### Apollo BBS Archive - July 17 - 18, 1991

    Mail from Todd Reese
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 02:15:43

    Hi Rod,

    Good to hear from you.  Things are going pretty good over here.  How's life
    with you?

    No, I don't think you are Jesus.  You do look like the standard looking
    Jesus, though.

    Have a good one.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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    1:Good hearing from you, Todd.  Are you in Hawaii playing football for Jesus,
    2:so to speak?
    3:
    4:I am going to do a post on Atheist Morals here shortly, I have the first two
    5:or three sentences worked out.  I think it will be a good explanation.
    6:
    7:Well, I am about to launch a "anti public prayer campaign" here on Apollo.
    8:Wish me luck.   The base of it is the new testament Bible verse that states
    9:not to be like the hypocrites and pray in the square for all to see but go
    10:into your closet in private and heavenly father knows what you want, etc.
    11:
    12:                                Take care and have a good time.
    13:                                        Rod

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 16:41:20

    Your video camera or regular camera?  I hope to be there, too.  I will be
    racing home on a motorcycle though, so we might be pretty tired.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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    1:Regular Camara.  A veggie product may keep the tiredness at bay.  Rod
    2:
    3:P.S.  Tell Dog that I am not skeptical about sending my dues.  They will be
    4:forthcoming.

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    Message: 7611
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Vote
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 00:07:22

      Actually the vote was biased against libertarians in that it did not offer
    a "None of the Above" choice, which is why I did not vote.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7612
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Libs.
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:18:43

    How would one know whether the Libertarian party "doesn't offer what the
    majority of the people want"??? How does one go about finding out about that
    party? It is not very well known considering it was on the ballot a few
    times. You have to search out information in book stores etc. to get any
    information and then there is really very little. Libertarians are like the
    other two - some are radical, some are consertivive. Unfortunately, if
    anything is published, it is always the radical that they listen to.

    You can bet your sweet Bippy that the Reps. and Dems. do not want a third
    party and do their best to keep the Libs down. Come on! You knew that!
                                *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7613
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod on Libs.
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:23:59

    Yes, they want to eliminate the I.R.S. - says it's illegal. It is!

    What people are so frightened of with the Libertarians - they want people to
    be more self sufficient instead of relying on the government so much! Heck,
    why should people want them in? it's more work. Also, money is involved!
                                *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7614
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann on Libs
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:02:28

            I want *PROOF* Ann....  What you say is hearsay and paranoia on the
    part of the libertarians.  I looked into the libertarian party.  Some of
    their ideals are fine...some are the pits.  Enough so that I was turned off!
    One of the biggest turn offs was them telling me 'not to vote'... how dare
    they tell me not to use my RIGHTs!  I will now work just as hard against the
    libertarians as I would the communist party.  One in the same to me, EVIL!

    Message: 7615
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Strange
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:18:12

      When libertarianism and communism appear to be the same thing to you, you
    must be standing outside reality.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7616
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Libertarians
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 10:34:27

    When did they tell you not to vote?

    Message: 7617
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 10:47:11

            They are the same in the fact they both promise fantastic things
    that CAN"T be done.  If it sounds to good to be true, then it can't be true.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 7618
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michael James
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 10:50:53

            In the last governors election...

            Since I saw a BIG difference between the two running contendors, I
    damn well used my rights and Voted.   That is when I decided to never
    support libertarians for anything.  They were more interested in numbers for
    themselves then local government for its citizens.  A self serving party!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 7619
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 13:40:50

      What actually happened is this: the Libertarian Party, not to be confused
    with all libertarians, was not allowed on the ballot in the election for
    governor and since many of the party's members consider the difference
    between Republican statists and Democratic statists to be almost negligible
    it was mentioned that anyone who did not support either party would be
    better off not casting a vote since that vote would only raise the
    threshold which a third party would have to cross to get ballot status in
    the future.
      I did try to organize a libertarian vigilante committee to visit
    prospective voters and force them to surrender their voting rights and stay
    away from the polls, but the effort ran out of steam just before we got to
    Cliff's house, our first stop.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.
    p.s.(now that Cliff has penetrated the{wilderness of opposite goals
       separating libertarianism from communism and determined that they are
    indeed the same thing, I suppose all communists and libertarians everywhere
    will have to be alerted by their cell leaders that he is out to get them and
    that they should respond appropriately. Long Live The Proletariat!)

    Message: 7620
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Smoke
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:58:29

    Re:  The fact that a joint may contain many of the same toxins as a tobacco
    cigarette does not in itself prove that it is as harmful

    I think that smoke, no matter what its source, would be detrimental to the
    body, if it were continually inhaled.

    Message: 7621
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 22:02:01

    Re:  I think that you would agree with me in stating that the two parties of
    government do not care so much for translating the will of the people into
    deed as they do for maintaining themselves in office.

    I can agree with that.

    Message: 7622
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff on libs
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 10:05:50

    The Libertarian party is EVIL? Arne't you being a tad fanatical there with
    that statement?

    Re: your ... "some of their ideals are fine ... some are the pits"...
    Well? Couldn't you say the same thing about the Republicans and Democrats?

    I think NOT voting is a fabulous idea and always did and I didn't get that
    from a Lib. In fact, I didn't know they believed in that. Voting for the
    lessor of two evils seems idiotic to me and I, at times use my American
    rights and not vote for them!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7623
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dean on Cliff
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 10:08:02

    Re: "him standing on the outside of reality ... isn't that the same as
    fanatical?"
    I can't believe, knowing Cliff that he didn't read, possiably a lot about
    the Libertarians - yet he totally acts as if he never read a thing but got
    his ideas from some supermarket rag!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7624
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 11:26:51

            By not voting you show no one nothing...  By not voting it is people
    like YOU who have helped ruin this nation...  By not voting you may really
    let evil take over...  I am sure the communists love people like yourself.
    And when you do not vote... you have given up your rights and that includes
    your right to BITCH!  If you don't like the people running get out and WORK
    for someone you want to run... or you may as well just shut up, as doing
    nothing is the stupidest excuse anyone could ever give and it's idiotic.

            It is always better if the LESSOR of two evils gets in then the
    Greater evil getting in.

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    Message: 4938
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:27:43

    Then BY GOD scratch it MY GOD! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    P.S BTW - a couple months ago Sandy bought over that pin that says "Rod is
    God" - finally. Said she had been carrying it around with her. That is on my
    bulletin board along with you Christian Deprogramming card! You'd be
    surprised at how many people that come over ask me what those things mean.

    Message: 4939
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 01:03:36

    Sandy was probably worshipping that button and didn't want to give it up.  I
    understand.  I have lots more buttons.  My favorite at the moment is "Smoke
    a joint for Jesus" but there are others.

    I visited Peter's store this evening and found out that a button I made was
    sold.  It was Dean's, "Don't Edit Reality for the Sake of Simplicity".  Way
    to go Dean, even if you don't remember it.

    You have really survived one hell of a trial by fire here on Apollo this
    past several years.  You are one strong lady.

                                            Rod

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    Message: 76737
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Nudity
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 00:11:08

      Having read the Library text file on the recent Supreme Court decision
    on nude dancing, I find that it seems to boil down to a few major points.
      The two main thrusts which the majority of the Court followed in deciding
    that the State of Indiana could, within the framework of the Constitution,
    prohibit nude dancing in bars were that nudity in the presence of strangers
    is an evil thing and that all manner of further evils are spawned by
    allowing this activity to take place.
      The First Amendment was brushed aside on the grounds that it was the
    dancer's nudity which was being prohibited, and that any expression was
    contained in the dance itself, which could still be performed if the
    minimum of clothing prescribed by the State of Indiana were worn.
      The Court's dissenters point out, quite validly I think, that the dance
    is an entirely different expression when done nude and that it is this
    altered expression, this kind of "speech", as it were, that is being
    prohibited.  It was noted that the law has not been applied to other nude
    performances, such as theatre, and that it is the difference in message, a
    component of speech, which is being suppressed here. If nudity in the
    presence of strangers was the true target of this law, its application
    would not have been limited to venues specifically presenting openly erotic
    performances.
      The only clearly valid reason for laws against public nudity is to
    protect those who would be offended from witnessing nudity against their
    will.  Applying such laws where the only spectators are willing adults goes
    beyond reason to enforce the moral notions of a group which is not even
    present against the victimless activities of those who are present.  This
    same kind of thinking stands behind the decision that it was permissible
    for the State of Georgia to outlaw homosexual acts even when committed
    privately in the participants' own homes.
      The Court majority's second conclusion, that the state has a duty to
    combat secondary effects of adult entertainment by prohibiting nude
    dancing, seems almost like grasping at straws. Claiming that prostitution,
    sexual assault, decaying neighborhoods, and general lawlessness arise in
    the presence of nude dancing establishments, this was given as good reason
    for prohibition. It was further stated that there was no need to show that
    these conditions would actually occur or had in the past in the same city.
      The dissenters again make better sense as they argue that there is no
    real evidence that these things result from nude dancing. If such problems
    do exist nearby, they could easily result from a concentration of men who
    are predisposed to indulge in such things. This could better be remedied by
    enforcing the laws against the crimes themselves and possibly by dispersing
    adult entertainment establishments around the city.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76739
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Roger
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 05:44:06

     He didn't leave, Annie. He just changed his name. Matter of fact, I sort of
    smell a conspiracy here.
     Roger "Hey Cliff, let's fool everybody here. I'll make some sort of lame
    crack to you, and you send me to the Zone. Then change my profile, $tatus
    and all, to the Green Lantern."
     Cliff "OK Roger. That sounds like a good idea. Nobody will EVER know it's
    you!"
     Too bad the leopard can't change it's spots, no matter what you call it.
    The flame has gone out in the lantern and the Mannerisms show through.

    Message: 76740
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/pleasing Jesus
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 05:49:24

     Well, for one thing, you're destroting your body, which is the temple of
    the Holy Spirit according to Scripture. I don't think that Jesus would be
    overjoyed about that.
     Did you see the latest statistics compiled by the Arizona Dept. of Health?
    Some 5600 people died as a direct result of smoking in Arizona in 1989, at a
    cost of some $750 million dollars. I don't have the figures in front of me,
    (they were in yesterday's paper), but I think that about 31 of them were
    infants whose mothers smoked during pregnancy, and a significant number were
    non-smokers who got theirs through second hand smoke.
    Interesting facts and figures, eh?

    Message: 76741
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Lantern/76721
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 05:52:33

    "I'm not a great-grandmother."
     Nope. He could never pass the physical.

    Message: 76742
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Beauty
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 07:18:52

    Yassuh.

    Message: 76743
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 07:22:23

    re:Mannerisms. Could you be more specific ? This Roger Mann sounds like a
    real nasty guy.

    Message: 76744
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on bird
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 07:54:40

    Daryl drove by and gave you the bird! Hahahahahahaha. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76745
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on destruct
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:04:38

    Whoa there fellow!  Where am I destroying my body? I have 4 or 5 drinks a
    week, eat a little fat and a smithering of sweets - lots of beef. So
    what? Moderation is my middle name. *>>> ANN O. <<<*
    P.S. I swim at least 3 times a day - mostly more.

    Message: 76746
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:05:42

    Yes Cliff. Where is Roger. You have been strangely silent on the subject. Is
    he still in the Zone rotting? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76747
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike on free
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 08:12:32

    I read that article about how the employees can and do fire people because
    of their lifestyles and their high insurance rates. It made my blood run
    cold to think where this could and probably will head. They will be so many
    on the welfare dole if this keeps up - half the people won't be able to get
    a job! We made a big mistake making insurance mandatory and not having some
    control of it.
    One thing that would change all of that is to let the people get their own
    insurance out of their own pay check - be responsible for themselves!!

    We know a guy that works for the railroad for over 24 years and is getting a
    fantastic salery - but they take out over $400 a month for insurance! This
    seems awfully high to me. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76748
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:04:48

            Roger was let out of the Zone after the weekend......

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76749
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paluxy River
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:34:12

    How predictable, Mike.  There are only a few creationists still promoting
    Paluxy River as evidence of human-dinosaur cohabitation.  This is not
    "opinion", though I suppose I shouldn't expect you to recognize a fact.

    Message: 76750
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Free Press?
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:39:07

    Mike, a free press doesn't mean that any citizen is free to force the press
    to publish his drivel.  It means that the press is free to print what it
    likes -- smears against those it opposes, and laudatory material against
    those it supports, for examples.

    If you really want to exercise your freedom of the press, start up a
    newspaper like Ev is doing (or join his staff?).  Or print handbills and
    distribute them.  Just don't expect a business to kowtow to your interests.

    Message: 76751
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 09:43:14

    I just got mail from him.

    Message: 76752
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 10:30:21

    If you eat lots of beef, you don't eat "a little" fat.

    I'd rather have everyone buy their own health insurance than have to be paid
    less because other people smoke, get fat, have children, have chronic health
    problems, or run to the doctor for every ache and pain.  Fortunately, I've
    been working as a subcontractor for the past couple years so I buy my own
    insurance from Blue Cross/Blue Shield at a very reasonable rate.

    Message: 76757
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: There always be an
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 13:04:03

    England. (Taken from the Computer-Risks Forum on the Internet:

    [NY Times via, at least, Henry Cate III, meo@dixie.com, and Mark Brader,
    SoftQuad, Inc., Toronto, utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com]
    According to a posting in rec.humor, the following story appeared in the
    New York Times in April 1972.
      COMPUTER SHOWERS A BRITON WITH GIFTS
    Eveahan, England. -- Joseph Begley saved 2,000 cigarette coupons and mailed
    them in to a British cigarette company in order to get a watch. WHen the
    watch didn't arrive he wrote and asked why.
    Back came three watches. Mr. Begley only wanted one so he mailed back the
    other two. The next day 10 parcels arrived from the cigarette company. The
    following day 18 parcels arrived. The day after that 10 more parcels came.
    All were trade-in gifts given by the cigarette company in exchange for
    coupons Mr. Begley never had. Among the gifts were three tape recorders, a
    doll, a golf bag, two electric blankets, a cot, saucepans, a pressure
    cooker, and long-playing records.
    Mr. Begley wrote a long, pleading letter to the company asking them to stop.
    In the return mail came a reply saying: "It was a computer error."
    The company gave Mr. Begley 10,000 coupons in compensation for his troubles.
    With these Mr. Begley ordered some tools and a bedspread.

    He received a plant stand and two stepladders.

    Message: 76758
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Russians
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 13:47:23

      I saw Vladimier (sic?) Posner on tv last night and he was supporting a
    more Yeltsin-like stand against Gorbachev's pleas for loans and in favor of
    investment instead. It's disgusting to see this long time lackey of
    totalitarian communism even being asked for an opinion today, but does it
    mean he knows something about the future when he spouts free-market talk?
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76759
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hello again
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 17:00:44

    Hello again!
    Well, at least I have no reason to complain that this is a dull place
    or that no one ever uses this board. I've been busy just trying to keep up
    with the various posts and get familiar with the board again:
    The last time I tried, a couple of years ago, I only had a 300 baud
    acoustic modem, and conversation flowed nearly faster than I could read it,
    let alone join in or reply to anyone!
    This time it only took a few days...
    There are several interesting posts I have noticed, and I hope to post a few
    replies and comments the next time I log on.

    Message: 76760
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Prohiboholics Anon.
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 20:00:43

      That decision was short-lived.  In 1919 the Supreme Court,
    led by Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, changed its
    mind by a 5-4 vote.  The court declared that indefinite
    maintenance for "mere addiction" was outside legitimate
    medical practice and that, consequently, prohibiting it did
    not constitute interference with a state's right to regulate
    physicians.  Second, because the person receiving the drugs
    for maintenance was not a bona fide patient but just a
    recipient of drugs, the transfer of narcotics defrauded the
    government of taxes required under the Harrison Act.
      During the 1920s and 1930s, the opiate problem, chiefly
    morphine and heroin, declined in the U.S., until much of the
    problem was confined to the periphery of society and the
    outcasts of urban areas.  There were exceptions: some health
    professionals and a few others of middle class or higher
    status continued to take opiates.
      America's international efforts continued.  After World
    War I, the British and U.S. governments proposed adding the
    Hague Convention to the Versailles Treaty.  As a result,
    ratifying the peace treaty meant ratifying the Hague
    Convention and enacting a domestic law controlling
    narcotics.  This incorporation led to the British Dangerous
    Drugs Act of 1920, an act often misattributed to a raging
    heroin epidemic in Britain.  In the 1940s some Americans
    argued that the British system provided heroin to addicts
    and, by not relying on law enforcement, had almost
    eradicated the opium problem.  In fact, Britain had no
    problem to begin with.  This argument serves as an
    interesting example of how the deperate need to solve the
    drug problem in the U.S. tends to create misperceptions of a
    foreign drug situation.
      The story of cocaine use in America is somewhat shorter
    than that of opium, but it follows a similar plot.  In 1884
    purified cocaine became commercially available in the U.S.
    At first the wholesale cost was very high--$5 to $10 a gram
    --but it soon fell to 25 cents a gram and remained there
    until the price inflation of World War I.  Problems with
    cocaine were evident almost from the beginning, buy popular
    opinion and the voices of leading medical experts depicted
    cocaine as a remarkable, harmless stimulant.
      William A. Hammond, one of America's most prominent
    neurologists, extolled cocaine in print and lectures.  By
    1887 Hammond was assuring audiences that cocaine was no more
    habit-forming than coffee or tea.  He also told them of the
    "cocaine wine" he had perfected with the help of a New York
    druggist: two grains of cocaine to a pint of wine.  Hammond
    claimed that this tonic was far more effective than the
    popular French coca wine, probably a reference to
    Vin Mariani, which he complained had only a half a grain of
    cocaine to the pint.
      Coca-Cola was also introduced in 1886 as a drink offering
    the advantages of coca but lacking the danger of alcohol.
    It amounted to a temperance coca beverage.  The cocaine was
    removed in 1900, a year before the city of Atlanta, Ga.,
    passed an ordinance (and a state statute the following year)
    prohibiting provision of any cocaine to a consumer without a
    prescription.
      Cocaine is one of the most powerful of the central nervous
    system euphoriants.  This fact underlay cocaine's quickly
    growing consumption and the ineffectiveness of the early
    warnings.  How could anything that made users to confident
    and happy be bad?  Within a year of cocaine's introduction,
    the Parke-Davis Company provided coca and cocaine in 15
    forms, including coca cigarettes, cocaine for injection and
    cocaine for sniffing.  Parke-Davis and at least one other
    company also offered consumers a handy cocaine kit.  (The
    Parke-Davis kit contained a hypodermic syringe.)  The firm
    proudly supplied a drug that, it announced, "can supply the
    place of food, make the coward brave, the silent eloquent
    and ... render the sufferer insensitive to pain."
      Cocaine spread rapidly throughout the nation.  In
    September 1886 a physician in Puyallup, Washington
    Territory, reported an adverse reaction to cocaine during an
    operation.  Eventually reports of overdoses and
    idiosyncratic reactions shifted to accounts of the social
    and behavioral effects of long-term cocaine use.  The ease
    with which experimenters became regular users and the
    increasing instances of cocaine being linked with violence
    and paranoia gradually took hold in popular and medical
    thought.
      In 1907 an attempt was made in New York State to shift the
    responsibility for cocaine's availability from the open
    market to medical control.  Assemblyman Alfred E. Smith,
    later the governor of New York and in 1928 the Democratic
    party's presidential candidate, sponsored such a bill.  The
    cost of cocaine on New York City's streets, as revealed by
    newspaper and police accounts after the law's enactment, was
    typically 25 cents a packet, or "deck."
      Although 25 cents may seem cheap, it was actually slightly
    higher than the average industrial wage at that time, which
    was about 20 cents an hour.  Packets, commonly glycine
    envelopes, usually contained one to two grains (65 to 130
    milligrams), or about a tenth of a gram.  The going rate was
    roughly ten times that of the wholesale price, a ratio not
    unlike recent cocaine street prices, although in the past
    few years the street price has actually been lower in real
    value than what it was in 1910.
      Several similar reports from the years before the
    Harrison Act of 1914 suggest that both the profit margin and
    the street price of cocaine were unaffected by the legal
    availability of cocaine from a physician.  Perhaps the
    formality of medical consultation and the growing antagonism
    among physicians and the public toward cocaine helped to
    sustain the illicit market.
      In 1910 William Howard Taft, then president of the U.S.,
    sent to Congress a report that cocaine posed the most
    serious drug problem America had ever faced.  Four years later
    President Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Harrison Act,
    which, in addition to its opiate provisions, permitted the
    sale of cocaine only through prescriptions.  It also forbade
    any trace of cocaine in patent remedies, the most severe
    restriction on any habit-forming drug to that date.
    (Opiates, including heroin, could still be present in small
    amounts in nonprescription remedies, such as cough
    medicines.)
      Although the press continued to reveal Hollywood scandals
    and underworld cocaine practices during the 1920s, cocaine
    use gradually declined as a societal problem.  The laws
    probably hastened the trend, and certainly the tremendous
    public fear reduced demand.  By 1930 the New York City
    Mayor's Committee on Drug Addiction was reporting that
    "during the last 20 years cocaine as an addiction has ceased
    to be a problem."
    (continued)

    Message: 76766
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 20:59:57

    Re:  You didn't comment on what Paul said. Will you interpret what YOU think
    he meant in those posts?

    I would have to end up with subjects like 1/10 etc. to get my point across.
    I think some of what he said was social of that age.  For example, women not
    speaking in church.  Did he mean that literally?  I think not.  I don't know
    of a single church that forbids women to speak (I know some must exist, but
    they probably rank with the snake handlers and such).  There's a lot in the
    Bible I don't understand, but there's a lot that's very clear.  I think that
    anyone who studies the Bible with a desire to know and apply God's word to
    their lives will understand what God intends for him to understand.  Those
    who read the Bible with a desire to tear down and find fault will understand
    nothing.  There seem to be quite a few of the latter here on Apollo.

    Message: 76767
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:01:55

    Re:  I WANT TO KEEP THE PHANTOM ZONE ON APOLLO

    I think Cliff has shown very good judgement in the past on who he puts in
    the Phantom Zone and for how long.  Keep up the good work Cliff!

    Message: 76768
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:03:27

    Is the "Green Lantern" a new member or an old member with a new name?

    Message: 76769
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:07:24

    Re:  Green Lantern? I wouldn't be surprised if Roger is already with us

    The thought had entered my mind.

    Message: 76770
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:18:39

    Re:  I read that article about how the employees can and do fire people
    because of their lifestyles and their high insurance rates.

    You mean the "employees" are firing their "employers?"  How unusual!

    Message: 76771
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Justice System
    Date: 07/17/91  Time: 21:34:37

    I have a few comments of my own to add to the
      discussion on prisons and sentencing. Since
     long, involved posts seem to be common here,
     and I have several interconnected ideas,
     here is another one. (Not as long as some.)
        Mandatory prison sentences were not only
    a public reaction to high crime rates, but also
    to a perception that sentences were too lenient
    to match the crimes or to serve as much of a
    deterrent. However---
        Mandatory sentencing is motivated by
    a philosphy that might be crudely expressed
    as "lock 'em up and throw away the key". As
    evidence shows, this treatment neither serves
    as a deterrent to crime, nor does it serve
    to rehabilitate criminals. The only obvious
    effect is to overload the prisons and distort
    the criminal justice system, as Apro Poet
    has so appro-poetly observed.

         A better idea would be to make better use
    of an ancient biblical idea: that of
    restitution. Rather than a prison sentence,
    crimes of theft should be punished by
    compelling the person convicted to restore
    the amount stolen plus a penalty. The
    amount and manner of repayment should be
    determined in the trial.
         Similarly, drug dealers should be
    compelled to pay for public drug
    rehabilitation programs. Goods siezed under
    RICO-like acts should be transferred to this
    fund. Similarly, perpetrators of violent
    crimes should be required to pay medical
    expenses resulting from their acts of
    violence.

        Those who commit murder for the purposes
    of getting financial gain or in order to
    cover up other criminal behavior are too much
    a danger to society to be permitted to go
    free. As their acts demonstrate a wanton
    disregard for human life, the death penalty
    is entirely appropriate. They should
    certainly not be housed, fed, clothed,
    given medical treatment and educated at
    public expense for prolonged periods,
    certainly not when there are growing
    numbers of homeless, working poor, and
    mentally ill people who cannot obtain
    these necessities by their own best efforts.
        In order to be an effective deterrent
     against crime, a punishment needs to
     be both swift and certain, or as nearly
     so as possible without sacrificing
     justice. The death penalty for anything is
     neither swift nor certain, not by any stretch
     of the imagination.

    Message: 76774
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: LAME JESUS STICKER
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 02:13:28

    A bumper sticker I recently saw:

    It pictured a dolphin leaping out of the water.  The caption read, "Jesus
    Gives Me Porpoise."

    Message: 76775
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Green thing
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 05:13:58

    "This Roger Mann sonds like a real nasty guy."
     You oughta know. Or better yet, ask your wife. She's had to live with you,
    poor lady.

    Message: 76776
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 05:17:42

     You know darn well I wasn't referring to your alcohol consumption, Annie! A
    little alcohol, in moderation and under control, never hurt anyone. It's
    only when the alcohol controls the drinker that the trouble begins.
     I was talking about your nicotine addiction. THose things are deadly in any
    amount. More proof positive of that coming to light almost daily.

    Message: 76777
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/Roger
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 05:21:13

    Annie! Roger Mann vowed just a couple of weeks ago, that, should he ever be
    put in the Phantom Zone that he wold never log on again, as Roger Mann. The
    day after he was put in the Zone, this "person" calling himself the Green
    Lantern appears, $tatus and all, displaying the very same sort of sarcastic
    garbage that made Mann famous.
     If you can't put 2 and 2 together and make that connection, well..........
     (Green things always remind me of some sort of slimy ooze, know what I
    mean?)

    Message: 76778
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix/Paul
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 05:30:43

     Paul's reference to women keeping silent in the church can be easily
    explained if one understands the customs of the day. In the temple of Paul's
    time, there was a curtain separating the sides of the temple, with the men
    sitting on one side and the women the other. If something was said that the
    women didn'T understand (they were kept in the dark on a lot of things back
    then), they would yell to their husbands over the curtain.
     It was this practice that Paul was speaking out against with his statement
    concerning women keeping silent in the church and asking their husbands when
    they got home. It helps, when reading ancient writings, to know the
    circumstances that prompted the words instead of merely taking the words at
    face value.

    Message: 76779
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix/Green thing
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 05:32:13

     It's just too obvious to question, Bob.

    Message: 76780
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 06:37:39

    >>Paul was a known homosexual....
    Are you kidding? if not, can you back that statement up?

    Message: 76781
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Women
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 06:47:08

    I disagree with you somewhat, Ann, on the idea that men and women have
    "different roles- only on a very basic level and that is childbirth".
    I don't think that justifies or excuses some of the treament that
    men have given to women, and still do, but many of the differences
    that femininsts have objected to have reasons for their existence.
    I have more to add, but it will take a couple of messages-- let's see
    if I can get it in 3 of them.

    Message: 76782
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Free press
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 07:00:08

    The R&G has a problem similar to what many other large corporations have.
    It has a virtual monopoly on newspapers in Phoenix. (Entry into
    the marketplace is difficult: you have to compete for advertisers
    and subscribers against well-established competition.)
    Newspapers don't even have the space to print all the news: they have to
    make decisions, and it is the editors and publisher who decise what to
    print. Of course, what they print will be influenced by a) their political
    or other philosphy. If yours doesn't agree with theirs, you are more likely
    to be edited out. b) What they percieve sells newspapers.
    Reporters on the newspaper get familiar with what the editor's judgment
    is or is likely to be: freelancers don't have that advantage.

    Message: 76783
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Welcome Back
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 07:10:48

    Well, just join in and enjoy the badinage.

    Message: 76784
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Problem?
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 07:17:27

    Paul, you seem to have a problem relating to "Roger Mann". Would you like to
    talk to me about it ?

    Message: 76785
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Green Lantern
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 07:18:41

    If you are accusing me of sarcastic garbage, I would like you to be more
    specific. Precisely what was I said that you consider to be sarcastic. And
    why ?

    Message: 76786
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bible Interpretation
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 08:49:01

    From Felix:
    > I think that anyone who studies the Bible with a desire to know
    > and apply God's word to their lives will understand what God
    > intends for him to understand.

    From Paul Savage:
    > It helps, when reading ancient writings, to know the
    > circumstances that prompted the words instead of merely taking
    > the words at face value.

    In other words it's okay to (in the words of that (apparently) great
    theologian Nilsson) "see what you wanna see and hear what you wanna hear,"
    ignoring whatever doesn't fit in.

    I think I'll ignore the parts against fornication.  Yeehaa!

    Message: 76787
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Thad-Crim Justice
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 08:49:37

    Your application of capitalist ideals to the criminal justice system is
    interesting.

    Are there not violent criminals who do not deserve death, yet should be kept
    separate from the rest of us?  What about them?

    Message: 76788
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael on insurance
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:32:14

    Being in business for ourselves, we don't have health insurance and it is
    totally amazing how much 'less' we pay than the insured! I'm talking
    sometimes 50%!! We don't run to the doctor at every ache either and we don't
    demand every test in the book. Dental work is cheaper without insurance
    also.

    The new great grandson in our life cost a whopping $10,000 altogether with
    insurance - because he had some problems and it really ran up the bill. But
    it shouldn't have been THAT much. He only stayed in the hospital one extra
    day. Nothing was life threatening. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76789
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cat on typo
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:35:56

    No. Employees are not firing their employers. Just a typo fellow.
                         *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76790
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on addiction
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:40:00

    But I don't  smoke dearie and I still don't believe all those statistics and
    never will. If they were complete, then maybe I would - such as ...
    "how many people smoke all their lives and DON'T die from it"???
                              *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76791
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on green
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:42:35

    Re: your .... " displaying the very same sort of sarcastic garbage that made
    Mann Famous."
    Hmmmm .... I wasn't aware that Roger put out garbage. I guess he is like
    beauty - it's in the eye of the heholder! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76792
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on Paul
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:49:47

    Oh I see! You can justify Paul because you know something we don't know
    cause you 'read ancient writings??!!! Come on Pauley, that is so far
    fetched. Over the years you have berated us for believing the Bible is
    contridictory - yet here in another breath your telling me I can't believe
    what I read and need something else. Of all the writers in the Bible, his is
    the most clear and precise. Even a beginner need not have an interpreter!

    What about that bit with him saying women are to be NEVER over men - having
    any authority!!??!! Do I need some ancient writings to inturpret that?
    BTW - just what is this supplement to the Bible? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76793
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thad on women
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 09:59:10

    Re: your .... " but many of the differences that feminists have objected to
    have reasons for their existence."

    ANYTHING that makes me less free because I am a woman have NO reason for
    existence!!!! I am a human first and have every right to the choices on this
    earth as any other human.

    "Would you care to elaborate on what the femininsts object to that they
    shouldn't??" *

                                 *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    * Said the spider to the fly! Heh heh.

    Message: 76794
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 11:02:00

     Re: Post # 76777  'slimy ooze'  ?????  This is not what we do on the PUBlic
    board Paul.  All this hate and name calling is not the Christian way.  Why
    are you so angry?  Please pull yourself together or I will have no choice
    but have you visit the Zone for a day or two, to cool down.  I do not really
    wish to do this.... but fair is fair.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76795
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 11:13:15

            But the statistics have been proven over and over again. Re: "How
    many people smoke all their lives and DON'T die from it?" Well Ann, how do
    you know they didn't die from it?  They may have lived longer had they not
    smoked.  Also, how many people did they kill by smoking all their lives?
    How many people did they make sick?

            On the news yesterday they stated it has been found in the state of
    Arizona, smoking is the BIGGEST preventable cause of DEATH.  That Smoking
    DIRECTLY caused one fifth of all deaths in this state last year.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- cough...gag...

    Message: 76796
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Hospital
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 12:41:02

    Costs. There was an excellent TV-movie about a month ago on the subject of
    keeping babies who are extremely pre-mature alive at ANY cost. The cost of
    these heroic efforts was in the area of a million dollars. My suspicion is
    that the good doctors in the hospital use these opportunities to climb
    aboard the gravy train and get extra fees for "just being there." My
    father-in-law who is 86 had to go to the hospital for a broken leg. We got
    bills from doctors we never even knew we had. Something is really wrong
    here.

    Message: 76797
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Oops, Bill,...
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 17:56:58

     That should be politics. Yes, there are violent criminals who should
    be kept apart from society, but who do not deserve death.
    Crimes of assault and battery, (perhaps including rape) would generally
    fall in that category. Manslaughter and the like might also be
    punishable by imprisonment: although given the existing prison
    system and its problems, there could be some improvements made.

    Message: 76798
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Feminism
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 18:00:16

    I intend to, but it may take a day or so to put my thoughts together.

    Message: 76799
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/nudity
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 01:14:14

    Man is the only animal who covers up, embarrassed or ashamed of their nude
    body.  All others, the pig, the horse, sheep, etc. don't seem to mind so
    much and I doubt they consider it lewd.  One could argue that these animals
    do not have minds like the human species of animal.  Then what defect does
    man have and how do we rid ourselves of it?

    Hell, I was born nude and so was everyone else.  What's the big deal?

    It is a problem with society and not with mother nature, it is how we humans
    were taught by our teachers to view nudity.  That is the evil, if evil is
    the right word.  Flaw may better serve the meaning.

    But considering how big a business sex is I doubt if many want to change.

    The human is just not very swift.  As Zappa said in a recent interview
    (Mondo 2000), "Stupidity is more abundant than hydrogen."

                                    Take care,
                                     Rod

    Message: 76800
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/destroying body
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 01:24:34

    We all are destroying our body.  This is what you call the holy temple.

    Have another cup of coffee then go out into the square and say a prayer.  I
    though you knew that praying in public was a definite no-no.  Not following
    the rules will not mess up your holy temple (body) but will mess up your
    afterlife pretty much.  Which is more important?

    Even prayer in school is forbidden according to the only true word of God
    set down on actual paper material for us to read.

    The next time you go to church you should remind the minister of God who is
    present to not pray in public but go instead into his closet.  God will know
    what he wants.  You do the same and for the sake of your spirit, don't pray
    openly.

    And further, every time you put on a pair of shoes you are hurting the holy
    temple, remember that.

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