### Apollo BBS Archive - July 8, 1990

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:43:13

    I've changed my mind again.  Make that a mango stand in Zimbabwe.  Colorful
    urchins shall scamper about.  No wait; how about a French restaurant (that
    is to say, a restaurant in France) which serves only Chicken McNuggets and
    snowpeas on Russian rye bread.  However, all the help will be incredibly
    snooty.
    bort, ontinue, nsty-reply or ap:Insty-reply

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     1:That was a good post on atheism that you wrote.  Perhaps Jeff L. will give
     2:up on turning to the Lard.
     3:
     4:And did you and I 'cream' John Collins (JC) or what?
     5:
     6:How about opening a 'scotch tape' store at Metro-Center?  It could be
     7:profitable, you know.  The store could stock scotch tape of every size
     8:available.  Xmas isn't too far away.
     9:
    10:Something to think about sometimes.

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:48:39

    bort, ew only, ead or kip:Read

    Just remember:

    You can't buy a thrill.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    Every cloud has a silver lining.
    There's no business like snow business.
    Crime doesn't pay.
    The meek shall inherit the Earth.
    Honesty is the best policy.
    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    A penny saved is a penny earned.
    Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.
    I may not go down in history, but I'll go down on your little sister.
    bort, ontinue, nsty-reply or ap:Insty-reply

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     1:A bird in the hand means you'd better wash them good.
     2:Birds of a feather flock together.
     3:One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.
     4:A penny saved is a penny earned.
     5:Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.
     6:Or should that be, Beware of GIFTS bearing greeks?
     7:Love thy Lard thy God above all others. (nobody else matters)
     8:A slip of the lip sinks ships.
     9:Tippiecanoe and Tyler too.
    10:54/40 or fight.
    11:Long live the South.
    12:Forget Hell!
    13:Long live the Queen.
    14:I regret I only have one life to give for my country.
    15:Don't fire till you see the whites of their eyes.
    16:The burning bush speaketh.
    17:Eenie meenie minie moe.
    18:Bush is an asshole.
    19:Reagan is an asshole
    20:Nixon is an asshole
    21:Planet Earth should have a 'flush' handle attached.

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    Message: 67263
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beck on Lochansy
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:02:04

    You have to excuse Jeff Beck for a moment and consider a few things
    about someone so vehemently against anyone who has anything to do
    with something he doesn't understand.
    As with most people who are anti-religious, their stero-type deluxe
    is a perfect model for ranting and raving, delusions, irrational thought
    amoung other things.
    Read their messages. It will give you a better understanding of yourself.
    You will come to understand why it took so long to realize there is
    a GOD and Christ isn't a fairy tale just by reading their messages.
    It's truly a learning experience.. many times I have seen myself in
    those messages and recognized the despise and irrational hatred within
    my own heart at things spiritual and true.

    There is a Rock. His name is Jesus Christ. All others are but motes
    of dust in the wind.

    It's far easier to lie and destroy than it is to tell the truth and
    construct.

    Gee, I wonder why?

    Message: 67264
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob Thornburg
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:11:40

    Thanks. I was hoping someone would see my jesting side to it all.

    Yoy made my day Buddy!

    Message: 67265
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/cosmic happening
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:53:08

    Today at 12:34 and 56 seconds it was/will be 7-8-90.

    The next time that sort of numerological convergence occurs is in the year
    2090.

    I plan to open a Door for the Old Ones.  The stars are right, the Watcher
    has returned, and Miskatonic University has recently suffered a rather
    selective theft from their library collection.

    Message: 67266
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 01:58:09

    No, you trifling fool, I have NEVER held that life in and of itself is
    something to be sanctified.

    Message: 67267
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: G.K. Chesterton
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 02:17:40

    I'm rather dissapointed with his anti-semetic remarks.  He seemed quite
    above that -- I saw nothing of that sort in three of his books -- then quite
    suddenly, in Four Faultless Felons, you couldn't escape it; there was some
    nasty stereotype in every story.  I finally broke down and bought The
    Complete Father Brown.  I have come across similar things in it, but not to
    the same degree.  I realize that the attitude was somewhat endemic to the
    times, but really; are we to assume that fair treatment and living with
    one's eyes open are matters of fashion?
    I must also say that his Father Brown stories are somewhat lacking.  One of
    the most encouraging remarks made by one of his detective characters (in
    another book) was the absurdity of the deductions worked by fictional
    detectives; that the facts could be explained by any number of theories, not
    merely the one the detective had in mind.  And yet, in one F.B. story, the
    priest somehow manages to deduce -- merely from the sound of an individual's
    footsteps -- that he is "a gentleman of Western Europe who has never worked
    a day in his life."  Rather more like a parody of the detective genre, and
    yet we are intended to take such deductions seriously.

    Message: 67268
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Miskatonic U.
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 07:58:24

    What theft?  Were you being silly, or was there a theft of books?  Which
    ones?  Where did you learn this?

    Message: 67269
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: 150,000 th caller
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 11:19:05

            Mr Burkett was Apollo's 150,000 th caller on our 8th year birthday
    month.  This happened today (7/8/90) at 08:34:32 AM on his 1,403 rd log on.

            Note: Sandy and I do NOT count as callers since we are Sysops.

                                    Thanks!

                                            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*
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    Message: 67270
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 12:50:22

    Today in the Republic (Sunday) in the second section there is Ed Montini's
    column dealing with Ronnie Barlow.  Ed complains that the 'gun people' did
    not make any effort to help Ronnie and then he goes on to tell the story
    from his vantage point.

    I think you should give Ed a call and let him know what you and the others
    are doing in the matter.

    Well, read the story and act.

    Message: 67271
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: My questions
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 13:00:28

    My questions from yesterdays post that deal with eternity and people of
    religion were asked in sincerity.

    If someone could actually answer, instead of mock, one of these questions
    then I think the entire board would be that much wiser.

    A deep seated belief expressed by many who cannot or will not answer a
    direct question leaves me with the feeling that their beliefs came from peer
    pressure.

    There are many a brainwashed individual in this world in all sorts of
    matters including religion.  The atheists I have met are questioning people
    with open minds.  There is no atheist churchs in existence although Madelyn
    O'Hair may want to start one.

    I would suppose, from evidence gathered, that in order to be a member of a
    religion that questioning is taboo.

    If my questions seem to bother some then please, by all means, take them to
    your religion leaders and pose them for me.  You may not be liked afterwards
    but answers are important.

    Just say to your pastor that some hell-bound, atheist, pinko, scum gave them
    to you and that should get you off the hook.        Thanks,  -Rod :)

    Message: 67272
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Religion
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 14:26:18

    Well I don't know what is going to happen after I die, if I would, and I
    could prove it, I'd propably be rich.
    Again, I am not at the moment a practicing Christian, I do however believe
    in Christ's message of love. You always have to remember, the bible wether
    old or new testament, were written by men. There have to be descrepencies
    somewere. But I do believe in a higher being, I cannot give that being a
    name, because It has ahd so many during the course of human history.
    All I can say is, What is a little wasted time *COMMUNICATING* With this
    being? I would have wasted this precious time somewere else. The only reason
    I still haven't made up my mind about christ is because of my partial Jewish
    background. That the reason I knid of look forward to some biblestudy, to
    learn more about something I don't understand. All I can say is this:
    since I have started believing in god or jehowa or budda or allaa or what
    ever his name is, I fell better about myself and the life I'm living.
    This very basic belief has helped me, bottom line.
    Now if somebody can show me something better, or a better way to fell good
    about myself, please do, and I'll try to LEARN more about it.
          THE MAD MAX

    Message: 67273
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod W.
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 15:23:18

            You say "If someone could actually answer, instead of mock...."

    Then you go on in that very same post 'mocking' us Christians by insinuating
    only the atheists you have met, are open minded.   Rod, you always 'mock' us
    Christians...  so why should we bother answering your questions?

            Get a life...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67274
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: New Vote?
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 15:25:28

            To many of you $tatus Users are not oting on the newest poll.
    There must be others out there that care what goes on in this Valley?
    I will post the question here, and just maybe you will go to the ain menu
    and ote your choice.   PLEASE!!!

       07/05/90                Tax support of baseball?

    Just how bad do you want a National Baseball League for Maricopa County?

     I am for a quarter-cent sales tax to finance a stadium.
     I am against sales tax to finance a stadium.
     I don't care.

    Poll results to date:
     2     14    3

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    Message: 67275
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod W.
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 16:17:59

    Ditto what Cliff said.

    If you were ever sincere about asking questions concerning religion
    it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

    You're just drawing more staw men to extrude pleasure from
    mockery of others differing beliefs.

    Message: 67276
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beck on Chesterton
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 16:58:42

            I think the Father Brown stories ARE to be taken very lightly, as
    "entertainments" not as serious exercises in deduction. As a matter of fact,
    many of them are parodies of other detective stories.
            The anti-semitism is indeed a matter of fashion, I think. We read it
    now and it jolts us. At the time, however, there was no negative reaction to
    it. And yes, I think we are often creatures of fashion. See how we now look
    at homosexuals, divorse, abortion, cohabitation without marriage, etc. And
    see how we now view war, compared to a century past.    --John C.--

    Message: 67277
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/religion
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 17:10:08

            Oh, hell yes, I'll rise to that bait. But the key thin is going to
    be simply the question of the existence of God. If you can father a child,
    smell a flower, enjoy a sunset without suspecting a creator, then we are a
    long way away.
            But try this as one of a dozen or so proofs of God. It is a fact
    that movement without plan results in chaos. (A thousand monkeys on a
    thousand typewriters might preoduce Hamlet, but if they keep on typing,
    they'll produce gibberish, unplanned. A lage box of crystal goblets if
    shaken up MIGHT make a model of the Taj Mahal, but the next shake produces a
    mess, because no plan.) But the world we apprehend shows development from
    the less to the more involved. If you don't accept evolution, then a
    different proof comes up--matterial existence-- but if you accept evolution,
    it appears that we evolved by a plan. Plan requires a Planner, effect
    requires a cause, back to the Uncaused Cause. Please dispute this, if you
    will, but don't just ignore it: it is a good valid proof.   --John C.--

    Message: 67278
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Baseball vote
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 17:11:52

            How many times do we get to vote?

    Message: 67279
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/Christ
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 17:38:12

    According to Christianity, Jeff, you as a non-believer in Jesus the Christ
    will burn for all eternity in the fires of hell.

    What type of religion is that?  One that would exclude some from eternal
    happiness over some really petty issue.

    This belief that the mainstream Christian has should tell you everything you
    need to know about them.

    That is exactly why I say that they DO NOT nor CAN NOT have opened minds as
    long as they hold such a ridiculous belief.

    Can you understand this simply concept, Jeff L.?

                                            Rod

    Message: 67280
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JC/movement w/o plan
    Date: 07/08/90  Time: 17:46:33

    There is no particular plan in the way the stars and planets move.  It is
    simply mass in motion on a ever changing continuum.  Galaxies pass away, run
    their course and in them new galaxies are born.

    If you think or even suspect that the human animal is intelligent then think
    again.  If you are offering proof that animals were created, period, plus in
    the image of the creator then I ask from what science book do you get your
    information.

    If it weren't for science then take a guess of the belief system that would
    be in effect this very day.  Need you guess?

    For one, I would be dead, having been put to death for views other than
    okayed by the church.

    You message, stating that monkeys cannot write a song or items assembling
    themselves in usable order on their very own is non-sense.

    I will re-read that post of yours and give you a answer next log on.

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     1:Comparing the scientific method to that of the religious method is like
     2:comparing astromony to astrology.  The former is based upon what we have
     3:learned from experience and the latter is that which some would like to
     4:believe but all scientific fact is against it.
     5:
     6:Sure, it would be nice to live a life anywhere from 1 second to 120 years
     7:and then, after having believed in some dope, get to go to la-la land for
     8:all of eternity while all of your enemies have to be punished for ever more.
     9:
    10:If this is what you choose to belive then obviously you cannot yet
    11:understand simple things.  Perhaps someday you will as it is certainally
    12:possible and not to be ruled out.
    13:
    14:Think about what you believe in for once in your life and stop making those
    15:ridiculous statements, John.  Grow up.
    16:
    17:                                        Rod
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