### Apollo BBS Archive - June 2 - 4, 1991

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command

    Message: 7451
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike/last few
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 05:32:29

    Even if nobody ever tries any of those ideas, they made for some great
    reading!

    Message: 7452
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Entertainment
    Subject: One last idea..
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 22:23:55

    A few years back a very good friend of mine worked for Toledo scale
    and measrement corp. He worked in the R&D lab for a spell and told me
    this beauty about some kind of new digital weight scales.
    It seems like everyting with the new Toledo digital scale was doing
    fine. About 6 months into shipping, a couple of meat counters at some
    grocery stores started complaining that their scales "stunk" to high
    heavens and they had to be continually adjusting the accuracy adj.
    What they found was really quite disgusting. Inside the scales were
    thousands of dead and dying cockroaches. Like a compost heap of roaches
    all piled up around the strain guage wires...causing the continual
    adjustment to be made as more roaches piled in. It (the smell) was so
    powerful it made several of the engineers sick on the spot. Hundreds and
    hundreds of smaller baby roaches were being bred from within.
    After some diagnosing and messing around..they found out why the roaches
    liked the weight scales. The strain guage wires were hooked into a
    piezeo-electric element which in turn was connected into the circuitry.
    The piezeo (sp) effect is simple; pressure (X) = voltage (y) and is
    proportional if the piezeo crystal is cut just right. Anyway, the circuit
    used a L.O. (Local oscillator) which ran at a frequency that, after
    resonating through the strain guage wires, was just right to attract la
    cucaracha. I have the frequency written down in my notes and I have never
    gotten around to verifying his story. He claims that soon after that, they
    made minature versions running on a 9v-cell...they called them
    "ROACH GRENADES" and tossed them in their friends' kitchen cupboards.

    Message: 7453
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Entertainment
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 08:11:30

    OK, I've forwarded everyone's suggestions to my housemate.  I like the idea
    of the jammer because I'm sure his outside TV doesn't have cable.  I could
    set that up with a lamp timer to turn on at 10:30PM (after Cheers) and hope
    that it interferes with his reception enough to persuade him to entertain
    himself some other way--like beating up his wife or spending ANOTHER couple
    hours a day meticulously taking care of his lawn.

    (Did I mention that this guy is a school teacher?)

    Message: 7454
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 16:05:32

    Re:  Go through his trash a couple times.

    I'm glad you're my friend and not my enemy. :-)

    You chose Chit-Chat
    Subject:Roach Go-Away

     1:Okay Mike, make a counter frequency that scares the hell out of
     2:roaches....but then, think of the consequences.  No more roaches.
     3:
     4:This leaves toe jam, ear wax and other droppings, inclding food (this stuff
     5:is food to some life forms.) for something to pick up because  there isn't a
     6:vacuum cleaner in the world that gets everything.
     7:
     8:But roaches in a meat department scale is really gross.  Interesting story.
     9:
    10:                               Rod
    The message is 7455

    Zak's FILm & Video Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1617
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: Un otra GT
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 12:34:16

    Ok, since Dean already got a babysitter and I there are plenty of movies to
    go see, those who are interested can meet at Metro Village for the 7:30 show
    of _Backdraft_.  Metro Village is on 31st Ave just south of Peoria.  If you
    turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it.  There's a Wendy's and China Gate
    nearby.
    The _Citizen Kane_ GT is still on for next weekend.  Round up your pals and
    come on over!

    Message: 1618
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: _Backdraft_
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 22:32:26

    Well, despite all the minor flaws that every so often disrupted my
    suspension of disbelief, I really enjoyed this movie.  The cinematography is
    excellent and Ron Howard did some great things with this movie regarding
    direction.  The fine supporting actors didn't get any great lines in (partly
    because they were on for such a brief period of time) and the sex scenes are
    pretty petty, mild and contrived.  The action during the fires, and indeed
    the fire itself is the real star here.  Kudos to the special effects.  For
    some firefighters opinions on the accuracy of the film, check out the June
    2, 1991 Sunday AZ Republic, Section A.

    Message: 1619
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 08:13:55

    As Nick pointed out to me, Cafe Casino has been closed for about a year.

    I'm hungry.

    Message: 1620
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: BACKDRAFT
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 00:38:36

         When is the Backdraft GT?  I'll be there!

    Message: 1621
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael on closure
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:46:12

    I am sorry to hear that I was right about it being closed. Everytime I went
    there, I ordered the french onion soup, spinish salad and the little dessert
    custard cups - then bring home a bunch of goodies from the bakery. Yum!
    I think the nearest French restaurant is in Scottsdale. I do a smattering of
    my own - I make the onion soup and spinich salad - plus the custard. Have a
    French cook book! *>>> ANN O. <<<* Oh gads, I'm hungrey!

    Message: 1622
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann on French soup
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 09:15:41

            That's great Ann... After we meet on the corner of Camelback and
    24th street (7:09 PM sharp) for the movie, we all can go over to Ann's for
    French onion soup!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 1623
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: French Onion Soup
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:10:50

    I had that the last time I went there.  I was there on Mother's Day, about 2
    years ago.  I had just gotten all 4 wisdom teeth pulled two days before and
    my face was still swollen and I couldn't eat anything hard.  We went there
    after watching _Larwence of Arabia_, the only good thing about that whole
    weekend.

    Message: 1624
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: Peter on Back
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:17:11

    Sorry!  I even tried calling you at home and no one answered.  No machine
    either.
    But, hey!  Mark your calendar for this Sunday.  Meet at Cine Capri at 6:45
    for the 7:10 showing of _Citizen Kane_.

    Message: 1625
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Review
    Subject: Quick Change
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:32:37

        I thought it was quite well done. For the first forty-five minutes or
    so, you figure that there is nothing that could possibly foil such a perfect
    robbery.  But then...

    Message: 1626
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: CITIZEN KANE
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 23:26:39

         I'll only attend if it has been colorized.

    Public Bulletin Board command

    Message: 75493
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steve/confusion
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 05:24:59

    Oh no. You've got it all wrong, Steve. Ann's not confused. It's just the
    rest of the world that's confused. Including all those people who just think
    that they are experts in such things as language, etc. Including the good
    folks who write, edit and publish such things as those silly dictionaries
    and things like that. None of them know what they are talking about. Just
    Ann. If you don't believe that, just ask her.
     In other words, Steve, her head is made up, so don't try to confuse her
    with facts.

    Message: 75494
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Apollo $ Grant 1/2
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 09:39:05

    During 1990, I was fortunate enough to be Apollo's 150,000th caller.  As a
    result of that serendipitous achievement, I was awarded special Blue $tatus.
    That's lifetime $tatus with no renewal fees, ever.  In my case that's
    proven so far to be a value of nearly $12.00!

    I really do enjoy Apollo.  I log onto several BBSes each week, plus BIX and
    Compu$erve (my monthly CI$ bill is usually around $50).  Apollo is the only
    one of these I try to log onto each and every day.  It's well worth $12 a
    year and I'd like to continue to provide that small bit of financial
    support.

    So, what Cliff and I worked out is the Bill Burkett Apollo Foundation.
    Using my Blue $tatus, I provide a grant each year of one year's regular
    $tatus to an active, participating, non-$tatus user of Apollo.  I, alone,
    choose who receives this grant each year.

    Message: 75495
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Apollo $ Grant 2/2
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 09:42:33

    There are only two restrictions on this grant:

         (1)  The grantee must log onto Apollo regularly.

         (2)  Messages posted by the grantee in the non-Cosmos
              areas of Apollo must meet general standards of civil
              discourse.  Generally speaking, this means merely
              conforming to the ules.  I am the sole judge of any
              violations of this standard, although the SysOps, may
              impose any other sanctions they feel are needed
              against the grantee.

    If either of these conditions is violated, $tatus will, at my sole
    discretion, be withdrawn and another non-$tatus user of the system will
    receive the remainder of that year's grant.  In any case, a new grantee will
    be announced each year on Apollo's birthday.

    My hope in offering this grant is that it will get others "hooked" on Apollo
    and, in some small way, help increase the subscribing membership.

    The second grantee will be announced on Apollo's upcoming birthday, July 31,
    1991.

    Message: 75496
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: _Backdraft_ GT
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 12:35:10

    Ok, since Dean already got a babysitter and I there are plenty of movies to
    go see, those who are interested can meet at Metro Village for the 7:30 show
    of _Backdraft_.  Metro Village is on 31st Ave just south of Peoria.  If you
    turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it.  There's a Wendy's and China Gate
    nearby.
    The _Citizen Kane_ GT is still on for next weekend.  Round up your pals and
    come on over!

    Message: 75497
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Gender Police
    Date: 06/02/91  Time: 19:58:01

    Muscular bodybuilders Bridget Morton, 20, and Lorie Sencer,
    28, sued the city of Costa Mesa, Calif., in November because
    police officers, believing they were men, stopped them as
    they were emerging from a women's restroom at a rock music
    concert.  Morton claimed she was forced to drop her pants to
    prove her gender.  Sencer said she tried to reason with the
    officers, saying, "Everything's cool.  We're women.  Look at
    our (clothed) breasts."

    Message: 75498
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa/directions
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 05:24:43

    "If you turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it."
     That is, of course, unless you are eastbound on Peoria, in which case a
    left turn at 31st Ave would have one heading north.
     Better to turn south on 31st. (smiling)

    Message: 75499
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on words
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 06:53:55

    Sorry dearly - I have a 6 inch think Webster's dictionary and I looked up
    Patience and suffering and they have totally different meanings. Now who do
    I believe - you or Webster

    All this nonesense is not the issue - I still say people will continue and
    have been interpreting the Bible as they want to  - have it come up with
    what they want it to say!! I am NOT the only person in the world that thinks
    this way either! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75500
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 07:49:52

    But to do that, you'd have to be coming from the West Side, and NO ONE lives
    over there!

    Message: 75502
    Author: $ Peter Cervelli
    Category: For sale
    Subject: A modem
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 11:25:25

    For Sale:

    One US Robotics Courier HST  (9600 baud, external)
    This is the modem for you.  Nearly new, with documentation.
    Price: $600 obo.

    Call Peter at 894-2725 between 10:00 AM and 10:00 PM

    Message: 75503
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 15:59:55

    Most of your post is just eyewash.  The bottom line is, it is against the
    law, and if a judge can't keep from breaking the law he has sworn to uphold,
    he shouldn't be a judge.

    So what does the system do?  They put him on a paid vacation until it gets
    sorted out.  I should be so lucky.

    Message: 75504
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Oily Residue
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 17:26:59

    From Arizona Republic, September 16, 1990:

    Big Oil fearful of backlash
    Becoming jittery over large profits

    By Thomas C. Hayes, The New York Times

      Fearful of public and congressional outcry over the large
    profits that many oil companies are likely to report for the
    fiscal quarter that ends in two weeks, industry executives
    are trying to find ways to hold down those profits.
      Their strategy takes two tacks.  One is to hold down the
    increases in the retail price of gasoline.
      That may be news to motorists who have seen gas prices
    rise an average of 23 cents a gallon since the Iraqi
    invasion of Kuwait last month.  However, oil-industry
    executives say a 36-cents-a-gallon increase would have been
    needed to offset the post-invasion increase in crude-oil
    prices, which have nearly doubled.
      The oil companies' second strategy for reducing profits is
    to increase the amount of money they set aside, or hold in
    reserve, for future environmental expenses, for refinery and
    chemical-plant maintenance programs, and for potential legal
    claims.  Such a step is commonplace in the industry and
    conforms with accounting standards.
      In trying to hold down profits, the oil industry is
    heeding the advice of the White House and senior Republicans
    in Congress.
      In a speech on Aug. 8, President Bush urged oil companies
    to show restraint in raising gasoline prices.  The next day,
    Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., the minority leader, sent a telegram
    to the chief executives of 11 major oil companies, warning
    that if gasoline-price increases were not checked, the
    outcry would be overwhelming.
      "I can assure you that it will be very difficult to stop
    legislation controlling the prices of petroleum products or
    taxing profits resulting from these increases should action
    not be taken by the oil industry," he said in the telegram.
      The industry is anxious to avoid a replay of the 1970s,
    when angry consumers and legislators pilloried Big Oil as
    oil prices and company profits soared.  A windfall-profit
    tax took several billion dollars away from oil companies
    before crude-oil prices plunged below $10 after 1985.
      Bryan Jacoboski, an analyst at Paine Webber, said oil
    executives suppose now that "the best way to avoid any
    windfall-profit tax is not to report any windfall profits."
    (to be continued)

    Message: 75506
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: My job
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 17:57:31

    Just finished my first day at my new job.  I still don't know what I'm going
    to be doing.

    Message: 75507
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Judge
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 23:12:48

    And they let the sucker go on vacation out of state to NY!  If this had been
    you or me, we would be on vacation alright.  Behind bars.  I think our
    system of justice sometimes SUCKS!  Who says crime doesn't pay????

    Message: 75508
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul S.
    Date: 06/03/91  Time: 23:56:20

            Thanks for your input (a few days ago)... I just may put myself back
    into the CHRistian SIG.   I think I have improved to some extent my ability
    to hold my tongue when riled by hostile foes.  Besides, I know how I feel
    inside about God, and I think he can see this even when the verbage spews
    forth.

            The more I read from the doubters and the atheists camp, the more I
    realize I don't want to fall into that garbage pit of un-happy people.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 75511
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/vocabulary
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:01:59

     As usual, sweetie, the shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the
    lack of depth of your vocabulary as well.
     Suffering and longsuffering are two entirely different words, with totally
    different meanings and connotations.
     You don't even need to look at Biblical translations to see the real
    definition of longsuffering. Go to a library, since I'm sure you don't have
    anything like it at home, and pick up a Greek-English dictionary. Look up
    the word or derivations of the word "makrothumia". That word in the Greek is
    translated as both longsuffering AND patient. They are synonomous!
    ("Synonomous" means that they mean the same thing, by the way.)
     I realize that, at you age, it's hard to learn new things, but you could at
    least TRY!

    Message: 75512
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael/7550
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:04:52

    Oh, there are a few of us. (who live over here on the west side).
    I tried to follow Melissa's directions, anad had a nice ride through that
    nice residential neighborhood north of Peoria. I was just trying to save
    someone who possibly doesn't have my marvellous sense of direction from
    becoming lost, don't ya see?

    Message: 75513
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:10:53

    "Man looks at the outward signs. THe Lord looks in the heart."
     He knows your heart, Cliff. Your faith is a very personal thing between God
    and yourself. Just as you are not to judge another, don't allow the
    judgement of others against you get in the way of what you know to be in
    your spirit. God bless. See you on the CHR.

    Message: 75514
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Crime
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:44:12

    Crime ? What crime ?

    Message: 75515
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Garbage Pit
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:47:56

    Huh ? Look --- if you want to believe IN something believe in it because you
    want to believe IN it --- not as a reaction against something. Sounds like
    you are thinking and that's good. Just make sure you understand why you
    believe.

    Message: 75516
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/insult
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:49:51

    Teacher ! Pauley made an insulting remark in the main board.
    >As usual, sweetie, the shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the
    >lack of depth of your vocabulary as well.

    Message: 75517
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on age
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:28:33

    What do you mean I can't learn new things at my age? If you don't shut your
    trap I'm going to hit you with my cane!!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75518
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/last
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:31:27

    Actually .... "The shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the lack
    of depth of your vocabulary as well" ..... is my middle name. It must be
    cause Pauley has called me that so many times! :) *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75519
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on paper
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:43:03

    Did you read in the paper this morning where the Presbyterian church feels
    they must reform - feel they are out of step? They are talking about
    sanctioning such things as ordaining homosexuals - sex outside of marriage -
    and doing away with the idea of the head of the household being the man -
    said it has caused "a massive, deep-seated crisis of sexuality"! Seems the
    church officials have been practicing a lot of this all along - especially
    the extra martial sex stuff. (ha) The church wants a "general
    liberalization"! What do you think of all of this? Isn't the Presbyterian
    church one of THE biggest - maybe second to the Catholics??? The reason I am
    pointing this out is - we have had many discussions about how the different
    religions change things to suit "their needs" - so then, how does one know
    he/she is hearing the Word of God??? They also take the Bible and do the
    same thing. It's like changing the Constitution ... makes you wonder if our
    Forefather's would agree with the City Fathers!!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75520
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger on G-Pit
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 09:20:20

            I am thinking Roger, and still have many questions.  But...I find
    the alternitive very repulsive and too hard to swallow.  How could anyone be
    happy without the love of God is beyond me....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 75521
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Presbyterians
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 13:20:19

    No, they are one of the smaller congos. They have around 3 million members.

    Message: 75522
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Apollo/God's love
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 13:23:02

    Here is a thought. It may be hard to live without the "love of God", but if
    God does not exist then the mature person learns to live without it.
    However, if you believe that God DOES exist and loves you, then you should
    believe that. That is what I meant by understanding why you believe.

    Message: 75523
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod / "Wake Up"
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:17:56

    "Wake up. Your words are hollow and are without meaning."

    Thank you for justifying the futility of expressing any diversity of opinion
    with you, Rod. The reason my words are, to you, "hollow and without meaning"
    is because you choose to make them so in your own mind.  I've noticed that
    whenever you can't seem to get a person to align themselves with your way of
    thinking, they become spouters of "the party line that leads to insanity."

    Ann, this is why I believe that Rod hasn't the slightest clue what the Bible
    is all about. God is not "pro-Mapplethorpe," not "pro-gay-love," and not
    "pro-abortion," so Rod's mind cannot comprehend it. And whatever Rod cannot
    comprehend becomes "the party line."

    Message: 75524
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann / Longsuffering
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:29:11

      Ann, all of us have to endure hardship in our defense of the things we
    believe in.  Anyone who is willing to compromise their beliefs in the face
    of resistance and pressure, to me, lacks vertebrae.  What is so wrong about
    that?  This, of course, does not mean that we go about seeking (or
    inflicting upon ourselves as the Midieval Catholic Church did) suffering in
    an attempt to justify ourselves.  A Christian's life is one of personal
    discipline, but it is also one of great joy.  You don't have to drink to
    excess or sleep around with anything under the sun to be happy.  Martin
    Luther was a man who implored the believer to find joy in everything he did,
    including his job. To him, the work of a humble shoemaker was not any less
    important than the preacher of the Word. (I have the exact quote posted on
    my cash register at work, and if I ever get bummed out or discouraged, I
    read it and think about it.)

    Message: 75525
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on Sex
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:52:28

          Ann, you are missing the meat of my message by complaining about one
    of the french fries.

          You make sex out to be the be-all/end-all to happiness.  Ann, DOGS can
    have SEX.  They do not care who they do it with or where.  And they do not
    care about the one they did it with after they've done it.  Now, if you want
    to adhere to the thinking that we are nothing more than animals, then so be
    it.  But the fact that humans can control their urges (something that dogs
    cannot do) must tell you something.  What can abstinence do to benefit a
    14-year-old with active hormones?  Well, for one thing it can help prevent
    him/her from becoming another AIDS victim.  It can prevent unwanted
    pregnancy and the potential murder of an unborn child.

         It can prevent the individual from making value judgments on the sexual
    performance of the one they finally decide to marry ("Gee, I love him, but
    he's not as good as Bill...She's nice and she loves me, but she's not as
    well built as Betty").  Amy Grant once said about her decision to remain a
    virgin until her marriage to musician Gary Chapman: "I didn't have to
    compare his moans to anyone else's."

         It allows the relationship to mature intellectually and romantically.
    It makes the final consummation of the marriage vow all that much more
    important because it becomes a true expression of loving and giving, and not
    just an orgasm.

    Message: 75526
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on Changes
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:53:56

          You never responded to my Biblical response to why the church should
    not endorse premarital sex, homosexuality and masturbation.

    Message: 75527
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on 75401
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:02:40

         Just because someone states that something is wrong is not going to
    keep you from doing it.  And Christ died for all sin (except the sin against
    the Holy Spirit (which is unbelief)). So the one that searches the hearts
    and minds knows those who are His. By their fruits they shall be known. And
    this is not to say that everyone that "goes to church" is going to make it.
    "Pew-warming" does not a Christian make.

    Message: 75528
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Beau on 75409
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:04:55

    What are you talkin' 'bout, boy?

    Message: 75529
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod on Eating
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:06:47

    So that's why you look like a weed?

    *grin*

    Message: 75530
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Longsuffering
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:19:49

    "Sorry Pauley, no way can 'Long suffering' be interpreted as patience! ...no
    way are they the same thing!"

    I'm sorry to burst your bubble Ann, but Paul is right.  The meaning of the
    word "long-suffering" as found in the King James (1611) Version ("Charity
    suffereth long, [and] is kind" 1 Corinthians 13:4) means ENDURING PATIENCE.
    "Christian love is patient and kind." (Anderson) "Love is patient, love is
    kind." (NIV)  "Love endures long [and] is patient and kind." (Amplified)
    "Love is patient. Love is kind." (Beck)  "Love is patient, love is kind."
    (NAS)

    Message: 75531
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger / "Easter"
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:25:13

    Roger, why then, does the Day of Resurrection ("Easter") and Holy Week
    always coincide with the Jewish week of Passover? Christ was crucified
    during the week of Passover, no?

    Certainly the eggs have their place as pagan symbols of fertility. But they
    also have meaning as a symbol of new life, which we have in Christ. It all
    depends on how you wish to look at it. I prefer to celebrate "Easter" by
    glorifying Christ.

    Message: 75532
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Dean / Xmas "Orgy"
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:32:52

    I agree with you there.

    Message: 75533
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Felix / SpillingSeed
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:35:42

    No, I believe it was a reference to 'coitus interruptus.'

    Message: 75534
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: More On Presbyterian
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:49:58

    (From THE SERVANT, Spring 1991)

    GODDESS WORSHIPPERS IN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

         A Tucson Presbyterian church hosted a women's spirituality conference
    last March to teach Christians how to worship "the goddess."
         Goddess worship is a central theme in neo-pagan and Wiccan religions.
    Among the sponsors were the Tucson Area Wiccan Network (TAWN), Arizona
    Student Pagans (ASP), Episcopal Women's Caucus, Women Take Back the Night,
    YWCA, Beauty Way Dianic Women's Circle and the Tucson Rape Crisis Center.
    Speakers included feminists, Wiccan priestesses from local witches covens
    and African and Native American shamans (witch doctors).
         About 200 women from various religions attended the conference.
    Rituals honoring the goddess and puberty rites for teenage girls were also
    performed at the church.  Men were not admitted to most of the sessions or
    rituals.
         The Presbyterian church's pastor, also a conference speaker, said she
    was not herself a witch, but that her spiritual journey has led her to
    discover the feminine aspect of God.  She believes the conference is in
    total harmony with Christian beliefs and that witchcraft should not be seen
    as a threat, but embraced by Christianity.

    Message: 75535
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Oily Residue
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 18:17:07

    'Universal Outrage'

      One warning of potential backlash came Thursday, when Sen.
    Kent Conrad, D-N.D., told Energy Secretary James Watkins,
    "There will be universal outrage" if reports of soaring oil
    profits appear.
      Watkins replied that antitrust officials in the Justice
    Department were the administration's first line of defense
    against profiteering.  He also said oil companies that
    engaged in the practice would be "hammered" by the
    administration.
      Nonetheless, profit increases of more than 40 percent over
    those reported in the comparable fiscal quarter last year
    seem certain for at least four major oil companies, and many
    others are expected to show profits of close to 20 percent,
    Wall Street securities analysts say.
      In general, oil companies that will profit the most are
    those that produce a great deal of crude oil and thus will
    benefit from the near-doubling of crude-oil prices.
      "It's a great time to be a producer of oil, but it's a bad
    time to be a retail seller of gasoline," Jacoboski said.
      Holding down prices at the gas pump also could help the
    larger oil companies in the future because smaller
    competitors might be squeezed out of gasoline retailing.

      The oil companies' strategy of building up reserves to pay
    for future expenses is not uncommon.
      "It's kind of a well-established tradition in the oil
    industry that any time your company realizes extraordinary
    earnings that you try to develop some extraordinary pocket to
    deeply hide those earnings," said Bernard J. Picchi, an
    analyst at Salomon Bros.

    (continued)

    Message: 75537
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl/ Easter
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 19:51:14

    There's two ways of looking at it. One of them is to recognize that the
    worship of "resurrection" is very old and Christianity is but one form of
    that worship. The other you know about.

    Message: 75538
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 20:28:44

    Re:  I just may put myself back into the CHRistian SIG.

    Do it now!

    Message: 75539
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger / Easter
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:36:14

      A Christian does not worship the act of resurrection.  A Christian
    worships the First and the Last, and the Living One, who was dead and now
    lives forever, and who holds the keys of Death and Hades.

    Message: 75540
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: News Today
    Subject: By The Way...
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:36:58

      I picked up that amber monitor from Cliff this evening, so whether you
    like it or not, you will be seeing more of me from now on. Muahahahaha!

    Message: 75541
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: THE PARTY LINE
    Date: 06/04/91  Time: 23:30:21

       There is more than one party to attend.

    Message: 75542
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 00:04:04

    First off, Daryl, I love you.  You are a brother, although off on an
    adventure.  I took a similar adventure in the past.  I too needed to (or
    wanted to) know to to to know? Know what I mean, too?  Three?

    As we learn we learn to learn things, don't we?  Okay.

    Perhaps you'll gain enough knowledge in your travels to understand what must
    be understood, common, everyday logic.  Si!

    Otay then.

    I like it when you post passages from your book of religion to me or Ann.  I
    also like your interpretation of said words.  Are they your own or some
    other?  A nixture of both?

    Perhaps with the intelligence you have shown here on Apollo in the past was
    pretty damn impressive.  I especially, always liked your poetry.

    Hey, how about doing some more, only with a religious theme.  I may even
    write one now that I think of it.

    Here's wishing you a road of success.      Rod

    Message: 75543
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 00:19:14

    Peter is right, you know.  There is more than one party.  Some charge
    admission, some don't.

    The universe is FREE, not 40% off is some sleazy bargain basement.  I don't
    see some very powerful, very intelligenct, white male deciding to make us as
    some sort of experiment or just doing it to give us life for whatever
    reason.  Perhaps though we could spend eternity as a "cloud potato".

    I see life as having come about somewhere in eternity.  "There is so much
    space, mass, and energy in the Universe that it'd almost be a miracle if it
    didn't come about."  After all, there is a forever and we happen t be a part
    of it.

    It can be a real drag sometime, spending a life at this stop-over while
    there is a great party going on in yonder space.  And the only "party line"
    there is, "having fun, dear?"

    But some of my critics think that I, Rod Williams will somehow spend all
    eternity being tortured, and, how, Ann, can anyone with a droplet of love in
    their bodies believe in this?

    Ann, I like your messages, to say the least.  You stand tall against your
    advarsaries.  Give em hell but don't make it a forever one.   -Rod

    Message: 75544
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:47:03

    > Longsuffering = patience.

    War is peace.

    Message: 75545
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: New Poem
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:48:29

                There once was a saviour from Nantucket,
                Who said, "you'll each kick the bucket.

                Choose Heaven or Hell,
                If you're buying, I'll sell.

                Come join me on a Love Junket."

                            R & P

    Message: 75546
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix Cat
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:57:11

    AS I AM TYPING THERE IS SOMEONE DYING FROM AN ALCOHOL RELATED EVENT.

    There has never been a documented death from the effects of hemp except if
    you lived 100 years ago and got caught for horse theft.

    If the judge was a man he would take the William F. Buckley stance and ask
    for legalization of marijuana.

    Marquardt is still receiving his pay because it is not what one knows.  It
    is who one knows.  He is in the favored class due to one reason or another
    but it seems he may have a few enemies.

    Does the "party line" ask to obey all laws no matter how ridiculous?
    Suffer now, play later?

    By the way, do you believe that Paul was really being totally rude to Ann in
    that one message of his?  Did he backslide a bit there or was I just
    imagining the entire thing?

    Message: 75547
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill/Grant
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:57:55

    I nominate Mary Richards for the free $tatus.

    Message: 75548
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro/oil profits
    Date: 06/05/91  Time: 02:05:33

    If the 'windfall' profits were marked for eliminating the fossil fuel
    vehicles and invested in solar and other forms of energy then I would
    actually feel good about the whole thing.  At least I'd feel better just
    knowing that some power actually cared.
                                    Rod

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