### Apollo BBS Archive - August 24, 1988

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    Message: 4060
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod Bias
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 10:56:40

            Glad to see your electronic signals .........
    Was this by pure chance or did someone tell you that Rod W-i-l-l-i-a-m-s was
    impersonating you?

    Message: 4061
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/desk
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 19:32:47

    What times are good for you? Saturday is busy this weekend, and I may be in
    Tucson on Sunday. Other than that, eves (Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday)
    are good. And that's the forecast for the next week.

    Message: 4062
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: THANG again!!
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 07:37:00

    I recieved another wonderful surprise this morning when I went out to get
    the paper! And this one is ticking! If anyone can give me information on who
    did this - or the first one - a $10 reward will be in your pocket! Check all
    your friend's fingernails for red paint again! Does anyone know if Zak is in
    town? Is James Hawley looking guilty lately? Let me know and that $10 will
    be yours. Frustrated - =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4063
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod W.
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 07:54:58

    Rod,

       But you didn't tell us about the other guy.  He was probably an Atheist.

    (LL)oyd Pulley
    *s

    Message: 4064
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ANN
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 10:59:47

    Zak is in Tucson, left last Saturday.

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     1:        I could use the money.  Ann, describe it to us.
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    Message: 982
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: rodbias
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 11:24:47

    Plane words are words that fly. "dumbo"

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    Message: 715
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: Software
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 22:56:00

            All the HARDWARE is gone... I am sorry BBS users did not take
    advantage of the specials... but there is some good ATARI ST software
    left...  Below cost...you can even make an offer.....

            Last few days of Gemini... will be gone at the end of the month.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S. We (I) will still be doing ATARI ST repair after the store closes...

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    Message: 1877
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 10:59:17

            Now see what you have done?

    Message: 1878
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/last
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 07:38:55

    Gads - I can start a religious was without even trying can't I? I'm innocent
    and pure! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1879
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Who did it?
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 07:46:07

    I have another red, gigantic Penis on my door step right now and THIS time I
    will find out for sure who did it and get even! It even has sound effects. I
    have not opened it yet for fear it will explode or something! Hmmm - perhaps
    I should - someone might be in there it's so big! That $10 reward is on to
    anyone giving me info on the culpret. I still suspect Zak or James - but it
    could be someone else. Any clues? HELP!!! In fact - I will give $10 to
    anyone that tells me who it is and another $10 to think up some plot to get
    even. This person/persons are not getting away with it this time! Come on
    gang - help me out. I would help any of you! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=
    P.S. This one is more sturdy - durable. It can become the masot of Apollo or
    at least the mascot of the Way Below normal sig!

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     1:        Sound effects?  Please explain.  I may not be able to tell you who
     2:did it but I may be able to tell you a way to get even.
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    Message: 53853
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: MR Savage
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 10:24:22

            Speaking of getting anyones head out of the sand... you had better
    look in the mirror...you won't see a head.   There are MORE working
    Americans than ever... fact is you can't read facts.
            Another fact is you don't even know what the issues are... what is
    your baby killers stand on water for the west... you have not the foggiest
    idea!!!!   What mess is the state of Mass. in, you could care less, you're
    more interested in B class movies.... get your head out of your .....
            Do you know what your MAN  thinks about communication with the
    arm forces.... He thinks that if there is none...there is less likely to be
    war!!!!  What a royal @SS hole....  He has backward brains....
    I am glad the intelligent outnumber the ignorant.   Now if so many people
    (most of them according to Paul) were out of work, WHY did Reagan win a
    second term by a landslide? Geesh! At least we live in a FREE country and
    can import and sell what we want... You would have us in chains, right
    Paul...

    Message: 53855
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: end results
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 11:50:13

    I have two very dear friends that started into bussiness
    under Reagen, AND THESE GOOD frinds are now uot of bussiness.
     WHY?   WHY?  Because the present rulers are not frindly
    to the poor working class that try to improve, and become as
    one of the Uppers.

    Message: 53856
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last on RULES
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 12:15:14

            Not entierly correct...  Bussinesses are always starting and
    closing.  My main gripes come from this Democratic local government we have
    here in this City... NOTHING from federal.  Put the blame where it belongs.
            Also...the climate gives good vibes, but EVERYONE jumps in and there
    just are not enough customers to go around...  How many computer stores can
    you have?  So what happens, cut rate prices to get people in because the
    supply is bigger than the demand.
            Have you knoticed how many little and big shopping centers there
    are,  Investors have gone CRAZY, and that does not happen in a depressed
    economy.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 53857
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 15:52:43

    Are you better off now than you were eight years ago?

    Message: 53858
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: trade deficit
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 20:00:30

    Would our resident economist please explain the meaninglessness of the
    "trade deficit" figures?  I'd do it myself, but I don't have the time.

    Message: 53859
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 20:57:26

    Jim is correct that the trade deficit figures are meaningless.  I'll come
    back to that; let me deal with your message point by point.
    You say "put more Americans out of decent paying jobs, and created the
    poorest climate for the working people of this coountry [sic] than has been
    experienced in years!"  You'll find that difficult to support.  Reagan has
    added 17 million new jobs (11 million in the last five years alone).  And as
    Bush said in his acceptance speech, these are good jobs with salaries
    averaging around $22,000 (I can't recall the exact figure).  Two-thirds of
    the jobs have gone to women.  Moreover, working people are no longer faced
    with interest rates over 20%, making buying a home or a car nearly
    impossible.  Nor are they faced with double-digit inflation, which steals
    from their pockets every moment by making their saving less valuable and
    cost of living higher.
    Now onto trade.  First, Japan's economy hasn't been that healthy in recent
    years, but never mind.  More important is whether we really are losing some
    sort of war with Japan and other countries which export to this country.
    I should note that better quality and less expensive imports are hardly a
    burden to Americans.  Moreover, it forces American companies to improve
    their efficiency, which helps consumers.  But a more fundamental question
    is, are the statistics accurate?  Are we a debtor nation, and do we really
    have a trade deficit?
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    Message: 53860
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: more
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 21:16:41

    First, the trade deficit.  It is a meaningless number, arrived at through a
    bunch of mumbo-jumbo that really has little relevance to inflows and
    outflows.  In 1986, we got some $20 billion more in income from our foreign
    investments than we payed to foreigners from their investments in the U.S.
    Are we consuming more than we produce?  In 1986, Total personal consumption
    plus government purchases of goods and services as a percentage of Gross
    National Product was 87.2%.  As a percentage of Net National Production,
    97.1% -- in other words, consumption was less than production.  I'm sure
    Jim, if he has time (or perhaps JT or B. Dog) could point out more flaws.
    The "debtor nation" statistic is even sillier.  Does owning your house mean
    someone owes something to you?  Of course not -- yet if a Japanese firm owns
    a building in LA, it is included in the liability side of the balance.  Even
    sillier, they are included at purchase price.  So a building in Tokyo owned
    by an American firm which was bought in 1960 for $1 million is put on the
    asset side, while that building in LA, bought in 1980 for $50 million, is
    put on the liability side.  Yet that Tokyo building could be sold for $200
    million now, while the LA building probably hasn't appreciated nearly as
    much.  There are other problems -- for instance, US gold reserves are still
    recorded at the old gold standard price of $42.22 and ounce, so the asset is
    listed as worth $11.06 billion.  Yet at today's prices, it is worth closer
    to $110 billion. The U.S. may be a debtor nation, and it may have a trade
    deficit.  But the silly statistics give us no insight into the issue.
    Moreover, the evidence suggests that foreign investment and selling of good
    imports helps America more than it hurts her.

    Message: 53861
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Demo mumbo-jumbo
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 22:18:33

    As David said previously, the 'trade deficit' just shows the country that
    people will buy whatever they (we) like. So what - maybe the American
    businesses and industries should at least take a look at the other countries
    where we are in a 'deficit', and see how they are working. We may not be
    able to pay the low salaries as some Third World nations, but I am sure that
    there is 'fat' in businesses, as in gov't, that could be cut to make the
    business run better and much more efficient. As for the investment by
    foreigners here, that just proves that the US economy is still a vibrant
    economy; one where foreigners can invest their money (as we can) and make
    money on it. If that wasn't the case, all the Japanese investors would have
    gone somewhere else to put their money. If we were to listen closely to the
    Democrats and believe them, it would sound like 1980 again - but it is not
    1980 again! And, there is nothing to worry about if all the foreign
    investors were to call in their American debts and demand payment - it would
    be much more costly to them to do that. Remember, we are essentially the
    Japanese defense (outside of their 'self-defense' forces). We have an
    aircraft carrier in Yokohama, several wings of Air Force fighter aircraft
    there, as well as Marines. If the 'debtor nation' bit were real, and all
    debts were called in by them, the Japanese would have to wake up and begin
    paying their 'fair' share for defense immediately. No America, no US
    military presence there for their benefit. We cannot return to isolationist
    times - the interdependent world economy will prohibit that.

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 53862
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The FAT?
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 22:49:28

            Cut or Gut the LABOR UNIONS!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 53863
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: Super Special AT
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 22:53:39

            Here is a buy for the last few remaining days of Gemini Computer
    Inc.
            A SANYO 990 AT computer (in the shipping box) for only $599.00
    This special if for BBS users....  You guys are special to me, you will
    never know how much.

            Yes, I said AT, not PC or XT...but AT!!!!!! for only $599.00
    (Does not include Monitor or monitor card)

            Still quite a bit of IBM software left... cost and BELOW...
    or make offer!!!!

    But hurry, end of the month is the end of Gemini.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 53864
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 00:26:55

    I loved it!

    You may not be just jesting, either, according to tonite's paper...I get so
    ticked off at these women who make a fortune telling on the men, be it fact
    or fantasy!  I am sure they got paid royally in the first place!

    Anyway...thanks for the laffs!

    Carol->

          p.s. I heard, confidentially, that Quayle used his family's influence
    to help him pass kindergarten...seems he spent too much time in the
    sandbox...and the cats were teed off!

    Message: 53865
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mr. Kolostow!
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 06:20:30

    "More Americans are working"....for so much less than the minimum necessary
    for survival that in most families it takes multiple incomes just to buy the
    necessities of life, never mind any of the luxuries.
    Why? So that the few who really run the show can continue to fatten their
    bank accounts at the expense of their employees! Thanks for this to the
    economy established by the union buster filthy rich man and his cronies.
    I notice that you areso much better off under Reaganomics that you are
    forced to close your store. What does it take to wake you up Clifford?

    Message: 53866
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 06:26:57

    When one considers that, in spite of statistics, which can be made to say
    anything the statistician wants them to say, the cost of living today has
    far outrun the increases in income, (and in my case the decrease due to
    retirement, I must say no, I am not better off than I was 8 years ago.
    I cana also find many still in the work force who can say the same thing.
     Seems to me that the only ones who are better off are those who "had it" in
    the firrst place, since those are the ones toward whom Reaganomics are
    aimed. (If I stated that poorly, you know what I mean anyway, I hope.)

    Message: 53867
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/Pat
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 06:36:08

     Good messages, both of you.
     Golly! You might make a Repulsivan out of me yet!
    I never knew we were so well off listening to the administration's
    statisticians!
    I just hope the tightrope doesn't get some sudden slack in it.

    Message: 53868
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: More on Paul
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 08:12:30

    Paul,

       You complain about our trade deficit, but take a look at the parking lots
    of companies that are union....full of Japanese cars.  You drive by a
    GM/Ford/Chrysler plant and you think you're in Japan.  My aunt is like you,
    an avid unionist (belongs to the bakers union in KC) but when she buys her
    pastery goods, she goes to stores that truck their stuff in from
    Nebraska...a non-union bakery state.  Why?  Because it's cheaper.

       And yes, more American's are working than ever before.  No longer are the
    unemployment and welfare lines 3 blocks long....like they were under
    Carter's administration (when you get old, your mind starts failing and you
    forget these things ).  True, more Americans are finding that they
    need two people in the family working....but at least there are jobs for
    those two people under Reagan.  And much of the reason for the two people
    working is due to us being spoiled.  What was fine for our parants, isn't
    good enough for us.  Instead of buying a 'starter' home, a young person has
    to buy a $100,000 home to begin with.  Instead of buying a 4-8 year old car,
    a young person has to buy a new car.

       I know my family is the same...we have two new cars (okay, a year old
    now) and a pickup truck, 4 color tv's, computers, etc.....when I was growing
    up, my family had two OLD cars and one b/w tv (and my parents were 'good'
    union people...like you).

    Message: 53869
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/#53838
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 08:20:55

    Cliff,

       What gets me about the people blasting Quayle (and have you noticed it's
    mostly the press that's blasting him, not the Democrats) is their dual
    standard.
       In one breath they say that there isn't anything wrong with joining the
    National Guard (they don't want to make the millions of National Guardsmen
    mad).....then in the next breath they blame Quayle for pulling strings to
    get into it.  They wouldn't complain if he'd pulled strings to get into the
    Army, Air Force, etc.  They can't have it both ways...either the National
    Guard is a reputable part of the Armed Forces and Quayle was in his rights
    to pull strings...or the National Guard isn't reputable.
       And the ones that are complaining about Quayles college grades don't tell
    us about Bush/Dukakis/Bentsen's college grades.

       I don't personally like Quayle for Bush's running mate....but not for the
    stupid reasons being thrown around.  I just don't think he has enough
    experience to be president.....and we have to assume anyone that is elected
    vice-president could/can be president at anytime.

    (LL)oyd  Pulley

    Message: 53870
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul/Store closing
    Date: 08/24/88  Time: 10:32:09

             I am not closing the store because of anything Reagan did.
     Maybe it's because there are too many people like you!!!
     Two people need to work, bull shit!  But if you want nice things in life
     like LLoyd spoke of, then go for it.  If prices are high, they were driven
     there by your boy "Jimmy Carter".
             I lasted 7 years under Reagan.  When I started, I was under
     financed.  The things that have hurt me have been ALL done by the local
     Phoenix Democratic controled Government.  Paul, it is you who are
     blind, where do you get off telling me why I am shutting down.  Who the
    hell
     made you my book keeper?  You think you're so worldly, but your head is
     stuck in the 40's and 50's.  Sort of like Rod who is stuck in the 60's.
             When I was running my Machine shop, I was directly hurt by Jimmy
     Carter!!!!  But I am sure you will tell me I am wrong.

             I asked this before Paul, but you did not answer? If SO MANY people
     are unemployed and making so little, why did Reagan win with a landslide
     last election?  Have you asked yourself why you are standing out there
     alone?  Thank GOD,<-- (a word Democrats are afraid of) there are more
     intelligent people than people with their heads in the sand)
             The good news Paul.... This will be my last post to you on the
     subject of Politics... Why?  It's a waste of time!  Unless of course you
     want to discuss some issues as Abortion or Water Rights.
           SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

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     1:        If my head is stuck in the sixties then your head is stuck up your
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    Message: 131
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Zak Drools
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 08:46:52

            Out of respect for Zak, I thought I would help keep his name alive
    by using his Category from time to time.
            I, in no way associate myself with the Christian image.  They are,
    in my opinion, a group of mindless sheep.
            On the other hand, to continue our discussion from the art Sig, I
    think the devil has more going for him.  If it weren't for Satan, places
    like the Bush company would not exist and you know, we all need to see
    exactly what the female anatomy looks like up close, right?
      If there were no devil this world would be full of do-good Christian
    twerps and movies such as the Last Temptation would have never been made.
    Everything in existance would be narrow and one sided.
            Ya know, I've often wondered myself about Jesus and his temptations,
    did he masturbate with his right hand, his left hand or because he was the
    son of God, was he ambidextrous and was a switch hitter, using both?
            Religion is one of the major things that has this world screwed up
    real bad.
            Aren't you glad you asked?
            * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod

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    Message: 132
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Mighty SYSOPs
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/23/88  Time: 11:01:46

            No.

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