### Apollo BBS Archive - May 5, 1991

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    Re: The $tatus user Handle debate      04/25/91

    All handles in use now will be allowed to remain regardless of how this
    [V]ote turns out. (if they wish so)

    [A] Handles should NOT be allowed on Apollo, only the user's real name.

    [B] Handles should be allowed on Apollo.

    [C] I have no opinion or I just don't care one way or the other.

    How do you vote [A-C] or [CR] to abort:B

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 11   [B] 17   [C] 2

    Message: 74885
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Brady Bill Drivl 2/3
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:24:17

            Secondly, the bill does require that the individual selling (or, in
    the language of the bill, "transferring") the handgun provide information
    about the person receiving the handgun to the "chief law enforcement
    officer" of the area.  However, it also very clearly states that (forgive
    the legal jargon here) if "seven days have elapsed from the date the
    transferee furnished the statement [telling the chief law enforcement
    officer of the proposed transfer of the handgun], and the transferor
    [seller] has not received information from the chief law enforcement officer
    that receipt or possession of the handgun by the transferee [buyer] would be
    in violation of Federal, State, or local law", the transfer can take place.
            In other words, the police chief (or sheriff, or whoever the chief
    law enforcement officer is) cannot simply sit on a transfer notice, thereby
    preventing an individual from buying a handgun.  If the person selling the
    gun (the transferor) doesn't hear back from the police in ten days, she can
    sell the gun to the transferee (the buyer).

    Message: 74886
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Brady Bill Drivl 3/3
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:24:41

            Now, this is still a bad law.  It further encroaches on our Second
    Amendment rights and allows the government (the federal government, at
    that!) to increase its meddling in what should be a private affair.
            But it does those who oppose the bill no good to spread false
    information about it!  This only puts them in the same class as the liars
    who support bills such as the Brady.  When BOTH sides of an issue such as
    this lie, it only serves to convince an already apathetic public that
    politics is, indeed, a dirty business and not worthy of our attention.
            And that hurts us all.

    Message: 74887
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul/74880
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:39:34

    Go back and read 74830.  That was a direct response, by you, to an article
    by Stuart Reges.  My comments followed, responding to you.

    Kinda shatters one's "belief", eh?

    Nobody is suggesting that you change your morals such that you become a
    practicing homosexual, just that you don't let your morals get in the way of
    the needs of others to do things in privacy which have no bearing on parties
    not participating.

    Message: 74888
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael #74868
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:23:06

    I understand that but why are the states so very different on the price?
                             *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74889
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger on politicos
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:25:40

    OK - so how do we "vote the S.O.B.'s out of office when the next group
    that's running is just as big as crooks, just as self-serving as the one's
    we want out??? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74890
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Doggy #74872
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:33:32

    I think you are a 100% right there Beau. We just are not going to win no
    matter what. Eons ago Pearl Buck, and author of fiction books based on fact
    about China had one of her peasants say in one of the books ... "Politicians
    are the enemy of the people and should be struck down by the people every
    now and then"! The peasant was not talking about striking them down at the
    polls - he meant physically! If you read Chinese history you will see that
    this has happened almost like clockwork at least once a century if not
    several times!
                           *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    P.S. Know where I can buy a good strong rope? Heh Heh

    Message: 74891
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Wild on drugs
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:46:35

    I won't disagree with your stand on not legalizing drugs because I am not at
    all 100% sure it would help a thing ... but when you said "when we are told
    that what we can and cannot do in our own homes is for our own good"...
    ... is fighting words there partner!!! I personally am sick to death of
    someone else telling me what is good for me and forcing me to comply. I
    cannot understand anyone that followings blindly like sheep - without a
    whimper when one of the little freedoms are taken away! I have a brain and I
    use it - for what's GOOD FOR ME! I do not need anymore protection. But
    what makes me so damned mad is - usually it isn't really protection that is
    the bottom line - money is! Our stupid, idiotic politicians, in order to get
    re-elected again, can't raise the taxes, so they pass yet another 'freedom
    loosing' law - such as the new seat belt and pool restrictions law so they
    can make criminals out of the people and that way, they collect anyway!! I
    don't have any idea what status your life is in - whether your working for
    someone ele or yourself or working at all - but I do know that the big they,
    the one's that decide what is 'good for us' is taking over everything and
    people like you are letting them all in the name of protection! You must be
    young and not know what has already been taken away. Sorry! I just don't
    agree with you Wild. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74892
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:50:40

    Your story about the terminally ill lady was so sad. How stupid we cannot
    grow a weed and use it for medical purposes. BUT - how stupid we can't grow
    that weed no matter what! I'll never understand why marijuana is lumped in
    with harder, dangerous drugs. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74893
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Wild on bedroom
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:54:04

    You think we should be policed in our homes er??/ Well, NEVER take a
    woman to your house and have sex with her if you are not married! It's
    against the law! Don't do it in the car either - whether your married to her
    of not. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74894
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on drugs
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:56:10

    50 cents is a lot easier to come by than $100 which the user may have to pay
    or more. I am not exactly up on what drugs cost today, but I'll be willing
    to bet it's not 50 cents for any of it! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74895
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on drugs
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 12:07:58

    You still miss the fact that there are drug users NOW and it is illegal!
    You say you were an alcoholic and still drank and drove - well, that too is
    legal and people still do it (drive) and would still do it if it were made
    illegal!!! PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP TAKING DRUGS NO MATTER WHAT!!
    Comprende? The people that allowed probition to be lifted knew they were
    fighting a losing battle and did so. If we legalize drugs, at least there
    would be some control. Right now, our only control is to bust um and fill
    our prisons up and it's costing us billions to fight the losing drug war!

    You have a perfect right to your opinions, but I just want to know what do
    you perpose about the subject? Or are you just going to shake your head at
    it and let it remain like it is because legalizing it goes against your
    moralistic views? Somethings got to be done sooner or later Pauley, so come
    on and solve it!

    You want to hear something funny? I think legalizing drugs is a 'last
    resort' thing - a 'desparate' effort to rid ourselves of the drug lords, the
    kids pushers, the dregs to our society as you put it. I just know in my
    heart the problem isn't going away and something 'desparate' is going to
    have to be done. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74896
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Public Law 101-583
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 17:59:31

    ...
    SEC. 2. REGULATIONS CONCERNING CERTAIN EMPLOYEES.

      Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this
    Act, the Secretary of Labor shall promulgate regulations
    that permit computer systems analysts, computer programmers,
    software engineers, and other similarly skilled professional
    workers as defined in such regulations to qualify as exempt
    executive, administrative, or professional employees under
    section 13(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938
    (29 U.S.C. 213(a)(1)).  Such regulations shall provide that
    if such employees are paid on an hourly basis they shall be
    exempt only if their hourly rate of pay is at least 6 1/2
    times greater than the applicable minimum wage rate under
    section 6 of such Act (29 U.S.C. 206).

    This federal labor law was to have taken effect Feb. 15, 1991.

    Message: 74897
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Spot The Loony!
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 18:06:54

      Great Britain's voters finally have gone loony.
      Stuart Hughes, leader of the Raving Loony Green Giant
    Party, received 865 votes Thursday to win a seat on the
    East Devon District Council in southwestern England.
      The victory is a first for Britain's loonies.  Another
    group, the Monster Raving Loony Party, has contested many
    elections at both local and national levels.
      That party, led by rock singer Screaming Lord Sutch, is
    considered by many to be the mainstream loony party in
    Britain.
      Sutch, 50, has run for Parliament 30 times on policies
    that have included solving Britain's financial problems by
    digging underground tunnels to Swiss bank vaults and making
    dogs eat luminous food so you can see their mess in the
    dark.

    (From today's Az. Rep.)

    Message: 74898
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: crock of bull
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 18:55:40

    was your reply....And what studies do YOU base your answer on???????  I see
    no names....But then again any statistical info can be made to fit any
    issue.  I for one do not see addiction as a sickness...It is people like you
    that want to call everthing a "sickness"  Drug use and possession is, as it
    should be, a CRIME. Period. And you are damned right I would not be a user
    of drugs.  I have not not and never will be.  My point about children using
    drugs was not based on emotion.  If we look at the problems as to why people
    turn to drug use and try to help those problems, we would go a loooong way
    in reducing drug use. What about all the inner city children, for example,
    that come from broken families, are probably abused, and don't have much of
    a future.  Those are the ones who will be addicted to drugs.  No matter if
    drugs are legal or not.  Help these and others who need the help.  And stop
    glamorizing drug use.  Quit sugar coating the effects of drug addiction.
    Make people wake up and realize what drugs do to them.  I say we can win the
    war on drugs.  Start by shooting down known drug smuggling planes.  I don't
    want to hear the crap about well, how do we know what plane is carrying
    drugs.  Our state of intel. gathering is fairly good.  Number 2, pay our law
    enforcement people what they are worth for doing their jobs. Three more
    education is needed.  No, drug legalization is not the answer you want it to
    be and never will it.

    Message: 74899
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: none of your busines
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 19:06:26

    but I will add another two cents.... In your small limited anything goes
    mind, I suppose you also say it is ok to abuse children?  To rape and murder
    them?  All in the name of PRIVACY? I never intended to "patrol the bedrooms
    of others". Nor do I, personally care to.  However, I will NEVER be
    convinced that Homosexuality has an legimate place in our society....Gays
    are the ones who are sick.  Laws in this country work for the good of the
    society, as a whole.  No one ever said it is perfect, but it is the best we
    have.  Have you ever lived in a communist country?  I have.  I lived in East
    Germany for 2 years while stationed in West Berlin in the Army.  Ever had to
    have a travel document to go from state to state?  In communist countries
    you sure do.  Ever stand in line for food and then not have any?  I think
    you know the answer to this one too.
     No, I am not willing to give up my right to privacy.  Far from it. But I
    also realize the need for a society to have laws so that bad things that we
    do to other humans is minimized.  You don't really know how good we really
    have it in this country.  WAKE UP.  And it will be a cold day in hell when I
    justify myself to you for using an allias.

    Message: 74900
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: You dumb so and so
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 19:14:47

    How in the hell can you disagree with such things as manditory fences around
    pools???????????  Do you care so little about our children?  Quit thinking
    of just yourself for a minute.  How blind are you?  I tell you what, if i
    had a small child and if it was at your house and you had an unprotected
    pool and that child fell in and drowned because of your neglect, you also
    would die, at my hands.  People like you are why we need laws.  I agree that
    the rich politicans get richer, but.... I think the biggest reason why we
    have so many problems in this country is that people just don't care.  And
    that is too bad, because we live in the greatest country in the world.

    Message: 74901
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: WILD B.
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 22:07:55

         I never said things are better in a communist country.  I think the US
    system is the best in the world, but why not make it better?  When there is
    a bad law, WE have the power to change it.  I think drug prohibition makes
    for a bad law.
         You said, "I also realize the need for a society to have laws so that
    bad things that we do to other humans in minimized." The key words there are
    "bad things that we do TO OTHER HUMANS."  Any activity I do in my own home
    can only affect ME adversely (or positively, depending on what I'm doing.)
         No one here is saying drug use should be mandatory, we're just saying
    people should have the freedom to choose for themselves.  Legalizing the
    stuff would pull out the carpet from under the billon dollar underground
    drug business.  Drug dosages could be standardized, the gov't could tax the
    stuff.  And the bottom line is, people could do what they chose in the
    privacy of their own home.
        I'll ignore your comments about abusing children.  Unless of course
    you'd like to tell me if you still beat your wife.
         As far as your alias goes, I have no problem.  I respect your right
    to privacy.

    Message: 74902
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: PAUL
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 22:17:44

         Again, I'll state that I'm all for DUI laws (whether it be alcohol or
    any other drug.)  Maybe DUI sentencing should be stricter.  But the fact
    remains that people do drive at times when their abilities are impaired.  It
    isn't going to change.
         However, I don't think you should be stopped from drinking at home.
    Even in excess. Of course I would hope you (using "you" in a general sense
    here) would find the strength to pull your act together, but wouldn't
    support a law making it mandatory for you to do so under the threat of
    severe punishment.

    Message: 74903
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Arf! Arf!
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:16:38

    In the country of Holland, marijuana is legal.  Its use has declined since
    legalization.  The more freedoms a human has the less likely he is to get
    snockered on a legal or illegal substance.

    The more an animal, any animal, is suppressed, locked up or made to feel
    'caged', the more will an escape be sought.

    Taxes are higher in Holland but the standard of living for the individual
    is better than in the United States.  What is money, after all?  Having
    lots of it does not make a person more free or feel better unless of course
    that person is living in an unfree society.  You know, pay by the minute.

    The working class pays with its peak energy and then is given in return
    some paper that was once part of a tree.  Numbers are on the paper and they
    represent wealth to the poor class.

    In a sick society people kill and maim for some of this paper because to
    them it represents a freedom of sorts.  A freedom that includes not to be
    at the beck and call of their collective 'bosses'.

    continued (1 of 5)

    Message: 74904
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: what's the name?
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:17:43

    We have been addicted to bad substances from birth.  Meat and dairy
    products are programmed into our memory locations under 'list of daily
    needs'.  And they are legal.  So is alcohol, Columbian coffee, and Virginia
    tobacco.  Chocolate comes from a brown bean of the coca plant and sugar
    comes from caine grown in Hawaii or Cuba.  They're all drugs and they all
    affect the user.

    A person driving an automobile after having a 16 oz. steak, Cherries
    Jubilee and three cups of coffee is undergoing rapid chemical changes
    within their bodies.  Changes that effect alertness.

    Perhaps an automobile that travels public roads should have a quick
    computer game(s) build-in so that the car's computer can check for
    functionability of the intended driver.  If you are not alert then the car
    won't start.  The computer will shut down for five minutes or phone a taxi
    for you.

    But when a person is in their home they can do whatever they believe.

    When indivudual rights are stripped then society changes for the worse.
    Depression knocks more often to the affected and some attempt to battle
    what they see as injustices while others mush out on an overabundance of
    substances that take the terrible pressure away for a time.
    -continued-

    Message: 74905
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Debate
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:18:25

    All because reality for the working class is looking forward to that
    paycheck in order to buy the necessities and pay for the unexpected.  A
    lifetime of struggle in order to survive.

    The most abused substance is cooked flesh with dairy products right in
    there among them.  There are currently no accurate figures which show how
    many individual deaths come about from them.  These would be know as 'early
    deaths' as these substances take 'years' as well as health from the
    Out of what is classified as a 'drug', marijuana has never been documented
    as the cause of a death.  Can we say the same about tobacco, alcohol or
    caffeine?  Alcohol consumption will be the primary cause of a violent death
    while I am now typing, somewhere on this planet.  Probably somewhere in the
    U.S.

    But when you sip alcohol you say, 'I know how to use it.  I don't abuse
    it.'  But when you become depressed at times you tend to 'overuse' it and
    you don't admit to yourself that it was drug abuse.  You feel you can handle
    the most violent of the drugs but deny all others the right to smoke a joint
    in order to relax instead of grabbing an alcoholic beverage and end up
    doing something regrettable.

    -continued-

    Message: 74906
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: drink this.
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:19:47

    Violence decreases and increases in a society depending on how equitable it
    is.  When personal freedoms are stomped on then the whip snaps and we see a
    wave of violence throughout the land.  On the other hand when society has
    honest representatives who are finding ways to improve hardships that exist
    then a sense of relief is felt by masses.  So far not much luck.

    More people die or are permanently disabled from the so-called legal drugs
    in a one year period than have died or disabled in all past history.  Don't
    overlook prescription medicine in your figuring.  Valium is the most
    prescribed drugs.  This tells us that a large percentage of our society are
    simply trying to cope with every day existence.  Valium as well as most
    'downers' originally came from plants that grew wild in nature.  And it is
    legal to drive an automobile on such substances.  Think of how many people
    are driving on a daily basis under the influence of prescribed drugs.

    It is not good to drive when not fully alert but we all do it anyway.
    There are many accidents in the world on a continual basis and the majority
    of those who's negligence caused them would test negative for illegal
    drugs.  It is difficult to take a drive in Phoenix without coming upon an
    accident or being nearly involved in one.

    It is easy to blame a rise in crime on illegal drug use but in reality the
    rise comes from the stresses and pressures that society heaps upon us all.
    -continued-

    Message: 74907
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: finished
    Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:21:40

    I think it would be more fair to say that capitalism causes crime.  At
    least the brand that is used in this country does.  The monopoly game was
    created long before we were born and everything is already owned, Baltic
    Avenue included.  All that remains is for us to be good little citizens and
    pay our taxes and landlord on time.

    You can have that cup of wine now.  Ah, life's never been so good.

                                            Rod

    P.S.  Whoever called Ann a dumb so and so should be taken to the twilight
    zone.   Nuf said!              Peace WH

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