### Apollo BBS Archive - July 6, 1987

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    Message: 1488
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 22:33:30

    You're onto me.  OK, I admit it, I do think of you as congenitally stupid.

    Message: 1489
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rae
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 22:34:59

    Well, why don't you tell us what she's up to, Rod?  Is she able to hold down
    a job for more than 30 minutes now?  Is she capable of an intelligent
    conversation yet?

    Message: 1490
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jt
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:32:44

    You really DO think that you
    are better than anyone here!
    Too good for us Ignorant people
    James?

    Message: 1491
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:35:37

    What KIND of car did Rae get
    for a scarcly $1200?
    There really is not a big
    selection there...

    Message: 1492
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 01:55:26

    It's not fair for you to accuse me of feeling superior.  After all, feeling
    superior to you is almost a foregone conclusion.

    Message: 1493
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:47:52

    Spoken like a true sociobiologist!

    Message: 1494
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod. . .
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 14:44:00

    I'm sure you meant ". . . ALMOST everyone."

    Dean

    Message: 1495
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 20:47:13

    James:

    What are you considering yourself intelligent IN  ?

    Intelligence as a collective summation of all knowledge and the ability
    to manipulate and exchange it?

    Or Intelligence as a result of a given talent(s) that have directed
    your learning energies into a range of fields, being as diverse as your
    interest?

    Normally, irrational behaviour (perhaps rational depending on your own
    objective viewpoint) can be awarded to you whenever someone reads a post
    by you that they feel either threatened by (for various reasons) or
    a post that degenerates 'them' as a collective 'group' .

    A side issue to this question is what exactly do the scholars of past
    and present attempt to define as intelligence?
    From putting geometrical shapes in place within a given time period to
    scoring a high percentile on a written exam...I wonder if anyone
    can be judged by the same measuring stick. It doesn't work in a lot
    of ways and does in others. Depends on the application. But with a world
    with so much diversity, how does one become JUDGE ?
                                      -Mike

    Message: 1496
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Carter
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:43:19

    When did I ever say I was intelligent?

    Message: 1497
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 01:24:31

    Gosh, you really truthfully think you are hot sh!t. Now come on James, tell
    us the truth. I never met ya, but this is probably the only place you can
    feel superior. Most computer geeks do! Real life is too hard for them to
    handle.

    *=* Late Night Bulletin Board entered *=*

    Message: 1069
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Wow!
    Date: 07/02/87  Time: 23:19:40

    Boy, I missed out on all these good messages, going to bed early.
    Traci told me she was going to be in Detroit, and be back the 2nd, which is
    today.  (Still, she hasn't logged in since the 10th! Sniff!)

    As far as the show categorization, it looks like fantasy to me.

     Well, G'night all.
    Dean

    Message: 1070
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 07/02/87  Time: 23:54:11

            Good night, Dean.

    Message: 1071
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Roger Waters
    Date: 07/03/87  Time: 00:31:35

    Billy: Goodnight, Jim.
    Jim: Goodnight, Billy.
    Uncle David's Great Dane: Woof, woof, woof!

    Message: 1072
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Just in case
    Date: 07/03/87  Time: 02:29:48

    Klaatu barada nikto.

    Message: 1073
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last. . .
    Date: 07/03/87  Time: 23:16:03

    I've heard that before, but I can't remember where!  Care to give us a clue?

    Dean

    Message: 1075
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Klaatu barada nikto
    Date: 07/04/87  Time: 01:34:24

    It is the national motto of Guinea-Bissau.  It means, "Glory to the giant
    coconut."

    Message: 1076
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/04/87  Time: 03:49:48

    Gort! Maringa!

    Message: 1077
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/87  Time: 18:45:25

    Good-a Grief-a!

    Message: 1078
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 07/04/87  Time: 23:05:40

    Ianuzzi, you fool, don't you think I know the difference between Bissau and
    Conakry?

    Message: 1079
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Lovely messages
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 00:35:53

    Lo Funga Lo Malei

    Message: 1080
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Uh...
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 01:44:29

    Small nodules of silicon, and similar expostulations.

    Message: 1081
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 03:40:18

    Oh no, I've fallen into the "last name" bunch.

    Message: 1082
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: I am here!
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:20:57

    I made it, finally.

    Message: 1083
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Leo
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 01:56:33

    There is no "last name" bunch.  Sometimes I'm in the mood to call people by
    their first names, and sometimes I'm in the mood to call people by their
    last names.

    Message: 1084
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:08:14

    But you doesn't have to call me O'Shaunessy.

    Message: 1085
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Moods
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 00:00:54

    Then James is in the Mood to be Right .......
    Then he is in the Mood to be Right .......
    Then he is in the Mood to be Right .......

    Message: 1086
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: stuff
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 01:02:58

    I would leave a wonderfully creative MESSage but unfortunately
    it is way past my bedtime.
    I'm so tired  that all of  the previous messages were losing
    coherence while I was reading them.
    That is, if they were coherent to begin with, which is  highly
    doubtful around this place.

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

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    Message: 44905
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Carol
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 22:26:42

    There is no good reason a woman-owned business should be treated any
    differently than a man-owned business.  But the people who advocate that
    sort of special treatment are the same people who spread fraudulant
    statistics about women being underpaid.

    I will provide more extensive documentation debunking the claim that women
    are underpaid at a later time.

    Message: 44906
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 22:28:33

    When you respond to a well-reasoned argument by refusing to discuss the
    matter, when you respond to facts by saying, "I disagree," you are, by
    default, conceding the argument.  You are not honest enough to admit it, of
    course, but that is precisely what you have done.

    Message: 44907
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/one more time
    Date: 07/05/87  Time: 23:59:58

    Define facts James!! My dictionary says ---"a fact - anything that is done -
    a deed! A thing that has actually happened or is true - a thing that has
    been or is! Something declared to have happened or to have existed". Notice
    the quotations marks - they are NOT mine but Mr. Danial Webster's!! Give
    your well reasoned argument to him, not me. You simply don't know what the
    hell your talking about. Not only don't you know about women - you don't
    know the definition  of the simple word "FACT" either. You are, in my book,
    a intelligent snob and the intelligent part is "iffy"! These are not vicious
    name calling - these are FACTS!!!

    Message: 44908
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/dad
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:01:10

    Oh yeah - now I get it!!
    Nasty, nasty!! --- Ann

    Message: 44909
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jacqueline Mitchell
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:02:58

    I thought the name Jesus was Jewish meaning the Anointed One??!! How can it
    originally be Mexican? Clue me in --- ANN

    Message: 44910
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/farmers
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:07:52

    I think the whole problem here would solve itself if people quit depending
    on the goverment to suppliment what they already are making. I know a lot of
    people need help at times, but alot also make it a life long thing. I know a
    family that is on 3rd gerneration welfare - the woman had 5 healthy boys
    that wouldn't work if they were starving. Their kids will go the same route
    too unfortunately. --- Ann

    Message: 44911
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol/JT
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 00:08:56

    Oh boy Carol, you've went and done it!!! Your on the line now!! Good post.

    Message: 44912
    Author: Bill Salina
    Category: For sale
    Subject: LAPTOP
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 01:06:18

    TANDY 600 LAPTOP FOR SALE 3M0 OLD SACRIFICE FOR $450  CALL 8496877.
    HP CALCULATORS  HP41-$80,HP35-$35,HP27-$35...CALL 8-6877.

    Message: 44913
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 01:53:44

    The fact is that woman are not underpaid, and the statistics are presented
    in a misleading fashion to fool people like you into thinking they are.  I
    will give specific figures tomorrow if I have a chance.

    Message: 44914
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Ann's Dad
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:03:34

    No, she said something about licking shoes. I think the wombat must have
    confused you.

    Message: 44915
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/Hitler
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:06:18

    Not an expert, I *believe* Hitler was non-religious. He seemed to feel
    that Christianity took people's minds off of him, and discouraged it.
    He tryed (without too much success) to encourage a pagan teutonism (twilight
    of the gods, and all that, no doubt with himself in the role of Odin).

    Hope this helped.

    Message: 44916
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: In search of
    Subject: sanctuary
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:11:01

    I'm trying to keep a low profile. The wombat is after me again.

    Message: 44917
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hiking
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:12:15

    Anybody here like to hike? In the summer?

    Message: 44918
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 02:44:16

    What exactly is wrong or stupid about the positioning of the Earth relative
    to the sun?

    Message: 44919
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Both Right
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 05:54:32

      I think both JT and Ann are right about women's pay scales.  On the
    average, women with the same seniority and job get the same pay, BUT this is
    only an average.  It is quite probable that Ann has run into situations
    where such inequity was present.  Companies are getting away from these
    practices for two reasons.  One is that, of course, it is illegal.  The
    other is that it's just bad business.  You *don't* want to alienate your
    employees.  That produces a high turnover, low moral, and that damages
    productivity.  It has been proven over and over that a happy employee is a
    productive employee.  I work at American Express, and they give office
    parties and lunches every now and then.  These cost them money, but the
    increase in moral more than pays them back.  Sadly, some companies still see
    their employees as the enemy, which should be screwed any way that they can.
    That's stupid, but nonetheless it happens.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 44920
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Hitler's Church
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 05:57:25

      He did follow Christianity, in that he believed in God and Jesus Christ,
    but (despite what Tony and Susan Alamo say) he didn't follow any established
    religion.  He believed that God was on the Nazi's side.  Although the movie
    over-hyped it, he did try to find the Ark of the Covenant.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 44921
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/last
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 09:58:11

    Alright , I'll agree that stastistics can be presented in a misleading
    fashion. In fact, very, very little do I believe in stastistic on the whole,
    but you are forgetting that the situations I told (and others) you about
    happened! Therefore, making them FACT! My point is - it shouldn't be
    happening at all. It is rare that it happens to a man. Remember my first
    post - I said that I wanted to be equal to man in every way in society. You
    had ask me what society wouldn't let me do! I simply told you. I am more
    than interested in what you have to say James. That has been a mistake on
    your part right from the beginning. I would love to know that on the average
    women are treated fairly where wage scales are conserned and if you come up
    with good answers, not false stastitics. I will listen.

    --------- ANN

    Message: 44922
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/Hitler
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 10:07:05

    Arn't you kidding about Hitler looking for the Ark of the Covenant? Wasn't
    that simply a movie with Harrison Ford? Anyway, I always thought Hitler was
    a Christian of sorts. Wern't most German's at that time Lutheran? IF the
    latter was true - how they ever justified what they did is beyond me. I know
    anything can be twisted around to suit the "twistee's" way of thinking, but
    they had to dig deep for that one! I'm not talking about the German people
    as a whole - they were fooled and really believed in Hitler at first. In
    fact - they didn't know what was going on as much as we did. When they did
    -- it was too late. --- ANN

    Message: 44923
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Love!
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 10:11:50

    I was listening to MTV yesterday and heard Sting singing "If you love
    someone, set them free!"
    How can a person be free if they love or is loved? I love - but if I look at
    it closely, it does not make me free. Of course, that is MY choosing. But
    how can I be free if I love or how can I set someone one free that I love???
    What is meant by that song?? ---- ANN

    Message: 44924
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 14:52:06

    Ignore Sting -- a previous song told a woman how he wasn't ever going to let
    her out of his sight.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 44925
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Life
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 17:57:43

    ...
      If, as I believe, the urge to make a kind of music is as
    much a characteristic of biology as our other fundamental
    functions, there ought to be an explanation for it.  Having
    none at hand, I am free to make one up.  The rhythmic sounds
    might be the recapitulation of something else - an earliest
    memory, a score for the transformation of inanimate, random
    matter in chaos into the improbable, ordered dance of living
    forms.  Morowitz has presented the case, in thermodynamic
    terms, for the hypothesis that a steady flow of energy from
    the inexhaustible source of the sun to the unfillable sink
    of outer space, by way of the earth, is mathematically
    destined to cause the organization of matter into an
    increasingly ordered state.  The resulting balancing act
    involves a ceaseless clustering of bonded atoms into
    molecules of higher and higher complexity, and the emergence
    of cycles for the storage and release of energy.  In a
    nonequilibrium steady state, which is postulated, the solar
    energy would not just flow to the earth and radiate away; it
    is thermodynamically inevitable that it must rearrange
    matter into symmetry, away from probability, against
    entropy, lifting it, so to speak, into a constantly changing
    condition of rearrangement and molecular ornamentation.  In
    such a system, the outcome is a chancy kind of order, always

    Message: 44926
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Life
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 17:59:04

    on the verge of descending into chaos, held taut against
    probability by the unremitting, constant surge of energy
    from the sun.

    Message: 44927
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Work I.D.
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 18:37:40

                        LETTER TO THE EDITOR, July 4th, 1987
                       WORK I.D. SURRENDERS PERSONAL FREEDOMS
    Editor:
         I read with a mixture of interest and anxiety the letter by Robert D.
    Park in the June 23 Republic touting the issuance of a national "Work ID"
    card which, presumably, everyone of legal status would use to identify
    him/herself as an employable person.
         My interest was aroused because we need to explore solutions to the
    problem of illegal aliens in the United States, and my anxiety arose because
    we live in a free country.
         It is probably true that a national identity card would make it easier
    for employers to avoid hiring illegal aliens, but is it worth the price we
    would pay as a free people?
         The identification card would relegate working to the status of a
    privilege granted to citizens and regulated by the state.
         Already the Social Security system numbers us. Our Social Security
    number follows us throughout our lives; it is used as a school ID number; it
    appears on our driver's licenses; and it is widely used by credit-reporting
    agencies to keep track of our bill-paying habits. This, to me, is sufficient
    as a national work ID.
                             (Cont.)

    Message: 44928
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Work I.D. (2)
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 18:38:46

                        LETTER TO THE EDITOR, July 4th, 1987   (cont.)
                       WORK I.D. SURRENDERS PERSONAL FREEDOMS

         It still surprises me how easily a citizen of the United States is
    willing to surrender a piece of freedom for expediency. And as public
    attitudes change, I can't help but be reminded of a seduction - as each step
    is taken and each small hurdle of conscience jumped, the next is easier and
    more comfortable, until the original reason for resistance is forgotten.
         Perhaps it's paranoia and much ado about nothing, but the idea of the
    seduction prods me, and I can't help wondering if I have already forgotten
    some good reason for resisting the authority of our burgeoning bureaucracy.

                                       THOMAS N. HARRIS
                                                Phoenix

    Message: 44929
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Work ID
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 19:59:14

    The solution is to eliminate immigration restrictions altogether.  Screen
    incoming immigrants to make sure they aren't criminals, and do not allow
    them to collect welfare for say 10 years, but allow anyone who wants to
    become a citizen of this country.

    Message: 44930
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Comparable lies
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 20:07:38

    In 1977, earnings of women averaged 59 percent of men's earnings.  This
    number -- 59 cents -- has taken on almost religious significance for
    feminists, who use it as a symbol of the "sexism" that is supposedly rampant
    in our society.  But, as I have pointed out here, it is unreasonable to
    assume that the gap is entirely, or even mostly, due to discrimination.  In
    fact, in 1980, never-married women earned 89 percent of what never-married
    men earned--so the difference in work choices associated with marriage
    account for the vast majority of this differential.

    What remains of the gap is the result of the sum total of all other factors,
    including discrimination.  Most of the other factors are not easily
    quantified, but surely we can see that they are likely to account for a
    great deal of the difference:  women may be, on average, less aggressive in
    pursuing their careers than men.  Women may choose their careers, on
    average, giving less weight than men to money and more to other factors such
    as enjoyment of the work.  Perhaps most importantly, marriage has not been
    entirely accounted for:  many women enter the job market not planning on a
    lifelong career, but rather something to support them until they get
    married.  (We have only accounted for the difference among those who have
    already gotten married, not among those who plan to.)  So, although there
    are instances of discrimination, it would not appear that they are terribly
    widespread.

    Message: 44931
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Love
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 20:34:43

    Facts:

    (1) Love is not purchased by force or wager.
    (2) Love is indeed a given thing.

    Therefore:

    (1) Opposite to setting "someting you love free" would be to hold, chain
        imprison and or suffocate it. Bound by YOUR control so to speak.

    Hence:
        Love does not grow in cellars.

                                                   -Mike

    Message: 44932
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/IDs
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 21:33:29

    I thought your post RE: work IDs was great and I agree with you. You put it
    simply and too the point. What a practical, sane solution. I go a step
    farther - I'd get rid of "boarders"! But your way could work and would
    benefit everyone. But alas, it's too good. It'll never be. People seem to be
    afraid of letting the aliens in even in small numbers. Afraid they will take
    jobs away from the citizens. Thats a bunch of hog wash - most citizens
    wouldn't do most of the jobs the aliens will do.  When we lived in Calif. -
    down near Escondido in the avacado groves, the farmers had to use illegal
    "wetback" labor because no one would work steady at that type of work.
    Fortunately, at least everyone we knew who used them paid above average
    scale and fed them good . I guess there is horror stories on the treatment
    of the aliens, but we never saw it. --  ---ANN

    Message: 44933
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/women
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 21:50:13

    OK! Lets assume what you are saying is right! However, you are still quoting
    stastistics. What about my "real life experiances and others I've heard
    about. And don't say they are feminist - I don't think I really know any
    true feminist! Getting back to my original point - women ARE discriminated
    against and as long as they are - I am not free!!  SOCIETY IS NOT letting me
    be free!! As long as it is not a 50 50 deal, it's discrimination!!
    Stastistics are unsteady to put it mildly. Surely you can see that it is not
    a 50 50 world??!! You have gotten off the main track here. I see merit in
    what you said - but I can't (and I didn't say won't) agree with it all
    simply because I see things that disagree. Why should a woman EVER be
    considered a minority?? Please answer that James. ---- ANN

    Message: 44934
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sandy/IDs
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 21:51:39

    During Hitler's reign they had such cards.!!

    Message: 44935
    Author: John Groseclose
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mark/Hiking...
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:18:11

    In Arizona? Are you nuts?

    Message: 44936
    Author: John Groseclose
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hitler/Christianity
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:21:40

       Most of the stuff I've read/heard about Hitler said that he was born a
    Jew, believed in Christianity, tried to find the Ark of the Covenant, and
    also relied on the tarot to guide his battles. He also tried to locate
    several codices of arcane origin to help the Nazi regime rule by not only
    "Aryan Supremacy", but black magic. Only thing that I believe is that he was
    a real menace in that he was a complete psychopath.

                                        J.G.

    Message: 44937
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hitler
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:35:10

    And a socialist, don't forget.

    Message: 44938
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:36:53

    Certainly there are instances of women being discriminated against; there
    are also instances of men being discriminated against (Paul Johnson, for
    example).  But the fact that people are discriminated against here and there
    hardly means that women are "oppressed" or "not free."

    Message: 44939
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Quotas from space
    Date: 07/06/87  Time: 22:41:54

    From the May 3, 1987, New York Times Book Review:

    To the Editor:
         In her sympathetic review of my book "Intruders:  The Incredible
    Visitations at Copely Woods" (April 5), Bettyann Kevles makes an assertion I
    would like to correct.  After carefully outlining the admittedly bizarre UFO
    abductions and enforced genetic experiments my book describes, she states
    that all the victims of these experiences are white Americans.  She wonders,
    then, if this constitutes a racial bias.  Since I had not felt the
    obligation to disclose the race of anyone I dealt with in my book, I am
    dismayed that the absence of this information led Ms. Kevles to assume the
    subjects were, by default, white.  In fact, the abductees I've worked with
    include seven Hispanic victims as well as blacks, Europeans, Native
    Americans and people of extremely varied ethnic and socioeconomic
    background.                                            Budd Hopkins
                                                               New York

    Bettyann Kevles replies:
         Perhaps this is an instance in which identification of the racial
    composition of the victims might have been enlightening.  The half-alien,
    half-human hybrids Mr. Hopkins describes are all pink or gray, from which I
    inferred that all of their human parents were white.  I am pleased to learn
    that a number of them were Hispanic-Americans or blacks.

    Message: 44940
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Please...
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 01:28:58

    Recall OUR Governor EV MECHAM.

    Thanks,
    Michelle

    Message: 44941
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jacqueline/Ann/Jesus
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 02:44:58

    Also, Mary is a Mexican name, Mary and Jesus.
    Du!

    Message: 44942
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick/Earth?Sun
    Date: 07/07/87  Time: 02:46:58

    If you don't know then go sit in the sun tomorror afternoon for an hour or
    two.  The design is all wrong, it is a wonder that life came about at all,
    although what did come about wasn't very intelligent.
      That explains it.

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