### Apollo BBS Archive - May 16, 1989

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 08:24:58

    I have noticed that in the almost two years I've been on Apollo that JT
    often takes different sides at different times. I.E. the abortion issue
    At the beginning, he professed to not really knowing how he felt and then
    went on and fought tooth and nail against it! HE's a good BBSer! So are you.
    I guess at times I do the same thing as JT does - I'm not that strong as I
    sound against Beauty contests - but if it raises Paul and JT dander, then
    I'll continue. Ha. See you later. Give 'um' hell! -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. Especially Paul's!
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:Yeah, I'm just screwing around with the beauty pagents discussion.  It
     2:really doesn't matter that much.  Hopefully it will lead to some heavy shit.
     3:Take care,  -Rod

    Mail from Dustin Wood
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 12:27:25

            Rod, if time or age does not exist then why do we worry about being
    late to jobs or social events? Also if age or time are misnomers then what
    is the correct term to use?
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        Time is a man-made concept.  We use it for communicating with each
     2:other.  It comes in handy and is especially good for appointments or knowing
     3:when to be at work.  But in the vastness of space, of which we are a part,
     4:there is only mass in motion, changing on a continuum.  Always will be, too.
     5:        I like to use the term, later.......
     6:                                Rod

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 17:55:26

    I do what I want.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        "I do what I want".  What do you want to do?

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 17:55:58

    I really don't know if I want to read the stories.  I will think about it
    and get back to you.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        Oh, please read them.  It is worth it.  We need your calloused
     2:opinion.  Really.    -Rod

    Mail from Apollo SYSOP
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 21:27:01

            (-;}   Grin!

    You like that LASER printer....  Come over some night and take a look if you
    like.   If you need something printed out, upload it in an ASCII file.

            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
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     1:Thanks for the offer.  The 'Great Apollo Debate on Illegal Drugs would look
     2:nice in laser.     I have thus far given away about 90 copies.  I have
     3:received very favorable reactions.  People are expressing interest in
     4:computers and modems.  They like the idea.  I am going to be mailing some
     5:more here and there in the near future.  They are a trip to make.  In order
     6:to do 20 copies, I have to send 210 11X17 sheets of paper through my copier
     7:twice then collate and staple.  I am going to see about getting 1000 copies
     8:made in the coming weeks.  I hope we have another good debate on a topic
     9:that is of importance.
    10:        The current debate is a 'play-around' one.  It makes no difference
    11:to me one way or another.  I am just taking my current tact because Paul is
    12:taking the other.  Oh well.  Who is $ Robert Knee, ha ha.

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2243
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Posts
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 07:40:56

    These last 10 posts are the best story of all.
                  Love Ya All
                  Ralph
    PS: Sandy when will you be home alone?

    Message: 2244
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralph/last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 09:07:08

    'Will Sandy be home ALONE?' Well - I never! That's just like a man - fickled
    and will follow the first cute bit of fluff that comes along. That's it! No
    more games will we play - no more sitting close and no more Vette rides for
    you! Hurrumph!!! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2245
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy SLYSLOP
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 15:31:11

    We don't have a phone, so how could you talk to my wife?

    Message: 2246
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann,
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 17:42:03

    I have the best new game made just for you. It will drive you up
    a wall. Interested?

    Message: 2247
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/phone\
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 18:36:13

            "You don't have a phone", really.......then what does your computer
    use?

    Message: 2248
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 19:36:54

    The neighbor's phone.  Only he doesn't know it.

    Message: 2249
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 05/17/89  Time: 00:25:07

            He does now!

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 58741
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Kontest News
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 02:21:29

    *=* Need Stories added! *=*  And where are the rest of you story tellers?

     This may prove to be the best short story contest to date on Apollo.  The
    story can be [D]ownloaded from the [L]ibray (ASCII)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From Jeannie Innajug.... Sandy and the Wolf    INNAJUG.TXT

    From Gary Jones.....  Apollo Nights    GARYJ.TXT

    From Sandy SysOp....  Veil of Innocence   SANDYS.TXT

    From Dean Hathaway...... An Audience With A King    DEANH.TXT

    From Ann Oudin.......... The Modern Inquisition     ANNOASSP.TXT

    From Rodney Williams .... The Grass Tastes Good    RODW.TXT

    For you who don't read so good, this is being said again:
    The stories are in the [L]ibrary for [D]ownload, but are NOT listed.
    In the [L]ibrary use the [D]ownload Cmd and ask for SANDYS.TXT or anyone of
    the other stories listed here in THIS post.   I recommend you ask for the
    [ASCII] mode when prompted.  Only $tatus users can [D]ownload however.
    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 58742
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 05:39:26

    Your problem has become all too apparent Ann. You can't see the forest
    because the trees keep getting in the way.
    My one post to you on this subject made far more sense than all of your
    half-cracked arguments against one portion of beauty contests collectively.
     Do you have any idea how much money is spent in preparing little girls and
    young ladies for the express purpose of entering and winning these contests?
    First, if a little girl is pretty and shows potential, even if only in the
    eyes of her parents, she is sent to dancing school, then charm school, then
    modeling school. After this, if the potential has developed into something
    more substantial, there are many hours of very costly private tutoring in
    such things as poise, grace, charm, general intelligence, etc. Actually,
    aside from well planned diet and exercize programs designed to accentuate
    the beauty that is already there, little time or effort is spent on the
    beauty angle. Most of that is natural, a gift from God if you will.
    You really ought to put your obvious biases aside one of these days and
    watch a Miss America pageant from beginning to end with a balanced eye AND a
    balanced mind. THere is much, much more to it than a parade of bodies in
    swimsuits.

    Message: 58743
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob T.
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 05:42:19

     I never said that an ugly woman could win a beauty contest Bob. I am merely
    pointing out that physical appearance is but one part of the whole, and no
    ravishing beauty that couldn't display the rest of the qualities ever won
    one either.

    Message: 58744
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/my Vette
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 08:34:11

    You bet your sweet bippy I get attention driving that car and that is one of
    the top reasons I have it. But my husband and I worked hard and long to get
    in a position to get that car. I wash & wax it - vacuum it - take care of it
    constantly. AND - anyone here on this board could get one if they wanted to
    work for it - be you ugly or beautiful! I wasn't born with it. Ha.
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58745
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James H./#58734
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 08:35:53

    Sure. Why not? Good an excuse as any! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58746
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/#58742
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 08:54:54

    The only merits of that post is the knowledge that your arm has grown quite
    long - from patting yourself on the back so much!
    Doesn't it strike you as a little sick to prep all those young girls with
    dancing school, private tutoring etc. etc. just so they can parade around in
    swim suits and try to win a beauty contest? They do not do this with men, so
    why women? As I mentioned, I've never seen a Mr. America contest and I doubt
    that many other people have either. But I'll bet that Mr. America contestant
    are body builders and are not just born that way!
    Wouldn't those parents that push their kids like you mentioned, be better
    off pushing them in a real career direction to survive in the real world
    instead of something as frivolous as a B.C.? Things have changed. Now most
    women must go out there and work to help support their familys and keep a
    roof over their heads. Chances are, she is the only parent bringing money
    into the house. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58747
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 09:02:17

    Wrong! I remember when B.C. were just that and nothing else. There were no
    talents involved. They had an evening dress and bathing suit judging and
    that was it. In the late fifties I recall watching the miss Universe contest
    and there was one woman that was obviously the favorite of the audiance -
    mine too. She wasn't any more beautiful than the rest, but her personality
    really shown above them all.They took measurements in those days and because
    one of her shoulders was 1/4 inch lower than the other, she came in second.
    Idiocy!!!  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58748
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beauty
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 17:50:04

    I
    am short fat and a beauty.
                         Love ya ALL
                         Shoot them all
                         Ralph

    Message: 58749
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 18:01:08

    It is so maddening talking to someone who is absolutely incapable or
    unwilling even to display the barest rudiments of logical thought.

    So, only the rapist is responsible for a rape, but women are responsible as
    well, eh?  Good thinking.

    Message: 58750
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beauty Contests
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 18:44:51

            If God were to judge a beauty contest, He'd, no doubt, pick the one
    who looked the most like a cave woman.  Why, you ask?  Well, since
    homo-sapiens were created in His image and since man was created quite a
    while ago, then god must look like a cave-person.  Makes perfectly good
    sense to me.  How about you?
            These tall, thin, women who enter the current contests wouldn't last
    a good fort-night in the real world.  They'd starve to death trying to
    pull-their-weight.  Send a few to the Ukraine and watch them die like flies.
    These pretties are just show PIECES (no pun intended).  Pretty to look at,
    nice to hold, but good for little else.  -Rod

    Message: 58751
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 21:24:31

            Rod, you have a very high opinion of yourself, yet a very low
    opinion of every one else.  Are all self centered atheists like this?
    From what I understand it is very tough to get into a national Beauty
    contest and I can only gather you are a sexist pig when you think someone
    thin and beautiful can't take care of themselves in what you call the real
    world.  What does "good looks" have to do with survival?  I am sure if you
    told some of these girls that to their faces, they would knock the snot out
    of you.  You are either very brave, or very stupid.  I choose the later!

            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 58752
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/17/89  Time: 00:32:45

            Well, I guess it helps in the competition if the girls are willing
    to let loose of some of their wares.  A sample here and there can usually
    get someone into the finals.
            Besides, as it is often with males, the ones who could be considered
    ugly (I hate to use that word), are most often (nerds) the ones who have
    excelled in intelligence.  The pretty, muscle boys, for the most part, have
    little upstairs, except perhaps a football game or two dancing in their
    heads.  The steroids dance in their veins.
            The females I have met who could be considered the equilivent of the
    male nerds can out think and are more congenial, less high-strung, than the
    ones who are groomed to win beauty pagents.  To actually marry one of these
    contestants would be like asking for a life of servitude instead of help.
    No thanks, I'll take brains over beauty anyday although I did manage to get
    both.  Thanks for the compliment.   -Rod

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 363
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Story
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 07:51:46

    If I typed a story it would be about a big BIG tractor that
    would be very much in demand. This BIG BIG tractor would be used
    to pull heads out of asses.
                                Shoot them ALL
                                   . .
                                    .
                                   '-'

    Message: 364
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Speaking of/last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 09:18:28

            Ralph, speaking of heads up their ass's... Have you let your bird
    fly yet?

    Message: 365
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 09:35:48

    hahahahahahahahahahaha - now that was FUNNY! There ought to be a Kontest
    about the funniest question for this week and the funniest, round about way
    to insult! You'd be the clear winner with that one! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 366
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 17:38:45

    Go home you'r MOTHER is calling.

    Message: 367
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphie.
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 18:47:32

            Now that was damn funny.  Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap,
    (standing ovation), clap, clap, clap, (even if it was meant for me), clap,
    clap.
            Well, now that you have the clap, I'd suggest seeing a doctor.

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