### Apollo BBS Archive - March 20, 1989

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 04:54:34

    I'll let you know about the test firing. It just depends how early I have to
    be in to work that day.

    As far as Durant's is concerned, lunch or dinner would be fine on any Monday
    (preferably). Sunday is still kind of unpredictable -- sometimes I have to
    work, sometimes I don't.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        Okay, I'll let Jazz know and we can plan accordingly.  Got any good
     2:drugs?                  -Rod

    Mail from Sandy SYSOP
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:10:07

            I hope they never ask. I hear so many people who are dissatisfied
    with how our government is treating them, yet not one can anything of
    consequence be him/herself. Wish I knew the secret to unit the disgruntled
    masses.
                            Sandy
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        You and me both wish we knew the secret that would unite the
     2:disgruntled masses.  And how.  I'm going to take a creative writing course
     3:pretty soon.  The pen is mightier than the sword.   -Rod

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5323
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Idea for thought
    Subject: Carter the martyr
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 05:00:25

    What a geek.

    Message: 5324
    Author: $ Cliff Winters
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike...
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 12:49:34

            Bye bye Mike!
            I am still doing repairs on equipment that I sold over the years...
    The only exceptions to this, is if anyone else worked on it, or modified it
    in any way, then forget it.

            Mike the weenie....
            And where did you get the power to declare Apollo DEAD?  You say the
    SYSOP has given up... well the SYSOP is Sandy.  I guess what you mean is
    that a woman can't do the job... Right?  ((Chauvinist PIG))
            Besides...  Maybe after a month or so off... I will be refreshed and
    will be back Ram-Rodding Apollo!   What do you think having several SYSOPs
    on a board is for... so one can take a rest...  Weenie Mike!

            See UU

    Message: 5325
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:30:45

            The Sig Sauer is a good gun indeed, as the price reflects. I do not
    think I have ever handled a Sig .380. I have handled a Walther .380 and
    found that, also, to be a good weapon.

    Message: 5326
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Debate / dispute
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:34:12

            I do not think that taking a rest means the same thing as 'throwing
    in the towel'.
            The timing for Cliff's rest couldn't have come at a better time. I
    do not think I could manage Apollo by myself if it was going full bore.

    Message: 5327
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:54:44

    I'd say Apollo is full of bores.

    Message: 5328
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:01:40

    last  (grin)

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 117
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy - the cos
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:16:57

    We're insulting each other on the BB, the Old Fart's sig and the RGB sig.
    That's why no activity on the cos. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 118
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:35:33

            Oh.

    Message: 119
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:02:19

    Uh.

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 125
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:18:33

    Not that I need it at this time - but do you work on Tandy's?
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 126
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 15:52:52

    After reading Mike's goodbye speech now in 3 different areas, I think he was
    more interested in advertising Crossroads BBS than saying goodbye.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2944
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: JT/your joke
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:19:56

    Well, well, you do have a good sense of humor after all. Good joke.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2945
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: punishment
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:04:53

    Good thing that masturbation is not a serious crime in the U.S.  Being near
    blind is punishment enough.  I just did it till I needed glasses.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 57716
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 02:29:13

    Re:  "what you perceive to be truth may not in fact be truth"

    An astute observation Rod.  One could say that to anyone on any subject.

    Re:  "How did you come into Christianity, the Eastern Religion?

    That is a long answer.  Too long to type out here.  Basically, the Holy
    Spirit convinced me I was wrong and God was right.

    Re:  "Why believe in something that originated half a world away?"

    The distance of origin has nothing to do with truth.

    Message: 57717
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 02:31:00

    Re:  "Do their auto tires have wooden wheels?"

    Only those bought with "wooden" nickels.

    Message: 57718
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: open containers
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 04:59:06

    Try driving around town with an open container of an alcoholic beverage in
    your hand, and you may find yourself enlightened on this point.

    Message: 57719
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/kids
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 06:13:16

    Yep Rod. You're right. Kids have been using substances since pre-history.
    What a wonderful argument for making drugs legal and easier to get! While
    we're at it, we must remember that kids have committed suicide and
    fratricide since the old days too. (Remember Cain and Abel?) So let's make
    that legal too, and maybe we ought to join the punk rockers and acid groups
    that sing of the wonderful release from pressure and euphoria that suicide
    gives them, and encourage them to go and O.D., or shoot themselves, or jump
    off a high building. What the heck! It will help our overpopulation problem
    too!
    Why  don't you go back to the 60's where you belong, and crawl back to
    Haight-Ashbury and bury yourself in a cloud of pot smoke! You are a great
    example of why they call the stuff dope!

    Message: 57720
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Tonkin
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 06:16:50

    Sorry 'bout that. I not only missed your point, I got my incidents mixed up
    as well.
     The CIA is always a possibility in any such action, and while I wouldn't
    discard the idea totally, neither would I ignore the possibility that the
    bombing could have been done by a member (or members) of the crew of the
    Vincennes.

    Message: 57721
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/your kids
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 06:23:39

     I don't think that you realize just how lucky you are! In more ways than
    one. Since you apparently don't there's not much point in telling you, or in
    continuing this discussion, since it will obviously go nowhere.
    Of course, the thought never occurred to you , rather than sit in front of
    your kids with a drinkie poo in your hands and tell them they could grow
    marijuana just so you could continue with your own vices, you could have set
    the better example of abstinence, and of showing them that life is possible
    and perfectly fulfilling without the spectre of substance abuse hanging over
    your heads. No, I didn't think so. Oh well.

    Message: 57722
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/more drugs
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 07:41:05

    Re: "Leaving a drug dependent family member" - It would depend on the
    person. If the user does not show any signs of helping themselves or wants
    to, then I would not stick around unless I WANTED to! You are also under the
    false idea that all drug users are addicts! Not so any more that all people
    that drink are alcholics. But regardless of what you say - the bottom line
    is the person that miss uses drugs are responsible for themselves.

    Yes! The drug addict is a victim of his own abuses. But you are mincing
    words here in order to appear that your winning this conversation! You are
    not because you have only disagreed with us that want to legalize it and
    have not came up with any sort of answer yourself. If there IS A BETTER way
    to stop drug lords/pushers/trapping kids into a life of crime - I'm
    certainly interesting in hearing it. I did not make a snap decission when I
    thought the answer might be legalizing it. I saw that the way it is now is
    not going anywhere. Too much money involved for it to do a bit of good.
    So I'm still waiting for your solution(s?). And with a open mind and ears!
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57724
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 08:04:48

    "I could have shown a better example of abstinence"? Hahahahaha! Leave it to
    a moralist to think that drinking is a sin. I enjoy drinking and it does not
    harm me the way I do it. I do not need it - I like it - it's here, it's
    legal - I'm an adult - and a free American. I eat steak with a lot of fat
    too and Winchell's doughnuts! Should I have given up the latter (abstinence)
    to show my son the 'right way' to be/live/eat?

    "Spectre of substance abuse hanging over your heads"? My lord Paul. Isn't
    that a bit heavy with dramatics? You ought to be a preacher - I've heard
    those words many times in my life from rightious moralists. I even believed
    them once. I know better now.

    Of course life can be perfectly fulfilling with out booze, cigarettes,
    drugs, and Winchell's doughnuts - but it can be too WITH all those things.
    That is something you seem to forget. You have chosen the 'row you want to
    hoe' - I have chosen mine. My garden flourishes too but please refrain from
    trying to tell me how my row should be hoed! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57725
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/imports
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 08:11:40

    Re: imports - of course it would stop most import of drugs. If they were
    cheaper and safer here - why would there be any profit made off of imports?
    The same goes for your reasoning that it grows better in tropical chimes! So
    what? We have tropical areas ourselves - Florida and Hawaii for instance.
    There could also be green houses.

    I would like to see marijuana legalized to the extent that you can grow it
    for your own use in the back yard. The government could forget trying to
    curb that aspect of it and save even more money. They could also sell it at
    a very low price (after all, it's a prolific weed!) to deter people from
    trying to sell what they grow. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57726
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul & Daryl
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:10:37

    A question: Which one of us that are for legalizing drugs has ever said,
    suggested or hinted that murder and rape should also be legalized then?
    Just show me the post(s) - if you can't, please get off it!
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57727
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul & Daryl again
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:12:18

    A question: Can you not see the difference between someone who willingly
    takes drugs and someone that goes out and murders and rapes someone against
    their will? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57728
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Stress/Drugs
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 10:16:08

    Eliminating stress sounds like another REAL feasable plan. Yeah, TRY it
    sometime. In this fast-moving world, stress is unavoidable in many cases.
    Wait; I have an idea...let's LEGALIZE it! ...Oh, you mean it's NOT illegal?
    But people are continually under it's grasp anyhow? Pity.

    Message: 57729
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/57716
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 10:19:00

    Bob, you're trying to reason with Rod. Not productive, trust me. Ever try
    beating your head against a brick wall? Hurts, doesn't it? (grin)

    Message: 57730
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Drugs
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 10:25:06

    Ann, I see that your mind has been made up, and that you don't wish to be
    bothered with facts. What's the point in continuing the discussion? Open
    minded, indeed. [I will bite my tongue at this point, for what I wish to say
    would probably not make for profitable conversation.]

    Message: 57731
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/57726
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 10:34:26

    Ann, what we are trying to show you is that you are being a hypocrite. To
    back the legalization of one source of income for organized crime, and not
    all the others (to get them out of the business) is mugwumpdom at it's
    finest. To legalize drugs to hurt organized crime's income is like picking
    up several grains of sand from a vast beach. Organized crime has their
    fingers in just about everything! If you are going to sit on the fence with
    your "pet issue" waving your "IT'LL ELIMINATE CRIME!" banner, you are
    fooling no one but yourself. Perhaps the real reason you want to legalize
    marijuana is purely self-serving behind that big red paper thin banner.

    Message: 57732
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/57727
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 10:47:31

    Can you see a difference between someone who is raped against their will,
    and someone who is taking drugs because his body is dependent upon them and
    not of his free will? VICTIMS, Ann, they are BOTH VICTIMS. Ok, say it was a
    brother of yours. Strung out, wondering where he is going to get his next
    fix. He knows his life is messed up, but he can't help it anymore. The drugs
    have taken over his life. He can't think clearly anymore. He can't hold a
    job because he's either doped up or going through withdrawal symptoms. He
    tells you he doesn't need any help, but it's the drugs talking, not him. He
    no longer controls his life and what goes on around him. The drugs control
    every facet of his life. The drug-dependent brain can't even retain a
    rational thought anymore. His self-esteem is shot. His self-value is no
    more. He doesn't feel that his life is worth ****. AND YOU TELL ME THAT
    SIMPLY BECAUSE HE HAS TOLD YOU THAT HE DOESN'T NEED ANY HELP THAT YOU ARE
    NOT GOING TO HELP HIM? HEAVENS, ANN, NOT ONLY ARE YOU SELFISH ENOUGH NOT TO
    HELP HIM EVEN THOUGH HIS DRUG-FRIED MIND DOESN'T THINK IT NEEDS HELP, BUT
    YOU WANT TO MAKE THE DRUGS *EASIER* FOR HIM TO GET? Certainly, let him drug
    himself to death. Who cares? He's only your brother, and YOU don't run his
    life. Who cares if he's family, he's made his decision, and he should deal
    with it by himself. You obviously have better things to do. Sure, he's a
    victim, but it's not like he's been RAPED or KILLED or anything like that.
    JUST BECAUSE HE'S A WALKING ZOMBIE DOESN'T MEAN HE'S A *REAL* VICTIM, OR
    ANYTHING. I mean, if we make drugs legal, perhaps he will see the error of
    his ways and straighten himself out! Yeah, that's it! Hey, bro! JUST SAY NO,
    okay? Uh, that's if you want to, if you don't want to, then GREAT! [slam]

    Message: 57733
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Resting...
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 14:45:49

            It is hard to break an addiction.

    *=* Cliff *=* the resting SYSOP

    Message: 57734
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:48:03

    Stop being such a teetotalitarian.

    Message: 57735
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: WESTFALL
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:53:43

    I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SUGGESTING THAT DRUG LEGALIZATION WOULD STOP
    ORGANIZED CRIME.  WHAT IT WOULD STOP, HOWEVER, IS A GOOD DEAL OF
    UNORGANIZED CRIME.  THIS IS SIMPLE ECONOMICS.  THE RISK OF CRIMINAL
    PENALTIES IS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR DRUG DEALERS, AND, LIKE ANY
    BUSINESS EXPENSE, IT IS PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER.  THAT IS WHY DRUGS ARE SO
    EXPENSIVE.  BECAUSE DEMAND FOR DRUGS IS RELATIVELY INELASTIC (AND BECAUSE
    DRUG USERS ARE ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW, AND THUS ARE LESS WORRIED THAN YOU
    OR I MIGHT BE ABOUT BEING CAUGHT COMMITTING A CRIME), MANY USERS COMMIT
    CRIMES IN ORDER TO RAISE DRUG MONEY. LEGALIZATION WOULD LARGELY ELIMINATE
    THIS PRROBLEM BECAUSE IT WOULD REDUCE THE PRICE OF DRUGS, OBVIATING THE NEED
    FOR ADDICTS TO STEAL.

    Message: 57736
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:08:42

            Saying that what you believe may not be the truth was my polite way
    of saying I think you are on the wrong track.

            I was once a Chrisitan and I think you are doing the members of your
    family a disservice by your preaching.  I know you disagree but remember, I
    told you so.

            Anyway thanks for the answer.   -Rod

    Message: 57737
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Daryl
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:21:17

            You two are the biggest, most self-righteous, closed-minded bigots
    that ever came down the pike.
            By the way, Daryl and Paul.  Dean Hathaway had some EXCELLENT posts
    concerning drug legalization.  Why didn't you answer them?  Oh, I see, you
    couldn't.  I totally understand.  You can't even answer JT's points

    Summary on drug issue:  No one has the right to legislate morality.  But it
    seems that closed-minded bigot do so anyway.  They can usually be spotted
    because they have their heads 'where the sun don't shine'.

            Paul, you used to be the bigest bigot on this board but now you have
    company in the name of Daryl Westfall.  If this intelligence you both are
    showing is caused by your diety then I must say that IT would be a bigot of
    the first class.  A closed-minded, filthy, scummy, drip.  -Rod

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 220
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 09:28:46

    'TO BE CONTINUED'? And just when it was getting interesting!

    Isn't LSD a lot more dangerous than the mushrooms? My daughter and her
    husband had a baaaad trip once and never took it again. It really scared
    them. I've known people that had a bad trip a couple years after taking the
    stuff. One woman had a car load of kids - thought she saw a dragon in the
    road and plowed into a telephone pole. She was the only one hurt fortunately
    - a broken arm! She (said) hadn't used it in 6 months. -=*) ANN (*=-

    P.S. I have a personal theory about what LSD does - it opens (somehow) the
    part of the brain up that we don't use! Isn't it statistic that we use only
    1/4 of our brain capacity? That if we could use it all - the mysteries would
    be opened to us???

    Message: 221
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 16:57:08

    If you need drugs to perceive the oneness of the universe, you're pretty
    dumb.  The universe is one by definition.

    Message: 222
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:26:33

            Yeah, well the lifeforms on this planet are so divided that hardly
    anyone will admit to being related to another.  I am related to Hitler,
    Mother Theresa, You, Kadafi, The Bird Man of Alcatraz - Robert Stroud,
    Little Anthony AND the Imperials, King Tut, Benny the Bopper and Laura
    Lansberry.  So get fornicated.  In that regard I meant oneness.
            Nah, just kidding, there are two perhaps five universes but, duh, I
    thought I could see that there may only be one.  Gosh.
                    -Rod

    Message: 223
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/acid
    Date: 03/20/89  Time: 17:40:30

            Yeah, well LSD can give a person a damn bad trip.  I had one in 1969
    and that was the last time I took it.  As it turned out that experience, the
    most horrible one ever, has turned out to be the best.  It was so bad it was
    good.  It woke my mind up from a 'me' trip.  I can't be really happy living
    in a unhappy world.  That is why I am working on a bomb in my basement that
    will help recycle this place.  The bomb will only kill the poor and down
    trodden leaving the wealthy unscratched.  They deserve this place.  Hell, I
    wouldn't want this planet even if it was smooth running.  The holy ghost
    told me I was going to heaven forever.  The only entertainment is that
    everyone is issued a telescope with infra-red attachments and a directional
    sound pick-up.  They watch the soap opera on earth and then gossip about it
    during their coffee clashes.  Kids are not allowed to view as it is XXXX
    Rated.
            I heard it was fun to watch family arguments especially the ones
    that are brought about my family financial matters.  Wars are neat too.
    Games are played I'm told, like one day you see how many limbs get torn off
    in auto accidents and the winner gets some prize or other.  The day I got a
    preview they were playing, 'how many stabbings' one could see.

            LSD is a remarkable drug.  I think it should be offered to residents
    of nursing homes.  I heard that it helps them accept death a lot easier than
    somone standing over them with a bible preaching.  I will take it again
    before I leave this place, perhaps at the same time.   -Rod
            I'll log on later and finsh what I started.  Good sex.

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