### Apollo BBS Archive - September 10, 1989

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    Message: 60841
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Gambling
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 02:35:35

    There have been fights and robberies involved with social gambling in AZ.

    To everyone who didn't know, I was kicked out of Tommy's because I refused
    to 'donate' $150 per week to his legal fund.  In the last weeks before
    Tommy's closed they were getting the dealers to 'donate' $75 per day, per
    table.  Not all the tables, but all of the tables in the front of the club
    (the good tables).

    This is the kind of thing that is ruining social gambling.  There are some
    mafia involvements, but not a problem at most of the clubs.

    As for why I didn't kick in the money for Tommy's defense fund, it wasn't so
    much that I didn't think that social gambling shouldn't be defended, but
    that the money was DEMANDED.

    I felt that if I made money, I didn't have any problems giving them some,
    but when I lost it was stupid to make it that much worse.  One night my
    partner and I lost $2000.  I certainly wasn't going to give ANY money after a
    night like that.

    Message: 60842
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/blame
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 05:51:39

     Blaming Christianity as an entity as you have done, for all the evils that
    people have committed over the centuries, is like blaming city hall (the
    building) for the actions of the fools that have offices there.
     There's an old saying that it takes two to tango. Those who may have
    mistakenly taken up the sword in the name of the Lord had to have something
    or somebody against whom to take it up. Did it ever occur to you that just
    perhaps those people might have been the persecutors, and not the
    persecuted?
     I'm not defending violence in any way, but before anyone goes around
    pointing fingers at any group and spraying them with the same paint can as
    they do those who have been bad examples of their cause should perhaps
    reconsider modifying their position. There are far more Christians around
    that exemplify the principles and practices that Christ taught than there
    are the other kind. You are just looking in the wrong places.

    Message: 60843
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/#60820
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 09:21:27

    I'll be willing to bet 99% of the Klansmen are Christian. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60844
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on paul's post
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 09:28:35

    RE: blaming .... you said blame man - but these were professed Christians
    doing what they thought God told them to do - going to other countries
    saying "you believe in our God or we'll kill you!" and they did! This is a
    good example of what Rod is trying to say - religions have done more harm
    than good. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60845
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 09:44:44

    I'm sorry Paul - AND I'm not pointing any fingers, but I do not meet many
    Christians that "exemplify the principles and practices that Christ taught"!
    It seems to me that now days they make excuses to act the way the want to.
    I.E. My daughter belongs to this obscure church that had an abondoned car
    left in their church parking lot. For some reason, they came to believe that
    it was left there by dope peddlers and they decided to strip it and sell the
    parts - some used the parts for their own cars.
    In the Bible Jesus says "render unto Caeser" etc etc - if that is the case,
    how come churchs don't pay income taxes and do their share for this country?
    Instead, they go out and buy more un-taxed land say in the mountains and use
    it for retreats etc. Not to mention apartment houses and businesses.
    As I said, I'm not pointing at you - you may adhere to Christ's principles
    fully - but surely you can see that ALL Christians do not! The Bible is such
    'mishmash' that anything one wants to find in it can be found.
    BTW - the Klansmen think they are true Christians and fully justify their
    acts by the Bible. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60846
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Klansmen/Ann
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 12:18:34

            That is so much garbage Ann... I am disappointed in you.  You talk
    of a relatively few corrupt MEN, who CLAIM to be Christians, and you paint
    ALL Christians in this picture.  You have again overlooked the fact MAN has
    FLAWS....  Men are greedy, Men kill other men and men lie!  If you are a
    TRUE Christian, you will follow a different path.... or at least TRY to.
    Even a good Christian will wander off the path now and then...as s/he has
    the flaw of being human.

            For the majority that do follow the Bible in its true content, will
    be good men and men with honor.  No one hears new about them however, as you
    must understand ONLY bad new sells.

            I lived in the South for many years... The Klanmen are not as you
    see them on TV shows,   Sure, lots call themselves Christian...but are they?
    In truth some hide behind a Bible and try to spread their human hate by
    misquoting scripture, just like Rod purposely misquotes it.

            Atheist Drug Lords Kill, Atheist Communists kill....  Harp on them
    for a while....  They do it in larger numbers too!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60847
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 14:03:31

    Good posts. I agree.

    It is a VERY GOOD THING that God loves us.  Can you just imagine what this
    world may be like if He didn't.  I'm telling you, I'd be afraid to go out of
    this house at night.  Everything would just be worse.  Speaking of Him
    loving us, I wonder just how much.  You know, my Mom, when I was a little
    boy would tell me, by holding her outstretched arms as far as possible, just
    how much she loved us.  Sometimes when she was angry, she would hold her
    finger and thumb apart just a little to show us how much love she had at the
    time.  I wonder if God does this.  For all I know He could only love us a
    little.  After all, the Bible only says that He loves us, not how much.

    Perhaps I should 'invoke' him to have din-din with me and clear this matter
    up once and for all.

    Does He love Klu Klux Klan members as much as Baptist Ministers (probably
    one in the same there)?  I don't know.

                                    Rod

    Message: 60848
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 14:05:42

    What has the Bible said that you should live by?

    Message: 60849
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: C-64 Software (FREE)
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 14:37:38

            I was cleaning out some more boxes left over from the store and ran
    across some of the store demos and utilities we once used when selling and
    working on the C-64 computers.   12 diskettes...with such things as:1541
    Backup, CG TERM, Speedscript, screen dump, MLX, C64 Alarm Clock, DOS 5.1E,
    C64 sound editor, Unscratch file, SX-64 Demo, FASTCOPY, Super DOS,
    Diskmanager and others....    The price is FREE...  I was going to just toss
    them, but thought there may still be a few Commodore 64 users.

            I would call first as I am going to give them ALL to the first
    person who showes up to claim them...  No need to waste a trip, and NO, I do
    NOT deliver!

    P.S.  These are just copies..and there are no docs.  Sorry!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60850
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Nice users?
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 15:03:04

            Gee Wiz, Traci has been an Apollo user for years...  Not one post of
    congrats to her on her Wedding...  What thoughtful users I have here.

            I will zap this post in a day (if I can remember)

    (Yes, that was a HINT you red blooded American BBS user)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60851
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Traci
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 17:59:27

    Okay Traci.  Congradulations on your marriage.  I may even get married some
    day.  I saw your husband the last time I saw you and he looks very handsome.
    Have a marvelous life.  -Rod

    P.S.  I have no choice but to dedicate the next six messages from me to you.
    It is my gift to you.  Sorry though because the messages are long and could
    be very boring to some.  But, the board is dead today and is in need of
    messages.

    Message: 60852
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:00:23

    (After doing my 'special' prayer which I learned from a Hindu Master
    during the Sixties, I again invoked God to have a Chat with Me.)

    I got right to the point so as to not waste God's precious time.  "My
    friends and I would be interested in knowing how much you love us", I
    asked?  "In your perfect book, the Bible, it clearly says the You love
    man."  "Please define?"

    "Before I answer, let's order some Spaghetti with Clam Sauce, I am
    famished," God replies.  "You know, I created Earth quite a while ago
    and then I put life on it.  I made all life in My image, sort of like
    minature look-alike figures, only smaller and so very much less
    intelligent than I."

    Meanwhile, the waiter, a very handsome, olive skinned Italian, came
    dancing over to our table to take our order.  "Hi", he said, my name is
    Nick and our special tonight is 'Chef's Delight, spaghetti and Spam.
    What'll you have?

    We ordered the Clam while God quipped, "Spam wasn't one of My best
    food creations."  "But", he added, "economic times are hard and my
    little creations will, in a pinch, eat absolutely ANYTHING."  He
    grinned broadly as He made this comment.

    Message: 60853
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:01:02

    "What about love?", I prompted, adding,  "I assumed you were in a
    hurry."

    "Hurry-Scurry", he replied, "There ain't much to do in this Universe
    anymore.  To me, time does not exist.  It is like I know everything
    that will happen, save for the minor events that are caused by man's
    free will but that is all entirely predictable.  After all, it was I
    who set the limits.  So, to me life is rather boring.  I just sit
    around waiting for the next big event that I planned to come about,
    ad infinitum.
      And then there are the humans who NEVER repented, although they
    were given a great many opportunities to do so.  And now they are in my
    'eternal torment area' to continually pay for their transgressions.
    And the number is slowly creeping up.  But, I for the most part ignore
    that aspect because one becomes tired of watching it for so many eons.
    Besides, I already know what will happen.  The souls in Hell are
    stripped of all of their earthly rights, freewill included.  It's just
    the nitty-gritty, torment thing.  But they had their chance, didn't
    they?"

    Message: 60854
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:01:40

    "I suppose so" I mused, who am I to argue with God.  "I'll bet there
    are an awful lot of homosexuals, pimps, druggies and murderers there,
    eh?  But we are getting off the subject, I need a clarification of
    Your quote, 'You love us', what about it?"

    "Love-smuve", he exclaimed.  Let me ask you something.  Just say for
    instance that you were the most powerful and most intelligent person in
    the entire Universe.  That you knew how everything was going to always
    be, save for a few very minor events, but nothing that would affect
    you.  Well, one day you decide to create some life to share with you
    because the thought of being by oneself, for all of eternity, is  worse
    than being in Hell, believe that!  So, you make some firmament as a
    base and add some little people.  You give them the best environmental
    system you can think of and see that their bodies have all sorts of
    defense systems.  And you give them ways of feeling intense pleasure
    and intense pain."

    God continues, "So, you start out with just a male model, like I did.
    You watch him for a while and see that he is without like company.
    Sure, you talk with him quite a bit but you know everything in his mind
    because you made him.  Well, you know he is lonely and you knew that he
    would be, so you take one of his ribs and make a companion.  You then
    add a testicle sac and the sperm system.  You of course watch the pair
    in the foilage because there isn't anything else to watch and you

    Message: 60855
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:02:19

    arrange a little test in order to check your ability as a creator.
      You tell Adam, 'I have made lots of good things for you and Eve to
    eat  but I have planted this one tree in the middle of your garden area
    and you MUST NOT touch of the fruit.'  You then whip up a slithering
    serpent that can speak and wait until Adam is fast asleep.  You send
    the snake to her and have it say, 'Eve, there in the middle of the
    garden is a tree, unlike all the others, and if you eat of its fruit,
    you will find reward.'  She replies, 'But our creator warned us about
    eating of the tree, I heard him tell Adam'."  In any event the rest his
    History.

    He continues, "When you make them, you add the free-will factor,
    meaning that they could make any decision they want without you
    butting-in.  But when Eve ate that forbidden fruit and became aware of
    both good and evil, you decide to teach them and all of their
    offspring a lesson that would span all of eternity (remember Hell?).
    You strip them of a good, year round environment, and you make them
    feel ashamed of their private parts hanging about and add desert
    wasteland intermixed with their lush vegetation."

    "Well," He asked, How much would you love them?"  He then stretches his
    big arms out as far as they will go and exclaims, "I love them this
    much", indicating that He is trying to stretch his arms even farther
    apart.  "It's just that Eve failed my test.  I NEVER make mistakes,

    Message: 60856
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:02:58

    never have, never will.  It wasn't my fault that Eve was tricked, it
    was all her fault.  Blame her, I had nothing to do with it.  I just
    made that serpent very convincing but what do you expect, I am God.
    Sure, I could have made it suspicious looking and unbelievable in its
    manner but a perfect being cannot create imperfection, right?
    Certainaly the price was steep but I gave her a fair shake.  Life
    isn't easy, you know, you gotta pay for it."

    "But", said I, why didn't you use the same perfection when making
    Adam and Eve as you did on the talking snake?

    "Free will", He says, free will.  Eve could have just as easily have
    said, 'no thanks' to the snake.  Then to this very day every human
    would live in a garden environment, naked, would enjoy a mean tempature
    of 72 degrees year round and could pick their fruit from the trees,
    save for one."  After a long gurgling burp, God continued.  "Hell, man,
    then what a pitiful universe it would be.  What purpose would it serve?
    A bunch of totally happy people freely engaging in sex and never
    getting sick, injured or  knowing good and evil.  It would be a real
    drag from my point of view.
       Sure I see little kids getting napalmed or going through
    windshields at 90 miles per hour.  I see starvation and natural (hey,
    that's me) holocausts quite often but the test WAS NOT rigged.  It was
    fair.  I did know the outcome of either reaction and it was a big

    Message: 60857
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:03:36

    price, I admit, but in all honesty I didn't fudge on the test. Now man
    must struggle all the days of his life.  Nothing will be easy and fear
    will always be upon him.  I am being prayed to constantly by people who
    are in great need and some who just want to pass a test.
       My situation now is much better than when it was only me, alone in
    the universe, but to tell the truth, nothing that one creates can
    REALLY keep them company.  You can only watch and be patient when
    having a conversation with man.
       And nothing they say will ever surprise you.  If I could create
    another me, a female version with big boobs, that would be
    intellectually my equal then that would be something.  Of course it
    would be risky to give Her as much power as I.  If that happened then
    Heaven would become as awful as your Earth.  No, I'm going to stay in
    control but it sure is lonely at the top."

    "What was the Jesus gig that you pulled off a while back all about,"
    I inquired?

    I was quickly interrupted by God.  He said, "Your prayer only allows
    you one subject matter at a time, later....." and with that He was
    gone in a flash, leaving me stuck with a $72. bill from Ianuzzi's
    Ristorante.

    Message: 60852
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:00:23

    (After doing my 'special' prayer which I learned from a Hindu Master
    during the Sixties, I again invoked God to have a Chat with Me.)

    I got right to the point so as to not waste God's precious time.  "My
    friends and I would be interested in knowing how much you love us", I
    asked?  "In your perfect book, the Bible, it clearly says that You love
    man."  "Please define?"

    "Before I answer, let's order some Spaghetti with Clam Sauce, I am
    famished," God replies.  "You know, I created Earth quite a while ago
    and then I put life on it.  I made all life in My image, sort of like
    minature look-alike figures, only smaller and so very much less
    intelligent than I."

    Meanwhile, the waiter, a very handsome, olive skinned Italian, came
    dancing over to our table to take our order.  "Hi", he said, my name is
    Nick and our special tonight is 'Chef's Delight, spaghetti and Spam.
    What'll you have?

    We ordered the Clam while God quipped, "Spam wasn't one of My best
    food creations."  "But", he added, "economic times are hard and my
    little creations will, in a pinch, eat absolutely ANYTHING."  He
    grinned broadly as He made this comment.

    Message: 60853
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:01:02

    "What about love?", I prompted, adding,  "I assumed you were in a hurry."
    "Hurry-Scurry", he replied, "There ain't much to do in this Universe
    anymore.  To me, time does not exist.  It is like I know everything that
    will happen, save for the minor events that are caused by man's free will
    but that is all entirely predictable.  After all, it was I who set the
    limits.  So, to me life is rather boring.  I just sit around waiting for the
    next big event that I planned to come about, ad infinitum.   And then there
    are the humans who NEVER repented, although they were given a great many
    opportunities to do so.  And now they are in my 'eternal torment area' to
    continually pay for their transgressions. And the number is slowly creeping
    up.  But, I for the most part ignore that aspect because one becomes tired
    of watching it for so many eons. Besides, I already know what will happen.
    The souls in Hell are stripped of all of their earthly rights, freewill
    included.  It's just the nitty-gritty, torment thing.  But they had their
    chance, didn't they?"

    Message: 60854
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:01:40

    "I suppose so" I mused, who am I to argue with God.  "I'll bet there are an
    awful lot of homosexuals, pimps, druggies and murderers there, eh?  But we
    are getting off the subject, I need a clarification of Your quote, 'You love
    us', what about it?" "Love-smuve", He exclaimed.  Let me ask you something.
    Just say for instance that you were the most powerful and most intelligent
    person in the entire Universe.  That you knew how everything was going to
    always be, save for a few very minor events, but nothing that would affect
    you.  Well, one day you decide to create some life to share with you because
    the thought of being by oneself, for all of eternity, is  worse than being
    in Hell, believe that!  So, you make some firmament as a base and add some
    little people.  You give them the best environmental system you can think of
    and see that their bodies have all sorts of defense systems.  And you give
    them ways of feeling intense pleasure and intense pain." God continues, "So,
    you start out with just a male model, like I did. You watch him for a while
    and see that he is without like company. Sure, you talk with him quite a bit
    but you know everything in his mind because you made him.  Well, you know he
    is lonely and you knew that he would be, so you take one of his ribs and
    make a companion.  You then add a testicle sac and the sperm system.  You of
    course watch the pair in the foilage because there isn't anything else to
    watch and you

    Message: 60855
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:02:19

    arrange a little test in order to check your ability as a creator.   You
    tell Adam, 'I have made lots of good things for you and Eve to eat  but I
    have planted this one tree in the middle of your garden area and you MUST
    NOT touch of the fruit.'  You then whip up a slithering serpent that can
    speak and wait until Adam is fast asleep.  You send the snake to her and
    have it say, 'Eve, there in the middle of the garden is a tree, unlike all
    the others, and if you eat of its fruit, you will find reward.'  She
    replies, 'But our creator warned us about eating the tree, I heard him tell
    Adam'."  In any event the rest is History (His Story). He continues, "When
    you make them, you add the free-will factor, meaning that they could make
    any decision they want without you butting-in.  But when Eve ate that
    forbidden fruit and became aware of both good and evil, you decide to teach
    them and all of their off-spring a lesson that would span all of eternity
    (remember Hell?). You strip them of a good, year round environment, and you
    make them feel ashamed of their private parts hanging about and add desert
    wasteland intermixed with their lush vegetation." "Well," He said, How much
    would you love them?"  He then stretches his big arms out as far as they
    will go and exclaims, "I love them this much", indicating that He is trying
    to stretch his arms even farther apart.  "It's just that Eve failed my test.
    I NEVER make mistakes,

    Message: 60856
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:02:58

    never have, never will.  It wasn't my fault that Eve was tricked, it was all
    her fault.  Blame her, I had nothing to do with it.  I just made that
    serpent very convincing but what do you expect, I am God. Sure, I could have
    made it suspicious looking and unbelievable in its manner but a perfect
    being cannot create imperfection, right? Certainaly the price was steep but
    I gave her a fair shake.  Life isn't easy, you know, you gotta pay for it."
    "But", said I, why didn't you use the same perfection when making Adam and
    Eve as you did on the talking snake? "Free will", He says, free will.  Eve
    could have just as easily have said, 'no thanks' to the snake.  Then to this
    very day every human would live in a garden environment, naked, would enjoy
    a mean tempature of 72 degrees year round and could pick their fruit from
    the trees, save for one."  After a long gurgling burp, God continued.
    "Hell, man, then what a pitiful universe it would be.  What purpose would it
    serve? A bunch of totally happy people freely engaging in sex and never
    getting sick, injured or  knowing good and evil.  It would be a real drag
    from my point of view.    Sure I see little kids getting napalmed or going
    through windshields at 90 miles per hour.  I see starvation and natural
    (hey, that's me) holocausts quite often but the test WAS NOT rigged.  It was
    fair.  I did know the outcome of either reaction and it was a big

    Message: 60857
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:03:36

    price, I admit, but in all honesty I didn't fudge on the test. Now man must
    struggle all the days of his life.  Nothing will be easy and fear will
    always be upon him.  I am being prayed to constantly by people who are in
    great need and some who just want to pass a test.    My situation now is
    much better than when it was only me, alone in the universe, but to tell the
    truth, nothing that one creates can REALLY keep them company.  You can only
    watch and be patient when having a conversation with man.    And nothing
    they say will ever surprise you.  If I could create another me, a female
    version who would be intellectually my equal then that would be something.
    Of course it would be risky to give Her as much power as I.  If that
    happened then Heaven would become as awful as your Earth. No, I'm going to
    stay in control but it sure is lonely at the top." "What was the Jesus gig
    that you pulled off a while back all about," I inquired? I was quickly
    interrupted by God.  He said, "Your prayer only allows you one subject
    matter at a time, later....." and with that He was gone in a flash, leaving
    me stuck with a $72. bill from Ianuzzi's Ristorante.

    Message: 60858
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:51:37

    Re:  "I do have quite a
    lot from CHRISTIANS OF APOLLO SIG."

    I didn't know you were a member of the CHR sig.  I remember Cliff saying a
    long time ago that he would only let professing Christians on the CHR SIG.

    Message: 60859
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:55:18

    Re:  "I try to lead a good life and I treat others like I would like them to
    treat
    me."

    That sounds familiar.  I know I've read that someplace.  Oh yes, it's from
    the Bible.  "Do to others as you would have them do to you."

    I'm glad you do follow some of the Bible.  If everyone would follow just
    that little bit, the world would be a much better place to live in.

    Message: 60860
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 18:56:57

    Re:  "I think far more people have been killed in the name of socialism"

    A lot of people were killed in the name of Nazism.  Especially Hebrew
    people.

    Message: 60861
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:01:26

    Re:  "CMDs like this can work very well when one hits a return key"

    Thanks for the info Cliff.  I have copied the above on 5 separate lines.
    When I save it, before I save it, I will try the (F)ill command to see if I
    got it ok.  Here it goes.

    Hey!  It worked!

    Message: 60862
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:09:15

    Re:  "I'll be willing to bet 99% of the Klansmen are Christian."

    It could very well be that 100% of the Klansmen claim to be Christians.  The
    point is thought, how many really follow the teachings of Christ.  To beat
    and/or murder a person because of the color of their skin is not the
    teachings of Christ.  A pig can tell all who listen that he is a cat.  But
    if the pig doesn't meow, if the pig doesn't chase mice or otherwise act like
    a cat, but instead wallows in the mud and oinks, why should anyone believe
    that the pig is a cat?

    Message: 60863
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:11:52

    Re:  "religions have done more harm
    than good."

    It might be true that wicked men have done many wicked things in the name of
    God.  But that doesn't mean God is wicked.  It just confirms that some men
    are wicked.

    Message: 60864
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:16:23

    Re:  "In the Bible Jesus says "render unto Caeser" etc etc - if that is the
    case, how come churchs don't pay income taxes and do their share for this
    country?"

    Hmmmmm.  Everyone in my church pays income taxes.  And you know I firmly
    believe I pay a lot more than my share (I pay double social security tax).
    If no one in your daughter's obscure church pays income tax, they are not
    following God's command.  But why does that make the Bible "mishmash"?

    Message: 60865
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:20:30

    Re:  "Sometimes when she was angry, she would hold her finger and thumb
    apart just a little to show us how much love she had at the time."

    That's interesting Rod.  I make a special point to tell my kids that my love
    for them does not depend on their behavior.  I love them just as much when
    they are good as I do when they are bad.  My love for my children is
    unconditional.  God is the same way.  He loves me when I'm bad, and he loves
    me when I'm good.

    Message: 60866
    Author: $ Robert Knee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Traci Sibel
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:36:47

    Congratulations on your marriage.  You may be interested to know that my
    brother-in-law is a divorce lawyer, and a damn good one.  Not that I'm
    pessimistic about your marriage, but it's something to keep in mind in case
    things don't go well.

    Message: 60867
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: National Socialism
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 19:41:28

    So, Thornburg, you're a history buff, eh?  OK, here's a hard one:  Do you
    know what "Nazism" is an abbreviation for?

    Message: 60868
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob on Rod on CHR
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 20:06:34

            Rod is NOT a member of the CHRistian SIG...  He is either bluffing,
    or he is getting the info from a member that does belong to that SIG.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60869
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod Dinner Posts
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 20:14:10

            Cute Rod... just make the corrections we talked about... And I will
    let you live!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60870
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/CHR SIG
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 20:33:30

    Cliff answered your question about the Christian SIG.  Pick one.

    And the part about Do unto others.....etc., well.....Bob if you think that
    every high moral standard comes from your Bible then you are more
    brainwashed than I first imagined.  Bob....Bob....wake up.
    (Peace)

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