### Apollo BBS Archive - November 29, 1988

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 11/28/88  Time: 22:44:32

      I don't know much about JT. I think he is probably adjusting his views to
    fit the market, like I said once before.
      I just found out today that I am going to be out of town when the next
    Libertarian meeting is scheduled, so I guess we won't be able to go after
    all.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4812
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Violence Rules!
    Date: 11/28/88  Time: 23:46:58

    Violence rules
    Guns are cool
    And we've got guns
    In our school
    Violence rules
    Guns are cool
    Violence rules
    Guns are cool
    Violence rules
    Guns are cool
    And we've got guns
    In our school
    Violence rules
    Violence rules
    VIOLENCE RULES!!!

                    -violent school
                    by the dead milkmen

    Message: 4813
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 09:32:29

            Well, because of people like that...do we want another SIG where we
    can have the hobby of shooting our guns and not have to listen to the
    un-educated people constantly slam us?  This was not a poem SIG. Frankly I
    am tired of that kind of mentality that makes it awkward for us to post.
    Maybe we can call the new SIG the [HOB]bies and Craft SIG. Input?

    Posts like 4777,4778,4812,4783,4811 and some even on other SIGs we just
    don't need....even though they have the right to their views.....  I feel
    this shied some users from joining in, and that bothers me.  Anyone wanting
    to have and join a SIG like this can leave me PRIVATE mail so their name
    won't be picked on by uggg (Gun Haters).

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 4814
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 10:02:39

    That was not a slam.

    "That was a joke. Grow up! Sheesh!"

    Message: 4816
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: An Even Better Idea
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 10:10:05

    I asked this to be put up as a vote before, and was told that I was a
    "friend," and that no one would want me to leave. Well, I suspect things
    have changed lately. I've spoken my thoughts, pissed most people off, and
    bruised some egos. Well, I say THIS time, we put this to a [V]ote and make
    it stick.

    [V]ote: Should Daryl Westfall stay on Apollo, or should he leave and never
            return?

     [A] : Daryl should stay
     [B] : Daryl should leave and never return.
           (The equivalent of having my name "trash-canned" on this board.)

    Let's see it. I'm interested to see the results. And trust me, I will live
    by the "MAJORITY" rule.

    PS: And NO "[C] : Does not apply/None of the above". It's gotta be one or
    the other.

    Message: 4817
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 10:29:19

    [C] Daryl should stop being such a martyr.

    Message: 4818
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 10:45:39

            You are entitled to your opinions....  This was not a slam on you!
    It's just some people on here are not secure in mentioning they like to
    shoot when they see such posts as that.  Of course you are a part of Apollo,
    just not the Gun Club so to say.   No one bothers you on your music SIG
    including me...and most know how I do NOT like todays MUSic!   So why can't
    we have a SIG that will not offend you, and will let us discuss our hobbies
    without wading though anti Gun posts or listening to someone post they want
    to supply Drugs?   We have a [CHR]istain SIG that you are part of where you
    can post without ridicule.
            The first time it was maybe taken as a joke... the second and third
    time we saw you marching with your picket sign!....  ha ha ha   ((Grin))

    (-:} *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    P.S.  You have not "Pissed anyone off", you are being emotional.
    Apolloites are TOUGH STUFF!  Wipe your nose, give me 20, then jump back in
    line!
            "Geesh" I say, as I think to myself; ((I can't even try to start a
    new SIG without making the troops restless.....))

    Message: 4819
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hey...
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 11:58:52

    As soon as the vote is cast, and if it is to leave, then I will leave
    quietly, and without further comment. No "long-winded and boring"
    soliloquies. I would just personally like to know if I am, in the eyes of
    the other users, simply wasting my time here, or find out if anyone actually
    gives a ****.

    Message: 4820
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 12:14:52

    In the words of another famous BBS user, Charley Brown...  "Good Grief"
    You had this Vote not all that long ago...  what is with you?   I have a few
    votes that I would like to run too on the "In God We Trust"....  why must
    you do this?  Maybe everyone should have a Vote to see if they stay!
            You boost your oun self confidence, don't lay it on my shoulders.

            Okay, No Gun Club Sig.....  There....feel better?

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    P.S.  Or get two more $tatus users to pertition me for the Vote!

    Message: 4821
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 12:19:29

    Partition you?

    Message: 4822
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 12:19:53

    Aren't you being a bit sensitive?  If only JT would ask for the same
    option...

    Message: 4823
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Alright.
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 13:03:23

    I'm a silent user.

    Message: 4824
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 14:27:16

    I'm tempted to say "Shut up already."  I guess I just did.
       I would rather have you be silent than continually request a vote on
    whether or not you should be silent, but I would much rather have you simply
    contribute as you have been.

    Message: 4825
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 15:07:15

            Is this some sort of yearly thing you must go through?
    Do the lining of the stars have something to do with your urge to
    have an Apollo vote on weather you stay or not?
            I wish you a speedy victory during your yearly crisis.

                            Sandy

    Message: 4826
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Vote
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 20:30:40

           (A)
    Now shut up......Oh, I don't mean stop posting, but the vote idea isn't one
    of your best and you have had a lot to contribute, so contribute.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2381
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Jokes
    Date: 11/28/88  Time: 21:38:34

    Don't any of you clowns out there have any jokes, GOOD or BAD????????

    Come-on guys and gals lets hear'em!!!!!!

    ----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8

    Message: 2382
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 11/28/88  Time: 23:47:54

    Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?

    Because it died of AIDS-related complications.

    Message: 2383
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer !
    Subject:  Last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 06:13:21

    SICK????
                   Ralph

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:EQ

    You chose Question ?

    Subject:Ralph/last

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:Didn't you forget something?  SHOOT THEM ALL, Old Fart Ralph.

    Saving message...
    The message is 2384

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 55793
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 55786/Thornburg
    Date: 11/28/88  Time: 23:58:19

    I have never said nor implied that most child molestors are Christians.
    What I said was that if the statistics James Hawley gave (which I question
    myself) are correct, that by itself doesn't say anything unless compared
    with the percentage of Christians in the population at large.  You infer too
    much from my message.  I don't think that anyone who thinks God exists is
    "quite mixed up in the head".  While I don't think there is sufficient
    evidence to support the existence of God, others do.  That need not make
    them irrational or insane.
       (By the way, how could the statistics both be correct and also be based
    on false information?  That's a contradiction.)

    Message: 55794
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 55788/Taranto
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 00:03:58

    The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an
    establishment of religion ..."  This is a much broader concept than merely
    prohibiting governmental establishment of religion.  Or so says the Supreme
    Court.

    Message: 55795
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: IN GOD
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 06:10:42

         Why such a fuss over In God We Trust? We all have a god of
    some sort even if it is the person that looks back at you in
    a mirror. The "In God We Trust" on our money does not say
    what kind of a God to trust. Perhaps it is the God Gold, or
    Rod's God "Rod" Or for some a Snake, All "In God  We Trust  "
    Is telling us is to trust you're God Not someone else..So
    there is no need to fuss over such a little thing.

    If we can come up with enough of the bills that say In God We
    Trust on them the National Debt could be paid , and we could
    live happy in our FAIRY TALE World.........
                   Ralph
     *
    [*

    Message: 55796
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ralph/last
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 08:02:24

    Hey...........Ralphie........

    Right on!   Shoot them all!

    See Y'aa..............

    Jeannie

    Message: 55797
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Chomsky
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 17:59:12

      To ensure that Nicaragua will become part of "the
    Commie-dominated bloc of slave states," the US has been
    waging a proxy war of mounting intensity against Nicaragua
    while blocking any source of arms from other than the
    preferred source: the USSR and its clients.  This serves a
    dual purpose: (1) to maintain a level of destruction and
    terror sufficient to reduce the danger of constructive
    developments in Nicaragua, and (2) to justify these efforts
    on the grounds of self-defense against the Evil Empire.  In
    March 1983, Under Secretary of Defense Fred Ikle testified
    before Congress that the USSR had provided $440 million in
    aid to Nicaragua since the revolution while "express((ing))
    irritation" that nearly four times that much, some $1.6
    billion, had come from non-Soviet sources, mostly what he
    called "misguided" European governments.  The US has
    predictably devoted itself to terminating this pluralism and
    ensuring sole dependency on the Evil Empire.  "In 1982, the
    French sold Nicaragua about $17 million worth of arms before
    US anger made them steer clear of sending any more military
    items into the area," the press reports; the statement is
    only partly true, since France, which will gladly sell arms
    to the devil himself unless prevented by higher authority,
    may continue to provide state terrorists in El Salvador and
    Guatemala with the required means of destruction, with our
    full acquiescence.  But only the Soviet bloc is permitted to
    provide Nicaragua with arms for self-defense against our
    attack.
      When arms do not flow at the approved level from our
    favored source, US propaganda invents the required facts, as
    in the case of Guatemala in 1954, or the guerrillas in El
    Salvador during the Reagan years.
      Much the same is true in the case of Maoist China and
    Castro's Cuba, among other examples; in the former case, the
    US not only helped create a Sino-Soviet bloc that was not
    inevitable, given longstanding conflicts between the Chinese
    Communists and the USSR that extend back to the Chinese Civil
    War, but even insisted with some passion that the Sino-Soviet
    bloc remained solid when it was evident to any rational
    observer that it was riven by deep conflicts.  The important
    point is that such behavior is systematic and quite rational,
    given the guiding geopolitical conceptions, which are
    essentially invariant, since they are rooted in the
    unchanging institutional structure of ownership and
    domination in our own society.

    Message: 55799
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Politics
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 20:35:55

            Yet another nice day has past.  I hope the ACLU is victorious in
    their suit to remove the "In God We Trust" motto from our currency.
                                    Rod

    Mail to Dean Hathaway
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 20:26:35

            What is the date of the next Libertarian meeting and where again
    does it meet?
    Rod
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue or [Z]ap:Continue

    Mail to James Taranto
    Date: 11/29/88  Time: 20:40:09

    [A]bort, [N]ew only, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

            Would you object if I sent a printout of Apollo's messages that deal
    with the "In God We Trust" debate to Virginia Postrel, Reason Magazine?  I
    would just use the pertinent messages.  I would be willing to send you a
    copy beforehand if you wish.  What say ye?
                                    Rod

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