### Apollo BBS Archive - Feburary 13, 1990

    Message: 63293
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/protest
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 05:41:45

     Yes, Tyson is protesting the 8th round knockdown of Douglas, and 2 of the 3
    boxing federations have held up the title. I have also heard Tyson branded a
    sore loser by some in the profession. Maybe they are building up to a big
    bucks rematch. I think I'll go back to pro wrestling. At least we KNOW what
    that is!

    Message: 63294
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: margerine expose'
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 05:49:35

    Goodbye Promise! So long Fleischmann's! No more Nucoa! It's back to the
    dairy for me! YUCK!
     If we only knew what we put into our systems when we eat some of this
    prepared "food" we would probably all turn into do-it-yourself vegetarians.

    Message: 63295
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Roger/earth age
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 05:52:24

    Would you please quote me chapter and verse that says the world is 6-10
    thousand years old? The gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 leaves plenty of
    room for a few million years, at least. Of course, I think we may be reading
    different Bibles.

    Message: 63296
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/allen
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 07:49:46

    Allen does not provide financing for their organs.

    Message: 63297
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/earth age
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 07:52:53

    Sorry, Paul, but Genesis 1 doesn't allow for any gaps. It's 6 days. Read
    it carefully.

    Message: 63298
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Laws to protect peop
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 09:17:16

    More like: Laws to protect people from themselves. That is not right.
    Laws should be to protect people from the bad intentions of others, not to
    protect people from themselves. For instance, what is the sense of making
    suicide illegal? It is their life to take.
    Many of you seem to not be able to handle the fact that people are ultimatly
    responsible for their own actions, physically, mentally, and spiritually.
    As long as they harm no one else, then it is their business, not yours.

    Message: 63299
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: War!
    Subject: Picketing
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 09:20:44

    Those picketing are doing so to deny the rights of another. To impose their
    will.
    The person using drugs is doing so to exercise his ultimate right to do what
    he wants as long as it doesn't hurt others.

    Can you compare the two?

    Message: 63300
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Larry Michaels
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 12:09:22

    I have to disagree.  People DO do things they wouldn't do if straight while
    on drugs or booze.  And they may regret them later.  I am not saying that
    drugs cause them to "be bad" but if they already have an idea of what they
    want and are afraid to play it out, taking drugs or drinking to releave the
    anxiety is very common.  I mean,  if you want to ask some one
    out and are a bit nervous and take a hit or drink, it may help you relax.
    But if you're a government employee and wish all the people in your office
    would be ripped apart by a AK47, and you do a little acid or PCP, there's
    another story.
    The key here I think is can one use drugs responsiblly and I think the
    answer for some people sometimes is no.  We just don't have a test to really
    allow anyone to know who is going to abuse substances.  If we did, I don't
    think we'd have such a problem about legalizing drugs. Drugs in and of
    themselves are not bad.  And even using drugs is not "bad".  It's abusing
    them that gets one in trouble.

    Message: 63301
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike M.
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 16:24:58

    Re:  "I have noticed there is absolutely no correlation
    between the intellegence of my students and the decision to try drugs."

    Hi Mike.  I'm fine.  Would "common sense" be more fitting in place of
    "intelligence?"

    Message: 63302
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Puzzled?
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 18:51:50

            Sorry, to say one is intelligent and uses drugs.... seems to
    contradict itself.   To blame society because people are not able to be
    responsible for their actions sounds like an R.W. cop out .

            This does not mean that sometimes good people don't get trapped into
    bad situations.

    Message: 63303
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 20:09:11

    Certainly intelligent people use drugs.  I think that people can use most
    drugs casually as they do alcohol and cigarettes.

    Message: 63304
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: drugs
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 21:53:08

         Where's the contradiction between being intelligent and using drugs?
    Even intelligent people want to find out what drugs are like; even
    intelligent people want to feel relaxed or high; even intelligent people
    sometimes try to escape from reality.  There is more than one reason to use
    drugs, and there are foolish and safe ways and places to use them, with
    degrees inbetween.  Why is this so difficult to understand?

         "Government exists to protect us from each other.  Where government has
    gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."

                 -- Ronald Reagan
                    (quoted in N.Y. Times, April 13, 1980)

    Message: 63305
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: L. Michaels
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 21:56:07

         You don't think that a criminal is guilty, but rather, society as a
    whole is guilty?
         So who do we punish?

         By the way, you should meet Rod Williams sometime.  I'm sure you'd have
    a lot to talk about.

    Message: 63306
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 22:24:07

    Re:  "If you look at your previous post you claim you can demonstrate that I
    use "mind gymnastics" and I'm calling you on it."

    Roger, you impress me as being a reasonably intelligent person, but your
    recent comments on "mind gymnastics" lead me to believe you are playing
    stupid with me.  You are the one who originally accused me of "mind
    gymnastics."  I did not accuse you, ever!  I have gone back and retrieved
    our messages beginning with your 63244 where you first used the phrase "mind
    gymnastics".

    RM> You are so used to the mind-gymnastics required by your belief in an
    inerrant bible, that you can't see a simple fact.

    I responded.

    BT> Why don't you point out why you think the Bible is so full of errors
    that I must resort to mind-gymnastics to believe it.

    You responded.

    RM> All right, Bob, give me an example of mind-gymnastics that is required
    by my belief in reality.

    I responded.

    BT> Gee Roger, isn't that the almost the same question I just ask you?  You
    the one who accused me of "mind-gymnastics" in the first place, because I
    believe the Bible.

    The record is here on Apollo for all to see.  You are the one who said, "You
    are so used to the mind-gymnastics required by your belief in an inerrant
    bible, that you can't see a simple fact."  Either back up your accusation
    with facts or withdraw your accusation.

    Message: 63308
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans Glans/Suicide
    Date: 02/13/90  Time: 23:39:57

    So, suicide does not affect anyone but the one committing it? What about
    those whom the suicidal person knows? Feelings of emptiness, loneliness,
    guilt, confusion...deep emotional and mental scars.

    Message: 63309
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Zak on intelligent
    Date: 02/14/90  Time: 00:53:58

            Then maybe it is best that drugs stay illegal then.  If the
    intelligent people will use drugs, we don't stand a chance to have a sober
    civilization.  The only reason I thought that drugs should be made legal has
    been defeated then.  So be it...I change my mind...  Pass the laws to
    protect the people from them selves.  I am against drugs since intelligent
    people are stupid.

            I am going to ZAP the ote question...since everyone must have
    lied.  Null and Void!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 63310
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl on suicide
    Date: 02/14/90  Time: 00:56:56

            My grandpa commited suicide...  What emotional and mental scars?
    Do you speak from knowledge?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

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     1:Here is a riddle for you:
     2:
     3:        Who gives the best blow jobs, god or Jesus?
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     1:Your messages make a lot of sense.
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