### Apollo BBS Archive - November 7 - 11, 1988

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    Message: 4639
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 19:56:14

    Alan is right, and not only that, Baby Boom Dan didn't know this! "I wasn't
    on that committee!" he answered, when asked if he headed up the anti-drug
    forces.

    Message: 4640
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: BEHOLD! .....
    Subject: J.T.
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 09:18:47

            Thank you J.T. for your support of Apollo and the help with the
    Phone Fund....  You have contributed to Apollo in many ways over many years,
    and I the "Mighty SYSOP" appreciate it!
            And you guys all thought J.T. was bad....  Ha!  He's got heart!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 4641
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/J.T.
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 14:48:22

    How much did that last plug cost you anyways?

    HEHEHEHEHE
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    Message: 4642
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 16:49:57

    Aw, shucks.

    Message: 4643
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 17:04:09

    What a geek.

    Message: 4644
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT contribution
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 19:23:35

    I hear the Heritage Foundation pays well.

    Message: 4645
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff on JT
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 05:56:23

    JT's got a heart? Where? Ha - only joking. That was nice of him. He's not
    all bad! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 4646
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Writers Cramp
    Subject: Political bet
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 12:11:56

    I lost a political bet to a member of this BBS.  I plan to pay my bet, but I
    also pledge an equal amount to the Apollo phone fund.

    /signed/

      Gary Jones

    Message: 4647
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: I won $20
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:18:55

    *But I also lost $10./

    Message: 4648
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 00:20:49

            What did you lose $10.00 on?   You seemed to have it pretty vell
    pegged...

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 4649
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:23:49

    Two weeks before the election, my friend Brad and I bet on the margin of
    Bush's victory.  I said 12.7 percent, he said 11.3, and the actual margin
    was roughly 8 (without counting minor parties).  But I also had a
    straight-up $20 bet on Bush with a girl in California, so I come out ahead.

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    Message: 1145
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 12:19:52

    What kind of dog do you have?

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    Message: 1146
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd/dog
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 15:15:40

    Toddd (extra d included by way of apology for mispelling your name last
    time)

    Don't got no dog.  Grandkid wants one.  spends 90% of conversation noting
    dogs wherever seen.  Daughter says no mutt 'til grandkid learns to take care
    of fish, lizard, ant farm, etc already owned.  Grampa ain't getting into
    this one!

    Bye!

    Message: 1147
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gary/last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 06:18:04

    Ha! Sounds like grandpa is already in the middle of that one! Get the kid a
    dog for lord's sake! Every kid and everyone needs a dog be it mutt or breed!
    Make a great Christmas presant eh? Go to the pound or Humane Society. Save a
    little life! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 1148
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 07:08:52

    Every boy needs a dog to be a buddy when he is a lone.
    =)) OLD FART RALPH ((=

    Message: 1149
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: dogs
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 07:31:54

    My father used to be a greyhound dog trainer for the races.  I grew up
    around many greyhounds.  They make great pets.

    I can fully attest to the fact that there is no better pet for a young boy
    than a faithful dog.

    Message: 1150
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Doggies
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 06:00:11

    Adopt a dog and or cat at the local pound or Humane Society and save a
    little life and gain a true friend! And after you do that, you can then join
    my new organization - the A.A.R.C. which stands for the Arizona Animal
    Rights Coalition and stop cockfighting in Arizona and other animal abuses!
    Just thought I'd throw that commercial in. =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 1151
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 11:50:40

    Is the AARC doing anything about Cat Juggling?

    Message: 1152
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: pets
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 21:38:04

    I can truly attest that Great Sulphur Crested Cockatoos make great pets for
    young kids.

    Message: 1154
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/last
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:17:40

    Hey........Toddy........

    Wasn't there a movie called "The Man Who loved Cat Juggling?"

    See Y'aa..........

    Jeannie

    Message: 1155
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/cats
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:01:16

    I've heard of such a thing and have seen it on TV - but I do not think it's
    a major issue in Arizona. Personally I prefer 'Juggling Frogs'! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 1156
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike/bird
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:01:57

    Do you have one? =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 1157
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Juggling
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 20:03:56

            Personally, I juggle bank accounts .......

    Message: 1158
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: 'nother question Ann
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 23:25:03

    Has the AARC taken a stand on Penguin Lust?

    Message: 1159
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Birds
    Date: 11/11/88  Time: 00:00:14

    From 13 years of age till 17 I had two of them.

    At the same time I raised a coop of 26 pidgeons, 2 parakeets (budgeriegards
    is Aussie talk) and one wedge-tailed eagle. (Aussie species).

                    -Mike

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    Message: 2269
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 16:18:20

    How did the earth's standing still affect gravity?

    Message: 2270
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 05:54:49

        The Earth's motion has little to do with gravity.  The effective gravity
    at the equator is slightly less than at the poles due to the Earth's
    rotation, but this is very minor.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 2272
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 08:53:39

    Are you related to Tom Steward?

    Message: 2273
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Beyond...
    Subject: The Disney channel..
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 15:18:07

    Thanks for suggestions.  I personally have never rented anything except old
    John Wayne movies, so had no idea where to look!  I'll try Mr. Movie first.

    Message: 2274
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Tom Steward
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 22:39:10

    Is alive and well.

    Message: 2275
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 03:26:52

    Is he mad about the fuse that he never got back?

    Message: 2276
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Steward's wisdom
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 03:28:53

    "It's those bumps. That's what's setting off your radar detector..."

    Tom Steward
    1983

    Message: 2277
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 06:21:32

    You like John Wayne Movies? I have 102 of them from way back to 1932 to his
    last - the Shootist! I lend them out if your interested! They are not my
    choice of movies - loving blood and gore like I do - I taped them for my
    husband. I also have lots of horror stuff too! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2278
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 06:27:40

    Taped a GREAT movie the other night - timed taped it so we could watch it
    later. It's called the 'Untouchables' with Sean Connery. We were really into
    it and it was just about over and the tape run out. I goofed! Dusted the VCR
    and acidently switched from super long play to long play and there wasn't
    enough room on the tape as I had another movie on it. (Robocop) I could have
    shot myself for such a goof. The movie is on three more times this week and
    I will try to catch the ending and I certainly recommend it for you to watch
    if you havn't already! Connery won the best supporting Oscar for it and he
    deserved it! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2279
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 07:33:50

    That's against the law.  Two days in the Phantom zone for you, you criminal.

    Message: 2280
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/Untouchables
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 14:50:36

    No, I haven't seen it yet but I am sure interested... When is it on?

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    Message: 2281
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Tom Stewart
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 16:50:53

    "That's a false 'B.'"
         --Tom Stewart, August 13, 1983

    Message: 2282
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Toaddy
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 06:04:59

    How do you figure that's against the law when the stations advertise late
    night taping? And besides - even if it is - tough! I pay for the tapes - I
    pay for the VCR and I pay $51.50 per month for cable TV. I do not make a
    profit so there for I am not a criminal! I also do not pirate software!
    Right Toddy? Hahahahahahaha. =+= Annie the AssP =+=

    Message: 2283
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris/movie
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 06:06:10

    I'd have to look in the TV guide - but I think it's on three times this week
    - late! Don't miss it! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2284
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Bush's cabinet
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 09:13:15

    It has been said in the press that Bush will select his friends and advisers
    that helped him this far to be in his cabinet. If this is so, will Willie
    Horton be Attorney General?

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 2285
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Another one for Duke
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 09:14:39

    What do Michael Dukakis and New England Patriots' quarterback Doug Flutie
    have in common?

    They are now both number 2!

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 2286
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: John Wayne movies
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 12:18:44

    Ann, I've probably seen most of the John Wayne movies but I hate
    commercials.  That's why I rent 'em instead of taping them.

    Message: 2287
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Tom Stewards fuse
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 21:39:12

    I doubt it. He's too busy playing Navy right now.

    Message: 2288
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Tom Steward
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 21:40:25

    He did it.

    Message: 2289
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gary/Wayne
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:10:41

    Almost all of mine are commercial free because I edit them while taping. The
    ones I time tape in the middle of the night are not however. There are only
    about 10 Wayne movies that can be rented and they have been shown on TV so
    much. I'd like to know where some of his good ones are - like The High and
    Nighty for instance? I have a book that lists 150 of his movies - I have 103
    - that leaves 47 unaccounted for and some of those were in the 60s and 70s!
    There is a movie that he plays a hockey player  and one he plays a dead body
    in - I'd give my eye teeth for either! He started in the movies in 1927 and
    never once in all those years until he died did he miss not making at least
    one movie a year! Several of those years he made up to six movies too. Just
    a little John Wayne trivia here. =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2290
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: JT/Gravity
    Date: 11/11/88  Time: 00:53:27

            You don't know what gravity really is.  I have a good theory on the
    subject but you'd just laugh and call me an idiot.  So fuck off.
                                    Rod

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    Message: 1575
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: yawn
    Date: 10/29/88  Time: 01:33:14

    When do I get to jump out of a perfectly good airplane? Sunday, if things go
    well.

    Message: 1576
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: A.M. Hours
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 01:02:21

    So what is everone doing at 1, 2, or 3 in the morning?  Sleeping like normal
    people?

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    Message: 1577
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Dean on House
    Date: 11/11/88  Time: 00:04:20

    Heh heh heh heh

    Just wait until the novelty wears off and the grass begins to grow
    malignantly.

    heh heh he heh...

    "So you want a house young man? Do you have life insurance?"

                            -Mike

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    Message: 55207
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 15:49:44

    Here is something interesting.  The Times Mirror Corporation (owner of the
    Los Angeles Times, among other papers) has been conducting surveys for the
    last few years, in which they break the electorate down into 10 demographic
    group:  two basically Republican, four basically independent, four basically
    Democratic.  Their most recent sample asks for presidential preference and
    break it down into these demographic group.  (The total sample favors Bush
    50-42 percent.)  Here is how it breaks down:

    GOP Groups:
    Enterprisers (11% of total electorate):  "Pro-business, anti-government,
    worry about economic issues."  Favor Bush, 96-2 percent.
    Moralists (12% of electorate):  "Pro-school prayer, anti-abortion, worry
    about social issues."  Favor Bush, 93-3 percent.

    Independent Groups:
    Upbeats (14% of electorate):  "Young, optimistic, patriotic, pro-government,
    pro-Reagan, worry about economic issues."  Favor Bush, 83-12 percent.
    Disaffecteds (11% of electorate):  "Pessimistic, alienated, financially
    pressured, worry about nation's current course."  Favor Bush, 60-26 percent.
    Followers (7% of electorate):  "Young, politically apathetic, worry about
    loss of jobs due to foreign competition."  Favor Dukakis, 60-28 percent.
    Seculars (7% of electorate):  "Non-religious, non-militant, tolerant,
    educated, worry about economy and Central America."  Favor Dukakis, 61-33
    percent.

    Democratic Groups:
    '60s Democrats (10% of electorate):  "Religious, non-militant, tolerant,
    educated, pro-government, worry about social justice issues."  Favor
    Dukakis, 84-10 percent.
    New Dealers (10 percent of electorate):  "Older, pro-government, pro-union,
    socially conservative, worry about foreign competition."  Favor Dukakis,
    72-15 percent.
    Partisan Poor (10 percent of electorate):  "Militantly Democratic,
    pro-social spending, worry about drug abuse, unemployment, social justice."
    Favor Dukakis, 62-25 percent.
    God and Country Democrats (8 percent of electorate):  "Older, religious,
    poor, patriotic, wory about drugs, crime, foreign competition."  Favor
    Dukakis, 62-25 percent.

    Now, it seems to me there are two groups among these that would potentially
    be receptive to the Libertarian Party:  the Enterprisers and the Seculars.
    Together, they account for 18 percent of the electorate, not enough to make
    a major party.  Moreover, neatly two thirds of the Libertarian Party's
    support under such a scenario would have to come from the GOP's core
    support, and if the Libertarian Party were able to win their allegiance, the
    Republican Party would be left with a core that constitutes less than an
    eighth of the electorate.  Moreover, we would have to hope that the Seculars
    are either pro-free market or at least apathetic toward economic issues, and
    likewise, we'd have to hope that the Enterprisers are either social
    libertarians or not hostile to a radically libertarian view on social
    issues.  On top of that. we would have to hope that the Enterprisers are
    either foreign-policy isolationists or relatively unconcerned with foreign
    affairs.  In short, it would be a very uneasy alliance.

    The Republican Party's success in recent years has come because its core
    constituencies, the Enterprisers and the Moralists, are able to get along.
    The Enterprisers don't care all that much about social issues, and the
    Moralists are pro-free market enough.  Both, I suspect, support the
    Republican Party's hard-line foreign policy.

    The Democratic Party's lack of success in national politics has come because
    of the direct conflicts among its core constituencies.  The God and Country
    Democrats cannot abide the '60s Democrats any more than anyone else can.
    The Democrats' core groups, then, are unable to unite behind a national
    candidate, but, because the groups tend to be distributed unevenly by
    region, state and local candidates can do quite well.

    Your hypothesis about a rise to power of the Libertarian Party out of the
    ashes of the Democrats is silly.  First, it would require a split in the
    Republican Party which would leave it in the hands of Moralists, and
    probably turn it into a fringe party.  Secondly, it takes no account of the
    38% of the electorate that makes up the Democratic core groups.

    Of course, you might simply reject Times-Mirror's methodology, but so far
    you haven't offered any data to support your conclusions.  I remain
    unconvinced that your analysis is anything more than wishful thinking.

    (NOTE:  The survey data I cited can be found in an advertisement on today's
    New York Times op-ed page.)

    Message: 55211
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last few
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 16:31:28

    It seems to me that the Disaffecteds would also be potentially receptive to
    the Libertarian Party, bringing the total to 29% of the electorate.

    Message: 55212
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 18:40:06

    Well, the Disaffecteds are rather vaguely defined, but it seems to me Rod
    Williams and, to a lesser extent, Ann Oudin would be good examples of this
    category.  Rod, of course, has become an "advocate" of the Libertarian
    Party, but before that he was an "advocate" of Lenora Fulani, another
    minor-party candidate who supports such things as socialized medicine and
    nationalizing the press.  The Disaffecteds might be drawn to minor parties
    because they are alienated from the major parties, but I don't think they
    could ever be considered a reliable part of any political coalition.

    Message: 55213
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: This weekend
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 19:53:28

    I met Paul Krassner and Paul MacCready.

    I met a guy who was amazed to find out that I was really a Libertarian
    (including isolationist policies, free borders - he said that most Ls that
    he meets are conservatives who are civil libertarians)

    Message: 55214
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 20:18:23

    Paul who?

    Message: 55215
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Anyone..
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 21:13:32

            Want to post a [V]ote about the election?  Here we are just a few
    days before and I think I have all whom I am going to vote for picked out.
    No, it is not a strait ticket...  I have never voted a strait ticket...
    I have even Voted for Democrats... and this time there are even a few
    Libertarians (2) that I am considering...  One for sure.  And...one Democrat
    that could turn into two as well by Tuesday.  But for President... I am
    going to Vote for Bush!
            Note:  I have been talking to many people that are for Bush, but do
    not plan on voting because they think he is going to win by a landslide.
    Every one I know who wants The Democrats in are planning to VOTE!
    I don't like the sound of that...so you Voters out there, get out and do
    your duty...  If ya don't vote, ya don't have the right to Bitch!

    Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote!

    Back to posting a [V]ote... Anyone?  Just upload it to me in mail!  I don't
    wish to be accused of twisting words... so I post them as worded by the
    sender!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=* *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55216
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Stamp Collection
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 23:39:57

            Any Stamp collectors out there....
    I have a US collection of Stamps and a United Nations collection that I wish
    to sell...  Plate Blocks, Sheets, singles.... etc....

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*   843-3346

    Message: 55218
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The comics
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 08:12:51

    Berke Breathed does it again! Last week he refered to Bush & Dukakis as 'The
    Shrimp and the Wimp' - this week he refered to Bentson and Qualye as 'The
    Codger and the Dodger'! He hit it right on the nail head there! All you
    voters are going to put your X after these well discribed politicians.
    WHY????
    Be different! * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * Show the parties you want nothing to do
    with their fare - no Shrimpy, Whimpy, old Codgers and Dodgers! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55219
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last...Ann
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 09:59:13

            I joined the Navy to stay out of the jungles of Vietnam... Does thak
    make me a "Dodger" too?   If you think that, I will be very offended.
    I think there is nothing wrong with joining the National Gaurd, and there
    were thousands of men that join other branches of service... and you have
    insulted every one of them.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55220
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Election
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 15:23:03

    Note to all:

    Please vote tomorrow, and please don't throw your vote away.  Regardless of
    whom you hate the most or least, remember that one of those two candidates
    is going to pick the next three Supreme Court judges.  Wimp or Shrimp, one
    of 'em is gonna do it, so help by throwing your vote in the same direction
    you lean politically.

    Message: 55221
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Liar
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 16:32:53

    Re: "all men and women are liars"

    That is an interesting observation Rod; we could probably extend that on to
    a number of other "no no's" as well.

    Message: 55222
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Working Women
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 17:29:17

    From Az. Republic:

    Working women help U.S. families retain buying power, study
    indicates

      WASHIGTON - An increase in the number of women working
    outside the home has allowed most American families to retain
    the buying power they had 10 years ago, according to a study
    released Saturday.
      Forty percent of familes, however, had not kept pace with
    the increasing cost of living over the past decade, said the
    study by the Economic Policy Institute.
      The head of the liberal think tank said the report shows
    average American families have been under greater economic
    pressure during the past decade than at any time since World
    War II.
      The institute, established in 1986 by prominent liberal
    economists, describes itself as a non-partisan, non-profit
    group.  It has opposed the conservative economic policies of
    the Reagan administration.
      The report says salaries for most women have increased
    faster than inflation, while salaries for all but the richest
    American men have not kept up.
      Economists Stephen Rose of Seattle and David Fasenfest of
    Louisville, Ky., who wrote the report, said they used
    statistical methods that take into account family size.  They
    also used the most conservative cost-of-living figures to
    overcome objections to previous studies that also showed
    widening inequality and slow income growth.
      Some conservative economists have argued that Americans are
    doing better because families are smaller even if family
    incomes have not kept up with inflation.

    Message: 55224
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: "Free" Market
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 17:41:54

    From Az. Republic:

    Antitrust laws unenforced, consumer group says

      WASHINGTON - Consumer advocates charged Saturday that the
    Federal Trade Commission has failed to enforce antitrust laws
    under President Reagan giving business too much of a free
    hand in mergers that are unhealthful for consumers and the
    economy.
      Public Citizen, a consumer- and environmental-interest
    group founded by Ralph Nader, said in a new study that the
    United States is going through an unprecedented wave of
    corporate mergers and acquisitions.
      Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen, said former
    FTC Chairman James Miller and current Chairman Daniel Oliver
    "are the James Watt and Anne Burford (Gorsuch) of antitrust."
      In the early years of the Reagan administration,
    environmental activists scorned Watt, former interior
    secretary, and Gorsuch, former head of the Environmental
    Protection Agency, for actions the activists felt were more
    harmful than helpful.
      The study called for reforms that would require merging
    firms to file an economic-impact statement with the FTC.
    Public Citizen also called on the FTC to inform Congress of
    its reasons when it decides not to intervene in mergers of
    big companies.
      The study said the 10 largest mergers in U.S. history took
    place during the Reagan administration.
      The report also said the FTC has brought only 13 cases
    against mergers during seven years of the Reagan
    administration, compared with 22 cases in the four years of
    the Carter administration.

    Message: 55226
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 18:28:33

    Vote how you feel you should vote.  Only a write-in vote for a unofficial
    write-in (in Arizona, anyway) is a 'thrown-away' vote.  If you don't
    like Bush or Dukakis, and can find things you like with Ron Paul or Ms.
    Fulani, by all means vote for them.  If you want to support the fight that
    George McGovern is behind, by all means make sure you do the write-in for
    that correctly.

    Remember, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

    Message: 55227
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dukakis
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 19:41:58

    Michael Dukakis has had a hoarse voice for the past few days.  Today he saw
    a doctor who diagnosed his problem:  he is infected with a computer virus.

    Message: 55228
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 22:29:20

    Ahhhhhh Shut-up you old fart.

    Message: 55229
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: old...
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 22:52:16

    Mail from Bill Burkett
    Date: 10/31/88  Time: 08:50:59

    Cliff, here's the [V]ote I said I'd post for you.  Use it if you like:

    For which candidate for U.S. Senate do you plan to vote?

    [A] Dennis DeConcini, Democrat
    [B] Keith DeGreen, Republican
    [C] Ed Finklestein, New Alliance Party
    [D] Rick Thompkins, Libertarian

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 7    [B] 10   [C] 2    [D] 10

    I had [V]oted for the Libertarian, but since the Race has heated up between
    DeConcini and DeGreen, I am going to [V]ote for DeGreen now.  It is time to
    get DeConcini out of there....  and DeGreen is the ONLY chance.  I beg you
    guys not to waste a [V]ote on the Libertarian in this case....  even if you
    are still going to Vote for Paul.  Sandy is also changing her Vote to
    DeGreen.
            So subtract two from [D] and add them to [B]   (12 to 8)

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55230
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ANN
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 00:55:24

         From what I had heard, it is practiced by both - but I will recheck my
    sources on that one, as Paul's explanation sounds more plausible.

    Message: 55231
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: DeGreen
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 05:22:51

    Keith DeGreen, the lifelong Democrat turned Republican when it became
    "convenient" to do so for personal ambition, the man who couldn't care
    enough to vote in Arizona for the past three general elections, has run a
    "below the belt" campaign, full of distortions, false innuendoes and
    outright lies.
    Senator DeConcini has disproved those lies by taking some of them to the
    Drpartment of Justice, who found absolutely no improprieties with either of
    his family's land deals. The DeGreen commercial purporting to quote
    DeConcini as saying he wasn't listening to the people back home was a remark
    taken totally out of context many years ago (listen to the voice! A much
    younger DeConcini!), when the then aspiring senator was pointing out, I
    think, Carl Hayden's record run in the office.
     I have had three different occassions to use Senator Deconcini's office to
    deal with personal problems with various beaurocrats, and found him to be a
    very caring, very interested man, who was indeed sensitive to the issues
    that involve us back home, and who never failed to act in a timely and
    positive manner on a request. I didn't always get the result I hoped for,
    but I always got the satisfaction of knowing that my Senator and his staff
    did their best on my behalf.
    Since my family (wife and stepson) were aware of the action at those times,
    you can count 3 votes for Senator, and STILL Senator aftere today, Dennis
    DeConcini.

    Message: 55232
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff - you got ...
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 06:14:25

    .. me wrong! I was only quoting Berke Breathed and thought that was
    halarious! Regarding the word 'Dodger' - I have nothing against anyone
    trying to get out of - away from the Viet Nam war! Opps - pardon me, I meant
    Police action! If my son had been elgeble at the time, I would have paid for
    his trip to Cananda! I hate war - PERIOD - that one most of all! It was
    senseless and needless! YEt if we had another like World War II- I'd
    volenteer! There was a big difference! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55233
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dennis D....
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 09:33:51

            I am not upset he made lots of money from that land deal...  even if
    he broke no laws, it did sound a little shady.  I am not even upset that he
    wanted to send 7 million to his son's dance school....   I could care less
    about his voting record in the state of Arizona...  As I recall it is not a
    crime not to Vote... I know many good people that do not Vote every
    election.  DeConcini even seems like a nice guy to me....  But politicaly I
    do not agree with him and he has been in too long... Power corrupts.
            Vote for Keith DeGreen......

            For County Assessor vote for Ira Friedman...  I am against Milt
    Novkov for the same reasons that I am against DeConcini...  Novkov was also
    cleared of wrong doing... but it sounded shady to me regardless.

    Keith DeGreen [Yes]
    Ira Friedman  [YES]

            But no matter whom you plan to Vote for...get out and [VOTE]!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55234
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 09:58:20

        No, it's not a crime not to vote, but you just got through saying how
    you were suspicious of people involved in shady dealings, even if there was
    no crime committed.  Not voting, especialy if you claim to be politicaly
    involved, is shady.
        As far as the presidential race goes, any vote for someone besides Bush
    might be considered "thrown away." Bush will carry Arizona.  Period.  No one
    has ever suggested that he wouldn't carry this state, even in a close race.
        But the real reason to get out and vote are the local candidates and the
    propositions.  I voted around 8 this morning.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55235
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: DeGreen
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 11:46:33

            Just got back from the polls...
    Aunt Edith, Aunt Dotty, Uncle Walter, Brother Bob and his wife Sandy, Sandy
    SYSOP and myself...  for DeGreen... 7 Votes!  He may not get it, but we
    tried!
            Needless to say... we all Voted for BUSH! and we feel GOOD about it.

    Have you Voted today?  (at the Real election, not my little poll)

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    Message: 55236
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 12:57:56

    I think I oppose antitrust laws, but I want to research the time they were
    enacted to see if they were really necessary.

    Message: 55237
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Vote
    Subject: [V]oting
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 14:54:33

    It looks like by the [V]ote on this system Bush is in the lead by 5 to 2 out
    of 7 total voters.....  (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA)

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    Message: 55238
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 16:48:32

    Obviously DeConcini will still be a senator after today; his term doesn't
    end until Jan. 3.  The question is, will he still be a senator then?

    Message: 55239
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bush
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 16:49:25

    Well, Bush has been declared the winner in Indiana and Kentucky, so he's
    seven ninetieths of the way to victory.

    Message: 55240
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: IBM
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 18:05:03

                          IBMers and EX-IBMers
      I am an ex-IBMer who is now a political advocate of privacy
    laws.  Seeking individuals who have witnessed or experienced
    some of the unusual things that occur in IBM.  Most
    interested in the company's force-out techniques and
    "Mental leaves-of-absence."  Please summarize the information
    or personal experience on one or two pages and mail to:
                         c/o P.O. Box 671554
                      Marietta, GA  30067-0026
    Your confidentiality is assured.  Please leave me with some
    method of contacting you.
                     Ad Placed By Terry Conway

    More from Az. Republic:
    Brewer's fliers fight communist tag

      In an attempt to combat early-morning telephone calls that
    she says are sabotaging her campaign, state Sen. Jan Brewer,
    R-Glendale, passed out 8,000 fliers Saturday in Sun City to
    counter claims she is a communist.
      The calls, which have been made recently from midnight to
    6 a.m., ask people to vote for "Comrade Jan Brewer on
    Election Day so we can fly the communist flag in District
    19."
      Brewer's fliers say the callers are from the Arizona
    Communist Party, but Terry Choate Jr. claims he made them.
      Choate is still upset with her for her opposition to his
    plan to build a memorial to the anti-war movement of the
    1960s in the far west Valley.  The monument would have flown
    the North Vietnamese flag over it.
      "Just helping her with her campaign," Choate said, adding,
    "Back in 1986, she helped me with my peace park.  She was so
    helpful that we couldn't build it."
      Earlier in the campaign, Choate posted fliers calling
    Brewer "our own dear Comrade Janbo."
      Brewer said reaction to the calls has been unfavorable.
      "When you have 60 people call a day and say they are not
    going to vote for you, that's a good percentage," Brewer
    said.
      Her fliers say the phone calls are a "slanderous attempt to
    confuse voters."
      She said that the fliers seem to be helping.  Some
    constituents called it a "horrible, horrible incident, and
    they knew it couldn't have been me," Brewer said.
      Her opponent, Democrat Carol Griffin, was unavailable for
    comment Saturday.

    Message: 55243
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Bush in '88
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 18:24:33

    Well it is 227 for Bush and a wompin stompin 16 for Dutaxus!!!!

    What a close race!

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    Message: 55244
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 19:22:28

    I voted for DeGreen too, as well as everyone else in my family.  At this
    time, I don't think DeGreen will win, but it was sure fun to see DeConcini
    sweat it out.  Maybe he'll think a little harder about representing the
    State of Arizona instead of his daughters on the next important Senate vote.

    Message: 55245
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Vote
    Subject: BUSH
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 20:04:57

    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
    BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH

    Message: 55246
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 20:11:23

       Get the picture?

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    This IS an elephant for you dopes that can't figure it out!

    Message: 55247
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:13:45

    Gee, what an intelligent and informative message. Didn't your momma tell you
    that if you didn't stop Bushterbating, you'd go blind?

    Message: 55248
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Election Results
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:15:10

    Sieg heil. Bush uber alles. Jawohl.

    Message: 55249
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: This Whole Fiasco
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:20:36

    Another four years of Republican leadership.

    Message: 55250
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Bush...Daryl/Chris
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:38:25

            Comeone Daryl, I thought it was a cute elephant... don't be a sore
    loser...  Now let's all work together and get this country moving forward.

            Even all you (few) Libertarians that pulled less than 1% by throwing
    away your vote, (you gave no one a message) Get back on board and lets go
    to work making a better place to live.

            Boy, I am glad that is over....  what a fight!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55251
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Daryl/again
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:42:41

            If you wish to go into business yourself like you have said... you
    had better be happy it was a Republican victory.  Or do you like the
    Government running your life and business?

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55252
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Vote
    Subject: DeConcini
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 22:58:49

    It is too bad that he got back in!

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    Message: 55253
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 05:52:57

    How do you figure that the government HASN'T been running our life and
    business these last 8 years? If it isn't the big Washington government, it's
    the local one that hamstrings us at every turn - the man in business for
    himself gets stuck the worst everytime! I said it six months ago and I'll
    say it again - politicians are NOT the friend of the people!!

    Now that Bush is in (no surprise here) - we can only hope that we indeed
    voted for the lessor of two evils. It was a dirty campaign and I for one am
    glad it's over - it wasn't pleasent to watch and hear! Maybe - just maybe
    Bush will at least be a fair president. But above and beyond the candidates,
    I abhored the press most of all! Their egos are tremendous and I believe the
    reason this campaign was so dirty was mainly because of them. They
    instigated most of it and kept it going. Peter Jennings is a smug egotist
    that thinks he knows everything and his word is sacred. David Brinkley? What
    is that cadaver still doing reporting the news anyway? There is not a
    simular woman reporting the news - they don't have women on TV that has that
    many wrinkles and that old. I resent that! The oldest one is Barbara Walters
    and she's had so many face lifts to keep her wrinkle free. At the debates,
    all the reporters were rude to the candidates and searched for dirt reather
    than the issues. The press swayed the voters more than the candidates by
    far. Politics used to be fun - not now.
    Did anyone find out what the Libertarian candidate did? I did not hear one
    thing mentioned and have not read the paper yet. I watched ABC! =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55254
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chris on BUSH BUSH
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 06:52:22

    THat message alone was justification for a 1200 baud modem! EGADS!!!

    Message: 55255
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: requiem/election
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 07:02:15

    Well, it's all over but the shouting or the wailing, depending on which side
    you were on.
    Actually, I don't feel all that uncomfortable with Bush as president, but am
    glad that a Democratic controled congress will provide a balance to the
    executive branch.
    I just hope and pray that they will learn early on to work together for the
    good of all Americans.
    On the local scene, the thing that I find most disturbing is the indication,
    (at 11 last night) that Wayne Stump was winning in Dist. 16. I just can't
    believe that there are still that many die-hard Mechamites who still have
    their blinders on in this neighborhood. THis guy is a total joke, and I just
    wish that I could wish him well in his return to private life. Oh well.
    Out to get a paper to see the finals.

    Message: 55256
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 07:10:47

    Hey........Chrissy.......

    In all due respect............If your two posts are any indication, you'd be
    better off going into art as a full time job, than politics.  I think....

    See Y'aa.......

    Jeannie

    Message: 55257
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dan Rather
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 11:48:59

    Just as President-Elect Bush was about to give his acceptance speech, Dan
    Rather commented on the fact that Bush was now wearing glasses instead of
    the usual contact lens that he had been campaigning with.

    Thank you, Dan, for that most informative and insightful comment.

    Message: 55258
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ANN/POUND SEIZURES
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 12:36:35

         After rechecking my info, I found you're absolutely correct.  Not that
    it makes things any better.
         I also learned that a big customer of pound animals is the University
    of Arizona.  So much for "higher education", eh?

    Message: 55259
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Spelling:
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 13:19:54

    I think she's great, I think she's neat, I wouldn't swap her for all the tea
    in China, (and I know my spelling isn't that great either), but:

    What scatter-brained blond Corvette driver left the following spelling gems
    on this BBS over the past 7 days?

    abhored               pleasent
    acidently             Preditor
    Cananda               quarenteen
    deffinately           reather
    elgeble               redily
    fabulas               sculker
    halarious             sellection
    havn't                siezures
    honerable             simular
    nieve                 thoughly
    Opps                  volenteer

    Message: 55260
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: election results
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 16:24:53

    How some Libertarians did in Arizona:
    President:
       George Bush  675,217   60.1%
       Michael Dukakis  434,578  38.7
       Ron Paul (Lib)  12,594  1.1
       Lenora Fulani  1,583   .1

    U.S. Senator:
       Dennis DeConcini  629,179  56.3
       Keith DeGreen  463,113  41.5  (wasted votes)
       Rick Tompkins (Lib)  19,602  1.8
       Ed Finkelstein  4,887  .4

    U.S. Rep. District 4:
       Jon Kyl  194,588  88.0
       Gary Sprunk (Lib)  26,577  12.0

    Rick Fowlkes, the Libertarian candidate for Corporation Commissioner, got
    over 3%, but I don't have the exact numbers.

    Does anyone have the totals for the national popular vote for president?

    Message: 55261
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: America
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 16:28:17

    So the guy who played "Cooter" on the show "The Dukes of Hazzard" is now a
    U.S. Rep thanks to his opponent being indicted.  What's his main issue of
    concern going to be?  Getting Boss Hogg out of power?

    Message: 55262
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last on Boss Hogg
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 16:56:06

         Are you implying that anyone that played an "Auto Tweeker" on TV will
    not make a good politician?
            If all the Votes that went to DeGreen (that you called wasted) would
    have gone to the Libertarian... it still would not have made a damn.  The
    Votes that were truly wasted were those for Ron Paul...  He got less than
    any other Libertarian running in this state...  (percentage wise)  1.1 %
    I am afraid that at 1.1%, no one and I mean NO ONE is going to get anysort
    of message.  Of course, if he did well in other states, I may eat them
    words....

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55263
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Trickle Up
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 18:06:10

    U.S. givers face limits, expert says
    Cannot fill gap left by federal cutbacks
    By Carol Sowers, The Arizona Republic
      American philanthropists, accustomed to promoting
    generosity, must learn to say no, a national philanthropic
    expert said Thursday.
      James Joseph, president of the Council of American
    Foundations in Washington, said philanthropists are suffering
    from a "new unrealism" that assumes they can fill the gap
    left by dwindling federal dollars for human services.
      During a visit to Phoenix to help celebrate the 10th
    anniversary of the charitable Arizona Community Foundation,
    Joseph said in an interview that charities cannot fill the
    chasm left by federal budget cuts for such things.
      "It will behoove us to begin talking about our limits,"
    said Joseph, who was an undersecretary of the Department of
    Interior for then-President Carter.  He said that in the
    past, foundation grants were used to find cures for diseases
    and "creative and innovative ways" to solve problems.
      However, much of the $6.3 billion given by charitable
    foundations last year was used to keep people alive rather
    than discover why they are dying, he said:
      "If we have to use foundation money to feed the homeless,
    who is going to find the reason why they are homeless?"
    Joseph asked.
      "You could use all foundation money to treat AIDS victims,
    but who is going to find the cure?"
      Debate continues over how many of society's problems should
    be shouldered by private foundations and how many of them
    should be the responsibility of the federal government,
    Joseph said.
      One of the challenges facing directors of American
    foundations seeking contributions is to create a "sense of
    community" among corporations and other donors, he said.
      Corporate donations leveled off to $4.5 billion in 1986 and
    1987 but will increase if executives are convinced of the
    need to improve their communities, Joseph said.
      He disagreed with a 1987 observation by urban-affairs
    expert Neal Peirce, who said Valley residents and
    corporations are tightfisted and reluctant to donate money to
    charities, social-service agencies and the arts.
      "Phoenix is like any other young city," he said.
    "Newcomers still bestow their benevolence on the cities they
    came from.
      "But I would be optimistic about the future.  The next
    layer of newcomers will feel a commitment to Phoenix."

    Message: 55265
    Author: Gil Howard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: DEA BBS
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:01:30

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    Message: 55266
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd Reese
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:09:52

    How are you related to Keith DeGreen, and who else in your family was
    running for office?  Did any of them win?

    Message: 55267
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Neal's elephant
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:10:08

    I thought it was Dukakis's tank.

    Message: 55268
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:11:11

    Will you please shut up?

    Message: 55269
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Election
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:11:25

    All hail!  Bush/Quayle!

    Message: 55270
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: News Digest
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 19:14:25

    From the state-by-state election breakdown in today's New York Times:

    MONTANA

         Early projections indicated that Senator John Melcher, a Democrat, lost
    his bid for a third term against Conrad Burns, a Republican.  Mr. Burns, a
    newcomer to politics, had little money and did not prove as adept a
    campaigner as party officials had hoped.  But as the campaign ended,
    Republicans said Mr. Burns had closed in on the incumbent Democrat.  That
    was despite the Senator's renewed use of talking cows in his television
    commercials.

    Message: 55271
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 20:24:09

    Talking cows can only help so much.

    Message: 55272
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cooter
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 20:27:46

    I have my doubts about "The Dukes of Hazzard" on a politician's resume.
       The votes for DeGreen were wasted because DeGreen is an idiot.
       As for Ron Paul, if he did better than 500,000 votes (which I believe he
    did), then that's quite an improvement over the 200,000 or so votes that
    David Bergland received in 1984.
       I believe Bergland only received about 5,000 votes in Arizona.

    Message: 55273
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 21:35:42

    Which leaves us with what point ?

    Message: 55274
    Author: Thomas Hart
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 22:00:17

    I was only kidding, of course.  Your prompts are fine.

    Message: 55275
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Mike on Jim...
    Date: 11/09/88  Time: 23:09:45

            I guess he is pointing out there were 200,000 people who voted for a
    Loser in 1984...and we are waiting to see how many people wasted their Votes
    in 1988 by voting for another loser...
            I guess the People who did vote Libertarian sent me a message after
    all...  Not to pay attention to them next time around... Too radical to get
    serious votes.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55277
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim L...
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 00:28:24

            It is so unlike you to post a low hitting post....
    ... DeGreen "Wasted Votes"    DeGreen Idiot?

            Pray tell, are you BITTER that the Libertarians did not do as well
    as you had hoped?

            I voted for Rick Fowlkes for "Corporation Commissioner"... Could you
    see some one with his platform in that post... ha ha ha ha...  It would have
    driven them CRazzy!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55278
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ex-actors
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 05:02:31

    Don't we all know bu now that former actors make lousy politicians?
    (smile Cliff)

    Message: 55279
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: TODD/RATHER
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 06:43:37

            That's something that irritated me throughout this entire campaign:
    The way the press (for lack of a better term) has constantly made
    irrelevant, yet slightly derogatory, comments about Bush.  Rather's
    comments, such as that about the contact lenses, can't be denied, or even
    really argued with without seeming petty.  Yet, these "little asides" add up
    to create a generally unfavorable perspective.
            It's like making snide, but not outright rude, remarks about "those
    people down the street," or a not-so-favorite cousin.  ("Oh, Evelyn.  How
    nice to see you.  Have you started using dress shields?")
            I doubt we would have ever heard Rather say "Well, I see Michael
    Dukakis trimmed his eyebrow."
            The constant reference to "negative" advertising is another example.
     In the rest of the advertising world these are called "comparative" ads.  I
    wonder why, when applied to a political campaign, they're suddenly
    "negative."
            xxxooo

    Message: 55280
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Gary - thanks but..
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:46:20

    .. I am not a blond anymore! As for the spelling errors - I type fast and do
    not edit much. But my points are made. Now - lets go on to your faults.
    OOPS! Sorry - there isn't enough lines here to even get started - you 'man'
    you!!!! =+= Annie the Corvette owner! =+=

    Message: 55281
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/bush
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:54:02

    "All Hail! Bush/Quayle"? Sounds like a slogan from the Hitler regime!
    And while your at it - why don't you shut up for a change?

    Message: 55282
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Peter/pound
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:54:47

    You said the U.A. uses pound animals? How can I prove that? =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55283
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jim/Lib.
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:56:09

    Where did you get that information in message # 55260? I scanned the paper
    and could find nothing but a few senate races that mentioned Libertarians.
    =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55284
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 07:56:31

    But you voted for a loser too. =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55285
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Screen credits
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:33:11

       I don't think having "The Dukes of Hazzard" on your resume is any worse
    than having "Bedtime for Bonzo."

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55286
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Losers
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:38:04

       Aw, come on Cliff.  As I said before, in Arizona, any vote for anyone
    besides Bush was a "wasted" vote.  No WAY was Arizona going to go for
    Dukakis, even when he was 20% ahead of Bush in the polls nationaly.  Given
    that, those that didn't favor Bush might as well indulge themselves with a
    protest vote.
       I see Prop. 106 squeaked by.  I wonder how those living in Table, Garlic,
    and Walnut, Arizona (formerly Mesa, Ajo, and Nogales) are going to like it.
    I also wonder how much it's going to cost to take down all those "Now
    leaving Phoenix -- !Adios Amigos!" signs.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55287
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Calif. Republicans
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 08:43:24

        I saw on GEnie that the Republican party in California was providing
    security for some of the polling places.  That is, they had uniformed
    security guards outside some of the polls, who would confront Hispanic
    voters, informing them that it was a felony for non-citizens to vote.
        The Republican party of California doesn't exactly deny it.  They say
    that the guards were there for "informative" purposes.
        Voter intimidation?  Naw, not the Republicans....
        The guards left after the CA voting office ordered them to.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55288
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Popular vote
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 09:01:50

    Bush:    47,946,422  54%  (National)    698,300  61%  (Arizona)
    Dukakis: 41,016,429  46%  (National)    451,280  39%  (Arizona)

    Electoral votes:
    Bush:    429  79%
    Dukakis: 112  21%

        If anyone one wants to know why I don't like the Electoral College, the
    above figures should explain it.  The actual final vote totals will be a
    little higher -- a few states had one or two precints still to report.  I'm
    guessing on Bush's electoral vote count -- the paper only gave the count for
    Dukakis.  Dukakis carried ten states plus Washington D.C. -- better than
    Mondale I suppose, but a far cry from winning.  Mondale carried only
    Minnisota (his home state) and D.C.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55289
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Wasted Votes...
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 10:14:10

            I do not consider my *VOTE* for DeGreen "wasted".   He did have a
    small chance to make it and I went for it.   However, Ron Paul had NO
    chance of making it, and voting for him was a waste of a vote and your time
    going to the polls.  (other than maybe your vote on propositions)
            Most of what I voted for...got in!

            Now, for your distorted ideas of what 106 will do are just plain
    silly!  Basicly in a nut shell, it is to help prevent us from becoming
    another "Canada".  It's not going to get the road signs taken down...

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55290
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Electoral College
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 10:22:12

            I agree with A-L-A-N, in that I don't like the Electoral College.
    I think it should be Popular Vote...  Somehow it would make your Vote count
    for more in a state such as Arizona.   How do we go about changing such a
    thing?  I hear talk after every presidential election, but nothing comes of
    it.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55291
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: vote results
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 11:03:06

    They were in yesterday's Gazette.

    Message: 55292
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: wasted votes
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 11:09:02

    My comment regarding a vote for DeGreen being "wasted" was for your benefit,
    Cliff, since you've been railing about votes for Libertarians being wasted.
    Looking at the percentage of votes DeGreen received, it's clear he had no
    chance of winning.  And he *is*, an idiot.  While I would be happy to have
    seen DeConcini turned out of office, the charges DeGreen brought against him
    were mostly groundless misrepresentations.  And seeing an interview of
    DeGreen on television made it quite clear that he is an opportunistic
    sleazeball.

    Elections are not horseraces, though--any vote for a candidate you think
    should be in office is not a wasted vote, no matter how few votes that
    candidate gets.  Voting for a candidate you don't want to get into
    office--that is a wasted vote.

    Message: 55293
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last on waste...
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 12:06:24

            After listening to some Libertarians and seeing their pulling power
    for votes, I now will lump them in with the Communist Party and no longer
    even refer to them.  I do not recognize the Libertarians as a valid party.
            By the way, All Politicians are "opportunistic"!  As for the
    "Sleaze" factor, maybe so, but I smell something wrong with DeConcini
    wanting to give 7 million in "TAX" money to his son's dance school.... and
    then there is all that money he made from that land deal....  He may even be
    innocent, but if Mecham had done any such thing...you would be out to HANG
    him.
            I stand by my Vote for DeGreen....  Even if it was only to break
    DeConcini's longstanding grip on Arizona.   A Vote for the Libertarian did
    not even count to show DeConcini that his constituents are not pleased.  So
    small in fact, the media won't even waste ink printing it.
            Last:  Yes, I suppose you have the right to Vote for whom you
    please...  And if you feel good with the results...fine!  I have no problem
    with that.   I just can't help to wonder, if the Libertarians got into
    power...if we would soon lose that right?  Things that sound too good are
    generally traps.  Ask the people who let Communism in.... they can't vote
    otherwise.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55294
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: War!
    Subject: GARY
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 13:05:24

    I resent and *abhorred it that you called me a 'Scatter Brain blond'!
    You sound like some *predator animal that needs to be put in
    *quarantine! They ought to send you to *Canada! I would be the first to
    *volunteer to do just that - in my *fabulous Corvette! You *definitely
    are not *honorable and must surely suffer from brain *seizures! You are
    very *naive and not *pleasant! You *readily judge me and don't look in
    your own backyard first! You *haven't any class to call me such names.
    You are worse than a 'skulker'! To compliment you would be to call you
    *hilarious at best! You were *accidently born to woman! I'd *rather
    associate with my dag --- *OOPS -- I mean my dog! You are *eligible for
    the mental hospital down on Van Buren. You are *thoroughly mean to say
    the least. You are *similar to a toad. You made the wrong *selection
    when you insulted this cookie! =+= Annie the AssP =+=

    P.S. I did not proof read this to show you I can spell. If you find any
    mistakes ---- 'STUFF THEM!

    Message: 55295
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Last
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 14:19:25

    Are you feeling o.k.?

    ----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8
    *s

    Message: 55296
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/last
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 15:01:45

    Annie,  I *love* it when you talk like that!  I'm sorry I called you a
    blond.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 55297
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 15:40:25

    Re: "insulted this cookie! =+= Annie the AssP =+="

    Ann, you have a real way with words!  BTW, what is a "AssP"?

    Message: 55298
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 16:29:16

    What did you expect the Libertarians to do?  Get 40% of the vote?  I think a
    200% increase in votes since the last election is substantial.
       As for your uncontrollable wondering, that's rather ludicrous.  The
    Libertarian Party is completely straightforward about the changes they would
    make to the government, unlike certain other parties which say one thing in
    election year promises and then do something completely different.
    The voting records of Libertarians who have been elected speak for
    themselves (such as Andre Marrou in the Alaskan state Senate and even Ron
    Paul when he was a Republican in the U.S. House).

    Message: 55299
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Lib's
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:07:16

            I would think they would get maybe 10%....  not 1%
    Have you gotten the nation wide Libertarian Vote results yet?  I would like
    to hear it before you spout out 200% increase.   As we are talking National
    Partys
            And, if every thing they offer is so good...where are the Votes?

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55300
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard's 55271
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:14:31

    Sure, that's what you say now.  Just a couple of weeks ago, you were saying
    you'd never run against a politician who had talking cows.

    Message: 55301
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:14:45

    Bergland got 10,585 votes in Arizona.

    Message: 55302
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hamilton
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:15:15

    429+112=541.  Where do you get the extra three electoral votes?

    Message: 55303
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:16:11

    Don't be silly.  Dan Quayle wasn't even born until after Hitler died.
    On the other hand, Michael Dukakis was born before Benito Mussolini died.

    All hail!  Bush Quayle!

    Message: 55304
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 17:21:43

    The Electoral College makes votes in small states such as Arizona count for
    more than those in large states.  For example, in 1984, there were 146,556
    votes cast in Arizona for every electoral vote.  In California, there were
    202,243 votes cast for every electoral vote.  Thus, one Arizona vote was
    equivalent to 1.38 California votes.

    Message: 55305
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Git Litirit
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 18:19:20

    From Az. Republic:

    Book commits capital crime

      TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The capital of Florida is Jacksonville.
      At least, that's what a new book designed to enlighten
    cultural and geographical illiterates says.
      *The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy: What Every American
    Needs to Know*, makes no mention of Tallahassee, Florida's
    actual capital.
      But on Page 382, in the chapter "American Geography," is
    this listing: "Jacksonville - Capital of FLORIDA, located in
    northeastern Florida."
      The chapter begins, "Tests have revealed that many
    Americans are amazingly ignorant of the geography of their
    nation."
    ...
    Take this bus and drive it; rider says, 'OK'

      SANTA ANA, Calif. - A bus driver whose vehicle was
    commandeered by a passenger who accepted his challenge to
    "drive this better than I can" has been fired, transit
    officials said.
      Kim Dale Miller, 36, was dismissed Friday, a day after his
    case was heard by an Orange County Transit District
    committee, said spokeswoman Claudia Keith.
      The driver was dismissed for berating a passenger and
    leaving a bus unattended, Keith said.
      Witnesses said Miller got off his bus Oct. 19 after
    challenging passenger James Biddle to do a better job at the
    wheel.
      Biddle, a 52-year-old Buena Park engineer, said that he
    complained about the driver's berating a passenger and that
    he also chided Miller about his driving.
      At that point, Biddle said, Miller told him, "I suppose you
    think you can drive this better than I can."
      When Biddle said he could, Miller got off the bus and stood
    on a corner, arms folded, as Biddle drove away.
      Biddle carried the vehicle's 31 passengers more than a
    mile, stopping to let people off and on, before police
    stopped him.  Passengers said later that Biddle made change,
    gave them transfer tickets and was courteous.
      Biddle was cited for joy riding and operating the vehicle
    without a bus-driver's license.

    Message: 55308
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 19:41:17

    You seriously expected a third party candidate to get 10% of the vote?
    Maybe it is your silly expectations which are at fault, not the Party.
    Jim is correct that whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarians, at
    least they are quite clear and specific on what they will do in office.

    Message: 55309
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 19:47:51

    No, they won't.

    Message: 55310
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 19:48:26

    Hey, it's too bad Dole didn't get the Republican presidential nomination.
    Why did they have to go and choose someone unelectable like Bush?

    Message: 55311
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 21:16:47

    By the way, Maryland voters approved a gun-control referendum on Tuesday.
    They also voted for George Bush for President and Paul Sarbanes, a very
    liberal Democrat, for Senate.  What does this say about your little
    theory?

    Message: 55312
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Libertarians
    Date: 11/10/88  Time: 23:57:31

    Jim seems to believe that the difference between politicians is when
    one is labelled "republican", one labelled "democrat" and one labelled
    "libertarian".
    Unfortunately, through all of his talk about busting myths, this one
    seems to have escaped his attention.

    Jim: Politicians are subject to change without notice. Read the fine print.

                            -Mike (A realist)

    Message: 55313
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Poem
    Date: 11/11/88  Time: 01:11:39

                      WHEN I WAS ONE AND TWENTY
                                   by Ivana O. Martin & Kent Winslow
          When I was one and twenty
          I heard Jim Bakker say,
          "Give me your dimes and dollars
          and I'll wash your sins away.
          "Give me your tens and twenties
          and I'll save your soul from heck."
          Well, I was young and foolish
          So I wrote him out a check.

          When I was two and twenty
          I heard from Tammy Faye.
          She clutched her chest and told me of
          The bills they had to pay.
          She honked into her hankie
          While mascara fell like rain.
          Still being young and gullible,
          I anted up again.

          When I was three and twenty,
          Jim had good news for me.
          He said he'd bought a satellite
          (Too bad it wasn't free.)
          He said, "We've joined the space age!"
          And with that I felt content,
          So I sent him all my money
          And I didn't pay my rent.

          When I was four and twenty
          Tammy Faye said "Things look black."
          "The theme park's treading water,
          Jim and I are catching flack.
          "You know that god will triumph
          And the victory will be sweet."
          So I hocked my suit and sent the loot
          And moved out on the street.

          When I was five and twenty,
          They both looked pale and wan.
          It seem that Jim engaged in sin
          With a gal names Jessie Hahn.
          When I met Jim and Tammy,
          My world seemed bright and new.
          But now I'm old and homeless
          And I haven't got a sou.

          The moral of my story
          Is plain for all to see.
          Don't waste your dough on louts who blow
          God's horn eternally.
          For if there were a Jesus,
          You could call him on the phone.
          We wouldn't need religious nuts
          Who screech and howl and moan.

          We wouldn't need Jim Bakker,
          Nor Swaggart's sordid tryst-
          And even less do we need them now,
          For GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
                    (with apologies to A.E. Housman)

    Message: 55316
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: etc.
    Date: 11/11/88  Time: 01:20:27

            JT, I was never for Fulani.  It was only a joke, I didn't, at the
    time think that I would be taken seriously.  I am a Libertarian and I am
    going to join that party and become an active supporter.

            Bob, (liar)  Yes, you are correct in your assumptions.

            APRO, the article about propaganda by omission certainally hit home
    when I tried to find out how Ron Paul came out in the election.  Thus far I
    have not heard the vote totals for this candidate.  It is like he never
    existed and he was the best man running.

            I was again phoned by the Washington Post - New York Times Poll
    people who again asked me some questions about the major candidates.  All
    third party people were left out.  No mention was made of their names.
    Hmmm, it is like the powers that be are going out of their way to do this.
    Wonder what they are afraid of?  I think I know.
                                            Rod

    WAY Below Normal Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 461
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Ralph the fisherman
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 08:30:47

    Your invited - as soon as we get it running! Hahahaha! It's a
    inboard/outboard and the former owners hit a rock and the lower prop section
    had to be replaced. We have all the parts - Whitey just needs time to get it
    back together and we have to wait for the title to come from the DMV and
    that should take a couple of weeks. Too bad the weather is going to get cold
    very soon - but we would still go out to fish. Are you game? Hell - I'll
    ever let you water ski - 2 good skis came with it, plus a tow rope and life
    preservers. In fact - I'd love to pull you behind a boat! Heh heh heh -
    you'd never be the same again!! Ha ha ha. The boat also came with a canopy
    top plus a full wrap around cover with windows that completely covers the
    boat in case it rains! Lots of holders for beer too and two built in ice
    chests/bait boxes! Sounds like fun don't it! =+= Prunes Annie =+=
    P.S. The boat is 17 ft. long - a tri hull and has seating for 10 people -
    you can bring Cocoa and Duke!

    Message: 462
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Boat
    Date: 11/07/88  Time: 14:37:41

    Sounds wonderful,and I do water ski, also snow ski, but I can't ice skate.
                             =)) OLD FART RALPH ((=

    Message: 463
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: a dream
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 03:33:45

    Last night I had a dream that I was smoking pot with Rod. I seem to remember
    that all of Rod's ideas about time became crystal clear while I was smoking.
    Too bad BilJ isn't around to interpret this for me.

    Message: 464
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Nick the Geek!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/08/88  Time: 17:11:34

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     1:        It's strange but since I quit pot for the time being, I've had four
     2:or five clear dreams in which I was puffing away on a joint.  My idea's
     3:about time are clear to me and I've included them deep within my main
     4:program.  I sleep better just knowing.
     5:                                Rod
     6:end

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