### Apollo BBS Archive - June 26, 1990

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 18:54:32

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     1:Have you considered a job in an ice house?  I have.
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     1:Ho, ho, ho.  When are you going to write an article on one of the stupid
     2:discussions we are having or start a subject yourself.  You could make some
     3:ridiculous assertion that, for instance, god is a butt-hole or something to
     4:that effect.
     5:
     6:Or you could just say that you enjoy masturbation left handed better than
     7:right handed and describe the benefits.
     8:
     9:By the way, have you heard from Sue?
    10:
    11:So, what's up?
    12:
    13:                                Me
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    Message: 3951
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:55:33

    My own philosophy is antithetical.  A clean, healthy vagina does not smell
    like fish.  Such an odor is characteristic of an infection, or a lack of
    basic hygene.

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     1:Then what does it smell like?
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    Message: 66945
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: global warming
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 07:28:44

    According to an article in the Az Republic, most climatologists are now
    convinced that global warming is for real.

    Message: 66946
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cooling...
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 07:29:46

    Although May did not have the record highs of last year, it was a record
    warm month on average.

    Message: 66947
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: star trek-6/25
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 07:37:12

    Did anyone catch Monday night's episode ? The Starship Enterprise finds
    a rift in space that allowed the Startship
    Enterprise of 22 years ago (their time) to travel 22 years into the
    future, thus altering the time-line of the current Starship Enterprise.
    I found this episode interesting because I like time-travel stories. What
    did you all think ? Or were you all outside fixing your air-conditioners
    after the 120-degree day ?

    Message: 66948
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dowtown
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 08:06:10

    I hate the place. Patriot's square is nice to sit and rest in - perhaps
    listen to a band if it's there. The food is pretty good in the stands, but
    it's certainly not worth a trip downtown with all the horriable parking and
    paying through the nose - and yes, those meter maids all over the place like
    vultures. All those one way streets are confusing - I even ran a red light
    for the first time in many years because I was confused. I suppose if one
    goes dowtown often, it's easier to get around, but I can't find a reason to
    go there unless it's legal business or to find a rich lawyer to marry!!
                                      -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 66949
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dear Mike
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 08:10:01

    One of the reasons we moved to Arizona is because of the other 8 months of
    perfect weather - no snow shoveling - eating out on the patio sometimes in
    dead of winter - clean desert air - barbecues most of the year, etc. etc.
    Even southern Calif. with it's supposedly perfect weather can't compare.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 66950
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/homeless
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 08:13:22

    I don't think Goddard succeeded because last time I was downtown, the
    homeless were all over the place, including Patriot's Square. There was also
    a lot of plain drunks on the side streets - sleeping or weaving around.
    These were not homeless, they've just been there from many years back and
    continue to stay. Lots of sleeze bars downtown! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 66951
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: J.Cummings/XT
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 09:04:44

    Well, let me give you some pointers, even though I'll be cutting into my own
    buissness.
    First, buy one of his used XT cases($15-$20), used powersupply (150W
    $35-$40), new Xt motherboard ($78 bare), memory upgrade ( $50 about ),
    for the begining 10 meg HD used ($60) one 360 k floppy used ($25-$30),
    hercules board mono & printer port ( $18 ) new, floppy controller new ($18)
    HD controller new ($38), cables used about ($15), mono monitor (TTL used
    $65), and if you want to be fancy buy his 2400 baud internal modem for $78
    Let me see that comes to a total of about $550 if you buy the modem, and
    DON'T BARGAIN with him. Larry is a great guy, so is bill his boss, and one
    of the owners, you can bargain with them. They also get new stuff in every
    day, you just have to check up on it. Yes the chick is a definite fox.
    Well good luck and I hope you have an XT soon, if not leave me a post and
    I'll see what I can do for you.
    THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66952
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: STNG/R.Mann
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 09:05:30

    What did you think about the season finale?
    THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66953
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Steve / 66882
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 10:35:33

       Should have pulled up next to her and invited her over for a baby BBQ,
    and gauged her reaction.

    (Eeeewwwww...)

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    Message: 66954
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Tree Rescue
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 10:44:18

       Why aren't you out at the Rim, rescuing all of those trees that are
    indanger of being, or currently are, engulfed in flames?

       Thousands of trees are out there, screaming, "Rod, O Rod, blessed savior
    of timber, save us. O, Rod, SAVE US!" And here you sit, vegetating in front
    of your computer, while your tree brothers labor their last tree-breath in a
    futile cry for their hero.

       O, most omnimpotent Rod, thou shouldest be ashamed of thyself.

    Daryl
                ;-)

    Message: 66955
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean & The IRS
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 10:53:22

       Excellent posts! Thank you for taking the time to post them!

    Daryl
    (Php 2.6-11)

    Message: 66956
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 66912/Gospel of Rod
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 10:55:39

    How uplifting.

    Do you end your services with a mass suicide?

    Daryl

    Message: 66957
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: STNG/finale
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 11:12:02

    I hate episodes that make you wait until next season to see the conclusion.
    On the other hand, I enjoyed the encounter with the Borg and the situation
    that has developed.

    Message: 66958
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: STNG/Finale
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 14:07:21

    Are you a Trekkie Rodger? If so have you speculated on the outcome of that
    situation, maybe we could compare notes, I'm a bigtime Trekkie, and just
    love the show.
    THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66959
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Myself
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 14:15:46

    I just feel so good lately, I have to tell the world why
    I have finally been accepted by the VA for vocational rehabilitation because
    of my diability.
    Since I scored real high on my tests, the recomended I train as a computer
    information systems analist, an exstremly lucrative field from what I
    understand. They told me I could go to any school I wanted for up to 4
    years, and the VA would foot the total bill. They gave me two options for
    school, and since my head isn't on strait, I'm asking advice from anybody I
    know. The 2 most popular plans they offered me are:
    1 year at GCC and then a transfer to ASU end result would be a bacholors in
    science, or
    3 years at DeVry were I'd get training in exactly the field I want, end
    result again a bacholors in science.
    I hear DeVry is one of the best schools around for that is that true?
    Any input will be apriciated.
    THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66960
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: STNG/trekkie
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 14:38:13

    I'm more of a science fiction fanatic than a trekkie. I enjoy good SF, and
    I think that STNG is actually a cut above the old series in terms of its
    level-headedness. (Perhaps that difference is manifested in the difference
    between Jean Luc and Captain Kirk.) My favorite Science Fiction movie is
    2001, which I have seen many, many times.

    Message: 66961
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl/fire
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 15:27:34

    Fire is good for trees.

    Message: 66962
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Mann/time
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 15:28:12

    I too like stories on time travel.  The only problem is that it does not
    exist.

    Message: 66963
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Daryl/mass suicide
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 15:29:12

    Would you like to volunteer?

    Message: 66964
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/hair
    Date: 06/26/90  Time:  15:30:21

    I'll take hair.  And I do not see how a rather hairy body would be a
    disadvantage to someone in space or under the water.

    I have a friend who decided to shave his head at the beginning of a heat
    wave a few years back.  Boy, was he sorry.  The poor fellow had to wear a
    hat until his hair grew long enough to protect him from the rays.  It is
    very important to keep the head cool in the summer as it is to keep it warm
    in the winter.

    Now man, in his ignorance has given up this natural insulation on his body
    and we all have to pay the price.  You mention that because we have given
    it up that we can now venture to places where before we couldn't.  This is
    not so.  Clothing is uncomfortable to say the least.  There is no feeling
    so grand as being in one's birthday suit.  Ah, the freedom.

    In the summer the hairy critters shed just as we would.  Mother Nature gave
    the human animal hair but we elected to take it away by wearing covering
    over our bodies.  It isn't nice to fool her.

    Now we pack huge cases with body covering and each garment takes much power
    and effort to care for it plus it must be replaced often.  Go figure.
          We may see each other later,
                Rod

    Message: 66965
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sizzle weather
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 16:17:27

    It's not too bad, really, as long as you stay inside.  The worst part is the
    five to ten minutes it takes before you get your air conditioning going good
    in your car.

    I had to laugh when I read "Do you really need air conditioning?" in my _50
    Simple Things You can do to Save the Earth_.

    Message: 66966
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/time travel
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 17:22:05

    I'm not so sure about that. Several years ago I read a semi-technical book
    on rotating black holes. A massive black hole rotating in space-time could
    provide a "gateway" to somewhere else-when, according to the mathematics
    of a rotating black hole. The math wasn't included, but there is no
    theoretical reason why a rotating black hole couldn't be used.

    Message: 66967
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Hotter yet
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 17:53:09

            At 122 degrees today, we again set a record.  I wonder how much
    hotter it will be tomorrow.   My poor AC unit is struggling.]

            On a more down beat story, Donald Trump is being put on an allowance
    of only $15,000 per day.  For him, this is poverty level.  Anyone in favor
    of a collection to get him on his feet again?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 66968
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: global warming
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 18:58:25

    I am not arguing against global warming.  On the other hand, one does not
    draw conclusions about the behavior of a system from local phenomena.  I
    wonder, are there currently places which are experiencing record low
    temperatures?  Is this then an argument for global cooling?

    Message: 66969
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:04:31

    I have never maintained that there is no essential difference between man
    and other animals.  There are essential differences between any two species,
    otherwise, they would not be classified as different species.  There are
    even essential differences between the way we as a species think (if I might
    generalize to an absurd extent) and the way any other animal species thinks.
    You are attacking a straw man.  I have only maintained that your assertion
    that abstract thought is unique to mankind, is demonstratably false.  I have
    given a number of examples, if only of a general or extrapolatory nature.

    Don't trifle with me sonny boy; of course you compared me to Hitler.  I
    quote from your message #66898:
       "However, I might point out that your argument is a variation on
    Nietzsche's, THE ONE HITLER USED TO DECLARE UEBERMENSCH, OR THE MASTER
    RACE." (my capitals)

    What could be less ambiguous?

    Curious you should mention Gilbert Chesterton.  I have just discovered him,
    having read "The Man Who Was Thursday."  I have also purchased "The Club Of
    Queer Trades", "Four Faultless Felons", and "The Paradoxes Of Mr. Pond".  I
    am not interested in his Father Brown mysteries.  Have you read Dunsany?

    Message: 66970
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cummings/(sic)
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:16:27

    "But a common thread that runs between (sic) me, Gordon Little, and Mike
    Middleton!"

    What error does your parenthetical comment denote?

    Message: 66971
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/rights
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:35:55

    I fail to comprehend what weight the concept of rights carries, if not the
    abstract notion which you disdain.  I can proclaim any rights I wish.  You
    can deny any rights I proclaim.  If humans create rights by mutual agreement
    as to their truth and inviolate nature, whither rights when such agreement
    does not exist?  If a despot does not agree with your right to bear arms,
    and has the power to enforce his view of your rights, does this mean that
    your rights are not being violated when his army breaks into and searches
    your house and summarily executes you and your family as troublemakers? What
    about the rights of the idiot?  The rights of the young and the rights of
    the senile?  The rights of the mad?  These individuals may well lack the
    ability to craft or comprehend the rights you conceive of.  As I said,
    rights are axiomatic.  Their validity stems from moral principle, not from
    any arbitrary faculty such as the capacity for abstract thought. As for
    sources I can recommend, let me begin with any standard college text on
    psychology, to whit, the section on cognitive psychology.  I can also
    suggest the studies of Wolfgang Kohler, a German Gestalt psychologist, and
    those of Albert Bandura, a Stanford University cognitive psychologist. Also
    some work by Harry Harlow, of the University of Wisconsin.  One can get an
    introduction to these studies through "Psychology, an introduction" (second
    edition)by Benjamin B. Lahey in the section entitled Learning and Cognition.
    I suggest a library.  These studies support my points, and are by no means
    controversial.  They are too long to post.  Might I also suggest everyday
    observation?  If animals do not act the way you would expect them to if they
    possessed rational faculties, perhaps your expectations or observations are

    Message: 66972
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:48:49

    Do you have to wear shades?

    Message: 66973
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/66961
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 20:04:15

    GOOD for trees?

    Explain.

    And what about the air?

    Daryl
    (Php 2:6-11)

    Message: 66974
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Ch

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     1:I would say that the most important feeling in the world to have is
     2:happiness or a feeling of contentment and peace.
     3:
     4:I don't see how the human animal can be as happy as most other species due
     5:to our blundering through life.
     6:end

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     1:Why it says so right here in the Book of Bob.  Can't you read, my boy?
     2:
     3:When fire destroys an area of forest then that area will again grow using
     4:the nutrients from the earth.  There are tribes that burn away forest land
     5:only to get the soil ready for a good harvest.
     6:
     7:end

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     1:Black Holes are a theory at this time.  Even if a powerful force such as
     2:they did exist then the consequences would be matter being violently pulled
     3:inside.  I don't see where time comes into play, only mass in motion,
     4:changing.
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    Message: 66965
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sizzle weather
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 16:17:27

    It's not too bad, really, as long as you stay inside.  The worst part is the
    five to ten minutes it takes before you get your air conditioning going good
    in your car.

    I had to laugh when I read "Do you really need air conditioning?" in my _50
    Simple Things You can do to Save the Earth_.

    Message: 66966
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subje

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    Message: 66966
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/time travel
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 17:22:05

    I'm not so sure about that. Several years ago I read a semi-technical book
    on rotating black holes. A massive black hole rotating in space-time could
    provide a "gateway" to somewhere else-when, according to the mathematics
    of a rotating black hole. The math wasn't included, but there is no
    theoretical reason why a rotating black hole couldn't be used.

    Message: 66967
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subje

    Message: 66968
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: global warming
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 18:58:25

    I am not arguing against global warming.  On the other hand, one does not
    draw conclusions about the behavior of a system f

    Message: 66969
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:04:31

    I have never maintained that there is no essential difference between man
    and other animals.  There are essential differences between any two species,
    otherwise, they would not be classified as different species.  There are
    even essential differences between the way we as a species think (if I might
    generalize to an absurd extent) and the way any other animal species thinks.
    You are attacking a straw man.  I have only maintained that your assertion
    that abstract thought is unique to mankind, is demonstratably false.  I have
    given a number of examp

    Message: 66970
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cummings/(sic)
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:16:27

    "But a common thread that runs be

    Message: 66971
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/rights
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:35:55

    I fail to comprehend what weight the concept of rights carries, if not the
    abstract notion which you disdain.  I can proclaim any rights I wish.  You
    can deny any rights I proclaim.  If humans create rights by mutual agreement
    as to their truth and inviolate nature, whither rights when such agreement
    does not exist?  If a despot does not agree with your right to bear arms,
    and has the power to enforce his view of your rights, does this mean that
    your rights are not being violat

    Message: 66972
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 19:48:49

    Do you have to wear shades?

    Message: 66973
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/66961
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 20:04:15

    GOOD for trees?

    Explain.

    And what about the air?

    Daryl
    (Php 2:6-11)

    Message: 66974
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / 66963
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 20:05:06

       No thanks. Got too much to live for. But thanks for thinking of me,
    though. *smooch*

    Daryl
    (Php 2:6-11)

    Message: 66975
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd / Save Th' Urth
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 20:08:01

       I think we should take the authors, and bolt them into a Hyundai without
    AC, in the middle of the Metrocenter parking lot at high noon. Whaddaya say?
    And we could also toss a couple of Meatsa! Meatsa! pizzas in the back seat.
    That oughta scare 'em.

    Daryl
    (Ro 15:5-6)

    Message: 66976
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Trump / Collection
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 20:09:40

       Gee, I'll ask our congregation if they can dig in a little deeper to help
    out ol' Trump.

       I had a feeling about him...

       He was too smug to be allowed to live.......comfortably, that is.

    Message: 66977
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: animals
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 21:26:26

    I would say that the most important feeling in the world to have is
    happiness or a feeling of contentment and peace.

    I don't see how the human animal can be as happy as most other species due
    to our blundering through life.

    Message: 66978
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/fire
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 21:29:20

    Why it says so right here in the Book of Bob.  Can't you read, my boy?

    When fire destroys an area of forest then that area will again grow using
    the nutrients from the earth.  There are tribes that burn away forest land
    only to get the soil ready for a good harvest.

    Message: 66979
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/bl holes
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 21:31:54

    Black Holes are a theory at this time.  Even if a powerful force such as
    they did exist then the consequences would be matter being violently pulled
    inside.  I don't see where time comes into play, only mass in motion,
    changing.

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