### Apollo BBS Archive - July 5, 1991

    Mail from Roger Mann
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 07:38:36

    It amazes me that my children managed to reach adulthood without the
    spiritual guidance of Almighty God. I like to think they don't have to carry
    around the mental garbage I have to. They probably have a different set of
    garbage and will turn into Mormons and have 5 children each.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:Once I shoved god and superstition into the garbage can I found that I could
     2:make decisions faster and better.  It was like getting rid of a pair of
     3:crutches to be exact, or dropping a few more links of chain from my mind.
     4:
     5:Now I can say, "Fuck God" and keep smiling.  If there ever was a creator
     6:that would punish ANYTHING it ever made then I would find that little
     7:asshole and stomp it into the ground....however I wouldn't punish make it
     8:hurt forever.  It takes a warped mind to come up with this 'forever'
     9:punishment trip, a real sick mind.
    10:
    11:I can't wait to bail out of this world and I don't even know what it will be
    12:like but I know that there is nothing I want or need here.
    13:
    14:                                Rod

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    Message: 7500
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/Last
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:12:31

        Selective homelessness for the discriminating.

    Message: 7501
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl/last
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:17:49

    Yeah, the city sidewalks the homeless sleep on are urine soaked and full of
    trash.  At least in the country I could lay down and if I didn't wake up I'd
    know that the local critters would have a good meal.  No mess, no waste.

    X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4900
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: $#!+
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 03:48:18

    Give adults a break.  Many are trying to undo the damage.

    Message: 4901
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod on sucking dick
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 08:17:26

    I am still laughing at that one - about the dead dog's dick. You are right
    of course, nothing could be worse. hahahahahahhahhahahaha
                         *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4902
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Bill #4888
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 08:18:46

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha. All youse people are funnnnnnnny today!
                         *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4903
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gordon on child's
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 08:22:02

    You mean a child's word for it like 'Poo Poo' - or "thing" or "Pee Pee"??
                           *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4904
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: More On Poetry
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 09:33:18

    > I agree that cock didn't seem to fit the tone, since a small
    > child would probably not use that word.

    Actually, one signal that sexual abuse is occurring is the use of adult
    sexual language at a very early age.

    > But the reason it IS "off-putting" is because of situation IS
    > "off-putting".

    I disagree.  The word simply seems out of place.  The situation IS
    off-putting, but it's supposed to be, isn't it?  "Cock" just seems to
    disrupt things, put off the flow of the language somehow.

    Message: 4905
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Poems
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:20:08

    Poems can be changed at any time.

    End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1874
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: my source
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 03:52:44

    My source is The Larry King Show.  The guest was Dr. Robert Gallo.

    Message: 1875
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Williams
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 06:12:14

     For 40 years, I had a monogamous relationship with my first wife.
    Then,sadly, she died. That terminated that relationship rather definitely.
     As of today, I have not committed adultery during the course of my present
    marriage, nor do I intend to. Other than that, my personal life is none of
    your damn business!

    Message: 1876
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Pauly
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:25:06

    Well, I was just drawing a logical conclusion from your previous message.  I
    personally like sex and lots of women are nice.  I don't wear condoms and I
    won't.

    Since I am going to hell for all eternity I may as well do what I want, eh?

                                    Rod

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    Message: 76330
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Mann
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:43:29

         Why? Because I was under the assumption that this was an open forum for
    free exchange of divergent opinions. Apparently, I am wrong. Should I get
    some Dr. Dentons and goose-step in time behind you. Perhaps I could compose
    a new hymn and we could sing it together. Something like:

       God loves Mapplethorpe, God loves you,
       God loves Serrano and his "Piss-Christ" too.
       God loves abortion, and a woman's right to choose,
       And he loves to be degraded on the evening news.
       Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
       Halleluallah, and Hallelubuddah,
       God is just a happy kinda guy,
       He's just daisies and banana creme pie,
       Big warm fuzzies and ham on rye,
       He don't care if you live like a sleaze,
       Catch all sorts of veneral disease,
       Shoot up drugs, and drink like a fish,
       God's just a candy store, so do what you wish,
       Hallelujah, Hallelujah,
       Hallelhallah, and Hallelubuddah,
       God is just a happy kinda dude,
       He don't mind if you get a little crude,
       So rape and kill and maim and screw,
       It doesn't matter cuz God luvs U.     - Hymn 666

    Message: 76331
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:45:32

        Ok, so I made a mistake. It's in the SATURDAY paper. So shoot me.

        Problem is, she doesn't rate the baked goods. She seems to get lost
    somewhere in the atmosphere.

    Message: 76332
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Bill Burkett
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:50:00

         Please stop whining.

         >I will go elsewhere where I am allowed to speak my mind freely.

         And you were the one chiding me for expressing my opinions on Serrano?
    Who said that Bill had the authority to put you into the Phantom Zone? Chill
    out senor. Cold climates give the skin the opportunity to thicken.

    Message: 76333
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Closed Minds
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:53:46

         Why did you completely sidestep my reply?  Your response just proves my
    point, Rod.

    Message: 76334
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/July 4
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:56:11

            "Blessed is the nation whose God is Yahweh." [Psalm 33:12]

            Dittos to you as well, Paul.  I hope that your day was enjoyable and
    filled with friends and family as ours was.

    Message: 76335
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/IBM APPLE
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 00:56:49

            I'm glad I didn't buy a clone.

    Message: 76336
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Editorial
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 01:11:45

         First of all, reality is not what you make it.  If you are in an
    automobile accident, deciding that that incident was not reality will not
    make it any easier for them to seperate your face from the safety glass
    windshield.  It is not your "personal reality" that keeps the planets in
    alignment and in orbit. It is not your "personal reality" that makes the sun
    rise in the morning, and set in the evening.  It is not your "personal
    reality" that causes the sun to shine or the rain to fall.  In short, your
    "personal reality" is really nothing more than a personal delusion, or
    fantasy.
         There is a Higher Power beyond ourselves.  The One that created this
    rock and put it right where it is.  The one that decided that, if you throw
    something up into the air, a neat little invention called gravity will keep
    it from floating off into space.  The Reality is the One that decided that
    you would be a part of this world.  Your "personal reality" cannot change
    that.  Sure, you can discard this REAL reality for a fake one, but like the
    safety glass, it's not going to keep the REAL reality from hitting you
    upside the head every once in a while.  The reality is not that we are
    progressing as an animal into higher and higher states of being until we
    reach that state of nirvana, or perfection.  The reality is that not only is
    human perfection gone, but the quality of the created human specie is
    gradually degrading.  The reason that we only use 10% of our brain is not
    because we will keep advancing until the time when we will evolve into the
    capacity to use the other 90% - the reason is because our first ancestors,
    who had a perfect body, a perfect 100% functioning brain and no limitation
    to their lifespan, screwed up and blew it for the rest of us.  Your
    grandparents were a better specimen of human than you are. And your children
    [if you ever have any] will be inferior genetically to you.  In short, the
    actions of our oldest grandparents have put us into the state we are now in.
        But the reality is that, despite the seeming chaos and disorder,
    everything is under control. Our Ultimate Reality will, in His own time and
    in His own manner, deliver us from this downward spiral.  That is, if we
    haven't lost sight of that Reality.  If you have, then you've just become
    the Ultimate Fool.
        No offense, just calling them as I sees them.

    Message: 76338
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/Message Pointr
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 01:19:07

        Is there any way to patch the software so that, if you happen to run out
    of time before you read all the new messages, the system will update your
    message pointer to the last message you've read (rather than the last
    message in the system at the time of your disconnect)?

    Message: 76339
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie/76317
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 05:57:23

     When or how often a car breaks down has little to do with the car you buy.
    It has a lot more to do with the time and effort one spends under the hood
    on preventive maintenance. I'm sure that this is what Cliff was referring to
    in his message.

    Message: 76340
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 06:05:39

     You're like a breath of fresh air around here, friend! Loved your poem! Was
    that you, or did you find it someplace?
     My fourth was good. I had the opportunity to bring some fun to a nice group
    of folks as Freddie Freckles the clown in the afternoon, and then we went
    with our next door neighbors to the Glendale CC fireworks display. Got home
    late (for us) and fell into bed. All in all, a good day. Glad yours was,
    too.

    Message: 76341
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl's Crud
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 07:45:39

    That's the most obscene and offensive thing I've seen on this board. If
    that's what you BBB's have been cooking up the movement has gone to hell in
    a handbasket.

    Message: 76342
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Darly/Phantom Zone
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 07:46:11

    And mind your own business.

    Message: 76343
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Daryl
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 07:48:42

    I should have known you would adore that piece of BAC self-righteous
    doggerel. You and Daryl make great lovers.

    Message: 76344
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl on reality
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 08:10:43

    Sorry Daryl. Your posts were good, but Rod's hit closer to the truth!

    I remember when you were a young fellow that posted other than religious
    stuff. Is there now no other side to you? You preach  and that is all.
    Nothing new, just Bible quotes - as if you do not anymore have a free
    thinking mind. What happened to you? What ever it is changed you, I don't
    want it! Sorry. So much preaching turnes people off. There are other
    Christians here that state many times what they believe - but you do it
    constantly! So, hows you married life? The weather? Your job?
    Is Daryl Westfall still there? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76345
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on car
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 08:11:50

    Oh! So that's why Cliffy always smells like oil? Heh  *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76346
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Roger & Paul
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 09:31:20

    > Personally, I don't feel a trip to the Zone or apologies are
    > necessary by either.

    I didn't either.  That's why I said nothing until I was ASKED to intervene.

    I've tried to do a good job as Cub SysOp, working hard to steer clear of
    making judgments based on who is talking or what their message is -- until
    it violates the [R]ules.

    In spite of this I've been asked THREE TIMES "IN JEST" to become involved in
    discussions.  I don't appreciate that.  It wastes my time and belittles
    efforts encouraging open, yet courteous discussion here on Apollo.

    Roger and Paul Savage are both valuable members of this system.  They both
    profess respect for the [R]ules, yet they break them.  One whines about
    being offended, yet when action is taken, they cry, "We were only joking."
    When asked to promise not to request action unless it's really desired, they
    clam up and ignore the request.

    No wonder Cliff gets suicidal.  This is idiocy.

    Message: 76347
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Sorry, (Sniff)
    Subject: Cliff/Uploads
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 09:31:50

    > Well, Bill (the uploader) failed to tell me the names of the
    > files. ... PLEASE READ INSTRUCTIONS!  Then FOLLOW them!

    I don't recall seeing those instructions while I was uploading.  Do they
    appear on-line?  If not, perhaps a note after the file description is
    uploaded would help.

    Message: 76348
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Wisdom from Rod
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 09:32:08

    > Rod's note:  If you have trouble spelling patriotism, remember
    > there is RIOT smack dab in its center.

    There's something about that I like.

    Message: 76349
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 09:58:15

            The pointer is at the last message read Mr Westfall.  However, if
    you post a message, it sees that as the last message read.

            To prove my point...  try not posting any messages in some sig or
    this PUBlic board.  Stop reading before you come to the end of the posts,
    log off, then back on again...  then do a [$]cmd... you will continue where
    you had left off at.   Since you post so much, maybe it would be better if
    you read all the posts on a first pass of the [$]cmd, then  answer the ones
    you wish on a second pass.

            Since you obviously do not read all posts or the files in the [M]ain
    menu about this System and the [I]nfo cmd.  Bill Burkett DOES have the power
    to place people in the PHAntom Zone as he is a Cub SysOp in training.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76350
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill's Upload Data
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 10:20:31

    [C]ancel upload or [E]nter description:Enter

    Enter [1] the computer type and model on which this programs runs, [2] the
    complete program name including extension, and [3] a brief description.
    Aborting the editor will cancel the upload

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:

            Bill, this is what you see after an [U]pload...
    [1] Type computer...  well, so I know what it runs on... Obvious

    [2] This is the one I want you to read from the above instructions.  This
        plainly askes 'The complete program name including extention'.

    [3] Every one seems to get this 3rd one, but sometimes this is ALL I get!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76351
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Downloads
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 12:15:06

      Thanks!
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 76352
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/76344
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 12:22:36

      I concur with Ann. Daryl's poem was great, but I agree more with Rod's
    thrust, if not his crushingly monotonous negative outlook. I know he isn't
    really that bound up in despair, but he sure comes across that way.
      I wonder what happened to the other side's of both Daryl and Rod.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    p.s.(if you're wondering what happened to the other side of me, you'll have
    to remind me what it was, I forgot)

    Message: 76353
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: [U]pload instruction
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 15:30:53

    Perhaps [1] and [2] didn't get supplied because it was a text file, not a
    program.  Mayhaps the instructions should be generalized a wee bit?

    Message: 76354
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: miscellaneous
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 15:49:59

    I don't know if you noticed, Gordon, but sun tea is not made by having the
    water boil.  It is just a slower manner of making tea American-style.

    Article in the paper the other day reported that the new phone rate for
    valley-wide non-toll calling was to be $12.40 (with touch tone service)
    compared to about 10.30 now.  I may not have the exact values for these.

    The index in the [L]ibrary wasn't updated, and I had a heck of a time
    finding the file names for Bill's contributions.  His posts had apparently
    scrolled.

    Message: 76355
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The files
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:07:38

    Thanks for the files.  They look good, even though the formatting is pretty
    awful (hyphenation on top of hyphenation)

    Message: 76356
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/reply
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:33:15

    I would love to reply to you but first I need something to reply to.  Your
    bible quotes are stupid and whoever wrote them in the first place was lame.

    The entire book you quote from is a mishmash of ambiguous words.  I read the
    entire thing and, yes, one could use it as a crutch which may be a step up
    from being alcoholic but a very small step at that.

    I realize that life is hard but I also realize that it is short.  No need to
    freak out and worry about the unknown.  Even though you say that after death
    is a known, I know that you do not really know any more than I so stop
    pretending that you do.

    Your poetry is excellent but your religion is weak and illogical.

                                    Rod

    Message: 76357
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill/RIOT
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:43:13

    It appears that the population of this nation are in worse shape than when
    King George was collecting taxes.  Now we have Pres. George plus a very lame
    Supreme Court that seems to be systematically usurping our rights.

    Any organization that springs up with the intent of making changes seems to
    be infiltrated by the FBI.

    It seems that their next step will be to come around and gather up weapons
    and after that is done the people are at their mercy more than ever.

    Any ideas?

    Message: 76358
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 07/05/91  Time: 16:44:34

    I don't walk around with a negative outlook.  It is just when I see you I
    like to work on solving big problems and not finding a solution I get lost.

    Perhaps I should buy a bible, eh?

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