### Apollo BBS Archive - September 15 - 17, 1988

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    Message: 4206
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Land
    Date: 09/14/88  Time: 23:01:06

      Some land may have changed hands in ways that would not be acceptable now,
    but stealing it from its present owners would compound the crime,
    not undo it. Should we trace back your entire family tree to the beginning
    of mankind and hold you responsible for any unpunished crimes they may have
    committed? The logic is about the same.
      In specific cases where wrong-doing can be proven and the villain still
    holds the land, the victims are able to get restitution through the courts.
    The Federal government, for example, has lost a judgement to the Sioux
    indians for the taking of the Black Hills. It has yet to be resolved,
    because the indians are holding out for more, but the decision has already
    gone in their favor.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

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     1:        The home you are currently 'buying', was built with drug money.  The
     2:home I am living in was purchased by pulling a big bank heist.  The
     3:apartment JT rents was built with bribe money.  Everyone is a thief, just
     4:don't get caught and everything is okay.  Lands change hands through the
     5:centuries, might is right, right?
     6:end

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    Message: 4207
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl/4197
    Date: 09/14/88  Time: 23:05:16

      I didn't know I was IN office YET.

    (snicker)

    Message: 4208
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/idiots
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:05:28

    If Bush is elected - then the American people are indeed idiots -
    - ditto Ducaca! When are we going to wake up and quit voting for the 'lesser
    of two evils'? Are you really all that 'gung ho' over Bush? Why? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4209
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 12:08:19

            I can see your frustrations about our present land ownership
    situation in your posts.
            I also wonder what would happen to you, with your present train of
    thought, if you were placed in the Medevil times.
            From what I can see throughout history, the average person enjoys
    more opportunities to own land than they did in years past. I do not see
    where land ownership policies have regressed any, but I do see where this
    day and age has not meet up to your idealistic, harmonious, free-spirited
    concept of land vs. the average person.

            Who knows, maybe you are ahead of your time. Too, far ahead to see
    results in your lifetime. Be patient, Rod; you will be in the history books
    1,000 years from now as the one who pioneered the 'everyone gets what they
    want' concept.

    Message: 4210
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 14:57:43

    The really silly part of that letter is the line "During the years from 1981
    to 1988 nearly 12 million Ame

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     1:        Our country was designed by Parker Brothers and when I came onto the
     2:scene, everything was already taken, Baltic Avenue included.
     3:        Do you like our current creative financing, $70-110 thou. for a
     4:postage stamp size piece of desert.
     5:        Which banks are the easiest to hit?  Which drug brings the most
     6:profits?  I'd better hurry on the drugs because they just may be made legal
     7:in the not so distant future.
     8:        Capitalism in todays world is a bit unfair, the game has been going
     9:on too long.  Can we start a new game?
    10:end

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    Message: 4210
    Author: $ David Burkhart
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    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 14:57:43

    The really silly part of that letter is the line "During the years from 1981
    to 1988 nearly 12 million Americans lost jobs as a result of no-notice or
    short-notice plant closings and mass layoffs."  Aside from the fact that the
    12 million figure ignores the fact the number of these people who got new
    jobs with better pay and working conditions, I fail to see how those
    lay-offs are a RESULT of the lack of notice -- as if notice would save the
    jobs.  The opposite is true, of course: making companies less flexible and
    increasing their costs makes them less competitive in the world market, and
    results in many more lost jobs.

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    Author: $ David Burkhart
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     1:        My father-in-law informed me that the employment figures went way
     2:down because many people were dropped from the rolls as their compensation
     3:term expired.  He is a world class scientist, Ph.D....I don't think he would
     4:pull my leg.
     5:end

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     2:down because many people were dropped from the rolls as their compensation
     3:term expired.  He is a world class scientist, Ph.D....I don't think he would
     4:pull my leg.

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    Message: 4211
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 15:03:30

    You're engaging in the holier-than-thou attitude typical of the left.
    You regard those who disagree with you as less compassionate and lacking in
    moral character.  The irony is that you then turn around and denounce
    Christians for the same attitude.
    I'm afraid that I prefer JT's view of opponents as misguided and
    unintelligent to the preaching moralism of the left.  If you truly think
    that those of us who believe in a free society, unburdened by a
    paternalistic government, don't care about the less fortunate and the
    trapped, then you really are deluded.

    Message: 4212
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Last....
    Subject: David on Rod
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 18:25:24

      You are right of course, emotionalism is the last refuge of a failed
    ideologist.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4213
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Reform
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 18:40:03

      An American wrote the following on systems of government about 140 years
    ago:
      Is Democracy, such as we know it, the last improvemen

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     1:        Emotionalism is the last refuge of a failed ideologist.  I agree,
     2:but am I susposed to just say 'wow' when David says (yawn)?  Of course the
     3:(yawn) and other tacky comments from David were not emotionalism, after all,
     4:David is a college student, right.
     5:
     6:end

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    Message: 4213
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Reform
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 18:40:03

      An American wrote the following on systems of government about 140 years
    ago:
      Is Democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in
    government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing
    and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and
    enlightened state until the state comes to recognize the individual as a
    higher and independent power, from which all its power and authority are
    derived, and treats him accordingly. I please myself with imagining a state
    at least which can afford to be just to all men, and to treat the individual
    with respect as a neighbor; which even would not think it inconsistent with
    its own repose if a few were to live aloof from it,not meddling with it, nor
    embraced by it, who fulfilled all the duties of neighbors and fellow men. A
    state which bore this kind of fruit, and suffered it to drop off as fast as
    it ripened, would prepare the way for a still more perfect and glorious
    state, which also I have imagined, but not yet anywhere seen.
                  -Henry David Thoreau in 'Civil Disobedience'

    Message: 4214
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 18:54:45

    Burkhart has a point.  You have no business accusing him, me, Hathaway, or
    anyone else of lacking compassion or being morally inferior simply because
    we reject your ignorant and asinine assertions about economics, politics,
    physics, and so forth.

    You are 46 years old, if I recall correctly.  A man your age should have
    experienced enough in life to develop a little humility.  You remind me of
    me at age 18, except that I was a bit more coherent.  Why don't you grow up
    and admit that people can disagree with you without being moral failures.
    Given that Burkhart and I have studied these matters far more extensively
    than you, a bit of humility about your "opinions" -- which are really
    nothing more than baseless, impulsive observations -- would be in order as
    well.

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     1:        I didn't realize that the amount of times one takes around our
     2:center star had anything to do with intelligence or the lack thereof.
     3:        True, I haven't pinned down economics and I am trying to understand
     4:it on my own terms.  I could read five books and several opinions but I am
     5:looking for the root myself.
     6:        I am sure I will grasp it one day.  As far as physics go, just
     7:because my opinion differs with yours does not make me wrong.  It may make
     8:you wrong but you would have a hard time understanding how that could be.
     9:        I suggest you do some inner thinking about the cosmos sometime, it
    10:will undoubtably do you a world of good.
    11:end

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    Message: 4215
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Oudin's idiocy
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 19:00:54

    I don't care much for mushrooms, but I would far rather eat them than dog
    shit.  You, I suppose, would reply that I am choosing the "lesser of two
    evils," and should not eat unless the perfect meal is offered to me.
    Sure, I'd rather vote for Jack Kemp than George Bush, but Bush is the
    Republican nominee and I expect he'll make a pretty good president.
    We are, after all, choosing a man to lead our country, not a superhero to
    fulfill our fantasies.

    Message: 4216
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: JT/last
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:13:08

    If that is who you like, then why not vote for Jack Kemp? The last time I
    looked, you could write in any name you choose.

    If we are not looking for a 'Superhero', then why are we taking the
    candidates apart piece by piece and putting them under a microscope? It
    seems the American voters don't care what the candidates record is - they
    want to know who they went to bed with other than their wives - in detail of
    course! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4217
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 18:31:07

    Jack Kemp is no longer a candidate for president, so I will obviously not
    vote for him.

    I haven't heard much talk about Gov. Dukakis or Vice President Bush's
    extramarital activities (if any).  Perhaps you're getting your news from the
    wrong source.  I realize you enjoy the National Enquirer, but perhaps you
    should pick up the Arizona Republic or the New York Times or, if those are
    too difficult, USA Today.

    Message: 4218
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:11:47

    Rod: there's a good example.  Note that he insulted Ann's intelligence, but
    did not suggest that she was morally inferior or insincere.

    Message: 4219
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Rebuttal
    Subject: Ann/JT
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 21:05:03

    As much as I hate to say it, Ann is probably better off reading the National
    Enqierer(sp) that the Arizona Repulsive!

    JT - Get somebody new to pick on before Ann gets nasty and tears your head
    off!

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    Message: 4220
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dear JT
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 07:53:32

    But I WAS refering to the Arizona Republic and not the National Enquirer!
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4221
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 08:41:10

    You've got it backwards.

    Message: 4222
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: J T
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 12:17:46

    Please someone out there tell me what in the world is a James Taranto???

                                  The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 4223
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean/Land
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:31:51

            The home you are currently 'buying', was built with drug money.  The
    home I am living in was purchased by pulling a big bank heist.  The
    apartment JT rents was built with bribe money.  Everyone is a thief, just
    don't get caught and everything is okay.  Lands change hands through the
    centuries, might is right, right?

    Message: 4224
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:35:51

            Our country was designed by Parker Brothers and when I came onto the
    scene, everything was already taken, Baltic Avenue included.
            Do you like our current creative financing, $70-110 thou. for a
    postage stamp size piece of desert.
            Which banks are the easiest to hit?  Which drug brings the most
    profits?  I'd better hurry on the drugs because they just may be made legal
    in the not so distant future.
            Capitalism in todays world is a bit unfair, the game has been going
    on too long.  Can we start a new game?

    Message: 4225
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:38:44

            My father-in-law informed me that the unemployment figures went way
    down because many people were dropped from the rolls as their compensation
    term expired.  He is a world class scientist, Ph.D....I don't think he would
    pull my leg.

    Message: 4226
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean/David
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:41:56

            Emotionalism is the last refuge of a failed ideologist.  I agree,
    but am I susposed to just say 'wow' when David says (yawn)?  Of course the
    (yawn) and other tacky comments from David were not emotionalism, after all,
    David is a college student, right?

    Message: 4227
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Taranto/46
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:48:45

            I didn't realize that the amount of times one takes around our
    center star had anything to do with intelligence or the lack thereof.
            True, I haven't pinned down economics and I am trying to understand
    it on my own terms.  I could read five books and several opinions but I am
    looking for the root myself.
            I am sure I will grasp it one day.  As far as physics go, just
    because my opinion differs with yours does not make me wrong.  It may make
    you wrong but you would have a hard time understanding how that could be.
            I suggest you do some inner thinking about the cosmos sometime, it
    will undoubtably do you a world of good.

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    Message: 1984
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: THANG supporters
    Date: 09/14/88  Time: 22:42:09

    Do you suppose they are Athletic Supporters?

    I'll tell all for a price.

    Message: 1985
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Daryl & Mike
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:17:55

    Daryl: Well, I guess that leaves you out.
    Mike: You have all the qualifications but the jealous wife leaves you out
    too. Being a somewhat jealous type wife myself - I could/would never
    understand my husband spending hours and lots of bucks making a giant penis
    to give to another woman no matter who she was, what she looked like or how
    old!

    What am I going to do if and when I find out who did it? When I got the
    first one - all I thought of was retaliation - getting back! But this one is
    such a work of art, I just want to know who has so much talent and
    cleverness! I could NEVER top this one and won't even try! Any effort would
    pale from comparison!  See you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1986
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 07:34:02

    Annie I have played with photography for 50 years, I don't work, I know
    where you live. So if the $20.00 reward is still in effect, I cannot tell a
    lie I did it. Just so I could have a extra $20.00.
                                 The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 1987
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 15:44:04

    He's lying, save yourself $20.

    Message: 1988
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 00:15:08

            Yea, I have to little boys .........
    They were on the 'list'.

            What's your excuse?

    Message: 1989
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: $#!+
    Subject: Ralph/confession
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:15:17

    You'll have to do better than that! Proof!! Ten people have already
    confessed. =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

    Message: 1990
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/tombstones
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:17:31

    If JT's tombstone says 'Geek' - then David's must say 'Silly'!
    When was the last post he answered without using that word? =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. Don't you think that's silly?

    Message: 1991
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: SANDY SYSOP
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 15:44:10

    I am not quite sure I know what 'LIST' you're talking about!

    What I meant was, I am not little, and as I recall I am about a foot taller
    than you!  hahahahaeeeeeehehehee

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    Message: 1992
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 19:33:47

    I think her husband did it.
    With all of the time that she spends on the board, he would have the
    spare time for it.

    Message: 1993
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:14:18

    Well, when I read your messages, the word "silly" leaps into my mind, and
    stays tenaciously.
    It's better than some words I COULD use.

    Message: 1994
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Re-BuTTal
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:27:39

            Take the word 'Silly' .......
    Beats being called Stupid.

    Message: 1995
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: David/words
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 08:04:26

    You'd better watch out David - I might start using some of my pet words and
    believe me, they are a lot stronger than 'silly and stupid'! On my tombstone
    it gonna read 'What De Fug'? (tm Daryl Westfall) "Flatulence" (tm James
    Hawley) is another great word and you are certainly full of that! I also
    will hire Mike Carter or Daryl to really insult you - they are EXPERTS! Ta,
    ta. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1996
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 10:28:00

    Going to hire middle-men, eh?

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     1:        So, you admit it, you don't type the 'put down' words you are truly
     2:thinking.  Gee, you are really a nice guy, I over estimated you.
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    Message: 1996
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 10:28:00

    Going to hire middle-men, eh?

    Message: 1997
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Silly/David
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 16:54:54

            So, you admit it, you don't type the 'put down' words you are truly
    thinking.  Gee, you are really a nice guy, I over estimated you.

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    Message: 54137
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/-
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 00:58:07

    Ha...did I actually say 'Brett?'  Show my stupidity to the whole wide
    world...that's what I get.

    Tell us more, though, very interesting!

    Carol->                Brett?   (Oh, stupid!)

    Message: 54138
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 00:58:46

    There you go, proving *my* point, again!

    (How can we *both* be equally stupid?)

    Message: 54139
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 00:59:05

    Huh?

    Message: 54140
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 05:57:17

    I agree that using swear words in the wrong movie at the wrong time can ruin
    it! It seems they do put them in and a sex scene or two to get that 'R'
    rating. But it can also be used as an advantage and help form a character.
    The movies are much more realistic today than the old ones. Whether it makes
    them better is a matter of personal opinion. But such movies like Platoon,
    Preditor, Aliens, would be phony without those words. You look at a old war
    movie and 'damn' isn't even said by someone with their leg just shot off!
    Ha. As far as the stand-up comics are conserned - some go way over board
    like Eddy Murphy - he's a halarious guy in most movies (swearing) - but his
    comedy routines are not funny because he says that one particular word too
    much. I think Robin Williams puts on a great comedy - he uses those words,
    but not all that much. Whoopie Goldburg is another. Of course, you might not
    agree and probably have your favorites. As far as 'That WORD' is concerned -
    (and you know which one) - it's only a word! If they used 'damn' too much,
    it would ruin a movie too! But I detest movies that have been edited no
    matter what they are! I usually don't watch them. It ruins them.
    Speaking of the 'R' rating - when I go to rent a movie, if it's PG I usually
    don't get it because I like 'gore - blood - hacking - axes - chain saws -
    - monsters that eat people - Jason - brains exploding - Freddy - and ghosts
    that suck the life out of people! Hahahaha. No realism for me! See you
    later. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. Which ones are your favorites?

    Message: 54141
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT's IQ
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:45:20

    What a waste of a fine mind!

    Message: 54142
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Ann/my favorites
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:50:24

    Personally, I enjoy a good suspense or mystery. One of those that hold you
    on the edge of your seat until the credits end.
    Once in a great while, I'll get into a kinky mood and watch one of the
    horror flicks, although they are usually poorly made and less than real.
    I am looking forward to the Lady in White though, which is playing on
    Viewers Choice this week. Probably, if I had to choose the best one I have
    seen recently, it would be Suspect, with Cher.THe story was excellent, the
    acting likewise, and the ending was superb.
    I also like a good musical, but they don't make those any more. Fiddler on
    the Roof rates high on my list of all-time favorites.

    Message: 54143
    Author: Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hello
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 07:52:58

    Hello after a week and a half away.  Don't anyone go to Seattle while the
    lights are out.  It's gruesome!

    It's really nice here in Omaha, Temperature running in the low 80's during
    the day.  Sure wish I was back in Phoenix, tho!  I miss all the inane and
    insane chatter on Apollo.

    See Y'aa......
    Jeannie

    Message: 54144
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: ANGEL HEART
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 09:51:13

         Actually, I thought it was a bit slow and the plot silly.
    In fact, I'd dare say it is Alan Parker's worst film.

    Message: 54145
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 10:24:44

    It was better than Bugsy Malone.

    Message: 54146
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: New User!
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 12:31:48

            I am pleased to announce that "Jeannie Innajug" is our newest
    $tatus user!

                    Cliffie......

    Message: 54147
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Paul/Ann
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 14:38:38

    If you two want a semi scary, good plot, with an awsome(sp) ending movie,
    get 'Prince of Darkness'...  The last 30 seconds of the movie will make you
    jump out of your seat!!!  Allthough you religious type may not like the over
    all 'plot', which is, the bible was changed to create a 'GOD' to cover up
    Satan., the movie itself (I thought) had just the right amount of suspence,
    scary parts, and COMEDY!

    -------------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============-------------
    By the way, it is out on video tape!
    Anyone else see this movieand want to comment...  Of all the people I have
    talked to, one person didn't like it....

    Message: 54148
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 15:07:35

    Well, if Rod is right about our cumulative IQ being 100, my IQ must be -42.

    Message: 54149
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 15:41:25

    That sounds about right

    Message: 54150
    Author: Spookie Wall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: NEW BBS
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 16:54:24

    CALL THE CRYSTAL BALL BBS
    300 BAUD ONLY
    24 HRS. 7 DAYS A WEEK
    (602)991-1030

    Message: 54151
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jennie I J
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 00:23:43

            Ever find an occasion to be in Lincoln, Neb.?

    Message: 54152
    Author: Cornell Smith
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Interzone phone$$
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 01:41:57

    A proposal is before the Ariz. Corporation Commission to require Mountain
    West to provide interzone phone service in the Phoenix metro area at no
    charge.  A similar proposition in
    Denver passed.  If you favor this proposition, please drop a line stating so
    to :Arizona Corporation Commission,
    1200 W. Washington
    Phoenix, Az.  85007.
    The benefits of this proposal to all citizens are obvious.  Thanks, Cornell

    Message: 54153
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 05:19:40

    You can bet your bippie that if such a proposal was ever approved in Az.,
    everybody's rates would go up to cover Ma Bell's losses!
     I live in the Glendale dialing area, and it costs me almost $40 a month
    base bill for a Zone A number. If they approve the abolishment of interzone
    calls, it won't be long before everybody is paying $40 a month. That's base,
    no frills or "conveniences".

    Message: 54154
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 05:21:08

    The only "occasion" to be in Lincoln, Nb. would be a plane crash there or
    some other mistake.
    Nobody ever goes there on purpose, do they?

    Message: 54155
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lincoln
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 07:35:29

    Sorry about that last.  Another reason to go to Lincoln is when your company
    sends you!  We have a customer in Lincoln, one in Omaha, and one in Council
    Bluffs, Iowa.  I "get" to go to that area a couple of times a year.

    Omaha wasn't too bad this time around.  September in the mid-west is real
    nice.  THe leaf color change won't be as spectacular this year since they
    had the bad wind storm last summer.  On the Iowa side of the river all the
    big trees are broken, and lots of brown branches where they were broken off.
     Oh well, it's not as bad as Yellowstone.

    Speaking of all this destruction, fire, and pestilance, what ever happened
    to the rapture?  I was flying last Tuesday and was a bit concerned that my
    pilot might turn out to be one of the "elect."

    Another subject.  Can any of you status people tell me what this dollar sign
    in front of my name is going to do for me?  I finally bit the bullet and
    signed on.

    'Nuff for now, this is on my nickel!  See Y'aa.........

    Jeannie

    Message: 54156
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/mysteries
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 08:59:28

    Nothing beats the old Alfred Hitchcock mysteries - my opinion, Vertigo being
    the best! OF course, theres Phycho - no movie scared me as much when it
    first came out!
    If you want to be scared out of your wits without blood & gore - rent Ghost
    Story starring Douglas Fairbanks Jr., John Houseman, Fred Astair and Melvin
    Douglas. Also, there's an old movie called the Uninvited - starring Ray
    Malland and Ruth Hussy. I doubt it can be rented however - but if your
    interested, I have it anytime you want to see it!! Plus - any John Wayne
    Movie - I now have 103! I have an assortment of monster/horror too. See you
    later. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54157
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chris/Prince of ...
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:01:05

    I too want to see that movie but both the video stores I belong to say it
    will not come out until next month! Is it available in your area already?
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54158
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeannie Innajug
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:02:49

    Welcome to the status of Apollo. Tell us about yourself. Are you living in
    Nebraska now? What kind of computer do you have? See you later. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54159
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Hawley Wrecks Van
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 10:40:37

            Dateline 09/16/1988 @ 5:30 this AM...
            James Hawley (LockSmith) crashes Van at intersection, destroying
    Van and a Pickup truck that ran a "Red Light".  Good New is no one was hurt
    badly.... The Bad News is the Indian that ran the "Red Light" had no
    Insurance?   Yes there was a witness.....  Good Luck Mr Hawley.

            Why I ask, do so many Indians NOT HAVE INSURANCE?  If you ask me,
    Insurance is a scam....

    Cliff   the once "Mighty" SYSOP

    Message: 54160
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 10:59:12

    My father is from India, and he has insurance.

    (You mean "Native American" or "American Aboriginal", don't you?)

    Message: 54162
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael James...
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 13:01:18

            I ment American Indians that live on Reservations and I
    APOLLO-gize if you took it in any other way.

    Cliff the "Mighty" Blunder Mouth!

    Message: 54163
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Prince of...
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 15:52:44

    Yes, it has been here for quite awhile, atleast 2 months!

    I live at Bell and the freeway, and my video store, Pro Video Systems at
    35th ave and Bell as had it for quite awhile...

    -------------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============-------------

    Message: 54164
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Head
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 18:28:38

    Shut up, you dumb Mexican.

    Message: 54165
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:18:20

    Have you seen Body Double?  It's Brian DePalma's tribute to Vertigo.  Worth
    seeing, though not his masterpiece.

    Message: 54166
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:19:03

    I guess that would explain why Cliff (the car dealer, not the Sysop) wasn't
    able to get a hold of you.

    Message: 54167
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lincoln
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:30:30

            Yea, guess no one goes to Lincoln on purpose.
    I threw a dart at a map. That is how I wound up there for a spell.

    Message: 54168
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: SYSOP or Cliff
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 21:07:57

    Is it soppose to mean something to use loyal users if you a the APOLLO SYSOP
    or Cliff KOLOSTOW???

    just wondering
    -------------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============-------------

    Message: 54169
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Data...
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 22:44:04

         I am currently in the process of developing research for a
         thesis.  The topic of this research is "Computer Security in
         the Manufacturing Environment".

         I am seeking your assistance in obtaining information
         relevant to this topic, as there currently exists no
         published data. Specifically, I would like to reach people
         in industry who have involvement in Computer Integrated
         Manufacturing (CIM), and related fields, and would be
         willing to provide me some information on their experiences
         with computer security in that environment.

         Helpful information would include policies and procedures
         (current or past), actual experiences, etc., regarding
         Computer Security (in its broadest interpretation),
         implemented specifically in the Computer Integrated
         Manufacturing (CIM) and related environments.  Suggestions
         gladly considered.

    (continued...)

    Message: 54170
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Data...(continued)
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 22:47:12

    (...continued)
         The data obtained will be compiled and published in Spring
         1989, as my master's thesis.

         I can be contacted as follows:
             work:                       home:
                 Michael Kielsky             1902 E. St. Catherine
                 Sr. Software Engineer       Phoenix, AZ  85040
                 TAG Software                (602) 276-4663
                 5420-100 W. Camelback
                 Glendale, AZ  85301
                 (602) 939-3580 or 242-9401
                 (602) 939-9671 (Fax)
             or via electronic mail:
                 BITNET address:  AGMGK@ASUACVAX

         If you know of anyone else who might be able to help me out,
         please feel free to pass along a copy of this letter.

         Your help will be appreciated.     - Michael Kielsky

    Message: 54171
    Author: Frank Terre
    Category: Question?
    Subject: $tatus
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 23:25:38

    Is it worth the $10 for status on this system?

    Frank

    Message: 54172
    Author: Shane Brown
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: girl
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 00:25:53

    I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS GIRL, THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO AND MEET HER

    Message: 54173
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 01:08:35

    O.k.  So get to the point!

    -------------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============-------------

    Message: 54174
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: Service
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 02:00:44

            No, you guys have not gotten rid of me yet.  I still service
    Computers such as Drive Alignments, Computer repair, Printer service and
    repair.  This can include Commodore 64, TRS-80 and IBM PC type computers.

            I still rep the SANYO line of fine PC Compatibles, Houston Plotters
    and other Hi-Quality Computer equipment.

            Leave mail here or give me a call at 843-3346 ... If you get my
    answer machine, just leave a message and I will get back to you.

            I may be out of my store, but the Land Lord is no longer a partner
    and my overhead is reduced.

            I will mention that I have a neat Machine Shop...  A BridgePort Mill
    with digital readout and long table.  A 17 inch swing Lathe, and other
    support equipment.

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54175
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: For sale
    Subject: last few items
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 02:05:54

            Shop type enclosed storage shelves (pressed wood) $15.00

            One Sales Counter (cost about $1000.00 new)... $100.00

            Two phone system that will handle 5 lines.... $100.00 (ITT)

            Office Desk with steel draws..... ((SOLD))

            Computer desk on casters..... $35.00

            Student desk (fixer-uper)..... $20.00

            Alarm system, with two motion sensors..... $50.00

    Whoops, almost forgot... One almost new Micro Wave Oven $75.00

                    And NO TAXes on this stuff gang!

    P.S.  The Phone system was a little over $700.00 new...

    Cliff, Happy and UN-Employed!

    Message: 54176
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 03:42:59

    When can we have another GT at your place?

    Message: 54177
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 04:23:06

    Don't you know any geography?

    Message: 54178
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Lady in White
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 04:40:06

    Got to watch this excellent ghost story yesterday.
    Not the modern day blood, guts and gore horror flick. Just a very well
    acted, well written ghost story. The kind that is full of surprises and
    keeps you on the edge of your seat.I would highly recommend it to anyone who
    doesn't have a bad heart.
     I certainly agree with your opinion of Hitchcock, Ann. He is still the
    master of the macabre.

    Message: 54179
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 04:48:17

    How come, every time you adveretise the microwave, the price goes up? You
    started oout at $50, then it went to $60, and now it's $75. This seems to
    contradict some of the laws of buying and selling, supply and demand, horse
    trading and a few others.
    I'll give you $30 for it. Offer valid for the next 48 hours only.

    Message: 54180
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/movie
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 07:43:00

    Is that movie 'Lady in White' at the video stores? My favorite above
    favorites is a good ghost story and the best are usually without all the
    blood and guts! I like to be frightened and a ghost will do it everytime!
    Unfortunately, I've seen and read so much, that I'm almost immune - the last
    movie to scare me was Phycho and the last book I read that did was 'The
    Shining' by the master of the macabre Steven King. So you can see - it's
    been along time. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. Don't forget that movie 'The Uninvited'!

    Message: 54181
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Circle K
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 07:50:21

    Too bad Circle K dropped it's drug policy to limit medical care coverage for
    employees suffering from AIDS, alcohol or drug abuse! I thought they had a
    right to do that, but the media put too much pressure to them. Especially
    the alcohol & drugs. These things - even if they are not actually used on
    the job, can create problems while the person is on the job. It's ironic
    that AIDS is the only thing that may NOT be the employee's fault!
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54182
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 08:39:57

    I'll give you $8.50 for the microwave.

    Message: 54183
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/Microwave
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 11:38:18

            We have found a use for it... We are not exactly in a hurry to get
    rid of it now.  And when we were selling it for $50.00, that was to get
    people into the store.... and let them carry it out...  Since then we have
    priced them in stores such as "Price Savers" and you can't get that model
    that cheap.  It was a super deal at $50.00 (40.00 was an insult for a unit
    you would not even look at) and $75.00 is a good deal still.
            The DEMAND went up when we found a use for it...

            I'd rather MicroWave two bags of popcorn at the SAME time then sell
    it for $50.00!

                    DEMOCRATS!!!!  Arrrrrrgh! Want every thing for next to
    nothing!

    Cliff   ((-:}  Smile!

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    Message: 244
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: James H./Thang
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:34:41

    But I only have two! Is 'PenisInc' gonna send me more perhaps? Heh heh heh!
    Fess up lad! You are my prime suspect! Step forward and claim your
    'greatness'! THANG is on par with with the sculptures of Rodin and
    Micheanglo! Don't be shy!

    By the way - who did you use for the model? Or did you use yourself -
    forming it on yourself while still soft (the Cel-U-Clay that is!) and then
    braking it away when it hardened? Tell us the details!

    When Sandy saw it for the first time - after me prying her off of it, she
    said it certainly resembled you - but will admit she also said it resemble
    Zak also, plus Cliff and Daryl. She ought to know! =*--Annie the ASSp--*=

    Message: 245
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Mighty Sysop
    Date: 09/15/88  Time: 06:37:48

    Now that you do not work - where are you? Arn't you gonna post anymore? It
    seems like you havn't in a week! Are you going to let some of these
    outragious statements go un-challenged? Not like you! =*--Annie the ASSp--*=

    Message: 246
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Mighty SYSOPs
    Subject: Ann/loan
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 00:31:47

            I suppose one would be able to get a 'Tawdry Tale' out of you
    lending me Thang; however I was hoping for another subject matter.

    Message: 247
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Sandy/story theme
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 09:24:28

    OK, why don't you choose from the below categories for a story theme ...

    1. THANG! (the material is un-limited here!)
    2. Blood & Gore! (My favorite - lots of heads being ripped off - hearts
    being pulled out (through the nose!) - people being beaten with their own
    legs after they were horribly hacked off!)
    3. Fantasy ( this category could be improved with - heads being ripped off -
    hearts being pulled out (through the nose!) - people being beaten with their
    own legs after they were horribly hacked off --- by the Prince & Princess or
    by the Apollo Sysops!
    4. Sex!!

    Put your 'X' after the one you like! =*--Annie the ASSp--*=

    Message: 248
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Choice
    Date: 09/16/88  Time: 20:36:58

            I pick number 2.

    Message: 250
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Sandy/choice
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 09:55:54

    GOOD choice!  =*--Annie the ASSp--*=

    Message: 251
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: The Story
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 09:57:27

    The sign over the entrance read 'Slumberland Cemetery' in faded gothic
    lettering. Two wrought iron angels graced the huge iron gates, looking
    more like demons than angels. One gate was swinging in the wind, making
    an ear jarring squeak and looked to be ready to fall off it's hinges at
    any time. Many people did not know that this was Phoenix's oldest
    cemetery. Some of the first settlers were buried there and also some of
    the Indians. But most of the tombstones were rotted away and all of the
    Indians were buried in unmarked graves. At the turn of the century and
    later years, no decent white folks would be buried with an dirty
    Indian, but there had been no place to bury them, so they did it in the
    dark of night and no one knew except for the caretaker and grave
    digger. Sometimes when a new grave was dug, they'd find the rotting
    bones of some long dead Indian and just bury the new body right along
    with them and no one was the wiser.

    People also didn't know that the cemetery was still in use. The last
    body was buried there in 1987.

    On this dank and clammy September night, the ancient caretaker was
    making his rounds. Lately, kids were coming in and upsetting the
    tombstones or writing graffiti and he hoped to catch them in the act.
    He wanted to scare the hell out of them. Actually, he need not bother
    to do anything because one look at him would scare the hell out of most
    folks! His face was lined deeply and he looked to be - Cont.

    Message: 252
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 09:58:47

    Cont. --- from one of the graves himself. His hands were like clubs and
    the fingernails had fetid dirt permanently embedded underneath them.
    His back was bent over caused from so many years of digging graves. He
    now walked with a slow shuffle. No one knew where he came from or how
    long he'd been the caretaker and grave digger. They would be surprised
    to know that at one time he was a famous Phoenix locksmith with the
    best of reputations. In those days, he walked straight as an arrow with
    a youthful twinkle in his eye and humor was his mainstay. James Hawley
    was his given name, but he had acquired the name 'Digger' so long ago
    that even he forgot what his real name was. He didn't care. The
    Cemetery was his whole life and he wasn't going to let some damn drug
    using kids mar 'His Cemetery' and he'd get them for sure!

    His lantern cast eerie shadows on the tombstones as he shuffled by each
    one. His feet were kicking up the long dead leaves. Soon, he had
    reached the newer section of the Cemetery and stopped dead in his
    tracks. Something was wrong - dead wrong! That smell! It meant only one
    thing to Digger! Those rotten kids had dug up a grave! He made haste
    down the long aisles of the dead, all the time, the odor getting
    stronger. He reached the last one and held his lantern high.
    "Damn. I was right!" He thought to himself. "That grave has been
    tampered with!"           Cont.

    Message: 253
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 10:00:19

    Cont.
    Digger bent close and peered at the Epitaph which read
                              ____________
                             /            \
                             :   R.I.P    :
                             :            :
                             :    DAVID   :
                             :  BURKHART  :
                             :    died    :
                             :    1987    :
                             :            :
                             :"This is a  :
                             :silly thing :
                             :  to have   :
                             :happened to :
                             :    me!"    :
               ______________:____________:________________

    "Why, this is the newest cadaver to be buried here!" Digger mutter
    under his foul breath. He moved his lantern over the worm infested
    earth and his blood seemed to stop in his veins and turn to ice!
    "It can't be!" he cried aloud. "This grave looks like someone dug their
    way out of it instead of someone digging into it!"

    Message: 255
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 10:09:02

    Cont.
    He could see footprints coming out of the grave. Maggots squirming in
    each indented outline in the damp ground!

    He followed them to the wrought iron entrance gate and they disappeared
    on the asphalt beyond! He suddenly remembered that he used to know the
    cadaver long ago and once called him friend. He also remembered with a
    chilling feeling that the cadaver had a score to settle with someone
    but the name eluded him.

    Digger was more frightened than he ever had been and he started back
    towards the caretaker's shack. When he got inside, he bolted the door
    and sat back in his chair with a plop - his heart racing in his sunken
    chest. He was wiping the sweat from his brow when it came to him like
    someone hit him over the head with a hammer! "I know who he had a score
    to settle with! My God - its ...........?

    Message: 256
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/17/88  Time: 12:27:21

    Very good Annie You should write a book. Perhaps David King would be willing
    to help you.
                           The Old Fart Ralph

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     3:                                Rod
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     5:think of that?
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    Blehm, Ralph
    Burkhart, David
    Carls, Steven
    Carter, Mike
    Hamilton, Alan
    Hawley, James
    Ianuzzi, Nick
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