### Apollo BBS Archive - May 14 - 15, 1990

    Mail from Apollo SYSOP
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 07:37:45

    That small, square piece of metal (as you call it) has fallen out of a
    number of those drives.  I don't think they used very good glue...
    Glad you were able to figure it out.

    No, there was no God that helped you on that... just your brain and your
    FREE WILL that let you try it.

    clif-
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I was told by James Hawley's friend, Mike Donnelly, that the piece that fell
     2:out was a 'head travel' restrictor.  I used a two part, quick dry, model
     3:rocket, epoxy.  All I did was to move the system to a new location and all
     4:of a sudden the drive had trouble reading.
     5:
     6:I figured it was either find the trouble and fix it or spend a hundred or
     7:two on labor.  Jasmine is due in July and so is Christian.
     8:
     9:Take care,   Rod

    Mail from Apollo SYSOP
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 19:00:33

    Rod
            I will have to make plans on picking up that GT tape you have.
    I almost made it down there yesterday afternoon...but got sidelined by my
    cousin.   If you should have a lock job near this side of town, give me a
    call.

            Take care you atheiest scum!

                            clif-
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I will talk to James as he has more calls up that way.  The last time I had
     2:one anywhere near there was........I can't remember because I give
     3:everything north of here to him.  I'll phone him tonight.  I'll bet the
     4:completed tape will be really good.
     5:
     6:I am doing another Apollo booklet on debate.  Should be fun.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 6494
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/Pastor
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:11:38

    To leave church simply because a Pastor moves (IMHO*) is not a God-pleasing
    action. As a Christian, one's first responsibility is to God. To leave His
    house forever simply due to a pastoral change is (again IMHO*) putting one's
    personal interests before God. I know because I faced a similar dilemma when
    our church released it's Assistant Pastor from his call. He was a young
    pastor, fresh out of the seminary, full of life and fire for the Lord. He
    was terrific to talk with, and his sermons were incredible. One year after
    he was taken on as Assistant Pastor, he was released due to lack of funds to
    continue his salary. I attended the voters meeting and voted to keep him in
    and figure out another way of solving the church's financial problems.
    However, his supporters were outnumbered by a larger number of people
    willing to approve his release (including a large number of members I had
    NEVER seen in church before - I still suspect a little foul play from some
    of the church members that didn't like him.) I pondered the thought of
    leaving the church in protest. But I prayed on the matter, and then
    concluded that:

    [A] My first responsibility is to God in EVERYTHING.

    [B] To leave simply because of a Pastoral release would not be right,
        as the teaching and preaching I had come to respect from the church
        had not changed. It would have simply been a 'sour grapes' response.

    This is why I stayed.

    Message: 6495
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/6493
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:13:17

    A Christian should never let the Pastor become his/her "god," as he is
    simply there as a servant to God, himself.

    Message: 6496
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Oops...Footnote
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:24:45

    * IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

    Message: 6497
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: daryl/IMHO
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 20:49:07

    Oh. coulda fooled me.

    Message: 6498
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 01:18:54

    Well, a book you've been reading sure did.

    Message: 6499
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 07:58:14

    Ok.  I 'll jump in.
    Wo if you like a particular teacher at school and sign up for a class
    specifically because that teacher is teaching it, why shouldn't one stay
    with a particular paster, father, reverend, etc?  They may only be the
    "servant of God" as you say but if one servant says something better than
    any other, wouldn't you want to be in that ones church?

    Message: 6500
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl on pastor
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 10:18:13

    Yeah - I had a lot of sour grapes towards him. But I did not leave the
    church because he left - I just change my way of thinking. In fact, I didn't
    leave right away at all - about 6-8 months later. He made going to that
    church a real treat - when he left I didn't need or want it! Just being
    honest. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 6501
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl/servant
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 20:56:55

    I am, at present, a servant of capitalism.  I would not like to be homeless
    at this point in my life.  If I were without a home I doubt if I would stay
    in a city.  I'd probably head to Idaho, Montana or some other wilderness
    area.

    I do not nor would not serve this God guy you keep talking about.  If he
    would like to serve me that is fine.  I pay $2.25 per hour plus a free Big
    Gulp or Slurpee each day.  That's my final offer for unskilled labor.

    Fact is, I've taken part in training about nine people to be locksmiths and
    for the first several months I get less done, not more.  So, if this God guy
    wants to work for me then I will need about $1000 per month until he gets
    good at serving me.  Anything less, forget it.
                                            Rod

    Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 65592
    Author: Jeffrey Lochansky
    Category: Question?
    Subject: drug dealers
    Date: 05/13/90  Time: 23:50:39

    from Mad Max
    to Rod Williams

    I think you are nuts! Is being an addict a good excuse to become a drug
    dealer? If you think so my first statement is correct! I did not say any
    thing about killing the cristians, and the statement that they will be
    hounded like the jews in WW2 is pure bull!!!. I think you have a complex.
    Who was talking about the book of revelations anyways, I shure wasnt.
    Now back to the original subject: any addict who wants help cant get it,
    it just matters how badly you want to be free of drugs. Some people enjoy
    drugs, so they keep on doing them, but that is no excuse to become a dealer
    so you can support your habit. If you deal because you are a addict, and
    dont want any help, you are just as bad as the rest of them. I am getting
    tiered of all the lives that are being ruined because of drugs, this turn
    the other cheek buissness just isnt working. I think we ( the people) have
    no choice but to become thougher. Some of the new laws are proving that.
    personally I believe the death penalty for a drug related killing is the
    perfect answer. The same goes for the dealer were the system prove a death
    ie. like some poor 9 year old dieing of an overdose.
    I am not a radical person, neather am I macho, I am just feed up with drugs.

    ======================MAD MAX==============================

    Message: 65593
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ultimate/jeff
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 00:01:56

    to Daryl Westfall
    from Jeff L.
    my program lets me change wordbit set at 8 by me, parity set at none by me,
    stop bit set at 1 by me. I can also set linefeed set at yes by me, and
    linefilter  set at yes by me. I can also choose terminal type which I set at
    ANSI. I just cant understand why it isnt working?
    :
    :

    Message: 65594
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drug dealers
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 00:08:31

    I agree, but then we would be vigilantes. If we take the to south america,
    the goverment would drop the bomb and it would all be legale. Sounds to good
    and easy to work, what a shame. Read my post before this and tell me what
    you think.
    talk at you later
    ================================MAD MAX=====================================

    Message: 65595
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 00:29:56

      Wouldn't it make more sense for the rest of the world to bomb us? The drug
    dealers are already here, and the expense of rounding them up and moving
    them would be spared. Actually it might make more sense for us to bomb
    ourselves in order to kill the drug dealers. That is not much different from
    what we are doing to our society in stages in the name of drug war.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 65596
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Adultery
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 00:31:42

       It is interesting how religious folk have these little labels for the
    private sexual activities of others. If the participants are not married,
    which is to say they didn't bring the church or the state into their
    relationship, then it is called fornication. If one or more of the people
    involved is married to someone else, then it is called adultery. These
    words enforce a claim by the church and the state that only they can endow
    a sexual relationship between individuals with goodness.
       Maybe we should change the language a little bit in this area for the
    sake of clarity. Fornication could apply to single people who believe in
    God, believe that it is terribly wrong for them to have sex, and do it
    anyway. Adultery could apply to people who are married, believe in God,
    believe that it is terribly wrong for them to have sex outside their
    marriage, and do it anyway. Adultery could also apply to single people who
    believe in God, believe it is terribly wrong for them to have sex with a
    married person, and do it anyway.
       Then we need a word for private sector, secular sex. You know, sex
    between people who haven't invited any Gods or bureaucrats in to direct
    their love lives. It could apply to people who aren't married and don't
    think the church or the state have any business questioning or classifiying
    what they do, and to people who are married to each other rather than to
    religious dogma and don't see sex as a destructive force. Maybe we could
    call it noneofyourdamnbusinesstery, or nonydambitery.
       Sex between properly married religious folk should probably be referred
    to as forgiven sex or forgivenication.

    Message: 65597
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last / Dean
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 01:45:32

    No matter how you look at it;
    Wrong is wrong.
    You can sluff it off and beg ignorance, but like the rest, one will
    answer to what is right and what is wrong.
    It's unfortunate that we have to be tested, but at least it separates
    the chaff from the oats.
    You must reconcile your own actions. Inside, I believe, everyone knows
    the difference between right and wrong. It's just how much
    credence and attention you give that...(feeling? knowledge?)

    I wish that things were different. That everyone was at peace
    and there were no such doubts in mens hearts. But that makes
    the difference between those who search and those who are just
    simply followers.

    One day you will understand. I really hope it's not the last day.

    Message: 65598
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Drug Warz / Lochansk
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 02:09:42

    Why bother at all?
    It will only make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
    Drug wars or drug deals. No difference.
    See what I say and witness what they do.
    Let the self destructive cannon fodder kill themselves.
    Let the corruption begin.
    Allow free loading.
    It's the only way... there's no hope because there's no morals and
    there's no morals because no one believes in them.
    When someone preaches morals someone else
    preaches the "enlightened" way of self corruption.
    Corrupt, pillage,destroy, do it while it feels good.
    Hey, there's no God because no one wants to think so.
    If there's no God then there's no morals, no laws, no regulations
    and certainly no boundaries to the amount of killing, looting and
    pillaging you can swim in.
    In fact, why not f--k your neighbour's wife and make more babies to
    be sacrificed in the great name of self indulgance and personal
    choice abortion?
    Yeah....
       That's
                 the
                      ticket

    Message: 65599
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/Cosmo
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 05:15:40

     Since Cosmopolitan claims to speak for the modern woman, this is at least
    an indication of the depths to which the women's lib movement has sunk.
     When the movement began, and women were trying desparately to break the
    bonds of second-class citizenship that had chained them to the bedroom and
    kitchen for years, I was all for it. However, with the advent of the likes
    of Helen Gurley Brown and some of the lesbians who have come to the
    forefront of the movement, it has declined to another attack on the moral
    fibre of the nation. It is a good example of the pendulum swinging too far
    in the other direction.

    Message: 65600
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 05:18:32

     Sexual sins are sexual sins, be they adultery, fornication or whatever. The
    prescribed punishment is the same.
     Of course there is always room for forgiveness and restoration should one
    turn from sinful ways and seek it.

    Message: 65601
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:04:42

    Thanks.  I guess this means that everybody will see the final results, as
    there will be a "new" message in the storeroom?

    Message: 65602
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Carter
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:05:08

    This is a test?  Do you have a crib sheet?

    Message: 65603
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:06:00

    By living in society, one *has* given bureaucrats (and others) the right to
    name your "sins".  This is part of the social contract.  You can work to
    change it, or you can leave the  society.

    Message: 65604
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:09:16

    You should know why I hung up.  I'd like my "right to [V]ote" back, even if
    I choose not to exercise it this time.

    And stop invading my privacy.

    Message: 65605
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: last?
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:34:39

            How am I invading your privacy?   I can see if you [V]ote or don't
    [V]ote, but I can't tell WHAT you [V]oted for if you did [V]ote.

            Your right to [V]ote back?  Errrr, it was not taken away dork!
    How about my rights?   First off, you piss me off because you can't find the
    results (that were there by the way) and say that because the [V]ote did not
    turn out like I wanted, I am hiding the results!
            Now you are telling people I took away your right to [V]ote and that
    is a lot of crap!  Crap you like feeding users to make me look bad.  Well,
    buddy, the reason you can't [V]ote is the old [V]ote was removed to my
    buffer last night at midnight, to get it ready for me to upload in the
    STOre Room SIG sometime today.  And there is no NEW [V]ote, so you assume
    your right has been removed?  Why do you assume that?  Because it is a
    negative against me.... and you like that!

            Since the concept of Dated headers to fit the sequence of events is
    no longer importaint...  I will post the [V]ote results on the [P]ublic
    board and destroy the STOrage SIG.  I mean the whole reason behind that SIG
    was a dated record of events... when they happened!  Not a month later just
    to be convenient for users to do a lazy scan.  Why waste space...  let's
    make it easy!  EVERYONE can read the PUBlic board!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65606
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: old JFK poll
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:38:20

    posted 05/10/90
    Do you believe the President Kennedy assassination as told to us was the
    truth?

    [A] Yes!  I feel it was told as it happened and there was no conspiracy.
    [B] No! I feel there was a cover-up of a conspiracy.
    [C] I have no thoughts on this subject.

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 2    [B] 14   [C] 4

    This was just a quicky poll...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65607
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: old Governor vote
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 08:47:07

    This [V]ote question submitted by Beauregard Dog 04/18/90

    If the primaries were held today, the following would be how I would
    act on that day.

       I am aregistered Republican, and I will vote for:
      (A)  Fred Koory
      (B)  J. Fife Symington
      (C)  Evan Mecham
      (D)  Bob Barnes
      (E)  Sam Steiger
      (F)  nobody

      I am a registered Democrate, and I will vote for:
      (G)  Dave Moss
      (H)  Terry Goddard
      (I)  nobody
      (J)  I am not a registered Republican or Democrat

    Poll results:
    [A] 3    [B] 4    [C] 1    [D] 0    [E] 8    [F] 3    [G] 1    [H] 0
    [I] 2    [J] 12
    Note: I entered the [J] for my selection.  I hope [E] makes it, and I will
    give him my real VOTE.  What did B-Dog think I was hiding?

    Message: 65608
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: rod/sin
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 09:10:40

    That's why I think that Jesus is more like Joseph Doakes (really? Joe
    Doakes?) than God. For if he is God, then he went through this bizarre
    exercise of being a man for a while, "dying" on the cross, and getting
    resurrected. Much, much better if Jesus was really a man, for then he gave
    up everything. Good post.

    Message: 65609
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 09:41:37

    Is there something in your mental make-up that you feel you HAVE to start
    wars with people every other week?  And before you point your finger at
    them, notice that no one else seems to have such a problem but you.
    "Don't be parinoid;  they ARE out to get you."

    Message: 65610
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Governor
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 11:22:54

    I thought it was interesting that Mecham got more votes than Goddard.  I
    would like to know who voted for Mecham.

    Message: 65611
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mizz Dee?
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 11:46:29

            Are you blind?  Look at Dog's post number 65586.  Note Mizz Dee that
    is posted BEFORE my reply.  And you say *I* started it!  By golly, you are
    blind.  In his post he implied I hid the results because I did not like
    them.   A put down and an attack on me if I ever saw one.  Had Dog just
    asked, "Where are the Vote results"... I would have gladly told him to use
    the [F]ind cmd and look for 'VOTE' or 'GOVERNOR' as the seach string.

            Maybe you had better apollogize to me for a change Mizz Dee!

            This is what I get for posting Dog's [V]ote question... It just
    ain't worth it.   There will be no more questions by users posted in the
    [V]ote cmd.
            That should solve that!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65612
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: nonydambitery
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 14:10:20

       The social contract, as I recognize it, grants government a right to
    exist for the sole purpose of protecting individuals from harm. Interfering
    in their non-coercive consensual behavior by 'naming it a sin' is a type of
    harm the social contract should oppose, rather than excuse.
       Let those who are involved determine what is right for themselves. If
    they choose to accept religious doctrine on the subject, so be it. If they
    do not, then let them live as they choose and deal with only the real
    consequences of their actions. People who are not pre-conditioned to react
    to sex with guilt and deceit are not at great emotional risk from
    themselves.
       The religious view of sex, other than forgivenication, is that it is
    destructive and must lead to ruined relationships, disease, and unwanted
    pregnancy. Just as religion assumes that the individual is incapable of
    handling personal relationships without its governance, it assumes that the
    individual is incapable of exercising proper caution regarding sex. In
    reality, where disease and unwanted pregnancy do occur as a result of
    sex, it is the ignorance fostered by religious attitudes which is most to
    blame.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 65613
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Adam/Eve
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:26:36

    I must have missed something somewhere. Who was of the opinion that Adam and
    Eve were not real people?

    Message: 65614
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Jesus
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:29:12

    Jesus "did" die.

    The dude that set himself on fire is to be pitied. His "effort" was for
    naught. All he did was commit suicide.

    Message: 65615
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/65596
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:39:49

    Just because you make an attempt to change the name for something doesn't
    change what it is. Case in point: The Christian religion says that murder is
    wrong. You take an atheist that goes out and kills someone in cold blood.
    Shall we say that that wasn't a murder?

    Dean, just because someone tells you that adultery or premarital sex is
    wrong, that doesn't mean that you are going to stop doing it if that is what
    you have your mind set upon. If it bothers you that the Christians are call-
    ing a sin a sin, then the problem seems to be in your own conscience.
    Perhaps deep inside you know it's a sin, but in your selfish rebellion you
    want to try and do your best to try and convince yourself that it's not.
    That is why you have to lash out at those who are simply stating their
    opinion. You seem to have attacked it with great vigor and defensiveness.
    Does the fact that God calls it a sin bother you, Dean?

    Message: 65616
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Cosmo
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:42:07

    Agreement.

    Dean, was your post a response to my "Cosmo" post?

    Do you SUPPORT active extra-marital sexual relationships?

    Are you against the sanctity of monogamy within the bonds of matrimony?

    Tell me, Dean, just where DO you stand on this matter?

    Message: 65617
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Jesus
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:50:28

    But he WAS a man. You are just showing your lack of knowledge concerning the
    Bible. When Christ became flesh, he took on two natures: Deity AND
    humanity. These were not seperate. Christ was TRUE God and TRUE man. In his
    human nature, Jesus was tempted, and suffered just like any other human
    being. But because he was God, he was also without sin. When Christ died on
    the cross, he felt the pain just like any of us would have felt. It was
    real. It was unbearable. PLUS he had the weight of the world's sins cast
    upon him (EVERY sin) and was forsaken by his Father. When he died, he really
    died. Christ, the man died on the cross. And yes, God died on the cross as
    well. You can't split the natures.

    (God the Son died on the cross, not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit,
    just for those of you who do not know your Bible.) Ask me how this can be, I
    will have to say, I DON'T KNOW. I do not try to "reason God down to my
    level." Scripture says it.

    Message: 65618
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/65610/Mecham
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 16:51:17

    Something tells me that Rod was one of them. Don't ask me why. (grin, Rod!)

    Message: 65620
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Sign O' The Times
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 17:01:53

    "And since they regarded it as worthless to hold on to the true knowledge of
    God, God handed them over to the control of a mind that is worthless, to
    live immorally. Their lives are full of all kinds of unrighteousness,
    wickedness, greed, malice. They slander and are hated by God. They are
    haughty, proud, boastful. They invent new evils. They disobey parents. They
    are foolish. They break their promises. They are loveless and show no mercy.
    Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things
    deserve to die, they not only continue to do them but approve of others who
    do them." (Romans 1:28-32, NET)

    -----

    Do these words offend you?

    Message: 65621
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: drug dealers
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 17:31:06

    It sound to me like you deal drugs for a living, the way you defend those
    scum. Not seeing and ignoring the problem we have will not make it go away,
    as a matter of fact it will make it worse. I dont think the problem will
    destroy it self. the bible is not the answer to all problems, it was written
    2000 years ago, they had no drug problem back then. My saying to drop the
    bomb on all drug dealers was a figure of speach, not ment literaly. Your
    saying to follow the sriptures is not going to help it go away. I think just
    waiting for the problem to solve it self is ludicres. the bible does talk
    about alcohol, but you can not relate that to drugs, the proportions are way
    out of line. Nobody kill over a pint of wiskey. They will kill over a gram
    of cocaine. And they dont just kill themselfs, they kill inocent people to
    I hope for your sanity you will see what I mean. What will you say when the

    person killed is you wife,sister,brother mother, father,or children.
    will you still ignore the problem and say the good lord will make it go away
    I agree the scriptures have many answers, but I dont think for this one they
    dont. think about it, dont ignore it and treat it like it doesnt exist.
    Later on===============MAD MAX==============

    Message: 65622
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Identical copies
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 19:49:53

    Where do you get your information that they are identical? Of course, once
    translated, they all read the same. Errors do occur. There are many examples
    of that. The "Red" sea may have not been meant the way it sounded. Someone
    could have dropped an "e". Parting the REED sea is more believable, and
    likely, in the area traveled.

    Message: 65623
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Peter
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 20:40:24

    Rod:65590: Not to mention sin won't make your butt sore(unless you are into
    some fringe sin).

    About Peter: Maybe the Yucca had a stun gun.

    Message: 65624
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: daryl/santa
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 20:44:31

    Me. I take it you believe in Santa Claus, also.

    Message: 65625
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: daryl/scripture
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 20:45:47

    Oh sure. If scripture says it, it MUST be true. Wake up.

    Message: 65626
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: romans
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 20:47:57

    Sounds like a perfect description of some of the "Christians" on this
    board.

    Message: 65627
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: translation errors
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 21:03:55

    Actually, "red" is correct: "sea" is not.  Unless you know Hebrew, the
    linguistic explaination is useless, so I will merely state for the record
    that the word is "mead."  Mead was a popular drink in those days, and a
    common colloquialism, to "part the red mead," refers to the habit of
    separating the brown foam, which had a bitter taste, from the red mead,
    which was semi-sweet.  In fact, the foam and the mead were emulsified, and
    it was impossible to separate the two, even with a strainer.  Thus, the
    phrase came in time to refer to any impossible act.

    Message: 65628
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans/Red vs. Reed
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 21:40:00

    Oh, yeah. Silly us. Moses and the Prophets and Matthew and all the Apostles
    spoke and wrote English! That makes up for that dropped "e".

    Most Bibles with footnotes make note of the fact that the "Red Sea" can also
    be read as the "Sea of Reeds." But it's not because of your "dropped 'e'"
    theory. That's just silly.

    Message: 65629
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/65624
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 21:42:15

    Uh, I don't think so.

    (Why I keep responding to such OBVIOUSLY pointless posts, I'll never know.)

    Uh, yeah. I believe in the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, and Santa
    Claus, and The Great Pumpkin and all of those guys.

    Doy.

    Message: 65630
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/65625
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 21:46:09

    "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but
    to those of us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians
    1:18)

    Again, I ask. Which of us needs to wake up?

    Message: 65631
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/65626
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 22:01:40

    Ok. Ok. Enough is enough.

    Your attacks have gone more than far enough.

    (Romans) "Sounds like a perfect description of the 'Christians' on this
    board."

    I'm sick of venom like this, spewed simply to raise the ire of the
    Christians on this board. Posts like 65626 serve no other positive purpose.
    They are devised solely to slander and mock those of us who have believe in
    God. You are surely no judge of who is and isn't a Christian. We laugh, just
    like you do. We cry, like you. And when our God is spit at and mocked at by
    the likes of some on this board, you had better bet we are going to respond.
    We have answered, and all the atheists on this board have managed to do is
    belittle us, attempt to judge our faith, and call us names. Now, granted,
    there have been some intelligent responses, and I am not one to neglect
    giving credit where credit is due. But for the most part, the general
    response from the atheist users is sick humor, venom, and insults. Now, I
    know that God does not change one bit just because of some petty insult
    hurled at him. "If we disown Him, He will also disown us. If we do not
    believe, He remains faithful because He cannot disown Himself." (2 Timothy
    2:12b-13, NET)

    So, go ahead and mock God and spit on His followers, it doesn't matter. We
    have something better to look forward to, and that makes any hardships we
    endure here on earth bearable. Even judgment and mockery by non-believers.
    We do not have to answer to them, but we answer to God, and all who profane
    His name will have to answer to Him as well.

    "Wake up." "Wake up." "Stop sleeping." "Face reality and wake up." I am
    awake, Roger. WIDE awake. I see things with a different set of eyes than you
    do. And I am not ashamed to say that I would rather put my trust in the
    'foolishness of God' than in the 'wisdom of men.' "But to those who are
    called, both Jews and Greeks, He is Christ, God's power and God's wisdom,
    because they have learned to know that God's foolishness is wiser than man's
    wisdom, and God's weakness is stronger than man's strength." (1 Corinthians
    1:24-25, NET)

    The atheist users on Apollo challenge the Christians to respond to their
    posts, and when they do, the atheists respond by attempting to bring their
    beliefs into question. I've tried to reply to posts responsibly and calmly
    as often as possible, and I STILL get slammed. What's the point in
    continuing these conversations? Your obvious intention is not to discuss the
    Bible intelligently, but to draw us in to your trap so that you can try to
    make us look like fools. (Gee, I bet I REALLY don't sound like a Christian,
    do I, Roger?) Well, I am shaking the dust from my feet in this matter
    (Matthew 10:14; read it). Enough is just about enough.

    Message: 65633
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last Two
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 22:33:06

    I understand that I might have "lumped" too many people together. When I
    speak of the "atheists of Apollo," I speak of those members who make their
    atheistic non-belief (I'd call it a 'belief' but that would sound silly)
    known, and make a conscious effort to attack anyone who professes a belief
    in Yahweh God. I know there are silent atheists out there, as well as those
    who make their non-belief known but also are not looking to pick any fights
    with the Christian users.

    This is also not to say that I 'hate' ANYONE on this board. I may hate the
    things that some of the users say, but I certainly do not hate anyone on
    here. I'm sure that if I met Roger at a GT we would probably get along just
    fine. I would figure that Rod thinks me an OK guy in person.

    It just irks me when a non-Christian tries to judge my faith. Christ said,
    "Stop judging, and you will not be judged...You see, the measure you use
    will be used for you." (Luke 6:37,38) Christ was speaking about hypocritical
    judgment. Just as I cannot say that Rod is a "bad atheist" (as I am not
    in a position to judge in that matter, neither can he call me a "poor
    Christian." (He could possibly call me a "bad atheist" however! (GRIN))

    I am not looking to pick a fight. I will defend myself however. It doesn't
    make me a 'poor Christian,' it just shows I stand up for what I believe, and
    that I do believe. Here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen.

    Message: 65634
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff's votes
    Date: 05/14/90  Time: 23:06:12

    Good thing we only have to understand and not agree.

    I'm sorry to all of you users out there who may have wanted to suggest a
    [V]ote in the future.  How was I to know that it was that time of the month
    for Cliff?  Why can the Almighty Sisop post "in fun" messages and expect us
    not to get upset when we can't make the slightest tongue-in-cheek comments
    without the Wrath of Kolostow coming down on our heads?

    Message: 65635
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 00:49:46

    If your previous attack on Cliff was tongue in cheek, I'll buy that
    island out orbiting Saturn from you next week.

    Message: 65636
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: daryl
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 00:56:56

    ISAIAH 57 1-2;
    The good men perish; the godly die before their time and no one seems
    to care or wonder why. No one seems to realize that God is taking
    them away from evil days ahead. The the Godly who die shall rest in peace.
    ...
    Now read on 3 thru 21

    There will be that time of all time when all who have passed and been
    before...shall all stand before God in awe. And every knee...every knee,
    every tongue, every single last one, shall confess...
    That Christ is king.
    Their time of mockery here is short and will be even shorter than
    you or I think. For in any instant, death can be upon any of us.
    A car crash, a bomb, bullet, knife, heart attack...
    falling aircraft parts...during a party....sudden, instant and
    totally irreversible.
    Can't wait for the HVGT !

    Message: 65637
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 02:39:58

    Ann is ACTUALLY Peg Bundy from Married with Children.  She gets on this
    board in her free time between shoots.

    Message: 65638
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 02:51:20

    I've actually known quite a few drug dealers.  A couple have had
    definite problems, but for the most part they were conscienceable people.

    Oh, and someone will kill for a gram of coke?  Yeah, just like someone will
    kill when they've had too much alcohol.  What kills more?  Alcohol!  But
    because it's accepted, and you can buy it at the corner Circle K, it's ok.

    Yeah, pick up a pack of Camels too.  Got to get that nicotine.  Drugs are
    such a PROBLEM.  It's true.  But so are alcohol and cigarrettes.  They are
    things to be abused.  People should learn to abuse a little more
    responsibly.  Strange as that may seem.

    Oh, they didn't have drug problems 2000 years ago?  Yeah, right.

    Legalize marijuana and cocaine and 90% of your violence will disappear.  Get
    the gangs out of marketing.  RJ Reynolds will crank up coca plants in
    Columbia, and put billions into advertising within 3 years.  Coca Cola,
    ORIGINAL formula will sell in bars, for that slight 'extra' lift.

    People get shot for stealing liquor, and stealing cartons of cigarrettes.
    Almost everyone is addicted to something.  Perhaps it isn't looked on by
    most people as a 'drug', but they are.  Food, sex, BBSing or anything else
    that you desire to extremes.

    Message: 65639
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 03:03:56

    (Ala Dana Carvey)---->

    Oh, my, we're a righteous little Chreeeestian, aren't we?  Keeeeeep those
    little heathens from FORNICATING!  Wouldn't want them to have fun, WOULD we?

    No, no, you can't find out if you're sexually compatible.  Or it's
    FORNICATING!  Sex is the most natural thing in the world.  The urge is built
    in to us all.  Unless you're a gooooooooooood Christian.  Wouldn't want that
    ol' DEVIL to *tempt* you!

    (Dana Carvey off)

    So, Paul, what do you think of when you see a nice 20 year old girl?  In a
    bikini bathing suit.  You MUST think about saving her.  Slowly saving her.
    Hug her close.  Bring GOD to her.  HEAL her.  Make her hole.  You wouldn't
    want God to come to her too soon.

    What's wrong with two people having intercourse?  As long as they feel it is
    right, who are you to put your morals on the situation?

    Oh, right.  God says so.  The bible says so.  You're only interpreting it.
    I believe may people use the bible to back up their hatreds.  Of blacks, of
    homosexuals and many others.  People only need a crutch to hold them
    upright.  Man has been standing upright for awhile.  Recycle that beast!

    Message: 65640
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Hans/Copies
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 04:43:37

    Re: "Where do you get your information that they are identical?"

      Well, first off, they're not absolutely identical -- just about 90%
    identical.  I have a copy of the New Testament (called the "Majority Text")
    that has the wording of the majority of all of the known manuscripts at the
    top of the page, with all but two kinds of differences in the footnotes.
      The *vast* majority of the differences amount to either (1) switching the
    sequence of some words without changing the meaning, (2) substituting one
    grammatical form for another, without changing the meaning, or (3) inserting
    or omitting a nearly-meaningless word.
      Ignoring the above, there are *very* few differences from one manuscript
    to another, and there are *no* differences great enough that any two groups
    of Christians base their differences on differences in the manuscripts.

                                        =(O,O)=  Hoot!

    Message: 65641
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dean/sociology
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 05:49:15

    "The religious view of sex, other than forgivenication, is that it is
    destructive and must lead to ruined relationships, disease and unwanted
    pregnancy." Dean H.
     When you look at the recorded statistics concerning the upswing in
    divorces, (now somewhere around 50%), the AIDS and venereal diseases that
    are rampant in society today and the horrendous rise in abortions, how, pray
    tell, can you confine such an opinion to the narrow scope of "the religious
    view"?

    Message: 65642
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L.
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 05:56:17

     Just a little correction about your thoghts on the Bible. Contrary to your
    statement that the Scriptures do not hold the answer to the drug problem,
    they most certainly do. Read all that the Bible has to say about winebibbers
    and drunkards, and you can apply all of it to today's drug problem. Alcohol
    is the oldest addictive drug in the world, and still the most prevalent. The
    Holy Scriptures is a book alive with answers, if only people would read and
    believe!

    Message: 65643
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Glans
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 05:59:19

     "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
    seen." God.
     While the REED sea may be more believable to our finite minds, the RED sea
    is what was parted, according to God's Word. That requires more faith to
    believe. I'll believe God, to whom parting the RED sea to save His people
    would pose no real problem.

    Message: 65644
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Jeff Beck
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 06:01:51

     WOW! You mean then that all of Pharaoh's soldiers AND their horses drowned
    in a mug of beer?
     That's even more miraculous than the sea story!

    Message: 65645
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl's 3 posts
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 06:08:45

     A huge AMEN! to all of it!
     You have expressed my feelings on the matter very well. That is exactly why
    I at least try (not always successfully) to avoid these religious
    merry-go-rounds. They never convince anyone of anything, and as often as not
    end up with hurt feelings and damaged relationships. It's even worse when
    the "enemy" seems to attack from within, considering himself to be a
    Christian. I just figure that we will all have some things to answer for
    when we stand before our creator. Some a bit more than others.
     Great posting Daryl. God bless you and yours.

    Message: 65646
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: daryl/65629
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 07:38:43

    And Adam and Eve.

    Message: 65647
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/65630
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 07:42:05

    Where have I said I don't believe in the Cross ?

    Message: 65648
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: daryl/sick
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 07:45:15

    Apparently I have struck a nerve. Could it be the Holy Spirit working to
    convict you of your own shortcomings. Perhaps the beam in your eye needs
    attending to before you worry about the mote in mine.

    Message: 65649
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Holy Bible
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 07:50:32

    Would someone please make a convincing argument why I should believe that
    the Bible is the Word of God ?

    Message: 65650
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 08:45:17

            Give up on these atheists Daryl.. I am finding *most* of them just
    to hateful on everything to even bother with.  You try talking Christ, and
    they somehow come up talking about Santa and the Easter Bunny?  They just
    want to be silly and insulting.  That is the nature of atheists I suppose,
    so ignor them unless they post serious questions...forget their 'drivel'.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65651
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog's Vote
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 09:07:44

            Dog may say it was in jest...but in a chat, it was not in jest at
    all.   He even pointed out he would not bother to [V]ote for MY posted
    questions, but if I did not [V]ote for Dog's, I could not see the results
    and there by I could not post the results.  Seems unfair I HAVE to [V]ote
    for others...but they can put up their noses at me.  Hmmmmm
            I showed him personaly where the [V]ote results were stored and
    suggested that if he saw a problem with the way I was doing it, he might
    post a NICE message telling others where the results could be found.  He did
    not care about that afterall...he just wanted to slam me for cheating or
    hiding the results...  Makes him look better I suppose.

            Just maybe, from now on...only Christians can submit [V]ote
    questions to me. I never seem to have problems with them.

            Frankly, I would rather drop this whole damn thing... but Dee and
    Dog will keep at it fer sure.
            Your results are posted DOG...what MORE do you WANT?

    Message: 65652
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bobby on women
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 09:55:23

    Re: "two men for each women" --- I'd say that was about right! Now lets see
    .... I've got one, where is the other one hiding ......?
                         -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 65653
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on Cosmos
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 10:05:26

    Re: your ... " Since Cosmo. claims to speak for the modern woman, this is at
    least an indication of the depths to which the women's lib movement has
    sunk."
    The women's lib as only sunk as low as the male's equivalant - Playboy,
    Hustler et. al.
    This is not progress!!!
    I am - consider myself a very modern women - but some of the crapola the
    women's lib comes up with is plain idiotic and self defeating! As far as I'm
    concerned, Cosmos is one of these idiotic things. Being free - have equal
    freedoms is one thing - being 'free' from man is ridiculious! Hating man is
    ditto. However, I have liked some of their center folds on occasion. *Heh
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 65654
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: James
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 10:12:46

    Who is Peg Bundy? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 65655
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog on Joke?
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 10:48:18

            I may be wrong...  I know if Dog said it was a joke, I took it
    wrong.  But what Dog fails to understand, as SYSOP of this board, I MUST
    take posts seriously when it comes to possible complaints about how the
    system is run or not run.  I have pointed this out several times before, do
    not JOKE about a system complaint.  If I had laughed them off in the past,
    Apollo would never have developed into what it is today.  Greeking in the
    [P]ost Office and [V]ote sections were arrived at because of complaints.
    At one time years ago, I could tell what everyone [V]oted for by printing
    out the profile... that was changed to a Yes/No toggle because of a
    complaint, and now I have no WAY of telling what your [V]ote choice was.
            So, poke fun at me in otherways... but if you involve the system
    running itself into your *JOKE*, I WILL take it serious.
            I did not mean to upset Dog...but he upset me.  I will do whatever I
    can to solve a problem...if that means there will be no more [V]ote
    questions, then by God...that is what I will do.

            The bottom line is "I was not hiding the results" and "I did not
    cancel out ANYONE's [V]ote rights".  There is NOT a single $tatus user that
    has had that right removed from their profile, and there has never been.
    That is the Gods honest truth...so help me God!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65656
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: belief
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 11:16:28

    Please stop calling me an atheist. I am not. I do not believe, as you
    perhaps do, that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. I do believe in God.
    And, as I said before, the Cross is the way back to God. I believe that
    there are probably more ways back to God than through the Cross, but, for me
    the way is through the Cross. Our difference lies in the belief in a BOOK,
    not God. I do not believe that all we need to know about God or what God has
    said is found in a BOOK. I believe that the BOOK points to a way back to
    God. The important thing is not the Bible, but my relationship to God. Once
    reunited, the Bible is used as a guide. I can feel free to accept or reject
    what has been written, for it has been written by fallible man. I can accept
    or reject based upon what I consider to be God's guidance. I consider God's
    guidance as manifested in a sense of "rightness" that is similar to working
    a proof to a difficult mathematical problem that results in a beautiful and
    elegant answer. Things written that produce discord or disharmony are
    probably not true from a spiritual point of view. Thus, I don't accept them.
    I am very happy with this approach as it eliminates the tension between
    physical reality and spiritual reality.

    Message: 65657
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 12:27:36

    Sorry, but Christ, not the Cross, is the only way back to God.
    Don't get the two confused.

    Message: 65658
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 12:45:18

    And have you died with Christ on the Cross ?

    Message: 65659
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: more belief
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 12:57:10

    I further believe that there is no tension between physical and spiritual
    reality, since God is the author of both. I also believe that scientific
    pursuits enable us to discern God's physical reality, but not his spiritual
    reality. Discoveries made in the physical realm, however, can be used to
    modify beliefs held in the spiritual realm. Before geological dating methods
    and radiometric dating methods were invented, most Christians believed the
    world to be around 6000 years old. When the age of the earth was determined
    to be at least 3.5 billion years, that spiritual belief had to be changed.

    So, both physical discoveries and spiritual discoveries are the result of
    process. There is no dogma all written down and neatly packaged to be used
    as some sort of formula. Spiritual reality must be discovered by each
    individual in a process of his or her own with God.

    Message: 65660
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Today!
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 13:24:15

            Have you gone out and VOTED today on the school bond issue or for
    whatever was in issue in your district?   Sandy and I have done our part.
    If you don't VOTE, you have NO RIGHT to bitch! (and I love to bitch...
    they say that makes for a happy sailor)

             By the way Dog...  I VOTED against the BOND over ride for the
    schools.   I pay a lot in school taxes as is, and I am not impressed with
    what they do with the money they have now.

      I have nothing to hide!  Be honest, as a home owner...did you go out and
    vote?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65661
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 15:51:24

       God calling something a sin does not bother me at all, because I do not
    believe there is a God. People using God as an excuse to demean others is
    something I am bothered by a lot. You must realize that to people who are
    not theists, your condemnation based upon the bible is as ugly and
    disgusting as it would be to you if your actions were assailed based upon
    some book purported to have been created by the ancient Sun god, or some
    such. By becoming a Christian a person volunteers to be judged by biblical
    standards I suppose, but that should be the extent of it. If you want to
    build a case against sex which is based upon reason, that is open for
    debate, but holding up the bible is no substitute outside the camps of the
    faithful.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 65662
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 16:04:15

       I did not confine that view to religion. Was I inaccurate in describing
    that as the view held by religion? I don't think so. The reasons behind
    divorce, AIDS, other venereal diseases, and abortion comprise a mixture of
    simple and complex attitudes, actions, and environments. Neither Sex Police
    nor religion-based finger pointing will solve any of them. Even if they
    could, it would leave us hostage to the puritan attitudes of some, and that
    is too high a price to pay.
      See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 65663
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L.
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 16:12:17

      You didn't specify who you were accusing of being a drug dealer, so I will
    assume I am included. People don't get shot over alcohol as much anymore
    because prohibition was ended. During prohibition we had exactly the same
    kind of drug war hysteria and its related casualties as we have now. By the
    way, if I were a drug dealer I would be on your side, obviously. Would I
    want legal competition on a large scale basis to destroy my business and
    profits? Would I expect customers to still do business with my organized
    crime syndicate (which had been ripping them off for years to pay for my
    cars, houses, guns, and girls) now that they could buy safer, cleaner,
    better drugs from a reputable outlet?
      See You Later,
        Dean H. (A.K.A. Scarface, A.K.A. Manuel Noriega)

    Message: 65664
    Author: Mike Middleton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sex Drugs & R?
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 17:24:17

    Well, I think you guys need another believer who is not afraid to state the
    truth about the Bible to accuse of being an atheist. This BBS is looking
    interesting. Sex (Although Paul "saving a 20 year old in a bikini by making
    her hole" is a rather funny mental picture), drugs (are you STILL on that
    over here, grow up, drugs are a lie!) and Religion and Roll (Daryl, are all
    the Christians on this BBS like you, full of viterol and venom? is that your
    witness of what it is like to understand the victory of humility?). So maybe
    I should introduce my weird self to you all. I am a Christian. The Bible was
    not written by God, is inconsistent, hard to intrepret, often twisted to
    back doctrines instead of being read with understanding, contains legends
    and myths (as it should) and contradicts itself all over the place. We
    should be about the process of understanding how God worked in lives in the
    past, only to see His work to renew lives now. Drugs are stupid. Dopers are
    dopes. Drugs are shit, merde, ca-ca, and do do. Drug users are either misled
    or very confused. I hate what drugs do to people. I do, on the otherhand,
    love sex. It is one of my favorite things to do with my wife. We find it
    cements us into a unit. That is what getting back to the Garden is all
    about, the knowledge of opposites is forgotten. All are one, wife and
    husband, God and man, good and evil. Not opposites, but parts of the same
    creation. Well, one last thing before I go, I don't believe in sending money
    to a BBS. I don't charge on TRINITY and think if someone wants to have a BBS
    up as a service to the community, that it should not be for profit, so I
    won't be in the elite section, only here. I'll try to check in daily. The
    name's Mike Middleton.

    Message: 65665
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: SYSOP
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 18:31:23

    65651 shows that we misunderstood each other during our CHATs. I have them
    buffered. Care for a read?  The problem was that I expected the end of the
    Vote to be announced somehow, not just silently disappear.  Until there is a
    new Vote, nobody would know that the old one was over.  And a reasonable
    person would check the Storeroom, which I did - only to find that the last
    message there was a couple of weeks earlier than the end of the vote.  I am
    used to system where new messages go at the end, and one is not given the
    opportunity to willy-nilly rewrite history.

    I suggested that I wasn't going to [V]ote on the JFK question for two
    reasons.  First, I was having trouble matching my feelings to the choices,
    and second, you stated that "it has no value" -- your words.

    Regarding my complaint about [V]oting privileges being taken away:  I again
    made a mistake in using this system.  When I logged in (after you suggested
    that perhaps you should just take [V]ote out of my profile), I was not
    greeted with PLEASE [V]OTE.  What would a reasonable person conclude? That
    you would take down a vote in around a week (when the previous vote was
    there for about a month) ???

    I think that by now we can both see what happened, and get on with the
    discussions on the boards.

    Message: 65666
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 18:37:05

    What prefix are you calling from, Mr. Middleton?  Cliff/Apollo lives in
    North Phoenix, but is paying US West every month for the privilege of having
    a Zone A phone number to allow most Valley callers to get to Apollo without
    a toll call.  Cliff is *not* running a profit.  This system is up 24 hours
    per day and is *only* used for Apollo.  Any repairs (like that disk drive)
    benefit only Apollo.  This is a profit-making venture in no sense of the
    word.

    But, non-$tatus users are as welcome here as us paying fools (and those who
    paid once, long ago, and no longer *have* to pay)

    Message: 65667
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike Middleton
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 19:15:46

            I do NOT make a profit!   But it weeds out the idiots and people
    with 20 names real fast.   Also... you will note that APOLLO's MAIN board is
    totaly free...you do not need to register or even be verified.  The Post
    office is FREE too...and has mail dating back to 1985 waiting for the user
    to log in....

            Apollo BBS...the oldest in the STATE!  (I wonder why?)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65668
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog on Value Voting
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 19:44:48

            My JFK [V]ote was just a quick poll after watching something on TV.
    When I said it had no value, I ment that is was not worth taking space in
    the [STO]re room SIG that was holding more valuable data in a 50 message
    NON-scrollable SIG.  The [STO]re room was to hold a list of things, like
    when we hold GT's...  That is why I thought a dated SIG was important, and
    messages could not be just [U]pdated with out screwing things up.  As you
    pointed out...  it did not work out...as you only wanted to read new posts.

            Your [V]ote was placed in the DATED slot so we could look back at it
    when the outcome on the real [V]ote in Arizona for Governor was over.  In
    short...you had a [V]ote with value.  That was not ment to be an insult.

            As for you thinking you were not able to [V]ote...  I sorta figured
    it was a misunderstanding, so that is the REASON of my current [V]ote.  This
    way people will know how to read the prompts and just what they mean.  If
    more people understood how the [V]ote worked...maybe more would use it.
    Of course I will let any $tatus member suggest a [V]ote question.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 65669
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Nielsen
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 20:29:44

    Apparently, the Nielsen boxes use a computer/modem arrangement, because this
    one is connected to the phone line and sends a packet of data between three
    and five in the morning.  That was how they knew the TV had been
    disconnected.

    Message: 65670
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: News Today
    Subject: DNA testing
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 20:38:46

    There is an interesting discussion of its merits and shortcomings in the
    May issue of Scientific American.  Sorry; I don't feel like posting it or
    even excerpts.

    Message: 65671
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L.
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:10:24

    Yeah, I kinda feel the same way about drugs.  I know this one guy who buys a
    whole block of cheese (at least 5 pounds) then proceeds to eat it.  He even
    sells some of it off to help pay for his habit.

    And for "turning the other cheek", I too agree.  It is time we taught those
    'holier than thou' Christians a lesson and prove they are wrong.  I say an
    eye for an eye, joint for a joint, tootsie-roll for a tootsie-roll and a cup
    of java just before bed.

    Hey, I don't think the Christ smoked pot, do you?  I know he didn't deal it
    because it doesn't say he does in the bible.  Or at least I haven't been
    able thus far to find specific reference to him copping a buzz.

    I don't think that all Christians should be taken out and shot either unless
    they sell drugs and watch child porn then it is okay to "pull their little
    plugs."  Actually though, Jeff, we'd be doing them a service because a
    Christian is a person who has accepted the Lord and therefore is saved so by
    killing one we would be sending them straight to eternal heaven which is far
    so much better than any drug except perhaps marihuana.  They'd surely thank
    us later, eh?  We would be cutting out a lot of their earthly grief and so
    to speak give them a short cut to heaven.  Right?

    I tried drugs ONCE but puked my guts out for days and days from the
    experience.  I didn't know you were supposed to remove the plastic.  Oh well

    Message: 65672
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L. again
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:16:40

    Your message number 65594 is addressed to "Drug Dealers" and I doubt if
    someone from here is going to admit they deal drugs.  Also I doubt if they
    would agree that they should be taken to So. America and killed.

    The ONLY fatal flaw I see in your plan (it would have worked had it not been
    for Earth Day) is that by getting all dealers in one place and nuking them
    you'd be messing up much of the world's oxygen supply by killing off the
    rain forests.

    Perhaps you should rethink this and concede that the Sahara Desert would be
    a better place.  Then I would go along with your plan and we could submit it
    for legislative approval at the next gathering of law makers.  We could even
    put your name on it even though I came up with a better location.

    Don't consider the North or South Poles though because of the ice melt and
    this would raise the oceans of the world to dangerous levels.

    Rod

    Message: 65673
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:23:50

    Yeah, I enjoyed your post too, thanks.

    To continue.....if Jesus had died and stayed the hell dead then I could at
    least understand the sacrifice.

    But in that we have a problem because if Jesus and God are one and the same
    then who would mind the universe?

    After all this God character is doing such a job of it that I would like to
    give Him a promotion to Chief Dog Catcher and see how He could handle that.

    Yeah, you're correct there was no Big Sacrifice to speak of.  In fact I
    suspect the whole thing was staged by P.T. Barnum from a previous existence.
    I just wonder what the admission fee was?

    Message: 65674
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl/Eve
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:26:17

    Eve is here at the house.

    Message: 65675
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/vote
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:28:06

    I voted for Sam Steiger.  I believe in the man more than the others. Okay.

    Message: 65676
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hawley on Savage
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:34:11

    Re: Make her hole."

    Was that a typo?

    Message: 65677
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L. / Alcohol
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:36:35

    Many a wino has slashed anothers throat for a little drinkee.  Alcohol is
    responsilbe for many more deaths than all so-called illegal drugs.

    And no, there was no drug problem 2000 years ago save for some drunks who
    made asses of themselves.  THERE WERE NO DRUG LAWS!

    Message: 65678
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger/65649
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:40:28

    Because everyone knows that God only had a fifth grade education and flunked
    on math.  (Look around you).

    Now you know why it gets so damn hot in Phoenix.  Personally I, if called
    upon to design a world, would have placed our sun in a slightly different
    place in relation to our home planet.  But who am I?  Just some sucker who's
    going to be spending all eternity frying in Wesson (r).

    Message: 65679
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/fornicate
    Date: 05/15/90  Time: 21:51:15

    I deeply enjoyed you posts especially the one on fornication and religion.

    Frankly I am a fornicator and I like to fornicate.  I fornicate every
    opportunity I get.

    My only holdup is that SHE must be attractive other than that I say, if it
    wears a skirt then 'plank' it.  Wow, sex is sure fun.

    I also fornicate in my mind when I see a girl in a bikini or tight fitting
    jeans.  I do it everyday.

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