### Apollo BBS Archive - July 10, 1987

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    Message: 1516
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Rebuttal
    Subject: Jehovah
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 08:24:14

      I think he -- whoops! -- He should be barred from the Christian board.  If
    there is one place He isn't needed, it's there.  Or is it?

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     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 1517
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God/Christian Board
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 09:33:42

    No, he shouldn't be allowed there--he's Jewish.

    Message: 1518
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 12:29:42

    Dear God - can't you do something about James so that we can get along
    better. And why don't you just Zap Mecham and solve all the controversy?
    Gee - but it's wonderful to have someone to really talk to that is
    understanding!! Hey Cliff - we need a special "GOD board on this BBS. WE can
    ask Him all sorts of personal things there and Rod -- oops - God will
    listen!! Improtant things like - does Reagan dye his hair - is Jimmy
    Carter's teeth real. You know - real important suff here. - ANN

    Message: 1519
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Last....
    Subject: God board
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 18:30:27

    I think we just need a special Category... od!

    Perhaps we should make sure he stays on the <$>tatus board, too... wouldn't
    want them non-paying customers free access to Him, now, would we?

    (You'll pay to know what you really think)

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 1520
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 20:35:56

    Send Him to the hantom Zone.

    (Cliff:  Zap his ass, babe!)

    Message: 1521
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 00:55:31

    That is certainly clever.  You know I'm right, so just ask God to eliminate
    me so you'll "get along better."

    Message: 1522
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Which witch?
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 08:18:18

      Did anyone listen to KFYI radio at midnight last night?  They had on a
    former "witch" -- a follower of the Wiccan religion.  Bizarrely enough, she
    left it when she became a born-again evangelical Christian.  Now, *that's*
    quite a switch!  Despite that, she was pretty fair with it.  For example,
    though she now believes that the witches derive their power from Satan,
    since it isn't from God, she admits that neither she nor any of the other
    members of her coven were active devil-worshipers.  A lot of callers tried
    to accuse the Wiccans of this horrid thing and that, but most of what the
    mentioned are actally the domain of devil-worship, and not Wicca.  In fact,
    the Wiccans *can't* believe in the Christian Satan, since they don't believe
    any part of Christianity.

      I was especially interested because one of my friends is a witch.  She
    doesn't like to talk about it, mainly because most people's impressions of
    witches consist of Margret Hamilton riding over the Emerald City on a broom,
    cackling "I'll get you, my pretty!!  And your mangy little dog, too!!"
    Well, my friend doesn't have warts on her nose, and she doesn't have a
    pointy black hat, either.

      Some of those late-night callers can be fun.  One suggested that our
    precious little children were being poisoned with pagan thoughts from
    cartoons, and he named "He-Man(tm) and the Masters of the Universe(tm)" and
    the "Smurfs."
       -->> cont

    Message: 1523
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Last....
    Subject: Continued
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 08:19:14

      Boy, you've got to agree with that!  It's about time the Smurfs learned
    some good Christian values, don't you agree?

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     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 1524
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/more
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 09:33:08

    Again - you have miss judged me! I jokingly said "would God help me to get
    along with you better"! I DO NOT want, you of all people zapped! NOW - all
    kidding aside --- I have truly enjoyed our conversations To have two
    completely different view points and debate them, in my book, is one of the
    spices of life. I've enjoyed every moment of it and hope in the future that
    we find something else. So you see - I don't want you zapped because we
    don't agree. Because we don't agree makes it interesting. ---ANN

    Message: 1525
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 09:36:55

    I agree with Beauregard Dog RE: a (G)od sig. OF course the non paying
    members can't be in on it. You get what you pay for remember?! We have to
    pay our way into HEaven. I.E. Oral, Tammy & Jim, Jerry etc. Anyway - if we
    have a God sig. - we won't need "Joe"!! Hahahahaha.

    Message: 1526
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak!!! ???
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 11:17:21

            Are you C-R-A-Z-Y ???  You ZAp him....
    I think he is here to save Rod and J.T.

    SYSOP

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    Message: 45016
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 02:40:54

    You're missing the point: The Visa debit is nothing more than an extension
    of your checking account. As such, it is no more likely to become mandatory
    than a checking account.

    Your list of former conveniences that have become mandatory does not, in my
    opinion, limit my personal freedom. I guess you're probably really worried
    that some day the "convenient" bar code readers will keep track of
    every customer and what they purchase at the grocery store. Then the feds
    could keep a "nutrition and caloric ledger" and limit both the quantity and
    types of products we purchase.

    Message: 45017
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Pheromones
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 02:44:27

    Dean and Traci kind of blow that theory out the window.

    Message: 45018
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: In search of
    Subject: $$ Money $$
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 08:09:49

       As to the lottery thing, if that guy did win, and I was a store owner,
    I'd run off a hundred void tickets every morning (you don't get charged for
    void tickets) and if one won, give it to some illiterate person to claim for
    me.  It was really dumb of the clerk to sell it to him, though.  Not only
    does the ticket say *** VOID ***, but the terminal beeps and says on its
    screen, "WAGER REJECTED BY LOTTERY CENTRAL."  But if that guy didn't think
    it was important to learn the language of this country, it is ultimately his
    fault.  No, you shouldn't force someone to learn English, but I don't think
    they should be babied, either.

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     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 45019
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Re #44979
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 08:21:52

      In that book, the assertion is made that people in America belonging to
    the Communist party are not give social security cards.  I find this highly
    unlikely.  First, I doubt they would let that go unchallenged in court, and
    the ACLU would back them.  Second, you can't file an income tax return
    without a SS number, and I am pretty sure that the government makes sure
    they don't commit tax fraud.
      As for denying them credit, I work at American Express, and I can tell you
    that all we check is a person's past payment history.  If communists don't
    pay their bills on time, no they won't get credit.  Nothing else figures in,
    though.

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     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 45020
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/Man
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 12:21:04

    I just didn't think it was that poor guy's fault at all. I might even go in
    Circle K and come out with a void ticket and not pay any attention because I
    trust them. Why not? It was the fault of THEIR clerk!! That man I think was
    learning english because something was said about him becoming a citizen. I
    guess it makes me feel sad that he didn't get the money because he needed it
    so bad. AND - he did have the winning ticket!!! OF course, the other winners
    might have a big say in the matter to! They would reather not split it with
    him if they didn't have too. I can understand that. -- Ann
    P.S. I'd just like to see some "HEART" shown in our society (where money is
    conserned) at least once in a while. We're all human and the laws should be
    for humans! --- ANN again.

    Message: 45021
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Life
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 17:30:29

    ...
      I find myself suprised by the thought that dying is an
    all-right thing to do, but perhaps it should not suprise.
    It is, after all, the most ancient and fundamental of
    biologic functions, with its mechanisms worked out with the
    same attention to detail, the same provision for the
    advantage of the organism, the same abundance of genetic
    information for guidance through the stages, that we have
    long since become accustomed to finding in all the crucial
    acts of living.
      Very well.  But even so, if the transformation is a
    coordinated, integrated physiologic process in its initial,
    local stages, there is still that permanent vanishing of
    consciousness to be accounted for.  Are we to be forever
    stuck with this problem?  Where on earth does it go?  Is it
    simply stopped dead in its tracks, lost in humus, wasted?
    Considering the tendency of nature to find uses for complex
    and intricate mechanisms, this seems to me unnatural.  I
    prefer to think of it as somehow separated off at the
    filaments of its attachment, and then drawn like an easy
    breath back into the membrane of its origin, a fresh memory
    for a biospherical nervous system, but I have no data on the
    matter.
      This is for another science, another day.  It may turn

    Message: 45022
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Life
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 17:33:37

    out, as some scientists suggest, that we are forever
    precluded from investigating consciousness by a sort of
    indeterminacy principle that stipulates that the very act of
    looking will make it twitch and blur out of sight.  If this
    is true, we will never learn. ...

    Message: 45023
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Stuff
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 18:42:20

    Well it's good to be back on the board.
    This is the one board that I missed  the most while  away from
    computers.
    Did I miss anything exceptionally exciting????

    Message: 45024
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 20:39:07

    No.

    Message: 45025
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: lottery
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 22:51:17

    Ben Lindsey, a former U of A (yay, Wildcats) basketball coach started a fund
    for Richard Meneses (with the Ded ticket) to collect the $20,000. He
    opened an account with Century Bank and is asking "fellow lottery players"
    to donate $1 (3225 N. Central Ave., Phoenix, for all you fellow lottery
    players out there). He will give Menese $20,000, and any left over will be
    donated to the United Way of Phoenix. Circle K plans to give Meneses "some
    type of compensation...at least the $2 he paid for his invalid lottery
    tickets."
              -- condensed from Arizona Republic

    Message: 45026
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 07/10/87  Time: 23:25:16

    Dean's pheromones are just so INTENSE!!!!!
         ....they seep right through my circuits!

    Message: 45027
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/married
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 00:41:32

    Oh, give me a break.  It is common sense that married men pursue their
    careers more aggressively than married women.

    Message: 45028
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 00:43:47

    You are missing the point.  I did not "want my stats to suggest that all
    women DO get equal pay."  What my statistics point out is that the
    discrimination is only a small factor in the gap in average wages.  The fact
    that the gap becomes much smaller when only never-married men and women are
    compared suggests that the differences in career pursuits after marriage
    account for the vast majority of the gap.  I don't believe that most jobs
    people hold before marriage are minimum-wage jobs.  Many people begin their
    careers before reaching the age of 23, and many people get married after 23
    (that age actually sounds a bit early to me for an average).

    Do you deny that most of the wage gap is attributable to differences in
    career choices due to marriage?

    You state that "just because (I) think that all feminist [sic] do not like
    men does not mean that our society believes this to be true, or that it is a
    fact."  Now, look, Melissa, I don't expect you to take reasonable positions
    in discussions like this.  After all, you've had a lot of nonsense drummed
    into you by your women's studies professor.  But I ask that you exercise
    some minimal ethical judgment and do not misquote me.  I never said I think
    that all feminists do not like men.

    Message: 45029
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan/North
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 00:54:13

    If that's true, it's good news for those of us who support the Nicaraguan
    freedom-fighters.  According to a public-opinion poll, the majority of
    Americans believe North is telling the truth.

    Message: 45030
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last....
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 08:04:09

      And Jim and Tammy Bakker still have supporters, too.

      Somehow, I think that if North had sold the Washington Monument to Iran,
    and gave the proceeds to the Contras, he'd still be praised.

      I find it scary to think that Washington DC may be full of men trying to
    find ways around laws passed by Congress, so they can do what the personally
    think is right.

      And eight years ago, if someone told you that a person that covertly sold
    US Govt arms to Iran would be called an American Hero, would you have
    believed me?

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     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 45031
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last. . .
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 08:42:11

    What's even more scary is that most of those who are intent on finding ways
    around laws passed by congress are congressmen.

    Dean

    Message: 45032
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James/again
    Date: 07/11/87  Time: 09:20:56

    What do you mean give you a break? Since when have you been using common
    sense in your answers? All I've gotten is stats!!
    Do you/are you going to go through life believing all you read or are you
    going to believe what you see and hear?? You are quoting statistics to the
    wrong person. The new generation has been brought up to believe in
    statistics. They can be used to manipulate you. I believed in them whole
    heartedly at one time - but not anymore! The best of statistics are at best
    - half true. Like I said before - give me a cause and I'll find a statistic
    that'll fit it!! --- ANN

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