### Apollo BBS Archive - August 20, 1988

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    Message: 4050
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 14:08:34

     Maybe the remark about recovery was made in too much haste?
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4051
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: The last few
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 15:16:36

    I think the last several messages belongs in the (W)ay Below Normal Sig.
    from the sound of them. =*--ANN--*= (W)ay above normal!

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     1:        Screw you too!
     2:end

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    Message: 4053
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Above
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 21:43:49

            I am an incureable optimist.

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     1:And I am an incurable atheist.
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    Message: 972
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 21:45:53

            Then you admit Rod Williams to saying ---------
    "Amen to that Sister"?

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     1:        I think, originally, when that phrase came into being that it is
     2:short for all-men.  In any case, it does not necessarily denote a meaning of
     3:a religious nature.  I am about the most un-religious person I know.
     4:end

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    Message: 1857
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Rod on Sandy
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 15:19:40

    You've been looking at Sandy's buffer again? Naughty, naughty! I'm gonna
    tell Cliff. Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1858
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 15:23:59

    By the way - how big IS your buffer anyway? Put an 'X' in the right box!

    My buffer is giant size             Yes              No
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    My buffer is just big               ____              ___
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    Mail from David Burkhart
    Date: 08/16/88  Time: 23:50:00

    If the election where held today, I would vote for

    [A] Michael Dukakis and Lloyd Bentson (Democrat)
    [B] George Bush and Dan Quayle (Republican)
    [C] Ron Paul and Andre Marrou (Libertarian)

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 6    [B] 9    [C] 7

    Message: 1859
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Buffer
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 21:48:57

            The size of my Buffer is to remain a secret.

    (lets just say if I did not tell you where you were you might think
    yourself in the Lewis and Clark Caverns)
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    Message: 53789
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/candidates
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 07:57:18

    That's better! I knew you wern't as radical as you sounded. Everyone should
    be behind their choice and it is obvious you are. Actually, I envy you in a
    way - I have not felt like that towards a candidate since Johnson and wish I
    could ride someone's bandwagon - be a 'foaming at the mouth' staunch
    believer again. I am keeping my mind open with Dukakis however - but .....!
    Not getting my hopes up too high. Out of the two - I will say I hope it is
    him though - if for nothing else but change and a fresh face! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53790
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 08:00:41

    Why is it that you always think that what I say is 'silly' - but everything
    you say is 'profound and deep'? You did not give an answer at all - you just
    said the 'Supreme Court' made those decissions. True, but if it wasn't
    popular with the majority, why would they? Isn't the purpose of the Supreme
    Court to be 'fair mediators? To take in all sides and then make a decission?
    I wasn't aware they were an intity all in themselves that ruled this country
    like dictators? My point was - the Republicans couldn't or wouldn't do
    anything about these subjects while in office - why would they now? You are
    also missing the point of me not liking either party - I just told Cliff my
    opinion that I thought Dukakis put on a better show. I am not 'gung ho' on
    the Libertarian party at this point either but I want to show that I am
    really not for either party and that I want changes. Why is this so hard for
    you to understand? And why do you think I'm being so 'silly'? Isn't this why
    people vote? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53791
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 08:17:00

    Burkhart's assertion that you are silly is undoubtedly correct.

    Message: 53792
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 08:47:51

    The Supreme Court doesn't take into account what the majority wants, nor are
    they supposed to.  But they are also not supposed to act as a
    "super-legislature," enacting laws according to their whim.  They are simply
    supposed to decide cases according to existing law and the highest law of
    the land, the Constitution.
    Quit being silly.

    Message: 53793
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Quayle
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 08:49:40

    Anyone else notice that the "kid" Dan Quayle is the same age as the "old
    man" Kareem Abdul-Jabar, who is planning retirement?

    Message: 53794
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 13:59:57

    I don't belive the prime rate was ever 20% under the Carter administration.
    You have proof of your assertion, I assume.

    Message: 53795
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Burkhart/JT
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 14:02:11

    If both you and JT only want to call Ann silly, perhaps you should not
    respond to her messages.  Everyone can't be up (down?) to your level, so you
    should restrain your rude comments.

    Message: 53796
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 14:23:44

      I've got another $10. What do you say?
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 53797
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David - AGAIN
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 15:14:34

    I know about the Supreme Court - but you didn't answer my question. If the
    Republicans have been in office for 8 years - why then is abortion still
    legal and what can a new rep. do about it? I can't put it any simpler for
    you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53798
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:01:44

    In 1984, Car and Driver had a position open for a reviewer/writer, and in
    due course a man by the name of "Alf Ader" was hired.  The bearded,
    bespectacled Ader was assigned to review the new Chevrolet Corvette.  The
    issue with Ader's review was almost ready to go when senior editors realized
    the review was not at all what they wanted.  Suspicious, the approached
    "Ader" and ripped off his beard and glasses.  It was Ralph Nader.  He was
    quickly shown the door and his review was replaced with another.

    THE NEW CORVETTE -- THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE DEATHTRAP EVER
    By Alf Ader

         You'd think that after thirty years of turning out dangerous, poor
    quality, inefficient, socially irresponsible "Corvettes," Chevrolet would at
    last start building something better.  But apparently Chevrolet, GM, and the
    entire automobile industry, as well as all other industries, are content to
    defraud the American consumer and make him or her believe that they are
    getting what they want.  The 1984 Corvette is worse than ever, and it is an
    insult to right-thinking safety-minded utilitarian consumers everywhere.
         I personally had been hoping that the '84 Corvette would be a form of
    cheap, practical public transportation.  However, the redesign still allows
    only for a driver and one passenger, rather than the fifty or more
    passengers that ideally would be carried.
         Looking beyond the car's configuration for a moment, the styling,
    though admirable in one respect, leaves a great deal to be desired.  On the

    Message: 53799
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alf Ader
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:06:11

    plus side, the '84 model is more aerodynamic, which means that it will burn
    less of the pollutive and diminishing fossil fuels.  However, not nearly
    enough care is taken to ensure that the styling is functional and safe.
    There are wide expanses of unprotected body panels that could have been
    covered in reflectors, warning lights, and impact-absorbing bumpers.
         The car's performance is dangerous and unsuited to normal driving.  The
    enging has far too much power; a four-cylinder unit would have been
    sufficient to propel the car at up to fifty-five miles per hour, or some
    lower speed for greater economy and safety.  The complicated suspension
    system encourages the driver to maneuver recklessly, and the breaks, if
    applied too suddenly and forcefully, could cause the car to jerk to a halt.
         The interior shows evidence of slipshod and malicious design as well.
    Upon sitting in the '84 Corvette, one is immediately struck by the lack of
    roof supports.  In the event of a skyscraper toppling over onto the car, the
    occupants would have little chance of survival.  Reinforced concrete beams
    would take care of this, but unfortunately Chevrolet is still cutting
    corners.  The seats allow for dangerous amounts of unsupervised bodily
    motion, and the seat belts could easily be ignored by stupid people.  The
    driving position is hampered by blind spots and controls that could be
    confusing to a blind person.  The actual operation of the car is complicated
    and could result in an injurious accident by someone unfamiliar with
    driving.
         In addition to the faults listed above, the car emits noxious fumes,
    wastes fuel, costs too much, and will probably fall apart once you get it

    Message: 53800
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alf Ader
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:08:42

    off the showroom floor.
         It was a fond hope of this reviewer that 1984 would see the debut of a
    reflectorized rubber, sixty-passenger, ten-mile-per-hour,
    handicapped-accessible Corvette, but as usual, GM has let America down.  I
    recommend that no one buy this car.

    STATISTICS:
    Vehicle............1984 Chevrolet Corvette
    Vehicle type.......2-passenger "sports" car
    Engine.............350 cid fuel injected v-8 (excessive!)
    Weight.............3,800 lbs (too heavy!)
    Price as tested....$24,567 (too much!)

    0-60...............irrelevant
    Top speed..........irrelevant, and too fast
    Fuel economy.......17 EPA highway (wasteful!)

    Message: 53801
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:09:03

    The above was from Harvard Lampoon's new book "Media Gate."

    Message: 53802
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:57:34

    From 53780: Reagan could only appoint justices when one resigned or died,
    and as Bork demonstrated, sometime had difficulty even then.

    I don't know how I could put it any simpler.  The only other recourse Reagan
    had was a Constitutional amendment, and those are nearly immpossible to
    pass, even when the weight of public opinion is behind them (such as the
    balanced budget amendment).  That's why the ones we have are the result of
    long struggles.

    Message: 53803
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 17:59:37

    Interest rates were above 20%, the prime rate approached 20%.  Happy?
    My economics books are in San Diego, so I can't get more specific.
    Taranto or Lippard probably have the precise number around.

    Message: 53804
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 20:11:45

    I believe the prime rate hit 21.5%, but I don't have figures on hand.

    Message: 53805
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 22:51:42

    I like your kind of thinking and especially the way you get it across. Just
    thought I'd say so.

    Carol->             SisOP - CarolCom's StarShip BBS

    Message: 53806
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Straight/ticket
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 22:55:32

    If they will throw out Jerry Falwell (Ann: no D in there, unless it stands
    for dumbo) - I repeat, if they will throw out Jerry Falwell and Ev Mecham,
    then I will vote a straight ticket.

    But not much chance. I will say here, though, that I am not too thrilled
    with Bush's choice - even if my daughter and son-in-law *did* go to school
    with him in their Jr. year.  I can't envision him as our Commander/in/Chief.

    But nothing could persuade me to vote for the Democratic ticket...so, here
    we go again!    $20 on Bush!

    Carol->

    Message: 53807
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Falwell
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 22:57:54

    He makes me ashamed to say I'm a Christian

    and

    he changed the entire meaning of 'Fundamentalist'...

    Carol->

    Message: 53808
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last...
    Date: 08/21/88  Time: 00:55:22

            That a girl...  I agree for the most part, but when I say I am a
    CHRISTIAN, I'm still proud.  (there is always a jerk or two in every group)

            Lets not hope that Bush dies... I mean no "Death Wishes" here!
    He is just a bit younger than Kennedy was, and no one thought of him as
    "weak".   I do recall back then when Senator John Kennedy was running, many
    were concerned he was too young.  He quickly proved he could handle the job,
    and those were happy day till he was shot.   Give the new guy on the block a
    chance, we have several months.  After all, people keep begging for new
    blood, and now they want to toss him back.... make up your minds PEOPLE!

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    Message: 53809
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: ibrary
    Date: 08/21/88  Time: 00:57:30

            The ibrary listing is done up in a slightly new format.  Now the
    EXTENTION is added to the file to more easily show the whole correct name.
    You need now to type in the extention to ownload a file.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 53810
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Quayle's age
    Date: 08/21/88  Time: 01:08:41

    Also note that he is only five years younger than Jesse Jackson, and has
    considerably more elective experience -- yet no one at the Democratic
    Convention stood up and said Jesse was unqualified (they may have thought
    it, but they didn't say it).
    Quayle's youth is a positive addition to the ticket.  Now, if the media
    would just lay off him, maybe we could talk issues (fat chance).

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    Message: 125
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Nick the Geek!
    Subject: me
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 03:25:29

    I don't know about anyone else, but I'm here to become more like Rod.

    Message: 126
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Rod - 60's Hippie
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 04:46:19

    Make that two.

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    Message: 1502
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 15:29:12

    why do I get the feeling you are a Republican? And why are you talking about
    that here? =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. I firmly believe you also belong on the (W)ay Below Normal sig!

    Message: 1503
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 18:02:37

    Because you brought it up here (saying with your luck, we were all
    Republicans).
    Thanks for the (W)ay Below Normal plug.  Cliff kicked me off for being to
    intelligent, and I've been trying to get back on, to no avail.

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     1:        You were actually kicked off the WAY SIG?  I bet that was hard.
     2:What did you have to do?
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    Message: 1504
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: David
    Date: 08/20/88  Time: 20:45:40

            You were actually kicked off the WAY SIG?  I bet that was hard.
    What did you have to do?

    Message: 1505
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/21/88  Time: 01:08:59

    I claimed I wasn't racist.

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     1:        Didn't your mother tell you that fibbing was bad?  Hey, I'm not a
     2:racist either as long as you don't include, blacks, chinks and wops.
     3:        Those people are not like you and I, they are more like little
     4:beetles and other dumb animals.  Sure, blacks have a certain musical talent
     5:but they got it all from illegal drugs.  Chinks on the other hand got
     6:everything they know from decent white folks and they are just trying to
     7:imitate us.  Now wops, just look at Nick and need I say more?
     8:                                Rod
     9:end

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    Message: 1547
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/21/88  Time: 01:05:25

    Looks like Peter... uh, fouled up.