### Apollo BBS Archive - April 19, 1989

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    Message: 5449
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/17/89  Time: 23:08:51

    Are you in a new line of business?

    Message: 5450
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hayley/last
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:46:21

    Yes, matter of fact I am.  I give abortions.  Don't worry, I only use clean
    seaweed.                                Rod

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    Message: 3015
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Shoot
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:19:00

    I do it for the fun of it. I like to see them jerk and wiggle.
                       !!!!SHOOT THEM ALL!!!!!

    Message: 3016
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Thang news
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:39:26

    For those of you that are interested I recieved another Thang penis facts #3
    in the mail yesterday along with another very beautiful photo of Thang -
    this time he's sitting in what looks like a giant red sculpture of some
    sort. It's truly a great looking picture. The penis facts are more about how
    Thang was built and what great effort went into it.
    BTW - seems a coincidence that I recieved no Penis news when James Hawley
    was supposed to be out of the country and now that he's back ........!
    Hmmmmm? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3017
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Who-dun-it
    Subject: Ann/Thang
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:48:36

            What is the reward up to?  At the next GT slip some Sodium Penathol
    into everyone's drink.

    Message: 3018
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ralph/shoot
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:49:09

    Do IRS agents squirm much.

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    Message: 58225
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/17/89  Time: 19:23:49

    So the definition of a bigot is one who owns land that isn't for sale?

    Message: 58226
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rev. Moon
    Date: 04/17/89  Time: 22:56:18

    ... is a Christian

    Message: 58227
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/$58214
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 05:49:46

    If that message was your way of trying to teach me one of life's valuable
    lessons - it did - only in part! Your right - sometimes I fear things
    needlessly, but you certainly could have left out the part about nicotine
    giving me emphysema, cancer or heart disease! Talk about being negative! Why
    would you say something like that to me at a time like that? Re: hernia
    surgery as being routine - yes, to the doctors it is, but when it is
    preformed on a loved one, the word routine isn't much of a consolation.
    Anyway, he came through it with flying colors and I hope to bring him home
    today. He will be in a lot of pain for awhile though. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58228
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT/commune
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:06:04

    The commune did become self sustaining after a time. Of course the donations
    still came in but they grew and sold their own food. They built their own
    housing etc. You said "clearly, it wasn't self supporting"! I wish you would
    clairfy that statement. The word 'clearly' especially.
    I can understand that when you were 19 and hadn't found yourself yet and
    looked toward the commune and I can understand why you turned away from it -
    but that doesn't mean it wasn't right for others. That is so like you JT -
    something you don't like is automatically labeled wrong PERIOD and you start
    name calling others that believe differently. My daughter was never
    'wretched' nor 'sad and troubled' and not young when she joined the commune.
    I met many of her friends from the commune and they were not catagorized
    like that either. In fact - they were all from wealthy families, had
    excellent jobs before joining and were highly intelligent. There was also
    'no vague promices' of their future with the commune either. It was clear.
    As I said - even when it did brake up she recieved compensation.
    BTW - are you aware of the many hundreds that followed Bhagwan to India? I
    think not! He was deported by the U.S.A. or he'd still be here. Evidently,
    you do not know the whole story. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58229
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod on bigotry
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:13:32

    You hit the nail on the head with that post. We had been to Oregon several
    times way before that commune was ever thought about and we found the
    Oregonians very bias and bigoted - they certainly were against Californians!
    While my daughter was there, she'd tell us what was going on and it was hard
    to believe. They harrassed the Rajneeshes at every turn legal or illegal.
    Anyway, after out last vacation trip to Oregon, we vowed to not go back to a
    place that wanted our tourist money buy not the tourist! They were
    absolutely rude when they found out where we came from - making it clear
    they didn't want Californians moving there. We didn't. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58230
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: A game?
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:32:17

    Does anyone know how I can get an old computer game called 'Zoom'?
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58231
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:07:52

    Intelligent people from wealthy families who have excellent jobs can still
    have wretched, sad, troubled lives.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if
    wretchedness, sadness, and trouble are more common among these people than
    among people from lower socioeconomic groups.  I am afraid that the desire
    to worship a guru and join a cult is prima facie evidence of an empty life.

    At any rate, I don't think we should discuss your daughter any further.  It
    isn't fair to her when she isn't here to defend herself, and it isn't fair
    to you because it is obviously a sensitive and embarrassing topic.

    As for the commune being "self-sufficient," that is pretty obviously false.
    Were it not, it would not have collapsed after its leader was booted out of
    the country.  It's clear that Rajneesh's ability to attract suckers was the
    cash cow that kept the commune from collapsing.

    Message: 58232
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Base closing
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:08:27

    Boy I'm sure glad Congress didn't torpedo the bipartisan military base
    closing initiative.  That would have been detrimental to the national
    interest.

    Message: 58233
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Bigot
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:50:23

            You are observant.

    Message: 58234
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Doggie
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:55:32

            Yes, you are correct, Moon was not only a Christian but he is the
    reincarnation of Christ.  At least this was what I was told in my second
    indoctrination session at the local Moonies.  In fact Moon is from Korea
    which by the way, is called Chosen in their tongue.  He is the chosen one
    and he came from the east on a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud.  Well, it fulfills
    the Christian prophesy, anyway.
            I got booted out of that group.  I was asked to leave and not
    return.  I guess Jesus didn't want me there.  Oh well.  -Rod

    Message: 58235
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/empty
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 17:04:57

            For the most part, every American is given a religion to carry
    around in their head.  It usually comes from the parents.  Why do people
    take up the local religions?  Is it because they are empty?
            Also, some of these same people who have spent years with the local
    religion, Christianity, obviously saw that it was shallow and didn't make a
    lot of sense.  But since these same people were 'belief' orientated then
    why would you knock them for trying another belief?   By your defination
    everyone is lost and empty.  But I agree, most everyone is, especially those
    who adapt as their helper, a great guru in the sky.  Me, I'd rather do it
    myself along with the help of my friends, both living and dead.  -Rod

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    Message: 263
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 06:57:44

    They just want everybody to think like they do. It doesn't matter that they
    don't act like they want you to act!
    Another thing - have you ever noticed that moralists don't speak of freedom
    but atheists do? Yes - they certainly want to legalize all their beliefs.
    That way you HAVE to comform to their way of thinking! Atheists speak of
    freedom including giving the moralists the right to believe the way they
    want. But it's not 'ditto or vice versa' by any means. To sum it up - the
    moralists do not want you to be free! Why do you suppose that is?
                               -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. I think the basis for the hatred for Bhagwan's commune was evny of
    people that had more freedom than they did. Their morals wouldn't let them
    even think of condoning that place! This doesn't apply to JT of course. Not
    that I'm implying he doesn't have morals - he went up there with an open
    mind and made up his mind! No problem! Trouble is, now he's judging with out
    an open mind.

    Message: 264
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 16:13:17

    Yeah, right.  They were just jealous because the Rajneeshees had the
    freedom to be told how to dress, what to eat, and what to do with their
    possessions (i.e., give them to the Bhagwan so he can buy another Rolls).
    And it was only this envy that motivated them to get angry when those
    wonderful advocates of the freedom to live a life of dull conformity tried
    to take over their towns and poisoned their water supply.

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    Message: 266
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/moralists
    Date: 04/18/89  Time: 17:21:53

            Good message.  I agree but as to why they do it.  Hmmmm.  Well, from
    my reading of the Babel I didn't see anything therein that would suggest
    that
    taking away the freedom of another was a valid idea.  I don't know the
    answer but perhaps it is that, something I've noticed, the more illiterate a
    person, the more animalistic they are, the more they hold to superstition
    and this includes these religions.  The more ignorant a person, the more
    they believe the fairy tales taught them by the sharks.

            As far as the commune in Oregon, a major problem was that a radical
    change took place.  People who are set in their beliefs have a hard time
    with change.  Change will bring the bigot in a person out into the open in
    most cases.  It is obvious that those landowners in Oregon were a bit
    uncomfortable with all these new and strange developments going on so near.
    I would bet that more that one of the residents of the town phoned the
    police, FBI and their congressman and Senators just to let them know that a
    communist organization was taking root on good American soil, so near to
    them.  I mean, the townspeople must have thought that whatever those strange
    people were up to WAS NOT American, Mom & Apple Pie.  If it works then don't
    change it, they say.  To many people change must come slowly and in small
    steps.  Hell, I wish this earth would shift poles but have one pole in the
    U.S. and the other in China.  Wouldn't that be great?  What fun.

            I had a tooth pulled about an hour ago.  I am stoned.  The dentist
    asked me if I had any Jewish Blood and wanted to see my foot shape?  -Rod

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