### Apollo BBS Archive - August 9, 1989

    Mail from Spaz Brown
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 01:28:55

    [A]bort, [N]ew only, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

    Still stirring up trouble, I see.  And I LIKED Mutual of Omaha.

    HB
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     1:AND I like your article in the Republic.  Keep up the good work, Spaz.
     2:
     3:James is in Costa Rica, visiting friends.
     4:
     5:What do you mean by Mutual of Omaha?
     6:
     7:                                Rod
     8:P.S.  Welcome back, eh!

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    Message: 5763
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann's Computer...
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 00:22:15

    I pulled the Sanyo 17+ AT out of the box today and put in the 512K Genoa
    Super VGA board, and connected the monitor.  I also fixed Ann's extra 360K
    floppy drive and configured it as drive B. It was great turning on the
    system for the very fist time and watching the first bits of color hit the
    VERY high res Seiko CM-1430 VGA monitor....

    Mini-Scribe called me today to let me know they did get the board I sent
    them and are now shipping out the correct board for the very fast 42 meg
    Mini-Scribe 3.5 hard drive.  More than 3 times faster than Apollo's hard
    drive by the way.

    Won't be long now....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  The Genoa Super 512K VGA board is a TRUE 16 bit board and is the
    fastest of the VGA boards on the market and at 1024 X 768 res.

    Message: 5764
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/my computer
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:37:53

    That last post made me go crazy(er)! I can't stand it another minute and
    feel like running, screaming out of this house! How am I gonna pass the time
    waiting? I must go get some tint and cover my new grey hairs that have
    popped out from all this waiting! I must go to the drug store and get some
    sleeping pills so that I can sleep! Is the sun shining? The birds singing? I
    wouldn't know it - I'm in a impatient daze! Soon they will be taking me to
    the hospital - they will ask my husband what's the matter with me - he'll
    have to say I've been waiting for my new VGA Sanyo for months/years and they
    will have to give me a shock treatment or two. Sob. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5765
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 16:29:12

            Want it Friday?

    Message: 5766
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last..
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 18:19:51

            But Sandy, Todd said we are not to deliver it this week.  He wants
    us to hold back another week or two.

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    Subject:Ann's computer

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     1:I'll give you $100. more for the computer than what Ann paid.
     2:end

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    Message: 2389
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Awards?
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 00:00:17

            Hey, don't you guys recall the great story Kontest of a few months
    ago?   What's the matter with your heads?  We want to give out the award
    certificates... and no one wants them....  Sniff (tm)

    Message: 2390
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sniff (tm)
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:21:05

    My God, you've been doing it so long you've got a trademark on it now.

    Doesn't that dry out your nose?

    HB

    Message: 2391
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: My Nose...
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 10:04:52

            It is awful red and sore... swelled up too.   My users have a habit
    of doing this to me.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 2392
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 11:09:44

    I didn't know you had two husbands.  You bigamist!

    Message: 2393
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Award
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:41:16

    So bring it over!

    Message: 2394
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: group effort
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 16:54:02

            Any takers for a story?

    Now, Ann, this means a short contribution every time you log on and read
    what was just posted. None of this 3 to 4  24 line posts .......

    Message: 2395
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: Begining
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 16:54:33

            I just sat there ........

    Message: 2396
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: Middle Part 1
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 20:38:12

    in the bathtub Wednesday afternoon.  It just was a few minutes after....

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     1:1 p.m. and suddenly a loud knock on the front door caught my immediate
     2:attention......
     3:end

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    Message: 277
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Illustrated manuals
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:23:45

    Ha.  Ha.

    HB

    Message: 278
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: IBM & Clones
    Subject: FOR SALE
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:26:30

    Anybody interested in an original IBM PC with monitor, covers, 256K RAM and
    one owner who only ran it every other Sunday?  Leave me mail --

    HB

    Message: 279
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Last Two
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:40:44

      She's back!  Does this mean the oid will be back, too?

         =========  Pascal  \;:;=O.O=  Meow!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 280
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: the d
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 10:09:30

            The VOId is still there... Invisible, and Spaz (Heather) Brown is
    the ONLY member...  What a lonely place I bet......

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 281
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: the d
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 20:39:48

    Obviously, the only solution is to open it up again.  So who's volunteering?
    Either that, or I'll do it and someone can pay my phone bills from Tucson.
    Anyone?  Anyone?  This thing needs a SIGOP if it's going to run. . .

    HB

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    Message: 3318
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 11:13:11

    Oh shut up.

    We're ALL tired of hearing it, Rod.  Get a new straw man.

    Message: 3319
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: computer drawing
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:43:24

    Ann, so long as the picture required imagination to draw, no problem.  When
    she brings over a picture that leaves no doubt in your mind, then worry.

    Message: 3320
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat!
    Subject: Gary/last
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 17:01:15

            What imagination!
    Mr. 'X' was over here all day posing.
    Ann was too busy stewing over her soon to acquire computer to notice and
    Cliff was too busy getting her stewed over computer to notice, either.

            Mr. 'X' and I were left out in the cold.
            What did you expect us to do?
            Just what comes naturally, that's all ........

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    Subject:Todd

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     1:        When mankind gets over the 'hump' then I'll give it up.  Until then
     2:I am a dedicated crusader.
     3:end

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    Message: 290
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/dead
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 17:03:09

            I am certain you are the MAIN reason so many people in these
    troubled times want to live ........
            Keep up the good work ......

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     1:Huh?
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    Message: 60226
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 21:29:07

    Re:  "No Bob, we're not talking about the Irish"

    I knew that!

    Message: 60227
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 21:35:30

    Re:  "Model A Fords by Phoenix Model A Club"

    My very first car was a 36 Ford.  I bought it for $25, and it was a piece of
    junk, but it ran.  I was 15.  I drove it for a year and sold it to a junk
    yard for $15.  It had mechanical brakes.  They almost killed me.  I had lots
    of fun.  Didn't even have insurance.  I don't even think I knew what it was.
     If I did, I couldn't have afforded it.

    Message: 60228
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 21:37:44

    Re:  "The human body is biodegradable"

    Are the fillings in my teeth biodegradable?

    Message: 60229
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 21:40:59

    Re:  "What we need to do is initialy bury people in the airtight coffins"

    What we need to do is bury people in a wooden box.  Not only would it save
    lots of money, but everything would rod away.  The worms and bugs could get
    in and eat and all that good stuff.  50 years later we could use the grave
    site all over again, and nobody would know the difference.

    Message: 60230
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 22:17:16

    So, you are saying that Channel 8 reported that the U.S. and Israel are to
    blame for the terrorist acts?  What, are the terrorists on our payroll, or
    are they somehow controlled by us?  Interesting theory, but I don't buy it.

    Message: 60231
    Author: Tim Tam
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Model A Ford
    Date: 08/08/89  Time: 22:56:57

    You sold a '36 Ford for FIFTEEN DOLLARS?!
    WHOA!  Wish Corvettes were that cheap..
    -+*T.T.*+-

    Message: 60232
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: "Rodding away"
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 01:28:03

    Someone's unfortunate typo may just be more accurate than they know.  How're
    ya doing, Rod?  Long time no talk.  How's the smithing business?  The kids?
    Etc?  Thought I'd pop in and say hello. . . Thanks to Daryl Westfall for the
    great job keeping up to date on my whereabouts. . . five years later.  Makes
    me feel like I never left.  Come to think of it, did I?

    Anyway, for those that care, there should be a couple more pieces in the
    Life & Leisure section soon, one on Firebirds baseball, the other on
    shopping for athletic shoes... I know, it doesn't SOUND funny, but that's
    just because you haven
    (Dam* it) 't been there in a while. . .

    To all of you who were around when I was (I am NOT old), hello. . . Paul and
    Rod and JT (in DC, no less. . . why didn't I guess that someone with your
    personality -- don't ask -- would end up as a reporter in that town?) and
    James (hi) and Daryl and Carol, etc. . . I'm not forgetting you all on
    purpose.  I miss talking to you folks.

    Take care and ignore the nickname.  You already know it's old.

    Heather

    Message: 60233
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 04:25:41

    This is too weird.

    Message: 60234
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Biodegradable people
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 05:55:31

    Actually, there is a better answer, if people would only realize it and
    overcome their built-in prejudices. The solution? Cremation. It has several
    advantages:
    1. It puts the leeches who prey on the grieving families out of business,
    almost. At least it removes the exorbitant profit margin from the sale of
    coffins, cemetary plots, etc.
    2. It saves tremendous amounts of prime real estate for the use of the
    living. (Remember, they're not making any more!)
    3. It's clean.
    4. It saves years of maudlin sentimentality, running to flower shops and out
    to cemetaries to "see dear old dad" or whoever.
     As for me, if anybody wants to give me flowers and tell me how much they
    love me, do it now while I can still smell, hear and return the sentiment.
     THere's another nickle's worth, from the voice of experience.

    Message: 60235
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/string
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 06:00:08

     Yes. It is sold in small spray cans, and is called something like play
    string, fun string or some such. WHen the button is pressed, the substance,
    propelled by CFC, comes flying out and can be strung on people, objects or
    whatever is convenient.
     It's really a stupid little toy, but who gives kids credit for having much
    sense when it comes to fun?
    It can be purchased at any Walgreen's, or I guess any toy store in the
    valley as well. Enjoy while you blow holes in the ozone.

    Message: 60236
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tim Tam (?)/Corvette
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 07:05:54

    Hey......................TT......................

    Corvettes are "that" cheap, they just are sold for too much.  After all, a
    car made of Plaaaaaaaaaastic........

    See Y'aa..............

    Message: 60237
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:17:10

    Thanks a lot, buddy.  I don't have to tell some of these people how long
    YOU'VE been around.

    HB

    Message: 60238
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:46:52

      Hey, gal.  I liked your "Zonie Report" of a few weeks back.

              =========  Pascal  #(O,~)#  Wink!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 60239
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Ozone
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 08:50:09

      Now wait a minute, and let's see if I've got this straight.
      Chlorofluorocarbons are destroying our ozone layer, and absence of ozone
    is bad for us.
      When the news folks on the T and V tell us how badly the air in Phoenix is
    today, one of the pollutants is ozone, because it's bad for us.
      The answer to the first problem is to do more of whatever is causing the
    ozone polution; the answer to the second problem is more
    chlorofluorocarbons.

              =========  Pascal  #(O,o)#  Ouch!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 60240
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bob/brakes
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:02:28

    Re: 'mechanical brakes' .... please elaborate on what they are like and why
    the almost killed you. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60241
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/graves
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:16:04

    I'm all for cremation and the family gets to bring the ashes home in a
    little jar to do with what they want. No burials, no tombstones, no
    grave yards, no funeral homes and the rip off's they are noted for. If the
    family wished, the ashes could be buried in the back yard or scattered over
    a mountain somewhere or thrown away. If the deceased had no family - the
    latter would apply. However, this is still a waste of good furtilizer!
    Also, burial at sea is great. We'd be feeding the fish and there would be
    nothing left after a few hours. Where did we (the human race) come up with
    all this reverence for dead bodies? Why do we buy metal coffins so the body
    is somewhat preserved for decades and the coffin will remain much longer? Or
    worse yet - mosaleums (sp?) - huge slabs of cement? No matter what the
    religion or lack of it  no one believes there is anything in those bodies
    other than dead decay and rot. So what the heck are we going to so much
    trouble, expense - polluting the envirionment for? You got me!
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60242
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Tim Tam
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:25:45

    Since you are interested in Corvettes (but not cheap) ....

                          FOR SALE
    1985 Corvette - sun roof - stick shift - 20,000 miles on speedomiter -
    $2,000 Dolby stereo with cassette - all digital - computer run - AC of the
    first quality - auto windows - new tires - adjustable seats - gets good gas
    mileage on road & city driving - very comfortable. Excellent condition.

                      $16,500 - cash only. $2,000 under blue book.

                   Owner is getting a van.

    P.S. This car cruises at 100 mph - owner has been such a coward, hasn't done
    that much. It has a racing engine. (what ever that means)

    Message: 60243
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on cremation
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:28:07

    I did not see your post on the subject before I put mine in. I agree 100%
    and you said it better. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60244
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeannie/Corvettes
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 09:31:02

    Yes, they are made of plastic and are not bio-degradable - but who ever
    throws away a Corvette? They have 'soul' and who's gonna bury all that?
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60245
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Spaz?
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 10:14:36

            Yes, that is the REAL Heather (Spaz) Brown by the way...  Just in
    case some of you thought this was a put on or a joke.

            I about fell out of my SysOp chair last night when Heather logged
    in.....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60246
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 11:04:58

    It wasn't Heather that caused you to fall out.  I loosened some screws on
    your chair the last time I was over.

    Message: 60247
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tim
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 11:53:07

    Re:  "You sold a '36 Ford for FIFTEEN DOLLARS?!"

    That was back in 57.  It was a piece of junk.  Did you ever see a 20 year
    old car that was driven in Northern Indiana for most of its life.  They salt
    the roads in the winter time up there.  If you drove through a puddle of
    water with all the doors closed and all the windows rolled up, you would get
    soaking wet.

    Message: 60248
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 11:56:40

    Re:  "The solution? Cremation."

    I heard somewhere that bodies still have to be embalmed before they are
    cremated.  Some kind of law made to protect the income of the morticians.
    Is that true?  And what does it cost to get fired up (cremation not booze)?

    Message: 60249
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:06:29

    Re:  "'mechanical brakes' .... please elaborate"

    Today all cars I know of have hydraulic brakes with some kind of assist like
    vacuum.  In the good ol' days the brakes were mechanical.  A long metal rod
    was connected to each brake drum and met together through a lever at the
    brake pedal.  The pressure require to make a sudden stop or lock up the
    wheels was considerable.  If the vehicle was heavy or if the drums got wet,
    you had to literally stand on the brakes in an attempt to stop.  Just before
    I sold the Ford, there was only one drum working well.  All American cars
    switched over to the better safer hydraulic system in the early 40's.

    Message: 60250
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:10:21

    Re:  "burial at sea is great"

    Sounds good to me.  But wouldn't we be running a danger of polluting the
    poor fish when they eat the dead bodies?  We are so loaded down with
    artificial coloring and flavoring!  We'd probably give the fish cancer.

    Message: 60251
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mechanical Brakes
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:39:14

    Ford kept Mechanical brakes on all his cars up until 1939, long after the
    other major manufacturers had switched.  Hydraulic brakes had and still
    suffer from the problem that if there is the smallest leak in the system,
    you lose the whole brake system.  On the other hand, hydraulics allowed a
    lighter pedal pressure to stop a given weight of car.

    By 1939, most American cars had passed the ton and a half gross weight mark,
    and it took a lot more mechanical advantage to stop a car than in the days
    when popular priced cars weighed around 2000 pounds.

    The advantage of mechanical brakes was that any one or two brakes could fail
    (usually because of wear or mis-adjustment) and the other wheels still had
    "normal" braking power.  As long as the cars were recent models and
    maintained at an average rate, mechanical brakes stopped the cars of that
    era with no problems.  But with a 40-60 year old $15 junker, the odds of
    having brakes in good adjustment with minimal mechanical wear were pretty
    low.  I had a Model A roadster in high School (a $25 car) that I had to
    tighten the brakes everytime I got in the car.  A $25 brake job was out of
    the question.
       Today I own two Model A's, with mechanical brakes in renewed and restored
    condition, and so long as I observe speed constraints and traffic laws, They
    are quite adequate to stop the car.  But I remember the 50's when I had to
    tighten the brakes before my girl friend's dad would let her get in the car
    with me!

    Message: 60252
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Auto Show.
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 12:45:08

    Model A show this weekend, Aug 11, 12, 13, at Maryvale mall.  22+ old Fords,
    all with mechanical brakes.  Also a display of what the well dressed woman
    wore aroung the 1930 era.

    Message: 60253
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 15:40:36

    If the only alternatives are to do nothing or to commit an unspeakable
    evil, you should do nothing.

    Also, CFCs are no longer used in aerosol spray cans in the United States.

    Message: 60254
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Heather Brown
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 15:40:53

    I am not a reporter in D.C.; I am in public relations at the moment.

    Message: 60255
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last..
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 18:28:31

            Well E X C U S E me.....   I am the one that told Heather you were a
    journalist/reporter.    I did not know you were in public relations... Are
    you sure you fit that job?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60256
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT & Steve M
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 20:36:09

    Sorry about my misinformation.  I hope you are successfully publicly
    relating.

    Steve, I remember your name, though you may not remember mine as well. . .
    Nice to see you around here also.

    HB

    Message: 60257
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Need an IBM?
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 20:45:37

    How about a buyer for a slightly used but none-the-worse-for-wear IBM PC
    (not a compatible) with two 5 1/4" floppies, 256K RAM, covers, monitor and
    disks?  Only used every other Sunday by a little old lady who just drove it
    to church. . . Leave me mail in the next two days.

    (Quick!! Make a decision!!)

    HB

    Message: 60258
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/teeth
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 21:46:38

            Everything in the universe is biodegradable.  When a galaxy explodes
    it has a habit of re-arranging everything.

    Message: 60259
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Cremation
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 21:50:19

            Hot Dog, I agree with you.  Can I watch you burn if you go first?
    You can watch me burn if I go first?  In fact, you'll probably watch me burn
    forever, he-he, ha,ha, ho, ho.

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    Message: 60261
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 08/09/89  Time: 22:08:25

    No, I did not say that Channel 8 gave a specific reason for the recent
    terrorist attacks.  If you would re-read my original post you would notice
    that my first two paragraphs were in the form of serious questions.  In my
    third (I believe) paragraph I admitted that I did not know the reason why
    some people are so very mad at us.  There are a lot of theories and I just
    named two of them.
    Channel 8 did show some CIA activities (declassified) from the Eiserhower
    Administration to the Kennedy-Johnson Administration.  We surely have made a
    lot of people mad at our government, plus caused MANY deaths according to
    the show in point.
            Perhaps you struck out at my message because I basically stated that
    the human animal does not have enough intelligence to bring about peace at
    this time.  Well, it's certainaly a true statement as I don't see peace.
    All I see is more military spending and more harsh laws against peoples
    basic freedoms.  Perhaps the word, 'intelligence' was not a good choice on
    my part.  Humans have a certain amount of it but also a tad bit too much
    cruelity and greed.
            My message was to point out (most everyone here and on talk shows
    just wanted to NUKE Iran) that no one is blameless.  No one is an innocent
    lamb and all of the facts are not know by us.  We are spoon-fed that which
    is allowable by government.  I don't believe we should nuke anyone.  I think
    most of the world is morally corrupt and the U.S. is no exception.  Look at
    our government, the CIA and IRS.  If they don't treat the American people
    fairly would you think they treat foreigners more fairly than us?  -Rod