### Apollo BBS Archive - May 9, 1989

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:36:27

      I thought of it while driving to Tucson a couple of days after I suggested
    the contest. I had been going to write some kind of detective story or
    something, but then I thought of this and all the neat underlying themes
    that could be worked into it.
       See You Later
          Dean H.
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     1:        So, re-write it and send it off to a publication.  You'd have to
     2:change some names as not many people would understand.   -Rod

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 02:18:15

    Interesting concept, but I believe that like many other such groups, their
    behavior is less than effective. As you said, religion interferes with their
    judgement, and the frivolous recording of liens by their "government" is
    clearly just petty harassment. I can support an effort to reject the system,
    but by filing liens and such, they are using the system they reject. Makes
    no sense to me.
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     1:        Did you see the editorial in the Republic several days ago about how
     2:lead cook-wear killed the Roman Empire and that automobiles are killing our
     3:society. The writer pointed out that there is no solution.  It is too late.
     4:The personal auto has fucked us and we must pay.   -Rod

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    Message: 171
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: ROD
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:06:53

    So, what you're saying is taking LSD is similiar to disaster?

    Message: 172
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: SIBEL
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:07:33

         I've been on my best behavior this last month or two.
    Are you married yet?

    Message: 173
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 20:18:34

    No, you interested?
    mischievous [wink]

    Message: 174
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 00:15:45

    You'll go to hell for that.

    Message: 175
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Peter/LSD
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 03:25:59

            My best trip was a disaster.

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    Message: 2220
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Kontest
    Subject: Let get more Stories
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 00:23:45

    from some of you good ol'Apolloites out there.  So far as of this post we
    have SIX stories entered....   Peter Petrisko?  Traci?   James H?
    Westfall?  James Taranto?  Nick Ianuzzi?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 2221
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 01:53:55

    Nick died in a horrible skiing accident.

    Message: 2222
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy/#2216
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:34:41

    I have re-read Vail of Innocence and do not see where I come out like that.
    Am I getting all these stories mixed up in my head? Duh! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2223
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jeannie
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:36:20

    Hell - your reputation! You come out smelling like a rose and I come out
    with a stink! My reputation as a pure and innocent is ruined forever!
                        -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2224
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: James/last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:37:39

    Did the pole stick him? Where? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2225
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Kontest
    Subject: Stories
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 12:14:27

    I've just down loaded all the stories to print out and re-read, but from
    what I've seen so far, there is *one* story that is almost professional.
    The others are pretty good. (My God, do we have some vivid imaginations on
    this board!)

    Question - Who gets to vote?  Entrants?  Status users?  can non status users
    downline load the stories to read?

    Question - What's the grand prize?  A weekend in Ajo?

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 2226
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 16:59:52

    The winner gets an all expense trip to Big Surf.

    Message: 2227
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last....
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 17:30:36

            Paid for in full by Hawley Locksmithing!

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    Message: 3078
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Ralph/movies
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 16:11:49

            In answer to your ----- ask Sandie what movies she likes ........

    Raphie lent Cliff and I two XXX rated movies. We saw one of them and I have
    to say that Debbie DID NOT Do Dallas.

    Never saw a movie like that before. Never knew a movie really could be made
    without a plot.
    All it was was a continuous series of sexual encounters that  one person has
    interpreted as 'turn ons' for the man.

    Message: 3079
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 17:01:18

    Which Debbie?  I, II, or III?  The first one is pretty boring.  For an
    interesting night, try Cafe Flesh.

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    Message: 58610
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: News Today
    Subject: RANDOM NOTES
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:13:30

         The great and venerable Sufi sage, Mullah Nasrudin, once raced through
    Bagdad on his donkey, galloping as fast as the poor beast could travel.
    Everybody got excited and people rushed into the streets to find out why the
    philosopher was in such a great hurry.
         "What are you looking for, Mullah?" somebody shouted.
         "I'm looking for my donkey!" Nasrudin answered.
         Like most Sufi jokes this seems calculated only to annoy us, like a
    Marx Brothers routine that doesn't quite succeed in being funny.

    Message: 58611
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James H
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:19:26

    Re:  "When sexuality is repressed, no good can come
    of it."

    I don't think Ann or I was thinking of "Sexual repression".  We were
    thinking of "sexual exploitation".  Sexual exploitation is wrong.

    Message: 58612
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:26:00

    Re:  "We're not going to see less
    crime in the streets, even if we build 10,000 new prisons, until we have
    intelligent people in government."

    I think the Judicial system is mostly to blame.

    Message: 58613
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Freemen
    Date: 05/08/89  Time: 23:49:05

      If you had any idea what capitalism is you wouldn't say that it had to
    change in order to be compatible with the philosophy of the freemen.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 58614
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Kontest News
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 00:12:58

    *=* New Story added! *=*  And where are the rest of you story tellers?

    This post is uploaded from the ART SIG for those of you who may be
    interested.  This may prove to be the best short story contest to date on
    Apollo.  The story can be [D]ownloaded from the [L]ibray (ASCII)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From Jeannie Innajug.... Sandy and the Wolf    INNAJUG.TXT

    From Gary Jones.....  Apollo Nights    GARYJ.TXT

    From Sandy SysOp....  Veil of Innocence   SANDYS.TXT

    From Dean Hathaway...... An Audience With A King    DEANH.TXT

    From Ann Oudin.......... The Modern Inquisition     ANNOASSP.TXT

    From Rodney Williams .... The Grass Tastes Good    RODW.TXT

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 58615
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 02:23:09

    Do you also think that most porn actresses dislike their work?

    Message: 58616
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James H./prostitutes
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:16:03

    Sure, you'll be able to find a few of them that enjoy their work but I'll
    bet 99 out of a 100 do not! It would be one thing to be a high paid call
    girl that chooses their Johns - that is kept in some penthouse apartment and
    lavished with furs and jewels, then a hooker down on Van Buren having to go
    to bed with every kook in town and /or with whom their pimp says they must!
    Either way, they are allowing themselves to be used. And, NO! I would not! I
    feel that I can go to bed with who ever I want. But the key word is 'WANT'!
                                   -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58617
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/#58604
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:20:07

    Because if women allow themselves to be used in such a mannor, men will
    never take them seriously or equally. And, neither will women! In my
    opinion, women are doing more damage to themselves than men are!
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58618
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/58611
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:22:11

    Thank you Bob. Your post to James H. was well stated. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58619
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:28:41

    Heck no! They probablly like it. Why not? They get to fool around with some
    good looking hunk. They arn't forced to go with just anyone to make a
    living. There is no pimp pressure. And, these kind of movies are legal!
    Also, in these movies the woman alone isn't exploited. If I can remember
    back to the last time I saw one of these movies, both the man and woman were
    naked and doing their thing! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58620
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/ posts?
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 08:30:18

    Should these posts be on the cos sig instead of here? I don't want to end up
    in the Zone. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58621
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 11:24:00

    There have been statistics stating that less than 3% of people really enjoy
    their jobs.  So if only 5% of prostitutes enjoy their jobs, then they are
    right in line with the nation.  I don't think that most women are forced
    into prostitution, but that most enter it willingly.

    Perhaps we should go to Nye County and do a little survey, eh?

    Message: 58622
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 16:17:03

    I do not agree with you that a woman whose occupation you find distasteful
    is being "used."  I also do not agree that freedom consists in being taken
    "seriously or equally" by men.

    Message: 58623
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: 58610/Nasrudin
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 21:18:53

    The stories of the sage are known throughout the East, as well as in many
    parts of Africa. Many of the stories involve our hero showing up princes and
    politicians.

    I have several books of these stories in Esperanto, translated from Chinese!

    Message: 58624
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Above
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 22:23:22

      Hey!  Post some of those suckers!  (I haven't seen anything posted in
    Esperanto on this board in quite a while.)

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    Message: 58625
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Exploitation
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 22:33:38

      So the Miss America contest exploits women, and should be dropped?  Well
    then, the Mr America contest exploits men, and so logically that should be
    dropped, too.  But if you want to be logical, *all* contests should be
    banned as exploitative of people who have a chance of winning them.  This
    doesn't make sense.
      Now I think the logic is that the existance of Miss America is a message
    that if you don't measure up well with the contestants' qualifications, then
    you're a failure.  Do you buy that?
      Well, then there's motocross.  Its existance implies that anyone who isn't
    crazy enough to ride a motorcycle in the mud is a failure.  I don't buy
    that.  There's the World Chess Championship, whose existance implies that if
    I can't play chess as well as Bobby Fisher, them I'm a failure.  Well, I
    don't buy that.  The Mr America contest implies that if I don't have a
    totally ridiculous amount of muscle, I'm a failure.  Well, I don't buy that.
      If you're against Miss America because she implies that you're a failure,
    then the problem is your own -- you've bought the line.
      Some people like looking at pretty girls; others at muscle-bound men;
    others at high-school science fair exhibits; etc., etc., ad nauseum.  Just
    don't accept someone else's criterion of usefulness as universal, and these
    contests won't bother you.

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    Message: 352
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last ending
    Date: 05/09/89  Time: 21:26:15

    Hey, I want to cast my vote for Rod's entry with that ending!

    Message: 353
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ending
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 03:37:06

            Imagine what a new beginning for this world would be with the
    understanding that these two astronauts have.  Early man worshipped the sun
    and feared the night.  None of this would have to be.  With the technology
    these two possess a lot of mistakes would be avoided.  Solar technology
    could be used as well as cordless telephones and environmental housing.
            By the way, I went and got sick.  I have a hell of a sore throat, a
    fever and some chills.  I just woke up after sleeping for many hours.  But
    it is a good time to get sick because it is too hot out for work.
            Hawley, page me when you are in 'active' status, okay?  -Rod

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    Message: 58626
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 03:41:24

            Imagine a person who has a sickness in their brain and it causes,
    among other things, sores to pop up on various parts of the body.  You treat
    the sores and see that they go away and you claim victory but the sores pop
    up elsewhere.  This reminds me of what our court system does when it puts
    people away, treats the disease but not the cause.  Of course if they wanted
    to treat the cause then many, if not most, would have to step down.
    -Rod

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     1:        Ann, I think that Jeannie In-a-jug is none other than Sandy.
     2:By the way, the liberal people on the board made up with a point in mind.
     3:The others just seemed to cut down others.  How unfair.  -Rod

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