### Apollo BBS Archive - March 9, 1989

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 03:26:45

    It might be worthwhile to keep a notebook in your van with you. During the
    course of the day, when a thought strikes you, you can write it down. Later,
    when you have some time, the notes will serve to jog your memory.

    I remember a couple of years ag going to the mall with Rae and Christian.
    Christian was telling me how she envisioned her life would be when she was
    older -- what sort of a house she would like, the kinds of furnishings, etc.
    etc. She seemed filled with an enthusiasm for the future. I wonder if that
    is still the case?
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        I have been planning to pick up a mini-recorder and do what you
     2:suggest.  I do get my best thoughts when I am fresh.  I usually forget them
     3:by evening.
     4:        Yes, I think Christian still has that enthusiasm.  Victor's parents
     5:have been bringing pressure to bear on them to get married.  They insist on
     6:a Catholic Church wedding as they are very devout, daily devout.  Christian
     7:nixed the idea totally about a church wedding so Victor, as brainwashed as
     8:he is, is willing to get married to sortof make the parents happy.  They
     9:indicated that they will accept nothing short of a Catholic joining.  So,
    10:all I can think of to say is FUCK it.  I don't want to become involved in
    11:this dribble.  I told Christian she was out of her mind but to no avail, oh
    12:well.
    13:
    14:        I got another Rueger 22, big barrel, semi-auto.
    15:        -Rod

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 06:52:23

    Massa Rod mah man - how can yo accuse me of beeing Afro Poet. Yo knows my
    skin is white as cotton. "Oh, dem golden slippahs - oh dem golden slippahs
    .....!"
    Even if you just log and and say 'shit' - it will help. Ha. -=*) ANN (*=-
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        Is you or ain't youse, the Afro Poet?  Oh shit!
     2:                _rod
    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5293
    Author: $ God Jehovah
    Category: BEHOLD! .....
    Subject: R and R
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 01:16:11

            Peace To You All:
            After a hectic eternity I needed a place to rest.
    Apollo comes through again. This wonderful BBS has offered me rest in
    the $tatus Sig. beings how it is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
    quiet.

            Now, to ponder my next creation ...........

    Message: 5294
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 01:18:13

            How nice of you to drop in ..........

    Feel free to stay as long as you like. This sig. looks quite safe after all
    the last post was dated 2/16/89.

    Message: 5295
    Author: $ God Jehovah
    Category: BEHOLD! .....
    Subject: Thank You
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 01:20:07

            Bless you my child. You truly are one of my creations. One I would
    be proud to have sit next to me in eternity.

    Message: 5296
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 01:21:08

            Any time ........

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2899
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/2894
    Date: 03/08/89  Time: 21:33:59

    I am not talking about children who are unable to care for their parents
    properly. I am talking about those that can, but choose not to because it
    puts a "crimp in their lifestyle." Muffy can't go to the Borgata in her
    foo-foo pink Ferrari, and Biff can't take the Rolls Royce to the Yacht Club
    because the maid is on vacation, and God forbid they need to tend to the
    needs of a stable but dependent parent. There are those that are left to rot
    in the convalescent homes, those that are capable, whose lives do not
    consist simply of "drooling," who slowly waste away to a vegetable because
    of the lack of attention, the overabundance of isolation, the condescending
    attitudes of some nursing home employees (who assume that all of the
    patients have deteriorated mentally to a 3-year-old level), and the
    desertion of all family members.+

    Message: 2900
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/2895
    Date: 03/08/89  Time: 21:42:17

    Exactly! Most of the vacant people you see in the nursing homes are those
    who just gave up; those who decided to just give up and rotted away from the
    inside out. Enjoy every day as much as you can. Don't worry about tomorrow,
    let it worry about itself. I have a friend of mine who was the son of an
    elderly lady that my mom used to houseclean for. He used to be a champion
    backgammon player until a form of muscular dystrophy attacked his muscles,
    and slowly ate away at his motor nerves. He never gave up, though. When it
    became difficult for him to use a standard board, they had a larger one made
    up for him. At one point, when we were playing, I had to make his moves for
    him as well as mine. However, it did not cause him to give up on life. He
    kept telling me where to put his pieces, and he continued to beat me game
    after game! He was fortunate not to have to suffer his bodily deterioration
    for too long, he passed on at an early age. However, he had a strength and
    determination I could never hope to equal in all my years. He lived for the
    day, and did not dwell on his shortcomings. In the long run, they turned out
    to be beneficial! He ended up living a happier life than most people I know
    with perfectly functional bodies. He has been one of my role models for
    years.

    Message: 2901
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/2898
    Date: 03/08/89  Time: 21:44:26

    My, that was certainly a loving statement if I ever saw one.

    Message: 2902
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann and Sandy
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 03:53:46

    I won't argue that gnetics are a determining factor in one's longevity, but
    they are not the sole determining factor. Very soon it will be possible to
    determine shortly after birth what sort of genetic weaknesses a person has.
    If, for example, a predisposition for skin cancer exists, the person could
    be told what to avoid.

    On the subject of doctors not agreeing on what is healthy and what isn't --
    give them time. Much research is involved in making these sorts of
    determinations. Twenty years ago, there was far less agreement then there is
    now.

    And who said fiber isn't good for you?

    Message: 2903
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/mother in law
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 07:13:10

    But she does believe she will go to Heaven and be with the angels when she
    dies. But that's something I don't understand --- why is she so afraid of
    dying then? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2904
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Nick & Sandy
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 07:20:51

    I just think the old addage 'Moderation in everything' is the answer to
    health and happiness. I couldn't imagine life with out some salt or fat on
    my steak - but I'm not going to pig out on either. Ditto booze - fiber -
    vitamines - jogging (ugh!) - health foods and the like. The only thing I
    don't do in moderation is smoke! No doubt I'll pay for it!
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2905
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl/#2899
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 07:33:49

    One statement you made --- "that these people slowly waste away to
    vegetables because of lack of attention" --- in most cases, this is their
    own fault, not the kid's! Getting back to my Mother in law - she's a classic
    example of just wasting away because she feels she hasn't any future, so
    why try?! There's always something to do or learn no matter what condition
    your in - case in point, your friend that liked Backgammon so much. Of
    course, if Alzimers disease gets you, then there's nothing can be done.
    Re: all the people that have to much to do to go visit aged parents - I
    still say it's the old people's fault basically. They do not make the visits
    very pleasent even if they have their full mental facilties. They seem to
    sit around feeling sorry for themselves and waste away. We all are
    responsiable for ourselves even into old age. Our kids owe us nothing - we
    choose to have them, not they doing the choosing. Only love ties the bonds
    and if an elderly person is mean and cranky and shows no love - then what is
    to be expected from their children?
    How about caring so much for your kids you don't want them burdened? That's
    another side of the coin isn't it? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2906
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/2903
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 10:52:27

    Ann, it's human to be afraid. Impending death tends to put many doubtful
    thoughts in one's mind. At the time one's life flashes before his/her eyes,
    there are always those doubts. A thought that seems to worry even the most
    devout Christian is whether or not they will truly get to heaven (a doubt
    that can be caringly put out of their mind by the reminder that they have
    repented of their sins and accept Christ as their personal savior.) Another
    fear is losing those that are close to you once you are gone. Some seem to
    get too much of a grip on earthly posessions. As for the earthly posessions,
    well, you can't take them with you. However, there will be a time when the
    Christian will be reunited with those close to them. Fear is natural.

    Message: 2907
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: 2905/Ann
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 11:06:47

    Ann, certainly there are those that turn the light out on their own future.
    That fatalistic attitude is a hard one for a caring person to break through.
    I find your attitude on visiting elderly relatives to be a bit on the
    selfish, though. It seems to me in your message that you expect the elderly
    person to entertain you during your visit. Just because an elderly person
    seems cranky during your visit doesn't necessarily mean that they do not
    appreciate it. There are many elderly people who have been conditioned to
    lock everything inside because their visiting children do not want to be
    bothered with what they're thinking about. Sometimes an open ear is all it
    takes. I seem to have a knack for this, and sometimes it has gotten me into
    trouble. There are a few older people that come into the record store where
    I work. They always need someone to talk to, and it seems nobody else in
    their life wishes to bother. Well, they always seem to drop in when they are
    in the area, not really to shop, but to drop in and talk (which is where I
    get in trouble). They always seem to leave so very happy, and though I
    usually get chewed out by my manager for wasting time, I usually end out the
    day in a much happier mood than I was in before.
    As for my own parents, I plan to help them out to the best of my ability
    when they are no longer able to make it on their own. Exodus 20:12 was
    taught to me early in life, and I have done my best through my life to
    always honor my parents and never shame them.

    Message: 2908
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/Smoking
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 17:44:35

    You can rationalize away your obsession with smoking too much by saying that
    you do it to make sure you don't overdo the moderation.  That is,
    "everything in moderation (including moderation)"

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 2909
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl/ nursing homes
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:01:40

            The nursing homes could build some 'trick' showers and they could
    tell the ones who can no longer care for themselves that they look dirty.
            -Rod

    Message: 2910
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Death/fun
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:03:12

            I am fortunate in that I accepted physical death about fifteen years
    ago.  You'd be surprised what advantages this has.  Fuck planet Earth.

    Message: 2911
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: .
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 22:53:46

    Old man #1: "Irving, how are you?"
    Old man #2: "Terrible! Memory's going. I can't remember if it was you or
                 your brother who died."

    How does an Italian goatherd keep track of his flock?
    -He counts the legs, and divides by 4.

    What's the difference between a black and a bicycle?
    -A bike doesn't sing "Kumbaya, my Lord" when you chain it up.

    What do cowboy hats and hemorrhoids have in common?
    -Sooner or later, every asshole has one.

    Hear about the new leprosy theme songs?
    -"Put Your Head on My Shoulder" and "I Wanna Hold Your Hand".

    What's the definition of a metallurgist?
    -A man who can tell if a platinum blonde is a virgin metal or a common one.

    What did the naked newlywed say when her husband caught her sliding down the
    bannister?
    -"Just heating up dinner, darling."

    What do you call someone who's half-Welsh and half-Hungarian?
    -Well Hung.

    And, what do you call a woman who makes beds in a no-tell motel?
    -A Minute Maid.

    Girl: "You smell good. What've you got on?"
    Boy: "A hard-on - but I didn't know you could smell it!"

    How do you stop a Polish amphibious landing?
    -Shoot their rubber horses.

    Mary had a little lamb...
    -That'll teach her to stay out of the barn.

    What do you call someone with no arms and no legs in a whirlpool?
    -Eddy.

    Why did the prostitute wear spikes?
    -She didn't want to sell herself short.

    What do you call dining al fresco in Madrid?
    -A spicnic.

    When is it justified for a woman to spit in a man's face?
    -When his mustache is on fire.

    What do you call a fag in a chariot?
    -Ben Her.

    What did Jesus do at the front desk of the hotel?
    -He slapped down 3 nails and asked, "Say, can you put me up for the night?"

    Why did God give women nipples?
    -To make suckers out of men.

    What's black and white and sees eye-to-eye with Moshe Dayan?
    -Sammy Davis Jr.

    Why should you run over a black on a bike?
    -It might be your bike.

    Why can't you circumcise Iranians?
    -There's no end to those pric!

    What was the Pope's fourth miracle?
    -He heeled a dog.

    Message: 2914
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: ....
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 23:03:31

    Hear about the Great Wall of China?
    -It has chinks in it.

    Did you hear aout the sailor who got sucked under the dock by a wave?

    Why do Indians wear jock straps?
    -Totem pole.

    After the war, how come none of the lepers could walk?
    -They were defeated.

    What's German for "virgin"?
    -Goesintight.

    Why can't fortune tellers have babies?
    -Their husbands have crystal balls.

    What veneral disease do rabbits get?
    -V.W.

    How many Polacks are needed to take a bath?
    -6. One to lie in the tub, and 5 to spit on him.

    Bumper sticker: All Extremists Should Be Killed.

    Another bumper sticker: Quit tailgating me, or I will fuck that booger on
                            your windshield.

    What's grosser than gross?
    -When your boyfriend wakes up with a lump in his throat and a string
    attached.

    Hear about the Italian who picked his nose apart... to see what made it run?

    What do you get when you cross a Mexican and a Spaniard?
    -Spic 'n Span.

    What do you call someone with no amrs and no legs in court?
    -Sue.

    What does a man do standing up, a woman do sitting down, and a dog do with
    one leg raised?
    -Shake hands.

    How do you say "premature ejaculation" in French?
    -"Ooh, la la - so soon?!"

    Why are Polish mothers so strong?
    -From raising dumbbells.

    What does a gay nurse give his patients?
    -First AIDS.

    What's an Irish menage a trois?
    -Using both hands to masturbate.

    Did you hear about the fly on the toilet seat?
    -It got pissed off.

    What's blue and creamy?
    -Smurf cum.

    Know the difference between rude and crude?
    -Rude is when you throw your underwear against the wall; crude is when it
    sticks.

    Hear about the Polish starlet?
    -She went to Hollywood and slept with a writer.

    Why does Paris have so many tree-lined boulevards?
    -So the German Army could march in the shade.

    What's the worst song to request at a golden-agers dance?
    -Taps.

    Why do Mexicans eat their young?
    -Because there'll always be enough to go around.

    Why is it liiegal to tell jokes ina leper colony?
    -They might laugh their heads off.

    Did you hear that GM is recalling the 1986 Eldorado?
    -The glove compartment won't hold a watermelon.

    What's the difference between Dean Martin and Willie Nelson?
    -Willie Nelson's an older country-Western singer; Dean Martin's a singer
    older than most Western countries.

    Why did God make man first?
    -He didn't want a woman looking over His shoulder.

    What's blue and knocks on the window?
    -A baby in a fish tank.

    Hear about Helen Keller's latest affliction?
    -She got the clap.

    What do you get when you stroll through Central Park on a summer night?
    -Mugged.

    Why shouldn't we make fun of the handicapped?
    -Because if it weren't for them, we'd never get good parking places.

    What do you give a robot who's having her period?
    -An S.O.S. pad.

    Hear about the new disease among foot fetishists?
    -Athlete's tongue.

    What's the result of an explosion in a cow pasture?
    -Udder destruction.

    What casino do epileptics patronize?
    -Seizure's Palace.

    What does a cow have 4 or, and a woman 2?
    -Feet.

    What's dumber than 4 Italians building a house underwater?
    -Six Irishman trying to lay the foundation.
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 23:22:00

    Why do little Polish girls put fish intheir underwear?
    -So they can smell like big Polish girls.

    Hear about the tight end who had to serve time?
    -He came out a wide receiver.

    Bumper sticker: Nuke The Whales.

    Did you know the Statue of Liberty has AIDS?
    -They don't know if she got it from the Hudson River's mouth or from the
    Staten Island Fairy.

    What's the ultimate in emparrassment for a woman?
    -When her Ben-wa balls set off the airport metal detector.

    Definition of bisexual: Someone who likes girls as well as the next guy.

    Boy; "let's play carnival - you sit on my face, and I'll try to guess your
    weight."

    Did you hear about Clavin Klein jeans for gays?
    -They have knee pads in front and a zipper in the back.

    What's 6 inches long that every woman loves?
    -Folding money.

    What do Arabs do on Saturday night?
    -Sit under palm trees and eat their dates.

    Hear about the chauvinist who divorced his wife because of illness?
    -He got sick of her.

    Why do women have a speed limit of 68?
    -At 69, they blow a rod.

    How do you stop a roomful of flies from bothering you?
    -Take a dump in the corner.

    What do you call a female sex-change operation?
    -An addadicktome.

    What's a 200-foot-tall rubber?
    -A condominium.

    Confucius say: He who stands on toilet seat is high on pot.

    Message: 2921
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Moderation
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 00:28:27

            I believe in Moderation as well.
    I moderate everything except my vices ........

    Message: 2922
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 00:30:44

            I am afraid that the only phisical thing that died fifteen years ago
    was your brain........

    Message: 2923
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Pat / Jokes
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 02:23:43

            Wow!

    Message: 2924
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 02:24:02

            Yeah, right.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 57446
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/57422
    Date: 03/08/89  Time: 21:51:00

    The FFRF demands are simply asinine. The Bible is found in a drawer; you
    have to look to find it. If it offends someone that much, they can simply
    take it and place it outside of the door of their room, and I'm sure that
    the maid will pick it up in the morning. What are they afraid of anyhow?
    Afraid that they might pick it up, start reading and learn something? By the
    way, I've heard that several hotel chains will, if requested upon placement
    of reservation, remove the Bible from the room prior to occupancy. They say
    they've had stranger requests. As for equating a non-smoking room to a
    non-Bible room; there is no parallel whatsoever. Cigar(ette) smoke lingers
    in the room, attaching itself to the drapery, carpeting, linens, bed, and so
    on. It makes the room smell terrible. I cannot see how the placement of a
    Bible in a room could cause the same effects. Unless they were burning them.

    Message: 57447
    Author: $ Rod Bias
    Category: For sale
    Subject: 5.25 Disks
    Date: 03/08/89  Time: 22:39:51

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    Message: 57448
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 03:41:06

    Informative series of posts. I'm curious as to how it was proven that the
    writers of the Bill of Rights were referring to the populace as a whole when
    they used the word "militia." The liberals would still have us believe
    otherwise.

    Message: 57449
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/last 7
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 06:18:43

    You took seven posts to give us the benefit of your study on the subject of
    automatic and semi-automatic weapons, their availability to the public and
    other related items of information, and I thank you for the time you took,
    and for the information itself, which was most interesting.
     However, you failed completely to address the real issue here, and that is
    the easy availability of such weapons to the outlaw, drug dealing gang
    members of California, and more recently of Arizona as well, and the use to
    which these weapons are being put by these gang members.
    Contrary to your statement concerning the rules surrounding the purchase of
    such weapons as the AK-47 and Uzzis, etc., these weapons are quite easily
    purchased over the counter at any gun shop with very little if any
    prerequisites. You also ignored the facts concerning the ever increasing
    number of innocent people who are killed quite regularly as a result of the
    use of these weapons by gang members in their never ending fights over such
    things as turf, while emphasizing the few nuts who go off their rockers and
    shoot up schoolyards. While the latter get a lot more attention from the
    media due to the shock element of their actions, the former function on a
    daily basis, and gang wars and their related drug activities are becoming a
    way of life in places such as L.A. Since our "beloved" chief of police has
    now decided to concentrate his efforts on seeing that the users of the dope
    get their just rewards, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Phoenix
    develop into L.A. East in the next few months, since the gangs will take his
    decision as an open invitation to "come on over" as the pizza commercial
    says. Lots of misdirection here. Facts are still being ignored. Too bad.

    Message: 57450
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 06:27:45

    "Why give the police these sort of weapons?"
    A large part of the problem is that the police are trying to curb the gang
    activities with armament that is totally inadequate for the job. They have
    police special handguns and maybe a shotgun or rifle in their cars, and are
    fighting against gangs that are armed with automatic, or semi-automatic
    assault rifles. It's like trying to fight cannons with rubber band shooters.
    Law enforcement officers are outmanned and outgunned every time they go up
    against a gang running a crack house or in a gang war.
    I am not really advocating arming the police with more and better weapons. I
    am trying to find the answers that will keep such awesome things out of the
    wrong hands that are finding them so readily available. Something obviously
    has to be done, and the NRA and gun advocates with their sweeping defense of
    everybody's right to keep such weapons is not helping. Selectively
    restricting laws on the production and distribution of such weapons, with
    strict and strong enforcement of such laws could help. That is all I am
    saying.

    Message: 57451
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 06:35:36

    Sandy, I only have 2 minutes left on the BBS, but all I can say is
    that,While I agree totally with your feelings, can't you see that there is
    something inherently wrong with a society gone so mad that innocent
    citizens, who have no relation to gang activity other than the misfortune to
    live in the wrong neighborhood, have to be afraid to step out of their home,
    to even go grocery shopping?
     To answer your question, of course, given the same circumstances, I would
    rather go out with you and your far superior knowledge and ability with guns
    than I would with my own wife who wants absolutely nothing to do with guns
    of any kind. The real question is why should we the people be forced to live
    under circumstances in which we are forced to make such decisions?

    Message: 57452
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on gangs
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 07:11:12

    Changing the subject a bit - it seems to me that the drug/gang/gun problem
    would be solved if we legalized drugs to begin with. Gangs might still be
    around but if they are not fighting for something such as drugs - then the
    main reason for their existance would be gone. They would have nothing to
    protect.

    Dean ... your point about gangs being the new media hype is true of course -
    however, my daughter just moved from the L.A. area because of the violence
    of the gangs there and they are so many. I ask her why she didn't move to
    Phoenix and her reply was that the gangs are moving here now! She moved to
    Santa Fe instead and claims there are no gangs there. (at this time!)
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57453
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sandy/guns
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 10:25:14

            Well, consider this.  You know how well I am aquainted with gun use.
    Most people know even less about guns than I do; a frightening though.
    These are the people that learn about gun safety from "Miami Vice."  Now,
    would you like to see a signifigant number of them armed?
            The presense of guns may make some criminals hesitate to continue
    their life of crime, but others will just adopt a "shoot first" attitude.
    At least now they say "Stick 'em up!" first.
            Far more people are killed and hurt in gun accidents than are saved
    by using a gun as a threat.  It does give you a feeling of controling your
    own destiny, and IN THE HANDS OF AN EXPERT could deter crime.  But the
    average Joe Sixpack with a gun is (pardon the pun) a loose cannon.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 57454
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/57453
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 11:18:21

    The best way to solve a problem involving a dangerous product such as
    narcoti, is not to make it legal. If that were the case, we could curb mafia
    action in the underground porno industry by making child pornography legal.
    We could lighten the load in the prisons by making murder legal. We could
    eliminate the problem of pimps and organized crime in the prostitution
    business by making call-girls legal (my, wouldn't that help curb the spread
    of AIDS? [sarcasm]). In short, the way to curb an evil is not by legalizing
    a greater evil. Could you imagine the field day that companies would have it
    narcotics became legal? They would have an advertising field day, and suck
    hundreds of thousands of kids down that drug-induced drain. The chief source
    of income (and source of violence) among gangs currently is crack, a drug
    that can addict a user upon the first dose, and will cause the user to do
    anything within his/her power to keep a fix (the high lasts 20 minutes, in
    which a terrific depression follows [also a hunger for another high.]) Kids
    would deplete their finances, and resort to crime to keep their habit going
    (which is prevalent now, but not to the extent that it would be if crack
    were legalized.)
    Would you want crack to be legal? Your plan (were it to work) would involve
    a blanket legalization. Any omission would result in the gang's trafficking
    those one or two ILLEGAL drugs.*

    Message: 57455
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 15:53:48

    Re:  "if we legalized drugs to begin with"

    That same argument has been used for prostitution too.  I know some
    countries have either legalized or semilegalized drugs and/or prostitution.
    But has it helped society?  Does anyone have statistics?  No one is jumpinmg
    on the bandwagon of success here.

    Message: 57456
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Crime
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 16:01:51

    The best deterrent to crime is to make it unprofitable.  The next best
    deterrent is to execute the criminal.  I know some of you do not believe
    capitol punishment deters crime, but I have never heard of a dead man
    robbing a store, mugging an old lady, or raping a young girl.  Maybe when
    the situation gets bad enough the government will zap all the convects on
    death row.  That would have to save a bunch of money right there.  And I've
    already heard all that hoopla about some innocent getting zapped by mistake.
     My comment, tough!  Zap them all anyway!

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    Message: 57458
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Answer
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:14:20

    "The real question is why we the people should be forced to live under such
    circumstances"  Re: guns and violence

            Welcome to planet Earth.  Enjoy your stay but duck on ocassion.

            In a world with a corrupt system do not look for perfection.

            It's always been this way although much worse in the past.

            I travel around this valley on a daily basis.  I go north, south,
    east and west.  I have not seen so much as a gang member.  I think Dean's
    point about the media blowing all news out of proportion, including this
    one, is true.  Many people still think that Petrisko is a neo-nazi from the
    news broadcasts following the yucca incident.  Some anti-gun politicans
    could be beefing up these stories for their own reasons.
            I grew up in Ohio and there we had gangs.  They were easy to spot
    but here I've yet to see anything that resembles a gang.
                                    Rod

    Message: 57459
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/legal
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:24:19

            Your child porno does not fit well with drugs.  Not a good example.
    Why not make drugs legal.  Those who want to do them now have no trouble.
    In fact, two years ago an ounce of cocaine was $1000.  Today the same amount
    is $500.  This is because there is so very much on the street that prices
    continue to drop.
            If every drug user was put in prison (an impossible task) then there
    would be a prison on every block.  According to the most recent government
    stats, it costs $20,000 per year per inmate.  Guess who pays?  Why it is the
    middle class worker who pays.
            The very worst drug is already legal and has been legal for years.
    It is alcohol.  Pot, which is the mildest and does help people overcome
    alcohol addiction carries a felony penalty.
            Again, drugs being illegal stops no one from using them.  In fact as
    a person grows and learns how corrupt this society is, drugs become more
    desirable because they are illegal.
            There would be no bloods or crips in this area if drugs were legal.
    Just as many people would use them but there would be room in prison for
    people who commit crimes that involves hurting others.
            Christ used drugs.  It says so in the bible.
                                    Rod

    Message: 57461
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 00:48:41

            Sorry about the heading ..... I punched the wrong button.
    Can you state a time in man kinds history where people were not forced to
    live under circumstances that we have been discussing?

            What would your banner be saying during the Roman Empire? OR
    the Sumerian Civilization?

            I suppose one could mention a Country or two where the citizens roam
    about, for the most part, unarmed. I would venture to say that these
    examples would have Overpowering Governments. You know, the type of
    government that rules your every move. I do not want to have to sacrifice my
    abilities to 'ride herd' over my government so that ALL people can walk the
    streets not fearing their fellow man (only fearing their government).

            You do seem to have an infatuation on the subject of gangs though.
    Maybe so much so you are unable to listen to what others are saying.

    Message: 57462
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 00:57:06

            You do have a point about Mr. and Mrs. Joe and Josaphine Six Pack.
    One thing, a bonus for a trained person, is that we can spot those who do
    not know how to handle a firearm and we know how to respond.

            That reminds me of a gun fight two gentlemen had awhile back ago.
    Both ran to their vehicles, reached for their weapons, and commenced firing
    as they closed the distance between them. After the shoot out and after the
    weapons were emptied ....... both men just stood there shouting at each
    other. Neither was able to hit the other! hahahaha

            I do recommend, though, that a person should get some sort of
    weapons training. It is the smart and prudent thing to do. And I am sure
    that would make the potential 'hot head' or 'perpetrator' think more than
    twice about initiating anything.

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    Message: 57460
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/last
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:32:53

            Many a public official, policemen and probation, parole officers use
    drugs.  Judges, attorneys, city, county, state, federal personnel use drugs.
            What do you think the solution is?

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 203
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 03:59:36

    It's the other way around. Most does get properly utilized.

    Message: 204
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/taxes
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 07:37:43

    We work to pay taxes 7 1/2 days per week? Are we talking about the same
    thing? Ha. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 205
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 03/09/89  Time: 20:35:01

            It was only a joke.  I don't know the true figures.  But I would
    hazard a guess and say that our taxes are much higher than they were 214
    years ago.  We are just working for different people.

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