### Apollo BBS Archive - May 9, 1991

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 05/07/91  Time: 23:12:00

    Hi,
       That's the problem with a basically meaningless phrase like "Property is
    theft", you have to give it your own shade of meaning to impart any sense to
    it, and people will go around repeating such a thing and lending credence to
    its unsupportable, emotion based attack against property rights. I feel that
    the underlying sentiment is that some people and institutions have much
    property and may have gotten it by immoral means, and that this somehow
    justifies the destruction of all property rights.
      This is about the same thing as saying that it is unfair that some
    people are born beautiful, so we should all be surgically disfigured at
    birth so that we are all the same.
       The right to peacefully acquire and dispose of property is essential to
    being more than an animal in human form. Without the individual right to do
    so, you live at the discretion of ever authority decides who can use what
    and for how long. Collectivists love that idea, but anyone who would rather
    live like a man than like an ant would fight it to the death.
       I don't really know if the sphere of meddling by busybodies is really
    shrinking or not. Things like drug testing may create more of it than ever.
    If they ever come up with a test to find out what's in our minds, they'll
    try to weed us out until there are nothing but Paul Savages left. Actually
    they would probably get him for something too.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.
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     1:Good message on property rights.  But as property owners the working class
     2:is still at the mercy of the ruling class.  Property can be taken over by
     3:eminent domaine anytime it is deemed necessary.  The ownership of property
     4:only means something to those in control.  They have the final say.
     5:
     6:Perhaps it could become mandatory that each individual be given a brain scan
     7:once a year and if any conflicting data shows up then high voltage is
     8:introduced into our heads.
     9:
    10:Or we could be hooked up to a lie detector machine and be read the holy
    11:babel.  If our emotional responses stayed within limits we would be allowed
    12:to leave.  If not then prison.
    13:

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 05/07/91  Time: 23:19:08

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       I think there maybe something to all this talk about changing the world
    from within yourself. I fear that I am just too lazy to do anything about
    it. I sometimes think that if I lost my job and had to give up everything
    and start over it would be a blessing to have that freedom and motivation to
    take a different path where I wasn't tying myself to somebody else's goals.
       I would probably still do the lazy thing though and get another job doing
    the same thing.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.
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     1:I am being lazy (or safe) by staying with locksmithing.  I no longer enjoy
     2:doing the majority of work I am faced with.  I need to take a deep breath
     3:and go after different goals.
     4:end

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    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 22:18:20

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    Hi Rod
            Sorry you did not make the 'Blade Runner' GT.  Dee told me you were
    afraid you would not be able to pick that lock, so not wanting to be
    embarrassed, you stayed home.   Please don't feel that way.. Should i have a
    GT, I would not put you to work...  Hope now that maybe you can make the
    next one.

            Take care guy...

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     1:Not coming to the GT had nothing to do with the lock.  I like challenges.  I
     2:will take a job solely on it being a challange and give away another that is
     3:not.
     4:
     5:I was too tired that evening.  I have been redocorating bedrooms these past
     6:several months.  Three down and one to go.
     7:end

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    Message: 74979
    Author: $ Don Hicks
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann/last
    Date: 05/07/91  Time: 22:28:46

    Yea, so what's your point ?

    Message: 74980
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl/Genesis
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:50:58

     One can only theorize about those things on which God is silent. My
    thoughts on the matter are just that, theories, based on nothing more than
    faulty human reasoning.
     Glad to see you back on Apollo! WElcome!

    Message: 74981
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/tea
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:54:34

     I'm glad to hear that you had the good sense to let Sandy drive you home.
    Don't you wish everybody did after a few? I'll bet that I know of a coupl of
    cops' families that wish Horwitz had had as much sense. Among others.

    Message: 74982
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:58:07

     Your motives for asking for "information" were warped, young lady. You
    didn't want information, you wanted fuel for use in burning (verbally) the
    Book of Books, God's Holy Word. I considered your responses to my honestly
    given answers a personal insult as well, and my last post to you was nothing
    more than backlash.
    Go write some more pornography. It's probably safer.

    Message: 74983
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 06:12:32

     I have pretty consistently tried to avoid responding to posts from you Rod,
    but I can't resist commenting on your last two to me.
     In the first place, heroin, cocaine and other hard drugs are not comparable
    to caffiene, sugar, red meat, etc. THe latter, while I would not disagree
    that they are physically harmful, do not destroy the mind of the user, nor
    do they generally render the user incapable of normal functions, such as
    making an honest living, supporting families, fulfilling obligations, etc.
    The evidence that hard drugs do all those things is all around us, and all
    too obvious.
     Secondly, I don't know where you got your warped ideas of child rearing in
    Christian homes. To use fear as a teacher is not only anti-Christian, it is
    totally and absolutely WRONG! As humans, subject to all the human frailties
    that everyone else is, we sometimes err in our methods, but the predominant
    factor in successful child development must be love, not fear. There is
    nothing wrong with disciplining children as long as the discipline is
    administered with love, and the child knows that he or she is secure in that
    love, and in that family.
     You claim that you were once a Christian, or were raised in a "Christian"
    home. If the environment you describe is the only example of "Christianity"
    that you ever experienced, it's small wonder that you turned out so
    hatefully against anything Christian. The fact is, if that's the case, that
    you have never known the love of God, which is what real Christianity is all
    about.

    Message: 74984
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Get to Work, Melissa
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 07:50:15

    > Go write some more pornography. It's probably safer.

    You heard the man, Melissa!  Get to work!  (And post what you come up with.)

    Message: 74985
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Mad Max/Wild Bar
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 08:37:33

            There is NO connection between these two users.  Mad Max is not
    using the system under any-other name.  Wild Barbarian has never been a
    $tatus user under any other name.  I know him personally, honest!

            These are both two very real and different nice guys!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 74988
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Wild Barb
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 09:43:47

    I take it you've never owned a house with a pool. You don't have to lecture
    to me about communism; I live with a woman from Czechoslovakia so I know
    where government intervention in people's private lives leads.

    On Apollo, messages aren't linked together in threads, so it's customary to
    indicate who you're responding to in the "Subject" field or in the message
    content so everyone will know who you're talking to when you say "you."
    This is what Ann was criticizing your message about earlier.

    Message: 74989
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Milk Wars
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 10:49:57

            I don't touch the stuff, but we need lots of it for our two boys.
    I see in just the flyers I got today from Fry's, Smith's and Safeway we are
    having a front page milk price war.
            This is all the 2% stuff...this is what Sandy buys the boys:

            Safeway... $1.29  Limit 2 but no coupon

            Smith's... $ .89  Limit 1 with coupon & with $10.00 purchase

            Fry's..... $ .69  Limit 1 with coupon & with $5.00 purchase

    Also...

            Fry's has COKE 6 pack or 2 Liter 79cents limit 2 6-packs or 2 Liters

            Smith's has Pepsi 6 pack or 2 Liter 49cents limit 2 6-packs or 2
    Liters.  Both are coupon with a minimum purchace.

                    The only type WAR I love...

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 74990
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 12:39:24

    Hummm.  I feel a story coming on...  Cos users, stay tuned.

    Message: 74991
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rights rights rights
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:37:52

    Before I get into this, I want to make it clear that I despise the
    government meddling in any of my private affairs, including what I earn.
    I read that some people on here don't realize that what they may or
    may not do in *their own* home can and often will have a profound
    effect on others whether you realize, like it or not. If all the folks who
    wanted to smoke a joint or whatever in their homes and kept it there...
    no selling to others, no giving away, no going out the door stoned, that
    there would more than likely never be such a brohuhaha about drugs. Problem
    is that these same individuals get behind 2 tons of metal and kill, maim
    or destroy some innocent third party's life. When enough of these events
    happen, the victims families start being heared en-masse', giving rise
    to political pressures. (I.E. MADD is an example of this.)
    When your right to pursue happiness, freedom etc infringes upon those
    same rights I have, you have over-extended yours. When your pursuits
    restrict mine or totally stop them in the case of being run over, you
    get to lose yours. When a normally responsible and intelligent person
    is influenced by the effects of narcotics, alcohol or other drugs, that
    normally reliable person changes, often dramatically. Its the actions
    of the affected person and how they affect others around them which has
    led to the current state of affairs. The "alkies", dopers, smokers and
    shooters have only themselves to blame. So when government comes around
    saying "you must not...blah blah blah.." it's because those who *are*
    have proven themselves to be more dangerous and deadly to other people's
    rights to warrant taking away certain freedoms. And THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

    Message: 74992
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rights (example)
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:48:11

    Many of you know I have a dangerous hobby. I actually have several
    dangerous hobbies, just depends on your point of view I guess.
    One of my "dangerous" hobbies is making explosives.
    I've been at it for years, since I was 12. My natural curiosity on
    how our physical environment works led me to top scores all through
    my schooling in the arts and sciences fields. A spin-off from the
    sciences was high-energy chemistry.
    Now lets mix this absurd rights-at-home issue into this brew.
    Peter Petrisko claims nothing he does at home should be of any concern
    to our Government. I mostly tend to agree with him. I'll illustrate
    a reason w{y it's not entirely true, though.
    Let's say I'm diddling around with three components of a well known
    high-energy solution. I decide I wish to make a quantity of some high
    explosives. Lets also say I'm very inexperienced and shaky at it.
    Mike sits in his own home, mixing 4 readily available chemicals together.
    But was it 4 parts of X with 7 parts of Y and 2 parts of Z with a dash
    of XY? Hmm. Well, shoot, just try it out....*****WHATOOOOOOMMM****
    Mike, his house, dogs and new truck are spread over 8 City blocks. Two
    hundred feet in every direction there remains only a blackened wasteland.
    For 7 miles around, the blast was so intense the air formed a wall-shockwave
    and obliterated every glas object in its path, killing and maiming hundreds.
    4 Miles away the engine block lands on a nursery, killing 3 occupants.
    Electric service is disrupted for two days to 800 customers, and the houses
    adjacent to mikes are torn, tattered and heavily dammaged.

    Message: 74993
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rights (last)
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:59:17

    After months of picking up, police investigations, families putting
    their shattered lives back together slowly, one man asks why the
    cops couldn't have prevented him before this happened.
    Pretty soon the media lashes out at every chemistry supply shop,
    every chemist, engineer or student having anything to do with fireworks,
    pyrotechnics or high-energy physics and chemistry. Within a year
    bills are on the floor of the local politico roosts. Ban this, ban
    that. Just because one idiot blows his neighborhood into kingdom come,
    the media, public and police will all band together to restrict access
    to certain chemicals. (They do anyway).
    By the time Mike falls out of orbit in one last firey binge, the
    bleating sheep and such will be out in force pounding their breasts into
    bloody pulps publicly decrying the need for MORE LAWS, MORE CONTROL.

    Sound pretty far fetched?

    This actually happened in Chicago in the early 70's. It's happened several
    times since. Sometimes the circumstances are different..instead of a bomb
    mixture, its a cheap chinese assault rifle and a schoolyard of kids...
    or a sex maniac and a .22 that hits a noted politician. The story keep
    repeating itself. It's found where people smoke crack, drink beer, shoot up
    heroin and dope around. In their *own, private, sheltered homes.*
    No people, what you do at your house can and often will affect the rights
    of others..sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of how blind U are.

    Message: 74994
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Names
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 17:51:47

    From Az. Rep., May 8, 1991 by Van O'steen:

    Make name change through court decree or just announce it

    If your name offends you, you may change it easily.  Arizona
    law generally permits adults to change their names for any
    reason or for no reason.  The only limitation is that you
    may not do so for a fraudulent or illegal purpose.
      For example, you may not change your name to avoid your
    creditors.  You also may not do so to pass yourself off as
    someone else.  Expect legal difficulties if you choose to
    become "J. Fife Symington III."  Otherwise, you have
    considerable freedom to substitute a new name for your old
    one.
      There are two ways in Arizona to change a name.  One is
    referred to as the court-order method.  The other is called
    the common-law method.
      With the court-order method you must file a petition in
    Superior Court.  After a brief court hearing, your request
    generally will be granted if your purpose is not fraudulent
    or illegal.
      Common-law name change is accomplished simply by
    consistently using a new name.  No legal formalities are
    required.  Many people are unaware of this right, however,

    Message: 74995
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Names
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 17:59:53

    and they may question your use of a new name by this
    informal approach.
      In most cases, this problem can be resolved by preparing a
    document that states your intention to adopt a new name.
    Some self-help packets, available in Arizona bookstores,
    contain easy-to-use forms for this purpose.  You simply fill
    in a few blanks, then date and sign in the presence of a
    notary public.  This serves as written documentation of your
    common-law change of name.
      Arizona law also makes it possible to change the name of a
    minor (anyone under the age of 18).  The court-order method
    must be used for younger children.  Older minors generally
    may use either the court-order method, if assisted by a
    parent or guardian, or the common-law method.  Older minors
    are those of sufficient age and maturity to make an
    intelligent choice about their name.
      If you have questions about name changes in Arizona,
    answers can be found in one of the self-help packets sold in
    bookstores.  Otherwise, contact you county bar association
    for referral to an appropriate lawyer.

    Message: 74996
    Author: Paul Harris
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: mike's rights
    Date: 05/08/91  Time: 19:17:51

      I'm having a problem seeing what your analogy has to do with the use of
    certain drugs within the confines of one's own home. If you are saying that
    all drug use leads people to becoming maniacal, I beg to differ. I figured
    we were discussing RESPONSIBLE drug use, just as your pyrotechnical
    experimentation is presumably RESPONSIBLE. Occasional, responsible drug use
    no more leads to insanity than taking a particular pill will lead one to
    becoming an engineer.
       Although repeated, irresponsible use of some drugs will alter an
    individual's pschye, especially when the drug is addictive, I don't think
    that necessarily means that because of drug-use that person is headed
    towards becoming a maniacal killer. Maybe he is  screwing up opportunities
    to better his lot in life, or perhaps operating potentially dangerous
    equipment irresponsibly, but not necessarily getting ready to wipe out his
    whole family with a butcher knife.
       As a matter of fact, I think it can be shown that drug use by psychotic
    individuals is generally more of a symptom of their deep-rooted problems
    than the cause of them.
       If however, you are only saying that it is a few idiots out there who
    ruin it for everyone by acting irresponsibly, then I totally agree.

    Message: 74997
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: CARTER
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 00:00:35

         Again, no one here is saying people should be able to use a legalized
    drug and be able to drive, maim etc. others with no legal repercussions.
    In that respect, it differs very little from alcohol.
         There will always be some people who will endanger the lives of others
    - whether it be driving under the influence, or knocking off a few school
    kids with a gun. I don't see how this can be prevented, unless ALL drugs are
    illegal under threat of execution, all guns are confiscated, the top speed
    limit is set at 5mph instead of 55mph.... etc.
         Even with all that, things of this nature would occur.  What do you
    propose we do, Mike?  How do we stop the neophyte explosive hobbyist from
    blowing himself up without infringing on the right to privacy of literally
    thousands of explosive hobbyists who build responsibly & knowledgably?
         I think people need to be given (or keep) the responsibility to control
    their own lives.  With that responsibiliy comes the understanding that if
    you infringe upon the life of another in a negative way, you will be held
    accountable.
         Your response to me disproved nothing.  It just posed more questions
    and opened up the privacy issue further.

    Message: 74998
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: NEW TIMES
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 00:26:37

         Undoubtably, some of you may have read the article in the newest issue
    of New Times concerning postering in downtown Phoenix.  I disavow any
    knowledge of these activities.  I am not, nor have ever been, a founding
    member of the Partnership for a Thought Free Amerika (one of the postering
    groups).  This has been a recording.

    Message: 74999
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: price wars
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:36:47

     I watch the Pepsi war closely. It's or beverage of choice (probably hooked
    on the caffiene), so we buy when the good sales come up, usually around
    holidays.

    Message: 75000
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: privacy
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:52:03

     What Peter Petriko, Paul Harris and some others still fail to accept is the
    fact that one of the first things that happens when one ingests a
    mind-altering drug is that all inhibitions are removed, and an otherwise
    "responsible" person is changed to one partially or totally irresponsible.
     I don't see too many people driving down the freeways of or fair city while
    they are smoking up, shooting up or popping pills. These things are most
    generally done in the privacy of their own homes, or the homes of friends,
    or wherever, in private. AFTER they have consumed the poison, and AFTER
    their inhibitions, conscience or whatever you want to call it have been
    reduced or removed, THEN they forget that their reactions, etc. have been
    impaired to a point beyond anything resembling public safety.
     As I said in a previous post, back in my heavy drinking days, nobody, and I
    mean NOBODY! could tell me that I couldn't drive as well drunk as I could
    sober. People under the influence of any chemical, be it alcohol, marijuana,
    cocaine or glue, have lost touch with reality and are incapable of acting in
    a responsible manner. The naked truth is as simple as that.

    Message: 75001
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Peter/last
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:53:08

    Are there any depictions of palm tree tops on those posters?
    (smile)

    Message: 75002
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: News Today
    Subject: 75000!
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:19:20

    Did anyone else notice that our own dear Pauley posted message number 75000
    here on the Public Bulletin Board?  Something of a milestone I'd say.  The
    number, that is.  Paul's something of a millstone.

    Message: 75003
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Cliff/Amber monitor
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:48:57

    Would that possibly come with the cable?

    Message: 75004
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/Genesis
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:57:42

         I have no disagreement with you on the dangers of theorizing too much
    on those things of which the Bible is silent about. But the question is, is
    the Bible silent in this question? I feel that the answer is 'no,' and that
    it speaks quite clearly in Genesis 3:20... "Now the man called his wife's
    name Eve, because she was the mother of all [the] living." (NAS)

    Message: 75005
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Amber monitor
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 08:42:48

            Amber Monitor... with an 'Atari' type cable?  If I can find one in
    my cable box that will fit...sure.  Best if one would bring over their
    computer system (Atari/Commodore or whatever)... Making sure I supplied
    correct cable.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    P.S.  I do really believe I have the correct cable.

    Message: 75006
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Bill B on 75000
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 08:48:31

    Not only today did Paul Savage post message 75,000 ...
    Funky Alf was Apollo's 160,000 caller...

    Message: 75007
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: hmm..
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 10:22:14

    ...maybe would should all watch Reefer Madness again just to refresh
    ourselves...
    Am I to assume that you were strictly a drinker? If that is the case, then I
    can understand your blatant incorrect generalities. Due to, shall we say,
    the slime that I am related to on one side of the family, I have had plenty
    of opportunity to observe people who have been drinking, people who have
    been smoking pot and people who have been doing other drugs, and the truth
    is (as much as many of the more conservative scions hate to admit) that
    alcohol is one of the worst drugs in common use.

    Message: 75008
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/correct cable
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:37:55

    Just because you believe you have the correct cable does not necessarly mean
    that you have it.  Believing something does not make it true.  (smile)

    Message: 75009
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/drugs
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:44:39

    If it weren't for the cocaine plant and the Columbian coffee bean then you'd
    be %#$@ out of luck trying to find a Pepsi, Coke or any cola drink.

    I think you need a good hit of LSD in order to loosen up that mind of yours.
    Then you'd see first hand that what you are preaching about mind altering
    drugs is so much bunk.

    And that coffee bean you partake of on a regular basis was once the
    'cocaine' of a past period.  Through injestion by ancestors it has not
    only been accepted but more of it is needed in order to give the user the
    same 'high' he once enjoyed.  From my experience caffeine is the most mind
    altering drug next to alcohol.  And you partake of both while giving no
    slack to those who have milder tastes.

    You read and believe too much propaganda.

                                            Rod

    Message: 75010
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl -laws?
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:46:38

    You mention "Old Testament laws" in a previous message.  You indicate that
    there had come a time when the population was sufficient for mating with a
    distant cousin rather than immediate family.  How could you call it a law?
    I call it a happening.  And by the way, welcome.

                                    Rod

    Message: 75011
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Head Quasar
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:47:49

    I heard a story last week that McDonalds tried out a new, part seaweed
    burger on the people of San Francisco, sans notice.  There were no
    complaints. Then it was announced to the public that what they were eating
    consisted of part plant material.  Complaints started coming in.

    And that is why I said something good about them.  Plants, if prepared
    well give one's body better replacement building blocks.  With plants for
    new material, our atomic structure will be better knit, lighter and will be
    able to leap tall buildings at a single bound.

    Intaking greasy flesh into oneself is like putting 50 weight oil in your
    Mercedes crankcase.  The blood thickens and runs more slowly and globs of
    fat are carousing thoughout the brain.  This is your brain on fat:
            (picture of a Hippopotamus licking an ice cream cone with
             four empty Domino's Pizza boxes at his feet.)

    I'd like to hear what your roommate has to say about Communism, being from
    Europe and all.                   Rod

    Message: 75012
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro/drugs
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:48:34

    Drug Legalization?  But plants belong to all.  There are a great many uses
    for plants.  If not for plants the human animal would be even more lacking
    as a species.

    Our freedoms have been usurped, taken away from us by those who have no
    right to do so.  In common law all plants are legal.  No group of people can
    tell another group what plants they can or cannot cultivate.

    A person can go out to a cow pasture and point blank kill a bull, cut off
    a hunk of flesh and eat it.  That is legal.  Of course you have to have a
    license.  What if those cows and bulls ate a pasture of hemp plants, (it
    grows all over tarnation.) and then you ate parts of its flesh.  Would you
    feel more relaxed all of a sudden or do you think that the THC would be too
    weak to notice?

    There has never been a death attributed to the use of hemp except for being
    hanged by a rope made of that substance.

    I the early days of this country, someone discovered, among many other
    things, the coffee bean.  In those wild and wooly days plants were not
    forbidden but were used by the people.  Sometimes a hemp sandwich was the
    only thing they had to eat.  Imagine the first people to discover the
    poppies.  They must have slept for days and when they awoke not a nerve end
    was frayed in their entire body.  They had all healed.

    Message: 75013
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Apro 2/2
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:49:17

    The human race has survived, albeit rather poorly.  If I were wrong on
    this last point (poorly) then why do wars happen?  Mankind is a dink.  I
    wouldn't go so far as to say that the human animal has achieved greatness of
    any sort.  A cruel animal can not be great, only infamous.  As long as one
    person on this globe suffers from the wrongful act of another then we have
    nothing to really crow about.  It simply means that we still are weak.

    Entire nations of humans are being controlled by self-servers.  And they do
    not want to change, to join the masses in middle class poverty.  No, they
    want to continue being able to go around the world on a whim, I can't
    really blame them.  It's all they know.  The Prince and the Pauper book by
    Mark Twain would be a good example of what it is like to be in the ruling
    class then unexpectedly being thrust into the working masses.

    When man recognizes the rights of his brother man then will the human
    animal be within the reach of greatness.

                                            Rod

    Message: 75014
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 12:26:22

    Needless to say, Renata and her parents hate communism.  Stop by sometime
    and she'll tell you about it.

    I think you're oversimplifying the issue of foods based on animal products
    vs foods based on plant products, but I don't feel like arguing about it
    since so few people take most of your views very seriously.

    Message: 75015
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:04:25

    Nice to have you back.
    Oh, I don't need to borrow your camera, by the way.

    Message: 75016
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Graduation!
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:05:31

    I finally did it!  Six years and 7,500 dollars in dept later, I have a BA
    degree in Theatre Arts.  Neat, eh?
    So, what am I going to do with my degree?  Frame it, I guess.

    Message: 75017
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:19:30

    Perhaps you could stage one of your stories somewhere.  The erotic
    ad-ventures of Mark A...

    Message: 75018
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Congratulations
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:40:17

    Congratulations, Melissa. It shows you can put up with all sorts of
    bureaucratic B.S. and still get the job done. Not a bad testimonial to have
    when going to work for a large, bureaucratic organization.

    Message: 75019
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod #75012
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 17:47:48

    If those cows and bulls ate a whole field of hemp plants, I
    would hope they'd be properly arrested by the authorities.
    Of course that would never happen in this country because
    here Bovinity is held to be above mortal law.  Hence the
    phrase: HOLY COW!

    Message: 75020
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: congrats...
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:15:10

    ...are in order, MD... Quite a day, eh?

    Message: 75021
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Head / views
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:55:56

    I take some of them seriously.  Yeah, I'd like to stop over and talk
    although I can pretty much figure what she'd say.  There has never been a
    Communist country in this world, only ones who call themselves that.

    In each large country there are rulers.  Some take advantage of its working
    class more than others.  I think in Russia the rulers promised Communism but
    that was just the 'plum' to get the people to put up with barely enough to
    survive.

    In this country the rulers keep slicing off a bit more for themselves.  I
    wonder when the last straw will be placed on the camel's back?

    Message: 75022
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:58:02

    I heard that Burger King was going to sign a contract with a group of
    farmers that would provide that all cows be hemp fed from birth.  It seems
    that BK would like to put more smiles on people's faces.

    Message: 75023
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa/degree
    Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:59:01

    Good going.  Go for it all.  Live.

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