### Apollo BBS Archive - June 3, 1989

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    Message: 5582
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 03:58:23

    You'll have to get wasted without me. Sorry.

    Message: 5583
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 13:29:17

    I was so looking foward to the GT, but company showed unexpeted.
    I want to Cry.  Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo.
                    Ralph

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    Message: 3137
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: JT/Gods gift
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 08:18:13

    Well -- you'll have to prove it fellow! Are you a pencil person or a coke
    bottle? A hot dog or a stuffed sausage? One green bean or a giant cucumber?
    A small mini lighter or a huge Bic? Just put a check after the right
    discription. -=*) ANN (*=-

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    Message: 59018
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: B-day GT
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 03:56:04

    So when is it? I will contribute $20 to fly JT in for the occasion.

    Message: 59019
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: B-day GT
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 07:53:44

    I will also contribute $20 for JT's plane ticket. Lets make this a great GT
    bash to equal no other! I will also bake the cake! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59020
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff & Dean
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 08:13:08

    Both of you are making some good points in your posts of Rep. & Libs. I
    agree with the statement Dean made that if the Libs. got their foot in the
    door, the Rep. & Dem. would preform better. Cliff: I too do not go along
    with all the Libertarians have to say, but it beats the heck out of what
    we've got so far - or I should say, what the two parties have become! They
    whittle away at what little freedoms we have left. I like the idea that a
    party could come along that would restore a lot of those freedoms and more!
    I've always believed the people ought to have control over their own lives
    and keep the politicians noses out of our business as much as possible.
    Whether the Libs. will indeed keep this promice remains to be seen, but I'm
    certainly for giving them a chance.
    Re: the border - (Mex.) I believe it should be open, wide open. Most of the
    jobs we do give the Mexcans, Americans wouldn't take, don't want to begin
    with. They ought to get fair wages and pay income tax like the rest of us.
    They also should be checked health wise. If I'm not mistaken, that is the
    policy toward the immigrents anyway and always has been. As it is, we let so
    few in and have a 'wet back' problem that we arn't controling and do get the
    dregs of that society. Being a person that has lived in several rural
    communities, I can say with truth that we treat these illegal aliens like
    scum most of the time. We give out animals better housing and facilities. If
    they were tax payers, I think a lot of that would stop because the way it
    is now, we've got them by the 'Cajones' because they are illegal and that
    seems to give some people the license to be cruel. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59021
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last/Ann
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 12:14:34

            Do you have your head screwed on straight?  You said"We should let
    them all in but they should pay income TAXes."  ??   I thought the
    Libertarians were going to do away with Income Taxes!?
            I still do not want the boarders wide open to let the criminal
    element and other scum in.  Why would we want a system that did not collect
    income taxes to be burdened down by handicapped and the sick pouring in so
    we would have to care for them.  This is what I mean about Libertarians,
    they have bleeding hearts, and feel we can feed the world and maintain low
    or no taxes, and yet have money for roads and national defence.  Yet, they
    fail to say how to do this to my satisfaction.  They mumble somthing about
    there being a lot of ways to raise money???  (Maybe they mean print it)?

            As for open boarders, I want screening of immigrants so that we do
    let in ones that contribute to society and have usefull skills.  I do
    remember this country was founded with immigrants.
            Ann, Re Cuba:  Look what trash Fidel Castro sent over to burden our
    society with.  This is what a 'Wide Open Border' would do to us.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59022
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Happy Birthday to...
    Subject: Apollo?
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 12:17:31

            This happends at the end of July.....    And I think it is great we
    have a few users so far willing to chip in and have old J.T. flown in. Is
    there anyone else?  Who would be willing to put him up for the night or two?

            Okay Ann... you are the official Cake Baker of the 1989 Apollo B-Day
    GT!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59023
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bush's ban
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 13:20:40

            Though I do not agree with his ban on assult weapons, I can see the
    great pressure he is under.  The Ban of IMPORTED assault weapons should not
    have affected Colt...but somehow it has.  I am more dissapointed with Colt
    than I am with Bush.  I am referring to Colt's decision to abandon the AR15.

            The reason I did not answer Dean was I will not get into the name
    calling debate.  I am a Republican and there are many good Republicans and
    there are Bad Republicans.  I can say this about ANY party, including the
    Democrats.  A party does not make you sinless and pure just like it does not
    make you a hardened criminal.  We ALL have human weakness.  Dean feels this
    does not apply to Libertarians however, as they are all white washed in
    purity.

            Seems to me Hitler's party fell into this category at first.
    (They promised the world as well...)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    I am sure there are good Libertarians too... Just did not want you to think
    I was attacking ALL or ANYONE in particular.

    Message: 59024
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 14:00:23

      So, it was ok for Bush to do something wrong and stupid because he was put
    under pressure to do it. So, Cliff is too much above name-calling to address
    the complicity of Republicans in expanding government and trampling freedom,
    but he can pause to draw a silly comparison between Hilter and the
    Libertarian Party. He seems to be grasping for straws all over the spectrum
    here since he made just as silly a remark a few messages back about
    Libertarians expecting him to feed and care for anyone who came into the
    country. Bleeding-Heart Nazis, it has a nice ring to it I guess.
       Dream on Cliff,
         Dean H.

    Message: 59025
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 14:05:41

    Hitler was a socialist.

    Message: 59026
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 26 ways to say no
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 14:11:28

     1. Put up anti-racist stickers.
     2. Talk to your friends & get them involved.
     3. Stamp out racist graffiti.  Cover up swastikas & white power slogans
        with anti-Nazi messages.
     4. Know your local Nazis -- find out all you can: who they are, who they
        know, where & when they hang out, what they do.
     5. Make your own anti-racist stickers & flyers & put them up.
     6. Talk to people where you hang out: stores, clubs, schools, parks.
     7. Speak your mind about things you hear: racist, sexist, & anti-gay
        jokes, songs, & namecalling.
     8. Distribute John Brown's newspaper & other literature.
     9. Write articles for a school or neighborhood newspaper -- or start
        your own anti-Nazi newspaper or zine!
    10. Speak out against racist, sexist, & anti-gay TV shows, movies,
        textbooks in school, advertisements.
    11. Learn about Black Liberation, Women's Liberation, Gay Liberation.
        There are good books, magazines, movies, & videos you can check out.
    12. Join & support groups & projects against racism, against apartheid,
        against U.S. intervention in Central America, against nuclear arms.
    13. Have a John Brown speaker, video, or film presentation at your house,
        school, club, church.
    14. Talk to the media -- call & write newspapers, radio & TV stations.
    15. Call talk shows.
    16. Talk to bands.  They can write songs, they can speak out onstage, & they
        travel, so they can check out what's going on in different cities.
    17. Support anti-racist, anti-sexist bands, zines, & artists.
    18. Boycott clubs that tolerate racism.
    19. If you see or hear racist bands, records, tapes, complain to the club
        or the store.  Let us know too.
    20. Keep your eye out for racist leaflets & magazines.  If you can, send
        them to us & let us know where you found them.
    21. Join & support groups & projects for human rights, for peace, for a
        healthy environment.
    22. Defend human rights -- tell people what you think when unfair shit goes
        down.
    23. Tell the neighborhood what you think with flyers, posters, & spraypaint.
    24. Write to us: John Brown Anti-Klan Committee, 220 9th Street #443,
        San Francisco, CA 94103.
    25. Call the Anti-Racist Hotline to report Klan & Nazi organizing in your
        area: (415) 431-8339.
    26. Send us your ideas and we'll add them to the list!

    Message: 59028
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: B-Day/JT
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 14:25:35

    What if they only raise enough money to fly JT in, but not for him to
    depart?

    Message: 59029
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/fly
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 15:07:05

            I can get JT a ticket to Phoenix, round-trip, on the Grace L.
    Fergensen Airline and Storm Door Company plane.  It's only $46. each way.

    Message: 59030
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Holland
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 15:17:34

            Cliff, I don't see what problem you are having about the liberties
    that are enjoyed by the people in that country.  A citizen can do whatever
    they want as long as it does not interfere with anothers rights.
            There is a section in Amsterdam where drugs are legal.  One cannot
    go anywhere and roll a joint but they have their area.
            Prostitution is legal and state run.  The women are checked out
    medically.  Here in the U.S., except for a county in Nevada, prostitution
    is illegal but from what is known for a fact, it flourishes.  The girls are
    not checked out and deseases are being spread at an alarming rate.
            If you are a homosexual in Holland you can get married.
            If you have a terminal illness in Holland you can ask for and
    receive an injection.

            They have freedoms that only I can dream about.  If we had such
    freedoms, I would not go to a prostitue, I would not marry another man, I
    would not use drugs with the exception of an occasional joint and I might
    get a injection if I deemed it necessary.  I would rather die quickly than
    suffer, as some I know have, for several years.  What is a 'few seconds'
    more of life when it comes to being in constant pain?  You, I and everyone I
    now know will be physically dead is relatively short order anyway.  I think
    it should be a legal option as the state has no right to control your very
    personal life.
    next

    Message: 59031
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: continued
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 15:30:14

            In reality, I belong to no political party.  I belong to the human
    race and when I see a fairly struggling, unhappy population then that tells
    me that something needs changing.  Since it is the elected politician who
    controls the population I feel that the Libertarian standpoint is the
    closest to allowing citizens to have more personal freedoms than any of the
    others.  In fact the other parties do not even allude to allowing more
    personal freedoms.  Only the Libertarians do this.
            In Holland, during the last legislative vote that dealt with the
    freedom of homosexuals to marry, the majority favored it while the Christian
    Minority voted against it.  Yes, even there it is the Christians who feel
    that personal freedoms should be restricted.  Isn't that odd?  It's the same
    way here.
            Even though studies by competent organizations, such as the Cato
    Institution, recommend that personal freedoms be given to citizens,
    including the legalization of all drugs, the Christian Majority in this
    country basically say, "Over My Dead Body."  They, it seems, cannot see past
    the end of their noses.  And if and when this country is laying in ruins
    from economic collapse, caused by drugs being illegal and overpopulated
    prisons, at $20,000 per year per inmate, then don't blame those who had the
    foresight to see how Holland handled itself.
            The country is doing well, both economically and socially.  They
    don't have the rapes, robberies or murders that we have here.  And the only
    reason is that their politicians had the foresight to recognize that each
    individual has the right to do with their bodies as THEY see fit.   Rod

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