### Apollo BBS Archive - May 10 - 17, 1998

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            DRUGS....Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana ond others...

    [A] The WAR on drugs should be kept, as DRUGS should be illegal for
        purchase or personal use. (Medical reasons not included)

    [B] DRUGS for personal use should be legal and available to anyone
        who falls into reasoable guide lines such as AGE requierments.

    [C] Non of the above.

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    Message: 791
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 15:43:21

    My my...  you folks just don't know how talented Ann is with a mouse.  She
    can draw ANYTHING on a computer screen.

    I know; I've seen some of her work.  Ho ho ho!

    Message: 792
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/ BB
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 05:03:56

    Ann, when I entered that message to you it was the first time I had been on
    this BBS in almost a week, I've been ill. Also I use the JN function for
    reading the messages. The Creative Corner comes before Public board. So I
    read the whole story later, after I had posted my message to you.

                                            <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 793
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Joe/last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 07:21:08

    Sorry to hear you been sick. Certainly hope your better now. I assumed
    everyone read the BB first. I do and then use the JN. Anyway - now you know
    the whole sad story of the doggy picture. Tomorrow, I'm 'springing' the
    little guy anyway. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 794
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd - thanks
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 07:22:20

    (Blush) Wow, that was some compliment! Made me feel real good. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 795
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JN
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 22:02:23

    Just in case you didn't know, you can type $C right from the Main Menu
    prompt.  That's why I usually read the main board first, but when I have
    mail I JN out of the post office and get to the main board last.

    Message: 796
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 04:20:34

    Gosh, Dave, is that how you do it? I'll start doing it that way from now on
    so I can be just like you.

    Message: 797
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 08:06:53

      Also, when JN gives you a message telling you that there aren't any more
    new messages, you can log off from the which sig prompt by entering 'G',
    sort of a "oodbye" sig.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

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    Message: 636
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last on Vic 20
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:30:19

    It's not a PEEK, but a POKE to CHANGE colors...
    POKE 646,X (set current color code)
    POKE 36879,X (set screen and border color)
    X = the color combo....  Example POKE 36879,14 would give you a blue border
    and a black screen.

    I hope that answers your question Rod.

    SYSOP Cliff

    Should I open this SIG to Commodore users .....  make it an ATari/Commodore
    SIG ?  I think it would liven things up a bit.

    Message: 637
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 17:46:00

    What all does the UIS do?  And are you going to wear your elf outfit?

    Message: 638
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: This Sig
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 22:51:55

    Cliff,

       If you want this sig to be more successful, you need to open it up to ALL
    ST owners....not just the Status ones.  We have a very successful ST BBS in
    town....too successful sometimes.  It's hard to get on it.  We've been
    looking around for another BBS for us ST users to 'chat' on when ST Base is
    busy, but this one's been ruled out by most users because of the $TATUS.

       Don't get me wrong, I don't mind paying my $10 per year.  I get more than
    my money's worth out of the whole BBS, but many people don't feel the same.

       BTW, it wouldn't hurt you to stop by ST Base on occassion.  We are
    supported by NO store (we support any store that supports the ST).  There is
    a lot of our users that don't know about you....even though Alan and James
    try to give you 'plugs' on occasion.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 639
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Lloyd
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 23:52:47

    If I did that Lloyd, I would have to do the same for ALL the computers and
    SIGs, Or it would be unfair.  I could care less about the people that are
    too cheap to spend 10 bucks and think I should foot a 70.00 a month phone
    bill for their entertainment.  I do NOT wish to be an ST board....
    We got pleanty of single type boards around for that...
    I am not supported by a STORE either...   I paid for the hardware and I pay
    all the bills...
    If you are not a $tatus member... you are all equal in that you can only use
    the Main (PUB) board and the ost office.
            And if you think I write the expense off for advertizment... WRONG!

    The point I was making is that there are members that CONTRIBUTE nothing.

    I am glad the ST users ruled out Apollo for their CHAT board...  I am too
    busy to handle a special interest group... it would hurt Apollo

    The fee keeps the free loaders and trash off....  I like that!
    Cliff (SYSOP of the OLDEST full time board...and proud of it)

    Message: 640
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ST Boards
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 00:10:13

            I thank A-L-A-N and James for the plugs...  But after the trouble I
    got in with Atari from Computer Works complaints of how I used BBS's, I have
    no intention of logging on any ST Base system...

    Message: 641
    Author: $ Ken Riggs
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ST and TRS
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 09:06:50

    Cliff...

      How about the TRS sig? There is no message in TRS sig today while the ST
    sig has about ten messages. So why are you removing the ST sig and not
    removing the TRS sig. I think it's not fair. My protest still stands!

      I have been logging on your board for years and you never do mine.
                                      Ken

    Message: 642
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ken....
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 10:59:04

            Wow.... a post!!!   (Just kidding)
            I have been on your OLD BBS long ago....  But with a promise to
    Atari, I stay off all ATARI BBS's and only advertize to my MEMBERS on my
    PRIVATE SIG.
            Feel free to plug my store if you wish......  (hint)
    Thanks for your letter.... I think I will reprint it here:
    Mail from Ken Riggs
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 08:57:21

    [A]bort, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

    Cliff...

      I have an access to both sigs but from what I have seen, the TRS sig may
    be more active BUT not that much. Vic-20 should go to Commodore Sig. I think
    Atari sig should stay there. Why remove the sigs if they aren't busy but you
    never know that they may be very busy. If I were you, I won't remove a sig
    for any reason unless there isn't a message in a sig for a whole year.
                                         Ken
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    Message: 643
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Atari ST "PENICILN"
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 22:38:48

    It seems simple enough that if the author provided the source code as well
    as the object file, that some unscrupulous person could tamper with the
    program, making it appear to work, while actually doing far more damage.

    Message: 644
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Hardware
    Subject: SX-212
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 22:41:58

    Has anyone else purchased one of these modems? So far, I have nothing but
    praise for it. Being an 8-bit Atari user (a member of an endangered species)
    I bought this modem as a means of getting 1200 baud capability and Hayes-
    compatibility without having to shell out the extra bucks for an 850, or
    other unreliable third-party RS-232 interface. If there is anyone interested
    in a copy of 850 Express that will operate with the SX through the SIO, then
    go to the ibrary and read the descriptions of SXINIT.COM and EXPRESS.850.
    PS: Are there any other 8-bitters out there? Perhaps *WE* can get this board
    going.

    Message: 645
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Software
    Subject: Viruses
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 07:46:33

        That is a problem -- an altered version of a protector program that is
    in actuality a virus itself.
        Something I'm going to tinker with a bit is a protector program.  This
    would capture the sector r/w command as well as the functions to get
    supervisor status.  By controling those, it would seem that you could keep
    damaging access to the disk from happening.  Since you have to be in
    supervisor mode to access the i/o registers, you could even control direct
    access to the disk drive.  The main failing I see with this apporoach is
    that the protector itself could be modifyed by a malevolent program.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 646
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A rumor?
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 16:09:40

            I heard from a large supplier in California that Atari is not
    shipping anymore 1040 ST computers.   This is brought about because of a
    lack of low cost RAM chips.

            Also...  (not checked out yet) is that Atari is making you buy the
    Atari LASER printer if you wish to buy the MEGA Computer...

            I wonder how Atari stays in business...  I know they have not let me
    buy drives if I did not buy the 8 BIT computer that went with it.
    Atari wanted me to buy it on a one to one basis, and that is stupid.
    What would I do with all those 8 bitters...  The people that wanted the
    drives ALREADY had their 8 bitter....

    SYSOP Cliff

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    Message: 1286
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Astrology
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 20:31:25

       With all of the talk about Astrology recently, I thought that I'd post
    the Horoscope's for each sign.  That way you an understand what's going on.

       AQUARIUS - You have an inventive mind and are inclined to be progressive.
     You lie a great deal.  On the other hand, you are inclined to be careless
    and impractical, causing you to make the same mistakes repeatedly.  Everyone
    thinks taht you are a fucking jerk.

       PISCES - You have a vivid imagination and often think that you are being
    followed by the FBI or CIA.  You have a minor influence over your friends
    and people resent you for flaunting your power.  You lack confidence and are
    generally a coward.  Pisces people screw small animals and pick their noses
    a lot.

       ARIES - You are the pioneer type and will probably be the first person in
    your class to catch AIDS.  You also hold most people in contempt.  You are
    quick tempered, impatient adn scornful of advice.  You are a prick.

       TAURUS - You are practical and persistent.  You have a dogged
    determination and work like hell.  Most people think that you are stubborn
    and bull-headed.  You are nothing but a goddamn Communist.

    Message: 1287
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 20:37:45

       GEMINI - You are a quick and intellegent thinker.  People like you
    because you are a bi-sexual.  However, you are inclined to expect too much
    for too little.  This means you are a cheap bastard.  Geminis are notorious
    for thriving on incest.

       CANCER - You are sympathetic and understanding to other people's
    problems.  They think you are a sucker.  You are always putting things off.
    That is why you will always be on welfare and never be worth a shit.

       LEO - You consider yourself a born leader.  Others think that you are
    pushy.  Most Leos are bullys.  You are vain and cannot tolerate honest
    critcism.  Your arrogance is disgusting.  Leo people are thieving bastards
    and kiss mirrors a lot.

       VIRGO - You are the logical type and hate disorder.  This nit-picking is
    sickening to your friends.  You are cold and unemotional and often fall
    asleep while screwing.  Virgos make good bus drivers or pimps.

       LIBRA - You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with reality.
    If you are a male, you are probably queer.  Chances for employment and
    monetary gain are excellent.  Most Libra women are whores.  All Libras die
    fo verneral disease.

    Message: 1288
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 20:41:09

       SCORPIO - You are shrewd in business and cannot be trusted.  You shall
    achieve the pinnacle of success because of your total lack of ethics.  You
    are a perfect son-of-a-bitch.  Most Scorpios are murdered.

       SAGITTARIUS - You are optimistic and enthusiastic.  You have a reckless
    tendency to rely on luck since you have no talent.  The majority of
    Sagitarians are drunks or pot heads.  People laugh at you a lot becasuse
    you're always getting fucked.

       CAPRICORN - You are conservative and afraid of taking risks.  You are
    basically chicken-shit.  There has never been a Capricorn of any importance.
    You should kill yourself.

    Message: 1289
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last/Last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 22:43:34

    Anyone got a good razor blade?

    Message: 1290
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Lloyd
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 23:00:47

    You got me pegged!

    Message: 1291
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: last/last
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 09:10:57

       Hey, what's a matter youse guys?  Don't you believe in Astrology like our
    great and glorious leader does?

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 1292
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 10:01:50

    Is Nancy Reagan your leader?

    Message: 1293
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Lloyd/last/last
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 10:42:44

    I'm still laughing over your astrology posts. I'm a Sagittarius and you
    discribed me to a tee. Man, do I GET IT!!! =*--ANN--*= - half man - half
    horse!

    Message: 1294
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last/last
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 17:12:13

            This is your resident PRICK speaking .........

    The reason that I haven't been on lately is that I have been sick and am
    having a hard time recovering.

    Catch you all later when I feel better.

    Message: 1295
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Sandy?
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 07:38:44

    You have a prick Sandy? My, my, you arn't what I thought! I guess you do
    have at least one point eh? Hahahahahaha =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. See you at the store today.

    Message: 1296
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 21:44:01

    Of course Sandy has a prick...  his name is Cliff!

    Oh...  excuse me.  I meant that Cliff is prickly, like a cactus.  Hope I
    didn't confuse anyone.

    Message: 1297
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Stupid BBS system
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 22:13:07

    On a BBS system here in San Diego, the Sysop had the program automatically
    check through the messages for certain profane words.  It's a nice idea, and
    it saves the Sysop work, but unfortunately a discussion on the reletive
    merits of the old Army .45 and the new Beretta 9 mm started, and everywhere
    someone mentioned how one had to "cock" the .45, it said "****".  But when
    the word "cocked" appeared, it was left alone.
    Computers aren't stupid, but relying on them too much is.

    Message: 1298
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 22:48:54

    Sounds pretty fucking stupid to me.  Dean McCarron tried something like that
    on his old "Omega" system (the only BBS ever run on a TRS-80 Model II).
    Nick Ianuzzi and I were entering many messages containing obscenities, and
    McCarron was too much of a wimp to delete them.  For a few weeks he just
    entered whiny messages asking us to stop, which of course we ignored.  So
    finally he modified his software to look for certain combinations of letters
    and change them to hyphens.  So, for instance, "Matsushita" would be changed
    to "Matsu----a."  Naturally, it was easy enough to work around this:  you
    could put spaces between the  f u c k i n g  letters, or periods, or s.h.i.t
    like that.  I even entered one message that spelled out the word "shit" in
    giant letters composed of smaller characters.  This feature only lasted a
    couple of days, after which McCarron kicked Nick and me off his system.
    (Incidentally, Nick and I were the only people who ever called Omega, except
    for a girl named Cheri Halloway, who was a creation of mine.  McCarron kept
    sending Cheri Halloway mail apologizing for my obscene messages directed
    against her, and even when she said she didn't mind, he continued
    apologizing.)  Boy, I sure do miss the good old days of innocent, childlike
    fun on the computer.

    Message: 1299
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Cliff - not me!
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 11:03:05

    Please note that I did not call you that awful name - but Todd Reese did. He
    needs to be put in the Phantom Zone for calling our dear sysop a bad name.
    You can put me in there with him and I'll set him stright. (heh heh!) ONLY
    joking - I never want to see what the Phantom Zone looks like. I'm a good
    girl! =*--ANN--*=

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    Message: 378
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 17:46:45

    Hold the peanut butter and jam on mine.

    Message: 379
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Sunday Morn
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 19:35:55

            Sandy and I eat breakfast (brunch most of the time) at Carrow's
    just east of the freeway on Bell Road.
            Would anyone want to meet over there at 8:00/8:30 to eat?
    It is not very exspensive.

    Cliff

    Message: 380
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Carrow's
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 21:09:55

    Carrow's is OK with me, but I think Denny's has better food. 8:30 in the
    morning is another matter, however. Couldn't we make it just a bit later?

    Someone should announce this event on the main board, that is, if want
    the teeming masses to witness this historical event.

    Forgive me for being nosy, but I was wondering if a payload had ever been
    decided on. Are we lofting a camera, or what?

    Message: 381
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Carrow's
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 21:29:08

            We like it, and it is cheaper...  I myself would pre-fer meeting at
    9:00 am, eating then the launch...  but we are being bullied by Jams

    Message: 382
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last few
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 21:49:01

    I just got done telling Todd Reese that it was at Denny's!  Arghhh..

    Ok, Carrows it is.

    As I have explained before, IT WILL be getting a little warm, and supposedly
    the wind picks up at the launch site at about 11-12.  If we did meet at 9,
    it would take an hour before we were ready to leave, then another half an
    hour to forty five minutes to get to the site.  Then half an hour before
    anything was ready to launch.  By this time we would be pretty close to
    noon.

    A couple of people are going to set up the launch pads early, so THAT will
    be done when we get there.

    We do need to leave Carrows by 9.  Ok?

    Message: 383
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 07:26:01

    Carrow's sounds good. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 384
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Carrow's
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 11:11:40

            Ok, Sandy and I will meet with anyone who wants to meet us at
    Carrow's at 9:00am for breakfast.  After we eat we will go out and launch
    the rockets.... no matter what the temp (wimps may want to stay home)
    I suggest you bring pleanty of drink.  I will bring one ice chest with SOME
    drinks.

    Recap:
            Sunday, Bell Road just East of freeway, at 9:00am May 15th, we will
    meet at Carrow's.  BE THERE on time if ya want to eat!

    Cliff

    Message: 385
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 14:56:37

    Yes, we are going to be using a 8mm movie camera.  I borrowed it from Pat
    Lamanuzzi, who will also be there.

    Message: 386
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 15:00:28

    Why so adamant about 9am?  I'm not exactly a morning person, but we do NEED
    to start early.  And when you mention, all wimps should stay home....  Why
    not just get up a little earlier so ALL people can attend?  We could always
    eat pastrami, peanut butter and jam sandwiches for breakfast at the launch
    site...

    Message: 387
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 15:44:27

    Okay, you guys go to the launch sight and eat your peanut butter and jam
    sandwiches, but Sandy and I WILL be having our breakfast at Carrows, as we
    do this every Sunday and we do enjoy it.  After we are done, we will mossy
    up to the launch sight (if we can find it) and watch.
            I am willing to have it earlier but people like Nick don't even open
    their eyes that early.  I picked 9:00 in hopes that most people could make
    it.

    Message: 388
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 23:10:25

    We can make it nine if you want.  But if when we get to the site, and the
    wind is over 10mph, we will have to scrub the launch.

    I am certainly not a morning person, I don't think I've been up by nine for
    at least a few months.  If a few people could get to Carrows earlier, we can
    be guaranteed a launch.

    But on another note, the rocket is FINISHED!  All painting, epoxying, etc is
    done.  The total weight is 12 pounds, with camera module, film and batteries
    included.

    This launch may also be written up in the Tripolitan (High power rocketry
    magazine.), so I had hoped to pull off a professional launch.

    Message: 389
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 02:20:22

    It seems that the big objection to meeting at 9:00 AM is the temperature
    problem, and possibly the winds. Has anyone given any thought to holding the
    launch late in the afternoon, when the sun is low in the sky? The sun sets
    at around 7:00 PM, so we could hold the launch at about 6:00 PM and have
    plenty of daylight and cooler temperatures. Sunday is not going to be as hot
    anyway.

    Message: 390
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST MANY
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 06:25:35

    I am logging in from DC.  I had hoped to find things SETTLED. Sheesh. It's
    only ONE DAMN DAY out of the year.  Cliff is showing an anal-compulsive
    streak, and Nick doesn't want to get up early.  Hawley has expressed a good
    reason for an early launch.  A late afternoon launch is, in my opinion, out
    of the question at this late date.  Too little notice. Too many people are
    expecting to be bombarded by flying bits of rocket in the morning.

    At least Head is reasonable, deciding to stay up all night.

    Me, I'll have just gotten back from DC the previous evening, but I am doing
    this so that I can be at the GT.

    STOP THIS SIMPERING AND LEAVE THE RESTAURANT BY 9:00 or RISK MISSING THE
    LAUNCH.

    A public service announcement from the East Coast.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 391
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 06:54:35

    Clap...Clap...Clap...

    I'm all for the morning launch too.

    Dean

    Message: 392
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Go for it
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 09:31:18

            We will not be there...so go for it at 6am if you wish...

    Good luck guys... I will see the film at 6pm... okay?

    Message: 393
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last few
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 14:00:53

    Things have sure turned out fine, haven't they?

    Nick it is too late at this moment to try to go for an evening launch.  And
    it will still be cooler at 9:30, than at 6pm.

    Having to make all these decisions is stressing this SIG a little.

    But, I am going with *MY* original time.  I'll be at Carrows at 8:00-8:15.
    And I'll be out of the parking lot by 9:00.  I'll leave general instructions
    on this SIG, so if you miss us you should be able to find the site.

    Lately I've been staying up until 5am, so if I can be up this early, I would
    think that ANY person that really wanted to see the launch could too.

    Message: 394
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: lAST
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 14:15:44

           If I get up in time to make the 8:00 am Carrows meeting, I will be
    there....  However, If I can't, do NOT wait for me...  I do not want Dog to
    think I am in an ANAL mood...???  I am satisfied with seeing it on film.
    Have fun!

    Cliff

    Message: 395
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Excuses
    Subject: Yes Matilda..
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 19:27:12

    There is an Azzwhore school, you just haven't attended it until you've
    been on this SIG.
    Lookit the Putz'z ...just like the three stooges, only it's four.
    The contributor's got shafted because one man had control of the money
    instead of the donors. But alls well, Matilda, we'll get to see the
    'footage',...that is, of course, if the cameraman finds the time to
    get there. Oops, that's right, he doesn't believe in time anyway.
    Perhaps we'll see the 8mm camera footage. Then again, lass, I went
    flying today and the thermals near the launch site are like rising
    bricks..so if they even find a scrap or two of this supersonic cardboard
    tube, It will be a miricle indeed if they find enough of the film to get
    it developed ..
    But Matilda, we're not proclaiming doom..we're forcasting it. 'Tis the
    same stuff silly horsepuckey nonsense NASA was pulling to make a few people
    happy a few years ago thats happening today. Universal constants and all.
    But cheer up, Lass, it'll be fun to watch at any rate. Perhaps next time
    we'll *** ORGANIZE *** a launch and vote out the old regime and build anew.

    Message: 396
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 19:33:10

    Sorry if I used too much common sense for ya Mike.  And *someone* had to
    organize it, or we'd STILL be arguing.  (Oops, we still are....)

    If you wish, I will mail you your $20 back.

    Message: 397
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Launch?
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 07:47:15

    Now I'm confused again. We were planning on meeting Sandy & Cliff at
    Carrow's at 9:AM for breakfast. Is it now 8:AM or what? Or will it be for
    dinner instead? I don't even know where the launch will be - figured I'd
    follow the crowd after breakfast. HELP! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 398
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: I just don't know
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 09:24:44

            From the mail I have been getting...  This is James's Rocket as we
    had no input on design and building.. ALL the decisions have been made for
    us including when we must be there for the launch.  Sandy and I are
    recovering from rather a bad cold and just are not sure if we can get up in
    time to see this thing...but since we don't feel part of the project...
    We frankly don't care.
            We will TRY to be at Carrows at around 8:00 / 8:15.  Maybe if we
    retire EARLY tonight, we can make it.  But again.... it is not my rocket,
    so it will be like getting up early to watch someone elses rocket...
    I think it belongs to James and his friend who is not even on this SIG.

    I just don't care at this moment....  I must be an ANAL somthing!

    Cliff

    P.s.  What color is it?  ( I have NOT seen it myself)

    Message: 399
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike (Fang) C.
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 10:23:34

            I do not think there will be a "NEXT TIME"......
    I had more to do with the Viking Mars lander then I have had to do with this
    project.  I am sure James ment well, but he does not understand the need for
    all feeling part of the project other than a Void in the wallet.
            Now that we see James is POWER hungry, we won't elect him to office
    again.
            Funny, I thought time and place was to be set up by Nick... what
    happened?
            Mike Carter was incharge of setting up the "Porta-Potty", I hope
    that comes off without a hich....

    Message: 400
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: my absence
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 14:10:42

    I probably won't be at Carrow's or the launch, but keep an eye on the
    horizon to the south for incoming surface-to-air and surface-to-surface
    missiles.

    Message: 401
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: CLIFF!
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 15:16:24

    Am I crazy, or didn't we start the building at YOUR house?  And I SUGGESTED
    that we have everyone meet at your house to help with ideas on building.
    And YOU said that you didn't want a BUNCH of people over at your house.  And
    your garage was willed with your 'Cuda.

    And YOU were in Montana when the rocket NEEDED to be built.  Was I supposed
    to fly up and ask you questions?

    *I* had to make decisions, otherwise the launch would be at high noon!  Do
    you have NO common sense?

    I will send YOU your money back if you don't attend.

    And NO, Pat Lamanuzzi isn't on this SIG.  But he very knowledgeable about
    high power rocketry, and he was NICE enough to help out.  He is helping out
    with the launch site, the payload section (camera), launching equipment,
    tracking equipment, help on acquiring the B Class engine, and a few other
    things.  He has been very gracious with his help.

    And it is EVERYONES rocket.  It is fluorescent orange, with black fins.

    Message: 402
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 15:17:17

    My post was correct.  We will LEAVE Carrows by 9am.  If you want to eat, try
    to be there by 8:15.

    Message: 403
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: My House...
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 15:45:03

            Yes, I could not hold the meeting at my house since I was working on
    my Cuda and getting ready (putting shell on my truck, carpeting...etc.)
    I was for a meeting on design however... but that could have been held at
    anyones house or even at Carrows/Bob's Big Boy (Now J.B.'s).
            I cut out a "ring"....  WOW!   It took you two weeks to decide to
    pick them up...  in short...there was no way I could work on the rocket
    since you wanted to build it while I was in Montana.
    Anything Ianuzzi suggested...No good according to James...
    Anything Mike suggested......   Ditto....

            I do not need my money back James...even though it looks like
    I won't be there.  Ann was just here for a Hard Drive and does not think she
    will make it either...  But if a LARGE group showes up at Carrows, I will
    follew them out.... other than that, I will go home and back to bed!
    Cliff

    Message: 404
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: GT
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 18:50:02

    I just talked with Ann, and she doesn't want to drive to Carrows, then have
    to drive all the way back to the launch site.  She is just coming for the
    launch.  If anyone else wants to do the same, they can meet us at 123rd ave
    and Bell (Dysart road and Bell), between 9:30-10:00am.  There should be some
    kind of markers, perhaps some little orange cones pointing the way to the
    site.

    Message: 405
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 21:01:10

    Do you suppose we could get together in the evening to view the tape of the
    launch?

    Message: 406
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: ????
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 21:14:59

            I am really confused....  Sandy and I will still be at Carrows.
    The more I log on here, the more it seems no one is coming, so it is not
    likely we will be at the big launch.

            Nick's idea of a "Film at 11 GT" sounds good to me... with a cold
    beer.

    Cliff

    Message: 407
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Holy heck!
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 21:55:08

    Well, this is all confusing, but here's what I get.  Those who want to eat
    breakfast will meet a Carrow's at 8:00-8:15, otherwise sometime around 9:am.
    Those who don't want to meet at Carrow's at all should show up at 123rd
    Avenue (Dysart road) and Bell around 9:30-10:00.  If will take a good hour
    to two hours after that before the rocket is flying - by that time it will
    be good and hot, so we'll all melt way out in the middle of BFE, and Jams
    will get out a straw and slurp us all up, just as he had planned to long
    ago.

    I'm going to go anyway, just so I can see Ann's naked body.

    I'll be bringing a camara for snaps of those who do manage to make it.

    Message: 408
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Naked Body?
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 23:42:34

            I will be there!!!!

            But I think you do have the schedule down just fine Todd...
    Lets Vote on it for the next week... (just kidding)

            So far... Todd and James are going...  Dog is going if his ship
    arrives....  Sandy and I will be there if we wake up and feed our faces at
    Carrows in time...  Rod?   Naaaa he never arrives on time.  Nick sleeps all
    day, so he won't be there.  Dean will run out of gas one mile from home.
    Mike Carter plays Army whenever we are going to launch REAL rockets.  Ann
    will be lost in a SUBdirectory somewhere on her new hard drive. Michael will
    be getting a ticket with Nikki's motor scooter for speeding.

            Just like NASA... organized!

    Message: 409
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 05:37:35

    Rod is coming with me, so at least *he'll* be on time.

    Message: 410
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Rockets
    Subject: The Apollo II
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 12:32:34

            The big Apollo II rocket spun out of control 20 feet off the pad.
    The flight lasted 9.5 seconds before crashing into the desert floor breaking
    into many small parts.  The camera survived and will need only minor
    repair.  Film at 11 should prove quite interesting.
            The questions are, did the motor shift, or were the fins too small
    or too few for the rocket size, or was it too top heavy with the camera and
    recovery system?  Hopefully the film taken by Rod Williams and Ann Oudin
    will tell us the story.  No matter what, I think James Hawley will be Hung!
    Get a rope!
            Will the Apollo users fund an Apollo III?  Will Mike Carter bring
    the Porta-Potty next time so we may all hide inside?
            The turn out at Carrows was very good...  Thanks Gang!

            One final note, we had a hard time finding the launch sight because
    of poor instructions.... but it was a good one and I think it will work out
    fine for future launches.

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 411
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Bust!
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 16:28:26

            Pardon the fuck out of me... the "Film at 11 GT" was held already...
    I asked when I was at the launch, and was told it would be "Tonight"....
    But no one bothered to call me that it had been changed...  Geee, ya could
    have stopped by on your way back and told me of the change...
            Anyway... take the film and (you know the rest....)

    P.S.  The rocket looked real nice....  Workmanship was first rate on
    appearance...

    End of SIG membership for me...  I violated a rule!

    P.S.S.  I just joined Mark in the "Hawley for Ex-Friend Club"

    Message: 412
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 19:01:04

    Mr. Hawley is undoubtedly trying to win some sort of award for "most
    inconsiderate BBS user." I was the one who suggested that we get together
    after the launch and view the tape, but apparently Hawley thought that it
    wasn't necessary to invite me or Cliff. I've tried to restrain myself from
    angrily renouncing this as a one-sided event, but I now believe the writing
    is on the wall. There had better be some clear explanation for this.

    Message: 413
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last dozens
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 20:09:48

    James, while you're at it, why don't you refund everyone's money since
    there are only a few more to go on your little shit list.
    After that assinine response you can go shove your surrogate penis up your
    poop shute and then ignite it...it'll truly be a single orgasim GT all
    for you.

    Say bye bye to this SIG.
                            -FANG

    Message: 414
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: My thoughts
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 23:28:05

    Yes, there were poor instructions (I had thought we were going to meet on
    one corner of Dysart and Bell - imagine my surprize as I watch everyone turn
    the corner and head south as I'm sitting there in my truck).  Yes, it was
    irritating to find out that James had been given poor instructions to get to
    the launch site.  Yes, it was unfortunate that some people (for whatever
    reason) couldn't make it.  Yes, it was rather sad that we were only
    contributors to the event.  And of course, it was a big disappointment to
    see the rocket go crazy.

    However, there are some points to be considered.  Despite the poor
    instructions, everyone seemed to make it.  We all had a pleasant time
    visiting with one another while James got everything under control (which
    should be applauded - that part of it wasn't his fault, and he managed to
    get it all together quickly enough).  It's too bad that Mike and Nick
    couldn't make it, but we were all given plenty of advance notice.  Also, it
    was rather nice of James' rocket friends to take care of everything - they
    were all very friendly, and they gave us a chance to observe and socialize
    with each other.

    Yes, the rocket did go nuts and crash.  That's too bad, but it was a fun
    event anyway.  I don't feel cheated at all.  What's more, it's all on film,
    and we can all get together and view it many times in the future.

    Message: 415
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Film at 11
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 23:30:49

    I suggest we start making plans right now for the Film at 11 GT, with all
    the footage of today's launch.  I nominate Cliff to put it all together, so
    he'll feel like he's a part of it all.

    Message: 416
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Another Launch
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 23:34:02

    I'd also like to see a date/time/place put together for a small rocket GT.
    Those big rockets are nice, but expensive.  Let's do a GT where we each
    bring our own rocket(s) for launching.  We could even have a contest to see
    who comes up with the neatest rocket - and of course, Ann would be the
    judge; she knows all about shooting off rockets.

    What do you think?

    Message: 417
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Rockets
    Subject: Apollo II
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 02:18:15

    I viewed the tape at Rod's house last evening, and I noticed that there
    seems to be a small flash at the point that the rocket begins to spin. It
    could be a reflection, but then again, it could be those damn O-rings.

    The rocket looked great (that is, until just before it hit the ground), but
    I really wish I could have been included in the actual construction. I don't
    want my money back, but I hope that any future rocket GTs are more of a team
    effort.

    Message: 418
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: film at 11
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 09:45:27

    We should make a compilation tape of the important parts of previous
    launches and include the film to videotape conversion of this last one.
    The nosecone footage should be pretty spectacular and may offer some insight
    as to what went wrong.

    Future Rocket GTs should probably be held further away Luke.  Air Force
    bases have much more sophisticated radar and such than commercial airports.
    (I am told they have no trouble getting the altitude of a plane that does
    not have an altitude encoding transponder.)

    Message: 419
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: I agree...
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 11:15:06

    ... with Todd - there was some inconviences, but James did his best under
    the circumstances. I had lots of fun and to me the launch was not a failier
    because it went up in glory and came down in glory and it was truly a work
    of art. Why not patch up the friendships and forget about it. A rocket is
    not something that should create enemies over. The rocket people were very
    nice and friendly and I wish they would join Apollo.
    Now that it's all over, I'll put my clothes back on! Ta ta =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. Next time James, at least let me fondle the rocket before you shoot it
    off. OK? Would bring back memories of 'THANG'!

    Message: 420
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 18:23:29

    Your brain is out of control.

    At Carrows I said we would PROBABLY meet later that evening to see the
    tapes.

    You LEFT fairly quickly after the launch, without even asking when the tapes
    were going to be viewed.  Just what is you problem?  Are you having a
    hormonal disbalance, or what?  All the people that stayed more than 15
    minutes decided to go to Rods and look at the tapes.  We watched them a
    couple of times, and then I went home to get some sleep (I had only had 3
    hours of sleep!).

    When you called me yesterday asking when the tapes were going to be, I told
    you then that we had already viewed them.  I told you then why we had
    watched them.  Rod has his copy of the tape, and it is quite spectacular.
    I'm sure he'd be glad to show it to you.

    Message: 421
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 18:26:40

    I think your assessment of the launch is fairly accurate.  Pat had the wrong
    number for my pager, so that is why we had to wait around 45 minutes before
    we found the site.

    Perhaps this fall, we can have a small and medium sized rocket GT.  Since
    half the people think I'm the "Great Satan", perhaps you and someone else
    might want to set it up.

    Message: 422
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Final
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 18:29:43

    And finally I would like to thank everyone who came out to the GT.
    Especially those who contributed money, time and video cameras.  Perhaps
    someone can make a compilation tape of all the flights (Including the Gemini
    J-100 rocket) so that we can sit down and see all the destruction at once.

    The movie camera film should be back within a week or so, I will post when I
    get it.  Dean said he has a projector, so maybe we could have a GT some
    place and view all of them at once.

    Message: 423
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Naked Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 21:33:31

    Perhaps I should clarify something here.  When I said that I wanted to see
    Ann's naked body, what I really meant was that I would like to see her
    stipped of the distance between us.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    Message: 424
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 22:24:57

    Sure, Todd, sure.

    Message: 425
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: James
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 07:44:37

    You never did say if the film came out from my camera that the guy took of
    the launch? I'm curious because Beau made a statement about 'you are going
    to kill me'! See you =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 426
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 07:46:44

    You are so nasty and suggestive! Are all Morman football players like that?
    Ta ta =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. You'd better watch out - I'll get the Wesson Oil back out!

    Message: 427
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 14:42:01

    Please stop referring to videotape as "film", even though it is.

    Your videotape did not come out very well because Pat did not track the
    rocket as it flew off.  The film from the nosecone should be pretty
    interesting.

    Home of the Nuts Bulletin Board command:EC

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     1:        I analyzed the rocket tape and noticed an object coming from the
     2:Luke AFB area, it was a small missle that appeared to strike the Apollo
     3:Rocket thus deflecting it to the ground.
     4:        I will 'cut' tapes for anyone, anytime!
     5:                                Me
     6:P.S.  I had a good time.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 52108
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: the end
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:16:37

    As of today, I am finished with my undergraduate career.  What a relief.

    Message: 52109
    Author: Lawrence Wilson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Freedom or Slavery
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:56:21

    .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    $$$$                                                $$$$
    $$$$                Freeman or Slave                $$$$
    $$$$                  Mythbuster       Part 1       $$$$
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    .
       It is popular among our people to entertain the idea
    that we are a free people. We speak about our proud
    heritage and the freedoms secured by the blood of our
    Founding Fathers. We revel in the idea that our nation
    is the most prosperous on the earth. Prosperity is measured
    by the accumulation of toys and material comforts.
    Unfortunitely, for many people, social status comes
    before intellectual honesty. Today, our nation is largely
    inhabited by a people who consider social position more
    important than the survival of freedom in America. What
    about you, dear reader? Do you value wealth more than
    liberty? Do you prefer the tranquility of servitude to
    the aminating contest of freedom? Most people respond
    to these questions with an indignant remark about how
    they are as patriotic as the next man. All you indignant
    folks out there have been had !! While we struggle to
    make ends meet our government is busy selling us down
    the river, bigtime!

    Message: 52110
    Author: Lawrence Wilson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Freedom or Salvery 2
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:57:29

    +
       We spend 2.5 billion each year on our defense against
    the communist hordes of the east, but did you know that
    international communism is simple the
    ****
    **** military arm of the international banking
    **** cartel?
    ****
    Furthermore, that our Congress turned our nation over to
    the internationaist World Bank on October the 28th, 1984?
    "Preposterous !" you say, "We have a Constitution to
    protect us." Wrong! For over one-hundred years our nation
    has had TWO constitutions! That's right, TWO
    constitutions! As far as the courts are concerned by one
    of them you are free and by the other you are a slave.
    Your connections with government determine what class of
    citizen you are, what class of citizen you are, what
    rights and freedoms you have. By now, you may feel that
    this writer is a raving lunitic. Well then, don't believe
    ME, hear what the United States Supreme Court says!
       "The thirteenth amendment is a great extension of the
    powers of the national government. " United States v.
    Morris, 125 Federal Reporter, page 322, 325.

    Message: 52111
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 15:25:06

    So how many years of post-graduate work are you looking forward to?
    James>>>

    Message: 52112
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Letters
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 17:35:26

    Sirs:
      NBC is pleased to announce a hot new show, *50/50*.  A
    penetrating new investigative program that is half truth and
    half lies.
                                Grant Tinkler
                                *Vapid, Calif.*

    Sirs:
      Would someone please put in a new box of baking soda?
                                Walt Disney
                                *Frigidaire, Calif.*

    Sirs:
      I was just wondering, what do the French call the English
    Channel?
                                Some Twit in Brighton
                                *Brighton Beach, England*

    Sirs:
      What are these high-heeled sneekers your people sing
    about?
      I simply *must* have a hundred pairs.
                                Imelda Marcos
                                *Hawaii*

    Message: 52113
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Letters
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 17:40:56

    Sirs:
      Ya know, I gotta be honest with you guys.  The letters
    section has been looking kinda shabby lately - peeling,
    weather-beaten, and the painting's no good, you'll just have
    to do it again in a coupla years, right?  No, the only way
    to go is aluminum siding.  I can do the whole thing for just
    three hundred dollars down.  Our easy-term monthly payment
    plan is an easy-term monthly payment plan.  What could be
    simpler?
      Aluminum siding will not only protect and increase the
    resale value of your letters, but it will give them that
    nice "aluminum-sided look" that is so popular.
      I also got some nice men's watches.
                                Nick Franchesi
                                *Doubleknit, N.J.*

    Message: 52114
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James White
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 19:21:56

    Four years at UofA.

    Message: 52115
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 20:47:01

    Congratulations.

    Message: 52116
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dogs
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 20:47:10

    They should all be shot.

    Message: 52117
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ACLU News
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 20:50:49

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Tuesday, May 10, 1988

         The American Civil Liberties Foundation of Southern California has
    issued a challenge to campus newspaper policy at California State
    University, Northridge which requies students to submit all potentially
    controversially material for review prior to publication.
         A complaint seeking an injunction against the policy--which violates
    the California and United States Constitutions--was filed in Los Angeles
    Superior Court today on behalf of James Taranto, a CSUN student, who was
    suspended without pay from his editorial position on CSUN's Daily Sundial.
    Taranto republished a political cartoon from the University of California,
    Los Angeles' student newspaper, the Daily Bruin, that resulted in the
    temporary suspension of that paper's editor last year.  He also wrote a
    commentary which ran alongside the controversial cartoon.
         In announcing the lawsuit, ACLU/SC Communications Director Joel
    Maliniak declared that "university policies that abandon the First Amendment
    teach a dangerous lesson to students."
         Maliniak claimed that the ACLU is not stifled by last year's [sic]
    Supreme Court decision allowing a Missouri high school principal to censor
    the school's student newspaper.  He called that decision "an ominous sign
    that individual liberties are under seige and must be fought for."
         Paraphrasing Justice William Brennan's dissent in that decision
    Maliniak said "Instead of learning the values of free expresion and a free

    Message: 52118
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ACLU News
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 20:52:27

    press, students are taught the habits of censorship and learn to accommodate
    themselves to it."
         Taranto, 22, accused CSUN journalism department officials of "failing
    to practice what they preach."  He charged "the newspaper is a farce.  How
    can you teach classes about ethics and freedoms in one breath and suspend
    students from work on the newspaper because you don't agree with their
    political views in the next."
         "If Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson had studied journalism at CSUN,
    they probably would not have done too well," Maliniak added.
                                    ###

    Message: 52119
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drugs
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 20:59:40

    There are two ways to deal with the drug problem:  either legalize drugs or
    truly criminalize them.  Right now, drug users are treated as "victims" of
    unscrupulous "pushers," and dealers of dope are the targets of drug laws.
    This is politically popular:  drug dealers are the scum of the earth, so
    it's easy to call for a crackdown on them.  But it doesn't make economic
    sense:  when you increase the penalties and enforcement of drug dealers, you
    increase the risk of dealing drugs, and drive some dealers out of the
    market.  But because the supply of dealers is smaller, the increased risk is
    reflected in higher prices.  Drug-dealing may be more risky when it is
    illegal, but it is also more lucrative--so the incentive to keep dealing
    drugs increases anyway.  And, as prices for drugs go up, it becomes more and
    more necessary for addicts to steal to support their habits.  If law
    enforcement was to crack down on drug users, the demand for drugs would go
    down and dealers would find their profession less lucrative.  The problem
    with this is primarly political--people do not want more government control
    over their lives, and severe penalties for drug use would be unpopular with
    many people (especially since drug users are stilled viewed as "victims").
    Moreover, it could be prohibitively expensive to lock up drug users in
    prison.  Legalization, then, is the only reasonable alternative.  It might
    increase use somewhat, but it would lower dramatically other drug-related
    crimes.  (Have you ever heard of someone stealing to support a tobacco or
    alcohol habit?)  It would also make drug dealing a much less lucrative
    profession--no longer would small-time pushers be able to pull in big bucks
    because the competition would be too great.

    Message: 52120
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lawerence Wilson.
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 06:54:07

    Agree with your posts - but we've already talked that subject here.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52121
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 06:54:39

    Yes, congratulations too. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52122
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/drugs
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 07:17:12

    All drugs! Something like a liquor store and the price would have to be low.
    Of course, marijuana could be grown at home for personal use and it also
    should be sold at this place too because if not, then people would still be
    selling it to people that have no place to grow it! For the heroin user -
    clean, sterile needles and parfanalia could also be sold cheaply. The
    government could collect their taxes on all of it and a part of that could
    go into drug rehabilitation centers for those that want off the drugs - like
    they have for alcholics and media promotional warnings about the use of said
    drugs. The bottom line would have to be 'very low costs'! I believe that if
    we do this - it will not produce very many new addicts - the drug dealers
    would be out of business - most addicts would not steal for their habit
    anymore - MANY less drug related murders would occur and the black market
    trade wouldn't be profitable or luring. An age limit of 21 should prevail
    also. Eventually, I beleive they will be less and less addicts and less
    people starting in on drugs if we do this. If we don't - then I agree with
    J.T. - we would have to come down hard on drug dealers and stick by it in
    every case. No exceptions! No smooth talking lawyers getting someone off the
    hook - no easy judges! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52123
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT/College newspaper
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 08:34:21

       Who is the publisher?  Every publisher should have the right to determine
    the contents of his own newspaper.  If it is not the university itself, then
    they have no business determining what goes into it, though if they provide
    money for it, they should have the right to cut off funding if they don't
    like it.  If the newspaper can support itself via ads, then they have no say
    at all.
       If the publisher IS the university, then they can screen articles, just
    as every other newspaper publisher in the country does.  Whether their
    judgement in what to and not to print is sound is another matter.  If I were
    publisher, I'd be pretty liberal in what I'd let the editors print, myself.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52124
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: graduation
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 08:45:36

    Thanks for the congrats.  Graduation ceremony is this Friday at 1:30p.m.,
    but I won't be there.  With the number of graduates, you wouldn't be able to
    tell, so you can go and pretend I'm there if you like.

    Message: 52125
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A-L-A-N ??
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 11:35:03

            Should I "SCREEN" articles (posts) before they become public?
    I am really shocked you suggest this for news publishers.  I don't care how
    "liberal" you are... I would be offended by YOU alone saying what I could
    read.
            If you have a staff of responsaible reporters, you let them
    REPORT and REVIEW world/local events or whatever is newsworthy.
    I would hate to read a paper that had just one man's views printed.
    Controversy is good and need not reflect the view of the publisher to be
    printable.  I do not agree with all what goes on this BBS, but I will not
    "SCREEN" out what I dissagree with....as long as the rules of profanity are
    followed.  In short..... I TRUST you users and that seems to work!

            A-L-A-N, go stand in a corner with your Elf hat on.

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 52126
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 11:51:12

    What will you be studying at the UofA?
    James>>>
    (Atheism 101?)

    Message: 52127
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sysop Cliff
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 14:28:32

      I appreciate your stand on censorship, as do most of your users.  But I
    think what Alan was trying to point out is that you *own* this BBS, and are
    not required to permit anything you don't like.
      In the matter of the newspaper, the owner (not one of the employees) has
    the right to decide for himself what he will print.
      Yes, no one has the right to tell you what you may or may not read, just
    as if you are a newspaper owner, no one has the right to tell you what you
    may or may not print.
      Alan's question is valid:  who owns the paper?
      And who has the right to force that paper to print something it doesn't
    want to print?

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    Message: 52129
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim White
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 15:50:52

    I'm in the philosophy Ph.D. program; I plan to take the cognitive science
    concentration.

    Message: 52130
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Tru Fax
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 17:48:53

      Private taxi owners in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, have begun
    charging fat people double fares.  The cabbies complain that
    fat passengers take up the space of two thin people and cost
    them business.  *Los Angeles Times*

      An article in *The Economist* reported that Iraqi
    officials, in a move to keep soldiers from surrendering, are
    "ceasing to issue white underwear."

      Players for the Stroitel Cheropovets soccer club in the
    Soviet Union "denounced their manager, Gennady Gagarinsky,
    for corruption because they suspected he was holding back
    for himself the money they had given him to use in bribing
    referees."  *Montreal Gazette*

      Guests at a wedding reception in northeast China heard a
    scream from an adjoining room and rushed in to find the
    bride and groom unconscious on the sofa.  Both were taken to
    a hospital, where the bride was declared dead.  According to
    the *Edmonton (Alberta) Sun*, the groom had been kissing his
    new wife on the neck at the time of the incident, and
    doctors decided "the passion, intensity, and length of the
    kiss caused heart palpitations which killed the bride."

    Message: 52131
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Tru Fax
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 17:57:57

      Ohio State University researchers, led by Gerald A. Winer
    of the psychology department, conducted tests of more than
    seven hundred people "from elementary students to high
    school teachers," asking nonsense questions such as "Why
    isn't a horse a bicycle?"  Most people tried to answer the
    question as though it made sense.  Few pointed out that
    horses and bicycles are simply different things.
      One question asked of nine adults was: "When do you weigh
    more, with your eyes open or shut?"  All nine picked either
    open or shut.  None pointed out the inanity of the question.
      What does the research mean?  "To tell you the truth,"
    said Winer, "we don't know what to make of it."
                        *Louisville Times*

      Robert L. Hentley of Dorchester, Massachusetts, was
    arrested in the Osco drugstore in Waltham after he tried to
    steal $115 worth of Preparation H.  According to Waltham's
    *News Tribune*, "Hentley was seen stuffing packages of
    Preparation H into the pockets and sleeves of his jacket."

    Message: 52132
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: College paper
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 19:09:54

    The paper is published by the journalism department at Cal State Northridge,
    and is owned by the state of California and funded by the taxpayers.  It is
    not anyone's private domain, but a public forum for student opinion.  Thus,
    the "publisher" has no business censoring its content.  (Incidentally, one
    of the plaintiffs in my lawsuit is a taxpayer who is challenging the
    censorship policy as improper use of public funds.)

    Message: 52133
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 20:00:51

    Wait a minute - what about the Master's degree?  How can you get directly
    into the PhD program with a Bachelors degree?  Or do you already have your
    Master's degree?  I sure wish I could get a secular degree - heck of a lot
    easier than theology (the MA I will finish within a year is 96 hours - an MA
    in Religious Studies at ASU is 32).
    James>>>

    Message: 52134
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Weird phone call
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 22:23:04

    I just got a call from Scott Cubbage, an arms supplier and former roommate
    of mine who hasn't called Apollo in over a year.  Seems he's living in
    Canyon Country, in northern Los Angeles County, and working for Lockheed six
    days a week.  He heard me on the radio this morning and managed to track
    down my phone number.  Amazing, isn't it?

    Message: 52135
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/drugs
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 06:06:48

    If you are going to legalize drugs, then why put an age limit on their use?
    All you will do with that restriction is create more creative pushers at the
    high school and grade school levels, where the insanity usually starts in
    most cases.

    Message: 52136
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Newspaper
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 07:39:39

        I have heard that argument, but are you saying that they must print all
    submissions, no matter what?  I presume they only print articles by
    journalism students, but doesn't that infringe on the right of free speech
    of non-students?  If one of the students submitted an article that was
    slanderous, is the school still required to print it?  If an article was
    submitted that was too long to fit in the paper, would the school be
    required to enlargen the paper to print it?
        Again, I have to seperate the issues of whether it is legal to limit the
    articles in the paper, and whether it is proper.  Is it proper?  NO!  Is it
    legal?  In my opinion, YES!
        Somewhere, someone is making judgement calls as to what goes into that
    paper.  I'd say that if the publisher can't control the paper, no one can.
    If the publisher can't dictate the paper's contents, then how can the
    editor?
        And Cliff, you run this system in a very open fashion, which I do like.
    It's your computer and your phone, and you do with it as you please.  If
    permiting opposing views is how you please, then you have my full support in
    that philosophy.  I think it's the Right Thing to do.  But do you want the
    government to order you to permit opposing views?  And Cliff, you *do*
    censor messages.  Every so often, you have to raise the shields because some
    idiot entered a lot of garbage, WHICH YOU DELETE.  I agree with that policy,
    but I don't want you to be ordered to leave it or kill it.

    Alan

    Message: 52137
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: White
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 08:26:38

    "Ph.D. program" just means I have been accepted into a program which ends
    with a Ph.D. degree (i.e., I don't have to re-apply after obtaining my
    master's (though I still have to pass a qualifying exam)).

    Message: 52138
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 08:39:52

      I still don't see any censorship.
      What I see is the newspaper (someone in charge of it, actually) deciding
    that it does not want to print something.  They were *not* forbidding you to
    print it, since, if you had your own newspaper, you could say whatever you
    want (libel laws notwithstanding).
      I really don't see that you have the right to force that paper to print
    something it doesn't want to print, just as you would have no right to
    forbid them to print something you didn't want printed.

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    Message: 52139
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 09:19:10

      I agree, I don't see any censorship.  Publishers of *real* newspapers
    practice this form of *censorship* everyday.  They decide what is put in and
    not put in the paper.....not the reporters.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 52140
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Censorship
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 09:41:13

            A long-long time ago, in the early days of this BBS, we considered
    a message base that I would have to read the post first before it could be
    seen by any other users.  I decided that would be in violation of your
    rights, and would look like censorship on the part of the SYSOP even if I
    never deleted any posts.  I mean, how would you know, But I am sure you
    would assume I was deleting opposing view points other than my own.
            I still think a reporter/jornalist should be able to have his
    artical printed without censorship as long as they follow the general rules
    of languge and size set down in the paper equal to all from the begining.
    To say "You can't print this because I do not agree with you" is not valid.

    SYSOP

    Message: 52141
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 10:01:12

    You would not be violating anyone's rights by deleting messages from your
    own system.  No one would use it, but you would be acting within your
    rights.

    Message: 52142
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/drugs
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 10:37:41

    You are right about there being a lot of drugs in the school, but I still
    say a 21 year age limit is good. They are still kids under parental guidence
    - it should be the same as it is for drinking, cigarettes and bars. Until
    they reach an age where they can do as they want. If the age limit is 18 -
    then let it be 18 then. The profit MUST be taken out of the drug trade and
    as awful as this is - I see no other way right now. It is not the teens and
    younger that steal and kill for their habit and keep the drug dealers rich
    and fat. When the nation had probition - it was the same. They simply had to
    let it back legally because the bootleggers were making more money than the
    U.S. government was. People are going to smoke, drink and take drugs
    regardless of the law. The government, the people would benifit if it became
    legal and 'cheap'! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52143
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 11:01:45

    Well, I sprung my daughter's dog out of the pound this morning. I hope I
    never have to go to such a place again! There was a lot of good about it -
    it was certainly clean and the men that were on shift were humane and seemed
    caring. But it gave off a negative feeling - like a death house! Was
    probably my imagination. Anyway - the women at the dest took their time
    opening the front door - was 10 minutes late and there were 8 people
    standing outside waiting with their dogs in the hot sun - the women could
    see them from the inside too and just took their time. Typical government
    workers! (reminded me of the post office!) I had a chance to talk to a lady
    waiting - she said an Animal Control man had came to her door - had seen
    she had three dogs in her yard (fenced too) and asked if they were licenced
    and had their shots. Two didn't, so he wrote her a ticket. Both were 17 days
    late on the lic. - rabies was current. She also had a little dog with her
    that had been run over by a car about a month ago - it was fine but had had
    massive injuries and major surgery - the vet did not want it vacinated for
    rabies because it was on medication - she had to go down and get an
    extention! My lord, if we were this strick with our criminals, we wouldn't
    have any crime! Getting back to the negative aspect of the place - while I
    was waiting - a man brought in a stray dog to leave and when the Animal
    control man took him - he run him through a 'tick dip' tank - all his body
    was emmerged in that horriable gunk - nose, eys, mouth! I have dipped my own
    dogs in that stuff and it says do not get it in those areas or the dog could
    get sick. If that happened to my Pekinese, he would die and I know it - yet,
    there are no exceptions.
    Big Brother is alive a well in Phoenix Arizona. You can keep an unlicenced
    vehecle in your yard but not a little dog! You can drink and drive and not
    go through what this little dog did. You can molest the neighbor's kids and
    ditto! For the life of me - I can't understand a bit of this. Society amok
    is an under statement. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52145
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael James
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 11:48:20

            If I offered a BBS that I called PUBlic, and I deleted posts that
    differed from my view....  I WOULD say I was in "Violation" of my users
    rights to free speech and expression.
            I do think I have the right to set the size of the posts (due to
    hardware and software limitations) and the type language used (set within
    the majority of public acceptance for general public posts).

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 52146
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Yellow Journal
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 17:36:46

             Three Hundred Die in Constitutional Crisis

    Three hundred moviegoers perished in a raging Cineplex
    inferno when the theater's projectionist failed to warn them
    that a fire had broken out in the lobby of the complex.
      The man, who described himself as "an opponent of judicial
    activism," told police that he was only following Justice
    Oliver Wendell Holmes's famous dictum that freedom of speech
    doesn't give you the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded
    theater.
      "I'm real sorry about the loss of life," the man said,
    "but freedom isn't free, y'know.  I bet the people who got
    burned up would have been glad that I took a stand against
    excessively liberal interpretations of the First Amendment
    and Judicial usurpations of legislative rights in this, the
    two-hundredth-anniversary year of our Constitution."

    Message: 52147
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Yellow Journal
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 17:47:41

             SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS DIVERTED TO CONTRAS

    In testimony made public by the select Senate committee
    investigating the Iran-contra arms scandal, it was revealed
    that fund-raising for the contras, as coordinated by Oliver
    North and the National Security Council, included the
    mugging of senior citizens for their Social Security checks.
      According to the committee, retired senior citizens were
    lured to the beautiful, remote Sunnydale Nursing Home in
    scenic Arizona with the promise of sun, fishing, and elderly
    companionship.  Once there they were smacked on top of the
    head and robbed of all their Social Security money.  The
    cash was then sent to a secret contra bank account located
    in the Cayman Islands.
      The muggers, members of a conservative street gang known
    as Young Americans for Freedom, were recruited by North
    himself off the streets of Phoenix.  According to officials,
    "The gang members were efficient, enjoyed their work, and
    were committed to the ideals of mugging elderly citizens for
    the good of the nation."
      Suspicion was cast on the operation when an FBI report
    revealed that the Sunnydale Nursing Home had the highest
    crime rate in the country.  Said a Department of Justice
    official, "I'd rather camp out on the streets of Beirut than
    walk around Sunnydale."
      "Once a month, the day I cashed my Social Security check,
    I could count on being mugged," said Sunnydale resident Ruth
    Thompson.  "Once I got mugged in the arts and crafts class,
    another time during a game of cribbage.  If it wasn't for
    the sunny weather and the fact that I have no more money,
    I'd leave."

    Message: 52149
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Just a thought...
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 19:20:50

            If A-L-A-N's thoughs are true, then maybe "Freedom of Speech" is
    only for the rich, since they control the media in this country.

    Cliff

    Message: 52150
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Idiocy
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 19:30:08

    If Cynthia Rawitch owned her own paper, she would be free to determine its
    contents.  She does not, however; she is an agent of the state who is
    charged with overseeing a student newspaper.  She is not entitled to treat
    it as if it were her private domain.  The government cannot create a forum
    for expression and then introduce arbitrary restrictions on the content of
    the expression.  If you were arrested for distributing "politically
    incorrect" pamphlets on a public street, it would not be satisfactory to
    say, "You are not being censored.  You could distribute whatever pamphlets
    you want if you would buy a street of your own."

    Message: 52151
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 06:00:04

    If an establishment such as the Post Office or the dog pound has stated
    hours of business, and you get there earlier than those posted hour, don't
    blame the employees for not opening the doors early just because you are
    standing there.
    Get to a store early, and try to get them to let you in before the stated
    opening time! THey will stand there with the key in their hand until the
    hour is struck! Why do you keep expecting more out of som people to satisfy
    your own convenience than you do from others?
    By the way, if you found the dog pound clean and the wrkers humane, either
    you gt there on an exceptionally good day or they have changed drastically!

    Message: 52152
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/dogs
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 07:54:53

    No - you got that wrong - I did not get there very early - about 10 minutes
    before nine and they kept us waiting for 10 minutes after nine which is the
    business hours and they could see us outside. So see - you accused me
    falsely for expecting people to satisfy my own convenience. I have never
    went any place early and expected people to open the doors simply because I
    was there!
    You may be right about it being an exceptionally good day there - it looked
    clean and the guy that took care of me seemed genuinely humane and caring.
    But will admit to not 'looking too close'! I just wanted out of there as
    quick as possible. If it was a human prison, I wouldn't feel bad - but
    animals are innocent victoms that can't speak for themselves. But the only
    thing I saw that made my heaart lurch was the dipping of the dogs in the
    tick vat. That dog must have suffered terriablly to have that done to him
    for no reason other than he was a stray that no one wanted. Now that I have
    seen the whole thing - if this happened to one of my dogs - I would turn
    criminal and disappear with him before I'd let this be done to him. By the
    way - does anyone know that if you don't pay for a lic. for your dog, (after
    they send you a bill) and you get stopped for a traffic ticket, it will show
    up on your record and you will have to pay it? If the dog has died, you will
    have to prove it or pay the bill too. Once you ever get a dog lic. - you
    are on their 'list' forever! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52153
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Man kills girl
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 08:01:52

    I assumne most of you have read about that guy that 'accidently' killed his
    daughter by shooting her in the head because she was crying?! He will
    probablly get second degree murder which can be 'up to' 20 years in prison.
    Wonderful! That means he can be out in 4 years if he acts good while serving
    his time. Makes a lot of sense. Society Amok! Now, if he might have
    rabies.....! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52154
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 08:43:37

    Two questions - you mentioned four years - that's both for Masters and for
    PhD?  Wow - that's quick.  What's the set-up?
    Also - did you debate an astrologer on KFYI lately?  Could you give me some
    details if you did?  I'm scheduled to debate an astrologer on KTAR's Preston
    Westmoreland show Monday between 12:30 and 2.
    James>>>

    Message: 52155
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul..
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 10:59:37

            If you were standing in the hot sun before my store opened, I would
    open the door and invite you in....  Come on Paul, how could I let you stand
    there,  a good customer like you!

    Cliff

    Message: 52156
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Guns/Rights
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 12:02:41

         The guy that shot his daughter had a serious problem, but do not blame
    the death on the gun, blame it on the person.  Had he not had the gun, maybe
    he would have thrown her though a window or just beat her to death with his
    fist.  So you would not expect to outlaw fists and windows... fix the
    problem at the root... mental health!
         Listening at all the false info on the talk shows yesterday was
    amazing... First off, on a 45 Auto, you can not see the bullets in the
    chamber as described on KFYI.  Second, you can fire a 45 with one hand, it's
    not the cannon they described or it would have taken her head clean off...
    Third, They assumed all "Detectives" carry guns, again that is FALSE! In
    fact in yesterdays paper, they said Everett Northington did NOT carry a GUN
    nor was he allowed to on the job.  He was not trained in handgun safety and
    in the proper handling of same.  He was a JERK without a doubt!  But, the
    talk show assumed all detectives were "EXPERTS" in gun handling.
         Did you know, Most Police are not good shots, there is very little
    emphasis on this and are poorly trained in good gun handling practices.
    Seems they are more trained in catching their brass as not to mess up the
    academy grounds.  Many a police officer has died with brass in hand.
         Be sure to watch "Woman and Hand Guns" on Channel 12 News at 10 pm
    tonight (Friday).

         Note:  I am not defending the jerk who shot his daughter...
    Just my right to carry a handgun for a defensive weapon
    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 52157
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Newspapers
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 16:11:53

       It all depends on what "arbitary" restrictions are.  I'm sure if you
    asked, any censor would say that his standards aren't arbitrary at all.
    I still have to restate my previous question:  is a government publication
    required to print every submission, regardless of length, source, or
    subject?  If they don't have to, can't anyone whose article was rejected
    claim censorship?
       Cliff, you said that you don't permit profanity on the PUBlic board.  If
    censorship is 100% wrong, why do you censor such language?  So what if
    the public in general doesn't like it?
       It's not quite true that The Rich has a strangle hold on print.  Sure,
    the R&G can and does slant some stories to suit themselves.  But if they
    won't print your articles in a fashion you like, send them to the *New
    Times*, or the *Tribune*, or the *Star*, or the *Progress*.
       I publish a newsletter for a club I belong to.  In it, I put whatever I
    #@%$% well please.  As publisher, that is my option.  But it is their option
    to cut off the money, if they don't like it.
       I think the solution to the university paper problem is the same as
    whenever you have an administrator that you don't like -- you go to the
    boards and elected officials that are over them, and put the squeeze on
    them that way.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52158
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Viruses
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 17:49:30

    From USA Today:

    Beware a Friday the 13th computer 'virus'

      Don't be surprised if your computer goes haywire today.
    It may be infected with a "virus."
      Today - Friday the 13th - is the day that many of these
    software time bombs, secretly planted by mischievous
    programmers, are scheduled to go off inside computers across
    the USA and around the world.
      A programmer hides a virus in a normal program.  It may
    lie dormant for months and then at a set time may cause the
    printer to malfunction, destroy information or multiply
    infinitely - shutting down a computer.
      "Lots of people are nervous," says consultant Robert
    Courtney, a former security director at IBM Corp.
      Courtney says he has disarmed seven viruses in the past
    week.  All were scheduled to go off today.  He declined to
    say who his clients were, but all were either government
    agencies or *Fortune 500* corporations.
      Last fall hundreds of computers at Hebrew University in
    Jerusalem were infected by a virus designed to go off today
    and destroy the data stored.  Officials believe they've
    wiped it out - but they aren't sure.

      "I really hope it doesn't happen to anybody," says
    Beverly Ann Glath, spokeswoman for RG Software Systems,
    which sells a program designed to spot and destroy viruses.
    "A lot of people aren't protected."
      Electronic Data Systems was hit by a virus in March that
    spread to 25 Macintosh computers.  But EDS spokesman Roger
    Still says it has been cleaned out.
      "It's probably a little late to worry if someone has put a
    virus in your computer set for the 13th," says Courtney.

    Message: 52160
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Talk Show Guesting..
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 20:23:59

    Is there anyone on this board that HASN'T been a guest on a radio
    talk show?

    Message: 52161
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Radio talk show
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 21:37:09

    I haven't, although tonight I was asked to be one on Monday, but I had to
    decline.

    Message: 52162
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hamilton
    Date: 05/13/88  Time: 21:44:33

    It is permissible for the government to impose reasonable time, place, and
    manner restrictions on expresion in a public forum.  For example, giving
    speeches in a public park at 4 a.m. might be prohibited.  But any
    restrictions on such expresion must be content-neutral (with a few
    exceptions:  if expresion poses a clear and present danger, it may be
    restrained, but the burden of proof is on the government and is very heavy.
    Also, unprotected categories of speech, such as obscenity, may be
    restrained.).  In the case of college student newspapers, the important
    point is that decisions about content must be left up to students, who are
    not agents of the state.  Incidentally, my case has nothing to do with the
    allocation of a limited amount of space.  I was suspended because the
    faculty adviser of the paper did not like the content of what I published,
    and because I did so without her approval.  The question of space
    limitations is a red herring.

    Message: 52164
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/guns
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 07:36:40

    Of course they are going to jump on this particular case to get guns
    outlawed! But that doesn't make a bit of sense - the guy is nuts and would
    have killed her regardless if he had a gun or not. If he didn't intend to
    kill her - what was he pointing the gun at her for? If hand guns were
    outlawed - he'd of probablly had a rifle and did the same thing. If they
    ever pass that law - that's when I move to Mexico! I am sick and tired of
    them not putting the blame where it belongs. Guns don't kill - people do and
    will continue to do so regardless of any laws! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52165
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff Sysop
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 12:01:56

      No, even if you offered the BBS you described in post#42145 and deleted
    the posts you didn't like, you would not be in violation of your users'
    rights -- you would just be a liar.
      You may want to put up an open forum for people to use, and you may censor
    it any way you want, since it's your public property.
      Look at it this way:  I don't have a BBS for you (or anyone else) to log
    on to to express your views.  Is that a violation of your first-ammendment
    rights?

    ==========  Pascal  #(O,O)# Hoot!  MacProgrammer  ==========

    Message: 52166
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 12:04:09

      I think your supervisor had the right to censor any material submitted by
    inferiors.  It was probably part of your job.  If you didn't like it, you
    should have gone up the chain-of-command to someone who agreed with you.
      You *still* have *no* right to cause someone else to expound your views
    for you.

    ==========  Pascal  #(u,u)# Yawn!  MacProgrammer  ==========

    Message: 52167
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MacGregor/52165
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 12:17:36

    This BBS is private property, not public property.

    Message: 52168
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MacGregor
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 12:19:51

    I am not trying to "cause someone to expound my views for me."  I am
    asserting my right to express my views in a public forum, a student
    newspaper funded by the state, which is not the private domain of any
    professor or administrator.  I am doing precisely what you have suggested:
    "going up the chain-of-command to someone who [I hope] agrees with me,"
    namely a judge.

    Message: 52169
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Yellow Journal
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 12:47:04

      Jockey Steve Cauthen is gravely concerned about the
    painful methods of killing horses that glue factories have
    employed in recent years.  "Some of these places," says
    Cauthen, "think absolutely nothing of taking a horse and
    pushing him down a stairway."
      So Cauthen has invented a new way of changing horses into
    glue painlessly - by hypnosis.  It involves taking the horse
    into a dark room and swinging an illuminated light bulb in
    front of his face while a hypnotist says, "You're starting
    to fell sticky."
      Cauthen proposes that each tube of glue produced in this
    manner have a warning on it that says, "Do not snap your
    fingers in front of this tube."

                AMERICA'S DIET IS PASTRY DEFICIENT

    A startling new study commissioned by the American Society
    of Pastry Chefs shows that the diet of the average American
    is seriously lacking in what a spokesman for the group calls
    "the fifth essential food group - pastry!"
      The spokesman added, "We knew the problem existed, but we
    weren't aware how pervasive it had become.  We now believe
    that fewer than two people in ten are receiving the minimum
    daily requirement of pastry, and that's a real tragedy.
    Especially in a country where pastry is relatively plentiful
    and a great value, too."
      The group plans to launch an advertising campaign to
    educate the public to the dangers of "prolonged substandard
    blood-pastry levels."
      The ads will feature happy families gathered around a
    dining room table eating "nutritious, delicious, and
    less-expensive-than-you-might-think" pastry under banner
    headlines proclaiming, "Pastry Deficiency Is No Piece of
    Cake" and "Combating Pastry Deficiency: It's As Easy As
    Pie."

    Message: 52171
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Rocket launch
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 15:58:48

            Anyone wanting to see a large (very) model rocket launch with a
    camera payload... be at CARROWS (Bell road just east of the freeway)
    at 8:00/8:15 if you want to eat and at 9:00 if you want to follow us out.
    This is for SUNDAY (May 15th) only..... This is a James Hawley Rocket...and
    Pat Lamanuzzi project....  FUNDed by several BBS users
    (Pat is not a member of this system by the way) but that should not stop the
    fun....  sigh!

    Message: 52172
    Author: Libby Bellitter
    Category: For sale
    Subject:  HONDA 80 SCOOTER
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 19:01:54

     1985 HONDA ELITE 80 SCOOTER 1500 MILE, 80 MILE PER GALLON, RUNS PERFECT
    NEEDS A LITTLE COSMETIC WORK, $600 OR BEST OFFER MUST SELL 392-0025

    Message: 52173
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fun!
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 19:54:28

    Whee - I just got my hard drive today and put Procomm in and am using it
    now. Gonna love it. Thanks Cliff! How did I live with out it all these
    years?
    See you all tomorrow at the launch at 123rd avenue (Dysart rd.) and Bell. Ta
    ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52174
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT's lawsuit
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 22:28:56

    I think some of you are making assertions without knowing the details of
    JT's case.  I posted this article by JT a year ago, but I'll repeat it for
    those who have forgotten or missed it.
    ****************************************************************************
    Teaching Intolerence from Reason Magazine, June 1987
    By James Taranto

    (The article includes a copy of a cartoon from the UCLA Daily Bruin.  It
    shows a guy asking a rooster "Excuse me, but aren't you a rooster?"  "Yes."
    "Wow, that's cool, but how did you get into UCLA?"  "Affirmative action.")

       A university is a haven for free inquiry where ideas -- including
    unpopular or controversial ones -- can be discussed freely and peacefully,
    where the pursuit of knowledge is the highest value.  That's what I
    expected, anyway, when I enrolled as a journalism student at California
    State University, Northridge.  I am sad to report that the pursuit of
    knowledge often takes a back seat to the political agenda of school
    officials.  At CSUN and many other colleges, the marketplace of ideas is
    heavily regulated in order to promote "sensitivity" to minority groups.
       I wrote an opinion column for the Daily Sundial -- the school newspaper
    of which I am news editor -- telling the story of Ron Bell, editor-in-chief
    of the UCLA Daily Bruin.  Bell had been threatened by a group of eight
    students angry over a cartoon he printed.  The cartoon, one of a regular
    (and previously apolitical) comic strip, depicted a rooster explaining to
    another student that he had been admitted to UCLA because of affirmative
    action.
       The board that oversees UCLA's student publications suspended Bell as
    editor-in-chief for one week for printing a "racially insensitive" cartoon
    and violating a rule prohibiting "articles that perpetuate derogatory ethnic
    stereotypes."  The suspension was rescinded when Bell agreed to run an
    apology and to send his reporters to cultural awareness workshops.
       Among those who had pressed for action against Bell was Lisa Smith, who
    edits Nommo, UCLA's black student magazine -- the editorial staff of which
    was represented in the gang that stormed Bell's office.  In a Nommo
    editorial, Smith made it clear that her objection to the cartoon was the
    political view it expressed: "At a time when affirmative action is under
    attack across the country the cartoon...further undermines the efforts to
    preserve a much needed program."
       Along with my editorial, I reprinted both the cartoon and excerpts from a
    viciously racist Nommo article.  Sample: "Their [whites'] abstract theories
    and philosophy concerning government and economics [sic] and underlying tone
    of selfishness, possessiveness, and greediness because their character is
    made up of these things.  They cannot see the merit in collectivism and
    socialism because they do not possess the qualities of rational thought,
    generosity and magnanimity necessary to be part of a social order or
    system."
       Nommo is supervised by the same board that oversees the Bruin and is
    presumably subject to the same rules against stereotypes.  But no action was
    taken against it, because nobody complained.  I concluded that promoting
    "sensitivity" is less a matter of setting objective standards than of
    pandering to the hysterics of a small, highly politicized group of minority
    students.
       Noting that such incidents are not confined to UCLA, I wrote, "The battle
    between 'sensitivity' and free expression is being waged on college campuses
    throughout the country."  Little did I know I was to become its next
    casualty.
       The Sundial, you see, has a little-known (but, I am told, long-standing)
    policy requiring "questionable" material to be submitted to the faculty
    publisher for prior review.  The publisher, journalism professor Cynthia
    Rawitch, declared the cartoon "questionable" and suspended me from the paper
    for two weeks for not consulting her before reprinting it.  The Sundial has
    printed plenty of questionable material in the four years Rawitch has been
    publisher, and she hasn't always had the opportunity to censor it before
    publication.  But no editor has ever been suspended for violating this rule.
     Why was I so severely punished?
       Probably because my article touched an ideological nerve, by rejecting
    the notion that sensitivity to minorities should take precedence over
    freedom of expression, that minority members, as compensation for past
    injustices, should be given veto power over expression of ideas with which
    they disagree.  In critiquing my article, Rawitch argued that the cartoon,
    although it didn't mention any specific ethnic of cultural group, was a
    violation of the UCLA rule because affirmative action applies only to
    minorities and women.  The Nommo article didn't violate the rule, she said,
    because whites -- referred to in that articles as Europeans -- are not an
    ethnic or cultural group.
       Obviously such an ideology cannot stand up under rational scrutiny.  Its
    adherents know this, and they do whatever possible to evade such scrutiny,
    starting with the old arguement ad hominem.  They label their critics
    "racist," "sexist," "homophobic," or "insensitive," indiscriminately using
    such words as terms of vilification.
       If character assassination fails, the next step is censorship.  It takes
    various forms and is always justified in terms of so reasonable-sounding
    rule.  (Perhaps the most outrageous example is at Yale, where students who
    publically disapprove of homosexuality risk being disciplined on "sexual
    harassment" charges).  But the real purpose is to stamp out thought that
    deviates from the ideology of sensitivity.
       This sort of action on the part of university officials is a disservice
    to all students, for it teaches them that intimidation is more powerful than
    reason and that ideas approved by those in authority should be imposed by
    force, rather than considered on their own merits.  Universities that reject
    the democratic ideas of free thought and expression cannot help but become
    breeding grounds for totalitarianism.

    Message: 52178
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Banning things...
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 02:08:45

    Paul Savage:  I believe that your statement about pit bulls is quite
    outrageous!!!  To eliminate an entire class of dogs (or anything), simply
    because of the behavior of a few (stupid) people goes against the very
    nature of this country!

    You wish to preempt some possible event, based on the actions of a minority
    of some class, by the elimination of the entire class.  In your statement,
    that class was pit bulls.  Others have used similar arguments to ban hand
    guns (and other firearms), motorcycles, etc.  No matter what the 'object' of
    this argument, it sounds hollow!

    The Northamerican Bull Terrier (which, along with some other types of
    terriers, are commonly referred to as pit bulls) is merely a dog with a
    certain build, and some predispositions.  These terriers are NOT predisposed
    to killing anymore than is Ann Oudin's dog or her daughter's puppy.  Some (a
    minority) owners of this type of dog will make the dog 'mean', mostly
    through inhumane methods (excessive starving, physical abuse, etc.).  They
    will use the dog as vicious guard dogs or for illegal dog fights.  These
    people (not animals) should face civil and criminal sanctions for cruelty to
    these animals.  It is not this class of animal's fault that it has gained
    this 'reputation'.  There is no justification for destroying all 'pit
    bulls' on sight!
    I believe that this country was founded so that people may express their
    beliefs and exercise their rights without undue restraint.  Part of that
    philosophy entails that one cannot prohibit something (anything) when that
    something does not necessarily directly lead to the deprivation or lessening
    of someone else's rights (I refer to this as preemption).

    Thus, unless you can show that *EVERY* occurance of object or event X leads
    to the deprivation or lessening of anyone's rights, that object or occurance
    should not be banned.

    As already stated, this object or event X may refer to firearms, motor
    vehicles, or even dogs.  I know that you cannot at this time prove that
    every pit bull has attacked someone, just as you cannot show that every
    firearm has been used to commit a crime, or every motorcycle has lead to
    death.

    Thus, following this logic, one should not kill every pit bull sighted.

    Of course, this idea can be carried to extremes, but I would like to invite
    comments on this idea.

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 52180
    Author: Mike Stackpole
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim White/KTAR
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 08:27:58

    I debated the Astrology on KFYI last Sunday for the Skeptics.  Give me a
    call and I can clue you in on a couple of points where an astrology might be
    vulnerable.
      Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    Mike
    231-8624

    Message: 52181
    Author: Mike Stackpole
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Tom Leykis
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 08:33:00

    Tom resigned from KFYI on Friday.  He will be sorely missed.  As far as I am
    concerned, the forum for expressing free thought on the radio has been lost.
     Phoenix will be a worse place for it.
    Mike

    Message: 52182
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Stackpole
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 11:19:05

    First, thank you for the bulletin on Leykis - I'll call his BBS for details
    I guess.
    Second, thanks for the offer on astrology.  I've been doing reading on it,
    and I am familiar with the major scientific problems with astrology
    (precession of equinoxes, etc.).  However, you need to realize as well that
    I will be dealing with two issues, rather than one, for I am not a
    naturalist (as you would be).  I see both the natural problems from a
    scientific viewpoint, but I also recognize a spiritual aspect.  Most the
    idolatry that ancient Israel, for example, engaged in, and for which it wqas
    punished by God, was related to the occult/astrology.  Hence, I am not going
    to be giving a naturalistic criticism of astrology; rather, I will be giving
    a Christian criticism of astrology.
    An enemy of an enemy might shoot you, too, given the chance.

    James>>>

    Message: 52183
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Apollo II Rocket
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 12:35:33

            The big Apollo II rocket spun out of control about 20 feet off the
    launch pad crashing into the desert floor with the flight lasting only 9.5
    seconds.  We have it on film...  Thanks to Ann Oudin and Rod Williams, plus
    there was an on board camera that survived the crash.  Can be seen at the
    upcomming "Film at 11 GT"

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 52184
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Films
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 18:17:32

    Ann is right, James is going to kill her. Actually, the fact that only one
    flight was recorded on videotape was not her fault.

    The 8mm film should prove interesting.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 52185
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Yellow Journal
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 18:39:38

              Nicaragua Announces Sequel to *Amerika*

    In response to ABC's controversial miniseries *Amerika*, the
    Nicaraguan government has announced that the state-run
    Sandinista television station will soon begin production on
    a miniseries entitled *Nikaragua*.  It's the story of what
    life would be like if the small nation was overrun by the
    United States.  According to the producer of the miniseries,
    "In the show, the Nicaraguan people will be forced to eat
    only fast food, sing rock songs with disgusting lyrics, and
    lose their jobs to foreign competition."

    Message: 52186
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Stranger Than FACT
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 18:49:23

                         Raging Bambinos!
    Underground "sport" of baby-fighting resurfaces on West
    Coast - The controversial underground sport of
    "baby-fighting" has reappeared in recent years.

      "Baby-fighting is a savage spectacle," explains Detective
    Arthur Watson of the L.A.P.D.  "Human infants are
    intentionally inflicted with diaper rash until they want to
    punch anyone who comes near them.  Then two of these kids
    are placed in a miniature boxing ring with one pacifier to
    fight over.
      "And it's not a pretty sight," continues Watson, "to see a
    roomful of adults placing bets and shouting things like 'Go
    for the cut,' or 'Stop crying and fight.'"
      Watson reports that most parents of "fighting babies"
    usually offer some rationalization for their behavior, such
    as "I only wanted to buy him a nicer high chair" or "I'm
    saving the money for her education," but the dismal truth is
    that "even the most successful infant pugilists usually wind
    up broke and owing the IRS money before they're old enough
    to talk."

    Message: 52187
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Apollo II
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 20:23:02

    Err, that should be the JAMES HAWLEY II folks...

    As I had predicted, it was a failure.
    Now on with real life...

    Message: 52188
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 21:49:15

            I think with all that top weight the rocket may have worked better
    with some stabalizer fins nearer to the top.  But never seeing the rocket
    till launch time... I had no input.   I think Mr Hawley tried, but the fact
    he belongs to a rocket club and has some new rocket friends... it went to
    his head.  I had hoped for a good launch, not failure.
            I removed myself from the MAD rocket SIG and Mike Carter asked to be
    removed tonight as well.

            No, I do not wish my money back on this venture, as I know he
    thought he was doing his best, even if we did not count.

            Remember the last launch of the J100, I was excited, I felt pride,
    I was part of that launch... On this one today, It was like watching someone
    elses rocket...  No excitment, No pride,  after all, James friends ran the
    show and I did not know a single one of them, we were there just because we
    paid a part of the bill.

            It's over now, let's get onto other things......

    SYSOP

    Message: 52189
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/Guns
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 22:10:02

      Running off to Mexico is the wrong response to gun control attempts on two
    counts. Number one,  Mexico already has far worse gun control laws than the
    U.S., number two, the surest way to stop gun control laws is through public
    action in the voting booth and forums of opinion. Pulling out of the debate
    after a temporary setback would make it that much easier for it to become
    permanent. When it is put to a vote of the citizens gun control is ALWAYS
    defeated by a wide margin (not just in the wild west either, it lost 2 to
    1 when a handgun ban was tried in Teddy's home state).
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 52190
    Author: Mike Stackpole
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim White/Astrology
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 00:10:59

    Jim,
      The really big questions that hit hard for me were:
    1) what makes it work.  After ducking the question 4 times, the guy finally
    said ,"We don't know."
    2)  If it's all in the angles between the planets, why doesn't the distance
    from earth matter.  Venus can be between .23 and 1.72 AU from Earth, but as
    long as the angle is right, the effect is the same.
    3)  If astrology starts at birth, and birth starts with the first breath (as
    my foe maintained) then how can charts be cast for cities and businesses.

    Go get 'em.  I'll probably listen in...
    Mike

    Message: 52191
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rocket GT
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 00:34:28

    When is the next one?

    Sincerest condolences!

    Carol->

    Message: 52192
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: don't understand
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 00:36:54

    Why the police insist on chasing cars at 100 mph, knowing they usually end
    up in death or injuries, endangering the lives of anyone in the way.

    Can't they just follow up later on the license plate number?  Or radio ahead
    for another car to MEET the lawbreaker?

    Carol->

    Message: 52193
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 02:11:38

    I was talking with a Phoenix cop about the recent high-speed pursuit that
    ended in the suspect's death. He seemed rather amused by what he felt was
    an ironic incident that occured as a result of the crash. Apparently, the
    guy they were chasing was a golfer, and his golf clubs were thrown all over
    the immediate area. What he felt was ironic was that, of all the clubs, one
    of the woods was thrown the farthest.

    Message: 52194
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/store hours
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 05:52:53

    The one big difference Cliff, (well, maybe two) is that we are friends, (I
    hope!) and you own your own business. If a gov't employee opened the door of
    the business, be it dogpound, post office, or whatever, before the appointed
    moment, he wuld probably be subjected to some disciplinary action. There are
    some things that HAVE to be done before any customers are allowed in the
    place. THat's why you don't get in early, no matter what.
    (That doesn't excuse the pound for opening 10 minutes late, though.)

    Message: 52195
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Kielsky
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 06:07:31

    One thing you apparently have overlooked in your otherwise excellent
    argument Mike. Perhaps you have not studied the breed at all, or are
    unfamiliar with their traits. In fact, pit bulls, actually a Staffordshire
    bull terrier, have a common flaw in their genetic makeup. Because of the
    instability of their behaviour, they are useless as pets. (They have been
    known quite frequently to attack their own master's children!) They are also
    unstable as watch or guard dogs, for they cause untold millions of dollare
    in damage to what they consider "intruders", and that has included friends,
    relatives and customers of owners.
     The fact is that they were and are bred for one reason, and one only, the
    illegal dog fighting pit. Thus the name, pit bull.
     Since the above are facts, and I have several friends who have the scars to
    show for it, I still say that, regardless of the inhumanity of some dog
    owners, any such breed of dog has no real purpose in existing, and should be
    eliminated. Completely.

    Message: 52196
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael K./dogs
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 08:33:02

    Good post - well written and to the point. I agree. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52197
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Beau Gog
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 08:36:43

    You mean my film didn't take? As far as I saw - that guy filmed it at the
    right times!!?? What I was refering to when I said 'James is going to kill
    me" was - when they went to retrieve the rocket - I filmed it and then set
    the camera down and didn't turn it off - then picked it up again to film
    some more and noticed at least three minutes of his film would be of
    nothing! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52198
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/MExico
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 08:38:30

    That was only a tongue in cheek statement on my part. But let me put it this
    way - if hand guns are banned by law - they will not get mine! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52199
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol/chase
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 08:44:44

    I've often wondered about that myself. If someone is speeding like that -
    chances are if the police are in persuit, someone is going to get killed. If
    left alone, they would probablly slow down and could then be arrested.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52200
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/pit bulls
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 08:55:45

    Sorry Paul, but you are wrong about them. If they are raised as a pet as any
    other, they arn't mean. But unfortunately, most people get that breed
    because they have a reputation. So do Dobermans and Chows. Any dog can be
    made mean by teasing or training. They are just big and can do harm is all.
    Actually, your attitude scares me when you say they should be eliminated as
    a breed because of the controversey. I hope that attutude stops at just dogs
    I have seen many pit bulls - both mean and very sweet in my life - most were
    good pets and well behaved - smart too. Just because of a few inccidents of
    the stupid owners is no reason to distroy the breed. By the way - I've heard
    of little poodles turning on their owners too. In fact - little dogs in
    general can be the worst bitters around - snappy! But because they arn't big
    - no one really fears them. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52201
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: For sale
    Subject: For sale by owner
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 11:22:06

    2 Beta movies - the original 'King Kong' (1933) - uncut! *See Fay Wray half
    naked* - *See a giant gorilla in heat*. Cost $59.00 new - shown once - my
    price $20.00
    Also - 'Saturday Night Fever' - uncut! *See John Travolta adjust himself* -
    - *see back seat antics* Cost $29.00 new - shown once - my price $10.00
    (This movie has a few 'drool' stains on the wrapper)
    These are not copies from TV - but the real thing in their original
    packages. Let me know in private mail. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52202
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 12:36:56

      I don't think you've ever replied to one question of mine over the whole
    censorchip mess.
      You you believe that *anyone* has the right to force *anything* to be
    published in the "public forum"?  That *no* *one* is in a position with
    enough authority to say what is appropriate and what is not?

    ==========  Pascal  #(O,O)# Hoot!  MacProgrammer  ==========

    Message: 52203
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: War!
    Subject: Unions
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 12:44:30

      I was just remembering a while back the trouble a roommate in college had
    with a union.
      He had a summer job as an office worker, and since the business had a
    contract with a union that all employees had to be members of that union, my
    roommate had to join.  The dues weren't all that bad, and he got a very nice
    pin to wear.  Nice setup.
      The problem was his typewriter.  One of the keys wasn't working so well
    for the first half-hour or so after he turned it on in the morning.  Every
    time he came to the letter "E" (or whatever -- it was a very common letter,
    anyway), he had to hit it repeatedly to get it to type.
      Well, anyone could see that even if the typer couldn't be repaired, he
    could at least turn it on as soon as he got to the office so it could warm
    up while he was taking off his jacket and putting is lunch in the
    refrigerator, things like that.
      But noooooooo!  The union forbade him to touch the typewriter until it was
    time to start work.
      All right, how about if the boss turns on the typewriter when *he* comes
    to work, which was even a bit earlier?
      But noooooooo!  The boss wasn't a member of the union, and thus was not
    permitted to turn on his own typewriter in the morning.
      Is there any positive result of such chicken behavior?

    ==========  Pascal  #(O,O)# Hoot!  MacProgrammer  ==========

    Message: 52204
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Stranger Than FACT
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 17:57:31

                     SHOPPING CARTS RUN WILD!
                 Empty carts terrorize Nashville

    A shopping cart rebellion took place recently at Anderson's
    Supermarket in Nashville, Tennessee.
      "I might have expected it," explained proprietor Arthur
    Anderson.  "These were the old-style deep basket carts, and
    most of them had been with us a number of years.  One of
    them overheard me telling my manager that I was planning to
    replace them with new-style, upright, flat-surface carts."
      At that point, as Anderson tells it, "The carts went wild.
    They turned on my customers and started ramming people both
    in the market and out in the parking lot.  One cart with an
    infant seated in it carried the child eight blocks to a
    shopping center and attempted to throw him down an
    escalator.  The police got there just in time.
      "One of the oldest carts," added Anderson, "burst into a
    podiatrist's office and demanded that the doctor examine its
    wheels."
      According to the police reports, another four carts barged
    into a nearby synagogue, where they interrupted a bar
    mitzvah, dumping canned hams on the pulpit.
      "That really upset me," said Anderson, "because shopping
    carts have traditionally had such close ties with the Jewish
    community."
      The revolt apparently ended as suddenly as it began and
    the carts went back to behaving themselves.  Commenting on
    his decision to keep his old carts and cancel the new ones,
    owner Anderson admitted that he "hadn't realized how
    sensitive shopping carts could be."  One of them had been
    overheard saying to a man it had just run over, "We've been
    pushed around all our lives and now we're pushing back."
      "I couldn't get rid of them after hearing that," said
    Anderson.

    Message: 52206
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rocket Design #52188
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 18:08:12

      All the surface area of the wings should be aft of the
    center of mass regardless of payload weight.  Any extra
    surface area forward of COM is destabalizing.

    Message: 52207
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 18:37:41

    You are correct.

    Actually the rocket flew fine for the first two seconds.  We had a movie
    camera as the payload, so when we get the film back it should be interesting
    to analyze what happened.

    And, the nose was definitely not too heavy.  More than likely, it was the
    opposite.  I won't comment further until I see the movie.

    Message: 52208
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MacGregor
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 19:50:10

    An agent of the state may not impose content restrictions on expression in a
    public forum, unless the expresion in question is unprotected by the First
    Amendment.  Unprotected categories of speech include obscenity, fighting
    words, and expresion that poses a "clear and present danger" which the state
    has a compelling interest in avoiding.

    Message: 52209
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Apro
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 20:24:15

            After thinking about it, I agree... then I guess the wings?fins
    should have been bigger for the body/weight size or maybe it should have
    been 4 fins instead of the 3.  But then again, it was not my rocket so whom
    am I to argue.  I no longer belong to the  sig, but there are a few of
    us that are going to build our own rockets and unlike this last GT, have
    some affordable fun.

            To clear up a misunderstanding here... I think James Hawley did a
    fine quality job on the rocket.

    SYSOP

    Message: 52210
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: MacGregor/Union
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 21:01:10

    Yeah, I can see a positive.  The boss didn't start EXPECTING to see your
    friend come in a half hour early every day to `warm up the typewriter'.

    Message: 52211
    Author: David Clark
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Onomatopoeia
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 21:10:15

    Onomatopoeia!
         And felicitous salubriations to our Earther friends!  We of the
    planet Hidage in hypocotyl orbit about the binary star system Harpicon IV,
    have come to your planet in an intercessorial capacity.  And also to pick
    up some fabulous babes.  No, no, we are merely demonstrating our
    appreciation of your "humor".
         Our real mission is as transmogrifyers to the Lepidodendroids, an
    advanced race of herbaceous philanthropists from the Alpha Ceti Tau
    system.  Additionally, we have a fetish for Lola Heatherton's left brassiere
    cup, but that is none of your concern.  We also want some of those little
    green curled toed Irish pointy boots, like we saw on an episode of
    Sanford and Son.  Or similar to the kind Paul Simon (the presidential
    candidate, not the musician) wears in his bedroom while lusting after
    his dog, when his wife is out of town.  But we digress.
         The Lepidodendroids, are pharmaceutical to us in nature.  But we
    also regard them as delicacies.  However, we offer them a symbiotic
    relationship in exchange for these things.  While this meets their
    essential needs, however, they will accept small remunerances in the
    form of Beals raw milk, from the plant in Chandler, Arizona.

    continued

    Message: 52212
    Author: David Clark
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: continued
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 21:11:10

         These calibrations form a domino effect upon the trans-lunar
    migrations of the swallows of Capistrano.  Few people know that during
    the winter months, these hearty birds live on the Jovian satellite known
    to you as Io, but known to us as Laminaria.  There, they build ice-nests
    and wile away the hours watching videotaped reruns of "The Honeymooners",
    and "Gilligan's Island".  They have an intense fear of William F. Buckley
    Jr.'s eyebrows, which they consider to be an incarnation of Joan Rivers
    in the form of Shiva the Destroyer.  During religious services, they
    read from old Sargeant Bilko scripts, as they tend to confuse him with
    the Dalai Lama.  But enough about these fascinating creatures.
         In our many travels, we have come upon minions of pupilage.  These
    form a quasi-hermetic bond with the stockings of Debra Pyburn-Brewer,
    leading to an issuance of fungus gnats from her midriff.  In turn, she
    donates a healthy supply of Wolframite to the Palo-Verde nuclear power
    plant, which then reveals the location of the world's supply of
    poison-sumac.  This chain of events culminates in Redd Foxx watching
    a pair of monkeys having intercourse, with a one-legged donkey, in a
    special viewing booth constructed for an unrelated purpose.

    continued

    Message: 52213
    Author: Paul Hogan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: continued
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 21:15:10

         We have also found reminants of chuckwalla droppings inside a
    sarcophagus at the Great Pyramid of Gaza.  We believe this to indicate
    semiological manifestations of the Greek god, Festus.  Giant line
    drawings on the Yucatan plains support this thesis, as do minstrel
    shows from the early days of the twelfth century.
         Perspective drawings of Marlin Perkin's dentures, and hearing aid,
    tend however to dispute these findings.  Therefore, we cannot, in good
    conscience, consume fatty substances in the presence of oriental women
    less than 4 feet in heighth.
         Recently, we have become convinced, after comparing the above evidence
    with the most recent technological advances of Earth's sixth century, that
    Hoyt Axton is in reality an evil fugitive from a parallel space-time
    continuum.  His pose as a bumptious country-music yokel is most convincing,
    but you should not allow yourselves to be deceived.  It is said that
    his left cornea glows when exposed to electromagnetic radiation of the
    15 nanometer wavelength, and this may well be conclusive evidence, if not
    of his nebulous origins, then at least of his wife's infidelity.

    Message: 52214
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: War!
    Subject: David Clark
    Date: 05/16/88  Time: 23:42:32

    Shut up already!

    Message: 52215
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Pascal Mac / Unions
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 03:18:08

    It was the company's responsable(sp) to make sure that your friend had
    equipment that was working properly. If you keep making do, most companies
    will never fix anything. You almost have to force them to keep the equipment
    in good safe working order.

                                              <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 52216
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/pit bulls
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 06:11:21

     Obviously, you have not been reading the newspapers lately, nor have you
    really looked into the breeding and raising of pit bulls. (Staffordshire
    bull terriers).
     In the first place, 9 out of 10 vicious dog attacks in this country are
    committed by pit bulls, many on unsuspecting and unprovoking children, in
    many cases, the children of the dog's owners. THe attack of a pit bull
    differs greatly from the attack of any other animal, since the pit bull,
    instead of merely biting or nipping, grabs a firm grip and tears flesh. THey
    have the strongest (som 1600 lbs. per square inch) jaws of any dog, and will
    not let go once they have hold of a victim. As to breeding, the have for
    many generations been bred for the single purpose of the fighting pit, from
    whence they got their name. Since the killing instinct is bred into them,
    they are most unstable when used for any other purpose, for in any stressful
    (to the dog) situation, they will attack the nearest target, be it another
    dog, or a child, or anyone else. My position ramains. The breed shoul be
    eliminated.

    Message: 52217
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MacGregor/unions
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 07:40:27

    My husband rufuses to do a union job! It cost him money everytime he did.
    About 10 years back, the last job that was union - he had plumbers, roofers,
    electricians etc. working at the site. He noticed that the roofers were
    sitting around and he went over and ask them to get to work. They wouldn't
    because there was 2 pipes (4 feet long and 2 inches thick) that was in their
    way. They said they couldn't move them because it was the plumbers job to do
    so. They had sat there over an hour and my husband still had to pay them (3
    men) for that hour. He picked up the pipe himeself! The union constantly
    sent out men that didn't do good work - yet were paid a high hourly wage.
    So, he vowed never to use union help again and hasn't. Now, the jobs go
    smoother - the owner saves money, so does my husband and the job gets done
    much earlier. Sometimes, if the job is real big, the union will come out and
    hassle him about not using union help - how un-American it is etc. He's even
    been threatened by them. When we lived in Calif. it was compulsory. But this
    state has the 'Right to Work' law. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. That example of the pipe and the roofers was just one of many like
    that.

    Message: 52218
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: and Drugs
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 13:14:58

         Drugs, Once upon a time I thought they should be illegal to purchase.
    I am talking about such things as heroin, cocaine and marijuana.  I don't
    like what drugs do to people (except when used for medical reasons), but the
    Governments "WAR on Drugs" is a flop!
         1) It's costing the taxpayer just too much money
         2) It makes the price of drugs very high, so users have to steal to
            support their habits.   (creates MORE crime)
         3) It's only profitable to the MOB and drug smugglers.
         4) We can NOT win.... You can not stop people from having what they
            want, prohibition has proven that  (Will government ever learn)
         5) Last but not least... DEATH of police officers trying to enforce
            unenforceable and silly laws.  Also the deaths of others...

         Now if DRUGS were made legal....
         1) The purity of the product (no rat poison etc.) (less deaths)
         2) Less crime because of lower prices (even with added taxes)
         3) Taxes collected like on beer and cigarettes (billions) that can be
            used for the good of the public.. (National debt payoff etc.)
            We would save Billions that are now spent on a win-less war.
         4) Less deaths period!

         People against the legalization of Drugs...  the MOB, and maybe
    even the Police/Law enforcement (Growth Industry).

    Message: 52219
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drugs again..
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 17:25:32

            Now do not confuse my post above, I do not LIKE the misuse of drugs,
    just like I don't care for drunk drivers.  I would perfer that the public
    be educated as to the correct use of drugs, not thown in jail as they are
    now for just possession.

    Cliff

    Message: 52220
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Lumbercabbies
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 17:45:13

      Log cabbin' through the city streets, we jam.  A Mountee
    prys a keystone too.  Know a veil.  He's gonna hafta blast
    'em loose.  Here, Donna, helm it while I scope for hope.
    Nope.  I don my helmet too await the buffet.  Wait.  Wait.
    BOOOONG! KAISHING GLANG-O-RANG-O-RANG-O-RING ring ring
    doodle doodle doodle.  It was a Checker.  They always go
    hard.  Its innards on the windshield.  Konda wipers and get
    dat muck off.  Helmet off a tributary away from these
    exploding traffic violators.  Wide bank it to the fast deep
    lane, 'cause they're parking up the wrong trees in the
    shallows.  A raft lashed with yellow reflective stripping -
    keeps 'em in their place.  Screw it all the way through the
    upper decks.  I want to see the free way.  The tires screek
    complaints and the whole buildling echoes its sympathy.

    Message: 52221
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on drugs
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 20:18:30

    One likely disadvantage of legalizing drugs would be that use would
    increase.  However, I agree with you that the social ills associated with
    drug laws outweigh this consideration.  Another point is that with the
    current "war on drugs," which is aimed at dealers, dealing drugs becomes
    more expensive because the increased risk of doing business is passed along
    to the customer.  This not only increases drug-related crime, it also
    enriches the pushers.  And with drug-dealing as risky as it is, it attracts
    a particularly unsavory element--people who have no qualms about protecting
    their enterprise through violence.

    The only way a "war on drugs" can be won is to crack down hard on the users.
    But this would be prohibitively expensive (lots more criminals to deal with)
    and it would lead to a loss of civil rights for all of us.  Pushers make a
    much easier political target than users, many of whom are normal people.

    War is an expensive enterprise, and Americans are simply not ready to really
    wage a war on drugs.  There is no justification for fighting an unwinnable
    war.  The time has come to surrender.

    Message: 52222
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: MacP
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 21:20:03

    Why did they ever stop wearing their Union suits?

    Perhaps that is the problem.

    Carol->
    VOID Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 1334
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Adkins
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:15:51

    Yeah, what happened?

    Message: 1335
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last few
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 12:36:13

            The joke was in poor taste... I will not talk about the details
    as it will serve no one.  I should not have even mentioned it, other than
    the fact...do not let your jokes go to far in sensitive areas.

    Message: 1336
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 17:50:31

    See what you started?  Silence is golden.

    Message: 1337
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/10/88  Time: 21:11:46

    Yes, James, tell us about the prank.

    Message: 1338
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Prank?
    Date: 05/11/88  Time: 07:28:05

    You mean we are losing Mark and no one is going to give us a little clue as
    to why? All the details do not need to be provided - just something.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1339
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/12/88  Time: 08:41:53

      Yeah, this "Don't do what you did before and no I'm not going to tell you
    what you did" attitude is annoying.

    ==========  Pascal  #(u,u)# Yawn!  MacProgrammer  ==========

    Message: 1340
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Prank
    Date: 05/14/88  Time: 22:39:09

    I agree with Steve.  It's a silly attitude.

    Message: 1341
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Prank
    Date: 05/15/88  Time: 18:28:07

    What's silly? Not talking?

    Message: 1342
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Has this Sig
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 21:22:17

    turned into a lot of one-liners?

    Message: 1344
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mark Adkins
    Date: 05/17/88  Time: 21:35:21

    Well, Cliff, I lost him, too, and CarolCom's didn't play any pranks on him.
    Maybe he is just busy or something. I miss him; his wit is wild!.

    Carol->

    (How do you spell unparalled? - it sure looks crazy - unparalleled? - that
    looks crazy, too!  Well, this is your crazy parasite with the wild pink
    parasol, saying ' Let the Paratroops parboil their own parcels and use
    paragoric if they run into the pain of a pariah or a parishioner whose
    parity is in parlance" - Gads!  I'da been better off in Parochial
    School...........(Pardon me, guys, for my parsimonious parsley)

      (Love it, go to correct that last line, to change the 'it' which should
    have been 'is' and ended up with PARISY)...There must be a parable in here
    somewhere...oh, well, Carol, at least you said a paragraph)

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