### Apollo BBS Archive - March 17, 1989

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    Mail from Sandy SYSOP
    Date: 03/16/89  Time: 21:49:52

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            Please take time out to call our Congressmen.
    What is happening on the Federal Leval at the moment is VERY scary.
    Tell (make) your friends call as well.

            Thanx,
                            Sandy SySop
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     1:        I would rather write.  Do you, by any chance, have an address?
     2:Thanks for the concern.  I share it as well.  A nation where the citizens
     3:are not permitted to have guns is a vunerable one, not only from within but
     4:from without.  Scary.
     5:                                        Rod
     6:P.S.  Say hi to Cliffy.  I've been burnt out on this system many times in
     7:the past.  A vacation was the only cure.
     8:end

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    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 04:18:00

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    I think he's gone from gambling to drug smuggling.
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     1:James Hawley got in last night.  Not once was he or his mom checked for
     2:drugs.  Wanna buy a kilo of coke?
     3:        James has a Taurus.  Cliff has it though as he wanted it in order to
     4:check the reloads that he is no longer doing.
     5:        I have been on under a host of names.  I am Zelda, David Roe,
     6:Mildred, and a few more.  Kinda fun.  Have you been on recently under
     7:another name?           -Rod
     8:
     9:P.S.  Good debate on drugs and guns.  Paul seems about the same as he is on
    10:religion, not giving an inch.  I logged onto the ASU Library computer last
    11:night and pulled off the drug data for uploading this AM.   I have tons of
    12:information, about 150K worth.  Interesting shit.
    13:end

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    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 04:19:46

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    Kinda like when King Kong was holding Jessica Lange in his hand, huh?
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     1:        I am pretty tired right now.  What does King Kong and Jessica Lange
     2:mean.  I must have forgotten something or other.
     3:end

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    Message: 5312
    Author: $ Cliff Winters
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sulking?
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 01:38:37

            Not me....  I thought I posted that No Reloads rather nice... Plain
    and to the point....  Looks like you guys want the facts!
    Okay, Fact one...  The reloader is not mine!  It belongs to Sandy.
          Fact two...  Sandy said it would be a BAD idea to do reloads for other
    people without having a good disclaimer for such things as Phantom Loads and
    High Primers...etc.   I did not give that much thought till she pointed out
    some legal nightmares I could get myself into.
           Fact three.  I was doing it more for FUN as the profit in such a
    venture was almost nill.   I also don't have the time I had a few months
    back and I do not need the money at all.

            Sulk....NOT ME!   Burnt out on BBSing... Yes!   But I still like you
    guys and I am pleased Sandy is doing a better job than I and as Paul said...
    "Who needs Cliff".

    P.S.  I have NO SYSOP powers under this name...  Neet being a mortal.

            Cliff Winters

    Message: 5313
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 07:07:12

    I do not agree with Paul - 'I need sysop Cliff'! Love you both, but you are
    the Mighty Sysop to me! She is doing a good job, but to coin an old saying
    ---- 'Two heads are better than one' - anyday! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5314
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mortal Cliff
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 08:52:10

            Do you have to pay an annual $tatus fee?

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    Message: 5315
    Author: $ Cliff Winters
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 18:02:31

            Errr, YES!  I pay the fee EVERY month to Ma-Bell or what ever she
    calls herself now days.  I have paid more than any of you... and I keep
    paying.  Giving up SYSOPing did not get rid of the Bill!

            I can't bare to read anymore then the PUB board and this SIG and I
    am already tired.  I will leave it to SANDY to fill me in on the rest....
    on a need to know basis.  There is life after Apollo by the way.

    Cliff Winters, retired sysopy

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    Message: 57620
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Guns
    Date: 03/16/89  Time: 21:48:31

            Have you called your Congressman lately?
            Now is the time to voice your opinion.
                        Remember .....
            When a government fears arms in the hands
            of the people, it is time for the people
            to fear its government.

            GET YOUR OPINION REGISTERED, NOW!

    SB386: Sen. DeConcini    261-6756
           Sen. McCain       241-2567
    HR669: Rep. Kyle         840-1891
           Rep. Rhodes       831-6433
           Rep. Stump        261-6923

    Message: 57621
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/16/89  Time: 22:11:55

      Why don't you list Udall's number? The rest of those guys are fairly
    reliable pro-gun legislators as it is, its Udall that needs to be reminded
    where he lives and who his constituents are once in a while. He does vote
    pro-gun sometimes, and it would be a good idea to try and influence him that
    way this time.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57622
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Drug News
    Date: 03/16/89  Time: 22:13:03

    Sensible News: The government finally admits that it cannot prevent people
                   from using drugs by arresting smugglers and dealers because
                   there are just too many of them. The huge demand causes new
                   sources of supply to pop up faster than they can react, and
                   prices continue to drop as supply gets better and better.

       Silly News: Now the government says it can prevent people from using
                   drugs by going after the 'users' themselves. You know, the
                   'users', those folks who are so determined and large in
                   number that they were able to finance the winning side of
                   the 'War On Drugs' (even though the losing side was taxing
                   everyone in the country).

      Future News: The government finally admitted that going after 'users'
                   was a big mistake. Public respect for the law has been
                   practically wiped out, the justice system's ability to deal
                   with real criminals is diluted even further, and drug use
                   has become harder to detect due to changes in the ways drugs
                   are packaged and used. The government now says that it must
                   crack down on the drug smugglers and dealers instead because;
                   they are much fewer in number, they are easier to spot, and
                   they are not as hard to convict since juries won't identify
                   with them so much. And around we go again.........

    Message: 57623
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taranto/Drugs
    Date: 03/16/89  Time: 22:14:52

       You ended your message with, "Any effective anti-drug strategy must
     emphasize that users are accountable for their actions and are not
     innocent victims of the drug dealers."
       If you took this admirable attitude a little further couldn't you say
     that anti-drug crusaders are accountable for their actions and are not
     innocent victims of the drug users? It is essentially the crusader's
     demands that others live according to their rules which make drug use
     such a serious problem in the first place. Nearly every major problem
     associated with illegal drugs stems from that illegality, rather than
     from the drugs themselves.
       Nobody dies in gun battles over supplies or distribution rights for
     alcohol anymore. Nobody has to risk death by consuming alcohol of unknown
     strength or quality anymore. Nobody has to live in a neighborhood where
     alcohol sellers encourage underage people to start drinking anymore.
     No longer does anyone have to live under the thumb of an alcohol crime
     syndicate or the corruption of police and the courts which they created.
     All these problems and more still exist with regard to drug use, simply
     because of the crusaders' lust for the power to control others.
       Yes, let us hold users 'accountable for their actions'. If they choose
     to partake of some substance or other and harm no other person, then
     let us not hunt and trap them like murders for it. Let us hold them
     accountable for any harm which they actually do, but not for bruising
     the crusaders' egos by ignoring them.
       See You Later,    Dean H.

    Message: 57624
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Capt. Freedom
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:00:33

    Bob has lung cancer.

    Some deity.

    Message: 57625
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 57612/James
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:05:28

    James, cocaine is ingested for one purpose, and one purpose only. Some may
    claim that it helps their productivity at work, or makes them more alert,
    but that is all bullpuckies. Being that cocaine is consumed solely for the
    purpose of altering the regular functions of the mind and body, I would have
    to say that NO, cocaine is NOT fine consumed in ANY amount.

    Message: 57626
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat

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     1:        Now, now, Daryl.  Bob doesn't have lung cancer, Bob is dead.  He was
     2:knocked off in San Francisco some years back.  But I think he came back from
     3:the dead to haunt us.  Bob is quite some guy.  -Rod
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    Message: 57626
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Opinions Vs. Fact
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:11:52

    It is so easy to say in an argument, "well, yes they did create wine solely
    for the purpose of getting drunk" or "marujuana[SIC], hash-hish[SIC] and
    heroin, peyote and mushrooms as well as alcohol" were as common in Biblical
    times as they are now, without providing one scintilla of evidence. However,
    to someone who is determined to cut through the pea-soup foggy-mindedness of
    "opinions-stated-as-fact" argumentation, it isn't worth a burnt corn
    tortilla. Especially when such "opinionated facts" come from the same source
    that attempts to state that Christ was a homosexual with a penis fixation.

    [A general post directed at no one in particular]

    Message: 57627
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Silence Be Broken
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:28:06

    I said I would not continue this discussion with you. Well it's hard not to
    when you claim to knock on my head and find nobody home. Well, Roddy ol'
    pal, sorry to burst your bubble, but I did make the mistake of trying
    marijuana once (at the urging of an older sister). Luckily, it produced no
    effect upon me at all (with the exception of a nagging headache), and I have
    never laid hands upon a single narcotic drug since. Here's a question for
    ya, Rod. What would be the benefits of making narcotic drugs legal? We're
    talking individual benefit as a citizen, not profit-wise. In a situation
    such as this you have to weigh the good against the bad. What restrictions
    would be imposed upon the places in which you could toke/shoot up/snort?
    Would these narcotic drugs be purchased as an item from a pharmacy, or would
    it be on the impulse rack next to the horoscope books and the Weekly World
    News in the 10-items-or-less lane? How would we go about keeping newly
    legalized drugs like crack out of the hands of impressionable youth? Would
    it be any more effective than the laws against teen alcohol or cigarette
    consumption (that are a joke in themselves). What would the government do,
    to keep my future son or daughter from coming into possession of a vial of
    legalized 100%-pure-no-additives-or-preservatives crack? Teaching begins in
    the home, but it is impossible for parents to hover over their children 24
    hours a day (that is, without giving the kid a complex). And how close to a
    reality do you REALLY think this is? If the government can take Primere
    "cigarettes" off the market for being a drug-delivery system (delivering
    nicotine, the same drug obtained by smoking the actual leaves), what makes
    you think that they are going to give the okay to legalize drugs?

    Message: 57628
    Author: Zelda Pulasika  *** THIS IS ME***
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Wine
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:49:35

     Mr. Westfal, wine is ingested for one purpose, and one purpose only. Some
    may claim that it helps their productivity at work, or makes them more
    alert, but that is bullpuckies. Being that wine is consumed solely for the
    purpose of altering the regular functions of the mind and body, I would have
    to say that NO, wine is NOT fine consumed in ANY amount.

    Message: 57629
    Author: Zelda Pulasika ***THIS IS ME***
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Christ
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 00:56:39

       To the person who said that our Lord was gay, all I must say is that you
    had better wash your mouth out with a strong soap. Jesus was not and is not
    a bloody faggot. He didn't swish or chase the guys. He was asexual, meaning
    that He had no sex life to begin with. He didn't need it. I tried being like
    Jesus in that respect but everytime I passed the 'nanas in the grocery store
    it was like they were reaching out for me.

    Message: 57630
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 04:34:35

    The government did not force R.J. Reynolds to remove Premiere cigarettes
    from the market. They were withdrawn due to poor sales.

    Message: 57631
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alcohol
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 04:38:43

    Actually, in Arizona it is legal to dring alcohol in your yard. The law
    prohibits consumption "in a public thoroughfare."

    Message: 57632
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 05:47:00

    Yes Ann,I was actually thinking it over and giving consideration to the
    arguments for legalization, but in the final analysis it makes no more sense
    than does the legalization of murder or any other crime.  THat we have a
    very serious problem is all too obvious. Just as obvious is the premise that
    there are no pat answers to the problem. Just as with the gun problem, while
    I can advocate personal gun ownership, and can suscribe to the premise that
    when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, I still cannot see the
    dope dealers running around conducting their territorial disputes with
    weapons that should never get into their hands in the first place. The fact
    is that drugs are the number 1 kiler in this country, either directly or
    indirectly. We have a frightening proportion of our children and young
    people, the only hope of our future, going down the tubes due to the abuse
    and misuse of drugs. Legalization of the product will not stop this, any
    more than repeal of prohibition stopped the kids from getting older people
    to buy booze for them. You are absolutely right in saying that I offered no
    viable alternative or workable solution to the problem, but then, neither is
    legalization. That is being supported by people who simply have not thought
    through all the consequences of such an action, and in good conscience I
    cannot support nor condone such a move. Until tighter reins can be put on
    the manufacture and/o/or import of dangerous drugs, I'm afraid the war must
    continue and intensify. I do not, however, agree with the local police
    policy of coming down harder on the end of the chain, the user. That seems
    to be totally
    futile and pointless.

    Message: 57633
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/numbers
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 05:59:38

    Gee Sandy, thanks for the phone numbers! I'll call them and lend my support
    to their efforts to get these people killers out of circulation. Thank
    goodness somebody is doing SOMETHING about the problem instead of sitting on
    their haunches and clucking their tongues! They aren't touching any
    legitimate hunting or target arms, nor are they affecting any honest
    citizen's right to keep and bear arms. Sounds like a good bill to me.

    Message: 57634
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob on Mildred
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 06:02:34

     I strongly suspect that Mildred is Rod Williams in drag, Bob.
    To put anything resembling sense into that little head is an exercize in
    useless. But of course you already know that.

    Message: 57635
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/#57596
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 06:30:01

    There is nothing wrong with daisies in the back yard, riding bicycles to
    work and thinking like Rod! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57636
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/drugs
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 07:04:39

    Your posts on not legalizing drugs don't make any sense at all. Why would
    drugs be advertized any more than hard liquor is now? I can't remember the
    last time I saw a whiskey commercial on TV. Can you?
    Re: kids getting ahold of booze, cigarettes and drugs - yes, there is a
    percentage that do and always will. But legalizing it would get the pushers
    off the street cornors - the ones that urge the kids to 'be cool' and take
    it! This is the only way a pusher can advertize his wares.
    One thing you forget - there are littlerly hundreds of thousands of drug
    users in the U.S.A. and they will continue to use it regardless of how awful
    and sinful YOU think it is! This IS NOT going to go away! There is NO Way it
    can be curbed, crushed or just disappear with the profit that is made from
    it. The same with drinking, cigarettes and gambling. Mankind has been doing
    those things since he's been here. We might as well be making a profit as a
    nation than give it to the pushers that become millionairs in their
    dealings. All that profit could go into the social security fund so it'll be
    here when you get old and need it or to balance the national debt. This
    isn't going to go away Daryl! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57637
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: drugs
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 08:18:56

    Shoot them all. no mor drugs!
                     Love you all
                     Ralph

    Message: 57638
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Premire "cigarettes"
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 08:47:34

            According to a couple of smokers I know, they tasted awful.  I do
    know they smelled like burning plastic.  They didn't emit smoke, but the
    smell was bad enough.

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    Message: 57639
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Crimes
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 08:51:09

            Murder should not be legalized because it involves an unwilling
    participant, the murdered.  Drugs only affect the user.
            Sure, a user may commit other crimes.  He should be punished for
    them, just as any other person should be.  Whether or not he used drugs is a
    nonissue.

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    Message: 57640
    Author: David Roe ***THIS IS ME***
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ASU LIBRARY INFO.
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 10:23:01

      One of the oldest known drugs, cannabis was acknowledged as early
    as 2700 BC, in a Chinese manuscript. Throughout the centuries it has
    been used both medicinally and as an intoxicant. The major psychoactive
    component of this drug, however, was not identified until the
    mid-1960s; this ingredient is tetrahydrocannabinol, commonly known as
    THC. At present, other cannabinoids explored.  Psychoactive compounds
    are found in all parts of the male and female plant, with the greatest
    concentration in the flowering tops. The content of these active
    compounds varies greatly from plant to plant, depending on genetic and
    environmental factors.

    Historical Perspective
      Humans have used drugs in various forms since prehistoric times.
    Primitive humans ate plants such as mushrooms, which had physiological
    effects. The ancient Romans and Greeks practiced a well-developed
    MEDICINE, using various plants and waters therapeutically. ALCOHOL,
    OPIUM, and the derivative of the hyoscyamus plant were used as
    ANALGESICS and SEDATIVES. The ancient Egyptians used opium for pain,
    castor oil for  worms, and animal blood, viscera, and burned sponge to
    treat goiter, which probably was a curative because of its iodine
    content. By the 16th century physicians were employing colchicum for
    gout, as is done today.         -David, P.S.  Hope this helps.

    Message: 57641
    Author: David Roe***THIS IS ME***
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Guns
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 10:27:51

            A nation that has its 'effective' guns taken away from its citizens
    is a nation in deep $###, if you know what I mean.  If assult rifles are
    banned and only five shot clips available for semi-autos watch out folks.
            Major crimes will still continue including mass murders without
    these weapons but with them also.  There are more assault rifles and large
    capacity clips than there are bibles.
            Good posts Ann.  -David

    Message: 57642
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zelda
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:27:13

    Certainly original, aren't we? I would agree with you that wine or any other
    alcoholic beverage is unsuitable at work. However, try and tell me that a
    glass of wine with a good Italian dinner is intended to alter one's sphere
    of reality. I will await a genuine response with truly original thoughts on
    the subject.

    Message: 57643
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/57630
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:29:36

    I'd check into that, Nick. RJR agreed to remove them from the shelves, not
    only because they were found to be a drug-delivery system rather than a
    cigarette, but that research found them to taste "beyond nasty." But they
    WERE found to be a drug-delivery system, and something like that placed on
    the market without FDA approval is not an incredibly bright thing to do.

    Message: 57644
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/57631
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:31:01

    Though a back yard certainly is not considered a public thoroughfare, a
    front yard usually faces (and is almost always in close proximity to) a
    public street, which is a public thoroughfare.

    Message: 57645
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Drugs
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:37:15

    (Huge sigh of relief) FINALLY, someone who is thinking rationally on the
    subject! And so you agree with me that legalizing drugs in itself is on par
    with legalizing murder in the sheer asinine nature of the consideration.
    When you place the pros and cons on the scale, the cons are likely to break
    the scale! Of course the drug users are going to support something like
    this. It will make it easier and cheaper for them to get what they want. BUT
    IT'S NOT going to make crime go away, AND IT'S NOT going to take the stigma
    away in the eyes of kids. Anyhow, how would it look, in the face of the
    "JUST SAY NO" campaign, for the government to turn around and say, "Ok,
    kids, now all these drugs that we have been telling you not to use? Well,
    we're gonna LEGALIZE them now, but just because their legalized and just
    because Uncle Sam is making money off of it, still...don't do 'em, 'kay?"

    Yeah, right.

    (Handshake Paul)
    Y.F.I.C.,
    Daryl

    Message: 57646
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/57635
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:38:07

    (Daryl sighs in dismay.)

    Message: 57647
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Double Sigh
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:43:11

    Ann, if you think a single pusher can sweet talk a bunch of kids into trying
    drugs, think of how many the media could sweep in. Looking for liquor ads?
    Billboards. Beer ads on TV. Rolling Stone. Spin. Cream. Circus. Just about
    any youth magazine you can think of with the exception of the 16s, Tiger
    Beats, and Teen Screams. M-T-V. Pop radio. Rock radio. Open your eyes, Ann,
    they are there. And what is the difference between hard liquor and beer or
    wine coolers? A kid really doesn't care about what will get him drunk. The
    teenage alcoholics who rely on hard liquor, I would imagine, are in the
    minority. Beer and wine coolers are the "hip" young adult liquor beverages
    now. And enough of them will get a kid kneeling before the porcelain altar
    in no time.

    Message: 57648
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/Drugs
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 11:45:23

    Whether or not he used drugs is a non-issue? Drugs alter a person's
    perception of reality. Drugs will cause a person to do things that he/she
    would not normally do sober. And when you've got that craving for a drug,
    and no money to obtain that drug with, what do you think you're going to do?
    Just sit there, and twiddle your thumbs until someone throws you a $20?

    Message: 57649
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Hell
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 15:31:22

    Re:  "If only 10 per-cent of humans go to hell (or even 1%) then hell must
    be a mighty big place."

    Hmmmmmmmm.  That means that 90 to 99% will go to heaven.  It must be even
    bigger!

    Message: 57650
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 15:39:29

    Re:  "I strongly suspect that Mildred is Rod Williams in drag, Bob."

    The thought had occured to me.  Naughty naught Rod!

    Message: 57651
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
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     1:        I have a question for you BoB.  Do you think that you would enjoy
     2:Heaven as much just knowing there are a certain percentage of the population
     3:that is being tormented for ever?  Just curious.
     4:end

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    Message: 57651
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 16:42:13

    I see you've gone from self-pity to self-righteousness.

    Message: 57652
    Author: $ Cliff Winters
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Rights?
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 17:54:23

            My right to buy and target shoot with an AR-15 has been violated!
    They do make good fun guns.  You know NOTHING about guns and your facts are
    false.  As for full autos... they are ONLY good when a wall of people are
    coming at you for defense.  They are not accurate and are hard to control in
    full auto mode... but you would know nothing about that, so you condemn
    them.
            I called those phone numbers and voiced my views on the facts....
    In short, I am against those bills for control. (House Bill 669 and Senate
    Bill 386)

            Paul, you have fallen for the tricks that lead to dictatorship.  You
    have sold MY rights down the river in favor of Government control because
    you can't take care of yourself.
            You want to fear something....  Try a bolt action high powered
    rifle.  I could pick you off no sweat from a 100 yards away with one shot.
    You CAN't do that with a full Auto.

            Boy, I am glad I gave BBSing up.  People that know nothing about a
    sport, claim to know everything.  I can't wait till the revolution to take
    back our rights given away by the people for safe butt wiping by government.

            One last question... Who gave Paul the right to decide what hobbies
    are fun and what is not?  I am glad Paul don't make my recreation schedules.
            Get me OUT-OF of here... (Poof)! C.W.

    Message: 57653
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 22:19:28

      I miss Cliff Kolostow.  He was more fun than the new cliff.

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    Message: 57654
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul/Daryl
    Date: 03/17/89  Ti

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     1:        Our initials are the same.  CW
     2:end

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    Message: 57654
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul/Daryl
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 22:30:10

    Paul and Daryl:
          Since its all the same to you whether a person uses an illegal drug
          or commits a murder, remind me never to party with you guys.

    Paul: You should get a paying position with the gun confiscation lobby. You
          are a regular fountain of misinformation on the subject of firearms
          legislation. The propaganda they put out saying that they are not
          outlawing 'legitimate' firearms or infringing anyone's rights comes
          from people who wouldn't know a revolver from an assault rifle, don't
          consider any firearm legitimate, don't recognize any rights involving
          firearms, and either don't understand the scope of the legislation
          they are proposing or don't mind lying about it.

       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57655
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 22:57:11

    I can think of a couple of reasons why the story didn't get bigger play (it
    did have front page, above the fold stories in the LA Times and San Diego
    Union, though).  One is that it still isn't certain that it was a terrorist.
    It may have been a disgruntled sailor -- or an Iranian student acting on his
    own.  The crudity of the bomb (or bombs) suggests that it wasn't a
    professional.  Second is that no one was killed.  If her van had been full
    of kids, and she'd been moving instead of in the left-hand turn lane, it
    would have been a bigger (and sadder) story.

    A friend of mine suggested that I do an editorial on the explosion.  She
    said "I mean, terrorism is stupid."

    Message: 57656
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Lung Cancer
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 23:34:54

            Now, now, Daryl.  Bob doesn't have lung cancer, Bob is dead.  He was
    knocked off in San Francisco some years back.  But I think he came back from
    the dead to haunt us.  Bob is quite some guy.  -Rod

    Message: 57657
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Heaven/Hell
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 23:40:15

            I have a question for you BoB.  Do you think that you would enjoy
    Heaven as much just knowing there are a certain percentage of the population
    that is being tormented for ever?  Just curious.

    Message: 57658
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff Winters
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 23:41:58

            Our initials are the same.  CW

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     1:        I would LOVE to answer you most recent posts concerning me and I
     2:will but all I'm good for right now is one or two lines.  In other words I
     3:am beat and need some beddy-bye.  I will answer in full detail over the
     4:weekend.
     5:        By the way, did you read David Roe's post about early mankind and
     6:drugs.  If you need more it is available.  ASU has a good library.
     7:
     8:        I'll get back with you.  If you do not understand the excellent
     9:posts put up by other users (Pauls' excluded) then your mind is out of its
    10:logic state and off on some religious fantasy and is being guided by
    11:something I've seen before, many times.  I sincerely hope you wake up one of
    12:these days soon.  I feel that it is too late for Paul but then again
    13:stranger things have happened before so there is always hope.
    14:
    15:        I have to go, I guess I typed more than two lines but my research is
    16:not yet complete and I have a hot date with Mildred and Zelda.  -Rod
    17:end

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    Message: 57659
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 23:51:26

            I would LOVE to answer you most recent posts concerning me and I
    will but all I'm good for right now is one or two lines.  In other words I
    am beat and need some beddy-bye.  I will answer in full detail over the
    weekend.
            By the way, did you read David Roe's post about early mankind and
    drugs.  If you need more it is available.  ASU has a good library.

            I'll get back with you.  If you do not understand the excellent
    posts put up by other users (Pauls' excluded) then your mind is out of its
    logic state and off on some religious fantasy and is being guided by
    something I've seen before, many times.  I sincerely hope you wake up one of
    these days soon.  I feel that it is too late for Paul but then again
    stranger things have happened before so there is always hope.

            I have to go, I guess I typed more than two lines but my research is
    not yet complete and I have a hot date with Mildred and Zelda.  -Rod

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    Message: 214
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 07:11:56

    I guess the REAL secret to life is finding that plain piece of white bread
    that tastes heavenly with out the drug(s) or booze. Er? -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:        Everything contains something that affect your mind.  I learned from
     2:LSD that a teeney-weeney substance can do a whole hell of a lot more than a
     3:two pound stake.  There are many teeney-weeney substances in everything we
     4:eat and if you are not aware that you should expect a reaction then whatever
     5:happens will be considered as a normal event.
     6:        When one takes acid or chews mushrooms then we expect a trip to
     7:happen and we watch for it.  But we know that it is susposed to happen.
     8:I've tripped out many times and never did know what it was I took.  But I
     9:had learned what tripping was so I was able to tell.
    10:
    11:                        Tripping out on life,
    12:                                Rod
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    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Drugs
    Date: 03/17/89  Time: 23:57:28

           Everything contains something that affects your mind.  I learned from
    LSD that a teeney-weeney substance can do a whole hell of a lot more than a
    two pound stake.  There are many teeney-weeney substances in everything we
    eat and if you are not aware that you should expect a reaction then whatever
    happens will be considered as a normal event.
            When one takes acid or chews mushrooms then we expect a trip to
    happen and we watch for it.  But we know that it is susposed to happen.
    I've tripped out many times and never did know what it was I took.  But I
    had learned what tripping was so I was able to tell.

                            Tripping out on life,
                                    Rod

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