### Apollo BBS Archive - September 9, 1989

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5876
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 07:11:24

    Why is resource-rich Canada so poor?

    Message: 5877
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 07:11:30

    Fine.

    Message: 5878
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Taranto/Canada
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 19:11:27

    Socialized medicine!

    Message: 5879
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Canada
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 19:25:41

    Resource-rich Canada is so poor because of Madatory Insurance .......

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 3386
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 07:12:21

    I'd kill him for nothing.

    Message: 3387
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 15:05:48

    Fine by me.

    Message: 3388
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last two
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 17:26:14

    Can I watch?

    Message: 3389
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat!
    Subject: JT on Hawley
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 19:30:20

            If you could go just a little bit lower than 'nothing', I will
    take you up on your offer ...........
    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 60810
    Author: Mister Deity   *** THIS WAS ME ***
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/Cliff
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 03:37:12

    Rod is rather sleepy and after reading your latest posts, He said that you
    both will get a more comprehensive answer tomorrow.  Bet you can hardly
    wait.

    Rod doesn't see His posts as NEGATIVE.  He hasn't been reading anything much
    at all except the Az. Republic.  His brain is somewhat 'over-active' and He
    likes to think up strange situations of a religous nature to expound upon.

    There hasn't been a religious discussion on this board in quite some while
    and He (Rod) likes to see if He has evolved in this topic.  He knows full
    well that the topic He chooses will turn to other matters.  He is enjoying
    'riling' up the Christians of Apollo during this period.

    He really hates when He types in the posts.  His face becomes contorted as
    Hell and many times one can see smoke pouring from His ears.  He keeps a
    sawed off shotgun on His lap and at times He just fires it into the ceiling
    for no apparent reason.

    Well, I am tired too.  It's been a long day and sleep will be soon to come.
    Even Deities need rest.  But you all must know that as it says in the Good
    Book, "and He rested on the seventh day."  Yawn!

                                            God

    Message: 60811
    Author: Ed Margraff
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Williams/60809
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 04:31:57

    What about John Tesh?

    Message: 60812
    Author: Ed Margraff
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Carter on Clampett
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 04:44:51

    Unlike Mr. Clampett, I have nothing against Texans.  People from Kansas,
    however, are the scum of the Earth.  They're so damn snotty, ever since the
    "Wizard of Oz".  You'd think they wrote the Holy Bible.  So they got a bunch
    of dwarfs to dress up in silly suits and inhale helium.  Do they have to
    plaster Miss Ruby Slippers' face up on every damn billboard and highway
    marker, like some sort of silly Greek Orthodox icon?

    Yes, I can definately understand where Mr. Clampett is coming from.  Kansas
    should be turned into a giant forced labor camp.  I'd prefer to carpet bomb
    it, but we need the wheat, I'm afraid.  I also wish that George Bernard
    Shaw was alive, so that I could pull out his beard hairs one-by-one.  Also,
    anyone bearing a superficial resemblance to Oscar Wilde should be flogged.
    There.  I've spoken my piece, Mr. High-On-His-Tin-Ivory-Tower Carter.  How
    do you like THEM APPLES, buddy boy?!!

    Message: 60813
    Author: Jed Margraff
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: dullards
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 05:04:47

    I'm going to marry the very next BBS user who can distinguish between
    vituperation and burlesque, be it man or woman.

    Message: 60814
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 05:48:24

     For your information, my friend, I think that APS and it's parent
    corporation is the biggest ripoff that even this state, known for ripping
    off the public, has ever seen. Not only are it's rate payers footing the
    bill for it's capital investments (Palo Verde being the most obvious), an
    unheard of state of affairs, but the suckers are also paying through the
    noses for Pinnacle West's bad judgement calls, such as Merabank and one or
    two other losers.
     Mofford's attempt to further assess APS $44 million, which will probably
    never see the light of day, would not affect me, since I live in a SRP area,
    and would not put my money into any S&L, let alone Merabank, who seems to
    have such a penchant for poorly managing the money placed in their trust.
     My sympathy really goes to all the little people who are being so hard
    pressed by exorbitant power bills that all they can do is watch their hard
    earned money go down the bottomless pit of Pinnacle West policies.
     What's the answer Cliff? Darned if I know! I just know that, when I look
    for another place to live, one of the first things I ask is who serves up
    the power. If it's APS, I forget the next question and leave.

    Message: 60815
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/ Jeff & my wife
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 05:50:20

    And I thought I was keeping a pretty good eye on her too! Oh well it just
    shows to go ya. Never trust a smiling dog or a working woman!

    Message: 60816
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Christianity
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 06:01:22

     Atheists and agnostics do not refrain from running amok because they don't
    believe in the Ten Commandments, Ann. They refrain from running amok for the
    same reasons all the rest of us do. There are laws that prohibit such
    behaviour, and nobody wants to run afoul of the law. Those laws, at least
    most of them, just happen to have their foundations in the original
    commandments and laws given to Moses by God. Ask any lawyer. Our modern laws
    have been modified, of course, and many of them have been based on situation
    ethics, but the foundation is there, nevertheless.
     As to the Inquisition , Crusades, (the reformation wasn't bloody), or the
    situation in Ireland, don't blame "Christianity". Those events were people
    problems, not Christian problems. Christianity is God's way of reaching out
    to the world in love. Many people down through the years have, as people
    will, twisted and warped the Christian message for their own purposes, for
    personal gain or whatever reason. Try to look past the people and to the God
    of the message, and you will get quite a different perspective.

    Message: 60817
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff Polynesians
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 08:02:00

    I have read about them and I think your discription was a little harsh. My
    point was - Christianity made them worse, not better. All uncililized
    cultures were brutal to a certain extent and murdered one another - but take
    a look at our Christian nation. I would say we are 85% Christian - but our
    jails are full - crime is on the rampage - religion has become a business
    etc. etc. etc.
    When the missionaries went to Tahiti - it was a paradice of happy people. If
    there was brutality and murder, it was rare. What in the heck did the
    Commandments do for them except to put the fear of God in them? They didn't
    think nakedness was a sin until we told them so. They had their gods, why
    didn't we leave them alone? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60818
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 08:21:31

    I was not talking about obeying the laws - was talking about everyday living
    with our fellow man. I.E. treating people fairly when you are in a business
    - not passing around nasty gossip about someone - helping on old lady cross
    the street - doing things for others without rewards - forgetting and
    forgiving etc. - those kind of things that have nothing to do with being a
    Christian or a religion.
    Re: the Inquisition, Crusades and the Reformation (yes it was bloody! Where
    did you get the idea it wasn't?) and Ireland - why arn't the Christians
    blamed for those events? Who else to blame? I said it before and I'll say it
    again "more people have died over the centuries in the name of God than for
    anything else, including all our great wars!" This also includes other
    countries with other gods - Mohammed, Buddah, Allah etc. I don't know about
    those other religions, but Christians should have known better. Right? Don't
    they have the Commandents as their guide - the Bible? The latter is bloodly
    itself. Not blame the Christians? Who the heck do you blame? The Atheists?
                          -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60819
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 14:07:51

    Re:  "I have noticed that some people see hate in my messages but that hate
    is
    what is in their soul, not mine."

    Rod, I can understand why some would think there is "hate" in your messages.
    After getting to know you better I know you don't hate Christians, but there
    was a time I thought you did.  It was because of your harsh words. ie.
    Die hard religionists still keep the
    faith until their body and brain die.
    When you say things like that, some take offense and think you hate them.
    And we know that you have said a lot worse.

    Re:  "I save every last message
    that appears on this system."

    Are you kidding me?  How many megabytes do you have stored so far?  I used
    to save a lot from the BBS,s but it was accumulating at the rate of about 2
    megs a month.  Now I just keep it for about a month and dump it.

    Message: 60820
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 14:18:46

    Re:  "they wear white sheets at night, make their black brothers ride in the
    back
    of the bus.  And won't eat in the same restaurants as they."

    Christians don't do those things either.  It certainly isn't in the Bible.
    On the contrary, the Bible says to love your neighbor as yourself.  From
    what I read in the newspaper, I would say there are a lot of people who
    claim to be Christians yet they lie, hate, and murder.  But if you are
    familiar with what the bible teaches, you know that people who lie, hate,
    and murder cannot be following Jesus' example.

    You seem to make a point of singling out weirdos who claim they do their
    thing in the name of Christ and then using them as an example of how wrong
    and bad Christians are.  That's distortion.

    Message: 60821
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 14:19:49

    Re:  "co-dependent Jesus freak"

    What's that?  I haven't heard that term before.

    Message: 60822
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mr. Deity
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 14:22:18

    Re:  "He really hates when He types in the posts.  His face becomes
    contorted as
    Hell and many times one can see smoke pouring from His ears.  He keeps a
    sawed off shotgun on His lap and at times He just fires it into the ceiling
    for no apparent reason."

    What a riot!  I got a good laugh at that one.  I can just picture it in my
    mind.

    Message: 60823
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 14:29:51

    Re:  "I would say we are 85% Christian"

    I would say the number is a lot lower than that.  I know a lot of people
    claim to be a Christian, sort of like:

    Hey!  Are you a Christian?  Sure I'm a Christian; I was born in America
    wasn't I?

    I think a lot of self proclaimed Christians don't even know the meaning of
    the word.  They don't read the Bible; they don't follow it's guidlines, and
    if they pray, it's usually to ask for a new car or something like that.  I
    would say the number of Christians in the US of A is more on the order of 20
    percent.

    Message: 60824
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Margraff
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 16:59:37

    I think anyone whos last name contains two "f's" should be
    microwaved at CBS's main feeder during re-runs of The Wizard of
    Oz. This oughtta remove the plastic veneer.

    So, Mr. Swim-around-in-the-ignorance Margraff. How do you like your
    Microwaves? Pulse modulated of phase modulated ?

    Message: 60825
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rods minions
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 17:01:14

    No wonder the landlord is upset with him. He keeps blowing
    them there holes in the roof with that scatter gun.

    I *HATE* to see good ammo go to waste.

    Message: 60826
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ed Margraff/Tesh
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 17:29:45

    Sure, why not?

    How'se about making it simple, "I hate everything and everybody".  Hope
    that covers it.  Trustfully, this will make some people happy.

    Message: 60827
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Megabytes
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 17:40:41

    I have the past two and a half years of Apollo on my current system disks.
    Each disk holds 716K and I have quite a few that are full.  On my previous
    C-64 system I have about a year, year and a half on disk.

    Of course I do not have anything from the FEMale SIG but I do have quite a
    lot from CHRISTIANS OF APOLLO SIG.  Interesting SIG there.

    When a person, any person carries around hate it consumes them and acts as a
    negative influence.  This saps strength.  The opposite is true of love as
    you should know.  I have a lot of love in me.  But on the other hand I like
    to get into some heads.  If they hate me for my message content then it is
    their loss, not mine.  People need to think more.  Bye Bob

    Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit Chat

    Subject:Yo HO, Bob again.

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:The term co-dependent Jesus freak was yelled over my shoulder as I was typin
     2:in that message.  I don't know what it means, I am just a robot for Satan.
     3:
     4:Which entity or non-entity would you like me to have, My Dinner With......
     5:next, Bob.  How about Satan?  Or Jesus?
     6:
     7:And once someone has read the Bible then it is time to get on to better and
     8:more modern books.  Sure, I read it quite a few times when I was a fool for
     9:Christ.  But I learned not to live in the past and believe in myths.
    10:
    11:I try to lead a good life and I treat others like I would like them to treat
    12:me.  This has NOTHING to do with ANY religion.  It has everything to do with
    13:a human animal trying to survive and be happy in a far from perfect world.
    14:
    15:I truly believe that Christianity (as well as other cult type groups) has
    16:done far more damage to humans than it will ever do good.
    17:
    18:                                Rod
    19:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 60828

    Message: 60829
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike/ammo
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 17:50:37

    But I have pictures of many of the Apollo crowd pasted on my ceiling.  After
    each shot I feel less stressful.

    Message: 60830
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 18:55:01

    I think far more people have been killed in the name of socialism (primarily
    atheistic) than in the name of religion.

    Message: 60831
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod on Think
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 22:19:16

            I do think Rod... but because I don't think like you, you will keep
    insulting my mind as being an unthinking mind.   So who slings the insults?
    Answer... But Rod of course!  Why?  Because he HATES Christianity!

            Not all KKK are Christians...  There are those who JUST DON'T LIKE
    BLACKS, and that is all there is to it.  Why do you Rod, Lump ALL
    Christians behind the mistakes of the few?  Man makes mistakes.. He never
    claimed to be PERFECT... but this is all part of FREE WILL!  Good and Bad,
    and Right and Wrong can be like Day and Night.  There are opposites for
    almost everything.  A life style as a pefectly programed robot does not
    excite me one bit!

            I Accept the challenge that life brings with it... I ain't no wimp
    that thinks the world owes me a free ride in life.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60832
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann: Answer
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 22:28:30

            Blame the Christians?  Blame the Atheists?  Who?  Why not just blame
    "Man" for the errors!  Paul answerd your question...  I think you failed to
    read it carefully.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60833
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Tips & Tricks
    Subject: ill CMD
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 22:53:29

            Note to Bob Thornburg...  Nice posts with Quotes taken from other
    posts..  Great touch...but  Look at your post 60820 for example.  You could
    fix those first 3 lines with a very simple cmd while in the editor (when
    entering the message before saving)  The cmd I talk about is the ill cmd.
    It will take sever partial lines and make them into full lines.  Just for
    laughs, why don't you do a  cmd (Update In Place) and then use the
     cmd and when it askes what lines, answer with a 1-3 (Meaning lines one
    to three).
            This post was for you others that do not know this long standing cmd
    in the editor.. It Fills in the lines or brings scattered text together.

    CMDs like
    this can
    work very well
    when one hits a return
    key
    to soon. I will do this below EXACTLY like I have done it on the last
    seven lines.  But I will use the ill cmd on them.

         ^__ Above seven lines before a ill____ Below what a ill would do.

    CMDs like this can work very well when one hits a return key to soon. I will
    do this below EXACTLY like I have done it on the last seven lines.  But I
    will use the ill cmd on them.  *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60834
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: For Dear Traci!
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 23:05:23

      Traci Kathryn Sibel and Ronald Duane Dennis were Married today (September
    9th) at "Christ the King Lutheran Church"

            A very warm 'Congratulations' from the Apollo SYSOPs Sandy & Cliff.

                    *=*  Happy Honey Moon *=*

    (-;}

    Message: 60835
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: .GIF files
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 23:12:06

            There are two art files in the ibrary uploaded by Anny ASSP the
    Artist...  They are of the .GIF format available to the IBM type computers.
    What I need to know is, can any of you Atari ST, Macintosh or other type
    computers work with these files as well?  If anyone does so, please let me
    know.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60836
    Author: Karl Fulves
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike C.
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 23:59:33

    I prefer quaternary amplitude modulation, myself.

    Message: 60837
    Author: Karl Fulves
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/whom to blame
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 00:05:08

    John Tesh?

    Message: 60838
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Cat.GIF
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 00:36:31

            I just gave it the correct name in the ibrary of OCELOT.GIF.

    For you that have ownloaded it...  was it GREAT or what?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  Makes my HORSE that I am drawing look like kindergarden stuff...
    Sniff!  (TM) Dean McCarron

    Message: 60839
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Out at the Range...
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 00:40:55

            Well, I hang my head in shame....  I did not get a 90% or better
    this time out, so I am back at ground ZERO to try and earn my pin...
    They don't call this the "Toughest Shooting Course" in the Nation for
    nothing!   I am off to bed now... to CRY!

            Please Lord, let me knock the snot out of them next week.... Ha ha

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*  Cross out the 'Mighty' and insert 'Wimp'

    Message: 60840
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 09/10/89  Time: 01:28:40

    Now that was a good prayer.

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