### Apollo BBS Archive - July 3, 1988

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    Message: 3845
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 00:17:28

    Yeah, but don't worry.  It doesn't take a very good lawyer to sue for
    malpractice.

    Message: 3846
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 00:58:16

            That's true, David, but it takes a good lawyer to win.

    Message: 3847
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 12:44:11

    What is your profession?

    Message: 3848
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 13:13:42

    He's a student

    Message: 3849
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 13:44:20

    heehee...

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    Message: 3851
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 17:19:09

    And a darn good one.
    Actually "textbook punk" is a little inappropriate, because virtually all of
    my textbooks are written by leftist idiots.  That's OK, though, because many
    of my professors are leftist idiots.

    Message: 3852
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 18:54:51

    Better a leftist idiot than a rightist idiot.

    Message: 3853
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 23:10:46

    A student majoring in what?

    Message: 3854
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:06:25

    Economics.

    Message: 3855
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:06:57

    Well, that's true.  When you're a leftist idiot, you have more company.

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     1:        Would he be considered a leftist or rightist idiot

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    Message: 1561
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 00:19:37

    Yeah, but it was really Cliff that put that Thang in your yard.

    Message: 1562
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: bull$#!+
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 03:35:43

    I yam what I yam
    And that's what I yam;
    I'm Popeye the sailor man:
         Toot!!!  Toot!!!
    I eat all my spinach and
    Fight to the finish,
    I'm Popeye the sailor man;
         Toot!!!  Toot!!!

    Message: 1563
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: David/Thang
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 08:00:56

    No - Cliff did not put Thang in my yard, but I know who did! Ta ta.
    =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. I can't believe that we've been talking about Cliff's penis like we
    have and he hasn't made a comment in the last couple of days. Somehow, I
    feel the 'wrath of the Mighty Sysop' is gonna come down on us soon!
    =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 1564
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 14:01:32

    Has anyone else noted the similarities between Zak and Dan Deacon's
    style of verbage?
    I think it has something to do with getting "Porked' in the wrong places.

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     1:        No, but I have noted that your verbage and Dan's is quite similar in
     2:many cases.
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    Message: 1566
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Ann/Cliff's thang
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 18:03:37

    Well the reason Cliff isn't complaining more is bacause this is the most
    attention his thang has ever gotten.

    Message: 1567
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 18:59:27

    Mike, you're getting old.  You used to have such sharp wit.  Now you've done
    yourself wrong, resorting to the embarassingly unoriginal tactic of
    questioning heterosexuality in a fellow male.  Do yourself a favor:  go back
    to the thesaurus, old man.

    Message: 1568
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 18:59:42

    Who left the thang in your yard?

    Message: 1569
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 22:29:57

    Come on Mike. We all know that you are capable of a better message
    then that last post.  I didn't think that it would ever be possible
    but it is. We would like you to go back to the thesaurus.
    What am I saying???

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     1:        I can vouch for Zak, he not only got Noel pregnant but he porked two
     2:of my daughters.  Which two, I won't say.

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    Message: 92
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 01:00:44

            Did anyone tell you that your BUTT is out of joint?

    Message: 93
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:26:41

    Go play with primer caps.

    Message: 94
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Sandy/my butt
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 08:03:02

    I'll have you know my 'butt' is not out of joint. It is perfection! Of
    course, so is yours! (See, I learned!) =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

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     1:        Will the biggest ass please make a comment.
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    Message: 52947
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 07/02/88  Time: 23:31:12

      Winston Smith, the rebellious party member, will be
    captured, tortured and the ultimate triumph of doublethink
    will be the expression of his total defeat as total victory
    - "He had won the victory over himself.  He loved Big
    Brother."  But the proles go on and on, "living and partly
    living"; they are the slumbering mass that no ruler can ever
    either eliminate or withstand, that no ruler can ever truly
    rule.  It is banal to say that the working people have a
    right to earn a decent wage and live in peace and freedom,
    but it is the same important banality of two plus two making
    four, and one of the finest things about Orwell is his
    persistence in these half-forgotten banalities.  In these
    hysterical times, when the dictator Franco is the hero of
    the right and the dictator Tito is the hero of the left, and
    when the common working people of England have botched one
    of their greatest chances, Orwell's determined faith in
    these common working people with their football pools
    reminds one of a fine man's love for a thoroughly foolish
    woman.
      "Only there, in those swarming disregarded masses,
    eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the
    force to destroy the party ever be generated," Orwell wrote
    in that strange tone of mixed bitterness and faith that
    comes from a sense of unnecessary failure.  "The party could

    Message: 52948
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 07/02/88  Time: 23:35:59

    not be overthrown from within ...  But the proles, if only
    they could somehow become conscious of their own strength,
    would have no need to conspire.  They needed only to rise
    up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies.  If
    they chose they could blow the party to pieces tomorrow
    morning....
      "But if there was hope, it lay in the proles.  You had to
    cling on to that.  When you put it in words, it sounded
    reasonable; it was when you looked at the human beings
    passing you in the street that it became an act of faith."

    Message: 52949
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 00:24:41

    You're hopeless.

    Message: 52950
    Author: Midnight Economist
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: William R. Allen
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 01:24:49

    The means to satisfy wants are *scarce*.  We want more than we can have.
    Scarcity gives rise to *competition* and *conflict*.  And yet in a viable
    society we must live together in general confidence, with coordinated
    activity.  How can there be peaceful and efficient coexistence of aquisitive
    and uncooperative people in a stingy world?
      The motives of people are essentially the same everyplace--to increase
    material welfare and to express personality.  But social arrangements,
    including economic systems, differ greatly in the extent to, and the manner
    in, which goals may be pursued.  Scarcity exists in all societies; how
    *adaptation* to scarcity is made varies from community to community.
      Use of violence is one way of resolving conflicts.  Thomas Hobbes, the
    English seventeenth-century political theorist, explained the problem of
    order when people seek to satisfy their diverse desires with scarce
    resources: "...if any two men desire the same thing, which nevertheless they
    cannot both enjoy," he says "they become enemies."  And in the anarchical
    state of nature, "the life of man [is] solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and
    short."
      Hobbes resolves the problem of order by introducing a ruler to whom each
    man shall "give up [his] Right of Governing [him]self."  People are to enter
    into a social contract with an absolute sovereign, Hobbes tells us, "to keep
    them in awe, and to direct their actions to the Common Benefit."
    One may reject violence as a mode of interpersonal relations and still be
    dissatisfied with the Hobbesian Big Brother resolution of the problem.
    Instead of state-imposed order, how about mutual bribery?  We tend to class

    Message: 52951
    Author: Midnight Economist
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Professor Allen
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 01:26:55

    as immoral all bribery.  But is it immoral to induce people to do what you
    wish by making them *better off*?  Let Adam Smith, the Scottish thinker of
    the eighteenth century, explain:
      Man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is
      in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only.  He will be more
      likely to prevail if he can intrest their self-love in his favor, and show
      them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires...
      Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want... It is
      not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we
      expect dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.  We address
      ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love.

      Is this a grubby view of the world and how to adapt to scarcity?  Well,
    the world *is* grubby.  We *are* confronted by scarcity.  And so conflict
    *does* exist.  Are we to adapt through giving up our individual freedom and
    responsibility to Hobbesian central control--or adapt through mutually
    beneficial coordination of self-interested actions in a free market?
    Acquisitive, self-serving drives exist.  Are we to try forever, with Hobbes,
    simply to supress them--or with Smith, to channel them to fruitful ends?
    Are we to be content to constrain behavior and block energies from
    undesirable path--or garner reciprocal gains of free men in pursuit of
    individual advantageous results?
                    -- William R. Allen, Economics Professor, UCLA

    Message: 52952
    Author: Zak Woodruuf
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ...
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:12:40

    Kill the geeks!!!!

    Message: 52953
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Peter Cervelli
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:29:54

    Beau Dog payed Peter Cervelli $20.  Peter stated that he would now donate
    that money to the Apollo BBS fund.

    Message: 52954
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:52:47

    If I didn't know you better, I'd be inclined to say that you are in the
    midst of a serious depression.

    Man has done many wonderful things. You can choose to ignore them and dwell
    on the negative, but the fact is that while you sit at your keyboard and
    complain about man's inhumanity, there are a good many out there trying to
    do something to improve things.

    Message: 52955
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: "Zak Woodruuf"
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 03:30:27

    Kill the geeks?  Is that the best you can do, JT?  You have the nerve to
    criticize me for writing stupid messages, which, of course, I do, and all
    YOU can come up with is "kill the geeks"?

    What a hypocrite.

    Just another representative of this age of chaos.

    Message: 52956
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/nature
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 07:56:34

    Mother nature DOES 'pull the plug' sometimes -- I.E. AIDS - the Greenhouse
    Effect! We are paying the price for over indulgence! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52957
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod on TAXes?
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 09:42:37

            If EVERYONE payed their fair share of TAXes, maybe the ones that
    pay now would not have to pay so much.  Taxes are suppose to be a way every-
    one chips in for the roads and other common property we use.  When there are
    people that do not pay..(thinking they are so smart and the exception) the
    load gets heaver on the ones that do pay.
            This is suppose to be an 'Everyone' involved system... sort of like
    that stupid 'Peoples enviormental Army' of yours...  but just like this
    present system, there would be people that would think it did not apply to
    themselves.   Rod, you're a hypocrite!

    SYSOP

    Message: 52958
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: New laws
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 11:14:42

    In the paper today, they listed the 'New Laws from the 38th
    Legislature'. Some are very good, some partially and some are extremely
    bad and not solving a thing. One of the good one's is - "The state
    board of Education will have to set minimum grade standards for
    students who participate in extracurricular activities. (I.E. sports)
    Unfortunately, it is still on the governor's desk, but I assume it
    means it will pass.
    Some of the very bad one's ---- "PROOF OF AUTO INSURANCE': to better
    enforce the mandatory insurance law, police will be required to ask for
    proof of insurance when they stop motorists and confiscate the license
    plates of those driving with suspended tags. The State will seek out
    those who have cancelled or expired policies. Also sets up a commission
    to study why Arizona insurance rates are so high." (Signed)  This one
    doesn't make a bit of sense. Why didn't they study why the rates were
    so high BEFORE they condemned us with mandatory insurance? And they are
    going to take our plates away on the spot! This will create law brakers
    because people need to go to work to make enough money to pay the damn
    high insurance rates! They'll just find other, illegal plates to put on
    it temporarily.
    Another bad one: - "Chances will increase that murderers of police
    officers will get the death penalty. Judges now will consider the
    murder of a police officer an aggravating circumstance in determining
    whether a defendant should be sentenced to life in prison or death"
    (Signed!) This doesn't make sense either. Is a police office's (cont)

    Message: 52959
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 11:15:59

    (Cont.) life anymore precious than anyone else's? If we have the death
    penalty, why not use it at all times, without fail in charges of 1st
    degree murder?
    New SIN Laws: - "The State will crack down on Peep Show operations,
    imposing special building and lighting requirements and clamping a
    limit on their inventories of sexual devices." (On the gov. desk!) I
    have no idea what this one means. Does it mean that when the men go in
    the little booths to watch the girly shows, it has to be better lit?
    For what purpose? So some one can look in and see that he is not
    'fooling with himself'? Drooling? Eyes bugging out? What? And they are
    going to limit the inventories of sexual devices? What different does
    it make if a store owner has 5 or 500? He isn't going to stock up more
    than the supply demands anyway.
    "The State will impose limits on alcohol consumption at clubs featuring
    nude dancing in an attempt to close down such establishments" (On gov.
    desk) Another idiotic law that no doubt will pass. Why limit the
    consumption? Why not just none at all? And they 'are attempting to
    close such establishments? Why? It's legal and there is a certain
    percentage of demand. Also, what is 'limiting the consumption'? One
    drink - two - more? Some people can get roaring drunk on two drinks.
    They can also be more than half drunk when they enter the place. From
    the beginning of time, men have got together, drank and watch nude
    women dancing and cavorting. They finally had the intelligence to have
    it legalized, and now they want to stop it again. (Cont.)

    Message: 52961
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: cont.
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 11:26:00

    The worse one in my opinion - "The question of whether women - like Gov.
    Rose Mofford, - should be allowed to hold the State's top offices will be
    put before the voters Mov. 8. Currently, the Az. Constitution allows only
    men to hold the state's top five offices, but the provision is superseded by
    federal law"! I thought women had equal rights in everything now? Why do we
    have to vote on it anyway? It's unconstitutional - so just get rid of it
    immediately! Why is Rose in there if this is a law? Stupid! They should have
    gotten rid of that law 20 years ago, or better yet, never had it to begin
    with! Why should anyone else vote on whether I can run for high office or
    not if I want to? This is an insult to women and I resent it very much.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52962
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Bad news for sure!
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 11:26:46

    I just heard some news that is more important than the last few posts I
    wrote about. --- My husband just told me We (america) just shot down a
    Iranian civilian air lines over the gulf with 288 people on board!
    I think I will immediately start believing in GOd and get down on my
    knees and pray that Iran doesn't have the 'bomb'! Going to go listen to
    the details! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52963
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: closing down busines
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 13:09:54

    s...  The adult bookstores, if the law passes, will *not* have booths for
    watching peep shows.

    The alcohol-consumption bill is aimed at the Alaskan Bush Company, which
    does not have a liquor license but instead allows its customers to bring
    their own booze.  This pisses off the powers-that-control-liquor-boards and
    the powers-that-own-topless-places because they lost a lot of business to
    this place and the liquor board can't touch them.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 52964
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: SAMIZDAT!
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 14:48:29

      "In Germany they first came for the Communists and I
    didn't speak up because I was not a Communist.  They came
    for the Jews but I didn't speak up because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists but I didn't speak up
    because I was not a Trade Unionist.  Then they came for the
    Catholics but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
      Then they came for me - and by that time no one was left
    to speak up."
                         Pastor Niemoller
                         (a victim of a Nazi Concentration Camp)

    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain temporary
    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                         Benjamin Franklin

    Message: 52965
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Tru Fax
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 14:59:24

    From USA Today, June 23, 1988, by Steve Marshall:

                 Inmate: I died, so my term's over
      Jailhouse lawyer Jerry Rosenberg goes to court today with
    a creative argument to get out of the life sentence he's
    serving for killing two police officers in 1963.
      Rosenberg, 49, says he's already died once - during heart
    surgery two years ago.  So, his reasoning goes, he has
    already served his sentence.
      Ridiculous, says Assistant Attorney General Ken Goldman,
    who will handle the case for New York's Auburn Correctional
    Facility.
      Rosenberg says not to count him out.  Before he even got
    his law degrees by mail, he found a loophole that got his
    death sentence reduced to life.
      The inmate, subject of a book and a TV movie, says, "the
    whole world is watching this one."
      Rosenberg has been in the hospital for the past month for
    treatment of several ailments, including an irregular
    heartbeat, headaches and the worsening of two hernias in his
    chest associated with heart surgery he had in 1986.
      During surgery, Rosenburg's heart stopped and he was
    revived with electric shocks.

    Message: 52966
    Author: Richard Johns
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 15:32:18

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    Message: 52967
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Amerika
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 16:29:18

            Obviously the government is doing something wrong as evidenced by
    the decline of the U.S. of A..  It seems that Japan may be our new owners if
    we do not develop a spirit of togetherness.   In order for that to happen,
    the rich capitalists will have to start taking less of a profit and turn it
    over to the working class.
            My objection is that there is too large of a division between the
    classes, too many poor and struggeling while the well-to-do seem to be
    ignoring the problem and manage to raise taxes each year.  This raise, of
    course, falls on the backs of the struggleing class.
            I am all for a workable nation but we aren't working together at
    all.  We are a nation divided and we had better get our 'stuff' together
    before the creditors move in and take over.
            We must eliminate the everyday stresses of the poor or else.

            It seems to me that we are a paranoid nation which spends too much
    man hours and material on war.  Einstein said: "You cannot simultaneously
    prevent and prepare for war."  Quite a lot of our taxes go for this
    endaveor.                               Rod

    Message: 52968
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 17:29:57

    You say the rich "manage to raise taxes each year."  Taxes have not been
    raised in nearly forty years.  Inflationary bracket creep resulted in
    effective tax raises, but the tax cuts of the Reagan administration
    compensated for some of this.  It also resulted in the rich paying a larger
    share of total taxes.

    Message: 52969
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Cooling Sun
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 23:37:30

    Another group of scientists has proof that the sun is cooling off as it does
    for a while every 130 years or so. When asked about the fact that other
    scientists are claiming proof that the Greenhouse Effect is upon us, their
    spokesman said that if there is such a thing it will be fortunate for us.
    You can be confident that none of this will put a stop to any of the other
    scientists with conflicting end-of-the-world scenarios no matter what the
    outcome.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 52970
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Everyone/Rod
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 23:44:57

      It should be obvious that when Rod asks what good has man done he does not
    mean anything which benefits man. To his inverted logic and viewpoint it is
    that which lowers or destroys man that is to be applauded. If you want to
    earn his five bucks you will have to change tactics and bring up things like
    the amount of plants, worms, and animals that have fed on the carcasses of
    dead humans over our history.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 52971
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:15:50

    All he has to do is look up from his keyboard and look around.  His kids are
    bringing joy (and yes, annoyance) into each others life everyday.
    But let's say his premise is true, and man has contributed nothing.  What
    attitude should we adopt in order to change that?  Rod's nihilistic, dead
    end viewpoint, or a doctrine of personal responsibility?

    Message: 52972
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/taxes
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:36:58

            There is an organization that figures, each year, the amount of days
    necessary to work in order to pay ones taxes.  Each year it creeps up by
    several days.  This year, I believe it is from Jan.1 to May 3., up two days
    from last year.  If this trend continues, I hate to think about it.
                                    Rod

    The SYSOP intervenes...
    :just what do you have against people that get ahead by working hard and
    :become rich?
    :
    :I don't know.
    :
    :then why are you always down on them...  and for the lazy ass holes that do
    :not wish to work hard?
    :
    :I don't know any.
    :
    :you do not know any rich people?
    :
    :I don't know any lazy assholes.
    :
    :geesh... okay...good night
    :*

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    Message: 52973
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/David
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:49:22

            I don't really know if I am right or wrong, that is for certain.
    All I really know is that from what I personally observe our little world is
    in trouble.  It is not running smooth.....there are many murders, robbery,
    deviant sexual offenses, and people in high places who are caught doing bad
    things.  I, unlike you, work in the street amomgst the everyday people, I
    see their attitudes, I see their misery and this again tells me that
    something needs changing.
            If we continue along our current path then I only see more gloom for
    our future.  I am searching, I am questioning and both of you are supposed
    to be educated people, intelligent people, more intelligent people than I,
    so what immediate social reforms do you suggest?  I am serious.
            At least I suggest things, they may be wrong, maybe not but in the
    time I have been on this board, I have revised some of my thinking because I
    saw errors here and there.
            I see a terrible spirit in this nation, it is a greedy, capitalistic
    one that is at best self serving.  Am I wrong....are the biggies really
    trying to help the poor and the middle class or are they just heaping more
    trouble on us?  I don't see anything getting better...I do see the Texas
    Savings and Loans folding and Arizona is seventh in losses with Mera Bank
    being one of the big losers.  What is happening, are the corporate giants
    vieing to take each other over for pure power purposes and letting the poor
    and middle class fall where they may.
            I have children and I care for their futures, that is why I am being
    vocal.

    Message: 52974
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: cont.
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:52:54

            I would like to see Ron Paul, the Libertarian get office but you and
    I both know that it is a joke....we are a two party system....we get the
    choice of two clowns and the news media, for all practical purposes, ignores
    any third party candidate.
            We need a peaceful revolution of our youth to bring mankind a step
    further up the ladder of intelligence, like in the sixties.
            Do you just draw your paychecks and keep quiet, watching sports,
    drinking beer and playing the lottery?
            What can I say, I do care, an awful lot.
                                    Rod

    Message: 52975
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Junk
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:56:39

            Reincarnation may or may not be true, I have no idea.  But if it is
    then the very wealthy, the ones who hoard, may be screwing themselves for
    the next life.
            I like to think that if it is true, if I could help this world
    evolve just a bit then if I do have to come back to this place, that it may
    be a bit better.  Boring, I'm sure.
            In any case, whether it be true or not, there are always kin to
    think about making it better for, eh!

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    Message: 1495
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 00:22:17

    Nope.  It was only delayed fifteen minutes.  You missed Sandra Bernhard
    bringing on Madonna as a suprise guest.  They were dressed identically and
    acting like goofballs (more specifically, like two fourteen year old girls
    trying marijuana for the first time).
    It was comedy at its best.

    Message: 1496
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:27:59

    It figures.  The first time he puts out a good show, and I miss it.  The
    first two were boring.

    Message: 1497
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David Letterman
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 03:11:33

    He's a geek.

    Message: 1498
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: geekdom
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 03:26:12

    Actually, I admit that I have been a geek on this board.  Yes, JT, yes,
    Peter Cervelli, yes, Beauregard Dog, and yes, Nick Ianuzzi - I give in.  But
    it is not entirely my fault.  We are in the midst of an important
    sociological phenomenon.  I have only served as a model and example which I
    hope you can all learn from and gain a broader perspective of how this crazy
    society of ours works.

    It's like the old elevator experiment.  A group of people crowded into an
    elevator; they were all participating consciously in the experiment.  Once
    an unsuspecting victim entered the elevator, everyone nonchalantly turned to
    his right ninety degrees.  Not knowing what to do, the confused subject
    turned ninety degrees.  It's called fitting in, it's called going with the
    flow, it's called conformism.  It's why there are fads.  It's why there are
    fashions.  It's why two similar articles of clothing will have outrageous
    differences in price, only because of the label.  There is a whole system
    that revolves around this much-practiced concept.  This system includes
    status symbols, non-conforming conformists, outcasts, cliques, and social
    deviance.

    It is the inevitable responsible of each individual, of each one of us, to
    accept our conscious participation in this social system.  We conform
    without even thinking about it.  Though each of us does what we have to to
    "be different", we all do things to insure acceptance as well.  And this, my
    friend is why I've acted like a geek.  I'm simply trying to fit in.

    Message: 1499
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 03:46:00

    Quit babbling. None of us here babble.

    Message: 1500
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 01:12:01

    Quit being such a goofball.

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    Message: 1429
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Mortal users
    Subject: Court Case
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 02:31:05

    Well I think it was settled out of court.  B.D. payed Cervelli the $20,
    proving that I didn't owe him the money.

    Message: 1430
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: money
    Date: 07/03/88  Time: 13:18:38

    Sorry, I don't think that proves anything. Since I am involved in this,
    however, I don't think I should try to be the judge.

    Rev. Beau

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     1:        I said that I would give you $5. of the settlement.  I saw you last
     2:evening but I forgot.  Catch you next time.
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