### Apollo BBS Archive - May 24 - 26, 1991

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    Message: 7431
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/head
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 22:56:41

    > pray they move.

    Hey, I'll write one for you.
    I'll write a prayer for you on moving, a quick one.

            Oh, maker supreme of all the cosmos,
            make Them move, make Them move.
            Ouch.

    Message: 7432
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod last
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 11:35:39

    Thank you god. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7433
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann...thanks..
    Date: 05/27/91  Time: 01:02:56

    But I forgot to say, "hold the mustard", (tm) Warren Harris.

    Message: 7434
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael J. (Head)
    Date: 05/27/91  Time: 01:07:56

    Or you could send them some sort of 'singing telegram' or even a
    'strip-o-gram'.  That may 'break the ice', so to speak.

    The message could say something like, "O'baby, you're so hot looking, and
    your lovely neighbor's owners wishes them to be at work at X o'clock and me
    thinks you are disturbing their productivity with overly amped sounds.  So
    cool it babe before a set of singing guns come to town because my client
    works on important government contracts."

    Just a thought.

    Public Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 75370
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last / freedom?
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 00:22:32

            People like Lippard, R. Williams, Petrisko and other atheists
    scream in anger and hate if TAX money is spent on Christmas Nativity Scenes
    or anything else that represents the true meaning of Christmas.  These
    Scenes hurt no one.... Yet, take TAX dollars away from people who would
    MURDER their own children for the sake of a good time in the hay and these
    same people scream 'unfair'... ???  It's like they are saying people do not
    need be responsible for themselves or their own actions, let government take
    care of it.  Abortion is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!  To give advise as to it being
    a way out is also WRONG! And to spend MY TAX dollars to do so is even more
    WRONG.

            What ever happened to morality ?

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 75371
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on Rod
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 02:04:24

        I do not doubt that Rod has read the entire Bible. But I also do not
    doubt that one can read the entire Bible, and yet miss the message entirely,
    while another can start to get the picture after reading only several books
    of it. "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from
    the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand
    them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1Cor 2:14)  "Where is the
    wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has
    not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" (ibid, 1:20)  If one tries to
    read the Bible with a predisposition against it, then I would almost advise
    that person not to waste their time, because they will not likely profit
    from it. (I say "almost" and "not likely" because it is not my place to say
    that God COULD NOT open the eyes of one who is stubbornly blind.)

    Message: 75372
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod on Interpretat'n
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 02:20:15

    Rod: "I would say that all of the interpretations are based upon a sincere
    belief in the accuracy of scripture, wouldn't you?"

       No Rod, I would not.  Liberalism has plagued Christianity in a big way
    lately.  Those who understand the Bible to be the infallible, inerrant and
    authoritative Word of God are dwindling at a rapid rate. And I do not
    believe that this is due to any failure of the conservative view of
    Scripture to hold water. Liberalism slithers in when people want to
    interject worldly views, values and intellect into Scripture. This is why
    the Presbyterian Church (USA) is split over a document which, if approved,
    would change that denomination's stand on morality to one that embraces
    lesbianism and homosexuality; to one that encourages sexual activity outside
    the bonds of marriage; to one that encourages masturbation and heavy petting
    among youth and teens. (I do not exaggerate here. If you would like me to
    transcribe some news articles on the subject for you, I would be more than
    happy to.)  This is why several Methodist and Presbyterian churches have
    embraced and encouraged goddess worship and pagan puberty rites.  This is
    why the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America supports abortion.

        No Rod, there are many interpretations of Scripture out there that make
    a mockery and a sham out of the very Scripture they vainly attempt to
    interpret.

        We are in the times mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:3.

    Message: 75373
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Abortion
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 02:25:08

        Did you see the picture of the Planned Parenthood sign on the front of
    today's paper? It had a banner plastered in front of it that read "WE WILL
    NOT BE GAGGED."

       "Planned Parenthood" (from the standpoint of the organization) is an
    oxymoron. They are not concerned with families (at least the unborn
    children). They are not concerned with the rights of preborn individuals.
    They are, and will always be, concerned only with the prevention of
    parenthood, and will resort to murder of innocent lives to further that
    cause.

    "Be a hero, save a whale......Save a baby, go to jail."

    Message: 75374
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: For sale
    Subject: RCA amber monitor
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 07:36:56

            One amber RCA input type monitor.   Ideal for Commodore/Atari 8 bit
    computers or anything else that has an RCA signal (B&W) out.

            $25.00 cash...   Used, so there is NO sales TAX!

           *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 75375
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on abortion
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 11:17:58

    I too think that tax dollars should not be paid out for abortions - unless
    it's to save the woman's life.
    However, I do not think it's an issue that can be judged with personal
    morals. I also think that you are wrong that it is only time before it will
    be ruled as murder. Never happen! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75376
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on morality
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 11:22:35

    Re: "what ever happened to morality?" ... Nothing! It's still around, except
    you have yours, I have mine, Peter has his, Rod has his ......! We can only
    choose our own, not someone else's! Besides, who's right for sure? Our
    concience must be our guides on such an issue. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75377
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Daryl on changes
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 11:33:48

    Re: the changes of allowing masturbation and heavy petting among the
    youths....! Why not? They have been doing that probably since mankind has
    been on earth -- they are doing it and probably will continue to do it for
    centuries to come! NO religion, NO creed, NO church, No moralistic tutoring
    has or will change that, so why not give them the sanction?

    Here is a religion that is suppose to come from our Maker, God, and it
    states we are not to do these things ... YET ... this same God make us like
    this - where our urges go crazy at puberty???! I assume you think this is
    some kind of test er??? Why can't religionist face the fact that we are here
    basically to beget - our bodies, and minds are geared toward that goal. God
    made us like this and then set down rules against it unless your married and
    older?????

    Re: masterbation ... what if some 14 year old guy has a wet dream? Is that a
    sin? What if in a half sleep state he rubs on the covers? Isn't that
    masterbation also, worthy of hell for eternity? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75378
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 19:31:45

    Re:  And to spend MY TAX dollars to do so is even more WRONG.

    Amen.

    Message: 75379
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 05/25/91  Time: 19:41:00

    Re:  Here is a religion that is suppose to come from our Maker, God, and it
    states we are not to do these things ... YET ... this same God make us like
    this - where our urges go crazy at puberty?

    There is nothing in the Bible that speaks out against masturbation or heavy
    petting.  Part of the problem is so many people go around saying the Bible
    says this and the Bible says that when in reality it doesn't.

    Message: 75380
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Cliff's Monitor
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 00:41:02

    Does it come with the connecting cable? Or do you have one?

    Message: 75381
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann...
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 01:07:13

    "...They are doing it [pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, homosexual
    relationships, teenage sex, etc.]...so why not give them the sanction?"

    People have been murdering, stealing, lying, and raping for centuries as
    well. Why not have the church sanction THOSE, too?

    Ok, back to the subject. HERE is why the church should not condone such
    actions: "Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone
    loves the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For all that is in
    the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful
    pride of life, IS NOT FROM THE FATHER, but is from the world. And the world
    is passing away, and also it's lusts; but the one who does the will of God
    abides forever." (1Jn 2:15-17 NAS)

    God tells His people to hate these things. [One might say: "No it doesn't.
    It just tells us not to LOVE them."] In God's service, one cannot be
    lukewarm. The one who tries to ride the fence between God and the love of
    the things of this world will find himself cast out of the presence of God
    on the Last Day ["'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I
    will spit [literally: "vomit"] you out of my mouth.'" (Rev 3:16 NAS). For
    God to use such repulsive imagery such as a person being vomited out of the
    mouth of God must mean that this lukewarm fence-sitting worship of God AND
    fleshly lusts makes God pretty sick. Even moreso than being a flat out pagan
    and not using His name to justify their selfish pursuit of gratification.

    God has directed His people to seperate themselves from the world and the
    ways of the world to live a life that is in accordance to His will and in
    harmony with His created order. That is why the "churches" that condone and
    even promote those things which God specifically sets down as abominable in
    His sight are not churches of God at all but rather temples of Satan.

    The job of the church is not to tone down the word of God to make
    Christianity "palatable" to the world. It is not to "loosen morals" so that
    there are fewer empty pews. It is the job of the church to preach and teach
    the Word of God; the Law, which shows us a)the way God wishes us to live our
    lives and b)to show us when we fail to meet up to God's standards - and the
    Gospel, which shows us that forgiveness for our sins against God - which we
    can not merit for ourselves - has been merited for us through the atoning
    sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. The Word of God convicts the sinner of his
    sin, and also teaches the Way of Forgiveness which is by God's grace
    [unmerited lovingkindness]. THAT is the primary role of the church. But the
    sanctuaries of liberal puke "theology" that would just as soon toss the
    Bible out in the trash as it seems to "cramp their [alternative life]style,
    have turned their backs on God whilst skipping down the paths of peace, free
    "love" and granola laid out for them by the Woodstock generation.

    Those that love His Word and are the few sitting in a church that teaches
    His true Word, are far more precious in His sight, then those that are
    serving themselves in mega-churches that ignore His commands.

    Message: 75383
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix / Sex & God
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 01:45:05

        God does not prohibit heavy petting within the confines of the marriage
    commitment. But it is most certain that He is against it outside of
    marriage. For which of those, who lack the self-control to avoid getting
    themselves in a petting situation, will somehow manage the self-control to
    withhold once a sufficient amount of foreplay prepares the body for the
    consummation of the act? Heavy petting will almost always lead to sexual
    intercourse. (Either that, or a serious case of pain for the male, the
    description of which starts with the word "blue.")

        The Bible may not specifically spell out the words "masturbation is a
    sin." But think about it. The sexual organs were created for a purpose. The
    purpose is twofold. The joining of two married people (male and female) as
    one, with the two bodies designed to "fit" one another, to serve as a means
    of [a]procreation, and also as a means of [b]pleasure; the most profound
    expression of love between two individuals.

        Masturbation wrests this order out of joint (no pun intended).
    It is not a means of sharing. It is a selfish act. It is out of harmony with
    God's plan in that it utilizes a creation of God in a manner with which it
    was not intended. If God wanted us to gratify ourselves sexually without a
    marriage partner, then He would have created us all hermaphrodites. But He
    didn't. Furthermore, the sexual organs are designed for the purposes
    explained above. The, um... HAND, is not a sexual organ.

    Message: 75384
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 05:18:38

    The cable that comes with this type monitor generally come with a standard
    RCA cable connector.... at both ends.   This does not work for the Commodore
    or Atari type computers, just the older IBM Clones, ETC.

            However, I did hunt up a cable last week when you asked this same
    question, and I think I found one that would work.  (pretty sure anyway)
    If *YOU* were to get this monitor, I would give you the cable.  I am not
    selling this monitor for myself by the way...  It belongs to a guy who I put
    a TTL type monitor on his unit.

            If you wish to SEE the monitor, call me and bring over your Atari
    and we will see how it and the cable works!

            If you had not [S]kipped my answer post last time, you would have
    this info....  sigh!

            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- Smile!

    Message: 75385
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: So quiet
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 10:50:29

            It looks like no one is home but us poor chickens....  sniff!

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 75386
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: nightmare
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 12:21:58

    Not in 10 billion years could you ever be my wet dream...WRONG ANSWER!!!!
    Try to be my NIGHTMARE, if ya thing you are good enough to try....But I will
    only laugh at you

    Message: 75387
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Chronons Are Nonons
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 17:25:33

    From "Science and Human Values," by Jacob Bronowski:

      This sequence is characteristic of science.  It begins
    with a set of appearances.  It organizes these into laws.
    And at the center of the laws it finds a knot, a point at
    which several laws cross; a symbol which gives unity to the
    laws themselves.  Mass, time, magnetic moment, the
    unconscious: we have grown up with these symbolic concepts,
    so that we are startled to be told that man had once to
    create them for himself.  He had indeed, and he has; for
    mass is not an intuition in the muscle, and time is not
    bought ready-made at the watchmaker's.

    Message: 75388
    Author: Mike Darus
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Heavy Petting
    Date: 05/26/91  Time: 23:51:21

    Daryl, I'm not sure I caught your whole argument against petting.   The key
    issues to me seem to be in "defrauding" and the proper expression of sex
    within marriage, not with the intended function of the rproductive organs.
    The Catholic Church has ended in a precarious position on birth control by
    using the intended purpose argument.  Their argument is that children is the
    intended purpose.   This has expanded to the sole purpose.  Thus, the fact
    that intercourse may also be pleasurable as well asa functional for
    procreation is lost to them.    I argue that sex in marriage only for
    pleasure is just as important as sex in marriage for making babies.  One of
    the important purposes of sex has to be intimacy (see "know" in Genesis).
    Intimacy must also be the issue in petting.  For most teens, sex detracts
    from their intimacy.  It will replace communication.  Sex is such a strong
    statement of intimacy and union, it is reserved by God for marriage where
    committment and intimacy unite.  Oh, for more of us to embrace God's gift as
    it was intended.

    On masturbation, it is not with selfishness that the problem resides.  It is
    only when masturbation replaces God's best that it is a problem.  Jesus did
    not say it was wrong to feel pleasure.  He did say, however, we should not
    lust after anyone who is not our spouse.   Without the lust there would
    probably not be much problem with the rest.  A professor of Old Testament
    once told me that 99% of teenage boys masturbage and the other 1% lie about
    it.  I have also seen lives broken by addiction to the sensation.....sad.
    Keep up the good work, Daryl.

    Message: 75389
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/27/91  Time: 01:14:21

    > True meaning of Christmas.

    The true meaning of the season you speak of is for the shortest, darkest,
    scariest (scariest for our ancestors) day of the year, the solstice,
    in the northern hemisphere.

    It is the ture season.  All the rest is made-up, hocus-pocus, party line.

    The meaning you attribute to the solstice is, to me, garbage.

                                    Rod

    Message: 75390
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 05/27/91  Time: 01:16:20

    Wake up.  Your words are hollow and are without meaning.  You are spouting
    the party line that leads to more insanity.

    Message: 75391
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The Wild one.(75386)
    Date: 05/27/91  Time: 01:20:57

    Read your last message.

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     1:Yes, we could set an age when one can 'pet' and on thier birthday they will
     2:then be able to make up for lost time.  Same with masturbation.
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     4:To hell with Ma Nature, whats she know?
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