### Apollo BBS Archive - April 15 - 16, 1990

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    Message: 64770
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Finals
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 19:17:52

    Hey, everybody.

    (Just used that subject to gloat.  I don't have any.)

    HB

    Message: 64771
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Spaz/Finals
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 19:29:16

      What a coincidence.  I have no finals, either.  Small world, eh?

                       =(O,-)=   Wink!

    Message: 64772
    Author: John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: English
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 20:53:04

    Mike Carter and all! Yes, the point is well taken--parents should teach the
    kids and send them to school ready to learn. THEY ARE NOT DOING SO! So,
    should we bitch about it, or consider that 40% of hi school grads are
    illiterate and try to do something about THAT? Point #1: Peorian school
    district has a high percentage of "unlikely" students--bi-lingual, farm
    labor kids, etc. Yet, using a cheap  (inexpensive) program of phonics, they
    teach to a higher grade level of reading, writing, comprehension, etc., than
    the state avedrage. #2: High school freshman classes regularly include 3 to
    5% of LITERATE kids--kids who learned to read and write in the primary
    grades.--How did they do that? lets find out, maybe it will work on the
    other 95 to 97%.  --Plz excuse the typos: I don't know how to edit.--

    Message: 64773
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/time
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 21:13:07

    Time is nothing more than a measurement of the interval between two occuring
    events.  We have had this discussion before, of course.

    As for atomic clocks, the extremely small difference in the rate of
    operation of the clocks (not the rate of the passage of "time") was most
    likely the result of mechanistic variations, including gravity and other
    common Newtonian effects, some relating to motion, as well as other, less
    obvious factors.  When you say that gravitational effects were taken into
    account, I expect you to prove it, and furthermore, prove that the margin of
    error in such accountability was less than the actual difference in the
    clocks.

    You have to ask yourself, Roger, if a clock runs slower on an airplane than
    it does on the ground, what is causing the change?  Mechanistic cause and
    effect, of course, not some imaginary and superfluous entity such as a "time
    continuum."  You need a shave.

    Oh, and Roger, exactly what is it, in your opinion, that causes the
    difference in the operation of the clocks?  I mean, what specific force
    causes "time" to slow down on airplanes?  Does the velocity of the plane
    matter, or just the altitude?  Is it bigger than a breadbox?

    Message: 64774
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Fond Memories
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 21:28:30

    Don't you mean fond(le), fond(le)?

    Message: 64775
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa/T-Shirt Idea
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 21:30:42

    GOD BLESS MY GUN AND MY PIT BULL

    MEMBER, VEGETARIAN BUTCHERS OF AMERICA

    GREYHOUND DRIVER'S UNION: TAKE THE BUS, AND LEAVE THE SNIPING TO US!

    Message: 64776
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: The Madwoman of
    Date: 04/14/90  Time: 23:34:06

    Challiot.
    Playing thru next Saturday at the Galvin Theatre at ASU.  Student tickets
    are only $5.00.  This is probaby the most elaborte production I have seen
    done by the Theatre dept.  And the acting is well done.  The story is pretty
    good too.
    Call 965-6447 to get tickets, M-F 1:00-4:00pm.

    Message: 64777
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: In search of
    Subject: T-shirts
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 02:44:56

    For Rod Williams:

    STEAL THIS SHIRT AND STRIKE A BLOW AGAINST CAPITALISM!!

    Message: 64778
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Mad Woman
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 07:44:04

    Ah!  The Madwoman of Challiot.  I worked on a high school
    production many years ago.  Missed an audio cue because my
    girlfriend and I were necking in the booth.  Oh well(tm).

    Message: 64779
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: jeff/time
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 08:39:05

    I suggest you check out an elementary college textbook on the special
    theory of relativity, work out the problems, and come to whatever
    conclusions you want to. You have a choice. You can accept the math and
    look at the results of experimentation or you can, choose to accept it.
    It matters not.

    Message: 64780
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill Burkett/Necking
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 09:33:23

    Be glad you were in HIGH SCHOOL! You never know, Whiting-Johnson might try
    to introduce a RETROACTIVE petting bill!

    Message: 64781
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill Burkett
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 11:23:24

    Really?  I just finished work on a production, _Lillian_ where I was doing
    the sound playback.  There were me, the stage manager and the lighting
    technician in the same small booth.  There wouldn't have been any room (or
    privacy) for my boyfriend and I to neck.
    Oh well, such is college life.

    Message: 64782
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Madwoman
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 11:50:40

    Isn't that _Chaillot_ ???

    Message: 64783
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Madman
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 16:19:35

    Geez!  Challiot, Chaillot, Chill out!

    Message: 64784
    Author: John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa Dee/English
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 22:22:09

    Shouldn't that have been "for my boy friend amd ME," not "for my boyfriend
    and I"?

    Message: 64785
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/time
    Date: 04/15/90  Time: 22:31:34

    I have no quarrel with the math, since I am unqualified to evaluate it;
    there is nothing controversial about it in any case; I'm sure it's correct.
    It is your interpretation of the math, the conclusions you draw from it,
    that I find suspect.  Mathematics proves nothing; it merely expresses
    relationships based on axioms.

    Time is a measurement of the interval between two occuring events.  The
    interval is itself composed of other events; whether those events consist of
    falling grains of sand, the oscillations of a quartz crystal, or periods of
    radiation corresponding to the transition between two, specific, hyperfine
    levels of the fundamental state of an isotope, is inconsequential.

    Time is ALWAYS a quantification of occuring events; how could it be
    otherwise?

    Message: 64786
    Author: Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Learning
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 01:08:04

    I've heard a number of bad things about how Arizona schools don't do a good
    job of teaching, and this naturally concerns me.  Yet my daughter, who is
    six, has spent this year in a transition class at Greenbrier school (Deer
    Valley district) and can already read quite well.  (She entered kindergarten
    almost a year younger than most other kids, hence the transition class.)  So
    far I have no complaints at all.

    Children LOVE to learn.  They instinctively ask questions and demand to know
    things from the age of three and even younger.  It's true that one must
    often work hard to learn things, yet children have a natural motivation that
    drives them to learn.  It should only be necessary to support and encourage
    this urge.  When children don't learn, it's because they been taught by
    adults to lose sight of the fact that learning and knowledge and thinking
    are not only a vital source of strength in coping with the world, but that
    they are FUN.

    I hear bad things about poor teachers and unmotivated teachers and teachers
    whose main reason for being in the profession is that it's a power trip, and
    no doubt there are some of these (I've met one or two).  But I definitely
    believe that the home environment is the whole key to kids realizing their
    potential.  How many of the parents value and really enjoy learning?  How
    many parents read to their kids, or even read anything of significance
    themselves?  And, most important, how many parents use their children as
    friends and partners in exploring the world?

    For a start, many of the parents do not value learning for its own sake, for
    the satisfaction they could get out of it.  But on top of that, the
    questions kids ask and the things they want to discuss can be very
    challenging -- and therefore threatening.  How many parents ask THEMSELVES
    such questions?  These questions may be threatening in one of two ways.
    First, because the parent doesn't know the answer.  Why IS the sky blue?  A
    classic question.  It has a good scientific answer; but how many average
    people know it?  If the parent doesn't know the answer and has the wrong
    attitude, he or she might feel like a dummy in front of the kid, and firmly
    discourage such intelligent questions.  Why is an adult supposed to know
    everything?  A vital and intelligent person never stops learning.  Why not
    find out together?

    A second type of question is probably worse, because it challenges the
    parent's values and beliefs, or enters areas the parent would rather not
    talk about.  Sex (and drugs) fall into this category.  But there are other
    questions.  Why should we not steal or tell lies or hit people?  What do we
    do when someone insists on hitting us?  Why do we have a government?  Why do
    you cheat on your income tax?  (Good question for the 15th of April.)  And
    who is this God person anyway? (with apologies to Douglas Adams).  The
    answers to these questions, along with those on history and geography and
    math and English, help someone to develop a coherent and integrated
    philosophy of life.

    If large significant areas are placed out of bounds,
    nothing fits; knowledge becomes disjointed and irrelevant because it doesn't
    connect to anything else.  So why bother to learn?

    One reason often given for education is that "you can get a better job and
    make lots of money".  But this is not a sufficient reason for all that work.
    Why do something you hate all your life just to make money?  Life then
    becomes a meaningless grind.  Actually the people who make the most money
    are usually doing something they are motivated to do for other reasons --
    power, achievement, discovery, creativity, whatever.  Even those who don't
    make lots of money can get genuine satisfaction out of what they do do.  The
    very best reason for learning is that it is satisfying in itself.  How many
    kids are taught this fact at home?

    Message: 64789
    Author: Gordon Little
    Category: Question?
    Subject: $tatus
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 01:14:36

    How do you get $tatus?  Do you accept online EFT?

    Message: 64790
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/learning
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 01:22:28

    Superb, superb posts.

    Message: 64791
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Education
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 02:30:37

    Parents can help. I could read when I went into school. Not really well, but
    I understood. A friend was also taught at home, but her mother had more time
    to do it, so she was really literate when she hit school.
    But, now, I know two couples with young children.
    One couple has a son that is 3. He is discouraged at every turn from asking
    questions, and certainly hasn't been taught to read. He does know some of
    the things that he will encounter in kindergarten, but...
    Another couple has a daughter who is 6. She is in kindergarten. Both her
    parents are VERY intelligent. Yet, she didn't learn to read until she hit
    preschool. Preschool isn't a bad idea, it just doesn't make up for the lack
    of parental touch.
    And, I heard from a friend, who has a 1st grader, a new policy in her
    district.
    They segregate kids by ability. The above average kids are sorted out from
    the average, and the below average are sorted out from the average. Then
    they are separated. This is suposed to help them all learn. I don't think
    so. The first thing the "below average" kids are taught is that they are
    "below average". I think, instead of separating them, they should have kids
    that understand explain to those that don't. That way, they learn to work
    together to learn. But, I guess the people who count, don't understand that.
    They continue on their merry way, making schools into prisons.
    Anyone notice the iron bars around all the high schools?

    Message: 64792
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon on learning
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 05:49:06

     I agree with Jeff. Those were some of the most intelligently thought out
    and written posts I have seen on the subject in ages. Thank you for sharing
    with us!

    Message: 64793
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Gordon on $tatus
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 07:28:56

            See the <$>cmd in the ain menu...

    Message: 64794
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: jeff/time
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 07:46:32

    I agree.

    Message: 64795
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Retro Petting
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 10:20:14

    As they say, "It is better to have petted retroactively than
    never to have petted at all."

    Message: 64796
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: ...in the tech booth
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 10:20:41

    There were four of us in the booth during this particular
    production of _Challiot_:  The lighting guy, me, and our
    girlfriends.  We enjoyed the show(s).

    Message: 64797
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Tech booth
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 14:03:39

    Wow.  This was in high school?  An orgy in the booth, eh?  Sounds like a
    story waiting to be written...

    Message: 64798
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Where the Heck is
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 14:04:22

    Zak?!

    Message: 64799
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 15:41:34

            I am sure he is in his pants, somewhere.....

                            i

    Message: 64800
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Pell Grants
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 16:19:10

    Today I had to sign a paper agreeing not to be involved in the selling,
    distribution, some other stuff, and USE of any illegal drugs.  If I am
    convicted of any of the above, my Pell Grant would be revoked and I could
    possible have all my financial aid taken from me, forever.
    BUT  they allow Frat partys where alcohol is consumed in MASSIVE amounts.  I
    wouldn't mind so much if they actually cared about abusing mind altering
    substances.  But they single out illegal drugs.  So, I could commit any
    other kind of felony, i.e., rape, murder, even drunk driving, and still have
    my Grant money but being caught smoking a joint, that's it.  I am yanked out
    of school mid semester without any funds and probably could not ever
    complete it unless some other moneys came along.

    There is something seriously wrong here.

    Message: 64801
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans/education
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 19:06:28

    A good idea about having the advanced students teach the slower ones.
    This would not only help the less able students, but also the gifted ones,
    since there is nothing like teaching someone else, to really clarify things
    in your own mind.  You often discover that your understanding of a subject
    is less integrated and profound than you had imagined; thus it is a learning
    experience for all concerned.

    Message: 64802
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger?
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 19:08:01

    Er, I'm flabbergasted.  It your agreement sincere, or merely an attempt to
    terminate a what you feel to be a jejune discussion?

    Message: 64803
    Author: John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: learning
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 19:37:29

    "The people who count" are the parents of school children, the tax-payers,
    the citizens! If we don't express desires and motivate the school boards,
    they will continue to graduate from high school 40% illiterates!

    Message: 64804
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Politics
    Subject: pell grants/drugs
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 20:11:35

    Let's get the law changed !!!

    Message: 64805
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: jeff/teaching
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 20:12:21

    yes, I have found that to be too true.

    Message: 64806
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff ?
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 20:14:37

    jejune ? Why is it every time I hear that word  I think of those round
    chewy drops every kid ate in the afternoon movie ? No, I agree. Time
    is meaningful related to events. The notion of before and after is
    important also

    Message: 64807
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Firearms for sale...
    Date: 04/16/90  Time: 22:44:22

    For sale:
            Steyr GB 9mm semi-automatic.
            Slide and action NP3'd (Robar's Nickel/PTFE coating)
            6 18-round magazines, original cleaning kit
            Gun is NRA excellent.
            $800 obo.

            Mini-14 Stainless Steel.  $450 obo.

    Call me at home, 431-8399, or at work, 869-2733.

    For rent:
            2 Bedroom Townhouse, 48th Street & Broadway area.
            Dishwasher, refrigerator, ceiling fans, fenced patio, community
            pool, ~1000 sq.ft., nice kitchen, lots of closet space.
            $450/mo., $450 refundable deposit.  Pets OK.

    Again, call me at home, 431-8399, or at work, 869-2733.

    Michael Kielsky

    P.S.  "Groseclose"?  Hmmm, sounds familiar.  Been a few years. :)

    P.P.S.  When I said "call me", that is if you are interested or wanna talk.

    Message: 64808
    Author: Double Helix
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Roger Mann
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 04:00:27

    I have it on good authority that "Jeff Beck" is a vacuum bubble instanton.

    Message: 64809
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Cummings
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 06:15:42

     School boards are political entities, too many of whom unfortunately have
    little understanding of how the educational system functions.
     This is, of course, a strictly personal opinion and observation, but I feel
    that if we are to rescue the next generations of Americans from the abysmal
    pits of ignorance, we are going to have to remove perhaps 70% of all school
    administrative positions, and the non-productive assistants that keep them
    shuffling papers, abandon the concept of our secondary schools being little
    more than fodder producers for the NFL, the NBA, the major baseball leagues
    and other pro sporting clubs, and replace the time and money wasted on
    interscholastic sports with more quality educators and more quality classes
    that do what education is suppose to do, namely fine tune the minds of our
    youth and teach them to stand up and become productive members and leaders
    of our society, people well able to think for themselves.
     Once this is accomplished, we will be able to compete intellectually with
    such places as Japan and other countries who seem to have their educational
    priorities a lot straighter than we do.
     So much for this morning's soapbox.

    Message: 64810
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: double helix
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 07:49:00

    instanton ? That's a new term. mind elucidating ?

    Message: 64811
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Booth Orgy
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 09:02:15

    Really more of a teenage make-out party.  Feel free to embellish
    it in anyway you choose, however.

    Message: 64812
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Backup
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 11:28:46

            Apollo was backed up today in FULL.

                    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 64813
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: hite pages
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 13:31:53

            I wish a few more users would add their phone number to the hite
    pages...but PLEASE, only put in your correct number and not some other
    number or joke numbers.  ONLY $tatus users can see that list.

            While you are at it, make sure your Computer type info is also
    correct and up to date!  Again, please give correct descriptions and avoid
    the jokes!  When done correct, it can help another user contact you if they
    need help with a similar unit.

            After all, we $tatus users are all adults...  Right?

            Look at your hite pages listing and please make sure it is
    correct....  Thanks, *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 64814
    Author: Brad Bopp
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 16:25:40

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    Message: 64815
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/shotguns
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 17:13:29

            Some little tid-bits of info on the shotgun ........
    A shotgun is considered an Offensive weapon in the eyes of the Judicial
    system.
    Quite a few students taking beginning Shotgun Class do miss at 10-20 ft.
    As for using the shotgun to 'deter' ..... If you can't bite, don't bark.

            Maybe this something you have already have done, but just in case it
    isn't ........ why don't you come out to the Apollo Shoot-out GT? Bring your
    shotgun and see what you can do with it? I would much rather know in advance
    what my abilities and limitations are and what I can expect from my weapon
    and the rounds I use. I think you would too (providing you have not already
    done so).

    Message: 64816
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/time
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 17:37:16

            An hour is a 15 degree rotational turn of the earth.
            There are 60 minutes in every degree.
            There are 60 seconds in every minute of longitude.
            The earth turns 15 minutes of longitude in one minute and
               15 seconds of longitude in one second.
            The earth will turn 1 degree every 4 minutes.

    Message: 64817
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 18:47:44

    Like, is there *some* cosmic significance to all this or is
    it a PIG CAPATALIST scheme to milk the renters for more tax dollars?

    Message: 64818
    Author: John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Education
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 20:12:43

    Applause for the good thoughts of Paul Savage--you're right, those are the
    conditions prevailing in our schools.
            However, we don't need a revolution to do some good. (A revolution
    would be a blessing, indeed! Throw the rascals out and get some good teachin
    g going.) But we can't destroy the whole system and start over--we'd lose
    about 30 years of students--can't afford it.
            But, we CAN and should demand that students be taught the English
    language, correctly, so that they use it correctly. This is within the
    capabilityies of the present system. With that ability to communicate, they
    would be better able to succeed in math, geography, history, etc.
            (A modern tragedy: One of our better high schools yesterday scrapped
    a powerful and innovative new program of English, Math, Science, because it
    conflicted with the sports schedule!)

    Message: 64819
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/before & after
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 20:20:53

    "Michele has left this strange world just before me.  This is of no
    importance.  For us convinced physicists the distinction between past,
    present and future is an illusion, although a persistent one."

       --Albert Einstein in a letter to the widow of close friend and physicist
    Michele Besso--

    Message: 64820
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Double Helix
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 20:21:59

    An absurd assertion.  What is your Social Security Number ?

    Message: 64821
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Double Helix
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 20:37:57

    Quantum field theory pictures elementary particles as excitations that arise
    out of a ground state of the field -- also called the vacuum state of the
    universe.  When a little extra energy is added to this vacuum state,
    elementary particles are created; when that energy leaves, only the vacuum
    remains.  From that vacuum state there is nowhere left to lose any more
    energy.  A sort of energy valley.  But what if on the other side of the
    mountains of energy that surround the universe (metaphorically), there were
    another vacuum state, a potential universe with lower energy?  There is no
    way of reaching this lower vacuum state from where you are.  The "energy
    mountains" are too high.  In this sense, the universe is stable.  In an
    absolute sense, because of the difference in potential, the universe is
    unstable.  Quantum theory allows a tunneling effect where solitons are able
    to tunnel through an energy barrier from one system to the next.  Solitons
    can tunnel from the exterior to the interior of a plasma, with, for all
    practical purposes, no energy loss.  Radio frequency solitons will provide
    the means for an efficient method of plasma heating in fusion reaction
    processes in the intermediate future.  A soliton formed out of the vacuum
    state could tunnel from one vacuum to the next.  A vacuum bubble instanton
    is a soliton bubble of quantum energy which could tunnel across from one
    ground state or universe to another.  It's surface belongs to this universe,
    but its interior is alien; it contains the lower vacuum state of another
    universe.  An instanton appearing in this universe would appear as a violent
    disturbance expanding outward at the speed of light.

    A doomsday machine could be devised to produce a single instanton from the
    intersection of extremely high energy laser pulses.  Created with the size
    of an elementary particle, after a single second it would have expanded
    300,000 kilometers and would contain within it a steam of elementary
    particles.  The result would be like dropping a speck of dirt into
    superheated water.  This universe would begin to boil.

    Have a nice day.

    Message: 64823
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Shootout
    Date: 04/17/90  Time: 21:31:50

            I will attend the SHOOTOUT GT on the 28th after all...
    I may not shoot however, but that depends if there is a camera or not.

            I will however enjoy the cookout and the meeting of users.

                    i

    Message: 64824
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/Time
    Date: 04/18/90  Time: 01:34:54

    You say that the earth will turn 1 degree every 4 minutes.

    No, when the earth has turned 1 degree we say that 4 minutes has passed.
    There is a difference.

    Message: 64825
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last 50
    Date: 04/18/90  Time: 01:42:57

    Really good posts.  Gordon hit the nail on the head although I find it
    difficult to spend as much time as I would like with my children.  This game
    I play of coming up with the money for the landlard, APS, insurance and food
    takes most of it.

    And to Daryl, Melissa and Jeff on T-shirt ideas:  Out intention is to come
    out with as many clever sayings as possible.  We cannot possibly compete
    with ANY silk screen shop in Arizona therefore we feel that our sayings is
    our only salvation.

    If we use any of the sayings submitted then I will personally keep track of
    numbers sold and pay a quarter per to the originator.  Thanks.

    Message: 64826
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans Glans
    Date: 04/18/90  Time: 01:51:17

    YES, I've noticed the bars around high schools.  In fact I live directly
    next door to North High Detention Center.

    And some office buildings give me the same impression.  I guess school gets
    people accustomed to serving a life sentence in employment of the state.

    I am seeing to it that my children can read, write and add.  If they go to
    classes they do not enjoy, that is their business.

    A child is taken by the state at 5 and kept in the system until 65.  There
    is really very little time remaining for life, cept for those two weeks each
    year (which gives the average person just enough time to scrape and paint
    the house.)

    But what gets me are the many who through wealth can and do enjoy prepetual
    spring while flying about from one hemisphere to another at will.

    Would be nice if 'sharing' was in but it's not.  -Rod