### Apollo BBS Archive - November 6, 1988

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    Rod
            I am not so sure about you saying that Christian was trying to Crash
    a system on the Main Board...  That is against the law to even try crashing
    a system... and you post a confesion... joke or not, I would remove it if i
    were you just in case....
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     1:Thanks.

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 17:14:13

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      In my opinion, it would be in poor taste, but then you're not me.
       See You Later
          Dean H.
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     1:        That is why I asked you.......I also thought it would be in poor
     2:taste.  Just checking.
     3:                                Rod

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    Message: 4636
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 23:03:47

    That's right; the Vice Presidency is a lousy job.  John Adams called it
    useless, and John Nance Garner said it wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit.
    One of the great ironies of this campaign is that the Dukakis campaign has
    been trying to say on one hand that Bush should get no credit for the
    useless job of Vice President, while saying on the other hand that it's an
    extremely important job and we should all be worried about Dan Quayle.

    Message: 4637
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Last....
    Subject: Bush
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 01:33:41

      Dukakis also holds Bush personally responsible for every drug dealer that
    the federal government did not imprison according to TV ad of his I saw
    today. I hadn't realized that the Vice President was supposed to be involved
    in such matters.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4638
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 06:42:26

       I belive that Bush WAS supposed to imprison drug dealers, as head of the
    nation drug interdiction task force.
       But anyway, like Bush says, don't forget to vote November 4th.  (Can't
    someone get this guy a pocket calender?)

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 2267
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Disney
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 06:44:30

        True, I had forgotten about the Disney channel.  That would be a good
    place to look for it.  I had been refering to "The Wonderful World of
    Disney" or "Disney's Wonderful World" or "The Disney Sunday Movie" or
    whatever they're calling it these days.

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     /  *  /  Alan
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     1:        But it would be difficult to get a good tape from the channels that
     2:show commercials every few minutes.  Sure you could edit them out but that
     3:is not worth while.  Also they cut a bit from here and a byte from there in
     4:order to make the whole thing fit in the space provided.
     5:        I have a tape of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" that I got from
     6:Disney.  It is one of my all time favorites.  In fact when Disney was
     7:showing it, I signed up for their service.
     8:        Rod
     9:end

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    Message: 55188
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:07:36

    How would you know?

    Message: 55189
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:10:12

    I would be hard-pressed to argue that, say, Murray Rothbard is a
    conservative.  On the other hand, people like Rothbard are on the
    ideological fringe, and while they may be philosophically significant, they
    are politically irrelevant.

    Message: 55190
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Current Wisdom
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:15:58

    From today's New York Times:

    To the Editor:
         Amid all the comments about Gov. Michael S. Dukakis's being a cold
    technocrat, I'd like to tell you a story that may put him in a different
    light.
         In early 1967, I was living in Brookline, Mass., having recently
    relocated from the Back Bay area of Boston.  One evening I was at home
    nursing a flulike condition when the bell to my apartment rang.  The caller
    identified himself as Michael Dukakis, my state representative.  He said
    that he made a point of greeting the newly registered voters in his
    district, and asked if he might come in to meet me and chat awhile.
         I received Representative Dukakis in my bathrobe, with a can of soup in
    hand that I was just about to put on the stove.  Seeing that I was not
    feeling well, Mr. Dukakis asked me to sit down, and proceeded to prepare and
    serve me my soup.  We went on to have a lively conversation for about two
    hours on a wide range of local and national issues.
         I remember him as bright, warm, and engaging, and genuinely interested
    in who I was and what I thought about things.  For me, Michael Dukakis will
    always be the consomme' politician.
                                    Matthew M. Lind
                                    New Rochelle, N.Y., Oct. 11, 1988

    Message: 55191
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:31:24

            That was interesting...  Just because I do not like his political
    views, does not make him a BAD person.  They are all people just like you
    and I, some not worth a hoot, and some well meaning and honest... but it is
    the dishonest politicians that give them ALL a bad name... and I don't care
    what PARTY they represent!
            At least I don't call Democrats "Donkeys" like my counter part does
    to Republicans by calling them "Elephants".

    *=* May the BEST man WIN *=*

    but to make sure.... *=* Vote Republican *=*

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55192
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 21:57:08

    If that last snide remark was aimed at me, Clifford, go into your files and
    archives and show me one message, just ONE, in which I called ANY Republican
    an elephant.
    When you can't find one, either apollogize or shut the heck up!
    You are worse than the leadership of your precious party in twisting other
    people's words around to say what you want them to say instead of what they
    really said.

    Message: 55193
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 22:59:26

    You've twice used the anology that your parents were such knee-jerk
    Republicans that they would vote for an elephant if it were the nominee.  It
    seems to me that the definition of a knee-jerk Democrat is one who would
    vote Democrat even if the nominee were Michael Dukakis.
    Of course, we do need a President who can make good soup, and Bush has been
    strangely silent on that issue.  I wonder if he has something to hide?

    Message: 55194
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 23:43:15

            I did not say you called a particular Republican an Elephant...
    But you used the word "Elephant" in two of your posts...as a slam againt
    Republicans, and it was your anology Paul!

            Now don't you dare tell me to "shut up on my Board"...Unlike you I
    don't Kick users off I don't agree with...you can keep posting your stuff,
    but you let me post mine!

            The posts that you used the word "Elephant" in were 55158 and 55137.
    Let the users decide if it were a slam or not.

    Note the hate: "You are worse than the leadership of your precious party..."
    That was an attack... Paul will dispute this saying I twist his words.

            Besides, my post was not that bad and was ment to be funny , that is
    why no names were mentioned....

    I do not wish to talk Politics or Religion with Paul!  PERIOD!

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    Message: 55195
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 01:36:23

      Yes, I believe that the Libertarian Party can attract widespread support
    without altering its ideology enough to betray the underlying principles
    that separate it from the Republican Party.
      As I explained last time, I used the recognizable form of part of your
    message for specific reasons which have nothing to do with making a parody
    of your position. The version I wrote supported itself with its own
    arguments and was obviously not an attempt to put any words in your mouth.
    Some people will stoop to write an intentionally foolish support of a
    position they disagree with and attempt to pass it off as the work of
    someone else, or at least identify it with that person in jest in order to
    discredit them by proxy. If I had done something like that you would have
    a basis for complaint (or would you?). Since my re-use of derogatory terms
    is annoying, you could simply limit their first-use.
      I remember a James Taranto, of not long ago, who laughed at the idea of
    peace through strength and berated the work ethic itself. This would hardly
    qualify him as a conservative or a libertarian of any stripe. I'm not
    saying that this should still be held against you in spite of your obvious
    enlightenment, I'm just reminding you of it in the context of your claimed
    credentials to 'evaluate' matters for the rest of us.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 55196
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 04:53:10

    You are absolutely correct David. That is exactly what I said, and that is a
    long way from calling any candidate, or any person, an elephant, which is
    what I have been accused of doing by someone who obviously is having a
    problem with reading comprehension.
    By the way, I make excellent soup. Maybe I should run for office?

    Message: 55197
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Clifford
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 05:05:23

    Again you display a pitiful lack of comprehension.
    Let me try to simplify my statement in such a way that even you might be
    able to understand.
    I said, now read this carefully.... I was raised by a family who were such
    staunch supporters of the REpublican party, and so strongly conservative
    (although such terms had not come into use in those days), that they, that
    is my family (that's my parents, my aunts and uncles, my cousins, people
    like that) would vote a Republican ticket no matter who a candidate was.
    Since the elephant is the symbol that has long been adopted by the
    REpublican party as their national symbol, I used that as an analogy.
    In other words, Cliff, I was making an observation on my lineage and their
    political preferences, which, apparently are not much different than yours.
     How you interpret that remark as a slam against anyone is beyond me. The
    only explanation I can think of is that you are so filled with hate and
    bitterness that you cannot see anything in my posts except that which you
    wish to see. That being the case, there is nothing more I can say, except to
    pity you, for such unreasoned bitterness is very self-destructive. It is
    indeed sad to see a friend destroy himself with such lack of reason and
    understanding.

    Message: 55198
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/unions
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 08:38:29

    Your absolutely right about the unions of today. They hardly resemble what
    they were created for. =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 55199
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 08:40:52

    How can "The best man win" when Bush and Dukaka are running?

    Make the American people strong -- * VOTE LIBERTARIAN *

    Message: 55200
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Paul..
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 09:27:40

            I do not want your PITTY....
    But I guess if a Jackass was running for Democrat anything... you would Vote
    for it!

            Your post of last was full of slams and name calling towards me...
    I said in an earlier post that I did not wish to discuss politics or
    religion with you....  I guess you can't read...

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    Message: 55201
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: analogy
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 09:47:35

    ANALOGY, n 1. a similarity or likeness between things.
     There by saying an Elephant is similar to the people that run for office
    under the Republican platform......  Or they have an 'likeness' to an
    elephant....  I am pleased he admitted it was an analogy in his own words.

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    Message: 55202
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Soup
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 09:54:17

            I don't make good soup....  Oh well, not my 'forte'.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55203
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 10:04:45

    Who's complaining?

    Message: 55204
    Author: Jon Kyl
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Nov. 8
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 10:09:39

    Dear Fellow Republicans:

         1988 is an important election year for our country and our state.

         The critical question is whether we will continue with leadership
     that respects the values that make this country great: hard work, thrift,
    family, community, faith.

         We need leaders who want to help the American people keep more of
     their hard earned wages, not pay more taxes to a government already too
    big.

         We influence the direction of our state and nation by the people
    we choose to represent us.  I hope you will be sure to vote on
    November 8.

         Our future depends on it.

                                     Sincerely,
                                          Jon Kyl

    Message: 55205
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 12:37:56

    So vote for Gary Sprunk for U.S. Representative in District 4.

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     1:        I believe it is safe to say that all people, at one time or another,
     2:have told lies.  Therefore all men and women are liars.  You, me, them.
     3:                                Rod
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    Message: 55185
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Ark/Christian
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:08:58

            No, she was just trying to crash it.

    Message: 55186
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Sti

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     1:        No, she was just twaddeling with it.

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    Message: 23
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Modems
    Subject: Prometheus 2400/1200
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:46:03

            The NEW Prometheus 2400G Modem ....  (2400/1200/300 BAUD)

    Now with the Power Supply external...... (the older models had them internal
    and this caused heating problems on some)

    Full HAYES compatible command set PLUS more.....

            From Cliff at Gemini to you for only $168.00 + tax  (Cash only)
            Call 843-3346.....

    Note:  This is an external modem and will work with any computer that
    has an RS-232 serial port.    IBM/ Sanyo/ Atari ST/  etc.

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    Message: 458
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: on Ralphy....
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 16:35:25

            Watch out Annie, Ralphs computer can do MORE and is MORE expandable
    than yours, and he can also do it TWICE as FAST.....  And his printers are
    EPSON compatible and yours can't hold a candle to that...
            Ralphy.... toss me some of that FUDGE....won't you?

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 459
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 09:12:18

    That was unfair. Ralph saves his fudge for me only. Quit trying to nose in
    on my good thing! =+= Annie the AssP =+=

    Message: 460
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Boat
    Date: 11/06/88  Time: 10:51:44

    Annie My Dear, I would rather fish then make love. You can make love
    anytime, but fishing is sometimes a long time between trips.

    About the challenge, you know that I cant draw a thing. I have been working
    on First Choice, How about a spread sheet?

    Cruise the lake, love it along with some good beer.
                       =)) Type at you later - RALPH ((=

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