### Apollo BBS Archive - December 13, 1991

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    Date: 12/12/91  Time: 22:32:37

    [A]bort, [N]ew only, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

    I was trying to figure out why they were so good.  Either you were 150%
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     1:{Try stoned, dude.  I'm always |`}+wstoned.  I don't believe you ever saw m
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    Message: 8749
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Fred on aging
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 05:42:38

     I've been 39 for so long that 3 of my kids have caught up to me, and 2 have
     kept going! Darn, this is getting difficult!

    Message: 8750
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau/imminent death
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 05:45:14

     The only thing imminent with me is a 2 hour clown performance at a
    retirement community this evening. Then there's the two shows I have
    tomorrow. I'll let the Sunday gigs take care of themselves for a little
    while.

    Message: 8751
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod on aging
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:50:31

    Rod my god ... you keep saying that time does not exist but how come if it
    does not, my face keeps getting these little lines..... and the old bones
    are creaking ...... and the memory .....??? Huh? What was that again?
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 8752
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Aging
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 12:51:58

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     1:It is only mass in motion, changing on a continuum.  A seventeen year old
     2:boy goes off to war and three of our years later the boy has white hair and
     3:lots of wrinkles.  The effect of motion, internal and external is in
     4:porportion to change.  In order for the body to rejuvinate one would need a
     5:very leisure lifestyle and {_~r{a lot of de-brainwashing.
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    Message: 8752
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Aging
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 12:51:58

    It might help to express ones age in hexadecimal....

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    Message: 8753
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Fred/Agehex
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 13:17:27

    I started that at 40 decimal and became an instant 28. Now I am 35. It was
    strange there for a while when I turned 42 (decimal) and had to tell people
    I was 2A years old.

    Another alternative is to use French numbers. cinquante-trois doesn't sound
    as bad as fifty-three.

    Message: 8754
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/lines
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 18:12:36

    It is only mass in motion, changing on a continuum.  A seventeen year old
    boy goes off to war and three of our years later the boy has white hair and
    lots of wrinkles.  The effect of motion, internal and external is in
    porportion to change.  In order for the body to rejuvinate one would need a
    very leisure lifestyle and a lot of de-brainwashing.

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    Message: 5242
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
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    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:06:51

    Wow.  Was that Rod?  It made sense, was very clear, brilliant!
    Bravo, my man.

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    Message: 5241
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Thief
    Date: 12/12/91  Time: 21:08:42

    More downtrodden people tend to steal.  More blacks are downtrodden
    therefore more blacks steal.  It isn't because of one's color that makes
    them a thief, it is more of their position in the social order.

    Those lowest on the pecking order exhibit different qualities than the
    higher ones.  The higher oj%.H,X7 legally steal while the lower ones can
    also but will go to jail if caught.

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     1:It was ju~rst good LSD, that's all.
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    a%vsAgX 80490
    Author: $ Funky Alf
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS Systems
    Date: 12/12/91  Time: 23:23:15

    Hi all, I'm just curious about the opinions the APOLLO folks have about
    what I said to Cliff in Email, I thought the other users might want to
    comment on it as well, so I decided to post it as a Public message.

    I enjoy Apollo BBS and its debates on various subjects, I guess my real
    question is, what keeps a BBS going for so long?
    Don't the SysOps ever get tired of leaving their computers on 24 hours a
    day, 7 days a week so the general public can call?

    Merry Christmas to ALL Apollo users, by the way, does anyone else on
    here use GEnie < On-Line service?  I use it and think it's a pretty
    decent service, at least it's a lot less expensive than CompuServe.  I
    liked Prodigy as well until they censored one of my messages I posted on
    their ARTS club bulletin board.  Part of my E-Mail message to Cliff
    follows below.

    If I was running a BBS from my house/apartment, I couldn't keep it
    up forever, I'd have to shut down sometime.  Do you EVER plan on
    shutting down Apollo?  I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'm just
    curious as to what keeps it going, the users keep it going I suppose.
    Happy Holidays!!!!!  BCNU > Funky ALF

    Message: 80491
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fred/judgement
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 05:27:15

     I see no inherent conflict in your understanding of judgement at all,Fred.
    Matter of fact, it makes a lot of sense. Judging others fairly is what GOd
    is all about. Which brings us to the question of why, when God condemns some
    certain action and calls it abominable, do the adherents or proponents of
    that particular action cry "foul!" and consider the judgement unfair? After
    all, God condemned the action long before they participated in it, so they
    can't plead ignorance. God also pronounced judgement and punishment on those
    who do those actions well in advance of their being done, so there can be no
    mistake about that, either.
     To put it on a much simpler level, we all*K^=]"!Q"!IJM
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    breaking posted speed limits. We also know that if we are caught breaking
    that law, there is prescribed punishment to deal with. So, if we do break
    the law, and are caught, who do we blame for our fines? Ourselves, (as we
    should) or the law, or the cop who caught us?
     Now move that same principle up to the level of God's judgement and the
    price we must pay for unrepented sin. Same thing, isn't it? Are we still not
    responsible for our own actions, AND the results thereof?

    Message: 80492
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Funky Alf/last
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 05:41:00

     While I don't propose to answer for Cliff, it is my opinion that what keeps
    Apollo up year after interesting year is the users. We have been blessed
    with a most unusual group of regulars here; people who can, for the most
    part, state widely divergent points of view on any number of topics and
    still remain on friendly terms. Of course, as in all situations where people
    intercommunicate, there are exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking,
    I think that most of us log in day after day, week after week, etc. simply
    because we can't wait to see what's going to happen next.
     Personally, I access 4 BBSes on a pretty much daily basis, and Apollo is
    by far the most interesting and the most diversified. Long live Apollo!
     In closing, thanks, Alf, for reminding us all that every now and then we
    should all face north (or whatever direction is necessary) and give Cliff
    Kolostow a wave of gratitude for putting up with us through thick and thin
    for all these years. Thanks, Cliff!

    Message: 80493
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last/Facing North
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 06:50:00

            Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-Wizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Guys...

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    Message: 80494
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Doesn't make sense
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:48:50

    BD> I'm sorry, but your explanation of how we can personally and
    BD> individually owe for money received for goods and services received
    BD> doesn't make sense.

    I'm sorry, but that sentence doesn't make sense.  Except for the general
    impression conveyed by it that what I said doesn't make sense.

    In the interest of remaining pithy, as I promised, let us continue.  I think
    someone else made an enlightened comment later which may help.  I know Dean
    Hathaway did, but someone else did also.

    For the nonce, suffice to say that once we produced wealth and used it to
    buy things, which we then owned.  The wealth we produced could change form
    (such as from labor to food to gold to land or vice-versa), but the wealth
    was there, in our labor, for the producing.  Now we produce wealth and we
    change its form from wealth to a promissory note.  Only instead of the buyer
    of our wealth owing us the face amount of the promissory note in exchange
    for our wealth, *we* owe the face amount of that promissory note to someone
    else -- the foreign owners of the FED, aided and abetted by a totally,
    criminally, corrupt government.

    You're right.  It doesn't make sense.  And that is my point.  If it doesn't
    make sense, and it is ripping us off, why are we putting up with it?

    Message: 80495
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Land transfers
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:49:49

    BD> Oh, and about not "owning" land -- when did land transfers become
    BD> invalid?

    The first time someone paid for a parcel of land in a medium of exchange
    other than in a commodity of intrinsic value: either gold and silver coin or
    convertible into gold and silver coin.  Ownership doesn't transfer unless
    equal value changes hands in both directions.

    BD> Should I be able to do a title search, find the last "legal"
    BD> transaction on a piece of land, and therefor determine the "true
    BD> current owner" --

    Yes.  In many cases you will find the "true current owner" to be the
    original recipient of the original land grant.

    BD> -- or did the fact that the transfer was "paid" with paper money
    BD> automatically make the owner be the federal reserve?

    In a de facto, but nonetheless ultimately binding, sense, yes.

    The above is my opinion based upon my research.  I do not give legal advice.

    Message: 80496
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Soviet gold
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:50:31

    BD> If they are sitting on so much gold, then why didn't the World Bank or
    BD> some other minion of the New World Order demand it in turn for 'hard
    BD> currency' ?

    Payment in cash is the manner in which sovereigns and sovereign citizens
    transact business; the payment of cash concludes the transaction.  They
    didn't demand the gold because they don't want another sovereign country
    with sovereign citizens; they want another borrower-servant like the U.S.

    Message: 80497
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean Hathaway
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:51:03

    RE: your messages #80368 and 80369.

    Very accurate and very appropriate comments, and well said.

    Message: 80498
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Beginning WWII
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:52:06

    FS> At the beginning of WWII how many couples were living in 1800 SF
    FS> houses, had two new cars, a boat, and took 3 week vacations every
    FS> year??  How many couples back then were able to send their kids to
    FS> college?  How many had elaborate stereo systems?  How many had summer
    FS> cabins?

    Definition:  In this and all previous and subsequent messages, I use the
    word 'FED' in the same way economists use it, i.e., to mean 'Federal Reserve
    Bank.'

    At the beginning of WWII the health of our economy had already been
    compromised for 28 years by the establishment of the foreign-owned FED in
    1913, by a monumental Depression-with-a-capital-'D' following the
    FED-engineered stock market crash of 1929 (which would not have happened
    otherwise), and by the FED-engineered theft of half our Constitutional
    monetary standard of gold and silver in 1934.  No, not too many couples had
    two new cars, a boat, and took 3 week vacations every year, or were able to
    send their kids to college, or had summer cabins.  (Elaborate stereo systems
    had not yet been invented, but had they been, not too many people would have
    had them, either.)

    However, absent these economic problems caused by the FED, the answer would
    have to be "Anyone who wanted to work to achieve these things."

    Message: 80499
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Money vs. Wealth
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:53:33

    FS> You are still confusing our medium of exchange with our wealth.

    I am not.  Under a gold and silver standard, the medium of exchange equals
    the wealth of the nation; the two are directly interchangeable and the
    economy is stable enough to fight off several attempts by banksters to
    destroy it, and a man's labor is his most valuable commodity.  Under the
    current system, with no intrinsic value to the medium of exchange, the money
    is worthless to the person who labors to earn it because he not only doesn't
    own the wealth he buys with that money, he owes interest to the FED for
    using their worthless paper script in the first place -- check that, we ALL
    owe interest to the FED for using the worthless paper script in the first
    place.  Therefore, for the wage-earner of today, the medium of exchange vs.
    wealth equation is zero-sum-zero.  He works his tail off and the FED owns
    both his wealth *and* his medium of exchange *and* his future labor to pay
    the interest.

    The cynical falsehood that the medium of exchange has no relationship to the
    wealth is one of the fundamental lies promoted by the FED banksters for
    their own profit.  You are beginning to sound as though you have a vested
    interest in perpetuating their fraud.  Are you, perchance, a bankster?  Does
    your livelihood depend upon usury, or upon perpetuating the oxymoronic myth
    of "gainful employment" for the wage-earner?

    Message: 80500
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Service economy?
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:54:35

    FS> Right you are Green one.  The wealth of a nation is not in it's gold or
    FS> silver that is rotting away in a vault.

    Very true.  The wealth of a nation is in its gold and silver coin *in
    circulation,* where the people who produce the wealth of the nation are paid
    with it and become wealthy themselves, and cannot, therefore, be exploited
    by autocratic elitists who want their skills and labor for just enough
    pennies to keep them alive but hungry.

    FS> It is in the things it can produce out of RAW MATERIALS.

    Also true, which it produces less and less of as the producers of society --
    the middle class -- get less and less remuneration for producing it, get
    taxed more and more to pay for useless slugs in Congress and useless slugs
    on the welfare rolls and useless slugs in the bankster financial cartel.

    FS> We want to be a "service" society.

    Don't include me when you say "we," and I think very few other people who
    have the faintest notion of what supports our economy wants us to be a
    "service" economy.  We are being forced into a service economy by our gov't
    lackeys of the FED, who want our wealth and are taking it.

    Message: 80501
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Land vs. Skills 1/2
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:55:44

    FS> ... service industry stuff is essentially a parasitic activity that
    FS> feeds off of the REAL PRODUCERS in the country.

    Who ARE the "real producers" in the country, Fred?

    FS> The man who owns LAND has real wealth.  The man who owns only his
    FS> skills is only worth what he can shill himself for.

    I am not the kind of BBS'er who types in the printed form of derisive
    laughter (like 'heeheeheehoohoohaha!'), but that remark came awfully close
    to causing me to do so.  That's rich!  Given the current fraudulent economic
    system, you don't own any land, and what land you *think* you own but
    actually only manage can be taken away from you at gov't's whim.  Land
    doesn't make you wealthy.  Education and skills, on the other hand, cannot
    be taken away from you, and given an honest monetary standard of intrinsic
    value, can make you very wealthy -- as wealthy as any land baron.

    If you own land under today's fraudulent economic system, particularly if
    you own commercial land, you don't own wealth, you own debt.  You may enjoy
    the illusion and perhaps the trappings of power and wealth, but if land is
    all you have and you look down your nose at the working man and his
    sovereign ownership of skills (as I am coming to believe that you do) then
    you are indeed the enemy of liberty and I doubt you even understand the

    Message: 80502
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Land vs. Skills 2/2
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:56:29

    meaning of the word 'liberty' or the word 'principle.'  You obviously only
    understand the word 'profit.'

    That may define our inability to come to a consensus of opinion on the
    subject.  The conversion of skills into wealth is not profit; it is "fair
    exchange."  It is not, under our Constitution, taxable, and that makes the
    working man more powerful and potentially more wealthy than any commercial
    robber baron.  That's why land barons, politicians, and other 'profit
    shills' hate the working man with a vengeance and use every dirty trick and
    political Ponzi Scheme available to subvert him into another profit shill
    just like themselves.

    Message: 80503
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taxes *poof*
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:57:43

    BD> Want to stop paying taxes on land, Cliff?  Convince enough voters in
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    BD> county taxes on land.

    Bet me.  The people of California tried something very similar to that; they
    passed an initiative requiring no increases in property taxes except upon
    the purchase of the property by a new owner.  At least part of the purpose,
    besides putting a cap on property taxes, was to put a cap on the bloated
    bureaucracy running roughshod over the people's rights.  So what happened?
    Well, none of the useless bureaucracy was cut in the slightest; the only
    budget items cut were in the realm of 'essential services' -- i.e., fire,
    police, medical.  This in spite of, in direct violation of, the clear
    wording of the new law.  The backers of the new law went to court to force
    the state to comply and they ran out of money before the state did.  End of
    story.

    Message: 80504
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: We, the People
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 07:59:16

    BD> --- do you really mean "we" as in "we the people" ?  Not individually,
    BD> but in thgf9M"!QzUI:=YI959Q:%11BY"=e1
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    BD> of course, we'll have to bail it out (or go to war) ????

    Aha!  YOU are the one who asked the enlightened question!  Of course that is
    what I mean.  I thought that was clear, but perhaps not.

    Also, I have tried to consistently use the term 'frn' when I mean 'federal
    reserve note' and 'dollar' when I mean 25.8 grains of gold .9 fine or 371.25
    grains of silver .9 fine.  Perhaps the confusion arose because you didn't
    yet understand the difference.  You might want to note the first and most
    obvious sign of fraud on a frn: the fact that it calls itself, it is labeled
    as, right on the bill, a "dollar" -- when in fact a "dollar" is defined by
    law as the above weights of gold or silver at the above fineness, and you
    cannot exchange (redeem) a frn for a dollar (even though the Gold Reserve
    Act of 1934 specifically exempts currency from its provisions).

    As a second indication of fraud, you might note that at the time the Gold
    Reserve Act of 1934 was passed, you could still exchange a 'frn' for a
    'dollar' on the street -- they were worth approximately the same.  Try to do
    that today and see how far you get.

    Message: 80505
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Sorry, Arch
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:02:51

    Well, Archimedes, after several months of listening to and studying your
    posts, I have to confess I'm no closer to having faith in the conspiracy
    theories you propose than I was.

    I don't doubt that you've spent an awful lot of time in research and are,
    yourself, truly convinced of the truth of the allegations you make, but they
    just don't hold water for me.  As for the documentation contained in
    "America ... Occupied!," it, too, leaves me cold.  "Occupied!" spends a
    great deal of time documenting many minor points which lead to a "so you can
    easily see" statement of conclusion which, in fact, requires a great leap of
    faith to see.

    I don't, however, consider the matter closed.  You may well one day expose
    that one piece of the puzzle that makes your whole theory fall into place
    for me.  Until then, though, sorry.

    Message: 80506
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Arch-Inflation
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:03:13

    BB> Our money would have been devalued only if we had more, but were paying
    BB> the same amount, which is exactly what you seem to be advocating.

    A> On the contrary, our money is 'devalued' when it is worth less
    A> than previously.  That situation occurs when we have less for
    A> paying the same amount.

    Of course you're right.  I must have been drain bamaged that day.  I'd still
    contend, though, that we're paying more AND getting more.  Whether we're
    getting ENOUGH more to justify the greater amounts we're paying is, I think,
    a subjective matter.

    Message: 80507
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Great Apollo
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:03:44

    > ...what keeps a BBS going for so long?

    I hate to admit it -- and I mean REALLY HATE -- but I agree with Paul's
    message on every count.  It's the users and the SysOp.

    And, to emphasize in my own brown-nosing way, it's very easy to overlook the
    SysOp's impact.  In my time as Cub SysOp, I've discovered that Cliff *really
    does* agonize over Apollo at times.  The conflict between freedom of
    expression and what should be allowed is one he gives a great deal of
    thought and care to.  The balance is struck pretty well, IMHO.

    Message: 80508
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod Williams 1/5
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:16:19

    RW> In any case everyone is  part of a system of some kind.  It is always a
    RW> bonus when the system you are living in is fair and equitable.  But it
    RW> is not always that way.  There are 'shades' of democracies, monarchies,
    RW> and the like.  Some are better than others but none are perfect.

    The general sense I get of this paragraph is that you feel totally helpless
    and without any authority over the kind of system you are living in.  This
    is pure B.S.  You have been handed, virtually on a (gold and) silver
    platter, a system of gov't like no other in the history of the world, one in
    which *you* do have the authority to change the system when the system steps
    outside the boundaries prescribed for it by the founding fathers, aka the
    framers of the U.S. Constitution.  Unlike other gov't's, our gov't does not
    rule under the principle of the "divine right of kings to govern."  It has
    come to believe that it does, but it is wrong, and when it acts upon that
    wrong belief it is unlawful regardless of what mealy-mouthed laws it has
    pretended to pass which purport to 'authorize' its actions.

    However, this precious and yes, sacred, liberty you and I and other
    Americans have been given comes with an equally precious and sacred
    responsibility:  when the government We, the People created, and to which
    We, the People gave certain sharply limited powers, steps over that
    Constitutional line of authority and engages in activities which are not
    authorized by the Constitution of the United States, We, the People have

    Message: 80509
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Road Williams 2/5
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:17:34

    the sacred responsibility of stopping it.  No one else will do it for us.
    No one will even help us.

    I will say to you as Samuel Davis said to those wimps opposing the
    Declaration of Independence on the same issues you raise, i.e., the
    'inconvenience' of conflict; the fact that many of them "couldn't afford" to
    defend their inherited and unalienable rights:

         "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of
          servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go
          home from us in peace.  We seek not your counsels or arms.
          Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.  May your
          chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget ye
          were our countrymen."  -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

    This is not to minimize the cost of the conflict, but only to point out that
    freedom is never free.  "The tree of liberty must be nourished from time to
    time with the blood of patriots."  (That's a quote I *think* is by Thomas
    Jefferson, but I'm not positive.)  Many patriots gave their lives in defense
    of liberty, and some have given their lives today in that same endeavour
    against the same forces of tyranny and oppression.  Yet, sadly, many
    thought, during the American Revolution, and still think today, that their
    cash registers were more important than liberty.

    Message: 80510
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Road Williams 3/5
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:18:31

    I am trying to not be too disparaging of your concerns over the cost of
    standing up for your rights -- the rights of us all -- but you can probably
    tell what I think of the comparative value of those concerns even though I
    share them, deal with them daily, *pay* for them daily in agonizing worry
    over the balance I try to strike between my responsibility to my family and
    my responsibility to the liberty of our nation.

    Freedom Fighting is not a lucrative enterprise; if it becomes so you are not
    fighting for freedom, you a fighting for a profit.  Not only that, but if
    you find a way to fight for freedom *and* make money by doing so, you will
    be assaulted, arrested, portrayed as a slimy criminal money launderer or
    some such in the press (even though the act of 'laundering' money
    legitimately acquired is one of our fundamental liberties), and you will be
    tried and convicted and incarcerated on trumped-up charges and forgotten
    about except, perhaps, by those closest to you.  Sometimes even they will
    abandon you.

    What are you supposed to do?  I don't know.  I can't lay out a script for
    you and I wouldn't if I could.  Your destiny is in your hands.  You will be
    accountable for what you do or fail to do, I believe, on a higher level than
    anything anyone can do to you here.  But I do know that regardless of cost,
    you *can* do *something.*

    Message: 80511
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod Williams 4/5
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:19:47

    But only if you get off of this feeling-sorry-for-yourself I-don't-like-it-
    here I'm-a-gonna-commit-hari-kiri-as-soon-as-I-can binge and start dealing
    with the real world instead of running from it and trying to make everyone
    feel they have to be careful in talking to you, for if they say the wrong
    thing they could be responsible for your physical demise.  This, too, is
    pure, unadulterated B.S. -- worse, it is manipulative.

    You can probably tell I'm not a psychologist.  I don't pretend to be.  But
    every message I've read from you sounds like a backhanded approach to a
    suicide note, with a whole lot of self-aggrandizing trappings to rationalize
    your obsession to take the cowardly way out into some kind of
    higher-level-sounding pseudo-spiritual catharsis, to make yourself sound
    like an imprisoned angel.  It doesn't wash with me.

    Look, if you are that depressed, go see a doctor.  Depression is an
    extremely common malady among people and most of the time it is caused by a
    simple chemical imbalance and is completely correctable with mild
    medication.  It is my understanding that the more severe the depression, the
    stronger the thoughts of escaping this mortal coil, the easier it is to
    treat.  It is *not* a moral weakness, nor is it really even a mental
    disease.

    Message: 80512
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod Williams 5/5
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:20:33

    Once you've done something about that problem, *then* come back and talk to
    me about what steps you can take to help, if you still want to help.  As
    things are now, you wouldn't survive, and your death would not have any
    "purpose" as you put it.  We don't need kamikaze squads; we need
    level-headed determined non-violent freedom fighters with the strength of
    their convictions and the patience and resolve to see it through.

    Message: 80513
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Threat to N.W.O.
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:21:49

    GL> Following the huge vote for independence in Ukraine, Mikhail Gorbachev
    GL> on Soviet television bemoaned the possible effects of "disintegration
    GL> of the country" -- citing in particular "a threat to the new world
    GL> order".

    GL> So, is this another reason to cheer the citizens of Ukraine?

    I think the citizens of the Ukraine should be cheered, but not for that
    reason.  More likely, "a threat to the new world order" means "a threat to
    Gorbachev's leadership of the new world order."

    I am heartened to see some political resistance to the new world order going
    on in Britain -- the same stuff that caused Margaret Thatcher to topple.
    However, I am not heartened too much: perhaps I am cynical, but I've seen
    this sort of thing appear to get knocked back and then suddenly,
    inexplicably, it's 'in' -- too many times to hold out much hope for this go
    'round.

    Message: 80514
    Author: $ Archi Medes
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Counterfeiting
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 08:25:09

    GL> Silver, being a little less dense than lead (10.5), is a different
    GL> matter.  I'd think silver coins could be faked both practically and
    GL> profitably.

    Not nearly as easily or as profitably as with the fraudulent frns.  And I
    haven't wanted to get into the discussions here about ease of counterfeiting
    either gold or silver coin, but with the exception of what you (Gordon
    Little) said about the difficulty and expense of counterfeiting gold coins,
    which was accurate, nothing else said here indicates the slightest
    *practical* knowledge of metallurgy or the incredible ease with which a
    counterfeit or even 'shaved' gold or silver coin may be detected.

    GL> Knowing the Eureka anecdote, and with the topic of density weighing
    GL> heavily on my mind, I wonder if this tale is what made Archimedes
    GL> choose his handle.

    No, it isn't.

    Message: 80515
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/God
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 09:16:00

    I see no God here.

    Message: 80516
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Arch/Barter
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 10:43:01

    DO you *really* think a barter economy is workable on any sort of large
    scale??  Even primitive tribes evolved the use of money when they achieved
    any sort of "size" as barter is simply not a workable system for "normal"
    business purposes on any wide scale.

    Message: 80517
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ARch/Eyeballs
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 10:50:24

    Don't you have eyes???  Is it that hard for you to see the difference
    between the living standards of the time of the "gold" standard compared to
    today??  Are you seriouly suggesting that in the late 1800's and early
    1900"s when there was no such thing as rapid, countrywide travel, decent
    houseing, many many jobs at the level of sweatshop, limited medical care,
    limited educational opportunities, and on and on, that you can't see that
    the standard of living OFF the gold standard has gone up more or less
    steadily, indicating that MORE of us share in the TOTAL wealth of the
    nation.  (sorry for the convoluted sentence).  In a nutshell, you don't need
    to look at "documentation" to see what is obvious to the unaided eye.  Our
    living standard NOW is far better then it was THEN (gold standard days).
    The fact that a 1910 25 cent haircut now cost $13.00 is immaterial - our
    income has gone up a compensating amount.

    Message: 80518
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: arch/fortunes
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 10:58:23

    Perhaps you can explain how a wealthy man has to put gold into circulation
    if his Wealth is a big apartment building and he collects rent from the
    tenents every month sufficent to pay for all he needs?  As long as he owns
    the apt he has a steady stream of income (whether it is gold, or paper
    money) to spend on whatever he wants.  He stays "wealthy" no matter what
    since his "wealth" is not only of intrinsic value but also produces an
    income stream.

    Message: 80519
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ROD/Judgement
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 11:01:24

    Thanks Rod, for the Bible Quote.  Makes my suggested interpetation seem
    fairly reasonable IMHO.

    Message: 80520
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Judgement
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 11:11:17

    What you say is exactly right (message 80491).  The thing you left out
    though is that while most all of us (Archimedes excepted) "believe" in the
    "rule book" for speed limits, a great many of us do not believe in YOUR rule
    book(bible) as the *final* word on what's acceptable and whatq9[	$U4at
    doesn't make the bible *wrong*, it just makes it inapplicable for a great
    many of us.  And to use your example, the analogy would be that very few of
    us choose to follow the BRITISH rule book on driving even though it is a
    perfecty fine rule book - we just don't think it is applicable to us.
      SInce many of us don't believe your particular religion, why would we
    accept judgments based on the rule book of your religion?
     But we have drifted off the original subject a tad.  The original bone of
    contention was simply that you appeared to be claiming the you judged no
    one, that only God did.  Yet you expessed a number of opinons that to me
    indicated that you did, in fact, make many judgements about others on the
    basis of what you thought god had said about it IN THE PAST (again, for
    purposes of this discussin I will accept the bible in total).
      Do you still feel that you are NOT forming judgments about others??

    Message: 80521
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Arch
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 11:24:49

    You STILL can't seem to understand what the average person is using FRNs
    for.  I don't know of anyone who is stashing FRNs under their mattress in
    the deluded belief that they are putting something valuble under there.   I
    also don't understand why you persist in the notion that we are all somehow
    FORCED to use FRNs and thereby screwed.  In todays USA it is EVERY easy to
    use virtually NO FRNs - you can pay everything by check or charge card
    thereby completely eliminating all connection with FRNs.  Instead of
    stuffing FRNs under the mattress you just let you electronic *money*
    accumulate in the bank on their ledgers.
       The only part of what you are saying that makes any sense to me is that
    in addition to the use of FRNs as a medium of exchange the QUANTITY of FRNs
    can eK[X7ipulated to some degree making individual one more or less
    valuble.  But it is really the TOTAL money supply that is being manipulated,
    not jsut the FRNs in circulation.
      And to look at it from another standpoint, wouldn't it be EASIER for
    people to just forget about FRNs having ANY intrinsic value then to try and
    use GOLD COINS which would be an impossible situation.  As far as I can see,
    the only way your system could really work would be for GOLD coins to be THE
    units of exchange and for the gvt to be completely disconnected with any
    valuatin placed on them.  If you allow the gvt to involve itself in setting
    the value of GOLD then you have not really changed much of anything.  Again,
    you entire argument revolves around somehow FORCING the gvt to do something
    and preventing them from ever UNDOING it.  IN reagard to a GOLD standard,
    even that would only work if we were isolationists.

    Message: 80522
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Arch/Wealth
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 11:35:01

    I'd like to see you feed cattle with your "knowledge" or sleep inside your
    "skills" or cross a creek with your "education" instead of a bridge.   It
    seems that you get fa{ther and farther removed from reality with your
    theories.
      If one were to judge which people have the most accurate understanding of
    how our economy works on the basis of "who's got the most" it would seem to
    me that the peoplm xou seem to think are the ones who DON"T understand
    things are the ones who rather obviously DO understand things.  Not
    directing this at you personally, you may be fabulously wealthy for all I
    know, but from what I've seen of people who tend to express views similar to
    yours, they tend to not be among the economically elite.  That is not a
    condemnation of their ideas but it indicates to me that they are NOT able to
    understand how things are REALLY working around them.  AN alternate view,
    and one that might be equally valid, is that they DO understand buy choose
    to tilt at windmills anyways instead of acquiring some wealth and gaining a
    position of power in order to actaully CHANGE the system.

    s

    Message: 80523
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fred/Wealth
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 13:20:36

    Perhaps it would be better to normalize standard-of-living to hours of work
    required to purchase. Obviously,  it is meaningless to talk about PC's,
    Televisions, and other modern conveniences when comparing 19th century
    standard of living with a modern standard of living, but one might look at
    how much a pair of pants cost etc....

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     1:I{'ll read your answer off-line and get back.  I scanned the messages and I

     2:get the impression that you think I am being negative about life in general.
     3: This is not so.  I have a positive attitude about life and about death.
     4:When I speak of d{wu[yYko{M[eath and dying, I am looking solely at reality, a good
     5:reality at that.
     6:
     7:I am raising eight children, or at this time, six, because two are married.
     8:I run a business and my outlook and reflection is positive.
     9:
    10:I visualize beyond earth life even though I am not positive what is there
    11:although I do know that whatever it is must be answerable because something
    12:does happen.
    13:
    14:When I started out in life on my own and with Jasmine I was, and still am,
    15:determined to make everything go smoothly.  I meet people from time to time
    16:that say things like, "the way my luck goes, everything will mess up."  Not
    17:me.  I say and think the opposite because when one has a family depending on
    18:them, that is the only way to think.  I just wanted to let you know that
    19:what you read or have ever read in one of my messages is with a positive
    20:slant.  Nothing is wrong with death or dying.  Never, never take FUN out of f

    21:funeral.  That's it dude.     Rod
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    Message: 80524
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Archemedes
    Date: 12/13/91  Time: 18:27:34

    I'll read your answer off-line and get back.  I scanned the messages and I
    get the impression that you think I am being negative about life in general.
     This is not so.  I have a positive attitude about life and about death.
    When I speak of deeath and dying, I am looking solely at reality, a good
    reality at that.

    I am raising eight children, or at this time, six, because two are married.
    I run a business and my outlook and reflection is positive.

    I visualize beyond earth life even though I am not positive what is there
    although I do know that whatever it is must be answerable because something
    does happen.

    When I started out in life on my own and with Jasmine I was, and still am,
    determined to make everything go smoothly.  I meet people from time to time
    that say things like, "the way my luck goes, everything will mess up."  Not
    me.  I say and think the opposite because when one has a family depending on
    them, that is the only way to think.  I just wanted to let you know that
    what you read or have ever read in one of my messages is with a positive
    slant.  Nothing is wrong with death or dying.  Nev, never take FUN out of
    funeral.  That's it dude.     Rod

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    12:does happen.
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    14:When I started out in life on my own and with Jasmine I was, and still am,
    15:determined to make everything go smoothly.  I meet people from time to time
    16:that say things like, "the way my luck goes, everything will mess up."  Not
    17:me.  I say and think the opposite because when one has a family depending on
    18:them, that is the only way to think.  I just wanted to let you know that
    19:what you read or have ever read in one of my messages is with a positive
    20:slant.  Nothing is wrong with death or dying.  Nev, never take FUN out of
    21:funeral.  That's it dude.     Rod

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    Message: 49
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Journey
    Subject: Why?
    Date: 08/04/91  Time: 02:38:08

    Trying to figure out the Twilight Zone?  But that's the whole point!  You're
    NOT supposed to!

    FREE PEE-WEE HERMAN!

    Message: 50
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Macabre
    Subject: Pee-Wee News
    Date: 08/04/91  Time: 13:02:20

        I hear that there is a new Pee-Wee dance on the horizon for 1991.

        It's done to the tune of "I Touch Myself."

    noosniagagnimocsisusejlllllllllllllyraD

    Message: 51
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Pee-Wee?
    Date: 08/13/91  Time: 16:43:41

       FRY PEE-WEE HERMAN!

      We all live in a   ....,,,,________nnhn____   yellow subroutine

    Message: 52
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: this place
    Date: 08/22/91  Time: 04:18:04

    This is only my second visit to the Twilight Zone, and I find myself
    wondering if there are other Sigs that pop up even less frequently.

    Message: 53
    Author: $ Thad Coons
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: I don't know
    Date: 08/26/91  Time: 22:20:16

    how I got here, either, this is my first time.
     So, since I have trouble thinking of anything Bizarre (except my own way of
    thinking), Imaginative (except daydreams), Macabre (except my life if I
    don't figure out how to satisfy the Powers That Be), or any interesting
    Sights or Sounds (except
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!)
    And since I don't know enough mathematics to even discuss N dimensions
    properly, I think I will attempt to [J]ourney elswhere for the evening....
    *Poof*

    Message: 54
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: This sig. huh?
    Date: 08/29/91  Time: 17:28:32

    Where am I? Where's Rod? Not Rod my God, but Serling! Oh! He's dead?

    What's that I smell? Oh! It's just Mike with that dead dog again! Gimmie
    five Rod mah man!!! That is by far the best advice I ever heard!

                                -=* BARBIE *=-

    Message: 55
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Imagination
    Subject: Laws
    Date: 08/31/91  Time: 23:22:52

    There are laws governing when you get into the Twilight Zone and when you
    don't.

    They are very complicated.

    They take years to figure out.

    When you do figure them out, and post them on here in EXACTLY the right
    syntax (which you have to guess at, they don't give you any clues), a
    special procedure is invoked.

    First, a little dot appears in the center of your screen.  It grows larger
    and larger, revealing itself as a HUGE image of Rod Serling.

    Then your computer blows up, and you with it.

    Message: 56
    Author: $ Don Hicks
    Category: Imagination
    Subject: What the...
    Date: 09/01/91  Time: 01:22:52

    Yo Homey, I don't think we in Kansas no mo!

     Reality... I don't think so! (tm)

    Message: 57
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Journey
    Subject: Me again
    Date: 09/07/91  Time: 21:05:56

    My first visit was in October 1990, the second was May 1991. Since then it's
    been every 4-5 weeks.

    Caller # 163726 (26 today)
    It is now 09/07/91  21:01:27
    Last on @ 09/05/91  19:18:02
    Last message read was  (77991)
    Message range is (77779-78030)
    You have logged in 1806 times
    *=* You have 2 letters *=*

    Message: 58
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Sight & Sound
    Subject: read,read,read,read
    Date: 09/07/91  Time: 21:32:54

            You
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
                    are
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
                            in
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
                                    the
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
                                            Twilight Zone
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
                                                    fool!
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest

            (Burp)

    Message: 59
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: Wow
    Date: 09/11/91  Time: 20:52:28

    Cliffy got a new toy!

    Caller # 163835 (24 today)
    It is now 09/11/91  20:45:58
    You have been on 00:10
    Message range is (77816-78068)
    The SYSOP is out
    Shields 10 %

    Does this mean anything?
    What does it all mean?
    Who are you?
    Are we areselves?

    I'm getting dizzy...

    Message: 60
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Serling
    Date: 09/13/91  Time: 10:58:05

      I just watched 'Seven Days In May' yesterday, and I remember being
    surprised that Rod Serling was in the credits. He was either the director,
    or wrote the screenplay, I forget which.
      There must be a connection between my watching that film and landing here.
      See You later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 61
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Who knows?
    Date: 09/14/91  Time: 05:56:40

     WHere am I? Who am I? Why am I here? Why am I anywhere? Who cares?
     Golly, it's sure dark in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     I think I am goin around in circles! Well, at least, I think. WEll, I think
    I think.
     Hmmmmmmmmm. THat last one puts me in good company.
     Until the next time........................adios.

    Message: 62
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Journey
    Subject: Canada?
    Date: 10/04/91  Time: 00:24:34

    Anyone know anything about Lake Louise, Alberta Canada?  All I know at the
    moment was that it is going to be cold.  I'll tell you all about it when I
    get back.

    Message: 63
    Author: $ Paul Carelli
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Well...
    Date: 10/06/91  Time: 12:41:13

       This is my first visit here.  I didn't even know the place existed.  At
    first I thought it was a penalty for logging on a second time.  I wonder if
    that could be the trigger?

    Message: 64
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Disconnected
    Date: 10/06/91  Time: 14:46:08

            You have reached 246-1432, however it has been disconnected and you
    are here all alone.  The rest of the Apollo users have journeyed off on the
    NCC-1705 U.S.S. Yorktown in search of adventure.  You are now trapped inside
    a disconnected number.  beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep-beep.......

    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest

            Don't believe me hey...  Just hit the [O]ther members CMD

                    -filc->  *=* pOsyS ollopA 'ythgiM' eht *=*

    Message: 65
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Macabre
    Subject: info, etc.
    Date: 10/08/91  Time: 22:10:31

    Caller # 164579 (23 today)
    It is now 10/08/91  22:02:55
    Last on @ 10/08/91  19:59:42
    Last message read was  (78798)
    Message range is (78530-78804)
    You have logged in 1848 times

    I just love it that Apollo is still version 6.0 after the Twilight Zone gets
    added, and this Skip/Rest thing, too.

    Message: 66
    Author: $ Rod Serling
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: gniht tseR/pikS
    Date: 10/09/91  Time: 22:31:52

    llet ton tsum uoy tub ,esu ot sruoy si DMC [ESUAP] evisule ehT
     tisiv yeht nehw terces sti nrael lliw uoy sa yehT  .ti esu ot woh no srehto
                                                              .enoZ thgilIWT eht

               :retne ,liam ni ro tsop a ni DMC [ESUAP] eht esu oT
                                                                         [ESUAP]
     drow eht esacne ot erus eB  .evoba sa flesti yb lla enil a no
              .nwohs sa slobmys 'naht-retaerg' dna 'naht-ssel' eht neewteb ESUAP

                                      .S.R
                                    .llet ohw esoht ot enoZ motnahP   .S.P

    Message: 68
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Paul Carelli
    Date: 10/12/91  Time: 01:39:32

    Maybe logging in a second time in a row affects the odds of winding up here,
    it just happened to me too.

    Message: 69
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Imagination
    Subject: Learning experience
    Date: 10/13/91  Time: 22:23:31

    I've been here four or five times at least.  It's getting to be less bizarre
    now, more like home even?  And at last I've learned something useful.  What
    do you suppose that is?

    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest

    Why, how to put these Read and Skip questions into a post, of course!

    (That's assuming Rod Serling's post wasn't a hoax!)

    So now those of us who have been here can guess that when somebody uses the
    PAUSE command on another SIG, they've been here too.  But those of us who
    haven't, won't guess.  Secret Club, anybody?

    Message: 71
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Macabre
    Subject: Number of the Beast
    Date: 10/29/91  Time: 23:53:08

    Yesterday I logged in to Apollo and I got this:

         Caller # 165121 (12 today)
         It is now 10/28/91  12:17:58
         Last on @ 10/27/91  22:48:49
         Last message read was  (79353)
         Message range is (79120-79373)
         You have logged in 666 times

    So, am I becoming more demonic, more beastly, or what?

    This is amazing, though.  I posted the LAST message on this SIG, and it was
    only 16 days ago.  We were just talking about frequency of access at the GT
    on the 20th.  I seem to be getting into this little hell more frequently
    than ever.  Could that 666 have something to do with it?

    I'm seeing stars...     *     *           *
                         *      *     * *          *
                          *  *       *      *       *
                           *      *     **       *        GOODNIGHT, ALL!

    "Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."

         - Arthur C. Clarke, *The Nine Billion Names of God*, New York, May 1952

    Message: 72
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Journey
    Subject: Prophetic...
    Date: 10/30/91  Time: 16:11:48

    I am entering the Twilight Zone.
    I am getting married.
    Marriage is the Twilight Zone?

    Message: 73
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: Why is there air.
    Date: 10/31/91  Time: 16:12:41

    There is hair to keep your head warm and to keep your armpits warm and to
    keep some other things warm.  WIthout hair we would all look like the
    coneheads.
    Opps, that was air wasn't it.  There is air to keep your hair warm.  Without
    air we would all look like those folks on ST:TNG who let all the air out of
    the cargo hold to jettison the cargo and douse the fire.  Yes indeed, we all
    need air.  Maybe more then we need hair.  On the other hand, Capt Kirk wears
    a toupe so maybe for some people hair is as important as air.  After all, he
    gets his air free but has to pay for the hair.  conversely, we pay people to
    cut our hair which would indicate that it is possible to have too muchof a
    good thing.  Then there is the connection between hair and air dryers.  If
    you get hair in your dryer it really stinks.  I bet that happens to Michael
    James a lot, eh Mikey???
       But I digest.  I really don't know why there is air or hair.
    Numerologically speaking though, hair has a higher total number then air
    does.  So that must mean something.  Probably means that George Bush
    secretly lusts after Barbara Walters.  I wish I knew.

    Message: 74
    Author: $ Paul Carelli
    Category: Journey
    Subject: Twice
    Date: 11/14/91  Time: 17:40:23

      I've been on here twice now and I still have not figured it out.  I did
    type my log-on stuff very fast.  I wonder if that could have anything to do
    with it?

    Message: 75
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Sight & Sound
    Subject: Frederick
    Date: 11/21/91  Time: 11:07:02

    I don't usually use a hair or air dryer, but the shower drain gets clogged
    up a lot and THAT stinks when you put Drano in it.

    Message: 76
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Journey
    Subject: getting here
    Date: 11/23/91  Time: 06:00:00

    Try this.  You must not deviate from these directions.

    First, obtain a quantity of helium.  During the login process, inhale the
    helium, and recite (loudly) --- "I'm the Sysop (sigh-sop) and you've lost
    your status!"

    Rapidly spin counter-clockwise four times in your chair while yelling ---
    "Mitchy Moo Moo, you've crashed the system (sigh-stem)!"

    This will definitely get you into the [TWI]light Zone.  Hey, it might even
    get me into the [PHA]ntom Zone!

    Message: 77
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Imagination
    Subject: Gordon/names
    Date: 11/23/91  Time: 12:41:32

    Why did you give away *the end* of the story?

    (for the record books:)
    Caller # 165824 (16 today)
    It is now 11/23/91  12:36:59
    Last on @ 11/21/91  19:59:37
    Last message read was  (79915)
    Message range is (79691-79947)
    You have logged in 1890 times
    *=* You have 1 letter *=*

    Message: 78
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Journey
    Subject: How did I get here
    Date: 11/27/91  Time: 01:47:01

    This is my first time that I can remember have access to this SIG. I think
    it has something to do with how many messages you post in a given amount of
    time. I say that because lately I have been posting more messages than I
    ever did before. And all the people I seen here are the ones who regularly
    post messages on this system.

                            <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 79
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Sight & Sound
    Subject: Well
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 15:17:06

    this is the  second time I"ve fallen into this area.   Joe may be right, it
    may have to do with the number of postings.  It must also require $tatus, I
    don't think I've seen any non-$tatus users in here.  Perhaps this is a
    computers version of an out of body experiance??  OOCE?
            .
          ..  . .....
     ... . ... ....... .. . .
       .  .. . ...... .. .
     . .. ..... . . ...
    . . . .. .. .. ... . . ... ..
     .... ... ...
     do DO do do      do DO do do

    Message: 80
    Author: $ Funky Alf
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Twi-Zone
    Date: 12/05/91  Time: 00:10:46

    I like the old B & W episodes of the TwiLight-Zone, I just saw a Marathon of
    "Outer Limits" shows on TNT the other night....Cool....
    ALF
    What the above has to do with being in this SIG, I don't know.
    Just something to post...post...post... anything!!!
    Beam me down, O'Brian!!!
    Off to Melmac I go!!!

    Message: 81
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: The Zone
    Date: 12/05/91  Time: 06:00:09

     Well, here I am again! Have no idea how or why, but it is kind of fun, in a
    weird sort of way. I just wish that my brain was more awake so that I could
    find something to say. While I'm here, I think I'll try that
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
    special feature and see how it works. Until next time, then...........

    Message: 82
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Imagination
    Subject: Beau/names
    Date: 12/05/91  Time: 15:38:03

    I don't remember.  What story?

    Here today, gone tomorrow...

    Message: 83
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: Misc
    Date: 12/05/91  Time: 22:01:04

      I landed here on my second login tonight, but I haven't posted anything
    for a week or so.
      I better try it here
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
       so I don't put a botched attempt in a public message.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.
    p.s.
    [R]ead rest or [S]kip rest:Read rest
      I used Apollo for years without ever ending up here, but now seem to get
    it fairly often. Is that because it didn't exist before or what?

    Message: 84
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Dimension
    Subject: TV Show
    Date: 12/05/91  Time: 22:10:30

      I saw a pretty good episode of the new Twilight Zone TV show last night.
    An historian from the future who was a distant decendant of JFK was sent
    back in time to record the assassination with a 3d hologram recorder
    disguised as an 8mm home movie camera. At the moment of truth he broke down
    and yelled out to the President to duck, thereby saving his life, but
    screwing up history from that moment forward with horrible results.
      There is a rather neat scene where Kennedy is looking at a 1964 Kennedy
    half dollar which the historian had always carried with him as a treasured
    family momento, until he dropped it and a secret service man picked it up.
    Kennedy, who has already learned that the historian is from the future
    because of the hologram device, suddenly realizes what it must mean for him
    to be on a coin issued the NEXT year.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.
    e9

    Message: 85
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Bizarre
    Subject: Good Morning
    Date: 12/10/91  Time: 07:19:52

    It is pretty strange for me to be on Apollo this early, but then to wind up
    in here as well?!
    The dog wants in...better go oblige
    Cat wants food...he can wait
    Beau is barking too...better let him in.

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     1:I thought that would get everyone's attention.  Now that I got it I won't
     2:ever give it back.
     3:
     4:Marilyn Quale said to her husband Dan, "Aw, look at that dead bird"  So Dan
     5:looked up.
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     7:I've spent a goodly portion of my life in the Twilight Zone.
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