### News/Talk Forum BBS - May 10, 1988

    Msg #  894  Dated 05-06-88 19:55:26
     From: ROD WILLIAMS
       To: DARYL WESTFALL
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

         You need a permit in order to overthrow the government.
    end

    Msg #  895  Dated 05-06-88 21:10:41
     From: ANNA LAPLACE
       To: DARYL WESTFALL
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

    Concerning the Constitution, where is says that we have the right to
    change our government....  It would be possible if enough people were
    organized.  I believe personally that the government wants there to be
    discord...such as racial prejudice, etc. because if enough people did
    organize to change things, then there would be too much power in their
    hands.  I think that as long as there is discord, the power is taken out
    of the hands of the people, therefore given to the government.  Does
    this make sense???  I think so!  With the various things that keep us in
    discord among ourselves, we don't...or that is, enough of us don't agree
    on the same issues.  The government likes to see us at each others
    throats so that "we" the people can't get much accomplished.  I'd like
    to hear other points of view on this...I don't know if I worded things
    as clearly as possible....

                                      ....oh well!

    Msg #  896  Dated 05-06-88 21:22:34
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: JOHN SCHUCH
       Re: (R)LAW SUIT

    I'm not sure about the ratings period, but I do know that The Broadcast
    Group was out for my blood!!!  When they filed the dismissal on me they
    did it without prejudice.  They made rumblings to my attorney that I had
    better watch myself.  My attorney told them that maybe we would fight
    the fact they were droping the lawsuit and maybe we would counter sue.
    Then they backed off.  I think that they think I have money.   Don't I
    wish.  I think that between the bad press they got and the depositions
    that were taken, they decided to back off....

    Msg #  903  Dated 05-07-88 05:46:12
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: TOM LEYKIS
       Re: BROADCAST

    Lee Tate is a former caller?????  Maybe that's why he sounds so
    unprofessional.  Actually I'm kind of jealous.  It gets you thinking
    after listening to women line up to sing your praises on the air.
    Except for Jamie's "creampuff" show, I hardly ever hear women callers.
     I've never heard anyone receive so many compliments.  You must have
    "on-air sex appeal".  Hey that's an idea!!  Maybe I should drop out o f
    A.S.U. and go to broadcast school-- once I got on the air-- if I took
    after you, I would have a much better love life. hehe.  My dog could
    have died, but to listen to women tell me how great I am sure would make
    me smile.  As I'm sure it does for you.  I can't understand how someone
    so opinionated and outrageous could attract so many women.  For the
    record, I think you're great at what you do too--just don't let it go to
    your head. (hehe).  Have you heard from  Ed Walsh in WOR?  How is he
    getting along?   And regarding previous comments, weren't you and John
    Giese good friends?

    Msg #  904  Dated 05-07-88 20:33:18
     From: ANNA LAPLACE
       To: ALL
       Re: K.I.S.S.

    EVERYBODY:

         Please excuse the brevity of this message...

                                    Anna

                                              .....hehehe

    Msg #  905  Dated 05-08-88 00:47:15
     From: DARYL WESTFALL
       To: ROD WILLIAMS
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

    A permit to overthrow the government? Hm, what's say you and I go down
    and apply for permit #1?

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     1:     In applying for a permit to overthrow the government, you first have
     2: to serve 10-20 years in federal prison.
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    Msg #  905  Dated 05-08-88 00:47:15
     From: DARYL WESTFALL
       To: ROD WILLIAMS
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

    A permit to overthrow the government? Hm, what's say you and I go down
    and apply for permit #1?

    Msg #  906  Dated 05-08-88 06:32:21
     From: MIKE STACKPOLE
       To: DARYL WESTFALL
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

    Doesn't the "overthrow the government" permit have to be countersigned
    by Thomas Jefferson?

    Msg #  908  Dated 05-08-88 09:52:03
     From: RIP RINEHART
       To: SYSOP
       Re: STUFF

    ...just wondering if you could answer a few general questions about the
    station...Was that Ken Nordine who was on the last set of intros and
    IDs?  Who's voice are we hearing now? (I hope I'm not offending anyone,
    but he's the pits!)  I'm also interested in the delay system.  I'm
    guessing that it's digital, since it sometimes sounds like the
    station's audio is underwater.  I've noticed the same effect at times on
    KTAR.  Apparently you have the ability with this system to not only
    delete something from broadcast but also to "patch the hole" where the
    deleted word or words were.  Some details on the operation of this
    device would be interesting.
                                    ***Thanks

    Msg #  909  Dated 05-08-88 11:42:23
     From: JAMES TARANTO
       To: JAMES TRIGUERO
       Re: (R)YESTERDAY'S SHOW...

    "JT from Scottsdale"?

    Msg #  910  Dated 05-08-88 11:43:16
     From: JAMES TARANTO
       To: JAMES TRIGUERO
       Re: (R)POWER

    KNX is an O&O, not an affiliate.

    Msg #  912  Dated 05-08-88 13:32:49
     From: MARK SHANDER
       To: ALL
       Re: DIGITAL DELAYS

         Being a former KFYI employee, it would probably not be ethical
    for me to comment on the specific delay system used by KFYI, but since
    I am the SysOp of The Broadcaster's BBS (at 934-4999), I can give you
    general information about digital delays used most frequently in this
    marketplace.

         The digital delay system(s) (KTAR has 2 - one for 7.5 kHz & one for
    15 kHz) used most commonly in Phoenix actually have a touch more than
    seven seconds worth of audio program built up in a digital memory.  The
    "dump" control is usually available to the board operator, the host, and
    is available to the engineering staff as well.  It may even be remotely
    located, under special circumstances (if desired), at a special
    location with someone listening to the program feed, making a decision
    as to when to dump (a "censor").  Most delays require several minutes to
    "catch up" after a "dump", depending on the "catch up rate" set by an
    engineer.  Some delays also have a "cut" feature, where a single word or
    phrase can be removed.

    Several stations in the Valley operate without the use of a digital
    delay while airing live calls.  I can tell you that KFYI is not one of
    them (obviously!).  Call our BBS if you have any specific questions
    about digital delays - many Valley radio & TV engineers frequent us!

    Msg #  913  Dated 05-08-88 13:38:46
     From: MARK SHANDER
       To: ALL
       Re: DIGITAL DELAYS/LAST POST

         I wasn't implying that any station in particular had a monitoring
    room set up (for temporary or permanent use) as a "dump site", only that
    it is very possible to do so.

         Dial-A-Date was a lot of fun to produce (I helped produce it for
    awhile - getting contestants, setting them up, etc.) and was fun to
    listen to BEFORE the delay (pre-delay) - sometimes you folks missed the
    best part of the show (though you could tell by Tom's laughter afterward
    that the comments were winners!).

    Msg #  916  Dated 05-08-88 19:56:22
     From: JIM SPEISER
       To: SYSOP
       Re: (R)STUFF..

    Thanks, Tom, will try to call in and drop your name on one of their
    shows...

    I'll tell ya, it ain't easy loggin in from a hotel room in Florida! I
    keep wondering if I'm setting off an alarm on the switchboard
    downstairs...

    Jim Speiser
    ParaNet
    Out-of-touch, Florida

    Msg #  918  Dated 05-08-88 20:06:05
     From: JIM SPEISER
       To: MARK SHANDER
       Re: (R)DIGITAL DELAYS/LAST PO

    Every once in a while the callers on hold are treated to uncensored
    material as well, and I can tell you that sometimes it is a hoot! I
    remember once being punched up directly after someone was dumped for
    some lewd and lascivious comment, and the host almost dumped me too,
    because I was laughing so hard...

    Msg #  920  Dated 05-08-88 20:37:51
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: ALL
       Re: KFYI NEWS ARTICLES

    Did everyone catch Montini's column in the Sunday 5/8/88 Arizona
    Republic?   Be looking for Barbara Holsopple's column in Tuesday's R &G
    G.   It seems that the media is not real happy for Mr. Weber's actions.
    Especially since he let loose with that l0 minute tirade against Pat
    Murphy, Bill Dougan and Friends of Tom Leykis.  Rumor on the street is
    that there will be a picket against the station, after all of this.  I
    have no information about it.  It is just a rumor and may not be true.
    Maybe, someone is trying to get to Fred.........

    Msg #  923  Dated 05-09-88 01:02:01
     From: STEVE LEWIS
       To: JAMES TRIGUERO
       Re: (R)BROADCAST

    On air sex appeal? HEHEHEHEHEHE... Talk to any radio DJ (HEY HOWARD!)
    and they'll relate a story or two or three. Listeners always seem to
    forget that the greatest pipes usually belong to the ugliest faces.

    Speaking of pipes, what does Charlie Van Dyke look like?

    Msg #  925  Dated 05-09-88 02:27:49
     From: STEVE GRESSER
       To: MIKE STACKPOLE
       Re: (R)RESTRAINING ORDER

    Look, if you want the truth, ask any senator or representative and he
    will say that we overthrow the government every 4 years.  That is in and
    of itself (to illiterate) BALONEY.  We don't abolish all of those nifty
    little government agencies (like the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA) every
    four years.  We don't abolish income tax every 4 years, and we sure as
    hell don't decide who is and is not going to get US aid every 4 years
    (or the Israelis would be on their asses by now).  What's interesting is
    that the people who could REALLY overthrow the government are arrested
    for what is called "civil disobedience".  I don't know about you, but
    I've never seen that on a traffic ticket - who decides what civil
    disobedience is?  Who decides what the punishment is?  And what about a
    Civil War?  Isn't that a contradiction of terms?  "Excuse me . . ." BOOM
    "Oh, I'm awfully sorry!"

    Msg #  927  Dated 05-09-88 02:34:19
     From: STEVE GRESSER
       To: STEVE LEWIS
       Re: (R)BROADCAST

    I can tell ya from experience, Charlie's a real good-looking man (that
    coming from a heterosexual!)  My little brother and his kid play all the
    time over at my parent's house, and boy does Charlie have a VOICE!
    Baritone of glass-breaking quality.  I'd love to hear him over the
    airwaves, especially before hearing Tom's informative tenor.

    Msg #  928  Dated 05-09-88 07:49:30
     From: ALAN HAMILTON
       To: SYSOP
       Re: (R)OLD MESSAGES

       Tom, a helpful hint on running a BBS.  Most systems automaticly kill
    the oldest message when the message base is full and someone tries to
    enter a new one.  Unfortunatly RBBS is one of the few that won't.
    Don't plead with the users to kill off their own messages -- just
    slaughter the oldest 100 or so when the message base fills up.  Believe
    me, no one will notice.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Msg #  929  Dated 05-09-88 07:58:04
     From: ALAN HAMILTON
       To: STEVE LEWIS
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

       The reason KFYI shouldn't have made a big a deal out of this is the
    same reason Paramount Pictures doesn't sue all those Star Trek fanzines
    out there for copyright violation.  Even though, technicaly, they would
    have every right to sue all those fans that were writing and publishing
    stories containing the Star Trek characters, it would be a public
    relations disaster.  Those fans are their bread and butter, and they are
    willing to overlook the technical violation to keep their good will.
      Too bad Fred Weber isn't that bright.
       K
       Fred,
       You're
       Insane.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Msg #  930  Dated 05-09-88 08:05:20
     From: ALAN HAMILTON
       To: MARK SHANDER
       Re: (R)DIGITAL DELAYS

       You can tell when KFYI's digital delay is catching up after dumping
    something, as the sound is a bit garbled.  It sounds like little bits of
    dead air are being inserted into the sound, so that something that would
    take, say, five seconds to broadcast, may take something like seven
    seconds.  It's sort of like they way in typesetting, slivers of white
    space are put between the letters so that the text fills out an entire
    line exactly.
       This, if I'm assuming correctly, would enable the delay to get seven
    seconds behind the host again.  I wonder how fast it fills, and if the
    caller immediately following a dump said something unbroadcastable,
    would there be enough delay built up to get rid of it?  (Since I've
    never worked for a radio station, I have no qualms about speculating --
    heh heh.)

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Msg #  932  Dated 05-09-88 10:33:55
     From: MICHAEL MALONE
       To: BILL BOROSKI
       Re: (R)POWER

    Michael,

    The reasonns for the excellent radio reception in cars is many. Probably
    the best is that cars as a rule are located out of doors. AM signal
    does not like anything in its way. This is why when you go under a
    bridge the reception fades. Another reason is the antenna. On most home
    systems the AM antenna is a small DiPole arangement. (This is the small
    round tubular black thing on the back of the receiver) Add to this the
    fact that the receiver is usually located next to a wall, in a cabinet,
    or in some other hidden place and you do not have ideal AM situations.

    Hope this helps..Also I hope I am fairly right!

    Mike

    Msg #  935  Dated 05-09-88 13:12:18
     From: PAUL BENJAMIN
       To: ALL
       Re: JACK COLE

    Is he Tom's replacement?

    Msg #  936  Dated 05-09-88 13:59:35
     From: HOWARD HOFFMAN
       To: STEVE LEWIS
       Re: (R)BROADCAST

    ...so THAT explains my lousy voice...

                                     -Hoffman

    Msg #  939  Dated 05-09-88 15:55:20
     From: JOHN SCHUCH
       To: BILL BOROSKI
       Re: (R)POWER

    An auto radio seems more 'powerful' because it probably has a better
    antenna system. Most home radios use an internal antenna which is
    practically useless at any distance from the transmitter, but your
    car has that big whip antenna on the fender. I have always hooked up
    the external AM antenna on my stereo and it has always seemed worth
    the trouble.

    Msg #  940  Dated 05-09-88 17:28:18
     From: MIKE CARTER
       To: JOHN SCHUCH
       Re: (R)POWER

    Antenna systems although important make up for less than 10% of the
    quality produced from the speakers.
    Traps, filters and weather conditions can make the best antenna system
    useless. A Bad I.F. oscillator or offbeat mixer could do a lot..but
    the question was "Why do car stereos sound better..?"
    Stereo is a function capable of being affected by received signal
    strength and is rarely ever spoken of when dealing with AM stations
    unless you're an idealist Engineer.
    Accoustics are a major source of why car sound systems 'seem' to be
    much better than their in-home companions. Think of this;
    If you locked yourself into a tiny room with very little more than
    seating space and cranked up your Home depot stereo, how much lower
    would you need the volume to hear it then?
    The Truth is, many car stereo receivers are built a lot better circuit
    wise than the larger home site models. What you buy for your home is
    rarely little more than a huge plastic box with a tiny circuit board
    inside. Believe me, I've repaired thousands of them. Those high sticker
    prices are built mostly around looks and idiot lights.
    MORE: [Y]es, N)o, NS)non-stop? y

    Manufacturers knew that if you purchased a home stereo and it sounded a
    little crappy on your favourite station that you would no doubt pull
    out some wire and make an antenna or buy one of theirs normally sold
    right next to the display stands   (CONT)

    Msg #  941  Dated 05-09-88 17:39:02
     From: MIKE CARTER
       To: ALL
       Re: POWER CONT...

    ...but if you buy a car stereo system, install it and it sounds
    crappy on your favourite station, they know that you wont be putting
    up an 80 meter beam antenna or an inverted 'V' unless you drive a VW.
    No, you're going to take the unit back and get a better one...and never
    buy their equipment again.
    What continually amazes me is that people go for items with more lights
    than Las Vegas and silk screened with technical phraseology and buzz
    words such like; "VGX-960", "TURBO PLL" , "INTELLIGENT TRACKING SYSTEM"
    "DELTA TUNING" -this one's a misnomer as it could mean you have to
    continually tune the knob in order to continue receiving..
    True Audiophiles (and one I am NOT) will be able to shop for you
    if you want a good radio in the home. You have to decide right from
    the start on how many dollars you affix to the importance of the sound
    quality. I.E. You don't buy a Rolls Royce engine to stick it in a
    Chevette...in other words, you don't buy a Blaupunkt and hot wire it
    to some left over boom-box speakers.
    Enjoy.
          -Mike

    Msg #  943  Dated 05-09-88 19:32:22
     From: MICHAEL STUBLER
       To: STEVE LEWIS
       Re: (R)BROADCAST

    Charlie's about 3'6" and bears a striking resemblance to Yoda, from the
    Star Wars trilogy.  hehehe

    Msg #  946  Dated 05-09-88 20:22:17
     From: LEON DAVIS
       To: ALL
       Re: SHORTWAVE CLUBS

    Does anyone out there know of any shortwave clubs in the valley?
    If so, please leave any pertinent info.
                                              Thanks,
                                                Leon

    Msg #  948  Dated 05-09-88 22:58:12
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: STEVE LEWIS
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    I agree with the time between 3 and 7 weekdays.  I used to listen  to
    the other hosts, but since they have toned down so much, its not as much
    fun.  I never did enjoy Jami's show, although she seems like a nice
    lady.  I guess most of her stuff is geared towards women and women
    problems.

    I have gotten back into FM lately.  You know, Tom spoiled me when he
    joined KFYI.  I love to HATE/LOVE his shows......

    Msg #  949  Dated 05-09-88 23:00:01
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: LEIGH BANNON
       Re: (R)COURT DATE/FTL

    Someone had asked for it to be posted here.  You may want to take the
    time and do it.  Leave it for a few days and then Kill.  If you ever
    need any of the articles, leave me a message.  I usually have them all.

    Msg #  951  Dated 05-09-88 23:06:17
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: MICHAEL STUBLER
       Re: (R)PRINTMASTER BOOK

    No problem.  I had just had another guy after me for the same reason and
    I left him a message explaining the situation.  I guess that I was
    probably in a quasi-bad mood after being accused twice.

    You know, it just hasn't been the greatest of weeks, with this B.S. with
    KFYI and the lawsuit.  I guess I'm getting touchy in my (old??) age.....

    Msg #  952  Dated 05-09-88 23:08:56
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: TIM GINSBACH
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    Thanks.   I think that it would be great to start getting together once
    in awhile to down a few brews and offer support to Tom.  After all he's
    the reason this whole thing took off.  I just hope that he and Fred get
    things worked out soon......

    Msg #  953  Dated 05-10-88 01:12:01
     From: LEIGH BANNON
       To: GENE KEEFOVER
       Re: (R)COURT DATE/FTL

    Ok... I'lltype it up inthe morning and post it tomorrow evening.

    Thanks... Leigh