### Apollo BBS Archive - January 8 - 14, 1990

    Message: 62342
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Porn Update
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:35:17

    'CHESTER MOLESTER' CREATOR GUILTY OF ABUSING TEEN GIRL

      (AP) VENTURA, Calif - The cartoonist who created 'Hustler' magazine's
    "Chester The Molester" feature has been convicted of molesting a teenage
    girl.
      Dwaine Tinsley, 44, was found guilty of five child-molestation accounts by
    a Superior Court jury on Friday. Jurors agreed Tinsley had substantial
    sexual contact with the girl, but acquitted him of six charges and
    deadlocked on five.
      The cartoon created by Tinsley depicts a lecherous character and his
    attraction to young girls. He refused to talk with reporters after the
    verdict.
      Defense lawyer George C. Eskin promised to appeal the guilty verdicts,
    arguing as he did during the trial that the girl accused Tinsley in
    retalliation for his efforts to halt her drug use.
      Tinsley could face a maximum prison term of sixteen years, and a $50,000
    fine when he is sentenced March 1, [according to] prosecutor Matthew J.
    Hardy.
      Evidence presented at the trial said Tinsley told co-workers "You can't
    write this stuff all the time if you don't experience it."
      But Tinsley's cartoon eliminated it's focus on pedophilia several years
    ago, Hardy said.

    Message: 62343
    Author: Thornbob Rico   Note:  This is me.
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Xmas Trees/uses
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 00:26:42

    Tonight I attended the gala opening of the Elvis Art Celebration at
    Gallery X, located in beautiful downtown Phoenix.

    Outside, in the cold and damp the transients were cutting up and burning
    Xmas trees.  It was their only source of heat.

    Message: 62344
    Author: Tanisha Valese
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: The Best
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 02:47:19

    My top ten best movies ever.  These are movies I enjoy and would recommend
    to others.  They are not in any particular order.
    Annie Hall
    sex, lies, and videotape
    She's gotta have it
    Clockwork Orange (not for the squeemish)
    All that Jazz
    Heavy Metal
    Soylent Green
    Fantasia
    Aria
    Baron Muchowson

    Please excuse any misspellings but I got as close as I could.
    Honorable mentions:
    Angel Heart
    The Sure Thing
    Platoon
    2001
    dangerous liasons

    Thanks for watchin',
    T.V.

    Message: 62345
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: More booklets
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 02:58:19

    Yes, I have yet another booklet of poems.  Two actually.  And a couple of
    erotic stories as well(I've been busy during this school break).  If anyone
    would like information or would like to recieve any of the above, please
    leave me e mail.
    One booklet is a guide to being a teenager and is 1.00.  The second is
    called (tenatively) Break Way and will be 5.00.  The two stories I have done
    are The Tanning Booth and is 3.00 and Love Thyself which is a dollar.
    Those people requesting a copy of any erotic story must be ready to send me
    proof of adultship (a stupid rule but I can't break that one).
    There are no more copies of my first booklet but if anyone wants one made I
    still have a master copy.  It sells for 3.00 and is called The Uncomplete
    Collection of Mychele.

    Best Wishes to you all for the new year,
    Melissa D.

    Message: 62346
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Purple Rain
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 03:11:09

    I heard you put this on your list.
    Your a good man, Hawley.

    Melissa D.

    Message: 62347
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Larry Winn
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 05:52:14

     You have a good thought there, but you don't have to shout. We can all read
    lower case just fine. (Hint. Lower case type makes reading a lot easier.
    Thanks.)

    Message: 62348
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 09:31:14

    WHAT?

    Message: 62349
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Old Tree
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 10:12:55

    B.

    Message: 62350
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CHESTER THE MOLESTER
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 11:21:56

         Another sad example of life imitating art.

    Message: 62351
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ANN/ELVIS
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 11:23:49

         Yes, the Elvis show got some good coverage.  If anyone is interested,
    Gallery X will host an "open house" on Sunday, Jan. 21 from 1pm to 4pm.
    Come down & see the art, this is a free event open to all.

    800 W. Madison.  420-9390.

    Message: 62352
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Incumbants
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 11:59:51

      If an elected official could not seek or expect re-election, then couldn't
    they just sell out to the highest bidder with no regard for their
    constituents' opinion of them? The idea that a single term will transform
    each officeholder into a responsible civil servant leaves me unconvinced.
    Why look at longevity instead of performance and expect better performance?
    Should we drive all doctors out of business after a few years in hopes of
    halting unnecessary surgery?
      If congress did not have the power to redistribute our wealth at a whim
    they would have nothing to sell and corruption would be pointless. I hate to
    use the term 'simplistic' because I think it is often used to disparage good
    ideas, but I think that throwing out all incumbants regardless of individual
    performance is the kind of wrong-headed notion that rightfully deserves to
    be called simplistic.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62353
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: the X in Xmas
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 12:48:03

    Re:What does this mean?

    It means what you want it to mean.  If you think you're an atheist, ot means
    that the Savior has been X'ed out of the holiday, and if you're a Christian,
    you are aware of the Greek letters that make up His name and you will
    find that the X stands for Jesus, and you'll want to keep it in.

    And yes, I think the Christmas holiday is entirely too secularized now.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 62354
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 15:54:30

         I agree that if it can be proven that a person is guilty, by all means
    he should be convicted.  I also agree that giving wimpy sentences to
    criminals who deserve harsh ones is wrong.  There are definitely problems
    with our legal system, and it's probably too complex for any easy answers.
    But for all its shortcomings, it's still a mostly good, though inefficient,
    system.  We sacrificed efficiency for accuracy.  I don't think it should be
    the other way around.

    Message: 62355
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 16:44:44

    Re:  "I think that throwing out all incumbants regardless of individual
    performance is the kind of wrong-headed notion that rightfully deserves to
    be called simplistic."

    Right!  We should only throw out the Democrats!

    :-)

    Message: 62356
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 16:47:38

    Re:  "We sacrificed efficiency for accuracy."

    I think we have sacrificed both efficiency and accuracy.  I think the
    judicial system today is hurting.

    Message: 62357
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 17:59:14

    "Adultship"?

    Message: 62358
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mofford
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 19:03:06

    I'm watching her state of the State speech right now....  I think Paramount
    Studios is doing her makeup.  She's got Vulcan eyebrows...

    Message: 62359
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 20:01:15

    Adultity?

    Message: 62360
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/Chester
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 21:53:35

    ART?

    Message: 62361
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Christmas/Gary
    Date: 01/08/90  Time: 21:54:49

    Just because the secular society has removed a lot of the Christian elements
    from their celebration, it doesn't mean that the holiday doesn't hold any
    merit among those who celebrate it for what it is.

    Message: 62362
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Larry King
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 04:09:40

    This Thursday on Larry King's CNN show, Ronald Reagan will be interviewed
    and taking calls for a full hour.

    Message: 62363
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak Woodruff
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 06:12:58

     Although we are probably in basic agreement here, I think that extremism on
    either end of the scale is a fault rather than a quality. As it stands, our
    system is way out of balance, with the heavy end favoring the criminals,
    and the ACLU has been a major contributor to that imbalance, at least in my
    opinion.

    Message: 62364
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Religion
    Subject: U-know-who-mas
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 08:02:39

            I find it amusing to hear the Christians here complain about
    Christmas being secularized, when the Christians were guilty of Christian-
    izing a pagan holiday.  The trees, lights, and the guy in the red suit
    aren't exactly Biblical in origin.  The same goes for Easter, with its
    rabbits and colored eggs.

            In other news, I got one of those big book catalogs in the mail
    yesterday, and one book in it was THE TAU OF POOH.  As in Winnie-the-.
    Sounds fascinating.  It oughta be right up there with THE GOSPEL ACCORDING
    TO PEANUTS.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 62365
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 13:00:34

    I just started _The Tao of Pooh_.  So far, so good.

    Message: 62366
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Good News
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 21:52:52

      Cholesterol prevents AIDS.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62367
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Good News
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 21:55:27

      Columbia and Israel are working on a plan to put a new lockless canal
    through Columbia which would allow supertankers to make the Atlantic-Pacific
    crossing.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62368
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rose
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 21:57:49

      The Republic said today that Rose Mofford appears to be running for
    re-election, based on yesterday's speech. Doesn't a person have to be
    elected first before they can be re-elected?
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62369
    Author: David Ray
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Panama
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 22:25:23

    I would have liked to see Panama get him.  They would have shot him and
    justice would have been done.  In the U.S., he will get law.  What is legal
    is not always just.

    Message: 62370
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/Pagan
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 22:50:12

      But the holiday being celebrated is CHRISTMAS. When was the last time you
    went up to someone (or someone came up to you) and said "Happy Winter
    Solstice?" They don't because much of the actual pagan meaning of Winter
    Solstice has faded into nonexistence. The only pagan symbols left is the
    tree, and perhaps a few other things. Santa Claus is a "modification" on the
    name St. Nicholas, and I would have to do more research on the guy, but
    wasn't he a Catholic? In short, the pagan REASONS for celebrating the
    pagan holiday are all but gone. However, the holiday IS celebrated as
    CHRISTMAS, and most everyone knows the reason for the Christian holiday.
    Same with Easter. You don't see any large scale Ishtar fertility festivals
    anymore. However, a few symbols left from it are the bunny and the egg. But
    Easter (as celebrated worldwide) is known by Christians and non-Christians
    alike as the celebration of the resurrection of Christ.

    Message: 62371
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 23:27:23

         Rod Williams came up to me about three weeks ago and said, "Happy
    Winter Solstice."
         If the pagan REASONS for celebrating the pagan holiday are all but
    gone what makes you think the christian REASONS for celebrating the
    christian holiday won't be all but gone in another 1000 or so years?

    Sounds like another fad to me.

    Message: 62372
    Author: Mike Brandon   Note:  This is me.
    Category: Question?
    Subject: IF
    Date: 01/09/90  Time: 23:55:28

    IF JESUS WAS A JEW, WHY DOES HE HAVE A MEXICAN NAME?

    Message: 62373
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Peter on Fad
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 00:41:30

    You're right...I'd say in another 1000 or so years from now
    there wont be a *REASON* to celebrate..simply because
    it'll be a day-by-day celebration...in the 1000 years of peace...

    Read about it in Revelations...in the yep.. Bible.

    Truth never dies, fads do.

    Message: 62374
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hamilton
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 00:48:43

    "..when the Christians were guilty of Christianizing a pagan holiday."

    As far as the trees, the lights and the guy in the red suit are concerned,
    you should come down off your great white pedestal and open your
    eyes. It's the *pagans* attempting to remove the Christian history
    from the holiday....things like "XMAS" etc are subversions and
    a good example of subtle censorship.
    Everywhere you go, there's some screaming pagans wretching about
    religious symbols . They go into frenzies of mouth foaming and
    breast beating whenever they see one.

    Yeah, time to climb down. Do you really think you can participate
    in such things, then turn around and blame those whom you work against?

    Hah. Off the pedestal.

    Message: 62375
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean's grammar
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 05:33:43

     Since she now holds the office, regardless of how she got there, I believe
    that if she runs to retain said office, re-election would be correct,
    grammarwise.

    Message: 62376
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Commodore 64/128
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 06:02:41

     Looking for a good working used C64 or C128 at a reasonable price. If you
    have such, please leave me E-mail. Thanks.
    Paul Savage

    Message: 62377
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/Christmas
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 07:01:56

    What makes me think that they won't be gone in another 1000 or so years?
    Christians, that's what. (Hopefully we'll see the end of this age of things
    before then.) Sound stupid? We'll, we celebrate Christmas every day of our
    lives in our hearts and minds. Not the Santa and the reindeer schlemiel. but
    the true meaning of the holiday: the birth of our Savior.

    Message: 62378
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/IF
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 07:02:22

    Ar ar ar ar.

    Message: 62379
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pools again!
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 07:36:40

    Their at it again! In this morning's paper was an article stating 'a Phoenix
    advisory board recommended a poop-safety law that would require the owners
    of new homes and of existing homes where there were children under age 6 to
    install a barrier between pools and homes. In addition,  the board calls for
    children under 6 to be protected at least with a temporary barrier when
    visiting a home with a pool!' The article went on to say that even if a
    grand child for instance only visited once a year, the grand parents should
    have a temporary barrier. This law would be enforced on a complaint basis.
    Violations would be a  misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum $2,500 fine of
    30 days in jail.
    If passed, this would be one of the most idiotic laws in the book! Not only
    does it take away the right of a person to control their own property, but
    it will make criminals out of people. How on earth could they, the law
    enforce this stupid law? It is also encouraging your neighbor's to 'rat' on
    you! How about the people that have very small back yards? They'd walk out
    the back door smack into a fence! There is approx. 90,000 pools in the
    Valley, how are they going to patrol them? By the time my three kids were 6
    years old, they could swim like fish. Still, I took the responsibility to
    watch them at all times. If I had been careless and lost one of them to
    drowning, why should thousands of other people suffer because of me?
    Some fence co. sure must have done a hell of a lot of lobbying to get this
    in front of the board! Your rights are getting threatened. You'd better get
    pen in hand and write to the proper people or this WILL get passed!
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62380
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Winter solstice
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 12:23:49

    Actualy, three people wished me a happy winter solstice.  But then, I hang
    out with Theatre people...

    Message: 62381
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: 1000 years of piece
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 12:25:25

    Is that anything like the 1000 points of light?

    Message: 62382
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bobo Oudin/62379
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 15:43:38

    "poop-safety law"???

    Message: 62383
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/reelection
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 17:16:04

    Mofford was elected. Gerald Ford wasn't (and it wasn't a reelection
    campaign)

    Message: 62384
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 18:58:03

    Re:  "Rod Williams came up to me about three weeks ago and said, "Happy
    Winter Solstice.""

    How come Rod doesn't log on any more?

    Message: 62385
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 01/10/90  Time: 19:02:09

    Re:  "If passed, this would be one of the most idiotic laws in the book!"

    I'm glad I don't live in Phoenix.

    Message: 62386
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak/poop
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 07:44:30

    'Poop Saftey law'! ... ooops, type error. That's on par with my discription
    of the movie the 'High and the Nighty'! Heh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62387
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A Celebrity!
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 07:49:47

    Seems we have our very own celebrity among us by the name of Peter Petrisko.
    He had another write up in the paper, this time a pretty good sized one. His
    Gallery X Elvis showing was evidently a smashing success. For those
    interested, it's in today's paper (thurs.) - section E right in the center
    of the page. It's by Salvatore Caputo. Congratulations Peter!
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62388
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Poop saftey law
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 07:59:51

    Actually, that's a pretty good discription. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62389
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Elvis
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 09:41:15

            Geee...  And I wanted to go to that showing at Gallery X myself...
    But I ... (sniff) forgot!   It's Hawley's fault!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62390
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carter on Fad
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 13:30:41

    I suspect that BAC's will be saying about the same thing 1000 years from
    now, but most likely will be speaking in Esperanto.

    Message: 62391
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ann/poop law
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 13:33:53

    I agree 100 percent. Government has no right to say what goes around my
    pool. Just another example of trying to protect us saps from ourselves.
    Geez, next thing you know, they'll make us wear motorcycle helmets !

    Message: 62392
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Announcement
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 14:31:19

                    **********  ANNOUNCEMENT  **********

     ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 16TH, 1990, ALPHA AND OMEGA MINISTRIES WILL BE
    PRESENTING "THE FATAL FLAW: THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE OF THE MASS"
                   AT OUR OFFICES, 505 W. CAMELBACK, #201.

      The seminar will begin at 7PM, and is scheduled to run till 10PM.
        The subject will be the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Mass:
     What is it?  What do the terms "Eucharist", "Sacrifice of the Mass"
         "Propitiatory", "Satisfaction", "Disposition", etc., mean?
       And what does this teaching mean to the Christian who believes
                 in the completed work of Christ on Calvary?
           Why is the Mass the "Fatal Flaw" which demonstrates the
                    non-Christian character of Romanism?

            All are invited.  Call 265-4844 for further details.

    Message: 62393
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Booklets
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 15:50:41

    If anyone wants copies of the booklets or stories please let me know before
    the end of friday.  I will be making my trip to the copiers on Saturday and
    then I start a new job and school on Tuesday.
    You can leave me mail.
    Bye,
    Melissa D.

    Message: 62394
    Author: $ Robert Knee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Demonic liberation
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 19:42:13

         Now as never before, the women of the western nations have tasted of
    freedom and liberation, and now the underdeveloped nations are following
    suite as more women are able to be educated both at home and abroad.  The
    stronghold of women's liberation is of course in the universities and
    colleges, where women are taught that they are equal, that they are free,
    that they need to be liberated from male oppression and that they are
    actually superior to men in every manner.
         Women, who in many instances, have known what oppression is, eat up
    this delightful cake, they believe it, they begin to think more and more
    about it, and then they try to live it.  Out of this delightful delicacy
    which the devil has cooked up and women world wide have eaten, has come much
    devastation and destruction, and the freedom which women have been promised
    actually becomes more oppressive than the bondage to which they believe
    themselves to have previously been held in.
         In Christ, God does not hinder a woman from seeking Him, nor does He
    refuse the right to a woman to minister those things which are directed by
    His Spirit and are meant for His people.  However, the Lord made man first
    and He made woman to be his helpmate, not his oppressor.  What this new
    liberation is doing is actually a reverse of what has transpired in times
    past, for no longer are women being oppressed, but they are now the
    oppressors.  How foolish women are as they swell up wtih the pride of their
    rights and forget their god given roles, and lose the fulfillment which
    comes from staying in order with God.
         God does not want women oppressed, but neither does he dictate that men
    should be oppressed, but the new mentality, (which is the fruit of Satan's
    craftiness) brings both parties into oppression and bondage.  God never
    intended for women to be with other women, but if one investigates the roots
    of the "women's liberation" one will find that its' very roots are from
    hell, and the beautiful flowers are nothing but poison.  The underlying
    tenet of the movement is hatred for men, and the natural consequence of
    thinking, believing, and living the doctrines of the movement is lesbianism.
         Most liberated women will try and even live in lesbianism under the
    pretext that only women can really understand and know how to love a woman.
    THAT IS A LIE FROM THE DEVIL, BECAUSE SUCH RELATIONSHIPS WILL END THE
    PARTICIPANTS UP IN HELL, AND WHAT KIND OF TRUE LOVE WILL END THE LOVED ONE
    IN HELL??  The only truly "liberated woman" is the one who has learned to
    submit to Jesus Christ and to know Him, for then, whether she is married or
    not, she will know the true love of a saviour who will not lie, and through
    submission to JESUS CHRIST comes the greatest liberation of all, the
    liberation from sin!!!

    Message: 62396
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Esperanto?
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 20:56:04

    "Yeah, right...uh huh!"
                            - Prince

    Message: 62397
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Elvis GT
    Date: 01/11/90  Time: 23:14:46

    Zak called you from the GT, but he refused to speak with you.

    Message: 62398
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Last?
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 00:14:21

            Please explain?  Why would Zak not wish to speak with me?  He knows
    I can be trusted as a friend.

    *=* the 'Puzzled' Apollo Sysop *=*

    Message: 62399
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Mann
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 09:10:10

    I don't believe in Helmet laws either. If I want to protect myself, that's
    up to me, not the government. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62400
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: War!
    Subject: Robert/demonic
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 09:11:37

    I found you demonic liberation posts total nonsense. Sorry, I do not agree
    with any of it! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62401
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Fluoridation
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 09:14:15

    Why are we being forced/have been force to have our water fluoridated? Since
    when is the city father's so concerned about our dental health? From what
    I've read over the years, it seems the majority does not want it. I feel it
    should be up to the individual, not the government.
    The fluoridation company sure must have good lobbiests. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62402
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Fluoridation
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 10:17:21

      It's those lesbians from hell again!
        See You Later,
    &~   Dean H.

    Message: 62403
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: elvis/leno
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 13:08:21

    Jay Leno had a funny one liner:
    "This was the first anniversary of Elvis' death that he hasn't been seen
    somewhere.... Gee, you don't think something has happened to him, do you ?"

    Message: 62404
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: women
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 13:13:48

    Ain't it great that God made us men first. 'Cause if He made the women
    first, we would be the helpmeets of our wives. (A concept too alien and
    weird to even comprehend). Ah, but God didn't, so we are on top (except
    for some perverts who don't have sex God's way) of the situation and all's
    well with the world. Pretty soon God will punish those who don't follow in
    His ways, and if He doesn't we'll just get a head start on things. Right
    Guys !!!

    Message: 62405
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Demonic Liberation
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 13:37:59

    Is this guy for real?

    Message: 62406
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Helmet
    Date: 01/12/90  Time: 23:17:52

      The only people for helmet laws are those who haven't had their brains
    scrambled in a cycle accident yet. Look at Busey now.

    Message: 62407
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 03:17:35

    Well I think he was trying to find Rod to talk to you and couldn't.

    Message: 62408
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger on women
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 08:33:40

    I can't quite figure out your 'women posts'. Either you hate them or you are
    the type that can't relate to them. Who cares if God made man or woman
    first? What came first, the chicken or the egg and which is more important?
    We are all just human. This helpmate, head of the household stuff is
    crapola! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62409
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/Busey
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 08:37:33

    And he is STILL against helmets! If I rode a bike, I'd wear a helmet as I do
    a seat belt. But I don't think it should be made manditory.
    BTW - did you know they are thinking about passing a law that would require
    you to wear a seatbelt in national forrests, parks etc. etc. This is just
    one step towards making it manditory period. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62410
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James Hawley?
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 11:36:08

            Rod knows my phone number...  He is welcome to call or visit me at
    any time.  I still think of him as a friend....  The problem seems to be at
    his end.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62411
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: News Today
    Subject: fluoridation/ann
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 15:57:33

    I disagree with you. Fluoridation really helps with tooth decay. My kids
    grew up in Mass. until they were teenagers. Never had a problem with tooth
    decay. I grew up in Cleveland with no fluoridation, and had a lot of
    problems with my teeth. I'm glad they had fluoride. You should want it here
    for your children's sake.

    Message: 62412
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ann on women
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 16:01:45

    My post was entirely tongue in cheek. I tend to have a very dry sense of
    humor and don't always use smileys, so think of me saying it with a
    cocked eyebrow and a sarcastic look on my face.

    Message: 62413
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 16:56:58

    A cocked eyebrow?
    And a tongue in your cheek?

    An interesting picture indeed.

    Message: 62414
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Rod
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 17:13:06

    Why does he have to call you?  You know his phone number.

    Message: 62415
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 17:17:24

    Re:  "I'm glad they had fluoride. You should want it here for your
    children's sake."

    I agree with you.  I grew up with all kinds of cavities.  My kids have none.

    Message: 62416
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: B-Dog on Rod
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 17:50:46

            I have written him...  I have tried to call him from time to
    time....but I never got an answer.  Besides, it is Rod who has the problem
    communicating.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62417
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Busey
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 18:22:44

    Where have you been recently? Not too long ago, Busey embraced the
    pro-helmet movement.

    Message: 62418
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/Rod
    Date: 01/13/90  Time: 22:40:24

    Zak was trying to get Rod to talk to you at the GT, but couldn't find him at
    the time.

    Message: 62419
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: War!
    Subject: Robert Knee
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 03:27:39

         Where did your messages come from?  They don't seem to be in response
    to something said earlier on this board.  Did you get them from some
    religious literature, or did you just feel the urge to throw your ideas
    about women's liberation out to us?

         A few problems:

         -- You identify women's freedom as a cause of their own oppression, but
    fail to explain just how more freedom can be oppressive.
         -- You cite women's freedom and equality as a cause of much harm to
    society, yet fail to explain just how this has harmed society.
         -- You state that educational systems teach women that they are
    not only equal, but superior.  This is not true.
         -- You state that the women's liberation movement is, if one checks
    into the "roots," based in hell and evil.  What unknown roots does the
    movement have that show this to be the case?  Is it documented?
         -- You indicate that the Bible has a specific place for women.  Can you
    cite passages backing up this claim?
         -- You state that the women's liberation movement is based on a hatred
    for men, the logical conclusion of it being lesbianism.  In fact, lesbians
    are just a small minority of the women who fight for and have gained rights.

    Message: 62420
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: flouride
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 04:11:46

    Flouride has been implicated in causing certain types of cancer.

    Message: 62421
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau on Cliff on Rod
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 05:42:41

     Why should Cliff have to go begging anybody to log on Apollo?
     Personally, I think that this BBS is running much smoother without
    Williams. Matter of fact, I hadn't even missed him, and still don't.
    The only reason that I was not in a constant state of war with him was that
    I made it a point never to respond to his insanity. Now I don't have to
    squelch the temptation.

    Message: 62422
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: flouride
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 05:48:02

     I heard just yesterday that the EPA is investigating reports of a link
    between flourides and a type of bone cancer in laboratory rats.
     Perhaps all the facts are not yet on the table, and the risk shold be
    weighed against the benefits before we are forced to use the water.
     We have an R/O system that I believe effectively filters out the flouride,
    along with chlorine and a lot of other junk. At least it's some of the best
    tasting water I have ever had.

    Message: 62423
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/fluoradation
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 08:02:09

    You may be right in all you say - but why should it be forced upon us? Can't
    it simply be a choice?
    My children are all old enough to make their own decisions. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62424
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/Busey
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 08:03:57

    Where have you been recently? Busey remained embraced against manditory
    helmet laws! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62425
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zakey
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 08:05:53

    Loved your answer to Mr. Knee re: women! Thanks Zak. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62426
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bobby
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 08:09:39

    Me thinks that the reason you had tooth problems and your kids do not is
    more in what they eat than the flyoridation. We eat better today than we did
    when we were kids.
    BTW - not that this has anything to do with the subject ... met a friend of
    yours the other day - John Douglas! He bought my piano - mention he lived in
    your area and I ask if he knew you - said indeed he did and that your boys
    went to the same school. He and his wife certainly are a nice couple and
    SOOOOO talented on the piano. Was so glad they got it. Have you heard her
    play? It's a treat. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62427
    Author: Larry Winn
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject:  PAUL SAVAGE
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 09:28:28

    PAUL, I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SHOUT. SUCH IS THE NATURE OF MY EQUIPMENT; NO
    LOWER CASE.
    EVERYTHING I READ ON THE SCREEN IS UPPER CASE, TOO. NO PROBLEM HERE.
    MUST BE THE AGE DIFFERENCE. I CAN REMEMBER TELETYPES.

    Message: 62428
    Author: Larry Winn
    Category: Politics
    Subject: INCUMBENTS/HATHAWAY
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 09:47:18

    THE PROBLEM WITH INCUMBENTS IS THAT THEY LEARN, AFTER A FEW YEARS, HOW TO
    WORK THE SYSTEM. THEY GAIN CONTACTS, ARE INFLUENCED BY THEIR PEERS OF LONG
    STANDING IN POLITICS AND, EVENTUALLY, THEY BECOME CORRUPT.
    OF COURSE, THAT IS A GENERALIZATION, AND LIKE ALL OF THOSE IT HAS
    EXCEPTIONS.
    DUMPING THE INCUMBENT IS A SAFE MOVE IF YOU ARE NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH
    THE CANDIDATE AND HIS/HER MOTIVATION, HOWEVER.
    AS TO ANY LACK OF CONSIDERATION FOR HIS CONSTITUENCY, I'D FEEL A LOT MORE
    COMFORTABLE IF TODAY'S POLITICIAN WERE SURE HE'D BE IN MY SHOES TOMORROW.
    BESIDES, HATHAWAY, I'M NOT SUGGESTING A LAW, JUST A SIMPLE STRATEGY FOR USE
    WHEN INFORMATION IS INCOMPLETE, AS IT USUALLY IS.

    Message: 62429
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fluoride
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 09:55:31

    Please note that the correct spelling is "fluoride."

    Message: 62430
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/last
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 12:16:25

    Thank you for that important safety tip.

    Message: 62431
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 12:34:06

    Re:  "Me thinks that the reason you had tooth problems and your kids do not
    is more in what they eat than the flyoridation. We eat better today than we
    did when we were kids."

    It's possible that fluoridation is not the reason my boy's teeth are better
    than mine were, but it isn't because of their diet.  They eat a lot of junk
    food that was not available to me as a kid.

    Message: 62432
    Author: Melissa Dee
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Kate Bush
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 12:56:20

    Wow.  Her lastest CD is beyond great.

    Message: 62433
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: War!
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 13:58:34

    I beg to differ.  I miss Rod Williams' presence on the board.  So he wasn't
    always conductive to a "smooth-" running system.  Who cares?  Smooth-running
    is boring!

    Message: 62434
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Larry Winn...
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 14:18:11

            If you have such a machine as an old teletype....  Feel free to
    SHOUT all you want.    It is understood.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62435
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last on R.W.
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 14:22:40

            I will have to say...Complaints to me in mail is WAY DOWN!
    Way, Way Down......   However, I do like Rod as a person and find him
    interesting.   But you may note.... I ain't standing on my head to force him
    back again.   I'm getting too old for this!

    Peace & Love Brothers.....

                            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62436
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 15:39:41

    And people logging on is WAY DOWN.

    Message: 62437
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 19:12:01

    You may not be standing on your head to force Rod back, but you do seem to
    make a point of mentioning him on a regular basis.

    Message: 62438
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: melissa/weird face
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 19:20:47

    yes, it looks like this : ;-^

    Message: 62439
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Melissa/Zakisms
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 22:49:19

    Great like really good, or great like Hitler?  (No, I don't think Hitler was
    "great"...if you don't get it, forget it)

    Message: 62440
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Robert Knee
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 22:54:09

    I like this guy, if only because he uses phrases like "the fruit of Satan's
    craftiness."

    Message: 62441
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: 62375
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 22:56:59

    Anyone who uses the term "grammarwise" is in no position to judge grammar.

    Message: 62442
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: 62353/XMAS
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 23:00:57

    Well, I'm an atheist, and I happen to think that the X stands for the first
    letter of the Greek spelling of Christ's name.  So there goes your theory.

    Message: 62443
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Joke
    Subject: The Princeton Review
    Date: 01/14/90  Time: 23:08:28

    From "Word Smart; building an educated vocabulary", by the staff of the
    Princeton Review :

    Assembly Language: A programming language for professionals only.

    If I was them, I'd be a mite contrite.

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