### News/Talk Forum BBS - May 2, 1988

    Msg #  730  Dated 04-28-88 22:59:30
     From: ANNA LAPLACE
       To: GENE KEEFOVER
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    Does this mean that you have to appear in court for the hearing???  Or
    does a restraining order just mean that you can't picket, send out
    letters, etc.???

    Msg #  732  Dated 04-28-88 23:22:11
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    Good points Jim.  This doesn't sound legal to me either.  Any lawyers
    out there?

    Msg #  734  Dated 04-29-88 09:07:34
     From: ANNA LAPLACE
       To: ALL
       Re: HELP!!!

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know how I can find someone
    who's expertise is in fluid dynamics???  I need to find certain
    information on the subject!

    Msg #  735  Dated 04-29-88 13:50:50
     From: JIM DELTON
       To: SYSOP
       Re: (R)TOM'S BACK

    No..
    No..
    Is Barry Young really as right wing as he sounds on the air?
    Loved the interview with the Guy from the Institute for Death (or
    whatever).  A Rational Crackpot; a refreshing change from all the
    irrational ones that come and go.

    Msg #  736  Dated 04-29-88 13:53:31
     From: JIM DELTON
       To: ALAN HAMILTON
       Re: (R)NEW WEEKEND HOST

    Re: Lee Tate
    Space Cadet would be a good description also.....

    Msg #  737  Dated 04-29-88 13:58:18
     From: JIM DELTON
       To: ANNA LAPLACE
       Re: (R)HELP!!!

    Depends on what you need to know.  I had courses in it years ago and
    probably still have the books around.

    Msg #  738  Dated 04-29-88 14:05:23
     From: ALAN HAMILTON
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

       It's simply a matter of intimidation.  The average person cannot win
    a case against a large corporation without outside help, such as the
    ACLU.  The legal costs are just too high.  Sure, they're wrong with this
    order.  That doesn't help you if you're in jail for contempt of court
    because a public defender spent 5 minutes on your case.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Msg #  739  Dated 04-29-88 14:06:45
     From: ALAN HAMILTON
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    You should check out the article on page B9 of Friday morning's
    *Republic*.  It gives some details about what's going on.  I hope Bud
    Wilkinson does a column on it, too.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Msg #  740  Dated 04-29-88 15:39:02
     From: PAUL BENJAMIN
       To: TIM GINSBACH
       Re: (R)IS THIS OUT OF HAND?

    Did I get that right?  You were served with a summon for nothing more
    than participating in this BBS?  Did you mention that you were going to
    take part in the picketing?  Or in contacting sponsors?  Anything?

    Msg #  741  Dated 04-29-88 16:23:10
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: PAUL BENJAMIN
       Re: (R)IS THIS OUT OF HAND?

    Let me tell you about what happened to me.  I just got home to found out
    there was a detective here who wanted to question me about my threat to
    blow up Fred Weber's transformer.  Threat!!!??????  It was a statementt
    that I made in fun, (with a disclaimer even).  Obviously Weber has a
    "mole" who is buffering and printing up what is going on this BBS.  My
    message to you all:  Be careful; Big Brother is watching you.

    Msg #  743  Dated 04-29-88 18:13:33
     From: TERRY GREEN
       To: ALL
       Re: IS THIS OUT OF HAND?

    I DON'T BELIEVE THIS!
    Okay...  I just wanted to blow this up your skirts and see if anyone
    sneaks a peek:  Whataya say we stage a coup, overthrow Weber and replace
    him with someone with at least half a brain, then rape and pillage the
    news room and finish with a bonfire in the parking lot, complete with
    a Weber effigy at the top...

    Msg #  744  Dated 04-29-88 19:51:50
     From: JOHN SCHUCH
       To: PAUL BENJAMIN
       Re: (R)IS THIS OUT OF HAND?

    Add me to that list to. I did ABSOLUTLY nothing but read this bbs and
    send one message to Tom. I also was served. So much for my tax refund,
    my atty. is going to get it.
    later,
    John Schuch

    Msg #  749  Dated 04-29-88 21:02:43
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: MARK SHANDER
       Re: (R)BROADCASTER'S BBS

    I try that and advise.  I think that I tried it before and it didn't
    work, but we'll see.  Thanks.

    Msg #  752  Dated 04-29-88 21:17:55
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: ALL
       Re: PRIVACY

    ANY MESSAGES TO BE SENT TO ME, PLEASE ENTER AS R)ECEIVER (personal
    mail).  This way only the sender, the SYSOPS and receiver can read it.
    Just a suggestion.  Thanks,

    Msg #  753  Dated 04-29-88 21:54:21
     From: ANNA LAPLACE
       To: GENE KEEFOVER
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    What is meant by making the TRO permanent???

    Msg #  755  Dated 04-29-88 23:06:15
     From: JIM LIPPARD
       To: ALL
       Re: JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

    I think we all know how to vote next time we're asked whether or not we
    think this guy should be retained as a Maricopa County Superior Court
    Judge.  Perhaps a recall is in order (since that seems to be the thing
    to do these days).

    Msg #  756  Dated 04-30-88 02:25:55
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

    What would make a judge issue an order that violated our civil rights?
     I bet the order will be made permanent if this is the type of judge he
    is.  Do you suppose Fred Weber slipped him some cash to see things his
    way?  We know he would probably resort to underhanded politics because
    the potential money he would lose by us boycotting the advertisers.  Am
    I calling Patterson a crooked judge--no.  I'm just saying he issued an
    order that most justices wouldn't.  We haven't harassed or threatened
    anyone.  What reason could he give to prevent us from contacting
    advertisers or picketing the station.  (I haven't received an order yet,
    so I'll be candid with you all).  I say we raise funds through sponsers
    and take the issue to court.  If not for pride--for the principle of the
    matter.

    Msg #  757  Dated 04-30-88 02:36:50
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

      Read the following carefully:   "Congress shall make no law respecting
    an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
    or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, of the right of the
    people peacebly to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
    redress of grievances."<------- That is the first amendment of the
    Constitution verbatim.  It doesn't take a legal scholar to realize
    Weber and Patterson to deprive us of our most basic right.  I say we
    fight this thing.  The only precedent for the limitation of our free
    expression is if their is a clear and present danger.  What is this
    danger?  THERE IS NONE!!!!   The most patriotic thing we could do would
    be to take this to court.  Who is willing to seek sponsers to test this?

    Msg #  758  Dated 04-30-88 02:55:09
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

    I can't understand why a judge would violate our civil rights.  I know
    some of you think that Weber, fearing lost revenue from the advertisers
    slipped Patterson a wad of bills---Keep it to yourselves!!  If you don't
    you can bet Weber would have you in court for libel, and you wouldn't
    have any proof.  I would sign a recall petition.  Too bad you can't
    recall general managers.  (I am NOT Insinuating that Weber greased
    Patterson's palm--just warning others!)   By the way--- I don't see whyu
     advertisers couldn't get anonymous letters from the Underground Friends
    of Tom Leykis.  Hint, Hint.  and Fred can stuff this message up his
    nose--I haven't received a restraining order yet.  We shouldn't let then
    trample our first amendment rights!!!

    Msg #  759  Dated 04-30-88 07:14:54
     From: MIKE STACKPOLE
       To: ALL
       Re: RESTRAINT?

    I feel left out.  No one came to give me a restraining order.  Maybe I
    wasn't home when they came.
      Now, as I see it, a bunch of you have been restrained, right?  But
    there are others of us who have not been restrained.  It's got to cost
    Fred to have folks serve these restraining orders, right?  It looks to
    me like civil disobedience time on a small scale.  If we leave messages
    on other BBSs telling all the anti-social folks on the networks to send
    out letters just to tweak Weber's nose, I'm certain we can turn up the
    heat.
      Of course, I'm not suggesting this because that would violate the
    restraining order, but then I've not gotten one...
      Let me put this in terms even Fred can understand: If you want to
    destroy the enemy, you'd best spike ALL the cannons...
      Later, I have work to do...

    Msg #  761  Dated 04-30-88 19:57:29
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: JIM LIPPARD
       Re: (R)JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

    I'm not sure that I can comment.  I think that you have a good idea, but
    I'm afraid to say that for sure.  I'm just not sure what I can and
    cannot say anymore!!!!!

    Msg #  762  Dated 04-30-88 19:59:14
     From: GENE KEEFOVER
       To: JAMES TRIGUERO
       Re: (R)JUDGE CECIL PATTERSON

    The question is not who is willing, but who has the funds.  I'm sure
    that you have heard of the "Golden Rule";  Them that has the Gold makes
    the Rules.....

    Msg #  768  Dated 05-01-88 02:09:44
     From: STEVE GRESSER
       To: TERRY GREEN
       Re: (R)IS THIS OUT OF HAND?

    You'd better be careful - if there IS a mole on this BBS, he's gonna
    bite and take you out to pasture with that statement.  Just look at it
    - intent on violence, destruction of private property, and rape.  You
    may end up in prison for making a joke!

    Msg #  772  Dated 05-01-88 07:35:29
     From: MIKE STACKPOLE
       To: ALL
       Re: LAST LAUGH...

    I thought you all might appreciate this (especially Fred's techno-spy).
     It is a letter I got yesterday...
    Dear Radio Listener,
    Ann Clark of Arbitron Ratings will call your home in the next few days.
    She will invite you to tell us what you listen to on radio.
      Won't you please talk to Mrs. Clark when she calls?  We think you'll
    enjoy being in the radio survey.

    Enjoy?  ENJOY?

    I'll love the living hell out of it!
    Mike

    Msg #  773  Dated 05-01-88 11:24:46
     From: JOHN SCHUCH
       To: ALL
       Re: MURPHY

    Normally, I'd just as well tell Mr. Pat Murphy of the Republic just
    which short dock to walk off of.....
    but his collum on page C3 of todays Sunday Republic is must reading
    for anyone mired in this nonsence.
    later,
    John Schuch

    Msg #  774  Dated 05-01-88 14:43:42
     From: JAMES TARANTO
       To: ALL
       Re: CAN ANYONE READ THIS?

    I am a new user.  (Don't worry, I left a VALID VOICE PHONE NUMBER, two
    in fact, and Jim Lippard will vouch for me.)  I anyone able to read this?
    I am not.  New users are allowed to enter messages, but they aren't
    allowed to read them.  (They can scan the headers, however.)  Also, new
    users can page the sysop (though he isn't in), but they can't change
    into expert mode.  I would like to get a copy of the program that
    determined which commands new users may use; it seems to be an excellent
    random number generator.

    On another topic, what's the deal with this restraining order?  (Not
    that I will be able to read anything about it until I've been
    validated.)

    Msg #  775  Dated 05-01-88 16:53:19
     From: SYSOP
       To: ALL
       Re: MY ABSENCE

    Let me apologize for the messages to which I have not been able to
    respond. Being back to work and spending prep time has diminished the
    time I've been able to devote to this BBS.

    I have read Pat Murphy's column in the Sunday Republic's Perspective
    section, and while I cannot comment here, I will have a comment tomorrow
    in the form of a motion before Maricopa County Superior Court at, I
    believe, 10 AM. It is public record, so let me say that on Friday
    afternoon at 2:30 as I left for work, my employer, The Broadcast Group,
    Inc., the owner of KFYI and KKFR, subpoenaed all documents and records
    relating to this BBS, including your home telephone numbers, addresses,
    and passwords. While I cannot comment on this specific case here, let me
    say that in my personal life, I am consistent with my on-air stated
    principles of freedom of speech and assembly, as well as a right of
    privacy for ALL, no matter who they are, or how uncomfortable the cause.
    I will always stand up for these rights for ALL. Are you getting my
    drift? If not, keep an eye on Superior Court tomorrow.

    also want to publicly apologize to all who have been inconvenienced
    (an understatement?) by the actions of a BBS user who fraudulently
    obtained access to this board. I believe that this kind of activity is
    the most offensive kind of trickery to computer users.

    Msg #  776  Dated 05-01-88 17:08:43
     From: SYSOP
       To: ALL
       Re: MY ABSENCE

    I have deleted one particular user who used a phony telephone number to
    get validated. This user never left any public messages...just used the
    BBS at odd times like 3:45 AM (right before work, perhaps?) and logged
    on sometimes for very long periods. He also left personal comments which
    were designed to trap me into public comments on things I shouldn't be
    talking about ("What is your situation with management, anyway?")

    Also, a word to the wise, absolutely public and above board. I have
    repeatedly been encouraging users to make the majority of their messages
    PUBLIC so all can read them. My recommendation, simply, is to not leave
    ANY message, public OR private, that you wouldn't want to own up to in
    court or anywhere else. Obviously, with a temporary restraining order
    pending, your messages could end up in court. We have never, and will
    never, endorse illegal activities on this BBS. However, we also will not
    censor messages unless there is an overt illegal act advocated within.
    In other words, you are free to express any opinion, publicly or
    privately, however, as they said on "Dragnet", "Anything you say can and
    WILL be used against you in a court of law." Welcome to the Soviet
    Union, friends. I hate this.

    Again, my apologies for the invasions of your privacy. Mine's been
    invaded too. I'm doing something about it.   ***********Tom Leykis

    Msg #  777  Dated 05-01-88 17:21:24
     From: SYSOP
       To: ALL
       Re: THANK YOU

    I want to say that many folks have gone above and beyond anything I have
    ever seen in their support of me and my talk show. I mean, it's just a
    TALK SHOW, for Christ's sake.

    I want to thank everyone who has written, both electronically and to
    my post office box, and ESPECIALLY those who have been harassed for no
    good reason by the First Amendment Police. I hope I haven't let you
    down.

    Pat Murphy chastised KFYI's talk show hosts for tacitly approving such
    harassment by saying nothing. He is right. But in the next few days, it
    will become clear that I, at least, am NOT saying nothing. KFYI's hosts
    have said nothing to me, or on my behalf, throughout this whole ordeal.
    Why should they start now? I have an opinion. It will be expressed in
    court. I won't let my listeners down. Keep an eye out here for further
    developments.

    Thank you so much.

    Tom Leykis
    The News/Talk Radio Forum
    USSR

    Msg #  778  Dated 05-01-88 17:32:34
     From: CHRIS MITCHELL
       To: JIM HANSON
       Re: (R)COMPUSERVE JFORUM

    Aha! Affording 2400 bps CompuBucks is not a problem, if you use TAPCIS.
    This program automates all your CIS functions. First pass, you pick up
    your mail and message headers on pre-selected forums. Then you decide
    which msgs. you want to read, which you pick up on your second pass.
    Then, offline of course, you read and reply to any messages you choose.
    Also, you can do a database search, download, whatever at any time. (I
    haven't figured out uploading yet... oops.) Anyway, third pass the
    program posts your messages and/or replies, searches the databases and
    downloads for you, and then you're done. When you exit the program, it
    gives you your time & charges, and an estimate of what you're going to
    spend this month if you stick to the same calling pattern. What used to
    take me 45 minutes at 1200 now takes 8 min. at 2400. I used to limit
    myself to one - or occasionally two - logons a week. Now I can get on
    twice a week, usually Sat. and Sun. a.m., and I've cut my bill by two
    thirds. If you haven't seen this gem, grab it from the WORD PERFECT
    USERS GROUP on CompuMoney. It's big, and they'd love a donation "if you
    like and use the program," but it's worth it in any case. Even CIS likes
    it. They figure, it does cut down on time spent, but the frequency of
    logons goes up. So what the hell. Plus, it's fun!

    Msg #  779  Dated 05-01-88 22:10:33
     From: JOHN SCHUCH
       To: ALL
       Re: LOTS

    I'll bet a whole lot of passwords on a whole lot of systems change in
    the next few days.
    later,
    John Schuch

    Msg #  781  Dated 05-01-88 23:45:33
     From: TERRY GREEN
       To: SYSOP
       Re: USSR

    Comrade Leykis:
    To you, I say: Da, da.  I look forward to this week's listening.
                               -------Comrade Green

    Msg #  782  Dated 05-02-88 01:34:32
     From: JAMES TRIGUERO
       To: SYSOP
       Re: (R)MY ABSENCE

    Tom, thank you so much for giving me a better idea about what is going
    on.  While a can of worms has been opened, I hope you are flattered by
    the extent that your listeners have gone to to get you back on the air.
    Their efforts reflect tremendous loyalty to your show, which reflects
    the caliber of your broadcasting ability.  Please keep us informed.

    Msg #  783  Dated 05-02-88 06:22:27
     From: MIKE STACKPOLE
       To: SYSOP
       Re: (R)THANK YOU

    Tom,
      Thanks for your efforts to keep Phoenix part of the United States of
    America.  I could have sworn we had a constitution around here
    somewhere.  I'm hearing Contempt of Court here... If so, we'll bake you
    a cake with a file in it, or say 'hi' from adjoining cells.
      Damn, I'll never get this third book done on schedule...
      Word to the wise -- don't hire Leonard or Craft.  Maybe Bill French is
    available.  And don'tuse the 'Willard did it' defense...
    Mike

    Msg #  784  Dated 05-02-88 06:36:35
     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #1

           The following is reprinted from the Sunday, May
           1st, 1988, Arizona Republic.  It's an editorial
                 by Mr. Pat Murphy and is copyrighted.

      "BOYCOTT OFFERS FIRST-AMENDMENT LESSON TO KFYI OWNER"

      Economic boycotts are one of the purest and, sometimes, one
    of the most effective forms of public influence on corporate
    decisions.
      Homemakers have turned the wrath of boycotts on meat,
    coffee and sugar prices, and brought them down when companies
    found sales hurting.
      A few years ago, several corporations withdrew advertising
    from controversial network TV shows when consumers threatened
    to boycott their products.
      Groups have promoted convention boycotts on states for not
    ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment or for not creating a
    holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #2

      United Farm Workers union leader Cesar Chavez championed a
    consumer boycott of grapes and lettuce. The 7-Eleven
    convenience store chain faced a boycott by religious groups
    because of girlie magazines on store shelves.
      Three choices are open to those threatened by a boycott.
      First, companies can ignore them and go about their
    business, suffering whatever consequences, if any, develop.
      Second, they can respond to the pressure and bow to boycott
    demands.
      Or, third, they can whine and react by trying to silence
    the boycotters.
      In supreme acts of petulance and childishness, the states
    of Missouri and Nevada asked federal courts in 1979 to
    prohibit the Nation Organization for Women (NOW) from
    encouraging convention boycotts of states that failed to
    ratify ERA. One could almost hear the judges guffaw as they
    dismissed the suits.
      My guess is the same awaits Fred Weber, a Detroit beer
    distributor having a heady media fling as owner of radio
    station KFYI (910 AM.)

    Msg #  786  Dated 05-02-88 06:54:07
     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #3

      KFYI listeners are loyal. Tom Leykis, an afternoon host,
    has a rabid following. Some fans are outraged by Weber's
    unexplained demotion of Leykis.
      (One must take it on faith that the Weber-Leykis feud is
    real, not a concocted fuss to hype KFYI's poor ratings.)
      Weber has asked a court to silence KFYI listeners. They are
    protesting his policies and asking other listeners to boycott
    KFYI advertisers.
      What is so striking about Weber's suit is that a radio
    station that deals in free speech often downright tasteless
    is so eager to muzzle free speech of others.
      Weber may understand beer, but he has a way to go with the
    First Amendment.
      What is also so striking is that KFYI's talk-show hosts who
    enjoy freedom to speak would tacitly endorse this hostility
    to free speech and such obvious hypocrisy with their silence.
      I know a little of Weber's grumpiness.

    Msg #  787  Dated 05-02-88 06:55:01
     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #4

      Last week, Weber telephoned to protest 'Arizona Republic'
    columnist Bud Wilkinson writing, in part, that listeners can
    get the attention of any radio station "by failing to put
    down a station's call letters when participating in a rating
    survey."
      Wilkinson did not mention KFYI or any station.
      Weber was furious, and to hear him tell it, Wilkinson's
    column would bring Weber ruin. It would cost him "millions."
    That's what he said. "Millions."
      He wanted a retraction.
      He demanded an apology.
      He insisted on a correction.
      It was a breathless exposition.
      Nope, I said. Wilkinson is entitled to his opinion.
    Besides, I told Weber, cool down. No column would cost him
    millions.
      The last I heard as Weber hung up was that his attorney
    would call our attorney.

    Msg #  788  Dated 05-02-88 06:55:57
     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #5

      My, my.
      Weber obviously is a babe in the woods.
      He should have been over here while then-Gov. Evan Mecham's
    attack dogs were trying - unsuccessfully, I might add - to
    shut down our newspapers with advertising and circulation
    boycotts, and smears of our staff so ugly they would make you
    wince.
      One Mecham loyalist wrote form letters to national
    advertisers on a first-name basis, as if he knew them, such
    as to "Dear Carl" when writing to Carl Icahn, chairman of
    Trans World Airlines. Many recipients returned the letters to
    me, asking, "What sort of Looney Tunes do you have in
    Arizona?"
      Incidentally, our national advertising revenues grew by 9.2
    percent in 1987.
      Still other Mecham strategists tried to trigger a wave of
    circulation cancellations. However, for 1987, we can document
    only 637 home-delivery subscriptions permanently canceled in
    protest because of Mecham coverage.

    Msg #  789  Dated 05-02-88 06:56:44
     From: CONCERNED CITIZEN
       To: ALL
       Re: EDITORIAL #6

      Meanwhile, 'Republic' daily circulation increased, thank
    you, by 4.4 percent, 'Phoenix Gazette' increased 4.6 percent
    and the Sunday 'Republic' increased 5.5 percent.
      There's a lesson here for Weber.
      If Weber believes his KFYI policies are sound, then let his
    listeners decide with their support or their protest in the
    free marketplace where ideas are tested rigorously.
      If he's right, business will flourish.
      If he's wrong, well, as I say, there is a world of
    difference between distributing beer and understanding the
    First Amendment.
                         -30-

    Msg #  790  Dated 05-02-88 08:45:15
     From: BILL BOROSKI
       To: ALL
       Re: NON-STOP

    Once you select (NS) non-stop, how do you pause and/or return to reading
    messages one at a time?

    Msg #  792  Dated 05-02-88 18:48:32
     From: JIM SPEISER
       To: GENE KEEFOVER
       Re: (R)FRIENDS OF TOM LEYKIS

    Does this restraining order apply to use of the News/Talk Forum, as
    well? And how can a court order apply to private correspondence? What
    are they going to do, prosecute you for sending a letter? What's going
    on, anyway? I wasn't served, but I understand that one of my messages is
    included in the legal brief.

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        [----------------------------------------------------------------------]
     1: I spoke with Walt and Pat Wilkinson of the American Atheists the other
     2: day.  They are going ahead with their planned picket and they will be
     3: notifying me and I in turn will keep you posted.
     4:     All last week, KFYI's Barry Young has been soliciting for people to
     5: picket at the State Capitol concerning a right to life issue.  Hmmmmmm.
     6:     James Taranto recently applied for status, he is living in
     7: California and he is a writer for Reason Magazine, he is a friend of
     8: Lippard and I.  Get him on, he can help.   He is changing positions in
     9: the near future, he will be with The Heritage Foundation, a Washington,
    10: D.C. based think tank that has wide influences, including the Reagan
    11: administration.
    12:     Take care, and good luck.  It sure sounds like your rights are being
    13: violated as well as some of your users.
    14:     Have you or anyone from the group been able to get in touch with
    15: Louis Rhodes, ACLU?
    16:                               Rod
    17: end
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    A)bort, C)ontinue, D)elete, E)dit, I)nsert, L)ist, M)argin, S)ave

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    ROD, Thanks for comments!