### Apollo BBS Archive - September 24 - 26, 1989

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    Message: 61202
    Author: Al Perrie
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 20:36:50

    Yes, praise Bob.

    Message: 61203
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Adam
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 21:38:23

    No, you're quite correct, it isn't a sin and wasn't. Adam suddenly
    had this accused feeling...embarassment would be better.
    Imagine living all your life without ever seeing a mirror. Then suddenly
    one day you find that your nose is the equivalent to the bill on
    a toucan.
    Everything was normal up to then. People accepted you up to that
    point for who and what you are. Then you became
    *self* concious.
            -Mike

    Message: 61204
    Author: Grim Jack
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: RELIGION
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 23:53:08

    HELLO ALL!! AS A NEW USER TO THE SYSTEM, IT SEEMS
    IVE STEPPED INTO A FINE CAN-O-WORMS!! FOR THE RECORD, IVE
    BEEN FOR SOME TIME AN ATHIEST IN THE BUDDIST TRADITION.
    ADAM AND EVE ARE A FINE TOPIC FOR PRIMEVAL MALE/FEMALE
    DISCUSSIONS, BUT DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY EXISTED??
    IF IM STEPPING ON ANYONES TOES, I APOLOGISE, GO AHEAD, STEP
    ON MINE BACK. (IVE GOT TOUGH TOES). SEX IS A PART OF LIFE.
    IT IS AN ACT (OR FEELING), THAT CAN UNITE TWO PEOPLE, AD. INFIN.
    SOME LOVE IS FIRE/ SOME LOVE IS DUST/ BUT THE PUREST, CLEANEST
    LOVE IS LUST.
       I FORGET WHO WROTE THAT, MAYBE THAT GREATEST OF POETS,
    ANON. RESPONSE, ANYONE??
       GRIMJACK

    Message: 61205
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 03:32:00

    I hate all caps.

    HB

    Message: 61207
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 05:14:15

    Oh.

    Message: 61208
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Question?
    Subject: passwords
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 05:14:51

    Do you suppose there's any password swapping going on?

    Message: 61209
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann/nakedness
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 06:07:52

     I realize that your post was addressed to Mike, and I'm sure that he will
    answer it appropriately, but I just had to put my nickle's worth in here.
     Nakedness, while not sinful in and of itself, is used in a representative
    way on several occasions in the Bible to indicate carnal knowledge. Outside
    the bonds of marriage, in which all things are honorable according to
    Hebrews 13, carnal knowledge is considered sin. Still is, as a matter of
    fact, although you would hardly know it by looking at the mores of today.

    Message: 61210
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Grim Jack
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 06:12:12

    Stop shouting!
     Also you might inform yourself before you shout out your ignorance. I know
    a few Bhuddists who would be very surprised to hear that they were atheists.
    Other than that, you have said nothing worthy of a response.

    Message: 61211
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/Adam
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 07:28:09

    I see what you are sayin, but admit to still not understanding. You say Adam
    was embarrassed - self concious. These both are 'social things' and lets
    face it, they didn't have a very big society then. If you took a child and
    raised him in a society that didn't have those things - then he wouldn't be
    either of them - even if he had the nose of a Tucan! In other words, if our
    society touted the Nose of a Tucan as being the most in thing - the most
    beautiful thing in the world, the person would never be self concious or
    embarrassed. Social, see? So is nakedness.
    I assume you do not believe in Evolution but believe in the Bible of how
    mankind got started. If so, how do you explain away Evolution? Darwin's
    theory certain makes a lot of sense. No argument here - just interest.
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61212
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/question
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 07:40:55

    Please define 'Carnal Knowledge'! Marriage is only a legal contract. Are you
    saying that because people may want (sexualy) other's even though they are
    married is a sin? I've come to believe it's human nature, not a sin. And
    speaking of that - where does it fit in in this discussion? I.E. - we reach
    puberty and want sex. Yet not only is it bad socially, but is considered
    sinful. We are born that way - it's NOT social. So, please also define Human
    Nature. Again I say - no argument - just interest. -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. I am not for cheating on a spouse. If you supposedly dedicate your life
    to that one person through marriage and there's love involved, cheating
    would come under the heading of hurting another. No religion is needed to
    figure that one out. Just wanted to add this in case you got the wrong
    opinion.

    Message: 61213
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick/Password swap
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 08:04:32

    My password is Sharp.

    (Not on this board however...)

    Message: 61214
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Politics
    Subject: King
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 09:55:55

    I'm surprised that no one has commented on the King holiday.

    The paper seemed to indicate the reason for finally passing a paid holiday
    was not to honor King, but to insure financial profit from future
    conventions.  Sort of like a blackmail payoff.  Unfortunately the average
    tax payer gets nothing.

    Message: 61215
    Author: John Tenniel
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul S.
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 10:56:03

    As a point of historical interest, Buddha never claimed to be anything but a
    man.  I'm not sure exactly what his position on religion was, but I tend to
    think it may have been atheistic.  In any case, the modern form of Buddhism
    has degenerated from a spiritualistic philosophy designed to end the
    individual cycle of death and rebirth, into the rather silly deification
    of a philosopher and the subsequent superstitious nonsense.

    Message: 61216
    Author: John Tenniel
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nightline
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 11:05:56

    Is it my imagination, or is Koppel saying "pussy farts" a lot more than he
    used to?

    Message: 61217
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 11:35:43

    Being self concious doesn't require a society. It requires only one other
    than one self to be self concious of what one does and how he she/interacts
    with them. Adam & Eve to that point lived with God. I'd say that's quite
    a society. Satan was there too, as were the animals...for which they also
    had a respect for. If society declared a tucan nose was beautiful it
    doesn't matter. The point being not that Adam had the nose of a Tucan,
    but that he became aware of his own selfs condition. IN our terms they
    were the idol of naivetie' (sp). Adam ate first, GAWKED at Eve like (wow)
    and then realized "Hey, we're bare-a$$ed." Wouldn't you be a little
    concerned realizing after waking up that you were naked and your DAD was
    comming down the hallway?
    Sure, there's some credence to Darwins theory...adaptation. Thats all.
    Adaptation is the only thing he proved and we can duplicate. The rest
    is in the words of another here "religious dogma." Faith in ones own belief
    of what he/she holds true. Aside from some very serious shortcommings in
    evidence, I don't believe there was anything in the way of external stimuli
    to cause monkeys to turn into mankind. AFter all, we still have Monkeys
    and they aren't turning into humans. Darwins' theory must be regressive as
    well as progressive to be held true under any count. What came first?
    The chicken or the egg..and what laid the egg? What did protoplasm come from
    to make ameobas? Where did "Random particles colliding" come from?
    We know nothing can come from something, but something cannot come from
    nothing. Entropy is the governing force on Earth. God was the Alpha and
    Omega, the first and the last. He said; "I AM".          -Mike

    Message: 61218
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 12:03:02

    You say "all things are honorable" within marriage.  Does this include oral
    and anal sodomy (illegal in Georgia, even between married partners), "water
    sports" (sexual activity involving urine), sadomasochistic sex, and
    necrophilia (sex with the dead body of one's spouse)?  Just curious.

    Message: 61219
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Handles
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 23:57:55

            Okay, this has gone to far... The P.O. is getting screwed up with
    mail to nowhere (one time names) and I am just getting to many complaints. I
    want the two people who I know are involved in this to read the ules that
    have ALWAYs been there....  Not to falsify thy name....  (Yea, that's the
    one)   I know one of you IS a $tatus user....  The other has an excuse, but
    I want that person to pick ONE user name and USE it! A handle is OKAY if it
    is reasonable, and is the ONLY handle you use on this system.

            If, and I said "IF" this keeps up, I will raise the (((SHIELD)))
    level high enough to STOP this nonsense.

            And in the mean time... you $tatus users who do not like the
    multi-name users, why don't you just use the $TAtus SIG and boycott the
    main board for a few days.  (Better than complaining to the poor old SysOp)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    (there...that should take care of it!)

    Message: 61220
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 00:41:59

    Yea, verily.

    HB

    Message: 61221
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: last on "Spaz"?
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 00:52:20

            Is that your REAL name????    (Just kidding)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61222
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: KING
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 00:59:09

            I did not want this state Holiday....  But mention money we might
    lose and they pass anything.   What a worthless Holiday...  ((GREED DAY))

    I may post a [V]ote on this subject...

    [A] You are for the King Holiday
    [B] You are not for the King Holiday
    [C] Non-of-the-above  <-----  for the mindless users who can't decide!
    [D] You are for and not for the King Holiday  <---- decided on both
    [E] Choice [C] & [D]  <---- For the Dope Head  ----- like WoW!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61223
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 02:44:05

    *I* are for the King Holiday

    Partly because of the deserved recognition and partly because some of
    **MY** tax money is paid back by the City when I get the day off.
    So Phhffft.

    Message: 61224
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James T./61218
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 02:47:18

    Given a few rational perceptions that:
    (A) James Taranto has been a member of this board for years.
    (B) Paul Savage has been a member of this board for years.
    and
    (C) Both James and Paul know each others standpoints on the referenced
        material in question.

    Then

    (D) J.T. Shut up already.

    Message: 61225
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 05:40:00

    There's really no need for a definition of carnal knowledge here. I think
    you have a good handle on what it means.
     If marriage to you is "only" a legal contract, then I'm afraid that you are
    missing the best part of yours. Marriage is a spiritual bonding of two
    people into one unit, the basis for our entire social and familial
    structure. To violate that marriage by engaging in sexual activity with
    another person is called adultery, and that is spoken much of, both in the
    Bible, which is God's law, and in the courts of our land, which is man's
    law, based for the most part on God's law. Not only does it violate those
    laws, and not only is it called SIN (not merely a social event), but it
    tends to destroy both the individual who commits it, through guilt and
    remorse, and the individual against whom the offense is commited, through
    the destruction of trust, faith and love, but it destroys the entire family
    unit, children, in-laws, parents, etc.
     Yes, the desire for sex is a natural desire. God created it to be so, and
    He created the union of marriage for the satisfaction of that desire, as
    well as for the propogation of the race and the individual's need for
    companionship. To satisfy those desires outside of the bonds of marriage is
    called fornication, and that, too is against the laws of both God and the
    land. No matter how much you want to talk about it, no matter how much you
    may argue against the facts, they still remain so.
    Hope that answers your question.

    Message: 61226
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: King holiday
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 05:45:41

     I feel as I have always felt. I have no problem with a holiday in honor of
    those who labored so hard in the field of civil rights and equal treatment
    for people regardless of race.
     I just think that they could have picked a better role model, since there
    were literally thousands of good people just as involved as was King.
     The holiday should have been in place a long time ago, and to use the hope
    of a future super bowl game in order to get it through the legislature was
    disgusting.
     On a related topic, I also feel strongly that NO public funds should be
    expended on such profit making ventures as stadiums, amphitheaters, races,
    etc. Those things, if we are to have them, should be privately funded by
    those who will profit from them. Vote NO! on 106, and YES!!! on 200!

    Message: 61227
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Tenniel
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 05:47:39

     I agree with your conception. All I am saying is don't tell a Buddhist
    that.

    Message: 61228
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James T.
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 05:51:34

     Interesting question. My opinion would be that the statement refers to
    those things that are agreeable to both parties, and in which neither is
    demeaned or victimized. Most of those things you mentioned, in my opinion,
    would take some pretty kinky people, who probably are in desparate need of a
    shrink before they destroy themselves.

    Message: 61229
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bob/holliday
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 08:42:43

    I too felt like it was a type of blackmail. Don't get me wrong - Martin L.
    King in my book was one of the all time great men in the history of America.
    But there are SO many who deserve the honor of a holliday and if it wasn't
    for the blackmail, maybe another would have been chosen. Another thing, I
    did not like the idea of government workers getting another paid holliday at
    the expense of the tax payers. (that was before I knew they planned it on
    Columbus's day!) I think it was a subject that should be put to the vote in
    all states. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61230
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/evolution
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 08:55:49

    If you do not believe in evolution, how do you explain The cave man?
    Just because we cannot see things evolving, does not mean they arn't. Change
    goes on all the time. Tests on Chimpanzees have proven intelligence exists
    more than man ever thought they were capable of. These animals are capable
    of actual thought and reasoning. How do you explain that? BTW - who knows
    how God created mankind - the world? Why could He have not created them in
    an evolution way? What's 6 days to God? It could have been 6 billion years
    as far as we know. How do you explain the cave man? Was he an animal or
    human? Or do you belive them fake? If you do believe the cave man was human,
    then hasn't he evolved? Just a few questions - do you have all day? Ha.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61231
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/#61218
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 08:57:04

    Now I know what you've been up to in Washington. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61232
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Marriage
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 09:09:47

    I agree with your post 100% re: marriage. That is exactly what it means to
    me - but the marriage has nothing to do with that little piece of paper that
    is only a legal document at best. That is what I meant! I can see no reason
    why two people could not mutually consent to a life together and it be
    considered marriage without the piece of paper. So I see no sin to it if it
    doesn't exist. Why would God demand a legal paper? Marriage is in the heart,
    not in the government. I only believe in it to protect the wife. A woman can
    commit herself to being a mother & housewife for 30 years or so and then the
    husband want's out and she has no legal way of getting what's hers if the
    state doesn't not recognize common law marriages. He may be made to pay a
    little child support, but doesn't own her a thing legally. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61233
    Author: Chuck Finney
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Post Office
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 10:32:02

    I never did like junk mail.

    Message: 61234
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 16:08:31

    Re:  "I may post a ote on this subject..."

    Go for it!  But make some better options, like Im sure they could have found
    a more worthy person than King.  What's wrong with George Washington Carver?
     The FBI didn't investigate Carver for cheating on his wife.

    Message: 61235
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 16:11:30

    Re:  "Marriage is a spiritual bonding of two
    people into one unit,"

    A good post Ann!  I applaud your answer.

    Message: 61236
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage/kinky people
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 18:35:28

    Why should kinky people see a shrink instead of a clergyman?

    Message: 61237
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul/King holiday
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 18:36:29

    By what right do you select who should be honored for his work in the civil
    rights movement?

    Message: 61238
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: HEY!
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 22:35:16

    I promise to eat all my spinach.

    Message: 61239
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: FBI
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 22:48:28

    What business have they doing marital relationship investigations?  Are you
    winking at the actions of Big Brother because they went after someone you
    don't like?

    Message: 61240
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: MLK holiday
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 04:41:43

            Nope, the FBI didn't investigate George Washington Carver for
    cheating on his wife.  But there weren't any investigations into the
    Presidents that had mistresses either.  And then there's Ben Franklin,
    "Father of France".  :-)

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 61241
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Junk mail
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 06:49:33

     You might like junk mail a little better if you were to realize that the
    profit from it is to a large degree what keeps your first class rates the
    lowest in the world.

    Message: 61242
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg!!!!!
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 06:51:31

    The "spiritual bonding of two people into one unit" was MY comment, not
    Ann's! Give a little credit where it's due, please!

    Message: 61243
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James/ King holiday
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 06:55:09

     I have no right whatsoever to select anyone for that honor, other than the
    right to express my own opinion. My opinion on that particular subject is
    simply that, with all the many people who sacrificed, even to their lives,
    for the civil rights movement, a better choice than Dr. King could have been
    made. My opinion, James. Nothing more. OK?

    Message: 61244
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/61235
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 08:22:23

    Uhhhh - I'm afraid I'm not the author of that. Think Paul is the culprit --
    --- uh I mean author. Heh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61245
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 14:14:45

    The US has the lowest first class rates?  I would dispute that fact.  I have
    gotten better mail service in Central America for less.  Approximately 20
    cents.  Of course they don't have as much area to cover...  Air mail is half
    as cheap also.  (International, that is.)

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    Message: 5899
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ice-9
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 18:50:03

    It's been a long time, but I think Ice-9 came from a lab right here on
    Earth.  Hmmm.  Hang on, Apollo, I'll run to check...

    Yup

    Message: 5900
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: slipperiness
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 19:49:59

    Slipperier than snake oil, I'm sure.

    Message: 5901
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/18/89  Time: 09:56:24

    You're watching the wrong program.

    Message: 5902
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/18/89  Time: 22:18:21

    Nope.  QMI Oil treatment, right?  What have you been smoking?

    Message: 5903
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 10:31:44

    I have a legitimate 'Post Office' question. I believe we got something in
    the mail yesterday that might be mail fraud or at least bordering on it.
    A few weeks ago we received a magazine called Farm & Ranch. As far as I
    knew, it was just one of those things they send to try to get your
    subscription. I did not read the literature that came with it, scanned the
    magazine and threw it away. We got this statement that says in part ....

    '2nd NOTICE. Amount due - $12.98. Please return this portion with you
    payment. (this looks completely like a late notice - it was attached to the
    top of the page)

    It went on ... Dear subscriber, A few weeks ago you received your first
    issue of .. etc. etc. However, along with that issue we sent you an invoice
    and our records indicate that up until today, it has not been paid.

    As you'll recall, we've asked you to write "Cancel" on your first invoice if
    you decided not to subscribe to our magazine after seeing the sample issue
    you requested. (I DID not request anything Paul!) Since you did not tell us
    to "Cancel", we assume you are enjoying the magazine. So, won't you please
    mail your check today? Again, if you've mailed your payment, within the last
    few weeks, please accept our apology for this unnecessary reminder.
                            Cont.

    Message: 5904
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: Paul/cont.
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 10:32:29

    Last night I happened to be talking to my mother-in-law and the subject of
    this subscription was brought up and I found out she fell for this and sent
    in her check. She is a very elderly woman - thought this was a legitimate
    bill and paid it - she didn't' even want the magazine but thought she had
    ordered it.
    Isn't these sort of tactics against the law Paul? I looked through the page
    carefully and nowhere does it indicate that it isn't a legitimate bill. In
    fact, it fooled me for awhile into thinking that perhaps I did indeed order
    it. But what do I want with a Farm & Ranch magazine in the heart of Phoenix?
    Ha. Anyway - should I report this to the post office? Should I wait to see
    if they send me another bogus bill and perhaps threats? Thanks.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5905
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 12:08:19

    The same thing happened to me about a year ago.  I just kept throwing the
    invoice in the trash.  Finally I got a nasty letter from a collection agency
    making threats of legal action if I did not pay for the magazine.  That
    really got my attention.  After writing several letters to both the magazine
    and the collection agency, it was straightened out.

    If one is a criminal, you are innocent until proven guilty.  But if one is a
    law abiding, tax paying citizen, It seems you are guilty until proven
    innocent.

    Message: 5906
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 14:51:45

    Perhaps some prankster ordered the magazine under your name?

    Message: 5907
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Farm & Ranch
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 19:48:27

    JT's answer is the most likely.  You should mail the next invoice back to
    them with "did not order, please cancel" written across it.

    Message: 5908
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beauregard
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 03:43:59

    Well, I remember Ice-9 anyway.  Just don't drop any!

    HB

    Message: 5909
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 06:17:29

     Look up the number of the Postal inspector in the phone book, and tell them
    this very interesting little story. It could be that some fly by night
    subscription crew is at work in the area, sending in phony subscriptions to
    build their business. If so, there will no doubt be other complaints filed.
    At any rate, the law states that you neither have to pay for or return
    anything that was sent to you unsolicited. Let me know what happens. If you
    need a few further hints, and the inspectors don't help, I have another ace
    up my sleeve, but it's final desparate measures. Good luck!

    Message: 5910
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/prankster
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 07:43:04

    Could be - but at least they could have done it with Rolling Stone magazine
    instead of Farm & Ranch. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5911
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 07:46:20

    I think I will keep this so called bill and see what happens. If they send
    another, then I will act. This is certainly a brazen thing for that magazine
    co. to do - mail fraud is serious business.
    Thanks for the advice Paul. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5912
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Last....
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 09:58:39

    Tis' a pity!  "Farm & Ranch" sounds so American too.

    Message: 5913
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 12:04:07

    Speaking of Rolling Stone, there's a pretty good article in the current
    issue that contains an allusion to me.  (It's not as good as the piece in
    Commentary, however.)

    Message: 5914
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 23:18:30

    ...because you're a ramblin', gamblin' guy.

    Message: 5915
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 18:37:10

    That's "ramblin', gamblin' man."

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:JN

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    Message: 2476
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: VGA & EGA Art
    Subject: Atari ST GIF
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 23:31:06

            James Hawley has uploaded an ATARI ST program that will convert
    Atari ST pictures to the GIF format. It will also let you view other GIF
    files.... such as the ones Ann Oudin uploaded to Apollo.

            The File is: ATARICNV.ARC and can be found in Apollo's [L]ibrary.

    If you forget the name use the [S]earch cmd and type in GIF as the search
    string.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:JN

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    Message: 308
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: ZIP files?
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 23:34:54

            I have been uploaded some .ZIP files and have not the slightest idea
    of how to unzip them?  Grrrrrr

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 309
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Previous
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 02:28:49

      Let me get this straight.  You're asking *us* whether or not you have the
    slightest idea how to unzip the files?  Don't *you* know whether you know
    how?

              =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 310
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Zip files
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 02:51:48

    You need "PKUNZIP."

    Message: 312
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 08:25:14

    Oh Oh - I have comitted a mortal sin! I used the wrong category in that last
    message instead of bit bucket talk. Please master, don't put me in the Zone.
    It was a slip of the finger. -=*) Contrite Annie (*=-

    Message: 313
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Thanks Mike!
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 19:20:14

            I got the PKZ101.EXE you uploaded.... and it even WORKS!

    Thanks Mike McNeill

    Message: 314
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 23:22:25

    Gee, Cliff.  I uploaded that file to you about three weeks ago.  Why didn't
    you try it?

    Message: 315
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/24/89  Time: 23:44:37

    It did not work... I must have got a bad copy or I lost some data on the
    floppy I had it stored on.   Works like a champ now however.  Maybe I should
    put a copy in the ibrary so I have a backup...  (I'm not that smart)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 316
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 13:45:27

    If you lose your copy, Mike or I can always upload it again.  The best
    backup in the world is your friend.

    Message: 317
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Last on Backup..
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 14:35:19

            Friends are always the best backup... thanks Todd, and thanks Mike!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:JN

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    Press  to abort

    Message: 419
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Age
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 05:38:49

    How old is old?
               Shoot them all
               Ralph

    Message: 420
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/mother
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:52:49

    No - I'd never be your mother! I'd send you to an orphan's home at first
    sight! Ha - just joking. Yes, I have a 37 year old daughter. In fact, all my
    three kids are older than you. Remember the old addage - 'through age gains
    knowledge'! hahahahahahaha -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 421
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau/mother
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:53:30

    Now you I WOULDN'T send to an orphan's home. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 422
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: James H./mother
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:54:08

    You - I'd dig this great big hole and ...............

    Message: 423
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:54:36

    You I love! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 424
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/last
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:55:33

    How old is old? I dunno. Lets get out of these old rocking chairs and find
    out baby. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 425
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: a dream
    Date: 09/16/89  Time: 03:23:47

    Last evening I dreamed that I knocked on the door of James Hawley's
    apartment. He answered, looking quite surprised to see me. We shook hands,
    and I said something like "It's really good to see you James, but
    unfortunately I have been hired to kill you." Then I shot him.

    Message: 426
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/16/89  Time: 04:16:08

    Did I die?  When I shook your hand I pricked your hand with a slow acting
    poison.  You should start feeling the effects in the next week.  The first
    noticeable reaction will be the total loss of all sexual desires.  Next you
    will start to lose your eyesight.  More next week.

    Message: 427
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/16/89  Time: 04:28:00

    I don't know if you died -- I woke up as soon as I fired the pistol.

    Message: 428
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: the story ...
    Date: 09/16/89  Time: 06:44:41

    Nick's bed was drenched is sweat after his dream. He sat up quickly and the
    morning sun made him shut his eyes against it's piercing rays. His dream had
    made his mind muddle, but as it started to clear, the jarring thought came
    to him. "My god, I have been hired to kill James. Was this dream a warning
    that he will poison me?"
    He jumped up and headed for the bathroom. He looked at himself close in the
    mirror. He didn't look like a killer, but the money had been to irresistable
    and his car payment were extremely high. He tried to shake off the feeling
    of impending doom, but it wouldn't go away. He went back into the bedroom,
    got his black shorts, black T-shirt, black socks, black pants and shirt and
    swiftly put them on and glanced at his form in the closet mirrors. "Gads,
    but I look like a killer now!" He chuckled to himself.
    He shook off the thought and went into the bathroom again and opened the
    hamper where he had hidden the gun. He picked it up, rubbing his hands over
    the cool black metal. "I must be careful and not shake hands with James!
    Perhaps a hug, but no hand shakes or kisses!"
    Feeling confident, he headed towards the door, getting another brief glance
    at himself in the mirror, then he closed and locked the door. His black
    gleaming car waited for him in the garage but when he got in ..........

    Message: 429
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/17/89  Time: 06:16:01

    The car would not start.................

    Message: 430
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Story cont.
    Date: 09/17/89  Time: 07:39:55

    ..... and Nick became enraged. He viciously ripped open the door and
    starting kicking the left front fender. An hour later, after his rage was
    spent, the car looked like ..........

    Message: 431
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: end!
    Date: 09/17/89  Time: 12:39:08

    ... it was going to have to leave the  SIG and head over to the
    creativity corner, where it belongs.

    ! BOOM !  Along came the Apocalypse, and the Apollo members of the
    istian SIG lived happily ever after.

    Message: 432
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau Doggy
    Date: 09/18/89  Time: 09:08:10

    Thanks pallie for ending the story! I thought it would start a nice long
    story but you blew it fellow. It had all the makings of a good one too -
    Nick was already undressed in the very first chapter and there was subtle
    hints that they'd be lots of blood and gore! Sigh! You ruined it.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 433
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Stories
    Date: 09/18/89  Time: 10:29:55

            I like SHORT stories....  ha ha ha

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 434
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: story
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 07:04:30

     .... Cliff laughed as he read the ending to Ann's very short story that
    Beau Doggy cut off.
    Suddenly, a banging at the door caused Cliff to come out of his reverie.
    Since it was very late at night, he un-snapped his holster just in case it
    was an unsavory charactor behind that door.
    He slowly opened the door. Before realization set in and he could make a
    move toward his gun, a hugh axe came down right in the middle of his head,
    sending gore and brain matter all over the north wall and his china cabinet.
    From the downstairs computer room, Dandy Sandy heard the noise and she too
    un-snapped her holster. She slowly climbed the stairs and before she knew
    what had happened, she slipped in the gore. But before she hit her head on
    the china cabinet, she saw who had done such a deed and knew she'd never
    forget that face! Then she lost consciousness and .....

    Message: 435
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: last/FLAW!
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 09:05:26

            Well, at least I did not suffer long....   But I would like to point
    out a small fact....  We do not UN-SNAP our holsters.  They unsnap them
    selves when you draw at the correct angle.   Just thought you would want to
    know for your next gore story.....   Besides, Sandy would probably want to
    reward the guy with the axe.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 436
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Story .....
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 18:57:38

            ..... and in her present state of unconsciousness images of her
    first encounters with Cliff were swirling around inside.
            Visions of Cliff sniffing her clothing on her first visit to Gemini
    Computer checking for cigarette smoke, his incessant desire to check her
    teeth, his .......

    Message: 437
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: story
    Date: 09/19/89  Time: 19:15:33

    wow... first paragraph already has one murder with lots of blood and gore...
    I may have to shut my eyes for this one.....

    Message: 438
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: I have a ....
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 08:28:54

    ... feeling that if Sandy had smoked when they first met, it wouldn't have
    made a difference. Of course, that's not to say he wouldn't have encouraged
    her to quite. What was that again Sandy that you say he was sniffing? Heh.
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 439
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last on Smoke
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 10:48:06

            You never know, but to tell the truth, I have always stayed away
    from the girls who smoked.... no matter how great they looked, so they never
    had a chance.  It is not fun to feel lousy around people you are trying to
    have fun with.  Headaches, watery eyes, runny nose.... does that sound like
    fun to you?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 440
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/20/89  Time: 15:50:03

    It sounds like love to me!

    Message: 441
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/21/89  Time: 06:48:09

    I take it you do not spend many evenings at the local smoke filled pub?
                                   -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 442
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann and PUBs
    Date: 09/21/89  Time: 08:25:36

            You are correct...  That is one reason I stay out of places like
    that.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 443
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/21/89  Time: 15:14:08

            ... and that is why Cliff stays out of Grocery stores, restaurants,
     movie theaters, ice cream parlors, parks ....................

    Message: 444
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/Sandy
    Date: 09/21/89  Time: 20:20:03

            Grrrrrr  That is unfair...  We went out to eat tonight, and this is
    the kind of post I log in to read.  Most of what you listed above are not
    smoking areas anyway.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 445
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/22/89  Time: 18:59:25

    Hey, don't feel so bad.  I wouldn't want to be seen in public if I were you
    either.

    Message: 446
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last few
    Date: 09/22/89  Time: 22:53:03

    I'd comment, but this isn't mos

    Message: 447
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/23/89  Time: 02:09:41

    Then just respond in the COS sig.

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:JN

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    Message: 590
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Where is ...
    Date: 09/25/89  Time: 10:04:53

    ... our god gone to? He hasn't posted for a week. We need religious
    instructions or we'll go to hell in a hand basket. Come on back Roddy!
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

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    Message: 591
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Answer
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 14:43:56

    He died and went to hell, forever and ever and ever.

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:JN

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    You were on 10:10

    Please hang up now
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