### Apollo BBS Archive - November 3 - 10, 1989

    Message: 61965
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Harold & Maude
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 19:16:09

    Phew.  Good thing I didn't accept the invitation to the GT, I would have had
    to sue for false advertising.  I've seen H&M many times, but driving to
    Cliff's in the middle of the night to see it instead of the advertised film
    would not have been fun.

    Message: 61966
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Woodruff
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 20:14:12

    Kiss my ass.

    Message: 61967
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 20:14:31

    I'll be the judge of that.

    Message: 61968
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: B-Dog
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 20:31:12

            MAJOR Video did not have the MLK documentary, so Zak & Sandy winged
    it.   Sorry...  However, ZAK and I do want to watch this video on MLK and if
    you are interested...speak up ????   Let's hear if for a MLK GT!!! At my
    place most likely.....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61969
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Heather Brown
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 22:06:12

    Yeah, Heather, I knew you way back in the Spaz days too!  And have never
    (sniff) been invited to the void either.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 61970
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MLK GT
    Date: 11/02/89  Time: 23:02:58

    Yes, I'd be interested in seeing that film.

    Message: 61971
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 00:05:00

            We will need to find the MLK tape you were talking about and set up
    a GT just a wee bit earlier so B-Dog and maybe one or two others can make
    it.   You know those working people and their problems... always
    complaining!    ha ha ha ha ha

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61972
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Achtung!
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 01:10:25

    GARGOYLE is now up and running on-line.

    From the folks who brought you: VicNet, Terror. Dbase I,II,III,IV V
    and Digital Space......

    G A R G O Y L E           9 4 3 - 4 5 2 3

    2400/1200/300    *MNP*   24 HOURS  7 DAYS

    and it's  F R E E.

    Online games, Multiuser games, Multiuser Chat, Nethack, and
    (i'm still programming the message base....11 SIGS )

    Future: Access to USENET
            Access to Fidonet  (We have the protocol already)
            Networked to the GENERIC BBS.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Message: 61973
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Der Void
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 01:15:26

    The void was there because it was.

    Message: 61974
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 03:51:35

    The video is entitled "King:  A Filmed Record -- Montgomery to Memphis."
    When I have the chance, I'll call some stores.  If it's not out on video, do
    you have any other ideas?

    Message: 61975
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 03:52:20

    You'd like that, wouldn't you?

    Message: 61976
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob on outhouses
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 05:22:10

    Speaking of them - my husband use to do something that was funny - to the
    by-stander at least. There was a state park's outhouse on a major highway in
    Wyoming that butted up against a hill. Him and a buddy rigged up a radio
    with two mikes - one mike they taped underneath the outhouse seat, out of
    sight - then they would go up on this hill and hide, waiting for some woman
    to go in. Preferably an older lady. They would give her time to get her
    undies down and seated and then one of them would yell into the mike -
    - "Help! Help! I'm trapped down here" - or much worse I suspect. Nine times
    out of ten, the ladies would run out of the place with their pants down
    around their knees! I know I would! Unfortunately, one time they called the
    police and that put a squelch to their little game. I hate outhouses and am
    always sure there is something evil lerking in there that will take a big
    bite out of me someday. Guess I've seen too many movies and/or have too big
    of an imagation. I just know that Godzilla at least must be in there.
                                  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61977
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sorry Zak that ...
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 05:23:21

    ... I praised another for you wonderful statement. No matter really. It's
    true enough no matter who says it. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61978
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on minorities
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 05:40:49

    Yes, I certainly would be upset to have my house burnt down because of
    something that happened 100 years ago. I did nothing then and do not do
    anything now to fan the fires of prejudice. I respect people for what they
    are, not their skin color. If I see a black person that is acting like an
    idiot, then I will treat him like he is acting. NOT make concessions because
    he is black. Ditto anybody. That is my opinion of NOT being prejudiced. They
    have fought for their rights (and I do give thanks to King for a lot of it)
    and have won many that is rightfully their's to begin with. They too have
    'Come a long way baby' - if you get my point.
    Re: King ... until he came along, I suppose you could say I was prejudiced -
    coming from a family that was from Texas, I heard it all against the blacks.
    (Niggers of course) I never give it much thought. Went to an all white
    school until high school, so I knew nothing about them except what I was
    taught. I happened to turn into his famous speech that day and was
    overwhelmed at what he was saying and opened my eyes to what was happening -
    had been happening. I felt ashamed at my own feelings - the 'nigger' jokes I
    kept telling, etc. If he did nothing but open many people's eyes to the
    facts, then I respect him fully regardless of his sex life or any other
    scandel I've heard. As far as I'm concerned, he's right up there with Jack
    and Bobby Kennedy and you know how I feel about them! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61979
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on movie
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 05:43:02

    What video about King are you going to watch? The "I've got a dream speech"?
    If so - I am interesting in coming over. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61980
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 06:40:20

    No, never for a Democrate, nor a Republicane, nor for a Libertariane either.
    Maybe for a couple of Republicrates along the way though.

    Message: 61981
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: B. Dog
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 06:53:00

     You bet it was me with Donnelly! I am, and always have been a strong
    believer in organized labor and in the overall good they have done in this
    country, but I am not blind to the inherent problems within some labor
    organizations, and this grocery clerks union is one of the worst.
     I have heard from many of their own members (and ex-members) that the
    "union" (for the most part company unions) is never there when someone
    really needs them. File a grievance over some management injustice and you
    are as likely to lose your job as get anything resolved.
     Now this same "champion of the oppressed" is trying to restrain a business
    from coming into the valley and jumping into a very competitive market with
    a somewhat different concept of marketing. Fact is, if we can look behind
    the facade of what they are saying, is that no retail grocery clerk's job is
    in danger. The only thing that is in danger is the featherbedding high level
    income of the union officials. Smith's pays at least the same, and in many
    cases, more than union scale to their employees. I have had occasion to be
    present at 3 Smith's grand openings recently, (1 in Cottonwood and the 2
    here on the 1st), and have talked with many of Smith's workers, all of whom
    spoke very highly of Smith's as a great place to work, and wonderful people
    to work for.
     In this particular case, I have two observations to make. Well, maybe 3. 1.
    The effort of the union to discourage people from shopping by picketing the
    stores was a total failure. 2. The union did little more than make a
    laughing stock of themselves. and 3, The million bucks they claim is going
    into the boycott effort is members money wasted that could be better used.

    Message: 61982
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 07:00:07

     The ad is fine, and thanks.
     As to the rest of your message, your own bigotry is screaming so loudly
    that I will let it stand on it's own, without further comment.
     Have a nice day.
    Paul

    Message: 61983
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Smith's
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 08:03:34

    Why do you attend grand openings of stores of this chain?  Or do you have a
    grand opening jones ??

    Message: 61984
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Union...
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 10:24:56

            Hey, PAUL!   I agree with you on this one too... Great post!
    I thought the same thing when I heard about the 'MILLION BUCKs'.  I said to
    my self.. "Self, what a waste of members money!"

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61985
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Zak
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 17:47:46

    A most eloquent condemnation, Zak, if I may say so.  However, I think that
    your response was lacking in its usual educated flair, JT.

    Then again, it could just be me.

    HB

    Message: 61986
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The Void
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 17:48:55

    Paul:  you're supposed to be on.  I even left your name in the original
    list.  Cliff, can we get this corrected?

    Gary:  please forgive me, but I don't remember your name at all.  Send me a
    letter or something.

    HB

    Message: 61987
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/Void/Cliff
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 17:49:20

    No offense, but glad I didn't have to do that to START the SIG.

    HB

    Message: 61988
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 17:49:46

    Miss something?  Or just not feel like defending yourself?

    HB

    Message: 61989
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary Larson
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 17:51:07

    "Look, everybody, I'm a cowboy!  Howdy, howdy, howdy!"

    Message: 61990
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Heather
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 18:17:15

    Oh well.

    Message: 61991
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 19:07:37

    A friend of mine told me there is a new book out about him, which discusses
    his sexual escapades, among other things.  Has anyone heard anything about
    it?  Did the FBI open their 50-year-locked file?

    Message: 61992
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: In search of
    Subject: MLK videos
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 19:32:05

    Tower Video has 2 or 3 titles which have Martin Luther King footage: news
    reports, speeches, etc.  One of them sounded particularly good.  So if you
    want to rent one of these videos and get together at Cliff's, I'm for it.
    When is a good night?  How is Tuesday?  I'll bring the M&Ms...

    Message: 61993
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 20:12:18

    Re:  "want to watch this video on MLK"

    I don't know where you would get one that is unbiased, but it might be fun
    to watch.  Let me know the time and date.

    Message: 61994
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 20:16:48

    Re:  "always sure there is something evil lerking in there that will take a
    big
    bite"

    I grew up using one, but I don't remember that problem.  I did, however,
    fear the boogie man that hid under my bed.  Ha!

    Message: 61995
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak/MLK book
    Date: 11/03/89  Time: 23:07:08

    There has been a book published recently (1 or 2 months) written by a friend
    of MLK.  It does state that he slept with other women.  He was on CBS
    Overnight a couple of weeks ago.

    In the interview it was brought up that the author didn't want to put that
    in the book but the publisher wanted it to 'beef up' sales.

    Message: 61996
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: In search of
    Subject: ELVIS
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 05:53:50

         I am looking for an Elvis impersonator.  Not just any impersonator,
    mind you, but one who is so god-awful that it borders on high camp.
    Preferable one who barely resembles the real Elvis, but who is sincere in
    his portrayal.  This is not a joke.  Please help me.

    Message: 61997
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject:  B. Dog
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 06:06:07

     What's a grand opening jones? Never heard that expression before.
     Actually, I attend a lot of grand openings, as well as other events,
    because I am under contract with the Arizona lottery to play Windfall
    Willie, the lottery's mascot at such places. I also attend such things as
    baseball and football games, races, and wherever else Willie's attendace is
    requested.

    Message: 61998
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak/MLK
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 06:09:46

     The FBI hasn't opened their files. Actually, one of King's right hand men
    and close associates, Rev. Abernathy, wrote a book, one chapter of which
    deals rather extensively with Dr. King's sexual exploits. That received it's
    share of media attention a couple of weeks ago.

    Message: 61999
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ms. Brown
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 11:54:13

    RE: "Miss something? Or just not feel like defending yourself?"
    I guess You'd say I am missing something because I don't understand the
    above.

    Message: 62000
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter on Elvis
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 11:56:35

    Well, Paul does clowns. Perhaps he'd do Elvis. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62001
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: jones
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 12:53:40

    I've heard of Slow Talkin' Jones,
                  Available Jones,
                  Going to see Mrs. Jones,

    and have been a sleepy Jones,
                    bored Jones
                    that $%#@&*!! Jones

    but have never heard of a Grand Opening Jones either.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 62002
    Author: Thomas Hart
    Category: In search of
    Subject: My cat
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 14:42:10

    Has anyone seen my cat?

    Message: 62003
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 16:08:20

    What color?  I saw this orange one yesterday.

    Message: 62004
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/GRND OPN Jones
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 16:10:23

    Well the only thing I can remember is a song that's probably 15 years old.
    It was a comedy one called, "I got a basketball jones".  Fairly funny.  It
    just means that you have a habit, addiction, etc.  Old black slang?  English
    slang?  I'm not sure.

    So Beau said, "So you have a grand opening addiction?".

    Message: 62005
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: joneses
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 17:58:34

    Hawley got it!  I think it is ghetto (black) slang.

    Message: 62006
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 20:40:59

    I suppose it's a lost cause then.

    HB

    Message: 62007
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tom
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 21:14:12

    Re:  "Has anyone seen my cat?"

    What does it look like?

    Message: 62008
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cat!
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 22:39:27

            There was this brazen cat on Halloween night that just walked in our
    front door and went downstairs to check it out I guess...  Sandy had to go
    run after it and carry it out side.  This cat was so arrogant, it must
    have belonged to a BBS user!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62009
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gallery X
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 22:43:44

            Is now listed in Apollo's  cmd, that can be found in the
    ain menu.  As most of you know, Gallery X is owned and run by Peter
    Petrisko.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  Be sure to check out the growing list of other merchants as well.
    If you visit them, tell them you saw it on Apollo!
                            Thanks!

    Message: 62010
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: ther Systems...
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 22:48:16

            I am considering doing away with the ther systems list.  It
    changes daily and I can't keep up with it.  Sysops complain when they don't
    find their boards listed...  and they complain when they take them off line
    and I still have their number listed...  You CAN'T WIN!

            Does anyone have any thing to say in defence of the cmd?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62011
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: 62000th post!
    Date: 11/04/89  Time: 22:54:59

            Today the 62,000th post in the PUBlic board was placed by Ann Oudin.
    She wins two wondeful days, all expense paid trip into the beautiful PHAntom
    Zone.  (I don't understand why that place has a bad reputation.)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  Pack your bags Ann....

    Message: 62012
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 04:20:06

    Bon Voyage, Ann!

    p.s.  Send a postcard...

    Message: 62013
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James H.
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 06:02:57

     Thanks for the definition. Don't remember that song, and never heard the
    expression before.

    Message: 62014
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann the Phannie
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 06:05:39

     Oh NO! Now we'll have to hear about her begging, pleading and grovelling
    again! Oh well. See you in a couple Ann!

    Message: 62015
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Ticket
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 06:20:35

    I have a Southwest Airlines frequent flyer ticket for sale.  Good for 1
    round trip or two one way trips to anywhere they fly.  Expires end of the
    year.  Holiday blackouts apply.  If interested, leave mail.

    Message: 62016
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 08:08:35

    There are no other systems.

    Message: 62017
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ther systems
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 08:27:10

    I occasionally find it useful.  Sorry to hear it is such a bother.

    Message: 62018
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Void
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 08:27:57

    Hmmm. I think 65536 would have been a better choice for magic number...

    Message: 62019
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: J.T. / 62016
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 11:09:51

            Hey J.T.,  I like your answer!  There are times you really make me
    smile...  this is one of them.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62020
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: B-Dog
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 11:11:05

            It would not be such a bother if more users would keep me informed.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62021
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ms. Brown
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 12:26:20

    I don't believe in lost causes!

    Message: 62022
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff - not...
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 12:29:34

    ... again with the Phantom Zone? Why does that place seem to follow me like
    the plague. I've been a good girl too. (well, almost anyway!) Heck, I
    haven't even corrupted Sandy in months either. Sigh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62023
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on the Zone
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 12:32:45

    Sorry fella - you can't see (hear) me grovel and beg unless you are in the
    Zone yourself. I've got it down pat too. Last time, through the wonderful
    compassion of our Mighty Sysop, I only stayed in that place over night! He
    had mercy. But if you want to see my famous groveling post - you must go
    there. It can be arrainged ya know! Heh heh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62024
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: All
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 12:35:03

    For all you of that haven't been to Smith's yet to do your grocery shopping,
    I highly recommend it. The prices are fabulous - un-real! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62025
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 15:23:40

    It's one of the most crazy stores I've been in.  I've never seen a store so
    busy.  I was there last night at midnight.  And they 18 checkout lines open.
     Prices are pretty good.  They must have had 100 employees in the store at
    that late hour.

    Message: 62027
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Smith's
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 16:28:15

    Smith's took out a continuous, four-page ad in today's Republic ("B"
    section) which contrasted the prices of about 300 different items between
    Smith's and six other supermarket chains: Frys, ABCO, Safeway, Smittys,
    Bashas, and Albertsons.

    They also contrasted the grand-totals, which ranged from $606.64 for
    Smith's, to $695.85 for Safeway.

    This results, in the best case comparison (from Smith's point of view), in a
    total price difference on 300 items of $95.21
    This means that, on average, Smith's saves you about 32 cents
    (31.7) per item.  Of course, this is Smith's best case comparison.
    The worst case comparison, between Smith's and (of course) Albertsons,
    resulted in an average savings of slightly more than one cent per item
    (1.13)
    Averaging the prices of its competitors, Smith's saved about 22 cents per
    item over its competitors.

    Of course, Smith's, having done a certain amount of research and preparation
    for their grand opening, most likely lowered prices on items which they
    planned to feature in the comparison, and perhaps chose items which would
    offer the greatest opportunity for contrast.  But it's still good while it
    lasts.  No doubt Smith's will not take out any ads after they have attracted
    a steady customer base, when their prices will creep up to join the rest.

    Message: 62028
    Author: Jeff Groves
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Making Money
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 21:37:25

         YOUR COMPUTER CAN MAKE YOU RICH
    ~
    Attend a powerful new seminar and find out how you can use your
    fine, old ... or great new computer to make a bundle of money.
    Choose your weapon and start part-time or full-time.  If you ever
    dreamed of starting a home based business then don't miss this one.
    ~
    You can even use your computer to make a current business extra
    profitable.  This is like no other computer entrepreneuring
    session you've ever heard about.  And you'll love the price.
    ~
        1. You'll learn about dozens of new business ideas
    ~      that aren't on everybody's list.
    ~
        2. You'll receive hundreds of fresh, up-to-date resources
           of little-known software.
    ~
        3. Plus, you'll get a ton of low cost marketing tips and
           techniques ... some of which will knock your socks off.
    ~
    Over and above your computer, you can get started for less than
    $1,000.  In many cases, much less.  This is for real.  Oh yes,
    this is not a sales pitch to sell you hardware or software, or a
    lead-in to another seminar.  Call 495-1338 (24 hrs) for more info.

    Message: 62029
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/05/89  Time: 22:37:36

    ... the secret is that they tell you how to use your computer and modem to
    upload ads like the previous, and rake off a percentage of the $1,000 when
    you get other people suckered in...

    Message: 62030
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/grovelling
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 05:38:27

     I heard enough about it. I don't really have to see it. Thanks anyway.

    Message: 62031
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Busy Smith's
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 05:42:25

     The grand opening reception was far greater than even Smith's management
    had expected, according to reports, and is still continuing as more and more
    area shoppers are satisfying their curiosity and taking advantage of the
    good buys there. I'm sure that, once they are established in the valley, the
    hulabaloo will settle down and they will be more accessible. I'll wait until
    Jan. 1, when the store at 43rd Ave. & Cactus is scheduled to open, to do any
    serious shopping there. The two they have now are just too far out of my way
    to use.

    Message: 62032
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/ Smith's
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 05:46:48

     According to an article I read about a week ago in the business section of
    the Republic, Smith's have maintained overall prices 5-15% below competitors
    proces in the areas in which they are already established. This would seem
    to indicate a more permanent policy than just grand opening specials to
    attract a customer base. We can at least hope so, and look forward to a
    general reduction in our grocery bills. (Now if only we could get a cheaper
    power company to settle here!)

    Message: 62033
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James/Smith's
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 07:16:49

    We were there at 9:AM on a sunday morning and had to park across the highway
    the parking lot was so full!
    After seeing their prices, I can't justify shopping elsewhere without a
    guilty concious on wasting money. Of course, I wouldn't just go there to get
    a loaf of bread and milk. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62034
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 07:22:18

    I agree with you that I think they will keep their prices down. It makes
    sense. If they did creep up, then people would go back to their old stores
    that are more convenient. Why hassle with a monstrous store like that unless
    there's a good reason? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62035
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Computer Riches
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 09:25:56

    My computer *has* made me rich.  I have several new friends, and a couple of
    new enemies as a direct result of using my computer.  "Who can ask for
    anything more?"

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 62036
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Other Systems List
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 10:44:23

    Why don't you only list BBSs that have been up for at least a year?  That
    should keep the riffraff out.  Call it the Non-volatile Other Systems List.

    Message: 62037
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 11:45:39

       The following video tapes on Martin Luther King, Jr. are available from
    the Phoenix Public Library:
           In Remembrance of Martin
              60 min. PBS Video           1988
           Martin Luther King, Jr; A Personal Portrait
              53 min. The Michaelis Tapes 1987
           King, Montgomery to Memphis
              103 min. MPI Home Video     1988
           I Have A Dream (Speech given 8/28/63)
              25 min.                     1986
       Also available are biographical video tapes on George Washington Carver,
    Marcus Garvey, and Malcolm X.
       The MLK tapes are in plentiful supply at this time, but the librarian
    cautioned that a run on them will occur as MLK day nears.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 62038
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 13:16:01

            This week may not work for me...  However, Next week looks good.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62039
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: on Computer riches..
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 17:21:54

    Well, I know that my computer isn't making ME rich...it is a tool
    that I use in the course thereof.
    And as far as that seminar is concerned...I know how to make good money
    with my computer..just that like anyone else who does..we sure as
    hell aren't holding seminars on it to exploit it.
    Besides, anything like that, such a computer seminar "on how to have
    your computer make you rich" is gonna be common sense or simple crock..
    and a combination of both...since NOBODY who knows of a failsafe way
    to do so sure as heck isn't going to be talking about it.

    That's like saying; Hear a goldminer tell you where his gold is
    and how he got it.

    I though scam artists were prohibited here.

    Message: 62040
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike on Scam artists
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 18:07:28

            I know the users of Apollo are too smart to fall for any of that
    stuff.   So I let the poster use his freedom of speech rights.

            Besides, it is not my job to protect you from your own stupidity.
    That job belongs to people like J.T.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62041
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Reps and Congressmen
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 18:10:11

            A complete listing of U.S. Congressmen and Representatives can be
    found in the ibrary.  File names are: REPRESEN.TXT & CONGRESS.TXT.
    If you forget the names...use the [S]earch cmd.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62042
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 19:01:13

    "King:  Montgomery to Memphis" rates 3 & 1/2 stars (out of a possible 4) in
    Leonard Maltin's book.

    Message: 62043
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Message 61795
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 20:28:26

    I smell sysop message-tampering.  P.U.
    (Who is this Robert Adams, anyway?)

    Message: 62044
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 21:00:34

    I do not protect people from their stupidity.  I merely rub their noses in
    it.

    Message: 62045
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Huh?
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 21:11:27

    Re:  "This is for real.  Oh yes, this is not a sales pitch"

    I don't believe you.

    Message: 62046
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 11/06/89  Time: 21:17:14

    Re:  "I do not protect people from their stupidity."

    What I want to know is, why isn't someone protecting you?  Ha!

    Message: 62047
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Yew no
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 02:59:43

      You know, come to think of it, I never *have* seen Miss Brown and Mrs
    Sysop together.  Kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

    =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 62048
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/#62046 to JT
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 08:39:48

    Good one Bob! Real good one! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62049
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on the vote
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 08:41:31

    For the first time I refuse to vote! I resent the wording of (B). It is very
    biased! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62050
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Vote...
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 10:07:05

            That is because you refuse to see the FACTs!   They have proven it
    over and over again.  It even kills people that do not smoke themselves, but
    who just live around a smoker.  Why it even kills animals (such as PETs).
    You want the TRUTH white washed Ann?
            The last of the smokers in my family have all died off...  ALL
    related to smoking problems....  FACT!   Think I am happy about it?

                            HELL NO!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62051
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: smoking
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 21:04:53

        My sister used to smoke.  One time she borrowed my car and one of my
    favorite shirts (without asking), and was smoking cigarettes while she
    drove.  She had finished a cigarette, and threw it out the window.  Little
    did she know that it had flown right back into the car and landed in the
    front left pocket of the shirt she was wearing (which was mine).  By the
    time she figured out what had happened, my favorite shirt was ruined.  There
    was a big, black, tell-tale hole burned right on the pocket.  She,
    however, was not hurt.  Think I am happy about it?

                        HELL NO!

    Zak

    P.S.  I am not a smoker, butt if I did smoke, I'd smoke cigars.  From what
    I've heard, the cigars the Amish people make are particularly good.  Mmmm...

    Message: 62052
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 21:25:03

    Cliff, I've been thinking about your feeling that MLK was a "trouble maker."
    Wasn't your Jesus supposed to be a trouble maker as well?  Diane Fossey, of
    "Gorillas in the Mist" fame, was a trouble maker.  Do you think there might
    be a very strong connection between the fact that these people were martyred
    and the fact that they pissed a lot of people off?

    I have to agree that MLK was a trouble maker.  Back then, it was the norm
    for blacks to be segregated, forced to sit in the back of busses, arrested
    for trying to be served in most restaurants, etc.  For many whites, the idea
    that blacks should be equal was indeed a high form of "trouble."  Since MLK
    was a spokesperson for the civil rights movement, and promoted this form of
    trouble, I think he qualifies as a trouble maker.  In this context, however,
    "trouble maker" has good connotations.

    About MLK's adultery:  According to statistics, 60% of married men
    sleep with other women sometime during the marriage.  How many historical
    figures do you think fall under the 60%?  I'm willing to bet that lots of
    our heroes and leaders do.  However, I'm sure few of them were caught, or
    had their flings as well-documented as MLK.  Benjamin Franklin was a
    promiscuous man.  So was JFK.  We're even finding that many of our so-called
    moral leaders (Swaggart, Bakker) are up to no good.  How many more do you
    suppose haven't been caught?
    I'm not saying that it's OK to commit adultery, I'm just trying to re-state
    and strengthen the argument that MLK shouldn't be condemned on that basis.

    Message: 62053
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak on MLK
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 22:06:28

            Where did you get your info for that last post... "Most restaurants"
    and in the "Back of Busses"?  I will have you know I was around in the 60's
    and I never saw a black that could not eat in any restaurant he wanted to or
    sit where he wanted to.   I think you are referring to the deep South, and
    that makes your use of the word "Most" to be invalid.

            I grew up around the New York, Boston and Fall River area, and there
    were plenty of blacks.

            How about you others who were around in the 60s?  Is Zak correct?
    I only know from where I was at the time, so I could be wrong.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62054
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cigarettes
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 22:33:53

            I have some who left me mail that Cigs do not kill,  or I worded
    my ote a little strongly.  They do KILL in more then one way.  Last month
    about...The baby sitter who sat for my brothers kids died in a fire from his
    smoldering cigarette.  It killed him, his dog, his cat and his two birds.
    It left his wife with nothing... the fire was a total!  Would you want to
    white wash this to her?

            I have two Uncles dead from lung disease and one Grandfather.  I
    have one Aunt who is sickly from being around one of those Uncles, and the
    cause of it all was 'cigarettes'...   You want me to be nice about that
    garbage....  NOPE!  It is poison and the funny part, is people know this but
    still light up?

            It's DIRTY, STINKS and KILLS! Tonight the driver in front of me
    tossed his lit cigarette out of his car window on the road. Stopped at a red
    light, I looked out the window and down, and the median was full of dirty
    old butts everywhere!  The boys doing chores around the house pull them
    dirty things out of my landscaping all the time... And we don't smoke!?

    Cigs KILL, Cigs KILL, Cigs KILL, Cigs KILL....

    If you do not like my ote question, then do not ote, but you are only
    fooling yourself... Not me!  You are the one hooked on drugs.
     [-;}   Smile!  *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*  Take a breath of life.

    Message: 62055
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Zak's shirt
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 23:01:23

    Sounds unlikely.  Was your sister burned?  Has she ever tried to sell you
    mystery real-estate which she described as "hitherto undiscovered gems"?

    Message: 62056
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 11/07/89  Time: 23:12:46

    Re:  "60% of married men sleep with other women sometime during the
    marriage"

    Where did you get that statistic?  Each person should decide for himself
    whether adultery is right or wrong.  If someone thinks it is right, what
    difference does it make except to the one who thinks it is wrong.
    Personally, I think it is wrong.  I don't do it.  It is impossible for me to
    think well of a person who engages in it.  That's just the crazy kind of guy
    I am.

    Message: 62057
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on segregation
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 05:42:35

     Zak was correct in his statement Cliff, as it applied to the post-slavery
    states in the south. Blacks were indeed openly segregated, in buses, in
    restaurants, even in public restrooms and at public drinking fountains.
     Having been born and raised in the northeast, as you were, I was not
    personally witness to this sort of segregation, but I think that we both saw
    a lot of prejudice and hate in the hearts and actions of whites in that
    area. Yes, blacks were allowed in buses and restaurants, as you said, but
    they also lived in certain sections of the city, other, "white" areas being
    closed to them. Only the most menial, dirty jobs were given to blacks, and
    their opportunity for a decent education, or to better themselves was rare,
    if it existed at all. Matter of fact, even though I have not been back to
    the area since 1962, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find the same mindset
    still in existence. Some things take several generations to educate out of a
    people.

    Message: 62058
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on smoking
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 05:47:15

    Right on Cliff!
    Have you ever noticed (I'm sure you have) that with the hard-line addicts,
    it's easier to become offended at remarks such as yours and mine, and to get
    quickly defensive with all the worn out lies about how grandpa smoked until
    he was 92 and then got hit with a car, than it is to do the sensible thing
    and admit that they are addicts and do something to cure the addiction?
     Oh well, I guess there are more than one way to cure smoking. Cancer,
    emphysema, heart failure, and on and on.

    Message: 62059
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/adultery
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 05:50:27

     "It is up to each person to decide for himself whether adultery is right or
    wrong."
     I can't believe that you said that Bob. You, of all people, should know
    better, unless you have suddenly become so "liberal" that Bible truths no
    longer apply.
     "Thou SHALT NOT commit adultery." God

    Message: 62060
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on smoking
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 07:52:37

    I don't believe they are FACTS and never did. Blown way out of
    believibility. Almost my entire family smoked and not one of them died
    related to smoking and most died at an old age! As far as pets - in which I
    can say I've had plenty of in my life - had three dogs that lived to be 16
    years old. My mother who was a heavy smoker had one that died at 21 years
    old. I don't belive it, therefore, I won't vote with that wording. Besides,
    even if I did believe it, I don't feel that wording is fair. You did not tag
    any negativity on the other ones. If I voted on B - I wouldn't be truthful,
    so the vote would be wasted. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62061
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Blacks
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 08:03:03

    Zak is really right. I grew up in L.A. and in the sixties it wasn't a law
    that they had to eat at certainly places for blacks - BUT - most restaurant
    owners didn't want them in their establishments and would refuse to serve
    them 9 out of 10 times. Ditto the bars. Or the patrons themselves would make
    it highly uncomfortable for them to be there. In the deep south, Zak is 100%
    right. Calif. eventually passed a law that you couldn't refuse service to
    anyone. That caused a hugh stink because legally anyone could go in anywhere
    barefooted or in rags and couldn't be refused. I assume they recinded the
    law. The reason you probably didn't see any of that kind of stuff back east
    - they were more sophistacated. In rural states like Wyoming, it went on all
    of the time. My mother in law had a restaurant there in the 60s and she
    refused to serve the few that did pass through. Her patrons simply didn't
    want them there and would get up and leave. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62062
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on smoking
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 08:06:25

    I think you are just on your soap box re: this subject. That's fine. I know
    how you feel and I respect that. But the vote should be free of your bias -
    your opinions. That's all I'm trying to say. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62063
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on the Bible
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 08:09:09

    If the Bible says adultry is wrong - how come so many of His Chosen did just
    that? -- David - Moses - etc. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62064
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: In search of
    Subject: New users
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 18:38:21

    for Gargoyle BBS

    943-4523

    Message: 62065
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 18:54:12

    Re:  "I can't believe that you said that Bob."

    Well, let me clarify that.  If one is a Christian, then of course he would
    have to say adultery is wrong.  But if one is not a Christian, he can
    believe anything he wants, including adultery is ok.

    Message: 62066
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann On Smoking
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 20:25:29

    Cliff isn't on a soap box: you're wearing rose colored glasses (don't you
    just love mixed metaphors?)

    If you're an American citizen, unless you live in the Ozarks and roll your
    own or something, you have no excuse for such appalling ignorance (well,
    more likely willful self-delusion).

    Message: 62067
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann again
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 20:27:21

    What kind of logic is that?  If your whole family played Russian roulette
    and never got shot, would that make it safe?

    Message: 62068
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: My shirt
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 22:00:15

    Yes, I know it seems unlikely.  But I saw the burn-hole, and feel that I can
    generally believe my sister.  Then again, she sometimes does very mindless
    things; maybe she put the cigarette in the pocket to save for later?  Who
    knows.
         I don't think she was burned.  It was probably the point at which the
    fire made its way through the cloth to the skin at which she felt it and had
    a chance to put it out.  In any case, even if she was burned, I wasn't going
    to ask to see.

    Message: 62069
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: "most restaurants"
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 22:03:29

    =Actually, I had the South in mind.  The civil war obviously left its mark
    upon the beliefs of the different parts of the country.
        My grandparents used to travel a lot between Ohio and Florida.  When
    they were in Florida one time, a gas-station attendant (or someone) saw
    their Ohio license plate and asked, "So, are you going to take some of the
    niggers back up north with you?"  I assume this was fairly representative of
    how southerners thought.

    Message: 62070
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: MLK GT
    Date: 11/08/89  Time: 22:11:25

         Okay, here it is:  The official Apollo MLK GT!  All are invited, of
    course.

    TIME:  Thursday, Nov. 16, 8:00 PM.
    PLACE:  Cliff's house (if you don't know where he lives, ask him)
    BRING:  Some sort of snack food?

    The EVENT:  Viewing of the video, "King:  A Filmed Record -- Montgomery to
    Memphis," which will hopefully shed some light on the debate we've been
    having.

    See you there.
    Zak

    Message: 62071
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Smokers...
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 00:05:54

            Because Zak Woodruff left me a nice letter about the ote question
    explaining his opinion, I have dropped the "No matter who it kills" statment
    from answer [B] of the poll.   Don't get me wrong...  Cigarettes do kill,
    and people who smoke them kill the people around them bit by bit along with
    them selves.  I am angry that smokers who are not into science, refuse to
    believe the facts.  (such as Ann)   But some day they may change their minds
    like when my Uncle Bob who swore cigarettes were of no danger...then the
    doctor tells him he collapsed one lung and the other was not going to last.
    What did he say...  "Oh my God, What have I done...."  then he cried.
    He died gasping for air!  I hate them damn $#(#!#& things!

            But like I said... the [V]ote question has been changed!  So please
    answer the poll if you have $tatus!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*   Take a breath of LIFE.... Quit SMOKING!

    Message: 62072
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 00:08:17

            Zak posted it correctly....

    There will be NO SMOKING however... if this offends you.... make other
    plans.

    No Drugs either......  Grrrrrrrrr

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62073
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GTS
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 01:32:00

         The next time a GT is planned for a weekend day/night, I will attend.

    Message: 62074
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop on CIgs
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 03:09:17

    Vintage Cliff:
    Goes headlong stomping into something with guns ablaze without first
    seeing who's in the room.
    Regardless of what each of us does to kill ourselves, wether it be
    by smoking yourself into a smouldering, lungless heap of pity or
    feast ourselves into cardio-vascular doom with fatty foods and salty
    snacks, or if we drink alcoholic beverages until the blood to alcohol
    ratio becomes moot......one thing that so many folks overlook is
    the attitude in which criticism was passed on.
    Vintage Cliff in this context refers to his explicit lack of tact
    and brawling attitude.
    If you insist on criticism of other people's habits, bad, good, indifferent,
    the only thing you will accomplish is showing the person you're a real
    a$$hole and any good intentions are lost due to your personalizing the
    "helpful pleas" into angry, self righteous attacks.
    BUt CLiff, you;ve always been like that as far back as I can remember..
    your voice starts zooming in decibel content and octaves ..and on
    this board, a good idea turns into an axe weilding contest.
    FOr the record; I don't think anyone who smokes really wants to
    hurt anyone else with it....just like someone who has a bad diet and
    doesn't exercise doesn't want to hurt loved ones...and then they die...
    now comes along Cliff bearing the axe branding all smokers with some
    obscene label....do it to everyone....if my smoking doesn't kill me, the
    pollution and or the drivers in this state will.

    Message: 62075
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Smoking
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 04:35:56

      Cheer up.  Cancer cures smoking.

         =========  Pascal  #(O,~)#  Wink!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 62076
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/right & wrong
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 05:24:28

    Answer your own question Ann.
    If the law says that murder is wrong, how come so many people run around
    killing other people?Gacy, Manson, etc.
    Just because people violate laws doesn't change the law. It simple means
    that people are disobedient.

    Message: 62077
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 05:26:49

     Wrong on that count also Bob. THere are laws against adultery on the books
    of every state. Adultery is grounds for divorce in any court in the land.
    WHat justification does anyone, Christian or not, have for saying that
    adultery is OK?

    Message: 62078
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Bob
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 07:32:32

    I think Bob was just trying to express his tolerance towards other people.
    I think I can safely say he doesn't believe in adultry, but he doesn't go
    into a snit about what other's do. Tolerance towards other's is what we all
    could use a little bit of. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62079
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 07:36:43

    Thanks for changing the vote wording. I will now vote. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62080
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/GTs
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 08:39:07

    Unless that weekend night conflicts with a happening at the gallery...

    Message: 62081
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 09:19:09

            Driving is almost mandatory, in the fact it does do something
    useful.  As always, this would be over your head.  Smoking on the other hand
    is to put you into some sort of high... as you can't cope with real life.
    While putting you in this high, it just happens to pollute the fresh (what
    little there is) air around you.  You may think it smells good...but quite
    frankly it stinks and makes every thing you own stink!  The smell does not
    just go away when you put out that dirty butt... but smokers senses are so
    dead, they would not know this.

            I note you have given up smoking in the past, but you are so WEAK,
    you go back to it.  You are addicted and will most likely be a smoker for
    life.... as short as that may be.  I do understand your arrogance about what
    is known about smoking and how it hurts people who don't smoke even more...
    so you can ENJOY a few moments of selfishness.  This is true of MOST
    smokers, till the end comes, then they wonder why they were so STUPID!  I
    have gone though this with people I loved....  My hatred of that poison
    stick still stands and you can tear into me as much as you want... proving
    what an @$$hole you are!

            We have enough pollution, so why add to it? (Mike thinks two wrongs
    make it right)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62082
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 17:09:45

    Re:  "which will hopefully shed some light on the debate we've been
    having"

    Well, I hope so, but I will wait and see.  If there is no mention at all of
    the FBI investigation, the sexual excapades, and the 50 year seal of
    records, I would say the video is probably on the propaganda side of truth.

    Message: 62083
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 17:12:46

    Re:  "your voice starts zooming in decibel content and octaves"

    Now how can you tell that on a BBS?

    Message: 62084
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 17:17:02

    Re:  "WHat justification does anyone, Christian or not, have for saying that
    adultery is OK?"

    Since I personally think it is wrong and do not engage in it, I don't know.
    But it is obvious that millions do engage in it even though it is against
    the law in all 50 states as you say.  So, will the persons on this BBS who
    engage in adultery please identify yourselves and state why you are breaking
    the law.  Paul and I can hardly wait to hear your reasons.

    How's that Paul?

    Message: 62085
    Author: Richard Merryman
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Hard Disk+1000TX
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 21:36:56

      I have a new 30 Meg Seagate hard drive (model ST-4038M) and am
    trying to hook it up to my Tandy 1000TX and need to know what kind
    of controller card I need.  Help!
              Richard

    Message: 62086
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Richard Merryman
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 22:19:21

            The Seagate 30 Meg (model ST-4038) has 5 heads, 615 cylinders...
    I believe Konan Corporation in Tempe make controller cards for that drive to
    work on a Tandy.  Give them a call at (602) 345-1300  or if you are in the
    area, the address is 4720 South Ash Ave.

            I hope that helps!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62087
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak's shirt
    Date: 11/09/89  Time: 23:41:40

    Zak, I probably shouldn't say this, since I don't know your sister -- but in
    any case no insult is intended.

    It just occurs to me that, given that your sister was (apparently) not
    burned, and yet she was wearing a shirt which had a huge burn hole in the
    pocket, that the shirt may not have been worn at the time it was burned.

    No, it doesn't really make any difference anyway.

    Message: 62088
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 00:59:25

    I guess that perhaps Zak should elaborate where the hole in the pocket is.
    I remember him telling me about this a year or so ago.  Perhaps the hole was
    in the outer material, not the inner.

    I've met Zak's sister and she seemed intelligent...

    Message: 62089
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Warsaw Pact
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 03:09:18

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the amount of change that has gone on in
    the Warsaw Pact countries.  In the last three months more change has occured
    than in the previous 30 years.

    Last nights images of East and West Berliners dancing on the wall was quite
    emotional for me.  I guess that there is still some hope.

    Message: 62090
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 05:33:10

    Sounds juicy! Let's see, what could we call it? Peyton Place is copyrighted,
    as is Dallas, John's Other Wife, General Hospital, and all the other
    goodies. How about True Confessions of Apollo Adulterers and Adulteresses?
    Naah. Too long. Oh well, forget it I guess. Those who do live like that
    probably have all their actions fully justified with some brand new, never
    been used reasoning, like "my husband/wife doesn't understand me", or "I
    knew it was wrong, but just couldn't control myself".

    Message: 62091
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: News Today
    Subject: James/last
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 05:38:10

     THese are perhaps the most significant events in the last 40 years in
    Europe, especially in the Communist blok countries.
     As more and more people crave their freedom, the enslaving Communist system
    will crumble. THose who a few years ago were going to crush us will find
    themselves the dust of a sorry history.
     Perhaps the reason the events of the last few days in East Germany haven't
    been mentioned is that they are proceeding so rapidly that it's hard to keep
    up with them. Nothing but good news, hope and promise there!

    Message: 62092
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: So far on Smokeing
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 12:10:37

    Re: The current ote:

            The NONE smokers greatly outnumber the smokers!  I wonder what they
    know that the smokers don't know?   Glad to see it gang!  In the 60's, I am
    sure it would have been the other way around.  I guess that cancer is curing
    the problem... as Steve put it.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  Computers live longer to in homes that are smoke free!

    Message: 62093
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Choices
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 19:59:54

    Where is the " I don't smoke now, but plan to take it up" choice?

    Message: 62094
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak's sister
    Date: 11/10/89  Time: 20:01:14

    If y'all can't figure out how a cigarette could burn a hole through a shirt
    pocket while being worn by a woman and not cause a burn mark, y'all need
    to take a comparative anatomy course.

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