### Apollo BBS Archive - August 12, 1989

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    Message: 5781
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:04:33

    I have it in my grasp right now. It is wonderful - but MUCH to learn! For
    one thing - It skips a line between sentences.  Oh well - my posts will be
    even longer! No macros yet either. -=*) ANN (*=-

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    Message: 5783
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:28:26

            Just turn your computer off ............
    Fewer things can go wrong that way ............

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    Message: 3329
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:52:56

            YANK!

    and I ain't yankin' Cliff's chain either ................

    it's the power cord to your computer, Ann ...............

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    Message: 2411
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: ... from me!
    Date: 08/11/89  Time: 23:35:24

    a mouth almost full of blackened, crooked teeth.  He mumbled something about
    "here to clean up" and "need a towel."  Ann, being the helpful sort ......

    Message: 2412
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:07:43

    .... grabbed a towel quickly and made a rush to give it to the hunk, when
    she slipped on Cliff's gore on the tiled floor. The hunk tried to break her
    fall with his muscular arms, with the veins standing out, but she ......

    Message: 2413
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Short Story
    Subject: Cont ...
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 14:49:13

           ... she was so intent to please the 'pool man' that she quickly flung
    her tiny, lacy towel towards the 'pool man' instead of throwing him the
    towel already in her hands. Ann wrapped the towel meant for the 'pool man'
    around the door knob. Her fall was broken.
            However, ......

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     1:....in walked Whitey and got a good look at the entire scene, fake blood,
     2:nude wife, nude pool man, Cliff with his trousers fallen down to his knees
     3:from the impact.   There was only one thing he could do, he thought.  He...
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    Message: 285
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Next-to-Last
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 03:05:27

      I hope everything came out all right.

              ==========  #(O,~)#  Wink!  ==========

    Message: 286
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Commodore/Amiga
    Subject: next to Next-to-last
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:03:23

    Fall in?

    Trace :)
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    Message: 3328
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: The last ones
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 08:09:29

    Well then, come on over Cliffy baby! (Wink) -=*) ANN (*=-

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    Message: 299
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: So far....
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 12:29:36

            Eleven of the eighteen people who have pledged for the Zagar Gift
    have been accounted for on the financial part of this venture.

            I also have the card back from James Taranto...so it can be signed
    if any of you wish to stop by and do so.  However, if you will attend the GT
    as posted, you may as well wait till then to do so.

            Thanks.....

    (I have a hang-over...  Not from Ann's booze.... but from my allergy pills)

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    Message: 301
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:04:52

    is that the 26th? I can bring the $$$ then, if that is OK....

    Trace

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    Message: 60292
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Heather
    Date: 08/11/89  Time: 23:30:25

    Gee. I missed her by not logging on last night... damn.

    Message: 60293
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chinese Student 1
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:28:00

            >From NRA - CALIFORNIA NEWS     Reprinted with permission.

      Sacramento - The following is an excerpt of a letter received in the
    NRA's Sacramento office.  It was written by a Chinese student living in
    California whose family still resides in Beijing.  From them the writer
    received firsthand reports of the death, destruction and total humiliation
    of the Chinese students in Tiananmen Square.  She heard reports of soldiers
    shooting the wounded in hospitals and rolling over children with tanks.

       She wanted to share her thoughts with all Americans.  But because of the
    oppression and the lack of freedom in her country and because she fears for
    her family's safety, her name and specific references to her family have
    been respectfully withheld.
    ****************************************************************************

    Dear Sir,

      I am a female student from Beijing, China.  I have very nice parents and a
    very happy family.  All of my family are in danger now.

      I call them every day since this China tragedy has happened and they tell
    me all types of horrible stories which they saw their own eyes.  They are
    eyewitnesses and the last word I got from my family is: "don't worry.  If
    they get me, they get me.  No matter what happens.  The history and the

    Message: 60294
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chinese Student 2
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:32:11

    people will approve that I am right.  Tell the American people never to lose
    their guns.  As long as they keep their guns in their hands, whatever
    happened here will never happen there."

      So many Chinese people got killed or murdered just like ants, because they
    didn't have guns to fight back or even protect themselves.  It really makes
    me teary.  We have no reason to ignore that.  I think it's a good example
    for the American people.  I think Chinese people's blood and death should
    wake up American people.  Don't be so naive.

      You can never ban all crimes by banning the guns.  The Chinese Government
    took away all the guns from the people since 1949. Guns were totally banned.

      Since I was a small girl, I was told to love my country, to love Communist
    Party, to love the people's army, which I did.  Chinese people trust their
    Government, but now the Government is the most terrible criminal in the
    world, since the Government made the people turn in their guns in 1949.

       They have already totally destroyed my last respect and dream.  Now I'm
    watching the American people as they are going to lose their rights of
    freedom.  It really makes my heart broken.  I love America and American
    people.

       I don't want to see the same thing happen here.  The people losing their

    Message: 60295
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chinese Student 3
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:35:13

    guns means they lose the right to protect themselves.  Chinese former
    leader, Chairman Mao said: "the power and right comes from the barrel of
    guns, who will be the winner, who lose guns, will lose everything."

      I learned this from my people's blood and death.  Even if all the guns
    were banned, you can't ban the criminal's.  They still have guns.  It's even
    better for them.  The military, police have guns.  Who can be sure they will
    never turn their guns to their people?  As long as criminals, police and
    military are there, the people should never give away their guns.

      The other heart breaking thing is before I thought it's free press here,
    but actually I found out, there is no free press here either, just like
    China, I've had a lot of interviews, T.V., radio and newspaper, but they
    only print what they want.  As soon as I mention about guns, they cut it off
    immediately, just like the Chinese government did.  They only print their
    own opinion and stop all other voice.  It supposed to be equal reporting,
    not one voice only.

      The American government is very good now, but nobody can guarantee it will
    be the same in the future.  The American forefathers foresaw this and that
    is why you have the second amendment in the Constitution.  American people,
    please take heed before it's too late and irreversible.

    NAME WITHHELD BY REQUEST

    Message: 60296
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 00:40:49

    What I was getting at was your comment that the U.S. and Israel are somehow
    to blame for the terrorists' actions.  That attitude is the same attitude
    that blames 'society' for a criminal's activity.  Although there may exist
    certain 'extenuating' circumstances, the responsibility for their actions
    lie ultimately with the terrorist or the criminal.

    Your statement sounded just like that of any other terrorist apologist.

    Michael Kielsky

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    Message: 60298
    Author: Phil Farmer
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: stuff
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 01:39:58

    I doubt below ground nuclear testing would have any effect on the ozone
    layer, but who knows?

    So, does Jodi Watley look great in hip-huggers, or what?

    I recently received a free copy of "World Monitor".  For those who are
    interested, it's not a bad rag.

    I think that K.D. Lang and "Phranc" should be forced to mud wrestle in the
    nude.  K.D. Lang, for those who don't know, is a female country music singer
    who bears a superficial resemblance to Peter Petrisko.  "Phranc" is a female
    folk-singer, and is even more butch than Lang, if that is possible.

    Why is it that Burmese Buddhas always look like transvestites?

    People who log on Saturdays, it seems, also have little to say.

    Message: 60299
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Spaz
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 05:35:16

    I've been told by one of your peers that you are "way intellectual." Did you
    ever hear such a thoughtful remark?

    Message: 60300
    Author: Neon Knight
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Hi!
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 07:37:07

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    Message: 60301
    Author: Thomas Hart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hi!
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 09:54:01

    How is everyone?

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    Message: 60304
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 13:45:06

    A while back I remember hearing a discussion concerning the U.S. military
    and the military of the smaller eastern countries such as Iran and others in
    the area.

    The U.S. can fly over in a billion dollar plane and wipe out a large area
    while the smaller countries can only respond with acts of specific
    terrorism.  It was described like an ant attacking a elephant.  What
    recourse to the indescretions of the U.S. does a small country have?  I
    guess the answer would be 'acts of terrorism.  Neither you or I really knows
    what is happening in the world.  Coverups abound and until all major parties
    are dead the information will not be released to the general public, of
    which you and I are a part.

    I think that each country should find a ten year old boy or girl who has
    been reared in a home where love exists.  They should then be placed in the
    highest position of that country.  Then a world summit should be held and
    peace talks started.  I'd say that in about ten minutes or less our fragile
    little world would be at peace.

    Our leaders are hard of heart, greedy for personal wealth, and are subject
    to the pressures of others in high positions.

    I say, either make peace and get on with some quality, fun living or explode
    all existing nuclear bombs all over the world in order to end this tragedy.

    Message: 60303
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky/letter
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 13:34:16

            Well, the letter you reprinted from the Chinese person was
    interesting.  It is obvious that it did not come from the CIA.  Sounds
    genuine to me although a NRA radical could have written it.  Either way, I
    agree with its content.

    Message: 60305
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 18:33:45

    RE:  That letter from the Chinese student.  I cannot verify the veracity of
    its source, but it seems to me that the CIA or other U.S. government agency
    would be an unlikely source.  It would be kinda silly trying to stir up
    people about the iminent loss of their civil rights, all the while
    continuing on that same path.

    RE:  Terrorism/World Affairs.  You are not really as naive as your message
    would have us believe.  Merely ignoring the FACT that there are individuals
    with some power, who hate our guts, and can justify that hatred with some
    claim that we are responsible for their ills, changes nothing.
       It boils down to this.  They say that they have legitimate claims, and
    drive home that claim by the TERRORIZING of the general public.  You must
    admit that these tactics only work against relatively free and open
    societies, where other methods of settling your claims have a successful
    history. Terrorist acts are relatively useless in closed societies, as news
    media is controlled, and police power reigns supreme.  Therefore, I can
    conclude, that either the terrorist stated goals are not based in legitimate
    claims, or their stated goals are merely a facade to conceil their true
    goals, the destabilization of an otherwise open and free society.
       For an example, just look at the U.S.  So far, in the name of "Fighting
    the War on Drugs", Bennett has managed to diminish the Second Amendment, and
    is pushing for a suspension of the privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
    Thus, in the name of fighting a threat comparable to internal terrorism, our
    rights are slowly being eliminated.  Its any totalitarian's dream-come-true.

    Message: 60306
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:56:55

          Loyalty is a funny thing.  For instance, a person born in the
    U.S. has a loyalty for their country just as a person has a loyalty for
    the school they attended or the city and state they live in.  To most
    people other schools or states, etc. are somehow inferior.  They are
    proud to be where they are as they believe within themselves that they
    were dealt the best hand.

          People who are born in Iran or Israel are taught the same
    loyalty from birth.  They are made to feel proud to be where they are.
    Their newscasts and the printed word see to it that they are
    continually reminded that above all, they are Iranians or whatever they
    happen to be.  All other places on the globe, they are assured, are
    just not quite as good or as lucky.

          The little Iranian, Shiite Muslim, boy or girl believe, as they
    are taught, that America as well as all other places are sub-standard.
    They feel the pride of loyalty just as little American boys and girls
    do.  It is the same substance.  When an act of aggression is made
    against 'their' homeland, the press' job is to see to it that all
    citizens take the side of the government, truth be damned.  And the
    people believe it, or course.
    next

    Message: 60307
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 19:57:34

          Can you just imagine what it would be like if a government
    admitted it had made an illegal act of aggression for self profit?  The
    people and the soldiers would rebel.  The military fighting man is the
    most brain-washed of all people and understandable so.

          My only loyalty, if you can call it that, is to the Universe,
    to the Planet Earth, to my family and myself.  I want to live on a good
    running world, a place that is fun for everyone.  We aren't even close
    to that goal.  This just proves to me that those who pride themselves
    on thinking they are the most intelligent species, aren't really
    intelligent at all.  Sure, we are smart and cunning and we can build
    big buildings and big bombs.  We know how to control the lives of
    others while living high on the hog, so to speak, ourselves.  But where
    it really matters we are lacking.  Our cities are overburdened with
    mayhem of all sorts.  Our prisons are severely overcrowded and our own
    government lies to its people in order to change opinion.  I'm sure it
    happens, at this time in our human development, in all other lands as
    well.  -Rod

    Message: 60308
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 08/12/89  Time: 20:07:37

            Your message was good but in your last paragraph you proved my
    point.  Our self-serving, Government of the Government, by the Government
    and for the Governemnt, One Nation Under Rule will take away our rights just
    as we accuse others of.   The war on drugs is a good example in that many a
    government person uses, on a regular basis, illegal drugs.
            Besides, those in Holland have more rights than we do and they are
    becoming more progressive.  It would seem that the U.S. is going in a
    retro-grade motion concerning individual rights.
            What is the solution?  I suspose it is in politics and that is why I
    will support the Liberatrian Party.  Sure, they could be pulling a con-job
    on us but I have no other choices short of all out, violent revolution.
    Although I imagine that if people were to get together again like in the
    late sixties and make large marches on government that something would
    change for the better.  It may even be fun.  Our politicians own us, so to
    speak and it seems that they do what they damn well please.

            We are not only economically bankrupt but morally kaput as well.  We
    need the ideas of the Libertarians to gain a large enough entry into
    government in order to make some changes.  I am damn tired of the same,
    same, same, year after year.  -Rod