### Apollo BBS Archive - June 2, 1989

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5572
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: It
    Date: 06/01/89  Time: 23:34:34

      Ok, the date and time are set and I am posting a map on the main board. It
    will be at 6pm Saturday. If Rod can make it I am sure we won't need any
    further departure from reality to provide us with recreation. I consider
    alchohol a recreational drug, and that will be allowed, but I am not willing
    to risk arrest to stand up for someone else's right to do illegal drugs at
    my house. Call me a coward, a henpecked husband, or whatever. I think the
    point is really moot with this group anyway, since none of us are
    really into drugs (right?).
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 5573
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David B.
    Date: 06/01/89  Time: 23:35:39

      Too bad. See you next time.
         Dean H.

    Message: 5574
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:19:47

    I'll make it.

    As far as drugs for Rod go, just give him some hamburger.

    Message: 5575
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Me
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 08:25:23

            I think I can make it.  Shall I bring my hat?

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 5576
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean/GT
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:23:22

    I'm reeally going to try to make it. My husband has been out of town and is
    due back on Sat. He should be home well before the GT starts and in that
    case, I will be there. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5577
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 10:02:03

    Wish I could attend.  I will be in LA this weekend.

    Message: 5578
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Alan H./Hat
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 10:40:18

      Yes, that is a good idea. If it gets too crowded we can put the people
    with hats outside or on the roof.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 5579
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: B.O.B.
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 11:52:40

            I won't bring Drugs of any kind....but can we 'Bring Own Bombs' and
    Guns?   Say something along the line of Assault (highly used word today)
    pistols and other such weapons?  All for self protection of course....
    And I won't go anywhere without my Black Delrin (tm) Assault Kubaton!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 5580
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: CLIFF
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 16:02:09

      If you want to bring guns for show and tell thats ok with me. If you can
    dig up an HK91 I might even buy it from you.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 5581
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Okay
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 03:07:40

            If I can make it I will load myself up on drugs beforehand.  Does
    anyone know where I can get some hamburger with loads of fat.  It's a damn
    good high, you know.
            I do have to do some pre-wedding shopping beforehand.  I need to get
    a new pair or tennis shoes.  I wouldn't want to walk my daughter 'down the
    aisle' with old sneakers on, would I?

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2299
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ideas
    Date: 06/01/89  Time: 23:40:39

      Maybe we should have another contest and ease the rules a little to
    encourage wider participation. We could have one requiring only ONE Apollo
    character, no length limit, and only two stipulations regarding content. The
    first could be that it would have to be done in the Romantic style (meaning
    not a romance story, but a story in which the world is seen as the author
    thinks it should be rather than as it is) and the second stipulation could
    be that the story must qualify as hard-core pornography.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 2300
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Movies
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:21:21

    It might have been I who suggested the Munchhausen movie... did your kids
    like it?

    Message: 2301
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/story
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:37:44

    Sounds good to me.  Perhaps it should involve TWO characters from Apollo.
    That would make the last requirement a lot more interesting.

    Message: 2302
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Munchousen
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 08:27:45

            I saw it, and liked it.  One of the best parts was seeing Sting get
    the axe in the first reel.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 2303
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy/movie
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:26:22

    I didn't recommend it - but do recommend 'Punkinhead' at the local video
    rental and 'The Kiss' - both horror of course! Punkinhead has a GREAT
    monster in it. -=*) ANN (*=-

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3133
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: bad male words
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:23:35

    As far as I'm concerned "Jock" is almost an equivalent for "bitch"

    Message: 3134
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/words
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:28:57

    My youngest daughter once refered to a guy she knew that thought he was
    God's gift to women ....... as 'Pencil Person!" -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3135
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 15:46:14

    He couldn't have been God's gift to women -- I am.

    Message: 3136
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 03:10:30

            Well, I'm Satan's gift to woman.  And everyone knows that when it
    comes to sex, God only has one position.

    Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1650
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 05/30/89  Time: 02:40:26

    What dorks.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 58990
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Holland?
    Date: 06/01/89  Time: 22:13:27

            If I thought this country would be like Holland if a Libertarian
    President took over... I would be first in line to assaassinate the jerk.
    Better yet, I will keep things in line by being a Republican.
            Holland indeed.... if ya like it so much...go there!  No wonder the
    Libertarians remain obscure, they are to radical and I can't live with that.

        We need a party that supports the idea that every man is responsible for
    himself and his actions.  We need a government that would stop passing laws
    trying to prevent people from doing stupid things to themselves.  People in
    government should stop setting moral values for us citizens when they can't
    even live up to them.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 58991
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Print This!
    Date: 06/01/89  Time: 23:44:49

      APOLLO GT               Xth St  Xth St              Xxxx Xxxxx Rd
     Saturday 6pm               ||     ||         XXth St        ||
     June 3, 1989               ||     ||           ||           ||
                                ||     ||========================||<-Xxxx
     Dean and Bonnie's          ||     ||           ||           ||
     XXXX E. Xxxxxxx Xx Rd      ||     ||============|<-Xxxxxxx  ||
     Phoenix XXX-XXXX           ||     ||  X        ||  XX Rd    ||
                                ||     ||           |============||<-Xxxxxx
                                ||     ||           ||           ||  Xx Rd
                                ||     ||                       //
                                ||     ||                      //
                                ||     ||         /============/
                                ||     ||        //
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                                ||  //
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    ======================================================= XXXXX
                                ||

      See You There,
        Dean H.

    [Ed: This informaion censored by Dean's Request... for obvious reasons...]

    Message: 58992
    Author: Robert Mulligan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beauty contest
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 00:34:04

    Brains over beauty, why not go for both? A man who is skinny can always work
    out. A man who is overweight can lose. The same for women. And if the person
    is intelligent, they will all they can to be the best person, both
    physically and mentally. Intelligence is no excuse for letting yourself go,
    or not doing what you can.

    Message: 58993
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: English Language
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:17:06

    Cliff, the amendment (supposedly) affected all governments in Arizona,
    excluding tribal and federal.  That is, city, county, town as well as the
    state government itself.

    Message: 58994
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 01:42:30

    So if a president is elected that you don't like, you'll just go out and
    kill him/her?  That's not a very considerate stance.  By the way, were you
    in Sweden two years ago?

    Message: 58995
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:06:02

    You say 'Bush' is our president? Well glory be! They really made the Bush
    that Peter stole President? It must have died though - just haven't seen it
    around lately and I do smell a stink! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58996
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/#58989
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:08:48

    Re: telling other's about the Libertarian party - most people unfortunately,
    don't want to hear it and the rest look at you strange like your some kind
    of radical commie or something! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58997
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/libertarians
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 09:18:12

    You said .... "We need a party that supports the idea that every man is
    responsible for himself and his actions!" You said ... "We need a government
    that would stop passing laws trying to prevent people from doing stupid
    things to themselves!" You said ... "People in government should stop
    setting moral values for us citizens when they can't even live up to them!"
    Those mottos are exactly what the Libertarian party does stand for.
    ESPECIALLY the first one! Forget Holland! We're America! Just because a Lib.
    would get into office doesn't mean we can't vote him out just like we've
    always done. Dean has some good books on the subject. Why not get one from
    him? I know how you and Sandy feel about our gov. now and never understood
    you being so against the Libs. Just remember that the number one sentence of
    the above is basically what the party is all about and you gotta like that!
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58998
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/Libertarians
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 10:29:51

            Ann, You don't understand what I am against....  Well, for one
    thing, the Libertarians want to OPEN up our borders for ANYONE that just
    wants to come in.  I don't buy this idea at all!  There are not enough jobs
    to employ the population we have now, so why let in more lazy, criminal,
    sick, deranged people just looking for handouts.  An open border to ANYONE
    would do this.  And this is just one of my gripes about the Libertarians and
    it alone makes me want to not become or support any Libertarian.

    Cliff

    Message: 58999
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/Last
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 10:49:14

      Wouldn't it make a great deal more sense to join a party you agree with on
    90% of the issues and work toward making others see your point on the other
    10% than to remain in a party with which you disagree on 90% of the issues
    and have not a chance in hell of making a difference?
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 59000
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean/Last
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 11:45:25

            But I do Dean... I agree with more than 90% of the issues of the
    Republican party.... However, they don't seem to adhere to them very well,
    but then with a Democratic Congress, it may not be their fault.  If every
    thing went according to the planks of the party, 90% of things would be
    fine.
            However..... and that is a big however... if I could talk to a
    Libertarian about the issues I don't like and get something back besides
    double talk, I might switch some day.  A lot of GRAND ideas without the
    means of obtaining them, mean little to nothing to me.

            Parties that promise everything, generaly give nothing and take
    everything, as in The Comunist Party, The Socialist (Nazi) Party, etc.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59001
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: 59,000 Pub Posts
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 12:42:13

            I just noticed there have been 59,000 posts on the PUBlic board.
    WOW! Apollo's b-day will be comming up soon...  For info on this date, see
    the cmd in the ain menu.
            QUESTION: Do any users want a big B-Day GT party?  Maybe this year
    we can talk Sandy into making the cake.  Last years was too sweet!
    I know, I will volenteer Ann to bake the cake and that will keep me out of
    trouble.

            J.T. will have to fly in for this one...and bring Frank Lopinto with
    him.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59002
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 15:42:42

    If you take up a collection and raise enough money to fly me to Phoenix, I
    will attend.

    Message: 59003
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/immigration
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 15:44:38

    Before people started immigrating to the United States, there were no jobs
    here at all.  Closing the borders does not help our economy to flourish; it
    causes it to stagnate.

    Message: 59004
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 16:28:23

       Those positions of the Republican Party which you agree with don't mean a
    thing if the Party does not believe in them and intend to do something about
    them. In fact, the RepubliCrats on both sides of the imaginary dividing line
    believe in nothing but perpetuating themselves in office. They will promise
    all sorts of things to get into office, and often hold up the other side as
    the enemy to be vanquished, but once the election is over it is business as
    usual and they all work the same way and for the same goal.
       The thing to remember about our glorious leadership is that image is
    everything and promises mean nothing. Remember how George Bush valiently
    defended the rights of Americans to own semi-automatic weapons for any
    peaceful purpose one day and then turned right around and banned their
    importation the next? It was a good image to say that in the first place,
    but faced with the need for a tough 'drug crusading' image , that stand went
    right out the window. I would rather work through a party which is committed
    to liberty and has an agenda founded on straight forward principles than one
    committed only to imagery and tenure in office.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 59005
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Immigration
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 16:37:27

            JT, I did not say anything about CLOSING the borders.  I said I am
    against opening them to ALL and ANYONE that want into this country.  I do
    not want rejects, sicko's, and criminal type immigrants.  The Libertarians
    feel we should let ANYONE in!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59006
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean/last
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 16:54:23

            Are you saying that Libertarians are immune to all human fallacies,
    and they won't look after themselves first once in office?  What planet are
    they from?

            I am for the individual liberty part....  Like I said, I would
    consider the Libertarian party if I understood how they plan do do all this
    with out having us taken over by another country during all the confusion.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59007
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 18:09:20

    Republicans and Democrats are only interested in perpetuating themselves in
    office.  Libertarians are not even interested in winning office.  All three
    parties are getting exactly what they want.  So what's the problem?

    Message: 59008
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: James Taranto?
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 18:33:07

            How would you propose to make a major change in the political
    system?   You seem to know all the answers, so how about sharing a few of
    them with us. How would you insure that when a candidate runs for office and
    makes promises to his constituents, that he keeps them once elected.  It
    seems very difficult to have one impeached once in office.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59009
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Politiks
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 19:08:39

       I'm personally not impressed with Mofford or Mecham. We need a real
    Governor in this state, not two of the Three Stooges.

    Message: 59010
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Politiks Two
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 19:14:26

    We need a party that will stop passing laws to prevent people from doing
    stupid things to themselves? Like forcibly removing babies from their wombs?
    Trashing their minds with narcotics? I think we need to draw a line
    somewhere. Drug abuse affects not only the abuser, but the family, wife, and
    children of the abuser (in most cases), abortion hurts the baby, etc. I know
    you do not support abortion, but it is a woman's decision that affects
    herself. We can't just give a nod of approval to the legalization of all
    "victimless" crimes. If I suspected for one moment that was your wish, I'd
    direct you to the Democrats! (Heh heh, just kidding!)

    Message: 59011
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 22:00:15

       You seem to be saying that you are afraid to vote Libertarian because
    they might get into office and take on some of the vices of RepubliCrats.
    If you had evidence to support this, it might be a reason not to vote for
    anyone, but it is certainly not a reason to continue voting RepubliCrat.
    Furthermore, since Libertarians have not established any such record of
    losing faith after winning office, you are only projecting the evils of
    others onto them. It is not their infallibility as human beings which can
    be expected to moderate their behavior, it is their philosophy and goals.
    The other parties are full of people who have spent their lives feeding at
    the public trough, while Libertarians tend to be people who earn their own
    living and only enter politics out of a desperate need to try to do
    something about the encroachment of the state into their lives.
       If you were a power-happy office seeker would you commit yourself to a
    fledgling third party with a platform of dismantling as much of the
    state's size and power as possible, or would you join the ranks of the
    RepubliCrats and help them forge ahead with the expansion of government?
       You make politicians accountable for their actions the same way you do
    any other management, by competition. If the RepubliCrats weren't getting
    the 97% (or whatever it is) retention rate they enjoy, they would be a lot
    more responsive. Elect a few Libertarians and even the remaining
    RepubliCrats will end up doing a better job as a result.

    Message: 59012
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 22:01:07

       Realistically, if Libertarians were to become a major power in U.S.
    politics it would have to be a gradual process taking place from the
    local level on up. It would start with the party taking the lead on local
    issues, such as they did by opposing and exposing ValTrans from the very
    beginning when it was touted by everyone else as a done deal. It would
    depend on the election of local Libertarians to local offices and build
    on their success in applying limited government.
       The point is, it would not be a sudden sweep to power on a national
    level which would create chaos and leave the country open to foreign
    invasion. The real test of Libertarian politics at this time is how it
    deals with local issues. If the time ever comes when Libertarians are
    deciding what to do with the borders it will be after they have earned
    that responsibility by dealing effectively with all the challenges of
    city, county, state, and congressional office along the way. If they
    still want to open the borders then and can get the necessary support
    from the people, we will find out if they were right.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 59013
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 23:38:09

            What did Mecham do... be specific!  He was the ONLY Governor trying
    to CUT taxes... He said the State should not go into all these projects
    unless we HAD the money up front.  Mofford want more taxes and more
    spending.  Mecham did not do as the Phoenix 40 wanted so he was black
    balled, and you the public ate it up!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59014
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Stupid things?
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 23:48:08

            Daryl, do you think the drug laws stop the people who want drugs?
    If you do, pull you head out of the sand.  The only thing the drug laws do,
    is make it impossible for people hooked on drugs to ask for help with out
    the fear they may be arrested.
            What money should be spent on is sound and truthful education about
    drugs.  This would would be funded by tax money collected from cleaner and
    safer drugs.  Passing a law does not fix the problem.... you must be a
    Democrat hu?
            If drugs were legalized, I still would not touch them.

    I stand on the fact you can't pass laws to stop people from doing stupid
    things to themselves.  You can try to educate.....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59015
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 23:52:17

            I am a Republican... I do not call the Libitarians names and resent
    being called a "RepubliCrat", since my views are far from that of the
    Democrats.   This brings up another point... Do Libitarians use namecalling?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59016
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: ValTrans
    Date: 06/02/89  Time: 23:54:26

            If you recall, I was against 'ValTrans' from day one and let my
    Republican Reps know it.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59017
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drugs
    Date: 06/03/89  Time: 03:21:48

            If drugs were legalized I would smoke an occasional joint.
    But I would never touch alcohol.

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