### Apollo BBS Archive - April 26, 1988

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    Message: 3417
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/25/88  Time: 22:19:16

    No, Lippard is not Ed Sharpe.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 3418
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 05:37:53

    Certified mail is used when the sender wants assurance of
    delivery by means of a receipt. Such things as non-negotiable papers, duns,
    etc. are sent certified.
     Registered mail is far more expensive, and is used to send items of
    intrinsic value, such as negotiable securities, large amounts of cash, etc.,
    where the important factor is security of the mail as opposed to speed of
    delivery. Transit of such mail is somewhat delayed, since the piece must be
    hand delivered and signed for by each postal employee who handles it in any
    way, until it is delivered to the addressee, who also must sign for it,
    after properly identifying himself.
    Have a good day, and thanks for asking a non-combative question!

    Message: 3419
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Last....
    Subject: Thanx
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 07:08:00

      Okay, that explains it.  I knew that registerd was a lot more expensive,
    but I didn't know what you got for the extra $$.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 3420
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Re: Phones
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 07:17:18

      Someone commented some time back that AT&T is, generaly, the only l/d
    provider serving many remote areas.  You could dial into these areas using
    Sprint or MCI, but these calls are transfered to AT&T lines, and this
    service is one way.
      I did a little checking.  It is true that other long distance companies
    buy service from AT&T to reach some areas.  It is also true that many of
    these remote systems do not provide equal access -- when you dial '1' you
    reach AT&T exclusively.  It is NOT true that other l/d companies can't be
    used from these areas.  It isn't as convienient as dialing '1' but you can
    still do it the same way that it was done before equal access, by dialing an
    access number then your billing number then the number you are calling.  Yes
    it's a pain, but with an autodialing phone it's not so bad.  The access
    number is not always a toll number.  For example, US Sprint's access number
    is an 800 number, which can be reached from any phone in the US.  Some parts
    of the call go over AT&T lines (again, paid for by the other l/d company)
    but they still go through.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 3421
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 18:28:46

    Moreover, if the USPS monopoly was removed, private companies could still
    contract with the USPS for rural delivery, if they so desired.  I'm not sure
    they would.

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    Message: 621
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 07:18:15

      Finaly you've said something I agree with.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 622
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 14:27:41

    So, I guess this is the end of the elf hat discussion.  Right?

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     1:        I have a good 'elf hat' generator for my ST.
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    Message: 1263
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: points
    Date: 04/25/88  Time: 21:24:42

    Actually, points are kind of like infinity.  With the microscope, the point
    of a pencil is flat.  The point of a needle is flat.  There never really is
    a true point, is there?

    Message: 1264
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/25/88  Time: 21:43:13

    So, what's your point?

    Message: 1265
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Todd/point
    Date: 04/25/88  Time: 21:49:14

            Are you saying that Ann's points that she is trying to get everyone
    to notice are flat?

    Message: 1266
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: points, what else?
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 05:53:48

     With all the points being made and missed, this is turning into a very dull
    board.
    Todd, quit trying to snow us! You never got a point in your life! Get the
    point?

    Message: 1267
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Lloyd/point
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 08:32:02

    I didn't have my glasses on, so I missed your point. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1268
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 08:35:15

    Sandy has NO POINTS at all! If she does, they are microscopic! You've seen
    my drawings of her no doubt. Now, me, I have gigantic points that I am
    always thrusting at someone. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1269
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/last
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 08:36:09

    You'd better watch it kiddo! I'll start 'uploading' again! Hahahaha
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1270
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 14:28:20

    And Sandy will keep editing...

    Message: 1272
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Ann/points
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 17:16:17

        I detect that you are trying to determine who has the biggest points.
    Well, the size of the point that you want people to notice means nothing if
    you cannot get that point across for them to see.

        Now, as for me, I do not use the thunder BUSTer routine that you use.  I
    feel that to effectively get ones point(s) across one must use slow, rigid
    determination. Reveal them in a deliberate fashion while maintaining a
    leisure atmosphere. Make sure that the first point you reveal is noticed and
    understood.  Revealing the second point should be handled  with as much
    determination and attention as your first point.  Make sure the party you
    want to get your points noticed to is attentive and aware of the wonders of
    the points that were uncovered. Provide your listener with every opportunity
    and convenience to grasp and hold on to the points you have just unveiled.
    Remember, also, to monitor the pressure you use on your listener to get your
    point(s) across.  You do not want to find yourself endangering the stamina
    of your listener or destroying his capacity to reveal his point on cue.

         There lies the answer to an effective 'point - counter-point' form of
    communication: Method and Timing.

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     1:        Marilyn Monroe had some rather nice points.

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    Message: 349
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: LAst
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 01:10:40

    You're right.  There is just too much discussion, and not any action.
    I'll just launch to rocket myself, and we can have a GT, and I'll show you
    the tape.  Fair enough?

    But seriously...  The rocket engine should be here this week, and the date
    WILL be finalized this week.  Satisfactory?

    Message: 350
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Date
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 13:19:05

            I can probably make any weekend from May 15th to the end of June
    with a probability level of 90%.

            Again, I would not be mad or upset if it is launched without me.
    SO you guys do what is best for Nick....

    Cliff

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     1:        JT will be coming into town in the near future, I think he would
     2:like to see the rocket launch.  I don't know the exact date.
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    Message: 51934
    Author: Lance Allen
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 04/25/88  Time: 21:14:54

     Hello peoples,

       After you get done here call the BBS (formally FOX) at 846-2002
     300/1200/2400 baud, 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. 1 of the Best
     reduced instruction-set computing bbs in the Valley !

       Then when you get done there try the Exchange bbs;same as above but
     the hours are from 7 p.m. till midnight. The number is 848-9902 K?

       Thank you for your time (Cliff) hahah....
       LDA >

    Message: 51935
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/Moonstruck
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 08:20:34

    Was there a specific reason you wanted me to see that movie? OR was it just
    a good movie that you recommend? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51936
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lawerance
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 08:26:31

    Interesting, but just an old theory with a new twist! I hardly think that
    the people that lived 3000 years ago had no minds. Egypt at that time was a
    flourishing nation and I doubt they could have accomplished what they did
    without thinking. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51937
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lawrence Wilson
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 09:10:32

    I don't think it was people thousands of years ago who were "unconscious" -
    your posts bear those traits quite clearly.
    James>>>

    Message: 51938
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 51936
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 10:31:14

    Jaynes (not Jannes) never said that people 3000 years ago had no minds or
    didn't think--quite the opposite.  What he does argue is that they were not
    conscious.  The first part of his book is crucial to his argument (and I
    think his arguments in this part are more solid than the speculations which
    follow); in this section he defines "consciousness" and "thinking" and shows
    that consciousness is unnecessary to most of the things we call "thinking".
    I think he's quite right on these points, and subsequent research has
    supported him.  (A very easy-to-read illustration may be found in Marvin
    Minsky's recent book _The Society of Mind_.)

    Message: 51939
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Moonstruck
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 15:45:50

    I don't remember recommending that you see this movie.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 51940
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Consciousness
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 16:24:41

    So what's the deal with this consciousness business anyway?

    And what makes anyone think that people now-adays are any more conscious
    than they were 3000 years ago?

    Michael Kielsky
    Message: 51941
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reality Club
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 17:39:30

      Let us indulge the human mind's penchant for categorical
    choices and forcast the future of humanity.  Either there
    will be a catastrophic nuclear war that destroys our
    technologies, or our technologies will control themselves
    and machines will begin reproducing in outer space.  If the
    former occurs, people will vanish from the biosphere, global
    ecology will shift, and the biosphere will evolve in curious
    directions.  It will not be a victory for humanity.
    However, if we survive our nuclear threat and become a
    multiplanet civilization, reproducing in outer space, this
    too will not necessarily be a victory for humanity.  It will
    be a victory for the biosphere, for the nexus of life,
    inclusive of machines.
      The great ape *Homo* in his present state is a singularly
    technological creature.  In truth, a human being may be
    thought of as an obligate technobe, a weak body entirely
    dependent on rapid harvesting of agricultural grasses, on
    milking, slaughtering, and packaging domesticated
    artiodactyls; on extraction of organic compounds, remnants
    of vast communities of photosynthesizers as fossil fuel oil
    from deep wells; on electromagnetic communication
    satellites, on automobiles, and airplanes; in short, on
    machines.
      If there is a central insight to evolution it is that
    patterns of living organization are transitory.  A similar
    insight exists in the great Eastern religions.  The doctrine
    of reincarnation teaches that there is a never-ending cycle
    of life and rebirth.  Buddhism teaches that Nirvana is the
    blissful release from such a cycle.  Human beings present no
    exception to the law of change.  The acceleration of
    technology since the horse-and-buggy days predating World
    War I to the development of a global technology after World
    War II attests less to the glory of God than to the amoral
    demiurge that is the evolving biosphere.  *Australopithecus
    robustus*, *Homo erectus*, *Homo sapiens*, food gathering
    bands, hunting troops, and village life are all fleeting
    apparitions on the great stage of evolution.  So are Tokyo
    and New York.  Agricultural apes and cities represent stages
    in the development of the biosphere, which is becoming
    depleted in life and suffused with technology.

    Message: 51943
    Author: $ Will Brown
    Category: For sale
    Subject: PHOTO GEAR
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 20:29:41

    MAMIYA RB67 lens, 127mm 3.8 Mamiya Sekor, Shutterbug Exc +, glass is
    perfect, $295.                                     602-993-9016     Will.

    Message: 51945
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky/conscious
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 22:11:20

            Sorry, but I left my post then I saw yours.  I guess we agreed.

    Message: 51944
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jaynes/minds
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 22:10:03

            I believe the minds of today are not yet fully conscious.  One look
    at our world should tell you that.  But of course you would have to be
    reasonably conscious to know.
            Oh well!
                                    Rod

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     1:        I don't want to leave to my children or my friends a worse world
     2:than when I entered it.
     3:                                Rod
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