### Apollo BBS Archive - July 22, 1990

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    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 17:54:14

    [A]bort, [N]ew only, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

    OK, the southside is yours.  But someday, I may ask a favor of you.

    Philosophy: a route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing.

    Ciao.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:The favor is yours although I realize that you may never "call it in" but if
     2:you do I will expect it.
     3:
     4:Philosophy:  All men are brothers, even though religion teaches different.
     5:end

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    Message: 6629
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Last....
    Subject: akoy
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:19:06

    Life is a blur of meat and Republicans.

    Message: 6630
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last Few...
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:22:07

    "Life is a bowl of cold menudo."

                            - Redd Foxx

    Message: 6631
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Last....
    Subject: akyo
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:40:25

    I am topologically equivalent to a hampster.

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    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
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    Subject: akyo
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:26:09

    I think Jeff has been reading too much Bill Griffith...

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     1:It's a good thing that you didn't say, "Gerbil".
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    Message: 6634
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: last few
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 19:40:21

    No, No No.
    Now he's gonna go running around with purple shoe polish smeared in
    sequin patterns with dirty socks stuffed in his mouth and
    red hair dye while uttering trans-linear regressive alogrithms
    for computing statistical indexes relating to gerbil sales.

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     1:Gerbils for sale, only slightly used.  These fine critters have been trained
     2:to run mazes.
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    Message: 1380
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Shut Up Already!
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:39:31

    APS is smiling at my electric meter.

    Message: 1381
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sun
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:26:39

    I know what you mean.  I have been living in a trailer in Tempe which only
    has a swamp cooler.  Even though I have only been sleeping there (it's
    completely intolerable at all other times except the dead of night) it has
    now become completely intolerable.  The heat is bad enough, but the humidity
    inside the trailer (due to the cooler) is actually higher than outside.  It
    is like sleeping in the tropics, and I now understand why living in the
    tropics can be so fatiguing to anyone not adjusted to it.

    Message: 1382
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Escaping
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:13:24

    Just teasing!  Actually, the plans fell threw at the last minute (like two
    minutes ago).
    But wasn't that a great storm last night?!  I went dancing in the rain for a
    while but came in before it started to pelt hail.
    Anyone have any house or tree damage?  The lady across the street
    volunteered that their tree fell threw their back fence and knocked over a
    power line.

    Message: 1383
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Melissa/last
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:42:57

    We had a huge branch fall off our Eucaliptus tree in last nights storm. It
    was big enough to have knocked someone out or killed them if they had been
    standing underneath it at the time. It was the size of a small tree.
    Fortunately, it fell in the middle of the yard. But if that tree every goes
    - a neighbor's house will go with it! It's five stories high.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:It wipped around here and outside looked like tornado weather.  The winds
     2:knocked over a lot of stuff including a very heavy door that I have been
     3:building.  Our lights flickered a lot and my monitor went off and on.
     4:
     5:Just kidding about the monitor because we unplugged everything of value
     6:before the storm hit.
     7:
     8:Usually we lose electricity service and I was surprised when we didn't.  I
     9:had all available flashlights in working order and I knew where the candles
    10:were.
    11:end

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    Subject:Jeff/tropics

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     1:You are now going through what many great writers have experienced, such as
     2:miserable living conditions.
     3:
     4:I lived in New Orleans for six years an economic slave and it was bad, real
     5:bad with the exception of November and May.  The humidity is usually between
     6:90 and 100 percent.
     7:
     8:Then I made the mistake, while living there, of reading Henry Miller's
     9:Tropic of Cancer.  I was depressed for months and months.  Please don't ever
    10:read this book unless you are in a very happy situation.  Henry tells of his
    11:life while living in Paris.  The miserable living conditions were too much
    12:for me to bear.  I think it affected my life.
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    Message: 1387
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Tropics, etc.
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 15:26:10

    Yeah, our lights were out for two hours.  I love these violent storms but
    I guess that's because I am a native and love to see rain.  When I was
    little there was a "tornado" that ripped open our front door and sent me
    flying to the back of the living room.  Pretty intense.  In fact, I wrote a
    poem about it.  I'll have to find it and post it.
    RE:  Tropic of Cancer.  Wow, a book that affected the life of Rod Williams.
    I should give it a try.  Besides, I'm already as depressed as I am going to
    get this summer.

    Message: 1388
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Storm
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 19:50:48

    Loved every minute of it.
    We drove from my folks's place on 43rd and Peoria down to
    my place at 12th and Dunlap.
    The visibility got down to only 100 feet or less.
    IN some areas it looked like 10 feet because through the rapidly
    oscillating wipers and the blurring of water on my windscreen I
    could just barely make out the lights of the guy in front of me
    sitting at the Freeway and Dunlap.

    Then just about everyone came out and danced madly about in the
    water.

    Phoenix.

    Message: 1389
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: the Storm
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 20:12:03

            We were out eating and then on the way home, the storm hit...
    When we got out of our truck to go in we were pelted with hundreds of hard
    hitting 1/2 inch hail stones.  Checking out the computer room, I found the
    Un-Interruptible-Power supply was kicking in and out as it detected power
    fluctuations.  In short, it was doing its job and making a lot of beeping
    sounds to get its point across.

            Outside, the storm ripped off the car cover I had covering my 1965
    Formula 'S' Barracuda.   A little rain also found its way into the PDP 11/34
    I have under my patio.  The rear cover had blown open because I had failed
    to lock it down.  Now that I have it all dried out...It is locked shut!

            All in all, it was a fun storm.

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    Message: 1390
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last, PdP 11/34
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:31:38

    The price just dropped to .02 cents per pound.

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    Subject:Several

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     1:Yes, the storm was fun.  Afterwards we went outside to enjoy the cool air.
     2:Tonight I sat outside for a period looking to the free lightening show to
     3:the south.  Every few seconds the sky lit up and big bolts were observed.
     4:It was good to see but I'm glad I wasn't there.
     5:
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    Subject:Melissa

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     1:It is a VERY depressing book.  Be warned.
     2:end

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    Message: 884
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: Ghost
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:29:40

    No, but I once saw The Bowery Boys Meet Frankenstein.  Does that count?

    Message: 885
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Review
    Subject: Ghost
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:45:42

    Patrick Swayze plays a man whose life is cut short by murder.  He contacts
    Whoopi Goldberg, a phony psychic, in order to get in touch with his old
    flame, who is now courting his murderer.  Evidently he hasn't heard of
    direct dialing.  Anyway, Whoopi has a police record, and besides, how
    credible can some black woman in dreadlocks be, so his ex-girlfriend doesn't
    believe her when Whoopi tries to convince her that her dead boyfriend is
    haunting Whoopi's apartment.  Patrick soon learns he can run through walls,
    but is dissapointed that he can't have sex anymore.  This is similar to
    Ghost Dad, in which Bill Cosby had similar problems, except that Bill Cosby
    didn't possess Whoopi Goldberg's body in order to have (very tastefully
    portrayed -- no tongues) lesbian sex with his ex. Swayze soon learns he can
    alter the shape of his protoplasm (ahem) and uses this to scare his
    rival/nemesis/murderer, by making a really ugly face at him.  In the next
    scene, his rival is seen being wheeled off to a nursing home, and his hair
    is completely white. The film then becomes very new-agey.  Swayze's ghost
    jism impregnates his mortal girlfriend, who then has their "moonchild",
    which for some reason not made clear by the film, they decide to name
    "Leithauser".  Leighthauser has powers beyond the ken of mortal men, but is
    driven insane by them, and soon uses them for evil.  We see many scenes of
    him standing on beaches, causing ships to ground upon the midnight rocks,
    laughing maniacally.  I thought the use of Al Stewart music during these
    scenes to be surrealistic, if not grotesque.  In the end, Leighhauser and
    his ghost dad have a final showdown, wherein they both dissapear.  Whoopi
    then points toward the moon, and we see Swayze's smiling face.

    Message: 886
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ghost/Zucker
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:49:12

    Not something I would expect from one of the makers of Airplane!

    Message: 887
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Melissa/Paul/Bear
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:25:28

        If it were dubbed in, it would have been re-dubbed. The film was shot by
    a Japanese director if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps they just shortened it from
    "mama-san?"

    Message: 888
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ghost/Wait...wait...
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:28:26

    Demi....and....uh....Whoopi....and.....IMPREGNATION?

    Would it be too much for this SIG to ask how this was accomplished?

    If it is, leave E-mail.

    Daryl

    Message: 889
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl/how...
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:48:33

    Astral janissaries, man, astral janissaries.

    Message: 890
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl/The Bear
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 06:17:26

     It is a French made film DAryl, not Japanese.

    Message: 891
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:19:10

    Re:  "Has anyone seen this one yet?"

    No, but I plan on seeing it.  S & H both gave it thumbs down.  I was
    surprised.  How many here usually end up agreeing with S & H?

    Message: 892
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:20:33

    Opps!  I was thinking about Ghost Dad, not Ghost.  Sorry!

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 893
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: paul/quick change
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:01:01

    A VERY funny movie. Bill Murray is a comic genius. I like movies that
    make me laugh from the gut --- this one did. I recommend it highly for
    any Bill Murray fan. Also, Jason Robards, one of my favorite actors, played
    the "smart" cop perfectly. A good story and  a lot of fun.

    Message: 894
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Review
    Subject: ghost
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:01:57

    I haven't seen it. It looks dumb to me. When I found out it wasn't a
    comedy, I reported it to CSICOP.

    Message: 895
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: S&H
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:03:16

    I never ignore advice from green stamp redeemers.

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     1:He was part Jewish I hear.
     2:end

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    Message: 897
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: Ghost (Dad)
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 15:29:11

    You've got to be kidding.  The Bill Cosby thing?  No way.
    Ghost even received a good review from the New Times.
    Well, I am not going to keep myself in suspence any longer.  I'm going to go
    check it out at 4:30.

    Message: 898
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ghost
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:06:52

    It got a fairly good review in the Tucson Weekly and was trashed by the
    Tucson Citizen.  But the Citizen reviewer is an idiot, so that means
    nothing.  The Weekly's reviewer is pretty good, though.
       So how was it?

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    Message: 1877
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Mike/tucking
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:44:40

    Clean out of sight.

    Incidentally, Mike Carter is in the other room smoking a cigarette.
    Hey, that penguin suit thing was a gas, Mike.  How did the Polaroids turn
    out?

    Message: 1878
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Night-Life
    Subject: Wow!!
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 03:40:16

    At this very moment, Melissa Dee is leading Mike Carter around by a nipple
    ring, while she sings "When the Saints Come Marching In"; Carter is
    providing musical accompaniment on a Jew's harp.  Wait, he's just stubbed
    his toe on an ottoman, and he's fallen out of tune . . . Melissa pretends to
    be very angry, and makes him kiss her feet, each toe twenty times, before
    allowing him to continue playing.
    Now she's taken him into the kitchen...hold on until I get back...
    Well, she made him balance an egg on his nose, while she flagellated him
    with a birch rod.  He's smarting, but too disciplined to cry out.  Now
    they're coming back down the hall toward this room.  Carter has a paper
    grocery bag over his head, with the words "Bad Slave" scribbled on it, with
    a red permanent marker by the looks of it.  Ye Gods, I do believe it's time
    for the jalapenos!!  I'm logging off!

    Message: 1879
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Jalapenos...
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:34:25

    I'll never be able to swim again...

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     1:It was his left hand that's Jewish.
     2:
     3:Just thought you'd like to know.
     4:
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    Message: 67756
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Eppers
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 20:14:46

            See the <$>cmd in the ain menu.

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    Message: 67723
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GM cars
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:12:23

    Rod, do you really expect us to believe that GM cars account for 40% of
    those on the road?  That is the percentage that Dean's family saw broken
    down.

    I know that they have a pretty hefty market share, but that big?

    Message: 67724
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:13:06

    will not make it.  He is going to be up on this

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     1:I really don't know what GM's market share is but we have to include the
     2:Cadallic, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Corvette and Chevrolet.
     3:
     4:Maybe I have the figures in a reference book hereabouts.
     5:end

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    Message: 67724
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:13:06

    will not make it.  He is going to be up on this Saturday, not next Saturday.

    You're going to put us in the back yard?  Do you have a misting system
    there?

    Message: 67725
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sines
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:14:44

    Jeff, you can think of the sine function as giving you the 'height' of the
    angle, when you put the base of the angle along the positive x-axis.  The
    cosine function measures along the x-axis.

    Message: 67726
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GM cars
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 15:38:37

    Those numbers can mean things in two fashions.
    In several if you wanna get technical.
    (1) More than 40% of the market share is GM (?)
    (2) GM cars last longer so more people own and drive them (?)
    (3) GM cars fall apart on the road
    (4) GM cars fall apart when Dean and wife are around
    (5) Ford and Honda spent millions cleaning up the streets
    (6) Ford and Honda paid for Dean and wife's vacation(s)

    (9,923) Hunyai, Suzuki, GM and Ford are really all one big corporation.

    Message: 67727
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 67472
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 16:30:32

    "homophobe" should mean someone who hates conformity.
    (That's with the Greek "homo"--with the Latin, then it's somebody who hates
    human beings.)

    Message: 67728
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Carter/B-day
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:01:06

    Hippo-Birdie 2 ewe.

    Message: 67729
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Beau Dog/sines
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 18:16:05

    I think that was what I said, when I mentioned that the sine function gives
    the second coordinate (or the "height") when the first coordinate is any
    number determining an arc.

    Thinking about it now, I suspect that the trigonometric functions originated
    as part of plane geometry, as the simple ratio of the opposite over the
    hypotenuse.  The corresponding table of angles may simply have been
    originally the result of observation (or perhaps some other calculation).
    I'd really like to know what the first use of the trigonometric functions
    were, how they came to be, and so forth.  I'm about to read something
    regarding the actual calculation of their values using analytical methods,
    in particular (I think) their approximation through the use of polynomial
    series.  Well, if you think of anything else let me know.

    Message: 67730
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bang!  (1 of 2)
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:07:38

    (Actually "gun drivel", but Roger *might* be interested in science...)

    What do the gun experts on here know about the risks of ammo exploding
    spontaneously due to heat?

    I'm interested in this because of the story told at the May Shootout GT
    about a guy who was injured through loading his gun with some ammo that had
    been left out in the sun.  An Army technical manual also warns against the
    dangers of firing ammo that has reached a temperature of 135 degrees F. or
    more.

    At what temperature does ammo explode spontaneously?  I would expect this to
    differ from one type to another, since the primer compound may be different.
    I'm assuming here that the primer, being chemically more sensitive, would
    probably explode at a lower temperature than the propellant.

    If ammo becomes markedly unstable at temperatures above 135, then I might
    expect to hear of ammo exploding spontaneously in cars left in the sun,
    where the temperature can reach 160, 170, or more.  But I've never heard of
    this happening.  Neither had a guy I asked at a gun store.  If it were a
    risk, I would have expected to run across some mention of it in the many
    safety precautions advised for gun handling.  If it's never happened,
    presumably ammo has to be heated well above 200 degrees (at least) before it
    will go off.

    Message: 67731
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bang!  (2 of 2)
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:08:55

    The technical manual implies that cookoff in a hot chamber is not expected
    to occur in less than ten seconds.  If cookoff is what happened to the guy
    who had the accident, then it seems likely that he was chambering a round by
    hand, otherwise the bolt probably wouldn't have been unlocked long enough
    for the thing to go off in his face.

    But the precise words of the manual about hot ammo (as opposed to a hot gun)
    are that it "should not be fired while at these temperatures or dangerously
    high chamber pressures may result".  I'm guessing what this means is that at
    high temperatures, the propellant actually burns more rapidly -- which
    wouldn't surprise me since most chemical reactions do proceed faster at
    higher temperatures.  Then the pressure-time curve would be very steep; and
    when the round was fired, pressure would rise in the chamber faster than the
    bullet could get out of the way, so a burst gun would result.

    Still, it does leave me with some questions.  Wouldn't the same risk of high
    chamber pressure result from loading a round into a hot chamber, leaving it
    there for a while, and then firing it?  Or from firing after leaving the gun
    itself, loaded, out in the sun?  Also, it would imply that the pressure-time
    curve would vary noticeably with temperature, so that one would expect quite
    different performance from a gun in subzero temperatures than in hot
    climates.  Does anyone have any comments?

    Message: 67732
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Ronnie Barlow
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 20:10:01

    The bad news is that Ronnie Barlow didn't get a new trial.  The good news is
    that he *did* get a bit of a break; a judge reduced the verdict to "guilty
    of manslaughter".

    So say both the Republic and the Gazette.  The Republic also mentioned that
    "earlier this month, a group of demonstrators picketed the Maricopa County
    Courthouse, claiming that Barlow, 22, who is black, was convicted wrongfully
    in the shooting of a violence-prone and racist white man."

    What the Republic did not see fit to mention, but the Gazette did, was that
    the July 3 rally was sponsored by the Arizona Constitutional Rights
    Committee -- a conservative organization that promotes the right to carry
    guns.  So is the Republic backing up its columnist Montini by keeping silent
    on this topic, allowing people to believe that gun owners are all racist?

    Another comment in the Gazette (but not in the Republic) is that Barlow
    "called the NAACP and told them what happened, that I didn't think I was
    getting a fair trial...  The lady on the phone acted like I was lying.  She
    was no help.  It would have been better calling the Klan asking for help."

    So what's the politics of all this?  The NAACP's position is anti-racist,
    but above all it's *liberal* (I hate the perversion of that word).  The
    "liberal" anti-gun position seems to be more important than the individual
    rights of human beings in more ways than one.

    Message: 67733
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa/B-Day
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:30:10

    Happy Birthday!

    Come by the townhouse sometime to pick-up your "Purple Present."

    (It's a PRINCE cassette, you sickies.)

    Message: 67734
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/2 Lines Repeated
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:32:11

    Merely an on-line editing error. I had word-wrap problems while uploading.
    Rather than aborting, going offline, editing, re-saving, relogging and
    uploading again, I decided to attempt editing while on the system. I thought
    I caught everything. Sorry I missed that one.

    Glad to know it is not a problem.

    Daryl

    Message: 67735
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Your Friend
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:34:21

       Has he approached the proper authorities conerning his personal run-in
    with Rankins?

    Daryl

    Message: 67736
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Drs. & Milk
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:38:45

       Rod, you are letting a single doctor's viewpoint colour your entire
    opinion on the doctoral profession. Some doctors will give you what-for if
    you suggest bottle-feeding, others will try and discourage you from breast
    feeding. Some encourage whichever one is most comfortable for the mother.
    And you are going to find very few doctors that recommend feeding a baby
    cow's milk. They are going to suggest Esbilac, Similar, SBA, or another
    formula which is equal in nutrition to breast milk.

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     1:You may think that replacement formulas are just as good for baby as Mothers
     2:Milk but didn't I already tell you about trying to fool Mother Nature?
     3:
     4:Medical Science is still in the dark ages (where does that leave religion?)
     5:and if you believe a doctor, any doctor, that tells you that the human
     6:animal can come up with something that dupicates or surpasses Mother Nature
     7:then you'd probably be the type of person who would believe outdated
     8:litature.
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    10:And where are you going to get a nipple that duplicates the humans, complete
    11:with a heartbeat, the warmth and the ability to cure the mother's insides
    12:all at the same time?
    13:
    14:Doctors are responsible for a weakened race due to the fact that many spread
    15:falsehoods on infant care.  Think about this.
    16:
    17:Rod
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    Message: 67737
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog/Starr
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:39:40

       No, name it Jamie Starr.

       Ask Melissa about it.

    Message: 67738
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Education
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:53:20

        Informing a shoplifter that their action forces price increases is not
    going to affect their conscience one bit. Whether it is 20 cents or 7
    dollars, stealing means not having to pay either amount. Shoplifting insures
    against having to pay the price increases forced by the very act being
    perpetrated.

        Price increases and the burden that is borne by the rest of t

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     1:What you say is not true.  I didn't stop shoplifting until I understood the
     2:economics of it.  I thought it was a game of getting freebies and getting
     3:away with something without realizing what economic damage I was doing.
     4:
     5:And I am not a singular incident, to be sure.
     6:
     7:At one time I believed that 'insurance' would take care of the losses and
     8:that's how stupid I was.  The insurance companies just raise their rates
     9:which causes wholesale rates to rise.
    10:
    11:Rethink your positiion.  The threat of jail does not stop crime, just look
    12:around.  People must be made to understand what crime causes on an emotional
    13:and economic level.
    14:
    15:In some cases jail gives the criminal better living conditions than their
    16:own home, especially if they are homosexual but that
    17:is another subject.
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    Message: 67738
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Education
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 21:53:20

        Informing a shoplifter that their action forces price increases is not
    going to affect their conscience one bit. Whether it is 20 cents or 7
    dollars, stealing means not having to pay either amount. Shoplifting insures
    against having to pay the price increases forced by the very act being
    perpetrated.

        Price increases and the burden that is borne by the rest of the
    community aren't going to change a shoplifter. Most steal because they can't
    afford the prices as they are, or they just don't want to.

        The reality that jail faces a shoplifter once caught, is the only
    effective means of curtailing shoplifting. Thieves don't care about society;
    if they DID, they wouldn't be thieves. They are concerned about things that
    affect them DIRECTLY, like their personal welfare. Some don't even care
    about that.

    Message: 67739
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:07:00

      What town do they shoot Twin Peaks in?
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67740
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Cars
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:09:16

      We didn't keep track of individual models. One thing I notice is that
    there seem to be more dead Cadillacs than any other luxury car.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67741
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon
    Date: 07/21/90  Time: 23:23:21

      I suspect that problems with cook-off often involve quick-firing,
    magazine-fed guns more than any other. As the gun is firing and adding more
    heat to the magazine, a round may reach detonation temperature before it
    gets into the chamber. This would be a very dangerous explosion, and may
    cause a chain reaction with other rounds in the magazine. A round that cooks
    off in the chamber would cause an unexpected firing of the gun, but would
    probably not cause it to explode in the shooters hands. I can't give you any
    temperature figures, but would be interested if you find out.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67742
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: books
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:27:15

    Today I received the Book of the Month Club edition of the Compact OED.
    This is identical to the full twelve volume (plus supplement) OED, but is
    microprinted in two volumes.  The publisher's price for this compact version
    is $270.00, but BOMC sells it for $32.95 plus s&h (about ten bucks ).  It
    looks just like the publisher's edition, and the slipcase even has the same
    drawer built into its top (included is a magnifying glass).  I have no
    problem reading the print with unaided eyes, but the glass makes for faster
    reading and less fatigue.
    This is the quintessential lexicon, and contains many words you won't find
    elsewhere, including some definitions which you won't find elsewhere for
    words you *will* find elsewhere.  An example is the word "valetudinarian",
    which I heard the other night watching The Sign of Four (Sherlock Holmes) on
    Mystery (PBS).  I could not find this word, either in Webster's Unabridged
    New Twentieth Century, or in Webster's Third New International, a three
    volume tome of considerable girth, itself.  The word, for those who are now
    curious, refers to someone of weak health, especially someone who is
    constantly concerned over his health.
    As another example, I looked up the word "merkin".  The former of the two
    other dictionaries did not list it, the latter only listed one definition (a
    cannon rag).  The OED had a number of definitions, of which the most
    interesting was, paraphrasing, a wig for the female pudendum.  I did not
    even know such things ever existed.
    The dictionary is big on etymological history, and also gives many examples
    of various usages.  (CONT)

    Message: 67743
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CONT. (last)
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 02:35:46

    One of the faults of the dictionary is its very obsolescence.  Well, perhaps
    that is an unfair criticism.  The dictionary was published originally in
    1933, and the supplement came later.  Now, most English words originated
    long before that time, but even since the supplement, quite a number of new
    words have been coined, particularly new technical words.  I would not rely
    on this dictionary solely, but it is a valuable tool.
    I ordered it as part of a membership plan.  I agreed to buy four more books
    in the next two years.  That's it.
    If you are interested, you can call BOMC at 1-800-233-1066.  The stock
    number is 905.  I'm sure they will let you join by phone, and you receive
    books with a bill, so that you need not pay up front.

    Incidentally, just in case there is still any doubt, in the entry for
    "between", Murray states quite unequivocally that "In all senses [of
    meaning], *between* has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more
    than two."

    Message: 67744
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Next week
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 04:15:49

    I should be able to attend.  I may come directly from Flagstaff on Saturday
    afternoon to the GT.  Cliff, you can pencil my name in a bit darker, now.
    My plans are falling in place the way I want them.

    -Pat

    Message: 67745
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: I'm looking for ....
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 04:20:59

    .... some programs for my younger brother, who just got himself a PC laptop
    (640K, 2 3.5" drives).  Since I do not have a PC at home, or one at work
    with 3.5" drives, I am trying to find a word processor (not too simple, not
    too complex), terminal program, some games, etc.  He does not have access to
    a phone to get them himself, because the US Army has decided that soldiers
    in Arabic language school don't deserve a phone, but maybe deserve a 1-way
    plane ticket to Cairo, Tel Aviv, or Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) in 18 months.  If
    there is a way for me to get these programs, please drop me a note in
    private mail and I will get back with you.  I have some blank 3.5" disks
    here for programs.

    -Pat

    Message: 67746
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/gt
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 06:06:20

     Are you going to publish your address prior to the GT? I've never been
    there, and I'm probably not the only one. (Cliff, dear?)

    Message: 67747
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Jamie Starr
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 08:15:02

    No, I wouldn't want to give that legecy to any new born girl.
    The name previously mentioned is a nice one.

    Message: 67748
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 10:56:57

    Re:  "Ever smell the raw stench of caked urine?"

    Good grief man, what kind of "cake" are you planning to eat?

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 67749
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Carter/30
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:47:59

    Time to join the old farts sig.

    Message: 67750
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: gun drivel
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 11:53:34

    I just heard of this type of incident (spontaneous ammo explosion
    )  --- can't remember the details. I always ignore anything to do with
    ammo.

    Message: 67751
    Author: Mike Eppers
    Category: Question?
    Subject: $tatus
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 12:53:29

    I do not understand hoe I gain $tatus on this board please inform. If you
    would like my voice number is 602-931-6168: Thank You Mike Eppers

    Message: 67752
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Doggie
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:21:44

    I really don't know what GM's market share is but we have to include the
    Cadallic, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Corvette and Chevrolet.

    Maybe I have the figures in a reference book hereabouts.

    Message: 67753
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/GM
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:26:23

    Good point.  Happy B-Day to you.

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    Author: $ Rod Williams
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    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:31:20

    You may think that replacement formulas are just as good for baby as Mothers
    Milk but didn't I already tell you about trying to fool Mother Nature?

    Medical Science is still in the dark ages (where does that leave religion?)
    and if you believe a doctor, any doctor, that tells you that the human
    animal can come up with something that dupicates or surpasses Mother Nature
    then you'd probably be the type of person who would believe outdated
    litature.

    And where are you going to get a nipple that duplicates the humans, complete
    with a heartbeat, the warmth and the ability to cure the mother's insides
    all at the same time?

    Doctors are responsible for a weakened race due to the fact that many spread
    falsehoods on infant care.  Think about this.

    Rod

    Message: 67755
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/shoplifter
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 13:37:36

    What you say is not true.  I didn't stop shoplifting until I understood the
    economics of it.  I thought it was a game of getting freebies and getting
    away with something without realizing what economic damage I was doing.

    And I am not a singular incident, to be sure.

    At one time I believed that 'insurance' would take care of the losses and
    that's how stupid I was.  The insurance companies just raise their rates
    which causes wholesale rates to rise.

    Rethink your positiion.  The threat of jail does not stop crime, just look
    around.  People must be made to understand what crime causes on an emotional
    and economic level.

    In some cases jail gives the criminal better living conditions than their
    own home, especially if they are homosexual but that
    is another subject.

    Message: 67757
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ammo cook off
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 22:55:38

    I have seen this happen ONCE, it happened in basic training while I was in
    the army. We went on our night infiltration course, and they have 2 M60
    machine guns firing over our head ( 30 feet and tracers ). These weapons are
    fired almost continuesly, and the ammo used burns a little hotter then
    normal( due to phosphorous in the tracers ). Well anywats this NCO (non
    commissioned officer) that was firing one of those M60's decided it was time
    for a break, and let the weapon rest, barrel down ( weapon was on a tripod )
    to let it cool off. This NCO forgot to clear the chamber, and a round was
    still in it. The weapon was so hot that a few seconds( I don't know exactly
    how long) after he laied it down, the round exploded, and blew the M60 into
    pieces. This guy was at this time still standing behind the M60, and he was
    saturated with the resulting scrapnel. He was to say the least severly
    injured. Now what happened, the bullet went downrange, and (yes this was a
    freak accident) hit somebody, completly going through this guy's body. The
    endresult, 1 NCO dead and 1 trainee severly injured. Let me tell you all, I
    will never in my life forget to clear a weapon after firing it, because I
    got to see first hand what can happen( and as hardcore as I might seem, it
    was a grusome sight).  So deffinetly I say dont leave ammo in your weapon's
    chamber after you fire it, unless you are in combat, and then it still might
    be detremental to your health.
    The Mad Max

    Message: 67758
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ammo Cook-off
    Date: 07/22/90  Time: 23:29:12

    Gordon:
            I'm the guy who told you about the injury resulting from
    the heated ammo incident at the Phoenix Rifle club. It was no story.
    A lot of folks think that guns are completely safe if they're handled
    correctly. Well, this is true when you use the weapon with ammunition
    it was intended to use and if everything is in good condition.
    Remember that you are handling a controlled explosion. The latter may
    seem somewhat oxymoron-ish (if there is a term), but that's exactly
    what's happening.
    Far far too many gun owners are oblivious to the dangers of HOT
    ammo. Here in Arizona it is vitally important that you realize what
    ammunition can do if its left out in the sun long enough and then
    placed in a hot weapon. There's some chemistry happening when you
    do this.
    I noticed a student next to me at the U.S.M.A. was leaving his ammo
    in the sun while we were on line. I think perhaps people forget what
    ammunition is made out of.

    Yes, ammo will and does explode spontaneously inside automobiles in
    the sun. I have never heared of it happening when the ammo is
    kept in the shaded part of a parked car, certainly though when the
    ammo is accidentally or carelessly left say on the dash where it lodges
    itself between the windshield and vinyl. Result ; Heat + 3 Hours + Ammo =
    BLAM! + Car fire.          Use your head folks.             -Mike

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