### Apollo BBS Archive - May 15, 1989

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 03:21:51

    I haven't read the stories, even though I intended to. I went through the
    list of files in the Library, but couldn't find any of them. Are they hidden
    or what?

    Cities should be built so the automobile is mostly unnecessary to get
    around. Phoenix should serve as an example of exactly how NOT to organize a
    city. There should be cars here and there to have sex in, though.
    bort, ontinue, nsty-reply or ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:To get a story, go to library, hit (D), hit (A), then type RODW.TXT or
     2:DEANH. TXT or ......I forget the exact names but do a search on the main
     3:board or the Creative SIG and Cliff has them all listed.  Ignore the name of
     4:the story.  What is important is the name of the author.  JT is having the
     5:same problem.
     6:
     7:A story in the financial section of today's republic talks about our
     8:gluttonous ways in gusseling gasoline.  Well, fuck, when Detroit gives us
     9:automobiles that run on solar, battery or steam then I suspose we will use
    10:that.  In the meanwhile, what are we susposed to do?  Lock ourselves in the
    11:closet?   -Rod

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 08:53:24

    Re: Robert Knee --- I thought it was JT --- at least according to your
    margin note in the booklet, he is! But yet, when I read that super post of
    his yesterday, I thought it was you! Talk about being confused?!! Whether it
    was you, JT or some unknown IBM clone, he/she can answer for me anytime!
    Can you tell me who it is (yesterday's post?) I kind of have this stupid
    addiction of wanting to know to whom I speak. Ha ha. -=*) ANN (*=-
    bort, ontinue, nsty-reply or ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        I think that $ Robert Knee is JT but I am not certain.  Notice the
     2:dollar sign in front of his post.  He has status, that's for sure.  It may
     3:be JT's alter ego.  I think he is a skitophrenic (sp). perhaps.  I don't
     4:think he has a deadlocked opinion on much of anything and maybe this is his
     5:way of taking both sides on the same subject.  ???

    To send mail to operator use
    First name:JAMES
    Last name:TARANTO
    Send mail to James Taranto:Yes

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     1:Go to the (L)ibrary, type, (D) then (A).  When it asks for a name (they are
     2:not listed) type DEANH.TXT or RODW.TXT  There is a listing of all the
     3:stories on the main board as well as the Creative SIG.  I forget the exact
     4:names of the others but ignore the title.  Go for the author and .TXT
     5:extension.  Thanks.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5490
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: ROD
    Date: 05/14/89  Time: 23:27:20

         Hey, lay off Paul.  His time is limited, sysoping The Ark and all.

    Message: 5491
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James H./#5488
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:51:41

    Of course! What else? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5492
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Paul/Rod's #5489
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:54:10

    Yeah! "Clowns for Christ!" is the sentance. -=*) ANN (*=-

    P.S. That was not meant to be a put down to you on my part. It is just
    halarious is all!

    Message: 5493
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: ANN/last
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:26:43

            Are you getting drunk, by any chance?

    Message: 5494
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Peter
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:27:48

            I can't wait to retire, like Paul, so I too can be too busy.  You
    hear one, you've heard them all.  -Rod

    Message: 5495
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Busy
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:52:05

            And here I was too busy to write a story and I went ahead and did so
    anyway ...................... Oh, well.

    Message: 5496
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Busy
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 01:24:43

            And you thought you were busy.  I've been working my rear-end off
    this past month, 'business is booming'. I laid awake nights trying to figure
    out what to write about and then when I had an idea, I typed for three hours
    straight till the wee hours.  It was exciting.

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2239
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last2
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 07:25:28

    But flattery will get you everywhere.

    Message: 2240
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Traci/flattery
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:55:51

    It got me out of the Zone a couple of times - also groveling!
    I have a college degree in 'groveling'! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2241
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 10:59:57

    I just got off the phone with Whitey.  He's pretty mad about you and Ralph.

    Message: 2242
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Toady
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:55:34

            I just got off the phone with your wife. She is pretty mad about you
    snooping into Ann's and Ralph's life and bothering Whitey when he has his
    girlfriend over.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3090
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/your last...
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 08:03:11

    C'mon.....................Roddy................

        I try to spell things right!

    See Y'aa..............
    Jeannie

    Message: 3091
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Dirty vies
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 11:01:29

    Do they degrade women like the anti-porn people say they do?

    Message: 3092
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Jeannie
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:29:11

            Yeah, right!

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 58725
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Story Kontest
    Date: 05/14/89  Time: 23:41:07

            Last call for stories....  get them in this week.....

    Okay Dean?

    Message: 3093
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd/degrade
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 22:51:18

    You'll have to be your own judge.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 58726
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 05:57:15

     You are getting way off base now in your continued attack on beauty
    contests and the winners of them. You may have had some valid points at
    first, but I think that JT has you so wound up on this thing that you are
    typing without thinking.
     One big thing that you are either missing entirely or overlooking is the
    fact that the winners are judged, not by beauty alone, but also by grace,
    intelligence, poise and all those other attributes that contribute to
    mature, capable womanhood.
     You are also forgetting that the major prizes in these contests are
    scholarships that will allow the winners to further their education and
    become anything they want to be. If I remember correctly, the first prize in
    the Miss America contest is a $25,000 scholarship. Not a bad thing at all.
    Every now and again, I see or hear of a former Miss America, or other
    pageant winner who has become very successful in her field of endeavor, and
    those are as varied as the women themselves.
     When you, in your state of confusion and misinformation, as much as say
    that these highly intelligent, agressive and capable people are good for
    nothing more than a roll in the hay, you are the one who is stripping them
    of the dignity and respect they deserve, not the beauty contests that
    propelled them on the road to success. Think about it BEFORE you respond.

    Message: 58727
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mistakes
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 08:00:22

    Hey..........................Guys.................

         Everybody is entitled to a mistake now and then.  I guess mine came
    when I fat-fingered in poop instead of poor.  Maybe it was a Freudian slip?
    Who knows?  I still feel that a beauty contest doesn't diminish me in any
    way, even if I was an entrant.

         If you want to think dirty thoughts while looking at pictures of some
    hunk, Ann, it doesn't diminish the rest of the males around you.  Beauty is
    in the eye of the beholder, and so is the diminishment you're worried about.

    See Y'aa..............
    Jeannie

    Message: 58728
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/women
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:13:25

    I'm glad to hear you do not think of women as conquests! I also think
    everybody likes to look at beautiful women AND men.   In fact, just a little
    while ago, I was glancing through the paper and came across a very large ad
    with Cher as the model. Being one of my all time favorite beauties, I gawked
    and admired. Her outfit was brief, but not too much so. Then I looked down
    at the bottom of the ad and saw it was for U.S. Swin and Fitness health
    club and I had to chuckle because such ads are part of what I'm talking
    about. Most everybody know how many operations Cher has had to maintain that
    beautiful body - she's admitted it on several TV talk shows and magazines.
    Now don't you think a healthy looking man or woman - not muscle bound
    individuals - would be more appropriate for such a ad? Cher does not apply
    to the product! Who's going to take this seriously?
    Re: the rest of your post, your questions have already been answered.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. In case this isn't clear to you - a woman's body is being used where it
    does not apply - exploitation! See?

    Message: 58729
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/rape
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:37:41

    I do not think that a beauty contest(s) in general causes men to go out and
    rape, but it is one of the reasons. First of all, let me clarify one thing -
    --- no one is responsible for rape but the  man doing it regardless of his
    reasons. But women should take some responsibility for it also. Lets take a
    hypothetical story ---- a young single male goes out to a disco for a night.
    He spends hours watching the women on the dance floor. Most of the women are
    bra less - wearing mini skirts - and dancing VERY suggestivily! Now if I was
    a man, I'd certainly get the opinion that woman are dressed and act that way
    because they are interested in sex. Why else would they do it? So, he gets
    heated up and goes out to Central Park and rapes some woman - and he might
    have it in his mind he's giving her what he really wants. Many men have
    confessed this when caught! But - not just the dancing women have made him
    come to this conclusion. In the past month, he has seen beauty contests,
    Swim Suit editions, toilet bowl commercials etc. etc. not to mention Playboy
    and the like - all depicting women as half undressed lustful creatures who
    are just waiting for their hunk to come along and satisfy them. If all of
    this is what he is exposed to, why wouldn't he think women are here for his
    pleasure? If we kept the ads in their proper perspective - kept the sex to
    Playboy type magazines etc. etc. - he wouldn't be so bombarded constanly and
    get wrong opinions. Of course, this is my opinion. I just think women are
    used way too much and with some warped individuals, it creates problems.
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58730
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/B-contests
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 09:47:22

    Your post did not make a bit of sense. If these contestant are judged on not
    just beauty alone, but on grace, charm, poise ect. - why do they have to be
    judged in swim suits then?
    Re: me responding without thinking - why don't you cast the first stone
    Paul? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58731
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Ann
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 10:24:29

            Paul's post was very clear and to the point.  The swim suit part is
    just one of the many parts they are judged on.  You make it sound like they
    go though the whole contest in swim suits... that is NOT true.  Lets face it
    Ann, you are so upset over the "swim suit" part, you fail to see the rest of
    the contest for what it really is.  It is apparent that these young women
    who enter these contest of their own free will are only diminished in your
    eyes.  You are upset because they get attention.   Well, seems I know one
    lady who drives around in a sporty 'Vet' to get attention....  You care to
    tell us about this?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.  You care to cast any stones in the Zone?             (just kidding)

    Message: 58732
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ugly Rod??
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 12:44:44

    Rod, I did not agree with you just because you're ugly.  I actually thought
    you were right for a change!

    Message: 58733
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 12:47:57

    Re: "One big thing that you are either missing entirely or overlooking is
    the
    fact that the winners are judged, not by beauty alone, but also by grace,
    intelligence, poise and all those other attributes that contribute to
    mature, capable womanhood."

    What you say is true, but you must also realize that all the grace,
    intelligence, and poise in the world would never win a beauty contest
    for an ugly woman.

    Message: 58734
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ANN
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 16:19:49

    So, if I see a braless woman, it's ok to go out and savagely rape a helpless
    woman?

    Message: 58735
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Swimsuits
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 19:36:56

            Hey, put it this way, if the beauty pagents did not have the
    swimsuit competition, their ratings would go way down and the ad men would
    get less for a spot, thus losing money.  Sex sells.  Remember that.

            Besides, every time I see the swimsuit competition, I get very
    amorous.

            To JT:  What is your latest conquest count?  Last time you said that
    it was up to 402 woman and you only knew the first names of five of them.

    Message: 58736
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 20:25:12

    Yeah, he knew the names of his cousins.  Bob, George, Harold, Rex and Greg.

    Message: 58737
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 21:18:56

      Why should anyone get awards, glory, laud and honor for their beauty
    because they happened to be born that way?  Why not?
      And do you really believe that the contestants in the Miss America pagent
    really look like they look like they do?  G'wan!  They're wearing makeup!
    And they've been dieting to change their shapes.  If they win, it's because
    they *worked* for it!
      Look.  There are some people born pretty, and if they work at it hard
    enough, they can be beautiful and become Miss America.
      Some people are born non-puny and have the ability to increase their
    strength enough with the proper exercise to become Mr America.
      Some people are born with enough of whatever it takes to be good spellers,
    and can practice enough to become great spellers.
      In each of these, there is some raw ability that can be improved upon, so
    they don't differ in any significant way, as I said before.  The homely are
    not going to become beautiful (generally), but neither are the truly puny
    going to become muscle-bound, and some people will *never* be able to spell.
      So would you expand your dislike of beauty contests to include any contest
    at all for which there are people totally incapable of winning?

          =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 58738
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/Contests
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 21:26:32

      My previous message answers some of yours in #58656.
      As for why there's a bathing suit portion to the contest, why not?  That's
    simply one of the criteria they use.  After all, it *is* a beauty contest,
    and how the contestants look in swimsuits is relevant to the contest in
    question.
      One think to note is that unlike races where the criterion of victory is
    objective -- first one over the finish line wins -- beauty contests are very
    subjective -- the one with the highest score wins, and the scores depend on
    the judges' *opinions*.
      Should you then have no objection to objective contests, but only to
    subjective ones?  Then you'd have to outlaw essay contests.
      The point remains:  why *object* to beauty contests?  I have no interest
    in Marty Feldman Look-Alike contests, and could never win one, but does that
    mean I should demand that they be abolished?  If I don't like 'em, I ignore
    'em!  You should be able to do the same.

          =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 58739
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Belaregardo Hundo
    Date: 05/15/89  Time: 21:30:19

      Cxina?  Nu, eble mi estos tie!

                    ....,,,,________nnnhn___
             (We all live in a yellow subroutine!)

    Message: 58740
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: UGLY
    Date: 05/16/89  Time: 01:33:47

            Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Fact is, the human animal is
    ugly, especially when viewed from a fly's vantage point.  We just accept
    each other as beautiful critters because it is what we are used to.
            I know people who like heavy girls.  If given a choice between a
    slim or fat chick, they'd take the fat one every time.  What is pretty to
    one person may be ugly to another.  I think that the judges should be chosen
    a little differently in the future.  I'd like to see a fat, wart-faced,
    woman win one of those national beauty contests.  There are some mighty
    intelligent, so-called, ugly people around.  Give them an equal chance.

    First name:SYSOP
    Send mail to Apollo SYSOP:Yes

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     1:Both Nick and JT are having trouble finding the story Kontest files.  And if
     2:these two are having a difficult time then can you imagine what some of the
     3:others are going through?
     4:        Maybe you could explain it clearer, step by step, on the main board.
     5:I think they try to do a download from the titles and Nick mentioned that
     6:the stories were not listed.  I knew they weren't listed and i had no
     7:trouble downloading them but others are confused.
     8:       Have a happy-happy.              Rod
     9:
    10:P.s  thanks for the laser-printout of my story.  It really makes good copy.

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