### Apollo BBS Archive - August 5, 1988

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    Message: 3991
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Lloyd/GT
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 06:02:56

    When do you want to meet? I think you and I are the only qualifiers for your
    description!

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    Message: 1726
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 02:04:46

    I said, "I'm sure it took you a couple of days to notice it".  I did not
    say, "I know it took you a couple of days to find it because I was sitting
    across the street with binoculars".

    And Ann herself at the Tom Slone GT told me that her husband walked by it
    all morning and asked her what it was and she didn't even go LOOK at it.

    Message: 1727
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 09:10:36

    Well - I didn't know it was a giant penis or I would have been out there at
    4:AM! Hey James Hawley - you are sounding awfully guilty there?? Am I
    blaiming the wrong person? As I said at the GT - you and Zakey are the prime
    suspects. Sigh! Am I never gonna found out who did this? Who ever did has
    the most inovative, good sense of humor I ever saw. But I want to know so I
    can retaliate in like! - like a giant cat or something! =*--ANNIE THE
    FANNY--*=

    Message: 1728
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 13:51:04

    Ann, I admit that I find it rather funny that you had large 'thang' on your
    lawn.  But why suspect me because I find it funny?  Everyone else are just
    paid pawns of the MIGHTY Zak.  I hear that he is giving them free videotapes
    for their cooperation.

    But there is always the possibility that it was someone else.  Cliff and
    Sandy for example.

    Message: 1729
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Hawley/Zone
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 14:17:52

            Do not get me involved in thes Mr Hawley...  How would you like to
    be placed in the Zone till you confessed?  Even if you are innocent!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

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     1:        You seemed to have gotten out of that fairly well.  How about this,
     2:I have a picture of you delivering the THANG.  I want MONEY.
     3:        Don't try to put it on poor, innocent, Zak.
     4:end

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    Message: 1731
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 20:04:06

    Let me see that picture! Love =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1732
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 22:43:08

    My, you sure seem to be reacting strongly for a supposedly innocent man.
    Where there's smoke....

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    Subject:Ann/Picture

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     1:        I want Money, honey (or I will trade for anything reasonable).
     2:        * * See You Around The Universe * *     Rod
     3:end

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    Message: 53505
    Author: Dan Deacon
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Response
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 03:17:57

    Hmmm... all these interesting messages...

    Drug Legalization?

       One I'd LOVE to see legalized is XTC (Ecstasy, Adam, etc..) -- this drug
    is like none other I've heard about/seen/etc... I've heard that some
    psychiatrists are trying to get it legalized for depressed people; it would
    be great if it were legalized.. it makes you love everything/everyone!!!

       Any drug that impairs a person I think should be either controlled in
    some way or not legalized... Either the drug should enhance or forget it.
    But problems arise there too, since not all drugs affect people the same
    way.

    .
    .
    nxtc,
    me

    Message: 53506
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 04:04:49

    That's utter nonsense.  Have you ever studied ANY economics?  The statement
    "[the law of supply and demand] used to mean that if a product became
    popular, the manufacturer would lower his prices because he was selling so
    much of the product and making a nice profit" is laughable.  You think
    companies simply lowered their prices out of the kindness of their hearts?
    The actual mechanism is that the high prices encourages entry into the
    market, increasing the amount supplied (but lowering the amount supplied by
    each company) and thus lowering the price.  Note that the price is not
    lowered by kindness, it is lowered because -- as Rod says -- they care about
    your money.  The second part of your message -- "Now it means that if it's
    popular, the prices are inflated to make wind fall profits" is equally
    silly.  In the first place, windfall profits refer to profits unrelated to
    the company's actions (such as the Arabs jacking up prices -- windfall, get
    it?)  But aside from that, companies will always try to get the highest
    price they can.  And customers will get the lowest price they can.  If the
    price is high enough to result in economic profits, new firms will enter.
    The beauty of the price system is that all of this information is conveyed
    efficiently.  We don't need companies acting generously; quite the contrary,
    we need as many companies acting as selfishly as possible.  However, that
    selfish action should not extend to blocking entry into the market place
    with coercion -- and the prime instrument of coercion is government.  In
    this century, it has become the instrument of choice by big business to keep
    out competitors.
    So stop your blathering about "selfish big business."

    Message: 53507
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 04:14:17

    If you intend to convince me that I am ignorant of the practices of big
    business, you are going to have to give me some examples of greed that
    aren't quite so transparent.

    Message: 53508
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 04:16:12

    For some good examples of small businessmen who recently made it big, rent
    the tape that "Inc." magazine produced. It is available at Tower.

    Message: 53509
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/states
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 08:36:41

    If individual states were able to legalized drugs and this state did so -
    we'd have every addict from Maine to California coming here! Just like Las
    Vegas and ATlantic city that provides gambling. Many of the states would
    have to do it at the same time. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53510
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/question
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 08:37:37

    Individual responsibility?? Whats that? A new fad or somehing? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53511
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drinking/woman
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 08:40:14

    I just read an artlcle that it was good for woman to drink from 3 to 17
    drinks per week. It greatly reduced their chances of heart attacts! Hm -
    - now those stastistics I like. Ha =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53512
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David the expert
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 08:52:51

    Re: the subject of supply and demand - you can call it blathering if you
    wish, but I remember a time when that was the norm. A new product started
    out high in price - when it sold very well, the price went down
    considerably. That is not the norm now and will probably not be again. There
    was also a time when the big businesses DID consider their customers as
    humans and not just another buck. Today, a few small businesses run that
    way, but they are very few. You can spout off about economics all you want
    and there is no doubt you are an expert - but times have changed. I assume
    that big businesses can't afford to be too generous in today's market! But
    they sure as hell could be a little more human.
    By the way - surely you see the trend of small business becoming a thing of
    the past?! In your life time, we could become only big corporations. They
    are eating us alive. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53513
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 09:35:34

    I'm not surprised to hear APS spreading misinformation about solar power,
    but I was asking how the government discourages it.

    Message: 53514
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 09:37:19

    Most drugs should be legal, but employers should be allowed to hire or fire
    anyone for any reason (including drug use).

    Message: 53515
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: political sign cult
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 10:09:43

    Date:  Friday, 5 August 1988 10:56 mst
    From:  EDDIE at ISIS.MIT.EDU
    To:  subgenius at MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU
    Subject:  The Great Political Sign Cult of Religiosity

    A new Discordian Game.

    Get 6 or 8 cooperative helpers.
    Wait for a local election, one where those local political signs start going
    up in everyone's yard that say "DEL MUNCHKINI for Councilor".  About the
    time of the evening meal, when many people should be home, and the sun
    hasn't quite set yet, go out with your helpers.

    Whenever you get to a sign, all kneel in a group and bow repeatedly to the
    sign (25 to 50 times) chanting the name on the sign over and over.

    Then get up and go to the next sign.

    Repeat process.

    Eddie the Raving

    Message: 53516
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 13:58:22

    As for your assertion that prices are initially high and then decrease as
    demand rises, the only area that is seen in is technology.  The first VCRs
    cost $2000, but as technology advanced and people bought more the price has
    come down considerably.  Is that what you meant?

    Message: 53517
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Booze!
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 14:37:28

            It is now claimed that a "LITTLE" alcohol not only relieves a little
    stress, but is helpfull in the prevention of Cancer, Heart attack or
    strokes.  But I stress, this is only if used in a moderate amount.

     One glass of Beer per month is very GOOD for the body....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 53518
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 15:39:50

    How could anyone be such a muddlehead?

    Message: 53519
    Author: Gary Jonrs
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann - Booze!
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 16:46:38

    Ann -
        Remember,
                     Candy is dandy,
                     but liquor is quicker!

                                                        Gary

    Message: 53520
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 53516
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 17:07:26

    The prices came down because not only demand increased, so did
    supply--increased competition brings prices down.

    Message: 53521
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/drinking
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 19:13:18

            Actually those statistics you mention about drinking being good for
    you was sponsored by the liquor industry as thier sales have been slumping
    over the past few years.
            The milk industry does the same thing.  Many doctors know that
    cheese and milk products are bad for good health but fighting a powerful
    industry is not easy and costs are enourmous.
            The red meat industry is also guilty.  I wouldn't be surprized to
    hear in the coming months that cow flesh prevents acatillius.  (Actually the
    disease I mentioned hasn't been invented but give it time).
            * * See You Around The Universe * *      Rod

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     1:        Does anyone know if there are a lot of child molestion cases in the
     2:Nederlands?  Do small children disapear as they do here, are there many
     3:people like the Lease-Rental Rapist or are there less violations because
     4:prostitution is legal?
     5:        From my recent understanding, the Nederlands came out of the Dark
     6:Ages ahead of the rest of the people of Europe.  It seems they are still
     7:ahead of the rest of the people of the world.
     8:        Why doesn't the U.S. learn from them or do we?
     9:        Many questions.
    10:                                Rod
    11:end

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     1:        I thought prices came down on products for several reasons, one,
     2:that the 'tooling' costs have been met and two, that if they didn't come
     3:down on prices the producers would leave the door too far open for a
     4:competitor to jump in.  Bringing prices down is a good way to insure that
     5:another company will not initially be able to produce the product, sell the
     6:product and still make a profit as they to would have thier 'tooling' costs.
     7:        In any case, the making of profit is the motivator in 99.9 per-cent
     8:of the cases as ocassionally a philanthropist produces something for small
     9:profit from the beginning.
    10:
    11:        What we need are more philanthropists in industry then we can see
    12:what pigs the people are.
    13:        If this is a confusing message, ignore it, I am in a weird mood.
    14:                                Rod
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    Message: 53524
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: economics
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 19:53:20

    I quit! I give up! I do not know enough about economics to argue with the
    likes of all of you. I know things used to be different, but why, I couldn't
    tell you? But my next post is something I know about! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 53526
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Where our tax ..
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 20:00:49

    ... money goes!

    My husband is building a house in New River. He took the plans that he
    drew up for the septic system to the county. The woman behind the desk
    looked at them and told him they couldn't be used and they had to be
    engineered! She said the hole for the tank had to be 6ft. X 6ft. by 10
    feet deep and then had to be inspected and engineered! Two men (6 weeks
    later!) came out to inspect the hole. When they drove up, they stood at
    the truck a long time and my husband went up to see what was going on -
    found out they were arguing about who was going to take Polaroid
    pictures and who was going to measure the hole! They finally decided
    and went to inspect the hole. One guy took four pictures of it while
    the other guy measured it. This took about 45 minutes and then they
    started to leave. My husband ask them about the leech field (they were
    supposed to tell him how long and deep - this is the engineering of
    it??) They said they didn't do that part of it. My husband ask what
    they did do and they replied 'Inspect the holes'! I cannot print on the
    BB what my husband's reply to that was! He also ask if they were at
    least going to pass the inspection on the hole - they didn't because
    one guy said "they weren't sure it was right!" After they left, my
    husband made a call to the county and another engineer came out the
    next day - and another one the next day - for 6 days. The last one told
    him they were using a different method now and he had to re-do the
    entire thing!  These guys make over $30,000 a year and we pay for it!

    Message: 53527
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 20:02:57

    Arn't you capable of anything else but calling people names? If you have
    something to say on the subject, then why don't you do so? You are fast
    becoming a bore! Ho hum!

    Message: 53528
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 22:47:48

    Your husband doesn't seem to be able to get along with anyone, right?  Not
    the nice guy across the street, not the nice engineers from the county.  He
    doesn't know the building code so he just blames it on everyone else.  And
    why build up in New River?  Or are you moving into Shangri-La?

    Message: 53529
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/53527
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 23:35:50

    And you're just discovering it?

    (big grin!)

                        -=*[Daryl]*=-

    Message: 53530
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Greed
    Date: 08/06/88  Time: 01:20:30

            If the people who complained about government and big business
    (myself included) traded places, the situation would probably become worse.
    At least the ones who are ripping us off have had years of experience and we
    as rank amateurs would bungle the job and cause a quick economic collapse.
            Doing a con job on the population requires finesse and a good formal
    education helps.
            The point I am trying to make is, people everywhere are basically
    the same, same greed, same basic intelligence (ugh) level and the same
    things would happen.  We can only blame ourselves and not be angry at the
    big business/government end of things.
            We just, somehow must rise to a new level of intelligence but I
    guess we are, that's evolution, hope it works.

            * * See You Around The Universe * *       Rod

    Message: 53531
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Compassion
    Date: 08/06/88  Time: 01:38:01

            Being constructive and compasionate doesn't cost a dime but it does
    take a balanced personality.  Some people do not learn these things in their
    youth but will later on.
            I think all should share the guilt of having a glitched world.
    Either that or we can just blame our dead ancestors.  But it is we who have
    to make it better, we are the only modelers here, the dead are dead, we the
    living are the only ones left and then we will become the dead and the
    living can then blame us.
            Earth COULD be such a nice neighborhood, too.  Oh well as JT used to
    say.
            * * See You Around The Universe * *   Rot

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    Message: 68
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Hawley Crock Smith
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 04:21:43

    The article in the Republic only mentioned that he had a token in his
    pocket. He was arrested at 33rd and Van Buren, and Fanny's is the nearest
    adult entertainment establishment to that point. Where did you hear that he
    was?

    Message: 69
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Nick the Geek!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 13:55:51

    I think the place you mentioned went out of business, or changed it's name.
    That was my only point.

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     1:        You two guys are weird or something!
     2:* * See You Around The Universe * *       Rod Wild-Pussy
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    Message: 71
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: JT Intellect Bore
    Subject: About the above!
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 20:12:05

    I think JT is the most insufferable bore I ever met! I think he thinks his
    ass doesn't stink! As far as his category here is conserned - instead of
    (J)T Intellect Bore - it ought to be (J)T Bore!!!! He certainly isn't
    intellectual!

          WHEW! Got that off my chest! Thanks Cliff for this sig. Of course, JT
    doesn't lower himself to be on this sig. so he'll never see this post!

                            =*--ANNIE the ASSp--*=

    Message: 72
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 22:49:39

    JT has nothing good to contribute to society.  Perhaps he should run for
    office.

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    Date: 08/06/88  Time: 01:29:35

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    Wanna learn something new this log on?  It will help you all throughtout
    your life, I'm being serious, but you know that.
            To be successful in this world, in what you are doing, look for the
    brother and sister in each person you make aquaintance with.  It is ALWAYS
    there, sometimes hard to find the key, but definately there.
            Each and every person has intelligence in something, a special kind
    of genius, if you will.
            Learn something from Burkhart, he knows something you have not yet
    learned, he is constructive and shows compassion.  You may or may not be
    more intelligent than he, but that does not matter, what matter is that you
    take Will Rogers Course in dealing with people.
            Ann is very hurt and for good reason, you maliciously hurt her
    feelings and this makes you look bad in many peoples eyes, mine included.
            You have very great potential but you are blowing it, you glee in
    your advancements but the fall will come if you do not learn these important
    words.  I shit you not, the world needs JT's potential but not JT the
    asshole.
                                            Love
            * * See You Around The Universe * *      Rod
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     1:This is the letter I sent JT, just now.
     2:      * * See You Around The Universe * *      Rod
    21:end
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    21:(Ann, hopes this helps.........Love...Rod)

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    Message: 924
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hidden Meaning
    Date: 08/05/88  Time: 23:38:22

    That no one has found yet.