### Apollo BBS Archive - July 28, 1990

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    Message: 67952
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: races
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 03:11:52

    It's a childish(but oh so much fun!) habit of mine...I'm sitting at a light
    in my (hah) high-powered '62 Falcon with a stock 170 straight-6...it rumbles
    menacingly(well, it quivers enough that I can tell it hasn't
    stalled)...someone likely pulls up next to me, something I think I can take
    like, say, small trucks, bad running cars, four-cyllinder engined Japanese
    cars etc(esp. those driven by people with ATTITUDES)...and just like in the
    old days that my dad tells me about, the light turns green and I take
    advantage of all that incredible amount of low-end torque that new cars
    honestly don't have and see how long it takes for them to catch me if they
    decide to play...I can beat even real cars at least across the intersection
    and hang around with decent cars till 40 or so. I stop at about ten over the
    speed limit, since it's not worth a ticket and anyway, the Falcon's no good
    at higher speeds. No, I don't drive that way all the time, just when the
    night is cool and the time is right and I feel like a little race...
    (more mystical experiences with my vehicle...and you guys thought YOU were
    weird...)

    Message: 67953
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: horses
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 03:16:59

    Well, the horses aren't hanging out at college somewhere waiting for a
    draft. It's been said in the industry that horses are better than athletes
    in that after they win the Derby or whatever, they don't ask to renegotiate
    their contract. And horses as a general rule never go on strike for a pay
    raise.

    Message: 67954
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 03:29:23

    But what about the owners of horses that win the Derby?

    Message: 67955
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger,Steve,et al.
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 03:54:31

    I am perhaps beginning to understand how they figure the trig tables.  Let
    me preface with some things which (while they may be old hat to you) I am
    just now discovering.

    We already know that  the increment of a function is; Delta-y = f(x +
    Delta-x) - f(x).  The ratio of this increment corresponding to the increment
    of x, Delta-y/Delta-x, approaches a finite limit as Delta-x approaches zero,
    this being the derivative of the function at x.  We could write an equality;
    Delta-y/Delta-x = f'(x) + A, where A is a number which depends on Delta-x
    such that as Delta-x approaches zero, A approaches zero.  Multiplying both
    sides by Delta-x, the increment of a function Delta-y can then be
    represented as f'(x)*Delta-x + A*Delta-x.  The first summand is
    of course the differential of the function at x.
    Now, one of the things I did not realize was that, for a linear function,
    dy = Delta-y, because the derivative of a first-degree function of x is a
    constant; x does not figure in calculations of f'(x).
    Furthermore, given any polynomial function of degree n,
    Delta-y = dy + d2y + ... + dny, where dny = the nth derivative of f(x),
    times (Delta-x)^n, over n! (n-factorial), symbolically;
    fn(x)*(Delta-x)^n/n!
    So in a sense, you could say that the increment of a function, Delta-y, is
    equal to the sum of ALL its differentials.
    Let me know if I'm wrong.  As I gain a solid grasp on the rest of this, I'll
    continue.

    Message: 67956
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Melissa/ October
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 05:36:20

     "So what is going on in October that get so many couples together? THe
    turning of the leaves? Halloween?"
    Cool nights.

    Message: 67957
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard/Smitty's
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 05:42:56

     When the local papers consider the money Smitty's pays for those ads, words
    like hypocrisy or two-faced leave the language.
     Besides, couldn't you imagine the law suits if the papers refused to
    publish Smitty's ads?
     All that aside, I'm glad to see Smitty's ads, so I can do a little
    pre-shopping. I have decided to shop more at Smitty's since it is now likely
    that the known criminal element may think twice before patronizing them,
    since they have a rather strict way of handling them.

    Message: 67958
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard/emissions
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 05:44:45

     That solution sounds so reasonable that we can be sure it will never be
    adopted in Arizona.

    Message: 67959
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary/ROseanne
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 05:47:01

     "She may be looking for gigs in the near future"? Gags would be better!

    Message: 67960
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/schools
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 08:39:20

    For the most part, I still do not think private schools are the answer - at
    least in our society at this time. All I know is - my grand kids were too
    cloistered. Not only was religion taught 'all' the time, they went to church
    everynight for Bible study and on Sunday morning. When they had to go to
    public school, it was such a change, I don't think they were capable of
    handling it too well. The classes were too small - some having only 4 - 5
    kids in them. (It was a VERY small school) They were simply overwhelmed by
    numbers when they went public. To sum it up - they wern't ready to go out
    into the world at that age. If the school went all the way to graduation,
    then it might have been a lot better - but the parents/kids had no choice
    except Catholic school and the religion did not like Catholics/priests/nuns
    etc. The pastor's son turned out to be one of the worse kids around too. Now
    that he's 19 - he is totally wild, got two girls pregnant already, many
    speeding tickets, has stolen, been in juvenile hall. One of the boys that
    we've known all his life turned to Satanism and black magic. Some of the
    girls are dishing it out like hotcakes. Out of all the kids we knew that
    graduated, I'd say 85% would be considered 'going bad'!
    I'm not saying public school is better - just so completely different. But
    that is the real world and I don't think the private one was. Besides, even
    if the kids went all the way and graduated at 18 - there's still a real
    world out there in the business field that functions entirely different than
    they were taught. For one thing, they'd find out pronto that everyone isn't
    good or can be trusted. As a matter of fact, 2 of my grandkids found that
    out and were totally disillusioned and did not understand. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67961
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi/schools
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 08:54:03

    Nothing wrong with sports - I just feel too much importance is put on them -
    too much pressure on the kids to excell.
    One of my grandsons is a good example - he was the tops in his wrestling
    class and they were in the heat of competition in the first half of his last
    year. His grades were terrible, yet they continued to let him wrestle, with
    an occasional threat that if his grades didn't improve he'd be off the team.
    It never happened. They won and as soon as they did, they come down on him
    like a rock about his grades. This also happened to his brother that is a
    year older, but it was track instead of wrestling. The brother did NOT
    graduate, but had to make up another year and finally did. Do you think this
    is right?
    Getting back to the wrestler - he also suffered greatly during the season -
    if he had a bad night, he felt so low - good-for-nothing because he wasn't
    wrestling good. Sometimes he'd even cry out of frustration at losing. He
    certainly didn't cry over his grades though. He suffered massive nose bleeds
    after most events and didn't tell the school for fear he'd be kicked off the
    team. He didn't even tell his mother until the season was almost over. This
    is what I mean about sports being too important - the fear of losing!
    Anyway, I don't know how the other schools are, but I get my opinion from
    all of this. When I was in school, we played at sports for the exercise, not
    to 'do-or-die' win! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67962
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/school
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 09:00:28

    I went to Catholic school because I was a full fledged Catholic at the time.
    It was a mistake - I hated school with a passion and those schools are a lot
    worse as far as discipline, home work and a general all around control of
    the children. I was a brat of the first class - didn't take discipline from
    my mother, much less from school.
    Catholic school does supply one thing - at least all of us were ALL
    Catholics - have that in common! I found a sense of belonging that I didn't
    find in public school.
    Also at the time, I was thinking of becoming a nun! Don't laugh. I think all
    girl Catholics at one time have contemplated that. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67963
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary on Roseanne
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 09:10:55

    I can't believe they dedicated over 10 minutes to her on the CNN NATIONAL
    news station - her non-apology for singing the Anthem like that. I also
    can't believe anyone would ASK her to sing it in the first place!
    I'm prejudiced - I think she's rude, crude, a slob, a B#$ch, ugly, and a
    NON-STAR that keeps grabbing the headlines from the Enqurior and all the
    news papers. She makes Zsa Zsa look like an amateur. Do people really like
    this person? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67964
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/School
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 13:11:17

      The whole idea of having private schools is to provide choices and
    competition between schools, thereby improving them. Equating every
    conceivable private school with a Catholic school is an error.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67965
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Us
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 13:12:18

      Conditions have changed, such that Bonnie and I will be able to attend,
    sans offspring.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67966
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: sports/schools
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 13:27:39

    Hmmm. You do have a good point. My problem is that I was not into sports in
    high school much and none of my friends were involved in school sports so it
    seemed like unless they wanted you for whatever team, there was no
    pressure...I acknowledge that there is lots of pressure if they do want you.
    My memories of sports in school was PE three times a week; sometimes I hated
    the sport of the season(softball especially), but there were times when I
    looked forward to outrunning the competition(mostly girls I didn't like very
    much so it was an easy way to show them up) during track season and playing
    soccer where even when I was fairly unpopular(at that distant long-ago time
    when I just started at the school)the team captains always picked me first.
    Nowadays, I see the therapeutic psychological benefits of tennis for my
    parents, volleyball for my friends, etc, etc. There is some good in sport.

    Message: 67967
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Guest List
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 13:58:43

    Ann Oudin & Hubby
    Beauregard Dog
    Bill Burkett
    Bob Thornburg & Wife
    Daryl Westfall (unsure)
    Dean Hathaway & Wife
    Gordon Little & Wife
    James Hawley
    Jeff Beck
    Jeff Lochansky (Mad-Max)
    Kim Paskiewicz
    Melissa Dee
    (( space ))
    Mike Carter & Wife  (Fang)
    Mike Kielsky
    Pat Stoddard
    Paul Savage & Wife
    Ralph Blehm & Wife
    Rod Williams
    Roger Mann & Wife  (@ 8:30)
    Shirley Bear & Friend
    Steven Carls

    It's a GO.....  see ya all tonight!

    Message: 67968
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 14:11:50

    Since these are song lyrics I could have put them in the MUSic SIG, but
    I thought Sandi might like to see them. They are from 'Hot Rod Race' by
    Jimmy Dolan. If the song looks familiar it is because several artists
    had hits with a later variation of it called 'Hot Rod Lincoln'.

    Now me and my wife and my brother Joe,
     took off in my Ford from San Pedro,
    we hadn't much gas and the tires were low,
     but that doggone Ford could really go.

    Now long about the middle of the night,
     we were rippin' along like plain folks might,
    when a Mercury behind,
     he blinked his lights and he honked his horn, and he flew outside.

    We had twin pipes and the Columbia Buts,
     you people may think that I'm in a rut,
    but to you folks who don't dig the jive,
     that's two carburetors and an overdrive.

    We made three spots out of many good towns,
     and left the cops' heads spinnin round and round.
    They wouldn't chase, they'd run and hide,
     but me and that Mercury stayed side by side.

    Now we were Ford men and we likely knew,
     that we would race til somethin blew.
    And we --thought it over,
     now wouldn't you?

    I looked down at my lovely bride,
     her face was blue, I thought she'd died.
    We left streaks through town about forty feet wide,
      but me and that Mercury stayed side by side.

    My brother was pale, he said he was sick he said he was just a nervous
      wreck,
    but why should I worry, for what the heck,
      me and that Mercury was still neck and neck.

    Now on through the deserts we did glide,
     a flying low and a flyin wide.
    Me and that Mercury was a takin a ride,
     and we stayed exactly side by side.

    Then I looked in the mirror and I saw somethin comin,
     and I thought it was a plane by the way it was a runnin.
    Hummin along at a terrible pace,
     and I knew right then it was the end of the race.

    When it flew by us I turned the other way,
     and the guy in the Mercury had nothin to say.
    For it was a kid, in a hopped up Model A,
      yeah just a hopped up Model A!

           Hot Rod Lincoln is written from the perspective of the Model A
        which blew by the Ford and Merc although the later artist, Johnny
        Bond, changed the losing car to a Cadillac. He had actually built a
        car with a Lincoln engine and a Model A body which he wrote the
        song about. Later artists who did well with it include Charlie
        Ryan, Commander Cody, and Asleep At The Wheel. Ryan's version
        says that the Lincoln was a twelve cylinder while the later
    xD   versions say eight. I wonder how Bond wrote it?

    Message: 67971
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 15:22:34

    Re:  "One of the boys that we've known all his life turned to Satanism and
    black magic. Some of the girls are dishing it out like hotcakes. Out of all
    the kids we knew that graduated, I'd say 85% would be considered 'going
    bad'!"

    It's hard for me to believe the fault is all with the school.  But just
    because a school is private and/or religious doesn't mean it is necessarily
    good or bad.  I think you will find both good and bad private and public
    schools.  I send my boys to a private school except for the oldest now who
    will attend Apollo High this coming year.  I didn't take them out of public
    school and put them into a private school just so they would be taught
    religious subjects.  We teach them that at home.  The main reason we took
    them out was because of the garbage they were learning.  And they weren't
    learning the 3 Rs.  The private school proved to be the answer.  My 2nd son
    is a straight A student.  The other 2 not quite so good.  All things
    considered, it was the right decision for my family.  I am so glad we have
    the freedom in America to make the decision, although I can see this freedom
    is being eroded away in the name of what others call "freedom".

    Message: 67972
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/sans kids
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 15:37:00

    I see you received the handcuffs and leg irons I sent.

    Message: 67973
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: prior GT
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 15:38:41

    I just came from rehearsal and found out that the performance will not be at
    Gallery X.  It will be at the Performance Theatre, NW corner of Third Street
    and Moreland and starts at 8 P.M.

    Message: 67974
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob Thornburg
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 15:43:50

    Re:  teach religion at home.

    I hope that you do not tell you children that unless they believe as you do
    they will be punished forever.

    You can warp a young mind with such statements, as a young, partially
    unformatted mind, especially when ones own children are involved can take
    things like that seriously.  Carrying untruths around through life can
    affect others.

    People who do tell their children such rubbish should be locked up for
    treatment, don't you agree?

    Message: 67975
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 15:54:57

    Rod, you are the ONLY one I ever had heard that from.  NO one ever told me I
    would be punished forever if I did not believe in whatever they were
    preaching.   From what I see, it is YOUR warped imagination of what
    Christians are all about..... And you are WRONG!

    Message: 67976
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roseannarosannadana
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 16:14:21

    Which is worse, telling a child that there exists in the scheme of real
    life a place of eternal punishment or singing the National Anthem off key
    and then spitting on the ground?

    When freedom of expression is made a punishable offence then I am heading
    for the hills.  When it becomes a crime to go around with anything other
    than a smile and a praise for government rule then this nation will have
    equalled Germany of the Nazi era.

    Showing disrespect to a nation by telling a neighbor what you feel is one
    thing and doing it on national television is another but both are
    legitimate forms of expression.  I respect Roseanna for that and only wish
    I had some free 'air time' too.

    Roseanna for President.

    My only regret is that she didn't also have a US flag to burn at the same
    time.  Perhaps she can be likened to Paul Revere of so long ago.

    Or didn't you know that Hitler survived, had escaped to South America only
    to have plastic surgery, a face life, and a heart transplant.  Now he is
    President of the United States and is trying to get his old crony Joseph
    Goebbles installed on the Supreme Court.  Of course Goebbles now goes under
    the name of David Souter but the face life didn't take so well.

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