### Apollo BBS Archive - July 3, 1991

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 17:01:16

    Hey, cool!  My first slogan in print!  Yeah, I just got a message from Peter
    about putting some of my stuff there.  I want to try and get a book (yeah, a
    REAL book) done this summer.  My mom knows someone that could do the
    techincal stuff (binding, etc) but I have to come up with what I want to go
    into it, the art work for the cover, etc.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I'd like to do a book also but I don't know about, by this summer, though.
     2:It is something I keep in my mind, before I croak.
     3:
     4:We will make up and distribute buttons and by which slogan is desired the
     5:most, tee shirts will be made.  The buttons are a test market sort of thing.
     6:
     7:My hottest button so far has been, "Smoke a Joint for Jesus" although I did
     8:get a few shirt orders for your slogan but that department is currently
     9:awaiting revival in the early fall.
    10:
    11:
    12:P.S.  Did you like my dog dick joke in the cos sig?
    13:It came from an old joke about eating a live toad first thing each day.
    14:CHOW
    15:                                Rod

    X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4884
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Critiques
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 17:08:30

    Hummm.  Is there a dentist in the house?

    (to get all the tongues out of your cheeks!)

    Message: 4885
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: The Vulgar Volga
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 18:11:30

    Heard today from a guy just back from a trip to the Soviet
    Union.... In the States we say "Fuck you!"  In the USSR they
    say (literally translated) "Step on your dick!"

    Now is that an insult or a compliment?!

    Public Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 76269
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Robber Barons
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 18:21:22

      In the summer of 1886, in the town of Cleburne, near
    Dallas, the Alliance gathered and drew up what came to be
    known as the "Cleburne Demands"--the first document of the
    Populist movement, asking "such legislation as shall secure
    to our people freedom from the onerous and shameful abuses
    that the industrial classes are now suffering at the hands
    of arrogant capitalists and powerful corporations."  They
    called for a national conference of all labor organizations
    "to discuss such measures as may be of interest to the
    laboring classes," and proposed regulation of railroad
    rates, heavy taxation of land held only for speculative
    purposes, and an increase in the money supply.
      The Alliance kept growing.  By early 1887, it had 200,000
    members in three thousand suballiances.  By 1892 farmer
    lecturers had gone into forty-three states and reached
    2 million farm families in what Goodwyn calls "the most
    massive organizing drive by any citizen institution of
    nineteenth century America."  It was a drive based on the
    idea of cooperation, of farmers creating their own culture,
    their own political parties, gaining a respect not given
    them by the nation's powerful industrial and political
    leaders.
      Organizers from Texas came to Georgia to form alliances,
    and in three years Georgia had 100,000 members in 134 of the
    137 counties.  In Tennessee, there were soon 125,000 members
    and 3,600 suballiances in ninety-two of the state's
    ninety-six counties.  The Alliance moved into Mississippi
    "like a cyclone," someone said, and into Louisiana and
    North Carolina.  Then northward into Kansas and the Dakotas,
    where thirty-five cooperative warehouses were set up.
      One of the leading figures in Kansas was Henry Vincent,
    who started a journal in 1886 called *The American
    Nonconformist and Kansas Industrial Liberator*, saying in
    the first issue:
           This journal will aim to publish such matter as will
         tend to the education of the laboring classes, the
         farmers and the producer, and in every struggle it will
         endeavor to take the side of the oppressed as against
         the oppressor....
    By 1889, the Kansas Alliance had fifty thousand members and
    was electing local candidates to office.
      Now there were 400,000 members in the National Farmers
    Alliance.  And the conditions spurring the Alliance onward
    got worse.  Corn which had brought 45 cents a bushel in 1870
    brought 10 cents a bushel in 1889.  Harvesting wheat required
    a machine to bind the wheat before it became too dry, and
    this cost several hundred dollars, which the farmer had to
    buy on credit, knowing the $200 would be twice as hard to
    get in a few years.  Then he had to pay a bushel of corn in
    freight costs for every bushel he shipped.  He had to pay
    the high prices demanded by the grain elevators at the
    terminals.  In the South the situation was worse than
    anywhere--90 percent of the farmers lived on credit.
      To meet this situation, the Texas Alliance formed a
    statewide cooperative, a great Texas Exchange, which handled
    the selling of the farmers' cotton in one great transaction.
    But the Exchange itself needed loans to advance credit to
    its members; the bank refused.  A call was issued to farmers
    to scrape together the needed capital for the Exchange to
    operate.  Thousands came on June 9, 1888, to two hundred
    Texas courthouses and made their contributions, pledging
    $200,000.  Ultimately, $80,000 was actually collected.  It was
    not enough.  The farmers' poverty prevented them from
    helping themselves.  The banks won, and this persuaded the
    Alliances that monetary reform was crucial.
      There was one victory along the way.  Farmers were being
    charged too much for jute bags (to put cotton in), which
    were controlled by a trust.  The Alliance farmers organized
    a boycott of jute, made their own bags out of cotton, and
    forced the jute manufacturers to start selling their bags at
    5 cents a yard instead of 14 cents.

    Message: 76272
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 19:48:10

    Re:  What happens if I move and get  new phone number?

    I don't know.  It's just something I overheard.  The person said they had
    made a one time payment to cover their touch tone service, and they didn't
    have to pay a monthly charge.  I should ask the phone company.  I thought
    maybe someone here would know.

    Message: 76273
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Carelli
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 19:51:37

    Re:  if he is trying to convey another message (like possibly his anger at
    the crucixion of Jesus, his dislike of symbolism, something he might share
    with the big G himself, or some other such thing) then his work would be at
    least more unique

    That's not the issue at all.  The public outcry was about the tax dollars
    that he used.  He can do any obscene thing he likes, but not with my tax
    dollars.

    Message: 76274
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 19:53:46

    Re:  It's obvious why I've never heard of it before.

    I never heard of "sun tea" until I moved to Arizona.  It is much better than
    the regular kind.  It seems to have a smooth or mellow taste where the other
    has a more bitter taste.

    Message: 76275
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 19:58:26

    Re:  They insist the letters are really an acronym for "Anti-Christ, Devil's
    Child," or, "After Christ, the Devil Comes."  These are claims which those
    in the music business scoff at as absurd.

    I have only heard the bisexual story.  Sometimes I think these other stories
    are generated by non-christian groups just to make the Christian groups look
    stupid.  And then some people are very gullible and will believe anything
    whether they are Christian or not.

    Message: 76276
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 19:59:52

    Re:  I was abused somewhat but

    Is that why your eyebrows look like that??

    Snicker, snicker.

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 76277
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 20:00:46

    Re:  But I'd get Daryl's help in writing it.

    I bet.

    Message: 76278
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 20:02:49

    Re:  I'll throw a shoe at you and withhold your cat food!

    Hmmmmmmm.  What kind of cat food did you have in mind?

    Message: 76280
    Author: $ Paul Carelli
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: #76273 - Felix
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 20:49:19

      Thanks for the information. I was not aware that tax money was involved in
    the issue.  I am glad someone posted something more than just a personal
    critique.

    Message: 76281
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean...Sigh!
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 22:26:31

            You just don't get it... do you?  The fact that there will be people
    that won't answer a call from a phone booth will leave the crook guessing as
    to if the people are really home or not.

            Also, where Caller I.D. HAS been installed (re-read this line Dean)
    harrassing type calls fell off greatly!

            If Sandy's car breaks down (???  My cars don't do this by the way)
    she will use a code to call.  I have done this before...  I know another
    person (not a BBS user) who only answers calls if you know how to ring him.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76282
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cat on Fill cmd
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 22:31:49

            Well, I see you had a (TAB) or spaces character in there...  You
    need to edit them out....   I did it for you this time...  (Grump, Grump)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76283
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Crucifix is sacred?
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 23:03:00

    Seems it should be profane.  Graven image, and all that.

    Oh yeah, that was the OT rules, and God said we didn't have to follow all of
    them anymore, just the ones we want to use to keep others from getting out
    of line.  But then again, God is unchanging, so must have always meant that
    we didn't have to follow those rules...

    Message: 76284
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sacredness
    Date: 07/02/91  Time: 23:10:17

    Attention, Christians!  In my faith, we hold sacred cathode-ray tubes which
    are used to display information from computers.  Unless you are trained in
    the mysteries of my church, you are performing sacreligious acts when you
    turn on your monitor.  Please refrain from doing so *at once* or join my
    church (donations accepted).

    Note that you are welcome to use your computer without the monitor.  You are
    also welcome to use the monitor as output for broadcast TV, cable TV, or a
    VCR.  Although doing that is held sacred by my neighbor's church, they are
    godless heathens and know not what is Truth.

    Since I expect this is the last time you'll be logging into Apollo (or any
    other BBS), I'd like to say "goodbye".

    Reverend Beauregard Jackson Culpeper Dog, Colonel, CSA, retired

    P.S. Those of you who use printing terminals are obviously not affected.
    Same goes for those with LCD screens.

    Message: 76285
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Serbian ambition
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 00:11:20

    Funny, not a single comment about Sarajevo.  But then, Yugoslavia is so far
    away I guess it has no importance whatsoever.

    Message: 76286
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 00:56:39

    Don't buy a Yugo.

    Message: 76287
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix/eyebrows
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 03:03:00

    My eyebrows started growing straight up in little points, like horns, when I
    was in my thirties, maybe.

    My eldest daughter, Christian Angelica, has similar eyebrows.  I have had
    professed Christians refuse to shake hands with me.  Of course I, as the
    true iconoclast I am, offer my left paw for shaking.

    If I could do a religion column, I'd probably do some quotes of Peter, Paul
    and Mary, the musicians and do my best to explain to people that we no
    longer live in those times.  I guess there must be comfort for some to hold
    on to all that is old, and seemingly safe.  Natural man.

    We are all really just geeks of life.  We can't even make a good world let
    alone a great one and that saddens me.  To be physically living in such a
    twisted wreckage of a civilization is most memorable but better to just
    remember than to actually live it.  I'll be greatly releived I suppose when
    I can bid adios to this lovely world even though I know not what lies beyond
    and I hope it isn't more lies.

    I was brought into this rat trap by my unsuspecting parents just as I have
    brought forth offspring.  Mother Nature takes command and there isn't a
    birth control method devised by, so called, modern medical science that is
    safe for the man or the woman and to do without, to deny those hormones that
    rush at times throughout our beings is to deny Mother Nature herself.

    Message: 76288
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: uhn
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 03:06:43

    To deny her is to go completely crazy.  Many a man and women engaged in a
    profession, a committed lifestyle that denies them the very essence of love
    making causes odd sexual behavior, to say the least.

    Yeah, my eyebrows started growing that way around the period when I started
    questioning my universe.
                                    Rod

    Message: 76289
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: graven images
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 03:16:26

    An icon of Jesus nailed on a cross is an object of worship and is not to be
    confused with graven images.  Graven images are those from other religions.
    Shiva is a good example as this is obviously a false religion as those
    people are ignorant of God and Jesus even thou they are the same entity and
    an image of God cannot be graven, can it?  So you see it is okay to have God
    around but not Shiva.  No way.

    By the way, I watched a local newscast this eveing and it showed how God
    saved Jesus.  It seems that Jesus was up in a palm tree when he touched a
    7200 volt wire.  He was nailed and the tree caught fire.  So there Jesus is
    in the hospital, all bandaged up and being interviewed by a reporter.  The
    camara shot is shared between Jesus and a plaque on the wall showing a cross
    and some cutesy words.  The man exclaimed that God had saved him and has a
    purpose for him otherwise he'd be dead right now.  That would be some kind
    of real trick though because if Jesus were dead then God would be dead.
    Graven images indeed.

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