### Apollo BBS Archive - August 5, 1989

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     1:Cliff, this evening I copied the 'JT' file, put it in an addressed envelope
     2:addressed the envelope, put several stamps on it and enclosed a check.  I
     3:will mail it this evening.       _rod
     4:end

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    Message: 5741
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 05:00:44

    You've obviously never used a Timex-Sinclair.

    Message: 5742
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Last....
    Subject: Timex
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 06:03:08

    Hey, buddy, Altair kicks butt!

    Message: 5743
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Computers
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:00:42

    I see there is no justice in this world! For the last two years I've heard
    nothing but how awful my Tandy 1000 is as a computer! Now I'm getting it for
    buying a Sanyo! I truly thought I'd never get teased again - but I see that
    was wrong. I should have bought a top of the line IBM and paid through the
    nose! Naw! I don't want one! This is top of the line and all I'd ever want
    ...... until better comes out that is! Cliff/Sandy -- PLEASE don't buy
    anymore new goodies in the near future! I will end up in the poor house for
    sure. Seems I want everthing you get! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5744
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dinner
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 13:29:43

    Why can't I come to the dinner and midnight swim?
                             Love Ya
                             Ralph

    Message: 5745
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/last
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 08:05:36

    You can come to a midnight swim at my house anytime baby! Trouble is ... I
    know when you go to bed and get up! --- godawful hours! Ha. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5746
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Computers
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 14:18:13

    Youse guys haven't lived if you've never logged onto a BBS using an RCA
    Cosmac single board computer.  That's what I was using when I first logged
    onto Cliff's new TRS80 BBS seven years ago.

    Message: 5747
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 18:34:02

    Only geeks used RCA telecomunication devices.

    Message: 5748
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 21:44:36

    You must have had several.

    Message: 5749
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: James
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 05:40:01

    How about bums?

    Message: 5750
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: computers
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 07:03:42

    Gee.......................Annie.................

    Will this new machine know how to spell??????

    See Y'aa..............
    Jeannie

    Message: 5751
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jeannie/last
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:19:36

    It will not spell any better than this computer does. (sob) But it will
    certainly look prettier. I'm counting the days. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5752
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Annie/last
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 11:46:36

    But, Annie, you told us all that looks weren't everything.  And, where's
    your loyalty to the poor, faithful pile of electronic junk that has kept you
    on line these past couple of years?

    Message: 5753
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 03:08:20

            Her loyalty is where it should be ..... on the "NEW" computer.
    One must always be ready to shed the old to make way for the new .....

    Message: 5754
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gary/my computer
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:28:30

    This poor, faithful pile of electronic junk I'm going to sell for $1,200!
    All kidding aside, I've loved this computer and it has done it's job well. I
    just want to go on to bigger and greater things and this one is limited. But
    one of the major reasons I did not buy an up-graded Tandy is Radio Shack
    it's self! The software is poor and scanty at best and none of the personnal
    knows one hoot about any of it! Also, the parts and the repair work is too
    high and you're at their mercy. I.E. One time I wanted to buy an up-graded
    keyboard on sale for $70 - a great buy. But then I found out the comverter
    that fit on the end of the cord cost $168. That to me, is false advertizing
    and I passed. They also are false on the software in general. They lead you
    to belive most of the stuff has been converted for Tandy - they just put a
    sticker on the cover and charge more. For one thing - it does not have to be
    converted because it's IBM compatable. Their software is so limited because
    they will not carry IBM. But the computer itself, I have no complaints at
    all. I bought from Cliff because I trust him - he will support me and give
    me help when I need it. Besides, he has the very same system and that speaks
    for itself. Wanna buy a good computer? Ha ha. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5755
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Sandy/last
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:29:53

    If that is the case - PLEASE tell me how I can shed this old body and face
    for new ones? Wish it was as easy as getting a new computer. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5756
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 08:25:40

    Re:  "how I can shed this old body and face for new ones?"

    Huh?  And all this time I envisioned you as a young sexy babe!
    Well, like Sandy said,
    "One must always be ready to shed the old to make way for the new ....."

    Message: 5757
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann's Computer
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 12:23:49

            The Good NEWs is Ann has bought a new Computer System!

    The Bad NEWs is it is not in yet....

            The Good NEWs is some of the parts have arrived (Monitor, Hard
    drive)

    The Bad NEWs is they sent the *wrong* controller card and it won't work.

            The Good NEWs is I called Mini-Scribe and they are Fed-X-ing out the
    correct controller card for the 42 meg (very fast too) Mini-Scribe.

    The Bad NEWs is Sanyo is shutting down this week for inventory.

            The Good NEWs is they were suppose to pull one out for me before
    inventory started.

    The Bad NEWs is Sanyo has not yet confirmed shipping of the 17+ one MEG AT.

            The Good NEWs is Ann is very patient.....

    The Bad NEWs is if she ain't...the PHANTOM ZONE for her!

            The Good NEWs for the rest of you is that this post is over! -

    Message: 5758
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/shedding
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 00:52:05

            Edward Gein is the one to ask about shedding skin. He did quite a
    bit of that sort of thing in Wisconsin .............

    Message: 5759
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/last
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 00:55:06

            Please disreguard my mentioning to you to disreguard the post in
    this sig by Cliff in my letter to you.
            Cliff's post was too cute to ZAP ........

    Now, on with life, heh?

    Message: 5760
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/young
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 06:43:21

    I am a "Young sexy babe"! In mind! (sob) -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5761
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: Sysops
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 10:20:52

    Bug!         Bug!       Bug!

    Message: 5762
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Ann's computer
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 11:40:12

    Somehow, I expected this.

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    Message: 2362
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: reality
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 02:31:08

    Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

    Message: 2363
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Roddy/spirits
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:03:35

    When one of those 'several spirits' take over and it's an Arnie type ---
    --- be sure and let me know. I'll be over. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2364
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 15:22:32

            ....... or in the shape of a 'VO' bottle .......

    Message: 2365
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: Just a doodle
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:25:12

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                    /  l \   \         / /  / /       /   / l  \
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                    /   \  \     /  /         \  \      /  /   \
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    Message: 2366
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 11:49:56

    Caption:

          Yummmmmmmmm...........Love them birdies!!!!!

    Message: 2367
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: that doodle
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 13:14:20

    Did that cat have a goatee?

    Message: 2368
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike/last
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:32:55

    That is no goatee - that's a collar. -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. How's the pool playing coming along?

    Message: 2369
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Art/cat
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 00:57:37

            Nice drawing, Ann.

    Message: 2370
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cat
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 06:04:12

    looks like the one you have.

    Message: 2371
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/last
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 10:17:35

    Neither Sandy or I have a cat. What were you refering to? Heh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2372
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: a poem
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 10:51:38

                                ODE TO MENTAL HEALTH
    The office is quiet and deserted.
    No life is anywhere to be seen.
    The one that use to be in there all of the time,
    Has turned sour pussed, cranky and mean.

    In fact, she doesn't even want to play any games,
    Or use the word processor, the data base and such.
    Police Quest, King's Quest doesn't interest her at all.
    Nor Gapper or Lode Runner does she want to touch.

    Everything has become so slow and tedious.
    Only 16 colors to work with - how tiring, boring and droll.
    If something doesn't come about soon and fast,
    She'll just go outside and jump in a hole.

    The ancient rack and the pains of hell could not be any worse,
    than the horrible torture she must go through,
    waiting, waiting, ever patient.
    An eternity - for 'you-know-who'!

    A patient person is not me!
    Won't you show a little mercy?
                                           Dedicated to: You-know-who

    Message: 2373
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: The last
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 10:53:08

    I only hope that last poem does not mean a trip to the Zone.
                          -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. I kept my PROMICE!

    Message: 2374
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: PRO MICE
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 11:42:05

    What do rodents have to do with it?

    Message: 2375
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cat drawing
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 11:42:23

    I hate cats.

    Message: 2376
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/OK OK
    Date: 08/05/89  Time: 08:42:25

    'PROMISE'! Is that better? XXOO -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:You could have made that drawing into a nice Satan.  Love that guy.
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    Message: 3302
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Cliffy
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 16:27:34

    Just in case anyone didn't know, Cliff can't take a joke.

    Message: 3303
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Toady
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 18:17:15

    Just in case anyone didn't know, Todd can't take a joke.

    Message: 3304
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 21:11:55

    I thought it was that Todd couldn't Make a joke.

    Message: 3305
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 23:09:36

    No, you're thinking of James Hawley.

    Message: 3306
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last two..
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 23:42:16

            No, No, Todd is the JOKE!

    Message: 3307
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 08/05/89  Time: 16:22:43

    Ha!

    Message: 3308
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 08/05/89  Time: 16:40:23

    Come to think of it...he is one too!

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     1:Okay, so now he is a member of this SIG and what in the hell does he have to
     2:say with his first post.  "Ha"......gee did that take you a while to type or
     3:what?
     4:end

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    Message: 282
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 13:20:02

    OK NOW DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

    Message: 283
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last few...
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 13:48:07

    Okay, it will be a go for the GT sometime on the last weekend of Aug.

    Afirmatitty!

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     1:        What if I'm dead?
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    Message: 60092
    Author: Jeff Carver
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Petrisko
    Date: 07/29/89  Time: 22:12:12

    Let me guess...he sent you a picture of himself, and asked that you do the
    same, because he likes to know who he's talking to (or some such).

    Message: 60093
    Author: Jeff Carver
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: pool safety
    Date: 07/29/89  Time: 22:21:39

    It is obvious that pools kill.  Since their function is trivial, rather than
    essential, it is clear that pools should be banned in the United States.

    Of course, when pools are outlawed, only outlaws will own pools.

    They'll have to pry my cold, dead fingers out of my pool when I drown.

    I'm the NPA!

    Pools don't kill people: substandard fences kill people.

    You can't hug your children with nuclear arms.

    I think there should be a one-year moratorium on the importation of pools
    into this country.  Domestically manufactured pools, however, are OK.

    Friends don't let friends dive drunk.

    Just say no to water.

    Safety first: wear a life preserver, no riding on the bow, please deposit
    empty containers in trash receptacles.

    Message: 60094
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on us guys
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 06:33:04

     God giving you us guys as users might have been His answer to a prayer for
    patience. That'll teach you! That's one thing you never pray for, unless you
    want yours tested!
     Too late for the sound mind train, I think. Maybe you can still catch the
    next one on lack of timidity. THen you can sign off as the "bold" Apollo
    Sysop.

    Message: 60095
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff on us
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 10:54:58

    If you were a Catholic - I'd venture to say, we are your 'Penence' for your
    sins of the past! Perhaps your Pergatory?! If so, just say your 'Beads'
    nighty for about a year and you will be absolved. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60096
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on "bold"
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:16:56

            I told you once God had it in for me....  (grin)

            As for signing off as the 'bold' Apollo SysOp, the closest I can
    come to that would be:

    *=* the 'Old' Apollo SysOp *=*

    Message: 60097
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on poor old Clif
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:20:51

            Pergatory!  ???   I just knew I should have buried you deep within
    the 'Phantom Zone'.  As for 'beads', I never play with such stuff.

    SysOp

    Message: 60098
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 13:59:14

    Re:  "Let's go out for a drink sometime."

    I'd love to.  I might have a large lock change in the near future.  Maybe we
    could get together for lunch.

    Message: 60099
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff Carver/Pools
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 14:00:42

    You have a good sense of humor.

    Message: 60100
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ANN
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 15:26:26

         In letters, Gacy comes across as quite sane.  Immediately after his
    arrest there was much talk about "split personalities", with Gacy claiming
    'Bad Jack' did the killing, and he (meaning Gacy) would wake up in the
    morning to find a freshly raped & strangled male corpse on the living room
    floor.  Gacy claims he buried the bodies because he wasn't going to take the
    rap for something 'Bad Jack' did.
         This claim is questionable at best.  Experts' opinions were
    inconclusive, and Gacy's lawyers wouldn't let their client take the stand.
         Interestingly enough, Gacy all but drew a map to the corpses with his
    last killing.  Whereas his first 32 victims were male prostitutes &
    runaways (for the most part), the last victim lived in his neighborhood and
    there were witnesses who saw him with Gacy immediately before the kid
    vanished.  (The kid went looking for Gacy, as Gacy had offered him a summer
    job in his construction business.)  According to Gacy, this was his way of
    setting up 'Bad Jack' to  stop the killing.  According to the police, Gacy
    got overconfident & sloppy.
          In any case, Gacy was convicted of multiple counts of murder, and is
    serving a multitude of life & 21 year sentences.  Gacy will never be
    paroled, no matter what Bush said in his dirty campaign tactics.
          I started writing to Gacy after running across his address in the
    "Celebrity Address Book" at the library. (He was listed right after Zsa Zsa
    Gabor.)  The fact he was a clown, paints Disney characters & other
    children-type paintings fascinated me considering he murdered young men.
         Gacy refuses to discuss the murders with anyone.

    Message: 60101
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Brown (Spaz)
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 17:09:22

            For those of you who remember Heather (Spaz) Brown when she ruled
    Apollo several years ago, and missed the July 23RD (Sunday) Life & Leisure
    in the Arizona Republic that she wrote "California steamin':By car to the
    Coast" as part of the Zonie Report from San Diego, I have posted the text of
    this in the [L]ibrary under the name 'ZONIE.TXT'.  It is listed there as
    well and if you forget the exact name, use the [S]earch cmd and enter the
    word 'SPAZ' as the search string, or Heather, or Brown....  etc.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60102
    Author: Darryl Green
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: 3-d
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 18:45:29

    We handle all 3-D camera sales at (602)968-9764.

    Message: 60103
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Storm
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 22:44:12

            Wow!  Lightning all over...  lost my phone for a while.  Had some
    real bad noise problem that I hope has gone away by now.  (Note: I am
    calling this Phoenix zone line from a Glendale zone line to test for noise)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60104
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: 7th B-Day
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 22:51:16

            Apollo BBS came on line 7 years ago (July 31st).. and it was born
    during a lightning storm as well....   Happy Birthday Tom R. Slone...
    Happy B-Day Apollo...

            Now do we go for 8?   This last year has been rough with me losing
    the store and all.  But I am pleased to say the crisis seems to be over
    financially, if we can just keep or get a few more good hard core users.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60105
    Author: Kenneth Tiernan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Petrisko/Gacy
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 00:37:19

    It shouldn't be all that surprising.  There are two primary factors in such
    a dichotomy (murder of young boys vs. clowns, Disney, etc.):

    One is the obvious possibility that such behavior was a deliberate disguise
    dictated by his criminal cunning.  If you are going to avoid conviction, you
    must avoid suspicion.  This was done by the selection of strangers as
    victims, and by appearing to be a lover (in the platonic sense) of
    children.

    A further possibility, is the well known phenomenon of the "Imp of the
    perverse."  What is more evilly perverse than such a contrast?
    Compare Gacy to  Jimmy Swaggert.

    Message: 60106
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/Gacy
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 08:02:27

    Thanks for the info. It does sound like he's crazy - unless it's all a show.
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60107
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Phone line noise
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 13:17:21

            I have called special services repair to have my line checked out,
    as there seems to be lots of noise since last nights storm.  Looking at the
    [U]ser log in the [M]ain menu has me believeing something is wrong.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60108
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: losing the store?
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 19:39:39

    I thought you gave it up!

    Message: 60109
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: line noise
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 19:40:13

    Whatever caused it, it had nothing to do with water.  It was probably a
    short to ground.

    Should be fixed by about now...

    Message: 60110
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Phone line
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 19:46:00

            There was a short to ground, had nothing to do with water....
    They are now fixed... One hell of an Apollo B-Day!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60111
    Author: Steve Hodode
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: anger
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 20:06:14

            If any psychologist or psychiatrics will tell you
    that angry people are dangerous,  then he should also tell
    you that anger is an emotion. Also that every emotion
    has a threshold trigger that when passed causes the
    individual to react to the external stimulus around him.
    That thru continual excitation of the threshold trigger
    an individuals threshold can be lowered to the point
    that he reacts to stimuli normally ignored. Therefore
    angry people can be created by the environment and people
    around them. Using these premises an angry person is
    reacting to a dangerous environment around him/her.
    So anyone can be made dangerous even if he/she is not
    predisposed to such  emotional reactions.

    Message: 60112
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff????
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 05:42:33

    "Hard core" users?
    Now you are looking for porn stars or something? WHat has Apollo come to?

    Message: 60113
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop.line noise
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 05:45:05

    No kidding! I tried yesterday morning and couldn't believe the garbage! THen
    I tried again in the PM, and had the privelege of talking voice with Sandy
    through the modem. Interesting, if not too clear. Glad to see that all seems
    to be well again in Apolloland.

    Message: 60114
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop Cliff
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 06:02:03

    Re: Line noise ... that must have been what was the matter with those two
    uploaded posts I put in the Pet sig. eh? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60115
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul on Hard porn
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 08:49:16

            No, No, No.....   Hard Core BBS-users... you know, ones who will log
    in almost every day and jump into almost every debate or mud slinging
    contest.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60116
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 11:09:07

    You need more Ev Mecham's then.

    Message: 60117
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Dean Hathaway...
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 13:40:49

            Just kidding....  No real "WAR" here, but just a quick post to let
    you all know that I got a 480 on my shoot this weekend...that is the very
    BEST one for me so far out of a possible 500.  I know Dean will question
    this, and tell everyone I am wrong.... but I can live with that.
            Paul may even say I had my gun in my mouth.... (grin)  Bit I can
    handle that one as well....

    *=* the 'VERY Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*

    Message: 60118
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Hung! ?
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 13:45:22

            I am surprised no-one has said anything about the American Marine
    that had been kidnapped, was hung by his kidnappers.  Should we just sit
    here and say "Oh well..." and let it go , or should we use our military
    muscle, and get 'REVENGE'?    Any input from our Washington user, Mr J.T.?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60119
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 15:36:11

    I disapprove of both kidnapping and murder.

    Message: 60120
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last on JT
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 15:52:35

            So we should do nothing is what you are saying.   Right?
    Turn the other cheek!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60121
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: murder and kidnappin
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 16:31:44

    I'm with JT on this one.

    Note that he DID NOT say that we should turn the other cheek.

    Message: 60122
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 18:37:06

    Looks like the Israeli's have their own form of Sheik N Bake.

    Message: 60123
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Blush!
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 19:22:38

            Well I can't blame the bird for this one.  I was testing a new
    keyboard on Apollo, and went though all the function keys...  Well the last
    one I hit was [F10] and that my dear users puts Apollo up to 120%
    ((SHIELDS)).  With that in effect, only SysOps can log in.  A feature I use
    when I am testing a new cmd on line and I don't want a user getting in
    before I do.  Anyway, the key board test went okay, but... I forgot to put
    the ((SHIELDS)) back where they belong, at 10%.  Sigh!   Blush!  Sorry!
    I see this got Bob Thornburg and Robert Simpson.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60124
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Steve
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 19:58:42

    I know it's probably an old fashion idea, but People can control their
    anger.  One does not have to lose his temper.

    Message: 60125
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 20:01:11

    Re:  "Should we just sit here and say "Oh well..." and let it go , or should
    we use our military muscle, and get 'REVENGE'?

    I vote for 'REVENGE'!

    Message: 60126
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 20:02:45

    Re:  "I see this got Bob Thornburg and Robert Simpson."

    And here I thought you were doing something intelligent!

    Message: 60127
    Author: Wendell Jones
    Category: News Today
    Subject: false-ads
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 20:22:31

    A federal judge has awarded 10.4 million dollars in damages to Alpo
    Petfoods after ruling that Ralston Purina made false advertising claims
    touting the benifits of its Puppy Chow.  Ralston said its Puppy Chow diet
    helped reduce the indidence of degenerative joint disease and canine hip
    dysplasia, which is incurable.
       "With the exception of Ralston's own faulty research, there is no valid
    scientific support for the proposition that the nutritional balance in a
    dog's diet can affect" hip joint conditions, U.S. District Judge Stanley
    Sporkin said in a 54 page ruling.
    Sporkin also found that Alpo made false claims when it advertised that
    veterinarians preferred its
    product 2-1 over the leading brand (made by Ralston). Sporkin said the
    firm "lacked substantiation" for the assertion, which was based on a company
    survey.  Sporkin didn't order Alpo to pay damages, but he enjoined both
    firms from engaging in false advertising.

    Ralston spokesman Patrick Farrell, who claimed that the judge failed to
    grasp the facts, said that the decision would have "a chilling effect on
    corporate research" if allowed to stand.

    Sound at all familiar?

    Message: 60128
    Author: Wendell Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Whither weather?
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 20:26:44

    Hurricane Dean, which will develope presently near the Cape Verde Islands,
    will move northwest to strike the southeast coast of the U.S. around August
    23.

    Message: 60129
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hostage solution
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 21:44:01

    Here's how we get all our hostages back:

    Dear Muslim Terrorists:

    Return all hostages within 48 hours or we nuke Mecca.

    Sincerely,

    USA

    (It'll work, believe me.)

    Message: 60130
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 21:48:21

    I thought you weren't coming back to Apollo.

    Message: 60131
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hostages/Lebanon
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 23:05:11

    So, how come we haven't heard about these guys in the past 6 months?  I
    guess Bush was too busy banning assault weapons to care about some hostages.

    Anyway, why don't we do like the Soviets (yup, the did SOMETHING right):

    When they had a few of their people taken hostage in Lebanon a couple of
    years back, they found out who was directly involved (not as hard as you
    might think), and grabbed a bunch of family members of those who had
    participated in or lead the hostage taking efforts.  They grabbed about
    three times as many of the family members as Soviet subjects that were
    kidnapped.

    THEN, they started torturing those family members, and let this information
    be widely known in the fanatic circles in Lebanon.  The Soviet subjects were
    promptly released, upon which the Soviets released the SURVIVING family
    members they had grabbed.

    THEN, (yes, it gets better) using information from the now-released
    hostages, they tracked down most of the hostage takers and had them
    assasinated, leaving only a few participants in hiding to retell this story
    from their side.  Needless to say, we haven't heard of any Soviets taken
    hostage lately.

    Hmmm.....maybe the Israeli's are really being very civilized about this.....

    Message: 60132
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Hanging
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 01:34:31

    Obviously the terrorsits have won both rounds 1 & 2.

    Not only have they achieved national and international news media
    attention, they have everyone MAD, ANGRY, and DISGUSTED.
    That's exactly what they wanted. Just like a little child aggrivating
    the parent into a mad spite of anger over the childs actions.
    The Kid just wanted some attention *AND* a reaction. Well, they got it.
    Amazing. I thought these Apollo users were supposed to be immune
    to acts of terrorism and its tactics.
    WHat should we do?
    Tough question. My standards of morality will undoubtably conflict with
    many, including the whitehouses's.
    A quick fix is to "Nuke them until their scarabs glow". WHat will this
    achieve? Wolrd peace? I doubt that. The French will probably post
    a protest..the whole European consortium of wimps will ban Americans
    from travel and Russia will stop advances in Glasnost if we Nuke 'em.
    I have a better idea. Build a 900 foot steel & concrete wall around
    these countries that engage in such tactics and blow everything out of the
    sky and water that enters INTERNATIONAL space.
    Quarrantine their holier than thou assetts.
    Exclude them, with extreeme predjuduce, from the international community.

    They'll be begging to emmigrate before the wall is completed.
    -Greg

    Message: 60133
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Cliff's score card
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 01:47:14

    Great going, I wonder what range?
    There's a CWO3 in my area that was a Korean war Sniper who claims
    he killed 3 men at 700 yards with a .30 cal carbine. After that,
    he says, his C.O. appointed him to warrant and he was given the task
    in conjunction with working for C.I.A agents, of Battallion Sniper.
    Mike Claims his score at the range is slightly below average, and
    doubts that it has any conflict with his claims due to his age.
    I'm outta here in 3 weeks. Tektronics in Oregon picked me up for a little
    over $2.50 / hr on what I'm receiving from Uncle Sam now as a G-12
    with the U.S. Govt. Perhaps I'll log in long dist...although it may be
    quite some time before I can do that as I'm considering purchasing a house
    and that will be an enormous step for me. I'm selling off my computer
    to the "boss" at work and wont have anything to communicate with
    until I purchase another. (The money will come in handy).
    Well, I'm in good spirits and I hope Oregon will be a little more
    hospitable as far as cops are concerned. (I'll be FIGHTING the ticket
    comes next Wensday).
    I was told that if the cop who issued the ticket doesn't show, I'm off.
    I'd rather FACE the sucker. I'd like to hear his testimony. I know I'm
    innocent and will fight!!
    54mph baloney!
    With Extreeme PREDJUDICE, -Greg Chambers

    Message: 60134
    Author: Ed Brace
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taranto/60119
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 02:17:02

    It occured to me that James Taranto was uncharacteristically reticent in his
    comment.  This puzzled me, until I realised that he was simply emulating his
    political masters, and their art of ambiguous rhetoric.

    When asked what he thought of the current crisis, and (implicitly) how we
    should respond, his reply was "I disapprove of both kidnapping and murder."

    Interestingly enough, this statement can be interpreted two different ways
    depending on your viewpoint.  Those who condemn strong action and who
    condemn Israel will interpret it as a form of disapproval of Israeli action
    and, in fact, any retaliatory action which the U.S. might take outside of
    the normal channels of law.
    However, if popular sentiment eventually proves to be in favor of Israel,
    and in favor of strong, necessarily unconventional action by the U.S., he
    can always say that his statement refered to the actions of the terrorists,
    who, after all, kidnap and murder as a matter of ordinary operating policy.

    Perhaps Mr. Taranto would care to elucidate his position.

    Message: 60135
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/hard core user
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 05:49:13

     Does that mean that you really do love me after all?

    Message: 60136
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/480
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 05:50:37

    480 out of 500?
    You mean that you wasted 20 shots?
    Tch, tch, tch!

    Message: 60137
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Lebanon
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 05:58:08

     I think it's about time the wimps and gutless wonders who run this country
    said "ENOUGH!" to the bands of hoodlums in the third world countries.
     My idea is simply this, and we have the fire power in place to do it.
     Have a bomber flyover of every Muslim temple in the country of Lebanon, and
    one over the city of Beirut every 15 minutes around the clock. WHile we are
    doing this, inform the Lebanese that they have exactly 24 hours to release
    every American hostage within their borders, or their beloved country
    becomes a parking lot. THen, should they resist the order, show them that
    the "great Satan" is a country who keeps it's word.
     I am so sick of hearing about good Americans sacrificing their lives for
    causes so far removed from anything relating to our way of life that I
    almost hate to pick up the morning paper any more.
    It's about time to show these terrorists that they are messing with the
    wrong patsy, and if Wimp Bush & Co. won't do it, maybe we ought to get
    somebody in there who will. The hell with all this diplomacy crap! You can't
    negotiate with animals! Why try? The only language they understand is a
    bigger club. Let's use one! NOW!

    Message: 60138
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Wendell Jones
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 06:01:20

     Is this the same Wendell Jones who works (or used to) for Frito Lay's?

    Message: 60139
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/kidnapped
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:07:40

    I think we should use our 'Political muscle' - not a military one! That is,
    if we HAVE any political muscle! I also don't believe in 'Revenge'. It
    usually backfires. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60140
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James/Sheik N Bake
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:14:39

    Now that was very funny! Did you make that up yourself? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60141
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nuking
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:17:11

    I hope all of you were joking when you said we should Nuke that country for
    the kidnapping! -=*) ANN (*=-

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    Category: Bulletins
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    Message: 60143
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul on Love?
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 10:19:56

            I am not sure 'love' is the word I had in mind...but yes, in so many
    words.....  (Grin)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60144
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 20 shots...
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 10:32:03

            Heck no, If I had wasted 20 Shots the score would be a lot lower.
    Fact is, I did not hit the silhouette exactly right.  Remember this is
    defensive shooting from differant angles and distances in a very few
    seconds.   Example... In one we have to drop to the kneel and shoot two to
    the body in 2 & 1/2 seconds.  Then you have to hit within an area for ten
    points, another might get you a nine, and another a seven... or a ZERO.  You
    do not have a black bulls eye to shoot at.  Most bad guys refuse to wear
    them anyway.
            In another one we have to shoot two, then do a total reload and
    shoot two more.  You have 12 seconds to do this in...  And you must
    have good hits to get any points.
            This is not a slow fire course where you have pleanty of time to
    take a good aim.  This is combat/defensive type shooting.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60145
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: kidnappers/murderers
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 11:44:29

    I don't want to nuke Lebanon, I'd just like to get all of those Hesbollah
    fanatics all kneeling on their prayer rugs facing east and put a .357 slug
    in the backs of their heads.  That's my political statement.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 60146
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Terrorism
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 17:34:46

    I agree with Kielsky.  To the extent possible, I favor a strong, brutal
    response to those who commit acts of terrorism.  I applaud Israel's
    actions.

    Savage, however, is proving as true to his name as his namesake, Rep. Gus
    Savage, D-Ill.  To call for the murder of innocent people is evil enough,
    but to call for the bombings of places of worship is downright satanic.
    If we are going to bomb Muslim temples to punish terrorists, then Moslems
    would be equally justified if they were to bomb Paul Savage's church in
    retaliation.  Perhaps they don't have the power to do this.  But surely,
    Paul, you are not suggesting that might makes right.  Or is it OK to kill
    anyone whose religion isn't the same as yours?

    Message: 60147
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: U.S. react/Lebanon
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 20:35:50

    Here is my suggestion:

    The U.S. needs to assemble approximately 12 teams, each composed of 4-6
    highly trained and motivated individuals.  Every individual on these teams
    is to have a seperate specialty in counter-terrorist action (i.e. weapons,
    communications, explosives, etc.).  These teams are to be independent and
    have no knowledge of the other teams.

    After thorough training and detailed briefing, these teams are to be
    dispatched with a few specific goals, to be carried out as best the
    individual teams see fit.  Such goals might include the assasination of
    specific targeted leaders, the apprehension of individuals for later trial
    in U.S., the locating and forcible release of hostages.

    The teams are to be very independent, depending on the U.S. only for an
    occasional infusion of funds to procure arms, supplies, transportation, safe
    houses, etc.  In addition, the tactics employed by the various teams should
    differ sufficiently to keep the enemy off base.

    The advantages to this approach are that few if any innocent individuals
    will be hurt, the U.S. can overtly disassociate itself from the teams'
    activities, the expenses will be trivial, the success should be great, and
    the teams' effectiveness should increase with time.  The disadvantage is
    that the teams will have minimal direct supervision (or micro-management).

    Message: 60149
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 22:54:50

       What gives you the idea that I would dispute your scores? They would only
    be in question if I considered you to be a liar, which I do not.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 60150
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean Hathaway...
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 00:28:50

            It was only a 'JOKE'......    Geesh!

    Besides, ask Sandy or call the school...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60152
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: War!
    Subject: Rag Heads
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 02:31:11

    According to local news briefs, Iran has little if any true government,
    few U.S. contacts, and those are very un-influential, a rabble army
    and very little organization.
    SO what we are left with is a few bone-heads "Bagging for money" any
    foreign diplomat ..preferrably U.S. since we don't shoot terrorists.
    They've gone from Hostages for demands to Hostages for Holy money..
    supplied by other groups who'll pay the individual(s) money to keep
    the hostage.

    My Question is why for the love of God, do we even HAVE an embassy
    or diplomats over there in the first place?
    That's like placing chickens in a fox pen. Is there anyone who can
    supply a rational reason , if not official reason for this?
    Here's the scenario: Here's 15 important men. We're placing them in
    your Government-less country to talk about peace. If you capture
    them we'll do little. If you kill them we'll send the 6th & 7th
    fleets over to intimidate you. If that doesn't work, we'll blow a few
    of your airlines out of the sky and then pay the living relatives
    60 grand apiece for the priviledge of doing so.
    If that doesn't convince you to stop grabbing hostages, we'll send over
    15 more and start again.
    Isn't that special?
    Test the Titan's on Tehran. Let's see if the Soviets applaud us then.
    -Greg

    Message: 60153
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Killing
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 02:40:13

    HEre's a moral dilemma for you majors in ACTION vs NEGOTIATIONS.

    Question # 1:
    Would, if the event dictated, you kill your wife of loved one to save
    the lives of ten others? In this action, you can argue it by the
    action of ignoring your wifes needs to take care of the ten..and she
    dies...something you considered. You have foreknowledge that if you
    attempt to save the 10, she will almost certainly die.

    Question # 2:
    Would you vote in a survey by the WHitehouse (HAH HAH HAH) [Consider this
    as if they *DID] to blow Iran into a large parking lot, no holds barred,
    total and complete annihilation to prevent and stem further and continued
    outbreaks of jet bombings, hostage taking and murders over a period of
    time?
    Would you vote (YES! Nuke the Rag-head bastards)
    or
    would you vote (No ! Try diplomacy again.......)

    Question # 3:
    Do you beleive that given the track record of diplomatic relations in the
    past, that a tactical and surgical strike on terrorist base camps will
    (A) Worsen the occurences of "terrorism"
    (B) SLow it down

    Message: 60154
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Continued from last
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 02:47:14

    (C) HAlt terrorism completely
    (D) Repeat history from the F1-11 bombing on Lebanon.

    Question #4:

    Do you beleive that the nation of Iran is composed of;
    (A) 80% ANti-American nationals
    (B) 100% Anti-AMerican Nationals
    (C) 10 % Anti-American Nationals
    (D) Your choice percentage here

    I beleive that:
    Question #1: I'd save my loved one.
    Question #2: Nuke them after they kill another hostage.
    Question #3: D
    Question #4: A

    So my last Question, #5 is:

    Is it justifiable to kill 100% for the 80% rotten eggs ?

    -Greg

    Message: 60155
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 02:49:10

    RE: Concepts of reality with burbon.

    He said if YOU have an aversion to reading your messages under the
    influence of alcohol, try reading them straight. Either way you
    get a "buzz".

    Message: 60156
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT/Terrorism
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 05:40:05

     If I read the terrorists correctly, and we followed the scenario I
    suggested, we would not have to drop one bomb or take one life.
     To date, all we have done is mouth words, and not very strong words at
    that, at least not to the terrorist mentality.
     However, if they could hear the roar of a hundred American jets flying over
    their precious homeland every 15 minutes around the clock, and were told in
    no uncertain terms that they had X number of hours of life left unless they
    released every American under their hand, I really believe that we would see
    some of the fastest Arabs the world has ever seen. I think that just the
    heavy threat of retaliation would be sufficient.
     In the final analysis, what have we to lose? Diplomacy certainly isn't
    working. If they believe in the heavier club rules, let's show them who has
    the biggest guns!

    Message: 60157
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:10:39

    That wasn't what you said the first time! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60158
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: War!
    Subject: Gary on diplomats
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:16:56

    I too have often wondered why we have embassys in countries like theses.
    We're just asking for trouble. It would be safer to hold diplomatic
    relationships at a distance and not put people in a position for kidnapping
    and hangings. Iran needs to 'grow up' and if and when it aquires a sane
    government, then we can have physical contact. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60159
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:45:31

    Do you know what a Surface to Air Missile is?

    Message: 60160
    Author: Dale Wilson
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Savage/60138
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 07:55:09

    No.

    Message: 60161
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael Kielsky
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 08:12:52

    I liked your solution to the hostage/terrorist problem.  I would like to
    point out one big mistake though.

    Re:  "the apprehension of individuals for later trial in U.S."

    Most of our courts today are a joke.  There is very little justice if any.
    Even terrorists could buy their way to freedom.  History, even recent
    history, proves this to be true.  You got the money; you walk.  You don't
    got the money; you do time.  Being guilty or not guilty usually has little
    to do with it.

    Message: 60162
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Personification
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 08:20:48

    All this talk about our politics in dealing with terrorist has caused me to
    think of a perfect personification.  Our foreign policy for dealing with
    terrorist and even other events is best personified in Gerold of the Wallace
    and Ladmo show.

    What more needs to be said?

    Message: 60163
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 15:35:40

    What you are advocating is that the United States become just like the
    terrorists, only on a grand scale.  In effect, you want us to take the
    entire population of Lebanon hostage, and threaten their murder if our
    demands are not met.  In the first place, this is morally reprehensible.
    Justice is not served by threatening the murder of innocent people.  In the
    second place, it is tactically foolish.  What if the terrorists call our
    bluff?  Are we really going to turn Lebanon into a "parking lot"?  If we do
    not, the message to the terrorists is that they have nothing to fear from
    the United States.  If we do, we have committed one of the worst atrocities
    in history.  Your plan only works if the terrorists do not call our bluff;
    if they do, the results will be disastrous no matter what.  And even if you
    plan were successful, there is no reason to think its effects would work
    forever; sooner or later there would be more terror, and we'd be forced to
    do the same thing again.  And eventually, one of the terrorist groups would
    call our bluff.  You really ought to sit down and think about the
    implications of the policy you are proposing.

    Message: 60164
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT ???
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 16:03:28

            So what is your answer?  Sit back and let them hang a few more
    Americans?  Or should we pay them a million for every American they don't
    hang?
            Why is it, we the most powerful country in the world let little 3rd
    world nations walk all over us, is this what we get for being civilized?

            Maybe we should just knock the snot out of them and be done with it
    as talking does not seem to work.

    Just a few thoughts... from your SysOp!

    Message: 60165
    Author: $ Ronnie Phillips
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: August OPEN HOUSE
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 16:34:29

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    Message: 60166
    Author: Tim Tam
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Hostages
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 19:32:16

    Naaaah.....what we really need to do is wake up and get out heads out of the
    sand....and behave like the superpower we are supposed to be. How many
    Russian hostages have been captured lately? Seems like we Americans (and the
    Brits and French) are the ones who are always getting picked on. When this
    country shows some muscle and actually backs up what it says by its military
    might, the hostage ordeals will be over. As it is, we are content by simpl|i
    saying, "Please give us back our hostages". Oh well, we still have a lot to
    learn, don't we?
    *-*Tim Tam*-*

    Message: 60167
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Prediction
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 19:38:13

    Message: 60128
    Author: Wendell Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Whither weather?
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 20:26:44

    Hurricane Dean, which will develope presently near the Cape Verde Islands,
    will move northwest to strike the southeast coast of the U.S. around August
    23.

    So, Cliff, how can we keep this from scrolling??? - Beau

    We will try Mr Beau - *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60168
    Author: Bob James
    Category: News Today
    Subject: trash and food
    Date: 08/03/89  Time: 21:34:32

    Two truckers, their faces hidden behind screens, told members of Congress on
    Wednesday that it has become common for trucks that haul fresh food to east
    coast supermarkets to return with a load of fresh refuse.  They estimated
    that hundreds of trucks a day "backhaul" baled municipal refuse from New
    York to Ohio along Interstate 80.
    "It's a dream commodity," one witness said, "because you're not responsible
    for anything."
    A photograph of trucks lined up at a landfill near Youngstown, Ohio, clearly
    showed some refrigerated units that run the other direction with meat and
    produce from Midwestern farms and stockyards bound for east coast
    supermarkets.
    "No one in my area can run them back empty and stay in business," said the
    vice-president of an unidentified trucking firm.  "We believe that as long
    as trucks are steamed out before loading, they are safe and sanitary."
    If trash cargoes are banned, he predicted (threatened), food prices will go
    up.

    Yep.

    Message: 60169
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michael James
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 05:40:03

     Yes Michael, I know what a surface to air missile is. I also know what fear
    is, and that is the main weapon of the terrorists. It is also the only
    language they understand. We are not necessarily dealing with well armed,
    albeit rational people here. We are dealing with a bunch of rag-tag,
    wild-eyed hoodlums. As a rule, they do not have access to such sophisticated
    weaponry, and it is dobtful that the government of the contries involved
    would support them to the point of launching missiles in defense of their
    "holy" cause. I think the government, in self defense, would put the
    pressure on the terrorist factions to release hostages, and quickly.

    Message: 60170
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 05:46:05

    Of course my proposal is morally reprehensible, J.T.
    But then, what would you call the murder of American citizens in order to
    make a point with Israel?
     It's sort of like dealing with the Missouri mule. You have to treat them
    with kindness and understanding. First, however, it is necessary to get
    their attention. To do this, you get the biggest club you can find, and
    whack them right between the eyes.
     If the only language a band of terrorists understand is the language of
    fear, that's the language in which to communicate with them.

    Message: 60171
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul/last
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 06:42:05

    But why would you want to kill (slaughter is more like it) hundreds of
    thousands of innocent people because of what some idiot terrorist group did?
    I say the answer is to take ALL Americans out of that country - stop ALL
    exports - all help in any way. Just maybe if their government suffers they
    will do something themselves - which is their responsibility anyway. I
    wouldn't be surprise to find that this country ships them weapons. And I'm
    sure we send them grain and produce.
    Boy. Am I glad your not the president! We'd have a nuclear war at the bat of
    an eye! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60172
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 11:35:23

    Specifically, what kind of military retaliation would you recommend?

    Message: 60173
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mecca
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 11:37:40

    After thinking about it, threatening to destroy the muslim's most holy place
    wouldn't be very nice.  I do, however, think a military strike on military
    installations would be in order.

    Message: 60174
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 15:38:54

    The murder of a few Americans is a crime of far less magnitude than would be
    the murder (or threat to murder) millions of innocent Lebanese.  The
    terrorists deserve to be treated with the same brutality that they show
    toward the innocent.  That means we need good intelligence on these people,
    so we can single out those responsible and deal with them swiftly and
    harshly.  Military action is also appropriate against nations that
    perpetrate terrorism; the attack on Libya in 1986 is an example.  I think
    there are ways to combat terrorism without setting out to kill innocent
    people.  If there were not, the answer would be to do nothing.

    Message: 60175
    Author: Jim Niven
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Britannica
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 21:30:06

    I was reading a short article in Britannica about the Coriolis effect.  I
    came across the following statement:

    "...the angular velocity of rotation of the Earth is a function of latitude
    (the velocity is essentially zero at the poles and it attains a maximum
    value at the equator)."

    Now aside from being redundant ("the angular velocity of rotation"), it is
    manifestly false.  Each and every point on the Earth has an angular velocity
    of 2pi radians/24 hours, or 360 degrees/24 hours, if you prefer.  It is the
    linear velocity which varies with latitude in this manner (objects on the
    equator must travel through a greater distance in the same time as objects
    at the pole, and therefore must travel faster).

    I thought I might convince the people at Britannica to give me a new set, in
    exchange for this information.  Alas, the edition I discovered the error in
    was printed in 1975, and subsequent to that time, the error has been
    corrected.

    Message: 60176
    Author: Jim Niven
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hezbolla
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 21:32:53

    Gosh, what a surprising developement.  We poise our warships off the coast
    of Lebanon and the Hezbolla kidnapper/terrorists decide to "have mercy" on
    the kidnap victim who was to have been executed.

    Message: 60177
    Author: Beth Schatz
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Computer items sale
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 21:39:04

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    ----------  --------  -------- --- ----- --------  -------
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    ----------   --------  -------- --- ----- --------  -------
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    Message: 60178
    Author: Beth Schatz
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Only love you can by
    Date: 08/04/89  Time: 21:41:28

                       THE ONLY LOVE MONEY CAN BUY!

          ... a pet that would follow you around, share your food,
    and as a bonus: maybe even talk to you!  A HANDFED LOVEBIRD!!

         What is a HANDFED lovebird, you ask?  A handfed bird
    is taken away from the parents at two weeks of age.  After that,
    it is fed by its human "parent" and so it grows up thinking it
    is a small human!  Handfed (not just hand tamed) lovebirds are
    so sweet you just have to see them to believe them.  All the
    companionship of a dog or cat minus some of the worry.

         Lovebirds are about 6" long, and come in a variety of
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    green, orange and black masked; and the bright yellow and hot
    pink (and rare) lutino.  They are very intelligent and can be
    taught to do various tricks, such as waving and giving kisses.
    I have several of the larger parrots; and the little lovebirds
    rank right up there with them in spunk and curiousity at a
    FRACTION of the cost.

                  Call 943-1181 for more information.

    Message: 60179
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: I Passed!
    Date: 08/05/89  Time: 14:13:39

            I graduated with 'Distinction' from the Intermediate hand gun course
    today within 9 points of first place.   (Yes, your SysOp took second place)
    (Better not piss him off unless you took first......  ha ha ha ha ha... Just
    a joke... I repeat!!!!!  * A JOKE * )

    *=* the 'Deadly, but harmless' Apollo SysOp *=*  (really just a Lover)

    Speaking of 'Jokes'... where is Todd!

    Message: 60180
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hezbolla
    Date: 08/05/89  Time: 20:41:27

    Isn't it amazing what 328,000,000 tons of warship intmidation can do?

    Bulletin Board command:JN

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

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    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press [A] to abort

    Message: 503
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last/shit
    Date: 07/29/89  Time: 22:04:15

            Good!  Then maybe you won't try kissing me.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 504
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 05:02:28

    Hitler used to eat shit.

    Message: 505
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/shit
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:05:12

    What's worse than shit? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 506
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ann, Answer!
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 11:24:10

            Why Ann, the answer is starring you right in the face.  Why it's
    "Rod Ka-ka".....  Worse stuff in the world, and you get it every time you
    read one of his posts!
            Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=**=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 507
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Shit
    Date: 07/30/89  Time: 13:17:44

    Do you eat what you shit,or do you shit what you eat?
                         Ralph The old shit

    Message: 508
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliffy on Ka ka
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 08:09:42

    Sorry my Sysop, but I must correct your spelling. It isn't 'Ka Ka' - but
    it's 'Ca Ca'! Like in 'Do Do'!' -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 509
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy on shit
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 08:11:29

    The true answer is ... 'Everything you eat turns to shit'! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 510
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 22:12:05

    Not true.  Swallow a small pebble.  Sift through your feces pieces for the
    next couple days and see what you get.

    Message: 511
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/31/89  Time: 23:17:35

    Why does that seem like an experiment only you would enjoy?

    Message: 512
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 03:52:45

    Not me, you must be thinking of some other pervert.

    Message: 513
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last on pervert
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 08:51:32

            Well, at least he does admit he is a 'Pervert'.....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 514
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/01/89  Time: 12:31:08

    Card carrying.

    Message: 515
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: All
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 06:24:01

    Shoot them all.

    Message: 516
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: ON ......
    Date: 08/02/89  Time: 08:28:32

    .... Rod! He's disappeared again. He must be shifting through his fecal
    pieces again! I can't believe I said that! Anyway - come on back Roddy goddy
                                   -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:        Did you know that if shit did not exist then neither would life as
     2:we know it.  Shit nourishes that which we eat.
     3:
     4:        Did you know that a ton of shit is worth more than a ton of gold?
     5:At least it is for the survival of the life on this planet.
     6:
     7:        Did you know that an alter of shit would be more effective than any
     8:other alter.  Think about it.
     9:
    10:        Did you know that I am outta here.
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