### Apollo BBS Archive - October 8, 1988

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    Message: 4421
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jeannie
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 20:47:44

    I don't live inland.
    I can breath much easier here than in Phoenix.

    Message: 4422
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rodd Williams
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 23:35:40

    About the same time you did.

    Message: 4423
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: The Current ote
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 02:40:43

    Shouldn't there be an miga choice?  Since Commodore doesn't own Amiga,
    they only own 49%, which is the marketing and customer support (hahahahaha),
    part of the company...  You say who owns Amiga, Amiga does of course....  If
    you look closely at an Amiga you'll note that it only says Commodore on the
    FCC registration I.D. tag....

    Just wondering...
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    Message: 4424
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: smog
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 03:07:30

    Pollutants of all types have increased in Phoenix over the past several
    years, primarily due to increased traffic and insufficient freeways. In the
    summer this is far less of a problem than in winter, since we experience a
    temperature inversion during the coldest months. During those months, the
    smog in Phoenix is frequently worse than that in Los Angeles.

    Message: 4425
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: smog in L.A.
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 04:40:25

    I was over there a couple of months ago, and you could see forever.
    It's a rare day in north Phoenix when you can even see South Mountain, or in
    west Phoenix when you can see the White Tanks.
    Both of these were plainly visible anytime 10 years ago.
    (Cough, sputter, hack)

    Message: 4426
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rodd on Tod(d)
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 04:41:40

    He picked up the extra D when he dropped the a.
    Oops. Sorry, but I just couldn't resist.

    Message: 4427
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Toad Reese
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 08:53:07

    What about Jeannie's jugs and box? Did I miss something?
                       =*--ANN OHDIN--*=

    Message: 4428
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Burkhart/breath easy
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 13:25:45

            Yea, that's because all of your creditors are in Phoenix.

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     1:        Shouldn't she be in a bottle?  What happens when you rub the jug?
     2:Do you get three wishes?
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     1:        I received, this day, a Summons for Raedonna Ackerman to appear in
     2:Superior Court, Jury Room.  Failure to appear may subject her to penalty.
     3:        Woooopppeeee!
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    Message: 1040
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ode To Blue Cheese
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 01:08:04

    Nasty, putrid
    Growing fuzz
    Take a whiff
    And get a buzz
    Month-old blu cheez
    On my plate
    Getting older
    Looking great!
    Shall I eat it?
    Should I wait?
    Shall my cheez
    Decay on plate?
    I am such a
    Righteous dood
    I've got rotten
    Blu cheez food.

    Message: 1041
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 05:53:12

    Yummmmm, Goooood.

    Message: 1042
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Daryl/ode
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 08:56:32

    That was a cute ode - however, can you not think of a better subject than
    blue cheese for the theme? How about bananas? =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. How about a poetry/ode/prose Kontest? All the members would judge who's
    is the best.

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     1:        Can one really get a buzz from Bleu Cheese?  Bananas, I know about.
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    Message: 2103
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 23:39:55

    I don't doubt that there are people suffering.  However, I truly believe
    that everyone in this country has a good chance (note I said "good," which
    is not necessarily "equal") of bettering their lives, excepting the mentally
    ill.  (Although, many of them know they have a problem and know they can get
    help, but refuse to admit having a problem).

    Message: 2104
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Society...
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 02:36:08

    Who knows, most of the poor people are to lazy to work...  There are so many
    jobs out there it isn't even funny!

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    P.S.  Fuck you all, and have a great morning! (tm)

    Message: 2105
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: society
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 03:11:40

    Now I'm sure that society has gone to hell. Earlier this evening, I decided
    to visit Rod, and for the first time since I've known him, the front door
    was locked. I had to leave because I didn't want to knock and wake anyone.
    How depresssing.

    Message: 2106
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 13:31:39

            I are mentally ill.

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     1:        The front door of the computer room?  Don't you have a key?  I'm
     2:sure I gave you one.
     3:Oh well, and I had some good LSD I wanted to share.
     4:end

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    Message: 54515
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 20:45:54

    Good idea -- from now on, when we disagree with Paul, we can make fun of his
    former alcohol problem.  Anytime we disagree with Dean, we can mention the
    Wesson Oil.  And anytime we disagree with you, we can metion your failed
    business.
    Good trend.

    Message: 54516
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oil. . .
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 21:58:36

    Can we let that drop already?  It's been four years!

    (Personally, next time, I'll insist on Redi-whip.)

    Dean

    Message: 54517
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff - #54506
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 22:40:55

    If the ules still apply, doesn't your comment concerning an unpleasant
    part of Paul's past violate rule 4?

    Message: 54518
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 22:42:40

    Not that I'm jumping anyone's case, or anything like that. Just asking a
    question. To insist that the ules still apply, wouldn't it be good
    practice to follow them? Just my opinion.

    Message: 54519
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/07/88  Time: 23:41:50

    Mind your own damn business.

    Message: 54520
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: David
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 00:29:51

            I still am in business... I doubt Paul will last 8 years....  Never
    if he had to pay a landlord a grand a month....
            Hawley, Rude you say... he is the one who said he would pray for my
    drinking problem... He has me condemed... that is what I call rude and
    looking down his long nose ....  Only Paul is able to judge people on one
    event. ( I thought Christians did not judge people...oh well... )
            David...want to buy a computer SYSTEM....???  Try me, and you will
    see if I am in business or not!  In fact, next Thursday I have to go to
    Sanyo School for their new products....  And a seminar on Houston Plotters.
            J.T.  Well shut up already!  Who asked you!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    P.S. Westfall....  You are correct, but we are having a friendly fight
    here...so bug off!

    Message: 54521
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 01:05:52

    Fine. I will.

    Friendly fight. Those two words go together like military intelligence.
    Whoops, sorry. I forgot. I'm supposed to be bugging off.

    Message: 54522
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last?
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 02:22:46

            You know we are just kidding...don't you?

    Message: 54523
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last few...
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 02:33:19

    NO! We thought this was the beggining of world war three!

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    Message: 54524
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 03:00:07

    If I didn't know better, I'd swear this was the Apollo of 4 years ago.

    Message: 54525
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Clifford
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 04:30:06

    In the first place, in case you weren't aware of it, there is quite a
    difference between the application of the word ass, which usually refers (in
    conversation) to an animal considered rather stubborn and not altogether
    bright), and asshole, a crude, vulgar term describing the anal orifice,
    usually considered a rather basic insult).
     Secondly, I am not the one who referred to himself, as you did in the COS
    SIG as "drunk as a skunk" or something like that. To compare your occasional
    bender now with a problem I was able to overcome by the grace of God some 16
    years ago is akin to graverobbing.
     My rather close affiliation with alcohol all those years ago has given me
    enough insight into the problem to let me help quite a few others deal with
    their bout with the same problem.
     And yes, I would pay you for every time you can show me the word asshole in
    the Phoenix Gazette or Arizona Republic. It is still disgusting, even when I
    have to type it to explain your ignorance, and has no place on a family
    section of this BBS. At least that's my vote. I know my grandaughters hear
    much worse on Apollo's campus, but they don't have to have my blessings on n
    it by reading it here, thank you.

    Message: 54526
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/trespass
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 04:34:11

    I only vaguely remember the incident, but I believe that the demonstrators
    were blockng the entrance to the Federal bldg., and hindering people from
    going in, which is a violation of the law, and not a peaceful assembly,
    which is covered by the constitution.
     As to the bldg. being our property, that may be true, but so is the
    Pentagon, and you could get shot if you're found in certain areas there.
     (And don't sweat the "war" with Cliff. I still love him, even if he is a
    foul mouthed drunk with a problem he doesn't want to admit.)
    (smile)

    Message: 54527
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: All
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 06:08:52

    I am so glad that everyone loves one another.
                                  Ralph

    Message: 54528
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 08:06:48

    Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

    Message: 54529
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fine!
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 08:48:25

    All of you really came through and cheered up the sysop! He ought to really
    feel good now!! Paul -- do you realize you are in essense calling Cliffy a
    'foul mouth, blubbering drunk'! Why, when you know that's not true? I would
    venture to say 99% of the people on this board take a drink now and then and
    are not drunks. Just because you don't doesn't mean we have a problem! You
    had the problem! Drinking is NOT a sin! Ease off a little.

    Re: the demonstration - I didn't know they were blocking the entrance, but
    even if they were - how come the trasspassing charge? See you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54530
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: This argument
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 08:49:30

    .... has all the aspicts of being as vicious as the abortion issue got!

    Message: 54531
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Russia
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 09:12:32

    What the heck is happening in Russia of late? Some MAJOR changes are taking
    place and for the better. I think it is the first small step towards
    capitalism. What ever is happening, is encouraging anyway. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54532
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Daffynitions
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 12:12:43

    Asshole: "Post" Orifice.  (Hence all the hard feelings.)

    Sorry.  Couldn't resist.

    Message: 54533
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: U.S. Propaganda
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 12:23:01

    ... Since the voice of the people is allowed to speak out,
    those in power better control what that voice says - in other
    words, control what people think.
      One of the ways to do this is to create political debate
    that appears to embrace many opinions, but actually stays
    within very narrow margins.  You have to make sure that both
    sides in the debate accept certain assumptions - and that
    those assumptions are the basis of the propaganda system.  As
    long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, then debate
    is permissible.
      The Vietnam War is a classic example of America's
    propaganda system.  In the mainstream media - the *New York
    Times*, CBS, and so on - there was a lively debate about the
    war.  It was between people called "doves" and people called
    "hawks."  The hawks said, "If we keep at it we can win."  The
    doves said, "Even if we keep at it we probably can't win,
    and besides, it would probably be too costly for us, and
    besides, maybe we're killing too many people."
      Both sides agreed on one thing.  We had a right to carry
    out aggression against South Vietnam.  Doves and hawks alike
    refused to admit that aggression was taking place.  They both
    called our military presence in Southeast Asia the defense of
    South Vietnam, substituting "defense" for "aggression" in the
    standard Orwellian manner.  In reality, we were attacking
    South Vietnam just as surely as the Soviets later attacked
    Afghanistan.
      Consider the following facts.  In 1962 the U.S. Air Force
    began direct attacks against the rural population of South
    Vietnam with heavy bombing and defoliation.  It was part of a
    program intended to drive millions of people into detention
    camps where, surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards,
    they would be "protected" from the guerrillas they were
    supporting - the "Viet Cong," the southern branch of the
    former anti-French resistance (the Vietminh).  This is what
    our government calls aggression or invasion when conducted
    by some official enemy.  The Saigon government had no
    legitimacy and little popular support, and its leadership
    was regularly overthrown in U.S.-backed coups when it was
    feared that they might arrange a settlement with the Viet
    Cong.  Some 70,000 "Viet Cong" had already been killed in a
    U.S.-directed terror campaign before the outright U.S.
    invasion took place in 1962.
      Like the Soviets in Afghanistan, we tried to establish a
    government in Saigon to invite us in.  We had to overthrow
    regime after regime in that effort.  Finally we simply
    invaded outright.  That is plain, simple aggression.  But
    anyone in the U.S. who thought that our policies in Vietnam
    were wrong in principle was not admitted to the discussion
    about the war.  The debate was essentially over tactics.
      Even at the peak of opposition to the U.S. war, only a
    miniscule portion of the intellectuals opposed the war out
    of principle - on the grounds that aggression is wrong.
    Most intellectuals came to oppose it - well after leading
    business circles did - on the "pragmatic" grounds that the
    costs were too high.
      Strikingly omitted from the debate was the view that the
    U.S. could have won, but that it would have been wrong to
    allow such military aggression to succeed.  This was the
    position of the authentic peace movement but it was seldom
    heard in the mainstream media.
      If you pick up a book on American history and look at the
    Vietnam War, there is no such event as the American attack on
    South Vietnam.  For the past 22 years, I have searched in
    vain for even a single reference in mainstream journalism or
    scholarship to an "American invasion of South Vietnam" or
    American "aggression" in South Vietnam.  In the American
    doctrinal system, there is no such event.  It's out of
    history, down Orwell's memory hole.

    Message: 54536
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rule 4/JT
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 13:34:55

            Yeah, doesn't JT voilate rule 1-10 about every time he logs in?

    Message: 54537
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 13:38:46

            Will you please pray for me?

    By the way, I went to a rummage sale at St. Anus this morning with my wife.
    The only thing I could find was a bottle of holy water (really it says right
    on the bottle, HOLY WATER).  It was about a quarter full.  I bought it for
    50 cents (what a deal).  Anyone out there needing any, please contact me.
    Cheap!  Cheap!  Cheap!  (I even blessed it in the name of the BOB)
                                    Rod

    Message: 54538
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Me
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 13:42:41

            When I was a kid in Ohio, we had a Donkey, but this bitch dog chased
    our ass in a hole.
            (cont.)

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    Message: 361
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Story
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 05:47:48

    Do you have the story in it's whole? if so I would like a copy of it.
    Thanks in advance.
                           The Old Fart Ralph
      PS Best story around.

    Message: 362
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: The sysops
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 09:05:16

    Thanks for the applause and encouragement. That is is reason the two of you
    didn't die in the story - your always nice! I also give Sandy a hand in her
    contribution to the story - it was excellent. Ralph has suggested that we
    get together and write a real mystery story. Perhaps someday when you have
    the time eh? However, I don't know how good my contribution would be if
    there is no blood, gore, axes and smells involved, but who knows! =*--Annie
    the ASSp--*=

    Message: 363
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Digger
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 09:06:34

    Thang, was of course, buried with me so that I can enjoy him through out
    eternity! I should have mentioned that on the tombstone. =*--Annie the
    ASSp--*=

    Message: 364
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Ralphy
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 09:09:46

    Thanks for the comment re: the story. Sorry you have to spend an eternity
    with JT - but that's what you get for calling me 'No spring chicken' however
    true that may be! Cluck, cluck, cluck! =*--ANNIE THE CHICKEN--*=

    Message: 365
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: story
    Date: 10/08/88  Time: 11:59:35

    Clap Clap Clap Clap!!!
     sad endings always make me cry!!

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     1:        Yeah, Ann, let's do a mystery based on lewd sex.
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     1:        Yes, I have the complete story in my buffer and if you want a copy
     2:please come over.  DOes anyone know the date it started.  Everything in my
     3:buffer is by date.
     4:        In fact, (except for a screw up or two) I have the last two years of
     5:Apollo on disk.
     6:        Everything is by date though.
     7:                                Rod
     8:P.S.  When I first started computing I had a C-64 and my terminal program
     9:had a 7K buffer(about 10 messages) but now I have a 600+ K buffer.  My
    10:Commie disks held about 175K and now I have 720K disks.  Thank BOB for
    11:progress.
    12:                                Rod
    13:end

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    13:P.S.  Take care you old fart, we love you.
    14:end

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