### Apollo BBS Archive - August 6, 1990

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    Message: 68331
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Nitrec/cost
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 03:08:41

    The salvation of Nitrec is a gift; only, you have to earn it by accepting
    Nitrec into your heart as your personal savior, and you have to repent of
    your sinful ways (like, the way you scoffed at Nitrec all those years).
    So, it's kind of like those free gifts you receive in the mail, where you
    have to drive a hundred miles and listen to some guy deliver a hard-sell
    pitch involving timeshare property; except in this case you must buy in
    order to get your *free gift*.
    It's all part of God's great plan.

    Message: 68332
    Author: Mike Lauson
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: steriods
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 03:43:53

    does anyone know enough about this subject to give some good advice on its
    benefits and the not so good effects it also has such as liver damage etc.
     Any help is sincerely appreciated
     Fact is i'm already buffed but i just wanna get that edge! In other words
    get huge, disasterous looking.....well enough chat.    Laterz

    Message: 68333
    Author: Rich Wojtasik
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: fags
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 04:20:40

    well i just wanted to say sorry for acting like an asshole. life has been
    preety hard on me, what can you expect... i just got outta jail and i'm use
    to sucking you know what...well sorry again *Rich*

    Message: 68334
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JB/Physics
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 09:56:19

    This is giving me a headache.  I don't think I really want to
    know this stuff.  Thanks anyway.

    Message: 68335
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: JB/Niterc
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 09:56:42

    I can't find "daicnud" in the dictionary.  What's it mean?

    Message: 68336
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Love
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 10:33:48

    I know of a lady that stayed with her husband for over 40 years until he
    died last year - never could figure out why she stayed all those years, he
    didn't beat her but the verbal abuse was terrible - she was (allowed
    herself) a slave to his whims. He was a sick man (emphasema Sp?) for most of
    those years - he couldn't do the work, so he had her do it whether she was
    sick herself or not. We knew her 10 years and in all that time she did
    nothing but complain - yet when he died, you'd think she'd be relieved, but
    certainly wasn't - told me she missed him and loved him??!! Now she is 70
    years old and free and taking advantage of that freedom in doing,
    decorating, going where she wants - but she still 'moons' over him and
    misses him. I'm puzzled as to why?! Is that love? If so, what kind? I do
    realize she's from 'the old school' where people stayed married no matter
    what. But for the last 20 years or so, she's lived in a modern world where
    she could have shed him quite easily and not lose a thing material wise or
    'face' wise either. Her kids certainly wouldn't have minded - he was hard on
    them all! (They were her kids from a former marriage where the husband got
    killed). I still ask - "how can you love someone like that?"
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 68337
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 13:42:39

            Users.... PLEASE ZAP old mail after reading it.   You don't leave
    old mail in your mailbox at home...so don't do it here!

    This is reposted...because the people this is aimed at seem to IGNORE the
    ules when It comes to mail.  So, before I mention names... DELETE your
    OLD mail!....  NOW!

            If the mail box over flows, then mail not yet recieved will be lost.
    So far this has not happened... but a few users don't seem to understand
    this can happen very fast when mail is left in the ost Office after being
    read and not apped.

            There are SEVERAL users who are doing this....   that adds up fast!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68338
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/love/lust
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 14:07:17

     Lust is one of the baser emotions, but it's not something on which to build
    a long-lasting relationship, that's for sure! And it's not really a
    pre-requisite to love, either. We can love another without lusting after
    them, and lust for another doesn't necessarily mean that we wold eventually
    fall in love with that person. So, really, they are not part and parcel of
    the same thing. Many, many marriages have gone down the tubes because they
    were founded on nothing more than a sexual urge. If that's all an individual
    wants from another person, they may as well go and buy some. There are
    plenty of meat markets around, and it would save two lives at least from
    ruination.

    Message: 68339
    Author: John Bergmann
    Category: In search of
    Subject: users!
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 15:42:30

    Call Orion's Castle BBS at 483-7088!
    Online games, messages, files, etc.

    24 hours a day

    Message: 68340
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: the Dunciad
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 17:20:16

    It isn't a real word reversed.  I think it originally was coined to refer to
    the "era of dunces", but I liked the way it sounded and decided to apply it
    to the book of dunces.

    Message: 68341
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: love vs. lust
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 18:23:36

    I'm one of those people that everyone always tells their darkest secrets to
    because they know I won't tell anyone else, so I've heard plenty of stories
    on these subjects. I can't think of a single case among all my friends where
    lust led to love, and in fact, not one of them ever spoke of being
    especially lustful towards the person that they professed to love. Instead,
    they were attracted to other people, all the while insisting how much they
    "loved" the first person, even, occasionally, when they were being
    unfaithful. It seems to me, at least among my young friends, that there is
    no apparent connection between lust and love.

    Message: 68342
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: astrophysics
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 19:53:23

    Here's something: use these formulae if you wish to calculate the orbital
    velocity of a body in circular orbit, given its distance from Earth, or
    vice-versa:

    Vo = K/SQR(r),

    where Vo is the orbital velocity in km/sec, K is a constant equal to
    630.517, and r is the distance from the orbiting body to the center of Earth
    in km.

    Consequently,

    r = (K/Vo)^2

    To use these formulae for other planets, stars, etc., as the center of
    orbit, multiply Vo by the square-root of their mass in Earth-masses.  For
    example, if you want to calculate the orbital velocity of a moon of Saturn,
    multiply the result (Vo) by the square-root of Saturn's mass in Earth-masses
    (Saturn is 95.2 times as massive as Earth).

    It works great.

    Message: 68343
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JB/Rest mass
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 20:32:07

    I don't think you ever confused them, if you know that already.  The way you
    were describing "increasing mass" or something like that early last week, I
    thought that there was room for confusion.  I didn't say anything, pending
    certainty as to your knowledge.

    Message: 68344
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JB/attraction
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 20:37:24

    Yes, everything is mutually attracting in a gravitational sense.  An Apple
    does exert force on the earth (and a Mac exerts even more).  When you are
    pumping iron, you are causing a miniscule shift in the gravitational field
    pulling on the earth.

    Note, however, that there are a serious number of zeros between the decimal
    point and the significant part of any such attraction.

    Yes, two equal masses, at rest with each other, would, given no other acting
    forces, accelerate equally toward each other and meet in the middle.

    Message: 68345
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Hell
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 21:25:36

            Please let me make a few points, because they are germane to this
    discussion.
            First, I don't want to convert you to anything ore convince you of
    any spiritual program. By the same token, please do not invite me to abandon
    my beliefs.
            Second, I cannot follow your thought re: teaching of hell warps a
    child's mind. Please read what I describe as Hell, and then reflect: abuse
    from a pervert, or rape of a young virgin, or death as portrayed in some
    chain-saw massacre movies (and many other instances) would be far more
    serious an attack on a young mind--just describing them, that is.
            Third, Hell is the absence of God, and it is not a punishment
    d upon a sensitive child--it is the choice of the individual. If he chooses
    not to accept God, he gets no God, Hell. If he chooses God, he gets God,
    heaven. The choice is always there, and it is the person,. not God, who
    makes the choice. (Similar to your credit rating: the credit bureau doesn't
    make it; you do. The bureau just reports it.
            If I had to teach my kids that there is no truth except
    scientifically prove, I would be a poor father, indeed! What of Love, Truth,
    Beauty, Justice, just for starts? God, Heaven and Hell are just as obvious,
    just as reasonable, as the tulip bulb and the Bird of Paradise tree.
            Please accept these as my positions, partly. Don't make up lies
    about me to attack, okay?     --John C--

    Message: 68346
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: All/Capturing
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 21:32:09

            Well, fellas, for the past three days I have struggled mightily with
    the damn Telix program, ruined four disks, (lucky I keep backups, and I
    don't use one without making another), and I finally "captured" about
    fifteen minutes of time on good ol' Apollo.
            But I can't make Telix read it back to me! And I can't use the
    "editor" part of Telix.
            So I jumped out of Telix and had DOS scroll it for me, but Ctrl S
    would not stop it, so I couldn't read it. (Only Annie and Clif read that
    fast!)
            So I dumped it on to the printer and got twelve pages of mostly
    garbage which I would not have saved, really.
            Mad Max, you're the authority who got me this far! Is there a way
    for me to read what I have caprured on the screen before I copy it to PRN?

    Message: 68347
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/paranoia
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 21:34:00

            I have also noticed that Rod seems kind of up tight and tense about
    the subject of Hell.  Could there be some paranoia there? He seems to have a
    concept of Hell that would make a chimpanzee scared, really.

    Message: 68348
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: All/love
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 21:39:24

            Just a comment on the sad and tragic picture that Jeff L and Sandi
    and Annie have pointed to: I have met several men (?) who claim that "women
    really like to be beat, and sex after the beating is the best!"
            I was raised in the same moral code as Jeff L., and the Mad Max and
    I share the same attitude. I have never struck my wife, and I think I would
    inject myself into the situation if I saw a man beating a woman.
            I can't explain those "men" I mentioned in the first graph, but they
    are there.  I also can't explain the women who go back to those men time
    after time, after beatings.      --John C.--

    Message: 68349
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: John C./Telix
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 21:57:43

    Here is the way I do it:

    There are two buffers in Telix; a scroll buffer which holds the last dozen
    or so screens you have scrolled through, and the capture buffer which can be
    of various small sizes; as soon as the capture buffer fills, it is stored to
    disk automatically to whatever filename you have designated (or the default
    if you have not designated a name, that being, I believe, TELIX.CAP).  Each
    time your capture buffer fills, that data is added to the cumulative file on
    disk.  When you close the capture buffer or exit the program, th file is
    closed.
    You cannot see what has been captured back beyond the point where the scroll
    buffer has filled, because the scroll buffer scrolls (that is, when it is
    full , new data replaces old data.)
    The captured data is not actually in memory anymore, it is in a disk file,
    so you must use a text editor to read it.  If your text editor isn't too
    large, you can use the shell to DOS command while online and examine the
    capture file.  This would be an enormous waste of system time, however.  I
    log off, and then load the file into my word processor.  I can then save
    whatever sections of it I wish.
    One more thing; if you don't erase the capture file after you are done with
    it, Telix will add to it, not overwrite it, the next time you use Telix to
    capture data.  You can concatenate a rather large file that way, and it's a
    pain in the behind waiting for it to load.

    Message: 68350
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: astrophysics
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 22:03:58

    Oh, BTW, the orbits of the heavenly bodies (as far as one can generalize)
    are ellipses, not circles.  But they are so close to circles that, if one
    uses the average distance of the orbiting body from the body being orbited,
    the formulae I gave are quite accurate for most purposes.  I calculated the
    Earth's velocity around the Sun using the formula, and then calculated it by
    dividing the circumference of the Earth's orbit by Earth's orbital period,
    and the difference was about 86 miles per hour.

    Also, and this is very important, the distance between the orbiting body and
    the body being orbited is measured from center to center.  This doesn't make
    much difference between two bodies like the Sun and Earth which are
    93,000,000 miles apart, but would make a big difference if you were finding
    the orbital velocity of a satellite, and used the distance to the surface
    instead of the distance to the center of the Earth (the Earth's radius plus
    the distance from the satellite to the surface).

    Message: 68351
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/thanks
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 22:09:04

    Thanks for answering two of my questions (and quite well, I might add).
    Now, can you help with the questions I raised in message #68315 and #68322?
    The questions involved the definition of force, the proximity of particles
    to one another, and so-called centrifugal force.

    Message: 68352
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John/hell
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 22:22:02

    I'll answer you in mail.

    Message: 68353
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Religion
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 22:22:50

    The Christian religion has its roots in the middle eastern countries.
    Jesus was a Jew and resembled the Iranians and Iraquai people.  The dress
    of 2000 years ago remains the dress of today in those countries.

    It is strange that the people of the middle eastern countries do not
    embrace Christianity, rather they are Islam, Hindu and Moslem or of a few
    other assorted beliefs.  Egypt with a population of nearly 55 million
    is 93 percent Islam with a mere 7 percent claiming Christianity.

    I understand why Mexico, the dark people are mostly Christian and that is
    because of the brutal Spanish conquerors and their maniac priests who
    together pushed a religion of control down the throats of the people.  I
    guess the people of Mexico thought it better to conform than to be
    tortured till dead.

    It is strange that in the world of today that the Christian religion is
    one for the white man and not one for the land Jesus was said to have
    dwelled in.  One would think that the effect would have been much more
    pronounced there than say, America or England.  All the Spanish ever did
    with it was to pillage and torture and put to death those that said
    something foreign to that belief.

    And in America and England this religion continues to be one of control of
    the masses aside from the huge profits that it reaps on a continual basis.

    Message: 68354
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Busy board
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 23:05:49

    I've only been gone nine days, and some of the messages at the beginning of
    my trip have scrolled off the system already.  WOW!

    Have to read this offline and respond to one or two items later...

         Gordon

    Message: 68355
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Kuwait
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 23:08:01

    From yesterday's paper:

         Mohammed Sadiq al-Mashat, Iraqi ambassador to the United States,
         read a government statement reiterating Baghdad's intention to
         begin withdrawing from Kuwait "unless a threat to the security
         of Kuwait or Iraq has re-emerged".

    How's that again?  A threat to the security of Kuwait?  From whom, I
    wonder...

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     1:Both you and Daryl seem to think I am paranoid of this hell that you
     2:Christians believe in.  Let me assure you that the more ignorant the man the
     3:more they believe in such rubbish.  If I feared this hell that you hang onto
     4:would I say things such as:
     5:
     6:        The holy ghost eats dead dog dicks.
     7:
     8:        God created AIDS by butt fucking Jesus.
     9:
    10:
    11:In addition, John, let me assure that if there was a pimp god as you
    12:describe and it tried to put ANYTHING in for punishment of any type, even to
    13:the point of ignoring (being without) what it created then I would pick the
    14:little bastard up my the scuff of the neck, spit in His face and rub it in
    15:the dirt.
    16:
    17:I am now shaking in my boots because I may have to spend an eternity without
    18:this god you speak of.  My, my.      -Rod
    19:
    20:Sure I fear hell and gee whiz.

    I zapped my previous mail to Cummings and replaced it with this:

    Mail to John Cummings
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 23:10:00

    Your and my belief systems are totally different.  My wife and I are
    currently raising seven of our eight children.  They are much to beautiful
    to have their minds spoiled by lying to them about an eternity of
    ANYTHING.

    There is absolutely no substantiation of what you believe in and why should
    I tell them this nonsense?

    Sure, they will see the flowers and some of the other beautiful things on
    and above this planet but just what this has to do with your belief system
    is beyond me.

    It appears, from what you express that this book, the bible is something
    that you read.  I have read it many times when I was checking out this
    countries religions.  But it is ambiguous to say the very least and at that
    I am being kind.  I would not show any of the garbage therein to my
    children as the entire affair is without any real substance.

    I refer to this book as The Babel because that is what it resembles, a book
    that bables without saying anything which relates to current mankind.

    No, I teach my children from the scientific viewpoint because at least
    there we humans know something.  Not a whole lot, mind you but volumes more
    than outdated, incomplete and confusing information which came from those
    living in the Middle East.  And today, the majority of those residing there
    are just as screwed up as they were two thousand years ago.

    I am terribly sorry that you are among those who have been brainwashed by
    this disease because in other areas you show intelligence.

    If you think for a second that I fear this hell you speak of I would be
    more than happy to demonstrate here in mail the blasphemies of blasphemies
    against your made-up deities in order to satisfy you.  But if you check
    with Cliff or some of the others you will see that I have done so many
    times in the past.

                                    Rod