### Apollo BBS Archive - May 29 - 30, 1991

    Mail from Bill Burkett
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 14:37:44

    > This evening I feel like my eyelids weigh ten pounds each.  I
    > had a busy day and now I must pay.

    Say goodnight, Rod.

    > You definitely are making a contribution to Apollo.

    Thanks.

    > Say, I'd like to borrow some of those books you mention.

    I can't for the life of me remember what books you mean.  Refresh me, por
    favor.

    And if I don't hear anything from you in a week or so re those files, I'll
    bug you again.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:The next four posts in this mail bag shall be what you asked for.  If you
     2:need more then let me know.  Thanks for the great clues.
     3:
     4:The book I wanted to borrow was of the 'one handed variety' that you
     5:mentioned when talking about your son who has, as you indicate, been around
     6:the sun twelve times.  What, pray tell, does the number of times a person
     7:has been around the sun have to do with anything that is real?
     8:
     9:Enjoy......and the other posts you mentioned will be forthcoming by this
    10:same media.               Rod

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    Message: 4791
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 05/28/91  Time: 23:05:52

            Is it true that there is another 'Williams' kid in the hopper?

    I never thought of you as 'Impotent' Rod....  Everything else maybe but
    never that.... ha ha ha ha

    Message: 4792
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Cliff on Rod
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:05:11

    As far as me be happy/unhappy - I am probably one of the most happiest
    people you know.

    I do not put down Christians to spoil their joy. How can a true Christian
    have his joy spoiled by anyone for one thing? I am always curious as to how
    and why people have came to the belief's they have.

                               *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4793
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Don on Rod
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:15:13

    What is my point? I just don't think Rod is far from the truth most of the
    time and I'm not just talking about Religion. Most people just hate to have
    their 'belief's' jarred - whether it's their religion or way of life, etc.
    etc. Because of it, arguments with Rod are usually reduced to name calling -
    him too because he had to retaliate with something because everyone else
    can't argue with him successfully, so they start the name calling and pretty
    soon it's slinging all over the place.

    We, as so called civilized humans, tend to sugar coat 'the way it is'
    sometimes. Rod does not. I'm not saying he does not go over board sometimes
    on the negativity side, but usually what he says is the truth. People ARE
    starving, ARE at war with their neighbors, Christians ARE not acting like
    Christians, Christians are STILL fighting other Christians in the name of
    God, etc. etc. Rod does not just talk about religion/God. Yet it seems that
    everytime he opens his mouth about any subject, people right away start
    cutting him down without a thought to what he is really saying.

                                *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4794
    Author: $ Sandy SysOp
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Rod?
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 17:06:03

            Whose 'hopper' are we talking about?

    Message: 4795
    Author: $ Don Hicks
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Ann about Rod
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 19:16:03

    I guess I have to agree with you on that one.

    -Don >++:)

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     1:I am not now, nor have I ever been pregnant.  Neither is Jasmine.  However,
     2:I just may have a girlfriend or three with child.
     3:
     4:Any volunteers?
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     1:My head stays pretty much in the Cosmos.  Somewhere in my life my brain got
     2:stuck on trying to figure out the BIG questions.  I have little bits, here
     3:and there, of the puzzle but I'm still somewhere on square number 1.
     4:
     5:Often times I think about physical death and the mysteries therein and I
     6:become anxious to find out what it is like.  I think death will probably be
     7:the most fun thing we ever did.  It may be something like going down the big
     8:tube, head first, at Sun Splash.
     9:                                        Rod
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    Message: 75436
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CLIFF/LAST FEW
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 00:33:36

         Say, weren't you kicked outta the CHRistian SIG?

    Message: 75437
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: deep Ann
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 05:24:12

     Bible scholars and translators down through the ages are all in agreement
    that the ancient terms, both Hebrew and Greek, that have been translated as
    "long-suffering" are also translatable as "patient". The two are synonomous.
    (That means that they mean the same thing.) But of course, since your depth
    of knowledge of the ancient languages, etc. is so far superior to all of
    theirs, and you so dogmatically state that there is "no way" that they could
    possibly mean the same thing, we will have to discard all their collective
    years of study and knowledge and accept yours. (Sarcasm intended, by the
    way. Just in case you didn't recognize it.)

    Message: 75439
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Xmas
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:01:54

    You may not use a green Christmas tree, but the vast majority of Christians
    do. As far as "proof" is concerned --- do your own research. BTW, what diff.
    does it make to your faith if a pagan festival has been used to celebrate a
    Christian holiday ? Also, the birth of Christ, insofar as I know, has been
    estimated to have occurred during the summer.

    Message: 75440
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff #75428
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:46:13

    I don't understand - I know you don't have a tree on Xmas - but you don't
    celebrate it at all! How come then you are bereating Roger?
                         *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75441
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cat on sin!!
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:49:59

    you mean (sputter) - as a Christian you believe in masturbation (spelled
    right this time!) and heavy petting? (Gasp!) I don't get it. In every church
    I ever went to, both were a 'no no' of the first class! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75442
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on language
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:59:50

    Never mind my "knowledge of ancient languages" - I question yours! AND I
    don't care what you say or who you said said it - Bible scholar - Hebrew
    scholar or not - long suffering and patience are NOT the same thing! You can
    be patient and NOT suffer. Suffering means pain of body or mind.

    Re: "... discard all their collective years of study and knowledge ...."

    I've known a lot of very intelligent people - that had years of study and
    gained much knowledge that STILL would interprete the Bible to suit their
    particular needs. Right now, I can take you to three different churches
    within 5 miles of this house that all think they are the 'ONLY right chruch'
    and the only RIGHT way to Heaven and the only RIGHT interpreters of the
    Bible!! I'll bet not one of them is the church you go to. (religion)
                                *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75443
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann 75440
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:44:44

            We do not celebrate Christmas the way you do...  We don't get drunk,
    we don't put up a tree, we don't talk about Santa and we don't like how it
    has all become so commercial.  We do however talk about what we feel is the
    true meaning of Christmas with the boys.  We celebrate it our way...  Why
    does this bother you?

            What they have done with Easter is also a crime....

            There was once a pagan celebration on the 21st for the solstice, or
    at least there seems to be some evidence there was. But that holiday if you
    wish to call it that, was done away with.

    Message: 75444
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:56:37

            I have never been to a church that said 'They were the only RIGHT
    way to Heaven'.  They all said the way to Heaven was though Jesus Christ.

            However, I have had people come to my door telling me their belief
    was the only correct belief.  But I realize I was only talking to people,
    and not God.  People error, God does not.  Sure, these people believe in
    what they do, as they are following others who want the power (maybe) over
    their group (flock)?  Yes, there are extremists!  Not all Christians are
    extremists, in fact, MOST Christians are quite normal.

    Message: 75445
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on sin!!
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 13:05:36

    In the church I attended as a teenager these were the only forms of
    entertainment available as the church did not permit attending movies or
    dancing.

    Message: 75446
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Apro/Debt
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 15:38:16

      It would do little good to repudiate only foreign debt. It would be a much
    easier case to sell politically, but it would not balance the budget now or
    in the future. If the government did welch on all its debts, and the economy
    survived the shock, it would not put an end to consumer credit or other
    forms of borrowing, it would just mean that nobody would lend to government.
    Of course even this caution might be forgotten in time, but it would
    probably be a very long time.
       It would be great if everyone in the world would refuse to lend a dime to
    our government starting right now, without waiting for a default or an
    economic collapse to come along first. The money they borrow in our name and
    spend to keep themselves in office is pushing the limit we can support as it
    is, and internal reform seems impossible.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 75447
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Beau/Debt
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 15:50:25

       I don't know if there is a Constitutional means of abrogating federal
    debts or not. Of course it wouldn't mean a thing if it were strictly
    prohibited by the Constitution and government really WANTED to do it.
       Some people wouldn't be hurt very much directly, people who have only
    limited savings in bonds, etc. I don't think a good investment advisor would
    tell people to put all their savings into government debt instruments, but
    you can be sure that many people have. Decades of brainwashing to the effect
    that everything else is risky and government investments are ironclad have
    done their job well.
       The greater damage would be indirect. Would the entire FDIC program
    collapse as individual banks with heavy positions in treasury bonds and
    futures went bankrupt, causing a general run on the banks? Would the value
    of the dollar collapse as people feared that U.S. script might be abrogated
    next? Would the stock market crash as the stocks of financial institutions
    with investments in bonds led the way
       As Buckaroo Banzai might say, "Do you want to roll those dice, Beau?"
        See You Later,
           Dean H.

    Message: 75448
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Petting
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 18:16:53

    The thing I don't understand is the taboo against light
    petting.  Face it.  You very rarely hear anyone even
    *mention* it.

    Message: 75449
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Pollywanna
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 18:28:17

      One morning while Pat was reading the paper, the phone
    rang.  She picked it up and got a dial tone.  The next
    morning it rang again, and again she got a dial tone.  The
    third morning she realized what was going on: Casey had
    learned to mimic the phone faultlessly.
      Once, as Pat opened a soda can at the kitchen table, Casey
    waddled over and snatched at the can.  It toppled, sending a
    cascade of cola onto her lap and the floor.  "$#!+!" Pat
    said.  Casey eyed her.  "Forget you heard that," she
    ordered.  "I didn't say it.  I never say it.  And wouldn't
    have now if I hadn't just mopped the floor."  Casey kept his
    beak shut.
      Later a real-estate agent arrived to go over some
    business.  She and Pat were deep in discussion when Casey
    screamed from the den, "$#!+!"
      Both women acted as though they'd heard nothing.
      Liking the sibilance, Casey tried it again.  "$#!+!" he
    said.  And again.  "$#!+! $#!+! $#!+!"
      Caught between humiliation and amusement, Pat put her hand
    to her guest's arm.  "Helen, it's sweet of you to pretend,
    but I know you haven't suddenly gone deaf."  They both broke
    up laughing.
      "Oh, you bad bird," Pat scolded after the agent left.
    "She's going to think I go around all day saying four-letter
    words."
      "What a mess," Casey said.
      "You're darned right," Pat told him.
      Casey's favorite perch in the kitchen was the faucet in
    the sink; his favorite occupation, trying to remove the
    washer at the end of it.  Once, to tease him, Pat sprinkled
    a handful of water over him.  Casey ceased his attack on
    the washer and swiveled his head to look at her sharply.
    "What's the matter with you?" he demanded.
      If he left the kitchen and Pat heard him say "Oh, you bad
    bird!" she knew to come running.  Casey was either pecking
    at her diningroom chairs or the wallpaper in the foyer.
      "Is it worth it?" her son, Bill, asked, looking at the
    damaged front hall.
      "Give me a choice between a perfect, lonely house and a
    tacky, happy one," said Pat, "and I'll take the tacky one
    any day."

    (continued)

    Message: 75451
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: if it's directed
    Date: 05/29/91  Time: 22:55:15

    to you Ann, I will let ya know....... OK??????  Geez, where are people's
    imagination around here????????  I think the intended person got the
    message...

    Message: 75452
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/language
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 05:28:38

    One more time, in fading hope that you may yet get it.
    Directly translated from the Greek (not Hebrew, since it is a New Testament
    word):
     MAKROTHUMEO: bear, suffer long, be longsuffering, have (long) patience, be
    patient, patiently endure.
     MAKROTHUMIA: longsuffering, patience.
     These are direct (and correct) translations from the original language.
    That ancient language is still in use today. If you know any Greeks, ask
    them. If you don't, check any complete concordance of the Bible or
    Greek/English dictionary. If you can't find one, I'll gladly let you look at
    mine.
     The two terms are one and the same thing! Sheesh!

    Message: 75453
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 05:31:32

     Your last couple of posts to Ann have reiterated what I have felt for a
    long time, friend. I think that you probably have a better grip on this
    belief we call Christianity than a lot of folks who name the name of Christ.
    I really wish that you would reconsider your position as to the CHRistian
    SIG. You belong there, Cliff. You really do.

    Message: 75454
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff #75443
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 07:49:29

    ... in other words, no presents, right?

    Hey man, you are so right - we get drunk out of our skull on Christmas eve
    and stay that way until the sun goes down on Christmas day eve and have a
    hangover for a week! We also have pagan rites and dance around the tree and
    we think of satan instead of Jesus!!! We turn all our crosses upside down
    of course. Isn't this the way everyone celebrates Christmas? *>>> ANN O.

    P.S. Uhhhh .... just curious, but if you do not believe in drinking on that
    holiday, how come you came to my totally drunken Christmas party last year?

    Message: 75455
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley #75452
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 07:52:28

    You believe it, I don't! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75456
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 08:12:31

            The 'Chicken wings' is why I come over...  Your Christmas party was
    not a totally drunken event.   Just Ralph Blehm was drunk if I recall, and I
    drove him home as *I* did not get drunk.

    Message: 75457
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul S.
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 08:33:44

            Thanks for your vote of confidence, however... I do not feel right
    about my problem yet.  I have sinned 'one too many times' and I need some
    answers as to why?

            If...I claim to love and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, why then
    do I so quickly and easily take his name in vain?  Am I kidding myself in
    thinking I am a Christian?  Where does the urge to do this sin come from?

            Answers.....???

            When Christians hear my foul mouth, why are they so quick to judge
    me and turn their backs to me, I thought only God himself could judge me?

            Answers.....???

    Message: 75458
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Citizen Kane
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 09:12:08

    I REALLY want to see Citizen Kane at Cine Capri.  Is anyone up for a Citizen
    Kane GT?

    Message: 75459
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: bobcat
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 17:34:18

    I don't know if anyone has previously mentioned this but..
    Isn't there a line in the bible about "thou shall not cast thy seed apon the
    ground"?  I suppose that doesn't say it's a sin, but maybe it's just one of
    God's pet peeves.   (Get it!   PET peeves??!!  I crack myself up...)

    Message: 75460
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Pollywanna?
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 17:55:19

      But Pat did decide to have Casey's sharp claws clipped.
    To trim them without getting bitten, the vet wrapped Casey
    tightly in a towel, turned him on his back and handed him to
    an assistant to hold while he went to work.  A helpless
    Casey looked at Pat and said piteously, "Oh, the poor baby."
      Pat often wondered if Casey knew what he was saying.
    Sometimes the statements were so appropriate she couldn't be
    sure.  Like the time a guest had lingered on and on talking
    in the doorway and Casey finally called out impatiently,
    "Night, night."
      Yet, whenever Pat wanted to teach him something, Casey
    could be maddening.  Once she carried him to the living room
    and settled in an easy chair as Casey sidled up her arm and
    nestled his head against her chest.  Pat dusted the tips of
    her fingers over his velvet-gray feathers and scarlet tail.
    "I love you," she said.  "Can you say, 'I love you, Pat
    Myers?'"
      Casey cocked an eye at her.  "I live on Mallard View," he
    said.
      "I know where you live, funny bird.  Tell me you love me."
      "Funny bird."
      Another time Pat was trying to teach Casey "Jingle Bell
    Rock" before her children and grandchildren arrived for
    Christmas dinner.  "It'll be your contribution," she told him.
      "Where's my glasses?"
      "Never mind that.  Just listen to me sing."  But as Pat
    sang "Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock" and danced
    around the kitchen, Casey simply looked at her.
      Finally Pat gave up.  And all through Christmas dinner
    Casey was silent.  When it came time for dessert, Pat
    extinguished the lights and touched a match to the plum
    pudding.  As the brandy blazed up, with impeccable timing
    Casey burst into "Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell
    rock!"
      Pat's health improved so much she decided to go on a
    three-week vacation.  "You'll be all right," she told Casey.
    "You can stay with Annie and the kids."
      The day her mother was due back, Annie returned Casey to
    the apartment so he'd be there when Pat got home from the
    airport.
      "Hi, Casey!" Pat called as she unlocked the door.  There
    was no answer.  "Holy smokes, it's cold out there!" she
    said.  More silence.  Pat dropped her coat and hurried into
    the den.  Casey glared at her.
      "Hey, aren't you glad to see me?"  The bird moved to the
    far side of the cage.  "Come on, don't be angry," Pat said.
    She opened the door of the cage and held out her hand.
    Casey dropped to the bottom of the cage and huddled there.
      In the morning Pat tried again.  Casey refused to speak.
    Later that day he consented to climb on her wrist and be
    carried to the living room.  When she sat down, he shifted
    uneasily and seemed about to fly away.  "Please, Casey," Pat
    pleaded, "I know I was away a long time, but you've got to
    forgive me."
      Casey took a few tentative steps up her arm, then moved
    back to her knee.  "Were you afraid I was never going to
    come back?" she said softly.  "I would never do that."
      Casey cocked his head and slowly moved up her arm.  Pat
    crooked her elbow, and Casey nestled against her.  Pat
    stroked his head, smoothing his feathers with her forefinger.
    Finally Casey spoke.
      "I love you, Pat Myers," he said.

    Message: 75463
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Sorry, (Sniff)
    Subject: Roddy
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 18:55:24

    Re:  I'm having trouble staying awake and I refuse to drink coffee because I
    don't want to look like a coffee bean.

    Go to sleep Rod.  Your eyes lids are getting heavy.  All you can hear is my
    voice.  Gooo to sleep. . . .

    Message: 75464
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:01:25

    Re:  a Christian you believe in masturbation

    Do I believe in it??  I'm not sure what you mean there.  I believe it
    exists.  The only point I was trying to make is, masturbation is not
    condemned in the Bible.  I don't think it is even addressed.  I guess the
    second point I might have made is, a lot of people talk about what the
    Bible says about this and that when in reality, they don't know what the
    Bible says.

    Message: 75465
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:04:34

    R{i]:  I have never been to a church that said 'They were the only RIGHT
    way to Heaven'.

    I don't remember being at one either, but they do exist.  The JW's, the
    Mormons. the Moonies, the Catholics, and there are others.  If you ask them
    the question and press them for the answer they will say they are the only
    true church.

    Message: 75466
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Peaches
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:07:44

    Re:  We also have pagan rites and dance around the tree and
    we think of satan

    Do you do it in the nude?  Can I watch next time?

    Message: 75467
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ms. Dee
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:10:03

    Re:  "thou shall not cast thy seed apon the ground"?

    Maybe you're thinking of "bread upon the water?"

    Message: 75468
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 21:47:23

    No, I know I mixed metaphors, but there is something about spilling one'
    seed on the ground.

    Message: 75469
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa/last
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 22:25:03

    You may be thinking of "Cast not your Pepsi before swine."  People always
    get confused over that.

    Message: 75470
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/celebrate
    Date: 05/30/91  Time: 22:26:52

    Hey, your celebration sounds like ours.

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