### Apollo BBS Archive - June 13, 1989

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    Message: 5617
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: swim suit contests
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 07:20:07

    Hey.....................Annie................

    There you go again, trying to get a swimsuit competition started!  If I
    showed up in a bikini (or even in a "monokini" no one whuld even notice.

    See Y'aa..............
    Jeannie

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    Message: 2312
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: Ha Ha
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 07:31:38

    Of all the birds I'd rather be I'd rather be a Duck
    and swim around the park at night and watch people
    ---------------Play checkers.

    Of all the fish I'd rather be I'd rather be a bass
    and climb up on a slippery rock and slid down on--
    --------my hands and knees.

    Oh what a wonderful bird is the pelican his beak can
    hold more then his belly can, and I don't see how
    the hellhecan.
                 Ralph

    Message: 2313
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/your poetry
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 08:52:04

    Very cute. Did you write that yourself? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2314
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 23:08:29

    Well, we know that Ralph at least typed it himself.

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    Message: 3166
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Toady-haw haw
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 17:02:50

            Your (haw haw haw haw haw) was typed wrong ......

    In your case you should have typed in .........
                 (he-haw  he-haw  he-haw  he-haw  he-haw)

    Message: 3167
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Ann/stud
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 17:05:07

            Yea, I would like to see a stud 'do' serveral at one time, too.

    Message: 3168
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: insults/male/female
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 07:16:37

    Hey.................................

    Since men and women have different "fears" you couldn't insult a man by
    referring to him as a piece of intimate personal hygene equipment, but you
    can get him where it hurts by calling him something that hits where he
    lives, like "limberdick."

    See Y'aa..............
    Jeannie

    Message: 3169
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Clarification
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 08:54:02

    I meant - a stud does several mares in a day! Not at once! Geeze.
                      -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3170
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Question?
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 09:02:34

    Not that I've ever been in this situation - but what does a woman do when
    she meets a man - shes interested in him sexually, they go to dinner, have
    drinks, then go to her apartment and one thing leads to another. She goes
    into the bathroom to undress and when she comes back out, he's laying on the
    bed with a hard on - but it's three inches long and as narrow as a pen and
    he has a look of lust on his face. Does she ...
    (1) Stiffle her laughter?
    (2) Laugh until she falls on the floor?
    (3) Get mad that he's decieved her and leave?
    (4) Act like she's never seen such a great Thang before and hop right on?
    (5) Hop right on and try to enjoy?
    (6) Use her imagination and enjoy?
    (7) Immedaitely leave?
    I've always wondered what a woman would do in a case like that.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3171
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Another one.
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 09:04:33

    What does a woman do in the above situation when she comes out of the
    bathroom and finds his Thang as big as a 8 lb. baby and it isn't even hard
    yet? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3172
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 16:46:00

            Are these hypotheticals, or are you in direct need of suggestions?

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 3173
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: 3 inch pens
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 21:33:54

            Beings how women are mature and have a deeper insight into life than
    men ....... Beings how women are more compasionate and in tune with her
    surroundings ........ Beings how women have more stamina and are more able
    to endure lifes hardships ........
            I would say the answer to your dilemma is ----------------

            Grin and bear it.
                    If you are lucky ..... it will be all over in 2 minutes and
                    and you can go home.

                         *******  NOW  ********

    For the other situation of the 8 lb Weenie .............

            I would do some of Jane Fonda's exercises, bring a big jar of
    Vasoline, take 8 asprin, and tell everyone you are going on a week long
    skiing trip and if they wonder why you have such an odd walk you can say it
    is a result of the 'big tree' you encountered on your way down the slopes.

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    Message: 59204
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Stanley Meisler
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 17:53:30

    Evidentally his five years abroad did not teach him anything.  All he can do
    is mouth a lot of mindless liberal platitudes.

    Message: 59205
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 17:54:48

    It is fine to criticize our government, and I am the first to do so.  It is
    obscene to suggest that our government is not fundamentally different from
    the communist government in China.  The latter is what you did.

    Message: 59206
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 18:18:40

    You seem to be having a great deal of difficulty understanding a simple
    concept.  A sales tax is regressive because it requires poor people to pay
    a higher proprtion of their income.  For example, let us suppose there is a
    10% sales tax.  Joe Blow makes $15,000 a year, of which he spends $13,000.
    That means he pays $1,300, or 8.7% of his income, in taxes.  Now, suppose
    John Doe makes $500,000 and spends $200,000.  He would then pay $20,000, or
    only 4%, of his income in taxes, though in absolute terms he would be paying
    over 15 times as much.

    A flat-rate income tax is a very simple concept.  That means that all income
    would be taxed at the same rate -- say, 15%.  Currently we have a
    progressive income tax system, which means the higher your income, the
    greater percentage you pay in taxes.

    Message: 59207
    Author: Margaret Shertzer
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: political prisoners
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 00:35:40

    Rod, a political prisoner is an individual who has been incarcerated
    as a result of expressing their political beliefs.  There are no
    political prisoners in the United States, because the expression
    of political beliefs is not a crime, and is not prosecutable. However, acts
    of robbery, assault, murder, kidnapping, theft, vandalism, drug-use, etc.,
    are all ordinary crimes, whether or not one claims to have committed them in
    the name of political freedom.
    Your friend, a typical con, is simply twisting the truth in an attempt
    to manipulate others.  The unfortunate thing about prison is that it gives
    inmates plenty of time and opportunity to polish their act.  They spend
    their days observing and reading: observing the behavior and attitudes of
    the liberal sociologists and psychologists who interact with them, and
    reading books by these same types.  Since many cons are pathologically
    imitative, the prisons become filled with men who, though they often
    have poor communication skills and use sub-standard English, become adept at
    using the glib, superficial terminology of those who they observe.

    Message: 59208
    Author: Margaret Shertzer
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Poets/Trek V
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 00:55:20

    It was difficult to identify with the prep students in the film.  As
    repressed young Catholic boys, the merest hint of spontaneity and rebellion
    seemed to entertain them, no matter how callow or inane.  Without giving
    away the plot, let me say that the *tragic event* seemed somewhat contrived.
     I cannot escape the conclusion that the act in question was absurdly
    unrealistic.  One may react in many ways to parental repression.
    I couldn't feel much empathy for the students.  They had free choice between
    standing up for their beliefs (if they actually had any), or knuckling under
    to authority.  They chose the latter, even at the expense of their friends,
    and that was that.  Robin Williams does, however, give a fine, dignified,
    controlled performance that does justice to the character.

    Star Trek V was entertaining, even if the special effects were rather
    dissapointing.  Let me qualify that; the special effects, where independent
    of the actors, were satisfactory.  The special effects, where interactive
    with the actors, were typically horrible.  Those who have seen the "rocket
    shoes" scene at the beginning of the film will understand what I mean.
    Shatner's direction may or may not be to blame for this.  However, I think
    he did a fine job with the ordinary visuals.  A note to those who have seen
    the film and remain confused: Yes, that was hell and that was Satan.

    Message: 59209
    Author: Paul Carelli
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Poets/Last
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 03:19:32

    I disagree with what was said about the difficulty in identifying with the
    characters of the film.  Their lives were regimently set for them.  Each of
    them would go on to a major University and some day become proffesionals and
    then die without ever having truely lived.  I know many people whose lives
    are quite similar to the lives of these students.  Many of them will get
    married, find jobs, have children and choose funeral plots without ever
    really questioning themselves and the world around them, or at least not as
    much as they might.  I myself sometimes feel that I am a sheep being led to
    the slaughter.  The feeling of a hopeless marching foward into an all too
    certain future was well portrayed by using prep students as the main
    characters.  It is true that the boys may have had freedom of choice, but
    did they realize they had this freedom?  They were young and did not fully
    grasp what Keating was trying to teach until the end.  That is why they were
    entertained by almost anything that sounded like a rebellion.  It was not a
    simple case of coming to the aid of a friend or leaving him to fend for
    himself.  Instead it was a matter of growing up, looking at things from a
    new perspective and not just simply giving up and settling in a
    comfortable niche in society.

    Message: 59210
    Author: Margaret Shertzer
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul C./last
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 06:15:29

    Of course you feel like a sheep being led to the slaughter.  That's because
    you are.  It's only a matter of time, and then, time's up.  Until then,
    you'll go on being manipulated, conditioned, broken down, and then built
    up again, all the while wearing a crooked smile and your "Life's a beach"
    T-shirt, until you've been sucked dry, catalogued, just generally lost your
    usefulness in the Big Study.

    Just kidding, Paul.

    But seriously, do you really think that any of the conditions you mentioned
    make the characters any more sympathetic?  We're talking about people who do
    what they're told, because they know that there is money and a career and
    the approval of authority figures and society at large to be had, not
    because Catholic kids from strict homes are inherently any less capable of
    freedom of thought.  They have their priorities, and those priorities are
    run by the very things you mentioned.  They never really understood
    friendship, and when the time came to choose between their own well being
    and moral integrity/friendship, guess what happened?

    Message: 59211
    Author: Margaret Shertzer
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 06:18:38

    MEAT, Rod!  I put meat in your marijuana while you slept!  Full of
    triglycerides and polysorbate 80...and I put Floride there too, and
    Aspertame, yeah!

    Meat, Meat, the magical stuff
    The more you eat, the less you puff;
    The less you puff, the better you feel,
    So get some Meat, dude, and then GET REAL!

         ---The Wicked Witch of the West

    Message: 59212
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: JT
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 08:47:06

    I did not suggest that our government is not fundamentally different from
    the communist gov. in China ---- I STATED IT! 99% of governments are alike
    in that they rule the people. The basic rules are just different is all. Our
    gov. is becoming a hungry Jackal that devours our freedoms and our hard
    earned money. People like you are very complacent about it. I see what is
    happening and want to do something about it. When a person gives 50% of
    their money to the tax man, something is wrong don't you think? Why not
    rally for some of our freedoms back instead of for China? It's a nobel cause
    but futile. China will work itself out - always has, always will.
    BTW - when all of this started - Bush said we would not provide arms to the
    Chinese governemnt because of what they did to those students. Why in the
    hell are we sending arms to a communist country to begin with? This is what
    I got out of it - if I'm wrong, tell me what he meant then.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59213
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CITY GONE AMOK
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 11:41:29

         Well, our duly elected officials are at it again.  First, they tried to
    sneak an amphitheatre by us - which was thankfully stopped by public
    outrage.  Next, they approved a new Suns arena to be bulit on 1-3rd St.s
    around Madison....  Effectively wiping out over 15 artists' studios, not to
    mention the number of historic buildings in the area.  Today, it was
    announced that the City is proposing to build ANOTHER stadium, this time
    between 7-12th Ave. between Jefferson & Jackson.  If this proposal goes
    through, only one gallery space will be wiped out.  You may wonder why I'm
    upset about this.  Let me tell you - the space that would be wiped out would
    be MY gallery.
         I think maybe Goddard has been in office too long.

    Message: 59214
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taxpayers
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 13:52:45

    Most American taxpayers dislike paying income taxes and despise the IRS
    which collects it.  In 1972, a Gallop Poll revealed that 74% of the American
    people would be in complete sympathy with a tax strike.

         The 26% who would not favor a tax strike can be expected to come from
    the ranks of government workers or others who live off the loot collected by
    the IRS.

         Taxpayers would be more adamant in their anti-income tax/anti-IRS
    feelings if they knew that income taxes are not needed!

                            - CBA Bulletin (February 1989)

    Fact or Joke?  An IRS agent was overheard saying "I know to err is human,
    but to forgive would require a whole new set of regulations."

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59215
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Shertzer and Carelli
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 17:35:18

    Which of them is the short, fat guy and which is the tall, bald guy?

    Message: 59216
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 17:36:07

    In that case, I stand by my previous statement.  You are a disgrace to this
    nation and the ideals of freedom upon which it is based.

    Message: 59217
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann!
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 22:25:17

            If you think this country's government is no better than the Red
    Government in China.. go over there an help protest like you do on Apollo.
    You would either be shot or thrown in a dirty jail.  All my Great, Great
    grandparents were shot for just getting mail from this country right after
    the Russian mail man deliverd them.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59218
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Meisler
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 23:15:33

            You really amaze the hell out of me.  The man has 20 some odd years
    experience as a journalist, has spent the last five in Western Europe and
    you just spew off some crap answer.  He lived in Paris and then when he
    returned he pointed out the differences he noted, the ones that were obvious
    and you call it liberal muck.  I have talked to many people who have read
    that same article and they, like myself, have cut it out and framed it.  It
    is the best written article that I have read in quite a while.

            I'll bet the boys at the conservative Heritage Foundation took a
    crap in their pants when they read it.  It has way too much truth in it for
    those good ole' boys, I bet.   -Rod

    Message: 59219
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Margaret
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 23:19:15

            I am going to write my friend and ask for specific examples.  I have
    not heard of political prisioners, per se, in this country either.  I was
    simply posting what he wrote.  His answer, if I receive one, will shed some
    additional light on the situation.  I am as curious as you are.  We may find
    out, we may not.   -Rod  P.S.  Good post.

    Message: 59220
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: For sale
    Subject: POETRY by Mychele
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 23:26:28

                            The Uncomplete Collection

                                       of

                                     Mychele

          On sale at Changing Hands Bookstore, Mill Avenue Shops, Tempe,

    & Armadillo Bookstore, 825 W. Baseline, Tempe (at Hardy in ABCO Plaza)

              20 pages of original poetry & art,  $3.00 1st Edition

    Recommended by Rod

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    Message: 408
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 16:00:31

    Did he tongue you?

    Message: 409
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Question?
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 09:08:19

    Cliff kissed Rod's ass? This I gotta see? Lets have a repeat.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 410
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 11:42:51

         Cliff kisses everyone's ass.  Trust me, Ann, it isn't much to see.

    Message: 411
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hmmmmmm last few,
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 12:15:07

    Let's see there is Rod, Ann and Peter so far, begging to be locked up in the
    PHAntom Zone.....  I wonder who else?  Oh yes, we can't forget James Hawley.
    Then we will see who kisses ASS to get out of there.  I think I will include
    Nick for thinking about it as well.

    Remember, when one FARTs in your face, that is NOT ment as a kiss!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 412
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/13/89  Time: 23:27:39

            Yes, I did get that impression when you breathed in my face.

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