### Apollo BBS Archive - June 12, 1989

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2311
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike/movie
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:31:04

    We saw Field of Dreams the other night and it was an excellent movie.
    Brought a little tear to my eyes. I have a thing about my father too -
    haven't seen him since I was 11 years old, so the movie hit home.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 184
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: For Sale!
    Subject: (Free) PC World &...
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 03:33:29

      I have a stack of back issues of PC World and Popular Computing magazines
    that I would hate to throw out, but if there's someone who would be
    interested in them and would not mind driving to 30th St and Osborn, he can
    have them for free.
      If you're interested, leave me a note here, or call me at 945-7305.

              =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 185
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: TRS-80
    Subject: 80-Micro Magazines
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 03:36:40

      I have a complete set of 80-Micro magazines that I'll sell for virtually
    any reasonable offer.  Let's make that the best offer before this coming
    Friday.  You'd have to come pick them up (30th St and Osborn), so take that
    into consideration.
      If you're interested, leave me a note here, or give me a call at 945-7305.

              =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 186
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: For Sale!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 06:16:23

    I'll take $10 to take them away.

    Message: 187
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Steve/magazines
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:35:51

    I had gotten a subscription to 80-Micro and LOVED the four issues I recieved
    because they were aimed at Tandy users. Unfortunately, they went out of
    business and continued my sub. with P.C. World which I do not like. I would
    gladly take your magazines, but I'm switching to a Sanyo soon.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. Todd might be interested because he has a Tandy EX.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3163
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd/a stud
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:37:23

    A stud refers to a male horse - that services several mares at one time -
    and has a big one! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3164
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Stud
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 14:16:41

    Ann, Abig one what?
                      Ralph

    Message: 3165
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann/stud
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 15:22:07

            I wish I could service 'serveral' at one time.  I'd even like to see
    a horse 'do' several at one time.  What a trick.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 59183
    Author: Paul Carelli
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: DEAD POETS SOCIETY
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 02:48:25

    I too saw the movie this weekend and I was pleasently surprised. It wasn't a
    "Robin Williams movie" like I thought it would be.  I agree that the point
    of the movie was to "seize the day."  Poetry just seemed like one way of
    expressing individuality and not becoming one of the heard.  I do disagree
    with one thing Tanisha said, the movie was great.  I felt the ending was not
    as sad as it was inspiring.  Of course the inspiration came from the feeling
    of sadness, but the sadness I felt was for myself, not the characters.
    Perhaps that is what Tanisha meant.

    Message: 59184
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Economics
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 03:58:15

      One thing most people don't realize is how *complicated* economics is.
    For example, few people see the advantages to us (the middle class) of
    having the very rich pay so little tax.
      Example number one:  tax-free munincipal bonds.  Sounds like something
    really neat for the rich, who can afford to buy them, but not for the rest
    of us, right?  Right, but only if you ignore their purpose.  The very rich,
    who would be taxed at a higher rate than the rest of us if they invested in
    ordinary bonds, buy the tax-free bonds, which pay less interest.  They come
    out ahead because the interest is not taxed.  But the cities that are
    allowed to issue the bonds can *pay* less interest and still get people to
    buy the bonds.  Now when they pay back those who bought the bonds, they need
    less money to do it, meaning that they have to charge less in property tax
    to come up with it.  And who pays the property taxes?  Us.  Do you want to
    soak the rich by drying up the tax-free bonds?  Okay, but the money will
    come out of *your* pocket in the form of property taxes.
      As I pointed out earlier, it doesn't *matter* what the tax system is.  All
    that matters is the total amount of tax that has to be collected.  It will
    come out of the pockets of the middle class because that's where the money
    is.  The poor don't have enought money to pay taxes, and there aren't enough
    of the very rich that we can soak them more than we do ourselves.

              =========  Pascal  #(O,O)#  Hoot!  MacProgrammer  =========

    Message: 59186
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT/Chinese
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 06:29:10

    Eat more rice with your meal.

    Message: 59187
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/#59156
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:03:38

    Yes of course we do that now - but we have no choices in who we can vote on!
    Their the same old tired, greedy politicians that dish out the same old
    campain promices that they never fulfill. I personally can't see too much
    difference anymore between the parties. They talk different, but act the
    same once in office. Boring! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59188
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/prisoners
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:05:36

    Punish them? Never heard of such a thing! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59189
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/#59169
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:22:25

    Those demonstrator's that you spoke of in this country did not become a
    'mob force' like they did in China.
    I'm not against what China is doing. As usualy, you read what you want to
    read into my posts. I hope they win.
    I do not hate this country, I love it! It's people like you that have their
    heads where they don't belong letting this country go to pot because you
    claim it's so great all the time. It may be the best country in the world,
    the most free etc. but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.
    Our freedoms are being taken away from us a step at a time and your so blind
    you can't see it happening.
                                   -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59190
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steve on the poor...
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:50:56

            For several years I lived in the deep south.  I will tell you about
    the very poor who lived in shacks.....and drove Cadilacs and ate better than
    I did and payed no taxes.  They indeed spent money and had more of it than I
    did, but I did not know how to beat the system, so I payed taxes and
    starved.   I say let the poor pay sales tax.... they CAN afford it!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59191
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: fair taxes
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 09:08:11

    The only problem with a consumption tax is that the little guy with a
    limited or lower income and a large family to support is the guy who
    consumes the most in the way of clothing, food, transportation and other
    necessities, and is also the guy who can least afford it.
     Granted, the system as it is now is a nightmare, but I guess there are no
    pat answers. It will take a combination of less spending, more equitable
    taxes and some honest politicians (a contradiction in terms?) to come up
    with something that is at least palatable to almost everyone.

    Message: 59192
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 13:06:56

    Re:  "The poor spend a higher proportion of their income on necessities like
    food
    than do the rich."

    That is true, but the rich will pay more taxes under a straight percentage
    tax assessment.  The rich spent more, therefore they pay more taxes.  To
    make the rich pay a larger percentage is wrong.  They automatically pay more
    under a straight percentage tax assessment.  That seems fair to me.  Robbing
    the rich to pay the poor concept is wrong.  The rich are usually richer
    because they work harder.  The poor are usually poorer because they don't
    work harder.  There are exceptions, but they are exceptions and not the
    rule.

    I fall in a minority group that has to pay double social security tax,
    almost 14% of my gross income goes straight to Uncle Sam.  It is not fair,
    and it makes me mad.  But as long as I'm a minority, I doubt it will change.
     Like I said before, all taxes considered, I pay almost 50% of my income to
    Uncle.  I oppose any tax increase of any kind for any reason.

    Message: 59193
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 13:11:11

    Re:  "I can handle tax on food, however, that being a necessity of life, I
    do not think BASIC food should be taxed."

    I suppose one could juggle the tax bite around any way they want, but the
    big point is that Uncle Sam is going to get what he considers his share of
    your dollar.  If you exempt food from tax, Uncle will just take a bigger
    bite from another catagory.

    Message: 59194
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 13:13:05

    Re:  "the Federal sales tax I am talking about is only to be accepted if the
    personal income tax is abolished completely."

    It sounds good to me!

    Message: 59195
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 13:21:52

    Re:  "For several years I lived in the deep south."

    I used to live in Biloxi (I can't even remember how to spell it),
    Mississippi!  You can't get any deeper than that!

    Message: 59196
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Upload
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 15:28:20

    I am going to upload the excellent article from last Sunday's Perspective
    Section of the Arizona Republic.  It is six posts long so you may want to
    download it to your buffer and read it later.  It is really worth the effort
    to read it.  It is a mind blower.   -Rod

    NOTE:  I THEN UPLOADED THE SIX POSTS, NAMED MEIS1 - MEIS6

    Message: 59203
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Economics
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 15:37:09

            The middle class will always be the ones to pay the most.  Even if
    the wealthy were heavily taxed, the amount out of their pocket would just
    come back to the middle class in the form of higher prices for commodities.

            But it is the waste in government that needs cleaned up.  The entire
    IRS needs to be disbanded as well as other self-serving agencies of the
    government.  When this is accomplished then the taxes that we must pay will
    be less or if not then we will benefit more from them.

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 405
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last on Rod
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 07:54:45

            At least I have a face.... all you have is an ASSHOLE!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 406
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 14:09:12

    Everyone has an assholDUM DUM
                             Ralph

    Message: 407
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: SYSOP
    Date: 06/12/89  Time: 15:38:31

            I really enjoyed that little kiss on the cheek you gave me a while
    back.

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