### Apollo BBS Archive - October 11, 1988

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    Message: 4462
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: James H.
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 05:36:44

    Don Sanderson died last year, but the dealership that he owned still carries
    his name, and they still have a lot of high priced equipment and a lot of
    technicians who don't have the sense to look for the simple things before
    they misuse the scopes and analyzers, etc.

    Message: 4463
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Rebuttal
    Subject: Toady
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 05:38:38

    Mr. Savage can call you quite a few things, Toad being the most
    complimentary.

    Message: 4464
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Toad Reese
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:18:54

    Is this some sort of Kontest to re-name Todd or something? If so, my entries
    are 'Toad' Reese or how about 'Hot Toddy'? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 4465
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Rebuttal
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 15:30:19

    I am gonna have to say the your wrong about the service center at Sanderson
    Ford.  My neighbor is a line mechanic there and there isn't ANYTHING that he
    can't do to a FORD, and DO IT RIGHT!

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    P.S.
      THE FIRST TIME!

    Message: 4466
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 19:52:24

    Well then tell your damn neighbor to fix my parents' Ford station wagon's
    carburetor and to do it correctly.  It's been in at least four times for the
    same problem.
      (Actually, forget it, because they now take their cars to a different shop
    with mechanics who know what they're doing.)

    Message: 4467
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:15:05

    Don't swear.  That's bad.

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     1:        The ONLY bad words are words which are meant to hurt.  Swearing is
     2:not necessarily bad if used in a friendly manner.  Some very plain words can
     3:hurt a lot more.
     4:                                Me
     5:end

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    Message: 1050
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 06:09:22

    ok for a kid.
                     Ralph

    Message: 1051
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Daryl/last ode
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:22:08

    Very good! Now, how about one on a Ford - since it is a topic of
    conversation on some of the sigs?
    Are you making these us as you go along? You have talent. *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 1052
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/cabbage heads
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:23:00

    Which one do you think is the biggest cabbage head? Never mind, I already
    know the answer to that one. Hahahahaha. *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 1053
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: Ford's
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 15:37:41

                       CHEVY'S and FORD'S
                       ------------------

    People always argue over Chevy's and Ford's,
    The subject is quite lengthy and frankly, I'm board,
    They argue over engines and the power of thier car,
    But those who say a Chevy's best are just pushing things too far,
    I'm not a brilliant person with an I.Q. that can't be beat,
    But even I can tell you that FORDS RULE THE STREET,
    Chevy's are nice to look at,
    That I must admit,
    But next to any Fords, thier all a piece of SHIT,
    The Ford is a classic, a symbol of the times,
    A Chevy's a piece of metal with a 409

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    My personal opinion is that if it gets you were you want to go when you want
    to go then it's o.k., UNLESS IT IS A CHRYSLER product..(hehe)

    Message: 1054
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Reggae
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 22:38:29

    Me no go Toronto
    Man dat place be not for me
    Me no go Toronto
    Dat be de place I never see

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     1:        Actually, Darly phones me and I give him a poem and he puts his name
     2:to it and he gives me $5.
     3:        Chris, good poem.
     4:I'll sell you some, too.
     5:end

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    Message: 2117
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:26:55

    You'd have to do a little editing, but you ought to send that into the
    Repulsive. Have you ever thought to get together a little book of odes like
    that one? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 2118
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: B. Dog on Carter
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 15:41:28

    I think you are the twisted sicko, not Carter.  I think it would be great to
    have total disarmament, BUT as I stated in the ANT example, there will
    always be some A$$HOLE that wants to RULE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Message: 2119
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 17:03:19

    There's no substitute for careful analysis.

    Message: 2120
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris Neal
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:24:47

    Chris, you obviously know nothing about burden of proof.  If you make an
    assertion (such as the one you made about communist doctrine), be prepared
    to back it up.  Either that or shut up.  "I am too busy" or "I saw it on
    channel 8" doesn't cut it.  If you're so busy, what are you doing HERE?  Get
    with the program!

    Message: 2121
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:27:54

    Not all who are for total disarmament are peaceniks or little old ladies.
    There you go again, substituating irrational judgments of character for
    rational argument.  Besides, I know Beauregard Dog, and he is not a peacenik
    (he doesn't even own any tie-dye shirts), though he does sort of resemble a
    little old lady, if you catch him in the right lighting.

    Message: 2122
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Woodruff on me/Cartr
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 21:22:48

    There is always some clown who jumps in on the middle of a conversation!

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    Message: 2123
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Holiday In Toronto
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 22:31:52

    No holiday in Toronto
    No holiday for me
    Let's get out of here pronto
    And throw away the key
    Toronto makes me want to belch
    At foreign diplomats
    It's the place I wish to squelch
    Or infestate with rats
    I guess my irk is obvious
    It's all quite plain to see
    I'll never go Toronto
    Let Toronto come to me.

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    Subject:B-Dog/Woodruff

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     1:        Yeah, I know the both of them and I can attest to the fact they are
     2:both very sick.
     3:        (I guess I don't have to give B-Dog the $5. I owe him because he is
     4:a sick person.  Peace,  ha ha, shoot them all.  (tm) Ralph (old fart) Blehm.
     5:end

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    Message: 54580
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 03:09:58

            Learn to read....  I said "The Democratic PLATFORM"... not all
    Democrarts... Gads, the last thing in the world I would want is a one party
    system!...  Cleen out your eyeballs...and re-read my post....  I know many
    Democrats who do not like that part of the platform...  They are not Baby
    killers, and I can respect that!  But they should let their party know,
    hell, some of them were to BUSY or LAZY to even watch the conventions of
    bout parties.  Unlike some...I listen to all 3 parties, and there are things
    I will agree with and not agree with within each party.  Overall, I follow
    the Republican platform, but not 100%

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 54581
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Clifford Kolostow
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 05:31:27

    So it's perfectly OK for you to dig up a problem I was able to conquer (with
    God's grace) over 16 years ago, but I shouldn't dare mention the
    demonstration of your vulgarity just a week ago or I'm the hypocrite?
    You better practice a little more introspection my friend, and take the log
    out of your own eye so that you can see more clearly to help take the
    splinter out of mine.
     Then you accuse me of supporting baby killers by referring to the baby
    killing Democrats as "your party", m spite of all the posts I have left
    denouncing those particular areas of the Democratic platform with which I
    disagree.
    Don't tell Daryl or anyone else to open their eyes until you've got yours
    open!
    As to my "hatefullness", you should know better, and I thnk you really do,
    so I won't bother to respond to such an asinine accusation.

    Message: 54582
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 06:28:33

    Paul
      You used a bad word "asinine" What does it mean?
                              Ralph

    Message: 54583
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff and Paul
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:10:14

    Peace brothers! Peace! I'll be glad when the election is over and the two of
    you will be friends again. You will won't you? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54584
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: TARANTULAH
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:11:35

    Sigh! Double sigh!

    Message: 54585
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/3 parties
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 07:14:35

    I agree that the Libertarians should get their turn to debate. They are a
    ligitmate third party, yet no one knows what the basic platform is. Even one
    that has read about the Libertarians, really don't know what his platform
    is. See you *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54586
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul and Cliff
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 15:43:20

    Why don't you BOTH get a FULL TIME job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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    Message: 54587
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/My truck
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 15:44:03

    Yes as a matter of fact it does....  It must, it hasn't let me down since I
    bought it!

    2 years ago!

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    Message: 54588
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 17:02:01

    Of course, you are correct -- while the Democratic Party is the party of
    homosexuals, abortion, and pro-communist foreign policy, most Democrats are
    not homosexual, do not support abortion, and are not pro-communist (why do
    you think so many of them voted for Reagan and will vote for Bush?).
    However, your comparison with Klansmen and the Republican Party is
    ludicrous.  The Republican Party does not support the Ku Klux Klan, and if
    there were any indication of Klan influence in the party, you can bet it
    would be quashed -- look what happened to Fred Malek.  The Democratic Party,
    on the other hand, openly embraces homosexuals, abortionists, and radical
    leftists, and makes no effort to distance itself even from communists and
    Jesse Jackson-style anti-Semites.

    I disagree with the Democratic Party's basic philosophy of paternalistic
    government.  But the extent of appropriate government intervention is a
    subject on which reasonable people can disagree.  The prospect of a
    Democratic preident in the mold of a Lloyd Bentsen would not thrill me, but
    it would not strike terror in me the way the idea of a Dukakis preidency
    does.  Fortunately, I believe that until the Democratic Party purges itself
    of the fringe left (or at least persuades the American people it has done
    so), it will be unable to put one of its own into the White House.

    Message: 54589
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: U.S. Propaganda
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 18:05:24

      Nicaragua, a country under attack by the regional
    superpower, did on October 15, 1985, what we did in Hawaii
    during World War II: instituted a state of siege.  There was
    a huge uproar in the mainstream American press - editorials,
    denunciations, claims that the Sandinistas are totalitarian
    Stalinist monsters, and so on.
      Two days after that, on October 17, El Salvador renewed
    its state of siege.  Instituted in March 1980 and renewed
    monthly afterwords.  El Salvador's state of siege was far
    more harsh than Nicaragua's.  It blocked freedom of
    expression, freedom of movement, and virtually all civil
    rights.  It was the framework within which the U.S.-trained
    and -organized army has carried out torture and slaughter.
      The *New York Times* considered the Nicaraguan state of
    siege a great atrocity.  The Salvadoran state of siege, far
    harsher in its measures and its application, was never
    mentioned in 160 *New York Times* editorials on Nicaragua
    and El Salvador, up until now (mid-1986, the time of this
    interview).
      We are often told the country is a budding democracy, so
    it can't possibly be having a state of siege.  According to
    news reports on El Salvador, Duarte is heading a moderate
    centrist government under attack by terrorists of the left
    and of the right.  This is complete nonsense.  Every human
    rights investigation, even the U.S. government in private,
    concedes that terrorism is being carried out by the
    Salvadoran government itself.  The death squads are the
    security forces.  Duarte is simply a front for terrorists.
    But that is seldom said publicly.
      All of this falls under Walter Lippman's notion of "the
    manufacture of consent."  Democracy permits the voice of the
    people to be heard, and it is the task of the intellectual to
    ensure that this voice endorses what leaders perceive to be
    the right course.  Propaganda is to democracy what violence
    is to totalitarianism.  The techniques have been honed to a
    high art in the U.S. and elsewhere, far beyond anything that
    Orwell dreamed of.  The device of feigned dissent (as
    practiced by the Vietnam-era "doves," who criticized the war
    on the grounds of effectiveness and not principle) is one of
    the more subtle means, though simple lying and suppressing
    fact and other crude techniques are also highly effective.
      For those who stubbornly seek freedom around the world,
    there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand
    the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination.  These are
    easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so
    in the propaganda system to which we are subjected and in
    which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting
    instruments.

    The preceding was an expanded version of an article excerpted
    from *Propaganda Review* (Winter 1987-88).  Subscriptions:
    $20/yr. (4 issues) from Media Alliance, Fort Mason, Bldg. D,
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    Boulder, Colorado (cassettes available for sale; write David
    Barsamian, 1415 Dellwood Boulder, CO  80302), and an essay
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    Message: 54592
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:01:11

    Would you be fearful of a Republican president in the mold of Lowell
    Weicker?

    Message: 54593
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:54:49

    "Ass":  "jackass", "donkey", "obnoxious", "rude", etc.  ...NOT "butt
    orifice", "anus", etc.

    I noticed that the words "ass" in my post was spelled "a$$" then later
    changed back to "ass".  Why?

    A note about the Arizona Republic.  I seriously doubt they'd print any
    questionable words.  When the Butthole Surfers were in concert, they
    referred to them only as the "BF Surfers".

    Though it be difficult, we will just have to take Sysop Cliff ass is.

    Sic Transit Gloria Apollo

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    Message: 54594
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Woodruff
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 21:25:09

    Maybe you to can get a job where Cliff and Paul get one!

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    Message: 54595
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 22:36:17

    Butt orifice. I like that. Would make a good name for an incredibly
    decadent Democrat-type band. I'll even bet that JT wouldn't like it.

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     1:        All Libertarians are dirty, pinko, fags.
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    12:         * * * *  VOTE  LIBERTARIAN  * * * *
    13:end

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    Message: 380
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 06:15:14

    I was born old and have not aged since.
                             The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 381
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/11/88  Time: 20:59:58

    You mean you're getting younger?

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    Subject:Your last

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     1:        Someday you may realize just how much truth there is in that
     2:message.
     3:end

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     1:        Ya know, you have a modem and I have a modem and it would be litle
     2:problem for us to 'hook up' and I could upload the story to you.  Whatever.
     3:end

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     1:        Remember a bolw job is better than no job at all.
     2:end

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     1:        I finally found a belt.  The VCR works like new, it rewinds like
     2:pronto.  Many thanks.  May all your earthquakes be small ones.
     3:                                Rod

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