### Apollo BBS Archive - July 25, 1987

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    Message: 1617
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Writers Cramp
    Subject: Story board
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 05:44:07

      I remember, way back when, when the subboards were added to Apollo,
    and
    there was a story board at that time.  I got kind of interesting,
    with
    earthquakes, and the Alamos (the Catholic haters) declaring Dan Rather
    the
    anti-Christ.  BUT... while I was gone for a few days, someone, and
    I think
    it was either Rod or Peter Petrisko (anyone correct me if I'm wrong)
    did
    SOMETHING, and from what I understand, pretty much sabatoged the
    story.  I
    think Cliff finally deleted the whole mess.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 1618
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: James/Art
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 14:25:42

    If us mealy-mouthed little critics have to look at your art, then
    we have
    business judging your work.

            So there!

    Message: 1619
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike H.
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 16:47:56

    Where did you get into a fight?
    My friends got into a fight
    last night in Tempe, was it you
    that they beat up? I mean, if it
    wa....Why did you have to keep
    swinging your leather jacket in
    their face?

    Message: 1620
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak on Cliff
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 16:50:39

    Oh Lord...

    That looked so much like him, I could have totally died on the spot.
    SERIOUSLY!!! That really did look
    like him. (You did forget the BIG
    ears thou)....

    JUST KIDDING CLIFF!

    Message: 1621
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann on Art
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 16:53:48

    I also vote for an Art board.

    (just had to join in all the fun)

    Message: 1622
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 17:27:32

    Thanks for the vote and good to have you back. Did you go on a vacation?
    ANN

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    Message: 45319
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim White
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 00:29:48

    Please, please if you are going to continue this christian talk at least get
    it right, it is Jesus the Christ, not Jesus Christ,  Christ was not his last
    name, it is a title, got that...title.
                            Thank you for your patience,
                            Rod

    Message: 45320
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Carol Graham
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 00:50:32

    "Good question Carol", I fumed, "God is picking on me and he won't show
    hisself so I can 'pop 'im a good one'."
      "So, why does you blame 'im then, what's the point?", carol protested.
      "Aw, gee, I says, God's been picking on me since I was thirteen and now
    that I'm all grewn up, I'd just like to return the flavor, that's all!."
      Carol smiles, pats my hand, and asks, "But why since thirteen, what
    happened Rod, you can tell ole Carol Poo, we may even have a book on the
    subject where I work?"
      "Shucks Carol", I whined, "it's too embarasing for me to talk about it to
    a woman, can't we just forget it?"
      "Rod", pleads Carol, "God loves you, He loves every wart and dimple you
    got, he made you Rod, give Him a chance"
      "Well", sez I, "What must I do in order to make total amends, ya know,
    call off the war?"
      "Glad you asked, Rod, it is so very, very simply, it requires hardly any
    effort at all, give it a try, please be willing?"
      "Shucks," I pouted, putting my head between my knees, "Okay, tell me, I'll
    listen."
       Carol, my friend, nods, she nods that special way, showing the wisdom in
    her features, "Look Rod, Accept Gods number one, numero uno, son, Jesus
    Christ himself as your personal savior, that's all there is to it, nothing
    more and you will see marvelous changes take place in your life."
      "But Carol," protested I, "Why do you think I named my first born,
    'Christian Angelica, I already did that, it don't work except as a

    Message: 45321
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Carol
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 01:04:46

    temporary salve.  I was content when I was a Christian, it was real nice
    just knowing that Everything would be handled for me and all I had to do was
    believe in Jesus the Christ.  But I noticed things that bothered me, for
    instance I had read in the Bible (I have read the NT from cover to cover
    many times) that it was the chareltons, the fakers, who gave long winded
    prayers in the houses of worship, and Carol, everywhere I went that is what
    I saw among Christians.  Being with them for a spell I noted they had a
    certain attitude, one of pride, of damnation towards ANY belief other than
    their own.  Still, a Christian, I brushed the dust from my sandles and
    chastised them for being 'brainwashed goons' ones that really didn't know
    what to believe except what they had been taught.  I pointed out that into
    this life they came, void of any belief at all and then the programming
    begins, some are Mormon (heaven forbid, did I say a nasty word; to some I
    did?) some are Muslims and many others.  Each belief they are correct and
    many will argue it to the death, but if you examine each and EVERY religious
    doctrine, you will notice they all have one thing in common,  NO, not the
    idea of a all powerful god, but you will notice that it is all ancient dogma
    that was passed down through the ages and they are all full of rituals and
    superstitions that aren't in the least necessary for the growth and
    continuance of life, period!  NONE OF IT IS NECESSARY.  Even if a god did
    exist, it does not matter.  No god in its right mind would want to be
    worshipped other than maybe, seeing its creations have fun and live together
    in peace and harmony.  We have a pig sty here and for as many borders as we
    have, we have many more religions and each religion is in itself another

    Message: 45322
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Carol
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 01:12:06

    BORDER.  They, the religions of the world are separations, divisions, if you
    will and will remain so as long as people are superstitious, gullible and
    afraid of life.
      Carol, I ask questions and until someone answers them I keep asking, got
    that?  Besides, this religious stuff seems so old and tired, not to forget
    redundant, redundant, and you can't answer any of it, none.
      When the majority of the globe are evolutionists then the divisions will
    stop, the petty arguing and we can then get on with building and working
    together.  When religious churches no longer exist but neighborhood
    community centers do then will we see some straight shooting with really
    helping the unfortunate of the world.  If just one healer existed there
    would be no hospitals, but there isn't.  So, when you CAN answer the
    questions I 've been asking for three years, and answer them satisfactorily
    then I'll be content.  Yes, I know you believe in an eternal hell, you have
    expressed that before and you probably also believe that the human animal
    are the only animals who have 'real' feelings, sorta goes together.
      It is never to late to learn, Carol, nor to late to change.  I suggest
    that you look deep into your mind and throw away that fear.  By the way, the
    meal is on me, eat hearty."
      "Aaaaaarrrrrrrggggggggg!" blurps Carol.

    I'm sitting, facing the door, anxiously awaiting the appearance of Rev.
    James White, Christian extraordinary, I have a Pepsi and a 7-Up sitting
    on the table, the light drink for him.  He is not late, I am early.
      Since I don't know what he looks like, I just keep looking for signs of
    a super-Christian or at least what I believe one looks like.
      My prayers were soon answered as a man entered, toting a black book,
    with a white cross on the front.  I knew this to be James as who else
    would walk into the Devil House carrying such an item.
      "Sit down over here", I yelled, "Take a load off"
      "God bless you", he replied, "Don't mind if I do"
      "Which god ya got in mind", sez I? "There are so many to choose from."
      "Why the One and only True God, Jehovah, who else?" "By the Holy Blood
    of Jesus, I am here with Him in my heart."
      "Is the pay good", I inquire?  "Or is it minimum wages?"
      "The monetary pay is almost nothing but the spiritual pay is ever-
    lasting reward with my God"  "Jesus is Lord, He is come."
      "How long have you had this problem, James," I ask?
      "James, who is that?"  "My name is Bob"
      "Well excuse me Bob, but would you mind parking your butt somewhere
    else, I have a meeting with James and take Jehovah with you."

    Message: 45325
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 02:43:03

      Why not

    Message: 45326
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 02:59:40

    Because

    Message: 45327
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Last few
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 05:37:39

      Gee, how can I follow those?

      Anyway, yes, formally it *is* Jesus >the< Christ, sort of like
    Kermit the
    Frog.  (Sorry, couldn't resist!)  But generally, the "the" is omitted.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 45328
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Multitasking
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 05:38:42

      Multitasking enables a computer to screw up more than one thing
    at a time.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 45329
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 07:44:14

    I wouldn't expect you, Rod, to realize that "Jesus Christ" is a common
    designation in the Scriptures.  Indeed, I firmly believe that its
    frequency
    far exceeds the "Jesus the Christ" you insist on.  I personally don't
    think
    its all that important, but just for accuracy's sake...
    James>>>

    Message: 45330
    Author: Billi Idyll
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Jim White
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 09:13:49

            I finally stopped laughing and managed to ease my way back
    up onto
    my chair and faced Jim White.  "I can mention Homer in the same breath
    with
     search of the
    Trojan War,' Homer related a large number of facts in his work -- easily as
    many facts as the NT.  Furthermore, I'd assert, histext is more objective
    because he did not have a personal stake in relating it.  Face it, those who
    wrote the gospels weren't there at the time, and they had to justify their
    faith through the text they produced."
            Jim's fork, heavily laden with cake, stopped halfway between his
    plate and mouth.  "However," I continued, "you're still not getting the
    point about Jesus' obscurity.  He was a JEWISH messiah, but Paul turned him
    into a universal saviour.  Furthermore, Europeans turned him into the 'Great
    White Hope,' then impressed their religion on the rest of the peoples of the
    world."
            "Even more obscure than Jesus, however," I continued, "are the
    Essenes.  According to the information in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the
    philosophy Jesus espoused is very Essene in nature -- and the supposition
    that his 'lost years' and time in the desert were spent at an Essene
    monastery is probably correct.  While this does not blunt the importance of
    his message, it does call his sole authorship into question."
            "But," I conceded, "I'll allow you Jesus' life, and the fact that he
    did walk the earth and teach, because if I don't we'll quote sources back
    and forth for weeks.  So, how do you justify promoting the Christ as a
    saviour for all humanity?"

    Message: 45331
    Author: Billi Idyll
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Zak Woodruff
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 09:17:18

            I turned, as Jim choked at my concession, and whispered over at Zak
    and Rod.  "What are the odds up to?"
            Zak checked his book.  "5 to 1 that Jim tries to heal you, 3.5 to 1
    that Cliff will dump both of you off the board and 1 to 1 that God will kill
    Jim for citing obscure historical sources with questionable backgrounds."
            I nodded.  "Sounds good."  I hesitated.  "Zak?"
            "Yeah?"
            "You should do something about your breath.  It smells like
    minnows."

    Message: 45332
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James White
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 10:37:43

    Boy James - your food bill must be small right now with all these people
    taking you out to dinner so often!!!

    Message: 45333
    Author: Enyo Face
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: New FREE BBS
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 10:54:16

    Attention all you Vision Quest Proving Grounds fans, or anyone
    who likes to have fun on a BBS;

    There is a new BBS identical to the VQ Proving Grounds, except the
    access is ABSOLUTELY FREE!!  That's right, all dungeons, fights,
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    possible.

    The number is 991-0144 and it is simply called "Proving Grounds".
    Once again, it is identical to VQ Proving Grounds, but all access is
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    Sincerely,
    Enyo Face

    Message: 45334
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: ALL
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 11:09:33

    We arrived.  Restaurant was closed.  Damn.  I was hungry.  For knowledge.
    Maybe it is better this way - heard they charged outrageous prices and
    didn't give you your money's worth of food (for thought).

    Message: 45335
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 45315
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 11:19:58

    Actually, Jaynes is a professor at Princeton, not Harvard.

    Message: 45336
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 45316
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 11:22:26

    Omniscience is not required for induction--in fact, induction is necessary
    for the very reason that we don't have omniscience.  By induction, we can
    make probable conjectures.
       Do I think that the Iliad is of the same genre as Acts?  No, and I never
    said so.  The Iliad is not preaching, it's telling a story.

    Message: 45337
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 45317/Traci
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 11:23:12

    The book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" by Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln is
    available in most bookstores in the religion section as a mass-market
    paperback.

    Message: 45338
    Author: $ Robert Simpson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Finally!
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 11:52:35

    The Black Castle is finally 300/1200!

    (I thought it'd NEVER happen!)

    Oh....843-6782  24hrs, 300/1200, free access to everything but the SYSOP
    menus!
                  Robert

    Message: 45339
    Author: Greg Lawrence
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GREETINGS
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 12:55:36

    Hello , from Asheville NC. My name is Greg Lawrence. I'm 42 yrs old,
    married, and have three children. I am a high school teacher (Band)
    My interests include hiking, golf, humor, computers, and oddly
    enough, music.

    Message: 45340
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:29:31

    Yea, but worms and flies are getting me sick.  Anyone like Mexican food?

    Message: 45341
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard's Omniscienc
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:30:45

    Problem is Jim, given your position, you can't believe that the vast
    majority of mankind was alive in the days of Jesus since you have no
    evidence that they, as individuals, lived!  I guess we all just sort of
    showed up one day about a hundred years ago?
    James>>>

    Message: 45342
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: KFYI and Mormons
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:31:56

    The following appeared in the 7/25/87 "Latter-day Sentinel":
    When the anti-Mormons take to the air, the Mormons bristle.
    Little wonder then that KFYI radio in Phoenix is quickly be-
    coming the most unpopular station for LDS in the Salt River
    Vally.
         In between its pokes at Gov. Evan Mecham, the station
    regularly takes jabs at the Church.
         That has prompted local LDS officials to ignore the
    station's request to send a spokesman to defend the Church
    against the many broadsides hurled on that station.
         But not everyone can sit still.  Melvyn Johnson, a high
    priest in the Phoenix 3rd Ward, Phoenix Stake, called in one
    day, while two anti-Mormons were blasting away and station
    program director Tom Leykis was berating the Church for not
    sending a spokesman to respond.
         "You're emphasizing the wrong things.  Why destroy?  Why
    not look for the good?"  asked Brother Johnson.
         "So why won't your Church send a spokesman?"  countered
    Leykis over the air.
         "Well, there's so much venemous poison there I just think
    they didn't want to get into a squirting match with a skunk,"
    replied Brother Johnson.

    Message: 45343
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: KFYI 2
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:32:50

    He later recalled:  "They laughed then cut me off."
         "KfYI's format is controversy, and controversy sells,"
    said Kim Garvey, area public communications director for the
    Church.
         "We don't want to aid in the controversy concerning these
    things, and we won't play into other people's hands.  There is
    no way you can win such a situation, and it does not clear up
    any misconceptions about the Church."
         Added Mesa Maricopa Stake President David K. Udall, who
    is the Church's official spokesman in Arizona:  "KFYI, for
    whatever reason, has chosen to feature our critics on a
    regular basis.  We do a disservice when we call in and 'make
    their show,' and it makes us look bad."
         Other Phoenix-area stations, most notably KOY-AM and
    KTAR-AM, have invited Church leaders for interviews or talk
    shows, and Brother Garvey said these shows have been positive
    for both the stations and the Church.
         But that hasn't been KFYI's intent, he maintained.

    Message: 45344
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: KFYI 3
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:33:42

         Not so, responded KFYI's Tom Leykis, who defended the
    station's most recent program featuring Saints Alive
    founder Ed Decker (author of "The Godmakers") and Phoenix
    fundamentalist Jim White.
         Leykis said he aired the program because of a newspaper
    article he saw about an LDS author who discussed anti-Mormon
    bigotry.
         "I'm against bigotry," Leykis said.  "What we are trying
    to foster is open conversation between all faiths.  Religion
    is a topic on the air a lot."
         Still, the Church declined to send a spokesman.
         Leykis responded:  "They (Church leaders) say they don't
    have to defend their faith.  I understand that.  And I take
    the side of the underdogs, but its hard to do that when
    they're not insterested in representing themselves."
         The Church sees it as only a "squirting match" and
    refuses to participate.

    Message: 45345
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Religion
    Subject: KFYI last
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:34:24

    In fact, the Church leaders even encourage members not to call
    in.
         Advises Brother Garvey: "Don't call in.  Members should
    be assured that we are aware of these stations and we are
    consciously making the decision not to go on them.  If members
    are bothered by what they hear, they should simply turn it
    off."
         Added Phoenix Stake President William J. Monahan:  "Any
    program designed simply to stir up controversy is an anathema
    to the spirit.  I have made a personal decision to tone out
    KFYI because their whole position is to stir up controversy,
    and it simply is not productive."
         The Tempe South Stake presidency recently assigned high
    councilors to go to the wards and caution members about
    playing into the hands of media programs only designed to stir
    up controversy instead of enlighten.
    (The above can be found on page 12 of the Latter-day Sentinel)
    Seems to me someone doesn't want their members discussing the
    truth or even following their own Scriptures at D&C 71:7-8!

    Message: 45346
    Author: $ James White
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Billi Idyll
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 13:59:43

         I finished the piece of cake on my fork and replied.  "Billi,
    we are having a hard time communicating here because you seemingly
    know so little about the New Testament.  The book does not just tell
    stories or contain doctrine - major portions are, granted, simply
    doctrinal.  But the Gospels themselves are stories that are intricately
    connected with the historical narrative.  You cannot say that the
    Gospel events took place in a vaccum - indeed, the early preachers of
    Jesus said "Hey, look at what happened - you can check it out!"
    Just because Homer mentions historical events does not mean that
    it is of the same kind of literature as the New Testament.  Tell me
    Billi, have you ever studied the NT?  Have you looked at the picture
    it presents of the Roman culture of its day?"
         Billi smiled again and said "No, not really.  But I have read
    alot of books at B. Dalton like Holy Blood, Holy Grail."
         "That's the situation I often find myself in.  How can I discuss
    the specifics of the NT with you if you don't know what the specifics
    are?  You are also relying on non-scholarship for your information -
    what little of it you've provided."
         "What do you mean by that?"
         "You just said that the Gospels were not written by eye-witnesses.
    Who do you think wrote Matthew?  How about John?  I know that it is
    common for people to say that these books were not written by those
    whose names are attached, but give me some facts to back up your
    statement."

    Message: 45347
    Author: $ James White
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Billi cont.
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 14:00:57

         "Well, Jim Lippard said something like that in his book."
         "Yeah, Billi, but Jim is relying on very poor scholarship too.
    Haven't you been reading my posts on Apollo?"
         "Ah, that board is too busy.  Besides, I'm not $tatus like most of
    the rest."
         "Anyway, Billi, back to the subject."  I noticed that there were
    others in the room listening in.  One guy had waxy ears and the other
    didn't.  They were laughing about something all the while not noticing
    that the table they were sitting at was freshly painted.  "As for Jesus,
    you seem to be forgetting his own words when he told the disciples, "Go
    into ALL THE WORLD and preach the gospel..."  He included every living
    person in that commission.  Even as early in his ministry as John 3
    Jesus was talking about his death bringing salvation to the WHOLE world.
    Now, I know that you must get rid of the Gospels as accurate reflections
    of Jesus' words and ministry, because if they aren't, then your whole
    theory evaporates.  That is what liberal scholarship has been up to
    for years now."
         Billi frowned and then remembered:  "But Jim, you didn't answer
    my point on the Essenes."
         "I was hoping that you were kidding, Billi.  Jesus' teaching is
    a world away from the legalism of the Essenes.  The fairy-tale crock
    about Jesus living in a monastery is unbelievable - absolutely no
    evidence whatsoever.  Jesus' preaching is very different from the
    Essenic doctrines, Billi."

    Message: 45348
    Author: $ James White
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Idyll last
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 14:02:06

         "Well, I disagree with you."
         "OK, Billi, give me a brief summary of the eschatological viewpoint
    of the community at Qumran as given in the scrolls, and compare and
    contrast it with the eschatology of Jesus as revealed in the Gospels."
         Billi pushed his chair back.  "Don't be ridiculous, White!  This
    isn't a school assignment!"
         "Of course it isn't Billi.  But you don't seem to realize that if
    you are going to say things about these subjects, you'd better know
    what you are talking about.  You don't seem to realize that this whole
    issue boils down to presuppositions.  The scholars you rely on have
    presuppositions such as "the NT is inaccurate, unreliable, and should not
    be used in a discussion of Jesus."  They assume naturalistic principles
    that of course cannot allow for the miraculous element in the NT.  If
    you are going to make independent decisions about any of this, you had
    better do some independent study of the issues and facts involved!"
         "But aren't you glad I conceded that Jesus existed?"
         "Sure Billi - now we need to discuss what he taught and what he
    said.  You asked how I could justify promoting Christ as a savior for
    all humanity.  I justify that by his own statements as well as by
    the statements of the Hebrew prophets as contained in the OT. Answer
    your question?"
         I leaned over to Zak and Rod who were busily trying to wipe the
    paint off of their pants.  "Hey guys, what are the odds that God knows
    all about those "obscure historical sources"?

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    Message: 45350
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Greg Lawrence
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 17:25:33

    WELCOME Greg to Apollo. It may not seem right now that this board
    is
    versatile in it's discussions - but it is.!! Theres a small war going
    on
    right now - but it will pass. So - you like computers. What kind
    do you
    have? I have a Tandy 1000 and love it. Tell us more about yourself
    and again
    - welcome to Apollo - the best BBS in the valley! --- ANN ---

    Message: 45351
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Life
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 18:03:57

      Language grows and evolves, leaving fossils behind.  The
    individual words are like different species of animals.
    Mutations occur.  Words fuse, and then mate.  Hybrid words
    and wild varieties of compound words are the progeny.  Some
    mixed words are dominated by one parent while the other is
    recessive.  The way a word is used this year is its
    phenotype, but it has a deeply seated, immutable meaning,
    often hidden, which is the genotype.
      The language of genetics might be used in some such way to
    out
    both.

    Message: 45352
    Author: Tom Leykis
    Category: Religion
    Subject: KFYI AND MORMONS
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 18:27:39

    I would like to thank Jim White for reprinting the Article from the Latter
    Day Sentinel regarding the unusual relationship between KFYI and the LDS
    Church.

    For some time now, the so-called "official" position of the Mormons, not to
    appear on radio or television talk shows has troubled me because of the
    constant complaining of church members who don't like hearing any
    anti-Mormon sentiment on the airwaves. When anti-Semetic statements are
    made, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith is the first organization to
    voice its opposition and to offer to appear and debunk bigotry. When
    anti-black hatemongers appear on talk shows, no one jumps in faster than a
    spokesperson from the NAACP.

    When anti-Mormon sentiments are expressed, rather than offering to make an
    appearance and attack intolerance, LDS elders take to the pulpits, and to
    more insidious means such as threatening boycotts against the "offending"
    stations. The attitude is that the Mormon Church is above reproach, and that
    anyone who disagrees will be punished.

    The idea is to try to stifle any discussion of religion that might include a
    discouraging word for the Mormon faith. Rather than complaining and making
    veiled threats, why doesn't the Church go on the offensive and blow away the
    folks they feel are bigots? Anything less is, in my view, cowardly.
                                            Tom Leykis/910 KFYI/Mon-Fri 3-7 PM

    Message: 45353
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: White
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 20:40:39

    No, you are simplifying far too much.  What is questionable is whether any
    particular individual existed.  In most cases, a simple mention in any
    historical document is sufficient.  But when outrageous claims are made
    about the person, that person's existence as an historical person is
    questionable--particularly if other historians of the period fail to make
    any mention of them.  Thus we don't believe that Zeus, Hercules, or William
    Tell were historical figures.
      Suppose all documents (Marxist and non-Marxist) prior to 1960 and relating
    to 20th century Russia made no reference to Lenin, and every writer after
    1960 assumed that he organized the 1917 October Revolution.  This would be
    good evidence that Lenin was mythical.

    Message: 45354
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: gospels
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 20:44:23

    The position that the gospels were not written by eyewitnesses is also very
    mainstream.  Even the attribution of names to three of them is based on
    tradition rather than any claim to authorship made by the documents
    themselves.
       In general, it seems that when Jim White says "liberal scholarship", he
    means mainstream.

    Message: 45355
    Author: $ Mark Adkins
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: J.T.
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 20:53:47

    How about as an excersize in philosophy?

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

    *=* Late Night Bulletin Board entered *=*

    Message: 1132
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sleep
    Date: 07/25/87  Time: 01:16:08

    There are two very important phases of sleep. One, the so-called 'deep
    sleep' restores the body. The second, REM sleep, seems to restore brain
    functions (by letting some of the{free-run while 'repairs' are made to
    others). Chemical imbalances are corrected for one thing.

    Most people run on a 90-mute sleep cycle. So sleeping for 3 hours or 4.5
    hours would be good if you want to wake up refreshed (toward the end of REM
    sleep is bes, as I recall).

    This info is from "Winston Churchill's Afternoon Nap" by Jeremy Campbell. I
    highly recommend it if you are interested in how your body works.

    Rev. Beau

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