### Apollo BBS Archive - August 31, 1989

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:22:26

    Ahhhh, you'll never show up.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:That is a distinct possibility.  Wanting, or even needing to do something
     2:does not make it happen.  There is a 'mild' economic recession here in
     3:Arizona and I would say that business, my business, is down 30%.
     4:
     5:But I am still saving money so it is a possibility.  Are you planning on
     6:staying on in D.C.?  Or are you going to advance your career and come to the
     7:West?   -Me

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 19:35:40

    I will stay in D.C. at least for a couple of more years.  If I ever leave,
    I'll probably stay on the East Coast, because I'm just not a West Coast kind
    of a guy.
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     1:But what about, 'California Girls'?  I've been around the country a bit and
     2:it seems to me that the West Coast is ahead of the rest of the country.
     3:This includes thinking.
     4:
     5:What kind of cigars do you smoke?    -Rod

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5832
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 1 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:57:03

    Regarding our discussion on the BB about God, Satan etc. -- here are some
    explanations from a book called 'There is a River' - the story of Edgar
    Cayce. The following is not necessarily my personal opinion, but I will say,
    it is one of the best explanations I ever read. I am putting it on the $ta
    sig. for those that are interested and would appreciate any comments after
    it is read. So here it is ....

    Man demands a beginning and a boundary, so in the beginning there was a sea
    of spirit and it filled all space. It was static, content, aware of itself,
    a giant resting on the bosom of it's thought.
    Then it moved. It withdrew into itself, until all space was empty and that
    which had filled it was shining from it's center, a restless, seething mind.
    This was the individuality of the spirit; this was what it discovered itself
    to be when it awakened; this was God.
    God desired to express Himself and He desired companionship. Therefore, He
    projected from Himself the cosmos and souls. The cosmos was built with the
    tools which man calls music, arithmetic and geometry; harmony, system, and
    balance. The building blocks were all of the same material, which man calls
    the life essence. It was a power sent out from God, a primary ray, as man
    thinks of it, which by changing the length of it's wave and the rate of it's
    vibration became a pattern of differing forms, substance and movement. This
    created the law of diversity which supplied endless designs for the pattern.
    God played on this law of diversity as a person plays on a piano.  producing
    melodies and arranging them in a symphony. (Cont)

    Message: 5833
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 2 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:58:16

    Each design carried within it, inherently, the plan of it's evolution, which
    was to be accomplished by movement, growth, or as man calls it, change. This
    corresponds to the sound of a note struck on a piano. The sounds of several
    notes unite to make a chord; chords in turn become phases; phases become
    melodies; melodies intermingle and move back and forth, across and between
    and around each other, to make a symphony. The music ends as it began,
    leaving emptiness, but between the beginning and the finish, there has been
    glorious beauty and a great experience.
    (The terms "light," "heat," and "electricity" with regard to the cosmos are
    of no use in this type of discussion since they are effects, observed,
    sensorily, within the earth's atmosphere. The human senses do not operate
    outside the earth's atmosphere: the sun might be, to the surviving
    individuality, an idea, an influence or an angel)
    Everything moved, changed and assumed it's design in various states of form
    and substance. Activity was begun and maintained by the law of attraction
    and repulsion: positive and negative, attracting each other and repelling
    themselves, maintained the form and action of all things.
    All this was a part of God, an expression of His thought. Mind was the force
    which propelled and perpetuated it: mind did everything God imagined;
    everything that came into being was an aspect, a posture, of mind.
    Souls were created for companionship with God. The pattern used was that of
    God Himself: spirit, mind, individuality, cause, action, effect. First there
    had been spirit; then there had been the action which withdrew spirit into
    itself; then there had been the resulting individuality of God.

    Message: 5834
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 3 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:59:22

    In building the soul there was spirit, with it's knowledge of identity with
    God; there was the active principle of mind; and there was the ability to
    experience the activity of mind separately from God.
    Thus, a new individual, issuing from and dependent upon God, but aware of an
    existence apart from Him, came into being. To the new individual, there was
    given, necessarily, the power to choose and direct it's own activity;
    without free will, it would remain a part of the individuality of God. Mind,
    issuing as a force from God, would naturally fulfill His thoughts unless
    directed otherwise. The power to do this - to direct otherwise the force of
    mind - is what man calls his free will. The record of this free will is the
    soul. The soul began with the first expression which free will made of it's
    power, through the force of mind. The first thought which it generated of
    itself, the first diversion of mind force from it's normal path, was the
    beginning of the soul.
    The nucleus of the soul was in balance, positive and negative force in equal
    power, producing harmonious activity; the positive initiating, impregnating,
    thrusting forward; the negative receiving, nourishing, ejection. The steps
    of this action were the stages of thought; perception, refection, opinion.
    Thus, the soul consisted of two states of consciousness: that of the spirit,
    bearing a knowledge of it's identity with God and that of the new
    individual, bearing a knowledge of everything it experienced.

    Message: 5835
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 4 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:17:35

    The plan for the soul was a cycle of experience, unlimited in scope and
    duration, in which the new individual would come to know creation in all
    it's aspects, at the discretion of will. The cycle would be completed when
    the desire of will was no longer different from the thought of God. The
    consciousness of the new individual would then merge with it's spiritual
    consciousness of identity with God and the soul would return to it's source
    as the companion it was intended to be.
    (The idea that a return to God means a loss of individuality is paradoxical,
    since God is aware of everything that happens and must therefore be aware of
    the consciousness of each individual. Thus the return of the soul is the
    return of the image to that which imagined it and the consciousness of an
    individual - it's record, written in mind - could not be destroyed without
    destroying part of God Himself. When a soul returns to God it becomes aware
    of itself not only as a part of God, but as a part of every other soul and
    everything.
    (What is lost is the ego - the desire to do other than the will of God. When
    the soul returns to God the ego is voluntarily relinquished; this is the
    symbology of the Cricifixion.

    Message: 5836
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 5 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:18:30

    The plan for the soul included experience of all creation, but it did not
    necessarily mean identification with and participation in all forms and
    substance. Nor did it mean interference in creation by souls. It did not
    mean that they were to spin their own little worlds, twisting and bending
    laws to make images of their dreams.
    But these things could happen. The soul was the greatest thing that was
    made; it had free will. Once free will was given, God did nothing to curb
    it; however it acted, it had to act within Him; by whatever route, it had to
    return to Him.
    (The fact that man's body is a speck of dust on a small planet leads to the
    illusion that man himself is a small creation. The measure of the soul is
    the limitless activity of mind and the grandeur of imagination)
    Gradually the soul acquired experience, becoming a complementary rather than
    an imitative force. It helped to extend, modify and regulate creation.  It
    grew, as did Jesus, in "wisdom and beauty."
    Certain souls became bemused with their own power and began to experiment
    with it. They mingled with the dust of the stars and the winds of the
    spheres, feeling them, becoming part of them. One result of this was an
    unbalancing of the positive-negative force, by accentuation one or the
    other; to feel things demanded the negative force; to express through things
    and direct and manage them, required the positive force. Another result was
    the gradual weakening of the link between the two states of consciousness -
    that of the spirit and that of the individual. The individual became more

    Message: 5837
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 6 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:19:21

    ... concerned with and aware of, his own creations than God's. This was the
    fall in spirit or the revolt of the angels.
    To move into a portion of creation and become part of it, a soul had to
    assume a new or third aspect of consciousness - a method of experiencing
    that portion of creation and translating it into the basic substance of mind
    by means of thought. Man refers to this aspect of awareness as his
    "conscious mind." It is the device by which he experiences earth; physical
    body, five sense, glandular and nervous systems. In other words, in other
    systems, the device differed. Only the range and variation of man's own
    thoughts can give an idea of the number of these other worlds and systems
    and the aspects of divine mind which they represent.
    When a soul took on the consciousness of a portion of creation it separated
    itself temporarily from the consciousness of it's own individuality and
    became ever further removed from it's spirit. Thus, instead of helping to
    direct the flow of creation and contributing to it, it found itself in the
    stream, drifting along with it. The farther it went from shore, the more it
    succumbed to the pull of the current and the more difficult was the task of
    getting back to land.
    Each of the systems of stars and planets represented, in this manner, a
    temptation to the souls. Each had it's plan and moved toward it through the
    activity of a constant stream of mind. When a soul leaped into the stream,
    it had the force of the current to contend with and it's free will was
    hampered. It was easy, under these circumstances, to drift with the current.

    Message: 5838
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 7 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:20:16

    (Each system also represented an opportunity for development, advancement
    and growth toward the ideal of complete companionship with God - the
    position of co-creator in the vast system of universal mind)
    The solar system attracted souls and since each system is a single
    expression, with it's planets as integral parts, the earth came into the
    path of souls.
    (The planets of the solar system represent the dimensions of consciousness
    of the system - it's consciousness as a whole. There are eight dimension to
    the consciousness of the system. The earth is the third dimension)
    The earth was an expression of the divine mind with it's own laws, it's own
    plan, it's own evolution. The souls, longing to feel the beauty of the seas,
    the winds, the forest, the flowers, mixed with them and expressed themselves
    through them. They also mingled with the animals and made, in imitation of
    them, thought forms, they played at creating; they imitated God. But it was
    playing, an imitating, that interfered with what had already been set in
    motion, and thus, the stream of mind carrying out the plan for earth
    gradually drew souls into it's current. They had to go along with it, in the
    bodies they had themselves created.
    They were strange bodies; mixtures of animals, a patchwork of ideas about
    what it would be pleasant to enjoy in flesh. Down through the ages fables of
    centaurs, Cyclops etc. have persisted as a relic of this beginning of the
    soul's tenancy of earth.

    Message: 5839
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 8 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:33:00

    Sex already exisited in the animal kingdom, but the souls, in their thought
    forms, were androgynous. To experience sex, they created thought forms for
    companions, isolating the negative force in a separate structure, retaining
    the positive within themselves. This objectification is what man calls
    Lilith, the first woman.
    This entanglement of souls in what man calls matter was a probability from
    the beginning, but God did not know when it would happen until the souls, of
    their own choice, had caused it to happen. A way of escape for the souls was
    prepared. A form was chosen to be a vehicle for the soul on earth and the
    way was made for souls to enter earth and experience it as part of their
    cycle. Of the forms already existing on earth one of the anthropoid apes
    most nearly approached the necessary pattern.  Souls descended on these apes
    - hovering above and about them rather than inhabiting them - and influenced
    them to move toward a different goal from the simple one they had been
    pursuing. They came down out of trees, built fires, made tools, lived in
    communities and began to communicate with each other. Swiftly, even as man
    measures time, they lost their animal look, shed bodily hair and took on
    refinements of manner and habit. All this was done by the souls, working
    through glands, until the body of the ape was an objectification - in the
    third dimension of the solar system - of the soul that hovered above it.
    Then the soul descended into the body and earth had a new inhabitant; man.

    Message: 5840
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 9 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:33:45

    He appeared as a consciousness within an animal, a consciousness which was
    felt on the earth in five different places at the same time, as the five
    races. The white race appeared in the Caucasus, the Carpathians and Persia.
    The yellow race appeared in what is now the Gobi desert. The black race
    appeared in the Sudan and upper West Africa; the red race appeared in
    Atlantis; the brown race in the Andes.
    The problem was to overcome the attractions of earth to the extent that the
    soul would be as free in the body as out of it. Only when the body was no
    longer a hinderance to the free expression of the soul would the cycle of
    earth be finished.
    Man became aware, with the advent of his consciousness, that sex meant
    something more to him than to the animals. It was the door by which new
    souls entered the earth, a door unnecessary elsewhere in the system. It was
    the only means the trapped souls had of getting out of their predicament -by
    being reborn through the bodies of souls which had entered the earth through
    choice. These bodies were not entangled with animals or thought forms. They
    represented the ideal vehicle for the soul on earth.
    Therefor, sex was a creative power which could be used for good or evil.
    Used rightly, the race would be kept pure, the earth would be a paradise for
    souls in perfect bodies, the trapped souls could be freed of their cycle of
    rebirth in monstrous, half-animal forms and provided with perfect bodies.

    Message: 5841
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 10 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:34:44

    (This is the story of Adam and Eve, the serpent and the apple. The serpent,
    wisdom, offered the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eve,
    the negative, receptive force, took it and fostered it. When Adam, the
    active force, partook of it, the peaceful animal life of man was ended)
    The plan for the earth cycle of souls was a series of incarnations,
    interlarded with periods of dwelling in other dimensions of consciousness in
    the system - the planets, until every thought and every action of the
    physical body, with it's five senses and conscious mind, was in accord with
    the plan originally laid out for the soul. When the body was no longer a
    hinderance to the free expression of the soul - when the conscious mind had
    merged with the subconscious, and the atomic structure of the body could be
    controlled so that the soul was as free in it as out of it - the earth cycle
    was finished and the soul could go on to new adventures. This conquest of
    the physical body could not be attained until there was perfection in the
    other dimensions of consciousness in the system, for these made up, with the
    earth, the total expression of the sun and it's satellites.
    The race of man was fostered by a soul which had completed it's experience
    of creation and returned to God, becoming a companion to Him and a co-
    creator. This is the soul man knows as the Christ.
    The Christ soul was interested in the plight of it's brother souls and it
    took form itself, from time to time, to act as a leader for the people.

    Message: 5842
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: 11 of 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:35:34

    Though at first the souls but lightly inhabited bodies and remembered their
    identities, gradually, life after life, they descended into earthiness, into
    less mentality, less consciousness of the mind force. They remembered their
    true selves only in dreams, in stories and fables handed down from one
    generation to another. Religion came into being; a ritual of longing for
    lost memories.
    Finally man was left with a conscious mind definitely separated. (He now
    calls this individuality the subconscious mind' his awareness of earth is
    the conscious mind.) The subsconscious mind influenced the conscious mind -
    gave it, in fact, it's stature, breadth and quality. It became the body
    under the suit of clothes. Only in sleep was it disrobed.
    With his conscious mind man reasoned (for all mind, left to itself, will
    work out the plans of God). He built up theories for what he felt - but no
    longer knew - to be true. He began to look around him and discover, in the
    earth, secrets, which he carried within himself but could no longer reach
    with his consciousness. The result was science.
    The plan of man went into action. Downward he went from heavenly knowledge
    to mystical dreams, revealed religions, philosophy and theology. until the
    bottom was reached and he only believed what he could see and feel and prove
    in terms of his conscious mind. The he began to fight his way upward, using
    the only tools he had left; suffering, patience, faith and the power of
    mind.

    Message: 5843
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Final
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 17:36:49

    The Christ soul helped man. As Enoch, as Melchizedek, it took on flesh, to
    teach and lead. The Christ soul realized after these assumptions of flesh
    that it was necessary to set a pattern for man, to show him the way back to
    himself. It assumed this task and was born of woman, beginning voluntarily a
    new individuality, a new soul record; though behind this new individuality
    shone the pure Christ soul. But on this the veil dropped, and the Son of God
    began His pilgrimage. He was born as Joseph, again as Joshua, again as
    Jeshua - the scribe of Enoch, who rewrote the Bible - and finally as Jesus.
    He triumphant over death and the body, became the way, laying down the ego
    of the will, accepting the crucifixion, returning to God. He is the pattern
    we are to follow.
    ***************************************************************************

    The book goes on and on but that is the gist of the creation, Adam & Eve,
    Jesus etc. I admit it is very hard reading, but I feel the truth is
    somewhere in there waiting for understanding. Of course, the entire concept
    is based on reincarnation - a subject to which I lean towards. To me, it
    makes more sense than the Biblical version of creation, which leaves so many
    un-answered questions. This too does not answer all I admit, but it's
    interesting to get another point of view. These posts (if you are
    interested) would be better printed out for later reading. Thanks for
    listening. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 5844
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last 12
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 19:37:05

    Whoopie.

    Message: 5845
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Edgar Cayce
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:13:24

    This man was either a psycho case or a fraud, or both.

    Message: 5846
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cayce/creation
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:19:31

    OK, I'll bite, Ann.  Why do you rate it the best explanation?  Because it
    seems coherent?  Because it fits 'facts' as you understand them?  If the
    latter, please point out any underlying facts which fit the fantasy.

    Please try to excuse the strongly challenging, cynical tone in the above. I
    really would like to have a discussion about this with you, but I need to
    know upon what bases you like it/believe it.

    Message: 5847
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Cayce
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:38:05

    Tis' late and I just buffered your 12 posts.  I will read them tomorrow
    before logging on and then I will comment.

    At one time I had a book by Cayce and after reading it, I thought that
    perhaps the guy had had a childhood mishap or something that affected his
    mind.  I think he believed what he says but to me it didn't impress my mind
    very much.

    I caught the word, universal mind, while the screen was scrolling.  I think
    it is very possible that one exists, one of which we are all a part of.  We
    are, our operating system, composed of energy and there is so much energy in
    the universe that it is hard to comprehend just how much.

    But just because I may believe so and so does, in no way, make it fact.
    There are just some things that no one seems to really know (except by
    faith) and won't know as long as they have these physical bodies.  And still
    again we may never know, which is one of the true possibilities of
    existence.  We just do not know.  Physical death is not a guarantee that we
    will all of a sudden know everything, either.

    Thank you for taking the time to share those views.  I will read them and
    respond.    -Rod

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 378
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/message
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 01:47:49

    It means I was thinking about you.

    Message: 379
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Picture 8x10
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 10:48:25

            Well, B-Dog was correct...  The pictures did not come out that great
    in the shop light.  So I have heard from a rumor.  We may need to get
    together again some time for a PHOTO GT where EVERYONE can come from ALL the
    SIGs...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 380
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:45:58

    Sounds good but I must warn you, I charge to have my picture taken.

    Message: 381
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:46:12

    Are you still working?

    Message: 382
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: The 8x10
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:21:16

    I wasn't the only one, and as I recall, I wasn't the first one to predict a
    bit of color modification due to the flourescent light.  Someone suggested
    that the flash would help correct for that, and I relented.  Not having seen
    the pictures, however, I don't know what the problems were.

    Message: 383
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Picture GT
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:22:09

    What if the GoH (Guest of Honor) wants to show up?

    Message: 384
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/answer
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:50:46

            We will 'wing it'....   You worry too much!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 385
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Green
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:41:33

    We may look better green.  Next time though, we need a filter unless we use
    regular lighting.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 60615
    Author: Pat Ryan
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 08/30/89  Time: 21:56:17

    Where did matter come from?  Well, first we must determine whether or not
    matter exists.  Then we must question your hidden premise in your question:
    matter must have come from somewhere, that is to say, it was created, by
    some process.
    Assuming that matter exists, and that it has not in fact always existed --
    that it was created by some process, the answer to your question is, nobody
    knows.  However, if you asked the question rhetorically, to illustrate some
    philosophical, or theosophical point, I would have to answer your question
    with another question:  Where did the processes that created matter come
    from?  And those?  And those?  And those?  (ad infinitum)

    Message: 60616
    Author: Pat Ryan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/logic
    Date: 08/30/89  Time: 21:58:30

    True enough.  However, I would point out that the logic you spoke of was
    based on faulty premises (that disease was caused by bad blood, and could be
    cured by bloodletting).  Thus, it was not reasonable.

    Message: 60617
    Author: Nick Gotti   NOTE:  This was me ****
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: God loves Satan
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 00:58:04

    But it is obvious to the most casual observer that Satan does not love God.
    God should put out a contract on Satan and end evil.

    Message: 60618
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last few..
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 01:26:40

            I swear, you guys want a life about as exciting as a bowl of
    goldfish.  I am glad I don't live in your world.  You need evil in order to
    appreciate the 'good' things in life... Otherwise, how would you know?

            About the 'Bad blood letting'... at that time in science, it was
    good LOGIC to do such things when one was sick.  It would not be logic by
    todays standards.... more like stupidity.  The point being, what seems to be
    logic at the time, does not make it so.

            There is more out there that we don't know than we do know!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60619
    Author: Al Einstein   **** This was me****
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Matter - Origins
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 01:28:54

    Once upon a time when there was no matter in the entire universe, all
    that existed were the ethers.  Before we can go any further, one must
    imagine the un-imaginable.  That is to say, one must try to comprehend
    just how enormous  the 'entire' universe is.  Of course it cannot be
    understood by all of the minds, or computers, of the earth.  Just take
    my word that it is BIG.

    We all know by now that glitchs are in all things.  Everything has an
    imperfection.  Somewhere in the black universe of nothingness, at one
    point, push came to shove.  The ethers, through a glitch, turned back
    on itself.  A swirl developed and the bigger the swirl the more the
    inner area became traumatzied.  Ether against ether, creating friction
    which produced heat, which produced sparks, which is matter.  When the
    inner area became extremely super-heated and of the proper size the
    known universe was created all in one gigantic big bang.  Matter has
    been flying ever since.   -Al

    Message: 60620
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last/laughable
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 01:38:38

            Heat makes sparks????  Sparks can only be made by MATTER and not
    heat alone.  And everything does not have an inperfection.  Science is
    finding out there is incredable PERFECTION in the order of things and in
    building blocks of the universe. The building blocks are created by God if
    you must know.
            That last post smacks of ROD all over it.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60621
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 01:55:57

    You mean it wasn't really Einstein?
    What a letdown.

    Message: 60622
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: blood letting
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 03:12:35

    In medicine, things that seem antiquated or even downright crude can make a
    comeback. The use of leeches and maggots has enjoyed a recent resurgence in
    popularity, for example.

    Message: 60623
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 06:09:36

     There have been many personal attacks posted on Apollo over the years
    Cliff, by many users, including yourself as well as me. The difference
    between you and most of the rest of us, however, is the fact that you never
    seem to forgive and FORGET any that have been aimed in your direction in the
    heat of an argument, but will hold such things in your heart, and bring them
    up months or even years later.
     That simple fact indicates that you do indeed harbor a spirit of bitterness
    toward those whom you feel have hurt or insulted you. You can SAY all you
    want about not being bitter, but your actions in regurgitating old wounds
    and throwing them back in the face of the originator speaks much louder than
    your posted statements.
     When you can learn to forgive, forget and chill out, you'll feel much
    better. God bless.

    Message: 60624
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last on heat
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 10:46:11

            Ask James Hawley about bitter posts between us... Todd Reese, James
    Taranto, Rod Williams, Peter Petrisko, Nick Ianuzzi and others that I have
    had some bitter fights with. They are all good friends now and the fights
    have long since been forgotten. Forgive and forget I can understand... to
    'Chill Out' as you put it is an insult when used as you use it.  You never
    can post a uninsulting post. Research the use of that expression and get
    back with me.

            The fights with the above users were tough...but physical traits
    were kept out of them.  You went to that level of mud slinging, not I!

            Again, I laugh about it when I talk about it with friends.  The big
    grudge you think I hold is just vapor in your mind.  I read all your posts
    with an open mind... not a mind of anger.  I smile at most and at others I
    raise an eyebrow now and then.  You amaze me how fast you go from cold or
    warm to boiling hot, then refuse to fess up to what you have said.

            If you feel 'HATE' in my post as you suggest...  You had better go
    seek help somewhere.  I know at this very instant, you have made my day with
    your responce, and I have a great big GRIN painted from my face to my heart!

    *=* the 'Mighty' (I can handle it) Apollo SYSOP *=*
    P.S. When you let me know that you are not offended by my voice, is when I
    will talk to you.  I am only trying NOT to offend you.

    Message: 60625
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on loving
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 11:10:56

    Assumning that the Bible is true (ahem!) - then God would love Satan most of
    all. If I recall, he was his favorite angel but Satan rebeled and using free
    will (?) went his merry way. Guess you'd say he was jealous of God's power
    and wanted his own. If this is all so - then perhaps God is waiting for
    Satan to come back and repent. Again, I'm assuming that he can come back if
    he wanted to. Maybe Paul will elaborate on this being up on the Bible more
    than I am. It seems to me I read somewhere that God misses Satan.
                             -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60626
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/good & evil
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 11:16:45

    Re: your quote about there being evil so we can appreciate the good ....
    ....... well, I'd prefer there would be no evil! Everything would then be
    'good' and who needs to appreciate that? Appreciation would not be in our
    vocabulary. We would not know any better. If all of this was indeed true -
    why didn't God have evil when he created Adam & Eve? They didn't know the
    difference until Satan showed them. It proved to me that mankind could live
    without evil! -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60627
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Blood-letting
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:50:15

    What do you mean, Cliff?  Everytime I get to feeling ill, I pull a
    fingernail and I always get better.  Try it.

    Message: 60628
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/grudge
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:51:01

    Then how come the last time I saw you, you jumped all over me about
    something I did in 1984?  (smile)

    Message: 60629
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Al Einstein
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 15:55:22

            Well, at least it IS a theory.  I wonder how long the universe was
    without matter before the first particle came into existence?

            For all we know it could have been 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
    to the millionth power, eons or billions of times longer than that.  Given
    such a length in eternity, anything can happen, including ugly lifeforms
    coming into existence?  What we REALLY know can be written on the head of a
    pin.  -Rod
    Message: 60630
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Last/Ah!
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:30:30

    So...there could be a God...because we don't know all there is to know. How
    dare we say and think our perception of logic is by anymeans the last word.
    I am sure we don't even think on the same level as a supreme being thinks,
    and our so called 'logic' is gibberish.  Theorys are fine, but they are just
    that, theorys.  So let's not burn bridges behind us just in case there is a
    God.  It can't hurt to believe or hope, and it sure ain't going to cost you
    anything if it is not true.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60631
    Author: $ Robert Knee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Abortion
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 19:09:53

    After reading the posts on abortion, I have come to the conclusion that
    current case law on the subject (Roe, Webster, etc.) is adequate until such
    time as the Supreme Court decides to change it.  Now, I would like to turn
    our attention to another subject:  Which is superior, Apples or TRS-80s?
    Your comments, please.

    Message: 60632
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mr. Elbow
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:11:11

    It is clear, sir, that you do not read any of the posts related to your
    subject questions.

    Since you ask, however, neither the TRS-80 nor the Apple IIs are worthy of
    consideration as 'superior' except as landfill.

    Message: 60633
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Hurricane prediction
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:17:27

    Well, as most of us probably expected, the prediction wasn't even close. Not
    only wasn't there a hurricane during late August, but it wasn't off of the
    southern Atlantic states, and it didn't hit land.

    Message: 60634
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: B-Dog/msg 60632
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:55:12

            There went your mail on OLD 'Tom R. Slone the 1st'.....  Landfill
    indeed!  Humph!

            An Apollo Raspberry to you sir!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=* [--- remember that!

    Message: 60635
    Author: $ John Kennedy
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kennedy Jokes
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 21:54:37

    This is to let all you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans know that John Kennedy
    is alive and well AND(perish the thought) living in Arizona. Kinda makes old
    Ev look good doesn't it?

    Message: 60636
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/God
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:44:45

    Of course there COULD be a god.  But nobody knows one way or another.  You
    can say that you believe there is one, by faith or whatever, but this does
    not prove anything other than what you believe.

    If there is a god then allow me to go on public record, right now.  "I don't
    think you are a very good person."

    Message: 60637
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Robert Nose
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:46:48

    An Apple you can eat but a TRS-80 you can't even take back.

    Message: 60638
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Theories
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:50:48

    It would be interesting if all Apollo users came up with a theory about how
    matter came about.  We know that it exists and all one has to do is trace it
    back to its origins.  Simple enough, eh?  Anyway, I will give the best
    theortist a $5. bill.  Fair enough.

    By the way, here is my theory:

    God created the world six thousand, some odd years ago.  It took him a whole
    week to come up with this marvelous system.  I forget on which day He
    created matter but I suspose it tells us in the only true Bible, the
    Christian version.

    Rod

    Message: 60639
    Author: Edgar Cayce
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hurricane Prediction
    Date: 09/01/89  Time: 00:20:56

    I have discovered a method (called "magic" by the superstitious) whereby I
    can communicate with intelligences (commonly, but incorrectly assumed to be
    supernatural) who are privy to information by a manner beyond my
    comprehension.  The vast amount of this communication is totally
    incomprehensible (to me), and of that small fraction which is intelligible
    to some degree, a large portion is innacurate.  Were the process uniformely
    reliable, I would be a rich, rich man.
    Temporal matters are particularly confused.  They seem to have trouble
    differentiating between past, present, and future.

    Obviously, the free-will necessitates evil argument is a crock.  God has
    free-will, and yet he is all good (or so says the dogma).  There is no
    reason why God could not have, then, created beings that were in this regard
    truly in his image.
    The concept of God as an omnipotent being is self-contradictory.
    Furthermore, a benevolent, all-powerful God would never have created
    conditions which allow suffering and injustice.  A malevolent, all powerful
    God would never have created conditions in which justice and goodness may
    exist.  An indifferent, omnipotent God would never have created anything at
    all, and in any case, no being which is all-powerful (and thus, all-wise)
    would be capable of such indifference.
    If you define God as a being of considerable, but finite power, you define a
    fallible, imperfect being -- hardly worthy of worship.  I suppose, to an
    animal, man must be a god.  Man, however, is hardly worthy of the title.
    Thus it is clear that God does not exist, and never has, and that gods are
    nothing more than relatively powerful beings, about as worthy of worship as
    you or I.

    Finally, while leeches and maggots have their place in medicine, they are
    hardly used in the manner, or after the theories, of medieval quackery, as I
    am certain Nick is aware.  He simply has a propensity for iconoclastic
    irony.

    Message: 60641
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last/Edgar
    Date: 09/01/89  Time: 00:46:28

    Welcome aboard.  Why not buy status?

    Message: 60642
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Creation
    Date: 09/01/89  Time: 00:47:41

    Anything that would create me without my express permission, then
    cause others and myself to go through horrendous times, gives us a
    sorry excuse for a body, makes the environment either too hot or too
    cold except for two weeks each year, doesn't have my respect.

    The first rule of life is to not inflict on others things which are
    unpleasant, to say the least.  No one has this right.

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 561
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 06:43:00

    I'll take the latter

    Message: 562
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/choices
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 11:20:39

    I believe that! -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 563
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: choices
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:00:08

    I'd take all four.  What a glorious way to die that would be.  However, it
    is not death that is painful, it is living.  Death is probably the easiest
    thing to do since birth.  Where does one go after death?  Where did one come
    from before birth?

    These and many more questions do I have.  And there ain't a soul among us
    that can give an answer.

    However, I am a channeler for BOB and through him I see all, know all and
    tell all.  I am also full of shit.  -Rod

    Today's prayer:  Damn, why can't we evolve faster, oh great BoB?

    Bob sez:  Shut up and eat your spinach.

    Message: 564
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 16:52:53

    See my posts in the $ta sig for the answers. Ha.

    Message: 565
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/Ann
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 20:57:21

            Those were great posts Ann...  A lot to think on there for sure, but
    I like the idea and train of thought being shown.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 566
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last/train
    Date: 08/31/89  Time: 23:51:55

    That and two cents won't even get you a BJ.

    Message: 567
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God!
    Date: 09/01/89  Time: 00:02:36

    On the PUBlic board you keep spelling God with a small 'g'... the proper
    English for that word is with a capital 'G'.  This is true for even those
    who do not believe.  If you wish to talk the subject, there are many of us
    who will do so, so you could at least be polite and use proper grammer rules
    in doing so.  A little request... (for a small mind)  Ha ha ha ha... I
    couldn't help but add that little bit....  Sorry... Grin!

    So please consider it Rod... there in no need to antagonize on the PUBlic
    board.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 568
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: a god
    Date: 09/01/89  Time: 00:53:21

    Whenever one is talking about a specific god then it should be capitalized.
    For instance, God said to Jesus, "make me some more wine."

    And then:  There are many gods held to be a true god by the human animal.
    Yet in the ignorance of the human pea brain there is not the true foggiest
    idea if a god exists anywhere.

    The Christian God, Jehovah, made this coming Monday a holiday (from the word
    Holy-day as in Christmas).  I think I will relax and stay the hell away from
    the super-heated outdoors.

    I believe I have been following these rules and if not then it was a
    flat-out error in grammar on my part and I am trying not to make errors
    because I am learing how to write. Right? -Rod