### Apollo BBS Archive - September 6, 1988

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    Message: 4134
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 03:17:37

    You are beginning to frustrate me. At least read the discussion thoroughly
    before you comment. If you re-read my message on percentage rent, you find
    that I explained how it works, and that the landlord does not receive a
    percentage of all profits. In another of my messages I mentioned free rent
    being a common incentive provided by landlords.

    Message: 4135
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 03:22:35

    You are beginning to frustrate me. At least read the messages thoroughly
    before you comment. If you re-read my message about percentage rent, you'll
    find that I explained that the landlord only receives a percentage of the
    gross when a tenant's income exceeds an amount specified in the lease.

    Message: 4136
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 03:56:38

    You are beginning to frustrate me.  Sounds like this Nick guy is a very
    frustrated fellow.

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

    Message: 4137
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David/malls
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 08:10:29

    And you might want to re-read your #4131 post because one statement you made
    didn't make sense -- "Obviously it stops when it's no longer benificial"!
    Since when would it ever NOT be beneficial to the landlord?
    I have no objections it a tenant & landlord want to do this - I personally
    would not rent a mall space under those conditions nor if I owned one, would
    I do that. Sorry - it's a matter of different opinions here. I am NOT saying
    you are wrong at all - I just believe differently!
    Just the other day I was talking to a video store owner that had just moved
    to this location. I knew where she had came from and wondered why she moved,
    giving up an attractive new small mall, seemingly in an excellant location.
    She told me the owner wanted a percentage - plus the rent was nearly $2,000
    per month and she could not make a good living there with her over head.
    This other mall is older with a good location - the rent is $1,800 and the
    stipulation was 'a 2 year lease'! She said the business was thriving. All
    the spaces are rented in that mall and the landlord IS/has to be making a
    good living off of it. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4138
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 08:11:47

    I'm sorry I frustrate you so bad. If you'd just realize that there are other
    opinions than your own, then you wouldn't have to suffer so. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4139
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/#4123
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 09:19:55

    Todd,

       Private ownership is in almost all animals...not just man (and your 3
    year old).  We have a 6 month old Peach Faced Parrot (cute little thing) and
    it knows what is his!!  You try to take out it's food dish or bells or bar
    bell and it'll give you what for!!  Those items are HIS and are not to be
    touched.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 4140
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 09:28:46

       Let's try it from another angle Ann.  Let's say a theoretical store
    should rent for $2400 a month.  But the landlord rents it for $1600 plus a
    share of the gross over $20,000.
       1st month  rent = $1600 .... just getting started, little/no business.
       2nd month  rent = $1600 .... still setting up, sold $10,000 gross
       3rd month  rent = $1600 .... grossed $20,000..
       4th month  rent = $1800 .... grossed $30,000
       5th month  rent = $2000 .... grossed $40,000
       6th month  rent = $2200 .... grossed $50,000
       7th month  rent = $2400 .... 1st month landlord breaks even.

       So for 6 months this new store got a break on it's rent...a break it
    needed while getting it's feet off the ground.  By the time that it's paying
    more than the $2400, it should be in a profitable situation...if they know
    how to run a business.

       I know a computer store that was in a flat-rate center but once he moved
    to a share of the gross center (better location) his sales tripled!  There's
    no way that he would move back to where he was.  And your video store owner
    will probably find herself back into a share of the gross rental once her 2
    year lease expires....if the center is as good as you say and stays as full
    as you say.  Flat rate shopping centers are usually desperate...that's why
    they go to flat rate rents...they need the renters.  Once that changes, so
    do they.

    Message: 4141
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Lloyd/last
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 11:11:34

    Good explaination LLoyd and I do not think this is bad at all. I was talking
    about the landlords that take a profit right from the beginning and continue
    to do so. Oops - I mean a percentage of the sales! No doubt, in a good mall,
    $2,200 per month rent is not high. So in your case - the landlord gave the
    tenant a good brake until he got on his feet and then finally got his 'fair'
    rent. But I do not think the rent should go up from that nor should the
    landlord get anymore from the tenant. See you later. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4142
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 14:29:01

    You're beginning to frustrate me.
    Of course there's a situation where the landlord would be no longer
    benefiting; a business could be messing the place up, or maintenance costs
    could go very high, or the business could be so ill-kept that neighboring
    tenants complained, and so on.  You are simply doing what you accused Nick
    of: failing to see the other side.
    Explain to me how the first landlord hurt that video store owner.  If what
    he was offering was truly bad, he was only hurting himself -- because he was
    driving away good tenants.
    Also, could you explain to me why you're complaining?  If you don't want the
    government to do something, then what are you saying?  If this is bad for
    tenants, than the malls that do this won't get good tenants and will only
    hurt themselves.
    Doesn't it occur to you that since there are several people trying to
    explain this to you, that maybe your opinion needs re-thinking?

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     1:        If someone took the bird cage from the bird that is staying at your
     2:house and smashed it, would the bird then object?  I don't know, I just work
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    Message: 4145
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David/malls
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 06:24:43

    I am not disagreeing with anyone here - I am just giving my side on what I
    think is right and wrong. I do not think that landlords should take people's
    money just because they rent from them. We have too many 'middlemen' in our
    society with their hands in our pockets. Why should the landlord be
    guaranteed anything - a buffer against the gamble he took when he
    built/bought the mall?

    I talked again with that video store lady yesterday and ask her more
    details. Right from the beginning, the landlord gave no breaks and charged
    $2,000 per month for a smallish space in a very small mall! She took the
    gamble because the mall was located in a good spot and a convient store was
    to be put in. He also wanted a percentage right off. (she did not say how
    much!) The business flourished but because of the high rent and the
    percentage rake off - she was not making what she knew she could. The
    promiced convience store was never put in - the deal fell through she found
    out later because he was taking too much of a cut out of the profits and
    they wouldn't go for it. Two other businesses that moved in there had to
    move also. By the way - her rent was to go up over a five year period to
    $2,500. (Contractual!) She also complained of the extra paper work just to
    satisfy him that he was getting his fair cut. He policed the place often. I
    just don't think this is fair. (The rake off was to continue as long as she
    was there too) Do you think this if fair - is good business? I don't.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4146
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David/more on malls
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 06:47:04

    Where she is now - the rent is under $2,000 per month - no percentage rake
    off - she's making a good living and so is the landlord because everyone of
    the stores are filled.

    About three years ago we were seriously thinking of opening a Mr. Movie
    franchise. I talked at length with the guy that owned one near us. This
    store is in a 'super' mall (small) with a Lucky's store in it and every
    space taken for years. I remember cringing at the rent of $3,200 per month
    and ask how he could afford that. He said because the landlord does not take
    a cut of the profits - even after the store got going good. There was a
    ceiling on the rent of $3,800 also. The guy was just about to go into that
    category but it didn't worry him. Because of this - only good quality stores
    are in that mall - people that could afford it and chances are would not
    fold. The landlord is fairly raking in the dough without any leeching of the
    tenants. Because of his high rents - he made money from the beginning,
    continues to do so - lured good tanants in there and they are making a great
    living. I personally think the rents are too high - but it beats the heck
    out of leeching! It culls out the tenants that probably wouldn't make it to
    begin with. I don't 100% disagree with what your saying - it no doubt works
    for some. But there are other ways. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4147
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Percentage
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 09:05:43

    The landlord *must* be making some money based upon the store's income, or
    why else would the video store owner be about to 'change categories' to a
    higher monthly rent?

    Sounds to me like this is similar to some of the other plans that have been
    explained over the last week, not one of the 'other ways'.

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    Message: 54043
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Carter
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 05:25:43

    Back in 1984, that was a true statement.
    What does that have to do with Goldwater being an insufferable ass and a
    consumate politician, both of which he was?

    Message: 54044
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/Goldwater
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 07:53:51

    I would venture to say - "He IS the hub of the Az. political machine" -
    - And - "He started it all"! His power is still strong - probably more than
    the elected officials right now - and he's not even in office! I agree with
    Paul on the unsufferable ass bit! That he is. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. A lot of his 'dealings' are through his brother - so that his record
    has remained spotless.

    Message: 54045
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 14:31:48

    Could you back that up with some evidence?

    Message: 54046
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Goldwater
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 16:46:23

    "I do solemnly swear or affirm that I will support and defend the
    Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
    that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will take
    this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;
    and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on
    which I am about to enter, so help me God."

            This is the oath required by the Constitution to be taken by
    Senators under Rule 2.   Barry M. Goldwater took this oath in 1952 and has
    told it like it was ever since.  This man is hardly an insufferable ass, as
    one Paul Savage has chosen to suggest in his verbal assault on what is
    considered to be our finest United States Senator ever.

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

    Message: 54047
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 17:11:59

    There is going to be a Get Together this Friday, the 9th, at the Peter Piper
    Pizza near Metrocenter.  It will start at 8 pm.
    If you're interested, post a message.  The starting time may be flexible,
    but the date really isn't.  It's not meant to be a huge GT (if anyone wants
    to plan one of those for later, go ahead).  We'll eat some pizza, and see a
    movie and/or go to Golf'n'Stuff and see if anyone can beat me at air hockey.

    Message: 54048
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 21:58:09

    My wombat could beat you at air hockey.

    Message: 54049
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: SAVAGES
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 22:01:39

    I'd reason to say that you considered him an "insufferable ass" because
    like many worms, you don't like to hear it "like it is.."

    Message: 54050
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Friday
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 22:14:51

    Say a prayer for the lonely while I play Rambo with the Nat'l Guard.
    You pick the wierdest dates, Dave.
    I'll bring my wombat next time....

    Message: 54051
    Author: Dan Deacon
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: *IRQ #$06*
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 00:30:48

    ^C

    "Reagan should have been picking up his brothers and sisters from the
    roadside, instead he sits on his a$$ in the white house, and sends them to
    war."

    "And you need to be cleaned up."

    "Nnnnnnext..."

    ____madison

    Message: 54052
    Author: Mike Scheibel
    Category: In search of
    Subject: RailFans
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 01:13:34

       ATTENTION  RAILFANS

    If you are interested in railroads and railroading IN THE SLIGHTEST and are
    interested in forming a club,  please contact Mike Scheibel on this BBS.
    Also, as I have moved here just recently, leave any info you may have on
    existing clubs, groups, etc.  I have been interested in railroading for
    quhile, and have founded an informal club in Prescott, AZ (Prescott RailFan
    Association).

    Please contact me on this BBS, or write:

         Mike Scheibel - PRFA
         1215 S. Forest
         Best R.H. box 131
         Tempe, AZ  85281-2035

                    Thanks!

                     -- Mike

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    Message: 54053
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Books
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 02:20:50

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    Message: 54055
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Does anyone know ..
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 07:16:21

    .. what happened to Apro Poet? =*--ANN--*=

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    Message: 54056
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carter/Kobblestone
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 10:05:29

    My refereence to Barry Goldwater as an insufferable ass was an expresion of
    my opinion, to which I am as entitled as you are to yours.
     Mine was based on some brief personal acquaintenance, and as far as I am
    concerned, valid.
    The fact that he was and is an insufferable ass does not subtract one iota
    from the fact that he was a very influential and powerful senator when he
    was in office.
    That he was the "greatest senator ever" is certainly open to question.

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    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/GT
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 02:27:25

            Air hockey or hot air hockey?

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    Message: 199
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Kobble Stone
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 02:41:52

    Oh Bob!  Now that the Sysop's have all this spare time, they are dreaming up
    all these lame users to annoy us.

    Gee my modem is actually working....

    Message: 200
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Jack Hammer & Lame
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 04:03:21

            No, No, Not the Jack Hammer.  What did I do to you?

            Who you calling a "lame user"?  And who is "Bob"?

            Gee my modem is actually working.... (No shit Dick Tracy)

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

    Message: 201
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Saved
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 07:27:59

         Annie dear would you baptise me in your pool? Or do we have to go to a
    river? Gee all the other GEEKS just won't know the JOY that being Baptised
    by Annie The ASSSSSP could be.

        I would very much like to see ROD and this J T shown the right or is it
    the left path to take. Oh well they will take the wrong one whichever. I
    hope that they end up on the plantet Earth.
                                      The Old Fat Ralph

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     1:        Yes, it's working because when you tested it on my computer, BOB was
     2:(is) a part of my system (I keep him in ROM).  PRAISE BOB (although BOBRA
     3:has bigger tits.)
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    Message: 202
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Kobble Stones
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 19:10:03

    Is Cliff.

    Message: 203
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Daryl DickHead
    Subject: Hey you
    Date: 09/06/88  Time: 22:12:50

    Quit dousing the Mongolian Fire Oil Potatoe scanners o.k?

    Message: 204
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Rod/Using The F Word
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 01:37:59

    Saying f***? I dunno. I'm just a plain old user. I just took a risk in using
    the word f*** on this board. I didn't know it would cause such an uproar.
    Can we use the f*** word here? Don't ask me, how the fuck should I know?

    Message: 205
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Mike Farter
    Subject: Ah, shaddap
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 01:39:27

    ...ye festering pile of regurgitated rhinoceros testicles sealed in a
    colostomy bag!

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    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Old Fart Ralph B.
    Subject: planet earth
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 02:23:21

            Being sentenced to this planet is the worst thing I can think of,
    Ralphie, me boy!

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    Subject: Modem/BOB
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 02:25:33

            Yes, it's working because when you tested it on my computer, BOB was
    (is) a part of my system (I keep him in ROM).  PRAISE BOB (although BOBRA
    has bigger tits.)
            * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod

    P.S.  Hopes this answers everyones questions.

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    Message: 209
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: & James Hawley?
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 03:05:58

            What you say brother?  Me, Cliff?  Ha ha ho ha ho ho ho.
    Guess again.

            Who is Bob in ROM?  I don't get it.

            I did not know we could say the "F" word anywhere on this BB

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

    Message: 210
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Hawley Crock Smith
    Subject: Knobble Stones is ..
    Date: 09/07/88  Time: 07:07:19

    ... a strange sort. He answers on this board, yet does not have a category!
    He is status - yet did not make himself known when he did join - you know,
    introduce himself! Just jumped right in like he knew everything that was
    going on! He also logs in on 2400 baud - and I know of only one regular user
    that has that kind of baud! Heh heh heh - the sculker strikes again! Bye.
    =*--ANN--*=

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