### Apollo BBS Archive - December 16, 1988

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4940
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Joe
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 15:04:26

    What if I felt homicidal?

    Message: 4941
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David, Last.
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 18:55:45

    Then we'd find a gay singles group for you. (snicker)

    Message: 4942
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Paul/feelings
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 03:14:17

    What?

    Message: 4943
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: David/homicidal
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 03:20:14

    David, that is a sign that you not dealing with other hurt feelings. Like
    anger, a homicidal feelings is really a secondary feeling, or more percise
    an emotional reaction to a more base feeling.

                                   <<< Joe >>>

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2455
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Pat
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 10:41:25

    I don't get it.  Please explain.

    Message: 2456
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 15:21:49

    Yeah, but I sent the rest of it to Ann.

    Message: 2457
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: For you, Ann
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 22:12:55

      It was the night before Christmas, and all through the house,
    everyone felt shitty, even the mouse.
    Mom at the whore house, and Dad smoking grass,
    I had just settled down for a nice piece of ass.
    When out of the lawn I heard such a clatter,
    I sprang from my piece to see what was the matter.
    When out on the lawn I saw a big dick,
    I knew in a moment it must be Saint Prick.
    He came down the chimney like a bat out of hell,
    I knew in a moment the bastard had fell.
    He filled our stockings with pretzels and beer,
    and a big rubber dick for my brother, the queer.
    He rose up the chimney with a thunderous fart,
    and the son of a bitch blew our chimney apart.
    He swore and cussed as he rode out of sight,
    Shouting "Piss on you all, and have a hell of a night!"

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 2458
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Pat/last joke
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 06:14:56

    I appriciate that you dedicated that lovely poem to me - but didn't I post
    that very same one last Christmas? Hahahahaha Keep them coming.
    -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2459
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/David/12 in.
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 06:17:02

    Rod - 12 inches ain't bad no matter how you look at it!
    David - SO! Your the culprit eh?
    Sandy - Down girl! I know what the mention of 12 inches will do to you even
    if half of it is missing! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2460
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Who-dun-it
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 13:34:24

            But I thought everyone knew that it was David.

    Message: 56052
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Something about Nick
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 10:38:43

    He likes Star Trek and Paranet.

    Message: 56053
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 15:25:18

    Or you could just read the True Facts right out of National Lampoon.  You
    even get photos.

    Message: 56054
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Once Again...
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 19:08:45

    Daryl's famous holiday cookies kick culinary butt!

    (just thought I would say that.)

    Message: 56055
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Dave's Christmas
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 19:22:55

      There is a special request by a terminally ill boy in
    Florida.  David has cancer and his "special Christmas wish"
    is to break the world record for the most Christmas cards
    received by an individual.  The current record of 62,824 was
    established by a San Francisco man in 1974.  Address your
    Christmas cards to: David, P.O.Box 5997, Springhill, FL 34604.
    Please pass this message along to others who care.

    Message: 56056
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Chomsky
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 19:34:00

      The US is intent on winning its war against Nicaragua in
    the same way.  Nicaragua must first be driven to dependence
    on the USSR, to justify the attack that must be launched
    against it to punish it for its violation of the Fifth
    Freedom.  If this attack does not succeed in restoring the
    country to the happy state of Haiti or the Dominican
    Republic, or of the Samoza years, then at least it must
    ensure that no successful social and economic development can
    take place there; the rotten apple must not be allowed to
    infect the barrel.  It is very hard for a great power with
    the strength of the US to be defeated in a conflict with
    such adversaries, and it rarely is, though a failure to
    achieve maximal objectives is naturally regarded as a great
    defeat by those of limitless ambition and aims, further proof
    that we are a pitiful, helpless giant at the mercy of yellow
    dwarves.
      The same essentially invariant nexus of principles and
    assumptions, often internalized to the point of lack of
    conscious awareness, explains another curious feature of US
    international behavior: the hysteria evoked by threats to
    "stability" in countries of no economic or strategic interest
    to the US, such as Laos or Grenada.  In the case of Grenada,
    US hostility was immediate after the Bishop government took
    power in 1979.  It was seriously maintained that this speck
    in the Caribbean posed a security threat to the United
    States.  Distinguished military figures and commentators
    issued solemn pronouncements on the threat posed by Grenada
    to shipping lanes in the event of a Soviet attack on Western
    Europe; in fact, in this event, if a Russian toothpick were
    found on Grenada the island would be blown away, on the
    unlikely assumption that such a war would last long enough
    for anyone to care.  Laos, half way round the world, is
    perhaps a still more remarkable case.  Laos actually had a
    relatively free election in 1958, despite massive US efforts
    to subvert it.  The election was won by a coalition dominated
    by the Pathet Lao, the Communist-led anti-French guerrillas.
    The government was immediately overthrown by US subversion in
    favor of "pro-western neutralists," soon replaced by
    right-wing military elements so reactionary and corrupt that
    even the pro-American groups found themselves lined up with
    the Pathet Lao, and supported by the USSR and China.  By
    1961, a US-organized army of highland tribesmen (utterly
    decimated, finally, as a result of their mobilization for US
    subversion and aggression) was fighting under the leadership
    of former French collaborators under CIA control.  Through
    the sixties, Pathet Lao-controlled areas were subjected to
    the fiercest bombing in history (soon to be exceeded in
    Cambodia), in an effort "to destroy the physical and social
    infrastructure" (in the words of a Senate subcommittee).  The
    government conceded that this bombardment was not related to
    the war in South Vietnam or Cambodia.  This was what is
    called in American Agitprop a "secret bombing" - a technical
    term referring to US aggression that is well-known but
    concealed by the media, and later blamed on evil men in the
    government who have departed from the American Way - as also
    in the case of Cambodia, a fact that is suppressed until
    today.  The purpose of this attack against a country of
    scattered villages, against people who may not have even
    known that Laos existed, was to abort a mild
    revolutionary-nationalist movement that was attempting to
    bring about some reforms and popular mobilization in northern
    Laos.
      Why should such great powers as Grenada and Laos evoke
    this hysteria?  The security arguments are too ludicrous to
    consider, and it is surely not the case that their resources
    were too valuable to lose, under the doctrine of the Fifth
    Freedom.  Rather, the concern was the domino effect.  Under
    the rotten apple theory, it follows that the tinier and
    weaker the country, the less endowed it is with resources,
    the more dangerous it is.  If even a marginal and
    impoverished country can begin to utilize its own limited
    human and material resources and can undertake programs of
    development geared to the needs of the domestic population,
    then others may ask: why not us?  The contagion may spread,
    infecting others, and before long the Fifth Freedom may be
    threatened in places that matter.

    Message: 56060
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Christmas Card/Paul
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 03:31:56

    Paul, can you check on Apro Poet suggestion about send this boy David a
    Christmas card. I would like to make sure it is not a hoax before I sent
    one. Maybe one of your excoworkers would know about this.

                                   <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 56061
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann's car
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 03:37:42

    Hey, at least my Vega hatchback is made of metal.

    Message: 56062
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 06:11:22

    Metal? Isn't that the obsolete stuff they used to make cars with? Hmmm ..
    ... I'd forgotten. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 56063
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: David-cards
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 12:42:28

    For the fourth Christmas in a row, the "poor sick child wants Christmas
    cards" hoax has surfaced.  According to U.S. Postal authorities, there is no
    terminally ill child named David in Spring Hill, Florida.

    One local school in Paradise Valley sent over 10,000 cards to the bogus
    address this past week.  In the past few years, similar deluges of cards
    have innundated postal authorities in small towns in Connecticut, Sussex
    England, and Sri Lanka.

    The question is, what to do with the cards, when it turns out there is no
    child to receive them?  According to USPS regulations, they must be returned
    to the sender, or stored in a dead letter file for a period of time before
    being destroyed as undeliverable.

    Well meaning people, please support a local charity if your heart tells you
    to, but don't waste your time and money on this annual hoax.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

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    Hawley, James
    Ianuzzi, Nick
    Williams, Rod

    Message: 38
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last on cold
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 10:57:10

            That only happened because you are not a Christian!

            You see Rod, we respect you even though you do not believe in God.
    We do not call you "STUPID" for this...  But unlike Sandy and I, you call us
    "STUPID" for believeing in God...  This is your arrogance and hate that we
    have been talking to you about.   If your failing mind fails to recall when
    the last time you called one of us "STUPID"...just scroll [B]ack a few
    posts.

    I wish you Happy Hollidays Rod!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 39
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Keys & Tail Lights
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 11:04:17

            Okay, you caught a kid that had a cross....  One for you, but that
    kid needs help!   But you did not catch the one who took the key board of
    keys.... you assume he was a Christian...  That is not fair, and is not even
    worthy of mention....but you need ammo to fight us Christians, so you grasp
    at anything even though it may not be true!
            I wish you would use facts instead of 'fairy tales'.

    Have a Happy!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 40
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 12:12:22

          I thought, of all people, you would realize just because someone says
    they are something doesn't mean that they actually are. Many people who call
    themselves Christians will find themselves right here on earth come the
    Rapture ..... why? Because they did not really believe in what Jesus did for
    us sinners, they did not show their sincerity by living as the Bible
    teaches. You should know it is wrong to steal ...... I would doubt this kids
    statement, especially if this is not his first time.

    Message: 41
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Christian kids
    Date: 12/16/88  Time: 15:41:00

    Actually I would put money on the fact that the two kids are indeed
    Christians.  More than 50% of the population is Christian, and so at least
    one of the two kids *should* be CHRISTIAN.

    Message: 42
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 13:44:07

            The neighborhood in question, concerning the stolen keys, is at 15th
    St. and Van Buren, a predominately Spanish neighborhood.  I believe that
    everyone of the families in that area are Christians.
            Also, when you come down with a cold, what do you blame it on?  The
    Devil?
            When I first started BBSing, I noticed how everything was rosy
    chit-chat.  I took the tact that no one else had taken.  I believe that if
    it were the other way around, that everyone was saying how rotten our
    society was, I would have set about to prove the majority wrong.
            This is not the case, though, when it comes to religion.  I am truly
    an atheist.  I realize that I have been hard-nosed but not with malice.
    Things such as religion have to be worked out in one's own mind and all the
    yelling from an atheist will not achieve this.  I respect your views and
    understand your right to have them.  It has been an interesting debate, less
    than boring.
            Happy Holidays.
                                    Rod

    Message: 43
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Rod's thoughts
    Subject: Continued Story
    Date: 12/17/88  Time: 13:51:08

            I went out into the world as a new Christian, self taught.  I made
    every one of the interpretations myself.  I taught the message of Christ and
    made good headway but everytime I met someone from a church, I found myself
    in disagreement with them.  They usually quoted Paul, whom I said earlier
    did not belong in the NT.  He is a fag.
            It seems that these church people only liked to think in chapter and
    verse and not in the root of the story.  It is like they missed the entire
    idea.  Of course, what was drilled into their brains and interpreted for
    them was that you were neither too old, too poor, too young, too ugly to
    tythe.  From what I saw the entire gospel was based on money and not being
    allowed to chew gum or go to see Elmer Gantry.......
            Note: Petrisko is on the other line with an emergency....

    Cont.