### Apollo BBS Archive - January 1 - 7, 1990

    Message: 62231
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Cartoon
    Date: 12/31/89  Time: 13:52:16

    Did anyone happen to catch the "Bizarro" cartoon for 12/28.  I know the
    author intended the cartoon to be funny but it was too close to the truth to
    be much funny.

    The picture is of a courtroom with a judge talking to a couple of "chopper"
    type people.  He says,

    "Today I'm letting a lot of violently dangerous people go on minor
    technicalities, but next time I may just decide to make an example of
    someone and throw the book at them - - SO JUST WATCH OUT!

    Our judicial system in action today!

    Message: 62232
    Author: $ Shirley Bear
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: New Years
    Date: 12/31/89  Time: 14:16:10

    Happy
           New
                  Year
                        Everyone

                                    **** Shirley ****

    Message: 62233
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Happy New Year
    Date: 12/31/89  Time: 17:46:29

    Well I haven't been online much lately but I thought I would stop by and
    wish all of you a Happy New Year. This pass year sure has been busy for me.
    I haven't been able to do much BBSing. I hope this next year I will be able
    to have more free time for myself. Some of us have to work for a living (uh
    Paul) (Hee Hee Hee) :) I'll be working the Day shift for next year. I hope
    that will help, but I doubt it. But anyway have a Happy New Year and don't
    drink and drive.

                                                                 <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 62234
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Be Bop Deluxe
    Date: 12/31/89  Time: 21:17:35

    I've been trying to find that album on LP.  In fact, I attempted some time
    ago to order it through Daryl, with no luck.

    Message: 62235
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: statistics source
    Date: 12/31/89  Time: 21:23:29

    From two books:

    The stats on the death by handgun rates of the various countries I got from
    a book called "Probabilities In Everyday Life", by John D. McGervey, from a
    section which actually argues in favor of strict gun controls.
    The stats on Switzerland's militia came from a book called "Myth
    Information", from a section dealing with the misconception that
    Switzerland's neutrality somehow implies pacifism or unpreparedness.
    The second book is by J. Allen Varasdi.

    Message: 62236
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: New Year
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 00:02:32

            Happy 1990 Gang!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62237
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: New Year
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 00:11:56

            A Happy New Year to you all ..................

                            Sandy SySop

    Message: 62238
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 01:47:43

    Ho ho ho.  Oh, sorry.  I'm a bit late.

    Message: 62239
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob Thornburg
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 01:54:47

    A few things.  First Jim Lippard is *NOT* JT.  JT is James Taranto.  JT is
    *NOT* James.  I am.  This is because of the Apollo BBS accord of 1986,
    paragraph 6, line 3.

    Your messages on religion are astoundingly obtuse.  First you state that you
    will read the book Lippard recommeded if he read Josh McDowell's.  He stated
    he had, but you then refute his recommendation with your usual flip remark.

    Oh, and you speak for god in saying that the bible was there in the
    beginning.  Is he still getting all the royalties?

    Message: 62240
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Panama
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 02:16:53

    I was in the general area when the attack began.  (Say in Maryland or Penn.
    if Panama is W. Virginia.)  I remember the first thing I heard about is the
    one year old child killed by the US soldiers.  Not real happy news.

    Most of the people in the region that I talked to it were for the action,
    but were very upset at the number of dead.  The problem is not just Noriega,
    but most of the PDF and the punk brigrades.  The whole system needs a good
    flushing out.

    As for the canal being built by Americans, that may be overstating it a bit.
    I believe a lot of local labor was used, including a lot of blacks from
    Carribean countries who were more malaria resistant.  Sure, we paid for it,
    and continue to pay them a million or so a year for the lease.  But we
    certainly take a lot more than that in.

    According to my dictionary giving the canal back was started in 1965, and
    was finished in 1978 by Congress.  It also says that they are constucting
    another canal 10 miles south.  It's a fairly recent dictionary, but I hadn't
    heard of the new canal being planned.

    Message: 62241
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:05:56

     No Annie, most people don't die from terminal heart disease, smart aleck!
    Most people die from lack of breath, and smoking sure shortens that, too!
    As to your last bit of silliness...."Just try and tell me you don't want
    one!".....Obviously, noone can tell you anything, so why should I bother
    trying? Actually, after being free from the addiction for some 18 years now,
    the only thing that turns me off more than cigarette smoke is homosexuality,
    and no, I don't want any sex with a member of my own gender either! Heh!

    Message: 62242
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:09:28

     Which MacDonald's did you go to Roger? The only ones that I know of do have
    non-smoking sections, quite well posted as such.
     One of the first things I do when going into an unfamiliar restaurant is
    ask where the non-smoking section is, and if they don't have one, I tell
    them that their lack has just cost them a customer, and leave. It's just not
    worth the risk of having a meal ruined by being forced to breathe someone
    else's second hand smoke.

    Message: 62243
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: New Year, 1990
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 05:13:34

     From the looks of the log, I must be the only one who got a good night's
    sleep! Anyway, I may as well jump on the bandwagon, and wish all the users
    of Apollo the happiest of New years. May 1990 be the best yet!

    Message: 62244
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Pointing Wolves
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:08:22

      Because it makes it easy for people with who despise or dislike
    Christianity (primarily due to a misunderstanding of just what Christ was
    all about) to point at the actions of one or two misguided individuals, and
    attempt to justify their own misguided understanding of Christianity. There
    is an interesting article in the latest Good News Express (formerly Love
    Express, free at all Christian bookstores) entitled "Real Christianity
    Defies Media Stereotype." I think you would find it interesting and oh-so
    true.

    Message: 62245
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/USF
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:12:06

    I need to copy that information down and perhaps we could get one of the
    local talk show hosts to do a phone link-up with this guy. I'm sure it would
    be a great morning drive-time piece.

    Message: 62246
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Smoking in Japan
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:19:25

       Perhaps, but they also adhere to a healthier diet than we American's do.
    (Though for how much longer is anyone's guess. America's imported
    cholesterol bistros are doing well with the younger population.) Imagine,
    though, if the Japanese maintained their healthy diets and quit smoking as
    well. Their life expectancy would probably be unbelievable!

    Message: 62247
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/Be-Bop
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 09:20:40

    I'm still trying.

    Message: 62248
    Author: Rick McGee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: C
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 10:41:42

    You forgot to capitalize "truth".

    Message: 62249
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: backup 1990
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 11:29:55

            Apollo has been fully backed up today (01/01/90)

                            Does this make you feel good?

            Ann Oudin may log in late today....as she was out sinning last night
    way past her bed time.  You know, smoking and drinking!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62250
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Ouch!
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 12:19:18

            1989 is the worst year for user loss.... Apollo lost exactly
    40 users.

            Only 24 users paid dues (re-joining or joining for the first time.)

            My wish for the New Year is to pick up a few more good hard core
    users and keep the ones we got!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62251
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Panama Canal
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 12:54:28

      Theodore Roosevelt did not dig the canal himself, by hand, but he did
    create it in every other sense. If it were not for him, there would probably
    never have been a canal in Panama.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62252
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/smoking
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:31:04

    If it was me and I did not smoke, I would have gone over to that person and
    very politely told him he was in a non-smoking area and would he please
    move! If he got nasty, then I'd get nasty.
    When we go to a restaurant and sit in the smoking section, I always try to
    get in the center or as far back as I can get from the no smoking area.
    Smoke drifts and if those people wanted smoke with their meals, they'd be
    sitting in the smoking area.
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62253
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/Japan
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:36:05

    No! Their life span would not be unbelievable! I read where if we did stop
    smoking and eating the wrong foods and exercized properly, we'd only add
    less than two years to our life spans. That doesn't include people who have
    tendencies to hereditary diseases. Unless modern medicine can come up with a
    good Syborg (sp?) that they can put our brain into just after we are born,
    we just arn't gonna live that much longer. Death is a fact of life I guess.
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62254
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on sinning
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 13:39:17

    Sorry to say I was not out sinning last night. My daughter and grand
    daughter came over and the four of us played Pictionary until about 11 PM.
    They left, we went to bed - watched Dick Clark's New years show and went to
    sleep. When I got us this morning at 7AM hubby decided we needed to do
    computer office work. That's why I'm late logging on. No sinning! Sigh!
    DRATS! He's the sinner for making me do such things on New Years day
    morning. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62255
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James Hawley
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 18:37:01

    Re:  "Jim Lippard is *NOT* JT.  JT is James Taranto.  JT is *NOT* James.  I
    am"

    I'll try to be more careful.

    Re:  "First you state that you will read the book Lippard recommeded if he
    read Josh McDowell's.  He stated he had, but you then refute his
    recommendation with your usual flip remark."

    I'll try to be not so flip.  I said to Lippard I would look for the books
    on my next trip to the library.

    I'm sorry my posts are so aggravating to you.  It's good that people like
    you are so kind to point out all my errors.

    Re:  "Oh, and you speak for god in saying that the bible was there in the
    beginning.  Is he still getting all the royalties?

    Is this your example of not being flip?  Why is it ok for you but not for
    me?  I don't remember saying the Bible was there in the beginning.  God knew
    what was going to be in the Bible in the beginning.  The Bible wasn't put
    together as a book until long after the ascension of Christ.

    Message: 62256
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 18:42:19

    Re:  "When we go to a restaurant and sit in the smoking section, I always
    try to get in the center or as far back as I can get from the no smoking
    area. Smoke drifts and if those people wanted smoke with their meals, they'd
    be sitting in the smoking area."

    Annie is one of the most considerate smokers I know.  I had to force her to
    smoke in my house.  She wanted to go out back and smoke.  (She also threw a
    leaf in my pool) :-)

    Message: 62257
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Thornbob
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 22:25:26

    I don't claim that the bible is supreme knowledge.  You do.

    Message: 62258
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: New Years Day
    Date: 01/01/90  Time: 22:57:43

    Today I rode 1-800-THE-TRAIN from Williams to the Grand Canyon and back. It
    was great fun.  We had about 3 hours at the Grand Canyon to walk around, eat
    lunch, walk around, etc., before returning on the same day. I understand
    that in the summer the return train will run an hour later, giving four
    hours of free time.  One can also take a train up one day and come back the
    next day (or several days later).  Regular service will begin in March.
    Today was the last train of the inaugural service (and also the first run of
    the new year. Toot toot!)

    For those asleep, this is an oil-burning steam engine that pulls five
    or six Pullman coaches between Williams and the Grand Canyon.  The engine
    was built (as a coal-burner) in 1901 and converted to oil just last year.

    Message: 62259
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/life expectancy
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 03:22:28

    The human body has a maximum life-expectancy of about 120 years. Should all
    disease be eliminated, that would be the point at which you would be
    thoroughly worn out. Anything beyond that would require intervention into
    the mechanisms of the aging process.

    Message: 62260
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: paul/62242
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 07:53:32

    It's a new one that opened at 92nd st and Shea. They actually have ashtrays
    available for smokers !

    Message: 62261
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ann/62252
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 07:57:42

    I thought of doing that, but my wife counseled against it by saying, (sotto
    voce) "DON'T MAKE A SCENE, IF YOU DO, I WILL LEAVE YOU". Faced with that
    choice, I meekly glared at the miscreant and dumped my garbage in the trash
    container and left with my wife.

    Message: 62262
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bobby on pool
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:17:33

    No ... I smoked that leaf. Remember? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62263
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:20:07

    You gotta be the luckiest person alive to go on that inaugural train ride! I
    forgot about it or would have tried to get tickets. March? Gads, I hate to
    wait that long. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62264
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/life expectancy
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 08:22:22

    I read that 120 was the max. life expectancy - but where is all these
    people? Somewhere in the world there ought to be people 'living right' and
    reaching that age. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62265
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hi
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 13:37:14

    Hi.

    Message: 62266
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 16:20:11

    Hi.

    Message: 62267
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/train
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 17:11:10

    I said last ride of the Inaugural Season.  THe train started rolling in
    September.  Both of the rides that I mentioned were yesterday (January 1,
    1990) one north, the other south.

    Message: 62268
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The Train
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 19:50:03

            Later this year when it warms up a wee bit, I would like to make a
    'BBS Family Train Ride to the Canyon GT'.....  What a great fun day we could
    all have.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62269
    Author: Bobby Davis
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AMERICA
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:30:56

    WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OUR INTEREST
    WHEN IT COMES TO KILLING OUR
    PEOPLE
    PROTECTING OUR LAND FROM DICTATORS
    AND DEFENDING OUR ALLIES
    WE HAVE THE POWER AND GUTS

    Message: 62270
    Author: Bobby Davis
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: SEX
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:33:07

    I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE SEX ON TV

    Message: 62271
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Sinning
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:53:11

    NOT sinning? How wrong you are! You ever wonder why Dick Clark never ages?
    It's because he's the ANTICHRIST! Yessss, mah freynds, it's TROO!

    Message: 62272
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Uhh...
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:55:27

       Since when did Panama become a U.S. sattelite country?

    Message: 62273
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bobby/Last
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 21:56:43

       That's your prerogative, but of course, you know you will have to find a
    couple of people willing to HAVE sex on your television. Hope you have a
    console model; staying on those table models without falling off is tricky!

    Message: 62274
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/62212
    Date: 01/02/90  Time: 23:45:55

         Does this mean it's OK for us to reply to your pornography-related
    messages now?

         "Ad hominem" is a Latin term that basically means "against the man."
    So when somebody is trying to discuss ideas and facts, and you reply by
    attacking them personally (message 62085, for example), you are using an ad
    hominem approach.  In formal debate, this is wrong and the person using ad
    hominem would be penalized.  In reality, ad hominem is used all the time,
    and unfortunately, too often gotten away with.

         By the way, you're still a weenie.

    Message: 62276
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Xmas
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 01:02:43

          I'm getting tired of all the complaints about Christmas/Xmas being too
    commercialized.  People have been saying that for years.  Get real; LIFE is
    too commercialized.  The same people who complain about commercialization
    are problably spending their money on things like...oh, I don't
    know...commemorative Star Trek USS Enterprise decorations.  Or something.
         For all we know, Christ wasn't even born in the month of December.
    Nobody knows.  December 25 is just an arbitrary date.  It's no coincidence
    that that date just happens to be extrememly close to pagan and Jewish
    winter holidays.  It's no coincidence that Christians have absorbed pagan
    and Jewish holiday traditions into their own holiday celebration.
         People like Xmas trees because it's fun to decorate.  It's a part of
    the festivity.  Accept it, give in to it, and get on with it.  If Xmas trees
    are too expensive for your taste, just celebrate a week late.  There are
    plenty of lonely trees hanging out near dumpsters.  They need a home.
         Cliff, did you give presents to your friends and family?  Or is that
    another part of the traditional Christmas celebratory practice you despise?
         In any case, Xmas is over, and so are the 80s.  Groovy.

         [Note:  Any references to Xmas made in this post are not intended to
    imply that Cliff refers to the holiday as Xmas.  Cliff hates that
    oh-so-pagan term, and if you put such a foul word near Cliff's name, he will
    zap you.  He zapped me.  Zapped me good.]

    Message: 62277
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Jimmy Swaggart
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 01:33:22

    2/21/88 -- Jimmy Swaggart, whose visits to a Louisiana prostitute have been
    exposed by rival evangelist Marvin Gorman (whose own adultery had been
    previously exposed by Swaggart), temporarily steps down from his ministry
    after a gasping and sobbing TV confession.  The prostitute, Debra Jo
    Murphree, soon appears naked in Penthouse, where she supplies the seedy
    details of their trysts - she assumed lewd poses while he masturbated.

    [From Paul Slansky's book, _The Clothes Have No Emperor_]

    8/29/88 -- Jessica Hahn, the first celebrity to parlay a nude spread in
    Playboy into a radio job, starts work at Phoenix's KOY-FM as the "Morning
    Zoo Y95 Weather and Prize Bunny."  One of the furst listeners to phone in
    calls her a "slut."

    9/5/88 -- Tammy Faye Bakker describes her last night in her PTL mansion
    before being evicted by Jerry Falwell.  "As I lay on the floor in the dark,
    empty room," she says, "Tuppins, my puppy, licked at the tears running down
    my face.  'Oh, Tuppins,' I sobbed.  'Why has God forsaken me?'"

    10/7/88 -- Dan Quayle, whose handlers are struggling to fool people into
    thinking he's not an immature brat, sprays water on reporters during a
    campaign stop.  "This is for all the articles you've written about me," he
    says.

    10/14/88 -- NOW PLAYING:  The Accused, starring Jodie Foster as a gang-rape
    victim.  St. Elizabeths does not suggest a field trip for John W. Hinckley,
    Jr.

    10/24/88 -- Okay, our focus:  Are Babie Being Bred for Satanic Sacrifice?
    Controversial, to say the least.  Unbelievable, to say the least.
    Disgusting, to say the least.  We'll be right back."
         - Geraldo Rivera cutting to a commercial on his daily talk show

    DAN QUAYLE TALKS ABOUT THE FAMILY

         "Don't forget the importance of the family.  It begins with the family.
     We're not going to redefine the family.  Everybody knows the definition of
    the family.  [Meaningful pause] A child.  [Meaningful pause] A mother.
    [Meaningful pause] A father.  There are other arrangements, but that is a
    family and family values."

         "I've been very blessed with wonderful parents and a wonderful family,
    and I am proud of my family.  Anybody turns to their family.  I have a very
    good family.  I'm very fortunate to have a very good family.  I believe very
    strongly in the family.  It's one of the things we have in our platform, is
    to talk about it."

         "I suppose three important things certainly come to my mind that we
    want to say thank you.  The first would be our family.  Your family, my
    family - which is composed of an immediate family of a wife and three
    children, a larger family with grandparents and aunts and uncles.  We all
    have our family, whichever that may be.... The very beginnings of
    civilization, the very beginnings of this country, goes back to the family.
    And time and time again, I'm often reminded, especially in this Presidential
    campaign, of the importance of a family, and what a family means to this
    country.  And so when you pay thanks I suppose the first thing that would
    come to mind would be to thank the Lord for the family."

    Message: 62280
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Mac's
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 05:41:56

     If a complaint to management is to no avail, I would definitely call or
    write to corporate offices until a non-smoking area is dedicated, and
    enforced! The general management of MacDonald's is ver commmunity minded,
    and does designate non-smoking areas. If they knew that such a condition was
    losing them customers, I feel certain that they would correct the situation.

    Message: 62281
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Train GT
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 05:45:43

    Sounds more like a weekend event. That's a long haul for one day, and who
    wants to rush through a trip to Grand Canyon? It's too awesome to just run
    to the edge, say "gee!" and run back to Phoenix.

    Message: 62282
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Grand Canyon
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 11:21:30

            I have driven up there... played and driven back the same day. Sure,
    you can't go down and explore the canyon.... but the trip is fun.
            The GT idea was to enjoy a train ride and spend 3 or 4 hours taking
    in the beauty of the canyon...  not to mention FRESH air (Smokers can stay
    home)

            Tough getting old... ain't it?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62283
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak on CHRISTmas
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 11:47:03

            Gift giving for the sake of gift giving is stupid.  I give gifts all
    year long to my family because I WANT TOO!  If you want to get right down to
    it, we put more importance on the boys birthdays and each others then we do
    on CHRISTmas.
            It is ONLY my opinion that CHRISTmas is getting to be a merchants
    salvation rather then salvation of mankind.  The true meaning is playing
    second fiddle to Santa and you are made to feel guilty for not buying gifts
    for everyone.
            If you want a tree...that is fine.  I see no real harm in it other
    than all those OXYGEN producing living green trees are axed for a few days
    of pine needles in your home.  And the fact every year children are killed
    by these same trees catching fire because they are so dried out in the
    attempt of some merchant to make a quick buck, that he wants trees on his
    lots first.
            Have at it!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62284
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: paul/roger/mac's
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 12:43:11

    You are absolutely right. Next time I go to McDonald's at 92nd St and Shea
    I intend to follow up on the matter of the case of the non-existent smoking
    section.

    Message: 62285
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 15:50:35

         Christmas trees are farmed for the specific purpose of being cut down.
    If they weren't cut down, they would die anyway.
         I didn't realize pine needles gave so much oxygen.

    Message: 62286
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak on trees
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 19:08:40

            They are not cut down...they are topped off a larger tree.
    All green trees give oxygen.... I am sure one or 100 would not make that
    much difference, but we are talking hundreds of thousands of tree toppings.
    Why do you feel the tree would die anyway?  Have you ever been to a tree
    farm?   I have...and they just don't die after Christmas when left uncut.

            There are some that do cut down the whole tree... but I understand
    that is rather rare.   At least this is what we were told on the tree farm
    tour back east when I was in school.  (BMC Durfee High)  or was it Henry
    Lord?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62287
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: train trip
    Date: 01/03/90  Time: 21:54:13

    Speaking of fresh air, there is no smoking allowed on the train.

    Message: 62288
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Tren turismo
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 00:53:16

    Sounds fun.  A night over would be fun, but I doubt you could get enough
    people together for it.  One day sounds pretty nice too...  As long as it
    doesn't stop at every banana plantation.  Oh, sorry, different train.

    Message: 62289
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: trees
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 01:57:15

         I haven't been to a tree farm, and I didn't know that all Christmas
    trees were merely the tops of much larger trees.
         I think I recall somebody telling me that at tree farms, the trees are
    grown so close together that they can't survive when they reach maturity.
    Somebody please shed some light on this.

    Message: 62290
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/trees, etc.
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 06:01:44

     Gee, Cliff, I'm not so old that I can't remember which High school I
    graduated from! (smile)
     To the best of my limited knowledge of the subject, Christmas tree farms
    plant on a staggered basis, and whole trees only are used in the harvest,
    then the area is reseeded. The type of trees used, mostly Douglas fir ans
    Scotch pine, are fast growing, so a maximum crop can be harvested from the
    least amount of space, and crops can be rotated so as to give the trees
    ample time for proper growth.
     The only forested trees used for Christmas trees are those for which
    permits have been issued by the National FOrest Service, and those that can
    be cut for he purpose are clearly marked, and the operation watched by FS
    officials quite closely. That, at least, is my understanding, gleaned some
    time ago from a son-in-law who works (?) for the Forest Service in Cal.

    Message: 62291
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak on X-trees
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 07:08:56

    Actually, there are two kinds - one where they just top the trees and leave
    the rest living and a Christmas tree farm when they grow them close together
    and they would indeed not survive to maturity if left like that. I do not
    know for sure, but I think they cut every other one in the latter and
    replant a smaller one where they cut. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62292
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Noriega Chained
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 08:12:37

    Noriega is now languishing in an American jail. I wonder if he can raise
    bail ? :-) Not only do I believe he can get a fair trial, I think he will
    not be convicted of any of the serious drug-related crimes for which he
    will be indicted. Reason is simple: Bush, CIA, etc., had agreements with
    Noriega and Noriega will want to subpoena gov't officials including Bush
    and obtain documents and the gov't will be refused, case dismissed ! As
    far as having Noriega extradited back to Panama is concerned, I'll bet that
    part of the agreement Noriega forged to leave the embassy includes any
    prohibition against any kind of act such as that.

    Message: 62293
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Last
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 13:47:09

      I think you may be right.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 62294
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Noriega
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 14:47:40

         Maybe we can work out a plea bargain with Noriega, in which Noriega is
    let free, but must agree to wear a T-shirt every day that says "My record,
    two six packs, and being a drug kingpin equal one-hundred forty-five years."

    Message: 62295
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Christmas
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 15:11:49

    Well, it's finally over, and I can finally admit that I'm turning into a
    Christmas hater.  Maybe my energy levels are low at this time of year, and
    maybe I'm just getting old, but this season of forced merriment wears on
    me more every year!  Everyone's emotions seem to be on edge, as they try
    to enjoy the commercialism and crowds that accompany shopping for gifts.
    The music is inane, and you never hear the old, meaningful carols that
    proclaim the original meaning of the season.  Parking lots and streets are
    jammed, tempers grow as short as the days themselves, and all the time
    this message is forced on you: "If you're not having a good time standing
    in line, or looking for a parking place, or worrying about the mounting
    bills, there's something wrong with you."  There's no use wishing for a
    return to old-fashioned, simpler seasons.  The world has moved on, and
    left us in the dust.

       However, don't get me wrong, there are quite a few things for which I
    am grateful.
       #1.  It's over.
       #2.  The living room is back to normal.  The tree is down and the
    trimmings are packed away for another year.
       #3.  I can find my way around the fridge again.  Those strangely shaped
    platters and brightly colored bowls of gunk are gone now.

       #4.  Our out of town visitors have gone, and we've packaged up all the
    items they left behind to be UPSed back to them.
       #5.  Nearly everyone is over the flu and other assorted illnesses that
    strike during this festive season.
       #6.  There are parking places again at the malls, and there are no long
    lines at the cash register.
       #7.  TV ads are back to touting breakfast cereals and laxatives,
    instead of Mutant Monster Barbie Clones.
       #8.  The crowds of ill-mannered, screaming, pushing children waiting to
    sit on some red-suited stranger's lap have disappointed, and kids are no
    longer being urged to talk to strangers.
       #9.  My cholesterol level is creeping back down to its normal levels
    and no one is urging me to eat all the things that cause it.
      #10.  My thank-you`s for all the ties, cologne, and handkerchiefs are
    mailed, and the mailbox no longer is stuffed with cards from people I no
    longer remember, with their inane attempts to de-Christianize the season.
    (HAPPY HOLIDAYS, A JOYEAUX SEASON, etc.)
      #11.  I have 355 days to work myself back into the mood again.

                                               Bah, Humbug!

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 62297
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/ACLU
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 16:56:27

    Re:  "Abolition of the entire organization would be the most merciful
    contribution to justice I can think of."

    Amen!

    Message: 62298
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary!
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 20:03:53

            Great list....  I feel the same way.

                            Only 355 more days...   shudder!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62299
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak/Cliff/Xmas
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 22:44:10

       "Xmas" is not a pagan abbreviation of the word Christmas. The whole thing
    started back in New York some many years ago. A Greek grocer wanted to put
    "Merry Christmas" in his window, but there were too many letters, and it
    wouldn't fit. Knowing that the first letter in the Greek word for Christ was
    "X" (pron: CH), he shortened it, and made his sign. It took off from there,
    and has survived all these years. All these people complaining that "Xmas"
    takes the Christ out of Christmas, it DOESN'T. It just shortens it.

    Message: 62301
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak/Slansky
    Date: 01/04/90  Time: 22:51:18

      Gee, I hope this Slansky guy never made a mistake in his whole life. Hey,
    guy, don't those posts constitute copyright infringement? Did you get prior
    consent before posting those large segments of material? You pirate, you.

    Message: 62302
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Westfall on Xmas
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 00:53:55

            I am sure XMAS was not originally ment to be an atheist spelling of
    CHRISTmas....  however, that is just what it has become and I resent it.
    The word 'gay' was not originally ment to mean what it means today.
    However if you wish to call CHRISTmas, Xmas and call yourself gay, have
    right at it.

            See what I mean?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62303
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Noriega
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 06:07:12

     He is being held without bail, which eliminates that possibility. As to the
    rest of your concerns, I wouldn't be surprised, although the government
    CLAIMS that they made no deals. Personally, I would like to see him
    extradited back to Panama, where he would be tried for murder, and where
    there is less likelihood of "bleeding heart justice". With the feelings
    running as high as they are there right now, I think his hanging in a public
    square in Panama city would be cause for another big party.

    Message: 62304
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: sysop/xmas
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 07:57:38

    But Christians have subverted a perfectly good pagan festival, the Winter
    Solstice. So, y'all have no right to complain. You find out when in the
    year Christ was born in your literally true Bibles, and then you can have
    Christmas (not Xmas) at that time of the year !!!

    Message: 62305
    Author: Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: paul/noriega
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 08:01:39

    re:government claims. You mean you doubt what the government tells you ???
    That's unpatriotic. I think President Bush would be very disappointed that
    his credibility is so low --- he must have given strict orders to his staff
    to be even sneakier after the public found out about Skowcroft's secret
    trip to Peking.

    Message: 62306
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary/Xmas messages
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 08:22:35

    Your right about it all, but just think, they will start pushing Christmas
    again in February! This is so you'll be in the 'right frame of mind' to
    start shopping soon for next Christmas. Spending is more the right word.
                                  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62307
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Brake Job
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 09:31:11

    Hey folks!  I need to get a brake job done on my car.  Can anyone recommend
    a good place here in the valley?

    (I've ran into so many lowlife scum mechanics in the past year, I don't know
    who to trust.)

    ((I must really be naive to trust BBS people.))

    Message: 62308
    Author: $ Shirley Bear
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: +iPaul/Noriega
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 10:54:54

    I agree with you.  I don't think Noriega will get even half of what
    he should if he is kept here and tried.  But Panama will or would
    hang him for sure.

    Message: 62309
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: NORIEGA
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 11:37:31

         The Panama gov't didn't want Noriega.  Evidently, their legal system is
    even worse than ours & those making the decision thought Noriega would stand
    a better chance of conviction here.  Go figure.

    Message: 62310
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Question?
    Subject: CLIFF??
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 11:38:29

        In what way is "X-mas" considered an atheist phrase for "Christmas"?
    That sounds silly.

    Message: 62311
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last on Xmas
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:26:41

            I have been told that Atheists who do not like the word 'Christ'
    will use the term 'Xmas'.   That was enough for me to see I did not want to
    use the term.  I have the RIGHT to my view on this, and that is how it is.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 62312
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Old Tree [V]ote
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:27:05

    This question applies to your place of residence during the Christmas
    holiday.

    [A]I did NOT have a Christmas tree.
    [B]I had a real Christmas tree.
    [C]I had an artificial Christmas tree.

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 9    [B] 10   [C] 6

    Message: 62313
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Season past...
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 12:33:46

                     DON'T LET THEM TAKE
                            THE
                             X
                         OUT OF XMAS
                             !

    Message: 62314
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Vote
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:00:48

    So, should *anybody* be sent into combat???

    Message: 62315
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: The vote
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:35:05

    My absentee ballot is:

    Message: 62316
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff on XMAS
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:39:13

    I couldn't aggree more wholeheartedly!
    Pffft! to the atheistic pagan tree killers!
    Pffft! to the idea that CHRISTmas should be Xmas.
    Lemme see... that makes as much sense as calling
    Peter Petrisko, Xrisko.

    Makes perfectly good sense if you insist on Xmas.

    Message: 62317
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: thoughts of God
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:58:04

    62200:  That's part of the realm of theology.  Theologians seem to think
    they can do it.  If you can't know anything about God, you certainly can't
    be a Christian.

    Message: 62318
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: USF
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 18:58:38

    I don't have access to the program, it's aired in Ithaca, NY.

    Message: 62319
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:01:45

    I ain't JT.
      Ad hominem means against the person instead of against the argument (i.e.,
    personal attacks).  Craig didn't say that McDowell's books were "pretty
    lousy", he just agreed with me when I said that to him.  He said that
    McDowell's apologetics might have been good for the 18th century, but not
    for the 20th.  I'd give you details but I haven't time (long distance call
    here) and they're in my pamphlet and I've posted them here before.
    You can send me your address (to me at P.O. Box 37052, Phoenix, AZ 85069)
    and I'll send you a copy.  I ordinarily charge $4, if you send something to
    cover my expenses I'll be more likely to send you one.  (Each one costs me
    $1 in postage and a bit over $2 in printing.)

    Message: 62320
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/history
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:03:16

    Paul Johnson, _History of Christianity_, Latourette's n-volume _History of
    Christianity_.  There's a lot more to Christianity than fundamentalism.
    The reformation is late, late stuff.  I'm talking 1st through 8th centuries
    or so.  Lots of stuff happened to get Christianity looking the way it does
    today.

    Message: 62321
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: rose petal
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 19:03:59

    It was free.  They paid for the toll-free call and for the mailing.
    And it works, too.  Spy magazine wants to print one of my letters in their
    March issue.

    Message: 62322
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Christmas
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 20:57:24

    It's the fact THAT we celebrate it, not WHEN we celebrate it that counts.
    Christ freed us from such legalistic things such as WHAT DAY to celebrate a
    particular holiday. If a Christian decided not to partake of the
    (overcommercialized) standard Christmas celebrations (trees, gifts, big
    dinner, etc.), it would make him no less of a Christian. In fact, we
    should celebrate His birth (as well as His death and resurrection) every day
    of our lives!

    Message: 62323
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/Noriega
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 20:59:04

       I believe I heard that when Noriega is tried, he will probably be
    expelled from the country (??? - ooookaaay), at which point the Panamanians
    wish to put him on trial themselves.

    Message: 62324
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jim's Thoughts/God
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 21:10:41

       No, you are misinterpreting what I posted.  There are thoughts from God
    which do know about, and those are the thoughts and words expressed by Him
    in Scripture.  What I'm talking about is knowing the mind of God; knowing
    His thoughts, comprehending His knowledge. Surely you, as an "expert" on the
    Bible, know Isaiah 55:8-9 and Romans 11:33-34. We can "know" Him, and yet
    not necessarily know His thoughts. Could your argument be extended so far as
    to say that since you can't read my mind, that you don't know me? No, of
    course not. That's absurd. We, as Christians, know God. But that doesn't
    mean that we can read His mind or know His thoughts or ways apart from what
    He has made known to us.

    Message: 62325
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim/Early Church
    Date: 01/05/90  Time: 21:12:52

      Yes, there is a book available at the Glendale Public Library (and I'm
    sure Phoenix Library has it too) titled "Early Christian Writings."
    Authorship is listed as "Apostolic Fathers." Interesting stuff.

    Message: 62326
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl on Slansky
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 02:53:00

    It's likely Paul Slansky has made mistakes in his life (and why do you think
    anyone has claimed otherwise?).  I'd be willing to bet that when his
    mistakes are pointed out to him, he admits them.  That's more than can be
    said for the people he criticizes in his book.

    Message: 62327
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:12:22

    RE:  "#7.  TV ads are back to touting breakfast cereals and laxatives,
    instead of Mutant Monster Barbie Clones."

    Why is this good?

    Do you really consider "Happy Holidays!" an "inane attempt to
    de-Christianize the season?"

    RE:  62313.  "Don't take the X out of Xmas!"  What does this mean?

    Message: 62328
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/62303
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:19:25

         First you want to take all the gays out in the desert and have them
    shot.  Now you think Noriega should be hung in public without a fair trial.
    What next?

    Message: 62329
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Slansky on Noriega
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 04:38:19

    12/10/83 -- George Bush meets secretly with Manuel Noriega at the Panama
    City Airport.  They discuss allegations of money-laundering and drug-dealing
    against the Panamanian general - allegations the Vice President later claims
    to be unaware of.

    2/6/89 -- NORIEGA INDICTED BY U.S. OVER LINKS TO ILLEGAL DRUGS
         EXTRADITION ISN'T LIKELY
                -The New York Times

    5/9/88 -- OFFICIALS SAY BUSH HEARD '85 CHARGE AGAINST NORIEGA
         SEEMING CONTRADICTION
         VICE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW OF REPORTS ON DRUG ROLE
    UNTIL '88
                -The New York Times

    5/25/88 -- George Shultz concedes that the three-month US effort to ease
    Manuel Noriega out of power - which had degenerated to the point where he
    wouldn't have to leave Panama until August, or maybe never - has failed.

    Message: 62330
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Zak/62328
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 06:21:21

     Oh give me a little time, and I'll think of something repulsive, disgusting
    and heinious enough for you.
     I think that Noriega deserves the same brand of justice he meted out to
    those with whom he disagreed when he was in power. I don't think that "fair
    trial" was in his vocabulary.

    Message: 62331
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 16:14:24

    Re:  "((I must really be naive to trust BBS people.))"

    We found a good mechanic in Glendale.  Wally's Auto Service.  Just north of
    Glendale Ave on 54the Ave.  We've been using him for several years now with
    nothing but excelent service.

    Message: 62332
    Author: George Martinez
    Category: For sale
    Subject: computer equipment
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 20:47:57

    please contact geore martinez, 820-6400 nd telephone umber of bullitin
    boards
    tks    george

    Message: 62333
    Author: $ Steven Carls
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Xmas Trees
    Date: 01/06/90  Time: 23:39:10

    The Arizona Game and Fish Dept. like old Christmass trees.  They take them
    and put them into lakes.  Apparently the trees make great shelter for
    younger fish, EH???
     " The ATARI WILDCAT "  Steven Carls

    Message: 62334
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Hard Disk
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 03:06:15

    Looking for a hard-drive suitable for a small XT system.
    The drive needs to be of the half-height variety due to the
    manufacturers short-sighted and short-dimensioned box design.
    Doesn't have to be new, but should be working.
    I'll consider cash or trade if that's desired..either way.

    If it's a 20 meg, I have controller and cables.
    If its anything under, I'll need the controller that works with
    it as this RLL heap doesn't like the 10 meg I have.

    R.S.V.P Here or on GARGOYLE BBS 943-4523...leave mail
    to "mike" or "sysop"

                    -Mike

    Message: 62335
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 04:01:52

    Just because somebody doesn't have "fair trial" in his vocabulary doesn't
    mean you should take it out of yours.

    Message: 62336
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak/62328
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 04:33:03

       Death penalty for parking violators.

    Message: 62337
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 05:23:02

    When so many hardened criminals stand before the bar of "justice" and get
    off completely on technicalities, or have charges reduced to next to nothing
    as a result of plea bargaining, I think that the concept of fairness has
    flown out the window. A fair trial should be one in which the evidence that
    led to the trial in the first place is presented, with any extenuating
    circumstances that may have existed, and if said evidence points clearly to
    the guilt of the party on trial, sentence should be handed out accordingly,
    and executed immediately. This goes all the way up to, and including capital
    punishment for crimes for which it is indicated.

    Message: 62338
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter P.
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 11:08:35

    Your Gallery X got quite a write up in the paper this morning. (Sunday)
    For those of you that haven't read it - it's on page E-3 right at the top.
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 62339
    Author: Larry Winn
    Category: Politics
    Subject: INCUMBENTS
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 12:26:31

    THE INTENT OF LAWS IS TO LIMIT THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT.
    TO MAKE LAWS NUMEROUS, TO MAKE THEM COMPLEX, TO MAKE EACH LESS THAN THE
    CLEAR EXPRESSION OF A SINGLE THOUGHT, IS TO UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF
    LEGISLATION. THE CAREER POLITICIAN IS THUS THE NATURAL ENEMY  OF SOUND
    GOVERNMENT.
    THE WAY TO APPLY THIS NEARLY SELF-EVIDENT PRINCIPLE IS IN THE VOTING BOOTH.
    AVOID INCUMBENTS WHEN POSSIBLE.
    ONLY A BODY OF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES SERVING A SINGLE TERM, THEN RETURNING
    TO THEIR FORMER PLACES IN SOCIETY CAN DISCHARGE THE LEGISLATIVE FUNCTIONS OF
    GOVERNMENT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE GOVERNED.

    Message: 62340
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: SysOp on "Xmas"
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:16:28

    Actually, the character x in Xmas represents not the letter x in the Roman
    alphabet, but rather the Greek letter chi.  The Greek form of chi looks
    rather like a Roman x, both in lower-case and capital.  Chi is the first
    letter of the Greek word for "Christ".  The symbol has long been used as an
    abbreviation for Christ, and while there may be the occasional atheist who
    fancies Xmas as a secular euphamism for a Christian holiday, it is simply a
    form of abbreviation.

    Message: 62341
    Author: Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: for a good time...
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:18:36

    Brake job?  Sounds obscure, but try the stall walls at any Pep Boys
    restroom.

    Message: 62342
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Porn Update
    Date: 01/07/90  Time: 19:35:17

    'CHESTER MOLESTER' CREATOR GUILTY OF ABUSING TEEN GIRL

      (AP) VENTURA, Calif - The cartoonist who created 'Hustler' magazine's
    "Chester The Molester" feature has been convicted of molesting a teenage
    girl.
      Dwaine Tinsley, 44, was found guilty of five child-molestation accounts by
    a Superior Court jury on Friday. Jurors agreed Tinsley had substantial
    sexual contact with the girl, but acquitted him of six charges and
    deadlocked on five.
      The cartoon created by Tinsley depicts a lecherous character and his
    attraction to young girls. He refused to talk with reporters after the
    verdict.
      Defense lawyer George C. Eskin promised to appeal the guilty verdicts,
    arguing as he did during the trial that the girl accused Tinsley in
    retalliation for his efforts to halt her drug use.
      Tinsley could face a maximum prison term of sixteen years, and a $50,000
    fine when he is sentenced March 1, [according to] prosecutor Matthew J.
    Hardy.
      Evidence presented at the trial said Tinsley told co-workers "You can't
    write this stuff all the time if you don't experience it."
      But Tinsley's cartoon eliminated it's focus on pedophilia several years
    ago, Hardy said.

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