### Apollo BBS Archive - May 29, 1998

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    Message: 3525
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Unions/Ann
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 00:04:08

    Ann your friend at the bank would have been better off if she had belonged
    to a union. A union would not have allowed that to happen. Also if a worker
    is not up to standards agreed upon by the union and the company, the company
    can dismiss that employee. But they do have to prove that the employee is
    not up to standards and that it is not the companys fault(lack of training,
    poor supervision, etc). A very small percentage of unions may need to be
    overhauled, but the vast majority or doing a good job. I feel if unions were
    to disapear(sp) today, it would not be long before middle class America was
    the smallest portion of our population. In other words we would have a very
    large poor class slaving for a few rich cats, as Rod W. would say.

                                           <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 3526
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 01:33:03

    I agree that unions are good things, but they have suffered from several
    flaws.  They have had corruption, an bad evaluation of what's in their best
    interest (sometimes crippling a company) and the government coming in and
    allowing them to exclude other workers.  I'm always a bit baffled by the
    "scab" charges -- why is it that the union people have more of a right to
    work than these poor unemployed saps who come in?

    Message: 3527
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Joe/unions
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 07:30:57

    In David's last post, he made a good point. When my husband worked in calif.
    - it was compulsory to use union help on almost all of his big jobs. Even in
    those days, he had to pay laborers $7.00 an hour and most were not worth it.
    He could fire him and send for another, but here again, they must be union
    and almost all, just didn't do a thing and my husband ended up doing their
    work and paying the guy. A plumber wouldn't pick up a piece of scrap lumber
    if he was standing on it (union rules) - an electrician wouldn't even help
    you put a window in if the were sitting around and a laborer wasn't
    available etc. etc. Not counting their inflated wages - union fees,
    workman's comp. - insurance - this caused a job to become highly inflated.
    All suffered - the contractor, the buyer and the owner. The project was
    totally policed by the union too and one infraction, the the intire job
    would come to a stand still. This means that if my husband couldn't get good
    union help for a laborer and brought in someone else he knew that was - he
    was punished. He also never found any 'top drawer' skilled workers either
    from the union. They all had a tendency to sit around every time they could,
    knowing they would be paid anyway. In the 1950s - in Colorado, my husband
    did belong to the union. He even became recording secretary for his
    district. He saw so much corruption, that he left and made better money on
    his own eventually. All that money that is in reserve for the insurance is
    not kept track of or is the dues. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3528
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Joe/again
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 07:49:30

    I don't see why we have to have unions as they are now at least. Why can't
    each individual be responsible for themselves? Lets say a plumber wanted
    work - he charges $15 an hour - another might only ask for $13. HE has his
    own resume of his skills and his own insurance. (proof of insurance when he
    applied for the job - just like we must prove vehicle insurance now) Why, in
    such cases, must the employer be responsible for all of this? Surely the guy
    could adjust his wage price to include insurance. When he went to work for a
    company (job) he could sign a paper stating that he was responsible. If
    there was a union, then they would be responsible to go to the job site and
    see that it was safe and keep checking on it as the job progressed. (for a
    standard fee of course) Actually, it wouldn't be a union - but a business
    for that purpose. The employer would have to have certain standards for the
    job for protection of the men. (He may have insurance for himself too) This
    would make the cost of a project considerable lower - thus lowering the
    inflation of the country. A person could buy a house for instance at a
    fairer price. All goods would go down. The unions were created to protect
    the employee - but they are too over protected and the unions get fat -
    therefore creating corruption. I agree with you that something is needed -
    but the way it is now is hurting this country more than protecting the
    workers! Any more comments? Do you have any ideas? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3529
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Rebuttal
    Subject: Rod/Lifestyle
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 12:40:48

      In America you don't have to live the way someone else chooses (by vote or
    otherwise), that is the whole point of the country and always has been. If
    you don't like that idea you are in the wrong country. America is based on
    tolerance of differing opinions and lifestyles. Anyone who can't stand to
    see someone else make their own choices has most of the rest of the world to
    choose from and should not be trying to ruin this country for everyone else.
      Study the history and philosophy of the Western world (and America in
    particular) with the same attention you give to Marx and Engels and you will
    discover something infinitely more worthy of your affections.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

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     1:        In America, unless you are wealthy, you must come up with huge sums
     2:for housing, utilities, insurance and food.  If you can't or if you get sick
     3:or crippled, too bad.  This countries motto is not, "People Caring About
     4:People", probably not in any other big country either.
     5:        I just have to face the facts, I live in an illiterate world, where
     6:the most intelligent species doesn't have enough sense to brush fire from
     7:their heads.
     8:                                Rod
     9:end

    Message: 3531
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Unions
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:46:04

            I can see what Ann is saying, like a locksmith, we are independent
    contractors and we go by our reputation and pricing.  I have to 'beat' work
    off, (hey, that's the only thing I beat off) and get rid of clients.
            I can see where dishwashers and all others, clerks, etc., can be
    Independent contractors.  A person who is going to wash dishes in an
    establishment, can agree to do the job for X, can have any other competent
    person do his job for him on certain days.  If the person(s) do a bad job
    then they lose the contract.  Repetitions would develop.  Same with clerks,
    etc.  Unions cause inflated prices, a big waste of time and money.
                                    Rod

    Message: 3532
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:03:49

    Good ideas Rod. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3533
    Author: $ Peter Cervelli
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod and Wealth
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:33:18

    Wealth is a measure of personal production.  No production equals no wealth.
    Why on earth should we believe your nonsense and feel sorry for those who
    have no wealth (those have produced nothing)?

    Message: 3534
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Unions/Ann & Rod
    Date: 05/30/88  Time: 01:10:53

    Both of you were complaining about how companies were taking advantage of
    their employees. I try to point out that if the employees form unions they
    could protect themselves from such abuse. The unions are made up of elected
    officials. If the members allow their leaders to put such a strain on the
    company that it puts the company in jeopary(sp)(their jobs are at stake
    too) then that is their fault.

                                           <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 3535
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cervelli
    Date: 05/30/88  Time: 01:43:33

            Something should be done to raise the lot of the poor and middle
    income classes to reduce criminal activity.  It appears to me that the rich
    are getting richer and the poor, poorer.  More prisons are not the answer.
            It must be made easier for someone to acquire a home that will, in
    thier mind, be relatively secure.  This, in itself, will greatly reduce
    tensions.
            I still see the answer as something like the Jewish Kibbutzs (sp) or
    the old W.P.A.  In fact, as I said before, Rajneesh had a basically good
    idea, although I think his intentions were a little less than altruistic.
                                            Rod
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    Message: 825
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last...sigh...
    Date: 05/28/88  Time: 22:15:44

            If Rod's world came to be, I guess I would be in jail as I would
    revolt and kill.... so therefore Rod's world could not exist!

    Message: 826
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: For Sandy
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 08:54:25

                        A flag 'rippling' in the breeze'

                   ( O )
                     ll
                     ll________________________________  "ripple"
                     ll* * * * * *#####################
         "ripple"    ll * * * * * ____________________l
     ____            ll* * * * * *#####################    ----____
              ---    ll * * * * *____"ripple"_________l
                     ll* * * * * *#####################   "ripple"
     "ripple"        ll * * * * * ____________________l
                     ll* * * * * *#####################    -----_--___
          "ripple"   ll * * * * * _____"ripple"_______l
    ---  _____       ll* * * * * *#####################
                     ll_"ripple"______________________l    ---___--__
                     ll################################
    "ripple"         ll_______________________________l    "ripple"
                     ll##############"ripple"##########
                     ll_____"Burp!"___________________l
     ----_--__-      ll###############################    ---_-___-__
                     ll
                     ll
                     ll   ---   ___   ____------
    You ask for it - you got it! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 827
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: Still Life
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:10:09

            _#_
            l l
            l l
            l_l
           /   \                                             ______
          /_____\                                            \--  /
         / VINO  \                                            \__/
         l_______l                  ______         ()()()      ll
         l--  -- l     ______       \-- _/      _()()()()()    ll
    _____l --___ l_____\-- -/________\__/_______\         /____ll__________
         l_______l      \--/          ll         \_______/  (______)
                         ll           ll            _______
                         ll         __ll__         // -- __l
           /\          __ll__      (______)   ____//___--  l____
         ###          (______)               /   //________l   //
        #####                               /_________________//   _
       #######     /\                       l________________l/   (_)_
        #####     ##       ___________                 _       _    (_)
                 ####     <__________##########      _(_)   _ (_) _
                 ####                               (_)(_) (_) _ (_)
                                                              (_)
    _______________________________________________________________________

    Message: 828
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: Misc.
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:16:05

           ______
           l____l    <------- 'A brick from the 'Yellow Brick Road'!

       #
      _#_
      l l
      l_l  <--- 'A piano key from Bobby Short's piano when he played 'As
                 Time Goes By' in Casablanca'!

     ___   <--- 'One of Rita Hayworth's hairs in Gilda'!

    ___
    \  \
    /   \
    \_   \ <---- 'A piece of Marlon Brando's T-shirt form 'On The Water
       \_/        Front'!

        ______
       O____(_) <--- 'A Safty pin from Shirley Temple's diaper'!

         ___
        (_O_) <-- 'The eye Arnie cut out of himself in The Terminator'!

    Message: 829
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: More Misc.
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:17:31

         . . .
         .. .. .  <---- 'A handful of dirt from Tara.!
           ..

           O_
       (((()   <--- 'A loon from 'On Golden Pond'!
         __
         \/  <-- 'A tooth from 'Jaws'!

     /\
     ll
     ll    <--- 'A minature rocket, part of the props from 'Star Wars'!
    O  O

     "==o  <-- 'A flea from 'Benji'!

    ::::>  <--- 'A tip off Fred Astair's shoelace' that fell off while
                 he was doing the 'Continental'!

       .    <--- 'A piece of lint from Cher's navel'!

      ()   <--- 'A drop of sweat from Sylvester Stalone while fighting
                 Bigfoot in 'Rocky XVII'!

    Message: 830
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:24:19

    I have been collecting those things from the movie stars for several years
    now and thought you might like me to share them with you. I have other
    collections if you are interested. One though, would have to be shown on the
    cos. sig. =*--ANN--*
    P.S. The still life pix is also part of this collection too. It's from the
    props of Ray Malland's in the 'Lost Weekend'! No, that's wrong - it's from
    'The Days of Wine and Roses' movie. Sorry.

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    Message: 652
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Hardware
    Subject: Chinon disk drives
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 11:33:13

       On GEnie, there's been a bit of a discussion on defects in the
    Chinon-brand disk drives installed in some 1040STs.  Appearently, it doesn't
    report the write-protect status in a fashion that TOS expects, and thus disk
    changes are not properly recognized -- sometime a disk change isn't reported
    when there was one, and sometimes a disk change is reported when the disk
    never left the drive.
       (A) Have you hear anything official from Atari on this?  The Atari guy on
    GEnie keeps saying "contact your local dealer."
       (B) If not, what would it cost to exchange the Chinon drive for a new
    one?  (You can reply to this in email, if you prefer).

       I'm getting quite tired of working around the disk-change bug, and I'd
    like to get my 1040 fix.  I seem to be one of the lucky ones that ended up
    with one of the bumpkus drives.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 653
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 12:20:17

            There never has been such a bulletin out on the Chinon drive, so I
    know nothing about this.   Bring in your unit and show me the problem and we
    will try another drive in it.....

    Cliff

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    Message: 52389
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Stooge Memorial
    Date: 05/28/88  Time: 23:21:01

        PIES FLY AT ANNUAL "SHEMP FESTIVAL" IN LOUISIANA

      DONALDSONVILLE, La. (MARCH 22) AP - About 50 wise guys,
    morons and knuckleheads took less than a minute to hurl 500
    pies at the climax of a tribute to an underrated stooge.
      A few lamebrains showed up thinking it was another
    Louisiana shrimp festival.  But it was actually the third
    annual "Shemp Festival," cooked up by three bayou country
    fans of The Three Stooges.
      Kirk Landry, 30, an assistant fire chief here, James B.
    LeBlanc, 32, a mechanic, and Aaron Hebert, 32, originated
    the event as a tribute to Shemp Howard, who died in 1955.
      "We don't want to say that we like Shemp more than the
    other stooges," Landry said.  "But it's just that he is the
    most underrated."
      About 100 people attended the weekend festival.
      In addition to Sunday's "Moron Pie Throw," events included
    a "Hoi Polloi Ball," a parade led by a slice-of-pie float
    and the crowning of the pie queen, chosen for being "the
    most snooty, upper crust socialite hag who degenerates
    (during the festival) into the most drunken, heathenistic
    slime."

    Message: 52390
    Author: Pam Pipal
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hey kurt
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:26:39

    Please call me. I am at the Rim Club. I don't know these computer things!

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     1:        Christians as a rule have 'sheep' mentalities, they are usually
     2:bigoted, fight among themselves on doctrine and expect (want) an all out,
     3:global, thermal nuclear war so that their ridiculous, assisine, stupid,
     4:uninterpitable, book of revelations can be fulfilled, thus making them
     5:right.
     6:        The Christian mentality is sick and pea-brained to say the least.  I
     7:truly feel sorry for those who are afflicted by it.  They usually carry guns
     8:for protection, thus missing one of their saviors points.
     9:        They ignore passages that means they might have to give some comfort
    10:up and usually stick with such sucky things as, "unless you believe in the
    11:son of god, you will surely go to hell."  This serves their narrow minds,
    12:convinced that unless others think like them, they will surely be punished
    13:forever.
    14:        If Jesus, the myth boy, did, in fact, die for OUR sins, then I wish
    15:the fuck he would have stayed dead.  That would mean, since these narrow
    16:minded xtians think that Jesus is also thier god, that both of them would
    17:have stayed dead and this world would be better for that.
    18:        For anyone who may think that I am a satanist, I am not.  I am an
    19:atheist and as such I do not place blame on anyone for creating stupid
    20:individuals or a sucky world.
    21:        Christians make me want to puke, however, in my compassion I truly
    22:feel sorry for them and can only hope that they will someday gain the
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    23:necessary understanding to be truly free of their sickness.   Rod
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    Message: 1304
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Christians
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:59:36

            Christians as a rule have 'sheep' mentalities, they are usually
    bigoted, fight among themselves on doctrine and expect (want) an all out,
    global, thermal nuclear war so that their ridiculous, assisine, stupid,
    uninterpitable, book of revelations can be fulfilled, thus making them
    right.
            The Christian mentality is sick and pea-brained to say the least.  I
    truly feel sorry for those who are afflicted by it.  They usually carry guns
    for protection, thus missing one of their saviors points.
            They ignore passages that means they might have to give some comfort
    up and usually stick with such sucky things as, "unless you believe in the
    son of god, you will surely go to hell."  This serves their narrow minds,
    convinced that unless others think like them, they will surely be punished
    forever.
            If Jesus, the myth boy, did, in fact, die for OUR sins, then I wish
    the fuck he would have stayed dead.  That would mean, since these narrow
    minded xtians think that Jesus is also thier god, that both of them would
    have stayed dead and this world would be better for that.
            For anyone who may think that I am a satanist, I am not.  I am an
    atheist and as such I do not place blame on anyone for creating stupid
    individuals or a sucky world.
            Christians make me want to puke, however, in my compassion I truly
    feel sorry for them and can only hope that they will someday gain the
    necessary understanding to be truly free of their sickness.   Rod

    Message: 1305
    Author: $ Peter Cervelli
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:36:22

    Ho-hum.

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    Subject:Peter

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     1:        I just had to get it out of my system, again.  Now it is out and I,
     2:once again, feel fine.
     3:        This board is great for expression.

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    Message: 1447
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 05/26/88  Time: 23:04:43

    Ahhh Shaddap!

    Message: 1448
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: war
    Date: 05/28/88  Time: 23:40:07

    Funny.... They were ready to throw the book at us until you showed up and
    showed them they had no case.

    Thanks Mike!

    Innocent little me....

    Message: 1449
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 02:09:35

    The guy tried to tell me that if it went into the court room that
    it might prove to be embarassing to the two of us.
    I tried to explain to him that I didn't say anything here on the
    board that was untrue or that I wouldn't say to you face.
    He just didn't understand. Oh well, no biggie. I had things to
    do that day anyway.

    Message: 1450
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/30/88  Time: 00:37:06

    whatever....
    The only way it could have happened better was for him to drop the whole
    ridiculous charge then, instead of waiting 6 months to do it.

    Innocent little me....

    Message: 1451
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Night-Life
    Subject: hmmm..
    Date: 05/30/88  Time: 00:45:58

    Actually, since you can't prove I did anything against the law, I can sue
    you for slander (or libel, whatever) and defamation of character since I
    am innocent (and the very same court you tried to accuse me of wrongdoing
    in, recognizes this fact, also).

    Any lawyers out there want to make a fast buck?

    Innocent little me...

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     1:        Just sue him for Sibel.

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    Message: 1361
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: did you know
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 02:11:46

    that if you stay up late at night and call people with your
    computer and don't identify yourself, you will go to court and
    have your hands slapped??

    Message: 1362
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 04:39:34

    What's your number?

    Message: 1363
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on dream
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 09:02:01

    Would you believe that I knew you'd interpret that dream like that! Do you
    want me to buy the Sanyo stuff first or go on the smoking campaine first? Ha
    - I think I know that answer too!
    Actually, I interpreted the dream myself - Nick was dressed in his usual
    black and I have a thing about priests and .......

    Message: 1364
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:22:04

    Maybe you'd like me to hear your confession?

    Message: 1365
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Father Nick
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:08:17

    Yes! Father forgive me for I have sinner. Just the other night I peeled all
    my clothes off - lit a candle and when it got nice and warm, with the tallow
    running down the sides, Satan came into my soul and I couldn't help it, but
    I had to .....

    Message: 1366
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:51:40

    see if Father Nick wears black underwear...

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    Subject:Nick

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     1:        I heard that Nick had a tatoo of Satan, five inches below his naval,
     2:but I don't know if it is true.

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