### Apollo BBS Archive - September 27 - 29, 1989

    Message: 61249
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MLK
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:01:31

    What did he do?
    Lets call it cival
    Lets call it cival rights day.xD

    Message: 61250
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:14:26

    Re:  "Big Brother"

    I don't think the FBI was doing a "marital relationship" investigation.
    King's infidelity just happened to be exposed during an investigation.  I'm
    not winking at anything.  And I didn't say I don't like King.

    Maybe I'm replying to the wrong post.

    Message: 61251
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:15:56

    {Re:  "credit where it's due"

    I stand corrected.  I still liked Ann's post.

    Message: 61252
    Author: John Kadow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: multiple pseudonyms
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 17:41:14

    The SYSOP has every right, of course, to run the BBS to his own tastes.
    It is also true, unfortunately, that posting under a consistent name allows
    people to pidgeon-hole you -- which is the real reason for the frustration
    of those who have complained about the use of false names.  Why should it be
    important to "know who you are talking to"?  Unless, of course, you want a
    convenient way to label and/or dismiss that person.  Even the consistent use
    of a single pseudonym restricts in the same manner.  People always look for
    pattern and consistency, even where there is none, and rather than accept
    inconsistency and deal with the uneasiness they feel as a consequence, they
    would impose pattern and consistency.  Once you have been identified with a
    particular viewpoint, style, or attitude in a previous post -- even if
    viewpoints, styles, and attitudes are often transient -- everything you say
    henceforth is interpreted in the light of their mental model.  Depending on
    the flexibility of the mind doing the interpreting, the model may be
    modified to one degree or another, but it still exists, and more often than
    not, it remains an innacurate and limited representation.

    I also fail to understand why I should be expected to receive unwanted
    personal communications.  Public messages require public responses -- and I
    don't care if some humorless idiot from Pennsylvania or Texas or Kansas
    thinks I'm seriously bashing his home state.  If I want a private reply I'll
    request one, or use the post office to begin with, a medium which requires
    a private reply.  Personally, I think this sucks...and I'm leaving.

    Message: 61254
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Kadow & Co.
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 19:52:22

            Good bye.....  Take care.

    Okay gang....  he is GONE!  You got what you asked for... right?

    Regardless of what Kadow said, it is difficult to carry on a conversation
    when you don't know if you are talking to one or twenty people.  It also
    shows he is ashamed of what he posts and now, he is angry at us for posting
    how WE feel about his multiple pseudonyms.... ref; "This sucks".

            Those of you who have sent this 'person' mail under one of his
    momentary names....  will you please delete it so I won't have to try and
    hunt them down.   Thank You in advance.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    'Glad that is over!'

    Message: 61255
    Author: Otis Clambake
    Category: War!
    Subject: HELLO
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 20:52:16

            I am a stupid, thoughtless and vulgar person.  Please forgive me.

    Message: 61256
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: War!
    Subject: Cliff's commentary
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 23:29:23

    Sorry, I don't see where Kowtow said that he was ashamed of his posts.
    Please gize.

    Message: 61257
    Author: Micheal Benedict
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hell on Earth
    Date: 09/26/89  Time: 23:52:54

    What if we are there?

    Message: 61258
    Author: Micheal Benedict
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Evolution
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 00:07:29

    Man is evolving. Look at the increase of bodyfat over the centuries.

    Message: 61260
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: B-Dog
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 00:36:02

            I did not say he said he was ashamed of his posts....  He shows his
    shame by using so many names,  Please re-read my post Mr Dog.
            Handles are okay if one sticks to a single handle.  I just do not
    want everyone that has a reasonable handle to get upset here...  we all know
    who you are and we can respond to you.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61261
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/psuedo
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 03:14:28

    I'm pretty sure that everyone knew who was entering most of the posts.
    Mark's writing style is rather easy to recognize.  I don't even think that
    getting him off the board is an answer.  Certainly I had no problems with
    his input.

    Message: 61262
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 05:52:03

     I'll see if I can find the latest comparative chart I referenced in that
    statement. It could be that it compared only the major mailing markets,
    which could exclude Central American countries. If I can find the chart I
    will post it here.

    Message: 61263
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/ Kadow & Co.
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 05:57:14

    Thank you for dealing with that problem. I, too, am glad it is over, if it
    really is. I hadn't said anything earlier in the interest of keeping peace
    by ignoring nonsense, but I was wishing for shields.
     THanks again.

    Message: 61264
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James on Mark..
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 08:36:34

            I was not trying to get anyone off the board...  Mark or whomever?
    I was just trying to get him to select one name to use to stop the
    confusion of whom we were talking at.  I also had no problem with his input,
    but he sure did not understand the problem from the SysOp viewpoint.  The
    rules are posted...somehow he thought he was the exception!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61265
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: "Mark"
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 16:21:02

    Adkins?

    Message: 61266
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last on Mark
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 17:19:07

            No, Twain you dork!    or Samuel Langhorne Clemens

    Message: 61269
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Huh?
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:29:53

    Re:  "Personally, I think this sucks...and I'm leaving."

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

    Message: 61270
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Otis
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:31:07

    Re:  "I am a stupid, thoughtless and vulgar person."

    You should be able to fit right in here.

    Message: 61271
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Huh?
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:32:40

    Re:  "I don't see where Kowtow said that he was ashamed of his posts."

    Only Kowtow and dogs weren't ashamed of his posts.  No offense intended.

    Message: 61272
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hell
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:33:55

    Re:  "What if we are there?"

    Impossible.  How could we be born in hell?

    Message: 61273
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hell
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:59:53

    Didn't you know that women who die while pregnant send the human being they
    are carrying to hell?

    Message: 61274
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 19:17:48

    I find that joke to be in very poor taste.  As it happens, my mother died
    while she was pregnant with my older brother, so the death of pregnant women
    is a sore spot with me.  Please try to take into account the sensitivities
    of others before making such sick "jokes" in the future.

    Message: 61275
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Older brother...???
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 21:29:05

            If she died with your "Older Brother"....  Meaning before you, then
    where do you fit in?  (You were never born?)  Do you have that right?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61276
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/JT
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 02:39:09

    JT is trying to be funny again.

    Message: 61277
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last 3
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 05:50:07

    HaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Message: 61278
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 06:00:54

    "my mother died while she was pregnant with my older brother."
    And you were born in a Petri dish, I suppose.
    Real cute James. Real cute.

    Message: 61279
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT ....
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 08:23:40

    ... made a real funny. I almost felt sorry for the lad that his mother died
    before he was born. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61280
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 08:55:59

    Good posts Rod. Very Interesting. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61281
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 16:32:50

    Re:  "Didn't you know that women who die while pregnant send the human being
    they are carrying to hell?

    Where did you hear that?  It sure isn't in the Bible!

    Message: 61282
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: various names
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 17:00:18

    I read with laughter the silly and pompous retort from the chameleon.
    "Don't want to be pidgeon holed"
    In essence, this means he doesn't want to be held accountable for what
    he says...in other words; "If I radically change my mind or contradict
    an ealier standpoint of mine, I wish to do it without making people think
    my arguments are worthless..."
    The motive(s) obviously are not to debate, but to argue.
    Aww poor thing, your Mom wouldn't let you change your name every 5 minutes
    nor will the society you live in. So why should Cliff ?

    Message: 61283
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: not in the bible
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 17:22:56

    ... sure it is, you just have to look a bit -- same as most of the crap that
    other Christian sects spout.

    Message: 61284
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: B-Dog
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 19:14:54

            Last post was a little nasty.....  wasn't it...
                    Not like you Mr Dog.

                            Try and have a nicer day!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61285
    Author: Glo Kitchener
    Category: In search of
    Subject: ?
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 23:48:58

    to the sysop
    hi. this is my first time on your bbs so have  patience . check ya later.

    Message: 61286
    Author: Andrew Pollack
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: who cares?
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 00:27:50

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    Message: 61287
    Author: Rudy Hermann   ***Me
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Beauregard Dog
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 00:50:12

    Arf! Arf!

    Message: 61288
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Election day
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 06:31:14

     All Phoenicians, time to wake up! Election day is just around  the corner,
    and the special interest groups that would have us dig deeper into our
    pockets to line theirs are hoping for the usual apathy from the voting
    public. Time to prove them wrong!  At issue is the question that asks should
    at least $100 million dollars be extracted from the public pocket (that's
    yours and mine, folks) to build a monument to private enterprise, from which
    only a select few would benefit? Assuming that a baseball team yet to be
    formed would have enough drawing power to convince enough fans to suffer 115
    degree summer heat to sit in the stands and watch them drop like flies
    trying to get around the bases, the only ones who would prosper would be the
    owner of the franchise, a few concessionaires and some downtown hotel and
    restaurant owners. This is not the job providing pie in the sky answer to
    Phoenix's ailing economy that Terrible Terry and his gang of thieves would
    have you believe! A resounding NO!! vote is called for on prop. 1! Also at
    issue is what our "beloved" mayor and council are really worth. There is a
    proposition that calls for an "adjustment" to their salaries that would
    bring them in line with the county supervisors. It doesn't spell it ot, but
    this DOUBLES their salary! Judging from their recent public be damned
    attitudes lately, a 50% cut would seem more appropriate!  Also, a resounding
    YES! vote on prop. 200 should send the message to the gang at city hall that
    we, the people, have had enough of their blowing our money on such amenities
    as amphitheaters, sporting events, stadiums, etc. It will at least give us a
    voice in future sojourns into our pockets!
    VOTE on Tuesday, Oct.3! It's the only voice you have!

    Message: 61289
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 08:47:23

    Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell.
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61290
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 17:33:51

    Re:  "sure it is, you just have to look a bit -- same as most of the crap
    that other Christian sects spout."

    It is easy to say, but impossible for you to prove, since it's untrue.
    Prove me wrong and I will give you a public apology, or what ever else you
    like.

    All you have to do is list the reference that says:

    "women who die while pregnant send the human being they are carrying to hell

    Or even something similar.

    Message: 61291
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 17:37:34

    Re:  "Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell."

    I'm sure your right about what some religions believe.  But what is much
    more important is, what does the Bible say?  Nothing in the Bible says that
    a child not Baptized will go to hell.  There's nothing even close.

    Message: 61292
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann & B.Dog
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:19:14

    B.Dog:
          Your message is a glowing example of mans ignorance. Because you
    *want* the bible to say that, and know that it's not there, you post your
    own version of crap and claim it belongs to religion.
    "-- same as most of the crap that other Christian sects spout."
    The only crap I see spouting here is the foutain of it from your
    impoverished attitude towards other human beings.

    Your fear of what you dodnot understand -or want to- is showing.

    Message: 61293
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:26:14

    "Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell."

    Which ones?

    Please give us references of where you read that or the name of the person
    who told you personally. Or is it the same stuff B.Dog is overflowing with?
    His own version of that facts to suit him and gratify his ignorance?
    If there is someone in any church preaching that it is a prerequesite
    to be baptized (otherwise you go straight to hell) then they themselves
    are not preaching from the Bible. It isn't there. Baptism is covered,
    baptism is a show of faith and was instituted by men..not God.

            It's obvious from the last series of posts that regardless of
    facts or what the truth is, people will  change it to their own
    ends to satisfy something in them that wants to trash religion. In short,
    its the same as spreading lies about someone you hate.
    My question has always been, why do you hate religion? Because you hear
    hateful lies spread by others like B.Dog ?
    Hmm. Seems self propgating to me.

    Message: 61294
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: CoLd!
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:40:29

            Ahhhhh,  ahhhhhh, ahhhhhh......
                    Any one want my cold?
                                    Price....  FREE  this week only!

    Darn I feel LOUSY!  No work done for the past two days....

                            *=* the 'Wimpy' Apollo SysOp *=*

    Message: 61295
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carter/Thornburg
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 21:59:21

    So, tell me, just what else happens to fetuses that weren't baptized in the
    womb?  The only way to go to heaven, according to many of you, involves not
    only being baptized as a kid but also having a second 'birth' which involves
    accepting Jesus as one's personal Savior.

    So, fetuses go to hell. Q.E.D.

    Message: 61298
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: free will etc.
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 22:53:19

    Interesting free will discussion a few days back--I entered a few posts on
    the subject in response to some of Mike Carter's messages, only to find that
    Carter's interlocutor had already said pretty much the same thing.
       I don't think that the free will defense against the problem of evil
    works, though Alvin Plantinga's _God, Freedom, and Evil_ is better than
    most.  I also don't think that any workable definition of free will is
    incompatible with determinism or with God creating only morally perfect
    people.

    Message: 61299
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: nothing from somethi
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:01:38

    So, how does one destroy matter/energy?
       By the way, your message on evolution makes it quite clear that you have
    not the slightest understanding of it.  (e.g., "we still have monkeys and
    they aren't turning into humans"--so what?  Evolutionary theory makes no
    such prediction.)

    Message: 61300
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Show and Tell
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:13:38

    I found an old medical leaflet the other day and thought I would share it
    with you.

    Dear Doctor:

          We are pleased to enclose this fine reproduction of The Seal of
    Persepolis you recently requested.

          Dating back to early Achaemenid Period (circa 522-424 B.C.), the seal
    depicts a mythological king vanquishing two powerful ibexes, symbols of
    demonic spirits.  A winged sun disk, representing the supreme Persian
    deity, Ahuramazda, hovers over the king's head.  The message is clear: the
    victor has conquered his adversaries.  The gods are victorious over the
    demons.

          The ancient people who occupied Mesopotamia and spread their culture
    into Syria and Persia wore seals like this as amulets against the demons,
    who were believed to bring pain, disease or other catastrophes.

          Today, the magic of amulets still exists in primitive cultures.  But
    modern science has, of course, replaced these amulets against pain.
    Consider TYLOX (r) (oxycodene) and acetaminophen), a potent oral analgesic
    for moderate to moderately severe pain.

          We hope you will find this ancient replica a handsome addition to
    your decorative pieces.

    NOTE:  I find this message interesting in that much of today's culture is
    still based upon such stuff.  For example, some people will not leave their
    house without first reading their horoscope.  Some wear crosses around their
    neck or keep statues on their dashboard or at their home.  How many crosses
    are there in America?  And how many people feel that these 'amulets' will
    keep them from harm?  By the way, the medicine described is of the morphine
    type.

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 592
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 09/27/89  Time: 22:30:48

    Amen.

    Message: 593
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: RGB
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 05:36:32

    Help!!!!!

    Message: 594
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/28/89  Time: 12:02:02

    This is not the Dear Abby (Hoffman) SIG.

    Message: 595
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: HELP???
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 09:08:47

    Ralphy is crying out for help and no one is paying any attention! What's the
    problem dear? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 596
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Peter
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 09:10:10

    What are you 'Amening' for brother? God is gonna get you for stealing that
    Blessed Mother Mary plant and you will be in hell for ever and ever and
    ever. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 597
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Hell
    Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:16:16

    But I will be with Peter and Jim and Beauregard and a whole bunch of other
    friends.  I won't be with Savage, Carter, Cliff or Jim Bakker, etc. Good.

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