### Apollo BBS Archive - June 15, 1989

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    Message: 2321
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: ST 5
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:25:51

    You would think that after 23 or so years people would learn how to spell
    "Trek".

    Message: 2322
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: James/Last
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 11:35:35

            Hey, give me a break!
            I am depressed over the movie ..........
            My life will never be the same ......... (sob, sob)

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    Message: 2323
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last/the same
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:30:52

    The same as WHAT?

    Message: 2324
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Poetry
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:29:44

    Hey Ralph, are you trying to improve on Ogden Nash?  Shoot me, too!

    Love you, too
                                                       ****  Gary   ****

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    Message: 3180
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:26:54

    My what?

    Message: 3181
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 11:38:45

            Your actual sized 'pen' that looks like a 1/100 scaled down model of
    the real 'Thang'.

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     1:        You are all a big bunch of DICKHEADS!  What else could I say?
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    Message: 3182
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last 20
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:31:51

            You are all a big bunch of DICKHEADS!  What else could I say?

    Message: 3183
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:34:54

    Where's all that liberal compassion for that poor mis-shapen guy with the
    out of proportion dick, Ann?

    Besides, a woman's place is on the bottom, I thought someone once said!

    I never complain if a woman is too big or too small in the boob department.
    I just get a hard tongue, whatever!

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 3184
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gary/dick
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:49:28

    I do have liberal compassion for poor mis-shapen guys with out of proportion
    dicks! However, I want nothing to do with them! Being an American, I have
    the right to pick and choose and blah, blah, blah!

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    Message: 59243
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:31:04

    Are you registered to vote?

    Message: 59244
    Author: Robert Mulligan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Goddard
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 04:08:04

    Let us hope, Peter, that a strong enough candidate will run against him, and
    beat him. The guy is ripe for the picking. He will, of course, cry that it
    is a negative campaign, when the person points out all the uses for the
    money he wasted on the race, the ramming of the ampitheatre which was
    promptly regurgitated by the residents, etc etc. It's always dirty politics
    when you talk about someone's negative. When in reality, it is everything.
    If you can't use an incumbants mistakes against him, there is no way to get
    rid of him...

    Message: 59245
    Author: Robert Mulligan
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Initiative
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 04:10:03

    Makes them sound real good. They want to beat the citizens in something
    they want...Serve your constituency, eh?

    Message: 59246
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Peter/do next
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 06:16:09

     Well, Peter, there is a group called the Voters Initiative Coalition that
    is working very hard to get signatures on the petition that, if placed on
    the ballott and passed in October, will successfully put some reins on the
    playboys in city hall.
     Other than that, about all I can think of is to pray that they don't waste
    too much effort and money before then, and then vote them ALL out at the
    next election. Personally, I am prepared to vote against every single
    incumbent in city government, regardless of who runs against them. (Heck, I
    might even vote for you Peter!)
     I don't know if we can stop them with some legal maneuver prior to that
    time or not. Hopefully some legal mind can come up with a temporary
    restraining order on the council, or something. Any other ideas out there?

    Message: 59247
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ballot Access
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 09:20:36

      In answer to some questions I have been asked about the ballot access
    petition drive:
      The Libertarian Party has to circulate petitions in order to appear on the
    ballot for each election in which they have not qualified to be on the
    ballot automatically. This automatic qualification can be achieved by either
    having a high enough percentage of voter registration or by receiving a high
    enough percentage of votes in the last election. The Arizona Libertarian
    Party got its last automatic qualification when Sam Steiger ran for governor
    and drew the required votes. If the party qualifies by petition all
    candidates will be on the ballot, each candidate does not have to petition
    separately. I don't have the figures at hand, but I think it would take
    something like a doubling of registered Libertarians to qualify in that way
    or five percent of the vote in the Governor's race to qualify for the next
    election.
       Many Libertarians feel that there should not be any such requirements for
    ballot access, but I am not one of them. In my opinion, if we can't register
    enough people to win permanent ballot access eventually we will have failed
    as a Party anyway and free ballot access would only encourage frivolous
    filings by every nut case in the state at election time. I would support
    lowering the requirement for voter registration to some set amount like 1000
    or so. This would prevent one-shot joke parties from cluttering up the
    ballot forever, but reduce the drain on manpower involved in keeping an
    on-going party on the ballot.

    Message: 59248
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last few & Paul
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 09:41:48

            Good Posts people!  Nice getting up after a hot night and to see
    that the board was busy.
            Paul, I have signed that petition already.  I just hope we are not
    too late.  As you are, I am also going to vote against every incumbent in
    city government that voted for any of these stupid projects, and I don't
    care what party they are in.
            I will sign Dean's petition then.... send one over!  If the
    Libertarians would re-write their platform proposals a little better, I
    would also re-register to become a Libertarian.
            The Libertarian platform is still in the ibrary for 1988.  I do
    not know if any changes to it have occurred since then.  Did you know they
    even have a plank for CHINA.   The file is called LIBPLAT and is in ASCII.

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    Message: 59249
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Meisler
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 10:24:12

    I too am sad because I think it's the truth. I do not feel that Rod was full
    of glee. He was just proving his point all along that this world can be real
    sick. Here we are, trying to solve China's problems and we have our own that
    go un-solved. -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:        No.  They are all alike and corrupt to boot.  Hope you feel better
     2:now.
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    Message: 59250
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:35:17

            No.  They are all alike and corrupt to boot.  Hope you feel better
    now.

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     1:enerally accepted since 1929 findings by American scientist
    22:Edwin Hubble.
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     1:an a universe that
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    23:is changing, which has more of an unknown element."
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    24:            Interesting eh?  -Rod

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    Message: 59251
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: PRESS RELEASE 2 post
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:36:26

                          POLL FINDS 'COSMIC ILLITERACY'

    UPI CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Many American adults suffer from "cosmic
    illiteracy." with nearly half surprised to find out the sun is a star,
    researchers said.

    A nationwide survey of 1,111 adults found only 55 percent knew the sun
    is a star, only 37 percent believed the sun eventually will burn out,
    and only 24 percent knew the universe is expanding.

    "Only a third of American adults have a minimally acceptable
    understanding of the universe," researchers from the Massachusetts
    Institute of Technology and Northern Illinois University concluded
    recently in the British journal SOCIAL STUDIES OF SCIENCE.

    When asked whether the sun is "a planet, a star or something else," 25
    percent said the sun is a planet, 15 percent said it was something
    else, and 5 percent had no idea whatsoever.

    Only 24 percent of those surveyed thought the universe is expanding, a
    concept generally accepted since 1929 findings by American scientist
    Edwin Hubble.

    Message: 59252
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:37:19

    Only 37 percent of those polled said the sun eventually will burn
    out.

    "That was established in the 19th century by Lord Kelvin, a British
    physicist," said MIT Professor Alan Lightman, who co-authored the
    study.

    The MIT scientist said he was pleased that 62 percent agreed that the
    universe contains "thousands of planets like our own on which life
    could have developed."

    However, only 10 percent answered all four questions correctly.

    The study found greater astronomical knowledge among young people,
    males, the better educated and non-churchgoers, the researchers said.

    The study also found a strong personal preference for a static
    universe, independent of age, gender, education or church membership.

    "There seems to be a very psychological need in people for stability
    and control," Lightman said.  "A universe that is static and not
    moving is a little easier to be comfortable with than a universe that
    is changing, which has more of an unknown element."
                Interesting eh?  -Rod

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     1:I could mail you a petition and if you know anyone else who would sign you
     2:could then mail it to Dean.  If anyone else out there in coputer land wishes
     3:a copy to be mailed to them, let me know.  Send mail.  -Rod
     4:(THIS IS TO GET THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ON THE 1990 BALLOT IN ARIZONA)
     5:end

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    Message: 59253
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:40:06

    I could mail you a petition and if you know anyone else who would sign you
    could then mail it to Dean.  If anyone else out there in coputer land wishes
    a copy to be mailed to them, let me know.  Send mail.  -Rod
    (THIS IS TO GET THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ON THE 1990 BALLOT IN ARIZONA)

    Message: 59254
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod...
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:07:55

    "the better educated and non-churchgoers, the researcher said".... Rod, send
    me a photo copy of that text and the rags name you got that out of.  I do
    not see what wether you go to church or not has to do with that.

            By the way, I would have gotten all those correct.

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    Message: 59255
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Libertarian ballot
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:13:12

            And when they are on the ballot, why are the number of votes for
    libertarians so hard to get when the returns come in?

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    Message: 59256
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Illiteracy
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:27:51

    Rod - A lot of people think that God created the universe in six days about
    six thousand years ago.  Gues one never knows what to believe, huh?

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 59257
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taranto/#59231
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:45:08

    There are a few flaws in your post. "And that is what makes this country so
    great -- our government was deliberately set up not to have absolute power."
    (your quote!) 'Set up' is the key word here - but daily, yearly, that is
    changing. If you think that China & Russia have 'absolute power' and our
    government does not, you are mistaken. I agree that in those countries if I
    mouthed off with my 'obnoxious & obscene views' views as you put it, I would
    be shot. As an American, I have the right to do so - so far that is! I have
    a right to carry a gun if I wish - again, so far! (Their nibbling away at
    that right now!) Of course, we have the right to vote - but who do we vote
    for? Do we choose the candidates? No! That last election was my point
    exactly - we had choices between a bunch of boobs! Some wonderful right that
    was! (I voted a write in - which is one of the things I DO re: "My list of
    complaints about America" - your quote again!)
    You think our government doesn't have absolute power? Then you do not know
    about the IRS! Those three little words puts fear in the hearts of all
    Americans. (Even if you never cheated on tax in your life) You'd be better
    off taking a gun, going into a Circle K - shooting the clerk and several
    bystanders than trying to evade paying even a $1,000 in taxes. You'll end up
    in jail for a longer stretch - IF you ever do get out! Through the present
    tax system, the gov. has the right to take away your land, home, &  material
    possessions. I.E. - you have a home paid for but can't afford to pay $2,000
    in taxes. They flat take it, sell it at the value they deem fit and take
    their money. (Who else has that kind of power over the people?) You even
    have to get their permission to sue them.
    Being as young as you are, you do not have past examples to remember when
    this country was more free. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why
    you don't see where it's headed! Their gnawing away at us and you can only
    sit back and Praise America - Hallelujah - and condemn other's for not
    liking what's going on! So what do you do? You go out and rally for China!
    As I said before, a nobel cause but if the gov. refuses to do anything about
    it, what do you hope for? If you have these ambitions, then go out and do
    something to make America better. Lord only knows, your certainly in a
    better position to do so than most of us!
     Re: Meisler: I still think you are a prime example of the 'smugness' in
    America he refered to. To coin an old addage - "You cannot see the forest
    for the trees!'

    Message: 59259
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: China students...
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:30:28

            I hear today they are handing down a DEATH sentence to those charged
    with starting a 'Riot'?  The old Communist propaganda show with so called
    criminals and signs of their crimes hanging from their necks adore Chinese
    T.V. sets.  Ann, how can you even think that our government comes close to
    this?  I am pleased to say, there is a BIG differance between our Government
    and thiers, even though we have some minor problems.  I feel for those brave
    students in China fighting the best they can for what Ann takes for granted.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59260
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:57:54

            I am not positive but my understanding concerning the death
    sentences that were handed down was from students starting a fire on a train
    that caused six deaths.  If that is the case then the laws in this country
    are the same.

            As far as the UPI post that concerns people not knowing whether the
    sun is a star or whether the universe is static or not, I have this to say
    about that:  The clipping is right in front of my eyes.  I clipped it from
    the Arizona Republic and it was in last Sundays issue.  I quoted it word for
    word and I neither added or subtracted from it one iota.

            Yes, I am aware that you as well as the vast majority of the people
    who are into computers are more aware of the nature of things than the
    average, non-communicating joe blow.  Because of this I think that such an
    organization as Apollo, the members, can cause an effect on the state of
    things.  I have seen where a small group of people have changed a nation.
    We are more literate than the average.

            I too wonder why the Libertarian vote totals as well as the Party
    itself is ignored by the main media.  I can see what the establishment has
    to fear if they, the Libertarians, gain a foothold and I think that therein
    lies the answer to our question.  The current administration does not want
    to do away with the IRS and they do not want to make drugs legal.  Many
    would lose their jobs.  -Rod

    Message: 59261
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:59:12

            I always thought the universe was created on July 25, 1942.  But
    what do I know.

    Message: 59262
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 18:00:31

            I mailed a letter to my friend last evening concerning specifics on
    political prisioners.  I stressed that I needed to know that information.
    Hopefully he will respond soon.   Rod

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    Message: 422
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:32:47

    U hav shitt fur branes.

    Message: 423
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 02:26:52

    Are you one of the guys hanging around 2nd and Portland?

    Message: 424
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/#419/ T. paper
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 10:37:43

    Hahahahahahahahahaha. That was a very funny mini story! That takes insult of
    the week prize! -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:Thank you but I must admit that I made it all up.  It wasn't spaghetti, it
     2:was Texas chili.  And the specks were not all brown as some of them were
     3:green and yellow.  Thanks again.
     4:end

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    Author: $ Rod Williams
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    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:41:46

    Thank you but I must admit that I made it all up.  It wasn't spaghetti, it
    was Texas chili.  And the specks were not all brown as some of them were
    green and yellow.  Thanks again.

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     1:JT sure knows how to give a person a hard time.  Perhaps he should find
     2:female company that he could really give a 'hard time' to.  Just a thought.
     3:end

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    Message: 426
    Author: $ Rod Williams
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    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:42:45

    JT sure knows how to give a person a hard time.  Perhaps he should find
    female company that he could really give a 'hard time' to.  Just a thought.

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    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
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    Subject: Texas chili
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:14:56

            I don't eat Texas Chili....  but James Hawley does.

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    Message: 428
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/hard
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:50:34

    I always did think JT was hard up. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 429
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/JT
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 18:03:47

            I think that the best thing that could happen to JT would be for him
    to join the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) or the Weather
    Underground.

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    Please hang up now

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