### Apollo BBS Archive - September 22, 1988

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    Message: 4280
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last post...
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 07:32:10

    Hey.......Roddie.........

    You sound more like you don't want any system at all!

    In the most perfect system of all, there would be one demand on every member
    or citizen, and that would be that everyone is responsible for each and
    every action he/she makes, including what she/he says.  Not only would you
    be responsible for not harming anyone by your actions, you would also be
    responsible for not causing any damage by what you said.

    In that case wouldn't everyone be able to do whatever they wanted, unless it
    harmed someone else?  And could you live up to the demands such a society
    would make on you?

    Think about it.

    See Y'aa..........

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     1:        I already do.
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    Message: 4280
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last post...
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 07:32:10

    Hey.......Roddie.........

    You sound more like you don't want any system at all!

    In the most perfect system of all, there would be one demand on every member
    or citizen, and that would be that everyone is responsible for each and
    every action he/she makes, including what she/he says.  Not only would you
    be responsible for not harming anyone by your actions, you would also be
    responsible for not causing any damage by what you said.

    In that case wouldn't everyone be able to do whatever they wanted, unless it
    harmed someone else?  And could you live up to the demands such a society
    would make on you?

    Think about it.

    See Y'aa..........

    Jeannie

    Message: 4281
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 16:57:43

    Some people don't pay their taxes?  I don't believe you.  Would you care to
    name names?

    Message: 4282
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 17:16:49

    Your complaints about "capitalism," "society," and so on are petty and
    self-indulgent.  You talk about how miserable your childhood was because
    your parents didn't provide for you as they should have.  Well, you're
    right.  Your parents fell short.  Everyone ought to grow up in a stable
    family and have his basic needs provided for until reaching the age of
    majority.  The fact that you were denied this is not a failing of "society,"
    however, it is a failing of two individuals:  your mother and your father.
    And not much can be done about it now; you're a grownup, Rod, and you may as
    well start acting like one.

    Whatever is wrong with your life at this point, it is your responsibility,
    not the fault of "capitalism" or "the system."  Yet you are intent on
    magnifying not only your own minor problems, but the minor problems of our
    nation as well.  Your unforutunate childhood or the existence of a handful
    of homeless people become an indictment of society.  So you blithely embrace
    communism or whatever doctrine can upset people and call attention to your
    "suffering."  When it's pointed out to you that communism means children
    starving to death in Ethiopia and being maimed by Soviet bombs in
    Afghanistan, you sneer at those who truly suffer.  You cannot expect
    compassion from us because your father deserted you at age 15 when you have
    none for the Afghan child who is maimed by a Soviet bomb at age 9.

    You remind me of myself a few years ago:  indiscriminately rebelling against
    society, trying to tear down what is good rather than repair what is

    Message: 4283
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Continued
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 17:17:06

    bad.  I grew out of it.  Will you?

    Message: 4284
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeannie
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 17:36:13

            I already do.

    Message: 4285
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 17:42:01

            I never said that my childhood was miserable.  On the contrary, I
    thought it was a good one at the time because I didn't know any different.
    I just figured that god was testing me or something.  Besides I always read
    my horrorscope so I knew what would happen to me each and every day.
            Yep, my father was a failure alright.  I guess he couldn't handle
    this here pig capitalism.  He was in the U.S. Marines in the early to mid
    forties and when he got out, I guess he just didn't like to, or couldn't
    handle paying rent.  Sheesh.
            The reason that people do not realize that they are kin is because
    in order to realize this fact, one has to have understanding and because we
    live on a basically illiterate planet, this important substance is lacking.

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     1:        I think you (we) only read into each others messages what we want to
     2:believe about each other.  Because what I said in yesterdays message is so
     3:damn simply to understand that you have already misconstrued it as will
     4:others.  Oh well, as JT used to say.
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    Message: 1003
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: Old drawing
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:06:23

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    Message: 1004
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:07:43

    Just thought I'd post one of my old drawings to keep the board alive and
    maybe inspire someone to be creative again. Daryl? Mike? Sandy? Who ever?
    May the Force be with you. =*--ANN--*=

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    Subject:last

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     1:        Still good.  Yes, the farce is still with me.
     2:end

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    Message: 2021
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: David/Hyde
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:11:09

    I confess - I do suffer from the Jekle & Hyde syndrom. Heh heh heh.
    =*--MRS. HYDE--*=

    Message: 2022
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Lloyd/your jokes
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:12:01

    Great! Keep them going. =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

    Message: 2023
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Lloyd
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 10:28:28

    HHAAAAAAA HHHHAAAAA My sides hurt.
                     Ralph

    Message: 2024
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 17:23:41

    A face-to-face meeting usually consists of social pleasantries that don't
    require much thought.  Many people who seem level-headed in person prove
    quite muddleheaded when they try to expound in writing on a complicated
    thought.  Ann's comments here look to be off-the-cuff remarks that might not
    be out of place in a conversation but look incredibly stupid when they are
    presented as the products of thought.  Rod, I'm sure you know, is quite
    capable of being a muddlehead in person -- indeed, spoken muddleheadedness
    is Rod's forte even more than written muddleheadedness.

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     1:        Go eat a pile of shit.
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    Message: 54238
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ann
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 01:29:17

    Re: Chuckle!

    In this case, one is one too many...or one too few,
    I'd say only 1/2 will be elected....

    Have you *ever* seen a Worse decision to make for the best of the worst or
    for the lesser of two evils?

    Carol->

    Message: 54239
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 01:30:00

    Please don't tell me *you* didn't have insurance....

    I am sure glad you are okay...

    Carol->

    Message: 54240
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean's figures
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 05:40:05

    All those fgures you took three messafes to throw around undoubtedly came
    directly from Reagan administration propogande, and proves nothing more than
    the fact that a good liar can make figures and statistics say anything he
    wants them to say. The same goes for polls also. They can be slanted to
    indicate anything the pollster wishes to emphasize.
     If you who are so mesmerized by the second-rate actor and fourth-rate
    politico would get your eyes out of the smoke and swindle sheets, and back
    to reality, you might see some truths that Ronnie baby would rather keep
    secret. Like the small business bankruptcies. Like the increase in homeless.
    Like the phony unemployment figures that have been deflated only because
    most of the "jobs" that this administration has created are substandard and
    incapable of adequately supporting a family. Like the disaster that his
    "healthy economy" really is.
    You might, but I doubt it.

    Message: 54241
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 06:43:30

    To sum up: "I'm not going to accept any evidence which can be used against
    my position."

    Message: 54242
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 08:07:21

    Ok.  Is UCSD a little closer?

    Message: 54243
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Carol
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 08:57:35

    No, I don't remember a time when there were two worse choices to choose
    from. Basically, I'm a democrat - but I don't care for Ducaca at all and
    don't trust him - ditto Bush. It also seems this is the worst compain for
    back stabbing that I remember. What happened to politicians like Kennedy,
    Truman and Roosevelt? No angels there - but they inspired the people - made
    them hope for a better future. I can't gather one ounce of hope in either
    candidate. It'll just be more of the same - a few good things will change
    but a lot won't - our taxes will just go up for one reason or another - the
    government will get more control over us - the middle income will continue
    to be squeezed - the cost of living will go up some more etc. etc. Nothing
    new or inspiring! I only hope that the one choosen will keep his damn
    finger off that 'button'! See you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54244
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Trotsky
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 11:57:31

      The point of the icepick was not as important as the force behind it.
         See You Later,
            Dean H.

    Message: 54245
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 16:52:25

    The figures Hathaway cited are prepared by career civil servants in the
    Census Bureau, and are not "Reagan propaganda."  Indeed, the Census Bureau
    figures paint an unduly pessimistic picture of the condition of American
    families, because, as Hathaway pointed out, they fail to take into account
    in-kind benefits, including both government benefits such as food stamps,
    public housing, and Medicaid, and fringe benefits from employment, such as
    medical insurance.  They are only useful to charting general trends, and
    those trends are unmistakable:  stagnation between 1973 and 1987, a dramatic
    decline between 1979 and 1982, and robust growth since 1982 -- that is,
    since Reagan's economic policies took effect.

    There simply isn't anything to the doom-and-gloom scenario Dukakis and his
    supporters describe.  Of course, these statistics don't mean much to the
    average voter -- most people, like yourself, lack either the intelligence or
    the interest to concern themselves with nationwide economic trends.  People
    vote their own pocketbooks, and Dukakis's message will have resonance among
    the limited group of people who have been casualties of the normal
    vicissitudes of the economy.  But this group is quite small, which assures
    that, unless Vice President Bush gives people a very good reason to vote
    against him (e.g., an outrageous statement during the debate), he will be
    the next president.  Indeed, I will be surprised if Bush gets fewer than 400
    electoral votes.

    Message: 54246
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 16:56:10

    Bitch, bitch, bitch.  You must drive your husband crazy with all your damn
    complaining.  If there were no problems in the world, you would have to
    invent some in order to have something to complain about.

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    Message: 275
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Daryl DickHead
    Subject: Hey
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 08:10:19

    Anyone want to buy a Dodge van?

    Message: 276
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:33:24

    "That's OK Rod. It didn't hurt a bit and I need the walk to get myself back
    into shape. And by the way, thanks for saving my life!"
    "Don't mention it friend, but now I must get back home and think this thing
    out. We can't let this happen again. See you later James!"
    Rod gets back in his van and gooses the engine, spraying James with little
    pebbles as he drives off.

    That night was a repeat of the night before! The rain came down in a fine
    drizzle and the traffic was almost nil and it was actually quiet - people
    preferring to be at home, cuddled up under electric blankets or in front of
    their fireplaces.

    Sandy and Cliff were no different. They were cozily nestled on the couch in
    front of the television, watching the late show. The lights were turned off
    as they snuggled warmly together. Cliff was almost dozing.
    Suddenly, Sandy smelled something awful. She sat up abruptly, jarring Cliff
    awake.
    "What's the matter dear? Is the program over?"
    "No, no, listen. Can you hear that noise? And what is that terrible odor?
    Did you forget to put out the garbage again Cliff?"
    They both could hear a muffled sound coming from their bedroom upstairs and
    it had suddenly became very cold in the house.
    "I did put the garbage out!"
    "Oh my God Cliff - someone is in the house!"   Cont.

    Message: 277
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/22/88  Time: 09:47:23

    "No one could get in Sandy. It must be the boys fooling around again. Won't
    you please settle down baby. No one is getting in here!"
    "We put the boys to bed hours ago! I tell you, someone is in here. Go look
    and take the gun with you!"
    "Ok! Ok! But your being ridiculious"
    Both of them crept up the stairs. The front door was wide open and wet
    footprints were on the carpet - both coming and going! The carpet was
    thoughly soaked.
    They went up to their bedroom and Cliff switched on the light. The room was
    a total wreck! Their bed looked like it had been hacked to pieces!
    "Who would do such a thing?" Sandy sobbed. "What a cruel trick to play on
    us"!
    "This is no trick!" Cliff said. "You didn't make the bed this morning and it
    looked like we were in it with the covers piled up like that! Some one meant
    to kill us!"
    "That can't be true! We have no enemies!"
    "We have one enemy and that's David Burkhart!"
    "Have you gone Crazy Cliff? David's been dead over a year!"
    "I just know it's him - somehow! I also know he plans to kill us all and I
    can even guess the next victim!"
    Sandy begin to shake violently - her teeth rattling. "Who is the next
    victim? Who?"

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