### Apollo BBS Archive - September 10, 1988

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    Message: 4160
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod on JT
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:02:28

    OH! When was JT 'a fairly nice person'? I don't recall and have been here
    over a year! I will admit to reading and enjoying some of his posts, but
    lately he hasn't posted any of value - just critisizm and sarcastic, mundane
    remarks. Guess he's saving all his good stuff for his job - leaving us with
    his garbage! See you later. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4161
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy/JT's rock.
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:03:57

    Yeah - it moved! His head wouldn't fit under it and it was a bolder too!
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4162
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/JT
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 16:49:13

    Yeah, you're right.  Your penetrating logical analysis of the flaws in his
    argument really made him look like a fool.

    Message: 4163
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Opening A Store
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:19:11

    I'm planning on opening an independent record store somewhere in northern
    Arizona sometime within the next year. My design (theoretically) provides
    for a 97% (or more) pilfer-proof shopping environment, without all of those
    expensive security "walls" that do nothing but beep, which gives the
    shoplifter the instruction to RUN LIKE HELL!

    Anyhow, on to my serious question. Which is better, to enter a fixed-rental
    rate agreement, or enter a profit-sharing rental rate agreement? I've seen
    heads being beaten into other heads on this subject, and nothing has been
    said to sway my opinion one way or another. Suffice to say, where I plan on
    opening my record store there is high traffic, and very little competition
    (within the entire town!). For my type of smaller record store, would it be
    better to enter a strip mall, or attempt to locate into a mall or mini-mall?
    If the venture is successful, I plan on either expanding the store to carry
    videos, or to possibly rent an adjacent piece of property and run the video
    store as a seperate entity. I don't want to go into too much detail, as this
    plan represents my current life's ambitions, and I don't want to lose it to
    someone with more money and big ears.

    Message: 4164
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 22:28:36

    I suggest not becoming a business owner under the Dukakis administration.

    Message: 4165
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod W.
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:19:55

      Anyone who desires to do away with private property (as your 'a square
    mile free for each person' scheme would) is a socialist. There are many
    socialist schemes which may or may not be identified with existing
    governments. The only thing they all have in common is a pre-destined
    descent into failure and misery since they are based on a view of human
    nature which is incompatible with human nature as it exists.
      It makes as much sense as designing a utopian environment for a species of
    animal which does not exist and then killing hundreds of millions of
    existing livestock in an attempt to force them to mutate into something
    compatible with the new environment. This is what Marxism has done, only
    with people.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4166
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:45:02

    What we're arguing about, really, is whether a landlord and tenant have the
    right to enter into any agreement, and whether it is rational to criticize
    them when they wouldn't have entered into the agreement unless they expected
    some benefit.
    This says nothing about whether in a particular instance, it is better to go
    with the profit-based rent or flat rate.
    It's my impression that the best place for a record store is in a mall, even
    if a small one.  The strip malls don't get as many impulsive walk-ins.  But
    whether the advantage of a mall is enough to justify the added cost in your
    case, I don't know.  You might talk to Kimber Lanning, former Zia's
    employe, who (last I knew) was running a record store called Stinkweeds (or
    something like that, ask Zak).  I don't know if she was succesful.

    Message: 4167
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:36:27

    You still think "Disco Duke" is going to win the election?

    Message: 4168
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: ANN/JT
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:29:51

            When he was delivering pizza, JT was a decent sort of chap.  I guess
    every one of his old aquaintances are beneath him, except for those who
    agree with his 'quaint', cruel ways.  Oh well.
            JT doesn't look like a fool, more like a blob without feelings.

    Message: 4169
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean/Socialism
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:35:17

            Oh well, again.  Sorry, but mankind doesn't have the mental capacity
    to have a smooth running environment at this time.  Perhaps we never will
    but the voilent motion in the universe will decide our fate even if we sleep
    all the time.
            Too bad we couldn't have a fun world while life exists but that is
    directly attributble to our current stupidity.
            * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod

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     1:        The city, county, state, & national governments have think-tanks
     2:who's job it is to think up creative ways of taxation.  The rule of thumb
     3:is, if taxation cannot be effectively enforced then make it illegal.
     4:(social gambling, etc.)
     5:        By the same token, capitalists of the so-called private sector do
     6:the same thing...think up new ways to get more.  This in turn is passed on
     7:to the comsuming public by higher rates.
     8:        By the rule of capitalism, profit and growth are the motives.  In
     9:order to make more, prices must rise on a continuum.  This is a dead end
    10:system of which we haven't quite reached that end but it is in the cards of
    11:the not so very distant future.
    12:        It is a wonder we still have pennies, dimes, etc.  What will the
    13:future generation do about this situation as prices rise?  Someday, a five
    14:dollar bill will be the smallest currency, etc.
    15:        If this system of ours is the best, large working system on this
    16:planet, it doesn't mean it is without fault.  People keep pointing to
    17:socialism or capitalism and saying, "see", well, hell, it doesn't mean a new
    18:and different system from these others couldn't be designed.  But that takes
    19:intelligence, doesn't it?
    20:end

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    Message: 1955
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Fing!
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:06:05

    I love Fing!

    Message: 1956
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Fing
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:46:33

    Maybe we all ought to stop this Fing around and find some more users for
    Apollo.

    Message: 1957
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 15:36:14

    Fing Cliff

    Message: 1958
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last few
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:21:10

    This whole conversation makes me want to upching.

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     1:Chuck you.
     2:end

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    Message: 54082
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol And Stars
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:13:10

    John Garfield, Paul Munie and a few others were all purged under the
    Mc Carthy Witch hunt for pinkos.

    It is a shame that back then you were not as free as today. Back then you
    could not speak yor thoughts if you were in the Public eye. God help us
    all if Rod or JT was around then.
    *           The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 54083
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol/the stars
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:55:43

    Yeah - I remember Robert Walker. Wasn't too fond of him though but have you
    seen his son in a few things on TV? He ABSOLUTELY looks like his father.
    It's eerie. John Garfield - oh how I loved him and still drool when I see
    his old movies. He dripped sex appeal. Ralph was right about him being
    ruined in the 'Witch Hunts' and he died fairly young. Have not read his life
    story. Yes, George Sanders comitted suicide. He was Za Za's fourth husband I
    think. She claims he was the only man she ever loved.
    I can't comment on Grable's decadence here - to sexually lurid. The stars
    lives are sort of my hobby over the years - have read most of the biography
    books - missed June Haver's though. Did know she went into a convent! Of all
    the books - Judy Garland's life was the worse - saddest. Not that she was
    decadent - people used her badly from childhood. She litterly died on a
    toilet seat - her body simply just giving up life! It always amazes me how
    a lot of them turn out so badly with so much beauty, stardom and the good
    life. One would think they'd be some happiness in there. Of all that I read
    - Lana Turner probably enjoyed stardom to the fullest and still plays the
    part of a glamourous star. See you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54084
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: DOOM PROPHET
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:20:56

         I'd like to participate in your end of the world gathering, but I have
    to work on Sunday.
         Maybe next time.

    Message: 54086
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: We have a ....
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 10:35:03

    .... new amusement park called 'America's Drug Merry-go-round and Zoo'!
    Here's the scene: We are now going to spend $5.9 billion on our war
    against drugs! That's a ludicrous figure since it's probably only a
    third of what the profits are from drugs! It's also ludicrous when you
    think where that money could better be used - Social Security -
    Medicare - to pay off some of the National debt - the poor - the poor
    in other countries - medical research on cancer - heart disease, etc.

    And now - they have added the 'mighty feared' Death Penalty! Whoa! That
    should really scare um' to death alright! But for the life of me, I
    can't figure out why a drug related murder is any worse than an other
    murder! We have the death penalty now and 99% of the murderers just sit
    it out in prison awaiting their eventual parole.

    But I'll have to admit they are gonna save us big bucks here - they are
    going to "deny 'many' federal benefits to anyone convicted of two (2)
    narcotics offenses"!! Boyee - that'll really stop them! They'll feel so
    terrible with all those millions in profits from drugs but they can't
    get their rightful pittance from the government and horror beyond
    horrors, can't be buried in Arlington National Cemetery! That'll deter
    any potential drug runner right there! What 'inhumane' punishment!
                               Cont.

    Message: 54087
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: More
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 10:36:28

    Cont.
    That $5.3 billion dollar figure is only the icing however. It doesn't
    include the trials and re-trials of these drug murderers, offenders,
    dealers - nor the cost of housing them in prison for years - the cost
    of new prisons that will have to be build to accommodate them - nor the
    extra narcodic agents/police that will have to be hired - All, may I
    add, coming out of the tax payer's pocket! This situation reminds me of
    the old saying - "Like pounding sand down a rat hole"! Futile and a
    waste of time!

    But the very most ludicrous thing of all about this is -- it's the
    people that want drugs - buys it and uses it! Take away the dealers
    market and he'd be out of business. No one is forcing anyone to take
    drugs. It's all made to sound as if we have no choices. Obviously, they
    do not intend to give it up! So therefore, the only sane thing to do in
    an insane situation is to give them what they want! Legalize Drugs! It
    would cost us a fraction of the money used to fight it. We could grow
    our own (the country) and make that profit - we could open drug
    rehabilitation clinics - free to those that want to kick the habit.
    (better than prisons) We could charge a small fee for said drugs so
    that most could afford it without a life of crime to feed their habit.
    We could flood the media with warnings of the dangers of drug use, just
    like we do drunk driving et al. Isn't it about time for this?
                          =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54088
    Author: Mike Evans
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: new bbs
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 14:49:26

    Hi, I am Mike, a cosyop of abolons castle, call this cool bbs at 939-5999
    tell them mike sent you for higher access..also check out suboard number 4

    Message: 54091
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 16:55:57

    It's tonight at 8pm, at the Peter Piper near Metro.
    Be there.

    Message: 54092
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: end of time
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 22:30:27

    Is everybody ready for the Rapture next week?  It's supposed to occur by
    Wednesday, according to "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988" by
    Edgar C. Whisenant.

    Message: 54093
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Hamilton
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:36:47

      Take all your reservations about remedying pollution problems in a
    Libertarian political system and multiply them by two. Now you have
    approximately the current situation with government acting as a go-between
    and all powerful arbitrator of claims. When a company somehow loses favor
    with a government department and faces legal action it still has a myriad of
    options available to get itself back in favor with the department and get
    off easy. If all else fails their lawyers just threaten to call the
    government's bluff on the dubious legality of enforcing rules as if they
    were laws and the whole thing is settled for a tiny fraction of the damages
    originally sought.
      When the real injured party is procecuting a polluter the incentive is to
    recover damages and prevent further incidents, when the government does it
    the only incentive is some nice publicity. If the government actually did
    anything to curb pollution a lot of staff and funding would be lost.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54094
    Author: Jeff Watkins
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: NEW BBS <>
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 03:18:44

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    Message: 54095
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lopinto
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:34:08

    He lives in Vergennes, Vermont, the smallest city in the United States,
    which is also where he works.  He bought a new house where he lives with the
    wife and kids.  His kids are now 13, 7, 5, and 3.  The 13-year-old said one
    word to me the whole time I was there.  The others are a pain in the ass,
    but they're cute nonetheless.  Frank spends a lot of time watching C-SPAN
    these days, and Mary works at a deli and is also a volunteer member of the
    local rescue squad.  Any other questions?

    Message: 54096
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Drugs
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:51:28

            Good message on drugs.  Doesn't that post belong in a Letters to the
    Editor column?

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     1:        Thanks for the information.  Please say hi for me the next time you
     2:talk to him.  Either that or give me his address and number and I will phone
     3:him.  Frank was the first BBS user I spoke with after my initial log on.  He
     4:and I shared some of the same type of experiences in the sixties.
     5:                                Rod
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    Message: 216
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Church
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:01:03

    Gee Rod I go to my Church Every day. It is here at home and I preach
    the sermon,always what I want to here.
    The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 217
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Hey Rod!
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:12:34

    Lets 'SAVE' Ralphy! He's in bad need of it. May the Force be with you.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 218
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Mike Farter
    Subject: Why you...
    Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:30:24

    You heap of decaying shreds of upper-palate flesh! Go throw yourself in a
    vat of simmering cattle intestines and puppy vomit! You make me want to rip
    the innards from a 3-week-dead swine infected with AIDS, and stomp them into
    the ground until they stop squishing, and then force feed them through your
    severed jugular vein!

    Message: 219
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Daryl DickHead
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 12:17:51

    Why don't you just SHOOT him?

    Message: 220
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Daryl DickHead
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:27:21

    That would be too humane.  Mike deserves much worse.

    Message: 221
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:37:34

    What a geek.

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     1:        Do you want we should, you and I, gang up on Darly DickHead?  Why
     2:don't you get him a job with the "Foundation"?  He can think and he is
     3:humane.
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     1:        Ralph, you old fart, I would like to convert you to a better way of
     2:life, both mentally and physically.  This better way is most commonly known
     3:as atheism although I like to think of it as 'one with the universe', an
     4:evolutionist.
     5:        It's never too late, you old fart, so get with it, stop on by and be
     6:attacted by my children who spout atheist propaganda at the top of their
     7:little lungs, all the while never quite knowing what they are saying.  But
     8:it doesn't matter, we all are brainwashed, you with a bogus religion and
     9:they with a non-religion they hardly understand.
    10:        We all start out fairly blank (Mozart?) and whatever is DRILLED into
    11:you is usually what stays unless something happens during your life time
    12:that wakes that mighty blob of gray matter up and makes you think.
    13:        Some people go through their entire lives, never thinking, just
    14:accepting whatever is told them.  This is the norm.  But there are people,
    15:such as myself, who was dropped on their heads at birth, who question every
    16:word, every thought.
    17:        Yes, I most certainaly admit that the latter group are happier (the
    18:non-questioners) and get through life easier.  Sports, beer and church are a
    19:fun, alternative but once your mind has been blown, you can never get back
    20:unless you have a full lobotomy and they ain't cheap.
    21:        Join us Ralph, we love you.
    22:        * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod
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    First name:DEAN
    Last name:HATHAWAY
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     1:        The electronic store was closed.  They open Monday so I will go by
     2:and keep you informed.
     3:        What do you need (not excluding green paper shit: cash)?
     4:                                        Me

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