### Apollo BBS Archive - August 5, 1990

    Message: 1903
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 00:27:59

    Re:  "Can you imagine what havoc believing that an eternal hell existed
    would have on my decision making?"

    Probably none since you don't believe in hell.

    Message: 1906
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Bob/decision
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 00:43:17

    I think you may have missed the point, Mr. Bob.  It is this:

    In our mind there is a decision making center, if you will.  This center
    contains a terminal for each (depending on how your mind is formatted) area
    of thought, known facts, superstition (my religion garbage is dumped in this
    one and it is a closed circuit; not used in making real decisions) and
    information that was taught by accepted authorities and perhaps a few
    others.

    In any case, when one needs to make a decision, which is often, then the
    combined knowledge of the 'round-table' is taken into account and a decision
    is rendered and all in the space of 1 nanosecond or less depending on the
    problem.

    Those who have an operational terminal for religion as well as superstiton
    not only take longer or make a decision that is so-so but can remain
    confused for long periods as to their reasoning as scientific fact is
    shelved in the name of Jesus.

    Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 68274
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 17:55:01

    I worship the God Niterc.  He is the only true God.  He is omnipotent and
    benevolent, completely benevolent, but at the same time, he is a jealous God
    full of wrath against those who choose not to worship him.  You can only be
    a friend or enemy of Niterc; he will not allow you to be neutral.  If you
    are not for him, you are against him, and the only way you can demonstrate
    that you are for him is by worshiping him.
    He has created a punishment for those wicked enough not to worship him.
    This punishment is terrible, and everlasting.
    Now, you may not believe in Niterc; but what if you are wrong?  Can you
    afford to take that chance?  If you choose to worship Niterc, and he does
    not exist, then you have lost nothing.  If, on the other hand, you choose
    not to worship him and he does exist, then you lose everything.  The only
    logical thing for you to do, then, is worship Niterc.  Good luck in your
    choice.  Niterc Loves you, whether you love Niterc or not.  Niterc knows
    what is best for you, though if you refuse to worship him, what is best for
    you is also what is worst for you.  This may seem paradoxical, but it is not
    our place to question the wisdom of Niterc.  Niterc be with you.

    Message: 68275
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/love & science
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 17:58:00

    No, love is a state of mind.  You cannot measure states of mind, and the
    phenomena you mentioned (or any physical observable phenomena) could take
    place without love.  Though the reverse may not be true.  That is, if
    certain physical phenomena are necessary for love, it is not necessarily
    true that the presence of those phenomena indicate love.  See?

    Message: 68276
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill/phonograph
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 18:13:36

    I will try to answer this off the top of my head; I don't know that it is
    the correct explaination.
    We know that there is no such thing as absolute rest, in terms of velocity,
    because velocity is necessarily referenced to something else, though that
    thing also is moving.  That is, we can say that I am at rest relative to the
    Earth, but the Earth itself is moving; I am not at absolute rest, nor is
    does such a state exist.
    Not having velocity does not mean anything unless the standard of rest is
    specified.  Not having rotation, however, means something distinct.
    The state of no rotation of a body is that in which that body can can be
    without any internal strains.  As soon as rotation sets in, the body tries
    to distend, and strains arise to keep the parts farthest from the axis from
    flying off.  There is no force if a particle continues with the same
    velocity (velocity being a "vector" quantity, it has both direction and
    speed).  But a particle on a rotating body will change the direction of its
    velocity as it moves around the center of the body.  There has to be a force
    holding the particle in (a centripetal force) to counter the centrifugal
    pull of the particle.  The centripetal force can dissapear only if there is
    no rotation.
    Now, the same forces which hold a body together during a state of no
    rotation are the same ones which hold it together during rotation.  The
    amount of stress is directly proportional to the amount of rotation (angular
    velocity, and also to the distance of the particle from the center.

    Thus, the amount of stress is directly proportional to the linear velocity
    of the particles of the body during the rotation.
    Clearly, the amount of stretching is proportional to the speed of rotation.
    The reason that the record does not fly apart then, is that the speed of
    rotation is not anywhere near high enough to overcome the forces holding the
    particles of the body together.  If you were spun fast enough, there would
    be some visible distension.  For example, the Earth bulges slightly at the
    equator because the linear velocity of the particles at that point is
    sufficient to make a measurable difference.  A heavy rock spun about fast
    enough on a string will break the string.  But the distension of a record is
    not enough to notice at ordinary speeds of revolution.
    I hope this isn't begging the question.

    Message: 68278
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 18:54:11

    Combined figures for disabled cars found during approximately 7000
    miles of vacation driving during 1988 and 1990.

    Manufacturer   Cars               Manufacturer    Cars
    ------------   ----               ------------    ----
    GM             367    46.9 %      BMW             4      .5 %
    Ford           153    19.6 %      Triumph         3      .4 %
    Chrysler       74      9.5 %      MG              2      .3 %
    Nissan         50      6.4 %      Saab            2      .3 %
    VW             35      4.5 %      Suzuki          2      .3 %
    Toyota         34      4.3 %      Hyundai         1      .1 %
    Honda          17      2.2 %      Jaguar          1      .1 %
    AMC            10      1.3 %      Mitsubishi      1      .1 %
    Volvo          10      1.3 %      Porshe          1      .1 %
    International  5        .6 %      Yugo            1      .1 %
    Mazda          5        .6 %                    -----   -------
    Subaru         4        .5 %       TOTAL         782     100 %

    Message: 68279
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 18:58:16

      In 68224/68225 Rod gave his assessment of religion. I agree with it, and
    wonder what others think of the characterization of God which must result
    from it?
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 68280
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi M.
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 19:03:41

      If you are using the ProComm which is available from the download section
    of this BBS, then you would save a message by hitting the 'page down' key,
    which would bring up a window asking you what kind of capture to do, you
    would reply with a '7' for ascii, and then it would ask for a filename to
    save the data under. When you were done capturing you could hit the escape
    key. If you are using an IBM compatible this program would work for you, and
    it also has a script language which would allow you to set it up for
    automatic login and message capture.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 68281
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Love
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 19:08:48

      Whether love exists or not, its function does take place. People form long
    term bonds which are called Love, among other things. If the supposed
    functions of God were as well fulfilled we could believe in God as easily as
    we do in Love. We don't fall in love by believing in Love, it happens. Next
    case.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 68282
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Prove Love
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 19:35:27

            Mike, you're great! I love it! Yeah, prove love, and I'll copy it
    down--also, try this: I am to love my fellow man, right, even the knothead
    who tried to rape my daughter until she remembered the jab in the eye her
    daddy taught her. I also love my wife, and for 34 years it has been a
    constant growing affair. On top of that, I am to love God with my whole
    heart, my whole mind, and all my soul, right? How much room does that leave
    for the knothead with sore eyes?

    Message: 68283
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Help
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 20:48:47

    Glad I could help you, let me know if you need more help.
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68284
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Love
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 20:59:20

    Well I would guess it would be hard to prove, but what else can you call the
    feeling that make you: lose your appitite, lose your inteligence, lost your
    cool, lose your judgement, won't let you listen to other people, make forget
    to eat your lunch, some people even stop breathing. well, if you can't call
    it love, you could call it stupidity, but that would be cruel to all the
    people that think their in love.
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68285
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/cars
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 21:48:24

    Now we need to get hold of the market share figures.

    Message: 68286
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff L./love
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 21:54:48

    What would I call the feeling that makes you lose your appetite,
    intelligence, calm, judgement, attention span, memory, etc.?  I might call
    it depression.

    Message: 68287
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill B.
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 22:00:40

    Actually, the bulge of the Earth isn't just on the equator.  The stretching
    effect takes place all over, though it is greatest at the equator and least
    at the poles.  That is why the Earth is not a sphere; it is an oblate
    spheroid.  That is, it is flattened at the poles and bulges with a curvature
    less than that of a true sphere, and this bulge increases toward the
    equator.  The reason the poles are flattened is the fact that the poles are
    at the axis of rotation, and consequently at the pole points themselves,
    there is no linear velocity.  The area around the pole points doesn't fall
    away as fast as it would on a true sphere, and so by contrast, the poles
    look flattened.  Of course, this is actually pretty slight.

    Message: 68288
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Joke
    Subject: My 'last' Job
    Date: 08/04/90  Time: 23:04:33

    It is too bad that I got fired from my last job.  I was sub-contract at
    Honeywell, I was an engineering programming aide.  I got escorted off the
    property by Honeywell security.  They said I was part of the German Chaos
    computer club.  They said that I left work with Magnetic reel tapes and
    source code listings.  I had a pretty good scam going.  Then I got caught.
    It wasn't a very smart thing to do.  My sister Iris, who also works at
    Honeywell, had a hard time believing what a traitor I am.  I hope people on
    this board will understand why I did this.

    Michael "I'm the NRA" Kielsky

    Message: 68289
    Author: Saddam Hussein
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Joke of the week
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:00:39

    Kuwait.

    Message: 68290
    Author: Saddam Hussein
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Streets/parking lots
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:08:06

    I have heard that this city needs more streets and parking lots.  We here in
    Baghdad have the tools necessary to enable this city to have the number of
    parking lots and streets that most Arab cities have.  Remember, the city of
    Beirut gets more new streets and parking lots before 9am than your city gets
    in one year.  I, on the behalf of my nation, resent the implication that we
    want to enter the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.  I do not want to enter it, I
    want to RULE it!  I want all the Gulf states under my thumb.  I am not the
    next Hitler; I would not have screwed up like Hitler did in World War II.
    Allah akbar!

    /signed/
    Saddam Hussein
    President,
    Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council
    Republic of Iraq

    Message: 68291
    Author: Saddam Hussein
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Beach-front property
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:12:31

    For Sale:  Small plot of land, on the northern end of the Arabian (you might
    say Persian) Gulf.  Included in the deal would be 1.9 million servants of
    various nationalities (including the former Kuwaiti nationality).
    Lots of petroleum.  Many houses and buildings.  Desert landscape, with
    beach-front properties available.  Also includes a few offshore islands and
    some of the Gulf as your very own.

    If you are interested, please forward all requests to:
    Saddam Hussein
    Baghdad, IRAQ

    Message: 68292
    Author: Saddam Hussein
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: New movie
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:15:25

    New movie that opened in the former Kuwait City on Thursday, and may open
    soon in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Oman, and your back yard...

     IRAQNAPHOBIA!

    For a good time, invade a neighboring country.  For a *REAL* good time, take
    that neighboring country's petroleum reserves.  For a GREAT time, use poison
    gas on the population.  While this is going on, the two titular
    'superpowers' can't do a thing to me!

    Saddam Hussein

    Message: 68294
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:25:06

    You could call it that to, but were do you tell the difference if the
    depression is because of love?
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68295
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cga
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 01:33:00

    Well I did it I went out and got myself CGA, and compared to my old
    mono(green) and slow it looks Great, and I can Finally see how fast my
    machine really is. God the world looks so much better in color!!!!!!
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68296
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: procomm
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 02:33:23

    I might wrong but I think I might have finally figured out how to save stuff
    with procomm...
    ...Jeff, you could always get a monitor like mine if you get nostalgic and
    miss the green mono...it offers both...of course I can't when the last time
    I used it in green...Yuck!

    Message: 68297
    Author: Red Dwarf
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Carpenter?
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 03:39:03

      No I'm not a carpenter, just a logical, good looking, peacful computer
    programmer and amateur astronomer.

    Message: 68298
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Roger/physics
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 04:36:40

    My mind is numb.  Too much reading.  Let me bounce this off of you, anyway.
    I'm probably not making sense, though.
    I have read that because F=MA, since mass does not change with location
    (i.e. from Earth to space) it would take the same amount of force to move
    any given object in space as it would to move that object on Earth.  This
    seems to me to be tremendously misleading.  Acceleration (and force) is a
    vector quantity.  While it must be true that F is the same for constant M
    and A, F represents, after all, the net force, which is to say the
    unbalanced force acting on a given object in a given direction.  If the
    forces were all balanced on an object, there would be no acceleration.
    Now, the net force would be the same on Earth as in space.  But the force
    required by YOU to be exerted in space is not the same as on Earth.
    For instance, if I put a thousand pound weight on a stand and try to lift it
    from underneath, I am required first to balance the opposing gravitational
    force, and second, to exert an additional force.  Say I wanted to move the
    weight up half a yard in one second.  First of all, gravity is exerting a
    downward force of 9.8 Newtons per kilogram which works out
    to about 4440 Newtons.
      But if I just deal with the mass (as in space), if M=453 Kg (1000
    lbs.) and A= 1 meter/sec^2, then to move it half a yard in one second
    would require just 453 Newtons of force.

    I'm very tired.  Straighten this one out, will you?
    All of this came up because I remembered NASA films of 1 finger push ups.

    Message: 68299
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Glans
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 05:45:24

     Who was it, Kipling, who once said that "East is east and west is west, and
    never the twain shall meet"?
     You look at religion as restrictive. I see it as liberating. You are
    restricted by the laws of this world. If I live what I believe, I don't
    concern myself with man-made laws. How can there be reasonable, rational
    discussion between such opposite poles of belief? You are as bound by your
    anti-religious views as you think I am by my faith.
     (Now don't twist my comments to say that I can violate the law of the land
    with immunity. That's not what I said at all. We both, hopefully, obey the
    law, although perhaps for different reasons. You for fear of punishment, me
    out of the respect for others born of love. Major difference there.)

    Message: 68300
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 05:47:21

    Heart beat faster, blood pressure go up, brain not functional?
    You're confusing love with lust, Annie.

    Message: 68301
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JB/Phono Records
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 07:33:42

            That doesn't beg the question; it just answers a different
    question.
            Take two points on a phonograph record (on a CD if you tend
    to be yuppie-ish), one point near the center and one point on the
    edge.  The record, and both points, are rotating at 33-1/3 rpm.
            The circle made by the point near the center is much, much
    smaller than the point at the edge.  Since both points complete
    their circles in the same amount of time, the point on the edge
    must be traveling faster than the point near the center.
            How can the record be a solid object when the various parts
    of it move at different speeds?

    Message: 68302
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: New ote anyone?
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 08:44:03

            Does anyone have a question they would like to have put in the
    ote cmd?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68303
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff B. on love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 09:24:06

    Yes, you are right - love is a state of mind. What is odd about it - it
    defies all reason(ing). I. E. people can love someone who beats them bloody
    or cheats on them constantly. I've read of women whoes husband's molested
    their children and still stuck by him. (This to me is insanity not love but
    .....?) You can love an animal, a friend, God, etc. all in a different way.
    You can't hold it in your hand or see it - but you know it's there - can
    feel it tremendously. It can over run your life - making you totally insane
    - without reasoning. You can love so strongly, you give your life over to
    someone else - even risking and losing your life to save another.
    I beleive that some animals - if not all are capable of love to a degree.
    Especially dogs. The old expression - "Love makes the world go round" is
    probably a very true one. Sometimes love is also distructive. I wonder if
    we'd all be better off without it??!! Naw! I love love!!! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 68304
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff B. on love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 09:28:27

    Re: "What would I call the feeling that makes you lose your appetite,
    intelligence, calm, judgement, attention span, memory, etc.? I might call it
    depression."
    It could also be called 'indigestion'! *Heh -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 68305
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 09:36:01

    Isn't lust part of the love thing? Surely you do not commit yourself to a
    life with another without it first happening do you? Of course, I'm talking
    humans here - not animals, etc. Ha ha. What I'm saying is - lust happens
    between two young people - after that, they may commit to a life together,
    but that's the start! See? It can happened at any age I guess. But lust is
    the one thing that does not continue for very long in a relationship. For
    that I am glad - would hate to live a life time with someone lusting after
    them all of the time. Would be bad on the housework and kids! *Heh

                                  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 68306
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: destructive love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 11:55:35

    Actually, some of the people I know(including myself) who have stuck through
    bad relationships or any of that other stuff are motivated by fear and
    insecurity than love...many people don't leave wife-beaters because they are
    afraid he will find them or that they don't have any options other than
    staying married to him(especially if they have kids and she doesn't have a
    very good job). Some have known no other life as adults, having married and
    started a family right after school, so for them, yelling and a few bruises
    is easier to deal with than the uncertainty of what might happen if they
    leave. Some people stay in relationships that are not violent or anything
    but that are going nowhere because they have been with that person so long
    that going back out on the singles scene is a frightening option or because
    fear of being lonely is stronger than the boredom(or other negative emotion)
    associated with their partner.
    But, I suppose a good number of them stick around because despite it all,
    the love their partner.

    Message: 68307
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JB/F=MA
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 13:45:31

    When acting to lift an object on the Earth, one must overcome the
    acceleration 'present' as a result of the earth's gravitational field.  If
    one were moving an object horizontally (ignoring friction), there would be
    no acceleration to overcome, just the inertia of the object itself.  This
    latter is (almost) the case in Earth orbit, where very little of the Earth's
    gravitational field is felt by non-massive objects.

    Oh, and when you talk about Mass and relativity, remember that it is Rest
    Mass that gets plugged into those equations.

    Message: 68308
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Backup
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 14:33:02

            Apollo was backed up today.  All 349 files.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- on the job!

    Message: 68310
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 15:28:51

    So then, I was right.

    When you point out that "it is rest mass that gets plugged into all those
    [relativity] equations," it implies that somewhere along the way I used
    measured mass rather than proper mass.  Please point this out to me so that
    I will not continue to labor under false assumptions.

    Message: 68311
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill/record
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 15:45:46

    Oh, now I see what you're asking.  Well, you're confusing angular speed with
    linear speed.  Angular speed is the speed of rotation.  Since the record is
    solid, every point on the record has the same angular speed of rotation.
    That is, if the angular speed is 33 1/3 rpm, then every point has that same
    angular speed. Angular speed is a measure of rotation per unit of time.
    That says nothing about the LENGTH of such a rotation, merely the amount of
    rotation (i.e. 360 degrees, etc.).  So the record rotates 33 1/3 times
    through 360 degrees in one minute.  Every point does that. Now, linear speed
    measures *distance*.  You will readily see that amount of rotation says
    nothing about distance.  As you pointed out, the distance travelled by
    points on the outer edge during a given amount of time is greater than that
    travelled by points closer toward the center during the same amount of time.
    Since linear speed is distance per unit of time, they have a greater linear
    speed. But the distance between the individual particles of the record has
    nothing to do with the distance travelled around a circle.  The distance
    between individual particles is constant, but the distance through which
    each particle rotates varies; though the *angle* through which they rotate
    remains the same. The important thing to remember is that in order for the
    particles to maintain a constant distance from each other, they must all
    have the same speed *in the direction of motion*.  If they are rotating,
    they must all have the same angular speed.  If they are travelling in a
    straight line, they must all have the same linear speed in that direction.

    Take an object which combines the two motions.  For example, say you have a
    ball which is rotating but also flying through the air.
    The particles all have the same angular velocity, that is, they all have the
    same angular speed in the direction of their rotation.  On the other hand,
    in the direction of rotation, they all have different linear velocities,
    since each particle travels, in the course of its rotation, through a
    different distance in the direction of rotation.
    But in the direction of linear motion, the direction along which the ball is
    flying, every particle must have the same linear velocity, that is, every
    particle of the ball covers the same distance in that direction in the same
    amount of time.

    Message: 68313
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Monitor
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 16:18:02

    The world looks totaly different in color,unless my CGA broke, I don't think
    I'd ever want to change back. Also after having used a Radio Shack DMP 100
    printer for so long, It's a whole new world with this citizen printer I
    bought. My computer feels like a different machine. I'm so happy, I can't
    describe it. Oh well
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68314
    Author: $ Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Love
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 16:28:44

    Yes that is so totally true, my ExWife went to live with an old boyfriend of
    hers, who beats the living heck out of her just about every day. She went as
    far as having two kids by this guy just to be with him, I'll NEVER
    understand that, especially since there is no such thing as a woman beater
    in our family. I'll Never understand why a woman would choose to stay with a
    man that beats her, and I'll never understand the reason why a man would
    hit, or have reason enough to hit a woman. I guess I'll never know, because
    I would never do it. I will also not stand around and watch a man beat up on
    a woman, if it's any of my buissness or not, I could just not help myself
    but to interfer. Call me fool if you want to, just some of the moral my
    father thaught me, You don't hit women, you don't hit kids ( he never did
    me), you obye the law, you stay honest if possiblel, you respect your
    elders,and yes mind your manners. Just you basics. Call me a fool again, but
    I'll teach those morals to my kids if I ever have any.
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
      M M A D   M M A X
        M M A D   M M A X

    Message: 68315
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: physics
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 18:04:38

    I have a problem with a definition.  Force is defined as that which causes
    mass to accelerate.  If there is no acceleration, there is no force.  An
    object at rest is not accelerating.  An object resting on the surface of the
    Earth is not accelerating.  Yet it exerts a downward force, and the Earth
    exerts an equal and opposite force against it.  One cannot say there is no
    force.  Perhaps it would be better to define force as that which would cause
    mass to accelerate if not balanced.  Agree?  Disagree? Why?

    Apparently, particles of matter do not actually touch each other.  If this
    is so, then I am not standing on the Earth; I am floating on a force field.
    I have never touched anything in my life, including other people's bodies,
    but only manipulated them through the use of non-material force-fields.
    Why is it that two particles never touch?  If an electron and a proton, each
    having equal and opposite charges are brought into proximity with one
    another, why don't they touch?  If this force of attraction increases as the
    distance between the particles decreases, in an exponential manner, then
    shouldn't the force of attraction approach infinity as they approach each
    other?  If they were to touch, wouldn't this massive attraction crush them
    both?

    Message: 68316
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: physics
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 19:51:22

    If every action coincides with an equal and opposite reaction, then one
    would expect an apple to attract the Earth with the same amount of force as
    the Earth attracts the apple.  The mass of the apple is much less, and so
    the acceleration would be much more.  Does this mean that a falling apple
    causes the Earth to accelerate toward it at some miniscule rate?

    Does this mean that if two objects of equal mass were at a distance from
    each other, at rest relative to one another, barring other influences, they
    would meet at a point midway between them?  How does this affect the motions
    of the heavenly bodies?

    Message: 68318
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: prior
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 20:51:05

    Ok, who let this idiot on the board?

    Message: 68319
    Author: Robert Waiter
    Category: Religion
    Subject: My thoughts
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 22:28:59

        It seems to me as a Christian who has studied the Bible for a
     number of years, that the only way to truly learn of what,where,how
     and when hell will be is to get the information from the Bible
     itself. From my studies,I learned that hell is more of a time
     than a place. We are all God's children, he made us all. He
     loves us as anyone would love his or her children. God made
     us with free will. We can choose whether or not to follow God.
     We can know who God is and what he stands for by his word
     The Bible. In the Bible God speaks of love,happiness,and
     righteousness and how to obtain it. The Bible also shows us what
     happens when we fall away from God's word. This leads us to sin.
     Sin is the transgression of the law of God. God tells us that the
     wages of sin is death. This can not be a physical death for we all
     will die a physical death but a spiritual death. A death of the soul;
     in such,that the soul no longer exists.

       So what is hell? Hell is the time when all that are judged by God
     to be of a evil nature will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. A fire
     that will totally destroy the souls of these evil people for the
     eternity. This will be hard for God to do because these people are
     still his children and he still loves them.

     But this has to be done because how can paradise be Heaven
    with these people still around causing trouble. And if hell
    was a place where God threw evil people then how can those
    in Heaven truly be happy knowing that someone they know will
    suffer in fire forever. A truly loving God would not let this
    happen. On Judgment Day all evil will be cast into the Lake
    of Fire, when all evil is destroyed, hell is over.

    Message: 68321
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: The Bible
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 22:49:03

    No, Robert, there are many "holy" books but only one is the word of God.
    The one true God is Niterc, and thus the one true holy book.  This book is
    called the Dunciad: it is the result of men writing under the direct
    inspiration of the Holy Spirit (part of the thrice-great Niterc).  The
    Dunciad tells us that all other holy books are written by false prophets,
    and all of them are influenced by false gods, which is to say, Suineg, the
    archfoe of Niterc, a fallen angel.  Your bible is nothing more than a lie
    from the mouth of Suineg; sorry to dissapoint you.

    Message: 68322
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Centrifugal force
    Date: 08/05/90  Time: 22:55:44

    Now wait a minute...there isn't any such thing as centrifugal force.

    As I understand it, there is a centripetal force, that which causes a body
    to move on a circular path, for example a rock sitting on the surface of the
    Earth; the centripetal force is gravity.
    According to Newton's third law, this force must be balanced by an equal and
    opposite force.
    But the inertial direction of the rock is tangential to the centripetal
    force; if the force were to disappear, it would fly off at a right angle to
    that centripetal force, not in a radially outward direction.

    So does this mean that Newton's third law is false?

    And if there is no centrifugal force (it certainly is fictitious) then what
    causes the Earth to bulge outward proportional to its linear speed at that
    point, but at a right angle; the angle of the non-existant centrifugal
    force?

    Message: 68324
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 00:17:41

            Users.... PLEASE ZAP old mail after reading it.   You don't leave
    old mail in your mailbox at home...so don't do it here!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68325
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Nitrec/worship
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 00:57:49

    How much does it cost?

    Message: 68326
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Saddam Hussein
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 01:00:00

    You should give us a price break because our taxes paid for the weapons you
    used to invade Kuwait with.

    I'm looking for something like a 6 bedroom, 3 bath with spa on the
    beachfront.  Can you help?

    Message: 68327
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: John/answer
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 01:01:19

    Yes, John, I read your long dissertation and I understand what you are
    saying.  Teaching a child that it would be dangerous to play on a freeway
    is good common sense.  Everyone knows that freeways exist and are
    dangerous.  It is also a fact that many thousands of people have met their
    death on one.

    But to teach a child something that has no basis in scientific thought is
    lying to a child in order to achieve something.  What it does accomplish is
    to warp the mind of the child.

    The scientific minded person will tell the brainwashed child that there has
    never been any proof of the existence of a hell, nor that humans were
    created by a superior being.

    Of course if there were any scientific proof then things would be
    different.  But there isn't.

    For argument sake let us assume that the existence of a creator had been
    proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  Therefore it would be apparent that each
    human had a very intelligent father who watched over us.  We would all be
    brother and sister regardless of race, all with the same father.

    If this father existed and if it were intelligent do you think that it
    would punish anything that it ever created, even for one minute, let alone
    forever?  A creator of anything would most certainally have to be an evil
    demon in order to do that.  Or even to set separate a creation, away from
    its creator for eternity or even a thousand earth years would be cruel and
    unusual punishment, child abuse no less.  (Because as the theory goes we
    all are children of the creator.)

    The only conclusion that I can come up with as to why an adult would tell a
    child that something very horrible can happen after physical death is that
    the adult has themselves been brainwashed or that the adult is suffering
    from mental illness due to one reason or another.  It is no wonder the
    majority of humans are afraid of physical death.  Many people start
    freaking out as they draw nearer to what they feel will be their last years
    and in many instances all because of some scare story they were told as a
    child.

    But there is no scientific proof that a creator or hell exists.  Nothing
    even close to proving that either is real exists.  And scientists are the
    best minds in the world having been tortured and put to death by the
    religious community for their views.

    And we are all fortunate that no proof exists because if it were true that
    there was supreme punishment then we'd all be in trouble.

    For instance, if I were saintly and went to eternal paradise with my father
    when I died but others weren't so lucky then I doubt if I could really
    enjoy myself just knowing that someone who once had feelings of pain and
    happiness, someone who loved their child or someone who was abused from day
    one by their parents could be suffering for eternity at the hands of that
    which made them.  I would feel mighty uncomfortable and would be on
    constant guard to not screw up and let this madman find out about it.

    And finally it would be like me living and being treated like a king all
    my life with everything I desired being provided to me but knowing there
    were people without basic shelter or enough food, people in tatters who
    loved their offspring as much as I, living in the same world.  I just could
    not find REAL happiness until all were happy.  This message points out just
    a few of the things which are wrong with the current hell theory that the
    ignorant human animal promotes.         -Rod

    Message: 68330
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 08/06/90  Time: 01:04:56

    Thank you.