### Apollo BBS Archive - October 1, 1988

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    Message: 4331
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Travis SYSOP/CARS
    Date: 09/26/88  Time: 22:26:31

    I will!!   I have a Boomerang.  It is 4WD and I bet it blow the Tires off
    your truck...   Oh Yeah, It is STOCK!

    Name the time and place!

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    Message: 4332
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Travis/race
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 07:48:47

    Yeah - I'll race you with my Corvette. My car will go from 0 to 50 miles per
    hour in 6 seconds. How about yours? Bye =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4333
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 16:43:43

    I already provided statistics disproving your father-in-law's speculation,
    and you yourself said they were merely speculation and apparently not based
    on any information at all, so you might as well just shut up.

    Message: 4334
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Head
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 16:44:10

    I had some line noise problems while entering that message.

    Message: 4335
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Race
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 13:23:45

    Mine will go from 0 to 50 in 3 seconds...  THAT IS REAL MPH and *NOT* SCALE!
    Plus, my car will pull more G's than yours.... HHHEEHEEE   Wanna race for
    pink slips?

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    Message: 4336
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Chris/last
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 06:36:07

    What's 'pink slips'? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4337
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 09:19:19

    Women wear them under dresses.

    Message: 4338
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Pink Slips
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 15:34:12

    Its a 60's term meaning title....  Another words, Whoever wins gets the
    other persons car!  (heheheee)

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    Message: 4339
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 19:16:08

            How old did you say you were?
    A 60's term, heh?

    Message: 4340
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Pink Slips
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 22:32:39

    Sorry, Chris. I think you misunderstand 'pink slip'.  This is what one
    find's on one's desk upon arriving at work on your _surprise!_ last day.

    Message: 4341
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: pink slips!
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 15:05:15

    I will not race for pink slips!

    Message: 4342
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: SANDY SYSOP
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 21:39:16

    19 on the 4th of October, Why?

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    Message: 4343
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: B Dog
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 21:39:49

    It also means 'Title to car'

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    Message: 4344
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Pink Slips
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 21:40:38

    I don't blame you!

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    Message: 4345
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: I'll race
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 04:32:48

    I'll race that little piece of junk for pinks, as long as the winner is
    determined by maximum speed, not zero to fifty or sixty.

    Message: 4346
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 08:53:30

    Whatsa matter fellah - your car has no 'get up and go'? Ta, ta. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4347
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Paul/Rod
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 14:08:44

    That was a cheap shot concerning Rod's kids, Paul.  Most of them have NEVER
    been arrested.

    Message: 4348
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick/Pinks
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 17:35:27

    Have you got a Pontiac or something like a Gutless Cierra?

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    Only 3 days until my birthday...

    Message: 4350
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: My B-day/What I want
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 17:47:08

    I would like a remote control truck from Cliff...
    I would like a New convertable Corvette from Ann...
    I would like a little brother from Sandy...
    I would like J.T. to be nice to everyone for a whole YEAR, from J.T.
    I would like a NEW Blax - 80 10,000th caller shirt from Todd...
    I would like a nice B-day card from Pat...
    I would like my mail on time from Paul...
    I would like a lock pick set from Rod...
    I would like a record from Daryl...
    Anyone not on the list can get whatever they want....

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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    Just kidding folks!

    Message: 4351
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 18:02:11

            How about a day in the PHAntom Zone?

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 4352
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last.........
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 20:51:42

    Well, if I can't have the truck, I guess that would be o.k.!

    HAHAAAA
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    Message: 4353
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Phono Needles
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 23:09:15

    I have a PE record player that is about 12 years old....  It has all the
    neet features that some new ones today don't have...  The problem is, now
    that it is old the needle that rides on the album is so 'saggy' that it
    alows the whole needle assembly to hit the album...OFTEN!....  What I need
    to know is where do I get the little plastic piece that has the needle in it
    that slides diagonally up into the part that has all the wires plugged into
    the back of it....    I just pulled it out to fix it about an hour ago, so
    all the stores are closed by now...  Is this a common part or am I going to
    have trouble finding it???

    Thanx,
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     1:        You're father's mustache.
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    Message: 1020
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 01:24:55

            Make up your mind, woman .....
    Are you going to doodle or write?

    Message: 1021
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 06:22:09

    Or do you mean diddle?

    Message: 1022
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: But Sandy ...
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 07:52:25

    The big sysop - you know, the one that's suppose to be running this show -
    has not given his nod to our Kontest! If I start doodling or diddling
    without  asking him - he might not give us our prizes when we win! He will
    give us prizes won't he? I'm still in a snit that I did not win that cute
    computer clock that Mike won last year and am hoping to go for it again!
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1023
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 14:29:37

    I bet Cliff isn't even in town.  I bet he's off on vacation somewhere.  To
    test this hypothesis I have devised an experiment.  If Cliff reacts, he's
    here.  If not, he's gone.

            CLIFF IS A PILE OF CRAP

    Message: 1024
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 22:29:05

    He's in town...

    Message: 1025
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak/last
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 06:37:10

    Yeah - he's in town and boy are you gonna get it!

    Message: 1026
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last two
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 22:33:28

    What makes you think that he was in town? You don't believe that he has a
    phone?

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    Message: 2051
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: last two
    Date: 09/26/88  Time: 19:30:22

            I thought I was on the ART SIG........sorry.  Make that $10. for the
    ART SIG.  Gee, how confusing.

    Message: 2052
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 01:36:12

            Your credibility is slipping!

    Message: 2053
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 06:25:09

    Rod what have you been drinking, because you don't know where you are at?
                                         Ralph

    Message: 2054
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: More Lawyers......
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 09:17:11

       Did you hear that they've stopped doing medical experiments with rats?
    They're using lawyers insted.......

       1)  There are more lawyers than rats.
       2)  People get attached to rats.
       3)  There's just some things that a rat won't do!

    (LL)oyd Pulley

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     1:        Yeah, I know.  I am on some filthy little planet with a bunch of
     2:dirtballs.  How'd I get here?  My dad an mom got horny.
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    Message: 1561
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Am I it?
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 23:20:59

    Is everybody else always asleep at this hour?  I was up doing homework for
    French class and avoiding everything else I need to be doing. Tomorrow will
    be another long, busy day.

    Message: 1562
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: . . .
    Date: 09/24/88  Time: 23:01:53

    Alright about the french already!

    Although I could do with a kiss. . .    Well, at least I have a
    house.  In a few days.

    Dean

    Message: 1563
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Last?
    Date: 09/25/88  Time: 02:57:31

            I also have a house...  Having a Kiss is better however...  Or
    should I say having someone to Kiss is better.  Hmmmmm

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 1564
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Not French!
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 00:20:20

    Tonight I was avoiding doing French homework by talking about (and bettering
    my) Esperanto.

    Message: 1565
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 00:21:52

    Get a job.

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     1:        What kind of job do you have in mind?
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    Message: 54317
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Stealth
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 00:16:18

    Yes, I recently heard something, but don't remember/didn't hear specifics. I
    believe that lawsuits have been filed.

    Message: 54318
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: stealth disease
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 05:29:36

    Apparently, it's due to hazardous chemicals that the plant workers are
    using. Because of the sensitive nature of the project, they are not allowed
    to disclose the names of the chemicals they are working with.

    Message: 54319
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Horsefeathers!
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 07:24:40

    Bush is the change of what? - from boring to hum drum? From moralist to
    fanatic? A change of socks is more exciting! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54320
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Cliff/penalty
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 07:44:32

    I hate the death penality and I hate abortion, but they are two different
    issues. I have already, no too long ago stated my thoughts on abortion and
    do not want to start that up again. It is not a subject that seems to be
    discussed rationally.
    Re: the death penality - Cliff - what you said does not have to be. I do not
    believe that a person that commits murder of the first degree ought to sit
    in prison and watch color TV and play pool! He/she ought to spend their
    entire life mostly in solitude and work - with no hope of parole! The joke
    we have for a law and the death penalty needs to be changed. Just a small
    handful of murderers go to their deaths and the tax payers are keeping the
    rest. So what good does it do to have the death penalty if that's the way
    it's going to be? Also - this nonsense about cop killers and drug related
    killings getting the death penalty is stupid. Why is one murder worse than
    another?
    But the bottom line - I don't believe that we, as a state or nation have a
    right to put anyone to death! I don't believe that the person that pulls the
    switch - or drops the pellets - or gives the injection should be put in that
    position because it's their job! Yes - the murders have to be taken out of
    society - but they do not have to be put to death. I feel no one has a right
    to do it - judge on another's life. It puts them in the same category as the
    murderer! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54321
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Benson today
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 08:01:42

    I thought his cartoon this morning was perfect. It showed Bush and Ducaca
    walking out of a boxing ring - both claiming victory with their hands raised
    above their heads and silly grins on their face and the referee was laying
    on the mat knocked out and beat up - on his T-shirt it said 'Voters'!

    Message: 54322
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Death Penalty
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 11:18:29

            If the Death Penalty was used MORE than it is today, I bet there
    would be less major crime.  I do not see how getting sent to prison is such
    a big deterrent.
            Example:
            I am a small time criminal...  I hold up a person at gun-point and
    take all his money.  Now, if I let him go he MAY be able to identify me.  By
    letting him go I am MORE likely going to be apprehended, but at least I
    won't be put to death.

            Now in Ann's law:
            I am a small time criminal...  I hold up a person at gun-point and
    take all his money.  Now, if I let him go he MAY be able to identify me. So,
    I blow the sucker away, because I am less likely to be caught and identified
    and if I am, I will not be put to death...thanks to the bleeding heart
    Liberals!

            End result...since I hold up a person once a week for drug money, I
    will have killed many people before I am caught... and now that I am caught,
    so what... kill one or twenty... I will be alive and taken care of, free
    medical etc....

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54323
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin the muddlehead
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 16:41:00

    Regarding the election:  As I said before, we are choosing a leader, not a
    sex object.  That you are disillusioned with the candidates because they
    fail to "excite" you testifies only to your own vapidity.  My only
    complaint about the candidates is that both their campaigns seem to operate
    under the premise that the American people are stupid and respond to
    simplistic formulations rather than consistent principles.  They are trying
    to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and they cannot even do that,
    for you, Ann, are the lowest common denominator and even you are
    unimpressed.

    Regarding the death penalty and abortion:  Your stand on the death penalty
    is overly simplistic at best.  Surely you cannot claim that putting someone
    to death as punishment for a crime of which he is convicted with due process
    of law is the equivalent of summarily and brutally murdering an innocent
    person.  If this were the case, imprisoning a convicted criminal would be
    the equivalent of kidnapping, yet you seem to approve of prison terms for
    criminals and (I would hope) disapprove of kidnapping.

    Your view on the death penalty also is inconsistent with your support for
    abortion.  If no one has a right to "judge on [sic] another's life," then
    surely a woman does not have the right to kill her unborn child, unless it
    can be established conclusively that that child is not yet a person (and it
    assuredly has not been so demonstrated.)

    Message: 54324
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro Poet
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 16:41:54

    Does whatever it is you're plagiarizing mention that the Christic Institute
    lawsuit was dismissed by the judge in the case, and that the Christic
    Institute is now the subject of several lawsuits for malicious prosecution?

    Message: 54325
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Project Censored
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 17:37:33

    Secret documents reveal danger of nuclear accidents

      Last March 11, NBC broadcast a documentary called
    "Nuclear Power: In France It Works," which could have passed
    for a lengthy nuclear power commercial.  Missing from
    anchorman Tom Brokaw's introduction was the fact that NBC's
    owner, General Electric, is America's second largest
    nuclear power company and third largest producer of nuclear
    weapons systems.
      One month after the documentary, accidents occurred at two
    French nuclear installations, injuring seven workers.  *The
    Christian Science Monitor* wrote of a "potentially explosive
    debate" in France, with new polls showing a third of the
    French public opposing nuclear power.  That story was not
    reported on NBC news.  The NBC policy that produced the
    pro-nuclear power documentary while censoring the news about
    two nuclear accidents is typical of the international
    silence about nuclear incidents, which bolsters the
    industry's undeserved reputation for safety.
      Nuclear safety did come under fire last year, however,
    when the mainstream West German weekly *Der Spiegel*
    published 48 of the more than 250 secret nuclear reactor
    accident reports compiled by the International Atomic Energy
    Agency.  These previously secret documents were published in
    English for the first time in *Earth Island Journal*.
      Some of the underreported incidents: February 1983 -
    Bulgaria's Kozluduj nuclear power plant lost pressure in the
    primary cooling system; June 1983 - three of four pumps fail
    in Argentina's Embalse nuclear plant; August 1984 - the
    primary cooling system in West Germany's Bruno Leuschner
    plant in Greifswald burst; January 1985 - at Pakistan's
    Kanupp reactor, radioactive heavy water leaks while being
    transferred through a rubber hose; April 1985 - radioactive
    water and sludge swamp two rooms of an auxiliary building at
    Belgium's Tihange reactor.
      In several of these previously unreported nuclear slipups,
    "a meltdown was a real possibility," noted *Der Spiegel*.
      A survey of official records since the Three Mile Island
    reactor meltdown in 1979 shows there have been more than
    23,000 mishaps at U.S. reactors - and the number is
    increasing.  In 1986, there were more than 3,000 reported
    incidents - up 24 percent since 1984.  *Der Spiegel*'s
    chilling conclusion: "Humanity has been sitting on a
    powderkeg as a result of reliance on the 'peaceful' use of
    the atom."

    Message: 54327
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: censored  stories
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 20:25:27

    It's been nearly 10 years since the TMI incident (which was not, in the
    technical sense of the term, a "meltdown"), and there have still been no
    reports of any excess cancer deaths in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.  Which
    leads me to believe that the statistics don't show any (because if they did,
    you can bet the media would be creating a stir over it).

    Message: 54328
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Death Penalty
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 01:19:17

    This is aimed at JT mostly but if anyone else knows anything about it, have
    at it!

    Are there any statistics on record concerning the ratio of murders during
    the period when the death penalty was in effect compared to today's
    murder/ratio?

    Of course population and all that would have to be taken into consideration,
    but I think it would be an extremely interesting report, much like the
    statistics concerning highway deaths at 65mph vs 55mph.

    I think the death penalty WOULD be a great deterrent except the courts, no
    doubt, would come up with less guilty verdicts than they do today (if that
    is possible.)

    Carol->

    Message: 54329
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dukakatitis
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 01:24:24

    ANN!   WHERE are your values?   Ha ha....I thought he was a class/one/dope!
           The robot with the Mona Lisa mouth and the canned/talk. He was the
    little one with all the poison-tipped darts spewing from his mouth!  The
    taller one was Bush!

    I liked Bush more than ever after discovering he has a real sense of
    humor...I also agree with most of his policies, except for dropping the
    missle systems which have already been dropped...that was a real gaff, as
    far as I'm concerned...but, then, he has been running around here and there
    and could have missed some minor details like that while he was gone.

    Anyways, isn't it neat to disagree?

    Carol->

    Message: 54330
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/the penality!
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 05:23:31

    Since when is it being a 'Bleeding Heart Liberal' to want to put some one
    away in prison for life  with out parole? That doesn't sound like a 'nice'
    way to spend one's life! Besides, as I pointed out - we have the death
    penality now and it's hardly enforced.. Whats the point of having it then?
    We are at the point of being more cruel than the murderers letting people
    have trial after trial - waiting for years in prison and then putting them
    to death. All this cost more than keeping him in prison for life. The death
    penality never deterred anyone - ESPECIALLY drug users! I also fault your
    examples because I don't believe even the hardest core criminals will just
    murder for nothing. A few, yes, but hardly all.
    If we are going to have the death penality - then lets do it no more than a
    month after said person was found guilty and lets use the injection method
    and not the electric chair, gas chamber or hanging. These methods must have
    been designed by satan himself. I would still not agree with it - but it
    beats the heck out of what we have now. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54331
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT the Mouth!
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 05:39:17

    Man, I'm really BAD to want one of the candidates to excite me - to excite
    and stir the hope in me that this country will be better under their term!
    How awful of me to want a president that I have faith in and feel secure
    because he is at the helm! God forbid that I should want one that I will
    love and respect! I should get twenty lashes for not being able to see the
    value in those two - one has a plastic, moralistic smile and the other looks
    to be ready to fall asleep! How terriable of me not to see how precise they
    are on their platforms and to know just how they are going to make this
    country better by being in the oval office. One stammers and the other
    mouths words like Howdy Doody, so it's hard to hear what they have to say.
    When one of them are finally choosen, this country will have broke it's
    record of voting for the lesser of two evils! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54332
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jt/abortion
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 05:59:09

    This whole abortion thing is ridiculious! Bush says he won't punish the
    women that do it but will punish the people that preform them! That's like
    saying 'lets get the prostitute but don't punish the John'! Lets have an
    example here - They make abortion illegal - a woman get preg. and she
    doesn't want it. If she has money, she will get one regardless of the law!
    Where does she go then? She would have choices of finding a person that
    would do it in some sleezy joint, both looking over their shoulder for the
    law - or she could go to Mexico to some sleezy joint - or could do it
    herself and risk killing herself! If she's poor, then forget the above
    because she'll just have to have it and it will probably be thrown in a
    dumpster after it is born or be raised as an unwanted child, probably with
    several unwanted brothers and sisters.
    You seem to not be able to understand that women have been doing this for
    centuries and will continue to do so. That fact cannot be denied! I think
    this is up to the women and not the men for one thing. A man could never
    understand having to go through a pregnancy they don't want. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54333
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Death Penalty
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 07:00:29

    Line them all up in front of a brick wall and shoot them!!!!!!
                                 The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 54334
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann...
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 09:39:12

            Now you are being SILLY... of course harsh and stern punishments
    and the threat of them have prevented crime.  This has been proven.
    But here in this country we have so many bleeding heart librals crying foul
    that is slows down the process.  I mean you have people like Dakakass that
    even release them out into public life, and you say you can't see any
    diffearance between him and Bush.  Not only does Dakakass want to release
    all the criminal population, he also wants to UN-ARM American citizens so we
    can't defend ourselves.
            For my morals, there is no other choice but BUSH!
    The only people voting for the other guy, will be the bleeding heart librals
    and people who hate Republicans so much, they are BLIND to the real facts.
            What category do you fall in Ann?

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54336
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 16:49:11

    I'll take them off your hands if you'll pay to have them shipped to
    Washington.

    Message: 54337
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 16:53:00

    On the election:  Sure, it is difficult to imagine things being appreciably
    better under either Dukakis or Bush than they are now.  Of course, things
    are quite good now, and it is difficult to imagine that any candidate for
    President could be much better than Reagan.  However, under a Bush
    administration things would certainly not get much worse on the whole,
    whereas under a Dukakis administration this country would come close to
    collapse.  So it is hardly legitimate to act as if both candidates are just
    awful, merely because neither is as good as what we have now.

    On abortion:  I agree, Bush's stand on the subject is flawed.  Certainly
    there should be criminal penalties for women who have abortions; one might
    argue that a women who procures an abortion is not actually carrying out the
    killing herself and thus is not guilty of homicide, but she is at least
    guilty of conspiracy.  Bush's stand makes political sense, but it makes no
    intellectual sense.  On the other hand, it would be a step in the right
    direction.  As for your other arguments, they make even less sense than
    Bush's position.  Women have been having abortions for centuries -- so what?
    Men have been raping women for centuries as well, but that is no argument
    for legalizing rape.  Women might procure illegal abortions -- so what?
    It is illegal to hire a hit man to kill your enemies, yet people do it, but
    that is no argument for legalizing murder-for-hire.  By far the silliest
    argument, though, is that only women are qualified to hold an opinion on the
    subject, because men cannot understand what it's like to be pregnant.  If
    this is true, then only men can have an opinion about rape, because only
    men can understand what it's like to rape a woman.  This is not to discount
    the fact that women who have been pregnant have an insight into the subject
    that men and women who have never been pregnant lack.  But I base my opinion
    on abortion in large part on the fact that mothers (including my own) have
    told me that when they are pregnant, they feel they do indeed have a
    separate person inside their bodies.

    You still have not reconciled your pro-abortion stance with your statement
    that no one has a right to "judge on [sic] another's life."

    Message: 54339
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Project Censored
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 17:52:04

    The government's mania for secrecy
      President Ronald Reagan nicknamed 1987 "The Year of the
    Reader," but throughout 1987 the Reagan administration
    outdid itself in its efforts to control, interpret,
    manipulate, disinform, and censor all forms of information.
      Typical of the Reagan administration's efforts to control
    its own destiny and the nation's history was the Justice
    Department memorandum that could enable Reagan to control
    the history of his involvement in the Iran-contra scandal.
    The administration is seeking to overturn a 1986 federal
    court ruling that limited Nixon's right to block the release
    of his White House papers.  The Justice Department
    memorandum, filed in a lawsuit, would allow Nixon to
    withdraw any documentation he thought should be suppressed.
    In effect, this would put Nixon in control of U.S. history
    between 1968 and 1974.  If Nixon wins, it will pave the way
    for Reagan to determine official U.S. history from 1980 to
    1988.
      While alarming, this is only one small example of Reagan's
    mania for secrecy.  Following are the reports of three groups
    that tried to warn us about what was happening.
    - *People for the American Way*.  This group's report
    provided more than 100 pages of well-documented charges
    concerning the growing trend toward secrecy in government
    and its threat to American democracy.  It "tells the story
    of the institutionalization of secrecy throughout the
    federal government ... the story of unprecedented controls
    on information, not only on defense and foreign policy
    issues where legitimate secrets do need to be protected, but
    on a host of topics vital to our daily lives, from toxic
    wastes to occupational hazards, from new technology to the
    health of our children."
    - *The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press*.  This
    group issued an alert about how the Reagan administration
    and its supporters restrict public access to government
    information.  The 50-page report lists 135 specific actions
    that have occurred since 1981, including threatened
    prosecution of the press for publishing classified
    information; expulsion of foreign journalists; proposed
    amendments to weaken the Freedom of Information Act; and the
    use of lie detectors.
    - *The American Library Association*.  The latest edition of
    the association's annual report on censorship provides a
    damning indictment of Reagan administration efforts to
    "restrict and privatize government information" such as
    public documents and statistics.  The 1987 report adds 78
    items to the case for Reagan's secrecy mania.

    Message: 54341
    Author: Spookie Wall
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: CRYSTAL BALL BBS
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 20:55:02

    CALL THE CRYSTAL BALL BBS
    300-1200 BAUD 24HRS 7 DAYS
    991-1030 OR SWITCHBAUD CRY...
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    SPOOKIE

    Message: 54342
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 54338
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 21:18:45

    Basing an opinion about abortion on what mothers *feel* is the case is a
    pretty lame basis.  People *feel* a lot of things are the case that are not.
    I believe that this is one of them.

    Message: 54343
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tucson
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 21:19:28

    Anybody know any numbers for Tucson BBSes?
    Anybody over 21 want a ticket to the fIREHOSE show in Tucson tomorrow night
    ($6)?

    Message: 54344
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Get this...
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 22:25:40

    I had a phone conversation with a (person) who wants to get ahold of
    another party (requires certain info) because this (person) thinks
    very seriously that the country is in dire straits.
    Why?
    Because this (person) is convinced [ interjecting credibility profile ]
    that * WHEN * BUSH gets elected, he will be assasinated , leaving
    QUAIL (heh heh) as president. Well, said (person) strongly believes
    [almost frantic] that this would leave the United States wide open for
    take-over in the long run [ couple years ] and in the short run a serious
    break-down in government. This (person) wants me to help "SAVE THE COUNTRY"
    by supplying said info.

    Not that I'm against wealthy people being a little eccentric, but this
    one takes the cake, the tin it was baked in and the oven.

    ...and I could have sworn California was still 360 miles from here...

    Message: 54345
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 01:19:24

    California is NOT 360 miles away.

    Message: 54346
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Politics
    Subject: a chance meeting
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 05:20:07

     Driving home yesterday I saw a man stsnding on W. Olive Ave. at 43rd Ave.
    He was holding a large, hand-printed sign that let anyone driving by know
    that he would work for food.
     This is one of the many whom Ronald Reagan and Co. refuse to admit exists
    in his oh so perfect and strong eonomy.
     This is what 8 years of Reaganomics has brought us to.
     I don't think the country can stand 4 more years of the same.
     While I don't think too much of Dukakis, I think I will cast a vote against
    George Bush.

    Message: 54347
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/last
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 06:34:55

    Why is it that a Republican has been in office for the last eight years and
    all that Bush says he's going to do has not came about already? Do you think
    he has the power Reagan has? Why hasn't the death penality been enforced?
    Why is abortion legal? You could be right about this country going down hill
    if Ducaca is elected - but that has happened before with both the
    republicans and the democrates - yet this country has flourished under
    both also!
    RE: the death penality and abortion - I'll just repeat what I said before -
    "I don't believe a fetus is a human until it's born and has a chance to stay
    alive - and I believe that to enforce the death penality is taking someone's
    life!" The abortion issue needs changing from what it is now. A fetus should
    not be aborted at a stage where it can live at all or has a chance of
    surviving!
    Your example of women having the only choice vs men raping women etc. is
    ridicious to say the least and have nothing to do with each other.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54348
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/my category
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 07:38:10

    Which category do I fall in? None of the ones you mentioned. I do not hate
    the republicans nor am I a bleeding heart liberal! I simply love life and
    feel no one has a right to take another's! Even though I am for legal
    abortion does not mean I would do it myself! I feel it is something one must
    choose for themselves. Since that is a special issue - I can see no clear
    cut answer to it. I can see where the 'Right to Lifer's' are coming from,
    but I also can see where the people that uphold abortion are coming from
    too. If it is recinded, then half the population of women will be criminals
    because they will continue to do it. These are facts Cliff. What do you
    purpose we do about it? Just make it illegal and punish the women?
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54349
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Death
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 09:36:06

    Shoot them down like wild dogs. Put them in front a brick wall and
    Bang,BANG.
                       The Old Fart Ralph

    Message: 54350
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Poor Paul Savage
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 10:46:07

            You are so easy to dupe!  The "Will Work for Food" has been proven
    in most part to be a SCAM!   And there have been BUMS on the streets for
    years and years...  way before Reagan and even before Carter.
            Did you know that the lower educated people generaly will vote
    Democratic...  Because they believe the Democratic controlled government can
    pull all this FREE money out of their hats.
            If you Vote for Dakakass Paul, Then I am assuming you are for the
    unarming of American citizens, for higher taxes for all, for free handouts
    to anyone to lazy to work, and for paid by taxes baby killing!

            Ann, Some times abortions are needed....  but in todays world you do
    not need a reason, just "PLAY" around, get pregnant, and have it swept away.
    Why, no morals.... no education.  What happened to good old values?
            Where did you get the FACTs that one half the women of America get
    abortions?  I hardly think so.  But if it endangers their health, or it was
    a forced RAPE...  then it should be done, but right away, and not when the
    baby is almost due.

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54351
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Politics
    Subject: PRESIDENT PT.1
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 11:50:12

         After eight years of having the hybrid Grandpa/Newscaster telling us
    everything is o.k., even when it wasn't -  the question is "to whom can we
    turn for our security now?"
         Ann complained that both candidates are boring, neither has vision.
    Does America want vision?  I don't think a Bruce Babbitt, or a Pete DuPont,
    two men with very concrete ideas of what America needs, could be elected.
    America is scared.  America doesn't want to take chances.  Why else did the
    two blandest, least outspoken, most palatable candidates emerge as the
    "winners"?
         How long can this streak of good luck continue?  While economically I
    think we're better off, its already apparent we are slipping in social
    matters.  The laughable "war" on drugs (lipservice to drugs would be a
    better term), and growing number of homeless are examples.  And there aren't
    any easy answers - more money in either case isn't going to make the problem
    go away.  Both candidates seem to have easy answers - it plays better on TV,
    I guess - but when it all hits the fan, I don't exactly feel safe having
    either candidate there to pick up the pieces.
         It's too bad we seem to be a "quick fix" nation these days.  And maybe
    our shallow candidates are a symptom of this, I don't know.  But, when they
    would rather debate each others' war record and/or membership in various
    organizations, rather than what is good for America.... Something is wrong.
    I really wonder if I'll be better off in four years... especially if there
    is a major political/social/economic crisis in the interim - what with the
    way both candidates are already sidestepping minor personal & political
    flareups, I'd hate to think of the damage to be done (by nothing being done)
    if something major does come along....
         The only good thing I see coming out of this election, regardless of
    who wins, is maybe... just MAYBE Americans will get fed up enough to demand
    some major changes, maybe the people will demand some action be taken - or
    else they'll take action themselves.... Otherwise, I only see things getting
    worse in the next four years, and beyond.

    (that's my two cents worth...)

    Message: 54353
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: last/change
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 14:02:37

            Yes, I want change...let's get rid of the IRS and Federal Reserve.
    Let's go back to the original Constitution.  Let's get rid of ALL these
    welfare programs...if the bums don't want to work, let them die!

    But is the above practical with out 100% support... Nope!
    Hence, we have Bush, and Dekakass  Neither of them perfect, but going back
    to Jimmy Carter progams and heavy welfare ideals of the Democratic Party is
    not the way to go for sure.  They are the ones that got us into this $#(K!NG
    mess to begin with, there are no QUICK fixes.  The Democratic ideals have
    created and made it acceptable to be lazy and dependant on governmental
    handouts.  The only QUICK fix would be to destroy the cancer by cutting them
    out of society. (As Ralph said "Line them up against a wall and shoot the
    bastards")    Looks like "QUICK" fix is out, or is it?

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54354
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Lathe
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 14:06:37

            Small hobby Lathe.. Belt drive...  $35.00

                    No Motor!

    Call 843-3346   ask for SYSOP Cliff.

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    The price is FIRM, Democrats looking for free handouts need not call.... ha
    ha ha

    Message: 54355
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 16:44:51

    You mean to suggest that maternal instincts are nothing more than irrational
    fantasies to be disregarded when considering philosophical issues involving
    motherhood?

    Message: 54356
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 16:50:24

    Your argument is based on the faulty premise that the existence of a single
    person in poverty implies that the society is not prosperous.  Obviously,
    this is not true:  the bum you saw was an aberrtion from general trends (as
    is clear if you study the economic statistics), and was probably "down and
    out" because of his own failure rather than that of the Reagan
    administration.  I presume you did not bother to stop and talk with him and
    find out why he is in such apparently dire straits; instead you were content
    to exploit his unfortunate situation in order to reinforce yor own political
    prejudices.

    Message: 54357
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/abortion
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:00:14

    Your position on abortion is still incoherent.  A newborn infant is hardly
    autonomous; he needs constant attention and cannot possibly live on his own
    for several years.  Yet he is not any less human than you or I, and we
    recognize that it is wrong to kill him -- and included in this is an
    affirmative obligation on the part of the parent or other adult who has
    assumed reponsbility for him to provide for his basic needs.  There is no
    distinction that I can see between an unborn baby and a newborn one in this
    respect.

    My argument about rape apparently went over your head, so let me walk you
    through it.  You argued that men are not qualified to make moral judgments
    about abortion because they can never be in a position to have an abortion.
    One can only reach this conclusion if one accepts the axiom that
    no one is qualified to make moral judgments about actions that he can never
    be in a position to perform.  But a woman can never be in a position to
    commit rape, so if this axiom holds true, a woman is incapable of making
    moral judgments about rape.

    Your statement that if abortion is outlawed, "half the women" will be
    criminals is absurd.  Far fewer than 50 percent of women have abortions now,
    and if it were outlawed, most women would be deterred from doing so:  they
    would either raise their children, put them up for adoption, or avoid
    pregnancy in the first place.

    Message: 54358
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Petrisko
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:04:00

    There's no substitute for careful analysis.

    Message: 54359
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Discovery
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:05:19

    Well, you must be happy that you finally have some company!

    Message: 54360
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 54346
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:19:30

    The guy with the sign was probably a recent refugee from Massachusetts.

    Message: 54361
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:25:04

    I mean that maternal instincts are not compelling evidence for fetal
    personhood.  In light of the fact that there is a lot of scientific evidence
    that suggests a baby in the early stages of development is not a person,
    basing one's opinion that abortion is murder solely or primarily on the
    maternal instincts is foolish.

    Message: 54362
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Project Censored
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 17:50:48

    Biowarfare research conducted at U.S. universities

      Overshadowed by Star Wars, the push toward developing
    ghastly instruments of biological warfare has been one of
    the Reagan administration's best-kept secrets.  The research
    budget for infectious diseases and toxins has increased
    tenfold since fiscal 1981, and most of the 1986 budget of
    $42 million went to 24 U.S. universities where the world's
    most deadly organisms are being cultivated in campus labs.
      The large sums of military money available for
    biotechnology research is a powerful attraction for
    scientists whose civilian funding resources have dried up.
    Scientists who formerly researched diseases like cancer now
    use their talents to develop strains of such rare pathogens
    as anthrax, Rift Valley fever, Japanese encephalitis,
    tularemia, shigella, botulin, and Q fever.
      Many members of the academic community find the trend
    alarming.  However, when MIT's biology department voted to
    refuse Pentagon funds for biotech research, the
    administration forced it to reverse its decision by
    threatening to cut off other funds.  In 1987, when the
    University of Washington hired retired Army Col. Philip
    Sobocinsky to help professors attract Pentagon-funded
    biowarfare research, a UW science writer was fired after
    disclosing the details in the student newspaper.
      Since the U.S. signed the 1972 Biological and Toxic
    Weapons Convention, which bans "development, production,
    stockpiling, and use of microbes or their poisonous products
    except in amounts necessary for productive and peaceful
    research," the university-based projects are called defense
    efforts aimed at developing vaccines and protective gear.
    Scientists who oppose the program insist that a germ-warfare
    defense is clearly impractical; the entire population would
    have to be vaccinated for every known harmful biological
    agent.  The only feasible application of a "defensive"
    development is in conjunction with offensive use: Troops
    could be effectively vaccinated for a single agent prior to
    launching an attack with it.
      Another issue receiving even less attention is the safety
    or the security of the labs involved.  Release of pathogens,
    either by accident or design, would prove tragic.
    Twenty-three U.S. schools, including the Universities of
    California, Connecticut, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota,
    and Utah, are currently engaged in biowarfare research.

    Message: 54364
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: WILL WORK FOR FOOD
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 21:38:43

    Where has Mr. Savage been?  I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and think
    he was on vacation (or is he always on vacation?) and must have missed the
    rather large media coverage of "panhandling" taking place in the valley.

    Message: 54365
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: store counter.....
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 21:48:22

            Just a few hours left before I have to turn in my keys for the store
    space.   I still have the Sales Counter left that cost me a 1000.00 and the
    phone system (two phones and box by ITT) that cost me about 700.00.

    And a burgler alarm system with to motion sensors... ((SOLD))

    Any offers at all?   fifty bucks even?  Counter or Phone SYSTEM

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
    P.S. My phone number is 843-3346

    Message: 54366
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/abortion
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 22:31:31

    Uhhh, I'm pretty sure that Dukakis is *not* for federally funded abortions.
    He is not for abortion, but is for allowing the mother to decide for
    herself.

    Bush, on the other hand, seems to have fallen into the hands of the
    right-wing moralists.

    Message: 54367
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: all kindsa stuff
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 23:43:41

    Ianuzzi ---> oh shutup already!

    Lippard ---> oh shutup already!

    Apro Poet ---> would you please quote the issue number and date of *Der
    Spiegel*, so that I may verify your information, personally...

    Paul Savage ---> the person holding the sign was making a political
    statement; had you offered work for food, they would have undoubtedly turned
    you down, but gladly accepted any "donation" you would be willing to give;
    apparently at least part of this person's scam worked; you bought the
    political message (or in this case, disinformation) hook, line, and sinker.

    Anyone want to rent a townhouse, in the area of 48th St. & Broadway?
    Rent is $485/mo., including water/garbage, but no utilities.  Has
    dishwasher, and inside the house washer/dryer hookups.  Approx. 1000 sq.
    feet.  2 bedroom, one bath, very nice kitchen (bigger than in my 1650 sq.
    foot house).  Call 276-4663 and leave message, or call me at work, 939-3580
    or 242-9401 (ask for me by my full name).

    Any takers?

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 54368
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apollo
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 23:44:00

    How come you closed the store?

    Message: 54370
    Author: Joe McAdams
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dukakis in 1970
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 23:54:22

    Did you know that Michael Dukakis had introduced legislation in
    Massachusetts in 1970 that would repeal all laws on the books there in 1970
    that dealt with sodomy, abortion, blasphemy, and bestiality (you know, man
    having sex with an animal)? In other words, he wanted to legalize not only
    coveting your neighbor's wife, but also coveting your neighbor and your
    neighbor's dog! Vote Bush. Keep Dukakis and his dogs in Baahs-ton.

    Joe

    (from Patrick Buchanan's column in Arizona's lame leftist morning daily,
    *The Arizona Republic*, on Thursday 9/29)

    Message: 54371
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: B-Dog
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 00:10:25

            From what I understand Dukakis is for federally funded abortions for
    the poor.   This was also brought out in the Democratic convention.

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54372
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Petrisko
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 01:49:49

    America and Americans have always been willing to take risks. The launch of
    Discovery yesterday afternoon is a perfect example of what you believe
    America lacks.

    I had a chance to review the latest issue of Burning Toddlers, and I must
    say, I find the overall disturbed and cynical tone of your publication
    fascinating.

    Message: 54373
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A thing or three
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 05:26:01

    1. Peter Petrisko, you grew up before my very eyes! Well written, and quite
    reflective of the way I feel also.
     2. Cliff, take your blinders off, for heaven's sake! You are so zeroed in
    on a few narrow issues that you cannot see the forest for the trees in the
    way! It is very doubtful that, if elected, Dukakis' ideas on such things as
    gun control or abortion will become national law. It takes a lot more than
    one man's opinion to change the direction of the country.
    3. Toady Reese, I am not unaware of the poverty  rampant in the country,
    and also that it is not confined to the Phoenix area. Some of the "will work
    for food" people are indeed running scams. On the other hand, many are in
    real need of a way to feed their family, and can't do it on the "good jobs"
    the REagan years have produced, minimum wage jobs, or part-time jobs that
    are barely enough to keep people from qualifying for unemployment, but not
    nearly enough to scrape by on. You can quote all the figures you want to,
    and all they prove is how figures, polls and statistics can be twisted and
    slanted to say anything the writer of them wants them to say.
     Finally, how many saw the shuttle launch yesterday? I did, and it was a
    real thrill. NASA has a satellite channel of their own, and I watched it a
    good part of the morning, seeing the launch from every conceivable angle,
    from cameras that were so close they got dirt on their lens from the
    blastoff to the distant shots that were shown on network TV. It's good to
    see America back in the space business again, no matter who's in office.

    Message: 54374
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/abortion
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 07:23:11

    I do agree with you that it should not be used for birth control. I also
    believe it should not be done after the first month and a half.
    Re: you saying we need to get back to our morals! That is becoming more
    true, but not back to the old ones. We need a new set for this generation.
    The Biblical moral standard would not go over anymore - generally that is!
    Perhaps the one - "do unto other's" is the best. But if we do not go back to
    some set of standards - AIDS will certainly make us think about it! We are
    paying for our excesses no matter what they are. I do not think 'laws' force
    people to change but education does. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54375
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/your two posts
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 07:25:46

    They were excellent! That, in my opinion is 'stright talk'! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54376
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: All
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 08:01:38

    The poor the hungrey, and the unwanted, Shoot them all.

    Message: 54377
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Peter P.
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 08:54:30

    Bravo!  You should check in more often.

    Message: 54378
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Discovery on TV
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 08:55:08

            Paul, I've uploaded to the ibrary NASA's schedule of TV
    broadcasts from Discovery.  I think (because of time zones and launch
    delays) you can simply deduct about 30-minutes from the CDT listed to find
    when events will happen in actual MST.
            The file is called DiscovTV.txt.

    Message: 54379
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul?
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 10:06:58

            You are a fool Paul....  First you tell me to take my blinders off,
    and then proceed to tell me that one man "Dukakis" can not change anything.
    Then you blame EVERYTHING that has happened that you do not like on one man,
    Reagan.  Now here we have Reagan in a Democratic Controlled Congess "this is
    were you ALWAYS put on your blinders" and he has to fight polictical lines
    to get anything done.   Now you would have me believe that Dukakis and a
    Democractic controlled Congress, would not be able to do as much?
            Paul, have you read "Burnning Toddlers"?

            I will tell you one thing, I will go on welfare if Dakakis gets in.
    Why?  Well, it is so easy to get on wellfare and his programs of giveaways
    sound so good, why should I work?  If he gets in, that will be the end of
    this country as a great nation, it will be all down hill.  But I do not
    think the people are that STUPID!  Note that Reagan pretty much won by a
    landslide...  You seem not to be able to acknowledge this by the way....
    remember you were for Mondale... ha ha  what a joke he was.  Well, I hope
    you see the LIGHT when Bush wins by a good margin.

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54380
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Discovery
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 11:08:19

            Bill Burkett has uploaded a file DISCOVTV.TXT that can be found in
    the ibrary (see Bill's post)

            Also from "Crash" Carter is a file of Motorola.arc that has over
    7000 items ... Transistors etc.

            Mod 4 people, Carol has uploaded LANDER.BAS...a game

            Todd's last visit to Classic Apollo can be seen in a file called
    CLSSAPOL.ARC...   (I may modify it later so people who do not have an IBM
    type computer can also view it as well)

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54381
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Store counter
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 11:15:07

         I'll give you $40 for the counter, if you'll throw in the microwave
    too.

    Message: 54382
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ralph Blehm
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 11:52:01

    I don't suppose you and my dad know each other, do you?

    Message: 54383
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Facts/Figures
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 11:52:56

    Of course, Paul!  We wouldn't want something like FACTS to have anything to
    do with our decision for the next president, would we?

    Message: 54384
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliffy
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 15:04:13

    If Ducaca DOES happen to be elected - are you going to leave the country or
    commit suicide? Or both? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54385
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dukakis
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 17:04:44

    The Democratic platform calls for "reproductive freedom" (a code word for
    abortion on demand) "regardless of the ability to pay."

    Message: 54386
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin/abortion
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 17:08:11

    If your view is that abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy should be
    prohibited, you are much closer to the pro-life than the pro-choice view.
    Under Roe v. Wade, states are prohibited from enacting any restrictions on
    abortion whatsoever during the first three months of pregnancy, and may
    restrict abortions in the second trimester only for the sake of the mother's
    safety.  Only during the final three months of pregnancy are the states
    allowed to take into account the well-being of the unborn baby.  Dukakis and
    most liberals want to preserve Roe v. Wade, and view disagreement with it as
    dissent from the Constitution.

    Message: 54387
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 17:09:00

    The Census Bureau, which is hardly a partisan organization, reports that
    the poverty rate has been steadily declining for the last five years.

    Message: 54388
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Project Censored
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 19:28:11

    Bush's oily role in Iran arms deal

      Vice President George Bush's acknowledged support for the
    secret arms shipments to Iran has been interpreted as
    evidence of his loyalty to President Reagan's policies.
    However, other evidence suggests that Bush - far more than
    Reagan - promoted the Iran initiative, took part in key
    negotiations, and conferred upon Oliver North the powers
    necessary to carry it out.
      Peter Dale Scott, co-author of *The Iran-Contra Connection*
    and former senior fellow at the International Center for
    Development Policy in Washington, suggests that Bush's
    primary concern in early 1986 was to stabilize falling crude
    oil prices by promoting a common price policy between the
    United States and the oil producers of the Persian Gulf,
    especially Iran and Saudi Arabia.  Scott adds that
    maintaining higher oil prices was an explicit goal of some
    of Oliver North's secret arms negotiations with the Iranians.
    The price of oil reflected the concerns of Bush, a former
    Texas oilman, rather than those of Reagan, a free market
    advocate.
      Scott traces Bush's involvement back to the January 17,
    1986, meeting of the president's national security advisors
    at which the president signed the controversial finding
    authorizing the arms sales.  The meeting was attended only
    by Bush and three other known supporters of the arms sales
    initiative - Chief of Staff Donald Regan, National Security
    Advisor John Poindexter, and Poindexter's deputy Donald
    Fortier.
      As the *Iran-Contra Select Committee Report* points out,
    Secretary of State George Schultz and Secretary of Defense
    Casper Weinberger were deliberately kept in the dark about
    the trip North took with Robert McFarlane to Tehran three
    months later.  Bush not only knew of the trip, he helped
    schedule it.
      Bush took a trip of his own to Saudi Arabia where he
    lobbied Saudi leaders to help stabilize oil prices, then
    rapidly falling to less than $10 a barrel.  His trip was
    successful; Saudi Arabia's King Fahd received the Iranian
    petroleum minister in the fall of 1986 and the two countries
    agreed to push for OPEC arrangements for boosting oil prices
    to $18 a barrel.  That price brought economic relief to
    oil-producing states like Texas, which were key to Bush's
    political base.

    Message: 54390
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Kielsky #54367
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 20:00:33

      The nuclear safety piece that mentioned *Der Spiegel* came
    from *Utne Reader*, Sept./Oct. 1988.  They don't mention
    which issue of *Der Spiegel* originally disclosed the
    information.  They do mention that "these previously secret
    documents were published in English for the first time in
    *Earth Island Journal*."  Their references cite the Summer
    1987 issue of *EIJ*.

    Message: 54391
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Paul ...
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 21:25:47

    Somehow in all of this we seem to be missing something. Paul, ever since
    I came back to this country I've started to see more and more people
    whine, moan, bitch and generally wretch senselessly about what other
    people are or are not doing. Everyone's got their nose stuck into the other
    guys work to see if he's doing it the way he's supposed to. If the country
    could collectively take one step back and get the nose out of the mud
    and start going about WORKING at MAKING a living instead of saying
    it's so-and-so's fault I strongly believe we'd all be better off.
    I came here with no money with parents just as broke. I didn't go on welfare
    or go out begging for a hand-out. In fact, I worked for FREE just to get
    in the door!  I didn't have much else than a defunct Aussie pilot's
    license , a high school certificate and my future. I didn't give a holy
    cat's $#!+ who was or wasn't in power at the time. I made it out of
    the mud by directing my attention to WORKING . Administration or
    no Administration.
    My point;
    Regardless of who is El Presidente, the Meta-Chingone (sp?) or El Hefe
    of this country, it is the INDIVIDUALS  *** RESPONSIBILITY *** to look
    and care after themselves. If families would look after their own, people
    pay attention to THEIR work we wouldn't have a fraction of the homeless,
    the out of work or the druggies we have now. We have them because people
    who think like you believe it's the GOVERNMENTS RESPONSIBILITY to look
    after them with handouts, free medical, free jobs and a free lunch.
       -Mike

    Message: 54392
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/Paul
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 22:21:10

            Ann, If Dukakis gets in, I will shutdown my business (Machine Shop
    and Computer Support) and go on the wonderfull welfare program that he is
    offering... Why Work?
            JT, Why would Paul believe FACTs from the Census Bureau?  He listens
    to his old cronie buddies from the Post Office, they KNOW everything!
    Facts don't count... get real J.T.!

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54393
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Abortion
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 23:54:21

    What does it matter what any of us thinks of abortion?  Abortions are *in*
    and they will continue and I would sure hate to see it back in the dark ages
    again, illegal and performed in some dark, dirty office again.

    To me, abortion is wholesale murder. I hate it with a mad passion, but then
    I am past the choice/stage of that game.

    While I am for Bush, he sure struggled with that one. I think he was trying
    to say what he thought persons wanted him to say, and then forgot exactly
    what it was he was to say...or something like that.

    Carol->

    Message: 54394
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 23:56:09

    I am *sure* he is Uncle Ralphie!!!

    You know, the one whose phonograph needle got stuck! and he yelled
    "Shoot!" and you thought he meant it, so you did...but missed?

    Don't miss next time....

    Carol->

    Message: 54395
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Russia
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 23:57:36

    What in Marx's name is going on over there in the Poliburo?

    Did anyone else notice the shakeup and the urgency with which it took place?

    Carol->
            To Russia with Love...........................

    Message: 54396
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Why, oh why???
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 04:56:16

    Why do I feel like a rose amidst all these thorns?
    Even Ralph Blehm is beginning to sound like Reagan!

    Message: 54397
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 06:41:36

    Heaven forbid!
    Cliff, You can't go on welfare, You dont have the right Look.
    Todd, If you'r Father is human and of the old school I know him.
    Carol, I love you , but must disagree on some things.
    Annie, go get them!
    Shoot them all!!!!

    Message: 54398
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Atari 520stfm
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 07:27:04

            Effective immediately, ATARI will be shipping our all new 520STFM
    double-sided product against all dealer orders.

            The 520STFM double-sided disk drive will now give your customers
    twice the storage capability at the same price of a 520STFM single-sided
    product.

            Make sure if you are buying, that you do not get the single-sided
    drive..... or if you do, get a GREAT discount on it!  The Regular suggested
    retail price is $799.95.  The Promo (current) price is $699.95 for a mono
    system.  The Color Regular price is $999.99 and the Promo color system is
    only $849.95.
            Promo ends December 24,1988....  Make sure Henry treats you RIGHT!

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54399
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/your post
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 08:51:39

    It was excellent! If everybody felt like that, the nation wouldn't be in the
    spot it's in now. I think this welfare thing started when Roosevelt was in
    office - it helped then and was needed - but it has gotten so far out of
    hand, it doesn't resemble what the purpose of it was for.
    My husband, being a contractor runs in to so many men that swear they will
    work for any wage - even food. He has in the past, picked up men on the
    street with signs stating "Will work for anything"! etc. etc. 99% of them
    just want some quick cash to tide them over until they can get their welfare
    checks or unemployment. OR they will not stay around very long after they
    find out how hard of work it is. The norm - they work for a week, get their
    checks and he never sees them again! These guys don't want to work period.
    Most of them get fired before the week is up because they just sit around on
    the job. They CAN make more off of welfare than what my husband pays a
    laborer. ($5 per hour - and he pays the taxes!) They never stick around long
    enough to learn the business and get a raise. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54400
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Project Censored
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 12:22:37

    Biased coverage of the Arias peace plan

      On August 7, 1987, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala,
    Honduras, and Nicaragua signed a regional peace proposal
    authored by Costa Rican President Oscar Arias.  The Arias
    Plan set specific guidelines and target dates for ceasefires
    and demilitarization for each nation in order to stabilize
    Central America.
      Two separate studies monitoring U.S. press coverage of the
    plan revealed a startling bias in how America's leading
    newspapers covered the region following the proposal's
    signing.  The New York-based Fairness and Accuracy in
    Reporting (FAIR) concluded that the peace accord set off a
    U.S. media reaction that "showed once again the extent to
    which White House assumptions are shared by the national
    press corps" and how "Reagan's obsession with Nicaragua has
    turned into a media obsession."  FAIR's 90-day analysis of
    the *New York Times* found that the newspaper devoted three
    times a many column inches to Nicaragua as it did to
    Honduras, Guatamala, and El Salvador combined.
      The other study, by the San Francisco-based Media Alliance,
    monitored stories about the peace plan that appeared in
    seven major dailies - the *New York Times*, *L.A. Times*,
    *Christian Science Monitor*, *San Jose Mercury News*,

    *San Francisco Chronicle*, *San Francisco Examiner*, and the
    *Oakland Tribune*.  They too concluded that most newspapers
    followed the Reagan administration's direction as to what
    deserved coverage in Central America.  The alliance analyzed
    406 articles and editorials.  Here are some of their
    findings:
    - While the seven newspapers published numerous articles
    critical of the Sandinistas and their efforts to comply with
    the plan, serious human rights violations by the governments
    of El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatamala went largely
    unreported.
    - Sources quoted for comments and analysis were almost
    always administration officials, contra leaders, or
    representatives of other conservative organizations that
    advocate military solutions to the region's political
    conflicts.
    - The newspaper editors, when contacted by the *San
    Francisco Bay Guardian*, generally acknowledged that the
    national press has allowed the Reagan administration to set
    the tone for Central American news coverage.

    Message: 54402
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: read it an weap
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 13:25:59

    Apro Poet:  Your references are quite shaky.  I have not been able
    to locate the *Der Spiegel* article, which is the basis of some of your
    posts.  Sounds like made up news to me.

    Concerning the election:  If Dukakis does get into office, this country
    will learn a lesson it will not shortly forget.  At best, Democrats will
    be hated and despised for decades.  At worst, the character of this country
    will change for the worse, with a loss of many individual rights.

    Just my views.

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 54403
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 15:15:51

    If Dukakis gets elected, it will prove that this country has a very short
    memory.  Remember Jimmy Carter?

    Message: 54404
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 17:09:12

    No matter Dukakis or Bush, we will lose a lot of individual rights. Vote
    Libertarian!

    Message: 54405
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Libertarian
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 18:05:38

            If the public voted Libertarian, we would lose a lot more then our
    rights, we would lose our Country!
            Vote Republican, and keep us STRONG!

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54406
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 18:45:01

    Isn't it the Liberals who want to take away freedoms like the right to keep
    and bear arms?

    Message: 54407
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Atari
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 18:46:14

    Isn't that kind of like a computer dealer who unloads his Epson FX-80's on
    unsuspecting customers when he knows the cheaper and more advanced Epson
    RX-80 is coming out in a couple of weeks?

    Message: 54408
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 18:54:32

    My dad says we should line up all the fags (his words) in the world and
    shoot them all.  By chance, would you feel the same way?

    Message: 54409
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Shooting the fags
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 19:06:15

    I have to admire your father's courage.  Most people would be afraid of
    getting AIDS, given all the infected blood that would be spilled.

    Message: 54410
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 19:26:26

    The RX-80 was out before the FX-80 and the FX-80 was faster and had more
    features....  Besides, Epson NEVER tell its dealers what is comming out till
    it is out!
    I have an FX-80 just like yours Todd, and I would never trade it for an RX.
    The MX and RX wastes one sheet of paper in tractor mode.  The FX does not!
    The FX also has friction feed, the RX does not!

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54411
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Gemini Inc.
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 19:36:54

            Well, I turned in the KEYS to the store today...  The counter and
    phone system was picked up by a clearing house in Scottsdale, now they are
    twice the price....
            Now guys, (and Gals) I am still in business, but I do not have a
    greedy LandLord wanting all the profits plus 10%.   I do Repairs and
    hardware sales (no Pacman games).  I do machine work.....  I can set up
    systems and trouble shoot your problems, in my shop or on your location.
    Give me a call at 843-3346 if you have any questions or need help!

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 54412
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: J.T./Your last
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 20:54:20

    Only you would think of something like that...

    ----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8

    Message: 54413
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/01/88  Time: 23:58:09

    Chill out, dude.  I was just kidding.

    Message: 54414
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Abortions
    Date: 10/02/88  Time: 00:53:03

            If we lived in an intelligent, fun world, I'd be against abortions
    altogether, except in medical cases, of course.  In we had an intelligent,
    fun world, I don't believe abortions would be an issue or a problem.
                                    Rod

    Message: 54415
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The Poor
    Date: 10/02/88  Time: 01:03:11

            I work among the people and I see their problems.  Many, if not most
    of you work among the upper middle class slaves and you probably pat each
    other on the back, saying what a great place we have.  You wear your suits
    (what are they for, especially that damn tie?) and drive new vehicles which
    are financed for 60 months, are buying homes which will be worn out before
    the 30 years are up and it seems that neither one of us can see the others
    points.
            There is truth to what each side is saying because we are speaking
    from our personal experiences.  Like Ralphy sez.....shoot 'em all.
                                    Rod
    P.S.  I don't know, I just happen to live here.

    You chose Chit Chat

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     1:        I was recently informed by my father-in-law that the Libertairan
     2:Party came into being around the time of the Great Depression.  He said that
     3:many new parties were formed during those hard years although the
     4:Libertairans were the strongest.
     5:        I think Americans should voice their dissatisfaction of our two
     6:party system and * * * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * * *
     7:
     8:        In Russia the people may have a choice of only one but it seems in
     9:this land we only have a choice of two........change it.
    10:                                        Rod
    11:end

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    Message: 311
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: VO
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 00:09:19

    I don't drink VO.

    Message: 312
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Mighty SYSOPs
    Subject: James/last
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 01:02:46

            Yes, you do, James ..... Ann converted you.

    Message: 313
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 01:23:19

            Sandy was finally released from the Dullhead Mental Hospital when
    she got her lines straight. She thought she had shot 2 times when in fact
    she shot 3 times. After the confusion was over she was released and taken
    home by her wonderful and Mighty Apollo Sysop.
            Cliff and Sandy spent the rest of the night pondering the motives of
    David B. They both were conviced that he was responsible for the gross
    murders of the Apollo BBS $tatus users. Why them and not the Non-$tatus
    users? Only time will tell.......
            "How can we stop this maniac?" Cliff asks.
            "I don't know, Cliff. I just do not know," replies Sandy gazing at
    the wall. "My trusty 357 did not even phase him. All my years of training
    are not helping us are they? ...... Oh, my ......"
            Just then Sandy jumps out of bed and yells, "I've got it!"
            "Got what?" inquires Cliff.
            "I've got how to stop this evil corpse of a David."
            Sandy begins to explain to Cliff how David was involved in economics
    while he was alive. She realizes now the only way to have David's stay in
    the grave permanent was to kill him with a credit card. A dangerous thing to
    do indeed, but one that needs to be done. One thing holding Sandy back from
    executing the plan immediately was that she did not own a credit card. Who,
    she thinks to herself, will trust her enough to lend her their credit card?
            Cliff interupted his wonderful wife. He advised her of the funeral
    they must attened in a few hours. Sandy tried to sleep but could not, she
    was ready to try her theory out .......

    Message: 314
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 08:13:21

    Finally, Sandy went to sleep, but Cliff lay there for hours looking at the
    ceiling. He was so afraid for his Sandy and her theory of the credit card
    and was wondering if he had gotten her out of Dullhead too soon? No doubt
    she was ready for a nervous brake down. He hadn't questioned her at the
    time, but wondered how she expected to kill a man already dead - with a
    credit card? Did she plan on throwing it in the grave with him, hoping he'd
    melt like the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz? Or did she plan to stuff it
    in his mouth and hope to choke him to death?
    "I must get her away from this city befores she cracks" he thought.
    "Besides, now that I'm out of a job, I can't afford to put her back in
    Dullhead for any length of time!
    It was dawn before sleep finally claimed Cliff and when it did, he had awful
    nightmares of gore, blood and the walking dead!

    Message: 315
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 08:14:29

    Rod Williams had been walking for hours. He was totally despondent over
    the horrible death of his buddy Nick and he was trying to shake some of
    the gloom off by walking. It was doing no good. He didn't even notice
    that several young women had 'given him the eye' as they passed by. His
    handsome good looks and the intelligence that showed through, always
    commanded attention where ever he went! Coupled with the fact that he
    was also wearing his second favorite T-shirt that had, in bold letters
    written on the front that said "BABY ON BOARD". He had gotten it from
    Jasmine, his dear wife and companion of all these many years. She felt
    it belonged on him more than her because it was he that kept on making
    the babies - not her!
    Rod sighed and continued walking. After a while, he saw a Circle K
    looming up in the distance and decided he was thirsty and wanted a
    Coke, so he made his way towards it. Just before he opened the door, he
    happened to glance at a poster hung in the window and his heart stopped
    in his chest when he realized what it said. It read .......
     ____________________________________________________________________
     l******************************************************************l
     l                     WANTED POSTER                                l
     l                                                                  l
     l                HAVE YOU SEEN THIS WOMAN?                         l
     l   NAME:         ___________________________   Was last seen at   l
     l  Ann Oudin     :            @@             :  her home on the    l
     l   HEIGHT:      :         @ @@@@ @          :  night of the 25th  l
     l 5' 8" tall.    :        @@ o  o @@         :  of Sept. carrying  l
     l Blues eyes.    :       @@@ \__/ @@@        :  a huge red penis.  l
     l Blond hair.    :        @@@ ll @@@         :  Her husband is     l
     l Reported to    :        ----\/----         :  very worried over  l
     l be very        :       / /      \  \       :  her disappearence  l
     l beautiful.     :      / /   /\   \  \      :  as she belongs to  l
     l  AGE: 53       :     / /    )(    \  \     :  the Apollo BBS     l
     l but reported   :    / /\_   /\   _/\  \    :  and several murdersl
     l to be much     :    \ \   \    /   /  /    :  have been linked tol
     l younger looking:___________________________:  that club.         l
     l                                                                  l
     l A REWARD has been offered by her husband of $10 to anyone knowingl
     l of her whereabouts.                                              l
     l A COUNTER REWARD has also been made by her husband of $10,000 to l
     l anyone that DOES find her and does NOT bring her back! Offer goodl
     l for the month of October only.___________________________________l

    He could not believe his eyes! His heart felt frozen in his chest.
    "My God! Now the sweet, lovely, pure and sinless Ann is dead too! What
    is life on Apollo going to be without her? The rest were bad enough,
    especially Nick, but Ann? Why Ann? She hadn't done a thing to anybody".
    Rod thought about the year before last on Apollo - how cruel David had
    been to her - calling her names like 'silly' and 'idiotic'! Him and
    James had their fun with her building up their egos at her expense!
    But it had been no big thing - not big enough for him to do this to
    her.  "There's got to be another motive here! David wouldn't do this
    thing over something like that -- or would he?"

    While Rod thought on these things, another Apollo member sat in front
    of his computer on the other side of town. It was .......

    Message: 318
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/27/88  Time: 16:45:37

    Get a job.

    Message: 319
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Airhead James
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 06:04:46

    Get a brain! You lost yours somewhere along the line!

    Message: 320
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Airhead J T
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 06:50:04

    Who ever said that he had a human brain?

    Message: 321
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Heard on Radio....
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 10:21:49

         Phoenix area police profess to be puzzled by a strange string of
    incidents which have allegedly occurred in the Valley of the Sun during
    the past few days.  Reliable sources confirm that a cadaver is indeed
    missing from Tempe's scenic Double Buttes Cemetery.  The missing
    remains are said to be those of a David Burkhart, a member of an
    obscure Phoenix sect known as the Apolloites.

         Authorities deny that there is any connection between the dis-
    appearance of the Burkhart corpse and a string of grisly murders
    aparently connected to the Apollo cult.  No motive has yet been
    established in the case of Ms. Sandy Sysop, who was apprehended
    near the exhumed grave last night, a smoking 357 magnum handgun
    clutched in her hand.  Staff psychologists at a nearby mental
    institution could not be reached to confirm her story that she
    had fired 23 shots from her pistol at an apparition described
    as "foul beyond all belief."  Mrs. Sysop has been described by
    friends as mildly deranged but not dangerous.  A friend of the
    family who asked to remain anonymous commented that she had
    "ample reason to be deranged, what with a husband like hers!"

         In an unrelated incident, authorities were interviewing an elderly
    male found wandering in the Metrocenter area last night.  Police say
    that the suspect, identified as a Mr. Ralph Blehm, appeared incoherent
    as he attempted to describe the events that caused him to have been
    arrested for walking past the same point on Metro Parkway three times
    within two hours.
         Blehm claimed to have been dragged into a late model Corvette by
    an unidentified woman, who then forced him to yield his Visa chard
    card, or lose the gunny sack of aluminum cans and old condoms that he
    had painstakingly collected along the roadside.  He claims that he did
    not get a good look at the woman, who then removed his trousers and
    pulled them over his head before dumping him out of the car and
    speeding off into the night.
          *****************   News Flash!    ******************
         Glendale police have cordoned off the area between 47th Avenue and
    55th Avenue on Northern.  Eyewitnesses at the scene are describing a
    bizarre and macabre incident that defies rational belief.  Mr. Gary
    Jones, a witness interviewed just a few minutes, ago said that he saw a
    deranged, light-haired woman driving a rental steam roller veer
    suddenly up onto the curb and flatten a pedestrian.  Police are unable
    to confirm Mr. Jones's statement, because although they have the
    deranged driver of the steam roller in custody, the foul smelling
    substance on the sidewalk and adhering to the roller of the rental
    machine do not appear to be pieces of human being.

         A Glendale paramedic commented that the substance smelled more
    like dog manure than anything else he had ever encountered.  Mr.
    Jones reportededly is sticking to his story, that the figure that was
    flattened into unrecognizable goo was actually a pedestrian.  There
    is speculation that the unidentified object may be the missing body
    from a local cemetery.

         In further developments, Police have not yet identified the
    strange woman apprehended driving the steam roller.  Her only
    identification was a charge card bearing the name Ralph
    Blehm.  Mr. Blehm was not immediately available for comment.
    Also, Phoenix Police have impounded a Chevrolet Corvette
    found in the parking lot of a mid-town heavy equipment rental
    agency.  They profess to be puzzled by an immense, bright red
    phallic symbol found tied to the rear deck of the vehicle.

    Stay tuned to this station for further developments.

    Message: 324
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Old Fart Ralph B.
    Subject: juggs
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 15:46:13

    I am Not Guilty..... See Annie tvhe ASSSSSP.
    I am a nice person And would Kill in such a fashion. Line them up against
    a wall ans shoot the $#%**

    Message: 325
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/28/88  Time: 19:45:36

            Ann, the still unkown crazy woman, was put in with the other
    mistakenly deranged woman, Sandy Sysop. The music rang soft and melodious
    through their padded cell. The evening news caused Ann to smile. She gazed
    over to Sandy's direction and commented on the foul smelling jelly like
    substance being scraped off the steam roller.
            "That's what's left of JT," snickers Ann. "I wanted so to get even
    with him." Sandy listens in astonishment wondering at the same time if Ann
    feels a need to get even with her. "I dug him up. That smelly, rotten, worm
    infested corpse! I dug him up, I did." Ann cocks her head to one side. "His
    head was hard to keep together you know." She stops long enough to scoot
    herself closer to Sandy. "Wanna know somethin', Sandy? ........ JT don't got
    no heart. I saw for myself. I dug into his chest --- it's easy to dig into
    a rotten corpses' chest -- an' there was nothin' there. Not a thing!"
            Sandy closed her eyes and tilts her head back against the wall
    wondering why she had to come back to this Hell Hole. "Why, of all people,
    did I have to get stuck with her?" she mumbles to herself. "I just know my
    credit card idea will work." She looks towards the door. "Why won't someone
    let me out?"

            Rod realizes who that lady was on the news. If Ann only knew, if
    only she knew her fate. No way was Rod going to rescue Ann, the phallic
    worshiper. He stood much to gain by keeping his mouth shut than if he went
    to the police. A $10,000.00 dollar reward for keeping his mouth shut was
    what it took to buy him off. Rod muses over how to spend his ten thou.
    "A new computer for sure," he thinks to himself. "Can't type very well with
    all that dry blood and tissue in between the keys."
            Meanwhile, back at the Nut House, Sandy is planning her escape.
    Knowing Ann's facination with the male anatomy she puts her plan into
    action. She whispers something into Ann's ear, then sits next to the door
    and waits.........

    Message: 327
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 06:58:40

    ... until the gaurd does his rounds. She didn't have to wait long. Both her
    and Ann could hear him opening the large cell door and was making his way
    down the aisles. Ann quickly took all her clothes off and pressed herself
    against the bars.
    The guard turned the cornor and his eyes almost bugged out when he caught a
    glimps of Ann.
    "Hey baby! Wanna have a little fun"? Ann says to him seductively.
    The guard walks up close to the bars. He starts to drool.
    HE didn't notice that Sandy had taken Ann's belt and had it hidden behind
    her. At the point where he had forgotten everything but Ann's loveliness,
    Sandy wrapped the belt around his neck and pulled. It only took a few
    seconds and he was passed out on the floor. Ann reaches down and grabs his
    keys and opens the cell. Both of them started running out of the jail.
    Fortunately, it was late and very few cops were on duty at that time, so
    they were not seen and made an easy get-a-way! They paused in a dark alley
    to catch their breath.
    "Boyee, is it cold" Ann said shivering.
    "No wonder" said Sandy, "you don't have any clothes on! Here, put these on.
    I grabbed your clothes before we left!"
    "Jeeze, thanks Sandy. I completely forgot!"
    Ann quickly slipped into her clothes.
    In the meantime, not too far from the jail .....

    .. sat cute 'fart' Ralph, looking at the Cardinal game on TV! He was trying
    to calm himself after that nasty steamroller incident. The game had done the
    trick and he was caught up in the action.
    Suddenly, he smelt something awful and sat up with a jerk, looking around
    the room. "Man, it smells like something died in here!"
    From the far cornor of the room, lost in darkness, stepped a hugh, hulking
    figure that reeked of the grave.
    Ralph sat down again - deadly fear running through his vains. He could not
    move.
    The dead thing came over to where poor Ralph was sitting and said in a
    gruesome voice "You are right Ralphy Baby. Something is dead in here!"
    Ralph was almost fainting from terror.
    The dead thing continued. "So you were wondering about JT's brain were you?
    Well I have it right here. It's yours!"
    Before Ralph could move an inch, the hulking figure took the brain and
    shoved it down Ralph's throat. It was only a matter of seconds before he was
    dead! His last thoughts were - "It's sure ironic that I'm going to spend
    eternity with JT after all!" and then nothing but blackness!
    The dead thing gave out his gruesome laugh and left into the night!

    Message: 329
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Nude
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 09:27:22

    Gee I did'nt know that you looked so good without clothes

    Message: 330
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/29/88  Time: 19:14:54

            Unaware of the evenings events Sandy makes her way home. "Ann sure
    was quick to leave," she ponders. At her house Sandy preoccupies herself
    with looking for Cliff. Not in the computer room, not in the garage, not in
    the kitchen, not in the bedroom  ...... how odd. Where could he be at this
    time of night?
            Happy to be home tired Sandy readies herself for bed.....

    Message: 331
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: story
    Date: 09/30/88  Time: 15:17:43

    She was half asleep when she heard Cliff come in. He went directly to the
    bathroom and she heard the shower start.
    "What in heck is he taking a shower for now"? she pondered. "He took one
    this morning and hasn't done anything to get dirty!"
    Sandy went over to the bathroom door and knocked lightly. "You OK Cliffy
    dear?"
    From under the shower Cliff mumbled "Yeah, I'm OK. I'll just be a few
    minutes honey."
    "Why are you showering this time of night?"
    "Hm, ah --- I had a little accident while taking a walk!"
    "What kind of accident?"
    "Well - I was walking along 19th avenue where they are repairing the road
    and fell into a rain filled hole and got all muddy. My clothes are a mess,
    but I'm otherwise alright. Go on back to sleep baby!"
    "But what's that awful smell Cliff?"
    "The water was quite stagnate is all. I had to throw away my clothes.
    Please! Enough explaining for tonight. Go on back to bed!"
    Sandy reluctantly went back to bed, but couldn't sleep thinking "something
    is terriably wrong here! What was Cliff doing taking a walk anyway at this
    time of night? Why would he throw away good clothes knowing they can be
    cleaned?"
    Sandy started to shiver because she had became quite afraid - quite afraid
    of the answer!

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