### Apollo BBS Archive - July 9, 1991

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 04:53:52

    I didn't go to court.  I was concerned about the possibility of the officer
    having stopeed the other vehicle sometime later that evening.  If that had
    happened, he might have decided to ticket me for drag racing. I decided to
    avoid any potential hassle and pay the fine.

    Saul is a car thief?  I might have some business for him.

    JT is working for the Manhattan Institute, a conservative organization
    located in Manhattan.  He is writing for their newsletter.  I haven't talked
    to him since we stopped at your house in January.

    See you around the universe,
    Nick
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:One more thing....do you still have the name of Tom's doctor in Scottsdale.
     2:I have a friend who would like to get in touch.
     3:
     4:How 'conservative' is JT?
     5:
     6:Take care, Rod.  I bet people who meet in space for the trillionth time,
     7:exclaim, "what a small universe it is."  See you around.

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:12:42

    No, we already decided no churches or ministers of any kind.  After that, we
    don't have any set plans.  No jumping from planes for me, thanks.  I was
    thinking about having it done after climbing Squaw Peak.  I wouldn't want to
    have a reception there, though, especially if it was still hot.  Who knows!
    We may just elope and get it over with.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:I, The Left Reverend Nucon of the Church of Bob and Bobra, can marry you
     2:people.  Write your own vows.  All I want in return is slack.
     3:
     4:                                Rod

    Mail from Roger Mann
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:49:07

    re:proletariats
    Yes. I thought I was a Republican.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:What's the difference between Democrat, Republican or Proletariat?  None
     2:that I can see.

    *=* $tatus Club Bulletin Board entered *=*

    Message: 7524
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last two...
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:18:51

            I know Daryl... Rod believes what he *WANTS* to believe, proving all
    the time his mind is locked shut by drugs.  Unhealthy habits, unhealthy
    ideas, unhealthy morals equals one unhealthy atheist!

            But ya gotta chuckle at his off the wall posts.....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- A Christian!

    Message: 7525
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 09:14:38

    Re: "Rod believes what he *WANTS* to believe...."

    Don't we all?

    Re: ..."proving all the time his mind is locked shut by drugs.."

    Something must be working in Rods life! Look at all the kids he has?

    You aren't really insinuating that Rod is an athiest because he smokes pot
    are you?

    Rod unhealthy? You gotta be kidding. All the years I've been on this board I
    heard him complain once  - not too long ago about his tooth! Where  on the
    other hand, you complain of sinus problems, allergies, headaches ... etc.
    and YOU DON'T take drugs!!! Paul, another non drug user just went to the
    hospital for his 'trick knee' and of course, he always has bleeding sinuses!
    Perhaps both of you should look into a little pot and I don't mean the kind
    on the stove! (Snicker) *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7526
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/USDA
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 19:24:00

    Actually, the 3-4 months figure was an estimate on the effect of reducing
    fat intake *somewhat*, not stopping meat or fat intake.

    Message: 7527
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 20:16:51

    Re:  At least after one smokes pot they can see damn well in the dark.

    Does seeing well in the dark help overcome the paranoia the pot causes?

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 7528
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cat, see in dark
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 23:45:26

    Glad you asked that, cool cat.  Would you become paranoid if you knew that
    what you were doing was mandated as a felony?

    The only reason a pot smoker may become paranoid is that smoking pot is a
    crime in the eyes of the establishment.  Is that a good enough reason?

    Yes, I guess pot could be considered a bit differently if it caused the user
    to become oblivious to their surroundings?  Agree?

                                    Rod

    And I'll bet that you, Paul Savage and Cliff, each one of you individually,
    consume more drugs each day than I do.  I have zero prescriptions from
    doctors.

    Of course the ones you guys take are legal therefore you don't get a twinge
    of paranoia when you take them.  That would be unnatural, now wouldn't it?

    All you may wonder about is, will they do the job, does medical science know
    enough at present to cure my condition(s)?  There are many deaths and other
    disorders that come from legal medicine.  There has never been a documented
    death from using the marijuana plant.

    Something to think about....marijuana is a direct and fairly close relative
    of the Cat Nip plant.  That, Cat, may be something you would be interested
    in.

                                            Rod

    End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1903
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Roger/syndromes
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:02:52

     What you are thinking of is the Turrette (sp) syndrome. THe young son of a
    friend of my daughter's has it. It is a chemical imbalance that causes
    various sorts of tics, such as rapid eye blinking, finger snapping, etc. and
    uncontrollable cursing. It can be controlled by medication, but, according
    to my daughter, it's easy to see when the medication is wearing off since
    the symptoms are quite pronounced.
     I don't know if there is a cure, or whether or not the syndrome can be
    outgrown.

    Message: 1904
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Tourette's syndrome
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:40:19

    I don't know of anybody outgrowing it.  Oliver Sacks had some interesting
    things to say about it in "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat".  One was
    that it used to be thought very rare (about one case in a million or so),
    but apparently it's far more common than people thought.  Haldane is one
    drug used to control it.

    Public Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 76462
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa & Beau
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 04:58:03

    Congratulations!

    Message: 76463
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Roger Boob
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:41:12

     I might have known that simple reasoning would fail to penetrate the fog
    that envelopes your thinking.
     If you consider anyone who believes in the Bible as a Boob, you must stand
    in the position of one who does not believe in the Word of God, and
    therefore, not in the God of the Word as well. Which means that, conversely,
    you must stand on your own "righteousness", and therefore are in the
    position of one sadly lacking in foundation.
     "There is not one righteous, NO NOT ONE!" SOmeplace in Isaiah.

    Message: 76464
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/free will
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:45:51

     I believe that God knows the final outcome of every situation, since he
    "knows our end from the beginning", but has given us what we call "free
    will" so that we can choose or own paths to reach that outcome. We are free
    to achieve God's purposes in this world, and the realization and acceptance
    of our position in Him  is true peace and joy.

    Message: 76465
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Melissa/Ron
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:47:35

    Congratulations, you two! Neat indeed!

    Message: 76466
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick and Paul
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:17:02

    Thanks!

    Message: 76467
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dee on 'neat!!!'
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:26:05

            Congratulations to the both of you!  (or all six of you)

            Please let us know WHEN!?

            Did you guys meet on a BBS or a GT?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76468
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mr Westfall....
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:30:30

            I will take the cockatiel... we have a nice cage and spend lots of
    time with the birds (no wise cracks here guys)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76469
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa and Ron
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:53:08

    This is very good news. May I wish you both great happiness in your future
    marriage.

    Message: 76470
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: 76455/ Daryl
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:55:53

    Y'all must be born agin.

    Message: 76471
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: War!
    Subject: Paul/Boob
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:18:50

    Here is Webster's New World Dictionary definition of self-righteous:

    self-righteous adj. filled with or showing one's own conviction of being
    morally superior, or more righteous than others; smugly virtuous.

    I submit, again, that no matter what MY mental attitude or MY belief is that
    you fit that definition to a "T". My use of the pejorative "Bible Believing
    Boob" has no effect whatsoever on your righteousness in all its glory. Now,
    we may debate MY attitude and that I am judging you from what I consider to
    be a morally superior position than you. But that does not detract one iota,
    one smidgeon, one microscopic speck from your own self-righteousness.

    Message: 76472
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Melissa on engage
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:31:54

    Are you aware your marrying a 'DOG'? Ha - only kidding. Congratulations to
    both of you. You two make a good looking couple. I hope you future holds
    great 'barks and tail wagging'!! Heh . *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76473
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Doggy
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:37:00

    Re: "Reverend Beauregard Jackson Clupeper Dog, colonel, CSA, retired ..."
    ...are you giving that up and will now be called 'Mr Dee'???? Heh Heh Heh
    After all, you know how it is with the stars and Melissa is one of sorts
    with all her story writing and such. The husbands take the back seat you
    know. Ha. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76474
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:45:20

    Is your cockatiel a male or female? I might be interested in taking him - he
    would be in a very large cage with two others and a parakeet. I don't know
    how much attention he would get, but he wouldn't be lonely. The cage gets
    natural sunlight in the afternoons and the birdies get fruits and veggies
    all the time, plus millet and other cockatiel goodies. Let me know and we
    can talk about it OK? What color is he? My other two are grey with a yellow
    face and all yellow. That one is totally tamed. *>>> ANN O. <<<*
    P.S. I have raised cockatiels in the past and am a experienced bird person.
    Ha ha.
    P.P.S. I even have a spare cage to go get him in!

    Message: 76475
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Craziness!
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 09:03:15

    In today's paper is an article about a atomic goat that got away from
    researchers in Albuquerque. Seems they have been experimenting with
    injecting goats with radioactive isotopes so that they can track the coyotes
    after they eat them???!!!! All ten goats got out and only 9 were found and
    now they fear that one will contaminate the long horned sheep in the area
    which are on the endangered species list!! Not only that, but also other
    animal life that might eat of it's remains such as birds etc.
    The article states .. "The scientists believed that the coyotes, which were
    in a large, fence-off area with the goats, would ingest the radioactive
    material if they killed and ate any of the goats, thereby, revealing their
    habits."
    It may be a dumb question, but couldn't they use something else besides
    radioactive isotopes to find out about coyotes??? What do they need to find
    out about coyotes they don't already know??
    The article said "The nine 'slightly radioactive' goats were buried
    alongside the few coyotes". How safe is 'slightly radioactive' anyway??

    This makes me ill to think about it. We call ourselves 'civilized'? HA!
                          *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76476
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: K-I-S-S-I-N-G
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:27:57

    > As of Sunday, July 7th 1991 at 9:30 or so, Ron Harvey, aka
    > Beauregard Dog, and Melissa Mychele Davis, aka Melissa Dee,
    > Mychele Nickels, Nikki Kalua et al, are engaged.

    "Congratulations!" seems so puny, but it's all I have to offer.

    All the best!

    Now, in the words of an old Star Trek parody, "Disengage and get back to
    work!"

    Message: 76477
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Metrowhatever
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:28:16

    > No, Peter's Gallery is still there and operating.  Peter and
    > two of his friends, Peter and Peter went together and opened
    > Metropophobobia.

    Meetings of the board must be fun.

    Message: 76478
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: PoLEASE State
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:28:36

    > How about if we just hold our degrees up and whoever has the
    > most letters wins?

    Somehow I think that'd end up in a tie.  Unless high school counts.

    For the rest of your messages, it'll have to wait till I have more time.
    Perhaps this evening.

    Message: 76479
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa and her Beau
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:47:40

    I've already had the opportunity to congratulate Beau in person on becoming
    enraged...  er, engaged, but I'll echo my good wishes again here.
    Congratulations, both of you!

    Message: 76480
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Concealing evidence
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:48:32

    I read the following in a discussion of criminals who were convicted of
    crimes based upon evidence found in their personal computers and storage
    media.

      >> Incidentally, I seem to remember a similar case in Northern Virginia
      >> recently in which a Marine was accused of murdering his wife (also a
      >> Marine, who disappeared and whose body has not been found).  As I
      >> remember, investigators found plans on how to carry out a murder and
      >> hide the body on a disk belonging to the suspect.

    I hope he remembered to cremate the body first, otherwise he'd have a hard
    time getting it all on the disk.

    Message: 76481
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Get my Goat
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:51:40

    Maybe not civilized but definitely strange.

    Message: 76482
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/Concealing
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:58:13

    Perhaps the marine has access to scanning technology that would allow him to
    store his wife's body electronically on a 200 MB disk. This reminds me of
    the question: Assuming the technology existed to determine the position and
    momentum of every particle in your body, and this information was stored say
    on some medium, and further that in the process of determining the position
    and momentum of every particle in your body your body was destroyed, and
    finally it was possible to reconstitute your body with each particle's
    position and momentum restored at the instant of reading, would you be aware
    of anything amiss ? (BBB's need not reply)

    Message: 76483
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:08:49

      Actually, you would be dead, but there would be a perfect replica created
    which would think it had always been you and that nothing was wrong.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76484
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau & Melissa
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:09:52

      Congratulations! And good luck.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 76485
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:23:04

      Actually the glasses just make everything look different. They also make
    it possible for me to drive all day without getting a headache from glare,
    etc. I only mentioned them because when I wear them it occurs to me that
    the world could just as well be the way it looks in the glasses and my
    eyes could be making it look different when I don't have the glasses on.
      I see life as something that happens for a short time and doesn't give any
    clue that there is anything beyond it. There are plenty of things I would
    like to change, and as Bill Burkett pointed out, some things are gradually
    changing for the better. Many other things are sliding into the toilet, like
    the freedom to make your own choices where they do not harm others, but if
    this life is all we get, I would rather try to enjoy it and do what I can to
    improve it realistically. Throwing up my hands and saying that we are all
    doomed as long as we have bodies just doesn't seem like a useful option to
    me.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76486
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger and Paul
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 16:06:10

    They're both being self-righteous, but Paul is less offensive to me because
    he admits that his religious beliefs are illogical (or "beyond human logic")
    and Roger doesn't.

    Message: 76487
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 17:23:53

    Hey, now there's an idea... I was thinking about mixing our names.  Dee and
    Harvey to come up with Hardy which was the street I used to live on.  But,
    nothing has been finalized yet.  I would love to drop Davis no matter what.
    My pen name, Mychele, has no last name so that really wouldn't be effected.

    Thanks again for the many kind wishes!

    Message: 76488
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Prohiboholics Anon.
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 18:35:07

    From Scientific American, October, 1990:

    Cannabis Comprehended
    The "assassin of youth" points to a new pharmacology

    Marijuana is celebrated--or castigated--for producing
    euphoria and altering perception.  But the cannabis plant
    has for centuries been used for its medicinal properties as
    well as for intoxication.  If it were possible to develop
    drugs that achieve marijuana's medicinal benefits but
    dispense with its mood-altering effects, they might make
    valuable additions to the physician's black bag.
      Cannaboids, the active chemicals in marijuana, have a range
    of physiological effects.  They combat convulsions and
    nausea, dilate the air passages in the lungs and decrease
    pressure in the eyes.  They can also kill pain and lower
    blood pressure.  But because of their side effects, the Food
    and Drug Administration permits synthetic cannaboids to be
    used only to suppress nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy
    and then only if other remedies fail.
      Researchers at the National Institute of Mental Health in
    Bethesda, Md., have made a discovery that could lead to new
    pharmaceuticals based on marijuana.  Lisa A. Matsuda, Tom I.
    Bonner and their colleagues have isolated and cloned a gene
    that gives rise to the receptor molecules that canniboids
    bind to in the brain.  The workers recently described their
    findings in *Nature*.
      Luck played a part in the discovery.  The investigators
    had been searching for receptor genes using molecular
    screening techniques, but they were not looking specifically
    for a cannaboid receptor.  When they turned up what looked
    like a novel receptor gene in rat brains cells, they
    implanted it in cultured cells and then tested the cells'
    responsiveness to various substances.  The last substances
    the group tested were cannaboids.
      The cannabiod receptor is distinct from other types of
    drug receptors in the brain, such as those that bind to
    opiates.  But like some other receptors, the cannaboid
    receptor is bound up with proteins in the cell membrane
    called G proteins.  These proteins relay chemical signals to
    the cell when their associated receptor binds to a target
    molecule.
      Cannaboid receptors presumably did not evolve for the
    pleasure of marijuana users.  It seems more likely that the
    brain produces a natural cannaboidlike substance.  That
    compound has not yet been identified, but Allyn C. Howlett
    of St. Louis University, who first found evidence for
    cannaboid receptors two years ago, says it is not one of the
    known neurotransmitters.  Miles Herkenham of the National
    Institute for Mental Health, who has mapped cannaboid
    receptors in the brain, finds they are particularly common
    in the hippocampus, a region involved in memory.

    ((continued))

    Message: 76491
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject:   to all
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 19:22:24

    Thanks one and all for the congratulations.

    To Ann:  I'm thinking of taking this opportunity to make a legal name change
    to:

    Reverend Beauregard Jackson Culpeper Dog, Colonel, CSA, retired

    Message: 76492
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael/RandP
    Date: 07/09/91  Time: 20:54:48

    I have no religious beliefs.

    Message: 76493
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/doomed bodies
    Date: 07/10/91  Time: 00:00:15

    Your message was well put.  I liked the part about throwing up my hands and
    saying we are all doomed as long as we have bodies of flesh.

    You should add, as long as we have bodies of heavy flesh and are confined to
    this or any planet of heavy mass.

    Speaking of heavy mass, somewhere around thousands of years ago the
    Superstition Mountain was an active volcano.  It is still considered fairly
    young ground.  It is still pushing up as I was told by a surveyor.

    The San Francisco Peak near Flagstaff last erupted in 1116 I believe.

    We could do so much more if not confined to a sort of a jail like earth and
    the physical body is.

    I think space will be more fun.  Being a proletariat is not much fun.

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