### Apollo BBS Archive - September 8, 1989

    Mail from Apollo SYSOP
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 18:02:11

    Washington...hu?   You BOOB!
                     Ha ha ha ha ha ha...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
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     1:He did visit Vashington, Costa Rica.  He lied to his mom and she in turn
     2:told me what she had heard and I in turn told you.  See how rumors get
     3:started?

    Message: 5875
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hathaway/JT
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 23:02:50

            Double Big, Big Deal Deal .................

    I was in the Northern regions and a cow-pie rich ranch this weekend.
    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3383
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 23:07:26

            Hiring a 'second rate killer' means the mafia will get James
    on the second run ...................

            One down, James, one to go ................

    Message: 3384
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: $#!+
    Subject: James
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 23:16:39

            By the way ........ welcome back from the 'Netherworld'.
    I can use as an excuse again as a cause for my miseries ........

    Your wit, your charm, your way with words, your magical touch (referring to
    the SLAM/DUNK in my garage) are the ingredients which make the rain cloud
    above our heads .........

    You are one of the few people I know who can not use the [T]hang! category
    and the [U]p Yours category in the same log in.

    Message: 3385
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: James/the hit
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 02:50:06

    I guess three hundred dollars was not enough money, eh?

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 60779
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on Drugs
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 03:15:05

    Actually, making drugs legal (as in passing law to allow their use)
    wouldn't change anything.
    It would go from drugs to something else.
    (Remember prohibition?)
    It would do a minute favor to some...those proponents and in favor
    of such legalization who are users would die off rapidly and we could
    turn around and close the books on the issue for good.

    Your last message here indicates a good sum of hate boiling away
    and being dished out in an attempt to offend. You failed to cause me
    any grief or rile any despise. But I question the Rod Williams who
    favors peaceful co-existance and mutual respect -- is this the same
    one who writes such hate-filled anti-religious propoganda?
    How does peaceful co-existance work into this current barrage of
    propoganda? Are you trying to flog religion into liking you
    or are you bashing Christians into loving you?
    Are people's ideals, thoughts opinions and make-up a part of
    your idealistic viewpoints on peace? Or do people need to change
    into clones of you?
    How do you propose to start making this a better world? By attempting
    to aggrivate?
    Interesting...Does this somehow tie into drugs ..? Which ones must
    I take to understand you?
            -Mike

    Message: 60780
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/sterility
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 05:23:33

    Who wants "sterile" hugs?

    Message: 60781
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/news today
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 05:27:47

    1. Absolutely no reason for putting a mild mannered person who is no danger
    to anyone in chains and legirons. It's the epitome of overreaction.
    2. Probably because the state is not receiving any revenue from the social
    gambling.
    3. Perhaps because he is doing the least damage when he is fishing. (I
    would rather see him fishing than making speeches telling us how he's going
    to spend $9 billion on a drug war without raising more taxes. What BS!)

    Message: 60782
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Taxes
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 06:14:00

            At least Bush asked that the $9 Billion would come out of other
    programs if Congress would cut the waste and fat from federal spending. NOT
    new taxes.  You are quite when Mofford wants 44 Million in *NEW* and added
    taxes on APS... and you know where that comes from...the rate payers.
    Mofford's TAX that does not seem to bother you, and would be MORE out of
    pocket money for *YOU* than Bush's request for $9 Billion to be cut from
    waste.
            Did you listen to the Democrat response to Bush's speech?  They say
    the $9 Billion is not enough and Taxes should be raised to get a BIGGER
    program going to fight drugs.  That Bush's program is just too small.
    Or did you turn off your TV when Bush was done?  What do you expect him to
    do?  What would you do if you were Mr. President?  (Tax the snot out of us)
    No matter WHAT Mr Bush does...it will be wrong...  It is a lot of HYPE for
    sure, but he means well and would like to get the country behind him on this
    fight.  With out the support of the populace, the fight will go no where...
    So keep being negative...turn the other way and Vote your party line. And
    guarantee this nation another decade of runaway drug use.
            If you ask me, it was a speech in hopes of rallying the people, and
    nothing more.  The above was JUST a Counter View on the subject and not ment
    to anger or upset anyone... It was said in a calm voice with a smile...
    (Happy to get the input)
            If ALL the politicians would go fishing instead of passing more
    stupid laws...we probably would be better off.  Good for Bush to lead the
    way. *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60783
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff on Bakker
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:17:34

    Actually, Jimmy boy doesn't need any 'weekly lessons from an acting coach'
    ..... he's already a great actor! He should win an academy award and Tammy
    should get one for being able to shed tears at any provacation. (and her
    wonderful, unique style of make-up!) -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60784
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jeff/Paul's wife?
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:18:30

    You've been hugging Paul's wife? Tsh, tsh. Does Paul know about all of this?
                                  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60785
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/60781
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:22:30

    I LIKED that post Pauly! Especially #2 - Ya hit de nail right on de head!
                                  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60786
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:26:37

    Hey Cliff - you might have just come up with the answer there. Lets make it
    a law that ALL politicians automatically get free fishing licences for life
    and it be mandatory they go - at least six months of the year. Heck - the
    tax payers could even provide boats - big boats so a lot of them could go at
    one time. That would include fishing gear and camping equitment too. Great
    idea. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60787
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 10 Commandments
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:43:23

    The Commandments have certainly had their place in the progress of mankind,
    but not ALL that much in my opinion. I believe that man would still be in
    just about the same stage of development as he is now without them. Do any
    of you recall the Polynesians?  You know - the civilazation that the
    Christian missionaries completely ruined - destroyed? They had never heard
    of the 10 Commandments or anything like them - yet they got along fine, was
    a very 'kicked back' society. No murder, robbery, rape etc. It took the
    Christians to make them see the error of their ways!

    Athiests and Agnostics do not believe in them, yet I do not see them running
    amok. A thinking person will know when they mature what it takes to get
    along in the world, makes them happy and creative. Our prisons are full of
    Christians - where did the morals of the Commandments do anything for them?
    For that matter, what has other religions that have their own set of rules -
    like the Muslums (sp?) - the Hindus - the Buddists - make any difference
    either? Man is born with inheirent potential  to be good or evil - 99% of
    the time he chooses good because it 'pays off' more than evil! It makes him
    happy!
    Just think - if there hadn't been any Christianity, all those people
    wouldn't have been killed during the Inquisition and the Reformation - or
    right now over in Ireland! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60788
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Insurance
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 07:45:15

    Why did the government make it mandatory to have insurance and now they
    are looking for a way to curb the rates? Isn't this like shutting the barn
    door after the horse got out? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60789
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod #60749
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 08:31:22

    "Atheists or agnostics do not or can not have these problems.  These two
    groups recognize that all are brother and live accordingly."

    Since you are more influenced by Christianity than most Christians are, you
    aren't really in a position to speak for ALL atheists and agnostics.

    Message: 60790
    Author: Steve Hodode
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: guns
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 09:06:07

            The right to bear arms is one of our constitutional
    rights. If this is to be changed we should also change the
    first amendment and close down the libraries.
            The use of firearms in the commission of a crime is
    most probable very minor in relation to the number of fire-
    arms owned in the USA.
            But the information contained in books such as
    POOR MAN'S JAMES BOND -VOLUMES ONE, TWO AND THREE are just
    as dangerous.  These books tell you how to make and use the
    chemicals of world war 2. They tell you how to make ricin
    a poisonous substance found in castol oil seeds. This
    substance can cause inflammation of the respiratory or
    gastraintestial track. So the next time you have a cold
    or allegeric reaction someone may have shot you with out
    firing a shot.

            Anyone using a gun is a person reacting to his
    environment and not a person using his head to get
    the reaction he wants.

    Message: 60791
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Polynesians
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 10:09:24

            They were brutal...and they did murder before they met the white
    man.  Read about Easter Island... and Hawaii... and MANY other Polynesians
    cultures.  Good Grief Ann!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60792
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike Carter
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 17:46:44

    If you or anyone else reads hatred into my messages then all I can say is
    look into your own heart.  That is the ONLY place it is coming from.  I
    write good humored messages.  Sorry you can't handle them.

    Some of the most prominent people of this nation are in the illegal drug
    business.  Their lobbyists do whatever is necessary to keep them illegal.
    Watch this nation go down the tubes on an economic level.   -Rod

    Message: 60793
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael James
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 17:51:26

    But I know all 12 of them.

    Message: 60794
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Polynesians.
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 19:44:15

    Obviously, you've never met a mad Tongan.

    Pray you don't.

    Message: 60795
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/60750
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 19:57:25

    Slow down there a minute, Rod.  I didn't call YOU a straw man.  I was merely
    pointing out the fact that you continually portray God (and/or Jesus) in
    ways in which I find totally offbase.  In effect, you build a straw man and
    knock him down. Hence, my phrase, "Straw man, straw man...  let's knock down
    the straw man."

    Message: 60796
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Phoenix Gazette
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 20:02:41

    Phoenix Gazette, September 8, 1989, has an article on the front page about a
    Bill Nalder who returned $2500.00 which was found outside a bank.

    Incidentally, Bill Nalder is my father-in-law.

    Message: 60797
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 20:53:10

    Re:  "No matter WHAT Mr Bush does...it will be wrong..."

    Hey, I get that same feeling every time I hear the Democrats comment on what
    Bush is doing.

    Message: 60798
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 20:58:33

    Re:  "Incidentally, Bill Nalder is my father-in-law."

    Give Bill my congratulations for being an honest man.  The world needs more
    people like Bill.

    Message: 60799
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Silent users...
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 21:12:54

            Here is your chance... All you silent users who have wanted the
    board all to yourselves... SPEAK UP!!!!

            Yes, We here at Apollo would love to hear from you.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60800
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 21:30:33

    Okay, I'm slow.  The people of the Christian religion have a book that was
    written over a thousand years ago by people less knowledgable than our
    current generation.  The book was put together when the people (not
    necessarily the scientific community) thought that earth was the absolute
    center of the universe.  And those who thought different, when found out,
    were quickly put to death by the religions community.  I could go on and on
    about that subject but I will spare you for now.

    The book in question was written in that basic period.  Then it was
    written in other languages at a still later time.

    This book is what Christians base their faith upon.  Back then, according to
    this book, the God frequently talked and sent messages to the people of this
    planet.  Of course, by some strange coincedence, nothing has been heard
    since, save for a deformed yucca branch and a tortillo, among other like
    items.  Hmmmm.

    Science marches on and on and on.  Die hard religionists still keep the
    faith until their body and brain die.

    I am aiming my messages at those who have not been 'taught' from childhood
    or became brainwashed later on or even needed a crutch.  Believe me there
    are much better crutches that feel much better and I am not talking about
    drugs.   (next)

    Message: 60801
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 21:37:56

    When I write I am doing so for my own benefit.  I save every last message
    that appears on this system.  I am writing for myself for some future,
    unknown, date when I will do something with my messages.

    I need to write.

    You will, at least, admit that my last series of messages have not been
    redundant.  In fact I have enjoyed writing each and every one.  And I add
    that there is not one drop of hate in me when I am writing them.  I look
    forward to finding my next 'idea' to write about.  It thrills me.

    I have noticed that some people see hate in my messages but that hate is
    what is in their soul, not mine.  It is their, I belive, own hate welling up
    when they see something that was designed to make a person think and
    question their own feelings.

    In any case, I am toying with doing a My Dinner With....Jesus and later on
    Mary, and even a dead yucca branch.  But I have to at least have one or more
    points in the message.

    Thanks for your reply.  I know within myself that I am not a straw man and
    the though does not bother me.  I have been called much worse by people of
    the religious nature.  Take care, say hi to Paul.  Page 2.
    Message: 60802
    Author: Jed Clampett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 21:52:53

    I think you will find that religion, like politics, is merely a pretext for
    arbitrary persecution and other evils.  Evil people simply want to be mean,
    and since one excuse (as silly as they all are) is as good as another to
    them, we would have had as much violence without religion as with it.

    I should say that, obviously, religion and politics are by no means the
    exclusive domaine of troublemakers.

    Message: 60803
    Author: Jed Clampett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: TEXAS
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 21:54:08

    Texas is the land of cowboy pinheads.  They should all be sent to
    concentration camps.

    Message: 60804
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod...
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 00:34:44

            But the MORE I think, the more I see there is a God.  You do HATE
    this type turnabout, or why would you HARP on Christians so much. If I was
    not a Christian, and believed this board had a cause...it would NOT be up.
    This is a FACT you can't argue.  The only joy you seem to display, is of you
    trying to make Christians feel bad... To bring them down to your level one
    might say.  Again, you are a negative, angry old man with a lost soul, and
    you want company.
            The Russian Government is an Athiest government... and are you going
    to tell me they don't kill people?  Look how they treat their brothers...
    You call that "harmony"?  These fact are well known, but you're blinded by
    so much hate against Christians, you can't or refuse to see.  You are so
    brainwashed you brush aside all this proof and all the posts the good people
    of Apollo have tried to help you with.
            Then you have the GALL to tell us you "THINK"?????
                            Sorry my friend, but we Christians of Apollo still
    love you as a brother...  (A lost brother)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60805
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jed C on Texas
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 00:38:15

            Pretty brave talk for a user who is afraid to use their REAL name.
    Freedom of Speech..... as long as you have a shield to hide behind.

            I don't mind handles, but I do wish you would pick one and stick
    with it!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60806
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on me
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 01:44:11

    You wish to avoid being connected with hate according to your response.
    Your claim is that whatever I read and whatever (if any) reactions
    I may submit are a product solely of my own. SOrry, this just doesn't
    cut the mustard. Communication between people rests not only on media
    but on inference, nuance and intent. You can continue denying the facts
    till you are 6 feet under. But it doesn't tarnish truth.
    Politicians like to spread disinformation and avoid the truth. It's
    the only way they can stay in office. You, much like them, have a habit
    of spreading disinformation and avoiding truth.
    It is a lie to say nothing was written with intent. Fact.
    It is a lie to say there is no underlying purpose when writing.
    It is a lie to avoid the truth.
    If you keep *everything* that is written on this board..use a good
    word processor..spend some time. The quote rings in my ear to this
    moment;
    Rod Williams: "I HATE GOD, I HATE JESUS AND I HATE RELIGION".

    Now, may I ask what is your purpose for writing negative and
    spiteful posts about religion? You've lied or have been reading
    some severely misleading articles about God and mankind and reposting
    your reactions recklessly on this board. Or is the truth something
    along the lines of another Rod Williams post...something like
    He "Hates" god for what (god) has done to him (Rod Williams) ?
    So Rod is on a bent to slandering and condemnming the innocent?

    Message: 60807
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: "Jed Clampet"
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 01:58:30

    The Beverly Hillbillies show must have affected his sense of
    person. He now imitates that which he for some reason despises.
    Thus another example of intolerance. This is why man cannot exist
    peacefully with man. "Jed Clampet" singles out a section of the
    United States of America as containing inhabitants of a geographical
    cess pool that deserve death and torture because of his differences
    with them. Hitler singled out anybody outside of Germany as his
    enemy. The Jews received extra special attention because he had a
    childhood gripe and run-ins' with them. So they suffered.
    The State line, to this bonehead, defines a barrier. The difference
    between right and wrong is soley sequestered from his opinions
    and the "line of death" becomes an icon for his hate.

    Wonderful, isn't it? This specimen of outside human behaviour is
    another fine example of why wars start and people resort to violence.
    Maybe a harmless post. But this specimen user logged in and vented
    blindly to several people. No care whatsoever. No fear of reprisals,
    no responsibility or accountability. Cheap.
    Worthless. Spineless and it proves that these cowboys of his have
    more character and more backbone. I'm no Texan by a long shot,
    but I think after reading that post that this chicken was
    plucked by some cowboys and can't stand up like a man/woman
    and speak truth. Instead, the specimen hides behind a wall of feathers.
    All the Texas boys I've ever met put their beefs on the line, up front.

    Message: 60808
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/atheists
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 02:56:45

    Are the Russian atheists a lot like the white Baptists in the south.  Do
    they wear white sheets at night, make their black brothers ride in the back
    of the bus.  And won't eat in the same restaurants as they.

    I have no hatred in my body.  I just love you guys so much that I want to
    see you start thinking for once in your life.

    Remember, a theist is someone who believes their myths are true and atheist
    are people who know their myths are a lie.

                                    Rod

    Message: 60809
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 09/09/89  Time: 02:58:58

    I hate God, I hate Jesus, I hate Joseph, Mary, Mom, apple pie, milk,
    generals, used condoms, industrial waste, ocean dumping, faggot haters, and
    most of all..............co-dependent Jesus freaks.

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