### Apollo BBS Archive - July 5 - 7, 1990

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            07/05/90                Tax support of baseball?

    Just how bad do you want a National Baseball League for Maricopa County?

    [A] I am for a quarter-cent sales tax to finance a stadium.
    [B] I am against sales tax to finance a stadium.
    [C] I don't care.

    How do you vote [A-C] or [CR] to abort:B

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 2    [B] 12   [C] 2

    *=* Post Office entered *=*

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:02:18

    Well, I will need someone to stuff the sausages.  Actually, I've changed my
    mind; I'm going to open a coffee shop in Dusseldorf.  I'm going to set up
    chess sets on the tables that line the front windows (though during the
    better days and seasons I'll move them out front).
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I'd like to open a Marihuana stand in Amsterdam.  Care to join me?

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:04:47

    How did you come out ahead in capitalistic dollars?  I'm not altogether sure
    what you mean.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I made a lot of money in my endavor.....much more than the amount I
     2:mentioned.  Besides it was a thrill while it lasted.  I was keeping the line
     3:of supply open while bringing prices down in a large area.  I served my
     4:clients well.  I ran the business as I do my locksmithing, prompt and
     5:efficient and good prices.  I was liked.
     6:
     7:But I knew it had to end and in a way I wanted it too but I had to try it
     8:for the experience.  There were many who were in line to take over for me
     9:and many did and will continue to do so as long as there is a demand.

    Mail from Bill Burkett
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 08:47:17

    I just hate to see anyone with something to say, and the wit to
    say it with, get bogged down in personal conflicts that blind
    those on the periphery to the points being discussed.  (What an
    ugly sentence that was!  Adkins, er Beck could have written that
    one.)
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I'll take your much appreciated advice.  Good point.  In every life there
     2:are the high points as well as the low ones.  Life is like a current flow
     3:complete with peaks and valleys.  I'll try to be more aware in the future.
     4:
     5:                                Thanks,
     6:                                  Rod

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    Message: 67187
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Roger/algebra
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 00:07:07

    huh?  What does that have to do with the original relation?  You're going to
    have to spell this out.

    Message: 67188
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff/Algebra
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 06:32:34

    I don't understand. The answer I showed you is the next step of the
    solution. Perhaps I didn't understand the question.

    Message: 67189
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa on gays
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 06:50:13

    I don't think gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. But anyone that
    is - is at risk to get the disease. The cartoon was aimed at gays is all. If
    they want to stop it from spreading even more, they must take some
    responsibility.  -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67190
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Baby / 25th
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 07:44:36

    Why is that, Rod? (Or should I ask? *grin*)

    Daryl

    Message: 67191
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/Algebra
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 08:11:27

    To do such a simplification, the first step is getting the denominators the
    same -- otherwise you can't do addition or subtraction of the terms.
    Multiply the first term by 1 (the only legal thing to do...) but make it
    take this form: (x^2 + 1)/(x^2 + 1)  or ... (x^2 + 1)(x^2 + 1)^-1;  this
    makes the denominators of the two terms equal.  The subtraction can then be
    done on the numerators, and everything will fall out.

    Message: 67192
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Star Trek, TNG
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 09:27:40

    Picard (or is that, THE Picard) won't be back this fall.  My theory is that
    because he's such a good actor (PBS type) he won't limit himself to one
    character for very long.  Hence, the need to zap him out of the show.

    Message: 67193
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:11:19

    Re:  "AIDS happened to get to the US through the gay community but it is NOT
    a gay disease.  AIDS is transmitted through blood and semen and you can get
    it through any type of intercourse, even in the missionary position."

    What difference does it make?  OK, let's call it something else.  Let's call
    it VD instead.  The fact remains that anytime the word "AIDS" comes up, the
    first thing everyone thinks of is "homo".  The fact remains that more
    homosexuals have the disease in the USA then any other group.  Everyone
    knows how to prevent AIDS.  So why are people still getting it?  Why do the
    homosexuals have such a push on to find a cure when they already know how to
    prevent it?  It's difficult for me to feel sorry for them.  There are
    innocent people who get AIDS through no fault of their own.  I do feel very
    sorry for them.

    Message: 67194
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:12:06

    Rod, you sound like a man who is kind to animals!  How come you are mean to
    us Christians?

    Re:  "Hair came about as a survival mechanism and has served animals well
    during our short history."

    Well, that's just it.  We don't have any history or evidence that humans
    were once covered by hair.  It is a fine sounding idea, but it holds about
    as much water as the idea that all were once bald.  You see, all animals
    (and humans) had no hair at all except for a little tuft on the end of their
    noses.  Now we all know how the theory of evolution works.  After several
    billions years, the animals' hair spread all over their bodies.  We humans,
    on the other hand, had very little luck with spreading hair and only managed
    to get it on the top of our head and a few other places.  I'm not sure why
    it quit growing on the ends of our noses.  Hmmmmm?  I agree with you about
    shaving too.  I grew a beard when I got out of the service, but my wife said
    she wouldn't kiss me anymore if I didn't cut it off.  I am weak, so I cut it
    off.  I've also tried to convince several lady friends of the futility of
    shaving certain areas of their bodies but to no avail.

    Message: 67195
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:13:15

    Re:  "Quick, quick! Rod's coming! Hide the cat!"

    Now I want you to know that I am very partial to cats.  We have a black cat
    named Spunky.  He acts just like a cat.  I can sit in my chair (I have a
    special chair that no one is allow to sit in except me), and call him, and
    Spunky will stop whatever he's doing and come jump in my lap.  Well, that's
    not quite true.  I usually have to chase him down and hold him in my lap by
    force.  He is very clever though.  He will pretend he is relaxed and
    enjoying my lap, but if I lower my guard, he will take off like a bat out of
    you know where.  I've noticed it is getting harder and harder to catch him.
    We also have a dog named yogi.  He is a puddle and I hate him.  He knows it
    too.  If I walk too close to him he will run away.  I don't know why.  Maybe
    it is because I kick him whenever he's within reach.  I would like to get
    rid of him, but he is the wife's dog.  I remember once trying to kick the
    dog, he is getting so fast, I missed the stupid dog and kicked my oldest boy
    instead.  It made him cry.  I felt bad about that.

    Message: 67196
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:14:13

    Re:  "But what is a Thornburg?  Does it have fur?"

    Only a little tuft on the end of my nose.

    Message: 67197
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:14:34

    Re:  "the Apollo B-Day GT on the 28th of July!"

    I've got it on my calendar Cliff!

    Message: 67198
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:15:04

    Re:  "I am not prejudiced againt gays in the least - to each his own, but I
    cannot believe that they preform the normal sex act and this is why AIDS is
    with us. Are they trying to get us to believe it's normal? Any comments?"

    Everyone knows what causes AIDS.  So, what's the problem?  The homos are
    playing Russian Roulette, and yet they cry when they get shot.  If I burned
    my butt every time I sat on a hot stove, it wouldn't take me long to stop
    sitting on hot stoves.  Only an idiot would sit on a hot stove and cry cause
    he gets burned.  If you dance to the tune, you have to pay the fiddler.

    Message: 67199
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Esperanto
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 17:19:18

    I know what Esperanto is, but now I've heard something about Lojban.  Does
    anyone know anything about Lojban?

    Message: 67200
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Star Trek: TNG
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 21:29:50

    Hmmm, interesting thought.  This is a neat way to write Picard out of the
    weekly episodes, yet, perhaps keep him around as "Locutor of Borg" in
    regular guest appearances.  Either that, or Picard's mind proved to
    resistant to the Borg, and they quickly constructed/replicated another
    Picard, to fool the Enterprise.

    Either way (any way, actually), it is a great cliff hanger.  I hope they
    don't blow it in the next season, though.

    Michael "Fire all Photon Torpedoes" Kielsky

    Message: 67201
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann, Gary/ Aids
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 21:40:43

            It is true that aids is spread thru heterosexual contact, I hear,
    but the heterosexuals probably contracted it from an "AC-DC" type who got it
    from a homosexual, right? I'm no expert on this, but I think Ann is right.
            Also, why do aids infected people have such rights to privacy, when
    a person with the clap or some other VD has to list all his contacts for the
    past couyple of months, and they'll be contacted by a disease control
    doctor?
            Does this make sense, or do I not understand it?  --John C.--

    Message: 67202
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lojban
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 23:01:24

    Lojban is a recent project, patterned after Loglan.  Loglan was a logical
    language, meant as an experiment to see if it could set thought patterns
    into a logical form, or something like that. Anyway, the inventor decided it
    should be the international language, and there is a center (I think in
    Florida) which will sell you information on the language.

    Lojban was created over the last several years, I think mainly by a group in
    the DC area.  I heard that the Loglan people were suing them for copyright
    violation.  Lojban is supposed to be much more easily generated (the author
    of Loglan admitted that it could take him hours to come up with a sentence),
    and an article that I saw one supposedly had a few people sitting around
    speaking the language over pizza and beer.

    A friend of mine in DC has a friend who is involved in Lojban.  When I was
    there in June, I was promised more information.  I guess that I should
    e-mail my friend to prod him.

    Message: 67203
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Schools
    Date: 07/05/90  Time: 23:43:31

    Well today I visited GCU, and I was impressed. I applied there, and
    hopefully they will accept me.
    I thank everybody for helping me change my mind, You were all right, and I
    was WRONG.
    Who knows, I might even become a practicing cristian again, because religion
    is a big aspect with GCU.
    Like I said, I thank you all for all that input about DV, and not letting me
    make a big mistake, and wast 3 years of my life on a worthless education.
    THE MAD MAX

    Message: 67204
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 00:50:57

    A round of applause for you!
    Great going and good stuff. Now you have made a very positive
    first step, the right one and you can make many more from it!

    The doors open to those who seek. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and
    ye shal receive it. Leave no stone unturned and nothing will
    evade you.

    Learn and make friends.

    Message: 67205
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on Air Quality
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 01:06:52

    Air quality is a farce. I don't have those figures handy with me
    from that post awhile back, but I believe the average takeoff consumes
    900 lbs - 1600 lbs of fuel depending on weight / engines (size, number
    and thrust), air temp, wind and a whole bunch of niggeldy piggedly stuff
    that we wont go into. The average flight consumes a little over 27,000
    lbs (I'l have to re-check all this as it's been quite some time..)
    of aviation fuel...which fortunately is high Octane. The AVGAS mixture
    contains all kinds of benzene, lead and Kerosene which gives you the
    black smoke and soot on the engines.
    On take off, that rolling 15 ton cigar canister is spewing out
    190,000,000 cubic feet of exhaust per minute. And we have this
    doddling cart wagon of bitching bag ladies who are unctuously pointing
    their fingers at single person cars on the freeways.

    20 takeoffs later, you can $--T-can those 390,000 vehicles on the
    freeway per hour.

    Now girls and boys, don't forget our 15 ton sardine can is still
    blowing consumed avgas into our atmosphere..only this time its at
    29,000 feet ... where that nice 12 tons of consumed solid matter will
    deposit itself where it can do the worst dammage..into our rain clouds
    and on up into the jetstream where it'll bombard your crop of pistachios
    next year. So next time it snows, dont stick your tongue out to catch the
    flakes unless you like the taste of kerosene.

    Message: 67206
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff-L/Mad-Max
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 01:24:44

            Congrats to you sir!  I think you have made an excellent choice and
    will be on your way to great success.  Live long, and prosper Mad-Max!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-     (-:

    Message: 67207
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:22:01

    Ah well, I'll figure it out from first principles -- sometime when I'm in
    the mood.

    Message: 67208
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:23:53

    I'll give it a try.

    Message: 67209
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Picard
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:25:11

    Yes, he's such a classic Shakespearean actor that he's doing voice-overs for
    Pontiac commercials.  It's the fine scripts that draw him back, you know.

    Message: 67210
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Grand Canyon College
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:29:00

    Hmmm...now, is it just Mike, or does everyone else consider GCC a step above
    Devry?
    And I'd like an agnostic or atheist point of view.

    Message: 67211
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 02:51:16

    Just so.  Thanks very much; it's quite clear now.

    Message: 67212
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/algebra
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 07:44:17

    My pleasure.

    Message: 67213
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GCU
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 07:46:28

    Grand Canyon University -- I'm sure that they give one a more diverse
    background than Devry.  I don't know if their CS program is any better.  I
    wouldn't be surprised if their cost wasn't equal to or greater than Devry --
    I understand that they are pretty expensive.

    I also hear that an awful lot of the kids there are pretty screwed up.  They
    get sent to a Christian school to 'set them straight', don't you know.

    Message: 67214
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John on AIDS
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 08:52:22

    Re: "Why do AIDS infected people have such rights to privacy, when a person
    with the clap of some other VD has to list all his contacts?"

    Boy, you've got me! I'll never understand that one. AIDS is a disease that
    can be spread to anyone. They don't even let lepers roam around even when in
    a remission stage!

    Another thing that has puzzled me - if AIDS isn't that easily contacted, why
    do doctors & nurses wear gloves and masks while treating the patients? Even
    most dentist wear gloves now days.

    Too many un-answered questions. It is a major disease, yet we're all
    expected to act like it isn't there or something least we offend the gays!
    As I said "I don't get it!!??" -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67215
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GCU
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 10:33:56

    Well BD, I don't know about screwed up kids, but they arn't going to keep me
    from learning, which will be my choice, not theirs.
    Yes as far as price goes, they charge $152 per semester hour, but they are a
    private school with 1800 students max., class size of appx. no more then 40.
    With dorm room, it will cost the VA $8996 per year for 4 years to put me
    through school, not counting books and supplies which they also pay for.
    I got a complet tour of their campus, especially their CS department, and
    ALL the equipment I saw was brand new, half of it still in boxes, they just
    purchased 40 new computers.They also have a VAX 11/750 mainframe on campus.
    They teach All aspects of current CS, such as computer information systems,
    LAN's etc.. Every school has good and bad point, some more then others,but
    I'm shure I will be getting a well rounded education.
    I am not a practicing cristian at this moment, but I do like the aspect of
    taking some bible courses, and maybe getting a little more purpose in my
    life. What can it hurt? Knowledge is power, my father always told me, any
    kind of knowledge.
        THE MAD MAX

    Message: 67216
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: GCU
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:28:39

    I know a lady would works there in the counseling department.  That's about
    all I know about it.

    Message: 67217
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John C. / Aids
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:48:50

        If I am not mistaken, the high percentage of heterosexuals infected with
    the AIDS virus are intravenous drug abusers. Someone who is shoots up
    probably doesn't care whether the person he/she is sharing the needle with
    is straight or not.

    Daryl

    Message: 67218
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beaudog / Lojban
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:50:46

        Let me know when you get the information. I would be interested in
    looking it over.

    Daryl

    Message: 67219
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa / Last
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 12:54:28

        What does she have to say about the supposed high percentage of screwed
    up kids?

    Daryl

    Message: 67220
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on AIDS
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 14:10:11

    My wife is a nurse, and she comes in contact with bodily fluids daily. It is
    not secret that the AIDS virus can be transmitted through bodily fluids
    entering the body of another person through a break in the skin. It cannot
    be transmitted by casual contact. I think you will agree that nurses,
    doctors, and dentists have more than casual contact with you.

    Message: 67221
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Computer Science
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 17:49:17

    Let us distinguish between CS (computer science) and CIS (computer
    information systems).  The former is a much broader area of study, which
    would prepare one to become either a systems programmer, an applications
    programmer, or a computer hardware engineer/designer, depending on what
    courses you choose within that curriculum.  CIS as I understand it basically
    prepares you to write applications software, primarily business oriented
    stuff, and is usually heavy on COBOL and that sort of thing.  Make sure that
    you understand the difference: if you want to write accounting packages and
    the like, then CIS is your bag; if you want to write systems software or do
    computer engineering, you had better opt for CS.  CS also requires a far
    more extensive set of core math courses.

    Message: 67222
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on AIDS
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 20:51:14

            Ann, you are right, and I appreciate your making the point. Frankly,
    I've been reticent to speak on this issue--there is so much smoke and steam
    and confusion from the "Gay rights" side that I kept thinking maybe I just
    don't understand the problem.
            You and Mike express what I feel.
            Why can't we quarentine people with contagious diseases for which
    there is no cure? And why not close down those establishments which seem to
    be focal points for the spread of the disease?
            Of course, I have no personal experience, but I've heard from the
    guys in the barracks that the MPs close a bar with a high incidence of
    spreading clap. How about bath houses?
            I'm not trying to be negative, I'm curious.   --John C.--

    Message: 67223
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max/ GCU
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 20:55:55

            Have at it, man, and more power to you!! The education you'll get is
    worth any amount of proselytizing they throw at you. And hey, Christianity
    is not really that bad, in spite of Rod and Jeff B. You might wind up
    learning all you want about computer science and also picking up a bit of
    love for fellow man and self esteem for Mad Max. Congratulations, and best
    wishes to you for a great career.       --John C.--

    Message: 67224
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl W./ AIDS
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 21:01:32

            So are we looking at an epidemic which spreads among queers and
    junkies (sorry, I meant gays and substance abusers) and we have to listen to
    "gay rights" group say that this is national, heterosexual, common problem
    for everyone? What about straight Mormons? What about married Christians who
    are faithful to their marriage?  Why do I feel that I'm being conned by a
    golden-voiced, honey-tongued, suede shoe homo con artist.  (Sorry, Melissa,
    of course not you.)

    Message: 67225
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Cummings
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 21:19:52

    Re: Why do I feel that I'm being conned by a golden-voiced, honey-tongued,
    suede shoe homo con artist.

            Funny, I have the same feeling...but you said it better then I
    could.  Love your posts!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67226
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: DeVry
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:09:49

    A DeVry story:
    2 of my cousins went there. 1 is handicapped. They encouraged him, and told
    him he would be able to get a job. After three years of hard studying, he is
    cleaning offices.
    The other cousin, went there, and got a job, in another state. And you have
    to take those jobs offered. If you refuse a job, they put you at the back of
    the list to look for another oppurtunity. He got stuck moving to Miami.
    And if you lose your job for whatever reason(not qualified), you are at the
    back of the line again, on their placement service.
    I considered going there, and AFTER my pell grants, It was still going to be
    over 10k a year, and that was 4 years ago. I think, after the payments made
    during school, I was going to be 24k in debt. A really bad start on life.

    Message: 67227
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tree
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:13:28

    How long has it been there? I wish the mulberry next door was in my yard. It
    is huge, and feeds on leakage from their pool.

    s

    Message: 67228
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Faggots.
    Date: 07/06/90  Time: 23:46:04

    Can you imagine how long a faggot of wood is?
    Now why in heaven's name would someone use such an obviously eloquent
    term used to describe wood for a gratuitously arrogant breed of
    rump-humpers ?
    How many faggots in a cord?  How many faggots to a ton?
    You don't hear people using that term lightly these days. In perspective
    its rather humrous. In Australia, they have a nick-name for rump humpers
    as they do in England; "POOFTER"...pr: POOF- TAH. Anyone using the
    term "POOF" was looked at strangely. The same with the word :
    "ROOT". Which is Australian slang for the act of copulation. Can
    you imagine what happened when I saw the "ROTO-ROOTER" van drive by and
    then later see the commercial?
    Can you say basket-case?
    Do you know how many times my eyes bulged when someone said they'd be
    "Rooting for me" on the side?
    Conversely, a casual term in Australia used to ask someone to awaken
    you if they're up first is : "Knock me up in the morning would ya?"
    I had some wary room-mates there for awhile.
    So. The point of all this is simple. The recipient in a debate or
    conversation, who receives a word he/she considers offensive, can only
    be the one to be blamed if the word is not given with the explicit
    intention of offending. The terms FAGGOT, POOFTA, QUEER and others
    can be used harmlessly...but if it were left up to those who draw
    offense from any use of the word(s), they wouldn't be in Websters.

    Message: 67229
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GCU/CIS/CS
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 00:49:07

    GCU does not offer a specific CIS degree, just CS, atleast thats what they
    told me when I got my tour of the campus. Your right, I thought about that
    and came to the conclusion that a specialized degree would limit my
    employment opotunities after getting out of school. That and many other
    facts listed here by the good folks on Apollo made me change my mind about
    getting a well rounded education, even the religious aspect of GCU.
    Even though I am not a practicing cristian, I do believe that bekieving
    something other that yourself, such as god or christ or for that fact
    allha or budda, any kind of religion or religious believe can only make you
    a more balanced individual, emotionaly, physically, and mentally.
    Most people don't realize how importand spirutal well being is. That is why
    atheists in a lot of cases have emotional problems, they have nothing to
    believe in. Eventually such a persons selfesteem equals 0, and a lot of them
    don't even realize this. Like I said I am not a practicing christian yet or
    may never be, but since I have started to believe in god, a recent
    development, my selfesteem rose 100%. My believe is only small and recent,
    but it has helped me so much, especially since my hard divorce and severe
    depression, that I have no other alternative but to think it is the reason
    for me feeling better about myself.
      THE MAD MAX

    Message: 67230
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings/GCU
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 01:39:20

    OR, he might end up with the misanthropic notion that his fellow man is
    doomed by the curse of Original Sin and with his self-esteem crippled by his
    daily reliance on a super-being.
    Just remember, Lochansky; men are vermin in the eyes of the Lord and only by
    debasing yourself before Him can you escape the punishment of eternal
    damnation.  Also, in dealing with non-Christians, keep in mind that they're
    all pawns of Satan, whether they realize it or not, and that all the Jews
    you've ever met are going to hell, because, after all, they have rejected
    Christ.

    Message: 67231
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lochansky/God
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 01:50:06

    A lot of *atheists* have emotional problems?  Is that why you can't find any
    atheists standing on street corners throwing pamphlets and screaming at
    passersby regarding their imminent descent into hell?  Is that why you can't
    find atheists looking up at the ceiling and talking to imaginary beings?  Is
    that why you find atheists looking for practical solutions to the problems
    of the world instead of sitting on their butts praying and hoping
    (fantasizing) about a better life in the next world?
    As for self-esteem...all I can say is, any self-esteem based on anything
    other than your own merits is sheer self-delusion.  Spiritualism is for
    primitives and weak minded moderns who can't come to grips with the reality
    of their own lives and who therefore turn to the safety and comfort of
    all-powerful parent substitutes.

    Message: 67232
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carter/words
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 02:18:49

    Well, I think what homosexuals find objectionable is the derision inherent
    in those words.  Just as blacks object to the term "nigger", hispanics
    object to the term "spic", women object to the term "bitch", and scholarly
    people object to the term "egghead", homosexuals object to terms like
    "faggot", "queer", and the like.  I can understand their objection, and in
    this case, feel that it is a greater sin to be needlessly cruel about
    someone's vices than it is to practice those vices.  More or less, anyway.
    I mean, I don't refer to the mentally retarded as "doofuses", nor to people
    with weak vision as "four-eyes", so why should I behave any differently
    toward other figures of pathos, such as homosexuals?  It must be dreadful to
    be so mentally ill as to consider the rectum a source for sexual
    gratification; I mean, I don't like getting feces on my hands, much less on
    far more intimate parts of my anatomy.

    Message: 67233
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: New Vote?
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 10:50:35

            To many of you $tatus Users are not [V]oting on the newest poll.
    There must be others out there that care what goes on in this Valley?
    I will post the question here, and just maybe you will go to the [M]ain menu
    and [V]ote your choice.   PLEASE!!!

       07/05/90                Tax support of baseball?

    Just how bad do you want a National Baseball League for Maricopa County?

    [A] I am for a quarter-cent sales tax to finance a stadium.
    [B] I am against sales tax to finance a stadium.
    [C] I don't care.

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 2    [B] 11   [C] 2

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67234
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John on quarentne
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:19:19

    I remember years ago when there was a polio epidemic - they closed all the
    public pools for at least a year until it died down. Also, the schools
    quit having groups of kids gathering such as in an auditorium - in other
    words, close quarters. If there was chicken pox, measles, whooping caugh or
    the like in a household, a quarentine sigh was put on the door by the health
    dept. We didn't feel the least bit intimidated or our rights violated. We
    had a feeling of responsibility towards our fellow man NOT to contaminate
    him! I see nothing wrong in that and it should be happening today. Maybe
    AIDS is not a high contaminating disease, but it is spread non the less and
    it is deadly - no turning back! I would want to know who has it myself and
    can make a judgement if I want to associate with that person or not. I'd
    certainly be careful if nothing else.
    I, in all honesty cannot say whether I'd want my kids going to school with
    another one that had it! Today, I don't think it would bother me, but then,
    I do not have kids in school! I think we are all a certain amount ignorant
    of the disease - but that includes the doctor's too! I do know one fact - we
    all fear it greatly! There is no doubt a lot of rumors that are not true
    about it. Facts: it is rising rapidly - it is deadly - it is basically
    throughout the gay community but spreading to the hetrosexuals very fast and
    I think it could wipe out the human race if it isn't curtailed! Until is is
    cured, we need to take responsibily upon ourselves to do what we can to stop
    it! If that means closing bath house, gay bars & meeting places, condom
    usage, screening every ounce of blood that is donated, then so be it!
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67235
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John on gays
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:30:09

    I was never bigoted against gays even when they were called 'queers, fags
    and lip wrists'! Never understood it! Was glad to see them come out of the
    closet so to speak. After all - to each his own and a person should not be
    judged by their sexual preferences. Who cares? BUT  - here this AIDS thing
    has raised it's ugly head and I'm almost afraid to say anything for fear I
    say something against gays and get reprimanded for being bigoted and not
    know what I'm talking about! I don't care what group of people are
    responsible - it's happening in the gay comnunity for the most part - they
    know it, you know it and I know it! They act as if everyone is pointing a
    finger at them for no reason. Why not point the finger if it's in the right
    direction? Case in point - that cartoon about bath houses! I found it to be
    truth and to the point. They must take their own responsibility - we can't
    take it for them! I tell you - I don't understand any of this!
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67236
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John #67224
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:31:16

    Bravo John. A good post. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67237
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 'Read my Lips ....
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 12:38:18

    ... no new taxes"????! HA! B.S.! In this mornings paper was an extensive
    article about the new taxes - sounded SOOOO good at first - tax the rich for
    a change - tax the poor less, etc. etc. But reading it farther, they are
    putting higher taxes on housing, corporations and cigarettes! Just a fallacy
    to get more for the coffers under a guise to tax the rich. Bah Humbug! 'He
    speaketh with a forked tongue!' Bush? Bush who? Howdy Doody more like it!
                                   -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67238
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/25th
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:21:09

    Because Saturn will be aligned with Mars with Juipter rising.  The same
    thing will be happening in our twin galaxy on the other side of the universe
    except in reverse.

    Then again, I'll never tell.

    My daughter, Christian is due on the 17th of July and my wife Jasmine is due
    on the 8th of July.  By golly, I think today is the 7th.

    Message: 67239
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BOB/various
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:30:23

    Good point about AIDS Bob.  Whenever I shoot-up I'm wearing a condom.  Now
    is that safe or what?

    As far as me being so-called "mean" to Christians, Bob, is because I love
    all animals, the human included.  In fact there is within me an equal love
    for all atoms in the universe and that is why you think I am being mean
    whereas I am only trying to help save the race from its folly.

    I am not lukewarm as your confusing book of Orders warns against, I try to
    help when I can because I have a big vested interest in the outcome of the
    human race.  This interest is always in the fore-front of my mind.

    And that is why you think I am being "mean".

    As for humans with hair then I think you missed it.  Our ancestors, the
    cave-men were hairy types but when they slit open and crawled inside a large
    dead animal it was an error that would have resounding consequences up to
    this day and beyond.

    Message: 67240
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Hair
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:31:37

    Check out Jeff Beck the next time you see him.

    Message: 67241
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:33:36

    Everone knows that AIDS was started by the Communists....err or wast that
    Drug Dealers?

    Message: 67242
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/air quality
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:41:48

    I'll tell you what gets me.  While driving down a street, any street, I'll
    see someone pushing a baby stroller complete with baby.  The avenues jambed
    with automobiles with their engines running, emitting all sorts of toxic
    waste including brake shoe lining and guess what the baby has to breathe
    from.

    We'd better hope that our children are capable of mutating FAST.  Comprendo?

    But in reality it is all of us who are breathing this same stuff even in our
    homes but it is when I see children that it is brought to the fore-front of
    my mind.

    Thanks for the information.  Of course the Air Travel industry is big
    business just as the National Dairy and Cattlemen's Industry.

    So, do we die with smiles on our faces and green paper money in our wallets
    or what?  Ugh.

    Message: 67243
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 13:50:36

    ANYONE, be they homosexual or hetrosexual who poke their partner in the
    waste door SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD get AIDS.

    To those who have it from that reason, better luck next time.

    ANYONE, who bypasses all bodily defense systems with a needle and injects
    some substance into their veins SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD get AIDS.  Better
    luck next time.

    And if there was a cure for AIDS it should not be given to either group
    unless they come to the complete understanding that it ain't good to go
    messing with Mother Nature.          _Rod

    Message: 67244
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Christians
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 14:22:40

    Well Jeff Beck, if you read carefully my post, I said I'm not a practicing
    christian. My father is jewish, my mother is catholic, my mothers parents
    were protestant. So you can see I was educated in numerous religions.
    I had my holy communion, and a barmizwa both, because the grandparents
    insisted upon it.
    Does believing in a higher being make me a moron?
    Since I am somewhat educated in the old and new testament, and for reading
    prefrance the old testament, I haven't made up my mind about christ yet, but
    I do firmly believe in a higher spirutal being, no matter what you want to
    call him,her or it.
    What is so terrible about believing in a higher being, if you are wrong, who
    is going to punish you when you die?
    So I wasted some precious thought and time.
    Will it make a diffrence when my time is up? About looking into the sky when
    praying, I never gave it any thought, about were I look, as a matter of fact
    I close my eyes when praying. Who is to say I'm really praying? I personnaly
    think I am communication with whatever I believe in. I have not gotten an
    answer yet, but that is what hope is all about. I guess we will all find out
    when we die, wont we.
    I do not sit around and try to pray the worlds problems away, I try to
    activly participate in any effort to change it, worthy efford that is.
    For one I don't know if I could be a good christian, I don't believe in adam
    and eve, nether do I agree with the pope on his stand about contaceptives.
    THE ( I guess I'm going to hell ) MAD MAX

    Message: 67245
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Terminal
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 15:31:22

    LSi  (ADM) Information Display (Dumb Terminal)  for sale...  $10.00

    Digital Correspondent (printing terminal)  for sale...  $10.00 also

    Mono Monitor (RCA) two wire Amber... $35.00

    Call me at 843-3346 if interested.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67246
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:47:20

    Re:  "When I was there in June, I was promised more information."

    I would be interested in whatever you find out.  Thanks!

    Message: 67247
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:53:47

    Re: "Why do AIDS infected people have such rights to privacy, when a person
    with the clap of some other VD has to list all his contacts?"

    Re:  "It is a major disease, yet we're all expected to act like it isn't
    there or something least we offend the gays!"

    There is the answer!  "least we offend the gays!"

    The homosexuals are the current "sacred cow".  If you offend them, you are
    in big trouble!  Just ask Andy.

    Message: 67248
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 17:58:41

    Re:  "sorry, I meant gays"

    The correct "word" is homosexual.  I see nothing "gay" about being in a high
    risk group of AIDS.  "Gay" is the word the homosexuals coined to present a
    more positive image to the public.

    Message: 67249
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:01:25

    Re:  "FAGGOT, POOFTA, QUEER"

    Mike, you got a real way with words.  I got a good laugh out of your post.

    Message: 67250
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:03:01

    Re:  "Is that why you can't find atheists looking up at the ceiling and
    talking to imaginary beings?"

    I thought you knew Rod Williams?

    Ha!

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 67251
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:05:10

    Re:  "homosexuals object to terms like "faggot", "queer", and the like"

    I'm sure they do.  Just like prostitutes object to terms like "whore".

    Message: 67252
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:07:45

    Re:  "putting higher taxes on housing, corporations and cigarettes"

    If there is going to be higher taxes, they should be on booze and
    cigarettes.  I don't use either one.  That seems fair to me  Ha!

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:
    s

    Message: 67253
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 18:10:23

    Re:  "Whenever I shoot-up I'm wearing a condom.  Now is that safe or what?"

    I guess that depends on what you're shooting up with whom?

    If everyone followed your policy there wouldn't be an AIDS problem!

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 67254
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Beck/GCU
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 20:46:44

            Remember, Lochansky, that man is made in the image and likeness of
    God, created bty God to enjoy the fruits of the world and attain eternal
    happiness, and man can screw that up only by trying to be a god, himself,
    insterad of acknowledging the Godness of God.
            Hey, Beck, do you still hold to the sanctity of life of all beings?
                                    -0--John C.---

    Message: 67255
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/AIDS
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 20:57:58

            St. Joseph's Hospital has a bulletin board which is often boring,
    but sometimes very interesting. They are now quoting the statistics of AIDS
    infection in the state of Arizona, as well as of the country. I recommend it
    highly, it is very informative.  The main gist of it, is that 88% of the
    Aids cases in Arizona (90%) in the USA) are in homosexual or bisexual men or
    intravenous drug abusers. Between 2% and 4% are in hemophiliacs who
    contracted the disease from a blood transfusion. Most of the rest are in
    people who have had sex with bisexuals or drug addicts, and some are listed
    as from "category 2 countries." I don't know what a category 2 country is,
    but I know that if 90 to 92% of AIDS cases (and 73% homo men) are from rump
    humpers (great term, Mike, thanks) or IV drug squirters, then I refuse to
    accept this as a "disease of all Americans!"

    Message: 67256
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/ Words
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:05:18

            Maybe prostitutes object to it, but us whores don't mind it all, ask
    any other politician.               --John C.--

    Message: 67257
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L/Wrong/punish
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:22:00

    You said: What is so terrible about believing in a higher being, if you are
    wrong, who is going to punish you when you die?

    Well, that last sentence was an exact quote of what you said.

    You mean that if a person is a non-believer and when they die they may be
    punished?

    Jeff, if all this stuff and all these people that you see around you was in
    fact created by some super intelligent entity and this entity would punish
    ANYTHING it made, ever, then something is wrong somewhere.  It could still
    be considered super intelligent but it could not be considered as loving.
    In fact IT could be considered as cruel.

    After all, here we would have something capable of creating other life
    forms, although not as of yet intelligent ones, and then because of an error
    judgement have them punished.

    If I am going to believe in a made up deity then thank you, I will believe
    in one that is into recycling AND one that has some very good measurements
    if you know what I mean.  Perhaps a Marilyn Monroe clone or something.
                                    Rod

    Message: 67258
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/your 67231
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:22:45

    A real classic and I enjoyed it as such.  Thanks for the well put together
    words.

    Message: 67259
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/die
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:26:07

    What gives you the idea that "we will all find out when we die."

    What you say may or may not be true.  Do you know something that I don't in
    regards to that matter?  You said that you have not received an answer while
    praying.

                                    Rod

    P.S.  Reading it in a book does not make it so.  :)

    Message: 67260
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JC/God
    Date: 07/07/90  Time: 21:30:56

    I have a higher I.Q. than God.

    By the way, how does one go about trying to take God's place?  Is it hard or
    easy?  Any clues?

    Could something that God created stand a chance of 'taking over?'

    Just curious.

                                    Rod
    P.S.  What do I personally have to do to be assured of eternal hell?

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