### Apollo BBS Archive - September 12, 1989

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    Message: 5886
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: All the above
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 05:40:26

    Go for it!!!!!!!!!!

    Message: 5887
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:10:56

    I'm not sure.

    Message: 5888
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: QMI/Slick-50
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:37:29

    Are these the same thing?  The syndicated car show on KFYI (by some guy
    out of Florida) pushes this stuff (or maybe the gas treatment) all of the
    time.  This guy does a lot of racing, I understand.

    Message: 5889
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:37:40

    oops

    Message: 5890
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 20:09:58

    I really don't know if they are the same thing or not.  In the ad it says
    that it uses PTFE resins to provide a one or two micron coating over the
    surfaces of the piston and other parts of the engine.  Therefore reducing
    friction, heat, etc.  These PTFE resins are supposed to be the 'slipperiest
    substance known to man'.  Who knows.

    Message: 5891
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last/slippery
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:37:37

    Even slippier than snot on a doorknob?

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    Message: 2468
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/bowing
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 09:07:48

    I will not be U.L.ing many more. Just got to stop all this art stuff and get
    busy with the housework. That will take all the ego out of my trip! Ha.
    BTW - I do think it will bring in other members that have VGA setups - I
    just joined JCCS BBS and U.L.ed the ocelot and got several responses.
    They ask where there could see more of my drawings and I of course said
    Apollo and they planned to come on over and see for themselves. As I said -
    VGA pix are hard to come by. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2469
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann on strike?
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 11:05:28

            Well, there is always the PHAntom ZONE for striking artists.

    I really do not expect you to U.L. every day.....  Not even every week....

    The ones you have U.L.ed are just fantastic...  And thanks!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 2470
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann...
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:41:32

    You're cruel... those people will probably get upset because they'll have to
    pay for $tatus in order to D/L your other drawings.

    Message: 2471
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last...
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:52:39

            Thanks Beauregard....  Talk about being cruel... sniff, sob,
    whimper.   Just maybe we could get a nice VGA club going over here at
    Apollo.  We sure could use a few more users to bolster the board a bit.
    I have lots of room for lots of SIGs and users.  I have pleanty of room for
    GOOD VGA art... not the crap stuff.  Ann's falls in the VERY good category
    from what I have seen.  If I was that interested in fine art, the Apollo fee
    would not stop me in the least.

    Gee, nice to know who your friends are... Are it not?

    Brokenhearted sysopie

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    Message: 401
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: The Plaque
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 14:51:25

            Is done and mounted...  It looks very nice...  So nice I want to
    keep it.. ha ha ha... No, I will give it when the time comes.  I gather the
    users involved wish to give it at his wedding time in November...????

            There are a FEW users who have not signed the card... PLEASE make a
    point to get this done soon....  If you don't wish to sign the card...let me
    know that too.

            Yes, we checked the spelling Guys!  "We" means Sandy and I.

    Whats next?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 402
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Next
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:12:25

    Well, I could get married just so I would get a plaque (or some drugs)

    Message: 403
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 18:14:19

            I didn't even get a Plaque...and I am the "Mighty" SysOp!

                            Stop laughing.... now!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 404
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Plagues
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:42:28

    We didn't give anything to Traci... the bubonic one is quite nice this year.

    Message: 405
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Traci
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 20:01:02

            But I did give something to dear Traci.....  It will be from APollo
    as well, since I am Mr Apollo *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

            The Gift to Chris was also...for ALL his wonderful help in the
    development of Apollo.  Without Chris, Apollo would not be what it is.
    The friends we have made might not have been made.  I think the small gift
    to Chris is well worth the friends we have made over the years...do you not
    agree?   Speaking for myself... Friends are more importaint than dollars.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*  <--- That's me!

    Message: 406
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Friends
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:40:15

    Give me dollars every time.  With dollars one can buy friends but with
    friends one cannot buy dollars.

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    Message: 60926
    Author: Jack Splat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bob Thornburg
    Date: 09/11/89  Time: 23:05:38

    RE: "There are a lot of wicked women who claim to be blonds..."

    Where?

    Message: 60927
    Author: Jack Splat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff's pets
    Date: 09/11/89  Time: 23:17:28

    You don't see humor in your fish or birds?  That is because you are not a
    fish or a bird.  Their humor is quite different from ours.  Well, actually,
    it is similar, but you just can't tell when birds and fish are telling
    jokes, since they don't roll around grabbing their little fins and feathers,
    making "ho ho ho" sounds.

    Most fish jokes revolve around the way humans look when they are gawking at
    fish in a tank.  Apparently, there is just something about our eyes that
    cracks them up.  Pond and stream fish, on the other hand, have a sort of
    gallows humor, most of it involving double entendre about fish lures and
    fish in heat.

    Birds, on the other hand, tend to be scatalogical.  There's this one joke
    about a guy who has driven his shiny new car down to the park, to feed the
    pigeons.  He happens to park under the power lines.  So, after he sits down
    and starts to feed the pigeons, some tough looking birds fly over and sit on
    the power lines above the guy's car.  After watching the guy for a few
    minutes, one of the birds saunters over to the guy.  "Hey man," he squawks
    in a menacing tone, looking over his wing in a meaningful way at his posse
    on the line, "have you got five bucks?"

    What, you've heard that one?

    Message: 60928
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Question?
    Subject: TRACI MARRIED ??!?!?
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 02:07:59

    SAY WHAT?!?!?

    Message: 60929
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last 100
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 02:10:48

    Only God has the patience. I don't.

    Speaking of patience...have you signed the recall ballot for
    the recall of $enator McCain yet?
    I don't know about you, but I don't like a politician who can be
    bought by a land developer and brush it off as heresay.

    Not to mention raping constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.

    Message: 60930
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Slick-50
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 04:54:08

    As you know, Slick-50 is supposed to deposit a layer of Teflon on the inner
    surfaces of your engine, thereby reducing friction. I have read some
    independent tests of the product, and the labs were able to confirm its
    effects. It may be that the effect is not permanent, however.

    Manufacturers may soon begin using a dry coating applied to internal engine
    parts. The benefits in reducing friction and wear are well documented, but
    the process is expensive at this time. Lorn Technical Coatings in Phoenix
    specializes in such coatings.

    Message: 60931
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 05:20:56

    "ALL our politicians are Christian" Ann Oudin 9/11/89
    I'm sure that Bert Kruglik would be interested to know that.

    Message: 60932
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 05:23:43

    Does God understand humor?
     I think that God has a marvellous sense of humor. Look at the long necked
    giraffe, the duck billed platypus, the hippo, you, me, Ann, Rod and a few
    others if you don't think so! (smile)

    Message: 60933
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 07:57:16

    Congratulations!  Your Salt River Project electric rates will go up next
    month (and then again in May), partly due to Arizona Public Service's
    inability to keep Palo Verde on line.  See?  You're not immune to Pinnacle
    West after all!

    Message: 60934
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bob/the Bible
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 08:42:43

    I have read the teaching of Christ in the Bible - they are clear and easy to
    understand. What I don't understand is 'stretching them' and then saying one
    is forgiven! Isn't a Christian supposed to do all they can to obey those
    teachings? Seems to me that forgiveness isn't the only thing they were
    written for. Getting along in this world is part of it too. Treating your
    fellow man as you want to be treated etc. What's the matter with trying to
    be 'perfect'? Of course one would fail - but the trying is what's important.
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60935
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/riches
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 08:51:23

    Simple Clarification: I believe churches should pay taxes - they should not
    buy apartment houses or costly retreats in the mountains for their own use -
    that is unless they pay taxes. I also believe that the churches should not
    provide ministers with their own houses free and clear. Perhaps a modest
    rectory on the primises is all.
    The 'evil' person that lived like a king that I talked about is a minister
    of a church and he is not evil! Just lives high off the donations.
    Clarification: I am a 'fake' evil blond! My hairdresser, my husband & family
    and my friends know this! Ha. Always have been - always will. I also have
    three 'fake' teeth too. However - other things are real! Heh heh heh.
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60936
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/60921
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 08:56:20

    You said a mouthful there and so true. I am also not lumping all Christians
    together - but I certainly do not understand this. The Baptist don't like
    the Lutherans - the Catholics don't like the Methodists - no one likes the
    Mormons etc. I could be wrong, but don't they worship the same God?
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60937
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Bert
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 08:59:20

    Pardon me - but who the heck is Bert Kruglik? I assume he is an athiest eh?
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60938
    Author: Alan Faber
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Slick-50
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 09:35:32

    This is purely an intuitive judgement, but for some reason, the
    manufacturer's explaination of Slick-50's workings reminds me of the
    double-bladed razor ads.  Anyone who is sappy enough to believe that one
    razor sharp blade pulls while the other one cuts, deserves to pay for that
    extra blade (that is, the excessive cost of this "superior" product.)
    Furthermore, if Teflon is such a fine lubricant, how is it that it can be
    "deposited" (i.e. stick to selective engine parts without any special
    process of application).

    Message: 60939
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: The TRUTH
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 10:29:10

            I think you Christians just aren't getting this.  You say that if
    people disagree about what the Bible says, go look in the Bible and see what
    it "really" says.  That be fine, if two people could look at the same verse
    and agree with each other on what it means.  Fact is, that doesn't happen.
            For example, the KKK will tell you that black skin was the mark
    placed on Cain, so all those with black skin are cursed.  If you press them
    on the matter, they will ferverently insist that that's what the Bible
    really says.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 60940
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: M.James on Paul
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 11:17:41

            I was going to tell Paul, But I did not feel like popping his bubble
    at the time.  Salt River Project customers are going to see a MUCH larger
    jump than APS customers are going to see.  Why, because they are not a stock
    holding type business and the only people to absorb the TAX cost by Mofford
    is the customer.  Pauls attitude that it did not effect him, so he couldn't
    care less made me break into a big laugh...as the report I read said
    something like SRP customers will get it 1 to 2 times as hard as APS.
            I on the other hand did care and wrote a letter to the authorities,
    while Paul whistled a merry tune and went on his merry way...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60941
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:02:06

    You idiot, Nazism is an abbreviation for National Socialism.

    Message: 60942
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:05:32

    You dolt, there are many non-Christian politicians.  What about Senators Joe
    Lieberman, Carl Levin, Rudy Boschwitz, Max Baucus, Warren Rudman, Frank
    Lautenberg, Howard Metzenbaum, Arlen Specter, John Chaffee, and Herb Kohl?

    Message: 60943
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:44:38

    Re:  "Yes, I too have noticed that a Christian can and will do absolutely
    anything and then justify the act with their Bible."

    I too have noticed that a non-christian can and will do absolutely anything
    and then justify the act with their non-bible.

    Message: 60944
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:45:58

    Re:  "You do read logic, don't you?"

    Logic?  Is that some kind of computer language?

    Message: 60945
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jack Splash
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:47:38

    RE: "There are a lot of wicked women who claim to be blonds..."

    Where?

    Ha!  Ha!  There might be one on this board!

    Message: 60946
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:51:01

    Re:  "have you signed the recall ballot for the recall of $enator McCain
    yet?"

    I didn't know one existed!  Are you sure you're not talking about Dennis.
    He's the one who is into land development.  Made quite a bundle I hear at
    tax payers expense.

    Message: 60947
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:55:47

    Re:  "Isn't a Christian supposed to do all they can to obey those
    teachings? Seems to me that forgiveness isn't the only thing they were
    written for."

    It seems to me that the problem you're talking about is not with God or the
    Bible.  The problem is with sinful man.  Like I said before, people will
    never make the level of perfection with or without God's help.
    For examples I will present Rod and Me.  Rod without God's help and me with
    God's help.  Why of course, we both try to be perfect, don't we Rod?
    Uh, Rod, don't we Rod?  Rod?

    Message: 60948
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 16:57:35

    Re:  "I am a 'fake' evil blond!"

    I promise to tell NO one Ann!  Even if they torture me!

    Message: 60949
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:01:18

    Re:  "I certainly do not understand this. The Baptist don't like
    the Lutherans - the Catholics don't like the Methodists - no one likes the
    Mormons"

    Hey, I'm a Christian and I like everyone.  I even like Rod!
    I probably couldn't really say I like Hitler.  Ok, I don't like Hitler.
    There are probably a few other I don't like too.
    Actually I probably dislike most of the same people you dislike Ann.

    Message: 60950
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:03:15

    Re:  "Anyone who is sappy enough to believe that one
    razor sharp blade pulls while the other one cuts, deserves to pay for that
    extra blade "

    All I know is that it shaves me a lot better than the single blade.  Whether
    one pulls and the other cuts, I do not know.

    Message: 60951
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:06:00

    Re:  "You idiot"

    I wish you would not call me names.  You make me feel bad.  I don't call you
    names.  I might punch you out though!  How tall are you?

    Message: 60952
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Slick 50
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:16:11

    I don't use it.  But I do have a carport in the shape of a pyramid.

    Message: 60953
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/Pinto
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:17:06

    I read your posts with interest.  From that information, the Pinto is no
    more dangerous than any other compact auto and perhaps safer than many.

    Good work.

    Message: 60954
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:17:30

    Yeah!

    Message: 60955
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/Bible
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:18:39

    You said it VERY well.  Good post.

    Message: 60956
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:22:51

    Do you suppose I feel crummy and am not doing well in life because I am not
    asking for the support of the Lord?  Huh?

    Message: 60957
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 17:24:21

    Dear Bob,

    In your humble opinion would you say that God loves Satan.  I really need an
    answer to this.

    Patiently awaiting your reply, I remain,

                                    So sincerely,
                                    Rod Williams

    Message: 60958
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT on Bob
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 18:27:46

    Re:  "You idiot"

            Well, that is JT...  It means he likes Bob!     Seriously JT, are
    you trying to lose credibility as an open minded journalist and an educator
    of the people.  The pen and free press are your tools...  Use them well or
    not at all.
            And use then in good health...  Punched in the nose by Bob won't
    help.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60959
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Poor Mike C...
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:36:04

    Congratulations and Good Luck, Traci and Ron!

    Message: 60960
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Question?
    Subject: QMI/Slick-50
    Date: 09/12/89  Time: 19:38:38

    Are these the same thing?  The syndicated car show on KFYI (by some guy
    out of Florida) pushes this stuff (or maybe the gas treatment) all of the
    time.  I understand that he is also involved in racing (and restoring).

    Message: 60961
    Author: Steven Bishop
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 60953
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 00:37:45

    Yeah, the Pinto is widely recognised as a safe design.  If I buy you one,
    will you promise to drive it?

    Message: 60962
    Author: Steven Bishop
    Category: Question?
    Subject: economics
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 00:40:53

    What would happen if private lotteries and raffles were legalised?

    Message: 60963
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steven/Pinto
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:43:04

    Sure, buy me one and I will drive it to the nearest "Cash for Cars"
    establishment.  Give me a Vega everytime, dude!

    Message: 60964
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Private Lotteries
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:44:24

    If private lotteries were legalized then idiots would be poorer than they
    are now.

    Message: 60965
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/JT tall
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:48:02

    I would say that JT was around 6'3 or 4' and weighs in the neighborhood of
    245-260 pounds, depending on how recently he's been to the bathroom.

    He smokes big black cigars, usually has a drink in his hand, and burps a
    lot.

    His physical appearance is nice except for the full length scar on his face
    going from his right ear to the nape of his neck on the left side.  He is
    not at all fat and looks much like a line backer for Green Bay.  No hanging
    fat there.

    Hope this helps in all your future decisions.

    The same,  -Rod

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     1:Well, as you can see I mentioned your message on 'morals' to Bob and he
     2:completely ignored it.  Logic is like light.  Plant a piece of logic in
     3:someone's gulliver and it acts like a screw.  Screws itself right into the
     4:brain and one day explodes.  -Rod

    Message: 60966
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Steve / Lotteries
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:56:19

    ...then there would be privately held lotteries and raffles.

    Message: 60967
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: OOOOOPPPPSS!
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 01:59:09

    PUBLIC APOLOGY:

    Senator McCain isn't the object of a recall....

    It's Dennis DeConcini...

    Just goes to show you I should stop staying up so late.

    Message: 60968
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Religion
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 02:19:55

    Well said.
    I personally don't think the message in the statement;
    "Christians aren't perfect..just forgiven"
    is beneficial at all.
    WHat you said about trying to follow Christs examples is 100% true.
    Jesus died to pay for mankinds sin. To sin and think it's already forgiven
    anyway is to tarnish his gift and spit in his face.
    Christians are people like you and Rod. The only possible difference
    is physical appearances, psyche, behaviour and one important and often
    misunderstood item: They have accepted Christs gift and by so he lives
    within them. No other differences.
    With Christs message and his spirit, people are armed against sin
    and blessed with his love and protection.
    Wether or not the Christian uses these "armanents" to avoid sin
    is still a choice he/she makes daily. They're not better, not perfect
    and certainly not idols to be worshipped on T.V.
    Free will is never taken away. This means Christians can,will and do
    commit crimes, sin and anything else you want to add.
    BUt to be judgemental of anyone, using race, religion or creed against
    them in words intended to inflict and label their (religion race whatever)
    as wrong, stupid, bad, dangerous (add your own adjectives here)...
    is the epitome of mankinds folly and ignorance.
    Poor families call rich families pigs, Rich families call poor families
    pigs. The Anti-religious are just as feverent as the Pro-Religious.

    Message: 60969
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod W.
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 02:38:34

    In my humble opinion I think God does love Satan. HE also no doubt
    hates the things he does and despises his efforts.
    God loves all of his creation. This doesn't mean we can attach
    humanistic values to what God does or doesn't do.
    As a Christian I can barely begin to fathom a grain of his creation,
    let alone try to second guess his "opinions" on what we as humans
    would see as a conflict or misconception.
    Satan was created by God. Satan was Gods "favorite" angel. God didn't
    create the sin, Satan went against Gods will and disobeyed or whatever.
    Gods creations were given free will. The only way you can GIVE
    something is not by force..but by your own free will. When love is
    given this way it is pure.
    So, ask yourself..."Why did God allow free will?"
    Think about it.
    That free will also allows us to go AGAINST him. It allows us to
    HATE him, despise him or whatever else you're into.
    To blame God for SIN is to ignore this fact.
    Free will. The ability to choose between right and wrong and do
    either. The ability to change our lives. It's more than a page of
    text..it's more than any man can write because it encompasses everything
    we do and don't do.
    With that free will also comes accountability and responsibility.
    Two words out of many that you wish to pin on other people who choose
    to love the God that is their Holy Father.

    Message: 60970
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 02:42:49

    Do you believe that God loves Satan more than He loves the human animal?

    Message: 60971
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Debates
    Date: 09/13/89  Time: 02:43:32

    The difference between a person of religion and an atheist in an
    emergency is that the religious will spend their time praying while the
    atheist will use theirs finding a quick solution.

    The religious think that their deity is on their side and is helping
    them.  The atheist knows they have to depend on their own abilities to
    help themselves.

    Just like in a good debate.

    If the professed religious think they are receiving help from their
    deities in these debates then why do the atheists come across better?

    Who is helping the atheist, Satan?  If that is true then Satan is
    smarter than God.

    Actually the atheist can come up with better logic and more striking
    messages because their minds are devoid of all the gobbledegook that
    goes along with religious dogma.

    Dean's messages, along with others, are a fine example of atheist
    minds in action.  Christians usually look to an outdated and untrue
    book for their answers and consequently do not fare very well.   -Rod

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