### Apollo BBS Archive - April 28, 1989

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3055
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:39:10

         You received yet ANOTHER Thang?  No way!  It wasn't me!
         What are the details?  Do tell.

    Message: 3056
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Zakey/last
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:12:37

    It's big! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3057
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:03:01

    If you ask me, we ought to go ahead with the general application of
    nonlinear spectroscopy of living processes, as the baseline for research in
    agricultural-related matters entirely.

    Message: 3058
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:05:05

            I'll second that.

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    Message: 58376
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan/faith
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 05:31:18

     Since you asked, I'll give you my perspective, although I expect that you
    will find as many reasons for believeing in God as you will find believers.
     For me, my faith is founded both in my Christian upbringing, and in the
    fact that God has proven Himself to be absolutely everything He has claimed
    to be, time and time again in my life, as well as the lives of those with
    whom I have come into contact who have embraced the same faith.
     I have seen God functionally in history, history that has been
    substantiated by archeology and other sciences, and I have witnessed the
    power and the love of God experientially in my life as He has revealed
    Himself in and through me.
     While I have never seen God in the totality of His being, (indeed, no man
    has), nor have I ever physically heard the voice of God, He has surely
    spoken to me many times and in many ways, and everything He has told me has
    come to pass or has benefited my life tremendously any time I have listened
    and applied His words.
     Ergo, I believe, nay, I KNOW, by faith, that God exists, and that He is the
    rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
     You may scoff or ridicule if you wish. I also believe that we will all be
    held accountable for every word that proceeds out of our heart one day, and
    on that day, all will be believers, some to rewards, others to judgement.

    Message: 58377
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Williams
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 05:40:41

    Your ignorance is so monumental as to be unworthy even of this response.
     What did the 10 year old boy do> He obviously ignored one of the most
    primary of rules, one that he was undoubtedly taught from early childhood.
    He ran into the street without looking. THere is absolutely NO spiritual
    application here. Why do you insist on taking even so sad an opportunity to
    hold the beliefs of others up to ridicule?
     You are a perfect example of a proctologist's nightmare, and the best
    walking around argument for retroactive birth control I know. Why don't you
    crawl back to Haight-Ashbury!

    Message: 58378
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg/58315
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:28:39

    RE:  "I take it you are a nonbeliever.  What else can I say?"

    How about saying "lame response"?  That seems to fit, seeing as how you
    didn't bother to reply to the rest of my message.

    Message: 58379
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Lippard's innocence
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 06:30:22

         For the record, Jim didn't really get hurt skiing.  Bad joke.  I made a
    bad joke.  He's in perfect health.  So I guess God'll get him later.

    Message: 58380
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Rod's posts
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:37:29

            They are getting profain again.... It is because of this kind of
    crap and insults that I wish to shut down Apollo... Hell, the good users
    have been chased away.
            Really now, this board looks SICK to a potential new user... with
    one post after another by Rod trying to knock down Christians.  No wonder we
    have no new members.  I even want out!
            I do not mind the religion debates.... but Rod can't hold back the
    insults...  He called me agnostic about a year ago, and I have had nothing
    to do with him since then.  I no longer go visit him or consider him a
    good friend because he overstepped his bounds.

    Cliff speaking here.....  Anyone else agree or disagree?

    Message: 58381
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/#58377 to Rod
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:52:54

    'Thems fightin' Christian words there eh Paul? And in another post you
    declared that we will all be held accountable for every word that we utter.
    Tsh. tsh. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58382
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zakey/#58379
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 09:56:56

    NO! But God will get you for lying fellow! I'll just have to send you
    another tutorial - this time, on how to be good!
    BTW - are you gonna stick around this time? -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. It was just the other day I was watching the tape I took (Nick took) of
    the the GT at Cliff's for Tom Slone - there's a great shot of your sneakers!

    Message: 58383
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:09:28

    I agree and disagree - what good users have been chased away? The ones here
    have been here for years and log in almost every day. Personally, if I was a
    first time logger and read the BB - I'd be thrilled at such controversy is
    going on about a varity of subjects and join immediately. You should check
    out some of the other BBS's and see what I mean. BORING! No one talks about
    anything but games or a few computer subjects. I doubt very much that anyone
    would log in from another city, muchless another state like JT does.
    Rod does not offend me - however, he does have his own sig. and should post
    there if there is a problem. He just got carried away is all. Please don't
    forget that Rod has kept this board going many times when it bogged down by
    introducing a controversial subject and NOT just religion either.
    Would you have us all agree with each other? Please think about this before
    you depart again. You have added fuel to the fire many times and we all
    enjoyed it. Isn't that what BBSing is all about? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58384
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul/the accident
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:19:34

    Why would you think there was no spiritual application to the boy's
    accident, yet you suggested it might be so with the skiing accident of Jim
    Lippard - however fake it was, you didn't know at the time?
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58385
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Agnostic
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 11:25:33

    Webster's new twentieth century dictionary, unabridged, 2nd edition,

    ag-nos'tic, n. one who thinks it is impossible to know whether there is a
    God or a future life, or anything beyond material phenomena.  The name was
    suggested by Huxley in 1869.

            I Know there is a God...I feel it.  I do not feel it is IMPOSSIBLE
    to comprehend this, therefore *I* am not an agnostic.  I resent highly other
    persons telling me otherwise.  Do I make myself clear?  I take calling a
    Christian an agnostic worse than calling him any other four letter word.
    When used in that content, I will consider it to be a profain post!

    There, there Ann....  I was upset by Rod's profanity, but then when one
    considers the source, an Agnostic, Commune-ist, Atheist...hell bent on
    spewing his anger at everyone because they are happy in their Christian
    beliefs... I did calm down and did not hit the big ZAP key after all.

    God bless all you users who put up with anti-Christian posts, and keep
    logging on Apollo.

    The SYSOP Family

    Message: 58386
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 15:17:06

      I think Ann said it pretty well. Anyone who would be driven away by Rod
    wouldn't have been any fun anyway.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 58387
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 16:59:48

    Just don't go pounding your breasts and claiming national implications.

    Message: 58388
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mormon/Christian
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:19:34

    Re:  "Who said that a Morman is not a christian?"

    I don't know.  I didn't say it.
    However, Mormons call themselves Mormons.  Christians who are not Mormons
    never call themselves Mormons, so when I said Todd was a Mormon and Paul was
    a Christian, I was just telling it like it was.

    Message: 58389
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan H.
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:21:43

    Re:  "So, to all you
    theists, why did you pick the Christian God in particular to have faith in?"

    It was the only logical choice.

    Message: 58390
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Shoot
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:23:10

    If Ralphy is going to shoot all the Christians, remind me not to come to the
    next "Shoot Out GT"!

    Message: 58391
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Truth
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:36:12

    Re:  "How can something that is based on faith be an 'Absolute'? Truth?"

    I don't know!  I didn't use the term "absolute" in my posts.  I just used
    the word truth.  What other kind of truth is there?  Lets keep it simple for
    my benifit.  Originally I was trying to make the point that truth is truth
    and false is false.  You cannot mix them up.

    As for your other questions, good grief.  Hypothetical questions only
    deserve hypothetical answers, right?  How do I know that Dick and Jane are
    not right?  I rely on my spiritual sense to tell me the truth.  Believe me,
    Dick and Jane and anyone else who believe in Allah are, wait a minute,
    believe in Allah for what??  You didn't say.

    Re:  "What if Jim Jones was indeed Christ"
    I can't believe you meant that as a serious question.  The guy was the
    epitome of evil.

    Re:  "Couldn't Jesus have decided NOT to die on that cross if He
    wished?"

    I suppose so, but he didn't.  Actually, Christ *didn't* want to die on the
    cross.  He made that clear in his prayer in the garden of Gethsemane where
    he said, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not
    as I will, but as Thou wilt."

    Message: 58392
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:39:59

    Re:  "How can a statement of preference be illogical?"

    Why is that hard?  For example, if I like Ice cream from "31 Flavors" better
    than ice cream from "McDonalds", it would be *illogical* for me to always go
    to McDonalds for ice cream.  That is, if I could afford the ice cream at 31
    Flavors.

    Message: 58393
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Logic
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:44:32

    Re:  "That's TOTALLY, TOTALLY, illogical."

    I can understand why you would say that.  It's right in the Bible.
    (Did I already say this once?  Stop me if you've heard it.)

    1 Corinthians 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
    Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
    [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

    It is only *natural* that you would think my belief in God is foolishness
    and illogical.

    Message: 58394
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:46:14

    Re:  "And by the way, when I hear of someone who has
    turned to religion after a personal tragedy, I mark it up to temporary
    insanity."

    What do you mark it up to when someone turns *away* from religion after a
    personal tragedy??  Hmmmmmmmmm?

    Message: 58395
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Accident
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 17:48:55

    Rod, I want to address your question, but I'm running out of time, and I got
    to leave on a trip in the morning.  I'll get to it sometime next week.

    Message: 58396
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:11:17

            You're lame and from the looks of it will remain so until the day
    your body dies.

    Message: 58397
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:12:03

            A person who turns away from religion after a tragedy would be a
    person who had some sense knocked into him.

    Message: 58398
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:16:56

            Hey, I'll gladly turn in my blue status and leave this system if it
    will make you happy.  In fact, the fewer posts that I see of yours, the
    better I feel.  It is relatively easy to blow you mind.  I said that you
    were an agnostic because you or any other Christian has no positive proof of
    the existence of a diety.  I still claim it.
            If you take a people from different parts of the world who hold
    their religions as truth and call them agnostic, they would respond in the
    same way as you.  Yet they believe in a completely different deity.  So, for
    you to believe you have the correct deity and not they, you would think they
    must really not know.
            In other words Cliffy, weak minds sink ships.

    *=* Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board entered *=*

    Message: 300
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: I think ...
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 10:16:35

    .. Paul Savage should be in this sig. Also, Bob Thornburg. Fun, fun fun.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 301
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Bob and Paul
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 11:27:05

            Invite them if you wish...

    Message: 302
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: God
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:17:42

            GOD IS A BLOODY FAG.

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