### Apollo BBS Archive - September 19 - 21, 1988

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    Message: 4245
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last few
    Date: 09/18/88  Time: 18:48:06

    O.K, Rod, we're waiting .

    Message: 4246
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:34:22

    You don't know what it means to suffer.

    Message: 4247
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/4242/4243/4244
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:28:30

    What about me?  Aren't I a good enough little boy for you not to have to
    worry about me?   Sniff*

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    Message: 4248
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Entertainment
    Subject: Nick/Utilities
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:30:40

    There is a mountain of $#!+  that APS us doesn't tell us!!!  SOME GOOD!
    MORE BAD!

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    Message: 4249
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 03:16:17

    Many savings and loans are insolvent due to bad investments on the part of
    the institution itself, not because of any default on the part of the
    debtors.

    Message: 4250
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Forget it Rod!
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 08:40:28

    Your wasting your time here. They do not want to see the truth in your
    statements - they are more interested in telling you why things are the way
    they are and how good it is - for instance, telling you why the Savings &
    Loans go belly up - in the mean time, forgetting that they in reality, did
    go belly up for whatever reason! I would suggest you try to talk about just
    one subject at a time and try to converse with them - but even at that, they
    will never agree with one thing you say! It is beyond them! They don't want
    things to change! Why they won't even admit that we could HAVE a better
    world! They are bent towards making themselves seem superior and you a fool!
    No one is a fool here - each has good valid points and has the right to
    express them - but how about just a good conversation on any subject - how
    about bending a little? Rod has some excellent points - why not listen to
    him at least a little bit and see what he's saying? Discuss it - dissagree
    if you wish - but he is no fool! Hell, if just a few of the things he talks
    about were incorporated into our society, it would certainly make it better!
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4251
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:49:14

    I really do wish that you would come off of your high horse long enough to
    realize that there are people other than yourself that matter, too. It just
    gets so boring watching you stuffing yourself with Ego Flakes, and treating
    everyone else's opinions as if they are dirt under your steel-tipped boots.
    If character assassination were a punishable crime, your body would be
    thrashing around in an electric chair right about now. You crave self-
    appreciation much in the way that a junkie craves heroin. The only
    difference is that you can afford to feed your habit (the computer). Take
    away the element of insulting others behind the safety of your monitor, and
    you would realize that you are no better, smarter, greater, wonderful, or
    God-like, than the rest of us. Calling one of Rod's relatives a dolt without
    even meeting him? I hope you are not a religious-minded person, because you
    are going to have to fess up for some serious misjudgement calls come J-Day.
    (No, the "J" does not stand for "JT.")

    Message: 4252
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: $#!+ on Chris
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 11:04:38

            We were using the $#!+ way back in 1982 here on Apollo.  My old time
    users can verify this.
            No big deal here.......

    SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 4254
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 11:32:15

    Have you got records going back far enough to tell me when I first logged
    onto this system?

    If so could you tell me when?
    Thanx,
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    Message: 4255
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:33:31

    Boy, I'll bet you felt silly when you realized that while you were thinking
    about why savings and loans went bankrupt, you completely forgot that they
    DID go bankrupt.  I tell ya, that Ann really has a way of making the rest of
    us look foolish!

    Message: 4256
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:35:30

    Jasmine's father is indeed a dolt.  The civilian labor force was 65.7
    percent of the population at the end of 1987, compared with 63.8 percent in
    1980.

    Message: 4257
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:36:01

    Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

    Message: 4258
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Land
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 17:02:33

    No.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4259
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT/ "US"
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 19:14:49

    Speak for yourself, Thank You.

    Have a nice day!

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    Message: 4260
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Chris
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 20:13:24

    What's 114/18.8?

    Message: 4261
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 21:50:02

    Well, I must have struck a nerve there. I didn't get one of your form
    answers. Thanks for listening.

    Message: 4262
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jim - 114/18.8
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:19:48

    That is my Opus/Fidonet (primarily OPUS) Point node number.  That is sorta
    like a Compuserve number.  In detail:

                My real number is 15:1:114/18.8
              15 = region, (country)
                1 = zone in region (Southwest, I believe)
              114 = Phoenix Arizona
               18 = The 18th board in Phx, in this case The Software Engineers
    BBS
               .8 = My Point number

       O.k. So you live in New York and you want to send me some mail.  You
    would log onto your local Fidonet/OPUS/or any board that supports
    'conference' mail.  You would want to nter a message.  It would ask the
    persons name, and node number, and point node (if available).  In this case
    it is, so this message would only be sean by me.  If you were to put in
    114/18, every board it went to on its way down here would be able to see it
    (public message), unless you entered as private mail.  So, in about 2 to 5
    days, not sure how long, it would eventually get here and come to me.  Now
    here is where it gets confusing.  There are over 2,000 (atleast)
    Fidonet/OPUS/Conference mail boards world wide.  800+ in the U.S.  There are
    regions, zones, nodes, and point nodes.  The point node actually means the
    '.' in .8 .  Now you and I get on Apollo, with our name and password.  I can
    also get on 114/18 (The Software Engineers BBS) like that also (cont)

    Message: 4263
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jim/(cont)
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:32:13

    BUT the .8 allows this:

       You get a lot of files, consisting of editors, packers, unpackers, batch
    files and so on....  So I set up my batch files, editors, disk (hard disk
    directories) and so on....  When it is done and working all I have to do is
    execute a batch file and my system will:

         Call 114/18.0 Known as the 'BOSS NODE'
         Enter my Point node number, password and down load all of my files that
    I requested it to, get all the mail in the conferences I belong to (like
    SIGS on this system) there are about 120 national Conferences and about 30
    local ones, and upload any replies to mail I got the last time I did this.
    AND ALL I DID WAS EXECUTE ONE FILE!  Once it is set up, and working right,
    there is so much that you can do, and it is very fast!!!  For instance on
    most boards, includeing when I log on 'normally' to The Soft. Eng. BBS, the
    more I download the more I have to upload, well with a point node, it is so
    fast that It doesn't count against me.  The features of this 'NETWORK' are
    unbelievable(sp)....  If you haven't tried it, you should.  You can talk to
    people all over the world about just about anything you want!   If anybody
    wants more info let me know and I will try to get it to you somehow. I think
    it would be neet if Apollo went to the OPUS Software, about 60% more people
    could get on in a 24 hour period on a BUSY day.  Hope this helps!

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    Message: 4264
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 02:54:55

    Now I understand. It must be that the S&Ls are forced to make risky
    investments to help the needy masses to make their mortgage payments. If the
    investments don't pan out, the people can't make their payments, thus
    stopping any further risky investments. It's all so clear now.

    Message: 4265
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl on JT
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:56:58

    Well put! (clap, clap, clap!)

    Message: 4266
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT-your posts!
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:57:57

    'Horsefeathers! (tm ANN)

    Message: 4267
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:17:43

    Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

    Message: 4268
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:18:06

    You did it again, you completely forgot that the savings and loans went
    bankrupt while you were so busy explaining why they did.

    Message: 4269
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:12:09

    Shut up already

    Message: 4270
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Chris/OPUS software
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 22:08:03

    Chris,
       If Cliff went to OPUS, then this would be just like many other boards. At
    least this board has some original features, as weel as its software. Why
    change?

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 4271
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/S&L
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:59:19

    What in the hell are you trying to say?

    Message: 4272
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Chris Neal
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:55:15

    But Cliff does have OPUS software a part of this system.  I guess you just
    don't know how to access it.

    Message: 4273
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Westfall
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:09:50

    You just got so caught up in asking me what in the hell I am trying to say,
    that you forgot that I am in the hell trying to say something in the first
    place!

    Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

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    Message: 4275
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 17:25:02

    You don't know what it means to suffer.

    Message: 4276
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: OPUS/Todd/Pat
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 18:21:24

    Todd:  O.K. let's hear how to use it then!!!!

    Pat: Due to the loss of some of the users, it kinda would be nice to have a
    world wide (or a few) conversations....  With the point node idea it also
    saves time for the user and it allows more people on the board...

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    Message: 4277
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Idea for thought
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 21:04:27

    Socialism is not "sharing."  Forcing people to give up their property is not
    only not the same as them doing it voluntarily, it is completely different.
    It is stealing, and just because the government does it doesn't mean it is
    OK.  It also doesn't mean it's popular; I understand some people don't even
    pay their taxes, so I don't see how such a person would be willing to give
    up all of their property because the government tells them it's "sharing."

    Message: 4278
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:57:27

            Okay, I'll bite.  What is your 'suffering' message about?

    Message: 4279
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Idea for thought
    Subject: David
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:58:45

          In a nutshell, my goal is to help educate the human race to the
    fact that all people, not only from this bleak planet but throughout
    the universe, are all kin.
          I had a death experience in 1969.  At the time it was the most
    frightening event that ever happened to me.  At present I consider it
    the most profound and beautiful experience I ever had.
          This life, this planet is but a small bit in eternity.  I just
    wonder why life here is not a beautiful experience as it could be.
    We, the human race just do not have the mentality to make it so at
    present.
          Yes, before the death experience I was content, happy, if you
    will.....but it was like I came back and slowly realized that we live
    in a weird and scary place.
          I am not for any system.  It would be so much easier if we
    humans realized we were related, and shared.  It is that simply.  If
    life here could be like a big family there would be no need for
    government other than for the necessary lines of supply and
    communications.
          I do not like the monopoly game we are playing, simply because
    there are too many poor.  That is my only reason.  Some other
    countries probably have it worse but that is still no excuse to not
    seek improvements.                    Rod
            P.S.  I DO NOT WANT A SYSTEM THAT DEMANDS ANYTHING.

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    Message: 2007
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:35:45

    Welcome to Group 2.

    Message: 2008
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann...
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:53:12

    Did you ever see "Angel Heart?" Could it have been you that created Thang,
    and your alter-ego just never knew about it?

    Message: 2009
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl/last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 10:00:55

    I will admit that it could be my alter ego that created THANG. My concious
    mind runs in that direction! Hahahaha. 'Oh how I love big Thangs!' (sung to
    the tune of 'Yank my doodle!' - oops! Sorry - I meant 'Yankee Doodle!"
    =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

    Message: 2010
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 12:09:53

    Yank my doodle, it's a dandy!

    Message: 2011
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Beyond...
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 14:43:23

            Are we going to see a long line of Male BBS users standing in front
    of Ann's door?

    Message: 2012
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:12:46

    Nope

    Message: 2013
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Ann's last...
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:30:20

    Not until she invites us all over for a cold one and a viewing.

    Message: 2014
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: $#!+
    Subject: Sandy/my door
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 07:47:16

    If there are anymore 'Big Dicks' that come to my doorstep, my husband will
    divorce me! Ha ha - only kidding. He does think we are all crazy - but he
    thought that before the first Thang was deposited. He is wierd though - he
    also doesn't understand why I must at all costs, rain or shine, sick or
    well, have to log on everyday! He doesn't understand why I argue politics -
    - current events - tell dirty jokes - or draw on occasion, big dicks! HE
    can't understand why when I'm on Apollo that I don't want to be disturbed
    with -- "Where's my socks?" - "Whatcha doing?" - "Did you mail that letter I
    told you to?" - etc. etc. and that I turn from an otherwise loving wife, to
    a screeching shrew when he does! He also doesn't understand that when I get
    a new piece of software, it must be conquered at all costs - the housework,
    his meals and needs taking second place temporaily! Non-computer people are
    a strange lot! =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

    Message: 2015
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:57:16

    My wife thinks BBSers are all a bunch of geeks.

    Me included.

    Sometimes I have to agree with her.

    On the first statement, that is.

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    Message: 2017
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/Ann
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 21:08:38

    When I meet these people in person, they seem quite level-headed.  Yet, on
    the board, they are pinheads.  Do they perhaps have a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr.
    Hyde" syndrome?

    Message: 2018
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Lawyers....
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:10:25

        Why is there so many toxic waste dumps in New Jersey and so many lawyers
    in New York?
    ........New Jersey got first choice!

        What can you tell if you find three lawyers buried up to their necks in
    concrete?
    ........Someone ran out of concrete.

        One day God is strolling the wall between heaven and hell.  He notices a
    break in the wall that was obviously created on the hellish side and people
    were streaming through.  So he called over the Devil and said "you better
    get this wall fixed and fast or I'll sue."  The Devil laughed and said "Oh
    yeah?  Where are you going to find a lawyer?"

    (LL)oyd  Pulley
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    Message: 54199
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Jensen
    Date: 09/18/88  Time: 18:44:45

    Why does the haunting echo of Tom Lyekis's "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!" echo
    through my ear when I read your message ?

    40 Years ago they also discovered that a few men could wipe everyone off
    the face of the earth.
    22 years ago they discovered that it almost happened
    15 years ago a rat named "Jamaca" died after eating a Sara lee pound cake.

    We should get rid of all the agencies that support such nonsense.

    Message: 54200
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paranoid nonsense
    Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:31:45

    Jensen's conclusion may have some merit, but his premises are indeed
    paranoid nonsense.  Wilhelm Reich, for example, was a quack.  He was
    persecuted by the FDA, but he was not murdered by the agency; he died in
    prison.

    Message: 54201
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: OPUS/FIDONET Users
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:41:54

    Are there any Opus or fidenet system users on here???

    If so, what system do you use?

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    Message: 54202
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 05:17:32

    Yes, Lady in White was the movie. I saw it on Viewers Choice where it is
    currently playing. I don't know if it is in the video stores yet, as V.C.
    gets them a lot fresher than HBO or the others. Worth a try anyway, as it is
    a very good ghost story.
     I saw the oldie you mentioned quite a few years ago and agree it was
    excellent.
    Have a good scare.

    Message: 54203
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Trotsky
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 17:13:01

    Rod,
      I likened you to Trotsky as a sort of backhanded compliment. Although
    Trotsky was instrumental in bringing the horrors of Marxism to power, he
    eventually saw the evil he helped create and called it such. It was for this
    that he was finally murdered in Mexico after being thrown out of Russia. I
    hope that you will eventually understand the nature of your proposed scheme
    for what it is and recant as well. Lets just hope that you can do it before
    the price climbs to that which Trotsky paid.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54204
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cause o

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    Message: 54204
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cause of Death
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 18:58:38

    Maybe the leading cause of death in this country is boredom?  From some of
    the simplistic views about politics and religion aired on this board it well
    could become the leading cause.

    Message: 54205
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 02:46:04

    Stop being so analytical. It bores me.

    Message: 54206
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Gary Jomes
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 05:48:54

     If you're so bored with our simplicity, why don't you dazzle us with your
    erudition? You might wake a few of us up!
    (Excuse the typo in your name. It's too early in the morning for my old
    fingers.)

    Message: 54207
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: I agree
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 07:19:54

    Hey........Guys (and gals)

    No kidding, there is a certain sameness to all your political arguments.
    It's all the establishment's fault, and no taking the blame for electing
    such a mediocre bunch of politicians in the first place.  Since I'm a
    Californio I can't take credit for the mess you all have made here in Ariz.
    but nobody seems to have voted for the bad guys, and those who did vote,
    threw their votes away by backing the Social Conservatives or the
    Neo-Leninists.  Come on, let's hear a real rationale for your beliefs
    without degenerating into mud slinging and name calling!

    As for the real estate tiff on the other board, I'm sure Roddy had a perfect
    right to believe that no one should own land at all (except maybe him?) but
    I can tell you that it doesn't work the other way either.  My dad escaped
    from Hungary in 1955, just ahead of the Soviet troops, to get away from the
    kind of government Roddy seems to want.  And, my Mom crossed the border
    illegally the year before to get away from the food riots in Mexico City.  I
    don't suppose what we've got for government here in this country is perfect,
    but it's so far ahead of whatever is in second place that there's no
    comparison.

    See Y'aa..........
    Jeannie

    Message: 54208
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A Chuckle.
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:52:45

    In yesterday's paper the 'Today's Chuckle: --- "There's one good thing about
    presidential candidates: Only one of them can get elected!"

    Message: 54209
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 54207
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 10:12:53

    That reminds me of this definition from L.A. Rollins' "Lucifer's Lexicon":

    Americanist, n.  One who knows that America is the freest country on earth,
    but has no idea which is the second freest.

    Message: 54210
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Freest
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 14:54:14

            We may be the 'Freest', but we are not totally free. As time passes
    we become less and less freer.
            I doubt that I would express my real feelings about the situation
    and plausible solutions in America because I would be investigated by the
    FBI. To be sure, they take what us free Americans say seriously. As an FBI
    agent once told me ...... you have the right to say whatever you want, BUT
    we have the right to investigate you.
            At this point in time, I do not feel like explaining to my waitress
    why there is always a man hiding amoungst the coats whenever I am seated.

    Message: 54211
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Second Freest
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 15:32:58

    There is none.

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 54212
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:32:39

      Boy am I glad to see you back on the BBS again! I was beginning to wonder
    if you had skipped town with the $10 you are going to owe me.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54213
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 2nd 'Freest'
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:05:16

    Australia.

    Typically a socialistic government dominated by government owned utilities
    and capital laws.

    Message: 54214
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: For sale
    Subject: MAC 512K
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:21:30

    For Sale :

    MacIntosh 512K with extra 400K disk drive.
    Software + Books and of course the mouse & pad.
    Complete.

    $750.00 priced to sell

    Email if interested
                                    -Mike

    Message: 54215
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Boredom
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:22:17

    Who cares ?

    Message: 54216
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: politics and money
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:34:46

    I haven't skipped out on anything yet.  Still waiting!

    As for my political views, I wrote 'em all out several weeks ago, and
    promptly got so bored that I forgot what I said.  Now, What was the question
    again?

    Message: 54218
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: free nations
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 20:37:31

    What about Switzerland, Monaco, Lichtenstein, the Netherlands, and Denmark?
    In many areas they are clearly freer than the United States.

    Message: 54219
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 21:37:33

            Ok, Jim, I am listening.
            Tell me in what areas they are clearly freer .......

    (you have some time to think out the answer. It will take me awhile to get
    enough money to pay for the plane ticket)

    Message: 54220
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy/Last
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 21:54:30

    Ahh yes, but is Cliff 'buying' that!!!! hahahahahahahaaaaa

    ----------=============*******>CHRIS<*******=============------114/18.8

    P.S.   You didn't do anything to Travis Sysop did you?

    Message: 54221
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: free,freer,freest

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    Message: 54221
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: free,freer,freest
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 05:15:49

    I agree with Jeannie, to a point. We may not be perfect, but we are way
    ahead of whoever's in second place.
     As to the countries Jim mentioned, I guess it all depends on your
    conception of freedom. Sure, I guess they are more free to indulge
    themselves in such questionable "benefits" as legalized drugs and
    pornography, etc., but perhaps freedom FROM such stuff is a quality that
    many of us appreciate in the good old U.S.A.
     And Gary, I think the question was, since you are so bored with our
    mediocrity, what do you have in mind that will stimulate us to higher
    things? Have at it, by all means!

    Message: 54222
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 10:02:58

    Monaco has no income tax.  Switzerland has a minimal federal government
    restricted to legislation in only certain areas.  The Netherlands has a
    sensible drug policy.  Etc.

    Message: 54223
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Free
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 13:06:47

    If we are free than why do I have to PAY taxes?
                                  Ralph

    Message: 54224
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:54:04

    Because FREEDOM isn't free.

    Message: 54225
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/Trotsky
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:50:32

            Sorry, but I don't go to Mexico.

    Message: 54226
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard/freest
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:54:26

            Yo may be investigated for those remarks.

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     2:asked to join.  Shoot first and ask questions later.
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    Message: 54228
    Author: John Bergmann
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Printer for sale
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 17:13:16

    I have a MPS-801 printer for sale if anyone interested please send John
    Bergmann mail will sell for $55

    Message: 54229
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/54221
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 18:06:04

    The Soviet Union, then, must be *very* free, because they are pretty
    much free from making choices.

    Message: 54230
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Tidbit1
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:05:23

    Tidbits from the latest National Review:

     According to a current poll, 55 percent of the public thinks Dukakis could
    do more for small business than Bush. However, small-business owners them-
    selves favor Bush over Dukakis by 78 to 17 percent.

     'The rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and those in
     the middle--and that means most of us--have gotten squeezed.' In his Labor
     Day speech Michael Dukakis pledged to end a Republican era he said has
     benefited only "the priveledged few."
       Census Bureau data for 1987, released at the end of August, tell a very
     different story. Median family income in 1987 was $30,853, compared to
     only $21,023 in 1980.
       Real family income changed little between 1973 and 1978, but there was
     a precipitous decline from the second year of the Carter Administration
     until the economic expansion began in late 1982. The improvement in 1987
     means that U.S. family income has risen 11.8 percent since 1982, the
     sharpest and most sustained improvement in twenty years. The middle 3/5ths
     of the population received 51.8 percent of total national income last year,
     a proportion that has been virtually unchanged since such statistics began
     in 1947.

    Message: 54231
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tidbit2
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:06:39

      The use of family-income data masks the effects of declining family size,
     as well as gains made by unmarried people. Thus, while real mean family
     income is reported to have increased 10.6 percent since 1980, real per-
     capita income rose 14.4 percent over the same period.
      Simularly, focusing on pre-tax rather than after-tax income skews the
     data. The after-tax purchasing power of the poorest 20 percent of families
     has increased more than the rise in their pre-tax incomes would indicate,
     because of the tax reductions since 1981.
      Poverty is still a problem, but not nearly so pervasive a problem as the
     official numbers suggest. The poverty rate was officially 13.5 percent
     last year, down 11.7 percent from 1983. But failure to count the $146
     billion of in-kind benefits distributed by the Federal Government last
     year means that as many as 12.1 million Americans are erroneously
     identified as poor. Most dramatically affected by this calculation are the
     elderly poor, whose poverty rate plummets from 12.2 percent to a mere 2.1
     percent when these benefits are taken into account.

    Message: 54232
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tidbit3
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:07:27

     From 'Holidays in Hell' by P.J. O'Rourke

      "I didn't think you could wreck a Central American country. I thought
     they came pre-wrecked from the time of the fall of classical Mayan
     civilization in 900 A.D. I didn't think you could make things more
     depressing than they are in, say, El Salvador or the slums of Colon,
     Panama. But the Sandinistas had done it. And the Nicaraguans were losing
     that big, rude, cynical Latin American laugh. They were starting to get
     the dry humor of perfect despair that the Poles and Czechs and Russians
     have. We would pass by a burned-out factory, and our driver would say,
     with a deadpan face, "This belongs to the people now.'"

    Message: 54233
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gary/Boredom
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:10:20

      Ok, lets all switch sides so Gary won't be bored.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54234
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Trotsky
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:25:15

      Being in Mexico was not the point, the point was at the end of the icepick
    that killed him. A state that has the power to enforce a ban on the
    accumulation of private property MUST therefore be all powerful. A state
    that is all powerful must be administered by someone, and since the
    individual citizen has already been defined as too low an entity to even be
    allowed to peacefully accumulate property, that citizen will be represented
    by a leader class. Once this Utopia is set in motion there is only one end
    which can come from it. Those who earnestly promoted it will be among the
    first of its victims, since their convictions will not be those of the all
    powerful State, and they will soon become its enemies.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54235
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:50:57

    I hope Rod reads that.

    Message: 54236
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:51:22

    I've never been to San Diego State University in my life.

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    Message: 266
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: How much ...
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 08:47:48

    ... did James pay you for that air tight alibi? I think you should get the
    'Whopper of the month' award for that one! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 267
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:04:21

    Rod was aware that his neck was aching, but he had been so tired of late, he
    had just dozed off in front of his computer. He had been there over an hour,
    missing his turn on Apollo. Also, in the back of his mind, he knew it had
    started raining and the sound of the patters on the window were soothing to
    his tired body and he continued to doze.

    Suddenly, some soft noise disturbed him and he jerked fully awake, sitting
    up stright in the chair. He looked around the room and saw Joe, his neighbor
    from across the street sitting in the other computer chair. He too had
    fallen asleep and was snoring softly. But Rod knew that hadn't been the
    noise he'd heard. He reached up and switched off the light and peered out
    the rain splattered window.
    It took a few seconds for his eyes to become acustomed to the dark, but he
    could make out a hulking figure just coming into his side patio headed for
    the door. The figure looked vaguely familier but for some reason, he became
    terrified and backed into the cornor, concealing himself.
    The door rattled slightly and then slowly opened. A stentch permeated the
    air and Rod had to put his hand over his nose for fear he'd vomit last
    nights supper!
    A sudden burst of lightening silouetted the figure from behind and Rod could
    see he held a huge axe in his right hand and was slowly coming into the
    room.
    Rod was so frightened, he cowered into the cornor and put his face towards
    the wall - knowing his life was soon going to end. (Cont.)

    Message: 268
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:23:05

    Hours seemed to have passed and the rain had stopped to a drizzle. Rod
    finally had the nerve to lift his head and look around. The door was still
    open and the rain had made a messy puddle on the floor.
    Rod chuckled to himself. "Man, I must be loosing it! That was just one of my
    friends playing a practical joke - trying to scare the wits out of me this
    time of night. Boy did they succeed!"
    He got up from the cornor and realized he was soaked with sweat and chuckled
    again "And they really did succeed!
    He went over and turned on the light. He caught a glimps of himself in the
    window pane and he appeared red.
    "Hmmm. That's funny??" And then he looked down at himself.
    He was covered with blood! His knees almost went out from under him. He turn
    and looked at Joe and then his knees did buckle and he landed with a thud.
    He couldn't believe his eyes - there sat Joe, covered with gore and his head
    that had been a few minutes before, laying on his chest in sleep, was gone
    and a steady stream of bright red blood spurted out of the hole in his
    throat.
    Rod did spend the next few minutes loosing his supper!
    He finally looked around and found poor Joe's head! It was on the computer
    keyboard and oozing blood down between the keys!
    A horrible thought struck Rod! "That was meant for me! It was supposed to be
    my head on the keyboard, not Joe's!"
    He started to shiver. "If that's the truth, then I know who is going to be
    next! It's got to be ...........

    Message: 269
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: It's got to be ....
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 15:12:10

            the next person who falls asleep at the computer waiting to log on
    to Apollo."
            Rod knew how the Apollo SySop felt about his system. He remembers
    times when the A.S.S. would change into a twisted, agonizing, grimacing
    figure when news of BBS users falling asleep reached his ears.
            The thought that the A.S.S. was on the prowl frightened Rod. His
    mind was trying to think who the users were that had a tendancy to fall
    asleep at the computer. The sweat stung his eyes and the stench of what used
    to be Joe made it hard to concentrate. Who, Rod thought, who could possibly
    be next?
            Rod covers the corpse of Joe, grabs his odd colored rain shoes, his
    San Francisco Fish Net Rain Coat, his paper mache' rain hat, and rushes
    out into the dark stormy night. He must go to the nearest BBS user that he
    knows who falls asleep at the computer.
            Upon arriving ........

    Message: 270
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:10:13

    ...... in front of James Hawley's house, he paused to look around. It was so
    dark he couldn't see much, but there was a dim light coming from what Rod
    knew was James's computer room and he started towards it.
    "God! James stays up so late building those Thangs. Here it is 4:AM and he's
    still up. I must warn him!"
    Rod got nearer the house and could see the door was slightly ajar and his
    neck hairs stood stright up! He made haste and threw open the door. The
    sight that faced him made him sick again. Poor James was slumped over his
    computer. There was so much blood, it has oozed down and made a gorey puddle
    on the floor and right in the middle lay James's entire arm - cut off neatly
    at the shoulder!
    Rod heard a moan and realized that James was not dead and he rushed to his
    side, lifting up his head.
    James moaned again but managed to say "Help me Rod! Get me to the hospital
    quick!"
    "Yes my friend. You'll be alright. Just hang in there!"
    Rod took off his rain coat and gently layed it on the floor. He held his
    breath and picked up James's arm and layed in on the coat, coving it up and
    putting it under his arm. He reached over with his other strong arm and
    helped James to stand.
    "Here. Hold on to me the best you can. We'll get you to the hospital as soon
    as possible!" Rod said choaking back tears.
    They struggled down the stairs, but finally made it to the van. Rod helped
    James lay down and noticed he was going into shock. Cont.

    Message: 271
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Cont.
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:23:06

    He layed the rain coat down beside him with it's grizzly occupant and rushed
    around to get the van started.
    HE broke all speed limits getting to the hospital. This time he wished a
    policeman had stopped him so he could make better time with an escort.
    HE finally got to the emergency entrance and a couple of doctors were
    standing around having a cigarette brake. When they saw Rod's face behind
    the windshield, they threw them down and rushed over with a stretcher. Rod
    jumped out and threw open the back of the van. James was still moaning and
    Rod let out a sigh of relief that he was still alive. In a matter of
    minutes, James was on the operating table!
    Rod waited for hours and finally, when the sun was high in the sky, the
    doctor came out and said to him "Your friend is going to be alright. We
    successfully sewed back his arm. It was a clean cut, so we had no problems.
    In fact, his arm will be much better than before! We made it Bionic!"
    "Bionic?' Rod Questioned. "You mean like that series on TV - the Million
    Dollar man?"
    "Yes, but it will be better than that. Anyway, why don't you go on home now.
    You look like you could use some sleep. Have no fear, your friend will
    survive!"
    Rod thought to himself "Sleep hell! I know who's going to get it next and I
    WILL stop it this time!
    HE ran out and jumped in the van and headed for .........

    Message: 272
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Story
    Date: 09/21/88  Time: 12:36:30

    Annie I sent copies of your's and Sandy's stories to a friend of mine in
    Hollywood, and the two of you should here from him soon. HeSaid"Damm but
    these girls are good!!? I didn't tell him how wromg he was , Iwill let him
    find out for hisself.   By By
                     The Old Fart Ralph

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     1:        On the way home, Rod noticed they had sewn James's arm on backwards.
     2: "I guess you won't be making any more THANGS in the condition you're in, me
     3:boy", pipes Rod.  "Fuck off", sez James, "Take me home".
     4:        So, Rod drives to 210th Ave. and Beardsley, shuts off the van, gets
     5:out, opens the door for James, and sez, "Have a nice walk."  Obviously, Rod
     6:got JT fever and decided to be just like him.
     7:        As Rod is backing the van up, he feels a big thump, "Oops, sorry
     8:James, didn't mean to drive over you."
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    Message: 1559
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Well, not really
    Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:58:56

    But I have been writing a stupid story.  I've also translated another over
    the past week (out of English into Esperanto).  And I'm starting refresher
    French class tomorrow.  Yum

    Message: 1560
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Number 1600
    Date: 09/20/88  Time: 23:33:30

    Well, 3 hours of french class today, sans preparation. At least I have the
    material to do next week's (and this week's) homework and some motivation
    for getting caught up. Doncha just love irregular verbs? Esperanto has none.

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