### Apollo BBS Archive - September 5, 1988

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    Message: 4129
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 01:37:16

    I'm baffled.  What are you trying to say -- that big government should come
    in and tell renters and landlords what rent agreements they should enter
    into, rather than voluntarily letting them work it out?
    Clearly, no one would rent at a mall unless it was advantageous for them to
    do so.  Don't you think it is a little silly for you to sit on the outside
    and tell them that what they're doing isn't "fair"?
    You seem to be unaware of the most fundamental economic principle: a
    voluntary exchange between two parties benefits both parties.
    It's obvious; if there wasn't a benefit for a party, they wouldn't
    voluntarily enter into it.

    Message: 4130
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Landlords et al.
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 12:47:06

    I can't understand why you all say your baffled on what I'm trying to say
    here. No - I am not saying the government should step in and stop this
    practice - that is up to those involved. I just do not think it is fair or a
    good policy! When does it stop for instance? No one has answered that yet. I
    can see the landlord and tenant helping each other for their own benifits -
    but the landlords continue to get a cut of the profits for as long as the
    tenant is there - the better the business - the bigger the profits for the
    landlord! When the transaction is between a mall owner and someone with a
    small business like Cliff's - the extra taken out of his profits can brake
    him. If he for instance, sold one computer for one week and the landlord
    gets his cut - Cliff did not make much! If that happened too often, then he
    has to go out of business. Again - no one answered me about why can't the
    landlord give a brake to the tenant off the front end? As a former apartment
    house owner, we many times gave a prospective tenant a free months rent. Yes
    - we lost money, but not in the long run if the apartment was rented. That's
    business! We went into it with open eyes and knew what it took to make it
    profitable. May I also point out another thing - why can't a landlord lease
    out the stalls? He is guaranteed a years rent whether the tenant does good,
    bad or otherwise. With something like that coupled with the inflation of
    property values and income tax - that's ENOUGH! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 4131
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:48:25

    Obviously, it stops when it is no longer beneficial for the renter or the
    landlord.  As long as it is beneficial, they continue in the agreement, and
    you should have no objection to it.  If it stops being beneficial, then the
    agreement stops existing, and you have nothing to object to.
    The idea that there is some rent that is "ENOUGH," different from that
    agreed upon by two parties, is a ridiculous and unsupportable one.
    Moreover, if someone were only selling one computer, they would obviously
    not be able to afford the much higher rent the landlord would charge if it
    were not for this agreement.
    All of this has been said before.  You might want to re-read the past
    messages, looking at them a little closer.

    Message: 4132
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Debate / dispute
    Subject: Percentage Rent
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 19:15:14

            Most local shopping centers that deal in percentage rent, charge a
    base rent and a small percentage if that shop should gross over set amount.
    This amount is generaly set on a monthly average gross in excess of 20,000.
    The percentage can be anything the two parties agree on, generaly between 2%
    to 5.5%.  If the shop has a bad month, no gross payment is made. The
    Mall manager may then advertise more to bring in added traffic, the rest is
    up to the shop keeper.  The real problem here is some small malls enjoy
    collecting percentage rents like their big brother Malls do, but fail to
    supply advertising, and instead, pocket the money.

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

    Message: 4133
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject:  SIG
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 22:50:52

    How come it's gone??????

    And how come we can't leave a message in the STOre SIG?

    Just wondering?
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    Message: 1002
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 21:26:59

                  It would be a media event
                    -to jump wearing a tent
                       painted with P.T. Barnum & Bailey
                     For the Phoenix Daily.

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    Message: 54030
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 01:34:50

    That doesn't follow.  That wasn't the experience in our relatively free
    market in this country's youth.
    The scenario you describe could only happen in a situation in which the
    money supply is so constricted that the market cannot achieve equilibrium.
    This was the case in the early 1930's, when the Federal Reserve cut the
    money supply by a third, and plunged this country into the Great Depression.
    But that was hardly the action of a free market.

    Message: 54031
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Goldwater
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 05:34:17

    Barry Goldwater may have been, and still could be, (and is in the eyes of
    many) a gold plated, silver spooned S.O.B. He is loousy with money, ownd his
    own mountain top, and couldn't care less about thee or me. BUT! One thing
    you must remember when talking about Barry Goldwater. He was, and is, the
    consummate politician. Not only is he revered by many in Arizona; there are
    many people in high places in Washington who still hang on his every word as
    though it was yet another Gospel. Such is the way of the power structure.
    Don't try to understand it. You'll get old before your time.

    Message: 54032
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 05:40:30

    If you are going to refer to yourself as an atheist, you should at least
    read the Bible with a little comprehension, if for no other reason than to
    know what it is you don't believe in.
     The term "virgin Mary" refers only to Mary's condition upon the conception
    of Jesus. The Bible makes it quite clear, even to the untrained and
    unbelieving eye, that she and Joseph led a normal married life after Jesus'
    birth. In fact, the book of James was written by Jesus brother, a son who
    was born to Joseph and Mary after Jesus.
    Perhaps you would like to comment on some other subject that doesn't exist
    because you haven't read about it?

    Message: 54033
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: "Virgin" Mary
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 09:06:47

    If I recall, Jim Lippard's _Fundamentalism is Nonsense_ booklet suggests
    that the term "virgin" was a mistranslation, and that it should have been
    translated as "unmarried woman" or something.

    Is that true?

    Message: 54034
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Goldwater
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 10:48:22

      He was one of the damn few Senators who would vote against spending in his
    own state when he didn't think it was justified for the nation as a whole.
    All the complaints I have seen against him here are the the kind of
    irrelevent baloney that has come to dominate the media. The idea that a
    person should have to be a financial failure or come from a family of
    financial failures in order to qualify for public office is ridiculous.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 54035
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Goldwater
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:40:05

    If you look at the way the entrenched powers treated him when he
    came upon the scene (check newspapers from the early part of this century),
    you'll see that in no way was he part of the power structure of this state.
    The power structure changed to fit him, not the other way around.
    The movers and shakers were none too happy with him, which is one reason
    he was sympathetic with Mecham -- in the beginning.  That later faded.
    No one could have ever claimed he was in anyone's pocket.
    Besides, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

    Message: 54036
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Vice Presidency
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:42:08

    "My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office
    [the vice-presidency] that ever the invention of man contrived or his
    imagination conceived; and as I can do neither good nor evil, I must be
    borne away by others and meet the common fate."
        -- John Adams, letter to Abagail Adams, 19 December 1793.

    Message: 54037
    Author: Robert Simpson
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Mary
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:53:54

    "When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him
    and took Mary home as his wife.  But he had no union with her until she gave
    birth to a son.  And he gave him the name Jesus."  Mat 1:24-25

    Message: 54038
    Author: Chuck Seifert
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Strip-O-Grams
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 16:14:02

    IF you are throwing a party, or want to tease a friend call:
    "For Your Eyes Only" at 268-6371. Mention this BBS, Fellow
    computer bugs get a discount !

    Message: 54039
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 54033
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 18:22:08

    The word translated "virgin" in the New Testament does indeed mean "virgin".
     It is the word translated "virgin" in the Old Testament "prophecy" which
    does not.

    Message: 54040
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 21:23:26

    Your talk about Goldwater reminds me of your own tirades concerning
    the post office.

    "I've never made over $10.00 per hour, I don't know who told you that postal
    workers get that much but I've never seen it ..." -Paul Savage, DEC 1984

    Message: 54041
    Author: Gordon Bailey
    Category: For sale
    Subject: COMPUTERS
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 23:31:30

    I HAVE 2 TRS 80 COMPUTERS A MODEL 4P AND A MODEL 4 BOTH IN GOOD
    CONDITION ASKING $4OO.00 EACH INCLUDS SOFT WARE
    CALL GORDON 978-1026*

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    Message: 194
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: Late Night Thought
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 03:14:33

    Fuck.

    Message: 195
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 12:51:21

    No - I have a new license for practicing preachers. - James White gave it to
    me! Arn't I good? =*--The New Way Below Normal Preacher--*=

    Message: 196
    Author: $ Kobble Stone
    Category: Tawdry Tales
    Subject: SIC!
    Date: 09/05/88  Time: 19:29:54

            You peoples are in need of help.  You all are SICK!

    What am I doing here?

    Must be to educate and rescue,  Yea, that's it!

            Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

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