### Apollo BBS Archive - November 5, 1988

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    Message: 4634
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on King's Quest
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:54:06

            Ann!!!!  You had better READ that post on the Gemini STOre SIG
    again.   It clearly states in that post all the Software is for the ATRAI
    ST.   There is a post of some IBM/Clone software, but there is no King's
    Quest listed.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 4635
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Idea for thought
    Subject: Ann/last
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:01:08

            Take the hint, buy an ST.

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    Message: 1143
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: Todd/halloween art
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:33:26

    Tod, I just saw your Halloween art entry.  Loved it.  A little guy at our
    house liked it, too, especially the "bow-wow."

    Keep up the good work.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 1144
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gary/Tod
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:02:22

            Todd spells his name with two d's.....I thought we've been through
    all that.

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    Message: 2261
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Movies
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:39:16

    I'd like to find a video copy of a Disney flick called (I think) "The Lives
    of Thomasina."  It's a screen play of a Paul Gallico story, but I havn't
    been able to find it at any of the rental stores.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 2262
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd on me
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 00:55:31

    Are you looking for trouble?
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    Message: 2263
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gary/movie
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:22:37

    You might find that video at a Mr. Movie rental - they have a great
    sellection of that type - also a lot of classics. =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2264
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris on Toady
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:30:28

    Don't mind him - he's always looking for trouble! The Prince of Darkness was
    at least a fair movie - the plot was understandable and the special effects
    were good. Some of my favorite movies for plot and effects is - The Howling
    - Ghost Story - Robocop - Preditor and the most fabulas of all ---
    --- * THE TERMINATOR * with Arnie baby! To me - that is the perfect movie! I
    taped it and watched it SOOOO many times - I actually wore out the tape. The
    last time I watched it (knowing full well it was broken) - it got stuck in
    the VCR and my husband had to tear the thing apart to get it out - all the
    time cussing at me for such a dumb thing. He made me throw it away. Sob! I
    suppose it will be eternity before it's back on one of the movie channels so
    I can tape it again. I deffinately want the un-cut version so I can see
    'Arnie swinging'!!! Hahhahahahah. Ta Ta =+= ANN =+=

    Message: 2265
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Movie
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:12:02

       The title is "The Three Lives of Thomasina."  If you can't find a tape of
    it, watch the Sunday TV listings.  It shows up on Disney's shows once in a
    while.
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     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 2266
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Disney
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:04:49

            We get the Disney Channel on cable.....let me know when it is
    playing and I will tape it for you (and me).
                            Rod

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    Message: 55169
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hamilton/color
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:15:51

    What color did they use for Wallace in 1968?

    Message: 55170
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:30:40

    The term "Reagan Democrats" generally is applied to "Bible-belt Democrats,"
    as you call them.  Republican victories in northern states in presidential
    elections can be attributed more to independent voters than to Democrats.
    Some of these voters likely have libertarian leanings, at least on social
    and economic issues.  But the Libertarian Party's extreme positions on
    social issues (legalizing drugs and prostitution, for example) and foreign
    policy are unpalatable to the vast majority of voters.  The Libertarian
    Party could moderate its views, I suppose, to bring it more into the
    mainstream.  But if it did so it would cease to be the Libertarian Party as
    we know it.  It also would be difficult to distinguish such a reconstituted
    Libertarian Party from the Republican Party.  I assume your contention is
    that the Libertarian Party could attract widespread support without
    significantly altering its radical ideology, which seems virtually
    impossible to me.

    Incidentally, I have never been a leftist.  I guess at one point it would
    have been accurate to characterize me an anarchist-libertarian, but mostly I
    was an immature teenager.  Incidentally, when I was an immature teenager, I
    used to use the same tactic you are using now.  Todd Reese called it
    "parroting."  It wasn't subtle then (though I mistook it for cleverness); it
    isn't subtle now.

    Message: 55171
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:45:12

    Who is your "stereotypical conservative"?  George Will?  George Bush?  Jerry
    Falwell?  Jerry Ford?  Robert Bork?  Robert Poole?  All of these people are
    consevative, but there are vast differences between any two of them.  Of
    course the Libertarian Party's platform does not reflect the views of all
    conservatives, and conservatism and libertarianism are not identical.  The
    two are not mutually exclusive, however; libertarianism is one ideological
    tendency within a broad conservative movement.

    Message: 55172
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Definition:
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:30:08

    Read on another BBS (parroting, I guess!)

    Liberal Politician:
         A politician who votes on every issue as if every one of his
    constituents is a voter.

    Conservative Politician:
         A politician who votes on every issue as if every one of his
    constituents is a tax payer.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 55173
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Tru Fax
    Date: 11/04/88  Time: 21:32:51

      Montana's *Great Falls Tribune* reported that Flathead
    County authorities tracked and arrested a Peeping Tom who
    rode his horse up to a window and peered in at a woman
    sleeping nude on her sofa.  Hearing the horse outside, the
    woman awoke and produced a rifle.  The horseman took off as
    she called the sheriff's department.
      When deputies came to investigate, "they learned that
    several other area residents had also seen the man and that
    they claimed he may have been drunk.  They tracked him for
    nearly half a mile to the home of two elderly women with whom
    he was having coffee - though the women say they didn't know
    who he was.  He had just dropped in.
      "Officials say the suspect was fairly easy to track because
    of the hoofprints of his trusty steed.  There were also
    identifiable marks left in the snow where the cowboy had
    fallen off his horse - five times."
      The man told the arresting deputies that he hadn't been
    peeping at the woman, only "looking for stray cows."

      Phuc Q. Tang, a twenty-four-year-old man from Nashville,
    Tennessee, was admitted to the hospital after drilling two
    holes in his head.  *Nashville Banner*

      According to the Newark, New Jersey, *Star-Ledger*, a
    waterbed was moved out of the bedroom used by Pope John
    Paul II during a stopover in Miami last year, and a regular
    bed was substituted.  "The pope's advance man, the Reverend
    Roberto Tucci, had recommended that arrangement when he
    visited Archbishop Edward A. McCarthy's five-bedroom,
    split-level residence prior to the trip.
      "'They didn't want the pope to get seasick,' said
    McCarthy."

      Security officials at the Metropolitan Topeka Airport
    Authority in Kansas shot and killed two dogs that were mating
    near an airport runway soon to be used by President Reagan's
    jet.  According to airport spokesman Marvin Hancock, security
    officers acting on orders from the Secret Service "first beat
    the dogs with heavy welding gloves to separate them, and when
    that didn't work, shot them."
      Hancock said the dogs were shot because they "might have
    run onto the pavement and interfered with the president's
    jet."  *St. Petersburg Times*

    Message: 55175
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 03:14:28

    Christian used to log on the ARK BBS as a Christian.  I guess she changed
    her mind.

    Message: 55176
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter/pound
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:17:20

    We discussed that very thing at our last meeting re: pound siezures. It
    seems it's a well know fact but nothing so far has been proved. That is one
    of the things we plan to find out for sure.
    Paul was right about the difference between the Humane Society and the
    county Pound and it was my mistake - I did say Humane Society and meant the
    pound. Sorry.
    Our first project will be getting cockfighting banned in Arizona. Other
    animal groups are trying also. We are only one of four states that it's
    legal in and the ironic thing about this is - it is illegal to have a
    rooster in Maricopa county - yet they can have cockfights! See you =+= ANN
    =+=

    Message: 55177
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/sticker
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:19:23

    Loved that bumper sticker you saw. If people don't feel that way - they sure
    as heck should. Politicians are the enemies of the people. However .....

                      * VOTE LIBERTARIAN *

    Message: 55178
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Wallace/color
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:06:54

       Whatever color they used, it sure wasn't black.  Lily white, maybe.  They
    didn't have all the fancy computer graphics back then, plus more people had
    b&w TVs, so it wouldn't have mattered as much then.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 55179
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Prop. guide
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:18:52

    Here's how I'm voting on the propositions:

    100 - Allow State Treasurer to serve more than two consecutive terms.
      No.

    101 - Drop requirement of using "fair value" for evaluating utility rate
    changes.
      No.

    102 - Change Commision on Judicial conduct.
      Yes.

    103 - Remove "male" from AZ constitution as a requirement for holding
    office.
      Yes.

    104 - Allow cities to incur extra voter-apporved debts.
      No.

    105 - Require majority vote for election of top state officers.
      Yes.

    106 - Official English
      No.

    300 - Raise legislators' salaries from $15,000 to $25,000.
      Yes.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 55181
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: APRO POET/PHUC
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:20:38

            Apro, you crack me up!  Thanks for the funnies.  And for the serious
    stuff you post, too.  (The serious stuff is usually full of prunes, but
    interesting to read nonetheless!)

    Message: 55182
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 55171
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:31:54

    I think of stereotypical conservatism as having a foundation in Edmund Burke
    (liberty for its own sake is not particularly valuable; authority of
    government, family, social communities important; Judeo-Christian
    formulation of morality).  On the other hand, libertarianism has its
    foundation in Locke and Mill, values liberty as an end rather than just as a
    means, does not value authority, does not base its morality on the
    Judeo-Christian tradition.
       Given this formulation, the two appear to be irreconcilable and the
    latter not a subset of the former.
       On the other hand, the existence of such groups as the Libertarian
    Republican Organizing Committee tends to support your view.  I think that
    within libertarianism there is a large segment which could accurately be
    described as "conservative" (such as the LROC, Reason Foundation, etc.) but
    another segment which cannot accurately be so described (the utilitarian
    libertarians, many of the anarchists).

    Message: 55184
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Unions
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 13:53:55

            I myself do not like todays Unions....  I think some of them need
    busting.  Some are controlled by the MOB...  And some have so much power,
    they can stop this Country dead in its tracks.  For that, I stand with
    President Reagan!
            Unions in the years long past, did do things good for workers
    rights.

    *=* Vote REPUBLICAN *=*   Keep America Strong.....

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55185
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Ark/Christian
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:08:58

            No, she was just trying to crash it.

    Message: 55186
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Sticker
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:10:44

            Next to the bumper sticker was another one that said, "Ron Paul for
    President".  Just thought you'd like to know.

    Message: 55187
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Libertarians
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:13:59

            The Libertarian Party gives the intellectuals hope, however being a
    minority takes much of that hope away, for the present.

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    Message: 456
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Fart Ralphy
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:36:40

    Listen baby - I can get my computer to do more than you can get your
    computer to do! I challenge you to an art contest - using a mouse - printing
    it out to perfection! Also - the picture will be animated! The stakes? A
    pound of fudge! Are you game honey?
    Today we are going to Sedona and will probably bring home a boat. We havn't
    seen it yet but it sounds like just what we want. Fun times ahead!
    =+= ANNIE THE FANNY =+=
    P.S. Do you like to fish? - water ski? - Cruise the lake?

    Message: 457
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: FISH?
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:15:01

            I thought we weren't talking 'bout that.

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    Blehm, Ralph
    Burkhart, David
    Carls, Steven
    Carter, Mike
    Hamilton, Alan
    Hawley, James
    Ianuzzi, Nick
    Innajug, Jeannie
    McCarron, Dean
    Oudin, Ann
    Poet, Apro
    Sibel, Traci
    Stone, Kobble
    Taranto, James
    Westfall, Daryl
    Williams, Rod
    Woodruff, Zak

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    Bass, Steve
    Bias, Rod
    Blehm, Ralph
    Burkett, Bill
    Burkhart, David
    Carls, Steven
    Carter, Mike
    Cervelli, Peter
    Dog, Beauregard
    Flash, Jack
    Graham, Carol
    Hamilton, Alan
    Hawley, James
    Henry, John
    Howerton, Mike
    Ianuzzi, Nick
    Innajug, Jeannie
    James, Michael
    Jones, Gary
    Lippard, Jim
    McNeill, Mike
    McSpadden, Gary
    Neal, Chris
    Oudin, Ann
    Poet, Apro
    Pulley, Lloyd
    Stoddard, Pat
    Stone, Kobble
    Taranto, James
    Westfall, Daryl
    White, James
    Williams, Rod
    Wood, Jerry
    Woodruff, Zak

    Mail to Dean Hathaway
    Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:17:54

    [A]bort, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

    Would the following message be in poor taste?

          I understand now.  Dean hauls cotton to New Jersey each week
    and returns with pig iron.  If he can squeeze a few more pounds of
    either material onto his truck and avoid some of the scales along the
    way, he can make more green paper money.  Too bad for the roads though
    but capitalism is capitalism, right?
          JT works for an ultraconservative organization and he tries to
    convince others of (their) views.  If he can squeeze a few more right
    winged ideas into his messages he gets more money.  Too bad for the
    people who believe his nonsense though but capitalism is capitalism,
    right?  JT's superiors are watching him and the more he clings to
    their ideas, replacing his, the faster he will be promoted.
          Unfortunately, this situation exists in most market places where
    there are young eager employees who need to please their bosses for
    self gain.  Perhaps JT should become his own man like Hemmingway and
    others.  The talent is certainally there.
                                    Rod

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