### Apollo BBS Archive - July 4, 1990

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 02:01:19

    I'm considering opening a brotwurst shop in Heidelburg.
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     1:I'd like to help.

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 02:11:28

    BTW, who is this guy in Louisianna (sp?) you're sending buffered messages
    to?  Is that by any chance the prison inmate you correspond with?
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     1:Yes, the prison inmate in Louisiana....you are correct.  He writes and asks
     2:for 'buffer' messages as he can't find anything 'intelligent' to read in the
     3:prison.  He is supposed to be released in about 80 days.  I am off probation
     4:having served my sentence, paid my debt to society or at least to the
     5:politicians.
     6:
     7:The whole affair cost me about ten grand on the cost level but much more on
     8:the retail level.  I came out quite a bit ahead in capitalistic dollars but
     9:in experience as well.  I'm glad I did it.
    10:Me

    Mail from Bill Burkett
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 07:08:23

    OK.  If you're in it for the joy of making Daryl uncomfortable,
    so be it; I've got no problem with that.  But I thought you were
    interested in enlightenment.  Whatever.
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     1:Okay, enlightenment it will be.  I feel better inside when there are no hard
     2:feelings on the board.  It was just that particular party mood Sunday night
     3:that got me started.  I toned it down and will do the best I can to save the
     4:situation.  Thanks for the concern.

    First name:DARYL
    Last name:WESTFALL
    Send mail to Daryl Westfall:Yes

    (NOTE: I uploaded the two messages to Daryl at this time; for my response
    see the end of this buffer wherein I re-read them so I could save them.)
    Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 67170
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Ann on Gays
    Date: 07/03/90  Time: 19:13:17

    "...but the reason AIDS got started and continues is because of what Gays
    'do'??!! Right?"
    Wrong.
    This is exactly the type of homophobic response that these people are upset
    about.  AIDS happened to get to the US through the gay community but it is
    NOT a gay disease.  AIDS is transmitted through blood and semen and you can
    get it through any type of intercourse, even in the missionary position.  As
    previously stated, in Africa the disease is spreading in great numbers
    THROUGH HETROSEXUAL contact.  And about being normal.  Most women I have
    talked to (good friends of course) tell me that they perform fellatio on
    their boyfriends, lovers, husbands.  And some women do engage in anal sex.
    The only difference is that it is a man and woman in love having sex rather
    than two men.

    Message: 67171
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: News @ 10 on 10
    Date: 07/03/90  Time: 19:37:38

    Watch Channel 10 tonight, at 10p.m., you might get a quick glance of me at
    the demonstration in front of the courthouse.  I'm the one holding the sign
    that reads "Self Defence is a Civil Right".  Anyway, you might actually
    learn a little more about the Ronnie Barlow case, too.

    Later, all...

    Michael "I'm still the NRA" Kielsky

    Message: 67172
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: News Today
    Subject: ann/gays
    Date: 07/03/90  Time: 21:10:45

    I believe that the gays have a legitimate beef against the stupid
    cartoon that Stantis had in the paper. If we are so stupid to think
    that AIDS is a gay problem, just look at Africa where AIDS is a
    heterosexual problem. Our kids just entering their sexually active
    years are at great risk.

    Message: 67173
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pough
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 00:54:08

    Thanks for the info, Michael.  I suspected it might be France-Soir that
    got it wrong.  It looks like the kind of paper that wouldn't be averse
    to editing a story slightly to enhance the "human interest" angle.

         Gordon

    Message: 67174
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: News Today
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 00:57:17

    I thought there was a theory that the first AIDS infections in humans
    came from contact with some species of monkeys in Africa.  Whether they
    were gay monkeys or not, I have no idea...

    Message: 67175
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gays
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 01:29:11

    "Homophobic" Means fear of mankind.

    That word is used (abused) by the gays when they hear something they
    have no valid or reasonable response to. Anyone who mentions their
    opinion is in anyway the slightest anti gay, they're automatically
    a HOMOPHOBE.
    People have a right to their opinions, fear of losing grounds for
    holding an opinion is openly stupid. That's why the word was brought
    up..to avoid facing difficult questions posed by thinking people.

    The LEMON effect is self evident. I think the Cartoon illustrates an
    important point. That is, if the Gays know promiscuity promotes AIDS
    and they're **oh so concerned** about spreading the disease....
    instead of whining at other people to solve their dilemma, STOP
    the DILEMMA themselves. Abstinence is better than absence.
    The latter meaning total, irrevocable abscence from living.

    They have a fool-proof method to stop from getting the disease.
    My opinion is that they should SHUT UP ALREADY.

    And cease and desist from porking strangers.

    Message: 67176
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Look at it this way!
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 01:51:26

    Same plot to the cartoon, only we'll change the topic.

    Two guys, armed to the teeth, walk into a bank while one of them
    is commenting on that they think the Govenor should increase
    police protection in order to prevent more crimes....

    Same principal. Only there's a percentage of you out there who
    have selective reading and get emotionally stirred up if its a topic
    covering one of your sacred cows.

    I can't beleive there's idiots out there who think the Government
    should be responsible for being a cure to every stupid, brain-dead
    and festering social cancer.  But that's not true....i **DO** beleive
    it because some of you think like that. You post messages touting
    that kind of mentality.  The GOVERNMENT should do it.... the GOVERNMENT
    should do it....  cradle to grave. There's even some who'll espouse
    this philosphy and then turn around and shrivel up snivelling how
    poor they are because of the oh-so-tremendous tax burden on them.

    WAKE UP YOU FOOLS.

    Message: 67177
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Roger and Steve
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 02:16:51

    Well, apparently (x^2 + 1)^-1/2 - x^2(x^2 + 1)^-3/2 can be simplified
    to (x^2 + 1)^-3/2 .  Would someone care to explain this simply?

    Message: 67178
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: jeff/algebra
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 10:36:12

    yes.
    (x^2 + 1)^-3/2((x^2 + 1) - x^2) = (x^2 + 1)^-3/2

    Message: 67179
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa on AIDS
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 11:20:35

    Re: "AIDS happened to get to the US through the gay community but it is not
    a gay disease"! Then why is it prevalent through the gay's? I guess I'm
    confused. I know that hetrosexuals can get it, but why isn't it running as
    rampant through them? I have assumed it came from anal sex basically and if
    hetrosexuals engaged in this as much as the gays, it'd would be just as high
    among them. Right?
    Please do not get your dander up in assuming I am against gays - I am not!
    To each his own where sex is concerned. But if they continue with that sort
    of sexual practice and promiscuity, then it will be basically a gay's
    disease! Any person not showing some kind of restraint re: their sexual
    practices will end up with something, if not AIDS!
    P.S. I'm NOT talking love here! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67180
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger on gays
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 11:26:14

    See my previous post to Melissa.
    Why do you think the gays have a legitimate beef against that cartoon?
    FACT: If gays continue to go to such places as bath houses to 'pick up' some
    other person, then why shouldn't it be expected they'd get AIDS?
    Ditto anyone for that matter. All I know is - If I were gay, I'd avoid such
    places like the plague. I'm hetrosexual and avoid them!!
    What is the matter with the individual taking sexual responsibilities upon
    him/herself instead of putting it on the government? Gays are no different
    than anyone else are they? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67181
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/AIDS
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 11:28:13

    I too have heard it got started from some man having sex with a monkey over
    in Africa! The monkey was not gay nor willing! Ha ha. That could never
    happen in this country - the men here prefer sheep to monkeys!! *Heh

                      -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67182
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 13:20:01

    Perhaps AIDS is Mother Nature's way of saying bye-bye to some of the more
    harmful species of Planet Earth.

    Perhaps this is how another shade from the Dark Ages will be removed?

    If the future history of this planet could be revealed (SEE MADAME ROSE,
    SPECIAL $15.) we may think that AIDS is mild in comparison.

    I wonder if it will kill as big a percentage of the population as the Black
    Death did of centuries ago?  I wonder if it will be responsible for my own
    personal death.  I have to die somehow but could think of better ways such
    as stop breathing in my sleep or being instantly crushed by a 100,000 pound
    block of steel without any notice.

    I suppose my odds are either a traffic related death or the ole heart
    getting tired and quitting.

    If AIDS became a plague and wiped out three fourts or so of the human
    population then the remaining would have developed a natural immunity for it
    and would not be bothered by that particular disease.  Something new would
    have to come about and it always does.

    As long as man is 'heavy physical', flesh eaters and such we can look
    forward to the 1-100 life expectency that our species enjoys??

    Mail to Daryl Westfall
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 12:58:52

    So, you see, Daryl, I let go one night, got too loose and out of
    consideration to all I zapped the previous messages.

    When you do find the truth it will not include some deep dark mystery that
    reads like a scary sci-fi story.  It will not include death and hell for
    anything but instead love divine.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, people put themselves in eternal hell....sure..sure.

    It will not include any type of gnashing of teeth or hurt that lingers but
    instead it will be equality of the masses.

    It will be people helping people and that to me is heaven.  It will not be
    "the chosen few" but the chosen many with not a feeling life-form taking
    blame or misery on account of "it says so."

    You have allowed yourself to be tricked into accepting this crutch and
    that is fine as long as, later on, you learn just what it was.  Life can be
    good but the religions of the world keep mans hearts and souls divided as
    can be.  All ideology is false except that which says that all are equal,
    are on the same small ship sailing through space and what one suffers, all
    will suffer.  We've got to help each other and the best, most competent
    method is the scientific approach not the religious one.  Scientific minded
    people the world over have everything in common but those with religious
    hard-ons have only disdain for each other because their narrow belief system
    stands in the way, clouds their minds with pretension and falsehood from
    ages past.  Science is that of learning new and different things.  Religion
    is the same old tired way that bears no fruit other than corruption.

    Scientists the world over can and do work together for common causes which
    involve helping a troubled planet.  People of religion are on too many
    separate wave-lengths to be able to develop anything of worth.  People of
    religion pray, light candles, or spin wheels to invoke a solution and have
    been doing it from ages past all to to avail.  It doesn't work and never
    did but I suppose it satisfies the masses and keeps them out of mischief.

    All you can do is quote from some old book that is never updated.  How
    would the human animal know if Satan changed his mind and came back into
    the fold?  It's probably the most ridiculous book ever written and has, no
    doubt, held the human animal back in his evolving to a more intelligent
    state.  I'm sure that because of it many a life has been ended unjustly.

    Many early scientists were brutally tortured for being heretic and today it
    is not that much different.  Religion has always held truth back but little
    by little people are beginning to awaken and see the real light, not the
    darkness of hell and threat of punishment.

    It appears that religion has got you firmly by the gonads and is extracting
    a price that will later in life become evident, perhaps.  Trade your
    crutches in on the one I have found.  I went through the religion bullcrap
    and am very glad to be rid of it.  My crutch is scientific thought.

    If your god can put me in his hell then so be it.  But if that little
    bastard thinks he can play fairy tale games with a certain percentage of his
    creation then I publicly spit in his face.  I smear it with feces and look
    him straight in the eye, eyeball to eyeball and simply say:

          Go fuck yourself God, you are shit.  You are the worst kind of
    disease of earth.  You are poison.  You are evil.  You are a mealy-mouthed
    mother fucker and you suck big, moldy dog cocks.

          So do with me what you will if you think you are MAN enough because I
    happen to think of you as simply a blowing fart in the wind.

    Well Daryl, that last part is about as un-scientific as one can get and I
    apollogize to you if I have offended.  I'm just making a point. Love, Rod

    Message: 67183
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 13:34:06

    Most people die from illness related problems.
    Then comes accidents and such. I think the Surgeon G.'s office had
    some statistics out about what the greatest causes of death
    were. Of course smoking was given a good chunk and oft inordinately
    blamed for problems that might have surfaced in individuals anyway.
    Then again, I don't smoke.

    Don't worry about it, Roddy...it'll all be over quicker than you think.

    Message: 67184
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Happy Fourth
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 21:31:34

    We just spent a while up on my roof watching the Westown fireworks.  Before
    and after that show, we were able to watch the fireworks at GCC.  The GCC
    fireworks were great even from my place (31st Ave and T-Bird).  We could
    also see a bit of the Peoria fireworks.

    Message: 67185
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 21:49:48

    A couple of years back "they" said that a gay flight attendant from Canada
    is thought to be the first person to begin the transmission of AIDS into the
    United States.  Since he was gay, he spread it through the gay community.
    There were about 200 plus men he infected.
    That is one, gay, promiscuous person.  I don't know why people think that
    gays are more promiscuous than heterosexuals...

    Message: 67186
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/smoke
    Date: 07/04/90  Time: 22:31:35

    I have an article in front of me that states: For every gallon of gasoline
    that is used a car dumps about 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the air.

    It goes on to explain that even though a gallon of gas weighs a little more
    than six pounds that each carbon atom joins with two atoms of oxygen thus
    emitting somewhere around four times the weight.

    And what about those figures you posted several years ago on airplane
    emissions?  You said that each airplane on takoff dumps tons of the stuff
    into our atmosphere.

    And we are surrounded by airports, Sky Harbor, Luke, Williams and a few
    small ones around the valley.

    It would seem that a driver dumps more pollutants into the environment in
    one hour of driving than a smoker does in a lifetime.

    What's your opinion?  Is this second-hand cigarette smoke just another
    smoke-screen, so to speak?

    It seems to me that neither the outside or the inside or anywhere in or near
    a large city such as Phoenix has a healthy environment.  Are we basically
    poisoning ourselves but are too caught up in industry to stop it?  Our
    offspring are going to have to mutate quite a lot in order to keep up.  Rod

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