### Apollo BBS Archive - April 20, 1988

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    Message: 3348
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Trees
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 20:00:51

    It makes no difference.  In temperate forests, reforestation is a piece of
    cake.

    Message: 3349
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Junk mail
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 20:09:26

    Third-class mail is priced lower than first-class
    because third-class mailers get less service than first-class mailers.  When
    you mail a first-class letter, the post office sorts it for you, while
    third-class (and presorted first-class) letters come to the post office
    already sorted.  Third-class mailings have to be of a certain minimum size
    (hence the name "bulk mail"), as it is more economical to provide delivery
    in volume.  Third-class letters are not forwarded if the addressee has
    moved, and delivery of third-class mail is less reliable than first-class.

    To propose that third-class mailers should pay first-class rates for
    third-class sevice is idiotic.

    Message: 3350
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 20:11:05

    Whine, whine, whine.  How much trouble is it, really, to sort through your
    mail each day and throw out the "junk"?

    Message: 3351
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: J.T.
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 22:48:18

            Good point on the First class mail Vs 3rd class....  Thanks for the
    info.
            You are right, it was idiotic!  I should like crushed worthless
    diskettes!

    Message: 3352
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 23:27:17

    Cliff,

       Any mail that I get that doesn't have at least $.18 postage, goes
    straight to the trash.  I've never had anyone send me anything important
    with less than $.18 postage....I don't know what that rate has gone up to
    now.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 3353
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: junk mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 02:01:49

    You junk mail haters don't know what you might be missing. America West
    Airlines regularly includes two-for-one or $100 discount coupons in packages
    of otherwise worthless (to me) coupons.

    Message: 3354
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Crushed Disk/Cliff
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 03:17:38

    Cliff, why don't you just get a bigger mail box. Besides don't you get alot
    of catalogs from your suppliers. You won't want to have to pay higher prices
    for your merchandise just to cover the increase cost of your supplier's
    mailings. I like some of the junk mail I get. I've gotten some real good
    bargins that way.

    Message: 3355
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: J.T./Cliff/Mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 05:14:24

    Absolutely right James. Of course, the truth won't cut much ice with the
    chronic bitchers around here. They have to have somebody or something to
    complain about, even if the gripes aren't founded.
     Cliff, as Joe said, if you're having problems with crushed diskettes, get a
    bigger box. According to regulations, you are required to have a box large
    enough to contains anything you receive regularly.
     If you still have problems, talk them over with the station manager that
    you get your mail from, in your case I believe that is the Bell Annex. Ask
    him to advise your carrier to use extra caution with such mail, which, by
    the way, should be clearly marked "fragile".
     If you are still all that aggravated with the "junk" mail that is helping
    to keep your first class rates low, then do as Lloyd does, and check the
    upper right hand corner of the envelope. If it doesn't have at least .18
    postage on it (the rate for preorted )that's sorted!) first class, then file
    it. Even for someone who can't add without a computer, that shouldn't be too
    difficult.
    (What IS your new last name, anyhow?)

    Message: 3356
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 07:16:40

       There is a news report that some postal workers in a NY P.O. faked
    postmarks so they could win in a newspaper's Superbowl contest.  They waited
    for the game to end, put the winner's name in an envelope and postmarked it
    with an earlier date.

       But anyway, does the extra service (forwarding and returns) cost *that*
    much more than bulk mail?  It is *very* rare that I use either forwarding or
    returning of first class mail -- I'd say that it was less than 1 in 1000,
    for me.  In my case, the extra cost this adds is spread out over the other
    999+ pieces of mail.  If we set the amount for forwarding/return at 5c per
    stamp (and 20c is still more than 3rd class costs) thats about $50 per
    forwarded/returned letter.  Am I just especially good about getting
    addresses right, and underuse this extra service?

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 3357
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:49:45

    They just don't get the point do they? WE JUST DON'T WANT JUNK MAIL! PERIOD!
    I don't want to take the time to sort through it - I don't want to look in
    the right hand cornor - I don't want to throw it away and I don't want trees
    to die for this wasted trash!! Cliff should get a bigger mailbox??? How
    ridiculious! For what? More trash? Leave it to the government to force
    things on people. When there's people that call selling something over the
    phone, I can hang up - ditto the TV & radio. Why can't we get our names off
    mailing lists? Who puts them on there anyway? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3358
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 13:34:10

    You CAN get your name off mailing lists.  A couple years ago I read about
    some organization you could write to that could put a stop to most of the
    junk mail you receive.  I don't think there is any charge for the service.

    Message: 3359
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last...again
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 18:44:37

       Yeah, you can get your name off of mailing lists....some of them, for a
    little while, but you'll get back on their list sooner or later.

       If the Post Office is so concerned for our well-being and us getting junk
    mail, why don't they offer us a 'trash can' option?  In other words, you
    fill out a form, give it to your deliveryman and he 'trashs' all of the bulk
    mailing stuff.  They'd still send catalogues, books, magazines and 1st class
    but not deliver the 'junk'.

       Yes, this would take a little more time at the station but would save the
    mailperson a lot of time on delivery.  They'd probably only have 1/3 to 1/2
    the mail to deliver each day and could get done sooner.

       If the junk mailers have the right to send me their junk, I should have
    the right not to accept it.  Just today, my mailbox was full....3 'real'
    letters and the rest 'junk'.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 3360
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 18:57:52

    I believe the new rate for presorted first-class is 21 cents.

    Message: 3361
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann's silliness
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 19:00:41

    Well, if you don't want junk mail, you can always just stop looking in your
    mailbox at all.  Otherwise, you can get your names off mailing lists, but it
    is probably not worth the trouble, since you probably aren't really that
    bothered by junk mail but are just complaining for the sake of complaining.
    As for trees dying, you have no business telling other people what they can
    do with their own trees.

    Message: 3362
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 22:07:24

    Dear Postal Customer:

    We sincerely regret that your mail was damaged during handling in the Postal
    Service, and we hope this incident will not seriously inconvenience you.  We
    realize that your mail is important to you, and you have every right to
    expect it to be delivered in good condition.

    Although every effort is made to prevent damage and delay to the mail, due
    to the great volume handled and the mechanized equipment which must be used
    to assure the fastest service possible, at times some damage will occur.

    We are constantly striving to improve our processing methods so that these
    occurrences are minimized or eliminated.

    Please accept our apologies.

    Very truly yours,

    Al Iniguez
    Director, Mail Processing

    Message: 3363
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: MAIL
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 00:01:33

         If not for the so-called "junk mail", I would have never received that
    personal message from Johnny Carson's sidekick.  He says I may have already
    won.
         Both of the letters sent to me by Jim Lippard over the last few years
    were "damaged during handling", interestingly enough.  The only letters I
    ever received damaged, in fact.  Maybe God does exist after all.

    Message: 3364
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/trees
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 01:10:26

            I sure hope you are correct about reforestation because on the
    National Science Quiz they mentioned it takes 20 years for one of them trees
    to grow back to the same size.

    Message: 3365
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: junk mail
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 01:12:13

            I received a 'red crimson prayer cloth' in the mail.  It is supposed
    to heal cancer, hangnails, and even dandruff.

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 771
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: GhostBuster
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 23:22:08

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    Message: 772
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 02:02:33

    That was quite frightening.

    Message: 773
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Lloyd's GhostBuster
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 03:21:03

    Lloyd, was that a self portait(sp) of you? It look awfully much like you.

                                     <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 774
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Lloyd's ghostbuster
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 07:17:50

       Naw, it doesn't look like Lloyd -- he has curly hair.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 775
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Review/Critique
    Subject: Lloyd/doodle
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:53:01

    VERY GOOD! I didn't know you had so much talent. Please enter more in the
    near future. That drawing looked like me when I go out to the mail box and
    see all that junk mail! Hahahahaha. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 776
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 18:48:29

    Ann,

       I cannot tell a lie....I have the artistic ability of a 'cub bear playing
    with his penis'.  I 'borrowed' that last one from the MANIAC roundtable on
    Delphi....in their 'Doddle' catagory.

       I was gonna put that at the bottom of the drawing but didn't have enough
    lines (missed the last 4-5 lines of the drawing).....and was too lazy to
    start another post.  (Do you know how hard it is to press 'E' and 'C' and
    then print 'Last' .)

       BTW Ann, I posted your Owls on Delphi and Genie (in the ST sigs) and it
    was very well recieved.

    (LL)oyd (I was impressed by the owls) Pulley

    Message: 777
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 22:09:20

    Put in the rest of it, you lazy bum.  I want to post it on a San Diego
    board.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1233
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 20:12:21

    Message: 1234
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Beginners
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 20:12:58

    Those "for Beginners" books are communist propaganda, as David Burkhart will
    attest.

    Message: 1235
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Purchase
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 21:36:11

    How much for a set of brass balls like the guy from Mass. had?  Or are
    those a special order item?

    Message: 1236
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 23:13:54

    I think they're Cliff's.  I think Ann wanted a memento, and then changed her
    mind.

    Message: 1237
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Jams/last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:55:39

    I don't know about that - but he did sell me that one balled mouse - but it
    ain't brass. Did I get cheated? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1238
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/J.T.
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:57:58

    Never mind JT Rod - everything to him is 'commie propaganda'. But what if it
    is? It makes for interesting reading. I doubt that once you do read it,
    you'll be converted. Right comrade? Hahaha =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1239
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: ...for beginners
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 19:02:23

    Well, Marx for Beginners ends with a statement about how Marxism is the
    truth, while Capitalism for Beginners ends with "the arguments against
    capitalism."  Also, Groundworks, a communist bookstore, sells those books.

    Message: 1240
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Beginner books
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 22:13:55

    No, JT's correct.  They are clearly intended as communist propaganda.  The
    "Capitalism for Beginners" book even has the audacity to say on the back
    cover that it presents a "fair" account.  It's nonsense, however, and both
    books show little understanding of the philosophies involved.
    If you want to read about Marxism, Rod, why not read some Mike Harrington?
    He's a fool, but at least he's an intelligent fool.

    Message: 1241
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 01:19:44

            I didn't catch the meaning on your message that mentioned 'stormy
    weather'.  Please clearify.

    Message: 1242
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Beginners
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 01:29:18

            Hell, I agree that our current form of capitalism is doing us no
    good.  I also understand that Russia's form of Communism is not exactly what
    Marx had in mind.
            I may soon consider myself a Marxist.
            Karl Marx, his wife and children lived in poverty, three of their
    children died from lack of nutrition.  They had trouble burying one of their
    children from lack of funds, Marx paid some serious dues and I give his
    observations much credit.
            I see the poor class, middle class, upper middle class as so much
    fodder for the rich pigs, slave labor if you will.  I have stated many of
    Marx's ideas in the past without so much as knowing about him or his
    specific words.
            It is not hard to come to conclusions naturally after having been
    out in this world on you own for a period.  Of course if you have something
    to fall back on during your own life, this may soften your views and keep
    many of the thoughts of a capitalitic structure at bay.
                                    Rod

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    Message: 311
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: date
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 02:06:18

    Peter will be back on the 27th of May (that's a Friday), so any weekend
    after that will be fine with him. As for me, Sunday the 29th is not so good,
    but other than that I don't have any commitments.

    Message: 312
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Excuses
    Subject: Date...
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 18:27:22

    Add my twenty bucks worth (better than saying two cents..) and I too
    would very much like to be there. I'm not asking for my money back
    as I feel that's like paying for a sack of groceries and trying to take them
    back because you got your stomach stapled.

    Nevertheless, it disappoints me to no end that the launch date was so
    hurriedly guessed at (April 24th), then swiftly changed again by proxy
    to May 15th. In future I beleive the rocket should be *** COMPLETED ***
    before ANYONE starts suggesting launch dates. We're not NASA and even they
    postponed the last launch 3 years now.
    Cliff; I really don't tthink you're being civil with Nick about this either.
    Think about it.
    The weekend before the 15th is good, after and up until the 3rd of June...
    that's vacation time for us. Instead of rushing and cramming, guessing
    and changing so much, why not set the date AFTER the rocket is completed
    and by popular vote. If anyone is unhappy about the date, they should
    state so and supply an alternative. A second vote after that should seal
    it.
              -Mike

    Message: 313
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 22:48:54

    But you are forgetting that it will be getting hotter and hotter.  I don't
    think that it is fair to move it all the way to June.  Any other
    suggestions?

    Message: 314
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick...
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 23:04:29

            Mike, I don't think I ment Nick any harm...  all I said is he is in
    charge...  The weekend before the 15th of May will NOT work for me at all...
    But if Nick wants it then...that is when it will be!
            Right Nick?
                                    Errr  Nick, say somthing!

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 51818
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The Prince
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 17:36:04

      It may perhaps seem to some, that considering the life and
    death of many Roman emperors that they are instances
    contrary to my opinions, finding that some who always lived
    nobly and showed great strength of character, nevertheless
    lost the empire, or were killed by their subjects who
    conspired against them.  Wishing to answer these objections,
    I will discuss the qualities of some emperors, showing the
    cause of their ruin not to be at variance with what I have
    stated, and I will also meanwhile consider the things to be
    noted by whoever reads the deeds of these times.  I will
    content myself with taking all those emperors who succeeded
    to the empire from Marcus the philosopher to Maximinus;
    these were Marcus, Commodus his son, Pertinax, Julianus,
    Severus, Antoninus, Caracalla his son, Macrinus,
    Heliogabalus, Alexander, and Maximinus.  And the first thing
    to note is, that whereas other princes have only to contend
    against the ambition of the great and the insolence of the
    people, the Roman emperors had a third difficulty, that of
    having to support the cruelty and avarice of the soldiers,
    which was such that it was the cause of the ruin of many, it
    being hardly possible to satisfy both the soldiers and the
    people.  For the people love tranquility, and therefore like
    pacific princes, but the soldiers prefer a prince of
    military spirit, who is insolent, cruel, and rapacious.

    They wish him to exercise these qualities on the people so
    that they may get double pay and give vent to their avarice
    and cruelty.  Thus it came about that those emperors who, by
    nature or art, had not such a reputation as could keep both
    parties in check, were invariably ruined, and the greater
    number of them who were raised to the empire being new men,
    knowing the difficulties of these two opposite dispositions,
    confined themselves to satisfying the soldiers, and thought
    little of injuring the people.  This choice was necessary,
    princes not being able to avoid being hated by some one.
    They must first try not to be hated by the mass of people;
    if they cannot accomplish this they must use every means to
    escape the hatred of the most powerful parties.  And
    therefore these emperors, who being new men had need of
    extraordinary favours, adhered to the soldiers rather than
    to the people; whether this, however, was of use to them or
    not, depended on whether the prince knew how to maintain his
    reputation with them.  From these causes it resulted that
    Marcus, Pertinax, and Alexander, being all of modest life,
    lovers of justice, enemies of cruelty, humane and benign,
    all came to a sad end except Marcus.  Marcus alone lived and
    died in honour, because he succeeded to the empire by
    hereditary right and did not owe it either to the soldiers
    or to the people; besides which, possessing many virtues

    which made him revered, he kept both parties in their place
    as long as he lived and was never either hated or despised.
    But Pertinax was created emperor against the will of the
    soldiers, who being accustomed to live licentiously under
    Commodus, could not put up with the honest life to which
    Pertinax wished to limit them, so that having made himself
    hated, and to this contempt being added because he was old,
    he was ruined at the very beginning of his administration.

    Message: 51821
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/root
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 19:58:30

    Don't you think you're overreacting just a bit?

    Message: 51822
    Author: Conrad Scott
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hamilton
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 22:20:00

    In response to your thoughts on our founding fathers, my initial
    unresearched or rehearsed response cannot help recalling the fact that our
    ever famous wooden-toothed first president whose name appears quite
    prominently on the constitution owned several slaves himself.  (I suppose
    that it was these "people" who helped maintain the hemp fields that were
    used solely for rope. ... yeah, right.........Con

    Message: 51823
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 23:17:12

    Oh, come on!  We know you're just some psuedonym for Rod.

    Message: 51824
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James Hawley #51812
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 23:30:27

       Whatsa matta, you never seen a fat lurker before?

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 51825
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/root
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 05:03:00

    It's getting so a fella doesn't know what he can eat on the trail anymore.
     I'm so terrified that I may never go trail hiking again!

    Message: 51827
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lloyd/last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:33:27

    I do not think your fat --- 'Cuddly' maybe, but not fat! Besides, everyone
    knows that an indian can 'lurk'. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51828
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/overacting
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:34:16

    That was the point! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51829
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Apple users
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 09:37:57

    I have a friend that is a realistate broker that recieved an Apple computer
    and printer as a fee. She can't get the printer to work with it and she
    needs it badly. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to call her
    and maybe help her? Let me know in private mail. She wants to use it for
    mailing lists etc. Thanks. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. The printer worked with it before but the people have since moved out
    of state and she can't contact them.

    Message: 51830
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Lippard 51815
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 13:53:08

    Is that why you wrote a book entitled "Fundamentalism is Nonsense"?  By the
    way, did you ever finish that revision?  Sorry I never finished the
    critique.
    James>>>

    Message: 51831
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 51830
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 14:44:02

    Yes, that's precisely why I wrote the booklet.  No, I never finished a
    revision and looks like I may never get around to it.

    Message: 51832
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The Prince
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 17:32:39

      Whence it may be seen that hatred is gained as much by
    good works as by evil, and therefore, as I said before, a
    prince who wishes to maintain the state is often forced to
    do evil, for when that party, whether populace, soldiery, or
    nobles, whichever it be that you consider necessary to you
    for keeping your position, is corrupt, you must follow its
    humour and satisfy it, and in that case good works will be
    inimical to you.  But let us come to Alexander, who was of
    such goodness, that among other things for which he is
    praised, it is said that in the fourteen years that he
    reigned no one was put to death by him without a fair trial.
    Nevertheless, being considered effeminate, and a man who
    allowed himself to be ruled by his mother, and having thus
    fallen into contempt, the army conspired against him and
    killed him.
      Considering, on the other hand, the qualities of Commodus,
    Severus, Antoninus, Caracalla, and Maximinus, you will find
    them exteremely cruel and rapacious; to satisfy the soldiers
    there was no injury which they would not inflict on the
    people, and all except Severus ended badly.  Severus,
    however, had such abilities that by maintaining the soldiers
    friendly to him, he was able to reign happily, although he
    oppressed the people, for his virtues made him so admirable
    in the sight of both of the soldiers and the people that the
    latter were, in some degree, astonished and stupified, while
    the former were respectful and contented.

    Message: 51834
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 18:32:14

    No, he's too busy debunking people who claim to come from Mars.

    Message: 51835
    Author: Conrad Scott
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James Hawley
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 19:42:13

    My, how observant can one man be!!!!!!!!! I'm sad to report that Apollo has
    bored me a bit this trip, I was hoping for a great debate about the
    elections or the fact that the information about Robert Kennedy's
    assasination materials were released this week minus 2400 pertinent
    photographs, or maybe... nah, only in dreams could it be that good....

                                              Con
    P.S. This is in response to 51823.

    Message: 51836
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 2400 photographs
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 23:23:14

    ... is one large number of photographs!  Did they photograph everybody in
    the whole block?

    Rev. Beau

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    Message: 1286
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 19:27:06

    That's nonsense.  Why would someone who is completely sane neccesarily be
    able to "lick the mental health problem"?

    Message: 1287
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 02:09:06

    That reminds me of a joke about eating vegetables...

    Message: 1288
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 04/20/88  Time: 10:03:21

    Your really sick Nick. Ha - thank God! Lets start another story about
    vegetables. Yum! =*--The Cucumber--*=

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     1:        I don't think anyone is completely sane, perhaps for
    periods but
     2:living in an insane world would throw that person back & forth
    between
     3:sanity and insanity.  That is where I am.
     4:        I go out during the day and it makes me insane because I
    can cope
     5:better.  When I am driving around 15th & Madison and I see the
    children I
     6:want to cry because it exists, when I get into a repossessed auto
    to make a
     7:key and I see a childs shoe or a kids book or a pamper, I want to
    weep, so I
     8:just go insane.  Our world is insane because we have not yet
    evolved far
     9:enough in our intelligence. 10:        Mothers have to leave their
    children in smelly child care centers in 11:order to do some menial,
    unnecessary job, simply to get government paper  12:money to pay the
    rent and utilities, no wonder drugs are so popular. 13:        Fathers
    leave their children also, and for the peak period of their  14:life
    and the peak period of their childrens lives.  If this isn't insanity,
    15:I don't know what is. 16:        It is good to be insane, it helps a
    lot.  When driving we can turn  17:our heads when we see a sad
    situation, it is easier and becomes easier all  18:the time.   19:
      Marx was right.
    20:                                Rod

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     1:        Sure was strange this evening....while I was scanning the cable
     2:television channels, I counted five (5) major war movies.  Hmmm, perhaps the
    government is getting our kids in the mood.
     4:        Do any 18-21 year olds want to fight some gooks this year.  You can
     5:have your own M-16 and real hand grenades.  I'm too busy, I'd rather have
     6:some kid die for me to protect me against those Commies.
     7:end

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