### Apollo BBS Archive - December 1, 1991

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            Hi Rod
            Just getting around to your letter you sent me about making lock
    smith tools.  The type you mention are stamped out.  My equipment does not
    machine 'sheet-metal' so to say.  It would take me so long to make a simple
    pick, I would have to sell it for $50.00...  I wish I had a press with dies
    to make such tools...  Thanks for the suggestion anyways.
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     1:Well perhaps there are profitable parts that you can make with the equipment
     2:that you have.  I will do a brain scan over the next few weeks and see if I
     3:can think of something.  Is business still slow?

    AIDS just won't go away.  And neither will our children.  Is education the
    way to make sure the twain never meet?

    [A] I wish the media would just shut up about AIDS!  It's an
        adult matter and our kids shouldn't be burdened with it.

    [B] I think the media's doing a pretty good job in educating the
        public, including children, about AIDS.

    [C] The media isn't doing nearly enough.  Our children are our
        future and it's much better to tell them early about AIDS
        than to wait until it's too late.

    [D] The media is over reacting with hyped facts and figures
        But, our kids should be told without frightening them.
        It is 'mostly' a shared drug needle and gay disease.

    [E] I just don't care one way or the other.

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    Message: 8716
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 14:38:08

    I wouldn't say the double Whopper with cheese is right at the top of my
    list of foods not to be missed.  But "if it tastes delicious" -- whatever
    "it" happens to be -- I always find that an excellent reason to eat it.  And
    I never suffer any dreadful aftereffects, unless you count my weight
    creeping up by a few grams.  And that can always be solved by rationing.

    Rod, do you suppose you have an actual allergy to milk proteins, or milk
    fats?  Seems to me some people lack the enzyme necessary to process them,
    just as some people lack the enzyme necessary to digest wheat.

    Message: 8717
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Shoot-out
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 15:04:31

            Not likely I or Sandy can make it.  I just can't afford the ammo!

    Message: 8718
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Bill / F A T
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 05:45:13

    RE: One thing I don't understand, however, is determining how much fat is
    "okay."

    The recomened(sp) amount is less than 30% of your total calorie(sp) intake
    per day should come from fat. One gram of fat equals nine calories. So in
    your example a product has 100 calories per serving and has 8 grams of fat
    per serving, that means that it has 72% of the calories coming from fat.
    (9 * 8 / 100 = .72 or 72 %) This is extremly(sp) high in fat, pass it up.

                               <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 8719
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Shootin' Cliff
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 08:54:16

    > Not likely I or Sandy can make it.  I just can't afford the
    > ammo!

    Oh, come on out with us, Cliff.  I'm sure some of us can lend you some ammo.

    Message: 8720
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Joe-Really F A T
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 08:54:39

    > The recomened(sp) amount is less than 30% of your total
    > calorie(sp) intake per day should come from fat. One gram of
    > fat equals nine calories. So in your example a product has 100
    > calories per serving and has 8 grams of fat per serving, that
    > means that it has 72% of the calories coming from fat. (9 * 8 /
    > 100 = .72 or 72 %) This is extremly(sp) high in fat, pass it
    > up.

    So the general formula is:

      9 * Grams of fat per serving / Calories per serving = Percent
      of calories from fat

    Gotcha.  Thanks.

    Message: 8721
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:58:02

    Re:  I just can't afford the ammo!

    Tell me what kind of Ammo you need Cliff.  I'll buy you a box.

    None of that Silver tip hollow point stuff!

    Message: 8722
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Gordon/Milk
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 22:50:36

    No Gordon, my physical body handles milk products fairly well.  The only
    time I notice an affect is when I pig out on a pizza.

    My objection is (and we had a debate on milk products several years ago on
    this system) that dairy products are not healthy for the human animal.  Milk
    and cheese tends to lay in the large intestines and rot.  We use a little of
    what these products have to offer in the way of vitamins and minerals.

    The U.S. government recently wanted to label these products, along with red
    meat as not healthy to our system.  But you and I know how powerful these
    organizations are, plus just think how much faster our country would slip
    into a depression if people no longer supported these giant industries.

    Another objection is that we humans take a female cow (another fine animal)
    and lock it into a stall.  Then we put a metal suction device on its tits to
    drain the animal.  (Yes, I know they "Moo" when full and want to be drained
    but wouldn't any of us do that if our offspring was taken away at birth?)

    I also object to eating veal although I'm sure my body can handle that
    fairly well.

    I would rather die than to eat veal.  And my intake of milk related products
    has been cut way down although it is hard to get away from considering Milk
    Chocolate and bread contain milk.  "Moo"

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    Message: 5170
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Erotic Stories
    Subject: Drizzle
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 22:09:13

    The sky booms just seconds after I see a brilliant finger of god strike the
    ground.  The wind blows briskly, brushing my hair, as a lover would, out of
    my eyes.  The tiny drops burst as they hit my skin and run rivers, falling
    between my knuckles. Another flash startles me and I jump, returning to the
    bedroom and sliding the glass door shut before the sky begins bellowing
    again.  I open the blinds and draw them up to the ceiling, turn off the back
    light and bed lamp.  I turn up the music from the stereo.  What a lovely
    accompaniment the thunder with make with Bach.  I return to my beudior and
    stack up the pillows so I can recline on the billowy, blue satin bed yet
    still have a magnificent few of the boisterous storm outside.  I start to
    float away into the 17th century with Sebastian as we dance in a grand
    ballroom, drink champagne from long stemmed glasses, step out on the veranda
    to watch the rain fall onto the blooming roses...
    You awaken me gently, rubbing your hand over the blue satin that covers my
    belly, slipping the sheets down past my thighs.  You lean over my mouth as
    your hot breath makes my tongue ache for yours.  I open my eyes to see the
    rain dripping down the window, the music gone, and the room a dark blue.
    "The power went out, Love" you inform.
    "Oh, darn.  Guess you can't work on your computer anymore then."
    "No," you say with a pout.
    "Well," I tease as my hand follows your line of hair down your chest, over
    your belly button, and into your pants, "maybe we can find something else to
    do in your copious spare time."

    "Hummm, maybe," you toy, falling onto the bed and rolling me over.
    You pull my hands underneath me, bounding me with my own body.  I try to
    resist, but not much.  I love to have you take me.  I love it when you have
    me take you. You must have read my smile and lower your boxers and quickly
    jump up in front of my face. I breathe on it first, making it jump up and
    hit my nose.  I laugh.  You "ahhhh".  I lick the glistening jelly from your
    head.  I "mmmm".  You "ohhhh".   Then I reach my tongue out as far as it
    will go, making sure it's nice and wet and then make my way up from the
    bottom of your hard staff to the tip of your lovely cock.  I "yum".
    You "OHhhh ho ho".   Then I take you deep into my throat, sliding it in so
    far that your balls hit my chin.  I can only hear muffled moans as your legs
    close around my ears.  I feel your strong legs tensing against my shoulders
    and then drop back as you slowly slide in and out of my velvet mouth.  You
    reach behind and pull my panties up into that tight crevous, the soft cotton
    pushing on my swollen clit and rubbing in between my cheeks.  You lightly
    run your fingers over the outer lips and every once in a while, sneak one
    finger to the middle, hitting my pleasure pea..
    I feel you getting longer and wider in my mouth.  In my hand, your jewels
    are as hard as diamonds.  You slip your hand underneath my wet panties,
    finally touching my wanting bud. I arch up to met your hand and take you
    even deeper into my throat.  I can hear you clearly again as your legs move
    back from my head.

    "Ohhhh" comes from deep within your throat.  I start to release my moans as
    well, my well readying itself to explode.  I start to choke and you pull out
    and lay beside me whispering, "let me hear you scream...Come on, baby, let
    go...let go..." Your words turn me on as much as your hands!  You drop your
    mouth over my hard nipple, one finger drops down inside my gripping well,
    another plays double time on my clitoris. I know there's no way out of this
    ecstasy.  I start falling away from you, the bed, the rain outside, into
    this bright tunnel towards the sea.  Waves of pleasure pulse outward from my
    core and flow through my limbs, making me convulse and shake.  It seems to
    last for minutes and then I start to hear the noises of the world come back
    faintly as I gasp and moan into your kissing mouth.
    "Yes, baby, yeah...you're ok...I'm here, I'm here...I love you..."
    I open my eyes to see you there, fire still in your eyes.  My walls are
    pulsing and gripping your still finger.  You set a pace for my breathing as
    you slowing enter and withdraw from me, kissing my ears and giving me goose
    bumps.
    "Can we open the patio doors?" I ask.
    You get up off the bed.  As lightning flashes, I see the silhouette of you
    standing, bare and beautiful.  Your image is burned on my eyes so I can gaze
    at your long rod sticking straight up.  I rush off the bed, slip on my gauze
    night shirt and  run outside to the wet air.  The smell of the whipped up
    dust and calichi fills my nose.

    "What are you doing out there, you silly?"  you question.
    "Getting wet"
    "Oh I thought you already WERE wet!" you kid.
    "Getting wetter then!"
    I move away from the shelter of the roof and walk into the rain.  The large
    droplets pelt the delicate fabric, enbedding the soft material into my skin.
    I turn round so you can watch as my nightgown turns from opaque to
    translucent.  Your mouth goes from open to gapping as you see my curves come
    into view before your eyes. You move out to me, water running over your hard
    muscles, hardening my nipples.  You move down to kiss my chest through my
    shirt.  I gasp as the warmth of your mouth and the cool rain send
    conflicting pleasures to my brain.  Steam rises from my chest as you take
    first one breast in your hands to warm it and then the other.  All my blood
    rushes to my groin again and I feel weak in the knees, resting my head on
    the back of your shoulder.  You lift me up and carry me back inside.  Once
    inside, I lean against the inside of the glass door. I see your
    still ready rod and get an idea.  I press myself against the glass,  my
    nightshirt resting on the top of my bottom.
    "Are you ready for me?"  I tease.
    "Ohhhh ho ho," you answer

    You move toward me, grabbing hold to either side of my hips.  As I rise to
    my tip-toes, you bend your knees so  you're pressing against my hole.  You
    gently slide into me and another flash of light slices the sky.  We both
    look up and out. "What a view for the neighbors if they happen to look over
    fence" you remark.  I start to laugh but it gets cut off in my throat as you
    move higher inside me.  I "ohhhh, my" as you melt my insides.  You bring a
    hand around front and and massage my breasts, rubbing from the outside in
    big circles and getting smaller and smaller and closer and closer and
    "YESsssss"  I hiss as you reach my nipple, twisting it between two fingers.
    You move your other hand down to my point of entry and rub with one finger
    in small circles around my mound, getting smaller and smaller and bringing
    in another finger and another and another and
    "YESsssss" I moan as your whole hand rubs in a circle, pulling my clit in
    and out of my hood as you pull yourself in and out of me.  I feel a tingling
    in my legs that rises up the back of my calves, runs through my knees and
    wraps around my thighs.  It fingers up through my ass and lands in a splash
    on my clit as you pump your come deep into my gripping gap, your buttocks
    shuddering, legs shaking.  You move your hands from me to support your
    weight against the sweating window.  Still connected, I twist to kiss your
    heaving mouth. "Thank you" we say simultaneously.
    We walk back to the bed and colapse, the water underneath us sloshing, the
    rain outside still trickling, the night sky faintly flashing and quietly
    moaning.  We lay back against the pillows and watch the sky as it settles
    and whines, crying itself to sleep.

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    Message: 1553
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: New-Release
    Subject: _Primitive Tribe_
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 14:14:52

    My brother's Flagstaff based band seems to be doing quite well.  Their song,
    "Plastic Land" is #22 on the Radio Kaos (an alternative program on a regular
    pop station) most requested list.  They beat out U2!  In fact, they are the
    only local small time band on the list!  Way to go, Tribe!
    If you want to get one of their tapes, they are available in the valley at
    Peter Petrisko's Metropophobobia for 4.50.
    A great stocking stuffer idea!

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     1:Does anyone know of a good place to buy drive belts for Compact Disk
     2:players?  I went to Radio Shack a few days ago looking for one for their
     3:model CD1400 with no luck.  They said to check with a electronics
     4:distributor.  I thought they were one.
     5:
     6:I found that a piece of bicycle innertube did the trick although I would
     7:suspect the length of service would be less than OEM.  In any case I cut
     8:several dozen 'belts' from the tube and I still have 98% of the tube intact.
     9:
    10:I shopped at Electronic Distributors when they were on 3rd St. and Indian
    11:School and then followed them to their 25th St. & I.S. location but they
    12:went out of business.
    13:
    14:I would love to find a large packet of mix and match belt material.  It
    15:seems that they would be easy and cheap to manufacture.
    16:end

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    Message: 80179
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Bill on me & Rod
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 05:22:27

     Our outlooks may seem similiar, Bill, but I can assure  you that we look at
    life (and death) from completely different perspectives. And never the twain
    shall meet!

    Message: 80180
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill on Sex-Ed
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 05:31:22

    "The whole mess of having the schools explain this stuff could be avoided if
    parents would accept the responsibility to make explanations themselves and
    wold then follow through and do some explaining."
     A little redundancy there, I think, but I couldn't agree more with the
    concept. The days are long since past when parents can shrug off the
    responsibility of properly raising their children to day care centers and
    the school system. We can no longer tell our children that the stork brings
    babies, or if girls kiss boys they'll get pregnant. Children can understand
    and handle truth far better than most adults give them credit for, and the
    place to learn these things is in the home. Unfortunately, the family
    structure has been greatly weakened by many circumstances the past 20 years
    or so, making some things more difficult. Sort of a vicious cycle in
    operation. Maybe a return to the strong family unit of a couple of
    generations ago would be a good place to start breaking the cycle. For that,
    we have to take a hard look at working mothers, current child abuse laws
    that can interpret simple discipline as abuse, and an economy that demands
    at least dounle incomes for survival. For starters.

    Message: 80181
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie on the media
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 05:39:00

     "It's just another damn fad until after the smoke clears away."
     What's a fad, Annie? Hundreds of thousands of lives being lost to this
    insidious disease? Mostly homos, granted, a section of society whose
    lifestyle I detest, but that does not justify just letting them die because
    of their own misdeeds. They are still human beings, and so long as the
    disease continues to spread, and the threat to all of society continues
    unabated, the coverage will continue, in the name of education if nothing
    else. Perhaps you and I and everyone on this BBS knows all we need to know
    to avoid getting AIDS, but the fact that there are people out there who are
    still making contact with it, I think we owe it to them to continue telling
    them the whys, hows and wherefores. Cemetary space is abot to become
    premium, and the last time I looked, they weren't making any more real
    estate.

    Message: 80182
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Felix-Most? Ha!
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 07:30:56

    > I think most parents do tell their children.  I have 3 boys,
    > 12, 13, and 15.

    I don't know, but I'd bet you're wrong.  YOU might have told your kids, and
    I might have told my kids, and Cliff might have told his kids, but we aren't
    most people.

    I think most people are uncomfortable telling their kids about such things
    and are satisfied to let the schools and the media do the dirty work.

    Message: 80183
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Oh, Ann
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 07:31:32

    > Oh come on yourself Bill! I still say what the hell are we
    > doing to our childen that the PARENTS have to take the
    > responsibility as you said to tell their kids about a disease
    > like AIDS?   No matter what that reporter was asking the 6 - 7
    > year old children ... This is all crazy and people like you
    > don't see it for what it is and you go out and burden little
    > kids with this junk.

            No, YOU come on yourself, Ann!!
            Gordon has said everything I have to say on this subject, and he's
    said it much, much better than I could.  I refer you to his series of posts.
            And, to me, it IS important what that reported said to those
    children, because I believe, in order to justify your preset opinion on this
    subject, you probably "heard" more than was said.

    > But I don't see where the media is touting 'abstinence' as a
    > way to curtail AIDS, do you?

    I can't recall a news story in the recent past that didn't couple (sorry)
    "safe sex" with "abstinence."

    Message: 80184
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Waiting for Gordo
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 07:31:56

    Did anyone ever notice how quiet it seems to get in here when Gordon posts
    one of his treatises?  No matter what the commotion, no matter whether you
    agree or disagree, Gordon's stuff demands to be listened to.

    A lovely, lovely series of posts, Gordon.

    Message: 80185
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ridiculous Rod
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 07:32:15

    > I've gotta make points in a ridiculous fashion.  There are too
    > many educated, well written people on this system and I can't
    > compete.

    And here I thought you did it because it's so effective.

    > I did notice the opening for a 'ridiculous writer' here and I
    > grabbed it.

    I, for one, am glad you did.  It's good to have you back on a regular basis.

    Message: 80186
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on AIDS
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 09:43:41

    Doesn't anyone read my posts anymore? I never said there wasn't people dying
    from the disease or that they wern't human beings - I was talking about the
    media making a fad out of it. I still say, if it wasn't sexual in nature, no
    matter if "hundreds of thousands" of people were dying from it, it would not
    be plasterer every where you turn! More people by far die of other diseases
    and not a word is said about them.
    I will post those statistics again if I can remember them ...
    There are 9-10 million people with AIDS WORLD wide
    7 million of those cases are in Africa.
    200,000 have it in the United States.

    OK - lets look at those statistics ... if you deduct the 7 million in Africa
    from the 10 million, thats 3 million world wide. WORLD WIDE!!! Compared to
    even Malaria, that's a drop in the bucket. Ditto heart disease, cancer, etc.
    Out of all those millions, about 72% are homos or of a culture that they
    have anal intercourse - do not frown on it.

    When you look at that 3 million world wide, it seems like a lot, but not
    when you think China alone has over a billion people.

    If we only have 200,000 people with AIDS in the U.S. - that is also a drop
    in the bucket. I say this entire subject is way over blown and media
    inspired and we are panicing because of it. I have not thought this way all
    along, but only lately. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80187
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/200,000
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 11:06:23

    It took 8 years to get the 1st 100,000 and it took 2 years to get the second
    100,000. How long do you think it will take to double now ? 100,000 here or
    there and pretty soon you have an epidemic.

    Message: 80188
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Social Director
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 11:07:35

    I nominate George Burns.

    Message: 80189
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Food
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 11:24:34

    Chocolate-orange muffin, anyone?

    Message: 80190
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 11:48:33

    Re:  Our traditions still have us by the gonads.  They need to be
    carefully examined and de-glitched.

    Are you talking about our traditions or our gonads?

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 80191
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 11:57:00

    Re:  you and I and everyone on this BBS knows all we need to know to avoid
    getting AIDS, but the fact that there are people out there who are still
    making contact with it, I think we owe it to them to continue telling them
    the whys, hows and wherefores.

    I think 99% of the people making contact already know the "whys, hows, and
    wherefores."  They just do it anyway.  Magic is a good example.  He knew the
    "whys, hows, and wherefores", but he just did it anyway.  I'm not sure what
    we're fighting here, but it's not just ignorance.

    Message: 80192
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Green
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 12:06:51

    Re: your ... "It too 8 years to get the 1st 100,000 ...."

    Yes and we have became more promiscuous in the last 10 years than ever
    before in the history of mankind. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80193
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cat #80191
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 12:10:19

    Exactly what I've been saying. How much education do we need?
    I too do not know what the arguing is about on this board. Everyone seems
    out to insult the next guy without even reading their posts closely.
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80194
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon on AIDS
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 12:12:00

    I always enjoy your posts Gordon, even when I disagree like I do
    with your Children/AIDS posts. No - that isn't entirely true
    because I do agree with most of it, but evidently you miss my
    point because you got off on some far out plane talking about
    "people not wanting their children to see their weaknesses" and
    "their shame," "lying to them has got to stop," and "that some
    people can't abide the thought that the kids know about such
    things as Gays" et al. The quotes are yours. I'm sorry, as
    interesting as it was, I don't feel had anything to do with it.

    Lets simplify this and let me ask you ...

    (1) Do you feel it was OK for the reporters to go into a class
        room of 6 year olds and ask them what they think about Magic
        Johnson's AIDS?
    (2) Do you think children of that age should be told about AIDS
        ... if they ask, if they don't' ask?
    (3) What is telling them entail... Anal intercourse? Gays? How it
        is spread? If a 6 year old has not been told the facts of
        life yet, would it become necessary to teach that child right
        then in order to explain AIDS?
    You obviously do not think that the media is keeping the fire
    stoked on this subject because it sells. Did you read my
    statistics? Which BTW was a very small article! Ironic.

    Message: 80195
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 14:25:44

    I will try to hit the library this week to back up my statement.
    Also, another question for you:  you seem to be saying that since "about 72%
    are homos" who have AIDS, that that means it's their fault if they catch the
    disease and die and who really cares since they are homos.
    If this was a disease that only effected blacks (or African-Americans or
    whatever they want to be called these days) or only effected women, would
    you be so quick to write off the research?  There are, by the way, diseases
    that only effect women and blacks, in case you were going to say that that
    was a stupid example.

    Message: 80196
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Beau
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 14:26:15

    Good muffins, babe!  Maybe we can bring some to the shoot out.

    Message: 80197
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dee on Ann
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 15:01:23

            Dee... A black can't be anything but a black.  A woman can't be
    anything but a woman. But a gay can quit being gay or at least restrain
    himself/herself from unprotected sex acts.  Seems to me these gay people
    have many partners... They could also keep it to just ONE 'lover' (sic)
    who has a clean bill of health.  (each one)

            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 80198
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Stuff for $$$$$
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 17:19:17

            Brand new TEAC 1,2 meg Floppy drive for AT type computers. $30.00

            One used 1200 baud Prometheus (external) modem  $30.00

            One 'Barry Goldwater' collectors plate (#633) "The Statesman" by
            artist Don Ruffin.  $50.00

            One Pewter Star Ship Enterprise (first one) $150.00

            One rolling shed...  A front end wrecked 1978 Dodge van  $100.00
            Really does make a good shed, keeps things off the ground & dry!

            IBM type software.. Certificate Maker, Home Video Producer,
            Space Station OBLIVION, Murder by The Dozen...
            $5.00 each or all 4 for $10.00

            Atari ST software..  Joust (2 left) and  TextPro  $5.00 takes all

            Stamp Collection... U.S. and/or United Nations....  $???.??

            One small desk (20 by 37) w\ one draw and lower shelf $10.00

            Parting out 1982 Charger (Dodge Omni)  call.... 843-3346
                    or leave mail to SYSOP in [P]ost Office.

    Message: 80200
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Promiscuity
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 17:48:16

    And would you say that society has become more or less promiscuous in the
    last 2 years ? I would hazard a guess that it would be less promiscuous than
    previously due to the AIDS scare.

    I have also heard that the rate of AIDS in the homosexual community has
    dropped over the last few years, due in large part to the onset of AIDS in
    that group.

    AIDS continues because of intravenous drug users and prostitution in the
    heterosexual community.

    Message: 80201
    Author: John Groseclose
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann's morality
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 20:28:23

    Ann says:
    AO> Re: your ... "It too 8 years to get the 1st 100,000 ...."
    AO>
    AO> Yes and we have became more promiscuous in the last 10 years than
    AO> ever before in the history of mankind. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Ever heard of the Holy Roman Empire, Ann?  Adolescent homosexuality was
    smiled on, men freely had sex with their wives, their slaves, and
    occasionally their pets?  The world today is far LESS promiscuous than that.
    Of course, AIDS may do for the modern world what lead poisoning did to the
    Romans. . . .

    Message: 80202
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 03:42:26

    Ann, your figures are incorrect.  It is estimated that 1.5 million poeple in
    the United States are HIV positive.  Within the next eighteen months, a
    total of 200,000 people in this country will have died of AIDS.

    You don't need to be a math genius to envision the devastation this disease
    can and will cause if neither a cure nor a vaccine are found.  It took until
    1988 to kill the first hundred thousand people.  Within the next ten years,
    it will kill at least one million more.

    Message: 80204
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Archi / HIV test
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 06:24:20

    RE: You can trust the person 100% and still be aware that he or she may not
    know he or she is infected.

    I agree with this. My girl friend and I talk about this just this weekend.
    She has already been tested for HIV, but I have not. My life style for the
    last 23 years puts me in a very low risk group. But I'm still going be
    tested for HIV, just for our peace of mind.

                           <<< Joe >>>

    Message: 80205
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix/Magic
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 06:46:53

     Speaking of the Magic Johnson thing, since you brought it up, there is an
    excellent letter to the editor in this morning's Repulsive, by one L. Donnan
    of Apache Junction. It expresses pretty well what most of us shold probably
    be feeling about this "hero's" admissions.
     We seem to be setting some pretty sorry examples for heroes these days,
    don't we?

    Message: 80206
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau and Melissa
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 06:49:56

     Chocolate/orange muffins? Am interesting combination, to say the least.
    While I would rather bake pies, I may give that a try one of these days.

    Message: 80207
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dee #80195
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 07:42:28

    I seem to be saying???? When did I ever say 'who really cares sice they are
    homos?'
    I am only saying that I don't think the disease warrents pulling off other
    diseases because it is NOT THAT MUCH OF A THREAT per se than other diseases
    are!! Did you hear me or need I shout more?
    I also said that the media is hyping it! ...
    That I didn't think children 6 years old need be told in detail about it!..
    That I don't think much of Magic Johnson and certainly don't think he is a
    hero in the least...
    AIDS has a great amount of people contributing to a cure. MY PERSONAL
    opinion is - leave the other monies alone. That's all Melissa. Why you must
    read something else into what I am saying I don't know. It's very
    unecessary. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80208
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff #80197
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 07:44:48

    Some people here seem to be blind to that fact.

    May I add to your post and say that it goes for hetrosexual people also.

                               -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80209
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick on AIDS
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 07:49:45

    I guess our statistics are what we as individuals read in the paper or
    magazines.

    What exactly is your solution? You mentioned education. We've had it for a
    few years now and it still rises. Find a cure? Of course we want a cure for
    that or any disease, but you never answered - do we pull monies off other
    research? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80210
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John #80201
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 07:59:01

    I don't agree at all. The Roman Empire was decadant - the rest of the world
    was not. Through out history men have had many lovers, mistresses, etc. but
    the other, larger half of the race, women, have not and that is throughout
    history!! I do not recall any ancient race of people condoning their women
    to be promiscuous and that goes for today too. In America is seems that the
    women are catching up to the men - for example 60% of the wives cheat on
    their husband's compared to about 75% of the men that do. That 60% is at a
    all time high for American women. So I don't believe your ... "The world
    today is far less promiscuous". -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 80211
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann - 1
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 08:52:44

    > Doesn't anyone read my posts anymore?

    Plenty of us read your posts, Ann.  And most of us disagreed with the
    central point you initially made:  That AIDS education had gone too far.  It
    seems now that you're trying to change the emphasis of your messages to
    point out that the so-called AIDS epidemic is getting far too much attention
    in the press.  On this point you'll find a great deal of agreement.

    > ...we have became more promiscuous in the last 10 years than
    > ever before in the history of mankind.

    Baloney!  I personally know several men who have completely stopped
    "sleeping around" in the last several years.  There are no doubt still quite
    a few promiscuous people out there, but nothing like the '70s and early
    '80s, much less "in the history of mankind."

    Message: 80212
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann - 2
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 08:53:27

    You didn't address your questions to me, but I'd like to answer them anyway:

    > (1) Do you feel it was OK for the reporters to go into a class
    >     room of 6 year olds and ask them what they think about Magic
    >     Johnson's AIDS?

    Depending what, specifically, the reporter asked the children, yes.

    > (2) Do you think children of that age should be told about AIDS
    >     ... if they ask, if they don't' ask?

    Yes, if they ask.

    > (3) What is telling them entail... Anal intercourse? Gays? How it
    >     is spread? If a 6 year old has not been told the facts of
    >     life yet, would it become necessary to teach that child right
    >     then in order to explain AIDS?

    The child's curiosity should be answered.  "Why did Magic have to quit
    basketball?"  "Because he has a very serious illness."  "What's he have"
    "It's called AIDS and can cause his body to get very sick from things that
    might not affect you or I so badly."  "How'd Magic get AIDS?"  "No one knows
    for sure.  There are a lot of ways to get it."  "Could I get AIDS?"  "Yes,
    but it's really not very likely."  And so on, as far as it needs to go.

    Message: 80213
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oh, Cliff!
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 08:53:51

    > One Pewter Star Ship Enterprise (first one) $150.00

    NOT THE PEWTER ENTERPRISE!!!

    Message: 80214
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/Kids
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 15:24:34

    I think I agree with you.  An honest question from a kid deserves and honest
    answer.  I do think that it is appropriate that things be presented to kids
    from the standpoint that just becasue adults may not be perfect and may have
    lost some of their allusions that doesn't mean that the kids needs to think
    everything is bleak for the future.  You shouldn't destroy a childs hope
    because you have lost yours or had it smashed thru the vicissitudes of life.
      Just because statistically 20% of todays children are going to get AIDS
    you don't have to present that info you a child as if he/she is going to be
    in that 20%.

    Message: 80215
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: REligreligious right
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 15:27:36

    I say religious right because in my experiance that group can be counted on
    to oppose anything that they view as something that will facilitate sexual
    activity.  Allowing people to check out their prospective sex partners on
    the spot will make it easier for people to engage in sex on the first date
    again since they will ahve some better idea of who is "safe".

    Message: 80216
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDs
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 15:32:14

    If I heard the news story correctly, 25% of NEW AIDS cases in this country
    are Heterosexual people.  While the statistic that "only" 5% or whatever of
    known AIDS cases are Hetro may be somewhat reassuring to some, the 25%
    statistic ought to scare the hell out of you if you have kids who will be
    entering into their sexually active but single years anygime soon.

    Message: 80217
    Author: $ Fred Smith
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Magic/Hero
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 15:41:09

    ALthough you and I often don't agree I do agree with you on the absurdity of
    calling Magic a hero.  I find him neither a hero or martyr.  Of course he
    may have caught it years ago (doubtfull) he did not indicate that he slowed
    in his "accommodation" of women even in the last 2 years when most adults
    knew the risks of such high level promiscuity.  He also should at least be
    given credit for the grace with which he is facing his situation.  Doesn't
    make him a hero, of course, but at least he is honest about his situation.

    Message: 80218
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mz. Dee
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:38:46

    Re:  you seem to be saying that since "about 72% are homos" who have AIDS,
    that that means it's their fault if they catch the disease and die and who
    really cares since they are homos.

    Well, no one would say they don't care about another human being dying  I'm
    sure Annie does care very much.  We all care, but your comment about "it's
    not their fault."  Well, who's fault is it?  The homos know a 100% absolute
    guaranteed method to stop AIDS/HIV dead in it's tracks, but the statistic of
    72% seems to indicate they don't have a problem with taking a risk.  So
    who's fault is it?

    Re:  If this was a disease that only effected blacks

    Are you maybe talking about "sickle cell anemia?"  If so, you are comparing
    apples to oranges.  Modern medicine does not know how to prevent SCA, but we
    do know how to prevent AIDS/HIV.

    Message: 80219
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Groseclose
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:42:21

    Re:  Adolescent homosexuality was smiled on, men freely had sex with their
    wives, their slaves, and occasionally their pets?  The world today is far
    LESS promiscuous than that.

    What's makes you think it's any less?  Sounds about the same to me.  And you
    know what happened to the Roman Empire.  Hmmmmmm.

    Message: 80220
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bill
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:47:52

    Re:  Baloney!  I personally know several men who have completely stopped
    "sleeping around" in the last several years.

    Double Baloney!  So you know two (several) men who have completely stopped
    "sleeping around."  I'm sure that will swing the tide against AIDS/HIV and
    all the other VD's.  HA!

    Message: 80221
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bill
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:50:25

    Re:  "How'd Magic get AIDS?"  "No one knows for sure.

    No one knows for sure???  We know exactly how he got it, unless Magic is
    lying about it.

    This whole conversation on AIDS/HIV is getting really deep!

    Message: 80222
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Fred
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 16:54:41

    Re:  Allowing people to check out their prospective sex partners on
    the spot will make it easier for people to engage in sex on the first date
    again since they will ahve some better idea of who is "safe".

    The subject was supposed to be "Fred."  Sorry about that.

    Right, we really need to promote sex on the first date.  I'm sure that will
    make our country a better place to live.  Just think of all the benefits of
    have sex on the first date.

    Message: 80223
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff, Ann, Cat
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 21:59:27

    You all are obviously in the "homos have a choice" category and I am not.
    Did you choose to be hetrosexual?
    And women and men CAN choose to change their sex.  As for blacks, Michael
    Jackson has been taking pills and injections for years, in addition to his
    numberous plastic surgeries, to try and lighten his skin.

    Cliff- Of the 20 or so gay persons I have known, none of them were any more
    or less promiscuous than my hetrosexual ones.

    Ann-  I often have to read things into what you are writing because I have a
    hard time trying to figure out just what you ARE saying sometimes.  However,
    I did misunderstand you.  I apologize.

    Message: 80224
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Wow
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 22:00:41

    The new governor would have been David Duke had we voted?
    Scary.

    Message: 80225
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Green Lantern
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 23:08:22

    I second the nomination for George Burns as social director of this country.
    It makes sense.

    We need a charismatic, outspoken person to direct this country.  It seems
    that everytime we get one or get close to having one they are killed.

    No wonder I want to leave this planet and NEVER return.

    Message: 80226
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS
    Date: 12/02/91  Time: 23:16:44

    I have managed to aquire a small vial of the AIDS virus.  It is probably
    enough to infect several hundred thousand people.

    All I am asking is $3.00 per hit or two hits for $5.00.  Part of the profit
    will go towards feeding my family & some more of it will help complete my CD
    collection.

    Thanks.

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    Message: 26
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Old [V]ote
    Subject: KKK Governor
    Date: 12/01/91  Time: 10:06:40

    Imagine yourself transported to Louisiana where voters are being asked to
    choose a new governor.  Neither of the two remaining choices are very
    appealing:  One is an ex-governor who was accused but never convicted of
    racketeering.  The other is a former KKK leader and was once perhaps a Nazi
    who now professes more moderate views.

    You are a good citizen who has exercised his or her franchise at every
    opportunity in the past and wish to do so again.

    For whom would you vote?

    [A]      The ex-governor.

    [B]      The ex-KKK leader.

    [C]      I would abstain from voting.

    Poll results:
    [A] 8    [B] 9    [C] 13
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