### Apollo BBS Archive - April 23 - 26, 1989

    Late Night Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1630
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Todd Reese
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 02:19:45

         Interesting you should use the quote, "Wake up and smell the coffee" on
    the late night board.  That's some sort of anachronism, or bad pun, or...
         What I dispute is who needs to do the waking up.  That's what I hate
    about dogmatic belief systems, they are self-validating.  There is no room
    for growth or improvement, for change when flaws are found with certain
    points of view.  This goes just as well for dogmatic atheism and libertarian
    -ism as it does for Christianity and right-wing conservativism (or
    socialistic liberalism).
         Ya know what I mean?

    Oh, and by the way, Mormonism sucks.

    Message: 1631
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 00:28:50

    Boy, you guys take the cake.  First Rod brings up my religion, calling me
    ignorant.  Do I take it seriously?  No.  Rod thinks that any belief system
    other than his own is ignorant.  So what do I do?  Make some casual
    conversation.  After all, this is the late night sig.  Then what happens?
    This Zak fellow decides it's time for "The World according to Zak" hour,
    ending with an unwarranted, undeserved cheap shot.

    That's fine, Zak.  Have at it.

    Message: 1632
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: the SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Zak/Todd
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 09:41:01

            I saw it Todd... It was a cheap shot done in poor taste on Zaks
    part.  He should APOLLOgize to you if he has any moral feelings at all.
    This in not the SIG for that kind of stuff anyways...

            Cliff

    Message: 1633
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak/message
    Date: 04/27/89  Time: 00:07:52

    Zak was smashed on M & M's when he wrote the message in question.  Todd, I'm
    glad you don't take my comments too seriously.  I smile when I post them.  I
    hope you do the same.  Rod
    P.S.  Mormonism sucks.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit-Chat

    Subject:Sandy/answer

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        The following five message are on abortion and describe the use of
     2:seaweed.  Skip what you want.  -Rod
    22:Sandy, the second message deals with the sea weed.  -Rod

    NOTE: I uploaded the five messages labeled, Abortion 1-5 .ASC

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5453
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 17:00:50

            Is using seaweed supposed to imply a healthy abortion?

    Message: 5454
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:14:46

            I checked out abortions a few weeks ago at the ASU library.  I have
    the file on my findings on disk but I only scanned it.  Seaweed is used but
    I will have to read the file.  I will report.

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 142
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 02:07:34

    That quote is out of context!

                                               Peter

    Message: 143
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Peter/Zak
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:15:42

    Your mama.

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 160
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: For Sale!
    Subject: Psssst!
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 02:10:10

         Anybody want to buy some MCI codes?  How about a nice Compuserve
    password?  Sound good?  $10 or best offer.

                                                     Peter

    Message: 161
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Hardware Not Listed
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 03:47:55

    Didn't you do enough babbling on the main board?

    Message: 162
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 17:07:25

            He is not babbling here, he is psssssting.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3044
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 08:41:04

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!

    Message: 3045
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 12:26:54

    Ann I Have some of the best darkroom equiptment made and have played
    with photography for over 50 years, but I'm not a dirty old man.
                            Love Ya,

    Message: 3046
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: THANG
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 02:14:09

         Ann, do you still have the Thang, or did it shrivel up?  Did it corrode
    and did you have to throw it out, or what?  I'm not asking because I was
    involved IN MAKING IT, or anything like that, I'm just asking because, well,
    quite frankly, I'm a curious guy.  So what'd you do with the dick?

                                                       Peter
                                                    I mean, Zak

    Message: 3047
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Ralphy/#3045
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 08:06:17

    Your NOT a dirty old man????? Hahahhahahahahaha. Love ya. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3048
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Zakey Baby
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 08:12:25

    Since you've been gone, I have recieve another THANG and this one is a work
    of art!
    Sorry! I can't tell you what I do with the 'dick' - be too embarrassed!
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. You still using and reading my tutorial? Has your music tastes changed
    for the better? I certainly hope so. Tsh, tsh, tsh. I still have the
    bleeding Jesus picture. Saw a bigger version of it in the movie 'Born in
    East L.A.' -- guess some people just have more class than others. I'm
    thinking of getting it enlarged.

    Message: 3049
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 17:15:07

            Getting what enlarged ....... ?

    Message: 3050
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: Sandy Sis sop
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 18:48:42

    It is already too big.

    Message: 3051
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:22:36

            When James was in Costa Rica (or in California getting in an
    accident) he bought me a big Jesus that blinks at me when I walk by.  I have
    it hung upside down in my computer room.  He keeps me company.  The reason
    He is upside down is because I have a heart.  After hanging right side up
    for two thousand years, I thought I'd give the old boy a change of pace.  I
    just have to remember to keep alternating his position from time to time.
    Wow, I bet those nails make his hands and feet smart.  The picture is the
    same as the one used in Born in East L.A. and it is also the same size.  I
    just wish it glowed in the dark.  Maybe the next time James has his
    'heavily insured' van stolen and leaves the country he can get me one.  The
    only hitch in the operation was the accident.  Oh well.   -Rod

    Bulletin Board command:RC58278-

    Message: 58278
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/22/89  Time: 03:56:17

    Watch it. Everybody knows that God is a guy.

    Message: 58279
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: B. Dog
    Date: 04/22/89  Time: 06:20:32

     I sometimes wonder if anybody hears things like that. Got a kick out of
    that one.

    Message: 58280
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 04/22/89  Time: 06:24:03

     The morning host had a couple of women as guests who had formed an
    organization for short people, and the conversation was just humerous enough
    to me that I called in and had a little fun with them. Said things like I
    was 5'4", and at 63, shrinking a little, and as I looked at my waistline, I
    could see some of my tall becoming wide. Things like that. It was fun. I
    find myself calling in when the issues under discussion appeal to either my
    sense of humor or community.

    Message: 58281
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/22/89  Time: 22:07:58

    Re:  "When a person dies then they either go to
    heaven, that is if they are good here on earth, or they go to LLEH if they
    were bad."

    Not according to the Bible Rod.  There is only one reason why a person goes
    to either heaven or hell, and it has nothing directly to do with being good
    or bad.

    John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
    life.
     3:17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
    that the world through him might be saved.
     3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not
    is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only
    begotten Son of God.

    Don't feel bad about it Rod.  A lot of people think they know what the Bible
    says, but never took the time to really check it out.

    Message: 58282
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/22/89  Time: 23:44:22

    That seems simple enough.  Yet, what possible interpretations of "belief"
    might there be?  What constitutes "belief," and where in the Bible is this
    explained fully?

    "Truth" seems to be a matter of perspective.

    Message: 58283
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/truth
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 02:11:25

          In reality Bob, you and I, assuming that we are intelligent, thinking
    individuals, are in fact, agnostic.  No one really knows, Bob.  Not really.
    Faith in something does not make it so.  A person could have the strongest
    belief that the world was flat or that planet earth was the center of the
    universe but it still would not make it so.  Right?  -Rod
    P.S.  I suppose there is only one way to find the truth of the matter and as
    we have learned, dead men tell no tales.

    Message: 58284
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 14:28:35

    Re:  ""Truth" seems to be a matter of perspective."

    Only to a follower of Joe Smith.  Why take that which is simple and make it
    complicated?

    Message: 58285
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Truth
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 14:37:23

    Rod, I agree with what you say in message 58283.  Almost.  It is only
    logical that if God has a will for his creation, that he would make it
    possible for his creation to know his will.  I think his provision was made
    through the Bible.  I believe it; you don't; that's our difference.  Because
    I believe it, I also believe that I know spiritual truth.  The Bible is
    "foolishness" to you.  I can understand how you think that.  I thought that
    way about the Bible for over 30 years.

    Message: 58286
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/last
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 16:29:37

            Even when I was a Christian I thought the Bible was lacking in text
    and too ambigous.  There are much better books in print that are easier to
    read, more to the point, and can teach one good moral values.
            So, are you an agnostic when it comes right down to the nitty?
                                    Rod

    Message: 58287
    Author: Veronica Mundy
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Above
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 20:48:12

    I've heard it said that there are no athiests in Hell.  I wonder
    what that means.

    ####################  Sic Transit Gloria Mundi  ####################

    Message: 58288
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Mundy/:ast
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 05:19:05

     It means that whoever you heard it from knows not whereof he or she speaks.

    Message: 58289
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Movie review
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 08:40:08

    We saw Pet Sematary last night and alas, I feel another Stephen King
    movie/taken from the a novel will bite the dust! The screen play itself (by
    King himself!) was great and pure. There was very little deviation from the
    novel and what was changed was for shortening purposes. In other words - the
    story was intact. It was the miss-casting of the leads that ruined the
    picture. They didn't have one ounce of charisma - nor did Fred Gywnn who
    played Jud Crandall. I like Gwynn, but he didn't fit htis part of the crusty
    Crandall. Even the little girl Ellie Creed was miss-cast. She actually
    looked ill! Only the little boy Gage was cast properly. For horror fans, I
    suppose it was a good movie - I don't know because I've read the book so
    much, I watched the movie with critical eyes more then with enjoyment. To
    me, the only true moment that I felt any 'fear' was at the end when Gage
    comes back. But perhaps it is a scarey movie. Of course, the highlight of it
    all was the 30 seconds King himself appeared on the screen and I got a
    glimpse of my Idol!
    My final comclusions: I think the reason that King movies are usually flops
    is not so much that they don't stick to the story line - but the horror, the
    true horror through out all of his books cannot be transfered to the screen.
    In the books, what the individuals in the stories feel and think play a
    gigantic part in true horror of which King is King! I still recommend this
    movie as entertainment, but not of the first caliber. Anyone else see this
    movie and want to comment? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58290
    Author: Greg Chambers
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 16:38:04

    So if it doesnt suprise you ...why do you seem so angry with the
    governments?
    As far as I can see, I'll always expect the politcs I've seen to
    happen in the future. Convenient lies tailored to suit someone's need
    or wants. People will not change in this respect.
    SOmeone always comes along with "I've got a better way" and end up
    doing much the same stuff if they get off the ground with support.
    Only they see their way as infallable or "better" and "I wont do what
    so-n-so does" when you elect me.
    They may not do what "so-n-so" did, but they do lie and will cheat
    and steal ...wether its time, money or materials.
    So my question I guess is why even get mad? Throw them out and you'll
    get some other clown.
    With instincts like we people have, it is impossible to have somone
    in such a seat of power that will do things strictly for others
    and not for themselves. Its never happened and never will.
    I dont expect perfection..so why should you?

    Greg.

    Message: 58291
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 17:30:13

    Re:  "There are much better books in print that are easier to
    read, more to the point, and can teach one good moral values."

    What book are you thinking of that can teach good moral values?  I would not
    dispute that such books exist, but the standard on which they are based are
    probably the standard laid down by the Bible thousands of years ago.

    Re:  "So, are you an agnostic"

    As I understand the meaning of the word, no.  I believe God exists exactly
    as stated in scripture.  (Was that a trick question?)

    Message: 58292
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Greg
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 17:34:43

    Re:  "So my question I guess is why even get mad? Throw them out and you'll
    get some other clown.
    With instincts like we people have, it is impossible to have somone
    in such a seat of power that will do things strictly for others
    and not for themselves."

    Like the old saying goes, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
    absolutely."

    Message: 58293
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/truth
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 18:22:36

    Sorry, Bob.  Whether one is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, or
    Muslim, truth is still a matter of perspective.

    Message: 58294
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: hey
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 18:26:59

    Did anybody look at the user log today?  Apollo sat vacant and alone for
    about four hours today.

    Message: 58295
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reese/58293
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 18:44:42

    Someone must teach you the difference between profundity and
    platitudinousness.

    Message: 58296
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg/58291
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 01:35:01

         I can think of many books off-hand that teach good moral values.  It
    isn't hard to find good philosophical books that are more to the point than
    the Bible.  Moral theories abound in books by Rousseau, Hobbes, Jeremy
    Bentham, David Hume, John Stuart Mill, Immanuel Kant, Ayn Rand, Jim Rachels,
    and John Locke.  If you want a more religious angle try some books
    on confucianism, taoism, or zen buddhism (I know, I should be capitalizing).
    Or, for a non-eastern view of humanity, read Paul Kurtz.

         None of the above mentioned works are based on the Bible, as you state.
    The statement that most or all moral theories are based on the Bible is just
    plain false.  Morality is an idea that can exist independently of religion
    and that is probably better off that way.  There is no room for dogmatism in
    ethics (well, perhaps in Immanuel Kant's case).  Make that *blind*
    dogmatism.  The Bible itself is not the earliest written work with a moral
    message.  The ten commandments are indirectly based on the Code of
    Hammurabi, which is Sumerian and predates it by thousands of years.

         Furthermore, the Bible has the disadvantage that its moral laws are not
    based on reason, but on the infallibility of God.  "It's true because God
    wills it, God wills it because it's true..."  Not all of the moral messages
    in the Bible are good, look at the OT.  Deuteronomy 16:7-13 (I think) tells
    the reader to kill anyone who tries to promote a god other than Jehovah.
    Isn't that nice?
         So don't give us this "Bible-as-the-source-of-morality" crap.

    Message: 58297
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Tucson BBS Scene
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 01:49:05

         The Tucson BBS scene is nowhere as big as it is here, and there aren't
    any boards as good (softwarewise and conversationwise) as Apollo, but there
    are some interesting things going on.

         For example, Sean Dippold, the sysop of Windy City, killed himself last
    week.  He was a very uptight persona on the BBS, and we aregued quite a bit.
    His big kick was arguing that "Fascism requires capitalism - by definition."
    When asked what he based his definition on, he'd respond that "I do not need
    to give a reference for something that is true by definition.  By
    definition, something that is a definition is true by definition."  Yes, we
    argued quite vehemently.  And now he's gone.  *sniff*

         Another interesting (but alive) BBS persona in Tucson is that crazy
    girl, Laura Lansberry.  Surely you all remember Laura.  She used to be on
    Apollo.  She's a transexual lesbian, an avid [knee-jerk?] atheist, and
    [pseudo-?] intellectual, all rolled in to one, big, barrel of fun-n-laughs.
    Her autobiography is available for reading on Smorgasboard (293-8555), and
    what a read it is.  It documents her intellectual and sexual growth
    from the earliest days of childhood to the present, including some wacky
    stories about games (s)he used to play in the woods with the other boys, and
    those rough-n-tumble days she spent participating in the world's oldest
    profession (and I'm not talking about farming!)
         That is not to knock Laura completely.  She's a good person and all.  I
    just find her unusual in her often-egocentric, explorative view of humanity.

         Other than that, the Tucson BBS scene is pretty dull.  Smorgasboard has
    4 lines, so there are some interesting chats and such.  And, if the
    multi-user chats get dull, there are always ways to impersonate other users.
    Just like on Apollo.  Ha ha ha.

         Oh, by the way, Jim Lippard was in a terrible skiing accident.  He was
    impaled on someone else's ski pole.  He isn't as prolific as he used to be,
    and I think now he's starting to consider seeking a religion of some sort.
    Perhaps Mormonism.

         That wacky Tucson scene.  Bye all.

    Message: 58299
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BY THE WAY
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 01:57:00

         Anyone want to buy Zak's password?  $10, or best offer.

    Message: 58300
    Author: Wrod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: an easy high
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 02:33:17

         I've got some wonderfully wicked weed, you wascal wabbit.  Doobies,
    doobies, anyone?  $10 or best offer.

                                                 Wrod

    Message: 58301
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Greg/Bob
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 06:03:32

     Gee, with all this talk about electing clowns, maybe I ought to run for
    some office. After all, I've even got the makeup and the costume! Even got a
    few tricks "up my sleeve"!

    Message: 58302
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/truth
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 06:08:50

     I have to agree that truth, from man's position, is a matter of
    perspective. God's truth, however, is absolute, and is found only in His
    Word, the Bible. Any written or spoken word that claims to be or even
    contain truth that deviates from that Word is lies, or at best, mere opinion
    and subject to debate and debunking. These include, but are not limited to,
    the teachings of Buddha, Allah, the pope, L. Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith.
    And oh yes, Charles Taze Russell too.

    Message: 58303
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: J.T./ verbosity
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 06:10:29

    Platiwhatdidyousay?
     Did you just coin a new word there?
    Congrats Mr. Webster!

    Message: 58304
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim Lippard
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 06:16:48

     If Zak's report of Jim's accident is true, I am very sorry to hear of it. I
    do not agree with a word of what Lippard has said concerning many things,
    but he is still a child of GOd, whether he accepts that fact or not, and I
    wish him a complete recovery.
     If this accident has in any way caused him to rethink his position
    concerning God and his relationship with his creator, perhaps some good can
    come out of it.
     Praying for you Jim.

    Message: 58305
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/truth
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 13:52:01

    Your message is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.  From your
    perspective, the Bible has a monopoly on truth.  Whether or not you firmly
    believe this from the very depths of your soul, it is still merely your
    perspective.

    Message: 58306
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/truth
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 13:54:27

    I am neither being trite nor profound; I merely offer my perspective that
    truth is a matter of perspective.

    Someone needs to teach you to read the categories of messages.  In this
    case, the category is "Chit Chat."

    Message: 58307
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 14:11:55

    Morality cannot be derived purely from reason without dogma.

    Message: 58308
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 19:07:29

    That's just your opinion.

    Message: 58309
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reese/58306
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 19:07:57

    That depends on your point of view.

    Message: 58310
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Woodruff
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 19:08:39

    Locke was a Christian.

    Message: 58311
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sean Dippold
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 19:09:22

    How did he kill himself?

    Message: 58312
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 19:10:18

    If God exists, why does He allow innocent people to be impaled on ski poles?

    Message: 58313
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Apollo
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 20:13:12

            Today I put a newer hard drive on Apollo, so that is why it was
    unavailable for a bit.  Sorry if you were trying to log in.

    Cliff W.

    Message: 58314
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 21:08:38

    Re:  "Whether one is a Mormon, a Jew, a Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, or
    Muslim, truth is still a matter of perspective."

    It could be that I don't understand what you are saying, but truth is truth
    no matter who or what you are.  Truth is truth and false is false and never
    the twain shall meet.

    Message: 58315
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 21:11:36

    Re:  "So don't give us this "Bible-as-the-source-of-morality" crap."

    I take it you are a nonbeliever.  What else can I say?

    Message: 58316
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 21:21:51

    Re:  "That's just your opinion."

    One could say that everything posted on this BBS is just an opinion.  But,
    it is my opinion that some opinions are right and some opinions are wrong.

    Now, go ahead and tell me why I'm wrong.

    Message: 58317
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 21:23:52

    Re:  "Jim Lippard was in a terrible skiing accident.  He was
    impaled on someone else's ski pole."

    Re:  "If God exists, why does He allow innocent people to be impaled on ski
    poles?"

    Hmmmmmmmmm.  Are you suggesting that Jim L. is "innocent"?

    Message: 58318
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Modem/Printer
    Date: 04/25/89  Time: 22:20:54

    I need some help from you expert computer types.  I need to hook up an auto
    answer modem straight to a printer, so that when the line rings the modem
    will answer the phone, print out whatever is sent down the line, and then
    hang up when the line is dropped. ok  Can anyone help me?

    Sorry about the garbage.  it must be a noisy line.

    Message: 58319
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/58314
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 00:45:36

    I like your way of answering messages.  I think I'll do the same:

    Re:  "...truth is truth no matter who or what you are.  Truth is truth and
    false is false and never the twain shall meet."

    I agree.  Certainly there is absolute truth.  There is also what you believe
    is true, there is what I think is true, what Paul Savage thinks is true,
    what Buddhist Bill thinks is true, and what every other person in the world
    thinks is true.  The point is that each one of these people have a different
    perspective on what truth really is.  You and Paul Savage both claim the
    Bible as a vehicle to truth, BUT you still both have different viewpoints as
    to what truth is.  Unless you and Paul Savage are exact clones of each other
    (and I'll hazard a guess to say you aren't), you have different perspectives
    on truth.  This is not to say that you and Paul Savage don't share some
    similar viewpoints.  Obviously, you do.  However, any place where you and
    Paul differ shows that you both have different perspectives on "truth."

    Message: 58320
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/perspective
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 06:06:43

    Wrong again Todd. Perspective is really an opinion, formed by education,
    environment and other influences. Truth is proven fact, supported by
    evidence, either historical, experiential or otherwise. By all tests, and by
    historical and experiential evidence, the Bible is truth. It's statements
    can be proven archeologically, historically and by othe means. The
    principles it sets forth are absolute, and will function dependably every
    time they are properly applied to a given situation. THese are not
    opinions. These are facts. Because these are facts, the Bible is then truth
    in it's purest form, since it requires no man's opinion, nor does it depend
    on man's concepts or interpretations.
     Take the best example I can think of at the moment as a Bible principle,
    that of sowing and reaping. The Bible states, without equivocation, that
    whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap. This is an absolute, and,
    whether you choose to believe it or not, it works every time it is applied,
    consciously or uncconsciously. If you sow apple seeds, you will never get
    oranges. If you sow hate and discontent, you will be repaid in kind. The
    same with love. Whatever you put out, you will eventually get back. As the
    world would say, whatever goes around, comes around. Same principle. WOrks
    every time. God thought of it first, since He is the one who set it in
    motion. Ergo, the Bible is truth. Pure truth. Unadulterated, and
    unadulterable truth.

    Message: 58321
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Innocence
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 06:10:38

     THe category should be question, not answer. The point is, who said
    Lippard was innocent? He has spent a good part of his life ridiculing God
    and the things of God. Just maybe the impaling was the only way that God
    could force him to lay there and listen for long enough to comprehend His
    (God's) love. Maybe?

    Message: 58322
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/#58314
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 06:48:15

    Lets put the definition of truth another way ---- John Doe is a Christian
    and believes the Bible is the truth! -- Abduhla Saheeb is a Muslim and
    believes the Koran is the truth! Questions: --
    (1) Is John right and Abduhla wrong?
    (2) Is Abduhla right and John wrong?
    (3) Are they both wrong?
    (4) Are they both right?
    I think the truth is --- they are both right! Truth, not beauty is in the
    eye of the beholder! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58323
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on Jim L.
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 06:54:40

    I can't believe that a grown man such as yourself would even imply that God
    may have had a hand in Jim's accident! 'GOD'S LOVE'????? That's love? That's
    sick!!! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58324
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/#58316
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 06:56:11

    You are not wrong. That is what YOU think is 'truth'! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58325
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Repulsive article
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 07:05:05

    There was an 'opinion article' in the paper today re: gun control. Here is
    some of it and I think he stated it well. The reporter is Walter Williams.
    (Not related to Rod - he's black!) ------
    "The propaganda employed by the gun-control lobby is slick. It calls for
    responsible things like longer waiting periods for background checks and for
    the outlawing of automatic weapons. They didn't publically demand arms
    confiscations; they know they'd encounter too much resistance. Their agenda
    calls for disarming us a little bit at a time. This, you'll recall, is how
    many of our freedoms have been taken. Our job is not to let the camel get
    even his nose in the tent! My attitude about gun laws is the following: I
    will feel better explaining to a judge why I have an illegal weapon than I'd
    feel in a casket!"
    I think this was very well put! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58326
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: S.747
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 14:26:34

      I called Dennis DeConcini's office and told them that I thought his new
    gun control bill was a terrible idea. I asked them if they were getting much
    response on it and they said "nothing unusual." If Arizonans sit by and
    expect someone else to fight this thing it will pass and then there will be
    a law hanging over our heads which could send practically anyone who owns a
    semi-automatic firearm to jail. The forms that this law requires have not
    been in use for anything but dealer transactions for the last twenty years.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 58327
    Author: $ Clint Phillips
    Category: News Today
    Subject: FIRE ARMS
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 15:39:14

    WELL SAID ANN,I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!

    Message: 58328
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 16:20:10

    Well, I'd rather spend eternity in the Lake of Fire than be impaled on a ski
    pole.

    Message: 58329
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Walter Williams
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 16:20:29

    His column is distributed by Heritage Features Syndicate.

    Message: 58330
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg/58316
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 16:21:16

    Well, that all depends.

    Message: 58331
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reese/58319
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 16:21:39

    I disagree.

    Message: 58332
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Most important thing
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 16:22:07

    Knowing world is flat most important thing on earth.

    Message: 58333
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sowing and Reaping
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 17:45:51

    Hey man, like the Hippies, they just loved and loved. What they got back was
    HATRED from the Christians in this nation. Don't give me this crap about
    Absolute Truth, man.

    Message: 58334
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ann/Walter Williams
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 18:04:26

    How do you know he isn't related to Rod?  I would bet that he IS related to
    Rod.  Rod has children spread over the 50 states.

    Message: 58335
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: News Today
    Subject: 1911-1989
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 18:15:23

            I assume you all have heard that Lucy has died.  An all time great
    lady for sure.

    Sniff (tm)  Cliff

    Message: 58336
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 19:34:53

    Hey man, we're all related.

    Message: 58337
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 19:35:27

    Lucy didn't die, she merely shed her gross flesh, but the atoms still exist,
    they're just changing, that's all.  Nothing ever dies.

    Message: 58338
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley/WalterW.
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 20:26:36

      If you had ever read anything he had written you would know that he isn't
    related to Rod.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 58339
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Greg
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:30:04

            There is far too much governing in government.  You made a good
    point when you said that people who run on the honesty ticket usually end up
    falling into the same trap as the one they replaced.  Oh well.  Sorry if you
    read anger into my message.  It's not as bad as all that.  We are just
    evolving up the ladder.  It may all work out someday.   -Rod

    Message: 58340
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/Agnostic
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:33:41

            No, I didn't give you a trick question.  You say that you believe
    God exists exactly as stated in scripture.  Well that's fine, Bob, but if
    you have no solid proof then I'm afraid that in reality you are agnostic.
    Look it up in the dictionary.  You most probably have faith that what you
    believe is real but that doesn't cut it.  Proof is necessary for one to be
    what they say, without proof you really do not know.
            Does God or Jesus talk to you?
                                    Rod

    Message: 58341
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/morals
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:35:46

            As far as other books that are more coherent that teach morals
    without the prejudice and bigotry that religionists fall into goes, check
    out HULK Comics.                        Rod

    Message: 58342
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/Paul
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:37:37

            Paul is an agnostic.  Fact is, so are you, Todd.

    Message: 58343
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/58319
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:42:53

    Darn good message.  Now that was the truth and well spoken at that.  Either
    Paul or Bob does not have the truth.  Since they disagree on certain bibical
    issues (as well as James, the Christian, White) then one or even both of them
    do not have the truth.
            Will the real agnostic please stand up.  All others sit down.  -Rod

    Message: 58344
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Walter Williams
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:45:19

            Ann, just because someone is black does not mean that they are not
    related to me.  I am related to every atom in the entire universe.  I am
    related to all future atoms that will be born into existence.  I am even
    related to Paul Savage.

    Message: 58345
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beauregard Arf! Arf!
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:48:39

            I loved your message, #58333 (by the way 333 is the number of the
    anti-Bob that is predicted in The Book of Bob).  Now that is TRUTH.  Well
    spoken.                 -Rod

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 294
    Author: $ Bob Dobbs
    Category: Rod's thoughts
    Subject: deity
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 17:33:44

    Dear Rod;

            I am not a deity, and God is far more powerful than I.  I would like
    to be flying around the cosmos as you put it, but God told me I have to do
    this 'EARTH' trip over again till I get it right.   It is his way of telling
    me that EARTH is the HELL we all fear.
            I am going to lead a straight life from now on, so after my next
    earthly death, I will go on to better places.
            I thought I would stop by and warn you of the dangerous path you
    are taking.   Tell me Rod, do you wish to do this earthly trip again?  If
    not, seek the way of the Lord, as he speaks the gospel.

    Bob Dobbs

    Message: 295
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: "Bob" Dobb$
    Date: 04/23/89  Time: 19:16:49

    ... sounds like an imposter to me. Everybody knows that "Bob" is hiding out
    in an old factory which he broke into with stolen locksmithing equipment.

    Message: 296
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/Bob Dobbs
    Date: 04/24/89  Time: 08:54:07

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Love it! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 297
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dobbs
    Date: 04/26/89  Time: 22:53:35

            Earth is only hell because of prejudiced people.