### Apollo BBS Archive - September 15, 1989

    Message: 61030
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 00:38:12

            If God thinked like Rod, we would be in bad trouble...

    Thank God this ain't so!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61031
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod on drugs
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 00:57:39

            I have not been drunk in years....  When is the last time you took
    drugs?  Or better yet, when is the last time you sold illegal drugs (poison)
    and added to the problems of the world.  Talk about Caitalist PIG, off the
    misery of other people no less.
                    Hypercrit!

            As far as I know, a brandy now and than is perfectly legal.  But if
    it were to be made illegal, I could give it up in a second!  And let me
    correct you on a small fact...  cigarettes have killed more people than
    brandy or booze in general.  Neither one taken to excess is any good for
    your health.

    P.S.  Unlike you, I do not need a drink or a smoke as a CRUTCH!  The only
    thing I get high on...is LIFE and my love for Sandy!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    P.S.S.  Rod, you had better screw your head on straight, and have a rational
    talk with God before it is too late.   We on Apollo care for you, but we
    can't make you see the light... let lose of your hate and anger, it's all in
    your mind.

    Message: 61032
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 02:30:03

    If they made all guns illegal tomorrow, could you also give it up in a
    second?

    Everyone has something that they believe is morally right or wrong. You
    think that Rod is wrong and you are right.  There's nothing wrong with that,
    but you have to understand that Rod feels the opposite.

    You obviously don't agree with much of what Rod says, but I do think he has
    the right to express them.  Everybody keeps accusing everyone else of hate
    and anger.  I think if Rod and Cliff just kiss (french?) they would be able
    to debate each other more calmly.  I know that Rod would enjoy it.

    I think Sandy might be jealous.

    Message: 61033
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's kids
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 03:08:54

    Rod undoubtedly has the nicest bunch of kids I've ever met. I'd be happy to
    have them as my own.

    Kids shouldn't be made to be overly polite -- they have plenty of time to
    become adults who are afraid to speak their minds. Anyway, if Rod's kids
    kicked you or whatever, you probably deserved it.

    Message: 61034
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Slick-50
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 03:13:01

    You're right, Dabney, all test results are phony. As a matter of fact, I
    just drank some Drano as an act of defiance. The label says to call a doctor
    if ingested, but I know it's just because they get kickbacks from the
    hospitals.

    Message: 61035
    Author: John Hoag
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick/Slick-50
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 03:23:17

    I didn't say all test results are phony.  I merely pointed out that
    manufacturer sponsored tests are suspect, and that, if Slick-50 were the
    miracle product its makers touted it as, it would be embraced by the car
    manufacturing/repair/maintenence/consumer advocacy community, which it has
    not.

    You may be on to something, however, with regard to the Drano.  Did you know
    that floride causes cavities?  Ask Rod Williams: his sister's uncle's
    step-daughter, or something, was once a dental hygenist, and can verify
    this.

    Message: 61036
    Author: John Hoag
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ford
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 03:29:57

    Oh, of course, that WAS my assertion.  Ford was responsible for J.F.K.'s
    death, the cold war, the rise of Nazi Germany, paisley ties, and some bad
    pasta I had last week.

    Message: 61037
    Author: John Hoag
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Frontal Lobotomies
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 04:09:44

    From "The Browser's Book Of Beginnings, by Charles Panati:

    The origins of modern psychosurgery can be traced to a research report
    delivered by two neurologists at a London conference in 1935.  Drs. C.
    Jacobsen and J. Fulton reported on an experiment in which they rendered a
    violent chimpanzee docile by surgical removal of the frontal lobes of the
    cerebral hemispheres.  A Portuguese neurologist, Antonio Egas Moniz, rose
    after the talk and asked: "If frontal lobe removal prevents the development
    of experimental neuroses in animals and eliminates frustrated behavior, why
    would it not be feasible to relieve anxiety states in man by surgical
    means?"  Within a year, Moniz and a surgeon, Almeida Lima, had performed
    several such operations.  Hearing of their success, two American doctors,
    Walter Freeman and James Watts, adopted the proceedure in the late 1940's.
    A surgical instrument called a "precision leucotome," a blunt knife, was
    inserted into small holes made in the temples at the side of the skull.  The
    blade was then swept up and down to cut the nerve fibers that run between
    the frontal lobes and the limbic system, or emotional center of the brain.
    Violent patients were calmed, but usually at the cost of chunks of memory
    and gross alterations in their personalities, so much that they became
    "different people."

    (CONT.)

    Message: 61038
    Author: John Hoag
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: frontal lobotomies 2
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 04:20:30

    The dapper, charismatic Freeman, in his eagerness to bring the relief of
    lobotomy to the largest number of sufferers from mental anguish, introduced
    this "blind" surgical proceedure to the United States in an even simpler
    form.  The patient was merely stunned by an electric shock to the head, and
    a sharp metal icepick was hammered up through the thin bone directly above
    the eye, then swept from side to side to cut through the frontal lobes.  The
    main complaint Freeman heard was that patients got black eyes.  Freeman was
    something of a showman, touring the country, performing operations in front
    of lecture halls of students and on close-circuit television, often without
    sterile precautions.  Each side of the brain could be "done in a couple of
    minutes," he boasted, and "an enterprising neurologist [could] lobotomise
    ten to fifteen patients a morning."  One day in 1951, in Spencer, West
    Virginia, he operated on twenty-five women in a single workday.  Though
    Freeman's critics deplored the lobotomised patient's dullness -- "It does
    disturb me to see the number of zombies these operations turn out," wrote
    one fellow physician -- Freeman himself argued that "lobotomised patients
    make good American citizens . . . the operation has potential for
    controlling society's misfits -- schizophrenics, homosexuals, radicals..."
    By the mid-1950s more than 19,000 Americans alone, including prisoners and
    children, had been lobotomised.  Finally, a storm of protests in the latter
    part of the decade virtually halted Freeman's proceedure.

    Message: 61039
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: the test lab
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 04:26:12

    The tests were conducted by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation,
    no doubt a corrupt government organization.

    Message: 61040
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 06:38:55

     Wifey is doing fine, and I expect to be bringing her home this morning. She
    will be off work and in need of a lot of TLC for the next 6 weeks or so, but
    at least the house won't be so darn empty.
     We are selling the house because the two of us don't really need 1500
    square feet, and this place still has a few too many memories, at least for
    my kids. We hope to be going into a secure mobile home park, where we can
    put the key in the door sometime in May and come back in Sept. or Oct. when
    the temperature gets reasonable again. I've had abouut enough of Arizona
    summers.
     As to the city council, where personal ambition and greed for self
    aggrandizing monuments seem to have taken control of good sense and fiscal
    responsibility, about all we can do is vote them ALL out, but what do we
    have for alternatives? Kruglick it the only real opposition to Goddard, and
    he's a recycled Mechamite. Johnson has no opposition at all! (He's the one
    who expressed the opinion, when I shoved a petition under his nose and asked
    him to sign it, that such a perfectly legal action was anarchy.) Maybe we
    ought to wait for one of their "back room" meetings, where all the real
    decisions seem to be made, and then burn the back room down.
     Anyway, we will soon get a chance to express ourselves at the voting booth
    again. 200 - YES! 106 - hell NO! Downtown stadium! Double hell NO!! Double
    the mayors' and councils' salaries? Guess!

    Message: 61041
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod/#61015
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:13:59

    You made some good points in that post! I always wondered how Satan had so
    much power and God seems to not have any. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61042
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff on sweet and .
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:33:09

    That list is some of my 20% sweet! But most that you mentioned are material
    things. I was talking mainly about the afflictions that hit us all ---
    --- dying and death. (Usually not very pleasant. I only know a hand full of
    people that just dropped over dead at an old age - no suffering!)
    Illnesses that can worry you because they can cause the above. You can cut
    your finger and die from it even in this day and age.
    You get old and infirm no matter how well you took care of yourself over
    your lifetime. The old Ticker starts to play out - you are constantly short
    of breath and are confined to a chair.
    There's Alzimer's desease and senility that can and will rob you of even
    thinking when that may be all that you have left.
    Theres - toothaches, gas pains, depression, constipation, bad backs, sinus
    problems, allergies, Glycoma (sp?), losing your hair, bunions, halitosis,
    etc. - the so called little affictions. There's the big league stuff like
    living an intire life time with someone you love and they die on you,
    leaving you alone and miserable. We all lose our parents - some will lose
    their children. There's old age in general - you lose the elasticity of you
    skin and it becomes wrinkled and dry. You become forgetfull and cranky.
    According to society, you become un-useful and are put out to pasture. All
    you end up with is your material things but they might not help if you end
    up in a nursing home, sitting in your own pee! This is what I mean - the
    bitter list is longer if added up. I'd reather have more sweet and not have
    to learn so much appreciation for it. Just my opinion. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61043
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/#61023
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:34:52

    Bull!

    Message: 61044
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's kids
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 07:48:03

    I also liked them very much and none bit me. Ha. I liked everything about
    Rod's house and hope to go back one of these days. It is comfortable and I
    felt right at home. His kids are cute and bright and I chatted with many of
    them and they talked like adults. I thought Jasmine as attractive and
    interesting. I like all kids unless they are brats - I saw none there nor at
    Cliff's house. I do admit to knowing Travis and Tyler more because they have
    been here a lot. They beat the heck out of my spoiled grandkids. It will be
    nice to watch them grow up into handsome men.
    Cliff: I will have to say, my grandkids were bought up in a Christian home
    and went to a Christian school until the eighth grade and it didn't help
    them much - ALL got completely away from it when they got old enough to
    choose. A parent can only just do so much. It's up to the kid at some time
    in life. Who knows? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 61045
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: 2 days...
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 11:05:46

            Rod, I was wrong on that.. It seemed like two days but it was just
    over 29 and 1/2 hours.  I should have said two logins, and NOT two days.

            To answer James Hawley... of course Rod can post his thoughts
    here...  But can't I do the same?  I have not kicked him off and when I have
    a minor problem with his wording...I ask HIM (Rod) to fix it, so it stayes
    in his own words.  It just gets kinda hard to sit here and get bashed by Rod
    all the time calling Christians "Un-Thinkers"...  "Stupid" and so on.  I do
    not think Rod is an Un-thinker, I just think he is confused and his whole
    argument is wraped around a false notion.

            Nick... Just maybe I deserved to be BIT and kicked now and then.
    But I still think Children should be taught manners and to respect the
    adults around them.  This is just my thoughts on this and I do not force
    this idea on anyone else...  Adults should also respect childern in return
    if the child earns it.  Children are our future....  Note that I don't call
    them 'Kids' (as in goats), though some of them act like it.
            If people RESPECTED other people, we would have a better world.
    Is there a better place to teach respect then at the home?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61046
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Rod on DRUGS..?
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 11:22:54

            Rod..  I don't want to attack you on drugs..  but you seem insistant
    that you are going to attack me on drinking, even though I do NOT drink but
    a very few drinks over a very wide span of time.   I hate beer....  I do not
    go to bars but I do like a little (very little) brandy now and then.  Not
    even enough to get a buzz.  If I were to get a Buzz (and I do now and then)
    I don't like to go out driving around.  I get more of a buzz from allergy
    medicine (that I hate by the way) then I do from a drink.

            There are a few other drinks that I ENJOY for the flavor and not to
    just get 'smashed'.  Drug users on the other hand, are just out for the
    'HIGH' and not the flavor.  They NEED that FIX or they can't cope!

            If they outlawed booze... I would have no problem with that. I would
    comply, however it is legal and I do not abuse it.  The drugs you talk about
    are not legal... BIG differance there buddy, even if it ain't always right.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*   (and sober)

    Message: 61047
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Zsa Zsa
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 13:36:34

    How many people here think she'll get the chair?

    Message: 61048
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 17:14:01

    Frank Lopinto's kids are much better than Rod's kids.

    Message: 61049
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last....
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 18:04:00

            Grrrrrrr, So what does that prove?   Frank Lopinto is not here to
    debate how he raises and what values he teaches his children.

            I have seen some children in Christian schools that are there just
    because mom & pop put them there.  They do not really care to understand the
    teachings of the Bible and they show it on the playground.  They are rude,
    bullies or what ever they wish to be.  The children who do believe and learn
    from the Bible, (because they want to believe) are much nicer to everyone.
    They practice what they absorb, and make fun playmates.

            As I said before, our boys Tyler and Travis want to learn, they go
    to church completely on their own. They practice the love they learn from
    the Bible. They are good boys Rod...  Eat your heart out!

    P.S.  We have not had to pick them up at a police station yet... ha ha ha ha

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 61050
    Author: Thomas Foolery
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Constipation
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 18:34:05

    I would like to second Ann Oudin's complaint about bunions, constipation,
    bad backs, hair loss, and gas pains.  Also, impotence, bee stings, AIDS,
    paper cuts, hangovers, prostate cancer, nosebleeds, severed limbs, razor
    burns, warts, Leigionnaires' disease, triskadecaphobia, bronchitis, pimples,
    consumption, mosquito bites, insomnia, leprosy, schizophrenia, whiplash,
    syphilis, premenstrual syndrome, manic-depressive psychosis, and impacted
    wisdom teeth.  In short, life sucks.

    Message: 61051
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: hello
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 19:52:34

    Hello, everybody.  Just passing through.  I can be found in Tucson on the
    Smorgasboard (5-line BBS) at 293-8555 or the Wall at 544-0008, for any of
    you with the desire to call Tucson BBSes.

    Message: 61052
    Author: Avram Davidson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thomas Foolery
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 22:50:31

    What about pustulent boils, toe-jam, belly-button lint, phallic discharge,
    yeast infections, gangrene, and mucus?

    Message: 61053
    Author: Avram Davidson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's kids
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 22:52:38

    Well, none of them actually bit me, but a couple of them worried my pants
    cuffs.

    Message: 61054
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/15/89  Time: 22:59:06

    Re:  "Suffering builds character."

    Romans 5:3  Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we
    know that suffering produces perseverance;
    5:4  perseverance, character; and character, hope.
    5:5  And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love
    into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

    *=* SYSTEM INFO *=*

    This system operates 24 hours a day and has been in operation since
    July 31, 1982. It operates on a Sanyo MBC-885 with 768K of memory, one
    Teac 5 1/4" 360K & one Teac 3 1/2" 720K drive, Prometheus ProModem 2400,
    Echo PC2 Voice Synthesizer, 2065 Multifunction Card featuring clock, serial
    port and 512K of RAM, Seagate 225 22 Megabyte Hard Drive, Network filtered
    power source, surge & modem protector, and a SAFE 250 watt backup power
    system.

    The software was designed by SysOp Cliff and Chris Zagar  The recommended
    terminal settings are eight data bits, one stop bit, no parity.  Apollo 8.0
    is written in TURBO PASCAL Version 5.0.

    *=* HISTORY BRIEF *=*

    The Apollo BBS began it's life July 31st 1982 being run on a TRS-80 Mod I
    till March 17th 1985 where the job was transferred over to a Sanyo 555-2.
    On July 31st 1986, the job was transferred to a Sanyo 885.

    *=* DISCLAIMER *=*

    The SYSOP (SYStem OPerator) maintains the right to delete any message felt
    not to be in good taste and is not responsible for the message content.
    For more information you may leave mail to Sandy SysOp in the [P]ost office
    on this system.

    1.  The entire system is written entirely in Turbo Pascal V5.0.

    2.  The [P] key for [P]ause can be used in most any place on this system.

    3.  CTRL/T may be used at ANY prompt to find out how much time remains before
        automatic logout.

    4.  Five minutes before timeout, the system will begin to warn the user of the
        remaining time.  While in the editor, a ten minute extension is in effect.

    5.  Downloading is limited to $tatus users only.

    6.  The [S]can [D]efinition command was combined with the [D]isplay scan
        settings command. This lets you lock out unwanted categories during
        a [S]can or any of the scan related CMDs such as [SP] and [$] CMDs.

    7.  The editor allows lines to be up to 76 columns in width and messages
        may contain up to 24 lines each.  The editor includes two special
        commands for formatting text: [B]reak text and [F]ill text.  [B]reak
        text is used to break one line into two lines at a specified string.
        [F]ill text will take a range of lines and fill them out into 76
        column lines.

    8.  After you read a mail message in the [P]ost office, you can just hit
        [I]nsty-reply to respond to the message.

    9.  The [P]ost Office and [V]ote feature use GREEKING.  This means the
        SYSOP can not see what you are sending but instead only sees Xxxxxx
        when you enter text.  This assures your privacy.

    10. Auto Key (Macro) can be set up in your $tatus Profile. Use the [C]
        CMD in the [M]ain menu. ($tatus users only)

    11. The [W]hite pages includes the [C]omputer type entry and [S]earch by
        computer type commands. ($tatus users only)

    12. The ((SHIELD)) level only affects NON-$tatus users as to how many
        messages they may enter at a given time.
        10% = 2 posts in [PUB] board and 2 in the [P]ost office.
        20% = 1 and 1
        40% = No posts on [PUB] board, and 1 in the [P]ost office.
        50% is read only
        100% closes system to all but $tatus (password) users.

    13. Other CTRL codes supported on this system are as follows:
              CTRL-I for TAB
              CTRL-H to back space one character
              CTRL-J to back space one word
              CTRL-X to back space current line
              CTRL-U to cancel line
              CTRL-R or CTRL-E to reprint line
              CTRL-M is a [CR] Key
              CTRL-A sends your selected AUTO (MACRO) key ($tatus users only)
              CTRL-T time left on SYSTEM

    14. Current SysOp (System Operator) of Apollo is 'SANDY SYSOP'.

    *=* Apollo's 10 Commandments *=*

    [1] Thou shalt not crash SYSTEMs
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    [3] Thou shalt not falsify thy name
    [4] Thou shalt not demean other users
    [5] Thou shalt not pirate software
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    [7] Thou shalt not post codes & passwords
    [8] Thou shalt use [P]ost office for private mail
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