### Apollo BBS Archive - March 18, 1989

    Mail from Sandy SYSOP
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 17:43:48

            No addresses handy at the moment. Calling would be faster and time
    just might be of the essence. I will get the addresses for you though.
            It truely is scarey, Rod. I hope all these fence sitters in our
    country have hopped off and voicing their opinion.
            I will say HI! to Cliff. He seems to be enjoying his vacation from
    the system. He still is curious about the posts, a good sign.

                            Sandy
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:        I will find the address....in fact I have, on file, Jon Kyl's
     2:Washington address.  I have communicated with him before about issues.
     3:
     4:        As far as Cliff's vacation goes, well he lasted a long time and it
     5:is good that he has someone to help him.
     6:
     7:        I will get a letter off pronto.  Dean Hathaway has a good idea.  He
     8:wants to phone the different representatives and lead them to believe he is
     9:anti-gun in order to check out their true feelings.  Interesting idea.
    10:                                Rod
    11:P.S.  Take care.

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 112
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Light
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 18:08:41

            Maybe there was a cave in in this Underground Sig and everyone got
    buried and died.........

    Message: 113
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 20:02:50

            And maybe we don't believe in free speech any longer and are
    avoiding the COS SIG.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 5316
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Apollo
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 13:10:11

    You mean to tell me that a WOMAN is running this BBS?  Another fatal blow
    driven home on the dwindling male dominated society of computers.

    Message: 5317
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last/woman
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 14:18:24

            She is not an ordinary female.  She is armed and dangerous.

    Message: 5318
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Debate / dispute
    Subject: Toady
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 18:01:28

            Yes, women are finally being allowed to clean up the messes you men
    have made these past few centuries.
            You have any complaints?
                                    (Sinister snicker)

    Message: 5319
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last/messes
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 20:01:48

    Hey, I'd like to see a woman as president.  Couldn't be any worse than a man
    and things are so screwed up right now.  Would you run on the Libertarian
    ticket?

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 57675
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/guns
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 11:29:18

            Your welcome to the phone numbers. I put them out there for all to
    use. The gun bills will indeed touch on the hunting and target guns and they
    will affect the honest citizen's right to keep and bear arms.
            Have you ever thought what these proliferous drug dealer gangs will
    use IF all these 'guns' they tote around were BANNED for all to use and IF
    they were nice enough not to use these 'guns'? Hmmmmmm........
            I suppose if I were a drug dealer making buches of money selling
    illegal drugs and needed to protect my investment and I was a citizen enough
    to obey the laws of man (I mean america), I would go about buying whatever
    legal weapons there were out there to protect my investment. So, now, I will
    buy Revolvers and when they are banned (the american people will understand)
    I will buy single shot 22's and when they are banned (the american people
    will still understand) I will buy bow and arrows and maybe a knife for close
    protection and when they are banned (the american have no choice but
    understand now, they have nothing left to make sure the government doesn't
    pass repressive laws). Oh, well ...... all is fair in Love and War. Sorry
    about the loss of your freedoms my fellow americans, you do understand my
    need to protect my investment. Illegal drugs do need this type of
    protection. But, do not worry, when my choice of weapons to protect my
    investment become too primitive, I will fudge some and buy whatever it takes
    from the black market.

    Message: 57676
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/guns
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 11:56:11

            I agree with your post. Not only will america have to deal with
    illegal drugs it will have to deal with illegal weapons. There will be a run
    for controll in organized crime for the illegal weapons. Stronger and maybe
    even more 'gangs' (used for the sake of Paul, a word he seems to
    understand) will arise. The consequences of two illegal commodities of such
    demand at one time could be devastating and historians will call the booze
    prohibition a premier to Sesame Street.
            With what has been happening of late in our government and the
    strong need for our government to use 'drug gangs' (Paul's favorite two
    words) as the excuse to do something it has wanted to do for a long time,
    that is to unarm america, ......... I am in favor of legalizing drugs. With
    drugs legalized the strength and numbers of 'drug gangs' will deminish;
    competition will be no more. There will be no  need to gun down little 'ol
    ladies going to the grocery store and I can have my guns back ---- and shoot
    them with the government's blessing.

    Message: 57677
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Dean H.
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 11:59:58

            I guess you are right, I should post Udall's number.
    He is so anti-gun I did not think it would be worth the time ......

    Rep. Mo Udall       261-3018

    Message: 57678
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Daryl
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 14:21:07

          It appears that Misters Westfall and Savage, both of the
    Christian persuasion, are taking like views of the current drug and
    gun debate.  They are going against James Taranto, Dean Hathaway, Ann
    Oudin, Alan Hamilton and myself.  If only they had the capacity to
    think for themselves instead of listening to the little fairies inside
    their heads.  Or if they rid themselves of the mishmash they read in
    their religion book, they may even become contributing members of this
    society instead of helping it remain in the dark ages.
          If only they understood that this nation is predominately of the
    Christian faith and saw the wholesale corruption they may realize that
    their system of beliefs not only do not work but has a retrograde
    effect.  It seems logical to me that a Christian would think that
    since the majority are of that faith our nation would be smooth
    running.
          But in fact just the opposite is true.  And with the closed
    minds that these two typical Christians display it appears that our
    nation will continue to be screwed up for some time to come.
          It is good that people are recycled because if that were not so
    there would still be wholesale murder of those who had the nerve to
    say that Planet Earth was not the center of the Universe.  And I could
    easily envision Paul and Daryl setting laws from their bigoted
    beliefs, causing pain and injury at their discretion.
    next

    Message: 57679
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 14:21:56

          Daryl stated that he tried pot once and it gave him a headache.
    Because it apparently disagreed with him, it is his thinking that it
    should be illegal for everyone.  His logic is if it wasn't good for
    Daryl then no one should have it.  Way to go Daryl.
          And because Paul is not a gun collector or fancier then guns
    should be limited.  He is not broad enough to see the dangers that lie
    in only the government having weapons.  If we could convince him there
    is a real plot, by several countries south of the border, to overthrow
    this nation then perhaps he would fight for our rights instead of
    allowing them to be taken away, a step at a time. (So the lax among us
    may not notice and one day wake up to find that our slingshots are
    being taken away.)
          I don't know if such a plot exists but judging from history I
    would say that it is a real possibility.  But this isn't the only
    reason for bearing arms.  It has been said many times that a nation of
    people without effective arms is at the total mercy of their
    politicians and believe me, there isn't a politician I know of that I
    would trust. - Rod

    Message: 57680
    Author: Daryl Westfalll
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Brevity 1
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 17:03:04

    Some people on this system are TOO NMAD LONG-WINDED.  Rather than make their
    point in a CONCISE manner, they RANT and RAVE, ON AND ON AND ON.  They think
    they're CLEVER, but they're not, so NYAH, NYAH, NYAH NYAH NYAH.  I cannot
    stress ENOUGH the importance of stating one's opinion CLEARLY, CONCISELY,
    and RATIONALLY.  Those who don't are simply marble-heads.  Look at it this
    way.  Some most profound things you can say are simple, three-word sayings.
    "Jesus loves you."  "Praise the Lord."  "Go to lleh."  "Daryl Westfall is
    great."  Some of you dunderheads will no doubt jump all over me because the
    last one is more than three words.  Four, to be exact.  Well, EXCUSE ME!
    You are just attacking my character.  ISN'T THAT ORIGINAL?  Boy, I am just
    SO IMPRESSED that you can INSULT me.  I don't think I want to continue this
    discussion, since all you are going to do is INSULT and ATTACK me.  Next
    thing I know, I'll be called a GEEK again by that crypto-fascist JT, or that
    ZOMBIE Roddy will be calling to legalize EVERYTHING, including drugs,
    speeding, child pornography, and even MURDER.  After all, either everything
    is legal or everything is illegal.  Where do you get off saying ONE thing
    should be legal while ANOTHER should be illegal?  That's DISCRIMINATION!!!
    And discrimination is ILLEGAL!  This message is directed at no one in
    particular.  ANOTHER complaint.  Some people on this system are TOO GNAD
    SHRILL and SELF-RIGHTEOUS.  They think they know EVERYTHING.  Well let me
    tell YOU something, buddy boy.  Only GOD knows everything.  To suggest
    otherwise is BLASPHEMY.  All you SELF-RIGHTEOUS types will BURN in LLEH for
    ETERNITY come JUDGMENT DAY.  Mark my WORDS!  That's why you guys have to
    MELLOW OUT.  I mean, after all, we're only HUMAN, and we have to be able to

    Message: 57681
    Author: Daryl Westfalll
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Brevity II
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 17:12:34

    ADMIT that we are SINNERS who make MISTAKES.  So stop being so
    SELF-RIGHTEOUS because self-righteousness is EVIL.  You know, I had vowed
    not to continue ARGUING with you, but I cannot resist the TEMPTATION any
    longer.  Therefore I will CONTINUE and will just have to SUFFER through your
    SLANDEROUS PERSONAL ATTACKS directed against POOR LITTLE ME.  I will just
    have to CONSOLE myself with the knowledge that I am going to HEAVEN and you
    are going to LLEH to BURN for ALL ETERNITY because YOU'RE self-righteous and
    I'M NOT.  I cannot stress ENOUGH the importance of BREVITY and CLARITY in
    writing messages on this system.  Rather than DRONING ON and ON about
    NOTHING, you should simply GET TO THE POINT.  I can't afford to WASTE MY
    TIME reading a lot of NONSENSE posted by BANANA-BRAINS who can't ORGANIZE
    their THOUGHTS effectively.  REDUNDANCY is another problem.  YES, REDUNDANCY
    IS ANOTHER PROBLEM.  How many TIMES do I have to TELL you not to REPEAT
    yoruself?  Be concise, rather than RANTING and RAMBLING.  Be COHERENT and
    avoid REDUNDANCY.  And don't just COPY my messages.  That's NOT very
    ORIGINAL.  I look FORWARD to hearing some REASONABLE responses from
    INTELLIGENT people who have ORIGINAL thoughts that they can EXPRESS CLEARLY.
    STOP with the SELF-RIGHTEOUS personal ATTACKS.  Just LEAVE ME ALONE and quit
    hassling POOR LITTLE ME.  State your points CLEARLY, and don't LEGALIZE
    EVERYTHING.

    Message: 57682
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 17:52:56

            Your post trying to shoot down Daryl and Paul can not hold much
    water ........ heheheheheheheh.......
            May I remind you that I have not taken up their side of the gun and
    drug argument and may I also remind you that I am of the Christian
    pursuation. What do you think about that? Na, na, na, na ..........
            You blew two posts there, Rod. Admit it, now ........
            YOU BLEW IT!

            May the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you,
            and the legal drugs and guns of all pursuations.

                            Sandy the Saint SySop

    Message: 57683
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 20:07:16

            I thought about including you in those names but I didn't know where
    you stood on the drug issue.  Yes, I know that you have fallen for the
    Christian religion, hook, line and sinker.  So sorry.
                                    Rod
    e

    Message: 57684
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl Love
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 20:07:56

            Thanks for being brief.

    Message: 57685
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 03/18/89  Time: 20:18:58

            As far as a way to distribute drugs once they become legal I would
    suggest a hard look as Amsterdam.  There you can go into a tobacco shop that
    displays the marihuana leaf logo, and purchase what you need.  You cannot
    smoke, roll or even display drugs on the street but there are many bars that
    you can go into and do your thing.  Kids cannot purchase drugs there.
    Holland has a great economy and strong social services.
            As for prostitutes there is a section in the city that one can visit
    and choose.  Child molestation is practically non-existent except for a few
    visiting Americans each year.  And the incidence of rape in that place is
    practically nil.
            Drugs have been legal there for longer than ten years and thus far
    nothing bad to show for it.  People there do not bugularize houses or mug
    people for drug money.
            As (redundant) I've stated before I honestly believe there are a lot
    of BIG people involved in making drug profits and therefore keep them
    illegal.  When you talk about billions of bucks each year profit you ain't
    talking peannuts.  Politicians are people too.
            Hope I didn't boar you, dear sweet Darly.  And you were just joking
    about others being self-righteous, right?  You were poking fun at yourself,
    I assume?
            BOB loves you and pukes on your boots.  (this is the BOB's way of
    showing the utmost affection for those who worship HIM.)
                                    -Rod

    Hello, Louis Reukaiser
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     1:        Beware the Great Depression of the Eighties is on its way.  Do not
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