### Apollo BBS Archive - July 19, 1991

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    Message: 7625
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 11:35:58

            I do not read supermarket RAGS... you do I suppose.

            I have read about the Libertarian party...  When I joined, I read
    everything, and found out they are radicals with no real plan on how to do
    anything.  I became very uncomfortable with them to the point it gave me
    shivers.  Like the enemy coming in the back door quietly.  Here you have
    a party (the libertarians) telling you they will shut down the IRS, and yet
    they can't even get on the ballot.

            In the past, communists got in by telling people fantastic lies that
    sounded too good to be true...  The libertarian party smacks of the same
    rhetoric.  Dean has you believeing the libertarian people are not subject to
    greed or crime... but it is fact, power corrupts, and the libertarians are
    not immune to this.

            *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 7626
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff/Idea
    Date: 07/18/91  Time: 22:56:26

    Here is another idea for an upgrade to Apollo.

    I think it would be nice if you had a CC: (Copy to) option in the post
    office, so that if say, a user wanted to send you and Bill Burkett a message
    reguarding a suggestion or a complaint, that they wouldn't have to type it
    again.  It would also be nice if there was a forward function after yuou
    were done reading it.  So that if you where talking about a hobby that
    someone else was interested in, like a meeting time and place, you could
    just send it right to him...  Cliff, I am sure you could find time between
    the Wife, Kids and 'Cuda, to make an upgrade to your baby...   :-)

    Anyone else like this Idea?   Speak up...  User involvement, let's hear it!

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    Message: 7627
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Libertarians
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:40:20

    The Libertarian Party is evidence in its very existence that there is
    movement and organization.  The popular (controlled) news media is
    controlled by government.

    If anyone under government regulation steps out of line, so to speak, then
    government holds the upper hand and can pull their license, harass them
    throught the IRS, have them all investigated by the FBI and do hits using
    the CIA.  They all stand a chance of being Jim Morrisoned, so to speak.

    Message: 7628
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/to good to be
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:43:09

    > If something sounds too good to be true then it can't be done.

    Cliff, if that were true then you'd still be in Russia.

    Message: 7629
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Felix/smoke
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:51:34

    Then don't work at a steel mill or be one the street six hours before and
    six hours after rush hour.

    I believe that a person can and does more injury to themselves from stuffing
    mass into their stomach pouches than into their lungs.  Both the stomach and
    the lungs are both carriers of proteins to all parts of the body.  Some
    vegetable products contain energy when put into smoke or other form and
    taken in.  A Big Mac is harmful but is not a felony nor should it be, but
    with proper education I doubt people would want to eat one very often.

                                    Rod
    P.S.  I did that paranoia piece just for you.

    Message: 7630
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/communism
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:53:04

    If the communist and libertarian philosophy is the same then I am confused.
    Now, tell us the truth, did that come from one of Sandy's books?

    Just checking, dude.

                                            Rod

    Message: 7631
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Election
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 00:58:53

    Suppose they gave an election and no one voted.  No one would win.  They
    couldn't assume office because each contender would think it was their place
    to take that office and they'd end up settling it behind the bar or with
    a 'hit' on their competition.  Look at how much cleaner our streets would be
    after that with no election signs messing up the landscape.  Sounds good to
    me, count me in on that non-vote issue.
                                    Rod

    Message: 7632
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Closet Joke
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 01:41:43

    Paul is really a closet atheist and Cliff is a closet libertarian (every two
    weeks).

    Message: 7633
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 09:59:12

    And you're a closet Christian!

    Message: 7634
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff on vote
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:35:47

    Who said I didn't vote? When I go to the polls, I put my X where I want it -
    but I don't put anything where I don't want either candidate. Where you just
    vote for the lessor of two evil - it is the likes of you that are ruining
    this nation, not I!

    Re: your ... "it is always better if the LESSOR of two evils gets in then
    the Greater evil getting in."

    Again, I find you fanatical. What pray tell is the Greater evil? Satan?
    Oh! You mean the Libertarians!

    If I am 'BITCHING' - does that mean you are 'SON-OF-A-BITCHING'?

                          -=* Bitchin Annie *=-

    Message: 7635
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Libs.
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:45:23

    Did you ever belong or now belong to the John Birch Society? My god man! Do
    you think EVERYTHING is Communistic!

    Dean has never even suggested that the Libertarians are perfect - not have
    greed or crime!

    You said ... "but it is fact, power corrupts, and the Libertarians are not
    immune to this."

    What in the heck do you think is terriably wrong with the two parties we
    have now Cliff? They are totally, irreversibly, decadent, power hungrey,
    greedy, immoral and beyond saving! 99% if ALL our problems can be blaimed on
    the government/politicians if one looks close enough.

    You would reather keep everything as it is now than try something new.
    I just don't understand that from a person that touts freedom all over the
    place. Here is a party that just may give you 'real' freedom someday and you
    won't even look closer and when you do, you see evil communism!??!
                                   *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7636
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Cliff
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:07:48

      What I was thinking, in my own strange way, when I wrote that you must be
    standing outside reality if communism and libertarianism look the same, was
    how any two objects might seem to be following the same path depending on
    your own path relative to them. It just seemed to me that the vantage point
    from which advocating the absolute state is the same thing as advocating the
    minimal state must be located somewhere outside normal space.
      Did you understand that? I'd worry more if you did than if you didn't.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7637
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:11:46

      I heard an interesting quote from a character in a TV movie last night,
    "Complete paranoia is complete awareness."
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7638
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/power
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:20:58

      If a platform calling for a great reduction in state power were adopted as
    public policy, there would be much less power in the hands of officials to
    corrupt them. It would not be necessary for the office holders to be above
    human weaknesses in order for them to be less of a danger to the rest of us
    than the current establishment.
      Would you care to tell us where you got the idea that the freedoms we
    would stand to regain from a reduction in state power would depend upon the
    whims of those serving in such a marginal state apparatus?
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7639
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Too Good
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:29:51

     'If something sounds too good to be true then it can't be done.'

      If you had been told five years ago that the Soviet Union was going to
    collapse and come to us, hat in hand, to ask for help in remaking themselves
    in our image, I'm sure you would have said it was too good to be true.
      If you had been told two years ago that we would go to war against the
    million man force of Iraq's military, on their home turf, and destroy them
    with only 100 hours of ground combat and light American casualties, you
    would probably have said that that was too good to be true as well.
      The quote you should have made was, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
    probably is." Regaining our freedom probably is too good to be true, but
    only because there are so many well-meaning enemies of freedom, not because
    freedom's champions are not worthy of support.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7640
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/election
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:38:23

      What we really need is a "None of the Above" choice on all ballots. If
    only a greater and a lesser evil are offered it is better to let the office
    go unfilled and the paycheck remain unclaimed until someone capable of
    defeating "None of the Above" in a fair contest does so.
      The problem with that is it allows the voter a real choice rather than a
    forced selection of the few alternatives the establishment wants to give
    them. It could put an end to people not voting, because it is a much better
    way of showing dissatisfaction than staying home. Those who would like to
    channel the voter along predictable lines do not like this idea. You don't
    even need to look any further than the nearest CRT to see an example.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7641
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/Lectures
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:00:55

        Because it not only provides evidence from the earth and fossil record
    that the Genesis accounts of creation and the flood are accurate, but it
    also exposes evolution for what it is (a religion in itself), and the real
    conflict not being between science and religion, but the difference between
    the science of one religion versus the science of another religion.
        I believed the accuracy of the Bible, but always had difficulties with
    Genesis 1-2 (due mainly to the induction and brainwashing into the
    evolutionary religious mindset fed to me in the public schools.)  But this
    series of lectures has dashed away those difficulties.  It provides good
    solid foundation, based upon the geological and fossil records, that Genesis
    1-2 correlate far better and more consistently with the aforementioned
    evidence than do the various evolutionary theories.
       I admit my bias. But everyone is biased, be it atheists, agnostics,
    theists or revelationists.  Take an atheistic evolutionist, for example.
    Can an atheistic evolutionist, in the course of his studies, ever take into
    the account the possibility that God created anything?  Certainly not...and
    why?  Because as soon as he does, what does he cease being?  Of course, an
    ATHEIST.  Can a creationist ever take into account that God didn't create?
    The answer again is, no.  So it's not a matter of whether you're biased or
    not, but rather a matter of which bias is the best bias to be biased with.

    Message: 7642
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau / 7602
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:03:08

         I certainly will, thank you.

    Daryl "Evolution is a Lie" Westfall

    Message: 7643
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean / Creation
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:10:04

        Then you have never seen or heard from lectures from such scientists and
    speakers as Ken Ham, Gary Parker and John Whitcomb.  I have the first two on
    videotape (a ten-hour seminar on creation/evolution) and the third, also on
    video, in a series of six one-hour lectures.

        And before Mr. Moral James says a single word, the copyrights on these
    videos allow for free-use and non-profit duplication for private study
    and/or group use.  So I am within the boundaries of the law. Plbrfth.

        Trust me, these guys are nothing short of first rate.  If you are
    interested in seeing these videos sometime, please let me know and I will be
    more than happy to let you borrow a set.  I'm not placing bets that they
    will change your mind, but I'm sure they will at least let you know that
    creation scientists DO do their homework.  If you're interested, drop me a
    line in the Post Office.

    Message: 7644
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod / 7609
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:11:17

        And hashish a la mode for dessert?

    X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4940
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:50:03

    And we have survived many trips to the Zone haven't we? Keep up the buttons.
    They are hilarious.

    I have not been to Gallery X yet and look forward to it one of these days.
    I do get brochures in the mail from them and always intend to go but....!
    Sounds interesting. See you my god. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 4941
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: spelling test
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 15:11:23

    We got a Metropophobobia flyer on our windshield at the Lollapaloosa
    concert.

    Message: 4942
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:04:11

    Sounds like a commie plot.

    End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1905
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Blowing Smoke
    Subject: Sandy as EMT
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:50:31

            Sandy is working on an ambulance now..has been for the past 3 weeks.
    Today she got a lecture from someone she had to transport... This person was
    a long time smoker and now she has to *fight* for every breath... that is
    about 20 times per minute.  Sandy does not even smoke, and she has this
    woman telling her to keep away from the stuff.

            As for the lady smoker...  she too was a millitant PRO smoker who
    thought it was all bull from the anti smoking people...till it was too late.
    Now she wishes she had heeded the warnings...she would not be in the mess
    she is now with no hope of getting out of it.  Sandy said she was pathetic
    and so upset....    A life ruined when one should enjoy their grandchildren.

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 1906
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:05:20

    Yeah, she's smoking the wrong stuff.

    Public Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 76801
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Lantern
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:20:15

    Or Green Mann, whichever. I have no problem understanding our "relationship"
    at all, Roger. There is none.

    Message: 76802
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Green Thing
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:21:58

     Re-read the first post you put on here after your name change. After you
    do, if you have to ask what sarcasm is, you'll never know.

    Message: 76803
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/insurance
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:25:36

     If your business is listed in the Yellow Pages, how many calls do you get
    per week from some telephone solicitor or other, always asking for the
    "owner or manager", wanting to sell you health insurance?
     Don't you just love to waste your time with people like that?

    Message: 76804
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Annie/addiction
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:28:20

    "But I don't smoke, dearie"
     What? Is this your annual week off, or what? When did you quite this time?
    If you really did, congratulations! It takes about a year to get all the
    gunk out of your lungs, and then you're on your way to much better health.
    Go for it!

    Message: 76805
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/Paul
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:36:38

     THere is no "supplement" to the Bible, Ann. The Bible stands alone as the
    total, complete and absolute Word of Almighty God. What I said was simly
    that there are certain things written in the Bible that pertained to
    situations and circumstances that existed in Biblical times that no longer
    exist. I tried to explain the one about women keeping silent in the church,
    but you apparently missed the rest of that post. I haven't seen a place of
    worship in my life that had a curtain in th middle separating the men from
    the women, such as existed when Paul wrote that admonition against shouting
    out in the holy place. One doesn't need any specific "ancient writing" to
    know the customs of that day. Any study of temporal customs will create an
    understanding of the circumstances.
     Incidentally, I have learned much truth over the years from women teaching
    in the church. Matter of fact, if it weren't for women, we would no doubt
    have a very serious shortage of Sunday School teachers.

    Message: 76806
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/76794
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 05:44:03

     My reference to "slimy ooze" was more a comment on my distaste for the
    color green, which is not my favorite.
     As to the hate and name calling, I agree, it is not the Christian way, but
    how many times am I to turn the other cheek? I was under the impression that
    ROger and I agreed that the nonsense was silly, anad we were going to cease
    and desist. All ROger did was change his name after one day in the Zone. His
    message content hasn't changed appreciably. Am I to put up with his sarcasm
    and nonsense in silence, all in the name of Christianity? (After one "turns
    the other cheek", the Good Book gives no further instructions, so it seems
    only fair to render fire for fire.) I'm more than willing to stop anytime,
    but I'm not all that willing to put up AND shut up. THe day that Roger
    "Green Lantern" Mann ceases and desists is the day I do also. He stops
    baiting the hook. I stop biting. Fair enough?

    Message: 76807
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Four Freedoms
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 06:43:47

    Anyone remember the four freedoms ? I remember a Saturday Evening Post cover
    by Norman Rockwell. Were they: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion,
    Freedom from Fear?, and Freedom from Want? Well, all you old fogies help me
    out here.

    Message: 76808
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bible Supplement
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 07:15:35

    OK, Ann, there's no supplement to the Bible.  However, what does happen is
    that Christians spend days and weeks sitting around trying to figure out how
    some embarrassing Bible quote could *possibly* be explained rationally.  One
    of the ways is to invent some ancient custom.  If the ancient custom hasn't
    been invented yet, then you get the "you need to spend years in order to
    understand" answer which I got a month or so back.  There is also the "you
    shouldn't pretend to understand God, he is beyond your petty rational mind"
    retort -- saved for those who get particularly embarrassing.

    Message: 76809
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/Green
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 07:54:40

    I don't understand why you keep referring to me as "Green Mann" and "Roger
    Lantern." While it is mildly amusing, I must confess that I am somewhat
    irritated by your insistence on associating me with Roger Mann. Also, your
    most unkind remarks about my opening remarks to you are certainly uncalled
    for. However, now that I have been the subject of your uncalled-for insults,
    I can sympathize more readily with Mr. Mann and understand his reaction to
    ad hominem attacks in the past. Therefore, I will ignore any posts you may
    address to me in the future that I consider to be insulting, but I will
    reply to any you send to me that show normal courtesy.

    Message: 76810
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Thad/Prisons
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 08:29:52

    > Yes, there are violent criminals who should be kept apart from
    > society, but who do not deserve death.

    In that case, I would agree with you.

    I wrote and produced a videotape a couple years ago that dealt with
    intensive probation supervision, a program that basically involves house
    arrest for certain types of non-violent felons.  Generally speaking, it
    permits them to leave their homes only for work, school or court-mandated
    counselling.  The program also places a heavy emphasis on restitution and
    both regular and surprise visits by probations officers several times each
    week.

    All in all, I was quite impressed by intensive probation and the results it
    has shown so far.  And it's cheaper than prison!

    Message: 76811
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on #76777
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 10:57:49

    I cannot believe that you are serious about putting Pauley in the Zone for
    that green slime comment about the Green Lantern. What is with all this
    'threats of the Zone' all of a sudden? I would hardly call him being
    un-christian in that post or nasty at all. I took it he meant it in a joking
    way.
    AND - where is Pauley so angry that you accuse him of? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76812
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Green on doctors
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:02:45

    I think also that because doctors have modern medicine at their fingertips,
    they will use it no matter the expense, (maybe because of it) just because
    it's there!

    In 1983 my mother-in-law had a valve put in her heart. She never saw the
    doctor that preformed the operation before or after! Luckily, she had
    insurance and found out later that they paid that doctor over $10,000 for
    that operation (seems awfully high to me)! Over the years, she well paid
    that money and much more and I thought it at least entitled her to meet the
    doctor that had her life in his hands. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76813
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on phone
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:08:54

    I guess phone soliciting is the highest thing on my list that I'd like to
    get rid of! EVERY night during the hours of 5 to 7 (dinner time) we get at
    LEAST 2 calls and more like 4 calls per night!! Usually, one is a computer
    too and that is the highest insult a business could do to it's protential
    customers!!! Not too long ago on TV, they did a story on phone soliciting
    and said it was profitable - which surprised me. All I know is, no matter
    what they are selling, whether I wish for their product with all my heart, I
    would not buy it on principle alone! The computer advertisments are not
    faring well however! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76814
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on smoking
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:11:15

    I have not had a cigarette for over 6 months - however, I have not quit
    smoking! I am only not smoking at this time because of choice, nothing else!
    When I want to smoke again, I will and willingly and with joy! Sorry to
    burst your bubble Pauley! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76815
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on church
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:18:44

    You said ... "I tried to explain the one about women keeping silent in the
    church, but you apparently missed the rest of that post."

    I didn't miss it at all  - but you apparantly missed the rest of mine. How
    about ...
    Timothy Chap. 2 vs. 8???? "I (Paul) permit no woman to teach or to have
    authority over men, she is to keep silent?!

    Sorry, but it doesn't sound to me like he was 'going with the times' on that
    one. It is clear and precise. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76816
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Doggy # 76808
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:22:37

    Yeah - I figured that out. They are all so mysterious - knowing something we
    don't know etc. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76817
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on alies
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:28:38

    I thought the reason you made it 'no alias' on Apollo a while back because
    of what's happening now between Pauley and Green Lantern. BUT - you could
    clear this up quite simply by stating that Green Lantern IS NOT Roger Mann
    as you have done before with other members! Green can protest until he is
    blue in the face and no one will believe him, but a word from you WILL be
    believed! If you do not deny that he is Roger, then we will assume he is
    then! I think this is all fair. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76818
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: News
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 11:57:05

    What do you all think about the $25,000 pay raise the senators voted in for
    themselves? I for one am going to raise holy hell over that - telephone
    calls and scathing letters - especially to the senator of Virgina. What a
    sneak! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76819
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Crime/Punishment
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:42:21

      That was well said and I agree with most of it.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76820
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Nudity
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:46:49

    Points well taken.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76821
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bill/Probation
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:53:39

    Do you have access to any of the results ? I like the idea that a method can
    be found to turn a person who takes from society into a person who
    contributes to society.

    Message: 76822
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Phone Solicitors
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 12:56:35

    I firmly, yet politely, tell any phone solicitor that calls that I do not
    buy anything from phone solicitors. This direct approach seems to work very
    well as it does not lead into some of the more aggressive tactics these
    callers use to get you to listen to them. I have also found that the
    frequency of phone solicitation has gone down.

    Message: 76823
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: phone solicitors
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 15:04:51

    The last time I heard from a telephone solicitor was months ago.  How do you
    guys get so many calls?

    Message: 76824
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Other Cheek
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 16:45:27

      You might consider Jesus' example at his trial, where he was
    accused of many things and questioned many questions by those
    who were only looking for an excuse to accuse him-- He answered them
    nothing, for the most part, and when he did, his response was perfectly
    calm and mild.
     I can't quite point to a specific scripture, but in view of Jesus'
    instructions to forgive brothers "Until seventy time seven", and his
    general instructions, "blessed are the meek" and humble, It seems
    rather out of harmony with the spirit of his teachings to return
    insult for insult and mockery for mockery, or persecution for
    persecution.

    Message: 76825
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Four Freedoms
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 16:47:49

    That is correct. The Four Freedoms, and the paintings to match them, are
    posted on one of the walls at my work place.

    Message: 76826
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Congressional Pay
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 17:01:29

    One of the members of the Constitituional Convention apparently thought
    it "obscene" that members of Congress vote on their own salaries, but
    the convention could not come up with a better way to arrange it.
    If they could have seen two hundred years into the future, they might
    have thought it even more so.
     Question: In view of the fact that Congress is incapable of balancing the
    budget, and is piling on so much debt that before long we will need tax
    increases just to pay the INTEREST on the debt (already the largest
    single item in the federal budget), and that reportedly some 96% of
    Congress was reelected, and that they keep voting larger and larger
    pay increases for themselves and performing worse and worse,
      Have we in this country created an entrenched self-perpetuating
    aristocracy in exhange for a representative government? We can't blame
    the Soviet Union or anything else for this one.

    Message: 76827
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/names
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:08:36

    What Cliff objected to was $tatus users logging in as other people (and even
    for a while when a non-status user wouldn't keep the same name).  Handles he
    has no quarrel with.

    Message: 76828
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: B-Dog/last
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 21:54:12

            You got that right, I have NO problems with handles.  Heck, I
    oted to keep handles in the Apollo Vote a few months back.
    Ann seems to have a problem understanding this...  But you guys with
    handles, fear not....  I am not out to get you!

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 76829
    Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Paul in Zone
    Date: 07/19/91  Time: 22:24:16

            Ann, I once thought what was going on between you and Mike Carter
    was a JOKE...till you left.   So, where do you get off telling me it's a
    joke between Paul and the Green Lighthouse?   The ules YOU people wanted
    ENFORCED (so Ann would come back) apply to EVERYONE.  There will be no NAME
    calling on the PUBlic board.

            I am not here to second guess personal attacks....  Like I said, I
    was caught by supprise with Ann and Mike Carter...and I still till this day
    have not recovered my enjoyment of this board.

                            clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

    Message: 76830
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod / Prayer
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:20:51

         There is a difference between prayer and praise, Rod.  There is also a
    difference between prayer and witnessing.

    > Nothing grosses me out more than to hear some syrupy, sweet voice praising
    > their god out loud.  It makes me want to puke, on them.

    I guess I shouldn't be too hard on you, Rod.  At least you are not lukewarm
    on matters of a religious nature.  The only problem is, I wish you wouldn't
    be so ambiguous.  You need to start learning how to SAY what you really
    mean.

    Daryl ("Darwin was an antichrist") Westfall

    Message: 76831
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Your Point
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:22:58

        Seems like your diatribing against my "party line" has become your own
    party line.  I guess it all boils down to which party line is the best party
    line to espouse a party line with.  (Sorry for being redundant -- I know
    I've used that one already, but I just couldn't help it, you know? It was
    just...THERE.)

    Daryl ("The Big Bang hasn't happened...it's yet to come") Westfall

    Message: 76832
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul / Metrocenter
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:24:58

        Given the fact that the Metro Parkway is really not an essential
    thoroughfare for intercity travel, I would not be surprised if it were not
    indeed private property.  Now Central Avenue is another matter altogether.

    Message: 76833
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul / 76704
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:30:41

        Ah, let him spew.  He's certainly harmless enough.  He speaks much about
    that which he knows little, and that's not much of a threat at all.
    Actually, it would be amusing if it wasn't so incredibly sad.  An atheist
    toeing the atheist party line, screaming and ranting and puking over
    Christians who toe the Christian party line.  It's like those groups that
    demand equality and tolerance in religious matters, and then go on to list
    all the things they are against.  Have you ever noticed when people complain
    about you being too dogmatic?  They're always so dogmatic about it, aren't
    they?

    Message: 76834
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill on Ann
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:32:08

        Ann doesn't understand the answer because she's not asking the right
    questions.

    Message: 76835
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Vices
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:37:56

         Whenever you place anything at a higher priority in life than God, then
    it is displeasing to Him.

    Message: 76836
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on Paul
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 00:47:51

        He did not distinguish that men were better.  Why did he bring up Eve's
    sinning and causing Adam to sin?  BECAUSE IT HAPPENED, that's why.  Why did
    he bring up that woman was made from man?  BECAUSE SHE WAS.  There certainly
    must be a reason why God created the human race the way He did.  (And please
    do not respond along the lines of 'because the Bible was written by men who
    were male-chauvinists.'  If you do, then there is really no point in us
    continuing this discussion because you see the Bible as the word of man, and
    I see it as that word of God, spoken through man.)
        I believe that women should receive equality in the workplace, just as I
    believe that men should receive equality in the workplace.  I believe that
    all races should receive equality in the workplace.  (Racism is a by-product
    of evolutionary thought, as true Bible students recognize all humanity
    having a common ancestor in Noah.  Also, we are all the same color...some
    just have more of it [the pigment melanin] than others.)  However, in those
    things which the Bible expressly sets forth as the duty of either a man or a
    woman, then in those things I must hold fast to the will of God.  Such as
    the fact that I am against the ordination of women pastors, and against the
    ordination of practicing gays and lesbians.  Don't fault me; I'm only being
    consistent.)  As far as work and money goes, my wife makes quite a bit more
    than I do, and it does not bother me a bit.  I do wish that I was making
    more than I am, however, as it would get us out of the financial sinkhole
    that we are presently in.
        I do believe that the man is the head of the household.  I believe that
    to be the case because (yes, he's going to say it again) God has set it
    forth that way.  The man/father of the house is to be the leader of the
    house both in regular matters, and especially in spiritual matters.  A
    father is to be a role-model in this respect, a (decidedly limited) human
    representation of our Heavenly Father.  It is the destruction of the family
    unit that has distorted the father's role, and resulted in all of the
    feminist infiltration of the essence of God as Father AND Mother, or Father
    OR Mother, take your pick, they would say.
        And I do not believe the the Equal Rights Movement is seeking equality
    for women.  I believe they are seeking SUPREMACY.  And I do not believe in
    quotas.  I believe that each person should be judged according to their own
    merit.  The white male is quickly becoming the discriminated one in matters
    of employment.  It should not be a matter of whether you are a Bruce or a
    Shiela, or how much pigment you have in your skin, but how bleedin' well you
    can do your job.

    Daryl "I really need to go to bed" Westfall

    Message: 76838
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Your Verse
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:03:07

         So you have proclaimed a new theology of public witnessing by
    Christians based upon one verse of Scripture?  Remember, it's the same book
    that reads, "A fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'"  It also says,

    "Shout [yes, SHOUT!] happily in the LORD, O righteous people!
     ...Sing to Him a new song, play well on the instruments with happy
     shouting...All you people, clap your hands; shout [there's that word
    again!] to God with loud rejoicing [yes, LOUDER, I don't think Rod can hear
    you]..."

    Christ was talking about hypocritical prayer, praying because you know
    people will be looking and you want to really impress them with your
    piousness.  That is a far cry from sincere and heart-felt rejoicing, and
    also from honest speaking of His truth with others.  Remember, if it makes
    you feel like you want to puke, you always have an [S] key escape.

    Message: 76839
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul / Body Temple
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:07:57

         It's amazing the number of desecrated and vandalized temples you see
    walking around every day, isn't it?  Of course it's not merely physical
    destruction that is an offense to God but moreso the spiritual decay.
    Better a fat Christian than a muscular atheist.

    Message: 76840
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Felix on Women
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:12:53

        I do not think that Paul meant by any means that women could not SPEAK
    in church.  My wife and I always discuss points in the sermon as we listen.
    What did Paul mean?  I believe he meant that women are not to speak in a
    preaching capacity within the church.

    Message: 76841
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Peter / Sticker
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:14:23

    One of my favorites is:

       GOD'S LAST NAME IS NOT DAMMIT

    Another is:

       MANY WHO PLAN TO SEEK GOD AT THE ELEVENTH HOUR...

                    ...DIE AT 10:30!

    Message: 76842
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bill/Interpretation
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:19:27

        I believe that the reader should allow the Bible to speak for itself,
    clear passages shedding light on those passages that are less clear. The
    Bible is it's own interpreter.  And I don't feel that there is anything that
    needs to be thrown out or dismissed.

        Of course, I plan on getting the patent on the "Bible Highlighter for
    Liberal Theologians." It's a black thick-tipped permanent marker for
    crossing out those passages which do not pertain to him.

    Message: 76843
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod on Prayer
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:24:45

    "With one mind these all kept PRAYING TOGETHER.  With them were the women,
    including Jesus' mother Mary, and His brothers." (Acts 1:14)

    In short, give it up, Rod.  Your one-verse dogmatism wouldn't hold water,
    even if Paul and I didn't bother taking the time to blow it OUT of the
    water.

    This is the reason why I feel you never have, and never will, grasp exactly
    what the Bible is all about.  But I do believe in miracles, and in prayer
    so I guess anything is possible.

    Message: 76844
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul on "Custom"
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:27:26

         I believe that the Biblical restriction against pastoral authority by
    women is still as much in effect now as it was then.  Just as our partaking
    of the Lord's Supper, even though it originally was not shared among all
    believers upon it's institution, but only Christ's disciples.

    Message: 76845
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/Turning Cheek
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:29:05

        Christ did it all the way to the cross.

    Message: 76846
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on 1Ti 2:8
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 01:32:52

    Read a little further, to verse 15.

    "But women, having children, will be saved if they live in faith, love, and
    holiness, and use good judgment."

    It does not say that they are saved through childbearing.

    Message: 76847
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bible supplement
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:07:41

    Yes, that is correct, the bible was written many, many years ago.  There has
    never been an update.  People who believe in it are living way in the past.
    Too bad.
                                    Rod

    Message: 76848
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/20/91  Time: 02:25:03

    I have taken it upon myself to eliminate evil, I have championed a cause.
    I attack Christianity because it is the predominate religion in this land.
    I, in all honesty see it as a vile and filthy thing that is corrupting our
    youth.  Look at what it has obviously done to you and some of the others.

    I'm happy with my vocation.  You cannot change it because your words of
    religion are shallow and lacking in even basic logic.  However you are a
    good poet and if and when you ever wake up, you can help with the cause.

    You twist words and meanings to suit yourself like other so-called
    Christians on this board but it is so obvious to those who are free in
    thought.  You fool few.

    I will continue my endeavor as it gives me a sense of purpose and worth.  I
    see Christianity as a disease that attacks the weak mind.  -Rod

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