### Apollo BBS Archive - April 30, 1989

    Mail from Apollo SYSOP
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:47:28

    Fun post there in the RGB SIG.....  It is still "Wink" so I re-attacked
    you.....

    Cliffart
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     1:Sounds good to me.  Let's make the most fun out of it as possible.  Life is
     2:short and boring.  I enjoyed the posts in the RGB SIG.  Thanks.  -rod

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 03:47:12

    Do you take any vitamins?
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     1:        No, the only vitamins I get is from fish and pepsi.  Why?

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 09:00:24

    I am an agnostic, so I don't know.
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     1:        Who does know?  Someday, I hope, I will meet this Who guy. He knows
     2:everything, I'm told.  Rod
     3:
     4:P.S.  have you ever considered helping me out on the main board?  At least
     5:blow Savage away.

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 167
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 10:35:21

    What do you want to know?

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 58418
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Scientific / Christ
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 00:09:32

            Where did you dig those so called FACTs up about children from
    a scientific background being more sound than children of a minister?
    State the source please.
            My facts show me since we have gotten away from prayer in schools
    and the teaching of God in schools, Morals have decayed to an all time low.
    The best well mannered children have come from Private Christian Schools and
    Home Type Schools when Christian programs are taught.  If the Bible is
    taught correctly, it will not come off as a fairy tale.
            I agree that Santa and Peter Rabbit need to go, along with
    things like Christmas trees (you always seem to have a tree Rod) and easter
    eggs.

    Cliff

    Message: 58419
    Author: Zeb Hollander   NOTE:  This was me
    Category: Religion
    Subject: last few posts
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 01:40:03

         I've been told that the more education a person has the less religious
    they are.  I don't know if this helps.

    Message: 58420
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: on line time
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 04:03:50

    Cutting back system hours will cause you to lose several users. In the
    summer, many new users log in at odd hours of the morning, so you'll likely
    miss out on potential $tatus customers. I for one would find it difficult,
    if not impossible, to log in if system hours are cut back to 10AM to 10PM.

    Message: 58421
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: SYsop/Rod
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 05:54:42

     I agree. Rod's posts are getting hard to handle, again.
    No need to throw the baby out with the dirty bath water though. Apollo means
    a lot of things to a lot of people. It would be less fair to all of us to
    shut down the BBS to shut up one obnoxious user. There are alternatives.
    Please consider them. God bless you and Sandy. You are in our prayers
    always, and perform a very special service by maintaining this system.

    Message: 58422
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 05:57:57

     I make statements such as the personal accountability for every word we
    utter with the full realization that every time I point a finger at anyone I
    have three more pointed back at myself. I do not set myself up as a standard
    of Christianity, and never have. Jesus did that quite well, both during His
    life and at Calvary. It is the only standard we need by which to measure
    ourselves, with the knowledge that forgiveness for our shortcomings was
    provided at the cross and is available for the asking.

    Message: 58423
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/accidents
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 06:05:28

    We are entering one of those gray areas in which there is no clear cut black
    or white answer, and, quite frankly, without meaning to be demeaning or
    insulting, due to your lack of depth in spiritual matters, and your
    shallowness of understanding in such areas, I would rather not pursue the
    discussion, since for me to attempt to explain the workings and attributes
    of God on a media such as this would lead to nothing more than even more
    misunderstanding and confusion.
     Knowing absolutely nothing about the injured boy, other than he disobeyed a
    fundamental rule of safety, I am in no position to make any further
    decision. However, much is known, and has been for years, concerning
    Lippard's anti-Christian, anti-deist crusades. We are, therefore, in a
    better position to make a value judgement in his case. Whether we are right
    or wrong, however, is up to God, not us.

    Message: 58424
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 06:09:24

    You're sick and from the looks of it will remain so until the day your body
    dies.

    Message: 58425
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apollo down time
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 06:15:17

    What does a 10-10 time do to those of us (like me) who log on early EVERY
    morning? By 10AM my day is well under way, and I don't have time to get on
    the computer, and I have far too many other things to do in the evenings.
    Somewhere between 5-7 AM is the only time I have for BBSing. Please
    reconsider those hours, and thanks.

    Message: 58426
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 06:51:20

    Cliff, I log on early mornings.  Just because you and Sandy can sleep in,
    every one else can't. If you must shut down hours, make it between 10am and
    10:15 am. OK?
                      Love Ya
                      Ralph

    Message: 58427
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 06:54:05

    At this time most other boards are slow.  So this board isn't doing bad.

    Message: 58428
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: 10 to 10
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 07:33:15

            I can see that will not work...  A few main users have pointed out
    that they would NOT be able to BBS with Apollo.  I will have to shave less
    to save electricity.
            Back to the drawing board....  How about run Apollo at night from
    10pm to 10 am?

    Cliff

    Message: 58429
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Time
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 08:10:27

    I like the 10PM to 10 AM better because I too log on very early - once in a
    while at 4:30AM! If the day is real slow on Apollo - then that's a good
    idea. But if you do change the hours - I'm afraid you will loose some users
    and potential new users. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58430
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/your Truth
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 08:28:55

    Good posts. Brings back my childhood clearly. I remember being devistated
    when someone told me their was no Santa. I cried all day. I swore for years
    that I had actually seen the Easter Bunny - ditto devistation when I found
    out that was a lie. When I was a Catholic and was told all that they tell -
    --- I went around for years monitoring all my thoughts for fear I'd commit a
    mortal sin and end up in hell. Of course, I had 'bad' thoughts and was
    constantly going to confession. I remember clearly a nun describing
    Pergatory to our class - all the pain which was 100% worse than hell was
    suppose to be and I laid awake many nights scared to death of going there
    because I knew I was no 'angel'! Therefore, at a very young age, I was
    already fearing death with a dread! It still shapes my life today in many
    forms. The simplest thing I ever did was 'I quit believing in Hell and
    Pergatory'! But it still leaves a mark. A child, I believe cannot comprehend
    the real meaning behind Christianity - Jesus's death - the reserection etc.
    etc. - they only consentrate on the seemingly 'bad' like hell, pain and
    suffering. The Bible can read like a real horror story to young minds. I.E.
    --- Jonah, Job, the plagues of Egypt, Jesus dying horribly on a piece of
    wood and worst of all, Revelations! That could give adults nightmares! It
    seems like all my life I've had a feeling that somehing was going to get me
    - God, the devil, the second coming etc. etc. My mind now tells me
    differently, but it's still vaguely there. This can't be good. Life should
    be joyful, not apprehensive about something - not unknown, but 'unknowable'!
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58431
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 09:04:01

    If Apollo is up only between 10 p.m. and 10 a.m., I will never be able to
    use it except on weekends.

    Message: 58432
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 09:39:13

    KEEP APOLLO GOING or you are DEAD.........!!!!!!!!
    Killed no longer able to see
    do or anything.
                  Your Friend
                  Ralph!!!!!!!!

    Message: 58433
    Author: Robert Zeldenhoff   NOTE:  This is me.
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Apollo
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 12:24:33

    What's an Apollo?

    Message: 58434
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 14:25:38

    What's a Zeldenhoff?

    Message: 58435
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: SAVAGE
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 14:30:06

         Haight-Ashbury is fast becoming a business district, with many store
    fronts being rented/leased to "fashion" clothing chains and such.
         Rod hates landlords.
         Rods hates shopping.
         Why would he want to go back to Haight-Ashbury today?

         Illogical, Paul.

    Message: 58436
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: BBS Hours
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 16:47:18

    Cliff,
       I usually call from work between 8am and 5pm and after work between 4pm
    and midnight. I could live with 10pm to 10 am, but not very happily.
    Actually I wouldn't like it much the other way either, since I don't always
    have time to call from work.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 58437
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 16:52:36

    Cliff,
       Have you considered the possibility that you could be contributing to a
    lack of activity by taking  a side on issues, but then threatening to take
    the system down in reaction to opposing opinion? I realize that that is not
    what you mean, but it makes me reluctant to even argue with someone else on
    an issue that I know you would agree with them on.
       As I have said before, I enjoy Apollo and the friends I have met through
    it and would miss it.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

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     1:I am a Zenderhoff, so what?

    Message: 58438
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hours
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:22:06

            How about from 10 am to 10 pm on even numbered days then from 10 pm
    to 10 am on odd numbered days.  Unless of course the 10am to 10 pm falls on
    the first friday of the month then you should reverse it.  Of course on days
    when the moon is full you could put the system up from 6am to 6pm unless of
    course the moon wasn't in Cancer so in that case, it could be from 6pm to 6
    am.  But if Venus is rising then I think that from 3pm to 3am would be
    better suited unless of course it is an odd numbered day then it could be
    from 3am to 3 pm.  But if it is raining then noon to midnight would be good
    although if there is lightening in the air, from midnight to noon.  I'm sure
    we can work this out.  -Rod

    Message: 58439
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:22:36

            Very good point.

    Message: 58440
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth (facts?)
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:24:11

        Cliff, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

         I remember the days when prayer was mandatory in public schools.  I
    started school in 1948 and finished in 1956.  Those were some pretty
    lawless times.  Nation was warring against nation.  The whole bloody
    world was at war when I was a kid.  Civil Defense was quite a big thing
    in those days right along with bank robbery and murder.  We played fun
    games in school.  Quite often we got to play duck and cover.  We were
    well schooled in staying away from windows when the nuclear devices
    exploded.  We knew we only had seconds to hide if we saw a big flash.

         Of course we were taught, as all good children are, that God was on
    our side and that everything would be okay.  Instead of crack in those
    days, the people just had alcohol and heroin.  They used these substances
    in great quantity, especially the former.  Morals are not at a all time
    low, there are just more people and communications are better.

         The people who are now running this system are from the age when
    prayer was in school.  It seems like they consentrated more or religion
    than on good common, scientific, sense.
    next

    Message: 58441
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth (2 of 4)
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:25:28

         And how does one go about "teaching the bible correctly" as you say?
    Do we tell the little children that all they must do is believe that
    Jesus was the son of the entity that created everything and that we must
    believe in Him in order to gain eternal life in a place called Heaven?
    All others go to hell?  Damage their little brains, eh.

         Wouldn't it be better to teach the little ones that we are on a
    delicate ball of matter and that each of us are brother and sister?  You
    can tell a thinking child that, "Thou shall not steal", is correct but when
    an individual reaches the age of reason within themselves, they will see
    that government and big business makes their living by ripping off the
    working class.  Our Christian masters in government and big business
    never learned their lessons well, it would seem.  These same people are
    from that "prayer in school" period.  A child begins to understand when
    his belly aches from cheap food and he sees his parents struggle under
    the thumbs of the mortgage companies and utilities.

         You and I are, fortunately, are not poor, so it may be hard for
    you or anyone reading this message to understand that many poor exist.
    Take my word for it.  I see them on a daily basis.  They exist in great
    numbers.

    Message: 58442
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth (3 of 4)
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:26:17

         A poor child does not understand when he views the rich children
    with all of their luxuries, when they have to strain just to get enough
    food.  Chances are these rich people attend church on a regular basis.
    But the poor are easy to ignore, I suppose.  All one has to do is turn
    their head in the opposite direction or drive a little faster. "Gotta
    get to church on time" has probably been used more than once.

         These poor children are taught, by a Christian standard, that they
    should share what they have with their fellow men.  They are told that if
    they have two coats and their neighbor has none, that they should gladly
    give up one of their coats.  These same children are also told that if
    they want to gain eternal reward they must sell all they have, giving it
    to the poor (gee, that's them) and follow Him.  All the poor are being
    given is poor quality housing and goods.  The rich flourish.

         I have met a few of these people who have come from Private
    Christian Schools.  Trying to hold a decent conversation with them is
    well nigh impossible.  Their heads are full of 'fairy-tale' pudding and
    many will end up going through life in the dark, so to speak.  In a sense
    they are hypnotised, brainwashed from early life.  Paul Savage is a good
    example of a person like that.  He is brain-dead and doesn't even know
    it.  His masters did a remarkable job on him.

    Message: 58443
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth (4 of 4)
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:27:14

         But as scientific reasoning makes headway, people like Paul are
    being replaced, for the most part, by less dogmatic individuals.  The
    main followers of fairy-tale religion, as it were, has been noted, from
    supporters of the television ministries, to be predominately composed of
    people in the 40-65 age group.  The generations after that are a little
    more intelligent because they are better informed.

         In your religion, all scientific data is thrown out.  The existence
    of a deity, any deity, is unknowable.  Faith replaces reasoning and from
    the looks of it has managed to keep this world divided and in the dark.
    Scientists like Carl Sagan, who make a lot of sense, are ignored by those
    brain-dead individuals.  Madness rules.  Oh well, I always said that the
    human animal is ignorant, except for a few scientific minds, that is.
                                    -Rod

    Message: 58444
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/message
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:28:49

            Good message.  I know a girl whose mind was heavily warped by being
    told that her father was going to hell because he was not a Chrisitan.  She
    lived in anguish many years with this thought.  It is not a singular
    incident either.   -rod

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 308
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last...
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:46:24

            That does it.... You have really done it now....
    I am gong to call you a "CHRISTIAN"   in fact, make that a Baptist
    Christian!
            There, Stick that in your fucking nose and SNORT!

    If you had a brain in your dick I would worry about you O.D.ing on your drug
    habit...  but you don't have a brain, and you can't hurt hamburger.
            Come to think of it, I am sure you don't have a dick either!

    Your safe!

    Cliffer

    Message: 309
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last many
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 04:09:20

    Is this what you two call an intelligent debate? If God is reading this,
    He's laughing hysterically.

    Message: 310
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Nick/Hawley
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 11:27:10

            Nick, where do you get off thinking this is suppose to be an
    intelligent debate?  Everyone knows you can't talk pro-anti religion and be
    intelligent at the same time.
            Would you prefer the whopp method of calling in the black hand to
    silence my foe?

            Hawley.... what is this "Be Happy" crap?  I mean to say that sounds
    about as well as "Be Gay"...   Why don't you two "Be Quiet" if you don't
    have anything un-intelligent to add.

            Thats all we need... Whopp Hawley and FatMan Ianuzzi in on this....

    Now Rod, you were saying.......

    Message: 311
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliffart
    Date: 04/30/89  Time: 17:36:47

            All the people I've met who are into religion have their noses up
    their asses.  They care about as much about their brother as I care about
    how many dingleberries you have in that beard of yours.  In fact, you had
    better shave it off because you may be kicked out of your 'holier than thou'
    church for looking like a hippie.

            The reason preachers can be seen licking their lips during sermons
    is because they are thinking of all the little boys and girls they can
    molest someday.

            At least my drug habit leaves no scars.  I have the sense god gave
    me to shoot-up under my tongue but you have a hole in your head that a Mack
    truck could easily drive through.  You flushed your brains a long time ago
    and now the only thing you have going for you is a 1 and a half inch penis
    and that is when it is ready for action.     -Me