### Apollo BBS Archive - March 12, 1989

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 03:53:50

    The Ruger 22 is a well-made gun. Unfortunately, the 9mm is not nearly as
    well assembled. Perhaps it's just perceived quality -- for example, the
    slide just doesn't feel right, and the body of the gun looks like a real
    cheap casting. The Taurus PT99AF (the model that I own) is about $350,
    maybe a little less if you shop around.

    I asked Peter about JT's whereabouts yesterday. As far as he knows, he
    should be back in Washington. He says he's going to give him a call to find
    out what's going on.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap

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     1:        What about the 9mm P85 that was talked about a while ago?
     2:
     3:        Thanks for the info.  Summer is a coming and wowo.  Buy the way, it
     4:was I who logged on as Bob Thomas and Nancy Wieser.  And in Cliff's
     5:resignation letter, he said a lot more but got on later and updated it.  Bot
     6:Todd and I saw the original.  But I didn't save it because I was Bob Thomas
     7:at the time.  He just whined a lot.             -Rod

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 05:05:07

    Did Jesus use drugs? Are you refering to wine? I'm curious. Who knows with
    the crazy way the Bible is written, it just might state that He took Heroin
    or something! Ha. -=*) ANN (*=-
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     1:        Who in the hell knows what Jesus did?  The book has too many
     2:meanings to say.  At the time I made that statement I had no idea of what I
     3:was talking about.  I just said it as an attention grabber.  Only Bob took
     4:the bait and I had to come up with something, so I did.  I'm not even sure
     5:that such a person ever existed.  Susposedly it was God in the flesh.  Hmmm.
     6:                                -Rod

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 05:13:26

    Thanks for the kind words. Of course, I'm accused of being negative - but in
    my opinion, I'm just 'calling it like it is' - especially regarding the body
    and growing old. Truly, most of the time I am an 'up' person and do see all
    the good stuff in this life, but I don't play ostrich with the bad either!
    Daryl can talk all he wants to about going to those horrible nursing homes
    to cheer up the aged, but it is a terrible experience no matter how
    he covers it up with talk of being kind, considerate etc. I wonder what luck
    he has chit chatting with some one that is sitting there drooling and
    shitting their pants and looking at him with 'nothing' in their eyes! Jason,
    the Terminator, and the like are certainly more kinder in what they do to
    their victoms than life itself does to it's victoms! -=*) ANN (*=-
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     1:        Our thoughts on the good and bad of life are basically the same.  I
     2:just wanted to point out the negative to get Daryl in a tissie.  We did.
     3:        By the way, to beef up the board I have been logging in under other
     4:names.  I am Bob Thomas and Nancy Weiser.  Try it.  It is fun expressing
     5:opinions under other names.  Sortof gives a person a 'license' if you know
     6:what I mean.                    -Rod

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 12:04:08

    What kind of medical problems does Hawley have?
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     1:        Remember, I told you he has kidney stones.  They come from too much
     2:fat in his early diet.  He eats a better diet now and is trying a new
     3:medicine that is susposed to dissolve them, perhaps.  The medicine runs
     4:about $200 per month and should be continued for six months.
     5:        Side effects?  Who knows.  He is still in Costa Rica.  I hope he is
     6:doing good at the casino.
     7:        Good to see you're back.  You were missed.
     8:                                Rod

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 12:04:30

    I had to move.  I now have a new apartment, known as JFA4.
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     1:        Vat is your phone number?  Take care.

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 16:16:04

    Hawley is pretty damn young to have kidney stones.  My dad had kidney stones
    when he was 43.
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     1:        It isn't how long ago you were made, it's how many take offs' and
     2:landings you've had.  Or in James' case, how much beef fat he chomped down
     3:on.

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 16:16:19

    My phone number is (202) 659-3252.
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     1:Okay. I'll phone you some time.  Sorry I missed you at the airport.  How did
     2:the depositions go?  Are you going to win?

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2935
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/2929
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 23:59:20

    I would suspect that an atheist would be more afraid of death than a
    Christian. For, to that atheist, death (in his/her mind) culminates in total
    lack of existance after death. No more. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Am I not right
    on this? Of course I will not elaborate on what I believe will happen to
    that person, for someone will probably start whimpering and complaining
    about what a "meanie God is" and "gee, isn't God terrible?"

    Message: 2936
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/2933
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 00:01:40

    I agree. If my illness is terminal, and my NATURAL days are limited as a
    result, then let me live those days naturally, and then let me pass on to
    better things. I don't want some "well-intentioned" doctor tying me down to
    this earth when I am not supposed to be.

    Message: 2937
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/2934
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 00:03:33

    Well, let me honestly say that you left yourself WIDE OPEN on that last
    comment, and suffice to say I am not going to chomp on such easy bait. I'll
    just be tactful and sum it up in one word. *yank*

    Message: 2938
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 11:46:59

    Yeah, I was going to say, "Hey Rod, let's go take a train ride..."

    Message: 2939
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl/death
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 15:27:49

            No, not at all.  No matter what I or anyone believes does not make
    it so.  I don't know what happens at physical death.  I have no idea
    whatsoever.
            But, if there is absolutely nothing, then that would be so simple to
    handle, it ain't even funny.  Hell, if there is nothing for all of eternity
    then let me die now.  Why come in the first place.  What is the big deal?
    What is a life, especially in this place.
            I think it is entirely possible that something exists that could be
    called a Universal Mind.  In other words, it appears that in the violent
    energy that exists in the universe that some sort of intelligence has come
    about.  It exists on all planes although on this human plane the thought
    cycle is inhibited by electrical impulses passing through a heavy atmosphere
    of water vapor and that which we call flesh.  We aren't very bright in other
    words.
            But take this away and in the clear space of the cosmos this
    electrical intelligence may be more together.  Perhaps it is where all
    electrical impuses end up unless trapped in a whirling planetary system
    where it manifests itself into that which is possible, the human or other
    animal form.
            There is more relatively clear space in the cosmos than heavy matter
    so perhaps once I can free myself from this planet I will be able to have
    more fun.
            I fear that which is called death, NOT AT ALL.  I welcome it, seeing
    how I am some what of a curious adverturer.  Sometimes I can hardly wait.

    Message: 2940
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 15:30:06

            The unknown facinates me.  Besides the level of intelligence on this
    planet is, uh, well, not that hot if you know what I mean.
            But, oh, wait, let me check my Horrorscope before I say anymore.-Rod

    Message: 2941
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 15:31:22

            I would like to take a cross country train ride with you.  I'd bet
    it would be fun especially if it were through Holland.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 57500
    Author: $ Cliff Winters
    Category: In search of
    Subject: SYSOP
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 21:56:40

            I am not using this or anyother board at this time...  Burn-Out has
    taken it's toll... (7 years about) and I just can't handle it anylonger.
    The SYSOP of this board is non-other than 'SANDY SYSOP'.  If you have
    questions, please refer them to her... She is the BOSS!

            I QUIT as SYSOP...

            Bye......  Cliff Winters    03/11/89

    Message: 57501
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff Winters
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 22:24:46

    Incidentally, you keep misspelling the word "profane."

    Message: 57502          ***NOTE:  This is also me. ***
    Author: David Roe
    Category: Politics
    Subject: SYSOP
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 23:18:15

            I would very much like to have the job of running this system.  What
    does it pay?

    Message: 57503
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl/crime
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 01:39:26

            The difference between drug abuse, and child porno, murder, etc.,
    can be summed up as "consenting adults."  Child pornography and murder
    involve people that are not adults, or are not consenting, or both.  I would
    not favor legalizing drugs for children, anymore than booze is legal for
    children now.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 57504
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 01:46:56

            Of course, if you have a better source of statistics on gun uses, by
    all means, please cite it.  What source did you find that gave you figures
    on gun usage for defense versus accidental injury?

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 57505
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 04:00:39

    And who says that there's no such thing as male menopause?

    Message: 57506
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 04:03:00

    I suggest you pick up a copy of any gun magazine advertising fully automatic
    weapons for sale, and give one of the dealers a call. Or better yet, call
    Mandel's in Scottsdale. He is probably the biggest full-auto dealer in town.
    He'll clear things up for you.

    Message: 57507
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/your 3 of 3
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 05:20:09

    Super posts! Very true. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57508
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff the ex.
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 05:25:02

    I support Sandy as sysop - but you will be back! You said it your self -
    "You can't please everyone"! So why try? You have been an excellent sysop!
    Just scan the other BBSes and see what I mean. Cheer up! We love you.
                            -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57509
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 05:58:59

     If "usefull ways of dealing with crime are available", then how come the
    gangs are getting such a foothold and growing so large and dangerous, mostly
    on the profits from the sale of illegal drugs?
    Id "useful ways of dealing with crime are available", then why are there
    areas in this best of all possible countries where honest people must fear
    for their lives every time they step out of their doors?
    If "useful ways of dealing with crime are available", how come police in
    some parts of our country have to go to work in body armor?
    How come Dean?

    Message: 57510
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 06:05:02

    While I am really sorry to see you leave your post after so many years, I
    certainly understand your position. I have lived under similiar stress, and
    know the feeling well.
     While Sandy and I obviously disagree on some issues, I'm sure that there
    are many more on which we agree, but pro or con, I will certainly support
    her in the sometimes unenviable position of sysop. God bless you both.

    Message: 57511
    Author: Bob Thomas
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Body Armor
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 09:13:04

            The main reason police wear body armor is less opportunity to get
    hurt when they bully people.  They are PIGS in action.  And the newspapers
    blow stories out of proportion all the time.  If they say 1000 gang members,
    this translates into 20 gang members.  Get the picture?  Twenty gang members
    does not a story make.          -BOB

    Message: 57512
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan H.
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 11:23:24

      I didn't cite figures for gun usage as opposed to accidents, I pointed out
    that such statistics are flawed and useless because of the very nature of
    the activities involved. I have seen some studies in the past in which gun
    owners were asked if they had ever relied upon a gun for their safety in any
    way. The result was that many had and that very very few had reported it if
    they had any choice. I don't remember where or when I saw this, but it makes
    sense.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57513
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul/Bob Thomas
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 11:34:59

      I said that effective ways of dealing with crime were available, I did not
    say they were being used. Enforcing existing laws and keeping violent
    offenders off the street and in custody works, but the criminal justice
    system is not functioning effectively in this area. This is partly due to
    the prisons and jails being filled with people who are not violent offenders
    and partly due to other problems in the judicial system. Don't expect any
    relief from this as long as a doomed 'war on drugs' is our top national
    priority in law enforcement.
      Body armor saves more police officers from injury in traffic accidents
    than it does in shootings. It is probably an excellent idea for anyone who
    drives a lot as part of their job, but especially anyone who gets into the
    occasional high speed chase.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57514
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Westfall's 57469
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 12:50:35

    The Los Angeles Raiders are a football team.

    Message: 57515
    Author: Nancy Weiser
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: James Taranto
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 14:14:50

    I think I love this guy.  Many people go become cops because they have an
    inner need to be a symbol of authority.  Usually they are duds at home.  I
    know because my father is a cop.  He is a bully on the job and at home.  The
    only way to change it is to make the top cop a good person.  He reflects
    upon the entire departmental attitude.  Right now in Phoenix we have a crook
    and a mental defective as head.  My father told me this in one of his weaker
    moments.  It was while he was wearing my mothers pants.   Nancy

    Message: 57516
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David Roe/Sysop
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 15:35:36

          You ask what the pay is for being SYSOP (sis-op) of this system
    and you want the job.  Interesting.
          Well, you wouldn't become monetarily rich but you would learn
    how to spell, format, and type.  You will learn things about yourself
    that will make you a better person in the long run.  You will be able
    to correct flaws in yourself with the help of others.
          And speaking of others, this is the best part.  You will get to
    know people who, if you hadn't met, would have left your life very
    shallow, indeed.  Yes, I would say that being the SYSOP of this fine
    BBS will most definitely change your entire life, for the better.
          There is something that you acquire here that all of the money
    in the world can't touch.  You can't lose.      -Rod

    Message: 57517
    Author: Marc Elliott
    Category: For sale
    Subject: CoCo 2 system
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 19:17:52

    CoCo 2 (64K) with: disc drive, modem, speech synthesizer, joysticks,
    software and much documentation (everything!)...$ 200.00 takes it all  OR
    a remote control color tv that works and looks ok in even trade (any takers
    ??)
    Call Marc at 433-1964 (after 4:00 p.m. weekdays best).

    Message: 57518
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 19:20:35

    I'll give you 47 cents.

    Message: 57519
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 03/12/89  Time: 23:04:42

            You are too generous .........

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    Subject:Coco

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     1:        I'll bid 48 cents.  Does this include delivery & set-up?

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