### Apollo BBS Archive - April 8, 1990

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    Message: 64592
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 16:54:07

    Every life form that is on this planet or any other planet or star in the
    universe is entitled to a share of its living space by right of birth.

    Yes, I went a bit 'far out' in saying, "other planet or star in the
    universe" but I want to clarify a point that I have been trying to make.

    Suppose we could view a small planet 100 million light years from us.  The
    planet has recognizable life forms much like ours.  We are viewing it after
    a million years of their civilization has past and they too have many
    different systems of government just as we do.  In fact their planet is
    much like ours.

    Study that scenario for a moment and see if you can arrive at some of the
    same conclusions as I did.

    For one, I see that all of the people of that planet are related although
    they have lost sight of their common ancestry as is natural.

    In many of their systems there are people who team up, entire clans who
    work together in order to gain control of as much of the land area as
    possible.  The majority of the people are not aggressive and are just happy
    to live and let live yet one day they realize that the only thing they
    possess is the clothes on their back and an old television set or two.

    The basics of survival is food, liquid, and cover from the harsh elements.
    The food is now controlled by the big corporations along with land.

    When a person finds a dwelling whether they rent it by the month or make
    mortgage payments it is the same basic difference.  Both cost a person money
    and money is derived by taking part in something that takes the peak period
    of a persons life to get, over and over again until that person one day
    looks back and sees that all they have achieved is to spend most of their
    time doing something they thought as not a very fulfilling duty.

    Food is the same way.....the dwellings we are to live in do not have
    enough space for us to cultivate our food and even if they did our time is
    very limited after giving our life for the production of goods.  Even our
    children are taken away for their peak periods and are taught to add and
    subtract and prepare for jobs of production for a corporation.

    I have not watched my children starve but I feel saddened by the thought of
    the world they are growing in and what will be expected later in life.
    They too will be required by law to produce or live in the streets and
    alleys.

    Many, understandably so, flock to established organizations that teach such
    things as, 'the more you suffer now the better will be the afterlife'.
    Many people want to believe it because it makes a harsh reality look
    better and easier to take.

    I would readily concede that Capitalism has worked and is working if it
    were easy for every person to acquire a suitable cover for themselves
    without having to become moral prostitutes to a system that says in basics,
    'our duty is to own everything'.  Parker Brothers, during the depression of
    the thirties had the right idea in Monopoly.  In real life that game is
    being played and with peoples lives and livelihoods but the money is the
    same, backed by the paper it is printed on, nothing more.

    Capitalism is an evil game ran by an evil empire backed by nuclear
    warheads.  An important tool of any system is to teach the people that what
    they read in their presses is the god-honest truth while what they read in
    other system papers is propaganda.  Government backed religions use this
    tool also with quite a lot of success.

    The taxes one pays on a dwelling today is proportional to what their
    mortgage payment was thirty years ago.  Capitalism depends on profits in
    the form of rising prices.

    The many people who are unsettled, who have hawkish landlords with their
    hands out for the 'rent' on the first of the month and NOT on the second,
    are the same people who find themselves on the other side of the law.
    Many more prisons are being planned and built in order to house this
    population.  It isn't that they 'smoked a joint' or tried to find other
    suitable ways of relaxing or escaping for just a moment, it is that they do
    not have productive jobs in a corporation serving the capitalistic empire.

    Woe to the system whose prisons are full for this is the most damning
    evidence one could ask for.  But it is all overlooked by the press because
    they too need paper money to survive.  They too have children and houses
    and like to eat.  They to have landlords.

    Give to the Lord that which is the Lords and you will have a house and food
    to eat.  The elements will not harm you as long as you pray to the Lord on
    the first day of each month.

                                            Rod

    Message: 64596
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: John Cummings
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 17:07:14

    As I see it your message on Marx and human nature rings of truth.  I don't
    think, at this time, that any made up system will work.  We humans have a
    lot to work out in order to acheive a good world.

    I am not attacking Capitalism anymore than any other system that I know of.
    They, it seems, all run about the same with Government being the ruling
    class and the common person being the working class.  Survival of the
    fittest.

    Perhaps if every member of this system were to team up, so to speak, and put
    our resources together, we could start a corporation and produce a product
    that would make us ruling class.  We would need Cliff and Dean as they
    control the weaponry and could get us out of some 'jams' later on.

    NOTE:  When I said 'system' in the last paragraph I meant Apollo.

    We could then acquire land, build on it, rent or lease it out and evict
    people who didn't cough up the money on time.  (Just a joke there)

    How'se about we become international drug dealers....gee, perhaps then we
    could even become suppliers to the ruling class if we did it right.  In
    numbers there is power especially if some of those numbers are profecient at
    using weapons, eh!
    This message is half-joke, half-serious....I've got a couple thou, perhaps.

    Message: 64600
    Author: Freddy Freckles
    Category: War!
    Subject: clif
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 19:51:09

    clif is a JERK

    Message: 64601
    Author: Tom Hudson       *ME
    Category: Joke
    Subject: the last
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 20:53:23

    You mean cli is a jerk?

    Message: 64602
    Author: John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Marx/etc
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 21:57:04

    I'm dismayed and concerned that any intelligent American now could have the
    Rod Williams outlook on the world.  Maybe I've not been calling this board
    often enough, but that really concerns me.  Our system (I mean U.S., not
    only Apollo, is not only the best available in the world today, but is the
    best so far in history! And number 2 is far far behind! There are some
    homeless people, yes. There are some unfortunates, yes. But EVERYONE has the
    right and the chance to improve. And under this system, most do so. Marx and
    communism fail because they don't recognize humanity. Capitalism succeeds
    because it doesn't need to recognize humanity--it offers each person the
    ability to improve. More some other time.---John C.
    Plz excuse the typos, I'm not good at editing yet on this board.

    Message: 64603
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: One before last
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 22:59:38

    No, he meant cl

    Message: 64604
    Author: James Allison
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Game/BBS
    Date: 04/08/90  Time: 23:59:57

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    domination  of the magic-laden slopes of  a mystic  Mountain.  The
    players  are locked  in  a struggle to reach the Pyroto Pinnacle.
    Over the weeks and months, they rise higher by answering the skill
    testing questions posed by the Mountain's extraordinary Guardians.
    As they climb, they gain the ability to cast new, more powerful spells.
    But first, they have to  learn how to use them!   One careless move
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    Introducing TSOTL

    Overlooking this combat is a benign, though sometimes impatient Spirit:
    The Spirit Of The Land, known and respected as TSOTL.  He (she? it?)
    listens in on the telepathic bands and assesses the very words of the
    wizards.  If  you speak well, you  gain TSOTL's  Esteem, without  which
    you can  not ascend  to higher levels of power.

    The Pyroto Mountain BBS/Game  System is played with passion.   Be
    prepared to have a magical battle erupting from your computer!

    Message: 64605
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Who?
    Date: 04/09/90  Time: 00:24:35

    You mean

    Message: 64606
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Politics
    Subject: John
    Date: 04/09/90  Time: 00:37:16

    I see that you keep up with the press.  Do yourself a big favor and check
    out Holland.  I not only believe that our countries government is less
    fair than that country but so much so that I am taking donations to move
    there.

    The U.S. has a participatory democracy in that we the people get a choice
    of two hand-picked candidates for president.  Both are of the same basic
    party, Democrat and Republican.  Both serve big business, and both deny
    serving special interest groups which are essentially the people.

    If you actually believe that you help pick the next president then you
    believe just what you are expected to believe.

    Oh sure, Ron Paul ran on the Libertarian Party ballot last election but
    was, for the most part, ignored by all main media presses including radio
    and television.  Anyone who is not willing to serve big business does not
    stand much of a chance unless some strange grass-roots movement actually
    develops.  Barring that, look for more of the same, choice of crook number
    1 or crook number 2.  Hey, you've got a choice, don't you?

    Local elections are pretty much the same way.  Support business interests
    and find that you have supporters who can and will see that you get
    elected.  Bad mouth business and support is near zero.  Hope that you have
    millions of dollars but if you do then you are big business.

    There are many 'throwaway' people in this country.  Once you are considered
    by business to be over the hill then look forward to very substandard
    living conditions.  The programs for these people are lacking in funds
    because they are not being supported by government.

    If you have any relatives who are in government then go into the
    production of war products.  Everyone will make millions from you and you
    will do quite well yourself.
                                                    Rod