### Apollo BBS Archive - November 28, 1991

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    Message: 1977
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Kolostow
    Date: 11/28/91  Time: 19:00:13

    Then what happened? Did Cliff get struck by lightning?

    Message: 1978
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST/STRUCK
    Date: 11/28/91  Time: 23:19:29

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    Message: 1499
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/22/91  Time: 22:16:52

      If this is any~ help, I bought a Sony Diskman, used it, abused it, and
    finally sold it. All without knowing anything about alignment.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 1500
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last/Dean
    Date: 09/22/91  Time: 23:33:53

            Gee, I thought you were an expert on such things.  But I will pass
    that on to Sandy.  Some sales person I believe got her stuck on the idea
    portables need alignment, so therefore she should buy at least a two year
    service contract.   I am against such things as I never have needed anything
    fixed...

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    Message: 1501
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: CD "alignment"
    Date: 09/23/91  Time: 09:16:55

    Sounds like bull$hit to me.  I think the mechanism positions the light beam
    according to the signal that's being reflected from the disk (unlike a
    stepper motor), so I don't see what "alignment" would accomplish.

    Message: 1502
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: alignment
    Date: 09/23/91  Time: 20:57:42

    Well, if it isn't pointing straight up I guess it can have trouble.  If it
    gets dirty and doesn't move smoothly it could have trouble.  I have one of
    the very early portables and I've not had trouble with it -- took it on
    several motorcycle trips, car trips.  Had it at work.  It is now my 'home
    machine' because I'm too lazy to research a new unit.

    Message: 1503
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: CD alignment
    Date: 09/24/91  Time: 20:42:35

      I abused my Diskman a lot. I used it on everything from cars to bicycles
    to Jeeps. I bought the extra warranty with it because I knew I would be
    rough on it, but I never needed it, and wouldn't pay extra for it if I had
    it to do over again. They also make portables with better internal
    suspension now than they did when I got mine. I have seen a slightly thicker
    version of the Diskman which is designed to withstand use in a car without
    skipping.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 1504
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: car use
    Date: 09/25/91  Time: 23:06:17

    My D-5 (the original portable) runs fine in a car as long as it is on the
    floor.  If it is on the dash (too hard) or on a seat (too soft) it doesn't
    work as well.

    Message: 1505
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: alignment
    Date: 09/26/91  Time: 04:48:58

    Some CD players use a single beam laser, others use a 3 beam laser.  In the
    3 beam system, the central beam reads the data from the disc, while the
    other two beams maintain proper alignment and focus.  One would assume that
    this would be a superior system to single beam, but this has not panned out.
     It is possible that a beam weakened by being split into three is no better
    than a strong, single beam.

    I've owned two portable CD players --- a Sony D10, and my current unit, a
    Sony D555.  Given the torture they've been through, I would say that
    knocking them out of alignment is nearly impossible.  All portables mistrack
    rather easily, however.  Sony makes a car mounting device for their
    portables that incorporates fluid filled dampers --- it seems to work well.

    Message: 1506
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: I've got a
    Date: 09/26/91  Time: 10:49:19

    reason to believe we all won't be received at Graceland!

    Message: 1507
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Guess
    Date: 10/09/91  Time: 22:25:20

    What song am I humming?

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Message: 1508
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Michael/last
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 06:41:23

    Melancholy Baby! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 1509
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: MJ's A Hummer!
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 07:14:39

    > What song am I humming?

    > mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    "Dynamo Hum" (or however it's spelled)?

    Message: 1510
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: BG 1938 1/3
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 09:11:25

    I finally picked up a CD copy of Benny Goodman's famous 1938 concert in
    Carnegie Hall and am struck, on first listening, by three things.

    First is the triumph of music over technology.  This concert was recorded
    with a single microphone, hung above the stage.  The signal was then piped
    (the liner notes don't say how, but it must have been by landline) to
    Columbia's main New York studio where it was recorded to disk.

    As you might expect from a 1938 recording, there's a considerable amount of
    pop and hiss, the instruments are somewhat out of balance because they were
    not individually mic'ed, and the equalization seems to shift unpredictably
    throughout the recording.  I suspect this latter problem is caused by
    efforts to reduce especially objectionable noise in the original recording.

    Despite these problems this is widely recognized as one of the greatest
    recordings ever made.  I have to agree.

    My agreement comes, in large part, from the second factor that impressed me,
    the triumph of music over ego.

    Message: 1511
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: BG 1938 2/3
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 09:11:51

    Even with just the Benny Goodman Trio of the time, consisting of Goodman,
    Teddy Wilson at the piano, and Gene Krupa on drums, there was an enormous
    possibility of egos clashing.  Each was a major power in the jazz world and,
    of course, each later went on to lead bands of their own.  When you add
    Lionel Hampton, turning the Trio into a Quartet, there is even greater
    potential for a competitiveness that could tear the music apart.  And we
    haven't even begun to discuss the "side" players who also appeared in this
    concert, among them Count Basie, Harry James, Bobby Hackett, Johnny Hodges,
    and Lester Young.

    Such gatherings of superstars are not uncommon today, the annual Prince's
    Trust concerts in Britain come to mind, but more often than not, when Eric
    Clapton, Paul McCartney, Elton John play together, accompanied by the usual
    cadre of minor players,  the result is a mish-mash.  There is, no doubt,
    some fine playing in there, but who can hear it?

    By contrast the musicians at the 1938 concert complement each other,
    providing support and emphasis when needed, taking the spotlight when
    appropriate.  *MTV Unplugged* gives today's musicians some opportunity to
    practice this kind of music-making, but most fall far short of achieving any
    kind of notoriety, much less the kind anyone will care about half a century
    from now.

    Message: 1512
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: See-Dee
    Subject: BG 1938 3/3
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 09:12:14

    Added together, these two elements are enough to make this a truly
    remarkable recording.  In the end, however, what truly puts this recording
    over the top is, simply, Gene Krupa.  When I think of the great drummers of
    the rock era Ginger Baker (for his technique, especially with Cream), Ringo
    Starr (although not a great technician, there is a certain something in the
    Beatles's recordings that I think can be attributed to Starr) and, lately,
    Charlie Watts (for his versatility in both the rock and jazz worlds) come to
    mind.

    None of these can stand up to Krupa.  He's described in the liner notes as
    "metronomic."  And that he is, but he's also much, much more.  The anchor he
    provides for the others' solos and the ways he enhances those solos,
    sometimes seeming to actually lead the other players and direct their
    playing through subtle shifts in his own emphasis, is nothing short of
    phenomenal.  With this performance alone Krupa proves he was not merely an
    unmatched drummer, but a magnificent musician.

    This is a wonderful recording, one I wish I'd purchased years ago.

    Message: 1513
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Benny
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 10:29:54

    Wow!  That was a great review.  You sold me on it!

    Message: 1514
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Michael/answer
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 13:20:29

     MJ>>What song am I humming?
     MJ>>
     MJ>>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    The Flight of the Bumble Bee?

    Message: 1515
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: WRONG!
    Date: 10/10/91  Time: 20:13:08

    It was a legato version of "Dueling Banjos."

    Message: 1516
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mariah Carey
    Date: 10/16/91  Time: 14:14:45

    Anyone else REALLY annoyed with this high squealing pop chick?

    Message: 1517
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: The Wind
    Date: 10/17/91  Time: 06:55:08

    > Anyone else REALLY annoyed with this high squealing pop chick?

    Yes, but she's got cute buns.  I like to watch her videos with the sound
    turned off.

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    Message: 1518
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mariah Carey
    Date: 10/17/91  Time: 08:02:22

    I'm in love with Mariah. Leave her alone.

    Message: 1519
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Bill the Jerk
    Date: 10/17/91  Time: 15:12:59

    How about just putting a low-pass filter on your TV audio?

    Message: 1520
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mariah's buns
    Date: 10/17/91  Time: 17:26:07

    What buns?!  She looks like she's 13 years old!  Ohhhh, now I get it.
    That's what you guys are INto...
    :)

    Message: 1521
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: MJ's Low Pass
    Date: 10/18/91  Time: 09:29:20

    > How about just putting a low-pass filter on your TV audio?

    Cause I don't like it when she does her Satchmo impression either.

    Message: 1522
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mariah's Aged Buns
    Date: 10/18/91  Time: 09:29:40

    > What buns?!  She looks like she's 13 years old!

    She looks at least 15.  So there.

    Message: 1523
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/18/91  Time: 14:11:31

    Ok.  I give you 15, but that's stretching it.

    Message: 1524
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Koncerts
    Subject: McCartney's Oratorio
    Date: 10/31/91  Time: 17:50:57

    Anybody else see Paul McCartney's Oratorio on KAET. Impression ?
    It was quite good in places, and fell down in others. Inconsistent, I guess.
    The ending is reminiscent of Mahler. He had styles from almost every era.
    I like his modern sections. Quite good and very rhythmic --- Near the end
    you get a backdrop of a Beatles 4/4 beat against a very nice melody.

    Message: 1525
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: McC's O
    Date: 11/01/91  Time: 10:32:13

    > Anybody else see Paul McCartney's Oratorio on KAET.

    I saw "the making of" part, but got too sleepy to hang on for the actual
    piece.  I set up the VCR to record the darn thing and, in the process of
    routing a stereo signal to the VCR, forgot to set the channel correctly.  I
    got the audio, but not the video.  Haven't listened to it yet.

    It was intriguing to hear McCartney relate all the small details of his
    childhood and how they were worked into the piece:  Sunning on the grave
    markers; his father's trumpet playing; his school's motto.

    I really liked the idea of having a school "roll of honor," where alumni who
    had gone on to make a mark in the world were listed.  Every school should
    have one of those.  Or at least every school that has alumni deserving of
    being on such a roll.

    Message: 1526
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Missing Most
    Date: 11/01/91  Time: 12:47:33

    of the program. Now that I've seen and heard the oratorio, it would be
    interesting to watch the "making of".

    Message: 1527
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Bill
    Date: 11/03/91  Time: 00:24:39

    I think most colleges do have "rolls of honor".  I remember ASU having
    something like that which included...gee, can't think of any specific people
    at the moment.  Jesse Jackson?  Some actors?

    Message: 1528
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: It don't mean a
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    Message: 1528
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: It don't mean a
    Date: 11/03/91  Time: 12:48:54

    thing, if it ain't got that swing!

    Message: 1529
    Author: $ Paul Carelli
    Category: New-Release
    Subject: Primitive Tribes
    Date: 11/14/91  Time: 17:47:01

       There is a local band in Flagstaff called Primitive Tribes.  They have
    just come out with their first album, _New World Death Frenzy_.  I am
    friends with the band and so I have a couple of cassetes that I am trying to
    sell for them.  If anyone is interested in local Punk music and would like
    to listen to Flagstaff's latest craze let me know.  The tapes are $4.50
    each.

    Message: 1530
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: New-Release
    Subject: Primitive Tribes
    Date: 11/14/91  Time: 20:18:24

    Thanks we already have one.

    Have you considered trying to get Zia or some other alternative record store
    to take them (on commission, probably?)   You might ask Peter Petrisko how
    he sold his tapes.

    Message: 1531
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: New-Release
    Subject: Primitive Tribes
    Date: 11/14/91  Time: 21:37:46

    Hey!  My brother sold me one (he is the bassist and lead vocalist) for five
    bucks.  Why the discount now?!
    I thought I asked you if you knew Jeff Davis?  I suppose I should have said
    Sasha, eh?  I was thinking that they might be a good band to play at Peter's
    Gallery sometime.  Also, there is a KQ contest or something going on that I
    heard about today.  They want people to send in their "radio play" quality
    tapes.  If you talk to them before I do, you might let them know about it.
    I thought I knew you from somewhere!

    Message: 1532
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Koncerts
    Subject: Laurie Anderson
    Date: 11/14/91  Time: 21:40:34

    Me and just about all my friends are going to see the Friday night
    performance at Scottsdale Center for the Arts.  My mom is even going on
    Saturday night!  It's scary when my mom and I like the same music.  Am I
    getting old or is she just immature?

    Message: 1533
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Same Music/Jackson
    Date: 11/15/91  Time: 08:07:36

    > It's scary when my mom and I like the same music.

    This seems to happen all the time at my house, except in this case Deb and I
    are the mom and dad.

    Did anyone else catch the new Michael Jackson video last night?  I liked
    both it and the music a great deal.  And one complemented the other very
    nicely.  The sequence where all those people kept changing into other people
    had the best morphing I've ever seen.  Remarkable stuff.

    OTOH, I think the piece was weakened considerably by the solo dancing stuff
    at the end.  While there's no doubt that Jackson is one of dance's foremost
    talents, I don't see what all the glass-smashing had to do with anything.
    Just more senseless violence.

    Message: 1534
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: M.J.'s new video
    Date: 11/15/91  Time: 10:00:09

    Did anyone see Michael Jackson's new video last night called Black & White?
    It was touted as being excellent. My opinion ... in parts it was absolutely
    fantastic - the special effects were mind boggling. Michael looked terrific
    - he has obviously gained some weight and looks much better. His face looks
    like Diana Ross - but then that's what he's been trying for - but the song
    itself was nothing - no lingering melody that one can hum and some of his
    antics left us puzzled. It wasn't really dancing in parts but more violent
    movements. I'll never figure out why he 'plays' with himself! Maybe someone
    can enlighten me on that. We also never did figure out why he took a bat to
    the car's windows. The entire video was violent and I suppose had a message
    about it making no different what color your skin is - but I never got the
    message! Any comments? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 1535
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Michael Jackson Vide
    Date: 11/15/91  Time: 10:41:27

    o.
    I only saw the end where he was dancing and then turned into a black
    panther.  That part was pretty silly.  The same "Hooooooo" we've heard in
    "Bad" which was not one of my favorite parts to begin with.  MTV is playing
    it 10 times a day or something so I'm sure I will get to see it in it's
    entirety before the day is out.

    Message: 1536
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mom's music
    Date: 11/15/91  Time: 10:42:49

    The first shocker was when I found out my mom liked to listen to KQ.  She
    even thinks my brother's band, Primitive Tribe, sounds good.  The fact that
    she isn't revolted by punk at age 48 is pretty scary in itself!

    Message: 1537
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Nick on video
    Date: 11/16/91  Time: 08:49:31

    In this morning's paper - on the front page was an article about that video.
    Michael appologized for it - mainly the masterbation and the violence and it
    has now been cut out. Soon, you will not be able to see the original.
    I guess the switchboards were lit up like a Xmas tree after it played for
    the first time with complaints about the above. I am no prude and certainly
    believe that there should be very little censureship - but he has a great
    following of children and I don't feel this video should be seen without
    parental consent. I wouldn't want my 6 year old seeing it - mainly because
    of the violence! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    The original should have been kept intact ALSO and shown later at night for
    those that want to see such things.
    My opinion - the violence and masterbation were not entertaining, classy or
    attractive. And it certainly wasn't dancing, nor was it a listenable song.
    No one moves like Michael, but he should have watched a few of his moves in
    this one.

    Message: 1538
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Video
    Date: 11/16/91  Time: 22:33:37

    After watching it completely I have come to a few conclusions.  First, the
    song is just sort of regular pop.  No big deal.  The beginning seemed out of
    place, just an excuse to use the kid from _Home Alone_ and "Norm" from
    "Cheers".  Also, the kids said "eat my shorts" which seemed pretty rude and
    unlike Michael Jackson's other videos.  The best part about the video was
    the computer generated transformation sequences.  The dancing during the
    video was ok, nothing I haven't seen from him before.  The ending dance
    sequence didn't make any sence.  By the way, I didn't think the crotch
    grabbing stuff was masturbatory, just a dance move that he and Madonna do
    frequently.  The ending smashing of glass and dancing a capella had nothing
    to do with the song, the beginning of the video, and didn't really stand on
    it's own as a statement since no one seems to know what the heck he is
    trying to say!  The screams, mixed with the panther sounds, seemed to be
    parallaling the video transformations in the way you could hear the human
    screams and then the animal scream mixed in and then taking over the audio
    at the end.  I also read the article in the paper this morning and Michael's
    answer about the ending is that his violence was symbolic to the animal like
    nature of a panther.  Ok, but what the heck does that have to do with the
    video or song?!  Overall, the whole thing has been hyped to death.  It's an
    ok song, the video that will remain from the long version will be shown on
    MTV for a few months and then disappear (my prediction) and this album will
    not out sell his previous one.  Michael Jackson is on the way out, I'm
    afraid (well, for him I am afraid.  I don't really mind).
    Unless he comes forward with any revelations about his family, I see him

    Message: 1539
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Con't
    Date: 11/16/91  Time: 22:34:23

    dying a young death, starvation perhaps, being buried with his pet monkey.

    Message: 1540
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Melissa on Michael
    Date: 11/18/91  Time: 10:16:05

    I agree with your posts - but not about Michael fading into the sunset. I
    think he will be around for years. He still has talent coming out his ears!

    As far as his movements 'not being masterbatory' - how you figure that when
    he zipped up his fly? It was very obvious to the 5 people that watched it at
    my house! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 1541
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: out of my ears
    Date: 11/18/91  Time: 12:55:36

    Thank you!

    Message: 1542
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Jackson
    Date: 11/18/91  Time: 20:13:39

    Well, I think the movements were suggestive but not masturbatory.  Zipping
    up his fly?  I took that as just a funny move.  I mean, Madonna difinately
    simulates masturbating on stage.  Maybe Michael's just wasn't as obvious.  I
    guess unless I see it coming out his ears, I don't think it's real.

    Message: 1543
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Madonna
    Date: 11/19/91  Time: 04:31:56

    According to some well-placed sources, Madonna is much shorter than she
    appears to be on film, and has zits.

    Message: 1544
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Michael's video
    Date: 11/19/91  Time: 07:29:04

    They took out the pather sequence. What a shame. That was breath taking when
    he turned into a panther. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 1545
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/19/91  Time: 22:43:31

    Is the cut version out already?  I wonder if they knew they would have to
    tame it down and had the G rated version done already.  Reminds me of the
    New Coke ploy.

    Message: 1546
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Melissa/last
    Date: 11/21/91  Time: 09:43:09

    Come to think of it - what better advertising for that video than to cut out
    part of it! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 1547
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mercury
    Date: 11/25/91  Time: 20:33:27

    The last thing I want to do is to drag the AIDS topic into yet another
    forum, but I was sorry to hear that we've lost Freddie Mercury.  I bought
    another Queen album today in his honor.

    I have a few already.  I think my favorite is "A Day at the Races" (which
    Jane bought for me).  I had to agree with the (probably tongue-in-cheek)
    album-cover comment on "Tie Your Mother Down":

         "Sheer bloody poetry" -- *The Times*

    Message: 1548
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/26/91  Time: 07:47:50

    "A Night at the Opera" is mine, but "Day at the Races" is a close second.
    The sound of both is somewhat similar.

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    Message: 80078
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bo Dog #80058
    Date: 11/28/91  Time: 18:51:49

    Well, I didn't have time to go through the last 200 messages, so I onlly
    read the last 20 or so. I *thought* Matlock was Mark Adkins--his use of the
    term "self aggrandizement" gave him away. Thornbob turned into a cat? He
    never seemed the cutesy-name type...

    Message: 80079
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: latest
    Date: 11/28/91  Time: 18:57:33

    Hey, thanks Catbob! I will be going away again real soon, for your
    satisfaction. ROD, your posts are still as groovy as ever. I really like
    that saying, "If you believe in forever, then life is just a one-night
    stand." Something to think about...sometimes!

    Message: 80080
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Politics
    Subject: CARTER/AIDS
    Date: 11/28/91  Time: 23:49:44

         Regardless of its origins, the HIV virus has spread to the heterosexual
    community.  Dwelling on the origin of any disease is counterproductive and
    pointless.  In this case, the only thing you'll accomplish is inflaming
    people.  (No pun intended).
         What are you trying to get at?  My guess would be:

    1) Due to the origins of AIDS we should do nothing to find a cure.
    Homosexuals and drug users, by their very nature, deserve nothing less than
    a slow, painful death.

    2)  The spread of AIDS to the heterosexual community is part of vast global
    conspiracy perpetrated by spiteful gays.

         Is your hatred of homosexuals so great that you're blinded to the fact
    there is a face behind every AIDS statistic?  If we took your "they brought
    it upon themselves" mentality to its logical conclusion we'd also have to
    turn our backs on alcoholics, teenagers with unwanted pregnancies and others
    who have fallen by the wayside due to bad judgement calls.  Is the solution
    to ostracize those who fall well below our society's definition of
    "productive"?
          I saw no possible solutions offered.  Only rehash.  Do we really have
    the time to rehash the past?

    Message: 80081
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: In search of
    Subject: WELFARE
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 00:05:00

         What do you people think about able-bodied individuals who collect
    welfare every month going back a generation?
         I read an article in the Republic this week about one state's solution.
     Basically the total amount of the welfare check is lowered and families can
    then earn "bonuses" as long as the children are in school and are receiving
    proper medical attention.
         I think this program is a good start.  Call me crazy but I'd go so far
    as to say any able-bodied welfare recipient should be required to perform
    volunteer work for so many hours per week.  (Three hours a day, five days a
    week for example).  Highway repair, garbage scavenging, building repair,
    etc.  A national "self help" program that would benefit the entire nation.
         Any comments, alternate solutions, etc. are more than welcome.

    Message: 80082
    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Green/Aids Test
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 00:31:26

    RE: "should I insist that my partner gets tested for AIDS with a mandatory 6
    month waiting priod?"

    Not a bad idea(is this the correct word or is it ideal)! But tought to do if
    you are suppose to trust the person you are going to marry.

                             <<< Joe >>>

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     1:Right Peter, a solution needs to be worked out and implimented.  I would
     2:think a decent start would be for the receipients in each area to create a
     3:center for child care, etc.  It could be the Switchboard of that community.
     4:There could be a big kitchen for feeding the children, both large and small.
     5:The mothers could take turns teaching the children about life as viewed from
     6:their personal perspective.
     7:
     8:I can see a scheme that could work, it is in my head but to even try to get
     9:it together would cause many people to scream communism.  Whatever the 'bad'
    10:system is at the time, it is always the one you are accused of mimicking.
    11:
    12:I would give this name to the system:  BROTHER & SISTERHOOD.
    13:
    14:There would be no money because there would be no need for it and if someone
    15:was given some they would use it for compost.
    16:
    17:There would be no churches because the whole of the earth and all passengers
    18:therein and thereon would be a giant church, so to speak.
    19:
    20:There would be CD players though, and beyond.
    21:
    22:Receiving welfare has a certain amount of degrade-eness to it.  I'm sure the
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     1:I think that a person should be tested for AIDS every week.  In that way,
     2:everytime you give blood, the needle that punctures your vessels is more
     3:likely to give you AIDS
     4:
     5:The above was written backwards
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     1:Remember this:  The more often a person is tested for AIDS, by a nurse with
     2:end

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     2:made to slide into an artery in your body, the more chance you have of
     3:testing positive for the HIV virus or other maladies.
     4:
     5:This procedure is usually done in a hospital, a building that is full of
     6:'weird' germs.  No thanks.  Nor would I like it in a doctors office where
     7:there lurks in every dark corner something scary.
     8:
     9:Nor in a beautiful stream in a mountainous region, surrounded by nature.
    10:
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    Message: 80081
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: In search of
    Subject: WELFARE
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 00:05:00

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    Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
    Category: Answer!
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    Message: 80083
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: WELFARE AIDS
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 02:37:09

    Right Peter, a solution needs to be worked out and implimented.  I would
    think a decent start would be for the receipients in each area to create a
    center for child care, etc.  It could be the Switchboard of that community.
    There could be a big kitchen for feeding the children, both large and small.
    The mothers could take turns teaching the children about life as viewed from
    their personal perspective.

    I can see a scheme that could work, it is in my head but to even try to get
    it together would cause many people to scream communism.  Whatever the 'bad'
    system is at the time, it is always the one you are accused of mimicking.

    I would give this name to the system:  BROTHER & SISTERHOOD.

    There would be no money because there would be no need for it and if someone
    was given some they would use it for compost.

    There would be no churches because the whole of the earth and all passengers
    therein and thereon would be a giant church, so to speak.

    There would be CD players though, and beyond.

    Receiving welfare has a certain amount of degrade-eness to it.  I'm sure the
    people would like a change of lifestyle for the better.  But then again, the
    paranoid would feel they were being herded to a concentration camp and they

    Message: 80084
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 02:38:31

    may be right, depending on what the administration is like.

    Message: 80085
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AIDS testing
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 02:47:17

    The more often a person is tested for AIDS or anything where a needle is
    made to slide into an artery in your body, the more chance you have of
    testing positive for the HIV virus or other maladies.

    This procedure is usually done in a hospital, a building that is full of
    'weird' germs.  No thanks.  Nor would I like it in a doctors office where
    there lurks in every dark corner something scary.

    Nor in a beautiful stream in a mountainous region, surrounded by nature.

    Rod

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    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 11/29/91  Time: 02:48:10

    I love you.

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    Message: 1547
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Mercury
    Date: 11/25/91  Time: 20:33:27

    The last thing I want to do is to drag the AIDS topic into yet another
    forum, but I was sorry to hear that we've lost Freddie Mercury.  I bought
    another Queen album today in his honor.

    I have a few already.  I think my favorite is "A Day at the Races" (which
    Jane bought for me).  I had to agree with the (probably tongue-in-cheek)
    album-cover comment on "Tie Your Mother Down":

         "Sheer bloody poetry" -- *The Times*
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    Message: 1548
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit-Chat & Sing
    Subject: Last
    Date: 11/26/91  Time: 07:47:50

    "A Night at the Opera" is mine, but "Day at the Races" is a close second.
    The sound of both is somewhat similar.

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     1:Get use to big names dying from AIDS.  It is the thing to do.
     2:
     3:I recently got a Frontier AM/FM CD, car radio.  It was distributed by a
     4:company in California and is made in Korea?
     5:
     6:It was given to me by a client of about ten years.  The CD part did not work
     7:but when I got home, I took the top cover off and lubriplated all the
     8:'slider' areas and plastic gears then it began accepting disks.
     9:
    10:This is a good place.
    11:end

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