### Apollo BBS Archive - May 6, 1991

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    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 07:15:58

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    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 17:59:13

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    Hey!  Stick around!  You pop up just long enough to post
    some tantalizing ideas then you disappear for days!  I'm
    currently reading "The Peoples' History of The United
    States."  You'd love it.  I'll probably post some of it
    later.  Hey, eat the rich and remember: property *is* theft.

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     1:Thanks for the intriging letter.  I have been very busy these past months
     2:but now you know how I felt about your long absence.
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     4:I'm afraid that my posts go over many heads, as does yours.  You were the
     5:person that turned me onto Noam Chomsky.  Thank you.
     6:
     7:Yes, property IS theft.
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     9:I'll do some more posts and see if the GESTAPO cracks down on me again.
    10:
    11:Life is not a destination, it's a journey.  Rod
    12:end

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    Message: 74909
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Barbarian
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 05:57:46

    Oh, so if your kid drowned, you would KILL Ann?  Not too wise.  Why didn't
    *YOU* teach the kid to swim?  And who was supposed to watch the child?
    Personally, I think that a lot of these rules create a fire hazard.  If the
    front of the house is on fire, and the windows will only go up 4 inches.
    And of course the back door HAS to have a double side deadbolt...

    Dangerous.

    Message: 74910
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 06:10:52

    "Don't let your morals get in the way of the needs of others to do things in
    privacy which have no bearing on parties not participating." B. Dog.
     OK. Fine. Then let's get back to the real subject at hand, drugs. The above
    quote more or less accurately reflects your feelings on the use of illegal
    drugs as well as other "private" matters, correct?
     At the risk of redundancy, then, consider the victims of the drug trade.
    Consider the non-participating people whose property is violated and whose
    lives are shattered by drug users who rob, steel, burgle and kill to get
    their next dose of garbage. If you don't believe that these good folks
    exist, I suggest that you begin reading police reports, and learn how much
    of our crime rate is drug related. Consider also, if you will, the kids who
    are coerced into using drugs as early as the fourth and fifth grades, those
    very vulnerable ages at which many, many of our children begin a long term
    addiction, thanks to some junkie with no morals at all who would not think
    twice abot getting somebody's son or daughter startes down the road to
    addiction. These, too, are victims.  Until somebody sold them "good
    feelings", they, too, were not participating. I could go on and on about non
    participating victims of the drug scourge, but I think you get the idea by
    now, or you never will.
     All of the pro drug arguments fall apart in the face of the wreckage that
    is on the road to drug abuse.

    Message: 74911
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie on costs
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 06:14:41

     I have no idea what drugs cost, either, dearie. I was merely making the
    point that, if the junkie has no money at all (since most of them aren't
    exactly the steady, regular job pillars of society), it doesn't matter what
    the stuff costs. What matter does it make if someone gets mugged for 50
    cents or for $100? The lumps are the same. OK?

    Message: 74912
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/solutions
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 06:21:59

     There are no real 100% solutions to the drug problem, Ann, just as there
    are no real solutions to the DUI problem.
     Taking a realistic look at the other side of the legalization coin might
    shed a little light, though.
     How about we quit pussyfooting around with the drug lords and middle men,
    and start using the ultimate, capitol punishment, on those fond guilty of
    selling the stuff, either wholesale or retail? That's right! How about one
    trial and then the gas chamber? Not only would is resolve a lot of the
    overcrowding in our prisons, but it would surely make any potential dealers
    think twice before continuing his business, and would certainly resolve any
    recidivism problem with those executed.
     I'm not kidding. THere are so many deaths connected with the drug trade
    every year that a very real connection could be made between the sale of the
    drugs and the deaths to warrant a murder charge.
     The slap on the wrist or relatively short jail terms given for posession
    and/or sale these days is hardly a deterrent compared with the potential
    profits. A trip to the gas chamber, however, would be a different story.

    Message: 74913
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Master @ Arms Speaks
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 07:27:29

            Wild Barbarian, Cliff already said it, but I wish to echo his
    remarks.
            You will never have a problem here on Apollo so long as you make
    your case WITHOUT demeaning another user.  This is done not to protect the
    tender sensitivities of others, but to encourage all to participate; to
    encourage users who might otherwise be bullied in silence to get involved.
            The usual procedure in a case such as this is to ask for an
    APOLLOgy.  I strongly recommend you offer such immediately.
            Thanks.

    Message: 74914
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: capital punishment
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 09:26:28

    Depending on what they sell, they already face capital punishment in a
    certain extent, except at the hands of other criminals, and that doesn't
    seem to scare them much.

    Message: 74915
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: your views
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 11:04:26

    on the legalization of drugs are about as wrong as can be.  I seriously
    doubt that it would "pull the carpet" out of anything.  Might reduce it a
    little, but you still would have a lot of crime connected with the use of
    drugs.  No one will ever convince we that drug use should be legalized.
    Drugs are just plain damaging to the human body.

    Message: 74916
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Baby
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 11:45:57

    Hi sweetheart. Welcome back. Hope yu stick around. Your 'level headed -
    bring um down to earth' posts are missed - at least by me. XXOO
                        *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74917
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Wild
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 11:47:48

    Trouble is - we don't know who he called dumb because he doesn't indicte who
    he's talking to when he puts in the subject matter. Of course, I'm sure he
    called everyone else dumb but me. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                           *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74918
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James H. on Wild
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 11:49:33

    Remind me not to invite Wild and his kid over to my pool! Ohhhhh Nooooo! Not
    over here! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 74919
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley on solutions
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 11:58:27

    I could agree with your solutions, but however, I think we'd have a
    chance of getting it legalized, which is very 'iffy', quicker than clamping
    down on the criminal element. Why? Ok, how are you going to put someone to
    death that makes money off of drugs - he doesn't kill anyone. (at least that
    we know of)???? The drug dealers/pushers are in it for the profit. You can't
    put a person to death for making money can you? Or can you? Would the
    'bleeding hearts let you? (clamp down - be un-merciful??)
                          *>>> ANN O. <<<*
    P/S. We must remember that the dealers sell to people that want it! Who's
    fault is the drug problem - the dealer or users?? Do we put them all in
    prison - to death? You've got to think of these things if you crack down
    like you suggested you know.

    Message: 74920
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: Users
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 14:42:20

      It as a fallacy to say that most drug users are habitual criminals in any
    other sense than the violation of drug laws themselves. All it takes is a
    simple honest look at the amount of drugs being consumed in this country to
    see that the great majority of it is paid for and used by people who are
    productive, not criminal parasites. I think a person would have to living in
    a state of denial to not recognize that many of the normal, functioning
    people around them and in their acquaintance are drug users.
      If the massive flow of drugs into this country were all for the
    consumption of thieves there wouldn't be enough people left to produce
    anything for the thieves to steal. Reducing the cost of drugs by eliminating
    the huge waste of money and effort on both sides of the law would not result
    in simply a smaller amount of money being stolen by criminals who use drugs,
    it would result in a smaller percentage of income being siphoned off from
    the non-criminal drug user and the taxpayer alike.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 74921
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: They Don't Drip Now!
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 17:52:38

    The High Court of Hong Kong awarded Lee Wun, 69, more than
    $100,000 in January after he suffered brain damage from
    being hit by a truck.  He has experienced an uncontrollable
    urge to turn on faucets, and part of the award was to cover
    his mounting water bills.

    Message: 74922
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 21:41:04

    Ok.  Next question.  How did Cain and Abel sire offspring?

    Message: 74923
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/drugs again
    Date: 05/05/91  Time: 21:52:29

    Crime, child drug usage, all of this would drop to very low levels if drugs
    were legalized and available without criminal acts.  Prices would drop as
    supply increased (since it would no longer be contraband, huge shipments
    would no longer get waylaid...) -- and without a high profit margin, it is
    unlikely that kids would be major targets of salesman.

    Just look at the situation during Prohibition.  And look at the situation
    now with respect to alcohol.  Gee, still lots of crime involved!

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     1:Thanks......and by the way, a quarter ounce of marijuana runs in the
     2:neighborhood of $25 give or take five dollars.  Of course this price is for
     3:the common Mexican varieties which are so plentiful.  If you want some
     4:Humbolt county sinsemilla then you're probably looking at $50 to $100 for
     5:the same amount.
     6:
     7:                                       Rod
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     1:Anyway you look at it from a bibical standpoint there is incest involved.
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