### Apollo BBS Archive - October 13, 1988

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    Message: 4481
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Kars / Automotive
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 01:01:35

    Yeah I know what you mean...  My sister just bought an 85 chevy half ton
    with that 4.3L Vortec V-6, Turbo 400 (factory in a half ton!) and a 3.42:1
    gear ration, WE ARE TALKING SMOKE GOING INTO *AND* AFTER 2ND GEAR!!  That
    V-6 with a standard 4bbl Rochester is one SCREAMIN' Machine!!!!  You
    probably have Fuel Injection right?  If you do, how do you like it?  I'll
    stand by 'MY' GMC anyday also.  I have an 18,000 GVW (Gross Vehicle Weight)
    tansmission cooler on P/U, possability of tranny damage due to heat is 0%!

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     1:        I have a very cheap radio in my vehicle.  It has an 8 track tape
     2:player.  I think it is a Kraco system.
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    Message: 4483
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Kars / Automotive
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 02:55:26

    I'm thinking about trading in for a Vega Nomad wagon.

    Message: 4484
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Kars / Automotive
    Subject: Blazers
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 02:58:33

    I owned an '84 Blazer with the 2.8 V6. Courtesy Chevrolet had the pleasure
    of removing the engine twice. They replaced a total of two rear main seals,
    one crankshaft, and two head gaskets during the warranty period.

    Message: 4485
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: CHRIS
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:51:49

    Re: a Corvette not being a Chevy --- that's like saying Arnie is just a man!
    Hahahaha *::=ANN=::*
    P.S. Re: Nick's vehicle - forget it. He won't tell you what he's got. He
    just brags a lot and challenges a lot. I think Rod is right - Nick has a
    Pinto Station wagon and doesn't want anyone to know!

    Message: 4486
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/Nick
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 11:52:14

    He probably has some 'ol beat up up pinto wagon with a 2300cc L-4 and an
    automatic!!  If he won't talk about, it must be a lode!

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    Message: 4487
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Kars / Automotive
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 17:10:48

            No, Nick's car is nice.  He has an add on steering wheel in black
    leather and he replaced the automatic transmission with a four speed and a
    Hurst Shifter.  It is really nice but you have to keep the windows down
    because of the hole around the shifter.  It goes fast.
                                    Rod
    P.S.  Nick, the Vega's are nice but I like the Pinto better.
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    Message: 1064
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: poor attempts
    Date: 10/12/88  Time: 23:08:45

    There once was a man from Nantucket
    He used to deliver mail from a bucket
    Paul was his name
    Self-righteous indignation was his game
    Until Cliff told him to ...

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    Message: 1065
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Toddy/last
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:55:47

    That was the filthiest poem I ever read. And you - a nice clean cut Morman
    guy thinking about such words!! *::=ANN=::*
    P.S. To spice up this board, why not tell us, in detail, why Paul doens't
    like you? Heh heh heh.

    Message: 1066
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Intro....
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 12:26:08

            The next doodle is for anyone out there who feels the need to use
    it......

    Message: 1067
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Doodle
    Subject: For Big Mouth ...
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 12:27:07

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    Message: 2129
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
    Subject: Carter
    Date: 10/12/88  Time: 23:28:39

    Please stop rambling and raving

    Message: 2130
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Carter
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 00:05:21

    I believe a proposal of disarmament of a large part of the nuclear arsenal
    is plausible.  Continued proliferation of nuclear weapons by the superpowers
    serves no useful purpose, and verification of reductions of certain types of
    weapons (such as fixed ICBMs) is possible.

    Message: 2131
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Peace and U Assholes
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 01:08:46

    I look at it this way.....   We have peace now.....  Now body is trying to
    blow your head off when you walk out your front door!!!   Yes we have
    terorists(sp) like Khadafy and the Iranians but just think if THEY KNEW we
    had no nukes!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They would be crawling up your ASSHOLES first
    thing tommorrow morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WANT
    DISSARMORMENT SO *******THEY******* CAN RULE THE WORLD...  In my book...

    NEVER GIVE A TWO FACED SHIT SUCKING SIBERIAN DUCK FUCKER WAHT HE WANTS!!

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    Message: 2132
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Peace Chickens
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 02:23:31

          Is it better to have lived and died for something than just
    lived and died for an ordinary lifestyle?  Face it, our death day is
    here now.  Even if each of us lived to be 150, that is essentially
    nothing in eternity.  It will come as if it is later today so why not
    make use of a life instead of hiding in the shadows?

          Wouldn't it be better to have died for the cause of peace than
    to die with the thoughts of prejudice and war in your mind?  History
    never remembers the mundane people, only the givers.  John Lennon will
    be remembered for thousands of years while Lee Harvey Oswald will
    leave a bad taste in the throats of people everywhere.

          There are tombstones everywhere of ordinary people who led their
    safe, ordinary lives.  Many more are added each and every day.  If you
    could visualize the rising sun sweeping across the earth, you could
    perceive holes being dug in the ground for yet another ordinary
    corpse.  Ours will be one of them, sooner than we think.

          If we gave up our weapons of destruction for the cause of world
    peace and if we failed now in our endeavor and were killed because of
    it, our death would take on a meaning, a real meaning and we would be
    remembered in history and we would be planting a seed for future
    mankind.  Remember, all we have to lose is our flesh and baby, that's
    gone anyway.  Either way we all must become maggot fodder....be brave.

    Message: 2133
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Chris/Peace
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 02:25:07

            You say we have peace now and that it is also safe to walk out our
    door in safety?  What planet are you logging on from?

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    Message: 1573
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 00:07:12

    What, is that what they show just before they go off the air?

    Message: 2134
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Kliff's "273"
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 03:10:29

    So, you think that piece of junk is going to beat me? While you're
    jerry-rigging mid '60s technology (I know, "It got us to the moon, didn't
    it?"), I'll be installing a new PROM, calibrating the TPS, installing a new
    exhaust system, and enlarging the throttle body. You'll spend a couple of
    days trying to get rid of the flat spot -- changing jets, metering rods,
    setting floats, and secondary springs. I'll let my computer compensate
    automatically for the changes I've made. Some people never learn...

    Message: 2135
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Neal
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 10:58:19

    Please produce evidence that Khadafy and Iran want nuclear disarmament.
    The U.S. bombing of Libya did not use nuclear weapons, and it appears to
    have been a pretty effective deterrent.

    Message: 2136
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Re-BuTTal
    Subject: Rod/Peace
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 11:55:57

    Our chances our alot better than in Lybia, Iran, Iraq, Lebennon, Red China,
    Cuba, and all of those other warring places!!!!!

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    Message: 2137
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: J. Lippard
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 12:00:14

    What I am saying is in the long run that is what they want, if the USA and
    the USSR sign 110% dissarmament treaties, Lybia, Iran, Irag, Lebbennon, Cuba
    and Cuba will have OPEN SEASON ON THE USA! *NOT* the USSR because all of the
    Commie/Terrorist countries have enough brains to know that atleast Russia
    lied about being 110% dissarmed...

    If you want to trust'em, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM... (The Country itself on
    thier land)

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    Message: 2138
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Chris/last
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 17:15:17

            Yes, that is what we are told.  By the way, if you were born in one
    of the countries you mentioned, you'd be having the same argument by
    sticking up for your homeland.  We learn to think that our school is the
    best, our city is the best, our state, our nation.  Just some of the things
    we are taught.  Isn't that nice?
                                            Rod
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    Message: 54617
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/12/88  Time: 23:04:31

    Shut up, you athiest slimeball.

    Message: 54618
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 02:28:03

            Now that's better.  Direct you energies to the heathen, not
    brethren.

    Message: 54619
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 05:20:35

    Okay, now it's your turn to listen up while I answer all those "points" you
    made that you claim I never addressed, even though I have, many times, or
    else feel no need to since my real feelings should have been obvious.
    1. What do I have "against" the rich? Probably your concept of them, and the
    fact that you ignore the fact that, whenever they are in power, middle
    America suffers. Nobody in recent history, including MISTER Reagan has
    worked for a dollar a year, but the fact is that those in that little club
    seem to do very well at taking care of their own with little regard for
    anyone else. Sure, Reagan can point to a low unemployment figure and say
    "Look how well I am caring for the little guy",when all he has done is
    provide ways for big business to shaft the employees by creating part-time
    jobs, or minimum wage jobs that are barely enough to disqualify them for
    assistance, but not nearly enough to support their families. He also
    discounts those who have been out of work for so long that they no longer
    qualify for unemployment, many of whom become the homeless he refuses to
    acknowledge even exist. These are the problems inherent with the ruling
    class in the good old USA, and if you don't think there is one, you are more
    than blind, my friend.
     Secondly, you accuse me of nt attending GTs because of Rod Williams and
    Todd Reese, and you know that is a d**n lie! I have had Apollo GTs at my
    home, and Todd and I sat in my living room and discussed many things in a
    friendly atmosphere, and, if we could leave our religious differences aside,
    I believe we still could. As to Rod, I think that some of his opinions and
    attitudes are objectionable, but still consider him a friend to this day.

    The fact is that YOU have had much more to say in a derogatory fashion to
    Rod over the years than I have. If you really do keep all the old posts,
    (you must have quite a storage problem!), look them over and you'll see the
    truth in that statement. If you are referring to the GTs I have missed over
    the last few years, you are more ghoulish and inconsiderate and unfeeling
    than anyone else on this BBS, for I told you personally after losing my wife
    in such a tragic way that nothing in my life was the same any more, and that
    my priorities had changed drastically. Even though I have remarrried and am
    relatively happy, there are still many areas that are scarred and a part of
    my past that still live with me. Actually, there are a lot of places I don't
    go anymore. That aside, I have been to one Apollo GT, if you recall, one
    that Rod attended, albeit late, and I made it a point to stop by his seat on
    my way out and shake his hand. Sure sounds like I really try toavoid him,
    doesn't it?
     As to my more recent problems with James White, I really feel no need or
    obligation to explain them to you, since the real reason for my actions are
    none of your business. Suffice it to say that, in your abysmal ignorance of
    the situation, you have again misinterpreted my reasoning or intentions.
    As to your more recent expletives, written when by your own admission you
    were "drunk as a skunk", it is impossible for a platform (or any inanimate
    object) to be so described. It then is obvious that you were referring to
    PEOPLE, not a thing (platform). Your reluctance to admit your wrong is proof
    of your monumental ego and self-appointment to the position of Mr. Perfect.
    Now those are just a few of the REAL facts. One more and I'm done, for now.

    Finally, you drag up the age old argument that has made the rounds of this
    BBS more times than probably any other, namely homosexuality.
    In one thing, you are absolutely correct. I have referred to homosexuals in
    very derogatory terms, since I refuse to recognize them as "gays", a word
    that has been abused in this area more than any other word in the English
    language. THere is absolutely nothing gay (happy, joyful, gleeful, etc.)
    aboabout being queer. I will readily admit to referring to them as fags,
    queers, dykes, and any other insulting term that I can drum up, but what is
    more important than the names I choose is the one that God chose years ago,
    when He called them an abomination before Him, and condemned those who
    practice such things and who take pleasure in them who practice them to an
    eternity in hell.
     Yes, Cliff, I remember those who tried to pass themselves off as Homosexual
    Christians, and I remember pointing them to Romans, chapter 1, which clearly
    states that there can be no such thing, a charge to which they can never
    respond, because it is an absolute truth that can not be whitewashed by
    anything they can twist to their liking. I condemn nobody Cliff. As to the
    homos, I don't have to. God already has done that, and to say so has nothing
    to do with self-righteousness. To ignore the Word of God in this area is to
    put Him to shame. Go for it if you wish, but not at my expense.
    Any other areas you feel I haven't addressed adequately? If not, let's go on
    to better things, since others on the BBS are becoming concerned for our
    welfare.

    Message: 54622
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Cliff & Paul
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:16:17

    Gee I saw Cliff and Paul having coffee this morning and they were holding
    hands. I guess all is well.

    Give them guns and let them shoot each other , that will be the end of war.

    Also I will VOTE for DUKE. He will wag his tail and not his tounge, fr DUKE
    ismy dog and the better of the others.

    Message: 54623
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/ the ZONE!
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:32:34

    If you go into the Zone, I'll bet you take Sandy with you to keep you
    company. Heh heh heh *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54624
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff #54609
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:34:09

    Does that post mean that you and Paul are gonn kiss and make up after the
    election is over? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54625
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/grandmother
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:40:52

    Yes, I was impressed at what she did. Trouble is - a lot of people do that
    yearly, but the press does not report it. Just because she was a elderly
    woman and grandmother was the reason they did this time. I still am at a
    loss as to why they got charged with trasspassing?! If protesting is a
    Constitutional right, how can they arrest them for being there? Of course,
    they may have caused trouble, I don't know. Another question - if protesting
    is a C. right, how come they have to get a permit to do so - which, of
    course, can be denied? See you later *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54626
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Speaking of the law.
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:43:40

    If any one of you cut your hair - even just trimmed it - you are braking a
    law in Arizona! It IS against the law to cut your own hair. Alright
    everybody -- turn yourselves in and be good citizens and don't let it happen
    again! Jeeze! *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54627
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: DEBATE
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 09:40:30

         On Friday night, KAET (Ch. 8) will televise a debate between the
    candidates for U.S. Senator.  Mr. DeConcini has refused to participate.
    Appearing will be Republican Keith DeGreen, the Libertarian candidate (whose
    name has slipped my mind), and New Alliance candidate Ed Finkelstein.
         Finkelstein has made claims that DeConcini profited from insider info
    when buying some Arizona real estate.  Knowing Ed, he probably has also
    published quite a bit of expose-style material in his paper, The Tucson
    Examiner.  DeConcini has denied these claims, yet refuses to appear in the
    debate and refute them once and for all.  Maybe he does have something to
    hide, I don't know.  Anyway, it should be interesting, and will give people
    the chance to hear ideas other than those coming from the big two.
    (Or, in this case, the big one since DeConcini chickened out.)

    Message: 54628
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 12:05:10

    I thought you said that you weren't going to waste your time answering
    anymore of Cliffs posts, and here you are doing it again...

    Can't get that last word?

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    Message: 54629
    Author: Robert Simpson
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 16:50:11

         "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
    Do not be deceived:  Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
    aldulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual OFFENDERS nor thieves nor
    the greedy nor the drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the
    kindgom of God.  And that is what some of you were.  But you were washed,
    you were sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit
    of our God."  -- 1 Cor 9-11  (caps inserted)

         That plainly states that only those who have committed homosexual acts
    are condemned to hell.  It also says that those who have may
    repent--therefore making it possible for there to be Christian homosexuals.
    (provided they commit no homosexual acts once turning their lives to God)

    Message: 54630
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 17:20:26

            If the protestors blocked an entrance and interfered with people
    passing then they broke the law.  I really don't know what happened.
            I am not guilty of cutting my own hair since I haven't had a haircut
    since May, 1969 and that was in a licensed shop.  I am innocent.
                                    Rod

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     1:        You have both backslid.  For shame.
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    Message: 389
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Christian Rod!
    Subject: #387
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 07:01:18

    Very good for a kid.
                        The Old Fart Ralph*******************************

    Message: 390
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Ralphy
    Date: 10/13/88  Time: 08:02:41

    I see you got your macros working. Then why am I coming over today to set
    them up for you?  *::=Annie the AssP=::*

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