### Apollo BBS Archive - April 19, 1988

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    Message: 3339
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 20:03:08

    I don't know.  Anybody who'd inadvertently tear up a check they
    received in the mail is a blight on the gene pool; they probably
    wouldn't know how to cash the sucker anyway.

    I don't think this is the best argument I've ever seen advanced
    for the abolition of the U.S. Postal Service.

    Message: 3340
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 21:08:50

            Last
                    Well, the check I sent to the Painter for painting the store
    the first time... he tore it up... and then pleaded with me to write him a
    new one....  When he saw 'Apollo Computer' he thought it was JUNK Mail, till
    later when he realized the place he painted was going by that name...
    He sure felt foolish, and I thought it was awful stupid of him.  I did write
    him another check by the way....
                    I do NOT wish to see the abolition of the USPO, just Junk
    Mail!

    Cliff

    Message: 3341
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mail
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 22:13:24

    But, Cliff!  Junk mailers are paying for a service, and they certainly don't
    want to lose it.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 3342
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Paul/Postal Sevice
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 22:33:03

    Paul's absolutely right: Reagan's super-rich friends WILL benefit if the
    Postal Service is privatized.  They'll benefit from better service and
    better value in their mail, as will we all.

    Message: 3343
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Savage
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 00:22:03

    I was quoting from an editorial in a liberal magazine to disprove your
    assertion that only "ultra-conservatives" like the Heritage Foundation
    (where I may be working this summer, by the way) favor privatization of the
    Postal Service and your claim that the basis for all editorial advocacy of
    privatization was resentment over reductions in second-class subsidies.
    (Incidentally, Reason magazine, a longtime advocate of privatization, ran
    an editorial some time ago calling for the abolition of second-class
    subsidies, despite benefiting from them.)

    Message: 3344
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/Junque mail
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 05:47:37

    As I have said in past messages, the cost of mailing 3rd class business
    mail(that stuff you refer to as junk) has risen som 350-400% since 1971, and
    the fact that there is an increased volume of it every year attests to the
    fact that it is an effective form of advertising. The fact that it is also
    profitable for the USPS is at least one f the reasons that your first class
    rate is not higher than it is. At .25, it's still one heck of a bargain,
    considering the service you get for your quarter. That quarter will chase an
    addressee all over the country, as long as he continues to turn in address
    changes, and if he moves and leaves no change, the same quarter will return
    the letter to you, with the information you need.
     As to people teraing up checks thinking it was junk mail, all that proves
    is the ignorance of some people. To recognize the difference between
    business advertising and first class mail, all ne has to do is look at the
    upper right hand corner of the envelope. If it's gt .25 postage on it, it's
    first class. If it says "bulk rate", "non-profit" or some such endorsement,
    it's advertising. People don't send checks via bulk mail!
     Actually, it doesn't take all that much of your valuable time to check your
    mail and separate the stuff you don't want from that you do, and you shoul
    be thanking the mailers of all that "junk" mail for keeping your first class
    rates the lowest in the world.

    Message: 3345
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Paul/Jack
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 13:52:34

    I threw away a check once not too long ago, thinking it was junk mail and
    I'm not stupid or ignorant either. They have just got very clever in their
    envelope packaging is all. At least three times a week now, I get mail that
    looks like re-fund checks from the government. Also, some of it looks very
    official - like from a lawyer or the state etc. I HATE junk mail and wish it
    would stop. I'll gladly pay a higher price to mail things to just get rid of
    it. Why should I have to take those extra minutes a day Paul to open it?
    They are infringing on my rights to not want commercialism ALL the time! I
    can at least turn off the TV or radio when they come on, but not the mail. I
    pay a small fortune all year just to get a few paid TV stations so I don't
    get commercials. Now, even when I rent a movie - there are commercials on it
    and I resent having to pay for that too. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3346
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Junk! Mail
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 14:52:13

            I too would pay more... Paul does not get the point...
    He said the rate has gone UP for the Junk mailers... but, it is still
    lower than we pay for postage.  I think they should pay the SAME price we
    pay since they make a PROFIT from their junk mail.  Like it costs me a LOT
    more to place a classified add for my store then it would cost Paul to place
    an add to sell his dog...  Why you ask, because I am in business to make
    money so the paper wants a bigger cut.  Why can't the post office do the
    same.
            I have had disks that were mailed to me simply "CRUSHED" in my mail
    box because of Junk mail...  Had there been less or no junk mail, the
    postman would not have had to ram them into my box to get them to fit.

            It is a good deal for a quarter....when it works!

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     1:        We are in the electronic age, let's use it to advertise.
     2:        How many trees are cut down each year in order to supply the paper
     3:for 'junk' mail advertising?
     4:        According to the National Science Quiz on PBS several years ago, it
     5:took 75,000 trees for one Sunday issue of the New York Times.
     6:        It would be easier and far better to read the 'news' over a low
     7:voltage terminal screen than shit-can all those trees.
     8:                        Save a tree - eat a beaver.
     9:
    10:                                Rod

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    Message: 1228
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Commercials
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 20:10:18

    If there's going to be commercials for the store, I think Cliff
    should at least make then RHYME -- like the old Burma Shave signs.
    Stagger them, Cliff, so they build to some kind of exciting
    conclusion which will have the users here whipped into a veritable
    frenzy of excitement.

    Message: 1229
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Jack/last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 13:55:57

    The exciting conclusion is --- he's cheaper than other stores! That 'whips
    me into a veritable frenzy of excitement'! Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1230
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Commercial
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 14:58:48

            Okay Jack...

            There was a boy from Boston Mass
            He had balls of solid Brass
            He clanged them together
            To make stormy weather
            And lightning shot out of his Ass...

            Now will you buy from me Jack?

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    Subject:last

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     1:        Hey, I can't top that, so why try.
     2:end

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    Message: 306
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 01:39:49

    From what you've told me about Lamanuzzi, it sounds as though we really do
    need him. Peter would like to attend though, so if we can change the date,
    he would appreciate it.

    Message: 307
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 01:55:21

    If we can set a reasonable time that EVERYONE can agree to, and do it within
    the next week, do it.  What date would you suggest?  (After the 15th.)

    Message: 308
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 03:44:52

    I'll talk to Cervelli later today to find out exactly when it is he's coming
    back.

    Message: 309
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crazy Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jams
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 13:58:46

    Anytime is alright by me, but I think someone as important as Peter should
    be considered. No joke - he has contributed money and he really wants to be
    there. That's my two cents worth - for what it's worth! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 310
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: GT or Bust!
    Subject: Oh brother...
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 15:03:52

            Ok Nick... How about July 4th and only if it goes over 120 in the
    shade?
            Why don't you (Nick) take over the date assignment for our GT and
    you corrolate all of us together...

            Okay Guys....  Nick is in charge here of getting a date set, leave
    him your gripes and requests....  I am only along for the ride... any date
    is fine by me, and if for some reason I can not make it, I will not cry for
    my money back... but you had better let me see the film!

    Take it away......Nick-i-san

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    Message: 51806
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The Prince
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 17:45:56

      I conclude, therefore, that a prince need trouble little
    about conspiracies when the people are well disposed, but
    when they are hostile an hold him in hatred, then he must
    fear everything and everybody.  Well-ordered states and wise
    princes have studied diligently not to drive the nobles to
    desperation, and to satisfy the populace and keep it
    contented, for this is one of the most important matters
    that a prince has to deal with.
      Among the kingdoms that are well ordered and governed in
    our time is France, and there we find numberless good
    institutions on which depend the liberty and security of the
    king; of these the chief is the parliament and its
    authority, because he who established that kingdom, knowing
    the ambition and insolence of the great nobles, deemed it
    necessary to have a bit in their mouths to check them.  And
    knowing on the other hand the hatred of the mass of the
    people against the great, based on fear, and wishing to
    secure them, he did not wish to make this the special care
    of the king, to relieve him of the dissatisfaction that he
    might incur among the nobles by favouring the people, and
    among the people by favouring the nobles.  He therefore
    established a third judge that, without direct charge of the
    king, kept in check the great and favoured the lesser
    people.  Nor could any better or more prudent measure have

    been adopted, nor better precaution for the safety of the
    king and the kingdom.  From which another notable rule can
    be drawn, that princes should let the carrying out of
    unpopular duties devolve on others, and bestow favours
    themselves.  I conclude again by saying that a prince must
    esteem his nobles, but not make himself hated by the
    populace.

    Message: 51808
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/Taxes
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 20:33:15

      If the majority of Americans feel the same as you do (oppose taxes and
    don't believe that it makes any difference how they vote) then that explains
    why we are in the current mess.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 51809
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Bubbles
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 21:38:33

    Hello,
      If you should happen to log on as this person again would you mind
    explaining what it is that you want? This type of diatribe seems to
    be aimed at claiming a general victim status without any real concrete
    grievances or remedies in mind.
      A total restructuring of the English language would not cause women
    to remain in thier careers as long as men and reach the same average
    level of pay.
      Likewise it would not prevent most women from freely choosing to
    fraternize with men, marry them, and raise children at the expense of
    thier other possible career choices.
      Your claim of institutionalized violence against women to keep them
    subjegated is an easily exposed hoax. If there were any truth to it
    then the backlash from it would have created a wide spread civil war
    instead of a tiny uprising of laughable extremists.
        See you later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 51810
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 22:47:52

    I think it was just a satirical message, entered by Pete Moss.
    He just wants us to THINK he went back to Massachusetts.

    Message: 51811
    Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann Oudin
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 23:23:03

    Ann,

       I'm still here, lurking around the corners.

    (LL)oyd Pulley

    Message: 51812
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 23:55:33

    I just can't picture you lurking.

    Message: 51813
    Author: Mike Cormier
    Category: Question?
    Subject: ATHEISM/ RE:51562
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 03:11:14

    I'm a non-believer myself.
    What I want to know is: Where is the logic in attacking what you don't
    believe in the first place?

    Message: 51814
    Author: Mike Cormier
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Mecham
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 03:32:35

    the guy is gone for the rest of this term. If the voters elect him again,
    (for any office,) they will certianly be reminded by his opponents of what
    he's done and will know what they're voting for.
      Why do people insist on labeling him a Mormon? The man was an
    embarresment(sp?) because of what he wouldn't believe (i.e. the "good
    people" were displeased with him) Not because of what he did believe.

    Message: 51815
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 51813
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 08:01:21

    If you see a certain belief you don't hold as a possible threat, it makes
    perfect sense to attack it.  That's why religions attack each other.

    Message: 51816
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 13:22:57

    Yeah - your right. I was just in a slight depressive mood when I wrote that.
    Thanks for the book - will start in on it soon. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51817
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: We gotta do ....
    Date: 04/19/88  Time: 13:38:05

    .... something about this! There was an article in the paper this AM and we
    certainly must do our part in seeing that a thing like this that is a
    protential danger, go un-heeded.
    Headline:    EATING ROOTS OF DEADLY PLANT ON TRAIL KILLED HIKER, POISON
    EXPERT REPORTS!
    The article goes on to say that this hiker got hungry and ate some of this
    root called 'Cicutadouglasii'- one mouth full can kill! Now as I see it -
    we've got to get ahold of Ralph Nader or someone - we must pass a law making
    it against the law to eat said root - to go one step farther, we should get
    a panel together to go out and label each and every plant with a warning -
    - 'The Surgeon General warns that this plant can be deadly to your health'
    etc. etc. We must spend millions spraying the fields where this foul root
    grows and until it's under control, all wilderness areas, parks, playgrounds
    must be evacuated until futher notice! No doubt, there are sleezy
    'Cicutadouglasii' peddlers roaming the streets, hooking our kids on the root
    We must root them out (pardon the pun!) and throw them in jail. We cannot
    let this thing go or it will get out of hand. Send your cards & letters to
    your congressmen, the President, the governor. (who ever that is at the
    moment) Look in your back yards for signs of it. Beware! =*--ANN--*=

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    Message: 1284
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol/Ed
    Date: 04/18/88  Time: 22:50:02

    Your story is typical of those I've heard from other females on the system.
    He was clearly mentally ill.  I mean that seriously; I feel sorry for his
    family.

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     1:        I think everyone is mentally ill to some extent.  If any of us are
     2:well and strong it would seem that we could lick the mental health problem
     3:in this world, however it just ain't that way.
     4:        Usually, when a normal person recognizes someone who is outwardly
     5:daft, they will joke or mock but usually not be able to help them because of
     6:their own problem.
     7:        Perhaps in another century or two, perhaps not.
     8:                                Rod

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    Subject:Karl Marx

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     1:        Over the weekend I purchased "Marx For Beginners" by Ruis and "The
     2:Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.  So far I have read
     3:about 80 pages of the former and find Marx to be facinating.  This book
     4:delves into his life and tells about people he knew and the ongoing economic
     5:situation of his life.
     6:                                Rod