### Apollo BBS Archive - June 29, 1990

    Mail from Jeff Beck
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 19:12:33

    When the humidity climbs, I am in complete agreement with you.  The weather
    in July and August becomes intolerable.  As for the Lard's Revenge, just
    remember: the sun shines on the wicked as well as on the good.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:I am without meaningful words as I am burnt out from this past week.  I need
     2:rest, lots of rest.  I've had to drag myself out of bed these past three
     3:mornings and force myself to go out and make some fucking capitalistic
     4:dollars so that my landlard will be happy.  What a life!
     5:
     6:Perhaps someday the human animal will get intelligent and then we can have
     7:an intelligent world.  Won't that be special?  I can hardly wait.

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    Message: 67035
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 18:09:01

    Re:  "The homes that were destroyed was perhaps a sign from God, a message
    or perhaps as punishment for a previous deed or just to bring more converts
    into the fold."

    I doubt that seriously!

    Message: 67036
    Author: Randy Sanders
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: k Tchelliboue
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 18:32:13

    k Tchelliboue
    baby blue blonde, batik
    Grassy plains of your windswept Faces
    Antediluvian strain, Semen's Suns. Froth, loam & Lather.
    Clay heat of internal Furnaces in glassy-Eyed Sands.
    The gods of the Winds, the Harvest & of the Flocks & Beasts
    Silage in Silos, graining wheat stands Fielded. Chaos of Comatose.
    Labyrinths profusely mutter
    All became defiant, we stood; Triumvirate.
    In the Year of the Third Suns.
    burning the Wheatfields
    Cast of fire-fights into the Night,
    Unkempt grasses inhale upon your open Spaces
    Your windblown Hair fell across my windtanned Face, your Cause
    and Effect. In this Distance,
    Platyhelmenthes invade the Flatlands. fasting upon your Abdomen,
    Mysentery & Lymph.
    Dust of Hum, windstones Insatiate of Interpolate movement. Chant
    their Pythagorus.
    You look so stunning in Turtle Oil & Peacock, my Dear.
    I shall obtain additional Futures. In this Year of the Third Suns.

    Message: 67037
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: hair
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 19:17:38

    Rod has made an excellent point: natural hair protects one in the summer
    from the heat: man does not have such natural protection, and thus must wear
    clothes.  Natural hair also protects one in the winter from the cold:
    similarly, man must wear clothes to make up for this lack.

    Dean's counterillustration of dogs panting in the heat is misleading.  Dogs
    would certainly pant just as much if they lacked hair but had clothes.  Dogs
    pant because that is their primary cooling mechanism; they don't sweat.

    Message: 67038
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/captains
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 19:19:25

    My dad's bigger than your dad.

    Message: 67039
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: White/Star Trek
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 19:21:25

    Whatever happened to the Organian peace treaty?

    Message: 67040
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Randy's poems
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 19:24:30

    Does this remind anyone of a certain skit from In Living Color?

    Message: 67041
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James W/Carolcom
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 20:16:58

    I haven't been on Carolcom. What's the prognosis ?

    Message: 67042
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Flag Burning / China
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 21:32:40

            Today the Communist Chinese Government past a LAW against burning
    the China flag or from any other disrespect.  You get 3 years in prison for
    violating this law. (at least 3 years, if not death)

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67043
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Amber Monitor (RCA)
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 21:38:58

            The ol' RCA type two wire amber monitor by Roland, model MB-121A
    12 inch screen... works fine...  Used (of course) and the owner only wants
    $35.00 for it!

            I have it at my place... I can hook it up for you to look at.

    Leave me mail in the E[P]O or give me a voice call at 843-3346

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67044
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Malaysian Justice
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 22:30:31

    A businessman was recently put to death in Malaysia.  His crime:
    *Possession* of a firearm.  Not misuse, not theft, not armed crime, merely
    possession.

    I guess if S.1970 passes with the gun registration scheme intact, the death
    penalty for possessing firearms can't be far behind.  Call those Senators
    and Congressman!!!

    Michael "I'm the NRA" Kielsky

    Message: 67045
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: MM School
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 23:26:42

    Thank you all for your advice, honest indian.
    Well after reading all those post I got on the phone and spent some major
    bucks calling most of the companies that DV listed as potential employers.
    I talk to dozens of personnel directors, and here are the results:
    75% of the mojor companies will hire you if you come from DV after taling
    the course I want ( computer information systems ).
    I also checked with the department of labor about DV being accredited, and I
    was told they were. I then drove to ASU and I was told that with my
    Bacholors of science form DV I could keep right on going towards my masters
    if I wanted to.
    I also checked on the validity of a DV BS, and got gook responses.
    I do have plenty of time till I have to make up my mind wich schoolto go to,
    and the VA will pay for ANY school I choose. So if any of you would have
    time , I'd love to get together with some of you and talk about this,
    because I can use pleny of advice. I guess its just easier to believe
    somebody when you look them in the face, nothing personal, honest, just the
    way my father taught me. So if anybody will talk to me in person (like over
    a cup of coffee or something, I would shurely apriciate it. Just give me a
    call or leave a post.
    979-0234
    Thanks a million for all the advice
    Jeff

    Message: 67046
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 00:26:53

    You have had three people in a row, with absolutley nothing to win
    or lose, tell you that it's a *bad* idea to go to DeVry.

    You will go where *you* want to go...just like you'll buy a car
    that's a lemon..you'll buy it because you want it.

    My point is that judeging from your post you are already sold
    on DeVry and nothings going to change your mind. So stop wasting our
    time asking for suggestions.

    Message: 67047
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Star Trek /NG
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 00:44:44

    Here's my scenario;
    When Riker says FIRE, the thing fails to work. Jordy is then
    chastized and boy wonder makes a winning suggestion. Meanwhile the
    BORG are done with repairs and start to move away..on course with their
    original plan. At the last second, the deflector-dish idea works
    and blows picard, borg and brick dunny house into next Christmas.
    (Borg moved away a sufficient amount of space to prevent Enterprise
    from blowing itself up thereby saving the series...)
    New female wenchess becomes #1 and Riker gets his Captain's chair.
    Q drops in and gives a dissertation somewhere along the line. His hands
    will be tied I'll bet...no doubt he;s still on probabtion.
    Boy wonder get's a promo for the ingenious suggestion and the Enterpoop
    will go into Earthstation dry dock for repairs. Meanwhile, some other
    nasty thing will surface ; a storyline no doubt along the lines of
    the study of the remaining pieces of BORG ...
    The other scenario is that Q does intervene because of his previous
    meddling that somehow "prompted the BORG to do something different"
    so to replace the normal time-line, he's told to make everything
    like it was before the BORG showed up.
    (By his Q-peers or suPEERiors.)
    Nonetheless, it's a great hours entertainment compared with anything
    else currently offered.

    Message: 67048
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: Rod's House
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 01:01:16

    Sounds like you have it under control. I wish someone had had the wisdom to
    plant some trees at my house a few years ago. The only ones were planted on
    the edge of the yard, So my house is shaded very little, but my neighbors
    carport is shaded well...Any Suggestions on fast growing trees to plant?

    Message: 67049
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: DeVry, etc.
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 05:52:06

    Jeff, you mentioned that 75% would hire you... but did you ask them if a
    DeVry grad would receive the same position and salary as an ASU grad?  Ask
    them, perhaps, if they are making the same amount of money after 3-5 years?

    Message: 67050
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans/trees
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 07:51:29

    One of the fastest growing trees that I have first hand knowledge is the
    silver dollar eucaliptus (sp?) We put one in about 3 1/2 years ago - now it
    has a trunk that's almost a foot wide and it's way taller than the house and
    lots of shade. It doesn't loose it's leaves at all - just all the time. Not
    bad though. Another fast growner is the Mulberry - but it does loose it's
    leaves in the winter. But lots of shade. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67051
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Dying
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 09:17:25

    "Each day I expect to die and when I don't then oh well, I make the best of
    it."

    By the time the day is ended, and you realized you aren't dying, what time
    do you have left to do anything else?

    Daryl
    (Ro 5:1-2)

    Message: 67052
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Fire
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 09:23:00

       As a Christian, I cannot even make speculations as the eternal fate of
    those involved in the fire. I can only pray and hope for the best for them.

       However, my God is more loving and forgiving than this sadistic "Mother
    Nature" you keep talking about.

    Daryl
    (Ro 5:1-2)

    Message: 67053
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Sign From God
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 09:33:44

       You seem to forget that Christ took the punishment for sin FOR us when he
    died on the cross. The punishment has already been meted out. As a Lutheran
    (and if I'm not mistaken, you said you were a Lutheran before you became an
    atheist so you should KNOW this), I believe that since all sins were atoned
    for through the death and resurrection of Christ, God cannot demand
    atonement for sin again. To suggest that he does is not only unscriptural,
    it also implies that the work of Christ was inefficient.
       Unbelief in Christ and the justification that has been given to us
    through him is the only thing that can condemn.
       Why do things happen like this fire? We do not know, and again, we cannot
    speculate. God's ways are not ours. We can only comfort ourselves in the
    knowledge that God's will is always good. We may not understand why things
    happen now, but Someday, we will.

    Daryl
    (Php 2:6-11)

    Message: 67054
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / 67023
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 09:35:32

       I noticed you did not comment on this post.

    Daryl
    (Php 2:6-11)

    Message: 67055
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's death
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 14:10:59

    Rod:
            Well, at *best* you'd have about fifty--sorry, I was being
    optimistic for you, is that OK?  In either case, we both will know better
    within a short period of time (50 years), will we not?

    James>>>

    Message: 67056
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Organian peace...
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 14:13:39

    Wish I knew--I mean, right now, about the only way I can see Picard
    surviving is if Q comes popping into the scene and fixes everything--and, if
    they did that, no one would watch the series anymore, rightly, I would
    think.  But, the Organians might show up again, too, unless they have
    evolved into apathetic super-beings.

    James>>>

    Message: 67057
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CarolCom
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 14:14:43

    I don't know--Carol says the program won't load, and today when I tried the
    line was busy, which, I hope, is a good sign.  Keep trying.

    James>>>

    ....if you don't keep trying, you'll find Warf in your shower!

    Message: 67058
    Author: $ James White
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Season finale
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 14:17:04

    Those, unfortunately, are all possibilities, the first one you gave being
    dangerously like my own prediction.  Does anyone know when the new season
    starts???

    James>>>

    Message: 67059
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Trekkies
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 18:08:40

           I did not realize so many of you were trekkies, even if it is the New
    Generation.

            When I first started watching the 'Second Generation Star Trek' TV
    series, I did not like it.  But in time, with character development and
    better scripts, I now enjoy it.

            Keep then Trekkie posts coming....... *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp
    *=*  <-clif-

    P.S.  I have this vision... next post Zak will be correcting my spelling
    of the word 'Trekkies'

    Message: 67060
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: "Trekies"
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 19:06:04

    Isn't it spelled "trekkies"?  (with 2 'k's?)

    According to Gene Roddenberry, most of these people prefer the less
    derogatory term "trekkors."  Gene points out that trekkors aren't just
    youngsters who make weird hand signals to each other; many trekkors are
    lawyers, businessmen, bank presidents, and even a great many astronauts.
         I have video footage of a Star Trek wedding that took place a few years
    ago.  The bride had silver nail polish and vulcan ears.  The priest started
    the ceremony with "We are gathered here today, in the presence of God...and
    the Star Federation..."
         Remember the time William Shatner was a guest on Saturday Night Live?
    He was speaking at a mock Star Trek convention.  Somebody asked him what the
    combination number was for a safe on one of the episodes, said him and a
    friend had been arguing about it.  Shatner got frustrated and finally
    said, "Get a life!"  The trekkors were taken aback.  "You, you there..."
    (he points to Jon Lovitch wearing Star Trek getup) "...Have you ever
    kissed a girl?"  Lovitch bows his head in shame.
         Have any of you seen Star Trek 5 (the movie)?  Remember the scene in
    which Bones, Spock and Kirk are sitting around a campfire, and Bones and
    Kirk were getting all p.o.'ed because Spock wouldn't sing "Row Row Row Your
    Boat" with them?  Spock's objection:  "I do not understand the words -- life
    is *not* but a dream."  Bones was getting all freaked out:  "It's a song,
    you sing it for fun!" and they were like totally putting down Spock because
    he wouldn't sing their geeky old song.  But at the end he gave in.  Geek...

    Message: 67061
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: flag burning
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 19:28:44

         They sell little flags at Tang's Imports (and probably a thousand other
    places) for just a couple bucks.  Let's all get together and get our little
    American flags and some Bic lighters and have a big ol' Flag Burning GT.  We
    can roast them in bonfires and eat antipatriotic marshmallows.  But remember
    -- you can't microwave a flag.  Hey, we can also have a flag shooting GT
    some time, but that's later.  I bet Cliff can hit the stars.  But like I was
    saying, let's have a flag burning GT and exercise our Constitutional rights.
    This will give Dean something *real* good to videotape.
         Oh, by the way, I saw Dean's GT tape.  I heard you all had a GT tape
    GT.  Now there's an idea -- having a GT in which everybody sits around and
    watches old GTs.  Oh my.  But I must say, I rather enjoyed Dean's opening
    scene in which each person was shown.  The music wasn't right though, he
    should have mixed it with "send in the clowns" or something.  Ho ho.
         Oh, by the way, I'm over at Rod's again - got no modem interface to
    call my own.  I'll be going to school soon, so you all have yourselves the
    most pleasant of summers (If MLK ever really did say "burn baby burn!" it
    was most likely in Phoenix) and...whatever.
         Rod's son, Jon, is sitting here next to me and begging me to play
    Dungeon Master with him.  ("No I'm not!" he's saying.  "Nerd!")  Before he
    was whining, "When are you going to get off?" repeatedely.  What a little
    geekazoid.  Now he's punching my arm.  Ouch.
         Gotta go.

    Message: 67062
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/fires
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 20:37:46

    Then perhaps there is hope for you Bob.  I didn't think that the fires were
    caused by God to take revenge on people or for any other reason.  Good
    going.

    Message: 67063
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sanders, Randy
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 20:38:09

    What type of LSD are you taking?

    Message: 67064
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hans/trees
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 20:46:22

    Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.  A Mulberry tree grows like wildfire.  In
    two seasons it becomes a full blown shade tree (although it may be
    classified as a bush?).

    If you are allergic to pollen then don't plant one because this plant gives
    a goodly amount off from time to time.

    Ours came about by accident.  One day it was there in the yard and several
    months later it was very big.  It shades the western part of the house from
    the 3 to 5 oclock heat.

    The bonus is that you can eat the juicy fruit of that tree.  But the stains
    are pretty horrid.

    Message: 67065
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: School/Jeff L.
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 20:56:40

    I know of a good school that you may want to attend although it is VERY
    expensive.  It is the C.R. Williams School of Computer Sciences.  Last I
    heard a semester was $4,500.

    But the good part is that once you have completed and earned your degree you
    will receive half of what you paid in, in cash money.

    The first course is learning how to play Dungeon Master with a whining 10
    year old.  This will, of course, teach you several subjects at once.

    Next you will learn to break into government computer bases and list the
    C.R. Williams School of Computer Sciences on the accrediated list.

    Won't it be fun.

    Lastly the school can guarantee placement as a genuine key punch operator in
    a the third world country of your choice where you will be given your very
    own Vic-20 or a Commodore Pet if you have high grades.

    Go for it.

    Message: 67066
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 20:58:56

    The brightly shining mistle toe.
    Met the holy face.
    Around the mulberry tree,
    All men go.

    I trust that you will take this in answer to your last several posts.

                            Rod
    P.S.  I would only give my life for a tree if it had enough sex appeal.  All
    trees do not appeal to me.

    Message: 67067
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: The Flag
    Date: 06/29/90  Time: 21:03:34

    I have a fairly large 48 star American Flag.  It has become worn and frayed
    over the years and I'm sad to say that it has touched the ground (but it was
    American ground) more than once.

    Well, the last time it fell (last Friday) was the 'straw' and I would like
    to get together with a few friends and do the correct thing.

    You all are invited to a Flag burning party on the steps of the Arizona
    Capital to take place at midnight, July 4, 1990.  Come one, come all.

    Be there or be square.

    If anyone out there has an abused flag that needs to be properly taken care
    of then this is the time.

    Boxes of Kleenix will be provided but BYOB.

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