### Apollo BBS Archive - June 28-30, 1998

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    Message: 3806
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

    Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

    Message: 3807
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Educating David
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 09:08:24

    You failed to capitalize "English"

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    Message: 3806
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

    Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

    Messa

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    Message: 3803
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/27/88  Time: 20:47:11

    Oh, sorry. That should have been...
    "Anyhow, are you satisfied?"
    You know, with a QUESTION MARK.
    Sorry Daryl.

    Message: 3804
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cheating, the truth
    Date: 06/27/88  Time: 22:39:12

            I didn't attend school very much and I never became familiar with
    cheating however I have learned to cheat in my job.  I file the sidebar on
    GM locks to make the key work better.

    Message: 3806
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

    Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

    Message: 3807
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Educating David
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 09:08:24

    You failed to capitalize "English" in your message criticizing Michelle's
    ability to use it.

    Message: 3808
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: David Burkhart
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:35:59

    I left 2 messages explaining more
    about my posts. I left them in
    PRIVATE Mail, due to respect.
    So, please read them.

    Michelle

    Message: 3809
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Status Users
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:37:34

    Tell me, and don't ignore the
    subject, are you all upset at
    my posts also? See, David seems
    like a smart guy. I doubt he would
    talk with out "Back up".
    Input please.

    Message: 3810
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:21:52

    If I thought you were stupid, I wouldn't criticize your attitude toward
    cheating.  I simply agree with Paul that the only person you are cheating is
    yourself.

    Message: 3811
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike James
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:22:59

    I did that on purpose to avoid appearing pretentious.

    Message: 3812
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Kars / Automotive
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:24:38

    Never, NEVER, file the sidebar.

    Message: 3813
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:46:04

    Speaking of 'Files'....  where the hell is mine?

    Message: 3814
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michelle...
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:48:27

            Your post on 'Cheating in schools' sure drew a lot of good
    responses, so I think it was GREAT!    Good topic that I never heard debated
    here before.
            Good work Michelle.....

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 3815
    Author: $ Pat Stoddard
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michelle's posts
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 21:51:42

    Michelle,
        I have no problem with you rposts. I could have posted more, but the
    posts would be incriminating enough to put me in possible legal troubles. I
    didn't have to cheat (not too much, anyway), but part of the (dare I say)
    fun is seeing how well it can be pulled off. My best try was the copy
    machine trick, and the whole class took part in it. The class, in which
    half of it was the top 10 to 15% of my graduating H.S. class, was oh-so
    willing to do it. That helps in the attempt to pull the stunt off.
    No problem talking about the cheating - but don't do it too much.

    Later...                                                 Pat

    Message: 3816
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 05:46:31

    Your posts don't bother me at all, Michelle.
     I was just saddened by the thought that you perhaps cheaed your way through
    a valuable education, and thereby cheated yourself out of the greatest
    opportunity afforded any American youth. THat is why I responded as I did,
    and will still stand by my premise that when you cheat, you are the only
    loser. Best of luck in all you do with your life.
    Paul

    Message: 3817
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michelle/posts
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:02:48

    Nothing wrong with your posts. You found out others cheated too. It didn't
    seem to affect you, so why not? 'To thy own self be true'! Only you can know
    if it hurt you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 3818
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cheating
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 10:11:58

       I believe cheating is very wrong.  I can't tell you how vital it has been
    in my life to know the difference between a metphor and a simile.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 3819
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: CLIFFY
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:18:47

    Thank you Cliff. I am glad you
    are impressed. I couldn't have
    posted that message without with
    BBS, so thank YOU again! Keep up
    the good work.

    Oh, you never answered. Did you
    ever cheat in school? Fess up!

    Michelle

    Message: 3821
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Pat
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:23:46

    Thanks for replying Pat! Did you
    REALLY do something THAT bad to have
    a possible law case against you?
    I wonder what it was..

    I will be studying Law pretty soon.
    My goal is to be a Lawyer, but I
    will not let out your secret. Hehe.

    Message: 3823
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Again..
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:27:33

    Thanks Paul Savage and Ann Ouden.
    I appreciate it.

    I was trying to ask the users if they
    minded my spelling errors also. I
    believe everyone has errors, so
    I decided to ignore that post. It
    is CLEAR That David was the only
    one that it annoyed (well that made
    it public), BUT he will live.
    Everyone will live, so let's have
    FUN!

    Michelle

    Message: 3824
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 19:33:30

    I wasn't annoyed.  I was simply expanding on Paul Savage's points.  I also
    was somewhat amused by your barely intelligible message maintaining that you
    had earned your high GPA.
    Your defense that you don't proofread messages is somewhat plausible, but
    you do consistently use double negatives and misuse words.
    Anyway, go ahead and write your messages however you like.

    Message: 3825
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cheat?
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:10:49

            Who me???  You bet your bippy I cheated...  Very little, but I
    am paying for it as I use to cheat in "Spelling"......   I wish I had
    learned more by doing it the honest way.
            Boy David, you are a "Kill Joy".... Re: "Post your posts anyway..."
    Lighten up and let people communicate however they can.

    Message: 3826
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 19:52:09

    Cliff, I can't picture you cheating
    in class. Well, yeah I can. You
    probably were chasing after every
    female there and did not have time.

    Thanks also for kinda sticking up
    for me at the end of that post.
    It's so weird how people are so
    nice and kind in private mail,
    and then change in public. I am
    still a "Teeny-bopper". I have
    not reached the age of "David
    maturity" yet. Have you?

    Take care...
    Michelle

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    Message: 3827
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last on Age
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 21:44:49

            I hope I never get that old...

    Message: 3828
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: Gemini...
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 21:59:44

            Well, Inventory is getting down a bit, and I have managed to pay
    most of my creditors off...  I still have a few to go before they will all
    be "Happy".   My inventory is still too large to dump so I am forced to stay
    open a few more weeks.  I have noticed that some of my more friendly
    distributors and reps have been dropping off 'Leader' items to help me get
    traffic.  I am impressed and of course gratefull. Why some have even sent me
    customers... (where were they before my disaster?)
            Anyway, The sale is going well and with help from the above people,
    it's almost like 'Re-stocking'... but they will be back to pull out their
    inventory when I get mine down low enough to close the doors.
            I wish it were over so I could get on with finding a job...  So far
    non of the distributers have offered me anything in that department.
            Just thought I would let you guys and gals know what was going
    on....and not to worry....  Have a Happy 4th!!!!!!  I plan to try by
    forgetting I have a Store.... Sigh (tm) Dean M

    Cliff....

    P.S. Thanks to all you users who have been so helpfull.... love ya!

    Message: 3829
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff on Michelle
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:02:20

    You miss the point, Cliff.  I was not criticizing Michelle for her lack of
    English skills; rather, I was pointing out that her claim that she was
    getting a complete education was shown to be untrue by her poor grammar.
    I think people should try to use proper grammar and spelling, but as Michael
    James pointed out, I don't always succeed myself.  My spelling isn't very
    good, for instance.  But you have to admit that a statement like "I do not
    feel I was cheated of nothing" is pretty funny.
    In any case, I've been getting hate mail from Michelle ever since I posted
    the first message.  Her last letter said "YOUR MESSAGE NEVER MENTIONED
    CHEATING!" which shows that her command of the facts is even weaker than her
    command of the English language.  All of my messages were directly related
    to cheating, and I only brought up her grammar as an example -- the only
    available one, since she hasn't been posting any algebra.

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    Message: 682
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last?
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:51:41

    What??? Rod, I do not know what
    you are talking about. PLEASE
    EXPLAIN! I haven't wrote you
    mail in ages...

    Message: 683
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:52:43

    I was just suggesting a board.
    This will always be our "True LOve".
    PLUS, it is a message that is
    going on ALL THE BOARDS. I will
    never give up Apollo for another.

    Friends,
    Michelle

    Message: 684
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: COMPUTER!
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:55:02

    James and Rod:

    Someone was advertising an Atari
    800 xl, with disk drive and
    monitor for $500.00 in today's
    paper.

    THAT IS NOTHING! I am asking a
    messly $300.00 for EVERYTHING.
    The printer, the disk drive,
    computer, and modem. Shhhh, I
    may as well throw in my T.V. (
    which is my monitor) so you will
    buy! Here...this is a special just
    for you users!!

    What do you think?

    Message: 685
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Hardware
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:29:23

    So what if some guy advertised his system for $500?  I know someone with a
    system almost like yours who is selling for $250.  It is always difficult to
    sell old systems.  I'm not trying to denegrate your computer.

    You might try advertising your system on ST BASE, the number should be in
    the O command on the main system.

    It is very doubtful that someone on this board will buy your computer.
    Almost everyone is using an ST, and getting a 8 bit would be a big step
    back.  I do think you will get more money by piecing your system out.

    Message: 686
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:51:18

            Thanks dear...   I am pleased you consider Apollo BBS a 'True Love'
    Plus BBS....  Gee, that was a nice post!!!!!

    Thanks.....

    Message: 687
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:34:03

    When selling anything, you should
    try every available space to
    advertise. This is an Atari board,
    so there was my message. How did
    I know you weren't going to buy?
    Maybe you were looking for a
    birthday present for a friend who
    would love a computer...or
    something like that! Gez, I tried.

    Message: 688
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:13:00

            You are correct Michelle....  I have mentioned your computer to
    possable buyers....because you posted it here.   Just keep on posting if you
    wish, never mind the users who can't think beyond "Square One"

    Message: 689
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Michelle
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:25:08

    I was merely informing you of the current market situation.  Are you
    upgrading, or are you merely strapped for cash?

    Message: 690
    Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: My situation.
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 20:01:50

    Seriously, it isn't any of your
    business why I am selling. BUT, I
    will tell you!! I am in need for
    cash pretty badly. I do not
    plan on getting another computer
    for along time, so once it is
    gone.. I will also be! Life's
    hard.

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    Message: 1531
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Re-BuTTal
    Subject: Zak's rant
    Date: 06/27/88  Time: 23:23:58

    That's GULLET, you human-being-wanna-be !

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 1532
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Re-BuTTal
    Subject: It's a Dog's Life
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 02:32:26

    Gullet SMULLET, there's something disgusting on this sig, I can SMELLIT.
    It's you, you, you, Reverend Beuregard Dog.  You vomit-encrusted zombie, go
    stick a chicken in your underwear you lowlife limburger leech.  Can't you
    come up with something better than "human-being-wanna-be"?  My phrases,
    though incoherent, AT LEAST are aesthetic in their phonetics.  And YOU,
    Cliff, you hamburger-heaving hermit hermaphrodite, choke on chiggers in
    chili, you reeking rotten rastafarian rapper.  Zap yourself dead, dude...
    Smoke miles of piles of puppy poopies and eat gobs-o-swabs from the ear of
    whosobeith the most near, such as Sandy sysop, that dandy glop of precious
    lice who's so very nice...but I must admit, James White was right, you have
    no wit you mindless twit, and as for you, Ann Oudin, you wild wench who's
    free of sin, your days are numbered almost done, don't mess with me I'll
    have your bun.  Hon.  That's all for now but heed my warn - the rain is
    comin, that rain be pourin'.  Arf arf.

    Message: 1533
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Satan
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:32:01

    Satan does not have complete control. He lets me put all the impure thoughts
    into Rod's mind.

    Message: 1534
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 10:38:10

    Have you gone completely off your rocker fellow? Is that what you learned in
    school? My, my, guess I'll have to get another 'book' together for you. It
    would be intitled 'How not to Sin'! Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1535
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 21:15:08

    Go for it, Ann.  I could use the influence of your wisdom in this
    rapidly-proceeding series of situations, decisions and derisions called
    "life".

    Message: 1536
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last....
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 00:18:58

            Zak, you really are a dork if you post a message with Ann and the
    word "wisdom" in the same sentence.  Maybe I should upload the 'Self
    Portrait' of Ann that was drawn a few months ago.... before the 'Mighty'
    SYSOPs turned her into a "worm", and she crawled off to some dark corner.
            This is your last warning to get your act together or it will be
    back to  the Way Below o SIG for more potty training.

    P.S. Graduates of that SIG include Rod Williams and Mike Carter.

    Message: 1537
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last...
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 07:27:51

    ... and we all know that Cliffy has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek,

    Hmmm. I know a good quote about tongue-in-cheek, but it escapes me for the
    moment.

    Hey Cliff!  Are you *really* going out of business, or are you just ripping
    us all off by selling a lot of old junk so that you can restock?

    Message: 1538
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Never mind Cliff!
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:07:46

    Do not show Zakey Baby that portrait --- PLEASE! I've seen it enough to last
    a life time. And Zak, because of the threat from the Mighty Sysop of Apollo,
    I will not compile anymore albums of wisdom! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 1539
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann and Cliff
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:08:50

    Cliff - you're too weird, dude.  Ann's wisdom is there.  Not often, but it
    shows itself subtly from time to time.  Which is a helluva lot more than i
    can say for YOU.  You may be 39 physically but it's clear to me that your
    mind is about 17.  Grow up, dude!

    Ann - Your self-portrait is *that* bad?  Is that any indication of how you
    feel about yourself?  It's ok Ann, actually you're not a half-bad human
    being in my book.  So stand tall, lady, walk with dignity!  Walk like...like
    an Egyptian, that's right, like Cleopatra!  On second thought...sit down.

    Dogbreath - take a bath or something.

       YOU'RE ALL WIMPS!

    Message: 1540
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Insult Sic
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:11:07

    What's the Insult Sig?  I thought that was what this was.

    Message: 1541
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last....
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:15:23

            The INSult SIG is for people with BRAINs... Sorry you don't qualify!

    Cliff  (Grin)

    Message: 1542
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Zak/portrait
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:56:12

    I DID NOT draw my self portrait - Cliff or Sandy did, but they never
    admitted it. A few months back, I got on the kick of drawing people on
    Apollo. Well, to make a long story short, pictures of Sandy & Cliff got
    kinda out of hand - grotesque so to speak. In one set of drawings, Cliff's
    penis was so tiny, it would take a magnifying glass to find it and Sandy's
    'breast works' were so concave and 'pea' sized, ditto the magnifying glass.
    So they, being the Mighty Sysops they are with the powers that come with it
    - drew a horriable picture of me - spread it on every sig. - it even
    appeared right after I signed my name! They did it to look like 'I did it'
    and intitled it 'My Self Portrait'! Well, I learned NOT to fool with the
    Sysops after that and now only draw good, flattering ones. Now - if I draw
    one of them, Cliff's penis is as it is in real life - huge! And Sandy ---
    she's like 'WOW'! Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. Don't mess with the Sysops!

    Message: 1543
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:28:25

    Don't tell me that Cliff has been showing you his penis again!

    Message: 1544
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:05:36

    Cliff shows everybody his penis.  It's kind of a bad habit of his.

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    Message: 68
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Dog Doo-Doo
    Subject: Cliff/last
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:04:41

    I just can't believe how much gall you guys have in wanting to race my car!
    Nick has a fairly newish car, but it is an off road vehicle at best and
    couldn't race a 1945 Ford for very far! He might be able to beat my dog
    Bumper to the cornor if he's lucky and doesn't stop to pee! (The dog that
    is, not Nick!) And you! You have something called a 'Cuda' - which is short
    for Barracuda I presume --- you want to beat me with a 'fish'? A old, worn
    out fish? What the hell you got under the hood? -- 700 horse? Or 700 old
    'grey mares' that you have to whip to get them going? Anyway - I see that my
    car being aerodynamically designed has no effect on you as doesn't Rick
    mears or the racing engine or the racing tires. Be wared that my car has
    recently been fined tuned at Lou Grubb - the computer has the brains of
    Einstein (sp) and is working perfectly - I have over 500 horse under the
    hood that are straining at the bit to make you eat dirt, black or other
    wise - and Andy Granitelli will do the driving! Also be advised that a
    Corvette won the Grand Prix last year in Monte Carlo! I'll just bet THAT
    scared the 'peeps' out of you blow hards. A JEEP and a Fish!! Geeze!
    =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 69
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Nick the priest
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:06:21

    Forgive me father, for I have sinned! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 70
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: ANNIE the Fanny
    Subject: Ann's tire burner
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:57:57

    I guess you haven't noticed, but there is a third digit on that speedometer
    of yours. Give it a try sometime. I had an '84 Corvette, and I know that the
    speedos are limited (a software limitation, I'm told) to about 156.

    Don't boast to me about having magazines written about your car -- there are
    magazines written about model trains, and I'm not worried about being beaten
    by one of them.

    My car is faster than yours, that's all I'm going to say about it. You're
    just chicken.

    Message: 71
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: ANNIE the Fanny
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:28:45

    Needless to say, Nick got a new car a few months back.

    Now was that a Ferrari, or a Pantera, Nick?

    Message: 72
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Panteras
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 03:21:52

    Panteras are nothing but disguised Fords.

    Message: 73
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Crapola
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 09:04:21

    Lets just say we have had the car over 85 miles per hour!
    You know all about my car, but you won't tell me about yours??? Not fair! I
    know of a guy in Show Low that has a 1960 chevey! He's a racer. I don't know
    what he's got under that hood, but that's the fastest car I ever saw! One
    night, very late, we had both stopped at a light and was chatting (side by
    side) I was driving a Cadillac that was no slouch, but when the light
    changed, before I could get my foot on the throttle, he was already up the
    street! No screech, no buning of rubber - he was GONE! It was almost like he
    was in a time machine - here now, then appeared up the street a couple
    seconds later! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 74
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Dog Doo-Doo
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 09:06:11

    I vote to get Zak on this sig. HE is the master of insults! Anyone else
    agree? =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    Message: 75
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Nick the GEEK!
    Subject: Pantera
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:29:27

    But it can go faster than your car.

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    Message: 1485
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/26/88  Time: 03:47:15

    Most men are up past their bedtime.

    Message: 1486
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/27/88  Time: 01:19:55

    Most men are up at least until the first Rae of dawn.

    ha ha

    Message: 1487
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 06/27/88  Time: 03:32:35

    You're a geek.

    Message: 1488
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 02:36:52

    So now there are two people who overtly say I am a geek:  James Taranto and
    Nick Ianuzzi.  Any others care to step forward?  Go ahead, join the club, it
    really doesn't bother me.

    Join the "Zak's a Geek!" club!  All members receive FREE, upon membership, a
    "Zak Woodruff - Geek Through And Through" T-Shirt, available in red, yellow,
    light blue, and white.

    Go ahead - join!

    Message: 1489
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:45:03

    Quit being such a geek.

    Message: 1490
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 01:46:30

    Geek?  That's a little too harsh.  He is 'unique'.

    "A toon killed my brother."

    Message: 1491
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Yawn...
    Subject: Zak
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:13:12

    I dunno, I think he has a little Geek in him.

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    Message: 52876
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick/#52866
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 00:47:52

    He could also stand a good modification, right?

    Message: 52877
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Mankind
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 01:33:33

      Children come into the world and are subjected to a withering stream of
    illogical ramblings which often prevent them from developing the ability
    to reason for themselves. I speak of such nonsense as declaring compassion
    to be a superior alternative to individual rights, or claiming that a
    worker who has the right to quit his job, take his assets, and leave the
    country any time he chooses is a slave.
      It is no wonder that a creature conditioned to accept and perpetuate such
    evil notions without question would also be unable to see any achievement
    of mankind as worthwhile. Since you often express a hunger to return to
    a sub-man state of less technology and a dependence on the good will of
    the tribe for survival it follows that nothing which elevates man further
    from that dismal condition would interest you.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 52878
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
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    Message: 52878
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:24:30

    Ann, your facts are incorrect. A properly tuned older car will not have
    emissions as low as that of a new vehicle. You apparently are not aware of
    the strides in emissions controls and fuel management.

    I also do not believe that the "shade tree" mechanic will forever we put off
    by computer controlled vehicles. True, they are much more involved to
    troubleshoot, but it is possible to pinpoint just about any problem with a
    set of jumper leads and a digital multimeter. Backyard tinkerers as well as
    hot rodders must learn to think in different terms, that's all.

    Message: 52879
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 10:33:22

    What you say could be right, but my point was - we are just covering up the
    real problems period. We can have better cars, emmissions testing, Catalytic
    (sp) converters, computer run cars, fuel injection etc etc, but it is only a
    panacea. Fossil fuel is polluting and will eventually run out. They just
    continue with all of this, with no end seemingly in sight - we pay and pay
    through the nose for it all. I should say we are penalized! We can buy a car
    off the show room floor and it might not pass emmissions. We have to pay for
    all of this 'cover up' when we buy a car. Even if they took away 3/4 of the
    pollution from cars, that's still too much when you get them in a cluster
    like a city and the freeways. There is going to cause pollution no matter
    what. Some of it is unfair too. We don't make older cars go through
    emmissions nor do we make the thousands of Snow Birds do it either. Just the
    residents are penalized for owning and needing a car. The city(ies) doesn't
    try in the least for mass transportation and even if they did - the city
    busses are exempt and belch smoke. Yeah - I know that diesel fuel doesn't
    pollute as much - but if that's a fact, why not make it compulsory that all
    new cars be diesel? It's all a sham. A gigantic business. If you do not
    agree with this - what is your alternitive to it? What about the 'green
    house effect'? Do you belive that? Are you a 'shade tree mechinic'? If so,
    how do you go about fixing the computer when it goes haywire? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52880
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Gemini, the Saga
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 15:26:41

    continues, for a few more weeks it looks like.....  I just have too
    much inventory to just...leave!!!  My best guess is mid July sometime.

            The Sale continues...  lots and lots of good stuff left...
    On some things the prices will go down even more.....

    Come grab yourself a deal......

    Message: 52881
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 17:11:59

      For anyone like Benjamin the mule who takes the view that
    world politics are inherently evil and getting worse all the
    time, the world of 1984 represents an almost gratifying
    confirmation of all one's gloomiest forbodings.  In this
    connection, it is interesting to compare Orwell's
    description of Oceania with his description of James
    Burnham's *The Managerial Revolution*.
      "These people (the 'managers') will eliminate the old
    capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organized
    society that all power and economic privilege remain in
    their own hands.  Private property will be abolished but
    common ownership will not be established.  The new
    managerial societies will not consist of a patchwork of
    small independent states, but of great superstates grouped
    around the main industrial centres of Europe, Asia and
    America.  These superstates will fight among themselves for
    possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth
    but will probably be unable to conquer one another
    completely.  Internally, each society will be hierarchical,
    with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of
    semi-slaves at the bottom."
      This is in effect the world of *1984*, just as it is the
    world of Russia and Nazi Germany.  "Bernham's theory is not,
    strictly speaking, a new one," Orwell comments.

    Message: 52882
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 17:21:20

    "...  As an interpretation of what *is happening* (it) is
    extremely plausible, to put it at the lowest ... Where
    Burnham differs from most other thinkers is in trying to
    plot the course of the 'managerial revolution' accurately on
    a world scale, and in assuming that the drift towards
    totalitarianism is irresistible."
      Orwell, who had spent much of his life fighting against
    this drift and more particularly against the assumption that
    the drift was irresistible, severely criticises Burnham for
    the power worship that obsesses so many modern intellectuals
    throughout all their shifts of allegiance from one power to
    another.
      "It was only *after* the soviet regime became unmistakably
    totalitarian that English intellectuals, in large numbers,
    began to show interest in it," Orwell wrote.  "Burnham,
    although the English Russophile intelligentsia would
    repudiate him, is really voicing their secret wish: the wish
    to destroy the old equalitarian version of Socialism and
    usher in a hierarchical society where the intellectual can
    at last get his hands on the whip."

    Message: 52883
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:40:02

    Why make it "compulsory" to do anything about pollution?  Better to allow
    the current trend toward cleaner cars to continue, by imposing costs of
    pollution on the drivers of the polluting vehicles.  Instead of not
    registering a car which does not pass emmisions, why not charge a fee from
    every drive based on their emmision levels?  The money could be directed
    toward cleanup.  If we must have government intervention, at least make it
    productive.
    By the way, I think if you do some research you'd find (as virtually all
    reputable scientists have) that we have enough oil to last well through the
    rest of your lifetime, and probably mine.  So spending large amounts of tax
    dollars on alternative energy forms which won't even be viable for many
    years is silly.
    I've seen several articles on alternative fuels which could be brought into
    production very quickly if the price of oil went high enough to allow them
    to compete (around $40 a barrel).

    Message: 52884
    Author: $ Peter Cervelli
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Imposters
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 22:07:41

    For once, I can say with one hundred percent certainty that the current wave
    of imposters is not James Taranto.

    Message: 52885
    Author: $ Peter Cervelli
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: The Imposter
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 22:12:14

    As it turns out, the person behind these unfunny imposters is Zak Woodruff.
    Petrisko was probably involved too.  Anyone needing proof can simply
    examine message #1520 on the Cosmos board and #52852 on this board.

    Message: 52886
    Author: Afro Poat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ESSAYS
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:13:17

    "Why is Mecham Mecham?" An Essay

    Evan Mecham is, by his own recognition, a member of the Mormon Church. That
    categorizes him as being a Mormon. The record of Mormon governors in the
    United States is not a very good one. Because there has never been a Mormon
    state governor, we can't tell what impact Mormonism has on the top office in
    a state. Taking the recent Mecham fiasco into context, we can examine
    several key points. Mecham's religion was the direct result of his downfall.
    Or rather, his religion caused his downfall. Mormonism expressly prohibits
    anyone from high office from thinking he is someone other than God.
    Therefore, to Mecham, he was God, is God and will always be God. The
    governor, while being God, is allowed to ridicule other members of the press
    and even other races and political parties, since after all, he is God.
    Hence the remarks about dissident Democrats, Pickinnies and Homosexuals. As
    long as Mecham is in Arizona, he will think he is God and will have absolute
    control over the will of all persons in this state. He must be exterminated
    like a cockroach, squashed into the ground by the foot of liberalism. Only
    that will change this conservative blockhead from a God-Mecham into an
    ordinary human.

    Message: 52887
    Author: Afro Poat
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: SKY
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:20:09

    Why is the sky blue? Many scientists have wondered why the sky is the color
    it is. Several hundred years ago, an Afghan refugee named Ab-Jackal Hara
    determined that the sky's color was inversely related to the number of water
    droplets present at 32,168 feet altitude. The minute quantity of water
    droplets permit light to enter but filter out the lighter rays, allowing
    blue and a mixture of violet and blue at higher altitudes. 600 years later
    Einstein improved on this theory, saying that since water is blue, the sky
    should be blue also. This has become known as Einstein's Great Law of
    Blueness. He reasoned that the sky's color is because of the ocean's color.
    Basically, water is the primary factor, not dust or oil or anything else
    floating above. You may ask, Then why are clouds white, since clouds are
    also water? Well the reason is, the density of a cloud is 84,180 times
    greater than the density of water vapor at 32,168 feet altitude. Due to this
    greater density, more light reflects from the droplet surfaces, and the
    cloud appears white. (Einstein's Second Theory of Meteroroligical Mechanics,
    Vol. II, Book 3, 1911.)

    Message: 52888
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ron Paul
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:36:44

      A friend took me to see Libertarian Presidential candidate Ron Paul
    speak at a Libertarian fund raiser in Scottsdale tonight and it was very
    interesting. Sam Steiger was there to introduce him, and made an excellent
    presentation himself. When he first looked out over the room (which was
    literally overflowing with an unexpectedly large crowd) Sam said, "Having
    been associated with this organization since 1982, I know that some of you
    people are impostors because there aren't this many Libertarians in the
    world!" This cracked up the audience and got the proceedings started on
    generally light-hearted note which prevailed almost throughout, but there
    was also some truth in the 'impostors' line which became evident later on.
      After Mr. Steiger had finished and introduced him, Mr. Paul spoke on
    the progress of the Libertarian campaign this year and went over the party
    platform for the benefit of any who did not already know it. He said that
    the outlook for Libertarians is much better in this election than ever
    before for a number of reasons. He said that George Bush and Michael
    Dukakis were very effectively recruiting Libertarians and that the longer
    they stay on the campaign trail the better the outlook. In addition, the
    IRS and the DEA are working overtime creating new Libertarians as fast
    as they can. A tax revolt in Utah produced more Libertarians at this years
    state convention than attended the last national convention.

    Message: 52889
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ron Paul 2
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:37:47

      He explained that there is currently a power struggle going on between
    the League of Women Voters and the two major parties for control of the
    presidential debates, and that this has opened up what he estimated as a
    50/50 chance that the Libertarian candidate may be included in those
    debates either by the League, or by whichever party fears them least.
      At the end of his speech he took questions from the audience and handled
    himself very well. He explained to questioners how the government could
    be returned to serving its intended functions and cease being the instrument
    by which one group or individual can plunder another in each of the
    situations posed.
      One small group of people kept asking essentially the same question
    over and over again in a slightly varied context:"Won't (insert horrible
    consequence here) happen if the government allows people the freedom to
    (insert presently illegal victimless activity here)?" Mr. Paul calmly
    addressed each question and tried to explain that by decriminalizing
    these choices the government would not be endorsing them, any more than
    it is endorsing every idea or activity that is allowed freedom of
    expression today.

    Message: 52890
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ron Paul 3
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:38:41

      As the question and answer session ended, Sam Steiger took over and
    made a very strong point with the crowd by using the vocal prohibitionist
    group as an example. He pointed to them and said that it was a strong
    measure of how far government had overstepped its bounds when people had
    grown so accustomed to being told what to do at every step that they
    can not conceive of something which is neither prohibited nor promoted
    by it. They are an example of why the idea of taking responsibility for
    one's own actions must be taught to America all over again.
      After this the meeting broke up into simultaneous discussions around
    the room and the prohibitionist group established themselves near Mr. Paul
    and the group he was talking to and began handing out leaflets and preaching
    and arguing so that it was difficult to hear Mr. Paul speak. His aide soon
    told him that they had to leave for Tucson and he began working his way out
    of the room.
      I walked along with him and we discussed his recent book, "Freedom Under
    Siege". I told him that I thought it was very effective and that it made
    the Libertarian platform somewhat..I searched for a diplomatic phrase for
    a second..and he went straight to the truth: "less radical."
      See You Later,
         Dean H. (unofficial political correspondent for Apollo Eyewitness News)

    Message: 52891
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:50:16

    Thanks for the report, Dean.  I was going to see Ron Paul here in San Diego,
    but it was during finals week.  I've heard that Paul doesn't handle himself
    well in debates (and handled his Firing Line appearance particularly badly),
    so it's interesting to hear another perspective.

    Message: 52892
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cervelli/imposters
    Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:54:38

    I suspect you're right.  In any case, it's clear it wasn't JT, because the
    humor of JT's messages derive from his mimicry of the person's writing
    style and ideas.  This person failed to do that, and it seems only tried to
    in Cliff's case.  Not too good an attempt.
    Taranto's best work was his Mark Addkins.

    Message: 52893
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: Sanyo PC/XT
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 00:42:02

            Brand New Sanyo 16 Plus computers...
            512 K Ram, Serial & Printer port, 4.77 & 8MHz, 360 K Teac Drive,
            Hercules TTL Graphics (Compatible) adapter
            MS-DOS 3.2 and GW-BASIC, One YEAR warrantee
            This in not some off brand... SANYO is a world wide major brand.

            $price to move....  List 799.00.....  My Price $499.00

    Message: 52894
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 01:25:57

    Perhaps you're not aware that a General Motors team just set the world speed
    record for an electric powered vehicle in Mesa at the Desert Proving
    Grounds. Research on electric, as well as turbine powered vehicles is
    ongoing at all the big three auto manufacturers. I don't think that there
    are any breakthroughs around the corner (particularly with regard to elecric
    vehicles) that will allow a car to be manufactured that is as practical as
    those that we currently drive.

    As for diesels, don't believe what you hear about them polluting less; they
    are major polluters.

    GM computers generally are not repaired. If one fails, you bring it to the
    dealership where you exchange it for a rebuilt one. They aren't really that
    expensive, and their reliability record is impressive.

    Message: 52895
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Turbine cars
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 07:24:45

    I remember that Chrysler had one back in the late 60's.  It had an
    infinitely variable differential, too.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 52896
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/pollution
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:37:40

    Compulsory? How I hate that word, but something must be done and it
    certainly shouldn't be only up to the vehicle owners. Sure, Detroit is
    supposedly working on cleaner cars all the time, but never for a minute do I
    not think they already have such a thing and will put it to use when they
    have to. They will get every bit of profit they can squeeze out of what they
    have now - in the mean time, polluting. Why should they hurry for cleaner
    cars when it is so profitable or more economical ones when there is such a
    demand for parts? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52897
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Dean/Ron Paul
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:41:33

    Thanks for sharing your meeting with him. Sounds very interesting. I read a
    small article in the paper this morning and it said in part -- "Paul favors
    such measures as phasing out Social Security, eliminating the personal
    income tax and the 'ruthless' Internal Revenue Service, legalizing drugs to
    remove the profit motive and using the armed forces for legitimate defense
    reather than 'policing the world'"! I will vote for him! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52898
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/cars again
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:59:12

    I don't think General Motors will do much of anything unless they have to.
    Glad you told me about diesel fuel polluting. Hardly anyone will admit that.
    We can see on our streets any day of the week busses, semis, church busses
    and even soom cars beltching out that black gunk that will almost fumigate
     you if your in their line of fire. Common sense tells you it will and
    does pollute. Maybe not as bad, but shouldn't we be looking for something
    that does't pollute at all or very very little?
    Re: the computer in cars --- your car won't work without it - you have to
    take it out. How many people can do that? Have the knowledge? Then what?
    Call someone to come out at great expense to take it out, test is, fix it
    and bring it back?! You can't go to the local parts store and get one. At
    least, not that I know of. My point was - it is getting harder and harder to
    be that 'shade tree' mechanic. Owning a car means formitable expense and
    getting worse, not better. The cars are getting better, but we are at the
    mercy of the mechanics, plus the insurance companies, plus the parts stores,
    plus Detroit. I know of several people that go up to Prescott to get their
    license tags so they won't have to have a smog devise or emissions testing,
    plus, they use cheaper, reg. gas. I don't approve - but some of them can't
    afford it otherwise. Actually, I have no argument in what you are saying,
    but feel something must be done more than they are slowly doing it now. We
    are ruining out enviorment at a steady pace. Don't you agree with that? See
    you. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52899
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Nick/cars
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:57:09

        I wasn't aware that there were different emission standards for
    different model years.  For comparison, what are the limits for a later
    model car?
        I do admit that my '68 Chevy gets lousy gas mileage, and I will replace
    it within the next 6 months or so.  With any luck, anyway.  Old Chevy's are
    durable, but 186,000 miles is a little much even so.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52900
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Libertarians
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 10:07:33

       I have sort of a love/hate relationship with this group.  I agree with a
    lot of what they say.  No one can question that the government is too
    intrusive and spends too much of our money.
       On the other hand, I don't go along with their feelings on deregulation.
    The vast majority of companies operate in a short-term profit mode.  If
    given the chance, they will cut corners in any way possible to increase this
    quarter's profits.  This includes things like grossly inadquate fire-safety
    systems in buildings (remember the MGM Grand Hotel?) or selling flavored
    sugar water as apple juice for babies (Beechnut).  Sure there are civil
    suits, but most companies reason (1) "it won't happen to me", (2) "we can
    spend more on lawyers than they can," (3) "it'll just hurt the corporate
    assets -- I'll just go work somewhere else."
       When a court can order someone to bring a person they killed back to
    life, I will have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarians.  Until then, I
    would rather see the person not killed in the first place.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52901
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: ADS Software
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 11:34:31

            Inventory, Payroll Accounts Payable, Private Membership Clubs
    by ADS  ... was $495.00 per modual...now $10.00 each!!!

    Also some EXCALIBUR series business applications software.....
    Order Entry, Counter Sales, Depreciation....  $10.00 Each!

    This is all IBM type software

    Available at Gemini Computer.... for a very short time however.

    Message: 52902
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Cars
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 12:01:09

      If you were General Motors and had developed a practical non-polluting
    vehicle would you A. Keep it a secret until someone else had developed one
    and marketed it (making all your research a waste of money), or B. market it
    and reap the rewards of a whole new niche in the market that no one else was
    prepared to compete in?
      See you later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 52903
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: DEan/Detroit
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 17:38:18

    Sorry, but I cannot believe that Detroit does not have something better
    already! Probablly many things. In the early 1960s, my husband knew a man
    back in Wyoming that created something for the carborator that increased gas
    millage by 50% He took it to some big company in Detroit - they bought it
    from him, and it's not been heard of since. Because he sold the rights,
    nothing could be done. Too bad it was so long ago because the guy is dead
    now. He couldn't even use it on his own car legally after he sold it - and
    they came to Wyoming to check up on him too! I've heard a lot of stories
    like this one over the years - many sound crack pot, but some do not.
    No, I do not believe that if they had something, they would put it out at
    this time because they know exactly what the other car companies have or do
    not have. They are simply making too much profit as it is - why rock the
    boat? If they are forced to, then they will. I remember when the car
    companies were screeming bloody murder because they claimed they couldn't
    come up with a catalytic converter. But they were forced to. It wasn't too
    efective for awhile, but they got it working. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52904
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:35:01

      Orwell points out Burnham's catastrophic series of wrong
    predictions - that Germany would not attack Russia until
    after defeating Britain (1940), that Germany would defeat
    Russia and break up (1942), that Russia would gang up with
    Japan against the United States (1944), and that Russia
    would dominate all Germany (later in 1944).
      "It will be seen that at each point Burnham is predicting
    a *continuation of the thing that is happening*.  Now the
    tendancy to do this is not simply a bad habit like
    inaccuracy or exaggeration, which one can correct by taking
    thought.  It is a major mental disease, and its roots lie
    partly in cowardice and partly in the worship of power,
    which is not fully separable from cowardice.
      "So long as they are winning," Orwell concluded, "Burnham
    seems to have seen nothing wrong with the methods of the
    Nazis.  Such methods, he says, only appear wicked because
    they are new....  This implies that literally anything can
    become right or wrong if the dominant class of the moment
    wills it.  It ignores the fact that certain rules of conduct
    have to be observed if human society is to be held together
    at all.  Burnham, therefore, was unable to see that the
    crimes and follies of the Nazi regime *must* lead by one
    route or another to disaster.  So also with his new-found
    admiration for Stalinism....  The huge everlasting slave

    Message: 52905
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:56:20

    empire of which Burnham appears to dream will not be
    established, or if established will not endure, because
    slavery is no longer a stable basis for human society."

    Message: 52906
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 19:41:25

    I've heard a lot of those stories about people creating cars that get two
    hundred miles to the gallon and so on, but I've never heard a shred of
    evidence for them.  It's rather silly; as Dean said, a car company would
    love to sell such a car, because they would capture nearly the entire
    market right away.  Going for those short term profits, I guess.

    Message: 52907
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Cars
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 21:38:22

      It must have taken a lot of self control for the automakers to let
    themselves take huge losses and layoffs and come to the brink of bankrupcy
    (and beyond for Chrysler) when all they had to do was trot out a few of
    the supercars collecting dust in the secret warehouses. You really have to
    admire that kind of dedication to an ideal.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 52908
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Peter Cervelli
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:18:14

    I deny.  Any similarity in message content is surely designed to implicate
    me.  This becomes clearer when you examine the time the messages were
    written.

    Message: 52909
    Author: King Sparta
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: center city bbs
    Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:47:11

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    --------------------------------

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    Back Up For More Than 6 Months It'S
    Just Going Fine.

    Most Users Are Uploading To The BBS
    And The Upload/DownLoad Area Is Filling Up.

    If You Have Not Called For Some Time
    You Might Like To Try The BBS Out.
    Not Only Do We Have A Large Hard Drive
    (60 Megs) For Uploading And DownLoading
    We Also HAve A Large Message Base Area.
    Most Message Bases Will Hold 250
    Messages. Message Bases With Other
    BBS'S We Also Have The BBS NetWorked
    Now, To Other BBS'S From Georgia,
    Los Angles, Montana, And Other BBS's Across The Nation!

    206-537-4316 300/1200/2400

    Message: 52910
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: LapTop SANYO
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:34:48

            Worlds smallest and lightest 640K PC/XT with two drives, 80 X 24 LCD
    display laptop computer.... (or so Sanyo Claims)
            This baby is loaded... RGB port, Serial Port, and Printer port,
    MS-DOS 3.2 and more......
            Well, I have one to show anyone that is interested.  I will have it
    till Monday night, before I must (sniff) return it.
            The Sanyo as described above lists for 1599.00 but for users here
    who want a new one in the box, My special will be $1140.00 for a limited
    time.

            Hurry up and stop by for a look....  As you know, I won't have my
    store for much longer, but will still be selling Sanyo Computer Products.
    And I had better mention SERVICE too!

    Cliff

    Message: 52911
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:48:39

    Big business does not usually hold back developments until it is necessary
    to market them. For example, Chrysler met the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel
    Economy) standard of 27.5 MPG before any of the other automakers. You may
    remember GM and Ford asked for extensions to meet the standard. Iacocca
    argued that Chrysler was able to meet the standards, so the others should as
    well. GM and Ford got their extensions, but Chrysler benefited from the
    publicity. It benefits both the consumer and the manufacturer when product
    developments are put into production as soon as practical.

    Automobile computers need not be available at local auto parts stores for
    them to be easy to find. All GM computers are alike -- only the PROM is
    different from model to model. Any GM dealer can supply you with a new
    computer for any GM car, and any idiot can replace a GM computer in about 10
    minutes. Like I said before, computer failures are rare, so this shouldn't
    be of great concern anyway.

    Why are your friends putting regular gas in their (presumably) catalytic
    converter equipped cars? Have they no concern for the environment?

    Message: 52912
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:50:04

    Emissions maximums are tied to model years, but I don't have the figures
    here in front of me.

    Message: 52913
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:35:43

    I think a lot to do with the emissions is the year, and mainly what type of
    gas the vehicle takes.

    I think the current levels for new cars are 300 ppm/HC, and 3.0%/CO.

    Message: 52914
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dear/car companies
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:27:09

    Why should they when they can get government funding? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52915
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick on car co.
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:41:32

    If the car companies have the consumer in mind, how come they change sizes
    of bolts, nuts, parts constantly? For instance - on my car, when my husband
    wanted to get a top for it (the sun roof)- he found out a new one cost $500,
    so he went to a used parts place and got one for $100 that was for a 1984
    model. They were exactly the same size but they had moved the bolt holes
    over 1/4 inch - he couldn't drill for a new hole because there was no place
    to do so. There also was no reason for the car company to do such a thing
    except to make you buy a new one, knowing that Vette parts are hard to come
    by. He had to buy a new one! If you fix cars, then you know this is common
    practice. It isn't only the corvettes!
    As far as the people I know not using their catalytic converters and going
    up to Prescott to get their tags --- as I said, some do it to save money -
    some because their cars don't work well with the converter on them and some
    just plain don't care for the invironment. They do have a point though - if
    they arn't making the Snowbirds do it - what is one more car? However, I
    would not do it because the little bit it does help is better than nothing.
    But some of the Snowbirds I know stay as long as 9 months! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52916
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 16:08:23

    The example of the relocation of the bolt holes on the roof of the Corvette
    is not that common of an occurence. There were some upgrades to the security
    system in the '85 model, as well as changes made in the fastening system
    itself to facilitate easier removal/attachment of the roof. The latter was
    in response to customer complaints. Manufacturers have better options to
    increase profits than to pay engineering staffs to relocate bolt holes, and
    then pay subcontractors to retool for the altered part. It would be far
    easier to simply increase the price of the car by $1.00 than to do what you
    suggest they are doing. Not that many people have the need to purchase new
    roofs for their Corvettes. It sort of reminds of the rumor that was
    circulating that the automakers employ professional car thieves to steal
    specific models in order to stimulate sales.

    Message: 52917
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:16:10

    All I know is that my husband has been complaining about that for the 20
    years we have been married. He has restored 12 cars in that period. All I
    know is what he tells me and I consider him an expert on the subject. He has
    worked on vehicles all of his life from tractors to semis. Me - I won't even
    drive my car in a race with you! Ha! I just said what he's saying is all.
    Plus he said the Corvettes were the worse he's come across. Ta ta.
    =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52918
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: BLaser Printers
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 18:14:23

            BLASER Star 1.5 with 1.5 MEG RAM  Epson & HP emulation  $1639.00

            BLASER STAR 2 with 1 MEG RAM Serial & Parallel $1591.00

    I know what you're thinking...  What is Cliff doing with LASER printers
    when he is going out of business???  Well, A friendly distributor droped
    them off to me in hopes I could use them as a "Draw" item...  They are
    honestly good deals......

    SYSOP Cliff

    Message: 52919
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: For sale
    Subject: IBM Color Monitor
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 18:16:05

            I have one used IBM brand color monitor with CGA card... for only
    $299.00 complete!   No Sales TAX on this used item...

    Cliff

    Message: 52920
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hi
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 22:03:11

    This is not really JT.  This is Zak Woodruff.  You can tell, because this is
    such a stupid message.

    Message: 52921
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:32:29

      The article called *Second Thoughts on James Burnham*
    provides an interesting footnote to *1984*, for a number of
    critics have attacked Orwell precisely because of the
    apparent hopelessness of his last novel.  Apart from the
    fact that these critics are usually the ones who speak with
    defensive belligerence in favor of a "good story" and a
    "satisfying ending," one has only to read the bulk of
    Orwell's books to see how unwarranted the accusation is.  In
    one of his earliest works, A Clergyman's Daughter* (1935),
    he wrote that "the sense of futility" is "the subtlest
    weapon of the devil" and concluded "the solution to her
    difficulty lay in accepting the fact there was no solution;
    that if one gets on with the job that lies to hand, the
    ultimate purpose of the job fades into insignificance; that
    faith and no faith are very much the same provided that one
    is doing what is customary, useful and acceptable."  In *The
    Road to Wigan Pier* (1937), he declared that "the job of the
    thinking person is not to reject Socialism but to humanize
    it," to concentrate on the two essential facts, one "that
    the interests of all exploited people are the same; the
    other, that Socialism is compatible with common decency."
    In *The Lion and the Unicorn*, he outlined his hopes for
    England, and in *Animal Farm* he warned of the dangers that
    could betray them.  In his essays he criticized not only

    Message: 52922
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Freidrich
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:34:00

    Burnham's power worship but Arthur Koestler's "tract
    purporting to show that revolutionary creeds are
    rationalizations of neurotic impulses."

    Message: 52923
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:50:26

            The Green House Effect is nothing to worry about, it is just Mother
    Nature's way of correcting her mistakes.

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