### Apollo BBS Archive - June 4, 1990

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    Message: 767
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Filmography
    Subject: Total Rekall
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 00:42:13

    Pretty good, but I felt as though something was missing.  Didn't seem to
    mesh to me.  But pretty good over all.  3 out of 4 stars.

    Message: 768
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Review
    Subject: Total Recall
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 07:47:50

    I don't share Jeff's enthusiasm for this movie. The plot was transparent,
    and Arnold's "acting" leaves something to be desired. It has many scenes
    of graphic and gratuitous violence, some serious technical flaws. On the
    other hand, the special effects were spectacular and extremely well done.
    The makeup artists do deserve an Oscar for this movie. The premise of
    the story was promising and would have made an exceptional plot line if
    allowed to develop. Unfortunately, the writers decided to make this movie
    a shoot-em-up just after the opening scenes, so the main plot device was
    abandoned, except for a brief period mid-may in the movie.

    Message: 769
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Review
    Subject: Total Recall
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 16:36:38

         I had to see this on opening night.  They had trivia questions and gave
    away tee-shirts to correct answerers.  I got a button.  Then they showed a
    Bugs Bunny/Tasmanian Devil cartoon.  The crowd was getting anxious.
         Then Totall Recall started.  Here are a few comments.
         Hmm.  First the pros.  This is an extravaganza.  You're looking at
    60-80 million dollars worth of moviemaking.  It's definitely not boring,
    anyway.  Second, the screenplay is based on a Philip K. Dick story (yeah
    yeah, you know) and the movie is directed by Robocop's Paul Verhoeven.  When
    the plot twists, it twists good.  There is lots and lots to see, and if you
    suspend your critical faculties a little bit, and don't have too weak a
    stomach, this should be a rip-roaring chunk o' fun.
         Now the cons.  Jeesh, you would think that with $80 million dollars,
    they could make the Mars scenes look a BIT less like models.  Especially
    that little train -- the words "Tyco" and "Lionel" pop to mind.  When you
    actually sit down and try to think about the plot, it doesn't take long to
    realize that there's too much skeleton and not enough meat.  Can an
    oxygenated Mars sustain life so far from the sun?  (oop)  You be the judge.
    After a while, the "surprises" go too far - was that CHUCKY from Child's
    Play hiding under that man's shirt?  Get that baby some tissue, he's got
    snot all over his face. Meanwhile, why are Arnie and his tough female friend
    (a good character) CASUALLY STROLLING down the walkway of the reactor?
    "Sorry, we knew you were dying, but the scenery was BREATHTAKING."  What was
    that indented HAND at the end?  Is that an ON button?  Does it take a
    SPECIAL hand to operate, or will any ol' 4 or 5 fingered hand do?

    Message: 770
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Review
    Subject: More Totall Recall
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 16:48:58

         Those are just a few questions.  More;  Where did Arnie get that HEAD?
    Now this time I'm not spoiling anything, because you've all seen the
    multi-purpose Rubik's Cube woman's head in the commercials.  Where does a
    lowly 2084 construction worker get a piece of specially created high
    technology like that?  WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION?  And why does she say "Get
    ready for a surprise?"  Is that Divine?  That would be surprising, but
    otherwise it was expected after seeing it in the commercial.  Hmm.  What
    else?  Oh yes, the ending.  Nick Ianuzzi already criticized that.
          Otherwise, this is still a lot of fun.  It's a bit long, but what the
    heck.  Here's what you get (In Joe Bob Briggs fashion):  futuristic tough
    female fu, eyeball boings, mutated dwarfs, faces, arms 'n boobs, human
    target practice, arms a slicin', about 300 climaxes, and Ronny Cox playing
    the exact same role he played in Robocop.  (Other Robocopisms:  Arnie goes
    to a deserted building area right after he learns he has a secret past).

         Blah, blah, blah.  Go see this fun movie.

    Message: 771
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Bird on a Wire
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 16:49:53

         Have you seen the advertisements for this movie where Mel Gibson is
    standing behind Goldie Hawn and she has her mouth open as if she's
    surprised?  Doesn't she look like a blow-up doll?

    Message: 772
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Review
    Subject: The Cook, The Thief,
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 16:53:32

    The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover (or whatever)

         What a joke.  This is supposed to be offensive, it's not even
    interesting.  There is some nifty symbolism (sure) in that people's clothes
    change color when the enter different areas (red in the dining area of the
    restaurant, pristine white in the bathroom, green in the kitchen), and there
    are some interesting sets and costumes.  But otherwise this is just a stupid
    piece o' poop.  I don't even want to go into it.
         Needless to say, my companions and I walked out and got refunds.
    Thank "Bob."

    Message: 773
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Review
    Subject: Bill and Ted's
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 18:27:19

    Excellent Adventure.
    After countless recommendations, I saw the video this weekend.  It was
    ok, mostly dumb kid stuff but worth a buck fifty to see what all the
    commotion was about.
    Zak - I can't believe you walked out!  What part?  Some friends of mine
    went to see it Sunday and they, well, didn't enjoy it, but liked it.  Of
    course, these people also liked Billy's Iguana.

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    Message: 66219
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: VARIOUS
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 00:26:57

    LAST:  Yes, now that communism is on the way out, Big Brother needs 'drug
    dealers' more than ever.  There has to be an 'evil threat' to rally the
    people.  'Gun Nuts' may be the next rallying cry.

    GUN DEBATE:  I see no logical reason why guns should be banned.  As someone
    else said, people run over people with cars - does that mean we should ban
    cars?  Which is worse - a 'gun nut' or an 'anti-gun nut'?  A nut is a nut,
    and going nuts doesn't help anyone.

    COCAINE BABIES:  Nothing like a little propaganda to get 'ya started in the
    morning, eh Bob?

    COPS:  Anyone catch the show "Cops" on saturday?  It featured a sting
    operation nicknamed "Trojan Horse", after, as one cop explained "the Greeks
    and the big wooden thing they used to infiltrate".  One cop drove an RV.  He
    was dressed like a long-haired freak.  Six or so cops sat in the back of the
    mobile home.  The driving cop would pull over in a slum neighborhood and ask
    the young black males standing there, "You got a dime, man?"  As the young
    black males tried to sell the cop marijuana, the other six cops would rush
    out the side of the RV and jump the kid.  During the course of the show,
    they arrested eight or so young black males.  Your tax dollars at work!
         Back at the station, the driving cop asked a 16-year old how many
    times he had been arrested.  The kid said, "Four times."  The cop, in all

    Message: 66220
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CONT.
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 00:31:31

    wisdom, replied, "Looks like you better find another line of work!"  Yeah, I
    hear McDonald's starts at $500 a week these days.

    RHETORIC:  After reading through the messages on this board, I nominate
    "yellow bellied" as the Apollo Catch Phrase.  It was used a few dozen times
    by a number of users and doesn't appear to be losing any popularity.

    QUESTION:  Where is Zak Woodruff?

    GUN SAFETY MEET:  I got called into work on my day off.  Two people quit in
    the last week so I ended up working 50 hours.  Sorry.

    Message: 66221
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 07:33:56

    Don't change the subject. I think you REALLY do believe the Constitution
    is God-inspired. Go ahead, deny it.

    Message: 66222
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Christian
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 07:36:33

    Yes, that's what Christianity is all about. Oh, they'll know we are
    Christians by our hate, by our hate, yes, they'll know we are Christians
    by our hate.

    Message: 66223
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mr. Carter
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 08:58:26

            Mike, Cliff has pretty well summed up how I feel regarding your
    posts.  I don't disagree with your gun control position at all.  In
    fact, they are very much my own.
            What I do object to is the way you choose to express yourself.
    And I object to that for a reason you might not have considered.  The
    language, metaphors, allusions, and illusions actually don't bother me
    a bit.  In fact, I find them kind of amusing at times.  I don't even
    object to my son hearing or reading such language.
            The thing I object to is the way you corrupt civil discourse.  You
    see, I want my sons to grow up believing that it is possible for
    individuals to, in the words of Evan Mecham (YIKES!), "disagree without
    being disagreeable."  You might consider me to be in a "milk and
    toasties with honey" dream world for holding this wish, but that, not
    guns and macho "I can do whatever I want and you can't do a damn thing
    about it" attitudes, is what the Constitution -- and Apollo -- are
    REALLY built on.
            In all the years I've been on Apollo, I don't think I've EVER seen
    you disagree with someone on a friendly basis.  THIS is what I object
    to.
            I'll not be [S]kipping any of your posts, Mike.  I want to see if
    you're mature enough to recognize when you're wrong and modify your
    behavior so civil discourse can continue on this board.
            Puke away, babe.

    Message: 66224
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thanks, Cliff!
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 08:59:24

    Thanks, Cliff.  I know we can be a pain, but we appreciate your
    efforts.

    Message: 66225
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 09:16:04

    Thanks for the gun low down of other countries. I find it strange that in
    England the citizens, under certain conditions may own guns, yet the police
    cannot carry guns??! Am I wrong?

    Also, do you know if these other countries that you mentioned have a major
    problem with drugs, dealers and gangs that we do? It seems that in this day
    and age, we need our guns more than ever for protection when needed. The
    police completely have their hands tied and certainly do not prevent crime
    in the least. Our courts let harden criminals off on stupid technicalitys
    thanks to shiester lawyers that are ruining a good system for mucho bucks.
    If you have any statistics on any of this, please post it. Thanks.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 66226
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hans Glans
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 10:19:45

    Re:  What is the best weapon for self defense...

    Good Question there Hans....  Okay, here goes nothing, but I will try to
    answer.  First off, your best defense is your brain and your feet....
    At the school I go to, they teach you a color code of awarness, and about
    JDLR.   If you are aware of your surroundings, you are less likely to fall
    into a JDLR (Just Dosn't Look Right).  However, should you be in condition
    'white' (the lowest) and walk into trouble, try using your feet to escape if
    at all possible.  Forget about the MACHO image, even if you should be
    carrying a weapon.  It is your DUTY to look for another out!

            They really stress this line of thought...  the more training one
    gets in weapons, the LESS likely they are to use one.  Self defense does not
    mean KILLING anyone.... it means SURVIVING an encounter.  Idiots like that
    M.M. guy on this board would rather have you be ignorant in such matters and
    if you take such educational training... you are a 'Gun Nut'.

    I hope I answerd your Question Mr. Glans

    P.S.  Some of the students in USMA's classes are Lawyers, Police, Judges,
    Doctors and Men of the Cloth.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 66227
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dog on Revolver
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 10:27:21

            Is this what Hans Glans ment?   If you should happen to get cornered
    and you are facing deadly force and in fear of your life.... then a good
    double-action (4 inch prefered) is your most reliable weapon.  Dog said it
    well...   but I did not want to say it as this is the LAST resort to self
    defense.  Also knowing how to use it is a big plus, so you don't hurt
    someone else by mistake.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 66228
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on England
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 10:41:31

            We at USMA have two students that fly in once or twice a year to
    take a course or two on self defense.  Next time they are here in the
    states, they are suppose to come over to our place.
            Did you know these two well educated English men are worried about
    the garbage and un-truths the anti-gun nuts are spreading (as they say)
    "over in the states"

    Message: 66229
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger/Christians
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 11:07:37

            I don't know what you are babbling about, but Christians are not
    'hateful' as a group.  You have your right and left wing factions, as you do
    with any group.  However, you self proclaimed Agnostic Christians (sic) are
    not Christians.... So, as I said, I have no idea as to your 'babble'.  From
    you Roger, I expected better posts, that one was DUMB!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 66230
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David Nixon
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 12:06:58

    Are you any relation to Gary Nixon?

    Daryl
    (Ps 130:5-6)

    Message: 66231
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: $tatus users only
    Subject: Cliff/Middleton
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 12:16:07

    Don't worry, he can't say two words to me without using the word "MANDATORY"
    (a long story, stemming from some posts between us some time back on Jesus'
    words about baptism).

    Message: 66232
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Constitution
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 12:25:05

    Agreed. Laws are kept or overturned on the basis of their Constitutionality.
    Amendments to the Constitution are, also. Amendments are designed to enhance
    and not detract from our Constitutional rights.

    I do not own a gun, and I could not tell you for sure if I even intend to.
    Possibly in the future, for defense of my family. If I do get one, I plan on
    taking extensive training courses. But because I do have one, nor express
    any urgent desire to own one, I do not feel that I should infringe upon
    another's right to own one.

    Daryl
    (Isa 40:31)

    Message: 66233
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: cliff on defense
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 12:41:04

    Good advice, Cliff. It isn't often that I agree with you on guns, but I
    really agree with you on this one (watch, Cliff is going to re-evaluate
    his position). The reason I'm saying this, is because of the terrible
    accident that occurred maybe 20 or so years ago in Phoenix when a father
    killed his son entering a darkened house through a back window. If that man
    had followed Cliff's advice, that tragedy would have never occurred. Yes,
    we need to protect ourselves, but we also need to be educated in
    self-defense.

    Message: 66234
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/question
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 14:22:05

    Well I can tell you a lot about the fight on drugs in germany, I lived there
    most of my life. I do have some facts on other countries.
    A few years ago germany had the same problem with heroin as the US has today
    with cocaine. The way they solved it goes like this:
    First of they did not throw users into jail for becoming addictted to
    something, they offered them free medical care and rehabilitation, at
    absolutly no cost. There are no street gangs selling dope in germany to the
    best of my knowledge, or atleast they are not organized enough to hear about
    them. The reason the german government can offer free medical care and drug
    rehabilitation, is because germany is a social democrocy, I am talking about
    west germany now, not east germany. In the way that system is set up the
    medical insurance is deducted from your pay just like taxes. I worked in
    germany for a number of years before coming to the US, and my total payroll
    deductions, including medical,unempoyment,and social security innsurance
    never exceded what I pay in the US just for taxes and social security. The
    system must work, since w.germany now is totally financing e. germany, and
    they are not broke yet. The only reason I stated all of this extra
    information, is to prove one pf my points, you have to reorganize at the
    bottom of society, not start at the top. There still is a drug problem in
    germany, but in noway as extensive a in the US. Another thing I have rarly
    seen in germany and to the best of my knowledge are homeless people, which I
    think is on of the biggest digraces our country has seen in a long time.
    I noway am I stating I dont like the US of A, I love this country dearly, I
    did my part to serve, obviously since I am a Honorably discharged CONTnext

    Message: 66235
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/question/Part2
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 14:26:34

    Disabled Veteran, and I would still willingly defend this country without
    question. I stated this since I do not want to be branded as a commie, like
    some people on this board like to do to you if they dont agree with you. I
    think the united states of america should come down from their high horse
    for once and see that other nations in this world have decent ideas on how
    to run a country. We do not hold the patent on the only road to freedom.
    Well 've got to go now I'll tell you some more later if you are intrested
       THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66237
    Author: Jeff Bohn
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: BBS
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 15:03:00

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    Message: 66238
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: HEY LOUDMOUTHS!
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 17:06:06

         So you all think you're right about your beliefs, huh?  Right on the
    money, eh?  Sure.
         Does anyone want to try to defend their arguments from other than
    behind the wimpy safe console of a computer terminal?  I dare you, you
    wimps.

        That is to say, would anyone like to participate in televised debates?
    I am looking for willing participants to discuss issues such as gun control,
    abortion, drug legalization and the existence of God, not to mention Arizona
    politics (or world politics for that matter).  The setting is formal and
    relaxed.  There is no money involved; this is a volunteer for fun operation.

         Got balls?  Give me a call.

         Zak

    Message: 66239
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Mann/educated?
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 17:25:36

            No Roger, I am not going to re-evaluate my position on self-defense
    and the education that everyone should have.  It is sad and sickening
    when an accident happens. Education could prevent many of such accidents.
    A father shooting a son has got to be one of the saddest.
            Last year a elderly man backing into his garage, crushed his wife to
    death.  A month or so ago a truck driver crushed his wife against a loading
    dock....  All accidents are sad and the saddest seem to be when a person
    kills a member of their own family.

            My point is, ACCIDENTS do happen...  we can't outlaw ever item used
    in such accidents, or there will be NOTHING left for humans to do.  Better
    education can fix some of them...  there will still be accidents when you
    have a fallible human in charge of any tool or machine.

            Roger...  I was very surprised that you agreed with my post..most
    pleased in fact.  I figured you never read my posts anymore when you saw the
    word...GUN or WEAPON.   Thanks!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 66240
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: War!
    Subject: Miz Dee and....
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 17:46:55

            "Squeaky Clean" is the buzz word,  NO 'sexual' related words is what
    you said.

            So Miz Dee, what should we do about message number 66238?  Just
    because he is a friend of yours, are you not going to lam-blast him?

    *=* the 'Squeaky Clean' Apollo Sysop *=*     <-barf, I don't believe it!

    P.S.  You have not 'cleaned' up your post 66183 ?????

    Message: 66241
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/question/cont.p3
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 19:38:25

    Sorry for the space between messages had to do some urgent work. let me
    continue.  There is crime in germany though, but most of the crimes are not
    comitted with firearms since laws are very harsh concerning crimes that
    involve a firearm or any kind of weapon in germany the difference is that
    you are guilty until proven inocent. That goes for crimes were you are
    actually apprehended whilest commiting the crime. You see, if they catch you
    red handed, no lawyer is going to get you out of doing time. They also dont
    have a bail system. All this has its good and bad points, but believe me if
    you commited a crime and are caught, you are going to do time in germany.
    If we in the US could just take one of those things, and my favorite is
    socilized medicine, we could save millions of people for finacial ruin every
    year. The same goes for drug addicts, most will not go for treatment in the
    US, because they just plain cant afford it, thats the bottomline here, WE
    have to stop trying to make a buck of the missery of other people, and shoul
    d try and have a little more compation towards our fellow human beings. I
    think we could make medical insurance government funded and not go broke
    over it, other countries in this world are doing it, why cant we, we're
    supposetly a superpower, I think we should begin to prove that at home, not
    the rest of the world. Lets feed our hungry and cure our sick before we cure
    others. Thats what is going to have to happen here, if we want to bring our
    beloved US of A back to what it once was. We should show the world what we
    cant do. Make peace not war. That does not make me an antigun nut, I own one
    , I learned how to use it correctly, and I think everybody should have the
    right to own a firearm.  Well thats all folks   THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66242
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 19:46:44

            You say you learned to use a firearm correctly?  Where did you learn
    this?  What school and in what state?   Even when one learns, he should
    brush up on his skill to keep it up to date.  I have attended several BASIC
    law classes to try and get all that data sunk in my thick head.  Of course,
    the place I am going, teaches ARIZONA law on weapons and self defense.
    If you have not been to a law and weapon Basic class in Arizona, how about
    next time it comes around... we attend?

    clif-

    Message: 66243
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Masx
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 20:13:53

    Re:  "How about
    baseball, how many people get killed because they are bashed over the head
    with a baseball bat."

    Sorry about the extra "s" in Max; my finger slipped.

    Baseball bats?  Come to think of it, they (government) did ban those karate
    things, numchucks?  I think the average person could do a lot more damage
    with a baseball bat then with numchakus (sp)?  Maybe we should outlaw
    baseball bats?  I wonder how strong the baseball bat lobby is?

    Did you notice that the last paragraph is all questions?

    Huh?

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 66244
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 20:20:18

    Re:  "Substitute the word, 'DRUG' for Communism and/or Jew and you will
    begin to understand what is really happening."

    You'll have to spell that one out for me Rod; I don't understand it.

    Message: 66245
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 20:29:23

    Re:  "Disabled Veteran"

    I'm confused.  If you are from Germany, how is it you are a disabled vet?
    Or are you a German vet?  Just curious.

    Message: 66246
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad max, answer clif
    Date: 06/04/90  Time: 20:50:41

    He was in the military. One could assume that is where he got the training.

    s

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