### Apollo BBS Archive - October 15, 1988

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    Message: 4499
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 00:00:36

    Rod, I hate to break the news to you...

    Locksmithing isn't that hard.  If you and James Hawley can do it, anyone
    can.  (Don't get your feelings hurt, James, but you are the one who messed
    up the rocket.)

    Message: 4500
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: More for Rod
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 00:02:18

    If you believe that pot is healthy, then you must also believe that there is
    a conspiracy among the best qualified doctors in the country who insist that
    pot is unhealthy.

    Message: 4501
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: locksmithing
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 01:36:09

    Locksmithing, especially the use of picks and such, is an art. It requires
    intuitive skills, not loads of book knowledge. It probably would be easy for
    the average person to acquire the textbook knowledge to practice
    locksmithing, but many could not master it.

    Message: 4502
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/#4498
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:44:46

    You have confused me with someone else. I believe in pot and that we should
    be able to grow it legally. Remember? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 4503
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 06:22:42

    Your inability to read does not make the world illiterate.

    Message: 4504
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: TODD
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 13:08:12

            You make joke, no?  I have trained about 9 people to be locksmiths
    and only two are still plying the trade.  It is something that you probably
    could not do (along with most of the people).  After all, aren't locks
    susposed to keep people from taking what they want?
            As far as the rocket went.....well, I thought it was just great.  We
    had the first rocket go straight up.....how boring...and the other rocket
    did these marvelous tricks for us.   I would give it an A+ rating.
            How many of your brain cells have been destroyed by being a Mormon.
    Let me know when you are going to be at Cliff's house so I can avoid the
    area.
                                    Love
                                     Rod

    Message: 4505
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 13:10:13

            Many apologizes, I meant that for Sandy Syslop and you were on my
    mind.  Sorry.
                                            Rod

    Message: 4506
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT/Read
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 13:10:27

            You funny.

    Message: 4507
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Todd/ROCKET
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 14:31:31

    I guess I'm qualified to work for NASA.

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     1:        More than qualified.
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    Message: 4509
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd/Doctors
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 17:40:24

            Yeah, right.  A good, dead, friend of mine used pot to counter the
    effects of the big C.  It was with his Dr. permission.  Another friend of
    mine has M/S and she had never used pot before she got it but it sure helps
    her more than the pills.  She also has the Dr. permission.
            But, of course, you are talking about government doctors, you know,
    the puppets.  Am I correct?
            Pot is also good for Glaucoma......it usually makes the difference
    between being able to see or going blind.
            I take it you have never been man enough to try it because,
    obviously, you follow the program as it was written for you.
            By the way, have you ever had a drink of alcohol?  Mouthwash is
    usually alcohol based.
            In any case, let me know what areas of town you will be travelling
    in as I want to avoid them, perchance we run into each other and I have to
    barf.    FACT.
                                    Rod

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    Message: 1074
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Kontest
    Subject: Halloween doodle
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 06:45:06

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    Subject:Ann

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     1:        Applaud, applaud....clap....clap.
     2:end

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    Message: 2155
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:48:27

    Yeah - isn't it great to have him back? What wit - what intelligence - what
    charm - but he beats the heck out of Paul's wife! *::=ANNIE THE FANNY=::*

    Message: 2156
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: My Solution
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 08:00:09

    =)) SHOOT THEM ALL
                      =)) RALPH ((=

    Message: 2157
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gay Christians
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 08:39:28

    I understand that Satan was thrown down from Heaven for refusing to give
    Jesus a blowjob.

    So much for the 'one, true religion' and the 'one way'.

    Message: 2158
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: J.T.
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 12:32:14

    I'm sorry, but who the FUCK asked you anyways?!

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    Message: 2159
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Up Yours
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 12:33:50

    So what if our conventional forces outnumber thiers! BIG DEAL!  That won't
    stop the fools from trying!

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    P.S. Don't cal me your fancy names!

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    Subject:Chris

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     1:        By the way, just curious, are you by any chance a Christian?
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     1:        Clap....Clap....Applaud.....Great......I love it....Wow.
     2:                                Rod
     3:P.S.  But I heard that he did give him a blow job.  Hmmmmm.
     4:end

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    Message: 54659
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 10/14/88  Time: 23:52:31

    Does your wife shave her pits and legs?

    Message: 54660
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: 130,000
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 00:27:29

            Looks like the first caller this morn (10/15/88) will be Apollo's
    130,000 th caller...  Remember, SYSOP's are not counted, so this is user
    callers.  Congrats to whomever you are!

            As of tonight, there have been 39,461 letters delivered

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 54661
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 01:29:39

    I showed a photograph of Rod to my mother some years ago. She commented that
    Rod had interesting looks. I agree.

    Message: 54662
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 01:31:19

    So, you "personally" know that Rod is clean, huh? I guess that means you're
    not a Christian.

    Message: 54663
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's appearance
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:22:59

    What is wrong with Rod's appearance anyway?  On my wall right by the
    computer is pictures taken at a park GT we had over a year ago and many of
    you were there and on my wall. I can't see where Rod looks any different
    than the rest of you - each is unique - have their own style, so what's the
    problem? As far as the 'devil's handshake' is conserned - who in the hell
    knows how the devil shakes hands anyway? Any of you done that lately?
    Getting back to appearances - I thought we were all through with that kind
    of stuff - it went out with 'being prejudiced'! *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54664
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's cleanliness
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:26:47

    I cannot understand anyone judging the cleanliness of someone from across
    the room!
    Lloyd: Pray tell why Rod would 'bother' your wife? *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54665
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd on Nick
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:27:45

    I used to think he was Japanese until I met him. Come to think of it -- I'm
    still not sure! Ta ta *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54666
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lloyd/#54641
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 05:41:05

    I will agree with you about common courteousy and flatulance. But I wasn't
    aware we had went to that GT to be courteous to each other. It was a fun
    time. I know I kidded with almost everyone there and they didn't seem to
    take offence. We were even worse at the GT at Cliff's house. You have kidded
    much in the past about being part indian. What if someone suddenly took
    offence at that? What if Paul's wife sat back and judged you - wouldn't go
    over and even meet you - and thought you surely 'unwashed' because you were
    an indian? Think about it. *::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54667
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 06:20:20

    "I can't see where Rod looks any different from the rest of you - each is
    unique ..."

    Good thinking, Ann.

    Message: 54668
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/last
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 06:43:17

    Yeah - that wasn't a very good statement, but my point was made.*::=ANN=::*

    Message: 54669
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 13:16:26

            Yes, she does and we save it all to make pie.

    Message: 54670
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Me
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 13:18:05

            Hey, I take a shower every month, whether I need it or not.

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    Subject:Gays

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     1:        I believe that most gays have no choice in the matter of sexual
     2:preference.  It's like Mother Nature made them come out that way for one
     3:reason or another.
     4:        Whoever condems gays deserves to be condemed for their bigotry.
     5:Now, Italians, that's a different story altogether.
     6:                                Rod
     7:end

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    Message: 54672
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Consensus
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 14:10:55

    More from *Utne*:

    The consensus-making machinery

    The people who run America think on a global scale about
    their course of action.  They are, after all, sitting astride
    an empire that requires trade, raw materials, labor, and
    markets from across the planet.  Protecting those far-flung
    economic interests, of course, requires global military
    power.  And the maintenance of a global military capacity
    ultimately requires that the citizens of the mother country
    (that's you and me) be convinced that the whole imperial
    enterprise is worth the cost.
      Continuing to convince a majority of the American
    population that the maintenance of an economic empire and a
    global military presence is actually in their own interest
    requires more than just dealing with the occasional crisis.
    It requires grand conceptual frameworks and imaginative
    ideological constructions that must constantly feed upon
    reams of data, multiple reams of analysis, constant probing
    of the popular psyche, and endless contingency plans.
      Elite universities, corporate research departments, and a
    whole universe of think tanks work full time compiling,
    sifting, and shaping an official picture of the world that
    can be sold to the public at large.  Then it trickles down to
    media professionals and politicians.  Finally, at the other
    end of the process, there emerges a "consensus" regarding
    things like deregulation of natural gas prices or
    "democratic reform" in El Salvador.  Somehow the policies
    that come out of this process always seem to serve the
    interests of the corporate elite that set the agenda.  The
    process by which policy is shaped and public consent
    manufactured is simply the natural interaction of economic
    interests, ideology, and raw coercive power through which
    rulers everywhere have always maintained their dominion.
      For most of the duration of the American empire, the latest
    chapter of which got under way in 1945, management of the
    global system went pretty smoothly.  The first step of the
    process was to create a permanent state of war with the
    Soviet Union and an omnipresent international communist
    threat.  This was necessary, in the famous words of the late
    Sen. Arthur Vandenburg, to "scare the hell out of the
    American people" in order to ensure acceptance of a permanent
    war economy, peacetime conscription, and an institutionalized
    nuclear threat.  Anti-communism also provided the
    all-encompassing ideology needed to cloak American
    imperialism in the language of freedom and democracy.
                  - Danny Collum, *Sojourners*

    Message: 54674
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Ann Oudin
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 16:25:56

    Methinks you run off at the fingers too much.
    My wife passed judgement on absolutely no-one. NOBODY!
    Now, if you want to see a judgemental attitude, read your post one more
    time. THAT'S judgemental!

    Message: 54675
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 16:33:06

    You want to know who's passing judgement on queers?
    Read Romans, cnapter 1. Then read it again. Then read the 32nd verse of that
    chapter the third time.
    Judgement was passed a long time before I ever knew what a homosexual was.
    God did it. Not me.
    Now, if you read my message to Mr. Simpson again, you will see that I have
    not left God's mercy or forgiveness out of the picture. Again repeating what
    God has already said, I said that there is always room for repentance. With
    repentance comes a turning point in the life of the individual, after which
    he is no longer what he used to be. Old things are passed away. ALL THINGS
    become new. That includes the lifestyle. Therefore, if a homosexual truly
    repents, all things are renewed, and the individual is no longer a
    homosexual. Again, back to Romans 1, if there is no repentance, and the
    individual remains in the sinful life style, he/she brings the condemnation
    upon himself that is so clearly stated in verse 32.
    Now, read it one more time, and impress it into that little mind of yours.
    I judge nobody. God already has.

    Message: 54676
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: War!
    Subject: Ann again
    Date: 10/15/88  Time: 16:46:55

    You continue to run off at the mouth about someone you know nothing about,
    and the depth of your ignorance is almost astounding.
    The only thing you seem to find to yak about is the fact that my wife didn't
    jump up and run to greet everybody.
    If you recall, she spent the whole evening stuck in a corner of the booth,
    and to move at all would have necessitated moving several people in either
    direction. Besides, she is basically quite shy and introverted, and doesn't
    make friends too easily. I could give you a lot of very valid reasons for
    that, but don't think that it's any of your business, and you probably don't
    have enough understanding to fathom such things anyway, so an explanation
    would be a waste of time.
    Do yourself a favor, and leave my wife out of your conversations in the
    future, lest you be thought of as more shrewish than you already are.

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     1:        Yes, God is so all knowing that he judged them even before he made
     2:them.
     3:end

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