### Apollo BBS Archive - July 30, 1990

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 21:46:27

    You're welcome!  I hope Hawley will be able to bring it to you soon.
    Missed you at the GT.  Most of the people there were very straight and old.
    None of the old crowd - Nick, JT, Cervelli, Peter, Zak, Jim L. etc.
    It was interesting to meet some people I hadn't ever seen before like Paul
    Savage and Ralph Blem to name a few.
    Hey, let me know if Peter has any more projects that he is doing and needs
    any performers.  I need to start my performance career one of these days.
    I had thought about coming over and asking you for something the other day,
    in fact, since I haven't been working.  In fact, I think I tried calling you
    but you weren't home.
    I guess I will try again sometime.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:James came over this evening and delivered Katrina Star's, Star and Moon
     2:mobile.  Thank you so much for thinking of us.
     3:
     4:I think that a girl performer would be nice in the group of which I guess I
     5:am somewhere in the fringes or thereabouts but I will mention to Peter, Mike
     6:and Chris the thought.  You would be good at performance because you are so
     7:extraverted and that is a must.  So am I.  My motto is from the great Bob,
     8:his self, "Fuck em if they can't take a joke."
     9:
    10:It was really fun, not only the performance but everything leading up to it.
    11: I think I had the best day of my life in years.  I even enjoyed the sex
    12:afterwards because in the past three months I've engaged in it about once.
    13:
    14:But now the baby is here and Jasmine is healed and feels good with the big
    15:load from her midsection gone, and it is nice.
    16:
    17:Thanks,                                 Rod

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    Message: 4051
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:32:50

    Your rebuttals miss the point: My age is not relevant. I never stated that
    your pornographic stories were an accurate portrayal of your sex life. You
    do not portray a character on a TV show, nor do your stories represent the
    exploits of a specific fictional character.  They are all written in first
    person.  While I do not expect the incidentals of the stories to be true,
    nor even that you should necessarily have acted out any of the events in the
    stories, there is nothing in the acts themselves to preclude their
    existence; it is not as though you wrote about vampires or travelling to
    Jupiter. The stories are written as erotica; you wrote them; they are
    written in first person.  This does not mean that they are anything except
    fantasy; however, one does not ordinarily write sexual fantasies involving
    things the author himself doesn't fantasize about. The stories presumably
    celebrate sexual freedom; however you conceive of that.  There is nothing
    bashful or modest about them, and sex is not portrayed as something
    shameful.  Clearly, you do not consider your sexual fantasies private, since
    you publish them (some of them, anyway). If I were an author of adventure
    tales, and if the tales were not too outlandish and if I wrote them in first
    person, I should not be very surprised to have someone ask me if I had
    visted India or Africa.  Your prim reserve regarding your own sexual
    behavior is incongruous with your attitude as revealed by your work.
    It goes beyond ordinary reserve.  You seem positively insulted when I
    suggest that you might actually engage in sex play similar to that which
    takes place in your stories; as though you found the acts inherently sordid,
    and sex itself an unpleasant but necessary fact of life.

    Message: 4052
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Melissa
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:39:31

    I would, assuming that your stories are an accurate reflection of your own
    sexual fantasies and habits, find your psychology abberant and disagreeable.
    However, it would be even more peculiar and (dare I say it) perverse if it
    turned out that you did NOT practice what you preach.  If there is anything
    more offensive than deviance, it is white bread pretending to be
    pumpernickel.

    Message: 4053
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 21:59:33

    Your questions are inappropriate.  What one sees on this board is part of my
    public life.   What I do in my private life is my own to share with those
    people whom I choose.

    Message: 4054
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: 4053
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:59:28

    They may or may not be inappropriate.  I will not press the matter.
    However, the questions and paradoxes remain.

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    Message: 1889
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Insomniac & inspired
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 01:08:33

    Sleep is an illusion.  Consciousness is discontinuous, only the intervals
    are not ordinarily detectable.  Sleep is not among the intervals; sleep is a
    variety of consciousness.

    I am going to fix myself a cup of tea.

    Sleep seems like one of the intervals (only, the shortest catnap is far,
    Far, FAR longer than any of the real intervals of non-consciousness), but it
    is not.  We perceive it as such because consciousness and memory are not
    identical.  We do not remember the consciousness of sleep because the
    mechanisms of memory do not ordinarily lend themselves to the record of such
    a state, except sometimes when we dream; which is itself a state
    intermediate to that of "ordinary" consciousness and sleep-consciousness.

    You may wonder what sleep-consciousness is like.  It is very quiet.  Time is
    dilated enormously.  Everything is still except for your consciousness.  You
    may not realize it but there are a number of processes cotemporaneous with
    ordinary consciousness which are to some degree independent of it, and which
    are certainly seperable from it, only when this happens, they stop.  The
    analogy is only figurative, of course, but "walking around your mind" you
    "see" these things as a vast clutter; a sort of junkyard whose pieces you
    can observe but cannot touch without using some of the processes, and when
    you do this, of course, you are no longer in any position to see the
    "junkyard" or apprehend its dreadful mess.

    This is because the use of these processes (which are really integral with
    "normal" consciousness) moves one out of sleep consciousness.  It is very
    difficult to use just one or two of the processes.  They are somehow
    interdependent with each other, so that the use of one entails the use of
    others, like program segments calling subroutines.  Either one is quickly
    wafted into ordinary consciousness, or into an intermediate state.
    You can also observe the "approach" of the edge of the next interval of
    non-consciousness.  Whether you describe this as a precipice you inexorably
    walk toward, or whether you describe it as something which approaches you
    inexorably, is of no consequence.
    There are *things* that lurk there.  I know, because I have "seen" them;
    sometimes they become impatient and cross, ever so slightly, from an
    interval of non-consciousness into the current segment of conciousness.
    This is no reason for insomnia; the things dwell in the intervals, and the
    intervals exist between waking segments of consciousness just as they do in
    the intervals between sleep-consciousness segments.  I have no knowledge of
    their nature; I approach the end of the current segment, hit the edge, and
    am "instantaneously" at the beginning of the next segment.  The few
    sightings I have had of them have been like, well, like seeing something out
    of the corner of your eye for a split second.  It is not enough really, to
    form any impression.  They could be nothing more malignant than the microbes
    which live in the roots of your eyelashes, but of whose existance most
    people remain ignorant.  I have the feeling that the day I find out, though,
    will be my last day on Earth, for good or ill.

    Message: 1891
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Jeff
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 02:34:56

    Very interesting posts.  At this instant I have not fully grasped those
    things which you stated in your messages but they are very interesting, none
    the less.

    At one period in my life I found myself being able to go to the Debate
    Chamber in my mind.  It was a place in the brain where the nerve endings of
    each of my senses pluse all other departments, i.e. actual experiences,
    imagined experience, superstition, faith, logic, similar experience and some
    more which I am too dreary-eyed to remember at the moment.

    In any case, here I was listening to each branch trying to reach a decision
    that would be carried out by my body.  Even though the process seemed to be
    in slow motion, perhaps mili-seconds passed.

    I noted that if a decision did not have to be made immediately then a long
    debate would ensue and the idea would either be acted upon or shelved until
    a later period.  The mind contains a file cabinet and the order things are
    put in and taken out is in direct relation to what format you are using.

    People who have a hard time making decisions usually run into more error
    codes than codes that lead to a prompt decision.  This could be caused by a
    chemical reaction from something you ate or didn't eat.   Too much of
    something such as alcohol proves a point.  Anyway, I was there and got to
    see this process in action and have remembered it clearly all this while.
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    Message: 68028
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/babies
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 01:18:46

    I think it is more than you were thinking...The doctor has also confirmed
    that she isn't producing milk or anything...she didn't on her first baby
    either...I totally agree with you about breast feeding, though...I think if
    someone won't "have the time" to breast feed, or thinks it is too
    inconvenient shouldn't have a child...It's typical of our society...why do
    it yourself when you can pay for it.

    Message: 68029
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann/punishment
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 06:14:46

     Although Jesus Himself said that "No man cometh unto the Father but by me",
    and those of us who consider ourselves Christians believe this, the Bible
    also states that we are not to judge another, since judgement belongs in the
    house of the Lord. In other words, judgement is His alone. Personally, I
    prefer to stress the positives that are inherent in the Christian belief,
    not the possible negatives, since I believe that Christianity is a positive
    belief.

    Message: 68030
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/grasshopper
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 06:18:38

    So you had to fortify yourself before we got there, eh?
     Can't say that I blame you any. Good show.

    Message: 68031
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/Positives
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 07:23:51

    > Personally, I prefer to stress the positives that are inherent
    > in the Christian belief, not the possible negatives, since I
    > believe that Christianity is a positive belief.

    Sounds like a marketing decision to me.  (Why am I getting
    involved in this?  It never leads to anything but war.)

    Message: 68032
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod/Scouts
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 07:26:23

            I was very proud of Josh for standing up for what he
    believed, yet a little concerned for his lack of tolerance -- the
    very same lack of tolerance I had seen as a child, but from the
    other direction.
            We were not the only ones to leave, by the way.  A Jewish
    friend of my son's hiked out with us also.

    Message: 68033
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/VCR
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 07:40:00

    I forgot to mention that I did see you on the video of past GT's. It was
    clear from the tape that you would have brought an ineffable spirit to the
    current GT. I thought it would be amusing to tape us watching old GT tapes
    so that next year we could tape ourselves watching an old GT tape of us
    watching old GT tapes. After about 10 years, I figure the old sound-track
    and video would be lost in a sea of electrical, acousting, and photonic
    noise.

    Message: 68034
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul on fortify
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 09:36:25

            You bet...  Trying to host a GT at my place gave me 'Stage Fright'
    at the last minute.  I said to myself "Self, why do I do these things to my
    self?".  Needless to say, myself did not answer me back.

            Things however fell into place...and I am happy now about the whole
    thing.   Self and I are now getting along quite well!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68035
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Old Tom
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 09:40:02

            Well, he was on all last night and NO one called him between
    midnight and this time, this morning.  To the closet with SAD Tom R. Slone!
    (In about 20 minutes)... but I doubt anyone will call....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68036
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bobby on videos
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 09:57:27

    Forget the videos - I taped so little - plus, when we used the camera sunday
    I must have erased some of the GT! I don't think too much was lost however -
    it was just too crowded to get good pictures - Pauley kept making clown
    faces right in front of the lens! Ha ha. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 68037
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Tom Slone
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 10:29:57

    Darn!  I was going to get on.  I fell asleep before 10 and didn't wake up
    until now.  I think I'm sick.
    Good night

    Message: 68039
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: cummings
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 12:25:20

    Who is this John Cummings person and why would I be keeping him company? Or
    is this a joke that I'm too much of a neophyte around here to get?

    Message: 68040
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Stormy Night
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 13:14:47

            In 1982 Chris Zagar and I were trying to get a NEW BBS on line...We
    had set a goal of July to do this feat.  However, there were many setbacks
    and failures when testing the first system.  Seemed like we would never
    filter out all the bugs.  As the end of July grew near, we went into a
    marathon testing and debugging frenzy in what we hoped would be a crash
    proof system to compete with John Dykstras 'Az BBS' that was run on an
    Apple.  John had told me I could never get a BBS to run on a "TRASH-80" as
    he called it. Well, on the late afternoon of July 31st we had a system that
    we could not crash in our testing.  We were in a GO mode and very excited...
    However as we were about to put it on line, a big thunder and lightning
    storm struck knocking out APS and almost our hopes for the night.  The power
    was restored in about an hour and we tried again... only to have another
    storm roar by right over head. We pulled the system down again and
    waited....  It was almost midnight and the storms were flashing lightning
    bolts all over town. Finally I said the hell with it and up it came,
    lightning and all 5 minutes before midnight July 31 st, 1982.  Tom R. Slone
    as I called my computer was the hardware and Apollo BBS was born!

            As it turned out, we ran circles in speed around John's old Apple,
    and what we thought was going to be just one summer of fun...turned into
    a thing of pride that has lasted 8 years so far.
                            Thanks for the many friends it has made.
    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68041
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 16:48:31

    Re:  "In order to save me a lot of time would you people who are of the
    religious nature please answer the following questions.

            I do not believe in an eternal hell.

            I do believe in an eternal hell even though God does not
            put anyone there because they put themselves there."

    What questions??

    Message: 68042
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornbug
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 19:02:29

    Make some up and stop evading what you know I want to hear.  DO you believe
    there is an eternal hell wherein former earthlings are being punished on a
    forever basis?  Do you teach you children about hell and tell them that if
    they follow the lord that they will be saved and get to reside in heaven for
    evermore along with mr. and mrs. god?

    What's the deal, just how sick are you?  That is what I am trying to
    determine, Mr. Bob.

    Are you being a criminal child abuser with your children?

    They are worse than drug dealers, homosexuals, rapists and communists even
    if all rolled into one.

    Think about it Bob.  You just know I love you.

                                    Rod

    Message: 68043
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi/who is?
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 19:04:48

    John Cummings was a regular user but maybe he is on vacation or something.
    Jeff Beck and I were debating him over several issues when he upped and
    vanished.

    Are you planning on joining Apollo and becoming a member?

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    Last name:DEE
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     1:Thank you so very much.  Hawley informed me that he has something for
     2:Katrina Star from you.
     3:
     4:I really appreciate that.
     5:
     6:Let me know when you are ready to get together again like last time.

    Message: 68044
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/legend
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:00:58

    I don't care if you knew him for ten years.  It has all of the earmarks of a
    tall tale, and he needn't be a liar to indulge in the practice of telling
    such stories to his students.  I'll bet you five dollars that if you wrote
    to him, and really pressed him on the point, he would admit that the events
    in the story really occured to a friend of his, or a friend of a friend.
    Can you still get in touch with him (say, care of the school)?

    Message: 68045
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill Burkett
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:03:48

    I am not a goofball, sir; I am a flake.  Please learn to distinguish the
    two.

    Message: 68046
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sandi Marlin
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:06:13

    Nothing personal, Sandi.  I just happen to think that you and Mr. John
    Cummings are alter egos of some other person.  I smell Dodgson.

    Message: 68047
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod on Bob
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 20:07:51

    Yeah, send 'em to the gulag for deprogramming! :)

    Message: 68048
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max/Cars
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 22:38:26

            Hey, Jeff, FORD stands for "First, On Race Day!" and if you have an
    El Dorado which still manages to start and run, you should send a picture of
    it to Roger Smith, I think they are looking for proof.
            Or was it, "Fix Or Repair Daily"?

    Message: 68049
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff B/Sandi
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 22:56:44

            Sandi Marlin is one of the most intelligent, charming, lovely,
    sweet, and kind women who have ever graced this board. She ranks right up
    there with Ann and Melissa.
            She is not only incredibly witty, she demolsishes atheism and
    communism and socialism with a few rapier thrusts of brilliance, and still
    manages to do it with a soft feminine gentleness.
            Beyond that, she belongs to the very small group of fun-loving
    adventurers who have popped the clutch and slammed pedal to metal in a
    "little by damn Falcon, for cryin' out loud!" and peeled out in front of an
    embarrassed Chevy driver.
            For months, she has been my ideal, but I have woirshipped her from
    afar. Now, you have tied her name to mine, and to protect her shining
    reputation, I must confess I don't know her, but I sure admire her good
    sense about cars!

    Message: 68050
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Hell
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 22:58:33

            Those weren't questions, those were statements. Do you have
    questions about Hell? Would you like to discuss it?

    Message: 68051
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff B/Dodgsen
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 23:01:59

            What does Dodgsen smell like, anyway? Anything like Alice?

    Message: 68052
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff & Sandy
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 23:46:12

    Thanks for hosting such a great time! Vicky and I really
    enjoyed the company and getting to talk in person to you all.
    It's refreshing to see faces!
    Well Cliffy, you didn't have such a bad time parking people did
    you? I knew it wouldn't be like that.....any party I've ever been
    to the folks just park somewhere along the street.

    Thanks to everyone for a good evening!

            -Mike & Vicky

    Message: 68053
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff on Slone
    Date: 07/30/90  Time: 23:49:44

    Heh heh. I remember Rich Fohl, Cliff Kolostow and
    Ed Sharpe all saying that a VIC-20 was incapable of
    running a BBS......

    That's when they found out VicNet came alive after some
    nights of fun. SHortly thereafter came "TERROR" which
    was the breeding ground for Demon Dialer....which we
    wont discuss.

    Yep. All it takes is some fool to say it can't be done.
    Look what happens...........

    No, thank *you* for 8 years of fun , friends and feinds.

            -Mike

    Message: 68054
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Beck on Cummings
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:02:21

            I assure you Mr Beck, that Mr John A. Cummings is a real person and
    that is his real name.   No Fooling!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68055
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike on parking...
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:15:09

            Well, I was trying to be prepared.  Had I known, I would not have
    asked you to park on the side yard.  I would have just kept my Charger there
    instead of moving it into the back yard.  Had Nick Ianuzzi shown up, the
    spot along side of you would have been his...HE is fussy where he parks as I
    am.  Anyhow, it all worked out and there were less cars then I had thought
    there would be.

            I also was thinking of my neighbors, as some of them have several
    cars and they also need the street.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 68056
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Vic-20
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:30:47

            I don't recall saying it could NOT be done.  I said it was
    not practical.  I also never called John Dykstra a 'fool'... just a
    'Challenge'.
            As for practical, I know of several C-64 BBSs and several TRS-80
    boards...  I can't seem to find any Vic-20 boards currently running?

            Just for the record... John Dykstra and I were friends before
    Apollo, and for many years after Apollo BBS was on line.  It was all in fun,
    even the part of him calling TRS-80 computers, 'Trash-80s'.

            I also remember a 'desperate' SysOp who did not have an auto answer
    modem and would sleep by his BBS and when the phone rang, would make the
    connection manually.   Now that takes dedication!  (no, it was not Mike
    Carter)

            I once saw a Timex Sinclair (sp) BBS.....  An Epson HX-20 BBS...

    Those were the days...now you can get one meg systems cheaper then we paid
    for those 48K floppy systems.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-   Sigh!

    Message: 68057
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: John on Sandi
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:33:16

    More evidence for my theory.

    Message: 68058
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/John C.
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:37:18

    No he's not.  Nobody is a "real person", because there is no such thing as a
    "real person".  Similarly, it isn't his real name, because he doesn't have
    one.

    The only thing that exists is an emergency call-box located on Highway 101
    North; I've never had the courage to lift the handset and listen.

    Message: 68059
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Taylor
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:39:23

    I've moved on to integral calculus.  Unless someone feels they have
    something to learn, I will not continue with my posts on the subject of the
    Taylor formula and its use in calculating trig functions; if there is a
    genuine interest, let me know; I'll proceed.  I'm not going to waste my time
    posting merely for effect.

    Message: 68060
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Gordon Little
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:40:32

    What is the origin of the term "Old Bailey"?  I understood that to be the
    name of a street bordering the original building, neither of which (the
    original street or building) exists today.

    Message: 68061
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:43:19

    I believe that some time ago you were interested in locating a source for
    "weather sayings", that is, popular folk lore on the subject of weather.
    Today I came across a book by Albert Lee called "Weather Wisdom", which is
    just that.  It is $7.95, published as a trade paperback by Congdon & Weed,
    and can currently be found in the Science & Technology section of B. Dalton
    (Metro, in this case).

    Message: 68062
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Relativity
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 00:53:56

    If the speed of light is a constant relative to the motion of an observer,
    then how is it that frequency shifts occur as the result of wave compression
    or expansion  caused by the motion of an observer toward or away from the
    speed of light?

    To whoever claimed that clocks have been shown to operate faster in an
    airplane than on the ground, this effect is too small to be directly tested
    for anything less than an interstellar journey.

    I had no idea that relativity theory denies the existence of gravity as a
    force acting at a distance.  According to it, the sun exerts no force
    whatsoever on the planets.  They travel along geodesics in Einsteinian
    space, as do all bodies which are negligibly affected by non-gravitational
    forces (electromagnetic, subatomic...)

    Message: 68063
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Question
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 02:41:56

    John, if you have been reading this board then it should be OBVIOUS to you
    what my questions are.  If you haven't been reading and only read that one
    message wherein I flubbed then sorry.

    Do you, John Cummings believe there is an eternal hell or anyplace that a
    creator, if one existed, would send anything it made to be punished??

    If you answer yes to the above sentence then do you teach ANY young,
    impressionable person this?

    Message: 68064
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/light
    Date: 07/31/90  Time: 02:56:28

    I am fairly tired at the moment but would like to comment even if I have
    missed the mark of your question.

    When light is travelling throughout the cosmos it is constantly being acted
    upon by whatever forces are present.  In deep space there would be less
    forces to act upon light but even so light is always being pushed or shoved
    one way or another thus bending it and causing a shift to the observer or
    non-observer as the case may be.

    The force of our sun's light would surely have an effect upon all bodies and
    non bodies wherever and whenever it exists which is pretty much always or at
    least for quite a while and quite a while to come.  But even quite a while
    is not long in eternity.

    A force in motion has an effect on all other forces.

    When I say non-bodies I mean not big planets or stars but particles some
    minute and others only specks.  Size is of course relative as even a very
    small speck will appear large to an even smaller particle but how far it can
    go into apparent nothingless is beyond my scope, that's for sure.

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