### Apollo BBS Archive - July 27, 1990

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    Message: 4042
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 21:41:54

    Gee, I thought you would say "It is the part that gets deformed into a penis
    when the fetus is a boy"

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    Message: 945
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Review
    Subject: Daryl/ S&H
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 22:02:55

    Well, we can talk about it at the GT.

    Message: 946
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Review
    Subject: Earnest Goes to Camp
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 23:31:41

    Earnest?  Anyway, I went to see the film tonight with the family.  It is one
    of Ernest's better films.  I got a lot of laughs out of it.  Your young
    children will love it.  If you're young at heart you will like it too.

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    Message: 67913
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: religion
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 01:39:57

    That's a toughie. My natural response is to say that people should lay off
    that stuff until the kid is old enough to consider it logically on his/her
    own, but that's the very point where we all differ. It's ok to tell your kid
    not to play in the street; the big trucks out there are very tangible and
    real and it's absolutely guaranteed that serious harm will come if you don't
    scare them enough to stay in the yard and out of the street; but when it
    comes to eternal punishment, I have my doubts that that is equally valid.
    Anyway, I'm sure many here could correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the
    major Christian religions say that you can save yourself at pretty much any
    point if you renounce the errors of your ways. Calvinism states that it's
    already decided. So why scare the poor kid unnecessarily? If he wants to
    believe that way, he can start believing it at any time.

    Message: 67914
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: sports
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 01:45:58

    My specialty is horse racing, chosen because there is no corporateness, no
    professional racehorse. (of course, the horses may well not be having such a
    good time and they do collect a number of injuries to amuse a crowd full of
    people who would just as well go bet on greyhounds or turtles with numbers
    painted on their shell...I'll be the first to admit that that scene is not
    rosy.) However, I agree wholeheartedly with you on the professional part.
    On the personal level, though, playing the sport of one's choice is a great
    way to socialize, get exercize and work off normal amounts of hostility.
    (It's better than what I do...race people off of stoplights...)

    Message: 67915
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: CLIFF!!!!!!!!!!!
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 05:46:33

     NO! I don't chew! Not even gum! Yuck, what a filthy habit!
     I can recall some of my misspent younger days, when I worked construction
    in a foundry, and everybody, me included, chewed a little tobacco in an
    effort to keep the foundry dust from getting into our lungs. I think it was
    sort of the lesser of two evils. Those were in my smoking days, and I still
    hated the taste of that stuff.
     I hope the smoking table is WAAAY in the back of the yard. See ya tomorrow.

    Message: 67916
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/state religio
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 07:39:25

    The existence of a state religion in England is, after all, one of the
    reasons for the persecution of the folks who fled to go to the United States
    to establish their own state religion. re: Christmas displays: If I were a
    Hindu, Jew, or even Moslem I would be offended if MY tax money was used to
    create a display that glorified a religion other than my own. In fact, I
    would see if I could get my religious symbols included in the appropriate
    displays during the year.

    Message: 67917
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Melissa / GT
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 09:01:16

    I'm going to try. Dunno if mom or baby will be able to make it, though.

    Message: 67918
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon / Cause Birth
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 09:03:58

    Just don't kiss girls, and keep your female friends from swallowing
    watermelon seeds, and you'll be ok.

    Oh, and peek ruoy retsoor dennep pu.

    Message: 67919
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: War!
    Subject: Cliff/The Grant
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 10:30:57

    HEY!  It's my grant; I'll give it to anyone I please.  Perhaps
    Rod is not such a bad choice.  But then again...

    Message: 67920
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Grant Bribe
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 10:31:38

    $20 is not nearly enough.  The latest offer for the grant (A $12
    Value!) I've received in email is $150, to cover shipping and
    handling, of course.  I will entertain bids above that amount,
    but only in increments of $25.

    Message: 67921
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: July births
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 10:53:08

    So, what is going on in October that get so many couples together?  The
    turning of the leaves?  Halloween?

    Message: 67922
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 10:53:37

    Wow.  I thought you were younger than me for some reason.
    Welp, happy birthday to you, too!

    Message: 67923
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Jim L.
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 11:58:28

      Yes, I think the school project was from the guy you mentioned.
      See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 67924
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 11:59:50

      I saw an Edsel station wagon at another lot on Cave Creek Road last night.
    I didn't know they made those either.
      Since I began noticing the Edsel my neighborhood seems to be overrun with
    them.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 67925
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Food
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 12:03:16

      Bonnie will probably not be able to attend (unless we inflict our two
    children upon the gathering as well). She is planning to send something to
    eat, pending the outcome of certain experiments on $Jeff Beck to determine
    the food's acceptability for consumption.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67926
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Paul on Chew...
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 12:21:05

            I had heard that from Sandy Sysop...  Something like 'Ann and Paul
    Chew'...  But when I asked Sandy again, she said, she ment, that Paul and
    Ann 'chew' on each other... probably about the trivia game.  Sorry, I took
    it to be tobacco!
            Yes, the Smoking table is WAAAY in the back yard...  marked by an
    ashtray on a table and an oil lamp for light!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67927
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Smitty's
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 12:29:42

    Not only is the Republic printing Smitty's ads while running anti-Smitty's
    editorial cartoons, this week's New Times contained a multipage color insert
    from Smitty's.

    Message: 67928
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: emissions
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 12:34:00

    There was an interesting article in the most recent issue of Reason magazine
    about emissions.  There is a researcher in Colorado who has built devices
    which can test the emissions of automobiles in the time it takes them to
    drive by the device.  He has tested his device in urban areas, and found
    that something like 10% of the cars produce 90% of the pollution.  Older
    cars are generally NOT responsible--it seems that people who take care of
    their cars well enough to keep them operating for a decade or more also take
    care of them well enough that they are not a major source of pollution.  The
    major pollution source is cars less than 10 years old which are not
    maintained properly (and for these cars, the older the car the worse the
    pollution).  This researcher estimated that by getting rid of the emissions
    testing stations and simply ticketing people who are major polluters (using
    his devices and perhaps something like photoradar), states could (a) save a
    huge amount of money and (b) actually reduce pollution significantly.

    Message: 67929
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 13:11:42

            That last post is so true about older cars NOT being the pollutors.
    Older cars are also easier to tune up.  I took my 65 Barracuda to the test
    station once just to try it out, and it was WAY under the needed compliance
    level.  But it does not have 100 little rubber hoses and 50 gadgets to keep
    in working order.  The newer cars work fine when they are new and everything
    is working 100%.  But in 8 years after the Arizona heat has dry rotted the
    rubber, they fail something terrible.  It is TOO costly for the owner of
    these mid life cars to get them fixed.  Besides, most mechanics can't even
    fix them, as the 'smog' devises vary so much from model to model and year to
    year..... you can't really learn them all.  Government in all its wisdom,
    have created cars that pollute worse because of failed pollution devises.

            A Pollution devise needs to be 'SIMPLE' and 'STANDARD' for 'ALL'
    cars.   A road side drive by detection system for violation sounds better
    then the current drive too and pollute while waiting in line system they now
    have.

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    Message: 67930
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: For Children...
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 13:18:35

            I would prefer if children did not come to this GT... We are going
    to be CROWDED, and the cake is going to be too small. (Maybe)

    The (PPGT) proposal:
            However...  I really do think we should have a GT where we bring ALL
    the children .... but at a Park/Picnic GT in the fall.  I think we should
    keep this in mind, and plan one as soon as the weather permits.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

                                            Ideas?  Comments?

    Message: 67931
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Misc
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 13:33:14

    An answering machine
    A typewriter
    A microwave
    A stereo
    Probably other stuff too so if there is anything you need, ask and I might
    have one to sell.  I'm willing to go pretty low on price on most of this
    stuff since I just want to get rid of it.  Leave me e-mail if you're
    interested and I'll give you more details.

    Message: 67932
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Entertainment
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 15:05:03

    Has anyone considered asking Roseanne to come over and screech the national
    anthem?  I understand that she may be looking for gigs in the near future.

                                                       ****  Gary   ****

    Message: 67933
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: GT Entertainment
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 15:29:45

    Roseanne Barr??????????????????
    I know I eat to much, but why spoil everybody's appitite????????
    YUCK, barf, gag,gag,gag
           THE
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    Message: 67934
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Ramdrive
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 15:32:21

     There really is nobody on apollo who can help me with this?????
    Come on now, I'm begging, Please, pretty please with sugar and a cherry on
    top. I really need some help.
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
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    Message: 67935
    Author: Jeremy Roberson
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: COMPUTERS
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 17:04:02

    I BOUGHT A HOME COMPUTER
    THINKING EVEN I COULD LEARN
    THIS MYSTERIOUS NEW LANGUAGE
    THAT APPEARED AT EVERY TURN.
    IN A WEEK I WAS ADDICTED;
    AT THE KEYBOARD DAY AND NIGHT,
    USING STRINGS AND VARIABLES,
    BUT NOTHING CAME OUT RIGHT.
    FUTILITY HAS MADE MY DOUBT
    MY ABILITY TO LEARN,
    I MAY HAVE AMPLE GO-SUBS
    BUT I'M SHORT A FEW RETURNS!

    Message: 67936
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Movie?
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 17:39:53

            Probably will have 'Tremors' (in Laser Disk) for those to tired
    to talk or bored out of their gored, playing on the Boob Tube!

            The Cake was picked up this afternoon......  I'm ready!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-
    P.S.  Mizz Dee is going to sing the National Anthem to open the GT!

    Message: 67937
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dee?
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 17:42:30

            Why are you selling ALL your possessions?  Did you not JUST get your
    MicroWave??   I hope you are not leaving town?

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    Message: 67938
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Bell Road
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 17:57:52

            Would you know it.... Construction on Bell Road.....
    Alternate way to GT:
            35TH Ave, north of Bell Road and South of Union Hills, there is only
    one Red/Green light..  Turning West at this light (Grovers) will cut into
    37th Ave and then you go South on 37th Ave to Danbury.

            Or 43rd Ave to Grovers (at light and between Bell Road and Union
    Hills, but this time turn East till you get to 37th Ave, then turn South.

            You can still get though on Bell Road, but some people do not like
    to travel in construction areas.

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    Message: 67939
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 18:43:47

    What does, "race people off of stoplights" mean?  What kind of job is that?

    By the way, your message on religion was well put.  In other words you
    didn't insult anyone which is unusual around here.  Thanks for the answer.

    Message: 67940
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/pollution
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 18:46:57

    Yea, and Cliff will try to have the power plant pollution blow the other way
    along with blocking off the streets in a mile square area.  And yes, he has
    already set it up for all airplanes at Luke, Williams, Sky Harbor, Deer
    Valley and a few others to postpone all take-offs AND landings for a 48 hour
    period prior to the GT.

    Way to go Cliff.

    Message: 67941
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff L./Ramdrive
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 18:54:38

    The first thing to do is spray a full 12 oz. can of WD40 (not 3 in 1 Oil)
    into the hard drive then take a 16oz. (not 12 oz.) ballpeen hammer and tap
    the HD case on the left rear edge.

    If this does not work then get a hand sledge and try again.

    By the way, I use a Jackintosh Computer and cannot give you any advice other
    than the above, sorry.

    Message: 67942
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mizz Dee
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 19:01:41

    Hey, I too was conceived in October.

    Message: 67943
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: National Anthem
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 19:03:34

    If Mizz Dee sings it then make sure she spits just as Rosanne Barr did.

    By the way, I can belch the NA fairly well so you may want to consider me.

    And those of you who have camcorders please bring them as I will be late to
    the GT.  Thanks.

    Message: 67944
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 19:51:07

    There are no professional racehorses?  Could you clarify that statement?

    Message: 67945
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi/horses
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 21:34:14

    Gee, although there aren't any *corporate* racehorses, I'll bet there are
    quite a few *family* racehorses ...

    Message: 67946
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Question?
    Subject: sysop/address
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 22:09:06

    So you live on Danbury. What is the address, or do I drive around between
    43rd and 35th Av until I am positive that the large group of cars parked
    from 35th to 43rd are in front of one of the houses that includes yours.

    Message: 67947
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod advice
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 22:23:14

    Rod sometimes I have thought to do exactly that, but common sense and
    civilized behavior ( and remembering how much the computer cost me ) have
    always stopped me short of destroying this marvelous amchine. So I took the
    alternative solution, I learned how to ask for help when I REALLY don't know
    what to do anymore.
           THE
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    Message: 67948
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Countdown
    Date: 07/27/90  Time: 22:27:21

    Only 20 more hours till the GT, will cliff be able to finish adding that
    extra room he'll need, or will his house explode if to many people enter it.
    Like Cliff said, I shure hope everybody took a shower before coming, I will.
    Hey seriously, I'm REALLY looking forward to finally meeting everybody, and
    I'm honored by being invited, even though I'm not a $tatus user.
           THE
    M M A D   M M A X
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    Message: 67949
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff L/ RamDrives
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 00:17:36

    Ask the question on the COMPUTER SIG.

    Message: 67950
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Lightning
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 00:32:27

    Shzzz-POP...WHAAAA-TOOOM!
    (1) ea 286 D.O.A
    Shzzz-PLAP-FOP-ZOT-ZOT-WHHHHHAAAAAA-TOOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOMMMMM!!!!
    (1) ea 386 D.O.A
    "$#^&^@"

    2 hours * %$%$* + (4*82C450 IC's) + 1 SN74LS245N = Happy Camper

    In short, even with the power off, both of my computers received
    fatal blows the other night. Two direct hits on the power lines outside
    resulted in 4 transformers blowing up, 105 feet of 9 guage stranded
    power cable being completely *vaporized*  and set fire to one house
    and blew up a propane tank down the road.
    After all that, my electronics around the house told a story of
    massive surges. Just about everyone on my street (except me) lost
    their TV's and VCR's. --- I beleive in a GOD---
    But he thrashed my babies... so I fixed them and this is the first
    night I've been able to login. Not only did my own personal stuff
    get ZOTTED, the Airport and the second job all had me going full tilt
    on PC repair this week.  Lost 7 Mux's, 4 Model 80 PS/2's (good riddance)
    3 Monochrome monitors (must like VGA), 12 power supplies and
    3 Printers.
    The moral of the story:   UNPLUG! UNPLUG! UNPLUG!
                    -Mike

    Message: 67951
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Judicial System
    Date: 07/28/90  Time: 00:38:15

    I was listening to a radio program today, and they were talking about
    "Operation Rescue" out in California.  Some of the people who had
    participated in "Operation Rescue" and had been arrested were talking about
    their court appearance.  They said a number of things that amazed me.  For
    example, prior to appearing before the judge, they were given a list of
    words they could not use in the court room.  If they used any of the words,
    they would be held in contempt of court and fined or imprisoned or both.
    What were the words?  I can't remember the whole list, but some of them were
    "baby", "abortion", "church", "God", "kill".  Isn't that amazing?  It
    sounded like something out of Nazi Germany.  I didn't catch the whole
    program, but it seemed the lady judge was definitely pro abortion and she
    wasn't about to let justice get in the way of dealing with those who
    disagreed with her.

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     1:I'm in a weird mood tonight.  I have nothing to say and that is unusual.  So
     2:I will just say nothing but already I have said something.
     3:
     4:It's like you always learn something even if you don't learn anything then
     5:you've learned that much.
     6:
     7:Who do you think will win the free year's $tatus.  I believe there are only
     8:three non-status users who are regular, Hans Glans, Jeff Lochansky and the
     9:newcomer, Sandi Marlin.
    10:
    11:But are they real people?  Will we meet Jeff L. at the GT or will it only be
    12:an actor playing a part for the evening for the real author of those
    13:messages?
    14:
    15:Frankly I think that all three are Dean Hathaway but I am having a hard time
    16:proving this.
    17:
    18:This world is a WEIRD place and somehow I wish it would settle down to some
    19:real nice, good ole peace on this planet.  I could use it.
    20:
    21:Bye.
    22:end

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