### Apollo BBS Archive - September 7, 1989

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    Message: 2463
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last many
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:22:10

    oh no! Reruns!!!!

    Message: 2464
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Traci/reruns
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:33:57

    Gotta wait for the fall season before you see anything that's new.

    Message: 2465
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 21:22:23

    Come on home to Apollo!

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    Message: 3380
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 12:19:59

    Tu madre.

    Message: 3381
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Hawley/last
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:34:34

    Message: 3382
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 21:22:58

    The mafia hired a second rate killer.

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    Message: 397
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: GT
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 12:24:37

    I didn't get me engraved invitation, so I thought it was all a hoax.

    Message: 398
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: gift
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:23:07

    Wait til the wedding....

    Message: 399
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/Traci
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 22:49:52

            Speaking of gifts...  where do we bring yours?  And When?

    Smile!   Are you getting butterflys?   Do you have CoLd feet?   Would you
    rather come out to the shooting range with me Saturday?  (It would be safer)
    hahahahaha... Ahhhhhh  I wish you the best...

    Cliffer

    Message: 400
    Author: $ Traci Sibel
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:28:35

    heeheehee... I've had butterflies for months now!!

    Wedding is Saturday morning at 10:30.... mmmm... since you can't make it
     (tm) we'll have to get together on a time and place, since we are
    bailing for a few romantic days..... ;)

    Smile!! .....

    Trace

    Shoot good for me Saturday!
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    Message: 60751
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/colored lights
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 05:06:24

    According to good ol' Aster Scott, this device was used as part of a
    procedure called "patterning." A wheel with different colored areas of
    translucent plastic is mounted to a motor, which slowly revolves
    and thus presents changing colors to the patient. Apparently, this is
    supposed to somehow get the brain back in synch, as it is used on patients
    with various neurological disorders. I don't think it works very well --
    nightclubs use similar devices for special effects on the dance floor, and
    most of the people I've encountered in these places are brain damaged.

    Message: 60752
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/sorry
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 05:28:05

     I'm terribly sorry to hear that you have a bad cold, but not sorry enough
    to risk catching such a communicable thing by hugging you to prove a point
    that can be well demonstrated in other ways.
     I don't think I like your doctor(s).

    Message: 60753
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Bob on Ann
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 05:32:49

     I wonder how much they charged her to tell her she was full of something,
    and then give her something to get rid of what she was full of? You know
    what I mean? I don't like to use words like that on the BBS. After all,
    children might be watching! (smile) (Just ribbing you Ann. Don't get upset!)

    Message: 60754
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Bush speech
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 05:45:49

     As for a drug free America, I am as supportive of that as anyone, but I do
    think that Bush's speech was just so much more BS, that will wind up
    becoming totally unrecognizable once it gets through the legislative system.
     Simply throwing good money after bad is not the answer. Millions to the
    producing countries will do little if any good, since the leadership of
    those countries is corrupt, and in abject fear of the drug cartels who
    really run the show down there. Any effort by the Columbian government will
    be less than a bandaid at best.
     Prison overcrowding could be resolved overnight if this country were to
    return to a system of justice instead of just punishment. That means
    immediate carrying out of the death penalty for those accused of capital
    crimes, and th immediate release, on supervised work programs, of those who
    are not a physical threat to others. THese (the white collar criminals come
    to mind first) are not being rehabilitated sitting in a cell, nor is justice
    being served. Justice would include total restitution to the victim of
    whatever was stolen, embezzled or whatever. If these people, who are of no
    real threat to society, were on electronically supervised home arrest
    programs, with supervised work programs within the community, they could
    become productive members of society again, their ill gotten gains repaid to
    the victims, and a tremendous relief would be realized by the overburdened
    prison system. As to the penalties for drug dealers, any and all
    profiteering from the sale of drugs should be a capital offense, and the
    death penalty swift and sure, since they are responsible for more deaths
    than any rapist, murderer or whatever. No prison overcrowding there!

    Message: 60755
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taxes,taxes,taxes!
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 05:57:05

     WHere does the merry-go-round stop?
    Bush wants to throw somethin like 9 BILLION dollars into the drug war. Out
    of our pockets. Arizona's latest committee, Fiscal 2000, predicts a billion
    dollar shortfall in the next 10 years, and guess where they suggest it be
    made up? Income and property taxes, of course! The city of Phoenix is now
    going ahead with Zef Bufman's $35 million amphitheater, in spite of the fact
    that it was exactly that project that gave impetus to the voter's initiative
    that will, if passed, prohibit the concil from doing things like this
    without our specific permission. Now the same council expects us to approve
    yet another $100 million for a baseball stadium downtown! Also to be backed
    in a large part by property tax increases! To say nothing about the big hole
    the grand prix put us into, and guess where THAT oney is going to come from!
     Stop the world! I think I wand to get off!

    Message: 60756
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/laxative
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 06:58:15

    Ha - verrrrry funny - but it never did work 'the other way'! There are many
    ways to rid the system of poisons - through the pores is one of them.
                                 -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60757
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog/Cayce
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 07:20:16

    Re: allergic reaction to aspirin going away in a couple of days: - I'd had
    it over a week and it was miserable with no signs of departing. Besides, I
    did not know what was causing it.
    No - I did not stop taking it. They do not recommend it - but they want
    patients to have a say so in their own healing and I was adament about it.
    With the type of Arthritis I have, if you use inflamatory drugs at the
    onset, there is a good chance there is no crippling or deformity. I have
    none except for a slight bow in my little finger. I did do what they
    recommended re: diet and hot sitz baths for six months - along with the
    aspirin. I don't know if the diet worked or not, but I sure lost weight!
    (no red meat and sugar!) After 2 years I had to stop taking the aspirin and
    my reg. doctor put me on a powerful inflanatory drug that worked fine. Took
    it two years - he checked my blood and told me I could quite taking all
    drugs! Now, I only take it occasionaly.
    I have faith in the clinic because they listen to YOU! They tell you the
    treatment and YOU choose what you want to do. If you need an operation, they
    will tell you and recommend a doctor that is sympathetic to the 'Cayce way'
    of healing. This would mean a personal relationship with the doctor, hugs -
    chats - and attention. I.E. my mother in law had a very serious heart valve
    replacement several years back - she never saw the doctor before or after
    the operation - but she sure paid him handsomely! You can have that! If the
    Cayce clinic is quackery, then give me quackery anytime! -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60758
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/lights
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 07:25:52

    Thanks for the info re: colored lights

    But a nice, handsome man like yourself doesn't go to discos? I don't get it!
                                -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60759
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/hugging
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 07:27:24

    It would certainly be more sterile to hug your doctor than you wife! Of
    course, it might not be as pleasurable! -=*) ANN *(=-

    Message: 60760
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/upset
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 07:29:11

    Hey guy - me get upset? Never! I admit 'I'm full of it' and no diet, no
    pill, no doctor is gonna change that! Of course, on the other hand I'm pure
    and innocent and ...........

    Message: 60761
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: News Today
    Subject: The Repulsive
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 07:34:55

    While glancing through the paper this A.M. - I have a couple of questions
    ...... Not that I'm any admirer of Jim Bakker - but I wasn't aware he was
    proven guilty of anything --- YET - so why did they bring him into the court
    room in leg irons and handcuffs?
    Why is the state attorney general 'trying to devise ways to halt social
    gambling in bars and clubs?'
    Why does Bush always seem to be fishing?   -=*) ANN )*=-

    Message: 60762
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/divide
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 08:34:26

            Talk about dividing people... your posts are geared to do just that.
    You Mr Rod Williams make a life out of dividing people.
            "Religion hasn't done a damn bit of good."  If you believe that, you
    have had your head in the sand.  You refuse to really read and absorb Mikes
    posts...  Religion is the base for morals.."the Ten Commandments" for
    starters.  Jails are full of Atheists that have killed and raped.  There
    goes your brother hood dogma...  Oh yes, you will tell us that most are
    Christian who do this...  That is because their Lawyer told them to say they
    are of some accepted religion... pure theatrics!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60763
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/atheists
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:39:00

    Yes, but the atheist only kills religious nuts.  And I concede, without the
    ten commandments, no one would have the foggiest idea of how to act.

    Message: 60764
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: healing
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 15:40:56

    Whenever I get 'under the weather' I don't go to a regular doctor or even to
    some holistic clinic.  No, I go down to my local church on 'healing' night
    and for a small donation I get as good as new.  And my local minister has
    all sorts of letter after his name.  Things like DD and all that.

    Message: 60765
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Morals
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 17:41:35

       It has been said many times that religion is the basis for
    morals, and even that morality would be impossible without it.
    This view assumes that values must be imposed upon men externally
    in order to be shared and acted upon. If mankind consisted mainly
    of irrational beings this would be true, but the values
    consistent with survival and advancement through specialization
    reveal themselves readily to rational people and become a basis
    for a common system of ethics.
       Threats and promises from beyond this world may work to impose
    order on those who believe in such things, but they go too far
    when they declare that this is the true and only morality.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 60766
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Jim Bakker
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 18:24:31

    One doesn't need to be found guilty of anything to be put into handcuffs.
    The powers that be need only decide that you are a danger to others, to
    yourself or that one could reason that you might try to escape.  Since
    Bakker is becoming mentally incompetent, it is not unreasonable to keep him
    under tight control.

    Message: 60767
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 20:50:45

    Re:  "Todd Reese, James White, Cliff, Paul Savage, You, are
    all so-called good Christians until you discuss your individual beliefs.
    Then you avoid one another."

    Since you didn't mention my name, I guess I'm ok huh?  I've met all the
    above except maybe Todd.  Without exception we have all talked to each other
    about Christianity.  I don't purposely avoid any of them.  You're wrong Rod.
     Why don't you talk about something you know about, because you sure don't
    know much about Christianity.  I don't know how to spell the sound of a full
    blown raspberry.  But here is where it belongs!!

    Be happy Rod!  Life is too short to be grinding axes all the time.  I still
    love you!

    Message: 60768
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 20:54:57

    Re:  "be more sterile to hug your doctor than you wife!"

    Hmmmmm.  Are you saying that Paul's wife is not sterile??  Is that an
    insult?  Hmmmmmm.

    Message: 60769
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Gambling
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 21:13:55

    There are probably several reasons that the city is trying to do away with
    social gambling.  One of them many be that the lobbyists in Nevada are
    powerful people.  If people can gamble here then why go all the way to
    Vegas.  Besides the odds here are better at an individual winning than in
    Vegas.

    Another reason may be the old story about them so-called moralists.  If it
    feels good then you can almost bet that it is against the law.

    Reason three:  The city has not found a way to get a cut of the big bucks
    that are flowing through the gambling halls.  The odd are better at winning
    at blackjack (much) than at playing the Arizona Lottery.

    I believe the reasons are basically economical because there has, to my
    knowledge, been no wholesale murders, robberies or fights from same.

    My final reason is that I really do not know, being far removed from the
    action.  -Rod

    Message: 60770
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/morals
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 21:14:51

    If Christians did not have the ten commandments, especially the one
    that says, "Thou shall not kill", just think:  Our murder rate would be
    ten times higher.  It's a damn good thing that this particular
    commandment does not apply to wars, eh!  It is also a good thing that
    it doesn't apply to 'blowing away' an armed intruder. Because if it did
    then just having those intentions, according to the Christian Bible,
    is a crime in itself.

    It is good that God was not more specific in that commandment.  The
    interpretation has been left up to humans.  And like everything else
    that, thus far, man has devised, is imperfect.  However I was
    impressed by our recent pictures of Neptune.   -Rod

    Message: 60771
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 21:15:23

    I love you too.

    Message: 60772
    Author: Jeff Robertson
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bakker/leg irons
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:47:52

    Actually, the "powers that be" had nothing to do with it.  Bakker was in leg
    irons because his lawyers suggested it would engender sympathy.  If you look
    closely, they aren't even regulation irons.  They are the theatrical type,
    and came from Bakker's well furnished "Rumpus Room".  Word has it that
    Bakker was planning to shave his head, but decided that unkempt hair would
    produce that "pitiful wretch" effect more easily.  It was revealed that he
    spends an hour and a half before each court appearance being made up to
    provide that "I don't care, my life is a nightmare" look, and takes weekly
    lessons from an acting coach who gives seminars on "Bombastic Facial
    Grimaces".

    Message: 60773
    Author: Jeff Robertson
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann/60759
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:48:51

    I agree, it is much more pleasureable to hug Paul's wife than a doctor.

    Message: 60774
    Author: Robert Peterson
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick/color wheel
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:54:30

    They also used it to torture Barbara Stanwyck on Big Valley.

    Message: 60775
    Author: Robert Peterson
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Carter/Outland
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:55:28

    It's only produced once a week, for distribution in Sunday papers.

    Message: 60776
    Author: Peter Sampson
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 00:59:53

    According to the Mayan sacred book, Popol Vuh, after the Makers created the
    Earth and the plants, they created animals, because they wanted their
    creations to praise them and call them by name.  When they saw that it was
    impossible for the animals to speak, they got pissed off and condemned the
    animals to be eaten and sacrificed.  Then they created an animal that could
    speak (man).  Makes sense to me.

    Message: 60777
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: My Dinner with...
    Subject: God - for Peter S.
    Date: 09/08/89  Time: 01:19:34

    I decided that we weren't getting anywhere over this "Thou Shall Not
    Kill" discussion.  Therefore I took it literally to the top.  I
    invoked a 'chat with God' over the issue.

    He was a hard Man to reach but a 'special prayer' did the trick.  I
    would, in all fairness, have to describe this Man as rather shy,
    doesn't like to communicate much.  He would rather send the messages
    through the Madonna or some other minor, but well known, Deity.

    In any case, I did manage to get Him to hear me out on this important
    issue and here is what He said: (NOTE: I have it all on tape recorder
    so anyone who doubts me can hear for themselves.)

    Rod: "Would you please clear up Your Commandment, 'Thou Shall Not
    Kill', Please, Simon sez?"

    God: "Yes.  I sent that to Moses three, maybe four thousand years ago.
    That was my V .01 of The Law.  It means that you or anyone else can't
    walk up to a total stranger and take their life from them.  Nor can
    you plot and carry out a murder scheme on someone that you know.  And
    in haste you cannot kill another human being.

    But it is perfectly okay, and I understand, if you have these big (or
    small) wars and chop each other into little pieces.  (Why do you think
    I allowed you to have those marvelous weapons?  Napalm was one of my
    better ideas, don't you think?)  You can also kill, by any means, any
    soul that you believe is going to take your life.  It's okay, no
    punishment at all.  Of course, all animals other than man is killable
    at your discretion.  Do whatever you like there.  As far as traffic
    fatalities go, well, we just let them slide.  Those don't get put on a
    persons record unless they are on purpose.

    Well, I'm a busy person so I hope this clears the matter up.  Bye-bye
    Roddy."
    NOTE:  It is now my understanding, per the conversation, that 'it is okay to
    kill some of the people, some of the time but not all of the people, all of
    the time'.  Makes sense to me. -Rod

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     1:An excellent post by you on morals.  Hope they understand it.  It was so
     2:good that I read it three times with glee.  -Rod

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