### Apollo BBS Archive - May 10, 1989

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:22:31

    You really thing Jeannie is Sandy? How interesting. I will have to look at
    her posts more closely in the future.
    Re: the liberals vs the others - your right! The liberals do make points and
    the others just go about tearing them apart. Of course, they never come
    across with answers themselves! -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. OOPS! I just thought of something - how can Jeannie be Sandy when Gary
    has claimed to have met Jeannie?
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     1:        It could be a conspiracy between Gary and Sandy or it could be that
     2:in my current illness I am hallucinating.  Take your choice.
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    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 20:59:43

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      I would have to change everything about it for general publication.
       See You Later
          Dean H.
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    Message: 176
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sibel
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 16:04:00

    What ever happened to your relationship with Dean McCarron?

    Message: 177
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 05/11/89  Time: 00:35:33

         More importantly, what ever happened to Dean McCarron?

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    Message: 2228
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Kontest
    Subject: Stories
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 05:40:51

    All the stories were very good, now if all would put their heads together
    they could write the great American novel. They would have to use all of
    this boards members to make it great.

    Message: 2229
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:51:07

    Who you voting for handsome? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 2230
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Kontest
    Subject: Gary J.
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 21:02:42

      I thought Apollo Nights was terrific. If the author didn't still owe me
    ten bucks I might even vote for it myself.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

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    Message: 3080
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Dandy Sandy
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:49:38

    Most of the movies of this sort are strickly turn ons for men not women. Now
    if I made a porno movie .........! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3081
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Debbie/Dallas
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 23:18:52

    Is everybody's fingernails really dirty like Syskel and Ebert (sp?) said
    they were?

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    Message: 58627
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steve/contests
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 06:16:13

    Wish I had said that! Well put Steve!

    Message: 58628
    Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: CONTESTS
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 07:53:42

    Hey.....................Annie..................

         To continue your comparison, the short story contest on the ART SIG
    could just as well be considered exploitation since it favors those with a
    literary bent over those with a musical talent.

         The sole object of a contest is to provide a selection by narrowing the
    field of contestants down to a manageable size.  The Miss America contest is
    a case in point.......

         The object is to select a good looking young woman who can interface
    well with people.  The winner of the contest is given a bunch of prizes and
    then is required to act as sort of a national chamber of commerce booster.
    If one of us old bats were selected on the basis of personality or literary
    talent (I'm sure you's be the winner, Annie) something would be lost in the
    whole process.  Let's not be jealous of another's looks or age, but
    continue to promote our own talents and assets as well as we can.

         The constitutional guarantees of equal opportunity are only that,
    guarantees of opportunity.  We could both enter the Miss America Contest if
    we hadn't thrown away the opportunity by getting married first.  The
    competition is to select a winner according to preset criteria.  As old
    Harry said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!  Should we
    have a Ms. Apollo contest?  See Y'aa.......Jeannie  (how's your bikini?)

    Message: 58629
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: James H.
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:23:55

    I do not think women are forced into prostitution either. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58630
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/women
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:32:35

    Well as a woman, I feel that being taken seriously and equally by men is
    being free/part of freedom!
    Re: being occupationaly used: If a woman poses in a swimsuit on the front of
    a Hunting magazine, the said magazine is using a woman's body to advertize
    their wares! It is totally irrelevant to the contents. In cases like this, I
    blame the woman. -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. BTW - look at women in swimsuits or totally naked for all I care! I see
    nothing wrong in this, but go get a magazine for this purpose - not Sports
    Illustrated!

    Message: 58631
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steve & Jeannie
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 08:46:43

    Regarding contests: your discriptions is not what I mean at all. Can you not
    see a difference between Mr. & Miss America contests and women & men muscle
    buiding contests? The America contests are based solely on looks FIRST! Ever
    seen an ugly Miss America? Jeannie: hell, theres a lot of ugly people out
    there that can interface well with people! Muscle builders have something
    they worked hard and years for - muscles! So do motorcyclists - race drives
    - divers - skaters etc. etc. Their looks have nothing to do with their
    skills. These kind of contests are fun and interesting. I've never seen a
    Miss America contest where the contestant was nothing but a puppet that
    walked around like a stick was up her back, with a fake smile and she's
    supposed to depict the American woman? Come on - get real! If this were so,
    what does she need to appear in a bathing suit at all for? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58632
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Story Kontest
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 09:38:50

            Are there any more users out there still working on a Kontest story?

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    Message: 58633
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 10:53:26

    Have you ever seen a skinny, non-muscled Mr. America?

    Message: 58634
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/Contests
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 11:48:38

      No, I cannot see a difference in principle between beauty contests that
    judge entrants on looks first, and weight-lifting contests that judge on
    strength first, and races of all sorts that judge on speed first.
      There are a lot of ugly people out there who are not strong enough to win
    a weight-lifting contest or fast enough to win a race.  Their looks have
    nothing to do with their skills.
      And Miss America is not depicting the American woman; she's just won a
    beauty contest.
      Totally aside from all this, I think beauty contests are as silly as air-
    guitar contests, and pay little attention to them.

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    Message: 58635
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ahhhhh
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 14:49:08

            Just back from shooting an ASSAULT 30 clip 223...  Man, that was FUN
    to the MAX.   Too bad people who don't know anybetter are selling our
    freedoms down the river, while the judicial system lets the criminal run
    free or get out on some silly technicality.
            By the way, the rifle did not kill a thing, I being of sound mind
    pointed it only at a paper target 50 yards away. (someone on this system
    said they could only be used for killing and were no fun)  The exercise I
    found most fun was the rapid fire precision shooting.  By that I mean taking
    aim as soon as one could after the recoil and fire when the bead was again
    on the target, not just pulling the trigger as fast as one can.

    Thank you Bob H.

    Message: 58636
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 16:03:24

    So let me see if I have this straight.  It diminishes freedom when a woman
    poses in a swimsuit for Sports Illustrated, but not if she poses in a
    swimsuit for a swimsuit magazine, or naked for a skin magazine.  It does,
    however, diminish freedom for a woman to participate in a beauty contest.
    So, let's just make a list here.

    OK                      Not OK
    Swimsuit magazines      Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue
    Pornography             Beauty contests

    I still do not understand, but perhaps I'm just slow.  Please try to explain
    one more time.

    Message: 58637
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Stivo/rakontoj
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 18:11:57

    Mi entajpos kelkajn el ili.  Mi ne havas senliman tempon.

    Cxu vi scias ke ekzistas grupo en Fenikso por Esperanto?  Ni kunvenas kaj
    babilas kaj mangxas ktp.  Vi estos bonvena!

    Ronaldo

    Message: 58638
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 21:28:22

    Re:  "get a magazine for this purpose - not Sports
    Illustrated!"

    I agree.  But the reason Sports Illustrated has a swim suit issue is it
    sells magazines.  The swim suit issue probably sells more issues than any
    other single sports event.  You see, a lot of men wouldn't be caught dead
    reading Playboy, etc.  Some because their wives won't let them, others
    because they think it is not respectable.  But sports!  Any *man* can read a
    sports magazine and even subscribe to it without risking their wives anger
    or loss of respect.  So they get to ogle the girls and still be respectable.
     They will gladly buy a subscription even if they don't follow sports at
    all.  I know some guys wouldn't be embarrassed to look at anything no matter
    how degrading or perverted it might be.  They would probably protest my
    opinion the loudest.

    Message: 58639
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James H.
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 21:29:58

    Re:  "Have you ever seen a skinny, non-muscled Mr. America?"

    No.  Neither have I seen an ugly Miss America.

    Message: 58640
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Steve
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 21:32:56

    Re:  "I cannot see a difference in principle between beauty contests that
    judge entrants on looks first, and weight-lifting contests that judge on
    strength first, and races of all sorts that judge on speed first."

    I can see one.  An ugly person can win a weight-lifting contest.  An ugly
    person can win a speed contest.  An ugly person can not win a beauty
    contest.  There is a difference.

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 354
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 05/10/89  Time: 07:03:31

            Hawley 'active' status, now that's funny!  Rod, you win, I could
    never think of anything as silly!

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