### Apollo BBS Archive - July 25, 1990

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    Message: 67816
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Sex & Love
    Subject: Babies
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 05:51:49

    Will you guys quit having babies?!  I had this incredible dream that I gave
    birth to a baby and tried to breast feed but nothing was coming out so I had
    to cut my breast open under the nipple to get the milk out.
    ARRGGGGG.  Yuck.
    Back to sleep
    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Message: 67817
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 05:56:38

     Congratulations on the newest Westfall! May she live long and prosper, and
    learn to walk with God.

    Message: 67818
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: sysop/morals
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 06:39:58

    And when would say that "religion" was taken out of public schools ? I
    don't remember saying any prayers (1944-1955), nor do I remember any Bible
    instruction, nor do I remember any religious instruction. I was taught
    English, a smattering of the sciences, Latin, Mathematics, and took Shop.

    Message: 67819
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl on baby
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 06:52:44

    Congratulations to you and your wife on your Sarah Beth. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67820
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/last
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:00:52

    I too went to school about the same time you did and don't remember any
    prayers either. We said the pledge of Allegiance using the word God in it
    and that was all. However, when I went to Catholic school .........! Ha.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 67821
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/$tatus Grant
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:27:45

    > I am,
    >
    >                                Me

    Actually, Rod, that's the problem.

    Hey, if we don't chat again before your grand and glorious
    opening at Gallery X, break a leg!

    Message: 67822
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Misunderstood Words
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 07:28:24

    I used to think the first word of the "Star Spangled Banner" was
    "Jose," as in "Jose, can you see?"  Of course, I thought lmno was
    one letter of the alphabet, too.

    Message: 67823
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/msg# 67797
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:15:54

            Re: "I am a fairly strong person..."

            Rod, PLEASE shower before coming to GT.  Use lots of 'Dial' soap.

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67824
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 67795
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:33:02

    I thought it was "since there have been public schools, morals have
    declined."

    Message: 67825
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff Beck/science
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:35:14

    Relative to non-scientific systems, science is superior in dealing with
    empirical questions.  I think it frequently produces true conclusions about
    the universe.

    Message: 67826
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: the real me
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 10:52:40

    Yes, Rod, there is a Sandi Marlin.
    By the way, as I read these, I notice that I seem to be significantly
    younger than a fair number of the regulars...my parents were going to school
    when some of you were...but that doesn't mean that I intend to be a young
    brat. This is one of the few boards I've found since I got BOTH my modem and
    a comm program working at the SAME time where I could get into a good
    philosophical debate and I hope to be a decent regular at your apparently
    civilized BBS...

    Message: 67827
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Guest List
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 11:24:44

    Ann Oudin
    Beauregard Dog
    Bill Burkett
    Bob Thornburg
    Daryl Westfall (unsure)
    Dean Hathaway
    Gordon Little & Wife?
    James Hawley
    Jeff Beck
    Jeff Lochansky (Mad-Max)
    Kim Paskiewicz
    Melissa Dee
    (( space ))
    Mike Carter & Wife  (Fang)
    Mike Kielsky
    Pat Stoddard
    Paul Savage & Wife
    Ralph Blehm
    Rod Williams
    Roger Mann & Wife  (@ 8:30)
    Shirley Bear & Friend
    Steven Carls
    Todd Reese                      And just maybe Jack Flash  (hope)
    PLEASE.... If your Spouse is coming, tell me so I can list it!

    Message: 67828
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Public Schools
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 11:44:59

            In Rhode Island (Town of Tiverton), I do very much recall saying a
    morning prayer along with the Pledge to the Flag.
            This of course is in the mid 50's...
            I also recall the talks about religion and God.  My parents are NOT
    Christians, so I did not get it from them.  My Mom even tried to talk me out
    of believeing in God, but she did let me go to Sunday school anyways, as she
    at least believed I had the right to make my own decision.
            If you think schools have nothing to do with morals, then why are
    public school children so violent and more likely to commit crimes then that
    of Private Christian school children.  I have been around the both groups
    and have found Christian School children more well behaved then that of
    their Public school peers.  (Yes, there are exceptions)

            The Answer:
                    Must be Christian taught MORALS!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 67829
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 12:27:16

    The answer is probably discipline rather than religion.

    Message: 67830
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Schools
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:46:04

      Jim Lippard was right. The decline of moral values does date from the time
    that the system of private schools which left religious teaching to the
    parents was replaced by public schools so that the religion of the status
    quo could be furthered just as much as it dates from any other point.
      See You Later,
         Dean H

    Message: 67831
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Edsels
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:49:25

      There is a '60 Edsel on that lot on Cave Creek which looks much different
    from all the early models. It has the rounded look of the other '60 Fords
    with a tiny Edsel emblem on the grille and a slightly different treatment of
    the rear deck and taillights. I wonder if that was the last Edsel and how
    many of them were produced. Are there any books specifically on the Edsel?
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 67832
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Corvair
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 13:53:12

      In the Ford book I recently read, it said that the Corvair Monza was the
    inspiration for Ford's Mustang, which was created by putting a new body on
    the Falcon to make it look sporty, and dropping in a 289 instead of a 260 V8
    as the top engine option. I used to have a '65 Mustang, but it was beginning
    to be a beater car when I got it and declined rapidly from there, due to
    several accidents.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 67833
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Joke
    Subject: Cars
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 14:17:27

    Who drives aford anyways, you all know what ford stands for, found on road
    dead. I like my El Dorado, it has yet to let me down. I've got that TBI, and
    I think that is about the best form of carburation they have come up with in
    a long time, Get's great gas milage for a big car to, 18 mpg in the city and
    24 mpg on the highway, no lie, and all that with a 350ci, and the comfort of
    leather seats. Ahhhhhh cadillac, what else can you ask for.
    Just thought I'd give my two cents worth.
    The Mad Max

    Message: 67834
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Schools
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 14:41:51

    I was taught none in public schools, and really glad of that fact.

    I would prefer my views of wrong and right come from logical conclusions,
    not fear of a vengeful god.

    Cliff: Religious schools produce better students...I went to one, the kids
    there were the same nasty little beasts as all over, they just dressed
    nicer.

    Message: 67835
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Schools
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 16:22:05

    Of the people I know who attended religious schools, only one of them is not
    mentally screwed up.  The hipocracy that the children see from the teachers
    and what is being taught is, in my opinion, a form of mental child abuse.

    Message: 67836
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 16:24:09

    So, will you be coming?

    Message: 67837
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Marlin/67812
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:36:29

    Well put.  Cogent, but not insulting.  I wish I'd said that.

    Message: 67838
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Joke
    Subject: 67816
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:38:17

    Ah, Beau is at it with the superglue again, I see.  Such a droll chap.

    Message: 67839
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/Edsel books
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 18:53:13

    Well, I have an old set of the reference, Books In Print.  The "Subject
    Guide" is from '85-'86, and contains nothing under "Edsel"; however, this is
    not surprising, as the subjects listed frequently tend to be more general.
    Nor did I see any titles specifically refering to the Edsel under
    "Automobiles, History of" or "Automobiles, Collecting."  However,
    in the "Titles" section of BIP, there was a listing for "Edsel Affair", by
    C. Gayle Warnock.  I have no idea what the book is really about, though it
    does have illustrations, so it may well be a book on the car.

    Your best bet is to go to either ASU library, or (second best) a public
    branch library that has computerized user terminals which allows you to
    do word searches for both subject and title (ASU library has this).

    Message: 67840
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: On the Lighter Side
    Subject: Iced Coffee
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 20:00:24

    Well, I decided to make my own.  It's my first batch, and while it isn't as
    good as that of the Coffee Plantation, it's certainly better than that of
    Duck and Decanter.
    Here's how I made it:

    I didn't feel like investing money in kits.   I used an ordinary graduated
    plastic pitcher (say, marked with number of cups).  Not wanting to waste
    freshly money in case it turned out to be crap, I used only a quarter pound
    of (coarse) ground coffee, Irish Creme in my case. Putting that in the
    pitcher, I added 1/8 gallon (two cups) of BOTTLED water.  It is very
    important that your water is filtered (even the stuff you get from quarter
    dispensing machines in front of groceries will do), otherwise, if you use
    unfiltered tap water, it will have a nasty taste.  I made sure that the
    grounds were submerged, except for a thin film on the top, and let that sit
    at room temperature for 24 hours.  At that point, I filtered it (using an
    ordinary drip coffee basket and several ordinary drip coffee filters.  This
    left me with one cup of concentrate, to which I added three cups of cold
    water (same restrictions).  If your water isn't cold, just refrigerate the
    mixture. This gave me a quart (four cups) of iced coffee.  Fill your glass
    with ice and pour in the coffee, adding milk or sugar as desired. I think I
    added a little too much water to the concentrate, but I'm going to see if it
    "ages" after refrigeration (obviously, you will want to keep this mix
    refrigerated. The ratios are the same for larger batches.

    Message: 67841
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Public schools
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 21:38:59

    I think that the Shinto religion should be taught in schools, if one has to
    be taught. Japan is a very well ordered, safe place, much more "Christian"
    than the U.S. or European countries.

    Message: 67842
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 21:43:00

    Well, lessee... Melissa Dee is probably the youngest person who posts
    regularly on the Public Board... though Jeff Beck, Jeff Lochansky, and
    several others are also in their 20s (I think). There are also several of us
    in our early 30s, but 35 gets you status as an Old Fart -- and there are
    plenty of those around.

    Don't worry about offending when you express religious, political, etc.
    opinions unless you are expressing them in a patently offensive manner.
    We've got pretty thick skins around here, even if the retorts don't always
    reflect that.  Most of us remember, most of the time, that this is only a
    BBS, not a life-and-death situation.

    Message: 67843
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: War!
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 22:51:18

    Except for the imfamous BBS massacre...

    Message: 67844
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Age
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:26:38

    I thought for sure that Jeff was younger than me.  I know for sure that Spaz
    is.  I know my not the baby here anymore, that's for sure.

    Message: 67845
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jeff
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:27:16

    Superglue?
    I don't get it.
    But I didn't understand my dream either.

    Message: 67846
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Supreme Court
    Date: 07/25/90  Time: 23:40:06

    "Make definite assertions," counseled Professor Strunk in his well-known
    book, "The Elements of Style".  James J. Kilpatrick certainly did that in
    his syndicated column published on Monday.

    Lamenting the fragmentation and lack of consensus within the Supreme Court,
    Kilpatrick described the Court's last year of activity as "a stinker of a
    term".  He went on to say:

         The court handed down only 129 signed opinions.  This was the smallest
         number in recent years, but considering the overall quality of the
         opinions this was surely a good thing.  Of the 129, only 15 opinions
         were of general interest.  Of the 15, eight were wrongly decided.

    I had to chuckle at the baldness of that assertion.  My personal opinions
    too have often differed from those of the Supreme Court.  But if Mr.
    Kilpatrick can state flatly with such absolute, authoritative finality that
    the Supreme Court is wrong over half of the time, then maybe we are wasting
    our time and money by having a Supreme Court at all.  Perhaps we should
    abolish it by Constitutional amendment and substitute a single arbiter of
    justice.  We would have to choose him very carefully, though.  We would need
    a person who is never wrong.  Someone like Mr. Kilpatrick, perhaps?

    One of the decisions that Mr. Kilpatrick cited as the "three worst" was a
    ruling that severely limited political patronage appointments.  Explaining
    that patronage was "the glue that holds a party together", he felt that this
    ruling had "struck a devastating blow at the two-party system."

    I can follow his logic that far, but I cannot feel the way he does about
    threats to the two-party system.  I am reminded of one of the classic
    political cartoons of the last decade.  It likened the leading figures in
    the 1980 Presidential election campaign to certain well-known characters
    from the Wizard of Oz.

         Jimmy Carter as the SCARECROW:  "If only I had a BRAIN!"
         Ronald Reagan as the TIN MAN:  "If only I had a HEART!"
         John Anderson (remember him?) as the LION:  "If only I had a CHANCE!"
         The Voters as DOROTHY:  "If only I had a CHOICE!"

    A two-party system doesn't give voters that much of a choice.  Either you
    vote for this crew to run this part of your life, or you vote for that crew
    to run that part of your life.  And just try getting an incumbent out of
    office!  It fails 98% of the time.  Factors like these stifle choice and
    flexibility and lead to political ossification, so I can't feel sorry about
    anything that threatens "the system".  The best I can say about a two-party
    system is that it's a heck of a lot better than a ONE-party system.

    It isn't clear where Mr. Kilpatrick lays the blame for his complaints about
    the Supreme Court, but I don't think he has considered that the kind of
    bipolar philosophy behind a two-party system might itself be partly
    responsible.  Now I've only lived in the U.S. for seventeen years, so I
    can't talk about remote history; and perhaps it would be naive to expect the
    Supreme Court to be apolitical -- especially when justices are political
    appointees in the first place.  But I don't seem to remember, way back when,
    that Supreme Court nominations were discussed in the same terms as they are
    now.

    The politicization of the the Supreme Court seems to have grown by leaps and
    bounds during the eighties.  When a vacancy appears, the media swarm all
    over a new candidate, dissecting his career and writings in meticulous
    detail.  That would be fine if they were trying to assess his legal
    competence.  But there is really only one assessment on their list of
    priorities: Is he "liberal" or is he "conservative"?  As if there were no
    other dimensions to the political spectrum -- let alone other ways of
    measuring a person's worth.

    This simplistic thinking -- no doubt intended for very simple people -- is
    bad enough by itself, but it is compounded by the perception spread by the
    media that there is only one political issue that counts.  And we all know
    which issue that is.

    Are there no other issues of concern?  Other political issues?  Important
    issues of law?  Criminal law, civil law, corporate law, tax law.  But maybe
    the average citizen doesn't know much about those things.

    Perhaps I am being unfair in blaming the media for this incredibly blinkered
    attitude.  After all, they are only reflecting the kind of political
    infighting that is going on in Congress, fueled by lobbying groups.  We read
    that Bush is under pressure to choose an antiabortion candidate.  We read
    that others are pressuring Bush to choose a pro-choice candidate.  There
    will be confirmation hearings in the Senate.  We read that Senator Charles
    Grassley (R-Iowa, as if it mattered) will question the candidate sternly to
    make sure he is not a supporter of abortion.  We read that Senator someone-
    else will question the candidate equally sternly to make sure he is not an
    *opponent* of abortion.  There are three articles on the subject in the
    Arizona Republic today, and the headlines of two out of the three contain
    the word "abortion".

    There is a hint of common sense from Senator Alan Simpson (R-Wyoming), who
    is reported as saying "I think it would be appalling to spend too much time,
    if any at all, on abortion" when the hearings begin.  There is also a ray of
    hope from the candidate himself, David H. Souter, who is supposed to have
    said that if officials have any litmus tests to apply, he is not interested
    in the appointment.  But then, he seems the kind of sensible fellow who
    might be expected to rise above this circus atmosphere.

    He is said to be a hard worker with a keen legal mind.  He also demonstrates
    a streak of no-nonsense practicality by driving cars until they rust -- just
    like you and me.  He is reported to have a wicked sense of humor.  Better
    and better.  Like everyone else, I know next to nothing about David Souter,
    but I have high hopes of him.  He is described, loosely, as "conservative".
    If so, I hope he turns out to be the kind of "conservative" that C. Everett
    Koop was as surgeon general, a man whose first concern was for truth and
    honesty, and political ideologies be damned.

    I may be dense, but I did have the idea that the U.S. Constitution provided
    for Congress and the states to make laws.  The same Constitution provided
    for an Executive branch, so that the House, the Senate and the President
    could all get in one another's hair for the sake of something called "checks
    and balances" among elected officials.  The Supreme Court, I thought, was
    supposed to *interpret* law.  If their final, authoritative interpretation
    of the law resulted in what seemed to be an injustice, then the remedy was
    to alter the law -- at state level, at Federal level, or by Constitutional
    amendment if absolutely necessary.

    The referendum, the state capitol, the Congress, and the Presidential
    elections are supposed to be the arenas where political battles are fought.
    It is deplorable that political pressure groups who fail to win a victory in
    their appointed arenas should try to make a boxing ring out of the Supreme
    Court as well.  I don't deny that the political process has its
    shortcomings, but they will not be remedied by letting the fight spill out
    into the street where people are trying to go about their business.  Let the
    Supreme Court go about its business without political interference, and we
    will have no excuse to complain about the "quality" of its decisions.

    Message: 67852
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Religion in schools
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:03:52

    I see a BIG difference between "religion in schools" and "religious
    schools".  "Religious schools" breathe religion (always a very specific
    brand) down people's necks.  Catholic schools in particular are something
    one is said to "survive".  But I don't mean to pick on the Catholics.  They
    surely aren't the origin of all intolerably oppressive schools.

    "Religion in schools", on the other hand, is different.  I had that, and I
    didn't object to it in the slightest.  I think the greatest impact on kids'
    religious and ethical opinions comes from the home, not from the school.
    For me, a hymn and a prayer every morning in school was just a sort of
    useful cultural addition that eventually (not immediately, but much later)
    helped to stimulate thought about religious issues.  It seems to me that
    people can be more or less divided into three parts (the way Caesar did with
    Gaul):

       1. The people who got religion rammed down their throats, and figured
          "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

       2. The people who got religion rammed down their throats, and hated
          every minute of it and swore undying revenge.  Classes 1 and 2 are
          mortal enemies.

      3.  The people who just got a nice warm feeling out of religion because
          if was offered to them but NOT rammed down their throats.  Lucky me.

    Message: 67853
    Author: Sandi Marlin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: cars
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:18:36

    Really, I like Caddies(the best cars I drove at Enterprise when I worked
    there were the new Sedan D'Villes). That sounds like a new one you've got
    and they're certainly nice cars. However, I drive a Ford for several
    reasons:
    1) I'm a college student and I can't afford Cadillacs, Mercedes,
    Lamborghinis, etc., etc.
    2) Nor can I afford constant repairs, and let me tell you, my old Ford gave
    me less garbage in the time I've had it than any other vehicle owned by any
    friend or family member. My dad's '88 Sentra cost a lot more last year than
    my then 27-year-old original Falcon...and I could tell you some horror
    stories about how many times I took a couple of those Sedan D'Villes for
    non-warrantied work while I was at Enterprise...
    3) I drive my Falcon because it's a special edition of sorts and it's the
    only one of its kind(a 62 1/2 Sports Futura) in operating condition in
    Phoenix or maybe Arizona. There are scores of Cadillacs not only like yours
    but probably the same color with the same options. I drive it because it
    makes a statement.
    4) I love to use it to race appropriate vehicles because nothing annoys
    people with attitudes driving four-cyllinder Jap cars and some V6 cars more
    than to not be able to shake loose that "stupid little turquoise Falcon"(as
    my friends call it. It just wouldn't be the same to pull that trick with a
    '70 Chevelle.
    5) There's probably other reasons but I won't think of them until later.

    Oh yeah, I just thought of what that other reason was.
    5) My car will last longer than yours. Built back when cars were real cars,
    it will run pretty much forever as long as I drive it nice. (When I replaced
    my old engine, which was still running pretty good at the time,
    incidentally, it had 170 K miles and had never been rebuilt or anything. It
    was chewing through 60 weight racing oil at a quart every 300 miles, but it
    still ran good despite its nonexistent compression. And it still got better
    mileage than yours does.)

    Message: 67855
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill Burkett
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:49:31

    Hey man, just to think how my double $tatus would look:

            Author: $$ Rod Williams

    Cool, eh?

    Now do I win it or what?

    (I'll give you $20.)

    P.S.  Thanks for the "break a leg", but don't wish me luck.

    Message: 67856
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sandi
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 00:52:03

    Re: "apparently civilized BBS..."

    Stick around, it becomes real weird around each full moon.

    Message: 67857
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Religion
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:03:44

    If the Christian religion was taught in schools in the forties and fifties
    then we should have a real smooth running country.  The people who attended
    then are now in the upper crust of government and the like.

    I guess it didn't work.

    Message: 67858
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/your 1 of 6
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:12:41

    I will read them off line and comment later.

    Your comment on religion was read and understood and it is my opinion that
    religious teachings tends to hold the human race back and down rather than
    allow a more rapid advancement.

    If our current public schools taught that unless one believes in Jesus as
    the lord and savior of the human race then just imagine how much more
    screwed up this country would be.

    Mental institutions would be bulging at the seams.  But then again I think
    they are and with those from the period of the forties and fifties who were
    taught religion in schools.

    Just to think, being told by the establishment that unless you believe
    something you will be punished forever for not believing it.

    Can you imagine what type of mental illness this would cause?  People should
    be made to realize that the whole thing is a joke and the joke is on
    society.

    Just think, being told this rubbish by people who wear suits and showing
    themselves as so called pillars of a society.  Sick, very sick indeed.

    I noticed that some of you are on this 'age' thing again.  The number of
    times your individual bodies circle the sun is an extremely loose
    guidline if even that.

    What you are doing is following a program which has line numbers from 1 to
    100 and some seem to be following it religiously, so to speak.

    How do you expect to find somthing entirely new if you follow the
    traditional programs?

    Programs no longer need line numbers in order to 'run'.

    The possibilities of what can be are totally without limit and the mind
    can work in either direction.

    You may find that what you believe is what you get so write new lines
    without numbers and see what can be achieved.

    Our programs were generated from previous thinking so go beyond that to the
    new and untried and you just may be another Columbus, so to speak.

    Early man made notes and the information was passed around like a program
    for humans to follow and what is believed by the majority usually holds
    true no matter how glitched.

    Message: 67859
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AGE?
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 01:48:15

    I noticed that some of you are on this 'age' thing again.  The number of
    times your individual bodies circle the sun is an extremely loose
    guidline if even that.

    What you are doing is following a program which has line numbers from 1 to
    100 and some seem to be following it religiously, so to speak.

    How do you expect to find somthing entirely new if you follow the
    traditional programs?

    Programs no longer need line numbers in order to 'run'.

    The possibilities of what can be are totally without limit and the mind
    can work in many directions.

    You may find that what you believe is what you get so write new lines
    without numbers and see what can be achieved.

    Our programs were generated from previous thinking so go beyond that to the
    new and untried and you just may be another Columbus, so to speak.

    Early man made notes and the information was passed around like a program
    for humans to follow and what is believed by the majority usually holds
    true no matter how glitched.  Time does not exist.

    Message: 67860
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon/Supreme Court
    Date: 07/26/90  Time: 02:45:24

    What I would consider fair of the Supreme Court, to wit:

          That any person who teaches a minor that eternal punishment
          awaits them if they do not believe such and such will be tried
          in the Courts of the United States and if found guilty of said
          charges will be put to death by whatever means is feasible in
          the defendants State of residency unless said accused is a minor
          then proper treatment in a care facility will be recommended.

    Perhaps I went a tad overboard there so we could adjust it to read:

          First offense:  Five years and a $5,000 fine with 5000 community
          service hours to be performed in an atheist organization.

          Second offense: Ten years with a $10,000 fine and 10,000 hours of
          community service.

          Third offense:  Imprisonment in a State Mental Institution for Life.

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