### Apollo BBS Archive - April 22, 1988

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    Message: 3385
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Junk Mail..???
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 19:00:02

            Geee, I got this letter in my mail box, and it had only 21 cents in
    postage on it... so it must be junk Mail...  I was about to toss it (since
    Paul said it would be Junk mail) when I knoticed it said "Arizona Department
    of Revenue" on it...  After opening it, I discovered my State Refund check
    inside....   Geeee, good thing I read it... ALL the rest of my mail was
    however garbage!   Poor trees!

    Cliff

    Message: 3387
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: 'Junk'
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:38:36

    My 'junk' mail stated that I had won a 1987 Dodge Dakota P/U.  Did you all
    receive something else?

    Message: 3388
    Author: $ William Webster
    Category: Last....
    Subject: F.B.I.
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:44:12

            Cliff is correct.  Why would anyone think that the F.B.I. would ever
    involve itself in such mundane matters?  We're not in the Soviet Union.

    Message: 3389
    Author: $ William Webster
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: F.B.I.
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:46:43

    Also, the F.B.I. is one of the most beneficial agencies of the U.S.
    government.  Monitoring of your conversations and mail on this medium would
    be a violation of your rights.

    Message: 3390
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:49:20

    Ann, you don't HAVE to read your mail.  Not on Apollo, or not even at home.
    Perhaps you have bought some junk a long time ago, and you got on the junk
    list.  If you bought something real nice, you'd get on the GOOD list.

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    Message: 606
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: TW PUBLISHER
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:13:59

    Timeworks Desktop PUBLISHER ST is now available at Gemini Computer Inc.

         A full-featured desktop publisher with page layout, word processing,
    typesetting and graphics.
         WYSIWYG  (What You See, Is What You Get)

         List $129.95   Gemini's Price $69.95

    Message: 607
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: WordPerfect
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:15:19

    April 18, 1988    (From WordPerfect Corp.)

         Dear Atari Reseller,

         We realize the past six months have been less than pleasant for you in
    having to support WordPerfect 4.1 for the Atari ST.  We are the first to
    admit we made a mistake by releasing the software too early and we do
    apologize.  At the same time we have done everything in our power to correct
    the problems and we are now confident that the product we are currently
    shipping, dated 4-15-88, is reliable.

    Sysop Speaking now....
         I have recieved the new disks (dated 4-15-88) and will update anyone
    (even if you did not buy it from me) who brings in the orriginal copies.
    The update is 3 disks....  'WordPerfect' 'FONT' and 'PRINT' disks.

    SYSOP Cliff....  Let me support you!

    Message: 608
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:25:25

    Hey, Cliff I bought a copy from this little weird guy wearing an elf hat,
    does that mean I can get a free update?  He said that it was a cheaper
    version because all the documentation was on disk.

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    Message: 325
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Rockets
    Subject: Stay Tuned...
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 23:45:00

    The next edition of "As the date of the rocket launch turns" will be
    right back following these words from our sponsors...

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     1:        Does anyone object to March 1, 1989?
     2:end
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    Message: 51861
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hijackers
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 18:14:17

            Whenever a plane is taken over by terrorists, you must assume that
    your mother and father are aboard as hostages.  Why, you ask?
            Because someone's mom and dad are!  You must treat it that way in
    your mind and make your best plans accordingly.
            We live in a fun world, eh, full of killing, but we should expect it
    because that is exactly were our current mentality is as evidenced by our
    ideas.
                                            Rod

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    Message: 51861
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hijackers
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 18:14:17

            Whenever a plane is taken over by terrorists, you must assume that
    your mother and father are aboard as hostages.  Why, you ask?
            Because someone's mom and dad are!  You must treat it that way in
    your mind and make your best plans accordingly.
            We live in a fun world, eh, full of killing, but we should expect it
    because that is exactly were our current mentality is as evidenced by our
    ideas.
                                            Rod

    Message: 51848
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff/Hijackers
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 20:34:58

    I don't think you should apply for a job of hostage negotiater.

    Message: 51849
    Author: $ Steve MacGregor
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Lippard/pronouns
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:04:06

      I think the solution to the pronoun problem is to handle English grammar
    the same way as one book I saw handled Norwegian grammar.
      Let's re-do the gender system.
      First, there should be a gender to cover things.  Neuter works just fine
    for that, so we can leave it as it is.
      Then, a sex-nonspecific gender for referring to beings.  This one will
    take some work.
      That's all the

    Message: 51850
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pregunta
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:06:25

    Mi amigo me dice que Mark Adkins y Chr

    Message: 51851
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Old polls ...
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:42:48

    OK, Mr. Sysop, I think it is abou

    Message: 51852
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 23:48:14

    Oh wonderful, we have a Larouchie on

    Message: 51853
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 01:21:02

    Ann was speaking of the relative lack of bloodshed in movies produced during
    and shortly after WWII, not the war itself.

    Message: 51854
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hijackers
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 05:29:25

    For once, I agree with Cliff. THe more hijackers realize that they can gain
    even some of their objectives, or at least gain international attention to
    their cause, the more hijacking we will have.
     The

    Message: 51855
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: War!
    Subject: Clifford
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 07:58:52

    I cry 'foul'!! Your junk mail infringed upon my privacy -- even before or
    could get on Apollo. Anyway, more than likely I'll get the write protecter
    tab. I'll send you a check in the mail. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51856
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/David
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:02:42

    I was joking wif youse guys. (Thanks Nick) And David, you voiced my opinions
    exactly when you said - "My own feelins is that no war is good, but some are
    necessary to save even more lives"! =*--ANN--*=
    P.S. However, that does not include the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki! -
    My opinion!

    Message: 51857
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Larouchie
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:03:36

    Is that like in 'Coucarochie'? =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51858
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Old ote
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 13:08:06

    (Updated 03/12/88) Sent in by David Burkhart/Modified by Politics

    Have you changed your mind since the last [V]ote?  If you had to Vote today
    from what you know now, Who do you want for President in '88?

    [A] Bush       (R) Got 14 on last Vote
    [B] Dole       (R)     6
    [C] Dukakis    (D)     0
    [D] Gephardt   (D)     3
    [E] Gore       (D)     0
    [F] Jackson    (D)     1
    [G] Robertson  (R)     3
    [H] Ron Paul   (L)     2
    [I] Simon      (D)     1
    [J] None of the above  7

    Poll results to date:
    [A] 21   [B] 0    [C] 5    [D] 0
    [E] 1    [F] 1    [G] 4    [H] 5
    [I] 2    [J] 9

    As you can see, Bush has run away with it, so lets narrow it....

    Message: 51859
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Terrorists
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 14:30:26

       At least they didn't get what they wanted -- release of some other
    terrorists in prison in Kuwiat.  In that sense, their hijacking failed, even
    though they got away.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 51860
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: David/War/Ann
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 18:04:53

            Ann's knows that people die horribly in any war.  What she said was
    the movies on WWII showed the Americans having fun while the Germans and
    Japenese were dying right and left, all without the benefit of blood or
    gore, remember?   Also those older movies protrayed sex by showing a man
    kissing a woman and in the next scene it was the next morning already.
            By the way Ann, out of the five war movies, four were black & white
    WWII and one was Chuck (the man) Norris dealing with terrorist, middle east
    hijackers.  His motorcycle was equipped with rockets, fore and aft and he
    could hit anything without hardly aiming.  He saved us all.
            The movie, Raid on Entebee was a movie based on a real occurance, it
    showed how Isreal soldiers planned and carried out a mission to save
    hostages taken from a plane.  This movie with Chuck (the man) Norris was a
    total parallel although I expected Superman to show up any moment.  Too bad
    we had to fake the whole thing although some KIDS may have believed it and
    joined the military from seeing the movie.
            Rod

    Message: 51861
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hijackers
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 18:14:17

            Whenever a plane is taken over by terrorists, you must assume that
    your mother and father are aboard as hostages.  Why, you ask?
            Because someone's mom and dad are!  You must treat it that way in
    your mind and make your best plans accordingly.
            We live in a fun world, eh, full of killing, but we should expect it
    because that is exactly were our current mentality is as evidenced by our
    ideas.
                                            Rod
    Message: 51862
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 19:03:33

            Well, in that case... I would BLOW up the plane....  That would take
    care of the Hijackers and my Dad.

    Cliff

    Message: 51863
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: The Prince
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 19:25:38

      Whoever examines the actions of Severus, will find him to
    have been a very ferocious lion and an extremely astute fox,
    and will find him to have been feared and respected by all
    and not hated by the army; and will not be surprised that
    he, a new man, should have been able to hold so much power,
    since his great reputation defended him always from the
    hatred that his rapacity might have produced in the people.
    But Antoninus his son was also a man of great ability, and
    possessed qualities that rendered him admirable in the sight
    of the people and also made him popular with the soldiers,
    for he was a military man, capable of enduring the most
    extreme hardships, disdainful of delicate food, and every
    other luxury, which made him loved by all the armies.
    However, his ferocity and cruelty were so great and unheard
    of, through his having, after executing many private
    individuals, caused a large part of the population of Rome
    and all that of Alexandria to be killed, that he became
    hated by all the world and began to be feared by those
    about him to such an extent that he was finally killed by a
    centurion in the midst of his army.  Whence it is to be
    noted that this kind of death, which proceeds from the
    deliberate action of a determined man, cannot be avoided by
    princes, since anyone who does not fear death himself can
    inflict it, but a prince need not fear much on this account,

    as such men are extremely rare.  He must only guard against
    committing any grave injury to any one he makes use of, or
    has about him for his service, like Antoninus had done,
    having caused the death with contumely of the brother of
    that centurion, and also threatened him every day, although
    he still retained him in his bodyguard, which was a foolish
    and dangerous thing to do, as the fact proved.

    Message: 51865
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Hijackers
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 19:50:16

      Whenever a plane is hijacked you must assume that allowing it to succeed
    will encourage even more hijacking (or other terrorism) and that your mom
    and dad will be on the next plane hijacked. If every hijacked plane had been
    rushed and the terrorists killed it would have gone out of style very
    quickly.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 51866
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ann/Movies
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 19:54:25

      Since you were kidding when you said Viet Nam should have been glorified
    in WWII type movies does that mean that you do think the movies released
    during WWII should have been more like Full Metal Jacket and Platoon? I had
    assumed that you were kidding and thats why I asked.
      See you later,
         Dean H.

    Message: 51868
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 401 Logins
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:08:17

    Is this a reason to celebrate?

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 51869
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Demando
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 21:10:03

    C^u vere ke ili geedzinig^os?  Felic^e !

    Message: 51870
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Chit Chat
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 23:12:49

    If one were to assume that one's parents were present on the said hijacked
    passenger vehicle, one would have the more reason to storm the vehicle and
    neutralize the hijackers as quickly as possible.

    Several events have shown that counter-terrorist activities can be quite
    successful, such as the already mentioned raid on Entebbe by the Israelis,
    in 1976, the successful storming of the hijacked Lufthansa airliner in
    Mogadishi by the West German GSG-9, as well as several actions by the
    British SAS.  Of course, they Egyptians really screwed up with their
    attempted rescue.

    Oh well.

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 51871
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 04/23/88  Time: 00:08:02

    Is this guy for real, or what???

    Sorry, and no offense intended, but I can no longer restrain myself.

    Some of the dribble (or twaddle) put forth under that name is absolutely
    astounding!!!  It boggles the mind to imagine that a person, living in this
    country, can develop a mindset with such a distorted view of reality, given
    that those messages are not someones idea of a running joke.

    If (by some obscure chance) these are actually someones opinions, I must say
    that I am baffled, but really do mean no offense.

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 51872
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff/Plane
    Date: 04/23/88  Time: 00:19:09

            Your comment to my recent post was FUNNY!  I forgot about you!
            Okay, any plane that is hijacked by terrorists, please take into
    consideration that your wife, sister, brother, and the Pope or your local
    minister is on that plane because they all have relatives.  Is that better?

    Message: 51873
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 04/23/88  Time: 00:22:05

            Okay, I see your point and I too thought those ideas.  Would you
    seriously consider those same actions if, in fact, your entire family was on
    that particular plane, wife, children, mother, father, brother, sister?
            You may be correct?

    Message: 51874
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael Kielsky
    Date: 04/23/88  Time: 00:25:03

            Weren't there 8 or 9 hijackers on that plane and didn't they have
    the plane 'wired' to explode?  Perhaps better security is the answer, like a
    full search before boarding.

    Message: 51876
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: test upload
    Date: 04/23/88  Time: 00:31:51

          Hypothetically speaking, let's say there was a house on your block,
    the place was rather messy in appearance, and on occasion, screams could be
    heard coming from it.  Many resided in that house and from time to time a
    dead body would end up in the yard.  Most would deem that house to be a
    place of crazies and would stay away altogether.  It would appear that the
    most intelligent members of that family were not intelligent enough to put
    the place in peaceful order, because this house has been basically the same
    for ages.
          The situation I describe is what a space alien would see and feel if
    they happened upon this planet, stay the hell away, none of the inhabitants
    of this planet are intelligent, capable or caring enough to have a good
    place to live, they are still in the illiterate, insanity stage.  Come back
    in a few thousand years and see if it has improved.
          The law of the land is screw your brother for a profit, get fat while
    some poor slob is working for you, after all you aren't related to them (at
    least you don't think so) and you don't even know them, so, it's okay.
          Rent some poor family a house then squeeze them dry, tell them it is
    a comfortable place (but to make it comfortable they must use loads of
    electricity for cooling and heating), stay several weeks longer in Europe
    from their rent increase, it don't matter.
          The sheep accept their environment because they are constantly
    reminded that other places are worse off.  This is a cop-out and while your
    freedoms are being taken away, one by one, you will be told of the other
    places where they neither have freedom or food.

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     1:        Yeah, I'm for real, I grew up in a different place than you.  I
     2:was impressed with different values, I see this country and all of its
     3:propaganda as a lot of hogwash.
     4:        Why, where were you brainwashed?
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    Message: 1290
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 02:58:36

    I'm just waiting to find a million dollars in the trunk of one of these
    repos.

    Message: 1291
    Author: $ David Burkhart
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/21/88  Time: 19:40:50

    Marx was insane, by your own words.

    Message: 1292
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/last

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     1:        Of course Marx was insane, he grew up in an insane world just as you
     2:and I are doing.  Sanity cannot remain for long periods in a horrible zoo.
     3:        Of course if you hide in your closet and don't read anything or
     4:don't listen t any news or television programs, you'd still be insane, you
     5:can't excape the inexcapable.
     6:        Let's kill our enemies then everything will, once again, be okay,
     7:okay?
     8:        Let's get the bad guy, we are the good guys, can you say, GOOD GUYS?
     9:                                A Marxist friend,
    10:end

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    Message: 1292
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 08:25:26

    What you say is true Rod. I can imagine what your feelings are when you see
    those 'kiddie' things when you are doing your job. Of course, you can change
    your job, but it wouldn't change a thing and you'd find the same in other
    fields too. Something is very wrong with our society - but I guess we hav to
    say we are society's children and turn our backs on something that can't be
    changed by one or a few. But unfortunately, sometimes the eyes see and the
    heart lurches. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1293
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/Marx/Insane
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 18:21:09

            Of course Marx was insane, he grew up in an insane world just as you
    and I are doing.  Sanity cannot remain for long periods in a horrible zoo.
            Of course if you hide in your closet and don't read anything or
    don't listen t any news or television programs, you'd still be insane, you
    can't excape the inexcapable.
            Let's kill our enemies then everything will, once again, be okay,
    okay?
            Let's get the bad guy, we are the good guys, can you say, GOOD GUYS?
                                    A Marxist friend,

    Message: 1294
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ed Sharpe
    Date: 04/22/88  Time: 23:55:28

    Oh Carol!  Boy do I know what you mean as far as old motor mouth Ed.  I tell
    you, that guy was something else.  You'd beg and plead...  "Ed, I have to go
    now...  there's someone at the door...  I have an important meeting...  I
    have to feed the dog...  MY PANTS ARE ON FIRE..." and old Ed would just keep
    right on talking...  talking...  talking...  talking........

    It was unbelieveable.

    Perhaps it isn't too nice to talk about Ed behind his back, even if it is
    all in good fun.  Maybe we should mention a few of Ed's good qualities to
    even the score?

    Hmmm...  Now wait.  I had one in my mind just a minute ago.  Yeah, I
    remember now.  Ed took me out to lunch once.  That was real nice.