### Apollo BBS Archive - December 15, 1991

    Mail from James Hawley
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 19:12:38

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    I deserved to be eaten out, eh?

    You volunteering?
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     1:Yeah, I'll eat you out.  A meat grinder sounds like a good tool to use for
     2:the job.
     3:
     4:Speaking of jobs, I had a Dodge D-150 P.U. with the X121 keyway.  First I
     5:tried to pull the ign. plug with a pick but that didn't work so I started
     6:impressioning it getting NO marks (and the doors I was told were different).
     7:
     8:I went through several blanks, both sides with no luck so I thought I would
     9:pull the ignition since I had lots of time with no waiting calls.
    10:
    11:I took the shroud off and determined it was the "4 drift pin model" and also
    12:the wheel had to come off because screws through the turn signal helped
    13:hold it on.  FUN.
    14:
    15:Anyhoo......the damn fucking horn ring screws would not, would not, (2)
    16:budge at all.  I even put a punch on one and beat the cocksucker half to
    17:death with no results.  I tried every phillips screwdriver I had, nada.  So,
    18:I decided to drill them out...but decided to give the plug another chance to
    19:come out.  I had the electrical plug out and when I was 'raking for the
    20:retainer' I pushed on the tailpiece shaft, behind the elec. plug and presto
    21:the fucker pushed out enough for me to rake it the rest of the way, broken
    22:wafer and all.  By the way, it would had initially helped me when I started
    23:the job if I had looked for 'impression marks' on the correct side of the
    24:blank.  What a dumb fucker.           -Me

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    Message: 5250
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 03:55:58

    Are you saying that your car from the 60's doesn't pollute more than current
    vehicles?

    Message: 5251
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 07:06:20

            NO!   But when something goes wrong with the new cars, they are more
    difficult to fix.  My Cuda passes the tests VERY well... (last time I took
    it just because I wanted to)

            Rod's statement that it would take a thousand years ...

            There are MANY things that pollute more then cars...

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    Subject:Cliff

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     1:2000 years?
     2:end

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    Message: 1996
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Star Trek
    Subject: Lantern on ST
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 14:02:17

            On the FILm SIG you mention "Thank God they are stopping at VI"

            Why?   If you don't like the movies, then don't go...  No one is
    dragging you by your 'weenie', are they?

            I have all the released Star Trek movies on LASER disk, and I
    really enjoy them. I have not seen VI so far as I am a little low on funds,
    but hope to see it sometime after the holidays.

            We ARE currently watching all the older movies in order of release
    to get ready for VI.  Last night we watched IV 'the Voyage Home' (the one
    with the whales).

            TRIVIA.. can you name the actress who played 'SAAVIK' in ST II
    and who played it in ST III & IV?

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    Message: 1997
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Saavik
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 20:19:36

    Hmmm. Does she appears on Cheers. No, she was Saavik one time.

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     1:Not a clue.
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    Message: 80581
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: We have met?
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 05:39:22

     WHen? WHere? How could I have forgotten such a monumental event? Oh, dearie
    me! I hope Alzheimer's isn't hereditary! (smile)

    Message: 80582
    Author: $ Green Lantern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Sysop/Gold
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 07:55:00

    Actually, gold has been stable in price for the last several years. My aunt,
    who is a contrary indicator bought gold a $800 an ounce --- the very top of
    the gold bubble.

    Message: 80583
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Vote
    Subject: Questioning ?'s
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 11:16:17

    Why all those "(?)"s in the second set of vote choices?

    Message: 80584
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Arch-1 out of 3
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 11:17:03

    > 1.  The monetary standard of intrinsic value established by the
    > framers of the Constitution was honest -- not necessarily good,
    > or bad, just simply "honest."

    I don't have any problem with this.

    > 2.  The current monetary standard -- or lack of a monetary
    > standard, take your pick -- is patently and flagrantly
    > fraudulent and deprives the wage-earning segment of the public
    > of their labor and their political clout.

    I am not convinced of this.

    > 3.  Two people or more conspired knowingly and intentionally to
    > deprive us of our previous honest monetary standard and to
    > replace it with our current fraudulent monetary standard.

    Ergo, I don't buy this.

    Message: 80585
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Arch-Cost of Living
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 11:17:21

    > What that report fails to mention is that the Cost of Living
    > inflation rate for the last year was somewhere between one
    > hundred and five hundred times that.  You didn't see that kind
    > of increase, though, because it was deferred into the national
    > debt and the interest on the national debt.

    You're asking us to leap again.  :)  The only substantiation you present for
    this claim is the statement itself.  Not very convincing.

    Message: 80586
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Meeting Paul
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 11:17:44

    We met at the last Anniversary GT at Cliff's house.  It's a shame you don't
    remember; it could have been one of the shining moments of your life.

    > I hope Alzheimer's isn't hereditary! (smile)

    You and me both, brother!

    Message: 80587
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Arch-Suspect Keynes
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 11:18:11

    > re ..."Keynesian Economics" and leaps of faith (Message 82543).

    The leap of faith that is required is to assume that because Keynes
    postulated a method by which "governments can  confiscate, secretly and
    unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens," he advocated
    it.  It's not really a leap at all if you're inclined to believe it, as you
    are.  But it does require quite a leap on the part of an audience of
    "non-believers."

    I think it would be similar to quoting me as saying, "The Justices of the
    Supreme Court are a bunch of fools who don't deserve to be making decisions
    for the rest of us," then, when one of the Justices is assassinated,
    fingering me as a suspect in the shooting.

    Message: 80588
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 13:17:07

            The (?) in the second set is because some hard core Atheists do not
    call the TREE a 'Christmas Tree'  but call it by other names.. like maybe a
    Solstices Tree.  To try and get these users to vote, I put the (?) to leave
    what they call the tree open...  otherwise they may take offense and NOT
    [V]ote.

           In the top part of the question, I use the words "Christmas tree" as
    most Christians except this name and are not bitter like most atheists
    over wording.

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    Message: 80589
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Solstice
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 20:58:42

    is just around the corner.  (bitter?)  We have a Solstice tree.  It is an
    old tradition that goes back much farther than any religious holiday.

    Have a happy.

    Message: 80590
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff?
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 22:42:01

    You sound bitter.

    I thought there were many Christians who refuse to "celebrate" Christmas
    with trees, gifts, Santa, etc.

    Message: 80591
    Author: James Matlock
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: various
    Date: 12/16/91  Time: 23:11:29

    Rod:  Thanks.  And no, I don't advocate a gold standard (or a tungsten
    standard!)

    Cliff:  re: "I don't see where gold has gone up in value; I see where the
    greenback has gone down."

      I'm not sure I buy this.  In the early 1970s, digital calculators cost
    hundreds of dollars.  Now, you can buy them at a swap meet for a buck a
    piece, and they're of better quality.  Does this mean that the value of
    of digital calculators hasn't gone down, but that the value of the greenback
    has increased?  I guess what I'm driving at is that price is influenced by
    all kinds of things.  What basis is there for picking an arbitrary date in
    U.S. history, and choosing gold's price, in U.S. dollars, based on that, and
    then using that as some kind of absolute standard?