### Apollo BBS Archive - May 22, 1991

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    Message: 7421
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael/noise
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 05:41:11

     Well, you have taken the extra step in approaching your neighbor with the
    problem, and he has apparently rejected your reasonable requests.
     My suggestion would be that, since he is determined not to be a good
    neighbor anyway, you have every right to seek help in securing your peace.
    There is an anti-noise ordinance in the city. Call the police and request
    (nay, demand) that it be enforced. THere is no reason for that much noise,
    especially after 10 PM.

    Message: 7422
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael on noise
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:22:17

    I think it is against the law to make a lot of noise after 10:PM - so you
    have a right to complain to the police. Also, didn't we pass a law about two
    years ago where you can report your neighbor for such things? Of course, he
    can turn around and complain about your yard - but it might be worth it to
    clean it up than lose the sleep! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7424
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:51:32

    I forgot to mention that I park my almost antique car with original paint
    outside.  The stains from the eggs Jeffrey Johnson threw on my other car in
    broad daylight never came out completely, but the police were no use because
    they didn't have enough proof that he did it.  Does this affect your
    recommendation?  Also, my cats wander through their yards on their nightly
    prowls. Another neighbor once saw the man beating the woman in the front
    yard during the day; these are NOT stable people.

    Earplugs are an idea I hadn't thought of.  I DID think about getting some
    sort of pink-noise generator to mask the sound.

    Message: 7425
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Felix
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 15:16:53

      I was referring to Bob Thornburg. He was a guy who used to use Apollo. He
    became convinced he was a Bobcat however and disappeared. I believe it is
    called the Goldthwaite syndrome.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7426
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Earplugs
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 18:25:19

    No doubt some kinds are uncomfortable.  Earphones too.
    There are many designs though.  I prefer the cylindrical
    foam kind that you compress by rolling between the fingers
    before inserting into the ear canal.  For sanitation, one
    person per pair of earplugs, please!  There is a wax design
    that seems to leave a slight residue on your fingers, but it
    seems more effective at blocking noise.  These things are
    great.  There was a guy today at work that couldn't stop
    talking.  He must have had two lumps of ego in each of six
    cups of coffee.  I inserted the earplugs and he vanished!
    Everyone should carry a pair.

                        Apro "Now About Those Odors..." Poet

    Message: 7427
    Author: $ Felix Cat
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 19:50:32

    Re:  He became convinced he was a Bobcat however and disappeared.

    Sounds like some kind of a nut case.

    :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

    Message: 7428
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:11:04

    It's getting along towards summer.  Sounds like and excellent time to
    insulate or get in touch with Carter.

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    Message: 1590
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Blazing Saddles
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:55:14

    Do you know movies about beans?

    Message: 1591
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Apro/Trinity
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 15:22:37

      There were several westerns made starring Terence Hill about twenty years
    or so ago. He played a seedy, but charming, character called 'Trinity, the
    left hand of the devil'. He was a card sharp and gunfighter. His brother
    'Bambino' was a big, burly man who was good with a gun but favored
    one-on-many fistfights, and fancied himself an accomplished horse thief.
      The movies are very funny.
       See You Later,
         Dean H.

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    Message: 75337
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Rod___Last
    Date: 05/22/91  Time: 23:30:53

        Yes, there are several thousand different interpretations of every
    sentence in the Bible. But how many of them are based upon the commentator's
    own imagination, and how many of them are based upon a sincere belief in the
    accuracy of Scripture?

        The Hebrew for the word describing the ones that were jeering Elisha is
    well translated as "young men," men who were young, but of the age to make
    their own decisions and to be responsible for those decisions.
        By calling Elisha a "baldhead," they were expressing utter disdain for
    Elisha because they felt he had no power. (Among the ancient Jews, baldness
    was uncommon. Healthy hair was considered to be a sign of strength and
    vigor.)

    Message: 75339
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Call This Number
    Date: 05/22/91  Time: 23:39:20

    (This is not a hoax or a prank.)

    For a little bit of phone fun after you log-off Apollo, call 285-0000. It is
    a free telephone entertainment service called Zzzzzygot. It features a
    rotating joke line, and a voice bulletin board.

    The service is rather new, and has received no publicity other than word of
    mouth. (I ran across it because it was the last possible listing in the
    Phoenix business White Pages.) The operators of the system really want to
    see a lot of use and input, especially were the voice bulletin board is
    concerned. Call often, leave interesting messages, and pass the number along
    to all of your friends. The operators will most likely place more new
    messages online more often once the activity starts to increase.

    Again, for fun of a different kind...

    CALL ZZZZZZYGOT AT 285-0000.

    Message: 75340
    Author: Paul Harris
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Bill B./last
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 00:25:42

     ---Wellll, I'm no religious nut ...but total atheism has its own
    problems of irrationality also.
      To paraphrse something I read from Thoreau: If you were to peer inside a
    magnificant clock, at all the gears, wheels and springs which made it work;
    would you assume this object was comprised of material which came together
    by sheer chance? And yet how much more complex is life itself than the
    workings of a clock? Even if "God" amounts to nothing more than a "system"
    or a "Universal mind", it still would offer an antithesis to atheistic
    dogma.
       By the way, I agree with a former post which claims that no matter who
    God is, He (or she) surely doesn't give a hoot about being worshiped and
    praised. In a former life, I was a musician, and I can tell you, nothing
    gets old faster than hearing how great you are from admirers. And you can
    bet, I didn't hear it that often.____PH____

    Message: 75341
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie/W.B.
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 05:30:20

     Well,Annie, Cliff was touting Wild Barbarian as a nice guy. I guess maybe
    this BBS can't tolerate nice guys. After all, look who's here! Williams,
    Burkett, Dog, you, me. Some "nice guys" are just particular abuot the company
    they keep.

    Message: 75342
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul H.-No Logic
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 07:46:03

    > Wellll, I'm no religious nut ...but total atheism has its own
    > problems of irrationality also.

    I agree, absolutely.  Thoreau's statement is quite beautiful and simply
    applies the paradox of science v. irrationality to another facet of the
    problem.

    > In a former life, I was a musician...

    What did you play and where?

    Message: 75343
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on sending
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:07:32

    I'd certainly look around the universe for another place to send my child
    before I'd place him here. But then, if I had that kind of power, I'd create
    a place for him that was an Eden - without out the 'Temptation' because I
    knew before hand that my child would fall prey to this 'Temptation' and
    suffer throughout eternity for it, so I just wouldn't include {it in my
    scenario of creating a place for my creation, my son! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    P.S. Simply because I love him, that's why!

    Message: 75344
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl on Rod
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:14:09

    Re: your "what I meant is that Rod should do some basic homework before he
    attempts to speak on a topic that he knows too little about"!
    Too little about? I always thought Rod knew quite a bit about the Bible and
    was not lying that he has read it before!
    What people miss is thinking that if he just read it or let himself become
    born again or something like that, that he would see 'the light' so to
    speak. I feel he has came to his decisions FROM LEARNING and has decided
    that he just doesn't believe - same as you reading the same thing and
    deciding to believe! See? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75345
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 08:16:47

    Re: the 50,000 different gods in the world that want to be worshipped -
    -- I have a button on my bulletin board that says .....

                             "ROD IS GOD"

    Is that the one true god? :)      *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 75346
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill Burkett
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 15:53:56

    Hi,
      I thought for a second about making some smart alecky reply, but the
    thought of an Escort as a replacement for a Jeep made me realize that you
    don't deserve any further abuse.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 75347
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Guess The Author!
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 18:40:12

    Therese:
    ... Is it possible, I wondered, can it be that there are men
    so hardened as to have stifled their capacity for gratitude
    in themselves?  This virtue to which I surrender myself with
    such charm whenever an upright spirit gives me the chance to
    feel it ... can this virtue be unknown to certain beings,
    can they be utter strangers to it?  and may they who have
    suppressed it so inhumanly in themselves be anything but
    monsters?

    The preceding excerpts were from "Justine," by Marquis de
    Sade

    Maurice Girodias:
    Justine was first published a hundred and seventy-four years
    ago, and after a decade of success was seized and suppressed
    by Napoleon's police.  Thereafter it remained out-of-print,
    but not forgotten, for well over a century.  After World War
    II, a young, enterprising French publisher, Jean-Jacques
    Pauvert, republished it as part of an ambitious project to
    republish the complete works of Sade.  I have asked one of
    the editors of the recently published Grove Press volume of
    Sade's works -- which contains the complete "Justine" -- to
    provide the description of the circumstances surrounding the
    composition and original publication of this work.

      The most famous of all Sade's works is the novel "Justine."
    It is also probably the one he cared the most about -- Sade
    dedicated it to the faithful companion of the last twenty-five
    years of his existence, Marie-Constance Quesnet.  It was
    also the book which caused him the most difficulty with the
    authorities during his lifetime.
      Sade finished the first draft of this "philosophical novel"
    while he was a prisoner in the Bastille.  Working
    uninterruptedly over the two-week period from June 23 to
    July 8, 1787, Sade completed the hundred-and-thirty-eight-page
    manuscript, which he entitled "Les Infortunes de la Vertu."
    Originally intended to become a part of the volume he was
    then preparing, "Contes et fabliaux du XVIIIe siecle, this
    "first Justine" underwent considerable revision in the course
    of the following year, and Sade soon determined to strike it
    from his list of tales and make it a work unto itself.
      Writing to his lawyer-friend Reinaud on June 12, 1791, a
    little more than a year after the revolutionary government
    had rendered him his liberty, Sade noted: "At the moment a
    novel of mine is being printed, but it is a work too immoral
    to be sent to so pious and so decent a man as yourself.  I
    needed money, my publisher said that he wanted it well spiced,
    and I gave it to him fit to plague the devil himself.  It
    is called 'Justine or Good Conduct Well Chastised.'  Burn it
    and do not read it, if perchance it falls into your hands.
    I am disclaiming the authorship...."
      In fact, the original edition of "Justine" -- the author's
    first work published during his lifetime -- did not bear his
    name.  Printed in Paris, "Justine" first appeared in 1791 in
    two octavo volumes, with a frontispiece depicting Virtue
    between Licentiousness and Irreligion, and at the place on
    the title page generally reserved for the publisher's
    imprint there appeared the vague description: *In Holland,
    At Associated Booksellers*.
      "Will it not be felt," writes Sade in his dedication,
    "that Virtue, however beautiful, becomes the worst of all
    possible attitudes when it is found too feeble to contend
    with Vice and that, in an entirely corrupted age, the safest
    course is to follow the others?"  If this be the impression,
    says Sade, it is wrong: this work is intended to combat such
    "dangerous sophistries," such "false philosphy," and show
    how Virtue afflicted may turn a thoroughly depraved and
    corrupt spirit wherein there yet remain a few good principles,
    back toward the path of righteousness.
      During the decade following its publication "Justine" went
    through six printings (one of which, actually done in Paris,
    bore as the unlikely place of publication: "Philadelphia"),
    eloquent testimony to its early popularity.  Doubtless
    prompted by its success, an enterprising Paris publisher,
    Nicolas Masse, brought out, in 1797, the monumental ten-volume
    work entitled "La Nouvelle Justine ... suive de l'Histoire
    de Juliette, sa soeur," which was freely offered, at least
    for a year following its publication, in the leading Paris
    bookstores.  Then, in the waning two years of the eighteenth
    century, searches and seizures began, ending with the arrest,
    on March 6, 1801, of the man who was purported to be, but
    adamently denied that he was, the author of both works.  On
    that day, both Sade and Masse were arrested on the latter's
    premises.  A search of Masse's offices revealed a number of
    manuscripts in Sade's handwriting, as well as printed
    volumes of "Justine" and "Juliette" annotated in his hand.
    Masse, after being detained for twenty-four hours, was
    releases upon the condition that he reveal the whereabouts
    of his stock of "Juliette," and there is evidence to indicate
    that the publisher, to save himself, had denounced Sade to
    the police.  Be that as it may, Sade was once again
    incarcerated, first in Saint-Pelagie and then, two years
    later, in the Charenton asylum, where he was to remain a
    prisoner until the end of his life.

    Message: 75351
    Author: Paul Harris
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill's Questions
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 20:59:41

    Leave it to Thoreau to develop an antithesis to a developing argument. Re:
    your question Bill, I play a bit of guitar, keyboards and Bass guitar.
    Professionally, I've mostly played Bass. I was most recently in a band
    called Fantasia (pronounced Fahn-tah-zee-ah) which played Brazilian music. I
    quit to finish school, but the band recently regrouped with most of the
    original members under the name Brasilia. By the way, if anyone is
    interested in the real item (Brazilian music) Brasilia will be playing at a
    free Dobson Ranch concert on June 27th. Don't expect to understand a
    word---unless you speak Portuguese! I've founnd Brazilian music to be some
    of the most exciting music around. The rythms are complex and infectious,
    the arrangements are very sophisticated, and the melodies are strong and
    memorable in spite of all the other things going on. The best of all worlds!
    You won't miss the absence of English.

    Message: 75352
    Author: Randy Sanders
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: My First Day
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 21:44:08

    Rod, I think I finally made It. Took a half-day off from work.
    went out with the "Boss" to Bid a 500,000 sq ft. project in Scottsdale.
    He said I get to be the Project Manager of all of This, O boy! lots of
    work to say The Least.
    By the Way, I hear You are Pregnant, again. Again? how about a bunch of
    Twins, this Time. just joking. cheaper by the Dozen.

    Message: 75353
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Ford 390 distributor
    Date: 05/23/91  Time: 21:55:42

            I am looking for a Ford 390 distributor .. One of the older ones
    with a single set of points.   Got one laying around?

            By the way guys, I am not ignoring you these past few days.  I have
    one dilly of a cold, and machine work that is not getting done as fast as it
    should because of the cold.  I hope Bill (Cub SysOp) Burkett is on the job.

            Take care....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- sniffle, sniffle.....

    Message: 75354
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl...how many
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:14:08

    I would say that all of the interpretations are based upon a sincere belief
    in the accuracy of scripture, wouldn't you?

    Message: 75355
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl/Bears tearing
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:15:44

    Well, at least the bears had fun and it did stop the kids from making fun of
    baldness, I suppose.

    Message: 75356
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Apro/Sade
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:27:55

    That was an interesting and moving message.  You jogged my memory somewhat
    and now I am aware that during the late sixties I read quite a lot of Sade.
    From the little that I remember, what I read was fairly brutal.

    Since you took me back that far I also remember I read several books by
    Jonathan Swift which were delightful.  -Rod

    Message: 75357
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/true god
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:37:23

    When addressing me please do it correctly.  It is Rod the god, not Rod the
    God.

    I agree with your answer that states you would not dump your child off on
    planet earth.  I couldn't do that to anything I loved either, although it
    just looks like I may have done so.

    I have but two commandments and they are, (1) Have fun as a world and (2)
    Your freedom ends where another's nose begins.

    Since, as a real god, I know past, present and future, I can tell you that
    36 per-cent of that which I create into existence will end up spending all
    of its eternity in a place of eternal punishment.  And since I create quite
    a lot, you can just imagine how big hell is and will be.

    Please send cash.

    Message: 75358
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul Harris/Thoreau
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:39:21

    In essence I agree with H.D. Thoreau.  Good messages.

    Message: 75359
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Randy Sanders
    Date: 05/24/91  Time: 00:40:06

    Does this (project manager) mean that you are no longer quitting?

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