### Apollo BBS Archive - August 27, 1990

    Mail to John Cummings
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 03:09:33

    I let my children know that taking something that is not theirs, without
    the permission of the so-called owner, to keep permanently, to deprive
    another, is not a good idea as this causes several things to happen
    depending upon the circumstances.

    I destroyed a childs toy once but I had good reason.  Usually there is a
    reason a child destroys another's toy.  I wouldn't put the blame 100% on the
    destroyer of the toy and the complete circumstances of the situation may
    never be found out especially if the parent looks angry when questioning the
    children involved.  It could be out of jealousy in which case the jealous
    person became jealous for a reason, usually from improper bonding.  Sometime
    a parent may cause this condition of improper bonding out of innocence or
    totally unintentional.

    A child has a lot of surplus energy because they do not have to, in our
    present history, go to work everyday although their school CAN cause the
    same type of syndrome that working class people often develop.  In any case,
    children usually have more energy than parents as a whole.  A child runs up
    to his father and asks him a question, the father may have had hades for a
    day, a day of much effort for his boss.  Perhaps things at work did not go
    real well as the fender smashup on the way to work in the morning rush hour
    traffic caused overbearing tensions.  So you snap at the kid but realizing
    what you have done you gain your composure because after all it is your kid
    you are now talking to and not some John Doe.  Kid number two enters and you
    are nice to him so kid number one breaks kid number two toy.  It isn't right
    but neither was the parent snapping at him because he didn't do nothing,
    just waiting for you to get home so he can spend some time with you.

    The above was just one scenario out of literally thousands and in the above
    case it was a part the parents fault too.  No one is innocent.

    We all are kin, everyone in the entire world, let alone the universe.  We
    come from it and are composed solely of it and each pixel is equal to each
    other, ad infinitim.

    There are some people who just disgust the hell out of us but at the root
    level we are brother.  When it comes right down to it we are all in the
    same pot.

    I explained the economics of theft to my children.  They know that
    capitalistically speaking prices must be raised in order to make up for all
    losses.  They know that a $1.00 loaf of cheap bread would sell for a dime if
    the overhead of the establishment doing business did not have to have locks
    or their maintenance on the doors, that they didn't need a safe to hold the
    paper money or the servicing of it, that he didn't need a guard service or
    the services of an armoured car.  And that they didn't have to make up for
    their theft losses from the previous year.

    Some people steal in order to survive and others for the thrill.  The
    thrill seekers should have explained to them the economics of the situation
    in total and the ones who do it for survival should be helped to find truly
    useful lives.

    I would hazard a guess that our world society is so out of balance from
    improper or a lack of bonding between cultures.  But most everyone loves
    their children and for a time their children love them.  Some children never
    leave the bond and some do and it depends on how strong it was made and how
    well it is maintained.

    Those parents showing little or no love to a growing child can cause
    serious problems in that child not to mention the parent.  I would say that
    many a truly bitter person is from a home that did not create a bond.  And
    if they do not find a bond then they may become cureably insane.  Of course
    the cure is some type of bond.  Some people for one reason or another turn
    toward a religion that offers love from a so-called higher being or being
    supreme if you will, hold the mustard.

    There are really a lot of bases to touch and this is becoming rather long.
    I just started writing this because I previously missed a few of your
    questions that you asked me in mail.  Though I feel I could go on for days,
    I too must become a working man on the morrow, Monday the Yuk but at least
    next weekend will be a three-dayer so to speak and there is a possibility
    that I won't have to work away from the house on other peoples problems or
    be gone from morning to evening.

    And one of these days the weather will turn and the heat will stay away for
    a period.   WHAT A DESIGN.                  -Rod

    P.S.  I'll understand if you do not answer these posts right off as I
    believe there are nine of them.  Whatever you want to do will be fine by me.

    Public & Free Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 68941
    Author: $ Sandi Marlin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: japan/germany
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 20:13:22

    I'm German enough to resent people thinking until the end of time that all
    we're interested in is taking over the world...the only person who's spoken
    lately of taking over anything is Hussein who would like very  much to have
    the middle east and has said so...
    As I said, I'm not an economics expert, but I've been paying attention to
    all sorts of news lately and I know the Japanese market has had some bad
    days since the incident and economics people have been saying that that has
    an effect on our market since the Japanese invest so heavilly in our
    country.

    Message: 68942
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dog/help
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:07:16

    out monetarily. I saw Sen. Kerrey of some mid-western state on meet the
    press today. He said that he thinks we need to pay for the troops over
    there because we need to "pay" for cheap oil and convenience of cheap fuel.

    Message: 68943
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: rod/dying
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:08:01

    please enlighten us.

    Message: 68944
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: rod/war
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:12:13

    What if the immediate response of Bush sending troops into the mid-east
    prevents war ? If Hussein had invaded Saudi Arabia and gained control of
    the saudi oil fields and then felt free to attack Syria or Israel or
    annex Jordan to become the "madman" dictator with chemical weapons and
    nuclear fuel and with the ability to blackmail the rest of world, would
    we have said "If only we had acted before..." So, I don't think that Bush
    has acted because he wants to fight a war, I think he has acted because he
    wants to prevent a war. But, then again, I could be wrong. I tend to agree
    with you on the point " I wish I knew the true scoop" And I wish I didn't
    have this nagging feeling that the military establishment likes to have a
    war now and then to keep experienced officers around to teach us how to
    fight in the next war.

    Message: 68945
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/integration
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:15:53

    Here's a suggestion : Go to ASU or GCU and take Analytic Geometry, Calculus
    I and II, Differential Equations, Integral Calculus, Partial Differential
    Equations and then we'll discuss whether integrating a differential equation
    results in a continuous or discrete function. Hint: integrating a
    differential equation always results in a discrete function, unless the
    differential equation has discontinuities. And, in the limit, dx is not
    discontinuous.

    Message: 68946
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: jeff/einstein
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:17:04

    you mean non-inertial systems, right ?

    Message: 68947
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Methanol fuel
    Date: 08/26/90  Time: 21:53:25

    It is ethanol that they add to gasoline...If you think the difference is not
     a big deal, try drinking an ounce of each.
    Or burning it in your car. Methanol burns hotter than gasoline, while
    Ethanol burns cooler...

    Message: 68948
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/oil
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 01:00:24

    It would be ruinous.  And if you think that alternative fuel sources are so
    easy to come by, keep in mind that there has been an enormous financial
    incentive (to any potential inventors/discoverers) for quite some time, and
    we don't have a viable alternative yet.  The question is not "do we want
    war?"  The question is "what are we willing to fight over?"    There is
    also, as I have mentioned, the fact that we don't need another superpower to
    complicate world affairs, particularly one run by a power hungry
    meglomaniac.  That is not the say that other superpowers are not; but why
    allow another to grow?  The world scene is finally, in some respects,
    beginning to settle down (i.e. the cold war is over).

    Message: 68949
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: paying for help
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 01:02:06

    The Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. has said that Kuwait is willing to foot
    the bill.  Whether or not they would make good on this, and to what extent,
    is another question.

    Message: 68951
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/integration
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 01:19:35

    I don't know how to make my meaning clear to you.  It is not the fact that
    "in the limit" a continuous function is not achieved.  It is the fact that
    the concept of limit is a purely mathematical concept.  In order to give any
    physical meaning to such processes, approximations must be made.  When you
    say that velocity vectors are straight lines, and that the integration of
    their resultants results in a continuous circular function, you are not
    saying anything about actual physical motion.  Perhaps I have been
    misinterpreting you, but I was under the impression that we were talking
    about actual motion, and you will never get continuous circular motion by
    adding up a series of straight line motions, no matter how small.  You will
    get better and better *approximations*, but to give a physical meaning to
    the result, you must introduce the purely analytical concept of limit.

    Message: 68952
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/Einstein
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 01:26:00

    No.  The quote was verbatim and correct.  I said inertial systems, and I
    meant inertial systems.  And so did Einstein.  You have it backwards.  If
    you have a beef about this, look up the reference I provided; it's on page
    150.
    To get away from that, you have to go to the General Theory.
    In the his 1905 paper (the special theory) Einstein only considered the
    special case of motion at constant velocity.  That is why it is called the
    "special" theory.

    Message: 68953
    Author: Dark Helmet
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Jeff Beck
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 02:05:28

      How much math have you had?

     --  May the Schwartz  /O_O\  be with you!

    Message: 68954
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff and Roger
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 03:28:20

    I will answer both your posts tomorrow as sleep is tearing into my skull.  I
    was trained to become sleepy when a kid and it worked.

    In a few decades most probably we humans will have a good laugh looking at
    the oil driven, internal combustion engine in some museum.  We'll say, "Why
    didn't we think of that before, it was so simple."

    I found or rather death found me in New Orleans, Louisiana in May, 1969 and
    I've not been the same since.  (same as what, you ask.  I don't know, I
    answer.)
                                            Rod

    MAKE LOVE NOT WAR.

    Message: 68955
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 08/27/90  Time: 03:29:00

    I see where you are coming from on the war issue and I agree.

    MOTHERS FOR PEACE.

                                    Rod