### Apollo BBS Archive - July 4, 1988

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 3857
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question?
    Subject: The 4th?
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 02:00:43

            Does anyone have anything planned for the 4th?  (in the way of a GT
    that is...)

    SYSOP

    Message: 3858
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 02:58:22

    Yes, we've all planned a GT and purposely not invited you. Seriously,
    if anyone is would like to get together, I would be interested.

    Message: 3859
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Get-Togethers
    Subject: July 4
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 10:26:21

    I'll be at Westercon during the day, but I might be able to attend something
    in the evening if I get notice of it.

    $tatus Club Bulletin Board command:JN

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

    *=* The outer COSmos Bulletin Board entered *=*

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 1571
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Rod...
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 02:07:14

            Are you a Communist Rod?   The more I read your posts, the more you
    sound like one...   This is just a question since you always seem to be down
    on Capitalist and anyone who works hard to get ahead.....and makes it!
    Why is someone like you that is so bitter with this country still here?
            If you are, don't take this wrong, you are still welcome on this SIG

    Message: 1572
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Zak/who left thang?
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 09:59:47

    A fellow with the initials of T.B.A.H.O.T.A. Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=

    P.S. For those of you who do not know what those initials stand for - it's
      - 'The Biggest Azz Hore of them All'! Now, who fits that discription the
    best?

    Message: 1574
    Author: $ Zak Woodruff
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 14:28:38

    I don't know.  Let's have a ote.

    Message: 1575
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Cliff/Red
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 14:43:46

            No, I am not a commie.  I can't be one since I do not know enough
    about communism, in fact I know very little about it.
            I am not down on people who make it, I am down on the power brokers
    who could ease the situation on this planet but choose not to.  I am not
    against the ghetto person who grows up to find riches, I am against the old
    line war mongers who think 'greed'.  I am not a bitter person, not at all.
                                    Rod
    P.S.  I think anyone who knows me, understands that I am not bitter about
    anything.  I acccept my lot and my struggle but realize that it is possible
    to make it better through some type of action.  I am in a learning process
    right now and what I put out and receive is greatly helping me for the
    future when Apollo is gone or I have moved.  I will then write but not on a
    BBS.  I need what is happening right now, it is my trial by fire, so to
    speak.
            As I said on the main board, I do not know if I am right or wrong
    but damn it, I am going to learn as much as I can during this period.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:JN

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

    *=* INSult (SIC) Bulletin Board entered *=*

    INSult (SIC) Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 96
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: ANNIE the Fanny
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 10:03:19

     "Rod Williams is the most intelligent, handsomest, loving, caring human
    being that I know of"! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

    INSult (SIC) Bulletin Board command:ED

    You chose Dog Doo-Doo

    Subject:Ann/last

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        But this is susposed to be an insult SIG.  You've blown it, Babe.
     2:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 97

    Message: 98
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Take a Leak
    Subject: Last two....
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 17:08:53

            That was an INSULT dog breath....

    Message: 99
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Dog Doo-Doo
    Subject: To The 4th....
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 17:44:18

      l l*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *//iiiiiii\\||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l                          ///#.####.#\\\\||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * \\\(~)  (-)\\\\\
      l l                          ///   OO    \\\\           I'M  A
      l l*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * \\ _/\/\/\ /////|||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l                          //\\  ,  /////|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *//  \\___//\\\
      l l                         _____l___l_______       YANKEE  DOODLE
      l l*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *__/         .       \__||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l||||||||||||||||||||/    ~  . ~    ~  ~      \ ||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l                   /       ~  .    .          \
      l l                  /      /~       l  l ~\      \      ANNEE
      l l|||||||||||||||||/      /  l  l   l  l ~ \      \||||||||||||||||||||
      l l||||||||||||||||/      /   l  l    \/     \      \|||||||||||||||||||
      l l                \     /\    \/            /\     /
      l l                 \    \l                  l/    /
      l l||||||||||||||||||\    l       (@ )       l    /|||||||||||||||||||||
      l l|||||||||||||||||||\   l                  l   /||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l                    \  l                  l  /
      l l                     \ /                  \ /
      l l||||||||||||||||||||||/         __         \|||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l|||||||||||||||||||||||l       /  \        l|||||||||||||||||||||||||
      l l                       l      /    \       l
      l l                       l      l    l       l

    INSult (SIC) Bulletin Board command:JN

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

    *=* Bulletin Board entered *=*

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 52976
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/Libertarians
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 06:53:25

    I went to a Libertarian party at WesterCon 41 last night, and it was pretty
    boring.  What does this mean?

    Message: 52977
    Author: Frog The
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: july 4
    Date: 07

    Bulletin Board command:EA

    You chose Answer!

    Subject:Hawley/Libertarians

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        It means that you should have stayed away from the booze.
     2:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 52983

    Bulletin Board command:$RC

    Press  to abort

    Message: 52977
    Author: Frog The
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: july 4
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 07:02:58

    *******=========
    *******=========
    *******=========
    ================
    ================
    ================
    ================

     Have a Good Day

    Message: 52978
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/David #52973&4
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 09:51:40

    Those two posts of Rod's were excellent. They were not the ravings of a
    fanatic as you both seem to think of Rod at times. There was not ONE thing
    in those posts that were not the truth! You can make excuses all you want
    about how wonderful and great this world is - but Rod isn't! Sure, there
    are many good things and people, but it doesn't erase what he is saying. I
    can't believe that you are blind to them. I don't know about you David, but
    Dean, you do not live in a plastic bubble, protected from the world all the
    time. For one thing - you are highly interested in Libertarianism and you
    wouldn't be if you thought we were free and everything was going right with
    this nation! Why can't the two of you take each thing that Rod says and
    think about it instead of commenting and writing off his entire post? And
    David - you seem to think everything is 'hunky Dory' all the time! Don't you
    ever go out of the house, read a paper or see the news on TV? What about us
    shooting down that Iranian plane yesterday for instance? Do you justify
    that? You also seem to be for every law that takes away another bit of our
    freedom. Don't you ever think of the consequences? I'm not trying to put you
    guys down - you certainly have the right to your opinions here, but can't
    you for once open you minds when you read those last posts? Those wern't
    ravings - they were very clear and precise! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52979
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/Bush Co.
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 09:54:55

    Thank you. Now I understand that one at least. I should have known it was
    something like that. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 52980
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last few...
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 11:23:08

            Everything is not right about the world... But Rod's view is not
    going to fix it, nor would I like living like Rod suggests.  If he would
    address problems and be open to discussion, that would be fun and we might
    get somewhere.  However with garbage like "tear it down and reformat" or
    " let's evolve" are ravings of a nut case.  Rod seems to forget we are HUMAN
    and not perfect robots... there will always be 'Lazy', 'Greedy' and even
    'Hate'.....   Then with his view of hate to people who wish the freedom of
    free thought and Religion is redicules....  Yes, the world is not perfect,
    but Rod has gone off the edge.

    Message: 52981
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subje

    Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit Chat

    Subject:Cliff

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        If there will always be greed and hate then I say, "I hope Mother
     2:Nature or some dumb foreign power reformats the earth, totally eliminating
     3:this disease called man because if life cannot be quality then it should
     4:never have existed in the first place.  There are too many little children
     5:suffering and if it is all in vain and if it will always be, what's the
     6:use?"
     7:        If it will always be bad then why?
     8:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 52984

    Bulletin Board command:$RC

    Press  to abort

    Message: 52981
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Ron Paul
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 12:04:03

       The Libertarian candidate for president was on the Morton Downey Jr. Show
    this morning.  Unfortunatly, I caught only a few words of what anyone said,
    because everyone was trying to yell over each other.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52982
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Taxes
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 12:05:22

       It seems that I have heard that 1% of the population holds 1/3 of the
    nation's wealth.  If that's true, then that 1% should be paying at least 1/3
    of the taxes.
       Do they?

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 52983
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Hawley/Libertarians
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 14:46:21

            It means that you should have stayed away from the booze.

    Message: 52984
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 14:50:47

            If there will always be greed and hate then I say, "I hope Mother
    Nature or some dumb foreign power reformats the earth, totally eliminating
    this disease called man because if life cannot be quality then it should
    never have existed in the first place.  There are too many little children
    suffering and if it is all in vain and if it will always be, what's the
    use?"
            If it will always be bad then why?

    Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit Chat

    Subject:Ann/thanks

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:        I am learing by fire at the moment.  I am grateful.
     2:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 52985

    Message: 52986
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Skinheads
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 15:31:00

               Violent skinheads sink roots in U.S.
            Hate and rock groups join in racial crimes
             by Katherine Bishop, The New York Times

      A neo-Nazi political movement that has produced racially
    motivated crimes in England has taken root among teen-agers
    in the United States with a force that has alarmed
    law-enforcement authorities and civil-rights groups.
      In America and in England, the teen-agers, called
    "skinheads," are instantly recognizable with their shaved
    heads and high-topped leather boots with white laces.  But
    what differentiates the white-supremacist skinheads from
    teen-agers who are merely adopting the fashion is a link to
    racist rock 'n' roll bands and to some of the country's most
    virulent hate groups.
      This month, at least five young men are facing court
    proceedings around the nation in separate cases of what the
    authorities believe are hate crimes ranging from
    intimidation to murder.  They are charged with crimes that
    include the stabbing death of a black transient, threatening
    a black bus driver who was a witness to vandalism and the
    terrorizing of a black teacher with the demand that she pay
    a "nigger tax" to walk the streets.
      Of particular concern to the authorities is an
    organization of young racists known as the White Aryan
    Movement, which includes skinheads and has headquarters in
    Fallbrook, Calif.  It is headed by John Metzger, who is not
    a skinhead.  He is the 20-year-old son of Tom Metzger, a
    former California Ku Klux Klansman who now heads the White
    Aryan Resistance.
      "We've been working with them for two years," said John
    Metzger, referring to the skinheads.  "I pat myself on the
    back a little bit for organizing them.  We've been able to
    be an influence and fine-tune their perceptions.  We're
    filling a void in their lives."
      An important aspect of the neo-Nazi skinhead subculture is
    the racist rock 'n' roll music, and much of their
    recruitment is centered on night spots frequented by
    teen-agers.
      In Chicago, a group that calls itself both Romantic
    Violence and CASH maintains ties with London skinheads.  It
    sells recordings of the British racist rock group Screwdriver
    as well as similar American bands like Final Solution, White
    Pride and U.S. Chaos.  Much of the skinheads' recruiting has
    taken place at a teen-age rock club called Medusa's on the
    north side.
    (continued)

    Message: 52988
    Author: Tom Kelley
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Apple II+ System
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 15:53:15

    An Apple II+ system, two disk drives,
    Apple III monitor, assorted manuals and
    software too.
    Asking $450 or Best Offer
    Contact Eli Collier-Bray at 285-9543

    Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit Chat

    Subject:David

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:
    1 line left
    24:Communism, all the while letting them suffer with our deficient system?

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 52989

    Bulletin Board command:EC

    You chose Chit Chat

    Subject:David/last

    Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
     1:n you
    13:prove to me any different?              Rod
    14:end

    Edit command:S

    Saving message...
    The message is 52990

    Bulletin Board command:RC52989-

    Press  to abort

    Message: 52989
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 18:32:48

          David, your message to me that says I am hopeless was no surprise
    Since it is obvious that to you I appear hopeless, the reverse is also
    true, that to me you are hopeless.  Your continual stream of right-winged
    messages that indicate everything is okay and normal in this world
    certainally contradicts my messages which suggest world ills.
          Your message on taxes, which you say, have not been raised in forty
    years is one such indication.  I am sure you are being taught such
    nonsense so that you may join the future work force of the brain dead and
    thus be able to carry out the edicts of the power mongers.  Knowing you, I
    am sure you are receiving good grades.
          Why, instead, do you not point out some of the truths about taxes?
    For instance, isn't it true that the income tax laws were never legally
    passed into law?  Isn't it also true that many of our burdensome taxes were
    only temporary measures, put there to solve a particular problem but were
    never taken away as promised?  Isn't, also, the national income tax a
    voluntary one and that only those who live in Washington, D.C. are obliged
    to pay such taxes? (I read the latter in a subversive manual)
          If, as you say, we are doing so well, then why is it that the
    majority of this nation are struggling to make their rent/mortgage,
    insurance, utility and tax payments?  Why are our cities so polluted, not
    only with automobile emissions but with unruly gangs, slums and homeless?
    Why is our military in many foreign nations, spending our money without
    the consent of the majority?  Are we protecting our children against
    Communism, all the while letting them suffer with our deficient system?

    Message: 52990
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: David/last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 18:33:25

          If we kept out of the politics of the rest of the world and
    Communism did indeed take over many other places and if it wasn't working
    the people of those nations would object, causing a change.  People are
    the same all over this world, in that, if they are aware of being
    oppressed, they will rebel.  It is not the duty of the U.S. of A. to butt
    in at the slightest hint of another system, other than capitalism, being
    accepted by the people. Instead we are spending countless U.S. dollars on
    such projects but what is really appalling is the lives that are being
    lost in this endeavor, both foreign and national.
          It takes intelligence to make peace, to have a smooth running
    system and what the condition of this world leads me to believe is that
    humankind, in this stage of development, are ignorant savages.  Can you
    prove to me any different?              Rod

    Bulletin Board command:JVOI

    *=* Journey to a SIG *=*

    *=* VOID Bulletin Board entered *=*

    VOID Bulletin Board command:$C

    Press  to abort

    Message: 1432
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 10:29:05

    Thanks, Rod. Dean McCarron is supposed to be in for $10.  I don't remember
    your offer, but I will accept it.

    Message: 1433
    Author: $ Dean McCarron
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last. . .
    Date: 07/04/88  Time: 10:31:31

    I'm still in.  Where do I send the money?

    Dean

Content of this site is © Mark Firestone or whomever wrote it. All rights reserved.