### Apollo BBS Archive - December 4, 1988

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    Message: 4856
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: P-85
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 22:43:31

      The December issue of American Rifleman includes an article entitled: 'The
    P-85 One Year Later'. It is a follow-up on an article done on the new Ruger
    P-85 Double-Action 9mm pistol last year when it was introduced.
      It says that the P-85 is being produced in Prescott, Arizona in a small
    pilot factory, while a twenty times larger facility is being readied nearby
    for use beginning in mid 1989. Ruger intended to bring the P-85 out with a
    suggested retail price of $295.00, but the pilot factory has never been able
    to catch up with back orders. They are currently trying to fill existing
    police and civilian orders while also producing the military version for
    U.S. Army evaluation tests. The Army will place an order for 142,292 of the
    pistols which win the competition.

      The P-85 has been refined considerably since the first versions in order
    to improve accuracy. The original guns were designed for military use and
    accordingly they stressed function and reliability above all else. While
    their accuracy was fine for military purposes it suffered in comparison to
    Ruger's other handguns and as a result a number of changes have been made.
    The barrel and locking block are now manufactured as an integral unit
    instead of welded together and the slide is now machined in a way that
    causes the barrel to return to the exact same position after each shot.
    These and other changes have resulted in a 30% improvement in accuracy
    according to independent tests on randomly selected specimens. The article
    also mentions torture tests that have been made, such as firing the gun with
    a plug in the barrel (only the extractor needed replacement afterward) and
    firing thousands of rounds through guns with much of the slide cut away.
    Safety and reliability are excellent. The article ends by saying that if the
    Army does not choose the P-85 it will just mean 142,292 more P-85s for the
    rest of us.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4858
    Author: $ Chris Neal
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: Dean/Last
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 00:09:57

    Thanks alot for that info!   When the price drops to $250 or $300 range I am
    going to get one...

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    Message: 4859
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: Sandy Sysop
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 10:10:12

    I only doted the I's with a 22
                  !!! Shoot Them All RALPH !!!

    Message: 4860
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 12:53:07

            Wanna start a bloody revolution?  We could take over City Hall.

    Creative Corner Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1975
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 21:23:35

    There is no drug associated with saying no to drugs. Unless you snort
    cocaine, drano or pop pills....then you are taking drugs. Of course,
    saying No to drugs while swishing through the air would have no meaning
    and could be quite loud.

    If you are able, try bringing your 4 fingers (leaving the thumb aside)
    rapidly back and forth to the palm of your hand (whichever SINGULAR hand
    you wish to use) and you will hear the sound of one hand clapping.

    What sound is the color Blue ?

                            -Mike

    Message: 1976
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/1974
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 09:25:04

    Thanks for enlightening me.

    Message: 1977
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Sound Blue
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 12:55:03

            If you mix the sound yellow and the sound green together, you will
    get the sound blue.

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 2400
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 21:25:23

    Of course, if you insist on wearing HIPPIE glasses it is.

                    -Mike

    P.S. Try wearing laser safety goggles and look at the moon.

                            heh hehe h

    Message: 2401
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 03:01:18

    You forgot to mention the lavender stripes and the bullseye on the gas tank.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 55870
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 21:16:54

    No, Dave, we (at least I didn't) did not miss the context of your message,
    rather it was unclear and certainly murky on the issue.
    If you had stated your first message like your last one, I would have
    cast aside doubts of your meaning.

                    -Mike

    Message: 55871
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Apollo Trivia
    Subject: Backup
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 08:58:53

            12/04/88  298 files backed up with FASTBACK, taking 9 minuets and 53
    seconds to 27 disks at an average of 3.370 seconds to change disks.
            10129408 bytes used with 11022336 available.

    (for me that is record time)  (( I know, you don't give a RAT ))

    Apollo is safe for another week.....

    *=* In God and Apollo We Trust *=*

    Message: 55872
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Commercial
    Subject: Christmas Sales?
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 09:01:44

            Hey Guys, I am still here.... I can get things pretty fast, but
    don't hold off too long!  If you are looking for computer software or
    hardware....  let me know, Just maybe I can get that for you and save you
    money and help keep beans on my plate and this old BBS RuNnInG!

            Happy Hollidays.....

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55873
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/molest
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 12:00:09

    Yes it is a sensational story - but they treated it as if it was common
    practice now for priests to do that. I'm sure that the millions of Catholics
    that watched that show were cringing in their seats - ready to change their
    religion until Barbara Walters finally said the percentage at the end.
    -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 55874
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jim on priests
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 12:01:37

    That is the real scandel of the story - that the church just transfers them!

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    Message: 544
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Rod the Godless
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 21:05:16

            Well, you are suppose to use it for more than a seat cushion!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 545
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Christianity
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 21:39:56

    SInce you were genuinely interested in hearing my views on religion I'll
    leave you with some of my thoughts on it.
    First of all, anything that is considered SIN by the readers of the bible
    does not necessarily make it SIN in God's eyes. For example; "THOU SHALT
    NOT KILL" -readers would sometimes say this included killing of anything.
    Trouble is, you kill millions of bacteria a day just by being alive.
    That's an extreeme situation. A more moderate and up to date situation is
    with Abortion. You see, Moses's people *WANTED* laws to go by from God.
    God said he didn't want to give them any absolutes because he knew we
    couldn't follow them...we'd eventually break most or all of them.
    As a Christian in faith and practice, I really don't want to say it is
    O.k. to swear etc. The bible tells us that we will be held accountable for
    every idle word spoken or thought. I doubt that if I walked around all day
    saying "Shit" will send me to hell. If I do, well, I'm sure God has
    something to say about it when the time comes. Being a Christian in the
    olde days must have been tough. A lot of people were REAL prudes. Taking
    into consideration that people JUDGED one another more than they read and
    interpreted the bible is probably one reason why such things became
    BLASPHEMY. We're all human beings, subject to greed, selfishness,
    vanity, pride and all the rest...Christian or not. When you become a
    Christian you should by all means pay attention to the feelings of others
    because not only has your whole outlook changed, but so has your heart
    and feelings toward others. It might have been easy to really hurt
    in the past for you, but once you accept Christs gift of eternal life
    and accept his guidance into your heart you change! Hard to describe at
    best..but you start to change your attitudes, the way you see things and
    being able to discern the difference between what is really right and
    what is definitely wrong. This isn't easy to act upon though. The human
    side of things (body, etc) may REALLY WANT what your heart knows is wrong.
    After accepting Christ, I found it very difficult to ignore problems dealing
    with my interactions with people at school. It's almost like suddenly
    seeing what really happened if you weren't there to see it before.
    So, as a Christian...you try your best..sometimes you don't. Sometimes the
    little grump inside says ;"Screw the rest, today is *MINE!*". or something
    like that. Hey, that's human... Jesus knows what it is like to be trapped
    inside of this body and he knows how easy it is to give into temptations
    and pressures. That's what separates us from eternal doom,..because the
    Father sees us through his son. We're weak, fragile and exceptionally
    dishonest with mostly ourselves. God doesn't punish people...people
    punish people. He just lays out what he knows will keep you out of trouble.
    ....but do we follow his lead ? Nah! Not always. Just like the infant or
    child who knows something is wrong and does it anyway. Then we get hurt
    and WHAAHH! Pity is though, some blame it on God! Like Rod, they get
    angry at him for hurting them or others because they know that he's supposed
    to protect them..but they forget that God laid it on the line in the
    first place and gave us each and everyone, FREE WILL.         -Mike

    I have an Aunt who believes that if you keep swearing, don't go to Church
    and don't tithe...you're going to HELL! Sure, a lot of scriptures can be
    twisted into meanings that mighg support that idea. But knowing Jesus
    and having a personal relationship inside with him, I know better.
    Turning the other cheek means a lot more than offering the other side to
    be slapped. It also does not mean be a fool and allow it to be slapped
    without avoiding it in the first place. Imagine a creator who made a
    wonderful universe and even more wonderful all the things within it...
    condemning his children into hell because they refused to stand up....
    mind boggling at best...but a lot of people on this board still believe
    that. Yes, being a Christian means "to be Christ-like.." in a literal
    translation. Every Christian knows its impossible to be just like Jesus
    or for that matter, even the most saintly, sinless whitest white person
    on this earth is like soiled garbage in God's eyes. Good thing we're not
    living in the Old testament days. God does no longer see us like that,
    he sees us through his son's blood and eternal forgiveness. All one has to
    do, as simple as it is, is to allow your mind to clear and in honest
    sincerity, ask Christ to come into your life and save you. It's been
    likened to openening a door and letting that salesman say a few words...
    giving him the chance to see if you need what he's selling.....but Jesus
    isn't selling anything. He's giving away, free of charge or hooks, second
    clauses or no-backout allowances or fine print, the gift of eternal
    forgiveness and salvation. So I took the few moments aside from my scheeming
    and asked quietly if there really is a God, to please help and come into....
    my life and see what we might see. Simple, honest and really I had nothing
    to lose by stopping for one moment and putting aside all the hearsay,
    prejudices and side-tracks to find out FOR MYSELF if what the
    Christians in those days was true, or if it was a whole tub of Eye-wash.
    The only real answers I have got in life are those that I ask myself
    without predjudice and in sincerity. SOmetimes you just have to stop
    and shut the door on the world for a moment and figure it out for yourself.

    Atheists rely on the fact that you will not find anything. SInce they
    obviously haven't tried it themselves, they rely on numbers and making
    fun of those who have. Some will go as far as to claim they tried it
    and will say nothing's there. What I asked myself was that am I going
    to allow someone else to taste my food and tell me it's sour when
    I might like it ? Kinda like letting someone make my descisions for me.
    So, the Morley bomber, the kid with the 6 zip-guns, pipe-bomb letter-box
    demolisher and hater of everyone better off than himself took a few seonds
    to find out if there really was a God.

    Now that I have found God it's easy to see why it seemed so hard to do in
    the first place. Like a group of people born in a place suddenly finding
    out that the box they lived in was a tiny puddle in an ocean...but believing
    once before with "proof" that's all there was.
    Well, that's just the tip of the ice-planet.
                                                    -Mike

    Message: 549
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Mike - your posts
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 12:32:42

    Wow! You missed your calling - you ought to be a preacher or minister! No
    joke intended! Those were to the point and easy to understand. I enjoy
    talking to someone about religion without them loosing their head and get
    all fired up with 'Hell and Damnation'!
    Yes - the old day's religions were harsh expecially the Catholic faith which
    believed that if you missed a Sunday and didn't confess it before you died,
    you'd go stright to hell! Of course, it did have merit - you DID go to
    church! Ha.
    One thing I did want to discuss - something I am foggy on. It's Jesus's
    manhood! I know He was supposed to be God and man etc. - but if He was truly
    man with all the temptations that come with it and He OVER came them - would
    He really be different than the rest of us in that aspect? Maybe He knew
    more than we do but would that make a difference? In other words - if He was
    any different than us - wouldn't the point of Him being here in the first
    place be wasted then? So I'm saying - arn't we as capable in our manhood to
    be, do and act in all ways as He did? Isn't it expected of us if we believe?
    Did He not say that we had any capability that He did? Also, wouldn't He,
    being man, fight hatred, jealously, anger, lust, etc.etc.just as we do? If
    He over came - are we to do less? See what I mean? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 550
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Mike Farter
    Subject: last many
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 13:13:55

            Mike, why do you suppose the Bible is so screwed up and can be
    literally taken in so many thousands of ways?  There are hundreds of
    Christian sects in the world and each sect is sure that their way is the
    correct one and that the other religions memebers will go to hell.
            Since each sect is so sure that they are right, wouldn't it be
    conceivable that only one sect is correct and all of the rest are just
    agnostical.  In other words, since they all cannot be correct, yet think
    they are, 99 per cent really do not know for sure, therefore they are
    agnostic.

            I was a Christian for quite a few years.  I named my first child,
    Christian Angelica.  I was so sure of being a Christian.  I have read and
    re-read the Christian Bible as well as many others.  It is pretty confusing.

            In the Christian Bible, swearing is mentioned in the context that
    "Thou shall not swear by Heaven for it is God's Throne, nor by Earth for it
    is His Footstool, nor by Jesureluem for it his Holy City, nor by thy head
    for we can't make one hair white or black (dye), but simply say, Yea, yea,
    or Nay, nay.    THAT'S IT.

            In all honestly, I am probably the person closest to being like
    Jesus that you have ever met.
                                            Rod

    Bulletin Board command:R55875

    Message: 55875
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Lippard
    Date: 12/04/88  Time: 13:14:56

            Are you still considering your lawsuit against the State of Arizona
    this coming January?

    RING

    RING