### Apollo BBS Archive - August 20, 1989

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    Message: 5818
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:29:42

    Re:  "Did I ever tell you about the time I met Barbara Eden?"

    No!  Tell us about it!

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    Subject:Todd/Eden

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     1:Shhh!  He doesn't want Robin to find out.
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    Message: 3348
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd/last
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 08:31:05

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Message: 3349
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd again
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 08:35:11

    Don't you think Sandy is extremely quiet on this subject of Cliff searching
    for my ball? No denials of having a 'Grand Canyon'! Guess the truth hurts
    er? -=*) ANN (*=-

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     1:I like to explore dark caves.
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    Message: 323
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 09:08:04

    Once a nerd, always a nerd.

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    Subject:James T.

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     1:Yeah, right, James.....nothing ever changes....always remains the same.
     2:Well, at least the Church will back you up on that.
     3:
     4:People EXPECT others to remain the same, therefore they envision that person
     5:as they feel they should be.  In fact they, when they are with that person
     6:will cause them to react as they always have because they are looking for
     7:the same responses.  This is because humans like to feel secure that
     8:'nothing has changed'.  It makes one feel safe.
     9:
    10:I could go on with this BS quite a bit but I hope you get the point.
    11:end

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    Message: 60438
    Author: Jack Vale
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob T./tax cost
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 02:36:30

    Well, Beachum CLAIMS that the cost to the taxpayers would be offset by a
    system of indentured servitude he has proposed to take some of the burden
    off the criminal justice system and prisons.  Under this proposal, prisoners
    accused of non-violent misdemeanor crimes (possession of small amounts of
    smack, etc.) would plead guilty in exchange for a period of electronically
    supervised labor, either for industry or privately, as janitors, sewer
    maintenence workers, footstools ,ashtrays, etc.
    The money saved in place of their wages would then be used to fund this, and
    other government programs, which otherwise would end up costing taxpayers
    millions of dollars.

    Message: 60439
    Author: Jack Vale
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob T./gimme da ball
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 02:50:16

    "Gimme da ball" is a slang expression which had its etymological origins in
    Haiti during the "Baby Doc" Duvalier years.  The "Ton-Ton Macoute" (I
    probably misspelled this) were Duvalier's secret police force, and they
    were known for their ruthless, sadistic treatment of anyone deemed an enemy
    of the state.  To make an example of the really outstanding troublemakers,
    they would chop the head off the victim, wrap it up in Harris tweed, and
    give it to unsuspecting children to use when playing soccer through the
    streets of Port au Prince.  Thus the phrase "Gimme da ball, man" (pronounced
    "gymda bowl, mahn") acquired a sinister ambiguity.
    Haitian emmigrants, using the phrase in Miami (Florida) as a way of warning
    rival drug gangs off of their turf, spread usage of the phrase to visiting
    Jewish tourists, who assumed that it was simply another colorful native
    phrase meaning "How can I serve you?"
    From there, the tourists took the phrase back to New England, where in Maine
    and Rhode Island it was quickly picked up by their teen-age children, who
    used it to describe the taste of clam chowder (don't ask me why!)
    From there, the etymological chain becomes confused, until we find the
    phrase popping up in pro basketball circles in the 1970's, where Kareem
    Abdul Jabbar (then known as Cassius Clay, prior to his conversion to the
    Muslim religion) used it to confuse sportscasters.

    Message: 60440
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: deadly force
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 05:45:30

    The man who was shot had no weapon, other than his hands. He also had no
    prior record. He apparently was sensitive, artistic, and from a decent
    family.

    You people place little value on human life, as apparently did the officer.
    Most police officers are armed with nightsticks and mace. Either of those
    would have been a reasonable response. I also believe it would be wise for
    female officers on patrol in high crime areas to have partners, or to
    request assistance prior to stopping a vehicle.

    Message: 60441
    Author: Frank Thornton
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Dan Rather
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 06:34:29

    United Press International --

    Viewers of the CBS Evening News on Friday -- at least those who own
    satellite dishes -- were shocked to see Dan Rather apparently sniffing
    "Liquid Paper".
    Several times throughout Friday's broadcast, during the commercial breaks,
    Rather could be seen dabbing white-out on his notes, and then vigorously
    inhaling the fumes from the still wet paper.  During the commercial breaks,
    transmission is maintained by the news studio, but is only visible to
    viewers with a direct satellite link.
    Rather, visibly shaken, maintained that the whole incident was "a terrible
    misunderstanding."  Explains Rather, "I had forgotten my contact lenses, and
    it became necessary for me to correct certain errors in my notes.  Being
    extremely farsighted, I held them close to my face so that I could see
    them."
    Later in the broadcast, during a live report from Japan on the new Prime
    Minister, Rather, apparently unaware that his microphone was still on, could
    be heard to mutter "They say he's pillowed half the Orient."
    Says Rather, "I was trying to make out my next line on the teleprompter, and
    again, because I had forgotten my contacts, could not see very well what was
    written.  I read it aloud to myself, thinking the mike was dead, and
    misread the line.  It actually said, 'Japan is the pillar of the Orient',
    but it came out the other way.  I'm terribly sorry."

    Message: 60442
    Author: Frank Thornton
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last message
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 07:06:10

    I suppose I am forced to declare, to anyone for whom it is not patently
    obvious, that the message about Dan Rather sniffing white-out, etc., was a
    JOKE.

    Message: 60443
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike S.\Gang
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 08:18:22

    My lord, that experience sounded scarey. You ought to have just taken off,
    throwing them off the hood as you went. Didn't you have automatic door
    locks? Things like this happen in my worse nightmares! You were REAL lucky.
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60444
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/police
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 08:24:57

    Your right there - they do want to string up a cop for killing someone in
    the line of duty. I think it's basically the News Media that stirs things up
    with the public. If a policeman even fires at someone - it's on the front
    page - and usually slanted against the cop. Then the police dept. puts the
    guy out of work until there's a hearing etc. I have no great love for the
    police dept. but sometimes they are treated totally unfair. Our criminals
    get all the breaks. -=*) ANN (*=-
    P.S. Or is that brakes?

    Message: 60445
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 09:07:18

    What difference does it make that the man who was shot "apparently was
    sensitive, artistic, and from a decent family"?  Is it OK to shoot people
    who are instensitive, uncreative, and from indecent families?  What about
    people who are sensitive and artistic, but from indecent families?  Or
    people who are insensitive, uncreative, and from decent families?  (What is
    a "decent family," anyway?)

    I place a great deal of value on human life.  But you and I apparently
    differ in that I do not only value the lives of people who are "sensitive,
    artistic, and from a decent family."

    Message: 60446
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike Sullivan
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 10:40:26

    Here is a situation that might have turned *REAL* ugly had you been
    equipped with a weapon and used it. Some will say that in such a case
    it's quite clear "It's either YOU or them". For arguments sake,
    this is not known until it's either too late or too soon.
    It's hard to say what I might have done in the same situation. KNowing I
    have a weapon handy at all times in my vehicle. I'd like to think I would
    have waited..then again I probably wouldn't have once they sat on
    my HOOD!
    I would have pulled it out at that time..but when the youth actually got
    into the car..he would have been facing the business end of the barrel.

            I'd like to hear what Cliff would have done in a similiar
    situation...Your comments on what your actions would be will be weighed
    with previous statements. I'm looking for your honest response, Cliff.

    This isn't an anti-Cliff nor an anti-gun issue. It's a perfect illustration
    of the middle ground a lot of these gun training centers refuse to
    acknowledge. No one can be trained to tell the future. If Mike had a gun
    in the car..he might have shot someone needlessly. After shooting one of
    them, it's hard to say if one or more of them wasn't armed as well.

            -Mike

    Message: 60447
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 10:50:44

    YOu're assuming a lot in your deadly force post. Was the man who was shot
    "merely" doing what has been written? How are you to judge this officer
    when you yourself were not present at the time it happened?
    Are you using the newsmedia as a prosecuting attorney and claiming no
    need for a jury. WHat's written in the paper MUST be the facts?

    I haven't read the article in question, although I doubt whole-heartedly
    that the victim was just running up to him looking innocuous (sp).
    If a trained law-enforcement officer pulled his weapon and fired...
    I'm sure just about anyone else would too. Especially if the man were
    weilding something..
    Who knows, the man may in reality have been intending to do the officer
    a great deal of harm. Are you going to take a second-hand account
    and place a judgement against someone on that alone?
    Or are you merely commenting on how horrible and wrong it sounds when
    read from the pages of the Enquirer or whatever paper it was.
    ???

            Mike

    Message: 60448
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike/honest answer?
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 13:17:11

            Well Mike, That is a good question... One never really knows what he
    will do in such a situation.  About the time someone would have deposited
    themselves on my hood, I probably would have politely let them know I was
    armed.... and if someone still forced their way into my car and my sphere
    of physical influence, they would be seeing the business end of my revolver.
    Now again, if the guy was big and I thought I was going to get my weapon
    taken away from me... I would fire!
            In honesty, I think at first sight of the weapon, I would have seen
    elbows and @$$holes.
            Again, one never knows and the situation does vary.  I do keep my
    car/truck doors locked when out in my vehicle.
            Never point your weapon at a person unless you are willing to use
    it. In a bluff, they may take it away from you and shoot you with your own
    gun.

    Message: 60449
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/Bum
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:11:20

    Are we talking about the same word?  Acording to the dictionary a bum is
    1. A tramp; hobo.
    2. A person who avoids work and seeks to live off others.
    3. A person who preforms poorly; incompetent.

    What I don't understand is what my spiritual convictions have to do with
    another persons performance or habits.

    It is my suspicion that you are so negative toward Christianity that you
    will find fault with anything that bears the name whether justified or not.
    But I can understand that.  Jesus said the world hated him and will also
    hate anyone who follows after him.  For me to say "bums do not exist" just
    because I am a Christian would be telling an untruth.

    Lighten up dude!

    Message: 60450
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:14:41

    Re;  "did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?"

    I'll bite.  Why isn't gullible in the dictionary?

    Message: 60451
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Jack/"Gimme da ball"
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:17:57

    Thanks for the colorful info!

    Message: 60452
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Nick
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:22:23

    Re:  "I also believe it would be wise for
    female officers on patrol in high crime areas to have partners, or to
    request assistance prior to stopping a vehicle."

    It was a mistake to ever place females in this position in the first place.
    If I ever need help from the police, I hope they don't send a 5 foot 100
    pound petite female to help me out.

    So call me chauvinistic, but don't call me stupid.

    Message: 60453
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 14:37:54

    I won't call you stupid, but you sure are gullible.

    Message: 60454
    Author: Joan Woods
    Category: War!
    Subject: Police Bashing
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 16:08:13

    Nick, anyone ignorant enough to use the phrase "you people" is certainly
    unable to be an impartial judge in any matter. Wake up...

    Message: 60455
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carter/etc.
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 16:43:35

            If it were me that was being harrassed by the gang members, I know
    what I would do.  When the kid entered my vehicle (I keep a red & black
    magic marker next to me.) I would draw a target on his face then ask him if
    he came from a decent or an indedcent family.
    Lastly, I would ask him just how creative he was.

    Message: 60456
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lady/cop/death
    Date: 08/20/89  Time: 16:46:09

    The lady cop in question was a bull dyke.

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     1:        Hi, Bob.  I'm light.  I have this habit of liking to harass people.
     2:Sorry.   -Rodney
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