### Apollo BBS Archive - July 4, 1991

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:11:03

    I don't know if I thought the dead dog dick joke was funny, exact, but it
    certainly was gross.  I probably laughed though.
    So, did you really get off on my poem?  If so, what specifically was the
    turn on?
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:I thought, while reading the peom, that it was certainaly laid out well and
     2:showed a lot of true emotions.   I think everyone else that commented was
     3:sincere but Head took it the extra step.  To describe it, I would say that
     4:it was very moving and had that special quality of art that is appealing to
     5:many.
     6:
     7:Now, where's my twenty-five bucks?  No, I really meant what I said and I'm
     8:sure the others did also.
     9:
    10:Aren't we overdue for a revolution?  The Supreme Court is wacko.
    11:
    12:                                Rod

    Mail from Roger Mann
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 08:26:50

    I have tried to see how far I could push Bill before he consigned me to the
    zone. And I have wanted to change my user id to a pseudo-nym so this may be
    my chance. On the other hand, I felt that Paul and I were actually reaching
    a some sort of cease-fire and Bill was trying to mess it up. Hmmm. You don't
    think that... Naw. Bill is too nice for such devilish action.

    Thanks for the kind words. I would like to meet you in person. I have seen
    pictures of you at another GT and you looked like the devil. I have always
    wanted to meet someone who looked like the devil.

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     1:I am the devil.  Give you $1,000 for your soul?  I need size 9 and a half or
     2:size ten at the most.
     3:
     4:If you trap three other people into the plot then you get to eat at
     5:McDonalds free for a year, no seconds.
     6:
     7:If you convince Daryl Westfall that he is full of shit then you get TOP
     8:position in Hell.  If you convince Savage that he is gay then you get it
     9:all.  If you convince Cliff that he is a right-winged, conservative bigot
    10:that doesn't know what in the hell he's doing and can actually keep his
    11:mind-set there for more than three days then you get a blow job from Savage.
    12:
    13:You should see my children, they look so clean cut and neat that it is hard
    14:to believe I am their father.   Rod

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:21:09

    I agree about the Supreme Court.  Things are getting really scary.  Time to
    hiberate and create more stories to shock people out of this right,
    conservative anal retentive behavior.
    I was just wondering if you really found it erotic.  Some people I'm sure
    would.  I don't.  If you did, I was curious why.  Thanks for the review.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:It wasn't so erotic as it was "full of feelings".  I just threw that in
     2:later, "that I got off" after the reviews became funny.
     3:
     4:No, the poem was deep and emotional, not really erotic although that would
     5:then depend on how in need the reader was of sex.  Mark Adkins may have
     6:thought it more erotic than I because I don't think Mark ever had sex other
     7:than with his hand.
     8:
     9:                                Rod

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    Message: 7498
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/Half
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 10:43:09

      Just think of how the arts and sciences would bloom if only the homeless
    were left on the earth.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 7499
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean/homeless
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:14:59

    Home is where the heart is but comfort is only for those who play the game
    well.

    I don't feel at home on this planet.  Something seems to be missing that I
    desire the most.  I feel sometimes like I was born in a zoo and issued a
    number.

    I don't have hardly any bills but I owe a lot of money.  Every person when
    they become working age owe a lot of money unless they choose to join the
    so-called homeless.

    I just don't think I could be a city homeless, instead I would rather do it
    in pasture and woodsy type surroundings.  In that way I could swim in the
    cool clear water of the pond and eat of the various plants that grow.

    But my body would just get in the way I suppose so maybe I'll figure out a
    way to move to another dimension.

    Enough babbling.                        Rod

    X-Rated Cosmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 4886
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Melissa/critiques
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 08:02:01

    NO, NO, NO. I really did like your poem.

    Message: 4887
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: The Poem
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 08:08:08

    I did, too.

    Message: 4888
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: $#!+
    Subject: Fucking and Stepping
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 08:08:37

    > Now is that an insult or a compliment?!

    I dunno, but I think I'd rather "Fuck you" than "Step on your dick."

    Message: 4889
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Quickie
    Subject: That's "question"...
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:12:55

    Are you stepping on your OWN dick or the person you are insulting?
    And what if it's a woman?

    Message: 4890
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Roger, Bill
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:16:27

    I know at first you were being sincere.  I was talking about the others that
    were saying "that's the best poem in the world" type stuff.
    So, did any of you think it was erotic, or is Rod alone on this one?
    Rod...Hummm.  I wonder if having a name that is a euphenistic phalic symbol
    plays a part on one's personality...

    Message: 4891
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Dee #4889
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:50:23

      I understood it to be meant as an insult.  You're asking
    the person to step on his own dick.  If you're insulting a
    woman, I suppose that would be all the more insulting!
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!  We're the only animal on earth that we know
    uses complex language and this is what we do with
    it. tsk tsk tsk

    Maybe if "dick" is a metaphor for "the means of exploiting
    another" it might make sense, i.e., "May you trip over your
    own trickery."  I dunno.  We're all weird.

    Message: 4892
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: This sig
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:17:50

    This sig is too dirty for me.  Lord forgive them for they know not what they
    do or say.  Amen.

    Message: 4893
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Erotic Stories
    Subject: Poetry Corner
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 08:19:11

    > So, did any of you think it was erotic, or is Rod alone on this
    > one?

            I think (hope!) Rod was kidding.  But, with those eyebrows, who can
    tell?
            If you really want serious comment on the poem...
            I found the use of "cock" sort of off-putting.  It's a word that
    serves well in works intended to be erotic, but just didn't seem right here.
            An ellipsis ("...") might have done the job.  It could avoid
    offending some who might otherwise benefit from the poem.  It also carries
    the notion of being choked off and carries the added impact of allowing the
    reader to fill in the blank.  Readers like that.

    Message: 4894
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Melissa/Poem
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 08:52:46

    I did not see it as erotic, but as a cry for help.

    Message: 4895
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Poem debate
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:24:58

    I agree that cock didn't seem to fit the tone, since a small child would
    probably not use that word.  But the reason it IS "off-putting" is because
    of situation IS "off-putting".  I'll have to reread it again but I remember
    not being able to substitue any other word in there that worked.

    Message: 4896
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: comment
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:12:01

    I find everything erotic, even my name.

    Message: 4897
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:32:36

    So would some women, I suppose...

    Message: 4898
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: cock
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:33:44

    Rather than putting in a blank, I'd expect a child to use a *child's* word
    for the thing.

    Message: 4899
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Gordon/child
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 21:41:21

    I'd much rather be a child, any day. Adults have fucked up the world so much
    over the centuries that it's time to give children a chance.  What worse
    could be done?

    End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 1862
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 03:37:16

    It's no big deal to us.  We're still living.

    Message: 1863
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod/dying
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 08:05:02

    I have noticed that as I get older the younger generation is acting more and
    more like a bunch of old farts. So, when a young old fart like Landon dies,
    I feel he is replaced by old young fart.

    Message: 1864
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Expired Soul
    Subject: Leigh (or Lee)
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:18:34

    Lee Remick also died.  Yesterday, July 2.  She was 55 (or 56) and also died
    from (whispered) cancer.

    Message: 1865
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cancer
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:24:06

    Everything causes cancer but some things more than others.  Condoms for
    instance cause cancer.  Ever smell one?  How would you like to be poked deep
    within with one of those smelly, unnatural things?  What about wearing one
    on you penis for anywhere from 10 seconds to an hour?  Not good.

    But you can believe that someone is becoming super wealthy from making
    rubbers.

                                    Rod
    Message: 1866
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: condoms
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 05:13:35

    Despite the evidence that condoms prevent transfer of the AIDS virus, condom
    sales have not risen dramatically.

    Message: 1867
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 05:43:52

     What's your source for that dramatic revelation?
     So let the queers, tha junkies and the fornicators screw themselves to
    death. I just feel sorry for the kids who get the stuff before they even
    have a chance.
     The best cure for AIDS is still a lifetime monogamous relationship, but
    that's too tough for some idiots.

    Message: 1868
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:28:20

    Yeah, not everyone is as perfect as you.  That being true, screw 'em: let
    them die, right?

    Message: 1869
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:18:12

    Oh, you're not having sex with your new wife?

    Message: 1870
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:36:45

    Touche'!

    Message: 1871
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: condoms
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:40:16

    End of the Universe Bulletin Board command:RC1866-

    Press [A] to abort

    Message: 1866
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: condoms
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 05:13:35

    Despite the evidence that condoms prevent transfer of the AIDS virus, condom
    sales have not risen dramatically.

    Message: 1867
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Nick/last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 05:43:52

     What's your source for that dramatic revelation?
     So let the queers, tha junkies and the fornicators screw themselves to
    death. I just feel sorry for the kids who get the stuff before they even
    have a chance.
     The best cure for AIDS is still a lifetime monogamous relationship, but
    that's too tough for some idiots.

    Message: 1868
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:28:20

    Yeah, not everyone is as perfect as you.  That being true, screw 'em: let
    them die, right?

    Message: 1869
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:18:12

    Oh, you're not having sex with your new wife?

    Message: 1870
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:36:45

    Touche'!

    Message: 1871
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: condoms
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:40:16

      >> Despite the evidence...  condom sales have not risen dramatically.

    Yet survey responses indicate that more people are using them for safety
    reasons.  So what's the deal?  Are these people drawing on huge stashes of
    stored condoms that they bought in anticipation of the AIDS epidemic?  Or is
    there a vast underground pipeline for condom-smuggling?

    Or perhaps these people are all lying...

    Message: 1872
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 18:40:48

    No, you just wash them out and use them again, and again, and again.....

            See what the economy has done to us poor folk!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 1873
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Condom clothesline
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 21:51:25

    Actually sales of condoms for the preventation of AIDS is even lower than
    reported.  Many are purchased by the government to pass out to convicts and
    to smuggle drugs.

    In the library bathroom of the Scottsdale Community College there is a
    condom machine and for 50 cents you can get one.

    Giving prisoners condoms allows better and less messy hand sex.  In fact you
    can lubricate inside the condom and get a better feeling than with the bare
    hand.

    This of course gives these prisoners a nice healthy outlook on sex for when
    they are released.  Buy Healthy America.

    Of course it is noted that you and I can have ordinary sex but anyone
    convicted of a crime must do without.  After all, they are criminals and we
    are not.  The Senator's son is not a criminal.

    Public Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 76290
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: birds
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 03:35:21

    Outside an office complex in Dallas, birds are dive-bombing pedestrians
    walking around the area.  Some people are carrying brooms to discourage
    them.  What makes the birds behavior especially strange is that they are
    only assaulting the men walking in the area.

    Message: 76291
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Annie/crosses
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 05:26:58

     To the best of my knowledge, the ROman Catholic (and a few other Catholic)
    church displays the cross with Christ still on it. All Protestant churches
    have an empty cross. The difference, I presume, is in the concept of the
    beholder. To those to whom the crucifix (the cross with Christ on it) is
    precious, it is a reminder of His substitutionary death. To those of us who
    see the cross as empty, while it is still a reminder of the price He paid
    for our sins, it's emptiness also holds the promise of His resurrection,
    which is eternal life. He is not dead. He lives! And, as the song goes,
    because He lives, I can face tomorrow.
     Basically and simply speaking, that's the difference.

    Message: 76292
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Michael Landon
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 05:30:07

    He gave us more than just good entertainment. He epitomized a lifestyle much
    higher, better and cleaner than most of what we can find on TV these days.
    Thanks, Michael. Earth's loss is heaven's gain. Walk the golden streets with
    your head held high. You ran the race well. You won.

    Message: 76293
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bill/Roger/76266
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 05:36:23

     Roger doesn't speak for me! Actually, I hate his guts!
     No, just kidding. I'm sure that, should there be yet another OldFarts GT,
    Roger and I will be there, shaking hands and enjoying each others' company.
    While I agree that most of the jibes have been in good humor, I would also
    agree that the joust has reached a rather silly stage and should stop.
     I, too, do not feel the need for Apollogizing, but will accede to a cease
    and desist request.

    Message: 76294
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last/Dallas' birds
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 05:43:24

     They are probably members of NOW.

    Message: 76295
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Open Minds
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 07:24:00

        When those "open minds" become an arena of sacrilege and blasphemy, yes,
    that does scare me.  But it doesn't surprise me.  The sign of a truly mature
    individual is not seeing how far one can push the envelope, but rather the
    exercise of personal self-control in light of those freedoms.
        And any "open mind" that rejects the possibility of Biblical truth, is
    no more "open" than you claim mine to be.

    Message: 76296
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Roger / Judgment
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 07:32:34

         I won't have to concern myself with that, Roger.  My God does not
    suffer from amnesia.  If Serrano dies [or died] rejecting Christ, God will
    have to keep His promise regarding those who rejected His Son, in light of
    all that Christ did for Him.  It's not Serrano that He hates; it's his sin.
    Although Christ died for his sins, it would be his unbelief that would
    condemn him.  Trust that God will not enjoy seperating the sheep from the
    goats. [1 Timothy 2:4]

    Message: 76297
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Daryl/concern
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 07:56:03

    Then if you "won't have to concern" yourself with that, Daryl --- why bring
    it up ?

    Message: 76298
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Master @ Arms Rules
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 08:07:38

    From Roger:
            > I will not apologize because I have nothing to apologize
            > for.

            > I am concerned that this has reached the stage of
            >  silliness.

    From Paul Savage:
            > I, too, do not feel the need for Apollogizing...

            > I would also agree that the joust has reached a rather
            > silly stage...

            If it's so silly then why was it brought to my attention?  I feel as
    if I have two two-year-old boys again, whining because I made a call when
    that is exactly what I was asked to do.  You don't want a ruling, don't ask
    for one.
            Cliff, let these two sniveling gripes celebrate American
    independence in the dark recesses of the Phantom Zone.  They may be released
    July 5th.
            I has spoken.

    Message: 76299
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 10:57:44

      Okay, I give up. Caller-id will eliminate harrassing type calls, and the
    fact that some people somewhere don't answer calls from phone booths will
    become so well known by criminals who case houses by phone that they won't
    even try anymore.
      Since there is never any legitimate need for anyone to reach you from a
    phone booth, and since you have a code system (why do you even need
    caller-id then?) to tell you whether to answer the phone or not, caller-id
    will be the end of mankind's communications worries (but not a cure-all of
    course since that means the same thing.)
      I guess I just can't get into the spirit of the thing since I don't need
    it. It wouldn't be worth $1 a year to me let alone $6 a month. Enjoy it and
    good luck with it.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76300
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill/Phantom Zone
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 12:37:04

    If you stick me in the Phantom Zone, this will be the last time I will log
    on this BBS as Roger Mann. Since Paul and I have no quarrel with each other
    and since Bill Burkett seems intent on demonstrating his power to the
    detriment of free expression, I will go elsewhere where I am allowed to
    speak my mind freely.

    Message: 76301
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Recent Cat fight
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 17:25:02

    They are both being stubborn but are at peace with one another.  I think the
    situation has been resolved.
    Just my two cents worth.

    Message: 76302
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Robber Barons
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 18:00:10

      The complexity of Populist belief was shown in one of its
    important leaders in Texas, Charles Macune.  He was a
    radical in economics (antitrust, anticapitalist), a
    conservative in politics (against a new party independent of
    the Democrats), and a racist.  Macune came forward with a
    plan that was to become central to the Populist platform--
    the sub-Treasury plan.  The government would have its own
    warehouses where farmers would store produce and get
    certificates from this sub-Treasury.  These would be
    greenbacks, and thus much more currency would be made
    available, not dependent on gold or silver, but based on the
    amount of farm produce.
      There were more Alliance experiments.  In the Dakotas, a
    great cooperative insurance plan for farmers insured them
    against loss of their crops.  Where the big insurance
    companies had asked 50 cents an acre, the cooperative asked
    25 cents or less.  It issued thirty thousand policies,
    covering 2 million acres.
      Macune's sub-Treasury plan depended on the government.
    And since it would not be taken up by the two major parties,
    it meant (against Macune's own beliefs) organizing a third
    party.  The Alliances went to work.  In 1890 thirty-eight
    Alliance people were elected to Congress.  In the South,
    the Alliance elected governors in Georgia and Texas.  It
    took over the Democratic party in Georgia and won
    three-fourths of the seats in the Georgia legislature, six
    of Georgia's ten congressmen.
      This was, however, Goodwyn says, "an elusive revolution,
    because the party machinery remained in the hands of the old
    crowd, and the crucial chairmanships of important committees,
    in Congress, in the state legislatures, remained in the
    hands of the conservatives, and corporate power, in the
    states, in the nation, could use its money to still get
    what it wanted."
      The Alliances were not getting real power, but they were
    spreading new ideas and a new spirit.  Now, as a political
    party, they became the People's party (or Populist party),
    and met in convention in 1890 in Topeka, Kansas.  The great
    Populist orator from that state, Mary Ellen Lease, told an
    enthusiastic crowd:
           Wall Street owns the country.  It is no longer a
         government of the people, by the people, and for the
         people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall
         Street and for Wall Street....  Our laws are the output
         of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty
         in rags.... the politicians said we suffered from
         overproduction.  Overproduction, when 10,000 little
         children ... starve to death every year in the U.S.
         and over 100,000 shop girls in New York are forced to
         sell their virtue for bread....
           There are thirty men in the United States whose
         aggregate wealth is over one and one-half billion
         dollars.  There are half a million looking for work....
         We want money, land and transportation.  We want the
         abolition of the National Banks, and we want the power
         to make loans direct from the government.  We want the
         accursed foreclosure system wiped out....  We will
         stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force
         if necessary, and we will not pay our debts to the
         loan-shark companies until the Government pays its
         debts to us.
           The people are at bay, let the bloodhounds of money
         who have dogged us thus far beware.
      At the People's party national convention in 1892 in
    St. Louis, a platform was drawn up.  The preamble was
    written by, and read to the assemblage by, another of the
    great orators of the movement, Ignatious Donnelly:
           We meet in the midst of a nation brought to the verge
         of moral, political and material ruin.  Corruption
         dominates the ballot box, the legislatures, the
         Congress, and touches even the ermine of the bench.
         The people are demoralized....  The newspapers are
         subsidized or muzzled; public opinion silenced;
         business prostrate, our homes covered with mortgages,
         labor impoverished, and the land concentrating in the
         hands of capitalists.
           The urban workmen are denied the right of
         organization for self-protection; imported pauperized
         labor beats down their wages; a hireling standing army
         ... established to shoot them down....  The fruits of
         the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up
         colossal fortunes....  From the same prolific womb of
         governmental injustice we breed two classes--paupers
         and millionaires....
      A People's party nominating convention in Omaha in July of
    1892 nominated James Weaver, an Iowa Populist and former
    general in the Union army, for President.  The Populist
    movement was now tied to the voting system.  Their spokesman
    Polk had said they could "link their hands and hearts
    together and march to the ballot box and take possession of
    the government, restore it to the principles of our fathers,
    and run it in the interest of the people."  Weaver got over
    a million votes, but lost.

    Message: 76306
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Landon/win the race
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 21:10:31

    I don't know if he won, but he finished pretty early.

    Message: 76307
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/open minds
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:26:34

    Oh, you're so funny.

    Message: 76308
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger/Zone
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:36:22

    Roger, if you have never been to the Phantom Zone then you are missing out
    on a most interesting AND exclusive sig.  I think that everone should be
    allowed from time to time to read the rich messages that were left there by
    Zonies from years past.

    There are messages from several years back and yes, Roger, Ann whines and
    begs the most.  I just cry the prison blues.  But there are many, many more
    messages that you should buffer and read.  I am proud to have been a memeber
    of that sig and would have been missing something if I never saw the place.

    Don't leave and be another Beck, your comments are important.  Hell, it
    would be like losing a good member of the Supreme Court and gaining someone
    like (someone who quotes nonsense from religion books).

    As foretold by Dean Hathaway long ago, someone many thousands of years from
    now will dig up and find scraps of old Apollo printouts and will found a
    religion from them.  You don't want to be left out, do you?

                                            Rod

    Message: 76309
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/parents
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 00:57:00

      BD>"...can be taught authoritatively that" their parents are wrong.

    [i.e., abuse is wrong]

      BD>Hoo, boy, you're swinging at a hornet's nest with that one.

    You bet!  I did *say* that was the reason a lot of resistance could be
    expected.  It takes an assertive approach.  Now then, anybody have any
    cyanide to deal with those pesky hornets once and for all?

    Message: 76310
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: News Today
    Subject: July 4,1991
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 05:37:38

         GOD       BLESS        AMERICA!
     On this celebration of America's independance, let us take a moment between
    the rocket's red glare and bombs bursting in air to reflect on the liberties
    we enjoy as Americans, including the liberty to voice our opinions that may
    run contrary to either the government or public opinions.
     Reflect, also, on the liberty we here on Apollo enjoy; the liberty to
    encourage each other, agree or disagree with each other, even argue with
    each other, seriously or in jest, without fear. Thanks, Cliff. Thanks, Uncle
    Sam, wherever you are, for you indeed reside in the hearts and minds of each
    of us.
              GOD           BLESS             AMERICA!

    Message: 76311
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: NEWS!
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 06:19:50

     I just went out and brought in my morning paper, and when I saw an article
    on the front page, I just had to log back on.
     THe headline reads "Apple, IBM join forces." A "quicky" box says that Apple
    and IBM will jointly develop and sell software: Apple's MacIntosh design
    will be integrated into IBM systems: THe companies will develop a single,
    enhanced operating system: Motorola and IBM will make new chips based on an
    IBM design that will also be used in Macs: IBM and Apple will make
    multimedia programs, which mix sound, text and graphics.
     Okay, now. All you Apple and IBM compatible owners....get ready to throw
    out all your expensive equipment! A new generation is on the way!
     Shudder!

    Message: 76312
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Master @ Arms Speaks
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 08:17:40

    > If you stick me in the Phantom Zone, this will be the last time
    > I will log on this BBS as Roger Mann. ... I will go elsewhere
    > where I am allowed to speak my mind freely.

            Oh, Roger!  Now who's taking this too seriously?
            I've done nothing to stifle your freedom of expression.  I don't
    even have a recollection of what it is you and Mr. Savage (I call him "Mr.
    Savage" so as not to confuse him with the other "Paul" currently on the BBS)
    were discussing when this whole thing started.
            I got involved when you called him a "sap" and he complained.  My
    reaction was that you were both being silly, but that I was tired of being
    complained to "in jest;"  you've done it once before, Paul twice now.
            My response was to do what I do when my kids get involved in one of
    these tiffs and asks for an outside resolution:  I punish them both.
            Now the point is apparently moot.  Cliff has apparently not been on
    the system in the last 24 hours (Probably has his head under the hood of
    that car.  Perhaps I should toot the horn.) and neither of you has been sent
    to the Zone as sentenced.
            I hereby declare the sentence suspended, provided you and Mr. Savage
    agree to behave like adults and not to complain about [R]ule violations in
    jest anymore.  Agreed?

    Message: 76313
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill/Zone
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 08:31:18

    I think you ought to do what you think is right.

    Message: 76314
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Downloads
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 10:25:15

      I tried to download the files Bill Burkett put in the library using the
    file names SCSEARCH.TXT and SCDANCE.TXT. I got a 'file does not exist'
    error both times. Are these files available, possibly with the names
    changed?
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 76315
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill on Paul&Roger
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:41:15

    Personally, I don't feel a trip to the Zone or apologies are necessary by
    either. It never got hot and heavy between them. They certainly didn't
    offend anyone nor did they cuss improperly on the BB. I hate to see anyone
    go to the Zone. Think about it Bill. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76316
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Cat on food
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:44:18

    You'd better cool it with those kind of questions ... ("What kind of cat
    food did you have in mind?") or we'll end up in the Zone for hinting at
    improper things! For shame! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76317
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliffy on car
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 11:46:27

    Re: your ... "My cars don't do this (break down) by the way" ..

    Where do you get a car like that? Tell me so that I can buy one!! :)

                     *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 76318
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/car break down
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:22:28

    Perhaps Cliff has developed a way to totally block all car problems from his
    mind.  A lot of people can do such things, why not Cliff?

    Message: 76319
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hippy Fourth
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:23:17

          Patriotism found in eye of beholder - Az. Republic, 7/4/91

    The Nation magazine asked about five dozen people to define patriotism for
    its July 6 issue.  Here's a sampling of what they had to say:

    Novelist Howard Fast said, "What they call patriotism down there in
    Washington stinks to high heaven of brainlessness, racism, greed, fear and
    hatred of the common people."

    Poet Robert Bly, author of Iron John, in a note on yellow ribbons marking
    the remembrance of U.S. troops in the gulf, said, "The yellow ribbon is the
    last refuge of a scoundrel."

    Author Gore Vidal said of patriotism, "The word is politically incorrect,
    of course.  PATRIA, PATER, father.  So where is Mom?  Didn't she help Dad
    turn the American wilderness into a cement desert bright with golden
    arches?  Didn't she help Dad kill those pesky redskins?"

    And actress Margot Kidder:  "Nationalism is archaic."

    Rod's note:  If you have trouble spelling patriotism, remember there is
    RIOT smack dab in its center.

    Message: 76320
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 4th of July
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 14:26:34

    Yes, dammit, we the American people won our freedom when we beat the
    British.  Now we have no more high taxes on our products and we can even
    smoke tea.

    What a truly great place, Amerika.  But we'd better watch it because we may
    end up in Holland if we are not careful.

    Praise Jesus.

    Message: 76321
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 4th of July
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 17:44:04

    So, does the feminist movement support Matriotism?

    Message: 76322
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Robber Barons
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 18:13:44

      A new political party had the job of uniting diverse
    groups--northern Republicans and southern Democrats, urban
    workers and country farmers, black and white.  A Colored
    Farmers National Alliance grew in the South and had perhaps
    a million members, but it was organized and led by whites.
    There were also black organizers, but it was not easy for
    them to persuade black farmers that, even if economic reforms
    were won, blacks would have equal access to them.  Blacks
    had tied themselves to the Republican party, the party of
    Lincoln and civil rights laws.  The Democrats were the party
    of slavery and segregation.  As Goodwyn puts it, "in an era
    of transcendent white prejudice, the curbing of 'vicious
    corporate monopoly' did not carry for black farmers the ring
    of salvation it had for white agrarians."
      There were whites who saw the need for racial unity.  One
    Alabama newspaper wrote:
           The white and colored Alliance are united in their
         war against trusts, and in the promotion of the
         doctrine that farmers should establish cooperative
         stores, and manufactures, and publish their own
         newspapers, conduct their own schools, and have a hand
         in everything else that concerns them as citizens or
         affects them personally or collectively.
    The official newspaper of the Alabama Knights of Labor, the
    Alabama *Sentinel*, wrote: "The Bourbon Democracy are trying
    to down the Alliance with the old cry 'nigger'.  It won't
    work though."
      Some Alliance blacks made similar calls for unity.  A
    leader of the Florida Colored Alliance said: "We are aware
    of the fact that the laboring colored man's interests and
    the laboring white man's interest are one and the same."
      When the Texas People's party was founded in Dallas in the
    summer of 1891, it was interracial, and radical.  There was
    blunt and vigorous debate among whites and blacks.  A black
    delegate, active in the Knights of Labor, dissatisfied with
    vague statements about "equality," said:
           If we are equal, why does not the sheriff summon
         Negroes on juries?  And why hang up the sign "Negro",
         in passenger cars.  I want to tell my people what the
         People's Party is going to do.  I want to tell them if
         it is going to work a black and white horse in the same
         field.
    A white leader responded by urging there be a black delegate
    from every district in the state.  "They are in the ditch
    just like we are."  When someone suggested there be separate
    white and black Populist clubs which would "confer
    together," R. M. Humphrey, the white leader of the Colored
    Alliance, objected: "This will not do.  The colored people
    are part of the people and they must be recognized as such."
    Two blacks were then elected to the state executive
    committee of the party.
      Blacks and whites were in different situations.  The
    blacks were mostly field hands, hired laborers; most white
    Alliance people were farm owners.  When the Colored Alliance
    declared a strike in the cotton fields in 1891 for a dollar
    a day wages for cotton pickers, Leonidas Polk, head of the
    white Alliance, denounced it as hurting the Alliance farmer
    who would have to pay that wage.  In Arkansas, a
    thirty-year-old black cotton picker named Ben Patterson led
    the strike, traveling from plantation to plantation to get
    support, his band growing, engaging in gun battles with a
    white posse.  A plantation manager was killed, a cotton gin
    burned.  Patterson and his band were caught, and fifteen of
    them were shot to death.

    Message: 76325
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean H on Downloads
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 18:54:36

            Well, Bill (the uploader) failed to tell me the names of the files.
    This now has been corrected and you can find SCDANCE.TXT and SCSEARCH.TXT if
    you try to [D]ownload these files.

            This brings up the fact so MANY of you FAIL to tell me the file name
    when you [U]pload to Apollo.  PLEASE, PLEASE tell me!  When you upload, the
    file is saved under your username in part with a number (0 to 9).
    As in BBURKET1.UPD     I then rename it to the file you TELL me if it won't
    destroy an existing file.  PLEASE READ INSTRUCTIONS!  Then FOLLOW them!

            Now, to put my head back under my car....

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

    Message: 76326
    Author: $ Apollo SysOp
    Category: The SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: PHAntom Zone
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 19:02:06

            Come on guys...  The PHAntom Zone is a JOKE!  It is meant as
    humorous punishment...  Fact is, most users have a blast there.  As Rod
    Said, it is a fun place to visit and users have even ASKED to be able to
    visit it.    Roger Mann, No one is trying to stifle your free speech. Get a
    grip on yourself, and have FUN!

            Try and have a happy and SAFE 4th!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-    sigh!

    Message: 76327
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Guest Columnist
    Date: 07/04/91  Time: 21:55:16

    The following 3 posts were written by a friend of mine, tonight on this
    computer.  I will upload it for him.  His name is Rob.

    We are being taken over by social fabricators.  Conformists.  Those who
    have been raised with the program that they will grow up like normal
    children in some LEAVE IT TO BEAVER fairy land;  go to school with normal
    children just like themselves, forming lifelong friendships (with those
    they hardly know, but are exactly like) and learning skills that will help
    them survive in the "real world", the belief that the "real world" is where
    normal people belong.  Then, on our journey across the human social plane,
    we are off to college where the LEAVE IT BEAVER mentality meets the omni-
    present "Real World".  After college, we are expected to find a job we have
    been prepared to perform (by normal people for the real world), find a nice
    girl, or decent boy, settle down, have two perfectly normal babies that we
    can raise in our LEAVE IT TO BEAVER fairly land so they can get to that
    point to which we have arrived, move into a nice home, get a nice pet,
    watch our children grow, then quietly die.  We have accomplished nothing
    and our normal children are doing the exactly same thing.  And so on and
    so forth.

    If we could just open our eyes and see!  The "real world" is within our own
    minds.  We create our own realities.  What the "real world" is to my
    neighbor may not be what I myself consider to be the "real world".  But I
    will not deny my neighbor that privilige.

    Why is there tradition?  Why must it be that on December 25 of each year,
    millions of people gather around a chopped down tree and exchange gifts in
    memory of a man that, to anyone's guess, tried to program people he came
    into contact with?  And why do the Jews get eight days?  Why must children
    be subject to their way dated parents' ways?  What took them to survive in
    the "real world" is totally unappropriate for the newborns of today, this
    minute, this second, no matter where you are or when you are.  Yes, we must
    help our children, nurture them, encourage them.  But when parents start
    having children to make up for their own mistakes, it's time to take
    inventory on just who we are and what makes us human.  It is said nobody
    is perfect, nobody is exactly alike, all people are created equally.  If
    that is so, then why must I be repeatedly subjected to such terms as
    "snagduffit" and "warsh"?  I say "God damn it!" and "wash".  And why is
    family so important?  If we're all equals (even according by law when a
    person of 18 years is a legal "adult") why can't I say "#%#% You" when
    my parents start coming down on me for smoking a joint?  Why is that
    disrespectful?

    I quote John Lennon, from his song "Working Class Hero":

                      As soon as you're born
                      they make you feel small
                      By giving you no time
                      Instead of it all.

                      They hit you at home
                      And they hurt you at school
                      They hate you if you're clever
                      And they despise a fool.

    Post Office command:S

    Mail to Roger Mann
    Date: 07/03/91  Time: 23:44:05

    Roger, go check out the zone, buffer the messages and enjoy reading them but
    DO log on under a different name but try to trick Cliff.  Do things a bit
    different than you normally do because He watches like a hawk at times.

    Leave a good message under this assumed name to see what response it (or
    they) generate.

    In the meanwhile the 'boys' are doing a 'hit' on the Savage one.

    Or would you only rather have Cliff as Syslop?  I think Bill should be given
    lots of credit for bringing some semblence of sanity to this board.  I have
    been a member since 1985 and Bill is like a breath of fresh air.

    Besides you will be in there with Paul and you can say anything you like
    including the fuck word, if that is important.  We'll have to meet someday
    at a GT or other.....perhaps a giant sex orgy, hmmmmm?

    The last time Cliff put me in the Zone I left a long message telling him to
    take his system and shove it straight up his ass.  He went light, only a day
    but oh well.

                                    Taketh careth and remember I am holy.
                                    Rod (Rod & Staff shall comfort thee)

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