### Apollo BBS Archive - April 27, 1988

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    Message: 3422
    Author: $ Jack Flash
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Equal Access
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 20:25:14

    `Equal access' is not something that is provided by any of the various
    long distance companies.  Access to the LD carrier of the customer's
    choice is provided by the local phone companies -- but only in areas
    where the Central Office switching equipment can be programmed to do
    so.  There are still many areas -- and some not just rural -- where
    switching is done mechanically.  It may be many years (or never) before
    equal access (dial-1 access) is available in these areas.

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    Message: 624
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Nope!
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 07:37:34

        James and Rod have seen my hat, but many other people haven't.  Should I
    wear it to the next NWPAC meeting?  Maybe I could get Lloyd to put up a vote
    on it on ST-Base Express.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 625
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:02:59

    Your messages are very good, Alan, but each time I start to be impressed
    with the message content, I see you in your elf hat.  Personally, I have
    nothing against elfs, but ...

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    Message: 1274
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Sandy/points
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:16:12

    Huh?

    Message: 1275
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod/points
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:17:02

    Arnie has a reather nice point too!

    Message: 1276
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Jams
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:18:46

    Yeah - I forgot that Sandy Sysop has the power to edit. You can just bet
    she'll come out with great points! Not true to life however. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 1277
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 14:09:16

            Come on, Ann!
            You mean after all that time and trouble that went into my post, you
    did not get the point(s)?

    Message: 1278
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Last two
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:03:28

    Ann is pointless.

    Message: 1279
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Points...
    Date: 04/28/88  Time: 00:06:15

            Sandy has points!  I know.....

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    Message: 1437
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hah!
    Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:00:14

    First message of the evening!

    Message: 1438
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: PS:
    Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:02:18

    NOT!

    Message: 1439
    Author: $ Mike Howerton
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/24/88  Time: 23:13:30

    Wonderful!

    Message: 1440
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Drivel
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:11:23

    Just what is going on here?

    I'm here in a daze. I should be in bed asleep.

    Rev. Beau

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     1:        Humankind is asleep but doesn't realize it.
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    Message: 352
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 03:24:50

    We could use some payload ballast...

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    Message: 51947
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Lawrence
    Date: 04/26/88  Time: 22:43:54

    I saw some babble on another BBS about some scheme to make a lot of money
    selling books about this Technoid thing (or whatever term was used back
    there).

    Caveat emptor!

    Rev. Beau
    (I wish I'd thought up the scheme...)

    Message: 51948
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beay/movie
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:11:40

    I swore you recommended it. What did you say about it? Ha, =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51949
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Michael/consciousnes
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 09:12:27

    Funny! --- probably true too. =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 51950
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/movie
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 12:43:41

    I said it was about 110 minutes

    Message: 51951
    Author: Bob Jacobs
    Category: Question?
    Subject: QuestNet/1 BBS
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:02:19

    To SysOp: Would you please add the phone number of the QuestNet/1 BBS to
    your list? The number is: 984-4049; 8,N,1; 3/12/24; 7pm-6am daily.
    Thanks...QuestNet/1 SysOp

    Message: 51952
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reality Club
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:26:31

      Unfortunately, for those who believe humanity is the
    apotheosis of life on Earth, the idea of reproducing von
    Neumann machines is not a matter of scientific fantasy bu a
    matter of fact in the present organization of the biosphere.
    If we consider Gaia or the biosphere as life's most
    fundamental unit, then even the Earth cannot be considered
    alive since it has not yet reproduced.  Indeed, only the
    organic macromolecules DNA and RNA are capable of
    reproduction in the replicative sense: in one act of
    synthesis, they make complementary copies of themselves.
    All else - cells, boys, elephants, trees, McDonald's, and
    branches of the Chase Manhattan Bank - do not directly
    reproduce.  Much molecular reproduction, cell growth,
    development and construction is involved before two cells,
    two boys, two elephants, two trees, two McDonald's and two
    bank branches appear in the biosphere where a single one was
    before.
      Unfortunately, nature is not dichotomous in a way that
    matches our verbalizations.  Nature does not conform to our
    definitions.  Although there is an ineffable continuum
    between the living and the nonliving, we are beginning to
    understand the functions and organizations that are common
    to living entities.  Living systems, from their smallest
    limits as bacterial cells to their largest extent as Gaia,

    Message: 51953
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reality Club
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 17:32:06

    are *autopoietic*: they self-maintain.  As autopoietic
    systems they are bounded - they retain their recognizable
    features even while undergoing a dynamic interchange of
    parts.  The *only autopoietic* systems we know of on Earth
    are composed of carbon, nitrogen, and hydrogen compounds in
    water and are bounded by lipid membrane.  But organization
    and function - not composition - distinguish autopoiesis.  A
    recent corpse and a man have nearly identical composition
    but they differ profoundly in organization and function.
    The self-assembly, self-maintaining autopoietic system
    distinguishes the living man.

    Message: 51954
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Did you Dukakis?
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 18:30:54

    ... heard on KFYI a minute ago.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 51955
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: News Today
    Subject: Awana Grand Prix WIN
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 21:33:49

            My boy just won the AWANA Grand Prix fist place in speed.
    We would have also won 'Design', but when we won the Speed, they crossed us
    off the 1st place Design (one tropy per person/car)....

            I`m so damn PROUD of Tyler.....

                    Watch out world, here comes the Champ... TYLER!!!

    Cliff

    Message: 51956
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Last?
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:05:51

    Exactly what kind of car are you talking about?  A slot car, or what?

    Message: 51957
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliff!
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:59:06

    Way to go Tyler and tippacanoe, two!

    Hope he'll always make you proud of him.

    Carol->

    Message: 51958
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Robert Daley
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:01:46

    Wow!  what a writer...I have just found him.

    Just finished 'Man with a Gun.'   Robert Redford is going to be the
    protaganist in the movie version (after the writer's strike is over).

    If you haven't read his books, go for them!   Year of the Dragon is my
    favorite    But if you like crime, police, corruption, sex, violence!  They're all
    there.

    Carol->

    Message: 51959
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Writer's strike
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:10:13

    I thought it only affected tv?  See how much I care?

    Rev. Beau

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     1:        At least half of them should be put in a looney bin, they are
     2:responsible for too much voilence on the movie screen.
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    Message: 1301
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: system X
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 22:56:48

    Actually it was a terrific system....though I never could figure it out.
    Even to the signing in. I had some stupid terminal program at the time and
    could hardly ever throw the correct control to get on...the tree thing...I
    kept falling down off the branches. But he was a brilliant person and it
    really was a great deal. Boy, did I get scared on the deal where all of us
    were chatting Conference with each other.

    But tell me - does anyone know what went on in those hours when the board
    was closed to everyone but HER???

    And, oh yes, I remember being told that to fully access the system, it was
    going to cost a fortune. So there was a lot more to it than the part I was
    able to access!   So, he had to be a real brain!

    Steve, he is gone, REAL GONE!   Gads, I hope he doesn't have $tatus to this
    board...I feel stupid talking about him like this. Eddie, if you're here,
     I am only kidding!!!

    Off into the cold, blue night!               Poofer

    Message: 1302
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Carol/Eddie
    Date: 04/27/88  Time: 23:45:00

    Ed Sharpe's $tatus expired over a year ago.

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     1:        You think you had a stupid terminal program.  WHen I first got on
     2:the boards, Blax, Apollo, etc., I had NO buffer, NO printing abilities, 300
     3:BAUD, manual dial, non-uploading software.
     4:        I really wish I could have captured those first messages of mine and
     5:the reaction to them.
     6:        I remember when I got new software and I tried to upload some
     7:messages, every other line was sent out and I was so happy that I finally
     8:got something to 'stick', I left the message.  Paul said that it made as
     9:much sense as all my other messages.
    10:        Remember Edward DeGraaf, Bob Jiles, Alan Greenburg, Rae Ackerman,
    11:Craig White, of course and Frank LoPinto?
    12:        When I first started getting on, I thought to myself, Hmmmm, the
    13:people who use computers must be in the upper intelgencia of this nation,
    14:surely they are mostly atheist and agnostic so they will understand what I
    15:am trying to say.  Well, after I posted my first message and got back on the
    16:next day, I was really, really crushed from the response, I never wanted to
    17:use a MODEM again.  I got on again the day after that, feeling really bad
    18:but there was Craig White defending me and that really saved my butt.  I may
    19:never have tried again if it wasn't for Craig.  He told me later in a phone
    20:conversation that since I got on, many more people started logging in to see
    21:that debate.  Of course, Frank and JT were pretty liberal towards me and
    22:that helped.
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    23:        Hey, most everyone was afraid to meet me.  Computers have changed
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    24:our lives, to be sure.                          -Rot

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