### Apollo BBS Archive - September 6, 1989

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:14:50

    I am not a drug user.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:Nicotine and alcohol are two of the worst and most addicting drugs that I
     2:know of.  I am hooked on the former and need a fix quite often or I start
     3:getting nervous.  Tis a shame but it is my fault.

    Mail from Dean Hathaway
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:34:02

    Hi,
      I am done with that REASON magazine I borrowed. I wrote down a lot notes
    for my Pinto article while I was in Wisconsin and I will post it when I get
    it all entered into my computer and edited. I got two other books on the
    subject, but I never could find the one mentioned in the magazine.
      Have you watched that video tape yet? If you are done with it we can swap
    the tape and the magazine back to where they came from.
       See You Later
          Dean H.
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:Yes, I am finished with the tape and am taking good care of it.  I have one
     2:complete Libertarian sheet filled out for you.  There just are not that many
     3:registered voters out there.
     4:
     5:By the way, the 1989 Libertarian Convention was shown on C-Span last week
     6:and I caught some of it.  I was duly impressed.  You were missed.  -Rod

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    Message: 5872
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Hathaway
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:23:37

    Big deal.  I was in Vermont and resource-rich Canada this weekend.

    Message: 5873
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Last....
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:40:30

       Thats nice. I was invited to go to Canada, but didn't care to. I did see
    Mike Ditka on my way to O'Hare friday afternoon. He drives a Turbo Supra.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 5874
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:49:23

    How's Frank, Mary and the children?

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3376
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:16:28

    Ka iwa hula'ena ki'i makalei mapuna ka hala o kailua.

    Message: 3377
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:58:56

    The war-bird dancingly shoots high toward the sea that misses the coming
    tide

    (or words not very near to that effect)

    Message: 3378
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 22:25:55

    Kuwiliwili iho au mai lohilohi mai'oe ka manu ka u'ie opae e.

    Message: 3379
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:50:51

    'E Kainga Kuo Hao.

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 395
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: vote
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:59:38

    But Rod doesn't realize that only the first vote counts, ...

    Message: 396
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: But Beauregard
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:52:20

    I was only saying what you said but a bit differently, that's all.

    And remember, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.  What's
    that again about my vote?

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 60736
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Football pool
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:19:58

    Anyone who wants to participate in the Heritage Foundation 1989 football
    pool, call me at 202-546-4400 tomorrow before 5:30 EDT.

    Message: 60737
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: USMA
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 19:14:15

            Looks like Mike is really going to give it a try... Great, We will
    have another member to the Apollo Hit Squad, errr I mean the Apollo Knitting
    Club.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 60724
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cliffy
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 02:48:33

    Better watch out there Cliff... just to spite you I will join
    the USMA or whatever. Send me some forms or a phone number to call
    in mail. You have my address and my phone #.
    I will go all the way through to ADVANCED. Guaranteed..just
    to SPITE you..and to see for myself what I am missing. Besides..
    it sounds like fun.

    Now..I await the forms or for a number to call. Hopefully they have
    flexible class times as I'm a night-shift guru.

    In whatever time it takes to complete the course..I'll then later
    sum up a commentary on the whole thingy.
    So I can talk "educated" about the courses.

            -Mike

    Message: 60725
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Outland
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 04:26:01

    It is too early to tell, but the first strip seemed like Bloom County, only
    with different characters.

    Message: 60726
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: A.R.E. Clinic
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 04:26:44

    Yeah, I especially like the gizmo with all the colored lights.

    Message: 60727
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: A.R.E. clinic
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 06:05:13

            No, Ann, I was referring to "Edgar Cayce."
            I asked because I know a number of people that work there, and one
    of them was, at one time, a regular Apollo user.  (He used an alias, so I
    won't give away who it was.)
            As for what they do....  I think 50% is very good, and 50% is banana
    oil.  Things like relaxation therapy and masages are on the "good" side,
    but energy medicine... well, I have my doubts.

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
    *     *

    Message: 60728
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob on doctors
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:44:02

    Your joke was very funny - but no, this doc did not go beyond a hug. All the
    doctors at that place do that, including the woman doc. They believe in a
    good patient doc. relationship and love for all. One of their sayings is -
    "The person that walks in that door is Ann Oudin that has a bad cold" - not
    "Here comes a bad cold!" See? Believe me, it makes a BIG difference.
                              -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60729
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Beau/quacks
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:55:34

    Sorry Beau, but I smell a quack when I see one - these are NOT! For one
    thing, you get well. I will give you a personal example that happened to me.
    The first time I went to that clinic I had just gotten arthritis and was
    taking 24 aspirin a day at the time and developed a terrible itching rash.
    I had to take it because it helps prevent deformity at the onset of this
    type of arthritis. The doctor filled out a proscription and I took it to a
    little pharmacy on the premises and was so suprised when the guy behind the
    counter gave me a laxative and a mouth wash!!! I told him there must be
    some mistake because I had a rash, not bad breath and constipation! He
    called the doc to make sure and it was right. Well, you see, the laxative
    was a special one that opened the pores of the skin and let the poisons out
    and the mouthwash (a very old brand) was to rub on the rash to stop the
    itching and disenfect the skin. It worked in less than two days. If I had
    went to a reg. doc, he would have no doubt proscribed drugs and a expensive
    salve. These two remedies cost less than $5! The doctor was/is an M.D. too.
                                 -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60730
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Nick/lights
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:57:49

    What 'gizmo' with colored lights? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60731
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/last
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 08:02:38

    I will have to agree with you on some of the things they do there. But I
    believe that a person must believe in the remedy or it won't work most of
    the time. Using the 'Wet Cell battery' is one of the remedies I question.
    I think it is supposed to re-align your positive & negitive flow or
    something like that. If one followed all the Edgar Cayce instructions for
    health, one would have no time for anything else! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 60732
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Mike/Number
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 09:06:28

            The USMA number is in the [SHOP] cmd...  See you there then!
    Just type in USMA at the search prompt... easy as pie!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60733
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 11:32:11

    Re:  "the laxative
    was a special one that opened the pores of the skin and let the poisons out"

    Huh?  No wonder my laxative doesn't work.  I was expecting a different
    result.

    Message: 60734
    Author: $ Spaz Brown
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Beauregard
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 14:26:40

    Do I care if you care?

    (Now THAT is the question.)

    HB

    Message: 60735
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: WHAT IF!
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 16:58:19

       Let's play pretend for a little while.  Suppose, if you will, that
    God had thus far NOT sent his Son, Jesus, to Earth as of this writing.
    Please bear with me on this totally hypothetical situation.

       Now, let us eliminate the Bible from ever coming into existence.

       What do you think the world we live on would be like right now if
    the above-described scenario was true?  Think about it for a moment and
    perhaps you will be able to add something to this post.

       Would our little planet be all screwed up?  Drug dealers on every
    corner, murders on every block, criminals running free and jails being
    over-crowded?  It's a possibility.  Christian churches would not exist
    and the human animal would not have a moral guide-line.  Therefore
    mayhem would exist throughout this country.  Oh, the other countries,
    for the most part would be the same because their religion predates
    Christianity.  I imagine that there would be quite a few more Moslems
    living here along with groups that were into Buddha, Shiva and other
    gods, too numerous to mention.
       Ask yourself, if you will, just what the differences would be if the
    Christian God and the Christian Bible did not exist.

       NEXT TO EXPLORE:  WHAT IF JESUS MADE HIS APPEARANCE NEXT MONTH FOR
    THE FIRST TIME EVER.  -Rod

    Message: 60738
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: President Bush...
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 19:27:45

            Rhetoric and more rhetoric...or is it?  Anyone else listen to the
    Presidents national TV talk on drugs?  I do agree, we need to do something.
    Either goto a real war on drugs, or make them legal.  It would be nice if
    America would rally together and put an end to illegal drugs.  Get involved,
    and don't turn your back if you see something, was part of the message.  I
    think I am going to just do that, so if any of you are recreational drug
    users, either give it up or don't let me know about it.
            Another point, if you buy drugs, you are supporting the murderers
    in Columbia, and are partly responsible for making the drug lords that
    powerful... not to mention RICH.

            I am for a Drug free America!  Just say No...

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 60739
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: last
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:14:15

    I just want to know one thing - is Biden on drugs?

    Message: 60740
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Imagine
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:35:44

    Pretend if you will, that the Christian God and the Christian Bible did not
    exist.  Rod Williams would be picking on Muhammed and the Qur'an.  And what
    if they didn't exist?  He'd be bugging us about Hinduism and The Bhagavad
    Gita.  And if they didn't exist?  Well, you get the idea.  If it doesn't go
    along with what Rod thinks is right, let's pick on it.

    Message: 60741
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/quacks
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:50:47

    What do you want to bet that an allergic reaction to aspirin overdose goes
    away normally in a couple days?  Am I correct in assuming that part of the
    prescription was to stop taking the aspirin?

    Did they cure your arthritis?  Who diagnosed it as such?

    Message: 60742
    Author: Jim Stark
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Hi there
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 22:06:37

    If there weren't any Jesus or a bible then we wouldn't know about them ten
    commandments.  PEople wouldn't know that it was a wrong thing to murder or
    steal, let alone go to bed with your wife, now would they? No Siree Bob.

    ANd too, every church would be like a store if we didn't know that Jesus
    disapproved.  We never would have guessed that the Publicans, Scribes and
    Pharasees were bad people.  ANd we never would have know about magic, like
    turning ordinary tap water into some good tasting wine.  Or being able to
    feed 5000 people with just a few crumbs of this and that. We are lucky.

    If He hadn't died for your and my sins then we'd sure be sinful but you
    know, we'd not know about that Satan or about Hell or even Heaven.
    We'd just live and not know about after death, is all.

    Now we know that the bad people of the world will be punished and because
    we know we can relax because the vengence is not ours to dish out, it is
    the lords.  We ain't even allowed to judge anyone,

    Message: 60743
    Author: John Tyler
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Alan/A.R.E.
    Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:01:48

    The banana oil might be good, too, depending on whether or not they use it
    in the "relaxation and massage therapy."

    Message: 60744
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Question?
    Subject: OUTLAND
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:05:51

    Now where can I find Breathed's new strip?
            -Mike

    Message: 60745
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod's "Lets imagine"
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:14:01

    O.k, let's just suppose that. That's like writing science fiction
    ...you can write just about anything but you really are just
    writing on your whims. We can do the same with;
    O.k..just suppose tomorrow the Constitution of the United States of
    America is declared null and void by a secret ballot.

    -or-

    Let's suppose..just bear with me...that man was born with only
    one set of appendages..(no legs) and the mouth was placed in
    the back of our heads. How do you think AMerica would be now?

    Your bent towards throwing blame on religion for moral ills of
    society shows a lack of capability with real issues. Drug lords
    don't exist because Jesus did or didn't. Violence, killing
    and more violence don't exist because the church does or doesn't.

    More bluntly; Taking your scenario...What if your landlord never
    existed?
    Answer: You wouldn't be in the rental you live in now.
    Larger scale: What if there were no landlords?
    Answer: There would be no rentals.
            -Mike

    Message: 60746
    Author: Mike Carter
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod II
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:25:06

    Now let's look at some more "what if's";
    Suppose the church never existed. Ok. Fine. Adding things up here
    we have *no* basis for morals. Morals become defined on an
    individual basis. There are no laws in the sense of a legal system we
    have now..because there's nothing to base them on. So what is right
    and what is wrong becomes an issue defined by an individual in a given
    situation at one specific time. That "law" changes as the situation does.
    In today's terms that is refered to as Anarchy in pure form.
    Everyone runs around doing what they please. The only time anyone
    needs anything or anyone is to satisfy wants, whims and basic needs.
    No taxes, no organization, no cities, no "Landlards".
    No organization means no help, no convenience, no mutually beneficial
    and not mutually exclusive assistance. Trade becomes BARTER.
    We ***EVOLVED*** into the cities and situation we are in now as far
    as building society on a common good foundation. People and places would
    sort of resemble the Roman Empire. You'd have people banding together
    and forming alliances of a sort. Cities would exist. Every 20 years or
    so though you'd have an overthrow (due to population density of current
    Earth) of every major "alliance" if not more frequent. Therefore
    there'd be little progress. Tending to one's own needs and wants
    would be more important than helping someone else or doing a task to
    benefit generations ahead as it would be destroyed in the rampant wars.

    We have paralells of some of this today. The violence is an attribute
    of those against an organized society..violence can be attributed to
    disputes..disputes about material goods or services and ownership.
    A dispute involves more than one person. It is the inability of the
    persons to resolve the dispute in a civilized manner. Jesus hasn't
    been inciting this..mankind has. Mankind looks to blame for his
    own stupidity and picks God to spite his self hatred.
    Where Rod twists God into this is obvious. He blames God for everything
    as it stands. Rod attempts to make rules for Gods' existance, by
    making God responsible for everything Rod doesn't like...therefore
    to alleviate the responsibility off of himself. Much like the pot
    calling the kettle black. IN this case, God created the Heavens and
    the Earth and man to dominate the earth. Man was left in charge..not
    God. We do to ourselves as we do unto others. Pour acid into a bucket
    of clean water and the acid permeates the water. Pour hate or
    discontent into the world and it gets full eventually. Dig a hole
    and you have a mound of sand. Pollute the atmosphere and you get acid
    rain. Pour freon into the air and you get shifting weather...shifting
    weather makes for unstable ground . We are destroying our home.
    Not God. Not Jesus. Not the Bible. The holy trinity is there to point
    the way to happiness and prevention. It is all too obvious fewer and
    fewer are listening as the world "situation" grows worse.
    Just imagine.........................
                            -Mike

    Message: 60748
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Illegal Drugs
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:53:42

    I have a good solution to get people off illegal drugs.  Make them legal.

    Message: 60749
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 02:00:52

    Thanks for the reply.  Although I do not agree with the content of your
    posts, you have as much right to express them as I have.

    Religion hasn't done a damn bit of good.  All it has done is divide people
    against one another.  Todd Reese, James White, Cliff, Paul Savage, You, are
    all so-called good Christians until you discuss your individual beliefs.
    Then you avoid one another.  Atheists or agnostics do not or can not have
    these problems.  These two groups recognize that all are brother and live
    accordingly.

    Rod

    Message: 60750
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Todd
    Date: 09/07/89  Time: 02:02:30

    Excuse please, but aren't you the same Todd Reese, member in good
    standing of the Mormon Church, who went to Hawaii for two years in
    order to gain converts to your religion? eh?

    And isn't it that same church that has people come to my door from
    time to time in order to convert me to their way of thinking?  And
    when I refuse to pray with them then I am shown a passage in the Book
    of Mormon that says, in effect, "those who do not pray are from
    Satan"?

    Am I refused these same rights by you?  Instead of calling me, "straw
    man", straw man", why not answer my points, or can't you?  As you know,
    the term straw man means 'a nothing person' and you sit there in front
    of your computer and call me 'nothing' and you don't even have the
    decency to try to prove me wrong.

    As a representative of the Mormon religion you are not doing a very
    good job, I believe.  Can't you do any better, Todd?   -Rod

    P.S.  Hope this post doesn't 'tick' you off but isn't it about time you gave
    and answer?  Carter did.  Savage ignores me.

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     1:Zak is back but is having disk drive problems.  It was I who posted the two
     2:message bases of quotes, giving Zak credit for one of them.  I was reading
     3:the Satricon at the time and thought some of (all) them needed to hit the
     4:board.
     5:
     6:Fuck a Duck, Screw a Pidgeon, Go to Hell and get Religion -Anon.

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