### Apollo BBS Archive - December 3, 1988

    Mail to Jim Lippard
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:45:43

                                    November 22, 1988
          Thank you for your letter regarding drug legalization.  Your
    letter was very thoughtful.
          By now, you know my position on legalizing drugs, and why I am
    against it.  I disagree that legalization has worked in Holland.
    Moreover, I don't believe we can reduce crime by forbidding our police
    from carrying weapons like the English Bobbies.
          Marijuana may be less dangerous than other drugs, but marijuana
    is a "gateway" drug--one that can easily lead to abuse of other, more
    dangerous substances.  Again, legalizing marijuana would not, in my
    opinion, cause people to switch from alcohol to marijuana.
          Finally, I appreciate your concern for raising your family in a
    healthy environment.  This was a very important concern for me when
    our children were growing up.  We did a lot to educate our children
    against drug or alcohol use.  I believe that drugs, from alcohol to
    marijuana to the harder substances, all contribute to an unhealthy
    environment for our children.  That's another reason I oppose
    legalization.
          Again, thank you for your letter.  Please don't hesitate to
    contact me if I can be of service.
                                        Sincerely,
                                        JON KYL
                                        Member of Congress
    (The letter came this afternoon. - Rod) see my post on Prop. 106 Main Bd.

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    Message: 4851
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: Certificate
    Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:10:33

      I shall treasure mine always.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4852
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Fire'arms
    Subject: Pictures
    Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:14:19

      Did you get them yet?
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 4853
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Believe it or not!
    Subject: award
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 06:40:41

    Mine is hanging in the computer room.
                  !!! SHOOT THEM ALL RALPH !!!

    Message: 4854
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:26:18

            We received the Apollo GT Shoot-Out pictures yesturday.
    Your captions on some of them were hilarious! Hahahaha-He-Ha ...
    The pictures will have to be shown around at the next GT ....
            Worth the look people .....

            Had my Night Qualification Shoot last night, so was busy
    getting ready. Looks like I passed ...... Should receive my EXPERT pin
    tomorrow in class.
            Think everyone would have done better score wise if the moon was
    out. My ..... shooting in complete darkness is spooky!

    Message: 4855
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ralph
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:27:32

            If I visit you someday at your place, am I going to find
    bullet holes in your Certificate?

    Message: 1971
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Question?
    Subject: last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:28:05

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?

    Message: 1972
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: slogan
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:00:39

    Just say N(2)O.

    Message: 1973
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Star TreK
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:33:52

            What do you mean Apollo does not have a vaporizing unit?
    Why, we are working on such a thing right now .........
    The only problem we see with such a unit installed on Apollo is the
    sudden decrease in users. We also have no idea when the decline in
    the number of users will level off.
            We are Treky fans and are not ashamed to copy from one of Star
    Trek's episodes.

    P.S. Any volunteers on trying out the vaporizing command when installed?

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     1:        I volunteer Todd Reese.
     2:                        Rod
     3:P.S.  There is no sound associated with one hand clapping unless you clap it
     4:against a tree or a drum or your head.....then there is sound.  Of course,
     5:one hand swishing through the air would have a sound and if amplified could
     6:be quite loud.
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    Message: 2396
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Thang!
    Subject: last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 04:19:34

    Who told you?

    Message: 2397
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Nick - your car.
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:20:29

    Did it really brake down?

    Message: 2398
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Beyond...
    Subject: Ann on Nick
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 13:39:17

            Ann, I think Nick took a walk one dark moonless night and couldn't
    find himself for all his black clothing. When he did, he then had to find
    his vehicle ..... which, I am assuming, he is doing at present. He had to
    take a quick break from his search to get an Apollo 'FIX'.

    Message: 2399
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Nick's auto
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:51:27

            Nick would have any trouble finding his auto.  It is a vivid, glow
    in the dark, pink.  I think his brakes are just fine.

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    Message: 55854
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 12/02/88  Time: 23:04:02

    Re:  "Well, Bob, did you really read this and where?"

    Did I really read it??  I don't even remember saying it!  I must be getting
    old.  If I said it, I probably read it in the Republic.

    Message: 55855
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob, etc
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:26:39

    Did you happen to see 20/20 last night?  In particular, the portion about
    child-molesting Catholic priests.  It wasn't until the very end of the
    article when the reporter explained to Hugh that the percentage of
    child-molesting priests is no higher than that of the general public.
    It would have been nice if they had told us that before they made the
    Catholic church look like a church of child-molesters.

    Message: 55856
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Burkhart
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:55:25

            The majority rules....  The majority voted in favor of that Property
    appearance law about a year back.  You know the one, where on your oun
    property, you must meet someone elses standards.  This law clearly violates
    my right to do with my property as I wish.   But it is law because the
    MAJORITY wanted it this way.  By the way, this proves the property is never
    really yours, it belongs to the state and you are renting it by paying
    taxes.
            The "In God We Trust" does not do ANYTHING in ANYWAY to prevent
    someone from doing something....  Like Jim harpping on "Victimless crimes"
    as a waste of tax payers money... When it comes to a "Victimless phase" like
    "IGWT"...he's ready to make a fedral case out of it.

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 55857
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 04:41:57

    I'm not surprised that Moe Biller would be unhappy as would the rest of the
    Postal union leadership and membership, since the Heritage foundation has a
    notoriously anti-union, anti-labor image, which I doubt has changed much.

    Message: 55858
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Todd/20/20
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:17:18

    I thought that was bad reporting and unfair to Catholics. If they had said
     in the beginning that only 5 % of the priests molest children - they
    wouldn't of had much of a story. In this one - they stooped to the Enquiror
    type reporting - scandel! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 55859
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 10:02:39

    If 5% of priests molest children, that is quite a sensational story.

    Message: 55860
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Post Office
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 10:12:35

      When private companies are allowed to compete with the Post Office in the
    areas that are currently monopolized, the Post Office will probably wither
    away. Postal workers who would like to keep it in business should be in
    favor of privatizing it while it still exists as a major employer. That is
    the way in which the greatest percentage of them would keep their jobs in
    the long run.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 55861
    Author: Louis Jennings
    Category: In search of
    Subject: WEATHER DATA
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 11:07:42

    Does anyone out there know anything about accessing weather data from the
    National Weather Service or NOAA?  /LOUIS*

    Message: 55862
    Author: $ Apro Poet
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Chomsky
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 12:06:10

    3 Latin America: "An Incident, Not An End"

      Selser is, of course, not the first Latin American to
    discover that "the United States ((seems)) destined to plague
    and torment the continent in the name of freedom" (Simon
    Bolivar, 1829).  Nor was Kennan the first to enunciate the
    doctrine that the US has special rights in Latin America.
    Thomas Jefferson declared that "America has a hemisphere to
    itself," and John Quincy Adams, while formulating the
    thinking that led to the Monroe Doctrin, stated to the
    cabinet that the world must be "familiarized with the idea
    of America."  It is, he said, "as much a law of nature that
    this should become our pretension as that the Mississippi
    should flow to the sea," while in his diary he recorded his
    statement to British minister Canning: "Keep what is yours,
    but leave the rest of this continent to us."  Connell-Smith
    comments that while it is not entirely clear what Jefferson,
    a well-known expansionist, meant by the term "America," "the
    appropriation by United States citizens of the adjective
    'American', not surprisingly resented by Latin Americans, has
    encouraged a proprietary attitude towards the hemisphere
    already present in 1823."
      This proprietary interest was expressed in the Monroe
    Doctrine, announced by the President in 1823.  This doctrine
    has no more standing in international affairs than the
    Brezhnev Doctrine a century and a half later, expressing the
    right of the USSR to protect the "socialist" world from
    influences regarded as subversive.  In the major scholarly
    study of the Monroe Doctrine and its subsequent history,
    Dexter Perkins comments that "The Doctrine is a policy of
    the United States, not a fixed principle of international
    law," a conclusion that is surely correct.  Latin Americans
    "have seen ((the Monroe Doctrine)) as an expression of United
    States hegemony employed to justify that country's own
    intervention," not as protection against Europe, and since
    the days of Simon Bolivar have sought "to summon Europe to
    their aid against the Colossus of the North," with good
    reason.
      The operative meaning of the Doctrine was lucidly explained
    by Woodrow Wilson's Secretary of State Robert Lansing, in
    what Wilson described as an "unanswerable" argument but one
    that it would be "impolitic" to state openly:
         In its advocacy of the Monroe Doctrine the United States
         considers its own interests.  The integrity of other
         American nations is an incident, not an end.  While this
         may seem based on selfishness alone, the author of the
         Doctrine had no higher or more generous motive in its
         declaration.

      A few years earlier President William Howard Taft had
    sagely explained that "the day is not far distant" when "the
    whole hemisphere will be ours in fact as, by virtue of our
    superiority of race, it already is ours morally."  The
    attitude towards Latin Americans remains as expressed by
    Wilson's Secretary of the Interior to Lansing: "They are
    naughty children who are exercising all the privileges and
    rights of grown ups," requiring "a stiff hand, an
    authoritative hand."

    Message: 55865
    Author: $ Jim Lippard
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: priests
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 12:59:32

    The difference between Catholic priest child molesters and child molesters
    in the general public is that the Catholic Church's usual response to the
    problem is to cover it up and simply transfer the priest to another parish,
    where the molesting begins again.

    Message: 55866
    Author: Louis Jennings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Priests
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 15:50:36

    To preface Child Molester with "Priest" only accomplishes naming a
    sub-
    category of the phenomena.  Why not produce an article concerning child
    molesting bus drivers.  Catholic Priests who molest children is saleable
    as a news item because it questions the premise of the church as a
    moral institution.  Besides, it's only television, isn't it?

    Message: 55867
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: child molesters
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:54:13

    Surely, all catholic priests who molest children do not get discovered.
    I hear that more than a few priests get AIDS.  Catholic Priests should be
    allowed to marry.

    Message: 55868
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Politics
    Subject: BIG BUCKS $$$$$$
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 18:56:27

          DATELINE, PHOENIX, Arizona Republic, December 3, 1988 'ADIOS--ER
    ...BYE BYE'.  Those little green signs that bid Phoenix motorists,
    "Adios amigos," soon could be going, well bye bye.
          The signs have long been imprinted with the Spanish words,
    translated as, "Goodbye, friends."
          But last month's passage of Proposition 106, making English the
    state's official language, makes it questionable whether such words
    can adorn city signs.
          City Attorney Rod McDougall said that there are exceptions to
    the new rule requiring government to "act in English and no other
    language."
          "But 'Adios amigos' might not make it.  I don't know," he said.
          The signs will remain, and any bilingual business in Phoenix
    will go on as usual until the courts interpret the proposition,
    Councilwoman Mary Rose Wilcox said.

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    Message: 540
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Rod the Godless
    Subject: Last on brains
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 01:59:49

            That sure leaves you out!

    *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

    Message: 541
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Annie the ASSp
    Subject: Mike on religion
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 09:45:02

    Lets discuss this a bit farther -- Christian religion(s) have changed from
    20 or so years ago! When I was a child and a Catholic - the rule was, to act
    like Christ would have acted - to do other wise was a sin because He was our
    example - being man and God. (If He could do it - we all could!) The
    teachers would even go so far as to tell us not to even use words like
    'jeeze' - 'damn' - 'hell' etc. because these were in essence swear words and
    we were to control our tongues. Because it was like this - we had guide
    lines - we knew what was a sin clearly and we tried to stop it and did for
    the most part. Years later I became a Lutheran and the basic rules were
    still the same - 'try to act like Christ would have in every situation'! Now
    the religions have different doctrines which I don't understand. They tell
    you you are human and are sinfull no matter what - they allow swearing, not
    turning the other cheek, anger, etc. How many times I've heard on this BBS a
    Christian say he/she will not take any crap from anyone because they are a
    Christian! I truly thought that turning the other cheek was part of being a
    Christian?? And I ask this in all sincerety - why be a Christian in the
    first place if you arn't going to walk that path? I never got the impression
    that believing in Christ and being forgiven gave licence to sin! Am I wrong
    in believing the religions have changed? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 542
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Mike Farter
    Subject: Last
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 14:51:11

    I don't believe that *I* was the one who started all the rude conversation.
    You and your snotty attitude are the problem.  Go play with some primer
    caps.

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    [D]aryl Sulker           [E]lf A-L-A-N
    [F]oxy Traci's Follies   [H]awley Crock Smith
    [I]nnajug Jeannie        [J]T Intellect Bore
    [K]racked Kobblestone    [M]ike Farter
    [N]ick the Geek!         [O]ld Fart Ralph B.
    [P]ussy Steve            [R]od the Godless
    [S]illy Burkhart         [T]awdry Tales
    [W]esson Oil Dean        [Z]ak Drools

    Message: 543
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Rod the Godless
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 12/03/88  Time: 19:03:13

            Cliff, thank you for the new (and better) category.  I was only
    kidding Mike about not having a brain.  He has one but doesn't use much of
    it.  As far as your comment about me not having one.....well....I know that
    I do.  I see it being used very well in my everyday life.
                            Rod, the Godless