### Apollo BBS Archive - March 11, 1989

    Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 04:11:07

    I don't know what to think about the Ruger 9mm. It is comparatively
    inexpensive, but I wasn't impressed with the construction. I think you
    should take a look at the Taurus. It's built in the old Baretta factory, and
    I've been really happy with mine.
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     1:        How much is a Taurus?  I like the way the Ruger 22 is put together.
     2:Is there a difference between that and a 9mm?
     3:        I gave Christian your message about, "What will marriage change?",
     4:last night and she didn't say anything, as usual.  I don't know what is
     5:going on in her mind.
     6:        JT has been gone from Apollo for awhile.  Wonder what he is doing?

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 08:07:19

    Why do you think Peter is Afro Poet? And which 'Jesus' comment were you
    talking about? You make so many! Ha ha. I'm not exactly an athiest but
    sometimes I can't stand the utter moralistic attitude of so called Christian
    - the one's that arn't truly living by what they preach. I find your 'Jesus
    Sucks! comments not offensive at all - yet when a so called Christian spouts
    off expletives - talks about how awful you are - or how wrong everybody that
    isn't Christian is - this really turns me off. I just don't believe acting
    that way is Christian and that comes under the category of being two faced.
    Which one of them do you know 'turns the other cheek'? That is a clear Bible
    law/rule/statement - yet they certainly have problems with it. Seems the so
    called Christians do not go by/do not plan to go by what the book teaches -
    but their gonna make damn sure you and everybody else is going to live by
    them. Ha. Thanks, but no thanks! They can keep it. See you later.
                           -=*) ANN (*=-
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     1:        I left a message on the main board that said, "Jesus used drugs, it
     2:says so in the bible."  I guess Cliff and Sandy zapped it.  But what can one
     3:expect, eh?
     4:        Religion sucks the big one.

    Mail from Ann Oudin
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 08:37:46

    Ha - after reading the BB this morning - I see we answered Daryl the same
    way re: drugs, child porn etc. But you said it better!
    Now that he's got religion, he's becoming a rightious moralist. Bah Humbug!
    Him and those like him make my point exactly! Too bad - he used to be a fun
    fellow. Oh well ..... -=*) ANN (*=-
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     1:        You have been posting some very logical messages these past few
     2:months.  Your attitude is good.  Keep it up.

    Computer Hacker SIG Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 120
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Bit Bucket Talk
    Subject: Repulsive
    Date: 03/10/89  Time: 23:45:16

    Anybody see the ad in the paper from the Republic asking for hackers to
    contact the main office?

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 57486
    Author: $ Bob Thornburg
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 05:02:11

    Re:  "Christ used drugs.  It says so in the bible."

    I'll bite.  Where does it say that?

    Message: 57487
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/victimless crime
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 05:32:09

    WHen a kid abuses drugs, that kid is the first victim. THen the family
    members are victims. THen those from whom that kid must eventually steal to
    obtain more drugs are victims. THen the entire society, who must bear the
    cost of either rehabilitation, investigation of the crimes committed, and
    probably hospitalization and/or funeral expenses become victimized.
     How can you say that drug abuse is a victimless crime?
    Legalization is not the answer either. All that will accomplish is to make
    the poison that much more available. The kids will be able to buy it at the
    corner candy store instead of having to find a pusher that hasn't been shot
    yet for selling on the wrong corner.

    Message: 57488
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/1 of 1
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 05:48:28

     After our previous exchange, I checked with the local police department,
    speaking to a sargeant at the Cactus Park station concerning the
    availability of automatic weapons such as the AK-47.
     According to the "facts"you presented, I guess he lied to me when he told
    me that all that was required to purchase these automatic weapons (not
    look-alikes) was a simple form stating name, address, etc. and saying that
    the purchaser had never been convicted of a felony. That and put your money
    on the counter. Period. No waiting. No background check. Nothing of the
    kind.
    The figures that I saw quoted concerning the numbers of gang related
    killings in California, and the fact that most of them were not gang
    members, but innocent bystanders, did not come from some panicked media
    person, but were figures taken from police files.
     What I read was not editorials condemning gang activities, but news
    articles, stating the who, what , when , where and why of the situation.
    Once in a while they must be telling some truth!
     If as much as one little old lady on her way to buy groceries falls victim
    to an automatic weapon in the hands of a gang member, it would suffice as
    reason enough to do all in our power to prevent such weapons from falling
    into such hands. If this means the cessation of production, so be it. If it
    can be done with stricter controls on distribution, then that should be
    done.
     I appreciate the time and effort you have put in your posts, but if you
    continue to dismiss facts as media hype, we are at loggerheads.

    Message: 57489
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/dope
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 08:14:16

    Where else is organized crime going to go? Where else could they make those
    kind of big bucks? They'll always be around, but why give them something
    like the profit of drugs? Re: child pornography - yes, they make big bucks,
    but no where near what a drug runner or even a pusher can make. There just
    isn't the demand for child porn. Besides - that IS exploitation - the
    children have no choice - drug users do so because they want to!
                        -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57490
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Daryl/evils
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 08:26:30

    You can put the tag of evil on such things but that doesn't make it so.
    Drugs have been around ever since man has been here - it was legal up until
    the last couple centuries.
    Re: the state making kids drug users - that won't happen any more than the
    state making them alcholics. That is ridiculious. A drug store (litterly)
    could be run just like a liquor store and I certainly don't see any twelve
    year olds purchasing Jack Daniel's from the local store. Sure, the kids will
    get a hold of it just like they do liquor and cigarettes and they'll no
    doubt steal for it too - but certainly on a much lesser scale than now. He
    wouldn't be able to make the big bucks or sell it to adults because the
    adults can go get what they want anytime and at reasonable prices. It will
    also remove the thrill of doing something illegal. That can't be under rated
    either. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 57491
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 11:46:04

            Without digging into statistical literature I am sure I could safely
    say that at least one little old lady has fallen victim to a vehicle or a
    knife or a chain or a club in the hands of a gang member.
                    LET'S BAN THEM ALL !!!!!!!

            I would liked to have listened to your conversation with this
    sergeant at the Cactus station. I smell a misunderstood conversation.
    But, to be fair, I will have a chat with a few of my law enforcement friends
    and see what they say.

                            BAN THEM ALL !!!!!!
                                Sandy

    Message: 57492
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Bob/Drugs
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 11:57:28

            Okay, you bit, here goes.

            Jesus had oils rubbed into his skin.  They made him feel refreshed
    and smell good.  Pot has the same effect.  I guess one could make a paste of
    pot and rub it on the skin.  It certainally smells good.
            Hope this answers your question. -Rod

    Message: 57493
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul/victimless crim
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 12:07:58

            You used the word abuse.  All substances can be abused and this
    includes greasy bacon.  There is nothing wrong with substances that come
    from flower tops when used on occasion.  They are much better than animal
    products.  By your logic everyone is a victim of something.
            Drugs which comes from vegstable matter are most probably the most
    healthful substances on this planet.
            I'm sure that every American abuses the fallout from automobile
    exhausts and this certainally isn't a victimless crime.  Every man, woman
    and child has to suffer the consequences on a equal basis.  Plant substances
    are probably the best things ever to come down the pike and I'm not talking
    substance which are allowed to ferment.
           But one must be careful and not abuse that which we have a choice of.
            I guess kids after trying certain drugs find them to be such a
    contrast to their everyday life that in many cases abuse follows.  Too bad
    the stage is set for that to happen.  This world is so very corrupt that
    people, all people, want to do things that make them feel good.  Children
    have so very little real things that make their lives feel good.
                    -Rod

    Message: 57494
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Rod/Guns
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 12:20:20

      Personally, I don't own any of my guns because of any necessity for them.
    I own them because I choose to have them and I would still choose to have
    them regardless of any changes in the condition of the world.
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57495
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 12:34:42

      If a police officer or anyone else told you that fully automatic weapons
    can be legally purchased under those terms they were incorrect. The matter
    is really beside the point though. What you have to understand is that there
    is absolutely no gain to be had from attacking the legal ownership of
    firearms. The huge jump from wanting to control criminal violence to
    pointing the finger at specific firearms and those who legally own them has
    no validity whatsoever. This has been demonstrated for decades and there is
    no basis for any further trust in this worthless idea.
      Usefull ways of dealing with crime are available, so why continue to
    believe in fairy tales when something concrete CAN be done?
       See You Later
          Dean H.

    Message: 57496
    Author: Andrew Pollack
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: outpost
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 14:39:15

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    Message: 57497
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Drugs & Crime 1-3
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 19:20:19

          For every problem there is a cause.  Every problem has a
    solution.  Simple words, simple meaning.
          Why people abuse substances is anyone's guess.  My guess based
    upon a few items of knowledge will follow.  It has been noted that
    during times of great stress people will do abnormal things.  During
    the First World War, 1914-1919, cigarette sales went way up.  During
    the Great Depression, ash trays had to be added to the table in
    restaurants as the amount of smokers increased at an alarming rate.
    You know, smoke a cigarette, calm your nerves, an old saying.  Alcohol
    is no exception.  In the old movies, most everyone smoked right on
    screen and many a time I have heard the comment on films, "I deserve a
    reward, I'll have a drink".  Of course everyone who watched wanted to
    be cool like the movie stars so again these two substances soared in
    sales.  So, we have two things that bring about abuse, stress and peer
    (or should that be idol) pressure.
          In our nation today and especially in the big cities, there is
    an awful lot of stress.  We go by the clock more so than anytime in
    history.  Hustle-bustle is a way of life.  Being short of money, having
    to go without items and having your credit cards charged to the max is
    the norm.  Both husband and wife working at jobs away from their brood
    is more necessary now than ever before.  Children are being raised by
    child care centers and their schools.  Their parents are usually too
    tired to help much after a hard day of work.

    Message: 57498
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 2 of 3
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 19:21:13

          Why is it like this?  It isn't necessarily Capitalism that is to
    blame.  But it is Pig-Capitalism.  Another cause is separation of the
    common person from their government.  It is being pushed and shoved by
    the Establishment with no recourse.  It is a feeling of hopelessness
    that comes from situations beyond our control.  Guess I'll have
    another drink and dull the problem from my mind.
          We are a nation of madmen, out of control.  It is not
    economically feasible to rent a house nor is it economically possible
    to purchase one, at least for the average middle class person.  This
    in itself is a gigantic rub as a safe and secure cave is a basic need
    of the human self.  Always has been, always will.  A cat or other
    animal will not have a kitten in a place considered to be dangerous.
    They will spend weeks scoping out a safe spot.  A human is no
    exception to this rule.  A feeling of safety and well-being is most
    important to us.  Many people (read many) are dictated to by their
    landlords.  Three days late with the almighty money and eviction
    proceedings are started.  There are just as many stresses with this
    so-called, buying a home, as the lender likes to see their money just
    as well and balloon payments have become a part of many financing
    deals.

    Message: 57499
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: 3 of 3
    Date: 03/11/89  Time: 19:22:14

          So here we have parents who both work in order to pay for their
    nest and children who lack in parental supervision.  This is not a
    good situation for this country.  The final matter I wish to touch on
    is that there are bombs that exist which are more than capable of
    destroying all human life on this planet.  This in itself is bad and
    causes stress but because we are constantly reminded of world unrest
    and military paranoia the situation is in the forefront of our minds.
          Although drugs are not the correct way to solve the problems of
    the world they do offer a solution to the person who is overwhelmed by
    the enormousness of them.  Would anyone like to volunteer to be chief
    leader and organizer of the working class?  I'd bet that Chris Zagar
    or some other competent programmer could write one heck of a program
    for mankind to follow.
          So you see, the government is prosecuting people for problems
    that it is directly responsible for.  Prisons are being filled beyond
    capacity with those who are not real criminals.  But when the inmates
    are released from prison watch out because now we are dealing with a
    bitter victim of the unjust laws of the establishment.  Society is
    becoming worse off.  Buy your AK-47 while there is still time.
                                    -Rod

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