### Apollo BBS Archive - June 27, 1990

    Mail from Randy Sanders
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 20:24:51

    When I switch Hands I gain a Stroke!
    No I haven't heard from Sue I guess I might give a Call tonight
    Put in a good Word for If you see her (don't tell her anything TRUE tho)
    Where are these Asinine Deabates at anyway? I didn't know I could get
    involved without $$$ first. I think this next PAYDAY is only (2) more
    working days in the Life away I will be able to cough up the $$$ to be
    tracking. Keep cool that is a JOB in itself nowadays. Say "HI" to Melody for
    me I will call You probably Thursday night about 9-10. I got my LISP
    routines published in the Cad Institue Designer (My Alma Mother) today. That
    sure made my DAY. o well I am working on some MENUs for the AutoCad BBS so
    got to go. bye -randy

    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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     1:Way to go about being published.
     2:
     3:Yes, you can get involved in any debate on the Main Board without having
     4:$tatus.  Just keep track of the last message you read and start from there
     5:when you log on again.  It's easy but $tatus, and a bargain price of $12. is
     6:better.
     7:
     8:See ye around motherfucker.
     9:

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    Message: 66980
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff B./animals
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 21:51:32

            Do you allow that there IS or MIGHT BE an essential difference
    between man and animal?  (Essential:of the essence of the being.) If so,
    what is that difference, if not the ability to reason? I'm willing to grant
    that in all other aspects, man is, indeed, an animal.   --John C.--
    On G.K> Cesterton, there is a great new biography of him.  I bought it, but
    loaned it to a friend, and he never returned it.  I'll try to track down the
    title of it for next posting opportunity.

    Message: 66981
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff B./ English
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 21:53:13

            "Between" denotes only two.  If a common thread runs from one to a
    second to a third, it runs AMONG them.     --John C.--

    Message: 66982
    Author: Jeff Lochansky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Shades/J.Beck
    Date: 06/26/90  Time: 22:53:18

    Yes I shure do, I blind myself sometimes. Must be envy to even make such a
    remark. Have you ever felt so good that you just had to tell the world about
    it? I venture to say no.Yes I am exstremly proud of myself, because for me
    that is my biggest acomplishment in years. After years of having nothing but
    bad luck all around, I just had one of the best days of my life,and reading
    your post might just have ruined it, thanks. It shure is a sad day when
    somebody as envious as you has to ruin a luckless persons one good day in
    years. Lets make you blind.
    Not only did they offer me the school, any school of my choosing, but any
    profession I wanted. Want to get even blinder?
    I had to take test, a lot of them, and I was told that I had the highest
    scores in of any applicant for the program in years.
    Lets blind you totally.
    I'm going to go to the most expensive school in Az and take their most
    expensive courses and get my bacholors in science, and I'll do it for free,
    because I have the ability and intelligence to do it.
    Can you still see Jeff B.?
    If not ask me for more bright light, I'll gladky give you more.
    Disclaimer to the rest of the good folks on apollo:
    I did not wish to blow my own horn, but the guy just ruined the best day in
    my life with that remark and I could not help myself but to let him have it.
    The only reason I posted my original post on Apollo, is because I couldn't
    aford to call home to germany and let my folks know, and I just had to tell
    anybody, i didn't care, So Sorry  THE MAD MAX

    Message: 66983
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 00:01:17

            Congrats on your good fortune Mr Mad Max....  I wish you well, and
    am for one glad you posted your news on Apollo.   You need NOT be SORRY, but
    stand tall and be PROUD!

                            clif-

    Message: 66984
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Jeff Lochansky
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 00:23:55

    Great going there!
    I know first-hand how frustrating the VA can get.
    Well well well. Hey, you asked earlier about some input.
    Well, here it is for all it's worth.
    ASU yes DeVry No.
    I have been asked before why I will not hire anyone from DeVry.
    The reason is because in the 10 years I've been messing around
    in this State (and some of it out) I have not once run into a graduate
    from there that was capable of doing his job. That's not to say there
    arent any. At one point, it was so bad that most of the shops in town
    that had anything to do with Electronics period, would not take a
    DeVry graduate. That's why they place such a heavy emphasis on out
    of state placement.
    Too many of these places I have been with had some not-so-nice things
    to say about their experiences with an EX employee from DeVry.
    ASU will be a much more respected source of Education and by far
    worth more to you as an individual. That's my two cents worth.
    As an employer ,  if I had the choice between a person from DeVry and
    a person from ASU, both with a BA in science in electronics, I'll take
    the ASU student *ANYDAY* and I bet if you asked succinctly around that
    you wil get the same response from an overwhelmming majority of
    employers.
                    -Mike
    Congrats!

    Message: 66985
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: News Today
    Subject: YOUR A/C SURVIVAL
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 00:41:29

    Here's a little help for you swelters out there who may or may not have
    problems with your A/C unit.
    If your A/C suddenly kicks off but the fan still runs (blowing hot
    air) then there is a couple things you can do before you call
    out an A/C man who will not only be sure to charge you good and proper,
    but will be quite some time because of the numerous...and I do mean
    ****** numerous ****** calls the A/C companies have been getting.
     (1) Get up on the roof and look for a hole in the panels that may or
         may not have "RESET" marked nearby.
         a) Using a PLASTIC or other NON-conductive tool, push the switch
            in. This is your HEADER PRESSURE overload switch. It will go
            off in this kind of heat. AC units were never designed to handle
            120 degree + (plus) weather. If your unit *does not* pop off
            feel both thankful and worried at the same time. Reason is that
            you most likely have a low charge in your system. Of course, if
            your unit is less than 5 years old it shouldn't be too bad.
     (2) Another reason for the AC to blow hot air is because the compressor
            went out on internal overload. (Too HOT). The unit will continue
            to blow hot air for about 1 hour or so and then (most units)
            will turn itself back on again. Be patient if you see that the
            header pressure is NOT sprung.

    The most likely time for the A/C to kick off on header pressure is
    just after it cycles on. That's when the outside coils have the
    hottest freon. The pressure builds up because the motor is trying to
    fight that heat build-up in the return air.

    The third most common reason for the Header pressure switch to kick
    out is due to a failure of the outside coil fan. (Not the squirrel
    cage fan that blows your air inside...). If this outside fan
    is not spinning, the pressure will build up BIG time. It wont work.
    Make sure that the outside fan turns on when and if you need to
    reset the pressure breaker. If it doesn't spin then call an AC
    service guy out to replace it and don't accept any B.S. about your
    compressor.

    If your unit keeps kicking off on the pressure switch..there is a way
    to help it along. It's called the Hose trick. But you must be very
    careful to ensure water does not get into the fan motor!
    The best way to do this is to go up on your roof with a jug of water.
    reset the A/C...now slowly..**SLOWLY** sprinkle some water over the
    outside surface of the coils. This will help keep the header pressure
    down while it fights to cool off your house. If you can keep it going
    for about 10 minutes, chances are it will stay on.
    I don't recommend any of you OLD FARTS doing this because the roof is
    no place to lose balance or faint because of heat exhaustion!

    The water over the outside-coils trick should be a last resort.
    You can spray a fine mist safely over the coils and achieve the
    desired results from the ground using a nozzle on your hose.
    Too much water into the coils will be sucked through into the fan
    motor. Not only can this cause you grief in the form of the
    fan shorting out but within a week your fan motor will cease working
    because the bearings would have rusted up!
    (NOTE: I'm *not* talking about swamp coolers).
    Other hazards of water mixing with the A/C should be obvious. Most
    units are run off 220VAC. That stuff will fry you dead or maim you
    in a very memorable and painful manner.
    One of the most common things an A/C serviceman will do with a customer
    who keeps calling them out is to jumper that pressure switch out.
    I don't recommend *anyone* doing it unless you're prepared to buy
    a new A/C unit in case the internal overload fails to work on your
    compressor. (Chances are very unlikely it will fail, but there's still
    the need to say this!)
    What this does for you is minimizes your trips to the roof and the amount
    of sweat on your brow. The A/C will only kick off if it gets so extreeme
    that the internal overload will pop. (As I explained, *MOST* units , 99%
    of them will self-reset when they cool off).
    So don't get boondoggled by hungry A/C service companies that, belive me,
    make a *GRAND* killing in these summer months.
                            -Mikey

    Message: 66988
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings/66980
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 05:17:06

    John, evidently you have not been reading my messages.  In my last one to
    you, I suggested that there are essential differences between any pair of
    species you can name.  I also suggested that while manthought is probably
    different from apethought, and while apethought is at a less developed stage
    along *its* lines than is manthought along *its* lines, it is entirely
    inaccurate to state that the ability to reason -- any ability to reason to
    any degree in any manner -- is unique to man.  This "essence of the being"
    claptrap strikes me as rather mystical in character, and perhaps explains
    the nature of your problem: you are inclined to seek qualities which isolate
    and somehow elevate man above all other living creatures.  I'm strongly
    surprised that you haven't started talking about souls -- men no doubt
    having them and animals (poor brutes) sadly lacking.  Do you not believe
    that this is so?

    Message: 66989
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings/between
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 05:27:47

    From Webster's New Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary:

    between

    1.  in or through the space that separates two things.
    2.  in or of the time, amount, or degree that seperates two things;
    intermediate to; as between green and blue.
    3.  seperating
    4.  connecting; relating; as a bond *between* friends.
    5.  by the action of both of; as *between* them they landed the fish.
    6.  by the combined possession of; as, the men had fifty dollars *between*
    them.

    There are other definitions, but I think that these suffice to demonstrate
    that, as in the more general meanings of numbers three, four, and six, the
    word "between" is not limited to the narrow sense which you ascribed to it.

    If you're going to be pedantic, you ought at least to be correct.

    Message: 66990
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Lochansky
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 05:29:12

    It was an allusion to a song, you muttonhead.

    Message: 66991
    Author: Hans Glans
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: AC
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 07:16:26

    Of course, it is good to precool your house before it gets so hot the AC has
    a hard time exchanging the heat outside.

    Message: 66993
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 10:51:06

    I too am a Star Trek fan, but have never been able to get involved in the
    new one on TV. Do you like it? If so, why? Maybe I'm missing something.
                                -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 66994
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/black holes
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 12:17:23

    I'll see if I can dig up the math.

    Message: 66995
    Author: $ Roger Mann
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ann/STNG
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 12:23:39

    I like it. It's not the same as the old ST. I think the situation is more
    "realistic". That is the commander of the Starship Enterprise should not
    be beaming down to every two-bit world that has some strange phenomena. The
    situations are less gee-whiz, also. There are real worlds with real
    political problems and situations which call for wisdom on the part of
    Picard. I like it because he is faced with situations that are ambiguous and
    difficult to figure out.

    Message: 66996
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Daryl/IRS
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 18:22:29

      Thanks for noticing, I was beginning to wonder if everyone sided with the
    IRS from the lack of comment.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 66997
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod/animals
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 18:34:38

      So it boils down to your preferring animals because they are all atheists
    and you ignore anything and everything which demonstrates that mankind is a
    more advanced and capable species than those which never rise above their
    natural state in untold generations of life. The dog of today lives the same
    life, and has the same skills as the dog of thousands of years ago. The only
    difference in their lives is that introduced by man.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.
    p.s.(I just bet you wish you were covered with fur when it is over 120
    degrees. Take a look at a dog or cat. They are laying down and panting as
    hard as they can.)

    Message: 66998
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Animals
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 18:37:16

       Is it a contradiction to acknowledge that rights are a product of
    the mind, and yet declare them to be so important and basic to human
    nature that we must fight to keep them unfettered to the greatest
    degree possible? I think not.
       Rights, as I am speaking of them, must be mutually given in order
    to be based in reality. If I grant myself the 'right' to steal and
    kill, and grant you no such 'right', then we have no basis for
    agreement and neither of us will respect any 'right' claimed by the
    other. This will, in effect, leave both of us with no rights.
       An animal that does not have the capability of entering into a
    mutual rights arrangement is much like a human who has demonstrated
    an inability or unwillingness to respect the rights of others. This
    human's rights are reduced, possibly to the point where incarceration
    or death become allowable, because the implied contract from which
    those rights arose has been breached. In a case where the criminal is
    so evil and dangerous that rejoining human society is out of the
    question, the convict still has some protections but they become more
    a  matter of custom than contract. They are determined more by what
    actions other people will tolerate against the criminal than by any
    trait the criminal possesses.

       The treatment of animals is likewise a matter of custom,
    determined by what people will tolerate at a given time. The animal
    is quite unaware if we decide that he is people too and now has some
    degree of rights. It may still violate the rights of everything that
    is its natural prey, or gets in its way, or competes with it for food.
       Animal treatment customs may well change so that animals are no
    longer used as food, clothing, pets, or experimental animals. That is
    certainly a valid area for discussion, but to misname these customs
    of human behavior toward animals as 'rights' possessed by the animals
    is erroneous. If we give the mountain lion the right to go unhunted,
    then we must also give that right to the deer, which means that the
    mountain lions, along with all other predators, will have to be
    incarcerated for life and fed on tofu or soymeal.
       If there are other species sentient enough to knowingly merge into
    our world of rights by agreement, then let us welcome them. If not,
    then let us treat them as well as we can by custom, because it is we
    who must judge ourselves in this area.

    Message: 67000
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rights
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 18:44:35

      The despot who violates the rights which man na{urally req{_uires to live
    as a man and not an animal gives up any claim to rights in doing so. He must
    be resisted by force, which is obvious. The fact that human rights are a
    mutual agreement not to use fraud and coercion against each other in return
    for being free of them does not change the fact that rights have to be
    secured by force when necessary, regardless of what is considered as source.
       See You Later,
          Dean H.

    Message: 67001
    Author: Randy Sanders
    Category: Tales & Tall Stories
    Subject: Mno
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 20:37:08

    'and,...and...' she said, 'so what of It?' she asked Inquiringly
    'You're as dumb as a Dog,' he said, 'and almost as big as a cow, too.'
    on the Raw Score it is only Person to Person.
    Social Disturbance among People, They Say. It happens, They Say.
    well, a Slur. I guess, he said. smelling like a sardine. The two of You have
    more in common than I do.
    well, he said. pulling his own Leg tasting somewhat like a Cod. That's the
    way it Is. First I meet Someone & then Infinity imposes. O well, he said,
    chewing upon a bit of Hamster. It is not all that Bad. sometimes one has to
    do what one must.
    It hasn't been very convincing. not this Lately. What does It take to find
    one's a Friend and a Lover? an Arm and a Leg?
    Maybe it does.
    'Please', .....he drawled along. 'Please', he said. 'Please pass the Salt'.

    Message: 67002
    Author: Randy Sanders
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ed Sheridan
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 20:43:04

    give me a call sometime if You want a Site Plan of your House drawn up.
    I got my CAD up & running. Ask Taylor if she still wants "to do lunch"
    nothing elaborate you know. -randy

    Message: 67003
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mad Max/school
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 20:58:12

            Hell, yes, Jeff, well done! Ich gratuliere! Du hast es gemacht, und
    gut gemacht! You've proved that you have the stuff to do it, so go for it!
    Get that degree, and stand tall and proud, as Clif said.  My very best
    wishes to you.  Wenn wir noch in Deutschland waere, wuerde ich Blumen
    schicken. Das geht aber nicht in Amerika--so, congratulations!!--John C.--

    Message: 67004
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/Man
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 21:13:31

            I'm afraid we're not communicating with the same language, Jeff.
    When I say there is an ESSENTIAL difference between man and beast, I mean
    just that.  You have confused the discussion by stating that there are
    essential differences between any two species, then by denying that when you
    imply that the development of "apethought along its lines" is at a less
    developed stage than "manthought." My position is that the ONLY difference
    between man and ape (or any other animal) is the ability of human reason. If
    a being has that ability, he is human and therefore distinctly, essentially,
    actually, different from the beast. This does not argue superiority or
    kingship or any such thing. It simply marks difference. My position is that
    apes or orangs or chimps will NEVER, and CAN NEVER develop rational thought,
    because they are not human, and rational thought is a mark of humanity. You
    may argue, as did Teilhard de Chardin, that the evolution of ape to human
    was the development of rational thought. This may be, and it fits my
    argument. But apes cannot be people; they can't reason.  --John C.--

    Message: 67005
    Author: $ John Cummings
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Jeff/English
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 21:20:20

            Please re-read Webster, and I recommend the OED as well--the "tween"
    of "between" relates to the old english meaning "two." Your suggestion of
    Meaning Six of your Webster  needs only the comparison: do you prefer, "the
    three men had fifty dollars between them" or "the three men had fifty
    dollars among them'? Or the obverse: between two or among two?  The "more
    general
    meanings of three, four, and six, still do not support a broader meaning of
    the word.

    Message: 67006
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Roger/captains
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 21:38:35

    Yes, but at least Kirk was a man's man.  Who the deuce can respect an
    underweight bald man with a pointed head, running around the galaxy in an
    ill-fitting jumpsuit?

    Message: 67007
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 21:47:06

    No you blithering idiot; the fact that we can compare "apethought" to
    "manthought" in a manner which compares their relative DEGREE of development
    along their own lines, does NOT contradict the contention that there is a
    qualitative, or essential difference between "apethought" and "manthought".

    Your refusal to acknowledge experiment evidence that apes and some other
    animals have the capacity for rational thought, and your even more arbitrary
    and unsupported contention that they will not, and cannot ever develope such
    a capacity, reveals the essential fact that your views in this regard are
    not the result of observation and rational analysis but rather are the
    result of some perverse emotional need.
    Good day.

    Message: 67008
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Cummings/English
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 21:54:41

    You are confusing the meaning of the roots of an English word with the
    meaning of the English word itself.  You seem to hold the OED in high
    regard.  Behold:

    "It [between] is still the only word available to express the relation of a
    thing to many surrounding things severally and individually, *among*
    expressing a relation to them collectively and vaguely."

                                   -- James A.H. Murray in the OED

    Webster's Dictionary of English Usage states:

    "...the unfounded notion that *between* can be used of only two items
    persists, most perniciously, perhaps, in schoolbooks.  The notion has its
    origin in the etymology of *between* -- the *-tween* derives from an Old
    English form related to the Old English word for "two"."

    As I said, if you insist on pedantry, you should at least be correct.

    Message: 67010
    Author: $ Jeff Beck
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Dean/rights
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 22:58:00

    It is not a contradiction to acknowledge that rights are a product of the
    mind and yet declare them important as well as basic to human nature.  The
    contradiction lies in defining rights as existing in reality only when they
    are mutually given, and then asserting that your rights are being trampled
    when someone who denies the validity of these rights violates their
    precepts.  By your definition, rights only exist as the product of a mutual
    agreement; when such an agreement does not exist, then your rights as you
    conceive of them do not exist, by your definition, and therefore as
    a non-entity cannot possibly be violated.  You state that "the despot who
    violates the rights which man naturally requires to live as a man and not as
    an animal gives up any claim to rights in doing so.  He must be resisted by
    force, which is obvious."  You then go on to say that "human rights are a
    mutual agreement not to use fraud and coercion against each other in return
    for being free of them," but in the same sentence assert that rights may be
    "secured" by force.  The despot who does not enter into such a social
    contract, because he never acknowledges the rights you declare, cannot be
    accused of voiding such a contract.  You state that rights must necessarily
    be the result of mutual agreement in order to have real existence.  Very
    well; in the illustration, your rights do not exist because no such
    agreement exists between the involved parties, that is, the despot and you.

    How then, if rights have no real existence without mutual agreement, can you
    speak of natural rights, whether or not such an agreement exists?
    Furthermore, who defines what these natural rights are, that is, what rights
    "man naturally requires?"  You say that you require the right to bear arms
    in order to live like a man; another may insist that arms are uncivilised
    and that only "animals" do violence to one another.  There is no agreement;
    your right to bear arms does not exist.  If you are going to speak of rights
    not as a social contract but as an axiomatic contruct based on self-evident
    moral imperatives, then you no longer have any basis on which to exclude
    animals.  Why should freedom from aggression and exploitation be the
    exclusive domain of one species, when clearly the capacity for rational
    thought, even assuming that we possess it uniquely, is an arbitrary
    criterion irrelavant to the intuitively obvious notion that a being which
    does not use coercion or fraud has the natural right to be free of the same?
    Your analogy between animals and human criminals might be valid if one is
    comparing a tiger with a demonstrated willingness to attack men, with a
    human also demonstrating this willingness.  It fails miserably, however, if
    the animal in question is not a feral despoiler, but a peaceful ape.  Such a
    creature has neither broken the spirit nor (of course) the letter of the law
    against murder. Again, you have failed to address the question of the rights
    of the mad, the young, the idiot, the senile; these individuals may well
    lack the ability to craft or grant the rights you conceive of, or indeed,
    even lack the capacity for abstract thought.

    Message: 67012
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: JEFF BECK
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 23:55:28

    You're cordially invited to partake and place your mind into
    the nearest rational trash can.
    Trash cans are not rational you say.
    Then say so on Zak's film n video. Continue the tradition of
    slavery to grammatical equilibrium and festoon the mood.

    Message: 67013
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Drug Talk
    Subject: I have it
    Date: 06/27/90  Time: 23:56:22

    Quote for today is;

    Assembly language reeks.

    Message: 67014
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/animals
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 00:30:52

    I have this incredible aversion towards gerbils.

    Message: 67014
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dean/animals
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 00:30:52

    I have this incredible aversion towards gerbils.

    Message: 67015
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Animal, humans & etc
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 00:51:37

    The evolution of the species, any species isn't even mid-way.  If evolution
    were complete then we are all in a lot of continued trouble.

    Dean, if jungle lizards are happier than the human animal then I'd rather be
    one.  It seems that the rights of man, at least the majority of them, are
    being taken away.

    A city animal with hair, living outdoors in this desert environment is going
    against nature.  Natural desert dwellers, cacti included have built-in ways
    to remain in the safety zone.  Pets of humans do not exactly belong in this
    environment and those who do, like the coyote, have survived for centuries.

    In fact neither do humans belong in this desert at least not living such as
    we now are.  We are ill prepared to say the least.

    Shave your head and then tell me that hair makes one hot.  Now you know why
    hair covers the back of my neck and my face.   The sun and the heat causes
    human skin to wrinkle, this is true, but where the sun doesn't hit, the
    effects of searing motion is less evident.

    I am being down on the human animal because of all the oil spills, nuclear
    testing, acid rain and other destruction of this planet by man's doing.  We
    do not, DO NOT have the right or any right to violate the rights of other
    animals be they human or any other species under the sun.  -Rod

    Message: 67016
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Mike/AC
    Date: 06/28/90  Time: 00:54:32

    Good solid posts.  We have swamp coolers and big fans.

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