### Apollo BBS Archive - June 16, 1989

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    Message: 185
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: SYSOP Speaks
    Subject: Chris Zagar
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 21:47:36

    Chris Zagar.... Do * NOT * read this post!  Leave this SIG for now!

            Most of the elite Apollo Users know the very important roll that
    Chris Zagar played in the development of Apollo.  With out his help and
    genius in the fine art of trick programing, I doubt Apollo would have lived
    past one year, never mind seven!  Well, Mr Zagar has come a long way from
    when I first met him and is now about to get married in a few months.  I
    believe it will be sometime in mid September.  Let me get to the point...I
    would like Apollo to show him he is remembered by getting him a nice special
    wedding gift from all us main users.  I think I have been able to obtain
    something that I know he will just love and for sure will be a nice reminder
    of his Apollo friends and a rewarding thanks for his hard work and the
    hundreds of hours spent working on Apollo.  This item in mind costs over
    $200.00 (a tad), and I will go it alone if I have to with no ill feelings,
    as Apollo has brought me lots of joy and many fine friends.  All worth a lot
    more to me than a mere two hundred bucks.

            If you would like more info on this, give me a call or post ONLY on
    this SIG!  I am sure if Chris should log in, he will honor my request and
    not read these posts.  (He is so love struck, I doubt he has time to view
    this SIG)
    SYSOP Cliff & Sandy

    Message: 186
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Un-user
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 00:09:22

            I just made Chris an un-user of this SIG... just in case.
    However.... he has the power to over-ride that and make himself a member of
    ANY SIG.  He probably will ask me first why he is not a member of this SIG
    .....  I just had an IDEA!  If we rename this SIG the FEM SIG, Chris would
    not even think of looking!   Hmmmmmmm

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 187
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 04:27:22

    I'll be glad to contribute. Fill me in whenever you get around to it.

    Message: 188
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 07:33:16

    I also will contribute. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 189
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Great!
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 09:04:06

            I just posted this last night and I have already gotten three
    responses, one in mail and two here.  GREAT!

            Can you people think of anyother Apollo users that should be in this
    SIG?  You know, solid Apolloites that might like to share in this venture?

    Cliff

    Message: 190
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gift
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 17:17:27

    I'm willing to contribute, but will be short on cash at least until next
    month.

    Message: 191
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last/James
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 17:32:41

            No hurry here....  We do have plenty of time.  That is why I posted
    a few months early.  But I am pleased you wish to contribute... thanks!

    Cliff

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    The SYSOP intervenes...
    :19thanks Rod....  I just finnished talking to JT  and I am sending him a
    :picture of the gift I have ordered.
    :
    :What kind of gift?
    :
    :A Pewter StarShip Enterprise.. from the Franklin mint.  It is done up real
    :well and is being sponcered by Parramount pictures and it will be signed by
    :Gene Roddenberry (sp).
    :
    :Neat....I assume that Chris is a 'trekkie'.  He will like it then.
    :
    :He is a TREKKIE all the way man...   JT said we should put a brass plaque on
    :the base from Apollo and list the users that contributed...  I like the
    :idea..  as you know, Chris donated hundreds of hours in Apollo!
    :
    :I know.  The base plate is a very good idea.  By the way, if you have
    :trouble spelling Apollo then it is time to quit, (ha-ha).
    :
    :hahhahahaha too much grass tonight...  I am excited over the responce for
    :this gift... I called the Franklin mint in PA to make sure they got my
    :order.    I left hawley mail (he is giving too)  to asdk if he knows anyone
    :who engraves?  do you?  I mean a good engraver....????
    :
    :
    :Not off hand.  What about Nick?  He works in his mom's art gallery and they
    :probably have brass, engraved plates.....but other than that, I don't know.
    :
    :Hey, good idea...  (Nick is giving too)   Nice that the real regulars and
    :long time users who remember Chris are giving...it will mean so much to him!
    :
    :I know.  I'm sure he will love it.
    :
    :I hope so...  at 208.00   he should not get too many of
    :these...hahahhahahahahahahhahahahah
    :
    :
    :Pewter is nice.  We have a pewter plate from the Smithsonian Institute.  It
    :feels and looks good and is long lasting.  Should last through the next
    :nuclear war.
    :
    :yes!!!!   JT was telling me he sent you something... with pictures of him
    :and....    can you send me a copy?
    :
    :Sure, I have it in my copy stack and next time (this weekend) when I fire up
    :the copier I will make one for you.  It is all about JT, Meese and the ACLU.
    : JT won his suit.
    :
    :yes,  that is great!!!!!       I have to go now...super... and thanks for
    :joining in on the great gift...come over and visit me sometimes...and
    :Sandy....  bring  Jasmin if you want... I have cold drugs (pepsi)
    :
    :Okay.....will do.....well, off to the wars, eh!  I'll drop by.  I'll call
    :first.
    :
    :yes...always do that as sometoimes I take off...  bye bye
    :
    :*Bye, bye
    :
    :*
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    Message: 59263
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: Batman
    Date: 06/15/89  Time: 19:04:27

            May I suggest a 'Batman GT' for ALL BBS users to be held on June 24
    or 25th.  Or are too many of you to OLD for such things as a Batman Movie.
    I know Ann is....
                    Besides, she will be playing with her 'Bat Thang'.

    Seriously, anyone interested?

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

    Message: 59264
    Author: James McKern
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann Oudin/59257-8
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 01:40:36

    I'm not going to attack your message.  I merely wanted to point out
    that "their" is a possessive pronoun, and you used it when you
    meant to use "they're", which is a contraction for "they are."
    Also, the aphorism you quoted is very old, far too old for you
    to have coined.  You said: "To coin an old addage (sic)..."
    The verb coin means to create, or to invent.

    Teehee.

    Message: 59265
    Author: James McKern
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Rod/laws
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 01:48:41

    First of all, if the (American) students who started the fire
    were unaware that there were people on the train, at the time the students
    started the fire, the charge for deaths in such a case could not be
    first degree murder.  Most likely, manslaughter would be the charge.  Since
    manslaughter does not carry the death penalty, they could not have been
    legally sentenced to death for such an act.  If, however, they knew that
    there were people on the train, and set a fire with intent to kill, then
    they could be charged with murder, and given the death penalty: just so.
    In any event, there is no comparison between giving the death penalty for an
    act of murder, and giving the death penalty for an act of vandalism carried
    out in the name of political demonstration.  If the Chinese students
    attacked a vehicle out of self defense, then again, there is no comparison.

    Message: 59267
    Author: Paul Carelli
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Holland/R. Williams
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 03:17:45

    Have you ever been to Holland?  I have and I thought it was great.  It is
    amazing how so many "crimes" occur legally and yet the place is so peaceful
    and laid back.  Of course I only stayed a little while and I was viewing the
    place as an outsider (though I tried not to).  I'm not suggesting that they
    don't have problems over there, but they SEEM better off then we are (in
    some matters at least).

    Message: 59268
    Author: Paul Carelli
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Poets and Politics
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 03:22:24

      Why are all of you discussing taxes, education, the situation in china,
    and what's right and wrong when this sort of behavior is just "a token
    gesture which carrie[s] with it no real risk, and which occur[s] long after
    it [can] accomplish anything?"

    Message: 59269
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Maiking petitions
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 06:17:42

    Oops! That should have read mailing petitions, and to the best information I
    got in the petition circulating class I attended it is illegal. The person
    circulating the petition MUST personally witness each and every signature on
    that petition, and must swear to that fact before a notary before the
    petition is acceptable. To do otherwise constitutes fraud.
     Just thoght you might like to know before you goof.

    Message: 59270
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Cliff/China
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 07:31:31

    Rod said it right about them setting a train afire and six people were
    killed. They also beat 21 railway security officials.  900 bags of mail were
    distroyed. They also set fire to police motorcycles. Granted, in this
    country they'd probably get a slap on the wrist for such action - except for
    distroying the mail. For that offence, they'd spend their life in a federal
    prison without parole! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59271
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Entertainment/Movies
    Subject: Cliff/GT
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 07:43:32

    You say I'm too old for a Batman movie GT? - a person that owns such movies
    as Robocop - Godzilla (the original) Godzilla 1985 - King Kong (the
    original) - King Kong lives - Mothra - The Thing - Aliens 1 & 2 - Nightmare
    on Elm Street 1,2,3,4 - Friday the 13th part 1 through 5 - Preditor - The
    Terminator - Ghost Story - Godzilla vs Megalon - Godzilla vs the Sea Monster
    - Buggs Bunny the movie etc. etc. is too old for Batman? How young (at
    heart) do you gotta be? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 59272
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
    Subject: BatMan...
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 14:32:43

            So far no interest?  The signal is being sent.... SOS GT....
    SOS GT....  SOS GT....  SOS GT....  SOS GT....

    (Poof!)

    Message: 59273
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 16:15:55

    How about a "Earth Girls are Easy" GT?

    Message: 59275
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Oudin
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 18:56:53

    Perhaps this point can be made more clearly by way of analogy.  Let us
    suppose you have two married couples.  Ann and Rod, the first couple, have a
    nightmare of a relationship.  There is little affection between them.  They
    fight often, and both have extramarital affairs.  Rod frequently beats Ann,
    and he abuses their children.  The second couple, Kevin and Millie, have
    basically a good relationship.  They are affectionate, enjoy each other's
    company most of the time, but occasionally have arguments and do not always
    meet each other's sexual expectations.  Now, suppose Millie and Ann are
    friends, and Millie hears of Ann's troubles, so she tries to counsel Ann how
    to improve or end her marriage with Rod.  Would you say the two marriages
    are not fundamentally different?  Is Millie doing something wrong because
    she's concerning herself with her friend's marital problems more intently
    than her own?  Is Millie "smug" if she says she loves Kevin and is basically
    satisfied with him despite his imperfections?

    Of course, the answer to all these questions is no.  But these are exactly
    the kinds of arguments you are making with respect to politics.  Because our
    country is imperfect, it is no different from an absolute dictatorship.
    Because our country is imperfect, it is wrong to criticize other countries
    that are absolute dictatorships.  Because our country is imperfect, those of
    us who love it are "smug."

    I think your political views are obscene.  For your husband's sake and
    yours, I hope your attitude toward marriage is not the same.

    Message: 59276
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: James McKern
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 19:26:37

            Perhaps the students were charged with treason.  Treason carries a
    death penalty.  But, I really do not know the facts.  I find it hard to
    believe every last detail, as reported, on the China issue.  For that matter
    it is good to carry a grain of salt around in your pocket.  Recently though,
    I have been scraping it (salt) from my forehead.   -Rod
    P.S.  Thanks for the response.

    Message: 59277
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul Carelli
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 19:30:18

            I am attempting to find out every detail about Holland that I can.
    Today, while talking to a friend who also has been there, he said that
    present day Holland is a model for the world.  The U.S. once was that model
    but we are going to have to help bring about some necessary changes in order
    to regain that position.  It is possible that we can do this and that leaves
    me with a good feeling.  I do not speak Dutch so I will remain here and hope
    for the best.  Thanks   -Rod

    Message: 59278
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 19:32:04

    Thank you for the information on petitions.  I am new at this but am
    learning quick.  Thanks again,  -Rod

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    Message: 430
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 04:15:18

    I have never eaten Texas Chili.  Why are you making up such silly
    statements?

    Message: 431
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 05:39:53

    He should join the human race first.
    =)) OLD FART RALPH ((=

    Message: 432
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ralphy/last
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 07:36:13

    Very good Ralphy. My sentiment exactly. XX OO -=*) ANN (*=-

    P.S. I think THAT insult should win best one of the week!

    Message: 433
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Ans: James msg 430
    Date: 06/16/89  Time: 08:48:40

            I have never eaten Texas Chili either.  Then I assume now that Rod
    must be talking about Ann!

    *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

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