### Apollo BBS Archive - July 28, 1991

    Mail from Melissa Dee
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 20:33:34

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    Yeah, pretty weird.  I thought he did a nice job with children's show but
    now, there ain't no way in hell they'll keep his show.  What actually
    happened anyway?  I mean, from what I've heard, he was in an adult movie
    place and was "exposed".  It's not like he was hurting anyone.
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     1It is said that Pee Wee exposed his pee wee.  I don't know.  I can't make a
     2:value judgement on this.
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    Mail from Steve Albany
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 23:44:02

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            Welp, we're off to Tucson.. Here's our address & phone number:

                      2000 E. Roger Rd, Apt E39
                      Tucson, Az 85719
                      (602) 795-8669

            Pass it on to Randy & Dean as well.. Ciao!

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    Message: 7693
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann on Me
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 06:51:07

    "I don't profess to know how old the earth is, but I'll bet Daryl is wrong!"

    Rule One: Never bet on anything less than a sure thing.

    Rule Two: Always keep your mind open if you are going to be a supporter of
              free-thinking.

    If I were to give to you evidence that could prove, or at least strongly
    suggest, a young earth, what evidence would you be willing to accept?

    Message: 7694
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Mike / Mt. St. Helen
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 06:56:10

    Have you ever seen the video, "Mt. St. Helens - Evidence for Catastrophe?"
    Within it, they show a canyon that was dug out as a result of catastrophic
    conditions.  In short, a canyon that is 1/40th the size of the Grand Canyon
    was cut out in one day.  And it has all the geologic characteristics that
    you find in the rock layers at the Grand Canyon.  If one did not know the
    real age of this mini-canyon and went in to gauge it's age, they would say
    that it took several hundreds of thousands to a few million years to create.

    Daryl ("Everytime an evolutionist looks at a wombat, I think God smiles
            because I think He made it just for them.")

    Message: 7695
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Dean / Erosion Etc.
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 06:59:19

    "If the earth is only 6000 years old was there some purpose in creating it
    with OBVIOUS SIGNS of MILLIONS OF YEARS of eriosion, earthquakes, sediment
    buildup, and volcanic activity?"

    Excuse me, Dean, were you there?  And if not, then how can you suggest that
    the "evidence" that the erosion, earthquakes, etc. are OBVIOUS SIGNS of a
    millions-of-years-old earth?

    Message: 7696
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gordon / Drs.
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 07:02:17

        The tapes are certainly available for you to borrow.  I think you will
    find their presentations to be very interesting.  PS: I just got another set
    of 11 lecture tapes (total 12 hours of viewing) [THAT HAVE NO COPY
    RESTRICTION PLACED UPON THEM, MJ] that I have yet to make copies of.  Those
    will be available to you soon, also.  This series consists of six speakers.

    Message: 7697
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog/Evidence
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 07:03:59

        Does that mean that you have proof that the earth is millions of years
    old?

        No that just means that you have volcanoes and evidence of earthquakes.

    Message: 7698
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gordon / 1,000,000+
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 07:15:45

    "But who can deny the evidence of simple and easy-to-understand mechanical
    things like millions of years of erosion?"

    Because it is not evidence of millions of years of erosion.

    Fossils and rock layers exist in the present.  We do not have the past, and
    therefore can not PROVE anything about the age of the earth.  None of us
    were there.  Whether the belief is in a young earth, or in an old earth, the
    entire matter boils down to one's belief system.

    Some theistic evolutionists prefer to use data provided by evolutionist
    scientists (who are for the most part atheists), and use that data to
    reinterpret Genesis 1-11, and in doing so, they are attempting to tell God
    what He MEANT to say.

    Evolutionists and Creationists have the same scientific data.  It all
    depends upon what that scientist's belief structure is (be it the religion
    of creation/Judeo-Christianity, or in the religion of evolution/atheism/
    agnosticism).  I have seen both sides of the coin, having been brainwashed
    by evolutionary thought in high school, and then struggling with the concept
    of God as a result; and then seeing how well the idea of Plan/Purpose/Design
    can be supported and IS supported.

    Message: 7699
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/LISTEN!
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 07:23:46

    Listen listen listen. "You mean to tell me that the creationists believe tha
    God created a perfect world complete with a record that it's millions of
    years old, when it really isn't and they actually believe this?"

    You mean to tell me that you believe that the world evolved over millions of
    years based solely upon the opinion of a lot of men who don't know
    everything who weren't there, and therefore cannot prove THING ONE about the
    age of the world?

    The "record" does not PROVE anything.

    "...and they actually believe this?"

    Message: 7700
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: what he *meant*
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 07:46:54

    Daryl, I don't know why you have such trouble with the bible-believing
    evolutionists.  After all, you've many times told us what God *meant* to say
    in the bible.

    Message: 7701
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:28:54

    Re: your --- if I were to give to you evidence that could prove, or at least
    strongly suggest, a young earth .....?

    You do me a disservice when you imply I have not already heard a young earth
    theory. Not only have I heard many, I also believed it for a long time.
    So I do not feel that I have a closed mind because I do not believe it now.
    And I think that the people that do believe it are trying to justify the
    Bible and it can't be done in the face of all the evidence that says the
    earth is millions of years old! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7702
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:34:55

    A.O.> "I don't profess to know how old the earth is, but I'll bet Daryl is
    wrong!"
    D.W.> "Rule one: Never bet on anything less that a sure thing."
    OK - I bet a million dollars then!
    D.W.> "Rule two: Always keep your mind open if your are going to be a
    supporter of free-thinking".
    Of course, you think you are a free-thinker because you think the earth is
    young, right? hahhahahaahahaha - Opps! There go those macros again!
                                 *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7703
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl on evolution
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:49:51

    I believe science DarylYou weren't there when the Bible was created either
    and you believe in it don't you. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 7704
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Daryl
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:45:33

    Yes, I'd be interested to see the tapes.  I can also make copies to view at
    leisure, so I wouldn't have to keep them all that long.  So how do I get
    them?

    Message: 7705
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Beau Dog
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:15:06

        But tell me where I have ever directly contradicted Scripture.

        You can't, as a Christian, be a Bible-Believer and a Theistic
    Evolutionist, for once you accept the concept of Theistic Evolution, you
    cease believing in the Bible, for it says that God created the world in six
    days.  The Hebrew word "yom" can mean day or it can mean a long undetermined
    period of time.  BUT!  If the word "yom" is used along with a number (as in
    "first 'YOM'," as it is in Genesis) then it can only be understood to mean
    one literal day.  Furthermore, the words "evening and morning" along with
    "first day, second day, &c." further insists the interpretation of YOM here
    to mean a literal 24-hour day.  I almost feel as if the creation account was
    written as if God were spelling it out to those He knew would come later,
    questioning His creative process.

         Furthermore, in the Bible, God says, (paraphrase) 'I worked for six
    days and rested one, you do the same.'  He did not HAVE to take six days to
    create the world.  But He did, and He tells us that as He worked six days
    and rested one, we are to do this also.  He did not say to work six "million
    years" and rest one "million years."

    Message: 7706
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:21:46

         You say that you already have "heard a young earth theory," actually
    several.  But how many of them USED the scientific record to show just how
    much SENSE it makes?

         You say that the validity of the Bible cannot "be done in the face of
    all the evidence that says the earth is millions of years old."

         Ann, I ask you to provide for me one piece of this so-called evidence
    that can prove, in a manner that NO CREATION SCIENTIST could effectively
    refute, that the earth is millions of years old.  I expect that you will not
    find a single one.  We cannot prove the earth is millions of years old
    because we live in the present, not in the past.  We do not dig up dinosaurs
    that exist "millions" of years ago; we dig up dead dinosaur bones that exist
    today.  Evolution is a religion, because evolution relies on pure blind
    faith (and a lot of doctoring of the evidence to prop up that faith -- such
    as Brontosaurus, Nebraska Man, Java Man, Peking Man, "Lucy," etc., etc.).

         I'm sorry, Ann, but IMHO, I feel you have been duped into worshiping at
    the altar of evolution.  It's just a faith and nothing more.

    Message: 7707
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:29:05

         No, I don't claim to be a free-thinker, at least not in the sense that
    you and Rod espouse (and fail to practice what you preach).  I claim to be a
    person who has come to the knowledge of God.  I have my own ideas and
    opinions, but I subject those ideas and opinions to God's word, the Bible,
    when it is necessary to do so.

         I used to be what you call a free-thinker.  I really wasn't, but in
    your terminology, I was.  Nobody is really a free-thinker.  Everyone has
    their own personal beliefs and pet dogmas.  I would suspect that the truest
    form of "free-thinker" would sway like a reed at every opinion that
    presented itself.  This "free-thinker" would have no firm convictions of his
    own, and would therefore have no basis to take a stand on anything.  He
    would have to agree with everyone, and disagree when compelled to do so.  In
    other words, a weak-kneed, non-self-thinking, wimp.

         Even among the meekest persons I know, I know no one that fits into
    this category of "free-thinker."  Everyone's thinking is in bondage to those
    things which they already believe.

    Message: 7708
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:41:01

         You cannot even equate the Bible with rocks and trees and fossils.  Did
    the Bible EVOLVE?  Or was it CREATED?  Was there a big cosmic explosion in a
    Scribe's shop some 2,000 years ago that caused ink and papyrus to come
    together to form words?

         I believe the Bible is true because I believe that it supports itself
    and is supported by what we find around us in the world.  I believe the
    words in the Bible are from Someone Who was there and does know everything.

         You believe that scientists are true, although they have nothing but
    their own opinions as a benchmark by which they must believe and practice
    and attempt to fit all the scientific evidence into.  For example,
    evolutionists have been searching for years to find the supposed connection
    between apes and man.  What have they found?  Nothing.  What do they label
    it?  "MISSING!"  You see, even though they have not found it (and I believe
    they never will) and have no evidence whatsoever that this "link" even DOES
    exist, they MUST label it missing, for their dogma SAYS that apes evolved
    into humans.  They have no evidence, so they have to label the LACK of
    evidence as MISSING evidence, and accept it by blind faith.

         Read "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis," written BY evolutionists.

    Message: 7709
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Gordon / Tapes
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:42:51

        Just leave me your phone number in mail (unless it is in the White
    Pages), or get my number from the White Pages (I need to re-enter it and
    will try to remember to do it today.)

    Message: 7710
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Entertainment
    Subject: "Creation Scientist"
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 13:00:24

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Message: 7711
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 14:40:52

    What do you find so funny?  Evolution is not science, evolution is belief.

    Message: 7713
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 16:33:01

    Why do you have to spout pseudoscience to be a Christian?  Why can't you
    just believe God could do whatever He wanted to make it appear however He
    wanted instead of coming up with these elaborate rationalizations that only
    other Christians (and not even most of THEM) would take seriously?

    Message: 7715
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Michael James
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 01:37:39

    Thou haste made a valid observation in your last post....although you have
    mentioned it before, somewhere around 1985.

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    Message: 4943
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Quickie
    Subject: Pee-Wee's Adventure
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 18:44:08

    Anyone else catch the picture of Paul Rueben's in the paper?  I don't know
    why he told people who he was.  You never would have guess.

    And does anyone know what happened?  I mean, I assume from the vauge
    coverage that he was watching a "dirty" movie, wanted a release, and when he
    exposed himself, was arrested.  Does anyone else know more?

    So sad.  I thought he really did a nice job with his children's shows.  They
    are already off the air, as well as Disney pulling all his videos from
    sales.

    Message: 4944
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: last
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 23:50:28

    Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.  Personally, I don't think he was hurting anyone,
    so who should care?

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     1:     Who should care??? Every God fearin', flag lovin' red blooded American
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    Message: 4945
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: mos-Chatter
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 01:40:15

         Who should care??? Every God fearin', flag lovin' red blooded American
    parent. That's who!

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    Message: 1739
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: movie/last
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 11:04:58

    I haven't seen it, but I've seen a couple messages on Apollo suggesting that
    it's pretty good.

    Message: 1740
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: LAST
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:36:59

    I must have missed those messages, Michael.  Have they scrolled yet?

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    Message: 1911
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Does Sandy ever get
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 17:46:12

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    Message: 1911
    Author: $ Wild Barbarian
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Does Sandy ever get
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 17:46:12

    to go to Marvale Sam.????? My roommate works as a unit Sec't in the
    emergency room there, usual 12 pm to 12 am.......

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    Message: 77226
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: PeeWee Herman
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 05:26:41

     If he was looking for an excuse to stop doing the character, he sure fond
    one! Another career down the drain for the sake of lust and convenience. Oh
    well, I never cared much for him anyway.

    Message: 77227
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bill on mail
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:11:52

    Thank you very much for the (ahem) information. I will run down and get that
    magazine today!! (caugh) *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 77228
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Doggy on Reubens
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:15:21

    Re: your ... "Perhaps he was looking for an excuse to stop doing the
    character?"

    Well he sure succeeded in stopping that! I mean - like RIGHT now!
                               *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 77229
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thad on Porn
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:19:16

    Re: your ... Getting turned on in itself is not necessarily evil -- but
    violence, murder, burning buildings and small children are what turn on some
    people"

    HUH? What has any of that got to do with being turned on sexually?
                                *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 77230
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 09:22:51

    Re: your .... "what about sheep?" --- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Message: 77231
    Author: June Walters
    Category: Joke
    Subject: polish people
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 17:04:21

    A polish girl goes up to her father and says, "Papa, papa, I'm pregnant!"
    Her father responds, "Are you sure It's yours?"
    Ha Ha.

    Message: 77232
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Porn
    Date: 07/29/91  Time: 18:09:32

      You might be amazed at the things that turn some people on sexually...
    Rape is certainly a crime of violence, but for many (if not all) those
    who commit it, the violence and the sense of power are part of what turns
    them on...  I don't know all the motives of child molesters, but there is
    certainly a sexual component somewhere... I don't know that murder turns
    some people on, but warfare, combat, or other forms of physical danger are
    reported to have that effect on some, and there is ample evidence to
    suggest that pornography encourages the fantasies which inspire these kinds
    of behavior.

    Message: 77233
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Beau/Holy Grail
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:48:04

    Yes, this was a good thumbnail sketch of the thesis presented by the book.
    There are so many different topics and suppositions in there that I thought
    it best to look at the Gospel part separately.  It's a long, long trail from
    Rennes-le-Chateau to Jerusalem.  (And thanks for the book recommendation!)

    The "Holy Grail" (San Graal) was explained as a kind of pun on "Blood Royal"
    -- "Sang Real".

    I'm often skeptical of conspiracy stories, and in the book I found parallels
    with something I'd seen before that put me in a more skeptical mood.  The
    "something I'd seen before" was Stephen Knight's theory of the identity of
    Jack the Ripper, which you and Roger Mann may remember reading on Multics.
    (I always want to call him "Stephen *King*"!  Knight, king, what the heck.)

    Henry Lincoln, the instigator of the Grail project, is a television
    documentary writer for the BBC.  So was Stephen Knight.  Both books were
    about secret societies, conspiracies and coverups by prominent people.
    Freemasonry appeared in both books.  Both of them centered around the secret
    marriage of an extremely prominent person, and the issue of that marriage.
    And to support both theories, a fair amount of evidence was adduced from
    subjective interpretations of alleged symbolism in paintings and so forth.

    The parallels are suggestive only.  If it looks a bit like a wooden decoy
    duck, it doesn't necessarily have to be one.  It might be a real duck.

    Message: 77234
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Beau (2/2)
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:49:02

    And in fact Lincoln and his associates, while they've tackled a much bigger
    subject, have also done a great deal more research and amassed a lot more
    evidence -- unlike Stephen Knight, who started with one man's word-of-mouth
    story (which was retracted some years later), and only presented the
    evidence that showed it *might* have been true, while he carefully ignored
    other evidence proving that it wasn't.

    The idea that Jesus had a bloodline -- or that there might be a secret
    society of people who believe that he did -- seems more within the bounds of
    credibility, certainly far less absurd, than the notion of Queen Victoria's
    personal physician ganging up with a well-known painter and gallivanting
    around London in a coach carving up prostitutes.  Whatever the truth of the
    matter, Lincoln et al did come up with a very interesting book.

    Rennes-le-Chateau is a whole subject in itself, independent of any Biblical
    suppositions, Knights Templar, Knights Arthurian, Freemasons, Rosicrucians,
    Priories of Sion or whatever.  After the Holy Grail business, Henry Lincoln
    investigated the coded information on what were said to be copies of the
    documents that the priest discovered in the church at Rennes-le-Chateau.  He
    found that along with other messages, they presented a set of geometric
    patterns.  Further investigation showed that dozens of structures for miles
    around, some of them very ancient, seem to have been deliberately located to
    form gigantic five- and six-pointed stars and other figures.  He theorizes
    that this might be an enormous "temple" dating perhaps from Neolithic times.

    Message: 77235
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Roger Lantern???
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:49:32

    To complement this reference, I should mention that "Green Man" is a very
    common name for pubs in England.

    Message: 77236
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thad/carpenter
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:50:51

    Thanks for the info about the carpenter reference.  I didn't look far enough
    forward in the Gospels, and I was handicapped by having to hunt blindly.

    Somewhere, I have a large Bible with a concordance at the back.  OK, it
    isn't quite Cruden's, but at least it's halfway decent for looking up
    references.  We do have other Bibles around, but the big one unfortunately
    disappeared at the time of our move, and we haven't found it yet.

    "The Big Bible" belongs in a larger category of Things that Mysteriously
    Disappeared in the Move and Haven't Been Found Yet.  To begin with, this
    list was naturally quite long.  Inevitably it shrank as Things were found in
    hidden boxes and various odd and unlikely places.

    The cause of this confusion was partly the fact that we're cluttered people
    anyway, and partly the very disorganized way that Things were packed by the
    movers.  Our previous house was a split-entry, with the kitchen, living- and
    dining-rooms and bedrooms on the top floor and a garage, den, family room,
    utilities and another room on the lower floor.  Unfortunately the packers
    did a sloppy job of labeling some of the boxes, especially from the lower
    floor.  The boxes had pre-printed lines to be checked off if something came
    from the "living room", "master bedroom", "boys' bedroom", "bathroom" etc.
    (only *one* bathroom?), but it didn't have a line for "family room",
    "utility room", "den" and so forth.  So half the stuff from the lower floor
    ended up being labeled "basement" -- even if it came from the garage.

    Message: 77237
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thad/Things (contd.)
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:51:53

    In one respect I'm not complaining at all: we had almost zero breakage.  But
    we still had to sort all this mess out.  It wasn't helped by the fact that
    the packers seemed to have put very unlikely combinations of things together
    from different rooms into the same box.  Thus we found knives and forks
    packed with blankets, shoes with screwdrivers, papers with perfume and
    photographs, speakers with ski poles, and bath towels with brass bugles.  If
    you opened up a box and saw, say, Toilet Tissue on the top, you could never
    guarantee it came from the bathroom.  You had to go all the way down to the
    bottom, where you might find Telephones, Tinsel, and a Toaster on the way.
    And you could *never* rely on the "contents" label.

    As our List of Lost Things shrank, there were certain Things that remained
    stubbornly at the bottom of it and refused to be found.  These Things became
    almost legendary in our house: the China Dolls, the Caulking Gun, and the
    Trampoline Legs for example.  (We *had* the Trampoline.  We just couldn't
    find the Legs.)  I joked to Jane that I was missing two "Bibles": the big
    one and my "Inside Macintosh".  But the latter turned up recently.

    One of the most persistent was the Light Bulbs.  Jane swore up and down that
    we couldn't possibly have missed them in our search, that the movers must
    have thrown them out because they were too difficult to pack safely.  But
    these too turned up a couple of months ago.  In view of this track record, I
    have every hope ("faith"?) that the Big Bible is there somewhere.  It's the
    only Thing left on the list.  The only Thing we can remember, that is...

    Message: 77238
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Mark
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:52:43

     TC>>I would be interested in your evidence that part of Mark was
     TC>>deliberately suppressed, though.

    Apparently there are several versions of Mark around.  Scholars argue over
    whether the last few verses (Mark 16:9-20) containing the Resurrection were
    actually written by Mark or not, because they are absent from several early
    manuscripts.  In other versions, a different, shorter ending is substituted.
    One widely held view is that verses 9-20 are a later addition, but that
    isn't entirely convincing because if you omit those verses, the Gospel comes
    to a very abrupt and unsatisfactory end.  At any rate, several manuscripts
    show clearly that editors have been at work.

    The evidence that part of Mark was *deliberately* suppressed is in a letter
    from Bishop Clement of Alexandria which was found in a monastery near
    Jerusalem in 1958.  It was quoted by Lincoln et al, complete with the actual
    text that had been suppressed, and a lot of background and motivation.  It's
    a bit long, so I can't post it now; I'll try to do it tomorrow.

    Message: 77239
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/faith
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:53:56

    Thanks for your comments, Paul.

    I guess the thing that puzzles me is how to define the precise boundaries of
    what people have faith *in*.  What I mean is this.  It's possible to believe
    that Scripture is perfect, and all of it is 100% accurate.  But in order for
    Scripture to be transmitted to us accurately, we also have to trust that
    ordinary human beings have done a number of things reliably.  These include
    accurate printing (and even that goes wrong sometimes; I can point to a typo
    or two in at least one Bible I have, admittedly quite trivial ones, but
    there have been notorious errors, including one printer in 1631 who missed a
    word from the Seventh Commandment and listed it as "Thou shalt commit
    adultery".  Charles II ordered all 1,000 copies of the book recalled, and
    the printers were fined three thousand pounds, a ruinous sum in those days.)

    Much more to the point, we have to depend on early copyists getting
    Scripture right (and they didn't always do it the same: different versions
    of the Gospel of Mark are known, for example).  And those of us who don't
    read Greek and Hebrew have to depend on other men translating Scripture
    correctly.  This isn't necessarily a trivial matter.  There are arguments
    over whether the Hebrew in Isaiah 7:14 means "a *virgin* shall conceive", or
    simply "a *young woman* shall conceive".  Do we know that we ourselves
    interpret the words "correctly"?  How much do we rely on what the people
    around us say that Scripture is *supposed* to mean?  Jehovah's Witnesses for
    example hold that blood transfusions are wrong, based on one Biblical verse.

    Message: 77240
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul/faith (2/2)
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 02:54:46

    If we say that all of Scripture is correct, perhaps the worst problem of all
    is sorting out its own inconsistencies.  How for example do we decide
    whether the genealogy of Joseph given in Matthew 1 is correct, or the one in
    Luke 3?  Surely they can't both be correct?

    It's true on the other hand that if we read through Scripture, a strong
    series of central messages appear.  And when these messages seem to conflict
    in significant ways, it's possible to find methods of reconciling them: as
    long as we treat them in a general sort of way, allowing for a bit of
    allegory here, some fuzziness around the edges there, and more than a few
    errors.  But in order to do that, we have to factor in general knowledge,
    history, background, interpretation and so forth.  I don't think that doing
    that negates the idea of "faith" at all.  But I'd have to say that "faith"
    in what *is* true is a more generalized thing covering a great deal more
    than just the words we read in our particular translation of Scripture.

    Message: 77242
    Author: Mark Adkins
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Paul Savage
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 04:39:09

    PS>> "...all we really need is Scripture and faith to explain Scripture."

    First of all, how do you determine what is scripture and what is not?  There
    are only about ten jillion versions of the Bible, and even if you could get
    everyone (Catholics, charismatics, Methodists, etc...) to agree on one
    particular *wording* there still remains the problem of interpretation.  Who
    determines what to take literally, what to take as a metaphor, the meaning
    of symbols, the lessons of stories, the precedence of verse (i.e., New
    Testament over Old, and so forth), and similar problems?  It is simply not
    possible NOT to interpret the Bible because, in a very trivial sense,
    typographic symbols are meaningless until they are assigned meaning, and in
    a less trivial sense, collections of typographic symbols (words, sentences,
    paragraphs, fables, entire Books of the Bible, the Bible as a whole) must
    also be given interpretation, on variety of levels whose importance is
    mutually determined.

    It's very well for you, Paul Savage, to say that *your* particular
    interpretation is THE correct one, because you are "inspired by the Holy
    Spirit."  But of course, many others say the same thing, some of whom you
    would probably call Christians, and yet their interpretation is not yours.

    Message: 77243
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Annie/porn
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 05:42:27

     I've got a problem Annie. Help me understand why you, as a woman who
    seemingly has it all together when it comes to equality and justice for
    women, can have such an accepting attitude when it comes to pornography. In
    the light of the fact that virtually every pornographic movie, book,
    magazine or whatever panders strictly to the gratification of the male at
    the expense of the modestly, privacy and respect of the female, and succeeds
    in degrading and humiliating the female by placing her in a submissive
    position to the often animalistic behaviour of the male, I just don't see
    the consistency in your attitudes. Could you please explain your acceptance,
    or at least indifference to this stuff?

    Message: 77244
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Gordon on Man
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 05:46:36

     Interesting aside there, Gordon, except for the fact that, in Apollo PC
    thinking, that shold read Green Mann, not Green Man. Just a subtle little
    difference.

    Message: 77245
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Gordon/Mark
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 05:55:28

     I, too, have heard about the possibility that Mark's Gospel had some
    additional verses added.
     I am satisfied, though, that the God who hung the world and all the stars
    on nothing (check Job), and who created all that in them is, would not have
    too much of a problem maintaining the integrity of His Word through a few
    translations. I grannt that some of the Bible must be taken by faith as
    opposed to complete (?) understanding (since we will never have complete
    understanding in this life), and am more than willing to do just that,
    without researching every little jot and tittle. I believe that confusion
    enters the picture when we stop reading God's Word and begin reading all
    sorts of opinions by various authors who think they have an inside track on
    what God really meant by this or that.

    Message: 77246
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Gordon/faith
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 06:01:45

    "Faith" is, I suppose, different things to different folks, depending upon
    the depth of the one defining it. I would, however, point out the Biblical
    definition, found, (I think) in Hebrews, with an aside from Romans.
    "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
    seen." So, according to God, faith is a very real, concrete thing, It is
    both substance and evidence, not some ethereal, debatable nonentity.
     Alsom the aside (at least I think it's from Romans. If I took the time to
    look it up, the system would hang up on me). "Without faith, it is
    impossible to please God".

    Message: 77247
    Author: $ Paul Savage
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Mark Adkins
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 06:10:01

    (Nice of you to show up once in a while, Mark)
     I have a belief, probably a very personal one, that God speaks to each and
    every one of us through His Word, the Bible. By that I mean simply that if
    I look at the Bible as God's love letter to me, His child, and read it with
    prayer, He will open the eyes of my understanding and speak a very personal
    message to me. That message may well not be exactly the same one He gives to
    you, or to another, since to each it is a very personal letter, one intended
    for my (or your) eyes only.
     In the light of this, I am willing to allow that some others may have a
    different interpretation of the words contained in some portions of
    Scripture, since they read it also as a personal letter. I'm sure that God,
    in all His wisdom, allows for these differences in interpretation (as
    opposed to contradictions in His Word), and will straighten out whatever
    needs straightening out, when we stand before Him one of these days, as we
    all will,some for reward, some for judgement.

    Message: 77248
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Pauley - answer
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 08:00:00

    To clarify my stance - I believe porn should be for both men and women - NOT
    just aimed at the men.

    Re: your... ".. and succeeds in degrading and humiliating the female by
    placing her in a submissive position."

    Not that I have seen a whole lot of porn  - what I have seen did not do that
    in the least!

    Not that it is considered porn - when we had the Playboy channel, it was
    just the opposite - the women kept 'love slaves' of the men!

    I realize that porn also consists of child explotation, rape, violence etc.
    some of the time. But the people that this appeals to is much in the
    minority and I cannot see banning all porn because of a few warped
    individuals! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

    Message: 77249
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod / Wasting Tears
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:48:29

         Yup-yup.  Desert life, water conservation and all, ya know.  I at least
    have to make up SOMEHOW for my dripping faucet in the kitchen.

    Message: 77250
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod on Christianity
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 09:58:21

    If everyone became a Christian tomorrow, then there would not need to be
    a fraction of the prisons we have today.  Lawyers would not be necessary.
    Murder would be at a near nil.  Mothers would not kill their young.  Racism
    would not exist.  We would not be up to our armpits in personal and national
    debt.  We would be able to walk down any street at night.  Suicide would not
    exist.  Crack babies wouldn't be crack babies.  Sickos like the one in
    Wisconsin would be unheard of.  Neighbors would help neighbors.  There would
    be no unlisted telephone numbers because there would be no obscene phone
    calls.  Gangs would not exist, at least not in the sense of the Crips,
    Bloods, and the Mafia, i.e. criminal gangs.

    You're right.  We certainly wouldn't want that.  If we all became
    Christians, then we couldn't watch Donahue or Hard Copy.

    Message: 77251
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Ann on Mike
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 10:04:51

         Stop quoting the Bible to support your views, Ann.  Practice what you
    preach.

    Message: 77252
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Rod
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 10:06:11

         I never pass up any of Rod's messages.  I read what he has to say.  And
    I feel pretty much the same way about Rod that he feels about me.  Is that
    fair, or what?

    Message: 77253
    Author: $ Daryl Westfall
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann on Me
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 10:15:19

         Thank you for the compliment on my post.  That was certainly a
    surprise.

         However, in the arena of my beliefs, I feel that is pointless to argue.
     If you don't think that my beliefs hold any water whatsoever, then that is
    your opinion and you are most certainly welcome to have it.

         But if Christians are right, and if that Last Day comes, then please do
    not place the blame on anyone but yourself.  I believe that Christianity is
    a point worth pondering, even to someone who has rejected it in the past,
    for I feel that the reason that most people leave the faith is because they
    don't get their questions answered.  And when they don't, and they leave,
    they get "answers" from people who are not Christians.  And in getting those
    "answers" and believing them, they conclude that Christianity did not have
    the real answers anyway.  And it was not because it doesn't, but because
    those whom they came in contact with were not prepared to give answers.  I
    just wish that every non-Christian or former Christian could look at the
    faith with new eyes, and talk with someone who really knows what he
    believes.  I guess that's just wishful thinking on my part, just as much so
    as Rod wishing that Christianity would be wiped from the face of the earth.
    Wishes are just that; wishes.  Christianity will still be here after Rod is
    long gone, and there will always be those that will scoff and mock it.  But
    dreams always keep hope alive in one's heart, regardless of their motives.

    Message: 77254
    Author: $ Bill Burkett
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: And the winner is...
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 10:43:28

            I am pleased to announce the winner of the 1991 Bill Burkett Apollo
    Foundation grant, Thad Coons.

    Mr. Coons seems to be full of baloney, but he's conducting himself well and
    that's all that counts.

    Congratulations, Thad.  Here's hoping you give your new-found $tatus a good
    workout!

    Set 'im up, Cliff.

    Message: 77255
    Author: $ Michael James
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Free Kitten
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 13:05:57

    I already have three adult cats, so I have to give away the cute adoreable
    playful affectionate HOUSEBROKEN calico kitten that my housemate brought
    home.  She's really adoreable, but I don't get to see my own cats anymore
    because she chases them around the house when they come in.  Please adopt
    her, she loves people.

    Message: 77256
    Author: $ Melissa Dee
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Wheeewwww
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 19:00:28

    I finally caught up after being backlogged for about a week!
    Ann, what was the name of the magazine Bill suggested?  Paul- not all
    pornography is degrading, violent, etc.  I strive to show loving couples
    that respect each other in MY stories, however I'm sure you take your big
    red stamp marked "SEX" and block out the whole page...
    Mike Carter on women...Gordon seemed to handle that one pretty well.  I only
    have one question:  what does your wife think of all this?  I had always
    thought she was sort of feminist actually (judging a book by it's cover, of
    course, but that's all I had to go on) since she doesn't use make-up, I
    usually see her in jeans, she joins you with the shooting activities.  Does
    she mind when you call her girl?
    OH, the Pee-Wee stuff.  I asked some questions on the COS sig since I hadn't
    seen anything on here (until after I posted on COS, of course).

    Message: 77257
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Reference...
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 20:22:53

      I 'cheated' on the reference to Jesus being a carpenter's son...
    They came from a footnote in "Jesus the Christ", by James E. Talmage
    (a 'Mormon' author). I did look them up first myself, though.

    Message: 77258
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: War!
    Subject: Porn
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 20:39:09

      Be thankful you haven't seen much of it. One of the problems that I see
    with pornography is its effect on the young.. those who have reached the abe
    age of puberty and are becoming sexually aware.. and curious. Their
    experiences at this time have a strong influence on their ideas and behavior
    later on. Just reading about sex (or seeing pictures..or whatever) has a
    stimulating effect (a 'turn on', if you will), and since the human sex drive
    is more or less continuous and powerful, this stimulus can become addicting.
      Those who continue to indulge find that it becomes 'tame', and go for ever
    bigger, better, or more perverse thrills. Pornography has a tendency to warp
    individuals and create the type of people that the 'violent' stuff appeals
    to: that is what is wrong with it.

    Message: 77259
    Author: Thad Coons
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Foundation grant
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 20:47:28

       Gee, thanks!
    I mean that in both senses, of course. I do appreciate it and will
    try to continue making intelligent posts and avoid being nasty to people...
      Full of baloney... What did I say???

    Message: 77260
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: War!
    Subject: Prectical Peripheral
    Date: 07/30/91  Time: 21:41:58

    Great. This is the first modem I have owned in a little over 8 years
    that has gone bad. First the speaker went dead on it, no real biggie
    except I had already replaced it once after taking it back..the second
    one's speaker died as well. Now, I am happy to say the analog circuit
    is on its way out. It';s printing messages like it was drunk. Slurred
    worrrrdsss apppearr eeeverywheere.
    Take my advice, ***NEVER*** buy anything made by PRACTICAL PERIPHERALS.
    Not one, but two and not just my two either.
    Buyer beware.

    Message: 77261
    Author: $ Peter Petrisko
    Category: Question?
    Subject: THAD
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:40:50

         You seem to know the ins and outs in regards to porn.  The various
    genres and effects, and so on and so forth.  How do you know so much about
    porn?  Lots of reading, or.....?
         Well, the latest issue of "Nekkid Babes on a Meat Hook" just arrived in
    the mail so I must be getting off.  Apollo, that is.

    Message: 77262
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Gospel (1/5)
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:49:29

    The following is a translation of passages from a letter found in 1958 by
    Professor Morton Smith, of Columbia University, in a monastery near
    Jerusalem.  The letter is from Saint Clement, one of the early church
    bishops who led the catechetical school in Alexandria in the last two
    decades of the second century.  It was written to a follower of his named
    Theodore, who had been criticizing a sect called the Carpocratians who
    flourished in Alexandria at that time.  In the letter, Clement quotes a
    passage from a "secret" Gospel of Mark that is not known from any other
    version.

         You did well in silencing the unspeakable teachings of the
         Carpocratians.  For these are the "wandering stars" referred to in the
         prophecy, who wander from the narrow road of the commandments into a
         boundless abyss of the carnal and bodily sins.  For, priding themselves
         in knowledge, as they say, "of the deep [things] of Satan," they do not
         know that they are casting themselves away into "the nether world of
         the darkness" of falsity, and, boasting that they are free, they have
         become slaves of servile desires.  Such [men] are to be opposed in all
         ways and altogether.  For, even if they should say something true, one
         who loves the truth should not, even so, agree with them.  For not all
         true [things] are the truth, nor should that truth which [merely] seems
         true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth, that
         according to the faith.

    Message: 77263
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Gospel (2/5)
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:50:34

         [As for] Mark then, during Peter's stay in Rome he wrote [an account
         of] the Lord's doings, not however, declaring all [of them], nor yet
         hinting at the secret [ones], but selecting those he thought most
         useful for increasing the faith of those who were being instructed.
         But when Peter died as a martyr, Mark came over to Alexandria, bringing
         both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he transferred to his
         former book the things suitable to whatever makes for progress towards
         knowledge [gnosis].  [Thus] he composed a more spiritual Gospel for the
         use of those who were being perfected.  Nevertheless, he yet did not
         divulge the things not to be uttered, nor did he write down the
         hierophantic teaching of the Lord, but to the stories already written
         he added yet others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which
         he knew the interpretation would, as a mystagogue, lead the hearers
         into the innermost sanctuary of that truth hidden by seven [veils].
         Thus, in sum, he prearranged matters, neither grudgingly nor
         incautiously, in my opinion, and, dying, he left his composition to the
         church in Alexandria, where it even yet is most carefully guarded,
         being read only to those who are being initiated into the great
         mysteries.

    Message: 77264
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Gospel (3/5)
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:51:34

         But since the foul demons are always devising destruction for the race
         of men, Carpocrates, instructed by them and using deceitful arts, so
         enslaved a certain presbyter of the church in Alexandria that he got
         from him a copy of the secret Gospel, which he both interpreted
         according to his blasphemous and carnal doctrine and, moreover,
         polluted, mixing with the spotless and holy words utterly shameless
         lies.

         To them [the Carpocratians], therefore, as I said above, one must never
         give way, nor, when they put forward their falsifications, should one
         concede that the secret Gospel is by Mark, but should even deny it on
         oath.  For "not all true [things] are to be said to all men."

         To you, therefore, I shall not hesitate to answer the [questions] you
         have asked, refuting the falsifications by the very words of the
         Gospel.  For example, after "And they were in the road going up to
         Jerusalem," and what follows, until "After three days he shall arise,"
         [the secret Gospel] brings the following [material] word for word:

    Message: 77265
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Gospel (4/5)
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:52:57

         "And they come into Bethany, and a certain woman, whose brother had
         died, was there.  And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and
         says to him, "Son of David, have mercy on me."  But the disciples
         rebuked her.  And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the
         garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from
         the tomb.  And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of
         the tomb.  And straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched
         forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand.  But the youth,
         looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be
         with him.  And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the
         youth, for he was rich.  And after six days, Jesus told him what to do
         and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over
         [his] naked [body].  And he remained with him that night, for Jesus
         taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God.  And thence arising, he
         returned to the other side of the Jordan."

    The Carpocratians were a sect who believed in the experience of every kind
    of fleshly pleasure in order to attain transcendence of the senses.
    Clement's specific motivation in keeping secret this particular passage from
    Mark is very clear.  It's easy to see what meaning the Carpocratians would
    read into it.  In reality it doesn't have to bear any sexual meaning at all.
    Morton Smith himself, a researcher into "magical" practices, saw it as a
    description of a typical mystery school initiation -- a ritualized symbolic
    death and rebirth that was common in the Middle East at the time.

    Message: 77266
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Thad/Gospel (5/5)
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:54:37

    The incident clearly refers to the raising of Lazarus from the dead, which
    is otherwise described only in the Gospel of John -- and rather differently.
    If in fact this incident was just a ritual, then no "miracle" was involved.

    Clement of Alexandria was revered as a saint in the early centuries of
    Christianity.  By the end of the Middle Ages, however, the Church had
    clearly changed its mind about him, and Pope Sixtus V revoked his
    "sainthood" in 1586.  (This wasn't the same Sixtus who built the Sistine
    Chapel, but his namesake of a century later.)  Apparently some of Clement's
    own views had come to be regarded as heretical by that time.  But whatever
    his own beliefs were, Clement of Alexandria clearly lived by the precept
    that "what you don't Gno can't hurt you".

    Message: 77267
    Author: $ Gordon Little
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Paul
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 00:55:07

    Speaking of Gnowing things, I thought your comments to Mark reflected quite
    a Gnostic view.  But I certainly can't argue with that.

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    Message: 77268
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: DARYL
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 01:56:20

    Re: "If we all became Christians tomorrow..."

         If we all became Christians tomorrow we would kill each other off
    within a week.  All in the name of God, of course.
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    Message: 77269
    Author: $ Rod Williams
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    Subject: Mark
    Date: 07/31/91  Time: 02:00:37

    Hi Mark, I see you can't keep away from trying to educate those Christians.

    It's a freaky world.

                                    Rod
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