### Apollo BBS Archive - April 30, 1988

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    Message: 51975
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: LAST COUPLE
    Date: 04/29/88  Time: 22:17:50

    I don't see how that can be legal.

    Message: 51976
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Question?
    Subject: KFYI
    Date: 04/29/88  Time: 23:36:33

    What exactly are the details of this?

    Message: 51977
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: For sale
    Subject: Old computers
    Date: 04/29/88  Time: 23:37:40

    TRS-80 Model 4, 128K, 2 disk drives, Hayes Smartmodem 300, printer cable,
    and lots of software.  $500 or best offer.

    Apple ][, 48K, Applesoft card, disk controller, non-functional disk drive.
    $250 or best offer.

    Message: 51978
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Details/KFYI
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:54:17

    Details are a bit hard to come by. Only a temporary restraining order was
    issued.  Arguments to make it permanent are yet to be held.  There will be
    an extreme miscarriage if it is made permanent.  I can hardly see why the
    judge agreed to issue a temporary order.  I'm sorry, it would appear that
    I've left my copy of today's paper at work.

    Rev. Beau
    (or is that Yesterday's Paper?)

    Message: 51979
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod Williams
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 01:41:07

    In response to our earlier 'exchange':

    Although I may be a very positive person, I can hardly overlook the misery
    and suffering abounding around the world.  I believe that we can agree on
    this point.

    Where we will find our greatest differences is in the means to bring that
    suffering to an end.  I would tend to take the 'hands-off', laisse-fair
    approach, allowing some of the misery to 'naturally' work itself out of this
    world, through societal forces, WITHOUT undue government influence.

    As I understand it, you see the government as both an evil (it is by its
    very definition, a necessary evil [as relates to the U.S. government]), as
    well as a force that could 'fix' these hardships.

    This is obviously where we differ (if I have understood you correctly, so
    far).

    The government's (undue) influence has a tendency to worsen many problems,
    rather than solve them permanently.  Governments tend to be slightly out of
    touch with the actual needs, and by their nature tend to devote a lot of
    resources toward satisfying special interests (pork-barreling).  This is
    bad.  Government, as I see it, should confine its role to only doing those
    things, and providing those services, that individuals themselves cannot....

    Message: 51980
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ...continued...
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 01:45:40

    These items include the national defense, a judicial (sp?) system, and law
    enforcement.  Just about everything else can be better provided by an openly
    competitive market society (playing by generally fair rules, enforced by the
    above named systems).

    That's it.

    Although the above could be considered 'twaddle', and even though I have
    drifted from my original intent (NOTE:  <-- pun), I hope I have made myself
    clear.

    Oh well...

    Michael Kielsky

    Message: 51981
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 03:52:48

    I'll give you $10 for all the hardware you mentioned.

    Message: 51982
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 08:28:41

    I'll give you $11 for all the hardware you mentioned.

    Message: 51983
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 09:31:49

    Give me $50 and I'll take all of the hardware you mentioned.

    Rev. Beau

    Message: 51984
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley/Oudin/Dog
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 11:21:23

    Shut up, you wise-asses.

    Message: 51985
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Kielsky
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 11:21:36

    The correct spelling is "laissez faire."

    Message: 51986
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reality Club
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 13:25:37

      We are fond of labeling recent, large, adaptive, expanding
    populations of mammals as "evolutionarily advanced."  We
    tend to think of rapid change and aggressive patterns of
    reproduction, recent evolutionary appearance and large size
    as advancement.  Yet we could claim, even by these same
    criteria, that machines are even more evolutionarily
    advanced than the large mammals.  They change form at a far
    more rapid rate than any animals: witness the automobile,
    the telephone, the photocopier, and the personal computer.
    Machines, as a group, are able to survive more extreme
    environments than are people and other mammals.  Mammals,
    for example, unless they have evolved for millions of years
    in watery environments, cannot survive under water without
    submarines.  Submarines, on the other hand, manage very well
    beneath the sea, managed by remote control machines at the
    surface.  Machines have penetrated space and remained there
    far longer than people have.  The two Viking Landers,
    launched in 1975 and now stripped of their autopoiesis,
    still decorate the stark surface of Mars.  In many
    localities the rate of machine growth, taken together, far
    exceeds the rate of human growth.  In general, generation
    time for machines is far shorter than that for people.
    Machines outperform people in information functions such as
    arithmetic and printing.  Machines have a greater range of

    Message: 51987
    Author: Apro Poet
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Reality Club
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 13:31:02

    mechanical energy at their disposal, such as nuclear fusion,
    combustion, and photovoltaic power.
      That machines apparently depend on us for their
    construction and maintenance does not seem to be a serious
    argument against their capacity to evolve.  In the future we
    may program machines to program and reproduce themselves
    even more independently from us - at present machines
    evolve - using autopoietic us as an integral part of their
    evolutionary mechanism.

    Message: 51988
    Author: Michael Kielsky
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Laissez Faire
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 15:28:55

    Thanks.  I was just too tired (lazy) to go look it up, or to try to figure
    out the spelling, otherwise.

    Oh well.

    Message: 51989
    Author: $ Mike Carter
    Category: Hard/Software
    Subject: Falcon problems
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 15:47:12

    In regards to my last message about the F-16 simulator package by
    Spectrum Holobyte:

    Anyone using the ATI Graphics Solution card and who has a copy of any
    software that performs a cold boot seemingly at random parts without
    any reason or direction from user input should be aware that the
    ATI card has numerous differences in direct (non-msdos calls) for
    video screen graphics. The new version of FALCON apparently takes this
    into consideration and relieves the problem.

    Message: 51990
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Taranto
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 16:53:09

    Shut up you pimple faced, textbook punk.

    Message: 51991
    Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/hardware
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 17:21:49

    I'll give you $20 for all the hardware, and to sweeten the deal I'll give
    you the $5 you say I owe you because I allegedly told you I'd pay for a
    movie if you didn't enjoy it.

    Message: 51992
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: last
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 19:41:46

    Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten all about that $5.  Pay up.  What movie was it,
    anyway?

    Message: 51993
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: JT/Spelling
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 21:19:14

    One usually sees it as "laissez-faire" with the hyphen...

    (If you advertise toy computers here, you should know what to expect)

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     1:        Donate the stuff to a museum (or a school).
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     1:        Believe it or not, I agree with you.  Government is necessary for
     2:lines of supply, communication and defense.
     3:        In any large group there is a need for some of the people to
     4:organize these things however the government we now have is way out of line.
     5:        To be a basically good citizen and be afraid of your own government
     6:means it is time to speak out.
     7:        Yes, evolution will eventually change civilization around because we
     8:learn from our mistakes but an individual who writes a story, composes a
     9:song or a poem, paints a picture, directs a movie has an excellent chance to
    10:make this world evolve that much faster.
    11:        Whatever rate we evolve is normal but where would we now be if Mark
    12:Twain or the Beatles had never stepped forward, if they had decided not to
    13:go public?  There are many people who fit this bill and by keeping quiet,
    14:yes the world will still continue changing but perhaps jsut not as fast.
    15:        I guess you could say I was in a hurry to have a good time.  Why
    16:settle for an bleak existance when it is possible to have a grand one?
    17:        If my body was taken from this world right this instant, I couldn't
    18:miss it.  It would be like me missing a dull toothache.  However, I have a
    19:total of nine children in this world, not to mention that everyone is in
    20:fact, related to each other, so whatever I can do to spped things up, I will
    21:and after that my flesh can go to the worms for food.
    22:                                Rod
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     1:        It seems that the people who are opposing Tom Leykis' being taken
     2:off the air are being served with 'cease and desist orders.  If you want to
     3:find out more, get on Tom Leykis' BBS, 602-944-6397, it is ALL there.  You
     4:do have to wait a day for validation.
     5:        Tom, as you may know, is an outspoken person of the atheist
     6:persuasion.  Since his forced retirement (with pay) form KFYI, a group was
     7:started by several people, calling themselves Friends Of Tom Leykis.  This
     8:group posted on Tom's BBS, for all to see, names, addresses and phone
     9:numbers of every sponsor of KFYI plus the names of the owners and
    10:management, calling for a boycott and letter writing and phone calls and
    11:then set up a picket that would have taken place 5/4/88 at 12 noon.
    12:        After being 'served' the group tried to get in touch with Louis
    13:Rhodes, ACLU and he was out, they then tried to get in touch with the main
    14:director with no success (this was two days ago).  I was told by the local
    15:chapter of the American Atheists they are now planning a picket in several
    16:weeks.
    17:                                        Rod
    18:P.S.  First Amendment City, eh?
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    Message: 1313
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: ann/wild man
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:16:21

    Your description of Rod was perfect!

    He's gotta quit eating that stuff.

    Carol->

    Message: 1314
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: David Burkhart
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:17:55

    You just burst another bubble!  If he didn't do the programming and was
    lousy at it, then that leaves nothing about him to be admired.

       Gads!   I am free at last!!!!!

    carol->

    Message: 1315
    Author: $ Beauregard Dog
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Dinner/Rod
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 00:56:37

    If I come, do  I have to work for my meal?  I'm not very entertaining.

    Message: 1316
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 03:54:26

    Just wear your CIA shirt.

    Message: 1317
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Carol
    Date: 04/30/88  Time: 08:35:34

    No, NO - not Rod! Ed Sharpe! That's spelled S.H.A.R.P.E. =*--ANN--*=

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     1:What stuff must I quit eating?
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     1:        That's simple, just bring some oranges or bowling pins or fire
     2:torches or watermellons or three chainsaws.  You have to figure out what to
     3:do with them.
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