### Apollo BBS Archive - April 29, 1989

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    Rod...
            When you read the posts....  THINK!!!!!!  Part is truth with a
    little hype for excitment and a few colorful metaphors thrown to get people
    excited.

            And to make sure you understand the truth part... I do believe there
    is loads of PROOF there is a God...  Therefore I am NOT an AGNOSTIC.  The
    term Agnostic was developed for the people that would say "I just do not
    know if there is a God or not"...  Christians do not fall under this or any
    other religion in which they believe in a God.  You have your meaning of the
    word crossed up.

    [R]eread or [C]ontinue:Continue

    Mail from James Taranto
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 16:12:19

    Who is Charles Williams?
    [A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

    Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
     1:        I am Charles Williams.  My parents named me Charles and then always
     2:referred to me as Rodney.  Later I dropped the 'ney'.  When I entered the
     3:First Grade I was called Charles by my Teacher, Mrs. Propst, room 101.  I
     4:cried and when I went home I told my mom that I was being called by a name
     5:that I did not recognize.  She wrote a note and then I was called Rodney.
     6:        Hope this answers your question.
     7:
     8:I save our discussions when you phone from Washington but tonight when I was
     9:going to re-read and save the text, Courtney unplugged my computer.  Do you
    10:think that God had anything to do with this?
    11:                        -Rod

    Apollo Underground Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 144
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Sig
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 18:47:03

            Boy, looks like you all are REALLY digging deep
    to find something to talk about.

    Message: 145
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 19:15:58

            They may have to dig deeper soon....

    Message: 146
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: DIG
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:13:24

            I have a shovel.  What say we go shovel some BS off the main board?

    The outer COSmos Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 3059
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Rod/last
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:21:13

    I third that! Uhhh - what did he say? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 3060
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer !
    Subject: Ann
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 20:08:37

    Zak-

    I think Ann is talking about the one she got 6 months ago.  She thinks that
    since you have been away to school that you don't know about it.

    Message: 3061
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Who-dun-it
    Subject: THANG
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:14:34

            See how innocent Zak plays.  That guy is a natural actor.

    Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 58399
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Thornburg
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:28:54

    I said I would rather spend eternity in the Lake of Fire than be impaled on
    a ski pole.  I did not say that, therefore, I was going to go out and impale
    myself on a ski pole in order to escape the Lake.

    Message: 58400
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:49:22

    People who believe in an other God than my own are not agnostic you fool.
    I posted the definition of agnostic... you can't read or you would have seen
    it is not how you understand the word to mean.  But then with your brain
    burnt out on hard drugs, I understand your stupidity.

            As for you turning in your BLUE $tatus, there ain't no anchor tied
    to your @$$ holding you here.  I figured if you were insulted a little like
    you dish it out to the Christians... you would put your tail between
    your legs and run...  Frankly I don't give a flying #^(% one way or another.

    Cliff

    Message: 58401
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Religion
    Subject: God from other parts
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:54:55

            The God in other parts of the world is the same God in most cases.
    The proof there is one is all over the world and in the Bible.  But only a
    fool like you would take all the proof in a negative way.  If you choose not
    to believe...fine with me.... but why the hate to others that choose?
    Answer that!!!

            Cliff

    Take sentence one Rod...  There is a God!
    Take sentence two Rod...  I believe there is PROOF!
            There by and therefore.... how can you call me an AGNOSTIC?
    Take sentence four Rod...  I don't care if you believe or not (meaning I am
    not pushing my religion on you)
    Take the last question Rod... You push your crapola on everyone who is a
    Christian... Why?

    Message: 58402
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/shooting
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 07:48:59

    Don't worry - I don't think Ralphy can shoot very stright! Now, Sandy is
    another story ..............

    Message: 58403
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Bob/truth
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:18:22

    Did I ever tell you that I like your posts? Also, I like the way you form
    them - Quoting the person first and then answering. Very good.
    I did want to comment about you statement - 'Truth is truth and false is
    false'! Personally, my point is - I don't think there is such a thing! Truth
    to Jane Doe isn't the same to Joe Blow - ditto John Doe and Jane Blow! Even
    among the different Christian religions there are questions on what is truth
    even though they basically believe in the Bible, but inturpret it
    differently. I.E. is a Morman's belief's more truth than a Catholics? Yes, I
    believe that JIm Jones was the epitomy of evil, but to his followers, he was
    'the Truth' see? I think he was false, but that doesn't make it particually
    so, only to me! Individually, we all must choose what is true & false for
    us. We cannot condemn others for their interprutation (sp). I think the same
    thing applies to 'right & wrong' too - but with one exception, if it hurts
    someone else, then it is wrong. But I still say, there is no truth or false.
    Comment? -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58404
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Question?
    Subject: Cliff
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:29:15

    Was Apollo down for awhile this morning? I called several times and got no
    answer - Ralph said the same thing. -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 58405
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Ann on Down Time
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:38:49

            Yes, I turned Apollo off yesterday late evening when I saw the
    system had not been used for six straight hours.  Why waste electricity?
    Sandy turned it on at 7:30 this morning.   I am looking to reduce operating
    hours since the system lately has gone for hours between callers.
    How about from 10am to 10pm for on line time.... That way it gives the
    aging hardware and SYSOPs some rest.
            It was sure quiet in the computer room for a change....  I enjoyed
    the silence.  I am looking forward to Apollo's retirement and with some user
    trying to tell me what I believe and don't believe, that may not come soon
    enough!

    Cliffy
            (a good night sleep sure changes things)

    Message: 58406
    Author: Jim Nichols
    Category: Bulletins
    Subject: Philosophy
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 13:27:32

    The night is dark and the Moose wanders far from its home.*

    Message: 58408
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 20:19:01

    What do you expect when you turn off the computer for a few hours?

    This whole argument centers around everyone not being able to handle
    criticism of their faiths (or lack of).  You people are too stressed out.
    Give it a rest.

    Message: 58409
    Author: $ James Taranto
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: So...
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 20:57:59

    Anyone want to talk abortion?

    Message: 58410
    Author: $ Carol Graham
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: ann/death
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 22:57:15

    I think the problem with death is that it seems to be associated with
    suffering and sickness. If one could only just go to sleep and wake up in
    another dimension - then what's to fear?

    I always feared death because of that - even as a Christian. Now I am so
    certain that death is merely an extension of living that I no longer fear
    it. I think there are many, many, instances where it would be far worse to
    have to continue living than it would be to die.

    Thanks for the interesting discussion...

    Carol->

    Message: 58411
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Ann/58403
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:16:49

            Well stated.

    Message: 58412
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Hawley/58408
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:18:23

            Good message.

    Message: 58413
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Subject:
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:21:20

            Today I sat down and wrote what I believe will help an ailing world.
    The next four message bases are for your pleasure or criticism.  Enjoy or
    hate, what can I say.  Tis how I believe..  -Rod

    Message: 58414
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:22:08

                      TROUBLE IN PARADISE by Rod Williams

         Admittedly, our little world is screwed up.  I have a special
    theory that explains why this is so and I know you are just dying for
    me to clarify it for you.  So I will.

         I will specifically talk about this nation but every major country
    in this world has the same type of obstacle.

         It is quite evident that our problems begin with our youth.
    When a youngster develops a bad attitude at an early age, it is often
    carried into the later years.

         When a child is given illogical answers by a figure of
    authority, whether it be a parent, teacher or whoever, confusion
    develops.  It has been noted that children from a scientific background
    acquire fewer emotional problems in later years than those from a
    religious one.  The children of ministers will often develop serious
    problems early in life, whereas those from a scientifically educated
    environment fare much better.
    next

    Message: 58415
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth 2
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:22:55

          When children are given 'fairy-tale' answers, by authority, to
    questions of a serious nature, the young persons mind is bent and may
    remain that way for life.  When a child is told that there is a special
    place of eternal torment for those who do not believe in this person,
    Jesus, their little minds, if one had x-ray vision, could be seen to
    sizzle.  Thus they are introduced to a false scenario of life that
    defies all reasoning.  The more dense or susceptible the youth, the
    more it will affect decisions in later life.  To those who are the
    questioning type, they soon realize that what authority is telling them
    is unreasonable and they have little choice but to become non-
    conformists.

         Most children are started out in life by being made to believe
    there is a Santa Clause, Easter Bunny and a Deity.  It is only
    reasonable to believe that once a child finds out that they were lied
    to about the first two entities I mentioned, it stands to reason that
    the person will raise some serious doubts in their minds about the
    existence of the third named entity.  After all, when a child learns to
    reason, they can see no more logic to a person who watches over us,
    punishing some, rewarding others than a fat jerk who can somehow manage
    to fit down a fireplace even though they don't have one.  Or an bunny
    rabbit that delivers eggs and other assorted gifts.  Or a person that
    is called God that demands belief in a son of his that died for
    everyone's sins.  Ridiculous.

    Message: 58416
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth 3
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:23:39

         Starting kids out in this fashion is damaging to the mind, to
    say the least.  Starting life out with a big lie has no doubt caused
    the people of this world to undergo more pain and turmoil than would
    have been if only scientific data was passed around.  Minds are made
    wishy- washy by this information.  This is a wishy-washy world.

         Kids are even taught by their ministers that so and so church, a
    few blocks down the street, does not teach the TRUE message.  Even
    though that other church is Christian, even though the members look
    the same, even though they are basically the same in every way, they are
    not learning the true meaning and are subject to hell, fire and
    brimstone for their efforts.  THIS KIND OF NONSENSE IS A LARGE PART OF
    WHAT IS WRONG IN PARADISE.

         Religion is not necessary.  The true fact that all are related
    to each other and that we are on a fragile spaceship which we call
    Earth would be helpful.  If this and only this was told to the young,
    our world today would be so much better off.
    next

    Message: 58417
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: In search of
    Subject: Truth/last
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:24:14

         But no, everyone has to have their Deity.  They have to feel
    that they know of the true one, and most others do not know.  It's
    sick, if you ask me and until it changes, all I see for this place is
    some sort of nuclear holocaust.  Yes, nuclear holocaust.  Why?  Because
    even this is taught that it must come to pass in order for good things
    to take place.  This is ignorance, pure and simple.  But what can one
    expect from a species that is still fairly new?  Truth I hope.  It's
    about time for it.  Lies have not worked.   -Rod

    Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

    Message: 303
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rod
    Date: 04/28/89  Time: 18:56:12

            Rod is a hatefull bloody fag.....

    Brain dead AssHole!
            How many times have I told you there is proof of God all around you?
    If I believe that there is Proof... how the fuck can you think I am agnostic
    ?   I have told you this many times...  your brain is faulty as you can't
    remember.  Read the meaning of the word agnostic..... and read it with an
    open mind...  Forget that... you can't open a dead mind.

            I also knew you would "Cry and say you might give up your Blue
    $tatus"... fine, you can't take one fifth of what you dish out. (Note: you
    have been calling us Christian "brain dead assholes" for years in one form
    or another.)
            If you do forsake your Blue $tatus, I will wipe it off the disk of
    Apollo in a second..... and redo all my backups to make sure it is destroyd.
    Look in my eye.... do you see any tears?   Fuck No!
            However if you want to play the game.... then keep your blubbering
    about $tatus to yourself, and talk the issue or issues.....  And read the
    [R]ules about NOT demeaning other users.

    Sorry you don't like my posts... thats too fucking bad..... asshole!

    Cliff

    Message: 304
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Folks ...
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:23:35

    ... do you get the impression that Cliff is mad at Rod? Hmmm ... just a
    hunch! -=*) ANN (*=-

    Message: 305
    Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last...
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 08:43:58

            Just "WORDS" Ann.....  And you know "WORDS" can't hurt anyone, now
    can they?   It's just a matter of what order you place them in to get a
    meaning across.  With some it takes more colorful metaphors than others.

    Naaa, If Rod were here right now, I would probably hug him....
    (Does hugging tightly around the neck count?)

    Cliffart

    Message: 306
    Author: $ James Hawley
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Last few
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 20:20:45

    Rod offers to give up his blue $tatus as much as Cliff threatens to take
    Apollo down.  What will happen will happen.  Don't worry, be happy.

    Message: 307
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Shit-Chat
    Subject: Cliffy
    Date: 04/29/89  Time: 23:28:39

            Fuck you, dip shit.  By the way, if words do not hurt then how'se
    about me calling you a.......BIG FUCKING, A-G-N-O-S-T-I-C fag.  Huh?

            Well, gotta go, it's almost time for my next heroin fix.  Hmmm, boy
    it is really good when it is mixed with crack.

                                    R-O-D