### Apollo BBS Archive - September 3, 1988

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    Message: 4117
    Author: $ Ralph Blehm
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Message 4105
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 07:11:17

    Rod Williams
    The world is not illiterate, only the pepole in it Like J T

    Message: 4118
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Rents
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 08:19:39

    I still ask "what is the matter with building a mall, setting the rent
    standard (be it high, med. or low) and collecting that rent? Of course the
    landlords have a right to charge what they want and take a profit cut, but
    in my opinion, that's leeching off of others. Here is an example - If
    someone rents a stall at a mall at lower rents to get started and the
    landlord takes a cut of the profits - when the business grows very
    profitable, when does it stop? If it never stops, then said landlord can
    grow prosperous, pay for the mall and sit back and live off of other's
    sweat! Even big corporations pay a salery. I repeat - landlords are business
    investors - they can win or lose the game. Why should they ask their tenants
    to risk with them?

    Message: 4119
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Chit-Chat
    Subject: Ann/last
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 09:24:45

    Annie...There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that you won't make it,
    financially.  And that's the free economy working.

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     1:        You said, "free", what is free?
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    Message: 1932
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy/pool cleaner
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 08:21:48

    Yeah - he IS a work of art alright! (Drool) =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

    Message: 1933
    Author: $ Todd Reese
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Sandy
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 08:52:02

    Nice, quiet, conservative Sandy...  a mother, wife, and life-long friend of
    Mr. Winters...  yet she leads a double life of chasing pool cleaners.

    Tsk tsk tsk.

    Message: 1934
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: Pool Cleaners
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 09:27:23

    Ann..Sandy..
       Have you considered Kreey-Krauly?  You can put him away when you're not
    in the mood!

    Message: 1935
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Question ?
    Subject: Mr. K.K.
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 12:47:29

            What is a Kreey-Krauly?

    Message: 1936
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Cosmos-Chatter
    Subject: James
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 12:48:24

            I already asked Cliff to put a swimming pool in the back yard.

    He's thinking about it .......... hehehe

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     1:        I really don't have the answer either.  Is it anything like a Creepy
     2:Crawler?
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    Message: 54009
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Gary/your posts
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 08:00:50

    Those were very good Gary. Our system is the best - now, if we could just
    get away from all those plastic, grinning, baby kissing, born rich,
    un-known, down the line, old men politicians that we have to choose from,
    that all act like they took a course in the 'Method Acting' school! I guess
    being born rich doesn't have too much to do with it - but would like to see
    a middle class working person in there at least ONCE in a while! =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54010
    Author: $ Ann Oudin
    Category: Politics
    Subject: News today!
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 08:06:36

    A quote from the Repulsive! "Vice-presidential candidate Dan Quayle has a
    marginally elevated cholestrol level, a minor skin condition caused by
    exposure to the sun and allergy-related nasal problems, a doctor's report
    released by Quayle's office said friday".
    Man - lets get rid of this sicko! He's not fit to be vice-president, much
    less president! With this kind of health record, I'll bet he's hiding
    Hemroids! (He's sitting on them!) =*--ANN--*=

    Message: 54011
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Distribution:
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 09:16:39

    To one point:  I don't believe that the function of government should be the
    distribution of resources, either, but so long as extremists on both the
    left and the right continue to think that government should involve itself
    in the distribution of my resources, I will support whatever political
    functionaries exist who want to distribute it my way!

    As to the election of "12 popular people" to form an oligarchy to govern the
    country, sorry, guy:  you know that an elephant is a mouse designed by a
    committee.  I happen to have spent several years on the board of directors
    of a retirement complex owned by a mutual benefit fraternity.  All board
    members were elected to that body by popular acclaim.  After three years on
    the board, I was instrumental in forming a political action arm to cause the
    requirement of basic, minimum qualifications for anyone who will be involved
    in the policy making and running of a million dollar non profit corporation.

    Now isn't that what our government should be?  A body of people involved in
    the running of a multibillion dollar entity?

    Ann-  Yes, the media has caused us to have all these plastic political
    yo-yos running for office.  Inagine a man like Dukakis calling himself a
    democrat.  Millionaire Liberal is an oxymoron for sure!  The only real
    political troops this country has seen this century have been Harry (Give
    'em hell) Truman, and Barry Goldwater.  All the rest were smarmy a$$ kissers

    Message: 54012
    Author: $ Gary Jones
    Category: Politics
    Subject: more!
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 09:21:58

    All the rest of those A.K.'s have been elected by popular vote, rather than
    by qualifications.  I can just see a government composed of bimbos and hunks
    elected by popular acclaim making intelligent decisions about the country.
    Read some political satire once in a while.  Especially classical satire
    like Animal Farm or Gulliver's Travels.  Safire writes great commentary on
    what the popular press has done to this country.  Popular elections!  Har,
    har, har, har, har, har, har, har,etc.  Sometimes it hurts when you laugh!
                                                     Gary

    Message: 54013
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Gary
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 11:59:29

            I am talking about a group of men and women sitting around a table
    and discussing issues on national television.  Whatever was decided by them
    would be subject to the approval of congress.  Twelve heads are better than
    one when it comes to debate.  The nation could tune in to the 'process' and
    actively take a part by voicing their opinion through a 1-900 VOTE number.
    It would only cost 50 cents to vote.
            In this way no one could much complain because the majority voted.
    The way it is now leaves me kinda sick because our national leaders have a
    closed door policy (for all practical purposes).  Nixon would never have
    been able to pull (ha) off Watergate and Reagan, North, et al would have
    been discovered on the Contra affair at its inception.
            If a member of the (12) presidents council wanted to step down, the
    replacement would then be the next person on the list with the next higher
    number of votes.  Same for a death or an impeacement.  Of course, with the
    nation watching, the chaff would be taken from the grain in short order as
    this process could be done by popular vote, easily.  1-900-VOTER.
            In any case, what I am trying to accomplish is to allow a government
    of the people, by the people, for the people, not a government by the big
    wigs, as it is now.
            Our political system needs overhauled.

            Have a good laugh, I have read Gullivers Travels and Animal Farm and
    I still do not see the problem you mentioned, all I see is a better way.
            Let the light shine in on the activities of this country.    Rod

    Message: 54014
    Author: $ Dean Hathaway
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Gary Jones
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 14:55:44

      As long as everyone supports a concept of government as all powerful
    provider and just tries to manipulate it to their own advantage, there can
    be no real freedom. Government does not produce anything, it prevents and
    steals production. When government distributes to one it steals from
    another. A government which existed solely to protect the rights of its
    citizens to be free from any threat would not need policy makers because it
    would have no power or need to change policies.
      See You Later,
        Dean H.

    Message: 54015
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Answer!
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 16:42:35

        That sort of Darwinian "survival of the fittest" libertarian environment
    would work, but it would violate some ethical principles that most people
    hold.  For example, take the case of an oversupply of labor, and the absence
    of any government programs (welfare, minimum wage, etc.).  Wages would fall
    to the point where it would be impossible to live on the prevailing wage.
    People would die due to lack of food, shelter, and/or medical care.  That
    would reduce the supply of labor, pushing wages higher.  For this system to
    work, of course, we'd have to get rid of our morals regarding human life.
        Or take the example of pollution.  It is not profitable to protect the
    environment from irreversable damage, particularly when the damage may be
    felt ten years or more from now.  Therefore, lacking government regualtions,
    there is no reason for a company not to pollute.

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    Message: 54016
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Districts
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 16:48:07

            For state representative and senator, I'm in district 20 (currently
    Sen. Lela Alston

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     1:        If salaries fell to a low point, wouldn't landlords, food stores,
     2:etc. have to reduce their prices as well as the producers?
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    Message: 54016
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Politics
    Subject: Districts
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 16:48:07

            For state representative and senator, I'm in district 20 (currently
    Sen. Lela Alston-D, Rep. Debbie McCune-D, Rep. Bobby Raymond-D).  For US
    representative, I'm in district 4.
            The Republican candidate for senator is Ted Humes (bleah!), and the
    candate for representative is Georia Hargan (who I haven't heard of).

         /
     /  *  /  Alan
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    Message: 54017
    Author: $ Alan Hamilton
    Category: Religion
    Subject: Second comming
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 16:56:27

       I have heard that some preacher is now saying that the second comming of
    Christ will be on September 14th.  My question to the religious folks out
    ther is, if this is true, will it mess up my vacation that I'm taking a few
    days later?  Among the disasters Revelations predicts, is the closing of
    Disneyland one of them?

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    Message: 54018
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Chit Chat
    Subject: Alan/labor
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 17:50:33

            If salaries fell to a low point, wouldn't landlords, food stores,
    etc. have to reduce their prices as well as the producers?

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     1:        With the rapture, since you are an atheist, you should be able to
     2:get into Disneyland free as most folks will have been taken 'home'.  This
     3:act will certainaly clear up the automotive and airplane smog problems in
     4:this world.
     5:        If you are planning to move, postpone it until after that date as
     6:it will then be a 'renters market'.
     7:* - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod
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     1:        I, along with so many others have learned a lot from the Mecham
     2:Impeachment Hearings.  We now know so much more about our representatives.
     3:This is one of the reasons I am in favor of televising our presidents while
     4:they are at work.
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    Message: 187
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Mighty SYSOPs
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 12:45:26

            AAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Message: 186
    Author: $ Rod Williams
    Category: Hawley Crock Smith
    Subject: Okay
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 00:42:19

            Cliff and Sandy, the both of you are agnostics.

            Is that what you meant, Hawley?
    * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod

    Message: 187
    Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
    Category: Mighty SYSOPs
    Subject: Last
    Date: 09/03/88  Time: 12:45:26

            AAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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