From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:40:47
Message Number  8001

Reagan increased the deficit he "inherited" from 2 billion dollars to
2 *TRILLION* dollars.  Despite what Reagan would like you to believe,
that can't be blamed on previous administrations.  If he was so great
at running things, he would have at least levelled off the sucker.
 
While Carter killed a few defense programs, at least one of which he
shouldn't have (the B-1), he hardly sent the military to hell in a
handbasket.  Reagan gave us new programs, all right -- the resurrected
B-1, at about 10x the original cost and half the efficiency, the
wonderful Bradley anti-tank gun that shot the reviewing stand on its
first roll-out, the Abrams tank that can't fit on tank carriers, and
personnel carriers that can be destroyed by a well-placed hand
grenade.  This is an improvement?
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: MAX                 
Subject: Reagan/Carter  
Date & Time: 08/22/90 17:14:28
Message Number  8002

   Carter had one major fault, one which should have kept him 
permanently from the presidency: he was a genuinely nice guy. He
actually was a born-again Christian who actually believed... (And to
all you pagans out there, nyeeeh! The previous statement does not imply
you're not nice... nor that all B.A.C.'s are. Just that Carter is.)
   Reagan on the other hand was... well, uh... not all there. 
              C.P.U.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 17:21:24
Message Number  8003

   I regret to inform you that the term "animalism" has already been
appropriated by George Orwell. ("Beasts of England, beasts of Ireland,
beasts of every land and time/ Listen to this joyful singing of the
golden future time...")
    
   Anyway, about cutting apart formaldehyde-laden animals in schools:
do you have any better suggestions on how to teach anatomy, and make
it stick?
               C.P.U.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 17:24:35
Message Number  8004

What?!? Another Christian who believes similarly? Sheesh -- don't
let the fundamentalists find you... 
               Chip
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/22/90 17:26:15
Message Number  8005

Knowing how this topic gets beaten to death...
     
   Pray tell, how can you know (aside from getting propositioned) what
kind of sexuality a person is?
              C.P.U.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/22/90 21:30:54
Message Number  8007

"Magic Man:" Good music, insipid lyrics. What a waste of musical talent.
Jes' another example of the Led Zeppelin "Ramblin'" phenomenon at work,
I guess...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 21:38:42
Message Number  8008

>The troops in Saudi Arabia are a coordinated, well formed fighting
>force.
 
The troops in Saudi Arabia are cannon fodder. Their point in life right
now is to die noisily in an Iraqui invasion, to justify a massive
counterstrike.
 
>It took a Republican in office to get those in Iran to sit up and
>reconsider...
 
And now you do /them/ of all people an injustice. Toward the end they
were just sitting tight so they could wait for a new President to
release the hostages--saved face, and generated negative publicity for
Carter, whom they simply didn't like. The new President was utterly
irrelevant--it could've been Howdie Doodie (wait, it /was/ Howdie Doodie
...it could've been, say, the Ti-Di Bowl Man) and the results would've
been the same.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/22/90 21:45:53
Message Number  8009

>A cat is a cat.
 
Okay, let's start with that one. A cat is a quadraped; Reli is a biped.
A cat has paws; Reli has hands. A cat does not have an opposing thumb;
Reli does. Reli is a cat in exactly the same sense that you are a
chimpanzee.
 
>The thing that separates us [from chimpanzees]..is the # of chromosomes
 
No, actually, it's the information coded on the chromosomes. I believe
that humans and chimps have the same /number/ of 'em, but they're notr
the same chromosomes.
 
>If Reli could be crossed with a housecat...
 
No. She is sufficiently different from cats to indicate that, genetic-
ally speaking, she is not a cat.
 
>...Reli could be crossed with a human...
 
Again, almost certainly not. Reli is almost as different, genetically,
from a human as she is from a cat.
 
In any event, all of this is probably irrlelvant. I personally would
say that the key ingredient in an act of bestiality is the fact that the
non-human involved is a /beast/; ie, a non-sapient animal. Reli is no
more a beast than George Bush, at least not in any sense of the word
that really matters for this sort of thing.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 21:55:01
Message Number  8010

>Reagan INHERITED a large defecit.
 
Reagan inherited a large defecit, and turned it into a staggering one.
Under his wise leadership, the defecit increased over a hundredfold, and
America went from being the largest creditor nation on earth to the
largest debtor nation on earty. Yeah, Ronnie!
 
>...built up our defenses after that LIBERAL Carter let them all go to
>hell...
 
...with such amazing peices of hardware as the B-1, the Amazing Bomber
With No Mission That Flies Into The Ground. Ooooooooh boy, be still my
heart. He also presided over the destruction of HUD and the country's
S&L's, both of which had a lot of help from Reagan-era politicians,
and evidently simply didn't care enough to do anything other than sit
there with his thumb up his ass thinking "Gee, it's Thursday and so far
this week only twelve of my political cronies have gone to jail. Good
week!" Reagan presided over the most corrupt, disasterously inefficient,
and naive Federal government this country has *EVER* seen.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-4           
Date & Time: 08/22/90 22:00:32
Message Number  8011

>MY CAT DOES NOT LIKE YOU!
 
He does. Last time I was over (and you weren't, I might add), he
jumped into my lap and started purring like mad...I think he wants a
new home.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/22/90 22:37:59
Message Number  8012

>the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
 
Cathrode Ray Tubes must be real heavy.  I wouldn't want to play tennis
in 'em.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/22/90 22:43:20
Message Number  8013

>   The point is: I don't want to be scum. I'm not scum.
 
Beatle, you must admit that you are scum, then you will overcome your
scum like life.  Denial will do you no good.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 22:46:33
Message Number  8014

>SHoot......
 
Is that shoot as in: "Darn, I have to give this dolt his three wishes,"
or: "Okay, what are your three wishes [insert evil laugh]"?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/22/90 22:51:54
Message Number  8015

>...stamp out ridiculous footwear!!!
 
     What do you define as "ridiculous footwear"?  Other than pump 
shoes?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:03:32
Message Number  8016

> - if you've seen and recognized a wood nymph -
 
Of course, these wood nymphs were at the Bay Area Ren Fest...  I'm just
gonna stick my neck out, look stupid, and ask once again.  What is the
'wood nymph' look?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:32:06
Message Number  8017

BM>DON'T EVER refer to me as being a typical woman.
  
  Ok, then how about typcial young lady who says typical woman 
expressions.  (Because you use an awful lot of them, you know!)
  
BM>Don't test me on this on, either.
  
No?  (half suprised, half innocent smirk)  Why not?  Are you going to
blast me with another "you heartless asshole" comment?  Or perhaps,
you'll use another of those typical woman expressions (you know, the
one that involves me just dying or and saving everyone a lot of 
trouble, or something like that).
  
   
   
   
   You are SUCH FUN to TEASE!!!  Let's keep this thread going for a 
LONG time.  
  
                         An Amused Specialist
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Guitars        
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:46:56
Message Number  8019

ZG>If I had been praising Bassists, [Geddy Lee] would have gotten 
ZG>special attention.
  
Thank you...I feel a lot better.  He is the best.  Dunno who isthe
best Lead, but I hear that Eddie Van Halen is really good.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:50:10
Message Number  8020

MAX>You really do cherish your assumptions, don't you?  No fact is going
MAX>to get past your blinders, no siree.
  
  Nah, I understand what you meant.  I just wanted to yank a few 
chains.  (Sir.)    Besides, what is more fun than leaping to 
conclusions?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:55:10
Message Number  8021

agreed.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: How? You see,  
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:57:06
Message Number  8022

Fine.  If that's what you want to believe, then fine.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 23:58:28
Message Number  8023

The things you cited, while not the best, are STILL better than 
nothing (which is what we would have had with a Democrat in office).
  
  As for increasing the debt, you tell me how you would have leveled it
off.  Taxing the hell out of people?  Right, here we have a recovering
ecomomy, lets tax the daylights out of it and see how long it takes to
lapse back into it's comatose state.  Come on, not a whole lot he could
have done and still kept America running.  (And with defenses.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:03:03
Message Number  8024

Chip!  Glad you're back...sorry to have to respond to you on this 
note.  
There are certain tell-tale signs which by themselves mean nothing,
but when all exibited at the same time indicate a possibility of 
what the sexual preference of the person in question might be. Now,
it is also a feeling...like a hunch.  
  
  I have been trying to keep out of this thread lately, and we 
(me & JonBoy) have mutually agreed not to discuss it between us.
I got a lot of requests to drop the thread entirely.  So, if that 
answers your question, I'd like to drop it...thanks....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:08:06
Message Number  8025

T>The troops in Saudi Arabia are cannon fodder.
  
Manifest Bullshit (tm).  Where do you getoff criticizing the talents and
skills of America's armed forces?  Have you ever seen wht they can do?
I think that I am qualified to say that they can and will kick ass.
American troops are better trained, better equiped, and have better
resources and inteligence than any other army in the world.  If you 
think that they are there just to be cannon fodder, then you had better
wake up and smell the coffee.  Iraq will loose, and Hussien knows it.
And you had better become cognizant of that fact, too...instead of 
deluding yourself otherwise.
  
  And Carter and his Democrat congress sat around with thier thumbs up 
thier arses until we got a new pres in....  Don't try to pass it off.
  
  Raven!   Some Toxic Shock for this man!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:14:51
Message Number  8026

T>...information coded ont he chromosomes...
 Ok, thank you...I stand corrected.
  If Reli is not a cat and Reli is not a human, then she would probably
qualify as an entirely different lifeform...according to Max,
sex with her could not produce offspring.  (And we all know what that
means!)  But...she's female...but...oh, hell.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:19:44
Message Number  8027

As for the deficit and defenses, see my message to Max.
T>Reagan presided over the most corrupt...blah, blah...ect, babble...
   Unless you count Nixon...who was "not a thief."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:38:21
Message Number  8028

Ridiculous footwear: Pump shoes, spike heels, tennis shoes with those
velcro thingies that hold 'em shut (you know, the ones that stop working
as soon as they get dirty), any shoe that takes over ten minutes to put
on or take off, and anything that comes past your knee.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:40:41
Message Number  8029

>Ford 462...
 
...Ford 390, which they stopped making very quickly 'cause the heads
warp every time someone looks crosseyed at 'em and they have chronic
head gasket problems...but hey, they were powerful engines!
 
>MOPAR RULES
 
Mopar /ruled/. Haven't made anything worth the powder it'd take to blow
it to Hell in years.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:42:53
Message Number  8030

>...nothing...Democrat in office...
 
How silly of me. I forgot that unilateral disarmament was an official
Democratic position. Give it a rest: Reagan's expensive disasters are
worse than useless. The Bradley will never see action, so it can't
possibly be better than nothing by definition, but at least it cost us
a few billion dollars.
 
>...not a whole lot he could have done...
 
...it was totally inevidable that the defecit would increase a /hundred/
times and nobody could stop it? Uh-huh.
 
No offense, Sir, but you seem to be thinking with the wrong head again.
Ever occur to you that all the Republican porpaganda you've been
listening to is bullshit? Really, you pay far too much attention to
those election mailings.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:47:00
Message Number  8031

Of /course/ we would win a conflict with Iraq. They're in a position
that's a logistical nightmare--fighting a desert war with supply lines
that cut across a recently subjegated nation, no economic base to
support a prolongued war effort, an army plagued by aging and obsolete
equipment, surrounded by hostile neighbors...I did not mean to imply
we couldn't, er, "kick their asses." What I was trying to say is that
the function of the front-line Army units currently stationed on the
Saudi border is to act as a human tripwire. They could not withstand the
initial thrust of an invasion; they would die dramatically and provide
the catalyst for a popular counterattack. Nothing personal against
any of 'em, but they're horribly outnumbered and in the SHORT RUN that's
what counts.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 00:51:48
Message Number  8032

Nixon presided over a corrupt government. However, Nixon didn't end up
with a significant number of his underlings in jail, Nixon didn't
preside over the sort of open, flagrant criminality that went on in all
levels of Reagan's government and even involved entire institutions and
industries...and Nixon knew selective expenditure. Reagan, your personal
hero and god of the "strong defense" (the overriding consideration that
will, to a conservative, excuse absolutely ANYTHING) gave money to every
schmuck that walked up to him and said "I have this great idea for a
neat new weapon that'll let America kick them Commie asses! Gimme a few
billion and I'll prove it!" As a result, we ended up with piles of crap
in our armories (like the missile guidance systems that were supposed to
end up in the MX that can't tell Moscow from Des Moines), no money in
the defense budget, airplanes that fly into the ground, three hundred
dollar toilet seats, flammable armored personel carriers that go up
like Roman candles when some dipshit with a grenade wanders by...
 
Boy, that Reagan. Strong Defense. I bet our various opponents on the
world stage would like to see him in charge of defense for about ten
more years.
 
Keep the faith!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-4           
Date & Time: 08/23/90 01:16:06
Message Number  8034

NOT!  My cat loves no one but me!  And don't you ever forget that, Mr. T
urtle...
         ....The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/23/90 01:17:18
Message Number  8035

Hehehehehe...I give.
          Lacey
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/23/90 15:42:13
Message Number  8038

Dearest,
Dont you pay attention to the Mailchecker when you log on?  Its right
there in amber and black, or lime green and black, or whatever...:)
                                     The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/23/90 15:44:09
Message Number  8039

>I'm in shock
Hmmm...should I start with the mouth-to-mouth or the chest compressions?
Decisions, decisions...and who would have guessed that I'd actually be
/glad/ I had to take those stupid health classes in high school or that
CPR could be fun? ;>
                   The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: footware       
Date & Time: 08/23/90 15:58:46
Message Number  8040

>ridiculous footware...anything that comes past your knee
Oh great, now, every time I go flycasting in some freezing stream, I'll
be all self-concious about how ridiculous my waders are...man, its get-
ting to where you can't do anything anymore w/o violating some fashion
code........
                                The Yngling
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/23/90 16:45:30
Message Number  8041

RE: Zot Gnop the Morally Corrupt
Did you know that William F. Buckley's favorite feature in
SmartKey is the ability to write "Ted Kennedy is morally bankrupt"
with one keystroke? Today's software for today's conservative.
                              THRUD
===========

From: THRUD               
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 17:01:50
Message Number  8042

Damn! Openmindedness! Ain't that something! (Not a personal bash,
just unusual for this thread) Ya, putting all the conservative and
liberal BS aside, I think (hope) George is the best guy available.
  Damn, gotta go, will finish later.....
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 17:28:00
Message Number  8044

Gramm-Rudman would have gone a fairly long way to stopping the deficit.
If it had been implemented correctly, the deficit would have levelled
off by now.  If it had been implemented correctly near the beginning of
Reagan's administration, it would have been reducing the deficit by
now.
    There is an IMMENSE amount of waste in the federal government.  Do
you realize that the amount of money spent by all the government
branches just PROCESSING FORMS is greater than the GNP of most of the
world's countries?  A lot of it was in the defense department, and
still is.  Reagan built up our defenses, all right, but he did it by
saying "sure, go ahead" to any contractor who tried to sell the gov't
anything.  If the DoD ROUTINELY pays over $800 for a PAIR OF PLIERS --
which is what they have been charged by some companies for Milspec
tools -- apply the same proportional waste to, say, the Stealth bomber
bomber program, and realize that we've bought about 60 of them.  One
of those bombers costs MORE than the budget of every environmental
agency in the Federal government put together... and they're already
effectively obsolete (technological advances in Soviet military combined
with the fact that the specific missions they're designed for are
unlikely to be necessary now that they're not likely to be used against
the Soviets when/if they go into combat makes them fast B-52's with
about 20% of the B-52's payload capacity).  Now figure that that entire
program is an insignificant part of the DoD budget.
   If we revamped our defense system, we could not only make it MORE
effective for the types of combat it's likely to go into in the future
(guerilla tactics or armies like Hussein's, large but technologically
less than impressive, and chem/bio weapons instead of nuclear ones), we
could probably spend about 50% what we're spending now.  Cutting lots of
programs may not be a good answer, but neither is writing blank
checks.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 17:38:36
Message Number  8045

The hostages were not freed due to ANY actions of either Carter or
Reagan.  Most political analysts, including conservative ones, will tell
you that.  Giving Reagan credit for freeing the Iranian hostages is,
well, inaccurate.  Carter most certainly did not sit around with his
thumbs up his ass; if the desert rescue mission had been executed
competently (it was screwed up due to the expert efficiency of the
American military, who didn't realize complicated tactical details like
DESERTS HAVE SAND IN THEM and SAND GETS IN ENGINES THAT DON'T HAVE SAND
SCREENS INSTALLED), Carter would have been a national hero and would
have gone on to another term.  Because it didn't succeed, he was a
national joke, and would have lost no matter who he was running against.
   I don't agree with Turtle's "the American forces are there as cannon
fodder" argument, and yes, the American military is well-trained.  I
would dispute your claim that they're the best military force in the
world (I'd give the Israelis that distinction), but they're certainly
pretty high on the list.
   And no, it's not our war.  That should be patently obvious.  I said
in the message that started this thread, "we're there solely to protect
our economic interests."  At least this time we do have a vested
interest in the region, but we are involved as a third party pretending
to come to the rescue of a smaller guy being beaten up by the bully.
While that is, in fact, what we're going, rescuing Kuwait is kind of
incidental to the issue.
   By the way, before you spew any more at me, you might have noticed I
never said we shouldn't be there.  I wish there was a way to avoid it,
and I certainly wouldn't WANT us to be there (nor would I want any of
my friends going there, although I suspect at least two may be), but it
is economically necessary for someone to keep Iraq from controlling too
much of the oil in the region.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/23/90 17:48:18
Message Number  8046

Well, I said sex with her /might/ produce offspring.  Writing about the
overrated joys of family life, regardless of what race/species/whatever
comprises the family, has never appealed to me.
   Yes, she probably /would/ qualify as a different lifeform; the
premise of the story (or one of them) is an alternate earth where the
dominant life evolved from felids instead of from primates.  There
wouldn't be a direct analogy to her people on our planet, by definition.
   The same could be said for all the anthropomorphic species in Ranean
Tales, although a lot of the 'morphs there were originally magically
created from the "normal" animals.  While I've seen them referred to
as animals in stories, and I've probably done it myself, Reli -- and
Wezip, Juka, and for that matter, the character Turtle -- are animals in
the same sense humans are animals.  When people make a distinction
between humans and animals, though, all of those 'morphs would probably
meet all the metaphysical & philosphical requirements for humans, they'd
just be a true different race, like Dungeons & Dragons elves or dwarves.
   Speculating on the difference language makes is kind of interesting.
If you call Juka a fox, the question of bestiality comes up; if you call
her an Altani and describe her as a furry alien with vulpine features,
then it probably doesn't.  (Of course, questions relating to being
attracted to aliens would take their place, but at least you'd be
discussing two sapient beings responsible for their own actions, not a
human making dovy-eyes, or worse, at a confused animal.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 18:03:09
Message Number  8047

I identify with the "liberal" banner more closely than "conservative"
because of the issues involved.  I see far too many people on both sides
who haven't really thought about anything and who do, in fact, believe
that the ACLU is a bunch of bleeding-heart liberals whose only purpose
is to fight conservative thought (despite the fact that they have aided
in the defense of both Oliver North and Tammy Faye Bakker), that
"Robert Bork's Amerika" would have meant the end of freedom as we know
it (he may have been so strict a constitutionalist that instead of
reading things into the law that weren't there, he was missing things in
the law that were taken for granted, but he still wasn't Satan), or that
merely calling someone a "liberal" (or "conservative", albeit in much
fewer circles) immediately negates anything they have to say.  I don't
like a lot of what's going on 	with social programs under Bush, and I
certainly don't think he's going to win any Critics' Choice awards as
the best leader of the 20th century; he's just not a crook, a klutz, a
smile with nothing to say or an actor riding the crest of the religious
right and sound-bite conservatism, which -- sadly -- probably makes him
the best president we've had in 20 years.
   Although the fact that he WANTED Quayle as his VP still disturbs me.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:23:04
Message Number  8048

You're too serious on occasion Max... I should sincerely hope that my
personal motives and ideals would be known as a tad higher than what
you imply.  I was merely trying to wind the whole tedious conversation
down with a bit of humor.  I "pick" on other people on occasion also.
My friend Harold is Jewish and fits the stereotype so perfectly that it
is actually humorous.  I kid him partly because I would like him to be
aware that he is actually contributing to the stereotype and thus doing
himself and his fellow Jews no favors.
                                           JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:30:13
Message Number  8049

TS>Jimmy Carter ...tried to pull off a resue attempt... 
 
Actually wasn't that the military that blundered?  They are supposed to
be ready at any time.  Our Commander in Chief told 'em to get their
ass over there and rescue hostages.  The Chiefs of Staff are supposed to
be the real tactical wizards.  Instead we (as in all Americans) were
let down by shoddy equipment maintenance and even worse planning.  Don't
blame Carter.
                                          JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:39:43
Message Number  8050

>TS>have you noticed how FAT the dark haired one is getting?
 
Bingo - I went brain-dead and had to check to make sure I was wrong.
Anyway , yeah she's gone to hell and her frumpy hairdo doesn't help
at all.  Nancy plays one hell of a 12 string.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Background     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:42:41
Message Number  8051

BM>Feathers, huh?  I might be able to get into those...:> 
Maybe a small bit of background would help.  I really disliked this one
jerk that I had as a room-mate in California when I was in the Air Force
I tried everything that I could to get rid of this guy but he idolized
me because I raced cars, played guitar etc etc.  In return, I detesd
everything about this guy because he made The Specialist look like
a flaming liberal and was the epiotome of the Tennessee Hillbilly.
TaDa!  One day he heard us talking about something mildly kinky and he
really went off the deep end about how sick we were and how he couldn't
stand to hear people talk like that...  hehehehe - my prayers were 
answered!!!  I became somewhat <modestly> of an authority on kinky
behavior just to maintain my edge in keeping this guy away. <grin>
Then one day it occurred to me to actually try some of this "fun" stuff.
 
                                ]:>   JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:54:40
Message Number  8053

ya rock-n-roll???  Like to jam???  Know a drummer???
<oh puhleayuz say yes to all the above>
		                      JonBoy with the jammin DT's
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/23/90 20:58:31
Message Number  8054

MAX>If he was so great at running things, he would have at least
MAX>levelled off the sucker.  
 
Sorry Max - that wins a NonSequitar stamp.  The federal deficit is
powered in ways that even professionals aren't sure of and to assume
that with the limited powers of the President, held in check by the
Senate and House, can halt a financial juggernaut of these proportions
is silly.  Not only that but it is absurd to even contemplate changing
the course of something that started rolling long ago and has built up
and almost unstoppable inertia in a mere 4 to 8 years.  We need LONG
term planning and a commitment to action.  There are no magic potions
and brilliant financial chicanery that will fix the problem in this
century (my personal opinion of course).
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/23/90 21:04:53
Message Number  8055

Glad to see ya back Chip!!!!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/23/90 21:06:01
Message Number  8056

CPU>Pray tell, how can you know...kind of sexuality a person is? 
 
Well, not to go into a long-winded explanation but there ARE a lot of
non-verbal cues that I learned to pick up on from my friends in S.F.
The most prevalent is the lack of a "positive" gender reference when
referring to "close" friends.  My friend up in Utah was shocked that
I had known he was gay from about the second week I knew him.  My clue
was that in referring to his lovers he would inevitably end up using
a neutral phrase such as "this person".  He was consious of the fact 
that in discussing this person that the "beans could get spilled" and
was consequently over-careful.  Hopefully that's clear.  I want to 
poo-poo any ideas that it had to do with any limp wrists and lisps.
My friend is a very masculine person and in fact "takes" a woman on
occasion to keep the "image" up.  Hell he gets laid more often than
I do! :>
                                    JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/23/90 21:11:57
Message Number  8057

>Good music, insipid lyrics. 
 
I have stated that I'm a musician primarily, have I not?  I tend to 
ignore the lyrics in most cases and prefer to just think of the human
voice as another instrument playing.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Hot Rods       
Date & Time: 08/23/90 21:16:46
Message Number  8058

TS> The 426 Hemi was the best dual 4 barrel factory ever built.
 
Ever heard of the Ford 429 Boss?  It was a hemi also and rated enough
horsepower that they handicapped it so Mopars could run in the same 
race.  Actually now I think about it - it was a 427 they built. No
matter...  Ford had such an inept racing program (everyone at that
time was trying real hard to look like they weren't supporting racing
"officially".).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/23/90 22:36:47
Message Number  8061

Teddy is morally bankrupt? Hell, there's another idol shot down in
flames. Next you'll be telling me that Marion Barry is a cokehead
or some such nonsense.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/23/90 22:48:57
Message Number  8062

>I tend to ignore the lyrics in most cases...
 
Aaaigh! The music and the lyrics /together/ make the song--if you follow
the one while downplaying the other, you're likely to end up missing
something.
 
                --A holistic Turtle
 
...although if it's "Magic Man" whose lyrics you're ignoring, you
probably aren't missing much...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: -ALL-               
Subject: A/R            
Date & Time: 08/23/90 22:51:26
Message Number  8063

This system will be running on autopilot from Friday (Aug. 24) to
the following Tuesday or Wednsday, since yours truly will be in New
York for a spell. Any technical problems will have to be suffered
through until such time as I get back...this system is notorious for
needing lots O' futzing, so I dunno how this is gonna work out, but I
guess we'll see. Keep them fingers crossed!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 01:01:05
Message Number  8065

He probably gets off where you get off criticizing gays.
                The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/24/90 01:03:46
Message Number  8066

Usually I give it the old control-X...and that's the honest truth!
         :)
             T.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/24/90 01:04:43
Message Number  8067

Usually it helps if you look, listen, and feel - first! 
 :>  (I know, I know...what a smartass!)
                T.L.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/24/90 01:07:06
Message Number  8068

It's interesting to see how /so/ many people picked your story apart...
nothing like good old literary criticisms'  (and opinions).   Well, I
really enjoyed the story, and I do hope that you finish it in the next
issue of Mythagoras.
           -An opinionated Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Background     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 01:10:16
Message Number  8069

:> DONE!  That's all I have to say...
                 Lady
===========

From: ROSEY1              
To: XTEVE               
Subject: DADS VISIT-AMY 
Date & Time: 08/24/90 07:33:29
Message Number  8073

AT ST. JOSEPH MI, AMY & KEVINS ....
..
HELLO THERE FLORIDA FAMILY ...
..
THIS IS DAD VISITING AMY ...
GOT HERE YESTERDAY FOR SUPPER AND AM LEAVING AFTER BKFST TODAY
HAVING A NICE VISIT ... AND ENJOYING SOME OF AMY'S PERSONALLY
MADE STRAWBERRY PRESERVES AND SHORTBREAD.
 
ALSO HAD A NICE WALK ON THE SHORE OF LAKE MICHIGAN AND DISCUSSED
......
THE GUEST ROOM WAS THE COUCH LAST NITE..... ACTUALLY VERY COMFORTABLE.
...
HI GUYS, IT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THE A.M. (FOR ME) SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT
TO SAY...I'LL BE CALLING YOU SOON, PRESPITICUS AND OGNOROUS.  LOVE YA!
..
OK .. BREAKFAST TIME
WILL LOOK FOR SOMETHING FROM YOU THIS WEEKEND.
... LOVE ...
	    ... DAD & AMY ...
..
XTEVE .. GOOD TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR NEWS ..
CAPTURED IT TO A FILE `..
WILL READ IT CAREFULLY LATER .
CEREAL & TOAST TIME W/AMY NOW ..
DAD ..
===========

From: ROSEY1              
To: LAURA               
Subject: VISIT TO AMY   
Date & Time: 08/24/90 07:37:43
Message Number  8074

AT ST. JOSEPH MI, AMY & KEVINS ....
..
HELLO THERE FLORIDA FAMILY ...
..
THIS IS DAD VISITING AMY ...
GOT HERE YESTERDAY FOR SUPPER AND AM LEAVING AFTER BKFST TODAY
HAVING A NICE VISIT ... AND ENJOYING SOME OF AMY'S PERSONALLY
MADE STRAWBERRY PRESERVES AND SHORTBREAD.
 
ALSO HAD A NICE WALK ON THE SHORE OF LAKE MICHIGAN AND DISCUSSED
......
THE GUEST ROOM WAS THE COUCH LAST NITE..... ACTUALLY VERY COMFORTABLE.
...
HI GUYS, IT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THE A.M. (FOR ME) SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT
TO SAY...I'LL BE CALLING YOU SOON, PRESPITICUS AND OGNOROUS.  LOVE YA!
..
OK .. BREAKFAST TIME
WILL LOOK FOR SOMETHING FROM YOU THIS WEEKEND.
... LOVE ...
	    ... DAD & AMY ...
..
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Zappa          
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:02:29
Message Number  8075

Got wrapped up in his stuff in early 70's and haven't put it down
since. Some of his instrumentals leave a little to be desired, but all
in all, I really love his stuff. Now in my <excuse me> old age <grin>,
I have to be careful when I play some Zappa around my kids. 
  "I'm gonna ram it, ram it, ram it up your poop shoot...corn hole,
   fist f*ck, wrist watch, Crisco...." and that kind of stuff....
  
Billy was a mountain, Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder....
  
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:06:49
Message Number  8076

>Rumania...AIDS
  
That's really a shame that those kids have to pay for their country's
ignorance. Maybe we could get them started on a safer method of treating
ill or sickly children....like blood letting with leeches or something.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Animalism?     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:08:58
Message Number  8077

Carolina Biological Supply.....high school frogs
  
Maybe this is tied in to some film studios so that the kids will
better appreciate Freddy Kruger, Leatherface, and Jason. I think
more sinks in to our kids from these hack-'em movies then hands on
learning biology. They're scared to go to sleep 'cause Freddy will
get them, but they don't know a lung from a liver. 
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:13:18
Message Number  8078

>inside looked ANYTHING like the insides of the animals we dissected...
  
I was involved in a brain weight to body ratio and gastrointestinal
content study of sharks in Wilmington, NC and we had to cut up several
sharks every day for a month. Had to remove the brain (intact) and 
empty the gastrointestinal tract and check the contents. You CAN learn
the stuff hands on if it is presented properly and you are accomplishing
something, but most school projects turn into a Veg-O-Matic style of
dissection with nothing being accomplished. 
   Oh yeah, you should try to put a surgical knife through the hide of
a shark. We usually had to saw through when we had to cut on the back.
The belly was softer, but the back was IMPOSSIBLE to stick ANYTHING 
thru. Remember that if you get attacked.....if you can.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:20:04
Message Number  8079

>teach anatomy and make it stick?
  
A group of students gathered around one person who knows what they're
doing, explaining the parts to the kids would teach them MORE about the
anatomy of the creature they're dissecting, and less about how to
surgically remove the heart from a frog. Are we attempting to teach
anatomy, or surgical techniques? It would also save about 90% of the
dissected animals......
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/24/90 10:45:02
Message Number  8080

>Ridiculous footwear: Pump shoes, spike heels, tennis shoes with those
>velcro thingies that hold 'em shut...any shoe that takes over ten 
>minutes to put on or off, and anything that comes past your knee.
 
I can live with that.  I myself like the air/gel shoes.  They really do
cushion your step (unless you happen to get a knife and puncture the
bladder holding the gel in, AHEM).  Speaking of velcro, have you ever
seen Mad Dog velcro?  Very scary stuff.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ALL                 
Subject: ShingenNobunaga
Date & Time: 08/24/90 18:35:05
Message Number  8081

     A tall man enters, wearing all black save red wristcuffs, belt, and
straps on his legs. His legs are chained together with a heavy block 
connected to the chain. He rips of his face covering to show a young man
's face, beaten, bruised. He leans on a table with one hand and pulls a
large pistol from his wrappings with the other. His eyes are almost 
swollen shut, and his mouth and nose are bleeding. he points the gun to 
a blurry figure near the bar and says "food... haven't eaten.. weeks"
he then passes out, firing a shot as he hits the floor.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/24/90 19:55:22
Message Number  8082

> a human and a feline alien...
 
  Any way I can get a copy of that story?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Reagan/Carter  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 19:58:25
Message Number  8083

 
  Hey, Chip! Welcome back!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/24/90 20:03:24
Message Number  8084

> then you  will overcome your scum like life.
 
  Exactly. My life is scum, but I'm not a scum in the way the message 
said...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/24/90 20:34:37
Message Number  8085

> Know a drummer???
 
  If I tried, I might be able to do at least SOMETHING... I haven't 
been behind real drums, except for once, but Iwant to try sometime...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/24/90 20:37:55
Message Number  8086

> I tend to ignore the lyrics in most cases...
 
  Yeah, I do, and I believe Zot Gnop does also, but Turtle and Max are
firm believers that the music and the lyrics together make the song.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 21:11:05
Message Number  8088

>T>The troops in Saudi Arabia are cannon fodder.
anifest Bullshit (tm).  Where do you getoff criticizing the talents and
s of America's armed forces?  Have....
 
ARGH!! BAD QUOTING!!! 
 
@ne rate, the troops in Saudi Arabia are well equiped, but chem and bio
warfare is _nasty_.  The good ol rubber suits are _hot_ (not to mention
unwieldly, uncomfortable, and of limited effectiveness), and are not a
panacea that works.  I fully expect it to take a while for the situation
to be resolved (as does Bush, from the approach he has been taking), and
am thinking about what to do if the situation escalates.  The troop 
movements have been massive.
 
If the situation was going to end quickly, it would have already been 
wrapped up (quick bombing attack, direct invasion, or such approach.
 
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 21:37:02
Message Number  8089

Whoa, Nellie! Hold me back...
    
   First and foremost, do you REALLY think Reagan had anything to do 
with the Iranian hostage situation? Sure -- it was in his reign that
they freed the hostages. But, how few days in?
       
   Secondly, you're falling into the same trap Saddam wants the rest
of the world to fall into. This is not a war of Iraq against the
United States (although we're one of the countries he'd like to bring
down.) This is Iraq against the oil-consuming countries of the world.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/24/90 21:40:56
Message Number  8090

First and foremost, your basing of beast/humanity on the number of
chromosones is next to useless. At least some mammals (Ghods -- I've
got to look up exactly which ones!) have more chromosones than humans
do. Does that make them super-human?
     
   Second of all, what makes you so certain that creatures like Reli
have genetics based on chromosones?
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 21:53:11
Message Number  8091

>Besides, what is more fun than leaping to conclusions?
     
   Not getting drenched in shouts of "HOMOPHOBE!"
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 21:54:40
Message Number  8092

>There are certain tell-tale signs which by themselves mean nothing,
>but when all exibited at the same time indicate a possibility of
>what the sexual preference of the person in question might be. Now,
>it is also a feeling...like a hunch.
       
   Hmmm... reminds me of an incident with my parents and someone who's
occasionally on these boards. (Call him Igor.) Igor is somewhat shy,
he has a fairly high-pitched voice for a male, and he is always quite
clean-shaven. When my parents met him, their comment was, "He seems 
like such a nice boy... you DO know that he's gay, don't you?" 
Quite far from the truth, in this case.
     
   Ya could be misrepresenting someone...
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:01:31
Message Number  8093

>Ever occur to you that all the Republican porpaganda you've been
>listening to is bullshit? Really, you pay far too much attention to
>those election mailings.
       
   I do not neglect to remind you that one of your members was PROUD
to bring forth into this world that election porpaganda. And I assure
you, it is not mere bullshit. 'Tis much more similar to barns over-
flowing with the fecal matter of a wide variety of the finest animals.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:05:54
Message Number  8094

>I think (hope) George is the best guy available.
      
   Really? Personally, I'm convinced that neither the Democrats nor
the Republicans wanted to win this election. George Bush seems to be
excellent with international relations. He's trying to use them to 
cover up his lack of ability with national matters.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:12:35
Message Number  8095

Why, thanks, JonBoy! It's great being back!
     
Again, sometime we need to get together some sort of pick-up, acoustic
band. Even if it's just "Chipper's All-Kazoo Orchestra," it seems
music is a second current running through some BBS'ers.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:15:05
Message Number  8096

The idea of a lack of gender reference when talking about lovers
might help pick out pure homosexuals from the rest of people, but it
does not give one whit of information about bisexuals.
    But, seriously -- that is a good idea. And I've noticed it before.
(In fact, three or four days ago -- and eventually he tried to bed
me. I declined.)
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:18:22
Message Number  8097

>Next you'll be telling me that Marion Barry is a cokehead or
>some such nonsense.
     
It's a black thing. You won't understand.
 
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:21:36
Message Number  8098

I still feel that doing is the only way of really teaching people.
Ghods, how I hated dissecting cats! But it helped me pull off a 
"3" on the A.P. Biology exam.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Reagan/Carter  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:23:30
Message Number  8099

Yip! (tm) Why, thanks, Beatle! Damn good to be back.
    
   aLTER rEALITY doesn't seem to have changed that much -- same weire
discussions, same obscurity. Love that stuff!
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:43:53
Message Number  8101

Never even heard of Mad Dog velcro. Does it only stick to rabid
furry animals or what? And why on /earth/ would anyone start sticking
gel bladders in gel tennis shoes with sharp objects, anyway? You been
dissecting too many frogs? THIS is why that sort of activity should be
prohibited in public schools! Just think: innocent tennis shoes
sacrificed by little maniacs with scalpels, rampaging devils educated
by the very school systems to attack every tennis shoe that crosses
their path! It's a plot of the devil! Aaaaaaaaaaigh! Stop the slaughter
of innocent shoes!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:50:55
Message Number  8102

>@ne rate...
 
Hey, there's an interesting typological shortcut!
 
>...the troops in Saudi Arabia are well trained and equiped...
 
And desperately outnumbered. A quick and dirty Iraqui invasion of
Saudi Arabia would have certain predictable results: the American and
other forces in Saudi Arabia would be steamrollered, there would be a
fairly large-scale counter-offensive, the Iraquis would not have the
resources or the supplies to dig in and fight a protracted battle, the
Iraquis would lose. You could almost make it into a paint-by-numbers
thing. The long-term success wouldn't help the poor schmucks on the
front lines, though.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:56:05
Message Number  8103

Hey, did you see where the honorable Senator Jesse Helms has publically
referred to the supporters of his opponent in this year's Senatorial
election "a collection of artists, homosexuals, and every other left-
wing group"? That is truly staggering propaganda of the type to make
your barnyard-variety Republican crap look like the most insignificant
lice on the wolly mammoth of Jesse Helms, or some such badly-constructed
metaphor. Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Reagan/Carter  
Date & Time: 08/24/90 22:59:45
Message Number  8104

>aLTER rEALITY doesn't seem to have changed that much...
 
...unless you count new menus, new (sorta) software (or at least new
hacks), and a new, improved fresh scent. Stay tuned, though; A/R may
be going Fido (as a point system) in the next coupla months.
 
>...same weire discussions...
 
We here at Anarchy Now, Inc. have always prided ourselves on the
weiredom of our discussions. The weire factor is something that will
never go away. (Not 'cause we like it, but because we can't get rid of
it. Nobody's been able to figure out a way to factor a weire yet,
short of integrating the entire thing by partial fractions, and everyone
knows partial fractions are mathematical witchcraft. Besides, if you
factor the whole thing by weire, you end up with a non-reducable
term...never mind.)
 
>...same obscurity.
 
Heaven forbid our weire should be obvious!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL WYVERNERS       
Subject: Ranean Tales   
Date & Time: 08/25/90 00:11:13
Message Number  8105

Now available in the download directory: a text file containing all the
AR posts through Message #7300. Ranean Tales posters may want to down-
load it for archival purposes. NEW USERS WHO INTEND TO JOIN THE RANEAN
TALES STORYBOARD ARE /REQUIRED/ TO DOWNLOAD THIS FILE AND READ IT
*FIRST*!!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/25/90 02:13:24
Message Number  8106

Speaking of inane lyrics and such, Zot made me listen to a NKOTB song
tonight just to point out how it was such a rip off on the Beatles' 
style.  Ghods, after one minute I was shaking all over and ready to 
slam my head against a large spike.  Just say NO to NKOTB.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/25/90 02:16:16
Message Number  8107

No, the first step is to shake them gently and ask if they are okay.  If
they don't respond, search them for expensive watches, rings, and other
such items, then grab their wallet and run.  If they do respond, hit 'em
over the head untill they don't respond, then steal their stuff.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/25/90 02:22:47
Message Number  8108

>Yeah, I do [ignore lyrics], and I believe Zot Gnop does...
 
I don't think Zot ignores the lyrics.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/25/90 02:28:15
Message Number  8109

>Never even heard of Mad Dog velcro. Does it only stick to rabid
>furry animals or what?
 
Well, from what I've heard of it (I've never bought any, it's $3 for
about 3 square inches of the stuff), it will hold a volvo to the
underside of a steel I-beam (right next to the guy from the Crazy Glue
ad).
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: New Subject    
Date & Time: 08/25/90 07:46:57
Message Number  8115

  Yo, I know this is a new reply to an old message, but I have that para
too. That's why I have alot of weapons and know how to use lethal force.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 08:58:19
Message Number  8116

>The long-term success wouldn't help the poor schmucks on the front
>lines, though.
       
   What front lines? The Iraqis have fantastic (over a million) ground
troops -- they're following the blitzkrieg strategy. But -- they have
a front line. But, the Americans have extremely few ground troops --
most of their power comes from the air.
   Any general who'd send American ground troops and expect them to
survive is hopeless... We'd need at least twice the number of troops
the Iraqis have just for a "fair fight." For some reason, the Americans
sent over lots of air-based and sea-based troops; not land-based.
Where the heck is our "front lines" in this case?
                   Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 09:02:28
Message Number  8117

   Yup! I heard about it the next day. Ya know, what's really 
interesting is that the Republican Conference has predicted the
fall of Jesse Helms from the Senate... privately, of course. It
would be a good thing.
     
    From the department of Even Worse: (Note: the following is NOT
a TurtleSpew (tm). This is completely serious.) Senator D'Amato (R-NY)
has a spiffy new way to cut off drug trafficking. Why not one day
just change the color of money? Everybody can then go to the bank,
prove the money is theirs, and voila! they get spiffy-keen new-colored
money. But if they're a Bad Guy (tm) who sells drugs or can't prove
their money was gotten legally, then <POOF!> it disappears.
      
    If this is impossible, the senator continued, then why shouldn't
we have two forms of currency: one for legal use inside the country,
and a second for legal use outside the country? That was if the Mean
and Nasty Drug Traffickers tried to use some of Our currency outside
the country, they'd be caught instantly.
      
      
    When I first saw his ideas, I noticed at least three major faults
with them. What do y'all think?
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ALL                 
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/25/90 12:34:55
Message Number  8120

If you're an animation fan -- or if you just like watching some weird,
world-class, strange shorts -- listen up!
      
   The XXII International Tourney of Animation, with eighteen world-
wide, award winning pieces of animation is coming to Tampa from
August 31 through September 16. If you saw last year's program, you
understand the strangeness that goes on in these programs...
   It will be showing at the Tampa Theatre, 711 Franklin St. Mall.
I'd love it if we could all get together some night for this strange
presentation...
        
        Be there or be tofu.
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TRUE FEN            
Subject: Life goes on.  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 12:45:49
Message Number  8121

   Meanwhile, back at the Monocerous embassy, the lonely unicorn
picked up some of his last things with his mouth, and tossed them
into his bag. "Good shot," he muttered to himself. And he didn't
have to aim too hard with his horn. The unicorn had seen several games
of basketball -- and though he'd be better than most professionals.
Volleyball might be another story.
   Two thuds at the door broke his chain of thought. With a flip of
his horn the door unlocked, revealing a young raccoon messenger. 
Chip recognized him as one who the embassy employed. 
   "Two messages for you," started the raccoon. "The first is that the
Wa-Mar'am Explorer Shu-Wen wants to see you before you leave. And the
second is that your tickets have arrived. You'll be leaving three days
hence, on the starship Picard, at eight chimes." He turned as if to 
leave.
   "Wait a second," started the unicorn... what was his name? Oh,
Bobby. "Bobby. Wait." The raccoon stopped, glancing at the unicorn
strangely. Chip was feeling generous. Looking at the money piled
on his desk, he floated a silver coin toward the messenger. Tips
were rare on Ranea, but they were appreciated.
   Bobby caught the coin from the air, and smiled his thanks. He then
left for his other rounds.
     
   The Wa-Mar'am Shu-Wen? Chip remembered him somewhat. The short,
furry fellow was another non-human race -- but he blended in much
more easily with the furries around than Chip did. Covered with 
long, brown hair, he appeared to look more like a beaver or mole
than anything else. Another quadraped, but his four paws were all
able to act as hands. A great improvement over hooves, Chip thought.
   The Explorer was in Ranea to try to learn as much as possible about
extra-Universal politics -- and to meet as many people as possible.
He remembered some of his discussions -- an intelligent fellow. Chip
wondered where he had learned about Chip's leaving -- but that would
be a good start for conversation.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Hemi's         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 13:42:43
Message Number  8122

JB>Ever hear of the 429 Boss?
Yep.  Hmmm.  It has a record of losses to the 426's.  
JB>...they handicapped it so Mopars could run in the same race.
Must be why.
JB>Actually, now that I think about it - it was a 427 they built.
No, you're right...429.  It was in the 70 Mach's.  Beautiful block,
*nice* looking power plant, all in orange.  (Er, whatever fancy term 
they used to describe ORANGE.)
JB>Ford had a real inept racing progeam...
Must be why they lost a majority to MOPAR.  (Look it up...if you can't
find it, I'll get the books and show it to you.)
  
  Actually, I didn't know any of this before this last four months. It
has been nescessary to check all of this info out when selecting an
engine (I'm rebuilding a 72 Charger).  I would have liked to get a
426 but it's too much effort to rebuild one, and parts are too rare
and expensive...so I got a 440 instead.  Friggin $1000 for an intake 
system...sheesh! 
  
Nothing personal about that ORANGE remark, Mopar uses blue...but they 
call it "Chrysler Blue"...like calling it Chrysler Blue is gonna 
impress somebody. ("Oooh, you have CHRYSLER BLUE block!  Oooh!")  Oh,
well...just a name, I suppose.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 13:56:21
Message Number  8123

BM>He probably gets off where you get off criticizing gays.
  
Ah, yes, but I'm right...
  
So where do you get off?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:13:12
Message Number  8125

Well, can you run a drum machine?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:14:15
Message Number  8126

B>...but Turtle and Max are firm believers...
  
Yeah, they are...did you ever notice that those two are like, really
REALLY similar?  I begin to wonder what experiments the government
has conducted on CLONING....
  
  
  
  Oh, but hell!  Then I'd have to suspect Ken and Mike, too!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:18:27
Message Number  8127

R>...but chen and bio warfare is _nasty_.  
No shit, Sherlock.  I TOOK Nuclear/Chemical/Biological training when I 
was in the Army.  I also took additional training as a member of the
Chemical Detection Team so I*know* what the hazards of NBC warefare 
are all about.  Your experience?  Aside from what you've read?
R>The good ol rubber suits
Wrong.  They are cloth and charcoal.  Not rubber.  Get your facts 
down...
R> are _hot_ (not to mention unwieldy, uncomfortable and of limited
R>effective use), and are not a panacea that works.
Yes, they are _hot_ but aside from that they are not uncomfortable and
certainly not unwieldy.  Given, you couldn't do acrobatics in them, but
for the purpose they were designed for (protect while in combat) they 
are quite effective.   Besides, how the hell would you know?  YOU ever 
had to wear one in field conditions?   Apparently not, since you don't
even know what they are made of....  When used properly (and there 
ARE proceedures which everybody uses) they are an effective WORKABLE 
responce to chemical attack. The only effect is that we would be 
hindered in our efforts, but the idea of a chemical attack (aside
from killing men) is to make area unusable for battel.  If an
area gets gassed, the NBC proceedure is followed, (^SP battle) the
unit withdraws to an NBC Decon site, and is re-supplied and ready fr
combat again.  In the meantime, another Decon crew goes out, sets up 
markers (NBC markers, to set area limits) so that the area won't be
crossed by another unit.  
  
  Even though Amercian Forces are prepared for such a battle, I don't
think that Hussien will use his Chems...remember, he's gotta cross that
space, too!  Given there's not a lot of space there that'w worth any-
thing...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:38:49
Message Number  8128

What country in the world consumes the most oil?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:39:34
Message Number  8129

I was corrected by Turtle about the chomosome thing...so you are right
about that...but I didn't mean number of chomosomes...I meant the
information encoded on them.  A match of info is what I was looking for.
 
CPU> what makes you so certain that...Reli...based on chromosomes?
  
Hmmm.  Good point.  It's just that most carbon based lifeforms I've
ever encountered have some sort of basic pattern, and I just use
chomosomes to describe it. In answer, I'm not certain.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:43:25
Message Number  8130

"Homophobe" is a bullshit term.  It is used by sick individuals to
turn the tables onto normal individuals.  
  
"I'm not sick because I'm gay; _you_ are sick because you are...
afraid of gays!  Yeah, that's the ticket...and, and..."
  
Sick people who needed to justify themselves made up the term...and
then their "supporters" decided to run with it.  Get real...it's  
a bullshit term.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:46:57
Message Number  8131

CPU>Ya could be misrepresenting someone...
  
True.  But if you will take a look at my message, you will see that its
pretty nebulous.  Not that I used words which were not definite words.
I said "possible" an "may indicate".   I admit, I'm willing to put up 
with a lot of things.  I would not judge your freind Igor to be gay
just because he has a high pitched voide and is shy and clean shaven.
These ALONE do not indicate anything.  now the timbre of his voice
with a high pitch might make me suspicious.  I'm not sure that shy
is an indicator, exactly.  I am shy, but I'm not gay.  I don't think
that clean shaven is much of an indicator, either.  Probably about
80% of what give a gay away is his demeanor.  Other clues, like 
what JB said earlier (non-gender references) make up another 10%. I 
would give the rest to hunch...
  
God, my typing sucks!!!  sorry for all the typos.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 14:54:56
Message Number  8132

CPU>But, seriously -- that is a good idea.  And I've noticed it before.
CPU>(In fact, three of four days ago -- and eventually he tried to bed
CPU>me.  I declined.)
  
  (Withdraws with a strange look on face)  (gag!)    You declined?
(Looks away, still not sure of how to react...repulsion and disgust
vie for space and finally reach a compromise, to be replaced by anger
a few seconds later)  I hope with a painfull (to the offending 
propositioner) guesture!  
  
  Grr.  I have to admire you, Chip...I'da had to do something extremely
violent.  (Shakes head and makes face) At least...yes, I amire your 
self-control.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Velcro         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 15:06:54
Message Number  8133

Oh, fantastic!  Where can I get some?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 15:09:29
Message Number  8134

"Front-lines" is an outdated term.  According the the Army, there are
to be no front lines because of the "high-mobilty" factor of tdays 
conflicts.  The new army tactical strategy is called "Air/Land Battle"
(A/L B).  This is where a war is fought on many fronts, all with thier 
own Air support (which can range from Chinooks to A-10's).  Essentially,
in A/L B all the fighting is done from the air by area attacks (40 mm
grenades from helis, tank attacks and bomb attacks from A-10's).  This
keeps our troops from harms way while still leaving them there for 
clean up operations.  Clearly, the US has the tactical advantage on 
air superiority, and with this, we can conduct A/L B all day long.
  
Oh, by the way...while Iraqi troop strength is (over) estimated at 
about 1 million troops, actually only about 200,000 of them are of 
any use (trained soldiers).  This puts the US in a more favorable light,
seeing as how ALL of our troops are well trained.  (While not in actual
combat...even though they got as close as they could without killing 
each other.)
  
  We can make up the difference with tactical nukes.  Heh, heh, heh. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 15:30:22
Message Number  8135

Well, Dave, are you sure that you meant to say, "all fighting"?
  
No, I meant to say, a great deal of the fighting.
  
Ah, so then, what you mean is that the troops are "closely supported"
by air support.
  
Well, yes.  You know what I mean!  
 
Yes, but you know that they'll sharpshoot you on that.
  
I know, I know...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/25/90 16:02:15
Message Number  8136

    Same here, dude. (Re: Drummer)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/25/90 16:26:32
Message Number  8138

     I picked up the flyer for it yesterday at Time Machine.  I know a
few non-bbsers, semi-furry, anime folks are going, probably two weekends
from now.  The more the merrier.  And the Tampa Theatre is an amazing
place.  The inside looks like the outside more than the outside does.
And even better, if you buy 10 tickets, it's only $2 each, as opposed to
$4 each.  What a deal.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Velcro         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 16:35:48
Message Number  8139

>Oh, fantastic!  Where can I get some?
 
Well, I know West Coast Hobby World in Sarasota has it.  Other than
there, I'm not really sure.  I should go out and invest in some.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:21:46
Message Number  8140

Which country consumes the most oil? The U.S.
     
   But it's fairly likely that Japan or West Germany import more.
       
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:23:41
Message Number  8141

>Homophobe is a bullshit term. It is used by sick individuals to
>turn the tables onto normal individuals.
   
   No, the term happens to have been more of a psychological term,
similar to Anglophobe, agoraphobe, or pedophobe -- without reference
to the morality (or immorality) of homosexuality, English people,
wide open spaces, or children. Yes, it was taken by the homosexual
community to describe their attackers; but it remains a good
psychological term.
   
   Even if you were a forthright individual, and morally opposed
say... computer criminals, there is no need to be afraid of them.
Even if you fulfilled all of the Ten Commandments, there is no need
to fear covetous people. 
     
   That, sir, is the difference between a "morally upright" person
and a "homophobe."
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:35:43
Message Number  8142

   Don't worry about the typos. You're doing fine.
   
   First and foremost, I don't want to debate the morality (or
immorality) of homosexuality. What I have found disturbing about
you is that you seem to feel that homosexuality immediately negates
any "good points" for a person. That is, a man or woman might be a
wonderful member of the community, giving generously to churches and
civic organizations, be a wonderful speaker and an easy person to
get along with, be unselfishly devoted to children and pets, and
yet keeps up the schedule necessary for a doctor in the emergency
ward -- and be homosexual -- therefore, the person is scvm. That,
my friend, seems to be homophobia.
      
                  
   Prove me wrong. Say that one's sexual preference is not the most
important thing about oneself.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:46:06
Message Number  8143

>You declined?...I hope with a painfull guesture!
      
   It's happened before to me; it may happen again. I'm not interested
in the "homosexual lifestyle" -- but I don't see how it's my place to
try to change others away from it. The first time I declined with,
"My girlfriend wouldn't like that." and last time, I simply said I
was hetero. Period. 
      
   What was I doing with him in the first place? His brother died; he
desperately needed to talk with someone. 
   And that shakes the boundaries of sexual preference.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:53:53
Message Number  8144

Thank you very much for the information. Though I disagree with you
on some topics, your military knowledge is first-rate.
    
   Tactical nukes? Heck -- go for the big stuff first, and create the
Iraqi sea. THAT'll teach 'em to go against the U.S!
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/25/90 19:57:04
Message Number  8145

I think we could manage to scrape up ten fen -- especially if we
include your "non-bbsers, semi-furry, anime" friends. But, the big
question is: can the Tampa Theatre deal with having more than ten
furries in the same place at once?
                  Yip!,
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 20:26:35
Message Number  8146

>And desperately outnumbered...
 
1. Being outnumbered is of little consequence in the type of battle that
   will probably occur (hit fast, and don't clean up afterwards). 
   The Afgahn rebels admirably demonstrated the ability of small fanatic
   forces to fight a prolonged battle, even if dramatically outnumbered
   and outclassed (with regard to weaponry), neither of which apply to 
   the Iraquis.  The length of the fighting depends entirely on how long
   S.H. wants it to.
 
2. The Afgahns had significantly fewer resources and supplies (but were
   admittedly fighting on home territory, wheras the soviets were not)
   than the Iraquis do.  The Iraquis are more familiar with the area, 
   and the military tactics that desert fighting requires than the US or
   allied forces.
 
3. I believe that Nam was considered a 'paint by numbers thing' as well.
   This is too close a conflict for the outcome to be determined before 
   the fact.  I ferverantly hope that the Iraquis back down (thus 
   avioding the other neccesities of a prolonged war), but I do not feel
   that predictions can be accurately made at this point.
 
                  -a where-the-hell-is-my-other-passport Raven-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 20:49:45
Message Number  8147

A freely admit that I did not know the SOP for dealing with chem/bio
attack.  The figure I have for the effectiveness of the suit (30min for
intrusive agents) is what I was told by one friend who rescently left
the military, and verified by another who rescentley rejioned.  No I 
have never worn one in field conditions, and if the rest of the suit is 
anywhere as stifiling as the mask (one of which I own), then I can only 
say thank the gods, and pray that I never have to.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 20:55:17
Message Number  8148

phobe := fear
 
As you are definately afraid of gays (or so your attitude has lead us to
believe) homophobe is an accurate description.  I thought you were
dropping this thread?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/25/90 21:49:36
Message Number  8149

    Come now... I hate war in any way, shape, or form... if they drafted
me I wouldn't kill.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:10:54
Message Number  8150

T> you're likely to end up missing  something. 
 
Actually - yes.  Usually what the name of the song is!  As far as the 
lyrics go - I learned my lesson again when I took the time to read the
lyrics in Van Halen's OU812.  Sorry!  The music can do quite well with-
out understanding the word.  I ain't made up my mind whether Sammy is
a good thing or not yet - but he has the fact that DL Roth was a dweeb
is a point in his favor.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Zappa          
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:19:32
Message Number  8151

SB>I have to be careful when I play some Zappa around my kids.
 
I took the "Joes' Garage" tape into work (some fabulous synth guitar
work!) and one of the guys cranked it in the song Cyborg where he is
having sex with Gay Bob - a miniature plasticized homo-replica and 
shorts out Cy with a golden shower.  Just so happened that some, ahhhh
sensistive people were in the area....
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:22:42
Message Number  8152

SB>sharks in Wilmington, NC 
 
Wow!  When were you there?  I used to be stationed at Fort Fisher at the
south end of Kure Beach.  I used to really bug the gals at the research
station.  Finally they figured out I was sincere (I used to take 'em 
weird stuff I caught snorkeling and in my nets) and used to take me out
in the boat on collection trips.  I remember cutting up my first shark.
Not only did the damned thing resist being cut open - it dulled my
Buck knife to the point I couldn't cut at all with it.  We used the skin
to make some Japanese sanders.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:27:50
Message Number  8153

I just wanna jam with somebody.  I miss my buddy Billy Bell.  We used
to have Rum-n-coke jam sessions at least once a month (that's where
you drink rum and cokes and play loud obnoxious music until all you
can do is hit the strings and giggle).  Sighhh...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:33:18
Message Number  8154

CPU>Again, sometime we need to get together some sort of pick-up, acoust
CPU>band. 
 
Well let's do a poll and have a get together or something.  I was trying
to get some of these dead-beats sown to the Dog House (Mulcahey's) on
Taco night or whatnot 'cause the owner was thoughtless enough to place
a drum set, an acoustic 6 string w/pickup, an Ibanez electric and a bass
guitar and a Casio keyboard complete with mikes and amps.
However - maybe it would be best to deafen somebodies neighbors first?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:37:40
Message Number  8155

CPU>does not give one whit of information about bisexuals. 
 
Hmmm . I've known two bisexual people and both were females.  I really
can't remember how they referred to their lovers.  Oh well.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: weire          
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:41:05
Message Number  8156

T> but because we can't get rid of  it.
 
Do what the big boys do... call it a feature.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:46:34
Message Number  8157

Drool <pant>!  Count me in!  I *love* animation festivals.  I've been
trying to get the European animation festivals on VHS (yes they're
available - but where?).
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Hemi's         
Date & Time: 08/25/90 22:50:09
Message Number  8158

Nope - the 429 BOSS that I'm referring to was only produced for
2 years and was a twin overhead cam.  They produced a limitd number
for NASCAR but then the rules changed. It was too expensive to re-tool
for NASCAR so it became somewhat of an orphan.  Two boys in Tennessee
run these things in ProStock and have great success.  You misunderstand
handicaps.  They let the Mopar leave /first/ and the Ford has to try and
pass it.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/26/90 00:47:05
Message Number  8160

>Usually it helps if you look, listen, and feel - first!
And /then/ can I do mouth-to-mouth? ;>
                             The Yngling 
[gee, if this thread continues much longer I'm gonna need a cold shower]
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 10:07:24
Message Number  8166

    Van Hagar sucks. at least with Roth there was a solidness there and
action in the songs, not like the now whimpering Hagar, who was once ver
y good.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/26/90 10:52:35
Message Number  8167

There's one thing you're leaving out: food. The Iraqis are most 
certainly not self-sufficient. (Neither are the Kuwaitis.) IF the
economic blockade is successful (which it may not be), then the
Iraqis will have to stop fighting once their reserves of food run
out. We can survive without the Iraqi oil (though it will hurt!), but
they can't survive without our food.
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: War!           
Date & Time: 08/26/90 10:56:09
Message Number  8168

>I hate war in any way, shape, or form... if they drafted me I
>wouldn't kill.
     
   How strong are those ideals, Spellwind? Would you kill in self-
defense? If someone was torturing you to death, and the only way to
stop him would be by killing him (which, it's assumed, you have the
capability of doing...), would you?
   What if you're thrown into a "kill or be killed" situation, similar
to what happened with many of our troops in Vietnam?
     
   All I'm saying: thank God I'm 4-F -- and that I can get Mexican
citizenship really easily.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/26/90 11:00:46
Message Number  8169

   If ya don't mind an acoustic guitar player (or you've got a spare
electric one -- and don't mind waiting while I figure out the changes),
I'd love to jam with ya sometime. And I won't bring my cloak.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bisexuality    
Date & Time: 08/26/90 11:02:39
Message Number  8170

>Both [bisexuals] were females. I really can't remember how they 
>referred to their lovers.
      
  If male, "he". If female, "she". Simple, no? :>
     
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/26/90 11:54:26
Message Number  8172

Which reminds me ... I saw William Shatner as "The Big Kahoona"  (SP!?)
In some surfer movie ... Anyone know what it is?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/26/90 12:00:29
Message Number  8173

(L)ucy in the (S)ky with (D)iamonds ....
 
NEED ANY MORE PROOF!?!?!?!?   :)
 
I'm bbbbbbbbaaaaaaaccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/26/90 12:01:37
Message Number  8174

> Cathrode Ray Tubes must be read heavy.
 
Really?  That's what CRT stands for?  Anyways, I didn't come up with the
name for the shoes ... It must be an acronym for something different...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: #?.INFO             
Subject: HI!            
Date & Time: 08/26/90 12:03:25
Message Number  8175

Hi all ... Just here to say I'm back alive in one piece!  Good, eh?
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/26/90 12:16:52
Message Number  8176

Hmm....Probably true.
       -R-
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:07:53
Message Number  8177

 
> I don't think Zot ignores the lyrics.
 
  I should have put in the word "sometimes". He's told me that he often 
listens to just the base line or just the music of a song.
 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:09:50
Message Number  8178

 
> (right next to the guy from the Crazy Glue ad).
 
   Ghee! He's still there?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:17:41
Message Number  8181

> Well, can you run a drum machine?
 
  Ghods! Don't say things like that! I wouldn't WANT to run a drum 
machine. If its not something you can play, then keep it away from me.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:23:32
Message Number  8182

> if you buy 10 tickets, it's only $2 each, as opposed to $4 each.
 
  Sounds nice and dandy. Who's going to drive? I'm interested in going 
if nothing is prohibiting me from leaving here...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:33:34
Message Number  8183

> NEED ANY MORE PROOF!?!?!?!?    :)
 
  Yes. The spelling of a song title does nothing to advocate drug use.
 
  Turtle, is this pretty much a given, or what? I think Ken here is 
grabbing for something to support himself...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:47:16
Message Number  8184

  Turtle, I know you work good with the inards of computers, but do you
know anything about VCRs? Something odd just happened to ours... I need 
to find someone who might know what's wrong with it who won't charge a 
fee to say "VCR fall down and go boom. I can do something for ya if you 
give me five hundred dollars and don't sue me when it breaks next month"
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:55:00
Message Number  8185

RE: Jam Session @ The Dog House
The only thing I can play is the radio but I'd be happy to show up &
lend moral support (and help fight off the other patrons if ya'll
offend anyone with your playing - been too long since I was in a good
bar brawl anyhow).  Let me know when you all plan to show.
                          The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: weire          
Date & Time: 08/26/90 15:58:50
Message Number  8186

>...call it a feature
Hell yeah, and charge us double the normal admission price too!  I say
somebody needs to start paying Turtle for all the weire he's providing.
Or maybe it would be best to hold a telethon or something......
                                The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 16:03:45
Message Number  8187

Hagar was /never/ any good.
                 The Yngling
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 08/26/90 16:42:51
Message Number  8189

:>  Only you...welcome back.  Missed you...
           Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/26/90 16:49:53
Message Number  8190

Naughty - naughty...didn't you learn anything?  
         ;)
            Lace
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/26/90 16:53:57
Message Number  8191

You'll never know.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/26/90 17:00:14
Message Number  8192

Yes, /then/ you do the mouth-to-mouth.).
       Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/26/90 17:05:21
Message Number  8193

JONBOY...If you need a violinist, I could help...I fool around with the
drums a bit...a good friend of mine is in a band...really excellent 
drummer....if you'd like, I'll give him a call.
          LADY 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:17:01
Message Number  8194

Well, for "Akira" we had, lesse, nine furry folks, plus some other
weird folks.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:26:30
Message Number  8195

>It [CRT] most be an acronym for something different...
 
Crappy Reebok Tennis shoes.  Yep, just like (L)ucy in the (S)ky with 
(D)iamonds.  yep, yep, yep...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:28:20
Message Number  8196

>   Ghee! He's [the Crazy Glue guy] still there?
 
Yea, seems the glue seeped into his head.  They can't move him.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:31:25
Message Number  8197

>Naughty - naughty...
 
Boy, you know how to flatter (sp?) a guy.  Your sooooo sweet (and cute).
 
Yes, tommorow, I'm going to catch hell.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Iggmawaulder   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:33:52
Message Number  8198

     Few patrons notice the man who enters the bar.  When I see him
pull out a gun I say "Nuuhh...Huuh....GUN!"  Mulligan spins around to
face the man just in time to have the bullet graze his right hip. 
After making a nasty mess of Mulligan's hip, the bullet goes through my
coat, the bar behind, and stops with a shattering of glass.  Mulligan,
with a trickle of blood running down his uniform, ignores the minor
wound and heads toward the rude guest.  Turtle comments, "He sure
doesn't look happy.  You know, this reminds me of a heavy metal song."
     "Arrghh!  My coat, my nice coat" I say, adding "They need some gun
control around here."  Looking down, I notice a dwarf.  "ZOT!  It's
ZOT!"
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:48:52
Message Number  8199

   Next he'll use, "I get high with a little help from my friends"
 Which, of course, means High on life.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:50:37
Message Number  8200

   I don't know.... I liked (the song) I can't drive 55..
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ALL                 
Subject: My-Mytha-hmm   
Date & Time: 08/26/90 21:54:23
Message Number  8201

        Where can I get a Mythag Myth Mythagosomethingorother??
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:03:00
Message Number  8202

Sir...
  
  I am aware of the origin of "-phobe" words...as anyone else who uses
the English language is.  
  To use the expression "bullshit term" is rather of a crude way of 
saying that the term described (in this case 'homophobe') is a 
nonsense word.  The word has little semantic value...other than what
the gay community can glean from it.  
  Let me elaborate on what I mean.  The word was made up with the 
specific intent to make those who oppose abnormality (in this case
the normal people) look like there was something mentally wrong with 
them, rather than the ones who were morally devoid and mentally 
deficient to start with.  
  
    I don't even know why you brought that word (for lack of a 
better expression) up.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:11:11
Message Number  8203

Oh, shit...here we go again.
  
  The lifestyle you described is an admirable one, indeed.  If you
can find me a gay who lives like that, then I will not call him scum.
As a matter of fact I don't recall using the word scum.  Although, if
I have, I probably was describing another type of individual.
  
CPU>Prove me wrong.  Say that one's sexual preference is not the 
most important thing about oneself.
 
  What?  How would that be proving you wrong?  I see that you are 
attempting to class me into the nonsense term you used earlier.
The term means nothing.  I think that you have been reading too 
much of "The Jabberwocky" again....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:16:35
Message Number  8204

CPU>...I don't see how it's my place to try to change others away from 
CPU>it.
   What's your point?  What has that got to do with my post to you?
  
CPU>What was I doing with him in the first place?  His brother died; he
CPU>desperately needed to talk with someone.
  
   "Talk"?  He needed to "bed" you...the guy was really in mourning.  
Yeah, bullshit.  Scum.  If my brother died, I wouldn't invite some chick
over on the pretenses of "I need to talk to someone" and then try to 
screw her.  That's pretty low.
  
CPU>...that shakes the boundaries...
  
   Yeah, it sure does.  Scum.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:27:29
Message Number  8205

1.  The Afghan rebels were outnumbered and outclassed
  Yes, they were.  But they were also cohesive.  All of them were on 
the same side.  Let me remind you that S.H. is not a popular leader.
R>the lenght of the battle depends on how long S.H. wants
  More garbage.  If we go to war, there will be no extended war.  We
will invade, and we will take the country.  The war will be on OUR 
terms.
2. Afghans had significantly fewer resources and were fighting on home 
territory. 
  Again, yees.  But they got their resources from the Soviets, were wer
who were careless.  
R>Iraqis are more familiar with...the military tactics that desert 
fighting requires more than the US or Allied forces.
  So what are you saying, that the US will lose more scirmishes because
they don't know desert tactics?  Wrong.  The US military trains 
everywhere.  They are as prepared as the Iraqis (if not more) and can
handle them on "thier own turf".  
R>Nam was considered a "paint by numbers" thing...
Where are you getting your information?  We actually did very well in
Viet Nam.  We could have won the war except for POLITICAL considerations
(we didn't want to rile the USSR).  As a matter of fact, the Tet 
offensive was more of a loss for the VC because they lost more troops
than we did!  As a matter of fact, casualties of the VC side were 
more than all of our injuries and casualties combined!
  
  Honestly, I don't know where you get your info....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:38:38
Message Number  8206

Do you know what SOP stands for?
  
Actually, the figure for intrusive agents is a little higher than that,
(about 100 min) but thats plent of time to get out of a contaminated
area.  And  I don't know what type of mask you have but if it's an 
M17 then you have old, obsolete equipment.  The new masks are much
more comfortable, and you can see much more through them.  Also, 
they are easier to chage the filter on, and better sealing.  
And I hope that you never have to wear one, either.  Really.
  
  You oughta check your info first...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:41:39
Message Number  8207

R>As you are deinately afraid of gays (or so your attitude has lead
R>us to believe) homophobe is an accurate discription.  
  
  And you, sir, are also full of shit.  (Proved by your trying to 
distribute misinformation on military information.)  I don't understand
why you use the word afraid?  That is why "homophobe" is such a 
misnomer.  It makes no sense!  How can anyone be "afraid" of a faggot?
Pansy assed cock suckers.  (or pussy lickers, take your choice.)
  
R>I thought you were dropping this thread?
  
  I tried.  I did try.  You (plural) won't let me.  Between you & Chip,
I have to pick the damn thing up again.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:46:10
Message Number  8208

SW>Come now...I hate war in any way, shape or form... if they drafted
SW>me I wouldn't kill.
  
Then you would die.  And in the process would be responsible for 
someone elses death.  But if you wanted to die, no one could stop you.
  
  Nah, you'd kill.  I'd bet any money.  You
would.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/27/90 00:49:47
Message Number  8209

Lemme get this straight...the guy over at the Dog House will let you use
the equipment on the stage?  Awesome!  When do you want to Jam, I'll 
be there!!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/27/90 01:04:22
Message Number  8211

OH, man, are you forgetting "Heavy Metal"?  Oh, PU-Leeese!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Appearances    
Date & Time: 08/27/90 01:23:21
Message Number  8212

BM>You'll never know.
  
Ah, that'd make me one of the few, then...
  
Promiscu
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/27/90 02:56:42
Message Number  8213

Well Big Lew, I tell you, some people are just sometimes just as scared 
about telling their "family or friends" as them finding out before they
found the "right moment" to tell them... My advice to you is to just do
your normal day to day things and not worry about it..Apparently your 
Sis is feeling the same way you are right now..(confused, what should I
say..etc.)..Give it time. (smile)..Yes its ok that you prefer to remain
your ananimity (sp)..Chat anytime or if you have some questions..I am
very open and never feel uncomfortable about someone asking personal
questions about my lifestyle.
 
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: LUV Connection 
Date & Time: 08/27/90 03:04:02
Message Number  8214

The LUV Connection XXX BBS
Online 24 Hours  300/1200/2400
 
813-755-3289
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 14:28:41
Message Number  8215

     You can get a copy at the Time Machine.  It will cost you $3.50.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/27/90 18:59:56
Message Number  8216

S>
S>And you, sir, are also full of shit.
 
Hmm.  My 'misinformation' is obtained through _very_ reliable sources.
I do really enjoy watching you get reduced to incoherent babbeling, as
it means that you are no longer able to find a logical support for your
stand.  
 
S>How can anyone be "afraid" of a faggot?
 
That's _exactly_ what we have been trying to find out!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/28/90 16:08:40
Message Number  8217

Yeah, well, I gave you some hell today...I guess I'll really have to 
get you tomorrow!  :>
          Lacey
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Appearances    
Date & Time: 08/28/90 16:09:31
Message Number  8218

If you are insinuating that I sleep around, my dear, you are quite 
wrong...you don't know me well enough to even comment on my personal 
life.
             Black Magic
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Vietnam        
Date & Time: 08/28/90 17:01:46
Message Number  8220

We did NOT do "very well" in Vietnam - despite what your D.I.'s or T.O.
or whatever the hell the Army calls them these days told you.  We got 
our asses kicked for many reasons ( including political considerations )
the most important of which was the 365 day rotation policy.  We kept
reinventing the wheel every 365 days.  Just when our troops became
accustomed to the situation and figured out how to fight the damn war
(oops! that's "police action") we sent them home and shipped in a new
bunch of cherries who couldnt cross a rice paddy w/o stepping on their
dicks.  Of course there was also the problem of inept officers who were
more concerned with getting their CIB than getting the job done...and a
civilian population that hated our guts...and the fact that we were sup-
porting a corrupt government...and then there was the ARVN...well, let's
just say that to blame the final outcome of the Vietnam conflict on
political considerations alone is about as informed as Raven's comparing
the current Middle East situation with Vietnam.
                                 The Yngling
"They called in the Air Farce to clear out Hue City,
 The Air Farce arrived on the scene.
 They bombed out three ridges,
 Two villes, and some bridges,
 And seven platoons of Marines!"
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: ...            
Date & Time: 08/28/90 17:15:51
Message Number  8221

Crystal,
I realized the other afternoon ( after I hung up ) that I hadnt wished
you "good luck" re: the phone call you were waiting for.  Sorry, and
Good Luck. :)
                            The Yngling
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/28/90 18:49:05
Message Number  8222

You lie!  You would LOVE a drum machine ... Remember how much you liked
the one at Jon's house?  Drum machines are just bigger and have about 
20 or so drum pads on 'em instead of 10 keys....
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/28/90 18:50:57
Message Number  8223

You're obviously just a babbling relative of Mike Greenwald...  :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/28/90 18:53:14
Message Number  8224

Dip.
Dip.
Dip.
Dip.
Dip.
Dip.
Dip.
  Di
    p.
      D
       i
        p
        .
        D
        i
        p
       \*/
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 18:56:59
Message Number  8225

> ... rather than the ones who were morally devoid and mentally
> deficient to start with.
 
SO you are saying people who aren't homophobic of gay people are 
"morally devoid" and "mentally deficient"!?!?!?!
 
Naughty naughty naughty ... That's not nice, Dave...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 19:28:13
Message Number  8226

> trying to distribute misinformation on...
 
  What someone does or doesn't know about the millitary has NOTHING to 
do with their ability to argue about homosexuality.
 
 > How can you be afraid...?
 
  Voop! Voop! Voop! Non-sequitur alert!
  Sure, I see what YOU mean. You don't think they are a part of life as
we know it, so they aren't going to be a part of your life period. 
That's manifest bullshit (tm). There can be someone who is a perfectly 
fine person, and their sexual preference has nothing to do with it... Do
you hate people because they might  be an alcoholic?? That goes by your 
way of pegging homosexuality as a sickness...
 
  And about dropping the thread. I don't mind reading these messages. I
LIKE reading these messages. Chip  is still willing to debate this topic
also... I suppose you are the one who wants to drop it, right? I guess 
that's up to you, I guess. But I don't want you to feel you must drop it
because NOONE wants to see it. I  /do/.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/28/90 19:38:01
Message Number  8227

 
> have about 20  or so pads on 'em...
 
  Yeah, but you can PLAY that. You don't just turn it on and say "Oh, 
I'll let it play this beat every four seconds for the next two hours."
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: dip?           
Date & Time: 08/28/90 19:40:00
Message Number  8228

> Dip.
> Dip.
> Dip.
> ...etc.
 
  Is the only thing you can tink of when you can't support your position
an insult??
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/28/90 21:54:29
Message Number  8229

>Yeah, well, I gave you some hell today...
 
When, where?  I didn't notice any hell.
 
>I guess I'll really have to get you tommorow!  :>
 
Well, there's /one/ thing to look forward to tommorow.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Uncle Bob's    
Date & Time: 08/28/90 21:58:43
Message Number  8230

Welp, Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm and Tofu Museum will be down untill
Wednesday night.  The Great Aardvark found it fit to piss on my hard
disk (ie, the hard drive crashed, big time).  I can restore the BBS, but
the backups are from August 16th.  Sigh.......
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexual     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 22:29:32
Message Number  8231

Specialist,
I left this message on Rufus' Bbs but since it crashed I'm leaving it
here also to make sure you get it.
   You made a comment on Uncle Bob's that said "homos arent human."
For the last couple weeks you've been arguing that homosexuality is
an illness.  With that comment, I can't help but wonder if you would
also say that epileptics are not human or that cancer patients are not
human?  Or has your insistence that homosexuality is a "sickness" been
merely manifest bullshit (tm) ?
   If you are saying that anyone who suffers from an illness doesnt
qualify as "human," well then bud you just joined the ranks of Saddam
Hussein in the "Pissing Off The Wrong People Dept."
   If it was merely bullshit manifested in an attempt to lend legitimacy
to your arguements then I guess maybe you are just another ignorant
homophobe.
                                    The Yngling
P.S.  In case you're wondering - do I like homosexuals? Not particularly
      .  Do I persecute them? Nope, I just keep my distance as long as
      they keep theirs.  Personally they turn my stomach but I don't
      tell other people what to do in the privacy of their own homes.
      I'm willing to bet there's people that would be outraged at some
      of the things I've done in my bedroom but as long as I don't
      force 'em to watch or do it on the concourse at Desoto Square
      Mall its none of their fucking business (no pun intended).
                                              T.Y.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:03:24
Message Number  8232

   Alright, I've heard about enough. Who are you to say what's 
 <Normal>?  I believe there's no such thing as <Normal>, and even if I 
did, I wouldn't follow YOUR Bigoted, Conceited way.
  Black, White, Red , Yellow, Green, Straight, Bi, Gay..... HUMAN.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homosexuality  
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:07:26
Message Number  8233

  You're no 'Homophobe', you're just bigoted.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:14:21
Message Number  8234

   Hmm, Ya'all think, The Specialist is Mike Greenwald?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Vietnam        
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:16:41
Message Number  8235

 
 
  Dedicated to: The Women of Ireland
 
 I'll taaake you hoome agaain cathleeeeen....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Appearances    
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:31:27
Message Number  8236

Actually, I must apologise...sorry.  I read my message when I logged on
and found that part of a word that I wanted to leave out was still 
included....  
  
  The only reason that I even posted that was because I was trying to
make a joke...again, sorry if I implied the wrong thing.  
  
You are quite right...I don't know you well enough to comment on your 
personal life.  It just strikes me as humorous that you have such a 
good flirtatious rappore with a lot of the guys.  
  
  By the way, the sentence that I was going to write was:
"Promiscuity is not what I am referring to."  But my backspace key and
my return key are close together, and I hit the return by mistake so I 
just decided to leave the line out (it was late and I didn't fell like
(SP FEEL) like messing with it).  
  
"Please understand...I hold you in the highest respect."
  
P.S. to all the guys:  Look guys, don't jump on my case about this...it
was an honest mistake.  I'm sure that many of you will come to BM's 
defence...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: deficient      
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:39:19
Message Number  8237

No, I was not.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Homosexual     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:41:56
Message Number  8238

No, just homos.
And where do people get the idea that I'm trying to tell them what 
to do?  I NEVER said, "Ok, all you homos, STOP THAT!"  They can do
what they damnwell please...I think they are sick, but (AS ALWAYS)
  
  
THATS JUST MY OPINION!!!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/28/90 23:43:54
Message Number  8239

OK.  That's it.  EVERBODY LISTEN UP.
  
(THis includes Beatle, Ken, Chip, Max, Turtle, Spellwind, BM, Raven 
and every other ASSHOLE who's been on my case!)
  
1.  I am not a homophobe.
2.  I do not like homos.  I think that they qualify for the "less than
    human award"  for acting less than human (in ways which I will not
    bother to describe in detail).
3.  I have never TOLD any GAY *not* to be gay...I have told them what I
    think of thier actions (and everybody else) and will CONTINUE to do
    so.
3.  I am sick and FUCKING tired of having to argue my position, which is
    based on OPINION and EMOTION.  (Not on logic, mind you, because my
    position SURE as HELL is not LOGICAL.  So stop trying to pick it 
    apart with logic; you can't argue with a crazy man!)
4.  I am not going to change my OPINION in the future, so stop trying to
    "explain
    "explain" your respective points of view to me!  (Explain-hah!  You 
    are badgering me to death!)
  
PS: Raven, did you enjoy this particular blather? I hope so, because it
is the last time I will say anything further about the issue of 
homosexuality. Period.   
  
5.  So if you guys like the term, homophobe, use it to your hearts 
    desire.  I am confident in the knowledge that I am not.  
  
  
Have fun!
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: HI!            
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:02:35
Message Number  8240

>Just here to say I'm back alive in one piece!
      
   If you want, we can solve that problem for you... :)
    
    Seriously, Ken, welcome back! Good to see ya again (methaphorically
speaking, of course.)
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:04:57
Message Number  8241

>If its not something you can play, then keep it away from me.
     
   Hmm... this opens up a new line of thought. What's the difference
between 'playing' an instrument and just 'running' one? For example,
you said you just 'run' a drum machine. What about synthesizer? Most
of 'em (Well, the good ones, anyway) have one-key "harmony" sections
where they keep a moving base line, play chords in the rhythm you
choose, and usually keep a full percussion sound afterwards. Are you
really 'playing' anything there?
   
   Chip P. Unicorn, who plays a guitar made by 16th-century methods.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:08:48
Message Number  8242

Beatle-
   If you give me directions, the Green B*tch and I will pick you up.
       
   Anyway, y'all -- which weekend is best for the movie?
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:10:20
Message Number  8243

I might (big might) be able to help. I've worked at a video store for
five or six years. (My parents'.) What's wrong with it?
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:11:43
Message Number  8244

My beautiful Lady,
    'Seeing but the flicker of thine eye has made my months of
modem deprivation worthwhile. Thank thee!
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:13:32
Message Number  8245

The only questions: How well can you improvise? Personally, I'm
interested in any kind of band, but I prefer acoustic music to
electrical...
                Chip P. Unicorn
     
Oh, yeah -- the other question. Has anyone told you today that you
have beautiful eyes?
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 00:18:10
Message Number  8246

First and foremost, the term 'homophobe' is neither a bullshit term,
nor does it lack semantic value. For this, I refer you to my original
letter.
Second, it was not created by the homosexual community. It was 
appropriated by the homosexual community (much as the word "furry" has
been by ours), but the original, psychological meaning still lies at
its root. (That is, one who fears homosexuals.) For this, I refer you
to my original letter.
Third, as a psychological term (which is how I wish to use it), it
makes no value judgements about either homosexuality or the fear 
thereof. For this, I refer you to my original letter.
Fourth, some moralities in the world condemn homosexuality. But, so
far as I know, none literally fear it. That is, if you were a perfectly
moral person, it would still be morally proper to be acquaintences --
even friends -- with a homosexual, in the same manner as being 
acquaintences with those who break laws, are disrespectful to their
parents, or disagree with the prevailing opinion. For this, I refer
you back to my original letter.
                    Yours truly,
                          Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Specialist     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 02:34:29
Message Number  8249

 
You think that the Specialist is Mike Greenawald??
No, he is not 
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: ALL                 
Subject: NEW BBS        
Date & Time: 08/29/90 02:40:50
Message Number  8250

Grand Re-Opening...THE LUV CONNECTION XXX BBS
300/1200/2400  24hours  (except Natnl Mail Hours)
Call today.....813-755-3289
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Thanks.        
Date & Time: 08/29/90 10:50:48
Message Number  8252

     Well thank you, it is now Wednesday, and I am still awaiting the 
call.  This is the part I hate most.  I do thank you for the wish, I 
have been told she (the business manager) wants to hire me, and they
are in need of someone soon, but that can also be the problem, not 
enough time to go through the formalities of a new hire, due to so much
work to do.  Again thank you and I do hope the board will not have to be
down during the day too much longer, for my sake and all of the faithful
users on this system.
                                * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: MAX                 
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/29/90 17:11:32
Message Number  8253

The story (with the human and feline alien) is called "Only With Thine
Eyes."  I can give you a copy of the most recent version of the story
(about a year and a half old at this point), from FurVersion	 14....
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 17:25:37
Message Number  8254

NBC suits are expected to withstand 30-60 minutes of "intense" exposure
to chemical weapons, so it'd be closer to what Raven is saying, not what
you're saying.  /This/ information comes from Dwight Dutton, a chemical
warfare engineer with Special Forces who's on his way out to Saudi
Arabia now.  100 minutes is possible, but it sounds decidedly
optimistic.  Of course, gas would be likely to dissipate within an hour
after use anyway, so it's not (necessarily) as bad as it sounds.
   Also, of course, a caveat is that those suits have never been tested
against BIOLOGICAL weapons, and the Pentagon doesn't really think they
offer any serious protection against germ warfare (this according to the
newest issue of Newsweek).
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/29/90 17:29:20
Message Number  8255

I'd assume that Reli /is/ based on	 chromosomes, as I can't imagine any
life form being that close to humans (especially seeing as how we're
talking about an alternate earth story) yet possessing a completely
alien structure.  Chip's argument makes a good devil's advocate line,
but the best response is still, "the author says she ain't a big
housecat, even if she looks like one."  It's easier to think of her as
a cat, just like it's easier to think of Vincent from Beauty & the
Beast as a cat-person (or a whatever-person) than to wrack your brains
trying to work out what his relations to humans, and felines, really is
at a chromosome level.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/29/90 17:37:56
Message Number  8256

With Roth there was dribble.  With Sammy Hagar, we get "Love Walks In"
and "Dreams."  With Roth, we get... "Jamie's Cryin'".  It may be
telling that the best songs VH did with Roth were covers of other
peoples' tunes...
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Okay.          
Date & Time: 08/29/90 17:53:58
Message Number  8257

A long and very nasty spew I wrote to you on Uncle Bob's crashed with
the hard drive.  This is probably just as well.  You got off your
parting rant -- allow me the courtesy of saying something, in a non-
ranting, and hopefully non-offensive way, that hasn't occurred to you.
 
Some of my friends are gay and bisexual.  Every time you posted some
absolute bullshit about "faggots," as far as I was concerned you were
insulting them.  You say you didn't call them "scum," but you pretty
much implied it, didn't you?  You said point blank that you KNEW that
nothing good could come from "them."
 
All my point is that unless you /are/ willing to talk to "them," to see
whether or not your point is right, you don't have any business making
it.  Whether you choose to believe it or not, I /did/ have the same
attitude you did, and I know from experience that a refusal to challenge
your own assumptions is a kind of fear -- it's easier to hate than to
admit that maybe, just maybe, you're overstating things a bit.
 
If I kept your attitude, I wouldn't have some of the friends I have now.
Some of them mean a lot to me.  If I have seemed personally offended by
some of the things you say, it's only because I was.  I know for a fact
you're more intelligent than you've been acting.  Quite frankly, your
"homos aren't human" comment pissed me off a great deal because the
"homos" that I know act a great deal more human than you have been
through this little spew.  Continue in your blindness if you like, but
do NOT continue insulting friends of mine whom you are unwilling to meet
because they are (gasp) different from you.  They deserve better.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Uncle Bob's    
Date & Time: 08/29/90 18:07:09
Message Number  8258

Yes, I'm talking to myself.  Todays magic words are:
recent backups
back-ups of all your files
working hardware
 
I wish I had just one of those, but, alas, I don't.
This means the BBS will be down for a few days.
BTW, does anyone have a working Apple // SCSI card I could borrow for
ONE day?  It'd be real nice.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 18:10:25
Message Number  8259

>   Hmm, Ya'all think, The Specialist is Mike Greenwald?
 
The Specialist is not Mike Greenawald.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 18:14:37
Message Number  8260

Ahh, the Green B*tch, the one car you don't want to call 'shotgun' for.
Actually, there is an Anime meeting tommorow night.  There won't be
any anime, but there will be coke and poptarts, and discusion about the
magazine.  I suppose we can make this a group thing of some sorts...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/29/90 18:16:31
Message Number  8261

>Has anyone told you today that you have beautiful eyes?
 
Your just gonna get her real angry.  Have you seen her shoulder?  Now,
that is what I call cute.
 
<Waiting to get hit yet again, making it 3 out of 4 days.>
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 19:28:14
Message Number  8264

   Specialist, I'll never call you a Homophobe.....Just a bigot.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/29/90 19:31:10
Message Number  8265

  
  But he's not afraid of them, he just hates them....and that makes him
    a BIGOT.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MAX                 
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/29/90 19:35:13
Message Number  8266

   PANAMA!  PANAMA-A!
 
  With Hagar there were whiney please songs. With Roth at least the 
music fit the Rock category...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Okay.          
Date & Time: 08/29/90 19:37:58
Message Number  8267

   If his way is right..Why is everyone against him.......
 
 Specialist : Bigot
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 19:39:47
Message Number  8268

  COKE AND POPTARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can I Go?????
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/29/90 20:44:59
Message Number  8270

 
  In my opinion, when you sit down and tell a machine to play something
over and over, that is not so great, and I don't /really/ care for it. 
It can be useful, but I don't want to do it. If you can get a thing to 
play back rhythms or melodies and you physically do something to play
accompaniment, then you are playing an instrument. 
  I don't want to program a drum machine. I don't consider some types of
electronic  drums "drum machines." While they may literally be machines,
they have drum pads, and you can  hit them with drumsticks. On a 
computer, you "play" the drums by hitting the keys. 
 
        -- An "I wanna be a drummer" Beatle
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 08/29/90 20:49:16
Message Number  8271

 
  No need. I can't believe my cheapskate parents actually PAID someone 
to look at it. I just hope that it works when we get it back. The first 
VCR we ever had was worked on, and then it never worked properly again. 
We took it back six or seven times before we just said "screw it" and 
kept it "as is". It's now a pile in the living room... (my father was 
tinkering with it a few weeks back)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 21:31:39
Message Number  8272

The anime meeting is at Perkins.  No Coke and Pop-Tarts.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/29/90 21:34:32
Message Number  8273

"Panama" was an awful song, and avery typical Roth one....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 22:13:01
Message Number  8274

>  COKE AND POPTARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Can I Go?????
 
Well, change of plans.  There will be no Coke, and no pop-tarts.
 
  ....well, maybe some Coke, and I'm not stopping you from going.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MAX                 
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/29/90 22:15:12
Message Number  8275

>The anime meeting is at Perkins.  No Coke and Pop-Tarts.
 
I posted that message before I found out it was changed to Perkins.  You
know, the anime group is much more organized than the furry group.  The
anime folk warn you the day before of changes.  The furry group might
mention it an hour before.  The anime group ORGANIZES things, the furry
group doesn't.  It's a wonder Mythagoras gets off the ground.  Just how
do you do it?  Lemme guess, Bart's not in charge?
 
 
And Mike Greenawald, don't tell me I'm putrid scum and should kill
myself because of the "Bart in charge" comment.
===========

From: TERRY               
To: ALL                 
Subject: HD/controller  
Date & Time: 08/29/90 22:44:41
Message Number  8276

Hey does any one know where I can get a hd/controller/used preferred.
also if any one needs vcr/tv/monitors/computers/steroes/ worked on call 
me I give free estimates most repaires done in home or offices. leave me
e-mail.
terry
===========

From: TERRY               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/29/90 22:49:45
Message Number  8277

Hi 'Lady' how are you doing I thought i'd pop in and say high.
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: MAX                 
Subject: Letter         
Date & Time: 08/29/90 23:14:41
Message Number  8278

I just read your letter on your "stance" on gay friends, I must say it
was well written...
 
Thank you...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hutchinson's   
Date & Time: 08/30/90 17:35:06
Message Number  8280

  We took our VCR To Curtis Mathes, They were going to charge us $160.
 We took it to Hutchinsons who held it like 2 days and charged $40, and
it works perfectly.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MAX                 
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/30/90 17:37:32
Message Number  8281

  But it was 'Fun'. Music by commie basher Hagar is Crying nowadays, 
Whimpering is better.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/30/90 17:39:36
Message Number  8282

  Where and When?
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:05:43
Message Number  8283

If you're really interested in stopping the "homophobe" discussions,
which you seem to be, then simply don't answer any mail about it.
Including this one. Right now, you seem to be the only person (with
your opinion.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Green b*tch    
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:12:25
Message Number  8284

Ah... what's wrong with calling 'shotgun' in my car? Knees can't
take it?
   Seriously, my father has fixed (kinda sorta -- jurry rigged something
) that fixes the problem.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:14:28
Message Number  8285

>But he's not afraid of them, he jut hates them...
     
   That's the same thing as a pedophobe.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:17:31
Message Number  8286

>The anime folk warn you the day before of changes. The furry group
>might mention it an hour before.
    
   Yes, but do you see how much more relaxed the furry group actually
is?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:23:04
Message Number  8287

Gotta call from The Specialist today - we ought to figure a time and
place.  Maybe after I get the carpet cleaned...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:26:45
Message Number  8288

YNG>I'd be happy to show up &  lend moral support 
 
Awrighhhtttt!!!  Now if we can get more - heck with it we party down!
How many of y'all wanna get together and party?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: weire          
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:28:36
Message Number  8289

YNG>start paying Turtle for all the weire he's providing... hold a
YNG>telethon or something...... 
 
Ummmm - how does "Support Turtle's Weire" with a smiling Yngling 
holding up a keyboard and an modem.
BTW - I saw a book, "The Search for Turtle's Navel" (no shit!) at
B.Dalton this weekend.  I was absolutely blown away...
(besides - I thought he knew where it was).
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:32:40
Message Number  8290

BM>If you need a violinist, I could help...I fool around ...
 
Can ya sing?  And about that fooling around part <smirk>...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:37:03
Message Number  8291

TS>As a matter of fact, casualties of the VC side weremore than ...
 
Well, to set the record straight, for the most part we got our asses
kicked but good the *duration* of the war.  Matter of fact = we were so
humiliated and upset by our staggering losses in this little "police
action" that a special committee was established to find out why.  To
put it bluntly we
A) Put too much faith in our technology and got our butt kicked by
   weaponry that was modified from the Korean war and we passed off
   as "obsolete".
B) We thought that we were hot shit and had the best damned army/air
force around.  Our /attitude/ lost us a lot of good men.
 
We have fixed a lot of these problems but still must guard against the
fallacy of being the best.  Those people sincerely believe that if the
war is declared a holy war, then if they die in a heroic fashion they
are /guaranteed/ a spot in heaven.  They are acknowledged to be one of
the most fervent followers of any religion on the planet.  I would be
awed by the committment alone.  Besides, even with what the other Arab
leaders say now, what happens when they get told by their religious
leaders that we are bad for what we did?   Hell, it's no secret that we
are doing this for economic reasons.  Personally, think about it...
we are invading another country because we lust after a mineral that
happens to lie under their particular soil and /economically/ it would
be bad for us if they wouldn't let us have any.  One hell of a reason to
throw away thousands if not maybe millions of lives, eh?
BTW - as for where I'm at... I spent 8 years in the Air Force, my dad
spent 25, my uncles spent 25 each in both the Marines and Army.  I
love this country and will go to war for it and the /freedom/ to say
I think that we are warring for a bullshit reason.
 
                              A patriotic JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/30/90 20:50:44
Message Number  8292

TS>at the Dog House will let you use the equipment  on the stage?  Aweso
 
Yup,  it's just there for the folks that go there.  Hell Sometimes I
just go up to pick something and they try to turn the mikes on and turn
off the PA system!  I gotta say"no no no... I'm just dinkin around..."
I know most of the people that work there.  Scott screws around with me
up there every now and then...  We ougtta do it.  I'd like to get a 
group of us there and just have fun...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: Thanks.        
Date & Time: 08/30/90 21:04:39
Message Number  8293

C> wants to hire me, 
 
Is this the one with Black Magic's mom?  Good luck! (probably late by 
now but oh well!)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Van Hagar      
Date & Time: 08/30/90 21:06:38
Message Number  8294

I really like Van Halen since they teamed up with Sammy.  I do wish
he would quit trying to /sound/ like DLR tho... I undersatnd that it
is probably in the interest of maintaining a somewhat trademark sound
but you can hear him coming apart on the loud high ones...
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: HI!!!!         
Date & Time: 08/30/90 21:47:39
Message Number  8295

Jonboy -
I'll even buy the first pitcher!
                    The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: weire          
Date & Time: 08/30/90 21:51:41
Message Number  8296

Jonboy,
As the former manager of B. Dalton please refer to it as B.F.D. in my
presence ( I think you can figure out what the "f" stands for ).
                                 The Yngling
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Hutchinson's   
Date & Time: 08/30/90 22:08:25
Message Number  8297

We always go there to get our TV's and VCR.  Very good service.
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From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! 
Date & Time: 08/30/90 22:09:21
Message Number  8298

>Where and When?
 
When was an hour ago, making where a moot point.
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From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Green b*tch    
Date & Time: 08/30/90 22:10:11
Message Number  8299

I could also fix your glove compartment.
 
   ...GE, we bring good things to life and stick them together.
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From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Mr.Ed Dimension
Date & Time: 08/30/90 22:43:36
Message Number  8300

 
 Chip! A place for you! My latest Storyboard creation. The Mr. Ed 
Dimension! Horses are the dominating race! (Actually, more evolved hor-
ses and other animals.....no humans) Beyond Chaos
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