From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:48:55
Message Number  3551

Dear Turtle,
     
>Why clutter up your language with unnecessary impediments?
    
   Why, indeed. And I see that you're not programming with reduced-
instruction set chips, either. (Even though it might be a trifle 
faster.)
   Face it, Turtle -- EVERY language is designed to make it somewhat
easier than programming outright in machine language. Not everyone
is of the philosophy that "If it wasn't done in ML, it wasn't done
right." Sure -- it might be slower; it might take up more memory, but
when the programing is done just for onesself, speed doesn't always
m,atter; I just needed to get one of my ideas for a music program from
an eighteenth-century book that I was reading into the computer's
memory. Strong typing would have saved me about two hours of debugging
time.
  
  Going back to the original topic, a language is meant to be as
general as possible. If there are "impediments" that are unnecessary
to you, the perfect language would "turn them off" (and not have them
as part of the .EXE code.... unlike many of the languages written 
for the IBM.) But let others use that crutch!
        
                The limping programmer
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:56:31
Message Number  3552

Dear Turtle,
    "Prelude and Fugue 1 in C major" is EXACTLY what I am talking
about. It is made almost entirely (except the ending) of major and
minor arpeggiations. The ONLY intricacies are from the choices of
chords that Bach used -- NOT from any "rhythmic" or "melodic"
intricacies. In fact, Paula Abdul uses MUCH more intricate rhythms.
    If you don't believe me, I'll have Steve Miles get a copy of it
on tape. 
     
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:01:37
Message Number  3553

Dear Beatle,
   If you're searching for a list of banned books, there's a book in
the New College library (check the Z-section for it...) listing all
the books the U.S. has banned for import over the years. Fascinating
reading!
    
   By the way, there's been a lot of books that are allowed in to the
U.S. that are banned from some public libraries. That's an even more
interesting list -- including Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, the Bible,
the Wizard of Oz. (There's a heck of a lot more; I can't remember them.)
Banning books is good for children's minds? I doubt it.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:05:26
Message Number  3554

Dear Beatle,
    On second thought, if we ever have a pick-up band, we'd better make
it far... real far... from civilization.
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:09:57
Message Number  3555

Dear Acapulco,
   The Green Hornet is infamous for no acceleration -- but it manages
to clear out most of the rest of the road. It's a diesel station 
wagon (I've fit twelve in it -- ONCE.) which has lots going for it --
for long trips. Speed is NOT its strong point.
   Either car is fine with me.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: D/L            
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:25:45
Message Number  3556

   One thing you might need to be aware of: when downloading, your
computer won't accept an "ABORT DOWNLOAD" in the middle.
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: censorship     
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:44:08
Message Number  3557

  Well, I wasn't actually looking for books that have been censored, I
wanted sources with facts about censorship. Thanks for the fact anyway.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: censorship     
Date & Time: 04/10/90 19:50:26
Message Number  3558

 Sounds like some interesting reading later, but I have until April 30, 
and I don't think the US Snail would get me information in time to write
the paper... I would like to read some of that stuff, though.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:06:48
Message Number  3559

 far... from civilization
 
 Well, I guess you have no confidence in your musical ability. I /think/
I could pick up some good drum beats if I tried.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:13:32
Message Number  3560

I heard that _you_ were the one who tole turtle to get the voice/modem/
scsi board for the sb180! AAAARRGH!
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:16:02
Message Number  3561

It is the same Miss Elaine Nuis.  She has been out of the state for the
past two years.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:19:00
Message Number  3562

Stop gloating!  The modem had me thinking about the other unit, as the
{and the} way Mike has it set up using the 286 as a terminal for the
SB180 is convienent (he is using a TSR package, and keys between mush, 
and the sb180).  Hope he drops the price _significantly_.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:27:24
Message Number  3563

I won't ask what you were doing with the llamas while one read comix,
and the other used the phone...Hmm.
 
The BEAST in a rally?!  This should be interesting . . .
 
            -R-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:31:38
Message Number  3564

To continue:
 
 1: some of us have (gasp) Intel machines, and they tend to make people
    run in terror at the thought of ML or asm., 8088, 8086, 80286
    80386, 80188, 80186, 80288 : seven GOOD reasons to learn C or Pascal
 
 2: If one is just playing with an idea, why _not_ use something quick
    and dirty like pascal.  Hell, I don't care that the little prog to
    convert CR to CR/LF is not quite as small as it could be, or that
    it is not as efficient as it could be.  It works, and works as well
    as is needed.
 
             (hop, hop, hop)
 
               -Raven-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:40:53
Message Number  3565

But the Green Bit, er, I mean Beast, can do 0 to 75 in about five
minuites!  And it can do a 20 degree turn if you sneeze on the steering
wheel.  Last but not least, it is one of the most, um, interesting shade
of green, almose the color of mixe. . . ugh, hold that thought.
 
Hmm.  do you wish a copilot?
 
          -Raven-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:47:11
Message Number  3566

he is good with the guitar, but _DON'T_ let him sing!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:52:26
Message Number  3568

>You, my friend, arrived on the scene _after_ the traumatic events...
Hmm, I remember something happening.  I guess it was just a small
skirmish.
 
BTW, you still doing that mail-order business thing?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 20:59:03
Message Number  3569

Of course my Sugar Coma Brownies are legal!  You can buy all the 
ingredients at your local supermarket.  I'll be happy to eat the first
one!  Just stand back when I start to bounce around.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 21:07:07
Message Number  3570

Chip P. Unicorn, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus, Acapulco, Zot Gnop.....more!!!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/10/90 21:09:00
Message Number  3571

>two llamas, exactly 113.74lb of Velveeta cheese, one red shoe phone...
Does the word 'snizzle' mean anything to you?  I had three flamingos,
6.02 pounfs of salami, a tie-tack satellite communications link, and
an issue of Field & Stream.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Okay...        
Date & Time: 04/10/90 22:04:40
Message Number  3572

Will you be bringing me a tape, or should I just make one for you?
 
You know where I live...you can drop-in anytime you wish...
 
-Me-
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furry Tape ][  
Date & Time: 04/10/90 22:06:17
Message Number  3573

I can drop in anytime this weekend...Hey, this program doesn't have
an option for a private reply....When are you free?  Would you like
me to bring a copy of the Furry Tape ][ along?  (I'll trade you
the tape for the magazine....hehehe)
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 22:13:56
Message Number  3574

     No, that is not what I meant.  But she certainly is trying to be.
Sometimes I wish my TV speaker didn't work sometimes.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: RAVEN               
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 22:17:22
Message Number  3575

     Yes, It was ME who told Turtle to get the voice modem scsi board 
for the SB180.  I also told Turtle, and now I am telling you, and all
the rest of the PDP owners.(the first one that was purchased). All of 
you have exatly one month to get rid of the damn thing, or I will get
rid if it for ALL of you.  And I will not pay you back.  So you can
start now and try to get money for it, or I will do it and I don't 
care to make a profit I want it out of my apartment.  I am not asking
too much.  I am not yelling I am typing loudly.  Call by voice for
more details.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/10/90 22:53:34
Message Number  3576

Gee.  You seem to imply that the S100 bus was faster than the At-bus.  
I am by no means a hardware "dude" but it seems to be that the S100 bus
barely supports 32 bit mu-processors, if at all.  It was designed for 
use with 8/16 bit processors.  I used to own an S100 computer and it
never mentioned 32-bit capability.  Now on the other hand, the S200
"standard" supports up to 128-bit (I think, 64 at least).  Now THAT'S
bandwidth!!!
 
 	       - a hardware Sasquatch
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:06:34
Message Number  3577

Just some thoughts about what you said about TeX or Scribe.  It seems
that most people do not realize that TeX is in the Public domain.  It
is not shareware, or anything like that.  Don Knuth (the author) could
be considered one of the greatest computer scientists there ever was.
Those of you who have read "The Art of Computer Programming" should
know that it was typeset using TeX.  In addition, three commercial
versions of TeX exist: PCTeX, TurboTex, and someother one.  Plus, 
Stanford university has had the sources converted from Pascal to C.
This version, CTeX, should work fine on a PC.  The tricky part about
porting TeX to PC is simply writing the .DVI file converter that
converts the Device Independant stuff to instructions for your printer.
Finally, there exists a public domain IBM-PC version of TEX.  My 
professor at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology has it.
 
 I'm sorry I will not be able to answer any replies made to me for
another month.  I am on a VERY short easter break and I will be
returning to graduate.  However, I have found the quality of convers-
ation on this board to be superior.  I hope that I may have cleared up
some ideas about TeX with this little note.  Thanks.
 
	     - the "TeX" Sasquatch
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:21:46
Message Number  3578

This is my first time on.  So far, I must say ... WOW!  I REAL techie
board!  I read the "neat stuff" and I feel that I admire you for
being able to setup a bbs using Fortrash and the Trash-80.  Ugh!!!
But, Hey!, it works, right ?  Anyway, you probably won't hear from
me again for a month or so since I am returning to engineering school
(Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology) (Yeah, I know. "Never heard of it"
) to receive my B.S. in Computer Science.  However, I did want to
show some enthusiasm as I ask you: "Say, how long do accounts stay
around; when do you delete accounts for being too old ?".  I really
would like not having to log in again (although I must admit, this was
the most painless experience yet...)
I'll be on tomorrow (probably the last time until graduation.)
Or call me 758-3832 anytime reasonable (not too late...)
 - Big-foot himself.
Internet address: perrella@roseVC.rose-hulman.edu
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:32:35
Message Number  3580

LaserMaster makes a controller card to drive a HP that handles all the
dirty work. I'm too drowsy to dig for the specifics, but the result is
noticeably faster than a PostScript printer, with equal or better
quality, depending on the printer.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:35:36
Message Number  3581

Ah, I'm talking about the days before Dana... the sysop was Jim (I 
forget his last name at the moment, bt it will come to me). He was
a salesman at the old Radio Shack Computer Center on 41 in SRQ. It was
the one on the Model III, though.
 
How did you manage to avoid the politics of those days?
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:39:18
Message Number  3582

You skipped me in your run down... I'll be there!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:39:56
Message Number  3583

Oops, I guess you didn't skip me... never mind!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:42:08
Message Number  3584

I think I will drive. With luck I can borrow my brother's Fiera or
my mother's Camaro... why did I have to be the poor one of the family??
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:43:55
Message Number  3585

Oh, my. I really _should_ meet with her someday and catch up on ancient
history!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 23:45:59
Message Number  3586

I'm beyond mail-order (my mail-order days ended when I lost local
BBS support). I'm a respectable consultant now. I even get paid real
money for my services. In fact, I earned $100 just today!
 
{Acapulco}
 
P.S.: I still sell hardware & software, but you would have to use
an Intel-based machine to use what I have, anymore.
 
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: xon/xoff       
Date & Time: 04/11/90 00:45:47
Message Number  3588

Say, does PBBS use XON/XOFF as it's protocol ?  I am using Qmodem
as my telecom prog and it keeps complaining about receiving ^S and
such ?

===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 00:58:22
Message Number  3589

I just got finish debugging a QMODEM 4.1b script to do automatic
login into this BBS.  anybody interested ? If so, leave me a message.
Also: Turtle -- got any objections to me uploading it to the text
database ?
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/11/90 03:46:25
Message Number  3590

S100 doesn't support 32-bit processors any more than the AT bus supports
them -- not that that's stopped 386 manufacturers from doing just that.
The S100 is faster than the XT or AT bus because it has so little
overhead in comparison to, well, just about anything else except maybe
the Apple II bus....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/11/90 03:48:33
Message Number  3591

Well, there's also two commercial versions of TeX for the Macintosh,
oddly enough, as well as a PD version of it for CP/M systems.  It seems
to have 'made the rounds' through a lot of micro operating systems....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 03:50:09
Message Number  3592

I wasn't local to Sarasota then.  I remember calling Nexus once,
ZimmComm a few times (it was also running on a TRS-80, or actually
three TRS-80 Model III's networked together via TBBS and a Corvus
multiplexer), and the Cave a fair number of times.  But, I didn't call
often enough to notice any BBS "politics."  Considering the politics I
notice now, that's probably just as well....
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:11:04
Message Number  3595

>The HP doesn't require font cartridges; you can use downloadable fonts,
>too...
 
Yeah, except that the HP can't use outline fonts directly (they have to
be bitmapped), can't do grayscale even /with/ bitmapped fonts, and
stores its soft fonts in primary RAM (so you have even more problems
with half-printed pages than ever before possible at such an economical
price!)
               --A PostScript/Scribe/Talaris Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:14:23
Message Number  3596

Hey, I don't know about you, but /I/ always turn the Mute on and watch
the video whenever a Paula Abdul video comes on...particularly if it's
"Opposites Attract." 24 frame-per-second animation, a fairly attractive
person, and sexually suggestive activity--what more could you ask for
on a CRT? (Now if there was a Z-System   A0:ROOT>>_   prompt up there as
well, I'd be lovin' it...)
                  --An easily stimulated Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:19:07
Message Number  3597

Bah! If you aren't doing it in Assembly then you're lazy and shouldn't
be doing it at all. If you NEED strong typing to get it done, you should
move out of the way and let someone who knows what he's doing use the
computer. If you need strong typing /and/ a source level symbolic
debugger, then you're obviously a half-baked muffinhead who ought not
use a keyboard with more than, say, 5 or 6 buttons on it, or you'll
strain something. If you can't assemble short pieces of code in your
head, well, obviously you ought to face deportation or the death penalty
for desecration of the computer, you nitwit... Heef! Heef!
                   --A /real/ hacker Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:22:55
Message Number  3598

>There's a heck of a lot more; I can't remember them.
 
Here's a few: Charlotte's Web, Romeo & Juliet, Cathcer in the Rye,
Childhood's End, Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest, Farenheit 451, 2001: A Space Odessey, The Oxford English
Dictionary, the Koran, Ulysses, The Silmarillion, The Lord of the Rings,
Lord of the Flies, Oedipus Rex, Alice in Wonderland, A Clockwork
Orange, Brave New World, 1984, Lolita, The Descent of Man,
and on, and on, and on...Shit like this makes me sick.
                --A disgusted Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: D/L            
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:34:05
Message Number  3599

>...your computer won't accept an "ABORT DOWNLOAD" in the middle.
 
Most of the time it won't accept an Abort Download before you start,
and about half the time it won't even let you select <M>ain Menu
from the Protocol Menu. A rule of thumb...before you download, /make
sure/ that's what you want to do!
                  --A boy-don't-I-love-PBBS Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:36:40
Message Number  3600

My recent acquisition of the SB-180 has put me in the embarrassing
position of actually /wanting/ an MS-DOS machine. I've given it a 
whole lot of thought, and come to the conclusion that an XT or AT clone
is the ideal terminal for the SB-180. The 180 can read and write to
MS-DOS disks, the MS-DOS machine is fast enough to keep up with the
180 as long as you slow the 180 down to 9600 baud, the MS-DOS
machine is capable of doing rudimentary processing of its own off-line
while the SB-180 is busy, and if nothing else, the MS-DOS machine is
cheap...less expensive than, say, a reasonably good DEC smart terminal,
even if it is rrreeeaaalll ssslllooowww. All in all, a fitting front-
end for the SB-180.
                    --A Z Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:44:55
Message Number  3601

Accounts usually go away in 30 days, but if you're going to be back I
can see to it that yours sticks around. This system is most likely
going to be switching software and/or hardware very soon; I'm thinking
about (a) running an RCP/M on this computer; (b) running OS-BBS on the
Model I to my left; (c) running an RCP/M on the SB-180 next to me;
(d) converting this system to BYE4 once it gets written; or
(e) experimenting with a couple of other software packages I have for
this machine in native mode. PBBS is beginning to drive me bonkers;
any time I want to change something, it's get out the debugger, find
the spot I want to change, stick in a Jump instruction to a higher
spot in memory, get out the assembler, write the new routine, ...
The Scanning for mail, Last Visitor, Sysop is/is not in attendance,
and logoff screens were all done that way by Donthen & myself...you
gotta wonder at that sort of dedication to a software package that's
as bad as this one. *sigh* Anyway, the idea of an RCP/M is beginning
to appeal to me more and more as time goes by, so who knows.
                 --A hacker Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: xon/xoff       
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:51:32
Message Number  3602

PBBS will respond to XON/XOFF but doesn't generate any handshaking
codes of its own. I've had a few other QModem users complain to me
about really weird problems when they call this board, though, so I'm
not convinced the problem is strictly PBBS's fault. It's possible that
line noise is the culprit, as well. Sorry I can't be more helpful...
                  --A baffled Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 05:54:12
Message Number  3603

No objections to uploading it, although I'll probably make it
<O>ffline so that it doesn't take up any of my all-too-limited
space unless somebody actually wants to download it. Normally I try
not to keep hardware or software specific stuff around, since I really
don't have the space for it, but that sounds like something a few users
might be interested in so I won't mind if you send it here...
                --A floppy Turtle
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:36:17
Message Number  3604

Dear Beatle,
     
>...I guess you have no confidence in your musical ability.
    
   No confidence? Of course not.... but that didn't prevent me from
being a professional for about six months. (Fun time!)
     
    I'm sure you'd be able to pick up some good drum beats with a
little practice... but I've learned that playing the drum is a LOT
more difficult than it first seems. (Playing -- not just beating on...)
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:38:46
Message Number  3605

-R-,
   Yeah -- it really should prove interesting to see me in a rally.
I can only gallop at about 45 mph -- but I can use shortcuts through
fields... (Wait a sec. Fields? In downtown Sarasota?)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:40:10
Message Number  3606

Dear Raven,
   I AM learning assembly language for the 8088. It's a LOT easier
than assembly language for the 6502.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:41:07
Message Number  3607

My captain,
   I already have a possible co-pilot of Acapulco Gold. But -- as the
"average" team is supposed to consist of four members -- I'll need
a navigator. If it's okay with Acapulco.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:42:20
Message Number  3608

>He is good with the guitar, but _DON'T_ let him sing!
     
   I beg your pardon! I'll have you know that I am performing a SOLO
in the upcoming choir perforance. (Steve needed a squak in the middle
of a piece of sound effects...)
   Seriiously, I agree. My singing stinks. But that won't stop me from
trying for the upper choir next semester.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:44:38
Message Number  3609

>Does the word 'snizzle' mean anything to you?
    
No.
     
>I had three flamingos, 6.02 punfs of salami, a tie-tack satellite 
>communications link, and an issue of Field & Stream.
    
Yes, but it wasn't for a top-secret government project.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:48:46
Message Number  3610

Dear Acapulco,
>I think I'll drive.
     
   Good choice. Having a unicorn driving a Fiera makes many people 
stop and think for a second --causing many accidents on 41 -- but
just having one in the passenger's seat doesn't put off TOO many...
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:50:39
Message Number  3611

Dear Sasquatch,
   Sure! Please upload the script! I've had a few problems with mine.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:53:34
Message Number  3612

Dear Turtle,
   Yes, and if you can't solve the problem in at least eight different
languages, then you're a hideously incompetant programmer. If you
don't instantly understand instantly an APL program (uncommented, of
course), then you should stick with mice, icons, and Pac-Man. 
   May the seventh son of your seventh son fail Data Structures.
       
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/11/90 09:58:48
Message Number  3613

Dear Turtle,
   Actually, I might be able to get a list of books my old high school
library will not buy... Most of those sound like they were on the list.
(Yeah -- but it has some twelve translations of the Bible!)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: DAVE                
To: TURTLE              
Subject: new user       
Date & Time: 04/11/90 14:21:34
Message Number  3614

Hey Turtle,
		    I've been having fun reading thru the messages on your board.
Just a quick note to let you know that you have some really neat mesages
areas.  Well until next time online.
                      Cya,
                        Dave B)}
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/11/90 15:31:22
Message Number  3616

Turtle,
   Was there a third book in the Crystal Singer set?  Ive read "Kill-
ashandra" (about a six on a scale of ten) but cannot recall a third
title.
   I agree w/ your assessment of the draggin'...oops thats /dragon/...
novels - but I think the latest is worth reading (when it is released
in paperback).  I /really/ liked the ending.
                        The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 15:37:45
Message Number  3617

I plan to attend the rally but cannot /guarantee/ it because of the
nature of my job.  I never know if I'll have to work or not.  Can you
put me down as a "probably?"
                            The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 15:40:43
Message Number  3618

You wound me sir!  I am a true lover of dance. Honest. Really. I'm not
going to let you talk to my wife at the Rally...thats for sure. :)
                                The Yngling
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 16:30:32
Message Number  3619

  24 frames per second in "Opposites Attract"?? I think the animation in
that video sucked. In a few places, it was misplaced. In most places, 
the cat's lip-synch was way off. But of course, your mute is on...
  Watching Paula Abdul isstill on my mind during the video, though... 
give me "Cold Hearted" any day though.... :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/11/90 16:34:50
Message Number  3620

> --A disgusted Turtle
 
  I share your sentiment EXACTLY... I must admit that I haven't read too
many "classics" or books on the list, but I still think that they should
be there if I get the urge to read them! I read "2001: A Space Odyssey",
and now that I see it on a list of banned books, I'm curious as to WHY.
 
         --A REALLY disgusted Beatle
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 18:33:10
Message Number  3621

One more reason why to use LaserMaster with the HP.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 18:36:22
Message Number  3622

_FOUR_ members? I'm used to two member rallies! I think Fox wanted in,
and Raven could round it out (but how do I fit them in my brother's
Fiero?).
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: okey dokey     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 19:10:51
Message Number  3623

Ok, I'll upload my script.  I must warn you -- there is a problem with
it.  Sometimes, it seems that this BBS has a lot of line noise assoc-
iated with it at login time.  This can screw this script up.  If you
see a lot of stuff come up and the script does not repond - press
<ESC> and <A> to abort the script.  This is the best I can do for
the limited amount of time I am in this area.
By the way, this is for Qmodem 4.1b (registered).  It should work
with previous versions too.
   - Ole Big foot.
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real Hackers   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 19:16:09
Message Number  3624

REAL hackers hookup a wire patch-board into their computer and hardwire
EVERYTHING!		
  -- Tired of ASM
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Okay...        
Date & Time: 04/11/90 20:31:09
Message Number  3626

I'll bring you a tape.  And, I don't know where you live.  Beatle 
directed me that day, and the Meadows all look alike.  The clone houses
from hell...
I'll get you a tape one of these days.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 20:37:10
Message Number  3627

>I'm beyond mail-order...
Is that like being beyond help?  Oh well, just thought I'd inquire.
Suppose I'll skim through some magazines (once I have money to buy one.
Maybe I'll set up a lawn chair at Publix and read for a few hours) and
find what I need.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/11/90 20:45:40
Message Number  3628

Well, if 'snizzle' doesn't mean anything to you, then you wouldn't 
recognize anything else.
 
BTW, it was a top-top-secret project.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 20:47:13
Message Number  3629

Fiero?!  You mean those little, itsy bitsy cars that are made of 
fiberglass?!  Hehe, I'd like to see you (being a unicorn) fit into one
of those!  hehe....you can barely fit a human in one.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 20:51:02
Message Number  3630

>but how do I fit them in my brother's Fiero?
You could stick them in the sorry excuse for a trunk.  I went in one of
those to NC.  It wasn't all that bad, except for the fact we had to
pack an igloo cooler and a large camera bag into the front passenger
spot with me.  I did like the fact we could zip under the semi trucks!
:)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: no problem...  
Date & Time: 04/11/90 21:06:52
Message Number  3631

I'll wait!  :)  
 
Hey, I think I can tie into a JapAnimation Echo (If I ever get my node
number!)...that is from California -- Valley Of The Wind BBS is the
host...Anyways, all in flavor say "I"...I wish I could find out how
much all this will cost!  :)  But I'll have money to burn...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Cp/m and AMIGA!
Date & Time: 04/11/90 21:08:43
Message Number  3632

Hey, I found a Cp/M EMULATOR on a BBS -- it is for the Amiga and 
says it works real good....I'm going to try and download it...
 
Only Amiga makes it possible....On what other computer can you:
 
- Multitask
- Run Mush-DOS Software
- Run Unix
- Run Macintrash Software
- Run Cp/M Software
- Run C=64 Software
- Run Atari Software
 
All for under $2000!?  (And don't forget AMIGA software, too!)   :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Up-And-Coming  
Date & Time: 04/11/90 21:18:43
Message Number  3633

Okay everyone -- Here is some information on the BBS software I am
thinking of purchasing (Why am I not posting on my board?  I have no
idea why!)
 
* X-Modem, X-Modem 1K, Y-Modem Batch, SEAlink, CRC-32 Batch Z-modem w/
  Resume.
* ARCs, LHARCs, ZOOs, etc... may be viewed while online.
* Fullsupport of FidoNet Echomail and Netmail
* Powerful Message Command Line Editor
* Message quoting 
* Text searching for certain text through /EVERY/ message online or
  selected messages.
* User may mask-out unwanted MB's for global read.
* Marked message read.
* Locate original message, replies, and thread message read.
* Marked message read.
* Mail may be read apon login.
* Users may select ranges of messages, have them ARCed, ZOOes, or
  ZIPed and download to read at their leisure.
* A single message may be sent to select users based on names and/or
  access.
* sysop may optionally allow anonymous messages.
* Files may be attached to messages.
* DOORS!
* Supports FIDO Crashmail, Hold-mail, poll packet generation,
  and ARCmail.
* Attached files and file requests supported
* BinkleyTerm 2.0+ compatible.
 
Think I should get it, everyone?  It looks really great to me!  And 
it will be even better if I get the FIDO setup properly....I believe
I'll be the only one in this area (Florida even!?) that will be
carrying some of these echos that /were/ exclusive to california, 
but thanks to some nice SYsOps (Including SYsOp of Valley of the
Wind and /hopefully/ Stormgate Aerie)....I'll keep everyone informed!
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 21:56:41
Message Number  3634

eep.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 22:03:31
Message Number  3635

Am currently using the software that mik had hooked to the sb180
it does a great job of swapping, as long as you are only running 
software that does not trey to use the com ports whilte it is in use.
but the vt-102 emulation takes a little getting used to (backspace, et a
all).  Oh ran across a product that converts MFM hard drives to SCSI.
It works with 20m hdds (ie st225) and I am not certain about either
availibility , pricing, or compatibility with other drives.  But it
sounds like a way to get _cheap_ scsi drives.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/11/90 22:10:11
Message Number  3636

Qmodem a has a quicklearn mode, and generated scripts on the fly.  It
Pprobaobly isn't necessary to put it in the mfile areas at all, but
I would like to take a look at the script sometime.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:26:30
Message Number  3637

Just so long as I don't catch you shoving some in your gas tank then
it's Okay........
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:27:25
Message Number  3638

Zot Gnop?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!............huh?
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:28:58
Message Number  3639

   A feable attempt on her part. I think her videos probably have an
audience (for the.....ahhhem, music), but I'm not in it. Video-music is
a feild where sometimes a lousy band can get a great producer and make
something worth watching....and a great band can get a lousy producer
and make a 3-minute piece of garbage. 
   Try putting the stereo on and turning the TV down (ie-MTV), you'd
be amazed at how much better some videos become matched up to the wrong
song...(or maybe it was the beer?).
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:34:36
Message Number  3640

One plus one......glad you saw #3546. For this I don't intend on skippin
anyone......see'ya
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:37:39
Message Number  3641

Paula Abdul is some pretty complex stimulation, The Golden Girls would
be 'easy' stimulation. The animation in that is good, but I think they
could have done more the characterization....pretty bland.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:40:52
Message Number  3642

One probably......hell, this ain't no contract Rally. But if you don't
show, Vinnie will check out your excuse (or give you one)...hehehehe
....just kiddin'.    Hope you can show......ssssssssssssssSNAKEBYTE .  .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:43:33
Message Number  3643

Don't worry about me conversing with your wife....after all, you'll
have the same chance to converse with mine. I ain't no fool!!!!!!!
Yeah....dance lover.....a true artist.....yeah....that's the ticket.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/11/90 23:46:31
Message Number  3644

Just a hint. Most Road Rallies tell you where to go, so all you need
is a map and a good sense of direction. In THIS one, you get clues, NOT
directions. First you must figure out the clue and THEN go there. The
more in a vehicle, the better your chances of figuring them out quick.
Kind of a city-sized game of Pictionary.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 01:25:57
Message Number  3645

The HPLJIII supports scalable fonts.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/12/90 01:32:33
Message Number  3646

>>I had three flamingos, 6.02 pounds of salami, a tie-tack satellite
>>communications link, and an issue of Field & Stream.
 
>Yes, but it wasn't for a top-secret government project.
 
I think I heard about it, It was one of those "XXX SuperTopDouble-
Secret affairs. They keep the soviets from finding out about it by
sending a press release to the Enquirer. Russian spies don't have
"Enquiring mind's" that "want to know!"
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 01:37:14
Message Number  3647

Chip, you've got a laptop right? What are you doing using Qmodem?
I've got a copy of Telix 3.12 and a logon script that puts the BBS
name in the left hand corner of the screen... such neat stuff!
Anyway, as far as I can tell, Qmodem does nothing Telix doesn't 
(and /doesn't/ do a few thing's, like internal Zmodem) and takes
five times the disk space, and twice the memory!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:38:49
Message Number  3649

>If you don't instantly understand an APL program (uncommented, of
>course), then you should stick with mice, icons, and Pac-Man.
 
My sentiments exactly. Comments are redundant; the code is obvious.
 
May the seventh goldfish eaten by your seventh cat taste like
fourteen inches of cardboard.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DAVE                
Subject: new user       
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:41:18
Message Number  3650

Well, hey, thanks, dude. Enjoy!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:41:52
Message Number  3651

Nope; there's only two books in the Crystal Singer set. (Make "the
books after Crystal Singer" read "the book after Crystal Singer" and
chalk one up for a noctournal Turtle who was typing at some unghodly
hour...) "Killishandra Rhee" (did I spell that right??) is just plain
bad...unfortunate, since I liked "Crystal Singer" a lot. Such is life,
mine at least.
              --A semi-literate Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:44:14
Message Number  3652

>24 frames per second in "Opposites Attract"?? I think the animation
>in that video sucked.
 
Look at it again. I single-stepped through the video in a VCR; it's
animated at a full 24 fps, and the integration of animation and live-
action is totally seamless. Pay particular attention to the sequence
where Paula and MC Scat Cat are walking in opposite directions on the
staircase and the sequence where MC Scat Cat is lying on top of her on
the car seat...in the latter, if you freeze the frame you will notice
that Paula's fingers are interlaced /perfectly/ with the cat's. I can't
say about the sound synchronization, though; I've never seen the entire
video with the sound on.
               --An easily impressed Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: okey dokey     
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:49:11
Message Number  3653

The "lot of line noise" stems from the way PBBS/H handles baud rate
checking. PBBS/H sends its "Press <Return>" message first at 1200
baud, then waits for a CR from the modem port; if it gets a character
that ISN'T a CR, it assumes the baud rate is incorrect, switches
to 300 baud (or 2400 baud, depending on how fast the sysop's modem is)
and sends "Press <Return>" again. It will keep cycling like that
until it finds a CR at one of the baud rates. If there's a way to do
it in Q's script language, you might write the script to keep sending
CR's after every input stream until it "sees" the PBBS/H Connect
message, then continuing with the script. (Of course, there's probably a
better way to do the baud checking, but I can't think of one...)
                    --A noisy Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: Real Hackers   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:52:49
Message Number  3654

>REAL hackers hookup a wire patch-board into their computers and
>hardwire EVERYTHING!
 
Only if it's easier than manually relocating your bootstrap routine into
high memory so you can keep it out of the way of a particularly
interesting piece of code that you're trying to look at that doesn't
want to be looked at...I've done it both ways. (Of course, a patch
board makes it /real/ easy to put a 4-digit hex 7-segment display on
the machine's address lines so you can keep an eye on what it's
doing while you're at it...)
              --A real hacker Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Cp/m and AMIGA!
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:57:06
Message Number  3655

Now all you need to do is write a virtual Z-System on your
Amiga CP/M emulator...yeah! yeah! Running CP/M on the Amiga isn't
likely to be /too/ helpful, though...it's kinda hard to find 3.5"
disks in Kaypro 4 format... :)
                --A Z Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Up-And-Coming  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 03:59:04
Message Number  3656

>Think I should get it, everyone?
 
Only if you promise not to use Binkley with it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Not Road Rally 
Date & Time: 04/12/90 04:00:34
Message Number  3657

>Zot Gnop?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
Zot Gnop. The "G" is pronounced, not silent.
 
>huh?
 
Zot Gnop. He's one of Rufus' stranger friends, and is most noted for
provoking other people into amazing physical attacks upon himself and
his computers.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 04:02:39
Message Number  3658

>You'd be amazed how much better some videos become matched up to the
>wrong song...
 
You don't even need MTV for that. One of the most remarkable video
experiences of my life came while I was listening to Ozzy Osborne at
about 110 dB while watching a PBS documentary on the egg-laying
habits of sea turtles on a wide-screen TV...
                --A video Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 04:09:32
Message Number  3659

>The HPLJIII supports scalable fonts.
 
Really? You mean three versions later HP finally caught up with
one f PostScript's less flashy features? Oh boy.
            --An unimpressed Turtle
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:29:18
Message Number  3660

Dear Beatle,
   I agree that the dancing in "Cold Hearted" was excellent -- but
the song still lacks -uh...- depth. 
               
    Am I the only person on this board who hasn't seen the video
for "Opposites Attract"?
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:31:01
Message Number  3661

Dear Beatle,
   2001: A Space Odyssey was banned from some libraries due to (*SIGH*)
Christian influences. How so? The ending of the book strongly implies
the creation of a new god out of what was once Dave Bowman. (2010
confirms it.) This is entirely against the First Commandment: "Thou
shalt place no other gods before Me..."
   I wonder: how many people, after reading 2001, decided to start
worshipping David Bowman?
       
   Oh yeah -- it not only implies that humans can become gods, but also
a hierarchy of gods (who created the god/being that was once Dave) that
are entirely outside the Christian religion.
    
   Isn't fundamentlism wonderful? Doesn't it give a nice, wide view of
the world to its adherents?
                     The born-again, ex-fundamentalist.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:37:41
Message Number  3662

I BELIEVE an earlier message wanted four members on each team. Now
that I think about it, that does sound a little strange...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:39:22
Message Number  3663

>BTW, it was a top-top-secret project.
     
   For which government? (Even the GOVERNMENT I worked for was a 
classified country. Hmph!)
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:40:34
Message Number  3664

>I'd like to see you (being a unicorn) fit into one of those!
      
   Laugh while you may, tailed human. If Acapulco runs out of gas,
I'll be able to pull it REAL easy. (Unlike the Green Thing.)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Up-And-Coming  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:44:04
Message Number  3665

Dear Ken,
   Sounds great! You might see another furry face on your board 
sometime soon. (I limit myself to five BBS's at a time, and I'm
dropping one or two, now.)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:47:44
Message Number  3666

>They keep the Soviets from finding out about it by sending a press
>release to the Enquirer. 
    
Actually, it's much, much worse than that. Only the Weekly World News
will be running it.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:49:15
Message Number  3667

Dear Corwyn,
    Does nothing Telix 3.12 doesn't do; more features; less memory...
   I'm hooked. Ya interested in giving me a copy?
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 11:51:00
Message Number  3668

>May the seventh goldfish eaten by your seventh cat taste like
>fourteen inches of cardboard.
     
    Hmph! May the Seven Golden Horses of Paradise swish their tails in
your face. May your TRS-80 develop a memory parity error at location
7777h. May seven nearsighted, amorous dogs mistake your leg for a
French poodle. May fourteen scratches develop on your copy of Animals.
May you find three and a half misspellings in your copy of Mythagoras.
May seven of your computers be mysteriously transformed into Intel
machines. May fourteen of your friends give you neckties for Christmas.
May you be forced to eat seven Big Macs. May seven furries show up
at your house unexpectedly.
                    Thfffffffpt!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Up-And-Coming  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 13:01:54
Message Number  3669

> Only if you promise not to use Binkley with it.
 
WHy not?  
 
-Ken Ober
  
BTW -- WHy haven't you calle d my board lately?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Up-And-Coming  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 13:03:05
Message Number  3670

Nice...That's great!  It'll be ni{ce t{o see you finally calling{
my board{.....{And I'l{l{ hacve the new {m{odem, so you'll be able
to connect properly!
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 15:59:56
Message Number  3671

Sure, I'll drop by your room later, Steve Rosenbluth has my floppy w/
Telix on it right now, but I'll just put it on another one, if I don't
get it back from him.. oopss, just realized, you probably don't have
5.25" drives (brilliant deduction there) I'll set up my BBS temporarily,
and we can d/l it from there!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/12/90 18:58:46
Message Number  3672

Gee - funny *I* never noticed any of those things... ('cept grits -
yum yum!).  Most of the Nazi's and haters of black and Jewish flesh
live in California Idaho & that area of the Pacific northwest.
All of the fanatic religious havens & cults - ditto.  Stupid cops
that sway from the weight of theire badges - they're everywhere!
Pickup trucks full of redneck chauvinists? Utah, Idaho, Nevada and
in general anywhere between Dallas and LA.
 
                  A Southern (and damned proud) JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:04:35
Message Number  3673

Lets hook em all up in a neural neurotic nebulous network!!
Yeah! We can do it!!!
 \
                          Lost in the BitStream JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:08:21
Message Number  3674

Gee - I usually make my names meaningful - how many kinds of bytes could
there be? Lessee signed 8 bits - unsigned 8 bits - (in C these could
both be chars) then in C a short signed or unsigned int. - then we get
fancy and make a structure with 8 1 bit - bit fields and call it a byte
and if we sprechen Pascal ala UCSD then we can make a packed record with
8 boolean members!!!   Never mind....
((&^(&$$! computers anyway)
                             A recessive JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:12:16
Message Number  3675

I just got a great CD by an Irish 12 string player - Luka Bloom - wow!
Thanks for the tip I'll keep an eye peeled.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:15:07
Message Number  3676

I Love to Jam!  Tell me - what 'zactly are furry *parties* (as seperate
and distinct from just furry) like - someone told me they were like
costume parties and I told him that from what I'd heard he was full
of it (this particular "individual" is one of those who thinks anyone
that drinks imported beer is "weird")  I am curious tho --- what 
kind of location/time would be good?  When's the next party?\
 
                         JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:19:38
Message Number  3677

Yayyyy!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:25:30
Message Number  3678

I've got Mobile Fidelities release Of "Waitin for Columbus" by Little
Feat... hah!  Sounds BETTER than the CD!  BTW for you real youngsters 
out there - check out Little Feat when Lowell George was alive _Ye-Ha!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: LaserJet ///   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:27:10
Message Number  3679

We just looked at a new LaserJet /// it's supposed to have whiz-bang
resolution and able to modulate the dot density to smooth the "jaggies"
but - --- ho Hum...  the samples that it spit out didn' impress me.
Maybe when something is available as a "real" product will it be
shown what the capabilities are.
 
                              A Blase' JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: <snigger>      
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:29:46
Message Number  3680

<snurk> <giggle> <gasp!> 
>> I'm having a hard time placing tit to face <<
<heheheheheheheheheh>
I'm sure that was an honest typo but <!!gasp!!>
I really needed a good belly laugh!  Thanx
 
                       A Tittilatted JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:33:25
Message Number  3681

Sighhhhhh - But - she's rich*   Whadda comment on our society hey?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:35:34
Message Number  3682

I know - kinda like Rocky XVMIVII - she just draaaaaaaaagggggggssssss
the series out to the bitter end.  Why can't authors figure out
when to kill a series clean before they muck it up?  Look at 
Clarke's Space Odessey series - I haven't touched it.
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: 'Puters        
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:37:54
Message Number  3683

My new 85 megger is a SCSI drive - I might be the guys seller up here.
I paid $525 for mine with an MSDOS controller.
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:40:04
Message Number  3684

Pretty nice summation there bud!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:41:28
Message Number  3685

HA!  I'd forgotten that little tidbit about Creative (Istill have some
of those issues!)  Hell I have a typesetting program for my Apple that
will talk to the big Phototypesetters and do bitmap graphics to boot.
I guess it's a matter of preference.  Postscript is supposed to be 
getting a facelift.  Looks too much like FORTH to suit me but it can
be fun to write if positioning isn't a big issue.  I hate it when you've
scaled something and then try to position something else - Bullshit - 
that's when the Desktop pubs come out even tho they aren't real accurate
they can dump PS out then I can fine-tune it.  I really do have better 
things to do with my time (like log on here!)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:47:19
Message Number  3686

Forgiven - I understand how easy it is to work up a really 
good Righteous Sweat.  Yeah my friend and I really like to piss off the
morons in the supermarket lines that have a copies of the "SUN" and
"National Enquirer" by reading the really "juicy" headlines and 
roaring with undisguised mirth.  We've actually had people put them 
down, turn red and leave mumbling about how they were "buying them for
a friend"!  Really ?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Secret?        
Date & Time: 04/12/90 19:51:28
Message Number  3687

So what's the Secret?  I read about it in last weeks "AeroSpace
Defense Weekly".  They were under the impression the Daffy Duck was
a mistake.
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: patch-board    
Date & Time: 04/12/90 20:07:56
Message Number  3688

I certainly hope that you have not had to do such relocation. If so,
I pity you...
	      - A "generous" Sasquatch
===========

From: SASQUATCH           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: checking...    
Date & Time: 04/12/90 20:10:29
Message Number  3689

Yes.  Qmodem can send a cr until it sees Connect.  Here is how,
(I think):
	     Send "^M"   ; send the carriage return
     timeout 1 nogood
nogood:
     Send "^M"   ; send the CR
     waitfor "Connect" ; go to nogood when not found.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/13/90 04:38:48
Message Number  3690

>May seven furries show up at your house unexpectedly.
 
Lessee...that'd be Lekai, Cassie Burma, Tundra, Gadget, Juka,
Omaha, and Erma Felna, right?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/13/90 04:44:51
Message Number  3691

>...what 'zactly are furry *parties*...
 
Parties of furfen, of course! A furry party is a social gathering of
people who are interested in furry fandom; they usually include a
bunch of animation, a whole lot of talk about computers and furrydom,
weird movies, ritualistic abuse of vegetables, seminars on bondage
techniques, that sort of thing. Don't know when the next Furry Party
is scheduled, although it'll probably be happening sometime toward the
end of April by the looks of things...RufusCon '90 is right around the
corner...
               --A furry Turtle
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Okay...        
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:21:51
Message Number  3692

> The clone houses from hell...
 
  hey, I like that.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:33:07
Message Number  3693

  Well, okay, I guess they did have 24 fps animation, but it has a look
like they were trying to do "Roger Rabbit" type stuff on a low budget.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:38:13
Message Number  3694

Dear Chip,
   I never said I watched the video for "Cold Hearted" for the song, nor
did I specify that the dancing was what I was watching (although that's 
part of it)
   And, yes, you probably are the only one here who hasn't seen 
"Opposites Attract", unless some of us have gone out of their way to NOT
see it. If you watch MTV for a couple hours this weekend (make it about 
three, and not in prime time) you will see the video.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:42:17
Message Number  3695

 Ah, I thought that may be it. My other guess was that the opening 
favors evolution over creation... I wonder why these loonies haven't 
tried banning the MOVIE (or have they?)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:51:14
Message Number  3696

>Look at Clarke's Space Odessey series - I haven't touched it.
  
  Well, he first book was excellent. There have only been three. /I/ 
wouldn't call that dragging it out...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 10:56:08
Message Number  3697

> ...nd of April...
 
  Another one so soon?
 
>RufusCon '90 is right around the corner...
 
  Really? Where? (or should I say WHEN?)
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/13/90 13:06:43
Message Number  3698

Dear Corwyn,
   Thanks for the shareware program! I'm using it right now to call
this board -- gonna have to port over all my phone numbers from QModem.
I somewhat miss being able to press F2 and get whatever password is
on the current system (how I have QModem set up...), but I'm going
to learn the script language ASAP.
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/13/90 13:08:36
Message Number  3699

Dear JonBoy,
   Huh? I thought that most of the racists (especially against blacks)
were here, in the South... Funny of me to think of historical sources...
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/13/90 13:11:53
Message Number  3700

Dear JonBoy,
   Furry *parties* are a "come as you are," extremely informal kinda
thang... If these were real furry parties, we'd have several animators
drawing quick sketches in books as part of the thang.. unfortunately,
not many of us can do that on the fly. 
   They are very weird. They try to be. 
   The next REAL furry party that I know of will be at Oasis, in
Orlando next month. Bart Fox is in charge.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 13:15:34
Message Number  3701

>...that have copies of the "SUN" and "National Enquirer"...
     
   I've always wondered on what substances the writers for the
Weekly World News are on. I want to try some, sometime...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Secret?        
Date & Time: 04/13/90 13:17:40
Message Number  3702

>So what's the Secret?
   Hah! You just read the disinformation campaign set out by the
government! The real secret will emerge on June 30, 1995.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Road Rally 
Date & Time: 04/13/90 16:23:03
Message Number  3704

 Sounds like the kind of guy we need around hereclAJSG ?vgkzxvlgfbzo[be
aFbkjeopkpfdzlk.......damn it.....my Homelite 16" keeps falling on my
keyboard.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 16:24:31
Message Number  3705

Sounds like a religous experience to me. At Myrtle Beach SC at high 
school graduation, we had about 20 people staying in one room. Partying
down one night, a freind of mine grabbed a fly out of the air (there 
were plenty of flys with all the empty beer cans laying around), we had
kind of made a sport of it, and the announcer on the radio that was 
playing said "That fly just got a free ride!!!". We all just kind of 
looked at each other and the fly was let loose.........stranger things
have happened.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 16:29:44
Message Number  3706

At work there are about four girls that trade off durning the day as
receptionist, and they collect those rags up there. Listening to them
talk, I thinks they beleives 'em, too. Wow. I just appriciate the
ability of the 'reporters' immaginations to think that crap up. They're
almost as bad as some 'posts' I've seen......hehehehehehehehehe.....erp!
Gotta run, I here a few White Russians callin' me.......seee ya'
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/13/90 16:35:26
Message Number  3707

Hey gang, NO limit....If you want to be alone...Okay, If you want to
put eight people on the roof.....Okay.....WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just a little easier with fours, but that's up to YOU!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Lil' Feats     
Date & Time: 04/13/90 16:38:45
Message Number  3708

Little Feat WAS LITTLE FEAT when Lowell George was alive. They're not
bad now, but they're just not Little Feat. I 'bout got killed by my wife
(make that ex-) because the first time we went out, she had tickets for
Little Feat (with Lowell George) and she sold 'em to a freind to go out
with me. When Lowell bite the big one, she had my ass!!!!!!!
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/13/90 17:34:22
Message Number  3709

"2010" was a good book.  I've heard lukewarm things about 2061, but
mostly for the reason that it's too obviously a "bridge" between 2010
and the to-be-released last one in the series.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/13/90 17:37:18
Message Number  3710

They were doing "Roger Rabbit" type stuff, and they were doing it
pretty well.  Follow the shadows when the cat and Paula A. are dancing
on the rooftop.  It looks like it's kind of what Roger Rabbit would have
been if Ralph Bakshi or Mike Kazaleh had been involved.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: ALL                 
Subject: hardware FS    
Date & Time: 04/13/90 20:08:30
Message Number  3712

 For Sale:
Commodore C-128 computer........$199.00
(2) 1581 3.5" Drives 880k.......$135.00 each
Micronic 2400 bps H.C. modem....$65.00
Or.....$525.00 for the whole package.
     
*If anyone buys the whole package, I'll throw in C-Net 128 version 4.0 
BBS REGISTERED software, on two 3.5" disks.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/13/90 22:32:52
Message Number  3713

Bug me again and I'll give you a phone directory converter program that
handles Qmodem & Telix (and about 20 other formats) so you don't have
to go through adding each #. Telix passes the password to Scripts as
the "_entry_pass" a string variable. I'll post my PBBS script on the
files area here... but you can get the Phone Directory Converer from
me direct by modem as it's a little beg for Turtle to have it just
sitting there.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/14/90 10:54:01
Message Number  3715

The real trick is in convincing my brother he'd rather be driving a
Hyundai for the day!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/14/90 10:58:28
Message Number  3716

Looks like my mother's Camaro may be more the ticket, then. Thanks
for the hint.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/14/90 11:02:32
Message Number  3717

I haven't seen it... I actually don't care much for the MTV of today.
Gimme the _old_ MTV (but _not_ VH-1)!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/14/90 11:04:10
Message Number  3718

Well, it's confirmed... we'll take on the stragglers (grin). I'll be
talking to my mother about her Camaro this weekend. If she says no, well
I still have the Hyundai.  :(
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/14/90 11:07:08
Message Number  3719

> May seven furries show up at your house unexpectedly.
 
It's been known to happen!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/14/90 11:09:30
Message Number  3720

My only musical regret is that my current turntable is too cheap to
risk my Mobile Fidelity album collection on!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: JONBOY              
Subject: <snigger>      
Date & Time: 04/14/90 11:10:56
Message Number  3721

I saw the typo, too, after I sent it, but was too tired to do it all
over again... I knew _someone_ would get a laugh out of it. I just hope
she wasn't offended (when she gets around to reading it).
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/14/90 13:05:02
Message Number  3722

Hey, how many FPS did the TMNT cartoon have?  Beatle says like 11
or something....
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/14/90 14:59:06
Message Number  3723

>...convincing my brother he'd rather be driving a Hyundai for the day!
 
  Well, you could make him believe that it is the most trouble free car
you can buy and it won't be a problem for him and it rides well... if 
that doesn't work, offer money.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/14/90 15:02:15
Message Number  3724

  Well, risk the MF albums once and put them on cassette. That's what I 
did with my Beatles ones... at least that will suffice until I get smrt 
and buy the CD's!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/14/90 15:37:10
Message Number  3725

Anytime.....just pass the word around about it. Just sent Ken Ober
(Tyler) a batch of info sheets on it (they're really the top to the 
sign-up sheet at work, but they'll help). Seeee ya' there
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Dr DOS         
Date & Time: 04/14/90 15:39:15
Message Number  3726

    Just thought you might like to know, I was (that is WAS) running
DR-DOS for a while. I went to use Norton 4.5 the other day (screwed up
showing my wife something a blew away a whole directory of data files), 
and the main recovery part (NU) would only allow me in with Maintanance
Mode ON, which means you can only look, NOT recover. And then later I
ran POP-DOS (Logitech's pop-up menu driven DOS assistant) and whenever
I would format a disk, it would end with a DOS ERROR and either lock my
system up or when I'd switch to the drive I was formatting in, it would
give me the C: directory for a listing on B: (nothing was on B:, just
formatted). So I switched back to MS-DOS 4.01 and everything worked
again. I also found out that I can boot-up in MS-DOS and then use the
EDITOR program from DR-DOS, other DR-DOS commands may work under MS, but
I haven't had time to try yet...........seeeee ya'..
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Furry II Revise
Date & Time: 04/15/90 11:13:08
Message Number  3727

The FURRY TAPE II is being revised folks......To fill up some dead 
space, I have included some TMNT cartoons (2 of 'em) and a DUCK TAPE
/ MUSIC VIDEO me and Beatle have been working on that is quite funny.
I have given Turtle a copy of the /old/ tape, but his copy wasn't of 
good quaility anyways... (I used a /real/ old tape since I didn't 
have any new ones)...Anyways, the new tape should be done next 
weekend or so...Please tell me if you want your tapes delivered to
you at the Road Rally!
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: no problem...  
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:34:44
Message Number  3728

"I."   The more echos the merrier.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:38:04
Message Number  3729

>Just so long as I don't catch you shoving some in your gas tank...
That doesn't help a bit.  I prefer pork and beans.
 
 
...now if I could just find someplace to mount the missle launchers.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:41:19
Message Number  3730

>the more in a vehicle, the better your chances...
Damn, wish we still had that school bus.  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:48:13
Message Number  3731

>Even the GOVERNMENT I worked for was a classified country. Hmph!
I suppose it was also on Earth, wasn't it?  The goverment I worked for
is ****** ** *** *******.  So sorry, planetary security hangs in the 
balance here.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:51:08
Message Number  3732

>Unlike the Green Thing.
 
Was that your car I saw being pulled by 16 elephant (my brain doesn't
feel like operating today, so it tends to mix up vowels)?  BTW, thanks
for the directions to the mansion.  It was a mighty fine play.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/15/90 14:54:12
Message Number  3733

>May seven furries show up at your house unexpectedly.
 
What's so bad about that?!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/15/90 15:01:04
Message Number  3734

>RufusCon '90 is right around the corner...
I suppose this means I should start thinking about the vegetable?
BTW, I found a video store that has "The Stuff."  One of the greatest
movies ever!  It's about yogurt that takes over your body.  Really good
movie.  It's at Blockbuster Video (why am I telling you, in case I 
forget, someone can remind me, or I can look for this message).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/15/90 15:04:00
Message Number  3735

>There have only been three.
The first one was excellent, the second one was okay.  The third one
sucked moose willy.  He was going to write 20,001 after the Galileo
probe flyby of Jupiter, but the Challenger incident slowed the 
space program down just a tad bit.  I suppose Clarke got bored and wrote
2061, a book worth not reading.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/15/90 16:38:24
Message Number  3737

>I wonder why these loonies haven't tried banning the MOVIE?
 
It's /much/ more difficult to ban a movie than a book. Technically, they
don't actually /ban/ books very often; they just don't put them in
school or public libraries. You can still buy the books if you want; you
just won't find them in the library lest an unsuspecting child read them
and become twisted into the ways of Satan. A movie house, on the other
hand, is a private enterprise and it's rather difficult to tell the
people who own it what movies they can and can't show. (I was working as
a projectionist when "Last Temptation of Christ" was released, though,
and got /really/ pissed off when a memo came down from the home office
saying that no theater in the chain I worked for was allowed to carry
it...)
             --An anti-censorship Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/15/90 16:43:21
Message Number  3738

The next Furry Party will probably be RufusCon '90. I'd like to have it
before OASiS on May 11. I don't know if it's actually going to happen,
but I'd kinda like to wear a "RufusCon '90" T-shirt to OASiS...
                   --A furry Turtle
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From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/15/90 16:57:40
Message Number  3739

11 frames-per-second doesn't work, I don't think (not divisible by
either 24 or 30, which are the max rates for film and video
respectively).  A lot of limited animation is 10 per sec, and sometimes
only 6.
   The original 5 episodes of TMNT were done by Toei Animation, which
usually seems to do 10 or 15 (acceptable for most things) and also does
really nice painted backgrounds and character shading/shadowing, etc.
Whoever took it over from them for the actual series needs help.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Dr DOS         
Date & Time: 04/16/90 01:53:04
Message Number  3740

DR-DOS is, in fact, not MS-DOS; it's smaller and faster, but it isn't
likely to do all the I/O in the same way Mush does. If it were me, and
(Heaven forbid) I were running an Intel machine, I'd probably use Mush
only for specialized things like Norton and use DR-DOS for everything
else, simply because DR-DOS is a /lot/ more sophisticated and generally
more powerful. (I'm accustomed to weird O/S compatibility problems; I
have about 6 or 7 different operating systems for the Model 4, not
counting CP/M and Z-System...) Of course, if I didn't care about Mush
compatibility at all, I'd probably run CP/M-86 on this hypothetical
Intel machine and forget the whole blessed thing.
                 --A Z Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/16/90 01:58:03
Message Number  3741

I saw "The Stuff" in a sleazy hotel outside of Tampa on a rainy night.
It was a really...um, remarkable cinemantographic experience. "Eat
some Stuff, you'll feel much better..."
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From: TURTLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/16/90 01:59:36
Message Number  3742

>A lot of limited animation is 10 [frames] per sec, and sometimes only
>6.
 
Unless it's weird pornographic post-holocaust Japanese XXX animation, in
which case it's 3 fps, and with no background, either...but at least
the characters are all anatomically correct. Even if they /are/ seven-
foot-tall purple bears with laser guns.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Mail System    
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:31:08
Message Number  3743

Dear Turtle,
   Really fantastic mail system you've got here... Looks just like the
original! :)
              Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:33:44
Message Number  3744

Okay... sounds good. Acapulco, okay with you ta have exactly three
people in a car: you, me, and Raven?
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:37:00
Message Number  3745

        ----        ---
       /    \      /   \
            /------\
      -----/   ..   \
     /     \        /----
       \  / \------/     \
        --         \
                    -------
       
     I'm bugging you for the program to convert numbers...
                          Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:40:34
Message Number  3746

After Turtle's comment, it doesn't seem like much of a curse...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:43:32
Message Number  3747

SB>the more in a vehicle, the better your chances...
>Damn, wish we still had that school bus.
   
   Aha! At last: a good use for the Green Thing.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:44:33
Message Number  3748

>The goverment I worked for is ****** ** ** *******.
     
   I understand. Perfectly. We watch over them.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:45:49
Message Number  3749

>BTW, thanks for the directions to the mansion.
    
   Actually, i should have shown the OTHER two "Ringling Mansions" 
around here before we got to your destination... Two others are on
the New COllege campuses. (Unfortunately, only one was the old library.)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:47:44
Message Number  3750

CPU>May seven furries show up at your house unexpectedly.
>What's so bad about that?!
    
Having to feed them.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:48:53
Message Number  3751

>He was going to write 20,001....
     
   Kind of hard to have continuity of character with THAT big a gap
to bridge... (Though Our Hero, HAL, might still be around...)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/16/90 12:50:48
Message Number  3752

>...you just won't find them in the library lest an unsuspecting child
>read them and become twisted into the ways of Satan.
      
...Or worse, yet: He might have opinions different than your own.
...Or worse, yet: He might be right.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: no problem...  
Date & Time: 04/16/90 13:08:28
Message Number  3754

> The more echos the merrier.
 
Welp, I've found a friend in Steve Hall who has been kind enough to
give me a temporary FIDO number, and has told me how to get an 
official one.  Now all I need to do is get all the hardware, and 
get the SysOp of Stormgate Aerie my FIDO node numbe and I'll be all
set...
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/16/90 15:41:32
Message Number  3755

You left out The Complete Mother Goose.
                       The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: new user       
Date & Time: 04/16/90 15:53:06
Message Number  3756

Dear turtle,
   As a card carrying member of People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals, I'd really like to hear more about these messages youve
written on your "boar."  We just won our battle (but not the war) with
some of the tuna companies, must we come after you next?
                                   The Yngling
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/16/90 16:22:40
Message Number  3757

>>> May seven furries show up at your house unexpectedly.
 
>> What's so bad about that?!
 
> Having to feed them.
 
It depends on what they eat.  Lekai, Juka, Omaha, etc. wouldn't eat
any more than a human would.   Erma might eat a little less, although
she's athletic enough that it might make up for her smaller size.  I
have no idea how much Tundra would eat.  Sheila would be another
problem entirely, but even if you didn't know she was a bit bonkers,
feeding a 7' tigress could strain any budget.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: no problem...  
Date & Time: 04/16/90 16:26:04
Message Number  3758

> Now all I need to do is get all the hardware...
 
What more hardware do you need?  You have the computer & the modem,
that's about it, unless you'd like to set it up on a hard drive.
   Of course, Amigas can't take "normal" IBM XT hard drives even if you
have a hard drive controller for them, can they?
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:02:30
Message Number  3759

Time, 9:00 tonite, or whenever I get over to you room. Action - You
call my board and d/l it.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:04:43
Message Number  3760

Or you just write something about the religion of those cave dwelling
primitives that now inhabit the "late, great, planet earth."  A trite
but fun topic.
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Telix Script   
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:13:08
Message Number  3761

Chip, (and any other Telix users)
     The Telix script is now in the text area, and is named PBBS.SLT,
 you have to insert your name, and compile it.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:24:52
Message Number  3762

Paragon BBS requires atleast 1 meg of RAM and 2 floppy drives....
The text file states:  2 Megs RAM and a Hard Drive are /highly/
                       reccomended.
 
Translation:  If you don't have 2 megs of RAM and a Hard Drive, your 
              BBS will be either (1) Amazingly slow and/or (2)
              Be as worthless as DragonFire....
 
This is why I am selling all my 128 stuff, it will give me just
enough money to get a 20 or 40 Meg HD w/ 2 megs of RAm (Making my 
A500 3-Megs of RAM total) and the HD also has faster access....Yes,
it /can/ take a regular IBM HD with the proper controller....I have
chosen the SUPRA-DRIVE SCSI w/ 2 Megs of RAM and a Quantum 20 Meg
Hard Drive as my prime choice... (It will be $755--About $200 of that
is RAM, but I need the memory to multitask properly while running the 
BBS...)
 
-Ken Ober
 
...Espically if I'm going to FIDO, I /need/ a Hard Drive...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:54:00
Message Number  3763

Not to mention "Little Black Sambo"... Sheesh - protect us from what?
Some people have nada to do but feel a bitter resentment towards 
anyone that happens to read, cogitate and understand beyond a 1st
grade level.  Racism - strangely enuf - seems to be the reason for
many of the books being banned - over-reaction on the part of the
liberals.  If I were black and a book was patently offensive towards
the black community - *I* would want it handy to show my kids and
neighbors *exactly* what the "enemy" is thinking.  Hiding something
simply relegates the offensive material to a place where, unimpeded,
it may grow and fester.
                      An Opinionated JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/17/89 19:59:16
Message Number  3764

How toasted can I get when I play - I play lots better when toasted!
(honest!)  Ha!  now what is a band with noone to applaud and hand
out praise adulation and loyalty?  
 
                a tongue-in-cheek JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SASQUATCH           
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:08:12
Message Number  3765

I'd be damned interested in that source - 
PS - whaddya mean "could be considered" Don Knuth is my hero.
I gotta say yer more dedicated than I if you actually *READ* all of
the 3 volumes (of a proposed 8) "The Art of Computer Programming".
BTW Turtle - you will note with Glee that even ol' Don considers it
an ART - not a Science (I've had this argument many times with 
assorted professors & neophytes - I'm tired)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:13:15
Message Number  3766

I have a blank low-noise S-100 motherboard.  I could dig it out
to see how many slots but I would guess the same as a box-stock
S-100.  Anyone interested in buying/trading it?  I also have a few
other S-100 cards (Ithink a clock/timer, serial I/O etc) in the
same dusty hole.  Anyway the thread here is that I believe they
claim the low noise IEEE 696 (correct me if I'm wrong [stupid me!
of *course* the denizens of this borad will let me know]) will go up
to 20 Mhz.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Z stuff        
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:19:31
Message Number  3767

wow!  I hope nobody ever accuses you of having an opinion!  I was 
just home (Alabama) and noticed an entire Z-system with 5 1/4 & 8"
drives and a bunch of other stuff for cheap (like <$500).  I must
take exception to the implicit statement that a DEC series terminal
is other than Slllllooooooowwwww.  Has it been that long since you
sat in front of one?  I have yet to see an installation that would
benefit by running the terminals at > 9600 baud because they couldn't
keep up.  Of course maybe VMS has something to do with the bottleneck...
just a thought.
                     A UNIX and CURSES JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:24:33
Message Number  3768

DOn't you have C for that thing?  I know of several BBS written in
C and the hardware dependant stuff well isolated..
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: xon/xoff       
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:25:35
Message Number  3769

Answer: Qmodem is my opinion a piece of crap even considering it IS
an MSDOS machine.  He needs to get TELIX or GT PowerCOMM.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:27:56
Message Number  3770

Get rid of Qmodem... I had more insidious bugs with that thing than
even ProComm.  I have TELIX if you'd like...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:35:29
Message Number  3771

Uh - uh the Mormons believe in a hiearchy of gods also.  Of course
most "fundamentalists" consider them a cult.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:41:06
Message Number  3772

Ahem!  How many *years* has it taken him to spit 'em out?  I *HATE*
getting a cliff hanger that won't get resolved.  Ol Lron Hubbard was
lucky and didn't have to write from beyond the grave - we might not
get so lucky with Clark...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: History        
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:43:02
Message Number  3773

Sorry, you are indeed wrong my friend.  Ask any blacks that you
know that are from up north (ie Yankees) and ask where they have 
experienced more prejudice.  It is way too much to get into here but
in fact racism has been most persistant and harsher in the north.
Most Northerners didn't even know why Lincoln made such a big deal
out of making Emancipation part of the War - they didn't feel like it
had a damned thing to do with the war and in fact - it didn't!
The War Between the States was fought over the issue of State Rights
and independant government.  The South was fighting for the original
intent of our founding fathers to implement a REPUBLIC - NOT a 
democracy.  If you wanna read some real hairy stuff that makes Nixon
look weak - check out even a Yankee history book about the atrocities
of the Lincoln administration.
 
                      JonBoy
BTW - I just came from just south of Idaho where they have NAZI and
KKK rallies every month for the entire Western area.  The people out
there just turn their head.  Just last fall I saw a FULL-PAGE ad taken
out by the citizens to state their public abhorrance of a proposed
KKK rally in Atlanta. 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Lil' Feats     
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:52:58
Message Number  3774

Ohhhh my!  She was in the wrong for doing it - no doubt.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/17/89 20:54:40
Message Number  3775

BESt Products had a Garrad Linear drive for $89!!!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/17/89 21:04:53
Message Number  3776

Do you have any details on Oasis.  Bart says your staying an extra day
(Monday).  I myself have AP tests that week [note:it seems that cons
always pop up before major tests.  Necro was before the PSAT, but I 
scored a 200 on it, so it can't be all that bad] and would really like t
[to] get some sleep and be there for the reviews.  Also, there's that 
case of money.  Any ideas on cost of membership and hotel room??
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/17/89 21:12:03
Message Number  3777

>  Aha! At last: a good use for the Green Thing.
 
Huh, what?  Did I mention something about a battering ram?!
BTW, how was the Bradenton thing Sunday.  Sorry I missed it, but I was
real tired (went to bed at 11 p.m. Saturday, woke up at 8:30 a.m. and
slept for about 4 hrs. during the day) and real broke.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/17/89 21:14:20
Message Number  3778

>Having to feed them.
 
Food and furries.  Gee, that reminds me of people eating all my cookies
at Necro (not to mention my cocoa-puffs.  Last time I leave food in your
room!).  I hear this rumour that you bring chocolate chip cookie co. 
cookies to all the birthday parties you attend.
 
 
    ...watcha doing July 10th?  <snicker>
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/17/89 21:17:05
Message Number  3779

Now that I think about it, I may have been mistaken regarding 20,001.
Of course, Hal and Dave would still be around.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/17/89 23:38:44
Message Number  3781

   Missle launchers are fine, but we do frown upon germ warfare....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/17/89 23:39:29
Message Number  3782

   I'll be sure to take school buses into account by manuvering you 
through some tight places.....but after all, if you want to drive one
around down-town Sarasota, maybe I'll just sit back and watch.....hehe
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Lil' Feats     
Date & Time: 04/17/89 23:45:52
Message Number  3783

I think about now (almost a decade later), we both probably felt it
would of been better if whe would of gone to the damn concert. I know
I wish she would of. I gave up a Commercial Art education at East
Carolina University for her, she gave up Little Feat for me....shit.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:42:57
Message Number  3784

>Feeding a 7' tigress could strain any budget.
     
What do you think Lekai, Juka, Omaha, Erma, and Tundra were there for?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:45:08
Message Number  3785

9:00 last night seems to be a bit problematical -- I don't always call
daily at the same time...
   We'll get together sometime for that program.
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: series         
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:46:29
Message Number  3786

- Corwyn
   As with many tribal societies, the primitives that now inhibit the
"late, great planet earth" have many religions -- each claiming to be
the only correct one. Most members know that "other religions are
wrong" -- but could not give a rational reason why their religion
contradicts the others. Or even if they agree in parts.
   Maybe humans will become civilized by 20,001. I doubt it.
                      Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:50:38
Message Number  3787

I doubt racism, as such, is the reason for most books to be banned.
I would say it's MUCH more general than that.
     
Required reading for everyone on this BBS: Fahrenheit 451. A book
report is due at the end of next week. You will be graded. No #2
pencils, please. Do not spend, felt, or mitigate.
     
Where was I? Oh, yeah -- racism. Basically, most people are afraid of
opinions other than their own -- and prefer to change the world than
to change themselves. (I went to an extremely conservative high school.
I know what I'm talking about.) If a book disagrees with the most
minor of tenets they hold -- BURN THE BOOK! Keep it away!
"It's all the sub-sub-sub-minorities with their navels to be kept clean"
           - Beatty
     
                          Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:55:39
Message Number  3788

>How toasted can I get when I play - I play lots better when toasted!
       
For all I care, you can be carbonized when you play. But I prefer
to be lightly heated for about five minutes at 400 degrees F, myself.
     
>Ha! now what is a band with noone to applaud and hand out praise
>adulation and loyalty?
     
O.E.M. We were paid $100 a week for a two-hour show. Our fan club grew 
to a total of four members. (But -- hell -- I had LOTS of fun with it.)
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 00:59:15
Message Number  3789

Dear Jonboy,
   I've only had one major bug with QModem: the dialing directory
occasionally freezed up. So, I switched to Telix. NOW, my dialing
directory loses every entry after the fifth... Which is better?
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:01:25
Message Number  3790

Dear JonBoy,
   In my message, I was trying to explain why some Fundamentalists
were trying to ban the book 2001: A Space Odyssey. I wasn't trying
to make a statement about whether or not there existed a hierarchy of
gods; I merely meant to state that Fundamentalists do not believe in
one; therefore, they do not wish for anyone else to believe in one.
                      Chip P. Unicorn
     
    
   All syllogisms that break at least one rule are invalid.
   This syllogism breaks one rule.
  -----------------------------------------------------------
   This syllogism is invalid.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:10:26
Message Number  3792

Bradenton thing Sunday? Huh? <Very confused unicorn.>
If you're referring to the S.C.A. event Saturday (their Midieval Faire),
it went wonderfully. Tiny event (only about fourty showed), but
REAL interesting. What it lacked in quantity it made up for in quality.
And general weirdness.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:12:24
Message Number  3793

Dear Rufus,
   Chip carries chocolate Chip cookie co. cookies carefully 'cause
crumbles cause complete consternation... uh, what was I saying?
There's about a thirty percent chance I'll be in Florida this
summer over July 10th. If I'm here, I will certainly bring you a
c.c.c.c. cookie. 
   (And, if you're real nice, I might get one that costs more than
65 cents...)
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:33:38
Message Number  3795

>You left out The Complete Mother Goose.
 
Yeah...and The Martian Chronicles. (I never could understand /that/
one, myself.)
                --An absent-minded Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:38:11
Message Number  3796

>BTW Turtle - you will note with Glee that even ol' Don considers
>[programming] an ART - not a Science...
 
That's because it is. You can no more learn to write something like
VMS in a Computer Science course than you can learn to paint the
Mona Lisa in a life drawing class. Be damned if you can get some
computer science profs to admit that, though--or, for that matter, some
art professors.
                 --An artistic Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:41:09
Message Number  3797

Hmm. I have a 20-slot S-100 machine with a /really/ bad floppy
controller (hard sectored floppies only, natch) and a fairly bad
Z-80 CPU that I'd love to yank out of there and replace with something
I can use...got any single-board S-100 processors or other neat-O 
S-100 cards kicking around?? S-100 isn't really "rated" at a specific
clock speed, since depending on what kind of processor you have in there
the processor may have a self-contained clock and its own memory
bus and whatnot, but I believe it handles data transfers at up to
20 MBytes/sec (I could be mistaken) and a master bus clock of 20 MHz.
Interestingly, the S-100 architecture puts such low overhead on data
transfers that a 20-MHz MS-DOS 80386 card in an S-100 backplane is
capable of data throughput that's just under twice as fast as an EISA
386-33 machine (like the Compaq Deskpro 386) and almost three times as
fast as Micro Channel. Go figure.
                       --An S-100 Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Z stuff        
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:47:24
Message Number  3798

DEC? Slow? naaaah...it's just that the SB-180 prefers to talk to its
terminal at 38.4 Kilobaud, will grumble a little at being forced to
run at 19.2 KBaud, and /really hates/ 9600 baud. Unfortunately, the
only terminals I have are a couple of DEC VT-52's (9600 baud max),
a VT-100 (ditto), and a TVI-920C (it claims to be able to run at 19.2,
but has a habit of dropping characters during cursor positioning
sequences and annoying things like that). Of course, if you're using
a VAX or some such thing, then 9600 baud is perfectly acceptable, since
you're not likely to be doing much full-screen stuff (unless you're
using EMACS or DECwindows or some such silly thing, in which case you
ought to be on a hard-wired VT-302 in the first place). *sigh* I could,
of course, modify the Televideo TCAP so that it delays briefly after
a cursor positioning sequence...but that's too much like work...
grumble...
            --A 9600 and hating it Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:53:06
Message Number  3799

>DOn't you have C for that thing?
 
Not in native Model 4 mode. Besides, if I were to start from scratch
and write a whole new BBS package for this thing, I'd be smart and
do it all in assembly to begin with.
               --An assembly Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: History        
Date & Time: 04/18/89 01:55:36
Message Number  3800

Historically speaking, the deep south has had more of a problem with
men in sheets toasting crosses and minorities than places like
Idaho have...although you're correct in saying that the war between the
states had little to do with the issue of slavery. Idealists--especially
Southern idealists--may say that it was a battle to determine the
direction the country would take on the issue of state's rights or
some such thing, but more directly it was fought to preserve a way
of life in the south that was being threatened by northern industrial-
ization. The south just didn't /want/ to industrialize. (Kinda like
what's going on in Ireland--you can find six or seven hundred
perfectly logical reasons why Ireland is having the problems it's
having, but in the end what it boils down to is they're still fighting
the Protestant Reformation.) Of course, you can argue that it was
fairly foolish for an agricultural, loosely organized conglomeration
of states with no real "hard" industrial base and no resources other
than soft goods to go to war with an industrialized, strongly
organized nation with more resources and more manpower--and you'd
be right. It isn't surprising that the north won; the only surprise
is that it took as long as it did. A testament to the south's willpower
and some rather remarkable military commanders, but still a futile
endevor from the word go.
                      --An equally opinionated Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/18/89 02:04:55
Message Number  3801

Oasis is happening May 11-13. Memberships are $10 a day or $18 for
the weekend; room rates are $35/night single, $45/night double.
(Read your Mythagoras, dude.) As for what Fox is up to or if
Fox intends for me to stay an extra day--well, you'll have to ask him;
this is the first /I/ have heard of it! Fox, Donthen, and I are going
to do the furry party thing again, but that's the extent of my knowledge
about the whole sordid affair.
                --A baffled Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 02:10:09
Message Number  3802

>>Feeding a 7' tigress could strain any budget.
>What do you think Lekai, Juka, Omaha, Erma, and Tundra were there
>for?
 
Um...is that a trick question? Actually, I think Shelia would have her
hands full trying to make dinner out of Tundra...sure Shelia's a
tiger and Tundra's a rabbit, but Tundra's not exactly tiny herself
and she carries a /really big/ sword...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 02:15:23
Message Number  3803

All incomplete syllogisms are invalid.
Therefore, this syllogism is invalid.
 
Thpth!
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 02:49:29
Message Number  3804

There are a lot of other things I would prefer to do if stuck in a room
with those six (or given the chance to be stuck in a room with any one
of them, for that matter).  Dip.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 14:44:16
Message Number  3805

The only picture I've seen of Tundra didn't have too many referents
to her size. Even El Funimal might LOOk big -- until you compare that
mouse to someone else...
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 14:46:27
Message Number  3806

All cats have four legs
I have four legs
-----------------------
I am a cat.
     
No quintapeds exist.
Chip just wrote a musical piece "Dance for a quintaped"
-----------------------
Chip does not exist.
    
All order comes from some intelligence.
The universe is ordered.
--------------------------
There is an intelligent Creator.
         
                         Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: The six        
Date & Time: 04/18/89 14:51:25
Message Number  3807

Really? You'd enjoy being locked in a room with Sheila? (Well -- AFTER
the first hour, or so...) Hell -- she's YOUR creation. 
      
Then again, Tundra doesn't look so cuddly, either.
      
                    Chip P. Unicorn
    
Doritoes.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: The six        
Date & Time: 04/18/89 17:36:24
Message Number  3808

Sheila wasn't among those six.  Dip.  Tundra actually looks pretty soft
and cuddly, just that if she was in a bad mood and you told her that
she might do unsoft and uncuddly things to you.
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/18/89 18:04:22
Message Number  3809

Yes, we can do three, but I recall Fox wanting in also.
 
BTW, I may have a surprise in store of a vehicular nature. If things
work right, we'll have plenty of fun, regardless of whether we win
or not!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 19:48:07
Message Number  3810

Yea, I ended up being sound asleep... oh well, I'm sure we'll manage to
get it together sometime soon. 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/18/89 21:07:22
Message Number  3811

>but we do frown upon germ warfare....
 
Damn, I have a friend named Germ who I was gonna bring and throw onto
the hood of other cars...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/18/89 21:16:30
Message Number  3812

Thirty percent chance of Unicorns with a slight overcast of other
horned animals.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/18/89 21:20:49
Message Number  3813

>$45/night double...
 
Yea, right, haha, snicker.  Well, Bart said that you were going to
stay an extra day as opposed to driving home that late.  I suppose I'll
get organized with Zot and try to work this out.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/18/89 22:05:49
Message Number  3815

  Handcuffs?  Frig---g handcuffs?  has this forum degenerated into a 
limp-wristed Birch branch and cat o' nine tails self-flagellation 
festival?
   
   Have a nice day.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/18/89 22:19:16
Message Number  3816

I need some help here.....This is my problem:
 
As everyone knows, I'm switching my BBS over to the Amiga soon, and I'm
going to be getting a Hard Drive, but I don't exactly have all the money
needed to get exactly what I want -- I'm calling the Briwall tech
support people tomorrow, but who knows if I can get straight answers,
so, I'm also asking here....
 
First off, I can purchase one of four hard drive controllers for the
Amiga 500:  FastTrak (Told it was junk) for $346, Supra-500 (Told it
was great and this is the one I would like to purchase) for $315,
Snergy (Never heard anything about it) for $313, and Trumnpcard 
(No RElation To Donald -- Told it was junk) for $510....That's
TRUMPCARD, not TRUMNPCARD!  ehhehe ANyways, here is my problem,
they have the choice of Hard Drives to place in 'em here...
Seagate 20 Meg - 20ms.....Quantum 40 meg - 11ms etc etc etc...
The cheapest one that i can find that looks good is a Supra w/ a
48 MegaByte -- 40ms Seagate 3.5 HD for 
woops.... $662.00  ..... Now, is 40ms too slow?  There is a 28ms
version for $684 .... Is it worth the extra $$$, tho?  What does
everyone think!?  Or should I just get the controller and find the 3.5"
drive to go in it from another source!?  Here's something interesting,
it says here:  Deduct $110 if you don't want the case and cable...
Okay....I can set it up on a Maxell box like Turtle's PC/Z!  hehehe
I'll have to ask the Tech peopel about it tomorrow.....anyways, any
input I can get from a knowledgeable person would be helpful...
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 04:18:32
Message Number  3818

>All order comes from some intelligence.
>The universe is ordered.
>--------------------------
>There is an intelligent Creator.
 
Fortunately, the twentieth-century advent of chaotic math has given
us more rational people the tools to prove that order does /not/ imply
intelligence. The only people left clinging to that line of reasoning
any more are people who have never played with fractals or chaos
math. (For $39.95, you, too, can buy a Mush fractal program that can
demonstrate how order arises spontaneously from disorder...and if you
have VGA, you can do it in 256 colors, too!)
                    --A chaotic Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/19/90 04:22:05
Message Number  3819

>BTW, I have a surprise in store of a vehicular nature.
 
Really? The EPA finally clear the Porsche 959 you had held up in
Customs? You find Richard Whidden's missing tank in your back yard?
You finally make it to the head of the waiting list for a Ferrari
F-40? You succesfully steal an F-20 Tigershark from Northrup? The
25th Anniversary Countach Special your long-lost third cousin willed
to you get out of probate? DOT approve the hovercraft for use on a
public road? What? Enquiring minds want to know...
               --An enquiring Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAURON              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/19/90 04:26:32
Message Number  3820

>Has this forum degenerated into a limp-wristed Birch branch and cat o'
>nine tails self-flagellation festival?
 
Who's talking about /self/ flagellation??
 
>Have a nice day.
 
No! I've just had seventeen nice days in a row and I'm ready for a
really shitty day, goddammit!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 04:29:19
Message Number  3821

(1) Go for the faster drive. 40ms access time bites rocks.
(2) The computer in a Maxell tape case is an SB-180, not a PC-Z.
    (I wish it were a PC-Z, though, although I don't think it'd
    fit in a tape case; it's the same size as an AT motherboard...)
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: The six        
Date & Time: 04/19/90 11:08:06
Message Number  3824

Yes, but Sheila was among the SEVEN that Turtle mentioned. Dorito.
I guess you might even call Murr soft and cuddly (Better ask Turtle
if we can talk about his girl...) when she puts down that sword of
her's...
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/19/90 11:09:35
Message Number  3825

A surprise vehicle? Should prove interesting... One question: Is it
bigger than a breadbox?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/19/90 11:12:27
Message Number  3826

T>$45/night double...
     
Maid? Do you mind if we remove these beds? There's not enough sleeping
room in here...
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 11:15:36
Message Number  3827

When you're talking about $662 vs. $684 dollars for a much faster
hard drive, go ahead and spend the extra $22. It'll be worth it in
the long run.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 11:17:35
Message Number  3828

Dear Turtle,
   Actually, I thought you were going to contradict my second statement.
("The universe is ordered.")
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 13:15:27
Message Number  3830

Okay, I'll go for the 28ms one then?  Is that good?
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: History        
Date & Time: 04/19/90 15:43:04
Message Number  3831

Jonboy,
   Im not a big Civil War era buff but I am a student of history and
I seem to recall a professor of mine giving a lecture on the subject
of the Emancipation Proclaimation (sp?) and it was his contention that
the purpose of it was more of a disciplinary action against the South
than any sort of conviction on Lincoln's part.  He backed this up with
a lot of evidence but I refuse to crawl into the attic and look for 
those notes unless I'm paid big bucks!  Just some info I thought I'd
toss into the discussion.
                           The Yngling
BTW - when we're discussing history let's all keep in mind that history
      is written by the winners and survivors of a conflict.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 15:53:45
Message Number  3832

Turtle -
>I never could understand /that/ one, myself
Do you mean you could never understand the /book/ or the reasons for
wanting to ban it?
                  The Yngling, S.E.
                  (Smartass Extrordinaire)
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Ireland        
Date & Time: 04/19/90 15:57:55
Message Number  3833

Turtle,
   While I dont disagree entirely with your assessment of the Irish
problem and its root cause, I think I'd like to add that as long as
certain groups are reaping enormous financial benefits from the con-
tinued unrest on the Isle of Man then those groups will continue to
stir up the young hot-headed masses who are being led to slaughter
and murder under false pretenses.  In many ways this is reminiscent
of the Vietnam War, where the average grunt /believed/ he was there to
halt the spread of communism while those in power (in both MACV and the
S. Vietnamese Government) became rich.
   Certain individuals and governments are abusing the desire of the
Irish people to "captain their own ship" in order to line their own
purses, and unfortunately a lot of blood is being spilled in the process
.
                        The Yngling
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/19/90 17:05:11
Message Number  3834

None of those listed (though I wouldn't turn any of them away [actually,
I'd be at a disadvantage trying to fly the F-20, not to mention that
it is only a two seater, and I'd have trouble fitting the unicorn in
the back seat]).
 
Still, if I pull this off, it will be better than other options I've
mentioned before (it looks slim, but there is still some hope).
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/19/90 17:08:58
Message Number  3835

> Is it bigger than a breadbox?
 
Depends on who's breadbox you're talking about. Merita makes some
pretty big breadboxes, complete with wheels!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: 28ms           
Date & Time: 04/19/90 17:21:50
Message Number  3836

The hard drive that the Wyvern's Den ran on (and will run on again, with
any luck) was at most a 40ms drive, and might have been slower--and it
was /still/ running about as a fast as a 386 board with a 18ms access
time from the user's perspective.  When you're reading messages from a
BBS, a difference in milliseconds is no difference at all (it's still
going to be slowed down to the modem's speed).  A 28ms drive will be
more than fast enough for a BBS, and it'll also be fast enough for
anything else you try to do with it....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Oh, yes.       
Date & Time: 04/19/90 17:26:17
Message Number  3837

It'd be nice if you took my BBS number out of your logoff screen.  It's
been down three weeks now.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Okay...        
Date & Time: 04/19/90 18:55:22
Message Number  3838

Sure -- I forgot your # was on the logoff screen......
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 19:12:09
Message Number  3839

The case probably includes it's own power supply, so you'd have to find
another one. if it's only $22 more for the 28ms drive I'd spring for it,
but then, it's your money!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/19/90 19:14:04
Message Number  3840

Or you can just get a hold of the PD version.. and yes, it is PD not
shareware.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/19/90 19:15:13
Message Number  3841

Hovercraft already can be used on Public roads, just not Freeway's. 
State Highway's are perfectly legal. I've talked to a guy who works for
Scat.. a commercial hovercraft company (actually the hovercraft is 
called the Scat.. and I think the company's named something else) And he
said he drives one of the things down from North Carolina on small high-
ways, and then crosses the gulf over to the Bahamas. I wouldn't do it,
but I suppose he lived to tell about it!
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/19/90 22:59:57
Message Number  3843

You know your in trouble when people start bringing in bunk beds.  I 
wish I still had mine, I could have more storage space.
 
...I bet that pesky ceiling fan would get in the way.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: The six        
Date & Time: 04/20/90 00:21:03
Message Number  3844

>Yes, but Shelia was among the SEVEN that Turtle mentioned.
 
No, she wasn't. Go back and read Message #3690. The seven were:
Lekai, Juka, Tundra, Cassie Burma, Gadget, Omaha, and Erma Felna.
Dip.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A short LINE   
Date & Time: 04/20/90 00:23:08
Message Number  3845

>I thought you were going to contradict my second statement. ("The
>universe is ordered.")
 
Why? On a macroscopic level, the universe /is/ ordered. (On a quantum
level, of course, it isn't, but such is life.) Interestingly enough,
I've also seen at least one article that describes the universe as a
gigantic fractal system...
                 --A fractured Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 00:25:39
Message Number  3846

>Okay, I'll go for the 28ms one then? Is that good?
 
Not really, but it's a lot better than 40ms. 40ms bites hefty wookalar
wong. (Me, I'll stick with my 6ms Radio Shack floppy drives...and /20ms/
IBM drives...)
                  --A floppy Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 00:32:28
Message Number  3847

The Martian Chronicles is fairly straightforward, if a little weird. The
reaction to it that's been displayed by more than one Fundamentalist
Christian group baffles me.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Scat rally     
Date & Time: 04/20/90 00:39:41
Message Number  3848

The problem with using hovercraft on public roads, of course, is...
no brakes! You can always toss an anchor overboard, though...
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