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#: 3571 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  19:14:50
Sb: #3567-#Break key
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)

Phil - as Pete said, an ON ERROR command will catch the Break key... but only
once the program is packed. Otherwise basic09 assumes you're stopping the
program run, which makes sense during testing.

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#: 3627 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  14:00:55
Sb: #3571-#Break key
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks Kev--By the way how are things going for MM1 and Tomcat??

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#: 3631 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  17:04:35
Sb: #3627-Break key
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)

They're both going okay, Phil. Slowly but surely <grin>.

#: 3626 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  13:59:09
Sb: #3568-#Break key
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Thanks for the reply Pete!!

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#: 3644 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:19:04
Sb: #3626-Break key
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)

No problem Phil... let us know if you run into any obstacles.

Pete

#: 3573 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:14:13
Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)

You had to remove the terminating resistor, but you are right, you also need to
jumper it right also. I don't have a 213, I have a 225 and a 21-1, and they
both have a small jumper pad at the back. The come jumpered as drive 0, so I
just moved the jumper on the drive which was going to be /h1 over one position.

Zack

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#: 3575 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:58:04
Sb: #3573-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Something is still amiss. I did move that jumper over one spot. Played all
evening with different cable settings and jumper settings and whether the
terminating resistor was in /h0 or not. No success. I am beginning to think
that this controller is just what I want. It is a larger WD1002S-WX2. Maybe it
isn't 100% compatable. Only 97.3%.

JCH

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#: 3579 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  22:40:42
Sb: #3575-2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)

Yeah, that might be it. WD controllers can be had for $50-$60. Good luck!

Zack

#: 3574 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  21:23:12
Sb: #3566-#2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: JC Hoit 73127,2213 (X)

JC,

On the ST-213 drive there is a set of jumpers located next to the 34 pin edge
card connector.  The two pins (one on top of the other) right next to the
connector should already have a jumper between them.  This sets the drive up as
drive 0.  What you need to do is move that jumper one over to set it up as
drive 1.

As for the terminating resistors, it depends mostly on the controller and drive
combination whether or not any are needed.  About 6 or 7 years ago, most drive
controllers and drives needed one to be there at the end of the "chain". 
Nowadays, most controller/drive combinations really don't care.  The name
"terminating" resistor is misleading, much the same as it is on SCSI busses. 
They're really nothing more than pull-up resistors to insure, get this, that
the logic levels on the lines drop (yes, not rise) to 0.

If you follow the advise that most people give, that you need at least one on
the last drive, you can't go wrong.  I've never seen a situation where having
one caused problems...although I have seen situations where only one didn't
work right and two were needed.

BTW: Since you are going to have two hard drives, you might want to look into
getting my hard disk backup program in DL9.  It works pretty good as an
automatic backup utility from the "main" drive to the second on. If you also
have Pete's CRON utility, you can set it up to automatically do an incremental
backup of your /h0 drive to /h1 in the middle of the night.  It sure is nice to
know all your work is backed up for you.

Mark

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#: 3576 S10/Tandy CoCo
    18-May-90  22:02:58
Sb: #3574-2nd Hard Drive Help
Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Hi, Mark. The Miniscribe (/h0) barfs all over the place when I take the
resistor out. And it isn't changing my success one way or the other. I did move
the jumper over one. As I said in the message to Zack, I am suspecting the
controller being a little off beat. I am going to stop wasting my time on this
one and locate one that B&B suggests.

I will definitely try your HD utilities when I get this hardware straightened
out. I spotted it earlier and it looked interesting.

Thanx, JCH

#: 3577 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-May-90  22:03:50
Sb: #3564-#No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim,
  Lake Wheeler ring a bell? I believe that's the one you are looking at.

   Dan

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#: 3588 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:50:53
Sb: #3577-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)

~ Dan;

  Umm.. don't see a Wheeler Lake on this map.  Looks like it might be Jordan
lake - highway 64 appears to cross it at the southern end.

  Time to get a more detailed map, I'd say!

 Thanks,
   ...Jim

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#: 3640 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-May-90  23:25:31
Sb: #3588-No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153

Well..
   Lessee....Jordan is quite a bit farther away (say 25 miles or so) and is
also near a town called Apex. Lake Wheeler though is with 10 minutes of my
house so that is why I thought you were thinking of it.
   Jordan is much nicer for fishing and boating that Lake Wheeler though.

   Dan

#: 3578 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-May-90  22:06:24
Sb: #3565-No' Carolina
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kevvy,
   Just call me the Lake man...right? <grrrr> (grin)
   Actually, he's thinking of Lake Wheeler. The only reason I know that for a
fact is when my brother and I go flying, we use it as a reference point for
getting back to Raleigh South airport (aka Triple W airport).

   Dan

#: 3587 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:50:42
Sb: #3565-#No' Carolina
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

~ Kev;

 Yep, it looks like Jordan Lake was the one we spotted.

 We're in Redwood City, about 1.6 mi. from the San Andreas, so as soon as we
can get some foundation work done on our house, we're outta here!  I'd love to
transfer to Raleigh/Chapel Hill - that way I could probably retire at 55 (in
another 7 years).  There's no way around here!  And it's gonna get much worse
in the next few years.  It takes me an hour each way to get to work every day
even now!

  NC looks like a great place to live (even without all the forum members that
live there :-) , but that's a bonus).  We hope to get out and explore this
summer if my current project ever catches up to it's time line and I get to
take my vacation.  We'll see!

  ...Jim

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#: 3592 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  11:59:16
Sb: #3587-No' Carolina
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim - well let us all know if you get a chance to come this way!

We ain't got the pacific coastline, but we sure got nice lakes, beaches, and...
commutes to work are short. And houses still priced okay, too. Now if we could
just keep the dammed Yankees out.... <grin>.

#: 3581 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    19-May-90  07:13:13
Sb: Univ. of Cal BBS
Fm: James D. Denboer 76226,2273
To: All

The University of California has set up a BBS with info about

20TH ANNUAL INSTITUTE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE    July - August 1990

We're testing to see how many people will call via modem to find out about
high-level computer science and engineering short courses we offer in Silicon
Valley and on the UC Santa Cruz campus.

These are summer short course institutes 25 relevant, cutting-edge seminars and
workshops in -- Language Programming/ Object Oriented Programming / Networking
/Computer Documentation /Fuzzy Theory / Geographical Information Systems/Fault
Tolerant Computing

We have nationally-recognized instructors teaching, with some of whom are the
creators or chief developers of new techologies.

The number to call is 415 524 9625   (24 hours)   1200/2400-8-N-1 and follow
online login instructions.



#: 3582 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  09:25:52
Sb: #3307-#KingQuest/H0?
Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Terrific....I guess this takes care of the side 2 request that appear from time
to time.   Say I just picked up the Sub game that is on sale. Again I'am faced
with figuring out how to get it to run from my hard drive.  It appears it needs
some patching.  Are you familiar with this game as well?  I've got "ded" to
patch with.   On "sub' its got a /d0 which I've tried changing to /h0 with ded
but there seems to be more the needs to be done.  I guess it needs to be run
from a VGF screen right? thanks Craig

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#: 3583 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  09:47:57
Sb: #3582-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)

Sub Battle Simulator does indeed require a VDG window to run in. I don't
remember having to do any patching however. It's disk structure is a little
strange, though. Exactly what kind of problem are you haveing?

Zack

#: 3589 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  11:51:11
Sb: #3582-#KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)

~ Craig;

  There's a file called GAMES.PAT in one of the libs with Kev's PPN on it that
tells how to run it (assuming you're talking about EPYX's Sub Battle).

  Basically, the file just says to use the commands from side 2 and ignore t2e
ones from side 1.

  Here's an edited script that I use for starting most of the games on my HD:

display c echo echo *                          Game selection echo *
---- --------echo * echo *                      1.  King's Quest III echo *
echo *                      2.  Sub Battle Simulation echo * prompt *
Select : var.0 if %0=1
    echo Starting King's Quest III...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games/kqiii
    chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds
    (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& else if %0=2
    echo Starting Sub Battle...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games
    chx /dd/games/sub/cmds
    (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)& endif clrif

    See if this'll do it for you.

  ...Jim

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#: 3591 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  11:58:04
Sb: #3589-KingQuest/H0?
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

~
Craig;

 Ooops, shoulda stored it unformatted.

display c
echo
echo *                          Game selection
echo *                          ---- ------- -
echo *
echo *                      1.  King's Quest III
echo *
echo *                      2.  Sub Battle Simulation
echo *
prompt *                            Select :
var.0
if %0=1
    echo Starting King's Quest III...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w
    chd /dd/games/kqiii
    chx /dd/games/kqiii/cmds
    (sierra <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)&
else
if %0=2
    echo Starting Sub Battle...
    echo
    echo   Press (Clear) to play...
    xmode /w type=1;display c >/w 
    chd /dd/games
    chx /dd/games/sub/cmds
    (ex sub <>>>/w;xmode /w type=80)&
endif
clrif



  That should be better.

  ...Jim

#: 3584 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-May-90  10:00:39
Sb: #Commumications Software
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: all

Just purchased a PT68k os9 system with 1 meg Ram, 40 meg HD, 4 serial ports. I
need a good communucations package that someone can mail to me.

        Scott Howell
        107 Winchester Tr.
        Smyrna, Ga 30080 thanks.

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#: 3620 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-May-90  05:39:47
Sb: #3584-#Commumications Software
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

Hi Scott!

Will send you Monday, via US Postal Service, a copy of 'STERM' and 'KERMIT'. I
use these on the same machine.

Ed

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#: 3621 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-May-90  08:49:21
Sb: #3620-Commumications Software
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Many Thanks Ed, really appreciate it.

#: 3590 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  11:56:40
Sb: #3557-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

I know, I found the UNIX alias command and used it for that purpose!

I just happen to like OS-9 better than UNIX.  So sue me!

   --Colin



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#: 3604 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  14:22:57
Sb: #3590-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Oh, I agree with you 100%!

#: 3688 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:45:31
Sb: #3460-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626

Steve,

Actually, I hope that we can prove you wrong here! Signetics (the manufacturer
of our CPU) is very agressive in its OEM pricing for its 68070. Plus, the GNU C
compiler has reportedly just been ported to OSK. We are evaluating the
possibility of offering this excellent public domain C compiler at cost. Of
course, we also need to look at just how solid the port is, and then justify
the person-hours involved in fulfulling sales.

So you may just be seeing a nice mid-priced computer system that blows away
most other systems, and with a pd C compiler that can match features with the
best!

Paul

#: 3689 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:48:37
Sb: #3533-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524

Have you goot William Hawes phone number?

Anxious OS-9 person.

Paul Ward

#: 3681 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:27:37
Sb: #3544-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike,

Nah, it's not Pascal. And not to worry about the other languages you mentioned.

Things are shaping up nicely here, BTW. I just hope that people can hang on a
little longer. We are FINALLY starting a wave a press releases.

Paul

#: 3682 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:28:53
Sb: #3551-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin Smith 73777,1360

Colin,

Well, you can always sell off parts of your other computer systems bit-by-bit!

If you're like me, you have a CoCo 3 or two, a CoCo 2 or two, a MultiPak or
two, and an extra printer. You could probably sell that stuff and almost get an
MM/1 FREE!

Paul

#: 3687 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:41:47
Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin Smith 73777,1360

Colin,

Software support announcements are due to arrive next week. Support
announcements in general are due to arrive this week. Prices will be announced
within three weeks -- the only holdup is negotiations with ONE company. You
see, I won't be happy until I can throw in $700 worth of software FREE with a
$700 computer.

Just receieved the latest offer from this company over the weekend, and we hope
to iron things out by mid-June.

Thanks for the interest!

Paul

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#: 3696 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  14:05:07
Sb: #3687-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

PAUL- COULD YOU SEND INFO ON THE MM/1? SEND IT TO ME AT:
 RJR SYSTEMS
 PO BOX 560
 COPIAGUE, NY 11726-0560

THANKS A LOT, RICH RIES. (SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, I'M USING A 16K COCO2 WITH
COMPAC!!)

#: 3690 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:50:50
Sb: #3504-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626

Well, UniFlex in volume is very nicely priced.

Paul

#: 3684 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:32:32
Sb: #3555-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Mark,

Actually, Mark, most of our target market for data acq already does a good deal
of work on systems that use large RAM storage. Seems a pity, considering how
useful OS-9 in small configurations.

I wouldn't worry about the OS choice, though. It'll be the one most asked for
here.

Paul

#: 3594 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  12:35:37
Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

I guess the question is--how Unix-like is it?  It may have changed in the five
years since I actually saw anything about it, but from what I did see back
then, UniFlex looked different enough from Unix that the Unix-worshippers would
turn their noses up at it.

By now you may have already seen the BITNET messages saying something like
"MINIX?!? Are you crazy?"  MINIX is good for what it was intended for, i.e. a
pedagogical tool, but aside from that...I've yet to hear from anyone using it
in a production environment.

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#: 3605 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  19:34:40
Sb: #3594-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

It's safe to assume that anything that says "Unix-like" usually refers to the
file system.  From there it get's pretty different from the real thing. UniFlex
is no different than Unix in its file system (ie, Inodes, etc) but it has so
many differences as to be also MS-DOS-like, OS-9-like, or "you name it -like". 
"Unix-like" is a sales tool, which means nothing really.

#: 3685 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:37:31
Sb: #3594-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

James,

Good points, both -- UNIFlex is actually very MUCH like UNIX now.

Also, MINIX is in demand at universities for pedagogy, as you mention, and to
SELL MINIX is easier than to SELL OS-9.

However, one of the main reasons that other OSes are being considered is that
many purchasers may simply need a choice -- whether or not they actually USE
two or more operating systems on the same computer is up to them.

Personally, I would push OS-9 on them by tailoring it to their needs. OS-9 can
be made to look much more UNIX-y than it does now.

Paul

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#: 3708 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  19:27:28
Sb: #3685-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

That's true--and as Feds start writing POSIX into their RFPs, there will be
quite a bit of incentive to make it look like Unix.

#: 3593 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  12:32:20
Sb: #3417-C arrays
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Jeff Dege 76426,211 (X)

That's for darned sure--especially what with X3J11 going for "value preserving"
widening, while Harbison and Steele (and evidently various existing compilers)
going for "unsigned preserving" widening!

#: 3595 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  12:42:10
Sb: #3509-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Make that Vogon poetry, and I'd agree with you.  <grin>

The above, needless to say, is purely my personal opinion!!! :-) :-) :-)

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#: 3686 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:38:38
Sb: #3595-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

James,

How refreshing to hear that a C programmer finds C a little alien!

BTW, I appreciate your personal opinions VERY MUCH. Keep it comin.

Paul

#: 3693 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  13:10:00
Sb: #3532-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)

Jim,

May not be necessary. Just buy an MM/1 as a remote terminal. Won't need a local
floppy, just the boards, a portable case, the MM/1 CPU board, and for about the
price of an Amiga 1000, you've got a topnotch graphics terminal especially with
a client/server windowing system.


Paul

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#: 3698 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  16:04:23
Sb: #3693-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

Well... yeah, that occurred to me right after I left the message. You must mean
an A500, tho, since CBM has (yet again :) discontinued the A1000... Got the
'grand tour' of Microware today... some of it was pretty impressive... Some of
it was d*mned impressive :). James Jones (my tour guide <grin>) showed me this
nifty little Sharp 68000 import running OS/9 68000 v2.2. While the windowing
system looked very impressive, it appeared to have one or two features I didn't
care for (auto-window-to-front, for example)... I only mention that becuase it
gives me an excuse to suggest that you/kevin let me take a lookit the gui for
the Millenium before its released (even a GIF pic, if I don't have one by
then). A book James gave me ("OS/9 Sourcebook"), lists a bunch of software
titles for OS/9... unfortunately, I didn't see, in a brief look-see, any
graphics oriented or entertainment oriented titles (other than some GKS
stuff)... That's where I plan on concentrating my area of development,
regardless of what OS I use...          --Eet--

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#: 3702 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  17:44:41
Sb: #3698-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Jim Williams 72157,3524

Jim - there's been very few gfx-oriented OS9 machines around up 'til lately
(except overseas). So you'll have a wide-open market as far as entertainment
programs go. Think of it as being the first year of Amigas being out...

Glad you got to visit with JJ! Talk atcha later - kev

#: 3602 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  13:18:46
Sb: #3498-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike I was thrilled when I found outI could strap on a terminal on my serial
port and have a multi-user system. I really did it just to see what it was
like, I don't have a need for a multi-user environment, but I like to to the PC
people, and MAC peopleI work with. The only problem I had (I used a WYSE 50
terminal) when I hooked up the terminal was that when I typed a cr and certain
other characters, my shell locked up. I tried emulating (thorugh the terminal
only) all the different types of terms the WY-50 could, and some were worse
than others. But It was

an interesting experience. Multi-user, multi-tasking on a computer that is just
a little over o foot long, and costs $128-$200. That aint no TRASH-80 ! Can't
wait for the MM1, and this new version of OS9 for the coco3. I'll be bragging
like theres no tomorrow. There are several people I work with (all software
engineers) that want to see my coco3 system now. But I am trying to hold off
and wait for the new os-9 package, so It will really blow there socks off.



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#: 3637 S15/Hot Topics
    20-May-90  23:11:55
Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony, Glad to see you are discovering the wonders of this little system.  Just
as an aside, there is an "expert" at Tandy that stated the UNIX uucp protocol
and suit of utilities could not, no way, be done on the CoCo. Ed Gresick has
been using his CoCo3 to receive and send store orders with Tandy in Fort Worth
for a couple months now using UUCP.  Even tho this "expert" has seen this
happen, he refuses to believe it.

Just shows you how people cannot believe how good this system is.

Ed will jump in here is he has more to offer (grin).

Mark

#: 3645 S15/Hot Topics
    21-May-90  10:24:41
Sb: #3602-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony -

I use WYSE-50's (albeit, on a Gimix... but I have used them on coco2's &
coco3's as well). Should be no problems:

o - Have you read SERIAL.TXT in DL2?

o - Do you have the IRQHAK installed?

Pete

#: 3679 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:24:11
Sb: #3536-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bob Wilkinson 72477,1037

Bob,

Thanks for the interest! Will send out information today.

paul



#: 3692 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  13:06:34
Sb: #3465-That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Actually, Millenium is one of the names we talked about at your place! That and
the M/Falcon.

Interesting.

Well, MM/1 is pretty strongly embedded now, but we've been breaking molds all
along, so maybe using Millienium is a good idea, at least as the official
nickname!

Paul

#: 3691 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  13:04:50
Sb: #3453-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony,

Looks like you sent the message to the wrong guy. You can direct all the New
Computer messages to me.

The MM/1 will be available late summer -- I mean, we will actually be shipping
in quantitiy.

The list of features you received is a wish list, but it is also a list of the
features that the computer actually has!

I have one MM/1 here on my desk, another one in the living room, and there are
others sprinkled around the US.

We have some small design changes to make, some production costs to deal with,
and software licenses to finish up. Then we can announce an official "street
price".

BTW, we have folks here in Washington who want to put the MM/1 in a hightech
showcase full of advanced multimedia computers.

Chances are slime they'll want the TC-9 for anything at all, even if they COULD
get their hands on one, which they can't.

Paul

PS. I don't mean to sound down on the TC-9. THe MM/1 is just plain better and
is the only choice that will keep our community together for the next five
years or more.

You should make a list of what you want to get on the TC-9, then ask FHL how
much they'll charge you.



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#: 3706 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  19:23:49
Sb: #3691-That Darn Computer!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

Hmmm..."chances are slime," you say?  <grin>

#: 3680 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:25:39
Sb: #3539-#That Darn Computer!
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike,

Well, you know that most of this talk about UNIFlex is really not worth
worrying about.

You will have an OS that makes you feel COMPLETELY at home (wink).

Paul

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#: 3707 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  19:24:37
Sb: #3680-That Darn Computer!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

Hmmm...since Dr. K. works where I used to work, that is somewhat of a scary
thought for me. <grin>

#: 3597 S3/Languages
    19-May-90  12:49:36
Sb: #3472-#F$Fork
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Can't have two files in the same directory with the same name...you'll have to
do one of two things:

1. create the new file with a different name, and delete the original and
   rename the new one when the smoke clears.

2. (works ONLY in cases like this, where the output is guaranteed no longer
   than the input)  have *two* paths open to the same file, one for input
   and one for output, and update the file in place.  (of course, only works
   on disks, too!)

As a fatter of mact, I wrote a LF-wiper that took option 2 (avoids fancy
delete/rename footwork).  (Of course, you'll need to set the file size at the
end, so keep track of how many bytes you write, or alternatively, count how
much you delete and subtract that from the file length, giving a new file
length to set!)  I may have uploaded the silly thing.

(Sad to say, I had to be prodded about option 2 as well--I raise the cola can
to Peter Dibble in salute!)

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#: 3617 S3/Languages
    20-May-90  02:03:22
Sb: #3597-F$Fork
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi James... I uploaded the program (using Option 1) as strip.ar. Option 2
sounds interesting, though. Think I'll play with it. Thanks...

#: 3646 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  10:27:04
Sb: #3597-#F$Fork
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ-

Rather than count bytes, why not _gs_size() then _ss_size at the end? Might be
simpler? Just a nit....


Pete

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#: 3660 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  19:12:38
Sb: #3646-#F$Fork
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

True--but you'd at least have to count the number of characters you deleted,
since you'd have updated the file in place.  Hard to say what's better, since
it's not hard to do either one.

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#: 3673 S3/Languages
    22-May-90  10:59:37
Sb: #3660-F$Fork
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ -

Count deleted characters? Not if you do the _gs_pos/_ss_size when finished
operating on the i$write path, eh?

Pete

#: 3647 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  10:27:51
Sb: #3597-#F$Fork
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Whoops -


That was supposed to be _gs_pos() then _ss_size().

Pete

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#: 3661 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  19:13:36
Sb: #3647-#F$Fork
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Ah--that's very different then!  (I can't do an Emily Litella imitation to save
my life.)  That would be rather cleaner, wouldn't it?

Good idea!

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#: 3674 S3/Languages
    22-May-90  11:00:23
Sb: #3661-F$Fork
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Oops - okay... we're in sync now. Great!

Pete

#: 3598 S9/Utilities
    19-May-90  12:52:45
Sb: #3559-#Level Two windows?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

I don't recall the name, but I'm sure that one can find an ad for it in any *68
Micro Journal* of the past couple or three years.

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#: 3614 S9/Utilities
    20-May-90  00:59:03
Sb: #3598-#Level Two windows?
Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

James (&Kevin)

I found it: Virtual Terminal by South East Media - for Standard and Coco OS-9.
Thanks.

Wendell

P.S. (Kevin: so it's Dammed Yankees now? (grin))

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#: 3619 S9/Utilities
    20-May-90  04:34:53
Sb: #3614-Level Two windows?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)

Re Southern vocabulary: my understanding is that it's always been one word:
damnyankee.  (I may not have the spelling right, though.) <grin>

#: 3599 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-May-90  12:57:29
Sb: #The Return of the Native
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All

"I'm *BACK*....I'm *BACK* in the saddle again..." --Aerosmith, or was that Gene
Autry?

My apologies if I've missed messages addressed to me.  Moving (a whole block
and a half, but still with all the hassle!) has kept me offline for a week or
so.  (It woulda been less, but I had to assemble the desk for the computer to
sit on, and I'm going to trudge off and buy a decent chair once I log off! :-)

So...I'm back (but now among the landed gentry).  Good to see you folks again.

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#: 3623 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-May-90  09:38:07
Sb: #3599-The Return of the Native
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Glad to know the transporter worked, James... welcome back!

#: 3600 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-May-90  12:58:55
Sb: GNU C for OSK
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: All

Greetings!  News just come from USENET--the mods to the GNU C compiler to make
it work and generate code for OS-9/68000 have been submitted to
comp.sources.misc on USENET--so keep your eyes peeled.

#: 3601 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  13:08:31
Sb: #3464-#Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Thanx for the info. But if I can't format a floppy in a 512k system with my
applications running, why would I (or anyone else) want to add another 512 and
still not be able to format a floppy, due to the fact that the system area was
depleted ?? My hats off to you, Tony, and all others for making the 512k add on
possible, but I can't see what good it is at the moment.


Tony

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#: 3611 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  23:00:47
Sb: #3601-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)

Tony,

For a long time now, I've simply formatted floppies when I cranked up the
system, or sometimes killed off a few shells until I could do a format. But
that's rare, because I mostly use the ramdisk and harddisk.

The extra 512K, while not helping with the format thing, does allow you to open
far more gfx windows and preload LOTS of program modules... besides having a
nice-sized ramdisk if you wish. This makes everything flow a lot easier. best -
kev

#: 3603 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  13:35:11
Sb: #Window Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)

I am trying to modify my startup file so that it will start up some windows
before I start up multi-vue. This is so I can kill mult-vue, and still have
windows going. After I did the following iniz /w7 display 1b21 </1 >/w7 shell
i=/w7& my system hung up every time it executed the display 1b21 line. When I
start up my mv window I do the same thing, display 1b21 </1 >/w1 so I can see
MV start up, right after the window is created. Can anybody help me with this.
My goal is to create several windows before MV starts up, and be able to jump
(display 1b21) to each window before or after I start a shell in them (doesn't
matter to me) just so I can see them being created, and then jump into my  MV
window and continue as always. I can never seem to create windows easily. The
info in the Rainbow Guide to Level II doesn't seem to work without errors.


Thanx for the help

Tony

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#: 3608 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  21:38:57
Sb: #3603-Window Problems
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X)

Tony:

I'm not really the guy to ask on this one, I use MultiVue very little. When I
do, I just let it start up off the disk, iniz windows as I use them.

On my LII system disk, I start up /term, /w1, /w2. This is all I ever use, so I
don't use up memory by keeping the other discriptors in memory. For them I just
use the "wcreate"

     wcreate /w1 -s=7 0 0 80 24 9 1 1

Or what ever, then shell i=/w1&. From what I understand, iniz should do about
the same thing, except give you the default windows.

You should maybe ask Kevin Darling, or Pete Lyall about this, I do a little
hacking, and patching, but let guys like them tell me what to do.

     >Lute<

#: 3622 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  09:04:09
Sb: #3603-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

You need to do a DWSet to get your windows up and running.  Try:

 iniz w1
 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1
 shell i=/w1&

Do not try to select the new window in the startup file as this will cause the
procedure to hang.  I think this is because the select causes the original
shell to loose the input file when standard input is reset to the keyboard of
the new window

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#: 3638 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  23:12:26
Sb: #3622-#Window Problems
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)

Bruce,

We are trying (have been for a few years now) to get users to not iniz devices
using Level II, especially windows.  The reason is if they later close the
window (stop all processes running on it) and they don't deiniz it, the memory
for that window is kept by the system.  This could cause some real debugging
headaches later on if they run out of memory.

In your example (shown below):

 iniz w1
 display 1b 20 7 0 0 50 18 0 1 1 >/w1
 shell i=/w1&

the user is stuck with an immortal shell on /w1 and the window memory is locked
in until they specifically kill the shell and deiniz the window device. Your
example is fine tho, in that to send the display codes to the window and have
them "take", it either has to be iniz'ed or a path has to be opened to that
device.  A better way would be something like this:

 (display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18 0 2 2;ex shell)<>>>/w&

This command starts a shell on the next available window, does the DWSET, and
then starts another shell.  Once the second shell is started, the first one
dies.  So, a path is be opened on the device the whole time and the DWSET
works.  As an added bonus, when the shell on that window dies, the window goes
away and the memory is returned.

If you wanted to, you can set this command line up in your execution directory
and call it "window" or something like that.  Then all you need to do is enter
that command and the window is created.  You can also do this to create
different types of windows, and call the commands "g80" or "g40" to make 80 and
40 columns graphics windows.

Mark

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#: 3641 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  00:12:31
Sb: #3638-Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I'm glad you brought that up (not hardcoding windows). Meant to do it. thx!

#: 3656 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:23:51
Sb: #3638-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Good point about the iniz.  If the window is iniz'd when you direct output to
it anyway, there's no need to do it explicitly.  Tony was trying to set up a
shell in a window from the MV startup file so an immortal shell is appropriate
I think.  Personally, I've set up an AIF to call up a shell in an 80 col
window.  That way I'm not locked into having a shell up if I don't need it.

While we're on the subject of deiniz, do you have any idea why it's so hard to
get rid of a ram disk (the one from the developement pac)?  It usually takes a
number of deiniz's to get the memory back.  To ease things I call a procedure
file having around 10 deiniz's.  This does the job but occassionally will cause
the system to hang.

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#: 3659 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  18:53:55
Sb: #3656-#Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)

Bruce - each time you use "/r0" in a pathname the "User Count" (see  output of
the DDir utility) goes up. A deiniz takes it down by one, so you gotta do it
until you hit zero users. Oops. dinnertime. later- kev

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#: 3703 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  17:45:21
Sb: #3659-#Window Problems
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

User count?  Is this the same as the link count?

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#: 3704 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  17:54:54
Sb: #3703-Window Problems
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376

Bruce - no. Link count is what you see with an Mdir. That's the count of links
to a module.

The user count shown in Ddir (or Devs, if under OSK), is the count of "users"
of a particular device. It goes up when a file is opened, down when a file is
closed. However, at least under L-II it only goes upward (never down) when you
do a CHD or CHX using a device's name.

This count is used to figure out when a device's init/terminate routines should
be called (that is, on first use, and when last use ends).

The "iniz" and "deiniz" commands artificially inc/dec this count, just as
"link" and "unlink" do for modules.

#: 3664 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  22:03:08
Sb: #3656-Window Problems
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)

Bruce,

You could do an immortal shell in the command line example I gave also. I
think, tho, that you would have to redirect the output to standard out since
you can't explicitly give the window device name.  Something like ";ex shell
i=/2"??  I never tried it.

On unlinking the ramdisk....Kevin gave you the reason.  There is a utility
floating around someplace in the data libraries called "unload".  All it does
is repeatedly call unlink until an error occurs.  This effectively unlinks any
module in memory, no matter how many link counts there are.

Mark

#: 3606 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  19:47:22
Sb: #Dynastar
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: all

Can someone who's familar with Dynastar tell me what is wrong? I can't print a
file to my /p When DF is called, it gives a "error in printing detected, press
ESC" I have searched the manual for a clue but don't see it. My printer is set
up for autolinefeed. I have a Gemini SG10, out of the bit port at 9600 baud I
can exit DS and at the os9 prompt, list a file to the printer with no problem,
so the hardware seems to be correct. Thanks, Denise

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#: 3648 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:34:36
Sb: #3606-Dynastar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274

Denise -

I don't know which version of DS/DF you're using ... I use an early version
that was unbelieveably enough done in interpreted Pascal.

A few prelim questions first?

o - Does the printer work other than with DF?

o - Has DF ever worked?

o - Are you running one of the newer versions of DS/DF (written in C)?

o - What else are you running at the same time?

o - Try INIZ'ing your printer from your startup file also..

Pete

#: 3607 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-May-90  20:48:48
Sb: #OS9 for Embedded System?
Fm: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752
To: all

I am in the process of designing a small embedded system and was interested in
using OS-9 on a 68000 microprocessor.  I have some implementation questions for
those of you out there with considerable experience with OS-9.

1.  What are the memory requirements for running OS-9 on a 68000?  (i.e. Will
it fit in 64K, 32K, what?)

2.  I was planning on using a Sun 3/80 for developement, is this OK?

3.  How about a brief description of OS-9 with regards to multitasking,
interprocess communications, device driver implementation, etc.  This software
will have to interface to some analog and digital sensors and some
communications equipment (i.e. modems, terminals)

I have developed many embedded systems from 8 bit processors programmed with
assembly and FORTH, to VMEbus computers running various realtime kernels, but I
have yet to venture into the OS-9 arena.  Any help on any or all of these
questions will be greatly appreciated.

Charlie - Washington, D.C.

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#: 3610 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-May-90  22:04:09
Sb: #3607-OS9 for Embedded System?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752 (X)

A Sun 3 for development?  Should be OK as far as I know--there are tools for
debugging code from a Unix system across Ethernet on an OS-9/68K system, even.

Probably the best thing to do for a brief description would be to call up
Microware (515-224-1929, 9-5 on weekdays) and ask for a copy of the *OS-9
Catalog*, which gives an overview of the operating system.  I think that
they'll send you a copy for free.

#: 3618 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-May-90  02:21:29
Sb: #3607-OS9 for Embedded System?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Charles H. Murray 73707,1752 (X)

Hi Charles. From a Microware file I got a while back...

The Host system for porting may be:
 a. A 68000-based computer with 256K RAM and OS-9/68000.
 b. A VAX computer running UNIX/BSD 4.2 or VMS.
 c. A SUN 3 Workstation running UNIX/BSD 4.2.

The Target (embedded) system requires:
 a. A 68000 family CPU.
 b. At least 64K RAM.
 c. At least 16K ROM capacity.  Alternatively,
    use an emulator with 16K of overlay memory.
 d. Two serial I/O ports; one for a terminal and
    one for communications with the host system.

I think once you get it ported over, you can drop back the RAM. At the same
time, the ROM will need to go up to around 32K, as now you'll burn in the whole
OS (original ROM holds a debugger to help porting). You can also drop the
serial ports, of course. Hmmm. You can get by with (1) during porting, I think
also. I could be far off here. Anyway, as you go along you can ROM each
application, and OS-9 will find it automatically on the next restart (or you
can load into RAM on the fly, of course).

Wait. Let me look on my system: kernel is 25K; a serial port manager and driver
maybe 4K total. System RAM use maybe 8-12K on startup? That doesn't count any
shells or apps or more drivers, of course. OS-9 may be slightly larger than
other realtime kernels, because it's a more full-fledged OS. You could easily
switch to doing development on your target if you wished (and added some mass
storage).

For far better and later details, call Microware at 515-224-1929. And, if you
wish, do a "GO MSC" here on CIS and download the files on OS-9 from the
Microware Systems Corp (msc) display area. Loads of info there. You'll find
stuff on IPC, multitasking, etc. Drivers are pretty easy to write. Be sure to
also read their "Pipelines" newsletter there.

Judging from what I've been told by others with your same background, you'll
enjoy working with OS-9 quite a bit. best - Kevin

#: 3609 S10/Tandy CoCo
    19-May-90  21:40:36
Sb: #Shell+
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

Where can I find Shell+, and what will it do for me?

     >Lute<

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#: 3643 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:18:32
Sb: #3609-Shell+
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)

Lute,

I believe shell+ is here in either DL9 or DL10. It may be in Ipatch format
(i.e. patches to the original shell), in which case you'll also need the
'PATCH.AR' programs in either DL9 or 10.

Pete

#: 3649 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  10:37:06
Sb: #3609-Shell+
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)

Lute -

Shell plus also adds some enhanced scripting capabilities (very handy), as well
as separate CMD directories (an execution path option), as well as a host of
other conveniences that should have been in there from the beginning. A neat
tool. Wish I could run it on the Gimix (it's unfortunately Coco3 specific)...

Pete

#: 3612 S15/Hot Topics
    19-May-90  23:03:44
Sb: #3570-#Tomcat Computer
Fm: Frank Hogg 70310,317
To: Gene Grecheck 74206,643

Will do, thanks for asking.

Frank

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#: 3678 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  12:18:55
Sb: #3612-Tomcat Computer
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317

Frank, Tomcat looks good from here. (Rx'd the brochure). Next go 'round you
might was to make it clear that the basic TC is (or is not) the same as a CoCo
3. (+++

#: 3668 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  03:57:15
Sb: #2443-Tomcat Computer
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317

Frank - From Phil Brown on bitnet: Would you please forward  this query to
frank?

Frank: I just read your Advertisement in the June issue of Rainbow, for the
Tomcat.  I was quite impressed, and glad you took a full-page .  But, as they
say, with the answers to questions come more questions.  I have pulled out
various issues, that I have tried to keep directly related to the Ad.  You may
want to break up your reply into 2 or more separate replies.

For the K-Bus system of OSk: I have heard that the K-bus is only 16-bit.  Is
this true, and if so, have you any plans to change this?

(Since osk is advertised with the K-bus) Does your $300 OSk package come with
the C comopiler?  How much for it separately?

And mainly for the Tomcat/TC9 : It was said that the TC9 is "K-bus compatible".
Does that mean that it is possible to add on a K-bus, or does one come with it?
(aside:  How about 1.2/1.4 Meg flopies?)

You stated that the TC9 could use a 68000 board as a co-processor.  Would that
be in some ways automatic, or is it up to us to make our programs take
advantage of this?

Similarly, What configurations are possible?  TC9 and TWO 68000 boards? TC9 and
perhaps a CoCoIII? Would TC9 and a 68030 be better than TC9 + 68000? Since a
68000 can use TC9 as a slave board, can a 68030 use a 68000 board? If you can
have multiple TC9s, how about multiple 68000 boards?

You said that the joystick res has been increased to 256.  How will this affect
a high-res joystick interface?  Is there any way to get 640 by XXX  joystick
res WITHOUT using a hi-res interface? Will it be possible to use a logitech, or
optical, "digital" mouse, under OS9? (since it will have "real" serial ports
now)

How about no-halt disk operations, under OS9, without a 68000 board?

You mentioned that under OSk, with the 68000 board as main CPU, the TC9 would
be "a multi-function graphics co-processor".  You didn't mention anything about
the graphics board I have heard about here! Does the TC9 have increased res.
over the CoCo III?

#: 3615 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-90  01:19:53
Sb: #Modem Problems
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: ALL

Ok. I've made the change. A lot of people have been telling me to change to
osterm. I have, and It is a very good program. Way to go Vaughn! But I have
been plagued by a problem that I thought was due to Telstar, but still shows up
under osterm 2.08. When I try to dial a local BBS #, my modem will not dial. It
receives the codes because I can see the lights fl ash on the modem. But it
won't dial. I have dialed this service, and a long distance bbs just a few
minutes ago. I must admit I did have a problem dialing CIS this time. I am
borrowing another rs232 pak now, so I t doesn't look like that is the problem.
My MPI is modified. I am using a 1200 baud radio shack modem . I did notice
that the 2 bbs's that I had problems dialing used 7 bit data, and the long
distance bbs used 8 bit. Can a modem be sensitive to certain phone #'s. It
seems like the only thing it can be is the modem. ANny ideas ?

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#: 3650 S7/Telecommunications
    21-May-90  10:39:17
Sb: #3615-Modem Problems
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony -

Biggest questions are:

a) Is the RS232 pak in slot 1 in the multipak?

b) Do you have the IRQ Hack installed.

Also - if you haven't scanned SERIAL.TXT in DL2, it's worth reading.

Pete

#: 3616 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  01:25:21
Sb: #Selecting windows
Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
To: Kevin Darling

I have been trying to start up several windows outside of MV so I can kill MV
without having to kill my other procs. In my startup file I tried the following
iniz /w7 display 1b21 </1 >/w7 shell i=/w7 &
 I wanted to be able to see the windows as they are being created. I am using a
similar method to start up my MV window and that works. But when I try the
lines above, my system hangs when it executes the display 1b21 </1. I was told
this was necessary when you do a display 1b21 >/w# from a script, and it is not
needed on the cmd. line. Is this true ? Why did my startup file hang up on that
line ?



Thanx

TC

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#: 3633 S10/Tandy CoCo
    20-May-90  20:18:35
Sb: #3616-Selecting windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104

Tony,

Yes, you're right about using the </1, because a script file's standard input
is the script file itself. Selecting a new window won't work unless standard
input is reset to be a window... which is what the </1 does. Using our secret
decoder ring, we translate the "</1" as:

 "<"    - redirect standard input for the command...
 "/1"   - using whatever is now standard output
          (usually the window you're on now)

BTW, note that command lines are parsed from left to right. So the line
"display 1b21 >/w7 </1" wouldn't work. Can you see why? Popquiz Monday ;-).

You say that you want to have other windows started up other than Gshell. I
assume that you've had no problem starting up these other windows and shells,
but now (just to be fancy) want to see these new windows get started? Here's an
example method of doing that:

 iniz w7 w8
 display 1b21 </1  >/w7; echo WINDOW SEVEN >/w7
 display 1b21 </w7 >/w8; echo WINDOW EIGHT >/w8
 display 1b21 </w8
 t
 * NOW STARTING BACKGROUND PROCS
 shell i=/w7&
 mdir >/w8&

Notes:
 1. After you Select another window, you have to make it your std input in
order to cause another Select to take.
 2. You can't have a program waiting on input from the Window you're Selecting
or DeSelecting. Unless you want to wait your turn at input of course... and
that's one reason your script might hang. So start programs last.
 3. Your descriptors had better have been Wmode'd (WMODE.AR Lib 10) to default
as separate windows, or you'll hang. Term, W1, W4 and W7 come that way stock.
Or use wcreate or DWSET (1b20 etc etc) to set the window type on the fly).

Keep asking until things get clearer. Glad to help if possible! - kev

#: 3628 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-90  14:33:27
Sb: #Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: ALL


Hi,

Having trouble getting 0S9 Level II to work with Wiz. It seems that the
Multi-Pak, RS232-Pak, and modem are problem. I can't communicate with the
modem. The MPI has been upgraded and all slots work. The RS232=Pak has been
checked and is operating fine. So I must be doing something wrong. What have I
missed that would not let the computer communicate with the modem (a Multi-Tech
224E Hayes compatible). The Pak is in slot 1.

Thanks, Butch 76702,1126

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#: 3651 S7/Telecommunications
    21-May-90  10:42:23
Sb: #3628-#Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

Butch  -

It seems to be the day for serial troubles. If you haven't already looked, have
a gander at SERIAL.TXT in DL2. Also, try one of the other term programs here
that doesn't require its own device driver (i.e. Xcom9, Sterm, etc. in DL7).

Pete

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#: 3671 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  09:23:09
Sb: #3651-#Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hi Pete,
  Thanks for the info. I will DL the file. Someone has told me that the <CD>
light on my modem need to be on and it isn't. So I will check in to this and
see if that is the problem. Thanks, Butch

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#: 3675 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  11:01:18
Sb: #3671-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126

Butch -

very true.... because of the design, the CD line must be active to the RS232
pak in order to function properly. I'll bet that's it.

Pete

#: 3669 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  08:24:07
Sb: #3628-#Help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X)

Butch,

You don't mention it, but let me ask:

Doesn't Wiz require it's own special aciapak driver? Have you installed this
and created a new bootfile?

Steve

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#: 3672 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  09:33:38
Sb: #3669-#Help
Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Hi Steve,

Someone has told me that I need the <CD> light on for OS9 to work. At this time
it only comes on when I have a connect. If this is correct then this must be
the problem. I guess I need to find out how to force the <CD> to be on all the
time. I sounds good to me. I know that the computer was not communicating thru
the MPI to the RS-232Pak. Does this sound right? I am a end user, I just do
what I have to to make it work. This is the hard way to go with OS9, but my
computer knowledge is very limited.

Thanks, Butch

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#: 3711 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  20:45:30
Sb: #3672-Help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126

Butch,

The rs232 pak _requires_ Data Set Ready (DSR), Data Carrier Detect (DCD) and
Clear to send (CTS) lines to be held high. This can be accomplished in
different ways. If your modem is capable ...that's the easiest. Investigate the
&C and &D commands.

Another way would be to jumper line 6-8-20 together. Either will generally
work.

Steve

#: 3629 S3/Languages
    20-May-90  14:34:00
Sb: #3350-#BASIC09 Help
Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)

Could someone please tell me a quick and easy way to check a screen position
and find out what it contains?  I'm writing a text-type pong game and I need to
check for collisions.  Any help is appreciated!

    ---Colin



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#: 3632 S3/Languages
    20-May-90  17:06:07
Sb: #3629-BASIC09 Help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Colin Smith 73777,1360

Colin - this on a text screen? - kev

#: 3630 S1/General Interest
    20-May-90  15:08:21
Sb: #2679-help osterm
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: Ronald L. Hall 73707,2303

Ronald, WizPro does have YMODEM. (WPXMOD ver 1.9 & above).

#: 3634 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-90  20:48:17
Sb: #WizPro
Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134
To:  70126,267 (X)

Bill

I downloaded WizPro and I love it.  I will soon write for the unabridged
version. I do have a problem.  I have a friend that has a Disto Super
Controller II.  I downloaded Proans.bin which I thought was a replacement for
your standard ProAcia. He is not planning to use a multipak because he is
installing his CoCo in an IBM case.  He also has a 4 in 1 board.

After making a new bootdisk with Proans.bin substituted, WizPro would run but
not communicate with the modem (with no multipak), and would not run WizPro at
all with the multipak.

Did I download the wrong program or make some other mistake.  I don't have the
expertise to debug.  Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated.

                           Trucker Bob

P.S. I noticed that the archive downloads were in a different
     arrangment than noted in the docs.  There is no WizPr3.ar
     and no Nuhost.  Was Nuhost deliberately left out or did
     I miss it somewhere?  Thanks in advance.

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#: 3677 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-90  12:13:24
Sb: #3634-WizPro
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134

Hmmmm. I am not familiar with Proans.bin. That may be for the Eliminator??? To
use the supercontroller II all you need to do is patch MWP so that the address
for the port is FF54 instead of FF68. With modpatch you just change byte 10
from 68 to 54. On the reupload of pro, I just put it into two files vice 3. Let
me know if you need more help. -BB

#: 3635 S3/Languages
    20-May-90  21:01:16
Sb: #Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: ALL

There seems to be a small problem with fseek() in the Kreider library.
I am using fseek(fp, --p, 2); to position the file pointer at the end
of a file and then back up character by character.                      

I am using this in my TAIL program (which works like the UNIX version).
With the Kreider C library I get too many lines.  When I ask for 10 it
gives me about 20 (not exactly, and it is different for different files).
However when I compile it on my Atari running Professional OS9 it works
fine.  Also when I compile it with the standard CLIB.L on the Coco it      
works.

Also is there any news on the 68K version of the Kreider library.  I
especially need the password functions for SU and CHOWN.

David George
72240,134

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#: 3639 S3/Languages
    20-May-90  23:12:35
Sb: #3635-#Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: David George 72240,134 (X)

David,

>There seems to be a small problem with fseek() in the Kreider library. >I am
using fseek(fp, --p, 2); to position the file pointer at the end >of a file and
then back up character by character.

Is the variable "p" initilized as a LONG?

I use the exact same code in the version of TAIL that I wrote and it works just
dandy.

Mark

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#: 3642 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  05:43:25
Sb: #3639-#Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Gee...you caught the mistake I usually make when using fseek().  Wish I had a
nickel for each time etc. <grin>

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#: 3665 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  22:03:12
Sb: #3642-Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

James,

He he....yeah, I'm real careful about that stuff now.

Mark

#: 3699 S3/Languages
    22-May-90  17:26:17
Sb: #3639-Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41

Yes I have p as long  ( long p = 0L; )

Did you compile your version of TAIL with the Kreider Clib.l or Microware.
I only have the problem with the Kreider Clib

David

#: 3652 S3/Languages
    21-May-90  10:46:03
Sb: #3635-Kreider fseek() bug
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: David George 72240,134 (X)

David -

Interesting problem. I also have a small problem like that in my 'more'
program... backing up too far.

Try dropping a note directly to Carl on this... (71076,76). Also, I'll have a
look a few things here. (I have all the clib sources, but not always the
ability to unearth the problems!)...

Pete

#: 3636 S13/Atari ST
    20-May-90  21:04:59
Sb: M$OS9Lvl query
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: ALL

I am starting to mess around with OSK on my Atari Mega2 (soon to be 4Meg).
  
What I was wondering was if there is anyway to read the Level of OS9 from
the INIT module.  There is a spot for it (M$OS9Lvl), but I need to know
how to read it from within a program written in C.                

I am running professional OS9 Ver2.2

David George
72240,134 

#: 3654 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:13:59
Sb: #Extra owend
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

I am listing the error trap section in a procedure I'm working on. The
procedure is called by another procedure which has some overlay windows. In the
for/next loop for error 2 and 3 it requires an additional "RUN gfx2("owend")"
or the windows in the calling procedure are out of sinc. Does anyone have any
idea why??

9 errno=ERR RUN gfx2("owset",1,12,10,60,3,0,2) RUN
gfx2("owset",1,10,9,60,3,2,0) RUN gfx2("curoff") IF errno=216 THEN PRINT PRINT
TAB(2); "THERE IS NO FILE IN THE CURRENT DIRECTORY WITH THAT NAME" FOR x=1 TO
30000 NEXT x ENDIF IF errno=2 OR errno=3 THEN PRINT PRINT TAB(8); "TEXT
FORMATTING INTERRUPTED" FOR x=1 TO 30000 NEXT x RUN gfx2("owend") ENDIF RUN
gfx2("curon") RUN gfx2("owend") RUN gfx2("owend") 10 END

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#: 3655 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  17:19:08
Sb: #3654-Extra owend
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545

Phil -

Your message came out 'helped' by the CIS message formatter.... To save a
message like that (tabular format), best bet is to type POST UNFORMATTED or
'su' when saving it.

Also - a B09 guru I'm not.. Kev or others are a better choice, but I'll take a
look at it when it comes back in from you...

Pete

#: 3663 S10/Tandy CoCo
    21-May-90  20:31:26
Sb: #3654-Extra owend
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545

Phil - I assume the program is packed when you run it. An error 2 or 3 could
occur at any time while the program is running, but even so, I see no reason
why the overlays wouldn't work right....

Well ok, yes. If you had an extra overlay open and hit BREAK, then your error
routine needs to go back to the right spot. That's not easy to do, so how about
this: keep a variable which you pass around called "overlaycount" or something.
Maybe the error routine or your main routine could keep track that way?

#: 3662 S5/OS9 Users Group
    21-May-90  20:21:02
Sb: #pch Phantomgraph
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
To: CWATTERS 70115,536 (X)

I am looking for a printer patch to run Phantomgraph on my DMP 200 printer

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#: 3666 S5/OS9 Users Group
    21-May-90  22:03:20
Sb: #3662-pch Phantomgraph
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Chuck Watters 70115,536 (X)

Chuck,

Here is the patch file you asked for (re: DMP200 patch to Phantomgraph)

    Here are the offsets to patch the DMPTANDY.DRV printer driver to work
    with a DMP-200.

        Offset          Old     New
        ------          ---     ---
        $019F           $40     $32
        $01A4           $04     $00

Mark

#: 3667 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  03:37:54
Sb: #Help with Shar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: all

Help. I downloaded the Shar util, compiled it, and tried to run it on
a file with "shar -u unsit.shz".  Zippo. Or at worst, wrote a char on
the screen. Has anyone used this yet? The ident of my compile is:


Header for:  shar 
Module size: $266A    #9834
Module CRC:  $C4E9D6 (Good) 
Hdr parity:  $64 
Exec. off:   $001B    #27
Data Size:   $18B2    #6322
Edition:     $02      #2
Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 
Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en 

Thanks!

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#: 3676 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  11:09:31
Sb: #3667-#Help with Shar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin -0

A 'shar' is just an ascii file... it's a SHELL ARCHIVE that contains both the
script and data files to unpack itself. If you  had a Unix bourne shell, you'd
just unpack it by doing a:

   /bin/sh <filename>

The .shz suffix makes me wonder.... there IS no standard suffix for a SHAR
file. Also, the 'z' is usually tacked onto something that's been 'compress'ed.

Try uncompressing it first (use a compress -d), and then see if it's ASCII.
Then try the SHAR tool.

Pete

P.S. The UNSHAR I have occasionally crashes... dunno if they're the same.



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#: 3701 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  17:40:32
Sb: #3676-Help with Shar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete - thx. I'm trying to undo a file called UNSIT.SHZ from the new uploads
section of UNIXFORUM. I'd love to see such a Mac Stuffit file unstuffer
available under OS9 (which is what this is supposed to be source for).

I'll try compress first. Thx!

#: 3705 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  18:04:53
Sb: #3676-#Help with Shar
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete - ummm, where do I find the Compress util? <grin> Can't seem to find one
for us. - kev

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#: 3710 S9/Utilities
    22-May-90  19:40:31
Sb: #3705-Help with Shar
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227

Kev -

Mebbe I'm the only one that has it, although I thought it was here as well.
I'll upload it if it's not here....

Pete

P.S. Our (os9/6809) compress will only handle 12bit compression... typical
     unix compression is done at 16 bit... were you aware of that?

#: 3670 S1/General Interest
    22-May-90  08:37:15
Sb: dead TTX
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

Any life left in that TTX terminal I sent you?

My last working unit shot craps last weekend... no doubt the power supply. I
now have  7 just like it!  :-)

Before I ditch the darn things and open up a lot of space in the basement, I
may try dropping in an alternate ps. Do you happen to have the voltages written
down .. or if it's still breating, could you stick a probe on it?

I've got two notes scribbled down ... one shows+5 on the heavy red and black
combo, the other + and a - 12 volts.

The other note, shows the +5VDC and 24VDC.


Details, details . .. they're always getting in the way!

Steve

#: 3683 S10/Tandy CoCo
    22-May-90  12:29:57
Sb: #3552-Pictures Needed
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736

Dale,

Sorry to be out of touch so long .... Give me a call and I'll give you what you
need.

Paul

#: 3694 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    22-May-90  13:13:48
Sb: #3462-Multi-user OS9 BBS
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Michael Wood 71631,340

Mike,

You might want to call Ed hathaway at Second City Software. They should be
starting work on one soon.

Paul

#: 3697 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  15:04:44
Sb: #Univ BBS Marketing
Fm: James D. Denboer 76226,2273
To: All

The University of California in Santa Cruz has set up a BBS in the 415 area  -
415 524 9625 - with info about their Computer Science Institute that offers
short courses this summer in -Unix, C, Networks, Fuzzy Theory, Geographical
Information Systems, Fault Tolerant Computing, Technical Writing, and more.

Plus free magazines to callers.

What I'm wondering is if people would call this BBS - I'm studying the
conference and course registration market and see a tremendous slump in
registration.

What is going on out there - why aren't people registering for conferences? Are
corporations not funding this anymore?  Would you be someone who would call in
for info?   Or would you rather request info by easyplex?



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#: 3709 S15/Hot Topics
    22-May-90  19:30:37
Sb: #3697-Univ BBS Marketing
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: James D. Denboer 76226,2273

Well....those conferences sound quite interesting, but I'm trying to even cut
back on my phone bill, much less the charges for seminars, food, lodging,
travel, and the like!

#: 3700 S3/Languages
    22-May-90  17:33:31
Sb: fseek() function
Fm: David George 72240,134
To:  71076,76

Carl,

  I seem to be having a small problem with the fseek() call in your library.
When I use fseek(fp, --p, 2) to postion the pointer at the end of a file
and read backwards it (fseek) go back to far.  This is for the TAIL program.
I have compiled successfully on both my Atari with Professional OS9 and with
the standard Microware CLIB.L   However I like the additional features your
lib offers so I use it whenever possible.  Also any news on when a 68K version
of your CLIB will be available?  I especially like the password functions.

David George
72240,134


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