From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:17
Message Number  7801

>Um hmm.
 
Eloquent. I like that.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:04:56
Message Number  7802

>I have met gays who I could tell were gay.
 
So have I. I have also met gays who I could /not/ tell were gay, and I'd
be willing to bet anything you name that you couldn't either. This is a
point you seem unwilling to concede.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:09:28
Message Number  7803

Come come now. The Beatles and the New Kids have plenty in common. 
They are both groups comprised of carbon-based life froms, they both
make their living by recording sounds for sale, they both are
idolized by half a billion young children; neither group lived in
grass huts, habitually dined upon llama's innards, or was really into
spontaneous combustion onstage.
 
...oh, you meant comparing them /musically/? I agree.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:13:13
Message Number  7804

>...I don't get it...
 ---
>I still don't get it.
 
Jes' bashing conservatives, Son; tryin' to imply that (a) they're not
notorious for being the greatest force for reason in the known universe
and (b) it's possible that more than a few of 'em may have a vested
interest in maintaining some of the seedier aspects of the Way Things
Are...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:15:34
Message Number  7805

>...just have figured out that these people can't be helped.
 
Nope, 'fraid not; looks like we all have terminal cases of open-
mindedness...You're absolutely right, though. Hate, intolerance,
fear, and prejudice are infinitely preferable to reason, tolerance,
understanding, and all that hippie rot. How ever could I have thought
different?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faith          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:18:18
Message Number  7806

The "What came first?" argument can be applied just as easily to
one god as to many; if you're a monotheistic agnostic, then who
created your "god" singular? Is it really that much easier to accept
a singular entity that has existed 'forever' (whatever that means) than
to accept a number of entities that have been around forever? Hmm...
I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods... (grin).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:31:06
Message Number  7807

Steve Vai is the guitarist who played for David Lee Roth on his first
solo albums and (I believe) played with Dio for a brief time. He's
characterized most strongly by the ability to use a guitar as a
voice synthesizer (no kidding); technically, he's very very good, if
(in my opinion) somewhat unimaginitive.He generally seems to be more
interested in special effects than in /music/, which is kind of
annoying, especially in light of how good he is.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:35:11
Message Number  7808

>That's a liberal for you...never mind if we look like cowards...
>etc, etc...
 
Is this whole "kill-em all" gung-ho war thing a sexual thing with
conservatives?? I think if you were thnking with the right head you'd
realize that that's a patently absurd statement; a liberal President
would be just as likely to repond in an agressive fashion to an act of
agression as would a conservative. Hey, I'm a liberal, and I'm hardly a
living icon of candle-and-sandle "flowers for everyone" philosophy!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:39:54
Message Number  7809

>This is a vote "no"...don't discuss your B&D experience...
 
You know, I guessed that'd be what you said. The commentary attached
to the answer was certainly...uh, certainly /heartfelt/, but was it
really necessary???
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:42:10
Message Number  7810

>...you want the N[K]OTB to present an image for all teens to follow?
>Now, that IS perverse!
 
Much as I hate to admit it, I find myself /agreeing/ with you on the
subject of perversity...ack! Um...Gun Control! Gun Control!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:48:14
Message Number  7811

>...watch the Yuppie bashing!!!!!!!!
 
I will have you know, Sir, that Yuppie bashing is the only form of
bashing that is actively encouraged by the sysop of this bulletin
board...so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
Thpth!
 
(c) 1990 Anarchy Now, Inc. The opinions expressed do not necessarily
reflect those of the person stating them.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:59:29
Message Number  7813

Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials afterward...
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: THRUD               
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/16/90 23:57:11
Message Number  7814

I don't think the kid down the street sounds so bad. What kind of music
does he listen to?   (How old's your daughter anyway?  Hehehehe)
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:15:36
Message Number  7815

Steve Vai is an EXTREMELY competent guitarist as well as an interesting
performer to watch. His latest album : Passion and Warfare  has a number
of highly entertaining works on it. Some of which ARE very fresh as far 
as concept and technical effects are concerned. I think Icefalcon is 
correct in his belief that Steve Vai is one of the pioneers of the music
industry (but not nearly to the degree of Floyd or Rush). You do, 
however, have to consider the fact that Icefalcon is a guitarist as well
and so his opinions tend to pull towards those with a high degree of 
technical ability (ie  Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen).
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Vai            
Date & Time: 08/17/90 00:38:59
Message Number  7816

Sputter sputter...Damn you...I just happened to be drinking a galss of 
water when I read your post. That's like saying The Beatles were just 
some pop band from the 60's. Grrrrrrr. Do not make generalizations like 
that unless you know what you're talking about. Since you have stated
previously that you are stuck in the 'Pop zone', I will assume that you 
don't. Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist. That is, he doesn't just play
heavy metal, but also rock, neo-classical, and Southern blues. He almost
has achieved (I stress the almost) a position rivaling Joe Satriani and
Eddie Van Halen (The Ghods of Electric Guitar) with his most recent 
album. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:31:32
Message Number  7818

> reference to that in the last regularly-aired episode...
 
  I must've missed it. Geez, I wish I could fill in the rest of my Max
Headroom  collection... Anyway, Miami Vice was on Fridays at 9 AND 10 at
different parts of the year. Dallas, as far as I can remember, has 
always been on at 9 PM.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject:               
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:34:08
Message Number  7819

> Bush doesn't particularly want to us them...
 
  A refreshing point, when you can call other BBSes in the area and the 
general concensus is "Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW!" I was surprised with 
how many people WANT  that!!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:42:42
Message Number  7820

> I wouldn't mind being condemned to making Montgomery Ward commercials
> afterward...
 
  I wouldn't mind being condemned to cleaning toilets afterward... but
I'm really pathetic about things like that...but I digress... 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Vai            
Date & Time: 08/17/90 14:45:09
Message Number  7821

> Steve Vai is a 'Rock' guitarist...
 
  Ghee, I hate it when I do something stupid (Which seems toincrease
exponentially during the summer).... Anyway, thank you for setting me 
straight. I seem to be 0 for a few times making judgements based on MTV
videos...
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: zip/arc        
Date & Time: 08/17/90 15:58:08
Message Number  7822

thanks for the help offer.  my phone no. is 371-1469.  I'm usually not 
in during the day but I have an ans. machine.  The best time to call is
7-7:30 am or 6p-8p.  THANKS AGAIN!!! Dave G.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:41:24
Message Number  7825

> so stick that in your tennis shoes and pump /it/ for a while!
 
Hey, I don't /do/ the tennis shoe thang ... I have the Cross-Training 
CXT pumps, so Thpth!
 
:)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:42:55
Message Number  7826

Oh, now I remember this Steve Vai guy .. He's the one that has that 
video with that kid in school, isn't he!?  I like that video for exactly
ONE reason -- There is a scene in there where he looks like he wants to
be the Wizard of Time and Speed .... But that's just me....
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: What I hate    
Date & Time: 08/17/90 18:46:12
Message Number  7827

You know what I hate?  When I spend the time Z-Batch downloading two
files that are 700+K and will take over an hour to D/L in the first 
place, but there has to be alot of line noise that evening, and it ends 
up having 200+ errors on the download, and it takes a COUPLE HOURS to
/finally/ download ... And when you un-warp the disk, it turns into a
788K Lharc file that is just too big to decompress onto anything but
a hard drive!  I hate when that happens ... Espically when you don't
have a hard drive .... Oh well .... I guess I'll have to drag it to
Rocky's ....
 
- Ken Ober
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/17/90 23:27:19
Message Number  7828

 My search for the most inane lyrics on earth has ended. While putting 
up with my sisters dose of rap for the day, they played a video by Bell
Biv DeVoe (and these guys are managed by the same yutz who created the 
Nuke Kids) called "Do Me". The chorus goes:
  You can do me in the morning/You  can do me in the night=
 
  Grr... when things like that make it to Number one on at least one 
chart, I begin to worry. Why can't  a song like the one that is anti-
gang violence be a hit??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:56:25
Message Number  7831

...and presumably to guitarists of great technical ability and real
innovation and imagination; like, say, Yngwie Malmsteen...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/18/90 01:58:38
Message Number  7832

>I have the Cross-Training CXT pumps, so there!
 
You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and an equally
silly pump, so Thpth!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:00:17
Message Number  7833

>You can do me in the morning/You can do me in the night...
 
That's FAR from the most inane rap lyrics I've ever heard. Who could
forget, for example, "Boom I've got your girlfriend, uh uh I've got
your girlfriend"? There's also the infamous "Oh so horny oh oh so
horny oh so horny yeah yeah yeah" from 2 Live Crew, and moving out of
rap, "I'm so hungry for your sex, yeah, I'm so hungry for your sex"
(Lita Ford), "She loves you yeah yeah yeah, she loves you yeah yeah
yeah" (you know who), "Slide it in, straight to the top, slide it in,
slide it in, slide it in" (Whitesnake, who can actually produce remark-
ably good music when they're not doing this sort of dribble), and last
but by no means least, "You ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and
roll time, you ain't nothing but a hound dog, rock and roll time," which
has a special shrine in the hallowed halls of inane drivel.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:24:05
Message Number  7834

K>And not to mention the fact that one of the NFOTB is a fag....
  
No shit!?   Figures.  Who do you think is their choreagrapher (SP!).
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:28:42
Message Number  7835

TS>Are you pouting?
Hmmm.  I may be.
(Wups!  I meant to quote you, not myself!)
BL>You are one of the reasons I sign onto this board.
Oh, puh-leeesze.  You flatter me.  You like to hear some bigot bash 
gays?  You say may be; I say I am.  I won't debate it. 
BTW - If I have offended you, I am sorry...it was not my intention...
sometimes I say careless things and if I said something to you, 
please!  tell me.  I'll explain what I meant in detail.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:34:25
Message Number  7836

BL>Ahhhhhh, but you might - someday.  See, I might be praying for you,
BL>too.  But...I don't in the same breath as for my sis - 
  
  Yes, I might HAVE to...it may be inevitable.  If you pray for me,
then you may do so however you like (same breath or whatever).  I 
appreciate the effort (if not the motive/intent) - beggars can't be
choosy!
  
  May I say that you can't ignore what is happening between you & your
sister...I hate to harp on it, but I can't help but feel for you.  I 
el
believe that Max & the rest had good ideas about supporting your sister
now more than ever.  You don't have to approve of what she does...just
make sure that she knows that nothing has changed - you are still her
brother.  Y'know?  Well, I'm afraid my advice sucks when it comes to
matters of the heart...just not too good there.  Good luck!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:44:09
Message Number  7837

B>The...guy who does the Montgomery Ward ads...
  
 Has absolutely *nothing* on Michelle Phiffer.  She is one leggy 
lady.  !smack, smak!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: [D            
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:49:38
Message Number  7838

Ok, you want to know this:
  Why would I drop all associations with a person whom I found out
was gay even if he was a friend?
  Look.  This is not a matter for logic.  I simply don't like them,
because of what they do.  If one of my friends turned out to be gay,
well, I don't make very close ties to people...it would be easy to 
drop them.  Anybody.  
 
And this:
  Why would homosexuality instantly negate anything else good about 
that person?
   It wouldn't.  It's just that anything "good" about that person
wouldn't matter as much as that particular thing "bad" about them. 
It would outweigh all "good" things.  (Which would all be tainted
with "bad" anyway.)
  
BTW - I am not dropping this thread because I have come to a logic
dead end...I am simply dropping it because no one wants to hear it!
Besides, everything I say falls on (mostly) deaf ears.
  
  I don't need to defend my position, anyway.  It's my opinion.  If 
you don't like, it, *too* *bad*.  (And the same for me of yours.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/18/90 02:57:51
Message Number  7839

M>My argument would be that Reli isn't a beast any more than an elf
M>in a Dungeons & Dragons world would be;
  
   Hmm.  What table do you suppose that elfs would be from?  I mean
on the species\genus\phylum\kindom whathaveyou...would they still be
simian or sapien?  I don't think that cats would be.  They still fall
into /my/ beast category.  
  
But, you never answered my original question, Max.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:03:59
Message Number  7840

Well, I'm not a fanatic (unless you count having read EVERY ONE of his
stories fanatic) so I guess I could probably pass by on that borrow 
issue...I /do/ appreciate the offer, though.  
  
  Probably BM will get them eventually...maybe when she shows up 
you can show her your pearly whites and insult her at the same time...
(You know what I mean?)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:09:44
Message Number  7841

T>Jes' bashing conservatives, Son; 
  
  Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:11:28
Message Number  7842

Predictable.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Faith          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:12:49
Message Number  7843

True.  Like I said, howver, it's just easeir to believe. 
  
T>I bet Hindu atheists don't believe in a multitude of gods...
 
I don't understand, and even if I did, then I might reply, I'm 
agnostic.  Not athiest.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Steve Vai      
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:14:54
Message Number  7844

Thank you...that told me more than the other reply I got...
"He's a Heavy Metal guitarist."   Thanks to him, too.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:17:16
Message Number  7845

T> the commentary was /heartfelt/, but was it
T>really necessary???
  
Oh, yes, you bet your ass.  (No pun intended.)  It was very, very 
necessary indeed.  (Kept me from going out and killing innocent 
bystanders.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:21:02
Message Number  7846

I can't believe you!  You praise RUSH but then fail to mention the
greatest bass of all time in the same breath as Steve Vai, Joe 
Satriani, and Eddie Van Halen!  You FORGOT GEDDE LEE!  
  
Gheeze! (tm)  Whatsamatta whichoo!   (S*it!  I think I spelled his name
wrong!  Oh, well, too much effort to edit)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject:               
Date & Time: 08/18/90 03:25:14
Message Number  7847

Nuke 'em 'till they GLOW.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: On the road... 
Date & Time: 08/18/90 06:57:28
Message Number  7848

New Kids On The Block fans are taking to the road!  After a concert the
band's tour bus was flocked by their fan's vehicles on their way to
Knoxville, TN ... Naturally, they used their CB to call Truck Drivers
to the rescue by surrounding the bus and making a convoy....
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/18/90 07:00:32
Message Number  7849

> You have hundred-dollar...
 
Actually $109
 
> tennis shoes with a silly pump..
 
No, I have the CXT's ... the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
 
> ... silly name ...
 
Hey, they're better than Nike Air Jordan's .........
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:07:17
Message Number  7851

And it's people like Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston that make ME glad
that you're a pinko liberal too......
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:08:53
Message Number  7852

damn, I hate defending those musicaly inept pukes but.....
  Little girls will be infatuated with media stars. Allways have been,
always will. The people I mentioned previously, Sinatra, Elvis, 
McCartney, Travolta etc, were far from lilly white morally, but
that just made them more apppealing to little girls looking for
a fantasy outlet, preferably one that aggravated their parents. The 
Beatles sold tons of buttons and posters 25 years ago, which probalbly
irritated the generation preceding us to no end. Todays marketing
techniques are slicker, and our kids have a few more dollars in their 
pockets, so it seems more extreme, but it's just evolution of the 
science of huckstering.
    Official Disclaimer: The views presented here are presented in a
    devils advocacy and open-minded manner. Any impression that I 
    like the NKOB or think their music has any value whatsoever shall
    be considered proof that you are functionally illiterate. 
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:18:36
Message Number  7853

I don't pretend that I can slow down my daughters 'social interaction',
I just said I preferred older and simpler times. She will and has 
already started 'interaction' at a rate that is frightening - have you
looked at any 13 year old boys lately. I'm just trying to convince her
(without success) that all boys are scum. I know, I used to be a boy,
and I wouldn't want her to go out with anybody like me.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ZOT GNOP            
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:24:49
Message Number  7854

I'm sorry, but the offspring of Frost Giants and dwarfs are 
physiologicaly imcompatable.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: MAX                 
Subject: moritorium     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 09:33:02
Message Number  7855

You've raised some valid points about where some members of CRS are
really coming from, but the greed of the few is not a reason to ruin
the lives of the many. Yes, we're over developed. Yes, we have real
problems with public services and utilities. Yes, we've got boneheads
on the county commision. But slamming the brakes on the local economy is
not going to help anything.
 Two of our commissioners came from the ranks of SOB, and found out
that solving the problems from within wasn't all that easy either. I
don't know if Eide can do any better, but he seems to have thought
these thing through a bit more thoroughly, and is concerned from a 
citizens viewpoint, not a special interest. There's no denying his
intellectual standing.
 One item that isn't addressed much is that we need to eliminate our
dependancy on the tourism/construction industry. Aside from some 
limited agriculture, we don't have any other industry. Perhaps we
could encourage a little bit of clean industry like Manatee and Lee 
counties do, so we could spread our economic base around.
 My biggest problem with the moritorium is that I don't see how putting
me out of a job is going to help. The big guys can just sit back, and
either retire or invest elsewhere. Right now I work 48+ every week, pay 
lots of taxes, spend all my money locally, and contribute time to
my daughters school. A moritorium would mean that I would be either
moveing, commuting mega-miles to work, or becoming a burden on society.
   I don't suppose anybody would like to support my family for
a while so that I can go to school faster than 3-6 hours at a time?
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: ...                 
Subject: thanks         
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:17:55
Message Number  7856

Thanks for the invitation to D and D's party at Holme.s Beach on Friday
I enjoyed myself. I am sorry that I got there late.
I was really impressed by what I saw and heard. There was no bitchen
(slang for you know what). There were about 40 people present. They
discussed legislation and social reform, the use of condoms, religious
affairs, Aids, college opening, food (really good food), business
ethics, etc.
Afterwards I went to the local bar down the road. I was approached twice
The bird who sat next to me had a slug out over a flake who walked out.
GHenerally I had a miserable time discussing gams and mamery glands on 
every gal that passed. This was an evening with a cop and P. O.
who I swore came from outter space and was in heat.
Again thasnks for the invitation to D and D's party. I really enjoyed
myself there. After this no more after party bar stops  even when
the locals invite.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: ALL                 
Subject: words          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 10:40:31
Message Number  7857

What is the big thing about tits and gams?
I walked into the lounge with a couple of friends and all of a sudden
tits and gams are everything. Out side the lounge caseload and tickets 
were the subject of the day. Is this altered reality or what?
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/18/90 11:54:08
Message Number  7858

No offense taken.  I said I'm getting my sense of humor back, right?!!
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/18/90 16:28:39
Message Number  7860

>Hey, if I could kiss Michelle Pfeiffer, I wouldn't mind being
>condemned to making Montgomry Ward commercials afterward...
                                 
Some Turtles are so easy.  I must say, sometimes you are a sad case.
                                   
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:15:41
Message Number  7861

 
  Yes, you now havecollecting inane lyrics down to a science.
  
  But, there is one thing you should keep in mind about songs like "She
Loves You" and "Hound Dog". Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit 
songs were inane drivel. Actually, most stuff up through the mid-sixties
wasn't terribly intelligent. There, of course were some exceptions. 
Anyway, besides "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah",I think Lennon and 
McCartney wrote better songs (for that time) such as "I'll Be On My Way"
(which was never recorded by the Beatles... but I digress)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:22:30
Message Number  7862

> Gheeze! (tm)
 
   Have you decided to trademark that now? You know, the same thing, 
sans the "ze" has been around for  a little while...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:24:42
Message Number  7863

> the CRT's are the ones for Tennis
 
  No, CRT's are the archai form of "computer monitors"....
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From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:26:17
Message Number  7864

 
  You know, one thing about the Beatles' morality was, it didn't get out
until the initial mania had died. As far as the kids were concerned, 
they were wholesome boys... Ah, well. I always overlooked their faults. 
On the other hand, Ken Ober continuously calls ex-Beatles "druggies". I 
proceded to call his brother a druggie on the same grounds. Needless to 
say, he did not give up his claim,  and he forced me to drop mine... 
  Grrr.....
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From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/18/90 21:29:50
Message Number  7865

> all boys are sucm...
 
   Alright. I guess you could say that. I seem to annoyingly have no 
common sense (according to some) and I'm a babbling idiot (according to 
others, who seem to babble more)... but I'm polite to females. I don't 
have the intentions that come with the word "scum". I'm just too shy and
inexperienced. 
  The point is: I don't want to be scum. I'm not scum.
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:16:31
Message Number  7868

Heeheheheh...what a trip...I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't 
a good time to ask any questions...I'll answer nicely later on....
               Lady]
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:18:59
Message Number  7869

NAaaaahh....(because, actually, I had a dirty mind long before I ever
knew Turtle!)
     :>
          A Dirty Minded Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: ICEFALCON           
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:20:21
Message Number  7870

I like your style....one problem though....I really love the Floyd, too.
          The Lady In Black]
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:22:10
Message Number  7871

:>...(maybe I should fax it, then? no? :>   )
             Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:25:39
Message Number  7872

'Course it is!
        Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:26:54
Message Number  7873

SHoot......
           Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:27:32
Message Number  7874

Hi....
       (there, are you happy, now? )
              :)
                  The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:30:19
Message Number  7875

.....Fuck thou.
              .....The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:31:45
Message Number  7876

Now wait just one minute....even though it's true, where do you
get off rubbing it in? HUH?  ;>
             Lacey
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:40:38
Message Number  7877

I don't mean to be rude, but is there anything that you DON'T have an
opinion on?
              Black Magic
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:41:40
Message Number  7878

YOU REALLY ARE A HEARTLESS ASSHOLE.  This I DO mean, intentionally.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/18/90 23:48:42
Message Number  7879

:)  I don't think the Specialist takes to kindly to anything I have to 
say...not that much of what I say means anything lately, anyway....
 
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:01:27
Message Number  7881

A sapient cat is no more a beast than a human is a chimpanzee...
the fact that both beings evolved from lesse ancestors would not
negate the fact that they are *sapient*, and therefore able to reach
mutual decisions about matters like sexual intercourse, which a human
and a beast /by definition/ cannot.
 
...yeah, I'd sleep with Reli...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:05:50
Message Number  7882

>Hmmm...does this mean that you prejudice against conservatives?
 
I'm prejudiced against idiocy. In my experience, there are more morons
who call themselves conservatives than morons who consider themselves
liberals; witness Pat Robertson, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, etc.
(Actually, idiocy isn't really the right word; let's call it instead
"posessing of a great deal of hypocricy and self-serving self-righteous-
ness.) This does not imply that there aren't liberals with the same
problems (Jesse Jackson, for instance); nor does it imply that all
conservatives fit that bill.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faith          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:09:25
Message Number  7883

Okay, that was poorly phrased, so let me try again. The gods in
which Hindu atheists don't believe are likely to be a plurality, and
(if you will) the gods whose existance Hindu agnostics aren't sure
about are also probably a multitude. The point I was trying to make
is that someone raised in a particular religious setting is very likely
to map /all/ his views onto the framework of that religion, even if he
doesn't believe in the religion itself. An agnostic in a Christian
culture will be uncertain about the existance of god; an agnostic
raised in a Hindu culture will be uncertain about the existance of the
gods. Both will probably not be aware of their bias, or, if they are,
will simply feel that the bias is the interpretation which in some way
makes more sense or seems more likely.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:14:01
Message Number  7884

>(Kept me from going out and killing innocent bystanders.)
 
So? You've never played the ever-popular game of Innocent Bystander
before? It's fun...
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cat            
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:18:17
Message Number  7885

You have hundred-dollar tennis shoes with a silly name and a silly
marketing strategy aimed at making people believe they can't be worn
while playing tennis...ya need another type of silly hundred-dollar
tennis shoes for that. And yes, the little air pump thing is
still /silly/. Me, I like the Asics Gel commercials that slam
inflatable shoes...the Asics are equally absurd as a form of footwear,
but their ads are more entertaining.
 
...stamp out ridiculous footwear!!!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:21:38
Message Number  7886

Jesse Jackson and Alan Cranston? Hey, let's not get nasty here! You
insist on hanging those losers around my neck and I'm gonna start
attacking you with the members of the Religious Right...with people
like Jim and Tammy Bakker, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson on your
side, I'm glad it's you and not me who's stuck on that side of the
fence, ya know?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:26:33
Message Number  7887

Yes, of course young girls are going to be enthralled with whatever
media idol gets thrust into their eager and shining little faces,
be it Elvis or the New Kids. That's kind of inevidable. I wonder,
though, at the wisdom of /preferring/ that one's young pride and joy
be infatuated with some abstract quantity like a pop idol than
a real (and accessible) person, from whom said young child can learn
more than the effectiveness of media marketing. Social skills are good
things to have, after all, and ain't nobody what's gonna pick 'em up
from the likes of the New Kids...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: words          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:32:00
Message Number  7888

>What is the big thing about tits and gams?
 
Beats me. At a guess: they're the favorite topic of conversation for
those who are (a) sexually frustrated and incapable of any sort of
subtlety, grace, or any other useful skill that may help them solve
this problem; (b) /not/ sexually frustrated but not terribly secure in
their own (i) sexuality or (ii) masculinity and therefore who need to
impress those around them at all times; (c) simply unused to the novel
concept of treating women as sapient beings.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:35:14
Message Number  7889

>Some Turtles are so easy.
 
Hey, I ain't easy, but I'm worth the effort! (smirk)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:36:00
Message Number  7890

>Back in the 1950's and early 60's, most hit songs were inane drivel.
 
And now, in the '90's, most hit songs are--guess what?--inane drivel.
 
>...I think Lennon and McCartney wrote better songs...
 
Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise. Even groups (or individuals)
who are capable of producing remarkable music can pull the occasional
boner. Whitesnake is a good example of this sort of thing: almost all
ther songs are either exceptionally good or utterly insipid, with very
little in-between. Same with Heart; the people who recorded "These
Dreams" were also responsible for "Magic Man," which is truly a
monument to its own insipidness.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:39:39
Message Number  7891

The Beatle's morality, or lack thereof, is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the
quality of their music, which is something I hope Ken is bright enough
to figure out. Music is either good or bad on its own merits, which
have nothing whatever to do with the behavior of the people who
write that music. Besides, what's he got against druggies?? Some of my
best friends are some of the most colossal stoners who ever did walk the
face of this here earth!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-0           
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:43:20
Message Number  7892

>I'm in a REAL BITCH mood, so now isn't a good time to ask any
>questions?
 
Izzat so? Why? And what happens if I /do/ ask questions?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:45:19
Message Number  7893

>.....Fuck thou.
 
Don't tease, dearest.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 00:50:09
Message Number  7895

Hey...watch the ad hminems, please! If you feel the need to attack
something, it might be preferable to target the statements or ideas
you disagree with rather than the person stating them, hmm? Name-calling
does little to enhance your position, and in most cases it doesn't even
make clear what it is that you disagree with, or why.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:12:53
Message Number  7896

ouch.....no please.....don't hit me with the Religious Right......or
was that a right cross.....well, that's better than your left hook.
BTW, how're your good friends Jim Wright, Tip O'Neil, ED KOCH (oops, 
didn't mean to slip that one in below the belt) James Earl Carter,
Cyrus Vance, Marion Barry and Barney Frank?
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:17:40
Message Number  7897

Your right to the degree that the kiddos don't actually meet or
interact with the band. However, it leads to more activities with 
other girls of like interest. I believe that when 4 girls close the
door, listen to music, talk and giggle for 12 hours, there is normal
social interaction going on. Their 'hobby' or interest in music is
just as valid to them as my interests in computers, golf and footballl
are to me. 
  I think you've somehow gotten the impression that my daughter is 
being stifled socially. Nothing could be further from the truth. I 
couldn't stop her development if I wa, but it is my responsibility
to help her stay on the right track - or as close to it as possible.
One of the hardest things in the world is to convince a 13 year old
that what seems like the most important thing on earth right now won't
matter worth a damn next year. 
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From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: scum           
Date & Time: 08/19/90 09:29:42
Message Number  7898

I didn't mean to imply that you personally are scum. However, to the 
best of my recollection, when I was a teenager I only had one erection -
it lasted for seven years. My main channels of thought were girls, how
to get my hands on girls, how to get a better look at girls, etc, etc.
I'm not saying all boyare like this, just all the ones I grew up with.
  While this is perfectly normal, so is the paternal instinct to hold
the teenage hormone monsters at bay. Parenting is one of those things
that you don't understand until you try it, and then you REALLY don't
understand. 
  
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/19/90 10:00:36
Message Number  7899

Dearest,
Forget the FAX...would you consider FedEx'ing it? ;>
                           The Yngling
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:54:44
Message Number  7901

> Yes, I did not mean to imply otherwise...
 
  Yeah, I know. I just was referring to the fact that at the same time
that Lennon/McCartney wrote "She Loves You" "Love Me Do" and "I Want to 
Hold Your Hand", they did write something that was real nice, yet they 
gave it away to another group.
 
> today...inane drivel...
 
  Yes, but back in the 50's and 60's, weren't there fewer alternatives 
to inane drivel??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: scum           
Date & Time: 08/19/90 12:59:57
Message Number  7902

> I only had one erction - it lasted for seven years...
 
  Gheee... That must've been tough. (I mean that in a humourous, not 
insulting way... I get the point too...)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/19/90 16:57:05
Message Number  7903

That's "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog/cryin' all the time," you
tuneless twit.  Elvis' songs were generallwritten before the time of
complete incoherency in rock music.  They were usually bad for other
reasons (repeating the above line three times and ending with "You ain't
nothin' but a hound dog and you ain't no friend of mine" hardly
qualifies as Don Henley, or even Bruce Springsteen on an off day), but
what little thought went into them was generally expressed in complete
sentences.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:00:32
Message Number  7904

The New Kids' choreographer is Paula Abdul.  While I generally avoid
reading much about them, I haven't seen anything to back up Ken's
assertion that one of them is homosexual -- in fact, I haven't seen much
to indicate they're bisexual, heterosexual or any kind of sexual at
all, although one of them has a girlfriend.  Did it occur to you that
Ken is probably yanking your admittedly large chain on the subject of
homosexuality?  He's just more subtle about it than AJ is (if that
message about hard bodies wasn't written with the intention of setting
you off, I don't know what was).
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: [D            
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:06:21
Message Number  7905

If you've never made a tie close enough that breaking it would hurt,
it sounds like you lead a fairly lonely life.  Just an observation.  I
simply think there are some assumptions you're working on that you
refuse to question.  It's more comfortable NOT to question those
assumptions, especially seeing as you've had them for all your life.
But assertions like "homosexuality is so bad it would outweigh all
good things, which would all be tainted with 'bad' anyway" are
disturbing to me on a different level than "The Specialist doesn't
agree with me and I think he's wrong."
   Honestly, I don't see how I /could/ think less of someone's art,
his writing, his music, his conversation and company -- and his
friendship -- if I found out that he was bisexual or homosexual.  What
does the one have to do with the rest?  Assuming he's not making a
pass at me (which has never happened), why should I be bothered?
   I have never understood how it's possible to hate another human
being who hasn't done something to you, or to people you care about,
unless you're talking about a mass murderer.  Most people I know who
hate a group based on a prejudice dehumanize them in some way, because
it makes it easier.  They're niggers, or kikes, ...or fags.  But not
human beings who have a different skin color, religion, or sexuality
from the haters'.  This is one of the most dangerous attitudes a
person can have.  I *have* seen your side; I was there about seven years
ago, until I thought through what I just said, and met a few "fags"
who were too human to be monsters.  So when you say 'why can't you see
my point,' I have.  I just came to the conclusion that it's extremely
unfair and potentially destructive, and -- to me -- felt as immoral as
I perceive groups like the White Aryan Resistance to be.
   So why aren't you willing to consider my point?  Have you had some
bad experience with one gay you're abstracting to others?  Or do you
prefer hating them because it's the easiest thing to do?
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:22:58
Message Number  7906

Elves are fantasy creatures, so I have no idea what they'd be like
genetically.  Reli would have as much in common with your pet Persian
Fluffy as you do with Koko the gorilla; logically, if she's a beast,
then so are humans, because they're both equally removed from their
ancestors.  (Of course, it's been argued by others that humans are
beasts anyway, so who knows.)
 
If you mean I didn't answer your original question as to whether or not
I could have sex with Reli -- yes, I did: on the Armadillo Connection's
"Mythagoras" base.  I answered it in some detail, in fact.  The short
form is that yes, I most certainly could.  Whether or not I would is
a different question entirely, however, and one that I could not
honestly answer.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/19/90 17:36:42
Message Number  7907

Given a choice between Jimmy Carter and Jerry Falwell, I'd choose Carter
any day.  Of course, I /like/ Carter.  I'm glad he's not president
anymore, mind you, but I like him.  I have to wonder if, thirty years
from now, when history books look back at the late 20th century,
Carter will be considered a better president than Reagan.  Carter lost
the election mostly due to the stupidly-conceived hostage rescue
mission (although to be fair, the idea of sending in a commando squad
sounds closer to a Clint Eastwood movie than the lily-livered "send
flowers, not guns" approach most liberals are accused of); now that
the heat of the moment has died down, his popularity is rising again.
True, his adminstration can be summed up by "In the White House during
the years 1976-1980, nothing happened," but 30 years from now, the
Reagan administration will be remembered mostly for increasing the
deficit by an order of magnitude, and--something that hasn't really
sunk in yet ANYWHERE, liberals or otherwise--having the most corrupt
staff in the nation's history.  "But gosh, he shore looked good on
telly-vision."
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/20/90 01:03:49
Message Number  7911

Yes, but did your friends sing music that obviously glamorized drugs,
and had it played on the radio all over the country?
 
(Damn, and I'll be out of town for a week .. Grrr .. Can't see responses
to this message ... oh well ..._
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-0           
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:21:48
Message Number  7915

Hehehe...you tested me!  HMPH! :>  I'm in a better mood now, so I
can't really answer that question properly.
               The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:22:41
Message Number  7916

THPH!
     Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:23:15
Message Number  7917

Tough shit...I'm pissed off, not at an action, but at a person.  I 
don't plan on NOT letting that person know...get the picture...
                  Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 11:25:14
Message Number  7918

:)
    Lacey
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:22:44
Message Number  7920

>I live in the same society and have to deal with them.
  
How do YOU "deal" with them???   Just curious.....
 
>Sysop of ALTnet BBS
  
What's the number???? Probably listed around, I just don't look where
I'm supposed to. Don't read instructions often either...<grin>.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:25:15
Message Number  7921

Get some sleep now, I think this topic is as well....<yawn>...ooops,
its only 12noon, rough night. I *HATE* anything that has to do with 
abuse or mis-treatment of children. Saw a special on the news the other
night about some country that has thousands of abandoned children with
AIDS and they are just penned up in cribs in hospital rooms and
ignored until they die. These kids were only 1 or 2 years old. This
guy was trying to make them feel a little loved before they pass away
and just looking at these kids tore me up inside. I even slept with
mine that night, felt good to be with 'em. Man can be a really
heartless bastard at times.......<sob>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:32:19
Message Number  7922

I guess in the long run (or the short run) unless you're yelling
"WRONG" and I'm yelling "RIGHT" then we're both one the same side...
...that is the OUTSIDE looking in observing the topic and talking
about it rather omnipotently. I like that. Too many people discuss a
topic and think they're out to prove the opponent WRONG and feel hurt
unless they sway them into "their" beliefs.....too bad. All I need to
know is my opinion is right for me. If I learn otherwise, I'll change
my opinion <grin>.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Animalism?     
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:37:30
Message Number  7923

I guess the chances of UN-pithing a frog are pretty slim. I used to deal
with Carolina Biological Supply who is one of the countries biggest
suppliers of disecting specimens. The stuff they dealt with was unreal.
They would be sending out truck loads of fetal pigs, squid, rabbits,
frogs, fish...etc,etc,etc. I wonder how many people you could feed
with that much stuff if it weren't being butchered by high school
kids??? Just how much education do you think that contributes too?
What are the chances of numbing a childs fear of carving up an animal
by MAKING him/her do it in school???
   
"Bobby, where's Spot??? He hasn't eaten his supper...."
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/20/90 12:42:59
Message Number  7924

>normal "bloodthirsty".....repulsive
  
Know exactly what you mean!!! We did a project in high school of making
a movie that was a take off of the Grapes of Wrath. Had some film left
over so we shot about twenty minutes in the biology lab with kids
dancing their half-disected rabbits around on the table...guts hangin'
out and stuff. Put it in as an intermission show, kids loved it,
teachers hated it. Kind of sick, but hell, that's life...er, death.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ICEFALCON           
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/20/90 17:59:49
Message Number  7925

AhemWhile I adre Steve Vai (fellow string banger and what all) I
would hesitate to put him in the same league as Pink Floyd simply 
because they advance music on many fronts while he still masters and
pushes the guitar to the limits.  Depeche Mode is very original but
suffer from the desire to cater to the dance crowd.
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From: JONBOY              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:02:33
Message Number  7926

BL>tI believe it is the true Christian's obligation to convert non-belie
 
Sorry Lew, it is your job simply to spread the Word.  In no where does
it state that you are capable of "converting" anyone.  It is very
plain that you are simply to present the facts and let God do the rest.
It is also stated that a person is convicted of the Holy Spirit.
I guess what I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that you are a messenger
nothing more nothing less.  That's why the Lord told the 70 he sent out
to state the Word and if they were not accepted, to leave shaking the
dust from their sandals to show that they were rejected in turn.
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From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:07:59
Message Number  7927

'Tis true, I personally have found that the real weirdos that are 
heavy into S&M have this really peculiar idea that if they persist
you will somehow "learn" to like it.  I liken it to the old male
fallacy that "every woman wants ""IT"" and secretly enjoy rape.
That earns my * Unmitigated Bullshit * (tm) stamp every time.  Really
makes you wonder if there is a relationship between the two ....
I *do* enjoy feathers tho...
:) JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:11:46
Message Number  7928

* Sighhhh *  And I had such enjoyable visions of a suddenly liberated
gal giving an impromptu burlesque to an awed, amazed and appreciative
audience of lust crazed adolescents!  Why ain't reality any *fun*???
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:20:50
Message Number  7929

R>What look is the wood nymph look?  I've seen two or three nice lookin'
R>wood nymphs, but what look are /you/ talking about?  
 
Gee, I wouldn't want to make you feel left out or anything...
Actually - if you've seen and recognized a wood nymph - this is a moot
point as you obviously zeroed in on that "wood nymph look".
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Zappa          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:25:00
Message Number  7930

SB>Hey, don't think Zappa is out there to just make a joke with his 
SB>music. He jams out 
 
Now did /I/ ever give the impression that he is a joke?  Fact:  Frank 
Zappa is considered one of the top ten guitar players in the world
in a Rolling Stone survey (many years ago - granted).
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:36:13
Message Number  7931

MAX>> I have no tolerance for lima beans...
 
I'm sorry Max - that's really perverse!  I mean, baby Limas soaked
in a butter sauce - Mmmmmm Mmmmmmm!  Served up with pork chops and
mashed taters.....  Hot damn!
 
Not to throw too much gas on the fire but of all the lesbians I've 
known - most have been the butch variety.  Of the males - it's 
about even up.  I think that it is a mistake to attack the stereotypes
because even in the gay community they are used to describe the "type"
of person they are between themselves.  A curious thought that maybe
AJ can answer for me:  Could it be that this is used as "internal"
type talk and that it is OK for an "insider" to use the terms but they
are hated when used by "others".  I know for example that while the
term "nigger" is universally despised when used by a non-negro, negros
use the term as a personal derogatory bereft (sp?) of connotations.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:48:55
Message Number  7932

TS>I could continue to argue ... I am not going to argue with you 
 
I understand my friend.  You feel that you have a valid opinion and
indeed, whether I or anyone else disagrees with it, it /is/ your
belief and you are entitled to it.  I would merely ask that you never
use your bias in an overt act of hostility.  We are all people and 
no one deserves to be slammed over what and who they are.
 
			                                        JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 18:53:58
Message Number  7933

Speaking of OrCAD - I found something that you do /not/ want to repeat.
I used the DXF driver to export a printed circuit silkscreen to Corel
Draw running under Windows 3.0.  I wanted to use it in the docs for
this circuit I just built for a company - anyway.  My God!  On a 386
machine loading from a hard drive it took 35 minutes to digest the
damned thing!  Then after editing it took another 25 minutes to print
it with the printmanager on top priority.  Yech !  Barf@  I *hate*
MSDOS some days.  My only consolation:  what other machine can I afford
that lets me do these things?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:00:52
Message Number  7934

TS>Oh, you're so sick!  Just...arrgh!  Disgusting!  Repugnant!  AUGH! 
 
Well... I guess this is sufficient repudiation of my earlier message.
Sighhh...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:13:23
Message Number  7935

T>He generally seems to be more  interested in special effects than in /
T>/music/,
 
Ummm Steve Vai is, as you say, damned good.  It so happens that he is
capable of far more than his "employers" (DLR, WhiteSnake etc) really
use.  If you would like a good exposure to the types of music that he
is capable of listen to the music in a movie :"CrossRoads".  He played
all the guitar except the inimitable slide guitar of Ry Cooder.  He
admits that he gained his technical expertise from countless hours
of transcribing /other/ peoples music.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 19:21:32
Message Number  7936

My favorite from Paul Kantner and Grace Slick from the albumn
:Baron von TollBooth and the Chrome Nun".
Seven Inches of Pleasure - seven inches going home
Somebody must have neasured - All the way down the old bone.
 
(Now we are *really* talking trivia here!)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:04:39
Message Number  7937

Ooooooh.....so now ya wanna fight dirty, huh? Well, while I'm giving my
regards to my "friends," perhaps you should send my best to
Charles H. Keating, Jr, Neil Bush, Richard Milhaus Nixon, Edwin Meese,
and particularly to David Duke, okay?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:17:59
Message Number  7938

>Yes, but back in the 50's and 60's, weren't there fewer alternatives
>to inane drivel??
 
Well, I wasn't around in the 50's and wasn't sapient in the 60's, so 
it's hard to say. It seems that little in the way of really interesting
music has survived the 50's and 60's--but then again, groups like
Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd were getting started in the 60's, so perhaps
the picture wasn't as dismal as all that.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-7           
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:26:25
Message Number  7939

>Hehehe...you tested me!
 
Of course.
 
>HMPH!
 
Thpth.
 
>I'm in a better mood now...
 
...so you'll be more civil to me next time we converse?? :) (All right,
all right, that's unfair, but hey, so am I.)
 
By the way, your cat likes me...can I adopt him?? Please??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:29:41
Message Number  7940

There are ways to tell someone you find his views unacceptable, or
childish, or whatever, without simply calling him an asshole. I would
definitely prefer that we keep the name-slinging down, or at least make
it somewhat more creative, okay? 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:32:07
Message Number  7941

>Saw a special on the news the other night about some country that has
>thousands of abandoned children with AIDS...
 
Rumania. The country in question has a really backward medical
establishment; in addition to having no sanitary facilities to speak of,
they have a tradition that weak or sickly children are injected with
small quantities f blood from a healthy adult on the theory that this
will strengthen them (much as eating a lion's heart gives a tribal
warrior the strength of the lion, etc.) Result: A large number of
children with hepatitis, AIDS, and other blood-borne illnesses you
normally wouldn't think a child would be exposed to.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Animalism?     
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:37:43
Message Number  7942

Carolina Biological Supply is a truly amazing thing, and I mean that in
the worst possible way. You have to wonder what, exactly, is being
accomplished by taking a bunch of high-school students and turning
them loose on a bunch of frogs--if the state of American education as
compared to any other country's is any indication, it sure isn't
producing more educated people. Hell--a lot of high-school students know
so little about biology that they don't even associate sex with
reproduction; turning these people loose on helpless amphibians doesn't
seem likely to instill a thorough understanding of basic physiology...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:47:10
Message Number  7943

>...of all the lesbians I've known - most have been of the "butch"
>variety.
 
Really? Lucky you--of all the lesbians (and female bisexuals) I've known
*not one* has matched that stereotype. In fact, a significant percentage
has been about as far from that stereotype as it's possible to get and
still be a mammalian biped...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/20/90 21:50:24
Message Number  7944

>My only consolation: what other machine can I afford that lets me do
>these things?
 
Well, lesse. DEC's just dropped the price of their DECstation RISC
machines to about $5900 for the whole kit 'n' kaboodle (including
8MB of RAM, ULTRIX license, even the friggin' monitor!), which is a
lot less than most 386 machines. Or there's always an Amiga...
 
...btw, a friend of mine (the one whose Amiga I was babysitting over the
summer) wants to put a 68030 processor card in the sucker now...14.977
MIPS for $1700. Pretty cool, neh?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/20/90 22:36:46
Message Number  7945

> did your friends sing music that obviously glamorized drugs, and had 
> it played on the radio all over the country?
 
   Grrrr.... I'd like to rip your head off... Actually, you are quite
annoyingly correct on a few topics, but you are obviously uninformed on 
that particular statement. I asked you to come up with ONE song that 
glamorized drugs, and you said "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds", and the
case for that advocating drug use is about the same as saying Judas 
Priest's "Better By You...(whatever the song was)" advocates suicide. 
You could argue that the Beatles music was INFLUENCED by drug use, but
that's a whole different ball game...
 
  Gee, and I've probably just wasted space in the message base...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/20/90 22:44:09
Message Number  7946

> Kids loved it, teachers hated it. Kind of sick, but...that's life...
 
  Yeah. I just don't like people who get so into slasher pics an things
like that, that they don't have any qualms at all about cutting up 
animals. God, I didn't really want to do it, and all through it, it was 
not the best thing to do in school, but it IS better to learn by doing
than looking. Not to mention that NONE of the diagrams we looked at 
looked ANYTHING like the insides of the animals we dissected...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: -*ALL*-             
Subject: Nightmare      
Date & Time: 08/21/90 00:55:08
Message Number  7947

Speaking of New Kids on the Block, which some of us have been, and
bad music in general, I had a nightmare I'd like to share with y'all
that's kind of germane to the subject. See, I dreamed I was dragged by
a friend to a concert by a man I'd never heard of before; the gentleman
walked onstage and opened his show with the crowd-pleasing statement
"I may be a Christian and a country singer, but I know how to rap!"
 
AAAAAAIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: XTEVE               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hardcards/orcad
Date & Time: 08/21/90 12:07:58
Message Number  7949

Hello,  I should have the orcad drivers today or tomorrow,  give me a 
call on voice line, ok?  I don't have your phone number so if you could 
leave it on my answering machine that would be cool.  my # is 351-7726.
By the way, I called Plus tech support and they said they'd send me a 
free replacement for my hardcard!  Pretty amazing considering I'm not 
even the original owner.  It's probably a refurbished model or something
by it's guaranteed for another two years, so i'm not complaining.  They 
definitely know how to keep their customers. (I was pretty perturbed 
to begin with when I found out that their tech support line was a "900"
number.  No sexy babes answered either...
Yeah, i think I did tell Charles that you sent me.
AutoCad 10 worked great on my machine for a good two minutes with the co
processor (then my hardcard stuck).
I won't need an epson either since I now can use the IBM Graphics driver
.  well, see ya!             -Xteve
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:09:07
Message Number  7953

Dearest Lady,
How come it takes you so long to get around to reading your private
mail?  
            The Yngling
===========

From: MAX                 
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:51:03
Message Number  7954

The stereotype of the butch or queen is worth attacking for the same
reason that any other stereotype is.  Yes, there are some who conform
to it, or it wouldn't have become a stereotype; but when people take
the stereotype as fact, they can dismiss /everyone/ of that sexual
orientation -- or color, religion, sex, etc. -- based on it.  Look at
some of the conversation back on this board: because the stereotype of
the lisping Liberace lover has been presented as fact, too many people
are quite willing to assume that ALL homosexuals and bisexuals are
that way.  Take 95YNF's "Dykes on Bikes" (please).  It's funny on some
occasions... but it's funny because of that stereotype.  It doesn't
exactly encourage thinking of lesbians as people... and that's the
danger I see in any stereotype: it dehumanizes the target. Hell, even
people who DO conform to a few aspects of a given stereotype are often
worth knowing if you get past that stereotype.  If the stereotype
wasn't encouraged or taken seriously in the first place, it won't be
there to "get past"... and it probably won't be missed.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: JONBOY              
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 15:58:19
Message Number  7955

There is an OrCAD-type product in beta test for the Amiga right now.
The expected release price is around $400 or so.  AmigaDOS 2.0 is
better than Windows 3.0 anyway... not that saying that is saying a
whole lot, I suppose.  Turtle tells me that it's actually an extremely
usuable GUI, though, and unlike any of the MS-DOS ones I've seen (and
the earlier Amiga versions), it will work with /any/ program for the
DOS, including ones that don't have icon files associated with them.
You can launch programs with the mouse as background tasks, lots of
other little gadgets floating around, and it runs about 4x faster than
the old versions of AmigaDOS, too.
   But anyway, there's a printed circuit designer that's supposed to
be professional-level coming out for the Amiga shortly.  Time will
tell....
===========

From: THRUD               
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/21/90 16:41:09
Message Number  7956

Sure, how could you not like Jimmy Carter. He's a regular guy. He lives
his ideals - habitat et al. He honestly wants to do good in the world,
and works for fairness and justice. This all makes him a good Christian
and a good 'elder statesman.' However, that dosn't, or didn't make him
a good leader or president. He was too much of a nice guy, a patsy. 
While I don't want to get into a chain where I have to defend RWR, the
initial reason for the massive deficiet spending of the '80s was to pull
us out of the inflation and unemployment of the '70s. Carter's economic
policy was um....uh.....let's wait and see. 
  I've usually agreed with the conservative ideas that came with teh
Reagan administration, but was never particularly fond of him or his
management style. I think he was overwhelmed by the office, and wound
up delegating a lot of authority to people who did not serve him or the
country well. The main reason he was so popular was that people tend to
not look past their driveways where politics are concerned - if your
wallet is in good shape, the frig is full and there are two cars in the
driveway, then the government (president) must be doing a good job.
  I think George may be the best pres we've had lately. He's had the
widest range of experience across the entire spectrum of govt service
of any recent pres, as well as a higher  IQ.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:17:27
Message Number  7957

T>"Magic Man," which is truly a monument to its own insipidness. 
 
Ohhhh, but I *love* that acoustic intro!  Ann Wilson can play her ass
off and is in my book as a top-notch guitarist!  I was really shocked
to see how dowdy that Nancy is starting to look.  I met them once in
Wilmington N.C, of all places...
 
		                               A Guitar-playin JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THRUD               
Subject: scum           
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:22:21
Message Number  7958

T>Parenting is one of those things that you don't understand ...
 
Not to mention that studies show that a very significant factor in
father-daughter relationships is the hidden sexual aspect.  I personally
was shocked to find that a lot of fathers (like statistically most)
surreptitiously study their daughter's budding sexuality and have
tension due to conflicting emotions.  The problem (theorize here) is tha
that a loving relationship exists and the libidos of both people get
stimulated and confused and sometimes mistakenly identified as sexual
attraction.  
Matter of fact I performed a very impromptu survey of females that I 
knew after I read the article - wow!  Most of the girls related stories
of their dad "accidentally" walking in on them at baths, peeking down
their blouses, pinching their breasts with lewd (albeit, paternalistic)
comments and more than I can relate here.  
 
                                      JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:29:55
Message Number  7959

From what my dad related to me - life in the 50's /WAS/ inane drivel!
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:41:16
Message Number  7960

t>Really? Lucky you--
 
Now be nice...  the funniest gal I ever met was at a Denny's at 2:30
in the morning last January.  She was raising hell with a couple of
cowboys that were moving in on "her girls" (she had 3 lovers!!!!).
Me and my buddy and a girl that was with me moved over to their table
for moral support (at first we only saw 2 rednecks and 4 babes).  She
told us if we though /we/ were gonna move in on her gals we better
leave.  Tara explained that we were there to discourage the rednecks so
she mellowed out.  Jan fascinated me...she had cultivated "butchism"
to an extreme including a very deep gravelly voice.  I asked her why
and she floored me with her answer... "It get the babe's attention".
She was a really funny and entertaining person but after I got to
know her a little better (she was a very shy reclusive person) she
was shown to be a very tragic personality.  She moved out of state when
two of her lovers left for Salt Lake City but the couple of months that 
I knew her (we set up Saturday nites at Denny's for party time) she
was never ever caught out of context.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 20:49:49
Message Number  7961

Well, I have $1600 in my 16 Mhz 286 with VGA and 85 MB hard drive.  An
Amiga would cost several hundred more and does /NOT/ have any engineerin
or good CAD programs available.  Not to mention compatibility with anyon
else.  Personally I would love one of the DECStations with Ultrix and
their 600 MB CDROM with MSDOS executable as a window - the best of all
worlds but it weighs in at $12,000.  I am not, never have been and never
will be a computer bigot.  They all have things to recommend them and
serve a useful purpose if only to play games on.  I just wish I could
have one of everything.  I'd love an Amiga for the MIDI and graphics 
alone!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/21/90 21:58:13
Message Number  7962

"Gheeze" and "Armadillo Connection" are trademarks of Ken Ober 
Enterprizes.  I was simply avoiding a lawsuit.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:05:25
Message Number  7963

M>...it doesn't take a liberal to be worried about involving U.S. troops
M>in a war that isn't ours after Vietnam.
  
Yup.  Typical liberal attitude.  "a war that isn't ours".NUH-UH!  The wa
war would be ours.  You think that an attack on our 
"Economic intrests" is any different of an attack?  No, it is still an 
attack.  
  Don't paint it in "glorious colors"...I wasn't.  But I don't think 
that some pussy liberal would make an effort such as Bush has done. Oh,
sure, Duckie might have sent over a few token troops...so that they 
could get thier asses kicked and sent back home!  An all out coordinated
effort is the thing, now.  And that is what Bush is doing...the ships
in the gulf are obviously a blockade.  Starve 'em.  The troops in 
Saudi Arabia are a coordinated, well formed fighting force.  Jimmy 
Carter (say, wasn't he a democrat?) tried to pull off a resue attempt...
and blundered it.  It took a republican to get in office to make those 
in Iran sit up and reconsider thier position seriously...think about it.
Iraq is gonna give in due to pressure---one way or the other.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:15:48
Message Number  7964

BM>...anything you don't have an opinion on?
  
   Hmmm.  I can't think of anything I don't care about right off 
hand...how about you?
                             The Specialist
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:17:21
Message Number  7965

BM>YOU REALLY ARE A HEARTLESS ASSHOLE.  This I DO mean, intentionally.
  
Well, I didn't think that you meant it *unintentionally*.   How can 
you say that?  What did I do that was so heartless?  
  
Look, he *IS* a sick individual.  Besides, who wants to hear about his
SICKO homosexual encounters, anyway?  YOU?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:20:22
Message Number  7966

BM> I don't think the Specialist takes kindly to anything I have to
BM>say...
  
  (Excuse me.)  Not true!  Your incorrect attitude towards gays not
withstanding, I can tell that you are probably a very caring, sensitive
person with a great sense of humor!  Some of the things you post are 
actually pretty funny!  
  
   Well, you probably don't believe this, but let me say this: I can
admire you for the volunteer work you do. 
  
  
   I'm not entirely heartless.  Asshole, maybe, but not entirely 
heartless.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:27:30
Message Number  7967

Yes, I never debated sapience, though.  A cat is a cat.  A sapient cat
is still a cat.  A cat is still a beast.   A tinking cat would still be 
a cat.  A thinking cat would still be a beast.  A sapient one, yes, but 
still a beast. 
  
  Incedentally, the thing that separates us from chimps is the number
of chromosomes we have...would Reli have the same # of chromosomes?
I'm not talking about mentally, here, I'm talking about genetically.
Now, if Reli had the same # of chromosomes, I'd have no problem with 
not calling her a beast (yew...when I say it like that, I feel like I'm 
being insulting...and she doesn't even exist!).  Or, if Reli had the 
same # of chromosomes as an ordinary housecat, then she could be 
classified as a cat.  When you combine an Asian and a European, you get
a human.  You can't combine a simian and a human.  If you could combine 
Reli and a house cat then she is a beast. If you couldn't then she is
not.  Also, what would the result of a Reli/Human mating be?  A cat? A 
human?  Like Reli but more pronounced human features?  
  
  I have a new debate...alright!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:42:16
Message Number  7968

T>...the people who recorded "These Dreams" were also responsible for
T>"Magic Man," which is truly a monument to its own insipidness.
  
Yes, but the music is fantastic!!!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:50:56
Message Number  7969

M>...but did it co
...but did it occur to you that Ken...yanking your...chain?
Yes, but I couldn't pass up the chance to bash a homo.
M>...if that message about hard bodies...[to set you off]
  
  Hah!  You think that he wasn't serious?  Then in that case, then
YOU had better get over your naiivety.  He was serious.  He was just
demonstrating how typically gay he is.  Sick.
  
  And on the outside chance he posted it just to pull my chain...then I
guess it klnda backfired, didn't it?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: How? You see,  
Date & Time: 08/21/90 22:58:17
Message Number  7970

M> So why aren't you willing to consider my point?
  Simple.  Your point is not worth considering.
M>Have you had some bad experience with one gay you're abstracting to
M>others?
  I've never had ANY 'experience' with gays.  I avoid them like the
plague.  (Ah, good comparison... AIDS=plague)  I knew a few - that is,
knew of a few.  I NEVER saw or heard of anything I liked about them.
Nothing.  Quite the contrary, I heard bad things.  And upon doing some
investigating of my own, I confirmed them.
M>Or do you prefer hating them because it's the easiest thing to do?
  I prefer 'hating' them because they are worthy of being despised. 
What they do is sick, and no, you have NOT seen it from my viewpoint,
DON'T try to say that you have and write it off.  YOU were NOT in 
my "position" when you were younger, you were nowhere near the 
"aversion" I have to them.
  
   Max, I am trying to drop this thread, everyone is sick of it, and
so am I.  You are not making this easy...if you continue to question 
me I have to continue to answer and then everyone else is going to 
jump in on it and what will happen is that we will have a big 
pissing contest like what was going on.   Everyone has requested me 
to drop this thing and that's what I want to do.  Just shut up and 
help me drop it.  Please.  (Sorry about that "shut up"...I was on
not thinking about what I was typing.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:11:32
Message Number  7971

Reagan INHERITED a large deficit.  And he will be remembered as the 
president who built our defenses up after that LIBERAL Carter let 
them go all to hell....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:14:35
Message Number  7972

>Tough shit...
 
Well said.  You don't like my opinion?  "Tough shit". (tm)
  
  
  
  
  
"Tough Shit" and "Heartless Asshole" are trademarks of Typical Women,
Inc.  Any use here implies thier direct meaning.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:24:32
Message Number  7973

JB>I would merely ask that you never use your bias in an overt act of
JB>hostility.  
  
  Ok, I won't start it.  BUT! If someone provokes me, watch out.  
(Case in point AJ's message.)
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Machines       
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:26:42
Message Number  7974

JB> ...what other machine can I afford that lets me do these things?
  
  Well, I understand that the Amgia is pretty hot...
   
  
  
 
 
   Gag!  I hated saying that...
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: XTEVE               
Subject: hardcards/orcad
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:36:10
Message Number  7975

Replace your hardcard?  Great!  Let me know if you need any help 
installing it (lowlevelformat/partition/format stuff). 
  It's kninda late right now, but you can bet that I'll give you a 
all asap...I need those drivers!!  Hmmm...do you suppose that he 
could get me the rest?
   Not that I'm being greedy or anything...
  
.s
(grr...  /s, how quaint)
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/21/90 23:42:14
Message Number  7976

JB>I was really shocked to see how dowdy tht Nancy is starting to look.
  
  What?  Whoa!  Are we talking about the same ones, here?  Anne=Dark 
hair...Nancy=Blonde hair, right?
  
In that case, have you noticed how FAT the dark haired one is getting?
I think that the Blonde is far, Far better looking than the Brunette!
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:16:17
Message Number  7977

Trust me, women don't enjoy rape....
      Feathers, huh?  I might be able to get into those...:>
                Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:17:06
Message Number  7978

<amazing smirk inserted here!>
             The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-7           
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:20:57
Message Number  7979

MY CAT DOES NOT LIKE YOU!  He loves me!!!! 
(AND, NO, you cannot adopt him!) 
QED...
        Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:21:53
Message Number  7980

NO.
     :>
        The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:24:28
Message Number  7981

I usually don't know I have any! SORRY...
             The Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:28:30
Message Number  7982

....And I'm in shock.
              Lady
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:29:58
Message Number  7983

DON'T EVER refer to me as being a typical woman.  I am nothing of 
the sort, and refuse to be lumped as such.
       Don't test me on this one, either.
                   Black Magic
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From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nightmare      
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:41:55
Message Number  7986

> "I may be a Christian and a country singer, but I know how to rap!"
 
  Ah, call NBC! I bet they can turn it into a series. With shows like 
"Hull High", "Fresh Prince of Bel Aire" and "The Guys Next Door", they
can probably do anything with so-called music.
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From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: inane lyrics   
Date & Time: 08/22/90 00:47:33
Message Number  7987

> From what my dad related to me  - life in the 50's /WAS/ inane drivel!
 
  Ah, but I don't really mind some inane drivel. Inane pop drivel I like
but inane rap drivel I hate.
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From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Vai            
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:11:42
Message Number  7992

No thanks required, dude.
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From: ZOT GNOP            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:15:14
Message Number  7993

Of course! I was just using the others as SOME examples.
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From: ZOT GNOP            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:21:35
Message Number  7994

I was praising guitarists at the time. Bass players are another matter 
entirely. I don't care what you may say about it, but Bassists and 
Guitarists are two totally different types of musicians. People who 
play the bass as if they were playing lead guitar (I'm referring to
playing style, not the actual sound) and vice versa are abusing the 
instrument. An entirely different way of thinking is required, 
because the base is a much subtler instrument. That is why I didn't 
mention Geddy Lee. If I had been praising Bassists, he would have gotten
SPECIAL attention.
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From: ZOT GNOP            
To: THRUD               
Subject: Your daughter  
Date & Time: 08/22/90 14:31:37
Message Number  7995

But I can do such nifty things with my hands. 
  <Leaping out of reach, giggling maniacally>
                                   -Zot Gnop the Morally Corrupt
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From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:16:27
Message Number  7996

You know, upon reflection, it occurs to me that Bush may, indeed, be the
best president we've had since Nixon (whether or not you count Nixon in
that list depends on whether or not you think being an amazing crook
counts against him sufficiently enough to make him a bad president, I
suppose).  I'm not sure this is necessarily a good thing, mind you.
I suppose it's better to have someone who thinks things I don't agree
with than someone who doesn't think at all, though.
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:20:46
Message Number  7997

You don't really get the liberal thing, sir.  You've been listening to
Reaganites too long.  Believe it or not, "liberal" and "defenseless" are
not synonyms.  I said that as much in the last message and for whatever
reasons you have, you let it go WHOOSH! and ignored most of what I said.
You really do cherish your assumptions, don't you?  No fact is going to
get in past your blinders, no siree.
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:23:35
Message Number  7998

Hopefully my last message made the relationship of Reli to a cat a bit
clearer... the analogy of humans to chimps would probably go through at
all levels, although since the matter of chromosomes didn't come up in
the story it's not something I have an answer to.  Reli couldn't produce
offspring with a cat in her world (or ours) any more than you could
with Cheetah the chimp (who was female, not that knowing this is too
important).  Furthermore, she'd probably regard the idea of TRYING to
have offspring with a cat the same way you'd regard the idea of having
sex with Cheetah.
   "Beast" itself is a kind of curious word.  I did write a story a
while ago that took the sort of thing going on in "Travelling Music" and
treat it more seriously, exploring the question of whether or not it
qualifies as 'bestiality' (in the story, the prospect was between a
human and a feline alien).  At any rate, by your definition of beast,
Reli wouldn't be considered one either.  Spencer is a bit unsure of
that, probably for the same reasons you had for asking (intellectually
it can be worked out that she isn't, but she still looks like a cross
between a cat and a human).
    As for offspring, I would assume that humans and Reli's species
would be unable to produce children together.  It might be possible
that they are close enough to produce sterile 'halfbreeds,' but I'm not
sure what you'd get.
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:31:21
Message Number  7999

Yes, I'm sure AJ was serious, but I still think he was yanking your
chain.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  Bragging about sexual
exploits is not, to the best of my experience, "typically gay," as most
gay people would rather AVOID reactions like yours.  Unless they're
yanking your chain, of course.
 
As to whether or not it backfired, I don't know.  Maybe he wanted to
see if you'd take the bait and respond with an outraged, ranting,
foaming at the mouth spew.  If that WAS the case, it succeeded, although
I fail to see the point (even the humor value would be somewhat
limited).
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: How? You see,  
Date & Time: 08/22/90 15:34:06
Message Number  8000

All right, fine.  I only 'continued' the thread because, well, let me
lay it out in your type of blunt terms: you're wrong.  I have direct
evidence (i.e., contact with THEM <gasp>) which proves to me that your
attitude is 100% wrong when it comes to "they can't be good people."
You, on the other hand, not only have no evidence for your position,
you REFUSE to ever come close to a position for ever getting said
evidence becuase the "evidence" you find might not support your blind
hatred.  Basically, your point is shit, and I think you know it is.
You have effectively confirmed a suspicion I have had about you and
(I suspect) most people who share your attitude: the "fear" in
"homophobia" is fear of having your assumptions shaken.  You will
always be right in your own mind because you absolutely refuse to
accept any evidence that might REMOTELY prove you wrong.  I HAVE seen
it from your viewpoint; the difference is I wasn't afraid to have my
"aversion" challenged.  The assertion that a person who is gay or
bisexual can produce nothing worthwhile and have nothing to say is
flat-out factually WRONG.  I know it.  And you know it, too.  Logically
there is NO way to defend that position.
 
Incidentally, back when you said, "Don't introduce me to any of them,"
... never mind.  Have a pleasant afternoon.
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