From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 00:52:34
Message Number  9902

 Speaking of 2 Live Crew, I think we should all celebrate the fact that 
they've been found not guilty in their obscenity trial. I would rather 
retch in a gas chamber than listen to their album, but I follow the idea
that "I might not like what you say, but I will defend your right to say
it."
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 00:55:34
Message Number  9903

 
> I'm willing to fight in the service of this country and some asshole 
> is out there trashing the symbol of it!  That wouldn't bother you?
 
  Yeah, well, I go to school and get excellent grades and all the idiots
with shitferbrains get everything. 
  Actually, I can see your point, but it takes all sorts to make up a 
world (now isn't that a cliche if ya ever heard one?). We happen to have
those who don't like something about the government. Ifthe whole reason
for having the government like it is, why should we keep those from not 
liking it. Those who are degrading it only want to change it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:00:16
Message Number  9904

> Oh, I see.  You are an Iraqi sympathiser, is that it?  And I bet you 
> cheered when Kohmomeni took over the embassy...
 
  Ummmm, did you read the same message? I looked back at Spellwind's 
message and got the impression that the Iraqi people aren't "less than 
human" because of the corrupt ones... 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:03:32
Message Number  9905

> Don't trash my flag...
 
  Okay, we'll get someone else's. Like you said, I wouldn't do anything 
that hurts someone. Burning a flag doesn't hurt anyone, and if anything,
it's only going to affect someone else's opinions. Maybe the burner will
have second thoughts about it later. But it doesn't hurt anyone.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BURNEY              
Subject: STAR TREK      
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:06:27
Message Number  9906

> I cannot see McCoy (in The Next Generation)... 
 
  Welp, he WAS on the show, andDoctor Pulaski was about as close to a 
female McCoy as you can get without the Real McCoy.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BURNEY              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:08:14
Message Number  9907

> It was a matter of choice. 
  
  Which sounds fine to me. Now, it's forced. Every day we do it. The 
kids aren't going to learn respect by being forced to say a pledge every
morning. The same people who think flag burning is wrong (not all, but 
some) probably came along and said "They HAVE to say this every day or 
it's disrespectful to our country!!!"
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CORWYN              
Subject: CAFFINE        
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:23:45
Message Number  9910

> Still drunk at 7:25am, and proud of it!
 
 I generally don't compliment those who get drunk, but if you're drunk 
and can still be literate and appreciate John Lennon, then that's gotta 
be something to admire.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:25:58
Message Number  9911

>...ridding the country of their parasitic influence could only benefit
> this country.
 
  HOW? I'd like to know.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ANYONE WHO CARES    
Subject: weirdness      
Date & Time: 10/21/90 01:34:52
Message Number  9912

  Anyone seen the ad campaign on TV for the video release of "The Rocky 
Horror Picture Show"? I've heard alot about the film, and I've read 
(most of) the script, but I guess it is much weirder than I've led 
myself to believe. Welp, if anyone gets a copy of it, maybe someone 
would be interested in getting some people together and putting the 
script online to some use and using the "additions"... I've built up 
some strange interest in that, and I have no idea why. Guess it's just 
because it's different.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN              
Subject: The Shadow     
Date & Time: 10/21/90 10:40:54
Message Number  9915

Hey, Corwyn! Welcome back! Where the heck are you nowadays? And
what ya been doing? Its awfully quiet at N.C. without a resident
Amberite...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 10:43:07
Message Number  9916

Aha! I think I finally understand the Specialist's position! You
CAN'T burn the United States if you disagree with it -- you can't 
destroy it. But, you can destroy the thing which has become closest
(in the minds of people) to it -- the symbol representing the U.S.
In his mind, those that destroy the symbol are those that want to
destroy the nation as a whole.
    
   Personally, I kind of doubt that logic. The last time I checked,
most of those flag burners only wanted to make major changes in the
government. Not destroy it entirely.
     
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 10:47:56
Message Number  9917

Actually, Specialist -- I DO know many people who have left the U.S.
(and changed citizenship) because they so strongly disagreed with
the policies of the U.S. And not one of them has been less than a
literate, interesting person who is quite knowledgable of the world
situation -- exactly the kind of person I'd WANT as a citizen of my
country.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 10:53:18
Message Number  9918

DF>But, personally, I felt sorry when he re-started the government.
     
   AMEN! Kill the Federal government!
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Altr/Rlty      
Date & Time: 10/21/90 16:53:54
Message Number  9920

Hmmm.  Could it be that I *do* have a chip on my shoulder?  Could it
be that I'm always insulting, even if someone offers some friendly,
helpfull advice?  Could it be that I actually *do* percieve everything
as an attack when people don't agree with me?
  
Could it?  
 
 
 
 
....nahhhhh.....
 
.s
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Armag.         
Date & Time: 10/21/90 16:57:31
Message Number  9921

B> I'm one of those geeks that everyone comes to when they don't
B> know what they are doing in school.
 
Ah, but in that case, you aren't a geek (per se)...just a brain.  Brains
have redeeming values.   
  People actually like brains...they come in handy.
 
(I probably shouldn't have said that...someone'll use it as a cheap 
shot, now.  That's predictable.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:01:19
Message Number  9922

No, I never saw it [Fourth...July] but if you believe I should see it 
so you can make a point, I'll make an effort....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:03:10
Message Number  9923

B>So, in other words, if you like the country, tell everyone, andif
B>you don't, shut up??
  
No, no...just it goes with that saying, if you don't have something 
nice to say about someone [thing] then don't say anything.  Just a 
common courtesy. 
 
For instance, I'm not particularly fond of bowling, but I don't go 
around saying things like, "Bowling is a game for morons, and it's
a really stupid sport."   No, I keep my mouth shut, unless someone 
asks me and *then* I *might* say something like that (if I was in 
a particularly nasty mood).  More likely, I would simply respond in a
mild negative manner. 
  But, I don't go around burning down bowling places! 
  
  And the thing we are talking about here has a lot more importance
(symbolically) than a bowling alley!
 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Bashing Homos  
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:09:13
Message Number  9924

Bash the Homos is a registered tradmark of Manasota Specialty.  All
rights reserved, Copyright 1989, Manasota Specialty. 
  
And yes, you're darn right I'm proud of that line.
  
Excuse me.  It's just that I'm too arrogant for my own good.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:17:13
Message Number  9926

B>Those who are degrading it only want to change it.
 
You say you want a revolution, well, you know...
we all want to change the world.
 
There's better ways to change things than by burning flags.
 
But when you talk about destruction, 
don't you know that you can count me out.
 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:26:57
Message Number  9927

B>The same people who think flag burning is wrong (not all but some)
B>probably came along and said, "They HAVE to say this every day or
B>it's disrespectful to our country!!" 
 
BWEEP! BWEEP!  BWEEP!  NS ALERT!  NS ALERT!  
"*Attention, there has been a non sequitur occurence.  Attention...*"
 
 As a matter of fact, I'm sure that rule was enacted when people actuall
still had *respect* for this country.  These days, people don't even 
take thier HAT off for the flag any more...much less salute or cover
thier hearts when it goes past.  Alll guestures of respect...just as
burning it is a BLATANT guesture of disrespect.
  
Grrr...I still think they should be shot on sight....grrrr.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:39:30
Message Number  9930

Right!...Oh, wait.  No, no, nononono.  
  
Hmmm.  Hey, I just had a radical thought!  Suppose I went out and 
burned the flag so I could get a law passed against flag buners? 
  
No, I'd probably be the first one arrested....shit. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 17:41:16
Message Number  9931

Great.  Go buy a large island and call it Latevaria.  Then invite all 
those dicontents.  Offer free immigration!  I'll help 'em pack.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 18:41:26
Message Number  9933

>BWEEP! BWEEP!  BWEEP!  NS ALERT!  NS ALERT!
 
Prepare for emergency saucer seperation and engage self-destruct 
sequence.
 
Sorry, I just had this amazing urge to type that.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 18:44:07
Message Number  9934

>Hmmm.  Where is this [echo]?  I'll meet the "Pathetic One" there.
 
You two should really save up your anger for the next Paintball game 
(which is scheduled for the 11th).  I've been saving up all my anger for
the past 3-4 months, and when I vent it, I'm guessing there'll be a
small explosion, wiping out a few city blocks.
 
|Don't pay any attention to the nice Rufus, he hasn't had his medication
|today.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 19:31:13
Message Number  9936

 
  Well, I don't know what you'd think of the movie, but the character at
the beginning reminds me a lot of you. He says "America: Love it or 
leave it" and he despises people who burn the flag. It's a very good 
movie.
 
  Also, if you wait a while, you can see something similar to it on CBS.
They've got the network rights (instead of first-run cable) to show it,
and of course it will be edited. Unfortunately, it's not going to come
close to the film I saw when edited for TV>
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 19:34:47
Message Number  9937

> And the thing we are talking about here has a lot more importance than
> a bowling alley!
 
  Absolutely true, but I don't get /your/ metaphor this time. We don't
have people speaking out against bowling because bowling alleys are not 
like the government. I was thinking baseball would be more like the 
government. Now don't tell me that people keep their mouths shut there 
when they don't like something.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 19:37:33
Message Number  9938

> But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count
> me out.
 
  Bad idea to quote that. There's only one version of Revolution that 
says that. When they performed it on TV, they said "in." and they also 
said "in" on the second (first actually) on the White Album.
 
  By the way, you've been really calm here. I was expecting a big flame 
when I called back. Congrats.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 19:40:10
Message Number  9939

> much less salute or cover their hearts....
 
  Well, it might make you feel better to know that if I was wearing a 
hat, I would take it off when saluting the flag. I must be one of the 
few at school who don't want to rush through the pledge of allegiance. 
Even my teacher, who's in the National Guard, runs though it quickly 
(and sometimes incompletely).
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 19:43:12
Message Number  9940

 
>...the ones who are right and the ones who are...pathetic.
 > Also, it would settle their problem...they'd no longer have to 
 > complain about the country they lived it...
 
  No, they wouldn't, but /I/ would!! If they're complaining about the 
country, silencing them would be stupid. You're going to stir up more 
trouble that way. And to just say "those who are right and those who are
pathetic" is REALLY out of line, since there is no "right" or "wrong", 
it all depends on what you think. You're not totally wrong. Sure, doing
something about flag burners would be right to some extent, but it would
go against what the country stands for.
 
  Someone let me know if I'm wrong, but does it seem the dark and light 
extremes have been mentioned in these arguments and not the shades of 
grey??
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 20:09:49
Message Number  9941

Have you considered starting a 1-900 number for Beatles Trivia?  "Call
now and find out which Beatle actually liked steamed squash."
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:14:51
Message Number  9943

 
  Why is it when I say something, I'm considered shit, but when someone
else says it in different wording, it's three cheers?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:16:41
Message Number  9944

  Marina Sirtis (AKA: Troi) would be good though.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: ST:TNG         
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:19:21
Message Number  9946

   Say what? Ares? HAHAHA! Greek religion allowed for multiple 
 (Hmm how do I phrase this?) God's to exist, basically being the same.
  But aren't they all. I am in contempt for /Almost/ every male god,
 Save Janicot and his multiples...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:23:30
Message Number  9947

D) Billion people feel or have felt it makes sense.....
 
    Actually, either they never thought to question it (Lightning bolt
theory) or they were /brainwashed/ since early childhood as most of 
/them/ are and stood ignorantly by their hammered in beliefs...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Flag burning   
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:26:28
Message Number  9948

 
   WOAH! Could it be that Turtle has found a worthy adversary?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/21/90 21:36:47
Message Number  9950

   I think he was tought to think that way in subliminal messages in
thaining films.....in the military...
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Altr/Rlty      
Date & Time: 10/22/90 02:16:15
Message Number  9952

>Could it be that I actually *do* perceive everything as an attack
>when people don't agree with me?
     
   Don't worry. You're not the only one on this board that has that
problem.
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/22/90 02:18:28
Message Number  9953

Aha! I think we have something here! Acording to your own words, we
wouldn't waste our breaths about trivial faults, such as bowling. Also,
you've admitted that countries are more important than bowling alleys.
Isn't it logical to spend more time trying to change important things
than it is to change unimportant things?
              /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: ST:TNG         
Date & Time: 10/22/90 02:29:21
Message Number  9954

   My point was, my dear Spellwind, that it seemed you were a bit
warlike in your attacks yourself. Especially against Christians.
I'd also brush up on my Greek mythology. Calling Pan and Ares
"basically the same" gods is unthinkable.
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 02:33:03
Message Number  9955

Neither your lightning bolt theory nor your brainwashing theory
explains how Christianity first grew into the movement it became.
Also, are you really saying that human nature was so different in
those times that they didn't question the Church?
                  /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Flag burning   
Date & Time: 10/22/90 02:40:56
Message Number  9956

As far as I know, I'm not anyone's adversary on this board. I represent
no one's views but my own. 
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/22/90 18:26:54
Message Number  9958

> Have you considered starting a 1-900 number for Beatles Trivia?
 
  No, but that may actually be a good idea to help me with my money 
crunch. 
 
  Actually, I don't think any of them liked steamed squash, but contrary
to popular belief, they don't like jelly babies.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/22/90 18:30:16
Message Number  9960

> Why is it when I say something, I'm considered shit, but when someone
> else says it in different wording, it's three cheers?
 
  I dunno. Can you expand on that? (Like telling me what you said that's
been reworded?)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: stuff          
Date & Time: 10/22/90 18:31:38
Message Number  9961

Forget it dude.
 
  Okay.. darn. I KNEW I should have taken better care of it. Are you 
still interested in some used (ie opened) Star Wars items? If you can 
think of some items (ie name them) I'll let ya know i I'll sell them.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 18:34:54
Message Number  9962

>..are you really saying that human nature was so different in those 
> times that they didn't question the Church?
 
  I hope he isn't. We just read today about the orgins of Christianity 
in the World History book, and it certainly wasn't like that.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:11:08
Message Number  9963

>...but contrary to popular belief, they don't like jelly babies.
 
What?  WHAT!?  After all these years, I thought they loved jelly babies.
Thanks for setting me straight on that one. (said with /slight/ sarcasm)
 
"No, I'm their biggest fan.  I have all four Beatles, their personal 
interview cassettes, the new Beatles street wear dolls, the stage, and
the keen Beatle's phone."
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: ST:TNG         
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:18:57
Message Number  9964

  I compare Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades to Ares....
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:20:28
Message Number  9965

  
   They changed from fear.  And as a matter of fact, I should say before
I answer that is that human nature shouldn't be an issue. Human nature 
is the same for everyone, we all hold consistent good and evil...
  Not equal, mind you, consistent.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:24:20
Message Number  9966

  Get this, fearing one religion, therefore changing to the same relig-
ion under a different form...
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christianity   
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:38:06
Message Number  9967

The original convertees changed from fear? Of what or of whom? As far as
I recall, the Roman Empire was not very tolerant of the early
Christians. If they would have been fearful, who would they have feared
more: the powerful Roman Empire, or the fledgling Church?
     
I don't want to debate your second point ("Human nature is the same
for everyone") until I know what you mean by human nature.
              /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 19:41:08
Message Number  9968

>Fearing one religion, therefore changing to the same religion under
>a different form...
    
   What do you mean by that comment? Changing from which religion to
which religion, precisely? Are we even still dealing with Christianity?
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/22/90 21:32:35
Message Number  9969

  Changing from the male-influenced rule (Jupiter) to God.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: STINKIN MARINES     
Subject: You HOSERS     
Date & Time: 10/22/90 21:33:45
Message Number  9970

 
   Here's someone who belongs at the top of the list of:
               THOSE WHO NEED TO BE SHOT
 
               Out of Savage Sword of Conan, Ish 179
 
   Whining wenches,
     This is in response to the harpy Eileen
   Tronolone who obviously is spending too
   much time in that beer tent in the Rhein.
     Wenches should be "obedient" and I'm
   glad we have a /real/ man like Conan to put
   wenches in their proper /submissive/ place.
     It's sad this world has too many jelly-
   spined men allowing these she-dogs to run
   them over.
     Good thing Crom's blessings are shower-
   ing over the U.S. Marine Corps (the last breed
   of real men).
     You're right, Eileen. Red Sonja is worthy
   of Conan but /no wanch/ in this era /ever/ will be.
     Till Conan joins the Air Force (civilians in
   uniforn), make mine Marvel!
     Semper fi'!
                          Lcpl E.M. Chasco J.R.
                                    U.S. Marine
                                   P.O. Box 238
                        F.P.O. Seattle, WA98764
 
         This shithead should be executed, and I'd pull the switch.
  Tell me, do ALL Marines think like this scumbag?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:32:52
Message Number  9973

>I bunch flag-burners in one category...
 
Typical.  ( (c) 1990 The Specialist)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MMA                 
Subject: Survival in BBS
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:38:33
Message Number  9976

>I've heard about your VW Bug. I'd like a description of it.
 
Okay. It's a '72 Baja bug (engine sticks out the back, with a roll
cage around it), grey with black fenders and swords on the sides,
with two fog lights on the roof (like Mickey Mouse ears) and two on
the bumper and a floodlight on the back. The hood is silver, and it
comes complete with digital tach, digital clock, and James Bond
control system that operates the various weird accessories and whatnot.
Thje engine itself has a stinger exhaust that comes out /sideways/;
it's kinda odd-looking. What it doesn't have, sadly, is a battery
that works and an operational fourth gear--problems that a hundred
bucks or so could fix, bit it's a hundred bucks I don't have.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:46:02
Message Number  9977

Speaking of burning crosses on lawns, did you see where David Duke
actually got defeated in Louisiana's Senatorial race--but only just,
and only after all the other Republican candidates dropped out and
endorsed the Democratic candidates? Scary stuff. Had the other
Republican stayed in, he could have split the non-Duke vote enough
that that asshole might've gotten in...yuck! And I've actually
talked to people who claim racism isn't a real problem in this
country any more...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Toxic Shock    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:48:38
Message Number  9978

>Did I get it right Master Turtle?
 
Yep, you got it. You are learning, grasshopper.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:49:40
Message Number  9979

We certainly don't need the flag burners, and yes, we could do well
without them, but I think Corwyn's point in the analogy was that if
you try to get rid of (jail, shoot) them you'll end up doing yourself
harm. Freedom doesn't work if you love, cherish, and protect it right
out of existance.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Armag.         
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:53:03
Message Number  9980

>I'm one of those geeks that everyone comes to when they don't know
>what they are doing in school.
 
I used to be one of those! I charged people money. Got fifty bucks for
writing some guy's program once...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Flags & You    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:54:15
Message Number  9981

>I don't think flag burners are showing disrespect...
 
Yes, they are. There /are/ respectful ways to criticise one's country
or one's social or political system. Burning the flag is the equivalent
of telling someone "You really suck sheep, you slimy disgusting excuse
for a wart on a gopher's ass" rather than "You know, I don't believe
you are correct by doing X, Y, and Z."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: George & Congre
Date & Time: 10/23/90 15:58:10
Message Number  9982

>But, personally, I felt sorry when he re-started the government.
 
Oh, I dunno. Therere are parts of the government that could stand
to be shut down permamently, but I'd like it if we kept the postal
service, the Department of Transportation, and the FDA, since
I kinda like to mail things, drive, and eat. How 'bout a *selective*
shutdown?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:01:42
Message Number  9983

Christianity is not alone in believing that the diety "saves" his
worshippers by either leaving or dying--but Christianity is the only
one I can think of where the diety dies by being murdered by the people
who are sinning against him in the first place. Notice that I only
referred to Christianity as "slightly silly;" the entire New Age
movement qualifies as "extremely silly"... I would still maintain that
historically Christianity has done more harm than not. Christianity
brought us the burning of the library at Alexandria, the Spanish
Inquisitions, the Crusades (a total unmitigated disaster for most
of Europe), and an entire period in history we now know as the Dark
Ages. Christianity stands squarely opposed to reason and science--they
excommunicated Galileo seven hundred years ago, and warned Dr. Stephen
Hawking to stop research into the Big Bang theory two years ago (on
the grounds, get this, that the beginning of the Universe is "not for
man to know"). Even Islam, ofr all its bad press in the Western world,
is not that reactionary; Muslim societies invented astronomy, higher
mathematics, and history, and during the period Christianity was
"maintaining order" in Europe most of the Middle East was united under
the Persain Empire in a period noted both for its stability AND for
its tolerance of other cultures and other faiths (something you'd
be hard-pressed to say about Europe during the same period, no matter
how much you value "stability"). On the whole, Christianity doesn't
strike me in any way as having /anything/ that sets it apart from any
of a hundred other religions, other than its size 8which is hardly
a compelling argument in favor of it), and actually actively UNimpresses
me with its history--you'd think that the living religion of the God of
Love wouldn't be noteworthy primarily for the number of people that
it's killed and the amount of suffering that it has caused.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Altr/Rlty      
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:14:09
Message Number  9984

I don't think that anyone was genuinely proposing that all people
have the right to do anything at any time...although too often that
argument gets used to defend a proposition that undesirable activity
X should be banned "because you can't let people do /whatever/ they
want; after all, do you think people should be allowed to run
around killing each other?" and that's a line of argument (to use
the term loosely) I find very distressing.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: 2 Live Crew    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:16:35
Message Number  9985

Yes! I was absolutely overjoyed when I heard about their acquittal!
I'm not especially fond of living in a society that features the
2 Live Crew's "music" (to use another term somewhat loosely), but
I loathe the idea of living in a society that champions censorship
for /any/ reason.
 
You know, it really kind of pisses me off that I have to defend the
2 Live Crew. These jokers make me sick; their efforts at music are
rather pathetic, they are patently incapable of being anything other
than insufferably self-serving, and in general I'd rather be gored
to death by wild oxen than be forced to listen to "Me So Horny" one
more time. On the other hand, I'm not going to make everyone else
assume my taste in music, and it pisses me off *immensely* that some
arrogant, self-righteous hypocrite somewhere has the gall to tell me
that I can't listen to whatever I damn well want to. So I end up
defending the indefensible against the intolerable...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: CAFFINE        
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:23:14
Message Number  9986

Hey, *I'm* literate and I like to get blasted off my ass every now and
then! (And end up with furry art on my back...it's a long story...)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: weirdness      
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:24:31
Message Number  9987

BEATLE!!! DUDE!!! The script for the Rocky Horror Picture Show has
been online and available for downloading here on A/R for about the
last eight months or so!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:33:06
Message Number  9988

>Why is it when I say something, I'm considered shit, but when someone
>else says it in different wording, it's three cheers?
 
Because you end up saying it with phrases like "you paramilitary
freak," which gets the idea across but also pisses off your opponent.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:34:59
Message Number  9989

>...they were /brainwashed/ since early childhood as most of /them/
>are and stood ignorantly by their hammered in beliefs...
 
That7s the sort of thing I'm talking about. You do have a valid point:
most people who profess a religion are professing the one they were
raised with, and relatively few people of *ANY* religion have either
thought objectively about their beliefs or even bothered to become
acquainted with other belief systems before deciding that they have
The Truth. However, phrasing it the way you did kind of clouds your
point with emotionally-charged language, and it's not likely to
make your opponent consider your point objectively...
 
(Yeah, I know, I'm a fine one to be lecturing about that since I have
the same habit myself...but at least I can recognize it when I'm
doing it... :) )
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:39:35
Message Number  9990

Human nature being what it is, 90% of the human beings on the planet
aren't going to question /any/ church. As for the manner in which
Christianity started--hey, it wouldn't be the first time a single
intelligent, highly charismatic individual built an enormous movement
around himself. Only difference between Jesus and any of a number of
others was (a) Jesus was also a very wise man and (b) he had good
intentions.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: You HOSERS     
Date & Time: 10/23/90 16:44:16
Message Number  9991

>Tell me, do ALL Marines think like this scumbag?
 
No. Not all Marines are chauvanists, and not all chauvanists are
Marines. What's your point? Also, are you really advocating executing
people for holding opinions that differ from yours??
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Toxic Shock    
Date & Time: 10/23/90 18:17:57
Message Number  9992

>Yep, you got it. You are learning, grasshopper.
 
But only when I walk on rice paper without leaving a mark...oops...wrong
show.  Damn.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/24/90 00:08:33
Message Number  9993

>Changing from the male-influenced rule (Jupiter) to God.
     
   You've left me even more confused. Are you seriously saying that
all male-influenced rules (let alone simply all male rules!) are
virtually identical? Have all male rulers throughout history been
almost identical? Or, better yet, have all rulers that have been
influenced by males (whether they be male or not) been virtually
identical? The answer seems obvious.
    
    Even in religions, male-influenced religions are not the same.
Buddhism is not Islam; Taoism is not Stoicism. Calling the worship 
of Jupiter nearly the same as the worship of Christ is, well, 
unusual and anachronistic.
                  /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: David Duke     
Date & Time: 10/24/90 00:19:44
Message Number  9994

   Sadly, there still exists a lot of racism in the world. People
are still afraid of anyone who is different than they. People prefer
their cozy, warm burrows to the challenges of reality; people look
at the differences on the outside without caring about the similarities
on the inside. But a world with everything the same would bore, and
a world with no challenges would stagnate. Our greatest enemy is
ourselves, and our fears at the base of our hearts. 
             /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Georgie        
Date & Time: 10/24/90 00:26:10
Message Number  9995

>...I'd like it if we kept the postal service, the Department of 
>Transportation, and the FDA, since I kinda like to mail things,
>drive, and eat.
     
   Would all cars stop running if the Department of Transportation
shut down? Would we lose our stomachs if the FDA closed? Neither of
those government agencies produce the cars we drive or the food we
eat; they only regulate it. 
   If the Federal government shut down completely and permanently, we'd
have some problems (Sinclair's The Jungle comes to mind), but not
insurmountable ones. Other non-government watchdog agencies would
come into existence to watch over our food and autos. Airlines would
begin to pay for the control tower if they had to.
    
   Granted. There would be a lot of shifting and changing if the 
Federal government closed down permanently. And I'm not saying it
would be a good thing. (I would miss the Post Office as well! Could
it survive without a Federal government constantly pumping money 
into it?) But -- mankind would survive without the Federal government.
   
   (The above arguments do not apply to state governments. We need
to keep our police forces.)
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/24/90 00:37:42
Message Number  9996

Another point-by-point discussion.
    
T> Christianity is not alone in believing that the deity "saves" the
T> worshippers by leaving or dying.
    
Granted.
    
T> ...but Christianity is the only one I can think of where the deity
T> dies by being murderer by the people who are sinning against him
T> in the first place.
   
   Christianity is also the only religion I can think of which adds
one more piece of guilt: it claims that any sin committed is also 
against God. Because of its broad definition of sin, everyone is a
sinner. By Christianity's own logic, if Christ were killed, He must
have been killed by someone who was sinning against him.
    
T> I would still maintain that Christianity has done more harm than
T> not. Christianity has brought us the burning of the library of
T> Alexandria...
     
   There haven't been revolutionary Muslims? Indeed, I recall that at
least one group of Muslims had the belief about books "If it contradicts
the Koran, it's heresy and should be burned. If it doesn't contradict
the Koran, it's unnecessary and should be burned." If you're interested,
I'll find where I got that from.
    
T> the Spanish Inquisitions...
    
   That, I agree, was a blotch against Europe for the first part of it.
It did a lot of evil in the Americas as well, but it did at least a
smidgeon of good. 
     
T> the Crusades (a total, unmitigated disaster for most of Europe)
    
   Wait! I wouldn't claim that. Certainly, some of the Crusades were
hideously cruel, especially the so-called "Children's Crusade." But
without the Crusades, Europe would have remained the closed world
it was during the Dark Ages, with little interaction with the Arab
world or the world of the Orient. It broke Europe of its provincial
mentality, and they began to create the mindset which flourished in
the Rennaisance. They introduced Europe to new and old ideas, and
began to break the overwhelming power of the Church.
(Continued next message.)
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/24/90 00:55:24
Message Number  9997

T> ...and an entire period we now know as the Dark Ages.
    
   Again, I disagree with your historical analysis. It seems to me
that Christianity was not the cause of the Dark Ages; it merely filled
the vacuum left by the destruction of the Roman Empire. No power
existed at the time that was strong enough to fill the shoes of the
Empire, so the Church tried to create a spiritual empire. Without
the Christian church, it is quite possible that the Dark Ages would
have been even darker.
    
T> Christianity stands squarely opposed to reason and science.
    
   I disagree strongly with the first statement, but I agree with the
second. Christianity has never opposed reason. One of the greater
things to emerge from the Dark Ages was the entire system of logic
we now use, the so-called "classical logic." However, their premises
are not and have not been based on science, so they disagree strongly
with science.
     
>Even Islam, for all its bad press in the Western world, is not that
>reactionary. Muslim societies invented astonomy, higher mathematics,
>and history...
    
   Astronomy was invented well before the Roman Empire, in Persia, I
believe. Well before the Prophet came out of Medina. History has 
existed nearly as long as writing has existed: indeed, much of the
Old Testament could be considered folk history. Higher mathematics
was also created along similar lines in China.
    
>On the whole, Christianity doesn't have anything which would strike me
>as particularly noteworthy, except for its size...
     
   I won't argue in matters of taste.
    
>...you'd think that the living religion of the God of Love wouldn't
>be noteworthy for the number of people it's killed and the amount
>of suffering it's caused.
     
   Again, I disagree that's what Christianity is noted for. But, in the
annals of human record, suffering and death is much more interesting
and much more likely to be recorded than life and love.
          /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Altr/Rlty      
Date & Time: 10/24/90 01:11:32
Message Number  9998

   Actually, you have my argument there, but backwards. Let me 
rephrase it better. One of your users (who has since recanted) said
something like, "I think people should be allowed to do what they
want to do." I then gave extreme examples of what that statement is
saying: if someone wants to murder another, should s/he be allowed
to do it? Most people -- including him -- said no, that should not
be allowed. Therefore, that idea wasn't a very good one.
       
    I never have argued for any activity X that if X were permissable,
then people would also feel they have the right to murder others.
           /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/24/90 01:20:06
Message Number  9999

>Human nature being what it is, 90% of the human beings on the planet
>aren't going to question /any/ church.
    
   Unfortunately, all too true. And those who join new religions don't
always do so from the best of intentions.
           /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Message #10,000
Date & Time: 10/24/90 01:26:14
Message Number 10000

   By the way, what's my prize for writing message 10,000?
           /Dragonfly/
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: stuff          
Date & Time: 10/24/90 02:38:12
Message Number 10001

Do you have the whole set?  My sister had all the figures, and ships, it
was neat.  We played with the figures all the time.  We even had the 
Darth Vader case.  But they are all gone now.  They were sold at a yard
sale before moving to Ft. Myers.  If I recall they were almost given 
away.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: FLAG BURNING   
Date & Time: 10/24/90 06:43:09
Message Number 10002

> "No, I'm their biggest fan...
 
  Alight. That's where I draw the line. When you start inseriting the
name Beatles in where New Kids went, then you're asking for it (what it
is, I don't know)... Besides, the Beatles dolls didn't come along until 
a few years back. In the sixties there were inflatable Beatles.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Armag.         
Date & Time: 10/24/90 06:48:43
Message Number 10003

> I charged people money.
 
   Geesssh. I'm too moral for that (and stupid, in one sense)... I
probably should charge money for that. Then I won't always be broke :)
 
  I did learn something yesterday, though. You can't hook an IBM VGA 
monitor to a Tandy 1000 SL...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: CAFFINE        
Date & Time: 10/24/90 06:55:06
Message Number 10004

 Hey, *I'm* literate and I like to get blasted off my ass every now and
> then!
 
  Well, I havene't had a chance to see you be literate after being 
blasted off your ass.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: weirdness      
Date & Time: 10/24/90 06:56:40
Message Number 10005

> BEATLE!!! DUDE!!!
 
  TURTLE!!! DUDE!!! I downloaded the script about that long ago! I wrote
that message so that possibly it could be put to /use/... you know, all 
those neat little things the people get to do. And it's not very likely 
I'm going to get to (or want to) show up at Sarasota Square Mall to see
it in the near future....
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: stuff          
Date & Time: 10/24/90 07:05:48
Message Number 10006

> Do you have the whole set?
 
  No, but I've got quite a bit. OUt of a total of about 95 figures 
created, I've got about 86/88 of them. I have the Darth Vader case and a
mess of odd playsets and ships.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Barb's         
Date & Time: 10/25/90 21:30:34
Message Number 10009

If you take a person's shoe size and divide it by the caliber of a 
bullet fired at him, you'll get the distance (in centimeters) that 
person can move before being hit.
 
hhh don't forget the inverse relationship between the shoesize/calibre
is related to the square of the pucker factor and directly related to 
the inertia stress of initial evasive manuevers.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ALL                 
Subject: From a galaxy..
Date & Time: 10/25/90 21:56:09
Message Number 10010

Durn!  Not enuf lines in the title block!  Hi folks - I decided to
crawl from beneath the rock of MSDOS hardware programming to get
a breath of fresh air.   Ahhhhhhh! Thanks!  I needed it folks!
BTW - where the hell is everyone?  Is Black Magic too busy anymore?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: You HOSERS     
Date & Time: 10/26/90 02:39:59
Message Number 10012

  It's just that either sex that claims it's superior really pisses me 
off... it's bigotry and I despise bigotry in any form. (Though it's the
males claiming superiority most often)
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/26/90 02:42:46
Message Number 10013

  Buddhism is different... Not ALL male gods, just the bad ones.
   There are two incarnations of male deities. For instance, Take
 the Anibus..and Osiris. these are the example of the different.
  Dionysus and 'God' are the same. Give patronage to Dionysus for joy
and happiness or find that your life takes a bad twist(This is a bad 
example)  there is an incarnation of a good male god, and an evil male
god. In other words, there are two male gods, and they represent the two
didderent types of gods. They ARE the same god, figuratively, in diffe-
rent incarnations...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Message #10,000
Date & Time: 10/26/90 02:56:50
Message Number 10014

  The newcomer Dragonfly GOT THE 10,000!!!!! Woah! 
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/26/90 03:02:36
Message Number 10015

  They/He are/is NOT the only god/s that exist, I was just clarifying 
the male side of the god/s....
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: David Duke     
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:39:02
Message Number 10017

>Our greatest enemy is ourselves, and our fears at the base of our
>hearts.
 
Gee, that's profound! Actually, my greatest enemy is IBM, and the fear
at the base of my heart that people will start buying so many PS/1's
that they'll pop up in K-Mart.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Georgie        
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:40:54
Message Number 10018

Um, the effectiveness of private watchdogs aside (do you really believe
that without the authority of law behind them, a private watchdog
could force changes on GM?), without the Department of Transportation
I-75 would soon be in even worse shape than it already is. We need a
Federal government to provide services that span states (like: fund
the interstate system), to provide services that the states are not
equipped to provide (international relations, defense, and the like),
and to arbitrate matters between states (ie, arbitrate laws (hence,
the Supreme Court) and the like).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:44:55
Message Number 10019

>But without the Crusades, Europe would have remained the closed world
>it was during the Dark Ages...
 
And why was it a closed world during the Dark Ages, hmm? In any event,
I'm not convinced that going out and killing your neighbors is a
legitimate alternative to remaining isolationist...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:47:36
Message Number 10020

>Astronomy was invented well before the Roman Empire, in Persia,
>I believe.
 
Yes. That's what I just said. Astronomy was a Persian innovation;
the Persian Empire was Muslim.
 
>History has been around...
 
The science of history, I believe I credited to the Muslims. That is,
an approach to history that is not based on folklore and championing
of the "right" side. Ibn' Khaldun is generally regarded in most circles
as being the world's first true historian. A guess as to his faith,
please?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Armag.         
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:50:40
Message Number 10021

>Geesssh. I'm too moral for that... 
 
Could be why you're always broke. :)
 
>You can't hook an IBM VGA monitor to a Tandy 1000 SL...
 
Well, you CAN, but it won't work. Yoiu need to connect a VGA
monitor to a machine with a VGA graphics card, as a general rule.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: From a galaxy..
Date & Time: 10/26/90 17:54:57
Message Number 10023

>BTW - where the hell is everyone?
 
I'm somewhere outside of Seattle, Washington, looking for my luggage.
Black Magic is preoccupied with a number of bizzare personal crises
involving a few things I ought not talk about over a tapped phone line,
and has pretty much given up BBSing.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: BTC tm         
Date & Time: 10/26/90 20:56:56
Message Number 10024

Sorry to take so long to get back to everybody.  I've been VERY busy the
last few days.  To answer your    question,  I dont't know whether that 
bothers me or not (even if it may or may not be true).  Even if it is 
documented in some book(s), that 
of course does not make in necessarily true.  You on the other hand can 
use that same argument regarding  the Bible.  But I respond to that with
'all religions are matter of faith'.  I would like to believe 
christianity  is the product of a group of people who know what they are
pushing.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:05:10
Message Number 10025

My apologies, I stand corrected.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: BTC tm         
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:06:30
Message Number 10026

>neither one of you seems to be willing to re-examine......
                                         touche'
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: term prgs.     
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:09:15
Message Number 10027

Is there some external device that can be installed to accomplish the 
same thing (at a reasonable cost)?
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: CAFFINE        
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:25:01
Message Number 10029

>I wanted to name our team the
'Diet Dr. Dew Crew'...
                                        Catchy name..
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Cmdr           
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:27:31
Message Number 10030

Despite my very early messages after becoming a user of this bbs,  I 
really kinda like my Commodore.  I can write my own programs on it, The
software is just as good as any   other computers (the screen displays 
leave a lot to be desired though). Do I detect a bit of self pity that 
you have a Commodore.  There are more CBM's out there than any other 
computer  any where.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: geeks          
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:33:10
Message Number 10031

You should be proud of who you are.  In the future you'll (maybe) snub 
your nose at them for not paying   attention in school.  YOU may have 
the reputation of a geek (maybe not) now but YOU have the destinct 
advantage later.  Especially when you're pulling down big bucks later 
and they're working for a mfg or  K-Mart.  I did /OK/ in school, but I 
wish I paid more attention.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: STAR TREK      
Date & Time: 10/26/90 21:39:55
Message Number 10032

I see your point, however I HAVE SEEN episodes when she does interfere (
cannot remember show name...never pay attention to names [see earlier 
message]). I remember thinking to myself...'she'd piss me off if she did
that to me'....
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Armag.         
Date & Time: 10/27/90 00:20:46
Message Number 10033

> ...to a machine with a VGA graphics card, as a general rule.
 
  Which I found out earlier today... :)  
 
  Boy, I've got to think more about this stuff...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BURNEY              
Subject: Cmdr           
Date & Time: 10/27/90 00:25:26
Message Number 10034

> Do I detect a bit of self pity...
 
  Well, I like my Commodore. I am quite impressed with it because of 
what it actually does with what it has compared to what others should be
able to do... I would rather have an Amiga, tho, since I go for graphics
and sound, and the Amiga is extremely good for that.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BURNEY              
Subject: geeks          
Date & Time: 10/27/90 00:27:24
Message Number 10035

> You should be proud of who you are..
 
  Well, I am, but I don't like the sort of social situations it provides
... Combining my physical appearance and my personality seems to total 
up to a social outcast (or as I like to sayone of the "strange medium 
guys with bad haircuts".)
 
  My problem is that I often appologize for everything, I'm kinda
passive, and I often miss things that have been said and/or put my foot 
in my mouth. 
  
  In other words, I am pretty happy with who I am when alone or with 
people I'm comfortable with, but extremely flustered and self-conscious 
when dealing with others...
 
  And, as you may see, I feel a need to share my problems and try to get
solutions from just about anyone. That's another of the problems.. (that
is unless I'm mistaken in assuming most people don't really want to hear
about my problems.)
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From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: An issue       
Date & Time: 10/27/90 00:41:13
Message Number 10036

  I saw a show todaytalking about drug legalization. I thought that it 
would be a great topic to discuss here, since we're all very opinionated
people. My position was never really determined until now. Sometime back
I might have strongly opposed drug legalization. Now, however, I believe
a different angle on the problem needs to be tried. I'd like to see what
everyone thinks of this. 
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From: CORWYN              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Add another    
Date & Time: 10/27/90 03:25:02
Message Number 10037

Are you really as brain dead as you seem? > We don't /need/ most of the 
intestinal bacteria.. we just end up with the runs eternally.. fun huh?
If we didn't have F/B's and other people who are unsatisfied with the 
current state of affairs, we'd sure have one hell of a corrupt and in-
efficient government.
 
                         - Corwyn
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From: THUMPER 1           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Drug legaliz...
Date & Time: 10/27/90 05:21:08
Message Number 10038

As far as legalizing drug use in the states, why not? (shrug.) We're 
smashed with all the "SAY NO TO DRUGS" propaganda any way. We're told
what drugs will do to us, and yet some people seem to "JUST SAY YES".
If a person wants to obtain any type of contraband (OOOOOOOO!! BIG WORD)
he/she can pretty much go to the corner and get some.  We have all the 
information, it's just a choice of "Do I Really Want To Do This To 
Myself???"  Just remember that you've been warned.
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From: BURNEY              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/27/90 22:19:43
Message Number 10039

>...neverthought to question...
>...../brainwashed/.....
>....hammered in beliefs....
It seems to me, you're the one who is brainwashed.  That is a completely
ignorant remark.  You obviously know nothing of the /real/ religion of 
christianity.
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From: BURNEY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ???            
Date & Time: 10/27/90 22:26:25
Message Number 10040

What are jelly babies??????
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From: BURNEY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: furry art      
Date & Time: 10/27/90 22:42:17
Message Number 10041

>furry art...long story...
                                        We're listen'n
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From: BURNEY              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: David Duke     
Date & Time: 10/27/90 22:46:59
Message Number 10042

>people are afraid of ....different than themselves (you get the point)
Yes I generally agree with that, However, people are also a product of
there enviroment.  If I saw on the news constantly the arrests of lets 
say CHRISTIANS for religious crimes, it would be natural for me to be 
fearful of christians fearing I might become a victim.  If I never saw 
the same about blacks, whites, hispanics, etc I would not be fearful of 
them. My point being, as I said
before, Preople are a product of there enviroment.  That goes for 
religion, personal prejudices,    political views, etc.
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From: SPELLWIND           
To: BURNEY              
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/28/90 16:16:22
Message Number 10045

  Au Contraire, I think I know it better that you....
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From: BEATLE              
To: BURNEY              
Subject: ???            
Date & Time: 10/28/90 19:13:17
Message Number 10046

> What are jelly babies??????
 
  Jelly beans.
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From: DIONYSUS            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: You HOSERS     
Date & Time: 10/28/90 21:12:01
Message Number 10047

Shut up.  We don't need your kind around here.
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From: DIONYSUS            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Christian affai
Date & Time: 10/28/90 21:13:21
Message Number 10048

Ya got the right idea.  Give me lots of money and sacrifice many virgins
to me.
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From: DIONYSUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PS/1           
Date & Time: 10/28/90 21:14:54
Message Number 10049

And what's wrong with that, may I ask?
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From: DIONYSUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ???            
Date & Time: 10/28/90 21:22:34
Message Number 10050

Remember all of those neat dead baby jokes?  Jelly babies let you test 
them experimentally.
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