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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      06/08/89 23:51  Msg:3951 Call:21677  Lines:3
 20 The most gifted members of the human species are at their creative
 21 best when they cannot have their way. -- Eric Hoffer
 22 ************************************************************************
003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/09/89 02:15  Msg:3952 Call:21679  Lines:15
 23 &*&*&*&*'s
 24  
 25 At the top! Yet again. Ok, looks like I opened a can of worms on the last disk.
 26  
 27 (This will be short as I need to get to bed.) It is indeed a very complex 
 28 issue, and one that will never really be settled I am sure. But I feel that
 29 the common ownership of guns tends to moderate the actions of a government. If
 30 you don't fear your populace, you are going to tend to be a good deal less 
 31 carefull about what they think.
 32  
 33 Thats it for now.
 34  
 35 An Astral Dreamer (Who really should have given credit/blame to ThingFish :-) )
 36 &*&*&*&*'s
 37  
004=Usr:465 Gregg Harris      06/09/89 02:32  Msg:3953 Call:21680  Lines:7
 38 )(*&(**&)*(&(*&((&(*&)(*&)(**&)(*&)((*&)((&()(*&)(**&&)(*
 39  
 40   oh, yeah. i am at the top. [emphasise deleted]
 41  
 42 the apathetic mole
 43 )*&)(*&)((*&)((*)((*)((**&)((*)(*(&)(*&)((*&)(*&)((*)((*
 44  
005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill     06/09/89 10:34  Msg:3954 Call:21688  Lines:28
 45 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
 46  
 47 Hey!  It's STV:TFF day!  So where/when's the party?
 48  
 49                                     _
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 54            __-+"" __\   .. . .  | ..  . |  . .  .   /__ ""+-__
 55           /\__+-""   `-----=====\_ <O> _/=====-----'   ""-+__/\
 56         _/_/                      ""=""                      \_\_
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 59      /")                          \ | /                          ("\
 60      \o\                           \*/                           /o/
 61       \_)                       --**O**--                       (_/
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 63                                   / | \
 64                                     |
 65  
 66                         bIjeghbe' chugh vaj biHegh!
 67                             (surrender or die!)
 68                                                                      _
 69                                                                     /#)
 70                                                          n   n   n (#/ 
 71                                                         / ~~~ ~~~ \/
 72 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
006=Usr:483 Lord Beaker       06/09/89 14:46  Msg:3955 Call:21691  Lines:9
 73 -=-======-=--------=-========-=------------=-==========-=------=-==-=-----=-
 74 Very impresive!  I'm refering of course to the above presentation of a
 75 Klingon warship.
 76  
 77 So...Oh nevermind.  Everyone'll proabably just ignore me again.  Erg.
 78  
 79 LB\__/
 80    oo
 81 -=--{=-=---------=-=======-=-------=-=======-=-------======-=------=-======-
007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    06/09/89 20:23  Msg:3956 Call:21696  Lines:53
 82 696969696969
 83                                                                             
 84 and now, we finally know:
 85             BUGS MIGHT ANSWER UFO QUESTION:-6/9/89
 86     Electromagnetic fields and the habits of common insects might explain many 
 87 sightings of unidentified flying objects. Dr. Phillip Callahan of the Optical 
 88 Society of America hit on the idea after he discovered insects give off a 
 89 visible glow when placed in a magnetic field. He reasoned that such fields - 
 90 common in the storm fronts - could cause such a glow and trigger UFO reports.
 91                                                                             
 92             IMELDA MARCOS SINGS:-6/9/89
 93     Imelda Marcos' first album is called "Imelda Papin Featuring Songs with 
 94 Mrs. Imelda Marcos." And you can get your hands on it starting Sunday. It 
 95 features Marcos as guest singer of some of her favorite U.S. and Filipino 
 96 songs - including "Feelings." The 12-song, 43-minute cassette is a collection 
 97 of songs selected by entertainer Imelda Papin, the record's producer.
 98 You'll want to get the C.D. so you get the highest audio quality, and it won't 
 99 ever wear out.
100                                                                              
101             BUSH `DISAPPOINTED' WITH CHINA:-6/9/89
102     President Bush expressed a "certain sense of personal disappointment" 
103 Thursday at the threat of civil war in China. Bush, the first U.S. envoy to 
104 China in modern times, repeatedly spoke of his concern for the human rights of 
105 the Chinese people and the importance of U.S.-China relations at his first 
106 prime-time news conference.
107     The exodus of foreigners from Beijing is slowing as the military and 
108 political turmoil eases. Restaurants, shops and post offices reopened Thursday 
109 as soldiers cleaned up debris in Tiananmen Square. Other soldiers continued to 
110 fire into the air. Meanwhile, Secretary of State James Baker said U.S.-China 
111 relations suffered "a tragic step backward," but said economic ties should 
112 continue.
113     China's Premier Li Peng appeared on a national TV news show - his first 
114 since the army killed at least 500. Li told a cheering audience of military 
115 men in the Great Hall of the People that the soldiers had "done a brilliant 
116 job of carrying out the orders of the state council." Meanwhile, The U.S. 
117 Voice of America said it was now sending TV signals via satellite to Beijing - 
118 a first.
119                                                                             
120               EXXON SAYS IT WILL SAVE EAGLES:-6/9/89
121     Exxon Corp., in a press release, says it and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
122 Service plan to capture and clean bald eagles and other birds of prey 
123 jeopardized by the March 24 oil spill from the Exxon Valdez tanker. Eagles 
124 will be taken to the Alaska Avian Research and Rehabilitation Center in 
125 Anchorage for treatment. Last month, Exxon said it provided $100,000 for 
126 construction of the center.
127                                                                            
128 as Bruce Cockburn wrote (and sang): IfIhadarocketlauchersomesonofabitchwoulddie
129                                                                                
130 696969696969696969
131                                                                              
132 or a gun....
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134                                                                            
008=Usr:13 voyeur            06/10/89 00:03  Msg:3957 Call:21703  Lines:4
135 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
136 Now that Trek 5 is behind me, my rankings are: 2 4 3 5 1.  It looks like the
137 even-numbered ones win.  I hope Shatner doesn't direct 6.
138 * * * * *N*O*T* * * * * * * * *T*E*D* * * * * * * * * *M*A*H*A*R* * * * * * * *
009=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       06/10/89 00:43  Msg:3958 Call:21705  Lines:80
139  
140  
141 {+}{+}{+}{+}
142  
143           THE BWMS GUN DEBATE..........
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160                                            
161          Hello Dear Friends;
162  
163          Dis is Bobby McFerrin wit some timely summertime advise now dat 
164          finals are over and de sun is warm and de livin' is sooooo easy.
165          Unscrew dat skull, mon, give dat brain a break, let dat grey 
166          matter go limp. You owe it to yourself, mon. An' to help you wit 
167          dat important phase in your intellectual development, here we 
168          have for you some Timely Summertime Tips..............
169  
170                          DRINK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
171          And keep an eye out for bargains. Hamms beer in cases of cans 
172          will go on sale regularly in the $6 - $7 dollar range this 
173          summer. Be frugal and tank up.
174  
175                        WATCH A LOT OF CABLE TELEVISION
176          * Start with TODAY on NBC. See Jane. See Jane wax prissy. See 
177          Bryant. See Bryant wax egotistical. See Willard. See Willard 
178          bumble bucolic. Very Good.
179          * Be sure to spend at least an hour a day with the HOME SHOPPING 
180          NETWORK. As life tends to be short, go on ahead and order that
181          lovely ceramic figurine of The Tinman from The Wizard of Oz
182          (be sure to use someone else's VISA card, though)
183          * Don't forget the real estate get-rich-quick talkshow/really-long
184          -commercial presentations. Take notes.
185          * Check in with Morton Downey Jr. and Geraldo regularly (avoid 
186          Donahue and Oprah, however....too stuffy)
187          * Don't forget THE WEATHER CHANNEL. Watch for off the cuff ad-
188          libs between the perky Weather Hosts.
189          * Alternate between game shows and soap operas on odd/even days.
190          * Pay special attention to commercials (especially the late 
191          night, 90 second Record Treasury variety)
192  
193                                    READ{ TRASH
194          Never mind the summer reading lists from your professors. 
195          Subscribe immediately to THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, THE STAR and THE 
196          GLOBE. Stick with supermarket paperbacks that have lush paintings of
197          busty women or the words  As Told To  on the cover.
198  
199                           PATRONIZE YOUR LOCAL CINEPLEX
200          See every summer release with a roman numeral in the title. 
201          Avoid Cinema 21 and The Movie House. Eschew anything with subtitles
202          or good reviews. And demand extra petroleum on your popcorn.
203  
204  
205          Follow dese simple tips, mon, an you'll be ready for another 
206          bashing when de school bell ring in de fall. No problem in de 
207          great northwest in de hot summertime mon. Everythin' irie.
208  
209          Love, 
210  
211          Bobby McFerrin
212  
213                               -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
214                              Don't Worry, Be Stupid
215  
216 {+}{+}{+}{+}
217  
218  
010=Usr:277 Schizo            06/10/89 01:57  Msg:3959 Call:21711  Lines:3
219 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
220 Things like this tend to confuse me greatly.
221 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/10/89 12:10  Msg:3960 Call:21718  Lines:18
222 &*&*&*&*'s
223 Sound advice. STV was a dissapointment. It had its funny moments, but was
224 just to fantasyish for me to enjoy. 'Lets bop around the entire galaxy in
225 less then a day, blowing away any sort of consistent theory on what warp
226 drives are supposed to be capable of!'
227  
228 Well, I'm looking for someplace to live. Anybody know of a good place? I can
229 afford around 300$ rent and utilities. Suggestions welcome.
230  
231 Got a 68010,a hard drive controler and a 10meg hard drive at the cpm swaw
232 meet today. So far I`ve checked out the 68010 and the controler, and both
233 work. Now, with any luck the hard drive will as well. All I have to do
234 is figure out were to put it. 1 full height floppy and full height 
235 hard drive (Which is what I have.) tend to fill up a pc's drive bays.
236  
237 An Astral Dreamer
238 &*&*&*&*'s
239  
012=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill     06/10/89 16:46  Msg:3961 Call:21727  Lines:12
240  
241 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
242 Seen on rec.arts.startrek today...
243  
244 	"I loved it!  Much better than "Cats".  I'm going to see it 
245 	 again and again."
246  
247  (for those who don't get this, don't worry)                        /#)
248                                                          n   n   n (#/ 
249                                                         / ~~~ ~~~ \/
250 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
251  
013=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     06/10/89 19:13  Msg:3962 Call:21732  Lines:16
252 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Saw the parade todayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
253  
254 H'lo people (and others),
255       Once again, it's that one special night of the week.  Tonight is 
256 the night of MONTIGUE ANACONDA'S LEVITATING BURLESQUE on channel 10.
257  
258 "No-one Expects The Spanish Inquisition!!!"
259  
260  
261 Oh, BTW, welcome back Beaker.  Also, whatever happened to General ZOD?  It
262 seems to me that we're approaching the time of year when he was most 
263 active.  Perhaps he is trying to lull us into complacency with his absence.
264  
265 Stay Alert! Trust No-one! Keep Your Laser Handy!
266  
267 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | The route was too crowdeddddddddddddd
014=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine ,  06/11/89 01:27  Msg:3963 Call:21738  Lines:11
268  
269 {}
270  
271    Automatic weapons?  Try Isreal.  MANDITORY by law, that every
272 household should carry Uzi's.  At least, that's what a friend passed
273 on to me.  Not quite sure if it is true - can anyone please deny this
274 anoying fact?
275  
276    H. Celine
277  
278 {]
015=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     06/11/89 09:31  Msg:3964 Call:21742  Lines:11
279 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Mandatory uzis?????????????????????????????
280  
281 I know that every able bodied Hebrew Isreali has to spend a certain amount
282 of time in the armed forces (this includes the women), but I don't think
283 that the home posession of Uzi's is mandatory.  After all, the Isreali
284 government may be militant, but it's not stupid.  If the rioting youth
285 in Isreal (palestinians) could get automatic weapons from any house
286 they robbed, do you think they'd be using just thrown bricks against the
287 occupying troops?
288  
289 KKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rumors can get wierd sometimesssssssssssssssss
016=Usr:483 Lord Beaker       06/11/89 14:12  Msg:3965 Call:21745  Lines:21
290 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
291 This is General ZOD!!!
292  
293  
294 Just kidding.  Heh heh!
295 --=-===========-=---------=-=========-=--------=-=========-=--------=-======
296 Its realy me. (LB)
297  
298 Hi Kurfur.  How 'r yu.
299  
300 Well.  I wounder whats going to happen in China?  I hope the people don't
301 give in just because of a few killings.  I hope they find democrasy worth a 
302 few killings.  We'll see...
303  
304 I would suggest to anyone thinking of putting there hand through a closed
305 window not to.  It got me five stiches (3 on my thumb an two specials on my
306 fore-arm).
307  
308 LB\__/
309    oo
310 -=-{=------=-========-=------=-====-=-------=-========-=-------=-========-=-
017=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/11/89 17:36  Msg:3966 Call:21750  Lines:21
311 *%)_$#@*%_)#@%*_)#%*()_#(^%#$_+^)_@^*(#)_@^(*)_#(_+@(%_+@!)%_+#@%*(_#)$*^)_#$^*
312  
313 Ah, the old Civil War defense. I suggest reading the beginning chapters of a
314 Civil War history book (or even the whole book). The causes of this conflict
315 are much more than one side wanting slaves and the other side not wanting
316 slaves. The causes are also a lot more complex than one group of states
317 saying "We don't like your rules so we quit!" I feel the Civil War
318 analogy fails becaue first of all, the origins of the split between the
319 states are not easily categorized. Secondly, I feel it is wrong to
320 compare mid 1800's and today in terms of gun ownership and use. In those
321 days, hunting was a primary source of food, unlike today, where Sir
322 Safeway does all the slaying. Thirdly, no one has answered my questions
323 about countries that have different governmental systems from the USA
324 and their accompanying gun laws.
325  
326 *)(%_@)_%(#)_@*!^)_$#*^_)#*^!_)#^* L'homme sans Parity *%@_)%*_)#*%$@_)%*_)%#()
327  
328 Oh, Astral Dreamer - avoid buying junk computer systems lest you fall into
329 the trap of the home-bound hacker and his or her support nightmare!
330  
331 %*_)#@)_*%_)#$*%)_@%(*)_@%)@_(%)_#@(%)_@%()_@(%_)@!(%)_#(%@)_%#$^*&)_#^(*)_#%()
018=Usr:3 Ramek             06/11/89 19:34  Msg:3967 Call:21754  Lines:60
332 Well, now, for starters, I must disagree with several of your statements
333 re: the Civil War issue. Firstly, I am indeed familar with it, and if you
334 will note secondly, I said nothing of slavery that was in reality a minor
335 issue in the thing. Many of those in the North had slaves too. As I said, 
336 there were conflicts between the concepts that the North and South had
337 about how things should be. I never brought the slave issue up, that was
338 just you reading into my message what you wanted to see.
339 You then shifted into stating that the Civil War was not an acceptable 
340 analogy because the issues are not easily catgorized and that issues of 1800
341 don't apply today. I suppose I could say "well now, then we had best throw
342 out the constitution then since it is much older then that." But there is 
343 more here then that. First, what analogy? Do you mean a direct comparion to
344 the problems in China? Hardly an analogy. There is no analogy to that issue.
345 The point I was making is that we too have suffered from the atrocities that
346 result when two factions are unable to settle their differences in a peacful
347 manner. That is the only analogy I was making. It was stated that it would
348 never happen in America. I was simply pointing out that it already has.
349 And as I also stated, the aspects of guns had little to do with it. 
350 This is hardly the only incident where one group of people have violently
351 impressed their belief structure on another group, it is simply on of the
352 more blatant and apparent ones. Throughout our history we had treated
353 various groups with somthing less than "hello, nice day isn't it?" 
354 We spent many years decimating the locals (what we call generically 'indians')
355 I'm sure that you'll say "but that's different. That was then this is now."
356 Nevertheless, the fact is that we as a nation decimated the indians and 
357 took their home lands with little or nothing in return, killing them when 
358 they objected to the treatment. Or how about the way the blacks have been 
359 treated. Even today the government often turns a blind eye to them. 
360 Then there was the Kent State thing that was brought up. That was pretty
361 close to what happened in China. Maybe not to the extent as in China,
362 but along the same lines. And howmany remember the Democratic national
363 convention in Chicago. While the demonstrators chanted "The whole world
364 is watching." Which it indeed was. The Chicago police went in swinging.
365 It was not a pretty sight, and Chicago has had a rather bad reputation
366 that lasts even today in that issue.
367 Then look at the streets of our own city, the drive-by shootings. Not much
368 different than back in the prohibition era that. But I gues it's not the
369 same because that was then and this is now. Ahh, such an easy cop out that
370 statement.
371 In regard to the issue of guns and other forms of government, I did respond
372 a bit there, but you might have missed that. The problem is that ANY issue
373 of the life styles of those in communist counties is diffuclt to deal with
374 because they generally keep to themselves and do not allow others to view
375 their country too closely. Good or Bad? I won't argue that, because I can
376 say that it is bad, but that is because my upbringing in the western culture
377 says that it is bad. Yet who am I to say that my culture is better? It is
378 hardly all that wonderful on many issues. Until I have lived a life fully
379 as integrated in the culture as my life in the American culture, I cannot
380 truthfully say that I can pass judgment on that culture.
381 I will make mention though that I did watch a very interesting documentary
382 on Ch 10 a couple of weeks ago  covering... gun control. They delt with it
383 on a world scale, not just the American culture. The interesting thing they 
384 made mention of is that contrary to popular belief, many Eastern block 
385 countries do allow ownership of guns. While on the opposite side, there are
386 some Western block countries which have stricter gun controls than the eastern
387 block countries. It is not universal that Communism means you can't own a 
388 gun. It is however a good generalization that eastern block countries tend
389 to have geater restrictions. It is just not valid to believe this to be 
390 always the case. Each country has its own social structure to which it holds.
391 ================================ Ramek ======================================
019=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    06/12/89 12:50  Msg:3968 Call:21772  Lines:88
392 TO:  Bobby McFerrin...Thanks for the suggestions, I am.
393 TO:  Thingfish...Great stuff.  Leaves me speechless, almost.
394                                                                               
395 696969696969
396 TOPIC - NECKTIE:
397     Chuck Bowden, author and free-lance writer, and Harry Schwartz,
398  former New York Times editorial writer, discuss their views.
399     
400     BOWDEN: The necktie fetish has been more deadly to our nation's moral 
401 sinews than all the rubber goods and leather-freak stuff ever dreamed up by 
402 Larry Flynt. At least the people into heavy kink keep their notions behind 
403 closed doors. Basically, neckties are a disease - like alcoholism, drug 
404 addiction and the desire to run for public office - and should be treated 
405 accordingly.
406     SCHWARTZ: Modern convention virtually requires males to wear sedate, dull 
407 clothes, with forgettable colors and patterns. Only in his tie is a man 
408 licensed to show his aesthetic sense, his love of colors and patterns, his 
409 biological kinship to the peacock. The man who refuses to wear a tie is 
410 voluntarily ceding to the female of our species a monopoly on bright colors 
411 and interesting patterns.
412                                                                           
413 MORAL MAJORITY DISAPPEARS:-6/12/89
414     The Moral Majority is being disbanded. The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who founded 
415 the group in 1979, said it succeeded in getting Christians politically 
416 involved. The group became a force in U.S. politics in the 1980s, helping 
417 elect three GOP administrations, Falwell said. But Moral Majority lost clout 
418 after the PTL and Jimmy Swaggart scandals undermined confidence in 
419 televangelism.
420                                                                              
421 ======we pause for a moment in respectful silence at the passing========
422                                                                           
423 OIL HALTS ALASKA FISHING:-6/12/89
424     Salmon fishing was suspended Friday near Cook Inlet, Alaska, after crude 
425 oil was spotted on beaches near the town of Chenik and the McNeil River. 
426 Seiners had expected to harvest 425,000 sockeye and 130,000 chum salmon this 
427 summer. Only 7,000 sockeye and 50 chum were taken before Friday's closure.
428                                                                             
429 BOOK SAYS BUY AMERICAN:-6/12/89
430     Buy U.S. goods. That's the message behind a new book "Made in the U.S.A." 
431 out this November from National Press. This summer, members of the Made in the 
432 U.S.A. Foundation comb the country to find out who makes everything from 
433 Rockport shoes to NBA basketballs. The goal is to encourage consumers to 
434 purchase U.S.-made goods. To order the $10 book, call (301) 657-1616.
435                                                                           
436 UNOCAL DENIES CHARGES:-6/12/89
437     Unocal Corp. has denied that the company's polymers plant in La Mirada, 
438 Calif., is one of the worst toxic polluters in the country, as has been 
439 characterized in some news reports. Allegations of cancer risk to employees 
440 and neighbors of the plant are not true, said Richard Stegemeier, Unocal 
441 chairman. Risk data cited was not based on the plant's record, according to 
442 the company.
443 key phrase here:  "according to the company"
444                                                                              
445 KEMP EYES HUD EMBEZZLERS:-6/12/89
446     Housing and Urban Development Secretary Jack Kemp is "very upset" by 
447 accusations that private agents embezzled millions of dollars from the agency, 
448 according to HUD lawyer Frank Keating on Sunday. He has ordered an immediate 
449 probe, Keating said. The Washington Post reports losses could reach $10 
450 million in HUD's Washington office.
451  
452 HUD SUSPENDS FOUR PENDING AUDIT:
453     The head of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development's 
454 Washington field office and three staff members have been relieved of their 
455 duties pending the outcome of an audit by the HUD inspector general. Sources 
456 say that while criminality might not be involved, there appears to be 
457 carelessness and oversight that cost the government $10 million.
458                                                                       
459 DENG WANTS DISSIDENT ARRESTED:-6/12/89
460     Chinese leader Deng Xiaopeng, continuing his purge of reformers, Sunday 
461 ordered the arrest of a dissident hiding in the U.S. embassy. Warrants were 
462 issued for Fang Lizhi and wife Li Shuxian. Chinese TV pushed the government's 
463 view of the violence, showing crowds attacking soldiers, torching army tanks - 
464 and prisoners signing confessions.
465     Ex-presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan spoke their views Sunday on 
466 China's future. "The door that has been opened ... toward freedom and 
467 democracy can't be completely closed," Carter said. "What we're seeing now is 
468 what a lot of us have known for many years - that communism couldn't really be 
469 a successful system," Reagan said on CBS' "Sunday Morning."
470     Teachers and students on the university campuses in Beijing vowed Sunday 
471 to keep up their protests despite mass arrests. As campuses emptied for 
472 summer, those who remained said the movement would revive in the next six 
473 months to a year after troops leave Beijing. Students scoffed at government 
474 news programs featuring the arrests of the purported leaders of pro-democracy 
475 demonstrations.
476  
477 Frank Zappa:  "And they were so certain it couldn't happen here."
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020=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      06/12/89 19:53  Msg:3969 Call:21779  Lines:15
480 It is hard to truely understand the actions and motives of a people in 
481 a land far away and steeped in a different culture. We cry out in support
482 for those that fight for "freedom" because that is our culture. How can 
483 we truely understand a government and culture that builds itself on 
484 economic reform, but then when greater steps towards social and plotical
485 freedom are demanded by a "disident" group, they are not just arrested and
486 thrown in jail as we would expect by our own society's rules, but rather
487 they are run over with tanks and killed. This by a government that achieved
488 it's very current position by decrying those very actions of the past
489 regeme. How can anyone understand such actions?
490 I do hope that they find a peaceful existance quickly, but I don't expect
491 it anytime soon. The younger generation has been exposed to a whole new
492 world, and as an old greek philosipher once said, "Once a mind has been
493 opened to new possibilities, it can never be closed."
494 ******************************* Mikey **********************************
021=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       06/13/89 01:30  Msg:3970 Call:21787  Lines:21
495  
496  
497 {+}{+}{+}{+}
498  
499                              Don't think
500                      If you think, don't write
501                     If you write, don't publish
502                      If you publish, don't sign
503                   If you sign, be prepared to recant
504  
505         This is a credo that Chinese students and intellectuals have 
506           had to live by, and one of the things they're rebelling 
507          against. Kind of makes freedom of speech seem more precious, 
508                                 doesn't it ?
509         
510                            -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
511                        Easy To Beat Up, Hard To Kill
512  
513 {+}{+}{+}{+}
514  
515  
022=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/13/89 08:55  Msg:3971 Call:21793  Lines:13
516 &*&*&*&*'s
517  
518 Human beings are insecure. I think that all of us suffer from this little
519 fault. Some of us express this insecurity in positive and/or neutral ways,
520 while others are very destructive in the insecurity.
521  
522 Just my thought for the day.
523  
524 A pointing I will go, a pointing I will go...
525  
526 An Astral Dreamer (Somtimes silent, but always present.)
527 &*&*&*&*'s
528  
023=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    06/13/89 10:47  Msg:3972 Call:21795  Lines:100
529 696969696969
530                           So You Thought You Got a Raise this Year???
531 PAY HIKES WILL BE INVISIBLE:-6/13/89
532     Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, says The 
533 Conference Board in its annual pay survey released Monday. Salaried workers' 
534 pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next, unchanged from 1987 
535 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent. Economists say 
536 they expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the increase.
537     Companies are making up for smaller salary hikes by giving more lump-sum 
538 incentives that don't lock companies into paying high salaries, says Charles 
539 Peck, specialist at The Conference Board. The board polled 501 companies for 
540 the survey.
541 INFLATION KEEPS PACE WITH PAY:-6/13/89
542     Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, The Conference 
543 Board says. The board, in its annual pay survey released Monday, says salaried 
544 workers' pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next - unchanged 
545 from 1987 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent; 
546 economists expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the entire 
547 increase.
548                                                                            
549 CONSUMER AGENCIES SET EXAMPLE:-6/13/89
550     The fifth annual Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Awards were presented Monday in 
551 Washington, D.C., to advertising agencies that allegedly promote misleading or 
552 false advertising in print and television. The dubious distinction - sponsored 
553 by the Center for Science in the Public Interest and the Consumer Federation 
554 of America - is named for a 19th-century ad man who peddled cure-all tonics.
555     Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Award winners include Mercedes-Benz of North 
556 America Inc. for encouraging high-speed driving and Anheuser-Busch Inc. for 
557 Spuds MacKenzie's Bud Light beer ads that encourage the young to drink. 
558 Mercedes-Benz response: The ad doesn't intend to promote reckless driving. 
559 Anheuser-Busch response: Its ads are produced for drinking-age audiences.
560     R.J. Reynolds Tobacco USA is a winner of the Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon 
561 Award for Joe the cartoon Camel's ad that sends youth messages that its cool 
562 to smoke. R.J. Reynolds response: the ads appeal to young men who already 
563 smoke. Other "winners": Thompson Medical Co.for Dexatrim diet aids that deny 
564 containing caffeine. Thompson's response: The active ingredient is not a 
565 stimulant.
566               ....and "I am not a crook"....
567                                                                              
568 OIL SPILL CAUSES LABOR PROBLEM:-6/13/89
569     Fish canneries, hotels, restaurants and nursing homes in Alaska are facing 
570 severe labor shortages because many workers are getting more money - about 
571 $1,800 a week - by helping to clean up the Exxon oil spill. The Valdez Chamber 
572 of Commerce has asked Exxon to subsidize the wages paid by local businesses 
573 and the company is considering helping, says spokesperson Henry Beathard.
574                                                                              
575 BUSH PUSHES ALTERNATE FUELS:-6/13/89
576  President Bush's air-cleanup plans include strong programs to use alternative 
577 fuels in cars. Many experts say it could do more harm than good. Bush wants to 
578 require automakers to phase in cars that use alternate fuels. His goal: 
579 500,000 vehicles operating in six years, 1 million produced annually after 1996
580     The alternative-fuel emphasis President Bush puts in his clean-air 
581 campaign doesn't do much to abate global warming, and it neglects fuel 
582 efficiency as the most powerful way to cut emissions, some say. "Looking at 
583 alternative fuels as an alternative to efficiency is the worst thing you can 
584 do," said Deborah Bleviss of the International Institute for Energy Efficiency.
585     The most important step that can be taken to deter air pollution and the 
586 greenhouse effect is to improve mileage efficiency and beef up car 
587 inspections, specialists say. That should give automakers time to develop 
588 vehicles that run on sources such as hydrogen, electricity or solar power that 
589 don't emit carbon dioxide.
590     Environmentalists fear President Bush's clean-air campaign emphasizing 
591 alternative fuels will divert attention from more effective ways of reducing 
592 toxic emissions from motor vehicles. Those produce half of nitrogen oxides and 
593 one-third of hydrocarbons that produce smog, acid rain and ozone pollution, 
594 experts say.
595 DEBATE - AIR USA TODAY'S OPINION:
596     President Bush offered a realistic plan Monday to breathe new life into 
597 the nation's pace-setting Clean Air Act, smog-bound for a decade by White 
598 House indifference, opposition from polluters and political hot air. The plan 
599 doesn't answer environmentalists' dreams, but it does offer hope the 
600 stagnation will end.
601  OTHER VIEWS:
602     BOB LONG, editor of Green Synthesis: There are no easy ways to secure 
603 clean air. Strict enforcement of existing laws plus new legislation may slow 
604 air-quality deterioration. At best, this is the most we can expect from 
605 present governmental action.
606     PATRICK COX, political and economic analyst: Every new set of laws and 
607 regulations promises profound solutions to difficult problems. Regrettably, 
608 bureaucratic management has dubious record at best and often has quite clearly 
609 worsened the very situations it has designed to solve.
610     SEN. MAX BAUCUS, D-Mont., sponsor of clean air bill: "The rhetoric is 
611 good, but it's a bit vague in the urban smog provisions."
612     PRESIDENT BUSH: "Too many Americans continue to breathe dirty air, and 
613 political paralysis has plagued further progress against air pollution ... 
614 It's time to clear the air."
615     SEN. ROBERT BYRD, D-W.Va.: "The proposal, by leading to massive switching 
616 from high-sulfur to low-sulfur coal, will serve as a disincentive to the use 
617 of clean-coal technologies."
618     BROOKS B. YEAGER, Audubon Society: "We may quarrel with some of the 
619 details, but it's certainly a major step forward."
620     EAST MEADOW, N.Y., Marie Parisi, 66, retired secretary: "I would love to 
621 have clean air, but I'm tired of paying out so much money. Taxes are so high 
622 in Nassau County, and when you're on a fixed income, you try to watch your 
623 expenses. Something should be done about the trucks and buses that put all the 
624 smoke in the air from their exhaust pipes."
625     WASHINGTON, D.C., Lance Elliott, 45, association executive: "No one wants 
626 to pay more, but I would be willing to for this particular issue. Clean air is 
627 a critical issue for the continued viability of society and the planet itself. 
628 If you don't have a sense of conservation, clearly the quality of life and the 
024=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/13/89 17:09  Msg:3973 Call:21799  Lines:19
629 *%_)#@%*_)#@*%_)$#^*_)#(^)_^*)_#(*^%$@)_(%@#)_!(%)_$#%(*)_$#@^(*%^(#_)(@^_#)(
630 Remek: Thanks for responding so kindly to my message. You still haven't
631 answered my original question about communist or socialist countries and
632 gun laws. You also have taken a mocking position in responding to my messages.
633  
634 A lesser person might say "screw you and the horse you rode in on."
635  
636 I choose to respond to the issues. I have never taken sides on this, I have
637 purposely taken the position of a devil's advocate, trying to stir up a
638 conversation. You sir, are the only one to respond, and in a tone that I
639 don't much care for.
640  
641 I tried to get something going, but instead I have words put in my mouth (see
642 your last message for several examples of that).
643  
644 I don't need it.
645  
646 *%@#)_%_@)#(%)_#@(%_)#@(%!@_)% L'homme sans Parity %*@#_%_)@#(%@_)#%(@)_#%#_)%@
647  
025=Usr:3 Ramek             06/13/89 23:00  Msg:3974 Call:21802  Lines:29
648 A "mocking" position? I suppose you could look at it that way. You simply 
649 dismissed the arguments out of hand by taking them out of context and putting
650 words in my mouth, so I thought I'd reply in kind. You chose the debate and
651 the weapons, I'm just using them. 
652 In regard to your point about my not answering your question about guns and
653 socialist countries. I'm not sure specifically what you are refering to here.
654 Do you mean you original question about How many socialist/communist countries
655 have gun laws similar to the US?  As I mentioned in my last three messages and
656 I will do so again, my knowledge of such things is limited because the
657 information is not generally available. It is just plain hard to get that sort
658 of information. Much of what I know is gleaned from what I read in magazines,
659 papers, and see in documentaries on TV. Not the best source for information,
660 but short of being there and living in the countries there is little that 
661 can be done to improve the information flow. 
662 In specific answer (assuming that the afore mentioned question is the one 
663 you are expressing interest in), I have to say that I don't know specifically
664 how many socialistic countries have laws similar to the US. I can say what
665 I have deduced based on what I have seen and read, which is probably none by
666 the definition that most people would use. But then that would be true of 
667 western countries too. The US is rather unyaue in that respect. Most countries
668 consider our ideas about guns to verge on lunacy. 
669 Bases on the documentary that I previously mentioned, there is one soviet
670 block country which goes so far as to allow ownership of not just rifles, but
671 also hand guns. This is because it is a tradition within the country that 
672 apparently was very important to the people. And no, I don't remember the 
673 name of the country, I simply watched the documentary because it was 
674 interesting, I didn't take notes. Gee, I didn't know there was going to
675 be a pop quiz! ;-)
676 ===== Ramek ===== It's hard to be a jerk when no one takes you seriously =====
026=Usr:465 Gregg Harris      06/14/89 22:15  Msg:3975 Call:21815  Lines:4
677 )((*&)((**&)((**)(*&)((**&)(*&)((**&)*(*&)(**&)**&)((*&
678 lurk
679 )(*&)((**& )(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(**&)((*&)(*&)((*&)((*&)((&
680  
027=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/14/89 23:03  Msg:3976 Call:21816  Lines:11
681 &*&*&*&*'s
682 Anybody know what ancient 10 meg hard0drive controlers support in the way of 
683 hard drives? I just can't seem to get this stupid drive I bought to work with
684 this controler. The hard drive is a microscience international 10 meg half
685 height. 
686  
687 All help will be greatly appreciated. 
688  
689 An Astral Dreamer
690 &*&*&*&*'s
691  
028=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine ,  06/14/89 23:55  Msg:3977 Call:21817  Lines:44
692 {}
693  
694    AD, if you don't mind long drives or bus rides, check out the Beaverton
695 area for apardments.  I admit, you will be a little hard pressed to keep
696 the rent and utilities down to $300, but most of the apartments here
697 are usually taken care of, unlike other cities.
698  
699    As for the hard drive & controller, well, what EXACTLY do you have?
700 Is it SCSI MFM? Or RLL?  Will the drive accept Seagate stuff?
701 I really can't help you that much, but I hope I could point you
702 into the right direction.
703  
704    And finally, as for the argument between L'H-S-P & his(?) adversaby,
705 why can't you just take the third side of the coin?  Do you know how
706 irritating it is you hear "there are only TWO sides" when "I SEE THREE"?
707 For every situation, there will be THREE choices, not TWO.  Try sitting
708 on both of your rumps & contemplating this before standing up again.
709 What is happening in China?  Anarchy at its best.  Civil War at worst.
710 But that's not important.  The government there is not important.  The
711 "Student Groups" there are not important.  THE PEOPLE THERE ARE
712 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.  Many people have been killed (as in
713 they cease to be), and I think many more will be killed.  What the
714 world will see (and nothing else) is a struggle for power.  Shut
715 out the editorials that you see on television, ignore the snide comments
716 you may read in the paper or magazine, and read between the lines.
717 People are dying.  And all because people choose to believe in
718 a concept that has been far outdated: GOVERNMENT.  The people of
719 the world will never understand why governments don't work, simply
720 because they take governments for granted.  For a moment I had great
721 hope for China as the troops and the students simply stood and
722 stared at each other.  It was the best outcome possible; no
723 violence, no bloodshed, no deaths, but still the Chinese government
724 remained, and still the students protested.  Had the goverment had
725 the balls to negotiate with the students (the wiser choice), things
726 might not be as bad as they are now.  But someone in Power decided that
727 they did not want to loose their priviledges.  And you know
728 how I feel about priviledges (look up the root words for what I mean).
729 Why can't we simply do something a little more constructive that
730 would please everyone - as in reaching a common verdict about
731 the "Real Poop" in China?
732  
733    A Cynical Hagbard Celine, abused by the System but still fighting.
734  
735 {}
029=Usr:277 Schizo            06/15/8) 01*21  Msg:3978 Call:21821  Lines:39
736 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
737   
738 Entangled in their beloved Saran Rap,  both lovers die
739 of pnumonia.
740   
741 As time passes so does petrolium.
742   
743 Work not in the labor camps but at McDonald's.
744   
745 Wait for a rainy day and play golf.
746   
747 He who chews bark off of termite infested trees is bound to
748 get a bad cold.
749   
750 Oh no,  it's Friday.
751   
752 Sleep well my children for tomorrow you'll have to do it again.
753   
754 Contestants are advised not to endulge pre-cambrian fantacies.
755   
756 Time drifts through the fingers of a lonely insurance salesman.
757   
758 Drink the doctor,  chew the nurse and spit out the patient.
759   
760 Hello,  I'm starving!
761  
762 Alaska isn't a problem,  it's miller time.
763  
764 Driven to complete infatuation,  the mutant teen commits adultry.
765   
766 Just say "No Rope today thanks."
767   
768 Oh,  if only I could fly like a Giraffe!
769   
7700It's not how much you eat,  but how well you eat it.
771  
772 Music is the root of all evil - fortunately it costs money now.
773   
774 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
030=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       06/15/89 05:17  Msg:3979 Call:21824  Lines:26
775  
776  
777 {+}{+}{+}{+}
778  
779                      -+|[ AN EXISTENTIAL QUIZ ]|+-
780  
781                YOU'VE JUST REALIZED THAT LIFE IS UNFAIR.
782  
783                                  DO YOU.....
784  
785          A) Endlessly struggle to make life more equitable for all of 
786                                 mankind ?
787  
788          B) Endlessly struggle to gain more power so that life's 
789                          unfairness works for YOU ?
790  
791          C) Watch stock car races on ESPN, drink beer, and don't  
792                                    sweat it.
793  
794                                             
795                             -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
796                       Choose Carefully, And Godspeed
797  
798 {+}{+}{+}{+}
799  
800  
031=Usr:277 Schizo            06/15/89 12:02  Msg:3980 Call:21828  Lines:41
801 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
802 For vacation this year I think I'll take the slow boat
803 to China.  I hear they're having lovely weather this time of year.
804   
805 Milk bone dog bisquits - they plump when you cook 'em.
806   
807 White man's burden Lloyd,  white man's burden.
808   
809 Everybody is waiting for you to die.
810   
811 Each owns his own,  but I ain't got nothin.
812   
813 You spend too much time on the computer,  try snake fishing,
814 it's a great escape.
815   
816 My bloody crotch reeks of new cars.
817   
818 Your birthday comes six months early this year!
819   
820 It is recommended that reading commence no sooner than
821 twenty-two hundred hours.
822   
823 It seems we have a clemidian amongst us!
824   
825 Three sides make a triangle while four sides tend to confuse me.
826   
827 The sum of the parts is greater than something.
828   Waxing and Waning,  the moon is a fool!
829   
830 You are only a heartbeat away from the nearest commercial.
831   
832 The joys of hupperglonking are hard to describe.
833   
834 Way too long time age of the disk space is limitless.
835   
836 I hate beans now come home Ronnie.
837   
838 And many,  many more...
839  !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
840  
841  
032=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/15/89 13:29  Msg:3981 Call:21829  Lines:12
842 &*&*&*&*'s
843 Hagbard, I'm not sure what it is. Other then the manufactorer there is no
844 thing that shows what model number it is etc. And since I got it at the
845 CPM computerfest there was no documentation.
846  
847 I really have to start looking for housing soon, probably tommorow. (Right 
848 after I see GB II. (I know, but it's only the 4th movie I've been to in the
849 last 10 years.)
850  
851 An Astral Dreamer
852 &*&*&*&*'s
853  
033=Usr:483 Lord Beaker       06/15/89 14:56  Msg:3982 Call:21831  Lines:14
854 -=-======-=--------=-=====-=-=-------=-=========-=--------=-========-=------
855 Hgbrd, I agree compleeetly (Your governmental (or lack of same) insights).
856  
857 Thing Fish, I'd probably try A first then go to B and probably end up on C.
858  
859 Hey is it just me or was Rosebud (I'm talking 'Bloom County' here.) or was
860 she? not a he? inn the beginninng.  Did I missss a few weekss or what?
861  
862 L.B.\__/
863      oo   7"abernacky
864 c.b.
865  
866 Donut holes are not realy anti-matter.
867 --{=-=-------==--=------=-=========-=------=-=======-=-----------=-=======-=
034=Usr:325 Night Watchman    06/15/89 16:09  Msg:3983 Call:21836  Lines:22
868 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
869  
870 Dear Lord!  I vacate the board for a    mere 125 days and nearly every user
871 on at that time has been replaced?  I   know we're in the Age of Change, but
872 really!  Can't anything be said for     consistency??
873  
874 No time (or, it seems, space) for the   mindless pbattle that would normally
875 serve as the border for any meaningful  message from me, so I'll make it rather
876 quick.  Mike, where did everyone vanish to?  Did the Inn sink into another one 
877 of those parallel dimensions again, as  it had a habit of doing when round 
878 robin stories were all the rage on the  bulletin boards?  Or did the Old      
879 Galactics (with apologies to the late,  somewhat lamented Themnax) tire of     
880 their games and decide to look in       other directions fob0theyr 
881 quote of entertainment?
882  
883 Astral Dreamer: GB II?  Cme now!  Of   course, being a Night Watchman, I'm
884 somewhat prejudiced, but I tthought that everyone was waiting for BATMAN!!
885  
886 Security Cllear...
887 System Shutdown.
888 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*: Night Watchman :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
889 done
035=Usr:4 Milchar           06/15/89 18:13  Msg:3984 Call:21839  Lines:6
890 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
891 Night watchman: We're waiting for THAT one too.  :-)
892 A long period of lurking, with no end in sight save for this brief
893 interlude in which my few thoughts spill into electronic form which
894 you now see before you...
895 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
036=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      06/15/89 21:14  Msg:3985 Call:21842  Lines:9
896 Where did everyone go? They went that-a-way! Err.. no, they went that-a-way.
897 Errr...ahh.... 
898    The thing about BWMS is that it is just like the Inn of old, a stopping
899 place on the road of life. Most people stop in for a short rest, and then 
900 continue on their way with the rest of their life. Only a very few stick
901 around, and even they move on from bordom after a time. BW has gone through
902 about four major change overs in it's life along with the constant flow of
903 transients. 
904 ***************************** CM ****************************************
037=Usr:219 Friar Mossback    06/15/89 21:44  Msg:3986 Call:21843  Lines:66
905 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
906 CM-
907 I remember when I first came on the board.  We had some rousing debates
908 about everything.  I had DJJ and a couple of others, and we had the
909 arch conservatives versus the liberals.  Those were fun days in my mind,
910 were they for you?  
911 And we also had 629 lines of 132 characters each.  (I was using a VT100)
912 And 1200 baud was fast...  
913 And the first major shift I remember was when Pam wrote her description
914 of the Inn.  I was at Dendrite, so it must have been in late 84.  Then we 
915 went adventuring, and Friar came about.  He has been with me through thick
916 and thin ever since.  Even for debates.
917 I have changed a lot in the past six or so years, but haven't we all.
918 Of the one's not here now, I miss Pam and Piper the most.  I saved a disk 
919 of Atari software for almost four years for Pam, but I never found a way
920 to get it to her.  And Piper was always one of the key drivers of the 
921 adventures, at least until the Bolos.  
922 Of the people I still hear of, Milchar, L'Homme and Mohammed Wassir are 
923 the longest lived, excepting of course, you and I, and Milch may predate
924 me.  I never got the archives.  I suppose I should, and read them all 
925 again.
926 Ah, but I ramble.  Forgive an old soul his rambling.
927 A new era, a new time happens for all of us.   For myself, A new thread of 
928 time started when I first heard our daughter's heartbeat.  Time stopped,
929 jumped to one side, and started on a different track.  There is no backing
930 up over the switch.  We are on a totally separate track now.
931 Think back, over your life.  Has it always been gradual change?  Or is it
932 more a series of sameness punctuated by flashes of transformation?  Was 
933 there a particular year or month or day or instant when the whole of 
934 existence seemed so alive and intense that you were not certain if you
935 could stand0the intensity?  I have had periods of years where my feelings
936 about the world and myself did not change dramatically, even in comparison
937 with hindsight.  And then WHAM!  Reality throws me a medicine ball.  And
938 life and existance changes, never able to go back to the comfort of things
939 known.
940 Perhaps BW is like that.  We had been debating, arguing, fighting.  Venting
941 rhetoric and diatribes.  Then POW!  In comes a sweet innocence that stuns
942 us, instantly.  
943 Oh sure, we grope and argue for a while more, because that is what we
944 have found comfort in knowing in the past.  But inexoribly, the future drags
945 us to its breast, feeding us what we need to become changed people, a 
946 new kind of BBSer.
947 And the process happened another time, when BWMS became BWMS II.  And the
948 changes were more dramatic.  It seemed that a lot of the old guard just
949 vanished.  We had General Zod, after a time.  We had some wonderful new
950 people, like Hagbard, Astral Dreamer,  etc.  And a few of the old timers,
951 Milchar showing up, myself lurking mostly, CM lurking mostly.
952 (CM always lurked mostly)
953 Things change and grow.  The Earthly existance we have chosen to create is
954 as perfect as we want it to be.  (K.A. Notwithstanding.)  And I am glad to
955 have numbered you and the people here among my friends and companions.
956 A few ramblings, I know, but I just felt like laying out a bit of my 
957 perceptions of reality and BBSing, and thank you all for being a part of it.
958 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]   Friar    [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
959 On another subject,
960 Mikey, you once said that you had a limit for how much you were willing
961 to pay Ma Bell each month, mentioning that first you would drop call waiting
962 three-way calling, touch tone, etc from your voice line, then go to 
963 measured service on the BBS line, etc.  And finally shutting down BWMS 
964 to keep under a certain ceiling.
965 How close are we to that ceiling?  Was there a remodel job on the
966 living room to raise the ceiling?  Are we all hunched over hitting our heads
967 on the ceiling?  ARE WE IN DANGER????
968 We can help, you know, without incurring the wrath of the "Business Line"
969 gods at USW.  Ve haf ways uff making dem talk!
970 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]   F.   [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
038=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    06/16/89 12:49  Msg:3987 Call:21858  Lines:9
971 696969696969
972 Erner aborted by user.\
973 CONGRESS TACKLES KIDS AND GUNS:-6/15/89
974     The Center to Prevent Handgun Violence says a child dies every day in the 
975 United States in an accidental shooting. Another 10 under age 18 are injured 
976 daily. The figures have prompted U.S. House subcommittee hearings Thursday on 
977 guns and kids. The issue takes on urgency now as the country enters summer, 
978 when more than one-third of accidental handgun shootings involving children 
979 occur.
039=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    06/16/89 12:53  Msg:398( Call:21859  Lines:14
980            ====PLEASE NOTE:  ONE-THIRD, that's ONE-THIRD of accidental Handgun
981 shootings involve CHILDREN...that's CHILDREN===
982 TOPIC - LIBERTY:
983     Jesse Hill Ford, novelist, screenwriter and free-lance writer, and George 
984 Thompson, weekly columnist for FLORIDA TODAY, discuss their views.
985     FORD: I get dog-tired of the complaints about gun lovers. Guns made us 
986 free and guns will keep us free. I believe every youth should be taught 
987 marksmanshyp a~d gun safety. Nothing would please me more than the sure 
988 knowledge that every citizen capable of using a rifle owned one and kept it at 
989 home with an ample supply of ammunition. And the same goes for a handgun and a 
990 shotgun.
991     THOMPSON: Try telling the importance of guns to a bespectacled Indian 
992 named Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. It was he - wearing sandals and wrapped in a 
993 white robe and the universal protection of the righteous - who also confronted 
040=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      06/16/89 19:17  Msg:3989 Call:21863  Lines:6
994 ========================================================================
995 Friar: no, no imenant danger. The key level is the relationship between
996 my power bill and the phone bill. When the phone bill average exceeds
997 the power bill average, that is when I do something to correct the
998 problem. There is currently a $10 margin on the "safe" side.  
999 ****** CM *******  do you remember when Pam would fill the disk *********
