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To:                ALL                   Date:    05/21
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:     2:20 AM

Just a thought, but when Rand finally does go to Tar Valon, 
and looks upon Dragonmount, will he see himself (Lews       
Therin) dying thousands of years in the past?Could this be  
another Lews "trying to take over point" in the story?      
                                                            
                         - Ishamael.                        


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To:     YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Date:    05/23
From:   YGNK21A    JAMES MOCK SR         Time:     1:41 AM

 Who knows? ( besides Robert Jordan )  Maybe the stronger   
the flashback, the stronger the hold Lews Therin Telamon has
over Rands personality.  And seeing his own death would     
certainly be very strong.                                   


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To:     YGNK21A    JAMES MOCK SR         Date:    05/23
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:    10:22 PM

I've also noticed that the more Rand channels, the more     
Lews tries to take over.  If there is a Power war near Tar  
Valon, couldn't this place, above all else (except Shayol   
Ghul) be the place for Lews to finally take over?  I think  
so.                                                         
                     - Ishamael.                            


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To:     YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Date:    05/24
From:   YGNK21A    JAMES MOCK SR         Time:     2:07 AM

 It's possible. I think it would also depend on what he     
tries to channel, such as how much he tries to channel.  But
I'm not quite sure Lews is totally going to take over. Not  
because of anything in the story, I just don't think Rand   
al'Thor will disappear from the scene. I just can't wait to 
find out how R. Jordan will right it.                       


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To:     YGNK21A    JAMES MOCK SR         Date:    05/26
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:    11:07 PM

I don't think Rand willdissappear either.  Maybe there will 
be some points where Lews is stronger, but in the end Rand  
will be the main personality.  Oh, just realized- what if,  
in the end after the DO is killed or driven off, Lews is    
still in Rand's mind?  Would he just go on living, having a 
second person inside him?                                   
                           - Ishamael.                      


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To:     YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Date:    05/29
From:   HCPX23C    KYRA JUCOVY           Time:     6:37 PM

   I just thought - wouldn't Dragonmount be a good place for
Rand to get Lews out of his mind?  It could be that Lews'   
memories get stronger and stronger, and then finally, right 
before he takes over Rand, the memory of his death comes and
banishes those Lews memories for good.                      


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To:     HCPX23C    KYRA JUCOVY           Date:    05/29
From:   YGNK21B    JAMES MOCK            Time:     7:01 PM

 Here is an idea. Lews will remain with Rand long enough to 
fight the Dark One. Then if Rand/Lews is still alive Rand   
al'Thor will be the dominant personality.                   


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To:     HCPX23C    KYRA JUCOVY           Date:    05/29
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:     7:14 PM

Either he'll (Lews) will somehow die out by seeing his own  
death, or he'll go crazy by remembering what he did even    
more.  For that, I guess we will hear a lot of "Ilyena,     
forgive me!!"                                               
                                                            
                         - Ishamael.                        


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To:     YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Date:    06/02
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     1:50 PM

You're all wrong, there's no other personality trying to    
take over Rand. Ya, ya. right. Bar tender, one more round!  
I can quite, anytime. Denial, that's the way to go.         
Actually, it SAYS in several spots:                         
 "let the Promised One be born of the mountain, according   
to the prophecies as he was in ages past and will be in     
ages to come..."                                            
 "yet one shall be born to face the Shadow born once more   
as he was born before and shall be born gain, time without  
end."                                                       
 "And his paths shall be many, and who shall know his       
name, for he shall be born among us many times, inmany      
guises, as he has been and ever will be, time without end." 
Note the HE not THEY. If Rand was a composite entity, they  
would be a composite of different souls. Rand isn't. Rand   
is Lews. Rand is every Promised One of every Age of every   
Turning. There is one entity that is born again and again   
to fight the Dark One. As a matter of fact, in TSR, Egwene  
expresses the belief that everyone is reborn again in the   
next Age. I don't have the quote on hand, but I can post    
it if necessary.  Moiraine                                  


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/02
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:    11:40 PM

Pardon me my friends but I'm going to go hang myself in my  
living room...DRAT!  Why is it that I always miss one       
thing-the most important thing, of course.  Okay, then.  If 
Rand is the "One" in all places, all time, then if he went  
to another world through a Portal Stone he would not find   
another Rand there?  I think it said something of "other    
exact dimensions" or something of the like with the >>>     
same people.  Like the old Superman vs. bad Superman duel in
an exact backward dimension.                                
                                                            
                                                            
                                                            
                  - Ishamael.                               


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/02
From:   YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Time:    11:41 PM

By the way bartender, I think I'll definitely have another  
one.  Zima, no ice please.                                  
                                                            
                       - Ishamael.                          


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To:     YXXB37B    CHRISTOPHER MARTY     Date:    06/03
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     5:04 PM

I think like the Amber series, the Mirrors of the Wheel are 
only pale immitations of the real world. And I think Verin  
said that if the Dark One was let out in one mirror he would
be let out in all realities. We haven't discussed the       
various worlds/realities of (sarcastically) "Randland."     
Moiraine                                                    


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   HCPX23C    KYRA JUCOVY           Time:    10:42 PM

    I wasn't excactly aurguing this point.  In fact, you are
probably right.  I believe, however, that Rand is having a  
little trouble with his memories.  Wouldn't you be rather   
surprised if you remembered things that you believed never  
happened to you.  It doesn't really matter that it's Rand's 
memories, it only matters that Rand believes that it's      
impossible for him to remember them.  Perhaps when Rand goes
to Dragonmount he will become at peace with his memories    
after remembering his death.  Of course, he might go mad,   
like I would (G).                                           
                                                            
                                                            
                                                            
                                                            
                             ---Adora Aybara                


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To:     HCPX23C    KYRA JUCOVY           Date:    06/18
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     6:16 PM

Yes, I agree, it's how he looks at his new memories. He     
views them as alien, thus they have been given the persona, 
Lews. Make sure to export the prophecies AND everything you 
find in "BEHOLD." You'll love it.  Moiraine                 


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To:                ALL                   Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    11:53 AM

<note 1 of 2>                                               
For all those dimwits who haven't gotten around to          
subscribing to The Chronicles or haven't obtained their     
free copy, here is the compilation of all the Prophecies of 
WoT. Export it-or be banished from the Light forever!       
                                  Moiraine                  
                                                            
History, Prophecy, Foretellings, Dreams, Viewings,          
information from predictive Ter'angreal, and Eelfinn wishes 
A complete compilation of predictive passages from EOW-FOH  
May 29, 1994                                                
by Carolyn Fusinato with the help of Richard S. Millard's   
October, 92 compilation and the Internet's FAQ              
                                                            
1. Histories from the Fourth Age.                           
2. Prophecy.                                                
    i. The Karaethon Cycle.                                 
      a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by    
         various characters                                 
      b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age   
         on the Karaethon Cycle                             
   ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.             
      a. The Jendai Prophecy.                               
      b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean                           
  iii. dark prophecy.                                       
      a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy        
   iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.                      
3. Foretellings.                                            
   ii. Elaida's Foretellings.                               
   ii. Diendre's Foretellings.                              
  iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.                        
4. Dreams.                                                  
    i. Egwene's dreams.                                     
   ii. Perrin's dreams.                                     
  iii. Wise One's dreams.                                   
   iv. Morin's dreams                                       
    v. Sorelle's dreams.                                    
   vi. Rand's dreams.                                       
5. Visions.                                                 
    i. Min's visions.                                       
   ii. Aelfinn's visions                                    
    a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers            
    b. What we know of Rand's answers                       
    c. What we know of Moiraine's answers                   
6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.           
    i. Aviendha.                                            
   ii. Moiraine.                                            
7. Eelfinn.                                                 
                                                            
     1. Histories from the Fourth Age. I have nothing to    
add to Mr. Millard's analysis on why these must be included 
as prophetic fragments towards Rand's future. Certainly, as 
he said, it must be taken into consideration that the       
passing of time might perhaps distort the amount of         
credible information that they provide. This is actually    
covered in the series during a conversation on the          
distortion of history between Thom and Elayne (TSR, Chapter 
20, p230-231) on the Wavedancer. Additionally, the fact has 
been reinforced in each book during the beginning paragraph 
of the first chapter.                                       


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 2 of 22>                                              
1.01 <EOW, Prologue, Dragonmount, xv>                       
"And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven 
stone from stone. the oceans fled, and the mountains were   
swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight   
corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was   
as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead.  
All was shattered, all but memory lost, and one memory      
above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the     
breaking of the world. And they named him Dragon."  (from   
Aleth nin Taerin alta Camora, The Breaking of the World.    
Author unknown, the Fourth Age)                             
1.02 <EOW, prologue, Dragonmount, xv>                       
"And it came to pass in those days, as it had come before   
and would come again, that the Dark lay heavy on the land   
and weighed down the hearts of men, and the green things    
failed, and hope died. And men cried out to the Creator,    
saying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the 
Promised One be born of the mountain, according to the      
prophecies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to   
come.  Let the Prince of the Morning sing to the land that  
green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs.    
Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the     
Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us.  Let the    
Dragon ride again on the winds of time."  (from Charal      
Drianaan te Calamon, The Cycle of the Dragon. Author        
unknown, the Fourth Age) [a portion of this ("And men cried 
out to the...the winds of time.) was also on p577, TGH,     
Chapter 50, After]                                          
1.03 <TDR, Chapter 56, People of the Dragon, p675>          
"And it was written that no hand but his should wield the   
Sword held in the Stone, but he did draw it out, like fire  
in his hand, and his glory did burn the world. Thus did it  
begin. Thus do we sing his Rebirth. Thus do we sing the     
beginning." (from Do'in Toldara te, Songs of the Last Age,  
Quarto Nine: The Legend of the Dragon Composed by Boanne,   
Songmistress at Taralan, the Fourth Age)                    
1.04 <TSR, Chapter 58, The Traps of Rhuidean, p681>         
"And when the blood was sprinkled on ground where nothing   
could grow, the Children of the Dragon did spring up, the   
People of the Dragon, armed to dance with death. And he     
did call them forth from the wasted lands, and they did     
shake the world with battle." (from The Wheel of Time by    
Sulamein so Bhagad Chief Historian at the Court of the      
Sun, the Fourth Age.)                                       
                                                            
     2. Prophecy. Much as Mr. Millard says, the prophecies  
of the Wheel of Time are often the most reliable and        
revealing sources of information given to us. The prophecy  
most central to the books, the Karaethon Cycle, is perhaps  
the best supplied. However, other prophecies which must     
come into consideration number, the Jendai Prophecy (The    
Sea Folk Prophecy), The Prophecy of Rhuidean (Aiel          
Prophecy), the Dark Prophecy found in Fal Dara, and the     
Cycle of the Horn. Included in this compilation is a        
passage from Vandene analyzing portions of the Karaethon    
Cycle and a passage from Verin that analyzes the Dark       
Prophecy. Both analysis provide the vital information       
needed to comprehend the complete import of the             
respective prophecies.                                      


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 3 of 22>                                              
i. The Karaethon Cycle                                      
  a. portions of the Karaethon Cycle as recounted by        
various characters                                          
2.01 <EOW, Chapter 13, pp158-159>                           
"One of the Prophecies says that the Stone of Tear will     
never fall until the People of the Dragon come to the       
Stone. Another says the Stone will never fall until the     
Sword That Cannot be Touched is wielded by the Dragon's     
hand...The Fall of the Stone will be one of the major       
signs that the Dragon has been reborn.(fulfilled)" (From    
the Prophecies of the Dragon, as related by Thom Merrilin   
to Rand al'Thor).                                           
2.02 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p56>           
"For he shall come like the breaking dawn, and shatter the  
world again with his coming, and make it anew.(uncertain)"  
(quoted by Siuan Sanche, (then)The Amyrlin Seat raised      
from the Blue Ajah).                                        
2.03. <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387>&<TSR, Chapter 9,     
Decisions, p180>                                            
"Twice and twice shall he be marked,                        
Twice to live, and twice to die,                            
Once the heron to set his path.(fulfilled)                  
Twice the heron, to name him true.(fulfilled)               
Once the Dragon for remembrance lost.(fulfilled)            
Twice the Dragon for the price he must                      
pay.(uncertain)"(quoted by Thom Merrilin to Rand al'Thor    
in Cairhien)                                                
2.04 <TGH, Chapter 26, Discord, p387>                       
"Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.                
Once for mourning, once for birth.                          
Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol  
Ghul.                                                       
In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the        
Shadow.(unfulfilled)"(quoted by Thom Merrilin to Rand       
al'Thor in Cairhien)                                        
2.05 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p110>              
"When the winds of Tarmon Gai'don scour the earth, he will  
face the Shadow and bring forth Light again in the          
world.(unfulfilled)" (quoted by Siuan Sanche, The Amyrlin   
Seat)                                                       
2.06 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275>                      
"Five ride forth, and four return. Above the watchers       
shall he proclaim himself, bannered cross the sky in        
fire.(fulfilled)"  (quoted by Vandene, Aes Sedai of the     
Brown Ajah).                                                
2.07 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, p57>                 
"He has yet to break the nations, or shatter the world.     
Even scholars who have studied the Prophecies for their     
entire lives do not know how to interpret them all. What    
does it mean that he shall 'slay his people with the sword  
of peace, and destroy them with the leaf'(unfulfilled)?     
What does it mean that he 'shall bind the nine moons to     
serve him'(unfulfilled)? Yet these there are given equal    
weight with Callandor in the Cycle. There are others. What  
'wound of madness and cutting of hope'(uncertain) has he    
healed? What chains has he broken, and who put into         
chains?(fulfilled)" (quoted by Moiraine Damodred, Aes       
Sedai of the Blue Ajah)                                     
2.08 <TSR,Chapter 3, Reflection, p71>                       
"His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the    
Shadow, sacrifice for man's                                 


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 4 of 22>                                              
salvation.(unfulfilled)"(quoted by Rand al'Thor)            
2.09 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p131>                       
"Power of the Shadow made human flesh,                      
wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.(fulfilled)             
The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,                        
dances the sword in dreams and mist,                        
chains the Shadowsworn to his will,(fulfilled)              
from the city, lost and forsaken,                           
leads the spears to war once more,(fulfilled)               
breaks the spears(unfulfilled) and makes them see,          
truth long hidden in the ancient                            
dream.(unfulfilled)"(quoted by Moiraine Damodred, Aes       
Sedai of the Blue Ajah)                                     
2.10 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p239>                
"There was no guide to how they were connected, or what     
they were supposed to do; the Prophecies never mentioned    
companions."(Moiraine's thoughts in the Heart of the        
Stone)                                                      
2.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244>                
"Into the heart he thrusts his sword,                       
into the heart, to hold their hearts.(fulfilled)            
Who draws it out shall follow after,                        
What hand can grasp that fearful blade?(uncertain)"         
(quoted by Rand al'Thor)                                    
                                                            
  b. commentaries and translations from the Third Age on    
the Karaethon Cycle                                         
2.12 <TGH, ix>                                              
"And it shall come to pass that what men made shall be      
shattered, and the Shadow shall lie across the Pattern of   
the Age, and the Dark One shall once more lay his hand      
upon the world of man. Women shall weep and men quail as    
the nations of the earth are rent like rotting cloth.       
Neither shall anything stand nor abide...                   
"Yet one shall be born to face the Shadow, born once more   
as he was born before and shall be born again, time         
without end. The Dragon shall be Reborn, and there shall    
he clothe the people, and he shall break the world again    
by his coming, tearing apart all ties that bind. Like the   
unfettered dawn shall he blind us, and burn us, yet shall   
the Dragon Reborn confront the Shadow at the Last battle,   
and his blood shall give us the Light. Let tears flow, O    
ye people of the world. Weep for your salvation." (from     
The Karaethon Cycle: The Prophecies of the Dragon,as        
translated by Ellaine Marise'idin Alshinn, Chief Librarian  
at the Court of Arafel, in the Year of Grace 231 of the     
New Era, the Third Age.)                                    
2.13 <TGH, Chapter 22, Watchers, p275>                      
"'Five ride forth, and four return. Above the watchers      
shall he proclaim himself, bannered cross the sky in        
fire...' Well, it goes on. The point is, the word ma'vron.  
I say it should be translated not simply as 'watchers,'     
which is a'vron. Ma'vron has more importance to it. I say   
it means the Watchers Over the Waves, though they call      
themselves Do Miere A'vron, of course, not Ma'vron...But I  
believe it means the Dragon Reborn will appear somewhere    
above Toman Head, in Arad Doman, or Saldaea." (related by   
Vandene, Aes Sedai of the Brown Ajah)                       
2.14 <TDR, ix>                                              
"And his paths shall be many, and who shall know his name,  


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 5 of 22>                                              
for he shall be born among us many times, in many guises,   
as he has been and ever will be, time without end. His      
coming shall be like the sharp edge of the plow, turning    
our lives in furrows from out of the places where we lie    
in our silence. The breaker of bonds; the forger of         
chains. The maker of futures; the unshaper of destiny."     
(from Commentaries on the Prophecies of the Dragon, by      
Jurith Dorine, Right Hand to the Queen of Almoren, 742 AB,  
the Third Age.)                                             
2.15 <TSR, p9>                                              
"The Shadow shall rise across the world, and darken every   
land, even to the smallest corner, and there shall be       
neither Light nor safety. And he who shall be born of the   
Dawn, born of the Maiden, according to Prophecy, he shall   
stretch forth his hands to catch the Shadow, and the world  
shall scream in the pain of salvation. All Glory be to the  
Creator, and to the Light, and to he who shall be born      
again. May the Light save us from him." (from Commentaries  
on the Karaethon Cycle Sereine dar Shamelle Motara          
Counsel-Sister to Comaelle, High Queen of Jaramide (circa   
325 AB), the Third Age)                                     
2.16 <FOH, p9>                                              
"With his coming are the dread fires born again. The hills  
burn, and the land turns sere. The tides of men run out,    
and the hours dwindle. The wall is pierced, and the veil    
of parting raised. Storms rumble beyond the horizon, and    
the fires of heaven purge the earth. There is no salvation  
without destruction, no hope this side of death."           
(fragment from The Prophecies of the Dragon believed        
traslated by N'Delia Basolaine First Maid and Sword fast    
to Raidhen of Hol Cuchone (circa 400 AB))                   
                                                            
ii. prophecy pertaining to a certain people.                
  a. The Jendai Prophecy                                    
2.17 <TSR, Chapter 19, The Wavedancer, pp220-221>           
"He can wield the One Power, so I have heard, and he holds  
the Sword That Cannot Be Touched. The Aiel have come over   
the Dragonwall to his call; I have seen several in the      
streets, and it is said they fill the Stone. The Stone of   
Tear has fallen, and war breaks over the nations of the     
land. Those who once ruled have returned, and been driven   
back for the first time. Prophecy is being fulfilled."      
<p220>(fulfilled)                                           
"The Prophecy is being fulfilled. He is the Coramoor. Aes   
Sedai serve him(fulfilled). You are proof of that, that     
you are here in this city. That is in the Prophecy as       
well. 'The White Tower shall be broken by his name, and     
Aes Sedai shall kneel to wash his feet and dry them with    
their hair.(uncertain)'"<p221>(quoted by Coine din Jubai    
Wild Winds, Sailsmistress of the Wavedancer)                
                                                            
  b. The Prophecy of Rhuidean                               
2.18 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p346>   
"One of the old prophecies says that if ever we fail Aes    
Sedai again, they will slay us.(unfulfilled)"(related by    
Urien of the Two Spires sept of the Reyn Aiel)              
2.19 <TGH, Chapter 28, A New Thread In The Pattern, p347>   
"He will come from the west, beyond the Spine of the        
World, but be of our blood(fulfilled). He will go to        
Rhuidean, and lead us out of the Three-fold                 


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 6 of 22>                                              
Land(fulfilled)...In the dirt Urien scraped a circle with   
his spearpoint, then drew across it a sinuous line. 'It is  
said that under this sign, he will conquer.(fulfilled)'"    
(related by Urien, of the Two Spirers sept of the Reyn Aiel)
2.20 <TSR, Reflection, Chapter 3, p74>                      
"In your Prophecies of the Dragon, the fall of the Stone    
and the taking of Callandor proclaim that the Dragon has    
been Reborn. Our prophecy says only that the Stone must     
fall before He Who Comes With the Dawn appears to take us   
back to what was ours. They may be one man, but I doubt     
even the Wise Ones could say for sure. If Rand is the one,  
there are things he must do yet to prove it."               
2.21 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road To The Spear, p286>         
"That one will come later...The stone that never falls      
will fall to announce his coming.(fulfilled) Of the blood,  
but not raised by the blood(fulfilled), he will come from   
Rhuidean at dawn, and tie you together with bonds you       
cannot break(fulfilled). He will take you back, and he      
will destroy you(uncertain)." (heard by Rand al'Thor as     
Mandein)                                                    
2.22 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p394>    
"...Without you, no one of our people will live beyond the  
Last Battle. Perhaps not even until the Last Battle. 'He    
shall spill out the blood of those who call themselves      
Aiel as water on sand, and he shall break them as dried     
twigs, yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and      
they shall live.(unfulfilled)'"(quoted by Bair, of the      
Haido sept of the Shaarad Aiel)                             
2.23 <TSR, Chapter 57, A Breaking in the Three-fold Land,   
p665>                                                       
"Born of the Blood, but raised by those not of the          
Blood.(fulfilled)" (quoted by Rand al'Thor)                 
                                                            
iii. dark prophecy.                                         
2.24 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, p89>               
"Daughter of the Night, she walks again.(fulfilled)         
The ancient war, she yet fights                             
Her new lover she seeks, who shall serve her and die, yet   
serve still. (unfulfilled-validity as prophecy              
questionable)                                               
Who shall stand against her coming?                         
The Shining Walls shall kneel.(unfulfilled)                 
Blood feeds blood.                                          
Blood calls blood.                                          
Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.           
                                                            
The man who channels stands alone.                          
He gives his friends for sacrifice.                         
Two roads before him, one to death beyond dying, one to     
life eternal.                                               
Which will he choose? Which will he choose?                 
What hand shelters? What hand slays?                        
Blood feeds blood.                                          
Blood calls blood.                                          
Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.           
                                                            
Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom.                         
Isam waited in the high passes.                             
The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and  
kill.                                                       


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:03 PM

<note 7 of 22>                                              
One did live, and one did die, but both are.(fulfilled)     
The Time of Change has come.(unfulfilled)                   
Blood feeds blood.                                          
Blood calls blood.                                          
Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.           
                                                            
The Watchers wait on Toman's Head.(fulfilled)               
The seed of the Hammer burns the ancient tree.(fulfilled)   
Death shall sow, and summer burn, before the Great Lord     
comes.                                                      
Death shall reap, and bodies fail, before the Great Lord    
comes.                                                      
Again the seed slays ancient wrong, before the Great Lord   
comes.(unfulfilled)                                         
Now the Great Lord comes.                                   
Now the Great Lord comes.                                   
Blood feeds blood.                                          
Blood calls blood.                                          
Blood is, and blood was, and blood shall ever be.           
Now the Great Lord comes.(unfulfilled)" (Prophecy of the    
Shadow found on the dungeon walls at Fal Dara, as           
translated by Verin Mathwin, Aes Sedai of the Brown Ajah.)  
                                                            
  a. Verin's interpretation of the dark prophecy            
2.25 <TGH, Chapter 7, Blood Calls Blood, pp90-92>           
"'Daughter of the Night, she walks again.' That can only    
mean Lanfear is loose again. Or someone wants us to think   
she is...Other names are clear, too, Mother. Lord Luc, of   
course, was brother to Tigraine, then the Daughter-Heir of  
Andor, and he vanished in the Blight. Who Isam is, or what  
he has to do with Luc, I do not know, however...("Isam had  
been the son of Breyan, wife of Lain Mandragoran, whose     
attempt to seize the throne of Malkier for her husband had  
brought the Trolloc hordes crashing down. Breyan and her    
infant son had both vanished when the Trollocs overran      
Malkier. And Isam had been blood kin to Lan. Or is blood    
kin? I must keep this from him, until I know how he will    
react. Until we are away from the Blight. If he thought     
Isam were alive..[Moiraine's thoughts].") 'The Watcher's    
wait on Toman's Head,'...There are a few who still cling    
to the old belief that the armies Artur Hawkwing sent       
across the Aryth Ocean will return one day, though after    
all this time...The Do Miere A'vron, the Watchers Over the  
Waves, still have a...community is the best word, I         
suppose...on Toman Head, at Falme. And one of the old       
names for Artur Hawkwing was Hammer of the Light...Now,     
'the ancient tree,'...There have always been rumors-no      
more than that-that while the nation of Almoth still        
lived, they had a branch of Avendesora, perhaps even a      
living sapling. and the banner of Almoth was 'blue for the  
sky above, black for the earth below, with the spreading    
Tree of Life to join them.' Of course, Taraboners call      
themselves the Tree of Man, and claim to be descended from  
rulers and nobles in the Age of Legends. And Domani claim   
descent from those who made the Tree of Life in the Age of  
Legends. There are other possibilities, but you will note,  
Mother, that at least three center around Almoth Plain and  
Toman Head...The Time of Change, of course, refers to the   
end of an Age, and the Great Lord-" (quoted from Verin      
Mathwin, Aes Sedai of the Brown Ajah)                       


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 8 of 22>                                              
iv. Prophecy of the Horn of Valere.                         
2.26 <EOW, Chapter 26, Whitebridge, p389>                   
"In the last, lorn fight                                    
'gainst the fall of long night,(unfulfilled)                
the mountains stand guard,                                  
and the dead shall be ward,                                 
for the grave is no bar to my call."(Thom reciting a verse  
from The Great Hunt of the Horn)                            
2.27 <EOW, Chapter 53, The Wheel Turns, p655>               
"There are Darkfriends still, as well as Halfmen and        
Trollocs, and those who come to the horn will follow        
whoever winds it." (Moiraine speaking to Lord Agelmar in    
Fal Dara)                                                   
2.28 <TGH, Chapter 5, The Shadow in Shienar, p55>           
"Agelmar was familiar with the Prophecy of the Horn; most   
who fought the Dark One were. "'Let whosoever sounds me     
think not of glory, but only of salvation.'"(Moiraine       
speaking with Suian)                                        
2.29 <TGH, Chapter 47, The Grave Is No Bar To My Call, p560>
"'The Pattern weaves itself around our necks like           
halters,' Artur Hawkwing said. 'You are here. The banner    
is here. The weave of this moment is set. We have come to   
the Horn, but we must follow the banner. And the            
Dragon.(fulfilled)'" (Artur Hawkwing speaking to Rand       
al'Thor at Falme)                                           
                                                            
     3. Foretellings. Mr. Millard did not place specific    
emphasis on the various Foretellings mentioned in the       
Wheel of Time, however they should be given equal weight    
with Dreaming, Viewings, and Prophecy as predictive of      
future events.                                              
                                                            
ii. Elaida's Foretellings.                                  
3.01 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p514>              
"...From this day Andor marches toward pain and division.   
The Shadow has yet to darken to its blackest, and I cannot  
see if the Light will come after. Where the world has wept  
one tear, it will weep thousands...Pain and division come   
to the whole world, and this man stands at the heart of     
it.(uncertain)"(Elaida's Foretelling of Rand al'Thor in     
Caemlyn)                                                    
3.02 <TSR, Seeds of Shadow, Chapter 1, p29>                 
"The very first thing Elaida had ever Foretold, while       
still an Accepted-and had known enough even then to keep    
to herself-was that the Royal line of Andor would be the    
key to defeating the Dark One in the Last                   
Battle.(uncertain)" (from Elaida do Avriny a'Roihan's,      
(then) Aes Sedai of the Red Ajah, thoughts in Tar Valon.)   
                                                            
ii. Diendre's Foretellings.                                 
3.03 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, p300>                 
"Besides, the Da'shain yet have a part to play, if Deindre  
could only see far enough to say what.(unfulfilled)"<p300>  
"You will carry the...things...to safety, Jonai. Keep       
moving, always keep moving, until you find a place of       
safety, where no once can harm you.(fulfilled)"<p301>       
"Keep the Covenant, Jonai. If the Da'shain lose everything  
else, see they keep the Way of the Leaf. Promise me."<p301> 
"...And remember-keep moving. Keep the Aiel safe."(related  
by Solinda Sedai during the Breaking)<p301>                 


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 9 of 22>                                              
iii. Gitara Moroso's Foretellings.                          
3.04 <TGH, Chapter 8, The Dragon Reborn, p109>              
"He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first   
breath on the slope of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is     
coming! Light help us! Light help the World! He lies in     
the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the      
sun!(fulfilled)" (Foretelling by Gitara Moroso, (then)      
Keeper of the Chronicles)                                   
3.05 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With The Dawn, p392>    
"...disaster would befall her land and her people, perhaps  
the world, unless she went to dwell among the Maidens of    
the Spear, telling no one of her going. She[Tigraine] must  
become a Maiden, and she could not return to her own land   
until the Maidens had gone to Tar Valon.(fulfilled)"        
(related by Tigraine, (then) Daughter-Heir of Andor (also   
known as Shaiel) to Amys, of the Nine Valleys sept of the   
Taardad Aiel, and by Amys to Rand al'Thor)                  
                                                            
     4. Dreams. Between Egwene and Perrin's dreams, we      
discover perhaps more combined then through any other       
prophetic passeges in the entire series. In some ways they  
predict a greater scope of what is to come, but in most     
cases, the dream is fulfilled in  the book it premiere's    
in. Just for reference, the Wise Ones on dreaming; "Almost  
anyone can touch Tel'aran'rhiod, but few can truly enter    
it. Of all the Wise Ones, we four alone can dreamwalk, and  
your Tower has not produced a dreamwalker in nearly five    
hundred years. It is not a thing of the One Power, though   
Aes Sedai believe it is. I cannot channel, nor can Seana,   
yet we dreamwalk as well as Amys or Melaine. Many people    
brush the World of Dreams in their sleep. Because they      
only brush against it, they wake with aches or pains where  
they should have broken bones or mortal hurts. A            
dreamwalker enters the dream fully, therefore her injuries  
are real on waking. For one who is fully in the dream,      
dreamwalker or not, death there is death here. To enter     
the dream too completely, though, is to lose touch with     
the flesh; there is no way back, and the flesh dies. It is  
said that once there were those who could enter the dream   
in the flesh, and no longer be in this world at all. This   
was an evil thing, for they did evil; it must never be      
attempted, even if you believe it possible for you, for     
each time you will lose some  part of what makes you        
human. You must learn to enter Tel'aran'rhiod when you      
wish, to the degree you wish. You must learn to find what   
you need to find and read what you see, to enter the        
dreams of another close by in order to aid healing, to      
recognize those who are in the dream fully enough to harm   
you, to..." (<TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p272>)     
                                                            
i. Egwene's dreams.                                         
4.01 <TGH, Chapter 12, Woven in the Pattern, p180>          
"First there had been a man with a mask over his face, and  
fire in place of his eyes. Despite the mask, she had        
thought he was surprised to see her. His look had           
frightened her till she thought her bones would break from  
shivering, but suddenly he vanished, and she saw Rand       
sleeping on the ground, wrapped in a cloak. A woman had     
been standing over him, looking down. Her face was in       
shadow, but her eyes seemed to shine like the moon, and     


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 10 of 22>                                             
Egwene had known she was evil. Then there was a flash of    
light, and they were gone. Both of them. And behind it      
all, almost like another thing altogether, was the feel of  
danger, as if a trap was just beginning to snap shut on an  
unsuspecting lamb, a trap with many jaws.(fulfilled)"       
(Dream of Egwene al'Vere)                                   
4.02 <TDR, Chapter 25, Questions, pp233-234>                
     Seanchan-"...of Seanchan too, of women in dresses      
with lightning bolts woven on their breasts, collaring a    
long line of women who wore Great Serpent rings, forcing    
them to call lightning against the White                    
Tower...(unfulfilled)"<pp233-234>                           
     Whitecloaks-"...binding her father's                   
hands...(fulfilled)"<p234>                                  
     Rand-"...reaching for a sword that seemed to be made   
of crystal, never seeing the fine net dropping over         
him(fulfilled). And one of him kneeling in a chamber where  
a parched wind blew dust across the floor, and creatures    
like the one on the Dragon banner, but much smaller,        
floated on that wind, and settled into his skin(unknown).   
There had been a dream of him walking down into a great     
hole in a black mountain, a hole filled with a reddish      
glare as from vast fires below(unfulfilled), and even a     
dream of him confronting Seanchan(fulfilled)."<p234>        
     Perrin-"...with a falcon on his shoulder, and...with   
a hawk. Only the hawk held a leash in her talons-...both    
hawk and falcon were female-and the hawk was trying to      
fasten it around Perrin's neck(fulfilled)...with a          
beard!-leading a huge pack of wolves that stretched as far  
as the eye could see...(unfulfilled)"<p234>                 
     Mat-"...placing his own left eye on a balance          
scale(fulfilled)...hanging by his neck from a tree          
limb(fulfilled). There had been a dream of Mat and          
Seanchan, too, but she was willing to dismiss that as a     
nightmare(unfulfilled)...the one about Mat speaking the     
Old Tongue. (fulfillled).."<p234>(Egwene in thought about   
her dreams)                                                 
4.03 <TDR, Chapter 37, Fires in Cairhien, pp352-353>        
     Rand-"...holding a sword that blazed like a sun, till  
she could hardly see that it was a sword, could hardly      
make out that it was him at all(fulfilled)...[Rand]         
threatened in a dozen ways, none of them the least bit      
real(fulfilled)...on a huge stone's board, the black and    
white stones as big as boulder, and him dodging the         
monstrous hands that moved them and seemed to try to crush  
him under them. It could have meant something. It very      
probably did, but beyond the fact that Rand was in danger   
from someone, or two someones-she though that much was      
clear-beyond that, she simply did not                       
know.(fulfilled)"<p352>                                     
     Perrin-"...with a wolf, and with a falcon, and a       
hawk-the falcon and the hawk                                
fighting(fulfilled)-...running from someone                 
deadly(uncertain), and [Perrin] stepping willingly over     
the edge of a towering cliff while saying, "It must be      
done.  I must learn to fly before I reach the bottom        
(unfulfilled)." There had been dream of an Aiel, and she    
though that had to do with Perrin, too, but she was not     
sure.(fulfilled)"<p352>                                     
     Min-"...springing a steel trap but somehow walking     


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<note 11 of 22>                                             
through it without so much as seeing                        
it.(fulfilled)"<pp352-353>                                  
     Mat-"...dice spinning 'round him...being followed by   
a man who was not there-she still did not understand that;  
there was a man following, or maybe more than one, but in   
some way there was no one there-...riding desperately       
toward something unseen in the distance that he had to      
reach, and Mat with a woman who seemed to be tossing        
fireworks about."<p353>                                     
     "Men and women breaking out of a cage, then putting    
on crowns.(fulfilled) A woman playing with puppets, and     
another dream where the strings led to still greater        
puppets, on and on until the last strings vanished into     
unimaginable heights. Kings dying, queens weeping, battles  
raging. Whitecloaks ravaging the Two Rivers.(fulfilled)     
She had even dreamed of the Seanchan again. More than       
once. Those she shut away in a dark corner; she would not   
let herself think of them.(unfulfilled) Her mother and      
father, every night."(Egwene thinking on her dreams w/o     
the stone ter'angreal)                                      
4.04 <TDR, Chapter 48, Following the Craft, pp468-469>      
     Seanchan-"The Seanchan, who she refused to think       
about.(unfulfilled)"                                        
     Master Luhhan-"The Whitecloaks putting Master Luhhan   
in the middle of a huge, toothed trap for bait.(fulfilled)" 
     Perrin-"Why should Perrin have a falcon on his         
shoulder(fulfilled), and what was important about him       
choosing between that axe he wore now and a blacksmith's    
hammer?(unfulfilled)"                                       
     Mat-"...dicing with the Dark One, and why did he keep  
shouting, "I am coming!" and why did she think in the       
dream that he was shouting at her?(fulfilled)"              
     Rand-"...sneaking through utter darkness toward        
Callandor, while all around him six men and five women      
walked, some hunting him and some ignoring him, some        
trying to guide him toward the shining crystal sword and    
some trying to stop him from reaching it, appearing not to  
know where he was, or only to see him in flashes. One of    
the men had eyes of  flame, and he wanted Rand dead with a  
desperation she could nearly taste. She thought she knew    
him. Ba'alzamon(fulfilled)...Rand in that dry, dusty        
chamber again, with those small creatures settling into     
his skin(uncertain). Rand confronting a horde of            
Seanchan(unfulfilled). Rand confronting her, and the women  
with her, and one of them was a Seanchan...(unfulfilled)"   
4.05 <TSR, Chapter 11, What Lies Hidden, p145>              
     Rand-"...as tall as a mountain, walking through        
cities, crushing buildings beneath his feet, with           
screaming people like ants fleeing from him(unfulfilled).   
Rand in chains, and it was he who was                       
screaming(unfulfilled). Rand building a wall with him on    
one side and her on the other, her and Elayne and others    
she could not make out. 'It has to be done,' he was saying  
as he piled up stones. 'I'll not let you stop me            
now.(unfulfilled)'"                                         
     Aiel-"...fighting each other, killing each other,      
even throwing away their weapons and running as if they     
had gone mad.(fulfilled)"                                   
     Mat-"...wrestling with a Seanchan woman who tied an    
invisible leash to him.(unfulfilled)"                       


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From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 12 of 22>                                             
     Perrin-"A wolf-she was sure it was Perrin,             
though-fighting a man whose face kept changing.(fulfilled)" 
     Galad-"...wrapping himself in white as though putting  
on his own shroud.(fulfilled)"                              
     Gawyn-"...eyes full of pain and hatred.(fulfilled)"    
     Marin al'Vere (Egwene's mother)-                       
"...weeping.(uncertain)"(from Egwene's thoughts)            
4.06 <FOH, Chapter 15, What Can Be Learned In Dreams, p214> 
     Rand-"...sitting down in a chair, and somehow she      
knew that the chair's owner would be murderously angry at   
having her chair taken; that the owner was a woman was as   
much as she could pick out of that, and not a thing         
more...(fulfilled)"                                         
     Perrin-"...lounging with Faile on his lap, kissing     
her while she played with the short-cut beard that he wore  
in the dream. Behind them two banners waved, a red wolf's   
head and a crimson eagle.(fulfilled) A man in a bright      
yellow coat stood near to Perrin's shoulder, a sword        
strapped to his back; in some way she knew that he was a    
Tinker, though no Tinker would even touch a                 
sword(fulfilled). And every bit of it except the beard      
seemed important. The banners, Faile kissing Perrin, even   
the Tinker. Every time  he moved closer to Perrin it was    
as if a chill of doom shot through                          
everything.(unfulfilled)"                                   
     Mat-"...throwing dice with blood streaming down his    
face, the wide brim of his hat pulled low so she could not  
see his wound...(unfulfilled)"                              
     Thom-(while mat throws dice) "...put his hand into a   
fire to draw out the small blue stone that now dangled on   
Moiraine's forehead.(unfulfilled)"                          
     "...storm, great dark clouds rolling without wind or   
rain while forked lightning bolts, every one identical,     
rent the earth.(uncertain)"(from Egwene's thoughts while    
speaking with Moiraine)                                     
                                                            
ii. Perrin's dreams.                                        
4.07 <TDR, Chapter 43, Shadowbrothers, pp425-426>           
     Mat-"...rattling a dice cup. His opponent stared at    
Mat with eyes of fire. Mat did not seem to see the          
man...(uncertain)"<p425>                                    
     Egwene and Nynaeve and Elayne-"...stood looking at a   
huge metal cage, with a raised door held on a heavy         
spring. They stepped in and reach up together to loose the  
catch. The barred door snapped down behind                  
them(fulfilled). A woman with her hair all in braids        
laughed at them, and another woman all in white laughed at  
her(fulfilled)." (Perrn Aybara's dreams in Illian)<p426>    
4.08 <TSR, Chapter 28, To the Tower of Ghenjei, pp320-321>  
     Rand-"...stood amid swirling stormwinds, laughing      
wildly, even madly, arms upraised, and on the winds rode    
small shapes, gold-and-scarlet, like the strange figure on  
the Dragon banner(unfulfilled); hidden eyes watched Rand,   
and there was no way of telling whether he knew             
it.(uncertain)" <pp320-321>                                 
     Nynaeve and Elayne-"...stalking cautiously through a   
demented landscape of twisted, shadowed buildings, hunting  
some dangerous beast.(fulfilled)"<p321>                     
     Mat-"...standing where a road forked ahead of him. He  
flipped a coin, started down one branch, and suddenly was   


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<note 13 of 22>                                             
wearing a wide-brimmed hat and walking with a staff         
bearing a short sword blade.(fulfilled)"<p321>              
     Egwene and a woman with long white                     
hair(Amys)-"...staring at him in surprise while behind      
them the White Tower crumbled stone by                      
stone.(uncertain)"<p321>                                    
4.09 <TSR, Chapter 53, The Price of a Departure, p612>      
     Egwene-"...stood among a crowd of women, fear in her   
eyes; slowly the women knelt around her. Nynaeve was one    
of them, and he believed he saw Elayne's red-gold           
hair.(unfulfilled)"                                         
     Mat-"...stood naked and bound, snarling; an odd spear  
with a black shaft had been thrust across his back behind   
his elbows, and a silver medallion, a foxhead, hung on his  
chest.(uncertain)"                                          
     Rand-"Mat vanished, and it was Rand. Perrin thought    
it was Rand. He wore rags and a rough cloak, and a bandage  
covered his eyes.(unfulfilled)"                             
                                                            
iii. Wise One's dreams.                                     
4.10 <TSR, Chapter 12, Tanchico or the Tower, p158>         
"'There is among the Maidens of the Spear in the Stone of   
Tear a willful girl called Aviendha, of the Nine Valleys    
sept of the Taardad Aiel. She must now come to us. There    
can be no more waiting or excuses. We will await her on     
the slopes of Chaendaer, above Rhuidean.(fulfilled)'"(the   
letter from Amys, of the Nine Valleys sept of the Taardad   
Aiel; Bair, of the Haido sept of the Shaarad Aiel;          
Melaine, of the Jhirad sept of the Goshien Aiel; and        
Seana, of the Black Cliff sept of the Nakai Aiel)           
4.11 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p237>                
"Perhaps the Wise Ones really could teach her something of  
Dreaming. That had been the most astounding letter from     
them, not that she could afford to heed most of             
it."(Moiraine's thoughts in the Heart of the Stone)         
4.12 <TSR, Chapter 22, Out of the Stone, p254>              
"We may be about to see how useful Dreaming really          
is.(fulfilled)" (Moiraine's reference to the letter)        
4.13 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p259>              
"I knew you would be here today, shade of my                
heart.(fulfilled)" (Amys, of the Nine Valleys sept of the   
Taardad Aiel to Rhuarc on Chaendaer)                        
4.14 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p260>              
"'That's what you meant about Dreaming...That's why you     
were willing to let Rand try to bring us here by Portal     
Stone. They knew about it, and told you in that letter.     
No, that doesn't make sense. If they had mentioned a        
Portal Stone, you wouldn't have tried talking him out of    
it. They knew we'd be here, though.'...'They wrote that     
they would meet us here, on Chaendaer,                      
today...(fulfilled)'" (Egwene's revelation concerning       
Moiraine's reference to the letter from the four            
dreamwalkers)                                               
4.15 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p264>              
"I(Amys) knew from the dream that if you(Moiraine) came,    
it was almost certain Aan'allein would as well, but I did   
not know he obeyed you.(fulfilled)"(dreams of the Wise      
Ones related by Amys, of the Nine Valleys sept of the       
Taardad Aiel)                                               
4.16 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270>              


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 14 of 22>                                             
"We did not see Egwene or Mat Cauthon at all. It was no     
more than an even chance that the young man who calls       
himself Rand al'Thor would come. If he did not, it was      
certain that he would die, and the Aiel too. Yet he has     
come, and if he survives Rhuidean, some of the Aiel at      
least will survive. This we know. If you had not come, he   
would have died. If Aan'allein had not come, you would      
have died. If you did not go through the                    
rings-(fulfilled)"(Moiraine, Melaine, and Seana in          
conversation on Chaendaer)                                  
4.17 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, p635>                  
"'You are a fool, Rand al'Thor,...About this and many       
other things, you are a fool.'" (Amys speaking to Rand      
after the Lanfear attack)                                   
                                                            
iv.Morin's dreams.                                          
4.18 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Road to the Spear, p290>         
"Eyeing him closely, she asked, 'If someone stole your      
child, would you talk of the Way of the Leaf and suffering  
sent to test us?' He shook his head, and she said, 'I       
thought not, You will make a fine father. Teach me to use   
this spear.'" (Morin speaking to Jeordam)                   
"An odd woman, but pretty." (Jeordam's thoughts)            
"'I saw your face in a dream,...(fulfilled)'" (Morin        
speaking to Jeordam)                                        
                                                            
v. Sorelle's dreams.                                        
4.19 <TSR, Chapter 26, The Dedicated, p295>                 
"...Sorelle at twenty of fever her dreams told her was      
coming,...(fulfilled)"                                      
                                                            
vi. Rand's dreams. (the validity of Rand's dreams as        
prophecy is questionable-he may have the ability to enter   
Tel'aran'rhiod, but so far NONE of his dreams have proven   
prophetic.)                                                 
4.20 <EOW, Chapter 9, Tellings of the Wheel, pp100-104>     
"Rand's heart pounded as he ran,...'We have been waiting    
for you,' the Myrddraal hissed."                            
4.21 <EOW, Chapter 14, The Stag and Lion, pp168-172>        
"The stone hallway was dim and shadowy,...'Will you ever    
wake again?'"                                               
4.22 <EOW, Chapter 19, Shadow's Waiting, pp245-246 (p291    
pb)>                                                        
"He [Rand] had no idea what had awakened him from his       
unpleasant dream. He had been a little boy again, carrying  
Tam's sword and with a cradle strapped to his back,         
running through empty streets, pursued by Mordeth, who      
shouted that he only wanted his hand.  And there had been   
an old man who watched them and cackled with mad laughter   
the whole time."                                            
4.23 <EOW, Chapter 24, Flight Down the Arinelle, pp293-296> 
"Water dripped in the distance,...Ba'alzamon's face. One    
face."                                                      
4.24 <EOW, Chapter 34, The Last Village, pp442-443>         
"He dreamed of Tam. At first they were at the big oak       
table in the house, drinking tea while Tam told him about   
Prince Consorts, and Daughter-Heirs, and the Dragonwall,    
and black-veiled Aielmen. The heron-mark sword lay on the   
table between them, but neither of them looked at it.       
Suddenly he was in the West wood, pulling the makeshift     
litter through the moon-bright night. When he looked over   


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 15 of 22>                                             
his shoulder it was Thom on the litter, not his father,     
sitting cross-legged and juggling in the moonlight./'The    
Queen is wed to the land,' Thom said as brightly colored    
balls danced in a circle, 'but the Dragon...the Dragon is   
one with the land, and the land is one with the             
Dragon.'/Further back Rand saw a Fade coming,...Two         
severed heads hung at its mount's coal-black shoulder. Lan  
and Moiraine, faces distorted in grimaces of pain. The      
Fade pulled on a fistful of tethers as it rode. Each        
tether ran back to the bound wrists of one of those who     
ran behind the soundless hooves, their faces blank with     
despair. Mat and Perrin. And Egwene<442>...'You are mine,'  
the raven said, and the sharp beak stabbed into his eye.    
He screamed as it plucked his eyeball out of his            
head.<443>"(Rand's dream on Almen Bunt's wagon on the way   
to Caemlyn)                                                 
4.25 <EOW, Chapter 40, The Web Tightens, p498>              
"It seemed to Rand that he was sitting at table with        
Logain and Moiraine. The Aes Sedai and the false Dragon     
sat watching him silently as if neither knew the other was  
there. Abruptly he realized the walls of the room were      
becoming indistinct, fading off into gray. A sense of       
urgency built in him. Everything was going, blurring away.  
When he looked back to the table, Moiraine and Logain had   
vanished, and Ba'alzamon sat there instead. Rand's whole    
body vibrated with urgency; it hummed inside his head,      
louder and louder. The hum became the pounding of blood in  
his ears." (when Rand fell off the Caemlyn wall)            
4.26 <EOW, Chapter 43, Decisions and Apparitions, pp549-551>
"He stood staring at the wooden door,...down into           
blackness and death."                                       
4.27 <TSR, Chapter 2, Whirlpools in the Pattern, pp53-54>   
"Through a shadowy forest Moiraine was prodding him with    
a sharp...Festering flesh almost obliterated the heron      
branded on his palm; white bone showed through red-edged    
gaps..." (Rand's dreams in Tear)                            
4.28 <TSR, Chapter 50, Traps, pp571-572>                    
"Eyes, closed, Rand stroked through the water. Nicely       
cool...The woman looked at him, still neck-deep in the      
pond; her mouth tightened with irritation, and she          
vanished."                                                  
4.29 <FOH, Chapter 4, Twilight, p95>                        
"Not protection from his own thoughts, though. Three women  
invaded them continueally. Not Isendre,...Aside from the    
nightmare, they were all pleasant dreams."                  
4.30 <FOH, Chapter 6, Gateways, p112>                       
"...he had been teaching Aviendha how to swim, in a pond    
in the Waterwood back home in the Two Rivers..."(from       
Rand's thoughts in Rhuidean)                                
4.31 <FOH, Chapter 21, The Gift of a Blade, p278>           
"...a confused dream of Min and Elayne helping him throw    
Aviendha, wearing nothing but that necklace over his        
shoulder, while she beat him over the head with a wreath    
of segade blossoms."(after Melaine's weading)               
4.32 <FOH, Chapter 22, Birdcalls by Night, p288>            
"This time he dreamed of Aviendha hurling fire, only she    
was not hurling it at a Draghkar, and Sammael was sitting   
by her side, laughing."(after the "Golden Bees" attack)     
                                                            
     5. Visions. Visions, both Min's and the Aelfinn's,     


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Subject:    PREDICTIONS&THOUGHTS

To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:09 PM

<note 16 of 22>                                             
which are described to occur much like the way Min reads    
auras, are best for long term prophecy of future events.    
No other piece has given us information from the very       
beginning that has yet to be fulfilled unless it is as      
ambiguous as the Karaethon Cycle.                           
                                                            
i. Min's visions.                                           
5.01 <EOW, Chapter 17, Watchers and Hunters, pp181-182      
((pb)pp215-216)>                                            
     group-"When you're all in a group? Sparks swirling     
around you, thousands of them, and a big shadow, darker     
than midnight. Its so strong, I almost wonder why           
everybody can't see it. The sparks are trying to fill the   
shadow, and the shadow is trying to swallow the             
sparks...You are all tied  together in something            
dangerous, but I can't make any more of it."                
     Egwene-"The girl [Egwene]? She's part of it. And the   
gleeman. All of you. You're in love with her...She loves    
you too, but she's not for you, or you for her. Not the     
way you both want...When I look at her [Egwene] I see the   
same as when I look at...Mistress Alys [Moiraine]. Other    
                                                            
things, things I don't understand, too, but I know what     
that means.  She won't refuse it.(fulfilled)"<p181>         
     Lan-"...has seven ruined towers around his head, and   
a babe in a cradle holding a sword, and...(fulfilled)"<p181>
     Thom-"...a man-not him-juggling fire(fulfilled); and   
the White Tower, and that doesn't make any sense at all     
for a man.(uncertain)"<181>                                 
     Perrin-"...a wolf(fulfilled); broken                   
crown(unfulfilled); and trees flowering around              
him(unfulfilled)."<p181>                                    
     Mat-"...a red eagle(fulfilled); an eye on a balance    
scale(fulfilled); a dagger with a ruby(fulfilled); a        
horn(fulfilled); and a laughing face.(unfulfilled)"<p181>   
     Rand-"A sword that isn't a sword(fulfilled), a golden  
crown of laurel leaves(unfulfilled), a beggar's             
staff(unfulfilled), you[Rand] pouring water on              
sand(fulfilled), a bloody hand and a white-hot              
iron(unfulfilled), three women standing over a funeral      
bier with him on it(unfulfilled), black rock wet with       
blood(unfulfilled)-...Most of all, I see lightning around   
you, some striking at you, some coming out of               
you(unknown). I don't know what any of it means, except     
for one thing. You and I will meet again."(Min in           
conversation with Rand in Baerlon)<p181-182>                
5.02 <TGH, Chapter 24, New Friends and Old Enemies, p305>   
     Egwene-"A white flame, and...(unfulfilled)"            
     Elayne-"[Elayne'd] have to share her husband with two  
other women(unfulfilled);...would be a queen...saw a        
crown, and it was the Rose Crown of                         
Andor(unfulfilled)...One of the things she(Min) said she    
saw looking at me was a severed hand. Not mine, she         
says.(unfulfilled)"                                         
5.03 <TGH, Chapter 38, Practice, p462>                      
"She [Elayne] is linked to - to those boys as much as you   
[Nynaeve], or Egwene, or me. She's part of it, Nynaeve,     
whatever it is. Part of the Pattern, I suppose an Aes       
Sedai would say." (Min's viewing of Elayne in Tar Valon,    
as told to Nynaeve and Egwene)                              
5.04 <TGH, Chapter 39, Flight From the White Tower, p472>   


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 17 of 22>                                             
"Egwene, what if, after all you are going through for him,  
Rand doesn't marry you? What if he marries some woman       
you've never seen before, or Elayne, or me? What then?"     
(Min's questions to Egwene, in the Ways between Tar Valon   
and Toman Head)                                             
5.05 <TGH, Chapter 42, Falme, p506>                         
"You know I've read you, Egwene. I don't understand most    
of it-I almost never do-but I see things I am sure link     
you to Rand, and Perrin, and Mat, and-yes, even Galad, the  
Light help you for a fool.."                                
5.06 <TGH, Chapter 43, A Plan, p511>                        
     Nynaeve-"A man's ring of heavy gold floated above      
Nynaeve's head...(unfulfilled)"                             
     Elayne-...and above Elayne's, a red-hot iron and an    
axe.(unfulfilled)"                                          
     Both-"There was danger, but that was to be             
expected-and new things, too, among the images she had      
seen before...[viewing of Nynaeve and Elayne]...They meant  
trouble, she was sure, but it seemed distant, somewhere in  
the future.(unfulfilled)"(Min's viewing at Falme)           
5.07 <TGH, Chapter 48, First Claiming, p568>                
"We're all caught like flies in a spiderweb. What if I      
told her [Egwene] that there's another woman yet to come,   
one she doesn't even know? For that matter, what would you  
think of that, my fine Lord Shepherd? You aren't            
bad-looking at all, but ... Light, I don't even know if I   
am the one you'll choose. I don't know if I want you to     
choose me. Or will you try to dandle all three of us on     
your knee? It may not be your fault, Rand al'Thor, but it   
isn't fair". (Min's statements to Rand al'Thor at Falme)    
5.08 <TDR, Chapter 6, The Hunt Begins, pp62-63>             
     Perrin-"'An Aielman in a cage(fulfilled);...A          
Tuatha'an with a sword(fulfilled). A falcon and a hawk,     
perching on his shoulders. Both female, I think.            
(fulfilled)And all the rest, of course. What is always      
there. Darkness swirling 'round you, and-'..." (Min's       
viewing of Perrin Aybara in Dragon Reborn Camp in the       
Mountains of Mist)                                          
5.09 <TSR, Chapter 1, Seeds of Shadow, pp16-26>             
     Ananda-"Yellow Ajah-wore a sickly brown halo,          
shriveled and split by rotting fissures that fell in and    
widened as they decayed.(fulfilled) <p16>                   
      -Green Ajah-"And on her shoulder, as if nestled       
among the grape vines and flowering apple branches worked   
on her shawl, sat a human skull. A small woman's skull,     
picked clean and sun-bleached.(fulfilled)" <p16>            
      - -(plump pretty woman w/ blue eyes) "...seemed to    
be casting cool blue eyes on the petitioners through        
tattered curtain of blood, crimson streamers running down   
her face.(fulfilled)" <p16-17>                              
     Three Aes Sedai (Ananda and other two)-"All three of   
them! Light! What chance was there that three Aes Sedai     
would die on the same day?(fulfilled)"<p17>                 
      -Accepted-"...bars floated in front of her            
apple-cheeked face, like a cage.(fulfilled)"<p17>           
     Sheriam-"...face battered and                          
bruised.(fulfilled)"<p18>                                   
      -Brown Ajah-"...aura faded like a guttered candle     
flame.(fulfilled)"<p18>                                     
     warders-"...bloody faces, or gaping wounds. Swords     
and spears danced about their heads, threatening...auras    


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Subject:    PREDICTIONS&THOUGHTS

To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 18 of 22>                                             
flashed wildly, flickered on the knife edge of              
death...dead men walking, knew they would die on the same   
day as the Aes Sedai in the entry hall, or at most a day    
later.(fulfilled)"<p18>                                     
     servants-"...bore signs of violence.(fulfilled)"<p18>  
     An Aes Sedai-"...appeared to have chains in the air    
around her...(fulfilled)" <p18>                             
     another-"...seemed for most of those few strides to    
wear a silver collar around her neck."<p18>                 
     Gawyn-"...streaks of dried blood had made his face a   
grim mask...wounded on the day the Aes Sedai died...he was  
going to be hurt more than the blood told, hurt somehow     
deeper than wounds to his flesh(fulfilled)...He scowled,    
and for an instant his face was that bloody mask again.     
More: a sword floated above his head, and a banner waved    
behind it. The long-hilted sword, like those most Warders   
used, had a heron engraved on its slightly curved blade,    
symbol of a blademaster, and Min could not say whether it   
belonged to Gawyn or threatened him.(fulfilled) The banner  
bore Gawyn's sigil of the charging White Boar, but on a     
field of green rather than the red of Andor. Both sword     
and banner faded with the blood.(unfulfilled)"<p19-21>      
     Leane-"...a transparent mask of her own face, a        
screaming mask.(fulfilled)"<p22>                            
     Suian Sanche-"...lying on the floor, naked. Aside      
from her being only in her skin, there was something odd    
about the image, but it vanished before Min could say       
what.(fulfilled)"<p23>(Min's viewings in Tar Valon)         
     Rand-"The first time I ever saw Rand, I saw three      
women's faces, and one of them was mine.  I've never seen   
anything about myself before or since, but I knew what it   
meant.  I was going to fall in love with him. All three of  
us were...The faces were blurred; I don't know who they     
are(unfulfilled)." (Min in conversation with Siuan Sanche,  
(then) Amyrlin of the White Tower former Aes Sedai of the   
Blue Ajah) <p26>                                            
5.10 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p198>                    
     Logain-"...a flaring halo around his head before,      
radiant in gold and blue...a halo that shouted of glory     
and power to come.(unfulfilled)" (Min's viewings of Logain  
in Tar Valon)                                               
5.11 <TSR, Chapter 47, The Truth of a Viewing, p544>        
     Logain-"Suddenly, for a moment, that flaring halo of   
gold and blue shone around his head, speaking of glory to   
come as surely as it had the first time she had seen        
it...(unfulfilled)"                                         
     Gawyn-"...kneeling at Egwene's feet with his head      
bowed, and...breaking Egwene's neck, first one then the     
other, as if either could be the future....Worse, she had   
a feeling near to certainty that it was what she had done   
this day that had turned Gawyn toward those two             
possibilities.(unfulfilled)" (Min's viewing while leaving   
Tar Valon with Siuan Sanche)                                
5.12 <FOH, Chapter 26, Sallie Daera, pp317-320>             
     Sheriam (Blue Ajah)-"Rays of silver blue flashed       
about her fiery hair, and a soft golden                     
light...(unfulfilled)"<p317>                                
     Carlinya (White Ajah)-"...an image of a raven          
floating beside her dark hair; more a drawing of the bird   
than the bird itself. She thought it was a tattoo, but she  


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Subject:    PREDICTIONS&THOUGHTS

To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 19 of 22>                                             
did not know its meaning.(unfulfilled)" <p317>              
     Edesina (Yellow Ajah) -"To Min's eyes, a silvery       
collar suddenly appeared, snug around the woman's neck and  
as suddenly seemed to shatter. Min shivered. She did not    
like veiwings connected to the Seanchan. At least Edesina   
would escape somehow.(unfulfilled)"<p320>(Min's viewings    
in Salidar)                                                 
5.13 <FOH, Chapter 27, Trapped, p343>                       
     Siuan Sanche and Gareth Bryne-"'I had a viewing. An    
aura, and a bull ripping roses from around its              
neck(fulfilled), and...If you(Siuan) want to stay alive,    
you had better stay close to him(Gareth Bryne).' Despite    
the heat, Min shivered. She had only ever had one other     
viewing with an "if" in it, and both had been potentially   
deadly. It was bad enough sometimes knowing what would      
happen; if she started knowing what might...'All I know is  
this. If he stays close to you, you live. If he gets too    
far away, for too long, you are going to die. Both of you.  
I don't know why I should have seen anything about you in   
his aura, but you seemed like part of                       
it.(unfulfilled)'"(Min's viewing in Salidar)                
5.14 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p592>            
     Faolain-"'A nasty woman...You'd think, if there was    
any justice, she would have an unpleasant future ahead of   
her.(unfulfilled)'"(comment on Faolain by Min as the        
Accepted led "Areina" and "Nicola" to be tested)            
5.15 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach and Learn, p598>            
     Marigan, Nicola, and Areina-"Those three you brought   
with you are trouble, and that is a viewing...I only        
caught glimpses of aura, and just out of the corner of my   
eye. Never when I was looking right at them, where I might  
have made something out.(unfulfilled)"(Min in conversation  
with Elayne)                                                
5.16 <FOH, Chapter 50, To Teach, and Learn, pp598-599>      
"'Min, you had a vision about Rand and me, didn't           
you?'(Elayne)...'Yes.' (Min) It was a wary word...'You saw  
that we were going to fall in love.' 'Not exactly. I saw    
you'd fall in love with him. I don't know what he feels     
for you, only that he's tied to you some                    
way.'.<p598>..'And you saw there would be someone else.     
Someone I'd have to...share...him with.' 'Two,' Min said    
hoarsely. 'Two others. And...And I'm one.'...'Who is the    
third?' she asked quietly. 'I don't know,' Min mumbled.     
'Only that she has a temper. Not Nynaeve, thank the         
light...<p599>(unfulfilled)'"(Elayne and Min in             
conversation in Salidar)                                    
                                                            
ii. Aelfinn's visions                                       
  a. Mat's questions and the Eelfinn's answers              
5.17 <TSR, Chapter 15, Into the Doorway, pp176-177>         
"Should I go home to help my people?"<p176>                 
  ans: "You must go to Rhuidean.(fulfilled)"<p176>          
"Why should I?"<p177>                                       
  ans: "If you do not go to Rhuidean...you will             
die."<p177>                                                 
"Why will I die if I do not go to Rhuidean?"<p177>          
  ans: "You will have sidestepped the thread of fate, left  
your fate to drift on the winds of time, and you will be    
killed by those who do not want that fate                   
fulfilled."<p177>                                           


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Subject:    PREDICTIONS&THOUGHTS

To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 20 of 22>                                             
"What fate?"<p177>                                          
  ans: "To marry the Daughter of the Nine                   
Moons!(unfulfilled)...To die and live again, and live once  
more a part of what was!(uncertain)...To give up half the   
light of the world to save the world!(unfulfilled)"<p177>   
  b. What we know of Rand's answers                         
5.18 <TSR, Chapter 8, Hard Heads, p117>                     
"He had spent very nearly his whole life mooning after      
Egwene; he was not about to dive into that again until he   
was sure. Sure of something. Sure. If Dealings with the     
Territory of Mayene was to be believed..."(Rand's thoughts  
while dealing with the High Lords of Tear)                  
5.19 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241>                
"Thom Merrilin had given him good advice; obviously her     
spies had missed some of the notes he had slipped into      
Rand's pockets. But the rest? It was madness. He could not  
have had this for an answer on the other side of that       
ter'angreal. It was not possible, surely." (Moiraine's      
thoughts in the Heart of the Stone)                         
5.20 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p241>                
                                                            
"You do not want to extend Tear's sway all the way to       
Kinslayer's Dagger, Meilan? That is all right. I know who   
I mean to sit on the Sun Throne."(Rand al'Thor speaking in  
the Heart of the Stone)                                     
5.21 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p244>                
"There is a suprise awaiting anyone who tries to channel    
Callandor out of the Stone, Moiraine. Do not think of       
taking it to the Tower for safekeeping; I could not make    
the trap pick and choose. The Power is all it needs to      
spring and reset, ready to trap again. I am not giving      
Callandor up forever. Just until I..."(Rand speaking to     
Moiraine)                                                   
5.22 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245>                
"'Just until' what? He had been intending to say something  
other than 'until I come back.' But what?"(Moiraine's       
thoughts in the Heart of the Stone)                         
5.23 <TSR, Chapter 21, Into the Heart, p245>                
"'Unless...Does this come from your answers in the          
ter'angreal? Cairhien, and Callandor, and Rhuiidean? I      
told  you those answers can be cryptic. You could be        
misunderstanding the, and that could prove fatal. To more   
than you.'"(Moiraine in conversation with Rand)             
5.24 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p274>                      
"They never mentioned Rhuidean to me, Mat."(Rand speaking   
of his Aelfinn answers to Mat.)                             
  c. What we know of Moiraine's answers                     
5.25 <TSR, Chapter 6, Doorways, p95>                        
"No one may step through more than once. Only once. You     
may ask three questions, but you must ask all three and     
hear the answers before you may leave. Frivolous questions  
are punished, it seems, but it also seems what may be       
serious for one can be frivolous coming from another. Most  
importantly, questions touching the Shadow have dire        
consequences...If you asked about the Black Ajah, you       
might be returned dead, or come out a gibbering madwoman,   
if you came out at all. As for Rand...I am not certain it   
is possible to ask a question about the Dragon Reborn that  
does not touch the Shadow in some way."(Moiraine in         
conversation)                                               
5.26 <TSR, Chapter 17, Deceptions, p195>                    


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 21 of 22>                                             
"'A quiet life would kill you[Thom], I think...Tanchico     
will not, however. I guarantee that, and by the First       
Oath, you know it for truth'...'If you go with Elayne and   
Nynaeve, I will tell you the names of those Red sisters     
when I see you next, as well as the name of the one who     
gave them their orders. They did not act on their own. And  
I will see you again. You will survive                      
Tarabon.(unfulfilled)'"(Moiraine in conversation with       
Thom)                                                       
5.27 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p270>              
"'If you do not go through the rings-' She(Melaine) cut     
off as if she had bitten her tongue./Egwene leaned forward  
intently. Moiriane had to enter Rhuidean? But Aes Sedai     
appeared to give no notice, and Seana spoke up quickly to   
cover Melaine's slip./'There is no one set path to the      
future. The Pattern makes the finest lace look coarse       
woven sacking, or tangled string. In Tel'aran'rhiod it is   
possible to see some ways the future may be woven. No more  
than that.'/Moiraine took a sip of wine. 'The Old Tongue    
is often difficult to translate.' Egwene stared at her.     
The Old Tongue? What about the rings, the ter'angreal? But  
Moiraine went blithely on...(fulfilled)" (Moiraine,         
Melaine, and Seana in conversation on Chaendaer)            
5.28 <TSR, Chapter 23, Beyond the Stone, p271>              
"When we saw you go to the rings, each time it was you who  
brought up going, who demanded the right though you have    
none of the blood."(Moiraine, Melaine, and Seana in         
conversation on Chaendaer)                                  
                                                            
     6. Ter'angreal used by the Wise Ones in Rhuidean.      
Unlike the ter'angreal for the accepted in Tar Valon, the   
rings in Rhuidean used by the Aiel to be elivated to Wise   
Ones is known to prophecize certain inevitable future       
events. The reason for including the evidence of what       
happened in the rings is best supported by Amys's           
description of the ter'angreal, "'In Rhuidean,...you will   
find three rings, arranged so...Step through any one. You   
will see your future laid before you, again and again, in   
variation. They will not guide you wholly, as is best, for  
they will fade together as do stories heard long ago, yet   
you will remember enough to know some things that must be,  
for you, despised as they may be, and some that must not,   
cherished hopes that they are..."(<TSR, Chapter 23,         
Beyond the Stone, p266>)                                    
                                                            
i. Aviendha.                                                
6.01 <TSR, Chapter 34, He Who Comes With the Dawn, p395>    
"When she [Aviendha] saw him [Rand], she froze, and there   
was nothing cool in her blue-green eyes.  Her gaze made     
the sun seem cold; he should have been burned to ash on     
the spot." (Aviendha returns from Rhuidean, having seen a   
portion of her future)                                      
6.02 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p403>                 
"I do not like him [Rand]!" Aviendha burst out.  "I hate    
him!  Hate him!" Had Egwene not known better, she would     
have thought her close to tears." (Aviendha's conversation  
with the Wise Ones, following her return from Rhuidean)     
6.03 <TSR, Chapter 48, An Offer Refused, p 547>             
"Our ways shock her [Elayne].  She could not accept them.   
Why should I care if she can?  I want no part of this!  It  


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    06/17
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    12:14 PM

<note 22 of 22>                                             
cannot be!" (Aviendha to Rand al'Thor)                      
6.04 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p132>                    
"Naked but for that ivory bracelet, and that seeming to     
drag at her as if it weighed a hundred pounds, Aviendha     
had been running as hard as she could across a cracked      
clay flat. And behind her, Rand came, a giant twice the     
size of an Ogier on a huge Jeade'en, slowly but inexorably  
catching up." (Egwene's recollection of Aviendha's dream)   
                                                            
ii. Moiraine.                                               
6.05 <TSR, Chapter 35, Sharp Lessons, p404>                 
"The memories fade...Most are already gone. Some, I knew    
already. Others...The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and  
we are only the thread of the Pattern. I have given my      
life to finding the Dragon Reborn, finding Rand, and        
seeing him ready to face the Last Battle. I will see that   
done, whatever it requires. Nothing and no one can be more  
important than that.(uncertain)"                            
6.06 <FOH, Chapter 7, A Departure, p135>                    
"'...I will do everything short of sharing his bed to see   
that he gets it.' The rings had told her that that would    
be disaster. Not that she had ever considered it-the very   
idea still shocked her!-but in the rings it was something   
she would or could have considered in the future. It was a  
measure of her growing desperation, no doubt, and in the    
rings she had seen that it would bring ruination on         
everything. She wished she could remember how-there were    
keys to Rand al'Thor in anything she could learn about      
him-but only the simple fact of calamity remained in her    
mind."                                                      
6.07 <FOH, Chapter 53, Fading Words, pp637-638>             
"Since the first day I reached Rhuidean, I have             
known(fulfilled)...I hope that Egwene and Aviendha have     
survived unharmed. You see, I do not know what happens in   
the world after, except perhaps for one small thing which   
does not concern you(uncertain)<p637>...You will do         
well.<p638>"(Moiraine's letter to Rand)                     
                                                            
     7. Eelfinn. Though not strictly speaking prophecy,     
the Eelfinn wish granting can be assumed to have major      
repercussions in future novels.                             
                                                            
7.01 <TSR, Chapter 24, Rhuidean, p281-282>                  
"I walk around with holes in my memory, holes in my life,   
and you stare at me like idiots.  If I had my way, I would  
want those holes filled..."  "Well, I want a way to be      
free of Aes Sedai and the Power, and I want to be away      
from you and back to Rhuidean, if you will not answer me."  
(Mat's wishes presumabely granted by the Eelfinn in the     
redstone Ter'angreal while at Rhuidean)                     
7.02 <TSR, Chapter 25, The Dedicated, p307>                 
"Thus is our treaty written, thus is agreement made.        
Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was  
asked is given.  The price is paid."                        


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/02
From:   BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Time:     6:12 PM

Carolyn,   No offense, but don't you have anything better to
do than type all this out?                                  
                             Sincerely,  Jay                


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To:     BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Date:    07/03
From:   UVCB78A    MARK PRYBYLA          Time:     0:59 AM

I admire you for your honesty,Jay,but I appreciate her      
efforts for all of us.Some of the things I have downloaded  
from her have proved to be very interesting as well as      
helpful.She's a true WOT fan.                               
                                     Lews                   


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To:     BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Date:    07/06
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     0:56 AM

Jay, no offense, but don't you have anything better to do   
than ask me? I borrowed most of the stuff from compilations 
done by other people. The rest was found when I reread TSR  
and while my friend reread the series. It wasn't very hard  
and didn't take that long to make. Besides, if I'm here to  
discuss wot and I'm semi in charge of Jordan's fan club,    
shouldn't I know what I'm talking about? Shouldn't I be >>> 
interested in going indepth? And I've been here for three   
years. Don't you think that Is Jaim alive? and who is Rand's
brother? get's pretty d*mn boreing the thousandth time I've 
seen it?  There are some of us who like to go beyond the    
first obvious questions and give Jordan's works the credit  
they are worth. Someone on Internet has CREATED a Dark One  
Dictionary that's 40 something K. Hey, I'm not as bad as it 
gets.  Moiraine                                             
Besides if you think I do all of these listings and etc,    
you're wrong.                                               


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To:     BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Date:    07/07
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    11:09 AM

Jay, also, I think I misunderstood you. You think that I    
write these all up on-line from a printed copy? No way. I   
have everything in a text file and I've figured out that    
Prodigy's messages are roughly sixty character's wide and   
sixty one-sixty two lines long. I have adapted all of the   
files I want to be uploadable into this format heading      
each "note" with a <note 1 of x> so that I know how much    
to copy to the clip board. I have Prodigy for Windows, so   
what I do is cut and paste things onto the bulletin board.  
It doesn't take me more than 20-30 minutes of Plus time to  
post everything I have in files. Also, I archive all of our 
conversations here in WoT. So, what I do is every week or   
so, export everything in this subject and then reply to     
the notes as I'm reading all in a text editor while I'm     
off-line. Then get on Prodigy again and paste my replies    
where I want them. For the past two or three months, I      
haven't gone over my two hour alotment and ever since I've  
started exporting, I've never gone over four hours. I save  
money this way! You should think of doing it. Moiraine      
Sorry to have jumped on your back before. I was a little    
offended.                                                   


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To:     UVCB78A    MARK PRYBYLA          Date:    07/07
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:    11:09 AM

Lews, thanks for the support. I was beginning to think      
that everyone just ignored all of my directional notes.     
There's some new stuff in Export this that I typed out      
from previous issue of The Chronicles. On the first issue,  
I didn't have a laser printer, so I got someone else to     
type out and print up the guide to WoT. Thus, I didn't      
have the info in a file. So, Egwene's summary of Eye of     
the World is available in the Export this subject now.      
Moiraine                                                    


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/08
From:   CPWW74B    WILLIAM FARMER        Time:     3:04 AM

 I'm no dimwit. The reason I've not asked yet is because I'm
not on 5 yet, and hate to know it yet.                      
                                                            
                                Loial                       
                                (Deeply offended)           


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To:     CPWW74B    WILLIAM FARMER        Date:    07/08
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     9:27 AM

I meant dimwit affectionately. I'm a trifle annoyed that    
everyone seems to ignore me. If you took it the wrong way, I
will break our rules for once and say I'm sorry. You must   
understand that for everyone's protection we devised a rule 
that under no circumstances may anyone in this club write   
anything that is meant to be offensive. The reason being    
because there was a bunch of misunderstandings about a year 
or so ago which lead to the infamous apoligy board. Our     
members found the whole thing so rediculous that we promised
eachother never to say the S word again (s o r r y). This   
means that if we find something on the board personally     
offensive, take a second and try to find another way of     
looking at it. I assure that I think that absolutely no one 
on the Robert Jordan board is really a dimwit. I hang out   
here for the intelligent conversations that do occur much   
more often then anywhere else I've been. Again, if I        
offended you, I assure that it was not intended to offend.  
Please remember that always...Moiraine                      


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/10
From:   GSFN34A    GERARD FILICKO        Time:     1:27 AM

Aaaaaeeeeiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Not the S* word!!!!       
                                                            
                                                            
Oh wait....you said "Sorry". I thought you said "socialism".
                                                            
                                           --Machin Shin--  


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To:     GSFN34A    GERARD FILICKO        Date:    07/10
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     9:11 AM

Aaaaaieeeeeeee!  The "s" word!!!!                           
                                                            
 Machin, you really know better than that!  Moiraine        


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To:                ALL                   Date:    06/21
From:   FHSV34C    STEPHANIE CAIN        Time:     2:57 PM

What if we look at the motives for killing Asmodean?        
Someone didn't want Rand learning about his powers, but     
Lanfear always said she wanted him to learn so they could   
rule together.  After falling into the Ter'angreal, even if 
she got back, would she really want Asmodean dead?          
(Regrettable - I liked him.)                                
And what about Lan and Nynaeve?  Moiraine's an interesting >
lady, but would she really be kind enough to give Lan to    
Nynaeve after she died?  Especially since Nynaeve seems only
to want to destroy Moiraine...                              
I'm lost on the Tigraine/Shaiel thing, though.  I guess I'm 
really behind on some things...Anyone care to explain?      
Has anyone noticed how close the names Ilyena and Elayne    
sound?  Is this foreshadowing?  Lews married Ilyena - will  
Rand marry Elayne???                                        
Just some thoughts, but let me know what you think.         
                                                            
                          Birgitte                          


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To:     FHSV34C    STEPHANIE CAIN        Date:    06/21
From:   HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Time:     5:59 PM

I'm not sure about motives for killing Asmodean. As for     
Moiraine, she's not as  severe as she seems. She WANTS      
Nynaeve and Lan to be together, though she knows Nynaeve is 
set against her. Remember, Nynaeve hates  her for doing     
something she had to do to save the world, bring the Two    
Rivers people into the fight, so it's really an unfounded   
hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if Nynaeve becomes a Blue,> 
and becomes very much like Moiraine.                        
Ok, Tigraine/Shaiel: in the first few books, Tigraine was   
listed in the glossary. She was the Daughter-heir of Andor, 
and married Taringail Damodred, bearing a son, Galad. Then  
her brother Luc disappeared, and so did she, into the Waste 
a few years before the Aiel War. Shaiel appeared in the     
Waste a few years before the war, too, and asked to become a
Far Dareis Mai. She said she regretted leaving her husband  
and baby son on the other side of the Spine. Near the start 
of the Aiel War, she and a clan chief fell in love, and     
during the war she got pregnant and  kept fighting, all the>
way to Dragonmount, where she gave birth to Rand and died.  
Her Aiel husband (if they actually married, I forgot) led a 
squad into the Blight, and in one battle he was given a     
fatal wound. He returned to his squad and said the man who  
killed him looked like Shaiel. If Shaiel IS Tigraine, then  
the man who killed Rand's father was Luc, since, being      
brother and sister, they should have a family resemblance.  
And Luc has turned evil through merging with Isem, if that's
what he did. So it all makes sense.                         
                                                            
As for Elayne/Ilyana, yeah I too noticed. The Wheel weaves->
in  mysterious ways <G>. Rand will probably marry Elayne.   
And Aviendha. And Min. Min knows she has to share Rand,  as 
 does Elayne, and among Aviendha's people, it's acceptable  
for a man to have more than one wife, and since they're all 
friends, they'll probably live with it. Rand will be a very 
tired husband, though <VBG>                                 
                                                            
                 Juilin Sandar                              


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To:     HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Date:    06/21
From:   XBFD75C    TOBIAS BURMEISTER     Time:    10:30 PM

Nynaeve's dislike for Moi probably has more to do with Lan  
than the Two Rivers folk.                                   
I think the Battle Ajah is the only one suitible for a woman
comitted to marrying the king of Malkier.                   
                                         Gawyn              


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To:     FHSV34C    STEPHANIE CAIN        Date:    06/22
From:   ECPN23A    TIMOTHY MARTIN        Time:     9:21 PM

     For some reason, I have always hoped that Rand would   
marry (or choose, if he is never able to marry) Min.  Out of
the three, I like her the best.  I don't suppose anyone out 
there has discovered some hint as to which of the three will
get him (if any of them do)?                                
                                                            
                        - Galad                             


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To:     ECPN23A    TIMOTHY MARTIN        Date:    06/23
From:   XFTC37B    OREN LASKIN           Time:     6:08 PM

If I had to take a geuss it would be Elayne.  Elayne looks  
like Ilyena, will make Rand her warder, and Min siad she    
will share her husband with two others.  An affair could    
kind of hurt the prestige of a royal family.<G>             


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To:     ECPN23A    TIMOTHY MARTIN        Date:    06/24
From:   CPAP18B    JAMES MOCK JR         Time:     4:34 PM

 As for who Rand marries, I don't know. But if you noticed  
all three SHARE him.                                        


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To:     CPAP18B    JAMES MOCK JR         Date:    06/24
From:   ECPN23A    TIMOTHY MARTIN        Time:     9:51 PM

     I had hoped that the "sharing" would end after Tarmon  
Gaidon (if he survives).  Oh well-- just my romantic side   
getting the better of me <g>. Nothing indicates this would  
happen except the wishful thinking of Elayne and Min (Av    
seems determined to deliver Rand safely to Elayne).         
                                                            
                        - Galad                             


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To:     CPAP18B    JAMES MOCK JR         Date:    06/25
From:   UGMK15A    J MICHAEL WEST        Time:    10:28 AM

  How can all three share him?  Lets say Rand is to prudish 
to have three wives. (Or maybe to smart? Ha Ha).  Scenario: 
                                                            
3 to share Rand:  1. Elayne Bonds him as warder.            
                  2. Min marries Rand.                      
                  3. Aviendha and Rand have child.  There   
was some indication this might already be started. >>>      
When Wise Women & Avi were talking in Cairhein about Avi's  
success with Rand might be better than thought, they quickly
stopped talking when Rand was around - flimsy, but possible 
support.                                                    
                                                            
                                                            
                                         MIKE               


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To:     FHSV34C    STEPHANIE CAIN        Date:    06/25
From:   UHMH64A    TROY RACKHAM          Time:     7:27 PM

Birgitte,                                                   
                                                            
If you are confused, than I am utterly lost! What I would   
like someone to explain is the whole thing that happened in 
the ter'angreal in Rhuidean? I got the basics, but it still 
really confused me.                                         


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To:     HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Date:    06/25
From:   UHMH64A    TROY RACKHAM          Time:     7:32 PM

Wait a minute, how can you make the assumption that Shaiel  
and Tigraine are the same person? I'm confused. Would that  
make Rand and Elayne related somehow? Is this going to turn 
out to be another dissapointing situation like in Return of 
the Jedi?                                                   
                                                            
                                            Ben             


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To:     UHMH64A    TROY RACKHAM          Date:    06/25
From:   HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Time:    10:53 PM

Easy to make the assumption: all the facts fit together.    
Tigraine disappeared into the Waste shortly before the Aiel 
War. Shaiel was found in the Waste shortly before the Aiel  
War. Tigraine was married to Taringail and had baby son     
Galad. Shaiel regretted leaving her husband and baby behind.
Tigraine's brother, Luc, disappeared into the Blight, and we
have seen his return, evil. Rand's dad said he was killed-> 
by a man in the Blight that  looked like Shaiel. Family     
resemblance. But don't worry! Elayne and Rand aren't        
related. Rand and Galad are. They shared the same mother.   
Elayne's dad is Galad's dad, so they're related as well.    
Elayne and Rand have no parent in common, but technically   
Rand should have some sort of Andoran title of nobility in  
addition to all his other titles he's accumulated, because  
his mom was once the Daughter-Heir of Andor. Everything fits
together, if you just look. It's the Wheel's way of weaving 
the Patterns of all these people together <G>               
                            -Juilin-                        


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To:     HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Date:    06/25
From:   CSXW80A    RONALD ROOF JR        Time:    11:34 PM

Nicely said Juilin.                                         
                                                            
                                          Rogosh            


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To:     UHMH64A    TROY RACKHAM          Date:    06/27
From:   HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Time:     1:12 AM

However, I could be completely  wrong, and in the next      
couple books Jordan could throw in some twists, so we'll see
that Rand and Elayne ARE siblings, ala Return of the Jedi.  
And we'll also see that Ishamael is really Rand's father    
<VBG>                                                       
                       -Juilin-                             


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To:     HVSH31C    KEITH HOLVEN          Date:    06/28
From:   ECPN23A    TIMOTHY MARTIN        Time:     2:22 PM

<VBG>                                                       
                       - Galad                              


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To:                ALL                   Date:    06/23
From:   XFTC37B    OREN LASKIN           Time:     6:08 PM

If Rand hit Lanfear or Ishmael with the strongest balefire  
by combining with women with the the great sa'angreal could 
he change the pattern so that the DO was never freed in the 
Age of Legends?                                             


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To:     XFTC37B    OREN LASKIN           Date:    07/08
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     9:05 PM

More than likely they'd just destroy the Pattern and that   
would be the end. THE end. Not just an ending. When         
Moiraine warns Rand not to use Balefire, she says           
something to this effect. I think she mentions it when      
Rand kills the Dark Hounds that try to kill mat at the      
beginning of FOH. I don't have FOH right now so I cannot    
be more specific. Moiraine                                  


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/09
From:   GSFN34D    ANDREA LEISTRA        Time:     1:02 AM

That would create such huge paradoxes...I don't like it,    
largely because it would mean nothing in any of the books   
ever happened.  Rand & co. would cease to exist if he did   
that (if such an huge channeling is even POSSIBLE) because  
of the immense change.  I doubt the Pattern could handle    
such a strain, such a key thread being ripped out so far    
back.  It would fall apart like a tapestry that had threads>
torn out from the middle, threads that connected to         
countless others and were involved in key connections.  That
is the analogy that is used for the Pattern throughout the  
series; applying it here makes it seem unlikely that such a 
massive use of balefire would be the ending.  In addition,  
from a purely aesthetic viewpoint, it seems like a collasal 
copout; that nothing ever really happened because it was all
undone.  No Last Battle or anything.                        
                                                            
                                        aviendha            


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To:     GSFN34D    ANDREA LEISTRA        Date:    07/09
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     7:45 AM

I really do begin to appreciate your Rand's prison idea. Did
you read my analysis? I included it and gave a decently     
detailed report for it, considering I had been working on   
the bloody thing all day and was extremely tired when I     
finally finished it...Moiraine                              


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To:     GSFN34D    ANDREA LEISTRA        Date:    07/10
From:   GSFN34A    GERARD FILICKO        Time:     1:27 AM

Add to that paradox our understanding of the Dark One's     
prison (i.e., he's imprisoned by the Wheel of Time which    
weaves the Pattern but is also somehow woven back *into* the
Pattern). Therefore, destroying the Pattern would destroy   
the Wheel which would free the DO.                          
                                                            
                                       --Machin Shin--      


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/10
From:   GSFN34D    ANDREA LEISTRA        Time:     2:43 AM

Yep, I read it.  I did download both files, too...didn't    
download the prophecies, though, since I do get the Chrons. 
Thanks...oh, btw, do we need to send you more $ for the     
Chrons?                                                     
                                                            
                                               avi          


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To:     GSFN34D    ANDREA LEISTRA        Date:    07/10
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     9:18 AM

I just updated my books and I've decided that your          
subscription is up as of the August issue. I'll send you a  
little note saying that, don't worry. (really, you've been  
riding on my generosity for a couple of newsletter, but I   
figured that all of those who were the originals to         
subscribe deserved many freebies and my thanks!) But, the   
file in Pred&Thts is an updated version of TC. I've even >> 
updated it since I've uploaded it since I have found some   
more dreams of Rands! Stupid man, he's had more dreams than 
anyone else combined. To bad their all non prophetic!       
Moiraine                                                    


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To:     GSFN34A    GERARD FILICKO        Date:    07/10
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     9:18 AM

But what good would his freedom be if the universe were     
destroyed? REALLY.  Moiraine                                


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To:     BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Date:    07/10
From:   GSFN34A    GERARD FILICKO        Time:    11:23 PM

There are all sorts of avenues left open to "evil deities"  
in fantasy once their universe is destroyed. Most notably,  
I'll refer you to Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone     
series. The primary goal of the Lords of Chaos (the         
controlling evil entities) was to destroy the universe (at  
the end of a millenium) in order to recreate it under their 
own fashion. They succeeded quite well.         --Machin    


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To:                ALL                   Date:    07/02
From:   BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Time:     6:19 PM

    In the next book, Lord of Chaos, does anyone think Rand 
will start kick some Red Ajah butt? They no longer have a   
reason for existing now that Rand has claimed all men who   
can channel.                                                
    Another thought, how will Rand keep from going crazy? I 
think he will get the two great sa'angreal, get Nynaeve (the
strongest woman) and together they will somehow cleanse     
Saidin. Rand made a comment about this somewhere in Fires of
Heaven. He was wondering if there was some possibility of   
shielding or cleansing Saidin.                              
                               Any comments????             
                               Jay                          


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To:     BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Date:    07/03
From:   UVCB78A    MARK PRYBYLA          Time:     0:59 AM

It seems to be a good possibility that the taint will be    
healed.If the Eye of the World was created by tapping       
through the taint and the Aes Sedai back then were able to  
get some of the pure saidin,then that shows that it must be 
possible still.There must be some flaws to the DO's taint,in
order for that to happen.Also,if the DO has the ability to  
taint saidin,then most likely there is a way to cleanse it. 
The only thing is,though,I have thought all along (and also 
because of some of RJ's comments) that there is going to be 
some twist to all of this.I think he has some ultimate      
scheme worked out that will be much different at the end of 
the series than the "happily ever after" endings we see in  
most series' endings.Everything right now seems to fall     
right into Rands hands,not easily,but still a little too    
easy.Somehow I think that RJ is "lulling" us into a false   
sense of security and that he is going to "drop the hammer" 
sometime soon and that Rand is going to find things much    
tougher than we realize (or Rand realizes).I think that     
the ending is going to be something that none of us expect. 
And I kind of hope that is how it will be because the series
is already different from any I personally have read and to 
have a different ending than most would surely make this    
series stick out in my mind even more than it already does. 
I think we are going to have a bittersweet ending.But,I     
certainly am not RJ,and I certainly don't know.(But I'd like
 to.....)                                                   
                                                            
                              Lews Therin                   


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To:     UVCB78A    MARK PRYBYLA          Date:    07/03
From:   CSXW80A    RONALD ROOF JR        Time:     1:38 AM

Interesting note, the eye of the world was made with        
thirteen of the weakest male channelers.  I think the words 
were "just barely trained" or something like that.          
  Anyways on to the Red Ajah.  There has been questions     
about what the different ajahs did before the breaking.  I  
believe that with a lost of power athey had to divide their 
responsiblities.  The red on the other hand started         
something entirly new.  Why?                                
    Well, We know there were Aei Sedai that went to the dark
side during the war of the Shadow.  Therefore the begining  
of the Black Ajah.  Now, the Dark one also knows that as the
first Dragon dies, it will be the second dragon that defeats
him again.  So, who better to look for that next Dragon than
Aei Sedai, and who better to deal with him than an Ajah     
who's purpose is to hunt down men that can channel.         
Therefore I believe the Red Ajah was started and is still   
almost entirely Black Ajah.  I'm sure there are member of   
the Red Ajah that are not Black Ajah, such as Elaida whom   
I believe is truely afraid of men that can channel.         
   Well, can't think of anything else to say <G>.           
                                                            
                         Rogosh Eagle-eye                   


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To:     CSXW80A    RONALD ROOF JR        Date:    07/03
From:   BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Time:     2:51 PM

Ronald,   I also doubt that Elaida is black ajah. Her Keeper
of the Chronicles is black ajah and is trying to undermine  
Elaida.                                                     
   I personally think that Rand should gather all red ajah  
together, give them the opportunity to pick another color or
be permanently stilled. He must learn to be hard and deal   
with his enemies harshly. (Aiel philosophy)    ---->>>      
   If Rand had the Great sa'angreal, the statuette, could a 
circle of thirteen manage to shield him. They refer to the  
process as being ALMOST impossible to overcome by a male    
channeler. The word 'almost' would indicate that a very     
strong individual with the ultimate sa'angreal could        
overcome the circle. Any comments?????                      
                                  Sincerely,   Jay          


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To:     CSXW80A    RONALD ROOF JR        Date:    07/08
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     8:57 PM

>Interesting note, the eye of the world was made with       
>thirteen of the weakest male channelers.  I think the words
>were "just barely trained" or something like that.         
Oh, contraro, Rogosh. The Eye of the World was made with a  
hundred women and men working in unison and all gave their  
lives in the effort.                                        
<EOW, Chapter , Meetings at the Eye, (p744)>                
"It was the first days of the Breaking of the World, when   
the joy of victory over the Dark One turned bitter with     
the knowledge that all might yet be shattered by the        
weight of the Shadow. A hundred of them made it, men and    
women together. The greatest Aes Sedai works were always    
done so, joining _saidin_ and _saidar,_ as the True Source  
is joined. They died, all, to make it pure, while the       
world was torn around them. Knowing they would die, they    
charged me to guard it against the need to come. It was     
not what I was made for, but all was breaking apart, and    
they were alone, and I was all they had. It was not what I  
was made for, but I have kept the faith."                   
Of course, now we know that it was NOT in the first days    
after the defeat of the Dark One, though perhaps it WAS in  
the first days of the Breaking. Coulin was sixteen when     
the Dark One was resealed into Shayol Ghul and it must      
have been over sixty three years after that that the Eye    
of the World was made and when the Stone was created and    
Callandor put in place. Because Jonai was sixty three when  
he left the Hall of Servants and Paaren Disen (Paradise).   
It's my theory that where Shayol Ghul and the Blight now    
lies is where Collam Daan once lay beneath the Sharom, but  
that's only a guess. Moiraine                               


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To:     BPHX44A    JAY HAFELE            Date:    07/09
From:   CPWW74B    WILLIAM FARMER        Time:     1:51 AM

Maybe some ancient Aes Sedai (Male) hid off in Shara during 
the aftermath of the breaking. Finds Rand. Teaches Him.     
                                                            
                               William                      


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To:                ALL                   Date:    07/08
From:   BJRK57C    CAROLYN FUSINATO      Time:     8:57 PM

Kieth Holven wrote the following on 6/21 5:59 PM ET         
>I'm not sure about motives for killing Asmodean. As for    
>Moiraine, she's not as  severe as she seems. She WANTS     
>Nynaeve and Lan to be together, though she knows Nynaeve   
>is set against her. Remember, Nynaeve hates  her for doing 
>something she had to do to save the world, bring the Two   
>Rivers people into the fight, so it's really an unfounded  
>hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if Nynaeve becomes a Blue, 
>and becomes very much like Moiraine.                       
I love you! Do you know that? I mean, that's exactly what   
I think about Moiraine's character and suprisingly that's   
exactly what I think about Nynaeve. I think that they are   
much more alike than Nynaeve is willing to admit to and     
I've often thought that it would be extremely ironic if     
she chose Blue Ajah and continue Moiraine's fight against   
the Dark One w/ Lan at her side (when Myrelle passes him    
on to her). I thought it would be ironic, that doesn't      
mean that it will necessarily happen, or even that I put    
too much stock in it happening. I just believe that         
Nynaeve and Moiraine are much more similar then Egwene and  
Moiraine. To add to that list, I think Moghedian's right in 
there w/ them which explains why Nynaeve took such a        
liking to her specifically. I think Moghedian is A-(loaned  
out my FOH book)(she's the one who dresses like             
Birgitte-also ironic).                                      
As for Elayne possibly being Ilyena reborn. I'm not sure    
that Ilyena could channel. I've raised this point when      
someone tried to place a timeperiod on when Lews must have  
broken up w/ Lanfear by and have married Ilyena. The War    
of the Shadow lasted for three generations. From when       
Charn was probably in his twenties to when his grandson,    
Coumin was sixteen and it was announced that the Forsaken   
had been bound w/ the Dark One in Shayol Ghul. At the       
least, the War of the Shadow must have lasted sixty years   
(nothing near the ten years that Lews cited in EOW)         
Therefore, it is altogether possible that Ilyena was born   
at the beginning of the War of the Shadow had Lews's        
children mid war and had grown to mid age by the end of     
the War, if she was unable to channel. Consider this also.  
For Lews to have died when he did, that meant that the War  
was over and the Forsaken already bound. As a matter of     
fact, it could have been any number of years AFTER the War  
that Lews actually went mad and killed everyone who was     
close to him. Also, Lews was middle aged looking when he    
died, and Moghedien was two hundred years old when she is   
imprissoned and considered still young for an Aes Sedai.    
Thus, Lews could have been over four hundred centuries      
years old when he died. Consider the number of relatives    
he could have had by then if Ilyena was able to channel     
and had been a part of his life for a couple of centuries.  
I imagine that they only spent a small portion of Lews's    
life together and that he only had a handful of kids when   
he went mad and did the act that named him Kinslayer.       
Thus, I don't think that Ilyena could channel.              
Additionally, she didn't save her children or anything      
which she might have been able to do should she have been   
able to channel. I imagine that she would have protected    
her children, at least, if she had the opportunity to do    
so. Clearly she didn't.                                     


