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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      06/07/91 00:28  Msg:6172 Call:35422 Lines:3
 20 When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains,
 21 however improbable, must be the truth.  -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 22 *****************************************************************
003=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp  06/07/91 05:35  Msg:6173 Call:35425 Lines:6
 23 WORLD WATHC THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
 24 Yowza!  At the top!  er, what do I do now?  Well, I guess a big hello to all 
 25 fully evolved life forms out there, and to all the semi-evolved the secret is 
 26 to keep banging those rocks together...
 27 Phoenix just ramb'lin on...
 28 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>POP!
004=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/07/91 09:12  Msg:6175 Call:35429 Lines:26
 29 &*&*&*&*'s
 30 Personally I'm a wee bit tired of seeing the research and evaluation department
 31@getting put down here all the time.  Reminds me to much of the old story about
 32@the fate off all messangers of bad news.  Evaluation exists as a method 
 33@independent of both curiculam and teachers
 34  
 35 put down all the time here.  Yes, we do have a good deal of computing resources
 36 , but we got them by being very frugal in our purchasing.  As I said on the
 37 last disk, we stopped buying IBM as soon as there was an alternative (And I 
 38 might add that it took some work to get this approved.)  These clones were
 39 of better quality, and as much as 1/3 the price of actuall IBM's.  This 
 40 practice of maximizing our resources with the funds alloted.  We use almost
 41 all of the power we have.  We have 4 near secretaries(They do many different
 42 things, only two qualify as normal secretaries.)  in a department of around
 43 25 people.  That ain't a high ration.  We can do this because we make good
 44 use of our resources.  
 45  
 46 It is very annoying to be constantly flamed when you know you are working
 47 your a*s off, doing your best to get the best value for the dollar, and t
 48 o make all the work you do meaningfull and usefull to the district as a 
 49 whole.  I've been working with these people for going on three years now,
 50 and it really hurts to see them put down all the time.
 51  
 52 An Astral Dreamer
 53 &*&*&*&*'s
 54  
005=Usr:549 alan kennedy      06/08/91 19:47  Msg:6176 Call:35449 Lines:4
 55 Oh Black water!!  The Doobies were great!  Anybody else see the show?
 56 Just wonderin'
 57                                    HAVE A NICE DAY
 58                                      THE GRIZZLY
006=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/09/91 12:54  Msg:6177 Call:35468 Lines:10
 59 *$()!#$_)*$_)*(_)#((%$#%*_)*$@#_$*#%)*_)$(!@$()@#)%*#@%^&*_)$*!_)(!_)(#~_)#(!@$
 60 I must agree with A.D. I have seen many departments where the computer power
 61 went to waste. Not in the Research and Evaluation Department. They had so
 62 much knowledge about computers they re-wrote the school district book on
 63 what could and couldn't be purchased. Pity poor DP when the knowledge
 64 base started moving up a couple floors! You can complain about ineffective
 65 use of computers in the district all you want, but you can't say it about
 66 the eval dept and be taken seriously.
 67 *_)@#*_)@#_%*@#%*_)!(#_)*%%* L'homme sans Parity *%_)!%_)*(_)*%@_#&%_)%*!@_%)*@
 68  
007=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/11/91 07:29  Msg:6180 Call:35502 Lines:13
 69 &*&*&*&*'s
 70 Well, at first I was dissaponted with the end of TP.  Then I realized 
 71 something.  The ending we saw was the ending they filmed in case the
 72 show got cancelled.  If the show continues in one form or another, I
 73 suspect we will find that the last five minutes or so were all a dream
 74 sequence.  I sure hope so anyway.
 75  
 76 Great episode(s) otherwise.  Well, except for that little bomb bit.  
 77 Wonder if anybody survived?  
 78  
 79 An Astral Dremer 
 80 &*&*&*&*'s
 81  
008=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp  06/11/91 17:00  Msg:6181 Call:35510 Lines:18
 82 From the Beuro of Nosey Questions, World Watch Three>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wwiii
 83 Hello, Phoenix here.  I just used the US command to see if any of my old aliass
 84 still exsisted.  I found it interesting to see howmany people log on once, then
 85 never again.  Another interesting point is that the records go back to the mid 
 86 80's.  In this search I ran across names of useres past.  People in this elec-
 87 tronic community that are with us no more.  One name ran across the screen that
 88 stuck out (probably 'cos it was all caps...), that of one Brittania Scarbrough.
 89 .
 90 I found it interesting, as I was reminded of her recently on another board.  
 91 Some one mentioned my REAL name, this person said this in a post to someone nam
 92 ed Justin.  So, could anyone tell me what Brit and Justin are up to these days 
 93 and are they in the area?
 94 .
 95 One final bit (byte?);  If you read this, why don't you drop a line saying how 
 96 long you've been staying at the Inn.  My first visit was eons ago, 84 or 85 i 
 97 think.  I've been off and on ever since (more off than on, I'm afraid).  Whenev
 98 er I can get to a modem, this is the first place I stop.  All4now.  Phoenix.
 99 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>POP!
009=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/12/91 15:21  Msg:6182 Call:35526 Lines:39
100  
101 =#|^<....=#|^<.... The University According to Dor0thy or Alice, Whichever
102  
103 ... even though I've been impressed by a certain local dignitary's red 
104 herring public identity crisis ... and our president lead-poisoned shrill
105 whining, I don't kid myself the same would divert the "Monster Boy" Mafia
106 (or networked Athenahood emulating it) or they they would be smitted by
107 my "Postively Grubstreet" expatiation sniped from loopholds of hastily
108 constructed breastworks, and
109  
110 ... even though I repeadly apologize for acting the moonstruck quack, I 
111 still consider overdramatic hydragogues/hemostats a justifiable counter-
112 balance to the mystifying Lojik tradionally wielded to invalidate and
113 habituate the masses and obscure the layers of possibility/probability
114 underlying superficial so-called "reality" ... even if the treatments are
115 still oversimplifications -- "dawdling over those '10%' trifles" might
116 be the typically prim putoff (especially directed at women)
117  
118 ... but because it has been publicly asserted that endemic cause and
119 effect cannot be divined in a vaccuum, I thought it perfectly rational
120 to point out that askig the public to do the same, especially when judg-
121 ments tend to coincide with predetermined projections, seemed an 
122 ineffective extension of the same process.
123  
124 ... and unless there continues to be insistence on a deep penetration
125 of the reasoning of cannibalistic fasces-bearing officials operating
126 behind facades of superficial scruples and delineatio made between them
127 and those perhaps more "eucharistically" inclined, we will continue to
128 produce little more than habitually helpless invalids in hawk to their
129 eyeballs to countless AMA scams and other combinations of carburized
130 criminals/industrialists/politicians, and perfect pawns for both.
131  
132 @#;} ....@#;} ... Still trying to figure out who the #@#$%@#) I think I am
133  
134 posting such bs
135  
136 .... people do WEIRD things when they're put in the position of havig
137     nothing to lose <grin>
138  
010=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/13/91 09:08  Msg:6183 Call:35534 Lines:4
139  
140 Hmmmmmmmmm ... Maybe Atlas will really shrug and drop the world on the 
141 vipers below!  
142  
011=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/13/91 21:01  Msg:6185 Call:35541 Lines:7
143  
144 @_)(&$%^!@#(!@#(@)(!*&!&@%#(!#&!_*#_!)(#@*!_#!&%#!@_!*&$@~&^%@(&~^
145  
146 It is wiser to be hendubious than cocksure.
147  
148 @)(&#$%!)#&_()*$)+($@)*^#)!^#_(@*$+@$%_+)(#|!^%@#~$@~^)&^&%$&@OM2
149  
012=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/14/91 07:48  Msg:6187 Call:35547 Lines:44
150  
151 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
152 IMAGINE
153  
154 Imagine there's no heaven
155 It's easy if you try
156 No hell below us
157 Above us only sky
158  
159 Imagine all the people
160 Living for today
161  
162 Imagine there's no country
163 It isn't hard to do
164 Nothing to kill or die for
165 And no religion too
166  
167 Imagine all the people
168 Living life in peace
169  
170 You may say I'm a dreamer
171 But I'm not the only one
172 Hope someday you'll join us
173 And the world will be one
174  
175 Imagine no possessions
176 I wonder if we can
177 No need for greed or hunger
178 A Brotherhood of Man
179  
180 Imagie all the people
181 Sharig all the world
182  
183 You may say I'm a dreamer
184 But I'm not the only one
185 I hope you'll join us
186 and the world will be one
187  
188 John Lennon 
189  
190 oops ... looks like the n's are missing.
191  
192 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
193  
013=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert  06/14/91 08:59  Msg:6188 Call:35549 Lines:8
194 *****kathyD***memrsince84?********carlmaldenreporting*********
195 I have the UUCP Blues today, major amounts of energy and anger
196 directed towards a stupid little modem and a stupid 286box with
197 **oheren* unix installed, this little test message to you is
198 making me even crazier because of all the garbage characters that
199 I keep having to delete off the screen as I type, I think this
200 is a major part of the problem. aurgg
201 ********************************kathyD***************************
014=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/14/91 10:13  Msg:6189 Call:35553 Lines:7
202  
203 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
204  
205 .... AND you can't blindfold Justice by pulling the wool over her eyes.
206 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
207  
208  
015=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/15/91 11:41  Msg:6191 Call:35572 Lines:7
209 *_)@#$*%_)@(%_)(!(#_)(%()_(_~)(#_)(%(@_)(_)(%$@%(_(%@+_)_+!)$_@#+(%_)%(_)(%%()
210 AD: You could be right, but don't you think the show is dead? ABC won't 
211 renew, and I don't think it is the kind of "safe" stuff that another network
212 like FOX would ever pick up. Better check out alt.tv and see what the masses
213 say...
214 *%_)@*%_%*)@#)%*_)!$(_)@#%*_) L'homme sans Parity *%_*%_)($!_)($_)%*_%*@_%*@_
215  
016=Usr:549 alan kennedy      06/16/91 01:59  Msg:6193 Call:35582 Lines:6
216 |||||||||
217 Phoenix-I too have been experiencing the more off than on.  I have been in and 
218 out of the Inn since about '84.  This phone number is the only one I still have
219 memorized from back then.  Anyone else out there?
220                                      THE GRIZZLY
221 ||||||||
017=Usr:4 Milchar           06/16/91 16:14  Msg:6195 Call:35591 Lines:3
222 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
223 Yes, we're out here... but we lurk a lot, too.  -Milch
224 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
018=Usr:549 alan kennedy      06/16/91 23:33  Msg:6196 Call:35596 Lines:1
225 lurk
019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/17/91 20:33  Msg:6199 Call:35607 Lines:41
226 &*&*&*&*'s
227 L'homme, yes its more or less dead.  I think the chances of a wrap up movie
228 are somewhat decent though.
229  
230 The more I think about it, the easier it becomes to take.  They had sunk so 
231 low (In my opinion) as to have cooper foolishly give in to his darkside,
232 when there was every indication that he had learned his lesson already, and
233 that he would when faced with he challange make the right choice.  The 
234 thought of watching CooBer kill people and make asses of people through the
235 first seven or so episodes of the now canceled 3rd season just makes me
236 sick.
237  
238 I know that I'm sounding a lot like the many dweebs that criticize the show,
239 but I really do feel cheated.  They let me down, and not for the first time.
240 In time I've been able to forgive them in the past (Either what they did
241 made a disturbing sort of sense, or I waited it out and eventually it got 
242 resolved.)  But I really suspect that this was the last straw.  Even if the
243 show had come back, I don't think I'd have been watching.
244  
245 As of now I watch NO TV nothing.  I don't even care to deal with the uneven
246 quality of STTNG anymore.  I never seem to remember the Simpsons (1 half 
247 hour show a week is easily forgotten).
248  
249 Thought extreme, I'm not alone in my view.  Most of the people I know
250 have been in a steady downward spiral of TV viewing for several years.  I
251 don't doubt that most of them will bottom out at absolute 0 as I have.  These
252 are inteligent, well educated people.  Not all of them in the Computing field
253 either.  What the H*ll has happaned?  Even cable doesn't draw me anymore.
254 Its expensive, and all it is is the same old stuff over and over again.  
255 Guligans Island was a classic, but how many times can you watch it before
256 memorizing the half dozen plots they repeated over and over again.
257  
258 Oh well, enough of my rant for now.  Maybe its good that I don't watch any
259 more TV.  But a little bit of me worries that this is just another sign
260 of the steadily increasing alianation of the Haves and the Have nots, the
261 educated and the illiterate(Hope I spelled that right. :-), and the future
262 and the past.
263  
264 An Astral Dreamer(All in all, its just another rant in the WALL)
265 &*&*&*&*'s
266  
020=Usr:9 Pamela Coleman    06/17/91 23:25  Msg:6200 Call:35610 Lines:3
267 .........................................................................
268 Just skating 'round the edges... as usual... safer that way.
269 ........................................................................P
021=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp  06/18/91 19:53  Msg:6203 Call:35625 Lines:2
270 Why did she move without telling me?
271 Phoenix
022=Usr:571 Tomasz Fijak      06/21/91 09:26  Msg:6207 Call:35677 Lines:5
272 Well today is the first day of summer .I seen the sun for 5 minutes this morn-
273 ing .Isn't it great the rain and all. I love the rain it makes me gloomy
274 and (un) happy . I hope it snows tomarrow . Welcome summer even if she
275 is'nt at the door yet.the party is just barely 32 deg f. but low beware
276 cursing summer for being late. The dog days are yet to come !
023=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/22/91 14:45  Msg:6208 Call:35703 Lines:23
277 *%_)@*%_($!)%#$^_+)+#_%*@)+_(!+$(@#_+^(#$^*_)(+_@!#$)+%^*@+_%*+_($@_+$)+_#%*+_$
278 AD: I know your frustration with TV. I agree with most of it. I like cable
279 because I get to see the many movies that I never get to see in the theater. I
280 used to go out to 2-3 movies a week. When another who is no longer among the
281 BW-us used to work at the Eastgate, I saw movies there all the time. Once
282 again, social entropy takes its toll. I think I have only seen 2 or 3 movies
283 in a theater this year. If it weren't for cable, I would be totally out of
284 touch with the movies being made. I also enjoy watching older films, either
285 seeing them again or for the first time. As far as network TV goes, I watch(ed)
286 TP, STTNG, Late Night (I still get a laugh!) and occasionally The Tonight
287 Show. Quantum Leap is pretty good, but it hasn't been on in awhile (at least
288 not that I have seen). I don't get a paper so I don't get the TV listings. I
289 find myself listening to more and more music. I just bought a new car stereo
290 with a CD player and I haven't even tuned any PDX stations in yet. sigh...
291 We are becoming pop-culture hermits, at least as far as television goes :-)
292 A disappointing thing about life and growing up and old. We have less and
293 less time to do the things that we really enjoy. Maybe I am being too
294 presumptuous: The "we" should be "I". I don't get as many chances to simply
295 enjoy things as much as I used to. Life can be like a vicious cycle, consuming
296 more and more time and energy for the task of getting to the next level
297 of consumption. Oh oh, philosophy alert. Better hang it up for now...
298 *$%)@#*%_)@#*%_)*$!_)#*%_)!*$%_ L'homme sans Parity *$_)*$@$*(_)~#(_)$*!_)$*~$^
299  
024=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     06/23/91 16:11  Msg:6209 Call:35711 Lines:2
300 Now entering Super Lurk Mode.
301  
025=Usr:267 phoenix polymorp  06/23/91 17:08  Msg:6210 Call:35712 Lines:1
302 >>>>>PHOENIXLURK>>>>>
026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/25/91 06:56  Msg:6213 Call:35739 Lines:6
303 &*&*&*&*'s
304 just lurking.
305  
306 An Astral Dreamer (5 more lines added)
307 &*&*&*&*'s 
308  
027=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     06/25/91 11:43  Msg:6214 Call:35743 Lines:5
309 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Just Lurking Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
310  
311 There is no message, only lurk.
312  
313 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | kruL sdrawkcaBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
028=Usr:121 Hamfred Gammidge  06/25/91 11:48  Msg:6215 Call:35744 Lines:7
314  
315 This is a test of the Emergency Lurking Network.  This is only a test...
316  
317 LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK LURK
318  
319 Had this been an actual lurk, the preceeding line would not have been followed
320 by any message.  This concludes this test of the Emergency Lurking Network.
029=Usr:322 Stray Cat         06/26/91 10:31  Msg:6217 Call:35764 Lines:8
321  
322 =========================An Pythian Games Continue ================
323  
324 And it's either one way or the oth.  But Wait said the Chariot driver
325 can never answers the questions of thHP.
326  
327 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@And thth!
328  
030=Usr:121 Hamfred Gammidge  06/26/91 22:23  Msg:6218 Call:35768 Lines:2
329 Meta-Lurk
330  
031=Usr:31 The Doctor        06/27/91 14:07  Msg:6219 Call:35774 Lines:7
331 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
332 My, my, my....I think I finally got the time circuits functioning properly.
333 Now, by the readings this should be 1989 and it should be as if I never
334 left.....What!?!  This isn't the same Backwater I knew....What's that K-9?
335 It's 1991?  Well, of course it is!  I knew that!  Things really have 
336 changed.....yet stayed the same.......
337 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Doctor
032=Usr:549 alan kennedy      06/28/91 21:43  Msg:6220 Call:35801 Lines:3
338 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
339 Doctor-  who?
340 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||grizzly||||||||||||||||||||||
033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  06/30/91 12:08  Msg:6222 Call:35821 Lines:9
341 &*&*&*&*'s
342 all logged in, and nothing much to say.  
343  
344 In fact, nothig at all.
345  
346 An Astral Dreamer (On an non ansi terminal)
347 &*&*&*&*'s
348  
349  
034=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  06/30/91 19:42  Msg:6223 Call:35823 Lines:4
350 *%_)*%_)(!#$()@#%*%&*^_)#%*_)!($()_)~#(_%*@_%^*@#%*@#)(%#()_#($(()$$*#@_)$@
351 AD: Is that all you have to say??? :-) Must be TP withdrawl...
352 *_$%@#*%_)@#%(_)!@(%$_)!@#*% L'homme sans Parity *%#_*%_)(_$(_$*_!#%&*_)$*()
353  
035=Usr:578 M. Bell           07/02/91 11:13  Msg:6225 Call:35857 Lines:6
354 ------------------------
355 Well, well.  Backwater still lives!  Nice to see that some things do stay
356 the same.  :-)
357  
358 M.
359 ------------------------
036=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/03/91 10:37  Msg:6226 Call:35865 Lines:10
360 &*&*&*&*'s
361 Not much Twin Peaks withdrawel here actually.  What with all the
362 hiatusing ABS subjected it to, I was able to withdraw relativly 
363 safely. :-)
364  
365 Just havn't had much to say.  Oh well, I'm going to be out of town for a 
366 few days, maybe my mind will start working again.
367  
368 mke
369 &*&*&*&*'s
037=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock   07/04/91 12:31  Msg:6227 Call:35877 Lines:42
370 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
371  
372 Gracious!  The Backwater is still alive and lurking!  Will wonders never cease/
373  
374 I'm just barely functioning on a seven  year-old modem that literally needs
375 tape and bailing wire and a monitor that won't show me what I've typed... but
376 I'm here...  Isn't paying for College a dream and a half?
377  
378 Astral Dreamer:  *Twin Peaks* withdrawal shouldn't be too rough on you.  
379 ACCESS (tm) GUIDES just did a TP guide  book with some data on what we saw in
380 the season finale (and I do mean finale) and Pocket has committed to doing
381 more 'literature' in the future by at   least four more books/diaries/whatever.
382 And there's always the bubble-gum cards if you're really hard-up for it... :)
383  
384 On another note, what does everyone     think of the singular BEST and WORST
385 film of the summer, *Terminator 2:      Judgement Day*?
386  
387 *****Paradoxes*****... -Grrrrrr!-       Perhaps someone should go back in time
388 to prevent Cameron from writing the     ening to T2 the way he did.
389  
390 Still, all is not lost for those        die-hard 'Doom & Gloom' types such as
391 myself who actually LIKED the idea of  the timeline staying the way it is.
392 All SKYNET has to do is send another    T-1000 back to take the placeof the  
393 now-dead professor, who suddenly won't  NEED the Terminator parts to build     
394 the supercomputer.
395  
396 I think it would be most interesting if it turned out that the T-1000 didn't
397 die, after all.  Once it cools, it      could end up being the driving force   
398 that makes sure SKYNET comes to life.   In fact, it might even turn out that   
399 T-1000 is the actual sentience that     BECOMES SKYNET eventually.
400  
401 It'd be a twist, I think.
402  
403 Your thoughts on the subject?  You don't actually LIKE the idea of changing the
404 chronology like Sarah thinks she did, do you?
405  
406 Nice to see Pyrrixall still functioning.  Now all we have to do iis sweep up...
407  
408 #Commence Purification Program (1) on    your signal, Commander Zephyr...#
409  
410 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====Support ... Well, Me!::::====
411  
038=Usr:579 Jason McCallum    07/04/91 16:39  Msg:6228 Call:35880 Lines:3
412 To sysop
413  
414 What exactly is here?
039=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     07/07/91 14:54  Msg:6230 Call:35914 Lines:6
415 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | I gotta get a new border.............
416  
417 Yah know, for this board to have a user list with 579 users, it sure seems
418 do have a small number who actually post.
419  
420 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | New borderanyone???????????????????????
040=Usr:549 alan kennedy      07/08/91 08:47  Msg:6231 Call:35919 Lines:1
421 LUrkINg CaN MaKE YOu CraZy
041=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/09/91 07:35  Msg:6232 Call:35944 Lines:6
422 &*&*&*&*'s
423 My BBS is back.  Call 2288506.  Full time, 300-2400 baud.
424  
425 An Astral Dreamer
426 &*&*&*&*'s
427  
042=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/11/91 16:43  Msg:6233 Call:35986 Lines:38
428  
429 Geesh, WILL IT **EVER** end???? Is it even POSSIBLE we'll now have new and 
430 additional witch hunts at PPS?  The morning paper seems to indicate the Sch
431 Board NOW wats to go after all those "undesirable/unit" PPS teachers.  Wonder
432 if they'll use Eval. Dept. "records -- the ones PAT stated on cable (with 
433 Mr. Rieke present) ABSOLUTELY COULDN'T be used for making those kinds of
434 decisions -- or whether they'll just turn the entire district over to 
435 free-for-all gang warfare, with administrators v teachers/teachers v 
436 teachers/parents v teachers, administrations, schools/parents v parents/
437 schools v school/dists. v dists/dists v state, etc.  We can only hope PAT
438 isn't as depraved as the classified staff's union seemed to be.
439  
440 In "reality" (in any really exists), this sounds like just another Board
441 attempt to glaze over NOT ONLY 1) taxpayer reaction to the recent insulting
442 statements by certain administrators (we're all idiots, you know) that 
443 current reports criticizing their performance wa actually praising them 
444 because a) not only were they already doing what was recommended but that
445 b) it was all they COULD do within state guidelines BUT 2) the already 
446 long-standing administrative problems that have plagued tis "monster boy"
447 police state originally set up previous to Dr. Prophet's arrival (with the 
448 help of such long-time Board members as "to-be-"elected"-this-evening" 
449 new Board Chairman "Joe" Rieke [is former board member Mary Rieke, who
450 has a "school" named after her, related or WHAT???]  and designed to keep
451 employees and the public in a state of perpetual mystification.  Like this
452 city really needs MORE war zones ... and students ADDITIONAL role models 
453 for gang warfare.
454  
455 And it's funny ... I don't recall "reports" of the report issued by the
456 PPS-appointed/(paid?) Stife Commitee stating there WAS a problems with
457 district TEACHERS.  They did, however, cite problems with central
458 administration.  So why isn't THAT problem resolved before teacher witch 
459 hunts are instituted?  Now *I* happen to tink (although I prefer to bypass
460 the brain whenever possible) that 
461  
462 1) IF teachers had administrators who ENCOURAGED them to work together
463    rather than isolating them in fraagmented/alientated groups/gangs; AND
464  
465 2) If teachers had adminstrators that didn't perpetuate
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466  
467     a) the use of mandated ILLOGICAL/IRRATIONAL ... <-- I know, I know 
468        ... these terms refer strictly to hysterical women (worse terms
469        if you happen to be middle-aged) **NOT** wealthy white males; OR
470  
471    b) the unfair, inconsistent management tactics designed to conceal 
472       the real causes of te resulting messes from the confused chaos
473       necessitated by the need for persistent mystification to maintain
474      "order"
475  
476 the ENTIRE STAFF might be able to function better and might actually
477 find they LIKE each other!
478  
479 But since school is out for the summer and the Board will probably also
480 take a couple of months off, why don't we all get some activist practice
481 by participating in the investigation/scrutinization of tese same sorts 
482 of tactics being used by the "monster boy mafias/networked Athenahoods" 
483 at the City of Portland who will, if you have enough money or prove other-
484 wise useful, will gladly start/maintain for long periods a civil war and
485 victimize the "chosen" from in your neighborhood (and TRY to get a lawyer
486 if your "chosen and aren't a billionaire ... an eye-opening experience,
487 let me warn you) ... just ANOTHER group we "pay" to abuse us to we can,
488 i frustration then ager, turn in around to self-abuse then abuse of others
489 ... generally anyone weaker, sicker, poorer, lowlier or more undesirable/
490 unfit bur primarily women/wifes/full-time-working-mothers/slaves (who
491 traditionally work insanely hard in hectic environments, earn shamefully
492 littlen then retreat to tiny "castles" for the evening to another
493 full-time underrated/unappreciated job), CHILDREN, and the handicapped
494 and elderly.
495  
496 But if that's not enough abuse, may you ca arrange to PAY your union 
497 (like I was requied to do) to blatantly harrass and humiliate you.  A
498 good summer project for PPS teachers, in all that spare time too many
499 bureaucrats think is unnecessary and SOME misinformed taxpayers also
500 seem to resent, might be to find all the loopholes in your contract before
501 a new, possibly even WORSE one is signed in the fall ... if it's anything
502 likek the old classified staff's contract it's been PACKED with
503 madeningly insulting, blairing betrayals.
504  
505 Overall, I think the questions we need to be asking ouselves now is how 
506 much more "control" over our quality of life we are willing to confer to
507 these gangster grops and how much more insultingly abuse we are going to
508 allow them to get???  If things don't start improving shortly, who knows,
509 maybe some time soon our young street gangsters/gansterettes will finally
510 deduce how ridiculous it is to be taking their frustrations out on each
511 other (and anybody forced to reside in those already deliberately mained
512 neighborhoods) and stat targeting the REAL troublemakers.  I'm afraid the
513 bread and circus brainwash can't maintain this insanity too much longer;
514 the "bread" is runing and andn slave labor is tiring of the zoo reality/
515 mentality.
516  
044=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     07/11/91 20:17  Msg:6235 Call:35990 Lines:34
517 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Aint America Grand?????????????????
518  
519  Whaddya expect from a country that spends more of the taxpayer's hard
520 earned dollars on its military than on its system of public education?
521 While we're so worried about the rising price of oil and the affairs of
522 the Middle East, we've completely forgotten that it is the intelligence 
523 of our people that gives us an edge over other nations.  Yankee know-how
524 has become completely forgotten.  For the first time in the history of this
525 nation, a generation isn't going to exceed its predecessors in intellect.
526 I find that rather disturbing.  The war in the gulf proved that ultra-tech
527 is militarily viable.  However, no matter how much we spend on the
528 military, we'll still lose the ultratech edge if we haven't t know-wot
529 to improve it over that of our adversaries.
530    I suppose, though, that this problem is not just the government's
531 fault.  I guess a lot of it has to do with the allready high level of
532 technical advancement in this country.  We no longer truly value 
533 intellect for its own sake.  From my personal observations, people today
534 don't want to expend the effort to learn.  Americans feel that it isn't
535 important for them to know how things work, just what buttons to press
536 in order to get it to work.  I am just glad I'm not one of them.  I
537 believe that knowledge is power.  If I know why and how something works,
538 it gives me an advantage over those who don't and don't feel any 
539 inclination to learn.  This is why I respect, though I *DON'T* approve,
540 of hackers, crackers, virus writers, and fone phreaks.  They, at least,
541 have the drive to learn, and to put their knowledge to a use (albeit
542 a distasteful and wasteful one).  This puts them at a plave above the
543 common chattel that they victimize, and who haven't the intellect to
544 stop them.  It is true that your average anarchist is more intelligent
545 than your average John Q. Public.
546  I ramble though.  I also seriously doubt that anyone here even read what
547 I just wrote, but I needed to write it for my own sake, not the reader's.
548 (Though if the reader profits from the reading, then that is good too.)
549  
550 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rebel without a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
045=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/12/91 06:41  Msg:6236 Call:35992 Lines:30
551 &*&*&*&*'s
552 Kurfur, I read what you said.
553  
554 On the subject of evaluation department records being used to evaluate 
555 teachers.  That would be a bad thing.  A very bad thing.  (Note this is all
556 my opinion, and should not be in anyway taken to have anything to do with
557 anybody who has real power, which I most certainly do NOT.  Heck, I don't
558 even really know whats going on directly.)
559  
560 High stakes testing (Which is what evaluationg teachers through test
561 performance.)  Is a bad thing.  It makes them hostile towards the test,
562 encourages them to teach to the test, and thus undermines greatly the 
563 usefullness of the test.
564  
565 Please note that in the past, it has been district policy not to do this
566 sort of thing (Note however that I have heard rumours of it going on. )
567  
568 The biggest failing of the Research and Evaluation departments of PPS in 
569 my opinion has been our inability to educate people as to the proper use
570 of our data.  Teachers are not required to take even one class on test
571 theory before getting their certificate in this state (And don't they
572 spend a good deal of time creating and giving their own tests?)  Many
573 administrators have the same problem.  This leads to abuse and 
574 misunderstanding.
575  
576 Time for me to get to work.  Maybe I'll write more later.
577  
578 An Astral Dreamer
579 &*&*&*&*'s
580  
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581  
582 Gag order'back in place???? <grin>
583  
584 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
047=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/12/91 07:53  Msg:6238 Call:35994 Lines:17
585 Isn't anybody else sick of the wthe way the Frank Gable case is being
586 publicly conducted, or does everybody just get weird vicarious thrills from
587 it.  The more we let things like this go by, the worse this society is going
588 to get.  Hope you all have your day with the likes of those psychiatriest, 
589 "monster boys" who are allowed to say about anythings they please.  Per-
590 sonally, I think they're jealous Mr. Gable cn attract such intelligent, good
591 looking women.
592  
593 And it seems the Naitos are at it again.  Got a good glimps from PJ on just
594 how the whole crime ring operates.  Metro gets a bid to refurbish Bill Scott's
595 building that's 2-1/2 times what they say they can afford ... then they get the
596 Naitos to crunch that number down to, I bet, just under two times as much and
597 consider it a fabulous "deal."  I would imagine APP and 1st Interstate have
598 alot to say about it too!  SOS.
599  
600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Mystification Continues~~~~~~~~~~
601  
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602  
603 If Mr. Naito and Mr. Scott are as civic-minded as they like to make themselves
604 out as, why don't they forget about glitzy new offices for Metro in the Sears
605 building and donate the money towards making Martin Luther King Blvd. next
606 year's Street of Dreams.  Or at the least, since Mr. Scott has shown such
607 concern about the school district having served on Board and all, being one
608 of those who voted to fire Dr. Blanchard who died shortly thereafter but who
609 left the person they knew damn well RAN the district there (a move made just
610 to make it look like they were doing SOMETHING about the problems, why don't
611 they renovate it for the school district offices.  Administrative offices are
612 scattered all around the city and there's currently little or very inconven-
613 ient parking at the building they rent right now and it becomes very frustra-
614 ting for employees who have to attend meetings there ... especially teachers
615 who have very little time out of class but are required to large segments
616 of time hunting a parking space just to attend a meeting.  It also makes 
617 for poor communication between administrative offices.
618  
049=Usr:583 Grim Reaper       07/12/91 12:55  Msg:6240 Call:35999 Lines:29
619 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEADEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH
620  
621 Hello, one and all.  My name is Grim Reaper, and I doubt any of you know me.  I
622 am new to the Portland BBS scene, however I am veteran in Seattle (known then 
623 as Zaphod Beeblebrox).  From<- From what I can tell, you are in need of a good 
624 story, nad I believe that I have one for you
625  
626 Here we go.
627  
628 	<- Diana walked around the tall structure.  The imoo<- i<- imposing stone tow
629 towere <- tower stood well over a hundred feet tall, and s<- as far as she coul
630 d tell, it had no door.
631 She naturally assumed somehow that a door would be in evidence, but when you de
632 al wih<- aith a <- with a magician, who can tell.  A deep rumbling in the sky a
633 bove her caused her to look about in concern, but it was only a storm, not the 
634 wizard returning.  She naturally assumed that he would be pissed off about this
635 pesky<- pesky woman lurking about his home.
636 	<- She looked down at the shining object in her hand.  It was the shape of an 
637 egg, with a little cur<- crusifix on top, and it was about 8 inches long.
638 	<- The mad who had given it to her (the man, not the mad), had said the<- that
639 she mustcount to three then throw the egg (which he had called a Holy Hand Gren
640 ade) and then run away very fast.  Diana  had rather been counting on a door to
641 thro<- thrw it into, but perhaps that high window would do.
642   She had a girevance with this magia<- magician, as he had recently ...
643  
644          Cont<- Continue at will,
645                  Grim Reaper
646  
647 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEARHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH
050=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/13/91 11:11  Msg:6241 Call:36007 Lines:11
648  
649 Jeesh, makes you wanna read those "other" entries on the board ... but think
650 I'll wait awhile or else I might lose my nerve.
651  
652 But think I will write a letter to the editors of some Baltimore newspapers
653 regarding the "whole" story behind the APP and see if that's actually the
654 way they want to run their city.  Reminds me of PPS's self-generate
655 reports on their international successess, especially with regard to their
656 uses of their testing "program."
657  
658 .
051=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/13/91 13:05  Msg:6242 Call:36009 Lines:12
659 &^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^
660  
661 Does anybody know where Randi Nalon Posts came from anyway.  It just
662 occurs to me she arrived just abot the same time the new director of
663 personnel McElroy brought in from out of state after Supt. Blanchard
664 was fired.  Randi's from out of state, too, and for some reason never
665 really seemed like just a "secretary."
666  
667 This was all about time time PFT replaced PAT representation.
668  
669 ^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&
670  
052=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/13/91 21:12  Msg:6243 Call:36013 Lines:6
671  
672 Yeah, Baltimore's interesting in competing with us to become one of the
673 top 10 crime cities in the nation and they want to know the secret of
674 retaining political control through maintaining a high crime rate (and
675 homeless rate, too ... they make the us "poor" people feel privileged).  
676  
053=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/13/91 22:29  Msg:6244 Call:36015 Lines:23
677 &*&*&*&*'s
678 Sigh, slaming the testin program again.  I suppose the fact that IS highly
679 respected throughout the world isn't in any way important.  I suppose the
680 fact that it is bassed in something as concrete as statistics and calculas
681 lends it zero validity.  I suppose the fact that it allows teachers to 
682 track a students progress over time, guage it against other students, etc.
683 is of no relavence?
684  
685 I could go on.  Suffice it to say that I find your constant Goble like
686 slaming of PPS to be both boring and non productive.  How about some 
687 solid documented facts?  Do you even have clue one as to what the testing
688 program is desingned to do?  Can you describe to me what a scale is?
689 How change over time is measured?  What an adaptive test is?
690  
691 Its not the testing program that most people object to,  Its their ignorent
692 and misinformed perception of it that they have the problem with.
693  
694 As ussual, I speak only for myself.
695  
696 An Astral Dreamer
697 &*&*&*&*'s
698  
699@first last
054=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  07/14/91 11:57  Msg:6245 Call:36021 Lines:5
700 *%_#*)%@)*_)#*(_)~!(#(_)_)_)*_)@*_)($#@(%$!+@)$+!_@)$+_@*_)*%!($_+!@($+_*%_)%@
701 voyeur: Do you still lurk around these here parts? I was in your neighborhood
702 yesterday, and saw your car parked in the garage...
703 *)$#*@!_$)(*_)*$_#&%^_)($_)_)!$*$ L'homme sans Parity *_)*($_)(_)($*$)*($()$(!
704  
055=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/15/91 10:51  Msg:6246 Call:36039 Lines:4
705  
706 I was hoping not to have to stoop so low as to revert to Sarah Newhall
707 stories just to prove a point ...
708  
056=Usr:549 alan kennedy      07/15/91 22:52  Msg:6247 Call:36058 Lines:10
709 Re>School systems and the government-
710 What do you expect of a business which hasn't changed its policies in two 
711 hundred years.
712  
713 To Grim Reaper,
714 You wouldn't happen to know Portland BBSer Phil Beeble would you?  He has been
715 around for about four or five years.
716  
717 The Grizzly
718  
057=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/16/91 22:51  Msg:6249 Call:36070 Lines:7
719 &*&*&*&*'s
720 Another lurk.
721  
722 (More or less.)
723 An Astral Dreamer
724 &*&*&*&*'s
725  
058=Usr:583 Grim Reaper       07/17/91 00:43  Msg:6250 Call:36071 Lines:22
726 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH... etc.
727  
728 well, I don't know of anyone named Phil Beeble, but for a while I was
729 Zaphod Beeblebrox.... -=<)ZB(>=-  But that was a long time ago (for me)
730 Here in Portland I'm very new.  I've actually been living here for
731 two years, but just got seriously into my modem about a week ago.  
732 I had dabbled a bit before, but nothing serious...
733  
734 all in all, I'm not real wired (not weird) about this whole thing, as I g
735 get to go off to Germany for a year and enjoy a little personal abuse
736 there (school), which will do nothing for my newly rediscovered BBS addiction
737  
738 I do know someone (indirectly of course) named Merciless Quimby Snatch who
739 apparently decided to show up in Seattle (my old home) on the BBS's about
740 the time I left...  and he's incredibly annoying from what I've heard.
741 Hmmmmmm...  and now for something, completely different,
742  
743 this is how you really spell Robert... Reaughbherrrhyt  and Freddy...
744 Phreadddhie  and of course Macintosh... Nastyviralshitfromanasinine-
745 companywithgangreneofthehead  I love my new spelling system.
746  
747 DEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATHDEATH you get the idea...
059=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock   07/17/91 11:02  Msg:6251 Call:36077 Lines:14
748 :::::=====:::::=====Zephyrlurk
749 THERE IS NO FUTURE IN PROGRESS...
750  
751 Read it any way you  like.
752  
753  
754 And, as long as we're throwing random   debates out onto the floor, does anyone
755 out there have even the most remote thought on the Great and Powerful OCA (pay
756 no attention to the bigot behind the sheet) and their Amazing Petition?
757  
758 Please excuse the line noise.
759  
760 :::::=====:::::=====Zephyrlurk-END
761  
060=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/19/91 20:07  Msg:6256 Call:36115 Lines:10
762  
763 ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^
764 *)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
765  
766 I see Ruth Scott is no longer president or chairman of the APP.  They just
767 held election.  They got a high-powered land developer now!  These city
768 slickers sure on cozy ... she's Bill Scott's wife.  
769  
770 *(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)]
771    ^  ^   ^ ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^  ^
061=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      07/21/91 21:14  Msg:6257 Call:36120 Lines:5
772 After a system failure, bwii seems to be back up with 
773 little worse for wear. I didn`t find anything specifically
774 wrong, but it just would not boot. So I just replaced the
775 disks and crossed my fingers.
776 ************************** CM ***********************************
062=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/21/91 21:25  Msg:6258 Call:36121 Lines:61
777 &*&*&*&*'s
778 Good to see it back.  Seems to me that I havn't babled on here for awhile.
779  
780 Hard to think of things to talk about.  I think that may be one of our
781 biggest problems in this day and age.  We are all so used to being 
782 overwhelmed by the media machine, that we have problems forming long
783 lasting relationships.  
784  
785 What I mean by this, is that the media provides us with tons of input.   
786 Ignoring for a moment the quality of this input,  lets consider the 
787 implications this has.  We are used to being able to turn on the
788 TV, or the radio, or go to the movies.  There we are entertained.  It
789 seems safe to assume that the quality of the entertainment provided 
790 must atleast be tolerable, since we keep going back.  Now, how many
791 people are there keeping this media machine going?  Hundreds of 
792 thousends atleast.  
793  
794 So, what does this have to do with relationships?  (Relationships
795 is defined here as meaning human interaction, in case anybody is
796 confused.)  Have you ever noticed that the longer you have known 
797 a person, the less you have to say to them?  Until you meet maybe
798 two or three times a year, say hello, chat for an hour or so, and 
799 go your seperate ways?  You may have been the best of friends,
800 yet you hardly ever see each other.  Why?  I believe it is because
801 we interact for the most part to entertain, or be entertained.
802  
803 Cynical?  Perhaps.  Given time, even the best of stories can become
804 boring.  And the interactive stories that we right as our lives are
805 I believe no different.  Why should they be.  All is human experiance.
806 Perhaps this is what Shakespere meant when he said "All the world is
807 a stage..."  (Gosh, I hope it was Shakespere.)
808  
809 And so we run franticly from character to character, trying desperatly 
810 to gain the perfect role, to play the perfect part, to be the central
811 player.  We all live with our own tradgadies, comodys and adventures.
812 But is the play the true meaning?  I think not.
813  
814 I believe that it is the play that distracts us.  Draws us in, and
815 all to ofteen, destroys us.  The roles we choose for ourselves are
816 to ofteen overly constrained, and without usefull purpose.  It is
817 not unusual for the simple formation of a goal to strive for to 
818 be beyond us.  And even when the goal is invisioned, it is seldom
819 atained.
820  
821 Why then do we play the game?  Is it because we must?  Are we all part
822 of some cosmic machine?  Biological parts in a rather simplistic and
823 stuborn Neural Net?  Are we meerly part of some huge soap opera, 
824 conceived of and set in motion by creatures we could not begin to 
825 comprehend?  
826  
827 I do not believe it matters.  If we must play the game, then let us
828 choose for ourselves roles which are not standard.  Let us find ways
829 to play between the rules, and make our own.  Let us know that we have
830 lived, and in living shaped the landscape around us in a positive way.
831  
832 And, perhaps by being different, by creating, we will not loose each
833 other.
834  
835 An Astral Dreamer (Never could be this verbose in English classes.)
836 &*&*&*&*'s
837  
063=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/22/91 04:38  Msg:6259 Call:36125 Lines:22
838  
839  
840 Is anybody else screaming about the raised sewer charges and the new fascist
841 stream cleanup program that those raised charges will support?  They have
842 grants for Fanno and Johnson Creeks where the wealthy can have the city come
843 in and place beautiful large rocks and probably "native plants" and place
844 park benches in their probably fenced in yards.  Then they're gonna required
845 the rest of creek residents to do the same ... on their own money (not the
846 plants or benches, of course).  
847  
848 Then they're going to encourge neighbors to rat on each other if they don't
849 feel the creek is being maintained well enough.  THey'll probably start
850 giving "tickets" (like the OLCC) and then the wealthy will sue the less wealthy
851 for damage to what the city did for them free by those whohave neither the
852 time nor money to "redo" their creek area into something out of some fancy
853 garden architectural magazine.  
854  
855  
856 Paranoid, you say?  You bet!!! I've been through it with the city and 
857 neighbors about a creek.  I ought to write a book about the maneuvers
858 I experience in this regard.
859  
064=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/22/91 04:52  Msg:6260 Call:36126 Lines:6
860  
861 And don't you resent being "primed" for weeks by touching little stream
862 cleanup segments just previous to the City's Environmental Services sending
863 out their 4-page brochure?  In hindsight the "turd" story was probably just
864 a forerunner to this campaign.
865  
065=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/22/91 04:56  Msg:6261 Call:36127 Lines:17
866  
867 @_)(#$*%^&@#$&@_)($*^!#%(@$(*%@(@&#$^%#_!#_!(_#@%^%@$(@++!@#*^$@&_$+!(#^%#$@!
868  
869 Huh.  Maybe I can be the first to report a crime in this regard.  THe city
870 has NEVER maintained the creek area in the right away, even after they 
871 insisted I donate 150
872 feet of my front yard  to construct a ditch in my creek beek 150' long,
873 6-8feet deep, and 15' across ... for which I am now liable.  This was done
874 to drain a 40-house development not even on the creek.  And for this, I
875 got absolutely no compensation (the deed-holder was a lawyer and the ex-
876 developer an ex-professional football player).  
877  
878 I tried to get two lawyers to help me at the time, but you know how THOSE
879 things go.  I never stood a chance.
880  
881 !_)(*!#@^&)^#)$_@($_!#^%@_*#$_(+!)(+@#!*^%(^%!#!$+_@)(#$&!&#^%^&_(@#$_!%
882  
066=Usr:578 M. Bell           07/22/91 12:33  Msg:6262 Call:36139 Lines:7
883 ---
884 Unless they (the city) had a legal document requiring you to dig the ditch,
885 you should have told them to piss off.  Maybe you should fill it back in and
886 see what they do. . .
887  
888 M.
889 ---
067=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/22/91 18:18  Msg:6263 Call:36147 Lines:1
890  
068=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/22/91 23:49  Msg:6264 Call:36153 Lines:25
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893  
894 This sewer/storm drain issue IS interesting.  When Earl Blumenauer's
895 department repaved part of Barbur Blvd. near the AM/PM market, they
896 completely remove the storm drain ... paved right over it.  And in the
897 eyesore they've created across the street from it, there was whole stacks
898 of old drains.  Seemed like a deliberate attempt to create problems for 
899 the neighborhood who had to deal with that water that had nowhere to go.
900 A huge lack was created for a year at the north corner of the AM/PM block
901 and they finally came and took care of that problem.  I think they just
902 resloped the road so the water would stay on the street and continue on
903 downhill.  I wonder if they filled it the ditch, too.  I'll have to check
904 tomorrow.
905  
906 And it seems funny they're just NOW posting warning signs about sewage
907 going into the Willamette from downtown ... I'm sure they wouldn't be
908 doing that if they HADN'T of gotten the rate hike.   I thought these
909 kinds of projects used to be taken up under local improvement districts.
910 Just having fuzzy notions of such things, it would seem to me that the
911 downtown merchants of the APP should have been charged for this.  But of
912 course they have their own rate system down there.
913  
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915  
069=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/24/91 06:40  Msg:6266 Call:36172 Lines:32
916  
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918  
919 I'd notice some time back First Baptist Church & Country Club, Inc.
920 has removed the benches that were placed on SW 12th and the other
921 street running by the library (sorry, don't know the sequence of 
922 downtown streets) in memory of my father and paid for by my mother.
923 I thought they'd been taken in for repair but when I called the other
924 day they stated outright they were removed so the homeless wouldn't sit 
925 there.  I asked in you had to be of a certain income level to sit on a
926 church bench and she said they were actually SLEEPING there and defacated
927 and urinated and stuff.  I inquired if they possibly contributed to 
928 shelter for them elsewhere, maybe sme other location downtown, and she
929 said they FED them instead -- twice a week.  Seems to me that only adds
930 to the crap ... Interesting attitudes for a church I'd say.
931  
932 So I wonder what they did with the benches.  Bet they went to some APP
933 location around town or maybe to the vast Ames charity estate(s).
934  
935 But I find this particularly offensive because my father's family was
936 the type to take in homeless people.  His brothers all worked on the
937 railroad and the one brother he had in Portland  fed and houses many
938 hobo-types over the years.  Not only that, but my cousin's wife spent
939 months "on the streets" of Washington DC after she'd vacationed there
940 some years back with a Swedish exchange student they'd had for a year.
941 She couldn't believe what was happening to people and was especially
942 embarrassed it was the nation's capital.   She's appeared on national
943 TV, was hired by Time-Life, does national speaking tours and has written
944 a book about it.
945  
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947  
070=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/24/91 09:00  Msg:6267 Call:36174 Lines:5
948  
949 I know it's probably meaningless, but when I was in Forrest Rieke's
950 office the other day I overheard the secretary referring to a John
951 Hathaway.  Her last name was McNamara.  
952  
071=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock   07/24/91 10:43  Msg:6268 Call:36177 Lines:7
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954  
955 Hummmm...  I guess the old saying that  people don't worry about things that
956 don't affect them directly holds true for the Backwater.
957  
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959  
072=Usr:322 Stray Cat         07/24/91 14:09  Msg:6269 Call:36182 Lines:6
960  
961 Why is everybody acting so schocked about the Milwaukee kid eating his 
962 victims?  PPS has been devouring people alive for years and way too many
963 people know it and nothing's ever done.   Criminals don't receive all their
964 training at home; most socialization is done by the schools.
965  
073=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  07/25/91 14:27  Msg:6271 Call:36199 Lines:7
966 &*&*&*&*'s
967 I don't know.  I think you've sunk to a new low.  Do you really put petty 
968 politics in the same league with murder and canibalism?
969  
970 An Astral Dreamer
971 &*&*&*&*'s
972  
074=Usr:602 John Bach         08/16/91 04:24  Msg:6315 Call:36585 Lines:8
973 :-)(-::)-:-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::)-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-:
974  
975 Howdy guys... I'm new around here... just checking things out.  I believe
976 Astral dreamer knows me... 
977  
978     -- John B.
979  
980 :-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-::-)(-:
075=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      08/24/91 21:18  Msg:6343 Call:36721 Lines:1
981 this really is the last line on this disk.
