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91261 6-JAN 04:34  General Information
     RE: New 360K drives!! (Re: Msg 91241)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: MITHELEN


    My mind boggles at the simplicity! I can just backup my bootdisk to it,
and presto? Huh, i shoulda done this years ago.


     Thanks,

     Dave


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91262 6-JAN 04:34  General Information
     RE: New 360K drives!! (Re: Msg 91248)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING

 > > > You can get new 3.5" 1.44 meg drives at Computer City for $39.56.
 >
 > > What else do I need? I know I at least need a custom cable. I need a
 > > full 3.5" setup for the Color Computer 3 and OS9 Level II.
 >
 > Actually, you might be able to just crimp one of the connectors onto
 > your existing cable.  The only gotcha you need to watch for is that
 > all the 3.5's I've fooled with (well, only 2) have had pin 1 on the
 > opposite side from that of the 5.25's.  You might have to allow for
 > twisting the cable to get pin 1 over on the other side -- maybe have
 > the 3.5 connector facing the opposite way from the 5.25's.  Let's see,
 > does the power connector take the same Plug as the 5.25?  I think so,
 > better check.  BTW.. here's my dmode for the 720-K setting*
 >
 > nam=D1 mgr=RBF ddr=CC3Disk hpn=07
 > hpa=FF40 drv=01 stp=03 typ=20
 > dns=03 cyl=0050 sid=02 vfy=00
 > sct=0012 t0s=0012 ilv=02 sas=08
 >
 > The only difference is dns & cyl.  Note I have found that an ilv
 > of 2 works on my system with both the 3.5 and 5.25, and it is just
 > a little faster that way.
 >
 > If you have to make up your own cable, you will need, of course,
 > a length of 34-wire flat ribbon cable.  all your connectors will
 > be 34-pin crimp-on.  You need a card-edge connector for the controller
 > end, a card-edge connector for each 5.25, and an IDS socket for
 > each 3.5. (Better get at least one spare of each, they're cheap,
 > in case you lunch one).  All this can be had at Radio Shack.  They
 > also make an IDC Connector crimper, it's around $15, and makes it
 > a little easier to squeeze the connectors onto the cable.  Also,
 > in case you are not familiar with this stuff, the connectors will
 > have a little arrow or mark "indexing" your pin 1, and also, the
 > cable will have the wire on one side a different color. This is
 > supposed to be line 1.  Keep all this straight and it will make
 > it easier to hook it up.


      Ahh, that's more like it, complicated enough for me. :) Would you be
interested in putting one together for me for the fest? I'd pay whatever
time & labor you thought was fair. I like ready to run. Besides, I'm
creating jobs! :)


       Dave

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91282 7-JAN 01:37  General Information
     RE: New 360K drives!! (Re: Msg 91262)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

 > > Actually, you might be able to just crimp one of the connectors onto
 > > your existing cable.

Directions for Making own cable...

 > Ahh, that's more like it, complicated enough for me. :) Would you
 > be interested in putting one together for me for the fest?

I don't know if I will be able to make it to the fest.. I missed
Atlanta, so knowing me..

If you want one made up for you, but it's not that hard to do, just
get the connectors and squeeze them on.

If you want one made up, I can make one and send it to you.  Actually,
the 3.5's are really nice..  Probably the best setup would be be one
5.25 (for compatibility) and 2 3.5's. The 720K would really be good for
backing up your hard drive.


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91263 6-JAN 04:34  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91249)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING


 > > Might I interest you in a back issue or two of the Compiler Video
 > > Magazine? $10 each for over an hour of MM/1 and Color Computer
 > > FESTivites!
 >
 > Yeah, I'd be interested..   Details on ordering?  Come to think of it,
 > seems I remember saving your announcement of CVM, but kinda pushed it
 > on the back burner.  Can you refresh my memory?

    $10 each back issue. There are two available as back issues. If you are
going to the next Chi Fest, I'll have them for sale there at my booth. I
am planning to be at my booth one day and touring another day for footage
and seminars. I'll have to decide when I see the agenda the day before.

 > > I'm getting my Mac advice from JOELHEGBERG. For personal use mostly
 > > but it will defentaly help me develop graphics for the MM/1.
 >
 > I've had something of a hankering for a Mac for some time, just was
 > a little shaky about getting one.  My main reason for either a Mac or
 > PC would be so I could be "mainstream" on some of the stuff so I could
 > share stuff.  I don't know that many people with Macs close to me, there
 > are some, of course, but I feared I might still not have the
 > "compatibility" that I desired.

     I'll let you know all know what I decide on getting. I think a Performa
475 (68LC040 66/33 with system 7.5 and double speed CD + integrated monitor)
pretty good price. I'll be one step ahead of Joel. :) (no CD-ROM, no sys 7)


      "Apple, take a bite." :)

       Dave

   P.S. I like those multi-cultural Microsoft commercials. :)

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91264 6-JAN 04:35  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91250)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING

 > > Oh, by the way. I have only heard of it but there is a Performa that
 > > does realtime video capturing right out of the box. That looks like
 > the > one I want. I still have alot of thinking to do.
 >
 > Are you still in the process of buying or do you already have one?  (I'm
 > in "read new" mode in ix right now and can't check back).
 >
 > Anyway, there seem to be more decisions to make with the Mac that with
 > the PC, doesn't there?  And now we have PowerPC, and the 6100 doesn't
 > seem that expensive, either.

     Yea but I don't need PC compatabilty. The package I have my eye on
looks good. Thanks for asking though.


     Dave



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91265 6-JAN 04:35  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91251)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING


 > > Hehe
 >
 > The sound of that makes me think *YOU'VE* been there too <G>

    Ooops, didn't catch that until now. I had allways been using floppies
until I got my 240 Meg Quantam last year (I mean late '93 <g>). Now all I
do is push in my boot disk, and pop it out again, it never leaves the
drive (different story at the fests <g>).



      Dave


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91271 6-JAN 21:17  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91246)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ISC

Bill, I almost thought you were Bill Gates there!! ;>

Really, for most people 8MB of RAM is PLENTY on a Windows machine. OS/2
requires a minimum of 8MB (even though Warp WILL run in 4MB... but just
barely!). What you said about 16MB being required may be true for OS/2,
however, if you wish to do any real multi-tasking of DOS programs.

Most people DON'T really multi-task, however, they merely "task-switch".
OS-9 literate types. In that case, Windows doesn't perform
bad. I use a 486DX50 (NOT a DX2!!) with 8MB. I did have 4MB before. I also
use a 4MB machine at work. Anything over 8MB (we DO have a 16MB machine at
work) doesn't speed anything up to a noticeable degree. The 16MB machine
DOES do a good bit of true multi-tasking under Windows (as true as it gets,
anyway), and is fairly responsive. There are usually 3-4 things going on
in it at the same time. I wouldn't recommend THAT with 8MB or less!!

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91272 6-JAN 21:19  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91255)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: COCOKIWI

Win 95.... I bet that's the last time MS puts a year in a product name!
By the time it finally arrives, 95 will be half over (IF it get s here by
the August 96 latest released date!!)!! The next version will be called
"Windows 2010"....

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91280 7-JAN 00:35  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91246)
     From: DBREEDING    To: ISC

 > To enter the discussion, 16 MEGS of memory is what I would recommend to
 > anyone
 > wishing to buy a PC system and use it EXTENSIVELY.  If one wants to do
 > only word processing and the occasional spreadsheet, 8 megs is probably
 > sufficient.

This makes sense.. and really agrees with what I've read in magazines.  At
this time, the biggest majority of PC's being assembled (well DX's and
above) are being equipped with 8 Meg.

 > My advice to anyone considering a PC system is to buy it from one of the
 > major
 > Direct channel marketers like Gateway, Zeos or Dell

How about the local computer store?  I have talked with our dealer, and
from what I can gather, it looks like one might get a system for maybe
$200-$300 more than the above.  I'm thinking this might be worth the price,
since you then have someone you can look at to provide your support.  I
understand that often it is difficult to make connection with the mail-order
houses for tech support.

 > and load it with all
 > of the hardware and software you think you will ever need at purchase
 > time.

Yeah, and a couple of months later, say, "Why didn't I get..."  <G>
But I do undersand what you're saying.

 > Believe me, the hassles of buying
 > that "bargain" at Sears and then adding peripherals, configuring the
 > BIOS, resolving IRQ conflicts and finding that you have 300MB of hard disk
 > used in only 2 weeks is more than mildly annoying!

Right.  I have a brother who has a mind of his own, it seems.  I tried, not
too forcibly, but did try to give him advice similar to what you said above.
But he wound up going to Wal-Mart and getting a Packard-Bell SX-25, it did
have CD-Rom and Sound.  His argument was.. "Well, this is all I'm ever going
to want to do.."<blah> <blah>.  However, now after about a couple month of
playing around and seeing what's what, he now is beginning to get the itch
to upgrade.  Right now, he wants to add a paralell port.  Don't know when
he'll realize he needs more than the 4 Meg he has.  And his HD?  Well, he's
not going to do all that much. 210 Meg is plenty, and he can add another
drive later... sure!  I fear that when he goes to trying to upgrade, he's
going to be a little sad about it.

 > MB of disk space, so I would recommend at least a 500 MB drive, but,
 > preferably, 700 MB.
 > on and on and on and on and on...  What a racket, eh?  A tribute to
 > American ingenuity.

Well, at least THESE Americans were ingenious enough to be able to make
gobs of money <G>

 > So, you ask.  Why don't more people use OS9?  Heh, heh, heh...because it
 > WORKS that's why!

I know why.. MS-Dog is on IBM's, and IBM *KNOWS*...

Hey! And under Windows, you can MULTITASK..


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91283 7-JAN 01:37  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91257)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > I've done sneaker net......even with a hard drive!

Hmm... now, *THAT* would be inconvenient <G>



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91284 7-JAN 01:38  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91263)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

 > > > Might I interest you in a back issue or two of the Compiler Video
 > > > Magazine? $10 each for over an hour of MM/1 and Color Computer
 > > > FESTivites!

 > $10 each back issue. There are two available as back issues. If you
 > are going to the next Chi Fest, I'll have them for sale there at my booth.
OK.. I'd like to have them.. I may not make it to the fest, might just
order them.


 > I'll let you know all know what I decide on getting. I think a
 > Performa 475 (68LC040 66/33 with system 7.5 and double speed CD +
 > integrated monitor) pretty good price.

Apparently you're satisfied with the Performa line.  They aren't
stripped-down models are they?  Does the LC cpu chip have any actual
shortcomings?


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91285 7-JAN 01:39  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91271)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DSRTFOX


 > Really, for most people 8MB of RAM is PLENTY on a Windows machine. OS/2
 > requires a minimum of 8MB (even though Warp WILL run in 4MB... but just
 > barely!). What you said about 16MB being required may be true for OS/2,
 > however, if you wish to do any real multi-tasking of DOS programs.

Well, for my part, if I were to get a PC (new), I'd go ahead and get 8 Meg.
It looks like that is what the sellers are now considering to be base
memory.

That's one of the many beauties of OSK..  My system has 4 Meg, and seems
like about all the modules are "sticky" <G>.  So far, even with G-Windows
running, I've never gotten free under about 2 Meg yet, and that's with
all the C compiler modules loaded and several processes running.


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91291 7-JAN 06:07  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91284)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING


 > Apparently you're satisfied with the Performa line.  They aren't
 > stripped-down models are they?  Does the LC cpu chip have any actual
 > shortcomings?

    The Performa LC's have no FPU's. I'm asking the same question in the Mac
SIG.


      Dave



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91303 7-JAN 18:37  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91271)
     From: ISC          To: DSRTFOX

> Bill, I almost thought you were Bill Gates there!! ;>
>
> Really, for most people 8MB of RAM is PLENTY on a Windows machine. OS/2
> requires a minimum of 8MB (even though Warp WILL run in 4MB... but just
> barely!). What you said about 16MB being required may be true for OS/2,
> however, if you wish to do any real multi-tasking of DOS programs.
>
> Most people DON'T really multi-task, however, they merely "task-switch".
> OS-9 literate types. In that case, Windows doesn't perform
> bad. I use a 486DX50 (NOT a DX2!!) with 8MB. I did have 4MB before. I also
> use a 4MB machine at work. Anything over 8MB (we DO have a 16MB machine at
> work) doesn't speed anything up to a noticeable degree. The 16MB machine
> DOES do a good bit of true multi-tasking under Windows (as true as it gets,
> anyway), and is fairly responsive. There are usually 3-4 things going on
> in it at the same time. I wouldn't recommend THAT with 8MB or less!!
>
I have a P5-60 with 8 meg.  It has run out of memory on several occasions in
WFW 3.11 while opening multiple apps in MSOffice or receiving a fax and doing
anything else, or downloading a file and doing certain other tasks at the same
time, or using two or more apps and printing at the same time.  My permanent
Windows swap file is as large as possible too.  Those guys who sell the memory
managers might still get some of my money.  Installing 8 more megs and getting
the system to recognize it might be a trick too.  OS2, on the other hand,
would create virtual machines and use 55 megs of disk just for the OS.  Ah,
what a wonderful world of options.  Bigger hard disk, more memory and ever
more bloated code!...(As they take him out kicking and screaming...)

Bill


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91310 7-JAN 20:25  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91291)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE (NR)

 > The Performa LC's have no FPU's. I'm asking the same question in the
 > Mac SIG.

From what I can gather, that may be the main (possibly only) difference.

I just downloaded the message base in the MacHardware forum on CI$
today, about 800K.  Haven't seen a WHOLE lot of enlightening material
yet, but have just gotten through about <200K.


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91312 7-JAN 21:31  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91285)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: DBREEDING

I agree... a new PC should have 8MB in it if it is to be used for anything
more than a little homework and games. With that in mind, I would think the
majority of real home users may never really need more that 4MB, except to
speed up the games a bit more!!

Those doing really serious work need the 8MB for speed under Windows. I know
my system acts more like the 50MHz it is now. That reminds me... you ever
heard of a POWER SUPPLY slowing a system down? MINE DID!!!

I originally had my 486DX50 (NOT a DX/2!!) in an XT case with 165W power
supply. Not a lot of load on it, just two floppies and a single 3.5" hard
drive, only three cards (hand scanner, video, and multi I/O). Well, it NEVER
booted right away... would always have to turn on then hit reset. Could hit
reset right after flipping the power switch and it would come right to life,
but no reset, blank screen. I recently bought a new case with 200W PS.
Problems gone, and the system seems "snappier" also!! Now I ran that XT
case PS on a 286/20MHz (that's right, a "hot rod" 286 with Harris processor)
for some time with no problems at all!! 165W should have been plenty, but I
guess
the XT style PS doesn't come to life as quick as the newer ones!!
I stuck the 20MHz board back in it and again, no problems! And the 286 board
HAS to suck more juice.... it has 4MB or DRAM on it and a 5.25" Seagate ST-251
hard drive!!

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91313 7-JAN 21:42  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91303)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ISC

Bill, you should know better than to try real multi-tasking with an MS-DOS
box!! ;>

I see your point. But you ARE running some of the bigger memory hogs of
software. The USAF seems to be standardizing on MS Office, one reason is that
they can get it for a very good price bundled with new systems. Here at Robins
AFB, the small computer steering group HAS recommended
that no future systems be purchased with less than 8MB , partially because
of this standardization. The only thing I use that takes a good deal of memory
is my hand scanner program... the scanned in files are pretty big! I didn't
get it until I got 8MB installed.... I don't think I would have been able to
work
with more than one scan at a time with 4MB, now I can scan 4 pictures before
running out of memory to edit with. PageMaker runs a little faster, but is
due to Windows running faster, I think. I do a little task-switching, but no
real multi-tasking, except running CoCo at the same time!! ;>

I just use Microsoft Works for Windows for word processing, and Write. If
Write hada fhe beginning of the file
after a search and replace, but returned where you left off) and a spell
checker, I wouldn't use Works. I chose Works simply because it has all the
features really necessary (if I need fancy layout, I know PM really good!!)
while taking a minimum of space... the most efficient tool for the job I need!

Your tools, on the other hand, are large and cumbersome in comparison, but
at the same time much more powerful. But you probably NEED the power, whereas
most general users wouldn't. For a general, do-all business system, 8MB
is probably a bre minumum, with 16MB being more like it. But most people,
even in business, don't tax there machines as much as you seem to!!

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91318 8-JAN 00:52  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91312)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DSRTFOX (NR)

CAUSE!......flacky power supply......<get yourself a copy of "upgrading and
repairing PC,s...4th edition.....by QUE......> and you will know as much as I do

<grin>...There is a power supply sensor built in ...if it do not come up within
a time frame the computer goes zit! it can cause a lot of grief...the cause is
the power supply is not the best...<cheeeep> and causes the sensor to trip when
it should not! THAT louses up the Mother board...CMOS setup...etc.....
REPLACING the power supply fixes the problem as you just found out! Funny thing
is I just READ the section about power supply problems<grin>....AND a lot of
Techs have blamed the Motherboard as being the problem..when all along it was
the power supply that was flacky!
Dennis

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91320 8-JAN 02:02  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91283)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

Well, you keep the lid off and just have to undo two cables.  Not that hard.
(Grin)

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91322 8-JAN 02:39  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91285)
     From: ISC          To: DBREEDING

>
>  > Really, for most people 8MB of RAM is PLENTY on a Windows machine. OS/2
>  > requires a minimum of 8MB (even though Warp WILL run in 4MB... but just
>  > barely!). What you said about 16MB being required may be true for OS/2,
>  > however, if you wish to do any real multi-tasking of DOS programs.
>
> Well, for my part, if I were to get a PC (new), I'd go ahead and get 8 Meg.
> It looks like that is what the sellers are now considering to be base
> memory.
>
.>
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That's just my point, Dave.  Given the memory-hogging aspects of ever more
bloated commercial code for the PC, the time to buy additional memory for your
system is at initial purchase time.  It is much cheaper that way and far less
hassle.

Bill

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91328 8-JAN 15:02  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91312)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DSRTFOX (NR)

 > a new PC should have 8MB in it if it is to be used for
 > anything more than a little homework and games.
 > ..majority of real home users may never really need more that 4MB,

 Many *ARE* getting by on 4 MB, but I would think that the extra 4 would be
a pretty good investment.

 > ever heard of a POWER SUPPLY slowing a system down? MINE DID!!!

Hmm.. wouldn't have ever thought to investigate that end of the problem,
but I can see where it *COULD*

 > the XT style PS doesn't come to life as quick as the newer ones!!
 > I stuck the 20MHz board back in it and again, no problems! And the 286
 > board HAS to suck more juice.... it has 4MB or DRAM on it and a 5.25"
 > Seagate ST-251 hard drive!!

Well, looks like that HD would probably pull more juice than the newer
one, but I understand that the "bigger" (i.e. more powerful) CPU
chips pull more power themselves, don't they?

BTW.. I saw something over in MACHW on CI$ yesterday, wonder if you or
anyone else might have a comment.  In replying to someone's question
RE: whether it's best to leave a system on all the time or turn it off,
someone made the comment that the currently-produced monitors don't
burn in, and that screensavers are not now necessary.  Of course, he might
have been talking about the power-down feature, but we don't have that
for our systems.  This one person said that he usually left his computer
on all the time (as I understood him), but would turn his monitor off.
I wonder, though if having the computer on and the lines going out in
open space, so to speak, for an extended period of time might be hard on
the video circuitry in the computer.

Any comments, anyone?


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91329 8-JAN 15:03  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91313)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DSRTFOX (NR)

 > most people, even in business, don't tax there machines as much as you
 > seem to!!

I'd say *MOST* people don't even push their machines hard enough to even
get their attention <G>

In your message, you mention something I've been wondering about -- scanners
for us.  I wonder if anyone has attempted to get us started with
scanners.  Would it be worthwhile?  That is, would very many people be
interested?  Many are SCSI, aren't they?  Would they simply hook to the
SCSI port?  Could we get access to the format etc of the data to write
the program?


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91330 8-JAN 15:04  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91320)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP (NR)

 > Well, you keep the lid off and just have to undo two cables.  Not that
 > hard. (Grin)

Yep, I know about keeping the lid off <G>. It's not, as I said "complicated"
(I think), but more of a nuisance, I'd guess.

I'd like to see a collection of pictures of all our various setups.. It'd
probably be quite an array <VBG>.


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91331 8-JAN 15:04  Applications (6809)
     RE: 8-bit chips (Re: Msg 91322)
     From: DBREEDING    To: ISC (NR)

 > > Well, for my part, if I were to get a PC (new), I'd go ahead and get 8
 > Meg

 > That's just my point, Dave.  Given the memory-hogging aspects of ever
 > more bloated commercial code for the PC, the time to buy additional memory
 > for your system is at initial purchase time.  It is much cheaper that way
 > and far less hassle.

Right.  I'd hate to get a system like that and then have to start modifying
it right at the start.  Of course, one need not go overboard, especially
if funds are limited, but what does it cost to go from 4MB to 8MB?  About
two hundred?  I'd say that would be a worthwhile investment.

I think most people, especially when buying their FIRST PC, badly
underestimate their needs.  After a couple, they finally get the picture <G>



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91266 6-JAN 04:44  Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91218)
     From: PAGAN        To: EDELMAR

 Ed and all,

 >I believe PAGAN wrote Black Jack using Ultra C.  The CIO and MATH
 >modules are replaced with the appropriate CSL and FPU modules.  To
 >the best of my knowledge, these modules require version 2.4 or later
 >of OSK to function properly.

 The version in the DB now was compiled with 3.2.  As soon as I put
 together the archives I'll be posting an updated version compiled
 with UCC.

 Microware's manuals say UCC 1.1 requires OS9 v 2.4++ or OS9/x86
 v1.3+ but I can't find where it sez whether the compiled code will
 run on earlier versions.  I'm taking the safe route and adding a
 warning label but if anyone knows for sure I'd like to know.

 >One of the reasons PAGAN used Ultra C was to ease porting to
 >OS9000/386.  I did the port to OS9000/386 for Stephen and it was a
 >trivial task under Ultra C.

 With a few exceptions, the programs are identical.  For 90%+ of
 G-windows programming the differences can be accounted for with a
 few lines in a header file.

 >The approach PAGAN used is hardware independent.  But it does
 >require current versions of OS9/6800 or OS9000/386.  I don't think
 >it requires the latest version of G-WINDOWS code for Black Jack,

 I test the compiled programs with wfm 2.2 as well as 2.5 but that's
 as far back as I can go.  Gespac reported some problems with some of
 my programs on their systems but I never got enough information to
 resolve them.  They didn't seem too interested in them anyway.

 >I believe Stephen has done some things he believes are unique and
 >proprietary to him hence his reluctance to distribute source.

 Yer durn tootin! :-)  I still have this illusion that I may actually
 be able to make money doing OS9 programmng someday and I can't see
 giving away the bank.

 Seriously, I'll answer any reasonable question and I have posted
 short programs to illustrate techniques for OS9 and G-windows
 programming but even a simple game like Blackjack takes a lot of
 time to write and I can't see giving away the source.


 Stephen (PAGAN)

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91267 6-JAN 04:45  Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91253)
     From: PAGAN        To: DBREEDING


 >Just out of curiosity, will the original source be about the same
 >(command- wise)?  If so, this will give us a chance to compare the
 >two.. well, maybe not the BEST example, since so much depends on
 >user input.

 Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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91286 7-JAN 01:40  Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91267)
     From: DBREEDING    To: PAGAN

 > >Just out of curiosity, will the original source be about the same
 > >(command- wise)?  If so, this will give us a chance to compare the
 > >two.. well, maybe not the BEST example, since so much depends on
 > >user input.
 >
 > Sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.

After re-reading my message, *I* didn't understand it either <G>

What I meant to ask was if your new source will be heavily modified (beyond
syntax).  I had thought that we might compare the speed between the two
different versions, but on second thought it occurred to me that most
of the time, the program is just waiting for user input, so we probably
couldn't tell much difference between the two.


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91308 7-JAN 19:59  Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91286)
     From: PAGAN        To: DBREEDING


 >What I meant to ask was if your new source will be heavily modified
 >(beyond syntax).  I had thought that we might compare the speed
 >between the two different versions, but on second thought it
 >occurred to me that most of the time, the program is just waiting
 >for user input, so we probably couldn't tell much difference between
 >the two.

 The source was modified to accomodate the syntax and new function
 names of and the structure of the program was change coniderably.
 Whne I started writing CyberWar I quickly realized that the
 technique I used to handle events in Blackjack wasn't near adequate
 for a more complex program.  When I decide to move Blackjack to UCC
 and OS9000, I modifed the program structure as well.  I also got
 lazy and use the demo version of Gview to create the startup window
 so hte program size inreased by a about 25K or 30K.

 Speed comparisons between 3.2 and UCC in most G-windows specific
 program probably won't yield much difference.  Most of the overhead
 in a graphics environment is the graphics.  In the case of G-Windows
 that is the realm of 'wfm' and the drivers - an application can't
 affect that too much.

 Stephen Carville -  pagan@delphi.com
 Kill them all.  God will select those who should go to heaven and
 those who should go to hell  [Abbot Arnold de Citeaux, 1205]

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91326 8-JAN 12:56  Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 91308)
     From: DBREEDING    To: PAGAN (NR)

 > Speed comparisons between 3.2 and UCC in most G-windows specific
 > program probably won't yield much difference.  Most of the overhead
 > in a graphics environment

Yes, I hadn't really thought of the graphic intensiveness of the
subject, but you're totally correct, and, as I said, the system is
spending more time waiting for input than it is in proceeding with
the program anyway.

I'm looking forward to seeing what UCC is like.  I hope it doesn't
go the way of everything else I've gotten.. I'm getting stuff so fast
that it seems that I get one thing, look at it, and before I even
learn the new commands, I get something else, and it seems I still
need more <G>

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91268 6-JAN 18:40  General Information
     Chicago
     From: PAUL8        To: ALL

Would like to know the date of the Chicago Fest, if it is set yet.

Thanks

Paul
N1LRT


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91269 6-JAN 19:45  System Modules (6809)
     different boot
     From: THIB         To: ALL

 would someone care to refresh my memory on how to change a boot from one size
disk drive to another in os9 level 2? I have ezgen
 and I'm almost posative it's part of what I need, but it's been a while since
I've done it.

 Andy

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91273 6-JAN 21:25  General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91233)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MMCCLELLAND

The latest version of thte CoCo 2 emulator (1.14, I think) WILL run OS-9
Level I. The CoCo 3 emulator is known to run Level II, alsoQ.

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91279 6-JAN 23:56  General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91230)
     From: ISC          To: COCOKIWI

> for "THAT" price one could get a full blown "Multimedia" system
> with everything!<G> my wifes Compac cost 1560....486SX-2-66...8 meg memory
>  CD-ROM x2......SB card 16 bit.....and came with software!
> Mine cost around the same!
>
>  I replaced the board to a VL buss.....486DX-2-66.....$95.00 for the board!
>  CPU ran $280........VL buss EIDE card...ran $55.0 ..though I,ve seen it for
>   $45.00....VL buss Video card ...Curris Logic  cost $82.00..<and it flys>
> memory ran $350.00  8 meg!..hard drives now are unreal!!!!! 229 for a 460meg!
>  I paid that for a 130 meg last year! less than $300 for a 560meg........
> keyboard cost $40.00 .......mouse cost $15.00........
> a case costs $75.00 with power supply.....a 1.44 meg drive goes for $35.00 /39

> <surplus stores around here are cheap><Grin>.and most of this stuff aint
surplus
>  stuff! tis NEW!
> Dennis
>
Since the release of the PowerPC to the market, this stuff should continue to
be bargain-priced.

Bill

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91316 8-JAN 00:32  General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91279)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ISC

Right on...cannot afford one<power-pc> but the way Mine goes<grin> who gives a
#$%^.......<grin>...
Dennis

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91274 6-JAN 21:44  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91173)
     From: JOHNREED     To: AJMLFCO (NR)

 > Bomb throwing mode = ON
 >
 > Maybe you could ask for the disks in MS-DOS format next time.
 > That way, they can be read by OS-9000 users, most OSK users,
 > and with the help of the PCDOS program even by CoCo users.
 >
 > Allen
 >
Right!
Why so many disk formats?  The same reason that we have so many
different `windowing' systems.  We seem to have a goal to give
each owner of an OSK system his own unique disk format and
display system.

How could so many smart people do something so silly?

Remember the formula for determining the intelligence of a
committee.

     ((highest individual IQ / number of members))

This also helps explain how Congress works.


           ********************************
       A stitch in time --------------------
               ------ is worth two in the bush

 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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91275 6-JAN 21:53  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91274)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: JOHNREED

Seriously, that is why a DICTATORSHIP is the MOST EFFICIENT form of government!
ONE PERSON says jump and everyone else does it! You just need a widely educated
person that knows when to be hard, when to be compassionate, and is a good
judge of character so they can properly delegate authority to the right people.
They also have to have decent moral values so they don't rape the country.
See, doesn't require much!!
;>


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91287 7-JAN 01:41  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91256)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > Basically, they were to prevent you from actually formatting the drive

 > The
 > -nvnp inhibited the physical format and verify.  You just read the stuff
 > on the SCSI (lsn 0 I believe) device which is put on by the manufactorer.
 > Now I hope this might tell about the floppy....I could be wrong because
 > this might just tell about the descriptor, not the media.

I think this will only tell you what the descriptor has on it.  This info
is displayed before an actual access is made to the disk (I think).


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91304 7-JAN 18:37  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91275)
     From: ISC          To: DSRTFOX

> Seriously, that is why a DICTATORSHIP is the MOST EFFICIENT form of
government!
> ONE PERSON says jump and everyone else does it! You just need a widely
educated
> person that knows when to be hard, when to be compassionate, and is a good
> judge of character so they can properly delegate authority to the right
people.
> They also have to have decent moral values so they don't rape the country.
> See, doesn't require much!!
> ;>
>
>
Sad, but true, Frank.  That's why people stayed with the absolute monarchy
form of government for so long.  Our monarchs are pretty sad examples these
days, though.  Can you imagine bonny prince Charlie as absolute monarch?  The
other problem was that they always allied themselves with the church too.
That way, they could put both hands into your pockets at once!

Bill


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91305 7-JAN 18:49  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91259)
     From: VAXELF       To: AJMLFCO (NR)

  Ribbs_OSK right now is MM/1 specific. Do to the fact that, many of the
routines do screen formating, using the old COCO windows commands. These
commands are 99% identical to the KWindow commands on a MM/1.
  The C version will ALSO be MM/1 specific, again du to the KWindow's screen
formating. There is a curses.h and curses.l for OSK. Mabey using this a
gerneric version could be make or if you have a graphics library for the
KIX\30, it could be written to use that library instead of the cgfx.l that
the MM/1 uses.
  That is the way a lot of UNIX code is written. Graphic Screen calls are
done to a common graphic C file. A customized common graphic C file is
made for each type of graphic chip that will be used. This way one only
has to link to the C file for that graphic chip and the make file makes a
program taylored to that chip.

John D.

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91306 7-JAN 18:52  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91274)
     From: VAXELF       To: JOHNREED

  We have standardized on a format for the project. Thus all beta testers
will be required to use this format. Most of them will not need to do
anything else but read from the disk. Very few will need to make disks with
this format. Only time is at the beginning, when the tester needs to send
in a formatted disk to get the initial beta program.

John D.

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91307 7-JAN 19:58  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91287)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING


   David,

> I think this will only tell you what the descriptor has on it.  This info
> is displayed before an actual access is made to the disk (I think).

   Well, I don't know <g>.  Here's what I got on my MM/1 by first
doing a dmode of /H1, then I did a format -nvnp /h1...

  First the dmode...

 name=h1
  drv=0 stp=0 typ=$80 dns=$00 cyl=0 sid=0 vfy=1 (off) sct=0 t0s=0
  sas=32 ilv=1 tfm=0 toffs=0 soffs=0 ssize=0 cntl=$000B trys=0 lun=0
  wpc=0 rwr=0 park=0 lsnoffs=0 totcyls=0 ctrlrid=1 rates=$00
  scsiopt=$0000 maxcount=65535


                 Disk Formatter
 OS-9/68K V2.4   IMS MM/1 68070 Computer 3 MB System  - 68070
 ------------  Format Data  ------------

 Fixed values:
                Disk type: hard
              Sector size: 512
            Disk capacity: 248502 sectors
                          (127233024 bytes)
            Sector offset: 0
             Track offset: 0
               LSN offset: $000000
  Minimum sect allocation: 32

 Variables:
 Sector interleave offset: 1

 Formatting device:  /h1


   Now I did see the drive accessed, so _something_ is being read <g>.
Just my .02 cents worth <g>.

   John -


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91311 7-JAN 20:26  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91305)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF

 > That is the way a lot of UNIX code is written. Graphic Screencalc C file. A customized common graphic C file is
 > made for each type of graphic chip that will be used.

This is a tactic that really makes sense to me.. I've wondered if we
couldn't maybe come up with some standardized file - maybe a taylored ",l"
file, that would translate the calls for the different systems.

Then if a programmer wished to write a program that would work across
the systems, he could make calls to this function (where each corresponding
function would have a common name, then hand this off to the specific
windowing function.

This would help to streamline programming quite a bit.  I think if this
were done, it should be strictly controlled, where one body - possibly
the OS9 UG - would have complete control over implementation and additions
to the library.

Alternately, no single library might be made, but maybe a common syntax
could be developed, and then a programmer could write his own function,
or library to handle this.



                   -- David Breeding --
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91315 7-JAN 22:00  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91311)
     From: VAXELF       To: DBREEDING

  I think I have the common C module, that is used a lot in UNIX programs.
It is primarly used to interface to CURSORS package. It could be used to
interface to different graphic libraries. What it is is C stubs. Within
the stubs you put the call to the grahic function in your system library.
  Thus once it has be made and the program works, that module could then
be put into public domain, so other programmers could have it to use.

John D.

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91319 8-JAN 01:56  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91287)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

Now that I give it some more thought, I think you are right.  Geez...and I was
just trying to (hopefully) find a simple way out for some one.  Now, if the
floppies were SCSI, then it would work.......

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91332 8-JAN 15:06  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91315)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF (NR)

 > I think I have the common C module, that is used a lot in UNIX
 > programs. It is primarly used to interface to CURSORS package. It could be
 > used to interface to different graphic libraries.

 > library. Thus once it has be made and the program works, that module could
 > then be put into public domain, so other programmers could have it to
 > use.

I think something like this would really be beneficial to both the
programmers, in that they could write a graphic program that would have
a wider audience, and to the users alike, as then, they would have access
to any good program that was written, whereas now, without such a package,
if a really good program comes out for one system, the users of the other
systems have to wait till, if ever, someone ports the thing over to their
system.

The only thing we would need to watch out for is to not have each and every
one of us coming up with his own calls.. that would lead to chaos.


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91333 8-JAN 15:07  OSK Applications
     RE: DMODE SETTINGS (Re: Msg 91319)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP (NR)

 > Now that I give it some more thought, I think you are right.

I think the report you see is the format that the disk will be formatted
in, and it will have to come from the descriptor, with any modifications
you specify on the command line.

 > Now, if the floppies were SCSI, then it would work.......

Well, if they were SCSI, at least for reads, you wouldn't even have to
worry about anything (if they work like HD's).  At least with the HD's,
the driver doesn't even have to concern itself with tracks, as SCSI
deals with Logical Sector numbers, just Like OS9.  Actually, with SCSI,
you don't have to worry so much about getting your Track #'s and SPT's
correct in your descriptor, just make your TKS*SPT's come out at, or just
under what the HD supports.  If it's too low, you lose a little space, and
if it's too high, you lose a little, too, because you will have a larger
allocation map, where the extra sectors are blocked out.

Where the problem comes from is that with FM type drives, you have to know
how many sectors are in each track, and how many sides, because the driver
has to tell the drive which track, and which sector to go to, where basically
whereto = LSN/(TKS*SPT*SID) (plus the fact that lsn0 might be different
from the rest.


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91276 6-JAN 22:00  General Information
     NEW Puppo's!!
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ALL


  ANNOUNCING THE RETURN OF THE PUPPO KEYBOARD ADAPTER!!!!

  You heard right! These aren't units that have been stashed away,
  but NEWLY manufactured ones! These units are capable of being used
  with the newer auto-switching AT/XT keyboards as well as XT only
  keyboards. Will run any program automatically after a time delay
  with the DOS command.... including OS-9! Has a menu for selecting
  several boot functions, or skip menu by holding the spacebar
  when turning computer on or pressing reset.

  Genuine Puppo authorized units!!!

  These will be sold for a limited time ONLY.... may not be long!!
  Price is only $70, $30 less than last advertised price!

  I need orders to get production started! Will have them ready in
  no more than 30 days once the okay is given to start!!
  Let me know if you want one on-line, then send a check to:
    FARNA Systems
    Box 321
    Warner Robins, GA 31099-0321

 I expect to give the okay after getting 6 confirmed orders (checks!),
 after which it will take no more than 30 days to deliver.


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91281 7-JAN 01:12  General Information
     RE: CoCo Phone FEST! (Re: Msg 91278)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: MRUPGRADE

Hmmm, Terry, interesting. May I ask why for the segrigation based on time
zones? And, due to this total seperation of eact and west coast calling times,
how will you determine the "first caller" and "last caller" prizes?


 In other words... 9AM eastern is 6AM pacific... not noon. :>

   Randy

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91297 7-JAN 11:45  General Information
     RE: CoCo Phone FEST! (Re: Msg 91281)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: RANDYKWILSON

 I really got a sence of th difference in time zones settign this up.
 Basically,, I tried to co-ordinate them to 10 M Centraal for theh start.
  Tho true,, the west coast is 2 hrs later.  Fortunately,, I live
 half way to everywhere,,, or this 'ud be tough.
  First and lastp called wil be as of Central time.
  til then,,,, Terry g

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91298 7-JAN 15:13  General Information
     RE: CoCo Phone FEST! (Re: Msg 91297)
     From: JMURPHY      To: MRUPGRADE

>  I really got a sence of th difference in time zones settign this up.
>  Basically,, I tried to co-ordinate them to 10 M Centraal for theh start.
>   Tho true,, the west coast is 2 hrs later.  Fortunately,, I live
>  half way to everywhere,,, or this 'ud be tough.
>   First and lastp called wil be as of Central time.
>   til then,,,, Terry g
>

Terry, you still don't seem to get it.

the WEST coast is 2 hours EARLIER, not later.

9 AM Eastern= 8 AM Central=7 AM Mountain =6 AM Pacific

11 AM Eastern=10 AM Central = 9 AM Mountain = 8 AM Pacific

Using the times you posted (TWICE) , your phone is going to start ringing at
8:00 AM and might not ever stop.

John Murphy

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91299 7-JAN 15:37  General Information
     RE: CoCo Phone FEST! (Re: Msg 91298)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: JMURPHY

 Looks like I'll have oto decide whether oto get up early,, or let it ring til
 10:00 AM Central.
  Gupess I shouldda just pospted Central time and letp it go at that.
  Ya live'n'learn,,,  Terry g

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91288 7-JAN 02:09  General Information
     where do I go?
     From: KUPER        To: ALL

Where do I get coco stuff at now days.  I have a coco2 can I still get used
coco3's any where?  How about stuff like modem and a hard drive?  Thanks for
the help.

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91314 7-JAN 21:45  General Information
     RE: where do I go? (Re: Msg 91288)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: KUPER

I can help you in both areas! I have a single gently used (it was my father's!
) CoCo 3 and disk system for sale. Let me know in E-mail if interested and
we'll talk prices. I also carry some CoCo software, print a magazine for
CoCo support, and sell NEW hard drive systems.. complete or components.

Frank Swygert
Publisher, "68' micros"

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91317 8-JAN 00:34  General Information
     RE: where do I go? (Re: Msg 91314)
     From: KUPER        To: DSRTFOX (NR)

I am interested in it please me some more info like amount of ram and those
kind of things andabout what price are you asking?

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91323 8-JAN 02:39  General Information
     RE: where do I go? (Re: Msg 91288)
     From: ISC          To: KUPER (NR)

> Where do I get coco stuff at now days.  I have a coco2 can I still get used
> coco3's any where?  How about stuff like modem and a hard drive?  Thanks for
> the help.
>
Have you looked at the classified ads here on Delphi?

Bill

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91325 8-JAN 10:57  General Information
     RE: where do I go? (Re: Msg 91323)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ISC

  Classified here on Delphi,, aren't all that viable. Most are sold
 but they never get pulled.  Claude Cote,, who left Delphi  a year ago,,
 and can't receive messages still has ads there.  But you can always try.
  Terry Simons  UPGRADE Editor

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91289 7-JAN 04:21  General Information
     RE: Delphi (Re: Msg 91260)
     From: JEVESTAL     To: JOELHEGBERG (NR)

 > Hey, Jim!
 >
 > > Does anyone have the transcript to Joel's conferance on termcap?  I
 > missed > it and was very interested in it.
 >
 > Yes, me!  :)  I plan on uploading it tonight or tomorrow night so it
 > should be available soon.  Amazingly, only half of my notes were covered
 > so I need to schedule another online conference to take care of the
 > uncovered material.

Cool, I'll look for it in the database.  I hope I can make the next conf too.

See ya,

Jim

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91290 7-JAN 04:23  General Information
     RE: Emulator (Re: Msg 91242)
     From: JEVESTAL     To: PHILSCHERER

 > I downloaded the Coco2 emulator in the Coco database and when I try to
 > unzip it, the file names are listed but it tells me that it doesn't
 > know how to handle them. Any clues will be appreciated. <Phil>

Which version of Unzip are you using.  The latest OS9 v4.5c will work
on all versions of zip files.  This version comes in two modules
unzip and funzip.  Check the database here for the latest version.

Jim

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91292 7-JAN 08:17  General Information
     RE: Emulator (Re: Msg 91258)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: PHXKEN (NR)

I downloaded it onto a PC but I dont know the version. <Phil>

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91293 7-JAN 08:20  General Information
     RE: Emulator (Re: Msg 91290)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: JEVESTAL

Hi Jim--I have it on a PC. The PC has HD drives and the Coco doesn't. I
wouldn't know how to transfer it if I cant explode it on the PC. <Phil>

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91309 7-JAN 20:25  General Information
     RE: Emulator (Re: Msg 91293)
     From: DBREEDING    To: PHILSCHERER

 > Hi Jim--I have it on a PC. The PC has HD drives and the Coco doesn't. I
 > wouldn't know how to transfer it if I cant explode it on the PC. <Phil>

Do you reckon it was zipped under a Coco?  You might try it on the coco.
Do you have pcdos for your coco?  if so, you might be able to use it to
read/write PC disks.  If you have a PC and a coco close enough, you could
transfer them via null modem.

Finally, if none of the above, how about (if it will unzip on the coco),
uploading to your workspace here and downloading, or if you have a local
BBS, use it.



                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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91324 8-JAN 08:45  General Information
     RE: Emulator (Re: Msg 91309)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: DBREEDING

Thanks Dave--I'll go at it! <Phil>

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End of Thread.

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91300 7-JAN 16:19  General Information
     INFO ON PLANETS
     From: TAULBORG     To: ALL

I am looking for info on the planets Neptune and Pluto for my 8 year old
son's school project.I want to do it with my coco under os9 or rsdos and
I would like to find the info through here on delphi or the internet but
I am haveing a hard time finding ANYTHING.I can't seem to find any info
or pictures.I'm going nuts tring to find this stuff so ANY help would be
greatly appreciated!

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91301 7-JAN 16:53  General Information
     NEW Phone Fest Post
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ALL

  NOTE:  ERROR Corrections to previous post
   Please ignor the previous post,,  this post (I aaahh think)
       is accurate for all times, phone numbers etc.
             from: "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo"  (non profit)
            home of "The UPGRADE Disk Magazine"
 .
                     A "CoCo Phone Fest"
      GRAND PRIZE: A 128k COCO 3   -    Open to the CoCo Public
  Coco Fests have been held for primarily for vendors to sell
productsan people to meet.  Since the demise of Rainbow,, most
vendors have reclused to near oblivion.  Waiting for you to find
them.  Some on a BBS COCO SIG,, other pop up in mags like the
Underground, on those occasions when it does get published.
  I have a plan for vendors to join in but, they will have to decide
to be a part.  That I'll leave with them.  This Phone Fest is
principally to just serve the CoCo Community in general.  As another
arm of CoCo support.  A chance to air your views,, or pick up on a
few specials.
 .
  The Date is:  Saturday January  >>> 14th   Beginning
 from:  11:00 AM Eastern   10:00 AM Central  9:00 AM West Coast
 to:    3:00 PM Eastern    4:00 PM Central   5:00 PM West Coast
         The number is  515-279-2576   (Des Moines, IA)
 .
  Need OS-9 Answers?
    Call Boisy Pitre on the Phone Fest OS HOT LINE !!
       same day   1:00 to 3:00 PM only CST >>> 515-987-5314 *
         * This number does not have call waiting.
 .
   Calls limited to 10 minutes or until the next ring over*
 .
   Caller awards to be given for 5 minute or more calls during the
above times only:
 1. Each of the first 20 callers will receive a ROM Pac of
    choice per existing supply.
 2. Each of the last 5 five callers will receive a ROM Pac of
    choice per existing supply.
 3. A grand prize of a "A 128K CoCo three" will be awarded by
    random drawing from all callers!  (shipping required)
 .
  Subjects?
  Number 1, what would you suggest to improve the community?
  What would you suggest to better combine the community?
  What do you like best and least about The UPGRADE Magazine?
  What is your favorite Magazine or BBS?
  How big is your CoCo group, and how can we work with them?
  You may order from our FOR SALE Listing.  (listing in
     UPGRADE Magazine)
  You may offer something for sale.  no charge of course
 .
   Phone Fest Specials:
           These specials apply to The Phone Fest Only!
  You may order a sample UPGRADE for only $1.00  (regular $4.00)
  As a new subscriber you will receive a bonus disk + a 2nd bonus
support disk.  2nd disk your choice of RS or OS-9.
  As a renewal you will receive a bonus choice of one library disk
free!
 .
  From C DEKKER Software:  You may order any C DEKKER Software and
receive a 25% discount!  Orders will be then be handled directly
through Chris Dekker.
 .
    From Rick's Computer Enterprise:
 Auction pak 1#:
  1. your choice of any five SUNDOG Games.  To the highest bidder.
A $90.00 value   The high bidder will receive the package directly
from Rick.
 .
  Shipping & handling of all packages is an unavoidable cost to be
paid by the recipients.
    How well will this Phone Fest do?   Where will we go with the
next one?  We have on planned in February,, another in March.  We
with the UPGRADE National Disk magazine can provide you with the
vehicle.   But the success of this community effort depends on you;
the CoCo supporter in the community!
  Now you have the vehicle,,,
    get in the drivers seat, and give us a call.  January 14th
 .                     515-279-2576
  *  With call-waiting the phone not being answered doesn't mean no
one's home.  But rather that I'm on the line and will not interrupt
until the 10 minutes is over.   I will ask that you wait a minute or
so,, as constant redialing will cause constant irritating clicks.
    The UPGRADE Disk Magazine is a publication of:
    "Mid Iowa & Country CoCo"; a non profit organization.
  Terry Simons Editor/Treas
  1328  48th Des Moines, IA  50311  -   Next Saturday Jan 14th
                     -   EOF  -

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91302 7-JAN 18:33  General Information
     NEW Phone Fest still wrong.
     From: JMURPHY      To: MRUPGRADE

>  .
>   The Date is:  Saturday January  >>> 14th   Beginning
>  from:  11:00 AM Eastern   10:00 AM Central  9:00 AM West Coast
>  to:    3:00 PM Eastern    4:00 PM Central   5:00 PM West Coast
>          The number is  515-279-2576   (Des Moines, IA)
>  .

Terry,

11:00 AM - 3:00 PM EST = 4 HRS
10:00 AM - 4:00 PM CST = 6 HRS
09:00 AM - 5:00 PM PST = 8 HRS

Try this:

11:00AM - 5:00 PM EST = 6 HRS
10:00AM - 4:00 PM CST = 6 HRS
09:00AM - 3:00 PM MST = 6 HRS
08:00AM - 2:00 PM PST = 6 HRS


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91321 8-JAN 02:07  OSK Applications
     Screen Type
     From: LARRYOLSON   To: MIKEHAALAND (NR)


   Mike,
       I wonder if you could help with a problem that I ran into in trying
   to determine the screen type on an MM/1. Do you know if _gs_styp() was
   implemented ? In the following test program(wintyp), am I using _gs_styp(),
   Get_Pixel_Size(wpath), and Get_num_Colors(wpath) correctly ?

   Talking with Bob van der Poel, he wasn't sure if _gs_styp() was being used.
   He sent me the following:
>I think I have the same problems determining the screen type as you do. I did
>a quick disasm on _gs_styp() and it _appears_ that is doing a I$GetStt with a
>function code of $8d. I don't see this code documented in any of my kwindows
>stuff...so I assume that it was never implemented by KD.

   I ran into this problem in working on Bob's MM2HP.c screen print program.
   The screen print program doesn't get the correct screen info back in order
   to set itself up to print the screen correctly. For an example, I would
   run my Makpal program, which would open a type 3 (320x208) window, then
   run this wintyp program to display the screen info. Then quitting Makpal,
   I would run gifshow on the picture ZOE.gif, and using wintyp on the
   window gifshow created, it would show the identical screen info that I
   got for Makpal. The problem comes in when the screen print program prints
   out these two examples, printing out the zoe.gif works perfectly but
   printing out the Makpal screen results in the program only printing half
   of the screen. I know only half of the Makpal screen is printed, because
   even though its called a 320 wide screen, its actually a 640 wide screen
   with 2 pixels being used for each dot printed on the screen, but how
   can I tell the screen print program to read 320 columns sometimes and
   640 columns other times, when it gets the same screen info for both cases ?

   As a sledge hammer fix for now, I just added a -f option to the program,
   if when you print out the screen you only are printing half of it then
   use the -f option, but there must be a better way.

   Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong ?

   Larry Olson


            /* wintyp - a program to get and display window info */
            /* usage:    wintyp <window path>                    */
            /* example:  wintyp /w6                              */

#include <modes.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <wind.h>
#include <winfo.h>
#include <ctype.h>


char *device = NULL;

main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{

   SCINFO sc;
   WINFO  wf;

   int wpath, t;
   int xsize, ysize, styp;
   int pixel_size, num_colors;

   for (t = 1; --argc; t++)  {
       device = argv[t];
       }

   if ((wpath = open(device, S_IREAD)) <= 0)  {
       terminate("Can't access '%s', error %d, device, errno");
       }

   if (_gs_scinfo(wpath, &sc))  {
       terminate("Error in determining screen type\n");
       }

   if (_gs_winfo(wpath, &wf))  {
       terminate("Error in determining window info\n");
       }

   _gs_scsz(wpath, &xsize, &ysize);
   _gs_styp(wpath, &styp);

 /*  I don't know if I'm using these functions correctly  */
   pixel_size = (Get_Pixel_Size(wpath));
   num_colors = (Get_Num_Colors(wpath));

   printf("\nWindow is %d by %d characters\n\n",xsize, ysize);

   printf("Screen type = %d\n",styp);
   printf("Screen addr    = %p\n", sc.sd_address);
   printf("Bits per pixel = %d\n", sc.sd_bitsperpixel);
   printf("Logical width  = %d\n", sc.sd_log_width);
   printf("Physical width = %d\n", sc.sd_phy_width);

   printf("Max x = %d\n", sc.sd_max_x);
   printf("Max y = %d\n\n", sc.sd_max_y);

   printf("Working area horz = %d\n", wf.w_wa_xmax);
   printf("Working area vert = %d\n", wf.w_wa_ymax);
   printf("Device window horz = %d\n", wf.w_dw_xmax);
   printf("Device window vert = %d\n", wf.w_dw_ymax);

   printf("Pixel size = %d\n",pixel_size);
   printf("Number of colors = %d\n\n\n",num_colors);



}


terminate(s)
void *s;
{

   if (s)  {
       fprintf(stderr, s);
       putc('\n', stderr);
       }
   exit(0);

}






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91327 8-JAN 14:13  General Information
     Hard drive deals
     From: FHOGG        To: ALL

I got this from my local paper.

"JEM Computers (617-497-2500) has picked up some of Hewlett-Packard's
overstock of new drives. Two amazing bargains are a 330 MB SCSI-2 drive
for $119 and a 670 MB SCSI-2 drive for $299."

These are 5.25" drives.

I pass this information on 'as is'. I have no connection with JEM and I
havn't checked it out. I have no experence with HP drives but they should
work with any of the SCSI computers out there. The article says they will
work with Macs and PCs with a SCSI card. Should work with TC70's, MM1's
Kix's etc.

If you need the space and you can use a 5.25" drive these prices are hard
to beat.

Let me know how it works out if you buy one.

Frank

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