From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Personal?      
Date & Time: 03/29/90 23:22:33
Message Number  3252

Hmmm...exactly how many people do you know who want Mac's?  I know it's
off the subject...my mind wanders easily I guess.
       T
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Cat & <>       
Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:39:28
Message Number  3254

>...Cat Stevens (though he's turned Arab...)
 
Actually, he's turned Muslim, and in his particular case /I/ have
something against him. It really annoys me that the man who wrote
music like "Sad Lisa" was quoted in Newsweek as saying Salman Rushdie
deserved to be murdered in the most henious way possible for his book
"The Demonic Verses" and that all non-Muslims are damned. He has
become everything I despise in people, and I have lost every shred of
respect I ever had for him.
                       --A baffled and appalled Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:44:18
Message Number  3255

>I wonder if Turtle ever hates himself...
 
No.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:47:05
Message Number  3256

>I have *** Tons *** of CP/M stuff...
 
Really?
 
                    --An attentive Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: How-to classes 
Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:49:39
Message Number  3257

>If there's a way to find fun and profit in kink, I'll think of it.
 
The fun part is obvious. Perhaps you should have said "if there's a
way to find profit in it..."??
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:15:47
Message Number  3260

>I just wrote a reply but aborted it accidentally....
Better not let the pro-lifers hear that [sorry, totally tasteless, but
it had to be said]
 
>"If not that, then what?
You know, I can't even remember.  ARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!  I forgot
the shoelace!  DAMN!!!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:17:42
Message Number  3261

>What Pine View will be like in 100 years...
I figure PV will be self supporting.  It'll have a hospital, shopping
malls, it's own TV & Radio stations (education, of course).  Those who
get under a 3.75 will most likely end up at the PV McDonalds, or haul
garbage.  The administration will be a monarchy.  There will be no 
escape with the really big killer dogs roaming around the 40 story wall
that encloses the campus.
 
And you thought your mind was filled with non-sense!  Ha!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Personal?      
Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:21:28
Message Number  3262

How man people do I know who want Macs.  I have no idea how many people
want Macs.
 
BTW, why did you ask that??
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 03/30/90 11:12:34
Message Number  3264

Hey, if you have them on any semi-usable MFM disk format, I can probably
read them.  If you're interested in giving away copies (or even getting
odd CP/M stuff back, if you have anything capable of running it now),
please let Turtle or me know.  If you don't have Z-System, then give
either one of us a "ring"--it's a really amazing OS to play around
with.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 03/30/90 11:22:42
Message Number  3266

I have a box of them riding around in my car.  I was planning to sell
them at New College but forgot that this happens to be Spring Break
for NC'ers and so almost nobody's around.

    At any rate, if you'd like two more I can leave them with Turtle,
and he can figure out some way to get them to you...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: tape           
Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:45:12
Message Number  3270

  Oh, I dunno, you did a good job leading us to the Super America...
  
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: turtles        
Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:51:52
Message Number  3271

Wait a sec! I have nothing against Turtles! What did I say? I have a 
problem sometimes when I don't know what I said when I shouldn't have
said it in the first place...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping & Dave
Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:53:30
Message Number  3272

  You saw Letterman live? Wow! I hope I get to someday... Tyler Robinson
wouldn't mind seeing him live eithr...
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:09:10
Message Number  3274

I'm supprised to here a good review of UCSD!  It's the first one
I've ever heard.  Long ago, when I was fairly new at this I wanted
to learn Pascal (knowing only BASIC and having heard of the strong
points of Pascal), so I got ahold of the nearest (only) available
Pascal package; And I gave it a good try...  All in all though, I
found it quite irritating.  Why should I have to learn a whole new
environment (I know because MiSery DOS sucks), when I only wanted
to learn a new language???????
Right now, I'm looking foward to learning C++.  I use C at work
every day, and I like what I've read about ++.
I can understand to a certain degree why micro Prologs have to be
somewhat stripped down.  While I must confess I know very little
about the language, what I do know suggests that just to execute
a Prolog program requires a great deal of run-time system services,
but don't worry.......   THE RISC-TRANSPUTERS ARE COMMING!!!! AND
BELL LABS JUST DEMONSTRATED THE FIRST OPEN INTERIOR OPTICAL PROCESSOR!!!
                               -------ROBOTRON-------
PS:  If you want to enlighten me about Prolog I'm ancious to listen.
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: LAUGHTER       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:24:30
Message Number  3275

You know what they say about one who laughs in ignorance ?
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: IBM ?!?!?!?    
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:27:54
Message Number  3276

My machine does multitask when asked nicely; and does it quite well
in fact (contrary to documentation).  And that is only one of many
reasons I CHOOSE to use it.
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: IBM ???just big
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:32:42
Message Number  3277

Some times I wonder if I'm the only who thinks big things come in
small packages.   Abviously I'm not.   Thankyou,
                        ------ROBOTRON------
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: A good Blasting
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:38:08
Message Number  3278

> NO NO NO, IBM's were not the only machines under $5000 then...
I'm glad somebody blasted me on that one.  I didn't have my facts
straight.  I must say though, the only machine in the list you
supplied that really has any power (a piece of junk with 512K is
sometimes better than a good computer with 16 to 64K) is the
TRS Model 16 (which I found out about this week).  Are you sure
they were available for under $5000 in '81 ?  The 68000 itself was
still a rare and expensive chip back then.
It's too bad things didn't go well for the Model 16; We might all
be using 68000 family machines today.
                     -------ROBOTRON-------
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hmm...         
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:48:51
Message Number  3279

One who dreams of matrices
One who sleeps with vector gleams
Is it strange
              when he awakes
To ponder 
          what did I dream?
                             ------ rarely poetic:ROBOTRON ------
===========

From: ---ROBOTRON---      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: 1780x1240      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:56:42
Message Number  3280

WOW was that a Laser printing, or a baby type setter.  It's no wonder
that one was slow.  Think about laying out 8 megs or so of picture
data w/out at least a 68020.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: ViSuAlItY      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:09:32
Message Number  3281

Yes....I think I would know. 
    Once again jumpin' to conclusions.....ASS-U-ME
  
    U F B-D I-S......
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:13:21
Message Number  3282

Sorry you got a load last week. Such swearing.....I assume there is
reason enough to take that shit. Sex on the sand at the beach is 'rough'
but taking shit is 'takin' shit'! Keep it cool, 'puters don't make good
mates....no matter how many peripherals you have.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: <***>          
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:21:06
Message Number  3283

My bites are done with care and sensitivity, NOT with violence. If
I have 'started' with you, it was not meant to be the signing of war
papers. If looks would kill, I shall of perished ages ago. You appear
to be stressed. Take a bottle of good wine, two blue stemmed crystal
glasses, a blanket and some cheese down to Venice Beach. Head south on
the beach until you find a real secluded spot, sit back, pour some wine,
listen to the waves and watch the sun set. Recharges your soul.....(the
second glass would be for anyone you feel would compliment the scene).
Then we'll talk.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: REMOTE CONTROL 
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:27:05
Message Number  3284

At 300 baud, I think I would rather send a letter.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CARRENTHEON         
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:28:30
Message Number  3285

Date : May 5th      Start time : 1:00am
Start place: Somewhere near DeSoto Road and N. Washington (301)
More later......
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: REMOTE CONTROL 
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:30:47
Message Number  3286

Thank's for the info....others have had problems, too.....I'll pass the
word....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Wyvern's Den   
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:32:12
Message Number  3287

Think it's still open......check it out if you need work.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:33:21
Message Number  3288

Well, maybe we went to different high schools together. I mean, after
all, of all the people I've ever met, you're certainly one of them. 
(or maybe not). Damn, I wonder if I'm who I thought I might be, or maybe
you're who he thought I might be, or I'm who you thought he might be, or
maybe I'm getting carried away here........(if he'd say that kind of
shit, I want to meet him...maybe we're related).
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:37:38
Message Number  3289

Let's see, a quick run down on my 'concert years', Yes, J.Geils Band,
Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, Edgar Winter, Johnny Winter, Mother's Finest,
Jimmy Buffett, Rolling Stones, Alice Cooper, ZZ Top, ELP, Bachman Turner
Overdrive, Aerosmith, The Who, Blue Oyster Cult, Mott the Hoople, Rush,
Doobie Brothers, Allman Brothers, Mountain (with Leslie West), Lynyrd
Skynyrd, Ted Nugent, Frank Zappa, Deep Purple, Foghat, Black Oak Arkansa
, Joan Jett, Eric Clapton, Bob Seger, ELO, Rick Wakeman, Charlie Daniels
Band, Eagles, Van Halen, and a few others that I've lost my tick stubs
from.......GOOOOOOOOOOOD times....
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Colorization   
Date & Time: 03/31/90 12:00:40
Message Number  3290

  I've said all I care to on the mundane subject of colorization. As far
as flag-burning, I think it's despicable but should be allowed under the
law...along with all other acts that don't harm another individual.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Libertarianism 
Date & Time: 03/31/90 12:03:20
Message Number  3291

  I think you asked how many Snuff films I've seen. answer:none
                             Porno films                  :many
  
  Of course they're separate issues, except in the minds of a few warped
persons who equate pain with eroticism. (many of whom seem to be British
, for some odd reason) (( a good thing Amelia never calls out))
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: +ALL+               
Subject: System Crash   
Date & Time: 03/31/90 15:59:13
Message Number  3292

Well, I came home from work last night to find one of those
 
TRSDOS Error on Logical Unit 08:
Parity Error During Read
 
things waiting for me, like an IRS auditor or a dead walrus in the
refrigerator. Seems that by some mysterious process not yet fully
understood by man, a small blob of unidentified sticky substance
invaded a disk drive, and promptly proceeded to smear itself all
over the message index file, and Beatle logged on and tried to
save a message, and the system put the header on top of the little
blob, and, well, have you ever seen what happens if you drop a
watermelon off a school building onto the pavement? That's kind of
what the message base looked like. The system was kind of up this
afternoon. Sort of. A little bit. Unfortunately, it kind of forgot
where it put a few of the messages...like most of them above #3272.
As a result, anybody who read new messages over #3272 probably
didn't see all of them...*sigh*  Well, anyway, things are kind of back
to normal now. Sort of. Didn't even lose any messages...just about four
and a half hours of aggravation.
Just thought you might like to know.
                            --A frustrated Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ---ROBOTRON---      
Subject: Hmm...         
Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:11:43
Message Number  3293

Yikes!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ---ROBOTRON---      
Subject: 1780x1240      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:12:19
Message Number  3294

>It's no wonder that one was slow.
 
You call three pages a second SLOW? Aaaaaiiiigggghhhh!! (Yeah, that's
per /second,/ not per /minute.../
                       --A paralytic Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:16:45
Message Number  3295

>...Rush...
 
...the culmination of human artistic achievement.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: _lost_              
Subject: _lost_         
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:52:51
Message Number  3296

I'm pretty sure it was around $4000.  As for it being "the only machine
on the list with any power," well, it depends.  I've seen a lot of
applications that do more with a Z80 and 64K than with a 80x86 and 640K;
the 68000 programmers don't seem to be as susceptible to such things,
but you still get things like 300K 16-bit CPU word processors that don't
have any major new features over 30K 8-bit CPU ones.  I have nothing
against 8-bit CPU's, despite the conventional wisdom that says that I
should throw all of them out.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Leaving        
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:28:40
Message Number  3297

Funny you should say that...you'll be happy to know I'm about to go
vegitate on the beach.  Marriage sucks, m'love...trust ME!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:29:46
Message Number  3298

Yeah...but it's still BORING!
:)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:30:28
Message Number  3299

I like to HURT him, actually.  I love to hear him scream...
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: ANGEL               
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:31:07
Message Number  3300

Nice....handcuffs and stuff are more apealing...but, hey, if happy faced
bandages do it for you, well.... 
     :)  The Lady in...
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Cat & <>       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:33:29
Message Number  3301

That was kind of what I was getting at, but didn't get the words out
right.  I hate sounding like a bigot...but you got the idea...and in a 
well-manner, too. :)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:34:54
Message Number  3302

Oh my...you are worse than I, but that's not hard to accomplish! :)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:35:31
Message Number  3303

Actually, my mind IS nonsense!  I don't believe you actually spent 
valuable time thinking about Pine View in 100 years. Ugh!  Damn you to 
a hellish place.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Personal?      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:36:47
Message Number  3304

Don't ask me, I told you it was irrelevant. :)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: turtles        
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:38:18
Message Number  3305

:)  It's okay, love...
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: sleeping & Dave
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:38:44
Message Number  3306

It was a real neat-o experience.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: ---ROBOTRON---      
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:39:16
Message Number  3307

I am a Pascal programmer...I didn't know it had strong points! :> 
    -aren't I evil?
          The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ViSuAlItY      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:40:59
Message Number  3308

:>
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:41:24
Message Number  3309

Funny, I tend to wonder about my father at times....:>
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: tape           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:09:38
Message Number  3310

My point exactly!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: ---ROBOTRON---      
Subject: LAUGHTER       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:10:39
Message Number  3311

I have a strange feeling I _don't_ want to know what they say.
 
Catch me when I'm more cheerful.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:14:16
Message Number  3312

I saw a few of those... I regret not seeing ELO, as I like their music,
and heard they used to put on a very dramatic performance.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Cat & <>       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:07:22
Message Number  3314

Actually he said he wasn't sure that he deserved to die but that he 
upheld whatever the Ayatollah said - now THAT is what I hate and detest
in a so-called "sentient" being - blind unquestioning obedience. Yech!
 
		                           Radical independent and free-speaking
                                   --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:10:05
Message Number  3315

well - iguess a better measure might be cubic feet & inches ---
seriously at least 100 disks.
 
        --==>* Jon *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:13:49
Message Number  3316

Lemmee see - most of it is in the Apple CP/M format but I can always
drag it out of it's cubbyhole and transfer it over to MSDOS where I 
can send it out - reason for the strange round trip is no decent
term program under CP/M!  I have an old Osborne that I never got around
to making a "standard" rs232 plug for...  but I have a program that can
read those floppies - I'll see if I can find my goodie list.... later
 
   --==>* JonBoy *<==--
 
PS Turtle doesn't live too far from where I work... that new humungous
white building just north of 301 and Tallevast  - that is Hi-Stat and
Hurricane Sports.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ---ROBOTRON---      
Subject: Enlightenment  
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:20:25
Message Number  3317

Whaddya wanna know - it's 
a super datbase with an inference engine attached - it has the interesti
ability to "fill-in-the-blanks" with any and all information that fits
a given query - math is a pain in the butt.  Most Prologs will not allow
you to dynamically alter a database - Quintus would allow you to declare
the database as DYNAMIC and then you could do neat things.  Better to
get a book on Prolog and one of the PD versions of the language to play
with - there are a few if you have a MSDOS machine.  I just picked up
a shareware C++ front end for Turbo C.  Now if I can squeek some learn
time in between fires at work maybe I can use it for this big project
I have coming up (like they want it done by June).
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Leaving        
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:30:44
Message Number  3318

Glad to hear it!  There's a certain section of Cochina Beach that I've
been dying to talk a stroll on - I just moved up here last Nov and have
not had a chance to really get out like I should.  That section of beach
looks truly beautimus with a couple of sand spits out a bit like a 
sheltered tropical cove (Hmmm I gues that's because that's what it IS)
Anyway - I agree with the marriage sucks statement - I would be happy 
with a soul that doesn't feel a need for that sort of possession (which
is what I feel is the root of the problem with marriage).  But I'm not
gonna wear myself out looking so I just busy myself with learning about
me - which is a job! and what makes me tick.  Funny that I have no 
maintenance manual to tell me these things but there it is...
 
                                      --==>* JonBoy *<==--
 
(Lemmee know if you ever want some beach-stroll company - my idea of 
a relaxing time)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:38:03
Message Number  3319

Yeah...but it's still BORING! ---
 - 
Anyone ever tell you that you have this enviable ability to cut right
to the crux (that's the little bone between your ribs and heart!) of
the matter?  Yep!  Booooooooo r ing.....
 
--=={ JonBoy }==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:40:38
Message Number  3320

Whoooooo!  Baby!  Now THAT's serious - did you take the tip from a few 
message threads ago and make this B&D "cute" or is it just sordid?
 (t'would the Black in thy name be attached to a spider p'chance?)
 
     JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:43:36
Message Number  3321

THIS is the thread I wasa referring to !!!! Do ya Huh?  Now are those
cuffs the furlined or raw chrome?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:45:29
Message Number  3322

I would *KILL* for the ability to have this statement in C..
WITH SomePointer DO
I get tired as hell typing in outrageous pointers (a real example here)
ch = IO_card->shadowram.DREG->cur_val.last
 
See?  Even Pascal has a few good ideas...
 
          --==> * JonBoy * <==--
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:20:51
Message Number  3323

>>I wonder if Turtle ever hates himself...
 
>No.
 
  Got any tips on not hating myself?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: System Crash   
Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:35:37
Message Number  3324

 I was wondering what happened!!
 By the way, I do know what a watermellon looks like dropped off a 
building. As a matter of fact, I was watching that today.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping & Dave
Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:43:27
Message Number  3325

>It was a real neat-o experience.
 
  Is that all you can say? I had more to say about a trip to Disney 
World... Who were the quests on the show you saw?
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: REMOTE CONTROL 
Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:57:59
Message Number  3326

Yeah...300 is kinda slow. Ugh! 9600 makes for a lot more fun! :)
           The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Leaving        
Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:04:20
Message Number  3327

Hmm...just had a lesson in how my new keyboard works...Ugh!  I hate this
keyboard...it makes the most annoying little clicking sounds!  Oh well..
how was your evening?  Mine was on the boring and depressing side, but 
hey...what can one expect? :)  Hmmm....wish I could tell you I knew 
the end of the beach you are looking for is, but I've no earthly (or 
heavenly for the matter) idea.  :>  Well....more later, I guess. :)
                The Lady In Black
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:07:37
Message Number  3328

Great!  Life is on the boring side, but if it was exciting all the time,
I guess we'd have nothing to live for...
                  The lady in Black
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:12:37
Message Number  3331

Okay, okay....leave my mind alone.  I'm on vacation still and I have 
about half-dozen programs that I still have to write...UGH!  Pascal 
needs to rot in hell.
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: sleeping & Dave
Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:14:17
Message Number  3332

Good question...I slept through most of the show...I went with my boy-
friend and we'd been out all night.  Ummm...let me think...it was a 
stupid pet-tricks night, and there was the band, ummm...there was....
s**t, umm...can't think of the guys name, he was a regular for a while..
you know, the one who lived under the stairs!  Hmm...the real guest was 
some actor guy who I didn't recognize...or rather who I slept through.  
If I could remember names, I could tell you.  Ugh!!! If I can ever think
I'
Ugh!  I'll let you know....thinking....
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From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/01/90 10:33:41
Message Number  3335

>Date : May 5th    Start time : 1:00am
Sounds good to me---------------^^^^^^
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From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/01/90 10:38:19
Message Number  3336

>Damn you to a hellish place.
Please don't remind me I have to return to school on Monday!
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From: THE DOCTOR          
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Libertarianism 
Date & Time: 04/01/90 11:10:06
Message Number  3337

I think someone (not necessarily you) is confusinobsenity and porno.
Killing (again, just a personal opinion...) is obscene, while sex is
whatever anyone wants to classify . I consider a lot of things obscene
and very few of them would be (to me) pornographic, but then again I'm
not exactly a born again kinda guy. Snuff films, and being raised in Los
Angeles I've seen my share, are often both.....and incredably distastful
as wel.  I hpen to think that the death penalty is obscene and un-
civilized......
.
.
.
.      rwb......a future civilization will really wonder why we called
.               ourselves civilized.....
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From: SHADOWSPAWN         
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/01/90 11:57:49
Message Number  3338

I was rather drunk when I replyed last time. I dont know if I sent the m
message or not.
To bad I didnt see you last night but there is allways tonight. If you 
show up Ill be sure to let you know what you did. Since you only cast 
spells on evil people you must have used a charm on me. Im not evil just
a hard working thief.  .(Robin Hood type.) 
For a little r
Now for a little reality, Have you read the Theives world books?  My 
son  read them and nigave me my handle. SSo I read them and he was 
right. I look just like they describ Hanses. So now if you see me you w
will know me that is if you read  the  books. 
If  you cant tell Im boooooooorrrrreeeed out of my mind. Not a thing to 
and your the only person that seams to want to reply to my me{sages.. 
Maybe thats becouse of my speelllling or  something.  Ok Im felling
sorry for myself , Jimmy (son) dosent evan want anything to do with me 
today. Well thats enough for now.
     Down in the Dumps Shadow.
                   Shadowspawn
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From: SHADOWSPAWN         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: School         
Date & Time: 04/01/90 12:23:51
Message Number  3339

Just thought I would remind you that YOU have to go to school tomorrow. 
Beesides school is a Fun place too sleep. And sleeping is umber three o
on my list of things to do. But then I finished school without  learnin
g much. Like how to spell. Plus arnt there any nice looking women at sch
ool. I found it a lot easier to met people at  UsF then I do now. So sto
p bitching abought school Its the best years of your life.
             A Knave of a  Thief
                 Shadowspawn
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From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 12:42:20
Message Number  3340

Ok -- if you can get them onto MS-DOS format it'd be easier, as the two
major formats that Montezuma Micro CP/M /doesn't/ know are Apple CP/M
and Commodore 128 CP/M, due to the weird disk formats they use.  Also
the "major" CP/M type formats like Osborne, Kaypro 2/4/10, Ampro, etc.
are all readable (and actually easier than either MS-DOS or TRSDOS
disks when it comes to transferring them onto our CP/M format).
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: - The BBS -    
Date & Time: 04/01/90 14:28:50
Message Number  3341

Welp, I'm sure everyone has noticed that my BBS has been down for the
past week or so...My computer has broken and I haven't been in town to
pick it back up from Computers, Etc!...But I am back, and I /should/ 
have it back up on Monday or Tuesday....
 
IN OTHER NEWS -- Remote Control! will be moving to the Amiga /very/ soon
                 What does this mean?  It means I'll be running off of
                 Paragon BBS software, which allows me to FIDO...I'd 
                 like to know if there are any Furry or Fantasy type
                 echos out there that anyone would like me to hook into
                 if I figure I have enoughj money to do it, that is...
 
REMOTE CONTROL!  -[ An MSTF System ]-  813/378-2218  8-N-1-1200
                B A C K   A F T E R   T H I S   W E E K E N D !
 
-=*> Ken Ober <*=-
 
PS -- TURTLE!  Set your clock an hour ahead!!!!   :)
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From: YNGLING             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/01/90 16:34:27
Message Number  3342

>Start time : 1:00 am
1:00 AM? I hope thats a typo.
               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/01/90 16:36:03
Message Number  3343

Perhaps you were me in a former life?
                          The Yngling
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From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:27:08
Message Number  3344

>...handcuffs and stuff are more appealing...
 
Long as they're not those silly padded ones...or the nasty pin-and-
sproket kind you see at novelty shops all the time, which have an
unfortunate tendency to pop open rather easily. Of course, for 
convenience, portability, and discreetness, nothing beats a good pair
of thumbcuffs.
                   --A discreet Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:29:53
Message Number  3345

>I am a Pascal programmer...I didn't know it had strong points!
 
Of course Pascal has strong points! Why, for example, it isn't
COBOL...that alone must be worth something. And of course EVERYBODY
knows strong typing is better than that silly messy undeclared-
variable time...it forces you to be conformist, rigid in your
thinking, less creative, less spontaneous--all those important
things that every good programmer should aspire to.
                             --An assembly Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:34:09
Message Number  3346

If you can get me the disks in MS-DOS format, I can read 'em directly
and save the effort of uploading stuff...of course, I can only get
to stuff that's in the root directory, since my transfer program is a
really early version that can't reach down into sub-directories. It
would be better still if you could get 'em on Kaypro IV, Ampro Little
Board, or some other popular CP/M format...
                           --A CP/M Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:37:35
Message Number  3347

>Even Pascal has a few good ideas...
 
Fortunately, however, Niklaus Wirth realized that fact in time and
was able to remove them from Modula-2.
                       --A Wirth-less Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:38:30
Message Number  3348

>Got any tips on not hating myself?
 
Just say no.
               --A helpful Turtle
(I could ramble on at great length about making sure you don't have
unrealistic expectations about yourself, accepting the fact that you
are what you are and that you aren't going to be perfect, or realizing
that the only person with any final say about how you feel or what you
do is you--and therefore if you don't like something about yourself,
you are the ideal candidate to /change it./ But I won't...it would be
out of character.)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: System Crash   
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:41:03
Message Number  3349

>As a matter of fact, I do know what a watermelon looks like dropped
>off a building. I was watching it today.
 
So was I...unfortunately, I was watching it happen to my message base.
That wouldn't be what you were referring to, would it? Or is this one
of those weird synchronicity things that follows me around everywhere
like an overly affectionate puppy?)
                       --A synchronous Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE DOCTOR          
Subject: Libertarianism 
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:44:22
Message Number  3350

>...a future civilization will really wonder why we called ourselves
>civilized...
 
Probably not. Civilizations don't really advance; they just replace
simple social problems with increasingly complex and ambiguous ones.
That seems to be a trend that isn't likely to disappear in the
forseeable future.
                  --A social Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SHADOWSPAWN         
Subject: Shadows and <> 
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:47:01
Message Number  3351

Hanse Shadowspawn was one of the most interesting characters in the
early Theives' World books...that's probably why he was one of the
first major characters to disappear when the series started going
downhill. The books after #4 aren't even worth using as parakeet cage
liners. Kind of disappointing, since the first few were so good...
                       --A literate Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Damn Reptiles  
Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:50:14
Message Number  3352

Hey, Turtle, when are you going to set your clock an hour ahead, hmm?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SHADOWSPAWN         
Subject: School         
Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:29:57
Message Number  3355

>Plus arnt there any nice looking women at school.
Errr, none I'd go out with (cept maybe one, CYA, as I say).
>Beesides school is a Fun place too sleep.
1) If I sleep in school, I usually miss something.
2) Sleeping at school is difficult with people yelling "Stay awake now."
>So stop bitching abought school
That wasn't exactly bitching.  When I bitch, the whole world will know.
>Its the best years of your life.
I'll pass judgement when I hit, say, 80 or so.
And I'd say I've met just as many good friend out of the school
enviroment as I have in.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: - The BBS -    
Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:35:26
Message Number  3356

I know there is a furry echo.  That's all I know.  I'm sure
Donthen or Turtle will see your message and give you specific info like
names and where to pick the echos up.  Say, will this new software
include things like global read and save the messages just a tad
bit faster (ducking flying mouse).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: System Crash   
Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:38:45
Message Number  3357

RE: High impact watermelons.
Didn't David Letterman do that once?  Followed by a bag of flour he had
set on fire.  REAL nice.  We should do that some time.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: relaxed        
Date & Time: 04/01/90 22:46:48
Message Number  3362

I had to work on a gen-u-swine IBM termional once that felt like it 
was firing a 50 cal. machine gun everytime you pressed a key - it really
shocked my poor nervous system working on that damned thing.  My evening
has been pretty mundane.  Friday nite I went to my best friends house 
for his birthday party - I took him and his wife to Alvarez at the Quay
last nite - then I stayed up till 4 calling my friends and favorite BBS'
in California.  Downloaded a lot of new stuff - mostly programming stuf.
Tonite I had to pay the piper by preparing meals for the coming week
(a disadvantage of  being single) and cleaning up my mess.  I went out
side with the intent of playing my 12 string in a cool spot but the
neighbors decided to have a domestic squabble.  Made me glad and sad in
the same moment.  Now I'm talking to you (provisionally speaking oops
these damned metaphors in the modern media! - of course) and listening
to King Crimson.  Shortly I will bow to the fact I won't be worth a shit
tomorrow if I don't get some sleep and wander off to the couch.  Oh yeah
I forgot another exciting part of the evening - calculating my moving
expenses for taxes (due too soon!)
The beach I speak of is right at the bridge between Cochina Beach and
Longboat Key.  Cochina being south of Bradenton Beach.
Sigghhhh - I need to do something fun... any ideas?
 
        --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Rot            
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:01:41
Message Number  3363

Now that brings up several questions: (I love prying***!)
On vacation from what....
What kind of programs do you have to write?
Why don't you use something useful/less-painful?
What kind of system do you work on? (maybe I have something useful/
less-painful) 
Thought for the decade - you could be doing this in COBOL (my idea of
hell anyday!)
wishing you the best...
--=>JonBoy<=--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: CP/M           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:10:01
Message Number  3364

Ok as soon as I find my list (that'll make it much easier!) must admit
that it isn't REAL high on my priority list but I NEVER forget.  By the
way there is a board in California that still has tons of CP/M stuff - 
now if I can find THAT number!!! Actually it should be in my Apple term
program as I called it all the time - something CAVE was the name. If
there is a real need on your part I could stir my bod just a tad harder 
to get started - otherwise when I get around to peering into that box
of stuff is when it will get done.
 
--==( JOnBoy)==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: UCSD           
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:16:33
Message Number  3365

Don't forget Lilith!!!  Actually I kinda like Modula-2 EXCEPT!!!!!!!!
Why oh why did the cretin-of-an-ivory-tower-paragon make all of the I/O
like Read and Write seperate from each other and incapable of accepting
variabel numbers of arguments?  ARgggghhhh!  I guess he got tired of the
jibes from his peers about Pascals strong typing and then it ignores it'
own rules when it comes down to doing I/O with the real world.  There 
really IS a lesson there!
 
         --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:21:28
Message Number  3366

Whew!  Thank Ghod you didn't...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: System Crash   
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:22:45
Message Number  3367

Syncronicity?  Nah maybe percipacity.  Besides you said it was a sticky
glob and waternelon seeds are slippery.
 
        A Pysmatic and vocabulariferous JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: School         
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:26:26
Message Number  3368

Everyday is a learning environment - may as well be in school as out
for the difference made - personally I *like* school and wish I could
be a full time student (actually I was this time last year!).
 
			                          A philosophical JonBoy
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:34:28
Message Number  3369

Great, but leave three more "Mythagoras" with Turtle.  I hate to admit
this publicly, but Turtle and I are practically neighbors.  I should be
able to get them from him no problem.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Gee.....       
Date & Time: 04/02/90 00:11:57
Message Number  3371

Hmm... Guess it even works over the board!  _Very_ spectacular.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/02/90 00:42:21
Message Number  3372

Sadistic wench today?  Remind me to run in terror next time I see you.
              \/-
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Pictures       
Date & Time: 04/02/90 01:47:17
Message Number  3373

     Actually Rufus, I don't know.  I have seen Steph, but she has not 
mentioned the pictures.  Oh I guess it was Jill's camera.  In any case
neither one of them has mentioned it to me.  I guess I will have to 
mention it to them.  Thanks for reminding me.  As soon as I find 
something out I will get back to you on it.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: +ALL+               
Subject: System Crash II
Date & Time: 04/04/90 00:28:23
Message Number  3375

Well, the system went down again today; unfortunately, fixing it ment
restoring a backup copy of the message base, which was one day (and
about seventy messages) old. Every message posted on 02/04 was lost.
It appears that constant operation for the last several months without
a single break has caused a few problems with one of the disk drives;
the drives are in desperate need of cleaning and realignment. Therefore,
aLTER rEALITY will probably be going offline in the near future for
system maintenance; probably for about two days. I will try to post
a message in the logon screen telling you about this before it happens.
In any event, while AR is down the modem will probably be connected to
another computer running a simple host/feedback program; I may be
around for chatting, but you won't be able to read or post any messages.
More on this as it degenerates.
                         --An overworked Turtle
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:04:20
Message Number  3377

Why the hell would /anyone/ go to Illinois voluntarily?!? (Just having
got back himself) It's either too cold or two hot there.. and in general
the whole state sucks!
                            - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:20:08
Message Number  3378

The reason people are "so fascinated" with Hewlett Packard's laser 
printers is quite simple, they cost about one fourth the price of a 
Postscript printer, will print a 20 page document that uses only 3 
different fonts (which is fairly common, if you know what you're doing)
almost twice as fast as Apple's slow $8,000+ Laserwriter IINTX. The
HP Laserjet III has variable size dots and anti aliasing routines which
boost the output quality to a 400dpi level, scalable fonts, and HPGL/2 -
plotter graphics language support with a street price of under $1,700.
An "upgrade" to postscript will come in the form of a cartridge, (with
2 Meg of internal memory recommended) for ~$600. Frankly I don't know
of anybody but LaserMaster who can top HP for price vs. resolution and
speed.  LaserMaster makes a 1000x1000dpi typesetter that comes w/ 201
scaleable typefaces which will print Mixed text and Graphics at better
than 7 pages a minute.. all for the same price as Apples IINTX - $8,000.
Postscript - "Just say Slo!"  (TM) - LaserMaster Corp.
 
	 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:44:08
Message Number  3379

Or pretty close anyway.. BTW - Did you go the the Rush concert about
a month back?
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: System Crash II
Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:59:13
Message Number  3380

Bummer - you sure you and Donthen haven't pissed off a powerful multi-
dimensional entity that is bound to squeeze you hard (not to mention 
dropping peanut butter in your hard-disk)? 
 
              --=> JonBoy <=--
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:08:27
Message Number  3381

>Why the hell would /anyone/ go to Illinois voluntarily?
 
I had a load of laundry that I didn't really feel like doing, so I did
it up there. On the way back I stopped at the Jack Daniels' distillery
in Tennesee (okay, so it wasn't /quite/ on the way, but I found myself
there, so figured what the hell); it was really interesting, and much
better than Howard the Duck, too.
                             --A hard-driving Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:10:54
Message Number  3382

>Postscript - "Just say Slo!"
 
Uh, I don't know where you got your information, dude, but if you're
just printing pure text PostScript is about 2% /faster/ than HP's
laser printers. Besides, if you don't have PostScript you might as
well save the bucks and buy a nice, cheap daisy wheel; for any sort of
intensive graphics work at all (which is the ONLY reason I would ever
own a laser printer; using them for nothing but text and line graphics
is kind of silly) your serious choices are PostScript or PostScript.
                       --A PostScript Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:13:46
Message Number  3383

>Did you go to the Rush concert about a month back?
 
Yes.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: System Crash II
Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:14:17
Message Number  3384

Now that you mention it, Donthen did kind of annoy God by beating him in
twelve straight games of Laser Defense, but I didn't think God was
/that/ bad a loser. I don't know what I would have done to annoy any
powerful divine beings, but you never can tell...
                        --A placid Turtle
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/05/90 01:55:59
Message Number  3385

But what about doing more interesting things... like picking the lint
out of your bellybutton, in more interesting places, like Boysie, Idaho?
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/05/90 01:57:44
Message Number  3386

Wrong-oh buddy... 1 - download 12 & 18 pt Times Roman, 10 pt Helvetica
(for footnotes) all of which are proportional fonts.. (n/a on a daisy
wheel printer) /and then/ churn out 20 pages which use those fonts 
faster than a Laserwriter can scale the fonts and print the pages.
 
If you're /really/ doing high level Desktop Publishing, 300dpi isn't 
going to cut it anyway... and you're definitely not going to want for
a postscript printer to turn out your mixed text/graphics stuff.
For someone who seems to hate overpriced and inefficient standards, I'm
surprised that you support Postscript..  An HP laserjet II w/ a LX6 
professional card will give you all the features of postscript, and 
up to 800x800 dpi resolution(depends upon how much RAM is on the card)
including font scaling(of course) rotation,shading,outlining, a choice
of opaque or transparency (not available w/ postscript) you can even
specify crosshatched characters if you want (or any other fill pattern)
it provides all the power, and over (way over) twice the speed of Post-
script for almost half the price. I understand Raster Devices also makes
a very similar card but doesn't provide (to my knowledge) the 201 
typefaces (all scalable) which come w/ all the LaserMaster cards.
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/05/90 02:18:19
Message Number  3387

Where were your seats? I was about 15-20 rows back.. I won them from 
95ynf - I was quite a happy man.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/05/90 07:05:36
Message Number  3390

  ***News***
  
  Remote Control is now back up on the 128D for a limited time only! 
Call now! I hope this satisfies those of us who like the board. Get a 
last look at this board before a barand new one takes its place!
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:15:06
Message Number  3392

Turtle,
Is the JD distillery still in a "dry" county?  I went there years ago
and was shocked (putting it mildly) to discover that not only didnt
they give free samples, but I couldnt even /buy/ a drink.
                        The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Sorry...       
Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:20:31
Message Number  3393

Sorry I didnt make it to Mickey's the other night to pay my bar bill
but I got a last minute call (as I was going out the door) that kept
me occupied into the wee hours of the a.m.. I love my job, I love my job
, I love my job................
                               The Yngling
P.S. I'll get it to you ASAP.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: $%#&@#$$/      
Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:24:39
Message Number  3394

Dear Lady,
   Due to Turtle's misfortune I now do not know if you got my last msg.
Did you? :)
             The Yngling
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: song           
Date & Time: 04/05/90 18:36:14
Message Number  3395

 New cities by the sea
 Skyscrapers are winking
 Some hills are never seen
 The universe expanding
 We're gazing out to sea
 Blue dolphins are singing
 Minds swim in ecstacy
 Clear planet, ever free
 
 Topaz...
 Our hearts are travelling faster
 Topaz...
 Faster than the speed of love
 Topaz...
 Straight through a tear in the clouds
 Topaz...
 Up to the heavens above
 
 
  I really like this song... I won't tell what it is, though. Anyone 
like the lyrics?
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Gee.....       
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:26:04
Message Number  3399

:)  Hello....I do suppose your right...How is everything?  I appologize 
for not having replied any sooner...it has been a busy week...please
forgive...and send my regards to Barb.
      The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:27:22
Message Number  3400

Thanks!  I hope you won't run in terror, I promise not to hurt you....
but then again...(just kidding!)
        The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: System Crash II
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:28:23
Message Number  3401

And to think, you'd suspect it is I, Black Magic, who'd cause such an
EVIL thing to happen....the next time I see you, I will most definitely
come prepared to cast a spell....
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: $%#&@#$$/      
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:32:07
Message Number  3402

I sure didn't...I would still love to borrow those books from you, but
I figure by the time either one of us actually devises a working plan, 
I will be too old and have lost my eyesight to read them!  I love school
I love school...my, my, I sound like you, now. (evil laugh)  If thou
hasn't misplaced thy number, and thou hath an idea, rather a free moment
thy wouldn't mind to heareth from thou....hmm....I don't like the way 
all that came out, but you get the idea...BTW, did you ever read Les
Miserables?  IT WAS EXCELLENT....just do it...(NIKE)...but really, read
it!
         The lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: song           
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:36:19
Message Number  3403

I like the lyrics, but I would like it better if I knew who it was, so
as to be able to purchase a copy of it...if it is available....I'd
appreciate it if you filled me in on it....
      :),
          The Lady In Black
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Sorry...       
Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:55:23
Message Number  3404

Repeat after me ... sounds like my mantra after a hard days work.
Hmm I thought they (mantra'a) were all supposed to be different.
Actually this week has been orgasmic (if such a nice word can be applied
to work) (and - no, I don't want to hear all the obvious themes on that
particular association) now where was I ?? Oh yeah - the big turd - I 
mean boss sez that no overtime - wow!!!! You guys know that the sun 
really does shine and birds sing in the *real* world?  It's been so long
it seems abnormal to see and experience these things...  
 
             --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Hugo's there?  
Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:01:54
Message Number  3405

A Lady after my own heart - do me a favor and try to find the video.  I 
can honestly say that even having read the book the video is a most 
moving experience!  I have tried to find it on occasion (I keep telling
my best friend how excellent it is!) but can't find it down in Port 
Charlotte or surrounding area.  Yeah - makes you feel grateful after
condidering what that poor bastard went thru - ...  SO tell me...
howcum you been feelin so down lately?  I've noticed you taking pokes at
yerself the last couple of weeks - doesn't the world do enuf without you
beating on yourself?
 
                      --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: LL                  
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:08:35
Message Number  3406

I've decided to broaden my already extensive musical tastes even more.
"New Age", "Fusion" etc really went stale a few years back but the
other day I was given a sampler CD by NARADA.  WOW!!!!  Some of the new
artists really deserve a round of applause.  I went out and bought one
by a guy named David Lanz - Great stuff.  I've always liked artists like
Vangelis (especially the ones he made with his friend Jon Anderson 
of YES), Kitaro, Jean Michael Jarre and Jean Luc Ponty.
Anyone else have any favorites in this musical realm that I might enjoy?
I also have quite a Blues, Jazz, Rock-n-Roll and classical collection
but most (sighhh are still in storage).
 
                   --={ JonBoy }=--
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:16:42
Message Number  3407

HP LaserJets are about 60% the price of a PostScript printer, not 25%.
A LaserWriter IINTX will print a 20 page document that uses only 3
different fonts at around 15 pages per minute; take my word for it--I
spent about a week shoving 75 documents through a IINTX several times
over.  The LaserJet II can only do that at 10 pages a minute when it
has a strong wind at its back.  PostScript only bogs down when you give
it lots of graphics or font changes.
    The LaserJet III impresses me a fair amount, but its language is
still--by Hewlett Packard's own admission--not as advanced as PostScript
is.  For office work, an HP is fine; for publishing, it isn't.  The
difference between HP's PCL and Adobe PostScript is roughly the same as
the difference between Forth and .BAT files: you can do a lot with .BAT
files, to be sure, but it ain't a programming language.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:24:17
Message Number  3408

You might also look up Mike Oldfield, if you haven't already.  And, for
less "techy" classical/folk/rock fusion, Renaissance is very good, if
sometimes a little pretentious (also extremely hard to find now,
although their first two albums are available as a double-length CD).
Their lead singer also recently released a self-titled solo album,
"Annie Haslam," which is kind of pop but pretty impressive.  Anyone with
a five octave range impresses me to begin with, of course... the album
was produced by Larry Fast, who was the producer/songwriter/etc. for
Synergy, another fusion-type group you might have heard of....
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Gee.....       
Date & Time: 04/06/90 00:12:30
Message Number  3409

Everything going ok.  Lost our bird, and had it returned, Watts is
thinking of moving in, and Barbara is moving to Venice.  Just got back
from Perkins (where I drank too much coffee, as usual), and am feeling
just a wee bit :> bounceful.  All in all its been an interesting week,
and I hope that the next few calm down (but is is _very_ unlikely that
they will).
               -A Bouncing Bird-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/06/90 00:20:58
Message Number  3410

AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHH!!! (patter, patter.....)
 [Exit stage right]
 
Hmm.  Oh, do you still have Oversoul 7's address?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:06:51
Message Number  3411

I used to live near Boisie, Idaho. Unless you're a potato, Boisie is
about as interesting as a Late Show rerun from 1972 being displayed on
a three-inch portable TV with a broken speaker at an insurance seminar
in Plains, Georgia in an unairconditioned room in mid-June.
                   --A non-vegetative Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:09:50
Message Number  3412

Section C, Row 17, giving me a spectacular view of Neil Peart doing
his stuff...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:11:14
Message Number  3413

Yep, the JD distillery is still in a dry county, and is likely to
be that way for quite some time. The county doesn't have the population
to call for a referendum to change things...kinda dumb, huh? I thought
Prohibition was something everyone had pretty well given up on as being
a legal disaster 'bout sixty years ago, but I guess not...
                  --A non-dry Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: NOBODY, REALLY      
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:18:30
Message Number  3414

I spent about half an hour today listening to a song by the Indigo
Girls over and over, just before I went to work. The reason I was
doing this thing was to try to unwind a beastly complex guitar
section with several different themes superimposed on one another,
without notable success. The problem with this behavior was the fact
that I engaged in it just before going to work. Upon arriving at
work, I was subjected to pop music--a singularly painful transition.
After listening to music like the Indigo Girls, I go through a
refractory period where I really can't take most music, because it
ends up sounding really simplistic and crude. A piece of music
in which there are two distinct themes, each theme of which has a
direct 1:1 mapping phrase by phrase onto the other and each of which
is capable of acting as a harmony for the other, impresses me.
"He's a cold hearted snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake" does not. The transition from
the former to the latter in ten minutes' time is an assault upon my
audial association cortex. Paula Abdul doesn't "do" complex music,
or complex thinking, for that matter. Oh well...at least I didn't suffer
the ignomy of being forced to listen to "Ooh I've got your girlfriend,
uh-uh I've got your girlfriend" at high volumes with mondo bass
distortion (yes, now you too can get 7% Total Harmonic Distortion for
a mere seven hundred dollars!), as has been known to happen in the
past...
                    --A digressing Turtle
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:34:41
Message Number  3415

What price are you using for the LaserWriter IINTX? I'm using the price
quoted by Elek-Tek in chicago last week for the HPIII - a little less
than $1,600 multiply that by 4 = 6,400.. and while I haven't been in the
market for one, I thought IINTX's were there or above.
Anyway, if you can do everything that needs to be done w/ .BAT files, 
and you will probably be able to buy a Forth compiler for 1/10th the
price in a couple of years, I'd stick w/ the trusty batch files and
keep watching the developments. 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:40:19
Message Number  3416

Which makes it about ten times more interesting than central Illinois.
 
                          - Corwyn (A /former/ Illinoisian)
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:41:54
Message Number  3417

Hmm.. I ought to introduce you to my roommate sometime.. he's a drummer
and very snobbish about it.. think's he can do everything Neil Peart 
does w/o breaking a sweat.. maybe he can, but I'll stay sceptical.. what
the hell, he's a nice guy other than that though.. (my roommate I mean)
 
 ^^ WoW! take a look at that rambling non-grammatical stucture!! Sheesh!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: song           
Date & Time: 04/06/90 17:38:50
Message Number  3418

 Okay, the song is "Topaz" by the B-52's... I didn't want to say who did
the song because I knew a lot of people here would hate it as soon as 
they saw "B-52's"... I think it's an excellent song, and it's nothing 
like "Love Shack" or "Roam".
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/06/90 17:59:26
Message Number  3419

  A term that has recently entered into my mind is "dry county". Can you
expand further on the meaning of what it is? I hadn't heard it until 
recently, and I am curious...
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/06/90 18:07:57
Message Number  3420

> if you can do everything that needs to be done w/ .BAT files,
 
This is true.  However, I should take issue with your '300x300 dpi is
not suitable for serious publishing' comment.  That is commonly held, 
but there have been books like "Whalesong" published using actual
run-of-the-mill LaserWriters that have won all sorts of design awards
in the publishing industry.  Also, for "serious" publishing, the only
page description languages you're likely to find in use are PostScript,
and if they're using non-PS mainframe systems, TeX and Scribe (TeX is
set up to use Compugraphic outline fonts, and I suspect Scribe does,
too, although I'm not sure).  Do recall that PostScript is a completely
descriptive language and is completely hardware independent: it is not
a 300x300 dpi language.  Most non-PS laser printers for micros have to
use their own languages to do more than 300 dpi resolution, but if you
have a Macintosh, PageMaker and a PostScript driver, you can connect
it to a Linotype typesetter with an effective resolution of 2540x2540
dpi.
    I suspect once Phoenix Technologies' PostScript clone gets put into
use--removing the biggest monetary cost for the language (i.e., Adobe's
license fee)--it'll be in use a lot more.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/07/90 01:45:24
Message Number  3421

 Just seems that I am wasting time. I should be asleep, but I'm not a 
bit tired. Jeez, it's quite pathetic... at least I'm not hating myself.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/07/90 02:09:10
Message Number  3422

We're BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
 
That's right...REMOTE CONTROL! The BBS is BACK ONLINE!  Give us a
call today!
 
813/378-2218 -=- 8-N-1-1200 -=- 24 Hours -=- -[ An MSTF System ]-
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: lists....      
Date & Time: 04/07/90 03:11:18
Message Number  3424

I'm very suspicious of ANYBODY who claims to be able to do what 
Neil Peart does without breaking a sweat...I'm sorry, but I used to be
a drummer, and that man impresses the hell out of me. Neil Peart
manages to do things that any rational person would swear are simply
impossible.
              --A not so easily impressed Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/07/90 03:13:09
Message Number  3425

A dry county is a county where it is against the law to sell, buy,
or consume alcoholic beverages. There are a few scattered areas of the
country, notably in the deep south, where Prohibition is still in
effect; the county where Jack Daniels is distilled and produced is
one of them.
                     --A confused Turtle
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:33:29
Message Number  3426

One of those places is Taccoa Georgia where I was stuck for six monthes
setting up a new machine manufacturing plant. Can you imagine, the only
resturaunt in town was a Pizza Hut and you couldn't even get a beer with
your pizza. Every Friday night, we would make a run to a store just 
outside the county line and buy stuff for about thirty people. Boy, if
we would of gotten caught with all that stuff in Toccoa........wheh!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:36:43
Message Number  3427

Hope so, I'm tired of seeing that garbage run across my screen....
*&^(OU(U**()*(OH&^%*()*))_()_&**^&^$%&)&)(*()_*_*)_*_)*_&&^%(TR^&(
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:39:52
Message Number  3428

>"He's a cold hearted snaaaaaaaaaaaake"......
  
    You mean there is another kind? Paula Abdul may not "do" complex
music, but I don't think many people "watch" her for her musical talents
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:41:56
Message Number  3429

oTay gang, The Road Rally is ON. They rally will start at 1:00 pm on
Saturday afternoon in the parking lot behind Klockner-Bartelt (formerly
Rexham Corp.) at the intersection of DeSoto Road and North Washington
Blvd (301) on Mar 5th. There will be trophies for the first three 
finishers and a Bar-B-Q (just dogs an' stuff) at the finish. There will
be a five ($5) per person entry fee to cover the cost of the trophies 
and the food. There will be about twenty locations and plenty of help.
Anyone wishing to donate some food to the cook-out can (please). I AM
OFFICIALLY ASKING FOR SIGN-UPS.....ANYBODY WANT TO TEAR HELL OUT OF
CENTRAL SARASOTA WITH US?????????.......sssssssSNAKEBYTE  .    .
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/07/90 12:18:29
Message Number  3430

  I will defitely be in the Road Rally, I will be on Tyler Robinson 
(Ken Ober)'s team (I think)...
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/07/90 12:34:25
Message Number  3431

> Just seems that I am wasting time. I should be asleep, but I'm not a
> bit tired. Jeez, it's quite pathetic... at least I'm not hating
> myself.
 
Well, that's a step up, I suppose.  Hey, at least it's not as much of a
waste of time as quoting back your entire message by hand.  I need to
write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quote thing automatically, ya know?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:17:12
Message Number  3432

>...I don't think many people "watch" [Paula Abdul] for her musical
>talents
 
The fact that she doesn't have any may have something to do with that...
Still, her music is singularly annoying to anybody who doesn't happen
to be blessed with tone deafness.
                   --A non-tone-deaf Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:19:40
Message Number  3433

Count me in, dude! The road ralley sounds like one of the more
entertaining things you can do with a motor vehicle, and it has the
added advantage of being legal, too.
                   --A VW Turtle
(Anyone interested in navigating with me in RoboMouse??)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:21:23
Message Number  3434

>I need to write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quote thing automatically,
>ya know?
 
You need to write BYE4, Daisies, REORG, TRIS, and FurBytes #2, ya know?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 02:28:19
Message Number  3437

> I need to write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quoting automatically...
 
  That would be great. Have you made any progress on it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Paradox        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 02:31:08
Message Number  3438

  Okay, everyone, I have a challenge. I want you to read and understand
an essay in the May issue of Starlog. It's called "The Return Of The 
Other Marty McFly". Before I go further, yes, this IS about "Back to the
Future".  It's presented as a school report, and check out the purpose!
 "We'll not only be searching for mutltiple Martys, we'll be seing 
alternate futures, alternate presents, alternate pasts, alternate 
/alternate/ futures, quadruple DeLoreans, umpteen Einsteins and more Doc
Browns than even /we/ can keep track of."
  And check something like THIS out!
 "As the time chart...shows, even though we only saw [one] reality at 
the [first] film's end, /both/ realities continued to exist-since 
nothing happened to bring them back together..."
  Or THIS!
 "But most importantly, it /also/ means that Doc has been committed to 
an insane asylum-before he could invent the DeLorean time machine!
  So, Doc, Marty, and Jennifer have travelled into the future in a time
machine that was never even invented!"
 
  Well, I found this 6 1/2 page article a nice piece of altered reality.
It's amusing reading, too. I just want to see if anyone can UNDERSTAND 
it all! Also, if you CAN read and understand it all, I have a 260 block 
file on Star Trek warp propulsion you can help me understand... I can't 
make it past page one.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Wyvern's Den   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 05:21:17
Message Number  3439

What's up?
The number is disconnected and I haven't heard anything... I was gone 
for a week, so I might have missed something, but is the Wyvern's Den 
dead forever????
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: NERISSA             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HOWDY PARTENER 
Date & Time: 04/08/90 09:56:13
Message Number  3440

HEY, SORRY YOU DIDN'T GO WE DID. IT WAS BORING BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T BOWL 
EITHER. WE CHATTED WITH EVERYONE THERE THEN WE ALL WENT TO THE CLOCK
TO HAVE A DRINK AND TALK SOME MORE. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS HOPING TO MEET YA
AFTER ALL THIS TIME OF CHATTING WITH YA!!! OH WELL, MAYBE NEXT TIME HUH?
DO YOU CALL WHISPER'S AT ALL? 
WONDERING BECAUSE WE DO ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S A GOOD CHATTING BOARD.
LOTS OF PEOPLE OFF FROM SPACE AGE TOO.
HERE'S THE NUMBER IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT BY A CHANCE: 794-5594
TILL NEXT TIME EAT A FRY FOR ME!!!!:)
NIS
OR
LADY X
===========

From: NERISSA             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A REAL TURTLE  
Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:03:20
Message Number  3441

YOU ARE A DIFFERENT KIND OF GUY.  I CAN BE NASTY TOO, FIRST THING IN 
THE MORNING IS THE WORST TIME!!!!  BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AM AN EASY
PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH!:)
WELL THE SUN IS OUT TODAY SO I AM GOING TO BE IN IT ALL DAY LONG!
TILL  NEXT TIME TURTLE BE HAPPY!:)
===========

From: NERISSA             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: INTEREST       
Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:06:40
Message Number  3442

WELL, I'LL START WITH WORK. I AM A RECEPTIONIST AT STAR PRODUCTIONS F
TIME FROM 9 TO 5 FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
I GRADUATED IN 88' FROM SARASOTA HIGH.  I GOT MARRIED AT 19 TO WONDERFUL
HUSBAND THAT WORKS AT AQUA SOFT AND GOES TO MCC AT NIGHT.
I LOVE TO BBS, TALK ON THE PHONE , GO TO THE MALL AND SIT ON THE BENCH
TO GET A GOOD LAUGH AT  THE SIGHTS OF PASSBYERS, SHOP TILL I DROP,
FLY KITES, DANCE IS MY BEST THING TO DO!!! THAT ABOUT COVERS IT ON HOBBY
TYPE THINGS. I AM A HAPPY TYPE OF PERSON THAT ENJOYS LIFE TILL THE
END AND NOONE GETS ME DOWN!!:)
HOW ABOUT YOU?
HAVE TO GET MY BUTT TO THE BEACH TO CATCH SOME RAYS, GOT TO KEEP THE 
BIKINI AREA TAN;)  AND SOME OTHER PLACES THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO MY
HUBBY!!!
SEE YA NEXT TIME!!!!!
NIS
===========

From: NERISSA             
To: YNGLING             
Subject: ?              
Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:14:18
Message Number  3443

YOU ARE ONLY AS OLD AS YOU FEEL AND AGE IS NOT BAD!!!!
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHO YOU WERE IF I KNEW YOU FROM ANY OTHER BBS THAT
I'VE BEEN ON .
CURIOUS GORGE I GUESS IF IM BEING NOSEY JUST TELL ME AND I'LL STOP 
ASKING SO MANY Q'S!!!:) JUST BEING A FRIEND OR TRYING ANYWAY.
TILL NEXT TIME KEEP THE CHIN UP AND THE SMILE ON THE FACE!!!!!
NIS
===========

From: MISS ELAINE NIUS    
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:17:30
Message Number  3444

I'll navigate... on two conditions:
  1) That the tranny is fixed by then
  2) That I don't have to DRIVE!
 
 
P.S. Hi to anybody who remembers me from a few years back...
 
>>> MISS ELAINE NIUS <<<
 
(And "Here I Am" to those who don't!)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:36:08
Message Number  3445

I like her videos.  Just hit the mute button and you don't have to put
up with that music (now, if we could just make a mute button that worked
on low-riders...)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:38:13
Message Number  3446

Well, sign me and Zot (who's Zot you ask? Don't.) up.  I could make my
famous Sugar Coma Brownies if you'd like.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:43:58
Message Number  3448

Ohmuhgawd!!  I just left <<<<shudder>>> Utah a year ago and still have
nightmarers that someone will make me go back.  I've been to Boise and
it ain't much different.  I'm just as glad to be back home in the south.
 
                A Southerly JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:49:45
Message Number  3449

The term dry county refers to an area whereby the inhabitants profess
not to indulge in the evils of alcohol and thereby prohibit the
selling of said alcoholic beverages within their domain.  You can spot
these arid oasis' by a proliferation of liquor stores on ANY section of
public or private road that crosses into a non-dry county.  AS
As a interesting side-light, the local gendarmes and other local 
officials are usually the major uphoalders of the laws that keep the
county dry - reason?  There is a lot of money to be made in running
moonshine and other alcoholic beverages.  Y'see... these folks actually
figured out that prohibition was very very good for clandestine business
opportunities - not so dumb if you think about it.
 
                 -==> JonBoy <==-
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:58:43
Message Number  3450

Yeah - the cost is the big thing - I still have a lawyer checking out
Adobe's stipulations on the use of PostScript to see if I can "program
around it".  Another outrageous (and I mean outrageous) publishing
gimmick is the BitStream fonts at $250 a pop... Get real!  At that price
I'll carve my own lead letters and build a print press.  Sheeeeeiiiiitt!
I do like PostScript tho - the slowness comes from the interpreter that
has to be built into each printer (HP uses a cartridge).  For the first
copy it has to build a bit map in memory of the sheet.  By definition
any lines, curves or whathaveyou overlays whatever was there before.
This is why the first copy is kinda slow - for 2 or more pages the 
printer can crank 'em out at full speed.  More and more graphics images
are being done in Encapsulated PostScript (EPS). I got a couple of megs
of this stuff with a new package called Corel DRAW! the other day.  It's
for the IBM of course (whadda waste!). I had to break down and buy yet
another system this weekend - I picked up a barebones 286 from Amelia
with a VGA display and am getting a 100 meg hard disk from a friend in
Ft Meyers.  I DO love the purty colors!  I gotta get rid of some of this
junk....
                              A Swamped JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:10:49
Message Number  3451

Whaddya mean "used to be".  I never met a musician that simply quit.
I took a break from guitar for about 2 years once but am not back at it
with a vengance (like 2 12 strings and 4 electrics!).  Sorry but the
desire to make music is an ingrained structure of your psyche...  I bet
you tap on the pots and pans subconsiously when you cook....
 
                    A Rhythmic JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:14:33
Message Number  3452

Not 'Zactly - you are allowed to consume in the privacy of your own 
home and you can transport it to your home (from wherever) for this
purpose - anything else and you have to be in the local good-ol-boy
network.
                          JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:17:37
Message Number  3453

Oh yeah?  Listen to the slander rags (and I place "People" in their
number now) and you would think that she is the greatest entertainer
since Sammy Davis Jr.  Sorry - I really do like most kinds of music
but most "Dance" (ala Disco) music is simply a beat that you can move to
nothing more.  It doesn't lighten your soul, mellow your mood, stir the
senses or manifest itself in your life in any other way than a desire
to get sweaty...
                               A toe-tapping JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:23:34
Message Number  3454

I would be happy with recognizing the TAB key!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: NERISSA             
Subject: HOWDY PARTENER 
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:29:34
Message Number  3455

Why don't you chat here?  The natives are friendly and it costs no more
than a phone call - the natives are also delightfully droll and
very outspoken.... 
 
                            JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: MISS ELAINE NIUS    
Subject: Hi!            
Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:33:37
Message Number  3456

Hi!!!!  You mean Turtle has had the VW that long?
(I used to race them and consider VW's to be temporary transpotation)
So if you were on a few years back - where 'ya been?  Enquiring
denizens of aLTERED rEALITY wanna know.
 
         JonBoy
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/08/90 14:29:52
Message Number  3457

Well, the reason was because there was no software...I just had the
modem answer the phone to let people know that the BBS is still up,
and that I haden't died, and so that the phone ringing wouldn't drive
everyone in my house crazy!  :)   
 
The drive still is causing a few minor problems, and I have to ask 
Turtle about them.....It looks as if when I get the BBS running off
of the AMiga, I'll be able to hook into these echos:
 
The Eagle's Nest
Multiversal Party Line
Other Suns
Furry Echo
Furry Bios
Thank God Its Furry
Furry Tech
Furry Magazines
 
If anyone wants a specific echo, please let me know!  Also, does anyone
know who the local FIDO host here in town is?  I know it /used/ to be
Rendez-Vous, but they went down...I have been told that is the 
Above Board, which is still up, but the guy in California says the
official updated FIDO list says AUB is, but the number he gave me that
the list had seems to be disconnected -- Doies anyone know the correct
number for AUB?  Thanks....
 
On to more important things, who all is showing at the ROAD RALLY, and
has anyone planned teams yet?
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: NERISSA             
Subject: Howdy Back     
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:37:20
Message Number  3459

'Fraid I don't call Whisper's...or any other pay-for-access BBS. If I
pay for access to a system, it had better be /real/ impressive--like,
say, a DECsystem-20/60 or a VAX 9000. Spending money to talk to people
seems kind of silly to me. (So does he use the telephone, or what? never
mind...) You'll have to pardon me; I'm in a REALLY weird mood today.
Talk to you later...
                     --An open-access Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: NERISSA             
Subject: A REAL TURTLE  
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:39:37
Message Number  3460

I'm always happy, except when I'm not. It's strange--sometimes my mood
is the same as it is at other times, and then sometimes it's different.
I hate when that happens. I'm going to stop typing now...I'm not
making any sense.............................................
          --A desufnoc Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MISS ELAINE NIUS    
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:42:47
Message Number  3461

Well, the tranny will probably still be dead by the time of the road
ralley, but hey, it's just the thing for that extra air of excitement...
you know, "Will the intrepid VWers make it to the finish line, or will
the car explode with the force of a thousand tons of TNT, sending them
all into low earth orbit where they will be mistaken for incoming ICBM's
and end civilization as we know it?" I like uncertainty in my life.
                     --An uncertain Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG TIME    
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:45:53
Message Number  3462

>I'm just as glad to be back home in the south.
 
I can understand that. The deep south has so much to offer...
camaraderie, huge pickups with gun racks in the back, large men who
grin and nod a lot and like to sit in bars shouting insults at women,
religious fanaticism, burning crosses, redneck cops who pull you
over and say things like "Y'all be in a heap lot of trouble now, boy!"
...and grits. (Sorry if I seem kind of nasty; I'm really not all that
fond of this particular area of the country. Places that are known more
for the number of books they ban in public schools than for their
weather bother me...)
                      --A distressed Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:51:49
Message Number  3463

>I gotta get rid of some of this junk....
 
Psst! Wanna swap two complete Z-80 systems for a 68000 S-100 card or
a CP/M-86 machine?? (snicker)
 
I know what you mean, though...I'm getting a new SB-180 Z-system
machine on Monday, and there's this guy who keeps trying to sell me
an Osborne 2 CP/M-80 system...I think Crystal's about to put her
foot down...
               --A megacomputing Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:54:51
Message Number  3464

>I bet you tap on pots and pans subconsciously when you cook...
 
I don't cook.
 
Unfortunately, I have a passing familiarity with about a half-dozen
different instruments, but I never really had the dedication or
motivation to do very much with any of 'em. It's been about 4 years
since I've even bothered to try playing anythingg, and it's not like
learning to ride a bike...
 
               --A non-cooking Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:58:04
Message Number  3465

The correct number for AUB is in the BBS list in the <I>nformation
area, but AUB is going down for at least a few weeks soon...Alfie
is evidently taking off to Germany... Anyway, you really don't want
to get your echos through AUB. Alfie /never/ pays attention to his
system, and he tends to let it crash and not notice for weeks at a
time. He's also really bad about hooking up new users with the local
echoes.
               --A Matrix-free Turtle
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 16:46:53
Message Number  3466

   I need a definite number of participants if possible. Talk to Tyler
and let me know.....oTay????????
   
  ......ssssssssssssssssSNAKEBYTE .   .
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: IT'S BACK....       
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:24:21
Message Number  3467

<Welcome, Chip P. Unicorn. You have 500 messages waiting.>
     
    That's what I get for not logging on for two weeks... <SIGH!>
I'll just push the mail off to one side, and read them one by one for th
next few hours... 
     By the way -- I'm back...
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:39:29
Message Number  3468

Dear Acapulco,
>Does anyone else wish to apply as my teammate?
     
    I'm also looking for a teammate... Your car or mine?
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: critters       
Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:59:51
Message Number  3469

>If you get the point where what goes on in the bedroom starts
determining what goes on outside the bedroom, watch out...
    
   Why does it need to be limited to within the bedroom?
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SHADOWSPAWN         
Subject: Vulgar Unicorn?
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:02:59
Message Number  3470

>...I ran into you at the Vulgar Unicorn...
    
   I am most certainly NOT vulgar. And only a little bit naughty.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:09:55
Message Number  3471

Dear Rufus,
>There will be no escape with the really big killer dogs roaming around
>the 40 story wall that encloses the campus.
     
    Reminds me of my old high school. Nice chain link fence, with a
barbed top -- pointing INWARD. It's really easy to get climb INTO the
school (The fence is only about eight feet tall...), but TOUGH to get
back out.
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:23:40
Message Number  3472

Dear Turtle,
   I could have USED strong typing in a program I was doing for myself
-- there were about three or four uses for the "byte" type all whirring
around in the program at once; (all distinct, and not interchangable,
of course...) and I kept confusing myself as to which function converted
which byte format to which one... Anyway, an idea for a REALLY useful
programming language: one that switches on and off strong typing at
the programmer's whim?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:33:48
Message Number  3473

JonBoy-
    If you like unusual music, if you ever find a place that sells
Jeff Johnson, try him out. He's .. um, .. unusual, but very good.
(Occasionally, Christian bookstores will carry him.)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Music...       
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:40:29
Message Number  3474

Dear Turtle,
   You might have been impressed by my musical work today, then...
I had two different themes in a piece that could intermesh with each
other in two different ways, as well as mesh with themselves in 
two different ways (using two different modes and two different
starting points, of course.) (Finding them was a BITCH!) There was
only one minor problem: when I played it, the piece didn't seem to
"go anywhere."
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:46:23
Message Number  3475

SIGN ME IN!!!
          Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:47:08
Message Number  3476

Dear Turtle,
    I am neither tone-deaf, nor do I hate Paula Abdul. Sure -- her
rhyhms are simple-minded, but the same can be said to, oh... say
most fugues by Bach. Heck -- same with the chord structure for his
"Prelude to Fugue #1"... That doesn't necessarily make for boring music.
    (My Ghod! Did I just compare Paula Abdul to Bach?)
    Her music is just "pop" -- little or no depth to it. There are
heavy-metal bands with about the same amount of depth. Hell -- there
are bands of ANY kind with the same amount of musical depth. (But
most of them seem to be Country/Western.)
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: NERISSA             
Subject: INTEREST       
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:52:43
Message Number  3477

Dear Nerissa,
   Sounds like a wonderful life to me! With my college work, I haven't
had a chance to relax for a LONG while... and when I do, it's usually
up in Jacksonville with my girlfriend.
   Heck -- I haven't flown a kite for months. Maybe years. Hmmmm....
      
   Anyway, my interests outside of school are mostly musical. I'm
just now beginning to learn the joys of composing music, and singing in
a choir. I was (for a short while) a professional clarinetist, and I'm
now learning to play the classical guitar. 
   I love the game Go -- though I don't play very well.
                      Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: MISS ELAINE NIUS    
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:56:14
Message Number  3478

Dear Miz Elaine,
   Hello! And welcome back!
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:58:00
Message Number  3479

Dear JonBoy,
   Ya know, at one of these furry parties, we NEED to get together a
pick-up band of some kind... Bring guitars, drums, whatever...
By the way, when we do this -- it shouldn't be at Turtle's. Or, at 
least, it shouldn't be at the middle of the night.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:09:15
Message Number  3480

>   By the way -- I'm back...
Err, so where have you been.
Well, I'm off to watch "Twin Peaks."  The intro was more interesting 
than most shows on today.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:10:41
Message Number  3481

>easy to climb into...but TOUGH to get back out.
Hmmm, sounds like a roach motel!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:13:12
Message Number  3482

So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode?
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:18:05
Message Number  3483

FURBYT02.TXT is written, and it appears that somebody else has already
written a Model 4 TETRIS game... but I'm going to finish TRIS anyway, on
the assumption that mine will be better.
 
As for BYE4, yep, I do need to write that.  It needs to be written
before I write the BBS that does the quote thing, so that way the BBS
can run under BYE4.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:19:38
Message Number  3484

> That would be great. Have you made any progress on it.
 
None to speak of.  I was planning to write a remote host system for
the BBS to run under (the BYE4 that Turtle was speaking of), but I may
just write a "mini-BYE" at first and then start trying to code the BBS,
which will probably be a lot easier to write than BYE4 (or even the
mini-BYE) will be.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Wyvern's Den   
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:21:34
Message Number  3485

The Den will almost certainly be returning by the end of April or
beginning of May, at a new number and location (Raven's, to be exact).
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Hmmm...        
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:24:41
Message Number  3486

Well, that'll be something I'll have to remember.  I almost never use
the TAB key in messages so it's probably not something I'd think of
when writing a message routine... of course, I want the line input
routine to support some of the WordStar control functions such as
going backwards/forwards, word back/forward, word delete, delete to
eol, etc., so on top of that, TAB would be somewhat trivial...
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:26:57
Message Number  3487

AUB is the official FidoNet host here but it is currently down,
hopefully to return soon.  I suggest you also try and get in touch with
Dr Pepper to see about carrying the TOONS-N-MORPHS echo, which is
another furry echo not associated with Nicolai Shapero.  If you getg
involved with both, you will learn that a lot of people really don't
like Mr. Shapero, and a lot of the animosity towards him came from his
handling of the FURRY echoes between the Rowrbrazzle BBS (which no
longer speaks to his board, and the sysops don't speak to one another
either) and with Noel Tominack on the Lighthouse Project BBS, a person
that Nicolai kicked off the echo--Noel ended up starting his own echo
with Dr Pepper's help, hence the start of TOONS-N-MORPHS.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:29:54
Message Number  3488

Oh, also, you might find--as I have--that Nicolai is a fairly easy
person to get along with, despite what some other people say.  I also
find Noel Tominack a fairly easy person to get along with, despite what
some other people (including Nicolai, I suppose) would say, so who
knows.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:12:21
Message Number  3489

>I could have USED strong typing in a program I was doing for myself...
 
Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories.
 
>...A REALLY useful programming language: one that switches on and off
>strong typing at the programmer's whim?
 
Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories. You have the
ultimate switch right at your fingertips: if you want strong typing ON,
use Pascal. If you want strong typing OFF, use a real language. Why
clutter up your language with unnecessary impediments?
                   --A real programmer Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:16:20
Message Number  3490

>[Paula Abdul's] rhythms are simple-minded, but the same can be said to,
>oh, say, most fuges by Bach.
 
In what reality? I don't know what world /you/ just came from, boy, but
in this one Bach is noted for his remarkably intricate and subtle
mastry of the musical form--PARTICULARLY in his fugues.
 
>Her music is "pop" -- little or no depth
 
That is precisely why I hate it. So what's your point?
                    --A complex Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:20:33
Message Number  3491

>So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode?
 
Huh?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: +ALL+               
Subject: FurBytes       
Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:22:46
Message Number  3492

* ATTENTION! * ATTENTION! * ATTENTION! *
 
FurBytes #2 is now available for downloading from this board, together
with #1, which was formerly available on the Wyvern's Den. FurBytes is
an electronic furry fanzine written by Donthen and distributed on furry
BBSes all over the country; it is essentially a clearinghouse for
furry information, the doings of furfen, and other assorted errata.
Check it out...
                --A furry Turtle
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:02:28
Message Number  3493

  When I call AUB, it isn't disconnected, nobody answers! 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Howdy Back     
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:04:15
Message Number  3494

  Must be a lot of people don't call Whispers. The sysop put an ad in 
the classified ads to get callers.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:07:54
Message Number  3495

  Speaking of banning books...
  I'm looking for sources to use in a report on Censorship. Turtle 
mentioned something that said that  the unabridged dictionary was often 
banned. That might be a good source... any suggestions everyone?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:12:32
Message Number  3496

  Well, I /know/ that Ken Ober, Rufus, and I will all be in it. Wheter 
the three of us will be on the same team or not remains to be seen.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:18:46
Message Number  3497

> bring...drums...
 
  Yeah! Do that. I would like to get behind some drums and try playing. 
I've always wanted to, just never have.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:20:59
Message Number  3498

  Hhehehe! Yeah, I caught it. 
  By the way, which episode would you count as last season's swimsuit
episode?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Wyvern's Den   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:23:21
Message Number  3499

  Yay for the return of the Den!!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:28:50
Message Number  3500

>> So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode?
 
> Huh?
 
  They sent Captain Picard on vacation and for the first half of the 
show, people were walking around in skimpy bathing suits and the like...
 Sorta like that season one episode "Justice"...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Echos          
Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:07:10
Message Number  3501

Okay, can someone please give me the numbers of the relavent BBSes
mentioned that carry the Furry Echos?  (I already have Stormgate
Aerie's number.)
 
-Ken Ober
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: AUB and YOU!   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:08:40
Message Number  3502

> nobody answers!
 
Question...how can the local FIDO host be down half the time?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Furry Tape ][  
Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:09:42
Message Number  3503

The Furry Tape ][ is now completed and is of /much/ better quaility
than the first one....This tape has a running time of aprox. 60 
minutes....It includes:  AArdvark (SP?) Bondage
                         The latest Furry Party
                         Turtle Cam ]I[
                         Another Furry Music Video
 
It has been edited with less tape transfers, and with the help of my
Amiga and an RF Modulator -- I also used an Audio mixing board.
 
Thanks to Rocky for the RF Modulator and the Mixing Board...
 
The Furry Tape ][ costs NOTHING if you give me your own tape, and 
costs $3 if you want one of my tapes....
 
Contact me on a/L/T/E/R  r/E/A/L/I/T/Y or Remote Control!
 
-Ken Ober
 
BTW -- Did anyone get me a copy of that furry magazine?  ANd if not,
how can I get ahold of one?
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: $%#&@#$$/      
Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:31:48
Message Number  3504

Dear Lady -
   I tried to call you the other day (I guess its been about a week now)
but you werent home.  I will continue in my efforts to get these books
to you (jeez...after all this they better be good).
   Yes, Ive read Les Miserables.  I enjoyed it very much.  Of course I
was forced to read it by some foul creature calling itself an English
teacher, but despite that I liked it.  I hate it when that happens!  I
liked A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens, too.  In fact, in retrospect (and
we all know how painful that can be) most of the classics were pretty 
damn good.  With the noticable exception of Wuthering Heights - it 
sucked.
   Until next time......
              The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:49:34
Message Number  3505

Snakebyte,
  I watch Paula Abdul videos because I am impressed with the intricate
style of her choreography and the way she manages to include the rhythm
of tap with the style of Bob Fosse, with a little ballroom tossed in...
it has nothing to do with her breasts...at least thats what I tell my
wife. :)
                The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: NERISSA             
Subject: ?              
Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:58:25
Message Number  3506

Dear Nerissa,
   Its when the ladies /stop/ being curious that I'll start to worry!
No, I dont think we know each other from other bbs'ing as I only
frequent a few boards and always under the same psuedonym.  I, too, 
married at the age of 19...that means Ive been married...forever! I
love my wife very much, but would not recommend getting married that
young to anyone.  I wish I'd met her about five years later - wild oats
and all of that.  Im glad you are so happy. :)  Thanks for the kind 
words.
                    The Yngling
  "We give but little when we give of our possessions, it is when we
give of ourselves that we truly give."
                           -Gibran Kahlil Gibran
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ALL                 
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/09/90 14:19:10
Message Number  3507

The Science Fiction Book Club accidently sent me a copy of Anne McCaf-
frey's latest "Renegades of Pern."  When it arrived I said, "Oh ghod
not another dragonriders book." However, having finished it I must say
it was worth reading.  Its not /great/ but its not bad.  The ending is
particularly interesting.  Best of all, you can read it even if you 
havent read a Pern novel since "THe White Dragon" - although the ending
will make a little more sense if youve read "DragonDawn" according to a
friend.  I havent read DragonDawn and it made sense to me.  So anyway,
I give it a thumbs up and a seven because its got a beat but you cant
dance to it.
                The Yngling
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/09/90 15:22:22
Message Number  3508

  Yep, but computers are the "crutch of the future"
 
                         - Corwyn
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From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Echos          
Date & Time: 04/09/90 17:27:44
Message Number  3511

If you get FurBytes #2, TOONS-N-MORPHS is carried by Tigers' Den,
Doctors' Walk-In, and possibly 1 or 2 others on that list....
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:35:38
Message Number  3513

I don't know where _you_ get your information, but until you see the
output of the LaserMaster system, you better reserve your judgement
of Postscript, else you will contradict yourself later.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Music          
Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:41:16
Message Number  3514

I was extremely impressed with Renaissance (I love "Kiev"), but didn't
know their music was released in CD form (I've about worn out my album).
I just bought Mobile Fidelity Labs' version of "Days of Future Passed"
by the Moody Blues... excellent sound, even if only AAD!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:47:45
Message Number  3515

I know of some "serious" publishers using LaserMaster controllers with
Canon-engine laser printers. It can be done, since LaserMaster allows
scalable dots as well as scalable fonts to improve apparent resolution
beyond the 300x300 norm.
 
FYI, LaserMaster uses their own, proprietary pdl, but the file is
converted "on the fly" so time is not wasted in numerous edit-print-edit
sessions. The output still exceeds Postscript speeds.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:56:25
Message Number  3516

I'm in.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: MISS ELAINE NIUS    
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:01:06
Message Number  3517

That name is familiar, but I'm having trouble placing tit to a face.
I can't remember what my handle was way back then, but I'm sure I'd
remember you once I knew the name.
 
I'd drop some of the old board names, but those were violent times, and
I'm not sure folks need to be reminded of them.
 
My name's no secret. I'm Alan Frayer. But since handles are the proper
thing on this board, I use {Acapulco} here.
 
Good to read an old, familiar handle!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:09:12
Message Number  3518

Weeeellll... I guess it depends on what kind of car you drive! :)
 
I plan to talk to my brother and/or my mother about borrowing one of
their cars, since I think they both offer better accelleration than
my Hyundai, but I _can_ do it in a Hyundai. It'll just be frustrating.
 
Okay, Chip. I'll take you in, if you want to team up with me.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:15:50
Message Number  3519

Look into Slaughterhouse Five and Catcher in the Rye. Both books are
classics that have trouble frequently with school systems.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:24:41
Message Number  3520

>Huh?
What word didn't you understand?
<he he>
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ST             
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:26:07
Message Number  3521

>which episode...last season's swimsuit episode?
Err, I have no idea.  So it's the new yearly swimsuit episode.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Furry Tape ][  
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:28:34
Message Number  3522

Like, I'd like a copy of the tape dude.  When can I get you a tape??
You can pick up a copy of Mythagoras for $5 from me (contrary to the
misprinted cover price of $3).
 
 
O.K. So I'm a money hungry Rufus...
Actually, you could probably get an issue of Mythagoras from..
a)Bart Fox
b)Turtle
c)Donthen
d)Time Machine (btw, they moved it up into the science fiction section)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:33:33
Message Number  3523

>My name's no secret. I'm Alan Frayer.
Gee, it took 2 months and a furry party for me to find that out!
>...old board names, but those were violent times...
The good old days...  I've been BBSing for, gee, 5 years now and have 
seen a lot happening around here.
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:14:21
Message Number  3524

>"I don't think many people "watch" her for her musical talents."
     I hope not.  I do believe she is an excellent dancer.  I also 
think she should have stayed a dancer.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: CRYSTAL             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:25:10
Message Number  3525

     Yes dear, I know you understand.  Even you, yourself said " hay,
this place looks like my living room."  We were in Computer Anex at the
time. 
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:45:54
Message Number  3526

Rufus, no one said you were particularly observant (but then, I may
be the first to imply you aren't).  ;)
 
I've forgotten how long it's been, now. I _think_ I remember who Miss
Elaine Nius is. I _don't_ remember who I was, if I was anything other
than myself.
 
I'll show my age by stating I remember the original Nexus of Venice.
You, my friend, arrived on the scene _after_ the traumatic events of
those days. This had to be nearly 7 years ago. If this Miss Elaine
Nius is the same person I remember, we should have some frightening
memories to exchange.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:52:17
Message Number  3527

A good source of information on censorship is People for the American
Way. They are a non-profit coalition of bleeding-heart liberals whose
sole purpose is to catalog instances of censorship and attempted cen-
sorship in the United States. I don't know their address (can anyone
help?), but if you write to them they will send you their list of
censorship acts that's updated yearly. (Penthouse magazine prints the
entire year's list when it comes out in December, I believe). I will
warn you, though, it's kind of depressing reading...1989's list was
fifteen pages long. I'll look around for their address and post it here
if I can produce it.
                   --An anti-censorship Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: AUB and YOU!   
Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:56:00
Message Number  3528

>Question...how can the local FIDO host be down half the time?
 
Answer: Alfie Bruhel has about the same sense of responsibility as a
housefly. Most of the echoes in this area actually end up being routed
through Above Board; the ones that go through AUB tend to have
difficulties more or less constantly. If you're planning on picking up
any local echoes, I'd strongly suggest getting them from Above Board
or somewhere else...
                --A non-Matrix Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Furry Tape ][  
Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:58:56
Message Number  3529

You can get ahold of a copy of Mythagoras from me--drop by sometime.
The cover price is three bucks (cheap at twice that); leave me E-mail
telling me how I can get you one or when you can stop by to pick it up.
                     --A Mythagoras Turtle (but only against
                       my will!)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Dragonreading  
Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:01:00
Message Number  3530

I gave up on the Dragonriders series after the second trilogy. I likes
(oops--LIKED) the first three a whole lot, particularly "The White
Dragon;" I found the Dragonsinger/Dragonsong/Dragondrums series mildly
entertaining, and I didn't even bother with any of the ones after that.
Anne McCafferey after a certain point gets too...well, too Anne
McCafferey. (Have you ever read any of her non-Pern stuff, by the way?
Crystal Singer is really good, although all the ones in that series
after it aren't all that great...)
                   --A literate Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Strong typing..
Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:03:58
Message Number  3531

Speaking of computers...just got me a new one today, an SB-180. Only
computer I own right now that isn't obsolete. It has 512K of RAM,
an HD64180 processor, one SCSI port, two serial ports, one disk drive
controller, and other assorted neat stuff all on one card that's about
three inches wide and six inches long. It also has an attached 1200
baud modem that measures about three by two inches and contains
a second SCSI port, a speech synthesizer, a voice recognition system,
and a 300/1200 baud smart modem... I'm in heaven...
                 --A Z Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:10:41
Message Number  3532

>...until you see the output of the LaserMaster system, you better
>reserve your judgement...
 
Frankly, I doubt I'd be impressed, but that has nothing whatsoever to
do with the merits of PostScript or HP's page description language.
The first laser printer I ever used printed with a resloution of
1720x1240 dots per inch at a throughput of three pages per second...I
kind of got spoiled, and now it's /real/ hard to impress me.
The problem I have with HP's products isn't that the output doesn't
/look/ good; all laser printer output looks good. The problem is that
(a) I don't like the idea of a laser printer that requires font
cartriges (!) and (b) HP's PDL is amazingly primitive when compared
to PostScript--so much so, in fact, that it would be very difficult
for me to do the sort of work I normally do on a laser printer with an
HP product. (Of course, HP's laser printers also have other problems,
like the fact that they store a complete bitmap of the page so if you
print a solid black page you need at least a meg and a half of RAM
if you don't want only half the page printed on two sheets of paper...)
               --A PostScript Turtle
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:40:24
Message Number  3533

I would agree with (a) if it were true. The HP doesn't require font
cartridges; you can use downloadable fonts, too (like those from
Bitstream). I agree with (b), which is why I like LaserMaster. They
have a better approach (in my humble opinion) at a pdl (they have one;
so it _has_ to be better than HP, right?).
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 13:57:42
Message Number  3534

What's a LaserMaster?  Comparing PostScript to PCL--the language in
normal HP LaserJet printers--Turtle is correct.  If you're comparing it
to something /else/, then obviously he'd be wrong.  Of course, you could
turn around and compare it to a professional typesetting system running
Scribe or TeX and say both PostScript and PCL suck.  (And sure, you
/can/ connect such a machine to a microcomputer: the first two or three
years of Creative Computing were produced by entering everything into
Electric Pencil on a TRS-80 Model I which was interfaced to just such a
typesetter.)  But, doing that is taking the comparison far out of the
league it was originally set in.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: HP Laserjets   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 14:02:45
Message Number  3535

Well, I'm sure you can do 'serious' publishing without PostScript (like
the TRS-80 Model I thing I described last message).  But, PS is one of
the most flexible PDL's out there and is completely device independent;
from your description of LaserMaster, it sounds like it fudges to get
beyond 300x300 dpi.
    I also suspect the Model I system up there was faster than both
PostScript and LaserMaster, but it probably cost 5 or 10 times as much
(and had 5 or 10 times better output quality, and was 5 or 10 times
harder to use).  You can find exceptions to every "rule."  I'd still
pick a PostScript system for doing any microcomputer-based DTP with any
popular hardware/software setup, ranging from the Mac or IBM running
PageMaker to the Amiga running Professional Page or the Atari ST
running PageSetter, or even the CP/M machine running Magic Series... all
of them let you plug your LaserWriter IINTX right into the RS232 port
and print away.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 14:08:45
Message Number  3536

I called the original Nexus of Venice long-distance once--it was running
TBBS on a Model III.  Then Dana switched to an MS-DOS system and became
a twit (those things aren't causally connected; he probably would have
been a twit no matter what he switched to).
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:49:36
Message Number  3537

That fact that a video system playing a Paula Abdul video without and
sound would be as entertaining as watching Elle McPherson cook....
     a sssssssssstimulatable SNAKEBYTE .   .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:51:28
Message Number  3538

Hope you got all the spec's on the Rally. I'll have a good message 
soon with an announcement of when to be where, but the time and
date should be the same.....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:53:17
Message Number  3539

3-D video's were made for that (not for audio).....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:54:03
Message Number  3540

As long as they are LEGAL, all food donations will be accepted. Don't 
mind if I make you eat one first.....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:55:46
Message Number  3541

Oh it's gotta be true!!!!!!  You read that shit ?!?!?!?! If it's 
printed in there, and their readers get off on it....good. They all
have the taste quality of a well aged piece of dog shit. If I want to
watch someone lure me physically, it ain't terrible, but I ain't 
watchin' it for the music (ooops....I associated the term 'music' with
her....sorry).........a sweaty SNAKEBYTE .   .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Remote Control!
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:00:42
Message Number  3542

ringggggggg.......ringgggggggg.......ringgggggggggg...........
^&%&^DX&yt7^*977n(*&s8&(*)D&SW7d67d85sOxOtd465s5d&(*&P*(&S)&*)(8-)*-
   
The Rally is going to be good sized from the looks of things, keep
them names 'a comin'..........
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:02:04
Message Number  3543

   
    
    O'tay.......hmmmmm, One Unicorn......GOT IT !!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:03:30
Message Number  3544

Chip P. Unicorn, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus,........need more!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:04:47
Message Number  3545

I'm sure she believes you as much as I do!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Road Rally..   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:05:33
Message Number  3546

Chip P. Unicorn, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus, Acaplulco.....more!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: Nothing much   
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:06:46
Message Number  3547

You mean she's something other then a dancer. Shit, my TV speaker
hasn't worked in years....
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Y'all         
Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:44:03
Message Number  3550

>Err, so where have you been.
    
   You really don't want to know. All the government is allowing me to
say is that it involved two llamas, exactly 113.74lb of Velveeta cheese,
one red shoe phone, and seventeen copies of Daffy Duck, Illustrated.
                      Chip P. Unicorn
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