

#: 17259 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Dec-92  21:47:19
Sb: Televideo Terminal
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: All

Does anyone know if a normal PC-type keyboard will work with a Televideo 965
terminal. I have a term. with a blown keyboard (I think). I thought I'd make up
a little converter cable to switch from a DIN plug to the telephone jack the
TV-965 uses. But if someone has more knowledge than me let me know if I'm
wasting my time (or if I can damage the PC keyboard... even though I have
checked voltages and it appears to be just 5volt).

#: 17260 S3/Languages
    17-Dec-92  08:36:10
Sb: #17255-#C question
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill...

Interesting question.... what about:

  a) Take address of structure
  b) Take address of interesting element
  c) Subtract a) from b)
  d) Assign result to a variable

Pete

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#: 17262 S3/Languages
    18-Dec-92  08:50:54
Sb: #17260-#C question
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

I hadn't thought of that one, but like Bob's suggestion, it is a runtime
method, which I wanted to avoid. The simplest runtime solution, in this
particular case, is to assign the address of each element to an array of
pointers. I was hoping there was some way to initialize variables to the
offsets at compile time. I could do it with #asm, I think, but really didn't
want to. I think I'll just leave it like it is, which is all runtime type
stuff. The purpose of this was to reduce the size of the code, since I'm having
great fun trying to pack a lot of program into 48K, or 40K in some cases, for
the CoCo. What is one OSK module is now four OS9 modules, and I think I'm going
to have to go to five.

        -Bill-

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#: 17265 S3/Languages
    18-Dec-92  20:47:46
Sb: #17262-#C question
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill, I don't want to get into any arguments here...but both my and Pete's
suggestions were compile time. Uh, maybe you should upload a snippet of code so
we can be sure we're all talking about the same thing...

BTW, is this for your auto-cis program? How's it coming?

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#: 17268 S3/Languages
    19-Dec-92  10:58:38
Sb: #17265-C question
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,

Yes its for the auto-CIS (auto-Delphi, too) program, which is called InfoXpress
(IX for short). IX is coming along, but slowly. I had thought I would have more
free time to work on it, which just hasn't happened. I was hoping to have a
shareware version available for the CoCo by now. The biggest stumbling block
with the CoCo is the 64K per process limitation, but so far I've managed.

I went back and looked at your suggestion, and you're right, it is compile
time. But when I apply your suggestion to my problem, I end up with run time
code because I'm dealing with pointers to structures that are passed from other
functions. I could copy the passed structure to a local structure and use your
suggestion (I hadn't thought of that until just now).

Pete's suggestion can actually be interpreted as either compile time or run
time, and again, in this particular situation it would be run time.

After asking the question, and further thought on a solution, I think I've
decided to leave it as it is, it will be easier to maintain, and since the
functions involved save and load the configuration file for IX, I expect the
code is going to change frequently.

        -Bill-

#: 17280 S3/Languages
    23-Dec-92  14:43:14
Sb: #17255-#C question
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,
Here is the classical method of finding a struct element offset, if this
is what you meant.

#define offsetof(t, m)  (&(((t *)0)->m))

typedef struct {
    char    a;
    int     b;
    short   c;
    } X;

main()
    {
    printf("offsetof(b) = %d\n", offsetof(X, b));
    }

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#: 17285 S3/Languages
    24-Dec-92  08:23:32
Sb: #17280-#C question
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)

Carl,

That's not exactly what I was looking for (I was looking for something that I
could use to initialize an offset table at compile time) but its something I
have filed away for future reference. Thanks.

        -Bill-

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#: 17299 S3/Languages
    28-Dec-92  20:58:24
Sb: #17285-C question
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Ok.  I wasn 't clear whether you wanted the offset of a member within a struct
(ie with respect to the start of the struct) or the location in memory of a
member of a struct.

#: 17261 S1/General Interest
    17-Dec-92  19:09:36
Sb: #17244-AR for the non-C types
Fm: fred kohlhepp 72300,3553
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)



list help



type l Steve,

Thanks!  It's not easy for a beginner to "learn the lingo" in these forums. Yur
help is appreciated!

Fred

#: 17266 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    18-Dec-92  20:47:58
Sb: New uploads
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: All

I've uploaded two files to DL12 in the last couple of days. The first is docs
and binary for a new upzip program. I didn't do too much too it--just figured
out what files to include so that the unix source would compile properly. This
program will melt the newer PK-ZIP files which the existing unzip on this
system will not. It also melts files into subdirectories and keeps file dates
accurate. However, it insists on processing everything in all lowercase (unless
you like uppercase filenames), so I wrote a little program to convert directory
names to all uppercase. Look for the files "unzip.lzh" and "updir.c" in DL12.

#: 17269 S15/Hot Topics
    19-Dec-92  23:27:20
Sb: #17205-New Video for KiX\30
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: Chris Perrault 75346,165 (X)

I'm sure that the KiX\30 would handle X-Windows but I have no plans to do
anything in that regard. We are just about done with the 6809 stuff. Will only
be selling what we currently have, ie DynaStar etc. We won't put that info in a
catalog because of such small interest. We are concentrating on OSK now and
mostly the KiX\30 as we have not sold one TC70 since the KiX\30 was introduced.

BTW as you see I rarely get into the forum here so if you want to get hold of
me I would suggest email, which I check almost daily.

Frank


#: 17270 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Dec-92  13:55:12
Sb: Coco C compiler
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

Just wanted you all to know that I received my copy of CoCo-C the other day.
This is a C compiler for RS_DOS Coco1/2/3. It is quite complete implementation
(integer only). It features a separate compiler (to assembler), assembler and
linker. The supplied library contains most of the common C functions plus calls
to interface with the Basic ROMS.

The Docs are about 100 8x11 pages in a bound manual. Quite complete, but does
assume you have some C programming knowledge.

I do have an interest in the success of this product--they have licensed my
editors which are included in the package.

For the price, I think it's an excellent offer. According to the ad in Rainbow,
it costs $59.95 + 4.00 s/h. For more info contact:

 Infinitum Technology
 PO Box 356
 Saddle River, NJ 07458
 914 356 7688

Please feel free to re-post this information.

#: 17271 S1/General Interest
    20-Dec-92  14:30:01
Sb: #language?
Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
To: all

A general question for anyone.  In what language to most programmers or
programming teams program today, eg. C, assembly, ?.  For example does anyone
know what a program like WordPerfect or WordStar was written in? thanks for the
help.

chas



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#: 17272 S1/General Interest
    21-Dec-92  04:45:42
Sb: #17271-#language?
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X)

The most used programming language in the OSK community is 'C'. In general 'C'
is an accepted language in embedded system, real time systems and the like. As
far as application programs, most likely 'C' or even Pascal. I believe the
ORIGINAL (CP/M) version of WordStar was written in assembly language on the
Z80/8080 microprocessors, but it was much easier to program in assy lang in
those days when one could brag about having a system with 64k and TWO eight
inch disk drives. The WordStar for CP/M was about 38k long.

        Today, big projects like WordPerfect or Paradox and other IBM
application software take a tremendous time, number of people, and money. One
person may work just on one certain part of the project.

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#: 17273 S1/General Interest
    21-Dec-92  06:25:09
Sb: #17272-#language?
Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

thanks scott, do you know if the popularity of C also holds true for the IBM
(and compatible) community?  One reason why I ask is that a friend of that
persuasion claims that programs like WordPerfect are written in this thing
called QBasic while I think a lower (and more powerful) level language is used.
thanks again.

chas

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#: 17274 S1/General Interest
    21-Dec-92  11:16:28
Sb: #17273-#language?
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X)

the 'C' language is very popular among IBM users, although IBM users have a
wider range of choices of languages than OSK users, such as QBasic. QBasic is a
BASIC language compiler made by Microsoft, the original maker of MBASIC for IBM
and MS-DOS systems.
        While I could not swear to it, I would think WordPerfect would probably
be written under something like 'C' or Pascal. Even though WordPerfect
theoretically could be written under QBasic since QBasic does make an
executable (.EXE).

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#: 17284 S1/General Interest
    24-Dec-92  05:20:07
Sb: #17274-language?
Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)

FYI scott, & you were right.  I contacted WPCorp, WordPerfect is written in
assembly, and the windows are in C.  All future updates of WordPerfect are
being written in C.  I didn't realize that C was (is) so popular.

chas (& thanks again for your help)



#: 17286 S1/General Interest
    24-Dec-92  18:51:21
Sb: #17271-language?
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: charles sielicki 75716,42

Charles -

With little exception, the majority of current vintage stuff is written in C.

Pete

#: 17277 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Dec-92  22:42:31
Sb: #MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: All

What software exists to read/write CoCo format OS9 discs on MSDOS machines?
PCDOS does a fine job the other way around, but I sometimes need the reverse. A
quick look through the libraries didn't turn up anything.

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#: 17293 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Dec-92  10:33:57
Sb: #17277-MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

There used to be a product called CoCoUtil that ran on an MS-DOS machine and
would
 read, write and even format standard RS-DOS-type disks (single-sided
35-track).

I think Clearbrook Software Group had a set of MS-Dos Utilities, too.  They
used to advertise in Rainbow.  Their Utility would actually supported
OS9-->MS-DOS and viceversa transfers.  However, I think their utilities ran
under OS-9.


Seems like I saw an advertiser in Rainbow (recently) that is selling an
MS-DOS-based transfer utility, too, but I don't think it mentioned transfers to
or from OS-9.  Seems like it was OwlWare's ad, if you're willing to take a
chance with them.

Lee




#: 17307 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Dec-92  14:27:25
Sb: #17277-#MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

OS9MAX will do transfers from OS9 to MSDOS on an MSDOS machine.  A crippleware
version of it should exist somewhere here in the LIBs.




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#: 17312 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jan-93  17:55:48
Sb: #17307-#MSDOS/OS9
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)

TO ALL and Ian Hodgson

I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is interrested I
will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news' about the current
version of 'OS9MAX' is:

can now generate 'bootable' OS9disks. several 'utilities' added to : backup
different disk-formats(msdos,os9,unix) user-defined formats can be added.
identx utility like os9-ident, but can also 'split' bootfile(even with
romdebugger as the first code) now operates under windows(3.0/3.1) in its own
window.

regards ole b. hansen

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#: 17321 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jan-93  15:21:32
Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)

>I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is
>interrested I will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news'
>about the current version of 'OS9MAX' is:

I would, for one, very much appreciate your uploading the latest demo.

Thanks in advance.

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#: 17344 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jan-93  18:46:04
Sb: #17321-#MSDOS/OS9
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)

hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK

regards ole hansen

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#: 17357 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jan-93  05:45:11
Sb: #17344-MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)

>hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK

Thanks very much, Ole.  I'll grab it next time I log in!

#: 17333 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Jan-93  20:58:16
Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)

OS9Max sounds very much like what I need; although most of my home computing is
done on OS9 (CoCo3) I do have an all-singing all-dancing MSDOS machine beside
me too, on which I do business related stuff (the OS isn't great but the
software is staggering).

I would very much like to see the latest demo version of OS9Max, so I hope you
upload it soon. I presume there is also some way to get a "real" version?
Thanks in advance.

Ian

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#: 17343 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jan-93  18:36:18
Sb: #17333-MSDOS/OS9
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762

hello Ian I just finished uploading the 'new' demoversion of OS9MAX. The
company that sells OS9MAX is German and is called DTR. Their address should be
in the archive. I believe that 'Ultra science' sells it in the 'states'.

best regards Ole B. Hansen

#: 17278 S1/General Interest
    21-Dec-92  23:31:09
Sb: Benchmarks
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: ALL

 The following benchmark, written in Basic on OS9/68000
 was done to show the 'relative' performance between
 different computers from FHL/Hazelwood. As benchmarks go
 it is very simple. I think you will find the results
 interesting.

 SHELL "date -j"
 FOR j=1 to 12
   FOR i=1 to 1000
     a=SQRT(i)
     b=INT(a)
     IF a=b THEN a=b
     ENDIF
   NEXT i
 NEXT j
 SHELL :date -j"


 Year  Model    Speed   CPU   FPU   Seconds

 '92   KiX\30  33 Mhz  68030  Yes      2
 '92   KiX\30  25 Mhz  68030  Yes      3
 '92   KiX\30  16 Mhz  68030  Yes      5
 '87   QT20x   12 Mhz  68020  Yes     12
 '92   KiX\30  33 Mhz  68030   No     14
 '92   KiX\30  25 Mhz  68030   No     19
 '92   KiX\30  16 Mhz  68030   No     29
 '90   TC70*   15 Mhz  68070   No    105
 '85   QT+     10 Mhz  68000   No    105
 '84   QT       8 Mhz  68008   No    219

 * On board memory only.

 The fastest KiX\30 turned out to be 52.5 times faster
 than the TC70. All of the KiX\30 tests were done on a
 KiX\30 with a 25Mhz CPU. The crystal was changed to get
 the different speeds. We will be testing 40Mhz and 50Mhz
 on the KiX\30 soon. I will report those results later.

 Frank Hogg -- FHL

 PS Please send comments via email as I don't check into
 this forum very often.

 PPS 'FPU' is the 68881/2 math co-processor for those who
 aren't familiar with the terminology.

#: 17279 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-Dec-92  04:37:39
Sb: #SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: All

All:

Can I put all am SETENV parameters in the .login file instead of the startup
file

Is their a difference being in one place than the other?

I noticed that the parameters in the startup file are only good for w-w? and
not term, WHY?

Keith



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#: 17281 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-Dec-92  17:30:01
Sb: #17279-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

hello keith

the reason why your SETENV stuff only work in .login, is because your 'startup'
is run by a 'shell' forked by 'sysgo'. This shell dies after having 'executet'
the startup-file. If you want to set up ENV-variables from the shell you talk
to after startup has run, you need to modify your sysgo.a to setup parameters
for the final 'shell' forked. Let me know if you need some example-code !!

regards ole b. hansen

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#: 17282 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    23-Dec-92  20:47:43
Sb: #17281-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)

Ole and Keith: as an alternate to changing sysgo you can just use the builtin
shell command 'profile'. I have a line in my startup (right near the start):

        profile .login

this (apparently) reads the .login file and sets the variables for the parent
of the shell which is running startup. For some reason the profile command is
not documented (or I can't find it in the manual).

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#: 17288 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    25-Dec-92  15:29:51
Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Hello Bob

You might be wright about 'profile .login', but I don't have a straihgt 'shell
.login'. My .login sets up a lot of things for my 'mshell' and therefor I have
to set up my parameters for 'shell' in 'sysgo' as parameters before it is
forked.

The 'profile' builtin-command to shell is described in a 'release note' to OSK
V2.4

regards ole

#: 17296 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    27-Dec-92  11:19:28
Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob/ole -

Not sure if Mshell supports this construct, but in Bourne and Korn shells, the
line '. .profile' (or more portably, '. $HOME/.profile' will read and execute
commands in the .profile file in the context of the current shell.

Pete

P.S. That's DOT SPACE DOT FILENAME

#: 17283 S1/General Interest
    23-Dec-92  21:18:43
Sb: #Seasons Greetings
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All


Dear Friends:

As the Holy Days enfold and the year draws to an end, I always take some time
to reflect. Once again this has been a year when my little CoCo has given me a
chance to continue on with old friendships while having the opportunity to make
many new ones. The amount of sharing of knowledge and willingness to lend a
helping hand is wonderful. I have treasured the Fests for allowing me to meet
those people in person who were formerly names across the miles. It is a nice
feeling to be a part, in some small way way , of this computer community. I
wish I had more time to work on programs to be able to share with all of you,
but at the moment that is one of the luxuries my chosen life requires me to
forego.

Tomorrow evening, when as a monk and a priest, I stand before the altar for
Midnight Mass, I will do so with all of you in my heart. May God bless you and
all who are dear to you.

With all best wishes,

Brother Jeremy, CSJW



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#: 17287 S1/General Interest
    24-Dec-92  22:17:37
Sb: #17283-#Seasons Greetings
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Merry Christmas, Jeremy!!  (and all!)

kevin

(about to get online again regularly soon)

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#: 17289 S1/General Interest
    25-Dec-92  18:30:51
Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Hi stranger...hope the cold isn't bitting too much. We miss your wit, humor and
postings of kwindows fixes, demos and docs <g>.

I'd like to add my "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL" here too.

#: 17292 S1/General Interest
    25-Dec-92  21:40:10
Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

A very Merry Christmas to you and Marsha. I hope things are well for you both.

--Jeremy

#: 17301 S1/General Interest
    29-Dec-92  12:30:54
Sb: #Languages
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: All

   Topic:  How to Shoot Yourself in the Foot
  Author:   harles Forsythe
    Date:  04:09 Today

C: You shoot yourself in the foot.

C++: You accidentally create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them all
in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since you
can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and
saying, "That's me, over there."

FORTRAN: You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run our of
toes, then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets, you
continue anyway because you have no exception-handling facility.

Modula-2: After realizing that you can't actually accomplish anything in this
language, you shoot yourself in the head.

COBOL: USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEFT.FOOT, THEN place
ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANDGUN to HOLSTER.
CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied.

LISP: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you
shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot
yourself in the appendaga which holds...

BASIC: Shoot yourself in the foot with a water pistol. On big systems, continue
until entire lower body is waterlogged.

FORTH: Foot in yourself shoot.

APL: You shoot yourself in the foot, then spend all day figuring out how to do
it in fewer characters.

Pascal: The compiler won't let you shoot yourself in the foot.

SNOBOL: If you succeed, shoot yourself in the left foot. If you fail, shoot
yourself in the right foot.

HyperTalk: Put the first bullet of the gun into the foot left of leg of you.
Answer the result.

Prolog: You tell your program you want to be shot in the foot. The program
figures out how to do it, but the syntax doesn't allow it to explain.

370 JCL: You send your foot down to MIS with a 4000-page document explaining
how you want it to be shot. Three years later, your foot comes back deep-fried.


From the December 1991 issue of Developer's Insight and later from The Well.

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#: 17308 S1/General Interest
    31-Dec-92  18:26:59
Sb: #17301-Languages
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)


Thanks Lee...needed that to brighten up my day!

#: 17303 S1/General Interest
    29-Dec-92  14:23:27
Sb: Night Before Crisis
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: All

        Programmer's Night before Crisis

 'Twas the night before crisis and all through the house,
 Not a program was working, not even a browse.

 The programmers were wrung out, too mindless to care,
 Knowing chances of cutover hadn't a prayer.

 The users were nestled all snug in their beds,
 While visions of inquiries danced in their heads.

 When out in the lobby there arose such a chatter,
 I sprang from my tube to see what was the matter.

 And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
 But a Super Programmer, oblivious to fear.

 More rapid than eagles, his programs they came,
 And he whistled and shouted and called them by name;

 "On Update!  On Add!  On Inquiry!  On Delete!"
 "On Batch Jobs!  On Closing!  On Functions Complete!"

 His eyes were glazed over, his fingers were lean,
 From weekends and nirhts in front of the screen.

 A wink of his eye, and twist of his head,
 Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.

 He spoke not a word but went straight to work,
 Turning specs into code, then turned with a jerk.

 He sighed as he pressed the big ENTER key,
 The system came up and worked perfectly.

 The updates updated, the deletes deleted,
 Inquiries inquired, and the closing completed.

 He tested each whistle and tested each bell,
 With nary an abend, all had gone well.

 The system was finished, the tests were concluded,
 The users' last changes were even included.

 And the user exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt,
 "It's just what I asked for, but not what I want!"

 ..........Author Unknown

 /ex

#: 17305 S4/MIDI and Music
    29-Dec-92  18:25:46
Sb: Find Mike Knudsen
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: [F] All

Has anyone heard from Mike Knudsen lately? I have Ultimusic os9 midi utility
that was authored by him. I am wondering if he made any updates or has anything
for a msdos pc and midi? Thanks, Denise

#: 17306 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    30-Dec-92  08:48:40
Sb: more ????
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227

Kevin,
    Has anyone done anything yet with the joystick drivers for the MM/1 ?

#: 17309 S1/General Interest
    01-Jan-93  02:03:13
Sb: #Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: all

   I don't know if anybody will see this or not but HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.

  Larry Larry Olson Olson

   Come on guy's, the place is getting so empty, we're starting to get echos.
<g>

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#: 17314 S1/General Interest
    02-Jan-93  14:35:01
Sb: #17309-#Happy New Year
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

Happy new year to you too too too too too too.

Funny how it got so quiet here lately...must mean that no one has any problems
<grin>.

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#: 17320 S1/General Interest
    03-Jan-93  10:16:46
Sb: #17314-#Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,
   Either that,(no one has any problems), or everyone went away for the
holidays. I hope it is something like that.
   While I have your attension, do you know anything about writing screen print
drivers. I have a Deskjet 550c sitting here just aching for a driver.
   It prints text files just great, but I would sure like to print some of
these pictures on the MM/1. I sent off to HP for the technical reference
manual, because the manuals that came with it told nothing about how to send
the data that the printer needs to do color printing. It came with a couple of
disks of drivers, but these are for ms-dos, which does me no good at all.
   I have no idea on how to write a driver, but I'm going to look into it.

larry

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#: 17322 S1/General Interest
    03-Jan-93  20:35:51
Sb: #17320-#Happy New Year
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

Larry, guess it's up to us to keep the traffic here up <grin>.

Grafix drivers for printers are pretty application specific. I have written a
few screen dump routines for dumping coco screens to an Epson printer. However,
I believe that the Deskjet works much like a laser in this regard and you have
to send it one line of data at a time. I spent some time reading a tech manual
for a laser printer and it appeared that one just had to send the raster data
along with some control codes. It didn't look all the complex, but then I
didn't have access to the printer so didn't have to find out how "easy" it
really is.

I think that what you want to write is not a driver but a screen print
program...quite different. The drivers supplied with your printer are most
likely interfaces for specific ms-dos application programs.

How do you like the deskjet? I considered buying one awhile ago, but was
disappointed by the resolution. Of course, in the stores demoing them they just
used cheap photocopy paper and appologized for the poor quality and assured me
that with proper paper the resolution was excellent. But I wanted to see for
myself and I guess they weren't all that interested in making a sale...

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#: 17328 S1/General Interest
    06-Jan-93  02:30:42
Sb: #17322-#Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,
   You are right, what I meant was a screen print routine. The printer works
great on text copy right out of the box. I will through together a little setup
program that will allow setting different text styles and sizes. That shouldn't
be a problem. I bought a copy of Vprint, but I havn't checked yet about setting
Vprint enviroment up for using some of the printer features.
  I guess the stumbling block I see for a screen print routine is trying to
figure out the correct code to send to the printer, when you get a pixel color
and want to have the printer put the same color on paper. The computer uses RGB
values while the printer uses CMY or CMYK. Its going to take some digging on
this, right now I don't have a clue.
  As far as the print quality, from what I have seen, for text the quality is
as good as a laser printer. The paper used does make a big difference, the
regular photo copy paper is perfectly usable, but if you want the very sharpest
characters,you might need to buy the paper that HP sellls. I picked up some
erasable typing paper and tried it and it comes out beautiful when I ran the
test routine that printed out all the different character styles and sizes. The
only problem with this paper is that it is too thin, you can see through it.
The problem with regular paper is that the ink has a tendency to spread as it
soaks into the paper, but if you use some kind of coated paper, the ink won't
soak in and spread.
   I don't know how long ago you looked at the Deskjet, but this new one, 550c,
has a separate black ink cartridge as well as the color cartridge, which gives
you black printing instead of the dark green they got when they were just
mixing the colors to get black in the earlier models.
   I need to finish up this other program I have been working on, before I
tackle any kind of screen print program, so when I do get heavy into it you can
expect to see alot of dumb questions I'll be sure to be asking.

larry

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#: 17334 S1/General Interest
    06-Jan-93  21:55:58
Sb: #17328-#Happy New Year
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

Larry: Do send me a copy of your vprint init file when you have it done!

To complicate figuring out colors for the screen dump _you_ are going to write,
remember that the palettes for the screen can all be changed and then you have
no idea at all of the actual colors <grin>.

I understand that the paper HP sells is very expensive, But I don't know for
sure...maybe that is why all the demos are on cheap paper.

BTW, what kind of $$ is the 550c?

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#: 17336 S1/General Interest
    07-Jan-93  01:08:56
Sb: #17334-Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,
    I havn't checked yet on the price for the HP paper but my guess is that it
is high. They give you some sample Glossy paper, Cutsheet paper and
Transparency film., 5 sheets of each. I havn't tried them yet, but the cut
sheet paper is about the weight of photocopy paper, the glossy paper is almost
like photographic paper, and must be expensive.
   The cost was around $650, I'm not sure what the going price is, this was
part of some other stuff that was bought, plus they had them on sale at the
time, plus I had some percentage off coupons.
   I will send you any VPRINT init file I come up with, I just got the manual
out and noticed that I never sent the registration paper in. I'm really bad
about that.
   The problem with the palette colors, I don't even want to think about
yet.<grin.
   There may be some help with the color conversions, I was reading an old
Compuserve newsletter, and they mentioned that there is a Hewlett Packard forum
on Compuserve. I havn't gone over there yet to check on it, but there may be
some help there.

   larry

#: 17340 S1/General Interest
    07-Jan-93  15:55:11
Sb: #17334-Happy New Year
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

I don't know about the 500c, but the 500 can use expensive or cheap paper.

I've use a pretty wide variety, and it all seems to do pretty good.

Paper that's specifically for laser printer does really good, but it's at the
high end of the price range from what I've seen.  Regular copier paper seems to
do very well, too, and it's much cheaper.

Lee



#: 17339 S1/General Interest
    07-Jan-93  15:50:39
Sb: #17328-#Happy New Year
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

I have a pretty complete vpt..init, if you're interested in saving yourself
sometime.  I have these for native mode and emulation mode.  I was going to
send them to Bob when they a little further along.

Lee



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#: 17349 S1/General Interest
    09-Jan-93  02:12:42
Sb: #17339-#Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Lee,
   I'm always interested in saving time<g>. I started going through some of the
Deskjet init files that came with VPrint, and found myself very quickly lost.
This printer has so many options, which ones do you put in the init file. I
still have to spend some more time with the technical manual to figure out what
these commands do and how they innteract with each other.

larry

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#: 17350 S1/General Interest
    09-Jan-93  10:46:23
Sb: #17349-#Happy New Year
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

There's probably more options available on the 500C, but the 500 has quite a
powerful command set.  I usually start with ones that I believe that I'll most
likely use.  Ranking them from most often used to least often used.  However,
if a less used option is especially powerful and convenient then it may get
bumped up on the list.

Lee



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#: 17352 S1/General Interest
    10-Jan-93  02:39:43
Sb: #17350-Happy New Year
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Lee,
    I have a 550c here, the one with 2 cartridges, 1 for color and a second
with black ink.
    Part of the problem is that I don't have any major document printing jobs
right now, its been strickly program listings for the program I'm working on,
and some simple printing jobs.
    I will probably just slowly build the init file as I find that I need more
commands, like you mentioned.

larry

#: 17338 S1/General Interest
    07-Jan-93  15:47:36
Sb: #17322-Happy New Year
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

I recently bought a HP Deskjet 500 (no color).

I like it.  I bought the FX-80 Emulation cartridge that's mentioned in the back
of the User's Manual.  By using the emulation cartridge I haven't had to find
or develop new drivers.  I've used MVCanvas to dump existing .VEF pictures
using its Epson print driver.
   One drawback from using the emulation cartridge is that there's not
"pass-thru" capability. Once it's in emulation mode that's where it stays.  You
can't access the native features by using some sort of special pass-thru
sequence that will cause the emulation cartridge to be by-passed.  Ergo,
there's no way, that I've found anyway, to do the landscape printing that is
supported in the native (non-emulated) mode.

As for quality and quietness, the DeskJet 500 is great.  It's hard to tell the
difference between it an laser quality.  It's pretty speedy, too.

I got mine at BizMart for $349 + tax.  The Emulation cartridge was an extra
$79.  I had to mail-order it, but it came very quickly.

Lee



#: 17310 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Jan-93  14:37:12
Sb: #CD-ROM and the MM/1
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith,

I've just merged in your CD-ROM file to LIB 12. Thanks!

Can I take from this contribution that you're using a CD-ROM with the MM/1?

Who did the driver? What titles are you using? More details, please!

Steve

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#: 17311 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Jan-93  17:51:34
Sb: #17310-#CD-ROM and the MM/1
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve;

Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them, but
for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we should
have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a new lib.
cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage).

Keith

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#: 17317 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Jan-93  17:33:08
Sb: #17311-#CD-ROM and the MM/1
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

 > Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them,
 > but for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we
 > should have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a
 > new lib. cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage).


Ahhh!  That is good news! Carl will do his usual good job as always.

As far as the design questions ... I'll leave that to those more qualified that
I to answer. My claim to fame is breaking things .... not designing 'em. Just
ask Carl!  :-)

By the way .. what was the price of the Chinon drive you're working with?

Steve


*- Steve -*



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#: 17319 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    03-Jan-93  07:16:22
Sb: #17317-CD-ROM and the MM/1
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve:

The Price that I payed at the Dayton Hamfest was $352.56 plus $22.91 tax Total
$375.47 on the 04/25/92.

Yes I will be glad to get to cd-rom working. I also send Carl a start of a
program called CDPLAY.A  This program will be able to play CD-DA disks and
(hopefully work from "desktop") will use the mouse to select the tracks and
turn up/down the volume. (Just like the Messy-Dos Version)

I sent him a disk (cd-rom) to work with, I hope that helps him get the software
to work. I will let you know more as the days pass.

Keith

#: 17315 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Jan-93  14:35:09
Sb: #17310-CD-ROM and the MM/1
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Yes, Keith. Tell us more...just leaving that little file here is so unfair!

#: 17313 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jan-93  20:48:12
Sb: UNLZH7.ARC uploaded
Fm: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476
To: All

I've just uploaded the newest edition of UNLZH-UNLZH7.ARC.  This one fixes some
problems with archives that I've downloaded.  It also pre-allocates the output
files to eliminate fragmentation problems with BIG files.

#: 17316 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Jan-93  14:35:20
Sb: #Termcap files
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: David George 72240,134 (X)

David, just downloaded your system 5 termcap file. And I figured that the
O'Reily book was definitive...have you had a chance to compare the two and see
if there are any conflicts?

Thanks for sharing the info.

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#: 17351 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Jan-93  00:48:27
Sb: #17316-Termcap files
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Actually I have the O'Reilly book.  The codes that I uploaded expand on
the codes in the O'Reilly book.  I haven't really looked into it
extensively, but the codes that I did look at were identical.

#: 17318 S3/Languages
    02-Jan-93  20:45:46
Sb: RMA's "common" command
Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
To: all

  Can anyone shed any light on the "common" assembler directive that is
embedded in the "RMA".  In the process of disassembling it, I came across this
command in the list of commands, but it is not documented in the documentation
(for the CoCo).  An rdump of an rof with the -a option allows for common
blocks, but as I mentioned, there is no mention of it in the docs.  If you
enter the line [space]common[space]3, for example, an rdump of the rof gives "1
common block, label, size 3, 0 references:. Oh, yes, common must have a label
before it, too.

  I just wodered if we might be able to use it somehow.



#: 17323 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    03-Jan-93  21:58:03
Sb: #Mail problem
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: All

I've installed edition 11 of Microware's mail that came with my MM/1. It's a
very different mail program than what I've become accustomed to over the years
on various OS9/OSK systems... but no mater ... I've grown to like it.

But!

I seem to be having problems with the mail program respecting the group id of
any particular user. Infact ... I've had to resort to making the user id and
group id the same for each user. That is .. 0.0, 1.1, 2.2 ... and so on. Trying
to use 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 results in all 4 users seeing the same mail.

Have I misunderstood something here? I should be able to establish different
groups, with unique user id's within, jes? Or perhaps, have I missed something
in the setup of mail?

I'd be interested in any comments from other mail users.

Thanks!



*- Steve -*



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#: 17324 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    04-Jan-93  23:09:38
Sb: #17323-#Mail problem
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and user
mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is
that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and 3.2
can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this.

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#: 17329 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jan-93  07:59:38
Sb: #17324-Mail problem
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

 > Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and
user
 > mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is
 > that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and
3.2
 > can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this.
 >

Hi Bob .. thanks for the reply!

Your understanding of the Group/User relationship is the same as mine. First
number is the Group, second is the User. And you're correct .. my problem is so
counter to the philosphy of OS9/OSK the error, most likely, is mine. But I'll
be darned if I can find it!

When I originally set up the MM/1, I applied this logic to the assignment of
password file entries. I was defined as 0.0, of course, and all other users
were established as 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and so on. Th idea being that any user
could establish other users in their group that could easily share material
between themselves.

But ... when I installed Microware's Mail, I quickly found out that it was
treating mail sent by all my users as mail being sent by me (0.0). Furthermore,
any mail I had in _my_ mail box was visible to _all_ my users.

Changing their Grp/Uid entry to 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, and so on, cured this
problem ... but left me with another. How do I take advantage of the GROUP
feature?

I'm hoping someone from Microware will see this and toss out a couple of ideas
for me to try.

Thanks!




*- Steve -*



#: 17332 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jan-93  16:01:44
Sb: #17323-#Mail problem
Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

The numbers in the Microware Mail Mail.sys file are the user numbers from the
password file, do not enter the group numbers from the password file.

This way the same user (.uu) with always get their mail no matter what group
they are logged in as. Put another way, each user on the system should always
have a unique user number (.uu) but may appear in a number of groups (gg1.uu,
gg2.uu, etc.).

The mail system has no way of dealing with the group numbers as assigned in the
password file.

You can set up groups (lists) for mailing purposes ONLY in the mail.sys file,
this is documented in that file.



This might be easier to explain via voice?

-J

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#: 17341 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    07-Jan-93  17:30:33
Sb: #17332-#Mail problem
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X)

So what you're telling me is this is a _feature_ .. not a bug?

I'm aware of the operation of 'group list' and 'nickname' list. That's fine for
mass mailing ... but my problem manifests itself in attempting to make use of
an OSK standard ... Group/UID for user identification.

Seem to be a problem to me ... but then ....



*- Steve -*



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#: 17364 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Jan-93  08:50:52
Sb: #17341-#Mail problem
Fm: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Yeah, well, I thought it was a bug/problem as well but MW explained it to me as
a FEATURE!

From their point of view, the UID should always be unique for an individual.
That way the same person can be in many groups and still have the same UID.
This way their mail software can find you no matter what group you log in under
and you don't have to log in a bunch of times under different groups just to
get all of your mail. It does make sense if you think of it this way.

-J Truesdale

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#: 17367 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jan-93  05:32:21
Sb: #17364-Mail problem
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X)

Yes ... I supposed it does make sense if you think of it in that way.

Too bad it's taken me this long to come around.



*- Steve -*



#: 17325 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    05-Jan-93  10:39:10
Sb: #OSK Wishlist
Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
To: all

Hey Folks! 1)    Who has _any_ version of source-code to a program that will
ZIP files as well as unzip them?  Does anybody have working binaries for an
OSK-ZIP program ("compatible" with MeSsy-DOS' PKZip programs)? I've accepted
the offer of a loan on an XT (which I don't want) so I can create ZIPfiles of
straight-ASCII texts for an organization/BBS which absolutely refuses *.LZH
uploads.  I'd MUCH rather do it on my MM/1.
    (Actually, I'd rather stick with LHA/*.lzh, but the folks I'm working with
insist on being "compatible" and "mainstream". Arrgh!) - 2)    Who has source
code (or OSK binaries!) for a QWK-mail-reader? (especially one with TAGLINES!)
- 3)    When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and
uucp* set of programs for OSK? - 4)    Do wo have available the routines that
would allow an OSK machine to
        a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and
        b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a
                lower baud-rate? - 5)    Do we have a program that will "type"
a textfile at 10cps or so into a messagebase that otherwise barfs at full-speed
ASCII uploads?
      (I had a patience-exercising-experience trying to ASCII-upload this
message into the Atlanta Computer Society BBS {404/636-2991} MM/1_Tech-Echo
area. My second attempt at 300 baud worked.) - 6)    Who has the PCFile Manager
working on an MM/1, and HOW does one get it working? -
    This inquiring mind wants to know! -
                                        (Is my impatience showing?) - Clyde C.
Price, Jr.-- preferred email: 76616.3452@compuserve.com P.O.Box 667, Red Oak,
GA 30272-0667 USA  404/761-2327 /John 3:16 Coordinator of "The Text Project"
for Atl.Christian Tech.Society GEnie: C.PRICE14  ACTS-BBS 404/633-2280
include<stddisclaimer.i>



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#: 17327 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    05-Jan-93  22:06:02
Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452

Can't answer all the ??s...but

1 - I do have source for a PKZIP unzipper. I guess you might be able to reverse
engineer it to do packing...send me email if you want this and we can arrange
to get a disk to you. I have posted a binary to lib 12 which appears to work.

3 - what's the problem with MNP v32? I have a modem doing all this and run it
though sterm. No problems.

6 - the pcf file manager works fine on my mm/1. Do you have the latest editions
of the disk drivers, etc. (I believe you need edition #4 to use pcf). It's just
a matter of making sure that pcf and the nesc. descriptors are in memory. I
just load mine when needed.

#: 17330 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jan-93  07:59:48
Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452

- 3)    When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and
 > uucp* set of programs for OSK? Mike Haaland has been working furiously on a
uucp/news package for the MM/1. We're close to seeing it as I understand. Hang
tight!

- 4)    Do wo have available the routines that
 > would allow an OSK machine to
 >         a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and
 >         b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a
 >                 lower baud-rate? I use a 9600 baud modem all the time with
V.32/V.42 with no problems. You do need to use a serial port that has all the
modem control lines such as /t3 or /t3 for best results. The port will also
need to do hardware handshaking (RTS/CTS) for best results. Xmode /t3 type=80
does this nicely with the new drivers/descrptors available in LIB 12.

'fraid I can't help with the other questions ... but hang in there!



*- Steve -*



#: 17348 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Jan-93  00:48:15
Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452


There are a few different UUCP packages and NetNews systems available for
OSK among them are CNews and Rick Adam's news software that comes with his
UUCP package.

Check the UNIX forum for source to QWK-mail-readers, I don't know of any
binaries for OSK.

As for ZIP, we do have an Un-Zipper, but no-one has attempted porting the
UNIX Zipper as far as I know.  (Maybe I should look into ZIP for OSK!)

For your slow ASCII uploads, I think there is source for a program called
slowio that will do the trick, if not, it's pretty trivial to write one:

main()       
{
    char c;     
 
    while (c = getc(stdin)) != EOF) {
         putc(c,stdout);
    }
}

call it from the command line like:

slowio <file >/tx

Hope this helps,

 - Mike -

PS there is RN for OSK too.

#: 17326 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    05-Jan-93  18:24:36
Sb: #17023-#A New Terminal Program?
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat tc70!

There is 1 Reply.

#: 17331 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jan-93  07:59:53
Sb: #17326-A New Terminal Program?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143

 > I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat
 > tc70!
 > I'll amke sure Mark sees your message! User interest is a sure fire way to
gain features!

Thanks!


*- Steve -*



#: 17335 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jan-93  21:56:14
Sb: #Ved/68K upgrade
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: All

For those of you who do not check the libraries on a regular basis for new
uploads (wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which
automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum?) I
have uploaded a new product announcement for Ved 2.0. Registered owners of 1.x
have been mailed upgrade letters... if you don't get yours please contact us!

There are 2 Replies.

#: 17337 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    07-Jan-93  11:53:45
Sb: #17335-Ved/68K upgrade
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

 >Wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which
 >automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum?

Yeah, but...

For most folks, who already complain that they see the "News Flash" bulletin
too often, having a list of a lot of files that they're not interested in would
only make their online session less friendly.

After all, the single command:

   BRO/LIB:ALL/AGE:x

would display the new files in every library for "x" days, and can easily be
added to a macro.

To impose mandatory-read thingies on people has been demonstrated time and time
again to be counterproductive.  Believe me.. I've fought that battle a long,
long, long time ago and lost.

Wayne

#: 17361 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Jan-93  19:29:15
Sb: #17335-#Ved/68K upgrade
Fm: Ken Gideon 72270,664
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

um, Did I ever get around to registering my vpt/ved? (I have ved serial# 10041,
and vpt serial# 7715 if that helps, bought them at last years chicago
cocofest... from CoCoPro...)



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#: 17366 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Jan-93  21:57:33
Sb: #17361-Ved/68K upgrade
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Ken Gideon 72270,664

Ken, nope...you never sent in the registration. I'll fill in the slots in my
user log. Also, I'll mail out the update ann. to you. Still at 1230 S. Summit
Dr?

#: 17342 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    07-Jan-93  18:12:22
Sb: Disk Formats
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: All

I was fooling around earlier with different disk formats and figured some of
you might be interested in the results. This is on an mm/1 using ed #4 of
rb36c65.

 sector size      256         512        1024
 sct/track         36          21          11
 ileave             2           2           2
 trans. rate     18.6        21.6       23.02   meg/sec (read, write slower)

 disk cap.       1440        1680        1760   kilobytes

You might note that using 1024 byte sectors you get a total storage appx. 33%
greater than the 33 sector/track standard of the mm/1. Some cautions: you may
not be able to exchange disks with other users (or even different disk drives)
if you use the above formats and using a larger sector size means that more
space may be lost with small files.

Timing were done with Mark Griffith's 'ddtest' program.

However, you may want to consider this for 'fsave' and 'lha' type backups of
hard drives, etc.

#: 17345 S1/General Interest
    08-Jan-93  21:24:09
Sb: MM/1 System for sale
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I have to move, so I must sell my MM/1 system.  It includes the two-board
extended MM/1 system with 3 megs RAM, 105 MB Connor Hard Drive, CM-8 monitor,
keyboard, official IMS case, 2 HD 3.5" floppies, all distribution software,
OS-9/68000 v. 2.4 (complete with manuals), TOPS software, plus lots more
(graphics, sound, applications).  This system is in great condition and is
ready to go (I'm using it to post this!).

Asking price: $1350 takes everything (shipping included).

If you are interested, or just have questions, please leave E-Mail, or even
better, call me at [405] 372-6359.

I really hate to part with it, but I really, REALLY need the cash.  Potential
parents, uh, owners must be kind and loving.  ;)

Thanks,

  --Colin  [73777,1360]

(If you call and I'm not home, PLEASE leave a message and I will get back to
you!)

#: 17346 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
    08-Jan-93  23:29:38
Sb: #Monitor? Flex? OS9?
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
To: ALL '09 users

Hi there... I've got a bit of an odd request. :^)

I'm an Amiga user; 68040 based machine, you may (or may not) be familiar with
it.

A favorite processor of mine has always been the 6809; I used to own various
bus level systems, and I've designed a few into machines myself - done just
tons of ASM programming for the '09, too.

Well, one of my little projects has been to create a 6809 emulator - and as of
this morning, it seems to be up and running 100%.

The environment is simple - the '09 memory space, rom emulation, ram emulation
and very limited device emulation (a 6850 ACIA to be precise). That's enough to
do many things, among which are run flex or OS-9, given a system monitor and
disk hardware emulation. I'm up to the emulation - what I'm looking for is a
copy of Psymon or some other '09 monitor - I've got it running "Assist09", the
monitor in the Motorola manual, just fine, but frankly, it stinks. :^)

So, anyone have any ideas?

Ben Williams

There is 1 Reply.

#: 17356 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
    10-Jan-93  23:20:15
Sb: #17346-#Monitor? Flex? OS9?
Fm: Tom Carey 71501,1544
To: blackbelt 76004,1771 (X)

Ben.
I have Psymon for the SWTP 6809. I think it is Rom. If that is any help let me
know.  I still have the old SWTP machine. I never got OS9 to run on it. I
always had hopes.


There is 1 Reply.

#: 17358 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
    11-Jan-93  23:48:19
Sb: #17356-Monitor? Flex? OS9?
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
To: Tom Carey 71501,1544

That would be a huge help - in fact, how would you like to sell that SWTP,
with goodies and etc? I'll be happy to swap some $$$ for it; DO you have
Flex for it, or something else? We can carry this on EMAIL, that would be
fine with me.

CIS always seems to come through, doesn't it - I love this network, it's
the best there is, period, end of story (and I do tech support for our
company on BIX, the Internet, Portal, our own company BBS and Genie... I
have some measuring sticks to compare by!)

--Ben
       ...via AutoPilot



#: 17347 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Jan-93  23:33:22
Sb: It's Kevin!
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227

Kevin! Here you are... :^) Tried to call you the other day (see my message here
in sec 11 for details) but the phone # I had was too old. Glad you're still
floating around, I am. :^)

How about emailing me your new particulars so I can chatter at you?

Ben

#: 17353 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Jan-93  09:54:33
Sb: #17008-atari osk u.k.
Fm: David George 72240,134
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464

I have an Atari Mega ST 2 with the OSK 2.2 (Microware version) that does
support the ICD host adapter (nothing special was required).  I have the
ICD adapter with the clock on it (trouble is no OSK driver for it, also
no driver for the clock that is on the Mega motherboard).  Microware only
supports the 520ST and the 1040ST although it will work on the other ST's.
Also the Microware version does use the ST BIOS.

#: 17355 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Jan-93  22:22:10
Sb: a teaser
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: all

Re: CD-ROMS - here is a teaser ;)

rmcd2: cdrcat
Root Directory Listing:
Directory(/):
flags       size         date       sysa  name
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42  26  .
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42  26  ..
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 13:42:39  26  DISCPASS
--a---    335244 1990-12-21 17:44:34  26  DISCPASSAGE.;1
-d----     12288 1991-01-08 13:42:40  26  DP
------      1870 1990-09-20 12:37:08  26  INSTALL.BAT;1
------    575616 1990-12-24 09:27:42  26  MENUTEXT.DAT;1
------     32400 1990-12-24 09:28:00  26  MENUTEXT.IDX;1
------      1339 1990-12-23 22:37:18  26  MSGTEXT.;1
------    307978 1990-06-22 13:33:30  26  PUBLISH.SCF;1
------    119747 1990-12-21 16:38:56  26  USH.EXE;1
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42  26  USHIST
Pathname to open? : ushist
Directory(ushist):
flags       size         date       sysa  name
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42  26  .
-d----      2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42  26  ..
------      8192 1990-12-23 21:22:30  26  AUTHORS.IDX;1
------     12012 1990-12-23 21:21:52  26  AUTHORS.MAS;1
------     32768 1990-12-23 21:22:38  26  SUBJECTS.IDX;1
------    120403 1990-12-23 21:22:08  26  SUBJECTS.MAS;1
------     30720 1990-12-23 21:22:46  26  TITLES.IDX;1
------    104816 1990-12-23 21:22:20  26  TITLES.MAS;1
------    806912 1990-12-23 12:02:20  26  WORDS.IDX;1
------  15129617 1990-12-23 11:26:32  26  WORDS.MAS;1
Pathname to open? :
rmcd2:

#: 17359 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Jan-93  05:02:39
Sb: CD-I in Trouble
Fm: Eric Crichlow 71051,3516
To: All


    Just back from a Vegas Consumer Electronics Show that was very interesting
(and somewhat disturbing.)

    Conspicuous by their absence was Philips, with CD-I. Surprising, at least
to me, since they've actually started promoting it in tv ads yet they don't
show up to the first, and probably the biggest trade show of the year.

    This bodes especially badly since one of the biggest displays at the show
was Panasonic, which has joined forces with a company whose name escapes me, to
produce a product called, if memory serves me correctly, 3D-O. Basically 3D-O
is, well ... CD-I. It basically has everything that CD-I does, except that it
uses a 32 bit RISC processor made by a company that I've never heard of, and it
doesn't (at least I don't think) use our favorite Op Sys. Its got expansion
ports on it for *possible* future expansion into a computer. And Panasonic
seems to be pretty strong in support of it as they have already contracted with
over 60 software companies to produce CD titles for it.

    Probably the most discouraging thing about the show was seeing the
incredible detail, work, and quality that are apparent in the upcoming crop of
computer and CD games and software products. Disturbing because it became
apparent to me that the single, or even dou or trio of programmers can't hope
to produce anything competive with, or even remotely interesting in comparison
with the stuff being brought out by the big companies with teams of
programmers. Make no doubt about it, the stuff coming out on CD in the next
year is unbelieveable.

..Eric...

P.S. As an aside, at least somebody out there is using CD-I. I just today
discovered that the Ramada Reservation Center (where I work) is using a Philips
CD-I player to familiarize its agents with the hotels they're selling. Go
Ramada!

#: 17370 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jan-93  18:11:42
Sb: Termcap
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: David George 72240,134

David, I finally got around to printing a copy of the termcap file you
uploaded. I notice that some of the entries have a (G), * or ** (and
combinations) appended to the end of the line. Ummm, what does this mean?

BTW, this is really very comprehensive. Seems to cover printers and modems as
well as some pretty fancy terminals.

Press <CR> !>