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26 
27      WELL, FORREAL, WAS IT YOU THAT ERASED THE LAST 2 LINES OF LUKE'S 
28 MESSAGE ON DISK B?  I KNOW THAT YOU REPLACED WHAT WAS AN EMPTY SECTION,
29 BUT I HESITATE TO ACCUSE.  OH WELL, THE "JERKS" (YOUR PHRASE, NOT MINE)
30 HAVE THEIR PLACE TOO, AS THIS IS A FREE FORM BBS.
31 
32      NEW SUBJECT ANYONE?  HOW ABOUT THE CURRENT INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT
33 SPONSORED CENSORSHIP?  IT SEEMS THAT THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION IS 
34 FRIGHTENED THAT EVERYONE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT IS
35 GOING ON IN THE WORLD, SO THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO INTERFERE WITH 
36 THE SPREAD OF INFORMATION OF ALL KINDS.  WHILE I CAN UNDERSTAND THE
37 DESIRE TO KEEP REPORTERS OUT FROM UNDER-FOOT DURING THE GRENADA INVASION,
38 AND THE CORRECT NOTION THAT ADVANCE KNOWLEGE MY THE FORCES ON GRENADA 
39 WOULD INCREASE AMERICAN CASUALTIES, I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY
40 WEREN'T ALLOWED IN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE INVASION.
41 THE FACT THE AMERICAN PRESS WASN'T PRESENT HAS PLACED THE VERACITY OF 
42 MUCH OF WHAT THE ARMED FORCES HAS CLAIMED TO BE IN DOUBT.  THIS IS
43 REALLY ONLY A MINOR ITEM, BUT IT IS A SMALL DROP IN A LARGE OCEAN OF
44 ADMINISTRATION PARANOIA ABOUT JOURNALISTS.  MOST PRESIDENTS EVENTUALLY
45 FEEL THAT THE PRESS IS "OUT TO GET THEM", MOSTLY DUE TO THE ADVERSARY
46 NATURE OF AMERICAN JOURNALISM.  BUT REAGAN SEEMS TO HAVE GONE A STEP
47 FURTHER INTO FEELING THAT THE ENTIRE FIELD OF JOURNALISM IS MERELY AN
48 INSTRUMENT OF THE KREMLIN.
49 
50      I SUPPOSE I COULD HAVE PHRASED THE ABOVE IN A MORE HOSTILE AND
51 CONTROVERSIAL FASHION IN ORDER TO ENGENDER HEATED DEBATE, BUT I'M SURE
52 THAT OTHERS CAN DO IT FOR ME.  ANON, CAN YOU GIVE US THE LIBERTARIAN
53 POINT OF VIEW?  ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE "YOUNG CHRISTIANS FOR
54 REAGAN" OUT THERE?  HOW ABOUT SOME JOHN BIRCHERS?  LET'S HEAR IT FROM
55 ALL SIDES, FOLKS!
56 
57      OR WOULD YOU PREFER SOME OTHER SUBJECT?                          
58 
59      DOM?  ARE YOU OUT THERE?  HELLO?
60 C'MON, DIRTY, DON'T LEAVE US!
61 
62      DID ANYONE WATCH THE INFAMOUS "UNDERTAKER SKETCH" ON MONTY PYTHON
63 LAST WEEK?  "I THINK WE'VE GOT AN EATER!!!"
64 
65 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM+[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
66 
67 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
68   LUKE: I DON'T THINK I WILL NEED A RIDE TO THE TOWN CENTER BUT MAYBE A RIDE
69 HOME. WHAT TIME SATURDAY? I WILL BE THERE!! HOW DO I SEE DISK B?
70 IT SEEMS EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS BUT ME. IS THIS DISK B? I AM JUST A LOST 
71 MIND TRING TO WADE THROUGH ALL THE CONFUSION. CHAT WITH YA LATER.     
72 
73 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-JODY-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX
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75 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
76 
77    Hmmmmm......
78   The slightest spectre of censorship leaves me with an alltogether
79 sense of forboding.....
80 Regardless of the reasoning applied to its justification .
81 In many circumstances it is only the fear of the press that keeps many
82 of our elected tyrants from abusing their offices more than they already
83 do.  
84 I for one reject entirely the notion of censorship. << ON ANY LEVEL >>
85 If the action or information is not for public consumption  then so be it
86 but should it leak out to the press then       
87          1. It was designed for public effect.
88  or      2. One of our public officials has breached his "responsibility"
89 and should be removed.
90 
92 Anyway... I have regained my perspectiveon "T-D-A"  and although
93 it shocked me I feel now that we should effect a dialogue with USSR
94 to promote a more stable relationship.  Through the need of mutual 
95 interdependence build down to that mythical level of 
96  < Fundamental planetary hygiene >
97 
98 
99 Aaron,  M & T IS Tri Metable
100 
101 ::::::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
102 This machine, it played one.
103 It pushed start and program run.
104 It's an IBM 360/85;
105 This computer came alive.
106 
107 This machine, it played two.
108 Overloaded voltage to the CPU.
109 It's an IBM 360/85;
110 This computer came alive.
111 
112 This machine, it played three.
113 Designed its memory to one IC.
114 It's an IBM 360/85;
115 This computer came alive.
116 
117 This machine, it played four.
118 Changed its logic from AND to OR.
119 It's an IBM 360/85;
120 This computer came alive.
121 
122 This machine, it played five.
123 Memorized data from tape drive.
124 It's an IBM 360/85;
125 This computer came alive.
126 
127 This machine, it played six.
128 Told the CE what to fix.
129 It's an IBM 365/85;
130 This computer came alive.
131 
132 This machine, it played seven.
133 Printed out the road to Heaven.
134 It's an IBM 360/85;
135 This computer came alive.
136 
137 This machine, it played eight.
138 Shipped itself to Rome, Air Freight.
139 It's an IBM 360/85;
140 This computer came alive.
141 
142 This machine, it played nine.
143 Told the Pope it was divine.
144 It's an IBM 360/85;
145 This computer came alive.
146 
147 This machine, it played ten.
148 To sing once more push start again.
149 It's an IBM 360/85;
150 We computers are alive.
151 #############################H.A.R.L.I.E. & P-1#############################
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153 
154      JODY, WHEN YOU FIST COME ONTO THE SYSTEM, YOU ARE ON DISK A.  IF 
155 YOU WANT TO SEE DISK B, TYPE DB.  WHEN YOU WANT TO RETURN TO DISK A,
156 TYPE DA.
157 
158      TO EVERYONE:  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE TYPE "OFF" WHEN YOU LEAVE THE
159 SYSTEM, OR YOUR MESSAGE MAY BE LOST!!!  AS MIKEY HAS SAID, THIS CLOSES
160 THE DISK PROPERLY, AND ENSURES YOUR FILE IS SAVED.  IT IS OBVIOUS WHEN
161 SOMEONE HASN'T DONE SO, BECAUSE WHEN THE NEXT PERSON CALLS, THEY ARE
162 GREETED WITH "FILE UNSAFE".
163 
164      ALEX, I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OR SEEN DOM AROUND THE INN.  HE HAS
165 EITHER GIVEN UP ON OUR GATHERING ENTIRELY, OR NO LONGER HAS TIME FOR
166 THIS KIND OF DIVERSION.  TOO BAD, HE WILL BE MISSED.
167 
168      AARON, KEEP US NOTIFIED ABOUT YOUR BBS.  WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO CALL
169 IT?  BREAD BOARD?  CORD BOARD?  FLOOR BOARD?  BOARD TO DEATH?  YOU'VE
170 GOT TO BE CREATIVE!
171 
172 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM+[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
173 
174 ln 24
175 print
176 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
177 It's obvious sombody's been smoking their sweat socks again.
178 Anybody into heatshrink headwarmers?
179 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
181  
182 Clackamas Town Center , I am on a Columbia VP1600 portable
183 Would the sysopp call me at 6590097 and tell me how you go about set
184 up a bbS.
185 off
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187 THE THING THAT SCARED ME ABOUT "THE DAY AFTER" WASN'T THE SHOW ITSELF EVEN 
188 THOUGH UNDERSTATED THAT IT WAS, BUT THE PANEL ON VIEW POINT AFTERWARDS. IF
189 THESE ARE THE MINDS THAT ARE RUNNING OUR COUNTRY AND PERHAPS THE WORLD WE 
190 ARE IN REAL TROUBLE! THE ONLY BREATH OF
191 SANITY WAS FROM CARL SAGAN AND EVEN HIS CREDENTIALS ARE SUSPECT. AS FOR EVEN
192 ALLOWING THE WORLDS BIGGEST BIGGOT, WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY TO PARTICIPATE MADE 
193 C.B.S. SUSPECT IN MY MIND. SHULTZ, KISSENGER, AND THE REST OF THE REAGONITES
194 CERTAINLY DIDN'T OFFER ANY SURPRISES AS TO THE NUCLEAR MIND OF WASHINGTON 
195 THESE DAYS.
196 
197 ##################C.Y.M.#############################11/23/83 12:54PM#######
198 You an attorney, PAM?  A slur against a silent soul, albeit subsequently
199 disavowed, still tarnishes the target.  If you are not one to accuse, why
200 bring up a TOTALLY UNWARRANTED accusation?  Of course I wouldn't erase 
201 someone else's lines.  Were I to be in the habit of doing so, I would take
202 the time to kill half of the junk hereon, including all the wasted lines
203 users seem to consume in efforts to make their verbiage more than it is.
204 Free-form messages, yes.  Spray-can valueless graffiti, phooey.  FORREAL
205 ...........................................................................
206 }
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208 
209      FORREAL, I ASKED IF IT WAS YOU.  NO SLUR WAS INTENDED, OR EVEN
210 IMPLIED, THOUGH I MUST SAY THAT THE ONLY PARTY GUILTY OF A SLUR IS YOU
211 WITH YOUR REFERRENCE TO OTHERS OF A DIFFERENT TEMPERMENT AS "JERKS".
212 I FIND IT EXTREMELY INTERESTING THAT YOU WOULD FEEL SLURRED BY A SIMPLE
213 QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU ERASED A MESSAGE, AND YET YOU FEEL FREE TO
214 USE SUCH SLANDEROUS VERBIAGE AGAINST OTHERS.  DO YOU FIND A SIMPLE
215 QUESTION OF ACTIONS OR INTENTIONS TO BE A SLUR, BUT ACTUAL NAME-CALLING
216 NOT?  DOES SUCH A QUESTION CONSTITUTE AN ACCUSATION IN YOUR MIND?  AND
217 IF SO, WHY?  AND IS YOUR OWN ACCUSATION OF WASTE AGAINST THOSE THAT IN-
218 CLUDE AN EXTRA BLANK LINE BETWEEN SUBJECTS, OR AGAINST THOSE THAT ENTER
219 LARGE NUMBERS OF BLANK LINES WITH NO SEEMING PURPOSE?  AS TO WHETHER I
220 AM A LAWYER, THAT IS A QUESTION I REFUSE TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT IS BOTH
221 NON SEQUITUR TO THE ISSUE AND RELATED TO MY PERSONAL LIFE (WHICH I WILL
222 NEVER ANSWER, AS IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS).  REMEMBER, NEITHER YOU
223 NOR I OWN THIS BBS, IT IS THE PROPERTY OF THE SYSOP.  BEING FREE FORM,
224 IT ALLOWS SOME TO ENDULGE IN JUVENILIA, OTHERS TO PONTIFICATE, AND
225 YOU, I, OR ANYONE ELSE TO COMPLAIN.  SHORT OF MIKEY'S RIGHT TO ELIMINATE
226 ANYTHING HE FINDS OFFENSIVE, IT IS ABOUT AS CLOSE TO TRUE FREEDOM OF
227 SPEECH AS I HAVE EVER SEEN.
228      YOU SPEAK OF WASTE.  I USED TO THINK THAT ANYONE THAT DIDN'T USE 
229 MA 128 WAS A WASTER OF SPACE, SINCE SO MUCH MORE COULD BE INCLUDED IF
230 EVERYONE DID.  BUT I FOUND OUT THAT MANY CAN'T RECEIVE PAST MA 80, SO
231 ANY WRITING PAST THAT POINT WAS LOST.  I ALSO FOUND THAT THERE WAS A
232 SMALL BUG THAT CAUSED ALL LINES ENTERED TO THE 128th COLUMN TO BE
233 PRINTED WHEN USING THE FI AND FA COMMANDS.  SO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS WASTE
234 WAS MERELY SOMETHING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.  WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS
235 THAT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, AND WHAT
236 YOU DON'T KNOW MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS RELATING TO A DECISION.
237 ONCE AGAIN, I INTENDED NO SLUR UPON YOUR CHARACTER (AND I STILL FEEL
238 THAT NONE WAS GIVEN), BUT I APOLOGIZE ANYWAY, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PEACE.
239 
240      C.Y.M, YOU HAVEN'T COMMENTED MUCH LATELY, BUT I'M OVERJOYED TO SEE
241 YOU BACK.  WELCOME, WELCOME, ETC.!  I LIKE 'EM CLEAN AND YOUNG!
242 
243 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM![][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
244 
245 P.S.  HI MIKEY!!  I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU RECENTLY, AND I'M GOING
246 THROUGH CYSTOP WITHDRAWAL!  GA OR SK    (SNICKER, SNICKER!).
247 
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250 
251 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
252 My name is Don I work at Clackamas Town center
253 
254 off
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256 180 Hi there mY name is don I work at Clac. Town cntr.
257 off
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259 MANY THANKS, PAM, FOR THE NICE COMENT. I HAVE BEEN KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU 
260 ALL HERE E AT THE INN BUT REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TOO MUCH TO SAY LATELY, EXCEPT 
261 FOR THE LACK OF INPUT FROM DOM, THERE HAS BEE NO REAL MIND BLOWING DISCUSSIO
262 NS. I REALLY THOUGHT THAT AFTER "THE DAY AFTER" THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF NEW 
263 IDEAS THROWN ABOUT BUT I GUESS I WAS WRONG. 
264 GUESS THE RUSSIANS ARE GETTING TIRED OF THE REAGAN RHETORIC ALSO. THEY WALKE
265 OUT OF GENEVA AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD.
266 I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT REAGAN WOULD DO IF THEY TRIED TO DEPLOY THEIR MIRVS UP 
267 IN CANADA AND THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WENT ALONG WITH THEM? IT'S NOT HARD TO
268 UNDERSTAND HOW THE EUROPEANS FEEL ABOUT THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR MISSELES ON 
269 THEIR LAND, AFTER ALL LOOK AT THE OUTCRY ABOUT THE MX'S IN UTAH, NEVADA, ETC
270 HELL, WE DON'T WANT EM EITHER.
271 
272 ########################################""""PS THE INITIALS ARE ONLY PARTLY 
273 CORRECT. SHOULD CHANGE TO "C.O.M."
274 #######################################################C.Y.M.###############
275 ###############11/23 33 3:38PM##############################################
276 ----------------------------------------------------------------     
277   HEY DON...... DON'T YOU WORK AT THE CLACKAMAS TWON CENTER????
278 I MEAN THE CLACKAMAS 'TOWN' CENTER.
279 
280 -------------------------------------------=JODY=---------------------------
284 [][[][][][][][]   1647   11/23
285 
286 DONT WANT TO BE A LURKER !
287 (IN ACTION, NOT NAME, SORRY
288 LURKER) HAVE A HAPPY 
289 THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE.  BE
290 THANKFUL THAT THE WORLD
291 IS STILL IN ONE PIECE.
292 
293 [][][][][][][]   DJJ   [][][]
294 
295 PAM:
296 PAM: 
297 OMIGOSH!;  Somebody actually asked MY opinion of something.  Well, I can't give you the 'libertarian' opinion of the
298 Grenada invasion, since I don't know what it really is.  However, I will give you my opinion.  It is quite mixed.
299 First, nearly all Central and South American countries are run by either a true dictator, or a very dictatorial one-
300 party system (or a system where one party is very dominant.)  Few of us would feel 'free' in such places.  And when they 
301 invite Cubans in to build a 'civilian' airport, this happens without the true consent of the population.  In fact, even the 
302 president who was killed was Marxist, tho less so that the new guys.  Finally, even Castro himself strongly criticized (at
303 least in public) the killing of that president.  So it could be said that we are freeing the Grenadians from undesired 
304 occupiers.
305 However, remember that the army (Marines, Navy, etc) were financed through taxes (i.e. theft) and therefore are 
306 inherently tainted.  Probably many of the soldiers were in the services because of a tight job market, made tighter because 
307 inefficiencies of unconstitutional government regulation, taxation, etc.  It is estimated that for every job generated by the
308 military, more than one (don't remember the exact figure, about 1.5) jobs are lost in other areas of the economy.
309 And also, it is not the job of America to keep the rest of the world free.  There are too many petty tyrants out there, 
310 like Castro, Khaddafi (how do you spell his name, anyway), Khomeini, Marcos, and others, to try to reform the world, 
311 especially with force of arms.  I am as perturbed with the liberals, fawning over the left-leaning dictators, as I am with 
312 the conservatives, supporting their own favorite regime.  I am glad that Reagan postponed his trip to the Phillipines, giving
313 the finger to Marcos.  We have made too many mistakes by supporting the pro-US leader, only to alienate the non-aligned 
314 populace.  Nicaragua and Iran are only two examples of this type fiasco.
315 So do I support the invasion of Grenada?  Do I oppose it?  Neither.  It is precisely the kind of action I would expect
316 from this government.  Note that I didn't say, 'from Reagan.'  Have you ever heard the word, 'Republocrats.'?  It means
317 Republicans or Democrats.  It doesn't matter who you vote for, you'll get higher taxes, bigger deficits, more spending, less
318 freedom.  Like clockwork.
319 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon ::::::::::::::::::
320 p.s.  You said that many people can't read over 80 columns.  I was under the
321 impression that most terminal programs could read over 80; just a small fraction
322 couldn't.  I can stand ma 80, but I abhor anything smaller.  Perhaps we should
323 take a poll and find out just how many people can't read 80+.
324 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23 Nov 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
325   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   19:46   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
326      The wind sighs among the slender branches of aspen, and ruffles
327 the stream's surface with the gentlest of touch.  It is a dark night
328 but for the ancient creaking lamp hung outside the Inn's back door,
329 and its guttering light reflects only a glint here and there upon the
330 slowly-moving water.  Listen:  its voice is full of mourning and fear,
331 and debris can be seen floating amidst the shifting greys...
332     Inside the Inn, a young girl sparks anger at a grizzled old-timer:
333 "Analog Alan, your eyes must be smattered with rain and the dust of the
334 road to see what you claim of me!  Your comparison was unwarranted, and
335 unjust as well.  Do not think that all relationships are like those 
336 betwix you and your wife--!"
337      With a swirl of rain-bejeweled cloak, she turns away, only to see
338 the Innkeeper once again avoiding her eyes.  The anger drains away, and
339 she lifts a hand in appeal, almost calling out to him.  "I wonder..." 
340 she agonizes, watching him busy himself cleaning up after his guests,
341 "Did he ever receive the unlabeled package sent so long ago, generous
342 with the sinuous profiles of my dragons' shadows?  I entrusted it to
343 the government's messengers--but perhaps they scorned to deliver it?"
344 The Innkeeper whisks off to the kitchen, with a crying, cajoling cat
345 at his heels, and the girl bestirs herself to notice the hour.  When
346 he bustles out moments later and sends a surreptitious glance her way,
347 there is nothing but the raindrops that sprang from her hood when she
348 tossed her wild mane and spoke...
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351 Regarding the column question, MA 80 is fine, anything larger or smaller
352 is fine too. I am not picky. My only thought on the subject is that an agreed
353 margin should be useable by all. I would gladly give up greater than 80 
354 characters per line if it meant someone could not read past that. I realize
355 we don't get as much information on a disk with 80 characters as we would with
356 more, but I believe Mikey does a good job of recycling disks(a thanksless
357 job no doubt), and there have been very few times I personally have run out
358 of space(just the other day though). Anyway, lets agree on a margin
359 that everyone can be happy with.
360 
361 Regarding 'The Day After' and the following panel discussion which I thought
362 was more enlightening on the current situation than the movie was : 
363 I think the movie did its purpose in provoking much more dialogue on the
364 subject of
365 nuclear weapons. Most of the people I have talked to at school and work
366 watched Ted Koppel handle national big wigs, and were quite impressed
367 with both him and the people on the panel, except for the jewish philosopher.
368 I agree someone like him should have been there, but I thought he didn't
369 do a very effective job of getting his point of view across. One must wonder
370 if he was invited because he was a philosopher, or because he was jewish,
371 and has lived through one holocoust already. We even got to hear
372 Carl Sagen say 'Billions and Billions'... He
373 Henry Kissenger was his usual self, talking about how he started this
374 dialogue 25 years ago, and how he wrote the book, etc...
375 Enough of this for now. Anyone else have any opinions on the panel? Anyone
376 else care to comment at all? Or is the general concensus that we pick a new
377 discussion?
378 To Jody : How about sometime around noon? Is that OK with you? And we
379 meet initially at the video game place? And on top of all this, I have a 
380 R&R trivia question for you that of you can answer, well let's just say
381 it it tough, but not impossible.
382                                      au revoir
383 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
384 385            CARL SAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 
386 387  
388 Thanks, PAM---I needed that.  How logic does become you!   Truce?  FORREAL
389 ........................................................................
390 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:
391   LUKE: SATURDAY AROUND NOON IS FINE WITH ME. I WILL BE THERE. I AM LOOKING FOR-
392 WARD TO YOUR R&R TRIVIA QUESTION. IF ITS ABOUT VAN HALEN I SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY 
393 PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY THOUGH.
394                               AU REVOIR-
395 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:-JODY-:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:P.S.:*:*
396          HAPPY THANKS GIVING TO ALL!!!!!!!!
397      SPECIAL THANKSGIVING WISHES GO TO:
398  
399  LUKE, PAM, AARON, MY BROTHER 'REV.MOSES', ALEX, ANON, ANALOG 
400 ALAN, CYSTOP MIKEY/MIKE, HROGATHAR(IS THE SPELLING EVEN CLOSE?)
401 AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DOM;WHEREVER HE MAY BE.
402 
403   IF I HAVE LEFT ANYONE OUT WHO'S OPINION I RESPECT GREATLY,
404 PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I MIGHT OF FORGOTEN YOU ON A SCREEN BUT NOT IN MY HEART.
405  
406         HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY!
407 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:JODY:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
408 
409          LEROY - ARE YOU STILL THERE?
410 
411 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
412 FOR CARL SAGAN TO BE ELECTED PRESIDENT
413 HE WOULD NEED BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS !
414 
415 DJJ
416 
417 But if Carl Sagan ran for president, how many votes would he get?
418 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
419 
420   I for one would feel greatly relieved if one of such competence was elected
421 Perhaps it is time for a scientist President ??.
422 Someone with an objective greater than his own ambition ?
423 
424 :::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
425 %#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#
426   MY SISTER WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. 1 VOTE. I BET HE'D BEAT REAGAN!!
427 OH WELL.
428 
429 #%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%#%
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432 Carl Sagen for president? He is certainly well known enough. He seems to have
433 a great deal of common sense. And being a man of science, we could certainly hop
434 he would use his scientific judgement to make desisions instead of rash
435 emotionalism. But would people vote for him? Would someone like him get any
436 help from the main political parties. Like it or not, I don't think we are
437 ever going to see a president who doesn't fit in the mainstream political
438 mold.
439 Is anyone watching or will be watching the WARGAMES series on ABC? Edwin
440 Muskey as president(it's probably as close as he'll ever come), and several
441 former administration personel in other various roles.
442 ||||
443 To Jody...OK...Saturday around noon at the electric whatever. I hope this
444 turns out good. I will wear brown.        a bien tot
445 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
446 
447 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
448 I can't tell you how the third world war will be fought, but I can tell you 
449 how the fourth would be. With sticks and stones. 
450 Actually, though I can confidently say there will not be a full scale nu-
451 clear confrontation.
452 By the way d, where've you been? Too busy to come play with my new Commodore
453 toy? Anyhey, I know yours is better, but.........
454 
455 
456 ALL: It sounds like we need an organizer for this party to get organized. 
457 Hayden sounds good to me and "d" agrees. So 
458 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
459 DEBORAH  
460 ********************************************************************
461 WHERE AM I? GAD, I'VE BEEN SO BUSY OF LATE THAT I MISSED TWO WHOLE DISKS!
462 LUCKILY I CAN GO BACK AND READ THEM. I SEE THAT THE DAY AFTER HAS GENERATED
463 THE EXPECTED RESULTS (SO WHAT?) BE THAT AS IT MAY, I FOUND IT TO BE A BIG
464 BORE. I'VE SEEN MUCH BETTER GRADE 'B' S.F. MOVIES WITH THE SAME PLOT AND
465 STORY LINE. THE ONLY THING THAT MADE THIS MOVIE EVEN NOTICIBLE WAS THE
466 CRY OF FOUL BY THE NUCLEAR PRO AND CON FOLK. MAIN WORRY? THAT THE PEOPLE
467 IN CHARGE OF THIS MESS ARE AS EMOTIONAL ABOUT THE ISSUE AS FALWELL AND 
468 FRIENDS. I'VE HEARD FACTS AND FIGURES FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET THAT
469 ARE SO BLOATED AND BLOWN OUT OF SHAPE AS TO BE TOTALY UNRECOGNIZIBLE FROM
470 THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THE DATA (SOME OF IT HAS JUST PLAIN BEEN MADE UP).
471 THE FACT THAT NO ONE IS TREATING THE SUBJECT RATIONALLY (EVEN CARL SAGEN
472 IS USING EMOTIONAL EXCITATION TO 'PROVE' HIS FACTS) IS WHAT FRIGHTENS ME
473 MORE THEN ANY OTHER ASPECT. THE MOST BEFUDLING THING I FIND IS THE CONCEPT
474 THAT WE 'MUST' BUILD MORE AND MORE BOMBS TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING USED, OR
475 PREVENT KADDAFY ET AL FROM MAKING ANY. SAY WHAT?!! WHAT WARPED SENSE OF
476 MIND CONCEIVED THAT THOUGHT? IF KADDAFY WANTS A BOMB HE'LL GET A BOMB,
477 IF ANYTHING THE ENORMOUS VOLUME OF EXISTING BOMBS MAKES IT ALL THAT EASIER TO
478 EASIER TO NICK ONE, OR TO DIG UP THE SPARE PARTS TO MAKE YOUR OWN. ALL IN
479 ALL, I AM VERY UNIMPRESSED. OH YES, IN REGARD TO A PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT
480 SOMEONE MADE TO THE EFFECT THAT IF YOU SEE THE BLAST, IT'S TOO LATE, THAT
481 IS PURE POPYCOCK. THAT ASPECT OF THE BOMB IS WELL KNOWN AS TO ITS EFFECTS
482 BOTH IN REAL TESTS, AND IN USE. TALK TO SOME OF THE SURVIVORS OF HIROSHIMA
483 OR NAGASAKE. YOU DO A MAJOR DISSERVICE TO THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE 
484 THIS MADNESS ENDED TO EXAGERATE TO SUCH EXTREMES. FOR IF YOU WOULD
485 EXAGERATE IN THAT, THEY CANNOT HELP BUT WONDER AT WHAT ELSE YOU ARE
486 EXAGERATING AT.  BUT ANYWAY, ON TO OTHER THINGS...
487 d: YES, THE PACKAGE WAS RECEIVED. THANK YOU (BELATED)
488 JODY: THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.
489 PAM: HELLO? TRUE, BUT THEN IT IS DIFFICULT TO COMMUNICATE IN ANY FORM WHEN
490 I AM NO WHERES AROUND TO COMMUNICATE WITH. I HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND MUCH 
491 TO DO MUCH COMMUNICATING WITH BY ANYONE OF LATE. BUSY BUSY BUSY...
492 SO HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ONE AND ALL!!! (SK??) Snicker..
493 ****** FROM YOUR CURRENTLY BLOATED AND STUFFED CISTOP MIKEY ***************
494 P.S. 'CYSTOP'? TSK TSK BLOATED (CURRENTLY) MAYBE, BUT DISEASED? TSK TSK
495 *************************************************************************
496 help
497 
498 
499 run stop
500 /Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/
501 /Z/Z/ XENON /Z/Z/
502 WHY DOES THIS
503 SYSTEM THROW ME
504 OUT OF ENTER MODE?
505 (W/OUT ENTERING
506 THE LINE)
511 
512 /Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/Z/
513 
514 Thoughts on "The Day After":
515 
516 As others have said, the movie was not all that the media led us to 
517 believe.  However, I must point out that the panel discussion was 
518 probably one of the more lucid discussions of the nuclear arms
519 issue that has been delivered before a live audience over a public
520 media source.  I wish that there had been more time for McNamara to talk
521 about his ideas and for discussion of other strategies for disarmament
522 and the easing of world tensions.  Many forget that international
523 relations are a bit like children dealing with each other at the ages
524 of 6-15.  They try to find some kind of identity for themselves in
525 terms of the others around them.  This analogy is simplistic, but the
526 idea is there in the main.  Substitute the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R.
527 for a couple of the children and you have the picture.  The problem
528 is that the stakes are much higher than personal identity, pride,
529 or a bloody nose.  Millions of lives and the existence of states hang
530 in the balance.  It is so easy to view international relations in a
531 simplistic way because we have either forgotten the above analogy or
532 have no experience with a world bigger and more complicated than our
533 own small, private worlds of work, family, and personal needs.
534 One reason the Europeans have such a seemingly different view of
535 international relations is that they have had to deal with different
536 cultures, ideas, and political systems in close proximity.  This is
537 not to say that they have been always successful, but they have done
538 fairly well since World War II.  The U.S and the Soviet Union have
539 not faired so well.  The "Bully" syndrome of the little kid applies
540 here especially well.  If you have more power than the people around
541 you, the temptation to exercise it is hard to resist.  That seems to
542 be the way of the world.  As Kissinger said on the panel, our task
543 is to learn how to recognize when either party is under the "power"
544 influence and move back to a position where the problems can be dealt
545 with in a way that is not threatening to the "national ego" of the
546 partys involved.  
547 
548                   BACH
549 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
550 
551 Speaking of which, why did Beethoven get rid of all of his chickens?
552 
553 Because they kept saying "Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach......"
554 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
555 WATCHED DAY AFTER TOO BUT DIDNT WATCH THE POLITICAL FRACUS---SEEMS TO ME
556 THAT THE POLITICIANS WHO MAKE THE MANY COMPROMISES AND CHOICES BASED ON
557 THEIR OWNB POLITICAL PRESSURES WERE PROBABLY STILL DOING THE SAME THIONG\
558 AGAIN AND SO WATCHING THEM DISCUSS A PROBLEM LIKE NUCLEAR WAR ON TV IS MORE
559 LIKE WATCHING A SOAP OPERA AND CERTAINLY BY NO MEANS REFLECTS THE REAL 
560 COMPROMISES THAT ALL POLITCIANS HAVE MADE SINCE POLITICIAN CAME IN TO BEING
561 THE TRUTH IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND NATIONAL GROUPS REALIZE THAT
562 POLITICAL AND RACIAL BARRIERS ONLY CONTINUE THE DIVISIVE NATIONALISM THEN
563 WE AS A HUMAN FAMILY MIGHT BE ON THE TRTACK TO CONTINUING OUR SPECIES.
564 IF ALL HUMAN BEINGS 
565 WERE STRIPPED BARE WITH NEITHER CLOTHING FOOD SHELTER POLITICS RACE DIFFEREN
566 CES OR ANY OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OF LIFE ME MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT 
567 MAN IS ONE MAN 
568 SO IN CON                             CONCLUSION IT MIGHT BE BETTER IF
569 SOME ONE BIGGER THAN OURSELVES WERE TO REDUCE THGE HUMAN FAMILY TO THE 
570 PRVIOUSLY MENTIONED STATE OF DRESS ETC. IN ORDER TO TEACH HUMANKIND THE 
571 LESSON THAT WE ARE TRULY ON MANKIND.
572 OFF
573 *********************************************************************
574 COME ON, ISN'T ANYONE GOING TO FILL THIS DISK UP BEFORE DRIVE A GETS FULL?
575 **** CYSTOP MIKEY <AHEM> **********************************************
576 
577 A lot of bull about man being stripped naked and realizing "THE TRUTH"
578 isnt quite dealing with reality. The world as it stands is made up of a
579 lot of scared and ignorant people, ourselves included. Let's channel our
580 intellect and energy toward a lower and more realistic goal: tolerant
581 coexistence. 
582 
585 Well be lucky to achieve that!  
586 
587 It's all a matter of communication. As technology increases communication
588 it may also cause communication to outstrip escalation. Buty that's later,
589 son, right?
590 
591 
592 
593 
594 WELL, SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO FINISH THIS DISK OFF
595 I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO.
596 
597 THIS IS REALY NOT EASY TO JUST COME UP WILL
598 A BUNCH OF JUNK TO PUT OUT HERE WITHOUT ANYTHING
599 OF IMPORTANCE BEING SAID.
600 SINCE THIS DISK WILL SOON BE PUSHED INTO THE ARCHIVES
601 AND NO ONE WILL EVEN SEE THIS.
602 
603 BUT, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SINCE I WANT TO 
604 ARCHIVE THIS DISK NOW WHILE I'M DOING
605 THE REST OF THE DISKS.
606 
607 TYPICALY I HAVE BEEN RUNNING BACKUPS ONCE A MONTH
608 I USE TO ONLY DO THEM EVERY SIX MONNTHS, 
609 BUT THE INCREASE OF ACTIVITY HERE THIS LAST YEAR
610 HAS CAUSED ME TO HAVE TO DO IT ONCE A MONTH.
611 
612 I NORMALLY MAINTAIN A STOCK OF 10 TO 12 DISK
613 FOR USE WITH BWMS AND WHEN THEY FILL UP
614 I THEN UPLOAD THEM TO AN 8 INCH CPM DISK
615 FOR PERMINATE ACHIVING.
616    
617 THE OLD BWMS DISKS ARE THEN RECYLED 
618 FOR USE ON BWMS AGAIN.
619 
620 BUT ANYWAY, I SEE THAT I STILL HAVE 
621 ABOUT 10 LINES LEFT, AND I AM TRYINNG
622 TO DECIDE WHAT ELSE TO SAY TO
623 FILL THIS THING UP.
624 SO I GUESS I'LL 
625 JUST TYPE 
626 SHORTER AND SHORTER
627 LINES UNTIL IT'S DONE.
628 WELL, THAT ABOUT DOES IT, SO I GUESS I'LL GO ARCHIVE THIS DISK.
629 ************ CISTOP MIKEY ********* 27 NOV 83 ***** 7:00PM *********

