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86208 13-MAR 13:25 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86193)
     From: MITHELEN     To: RANDYKWILSON

Yes.. I know I did have the swamped DSR-CTS hack working flawlessly before
I changed the 6551. But one problem with that, is that hack then messed up
using swamped DSR and DCD operation... I'm not an assembly programmer, nor
do I play on on TV, so couldn't figure out that one...
--
Paul

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86212 13-MAR 13:58 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86207)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NEHOWARD

To get the maximum possible throughput on a "moderm" modem, you need to set
the port speed to 4 times (at least) that of the raw speed. This is because,
for data compression to be effective between the modems, you have to be able
to transfer it to/from the modem faster at each end, then the modems  actually
talking to each other.
--
Paul

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86214 13-MAR 17:57 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86176)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: NEHOWARD

You should also be able to install another scsi47 driver set with different
names and use another two drives. Chris Burke says that can be done with the
CoCoXT drivers to support more than 2 drives (and CoCoXTs in that case), but
the drawback is the memory two sets of drivers take up. Of course your
situation would be temporary, so this should be acceptable- all you need to
do is make a boot disk with the two sets of drivers/descriptors while doing
the HD to HD backups.

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86223 13-MAR 19:39 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86212)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MITHELEN

 > To get the maximum possible throughput on a "moderm" modem, you need to
 > set the port speed to 4 times (at least) that of the raw speed. This is

That's what I was wondering about.  My 2400 modem in V.42bis would supposedly
be capable of nearly 9600.  If I set my CoCo to 4800, the only thing will be
that I won't get the speed the modem is capable of, isn't it?  I don't think
it will be able to handle 9600.  I can tell a big difference in text coming
across the screen @4800 vs 2400.


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86226 13-MAR 20:02 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86212)
     From: NEHOWARD     To: MITHELEN

That makes sense, otherwise the data compression would be rather useless
with the port locked at the actual baud rate! Too bad the coco cant go
above 19200! Then we could speed up things a tad.

Nelson

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86227 13-MAR 20:07 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86214)
     From: NEHOWARD     To: DSRTFOX

I had thought about doing that. using dEd to 'rename' CCHDISK to somethine
like 'CCBINKY' and having /h2 and /h3 look for 'CCBINKY' as the driver but
yeah, that would take up a LOT more room. the drawback is that Ken Scales
says the scsi47 drivers are 'hard coded' for only 2 drives. I wonder if that
means 2 drives at any address or 2 drives starting with the begining address?
If it is 2 at ANY address, then it could be done easily. If it is 2 drives
starting at the begining address then I would have 2 drives addressed the
same and may wind up with a real mess! Something to think about I guess.

Nelson

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86232 14-MAR 00:47 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86092)
     From: DIETER       To: CBJ

 > Ah but Dieter, you have modified your serial port.  I am talking about an
 > unmodi
 > unmodified pak and running NO patches such as powerboost or Nitros.
 > Carl
 >
Oh!  I stand corrected...  But way are You still using the unmodified port?
You should also patch all Your memory modules, for better operation.  All the
patches are here on Delphi and some on CIS...

Before I purchased the 63C09 and NitrOS-9, I still was able to use 9600 baud
with my RS-232 port, I just had to replace the 6551 chip with the Rockwell
65C51PE chip and add two Nano Caps, did not cost much at all...   I recommend
that change at least...


                       Dieter

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86233 14-MAR 00:47 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SandV BBS (Re: Msg 86093)
     From: DIETER       To: CBJ

 > Dieter,
 >      Are you running a stock serial port and stock OS-9 with stock modules?
 > I think not.
 > Carl
 >
You are right!  I'm NOT...   But way are You still doing that?  Most patches
are on Delphi or CIS, and the cost to modify the TANDY RS-232 Deluxe pack is
negligible, and the rest is cost free so to speek (on Delphi)...


                       Dieter

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86234 14-MAR 00:49 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86167)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: MARKGRIFFITH

RE:86167

Just to back up your observation that there is nothing wrong
with the 6551 in most situations, I have many 6809 based
industrial systems running 24hrs a day at 19.2kbaud that use
the same chip.  Most of them haven't been touched for several
years.  They are used in interfacing programmable logic
controllers to a larger process control system.  These sytems
use dedicated software (no OS9 ), sor the 6809 is very
adequate.

Allen


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86236 14-MAR 01:14 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86121)
     From: RICKULAND    To: NEHOWARD

yes

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86239 14-MAR 01:36 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86123)
     From: RICKULAND    To: MITHELEN

 Paul,

        Hehe- there are TONS of sneakiness with getting the 65c51 truely stable
in a 6551a pak- it can be done...... blame the diode on the cart line
or the 87 bazillion semi-good 65c51's out there..........
        I finally got these dogs working in my Mini-232, mainly by trial and
error didoe swaps- the tiniest signal diode one can find is best- one that pops
if you wave your hand over it is about right. Otherwise the cmos can't assert
a hard irq, methinks. The diode is needed but unwanted.
Ps- about to start stacking 16550's, if thats what it takes, to get CoCoIO
out:-)
                                                -ricku

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86241 14-MAR 02:05 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86167)
     From: RICKULAND    To: MARKGRIFFITH

Yet another disagreement..... it's true the 6551 _shouldn't_ affect
data thruput, put the CoCo's irq latencey is measured in days. Tripping
this most convoluted path every byte has a bit to do with many problems-
often what we are testing is how well the OTHER system can handle handshaking
without dribbling a few chars or timing out.
                                                -ricku

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86243 14-MAR 07:34 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86189)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MITHELEN

Paul,

 > but, it sure as heck has a LOT to do with data integrity... which effect
 > throughput dramatically, when data constantly has to be resent.

If you are having flow control problems, that is a different thing.  If
you don't need to hardware flow the chip, it works just fine at speeds up
to 19.2kbaud.  If your software was fast enough to receive data at 9600
baud, you wouldn't need flow control.

I seriously doubt that the chip causes any degradation in the serial
stream.  Too many programmers would like to blame their problems on
faulty hardware or compiler errors when the problem is their code.


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86249 14-MAR 20:11 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86243)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MARKGRIFFITH

But, in the 6551's case, the chip IS at fault for faulty (or at least
STUPID) handleing of a CTS transission... it stops transmission
IMMEDIATELY, even within the middle of a byte, and if it is in the
middle of a byte... if just throws out the rest of the bits! This IS
documented, and thus the reason the new version was designed.

Handshakeing is also necessary even if the transfer protocal is perfectly
capable of keeping up on an unloaded system, because, not all system
are always unloaded, and, on a CoCo, transmitting data bi-directionally
AND doing anything else is overloading the available CPU power.
--
Paul

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86252 14-MAR 20:24 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86232)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: DIETER (NR)

What were the two Nano Caps for?
  --Andy

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86269 15-MAR 07:27 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86234)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: AJMLFCO

Allen,

 > Just to back up your observation that there is nothing wrong
 > with the 6551 in most situations, I have many 6809 based
 > industrial systems running 24hrs a day at 19.2kbaud that use
 > the same chip.  Most of them haven't been touched for several
 > years.  They are used in interfacing programmable logic
 > controllers to a larger process control system.  These sytems
 > use dedicated software (no OS9 ), sor the 6809 is very
 > adequate.

Thanks for your input.  As you noted, the problem most people are
experiencing is software related, maybe 50% of that due to the
overhead of OS-9 (this is just a guess).

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86270 15-MAR 07:27 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86241)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: RICKULAND

Rick,

 > Yet another disagreement..... it's true the 6551 _shouldn't_ affect
 > data thruput, put the CoCo's irq latencey is measured in days.

Yeah, when you have the GIME doing the IRQ handling, you probably
will have problems.  Again, this has nothing to do with the 6551,
but in the case, is a firmware problem.

The classic fix for this is the hard-wire IRQ hack.  I and many other
people did this a long time ago and the IRQ problems vanished.  I
don't know about all these other hacks to various OS-9 kernals to get
the same effect.  Perhaps they don't work as well as one would expect.
Also, there were problems with the original ACIAPAK drivers that many
people have been trying to get around for some time judging by the
number of drivers released over the years.

The most sure fix for CoCo serial problems is 1) do the hardware IRQ hack
and 2) get an ACIAPAK that works well, has a fairly large I/O buffer
and uses the suspend state.  Note that all these are not related to
the 6551, but fixes for other problems.

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86278 15-MAR 21:27 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86227)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: NEHOWARD

I think what you described WILL work.... won't hurt to try, just crash the
system! Shouldn't hurt the hard drives or info themselves, as long as you try a
few reads before a write!

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86287 15-MAR 23:52 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86207)
     From: CBJ          To: NEHOWARD

It has to do with the data compression, etc.  the faster the modem gets the
data the more efficiently it can send it in compressed mode.  The same goes
with decompression.
It seems the rule of thumb is the Comm port should be running at twicw the
speed of the actual connection of the modems.  If you are running a 9600
baud modem with error correction and data compression enabled and your Comm
port set at 9600 you will actually see a decrease in throughput.  Makes
sense when you think about it.
Carl

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86288 15-MAR 23:55 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86232)
     From: CBJ          To: DIETER (NR)

But I said that the CoCo wasn't capable of 9600 baud as a stock system.  If
it is modified then it isn't stock.  I didn't say it wasn't wise to modify it,
just that in stock form it couldn't handle it.  Best wishes,
Carl

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86289 15-MAR 23:57 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SandV BBS (Re: Msg 86233)
     From: CBJ          To: DIETER (NR)

Actually I've tried the mods...they didn't work on my Comm 4 board.  Paul
Jerkatis can testify to that.  I'll probably try them again now that I'll
be having some free time soon.
Carl

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86294 16-MAR 00:19 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86270)
     From: RICKULAND    To: MARKGRIFFITH

        But Mark, it does. Not per se, indeed the newer 65c51 is awful
decent for a single byte port, and the smarts in there are pretty cool.
While the hard fix or the newer software fixes ensure they (irqs) are all
handled, what I was driving at is the actual speed of the thing!
        They way babyOS9 operates, the LAST thing you want to do is trip
the irq code every 10 bits. How long one can _prevent_ recept of data
is not considered a feature here.
                                -ricku

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86316 17-MAR 00:56 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86249)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: MITHELEN

But, the CTS problem is only applicable to data going
OUT of the CoCo, right.  This is a possible problem if
1.   The other device, such as a modem, is not able to
     keep up with the CoCo's output.

2.   The port is set up for hardware handshaking.

3.   The data stream is steady (not "bursty").

It would seem that any problem would be less pronounced with
a faster modem because it would be able to avoid the need to
handshake with the CoCo.  A smaller transmit buffer might
be helpful, too.

Allen

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86323 17-MAR 05:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86287)
     From: NEHOWARD     To: CBJ (NR)

Yeah, did some experimenting with my Supra 14.4K v4.2bis/MNP5 modem as of
late and yup, works just like you said. If I disable ALL MNP and V4.2 commands
in the modem profile, she handles speeds up to 14.4K on the BBS reliably, but
if I enable MNP5/V4.2bis, the serial port seems to overflow and everything
imaginable happens!!! I guess 19.2K just isnt fast enough speed to xmode /t2
at to catch all of it!!!

Nelson

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86324 17-MAR 06:58 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86249)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MITHELEN

Paul,

 > But, in the 6551's case, the chip IS at fault for faulty (or at least
 > STUPID) handleing of a CTS transission.

Now we're talking about something completly different.  Like I said, I
don't doubt that the 6551 has some problems, but not being able to
handle data at 9600 bps is NOT one of them.  That was your original
statement.


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86325 17-MAR 09:45 Telecom (6809)
     RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86324)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)

No Mark, that was NOT my original statement... The original statement was
that using Stock OS-9 level 2, and a stock RS-232 pack, with standard 6551
ACIA, your could not get reliable 9600 baud comunications. And this is what
this whole thread has been about. I stand by this statement, because it
is 100% truthful and fact... To argue this point any further is a complete
waste time...
--
Paul

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86209 13-MAR 13:42 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86201)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DBREEDING

The GIME toggle clock modules (clock ED#9) eliminates the need for a hot
wired IRQ line to the CPU. If you have more then one device generating
IRQ's in the MPI, then you need to strap the line 8's together on those
slots to slot 1.
--
Paul

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86222 13-MAR 19:38 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86209)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MITHELEN

 > The GIME toggle clock modules (clock ED#9) eliminates the need for a hot
 > wired IRQ line to the CPU. If you have more then one device generating
 > IRQ's in the MPI, then you need to strap the line 8's together on those

Thanks, I thought maybe so... I may hook up my MPI and give it a try.  I
suppose then I will be able to use the hardware flow control?  I'm currently
using IX for my message stuff here and on CI$, and OSTerm for my other
stuff.  SACIA will handle all the RTS/CTS stuff?   The sacia I have came
from esw110.ar, got it yesterday(?), I suppose this is current, are there any
patches for it?

Buncha Q's, eh?


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86247 14-MAR 19:54 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86222)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DBREEDING (NR)

Yes... SAcia will do the hardware handshakeing... There are a few patches
that allow more reliable operation at highspeed in the database (look
for the most recent, which should also contain al lthe pervious
patches) a "search sacia" in the system mods (or is it telcom) database
SHOULD find the patches... although, don't flogg me if it doesn't 8-)
--
Paul

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86255 14-MAR 21:52 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86247)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: MITHELEN

As far as I can tell, the only SAcia patches in the db are the ones I included
with SuperComm 2.2. One of these days I'm going to have to chase down Bruce
and see about permission to upload my SAcia mule (all patches plus some
enhanced syscalls).


   Randy

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86262 15-MAR 00:10 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86255)
     From: MITHELEN     To: RANDYKWILSON

I thought I uploaded my modified patches, that had the CTS/'DSR hack in them.
also... I'll have to do a search for them...
--
Paul

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86264 15-MAR 00:20 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86262)
     From: MITHELEN     To: RANDYKWILSON

Hmm.. I guess you were right... I didn't upload my patches to SAcia to here.
Probably cause I couldn't get ahold of Bruce fro permission...

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86275 15-MAR 20:30 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86264)
     From: THETAURUS    To: MITHELEN

 Does Bruce even exist in the OS9 world anymore, or has he gone on to other
 things, like many others have?
 >Chris<

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86285 15-MAR 23:48 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86275)
     From: MITHELEN     To: THETAURUS

I havbe no idea...

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86319 17-MAR 01:30 General Information
     RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86255)
     From: DSPICER      To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)

 Theres no law against an .ipc with your changes for Sacia is there?

[Access CoCo of L.A.(Lower Alabama)   (205)598-2100   Fido: 1:18/75]

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End of Thread.

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86210 13-MAR 13:47 General Information
     RE: MM1 & SCSI (Re: Msg 86205)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NIMITZ

And, there is the hardware repair that will allow use oif the 4 meg
simms on the I/O board, for those that are skilled in hardware hacking
(or they can have someone do it for them for a price)
 I recently (this week) did the hack on my MM/1 and the extra memory
is a nice thing to have.
Dave, are you offering this hack as an alternitive to the 8 meg
backplane?
--
Paul

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86217 13-MAR 18:27 General Information
     RE: MM1 & SCSI (Re: Msg 86210)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MITHELEN

Actually, Kevin Pease and Mark Griffith are still offering that upgrade.
I do not offer the upgrade, nor will I warrant upgraded boards (moot point for
now, as my first system won't ship until late this month, or early next month.

)  I offer the 8 meg card because it is the ONLY way to allow eventual 10 meg
RAM for an MM/1.   And because if offers no risk to the I/O board if properly
installed and easier installation.

         David

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End of Thread.

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86211 13-MAR 13:51 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86206)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NEHOWARD

you need to use the "xmode" command that came with sacia.. and then:
xmode /Tx xtp=?p

where TX is the port,and "?p" is the number of pages of RAM to use as
buffer space (0-F, with the same high nibble that was there before)
A typical example is:
xmode /T2 xtp=04

for setting a 1024 byte receive buffer on /T2.
--
Paul

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86219 13-MAR 18:52 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86196)
     From: JWILKERSON   To: DENNYWRIGHT

  You must use the upgraded Xmode.   Not the stock one to change the Sacia
buffer.

Seeya
          -- John

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86225 13-MAR 20:00 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86211)
     From: NEHOWARD     To: MITHELEN

OK, I can live with that as I dont remember exactly how it is done! It's
been too long! If that is the case, what size buffer do I have set if I
have my /t2 xmoded to xtp=85??? That is where I run mine at and the system
works great. Just curious.
Nelson

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86248 14-MAR 20:02 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86225)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NEHOWARD

That would be a 1280 byte buffer... I cant recall what the "8x" part does.
is that for setting swamped DSR/DCD operation... It has been a LONG time
since I used a CoCo...
--
Paul

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86272 15-MAR 18:14 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86248)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: MITHELEN

How do you set the buffer in Sacia? I also use T2 Sacia combo and have xtp=85
set in T2. But I have no idea how to set the buffer in sacia.

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86284 15-MAR 23:47 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86272)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DENNYWRIGHT

The buffer is set in the Descriptor (/T2) not the driver (Sacia)... You
set the buffer size by using the new xmode that came with SAcia, and changeing
the low nibble of the xtp byte to the number of 256 byte pages of system
RAM to use as buffer space... so.. your xtp=85 means you have 5 pages, or 1280
bytes... I can't remember off hand what the hight nibble of xtp does... chack
the manual/doc file that came with SAcia... it is ALL explaind there...
--
Paul

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86299 16-MAR 18:11 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86284)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: MITHELEN

Thanks! I found the problem though. I just started replacing modules with
differant crc's from the boot that worked but was buggy and found I was using
the old stock clock module. I replaced it with the latest version and whoait
works fine again! Thanks an
yway!

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End of Thread.

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86213 13-MAR 17:52 General Information
     RE: os9 under (Re: Msg 86155)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: BROWN80

"ZOGSTER" here is one of Alan's regular writers, bye the way. He usually
handles E-mail and can pass things along if need be.

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86257 14-MAR 23:16 General Information
     RE: os9 under (Re: Msg 86145)
     From: TMF          To: BROWN80

THANKS FOR THE INFO I DID NOT SEE THE MESSAGE CONCERNING THE EARTHQUAKE
DELAY.

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End of Thread.

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86215 13-MAR 18:10 General Information
     RE: Unix System V problem (Re: Msg 86166)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ALWAGNER (NR)

No, it's not discouraging at all! I'm not the admin here either, just an
operator (and handle 90% of maintenance also!). Good thing is I pretty much
have the system to myself over weekends and from 7:00pm in the evenings to
about 6:00am. I just published a backup schedule and for that time the
system is MINE! If I want or need to reset it, I do! Actually, we reset ours
about once every two weeks anyway- not for maintenance per-se, btu usually
because we've made some configuration change, and a new boot list has to be
made every time something is moved around. With 240 odd terminals, 50 odd
printers, and another 40 or so remote users (either dedicated phone line or
dial-up), things change occasionally! If I haven't reset the system in a couple
weeks, I do it anyway one night the backups go kind of fast.

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86216 13-MAR 18:19 General Information
     RE: Size of RAM disk (Re: Msg 86188)
     From: FHOGG        To: BRIANGOERS

Use dmode to change the size of sectors per track (I think that is the one)
Anyway after changinf deiniz and iniz /r0. Play with the values till you get
what you want.

Frank

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86218 13-MAR 18:39 General Information
     RE: Size of RAM disk (Re: Msg 86203)
     From: JES68K       To: BRIANGOERS

An even more direct method of changing the ramdisk size, is by using MODED
the Module Editor ..... with it you can editor any module directly, even
os9Boot.  Look in your manual and read up on MODED ... its easy to use and
once you have finished editing, nothing else need be done, quick and easy.

I like it much better than using DMODE or reassembling from assembly source
code and using os9gen, etc.

     === Jesse ===

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End of Thread.

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86220 13-MAR 18:55 General Information
     CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9
     From: JES68K       To: ALL

Okay, folks ------ the CoCo2 Emulator Rev 1.3 now runs Level One OS9 as
per the author's latest efforts at improving this MS-DOS program that
supports our favorite machine, the Color Computer 2, actually one of our
favorite machines.  The author states that he may code up an Emulator for
the CoCo-3 (in the future when he has more time), especially if it were
a commercial program (maybe $25 or so).

This is hot off Internet! Enjoy!

For more support of emulator type programs, access ACS BBS in Atlanta
at (404)636-2991 .... our new 1Gig hard drive is looking for many new
programs for our users to enjoy.

Filename is COCO2-13.ZIP when it appears in NEW UPLOADS.

    === Jesse ===

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86293 16-MAR 00:02 General Information
     RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86220)
     From: CBJ          To: JES68K

You may quote me as saying I'd be willing to buy a CoCo3 emulator if it will
run OS-9 level2!  $25.00 is more than reasonable.
Carl

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86305 16-MAR 20:50 General Information
     RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86293)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: JES68K (NR)

Jesse, he can get at least $50... my $25 along with Carls!

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86318 17-MAR 01:10 General Information
     RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86305)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: DSRTFOX (NR)

Agreed, count me in for anyother $25 (In fact, if it was made, that might
just be the thing to push me over the edge and to buy a 486dx2, I dunno
if it would work, (might be a bit TOO much) but how about OS-9000
DOS emulation, running OS-9 Level 2? or OS/2 DOS emulation running OS-9
Level 2.

:) My dream system for the hardware + $125 ($100 for OS/2 and $25 for
the CoCo)

Yeah, if a coco 3 emulator that ran OS-9 Level 2 (though I bet some
patches wouldnt work, if the patch requires a special hardware mod..)
were available..I dont think there would be a heck of alot to stop me
from buying a top-of-the-line PC. Except maybe a PowerPC running, well
everything :)

<- In quest of the Holy Grail of Computer ->  -* Mike

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End of Thread.

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86221 13-MAR 19:06 General Information
     RE: The Future (Re: Msg 85827)
     From: TOMFANN      To: TEDJAEGER

What happened to MVSystems?  I bought some stuff from them a few years ago.

..Tom Fann

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86306 16-MAR 21:19 General Information
     RE: The Future (Re: Msg 86221)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: TOMFANN (NR)

MVSystems sold both OS9 Level II and MSDOS products when I licensed
DeskTamer to them. Sales of MSDOS products were going better and the
cost of the Rainbow ad was not being returned in sales. I would
guess that MVSystems still exists (I'd call the phone number from the
Rainbow ads if interested in a product) but Mike Woolley and I
discontinued the DeskTamer arrangement as he was quitting advertising.

Bests
---TedJaeger

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End of Thread.

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86224 13-MAR 19:57 Programmers Den
     RE: print formatter (Re: Msg 85931)
     From: TOMFANN      To: MDALENE

VPRINT from Bob van der Poel does proportional printing, if that is what you
want.

..Tom Fann

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86228 13-MAR 20:15 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85843)
     From: TOMFANN      To: KEITHJABBOTT (NR)

The best word processing program under RS-DOS is Telewriter 128, but its
distributor, Cognitec, seems to have disappeared.  It is both powerful and
very easy to use.  If you can find someone willing to sell his copy, buy it.

The next best under RS-DOS is  Simply Better, available from Rick's Computer
Enterprise at (606) 787-5783.

Under OS9, the best (again, IMHO) is VED and VPRINT from Bob van der Poel in
Canada at (604) 866-5772.  It is very similar to Telewriter, and you have all
the advantages of OS9.

Max-10 is a WYSIWYG word processor (mouse-based) under RS-DOS, available from
Alpha Products in Connecticut at (203) 656-1806.  The advantage to this one is
that it is like a desktop publishing program, meaning there are a lot of
different fonts available for it.  You could use it to make your own newspaper.
You are limited to the fonts in your printer with the other ones.  It is
also easy to use; my 14-year-old daughter uses it all the time.

Any of the above put SCRIPSIT to shame.  I know - I started with Color
SCRIPSIT.

..Tom Fann

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86229 13-MAR 20:26 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85871)
     From: TOMFANN      To: DSRTFOX

Word Power is still available from Microcom Software, the very same people
who used to advertise in The Rainbow.  It is in no way "orphanware".  I
talked to them on the phone last weekend and informed MRUPGRADE that he
should not consider it "orphanware".  Just because a vendor no longer
advertises does not mean he is out of business.  All you have to do to check
is pick up the phone.  Unfortunately, the last known number for Cognitec
(Telewriter) "has been disconnected".

BTW, CoCo Max III and Max-10 are still available from Alpha Products
(Colorware), as they have been for years.  MRUPGRADE was informed of this also.
Someone
told him these products are "orphanware".  Not true.

..Tom Fann

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86237 14-MAR 01:19 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85871)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: DSRTFOX

  As Tom says,,, you may be able to find MAX-10, Word Power etc. (Rick does
 carry Simply Better),, if youo dig deep enouhh,, nad have enough past years
 magazines to dig through.
  However,, to satisfy Tom Fann,, I've looked in some of my system buys, disk
 files (I usually take all disks with).  And have several "Original Coppies
 each".   Since I don't place a high value on used software,, I7ll just put
 'em in the library.
       Is that OK with you TOM?
       they are original disks.
  However this is not a general for sale thing (no EMAIL please).  It is
 a club listing for members (and (smile) Tom).
  Thanks for the plug Frank.
   Til then,,, Terry Simons

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86242 14-MAR 02:26 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86229)
     From: RICKULAND    To: TOMFANN

 I also have a problem with this. It seems almost any program older
than six months is considered orpahned...... EVEN IF THEY ARE, copyrights
run close to a hundred years nowadays. Honest vendors pay good money for
old copies of this stuff, only to find it 'sold' for $9.95 as 'orphanware'
        We will sone have some true orphans- with MI&CCC the last purveyour
of CoCo software.
                                                -ricku

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86254 14-MAR 20:38 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86228)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TOMFANN

 > The best word processing program under RS-DOS is Telewriter 128, but its
 > distributor, Cognitec, seems to have disappeared.  It is both powerful
 > and very easy to use.  If you can find someone willing to sell his copy,
 > buy it.

 > Under OS9, the best (again, IMHO) is VED and VPRINT from Bob van der Poel
 > in Canada at (604) 866-5772.  It is very similar to Telewriter, and you
 > have all the advantages of OS9.

There's a darn good reason why VED/VPrint are similar to TW-128. While TW-128
was marketed by Cognitec, it was written by Bob van der Poel!!!

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions

 "Always in motion is the future." - Yoda


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86268 15-MAR 01:14 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86254)
     From: RICKULAND    To: COLORSYSTEMS

Bob has made a carrier(sic) out of Motorola test whackers, hasn't he?
Long live vdp!
                                -ricku
"Always in motion is the past." - Clinton

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86279 15-MAR 21:30 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86242)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: RICKULAND

I don't have a problem with orphanware in concept... but one DOES need to
be responsible in searching out those who no longer support a program. And I'd
say wait a reasonable time before accepting anything as "orphaned" ... say at
least three years. But that pretty much leaves most CoCo stuff open, doesn't it?

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86295 16-MAR 00:35 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86279)
     From: RICKULAND    To: DSRTFOX

        Actually, no.  The law unfortunately doesn't allow reasonability. Any je
rk
with $100 and a winning
smile might assume some copyright- not because the work involved is inherently
valuable, but to establisha  legal point. There is no such thing as
orpahware...... hmmmm, neat
typo- The men who duplicate software and the women who love them, next on Oprah!

                                -ricku

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86303 16-MAR 20:44 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86295)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: RICKULAND (NR)

I understand the possible legal implications, but in order to sue for damages,
one has to establish that sales were lost and damages incurred. Now, that would
be hard to do since the software hasn't been marketed for years! About the
only thing someone could do in this case would be to stop the distribution of
the software. I understand the copyright laws enough, I actually have on fully
registered copyright under the old laws (circa 1983... they were changed
around 1989 to the current standard where anyone puting a copyright notice on
an item is protected). I also talked with a lawyer about this.... unless
damages can be proven, you couldn't even get your legal fees back!

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86307 16-MAR 21:32 Applications (6809)
     RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86303)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: DSRTFOX (NR)

Just as a point, though.  Just because you couldn't win a court case doesn't
mean it's legal.  It just means you couldn't prove it.
  --Anyd
 (ooops)  --Andy

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End of Thread.

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86230 13-MAR 22:43 General Information
     New GIME
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: ALL

I'm back after suffering from all sorts of strange bugs and crashes.  It
turns out that my old GIME gave out on me.  New ones are available from
Radio Shack Consumer Mail.  The part number is MX-0992 and the cost is
a steep $34.17 + $2.00 shipping + tax.  Almost 40 bucks later, my coco3
is alive and well.  I can even run Gshell with my 2 megs, which wouldn't
work before.  It's like getting a new machine.

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86231 14-MAR 00:18 General Information
     RE: DISTO Products running Low. (Re: Msg 86073)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: DBREEDING (NR)

The 4n1 and a RS232 pak will both run on a short piece of ribbon cable.
I use my RS232 pak for /t2 with RTS/CTS etc. and use the
Disto 4n1 serial port for /t3.  Sacia will run'm both just fine
without a multipak.!

Allen

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86235 14-MAR 00:53 Applications (6809)
     hamradio
     From: K4OP         To: ALL


a
Are there  any os9 programs to use for ham radio uses?
If so where are they located? Bruce K4OP

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86258 14-MAR 23:35 Applications (6809)
     RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86235)
     From: WA2EGP       To: K4OP (NR)

Contact Bob Billson (if you have internet access - bob@kc2wz.bubble.org) for
a satellite tracking program.  I've also seem a morse code program (for the
CoCo) that will take a string characters and beep them out.  It does grab the
machine completely though.  That one might be in the database but I don't
know since a friend gave it to me before I got on Delphi.  There is also a
packet BBS program but that is for a 68020.  There may be other stuff but I
haven't seen it.   Bob

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86261 14-MAR 23:45 Applications (6809)
     RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86235)
     From: WA2EGP       To: K4OP (NR)

The morse program is in the database under applications.

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86277 15-MAR 21:25 Applications (6809)
     RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86261)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: K4OP (NR)

Dynamic Electronics has several HAM programs, including a keyer. Don't have
an address of phone # handy right now, drop me E-mail ....

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86286 15-MAR 23:50 Applications (6809)
     RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86277)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: DSRTFOX

  Check any (grin) recent UPGRADE magazine Frank.   we carry a full listing
 and yes their HAM is said to be of theh Best on CoCo.   If youo don't find
 it,, I7ll leave it next time I'm on line.
  Til then,,, Terry Simons

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End of Thread.

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86238 14-MAR 01:21 Games & Graphics
     RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86132)
     From: RICKULAND    To: TAULBORG

 This is a real slow relpy, do to various things. Perhaps I can help you out
after building a zillion BBXT boot's it's likely I have one here- or almost
one, at worst. Drop me a line with in mail if you are still stuck.
                                                -ricku

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86311 16-MAR 23:46 Games & Graphics
     RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86238)
     From: TAULBORG     To: RICKULAND (NR)

With help I have been able to get a simple boot going but I can't seem
to run king's quest and leisure suit larry and I am haveing probs with
supercomm!!! They all worked fine before and now with the new boot they
don't seem to work.I also can't get the help message system to work.
I have bought many coco's along with thier software over the years and
have ammassed a large pile of EVERYTHING almost.according to the local
os9 people I have to put more stuff in my boot file but I have looked
at evrything and most if not all of everything I need is there!
I really don't know what to do with all the files but they are there
and I just can't get them to work the way they are supposed to!!!!!
I am haveing no problem with the RSDOS part of my hard drive but I
really need a lot of help with the OS9 part.
I need to learn how to download files and what to do with them.
But before then i have to get supercomm to work again.
I also need to know how to add stuff to my boot file so that I can
get all this stuff to run off my hard drive!I would also like ANY info
on the XT-Rom because it would be neat to turn my coco on and get OS9
straight from the hard drive.I am really new at OS9 so please give
detailed info if you can give me any info,any questions asked will be
answered so help me if you can!!!!

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86314 17-MAR 00:24 Games & Graphics
     RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86311)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: TAULBORG (NR)

SuperComm v2.2, and KQ3/LSL all have one thing in common. They all use
virtual IRQs. There was a problem with the original issue OS-9 that affected
VIRQs. The easiest way to fix it is to use the INIT module from Fight Sim 2,
or just patch your existing init from 0F to 0C at offset 000C.
 Tis late here, I'll give you more detailed info tomorrow, if someone doesn't
beat me to it.

 Randy

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End of Thread.

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86240 14-MAR 01:57 Telecom (6809)
     BBS
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends:
Does anyone have a phone # for the Motorola BBS?
With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer

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86313 17-MAR 00:20 Telecom (6809)
     RE: BBS (Re: Msg 86240)
     From: JAYODER      To: REVWCP (NR)


>Dear Friends:
>Does anyone have a phone # for the Motorola BBS?
>With all best wishes,
>Brother Jeremy, CSJW
>OS9 User's Group Treasurer

Jeremy,

In my Motorola apps. guide for the M68HC705 microcontroller
their freeware BBS# is (512)891-3733. Use 8N1 at 1200/2400
baud.

I have used this BBS often, there is lots and lots of
stuff!

Jeff Yoder



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End of Thread.

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86244 14-MAR 07:34 Programmers Den
     RE: What is the latest g++ version (Re: Msg 86178)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: RHELLER


 > >> latest version 2.5.5
 > Is g++ or gcc?  On chestnut it *looks* like just gcc, not g++.

It is my understanding that the 2xx series of gcc included C++ support.
But don't quote me on that.....I've never tried it.


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86246 14-MAR 19:22 Programmers Den
     RE: What is the latest g++ version (Re: Msg 86244)
     From: RHELLER      To: MARKGRIFFITH

The archive on chesnut is 2.5.6 and does not contain a cc1plus file, just gcc2
cc2, cccp2, and the library and a couple of header files.  gcc is the driver,
cc1 (2?) is the C compiler and cccp is the pre-processor.  cc1plus (if it would
be there) is the C++ compiler.

Robert

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End of Thread.

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86245 14-MAR 08:19 General Information
     MM/1A Mouse Sanctification
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

After twiddling a bit with the msdrv disassembled code, I now have a source
code file which will assemble into either a mouse systems module *or*
a Microsoft/Logitech module.

Just to be sure it worked, I went out and purchased the same Logitech
TrackMan I did a week ago, hooked it up and now it works fine!  All
three buttons now function properly and the mouse cursor moves gracefully.

I've forwarded my changes to others for integration, so these modules
should be available soon.

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86250 14-MAR 20:13 General Information
     PC6300
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends:
Does anyone know what sort of CPU is in an AT & T
PC6300.  I have a chance to get one.  It has an
ST-225 and a 5-1/4 floppy so those alone would be
worth it.

With all best wishes,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
OS9 User's Group Treasurer

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86253 14-MAR 20:28 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
     From: WDTV5        To: REVWCP

Humm, seems I've got one of those bieasties at work & I think its got
a 68008 in it. Runs unix, BSD4.2 I think, never been able to get into it
due to unix's overblown security.  No need to really, I just call NCR/ATT
when it goes kaflooey, which it does quite regularly, usually due to a
flaky power supply or blown modem. It runs our CBS message system, receiving
data over a tletext (teletext) stream in the vertical interval, helps to
edit our replies, and modems them back to CBS. I'ts been pretty good since
I told them to either fix it or get that firetrap outta my building! I got
sick of smelling smoke all the time 'cause the techs couldn'tmber to
loop the ps wires back outta the fan blades. Its put together sorta weird
as you know.  That hump that holds up the greennie screen is the power
supply, and so far no two motherboards or power supplies have come out of
stock with compatible connectors, always a jury rig of some kind. /send nimitz
hi yerself
Got mail from nimitz better go. Cheers, Gene

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86256 14-MAR 21:55 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86253)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5

I would be highly surprised in a AT&T computer ran BSD unix. :>

   Randy

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86259 14-MAR 23:40 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
     From: WA2EGP       To: REVWCP

I believe it is an 8088.  My wife has one home but it has been a while since
I looked inside.  A 6300 is just their XT.  Don't confuse it with a 7300 which
is a UNIX machine (68010).

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86260 14-MAR 23:44 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
     From: WA2EGP       To: RANDYKWILSON

I'd be surprised if a 6300 ran UNIX since it is their version of an XT.

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86263 15-MAR 00:15 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86259)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WA2EGP

Bob, I have no idea what a 6300 is. I was refering to the fact that AT&T
wrote and owned unix (until recently). I would doubt that any of their
machines would come with the BSD clone. :>

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86265 15-MAR 00:58 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86253)
     From: LMCCLURE     To: WDTV5


     "Humm, seems I've got one of those bieasties at work & I
      think its got a 68008 in it. Runs unix, BSD4.2 I think, "

I think you may want to check the plate for the model number. The 6300 was
part of AT&T's Intel-based PC series. My May 1985issue of BYTE (which has
the machine you refer to on the cover), simply refers to it as "The AT&T
Unix PC", but I believe it also was known as the 7300.

BTW, the CPU is a 10Mhz 68010.


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86266 15-MAR 01:01 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
     From: LMCCLURE     To: RANDYKWILSON

According to BYTE, the AT&T Unix PC originally shipped with Unix System 5,
revision 2.


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86267 15-MAR 01:06 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
     From: RICKULAND    To: REVWCP

A little work with magic marker, and your new PC6309 is ready for upgrade.
                                -ricku

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86274 15-MAR 20:29 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
     From: WDTV5        To: RANDYKWILSON

You're absolutley correct, that copy is in a bright red box! So its
obviously the AT&T version. Cheers Randy, you gotta keep me on my toes!

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86276 15-MAR 20:34 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86265)
     From: WDTV5        To: LMCCLURE (NR)

Maybe, but it doesn't resemble the pix I've seen of the 7300. And Intel
sure didn't make the cpu thats in it.  I wonder how many diff prod runs
there might have been too, the one time I picked up the motherboard to
look, it did have a 68008!  But then this boards been swapped out at least
4 times now, and none of them were totally plug compatible with the
previous occupant of the bottom of the box! Maybe some did have 68010's
as they would be essentaiilly plug-n-play in that app. Cheers, Gene

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86282 15-MAR 23:15 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86276)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: WDTV5

THE 6300 system is a 8086......I saw one today!!!!
Dennis

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86291 15-MAR 23:58 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86263)
     From: WA2EGP       To: RANDYKWILSON

OK.  I agree.  It would be hard to imagine one of their machines with anything
but their "version" of UNIX.  OF course, if you can get a 6300 to run UNIX,
you must be a D**M good programmer (grin).

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86292 15-MAR 23:59 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86266)
     From: WA2EGP       To: LMCCLURE (NR)

The latest version was 3.5.1 but has been modified by users to a 3.5.1m.
I have two.  Neat old beasts.

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86302 16-MAR 20:28 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86282)
     From: WDTV5        To: COCOKIWI

I guess I'm gonna have to go look under the hood tommorrow, either I've got
the model or the cpu snafued.
Gene

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86304 16-MAR 20:49 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86291)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: WA2EGP

The version of UNIX is a moot point. AT&T sells machines to many vendors. If a
custom software/machine vendor set up the PC7300 they may not have purchased
the operating system from AT&T with the machines. So the PC7300 could very well
have come with "BDS"
 or whatever UNIX. I see this on the AF base all the time. We have some
"Monaco" automated fire alarm systems. The control unit is a Tandy 1000TX (286)
with a special BIOS in it. As far as we can tell, the only reason for the odd
BIOS is so the Monaco soft
ware won't run on anything else!! (no standard clone).

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86309 16-MAR 23:31 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86304)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DSRTFOX (NR)

Yes the 7300 may come from a vendor with some other flavor of UNIX but
1. I would imagine that it would come from AT&T with their version when it
   goes to the vendor
2. In my limited (very limited) contact with a number of machines, I haven't
   seen any with anything other than System V.  Maybe someone else could
   jump in if they have seen anything different on one.
As far as the AF machines go, well, sometimes the military does have a
"different" way of doing things than everyone else.  BTW, I think that special
BIOS is an excellent idea for preventing software piracy.  Of couse it shoots
s all to heck (Grin).  This all started because of confusion between

the 6300 and the 7300 which seems to me like confusing MS-DOS and OS-9 (ducking
and smiling...)

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86320 17-MAR 03:16 General Information
     RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86302)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: WDTV5 (NR)

either that or a new pair of Eyes!<grin>......It was funny,I was following this
thread over the last few days,I am in the process of installing an alarm
system at a Computer Non profit group<church>give kids access to computers!
the guy that runs it is a NETWORK tech! and has been collecting OLD
computers to use,and this guy pulls out this old box to check out,and I just
happened to see the AT & T label! the rest you know! I looked at the Back
label,and sure enough it WAS a 6300.....I then LOOKED more closly!!!<G>
dennis

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End of Thread.

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86273 15-MAR 19:55 System Modules (6809)
     Grfdrv Patch
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: ALL

I applied the 25 line grfdrv patch but I was wondering if anyone can tell me how

to patch the window descriptors so that they are 25 lines. Or do I have to
wcreate the windows with 25 lines?

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86280 15-MAR 23:09 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86273)
     From: JRUPPEL      To: DENNYWRIGHT

The easiest way that I found to modify my window descriptors is with Easyedit
found here in the Applications database. It gives you a chance, also, to adjust
step rates, fore and background colors and device configurations. It works
exceptionally well.
John

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86290 15-MAR 23:58 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86280)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DENNYWRIGHT

Of course... you can always look up the information in the OS-9 Technical
referance section. You should be able to find out whay bytes to patch
in the information on SCF file descriptors, and then use modpatch to make the
changes... This gives you a much more fuller understanding about how OS-9
works, and helps you to develop the skills to figure these types of changes
on your own in the future...

I don't mean to sound like I'm "ragging" on you... but if more people
would consult the manual or documentation onthese type of things, other
people wouldn't have to answer the same old questions over and over, again
and again...
--
Paul

P.S. I had a rotten day, so sorry if I seem uptight...

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86298 16-MAR 18:09 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86280)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: JRUPPEL

Thanks I'll look into it.

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86300 16-MAR 18:15 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86290)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: MITHELEN


Yeah I know but I still have trouble trying to figure out the war and peace
book. That's what I call the Manual because of it's size. I try to figure it
out nyself and I wish people would start quoting the manual or Like you did
tell me the part of the man
ual to look in. That little bit of info will be of great help inthe future.
F               or instance I didn't know Grfdrv was a SCF device or controlled 
by the SCF
module.

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End of Thread.

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86281 15-MAR 23:14 General Information
     Tandy Support Lives!
     From: TOMFANN      To: ALL

I discovered something today that seems to be virtually unknown in the CoCo
Community, and it is this:  almost ALL of the software that Radio Shack ever
sold for the Color Computer is still available by special order at your local
Radio Shack, and at very reasonable prices, in most cases.  This includes such
titles as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" @ $4.95, "Leisure Suit Larry"
@ $4.95, "Tetris" @ $19.95, "C Compiler" @ $69.95, and "TSSpell" @ $10.95.  I
have the first edition of the Express Order catalog, dated 1988, and almost
everything listed in there for the CoCo is still available.  However, it is
NOT available through Express Order!  All this CoCo software has to be special
ordered from what is called the Consumer Mail Center.  There is a catalog
listing everything in a large red binder.  It also includes printwheels for
daisy wheel printers, vacuum tubes, etc.  I was told that every company-owned
Radio Shack should have one of these Consumer Mail Center catalogs.  You will
most likely have to talk to the manager because even very few Radio Shack
employees know about this.  Check it out!

..Tom Fann

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86296 16-MAR 09:55 General Information
     autoex/tsmon probs
     From: JWILKERSON   To: ALL

I used a package that modifies cc3go to elimiante it as an active process
and to supposedly call login.  This only locks up a window.... a program
autoez is also supposed to be called.

Can anyone give me a clue?

Thanks

          -- John

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86297 16-MAR 11:17 General Information
     RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86296)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JWILKERSON

put tsmon in /dd/cmds but with the filename autoex (for auto-execute, this
can be done for any os-9 command) I am willing to bet that the reason
the window "locks up" is that it trys to find autoex, but cant, and doesnt
have a process to fork, cc3go dies, and of course doesnt have a parent since
it is a system-boot process, so you end up staring at a blank window..
is this package PD? if so is it for OS-9/6809 or OS-9/680x0? if it is
for either you should upload it here, if it is for 6809, I am gonna have
to make it a point of grabbing a copy :)

                                                      -* Mike

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86301 16-MAR 18:36 General Information
     RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86297)
     From: JWILKERSON   To: ILLUSIONIST

   The program is _already_ here on Delphi.  Look in the telecommunications
section IUi


I think.  The package has an Ipatch for cc3go and a program called autoez. I
had already named autoez autoex.  I will however name tsmon autoex and see it
that does it.  cc3go is supposed to die become a non-active process.

Oh, and yes.... it is for 6809 os9.

Thanks.... John

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86317 17-MAR 01:00 General Information
     RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86301)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JWILKERSON (NR)

Hmm, ok I will DL it and see if I can get it to work, I would love to
have a CC3Go that would run a multiuser system on startup..


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86308 16-MAR 22:10 General Information
     Multipak Pal Chip
     From: DBREEDING    To: ALL

I'd like to get an Upgrade PAL chip for the old-style Multipak.  I called
National Parts and they said that it was a Repair Center only part.  Seems
I saw an ad somewhere recently by someone, but cannot find it.  If anyone
knows where/how to get one, please let me know.  My multipak was supposed
to have been upgraded, but it says "Tandy" and has a date of '86(?) don't
have the pak opened now.  Someone told me that this was the old chip.  It
did seem to work OK on my CoCo 3, but don't want to take chances.


                  -- David Breeding --

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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86321 17-MAR 03:20 General Information
     RE: Multipak Pal Chip (Re: Msg 86308)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DBREEDING (NR)

Talk to Marty.....MARTYGOODMAN here for info on that! He has Em!leave him
a message on E-Mail....OK!

Dennis

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End of Thread.

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86310 16-MAR 23:41 Telecom (6809)
     6809 UUCP
     From: WA2EGP       To: ALL

Just want to let everybody know that Bob Billson has been getting a lot a
messages of the "When will it be released?" type.  He told me that he intends
to get it out no later than April 2nd (this year) in spite of his system
going "poof!".  His 6309 got blasted and part of his hard drive got trashed.
He has recoved using a 6809 from an old CoCo I (!) and is working on it.
Knowing Bob, he'll do it.  Have patience.

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86312 17-MAR 00:17 General Information
     RE: question (Re: Msg 86162)
     From: TAULBORG     To: LLASHER (NR)

OS9 Still LIVES and is still being explored by coconuts like me!!!!

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86315 17-MAR 00:29 General Information
     cocofest
     From: TAULBORG     To: ALL

Does anyone know when the next COCO fest will be?I need to know for our next
newsletter
Our Coco club is still alive and going strong with a few members that would
like to know when th next cocofest will be!!!
I have to put this info in our april newsletter so please let me know soon!
Steven P Taulborg
V.P. COCO Club of Central Ohio

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86326 17-MAR 09:52 General Information
     RE: cocofest (Re: Msg 86315)
     From: MITHELEN     To: TAULBORG (NR)

Contact Tony Podraza (TONYPODRAZA) He will supply you will all the information
you need. I recall off hand if he already posted the info file here or not. But
if my memory is correct, the dates are May 20 & 21 (or at least thereabouts
on that weekend)
--
Paul

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86322 17-MAR 04:13 Telecom (6809)
     Transmitting Via Modem, Etc.
     From: TAFOID       To: ALL

Hi!

     I have a problem.  I wish to transfer the many GIF's and sound files I
have on os-9 Level 2 disk to my IBM.  If there a way to Direct Connect the IBM
and CoCo via the RS232 Card.  Looking specifically to transfer thedse programs
via Telecom programs o
n thier respective computers.


     I was looking for possible transfer rates of 19200 for RAW data transfer
via Cable.   Is this possible, and how?  BTw.. I have a CoCo 3, 512k, and
Osterm..  Thanks :)
P.S  Schematics for make a cable (w/ parts numbers if possible..) would be
great!

-Scott

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86327 17-MAR 09:56 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Transmitting Via Modem, Etc. (Re: Msg 86322)
     From: MITHELEN     To: TAFOID (NR)

A standard null modem adaptor, with DCD strapped high is all that is needed.
The CoCo RS-232 pack needs DCD high before it will receive any data.
--
Paul

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86328 17-MAR 10:26 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Transmitting Via Modem, Etc. (Re: Msg 86322)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: TAFOID (NR)

If you have an RS232 pak, you should be able to transfer the files at
19200, might have to go with 9600 if your system doesnt have all the "right"
patches..one thing though, why not just transfer them by diskette?

there is a patch in the system modules database to read/write PC floppies
just format a bunch of PC floppies, and copy all the files over..
there is even a command to do a "dsave" like copy of all files on a floppy
to the pc disk..

                                                -* Mike

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86329 17-MAR 10:31 General Information
     Eliminaotr
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

Can anyone tell me if the Eliminator board for the coco is a halt or
no-halt floppy controller? And is the par. port bi-directional (or more
accuratly, can if physically support bi-dir. I know that drivers would have
to be written.)

                                                -* Mike

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