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90081 25-SEP 15:25 Applications (6809)
     RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90074)
     From: REVKAK       To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

Tim,
Thanks for the info on displaying "movies". I will try to keep this in mind
when (if) I get a second serial port. Thanks for the help.
                Keith Kounovsky

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90090 25-SEP 19:57 Applications (6809)
     RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90074)
     From: DBREEDING    To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

REVKAK asks:
 > Since I use KBCom here on Delphi, I was wondering just exactly what is
 > the procedure to get the Vt100 "movies" into KBCom to view them. Please
 > enlighten me as to this new use. Any help is appreciated.

TIM's response:
 > Unfortunately, it requires another computer or a null modem cable
 > and two serial ports under OS9.
 > - Tim Kientzle

I may have a solution.  Using a terminal program that supports ASCII send,
simply connect to your modem and leaving it on-hook, echoing, send the
file..  The modem will echo the data back to the term program and it works
quite well.  I don't have KBCom, but using SuperComm, which has something
of an "ANSI" mode, will get through the process fairly well.  In trying
"trek", it seems that about 600 Baud is as fast as it can go... must be
losing data... when the outpost blows up, any faster rate and the effects
of the explosion don't work right... It isn't the BEST way, but at least
you can see what is going on.

I have G-Windows, and it is vt100..  I was able to just "merge" or "list".
They go by a little fast, as apparently the baud rate doesn't seem to affect
the speed from the keyboard, but they do work.


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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90102 26-SEP 00:31 Applications (6809)
     RE: OSTerm/68K (Re: Msg 90070)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)


    I LOVE V-Term. The menus are a bit kludgy to get through but it's I'm
shure the only RS-DOS term program that actually multitasks! :) The file
handling is great too IE: Ramdisk, not just a buffer, and enhanced control
over the ram and normal RS-DOS drives. My first term program. Of course I
soon went to OS9, and then when I went back to RS-DOS I used Ultimaterm
because I forgot my way around V-Term and Ultimaterm had more of an OSTerm
feel. :) V-Term is great though. Oh, yea, I liked to get colored ANSI garbage
that V-Term filtered out also. <g>


     Dave

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90082 25-SEP 17:43 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90029)
     From: CPERRAULT    To: JMURPHY

        >>TYPE regs=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER
          This should get you started. You need to pass ALL the
   registers, not just the ones you are going to use.<<

        Thanks for the info John. That seems to have gotten me started.
   It was succesfull, SORT of. I got it to work but when it list the
   files, it returns an error #015 after each file, and it lists them all
   as NOT a directory, even if it is a directory file. Should I
   initialize some other variables perhaps? A #15 error btw, indicates an
   illegal mode, but I don't know where this comes from. It's possible
   that the second error is a result of the first maybe.
        Here's the updated code...

        PROCEDURE dirsyscall
   TYPE file=filename(29),lsn(3):BYTE
   TYPE regs=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
   DIM register:regs
   DIM fd_att:BYTE
   DIM name:file
   DIM count,count1:INTEGER
   DIM pointer:INTEGER
   DIM temp:STRING
   DIM diskpath:BYTE
   DIM opt(1):BYTE
   fd_att:=$00
   register.a:=diskpath
   register.b:=$0F
   register.x:=ADDR(opt)
   register.y:=1
   OPEN #diskpath,".":READ+DIR
   WHILE EOF(#diskpath)<>TRUE DO
   GET #diskpath,name
   IF name.filename(1)<>0 THEN
   count=0
   temp=""
   REPEAT
   count=count+1
   temp:=temp+CHR$(LAND(name.filename(count),$7F))
   UNTIL count=0 OR name.filename(count)>127 OR name.filename(count )=0
   PRINT temp
   RUN syscall($0F,register)
   IF LAND(fd_att,$80)=0 THEN
   PRINT "is not a directory!"
   endif
   IF LAND(fd_att,$80)=1 THEN
   PRINT "is a Directory!"
   ENDIF
   ENDIF
   ENDWHILE
   CLOSE #diskpath
   END
        For some reason the '1' on the dir attribute bit is not being set
   when it should.
        >Chris<

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90092 25-SEP 20:25 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest on Syscall (Re: Msg 90082)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: CPERRAULT

Chris, you got several things going wrong here. First off, you are setting
register.a to diskpath BEFORE you open the path. But in this case, that
doesn't matter. SS.Fd works on a path open to the target file. Diskpath is
open to the parent dir. So....

  Dim path2:byte
  ...
  Print temp
  Open #path2, temp
  register.a=path2
  RUN syscall($8d,register)
  Close #path2
  If LAND(register.cc,1)=1 then
  (do something about the error from getstat)


    Randy

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90083 25-SEP 17:43 General Information
     RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90054)
     From: CPERRAULT    To: DIGIGRADE

        >>Could someone please reply to me with the When Where and How
   Much for the upcoming Atlantafest? I just decided I have to go and I
   need info.<<

        Hi again Dave...

        When? October 1&2
        Where? Northlake Holiday Inn, in Northlake, Atlanta
        You can call up the Holiday Inn at 800-465-4329 or 404-938-1026
   to make reservations<and mention the fest rate I think>.

        How Much?  $10.00 for the whole show(What a setback<Grin>)

        Also, the transcript for the most recent OS-9 Late Night is in
   the New Uploads section(or should be by now. I haven't checked). The
   topic was the Atlanta fest and we had Newton White of the ACS on hand
   answering questions about it.
        See Ya
        >Chris<

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90098 25-SEP 23:17 General Information
     RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90075)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: MRUPGRADE

Your right of course, luck of the draw has alot to do with it. And I can usually

do a game in the vicinity of five minutes. That is either get the Dragon
or see that I won't succeed. That should give me four games at least. Believe
me, I seen some nasty boards at times, and some times they follow one another.
Be just my luck to get skunked four in a row. It should be fun though! I'm
looking forward to it. See you there. ...Charlie...

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90101 26-SEP 00:16 General Information
     RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90098)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: CHARLESAM

  If youo can usually do a gmae in five minutes or less,,, well, ya
 might be just a tad ahead of me.  I usually run 10 or well less,, somemwhere
 in th 6 to 8 range.   As I've said on a good night,, I whip 3 straight
 games/ each different/ each in theh first try.  Toho that's exceptipional
 not the rule.  Or every now and then.   One night I ran 5 straight and
quit.  That's my record.  it seemed so easy,, I darn near quit.
  A tip,, as you may know,, try early when your mind is fresh.
   Til then,, Terry Simons  UPGRADE Editor

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90111 26-SEP 21:00 General Information
     RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90101)
     From: JEJONES      To: MRUPGRADE

Hmmm...maybe I should switch back to the canonical tile set; the default
I use with the "tiles" program is probably easier to distinguish.  tiles
keeps the top times, which reinforces attempts at speed rather than solving
all the configurations.  (I'll say...looking at the stats in another window,
I see that I've won about 17 percent of the games I've played.)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90115 26-SEP 23:34 General Information
     RE: Atlanta Info (Re: Msg 90111)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: JEJONES (NR)

  I've seen some of th variety tile on the Amiga.  Like in chess
 whenever you deviate from theh standard set,, it detracts from your
 concentration.  thus you never see a chess player worth his salt (a good
 one) playing with one of the fancy carved sets.   Those are for TV shows
 and ol' mens parlors.

  but da ya mean,, I get to beat the britches off "James Jones"?
  Get out your standard set,, and practice James.  Practice,, practice.
  til then,,, Terry g

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90084 25-SEP 17:44 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night
     From: CPERRAULT    To: ALL

        Here's my Sunday reminder...

     ****OS-9 Late Night:Nitros9 and Tune-Up w/Northern Xposure****
                Monday Night September 26, at 10:00 pm Eastern

        Alan Dekok, and perhaps even Colin McKay(not sure about Colin
   yet), will be online to discuss the soon to be released Nitros9 update
   and also ANOTHER one of Alan's projects(these guys DO keep busy!)
   called Tune-Up which enhances a stock 6809 Level II system for those
   who don't want to go 6309.
        When is a tentative date for the release of Nitros9?
        How much will it cost?
        Is 19.2K going to be a reality!?!?
        Is Tune-Up at all comparable to Nitros9?

        I don't have the answer to all these questions, but tomorrow
   night plenty of light will be shed by Northern Xposure, so don't miss
   out :-)
        See Ya
        >Chris<

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90100 25-SEP 23:29 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night (Re: Msg 90084)
     From: KSCALES      To: CPERRAULT

 > ****OS-9 Late Night:Nitros9 and Tune-Up w/Northern Xposure****
 > Monday Night September 26, at 10:00 pm Eastern
 >
 > Alan Dekok, and perhaps even Colin McKay(not sure about Colin
 > yet), will be online to discuss the soon to be released Nitros9 update
 > and also ANOTHER one of Alan's projects(these guys DO keep busy!)

Yes, both Colin and Alan will be borrowing my account to participate
in the conference.  Colin says he can only stay for an hour, so don't
be late!

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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90085 25-SEP 17:49 General Information
     RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 89869)
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: DBREEDING

Glad to know that I am not the only one having occasional problems
with MVcanvas.  I just replaced most of my hardware because of
intermittant crashes and I woundn't want to think I still have
hardware problems.  Thanks for the reply...

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90086 25-SEP 17:51 General Information
     RE: smouse (Re: Msg 89883)
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: COCOKIWI

The RS232 spec indicates a voltage range, not a specific voltage and
I believe the Ken-Ton pak is on the low end of that range.  If a serial
mouse requires 12 volts, it may not work.


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90095 25-SEP 22:07 General Information
     RE: smouse (Re: Msg 90086)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)

I use a Microsoft mouse on mine using a RatShack RS232.....pak!
Dennis

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90087 25-SEP 18:06 General Information
     Line Printer V
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: ALL

A friend of mine got a hold of a Tandy Line Printer V.  It has a
Centronics 36 pin connector in it, but I am not sure if it is serial
or parallel.  Does anyone know this or should I just connect it to
see if it works?  I was under the impression that all the older Tandy
printers were serial.


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90088 25-SEP 18:35 General Information
     RE: Line Printer V (Re: Msg 90087)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)

The linprinters were all PARALLEL ports! None of the Tandy printers were
serial until the CoCo came along, with the exception of a few daisy wheel
printers.
The TRS-80 models used parallel printers also. The CoCo was designed toe
a low cost system, and it was determined that a serial port would make more
sense,
because it could be used for several different devices and also could be
partially
software driven, reducing the amount of hardware needed (therefore reducing
costs).

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90089 25-SEP 19:52 Telecom (6809)
     Modem commands
     From: TAULBORG     To: ALL

I am haveing major problems trying to get what I type while in command
mode to show up on the screen.I have a PC Logic 2400 modem and when I
type in a command such as ATDT or anything else it doesn't show up on
the screen!If ANYBODY can help with this PLEASE do!My modem should be
and I am sure that it it is Hayes compatible.PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

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90091 25-SEP 20:17 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Modem commands (Re: Msg 90089)
     From: DBREEDING    To: TAULBORG

 > I am haveing major problems trying to get what I type while in command
 > mode to show up on the screen.
 > type in a command such as ATDT or anything else it doesn't show up on
 > the screen!
 > and I am sure that it it is Hayes compatible.

You are using a CoCo?  Probably is not set to send a carrier detect.  The
ACIA will not receive anything from the modem until it senses a Carrier
Detect.. The Hayes command is "at&c0".


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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90116 26-SEP 23:46 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Modem commands (Re: Msg 90091)
     From: TAULBORG     To: DBREEDING (NR)

tHANKS I'll try it!Hope it works!

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90093 25-SEP 21:17 General Information
     What  to wear??
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: BOISY

  I wuz wonderin',, Y'all be'in from the southern region??
  What to wear?  I mean if I were going to TX or Tennesse,,, I getta pair of
 boots and a Garth Brooks hat.  But is that kosher in Atlanta?  I thought
 about bernuda shorts,,, but maybe that's not far enough south?  Besides
 red-necks don't like shorts, right?
  Lemme know,, I'll catch theh DAV for a new wardrobe before I go.
  Til then,,, Terry g


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90109 26-SEP 20:35 General Information
     RE: What  to wear?? (Re: Msg 90093)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MRUPGRADE

Bluejeans and a T-shirt Terry...
Actually, you just wear what you do in Iowa... country bumpkins blend right in
with red-necks every day....

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90114 26-SEP 23:29 General Information
     RE: What  to wear?? (Re: Msg 90109)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: DSRTFOX (NR)

  > Country bumkins blend right in....
  I'm rollin' on the floor.
  Good reply Frank.   terry g

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90094 25-SEP 21:25 General Information
     RE: less than a week left... (Re: Msg 90080)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JEJONES


> Holy cow...less than a week until Atlanta.  Once again I'll go see old
> friends and spend money. :-)                                       ^^^

  OLD!!!! Hey! Watch that!!! <G>.

Will see you there James... and spend $$$ <g>.

--
   John -

   < Posted with Ved 2.3.1  &  IX 1.2.0 >


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90096 25-SEP 22:17 General Information
     RE: Seagate HD info (Re: Msg 90066)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: TEDJAEGER (NR)

its a 43 meg drive 2 heads 820 cyl ...auto land zone....
don,t have the other info!
Dennis

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90097 25-SEP 22:34 General Information
     RE: annoying process # (Re: Msg 90065)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: TEDJAEGER (NR)

Ted!
 > OS9 naivete on display! Been trying to write a bit of BASIC code to fork
 > a background process from within another BASIC program. Have found that
 > this approach works:
 >
 > DIM mod1:string[10]
 > mod1="testproc &"
 > shell mod1
 >
 > In this example, testproc would be packed and stored in the execution
 > directory. Only problem is this puts the process id (e.g., +13) assigned
 > to testprocs on the screen of the main program. I dont want that +13
 > popping up on the screen of the main program so is there a modification,
 > perhaps to line #3 above using /nil, that would avoid it? Thanks

   Try using a syscall (as Tim said in his message). The +13 comes from the
Shell.

  Try This:

PROCEDURE forktest
TYPE registers=dat(8),add(5):INTEGER
DIM regs:registers
DIM callcode:INTEGER
DIM name:STRING[32]
DIM parm:STRING[256]
name:="dir"
REM program name
callcode:=3
REM F$Fork
regs.dat(1):=0
REM lang/type code (0=any)
regs.dat(2):=32000
REM optional mem modifier
regs.dat(3):=256
REM size of param memory
regs.dat(4):=3
REM number of paths to inherit
regs.dat(5):=130
REM priority setting
regs.add(1):=ADDR(name)
regs.add(3):=ADDR(parm)
regs.add(2):=0
RUN syscall(callcode,regs)

   Works for me!!!

                               Chris

   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90099 25-SEP 23:22 OSK Applications
     Ghostscript
     From: MRGOOD       To: JOHNREED

John,

I've finally begun to play with Ghostscript.  Unfortunately, I haven't
had much luck yet.  I'm using gs2 rev. 3.

I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout.  If I try
to use the escp2 device, nothing happens.  Specifically, I try to
process chess.ps.  GS runs for a while then drops to a GS> prompt.
No file is created in /dd/tmp.

The command line I tried is:

  gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 chess.ps

Any ideas?

Hugp
er, Hugo

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90108 26-SEP 19:55 OSK Applications
     RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90099)
     From: JOHNREED     To: MRGOOD

 > John,
 >
 > I've finally begun to play with Ghostscript.  Unfortunately, I haven't
 > had much luck yet.  I'm using gs2 rev. 3.
 >
 > I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout.  If I try
 > to use the escp2 device, nothing happens.  Specifically, I try to
 > process chess.ps.  GS runs for a while then drops to a GS> prompt.
 > No file is created in /dd/tmp.
 >
 > The command line I tried is:
 >
 >   gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 chess.ps
 >
 > Any ideas?
 >

First, due to a little oversight by yours truly, Ghostscript likes
to find its target directory in env variable TEMP -- AND, it has
to end with a slash.  --setenv TEMP /dd/tmp/--.  Without that,
you might find the output in your working directory with a name
that starts with "tmp". (oops)

You can also set your own path on the command line by changing
your line to

  gs2 -sDEVICE=escp2 -sOUTPUTFILE=chess.printer chess.ps

("chess.printer") could be replaced by ANY legal os9 name or
complete path.

Then, "merge" the printer file to the printer.

  -sOUTPUTFILE=/p also works -- but you have to zero all the
values in the printer descriptor first. (with xmode).

That should get it working for you.  Yell if you still have
trouble.

           ********************************
       A stitch in time --------------------
               ------ is worth two in the bush

 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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90112 26-SEP 21:00 OSK Applications
     RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90099)
     From: JEJONES      To: MRGOOD

 > I can get a kwindows preview, what I can't get is a printout.  If I try
 > to use the escp2 device, nothing happens.

Have you tried the -sOUTPUTFILE option?  When I've tried

 -sOUTPUTFILE=/p

it worked just fine for me.  (I had to turn off the tabc and lf options on

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90113 26-SEP 22:39 OSK Applications
     RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90108)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JOHNREED (NR)

OK, I'll give it a try.

Hugo

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90103 26-SEP 00:43 General Information
     terminal specs
     From: THESCHU      To: ALL

HELP!!!
 I have a case of terminal unknown settings. What I mean is that I have a
'MicroData'
Terminal, model ' PRIZIM ' , yes that is the model, and i need to find some docs

or atlease the settings for the three sets of dip switches in the back.
 Is there anyone out there who may know about this model, please leave me some
e-mail.
Thanks for listening to a desperate man.
THESCHU

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90104 26-SEP 08:37 System Modules (6809)
     printers
     From: DONALDS      To: MARTYGOODMAN

Marty;

  I am looking at getting a new printer. What I would like to get is a
LASER printer Will this work with a COCO3 and the parallel port on a
disto 4n1 board. I thought I remembered you listing a pinout for it or
at least some    instruction on how to hook one up in the '68 Micro
 a while back. could you help me with this ?  Can this connection be
made thru the use of just a parrallel cable?

       Don

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90110 26-SEP 20:45 System Modules (6809)
     RE: printers (Re: Msg 90104)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: DONALDS (NR)

I see no reason why a laser printer can't be physically hooked to
the parallel port of a Disto 4 in 1 board.  Tho I have heard of ONE
case where a CoCo style serial to parallel printer COULD NOT
work with the parallel port of a given make and model of EPson
printer, due to some obscure timing problem on the strobe line.

The main problem I see, tho, is that most Laser Printers work in
Hewlet Packard Laserjet - compatible mode, which requires long
escape sequences to define fonts, underline, bold, etc.  No CoCo
software I know of supports this.   Some laser printers, tho,
can be set to emulate an Epson printer, and this might make things
easier for use with CoCo word processing programs.

   ---marty

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90117 26-SEP 23:47 System Modules (6809)
     RE: printers (Re: Msg 90110)
     From: ISC          To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)

Marty,

The only program for the CoCo that I know of which supports long escape
sequences for printers is VPrint from Bob van der Poel.  If VPrint is used
with a good text editor, powerful word processing is possible with OS9 and
probably a laser printer too.

Bill


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90105 26-SEP 19:25 General Information
     I have the nubers @ At Fest
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: AL DAGES (NR)

  Well,, Al,, I've got it figured out.  If I can sign up 387 new MI&CC
 members at our booth,, I'll justify the trip.
  how many are comming anyway???
                  Do ya suppose I can get sum'uv'em to sign up TWICE! ??


  But it will be fun.   see y'all there,, Terry Simons UPGRADE Editor

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90106 26-SEP 19:28 General Information
     RE: Ghostscript (Re: Msg 90063)
     From: JOHNREED     To: LUCKYONE (NR)

 > I have started using GhostScript v2.6x and I want to thank you and anyone
 > else who made it available to the OSK world. I've had v2.4 for a long time


Thanks Howard, and thanks too for the tip on the books.

The REAL credit for Ghostscript goes to L. Peter Deutsch of Aladdin,
(ghost@aladdin.com) and a long list of helpers.

I just fumbled with it until I got the MM/1 and the GNU compiler
to swallow it without choking. (GRIN).

           ********************************
       A stitch in time --------------------
               ------ is worth two in the bush

 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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90107 26-SEP 19:28 OSK Applications
     New Tex Upload
     From: JOHNREED     To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

Tim,
Grabbed your new TeX system over the weekend.
Followed your instructions, ran the install script
and sat back and watched.

Nice Job!

So far, everything works just as it should on my machine
(MM/1a, 9-meg).

The ONLY error message I saw was when Metafont (called by
dvips) tried to copy it's ".tfm" files into
"/dd/sys/tex/fonts/tfm/new" - no "/new" directory.  I assume
the "/new" directory would be there to save new ".tfm".s in
case they were not in the TFM dir already.  That error did
NOT stop the program.

I tested the regular executables first, then installed the
ones in the "BIG" directory, using your instructions and
scripts again.  Then ran a HUGE tex file that I had been
unable to run before.  (It worked, of course)

Now all I have to do is read all those doc files, and maybe
buy another book.

Looks like you put a lot of time into this one -- Thanks.

           ********************************
       A stitch in time --------------------
               ------ is worth two in the bush

 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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