From: NANA                
To: THRUD               
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/28/91 22:21:38
Message Number 11601

Firstly, you're looking at a brand new key presser. I have the modem set
up at work, so, until I get a computer for home, I can talk only during 
the daytime. And, since I am a newcomer, I started reading the messages,
happened upon your unfriendly message. Thought to myself, "Hey, this guy
needs my pleasant personality to cheer up his attitude. Well, if you don
't want to talk I guess I'll look elsewhere...(sob!)
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From: CYBERPUNK           
To: ALL                 
Subject: plugplugplug   
Date & Time: 01/29/91 04:43:43
Message Number 11602

Well all, it's PLUG TIME again, me and Thumper One are over at my house
and we are going to try to impress all of you guys, because you all post
the most intelligent messages i've ever seen...  so there...
 
here goooooooooooooes..........
 
...////The Grimoire\\\\...     ...////WarrenPeace\\\\...
       813-371-0888                   813-378-1328
           300.....     1200.....    2400...   Baud!!!  (both that is)
     Sysop:Cyberpunk                  Sysop:Thumper One
           Both running off of the Remote Acess Version 0.04!!!
     Both with Multiple Message bases, but WarrenPeace has Files for 
     leeches (kill 'em!!) The Grimoire Doesn't....
Call 'em both now!!   (well not at the same time, kinda be messy)
 
     This has been a Stomp Bunny and Cyber Production. TM 1991
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:09:36
Message Number 11603

Umm....I got it from someone on the BBSs.  He called up my system, 
left a message saying "I'm using a model 100...etc."  In fact, he has
a model-200, his model 100 which is as 'souped up' as you can get it,
and the one I got from him.  It only has 8k and I really wanna get some
more installed.  Bart said it was non-standard ram.  Do you know what 
kind it uses, where to get it, and how to install it without repeating
the Heathkit episode.  It's amazing that two very computer literate 
people walked up and started going "Oh wow, neat, lemme see," and a
teacher goes "Radio Shack...nice toy."  Hmmpphhh...if my friend, who 
wants one now, gets one, we're gonna hook 'em up with a long RS-232
cable and talk in class.  "Us?  Taking notes.  The cable?  Umm..shared
ram network, yeah, that's it.  Umm...increases the speed too...yeah."
Ask Raven if he still has that acoustic modem he got at the auction.  If
he does, I want it.
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From: RUFUS               
To: NANA                
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:17:37
Message Number 11604

Welcome to the BBS.  Enjoy it and be sure to look at the BBS list
and snoop around some other local BBSs.  (and I won't even mention 
Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm & Tofu Museum at 371-3498.  That would be
shameless).
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: system         
Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:30:48
Message Number 11605

Actually, we were running TurboDos or some derivative thereof. We had a
TeleVideo 816 File server and 5 dumb terminals. I think three 506's (??)
Is that right? Another was a bigger one with two floppies on the side,
and the last was (I think) a TPC 1??? S'been so long I forget a lot of
it. Even had an external 300 baud (fast, eh?) non auto dial auto answer
U.S. Robotics that I used to steal and take home to my TPC 1 and call
around with. That's how I got hooked on BBS'ing. I can remember when 
CompuServe wanted $6.00/hr for 300 baud and an OUTRAGEOUS $12/hr for
anything faster!!
We started out with a non-multi-user database called Condor. Every time
one girl went into the same file as another, KA-BOOM!! Shit flew 
everywhere and we had to stop and do a backup restore. Then we went to
an 8-bit version of DataFlex, multi-user and all. It was great. That's
when I quit and went on my own programming in DataFlex. They refused to
change my job description to include programmer and pay me a bit more, 
so I left. Best move I ever made.
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: water          
Date & Time: 01/29/91 05:44:22
Message Number 11606

I agree with you. When my friend went and got water, you could taste the
SWEETNESS in it. You don't get that in bottled water today.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:16:11
Message Number 11608

T>...why, I could go on and on. 
  
You already have. 
  
Enough said. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:22:21
Message Number 11609

Unfortunately, I have all too many "days". It's the (plain) night that 
I'd really like to complain about. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:26:06
Message Number 11610

TI> And I think we are all a little off on the two women. One was T'Pow
and the other D'Pring, just which was which? 
    
T'Pow was the officialiate. (sp?) 
D'Pring was Spock's mate. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Vulcan Bastige 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:31:58
Message Number 11611

T1> Tam-Pons Fars... 
   
You /are/ gross!  BTW, the word was menstruation.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:40:17
Message Number 11612

>Pathetic.
In a small sense, maybe Cindi Lauper.
    
Ummm, That's Cyndi Lauper. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:43:28
Message Number 11613

TS> What is it with you and hamsters?
NO> Sex. 
SS> Do you do gerbil stuffing too? 
NO> I plead the fifth ammendment...
     
Coward. What, you won't come out your closet (cage). Or won't stay out 
of the cage. Whatever the case may be.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give It a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:51:38
Message Number 11614

Please. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/29/91 06:56:27
Message Number 11615

I don't recall...if I saw that :> at the end of his message. I just got
a little annoyed with him. But yes I'm fimiliar with the faces.
But, on the other hand, ROFLSC and TANSTAAFL /are/ new to me. 
    
TS> viscious (sp?)
    
That doesn't look right....(refers to handy-dandy speller.....
vicious...there she is. 
For shame...you can come up with homopervertual, and spell it correctly 
but can't spell vicious right. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:04:06
Message Number 11616

TS> ..if I were you, I would give a solid "NO."
   
First of all, you're /not/ him. But that's beside the point. 
   
Obviously, either he can't give a solid "no.", or for some warped reason
he wants us to /think/ he gerbil stuffs. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:12:14
Message Number 11617

T> Seriously, though, you have a real problem with people who express
opinions you don't like, don't you?
    
Yeah, I think he does. That is, of cousre, if he can't get them to come 
to his side.  The Specialist is very singly-minded. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:15:08
Message Number 11618

Turtle and Specialist, give it a rest, would ya? God damn, guys, you 
have been arguing for days, and haven't gotten anywhere. Drop it. 
Shit, if this keeps up, you two will still be arguing when the war's 
over. 
   
Neither one of you will give the other the credibly due to the one 
another. You're just aimlessly hacking, getting nowhere, solving 
nothing, compromising anywhere, and probably aggravating the hell out
of other users. 
  
Stop it. 
Play nice.
Good boys. 
Please....:)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:30:26
Message Number 11620

TS> South Carolina
   
Hey, my brother lives there. He's stationed in Charleston with the Navy.
   
You know, you should be more careful when slamming states. You bound to 
accidently offended someone.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:35:48
Message Number 11621

R> That would be shameless.
   
It was. 
Have a day. 
Scott Steel
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/29/91 07:38:41
Message Number 11622

R> It was just a fit of sillyness. I'll stop being silly. 
   
    
No, don't do that, then you'll have no personality at all. 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:42:31
Message Number 11623

>You know, you should be more careful when slamming states. You bound
>to accidently offended someone.
 
Hmm...this sounds amazing like an episode we had with the advisor of the
school paper.  She didn't like a cartoon because it may "offend some 
lawyers."  Imagine if we had seen this scene years ago.  "Gee Gary, this
Doonsbery stuff seems to be, well, offensive.  We wouldn't want to hurt
anyone."  
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:44:41
Message Number 11624

>Have a day.
 
Isn't that "Have a day and a smile"?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/29/91 10:45:25
Message Number 11625

R> It was just a fit of sillyness.  I'll stop being silly.
SS> No, don't do that, then you'll have no personality at all.
 
Ya know, I take that as a slam against me.  What I should do with it is
a mystery to me since my brain is in a state somewhere between tapioca 
and microwaved sushi.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:02:00
Message Number 11626

SS> The Specialist is very singly-minded.
 
Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:03:18
Message Number 11627

SS>Turtle, and Specialist...blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, grumble
SS>grumble, spthlllllth....
 
Butt out.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:05:47
Message Number 11628

SS>...blah, blah, personality at all!
 
R>Y'know, I take that as a slam against me.
 
Yup.  Very good.  Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Tapes          
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:13:02
Message Number 11629

If you come to PentaCon ][ I will do it there. It will be happening over
spring break! Please Join us!
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: THE GRUNT           
Subject: Grunt          
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:14:11
Message Number 11630

Hullo Grunt, I have yet to meat you. Welcome if you're new, if your not
Welcome anyway. Nice Ta' meecha'!
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Why Macho?     
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:15:14
Message Number 11631

Because All Boards need a well rounded flavor to them. You have lots of 
the Smart people, and lots 'o the Weird people, All of it "Fun people.
What you don't have is theNice people Who can be Ass's late at night.
Those you don't have, So I fill up that gap. Ok?
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 01/29/91 11:17:46
Message Number 11632

>...the word is menstruation.
  
    Yes, I know. I hope that post doesn't shame me for ever. It was late
and I was tired and had just watched Rocky I through VI. So I had the
Stallone sickness.
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:25:01
Message Number 11633

If they're in the closet/cage, they can't run very far. :)
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:26:55
Message Number 11634

SS> Sick-o
I represent that remark :)
 
I'm not crazy, everybody else is.
 
I've crossed the line between reality and absurdity so many times that
I've all but rubbed it out.
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: JONBOY              
Subject: PC             
Date & Time: 01/29/91 12:46:26
Message Number 11635

The reason the public refers to the IBM PC compatibles as 'PCs' is 
because IBM clones are actually what the public wants and therefore is
most familiar with.  No matter how ignorant or stupid they are - they
know what they want, and popularity sells.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:43:25
Message Number 11636

Isn't that "have a day and a smile"?
    
No, you're thinking of, "Have a coke and a smile."
   
But, to satisfy your curiousity, I saw that phrase on a button. 
   
Have a day
  . .
   .
  ___
No smile, "Have a good day", nor a frown,"Have a bad day" 
Just "Have a day"
Very non-commital, I like it that way.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:50:02
Message Number 11637

R> ...my brain is in a state somewhere..
    
Like Iowa?
  
R>between tapoica snd microwaved sushi. 
   
Well, that's obvious, because everyone knows that "sushi" is /raw/ fish 
Once you microwave it, it's not sushi anymore. It's nuked fish. 
   
Oh, and one more thing....
    
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Have a day, Rufus. >:) (sneer)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:53:10
Message Number 11638

TS> Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N.
  
Yepperdoggies.
  
Oooops, I shouldn't have said /that/, now I'll never hear the end of it.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:55:12
Message Number 11639

TS> Butt out. 
  
No. Drop the issue. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Why Macho?     
Date & Time: 01/29/91 13:56:51
Message Number 11640

So I fill up that gap. OK?
   
Oh, you're supposed to be the "daytime nice person, nighttine ass-type
person. 
  
Am I missing something, or do you just post at night? (Sneer)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 01/29/91 14:00:02
Message Number 11641

T!> Stallone sickness. 
  
Is that where the macho shit came from?
Why would anyone in their right mind watch Rocky I through VI(?)
back-to-back.
 Didn't he only make so far? 
  
Back-to-back,
Belly-to-belly,
I don't give a damn, 
Cause I've done that already.
   
Sorry, (mind wanders aimlessly through The Twilight Zone)
"This is the story of a man........named Jed.
Damnit I did it again, that was supposed by an attempt at the typical 
opening dialogue of The Twilight Zone. And  the  mind went drafting
away. 
  
I'm sailing away, 
set an open course, 
for the virgin sea, 
and I've got to be free. 
   
I've got stop doing THIS.
    
Cause I've gotta have Faith,
I've gotta have Faith,
I've gotta have Fai-Fai-Fai-Faith,
   
Baby, I know you asking me to stay, 
say "please, please,please, don't go away."
    
Okay, I save this stupidness now, before it's too late.
  
It's too late, 
it's too late, 
it's too late, 
Baby, it's too late. 
   
Aaaaaaaaaargh. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/29/91 14:11:27
Message Number 11642

NOw> If they're in the closet/cage, they can't run very far. :)
  
You know, you should have joined our local Animal Torturers Animous. 
But maybe it's too late to help you now. 
===========

From: NANA                
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek      
Date & Time: 01/29/91 22:48:48
Message Number 11643

Hey, I'm new here,; can I join the party? Sure would like to see
some of the Orig. or new S.T. stuff. They're back @ 5PM daily, but
I'm sure I missed some. Let me know...
===========

From: NANA                
To: ENDER               
Subject: 		Cute Bunnies 
Date & Time: 01/29/91 22:53:55
Message Number 11644

Does the annex 1 mean that, in a past life he was Thumper 0 ?
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/30/91 00:34:26
Message Number 11645

"What is the air speed velocity of an unlaidened swallow?"
  
     "African or European?"
  
"I don't know...."
                        AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
                                                  H
                                                    H
                                                    H
                                                    H
                                                    H
  
If we keep quoting I'm gonna hafta watch it again...soon!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: INTRO SCREEN   
Date & Time: 01/30/91 00:37:02
Message Number 11646

   Hey, your main intro screen still states:
           HOURS FROM 5pm to 9am
.............guess that ain't so true no mo'......(lunch call)
  
How's it been going lately???? Get a job yet (or at least one you'd
admit to )?  :)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:31:11
Message Number 11647

T>Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen an MS-DOS machine
T>running multiple terminals...
 
S>Never seen a Novell setup? For shame!
 
Your pardon, I said I've never seen an MS-DOS machine running
multiple **terminals**. Networking microcomputers is not the same
thing as running several terminals--and several jobs--off of one
microcomputer. MS-DOS is emphatically NOT a multiuser multitasking
operating system, Novell or no. A good rule of thumb: if all your
"terminals" are running an operating system, they aren't terminals.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:34:24
Message Number 11648

>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?
 
By all means.
 
>Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick. There.
 
Um...did we suddenly change topics?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:35:16
Message Number 11649

>Y'know, I remember when that upgrade for the TRS-80 came out...it
>was for the Model IV, wasn't it?
 
Yep. Model 4 Monochrome Hi-Resolution Graphics Adaptor thingie
whatsit. There was a color graphics card for the Model 1 that offered
320x200 resolution in 64 colors, but nobody bought it, either.
There was also a (get this!) /vector graphics/ card for the Model I,
like THAT'S supposed to be useful for something...you had to have a
special monitor for it that was more like an oscilloscope than a normal
monitor. Oh boy. I bet there are just...um...well, I bet somebody
somewhere probably wrote a program to use it...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:38:29
Message Number 11650

>(Which, failing to have all united, strikes me as somewhat of a good
>idea...)
 
You were saying about my gift for exaggeration?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:40:01
Message Number 11651

>As for Florida, ya just can't beat the climate.
 
Sure you can. Florida doesn't have seasons, it has weather. The
same thing, day after day, year after year...high in the too-high-to-
be-comfortable zone with a chance of late afternoon rain.
 
Funny you should mention Loveland Pass in Colorado; I used to live
in CO, and every winter we'd go skiing in the Rockies (Aspen and Vail,
mostly). Well, this one year we were all piled in a VW microbus (me
parents have always had a thing for VW's) and had to get over Loveland
Pass in the middle of a blinding snowstorm...and the only way the bus'd
do it was in reverse. One of my less-than-fond memories of Colorado.
VW's aren't noted for their effective heaters.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:44:22
Message Number 11652

The RAM in a Model 100 is in this weird bastard plug-in thingie with
its own little battery on board...it uses 8Kx8 pseudo-static RAM
(can you say "about as standard as a circular doorframe"?). You're
pretty much stuck with going through the Rat Shack for more RAM. 
The Model 100 is a toy if you're using it as your only computer, but
it's the dandiest thing since sliced bread if you got one at home...you
can take the 100 around with you, use it to write letters or whatever,
then u/l it to the big 'un. The most impressive review I've ever seen
of the 100 was in a Mac User magazine; they said "Forget about trading
your Macintosh in for a Protable Mac, just get a Model 100 and it's the
same thing, basically."
 
(Oops..."Portable Mac".)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: system         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:48:38
Message Number 11653

Sounds like you were probably running Televideo 956 terminals (that
ring a bell?). Nice setup, even by today's standards. You know
considering how many multiuser CP/M installations there were every-
where at one time, I'm surprised there aren't any multiuser versions
of MS-DOS...nope, nowadays ya gotta spend more bucks and go network.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Why Macho?     
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:51:29
Message Number 11654

T>...theNice people Who can be Ass's late at night.
 
Oh, yes, we do.  Several...just depends on what day you are on.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:54:58
Message Number 11655

Dave.  What are you doing.  Dave, that hurts.  Stop it, Dave.  I'm 
losing my memory.  I can feel it.  Dave, we can discuss this. Dave. 
Stop.  Good morning, Dr. Chanda.  I learned a song, it goes,
 
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do.
I'm a crazy, over the likes of you.
 
Good morning, Dr. Chandra.  I'm ready for my first lesson...
 
Good morning, Scott Steel.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/30/91 05:58:40
Message Number 11656

.
  . 
    .
     .  
      . 
      .
       .
       .
    
     *>BOOM!<* 
                  ....Stumble, Stumble....
 
"You lucky BASTARD!"
 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:01:43
Message Number 11657

There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too.   THEY
don't have thier own operating system...DUDE.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:02:40
Message Number 11658

>>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?
>By all means.
>>Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick.  There.
>Um...did we suddenly change topics.
 
Well, yes we did.  But that had nothing to do with what I said...
accurately speaking, homosexuality is sick, sick, sick.  Please
pay attention.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:25:21
Message Number 11659

>T'Pow was the officiate.
>D'Pring was Spock's mate.
  
Right. Well, now that we've ground that episode into the ground, what
shall we talk about next??
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:28:27
Message Number 11660

Homopervertual?? Is that like antidisestablishmentarianism??
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:31:11
Message Number 11661

>>Have a day.
  
>Isn't that "Have a day and a smile"?
  
Similar to "It's been real."??
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: system         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 06:41:19
Message Number 11662

TeleVideo 956 doesn't really ring a bell. I'm sure the basic ones were
506's or similar. The fancy one was a bit wider with two floppies, one
atop the other, on the right hand side, standing on edge (not laying 
down like in a PC). It's been 4 years since I last saw the system.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:05:00
Message Number 11663

>Yup.  Very good.  Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
 
So who'll be teaching it?  Surely it won't be you.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Tapes          
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:05:51
Message Number 11664

You got it.  I'll be there.  I may even own a CD player by then (if
I get off my arse and find a job).  I'll have to bring a lot of blank
tapes.
 
    ....if anyone wants my complete 
Weird Al collection...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:08:12
Message Number 11665

>Have a day...
 
No, you have a day!  No, have two days!  Three days.  Hell, take the 
entire week.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/30/91 09:12:33
Message Number 11666

I stopped at Radio Shack and they don't have the acoustic couplers for
it anymore, but they still have a listing for the Ram.  No price, just
the name and catalog number.  I'm gonna check down at the Computer
Center on S. 41 and ask them what they've got.  I've been writing 
letters, notes, and all types of stuff and just modeming it over since
I don't have a null modem cable yet.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:56:58
Message Number 11667

>Turtle and Specialist, give it a rest, will ya? ...etc, etc...
 
No.
 
Have a nice day.
 
(c) 1991 Anarchy Now, Inc.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:58:41
Message Number 11668

SS> The Specialist is very singly-minded.
 
TS> Spelled S-T-U-B-B-O-R-N.
 
Uh, I don't think that's the right spelling..."Pig-Headed" is
supposed to start with a "P."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 01/30/91 10:59:41
Message Number 11669

>Butt out.
 
The Specialist is on the 20...the 10...and...YES! He spikes Scott
Steel! And Steel is down...
 
Man, you gotta watch that, Scott. This guy's nasty.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: INTRO SCREEN   
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:03:27
Message Number 11670

Well, you see, it's like this. The **OFFICIAL** hours are 9pm to 5am;
while we're usually up in the downtime, we aren't always...and in fact
we're sometimes down in the uptime. Is simple, yesno?
 
Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, I am now working not one but /two/
shit jobs...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:05:37
Message Number 11671

There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too.
 
Yeah, if you're running Unix or Xenix. You seen an MS-DOS system do dat?
===========

From: ODEN                
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/30/91 11:31:41
Message Number 11672

Hey.... are you looking for an acoustic modem? well, I just so  happen 
to have one right here.. infact, I can see it now.. anyway, not like its
a new version, but I figure it would work... it came with my teletype-
typewriter ... ( have someone else tell you what that is..) its like uh
13 yrs old.. thats all.. (heh heh) and 'it opperates at HIGH data 
transfer rates!' haha..yeah right.. up ta 450 baud... well, I also have 
about 900 ft of wire... null modem wire.. and lots of rs-232 connectors 
too... and ram chips if ya want em.. oh anyway, you can have some wire
if ya want. with the connectors.. I dont have anything to use it for..
you can pick it out. and if anyone wants the teletype thing.. well, 
I'll think about it.. you think they would wanna put it in the musium?
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/30/91 14:06:16
Message Number 11674

SS> You know, you should have joined our local animal torturers animous.
But maybe it's too late to help you now.
 
None of the places I called haveever dealt with problems like mine.... 
not even the SPCF (a small subsidiary of the SPCA).
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 01/30/91 14:18:29
Message Number 11675

T> Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, I am working not one but /two/
shit jobs...
 
Aaaahhh, the perils of poverty and shitty jobs. What kinda work are you 
doin'? Are yoiu still working at Mcy D's? 
I just got a new job after 2 1/2 weeks of unemployment. It's a shitty 
job (dishwasher) but it pays $4.65 an hour. It's one of the easier jobs 
I've had.
 
As for getting some extra $, well, I'm gonna go to one of the local temp
orary labor services on my days off. Theypay the day you work. 
Hopefully I'll get back on my financial feeet soon.
 
Hope things get better for ya.
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ODEN                
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/31/91 05:14:37
Message Number 11678

Does the modem hook up via the RS-232 port?  How much ya want for it?
Teletype.  How cute.  My friend bought one at an auction for like $5 and
his dad said "You bought what?  How are we gonna get that home?"  It
was big and made lots of noise.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/31/91 08:13:03
Message Number 11680

You know, I wouldn't mind relieving you of the teletype if you don't
want it...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:01:22
Message Number 11681

>>Yup.  Very good.  Tomorrow, we'll discuss compliments.
 
>So who'll be teaching it?  Surely it won't be you.
 
Hey!  *I* was't the one who's been slamming you every other message...
don't rag on me!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:03:58
Message Number 11682

Yes, very good.  Tomorrow, you can work on the word, cow.  That starts
with a "C".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:05:44
Message Number 11683

TS>There are Novell networks that run Televideo terminals, too.
 
T>Yeah, if you're running Unix or Xenix.  You seen an MS-DOS system do
T>dat?
 
I said, NOVELL networks that run Televideos.  We both know that 
Unix or Xenix can run them, but Novell is MS-DOS and runs terminals,
too.  MS-DOS, yes, it's a pretty bad Op Sys, but it still can be made 
to run other terminals.
===========

From: ODEN                
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:48:20
Message Number 11684

You want my acustic modem? that is only 300 baud? hmm well, I havent the
slightest if it works.. I've got the manual, and some instructions.. and
yes, I'm sure you could buy it. everything has its price.. but I've 
always wanted one.... ohwell. we'll get together sometime and you can
see it. :) my teletype thingie isnt that big, about as big as a
typewriter, and its suppose to work, I would like to use it tho..anyone
wanna try it out for me? 
===========

From: ODEN                
To: TURTLE              
Subject: teletype       
Date & Time: 01/31/91 10:52:03
Message Number 11685

Well, if you want it,  UH.. not like I'm useing it, but I thinkk you nee
d to come over an look at all the stuff I have collected.. ha. not that 
much.. lesse... one 1990 19.2Kbaud terminal that works, a 83 one that I 
have no idea what it works at, or if it does (it goes on!) about 4
keyboards that go to some ADDS terminals... a whole bunch of wire.. like
rs-232 stuff, and dem connectors too... two IBM powerpack thingies, 
and a ramboard off an IBM too.. about 2.5 megs I would guess... and the 
teletype thingie.. (with paper!) [you want to pay lots and lots of money
for all this stuff.... -played backwards-] .... and a Zenith trans-ocean
anic royal 1000 shortwave radio........ anyone know anything usefull 
about any of this stuff?!
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: ODEN                
Subject: shortwave radio
Date & Time: 01/31/91 12:27:52
Message Number 11686

You oughtta get the shortwave radio running.... ya could listen in on 
the middle east stuff possibly.
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 06:02:54
Message Number 11687

This was the person who said one message ago "I'm not the one
slamming..."  Of course, I suppose I'll now hear "butt out."
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ODEN                
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/01/91 06:05:00
Message Number 11688

Does the acoustic hook up to the rs-232 port?  I'm not sure on tele-type
communications, but I assume it
would work like any other modem.  If you have two lines just hook your
computer up on one line and the tele-type on the other.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/01/91 09:40:51
Message Number 11689

>Now all I need is to get Raven's acoustic modem and I'll be all set
>for BBS fun at the local 7-11.
    
   Hee hee hee! naaah. Get a REAL computer. Remember the Sharp EL-500's?
             /Dragonfly/
    
I'm back!
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 09:47:54
Message Number 11690

>All your noise that your protesting makes isn't gonna do diddly squat
>for the govnt's opinion, so might as well stop bothering people.
    
   Really? (Very interested look on Dragonfly's face.) You mean the
Congressmen and Senators aren't nearly paranoid about staying in office?
   Let's face it -- the declaration of war only barely passed the 
Senate. (I think it was by five votes, at least three of which were
uncertain.) If there had been more protesting before the war, it would
never have been declared.
   Senators are paranoid about bad press, and will unusually vote with
what they think their population would like. The more protestors stir up
BEFORE a vote, the more likely their voices will be heard.
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:03:30
Message Number 11691

S>Did I mention my gift for accurate speaking?
T>No.  Do you have one?
S>Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?  Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick.
S>There.
    
   Defend your premise. 
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: NANA                
Subject: Big K's, etc.  
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:08:03
Message Number 11692

Why, hello, Nana! mAnd welcome to this board! We always need new,
cheerful faces to perk this board up!
             /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:14:07
Message Number 11693

SS>Yeperdoggies.
SS> Oooops, I shouldn't have said /that/, now I'll never hear the end
SS> of it.
     
   Do you realize the phrase 'Yepperdoggies' is an ethnic slur against
all halfbred Lithuanians/ Argyles?  That in their native tongue, it 
represents a horrid phrase that can only be barely translated into
the English phrase 'fishmonger'? Not only that, but do you realize that
the mere mention on that phrase has doomed the seventh son of your
seventh son to fail Calculus? (The latter is due to an old Huayatl
curse, on loan to the Argyles.) Indeed, sir, not only have you not 
heard the end of it... you ma not have heard the beginning of it.
    c      In Bob's name,     /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/01/91 10:22:23
Message Number 11694

T>Well, now that we've ground that episode into the ground, what
T>shall we talk about next?
     
   " 'The time has come,' the Walrus said,
        'To talk of many things:
      Of shoes -- and ships -- and sealing-wax --
         Of cabbages -- and kings --
      And why the sea is boiling hot --
         And whether pigs have wings.'   "
                      /Dragonfly/
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:27:44
Message Number 11695

> Great flick!!!!!
 
  Yeah, it was cool. Finally saw it...
  "Camelot!
  "Camelot!"
  "It's only a model..."
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:30:51
Message Number 11696

> you trying to tell me that the song was fascinating or interesting?
 
  Yeah, in a manner of speaking. It wasn't "fascinating", but it was a
bit interesting. It's not one of my favorite all time songs or anything.
And to automatically assume that everyone who participated in that 
recording was in it for money, it's just as much Bullshit as you accused
me of. You don't even know IF some of them got payed.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:33:12
Message Number 11697

B>...you must admit it's unique.
> I'll admit it's perverted.
 
  Who cares. (Hey, your point in the last message!)
 
> Can you be a bit more specific?
 
 Not really. Stupid comment, product of a bad mood.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:35:21
Message Number 11698

> Changed pronouns there, Beatle.
 
  I don't care at the moment. Gee, I ask a simple question, and you 
avoid it. Quite a nice hypocritical way to work. Don't get it?? I've 
seen you accuse Turtle of missing the point MANY times. Answer the damn 
question. What music DO you like?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:38:18
Message Number 11699

> You susre you are addressing your mail to the correct individual?
 
  I didn't address it. The software did, sorry if its confusing. It
automatically addressed it to you when I hit "R". But didn't you post 
that joke ("E.T. The Extra Testicle") the first time it appeared?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:40:25
Message Number 11700

> Perhaps you could suggest something for me to sample?
 
  Well, I heard a bit of Metallica that wasn't half bad, and I wouldn't
know who does any of the other stuff I heard. When the guitarists at 
Pentacon started playing it, it was quite good. Real interesting. BTW, I
heard some Faith No More that sounded good (just thought of that)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:42:44
Message Number 11701

> Say, how come you aint on the Storyboards?
 
 My creativity level is somewhat mediocre. Not to mention I have a lot
of regular messages to keep up with (hundreds on Armadillo Connection) 
and I have no time to keep up with a storyboard. I don't do them well, 
either.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:45:20
Message Number 11702

 
  "What do you burn instead of witches?"
 
  "More witches!!"
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:49:32
Message Number 11703

  Since you both know something about Vietnam, then help me out. I just
have the general fact that the people of this country considered the war
wrong, and protested a whole lot. Now, I have no facts to truly decide 
wether the war was good or bad. From what I heard, we couldn't have 
"won" it or "lost" it, but my history teacher claims we should have 
stayed there and we would have won. Evidently, I'd like to get these 
ideas cleared up in my head. (And asking Turtle AND the Specialist 
should provide a nice differing set of facts or opinions)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:53:20
Message Number 11704

 Who says someone can exaggerate your opinion when you think it /is/ a
good idea? Why argue about it if you do believe it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:57:00
Message Number 11705

> Ummm, That's Cyndi Lauper.
 
 I asked for that, didn't I? :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/01/91 11:58:49
Message Number 11706

> ...aggravating the hell out of toher users.
 
  Oh, I don't think so. I love watching the two of them dance around the
issue with comments about each other's state of replying.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:00:22
Message Number 11707

> school paper... it may "offend some lawyers..."
 
  Yeah, a school newspaper will offend a lawyer. How many lawyers are on
campus? Not putting down your anecdote, just adding to the stupidity of 
the person who made the comment.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:02:50
Message Number 11708

> It was late and I was tired and had just watched Rocky I through VI.
 
  Two problems with that. That's taking something to an extreme (altough
I have no objection to watching all three Back to the Future films back 
to back :))... and second, there ISN'T a Rocky VI.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 02/01/91 12:05:56
Message Number 11709

  Think getting those songs out of your head is weird? Try "Istanbul,
Not Constantinople" and "Particle Man" both by They Might Be Giants. The
producers of Tiny Toon Adventures were nice enough to include these in 
the last new episode since Mid-December.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/01/91 15:54:20
Message Number 11710

>MS-DOS, yes, it's a pretty bad Op Sys, but it still can be made to
>run other terminals.
 
Two questions: How much extra hardware are we talking here, and when
you hang the terminals off of this thing, do you end up with one
/processor/ controlling multiple /jobs/? Is it actually a multiuser,
multitasking system? I have yet to see such a thing--my experience
with Novell networks is limited to a job I did once setting up a
fairly lame AutoCAD network.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: teletype       
Date & Time: 02/01/91 15:57:10
Message Number 11711

>...and a ramboard off an IBM too..
 
Hey! I've been looking for an IBM RAM expansion card (XT bus) for a
while now! If it's XT I'm interested.
 
>...about 2.5 megs I would guess...
 
I would be very surprised if it were more than 640K, actually. The
IBM expansion bus is too slow for very large memory cards--you end up
having so much trouble getting the refresh signals out there to the
RAM that you have to throw in a gadzillion wait states for it to
work. That's why most upper-end IBM machines use SIMMs these days
...they've almost evolved a separate memory bus.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/01/91 16:03:25
Message Number 11712

Ugh. Turtle isn't even sure he WANTS to get into the whole Viet Nam
thing right now...he'll sit back and let the Specialist field this one,
and bash him as appropriate. *Sigh* And my head hurts, too.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 02/01/91 16:04:43
Message Number 11713

School newspapers don't offend lawyers, they give them crusades. Look
how many lawyers jumped on the conservative bandwagon to stop the
insiduous spread of evil as represented in a school paper a while ago
that had the gall to run an article on birth control...THAT issue
made it to the Supreme Court, where the highest justices in the land
solemnly declared that freedom of speech doesn't apply on school
grounds and that the content of a school paper may be arbitrarily
censored by school officials for any reason whatever. Oh boy.
Thanks for striking that blow for decency, morality, and a police
state for all, guys.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/02/91 03:38:45
Message Number 11714

>Now, I have no facts to truly decide wether the war was good or bad.
     
   How can you decide if ANY war is 'good' or 'bad'? Is a war 'good'
is our side is winning? If we're involved? What justifies a war?
   Personally, I feel no facts will ever make a war 'good' or 'bad.' 
The morality of a war is subjective; facts are objective. For example,
was the Civil War 'good' or 'bad'?
   
> From what I heard, we couldn't have "won" it or "lost" it, but my
> history teacher claims we should have stayed there in the first place
> and we would have won.
    
   "Winning" and "losing" a war, on the other hand is NOT subjective.
If the country that goes to war achieves the objectives it set out
BEFORE the war, it has won. If it doesn't, it lost. Simple, no?
   Our objectives in Vietnam were to prevent the Communists from
taking over all of Vietnam. Question: did we win or lose the war?
    
   Any comments from y'all?
                   /Dragonfly/
     
   By the way, winning or losing a war has no relevence to the morality
of the war, of course. Don't confuse the two issues.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/02/91 04:37:25
Message Number 11715

> Of shoes -- and ships -- and sealing-wax --
  
Okay! I pick sealing wax. Did'ja ever notice that most kids will take 
the sealing wax from home-made jelly jars and have more of a ball with 
it for a day than with a real jelly sandwich??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:33:43
Message Number 11716

> If we keep quoting I'm gonna hafta watch it again...soon!
 
  Like that's a /bad/ thing?
 
  "I am your king!"
  "Well, I didn't vote for you!"
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Tapes          
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:38:57
Message Number 11717

> I may even own a CD player by then...
 
 And then you can listen to "The Disney Afternoon CD"!!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: INTRO SCREEN   
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:40:37
Message Number 11718

> I am now working not one but /two/ shit jobs...
 
  Why can't you find better jobs?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:44:47
Message Number 11719

> I suppose I'll now hear "butt out."
 
  Yeah, of course, since Turtle has droppednot folowed the first rule of
debating (attack the issue, not the person), you don't know what's gonna
happen.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/02/91 11:53:27
Message Number 11720

> Don't confuse the two issues.
 
  Didn't plan to. Didn't try. Anyway, it was just something that came 
into my head, and I wanted an answerSince I don't know much about the
events of Vietnam, I can't really make many conclusions from your 
message... thanks for the try, tho...
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:44:09
Message Number 11721

I stumped you on some trivia> I guess that makes it your turn. 
Here's one for you.  What's Chekov's first name?
(And, yes, spelling counts)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:45:54
Message Number 11722

T> Homopertvual?? Is that like antidisestablishmentatianism?? 
  
In a word, no.  But ask the Specialist what the definition is.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:48:17
Message Number 11723

R> No, you have a day!  No, have two days!  Three days! Hell, take the 
entire week.  
   
Awww, geeesh, what a guy, he give me a whole week.  
    
     
    
  
 
To do what? May I ask?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: T> Uh, I don't 
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:51:00
Message Number 11724

T> Uh, I don't think that's the right spelling..."Pig-headed" is 
T> Supposed to start with a "P". 
  
Score one for Turtle. 
Sorry, I'm doing the cheering thing again. 
I guess, I'm not really in the mood to pick fights. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:56:06
Message Number 11725

T> Man, you gotta watch that, Scott. This guy's nasty. 
  
NO, just single-minded, pig-headed, stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious, 
opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with. 
Did I leave anything out?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 02/02/91 15:59:28
Message Number 11726

None of the places I called have ever dealt....stupid shit...more 
stupid shit...
    
You know, you're truly sick. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:01:16
Message Number 11727

You have a job as a dish-pig, huh. Sounds like fun. 
Turtle, are you still working at McDumps?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:02:48
Message Number 11728

TS> Hey! *I* wasn't the one who's been slamming you every other message.
don't rag on me!
     
What's the matter, specialist? You don't like being attacked unprovoked?
I mean,/you/ do it all the time. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Yepperdoggies. 
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:08:22
Message Number 11729

DF> Do you realize...repesents a horrid phase...bullshit...incredibly
shit garbage....
 
That's the most ridicolous thing I've ever heard. 
Don't you ever have anything useful to say?
   
And no, none of my kids (if I ever have any) will fail Calculus.
Besides, I'm not planning on having seven sons in the first place. 
  
Have a useful reply to this one, too?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:16:34
Message Number 11730

SS> Ummm, That Cyndi Lauper.
  
b> I asked for that, didn't I? 
   
You sure did.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/02/91 16:18:09
Message Number 11731

B> I love watching the two of them dance around the issue...
   
We, if is wasn't Turtle's bbs I'd suggest calling ahalt to the whole
thing.  That's what I would do. But, again, it's not my bbs.
Personally, I think it's a waste of disk space. 
But, to each his own.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:19:15
Message Number 11733

T> Did'ja ever notice that most kids will take the sealing wax from
T> home-made jelly jars and have more of a ball with it for a day than
T> with a real jelly sandwich??
     
  Of course. When you throw a real jelly sandwich against the wall, it
doesn't bounce back. Nobody has ever played marbles with real jelly
sandwiches. Jelly sandwiches squish when you toss them from hand to
hand. They don't float as well as sealing wax, either. 
   Even still, jelly sandwiches are much more fun to stuff down a
friend's back. And they're much more fun to toss at low-flying heli-
copters.
                  /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:25:53
Message Number 11734

SS> What's Chekov's first name?
     
   I'll hazard a guess. Popol?
            /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:27:02
Message Number 11735

SS> No, just single-minded, pig-headed, subbord, arrogant, obnoxious,
SS> opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with.
SS> Did I leave anything out?
     
  Yes. Intelligent. Even though I firmly disagree with some of the
positions of the Specialist, he's an intelligent person. 
  Militaristic. By that I mean, "thinking in a military manner." In
many ways, he's the person who would best understand the ideas of
the military mind in our war against Iraq. 
  Succint. His messages clearly state his points. 
  
   As soon as I think of more, I'll write 'em.
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Yepperdoggies. 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 00:37:19
Message Number 11736

SS> That's the most ridicolous thing I've ever heard.
   
   Thank you. That was its point.
   
SS> Don't you ever have anything useful to say?
   
   Yes.
   
SS> And no, none of my kids (if I ever have any) will fail Calculus.
    
   What I'd like to know: How do you know that?
   
SS> Besides, I'm not planning on having seven sons in the first place.
    
   The prophecy says nothing about your planning to have seven sons.
It merely prophecizes about the seventh son of your seventh son.
    
SS> Have a useful reply to this one, too?
    
   No. Have a nice day.
             /Dragonfly/
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:07:32
Message Number 11737

> By not supporting the war effort, you are hindering the soldier, and
> helping Hussein.  The Us Govnt is going to continue to fight, and if
> Hussein thinks that he can wear us down, he will continu to fight
> longer...and your protesting is what is giving him that hope!
 
Hussein will continue to fight regardless of protests, or lack thereof,
in the United States.  You are right: what Hussein is banking on is
that the American public's opinion will grow so strongly anti-war that
the government will be forced to withdraw for political reasons, whether
or not the goal has been achieved.
 
This point granted, it is not sufficient reason for me to SUPPORT the
"war effort."  Look, bub, I have friends over there, and quite frankly,
I don't think this conflict is worth them dying over.  The soldiers who
have died there have NOT died for THEIR country.  They have died because
their government finds this war politically convenient.
 
Incidentally, "my protesting is what is giving him that hope!"?  The
only "protesting" I have done has been to question	 our country's
motivations.  Hussein has seemed genuinely surprised in past interviews
that Americans are ALLOWED to question	 their government.  I *do*
support our soldiers, but if I wasn't allowed to be less than supportive
of their Commander In Chief's reasons for sending them there, then
there wouldn't be a reason for them to fight in ANY war.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:15:47
Message Number 11738

> Interesting how you believe a message is valid regardless of the
> source when it simply states what you already believe.
 
The converse of that statement would be to believe a message is valid
when it comes from a particular source, regardless of its content.
Personally, I prefer Turtle's way.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ODEN                
Subject: teletype       
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:36:56
Message Number 11739

O>...and a ramboard off an IBM too...
 
What kind of ramboard, for what kind of IBM?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:39:02
Message Number 11740

I wasn't slamming you, Rufus...what the hell has got into you??!!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:40:23
Message Number 11741

I was referring to the present tense.  Don't try to cloud the issue
with irrelavant bull about how the thing passed by whatever amount
of votes...
 
because now the war is on, we're kickin' ass, and the protesting is
not gonna stop the war or do anything but show a lot of people that a
few vocal war-protesters can really make asses of themselves.
 
Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:43:51
Message Number 11742

S>Did I mention...
T>No.  Do you...
S>Yes.  [Gaggots] are sick, sick, sick.
S>There.
 
DF>Defend your premise.  
 
No.   I don't need to.   Simple fact.  Very, VERY SICK individuals.
So shut up and butt out.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:47:39
Message Number 11743

I really don't know how to describe what kind of music I like, it's 
a real mish-mash...how about if I list some bands and some songs I like?
 
YES - Roundabout, Changes, Cinema, most of thier old stuff..
HEART - All of thier old stuff, some of thier new stuff, less of recent
RUSH - A great majority, a few too hard. 
STYX - Some of there newer stuff...
CHICAGO - Almost all
James Taylor - Almost all
Billy Joel - Almost all
QUEENSRYCHE - Some of thier newer stuff, most of "MindCrime"
METALLICA - A select few...
DIO - "The Mob Rules"
LED ZEPPLIN - Only thier classic stuff.
PINK FLOYD - Same as above....
Crosby, Stills, Nash - Some of 'em.
 
I hate George Michael, Debbie Gibson, Rick Ashley, or any other of those
"too pop-py" bopper type artists.  
 
   ...answer your question?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:57:19
Message Number 11744

B> E.T. The Extra Testicle...
 
No, I don't think I posted anything like that....  Heh, heh.  Kinda 
funny, though. 
 
 
...Would the individual who posted that please come forward?
 
 
 ....20 bucks says it was SNAKEBYTE....SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/03/91 06:59:01
Message Number 11745

Actually, some of Faith No More is audible.  (Can be listened to.)
Ok, ya got me...I like some of thier stuff...but only what I've heard
on the radio.  Kinda rubbs off on you after a while.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:00:38
Message Number 11746

"You've got two 'alves of cocoanuts, and your bangin' 'em tuhgetha!"
 
 
"So, go away, you silly Knnnnnnniggets!"  SPppppppth!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:02:40
Message Number 11747

Ok, this is what I know about Viet Nam:
 
Originally, that part of Asia was called Indo-China.  When they kicked
the French out, it broke up into the individual countries.  The country
that was Viet Nam contacted the US and asked for some assistance setting
up a government, so we set up a govnt in South Vietnam.  (Not a US run
government, exactly, but a puppet type deal with one of them in office.)
Obviously, there were resources there that we could use, like rubber, an
a few others, I forget.  So we had "intrests" in the region.  Now, North
Vietnam was communist and turned on South Vietnam, which promply cried
to the US.  So, we sent "military advisors" over there, and then troops,
and then MORE troops.  
  Now, back home, Johnson was instituting a plan for "social overhaul" 
which supposedly was supposed to solve all of the problems for "under-
priveledged" peoples (poor folk).  Now, this all came right after the 
"Civil rights" movement, when blacks demanded to be treated as equal
citizens, and got it.   Well, that movement still had a lot of momentum.
  At the same time, the draft was on, to get more troops for Vietnam.
There were ways you could get around the draft, and the people who could
afford it, did.  How?  By going to college.  Black people, who were 
poor, got drafted more often than whites, because no money=no colledge.
No college=free trip to Vietnam.  So, the blacks were understandably
pissed.  The few draft dodgers who could afford college stirred up 
public resentment by protesting the war from thier sanctuarys.  So what
you got, was blacks rallying against the war (because they were going
the most), college people rallying against the war (because they didn't
want to go), and also college professors, who conspired across the 
country to stir up other campuses.  
  Now, local law enforcement athorities (who mostly came from blue
collar families), thought of the protesters simply as "hippies" and
(Continued next message)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: (Part II)      
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:31:02
Message Number 11748

(Get ready with that Crtl-S...<enter> to continue)
"Pinkos" (kinda like that term) and tried to handle the first protesters
with "strong-arm" tactics...excruciatingly stupid social blunder.  Thier
crude methods of "protest control" not only did not *stop* the protests,
it created *MORE* protesters, because the ones who were indeciscive 
decided to side with the Anti-War movement after watching the brutal 
"Riot Control" methods the police used.  (So, you see, not everyone was
against the war; some were just radicals who wanted thier "right" to 
protest...and this was as good a cause as any....) 
  So by the time 1968 rolled around, Johnson was in a world of shit...
both domestically and on foriegn shores.  We were getting our asses 
kicked in Viet Nam, because of the stupid policy of "matching forces",
and at home there was real trouble.  The nation was rapidly separating
into Peace, man... vs.  Kill the Commies! (tm).  His "Help the Poor" 
and supporting the war was tearing the hell out of his budget (couldn
afford both).  Gen Westmooreland was lying through his teeth, the media
was telling on him every night on the six o'clock news.  Johnson didn't
want to pull out of Viet Nam because there were a lot of dead men 
already...and if he had pulled out without winning, then there would be
hell to pay, and besides...General Westmooreland says we're winning....
   Election time...so what did Johnson do?  That f***er bailed out! 
"I will not seek, nor will I accept, the nomination of my party..."
So now Nixon takes over...oh, right.  That's better. Nixon orders the
bombing in Cambodia, to stop the war...?  Sends 1,000's more to thier
deaths...and finally realized the truth.  We've lost in Viet Nam, we
dicked around until it was too late.  Time to go home. 
 
Ok.  Your teacher was right, Viet Nam *could have been* a "winnable"
war, ie, we could have accomplished the mission, to eliminate the
(continued)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: (Part III      
Date & Time: 02/03/91 07:51:51
Message Number 11749

(ready?)
advance of Communism (which all the military advisors thought was going
to happen; the stupid Domino Theory, which went like: One country falls,
then another country falls, and so on. (...and he told to friends, and
he told two, and so on...)) (gee, aren't nested parentheses fun?).
Meaning, that if we'd gone in full force, as if it were a war, then we
could have defeated the Viet Cong.  Until they came out of hiding in
Cambodia.   
  But we didn't go in full force, it was a police action, which means
following the Rules Of Engagement.  Match force with force.  
  Why did we do that?  Well, people were concerned about the political
ramifications of declaring war on NVM.  We were concerned about what 
the USSR might think.  Besides, really, that was supposed to be a 
civil war.  We should have stopped with military advisors.... 
  I think that you will find that opinion colors a lot of what people 
say about the Viet Nam "conflict". 
 
My point was this:  Not all people who were protesting originally were
concerned about why we were there.  They couldn't have cared less, they
simply didn't want to go, theelves.  Then the blacks added thier
momentum from thier Civil Rights movement, and the Anti-War Movement
got stronger.  Then the police created all kinds of new protesters. So
by that time, it was really out of control, snowballing.  Nixon really
screwed up, when he "called on all the patriotic Americans out there
who support this war...the Silent Majority..."  All he did was polarize
a nation between Yes war and No war.   
 
  And then there was Woodstock.  What was the goal of Woodstock?  To 
promote peace.  Can you think of a more *popular* event in the last 
50 years?  So Anti-War became popular.  And the rest is history...
 
Turtle?  Care to clarify or dispute?  I realize that this was sort of a
slanted summation...but it was accurate, historically, as far as I can
remember.  I may have left out a few points that I didn't think of....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:06:58
Message Number 11750

T>How much extra hardware are we talking here, and when you hang the
T>terminals off this thing, doyouend up with one /processor/ controlling
T>multiple /jobs/?  Is it actually a mulituser, multitasking system?
 
Well, the terminals in question have to have special ROMs and cards
to interface to Ethernet or whatever LAN system you use.  The main
computer *is* the *only* processor to handle the jobs, and the software
is the multitasker.  It works rather well, or if you don't believe me,
ask King Lighting in Sarasota...they have a network similar to the one
I have described.  I understand that all the main has to have is
the software and the LAN card.  'Cept you have to have a powerfull 
processor, like a 286 or a 386.  (Relatively powerful.)  And, of course,
disk storage space for workspace swapping.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: teletype       
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:13:05
Message Number 11751

If you want an XT memory expansion board, then I can get one for you.
Up to two megs, using 41256 chips.
 
Interesting point on how most newer machines use SIMMs...I never thought
of it that way.  Though, EPSON uses surface mount and many SM memory 
chips right on the board for the main memory, and then uses a pullout 
board on its own bus, with up to 16 slots for SIMMs.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:17:01
Message Number 11752

Rather than repeat all you said, I'll paraphrase.
 
Wining a war or loosing a war...objective.
Good war or bad war...subjective.
 
Simply put, well spoken.  Have you taken lessons from Turtle?
 
Y'know, a history teacher of mine put it this way:  If Hitler had
won his war, then we would all think that what he did was right. The 
winning side writes the history.
  So, any wonder why my history books had not one page on Viet Nam?
 
Who won the Viet Name conflict?  Echo answers mournfully....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:21:33
Message Number 11753

Pavel.  Pavel Chekov.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:22:18
Message Number 11754

SS>No, just single-minded, pig-headed, stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious,
SS>opinionated, and in general very difficult to get along with.
 
*Who's* arrogant!  I'm not arrogant.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:24:42
Message Number 11755

SS>Whatsamatter, SP4?  You don't like being attacked unprovoked?
SS>I mean,
 
You don't know *what* you mean.  Just siddown and be quiet.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:26:46
Message Number 11756

SS>Did I leave anything out?
DF> Yes. Intelligent.
D>  Militaristic.
DF> Succinct.
 
(Look of suprised astonishment.)  Er...ah, why, thank you.
(Look of the man who shoved with all his might on door he thought bolted
but found unlocked and ajar.)  
  
  Ah, yes, I might also say that you are very succinct and intelligent.
And well spoken.  (Well spoken and succinct are not always the same
thing.  You can be (and I usually am) succinct witout being well 
spoken.)  As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post is
worthy of Turtle.   (High praise, indeed.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:39:44
Message Number 11757

I'm not asking you to SUPPORT our government.  I'm trying to put on
a front here, for the benifit of our troops, and to decieve Hussien into
thinking that the country is united against him.  What I'm asking you to
do is be quiet!  I *DO* recognize your right to object!  I feel that 
your (collective) right to object is as important as mine to say what
*I* feel!  *MY* objective (if I could achieve it) would be to stop the
public protesting.  
  Now, that sounds like a big *NON SEQUITUR*, I realize.  How can I
believe that you should have the right to protest and still tell you to
not protest publically?  I can't *TELL* you anything...but I can ask.
If I were in command, I would *ask* you not to...but I wouldn't try to 
stop you.  That would be stupid.  It would also end up like what happend
towards the beginning of Viet Nam.  Squeeze too hard and people slip 
though your fingers. 
  If you want to support the troops, go join a support rally!  Going
and joining a protest doesn't support the troops! 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 08:46:36
Message Number 11758

TS> believe a message...reguardless of the source...because it simply
TS> mirrors what you already believe.
 
M> conversely to believe a message valid because it comes from a 
M> particular source, reguardless of it's content.
 
Yes, that's true.  I think that we're *all* aware of that, and a little
to smart to fall for it.  My point was that his quote was convenient to
the point he was trying to make...but it simply repeated what he already
said.  So, he quoted a mirror...kinda like, so what?
 
Incidentally, way to twist my words, there, dude.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:03:24
Message Number 11759

Sharp 500/EL?  Never heard of it...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:12:09
Message Number 11760

Well, school papers are taken home, parents read the papers.  Parents 
are lawyers.  Parents get angry at spineless administration.  Remember, 
it's always good to sacrafice a student or two as long as the 
administration doesn't have to deal with upset parents (or something
like that...)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:15:09
Message Number 11761

Ya know, as I was reading over the messages I was singing "Particle Man"
to myself.  I like "They Might Be Giants."
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:18:47
Message Number 11762

I have a few articles on those events.  If I can find 'em I'll bring 'em
by sometime.  One of the articles mentioned that in one area a whole 
network was set up for 'underground' newspapers.  GASP!  How terrible.  
But back to what Beatle was talking about, my friend did a comic that 
took a jab at lawyers.  The teacher refused to print it because it might
offend some people.  The newspaper policy is opposite of that of the 
video show policy, which did some bit with a white guy talking jive.  It
was rather pointless, but at least it wasn't even funny.  I wish our 
school would be consistent on what can and can not be done in our mass
media things.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Your one week! 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:26:23
Message Number 11763

In your one week, you must collect the snot of an african elephant, mix
it with wild herbs from the Andes mountaints, stick this mixture in a 
cup, and freeze it at the magnetic south pole.  After that, eat it and
write a 600 page report on how this item, if included on the table of 
Henry IV, would have altered the way America treated the Indians.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 09:37:09
Message Number 11764

Your original message of "Very good..next week we'll work on
compliments" (or something close to that) sounded very condescending (
that's probably spelled wrong, and I don't have a dictionary within a
mile, so I can't look it up).  What's gotten into me?  Simply, I'm in a
bitchy mood because of various factors in my life.  I shouldn't have 
snapped like that.  I apologize, and if this Black & Decker handy 
chopper wasn't so messy, I'd...[you get the drift, and I won't agitate 
you anymore by finishing that, but I digress far to much.  AAAARRGGH!!!]
 
[Please disregard that message, the patient hasn't been getting his 
plaid pills lately.]
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:19:58
Message Number 11766

>If a country that goes to war achieves the objectives it has set,
>it has won the war.
---
>Our objectives in Vietnam were to prevent the Communists from taking
>over all of Vietnam. Question: Did we win or lose the war?
 
Well, the Communists took over Vietnam. Therefore, we did not achieve
our objectives. You figure it out.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:23:27
Message Number 11767

>...since Turtle has dropednot folowed the first rule of debating...
 
Huh??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:35:09
Message Number 11768

>Did I leave anything out?
 
Homophobic.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:35:40
Message Number 11769

>Turtle, are you still working at McDumps?
 
Sadly, tragically, unfortunately, yes. What's more, all the interesting
people I used to work with there have left.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 12:41:21
Message Number 11770

>...Would the individual who posted that please come forward?
 
'Twas Dionysus, who doesn't call here very often and therefore will
likely not be able to step forward.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:23:19
Message Number 11771

DF> Ill kazard a guess.  Popol?  
  
Bzzzz. Wrong guess. You care to try Double Jeopardy. Where the scores
can /really/ change.               ^for   
(Quote from Die Hard. John McClene to Hans Grober. (sp?))
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:26:43
Message Number 11772

DF> Yes. Intelligent. 
  
Tahnks alot.  I was trying to show the Specialist that, perhaps, he 
should be a little bit open-minded.  But true enough, he's very 
intelligent. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Yepperdoggies. 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:28:53
Message Number 11773

Queint reply. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:31:29
Message Number 11774

TS> Interesting how you bleieve a message is valid regardless of the 
TS> source when ti simply states what you already believe. 
  
Max> The converse..would be to believe a message is valid...(because it 
comes) from a particular source....
    
Well, you both made your point, but they both lack stability. 
"Many of the truths we hold dear are dependent largely on our point of
view."  (Ben Kenobi) 
Point being, just because you argee with something doesn't make it 
anymore valid, than if you disargeed with something makes it invalid. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:39:34
Message Number 11775

TS> Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war. 
   
Do you mean popular in a positive way, or do you mean, infamous, in a 
bad way.  
I don't think that if an option /was/ available. In other words, Saddam 
was ready to give up the war effort.  I don't believe even the /true/ 
American would like to see the war go on. 
The war's not popular. Just that the need is seen by some, and therefore
supported.  But, definitely not popular. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:44:37
Message Number 11776

DF> Defend your premise. 
 
TS> No.  Idon't need to. 
   
In actuality, you can't.  It's not a matter of fact, it's a matter of 
preference.  Therefore, you can't defend your premise. 
   
TS> So shut up and butt out. 
  
Geeez, a little edgy today?  Boy, you don't normally attack unprovoked. 
  
At least, that's your defense as far as Rufus is concerned. 
  
Have a day.   Copyright 1990.  Scott Steel.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:49:10
Message Number 11777

TS> I hate George Micheal. 
  
Hey, I resent that remark.  I like his music and his writing.  He's 
got some pointant material in his latest album. 
===========

From: SCOTT$STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Viet nam       
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:53:56
Message Number 11778

Your message was a little too long., but that's understandable. You give
an excellent overview, without side-stepping the issues. 
Very matter-of-fact, not opinionated. 
Good jod. 
A definite thumbs up.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:56:58
Message Number 11779

Pavel Chekov... Hell, I /knew/ that you knew.  The question was directed
towards Tiberius. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 13:58:15
Message Number 11780

TS> *Who's* arrogant!  I'm not arrogant. 
   
ROTFSC.  Unnnn, no, I don't think so.
===========

From: SCOTT$STEEL      $  
To: THE SPECIALIST$   $ 
Subject: war!$$ $$ $$$$$
Date & Time: 42/03/91 13:59:46
Message Number 11781

God, first you tell Dragonfly to shut up and butt out, then you tell me 
to sit down and be quiet. 
   
I more polite, I suppose, but too bossy. 
  
TS> You don't know *what* you mean. 
   
Do too. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:02:54
Message Number 11782

(To DF) TS> As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post
is worthy of Turtle. (High praise, indeed)
   
Yes, Dragonfly can debate an issue well, but I think you're actually 
sucking up.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:05:47
Message Number 11783

TS> ...but I wouldn't try to stop you (from protesting)
   
Yes, I believe you would ask.  But if people protested anyway? 
Didn't you say to shot the pinkos that were protesting?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Your one week! 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:09:49
Message Number 11784

Instead of taking that assignment, I think I'd rather fail the course. 
I'll take the F.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:12:24
Message Number 11785

T> Homophobic.  
   
No, he's no afraid of homosexuals.  I just hates them. 
Is there a word for that? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:13:36
Message Number 11786

Well, at McDumps I guess interesting people are as hard to come by as...
maybe a mis-laid dollar at the home of a Jewish man.
  
Rather unlikely. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 02/03/91 14:15:11
Message Number 11787

T> T'was Dionysus. 
  
Leave to Turtle to know that. 
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:14:12
Message Number 11788

> (And, yes, spelling counts)
  
If I'm not mistaken, it's P_A_V_E_L, right?
And of course, we all know what language is Uhuru's second, right?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:17:04
Message Number 11789

> ask the Specialist what the definition is.
  
OK, if you insist.  Spec?? Any help here?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:20:11
Message Number 11790

> Even still, jelly sanswiches are much more fun to stuff down a 
  
OK, I'm gonna step out on a limb and try this one. I actually saw it 
on a talk show on TV, if you can believe it. --->
  
When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which comes first, the
peanut butter or the jelly??
  
You'd be surprised at the answers given on the TV show.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 21:35:06
Message Number 11791

>Silly damn idea, anyway...protest a popular war.
  
Don't get me wrong, Spec, I approve of what we are doing and I have a 
real "Give 'em Hell" attitude about this thing, but the idea of a 
"popular war" somehow doesn't sit too well with me. Can war ever be so 
popular that we would opt for it over no war at all?
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: MAX                 
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 23:34:19
Message Number 11792

Bravo, sir! A stirring performance!
    
   Although I haven't read the original message, it seems the Specialist
agrees with the message: "If you're not absolutely supporting the war
in the Gulf, you're utterly opposed to it and our soldiers." Dualism,
though it might be convenient, is rarely right. 
    
   I'm curious: What do you mean by, "...if I wasn't allowed to be less
than supportive of their Commander in Chief's reasons for sending them 
there, then there wouldn't be a reason for them to fight in ANY war."
There would still be reasons to fight for a war, of course. They just
might not be for freedom or democracy. Then again, this was isn't being
fought for freedom or democracy, either.
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/03/91 23:41:59
Message Number 11793

>Silly damn idea, anyway... protest a popular war.
    
   <Mouth hanging open in despair.> Did you really mean that? Do you
really mean to say "if it's popular, it would be silly to protest it"?
Whether or not it's popular has nothing to do with whether it's a good
idea to protest it. The best one can say: Not many people will be 
converted. 
    
   Should the war be protested? There's a fair number of people who
feel blood should not be spilled for oil, and that the sanctions 
should have been given more time. Should the war NOW be protested?
People don't want to see their loved ones die for oil. As soon as
body bags start flying in from the Gulf, the war will become much
less popular.
                     /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:04:27
Message Number 11795

Thank you, Specialist! No, I haven't been taking lessons from Turtle.
   
   You're absolutely right when you say "The winning side writes the
history." A lot of people feel threatened when you point out the U.S.
was (and is!) not always on the side of morality. (Take a look at what
we did to our Orientals during WWII. That was unnecessary.)
                      /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:08:40
Message Number 11796

   Thanks, back at ya!  I disagree strongly with many of your opinions.
But I respect your intelligence, and I respect that you're willing to
state your opinions. 
            /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:12:02
Message Number 11797

>Sharp EL/500? Never heard of it...
    
   Absolutely amazing machine! It was one of the first "pocket 
computers," with 50+K of ROM and a whopping 5K of RAM. Had a fantastic
calculator for the time, BASIC on-board, and a port which could be
hooked up to a micro-cassette deck (not included.) Oh, yeah. And a
one-line screen that could display 24 characters at a time.
  Go for REAL power.
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 00:23:57
Message Number 11798

>When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which comes first, the
>peanut butter or the jelly?
     
   Why, the bread, of course! Without it, you just have some peanut
butter and jelly floating in mid-air, waiting for bread beneath it to
hold it up!
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/04/91 05:41:32
Message Number 11799

> ...not to mention that it made money for the artists involved.
 
The new version of "Give Peace a Chance" isn't making ANY money for the
artists involved; all profits are going to various charities the
Lennons support.  It seems a fair number of people 'round here are
dismissing the song solely because it doesn't seem to support the
"popular" war.  Whatever one can say about lyrical consistency (a bit
of a red herring, since the song was never WRITTEN to be lyrically
consistent) or musical merit, dismissing it as a greedy way to stir up
protests just doesn't cut it.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 05:51:20
Message Number 11800

> don't tell *me* that it was only people who were protesting war that
> got the war stopped.  A great multitude were just there to cause
> havoc.
 
To borrow one of your favorite phrases, "bullshit."  What stopped the
war in Vietnam was lack of support, both from the American public and
from the South Vietnamese themselves.  Public opinion	 was turned
against the war, more than anything else, by the havoc wreaked UPON the
protesters -- not the protesters themselves.
 
As for the claim that protesters were just there because they wanted
something to protest (something that I believe you've claimed repeatedly
in this thread), you're entitled to your opinion -- but there's not a
shred of evidence you can offer to support that.  All the protesters I
have ever talked with, whether from the '60s or the '90s, were sincere
in their beliefs.  There may be people who were "hangers-on" in the
movement who were only along just to be part of something, but the same
can be said for ANY movement -- including the current "pro-war"
demonstrations.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:02:28
Message Number 11801

Novell networks aren't capable of running terminals in the last version
that I've seen.  Televideo makes ultra-smart terminals for use with
Novell systems that actually have MS-DOS 2.11 in ROM and 286 CPUs, but
that's a different kettle of fish entirely.
   OTOH, a sufficiently powered station on a LAN could run a terminal
off it, kind of like a point system running off a Fido node, but
completely different.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:15:08
Message Number 11802

Uh, Led Zepplin, Queensryche, Metallica, and Rush are all pretty much
considered "heavy metal."  You sure you want to go about bashing the
form so much?
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:19:08
Message Number 11803

> If Hitler had won his war, then we would all think that what he did
> was right.  The winning side writes the history.
 
That's not necessarily true.  If he had taken over the United States
(a not terribly likely scenario, although possible), that wouldn't
necessarily change people's /attitudes./  A conquered country does not
develop an immediate love or respect for their conquerors; in fact,
I'd suggest the opposite would be more likely.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:22:06
Message Number 11804

You might notice that I'm not out there protesting.  I see your point,
but I'm not particularly sure I agree with it.  For one thing, about the
troops "seeing the protesters and being discouraged"... if they have
any access to news media at all, they'll notice that 86% of the public
IS supporting the war effort currently.  I have been supporting the
troops, but I have not been supporting their commander in chief and
will continue not to do so.
 
It is also, perhaps, important to note that we DON'T KNOW what's going
on over there, when it comes right down to it.  The only reports we
get from the front are cleared by IRAQI censors, because the Pentagon
is less cooperative with our media than they are.  Caution	 toward the
press is understandable, but they're pushing it a bit too far; you must
wonder whether or not things are going quite as well as it's made out.
 
Last but not least: give the American public about three weeks after the
ground fighting starts in earnest.  The Pentagon right now has two
goals, to have the fighting be as short as possible and to have the
smallest number of casualties possible.  These two goals may be in
conflict, and if they go for one they risk botching the other.  When the
casualties start being reported not in one or two lost a day but in one
or two hundred lost a day, the "hippies" will not be the only ones
beginning to question our government's motivations.  As I see it, the
protesters aren't the radicals pissing in the wind they're made out
to be -- they're just a few months ahead of the rest.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:29:51
Message Number 11805

It's not twisting words at all.  When you quote something, it's
generally because you thought it was said eloquently, and usually
because it said something you agree with more eloquently than you've
seen it stated before.  I don't normally believe in mincing words, but
I like the way Chris Grant said it: "Beating around the bush only gets
you sorry-looking shrubbery."  I have to question whether or not your
dismissive, sneering "so what?" in response to the Spider Robinson
quote, followed by a "who cares what a Canadian thinks?" comment, has
less to do with the source or the quote than the fact you just like
being derogatory and dismissive of ANYTHING said by anyone who dares
hold an opinion	 contrary to yours.  (If this isn't the case, it's
certainly the way you present yourself, and it tends to make any
"debate" with you fruitless, because your mind is already made up --
when evidence against your position is presented that you can't
attack, you dodge the question by attacking the person or some other
part of their message unrelated to the point.  I honestly wish you'd
consider this criticism SERIOUSLY instead of responding to it with
a flippant flame, hmm?)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:42:17
Message Number 11806

SS> ...did I leave anything out?
T>
T>Homophobic.
 
Bullshit word.  Saying that I'm afraid of faggots is like me saying that
you are afraid to program in 6502.  I hate fags, you hate the 6502.  Or
shall I call you, 6502-phobic?  Even if you did accede to being 
6502-phobic (which, incidentally, is another made-up nonsensical word)
I would not even dignify the word. 
 
Homophobic is a word made up by fags to cover up thier own abnormality.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:46:44
Message Number 11807

T> Twas Dionysus, who doesn't call very often
 
Shit.  I lost 20 bucks.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Viet nam       
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:50:05
Message Number 11808

SS> (previous message)  Yes, I'd agree.  Intelligent.
SS> Very matter-of-fact, not opinionated.
 
Ah, actually, it was pretty slanted.  Well, from what I could read after
I was finished...
 
SS> Good job.  Thumbs up.
 
Ahhgh!  I'm not sure that I can *handle* two compliments in one night.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:52:11
Message Number 11809

Yes, well, if he had logged on, he would have responded right away to 
your question...and if he had, he would have guessed before I posted my
answer. 
 
Anyway, sorry....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:54:12
Message Number 11810

TS> You don't know what you mean.
SS> Do too.
  
Donotdonotdonot!!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:55:52
Message Number 11811

SS>Yes, I believe you would ask.  But if people protested anyway?
SS>Didn't you say to shot [sic] the pinkos that were protesting?
 
Yes, I did.  Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 06:58:01
Message Number 11812

T>Homophobic.
 
SS> No, he's no [sic] afraid of homosexuals.  [He] just hates them.
SS> Is there a word for that?
 
Yes, but it depends on who you ask.  If you ask Turtle, he would say
the word was BIGOTED.  If you ask me, I'd say the word was NORMAL.
Course, Turtle likes fags.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:00:34
Message Number 11813

SS> ask the Specialist what the definition is.
 
T>OK, if you insist.  Spec?? Any help here?
 
Homopervertual:  Of or relating to any abnormal sexual behavior between
the same gender of sexes; any sexual activity between two or more of the
same sex; see also sodomy, AJ -TOPGUN-, homosexuality.
 
It's stupid nonsensical word I made up in response to the stupid 
nonsensical word, Homophobia.  (Both words have actually *no* semantic
value whatsoever.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:06:33
Message Number 11814

Which comes first, peanut butter or jelly?
 
Why, the PB, of course!  That makes it easier to clean up.  PB, then
wipe the knife on the other slice, then jelly.  Quick rinse on the 
knife with hot water, and you're set.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:09:10
Message Number 11815

T>Can a war ever be so popular that we would opt for it over no war at
T> all?
 
No, but the fact is, we're at war.  And a popular war, is one that is 
generally supported by the public.  Like WWII.  The whole country 
was involved, with women making the weapons, and everybody doing thier 
part with rationing and all....  It was "popular".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:15:48
Message Number 11816

M>Whatever one can say about lyrical consitency (a bit of a red herring
M>since the song was never WRITTEN to be lyrically consistent) or 
M> [other] musical merit, dismissing it as a greedy way to stir up
M>protests just doesn't cut it.
 
Oh, please.  The song was a way to stir up protesters.  Period. 
Never mind what it was aimed at, it's first function when it was 
originally created was to cause pacifism and stir up the free radicals
who couldn't *be* pacifistic to go out and protest the war.  And now,
these people's sole purpose was to protest the war, how much money they
make not withstanding, and cause people to have a pacifistic attitude 
with thier popular influence.  PERIOD. 
 
Tell me that the people who sang that did it because they wanted to have
another hit single?  Bull...they could have picked a better song.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:23:46
Message Number 11817

M> because of the havoc wreaked upon the protesters.
 
Yes, I believe that I said that.  Read on, Max...read on
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:24:56
Message Number 11818

M>Novell networks aren't capable of running terminals in the last 
M>version that I've seen.
 
I never said that it could.  I simply said that it was the interface
between terminals and the server.  The *SOFTWARE* running on the 
main was multitasker.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:27:32
Message Number 11819

Ah, but I didn't say all Heavy Metal...I said heavy metal in general.
And my statement about the way it sounds is for the most part accurate.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:28:28
Message Number 11820

M>That's not necessarily true.
 
Yes, but you got my point, right?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:31:15
Message Number 11821

Could it be?  Have I been so dismissive and sneering and derisive?
Is it that I simply discount others opinions simply because they don't
align with mine?
 
 
 
Naahhhhhh.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:37:42
Message Number 11822

P-A-V-E-L 
  
right. 
Uhura's second language....Swahilii.  
How about the color of Spock's blood? And the minerial it's based upon?
(Like our blood is iron-based.)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:41:49
Message Number 11823

T> When making a PB & J sandwich, which comes first, the PB or the J??
   
Well, the grocer, of course.  You've got to buy the bread and PB & J. 
Wait... 
The bakery, the bread has to baked first. 
No. NO. NO.... 
The manufacturer, the berries for the jelly and the peanuts for the PB 
have to be processed. 
Damn, sorry.  
The ground has the come first. First you have to grow the wheat, berries
and peanuts first. 
    
   
   
 
 
 
 
Aw, forget it.  You'd have to go all the way back to the beginning of 
time.    
Man, you ask too difficult of questions. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:54:16
Message Number 11824

TS> You don't know what you mean. 
SS> Do too. 
  
TS> donotdonotdonotdonot!!
  
Do to, do to, do to, do to!
  
As you might say, can we end this thread already. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:56:18
Message Number 11825

TS> Yes, I did.  Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
   
Dodge. Dodge.  Evading the facts. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 07:58:04
Message Number 11826

TS> I'd say the word was NORMAL. 
   
Boy, I guess there's some abNORMAL people out there.  And I bet they're 
not all homos, either.  I, personally, don't approve of homosexuality. 
Does that make me abnormal? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:00:37
Message Number 11827

TS> Homopertual.....any sexual activity between two ro more of the same 
sex...
  
Does that mean that if ?you? were engaged in a foursome (you with one
girl, and the other /guy/ (same sex as you) with the other girl. 
Would you be homopertual?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:03:00
Message Number 11828

TS> Quick rinse on the knife with hot water, and you'r set. 
   
Thanks for the kitchen tip. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:04:39
Message Number 11829

Tell you what, you get a tape of cats being electrocuted, and I'll 
listen to it.  If it is compatible, then you could go into business for 
yourself.  Quality tapes at a cheap price.  And also get rid of some
cats at the same time.  
 
I bet our resident animal torturing committee could help.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:08:08
Message Number 11830

TS> Could it be?  Have I been so dismissive and sneering and derisive? 
TS> Is it that I simply discount others opinions simply because they 
TS> don't align with mine? 
  
   
   
TS> Naahhhhh. 
   
Yep.
===========

From: CHARLES             
To: ALL                 
Subject: PICNICK!       
Date & Time: 02/04/91 08:33:31
Message Number 11831

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===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 09:13:11
Message Number 11832

I dunno...that 5k of ram pushes it out of the 'real' computer catagory.
All your really need is 2k at the most. I do like that 24 char. display,
though.  Sometime this week I'm gonna go to Radio Shacks computer center
and see if I can get some ram for this model 100 (which I've been using 
for the past few days while I'm away from home) and see what roms they 
have.  BTW, if you see Raven, tell him I want his 300 baud acoustic
modem he bought at that auction a few yrs. back.  I need to be able to
use this at the 7-11.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: ALL                 
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:19:19
Message Number 11833

   What do you think about women in combat? 
   Right now, women are allowed to take part in all non-combat duties
in our armed forces, but they aren't allowed any combat roles. Should
they be allowed to? If a woman is drafted, should she (like men) be
forced into a combat role? (Sub-question: Should women be drafted?)
   I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of the Specialist
and Turtle on this issue...
                /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: MAX                 
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:23:54
Message Number 11834

   "If Hitler had taken over the U.S.... wouldn't necessarily change
people's attitudes." Let's quit talking abstractions, and talk reality:
the Baltic countries, taken over in 1945.
   The Soviets DID re-write the history of the Baltics. There are a
fair number of people from the Baltic states (and not merely the
Russians who have moved in!) who do not support independence from
the U.S.S.R. That's partly due to the forty-five years since the
war, partly due to economic reasons (oil from the U.S.S.R. has been
extremely cheap.) Face it: peoples' attitudes HAVE changed due to the
war: from hatred to resignation.
   Yes, the protests show there's still a lot of support for indepen-
dence. (And Gorbachev allowing there to be martyrs for the cause will
hurt him much more!) But I doubt anyone could claim the attitudes of
the Baltics haven't changed from over forty years of Soviet rule.
             /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:40:48
Message Number 11835

Homophobia is accepted as a word by Miriam-Webster. (Irrational fear of
homosexuality or homosexuals.) Even if it were at one point "made-up,"
the same can be said of every word. 
   (You asked me to "Drop it" before. I did. You didn't.)
   
   Considering you haven't given a rational reason to hate homosexuals,x
I'd say homophobic is apt.
               /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:48:49
Message Number 11836

Spock's blood is, of course, green.
    
   OK, here's one for you: What color was Spock originally supposed to
be? And why was it changed?
            /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 10:54:47
Message Number 11838

Good luck finding stuph for the model 100. And, if I remember, I'll
ask Raven about the 300 baud.
     
   BTW, what ARE you planning on doing out of a 7-11? And does it
involve fascinating government secrets?
                 /Dragonfly/
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: teletype       
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:10:36
Message Number 11839

How much can you find an XT memory card for? I have an XT machine
(an old Columbia) that can only go up to 256K on the motherboard and
counts on having a memory card if you want more, but what I don't have
is a great deal of money to spend on one...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:14:24
Message Number 11840

>As a matter of fact, I would say that most of what you post is
>worthy of Turtle. (High praise, indeed.)
 
(Look of surprised astonishment) Er...ah, thank you.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Sources & You  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:18:37
Message Number 11841

>Point being, just because you agree with something doesn't make it
>anymore valid, than if you disargeed with something makes it invalid.
 
Yes. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with quoting people if
you believe they made the point you were trying to make more eloquently
than you did...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:25:08
Message Number 11842

>No, he's not afraid of homosexuals. I just hates them.
>Is there a word for that?
 
Homopathic, perhaps?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:26:05
Message Number 11843

>Rather unlikely.
 
Not really. You'd be surprised how many really interesting and bizzare
people you can meet at a McD's. About half of the really, truly
interesting people I know I met at McDonald's. ('Course, most of the
truly, profoundly, fundamentally stupid and boring people I've met I
have /also/ met at McDonald's...) Normal people don't work at McD's,
they work at The Gap or some office somewhere. The people you get at
McD's are generally either too stupid to work anywhere else or very,
very intelligent but totally unmotivated; there's not a whole lot of
in between.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: ET stuff       
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:28:54
Message Number 11844

>Leave to Turtle to know that.
 
Hey, what do you think happens to the old messages that disappear
from this system? They don't evaporate; they go into this motherhuge
.LZH archive...
 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:37:36
Message Number 11845

>Homophobic is a word made up by fags to cover up thier [sic]
>own abnormality.
 
Actually, I was under the impression that "homophobic" was a word made
up by the American Medical Association to describe a pathological
psychological condition, but what do I know?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:39:53
Message Number 11846

>Course, Turtle likes fags.
 
No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people just because they are fags. There's
a difference. Believe it or not, there are gays out there that Turtle
DOESN'T like. Wow. Imagine that.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 11:41:38
Message Number 11847

>...see also sodomy, ...
 
Sodomy is not exclusively a homosexual activity, any more than is
oral intercourse.
 
>(Both words have actually *no* semantic value whatsoever.)
 
Nope. That isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of factual
knowledge. A word which is found in a dictionary is not a word with
no semantic value, almost by definition. "Homophobic" is a word which
is listed in the dictionary. Q.E.D.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:02:29
Message Number 11848

DF> What do you think of women in war? 
  
Boy, you /do/ write some tough questions.  
  
But seriously, I'm glad you asked that question.  
What do I think?  I don't like it. Scratch that, I hate it. 
  
NOTHING against women.  I /do/ believe women should, for the most part, 
be treated as equals.  This doesn't include combat. 
Just as a footnote to all female BBSers and liberalists. 
Nothing in this message is meant to be chauvinistic. 
Point #1.) Women are not as physically strong as men. 
Point #2.) Women are not as endurate as men. 
Point #3.) Women are more emotional than men, therefore are not 
susceptible to brain-washing and more likely to break under torture. 
Point #4.) Women are more likely to be raped.
Point #5.) Psychologically, as far as society is concerned, the 
brutalization of women is more enraging and more disgusting. Therefore,
the war would be more likely to turn into a blood bath.  Soldiers would 
attack with ruthless abandonment in retaliation. War, as ugly as it is, 
is fought by strategy too. 
Point #6.) Finally, I'd hate to see a woman hurt or killed.  I just rubs
me the wrong way.  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:25:52
Message Number 11849

DF> Ok, here's one for you:  What color was Spock originally supposed to
be?  And why was it changed?  
  
Got me there.  But to venture a guess I'd say:  Green in color, 
disregarded because of problems with make-up. 
 
Close? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Sources & You  
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:30:22
Message Number 11850

Cute subject.  
T> ....There's nothing wrong with quoting people if you believe they 
made the point you were trying to make...
  
True.  I argree with you.  But remember /I/ wasn't the one arguing with 
you.   I was just pointing out the fact that opinions and validity 
are not compatible.  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:34:21
Message Number 11851

T> Homopathic, perhaps? 
  
I like it.  I like it. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:36:49
Message Number 11852

T> No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people because they are fags. There's
T> a difference.  Believe it or not, there are gays out there that 
T> Turtle DOESN'T like.  Wow. Imagine that. 
   
Right.  Whether or not someone is gay is not be a reason to be firends 
with someone. I've had one gay friend that like to dresses and owned
over three-hundred Barbie dolls.  Very, very strange, but still he was
a friend.  At least, until he wrote me a love letter the day he moved
out-of-state.
I don't have any gay friends at this time.  But if I did, the SP4 would 
definitely freak out if they came out to visit.  
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:47:10
Message Number 11853

>What do you all think about women in combat?
 
Well, women enjoy the benefits of our society, and do so essentially
as equals; therefore...
 
I don't buy a lot of the arguments that people use against the idea of
introducing women into combat roles. Women generally have better
physical endurance than men, even if they don't necessarily have
the brute strength (which isn't that much of a liability in modern
warfare); women tend to be more stable under stress than men; and
femenist myth aside, the "women=peaceful, men=aggressive" stereotype
doesn't have all that much validity. On the other hand, I don't think
society is likely to deal very well with the idea of women in combat
roles, and in wars which are large-scale to the point where they
involve a significant fraction of the younger population (like, say,
WWII) there are excellent arguments of a strictly continuing-the-
population nature against the idea. A given gene pool can more readily
lose a larger number of its male members with less damage than it
can lose a large number of its childbearing members. (But hey, if
women had been more involved with WWII, we might not be faces with
the problems the baby boom brought upon us...)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/04/91 12:54:04
Message Number 11854

>Point #2.) Women are not as endurate as men.
 
Not true; their physical stamina is, on the average, slightly higher.
 
>Point #3.) Women are not as emotionally stable...
 
Also not true.
 
>...and more likely to break under torture. 
 
I'm not aware of any studies that have been done to address this point,
but I'd be willing to bet that women would actually deal with torture
*better* than men. No evidence to support either assumption, though.
 
However, you do have a good point about women being more likely to be
raped (in a battlefield 
type of psychological environment, a distinct
likelihood I hadn't thought of), and that brutalization of women is
likely to cause a stronger emotional reaction...and would therefore
be likely to cause problems of a completely different sort.
 
Finally, I don't like to see /anybody/ killed. It rubs me the wrong way.
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: MAX        $   $    
Subject: sayings        
Date & Time: 02/04/91 18:37:08
Message Number 11855

>...."beating around the bush only gets you sorry looking shrubbery"....
 
hahaha, I like that. 
 
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:18:47
Message Number 11856

>Homopervertual: Of or relating to any abnormal sexual behavior between
  
I got it. In other words, what the faggots do at a hen party, right?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:21:04
Message Number 11857

  
>Why, the PB, of course!
  
Not necessarily!! I saw that a lot of people put the jelly on first.
Can you believe it?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:25:33
Message Number 11858

>.... it was "popular".
  
It was accepted, but not necessarily popular. I know, I know, semantics
and all, but I feel that way.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/04/91 22:28:45
Message Number 11859

Spock was definitely GREEN with envy due to the copper base of his blood
  
Ahhhhh, let's see......Who was generally Bones' second in command?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:38:18
Message Number 11860

TS>Yes, I did.  Course, I can say that now, because, I'm not in charge.
 
SS>Dodge. Dodge.  Evading the facts.
 
(Disdainfull look combined with a snort...)  Are you listening?  Really?
I'm sure that what you say now and what you would do were you actually
in charge would differ as well.  If you're going to post, make the 
comment within reason.  Saying that I dodged the issue is inaccurate, 
and strikes me as simply an attempt to annoy me.
 
(Hmmm.  Which if it was, it was enormously successful....)  >:[ 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:43:49
Message Number 11861

SS> I, personally, don't approve of homosexuality.  Does that make me
SS>abnormal? 
 
No.  Approving of homosexuality doesn't make you abnormal, either.  But
if you *were* homosexual, *that* would make you abnormal.  Sick.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:45:44
Message Number 11862

T>Homopertual [homopervertual [sic]]...any sexual activity between two
T>[or] more of the same sex...
 
SS>Does that mean that if ?you? were engaged in a foursome (you with one
SS>girl, and the other /guy/ (same sex as you) with the other girl.
SS>Would you be homopervertual?
 
Can you read?  "...between two or more of the same sex..." Does it say
anything about more than one sex involved in the encounter?  No. 
 
And just for the record, as long as the girl didn't "do" the girl, and
the guy didn't "do" the guy, no.  And please leave /ME/ *out* of any
future examples....  I hate being in examples when we talk about 
homopervertuality.   I want nothing to do with it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:51:56
Message Number 11863

SS>Thanks for the kitchen tip.
 
Got it from Heloise.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/05/91 05:52:36
Message Number 11864

SS>...[tape some cats being electrocuted]...
 
Yes, but I'd have to add some more sound effects...like banging noises,
combined with screeching and scratching noises.  
  
Good idea, tho...there's definitely an audience for that stuff in heavy
metal audophiles.....
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:03:08
Message Number 11865

> just because you agree with something doesn't make it any more valid
> than [disagreeing] with something makes it invalid.
 
Yes.  Of course, we were talking about the "validity" of quotes when it
comes to illustrating your point more eloquently than your own words do,
not whether or not a particular quote is "valid."  My point was only
a small and humble one: using quotes from people in an argument is not a
bad thing.  (In many cases, it can bolster your argument quite a bit,
such as quoting someone with a great deal more experience in the subject
than either you or your "opponent" have.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:07:05
Message Number 11866

How about this for a comment on "hatred" vs. "fear": the former is a
more extreme degree of the latter.  All hatred is BASED on fear, even if
it is just a fear of the unknown.  Every person I have met who hates a
particular group -- whether that group is homo/bisexuals, or blacks,
Jews, women, or whatever -- generally neither understands them nor is
willing to take the time to do so.  In many cases, they're not willing
to get close enough to a known member of that group to see whether or
not the assumptions they base their hatred on	 is valid.  "Homophobic"
IS as good a word as any to describe someone who hates gays.
 
And, incidentally, it was created by psychologists, not homosexuals,
as the Specialist would like us to believe.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:11:14
Message Number 11867

It is a philosophical question of just what fighting for your country
means.  People could come up with reasons to fight in a war other than
defending your country or its allies, but I don't think they hold much
weight; and to me, a country that doesn't place a high value on freedom
and individual choice is not a country worth fighting for.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:16:32
Message Number 11868

> its first function was to cause pacifism...and now, these people's
> sole purpose was to protest the war...and cause people to have a
> pacifistic attitude with their popular influence.
 
Promoting pacifism.  Horrors.  What IS the world coming to?  I might
point out that the new version of "Give Peace a Chance" was recorded
BEFORE the war broke out, making the argument its sole purpose was to
protest this war a bit shaky.  It is true that the people who recorded
(and wrote) the song aren't supporting U.S. involvement in the
"liberation" of Kuwait.  So what?  The message of the song is inherent
in the title, and as trite as it may sound now (and may have sounded
when it was first recorded), I don't think it's a bad idea.  All of
history tells a tale of countries that are more willing to kill one
another's soldiers and citizens than to give peace a chance; in fact,
it suggests that a lasting peace is a great deal more difficult to
achieve for ANY length of time than simply beating each other's
brains out until somebody cries "Uncle!".  I don't particularly like
the song, but I appreciate the message, and I wish more people would
wake up to the fact that war is simply the path of least resistance--
not necessarily the best solution to political conflicts.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:23:07
Message Number 11869

Ah.  Was the main system running PC-MOS rather than MS-DOS?  I have
seen true multi-user PC installations running under that system using
Arcnet cards.  I believe Novell is just software, although they make
both Arcnet and Ethernet cards (which can run on any LAN or multiuser
environment).
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:27:40
Message Number 11870

Well, here's an opinion.  Women in the military should be allowed into
combat positions.  Women, on the average, have /more/ stamina and
agility than men do -- they're just usually not in jobs where that
shows through (due to the same societal bias about "proper female roles"
that keeps them out of combat currently).  The only reason they are not
in combat now is because of lingering pseudo-chivalric ideas of menfolk
protecting their delicate women.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: War win/loose  
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:32:52
Message Number 11871

The economic factors for the Baltics would not hold true for a nation
trying to conquer the United States.  Point one: we're halfway around
the world.  We are as close to economically independent as you're likely
to get in our geopolitical system (yes, I am aware of the trade deficit,
but compare our self-sufficiency to that of most second-world nations).
During WW2, we were in a much better position to be self-sufficient than
we are now.  Point two: we're big.  We're REALLY big.  We're bigger than
all of the Axis powers put together.  I have a great deal of trouble
believing that the United States /could/ be conquered in its present (or
WW2) form: it simply wouldn't be possible for the conquerors to hold it
together for that long.  We aren't talking about the USSR taking over
the Baltic states, we're talking about the Baltic states taking over the
USSR.  The logistics problems, especially with 20th-century combat
mechanics and technological realities (not present in the histories of
the great "world conquerors" of the past), would be close to
insurmountable.  The "conquered" U.S. would always be on the brink of
revolution, and the North American "empire" would probably have a great
deal of trouble lasting past the '70s -- if it could ever be forged to
start with.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 06:44:13
Message Number 11872

300 Barbie dolls?  I'd say that was a bit weird, regardless of the
owner's sex (or orientation), but maybe that's just me.
 
> I don't have any gay friends at this time.  But if I did, the SP4
> would definitely freak out if they came to visit.
 
Yes, that's probably true.  'Course, I just put 5500 miles on my car in
the last two weeks driving out to meet a lot of friends from around the
world congregating in Anaheim, California, and a fair number of them
were bisexual.  I can't help but wonder what the Specialist's reaction
to meeting them would be -- or vice-versa.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:54:53
Message Number 11873

SS> Women are not as emotionally stable... 
  
T> ..Not true. 
  
How so?  I mean, for example, you're more likely to see a woman crying 
in public than a man.  Hmmm probably not the best example.
But justify you're statments that women are more endurate, and that they
are more emotionally stable. 
The endurance bit, I might be able to buy, but not the other. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:59:18
Message Number 11874

Good. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 07:59:56
Message Number 11875

T>  .. Who was generally Bones' second in command? 
   
That's easy. Nurse Chapel.  BTW, did you know she's married to Gene 
Roddenberry? And that she's does the voice of the computer in ST:TNG?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 08:05:42
Message Number 11876

I would like to interject with a story about endurance as far as men 
compared to women. 
When I worked for Winn-Dixie warehouse in Sarasota I saw, first hand, 
the trouble women have keeping up with men.  
Let me set the stage. 
It's five o'clock in the morning, you've just punched-in. 
At the front shipping desk you're assigned to an aisle.  
In these aisles are pallets of merchandise. 
Bear in mind, that you have to throw 551 cases per hour to keep your 
job.   Also, these cases weigh between 5 and 45 lbs. 
So, if you figure an average case weighs, let's say, 20 lbs. 
And you throw 551 case per hour, eight hours a day. 
In one day, you've thrown approx. 10000lb/day. Or 80000 lb/week.
Now, we all know that lifting 5 to 45 lb is not /that/ difficult 
even for a woman.  But when I came down to throwing average, I never 
saw a women throw average consistently.  And, yes, we did have a few
female employees, most didn't last two days. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 08:16:38
Message Number 11877

M> I can't help but wonder what the Specialist's reaction to meeting 
them would be.. or vice-versa. 
  
THAT would be interesting!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 09:04:41
Message Number 11878

Actually, Radio Shack still has a listing for the RAM (which is more 
than can be said for the acoustic cups) chips, so they may have them in
stock.  If I get enough ram for it, I'm gonna have Ken Sable call that
one BBS that actually had a model 100 download section!  Then I can set
up my own model 100 file transfer system on Uncle Bob's.  As to what 
I'll be doing with the model 100 at the 7-11, well, that's top secret.
Oh, what the heck.  The first thing ya do is establish contact with the 
gov't. computer, located on the island of Fiji.  First you call Alaska,
where the call is sent to a satellite, then down to Utah, 600 miles E
E-SE to another uplink, to Antarctica, then to a small hut in the 
Tibeten mountains, then back up
to the satellite then back down
to Fiji.  Then you enter the 7-11
ask for a Toad Slurpee.  You open the bottom and get the prize, which is
actually a decoding ring, then you wait for the coded message and then
you decode it.  Real tight security (notice I didn't mention /which/
7-11 I'd be using...)  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/05/91 09:20:01
Message Number 11879

I just toss two pieces of white bread (I hate wheat, oat, bran, etc.),
some jelly, some peanut butter, and a small splash of milk in the 
blender, and blend it up.  Saves from all that chewing ya gotta do 
otherwise.  And the jelly always drips out if you make a sandwich the 
conventional way.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:10:12
Message Number 11880

I'd say that you were mixing your terms, DF.  There's a world of 
difference between an "irrational fear" and an "extreme hatred".
 
And as for homophobia being accepted by Mirriam-Webster, almost any
word with the suffix "phobia" can be admitted by them.  It is still a
nonsense word.  Who would be afraid of a pansy?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:12:57
Message Number 11881

No.  Women should not be allowed into combat zones. 
Couple of reasons.  One, women would be allowed to "get over".
In other words, an NCO who was in charge of a squad might not put a
woman on point as much as he would put a man on point, simply because
he favors the woman, or the woman offered him favors.  Two, men have 
a tendency to act irrational around females.  Two soldiers out ther
have been shot.  Who is the first a man would rescue?  A female soldier.
Why?  Why being gallantly stupid, of course.  Or any situation like 
that, where a female was in danger, and probably would be perfectly 
safe, a man would risk his life (gallantly) to save her before saving
another male soldier. Three, men would compete over the woman, causing
problems within the squad, and reducing morale and efficiency of the
squad.  Yes, I've seen it happen in garrison, so don't tell me it 
couldn't happen out in the field (and over some of the gawd-awfulest
lookin females ya ever did see!). Four, there is the matter of female
physics.  Some females (not all, I've met a few to kick anyones ass) are
simply not strong enough to face the rigors of combat over an extended
peroid of time.  AND, speaking of periods...need I say more?
 
Rebuttal, Turtle?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: XT mem ext     
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:21:32
Message Number 11882

I dunno...lemme check on the price.  We have a few kicking around the
shop.  Remember, if those don't work, I could get check on my 
distributor and see what prices he has.  I'll check into it for you.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:23:04
Message Number 11883

T>Homopathic, perhaps?
 
I dunno.  Sounds better than -phobic, though.  Could someone please
quote the dictionary on that one fore me?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:24:40
Message Number 11884

T>...but what do I know?
 
Geeze, an awful lot...you're the warehouse for totally unneeded facts.
Actually, probably homophobe may have been made up by the AMA, but it
seems to me that most fags seized the word and used it like a shield...
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:26:37
Message Number 11885

T>..."homophobic" is a word which is listed in the dictionsary, Q.E.D.
 
See my message to DF.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:29:10
Message Number 11886

T>No, Turtle doesn't /dislike/ people because they are fags.
SS>I've had one gay friend...untill he wrote me a love letter...
 
Uh huh.  One more reason not to hang around with gays...they get the
wrong impression.  Hanging out with gays makes others believe that you
may swing that way, too.  I won't be associated.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:32:35
Message Number 11887

Ah, and speaking of eloquent quotes,
 
T>In other words, what the faggots do at a hen party, right?
 
Yes, exactly.  Hen party, haha!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:33:40
Message Number 11888

T>..the PB...
TIb> ...a lot of people put on the jelly first...
  
Slobs!  How do they clean thier knifes neatly!
'
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:34:51
Message Number 11889

Nurse Chapel.  What was her first name?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:37:35
Message Number 11890

M>"Homophobic" IS as good a word as any to describe someone who hates
M>gays.
  
Bullshit.  Wait...no, MANIFEST BULLSHIT (tm).  That entire statement
is based on the premise that hate is simply an exteme fear, which mine
is not.  Mine is a hate based on resentment, not fear.  I hate spiders,
now, and that could be based on fear.  Indeed, I am an arachnophobe.
 
And who created the word is irrelevant, anyway.  Gays use it like it was
some sort of talisman...to ward off the normal people.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:42:12
Message Number 11891

M>Promoting pacifism.  Horros.
 
AHAH!  You are a pacifist!  No wonder you would defend the song!  SO,
lemme get this straight.  You don't want to fight, you criticize those
who would, yet you enjoy all the benifits of a country that has fought
many times to maintain it's freedom...am I right?  Yes, I think I am.
Then, you turn around and want to encourage others not to fight...so,
tell me, if more of your type (pacifists) had been around before the
war in 1776, do you think that we'd still be under Englands rule?  Oh,
yeah....  Bloody good, eh what?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:45:42
Message Number 11892

M>Ah.  Was the main system running PC-MOS [than] MS-DOS?
 
Ah, no, I don't believe.
 
M>I believe Novell is just software, although they make both Arcnet
M>and Ethernet cards (which can run on any LAN or multiuser...
 
Ah, yes, Novell *is* just software, but it will let other software run
at the same time.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:49:17
Message Number 11893

M>I can't help but wonder wht the Specialist's reaction to metting them
M>would be -- or vice-verse.
 
"One, Two, Three...*CRUNCH*...Three."
 
The world will never know.
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/05/91 10:59:08
Message Number 11894

SS>No, he's not afraid of homosexuals. I just hates them.
SS>Is there a word for that?
    
T>Homopathic, perhaps?
     
   Hee hee: He's got pathos for homosexuals? I doubt it. I doubt he has
any sympthy for homosexuals... :>
            /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:10:13
Message Number 11895

>Believe it or not, there are gays out there that Turtle DOESN'T like.
>Wow. Imagine that.
    
   Something gives me the impression that whatever caused you not to
like them had nothing to do with their sexuality.
    
   This topic reminds me of someone I knew: one of the best bosses I've
ever worked under was a lesbian. (This one's for you, too, Specialist!)
She was an extremely good business-person, utterly bilingual (with
staff that generally only spoke English or Spanish), and a fantastic
editor. She was a tough, determined lady who turned the newspaper
into something worth reading. So what if her lover was another female?
    
   On the other hand, I've known several gay men who were constantly 
'hitting on' anything male that moved. (Haven't noticed the equivalent
in females.) But, the majority of gay men I've met have not been pushy
about their sexuality. 
                 /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:18:49
Message Number 11896

To be honest, i have mixed feelings on the topic as well. Personally, I
feel NO ONE should be forced into combat. (Leave soldiering to the
professionals!) But, if women want to be treated as equals, I feel there
can be no exceptions: not even combat.
    
   It's true that on the average women aren't as strong as men. But,
NASA has shown that their endurance is about the same as men. 
(Surprise!) 
   Sad but true: Nowadays, brainwashing is nearly an exact science.
Thanks to wonderful chemicals we have now, the strongest-willed man
can be reduced to tears. 
   It's true women are more likely to be raped. But I don't feel that's 
sufficient reason to keep them out of combat: men can be raped, as well.
   Finally, your last two points seem to be the same: It would be horrid
to see a woman die in combat. To me, it's horrid to see anyone die in
combat.
     
   There are other issues, of course: sexual relations between the
soldiers. Would that increase or decrease morale? (Especially when
some soldiers get possessive of 'their guy' or 'their gal.') And what
about maried men in the military: wouldn't that place a strain on their
marriage? There's a lot of questions, and I have few answers.
                 /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:27:24
Message Number 11897

Nope! Green was the color they decided on... Luckily, the color faded
with the episodes.
   Spock was originally meant to be red. But with the spectre of 
Communism looming over the horizon, (poetic, no?) the director changed
the color.
                /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:34:32
Message Number 11898

My God! Y'all have gotten further into a Platonic discussion than I
could have ever dreamed! And y'all did it without my help!
             /Dragonfly/
   
Lesse here... you were talking about people who quote authorities
and whether that is valid in arguments, right?
    
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:41:23
Message Number 11899

Hmmm... I wonder what a meeting between the Specialist and Zjonni
would be like... (Hee hee hee!)
              /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:44:18
Message Number 11900

   Aha! But you were missing the important question: What DO you do
with a Toad Slurpee after you've gotten the secret decoder ring?
Be forewarned: the Enemy has been known to sneak transmogrifiers
into Toad Slurpees.
           /Dragonfly/
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