From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/13/90 00:33:15
Message Number  7601

A conservative is a liberal who got mugged yesterday. No, I'd really
rather not have voted for Mr. Dukaka, The Most Boring Man on Earth.
On the other hand, your side has Jesse Helms, the man with the direct
line to God, the purveyor of common decency everywhere, the man whose
role models are Archie Bunker and Idi Amin, the man who only just
recently was caught secretly funding white supremecist organizations
in his home state... I think I'd rather have Mike.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/13/90 00:37:07
Message Number  7602

>Of course, a determined hacker will get by casual users like us
>anyway...
 
Ahem. I wish people would stop confusing hackers with vandals.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/13/90 00:38:26
Message Number  7603

I have some Pink Floyd, including both the album and movie "The Wall."
(If you've never seen the movie, I highly recommend it. And Brazil,
which I happen to have on the same tape.)
 
Didn't know there was a group called Futz. That's pretty funny. The word
"futz" as in "futz with it" is Beetle hacker terminology; "Yep, soon
as I ream this Type I out to 2.2 and put the Webber on it, she'll
do a quarter mile in thirteen seconds. 'Course I'll have to futz with
the timing a little..."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/13/90 00:41:48
Message Number  7604

How do I /really/ feel about the New Kids? I don't know; never given
it much thought. On the whole, I think I'd rather spend six hours
listening to Jesse Helms explain how Martin Luthor King, Jr. was a
Communist whilst being stapled to the floor than spend five minutes
listening to the New Kids spewing the inane to a viciously,
mercilessly repetitive computerized beat. The fall TV schedule /is/
going to suck wombat droppings.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: -:-                 
Subject: Hey!           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 00:50:09
Message Number  7606

"Hey, Rufus, you don't look so good. Are you--" As Rufus kissed the
ground, Turtle gazed at him in perplexity. "Um-OW!" he said eloquently
as a sudden sharp pain hit him between the eyes. "Uh, Rufus, wake up!
Rufus, dude, we got problems. Um--there's someone here who's psionic,
and, um, I think you should wake up now." He shakes the prone insurance
salesman by one shoulder. "Rufus, there's...who are you?" The reptile
looks at Zot Gnop with suspicion. "This day is definitely going down-
hill." He straightens and surveys the bar with the look of a man who's
just realized that he's wandered into the middle of a cage full of
pit bulls and is beginning to feel distinctly like a rabbit. "This
is definitely going to be a bad day."
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/13/90 03:15:24
Message Number  7607

Actually, nope ... It is really on a People Magazine commercial ... I
had just seen it about 0.11019191 seconds berfore posting that mesage...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/13/90 03:23:55
Message Number  7608

> I will be happy to make copied of my extensive Pink Floyd collection.
 
Ack!  Remember
 
This line is being tapped ... You don't want the FBI at your door taking
away your computer, stereo, and Pink Floyd collection just 'cause you
copied tapes, do 'ya!?  <grin>
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 08/13/90 03:25:32
Message Number  7609

Hmmm ... MI - THAG - O - ROUS (!?)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/13/90 03:27:19
Message Number  7610

Hey!  Hey!  HEY!!!!!  Watch that Turtle Bashing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
But atleast there's Dave to save us all!  <grin>
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/13/90 11:02:09
Message Number  7611

And in other Nuke Kids news, they have produced about six comic books
featuring our favorite group.  Of course there is an additional one that
actually (gasp) pokes fun at the Nuke Kids.
 
   ...now if Henry orders 60 copies of these, I'm gonna be real angry.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 08/13/90 11:04:54
Message Number  7612

Myth-a-Gore-ass!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/13/90 11:08:53
Message Number  7613

Well, I was in a gas station in the middle of no where and I saw that
cover.  Eee gads...
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:16:40
Message Number  7616

:)  No, she isn't...and you made her smile again.
         Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:17:26
Message Number  7617

Lace panties...
               Of course!
        Lacey
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:18:37
Message Number  7618

:)  Hah!  I can walk through the sun in 45...or so I'd like to think!
Ah, hell....off to burn.
                The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:35:40
Message Number  7619

Air cleared....:)
      The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:37:14
Message Number  7620

Ha-ha-ha-ha-HA!  Of course I don't have a dirty mind...I'm too much a 
lady for that.
         :>
              The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:38:14
Message Number  7621

Yes I have...and I'm going back today as a matter of fact! QED!
                Lacey
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:39:11
Message Number  7622

How did you read my e-mail?  And, yes you'd better run....for I'm going 
to kick your ASS!
          ;>
             The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/13/90 12:44:32
Message Number  7623

GeesH!  I'm home now, so where the hell are you?  ;)
             The Lady
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 14:45:45
Message Number  7625

>Lace panties...of course!
I think I need a respirator!  Quick! Someone call 911 (or William 
Shatner) for me.
                    The Yngling
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/13/90 14:55:52
Message Number  7626

OF COURSE, I have my own opinions - on EVERYTHING!  No one else's 
opinion REALLY matters, now does it?  It's just great for conversation.
Without opinions, we couldn't have conversations and without
conversations, we couldn't have relationships and without relationships,
we couldn'
I'll stop there..........I'm sure the faggots can carry on.......
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 15:01:37
Message Number  7627

Do you have faith in anything that hasn't been verbally, personally 
addressed to you?  I understand that it is hard for some people to 
accept that the Bible is the Word of God.  It goes back to what you want
to believe and Christians (for whatever reasons) want to believe that
the Bible and everything written is from God himself and that they
should obey what He has written.  Have you ever read the Bible and what 
part or is all of it bullshit to you?  As a Christian, I should try to
convert you, but I'm afraid I would be up against more than I could 
handle......now, if Turtle is a Christian, I know he could "save" you.
I agree, Turtle has an envious quality for expressing himself.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 15:33:44
Message Number  7628

I have a question for you?  What if you found out that someone you
really, really loved and cared for was a homosexual?  Would you retract
anything you have said and would your feelings remain the same?  I
have the same opinions as you have expressed (they are my very own 
opinions though) and have agreed with you on almost everything, except
the Bible.  This weekend I found out that my "little" sister has had
an ongoing affair with another woman for a long time.  This broke my 
heart and I am very confused.  I still maintain that it is a "sickness",
but that is hard to admit when it is about someone I love so much. I
don't think there is a "cure" though; it is just like alcoholism, unless
she admits that she has a problem, who can help her?  Certainly, not me
as I'm as "normal" and old-fashioned as they come.  BTW, my sister is
a VERY intelligent and beautiful woman.  I really can't go on with this 
right now as it hurts to even think about it. But, I was curious as to
if you were in this position, how would you feel?  
Thanks to our wonderful sysop for allowing handles on this board;other-
wise I could not have written this..........
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: arc            
Date & Time: 08/13/90 15:45:25
Message Number  7629

ARC,PAK,ZIP - all files that have been condensed.  You need to unarc the
arc files just like you unzip the zip files.  I will check and see where
I d/l-ed the unarc file and get back to you.  a NoviceII
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Judgement      
Date & Time: 08/13/90 17:32:09
Message Number  7630

My favorite is calling their bluffs.  I got off one night and a cop trie
to pin me for an improper turn because my taillight was out.  Before
it was all over he was saying he could take me jail for said offense.
That' where I said "Ok M****RF**KER - Let's go!" and held out my hands
for the cuffs.  It was in fact a memorable court appearance a couple
of weeks later...
                                   A (mostly) Law-Deriding JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/13/90 17:40:21
Message Number  7631

Funny how one day you're a "normal" bloodthirsty little brat and then
* poof * ya got morals.  I used to do all sorts of really horrible thing
to the local toads and frogs and such.  Then one day it was just no fun
then actually repulsive.  Persoanlly I'm glad.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/13/90 17:42:57
Message Number  7632

AJ>...  S & M  ... are all perverted sexualual acts....
 
Huh!  where do you draw the line?  I have been known to indulge in
"mild" bondage and think that it's quite fun with a partner of like
mind.  I really can't even see a lot wrong with people that feel the
need for a "stronger" discipline/submission arrangement.  It would
become quite another story if it were forced on someone tho...
 
                         A fit-to-be-tied JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 17:49:24
Message Number  7633

Actually your body depends on at least 15 minutes of exposure a day to
create the vitamin D that you need (unless you want to get it from 
milk - in which case - avoiding the sun will give you like coloration).
Girls like to look brown and "beachy" fits their nature <grin>.  I'd
be the last to say that the wood nymph look is out...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/13/90 17:53:51
Message Number  7635

Nah, *that's* cruel.  Better yet get a couple of water bottles and
tighten the plastic tie wraps /just/ enough to lock a plastic hose to
the water bottles which could be draped across its' back like saddle-
bags.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 18:07:00
Message Number  7636

C'mon - what is this?  *Twice* now? (caught Rufus yet?)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 18:07:51
Message Number  7637

Ooh! OOhhh!  This is getting too much - the MindPolice will be here
any minute!  Next question  (glare when this gets too personal)
How did lace panties figure in a nickname?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/13/90 18:12:08
Message Number  7638

BL>I found out that my "little" sister has had an ongoing affair with 
BL>another woman .. This broke my heart and I am very confused. 
 
Why?  She needs your support.  You have to learn to accept people with
their warts intact.  My folks were dazed and confused when my next to
youngest sister went to "live in sin" with a man that is as old as our
dad!  Since my sister and I have always been very close my mother wanted
me to "talk" to her.  I asked my mom: Does he beat her, does she love 
him?  Does he love her?  Are they happy?  She replied "Iguess so to all
of them" so I said - "then leave them the hell alone!  There is enough
misery in a person's life without those you love the most adding to
the problems!".  I would say the same to you, my friend.  She is still
the same person, merely a different facet of her has been revealed.
She can not change what she is.  The very best she could do would be to
hide it or fake it.  Both of which would take a tremendous toll on her
personally and condemn her to the personal hell of hypocrasy.
She needs your love and acceptance.  Be a *real* brother and not just
a biological sibling.
                                JonBoy
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: THRUD               
Subject: dumb questions 
Date & Time: 08/13/90 19:09:44
Message Number  7639

First off, thanks for your help.  What I have downloaded so far if PKZ
110.EXE, and 102.EXE.  When I ran them on a floppy they exploded differ-
ent files and filled the disk befere they got to the PKUNZIP portion.  
I`m reluctant to put them on my hard disc (which would take an hour of 
reading to figure out how), which is full of stuff I'll eventually have
taken off and put on floppies.  I guess what I`ll try is erasing every-
thing on the disc except PKZ110.EXE and running like your suggest.  I`ll
let you know if it works.  While scanning files I don`t remember seeing
a PKUNZIP but if I do, I`ll try it.  Will it work by itself?
Thanks again, I`ll keep you posted.    (gawd i feewl dum)
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/13/90 19:34:26
Message Number  7640

I might try that.  I`m leery of what I put on the hard disc but I am
going to have someone (maybe me) transfer all but dos to floppies any
way.  Just think, someday after I get this figured out I'll be asking
you about strings and batch files!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: tx             
Date & Time: 08/13/90 19:38:43
Message Number  7641

I almost forgot,------ thanks.  
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: dumb questions 
Date & Time: 08/13/90 19:41:09
Message Number  7642

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!--------- NOVICEIII------who is novice I?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/13/90 21:06:17
Message Number  7643

 
  > "The Wall"..."Brazil"
 
  Okay, I'll tell ya, I saw part of "Brazil" on television, and I was 
confused. Of course, the late show isn't the best place to watch a movie
and concentrate. I watched up to the part with Bob Hoskins and went to 
bed...
 
  On the other topic, what do you find in the film version of "The Wall"
to warrant an R rating?
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/13/90 23:12:28
Message Number  7644

HALLELUJA AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, BROTHER!
===========

From: ZOT GNOP            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/13/90 23:25:08
Message Number  7645

Drool drool mumble mumble....Please stop....I've a weak heart and a 
strong imagination. :)
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Futz           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 00:01:18
Message Number  7646

What is "Beetle hacker terminology"?  Anyway, I always thought "futz"
was a very old term.  My grandmother was the only person I knew who
extensively used the word.  I always assumed it had a Dutch derivation.
Hmmmm, have to look that up in my Funk & Wagnal.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: MAX                 
Subject: Myth #2        
Date & Time: 08/14/90 00:13:20
Message Number  7647

Congratulations on a wondrous issue #2 of Mythagoras.  It's gorgeous!
I really enjoyed "Travelling Music" and am impatient for #3 so that I
can continue the story.  Is this a two-parter, three-parter, a conti-
nuous saga?  It's a delight.  I'll never drive SR 70 again without
looking for some of the magic you've described.  Again, congratulations,
and looking forward to more.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/14/90 02:49:39
Message Number  7648

Hey, I was at the airport picking up Lori tonight and saw this little
brat wearing a New Kids T-shirt, carrying a New Kids notebook...
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! What's next, New Kids condoms? New Kids teflon-
coated "Cop Killer" bullets? I thought the Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles marketing machine was getting a little absurd, but this New
Kids thing is totally out of hand. Plus they can't play anything and
don't sing terribly well, either.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 02:53:51
Message Number  7649

>Of course I don't have a dirty mind...
 
That's funny! I get it. };>
 
Hey, when do you want that computer shipped to your doorstep? I also
need to show you around the business end of a logic probe. I found a
totally virgin TRS-80, no mods at all. This is gonna be fun!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/14/90 02:57:09
Message Number  7650

>I'm sure the faggots can carry on......
 
Tsk, tsk, tsk. And you were doing so well before that line, too.
Let us try to remember that use of terms like "faggot" is not likely
to win anyone over to your side, but it does project an image of an
Archie Bunker attitude that you probably want to avoid if you're going
to continue to be perceived as a rational person.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:03:53
Message Number  7651

Were Turtle a Christian, it's unlikely that he'd attempt to "save"
anybody. I think you may have inadvertently hit a vital point when you
said that Christians /want/ to believe the Bible. After all, it promises
immortality, which is something many people want so badly that they will
willingly accept almost any statement if by doing so they can be con-
vinced that they'll get it.
 
I am curious about two things. First, you claim that you are a
Christian, which makes me wonder how many other faiths you've been
exposed to. Did you become a Christian after examining a number of
belief systems and deciding for yourself that Christianity was the
most likely to express the nature of man's relationship with the
divine, or are you Christian because that's the only religion you've
ever seen and by some happy coincidence you believe you've found the
truth in the first (and only) place you looked? Secondly, Christianity
tells its adherents to witness and spread the word, but it does not
instruct Christians to win converts at any cost. The Specialist has
already indicated that he has been exposed to Christianity and has no
particular desire to be saved; would you attempt to do so anyway, over
his objections, if you were able?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:10:30
Message Number  7652

The fact that your sister is involved in a relationship with another
woman does not change who she is, does it? I would maintain that for
love to be genuine, it must also be unconditional; you cannot love
someone if and only if that person believes the same way you do or makes
the same decisions you would in that position. Is your sister happy
where she is? If so, what is more important to you: her happiness, or
her living by the conditions you've established? Why is it necessary for
you to believe that homosexuality is "sick," rather than simply
different? I don't know how helpful this message is; but personally
I would say: Either you love her, /completely/, or you don't. She has
made her own decision; if she is happy with it, by what right can you
not be happy for her?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Moral/Brats    
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:20:20
Message Number  7653

>Funny how one day you're a "normal" bloodthirsty little brat and
>then * poof * ya got morals.
 
A fine argument to support the premiss that morality is something which
originates within a society and must be taught to its members--there
is no inborn "moral sense."
 
"Anyone who believes in the goodness of man has never watched a child
play." --Mark Twain
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: dumb questions 
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:36:48
Message Number  7654

To uncompress everything to the hard disk, just copy PKZIP over to
drive C:, log onto that drive (type C: at the MS-DOS prompt), and
run it from there. PKZIP lets you create or disassemble ZIP files;
PKUNZIP only takes 'em apart. If you already have PKZIP you don't
really need PKUNZIP.
 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:39:01
Message Number  7655

>What do you find in the film version of "The Wall" to warrant an R
>rating?
 
That one's easy. Partial frontal nudity, /very/ (ahem!) suggestive
animation sequences, and a fair amount of violence.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Futz           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 03:40:38
Message Number  7656

"Beetle hacker terminology" is terminology used by Beetle hackers, of
course! If that doesn't help very much, Beetle hackers are those
individuals who love and cherish their Volkswagen Bugs, and spend
endless amounts of time futzing with them to get them to go very, very
fast and look really impressive. I picked up the word "futz" from some
friends of mine who are to Volkswagen Bugs what Leonardo Da Vinci
was to canvas.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/14/90 06:40:29
Message Number  7657

What are you doing in Gas Stations out in the middle of no where reading
covers of magazines, eh?  Inquiring minds wanna' know!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 06:42:20
Message Number  7658

> Of course I don't have a dirty mind....
 
I'm sorry, but if you hang around Turtle, it is /impossible/ to avoid 
"learning" to have a dirty mind!  :) :) :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 06:43:46
Message Number  7659

> Quick!  Someone call 911 (or William Shatner) for me.
 
William Shatner is, in fact, God...  I believe he should do some 
Mountain Dew commercials....
 
"Hello, maybe you don't recgonise me ... I'm God, and I drink Dew..."
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 06:52:54
Message Number  7660

>    }:>
 
Antlers?  That make's you look like a deer ... I really think you'd much
rather have Devil horns!  ]:>  Unless you /want/ to be a deer....
 
"Only Amiga Makes It Possible.  (And Then Crashes)"
===========

From: ICEFALCON           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 11:19:58
Message Number  7661

If you're at all interested in techical innovation, listen to some real
pioneers in modern music instead of the tried-and-true Floyd sound. 
Don't get me wrong, Pink Floyd is great, but the real innovation out
there is with Steve Vai and Depeche Mode.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/14/90 12:03:16
Message Number  7662

Thank you for the reprimand.  I do get carried away - my mouth has got 
me in trouble many times.  To be compared to Archie at one time in my
life would have been a compliment, but I have changed (just a little)
since those days.  You know, all last night I wished I wouldn't have 
typed that.  And, because of a personal situation, I probably won't ever
use that term again.  
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 12:10:11
Message Number  7663

I became a Christian when I was 12 years old; it was the only religion
I had been exposed to.  I have been exposed to other religions over the
years, and I am very happy and satisfied that my beliefs will give me
eternal life after this "life".  I believe it is the true Christian's
obligation to convert non-believers.  I trust Matthew 25:46:"And these
will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal
life."  If I was able, yes, I would try to convert The Specialist, and
you, too!
Here's one for anybody to go with:  Keep in mind that I am an environ-
mentalist.  The careless hunting practices and the destruction of nature
and habitats make me ill.  But, there is a certain irony to this concern
for animals.  While we spend millions of dollars and hours of time to
ensure the continued existence of animals, we fail to do anything about
the eternal destiny of people.  I will continue in my efforts with many
organizations to save the whales, manatees, elephants, etc.; but I would
also like to spend some of my time and energies saving God's human
creatures.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 12:26:38
Message Number  7664

I was really  trying to get The Specialist to respond to how he would
feel or if he would change since he is so dead-set against gays.  This
is not to say I don't appreciate your message.  I have accepted my
sister's choice, maybe because it has been suspected for some time now.
I guess what bothers me is that it is "out of the closet" now, which,
by the way, does not make her happy.  My love for her is genuine, not
conditional, but now she is not happy because some asshole decided to
make her living conditions public - in a very dispicable (sp?) way, I
might add.  I am worried about her, as I think she chose this way becaus
her past experiences with men were not pleasant,in any sense of the
imagination.  I have got past my initial reaction of repugnancy and, as
I have said, I doubt I will make any more slanderous remarks about gays.
When it hits so close to home, the scathing comments hurt more than just
one.  I'm not sure, but I think The Lady hit on this point a week or 2
ago.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 13:15:19
Message Number  7665

:>  Black lace, too....
                       ;>
                          Lacey
.s
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Association    
Date & Time: 08/14/90 13:17:36
Message Number  7666

Bondage and S&M are a bit different, though...I had a boyfriend who was
heavily into S&M, he was constantly wanting to vut me while having sex.
I like light bondage, but when you get into S&M I want out....it's no 
longer fun...there is something about extremely bloody sex I lack an 
interest for.  Lighter forms of S&M and bondage may be fun, but when the
y   get harmful, you get out.
                          The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 13:21:30
Message Number  7668

When I was in my freshman year of high school this guy named Rick
Mattern decided he didn't like my name....my real name, and I was
sitting improperly, he noticed my undergarments, and I became LACEY,
almost instantaneously.  :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Beatlemania    
Date & Time: 08/14/90 15:03:53
Message Number  7669

> /very/ (ahem!) suggestive animation sequences, and a fair amount of 
> violence...
 
  Is there something REALLY subtle about how all this was used? Seems 
from that description, the film would be a good case for the anti-rock 
religious groups...
  But anyway, call me a baby, but I don't like any sickening violence. 
Would the film include any dismemberments or something? Could you please
elaborate on "/very/ suggestive"? All I've heard about the film is 20 
minutes of sex and a meat grinder... I've also seen part of "Another 
Brick In the Wall" (from the movie) on MTV.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 15:54:39
Message Number  7670

Dear Lady,
This is extremely cruel....Im an old man with a weak heart....and an
active imagination. ;>
                  The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Pink Floyd     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 16:00:42
Message Number  7671

"The Wall" (the film) is intense, imaginative, and classic.  The animat-
ed sequences are brilliant.  The entire film is thought provoking and
startling.  "20 minutes of sex and a meat grinder" is obviously a
description from someone who has never seen the film since it makes no
sense in that context (N.S. alert).  There are no scenes of "sickening
violence."  If you havent seen it take the time to watch it.
                                The Yngling
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Commodore      
Date & Time: 08/14/90 16:42:30
Message Number  7672

>Not that you'd know, but Commodore does have a few very entertaining
>games.
 
Why WOULDN'T Turtle, or I, or most of the other people on this board
know?  Several of us have been using Commodore computers since the days
the 64 was introduced (in my case, since the days of the original PET),
even if we've never owned one.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 16:47:37
Message Number  7673

>Gee, don't ya wish you'd
>voted for Mikey Dukaka?
 
(this 'quoting feature' of Telemate's doesn't like systems that don't
have type ahead, no indeed)  EVERYONE should have voted for Michael
Dukakis.  Why?  As Mark Russell said, he was the only candidate whose
name was fun to say.
 
As for Kitty, well, at least she had a mind to lose, which put her a
step or two ahead of Nancy.  Although given a choice between Barbara
Bush and Dan Quayle in the event George kicks the bucket, I wish the
first lady and VP would switch places.  (Make things a little
uncomfortable in the Oval bedroom, though, I suppose.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Mythagoras     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 16:54:14
Message Number  7674

>Now, if I only knew the correct way to pronounce the title I would
>a happy camper.
 
It's not that difficult; the accent is on the second syllable, the first
word is "Myth" and beyond that it's pretty much the way it looks.  Glad
you liked the 'zine.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/14/90 16:57:58
Message Number  7675

> The fall TV schedule /is/ going to suck wombat droppings.
 
Not necessarily.  Every season has its dogs.  The same season that both
"Beauty & the Beast" and "Max Headroom" were on, so was "The Charmings"
and "Full House," which is, sadly enough, the only survivor of the
four (although I don't think it's returning next year).
   At any rate, there could be some interesting stuff turn up, and maybe
it'll even last more than a season (very rare for "genre" shows, alas,
but with non-sf/fantasy series, intelligence /occasionally/ beats the
ratings-game odds and lasts).
===========

From: MAX                 
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Myth #2        
Date & Time: 08/14/90 17:06:30
Message Number  7676

It is two parts; the conclusion just got sent out to Terrie Smith, a
very good comic artist (from several anthology titles and recently the
second issue of "Red Shetland," a Red Sonja babes-with-swords spoof),
who foolishly offered to illustrate the next part if she has time before
the deadline.
   Anyway, glad you liked it -- we're hoping to have issue #3 out by
Necronomicon (toward the end of October), depending on both submissions
and available funds.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: ICEFALCON           
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 17:13:46
Message Number  7677

> ...the real innovation out there is with Steve Vai and Depeche Mode.
 
Hmm.  Steve Vai's music hasn't struck me as terribly innovative, just
technically proficient.  The /real/ innovation would seem, by
definition, to be with people who are trying at least to sound
different.  As far as new groups go, I can't think of that many really
innovative ones, with the exception of Animal Logic.  To varying
degrees, I'd say over the years the Alan Parsons Project, Flock of
Seagulls (the ones Depeche Mode sounds like a disco version of),
ELO, Fleetwood Mac and Pink F. have been pretty innovative, along
with lesser-known groups like Shadowfax, Renaissance, Clannad, Steeleye
Span and the like.  And possibly Jethro Tull and, of course, Roxy Music
and Bryan Ferry.  While I've never been completely sure how innovative
Rush is musically (they vary from extremely imaginative to slightly
annoying), they've certainly got most groups beat lyrically.  But
Steve Vai?  Good guitar player, but he's no Malmsteen.  Or Parsons,
Peart, Fleetwood, Waters, Lynne, Ferry or Sommers.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 17:22:08
Message Number  7678

> While we spend millions of dollars and hours of time to ensure the
> continued existence of animals, we fail to do anything about the
> eternal destiny of people.
 
We're not spending money to ensure animals' "eternal destiny," if by
that you mean something other than continuing to exist in this world
for an indefinite period of time into the future.  And we are most
certainly doing the same thing for the human species; 99% of our
actions are geared towards that goal.  I have often heard people ask,
"How can you care so much about animals and not about humans?"  These
people fail to realize (or choose not to see) that it is not an
either/or situation.  Everyone works towards the preservation of
humankind; some of us have to work to make sure the rest of humanity
doesn't survive in the short term at the expense of the ecosystems.
   The local squawk about the moratorium is a good example of this.
Yes, CRS (the opposing group) is right, it WILL cause the loss of
jobs.  A lot of what they are saying is exaggeration (for instance,
most of our economy is tourist-based, and anyone who believes that
tourists pick their destinations based on the county's rate of growth
has a few screws loose -- the tourist traps and beaches will still be
here regardless), but they're right, the moratorium WILL hurt.  What
they ignore is that the current growth management plan really does
suck as badly as GEO says it does, and the problem won't go away until
actions are taken to protect the remaining environment that DO
"negatively impact" the construction and growth industries.  The longer
we wait, the more urgent the choice will be, and the more damaging it's
going to be when it finally is made.  If we wait until we have no choice
at all, it won't be a very pretty sight.  On some summer days over
Tampa, the sky is as smoggy gray as it is in Los Angeles.  At the
current rate of growth, 10 years from now it'll be that way every day in
Tampa...and you'll be seeing it on hot summer days here.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Real analogs   
Date & Time: 08/14/90 18:39:43
Message Number  7679

>>TSbecause I know what they are really like.
JB>You admitted tht you have never known a homosexual.  Please maintain
JB>a consistent (ie believable) line.
J>
  Ah, I can see that I have to be much more precice in my expressions.
What I meant was that "I know what they do."  I stand corrected.  I mino
A minor point. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real analogs   
Date & Time: 08/14/90 18:57:28
Message Number  7680

T>...depending on the situation, I may just walk up and introduce
T>myself, yes.  I've done it before.  
Manifest bullshit (tm).  I gave you the situation...don't say that "it
depends".
T>Pray tell, what is a homsexual individual "really like"? [I] want to
T>know.
  Oh, please.  You KNOW what they do and what they are like.  And 
"stereotype" is just a fancy word so that you can claim that they 
*don't* all do the same thing.  Hell, doing the same thing is what 
makes them GAY to *start* with!  They all have sexual relations with
a member or thier own gender.  THAT is what makes them all the same.
That's not a stereotype.  Thats a fact.  That is why I find them totally
and utterly disgusting.  Anything I could also list would simply
be a variant of that same theme, and equally disgusting.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:08:02
Message Number  7681

T>I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong. You disagree.  If I were
T>to fail to associat with people who disagree with my beliefs, I would
T>not associate with you.  Is simple, n'est pas?
  Oui.  C'est tres facile.  Mais, you said that if you had no tolerance
for other peoples' views, then you would not associate with me.  But, if
you had no tolerance, you would have no tolerance for gays.  Therefore,
you would agree with me, because I CERTAINLY have no tolerance for them.
C'est tres facile, aussi.  N'es ce pas?
T>Not all bigots are gay bashers.
T> 
 And not all gay bashers are bigots.  You got somethin' ta say?
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: JONBOY              
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:25:05
Message Number  7682

Well I too have "experienced" a little bondage, but I have a little
reservation on whom it was with.....So maybe I just might have a little
"complex" about the Idea again....But I will agree with you that It was
something different....I mean having someone put me in handcuffs tied to
the bed in a very "unique" position was fun having them "force" their
HARD body on me..and poor little ol' me sitting there helpless...(smile)
 
I too AGREE this will be another interesting story that I would like to
explore some more.....Any takers?????
 
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:31:53
Message Number  7683

Lew, I can understand..(yes its hard to think that we can both see the
same), but I can understand what you are going through and I can also
see (and respect BTW), your religious beliefs.....If there is anything
that I may help you try to understand your "little sister's" lifestyle
I would be more than happy to offer an ear to listen or suggestions.
 
Anonominity I can understand and I will honor if you choose to continue
this further.
 
I will leave Email of my Home # if you want to talk.
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Religion       
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:41:18
Message Number  7684

I am curious, what Denomination do you follow?
 
TopGun Strikes Again..... Sysop Of ALTnet BBS
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:54:40
Message Number  7685

>How did you read my e-mail?
 
I didn't read your e-mail.  See message 7519 (Entertainment Media).
 
>...for I'm going to kick your ASS!
 
Ooooh...is that a promise?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/14/90 19:59:59
Message Number  7686

>Actually, your body depends on 15 minutes of exposure a day to create
>the vitamin D that you need
 
I hear that the Apple "Green Screen" has the same results as the sun.
 
>I'd be the last to say that the wood nymph look is out...
 
Okay, you've got me on this.  What look is the wood nymph look?  I've
seen two or three nice lookin' wood nymphs, but what look are /you/
talking about?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 20:02:13
Message Number  7687

>I hope she catches you!
 
Oh, no doubt that she'll catch me.  I imagine she'll be hiding behind
some tree on the first day of school, rocket launcher in hand.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/14/90 20:03:15
Message Number  7688

I'm really pissed at my sister's dog.  He walked (or what passes as
walking for a daushund) into my room and stepped on my poster of Kei &
Yuri. NO ONE DOES THAT TO KEI & YURI!  ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!  Damned demon
dog from hell.  HE SHALL PAY!!!
 
     ...sorry, I get carried away sometimes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/14/90 20:10:42
Message Number  7689

>What are you doing in Gas Stations out in the middle of no where
>reading covers of magazines, eh?  Inquiring minds wanna' know!
 
Waiting for Roy to pay the nice cashier.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 20:14:02
Message Number  7690

>I caught Rufus a LONG time ago! ;>
 
Now you have to grant me my three wishes!
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hello          
Date & Time: 08/14/90 23:14:11
Message Number  7691

Hello It has been sometime. Did you have a good vacation?
Got a question for you now. Is there a good source of information on
the Apple Profile hard disk around about? I have one and I want to
use it for something other than a door stop.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: apple plus     
Date & Time: 08/14/90 23:21:22
Message Number  7692

Rufus (sorry I almost forgot the pen name) I have that Apple Plus for yo
ur use. On the sasme terms as before.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:01:15
Message Number  7695

A response is not necessary, a nice "Hi" would do fine :)
Thanks for the kind words....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Zappa          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:03:09
Message Number  7696

Hey, don't think Zappa is out there to just make a joke with his
music. He jams out (invented the WAH-WAH peddle from what I hear).
Some of his older stuff had some really hot licks in it. Seen him 
twice myself. Even got an original "Freak Out" album and two copies
of "200 Motels" with posters (in both I think). Even got an album 
called Rhinocerous that was a band made up of Flo and Eddie (Mother's
of Invention) before Zappa (Flo and Eddie....big with Billy the Mountain
and The White Album (Penis Demension and stuff...). Broken Hearts are fo
Assholes, Yellow Snow, Help I'm a Rock.....awww, I know 'em all by heart
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:12:27
Message Number  7697

Welp, open dem things in your face called "eyes" if you can't relate to
your post. You referred to (Post #7033) to "how in the hell did you
manage to include bona-fide criminal acts...". My last post, which you
seem to fail to comprihend (maybe read it again), is asking you how
you can judge something on the basis of societies determination of what
is or isn't a "bona-fide criminal act". Maybe I'm loosing you at what
your definition of a "crime" is....well, what is it???? Or is society
making that judgement for you???? I wsas pointing out in my last post,
that some "illegal acts (ie crimes)" are quite STUPID by morale 
standards (at least mine) and the majority of the discussions here are
based on PERSONAL ideas and beliefs, not social ones. If you care to
discuss legal stupidity, well, let us know. And as far as an 
"abomination and crime" that means something you hate which is against
PUBLIC law....huh???? "Crime" itself is a social issue, not a morale 
one. If you wish to follow topics, let's ALL do so. 
  
Oh yeah....my SHIT is quite WELL together!!!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:21:39
Message Number  7698

>influential to someone who has resolved.....simplistic views...etc
  
Well, Mr. I'm-Living-Like-I-Want-To-So-Keep-Your-Views-To-Yourself, 
why then are you so DEFENSIVE about your opinions? I have no quarrel
with anyone questioning mine (in fact, that is the point behind a
good debate), and HEY!!!! have you noticed I haven't made rash, full-
swing judgements against you. I could care less if my beliefs influence
you or anyone else here. I'm voicing MY (yes, my...not THE) opinions
and open to allow everyone to voice theirs. I should hope anyone who
is old enough and mature enough to be diving into BBSing would be stable
enough to NOT be influenced by what is posted by some other user with a
'puter in his face......geeeze, if you think that's what I attempting,
get real.......I don't expect to influence you and I damn well don't
expect you to influence me...but I will hear you out.....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: AJ <TheGUN)    
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:29:35
Message Number  7699

....hmmmmmm, signs of an insecurity about one's self image and/or
beliefs if ya' ask me, Doc.            <snicker>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Moral/Popular  
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:31:32
Message Number  7700

>both gerbilling and high school level lab dissections ARE sick
  
<clap-clap-clap-clap-clap>
  
Okay, now that we aggreed on that, what do we talk about now????
But I do think there are some pissed off rodents out there that would
LOVE to chew a humans intestines to crap from the inside, even if it
was their last act of defiance. And there's a few humans I'd like to
see it done to......
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: continuing...  
Date & Time: 08/15/90 01:54:39
Message Number  7702

   Mulligan appears somewhat disturbed by Rufus' inconsiderately timed
faint.  "Who the hell are you?" he starts to say to Zot, but is cut
off by the repitle's babbling about psionics.  He muttes something under
his breath, then glares at Rufus until it seems the salesman is
nearly coherent.
   "I want to know everything you know about what's going on, and I want
to know it NOW!"
   Rufus blinks.
   "Two murders, illegal weapons, dimensional transients, assassins and
mechanical arms...." Mulligan mutters to himself.  "All at this bar
within 24 hours.  And it's not even late afternoon.  What's next?
Vampires and werewolves?"
---
   "So what do you want me to do about your guests?" Xon says to Wezip
irritably.
   "Just wanted to let you know that they'd be coming, that's all.
I'm hoping I can get the new one to stay here."
   "This isn't a boarding house --"
   "I don't mean stay to sleep," the fox sighs.  "Unless you have --"
   "No."
   "Right.  Well, basically, I'm hoping you can give him a few leads on
where to get some part-time work, that sort of thing... hopefully a
place to stay other than mine as soon as he gets money."
   Xon grunts, heading back towards the more populated end of the bar
to check on	 everyone's drinks and food.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:05:35
Message Number  7703

I BEG YOUR PARDON??? Since when does Turtle have a dirty mind? Black
Magic is quite capable of having a dirty mind without /my/ assistance,
thank you very much!
 
...besides, I don't usually preach to the converted.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Stacey         
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:07:26
Message Number  7704

>"Hello, maybe you don't recognise me ... I'm God, and I drink Dew..."
 
I /like/ that. I'm not convinced that William Shatner is the person to
be doing it, though...perhaps Clint Eastwood would be more appropriate.
All he has to do is squint, and he's the spitting image of God. Same
squint, same (lack of) hair... Hey, Clint...God...Clint...you don't
suppose...??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ICEFALCON           
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:10:14
Message Number  7705

Real pioneers in modern music...Steve Vai...yabbidabbidabbidabbida....
Don't DO that to me, dude! You trying to kill me or what? Good thing
I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. Steve Vai may be technic-
ally very, very good, but he's hardly the most innovative force to
sweep rock and roll since the Beatles were still pupae...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:15:25
Message Number  7706

I can understand that you believe you've found the Truth with a
capital T, but you should bear in mind that faith alone is not enough
to convince anyone else that your Truth has any validity. I think
your intentions are good, but I don't really think you have considered
the fact that for all your conviction there is a very real possibility
that you are wrong. I also don't think you realize how arrogant it
sounds for you to say that you want to "save" people who don't believe
the way you do, as if you know God from personal experience and he
himself faxed you his personal plans for mankind just yesterday after
dinner. I don't see anything in your religion that's particularly
convincing; in fact , I would say that some of its major tenants are
very dubious. The idea that Jesus dies on the cross for man's sins makes
no theological or philosophical sense; the need for God to judge man
is not filled by an act of man against God, no matter how appropriate
a "perfect sacrifice" seems. This entire idea would have philosophical
validity only if the person who died on the cross had done so by God's
hand, not man's, neh? 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Lacey          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:26:27
Message Number  7707

And Lacey shalt thou be until the end of thy days. And thou shalt be
called many other things too, like "Stacey," and thou shalt walk in
lace, and lace shall be thy raiments. Surely unto the very Ends of the
Earth shalt thou be known by thy vestments.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:38:51
Message Number  7708

A bigot is one who judges other people, as a group, based on a single
aspect of those people. A gay basher judges all gays based solely
on their sexual preference. A gay basher, therefore, is a bigot.
 
The point I was trying to make is this: You and I disagree. If I hated
everyone with whom I disagreed, I would not put up with you. It is
possible to have no toleration for dissenting views while still
tolerating homosexuality.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:44:01
Message Number  7710

BM>...for I'm going to kick your ass.
R> Ooooh...is that a promise?
 
Rufus, dude! You've been hanging out with the wrong element again,
haven't you?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Kei & Yuri     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 02:45:48
Message Number  7711

>NO ONE DOES THAT TO KEI & YURI!
 
Yeah, but some people spend six hours undressing 'em. (Results available
in the download area; no pushing, shoving, or cutting in line. Offer
void where prohibited.)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Three's Bimbos 
Date & Time: 08/15/90 03:13:45
Message Number  7712

Roy?  Roy?  Roy?  Oh ya.... ROY!  Okay ... I know now ... did you have 
fun with Roy an Mark?  You shoulda' brought more people along!  :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: VH-1           
Date & Time: 08/15/90 03:16:30
Message Number  7713

That is true ... I do believe that Black Magic had a dirty mind WAY
before you got involved with her!  ;)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: WILLIAM SHATNER     
Subject: Hi!            
Date & Time: 08/15/90 03:19:31
Message Number  7714

You know, God ... I know you drink Dew, and I wish *I* could drink
Dew, but my parent's just won't get it for me ... Some things never 
change ... U know what else is screwy?  I have this real cool BBS called
The Armdaillo Connection BBS (Yes, I know The Armadillo is 2nd in line
after the Aardvark for God's favorite creatures...) that real neet peopl
like The Specialist, Angel, Black Magic, and Snakebye aren't calling!  I
mean, I've gor FurNet echos ... National chatter echos ... Toons 'N'
Morphs ... Turtle's Warped Zone ... and even a game ... What else could
anyone want?  Will you zap the message into 'em!?
 
THE ARMADILLO CONNECTION RAS
813/378-2218   * Sarasota, Fl *
300/1200/2400 Baud
-[ An MSTF and FurNet Member System ]-
 
(Fido 1:137/111)    (CandyNet 42:1003/2)
 
Call It!  (Pleeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeee!?!?!?!?!?)
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 05:56:15
Message Number  7715

Mike Dukaka - a vocabulary in search of a cogent thought. I propose 
that the most famous and libereral Jesse and the most famouse and
conservative Jesse be locked up together. I'm sure two great statesman
like that would have some deep meaningful conversations and be able
to reach the compromises necessary to help America stride in the 
21st century. Or they'd kill one another, and that'd be ok tool
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: fall tv        
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:00:43
Message Number  7716

I thought the fall scedule looke good - football and STNG on Sunday,
then don't turn the damn thing on for the rest of the week.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: dumb questions 
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:08:55
Message Number  7717

what's the saying - the only dumb question is the one that didn't get
asked? I have four different decompression programs includeing all
the PK stuff on one 720K disk, so size shouldn't be a problem. I
like to edit all the device drivers, read.me's, ads, update docs and 
anything not pertinent to what I'm gonna use.
  No reason to feel dumb - I was asking the same questions not to
long ago.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:15:46
Message Number  7718

Six months ago my daughter was infatuated with one of the Nukids. He's
catholic, cleancut, rich and unreachable. Now she's infatuated with
the 13 year old dweeb down the street. He's an atheist, doesn't seem
to shower much, she has more money than him(I mean allowance) and is
far too reachable to suit me. While I abhor the music, the nukids to
provide a wholesome alternative to a lot of the garbage in the world.
Yes, they're extremely immature, but kids are supposed to be immature.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:20:44
Message Number  7719

I forgot - my main point is that I prefered it when my daughter 
liked the unreachable guy.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:28:26
Message Number  7720

Hey, Danny's gonna be a good veep when he grows up. George is gonna
dump him for Jack Kemp in '92 - ya heard it here first.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: MAX                 
Subject: moritorium     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 06:31:54
Message Number  7721

Ya, some very good points have been raised by GEO. Their intentions 
are good, but their methods leave a lot to be desired. As one who
would be unemployed in the event of a moritorium, I'm forced to 
oppose a group with whom I'm in agreement in many areas.
  The best scenario - the moritorium referendum is soundly defeated,
but so is Jean McElmurry. Get Elling Eide on the the county commission, 
and start compromising. If Ford and company could actually sit down
with the CRS people and start working on real management plans we'd
start moving forward economicly and environmentaly. Once again, if the
same energy expended in the fight was directed towards R&D and real
solutions, we could have licked it by now. I could go on and on, but
I gotta get to work while I still have a job.
    Vote NO on September 4.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 11:45:30
Message Number  7722

>...same season..."Max Headroom"..."Beauty and the Beast"..."Th
Charmings"..."Full House".
 
   I could have sworn those shows were on different seasons. I think 
"Max Headroom" and "The Charmings" were on in 1987, and "Beauty and the 
Beast" and "Full House" were on in 1988. Also, "Full House" has not been
cancelled.
 
===========

From: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Insecurity     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 13:13:55
Message Number  7724

SB<....hmmmm, signs of an insecurity about one's self image and/or
SB<beliefs if ya' ask me, Doc.        <snicker>
 
Well, for starters, I am NOT insecure, nor am I confused, at least not
about myself...I am curious though what makes you think you are "secure"
...tables turned now.
 
TopGun Strikes Again.....
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:03:22
Message Number  7725

> ...if you had no tolerance, you would have no tolerance for gays.
 
This obviously isn't true.  I have no tolerance for lima beans and
country music, but that doesn't mean that I have no tolerance for
anything else.  Something that has apparently never occurred to you is
the concept that it's possible to like a homosexual/bisexual person
without approving of that aspect of their personality.
 
I think I can say safely that I've known a lot more homosexual and
bisexual people than you have (or at least been aware of their sexual
orientation) and I can state for a fact that the "stereotype" of all
gay males as lisping pantywaists or gay females as butch bikers isn't
true.  Yes, I've met one or two lisping pantywaists.  A friend of mine
in California who moved out there specifically to live with another man
(whom he now hates, but that's a different story), on the other hand,
used to go around with his girlfriend through the seedier parts of Tampa
looking for skinheads to beat up.  He's pretty good with knives now,
since he's been in over a hundred knife fights.  And he's as far away
from your stereotype as you can get.  The first homosexual female I met,
on the other hand, had a lot more in common with Paulina Poriskova than
she did with the "Roseanne Barr in leather" image.
   I also noticed you didn't respond to my plea to actually THINK about
what I'm saying.  I know that it is, truly, easier to rant than to ask
serious questions about your preconceptions and prejudices, but it is
disappointing to see someone as intelligent, and usually reasonable, as
you are refuse to consider the possibility that you might be wrong on
this point.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:18:06
Message Number  7726

Dating an athiest isn't so bad.  As for the New Kids, "wholesome" they
may be, but let's face it, they make the Monkees' "work" on the original
TV show (before it got cancelled and they tried, albeit with mixed
success, to become a real rock group) look scintillatingly innovative.
Would't /thoughtful/ alternatives to "the garbage in the world" be
better?  New Kids songs are still about puppy love and/or puppy lust,
and challenging the pop icon of a great love life as the ultimate height
of existence would occur to Paula Abdul and George Michael long before
Donnie and Joe ever get a clue.  Even Donny Osmond stopped singing that
sort of stuff (and stopped looking like a smurf who shops at Chess
King); if Donny Osmond can get a life, there's no excuse for the New
Kids.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THRUD               
Subject: moritorium     
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:25:32
Message Number  7727

I still haven't figured out whether Eide is as brilliant as you can get
in local politics or he's a basket case.
   I don't think an acceptable compromise can ever be reached with CRS.
Despite their name, they aren't "Citizens For Responsible Solutions,"
they're "Developers Against the Moratorium."  They've spent an amazing
amount of money telling us why the moratorium is a bad idea, to the
point of wild exaggeration (their budget is literally thirty times that
of GEO's, so they can afford to) -- but they haven't come up with any
alternative, except "Give APOXSEE a chance."
   APOXSEE's big claim to fame is "concurrency," the idea that you can't
build in an area until a public utilities infrastructure is in place.
Fine.  Tell me how this is supposed to protect the environment?  It
means that when you knock all the trees down and destroy the ecosystem,
you're doing it to build the roads and lay pipes first and THEN put up
the buildings instead of the other way 'round.
   I don't know what's going to come of the moratorium proposal, but if
it's defeated (which I expect it will be), it won't go away.  To stop
growth to a point where it'll have any measurable effect on the ecology,
there will have to be a conscious choice for the environment when the
question "Which is more important, maintaining the status quo for growth
industries or protecting our natural resources?" -- and this will mean
that some people will be adversely affected.
   As for how long you (or anyone else) has, Swiftmud has estimated (but
not publicized) that the water table in the Tampa Bay area, given the
present rate of consumption combined with the present rate of growth, is
likely to be unusable by the turn of the century.  Token water
restrictions notwithstanding, there's a small but real chance you won't
get anything the next time you turn on your tap.  If growth isn't slowed
drastically ASAFP, EVERYONE'S in trouble, not just builders.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:35:46
Message Number  7728

Both Max Headroom and the Charmings lasted into the season that Beauty
& the Beast premiered in; I remember when Max was on Friday nights at
10, right after B&tB at 9 (albeit on different channels).
   Full House hasn't been cancelled? I'm sorry to hear that.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:46:50
Message Number  7729

I'm utterly speechless at your kindness.  I am trying to deal with this
on my own, mainly because nobody else wants to discuss it - you know,
some things make people uncomfortable to talk about.  That is why your
message means a lot to me.  Since we don't know each other, I prefer
anonominity.  I just received a letter from my sis which she wrote on
Sunday - after she knew I knew - and there was not word one about "it".
She, too, seems hesitant to discuss it now.  Is this good?  I love her
very much and am so concerned.  I feel better now that I am past MY
feelings and am now concentrating on hers.  I am sure that she liked
it when it was "in the closet" - should I just let her TRY to put it 
back in there?  Thank you very, very much for your understanding and
support.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Religion       
Date & Time: 08/15/90 15:53:43
Message Number  7730

Currently, I am attending a brethren church.  I grew up attending and
being a member of the Congregational Christian Church, and attending a
First Brethren Church with my grandmother on occasion.  I have also
attended a Lutheran (due to first marriage "obligations", although I
only put up with that for about 3 months!), a Baptist, and a First
Methodist.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 16:03:01
Message Number  7731

To each his own, then.....................
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: THRUD               
Subject: discsize       
Date & Time: 08/15/90 17:55:25
Message Number  7732

How many k on a 5 1/4" floppy?
===========

From: SUNTAN              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: zips           
Date & Time: 08/15/90 17:59:24
Message Number  7733

I'll try it and let you know..........tx
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 20:36:39
Message Number  7734

> Max was on Friday nights at 10...
 
  Nope, Max Headroom aired in three spots. Tuesday at 10 PM for six 
weeks in mid-'87, Friday at 9 PM for ten weeks, and Thursday at 8 PM in
mid-'88.
 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/15/90 20:40:23
Message Number  7735

 
  An addendum to the last message: the mid-88 run on Thursday night was 
only for two weeks.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 22:04:26
Message Number  7736

>Rufus, dude! You've been hanging out with the wrong element again,
>haven't you?
 
Damn, caught in the act.  That Francium, nothing but trouble.  My mom
warned me to stay away from the alkali metals, but nooooo, I didn't 
listen.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:15:57
Message Number  7738

Yes, you are right.  I have descended into name calling again.  If I 
have offended anyone on the board by my rudeness to BM, then, my 
apologies and a sincere promise that I won't do it again.
  
Homosexuality is sick.  That's my opinion.  God, everybody knows it, 
I'm sick of trying to defend it.  Let's drop it and just let me have
my opinion.  Feel pity for me if it'll make you feel better (hell, I kno
know that I'll feel that for you all for NOT believing that).
  
P.S. To discourage any replies to this message, let me clarify one line
above-"everybody knows it", meaning that they know my opinion.  Just do 
me a favor...don't introduce any to me.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Something else 
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:22:34
Message Number  7739

Y>...at windmills, bud.
Uh-huh.
Y>...quit...storyboard because...
Virus, huh?  Drag.  I hope you made it through ok....
Y>...read Heinlein's "Grumbles...
No, that's one I *haven't* read!  Where did you get it?  Can I borrow
it?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:31:27
Message Number  7740

JB>So i'm sneaky...now you know.
JB>
   Yes, but it is an admirable trait, sometimes.   I can appreciate a
good sneak. (As in verb, not noun.)  
 
  That's why I like cats...that and the fact they are very independent.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: not guitars    
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:34:02
Message Number  7741

JB>Quit using ...to mask a bigoted brain.
  
Ok.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: OOps!          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:35:17
Message Number  7742

JB>Let's play gay poker where .... You'd lose, I'm afraid.
JB>
   Fine.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Bias in bias   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:37:12
Message Number  7743

JB>...you...are rapidly regressing to the infantile state.  ...I'm
JB>suprised that the weight of reason hasn't pooped you out yet.
JB>
   I could continue to argue with "reason" until we wore Turtle's 
disks out.  Your "reason" has made no effect on me, I retain my opinion.
I am not going to argue with you about it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:44:25
Message Number  7744

Um hmm.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Really placid  
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:49:59
Message Number  7745

You have met gay people and didn't know it.  I have met gay people and
DID know it.  (Hell, he propositioned a freind of mine, who is 
DEFINATELY not gay.)  I am (I think) a little older than you, and 
possibly more well travelled. I have met gays who I could tell were gay.
(And people who I didn't know if they were gay, but who acted the 
stereotype of gay.)
  
Beatle, I'm not going to argue this point with you any more.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:55:06
Message Number  7746

Hmmm...quite a coincidence.  What do you make of it? 
(Beatles...lightning...KLUE)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/15/90 23:59:38
Message Number  7747

B>And people who pay [big money for shoes because they're in fashion and
B>get expensive Reebox for doing nothing]
B>
  Hear, hear...bash the Yuppie scum.  Trash thier imported junk!
And let me add...I resent the Bolleteri larvae too.  Who the hell are
they to laugh at me?  No, I don't wear bright orange & pink shorts..
or idolize Andre' Agaussi.  He plays tennis...so what?
  
  
(And if you think I'm jealous of thier money...you're damn right!)
  
  
*sigh*  Oh, well....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Gun control    
Date & Time: 08/16/90 00:08:21
Message Number  7748

<Excerpt from 'Toons for Our Times, BLOOM COUNTY, Berke Breathed>
  
[Frame one-Man dressed in overalls standing in front of Milo, at the
Bloom County Beacon]
Country man - "I'M HER TO ARTICOOLATE MY VIEWS WITH THIS LETTER TO THE
EDITOR ON GUN CONTROL.  [Holds up paper]
[Next frame]
Country man - "LEMME TELL YA...OO!...WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY 
OUTLAWS WILL BE KILLING PEOPLE...'CAUSE GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...PEOPLE
KILL GUNS. FROM OUTLAWS."  [Milo takes paper]
[Third frame...man shaking clenched fists]
Country man - "THOSE *@#! ANTI-GUN NUTS...OO!  THEY JUST...OO!  I'LL 
TELL YA SOMETHIN'...OO...MY CONSTITUTIONAL...OO...THEY REALLY...SELF-
DEFENSE!" [Milo reading paper]
[Fourth frame]
Country man - "Anyways...it's all there in the letter."
Milo - "Verbatim."
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 00:32:09
Message Number  7749

...huh?  I don't get it....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/16/90 00:34:44
Message Number  7750

KO>"They're the newest sensation since the Beatles.  They're New Kids on
KO>The Block!" -- People magazine commercial...
  
Oh, how low!  What an insult!  I don't idolize the Beatles but the 
worst of the "drivel" that they sang puts NKOTB's (NFOTB's) best to 
shame!  
  
  
(Actually, I don't know why I feel so outraged...other than the fact 
that they all wear makeup and are so SICKENINGLY poppy I should have 
nothing against NKOTB.  But they should never have compared them and 
the Beatles!  Bon Jovi, maybe...or Rick Ashley.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Rights?        
Date & Time: 08/16/90 00:47:41
Message Number  7751

grrrr.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 00:57:07
Message Number  7752

*sigh*...I still don't get it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: XTEVE               
Subject: coprocessors   
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:06:03
Message Number  7753

So, did you tell Charles that I sent you?  By the way, sorry about your 
hard card...maybe we can work out a deal on a hard drive...gimme a call
at my work.  Allied Computer Systems.
  Great...I can use as many ORCAD drivers as I can get my little greedy
hands on...
  
                  - an ORCAD greedy Specialist...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: New f...       
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:16:00
Message Number  7754

KO>But at least there's Dave to save us all!  <grin>
KO>
   Huh?  Not any more....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:20:25
Message Number  7755

You crack me up.   Well, I'm probably going to drop that thread,
anyway...I haven't changed my mind, just have figured out that these
people can't be helped.  *sigh* oh, well. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Faith          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:22:44
Message Number  7756

I have no faith.  Turtle remarked to me that an agnostic could be 
influenced by a monotheistic belief.  Ok, so I probably am.  Yet, 
I feel that something (not 'things') had to come first...like, who
created Turtle's 'gods'?  
Actually, I have read very little Bible...but I don't see the point of
wasting my time on something which I am not convinced about in the 
first place.  Kind of circular reasoning there, but then it's circular
to want to read it, too.  "I want to know, therefore I'm willing to 
believe this."  That doesn't prove anything.
  No, I don't like to believe anything that hasn't been proven to me.
Proof.  I NEED proof.   I will accept circumstancial evidence, 
occasionally.  But even that has to be verified in some manner.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:30:15
Message Number  7757

Wow, Lew...man, I really feel for you.  Honestly.  I don't know.  I 
really don't know.  My own sister?  Yes, I'd be really upset, too. 
I guess that you really can't "disown" your own sister...I would have 
to just deal with it, I guess.  I would treat it like any other 
disease...not condone, but not condemn.  
   She needs help...that much is clear.  You can't help her by yourself.
  
I'm sure that NAME would reccomend prayer.  That's the neat thing 
about religion; you can pray and God will take care of it..."It's in
God's hands now..."
   
  
Sounds wierd, I'm sure, that I would tell you to pray, but, hell, I can'
can't think of anything else to tell you.  Just be cool, and don't get
too upset.  Take it easy...you'll be alright.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SUNTAN              
Subject: ZIP/ARC        
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:44:54
Message Number  7758

Do you have a Phone # I can call you at by voice?  I would like to speak
with you about Zipping & Arcing.  Maybe I can help you with your 
situation.
  
  If you need references, ask Xteve!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ICEFALCON           
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:55:35
Message Number  7759

Ah, a fresh viewpoint!  Depesh Mode is great, but what is Steve Vai?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 01:58:16
Message Number  7760

BL>...like to spend some of my time and energies saving Gods human
BL>creatures.
BL>
    Thank you!  Even though I won't get 
(GRR) saved, I appreciate the thought.  I hope you are looked upon 
favorably by your God.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:05:11
Message Number  7761

M>EVERYONE should have voted for Michael Dukakis.
M>
  Wrong.  Bush is not much better, but the difference is the difference
between getting clubbed to death and getting injected with poison (with
Mikey as the clubbing)...Bush still comes out on top.  Reminds me of a
joke...
  
  Man jogging in the park (before the Bush/Dupa election) gets accosted
by a man with a handgun.
  "Who you would you rather have as president?" the hood growls.
  The jogger shifts nervously, not answering.
  "Who do you want, Dukakis or Bush?!"  the man points the gun.
  The jogger makes a face, and then lowers his head.  "Go ahead and 
shoot."
 
  Besides, that incompetent cowardly liberal would never have taken the
stand that Bush has on that maniac in Iraq...he'd have backed down. 
But, that's a liberal for you...take the easy way out.  Never mind if 
we look like cowards.  We'll get over it.  After all...who's gonna 
invade us?  (Not that we'll fight back if they do....)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: S & M          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:18:52
Message Number  7762

SICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICkSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICK
SICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKSICKISKCISCKISCKISCKSICKSICKSICK
  
  Look, AJ, you disgusting freak, we all know that you are proud of your
defect.  It turns my stomach to know what you do without you taking 
the time to describe it in detail.  
  
   I can practically HEAR your LISP when you post.  Especially when
you make a special effort to describe your "HARD" sexual partner.  I
have met you face to face, and I find it difficult to believe that you
could find a decent looking male sexual partner much less one of those
"hardbody" types you find on the covers of magazines laying around your
room.  
 
  B&D is pretty kinky to start with.  Add homosexuality, and I'm 
suprised that you haven't been struck dead by lightning.   And then you
have the AUDACITY to want to TELL us about it!  You can take that e
experience and...but then you'd probably enjoy that, too! 
  
  Oh, you're so sick!  Just...arrgh!  Disgusting!  Repugnant!  AUGH!
  
  
  This is a vote "no"...don't discuss your B&D experience....  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: My last post   
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:31:14
Message Number  7763

 Hey, everybody (
Hey, everybody ('cept AJ) I apologise for that last post...I was trying
not to do that...but when I saw that message from AJ...URRRGGH.  It 
just gets to me.  As a matter of fact. O
(you can see I'm still a little irate) As a matter of fact, I am 
trying to drop this HOMO thread.  Mind you, I haven't changed my mind, 
I'm just tired of trying to prove my point.  Besides, everybody is sick
of the issue, anyway....
  
                       A contrite Specialist
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Profile        
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:41:05
Message Number  7764

As for technical stuff, ask Turtle.  His roomie has one.  As for 
DOS or ProDOS aspects, ask Rufus.  He's pretty good with ProDOS.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Defective...   
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:49:35
Message Number  7765

I am a bigot.  Period.
T>It is possible to have no toleration for dissenting views while still
T>toleraing homosexuality.
  Yes, but that's not what you said. You said "no" tolerance.  You see,
...ah, screw it.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:56:05
Message Number  7766

Lemme get this straight (tm)...you want the NFOTB to present an image
for all teens to follow?  
  Now, that IS perverse!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: AJ-<TOPGUN>-        
Subject: Insecurity     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 02:59:16
Message Number  7767

AJ>...I am NOT insecure,
  No, just too "shy" to go out with the RIGHT sex
AJ>nor am I confused, at least not about myself
  No? Then you just can't figure out who does the screwing and of what..
AJ>...I am curious though what makes you think you are "secure"
  Maybe because he's not screwed up in his head?  Maybe because he's
normal?
AJ>...tables turned now.
  Pathetic. <tsk, tsk>  Pathetic.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: tolerance      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 03:08:57
Message Number  7768

Let me define something for you and Turtle.  The word "no" as an 
adjective.  No=none.  No apples, means you haven't got any apples.
UNDERSTOOD?
 Good.  Let us continue.
  
  No tolerance means no tolerance.  For anything.  He didn't say,
"limited tolerance", niether did he say, "selective tolerance",
he said NO tolerance.  UNDERSTAND?
  Good.  Let us continue.   (Stop me if you don't understand something.)
  
  He said that if he had "NO TOLERANCE" that he would not associate with
me.  BUT...if he had no tolerance, then he would have no tolerance for
gays, because he would have NO TOLERANCE for anything.  Is this a rough
point?  Understand?  (Like I said, stop me if I've lost you....)
  To continue... 
  
  I said that if he had no tolerance, then we would agree so,
so, saying that he would not associate with me would be wrong, because
we would be agreed.  So, he would associate with me, because we would
be in agreement.  (Am I making this simple enough?)  We would be in 
agreement because I have no tolerance for gays, and so would he, in
that case. 
  
  THIS was the entire point of my JOKE, yes, it was supposed to be a
joke...you both took it entirely too seriously....
  
  
And I did consider your plea.  I am not wrong.  End of statement.
I will not debate perverse/not perverse with you any more.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/16/90 03:37:48
Message Number  7769

Did I tell you what a great story that was in Mythagoras?  I really 
enjoyed it.  You really are a superb writer.  I can't wait for the
rest. 
  
  Hmm...but there is one thing that's been nagging at my mind.  I have 
heard you condemn beastiality...because of the abuse of the beast.  If
you were the character in the story you wrote, tell me...could you have
sexual relations with Reli?  After all, she would be a consenting 
partner, yet she would still be a beast.  
  
  Of course, I probably could understand, either way...with a body 
like Kim Basinger's (merely covered with fur) I could be sorely 
tempted to re-examine my views.  I think that I would be more interested
in her DNA pattern...could children result?  How many pairs does she
have and what are the differences?  Ah, speculation....
  
And one more question...is she longhair or shorthair...and does she 
shed?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Hmmm.          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 03:45:47
Message Number  7770

  I had written a nasty note, but I decided to delete it after Max
interceded in our (rapidly worsening) arguement.  I am not going to
discuss (or argue) anything concerning Homosexuality with you anymore.
  
  You can be very melodramatic, you know that?  (Not critisism, just an 
observation.)  How about if we calm down and call an armistice on this
gay issue?  
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: *.*                 
Subject: \_/            
Date & Time: 08/16/90 03:52:41
Message Number  7771

Crispan played with his empty bottle.  No one seemed to be paying much
attention to him, for which he was greatful.  They might have thought
he was having a heart attack a few minutes ago, though the casual 
observer probably would have attributed it to the proximity of the
bomb detonation.  He was sure however, that there had been massive 
mental energy expended close to him because the sensation of it was like
a shotgun (do these people even know what that is?) going off in his
head.
  He looked up, past the haze of lingering pain, and watched the on-
going events.  Mulligan was evidently perterbed about Rufus
fainting, and probably more perturbed by the sudden appearance of a
personna non-grata working on his only witness.
  Crispan debated telling the Captain that he was a special operative,
but decided that could wait until the Captain was a little less 
occupied.  Or at least until this headache went away.
  He raised his hand.  "Xon?  Xon?  Could I please have some pain 
killer?  My ears are still ringing..." So, what the hell WAS a phago-
pyschic index, anyway?  Hmmm. Phago-PSYCHIC?  Nah...still....
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From: KEN OBER            
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 04:45:30
Message Number  7772

> But kids are supposed to be immature ....
 
The problem is, most of these "kids" are in their early 20s!
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 04:53:04
Message Number  7773

Beatle .... Max and Turtle are the sum of all /useful/ knowledge, and
even some /useless/ knowledge ... But you, in fact, are the sum of all
/useless/ knowledge about Television and Movies known to man!  :)
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From: KEN OBER            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/16/90 04:57:30
Message Number  7774

> bash the Yuppie scum....
 
Hold it!  You're allowed to bash Gays ... You're allowed to bash Nuke 
Kids, but watch the Yuppie bashing!!!!!!!!!  :)
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From: KEN OBER            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New fags on... 
Date & Time: 08/16/90 05:00:15
Message Number  7775

And not to mention the fact that one of the NKOTB is a fag.....
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From: KEN OBER            
To: *.*                 
Subject: What I Need....
Date & Time: 08/16/90 05:06:58
Message Number  7776

Hey all, I'm looking for a DB-23 (Like the 25-Pin RS-232 type, just 1
column less....) connector ... Not an entire cable ... Just a connector.
 
If anyone comes across one, please tell me ... tanks...
 
Oh, BTW, Specialist, You asked the question to Max concerning Travelling
Music on my board ... And there is a reply waiting there (If it hasen't
scrolled by yet...)  <hint>  <hint>
 
-TRR-
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From: THRUD               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 06:02:54
Message Number  7777

Ghods! The last thing I want to do is defend Jordan Knight and his
band of traveling pimples. Especially now, cause my coffee pot refuses
to work and I'm drinking my wife's instant decaf <gag>. However, each
generation seems to despise the music of following generations, and 
each new generation strives to make their's as different from their 
parents as possible. My grandmother did not approve of my mothers 
infatuation with Frank Sinatra. Then she went bugshit when Elvis
came along. Damn few mothers encouraged their daughters to fall
for Paul McCartney. And what about the poor souls who had the 
misfortune to be teenagers when the BeeGees and John Revolta were
hot? I am not comparing musical talant here - 'cause each generation
will determine their own taste. What I'm saying is that silly little
girls will fall for whatever "greatest new sensation" comes along.
I have thought of locking my daughter in her room and making her
listen to Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull til she sees the light, but  I
don't think it will help, anymore than when my father sneered at
my Zepplin and Yes tunes way back when. Hopefully, NKOTB will go the 
same way as the BeeGees and ....um......can anyone think of some big
disco stars? 
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From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: dog            
Date & Time: 08/16/90 11:04:49
Message Number  7778

Yuppie bashing, it's not just for breakfast.
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From: RUFUS               
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 11:06:01
Message Number  7779

>I have thought of locking my daughter in her room and making her
>listen to Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull til she sees the light...
 
Well, why don't ya do it?  I've been thinking of doing that to my
sister, but she's never around.  She's a Janet Jackson fan, not to
mention she and her boyfriend both listen to...ugh...rap.  Of course, my
dad puts down anything I listen to.  He likes making up (and singing)
yodel-operas.  NOT A PRETTY SOUND!
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From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: OPINIONS       
Date & Time: 08/16/90 11:38:48
Message Number  7780

I crack YOU up?  Interesting.....I'm disappointed in your messages today
lots of one-liners!  Are you pouting?  I doubt it, but don't.  You are
one of the reasons I log on to this board.  Ralph Waldo Emerson keenly
observed, "In every man there is something of which I may learn of him,
and in that he is my teacher."  I believe that and I think it is true
even in our worst critics.  You may be prejudiced and may (I said MAY)
miss the mark by overstating your case.  Your remarks may arouse a
natural antagonism (as Turtle's did to me yesterday,BTW).  Yet most
of your messages contain more than a grain of truth.  Maybe criticism
should remind us all that PERHAPS our actions and motives do not appear
as pure and worthy to  others as we think they are (after some contem-
plation last night, I think that is what was directed at me yesterday).
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From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Gays           
Date & Time: 08/16/90 11:49:57
Message Number  7781

Thank you for your words of comfort.  Now I know you're human - you
have feelings, too.  My heart is broken over this - how in the world
could she?  I have prayed, of course, and I do find it odd that you
would recommend it.  I guess you also understand that we find solace
in that (we meaning "believers").  I know I'LL be alright, but will
my little sis?  nope.
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From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Truth          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 11:55:04
Message Number  7782

Ahhhhhhhhh, but you might - someday.  Never say never (oh, you didn't!)
See, I might be praying for you, too.  But, in all due respect, I don't
in the same breath as for my sis - I KNOW that might upset you!  Hey,
my sense of humor is coming back............
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From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Innovation     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 13:55:04
Message Number  7785

 
> what is Steve Vai?
 
  If I'm correct, then I believe he's a heavy metal guitarist.
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From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 14:03:37
Message Number  7788

> But you, in fact, are the sum of all /useless/ knowledge about 
> Television and movies known to man!  :)
 
  Well, that's a quite an exaggeration, but I am proud of my store of 
useless knowlege (and you must admit I have a pretty fair storage of 
useful knowledge!)
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From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: some thoughts  
Date & Time: 08/16/90 14:09:42
Message Number  7789

  Well, the lazy days of summer are almost over (back to school soon, 
bummer)... I was just sitting here flipping through the useless programs
on our 50 channels of cable TV, and a couple thoughts occurred durring 
commercials.
  First of all, I saw a commercial for a program called MS-DOS Literacy 
that you could order. Isn't "MS-DOS Literacy" a contradiction in terms??
  Then, I saw the red haired guy who does the Montgomery Ward ads... I
wonder if he ever looks back on his carrer and wonders. I mean, he was 
kissing  Michelle Pfifer 12 years ago on a cancelled TV series, and look
where she is. He's doing Montgomery Ward ads... 
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From: MAX                 
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 15:04:00
Message Number  7790

All right, then I had the two (B&tB and Max) reversed in their time
slots -- B&tB came on at 10.  I could have sworn it was the other way
around, though; I believe both Miami Vice and Dallas were on at 10, and
Dallas was /after/ B&tB -- and Max was competing with both M.V. and
the ten-gallon soap opera for ratings (in fact, there was a reference to
that in the last regularly-aired episode, after they learned they had
been cancelled).
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 15:10:31
Message Number  7791

I have no idea whether or not Dukakis would have "backed down".  The
idea of liberals that most conservatives have is truly more offbase
than the idea of conservatives that most liberals have.  They are
supposed to be political ideals, not ways of life; this country was
founded in a liberal tradition.  In fact, the founding fathers were, by
the standards of the time, radically left-wing.  Yet obviously they
weren't afraid to fight.
 
Don't paint the US involvement with Irag in glorious "defending the
world" colors.  If we hadn't gone over there, it wouldn't have been
backing down, because we weren't attacked.  We're there to defend
economic interests -- nothing more, nothing less.  I suspect Dukakis
would have sent in troops, as well, since they are there to be a
deterrent.  Bush doesn't particularly want to use them, either; it
doesn't take a liberal to be worried about involving U.S. troops in
a war that isn't ours after Vietnam.
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: tolerance      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 15:17:13
Message Number  7792

> I am not wrong.
 
Yes, you are.  You quite obviously didn't consider my plea for a
minute.
    I can understand your reticence to continue the thread.  But through
the entire thing you have never ONCE defended your belief that it's
wrong to associate with homosexuals and bisexuals on the grounds of
their sexual preference.  You've made it abudantly clear that you don't
LIKE their sexual preference, yes, and that you think the act(s) in
question is sick.  I've come to the conclusion that you CAN'T defend
this part of your argument.  It's more comfortable to drop the
discussion, blaming everyone ELSE, after you realize you're in a logical
dead-end.  It's much easier to hide your head in the sand than allow
the possibility that YOU might be wrong.
 
> I will not debate perverse/not perverse with you any more.
 
That ISN'T WHAT I'M DEBATING with you.  It HASN'T been what I'm debating
with you for a very long time.  What I am debating are your reasons for
deciding that, say, a friend whom you've known for quite some time and
like a great deal becomes a leper outcast unclean if you discover he's
bisexual.  I'm not talking about ACTS, I'm talking about PEOPLE.  I
don't like the ACT either.  Some of the people who do it, I happen to
like very much.  Some of them you might like, too, but you wouldn't be
willing to give them a chance, even knowing that they weren't going to
make a "pass" at you or act like a Saturday Night Live caricature of a
gay person.  THAT'S what I've been trying to debate with you.  I'm not
ASKING you to approve of the act, or even to stop thinking it's sick.
I'm asking you to explain why that instantly negates anything else good
about a person.
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Furrys         
Date & Time: 08/16/90 15:27:00
Message Number  7793

Actually, this message was responded to in some detail on Tyler's board,
the Armadillo Connection.  My argument would be that Reli isn't a beast
any more than an elf in a Dungeons & Dragons world would be; she is a
cat, yes, but not significantly closer to a "real" cat than humans are
to other primates.
 
I have assumed they don't shed very much, probably no more than a normal
12-pound cat does, simply because it would make life a lot easier if
they evolved that way.  Reli is a short-hair cat, although her fur is
very soft.
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From: YNGLING             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 08/16/90 16:00:39
Message Number  7794

Specialist -
"Grumbles From The Grave" is a collection of RAH's letters edited by
his wife Ginny that was published, oh, about a year ago.  Pretty inter-
esting stuff if A) you are a Heinlein fanatic, or B) you are interested
in the personalities and politics of the publishing world during the
"golden age" of science fiction.  Of course you can borrow it as long
as you swear on your mother's soul to take good care of it and return
it within a years time.  And /ignore/ any remarks Black Magic makes
about my promises to loan books...its /her/ fault she never got "A Box
Full Of Hell" and she can STILL borrow it if she wants to.
                                    The Yngling
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From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Laws of...     
Date & Time: 08/16/90 21:26:53
Message Number  7797

How 'but the most famous and liberal Jesse and the most famous and
conservative Jesse spend about six or seven days chained together?
/That's/ what I want to see...
 
So, who's the bigger embarassment to his political organization, Mikey
Dukakis or Jesse Helms, hmm? Frankly, it's people like Jesse Helms make
me glad I'm a pinko liberal.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 21:30:51
Message Number  7798

Hmm. I'm not sure encouraging a nationwide obsession with the New
Kids for the purpose of separating young girls from their money is
all that wholesome an alternative to letting said young children
learn how to interact with real people. Plus it absolutely makes me sick
that the New Kids are being raved about as though they're absolutely the
greatest thing that ever happened to musical expression when they
wouldn't know music if it bit their choreographed asses.
 
Incidentally, you absolutely sure the New Kids are as Godawful perfect
as their press releases make 'em out to be? No temper tantrums, no 
bad habits, and they help little old ladies across the street, right?
And what, pray tell, is wrong with atheists???
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From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Nuke Kids      
Date & Time: 08/16/90 21:35:14
Message Number  7799

>...I preferred it when my daughter liked the unreachable guy.
 
Tryin' to prevent her from learning things like social interaction
fer as long as possible, hmm?
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 08/16/90 22:00:10
Message Number  7800

Me, I always make a point to hang around with the noble gasses. Much
more intellectually stimulating than the more reactive elements; much
less prone to blowing up at you for trivial reasons. I like stability
in any relationship.
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