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Public Message 
[36mMessage # 2 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : All
[33mFrom    : Backbone Operations
[35mSubject : Expiration Warning
[37mDate    : 96/10/06  00:24:00[33m

Hello.

The Zone 1 Backbone only carries echoes listed in the Zone 1 EchoList.  It
seems that the listing for this echo will expire this month.  Thus, it is
necessary for the moderator to update it's listing if it is to remain on the
Zone 1 Backbone.

For more information please consult these files:  BOFAQxxx.TXT and
ELISTxxx.ZIP, where "xxx" is the version number.  They are available from most
hubs or can be requested from 1:1/200, 1:1/201, 1:283/120 or 1:396/1.

If you need assistance, please contact Marge Robbins, 1:283/120.

Regards,

Zone 1 Backbone Operations

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Public Message 
[36mMessage # 3 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : All
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : rules
[37mDate    : 96/10/07 15:04:05[33m

                       (Updated 96/10/07)
                MM1_TECH Fido echo rules and regulations.
 
I shall moderate this echo until a suitable replacement is available.
I do not want to moderate on a permanent basis since I am also a
Mfgr. Rep. for the MM/1 computer.
 
The rules are simple and please follow them as listed below:
 
1.  No commercial business may be conducted.
2.  No commercial advertising, only announcements of new products
    that become available for the benifit of MM/1 users. Prices
    should also not be quoted but a range may be stated.
3.  Absoulutly no flaming or bad language. Use of such tactics may
    result in your source loosing the echo.
4.  The use of quoting someone elses msg. in making up a reply should
    be limited to only quote the lines that relate to your reply.
5.  When  relating a problem and asking for help please include as
    much data about your configuration and boot as possible, include
    edition #'s and CRC of a module in question. Also your hardware
    configuration.
6.  This echo is for information and help so please refrain from 
    leaving personal mail that has no benifit for other users.
 
For information on sources of hardware and software for the MM/1 call
The Ocean Beach BBS.  The Ocean Beach BBS is also the Fido region 10
OS9CN OSK library.

The Ocean Beach BBS tel. # is (619) 224-4878 1,2-16.8K baud 8N1.
 
Your MM1_TECH Fido echo moderator, Warren Hrach
 
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 4 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : USR modems bug
[37mDate    : 96/10/09 07:38:15[33m

Dave,
    The time you were on and experiancing the pauses when you type in on
your end is caused by your USR Modem.  You can get new ROMS from the mfg
if you contact them with the trouble.  It is not your term program.
There is a temp fix you can do by setting &K0, no data compression.
Warren Hrach
 
[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
 * Origin: Ocean Beach RiBBS_MM1 BBS (619) 224-4878 (1:202/745.1)


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Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 5 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : David Graham
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/12 14:44:18[33m

           On Wednesday, September 18th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote:
 
DK> Another item to cosider when the final product is produced and made
DK> available for sale.
DK> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
DK> a person could build their own system from components they already
DK> have around the house as so many of us already do.  
DK> ...
I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense.  In fact,
no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
more really.   The money to be made comes from adding the components at
a also thin markup.  - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
mother board enough.   
 
 
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[36mMessage # 8 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : COWGIRL
[33mFrom    : IVAN SZE
[35mSubject : DROP
[37mDate    : 96/10/12  16:52:00[33m

DROP

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[36m
Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 10 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : David Graham
[33mFrom    : Allen Morgan
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/14  20:56:00[33m

Hello David!

Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly:

 DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
 DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already
 DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do.

 DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
 DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing

  How about a port to the older Macintosh?  I know that the 68040 Mac's are
slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and a GUI (maybe
resurrect Gwindows), it might sell.  You could design a supplemental boot ROM
or something.  The advantage is that if successful, we all get to tap into a
whole bunch of affordable stuff rather than having yet another obscure
motherboard.  If you design a motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will
find the resources to get a PCI chipset in correctly?  I'll bet it takes more
than $100,000 to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for.
Your product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500
Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc, etc.  The
small guy can't compete anymore.

Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged...

Allen

[37m--- GEcho 1.02+
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[36m
Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 28 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : David Graham
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/16  21:55:00[33m

DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense.  In fact,
DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
DG> more really.   The money to be made comes from adding the components at
DG> a also thin markup.  - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
DG> mother board enough.   

The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
know it is very easy to give away the store.

What I am fixing to say, you already know. 

You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. 
Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.

Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
them.

Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information

I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
products are not being marketed aggressively enough.  
...
 * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
 * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)

[36m
Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 34 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : David Graham
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/16  21:55:00[33m

DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense.  In fact,
DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
DG> more really.   The money to be made comes from adding the components at
DG> a also thin markup.  - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
DG> mother board enough.   

The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
know it is very easy to give away the store.

What I am fixing to say, you already know. 

You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. 
Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.

Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
them.

Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information

I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
products are not being marketed aggressively enough.  
...
 * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
 * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)

[36m
Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 49 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : David Graham
[33mFrom    : Dave Kelly
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/19  15:53:00[33m

DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing
DG> the few ads I have distributed, much less any other expense.  In fact,
DG> no profit at all is made until a person is buying in quantities of 5 or
DG> more really.   The money to be made comes from adding the components at
DG> a also thin markup.  - Though I can do it if I increase the price of the
DG> mother board enough.   

The profit margin I understand. Having spent many years in retail sales I
know it is very easy to give away the store.

What I am fixing to say, you already know. 

You can have the best product (a better mouse trap) in the world and the
world WILL NOT beat a path to your door. You must go to their door. 
Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 and your
new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get into some
of the big industrial computer shows and display it capabilities.

Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last year.
You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on the market
that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own nitch in that marker?"
Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit waiting for people to come to
them.

Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and cities.
One of the ways they help is to provide new business information in the form
of sources of venture capital and development plans. I know the State of
Texas provides a pretty thick packet of this information

I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
products are not being marketed aggressively enough.  
...
 * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
[37m--- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard
 * Origin: Coyote's Den (1:106/3198)

[36m
Public Message 
[36mMessage # 55 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : Allen Morgan
[33mFrom    : David Graham
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/21 16:59:26[33m

            On Monday, October 14th, 1996 - Allen Morgan wrote:
 
AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh?  I know that the 68040 Mac's 
AM> are slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9 and 
AM> a GUI (maybe resurrect Gwindows), it might sell.  You could design a 
AM> supplemental boot ROM or something.  The advantage is that if 
AM> successful, we all get to tap into a whole bunch of affordable stuff 
AM> rather than having yet another obscure motherboard.  If you design a 
AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will find the resources to 
AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly?  I'll bet it takes more than $100,000 
AM> to design a modern board that consumers will pay much for. Your 
AM> product will be measured, whether you agree or not, against the $500 
AM> Intel Pentium mother boards with PCI slots, built -in EIDE , etc, 
AM> etc.  The  small guy can't compete anymore.
AM> Not mean, not hateful, just discouraged...
AM> Allen
Allen, I don't know my way around the MacIntosh, but I am looking for
a board that can be used for serious industrial and commerical uses.  I
don't think the 68040 fits there, indeed the 68060 barely fits.  PCI
can be supported, and I suspect that the cost will be significantly less
than you would expect.  I'm also looking for some commerical uses to
undertake that would subsidize the personal market - perhaps some
networked games or simulators - 
 
Just sign me, -Optimistic in New Orleans.
 
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Public Message [31m(Rec)
[36mMessage # 57 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : Dave Kelly
[33mFrom    : David Graham
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/21 17:06:22[33m

            On Wednesday, October 16th, 1996 - Dave Kelly wrote:
 
DK> door.  Promotion is the only way to sell a new product. For the AT306 
DK> and your new board (in mother board form only) you would need to get 
DK> into some of the big industrial computer shows and display it 
DK> capabilities. 
DK> Kevin Pease and I talked about this for an hour on the phone last 
DK> year. You need to ask yourself this question,"Is there a product on 
DK> the market that sells for this price? Am I willing to make my own 
DK> nitch in that marker?" Compaq didn't make a better computer and sit 
DK> waiting for people to come to them.
DK> Each state works hard to bring new industries to their towns and 
DK> cities. One of the ways they help is to provide new business 
DK> information in the form of sources of venture capital and development 
DK> plans. I know the State of Texas provides a pretty thick packet of 
DK> this information 
DK> I'll get off my soapbox now, you understand what I'm saying. These new
DK> products are not being marketed aggressively enough.  
DK> ...
DK>  * ATP/OSK 1.40 * A gaggle of geese
Dave, you are entirely right.  I too have though about this. 
Unfortunately, I am also still right.  Without margin there is no money
to spend on promotions.  The AT306 relies on its resellers to provide
their own capital for promotion without regaining that capital from
sales.  That has  stunted sales.  It would do the same thing with a new
board.  The price HAS to come up.  In order for the price to come up,
you must either sell whole systems only, or sell a more powerful
motherboard.   Or you must CREATE your won markets with other products.
 
[37m--- RiBBS OSK Beta
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[36m
Public Message 
[36mMessage # 93 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : Allen Morgan
[33mFrom    : David Hazelton
[35mSubject : Re: mm1:c
[37mDate    : 96/10/24  19:24:00[33m

-=> Quoting Allen Morgan to David Graham <=-

 AM> Hello David!

 AM> Saturday October 12 1996 14:44, David Graham wrote to Dave Kelly:
 
 DK>> Make a mother board only available such as the 306 is now. That way
 DK>> a person could build their own system from components they already
 DK>> have around the house as so many of us already do.
 
 DG> I'm thinking about that, but leaning away from it.  AT306 sales are
 DG> nearly nil, and the margin is not enough to pay for my time in preparing

 AM> How about a port to the older Macintosh?  I know that the 68040
 AM> Mac's are  slow compared to the PowerPC and Intel Pentium but with OS-9
 AM> and a GUI (maybe  resurrect Gwindows), it might sell.  
 
 AM> If you design a
 AM> motherboard yourself, I wonder where you will  find the resources to
 AM> get a PCI chipset in correctly?  


I just read that IBM was releasing there specs on there 
LONG TRAIL MOTHERBOARD for the taking. It is a PowerPC PCI based Motherboard
with both MAC and PC connectors and support.  IBM  isn't going to mass 
produce these boards, but is giving the specs out free so some motherboard
cloner can mass produce it.   It isn't PPCP compliant yet, because you still
need a option APPLE ROM card to run MAC-OS.   Maybe that would be something
to look into.  If you can have these made at reasonable cost and Port your
personal OS-9 to 601 code so when I actually buy a new computer it isn't 
using 10 year old parts.  Within 6 months I am hopefully going to buy a
new OS-9 computer...MM1B.   I do feel a little uneasy about the Motherboard
and will be willing to buy a more "upto date" Motherboard.  I want something 
that I can replace in 10 years, not having to "hunt" for old technology to
keep it running.   

Just a thought
~David Hazelton



... Stupidity is using a PC emultor on a MAC to read CoCo/OS-9 messages.

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[36m
Public Message 
[36mMessage # 97 *MM1_TECH Echo*[32m
To      : All
[33mFrom    : Warren Hrach
[35mSubject : For sale
[37mDate    : 96/10/26 09:46:40[33m

-
For Sale:
 
                    Hardware

1 CoCo III w/6309 CPU, 512K PBJ mem, Diode IRQ hack. (runs cool)
1 Multipak, white small case
1 Floppy Controller, J&M w/switch for an alternate ROM.
1 B&B HD Controller w/WD MFM controller and Hardware clock
1 Ken-Ton Dual RS232pak, w/6551a acia chips.
1 Floppy drive case w/2 DSDD Teac 360k drives, 1 external 3.5" 720 drive.
1 Hard drive case w/1 20 meg Seagate and 1 40 meg Seagate drives.
1 External HD power supply for above HD's
 
                    Software
 
Nitros9 version 1.6
RiBBS V2.11 (beta) (the Ocean Beach BBS 1:202/745)
Supercomm
Osterm
Ved (word processor)
Stylograph (word processor)
Dynacalc
Complete RiBBS available files on HD.
Complete MM/1 available files on HD.
Tandy OS9 level 2 on original disks.
OS9 manuals and docs.
 
                    Optional
 
1 Monochrome 13" monitor (green on black) $25.00
1 Anchor 2400 baud modem (hayes compatible) $15.00
1 Avatex 1200 baud modem, $10.00
 
I would prefer to sell this as an complete system for
$350.00 plus shipping. $375.00 with monitor.
If I do not get any offers by Nov. 15th I will break
up the system and sell piecemeal.
 
This system has been running continuously for several years
and the BBS works with a 14,400 baud Hi Speed modem at
9600 baud (no lost chars).
 
Warren Hrach, RiBBS/RiBBS_MM1 beta sysop.
Voice tel. (619) 221-8246
Data tel.  (619) 224-4878 RiBBS_MM1 Ocean Beach BBS (1:202/745)
Internet.  (warren@ocnbeach.maximumaccess.com)
-
 
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