

#: 14851 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    07-Apr-92  23:01:38
Sb: #14844-I Give Up
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Believe me, gratuitous insults and flamage *are* wasted effort, and I think
that we now have more than enough examples of that.  Perhaps further study of
how to motivate people is in order.

(Opinions expressed here are solely those of the author.)

#: 14852 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Apr-92  00:30:32
Sb: #14844-I Give Up
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Sure, a few people have had prototype machines for years.  What's your point? 
There aren't a bunch of OS-9 developers with any graphics experience, and even
they only work on programs in their spare time.  So I don't think anyone
expects a multi-color Lotus 1-2-3 clone to suddenly spring forth.

I think we *will* see some neat stuff, but it takes time and money... which are
both in short supply during this recession.

But going around posting morose messages with "I don't think the windows will
ever be finished" and crap like that sure doesn't help any.  And no, insults
don't make difficult code easier to write.  What a strange idea.

Hey, doomsayers are a dime a dozen everywhere.  Try stopping into Amiga or
Atari groups sometime... there's always a heavy thread going on about how
"Ohmigod it's too little too late" or "Our system is doomed" or you-name-it.

It's so sad it's almost funny.  What a misdirected waste of time and effort!
And frankly, it's a slap in the face to people who're still working hard.

#: 14862 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Apr-92  20:10:41
Sb: #14844-I Give Up
Fm: Dan Robins 70007,3264
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Mark,

  RE: "I seriously doubt if the MM/1 effort will make it now".....

  Seems to me that you shouldn't be blaming anyone for this statment other than
the folks at IMS. From someone who's been burned by their meaningless promises
(namely, yours truly)....you'll get no sympathy. My faith in them was lost a
while back.

   Dan (who's been biting his tongue for a long time)

#: 14853 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Apr-92  00:30:55
Sb: #14845-I Give Up
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X)

Frank,

Don't nitpick :-)  I meant $300 for the additional G-Windows developer's
package if bought separately, of course.  The point being: you need it if you
want to program G-W specific stuff, vs just being a user.

I've got nothing against that, of course.  I can no longer live without
charging something either :-)

Hate to admit it, but I haven't fully hooked up the TC70 yet.  It ended up
arriving a week or so after I got in Tony's color digitizer, and things got
clogged up around here.  You know how that goes <sigh>.  Should have it working
by this weekend, I think, tho.  Give a call Sunday night.

kevin

#: 14854 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  02:06:11
Sb: #14810-#GNU C Compiler
Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)

I'll answer in the order of your questions: On FidoNet (OS9), the regional
libraries are posted monthly. On other networks, they have been posted
irregularly (this should change to monthly, soon).

Our services include: The NetNews 8 OS-9 file areas Member directory
(international) Vendors listing (1st in 2 mos.) Job listing (time?) Microware
(and other relevant vendor's) product announcements

Our former secretary was overburdened with too many resposibilities. Her duties
are now assumed by two officers.

If I can help answer any other questions you may have, concerning the OS9CN,
please feel free to ask.

Tom Birt - OS9CN Editor

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#: 14868 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  21:48:48
Sb: #14854-#GNU C Compiler
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Tom Birt 76640,1205 (X)

Thanks very much for the answers and candor.  I have to admit to being a bit
disappointed that the excitment that surrounded my sending in my membership
request (at the prospect of some form of UG forming) was dashed by the months
of silence that followed and the difficulty of getting a simple answer like
yours from John, but maybe there is hope here after all.  I hope I don't seem
hostile, because that isn't the intent.

Again, thanks very much.

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#: 14875 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  00:24:46
Sb: #14868-GNU C Compiler
Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

We certainly have drifted off of the subject of the GNU compiler, but I hope
our correspondance will help all who read this thread to become interested in
getting involved with the OS9CN. It should become a real "shot in the arm" for
perpetuating interest in my (and I hope your) favorite operating system. Stay
tuned here for further news on our communications progress (with the proper Sb:
heading). :)*

Tom Birt - OS9CN Editor

#: 14877 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  03:48:10
Sb: #14868-GNU C Compiler
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

This OS9CN sounds interesting. What is it?.

#: 14891 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  16:28:06
Sb: #14759-GNU C Compiler
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Yes, I must admit that I have an ST1040FM running OSK(V2.4), allthough I don't
run it every night. The problem with the GNU-c-compiler is that it will most
likely not run in the Atari, because of to little memory. The ansi-c-compiler
is almost 500k in object when it is unpacked, and the C++ is over 700kb(it
takes a bit to load it the first time). I have used it a bit, to port
'unix'-stuff to os9. Using the 'v7make' from top-munic-package and the
GNU-c-compiler made the ports not so painfull as with Microwares compiler.

regards ole

#: 14855 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  02:49:58
Sb: #14848-#MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Glen,  Yes, I just happen to catch a message that gave Signetics phone number.
There is probably quite a number of people that would like that chip info, and
don't know that it is available. We need to spread the word. Oh, I bet
Signetics will like that ;-)

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#: 14873 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  23:27:35
Sb: #14855-#MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

Hi Larry... Yeah, I hope that a sudden flurry of requests for free info won't
make them consider charging for it to pay for costs. Who knows? Guess it
depends on how well they're doing financially...

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#: 14876 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  00:25:29
Sb: #14873-#MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Glen,  Thats what I was wondering, if they would notice all the sudden
requests, realize whats going on, and decide to make some money. Maybe not, it
might be that a BIG company like them with lots of tax lawyers, uses these
give-aways in a big tax write off.

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#: 14921 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  03:08:41
Sb: #14876-MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)

Hi Larry... Yah, probably so...

#: 14858 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  15:21:17
Sb: #14830-#MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)

Glen,

Do give Paul a call. He wants your feedback.

Steve

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#: 14874 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  23:30:37
Sb: #14858-MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Hi Steve... Yeah I guess I should call Paul (PKW). I used to try several times
a day when I was waiting for my base unit - was never able to get him on the
line, though he did return my call once. I hope I still can't cause that
probably means he's working hard on getting me my manuals and I/O board. <grin>

#: 14856 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  06:37:20
Sb: #14847-MM/1 Tech Manual
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,

You're right about that pinout on the parallel ports.  I'll change it in the
next edition.  I did give Mark Sheffield pinouts for all the chips in the MM/1.
Most of them did not appear though and I don't know why.

Mark PS.  I won't flame you.  You are normally a good decent person.  I tried
lots of other methods to get some people to do things over the years and it all
didn't work.

#: 14859 S7/Telecommunications
    08-Apr-92  15:38:34
Sb: #14850-#OSTerm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Paul,

Can't help fixing the OSTERM problem but I can offer a work around for the bit
with needing a control C to log into CompuServe:

Instead of hitting a ^C, just thump return. You'll be prompted for a HOST, to
which you need to reply CIS or CPS.

After that it's just like you're used to.

There is a big advantage using this method over the ^C, in that you won't
inadvvertantly drop the line. You're always taken back to the HOST prompt for a
final OFF command.

Hope this helps.

Steve

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#: 14893 S7/Telecommunications
    09-Apr-92  21:26:47
Sb: #14859-#OSTerm
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

     Yeah, that does help except that if I leave OSTerm in learn mode while I
log onto CIS, by the time I'm typing the last characters of my password
something goes awry and the program terminates with this divide error. Know of
any full featured terminal programs that run under OS9 ?
                                Paul

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#: 14909 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Apr-92  21:13:29
Sb: #14893-#OSTerm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Paul,

Depends on what you mean by full featured. I've been using Sterm for years. It
meets all my need.

Steve

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#: 14939 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Apr-92  18:20:51
Sb: #14909-OSTerm
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

    I'm using Sterm right now. When going onto other BBS's I like to be able to
change baud without quitting and xmode'ing, Y-modem is nice, and a dialing
directory is kinda nice. Sterm works real well on CIS.

                 Paul

#: 14860 S7/Telecommunications
    08-Apr-92  17:15:15
Sb: #14801-Garble?
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Thanks for the feedback, Steve.  I've been out of town and will have to get
back to the missing LF problem now.  I will look (again) at DEFAULT, but that
was source of some problems of a different nature a couple of weeks ago and I
think it's all ok now (but will recheck).  I'll also have to try to be more
critical in my observation of the glitch to see as exactly as I can when and
where it happens.  I'm inclined to a belief that it is something related to the
scrolling of the screen at the end of a message.  I suspect there's something a
bit different about the sequence of characters at the end of a message that at
the end of a line in the middle of a message; and that this is somehow tangling
with the scrolling of my local monitor.  I don't know of anything unusual in my
setup; Magnavox monitor connected to the RGB output of COCO3; running Shell+;
using the Shack Serial Pak; using the Disto Super Controller and the OWL/LR
hard disk controller.  I don't really believe any of the disk controller paks
likely since I'm not logging when the line feed gets dropped.  So.o.o.o, I'll
ponder and watch closely and see what occurs.  Thanks for encouragement.  Ches.

#: 14863 S7/Telecommunications
    08-Apr-92  20:32:40
Sb: #14801-#Garble?
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, it may be a longer search than I feared.  Apparently, STERM is inserting
a $09 at infrequent intervals.  The result is to bump the cursor up one line
part way thru the line, then the next $0D starts the next line and over writes
what was on that line.  The $09 apparently comes in just after the   * Replies:
so the reply msg number(s) show up in the body of the message and the next line
writes over the  * Replies  .  Interesting but somewhat confusing.  The message
that had the garble is quite repeatable as to the insertion of the $09 on STERM
but no such garble when that same message is received on WIZ.  Wiz and STERM
use different drivers so that may give me a clue.  But why is a $09 always
inserted just before the reply msg numbers???  Cute, huh.  Ches.

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#: 14869 S7/Telecommunications
    08-Apr-92  22:09:05
Sb: #14863-Garble?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Hmm ....

Interesting that $09 is the COCO/MM1 control code for cursor up. Sterm is just
doing what it's told to do ... passing the $09. Your screen is just acting upon
it. Sterm is not inseting it ... but it must be getting it from somewhere.

Now ... why doesn't this happen on my screen?

What do you have your CIS default terminal type set to?

Steve

#: 14872 S7/Telecommunications
    08-Apr-92  22:26:25
Sb: #14863-#Garble?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Ches,

Take one more trip to Default. I'll bet your TABs are set to REAL.

Since the CoCo windows interprets a TAB (^I) as a cursor up, your screen is
gonna dance whenever an $09 is in the stream.

Change that puppy to SIMULATED and I'll bet the problem dissappears.

Steve

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#: 14883 S7/Telecommunications
    09-Apr-92  06:47:16
Sb: #14872-Garble?
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, You're probably right, and that would explain why it doesn't come in
from WIZ which probably interprets the TAB as a TAB.  I'm on my way to DEFAULT
(again).  I didn't know CoCo windows interpreted a $9 as cursor up; I thought
$11 (^K) was cursor up.  Thanks much for your guidance. Regards, Ches.

#: 14884 S7/Telecommunications
    09-Apr-92  06:51:33
Sb: #14872-#Garble?
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, as you predicted, simulated tabs removes the error.  Thanks much for
your guidance.  Regards, Ches.

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#: 14885 S7/Telecommunications
    09-Apr-92  07:09:53
Sb: #14884-#Garble?
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Sorry it took so long, Ches. It finally dawned on me when I looked at a cheat
sheet I had for control codes.

Steve

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#: 14898 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Apr-92  05:14:44
Sb: #14885-Garble?
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Didn't seem long to me, Steve.  I sure appreciate your guidance.  Ches.

#: 14864 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  20:36:34
Sb: Kwindows
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To:  76703,4227 (X)

I am having trouble with the vt70 driver on my tc70.......random blank lines
after using dynastar,
 cant see the top line on the magnavox monitor,  the 24 line screen is hard to
read since the
 characters are so narrow they fit over 100 on the screen,  does not work with
some software.

 I wonder if kwindows will make some improvments here.  Does the version Frank
is now selling use
 a different font or graphics mode?

 Does it hot key instantly between screens like coco windows or does it paint
the screen in
 relatively slow brush strokes?

 I know that a volonteer is rewriting vt70 for vt100 emulation - will your
current package be
 compatable?

 Do you have some docs for the do you have some docs for the package being
sold?

 I s there a gif viewer for the tc70 under kwindows and does it show 256
colors?

 If frank pushes vga with the pcxt card adapter will kwindows be changed to
work with it?

What monitor are you using on your tc70 ?  Do you feel it is sharp enough to
use all day?

 Hope to hear from you soon... thanks for supporting the tc70!

#: 14865 S1/General Interest
    08-Apr-92  21:38:18
Sb: #14818-#New AR Developments
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Duly noted.  How much of a speed hit are folks willing to absorb for new
features in ar?  Reason being that better compression might require keeping
tables on disk, thus slowing ar by a factor of 10 or more.

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#: 14888 S1/General Interest
    09-Apr-92  07:56:19
Sb: #14865-New AR Developments
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

I'll check...

Lee



#: 14914 S1/General Interest
    11-Apr-92  01:31:34
Sb: #14865-New AR Developments
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

re Ar improvements: on the other hand the latest version of lharc seems to have
most the requested improvements. But it is painfully slow, proving that you
don't get nothing for nothing!

#: 14866 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  21:41:03
Sb: #14820-#more serial wierdness
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

I got the board today 8-Apr-92.  If you want proof to beat up the carrier I can
provide it.  I hope to be on the air in a day or so (have to go scrounge
monitor and keyboard again - forgot about that) and with any luck at all I will
be able to duplicate the problems.  Usuall I can find it if I can see it ;).

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#: 14870 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  22:11:05
Sb: #14866-more serial wierdness
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

Great news, Carl!

I'll let my shipping department know of the delay and let them take it up with
the carrier. The important thing is you've got the board!

Steve

#: 14867 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  21:43:06
Sb: #14822-MM/1 help
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Ok.  I understand.  We may want to consider mailing me your boot file. I don't
have any old stuff left around for the MM1.

#: 14871 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Apr-92  22:12:18
Sb: #14822-MM/1 help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

No problem on that, Carl. Let me know when you're ready and I'll shoot it to
ya.

Steve

#: 14878 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Apr-92  04:14:36
Sb: #Wish List
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: All

Too All Developers or those that wanna be:

I have uploaded a wish list of things I'd like to see developed for the new
machines or the CoCo.  Please give it a look and see if there is something in
there you might be interested in doing.

This list is my personal opinion only.  Fee free to disagree with anything I
said.

Mark

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#: 14879 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Apr-92  05:20:56
Sb: #14878-#Wish List
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I thought it was a pretty comprehensive list, myself!  Looks like you put a lot
of thinking into it.

kev

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#: 14892 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Apr-92  18:44:10
Sb: #14879-Wish List
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,

Tank you (grin).

Mark

#: 14880 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Apr-92  06:04:20
Sb: #14709-E.A.R.S.
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

great. if you can get me his number email it to me

thanks!

Mike

#: 14881 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Apr-92  06:06:31
Sb: #14803-OS9 level 2/disk basic 2
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

yeah all you do is put in the second disk (boot/config/basic09) and it has the
loader. if not type in the boot program on any os9 program.



#: 14882 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Apr-92  06:22:06
Sb: #link count bug
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: all

Hey check this out! I have left my system on for over 2 months and i did an
mdir a few days ago and RBF and BBFHdisk showed FFFF for link count but
today i did it again and look at this.
 

   Module Directory at 22:05:56

Block Offset Size Typ Rev Attr  Use Module Name
----- ------ ---- --- --- ---- ---- ------------
  3F    D06   12A  C1   1 r...    0 REL
  3F    E30   1D0  C1   1 r...    1 Boot
  3F   1000   ED9  C0   8 r...    2 OS9p1
   1    A00   CAE  C0   2 r...    1 OS9p2
   1   16AE   9F3  C1   1 r...    1 IOMan
   1   20A1    2E  C0   1 r...    1 Init
   1   20CF   1AE  11   1 ....    1 CC3Go
   1   227D   23E  C1   1 r...    4 Clock
   1   24BB  12CB  D1   1 r... Lock RBF
   1   3786   65D  E1   2 r... Lock BBFhdisk
   1   3DE3    39  F1   1 r... Lock dd
   1   3E1C    39  F1   1 r... 432D h0
   1   3E55    39  F1   1 r... 41F6 h1
   1   3E8E   B9A  E1   1 r...   B8 SDisk3
   1   4A28    33  F1   3 r...    F D0

 
See? RBF,BBFhdisk and DD show "lock" for a link count. What does
this mean?
 
Mike

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#: 14887 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Apr-92  07:49:30
Sb: #14882-#link count bug
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)

Mike - It's not a bug, just something you don't see very often :-)

Actually, you probably did a "dirm" and it showed FFFF as the link count.

The stock command "mdir e" more appropriately shows "Lock" for the same value.

As you know, $FFFF is the highest possible value for a module link count (max
value that can be held in two bytes).  Any links afterwards won't increment the
count (because you'd roll over to 0000, then 0001, etc). Therefore, unlinks
can't be honored either (the link/unlinks might not match up).

So the module can't be unlinked and is considered "locked" into memory. You
could write a util that did that many links to any module if you wanted it to
stay around for sure :-)

best - kevin

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#: 14902 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Apr-92  13:34:43
Sb: #14887-link count bug
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

well one thing for sure is OS9 is stable! The longest record for running the
machine without re-booting is 4 months. Im sitting about 2-3 months now and
unlike that time I use the machine more. (that 4 months i was away at college
the bbs was the only thing running)

I assumed it would roll over and i was told that it would unlink from memory
(roll over to 0 and drops out) but obvoisly this proves that wrong.

Mike

#: 14889 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  08:32:55
Sb: #OLD OSK Manuals
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: all

I have a stack of old OSK manuals for versions 2.0 and 2.1 that I am going to
throw away unless someone has a need/use for them.  Drop me a line in email
SOON if you're interested.

-J

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#: 14903 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Apr-92  16:55:04
Sb: #14889-OLD OSK Manuals
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)

Jay,

I'd be happy to stop by the house and take them off your hands if you're just
gonna toss 'em.

Steve

#: 14890 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    09-Apr-92  16:18:11
Sb: OS9MAX r/w OS9disk in PC
Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
To:  71071,2003 (X)

hello George.

I have just posted 'OS9MAX'-demo in lib 12 of OSK. Unfortunate I couldn't find
'lharc', so had to use 'pkarc'. As this is a demo-version, there is some
limitation in what you can do, but if those commands work, it is very unlikely,
that the full-featured program should not work.

best regards

ole b. hansen

100016,3417

#: 14894 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    09-Apr-92  21:52:17
Sb: #Don't Give up
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All

Dear Friends: During the past few weeks I have noticed a lot of negative
comments on the networks regarding certain members of our COCO community. I
realize that some of these comments are made out of frustration. Folks have
bought MM1's or one of the new systems and are waiting for he bugs to be worked
out. Others are continuing to use the COCO3 and are worried about a lack of
support. But I would like everyone to step back for a moment and look at the
situation.  Our machine has officially been out of production since Sept '89.
The COCO's are gone. Tandy is no longer interested...Microware...? Mcuh of what
we have seen come out since has been the work of "hobbyist" Sure some of the
people are professional programmers, but many have gone way beyond just
developing commercial products. If I had to pay for all the free advice I have
gotten from Kevin Darling, James Jones, Lee Veal, Mike Haaland, Shawn Driscoll,
Marty Goodman, and many others who I don't have space to name, it would far
exceed my connect charges. If I might be so presumptious, I have come to
consider these people my friends. It was very exciting for me to meet many of
you last year at Rainbowfest. As you introduced yourselves to me, (I do have a
way of standing out in a crowd, you know) I was like a little kid. I felt, my
goodness I'm meeting the famous (you fill in your own name.)
 I feel our community is special. Oh sure, I have hounded Kevin about the level
2 upgrade to the point that I am surprised when he answers my messages. I
bemoan the lack of an OS-9 Version of Max-10, while making very slow progress
on writing one. And I publically apologize to all of you. But you folks have
been wonderful. Please, keep criticisms directed in valid ways, not personal
attacks. I'm not trying to be the COCO Chaplain, (but I would accept the
nomination...), but I hate to see people discouraged in their efforts , on all
of our behalf, by comments said in anger or frustration.

With all best wishes, to all of you, my dear friends, Br. Jeremy, CSJW



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#: 14899 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    10-Apr-92  05:23:48
Sb: #14894-Don't Give up
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Very nicely said, Chaplain.  As one of many "lurkers" on the MM comments, I
have also been somewhat saddened by the occasional vitriol that appears. Folks,
we have a mighty fine computer in the CoCo and some mighty fine potential in
the MM and others; they're worth a bit of struggle to keep and enjoy.  But even
more important is the camaraderie and joy of accomplishment represented by the
Kevins, Steves, and Martys (please excuse the shorthand for naming so many
helpers) who so willingly and patiently explain (again and again) the mysteries
of OS9 etc.  The frustration is evident, but it would be nice to see comments
focused on tangibles and not on personalities. It is a real pleasure to be
associated with you all.  With highest regards, Ches.

#: 14942 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    11-Apr-92  20:34:40
Sb: #14894-Don't Give up
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142

Of course, you are 100% correct. The only problem is that everyone around here
is only human, and such are subject to getting pretty frustrated at times. I
just hope that when someone dumps on another member of our commnunity it is
taken in the most charitable manner possible. Not only do we have to remember
the human frailities we all have, but also the very real problem of this
written communication medium which is so unforgiving (it's real hard to read
between the lines like you can in a face to face conversation).

Thanks for reminding us all.

#: 14895 S4/MIDI and Music
    09-Apr-92  22:58:52
Sb: #14798-#Umuse3 Help
Fm: Larry J. Mohr 76120,1642
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

According to the information on the Umuse addendum Second City Software is now

Kala Software 3801 Brown Bark Drive Greensboro, NC 27408

no phone number though. I got my copy from Coco-Pro. It is hard to believe how
much has been added to the shareware version to become 4.7.5a. I tried out the
part block copy yesterday and I can see it saving me HOURS of time. The
crescendo/diminuendo give the music a much more REAL feel. I hope to upload
some tunes when I get a few complete the way I want.

Thanks for the help. Larry Mohr

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#: 14897 S4/MIDI and Music
    10-Apr-92  05:13:48
Sb: #14895-Umuse3 Help
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Larry J. Mohr 76120,1642

Thanks for info, Larry.  Referring back to your last message and your interest
in "a more elegant solution"; I think your approach is probably better than the
one I was using with a patched Shell+.  The problem with a non-standard
approach is exemplified by my loss of the patch info and thus the loss of a
useable method.  What I'm doing now works with either MultiVue or without by
using the following script under the title of MUSE in the CMDS directory: 
xmode /w7 type=1;tshell umuse3<>>>/w7&  .  tshell is the original tandy shell
patched to have the name tshel but saved as tshell. Typing MUSE <enter> starts
UMusE in a VDC window, but I still have to <CLEAR> to go to that window and use
UMusE.  Regards, Ches.

#: 14896 S5/OS9 Users Group
    10-Apr-92  01:12:46
Sb: OS9CN Membership
Fm: Tom Birt 76640,1205
To: Mark Sours

Got your mail. Please include your phone number and machine types you use for
OS-9.

Tom

#: 14904 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Apr-92  18:30:53
Sb: #Mouseman and the MM/1?
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To:  76070,41 (X)

Mark:

Is this any way to get a mouseman (righthanded) from Logitech to work with the
MM/1?

If a NEW driver needs to be written could you do it?

I have model M-MC13
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#: 14926 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  09:07:21
Sb: #14904-#Mouseman and the MM/1?
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith,

The Mouseman is a Microsoft compatible mouse, not a Logitech compatible mouse. 
Go figure that one out.

It would take a new driver, but I can't do it.  The MM/1 mouse drivers are not
drivers per se but interrupt handlers as far as I know.  I don't know how it
could be interfaced unless Kevin wants to make a mouse driver for the Microsoft
mouse.

Mark

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#: 14932 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  14:37:26
Sb: #14926-#Mouseman and the MM/1?
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Kevin:

So how about it, could you do it?

See mess number 14904

Keith

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#: 14941 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  20:32:10
Sb: #14932-Mouseman and the MM/1?
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413

Keith,

 >So how about it, could you do it?

No.

Mark

#: 14905 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    10-Apr-92  18:34:50
Sb: STAR NX-1000 & the MM/1
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: ALL

I got my STAR NX-1000 Rainbow printer to work with the MM/1

you have to set LF to NOLF if you want to move it back and forth from a CoCo 3.

You have to use SC68230.pols{le{~{oku! P.polled

Keith

#: 14906 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Apr-92  19:17:28
Sb: GUI
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: ALL

Dear Friends: I just uploaded GUIB.AR and GUIB11.PAK by Shawn Driscoll into
LIBRARY 10, key word GUI. If you want to see some incredible things on our
little COCO, get these files. I know that anything I write will be based on
these from now on. With all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW

#: 14912 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  01:10:10
Sb: #scsi formatting
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

I reformatted my scsi hard drive the other day (after a crash, but that's
another story....). I found that doing a physical format really didn't do
anything. Is there a way to do a real physical format on these? I would think
that physical format should do all the neat stuff like allocating alternate
tracks when bad sectors are found, etc.?

There are 2 Replies.

#: 14928 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  09:38:52
Sb: #14912-scsi formatting
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,

 >Is there a way to do a real physical format on these?

If you have a Quantum or a Conner, no.  I take it from your message that you
did select a physical format but it only took a couple seconds.  This is what
the drives above do.  They are already formatted from the factory and use a
special format to get the increased speeds.  When you send a SCSI format
command to the drive, it just does a check on itself and returns a success (or
something like that).

If you need to do a real format, you'll have to send the drive out to a depot
repair site or return to the manufacturer.  You can still mark out bad sectors
by doing a physical verify and it will mark out in the bitmap those sectors
that it can't read.

Mark

#: 14935 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  16:58:44
Sb: #14912-scsi formatting
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

If you have a Quantum Drive, you can use the SCSI Mode Select command to set
the "Fill Data Pattern Enable" bit in one of the Quantum Unique Drive Control
Parameter pages.  Then you can specify a data pattern in the SCSI Format Unit
command.

I have not actually done this myself, but this is what the "Product Manual" for
my Quantum drive says.  The Quantum drives seem to be so reliable that I just
let the drive take care of itself.  Well, most of the time anyway :)

-J

-J




#: 14913 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  01:10:39
Sb: #terminal info needed
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

Can anyone help me to decide on which terminal to purchase for my MM/1?

I think I just want a text term which runs at 19,200? But I'm not sure what
else to look for. Looking in The Shopper I see Wyse 30/40/50 and 150s. Not too
much else. Anyone know the difference between the 30/40/50 models?

Anyone got a good used tube for sale?

There are 2 Replies.

#: 14936 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  16:59:06
Sb: #14913-terminal info needed
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

I personally like the Televideo 965 terminal. We used to get 955s until they
were priced more than the 965.  The 965 is a better terminal anyway.

I like the fact that they are one of the few terminals on the market that DO
NOT come with a BRAIN DAMAGED PC style keyboard layout (but this is just my
opinion).

It has a lot (16 I think) of programmable function keys. It has a good number
of specially labled editing type keys like "page", "home" "line insert/delete",
"char insert/delete," etc.  The cursor keys are laid out in a reasonable
pattern.

The CTRL key is only separated from the "A" key by a caps lock key.  I would
have preferred that it be RIGHT next to the "A" but this is as close as they
come (I looked at a lot of terminal keyboards). At least it isn't off down by
the space bar.

We've had some trouble with reliability of 955 keyboards but so far the 965
keyboards (which are newer) have not given us any trouble.

The 965 can go at least 19.2 KB, if not 38.4.  I know the 955 goes 38.4 but
can't remember for sure if the 965 does. Since it is newer than the 955 I would
expect it to.

Just my .02.

-J

-J




#: 14938 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  17:07:35
Sb: #14913-terminal info needed
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob,

I'm running a Wyse 50 for the most part at home, with a Televideo clone I
picked up for free on the porch. I also use Wyse 60's (I think) at the office.

What I like about the Wyse is there is only 4 things to break: The keyboard,
the tube, the power supply or mother board. Makes repairs a snap.

Steve

#: 14915 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Apr-92  01:41:01
Sb: #14838-Need GIME
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks for the info. I called up Radio Shack today to see if they had any
GIME's and they said they did but I would have to come in to order it and
prepay the bill. Do they have that new GIME you think?

#: 14918 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Apr-92  01:46:16
Sb: #14846-Need GIME
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317

Thanks. I'll give you a call real soon if not sooner!

#: 14920 S9/Utilities
    11-Apr-92  02:03:40
Sb: LZH
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all

I've seen the LZH decompress utility and was wondering if there is a LZH
compress utility for OS9? Has anyone made this program yet? It would be pretty
handy for OS9. Especially for us OS9 Sysops with lots of dloads and a small
HD...

#: 14922 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  03:37:33
Sb: os9max
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To:  100016,3417 (X)

Hi! I thought I'd let you know how OS9MAX went..First of all, I had trouble
with the documentation. I can't read German although I'd like too. Interesting
language... From what I could tell from the parameters thing, I was doing it
correctly as far as I could tell but I couldn't read my 360k OS9 diskettes in
my AT high density disk drive on my 386. any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

#: 14933 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Apr-92  14:40:21
Sb: Mouseman and the MM/1!
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227

Kevin;

See message 14904.

Keith

Press <CR> !>