From: TREE BEARD          
To: RUFUS               
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:09:21
Message Number  5901

>2 Live Crew's music make people want to steal wallets.
 
   There some people who you might want to meet.  They say that T back
swim suits cause insest.  I know you were kidding but there are some
ignorant people out there.  (Yes, that is a partial quote from the
Sarasota Herald...
       
  Weirdness is invading this fair land.
         Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: BEATLE              
Subject: reruns         
Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:13:57
Message Number  5902

   I'll wait for the "Ropers" to get out on video...  Then I'll have a
4 hours jam packed Roper mania party...  Pop tart anyone?
 
         Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: BEATLE              
Subject: weighted 4.2   
Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:18:37
Message Number  5903

Seems like I have to ask everyone to get off the phone... Even when I
live by myself...  Sarasota telephone lines... yek
 
   Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:22:03
Message Number  5904

I agree.. watching baseball on tv is boring!  I would rather watch
"Perry Mason" reruns all day long.  Now, going to a game is different.
   The fans are interesting to watch!
 
       Tree
     One cold dog and a warm beer please.
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:24:36
Message Number  5905

Probably Lawrenc Welk's bubbling medalies... 
 
  (SP?)  Tree
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: reruns         
Date & Time: 06/14/90 04:57:02
Message Number  5906

  A re1ative heard it was being rep1aced!!!!!!!!!!by FAMI1Y TIES
they're g0ing t0 have fam.ties, gr0w.pains, kateNa11ie, and 3s c0mpany
between 5-7. DAMN! there g0es an0ther h0ur 0f my viewing...
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:01:10
Message Number  5907

  w0u1dn't the air g0 back t0 rep1ace thespace where the ship just 1eft?
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: reruns         
Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:02:36
Message Number  5908

 
   4 h0urs 0n wrest1ing night because the wrest1ing sh0w is 2 hrs 10ng.
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: weighted 4.2   
Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:05:06
Message Number  5910

   Saras0ta everything... yek!
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Play Ball!     
Date & Time: 06/14/90 05:57:03
Message Number  5911

"Married..." is ok, but my wife suspects I only watch it to see
the little blond. My wife is very perceptive.
The Met scored 43 runs in three games against the Cubs - THAT'S
Entertainment. I like baseball on the tube because when nothings
happening, I can read a book - ya only have to look up when the 
pitch of the announcers voice changes. I watch football so that
I can learn new synonyms for "Smash". 
   "Synonyms are my life" - Bull (Night Court)
Maybe you should change the name of this area to TV guide - we
need to discuss something philosopical like -
  .
 .
"How many angels can swim in the head on a beer"
                       TTTTTTThrud
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: book           
Date & Time: 06/14/90 09:01:53
Message Number  5912

Hm.  I really didn't like WHO CENSORED ROGER RABBIT very much at all.
As a mystery it bit rocks, since the murderer isn't a character until
the last few pages.  The film isn't even loosely based on	 the book as
far as I could tell; they just used three character names.
    Some of the ideas in the book were cute, but they were overshadowed
by the fact that none of the characters in it were believable at all.
The plot itself managed to be hackneyed, which is a considerable trick
given the setting he used -- which wasn't nearly as interesting a
setting as the movie's.  And, the author had absolutely none of the
subtlety present in the script.  The Hollywood of his book was the
Hollywood of 1970's California cop shows; the 1930's "film noir" setting
worked much better.  The concept of Toontown was something that Wolf
(the author) probably didn't have the originality to come up with, yet
the differences between the Toon world and reality -- with the
undercurrents of racism -- formed one of the most interesting themes
in the movie.  "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" wasn't really a mystery at all,
and it wasn't as racy as WHO CENSORED ROGER RABBIT wanted to be, but it
was infinitely more complex.  This was one of those rare cases where
Hollywood's "trashing" of the original storyline turned out to be a
very good thing indeed.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: Party???       
Date & Time: 06/14/90 09:11:56
Message Number  5913

I'm not.  "Promises" and "Double-Edged Tavern" were doing the best and
"Ace of Spades" (which would have been renamed "Ace of Swords" for
arcane reasons) was, evidently, too complex for most people to get a
grip on.  Since you're on your way to merrily overflowing the Tavern,
telling people what they can and can't do, and once again expecting
everyone to have memorized the several thousands of pages of notes you
seem to have on your world instead of being willing to play along with
the unexpected (and perhaps even silly), I'm going to try to bring back
"Promises" in the form it evolved into during your long modem absence.
You might have noticed that since you started strangling the Tavern
with your typical huge-storyline-ignoring-everyone-else, working very
hard at removing any possibility of character interaction, the level of
posting there has dropped off dramatically.  In fact, I'm the only one
to post there in about two weeks and I get my character threatened by
the "referee."
   I bet playing a normal RPG with you as dungeon master is pure hell.
You can be an extremely creative person yourself, but you seem to have
little or no tolerance for creativity on anyone else's part in your
world.  This is something you "risk" when you let people into your
creations; if you keep stifling them, they won't come back.  It's that
simple.  As I said on C. of C., have fun p1aying with y0urse1f, d00d.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/14/90 10:52:12
Message Number  5914

You realize that T-backs cause sin.  Why, I bet Satan himself designed
these T-backs.  Sin, lust, and animal sacrifices are all connected
with T-backs.  On another not, Rich Unger (owner of "Hot Flash" and pro-
T backer) will be on Donahue[^-e] this Wednesday along with some other
folks from Sarasota.  I'm tempted to make a T-back out of the American
flag.  I'd love to see what kind of trouble I'd get into.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THRUD               
Subject: Play Ball!     
Date & Time: 06/14/90 10:56:28
Message Number  5915

Every time I say baseball is boring, I usually get assualted with 
comments like "It's the great American pasttime, you must love it," or
when I comment on the lack of action in the game I get "You must have a
short attention span."  Gads...baseball...yech...I prefer watching the 
local high school ladies teams play basketball.  The occasional fight is
wonderful.  To bad my school doesn't have a basketball team, or any othe
HS sports team for that matter.
 
  ...or a structure that could survive a wind storm.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/15/90 00:01:52
Message Number  5916

Exchanging the person for an equivalent volume on air on the planet's
surface is a /really bad/ idea if the air on the planet's surface is
toxic, of a different density as the air on the ship, contaminated
with microorganisms, etc. Putting it in space is a better idea, but
you still have the problem of what to do with all the excess energy
the person has when he materializes on the planet's surface. Also,
here's another problem: suppose it takes one second to materialize. 
On this planet, in one second any given point on the planet's surface
will have moved about seventeen miles. So not only is the individual in
question going to materialize with a few hundred thousand newton's
worth of excess energy, he's going to materialize in a smear that's
about seventeen miles long. Eww...yuck!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:05:06
Message Number  5917

  > "Saturday Night Live", and "Late Night"...
 
  Yeah! Those are definetely in my top five shows (which I really have
never organized). Late Night is so weird and silly, I can't help but 
crack up. Things like "Show Us Your Photos Please" and visits from Terri
Garr and Pheobe Cates are really great to watch... Saturday Night Live 
is pretty unpredictible. I'd love to see it live someday.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: book           
Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:11:37
Message Number  5918

  Yes, I thought it was kind of rude to introduce the murderer at the 
end. Anyway, I have no idea why I seemed to really like the book. The 
idea of racism you mentioned from the film seemed to be presented in the
book pretty clearly. The ideas in the book were quite strange. I can't 
think how you could live with someone[thing?] where you have to READ 
everything they say. The idea of doppelgangers appealed to me. Pretty 
practical idea, too. I was thinking if you reworked the story in the 
book, gave it a different ending (my idea would be to have the genie of 
the ending make Roger's doppel real, something I suspected might happen
when the book went off into the kettle thing toward the end), and you 
might have an interesting sequel to make into a film. 
  I don't know why I liked it, but the fact that the teakettle becomes 
more and more important (even though you figured it had no significance)
was neat (to me)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:20:55
Message Number  5919

> ^-e
 
 To the power of negative e?? Interesting idea. What's the deal?
 
> Make a T-back out of the American flag...
 
 That's a pretty good line. Something you expect from a political 
cartoon (or Dave Barry, maybe)...
  Why NOT do it? It'd get some of those politicians on your back, but 
that's about the only way you can get them to do anything, isn't it??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Play Ball!     
Date & Time: 06/15/90 02:23:48
Message Number  5920

 Hey, dude, I hate baseball also. I hate football, I hate basketball, I 
hate hockey, and I bet I hate lacrosse also. I can't STAND sports! I 
like watching them less than participating in them. I'd probably get 
slaughtered PLAYING football, but I'd die of boredom WATCHING it.
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:31:09
Message Number  5921

Well, I was thinking that they would have to transpose whatevere atmo-
sphere that the person who was beamed down displaced into space.  Do to
possible poisen in the atmosphere.  Just mussing...
 
     Tree
Hmmmmmm
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:33:28
Message Number  5922

Who's your favorite wrestler? (Or as my grandmother would say WRASTLER..
 
 Pinned Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: G-strings...   
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:35:03
Message Number  5923

Yes, legally there will not be any in the state of Florida...
  It's a sad thought really, most of the people who wear G strings are
not fashion models, and are quite funny to look at.  I disagree with the
goverment on princaple only, not because I believe that people should
go about with there as hanging out.
   Barnett Bank had a mural done by a local artist, and it had a figure
of some greek maybe David, anyway the figure is on all Sarasota County
cars with them tags on it...  Since I seem not to be able to think right
now, Ill just get to the point.  The artist covered the genitalia with
a sea gull... as a joke, but also as a warning.  People try and cover
up things that they try and repress...  Repression leads to violent acts
and crazyness.. just look around, and you will see plenty of craziness.
 
    Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: weighted 4.2   
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:43:29
Message Number  5924

   Sarasota has one good thing... now if I can only think of it...
 
        Ohh yeah, Me.
 
 Just kidden, Sarasota has many good things.  I just can't think of any.
     Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: RUFUS               
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:45:40
Message Number  5925

Make a T-back out of an American flag, burn it while wearing it,smoke
some crack and run for mayor. (Get a few prostitutes to hang around
too)... You might get elected... If not, you can always sell time shares
 
      Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:49:38
Message Number  5926

People glow when they materialize.  Just let that excess energy form a
positive charge, and the energy could go into earth... I got a B- in
physics so Im an expert (Did better in chem, got an A)  Anyway the
seventeen mile long smear would not matter, cause this should not really
work anyway.  Unless, the computer kept track of were the person was
supposed to be and kept pinpointing that spot, even if it moved.  But
if the planet wobbles a bit, then you might have feet here, arms there,
ect.  Eww....yuck again!
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: BEATLE              
Subject: rap music      
Date & Time: 06/15/90 04:55:38
Message Number  5927

New York is definetly the place to be to see live Tv... and if you
can't get in to the shows, just grab a bag of Nachos and watch the
homeless die of exposure...
 
      The Big Apple...Not enough to go around.
 
   Tree
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: beam me up     
Date & Time: 06/15/90 05:04:03
Message Number  5928

 
 I was ta1king time trave1 dip1acement. in that case, a pers0n/0bject 
C0u1d remetab01ize int0 s01id r0ck, because the s01id r0ck w0u1d return
t0 where the pers0n/0bject just 1eft.
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/15/90 05:06:55
Message Number  5929

 
  Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage, Earthquake, JYD, Sting, The Sam0ans, Kerry
V0n Erich, and a few 0thers. Mr. Perfect's at the t0p 0f the 1ist.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Rap & T-backs  
Date & Time: 06/15/90 17:40:36
Message Number  5932

>Why NOT do it [make a T-back out of a flag]? It'd get some of those
>politicians on your back, but that's about the only way you can get
>them to do anything , isn't it??
 
Well, errr, yeah, but the thing you get them to do when they get on your
back is throw you in jail. NOT helpful.
 
...if the purpose of a law punishable by a prison sentence is to protect
the members of society from something (say, being murdered, or having
their wallets taken), then what evil, nasty thing are you protecting
society from by imprisoning a person whose breasts are not "covered
by an entirely opaque material from the top of the nipple to the bottom
of the breast"?
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: BBS LIST       
Date & Time: 06/15/90 20:38:54
Message Number  5934

Do you have access to a Pinelas bbs list?
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ALL                 
Subject: slow day       
Date & Time: 06/15/90 20:42:16
Message Number  5935

Jeez, 14 hours between calls, and yall didn't post diddly. I might take
up watching TV. Nah. No ball games on. Maybe I'll read some Tom Clancy.
Just to let you know, twas a good las 24 hours. Did my accounting final
last night - right on the A - B cusp, I hate to screw up  my GPA, but 
I'm so damn glad to be through with that class, I'll take the B with
a smile. THEN - I was working on the home of a golf club manufacturing
executive (with about 200 clubs in his garage) and vollenteered to 
field test a few - and he GAVE me the sand wedge of my dreams. Oh
happy day. 
             Acme Thrud be gone.
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/16/90 01:50:01
Message Number  5936

   Thats quite a list...  The thing I hate about wrestling is comentater
s.. they are so stupid!
                             Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rap & T-backs  
Date & Time: 06/16/90 01:52:51
Message Number  5937

>what evil, nasty thing are you protecting society from imprisoning a 
>person whose breasts are not "covered by an entirely opaque material
>from the top of the nipple to the bottom of the breast"?
 
   They are trying to protect people from rape, insest, and bagels...
(With double cream cheese) 
 
  Thats what they will have you to believe!
 
    NEWS FLASH....
 
   The Catholic Church has threatend catholic senators and crongress
people with excomunication if the officials to not take an anti-
abortion stance.
 
         There are similarities between the above.  Both are trying to
control our morality.  This is not a function of goverment! (or should
not be at least!
 
          Tree
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:16:14
Message Number  5938

>Ancient Sumer. Bef0re war.
  
Before war it was called Survival of the Fittest. War is just selective
breeding on a larger scale...If ya can't f*ck 'em, kill 'em.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Incidentally,  
Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:18:20
Message Number  5939

You're probably correct to a degree. I've installed AutoCAD v10 on
a PC at work to use for some light design (and expand our limited
present system) and I think I have been 're-installing' it for about
six monthes. If I knew more about the software I would of known about
setting LISPHEAP, LISPSTACK, ACADFREERAM, and stuff in AUTOEXEC.BAT and
how to do extendedLisp functions and re-allocate RAM usage to optimize
the graphics response, what TSR to allow, how to sub-divide the hard 
disk to keep drawing files from floating around with the operating
system and a ton of other stuff I keep learning daily. I wish the 
software vendor knew as much as I do now, I would've spent my time
working 'with', not 'on' AutoCAD......sssssSNAKEBYTE .   .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:23:34
Message Number  5940

And what do we get for our military $$$$$? A bunch of idle 'threats'
that we had better not use that end up rusting away on some base in
Alaska. And where would we be if that money were spent on constructive
(as opposed to destructive) sciences???? Probable running 96,000,000baud
modems hooked to our 1,000,000 gigabyte wrist-watch PC.!.!.!.!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Money talks    
Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:27:10
Message Number  5941

Well spoken! I get NASA TECH BREIFS at work and some of the stuff
that is NASA related is unbelievable. Without the militaries 
backing, NASA would most likely be lacking a lot of other things
as well, like the Shuttle for instance. "Let's see, we'll build a
ship that can carry a payload in space the size of a railroad car 
(or a spy satalite, or a laser weapon, or a missle detector, or
a first wave strike launcher), and we'll use it to conduct science
experiments (or weapons tests) and benifit mankind (or our military
strength and power to push dem damn Russians outta offa the Earth).
Hmmmmmm. Yeah, the government will back the shuttle.".....
  
.....damn politics.
 
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not FemTalk    
Date & Time: 06/16/90 02:34:46
Message Number  5942

I'm affraid someone did say being a parent was easy. Howie Madel
said (after announcing his wive's pregnancy) "Hey don't clap. It's no
big deal. I just fucked my wife".
    I'm not trying to advocate banning anything. If I had my choice of
groups to squash out of existence, gays would be well below many others.
I want to quote Sam Kineson about gays and AIDS, "Thanks for the black
plague of the eighties, guys", but I know that isn't a good stance. I
would rather quote Paul Rodreguez by saying "Sorry guys, but my ass
is definitely an EXIT only". (sorry for the Comedy Club quotes...)
    I guess I'm just taking my stance that I don't aggree with it, so
I formed an opinion on it. Just like I don't aggree with power-hungrey
dicks with 30-06's blowing a deer's heart out at 1/2-mile away and
calling it a sport, I've got an opinion on that too. Like any other
parent, you tend to mold your children into your shoes, and right or
wrong, all parents do it. I don't feel guilty about my opinions nor
about wanting to guide my kids down the road I have driven. It seems
to have been engraved in my personality to have the skin crawl up my
arms and make me shudder to think about their attraction to each other.
Then again, I've seen some women that would turn me off of females
forever if I ever saw them naked........yuck
You can do what you like, just don't do it around me and I won't 
throw-up on your shoes......otay????
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:51:25
Message Number  5944

  
   Y0u mean 1ike the WWF? Vic McMah0n is the rea1 0wner 0f the WWF, n0t
Jack Tunney (Just s0me guy). I think he writes the dia10gue f0r them,
especia11y Jesse Ventura.
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:54:14
Message Number  5945

 
  This was a time bef0re that. 
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Not FemTalk    
Date & Time: 06/16/90 03:57:43
Message Number  5946

 
   If there are en0ugh trees 1eft in the united states in ab0ut 7 years
t0 ba ca11ed a f0rest, I'm m0ving there. I hate civi1izati0n, (but whi1e
I'm in it I'11 be ca11ing AR!). Watch f0r my BBS (as s00n as I get my 
keyb0ard fixed and get a j0b s0mewhere that'11 hire me).
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/16/90 04:03:21
Message Number  5947

 I meant Vince
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: reruns wrestle 
Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:29:39
Message Number  5948

Yesm, like the WWF.  Boring, repetitve dialoug (its 4:30 and I spell 
even worse this late!) with fake excitement.  I think that the wrestlers
can be quite proffesional and fun to watch, but they should can the
talk, or at least have something more intelligable to say. 
      
  much like me
  muk tike lee
 
        Poetree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:36:39
Message Number  5949

> This was a time bef0re that.
 
  Have I been lax?  What does that mean?
 
      Tree
===========

From: SPE11WIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/17/90 04:55:46
Message Number  5950

 
 Bef0re war g0ds inspired by war-10ving pe0p1es.
 
  Hangin' r0und the 01' firti1e crescent
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: BBS LIST       
Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:34:02
Message Number  5951

>Do you have access to a Pinelas BBS list?
 
Nope, 'fraid not. Don't even have any numbers for random single
BBSes in Pinellas floating around...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:43:10
Message Number  5952

>There are similarities between the above. Both are trying to
>control our morality. This is not a function of our government!
 
Depends on who you ask. According to fine, moral, upstanding citizens
like Charles W. Keating Jr, it is very much a function of government.
The honorable Mr. Keating appointed himself an "expert" on pornography
(he was an expert, you see, on the grounds that he had talked to dozens
of priests about the effects of pornography on children) and testafied
in front of the Meese Commission on Pornography, during which time he
said things like "It is common knowledge that masturbation causes
physical and psychological problems and can lead to insanity," "I say,
hell yes, legislate morality, and then enforce those laws!" "Pornography
is destructive to the well-being of women and children," etc, etc, ad
naseum. Six months later he was in front of a Congressional panel again,
this time saying "On the advice of my attorney I have decided to
excercise my Fifth Amendment rights" when asked about his role in
virtually singlehandedly causing the collapse of over a dozen S&L
institutions.
 
Obviously, Mr. Keating, a bastion of moral righteousness who will shine
on as a splendid role model for us all, never did really quite get the
hang of the whole "morality" thing. I wonder if it bothers him that his
actions were destructive to the well-being of investors in his S&L's,
some of whom were presumably women and children...
 
There is a problem with allowing someone else to dictate your morality--
does anyone /really/ think that Keating, or our illustrious governor,
or any other politician (or anyone else for that matter) is a terribly
fit guardian of the public morality? Any time anyone offers (or insists)
to guide our moral behavior, I think it's time to take a long, hard look
at that person and what he stands to gain from his selfless act.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: NASA History   
Date & Time: 06/17/90 15:58:59
Message Number  5953

Speaking of politics, NASA, and the space shuttle: Are you familiar at
all with the Dyna-Soar project started by NASA in the early 50's? The
idea was to create a winged, single-stage-to-orbit, reusable vehicle
that could ferry large quantities into space and return by landing on
a conventional runway. The Dyna-Soar was part of a larger project that
had a timeline something like: early space stations by the end of the
60's, permanently manned space stations and a moon shot by the end of
the 70's, permanently manned moon bases by the 80's and 90's. The
vehicles themselves would probably have ended up smaller than the
current space shuttle, but they had a few advantages, like the fact
that they were supposed to have on-board air-breating jet engines so
they could land under power. The Dyna-Soar project was scrapped by
Kennedy's declaration that "we will land a man on the moon by the end of
the 60's." Well, we did, but I wonder what the world would be like now
if the original plan had been stuck to. (assuming, of course, that the
government could be persuaded to provide funding for that long, and that
it didn't fall into any of a number of various political sandtraps,
and so forth).
 
Now, of course, we have moon rocks embedded in Lucite and a Tinker Toy
space shuttle that just plain doesn't work as advertised, and
frequently doesn't work at all.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/17/90 16:10:00
Message Number  5954

>>The time before Sumer was called Survival of the Fittest.
 
>This was a time bef0re that.
 
The time before the advent of survival of the fittest was, in fact, very
quiet and peaceful, with no violence and no war...BECAUSE THERE WERE NO
LIVING ORGANISMS. Survival of the fittest has been the rule of nature
since the time of the first two amoebas.
 
Contrary to what you may find in books written by radical femenists and
nestled between scholarly works on the culture of Atlantis and
descriptions of how crystal power can be made to synchronize with
universal rythms in out-of-the-way New Age bookstores, there ain't ever
been a human civilization of any size (with more than, say, 50 members
or so) that's been entirely free of strife, violence, and other sun-
shiny things. I know lots of people will claim that this or that
ancient society that nobody's ever heard of was Utopian in every way,
and then generally go on to add "...because it was organized around the
political views that I happen to endorse," if you actually go back and
look at the real evidence you'll be disappointed.
 
Even Cro-Magnon man was prone to bashing his fellows upon the head with
the jawbone of an ass.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/17/90 20:27:56
Message Number  5955

I've often wondered where we would be if all the money and man-power
spent of military R&D was spent on say, medical research.  It boggles
the mind.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANYONE              
Subject: Saturday       
Date & Time: 06/17/90 20:35:31
Message Number  5956

A recent trip to Tampa on Saturday raised three questions that I have
not been able to answer...
1) Would the film "Akira" been as good if it had been called, say "Bob?"
2) Will my parents get me anything similar to the SOL orbiting destructo
death beam?  If not, maybe a Harrier Jump Jet, and if not that, that 
really spiffy motorcycle.
3) Why in the hell did I drink about 8 glasses of water before
returning to Sarasota?  I'm sure Ken found ever bump on I-75.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Saturday       
Date & Time: 06/17/90 23:07:31
Message Number  5958

 > Would the film "Akira" have been as good if it was called, say,"Bob"?
 
  Who knows? It could become a cult classic and end up on Jeopardy in 
the "Bobs and Roberts" category. Where will "Akira" fit in? "Japanese
Film"? "Movies Shown in Tampa, FL in Converthed Theatres"? "Fluid 
Animation"? I think if we want these categories, we have to write to 
the producers. Then, we have to convince them that we DO have better 
things to do than suggest useless Jeopardy categories, and they hadn't 
occurred to us at that moment.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Saturday       
Date & Time: 06/17/90 23:12:30
Message Number  5959

 Forgive me for messing  up your quote... It should have been more like:
 
> 1) Would the film "Akira" have been as successful if it had been 
> called, say, "Bob"?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Saturday       
Date & Time: 06/18/90 17:08:38
Message Number  5962

How dare you mess up my quote.  You worthless slug spit in the gum 
stuck to the shoe of society.
 
  ...actually, I wouldn't have noticed it at all.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ANYONE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/18/90 22:58:54
Message Number  5964

 I seem to have an odd feeling that someone here used to be a projection
person at a theatre. Or possibly, you might just know about it.
  Anyway, here's the question:
 When I went and saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the film was pretty 
good for a 12 year old print, but it had some sections at the start and 
end of the reels that were cut. Is this just because of age or the way 
the film was assembled? And second, the curtains of the theatre closed a
couple times and the lights and projector varried. The manager explained
to the 15 people who showed that they had a problem with "onboard cues" 
or something. I need more info, because I am kinda mixed up. I want long
and detailed explainations. I can always use more strange facts. Who 
knows, maybe someday I'll become a projectionist and have to replace a 
spliced section of a kiddie cartoon with "Demon Lover".
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Date & Time: 06/19/90 01:40:57
Message Number  5966

Gee, this clock is just a few seconds ahead of my watch -- Isn't that 
interesting?  Which reminds me -- If every clock is different, how can
anyone be on-time!?  HHmmm -- On the subject of Time, travling it is 
impossible unless you are carrying an American Express and some Visa
travler's checks -- Disney dollars also help, because they are
accepted all over the word -- What we need are McDollars
!!  Which leads me to the fact that every 6-piece Chicken McNugget I
have ordered /always/ had 6-pieces -- Don't these people ever screw
up?  WHat if all chickens fell off the face of the Earth?  We'd have to
eat Tofu McNeggets, doesn't sound good...What is tofu anyways?  Sounds
like a Japaneese name to me -- Which reminds me, Akira was pretty cool,
but the ending was one of those deep-thought things that no American 
can make heads or tails of...Speaking of those endings, Total Recall 
was a total mind-fuck and needs to be banned from the face of the
Earth until the producers decide if it was actually real or a dream...
What if life is all a dream?  It may be like the dream machine --
Just a big video game -- Like TRON except even better!  Gee, TRON is
a Basic Language command -- Basic isn't the best tho, but I hear GFA
basic is cool -- It runs on the Amiga, which makes multitasking pretty
easy, even when programming a Basic program...But I hear the PC/Z has
better multitasking -- Maybe the Z-System should be made for the AMiga.
 
Anyhoo -- That's why this message is in the Z-Sig!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Date & Time: 06/19/90 13:39:53
Message Number  5967

Ken, are you feeling all right?  Too much Diet Caffeine Free Taste free
Pepsi?  Or maybe you needed sleep?!  Tofu, besides being this white
substance which can be coaxed into tasting like anything, is the sequal
to Akira.  Ya see, Akira had an affair with someone which resulted in an
offspring named Tofu.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: MilTalk        
Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:18:56
Message Number  5969

>I've often wondered where we would be if all the money and man-power
>spent of military R&D was spent on, say, medical research.
 
That's easy. We'd all have life expectancies of 150 years, the common
cold would be about as common as typhoid, and a broken leg would be
considered at most a minor inconvenience. On the other hand, nobody
would program in Ada and we wouldn't have to sit through endless inane
"Be All You Can Be (tm)" TV commercials, either ("When I dropped out of
high school, I could barely figure out how to work a gumball machine,
but now I'm responsible for designing the communications network for
the entire eastern seaboard!"). I guess you gotta take the bad with
the bad.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Saturday       
Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:26:11
Message Number  5971

"You worthless slug spit in the gum stuck to the shoe of society"...
I like that. I'll have to put it in my list of Quotes I'm Dying To Use
In The Course Of A Normal Conversation But Will Probably Never Get The
Opportunity To Use...along with "It's my fault your mommie and daddy
turned into monsters" (from Iczer One).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:29:32
Message Number  5972

As a matter of fact, I used to be a projectionist at a theater, so maybe
I can help. Cuts at the beginning and end of the reels are normal,
since every time you put a movie up you splice the reel ends together
and when you tear it down you cut off about 1 or 2 frames on each
side of the splice. (When you wind the film back onto the shipping
reels, you also splice reel protectors onto each end, so the next person
who puts the film up cuts them off and loses another couple of frames.)
As a general rule, a reel is no longer considered to be viewable if
it's missing 5 or more frames at one splice, so a print generally makes
it to about 5 theaters before it ends up at 99-cent houses and gets
retired. The "cues" are small pieces of magnetic tape that the
projectionist attaches to the print as he's putting it up to control
things like the automatic shutter and (on newer projectors) the lens
changer and sound system; the placement of the magnetic tape depends
on the equipment being used by that theater, and in any event it's
/supposed/ to be removed when the film is taken down (although as
often as not a print will arrive at a theater with half a dozen
little pieces of silver tape stuck to its edge). Also, some
projectionists will use White-Out to mark the edge of the film where
two reels are joined to make it easier to take down the film (when
you're breaking it down, it's sometimes /real/ difficult to locate the
ends of the reels), and the White-Out can confuse some projection
equipment.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Date & Time: 06/19/90 16:40:32
Message Number  5973

>What is tofu, anyways?
 
Bean curd.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:02:01
Message Number  5974

I don't believe it.....It is a plot by those damn foireigners to take
away our all American beef fat!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Iczer One      
Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:39:56
Message Number  5975

I'm currently trying to pass a law requiring all females to be naked
when operating anything capable of destroying entire city blocks with
one mis-step.  I figure it will cut down on the amount of females
operating these things /and/ make for interesting viewing.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/19/90 22:43:16
Message Number  5976

Your a Turtle chock full 'o information.  Amazing stuff (really).
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/19/90 23:37:43
Message Number  5977

  I agree completely.  I just heard a story today.  I do not know the
validity, but I believe it to be true.
 
  A couple with a child visiting from Michigan came to visit Florida.  
They came to enjoy the beach.  So the family went to the beach with
their dog.  The women got out of the car, and the dog jumped out.  The
man got out, holding a beer.  The child got out throwing a frisbee.
The women was also holding a Coca-Cola (in a glass bottle).  They went
onto the beach.  A drive-by cruiser saw them get out of the car, then
proceded to arrest the whole family.  He then had their car towed and
took them downtown and they were booked.  Now granted, the arresting
officer was young, inexperienced, and generaly behaving like many police
do.  The Sergant had to book them because they had already been arrested
  The family had to post bond, then get there car out of inpound (for
60$)...
 
  To me this is a horror story, and it looks like the wave of the future
With road blocks becoming constitutional, and more morality laws being
innacted, we may soon be in a police state.
      Pretty scary stuff.
           Tree beard
===========

From: ANDREW              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Hiya           
Date & Time: 06/20/90 09:48:07
Message Number  5979

I just thought Id say Aloha, this is my first time on this BBS
it looks great so far... see ya
 Andrew
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/20/90 13:50:51
Message Number  5982

A Turtle chock full 'o information? Sounds like it has great marketing
potential: Puzzled? Confused? Hopelessly adrift in a world where all
seems vague and uncertain? Call Turtle Chock Full O' Information
Services now. Fast, friendly responses to your most knotty questions.
Here's a sample:
 
Satisfied Customer: "How do I untie a Gordian knot?"
Turtle: "Use your sword, of course!"
Satisfied Customer: "Gee, thanks! I never would have thought of that!"
 
That's Turtle Chock Full O' Information Services, Inc. Call Now!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 06/20/90 15:44:01
Message Number  5983

Point taken! :>  So, how've you been?  It's safe to assume we haven't
spoken in a while.  My computer had a first class heart attack.....
mother board bit rocks (Franklin, tm.).  Anyhow....keep in touch!
             -The Lady In Black
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/21/90 17:28:30
Message Number  5987

  Thanks for the answers... that really shed some light on the subject. 
BUT, why can't they take splice the reel ends off where the two ends 
meet? You don't really have to lose frames, do you?? 
  Anyway, when Ken Ober and I are seeing Star Trek II at Litchfield with
about 15 others, when it gets over, I suggested that we ask to see the 
projection booth. I think it will  be an interesting and educational 
experience... great, now I sound like a high school teacher.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/21/90 17:33:04
Message Number  5988

> Pretty scary stuff.
 
  Well, that may not have been the best way to deal with the beach 
situation, but when you are not supposed to have pets, glass, or alcohol
on the beach and one family brings them ALL on the beach, something 
should be done.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:27:42
Message Number  5989

  
     ....gee Mr. Science, was that before they changed the water?
   
   
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: Not FemTalk    
Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:29:04
Message Number  5990

    Geeeeez, wish I could afford to set up a BBS.....<sigh>. Oh well,
I can barely find the time to be a user, let alone a sysop. What kind
of job are you lookin' for...I got a few 'connections' in the area.
Hope you get your keyboard fixed before your hands get addicted to 
typing 1's and 0's instead of L's and O's....
   
    I w0u1d 1ike t0 get a j0b at y0ur 10ve1y c0mapny as 10ng as
y0u d0n't make me use the keys t0 the right 0f the 'I' and the 'K'...
  
....would make for a 'cute' resume.....see ya'
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: NASA History   
Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:35:50
Message Number  5991

   I have a relative that worked on the Titan missles and the division
he worked for almost folded, until the Columbia oops. I think we'd be
better off if we had a division on science and govenment kinda like
what we've got between church and state. No taxes on space projects,
free reign...etc. We could have Praise The Launch TV shows (PTL...haha)
and raise more money then Uncle Sam has ever dropped into NASA's begging
cup. Maybe if we got Russia and US to get along, we could dump a few 
bills into the space program that WEREN'T intended to used for military
weapons shortly down the road.......three, two,  one......uhhhhhh
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:41:14
Message Number  5992

    Unfortunately, a lot of the medical research is under the control
of <yuck>...businessmen. I have even heard rumors that if the doctors
discovered a cure for cancer, the American Cancer Society would have 
them 'rubbed out' to keep their thousands of employees and millions of
governemt dollars rolling in. Someone even suggested that a cure for
cancer was discovered in the sixties, but it is too BIG a business now
to let it out. I think about all the people that mighta died in the
last few years to save the bottom line.......sh*t!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/21/90 19:52:37
Message Number  5994

   Okay Mr. Science, I need a little help. A computer at work woke up
dead the other day and when we sent it out for service, they had 
replaced the hard disk (said the old one wasn't responding right and
they didn't have the equipment to service it). They yanked out the old
one a freind brought it back and gave it to me. It is a 40 mB, 977cyl,
5 head Magnetic Peripherals drive, P/N 40300. Yes for a PC compatable.
I took it home at hooked it up to my power supply and the motor runs and
when I hooked my cables up to it, the heads moved across the disk, 
waited, moved out to the parked(?) position and the solenoid to lock the
heads kicked back in and the drive motor shut-off with the LED on the
front blinking on and off. Everything seems to be 'mechanically' okay,
but I'm no Hard Disk Man myself. Any ideas on what could be done to
fix 'er up? Also, my driver controller card has a flat cable run to the
floppies that both plugs come off one cable, but my hard disk only has
a single plug on its' cable. There is another power plug for another
disk drive...can I just get another cable to run another HD from my
card?......let me know, I'd like to take my memory hog PC up to
72Mb cheap if I can.....s'later
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 06/21/90 21:57:43
Message Number  5995

> Anyhow....keep in touch!
 
Gee, do I have to?  Oh by the way, did you know that Bart is almost as
anal retentive as Turtle?
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/21/90 22:08:07
Message Number  5996

1. Do you have one or two flat cables running to your hdd?
2. How many drive bays do you have, and how many are you using?
 
If you have a IBM PC, or another machine with full height floppy drives
count each drive bay as 2 bays (as one can mount 2 half height devices
in each).  It should be relatively easy to add a second HDD to your
system, especially if you have a MFM or RLL hard disk in it now (as
these are the most common for ms-dos machines they are also fairly 
inexpensive).            -Raven
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/22/90 03:43:29
Message Number  5997

   Yes, I agree something should have been done.  
 
     A:  They are from out of state and do not realize how backward
         Sarasota can be.
 
     B:  It may be posted at points on the beach, but the ordaninces are
         not posted at all paths to the beach.
 
     C:  I'm in a bad mood.
 
  At the best, the officer could have issued a warning.  Not arrested 
the whole family (including a child).  Or, the officer could have 
written some tickets.  But he did not have to arrest them.  It is
illogical to have a state the depends on tourism for it's budjet to
send them home spreading tales of woe.   What has to happen?  A few
more dogs get shot?  Or perhaps a kid cause he won't put down his
frizbee...
 
             Treeee
===========

From: MMA                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/22/90 11:32:36
Message Number  6000

HMmmmm...interesting. I think it's a neat name. I just use my initials.
So far about 3 people asked what the middle 'm' stood for. To save you 
the trouble of asking,it stands for McDonald(no relation to the burger 
clown)
I've never heard of a rotary slide rule. How did you come across it?
I also have a wild imagination,it's a little on the sick side though.
 
OJ (Obligatory Joke)
What do you do if you come across an elephant in the jungle?
 
Wipe it off,and say you're sorry.
'Bye,
MMA
(l-house)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 06/22/90 14:08:09
Message Number  6001

NO, CAN'T SAY THAT I DID....AND, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: * AKIRA STUFF *
Date & Time: 06/22/90 18:34:13
Message Number  6002

Just to tell everyone, I have found in the AniMajic catalog 2 different
CD versions of the Akira soundtrack -- ALso, Akira is availible on VHS 
tape for about $95 -- I wonder if that is translated, or atleast
sub-titled -- They don't say much about the videos -- I should call and
find out -- ANyways, I think the soundtrack was $24.95 -- If anyone
wants information, I can find it for 'em...
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: * AKIRA STUFF *
Date & Time: 06/22/90 18:37:33
Message Number  6003

Most of Animagic's stuff is direct from Japan; if it's not indicated as
subtitled, it probably isn't (there /is/ a subtitled version of it out
there but it's not an "official" release as far as I know).  Streamline
Pictures, the company that produced the English language version of
Akira, has indicated they are planning to release it and other Japanese
movies they own the English-language rights to in translated versions on
videotape and videodisc, but nothing definite has been set.  But at
any rate, if you order from Animagic, Anime Mart or one of the other
import places, be prepared to get an original copy of whatever you
ordered in the exact form a Japanese consumer would if they walked into
the Japanese equivalent of Camelot or Blockbuster Video, not one that
has been even slightly repackaged for American audiences....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:52:09
Message Number  6004

Let me try this...
Often befudled Rufus: "Just what's a Gordian knot?  Is that like when 
you mess up tying your shoe and it gets a really tight knot in it?"
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:55:20
Message Number  6005

I've heard similiar (sp?) stories about an engine that got really good
milage (like 100 mpg) but the oil companies paid the inventor off or
something like that.  I don't know how true it is, but I have heard it
from several different people.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/22/90 19:57:10
Message Number  6006

>automation design engineer
 
Huh?  What exactly is that?  You work on automating things I guess?
I'm thinking of engineering as a major.  Most likely mechanical with
a discipline in bioengineering.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RAVEN               
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:33:14
Message Number  6008

The hard disk I presently have is a Seagate 32Mb HD and it has two flat
ribbon cables running to it (I think one is a 10 and one is a 17 
conductor). I have two floppies (3.5HD and 5.25HD) and an open bay for 
another hard disk. There is an open male pin connector port on my
controller card(I think it was for 10 conductor), but no open port
for the 17 conductor. I have a hard disk, the cabling requirements
match the one I presently have, but I can't get it to run. I think
my first problem is to debug the drive but I ain't no HD wizz. The
one I picked up lists in mail-order houses for about $595, so I'd like
to fix it if possible....thanx
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: MMA                 
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:39:56
Message Number  6009

It wasn't an effort to come across it, at the time the only portable 
calculators cost $$$$$ and were not allowed in class, so my Prof
went out and bought these for everyone. It works the same as a linear
rule, except its made as a dial on a plastic card, accurate to as many
as one significant decimal places....haha. 
  
OJ   If you helped your Uncle Jack on a horse,
         would you help you Uncle Jack off a horse?
  
'Bye back atcha.....ssssssSNAKEBYTE .   .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:44:45
Message Number  6010

Hmmmm. we must be on the same wave length here. I was trying to tell
you about that mpg story, but I typed carburetor about ten times and
couldn't even spell it good enough to not laugh at it (yes, I'm a 
crappy speller and I looked it up this time), so I left it out of
my posting. Unfortunately, I've heard just as many stories about Elvis
being alive, soooooo I don't know what to beleive any more. If its in
print "It's gotta be true". I believe the mpg stories. The oil companies
run a lot more stuff in this country then we know about. I heard that in
the late 60's/early 70's, that because Russia was using a lot of IBM
stuff in their military program, that IBM Service Parts Division had
more clout with the USSR government then the US government. What a world
eh?......
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/22/90 23:50:18
Message Number  6011

>automation design engineer <?>
  
Well, that is what my 'background' is in. My college education was in
Marine Biology. Okay, Automation Design Engineer...we design automatic
assembly systems with robotics, pick-and-place equipment, PLC controls,
servos....etc,etc to manufacture or assemble industrial products from
printed circuit boards to typewriters automatically. Sometimes they are
small machines (10' square) other times they are full factory systems
(ie- the entire plant for IBM Lexington, KY to assemble, test and 
package the Selectric Typewriters from rough/raw components into the
finished product). Right now I am in charge of the CAD group and work
closely with R&D for a company manufacturing pouch form-fill-& seal
equipment and related components. It's not big into hi-tech automation,
but the packaging industry is a little behind others, so the potential
for growth is GREAT. I still dabble in robotics and automation systems
on the side. Mechanical Engineering is fun, but if you deside to take
it up, do everything you can to get hands-on experience. Too many
engineers are book-smart and practical-stupid.
  
   Automate, emmigrate or evaporate..... (President of GE)
 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/23/90 01:06:35
Message Number  6012

Next year I have an externship which will count for one high school 
credit.  All I need to do now is find either a mechanical engineer or
someone who designs prosthetics (that's what I'd really like to do).
I've always been into hands-on stuff.  For instance, I learned just
what sulfuric acid can do when you get it on your hands!  :)
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From: MMA                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 06/23/90 01:57:55
Message Number  6013

Here are a few jokes that I just downloaded from A.U.B.
 
What do you have when you have two little green balls in your hand?
 Kermit's undivided attention.
 
What has 30,000 fee,and still can't walk?
Jerry's kids
 
How many polacks does it take to make chocolate chip cookies?
20. 1 to mix the batter and 19 to peel the M&Ms.
 
Here's a poem to tell your ex-girlfriend (I know you're married,but I 
hope you like it anyway.)
Roses are red
the night is black
Why is your chest as flat as your back.
 
Not knowing what you like,I hope that these don't offend you.
 
M
 M
  A
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:15:36
Message Number  6017

Once the film has been spliced, you can't splice the same frame again;
if you put two layers of tape on the film, it won't go through the
projector very well...
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:17:42
Message Number  6018

>...[if] one family brings them ALL on the beach, something should be
>done.
 
Yeah, something like making less oppressive, anal-retentive laws about
what you can't do on the beach. A list of two hundred and seventeen
activities which are banned on public beaches, aech of which is followed
with "Violators will be persecuted," is not conducive to enjoyment of
public beaches--even if it DOES prevent people from seeing anything
they might not like.
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From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:25:23
Message Number  6019

From what you described, it sounds like there's an error in the
hard disk controller, rather than the drive itself...possibly the
controller can't recognize that drive. Can you get it to do anything
/besides/ park the heads? (IE, when you fire it up, will it try to
seek Cylinder 0 before it parks 'em, or does it just sit there
frantically blinking its light?) It's possble that the drive is too
slow for the controller, or that the drive isn't communicating with
the controller correctly, or that the controller can't tell when the
drive is at cylinder 0...but these are primarily guesswork. Any more
info you can give me would help; also, you might want to ask Raven
about it...
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: film           
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:34:04
Message Number  6020

Just what is a Gordian knot? Rufus, I'm ashamed of you! Go back and
re-read your history books, NOW. (Hint: Look up the life and times
of Alexander the Great.)
 
...go ahead, I'll wait.
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:35:59
Message Number  6021

I've heard (apocryphally) of a mythical "100-miles-per" engine that
got buried by the oil companies, and think they're mostly paranoid
bunk. To start with, a car manufacturer (particularly a foreign
manufacturer, I suspect) would stand to make a LOT of money from
such a device, and the oil companies themselves wouldn't have a great
deal of say in the matter. Automotive manufacturers themselves
don't have any stake in making sure their products guzzle gas;
they aren't the ones who profit by them. Secondly, I suspect that if
there were such a device, it would probably have been replicated by
now. There are certain practical limitations on the efficiency of
any internal combustion engine, and it's difficult to imagine a
gasoline-powered internal-combustion engine capable of driving a car
and getting 100 miles per gallon unless it's going downhill
with a brisk tailwind.
              ...oh well.
              --A realistic Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/23/90 19:45:57
Message Number  6022

>I still dabble in robotics and automation systems on the side.
 
Really? Damn, I have a friend in Ft. Myers who's really big into
armchair engineering--he's been building robots and whatnot since
he was in high school. He builds some pretty impressive stuff. Right
now he's self-employed and fabricates signs and stuff from plastics,
and builds some /really/ bizzare robots out of some of the plastics he
works with. Kind of an interesting hobby...
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From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/23/90 20:12:52
Message Number  6025

 >  A list of two hundred and seventeen activities... even  if it does 
 > prevent people from seeing anything they might not like.
 
  Well, that is true, but my idea of enjoying the beach isn't like
everyone elses. Neither is any particular person's idea. I just don't 
want to go to the beach and step in doggie-doo or cut myself on glass.
Why some beach doesn't allow frisbees, I don't know. What I DO know is 
that I can't stand the beach with cigarette butts all over in the sand. 
It looks sick and I do not want to walk or sit on them, much less have
them stick to my sandy, wet feet. Alcohol on the beach, maybe, but I 
don't like drunk people either.
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From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Engine         
Date & Time: 06/23/90 20:34:21
Message Number  6026

Yes, the engine I heard of ran off of propane and steam and could
get up to 100 and something MPH on only two cylendars.....
 
-- Hidehoheho! --
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From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/24/90 10:25:37
Message Number  6029

Although I haven't been there lately, Clearwater beach used to do
it pretty well. There's a big pier that divides the beach, and on one
side you have music, frisbees, beer, babes, football, whatever, and 
on the other side it's a bit more sedate and oriented to an older 
crowd. Personally, I prefer to hit Turtle Beach (tthanks turtle) about
7 am Sunday with my paper and a jug of coffee, then when the yankees
and bluehairs start showing up I head for my AC, TV, and modem.
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From: THRUD               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Engine         
Date & Time: 06/24/90 10:32:03
Message Number  6030

I heard that the mars launch vehicle will be powered with two AA 
batteries - energizers of course....
Also - Henry Ford is alive and well and living in Lee Ioccocas R&D lab.
Also - JFK jr and wally mondale will be the next Democratic ticket
Also - We'll come up with a subject turtle doesn't know anything about..
           Nah, THAT'll never happpen
                A Sunday BBQ Thrud
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From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/24/90 19:54:51
Message Number  6031

Those bastards, those dirty bastards.  They expect me to wait around
all summer to see what happens?  Those dirty bastards...
 
 
    ...at least the Borg [gee, where'd they get that name] could've
given Jean-Luc some hair.
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From: RAVEN               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:03:05
Message Number  6032

You prob. have either a st-238r or st138r hard drive.  The R stands for 
RLL (Run Length Limited), an encoding method which allows 1.5x the data
to be stored on the drive.  The cables to the drive should actually be
20 and 34 conductor each (but every other line is probably ground).  It
is a simple matter to ad another drive to your system, and another 30
meg drive should be _less_ than $595 (I see 40meg drives retail for
less than that installed).  Give me a call some weekday between 7p and
1a, or even tonight.  My number will be posted in e-mail (M frim the
main menu, oops, that's from).
                    -Raven-
ps. I also know some good disk drive repair places.
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From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:18:40
Message Number  6034

I believe the world record is about 300mpg, but the vehicle had a top 
speed of about 30 mph. It can be done, but who wants to ride a gocart 
to work.  -R
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From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/24/90 21:21:39
Message Number  6035

There is an individual from nc who would be quite interested in this
thread, as he is doing a robotics thesis.
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From: TREE BEARD          
To: RUFUS               
Subject: engines        
Date & Time: 06/24/90 22:02:23
Message Number  6036

The problem with those engines is that they accelerate and go too slow..
remember the first sub-compact cars?  They could get 50mpg highway.
If you read Popular Science March issue I think, they have carbon fiber
and other composites to make engine prototypes that are extremely light
and fast... besides being fuel efficiant.
 
       On another note, remeber the first light bulbs?  There is still
one hanging in a firestation.  It's been burning since Edison made it...
thats quite a few hours.  Now your lucky to get a light bulb to last a
year.
 
             Upp, my warrenties up on my computer
     bye... trkj2948uydosif
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From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me.
Date & Time: 06/24/90 22:55:16
Message Number  6037

Okay, I have run into some extra money that I can use for computer
stuff....(About $300) -- I have a few choices of what I can do with
it...
 
1) Save it for a Hard Drive and wait until I get about $200 more...
 
2) Purchase a cheap used SCSI interface and hope to find a cheap used
   HD (Maybe even 10 Megs or something like that) to go with it...
 
3) [This one involves waiting until Christmas for a Hard Drive.]
   Purchase a Supra Modem Plus for $129 .... This is a 2400 Baud
modem with V.42bis (!?) and MNP levels 2-5 (!?) error-correction
and data-compression ... The (!?) mean that I know nothing about what
these are, how easy they are to use, what they can be used with, or
much else for that matter ... ALl I know is that it gives me 9600 Baud
throughput when I'm calling a modem with the same protocols...Can
you (or anyone else) describe these to me a little bit -- And can the
9600 baud be used with most BBSes I call that have 9600 baud or higher?
(Eg -- /MANY/ boards that I transfer files to and from use Courier HST's
that get 19.2 K-Baud ... Can I get the 9600 Baud with those?)
 
I'd really like to get the modem, but if you don't think it is a good
deal, worth it, etc.. Then tell me which of the first 2 would be the
best idea...
 
Thanks...
 
-Ken Ober
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From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: My BBS         
Date & Time: 06/24/90 23:05:59
Message Number  6038

My BBS (The ABRACADABRA BBS -- 813/378-2218 -- 8-N-1-2400) Still 
has not gotten Paragon yet!  I'm out of answers for everyone because 
I have again lost contact with the author of the software!  He's gone
into "It's time to take all the phones off the hook, lock myself in my
computer den and program the BBS" mode....This usually results in him
being un-reachable for a few weeks, and him announcing a version of the
BBS that is about 20 version numbers higher than the earlier relase. :) 
 
Anyways, he /said/ he was sending out Paragon monday .. I /assumed/ that
meant last Monday -- SO I will /assume/ he has not sent it for one 
reason or another...I will inform everyone when I get ahold of him
again...It should be in a few days -- ANywyas, keep my BBS in your 
dialing directories!  I SHALL RETURN!  :)  hehehehehe...
 
-Ken Ober
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:02:33
Message Number  6039

Prosthetics?!?!  Wow, now that would be an interesting feild. If you
like that, my REAL dream was (and still is) to apply my engineering
skills and my imagination towards film animation (robotics for movies,
sci-fi special effects...etc). I guess if you could design an artificial
limb, you could design one for Godzilla....haha
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: MMA                 
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:05:38
Message Number  6040

.....(cont. from page 1)
  
Why doesn't Santa have any children?
      He only comes once a year and that's down a chimney.
  
Why do women have legs?
      So they don't leave a trail like a slug when they walk.
  
What's the difference between a truck load of bowling balls and
a truck load of dead babies?
      You can't unload the bowling balls with a pitch fork.
   
....welp, you tell ME if you think you offended me.....
     (hope I didn't offend you.......haha)
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:10:28
Message Number  6041

It seeks Cylinder 0 before it parks and mechanically appears to be
functioning fine. The unit was in a PC at work and did the same thing
there as it does at home (and at home it was cabled into my existing
HD cabling which runs my 32Mb Seagate fine). It was functioning okay
at work until a couple weeks ago, just woke up dead. Are you referring 
to the controller card in my PC or the controls circuitry that is
mounted directly to the HD? Do you know anyone that really knows
hard disks and could possibly take a look at it for me? ....Raven??
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:14:31
Message Number  6042

My 'dabbling' has also landed me a trouble a few times. I worked for 
an outfit in North Carolina and we designed and built a dual-headed
NC Router for a wood-working outfit. Before it was shipped I snuck in
and re-programmed it to router out team plaques for all the top NCAA
basketball teams (including logos) and had cut a ton of plaques. I forgo
to re-program in all the production routines and on Monday, my software
and some 'missed' plaques were found in the plant....ooops. Oh well, it
didn't hurt for tooooo long....
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RAVEN               
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:19:05
Message Number  6043

Thanks, I'll be taking you up on that.........
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RAVEN               
Subject: HD Help        
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:23:57
Message Number  6044

It's a little late right now so I'll try and get in touch tomorrow.
If you get near a phone during the day, I can be reached at 359-4027.
That number goes directly to the phone on my desk at work. If it doesn't
get answered after about 6 rings, hang-up because I'm not at my desk and
it will be transferring you to the operator......s'later
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From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: SEARCH.....    
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:34:33
Message Number  6046

A scan can't be terminated once it's started, an unfortunate misfeature
in this rather pathetic excuse for BBS software. It didn't really
hang on you; it just searched backward through ALL the messages in the
file (right now that's about 1,200 messages) using a text-search
algorithm written in FORTRAN 66 that's capable of searching maybe 10
messages a second. It can take a LONG time to scan all the messages...
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:37:17
Message Number  6047

>Why some beaches don't allow frisbees, I don't know.
 
That's an easy one...fear that the county will be sued if someone gets
klonked in the head with aplastic disk, causing him to drop his glasses.
 
>...I can't STAND a beach with cigarette butts all over the sand. It
>looks sick...
 
...so that's a good reason to ban smoking on a beach, neh? And if you
think T-back bikinis look sick, why, ban them, too! And while you're
at it, if you think that bikinis in general look sick, well, get rid
of 'em. Come to think of it, there are some one-piece designs that
are rather revealing and might be considered sick...better get rid of
them while we're at it. Banning something because you think it "looks
sick" is not a good idea, regardless of how good your intentions are
or how liberal your views on other people's objectionable whatever are.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RAVEN               
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:43:44
Message Number  6048

>I believe the world record is about 300mpg, but the vehicle had a top
>speed of about 30 mph.
 
Could it carry more than one rider? Also, was it a gasoline-burning
engine? Small four-stroke engines can get /really/ high mileage when
they're propelling a total of, say, two hundred pounds at thirty miles
per hour, sure, especially when they're running on something like
top fuel or propane. There are, in fact, things you can do to more
conventional gasoline engines to make them fuel-efficient (my Honda
Civic had a 1.5-liter four in it that got almost sixty miles per,
thanks to the fact that it used vector-controlled combustion, but 
Honda's got an airtight patent on CVCC engines...) I don't think you're
gonna get a hundred miles per on a reasonably-sized passenger vehicle
with a gasoline-burning engine, though.
   On an unrelated note, John Deere is now manufacturing a small IC
engine for the military for use in second-generation generators that's a
miracle of efficiency. The engine generates abut sixty horses, burns
just about any flammable liquid (gasoline, kerosene, alcohol, Type A
jet fuel, liquid propane, top fuel, you name it), and fits in a bowling
bag. It's a scavenging engine that uses a modification of vector-
controlled combustion to ignite the fuel in the cylinders. It's not very
practical for vehicles, though; it's /real/ expensive and its RPM range
is rather limited.
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From: TURTLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: Light bulbs    
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:52:12
Message Number  6049

>Remember the first light bulbs? There is still one hanging in a
>firestation. It's been burning since Edison made it... 
 
There's a couple of 'em in Edison's winter home in Ft. Myers, too.
They glow with a dim red light and provide about 7 candlepower of
illumination... :) GE makes a whole bunch of light bulbs for specialized
non-consumer applications that have amazing life expectancies, like the
67.5-watt bulbs used in traffic lights that have a life expectancy of
over 15,000 hours of constant on-off-on-off (which is kind of hard on
light bulbs). There isn't any percentage in making 'em for consumer
use, though, any more than there's a percentage in making lithium
flashlight batteries (sure they'd cost ten bucks for two "D" cells,
but they'd also last for about seven years in normal operation...)
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me.
Date & Time: 06/25/90 00:57:40
Message Number  6050

V.42bis is a data compression algorithm, and MNP is an error-correction/
data-compression protocol. These both can give you an effective through-
put of 9600 baud if you're talking to another modem that's doing
V.42bis or MNP 5, but that doesn't mean you're connected at 9600 baud;
what that means is that if you're sending a bunch of stuff, the modem
will use data compression on it (kinda like what happens when you
archive a file), send it at 2400 baud, and then uncompress it at the 
other end. So you're still talking at 2400 baud, but it takes the same
amount of time to send, say, a text file as it would if you sent it at
9600 baud without compressing it. (If you're sending data that are
already compressed, the effective speed difference won't be nearly as
great). No, you can't talk to HST modems at 9600 baud; you are still
only talking at 2400, and if the HST modem doesn't do MNP you're talking
at plain old ordinary 2400 at that.
 
Myself, I'd recommend saving for a hard drive, particularly if you're
planning to go Fido with the bulletin board. You already have a 2400
baud modem, and not all that many people do MNP, comparatively speaking
...and even fewer still do V.42bis. (Besides, there are also programs
floating around, although I don't know if they're available for
AmigaDOS, that do V.42bis in software.)
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From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 06/25/90 01:05:37
Message Number  6051

If it's seeking Cylinder 0 and then parking, I'd say that for some
reason the drive itself can't tell when it's at Cylinder 0, but
your guess is as good as mine as to why. First guess--the mechanical
sensor in the head-positioning assembly is out of alignment or other-
wise farkled. Since it's not working with any controller, I'd say it's
likely not the controller... :) (Good diagnostics, huh?) I'd also
suggest getting Raven to look at it (oh, Raveeeeen...), since after
all he does service the -deleted- things for a living...I'm not
all that "up" on diagnosing weird HD problems, particularly sight-
unseen.
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From: THRUD               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 09:49:15
Message Number  6052

Dirty bastards ? Methinks you're too kind to the Denubian scumsucking 
incestuaous bilge-drinking dipshits. If you heard a scream from North
Sarasota at 7:59, that was me. It's gonna be a long summer.
So what'll happen now? Will Riker destroy the Borg? Will Q come and 
save the day? Will Jean-Luc (Lucutis of Borg) destroy the Federation, 
or will our chrome domed hero prove to be more than the Borg can handle?
Will Wesley get laid ? (not a chance) 
  Incidently, my brother in law is here from Michigan, and he tells
me that they see new episodes SIX DAYS before us ! What the hell are
we, second class citizens - or is channel 44 a second class operation ?
                     A Thrud in a Quandry - or is that a nebula ?
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From: MMA                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: uncle jack     
Date & Time: 06/25/90 11:08:48
Message Number  6053

NO! I wouldn't help my uncle jack off the horse! I'll let him just fall
off!
MMA
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From: MMA                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 06/25/90 11:12:49
Message Number  6054

I liked the one about santa! I've seen the others before,they're good 
too.
 
What's more amazing than Moby's dick?
Lucille's balls
 
Why do female parachutists wear tampons?
so they don't whistle on the way down!
 
Little miss muffet sat on her tuffet,eating her curds and whey.
Along came a spider,who sat down beside her and said:
"WHAT'S IN THE BOWL B*TCH?!"
 
What do you call a designer condom?
Sergio Prevente'
 
Did you hear about the new car for teenagers?
It's called the C. Everet Coupe Deville. There are no back seats.
 
MMA
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From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:11:00
Message Number  6055

 > Those bastards, those dirty bastards.
 
  At least they gave us a good episode. I hope someone gets Riker to 
take a command. I'm really beginning to hate seeing him. He has bags 
under his eyes and he's getting plumper faster than William Shatner. 
Let's hope if he stays that he keeps his hair, we don't want more dumb
looking toupees.
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From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me.
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:15:17
Message Number  6056

  You see, choices one and two would benefit the users of your BBS and 
allow expanded message capability. Choice 3 would benefit yourself just
about exclusively. I don't think anyone around here has 9600 baud, so 
who could call you at it. Then again, if you think that it's a really 
good deal... it's your money, but why do you want people to tell you how
to spend it?
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From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:18:43
Message Number  6057

> robotics for movies, sci-fi special effects...etc
 
  Hey, when I reach my dream (being a director in the Spielberg/Zemeckis
vein), I'll give you a call!
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From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:22:38
Message Number  6058

> Banning something because it "looks sick" is not a good idea,...
 
  Hey, I did NOT use the word "ban" in my message, it's not even in your
quote from my message. All I'm saying is that someone should find a way 
to keep their litter (butts) off the beach. Compare it to something else
I said. I say that people should be allowed to take glass bottles on the
beach as long as I don't step on them.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:27:59
Message Number  6059

 > ...they see new episodes SIX DAYS before us !
 
  OOh, the wonders of syndication!! Each station tapes the episode on a 
pre-feed (eight days before we get it) and shows it any day in the next 
week. Since weekends are usually more open to weekly syndicated shows, 
and because Sunday has high viewership, Ch. 44 does ST:TNG on Sunday 
night.
 
  Incidentally, I will have access to the conclusion airdate through 
Quantum Link. When I find it, I can access the eight-day early pre-feed 
and see it before you AND your brother-in-law. Guess I'm a first class 
citezen, eh??
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From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Convention!    
Date & Time: 06/25/90 13:35:23
Message Number  6060

 News Flash! (Well, not really)
 
  Ken Ober and I are planning on attending the Trekfest convention in 
Tampa on July 8. It is also running July 7.  It will be held at the 
Holliday Inn Tampa Airport (which I heard is near the Fox's house). 
Guest will be James "Scotty" Doohan. Question and answer sessions will 
be both days at 1 PM. Autographs will be given at 3 PM. Trivia games 
will be played with prizes to be awarded. Door prizes will be awarded. 
Bloopers and episodes will be run. There (of course) will be a dealer's 
room. There probably will be at least one other guest. Admission is $12 
for one day and $20 for two days. This IS NOT a Vulkon convention! Who 
else is interested in going??
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From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 06/25/90 14:27:49
Message Number  6061

Okay, do you think I could find a used Hard Drive (without controller)
for $150 or around there -- All it must be is SCSI ... any meg value...
See, I have come across a /very/ cheap HD controller, and if I can find
and equally cheap HD I can still have money left over for RAM expansion!
 
Amazing, eh?
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: MNP Lev 5 & Me.
Date & Time: 06/25/90 14:31:04
Message Number  6062

> why do you want people to tell you how to spend it?
 
Because when /I/ decide how to spend it, I do it stupidly... (Eg -- 
Turtle Comics..) And it usually doesn't benefit the people on my BBS
or anyone else for that matter, very much....Again, I'm looking
for ANY CHEAP SCSI HARD DRIVE FOR $150 OR LESS!  If you have it, or
know of anyone who has it -- TELL ME ASAP!  Any megabyte will do,
What I am trying to do, is be able to get the HD with the memory 
expansion -- If I can't find it for fairly cheap, I'm just going to
purchase the memory expansion now and think about the HD later....
(The expansion I am purchasing will bring my total RAM count up to
1.5 Megabytes...)
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 16:43:23
Message Number  6063

Next season's Star Trek lineup: Riker is commander of the Enterprise,
the nasty, bad-tempered young lady is his first officer, and
Decks 6 through 16 of the saucer are uninhabitable due to radiation
contamination incurred during the battle with the Rubik's Cube of
Doom. Picard is floating space-dust; the only thing left of him is
the neat-O laser the Borg grafted for unknown reasons to the
side of his face as a special effect. Wesley has it out with Riker,
ends up in bed with Troi, and dies a week later of acute embarrassment
when someone else beats him to the punch and saves the Enterprise
before he does. Meanwhile, The Weekly Galaxy News reports that a
party of Denubians saw the ghost of Captain Kirk in a Circle-K,
near the frozen foods, and that he was last seen running off through
the ionosphere with the ghost of Elvis and a "weird green chick."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/25/90 16:49:39
Message Number  6064

I know, I know, I was just pointing out the kind of mindset that results
in silliness like bans on T-backs and whatnot. I wasn't actually
accusing you of /having/ that mindset; I was simply (trying to)
illustrate how a personal distaste can end up expressing itself as
repression if you aren't careful. *Sigh*...
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ....           
Date & Time: 06/26/90 00:57:39
Message Number  6065

   Angel grabs a piano roll from the box at random and loads it into
the player.  The song, (March of the Siamese Children) begins to fill
the bar, successfully covering the grumblings of the confused Turtle.
Receiving her drink from Xon, Angel sits beside the charmingly
befuddled reptile.
   "Sounds as if I've missed some interesting arrivals in my short
absense.  This locale seems to be a nexus of mystery.  Catch me up
on the gossip; or, if not, I'll play another song.  Any requests?"
Before Turtle could ask if she knew how to play "Far, Far Away" she
continued.  "I've been rather busy myself this morning.  Besides
settling that bit of unpleasantness with the authorities, I've 
started to straighten my financial situation.  I'm rather flush now
after collecting on Cartwright's insurance policy.  So I've done a
bit of shopping.  You like the new outfit?  And, of course, the piano
you've already noticed.  Oh, and I must have you out to see the
ship.  She's a beauty."
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:17:19
Message Number  6066

O.K.  You bashed me for not knowing what a Gordian knot was [watch it,
I could have said "knot knowing..."], so explain vector-controlled
combustion is.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:20:56
Message Number  6067

Beatle sees them a week early (of course, he does have a dish).  My
friend got a call at about 7:59 p.m. and the first words out of the
handset were "What's this 'To be continued' shit?!"  I myself am
still debating as to what I'd like to see.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/26/90 01:24:49
Message Number  6068

So, what's this I hear about the "Star Trek Conclusion Episode" party
at your house?  :)
===========

From: RICHARD             
To: SPE11WIND           
Subject: n              
Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:15:13
Message Number  6069

when he does, god help us all, we are in a mess now, what would it be wi
th him in office, help!
===========

From: RICHARD             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: n              
Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:24:51
Message Number  6070

 In Bradenton they still are 18 inches long.
===========

From: RICHARD             
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: n              
Date & Time: 06/26/90 10:45:38
Message Number  6071

Great story, but I still laugh, 
when I think of the two garbage
men in the park!
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Morality & You 
Date & Time: 06/26/90 17:21:38
Message Number  6072

Turtle -
FYI ( as if anyone really cares) - the anti-frisbee ordinance is /not/
because the County is afraid of lawsuits...I do not know why it exists
but /that/ isnt the reason.  If you were on the beach and someone hit
you w/ a frisbee the County would have no liability.  The County's 
duty owed to you while you are using a public beach is to correct any
/known/ hazards and warn of any /known/ hazards.  A frisbee is not a 
known hazard unless someone calls the County and complains of that
particular frisbee prior to it striking you...and then only if the
complaint is in regards to the frisbee being a source of injury or
property damage.
                           The Yngling
===========

From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/26/90 20:35:44
Message Number  6074

A cliff hanger resolution party at your place ? Make it so. I'll bring
some Romulan ale (I had it smuggled across the neutral Zone) and a
genuine Deana Troi vibrating pillow - love the cleavage queen. Jeez, 
I hope my wife doesn't go into labor during the first show of the 
season - she might not understand when I choose to watch our bald
headed champion save sector 001 rather than coach her breathing.
===========

From: C.C.A.              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Meaning        
Date & Time: 06/26/90 21:43:26
Message Number  6075

There is a pretty long story, but to make it simple, my spacebar 
doesn't work(right now I'm using a joystick's FIRE button) so I 
couldn't use my normal handle.
 
At the time I had >a Reader's Digest in front of me and one article was 
called "Castro, Cocaine, and the Atom bomb" hence the initials C.C.A.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/26/90 23:38:33
Message Number  6076

AARGH! Oh benighted Rufus, doth thou know ANYTHING? Vector-controlled
combustion is a scheme by which the gasoline/air mixture in an
engine's combustion chamber isn't ignited by a spark, it's ignited by a
flame. What happens is this: you have two separate carburetion
circuits for the engine, and every cylinder has a tiny combustion
chamber off to one side, with the spark plug screwed into it. On each
cycle, you put a small amount of very rich fuel mixture into the
auxiliary chamber, and a normal amount of very lean fuel mixture into
the cylinder. The spark ignites the rich mixture, which starts burning
very easily because it's so rich. The burning mixture then spills into
the cylinder, where it ignites the lean mixture in the cylinder. That
way, you can use an unusually lean overall mix without knocking and
misfiring, since the mixture is ignited by a moving flame-front and 
burns more evenly (and more cleanly). The only production vehicle
that uses that type of engine right now is the Honda CRX HF and the
CVCC Accord (early Civics also used CVCC engines, but for some reason
they don't any more).
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Light bulb     
Date & Time: 06/27/90 03:24:24
Message Number  6077

7 candlepower?  Really?  Thats actually enough to read a book by, when
you stop to consider that one or two candles is sufficient, if not, per
haps a strain.  I was wondering if you knew what happens to those
stupid lamps along the street?  In my younger days when I would go a-
wandering, they would constantly blink off when you walked under them.
Sometimes this happened several times a night... Geee, I wonder if 
GTE designed them?
 
    Just a-wundering
 
             a-Tree
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:47:29
Message Number  6078

If she does go into labor during the season opener (which would be a
really rude thing for her to do) swing by my house and you can borrow
my portable TV.  It's color, it's 13 inches, and it picks up 44.  Of 
course with all the chaos and noise, you'd better have the volume up
high.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:50:38
Message Number  6079

Ohh...that vector-controlled combustion!  Now, answer me this.  Just
what in Ghods name is the "Hasty Pudding Club?"  My mother keeps
bugging me to do research on it.  I go to the library, they have
nothing, then she tells me to look under Harverd.  Geesh....
BTW, the library is computerizing the card catalog, complete with touch
screens (I think).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: Light bulb     
Date & Time: 06/27/90 15:53:30
Message Number  6080

Those stupid lamps on the street go off when you walk under them for
a very good reason.  The lamps are equiped with a motion sensor, and
when you walk under them they go off.  This makes it easier for you
to be mugged.  No one has any consideration for criminals these days.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 19:16:14
Message Number  6081

  I know you didn't mean to be taken seriously, but the start of that 
spew (Riker is Captain and the blond woman is his first officer) won't 
be true, because it has been confirmed that Picard will be in the show 
next season...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 19:19:18
Message Number  6082

 > Star Trek Conclusion Episode" party
 
  Well, I don't think we can watch it here, but if you want me to, I'll 
tape it the Saturday it airs (at 6 PM) and then as soon as it's over, 
I'll have Tyler deliver me and the tape to a location where annoyed 
parents can't complain about how many (and what kind of) people are in 
the house...
===========

From: THRUD               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:22:21
Message Number  6083

Thanks for the offer, but I think I have a better idea. On Quantam Leap
Sam once halted labor by injecting a saline solution into the mother, 
which got her drunk and slowed down labor. I don't know exactly what
the solution was, but I have a couple of months to find out. And id
- I mean IF - it doesn't work on Mindi, I'll try it on myself and 
maybe I won't care as much. 
===========

From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:27:05
Message Number  6084

I hope this is true, because Jean-Luc MAKES the show. One element that
I think makes the show believable and enjoyable is that Picard is 
just the sort of person who should be on the cutting edge of human
exploration and relations with alien cultures. He constantly emphasizes
that his mission is scientific, not military. A lot of sci-fi is heavy
into weapons and wars, and while TNG has it's share of both, you can
actually believe Jean-Luc would rather negotiate and learn than fight.
Besides, we bald headed guys haven't had a real hero since Kojak, and 
I had hair down to my shoulders when he was on TV.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: concl episode  
Date & Time: 06/27/90 20:35:34
Message Number  6085

My daughter will testify that I am sometimes an "annoyed parent". 
However, I might just entertain the thought of a conclusion episode
party. The question is, will I like you guys as much in person as
I do on a green screen ? And would you admittedly graphicly superior
amiga-heads make fun of my XT clone ? Interesting thought.......
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/27/90 21:34:57
Message Number  6086

Or you could stop by Beatle's and watch it a week early just to make
sure!  :)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: THRUD               
Subject: concl episode  
Date & Time: 06/27/90 21:37:31
Message Number  6087

Not just the Amiga users, but EVERYONE would make fun of your XT 
Clone!  Apple users, C=64 users, TRS-80 users, etc, etc, etc...
 
We'll make you feel very insecure...
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Hasty Pudding  
Date & Time: 06/28/90 01:44:59
Message Number  6088

Why on earth would your mother want you to research the Hasty Pudding
Club?  There must be something strange in your family's past.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Hasty Pudding  
Date & Time: 06/28/90 12:36:29
Message Number  6089

Uhh, actually, some lady where my mom worked was reading the obits. and
asked my mom what the Hasty Pudding Club was.  This sparked my mom's
interest.  There is nothing strange in my family's past (but I'm working
to rectify that problem).
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 13:04:55
Message Number  6091

> On Quantum Leap...
 
  Speaking of Quantum Leap, I have been watching the show during Quantum
Leap Week. I am sorry I have been missing it! Luckily, I have been able 
to pick up the concepts pretty quickly (such as what happens to the 
person whose place is being taken) with a little help from my Starlog 
collection. 
   I really enjoyed the last two episodes (the ones about the lawyer and
the dejay) and am looking forward to watching the show from now on. It
is supposedly being moved to Friday nights in the fall. 
   Anyway, here's an annoying question. Does anyone have some of the 
original episodes on tape? I would especially like to see the first one 
(the two hour movie)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 13:09:58
Message Number  6092

  Well, on the good points for Jean-Luc, /I/ would agree, but I KNOW Ken
Ober would disagree. He hates Picard, Wesley, Riker, and Troi... and the
show in general. He still watches it, and I don't remember why.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: Light bulb     
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:15:52
Message Number  6093

I dunno if you can read by one candle or not, but I do know you can
write long, rambling, incoherent letters by the light of one kerosene
lamp. Once you're finished, you can mail them to people who refuse to
speak to you, too. About the street lamps: We had some arc lamps
at McDonald's that were on a light sensor, only the sensor was 
positioned in such a way that it could "see" the lamp. It was on a 3
minute delay timer so that headlights and stuff wouldn't cause it
to shut off the lamps, and it takes 2 minutes to fire up a mercury-
vapor lamp; result, every five minutes the lamps shut off and turned
on again. Really annoying. Speaking of which, I used to drive a
(different) VW Bug when I was working in Ft. Myers at 5 AM, and every
day I'd get up at about 4 to drive to work. My car had a /really/
noisy electrical system that spewed out broadband RF noise all
around it. On the route I took to work was a house that had a burglar
alarm installed, with one of those neat radio "panic buttons" ytou
wear around your neck in case you see dark shadows at night. Every
weekday at 4:30 when i drove past the house the burglar alarm went off,
and every afternoon on my way home I'd see an alarm company service van
in the driveway. This continued for two weeks before they finally
solved the problem.
   Just thought you might like to know.
              --An RF Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: EPA & You      
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:21:52
Message Number  6094

The "Hasty Pudding Club" is an organization of Harvard individuals
who are, in a kind of peculiar quirky way, devoted in some sense to
the performing arts. They frequently give hasty pudding awards to
famous individuals for no readily apparant reason, but that's only
because (as they will probably tell you quite giddily) there IS no
apparant reason. Past winners have included Cher, who predictably showed
up at Harvard wearing almost no clothes.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:23:56
Message Number  6095

>The start of that spew...won't be true, because it has been confirmed
>that Picard will be in the show next season... 
 
Yes, but will Wesley end up in bed with Troi? /That's/ what I want to
know!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: concl episode  
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:27:13
Message Number  6096

>...EVERYONE would make fun of your XT clone! Apple users, C=64 users,
>TRS-80 users,...
 
...SB-180 users, LISA users, PDP users, DECsystem-20 users, Timex-
Sinclair users...
 
Actually, I shouldn't say that, since I now own an XT clone. Of course,
I'm planning on swapping it for a CP/M machine, but as long as I still
have it I shouldn't make fun of people who through no fault of their
own are unfortunate enough to be stuck with MS-DOS machines...
===========

From: SAM                 
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Pop-Tarts?     
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:45:42
Message Number  6098

Sam shakes her head at the sudden question. "No, I don't have any pop-
tarts," she says impatiently. "What you're sayin' is that you blew up
some IBM place, and now they want you dead. 
So figure you can't go to the Guard without tellin' them why the IBM
people are after you, right?" She sits down on the bed next to the
sometime insurance salesman. "So how did they know where to find you?
More to the point, do they know you're here now? Figure it'd be hard
for anyone who didn't know this place to follow you here, but if
someone saw you coming this way it won't take 'em long to find you.
Got any ideas?"
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Meanwhile...   
Date & Time: 06/28/90 16:52:51
Message Number  6099

The confused reptile looks somewhat disconcerted by Angel's sudden
appearance. "Hey, you got any Metal Church rolls?" he asks her,
unsuccessfully. "Um, gossip? Well, this guy came in here...yeah, well...
um, sure, I noticed the piano. It's quite lovely. I saw the outfit when
you dragged it in. Um...a ship? Here? What ship? Yikes!" The reptile
springs away from the bar stool as if expecting a large oceangoing
vessel to appear there. When it fails to materialize, he sits back
down again, somewhat uncertainly, and says abruptly, "You know, I
had a bad experience on a ship once. This guy came up to me, and he had
this bag, see, that was full of cats. I asked him why he had a bag with
cats in it, and he said something about rats deserting a sinking ship,
and...never mind. I got seasick, too. Did you know a whole lot of
dock workers have tattoos of anchors on their shoulders? Kinda silly,
huh? The Dockworkers Guild coulda been creative, used a picture of
a train station being smashed by the fist of the gods or something,
but no. Why do you have a ship? Oh, my, Mulligan looks kind of annoyed.
I bet he's going to drag Gold off and explain Ranean law to him now.
Yep, there they go. I hope Gold's smart enough to get something to
drink--that's likely to take a while. Well, at least he's not arresting
him. Hey, I like that outfit. Is it new?"
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hasty puds     
Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:10:05
Message Number  6100

Another essential part of the ceremonies at one of America's most
distinguished universities is that the members of Hasty Pudding 
cross-dress when presenting the award to such luminaries as
Carol Burnett, Margot Kidder et al. I suppose this prepares them
for the life of wealthy guilt ridden liberalism to which they are
doomed. Unless your name is Oliver.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PCP Users?     
Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:14:40
Message Number  6101

Jeez, you really  shouldn't bring drug abuse into the conversation like
that.
Anyhow, while I absolutely refuse to get into an argument over machines
and operating systems, I must say that my crappy little XT clone has
managed to help me stay around a 3.8 GPA while I support a family and 
go to college at night. And since the rest of the ignorami of the
world will continue to live in the world of MS-DOS, it stands to
reason that a buck can be made by a guy who trains himself to help
them all thru the jungle. 
  And since Ober the pinhead is sure to stick his nose in here, may
I add that anyone who professes to hate everyone on TNG and watches
it anyhow must either have no life other than TV, or perhaps has
not yet mastered the remote control.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 17:26:52
Message Number  6102

Yes yes, turtle had hit the nail on the head. At the conclusion of
the conclusion episode, the cleavage queen will take Wes to bed with
her. Unfortunately for Wes, he will be in an urn on her nightstand,
having been fried by the Borg while saving the Enterprise one last
time. 
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 23:15:17
Message Number  6104

I still watch the show because there is no other Star Trek on anymore!
 
It's been replaced with SITCOMS!!!  ACK!!!!!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/28/90 23:16:33
Message Number  6105

Wesley will end up in bed with his Right, Left, or Both Hands!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BART AND/OR TYLER   
Subject: Thank you      
Date & Time: 06/29/90 00:17:38
Message Number  6106

Thank you for giving me such useful information like the fact that
Bart's breasts are the wrong size and nothing /useful/ like just what
the plans were for the Tampa trek.  Like where you were leaving from
and if I should join you at someones house or you come and pick me up.
If someone would be practical enough to call me on my nerd hotline and
inform me of what's going on, it would be greatly appreciated, and just
maybe the aardvark of love and happiness would lick your toes.
 
 ...oh yes, let my nerd line ring repeatedly.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/29/90 15:47:44
Message Number  6107

Actually, Wesley will end up in bed with Worf.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: PCP Users?     
Date & Time: 06/29/90 18:07:20
Message Number  6108

>And since Ober the pinhead is sure to stick his nose in here...
 
Come, come. Ken Ober may be a knucklehead, but he's /our/ knucklehead,
so let's try to show SOME consideration for the nice gentleman.
 
 
 
 
 
                                     ...or not.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/29/90 18:09:08
Message Number  6109

At the conclusion of the season opener, the Borg, having redeemed
themselves in the eyes of sapient beings anywhere by their selfless act
of public service (namely, frying Wes), will be welcomed into the
Federation with open...uh, manipulators. Unfortunately, they will soon
prove that you can't reform a bad apple when they stage a leveraged
buyout of several of the Federation's largest industries (like Joe's
All-Night Starship Fuel Depo and Ship Wash chain), build grandiose
monuments to themselves in Atlantic City, and finally vanish forever
under a mountain of debt, never to be seen again.
 
Wesley's ashes are used in a research experiment which involves sending
them through the Transporter backward in an effort to reconstruct his
essence from fragments of DNA sill present in the ashes. Unfortunately,
all that results is the sudden appearance of a can of Spam, confirming
some suspicions his crewmates have had about him since day 1.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/29/90 23:41:18
Message Number  6111

 Well, I'm just back from galloping around the cosmos... well, Quantum 
Link. Anyway, the word out is that at least four people have not re-
signed for the fourth season. Patrick Stewart and Marina Sirtis (Picard 
and Troi) have not signed yet, but most likely will. Wil Wheaton has 
signed, as well as Johnathan Frakes... unfortunately, they're gonna let 
Frakes direct one of the fourth season episodes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 06/30/90 03:09:32
Message Number  6112

Marina Sirtis had damned well better be back!  Preferably with a lower
neck line!  Meow!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 06/30/90 03:10:58
Message Number  6113

Yes folks, it's the Armadillo Connection, run by your very own
Knucklehead, Ken "Donald Trump" Ober, with help from your very own
biomechanical engineer wanna be Rufus, and even more help from Beatle.
That number again is: 378-2218.  It's running at 2400 baud, with 1200
and 300 available 23 hrs. 53 mins. a day.  It's running on Paragon, the
BBS that will change before your eyes (or at least between your calls).
 
In a nut shell: 378-2218  3/12/2400  Weird SysOp and weired remotes.
 
     ...voops welcome (just don't soil the main menu)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 06/30/90 17:55:58
Message Number  6116

Ya all!  You MUST call my BBS soon!  I'm improving it more and more...
 
BETTER NEWS -- I have over 1Meg of storage space left after installing
the BBS -- This means I /should/ be able to do FIDO /very/ soon -- Lets
cross our paws!  Yip!  :)  Call!!!!!!!
 
The Armadillo Connection -- 813/378-2218 -- 8-N-1-300/1200/2400
ANSI and ASCII supported with more on the way if I can get the
specifications!!!!!!  :)
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:06:11
Message Number  6117

Oh well. too inebriayed to answer properlu tonight. RAVEN 	turmed me
on to some repair places. I haven't been around, beeen movin' my PC into
the pool yable room (livin room) besides the PC, just tryin to make sure
everything still works. "Damn them White Russians". Oh well...see ya'...
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: MMA                 
Subject: uncle jack     
Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:10:45
Message Number  6118

Goood plan of action./ Wow, whaite a set ofg White Russians!!!! <Erp> oF
WELL WATCHIN' ShadowPlay so I guess it dopes,nt matter. Where the hell
is my keyboard?????    Gotta stop drinkin' before I get on....sorry....
<erp>....damn gooooood White Russians and TANGO & CASH is GOOD......
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: MMA                 
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:14:46
Message Number  6119

"Hey, I my tongue up some bitches ass. You know how boaring those bank 
be".....get you;re dice-man straight!!!! Ooooops, sorry for my intoler-
ance.....I'm a lil' intoxicated right now....Why not???? Damn them white
russians.......oooooooops. <erp>.    Seee ya''''' does anyone else out t
there think 98 might kick 95's ass if 95 doesn't dump some of their some
add's...!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!????
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:20:30
Message Number  6120

You better call damn fast fast. My immagination might be pretty be outda
by you cost. weELL, 	 where does an immagination get you these days???
Broke.....lost....forgotton.......Oh well......oooooooops.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: C.C.A.              
Subject: Meaning        
Date & Time: 07/01/90 00:23:49
Message Number  6121

Understood.   I geeel guiltity for understood intelleget. An oooops for 
each to the source code. Oh well, no-one is understood for long. aaaaaId
Understand an answer, it must be to return. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Let'
make a deal........too late, too drunk....oh well!!!!! It's just a movie
.....ahhhhhhhhh!?!?!?!?!? I Love You Eva........smoooooch!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ALL                 
Subject: ooooops.....   
Date & Time: 07/01/90 14:49:11
Message Number  6123

Welp, it's much later an I'm almost sober again. WOW, a little 
intoxicated, my ass! I'll have to re-answer to posts that I answered
last night, I think I was trying to do myself in one drink at a time.
At least I remembered that I called here, I guess I wasn't totally gone.
Gotta quit doin' that stuff. I'm too old to recover like I used too.
<owwww>. It's amazing what you can (and can't) type when you're totally
bombed...hehe. Think I need one of those intoxication switches on my PC
so I don't DRINK AND POST. Well......see all you guys around. Just moved
my PC into the house (it was in a home-made office in my garage <HOT>)
so I can be comfortable when I post and work.    s'later
     a  sssssssssslightly sssssssssssorry ssssssssssSNAKEBYTE .  .
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 07/01/90 14:56:45
Message Number  6124

> Does anyone else out there think 98 might kick 95's ass if 95 doesn't
> dump some of their ads?   [detoxed version]
 
In a word, no.  98 lacks the variety YNF has--their playlist is all
metal and hard rock, and almost entirely current.  You'll hear Poison's
new song on	 there, assuming you wanted to, and you'll hear "Lips and
Hips" every hour on the hour, but you're not likely to hear too much
old Moody Blues, any of Bruce Hornsby's stuff or the new ones from Jeff
Lynne and David Beirweiler.  They also play just about as many ads as
95 does, and their self-promotions are downright obnoxious.  I've
flipped channels on them more than once because I don't like being told
how stupid I am for liking 95.  The "New" 98 Rock has the same format
as the OLD 98 Rock from a decade ago--something nobody seems to have
noticed yet--and the grace, wit and charm of a Smurf-metal version of
the "Power Pig."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 07/01/90 15:09:24
Message Number  6125

>Marina Sirtis had damned well better be back! Preferably with a lower
>neck line!
 
Well, in a manner of speaking, yes. I've just heard from Apocryphal
Publications, Ltd. (a division of Turtle Press) that Miss Sirtis
has agreed to re-sign with the cast of ST:TNG on the condition that
her character is more fully developed. Specifically, she wants
her character to be depicted in a more realistic fashion, with
hobbies (Denubian belly-dancing) and interests (the logistics of
zero-gee orgies) outside of Starfleet.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/01/90 15:13:51
Message Number  6126

>weELL,  where does an imagination get you these days???
 
In bed with Troi in a Denubian belly-dancer's outfit (and attitude)?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 07/01/90 18:55:24
Message Number  6127

>Denubian belly-dancing...the logistics of zero-gee orgies...
 
Ohh....goodie goodie goodie.  Maybe we'll soon see "Troi Look alike 
contests" at some Cons.  Fun fun fun./
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/01/90 19:05:16
Message Number  6128

Much as I'd like to believe this, we all know that the ever lovely
Troi has three breasts too few to be a Denubian Belly Dancer. And we
all know that 0 Gee orgies have been passe on Betazoid(?) for decades,
even years now. 
  BTW, I finally saw "Hunt for Red October" (exellent) and did
anyone notice who Jack Ryan's wife was? Gates McFadden ! Our very
own Dr. Beverly. She was only on in the very beginning, had one
or two lines and was never seen again. I wonder if the TNG crew will
have the stereotyping problem the ST crew did, it seems like none of
the ST gang really had any major successes afterwards. No, I do not
count TJ Hooker as a success.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ...            
Date & Time: 07/01/90 22:38:46
Message Number  6130

"Yes, it's a new outfit!"  She was wondering how many times she'd have
to draw that fact to the reptile's attention before it sunk in.  "And
you don't have to duck.  The ship's safely anchored in harbor.  She's
a lovely thing, a hermaphrodite brig fast as the wind.  I'm looking
for a good shantyman, would you like to go to sea?"  The Turtle
turned an even deeper shade of green at the thought of a sea-cruise.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: ...            
Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:11:25
Message Number  6131

"Gnu outfit! How dare you wear a gnu outfit." A previously
somniculous mass rose from a dark corner of the room. Vafthrudner,
frost giant of Denmark, approached the mortals gathered round the 
bar. 
  "Abuse not the cloven creatures of my domain, lest ye feel the
ardor of my club. I didst smite Oden himself whenst he thought to
cross my land. Better you should turn yon shellhead," gesturing at
Turtle, "into a pair of shoes, than mess around with any of my gnus."
With a benign smile, the giant gestured to the barkeep.
  "I am Vafthrudner, gentlefolk, but you may call me Thrud." As he
reached for the freshly proffered mug, the titan realized there was
a burning candle within.
  "FOOL, I wanted a Bud Lite!"
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THRUD               
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:54:07
Message Number  6132

>No, I do not count TJ Hooker as a success.
 
How about "Rescue 911?"  Did you happen to catch our friend Bill in
a movie called, I think, "Kingdom of the Spiders," about these spiders
that overrun a town.  Wow...what a movie.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Public message 
Date & Time: 07/01/90 23:58:17
Message Number  6133

And now, a public message:
 
Griffle-snibbits.
 
This message payed for by SKRAM (Society to Keep Rufus' Mental health).
 
 
   ...okay, it doesn't fit that much.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/02/90 13:49:20
Message Number  6135

> How about "Rescue 911?"
 
 I would say it was a success. It won a People's Choice Award, and was 
renewed (not because of ratings!).
 > "Kingdom of the Spiders"
 
  Our friend Bill directed the sequel. Yes, sequel. I hope that I never 
have to see that movie. If he can foul up the sequel to a GREAT movie, I
wonder how bad the sequel to a BAD movie would be.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/02/90 14:06:35
Message Number  6136

There was a sequel to "Kingdom of the Spiders?"  Gee, seeing how the
spiders managed to encase the whole town in webbing, I don't see how
they managed a sequel.  With Bill directing it, I don't think /I'd/
watch it, and I watch things like "Class of Nuke 'Em High."
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: express        
Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:27:13
Message Number  6137

Sorry I've been away (no - my own free will!) actually a self-imposed 
isolation - anyway _ thanks!  I've heard it's wax,cloth, dye but how
in HELL do ya get the stuff off the cloth????!  Anyway I will look forwa
to further elucidation when the books are available.  Thanx again
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Ziggy          
Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:46:48
Message Number  6138

oooohhhh! I'm in heaven!  They released David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust
on CD!!!  I snarfed it up hot from the delivery van.  My ex wife 
screwed my LP up in a fit 5 years ago and I've been bereft!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Vanishing Point
Date & Time: 07/02/90 20:48:42
Message Number  6139

Hi folks! <beaming smile>  sorry that I've been away for awhile. I'll 
explain lest I get accused of stirring the fires and splitting.  I've
been writing a rather involved piece of software to measure thermistors
(temperature sensitive resistors with a HELL of a non-linearity) and 
building the equipment etc etc.  After a full day of true torture - I
mean like nobody has done this before and I have to become an expert 
first - I really had no desire at all to turn on any of my systems at
home.  Unbelievable even to myself but true.... matter of fact there
are a lot of late-nite empty mugs at Brenton Reef to attest to my
abiding interest after work.  Guess what!  Now that it's over - I
get to do it AGAIN!!  But this time 42 of them at once on a machine that
we affectionately call "The Octopus". groan....
 
			                                        JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: LADY IN BLACK       
Subject: ...Earth Callin
Date & Time: 07/02/90 21:04:44
Message Number  6140

Look for mail in the private E-mail from me...
Has it been /that/ busy?
                               JonBoy
===========

From: THRUD               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: our friend Bill
Date & Time: 07/02/90 21:36:10
Message Number  6141

Bills record - ST - great
               Barbary Coast - bust
               TJ Hooker - bust (exept for Heather)
               Directing ST movies - bust
               911 - get serious, do any of yall watch this
               Spiders - well, back before I detoxed, I kinda liked it
   Did I miss anything ? I did see him in death valley days or some such
late at night on USA - he played an immigrant farmer who had to roll
around and fight in the mud, perhaps thats how he got the Kirk roll.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 07/03/90 01:02:42
Message Number  6144

"Troi look-alike contests" would be a good thing to see..."Troi act-
alike contests" would be better. Particularly if the show /does/ get
hobby as a Denubian belly-dancer. If they don't, i guess an act-alike
concert would be limited to dispensing sage advice in an incredibly
somber fashion, but hey. It'd also be nice to get Marina Sirtis to come
to a Furry Party some time...
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 07/03/90 02:09:03
Message Number  6145

I think I'll have to agree with you after today. I listened to 98 at
lunch today and heard the same song twice in less then a half an hour.
<yuck>. I wish 95 would screen their ad's a little closer and at least
make them geared towards the audience (US) that they KNOW they have.
I guess I fall for 98 in the afternoons when their format seems a little
more 'flowing' then 95's and they usually don't have a 'live' DJ on
<Thank God>. Don't even talk to me about the Power Pig......<puke>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/03/90 02:13:01
Message Number  6146

>In bed with Troi  in a Denubian belly-dancer's outfit (and attitude)?
   
Yeah, I think I was there Saturday nite. (I still have a problem typing
I as 'I' and not 'i', <whew> It was rough....). Don't care to visit
there any time soon, I think I got kicked out but I managed to retain
the belly-dancer's outfit......
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Star Trek: TNG 
Date & Time: 07/03/90 11:03:02
Message Number  6147

What I'd like to see is "ST:TNG meets the Bundys."  Patrick Stuart could
play Al, the Dr. could play Peggy, Will Wheaton could play Bud, and
Marina Sirtis could play Kelly Bundy.  Could make for some interesting
scripts.
 
     ...Jean-Luc with one hand down his pants and Troi in a mini-skirt.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/03/90 14:41:32
Message Number  6148

Hey!  I liked TJ Hooker and Rescue 911!!!!  I think old Will should do
SUPER SNACKER commercials, tho...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: jokes          
Date & Time: 07/03/90 22:09:20
Message Number  6149

I almost wanted to barf one morning listining to the idiots on 98
pulling a "wild and cahrayzie guys" routine and trying to tell me why
they were so much "cooler" than 95.  And then to top it off they started
to act like being a delinquent in school was the ultimate - I wouldn't
listen to those creeps on a bad bet.  After all - I would fear for when 
the music finally stopped and I would have to listen to them again!
Ron & Ron carry things a bit far sometimes but are by and large one of
the best DJ's I've heard.  They are comparable to Dr. Don Rose in San
Francisco and he is of international fame.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/03/90 22:14:52
Message Number  6150

I just noticed... where's Chip? Lady in Black? Acapulco Gold?  Even
Yngling is sparse of late...
By the way Turtle... I finally was forced to put the Apple together so
the CP/M stuff is "available".  I will see if I can capture a directory
and comment it as to what the stuff is and then you can pick-n-choose.
I finally took the box of books aout of my car as it was obvious I was 
gonna be delayed awhile.  I will try again next week. Leave me yer 
address again in case I lost it 18 something in the apartments next to
SuperAmerica etc etc.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THRUD               
Subject: ober           
Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:49:53
Message Number  6151

T> And since Ober...is sure to stick his nose in here, may I add that 
T> anyone who professes to hate everyone on TNG and watches it anyhow
T> must either have now life other than TV, or perhaps has not yet
T> mastered the remote control.
   
  If that's who I think it is, then well spoken.  Funny!  
  
   (Sorry, I just got here...I've been reviewing all the old messages.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:57:22
Message Number  6152

Yeah, Yeah....ok already.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 07/03/90 23:59:44
Message Number  6153

 About your hard drive...could you tell me exactly what is the problem?
I work on PC's & other computers for a living...(hrumph), maybe I can 
help.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:08:14
Message Number  6154

Kingdom of the Spiders...very third rate.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THRUD               
Subject: our friend Bill
Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:11:51
Message Number  6155

Yeah, you missed an episode of Kung Fu...where he was a Scot, and (fool)
tried to take Kane in a fist fight.... Lost, of course.  (Different 
script writers.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: I'm Back!      
Date & Time: 07/04/90 00:32:40
Message Number  6156

  Crispan walks in just as the two uniformed men are leaving the bar.
He can't help but notice that one looks a little reluctant, while the
other looks as if he'd rather be sitting in some dentist's chair.
  He passes the piano, noting the repiar work on the wall behind it, and
moves over to sit at the bar, one seat down from where Angel and Turtle 
are facing a large, brutishly dressed man. 
 Xon walks over, still looking with a slight intrest at the large man.
"Well," he says at last "look who's back.  What would you like?"
Crispan thinks momentarily about the mead, but remembering the last 
time he'd had some, decides on somthing different. "Something..." he 
speaks louder, to talk over the (hollow, noisy) music.  "Something in 
a bottle, that has a seal on it."  
  Xon frowns briefly, then grins.  "Right."  He returns in a second,
with a sealed bottle of water. "Here."
  Crispan looks over, and speaks loudly, "So who's the Norse Giant?"
His words fall nicely into the abrupt silence the ending song leaves.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:26:36
Message Number  6157

Jonboy, you wouldn't happen to have a spare serial card sitting around
you'd like to part with?  It would go for a good cause, mainly my BBS.
So far, all the hardware I have for it is used, and if it all speaks
with one another after I put them in the Franklin Ace 1000 (the case
that can withstand at least 160 lbs. standing on it) I'll have the BBS
up and running.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:29:22
Message Number  6158

The Specialist!  He's back and he's reviewing movies.   I didn't catch
all of "...Spiders" and it was on at 3 a.m. or so.  The only thing that
kept me from turning it off was my friend screaming "Kirk."
 
   ..."Scotty, beam us up.  We're surrounded by spiders."
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/04/90 01:53:15
Message Number  6159

Well, Chip is in Washington, DC, doing work for the Republican party
(trying to convince minorities that they should vote Republican, a job
he doesn't seem a likely candidate for -- especially since he isn't a
Republican).  Acapulco seems to have dropped back to only calling the
Suncoast City BBS.  This is doubly annoying now that "Ranean Tales" has
started again; we've had to push his character to a back table finally
to get things rolling, since a lot of the /other/ characters were
waiting on him from when the story left off.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: slivovitz      
Date & Time: 07/04/90 15:59:23
Message Number  6163

"Vafthrudner of Aalborg, friend, a homeless wanderer in a strange
land." With that, the colossus tosses down his Bud Light and slams
a gold coin on the bar and glares at Xon. "Now might you bring a 
tankard befitting a Frost Giant of the Old Order! And while you're at
it bring a round of Sliv for me and these three here," indicating
Crispin, Turtle and Angel.
  "Are you Rooshins?" the gargantuan Dane queries the threesome. "The
Rooshins sank a nukular submereen off my island and poisoned my land -
I'll not drink with Rooshins." As Xon hurries over with the drinks, 
Thrud remembers that there is a Vikings game on TV and asks him to
change the channel.
  Noticing that the bar is silent and all eyes are upon him, Vafthrudner
blushes and gestures at the piano. "Does anybody know 'Ride of the 
Valkyrie?'"
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: New subject.   
Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:01:45
Message Number  6164

R> I didn't catch all of "...Spiders" ...
  Don't feel deprived.  
R>..."Scotty, beam us up.  We're surrounded by spiders."
  "Coptan!  Uh canna do it!  The taransporters are covered with
tribbles!"
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THRUD               
Subject: piano          
Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:07:42
Message Number  6165

  Turtle, Angel and Crispan all echange glances.
  "No," ventures Crispan, "but I know a little chopsticks."  He gets
up and starts towards the piano.
  "Waitaminute.  I spent good money on that, and I'll not have anyone
messing it up."  Angel gets up and starts browsing the rolls.  "Now,
let me see." She starts picking over titles, mumbling "Too dumb, too
sappy, too...."
  Crispan shrugs, and heads back to the bar.  As he sits, he notices 
the blank stare that Turtle is giving him.  Crispan waves his hand.
"Hello?  Anyone home?"
  Turtle blinks. 
  Crispan looks nonplussed, and turns his attention to the Giant.
"..."
  Turtle jumps to life.  "Crispan!  I thought I knew you.  You know, I
was saying to myself, I'll bet that I know that guy, I've seen him some
where before, but I could not for the life of me figure out where!  I 
was thinking, Metallica concert?  Rush concert?  Noooo, not those, but I
just knew that I knew you! I saw you here, last night!  Right?"  He 
looks away, frowning.  "Or was it?" 
  Crispan looks at Xon, who shrugs and looks away.
He turns his attention to the Giant, once more. "So, thanks for the 
drink.  Where..."
  "'Ows 'at?"  Angel has changed the roll in the piano player, which is
now plinking out some outlandish tune in a slightly sharp key. "I mean,
'How is that?'"
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: *              
Date & Time: 07/04/90 17:54:20
Message Number  6166

[From Xonzoff]
 
    "What's a television?" I say, suddenly tired.  It's only, what,
half past noon and somebody's ordering a round?  Angel already has a
drink and gives me a quizzical look when I bring her another one; I
point at the giant in explanation.  Where DID that fox go, anyway?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/05/90 01:58:49
Message Number  6171

>Yeah, I think I was there [in bed with Troi in a Denubian belly-
>dancer's outfit] Saturday night...
 
And you're COMPLAINING? Hell, I'd give Donthen's right arm to go to bed
with Troi! I'm particularly attracted to her nice, large...
shoulder blades. Her knees aren't half-bad, either. Come to think of it,
she doesn't have any body part that's half bad, and she has more than
a few that are more than half-good...ahem, I'm going to stop now.
 
...so what'd you do with the outfit?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:01:46
Message Number  6172

Bill Shatner's perfect role: making Froot-Loops commercials. That way,
nobody would care that he can't direct for diddly squat.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:03:03
Message Number  6173

>...where's Chip?
 
Washington.
 
>...the Lady?
 
Blown five motherboards in two weeks...aah, IBM.
 
>Acapulco Gold?
 
Workin' for Info World, and too busy to call out.
 
As far as CP/M stuff goes: I'd be quite happy--nay, absolutely ecstatic,
running over with joy--to see your CP/M catalog. I'm currently residing
at 1895 Sanford Circle; that's the apartment complex right between
De Soto Rd. and SuperAmerica on 301 (we have our very own traffic light
now, so you can't miss it even if you try), in Building 12; just look
for a remarkably ugly gray Baja Bug. Also, if you'd like an obsolete
computer or two to take home with you, hey, it's a buyer's market over
here. Just moved machine #12 (a Heath H-89 with a ton and a half of
peripherals and about a dozen 77-track 5.25" floppy drives) in here, and
my other half is quite unamused. (Heck, she'd probably pay /you/ to take
some of the TRS-80's...)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: WYVERNERS           
Subject: Goin' Nowhere  
Date & Time: 07/05/90 02:12:26
Message Number  6174

Xon arrives with drinks; Turtle looks at his uncomprehendingly, then
with a "what the hell" expression tosses it back and turns to the
towering Norse myth. "Uh, you know, Crispan being here reminds me of
this time this really large nasty-looking person came running after me
with a club, and....awwqk!" He gasps, stares wildly around with the
look of a man who's just noticed that his house is on fire and there's
a six hundred pound kangaroo rat lunching on his Porsche, then picks up
the empty mug and turns it over. "What was THAT, battery acid with just
a touch of lime??!! Yikes, anyway, this guy was coming after me with thi
club, because I was trying to get into this tent, see, where there was
this wizard...you know, that's really obnmoxious music. Hey, Crispan,
know anyplace I can find shells for a...never mind. You know, there's
this turnip farmer named Crispan in Raneahdros somewhere. He has NO
life. Maybe I should give him mine." The turtle turns back to the bar,
picks up the mug again, and gazes into its depths searching for
enlightenment, looking for all the world like he dearly wished someone
would come along and say somethig profound to the sound of soulful
music. When it didn't happen, he looked around again, and brightened.
"Say! You don't have anyone chasing after you with illegal weapons
today! I bet you're happy about that, huh?"
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/05/90 13:43:30
Message Number  6175

>>...the Lady?
>
>Blown five motherboards in two weeks...aah, IBM.
 
FIVE MOTHERBOARDS IN TWO WEEKS!?  How?  BTW, she was on CofC yesterday.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:22:23
Message Number  6176

 > Chip...trying to convince minorities...Republican
 
  Does he support legislation against flag burning?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:24:52
Message Number  6177

 > doesn't have any body part that's half bad,...
 
  Sure, but I personally think she's a little too thin. She's still 
quite interesting to drool over. By the way, would you like a picture of
Troi to scan into the Mac and do some "modification" a la Kei & Yuri??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:27:03
Message Number  6178

> Froot-Loops commercials.
 
  "And now, William Shatner for Froot-Loops..."
  ::William Shatner, without his girdle::
  "Hello, I'm William Shatner, you may remember me as Captain Kirk on 
Star Trek, and if you don't remember that, you have no idea in hell who 
I am. Kelloggs has generously agreed to double my normal appearance fee 
to tell you how much I love Froot-Loops. As  a matter of fact, through 
the 70's when I was out of work, Froot-Loops helped me attain my current
weight of a trim 346 pounds. Also, if you buy Froot-Loops now, you'll 
get a free glow-in-the-dark plastic 1-inch replica of the Enterprise. 
So, follow my girth and enjoy the weighty taste of Froot-Loops....
 Did I hear someone say Super Snacker??"
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From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/05/90 14:32:41
Message Number  6179

 >> Where's Chip?
 
 > Washington.
 
 Is that supposed to be GOOD news or BAD news?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: drink          
Date & Time: 07/05/90 17:14:59
Message Number  6181

  Crispan notes Turtles violent reaction to the drink called "Silva" and
decides immdiately against imbibement of any sort. He waits till the 
Giant turns to listen to Turtle, and dumps it into the spitoon next to
him.  It dissapears with hardly a sound.  He wonders briefly if such a 
substance could be illegal, but dismisses the idea. 
  He sets the empty glass on the counter and turns to answer Turtle's
question. 
  "Yes."
  Turtle waits for a few seconds, probably expecting Crispan to say 
more, but then turns his mad harrange back to the giant.
  Crispan turns his attention to Angel.
  "So, you got a ship, did you?  Tell me all about it.  I like ships."
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From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Calling...     
Date & Time: 07/05/90 20:59:27
Message Number  6184

Well, I only have one super serial card that I use to convince my Apple
that there really are other computers - nice computers that will talk
in a nice sort of way given the proper circumstances...  I would 
rather not cripple my Apple beyond the framework of what it already is..
I DO have a Prometheus 1200 baud modem that I will dispose of for the
absolutely ridiculous sum of $75.  It is an internal modem that exactly
imitates the supers serial card with a HAYES 1200 stuck on it.  I have
to shake my head when I think that I paid $340 for it 5 years ago!
Anyway - I understood that 1200 is what you'd be running anyway.  I 
really do use the serial card to talk to my CP/M machines and my IBM's.
I *still* have to use my Apple to get certain Statistical work done
because I don't have anything that works on the IBM.  Mostly I need
software that curve-fits - preferably to a specified degree polynomial.
Anyone know of anything?
			                                   JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:07:16
Message Number  6185

Hehhe - have him piss off the Frost Giant and get turned into a 
grease spot for his efforts!  Serve him right after his rather "klunky"
entrance which forced quite a bit of jockying around for everyone.
And THEN to further stir the mud by getting moony-eyed over another
recent arrival "whasshername".  Ya 'know a story line can only stand
so much before it starts to sound like Danielle Steele is scripting it!
I will probably enter my character after a suitable interval AND I get 
a better "feel" for the story line - I can't help but wish some of the
others had been so inclined.
                            A Lit-Crit JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Nahhhh!        
Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:16:28
Message Number  6186

Gee!  And I thought summers were for screwing off and felt bad - where 
the hell did these folks get the burst of ambition.  Gee - too bad about
Lady having motherboard problems - if you know how to get in touch with
her I have an 8 Mhz XT motherboard she can plug in until hers gets 
straightened out.  Or mayhaps she would like to borrow my laptop.  Or
I even have an assembled 12 Mhz XT with a 20 meg harddrive!  As
for the CP/M stuff - I will be happy to get a listing - I have tons of
CPMUG stuff which some is garbage & some is Gold.  There are enough
programming languages to keep anyone going plus macro processors games
DBASE, SuperCalc, WordStar, Project Management stuff, too much fer my 
feeble brain to remember but it is on about 200 floppies.  I got rid of
an H-89 when I left Utah too!  2 floppies, HDOS and a H-19 terminal
(also an ADM-3A and an ADDS Viewpoint)  I still have the cassette 
software (debugger, BASIC etc) if you want it...  Lessee - I'll see
your TRS-80 model I and raise you an Osborne I!  I know how wimmin are -
I just got rid of one -- no sense of humor when it comes to toys - I 
mean they actually ask questions like :why do you need another computer?
What a silly question!!!
                             (Hope Crystal doesn't take this serious!)
                                           JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: computers      
Date & Time: 07/05/90 21:29:16
Message Number  6187

Gimme the MAC and I'll suck it into a couple of rendering packages that
I have (hehehehehehe oh boy.....)
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From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: cleavage queen 
Date & Time: 07/06/90 01:41:42
Message Number  6188

Your really weird.  But at least that was amazingly funny.
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From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Calling...     
Date & Time: 07/06/90 01:44:14
Message Number  6189

yea, I'll be running at 1200 baud.  I tried using a Prometheus ProModem
w/ the BBS software.  The software just belched and the card hid
in the corner.  That was my first modem, which I sold to get an
Apple Cat (damned fine modem, just the fact that I had to send it to
California every week kinda pissed me off.  Relay never worked right.).
Luckily, the people I got it from refunded my money.  Then I purchased
a VenTel from a friend (that's what the BBS will be using).  Then
I picked up another modem the last day of school which I later sold to
The Specialist.  Now I have a 2400 baud Zoom (aack, gag) modem.  And
somewhere in there I lent the VenTel out to Donthen.
     Like you really care about the history of my modems.
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Nahhhh!        
Date & Time: 07/07/90 14:14:32
Message Number  6191

     Don't worry JohBoy when it to comes to Turtle and ANOTHER computer 
I just close my eyes and hope he picks the right answer.  But fitting 
more then 13 computers in an apartment this size is crazy.
                             * CRYSTAL *
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From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/06/89 21:54:37
Message Number  6192

No, Chip doesn't support legislation	 against flag burning.  Go back and
reread the original message -- he's not a Republican.  (This is not to
say that all Republicans are for legislation against flag burning, but
it seems to be a real big partisan issue now that there's nothing else
more pressing for the two "sides" to argue about.)
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From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Earth?         
Date & Time: 07/06/89 22:02:32
Message Number  6193

Actually, the guy getting moony-eyed over Oversoul Seven's character,
Deva, was "Lord Valar," who seems to have vanished once again into the
mists of BBS'ing.
 
I'm going to try to get some of the Ranea stories over here for
downloading for people who are interested in learning more about the
world.  My computer was actually turned on for the first time in three
months yesterday -- everything works (amazingly enough), but the
keyboard is almost completely shot.  The spacebar is effectively dead,
making the system unusable for, well, just about anything, especially
BBS'ing and word processing.
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: HD             
Date & Time: 07/06/89 22:57:07
Message Number  6195

Okay, about my disk. A freind of mine at work has a PC that came down
from Chicago last year and it is used to run AutoCAD. The other day it
woke up dead. I checked it out and it would not recognize that there 
even was a C: drive. He took it to CAD CENT
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