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92446 24-APR 20:41 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92445)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NETCRUISER

I picked up the CD's at a local computer show... But, here is the info
listed on the back of the case for InfoMagic:

        InfoMagic
        P.O. Box 30370
        Flagstaff, AZ 86003-0370

        Tel: (602)-526-9565
        Fax: (602)-526-9573
        Internet: info@infomagic.com


--
Paul

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92447 24-APR 20:51 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92379)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: COCOKIWI

Dennis, where can one obtain Win-95 and how much did it set you back? I won't
mind trying it out. Charlie

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92450 24-APR 21:19 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92390)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: KSCALES


   Ken,

> A port is being done ...  Note that this is not necessarily equivalent
> to being a version targetted for the specific hardware architecture ...

  This makes sense, since there will be a `standard' platform coming
out in about a year, that IBM & Apple agreed upon.. from what I hear.

> I know that a version of AIX has been ported to run on PowerPC-based
> VME systems -- we will be using this in one of our products at work.
> Again, dunno if a specific port for the Mac PPC architecture is in the
> works.

  What I've heard was that IBM & Apple will take the `best' of there
oun versions of unix and release this.. this was being plained anyway :)

> Right now, I highly doubt that any of this would draw me into getting
> a system based upon the current Mac architecture.

  There's that key word ... current :)

  As for that dusty CC3, I'm in the same boat.. minus the `pc' :)

  Later -

  John


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92453 24-APR 21:38 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92446)
     From: NETCRUISER   To: MITHELEN

thanks! ill be sending email within the hour...

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92458 25-APR 00:00 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92438)
     From: GREGL        To: MITHELEN

Interesting, indeed. I haven't seen the InfoMagic release of Linux but it
does sound like it's quite a bundle of stuff with three CDs. I found one
company selling the Slackware release for about $80 or so and decided to
skip it until I found a better deal elsewhere. Oh well, I really don't have
enough room left to install Linux anyway. Maybe after the dust settles I'll
pick up a new box and dedicate this one to Linux.

        -- Greg

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92459 25-APR 00:00 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92414)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Intel chip.  Now, I do know that the 486 is slowly taking back-
 > seat to the newer Pentium, but, the way I see it is that the 486
 > will probably be around for a long time to come.

No doubt.  I see the experts still recommending 486's to new purchasers.
I don't think it will be outdated for quite a while.

 > I know, basically, I want the power of the PC just to take
 > advantage of the vastness of the Internet.  I spent about 4 hours
 > on it just last Sunday!

Gosh! I envy you <G>   I just came on and downloaded a big newsgroup before
I came in and got this with IX.  Took about an hour to get it (first time).
All the time, I kept thinking about my l/d charges <G> - you lucky dog.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92460 25-APR 00:01 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92415)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Programming on the CoCo, for me, is just that, for fun.  But, I

Well, this is partially true for me, too.  But I do have this ambition of
perhaps developing some good user programs to help get at least a small
foothold in the personal market.  Probably will never happen in the way
I see it, but I still have this hope.

 > also do it for the learning adventure.  Just a couple of weeks ago
 > I learned how to set/clear the LSB in a byte.  I am working on a
 > project that, among other things, I needed to retrieve the name
 > from a disk.  OS-9 sets the least significant bit to indicate the
 > end of a string.

It's the most significant bit, to be exact <G>  But yes, something like
this is a real educational experience... Often in my attempts to write
programs, I've taken off on a tangent exploring some little quirk that
has nothing to do with the program on which I'm working.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92461 25-APR 00:01 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92419)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Uh, duhh! In message #92415, that should have been MSB Most
 > Significant Bit, not LSB.  See, still learning!

And I say... Oops.. I corrrected it and didn't need to <G>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92463 25-APR 02:47 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92447)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: CHARLESAM

you dial microsofts 1-800 number ....AH!here it is....

1-800-957-7384.....automated phone line! Have the credit card ready
price $27.95 + s/h and whatever local tax! around $32.00
Dennis

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92464 25-APR 02:51 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92459)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DBREEDING

lot of reasons for the slow change...a lot of 486/586 boards would NOT work
when a new chip was installed!....<grin>........
Dennis

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92469 25-APR 20:28 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92414)
     From: JOHNREED     To: 01GEN40

 > trusty little CoCo.  Your right, if I want to stay with OS-9, I
 > will have to upgrade to a 68K machine.  But, like you said, it
 > can be a much more expensive endevour than going with a PC.  As

 I was talking to Bill Wittman on the phone yesterday, and he
plans to have a working model of his new OS-9/68k computer
at the Chicago fest.  This sounds like a good choice for a
budget entry into OS-9/68k.  There was a full description
posted here some time ago.

John
           ********************************
 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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92472 25-APR 22:09 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92427)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MITHELEN

 > Well... I travel around to many offices in and around Chicago for work,
 > and in the last few months, almost ALL of them have partially, or totally
 > switched over to OS/2... And it seems that most people tend to use the
 > same setup at home as they do at work... So.. I think OS/2 is here to stay
 > and will make a major dent in the home system market this year...

I do hope so.  I have not even seen it in in real life, but from what I hear,
it is really great.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92473 25-APR 22:16 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92463)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: COCOKIWI

What experience have you had with it(Windows-95)so far?
thanx Charlie

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92477 25-APR 23:38 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92473)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: CHARLESAM

Have not got it YET! it takes around 3/6 weeks for delivery..will let you
know when it arrives.......
Dennis

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92487 26-APR 21:08 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92472)
     From: ISC          To: DBREEDING


> I do hope so.  I have not even seen it in in real life, but from what I hear,
> it is really great.
>
>                          -- David Breeding --
>        CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
>     *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***
>
It's just more PC ca-ca.  (OS/2)

Bill

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92507 30-APR 12:36 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92459)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  Yeah, well you know what they say...  "That's life in the BIG
city."  Last Sunday I spent 6 hours and 8 minutes on line, 4
of which was on the Internet.  I think I have finally gone
over my 20 hours on Delphi.  I will know when I get my next
statement.  Needless to say, I will not be going on the Internet
today, for that reason and because I have to do some
studying on this course in Computer Repair I am taking.  Got
a new hands on kit in the mail yesterday,  I like "hands on"!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92508 30-APR 12:50 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92460)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi again,
  Yeah, I realized the error of the MSB minutes after I left
that message and left an updated message correcting it.  I do
not get much time to work on my programming projects since I am
taking that course I mentioned in the last message.  But, I do
get to it when I can.  Can you believe this?  I am currently
building my 486 box from scratch as I can afford it (just got a
Cyrix 486DX2-66MHz CPU yesterday 4/29),  and I will be getting
a 486SX from this course as well.  I thought I was already
hip deep in computers right now (about 10 at last count). Some
do not work, just have them for parts.  2 are backups to this
CoCo I am using right now.  A CoCo 2 I use to program the Plug
'N' Power remote controller I have for light and...  I have an
old Apple that someone just gave to me, Do not know if it
even works.  Got 2 XTs that I had to buy just to get this RLL
hard drive that was in one of them...  See what I mean?  Oh
well...
  Thanks for the reply... See ya among the stars...

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92509 30-APR 12:55 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92469)
     From: 01GEN40      To: JOHNREED

Hi John,
  Right now, with what I have invested in putting my 486 to-
gether and this course I am taking,  I will have to wait for
quite some time before I could even think about getting an
OS-9/68K machine even at an entry level price.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92511 30-APR 16:54 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92508)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 >  I do
 > not get much time to work on my programming projects since I am
 > taking that course I mentioned in the last message.  But, I do
 > get to it when I can.

Yes, sometimes it seems so hard to find time to do all you want to do..
And writing programs is so time-consuming, at least for me.. Programming
is actually a learning project for me, and often I find myself stumbling
across some feature and begin studying it and experimenting with variations
on it.  Many times I spend maybe a week exploring this new "feature" before
I get back to my main programming project.

Right now, I'm finally beginning to get into G-Windows programming.  There
is a whole bunch of calls and stuff I'll need to get familiar with.  The
Development System I got has about 270 pages (size of those for OS9 L-2
docs).  Mostly you have one code per page.  Well - actually they are
for the most part parameters passed by one of two functions, and these
functions have a Set and a Get function call.  I just spent a week trying
to figure out how to get the text to write in the correct colors, and it
was pretty simple after it finally dawned on me. <G>

 > Can you believe this?  I am currently
 > building my 486 box from scratch as I can afford it (just got a
 > Cyrix 486DX2-66MHz CPU yesterday 4/29),  and I will be getting
 > a 486SX from this course as well.  I thought I was already
 > hip deep in computers right now (about 10 at last count).

Wow!  Where do you put them all?  I actually own 4, my Delmar machine,
One coco-3 set up on the kitchen cabinet, another coco-3 at my brother's,
and a coco-2 I loaned out (and never expect to get back).  I would like
to have a "mainline" machine but have no idea where I'd put it <G>...

Well, TTYL...

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92512 30-APR 16:54 General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92509)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

01GEN said to To JOHNREED:
 > Right now, with what I have invested in putting my 486 to-
 > gether and this course I am taking,  I will have to wait for
 > quite some time before I could even think about getting an
 > OS-9/68K machine even at an entry level price.
 > Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

Well, there's no doubt that it's at the very least an expensive proposition
by the time you get everything you need.  And if you need compatibility,
then you need your compatible machine first.  But I must say that I'm
really having a ball with my system.  At times I look at the compatible
people and wish I could do a few of the things they are doing, but maybe
someday...

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92536 7-MAY 12:21  General Information
     RE: What is happening here? (Re: Msg 92511)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING (NR)

Hi Dave,

  I have a 2 bedroom apartment (living alone) and I have set up the
smaller one for my computting and course studies.  I have a computer
desk with printer stand that I have this CoCo 3 sprawled all over.
This is along 2 walls.  Right next to the desk I have a 3 drawer
dresser which holds all my CoCo software, blank disks, PC software,
printer ribbons...  On it I have a CoCo 3 with 512k that I use for
playing games on, when I get a chance.  On the 3rd wall I have a
conference table where I do my course studies.  I have a CoCo 2
stored in the corner where the table and dresser meet.  In the
closet, I have my original CoCo 3 stored for sentimental reasons. I
also have my computer books and more software on the shelf.  In the
other bedroom I store all the rest of the computers and peripherals.
I even have the Xenix OS and software for a 286, if you can believe
that.  Why?  I do not know!  Maybe I will give one of these 486s to
my son and use his 286 to check it out.  Who knows?
  All I need now, to get my 486 launched, is memory and video.  I
can taste the speed on the Internet already.  I would say that it
will be running within the next 2 months.
  I just got a line on an 85Meg HD that I want for this CoCo.  MFM,
will not have to fiddle with the RLL any more.  I know this one is
in good condition, it sits in a 386 at work which is just idle right
now.  The boss is going to get new software for the company, against
my better judgement, but then again, he's the BOSS.  The software
owner wants to see if he can use the 386 as a server with a SCSI
drive in it.  I can see the boss' point, local support and such.  I
just do not like the software.
  Well Dave, I hope you have a better idea as to where a packrat
keeps all his computers.  One of these days I am going to have to
take some of this stuff to the swap meet and sell it to someone
else like me. :>  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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92448 24-APR 21:01 General Information
     RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92343)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: TAULBORG

 MPI for you, upgraded. Are you going to the fest? If not, E-mail
me with an offer. Charlie

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92468 25-APR 19:56 General Information
     RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92393)
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: TAULBORG

Unfortunately, the SCII and the B&B require a MultiPak.  However, if you
did have low power draw packs, you can run a multiple y-cable.  The one
on our OS-9 Level II BBS has a 4 way cable, with an LR Tech HD interface,
a Ken-Ton Dual Comm pak, a Tandy Floppy Controller, and at this time a
spare in case we want to add another Dual Comm pak for 4 lines.  We used
to have 2 running, but with declining membership, we reduced it to 1
line.  The club is the Erie County Color Computer Club (ecccc), and have
been around since about 1982.  The BBS number is (716)649-1368, 8 bit,
not parity, 3/12/2400 bps.  Our newsletter is available for downloading
on our system. Usually only a page or two, so long distance won't be
too much.  Does your club run a BBS?

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92475 25-APR 22:34 General Information
     RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92448)
     From: TAULBORG     To: CHARLESAM

I can only offer you $20 plus shipping,I know that that is probably not
what you were looking for but it is ALL I can afford right now!With a new
daughter the money is really tight but the coco spirit lives on!
Please reply even if you think my offer sucks!
Steven P Tualborg

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92476 25-APR 22:55 General Information
     RE: mpi 26-3124 (Re: Msg 92468)
     From: TAULBORG     To: NEALSTEWARD

We don't run a BBS but we do have space on tinternet,We can be found
at freenet of Columbus ohio,just look for freenets and look for special
interest groups I think and we are there!There is only info there but if you can

leave a message we can get any legal

files that we can to you.Our newsletter is NOT online but I hope to get
it that way!We are a small club but we are still hereand plan to stay
that way for a while.if you would like to swap newsletters via US mail
please let me know!
Steven P Taulborg
Delphi Taulborg
Internet
staulborg@freenet.columbus.oh.usa

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End of Thread.

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92449 24-APR 21:12 General Information
     RE: Complete CoCo3 OS-9 Package. (Re: Msg 92403)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: CARL_D

Carl, I got all your stated hardware and then some. And I am going to the fest.
If your interested, e-mail me and maybe we can make a deal. I'll bring all
your hardware with me. Charlie

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92451 24-APR 21:19 General Information
     RE: press return to continue? (Re: Msg 92426)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MITHELEN


  Hey Paul,

> Sorry for messing all you off-line reader users up guys! My fault!

  (he,he).. It's funny now, but you can just imagine the `fun' when
you login and... clunk :)

> ... Sorry for the problems...

  Hey, no problem, it did get fixed <g>.

  Later Paul ..

  John -


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92452 24-APR 21:23 General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92423)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: 01GEN40

 > Hello to all,
 >
 > Well, once again, I am in search of some problem solving.  Basically,
 > what I am doing is trying to upgrade my CoCos hard drive from an MFM to
 > an RLL.  (No I am not tring to make my MFM an RLL, that is beyond the

 > Now, here is the problem.  Using both of the parameter setups stated
 > above, when trying to format the hard drive I receive ERROR #208 - Il-
 > legal Service Request.
 > I have made 1 major modification to the controller card, I removed
 > the "ROM" and soldered in a socket so I could use my XT-ROM.  No other
 > modifications were made.  I know that this hard drive works.  I pulled


  Just a quick thought. You did use a driver that is capable of formatting
the drive?? Yes??? If the driver BB??hdisk does not have an F in it i.e.
BBFhdisk, the driver will not format the drive. This would give you the 208
error.

                                             Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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92504 30-APR 12:09 General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92429)
     From: 01GEN40      To: WDTV5

Hi Gene,
  The only thing I am trying to change is the HD and its controller.
The conntroller is in my existing B&B interface and it will be
in slot #3.  As in my original message, all configurations remained
the same save for the HD and controller.  I have a new clock module
and have updated many of my other system modules as well.  My system
clock is updated from the hardware clock about every minute.  The
system clock is automatically set at bootup without the use of B&Bs
clkget module.  I do use the clkset module to update the hardware
clock such as when we have a time change.  I do not remember any-
thing said about the slot # being, what did you say, 1 less than
what is entered into ddmaker.  I will go over my docs for the B&B
interface and ddmaker to verify this and if so will redo my descrip-
tor again.  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92505 30-APR 12:17 General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92443)
     From: 01GEN40      To: NETCRUISER (NR)

From what I understand, Chris is very hard to get ahold of.  I
cannot wait very long for any kind of reply from him.  I do not
know how much life is let in this ailing ST-225.  Like I said,
I shut it down when not doing any accesses such as when I am on
line right now.  I have OSterm on a ram disk and run solely
from it.  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92506 30-APR 12:28 General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92452)
     From: 01GEN40      To: HAWKSOFT

Hi Chris,
  When I originally setup an HD on this CoCo, I renamed the format-
table driver BBFHDISK to BBHDISK so that I could format a sec-
ond hard drive as well.  I cobblered a freshly formatted disk using
the OS9Boot file on the ST-225 and only updated the hd module for
use of the RLL HD..  I think I am going to persue the idea that
Gene gave me about the slot # being 1 less than that which is entered
into ddmaker.  Since I entered slot #3 I will put the controller
into slot #2 and see if this solves the problem with my ERROR 208.


  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92514 30-APR 21:48 General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92504)
     From: WDTV5        To: 01GEN40

When I was refering to the slot being 1 less than the number on the mpi
slot, that was in reference to slot 1 actually being a zero in the
descriptor, etc. ddmaker as I recall, handles that. The clock you're
running however may not be as bulletproof. I tried to use that one myself
and wound up disassembling it to find that not all the so-called ed 9
fixes were in it. I seem to recall that after 2-3 aborted attemps to
repair it, i gave up and went back to the ed 9 version. Then about that
time, I bought a supercontroller II and 4n1 plus a 7120s Maxtor drive.
So I had to start fixing clocks all over again and eventually have one
that works for this Nitros9 system and the 4n1. Now the only problem
with it is the powerup/down glitches will destroy one, sometimes 2 of
the hardware registers in this clock chip requireing it be set again.
Problems with that, along with the need to drop back to (ugghhh) RSDOS
to set the thing caused me to rewrite the clock again. This one sets
itself from the hardware every few minutes and at bootup, has an alarm
that works, has the F$Stime added back in so I can use "setime" to set
it, all that. I've passed it out here and there but I don't know at this
late date if its in the database here. Its pretty specific to the Disto
4n1 and Nitros9 though. For anyone who has this setup, I'd be glad to
mail it to them if they request it. As to the -27x controller, I've
had lots of errors made byt it. But time will tell, I now have the
drive on my office machine running as an MFM drive in tandem with an
awfully old 10 meg Tandon which has never lost a byte! If the drive
turns flacky now at MFM standards, then it really was a junker all along.
Give me another month and I'll be able to tell. I seemed to reduce, but
not kill completely, the errors I had by replacing the -27x with a
Seagate ST-11r controller. That required a reformatting of the drive as
the two rll controllers apparently didn't in fact speak the same
language at the drive cable.
Let me look around and see if I can ident the clock I tried to patch
up for that setup. If my notes say it worked, I'll mail you a copy.
The stocker for that setup will miss up to 4 chars in a row several
times a minute while downloading at 2400 baud, thats its trademark.
Good luck otherwise Gene, Gene

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92521 3-MAY 00:19  General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92514)
     From: REVKAK       To: WDTV5

Gene, I too use the Disto 4-in-1 and Nitro. Would very much like to look
at and use your clock module. Could you please send me a copy with docs?

Thanks, Keith

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92528 6-MAY 19:41  General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92521)
     From: WDTV5        To: REVKAK

Sure, just let me get it together again. I did send it to Tony, but I
don't know where it went from there. Also sent it to Alan/Colin too, but
that was a version or 2 of nitro back. You are here, so I can mail you
binaries, check your mailbox Sunday evening or so.
Cheers Keith, Gene

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92537 7-MAY 12:47  General Information
     RE: RLL HD Troubles. (Re: Msg 92514)
     From: 01GEN40      To: WDTV5 (NR)

Hello Gene,
  Don't you just hate it when someone says "Hi Gene"?  Makes you
think of cleanlyness!
  I have not had a chance to work on the RLL descriptor again.  Be-
sides that, I just got a line on an 85Meg MFM Seagate HD.  It sits
in a 386 at work and I told the boss I wanted to by it if we use it
(the 386) as a server with a SCSI drive in it.  He has already told
me I could.  I may just let this RLL collect dust.
As far as the clock, I have had absolutely no problems with it. I
would have to check my logbook to see which clock module it is that
I found.  As far as disassembly and hacking, the closest I came to
doing something like that was when I did my patch to INIT to load
cc3go from the CMDS directory and a 1 byte fix to fix something that
was mentioned by Kevin Darling.  I would have to read the docs to
remember what it was.  If I remember right, I think it had something
to do with the device table, ahh I do not remember.  That was about
3 years ago I think.  That 1 byte fix was also done by accident.  I
knew about it and changed it somewhere along the line.
  You know, I just thought of something.  An MFM HD cannot be used
as an RLL but, if I am not mistaken, I think that an RLL can be used
as an MFM.  I seem to remember reading about that somewhere.  Is it
possible to do?  If it is, that will be my second course of action
if I cannot get the 85 Megger.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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92454 24-APR 21:39 General Information
     fest
     From: NETCRUISER   To: ALL

hey, what are the chances of a fest happening in Washington DC one of these
years?

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92455 24-APR 23:03 General Information
     RE: fest (Re: Msg 92454)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NETCRUISER

Well, the way it works, for both the Chicago and Atlanta Fests, is that
a local club set sponsers it, does all the work organizeing it, puts out
the initial capital for reserveing a place to hold it, aranges hotel "bargins",
makes up add copy, and all that "leg work". So the odds of a Fest happening
somewhere else (like D.C.) is dependant on if there is a strong support group
already in that area to do that kind of work and to make the financial
commitment. If one happens, though, I'll be there. Always wanted an excuse
to take a trip out that way...
--
Paul

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92465 25-APR 17:54 General Information
     RE: fest (Re: Msg 92455)
     From: NETCRUISER   To: MITHELEN

hmmm. i dont know if there is support for it out here or not. Im kinda in
a vacuum that way. as far as i know im the only one! (but of course i must
be wrong, right? hello? hello! anyone there!!! <sob><shudder> ;\   )
-r

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92481 26-APR 01:42 General Information
     RE: fest (Re: Msg 92465)
     From: CARL_D       To: NETCRUISER (NR)

hmmm. i dont know if there is support for it out here or not.
Im kinda in
a vacuum that way. as far as i know im the only one! (but of
course i must
be wrong, right? hello? hello! anyone there!!! <sob><shudder>
;\   )
-r
---------

Believe it or not, I was at the local Chess Club, when I was
explaining to a friend exactly where it was I was going this
weekend (to the Fest o'course) when another guy asked about
what computer I was talking about.  Turns out he was a former
cocoist also!  Seems were all over the place you just have to
sniff us out.  :)   Cheers, NET.

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End of Thread.

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92456 24-APR 23:09 General Information
     RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 92406)
     From: WA2EGP       To: NETCRUISER

Another one living a linear existance......

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92466 25-APR 17:55 General Information
     RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 92456)
     From: NETCRUISER   To: WA2EGP

but i view time as being multi dimensional...
no wait! you suckered me into the conversation! no! i wont talk about
stephen hawking! i wont!

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92471 25-APR 21:33 General Information
     RE: Think about it... (Re: Msg 92466)
     From: WA2EGP       To: NETCRUISER (NR)

Heh, heh.  Well, the last that I read, there may have been as many as 11
dimensions at the time of the formation of the universe but as things cooled
off, most folded in on themselves, leaving us with the four.  Actually, I like
to see any object (with mass) go close to the speed of light, just to see what
happens.  Yeah, I know they have gotten subatomic particles close, but I'm
talkin' real mass! (grin)

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End of Thread.

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92457 24-APR 23:22 General Information
     RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92444)
     From: JMURPHY      To: NETCRUISER

> may i suggest that this discussion is verging on being off-topic for this
> forum?
> also, please, let's not start a flame war -- this forum has had enough of
> them, and you two seem on the edge.
>
Um, absolutely. I _am_ way off topic.

In my defense, I do tend to get cranky when people say Microsoft
sucks, and then give examples of user error, rather than MS error.

Sorry for wasting everybody's time on this.

John Murphy

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92467 25-APR 17:56 General Information
     RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92457)
     From: NETCRUISER   To: JMURPHY

(sorry i cant resist)
-- is MS Error in the MS Office suite?
ROTFL but im probably the only one

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92503 30-APR 11:54 General Information
     RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92424)
     From: 01GEN40      To: JMURPHY

Let's face it, Microsoft puts out inferior software.  They know
that and that is why they do the things the do.  Their personal
finance software cannot even come close to the power of Quicken
so what do they do?  They try to buy Intuits technology and give
their inferior technology to someone like Novell!  This, just
one example of their nasty deeds.
Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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92510 30-APR 13:27 General Information
     RE: Mistaken Smartdrv info. (Re: Msg 92503)
     From: 01GEN40      To: 01GEN40

I aggree with Netcruiser, this thread is finished.  I will
say that my opinion(s) about Microsoft stands and I respect the
opinion of others...  So, JMURPHY, as of this message, I
will not respond to any others unless they are non-Microsoft in
subject.  It is intersting reading all the different opinions
that others have...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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92462 25-APR 01:03 General Information
     Linux CD
     From: JHICKLE      To: GREGL (NR)

From the ads i've seen, some folks are distributing the Linux on CD or
diskette and selling support.  Checking out a C Users Journal: Linux Systems
Labs (810-954-2829) has a 900 phone #, $2.95/min.  Lessee, that's $177/hour...
probably in the neighborhood of what companies like Data General charge.
Even if they're idiots, they're as much help as the big guys <G>.

Citrix takes os/2  v2.0, adds multiuser stuff and deletes the graphics
crap and resells it for $995.  You call them for tech support and they
refer you back to the VAR you got it from who, in my experience, are NO
HELP AT ALL and often won't return your calls tho they charge you $125
a month for "software support".   Don't buy Citrix from ComputeRx in Richmond.
Their Citrix guy (Tommy) blames all problems on any hardware you didn't
buy from them, Especially if you don't run all your modems and terminals
(all one of them) from a $1500 DigiBoard. Or buy a $1500 (magic number?)
Exabyte tape drive when a $99 Jumbo will do the job.

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92470 25-APR 20:47 General Information
     OS manuals
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ALL

m a little surprised there are no takers, in my offer to furnis OS manuals
 to a booth at theh fest.   Perhaos thhe booths are full,, or you have some
 to offer your self.
  I'll offer theese foro theh price of shipping to UPGRADE MAgazines readers
 in th next issue.  The rest will halp fill theh truck that comes by every
 Friday.  They,,, I'm sure will take 'em.
  til then,,, Terry g

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92483 26-APR 01:48 General Information
     RE: OS manuals (Re: Msg 92470)
     From: CARL_D       To: MRUPGRADE

m a little surprised there are no takers, in my offer to furnis
OS manuals
 to a booth at theh fest.   Perhaos thhe booths are full,, or
you have some
 to offer your self.
  I'll offer theese foro theh price of shipping to UPGRADE
MAgazines readers
 in th next issue.  The rest will halp fill theh truck that
comes by every
 Friday.  They,,, I'm sure will take 'em.
  til then,,, Terry g

****************************

What manuals are these Terry?   What ever it is don't throw it
away!!!  I'll take a couple.  (Won't get  a chance to subscribe
to UPGRADE until I actually get to the Fest.

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92485 26-APR 20:09 General Information
     RE: OS manuals (Re: Msg 92483)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: CARL_D

   I won't be at theh Fest.  We ( Mid Iowa & Country CoCo/ The UPGRADE
 Magazine) do snend at least some finicial,, as well as promo support each
 year.  But Chicago,, is a bit costly,, with my business in swing,, for me
 that is.
 I'll probably clear 'em out in theh next UPGRADE.
    .
    (~~~~~~~~~~~~)))
    (----   -----)))
         l  l l\\\\
         l  l l~~~~   il
         l  l l       hen
         l  l l       erry  g
         \\\\\\\
          ~~~~~~~
  *   Hooked on phonics works real well   *
  *  huked on foniks, a grate wae to spel *

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92486 26-APR 20:57 General Information
     RE: OS manuals (Re: Msg 92485)
     From: CARL_D       To: MRUPGRADE

Ok, well see what happens.  Maybe I'll pick up a subscription to the mag at
Chicago.

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End of Thread.

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92474 25-APR 22:32 General Information
     PC-forum assistance.
     From: CHARLESAM    To: ALL

I know I went and put ny bucks into a PClone. I even went over there to the
PC-forum and asked a simple question of a former Cocoist. What I got back was
"Golly gee, shucks, you do have a problem". No solution though. Not even a hint.

That quote wasn't word for word but the flavor is correct. I was warned. There
is no place like this place for friendly assistance. The problem I have now is
I won't ask anymore Pc questions here. So, I quess those PC owners here can
expect E-mail. This is home. Thank you, Charlie
PS- See you all in Elgin.

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92488 26-APR 21:08 General Information
     RE: PC-forum assistance. (Re: Msg 92474)
     From: ISC          To: CHARLESAM

 I won't ask anymore Pc questions here. So, I quess those PC owners here can
> expect E-mail. This is home. Thank you, Charlie
> PS- See you all in Elgin.
>
Email me with PC questions anytime, Charlie.

Bill

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92492 26-APR 23:26 General Information
     RE: PC-forum assistance. (Re: Msg 92488)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: ISC

I'll definitely do that. I'll jump to mail with one now. Thanx Charlie

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End of Thread.

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92478 26-APR 01:00 General Information
     CDl BASIC
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

For those interested in CDL Basic, I'll have copies  available for sale and
DEMO at the fest.
I'll also be bringing some new stuff, a bible program, the Ribbs/OSK beta,
an updated KTERM, PUPPO adaptors, and CoCo 512K upgrades, SCSI Hard drives,
a floptical drive, and some other nice things.....


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92480 26-APR 01:32 General Information
     RE: CDl BASIC (Re: Msg 92478)
     From: BOISY        To: NIMITZ

Cool, David.  Loking forward to seeing you there.

I'll be delivering the MM/1 port of Planet Engine 1.1 to the DALTRUG folks
Friday night, so that will be for sale.  It also looks like I'll have
LinkUp Ed. 10 ready by the fest also.

See you there.

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92491 26-APR 23:01 General Information
     RE: CDl BASIC (Re: Msg 92478)
     From: REVKAK       To: NIMITZ

Is the Bible program for OSK or 6x09 flavor OS9? I hope for 6x09.

Keith

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92495 27-APR 19:46 General Information
     RE: CDl BASIC (Re: Msg 92480)
     From: NIMITZ       To: BOISY

Thanks, Great work on Uplink BTW - now that John's got the ANSI on KTerm
up to par, Uplink goes out with all MM/1s..

Thanks!

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92496 27-APR 19:46 General Information
     RE: CDl BASIC (Re: Msg 92491)
     From: NIMITZ       To: REVKAK

Unfortunately, it is for OSK only.  It is written in CDL Basic.

David

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End of Thread.

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92479 26-APR 01:32 General Information
     OS manuals
     From: KSCALES      To: ALL

 > m a little surprised there are no takers, in my offer to furnis OS
 > manuals to a booth at theh fest.   Perhaos thhe booths are full,, or you
 > have some to offer your self.

I'm pretty sure that Terry is referring to "OS-9" manuals, in case you
were confused.  He seems to have a problem with his "9" key.

Looks like an offer that will be of interest to anyone who has had their manuals

stolen,
lost them, or didn't receive a set when they purchased the OS-9 package.

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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92482 26-APR 01:45 General Information
     OS-9/68K
     From: CARL_D       To: ALL

 I was talking to Bill Wittman on the phone yesterday, and he
plans to have a working model of his new OS-9/68k computer
at the Chicago fest.  This sounds like a good choice for a
budget entry into OS-9/68k.  There was a full description
posted here some time ago.

**************************

Actually you can probably find a used Atari ST pretty cheap
these days.  I believe this 68K machine has a version of OS-9
for it.  Could be wrong tho'

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92493 27-APR 01:21 General Information
     RE: OS-9/68K (Re: Msg 92482)
     From: DBREEDING    To: CARL_D

 > Actually you can probably find a used Atari ST pretty cheap
 > these days.  I believe this 68K machine has a version of OS-9
 > for it.  Could be wrong tho'

The only problem with the Atari is that OS9 is ridiculously expensive.  I
think it's around $600?  Didn't look, but I think that's right.  You can
almost get a terminal system complete with OS9 and all for that price.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92498 27-APR 22:45 General Information
     RE: OS-9/68K (Re: Msg 92482)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: CARL_D


  I have a old version (2.2) Personal system that I got years ago
that cost at that time $150.00 and came with the OS and Basic..
thats it.. no `asm' or `C' or `libs'.  It is text only, no graphics,
no GUI.  In its day it was fun to learn `OSK' on, but I don't know
if there are newer versions for the Atari ST anymore.

BTW: Kevin Darling did a early window system for it.  You got four
windows with a shell in each.  These windows were text only.

   John -


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End of Thread.

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92484 26-APR 01:51 General Information
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92391)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: BROWN80

Yes, but just because OS9 is availiable for SOME poerePC based
(PowerPC) based VME boards does not imply that we will be able to
install it on a personal computer and develop software for industrial
control systems in the office.  I just happen to believe that one
would be better off with software that ALSO runs on desktop systems,
rather than having to depend on cross-compilers, Unibridge, or
what-have-you.  I was reading an article tonight by some GM engineers
who advocate using Windows NT for the "standard" OS for control
systems.  They specifically mention OS9 as not being suitable due to
it's proprietary nature (like, non-standard) and that it does not
use the "standard" Windows GUI.  I suppose they want to have Excel
spreadsheet and other "standard" applications running on the system.

Allen

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92502 29-APR 16:08 General Information
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92484)
     From: THETAURUS    To: AJMLFCO

         >>I suppose theyw want to have Excel spreadsheett and other
       "standard" applications running on the system.<<

         The only flaw in that logic is that, as I understand it, OS-9000
       will allow the execution of just about any Dos and/or Windows
       program. Unless they know of a way one of those programs might not
       work under an OS-9 environment, there is no reason OS-9000 can't
       use the "standard" GUI(you know, the one that will be obsolete
       next week <G>).

     >Chris<

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92516 1-MAY 01:14  General Information
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 92502)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: THETAURUS

It is true that one can run Windows under OS-9000, I believe it is
only in "real mode"--No extended memory.  I have played around with
OS-9000 a little and since that was almost a year ago, I have forgotten
a lot.  Also, it may be changed by now.  I did get the impression that
it was like having two separate computers, an OS-9000 system and a
DOS sytem at the same time.  One thing we never got worked out was
a clean "tunnel" between the two systems.  It was like having  two
separate computers to such an extent that one might as well have bought
two cpu's.

Allen

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End of Thread.

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92489 26-APR 22:36 Programmers Den
     F$Fork & F$Wait
     From: WDTV5        To: ALL

Howdy all; I have a bit of a programming connundrum that I sure could
use some help with.

My current programming project can launch other programs using the
F$Fork system call, but may or may not be asked to synchronize itself
with the child process by immediatly doing the F$Wait call.

The problem I forsee is that if it chooses not to do the F$Wait because
the child launching parameter line contained an ampersand(&) indicating
the child is to run concurrently. Having previously attempted to pass
the & on to the child, only to have the Wait call return it as the error
variable in regs.b, I am now attempting to handle that in the caller
instead of the system/child by skipping the Wait instead of passing
the & in the parameter area.

However, my program still needs to know when the child process dies
so it can do any required "cleanup", like telling the shell to shut
the logging back off for instance.

How can I know when the child process has died without doing the Wait?
Cheers all, Gene Heskett


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92490 26-APR 22:57 Programmers Den
     RE: F$Fork & F$Wait (Re: Msg 92489)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5

Gene,

 Yep, as you found out, the "&" is a shell switch to not F$Wait. The system
doesn't know a thing about it. As far as tracking children without waiting (hand

and foot) on them can be done various ways in special cases. I can't think of a
generic way to do it... which is probably why shell doesn't.

 Ah... I got a way... but it requires VRN. Have the parent set up a signal trap,

and then open a path to VRN and request a cyclic repeating timer signal. While
you have children forked off, periodicly issue a F$Wait. The signal from VRN
will wake you back up. When you wake up, test to see if it was a wait return, or

a signal.

 With dedicated parent and child, it would be easier to have the child send a
signal to the parent just before exiting. Parent gets signal, issues F$Wait to
clean system, then does any final cleanup required.


   Randy

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92499 27-APR 22:58 Programmers Den
     RE: F$Fork & F$Wait (Re: Msg 92490)
     From: WDTV5        To: RANDYKWILSON

Unforch, that would require re-writing everything in the cmds dir plus
a wagon-load of scripts in order to make them return the signal. The vrn
idea intrigues me tho, is that in the docs for vrn? Presntly I'm keeping
the ID of the child, and doing an F$GProcP each minute to see if I get
an error if that ID no longer exists, but its now leaving a DEAD path
in the pathtable for each pass thru the loop. In 15 mins the table
fills up, and it error 237 time from then till reboot for anything.
I'll give that some attention tho, might just be what the doctor ordered.
Thanks Randy, Gene

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End of Thread.

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92494 27-APR 16:40 General Information
     Atari OS-9
     From: CARL_D       To: DBREEDING

Someone else mentioned that.  I had no idea it was so expensive, kind of
obviates the cheapness of the system.

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92497 27-APR 19:54 General Information
     See you on Saturday, I hope
     From: JEJONES      To: ALL

My MM/1a is packed, or I'd use InfoXpress...I hope that I'll see lots
of people in Chicago this weekend.  Boisy and I will be on our way Friday
morning.

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92500 27-APR 23:22 General Information
     LinkUp #10!
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

Finally, LinkUp edition 10 has been finished and is now available in
the New Uploads section of the database.  I'll also be giving out copies
of it (and some other cool stuff that Mike Haaland and I have been working
on) at the fest.

Speaking of the fest, like James said, we're heading out early tomorrow
morning.  I can't wait!

Be on the lookout for cool stuff!

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92513 30-APR 20:21 General Information
     RE: LinkUp #10! (Re: Msg 92500)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: BOISY

   Boisy,

> Finally, LinkUp edition 10 has been finished and is now available in
> the New Uploads section of the database.  I'll also be giving out copies
> of it (and some other cool stuff that Mike Haaland and I have been
> working on) at the fest.

  Could you tell us `what' some of this `other cool stuff' is ? :)

  I downloaded linkup, and it does look & sound great <G>.  Will get
back to you after `playing' some more.

  John -


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End of Thread.

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92501 29-APR 08:18 General Information
     RE: UUdecoding (Re: Msg 92435)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: RANDYKWILSON

 > It's the file attributes, Unix style. In octal. Simplifying a bit, 4 =
 > read, 2=write, and 1 = execute. Unix has permissions for owner, group, and
 > public. So in this case, it is owner read/write, and group and public read
 > only.

 Thanks for the lesson, Randy. Maybe if I hang around long enough I
will learn something!

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92515 1-MAY 00:52  General Information
     Fest
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

My dear friends:

Once again another Fest has come to a close.  It was a wonderful
time, and while I am certain that Allen Huffman will once again
post his Fest review, I would just like to comment that, from
my humble perspective, it was a success.  There was new hardware
and software.  Rick Ulland of Conect debuted the Fast232 serial
port, and Northern Exposure had an AT Keyboard Adapter.  Nitros9
1.21 was available.  And Chris Dekker, an extremely talented
programmer, who does a lot of work in Basic09 had several
excellent pieces of software, including BasicBoost, which speeds
up Basic09/RUNB and ScreenBoost.  ScreenBoost, is a "monk-must".
It greatly speeds up GRFDRV and does such neat things as
horizontal scrolling on type 2 text screens.  There were lots
of other new things for both OS-9 and OSK.  Please forgive me
for not mentioning all of you by name, but it is somewhat late
for me as I am writing this.

On a more personal note, it was certainly a great joy for me to
be able to attend.  It is always so wonderful to see so many old
friends again, and get to put names and faces together of new ones.

I would be remiss if I did not publically offer my heartfelt
thanks to all who put in so much time and effort to make this
fest possible.  Glenside, and in particular, Tony Podraza, did
an outstanding job.

Finally, thank you to all of you for the many acts of kindness
which you showed me once again.  The warmth of your greetings,
the conversations, and the special times we had together are a
blessing to me.  Your friendships are very precious to me.  Thank
you for allowing me to be with you and for sharing a part of your
life with me.


::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: With all best wishes, ::::::  2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

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92517 1-MAY 19:45  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92515)
     From: CARL_D       To: REVWCP

I can only echo Br. Jeremy's words.  This was my first CoCoFest in ten or so
years, and I had a great time.  Br. Jeremy's 'Gospel Song' for OS-9 Lv. 3 was
something I'll not soon forger.
So who's up for Atlanta?

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92518 2-MAY 22:52  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92517)
     From: REVWCP       To: CARL_D

Dear Carl:

It was a pleasure meeting you.  God willing, I will be going to Atlanta
this year.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: With all best wishes, ::::::  2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

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92538 7-MAY 12:53  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 92517)
     From: 01GEN40      To: CARL_D (NR)

OS-9 Lv. 3???  Is this, by any chance, for the CoCo 3?  If so, I
would like to find out more about it!  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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92519 2-MAY 23:20  General Information
     Fest 96
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends:

As I said in a prior post the Spring CoCoFest in Chicago was a
wonderful time for me.  To that end I would like to direct this
to Glenside and all interested parties:



  I  would  like  to officially register not only as the first
  attendee for the May 18th and 19th 1996 Fest in  Chicago  (I
  already  have  a  room  reserved)  but  I would also like to
  officially register to be an exhibitor.  With  all  the  odd
  equipment  I  have  managed  to  accumulate,  (The Prototype
  COCO3's used by Microware to write OS9 Level 2, plus a  copy
  of  the  never released Level 2 Upgrade) I figure I might as
  well have a booth.  Who  knows  I  might  even  have  a  few
  products  to  sell.   Perhaps a new vendor is on the horizon

                   --M O N K O W A R E-



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:: With all best wishes, ::::::  2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::
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92520 2-MAY 23:30  General Information
     Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest
     From: JEJONES      To: ALL

First, a disclaimer--I didn't take notes, and what I noticed is a function
of my personal interests and erratic-at-best observational abilities.  The
following is going to reflect that, and if I've left anything or anyone out,
it's due to my lapses, not by intent.  OK?

That said, here's my Fourth Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFest saga.  It started
long ago in a state far, far away, with two young men amazed that they'd
rented such an atrocious video: *Luther the Geek*.

Some years later, one of the two, Boisy Pitre, came to work for Microware
and found (1) a fan of bad movies among his new coworkers and (2) mirabile
dictu, a copy of *Luther the Geek* for rent at a Hy-Vee store.  He and the
coworker--me--watched the movie and somehow managed to see through tears of
laughter as the debits rolled by that (1) the movie is an example of Your
Tax Dollars at Work, being a result of the University of Iowa Film Production
Project, and (2) the movie was filmed in Stirling and Rock Falls, Illinois.
Boisy realized that Stirling was on the scenic route that we took to the
Third "Last" CoCoFest in 1994...and it was clear that this year would be
a Pilgrimage of sorts.

The weather started out gray, but cleared as we entered Illinois, and not
long afterward we stopped at the Casey's near the edge of Stirling.  I'm
constitutionally incapable of keeping a straight face, so I let Boisy ask
the lady at the counter.  She seemed reluctant to admit that Stirling was
the home of *Luther the Geek*--but admitted it, and explained to her
younger coworker.  For a second she was incredulous that we'd come to
Stirling because of the movie, but we assured her this was the path we'd
taken for other purposes, and that *Luther* was just icing on the cake,
or perhaps I should say the batter on the chicken.

We asked her what store a certain scene was filmed in, and she told us
Kroger's.  That was our next stop, and with a little additional help on
the way, we found it.  An employee there knew about the movie, but didn't
seem terribly enthusiastic.  We visited the dairy case, and then went
on our way.

The best thing about the Fest--meeting friends--started upon our arrival.
(I had my first view of Frank Swygert's 1963 Rambler, a beautfully-
maintained car.)  The Hawkses kindly helped us get into our room, and
after dinner, I gave an impromptu demonstration of recursive descent parsing.
I was anxious to buy a CD-ROM drive, but Boisy was more so, and he had
his installed Friday night!  More familiar faces appeared as the evening
went on.

Mostly technical things that stick out in my mind:

 1. The 68306-based computer, running and on display.

 2. The HAWKSoft CD-ROM file manager--they sold out of drives in short
    order.  There are LOTS of CD-ROMs containing source code that is
    begging to be ported out there...

 3. Planet Engine running on the MM/1.

 4. LA-Term.  (*Very* nice looking terminal program.)

 5. Ongoing optimizations in NitrOS-9.

 6. Brother Jeremy's ongoing work to revive abandoned software...and
    his musical plea to Kevin Darling (not to be confused with a certain
    Conway Twitty song, despite having the same first two words).  This
    and the Planet Engine port clearly display that talking to the author
    and/or vendor of software no longer sold is not only preferable to
    rationalizing the piracy of so-called "orphanware," it has better
    results.

 7. Chris Dekker's very neat graphics displays (and his setup that
    uses a serial link to a PClone to let the CoCo use the PClone's
    hard drive).

 8. The continued efforts of vendors and the OS-9 Users Group--they
    deserve your support.

 9. The Iomega Zip drive that Dave Pellerito had hooked up to his MM/1.
    $200 for an outboard SCSI drive that takes removable media about
    the size of a 3.5" floppy but holding 100 Mbytes.  About 30 ms
    access time, and the medium is about $20 a shot.  (Maybe it's
    time to sell my floptical...)

10. Frank Swygert's edited and updated printing of Paul Ward's *Start
    OS-9* under the title *Mastering OS-9 on the Tandy Color Computer 3*.
    It's a book well worth having, and the only thing I wish were
    different is the binding--like the Tandy OS-9 manuals, it's a bit
    too small for the amount of paper therein.

This is far from a complete list of all the cool stuff that was there
to be had--heck, it doesn't even list all the things I bought (though
I didn't buy everything listed; if nothing else, the Zip drive wasn't
for sale).  I'll have to leave it to others to do a more complete report.
In any case, it seemed to me that there were as many people and vendors
as last year, and I hope to be in Elgin once again next year.  (I know
I'll be in Atlanta this October.)

Also omitted above is a lot of pleasant conversation and dining with
old friends--all of whom I know better than I know the people who
live in the condos next to mine.  Thanks, and I hope to see you regularly.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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92522 3-MAY 00:41  General Information
     RE: Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest (Re: Msg 92520)
     From: CARL_D       To: JEJONES

Sorry to not have met you at the Fest.  I did manage to meet Br. Jeremy, Boisy,
ricku, Frank Swygert etc.
I'm going to try for Atlanta see you there.

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92524 4-MAY 21:28  General Information
     RE: Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest (Re: Msg 92520)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: JEJONES (NR)

 > Mostly technical things that stick out in my mind:
 >
 > 1. The 68306-based computer, running and on display.
 >
 > 2. The HAWKSoft CD-ROM file manager--they sold out of drives in short
 > order.  There are LOTS of CD-ROMs containing source code that is
 > begging to be ported out there...
 >
 > 3. Planet Engine running on the MM/1.
 >
 > 4. LA-Term.  (*Very* nice looking terminal program.)
 >
 > 5. Ongoing optimizations in NitrOS-9.
 >
 > 6. Brother Jeremy's ongoing work to revive abandoned software...and
 > his musical plea to Kevin Darling (not to be confused with a certain
 > Conway Twitty song, despite having the same first two words).  This
 > and the Planet Engine port clearly display that talking to the author
 > and/or vendor of software no longer sold is not only preferable to
 > rationalizing the piracy of so-called "orphanware," it has better
 > results.
 >
 > 7. Chris Dekker's very neat graphics displays (and his setup that
 > uses a serial link to a PClone to let the CoCo use the PClone's
 > hard drive).
 >
 > 8. The continued efforts of vendors and the OS-9 Users Group--they
 > deserve your support.
 >
 > 9. The Iomega Zip drive that Dave Pellerito had hooked up to his MM/1.
 > $200 for an outboard SCSI drive that takes removable media about
 > the size of a 3.5" floppy but holding 100 Mbytes.  About 30 ms
 > access time, and the medium is about $20 a shot.  (Maybe it's
 > time to sell my floptical...)
 >
 > 10. Frank Swygert's edited and updated printing of Paul Ward's *Start
 > OS-9* under the title *Mastering OS-9 on the Tandy Color Computer 3*.
 > It's a book well worth having, and the only thing I wish were
 > different is the binding--like the Tandy OS-9 manuals, it's a bit
 > too small for the amount of paper therein.
 >
 Thanks for the report. My job always keeps me away but I've been checking
 in here to find out what happened. Looks like it was an exiting Fest with
 new things still developing!

Bests
---TedJaeger

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92527 6-MAY 16:18  General Information
     RE: Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest (Re: Msg 92520)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JEJONES (NR)


  James,

> 9. The Iomega Zip drive that Dave Pellerito had hooked up to his MM/1.
> $200 for an outboard SCSI drive that takes removable media about
> the size of a 3.5" floppy but holding 100 Mbytes.  About 30 ms
> access time, and the medium is about $20 a shot.  (Maybe it's
> time to sell my floptical...)

  This Zip drive.. is this a tape drive or what ??  Just wondering.. :)

  John -


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92534 7-MAY 01:48  General Information
     RE: Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest (Re: Msg 92527)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNBAER

It is a removable cartirdge hard drive... similar in concept to Bernulli
drive, or flopticals... To the system, it looks just like a hard drive.
--
Paul

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92535 7-MAY 11:28  General Information
     RE: Fourth "Last" Chicago CoCoFest (Re: Msg 92534)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MITHELEN (NR)


  Thanks Paul.  I wasn't sure just _what_ it was after reading James
message and still thinking 3.5 disk size :)  Better get more coffee
to get the brain cells woke up <g>.

  John -


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End of Thread.

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92523 3-MAY 17:34  General Information
     Patch_OS9
     From: CARL_D       To: ALL

I'm having trouble even getting started installing the OS9 patches.  When I try
to edit Bootlist.
I get error 215 bad path, this is after doing a chd /d1/modules and a chx
/d0/cmds.  Any help?

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92525 6-MAY 15:48  Games & Graphics
     RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 88926)
     From: EARTHER      To: ISC

I know this reply is late (I spend more time on the CoCoList than on the
Forum here).  You were having trouble getting Shanghai to run with
with Multi-Vue, though it worked fine without it.  What have you done
since then, if anything?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

          ______/     ______/          EARTHER ENTERPRISES
         /           /
        ____/       ____/              Shawn Driscoll
       /           /                   (619)588-4728
    _________/  _________/             earther@delphi.com

           Programming freeware for OS-9 since 1987.

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92532 6-MAY 23:43  Games & Graphics
     RE: Shanghai and Multivue (Re: Msg 92525)
     From: ISC          To: EARTHER

> I know this reply is late (I spend more time on the CoCoList than on the
> Forum here).  You were having trouble getting Shanghai to run with
> with Multi-Vue, though it worked fine without it.  What have you done
> since then, if anything?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>           ______/     ______/          EARTHER ENTERPRISES
>          /           /
>         ____/       ____/              Shawn Driscoll
>        /           /                   (619)588-4728
>     _________/  _________/             earther@delphi.com
>
>            Programming freeware for OS-9 since 1987.
>
Nice to hear from you again, Shawn. <grin>  I don't remember now what it was
that I did to correct my problem, but Shanghai now runs flawlessly with or
without Multi-Vue.  Thanks for responding and thanks for writing such a great
game program.

Bill

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End of Thread.

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92526 6-MAY 15:58  General Information
     os-9 HALP!!!
     From: CARL_D       To: ALL

I need some basic help with OS-9.  I've got it running with 40 track/ds
drives/80 columns.  I've also got Multi-vue going.  Now how do I get MV to run
on
40T ds drives?

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92529 6-MAY 23:03  General Information
     RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92526)
     From: DBREEDING    To: CARL_D

 > I need some basic help with OS-9.  I've got it running with 40 track/ds
 > drives/80 columns.  I've also got Multi-vue going.  Now how do I get MV to
 > run on 40T ds drives?

It should do so automatically if you have your device descriptors installed.
Doesn't it?  Do you have your 40T-DS descriptors in your bootfile for your
M-V disk?  This is all it should take.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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92533 7-MAY 01:47  General Information
     RE: os-9 HALP!!! (Re: Msg 92529)
     From: CARL_D       To: DBREEDING (NR)

Not so atuomatically at all.  MV want's unmodified disks to install on.  I
edited the bootlist.mv files for 40d.dd but when I try to use os9gen I get
error #21
Not sure just what I'm doing wrong.  Thanks in advance for any help.

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End of Thread.

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92530 6-MAY 23:17  Users Group
     6309 cpu
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: ALL

 Does anyone know if the hd63c09e is compatible with nitros or will nitros run
only with the 6309b variety? Beyond that, Does anyone know of or have a spare
6309 chip that they would be willing to part with for monetary renumeration:->

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92531 6-MAY 23:24  System Modules (6809)
     RE: boots (Re: Msg 90822)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: RICKULAND (NR)

  Let me know what you need. running 512k 6308 disto & 20+40meg HD. I have
origional boots if you need them.

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