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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      10/27/88 20:13  Msg:2546 Call:10005700  Lines:4
 20 Pessimist: one who, when he has the choice of two evils, 
 21 chooses both. -- Oscar Wilde
 22 ****************************************************************
 23  
003=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     10/27/88 20:19  Msg:2547 Call:10005701  Lines:11
 24 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | The Beer mug is half empty!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 25  
 26 In the immortal words of myself, I'M AT THE TOP! I'M AT THE TOP!
 27  
 28 I'M AT THE TOP! I'M AT THE TOP! I'M AT THE TOP! I'M AT THE TOP! HA HA HA
 29  
 30 Sorry about that, but I have to say it. A pessimist is also one who 
 31 sees a Berserker's Beer Mug as half empty rather than half full. A 
 32 suicidal pessimist is one who doesn't immediately fill it up again.
 33  
 34 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | On to drive B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
004=Usr:483 Lord Beaker       10/27/88 21:03  Msg:2548 Call:10005702  Lines:22
 35 ----=-===========-=-----------====-=------=-=========------=-=========-=----
 36 Am I doomed once again to be second?!?  Kurfur, I shudder to ask, but what
 37 time (approximations will do) did you call?
 38  
 39 Wow!  You guys should of seen this.  A 7up can sitting on my desk suddenly 
 40 and for no apparent reason (it was empty) violently imploded.  After months
 41 of queries and research, I have discovered that when the sheets of metal are
 42 flattend to be cut, not all of the stress is taken out of them (it occurs in
 43 the cooling process) and that it is possible for a part of a soft drink can
 44 to be made of a piece that will snap back to form.  Just think if I had just
 45 opended the can and then it imploded (UCK).
 46  
 47 LB\__/
 48    oo
 49 provider of great information (POGI)
 50 -=-=-==-=--{=----------------=-==========================-=----------=-=====
 51 Hmm.  I'm not done yet.  Thanks Hgbrd, I forgot all about those stories, any
 52 one know were I left off (a loooooong time ago)?  I sure am sick of debates.  
 53  
 54 All praise the Will O' The Wisp, for it alone has tried to show human kind its
 55 way...if only we knew how to listen.
 56 -=--{=-======-----------------=-==========-=--------=-========-=--------=-==
005=Usr:507 todd rogers       10/28/88 10:35  Msg:2549 Call:10005709  Lines:3
 57 ------- Finally!
 58 ------- OK people, lets try to fill this disk a little faster
 59 ------- than the last one. FILL THE DISK! FILL THE DISK!
006=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     10/28/88 18:33  Msg:2550 Call:10005722  Lines:5
 60 KKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | The Cat from Hell is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 61  
 62 Well, atch'lly, I called up at about 5 in the afternoon. T'was easy!
 63  
 64 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Don't ask about the Cattttttttttttttttttttttt
007=Usr:78 Mark Derby        10/28/88 20:38  Msg:2551 Call:10005724  Lines:22
 65 .......................................******.........................
 66 ......................................***..***........................
 67 ......................................**....**........................
 68 .......................................******.........................
 69 Oh, so you want to fill the disk as quickly as possible, eh?  I think I can
 70 help the cause a bit.
 71  
 72 I have seen the sleeping knights of Jesus
 73 Gazing out across the open sea
 74 I have seen the sleeping knights of Jesus
 75 And they look extremely tired to me
 76  
 77 Dying of starvation in the gutter
 78 That is all the future holds for me
 79 Or alcoholic poisoning in the toilet of my choice
 80 That's all there is as far as I can see
 81  
 82 Fried to death in seconds by the Russians
 83 Or if you're lucky, just a sudden stroke
 84 A lingering death from fallout, as your teeth and hair fall out
 85 A certain death from cancer if you smoke
 86  
008=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   10/29/88 02:44  Msg:2552 Call:10005734  Lines:19
 87 ]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#
 88            Quicksilver
 89 ]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#
 90  
 91 Been a while... I think close to a year now... so who's here? Anybody I might 
 92 still know?  Sranul?  Piper?
 93  
 94   - - -
 95    Dave walked into the corridor, looking to the right, only to see the
 96 reflection of his own face.  Turning towward it, he could see the contortions
 97 of his own face.  The face he peered into was in such pain, such frustration.
 98 It brought tears to his eyes.  Soon the reflection just began to stare into
 99 deep space, right through Dave.
100    "What is this? Some sick mind game?" he thought, the emotions still tearing
101 at his mind.  As a drop of perspiration rolled down his forehead, he began to
102 catch on...
103  
104 ]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#]!"#
105  
009=Usr:351 art yerkes        10/29/88 20:21  Msg:2553 Call:10005749  Lines:3
106 [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[-----ART YERKES-----]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
107 ART WAS HERE (OBVIOUSLY).
108 [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[------ART YERKES-----]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
010=Usr:351 art yerkes        10/29/88 21:57  Msg:2555 Call:10005755  Lines:3
109 -------------- ENVIRONMENTAL WATCH-----------CUR TIME 21:47-----------------
110 | THIS IS MY NEW BOARDER FROM ART.                                         |
111 --------------------------CLOCK IS SET FOR  12:05---------------------------
011=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   10/30/88 01:46  Msg:2556 Call:10005760  Lines:18
112 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
113                Quicksilver
114 (New border time for me too, Art... This ascii term is a pain)
115 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
116  
117 Must be 'bout 1:13.. my watch is at 2:13. :)
118  
119  - - -
120   He tried to focus his attention at the eyes...  "The eyes," he thought to
121 himself, "the EYES!"  The sweat continued to flow from his brow as his
122 frustration grew.  "The is simply a mind game for the ConTroller to play. This 
123 time I'll win!" he exclaimed to himself.  As he focused his attention further
124 into the eyes of the reflection on the wall to his right, he saw the layers of
125 flesh, muscle, nerves and bones fade away.  Soon, it was gone, and his trance
126 was broken for him to continue down the corridor... to seek the ConTroller.
127  
128 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
129  
012=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine ,  10/30/88 06:37  Msg:2557 Call:10005766  Lines:15
130 {}
131  
132    "Election" time is coming soon.  Be sure to fill in your vote for either
133 mighty mouse or mickey mouse.  After all, you really can't tell the
134 difference between the two candidates.  Or vote for anarchism (not
135 ANARCHY, but ANARCHISM).  Libertarian is just for efficient government
136 (over in-efficient goverment with the current two-party system).
137  
138    Who votes for whom?  I choose to excersice my apathy and not vote
139 for anyone, or anything.
140  
141    Hagbard Celine
142  
143 {}
144  
013=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   10/30/88 10:41  Msg:2558 Call:10005770  Lines:5
145 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
146           Quicksilver
147 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
148 Write in Geddy Lee...
149 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
014=Usr:562 Blank Doe         10/30/88 21:22  Msg:2559 Call:10005785  Lines:3
150 If one is infavour of anarchism I doubt that the person would vote for it.
151  
152 Blank Doe /ww3/nw0/^b
015=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      10/30/88 22:06  Msg:2560 Call:10005786  Lines:3
153 **************************************************************
154 Why not vote for yourself? If you're *really* unlucky, you might win.
155 **************************************************************
016=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  10/30/88 23:00  Msg:2561 Call:10005787  Lines:10
156 &*&*&*&*'s
157 Here I am back again. If everybody votes for themselves we'll have a 
158 100 million way tie. I guess then we could all rule equally. It would
159 be true democracy. 
160   
161 Remember, Vote for yourself!
162  
163 An Astral Dreamer.
164 &*&*&*&*'s
165  
017=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine ,  10/31/88 03:02  Msg:2562 Call:10005791  Lines:8
166 {}
167  
168    Good idea!
169  
170    Hagbard Celine
171  
172 {}
173  
018=Usr:71 David Shult       10/31/88 23:07  Msg:2563 Call:10005795  Lines:40
174 696969696969
175        
176         Hidden Issue:  A.C.L.U. vs. C.I.A.
177    
178         With both presidential candidates running toward the center (when 
179 their campaigns are not busy running negative ads), neither seems willing to 
180 own up to, campaign on or elaborate the core difference that distinguishes 
181 them--namely, the difference between the C.I.A., which George Bush directed, 
182 and the A.C.L.U., whose card Michael Dukakis carries.
183      
184         Consider that, as Speaker of the House Jim Wright pointed out, David 
185 MacMichael, a former C.I.A. analyst, told the World Court under oath that the 
186 C.I.A.'s anti-Sandinista actions were undertaken in the hope that "the 
187 Nicaraguan government would clamp down on civil liberties within Nicaragua, 
188 arresting its opposition."
189         
190         There you have it.  The C.I.A. is for covert action, the A.C.L.U. is 
191 for civil liberty.  The C.I.A. is in the disinformation business, the A.C.L.U. 
192 is in the freedom of information business.  The C.I.A. is involved in the 
193 manipulation of the democratic process, the A.C.L.U. is dedicated to 
194 protecting the democratic process.  The C.I.A.'s mission requires deception, 
195 the A.C.L.U.'s mission requires revelation.  The C.I.A. believes that the ends 
196 justify the means, the A.C.L.U. believes that the means can't be disentangled 
197 from the ends.  The C.I.A.  takes it as its duty to subvert alien ideologies, 
198 the A.C.L.U.  argues for the right to hear them.  The C.I.A. plays the 
199 assassination game, the A.C.L.U. opposes the death penalty on principle.  The 
200 C.I.A. finds the Bill of Rights an inconvenience, the A.C.L.U. regards it as 
201 inviolate.
202     
203         Even those sympathetic to the A.C.L.U. may be reluctant to frame a 
204 campaign in these terms because the union, after all, has only 250,000 
205 members.  To these faint hearts we say, How many members/employees does the 
206 C.I.A. have?  The answer is that it's a secret, and that, after all, is the 
207 point.
208          
209                                 Editorial, October 31, 1988 "The Nation"
210  
211 696969696969696969
212  
213  
019=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/01/88 00:30  Msg:2564 Call:10005798  Lines:38
214 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
215             Quicksilver
216 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
217 Yeah, what he said.
218  
219    I truly beleive that the people who make the ballots up should put in an
220 option to vote someone OUT of office, rather than an unwanted candidate IN just
221 to get the OTHER unwanted candidate OUT.  If I was to vote now, it would simply
222 be to keep the other from gaining office.  My opinion does not lie in favor of
223 either candidate...
224  
225    Anywayz, on with the adventure...
226  
227  - - -
228  
229     Dave had been traveling for several straight hours now, and the trip was
230 making him weary... All he wanted now was a good bed to lie on.  But in fear
231 that the ConTroller might catch him in his sleep, he fought the urge away.  He
232 popped a couple of caffeine tabs, and kept going.
233     Soon, though, the weary traveler was dozing off while he walked.  So he
234 gave up the fight, and leaned against a wall, rolling up his pack to make a
235 nice fluffy pillow.  "What do you think you're doing?" asked a voice from
236 behind Dave's trail.
237     "Do you think you can just curl up in a cute little ball and go to sleep
238 just anywhere you want?" the voice demanded... "Wha?" asked Dave, being as
239 distinguished as he could in his current state. He turned his tired neck around
240 so that he could see back down the corridor, and there stood a large, armoured 
241 creature, with a large fluffy mustache, and thin greyish fur covering its face
242 and extremities.  "Wha," he asked again, trying to sound violent.
243     "Ok, get up... You're not in any condition to talk, so just get up..." said
244 the furry creature.  "How long," asked Dave, "have you been following me?"  The
245 furry creature wiggled its nose and said, "Oh, 'bout 8 hours or so... Been
246 tryin' to stay outa sight 'till ya nodded off.  You know, easier the catch."
247 Dave had to ponder this for a moment.  He hadn't seen anything since the battle
248 with the ConTroller's trick wall, so he wondered if this was another one...
249 He yawned loudly, and then posted the classic interrogative, "What's yer name?"
250  
251 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
020=Usr:71 David Shult       11/01/88 00:48  Msg:2565 Call:10005799  Lines:93
252 #13  29 Oct 88 00:02:39 [1] 
253 From: Eugene Glover
254 To:   All
255 Subj: Trek: The Next Generation Season 2
256  
257 The Child
258  
259 Episode #127   uplink dates: 11/19/88, 11/20/88
260  
261  
262 Cast
263  
264 Captain Jean-Luc Picard   Patrick Stewart
265 Commander William Riker   Jonathan Frakes
266 Lieutenant Geordi La Forge  Le Var Burton
267 Lt. Worf   Michael Dorn
268 Dr. Kate Pulaski   Diana Muldaur
269 Counselor Deanna Troi   Marina Sirtis
270 Lt. Commander Data   Brent Spiner
271 Wesley Crusher   Wil Wheaton
272  
273 Guinan    Whoopi Goldberg
274 Hester Dealt   Seymour Cassel
275  
276 Teleplay by:    Maurice Hurley
277 Story by:    Maurice Hurley and
278      Jaron Summers &
279      Jon Povill
280 Directed by:    Rob Bowman
281  
282 Highlight listing:
283  
284 STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION -- "The Child" --
285 While preparing to transport a deadly plague to a research lab, the crew
286 is stunned by the announcement of Counselor Troi's pregnancy.
287  
288  
289 Advertising copy:
290  
291 BABY ON BOARD!
292  
293 The Crew is stunned to learn that Troi is pregnant.
294  
295  
296 TV log listing:
297 Troi discovers she's pregnant on STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.
298  
299 ***SPOILER WARNING ***
300 The following text contains information about the story
301  
302 This is your last chance
303 ************************************************************** 
304 When a plague in the densely populated Rachelis System races out of
305 control, help from the Enterprise is enlisted in the medical emergency.
306 But while preparing to transport samples of a deadly plasma plague from
307 a Federation research station to a site where a suitable antidote can be
308 developed, the crew is stunned by an unexpected announcement: Counselor Troi
309 is pregnant.
310  
311 According to Troi, a glowing white light impregnated her while she was asleep.
312 Dr. Kate Pulaski, the ship's new Chief Medical Officer, confirms Troi's
313 prognosis and reports that the fetus will reach full term within 36 hours.
314 Not knowing the true origins or intent of this mysterious child, Picard puts
315 the crew on security alert.  But when Troi gives birth to a boy named Ian,
316 he appears to be completely harmless -- although he amazes his mother and the
317 crew when he grows from an infant to an eight-year old child in one day.
318  
319 Meanwhile, Wesley reluctantly prepares to leave the Enterprise and join his
320 mother, who has departed to become head of Starfleet Medical.  Full of mixed
321 emotions, Wesley decides to stay with the ship after receiving encouragement
322 from a new crew member named Guinan.  Later, when Wesley discusses his plans
323 with Picard, the Captain agrees to let the young ensign remain as long as his
324 mother permits it.
325  
326 However, a sudden crisis with the plasma plague puts everyone's future in
327 doubt.  It seems that a contaminated specimen of the hazardous strain has
328 inexplicably begun to grow on the cargo deck due to radiation from an
329 unknown source on board.  Dr. Pulaski reports that, at its current growth rate,
330 the plague could wipe out the ship's entire population within two hours.
331  
332  
333  
334 Unknown to all, Ian is the source of the radiation, and when he realizes this,
335 the remarkable child decides to sactifice his life to save the crew.
336  
337 As a heartbroken Troi looks on, Ian dies and his body reverts to its original
338 state -- a glowing white life-force entity, which tells Troi that Ian had come
339 to her to learn more about humans by experiencing life among them.  Once the
340 entity leaves the ship, the threat is averted and the crew continues their
341 humanitarian mission.
342 ---
343  * Origin: ORAC/2400  (602) 246-6533   Phoenix, Az   (Opus 1:114/12)
344  
021=Usr:71 David Shult       11/01/88 05:19  Msg:2566 Call:10005803  Lines:47
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346 QUAYLE ON DEFENSIVE DOWN TO THE WIRE
347  
348    WASHINGTON - Dan Quayle's vice presidential campaign has been haunted by
349 his past, doubts about his qualifications and the perception he has led an easy
350 life in which the truly tough problems were solved by mom and dad.
351    Controversy marred his elevation from relative obscurity to the national
352 spotlight as George Bush's running mate. And it stymied his attempt to show the
353 country he was more than "just a pretty face."
354    The notion that the Indiana senator was born with the proverbial silver
355 spoon, never having to struggle for money or power, is borne out by his past.
356 As Quayle once told an interviewer, "Life has been very good to me. I never
357 had to worry about where I was going to go."
358    Quayle, 41, has constantly had to defend himself against charges he is
359 unqualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. In response, he touts
360 his chief accomplishments in 12 years in Congress: co-authorship of a job
361 training act and detailed work on the Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces Treaty
362 and other arms-control issues.
363    Before his Oct. 5 debate with Democratic vice presidential nominee Lloyd
364 Bentsen, Quayle frequently added another point, saying he has about the same
365 legislative experience that John F. Kennedy had when he sought the presidency
366 in 1960. That line was dropped after Bentsen's devastating rebuke: "Senator,
367 you're no Jack Kennedy."
368    Quayle denounced as "side-events" questions about his military service,
369 academic record and personal life, but his campaign has never completely
370 escaped them. Signs reading "Chickenhawk," "Who died in your place, Danny?"
371 and "Sissy Rich Kid" confront him from one state to another.
372    Quayle's grandfather was the conservative, self-made publishing magnate,
373 Eugene Pulliam. In 1955, Quayle and his family moved from his native
374 Indianapolis to Phoenix, where his father, James, ran Pulliam newspapers and
375 joined the John Birch Society. The Quayles returned to Indiana in 1963 and his
376 father became publisher - and young Dan eventually became associate publisher -
377 of The Huntington Herald-Press.
378    His performance at DePauw University was average. Graduating in 1969 during
379 the Vietnam War, Quayle would have been eligible for the draft but instead
380 sought admission to the National Guard. He explained to reporters that he did
381 "what any normal person would do ... call home to mother and father and say,
382 `I'd like to get in the National Guard."'
383    One of Congress' more ardent hawks, Quayle insists he wasn't trying to dodge
384 the draft - just to be able to attend law school - and that no undue pressure
385 was applied to get him into the Guard. But a retired major general acknowledged
386 that he asked that a space be held for Quayle after a retired Guard commander -
387 a Pulliam employee - called to recommend him.
388    The future politician also had to do some explaining about how he managed to
389 get into Indiana University School of Law when his grades clearly were lacking.
390 --Associated Press
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393 Lloyd Bentsen, the living dead may be right:
394     Quayle is :
395                NO JFK (cassanova)
396      
397                NO LBJ/FDR (war crazy prez)
398  
399               kNO nothing CARTER either!
400  
401      Quayle didn't go to 'NAM  either unlike Dukakis/Bentsen cohorts
402                Hanoi Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden!
403 Sooooo - What else is new? Well at least Mikhail Dutaxes admitted the
404 "L" word in San Jose.  He said he's like Harry S Truman, the man who
405 made the buck stop and also all the human commerce in Hiroshima and
406 Nagasaki.  I'm sure Mikhail is also capable of stopping the buck -
407 that is stopping it going to our pocket.  He has already made the plan
408 for our buck to make a detour to the rocking chairs of those fat lady
409 broads lazying on their front porches.
410      The DUK makes me PUKE!
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023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/01/88 22:54  Msg:2568 Call:10005827  Lines:25
412 &*&*&*&*'s
413  
414 Gee, how touching. I suppose the fact that I grew up poor makes me less then
415 humen? I'll bet you also think that poor peaple havn't found god.
416  
417 maybe I'm over generalizing. The rhetoric of the right tends to get me into
418 a bit worked up. I suppose I really should ignore it.
419  
420 The selfishness and self centerdness of the right is legendary. It's much
421 easier to accuse everyone else of being lazy then it is to admit that you
422 might have taken advantage of them.
423  
424 I remember almost getting kicked off of a local right wing board because I
425 told somebody who had made a fascist-racist statement to 'grow a brain 
426 moron.'
427  
428 maybe thats the difference between this board and that board. Here I'll
429 tell you what an idiot I think you are. There I'd be if fear of being
430 kicked off for it.
431  
432 In closing I'd like to say that for every admited wrong there are atleat
433 400 denied wrongs.
434  
435 An Astral Dreamer
436 &*&*&*&*'s
024=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine ,  11/02/88 00:45  Msg:2569 Call:10005829  Lines:36
437  
438 {}
439  
440    Attacking others usually is considered part of a deep inferiority
441 complex.  At least by AMA standards.
442  
443    Accusing others of wrong-doing because they are not perfect is one
444 thing.  Accusing them and then saying that you are without flaw is another.
445 With that last sentence, the immaturity of the Dukakis attack message
446 shines like a thermonuclear blast.  If the candidate you back (I would
447 presume Bush for the moment) is so superior, then why fear the other
448 candidate winning the election?  By logical choice, that candidate that
449 you would vote for would win in a landslide election.  This and other
450 problems glare out at me.  I'm personally tired of seeing fanatics
451 bash away at what little is left to human life.  I apply this both to
452 the so-called "Left" and "Right" extremities; both seem a little
453 half-assed in their concepts anyway.  If you claim to be a member of
454 the human race, then GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS AND LOOK AROUND.  You migt
455 learn something - like how to love, pity, fear, and understand other
456 human beings, who are (more or less) in the same predicament that you
457 are in - that you exist in an environment not of your own chooseing,
458 that others face the same problem, and that you can either work
459 together and share what little there is, or work against each other
460 to gain all that there is.  Or, if your mind is of above-avarage
461 material, then you would do a little of both - help yourself, but
462 help others, too.  Or, if this concept is beyond you, you can leave
463 the members of this board alone and go bully someone else - I'm
464 NOT going to take it from you, nor anyone else.  Criticizing opinions
465 are one thing; stating "facts" and forcing your opinions on others
466 isn't right.  And people who do that sometimes get hurt, if you get
467 the hint.  Either tone it down, or face the consequences of your
468 own actions.
469  
470    Hagbard Celine, very human and very upset Guru
471  
472 {}
025=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/02/88 01:18  Msg:2570 Call:10005830  Lines:17
473 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
474           Quicksilver
475 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
476 Hagbard: I don't mean to take sides, but I must say that you have posed an
477 interesting point.  And a true one...  The fact is, that our hashing about (or
478 "theirs" as you might put it) is not above that of the candidates you or they
479 support.  The issues are THERE, ignored and undisputed, but they are THERE...
480 Personal opinion is simply NOT disputable.  One shall have one's own opinion
481 whether or not another likes it.  Why can this not be like the abortion debate?
482 Why can this not be a civil debate?
483  
484 I do not let such ponderings bother me.  I have had my share of character
485 assassinations, so many that, in fact, this could not POSSIBLY bother me... But
486 I can see your offense to the approach to the subject.  I must agree that those
487 who wish to force their opinion upon others should find other places to roam,
488 but that is simply my opinion.
489 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
026=Usr:641 ERNIE NEGUS       11/02/88 10:53  Msg:2571 Call:10005835  Lines:10
490 Recently, several mathmaticians got together to examine the mathamatical
491 creation of the universe.  They found that in order for the "Big Bang"
492 theory to be valid, the "Bang" had to be timed to within 10^35 of a second
493 or the universe would end up collapsing upon itself or simply disintegrating
494 into nothingness.  Also for the next second afterwards certain occurances
495 would have to be brought about that could not have been done "naturally".
496 In other words, the universe could not have just "happened" but the
497 evidence suggests it to be created under labratory conditions by some
498 intelligent being.
499 [][][][][][][][][][][][]<><><><><><><><><><><><>[][][][][][][][][][][]
027=Usr:642 georg chroh       11/02/88 15:03  Msg:2572 Call:10005839  Lines:9
500 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
501 Another reason to believe bigbang is also a bigsham.
502  I believe in STEADY STATE THEORY - no, it's not having a girlfriend
503  for life.  It is a theory in astronomy that the universe has always
504  existed and has always been expanding  with  hydrogen being created
505  continuously.
506  
507  As Andy Rooney says: "I don't know why"
508 gggggggggggggggggggggggggggGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG  ^^^georg^^^
028=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/02/88 17:47  Msg:2573 Call:10005845  Lines:25
509 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
510 My personal beleif lies in Genesis 1:1 :  In the beginning, there was nothing.
511  
512 Once again, just MY beleif.
513  - - -Yes, it's ADVENTURE time again!
514  
515    "Werfle.  Don't laugh, " said the creature to Dave, "it's really my name.  I
516 really think that my parents named me that as a joke, but anyway... "  Dave
517 yawned again, stood up and faced him.  Realizing that Werfle was two feet
518 taller than he, Dave raised his eyebrows and said "Hmmp...  Not a likely match,
519 eh?"  Werfle wiggled his nose and said "Not really... hehe.   What's yer name?"
520 "Dave.  What are you doing down this far?" he asked.  "I'm seeking the
521 ConTroller.  As I saw in your confrontation, you've had experience with him as
522 well.  When the ConTroller took over the complex, my  family was killed as a
523 demonstration of their 'sheer power', or so they called it.  I have set out to
524 gain my revenge upon the Controller.  Why are you after it?" Werfle rattled.
525 "I've been sent out by the underground council to seek and destroy it.  I live
526 in a city below the surface where the families of the city have fled to find
527 refuge from the anarchy of the ConTroller.  We stumbled upon the location of
528 this defense complex three months ago, and traced down the map, but to find the
529 ConTroller itself is another task."
530    And so it seemed that David J. Whitmoir had made a friend.  The fact that
531 his name was as laughable as "Werfle" seemed to make no difference to him.  He 
532 could be as appreciative as the next guy.
533 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
029=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/02/88 18:35  Msg:2574 Call:10005846  Lines:76
534 &*&*&*&*'s
535  
536 Well, I think I might have went a bit overboard on my last entry. I'm still 
537 trying to be coldly logical (In my presentation if not my mood) in such
538 circumstances.
539  
540 The fact that I become so uptight is probably a sign of some sort of i
541 nferiority complex. I'll really try in the future to be less emotional.
542  
543 I should add that I could attack the left on some subject just as vehamently.
544 But I guess that would be propagating negative energy.
545  
546 Trying to do the right thing all the time can be difficult. I suppose that is
547 what makes life so interesting :-)
548  
549 How many of you feel that you have a consistant beliefe system? I know I don't.
550  
551 Am I being to philisophical? 
552  
553 Oh well, I guess I might actually try to make a story entry.
554  
555 The wanderer had stepped through the gate by the Inn and emerged into a grassy
556 field.
557  
558 Sheep and goat grazed near by and in the near distance he could see a small
559 hill atop which sat a large brown building.
560  
561 He strode confidently forward avoiding the occasional dropping. At the botom
562 of the hill stood a sign that read "Life intoxicates". He smiled somewhat
563 sadly at this and started up the hill.
564  
565 The only sounds coming from within the building were the low groans and snoring
566 of overindulgence. Not wishing to wake the occupents he sat down on the 
567 step and began to meditate. 
568  
569 The face of the veiled one appeared in his mind. There was a mystery there. His
570 gaining of the orb had shown him that. He sensed that it was not within his
571 powers to gain the answers and so for the time being pushed the face from his
572 mind.
573  
574 Next he saw the face of his master. Dead now many years. Though the bound of
575 aprenticship had been brocken long ago he still felt like the aprentice.
576  
577 There was one other face, though he could not quite make it out. It was a
578 face that had haunted him for as long as he could remember. And yet it was
579 always indistinct.
580  
581 He felt sure that it was the face of a women, but whom it belonged to eluded 
582 him.
583  
584 There was a sound behind him and he broke from his revarie. Looking back he
585 saw a bleery eyed old man.
586  
587 "Damn, somebody stole the paper again. Carl! (yet another alias of the 
588 wanderer.) , ouch! I'm getting to old for this. Come in lad, the brothers
589 are just arising for the morning meal."
590  
591 "Thank you Ben, It's been a good long time since I've been by, how are things
592 at the monastary?"
593  
594 "Oh, not to bad. We gained two new recruits this month. brings our numbers to
595 45."
596  
597 "That's good to hear, is the dancing one still here?"
598  
599 "I think I heard him leave early this morning, must have been 9 or so."
600  
601 "I'd like to talk to him before I leave."
602  
603 "Suit yourself" Been mumbled. "Come on in. Breakfast's on."
604  
605 And so the wanderer entered the monastary.
606  
607 An Astral Dreamer.
608 &*&*&*&*'s
609  
030=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     11/02/88 21:09  Msg:2575 Call:10005849  Lines:14
610 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | What? Me? Huh????????????????????????????
611  
612 Of course I'm not Human. I'm perfect. I used to be conceited, but I got 
613 over th.
614  
615 But nonsensically, I would like to ask: "Wassup? (other than the sky)".
616  
617 Also: "Where's Beaker?", "Any more mead?", and "Whats with Politics?"
618  
619 Hey, I just got an idea on how to let the two reigning parties know what
620 we really think of their candidate choices! Lets all make a write in vote
621 of "Anything But The Above Mentioned".
622  
623 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Politics is like Reindeer Ranchingggggg
031=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/03/88 19:36  Msg:2576 Call:10005866  Lines:6
624 &*&*&*&*'s
625 Gee, sure is quit around here. Must be a lot going on. 
626  
627 An Astral Dreamer
628 &*&*&*&*'s
629  
032=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      11/03/88 23:46  Msg:2577 Call:10005871  Lines:10
630 *********************************************************************
631 There's one glaring problem with that Big Bang was done in a lab by an
632 intelegent being theory, it makes the incorrect assumption that the physica
633 laws that we have today were in effect then. This is incorrect. They
634 weren't even remotelly as we know them. The laws as we know them only cam
635 into effect when our current universe came into effect. (i.e. *after*
636 that instant in time that the big bang began.) 
637 Thus you cannot apply the rules of the universe as we know it to that
638 event, because they didn't exist yet.
639 *********************************************************************
033=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     11/04/88 21:04  Msg:2578 Call:10005885  Lines:5
640 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Sanity is Falseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
641  
642 Hey come on people, and Beaker, POST POST POST!!!!
643  
644 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | But then so is Realityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
034=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/05/88 09:59  Msg:2579 Call:10005898  Lines:9
645 &*&*&*&*'s
646 Ah, finally the weekend. Truelly is life beutifull.
647  
648 I wonder what the next four years will be like? I worry about it. But part
649 of me says that it should be a valuable experiance. Oh well, I guess we'll
650 all find out soon enough.
651  
652 An Astral Dreamer
653 &*&*&*&*'s
035=Usr:641 ERNIE NEGUS       11/05/88 14:06  Msg:2580 Call:10005901  Lines:4
654 Question to ponder:  If a Mayfly had its wings clipped and was dropped into
655 a 10 centimeter hole in the ground, and each day jumped up 3 centimeters and
656 slid back two centimeters, how long would it take the mayfly to get out of
657 the hole???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
036=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/05/88 15:52  Msg:2581 Call:10005902  Lines:3
658  
659 10 days?
660  
037=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/06/88 05:12  Msg:2582 Call:10005922  Lines:12
661 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
662             Quicksilver
663 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
664 8 days... Cuz by the 7th day, he would have jumped 7 centimeters, and the next 
665 day, he would jump 3 centimeters and complete the 10 total centimeters.  8
666 days.
667  
668  - - -
669  
670   Not very inspired mode ** ON ** .
671  
672 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
038=Usr:646 Jim Bell          11/06/88 10:44  Msg:2583 Call:10005924  Lines:2
673 Since a Mayflies life span is only two days, the bug will never get out.
674  
039=Usr:196 Cheryl Singer     11/06/88 18:42  Msg:2584 Call:10005931  Lines:42
675 Hello, Cassandra here......being amused by the political mud-slinging.
676 Not too much different from what you hear in mundania, is it?
677 That should be a warning signal.  I'm trying too figure out how to 
678 vote right now, myself.  The way I see it, I have these options:
679  
680       1)  Vote for Dukakis
681       2)  Vote for the Democrat (this is NOT the same thing, although 
682           operationally equivalent in this case)
683       3)  Vote for Bush
684       4)  Vote for the Republican
685       5)  Vote for some other valid candidate (smaller party or independent)
686           with whose positions I could best agree
687       6)  Vote for a bogus candidate (i.e. Randee of the Redwoods)
688       7)  Vote for none of the above
689       8)  Not vote
690  
691 Voting for a party, rather than a candidate, is okay if there is really a 
692 difference in platform and support base, and the party officials can make 
693 the individual in question toe the line once in office.  Such is not the 
694 case.  
695  
696 The two major parties are two different flavors of vanilla.  I can not 
697 support either party, nor the candidates they offer to us.  They all have 
698 serious flaws, in my personal opinion (which I needn't defend here).  The 
699 fact is that all of us here, I suspect, feel the same way to some degree. 
700  
701 Other candidates divide the vote, because they tend to stand for one point 
702 or special interest group--I don't want a President in office whose only 
703 concern is to stop abortn (or lower taxes, or save the whales).  Even 
704 a laudable goal does not make a President. 
705  
706 Voting for a bogus candidate or "none of the above" registers ones 
707 displeasure with the system and its current choices, but it really does 
708 nothing to change it.  It seems to me a waste of a vote.
709  
710 It is a citizen's duty to vote--if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain 
711 about the outcome.  The problem is that I'm NOT complaining about any 
712 given outcome, I'm complaining about the options.  How can I, in good 
713 conscience, vote for someone in whom I can not believe?  How can I not 
714 vote, when that is a citizen's duty.  Okay folks, what do you think?
715  
716 ***********************************Cassandra********************************
040=Usr:483 Lord Beaker       11/06/88 20:02  Msg:2585 Call:10005932  Lines:16
717 ------=-=========-=-------------=-=============-=-------------=-============
718 Well...Here am I.  Anybody seen 'THEY LIVE'.  Bad directing and stuff but I
719 realy like the overall Idea.  Too bad it's not realy aliens fault (is it?).
720 Howdy Kurfur.  Nobody realy knows where I go.  I'm beginning to think that I
721 don't exist, it's alot simpler than trying to figure out where all this came
722 from.  
723  
724 Hey try this on fer size: To signify Yes you nod.
725                           For know you shake your head.      
726 So...                     For maybe you must wobble it (The third axis).
727 Now can anyone tell me what the fourth dimensional shaking represents?
728  
729 LB\__/
730    oo Vote for whoever you vote for...or don't.
731 (That's as close to a completly non-opinionated statement as I could think of.)
732 ----=-=-{=-=======-=---------=-=========-=--------=-=========------=-=====--
041=Usr:71 David Shult       11/07/88 17:31  Msg:2586 Call:10005962  Lines:36
733    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The chairman of Latvians for Bush has stepped down from
734 his post in the wake of allegations that he belonged to a World War II group
735 with Nazi ties, the Bush campaign announced Thursday.  
736    Akselis Mangulis, who was also a volunteer with the vice president's
737 Coalition of American Nationalities, has "suspended his membership" in Bush's
738 ethnic group, said Alixe Glen, a spokeswoman traveling with the Republican
739 presidential nominee.  
740    Mangulis is the eighth person connected with Bush's ethnic council to step
741 down following reports of connections to Nazi or anti-Semitic groups.  
742    Editors at The Philadelphia Inquirer said Thursday night that they were
743 planning a story on Mangulis' membership in the Latvian Legion, a group which
744 had connections to the German SS, the quasi-military unit of the Nazi Party, fo
745 Friday's editions.  
746    Bush campaign spokesmen in Washington and on the campaign trail told
747 reporters early Thursday evening of Mangulis' "suspension."  
748    Bush spokesman Mark Goodin said the Mangulis' family confirmed the
749 association, but said he was conscripted in that group against his will.  
750    "The charges lodged against Mangulis deserve to be clarified by him away fro
751 the Bush-Quayle campaign," said Goodin. "As of this time, his volunteer
752 membership in the Coalition of American Nationalities is suspended as he pursue
753 that right."  
754    But a woman who qnswubed the phone at the Mangulis residence in Andover,
755 Mass., denied that he had been asked to resign from Latvians for Bush or had
756 been a member of a group sympathetic to the Nazis.  
757    "He was not resigning and he will run until Mr. Busx is elected," said the
758 woman who identified herself as Mrs. Mangulis but refused to give her first
759 name. "Bush campaign did not ask him to resign. He did not resign because he di
760 nt have reason to resign.  
761    "He is not in any group in0Wob|d War II," said the woman, who spoke with a
762 heavy accent. "He was a young man and he is not a Nazi and he is not
763 anti-Semitic. I'm telling you honest and truthful. All are lies, never did he
764 resign, never was it no shame."  
765    She0sait the family is seeking legal assistance and "I am going to take
766 action for this harassment."  
767    She said her husband was not home.
768  
042=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/07/88 22:55  Msg:2587 Call:10005967  Lines:7
769 &*&*&*&*'s
770 Juct q note saying I'm here. I wish tommorow would end all the political
771 infighting, But I suspect it is just the begining...
772  
773 An Astral Dreamer
774 &*&*&*&*'s
775  
043=Usr:232 bob lindski       11/08/88 09:31  Msg:2588 Call:10005976  Li~es:1!
776 bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob11/08/88
777 What is wrong with being ANTI-SEMITE?  What happened to the ol'
778@ 
779 freedom of association?   I know a number of Semites who are
780 ANTI-AMERICAN the Rosenbergs a~d dxe Pollards for instance!
781 Did you notice how many of downtown Portland edifices are being
782 named after Semites ?  Two performing art centers, federal offices,
783 streets, parks, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.  It appears that it is
784 more crimynal0to be anti-semitic than being anti-American.
785 What a SHAME!
786 bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobL
044=Usr:648 Keir Blatter      11/08/88 15:53  Msg:2589 Call:10005982  Lines:3
787 MEEERRRRRYYYYY Election day!!!0Enji it while it lasts!  Only every 4 years! on
788 sale now for 2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!
789 ** ----- **
045=Usr:641 ERNIE NEGUS       11/09/88 09:48  Msg:2590 Call:10005996  Lines:3
790 Hmmmm... A fourth deminsional shake would be like moving your huad forward
791 and backward.  It could signify an egyptian walk, or maybe someone with
792 a mental disorder.
046=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/09/88 17:51  Msg:2591 Call:10006000  Lines:22
793 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
794  
795           Qeyckcylver
796 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
797  
798         Blind to Love
799  
800    Oh, but one tries.  But it is not a word to be seen, but felt...  from
801 within.  One cannot use this word, let One be too hasty.
802    Although one shows, uxpresses, and impresses the word, Another may not see
803@it.  Another may simply pass it off as kindness.  But with simple kindness come
804 it.  Another may simply pass it off as kindness.  But with simple kindness
805 comes not the obsession, txe atdacks of the feeling that when realization
806 comes, it may be too late.
807    After the prologue of kindness comes the next part of the trilogy.  But this
808 book may simply lay open and dust may collect upon the pages, if not turned,
809 and,0in tern, read.
810    Our trilogy ends in an eternal epic.  One never reached if Another is...
811 Blind to Love.
812  
813 =;=;;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
814  
047=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/10/88 09:37  Msg:2592 Call:10006017  Lines:17
815 &:&*&:&*'s
816 What do you mean by anti american? I don't blindly worship the past of this
817 cuntry. I have some real doubts about a good many of our actions. We've
818 Fu**ed up plenty of times. (country, not cuntry)
819  
820 I feel that blind praise is what is destroying this country. As an American
821 I want it to be the best place it can be. If that means criticizing past
822 and present methods then so be it.
823  
824 blindly sticking ones head up ones *ss does not make this a better countby.
825  
826 I'm working for a better tommorow, If that makes me anti-american in anybody
827 's eyes then so be it.
828  
829 An Astral Dreamer
830 &*&*&*&*'s
831  
048=Usr:588 Wayne S.          11/10/88 12:58  Msg:2593 Call:10006020  Lines:26
8#2 =-=====================================================================
833 Forgive me for being confused as to who it was that said he believed the 
834 account in Genesis 1:1, but whoever you are--this is to you!
835  
836 You will find that even Wen.01:1 does not say there was nothing. In fact
837 it says the earth was there, but it was without form and it was void, and
838 water covered the face of the earth. If you were to look across the endless
839 expanse of water, you, too, would say thad0the0earth was without form and
840 void. So, if there were already something there for Somebody to begin on,
841 who's to say whether it was formed by a big bang or not?
842  
843@Also, where does one get the proof to back up a statement such as the |aws
844@ 
845 Also, where does one get the proof to back up a blanket statement that the
846 physical laws we know now were not the same at the time of the beginning
847 of the universe? I can give credence to the possibility, but I have seen
848 no ufidence here to back up that statement. Also, aren't you the one who
849 argued about mathematicians calculating that this all couldn't have hap-
850 pened naturally? Of course, as the scientists were basing their calcula-
851 tions on the physical lawc0we {now now, you've just had an explosion of 
852 your theory that equalled the big bang! Btw, I, too, am a creationist, but
853 I think your arguments try to cover all bases and end up covering none.
854 Tootaloo.
855  
856 ========================-=======Signer=================================
857  
049=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp  11/10/88 16:18  Msg:2594 Call:10006023  Lines:7
858 Aw, common.  We all know the universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great 
859 Green Srklsezure!
860    
861 Phoe~ix
862 (dead, but not burried)
863 ^P
864  
050=Usr:649 STASH             11/10/88 21:07  Msg:2595 Call:10006025  Lines:8
865 Robert Hienlien (sp?) wrote "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity".
866 We have living proof with the outco}e of the 1988 elections. The majority of 
867 the U>S> are stupid sheep, who onlyknow that there are two political parties.
868 Those who know about the others and vote Republican or Democrat as the lesser 
869 of two evils, will never have the guts to stant up and really do somethinf for 
870 themselves or their children. I repeat, "Is stupidity a major job requirement 
871 to be a major political office holder?" From what I've seen of the candidates 
872 and their lack of creativity, talent, and brayns,0Ibelieve that the answer can 
051=Usr:465 Gregg Harris      11/10/88 23:15  Msg:2596 Call:10006028  Lines:25
873 @#@####@#@@@@#@#@####@#@#@###@@@@@#@#@#@@@@@#@###@#@#@######@#@####@@#@##@@###
874 Aaaaaaaiiiiiigggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
875 Just wantet to0cay that. I'm better now.
876 --
877 The Story Continues....
878  
879 After the Wanderer left the mole sits down with his keg of ale, popped the
880 cork, and stated to slam it.
881 When the keg was half full (not empty) he popped a couple big zeicy
882 earthworms into his mouth for a chaser.
883  
884 "Beeeeaaalllllcccchhhh!!" (I love typing those stretched words)
885 "Nothing better then a good keg every once in a while."
886 "Innkeeper, I need a room. Better be one with a dirt floor. Can't
(87 stand planked floors, they give me slivers. Besides I might want
888 a nighttime snack and I want the ground nearby."
889 "Ya know, Nothin' Better then worms, except for the occasional
890 Ale."
891  
892 "Well good Night."
893  
894 With that thu Mole with his room key goes wandering to his room.
895  
896 @@@#@####@#@#@#@#@###@##@####@@@#@#@@#@#@###@###@@#@@#@#@####@#@#@#@##@
897 .
052=Usr:635 Bryce Tomlinson   11/11/88 00:44  Msg:2597 Call:10006031  Lines:17
898 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=+=;=+=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
899              Quicksilver
900 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
901     I was the one with the creationist view.  Like I said in my message in
902 which I expressed these views, it is just my opinion.  Which means that Y had
903 no intentions of arguing it, or convincing you of or proving to you the views I
904 have.  
905     To put one thing perfectly straight, the NIV version states "In the
906 beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."  This might suggest to a
907 beleiver that there was NOTHING before then.  Although the earth was formless
908 at the time, and there was no light, before "the beginning", nothing could be
909 more obvious than that statement.  the word "CREATE" means "TO MAKE FROM
910 NOTHINW," am I not correct? Hmm.
911  
912    Before you jump on me again, think. I am not trying to push or argue my
913 veiws, just provide a provokative insight. Thank you.
914 =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;
053=Usr:4 Milchar           11/11?(8 01:54  Msg:2598 Call:10006033  Lines:6
915 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
916 Cistop- Could you mail any drivers you find to me?  Seems there was some
917 time pressure I was not aware of, like my friend0needc to know if the
918 printer can be made to work with his system by 5:00pm 11/11/88.
919 Thanks again, +Milch+
920 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
054=Usr:232 bob lindski       11/11/88 08:59  Msg:2599 Call:10 06036  Lines:9
921 bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob 11/11
922 What I mean by "anti american" is 'diametrically opposed' to the
923 welfare of the USA.  If you're not familiar with the names I mentioned,
924 the ROSENBURGS0were the Jewish spies that sold secrets to the Soviets.
925 The Pollards are the spies that sold classified documents to the
926 Israelis.  I don't consider spewing diatribes toward politicians whose
927 policy and posture you don't agree with, a sase0of anti-americanism.
928                       KEEP ON DREAMING!
929              bobL                                bobobobobobbobobL
055=Usr:651 Frank Booth       11/11/88 10:21  Msg:2600 Call:10006037  Lines:4
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931 Jesus had a tail. Christ is the missing link. Evolution is true.
932 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
933  
056=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig     11/11/88 10:53  Msg*260!0Call:10006039  Lines:9
934 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig |  leave, and everyone grows saneeeeeeeee
935  
936 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
937 people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
938  
)39  0                                        -Douglas Adams
940                             The Restaurant at the end of the Universe
941  
942 KKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Who sez I'm not well read????????????????
057=Usr:641 ERNIE NEGUS       11/11/880!1:1#  Msg:2602 Call:10006040  Lines:6
943 Scientists already know how to create the universe mathematically.  Some
944 speculate that we will be technically able to do it in about 3000 years.
945 We simply can't compress 25 pounds of matter (this is wxat the universe is
946 said to weigh, don't ask me how) into the size slightly smaller than a
947 proton, but we're learning every day.
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950 On Creation- How could you forget Einstein? One conclusion that derives from
951 his famous equation, E=mc^2, is that matter can be `rodused from energy, 
952 just as tremendous energy can be produced from matter. The atomic bomb 
953 proved the latter. For this reason, astrophysicist Josip Kleczek stated: 
954 "Most and possibly all elementary particles may be created by materializq-
9%5 tion of energy."
956    Hence, there is scientific evidence that a source of limitless energy 
957 would have the raw material to create the substance of the universe. The
958 Bible writer Isaiah wrote: "Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has sbeated
959 these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them [stars]
960 even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of
961 dynamic _energy_, he also being vigourous in _power_, not one of them is
962 missinw." 8Isaiah 40:26)
963  
964 mo
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966  
059=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  11/12/88 03:29  Msg:2604 Call:10006063  Lines:17
967 &*&*&*&*'s
968 I think if you look at history yoe0wil| find as many white protestants selling
969 out america as you find in any of the other ethnic groups that make up this
970 rather diverse country.
971  
972 Which is more important, the interests of the world or the interests of 
973 America? I0dent to think that the interests of the entire earth have a
974 bit higher priority. 
975  
976 Maybe I'm just to unselfish. I guess if I try really hard I can almost 
977 justify our piggish use of resources.
978  
979 Nah, it just doesn't wash.
98   
981 An Astral Dreamer.
982 &*&*&*&*'s
983  
060=Usr:219 Friar Mossback    11/12/88 14:32  Msg:2605 Call:10006074  Lines:16
984 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]]
985  
986 Well, it seems to me that a fourth0dimunsional shake would be one where 
987 time went twice as fast fryuha)util it was a certain point in
988 time ahead of your body, and then went slower than normal time until it
989 was that same distance back in time.  Sort of like doing speed and dxen
990 some serious doobage.  Over and over again.  Not a bad idea, during n
991 election year.
992  
993 Friar
994  
995 Well gents!  How about a quest.  I have heard that there is a thing called
996 civility and gentility available.  It is kept yn a0kingdom four or so
997 parsecs from here.  Beyond the kingdom of the Republicans, beyond the
998 kingdom of the Democrats.  Well past the boundaries of that historic kingdo
999 known as the Whigs.  It will be a hard journey, complete with dragons,
