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90674 15-NOV 20:10 General Information
     cdi
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ALL

Hi all,
        After all the discussion of CDI here I figure I better get
around to asking what kind of files are on a CDI disk? I do have a
CD reader hooked to my MM1 and Chris Hawk's utility to copy from
CDI. Are there sound files (iff) on those CDI disks that I could
bring to my MM1 HD and play? Are there images on those disks that
could be displayed on the MM1? I might go buy a CDI disk just to
explore .....

Bests
---TedJaeger

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90675 15-NOV 20:34 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90642)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: TEDJAEGER

 > > Waves is Chris Hawk's sound recording program for the MM/1, formerly
 > > called Sound.
 > > No MM/1 should be without it.
 >
 > Larry, I assume from the name change that the program now plays
 > WAV files, no?
 >
 > Bests
 > ---TedJaeger
 >

  Ted (and Larry):

   No .wav support yet. But, sooooon!!! Thanks to Colin MaKay for providing
the WAV file format info.

                                        Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90676 15-NOV 20:34 OSK Applications
     CD info
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: ALL

Greetings All!

  I'm looking for a few brave souls to beta-test the first release of my new
CDRom File Manager (CDF). It works fine with all the utilities I've thrown
at it (dir, copy, attr, load (<from CD-i discs>). And I need someone(s)
to wring it old real good!

  You need:

  An OSK based computer.
  a 33c93A SCSI controller chip (like the MM/1)
  an NEC SCSI CDRom reader (others may work, maybe not)

  I will supply the File Manger and descriptor. If you have the CDRom reader
then you probably have the driver (rbvccs and scsi_mm1d vr #27). If not, I can
supply them too.

  Send me E-Mail if you are willing to try it out.

  To whet your appetites, here is a dir of a CD-i disc:( 7th Guest )


                           Directory of /cd 19:25:38
abstract        bibliographic   cdi_loader      cdi_nodv        cdi_t7g
copyright       green           path_tbl


                                          Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90677 15-NOV 22:02 Programmers Den
     RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90644)
     From: THETAURUS    To: BILLDICKHAUS

        >>A lot of utilities use an option (typically -z) to specify to
   get input from stdin, assuming either a pipe, or a redirection from
   another source.<<

        Well I have -s which get's input from stdin, but pretty much
   assumes it is from keyboard. Do you mean a seperate option which
   expects it from a non keyboard source? My plans so far are to work on
   the tip Randy gave me, and get  the program to figure out what device
   stdin uses after recieving the -s option. I already have the -f option
   which expects input from a file, but if my work with syscall works out
   well I might kill off that option and incorporate -s and -f into one -
   z. The method you gave is more standard and sounds more elegant. From
   first glance it also sounds like it will result in less code!
        This is why I always get advice from here when it comes to
   programming. Everybody has a better idea than me<grin>! That is good
   tho. It gives me more to work with in the long run.

        >Chris<

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90678 15-NOV 22:02 Programmers Den
     RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90649)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DBREEDING

        >>One suggestion..How about a blank line to be a sign to end? Of
   course this wouldn't work for the case you are doing a direct
   directory reading..<<

        I was actually going to do that as part of the -f option which
   reads input from a file. I decided against it so that it wouldn't
   error out in case someone accidently managed to sneak a blank between
   filenames.


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90679 15-NOV 22:02 Programmers Den
     RE: Piped input in Basic09 (Re: Msg 90668)
     From: THETAURUS    To: CHYDE

        >>Sorry to hear that you got a bug, Hope you feel better some.<<

        Thanks..It is all but gone now, so I should be safe for a few
   weeks.

        See Ya
        >Chris<

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End of Thread.

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90680 15-NOV 23:08 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90665)
     From: WDTV5        To: DSRTFOX

I might, IF it was a ring-ding. The VT500FT is a 4 stroker, 2 cyls on 54
degree angle with the crankpins offset 52 degrees. Kinda like a mini harley
but without the vibs. 2 plugs per hole, 4 valves from one cam per head.
" cv carbs=2, and fuel flow is gravity but just barely, it starves once
in a while at speed & I have to loosen the tank cap which does NOT have
a gasket, not since some monkeys stole it and pipe-wrenched the orig gas
cap off. so's they could ride it to the next 7-11 they were sticking up.
Finally got caught in Batltimore (Baltimore) and threw it in the bushes,
at which point the cops gave it back to us, as is! It now has a pinto gas
cap/flange in the top of the tank, & I haven't even painted around the
blistered paint from silver soldering all that into it. I mean, this is
an original "rat" bike! About 17k miles is all, so the walls s/b good.
I need to pull both plugs at once so I can see but they are about as
close to impossible to remove as theyc come, buried even deeper than
an old hemi mopar was.  Takes 2 different sockets as each has its own
clearance probs to the top edge of the socket vs the access port in the
heads. Next summer maybe, in the meantime its under a roof for the winter.
Its taken me 2 years just to get the jets cleaned enough to actually
go out on the interstate without leaning out at 40 mph. Took a can of
injector cleaner, the kind you add 1/2 of to a 20 gal tank if they're
real dirty, only I put 1/2 the bottle in 2 gals & took it for a run out
of gas ride. Worked wonders! Saving the other half bottle for next time.
Right now, its problem is that it simply won't crank when hot, and it
has absolutley no provision for a kick starter lever anyplace. If the
battery won't, then you're dead right there because the clutch won't
hold well enough to push it once the plates are opened letting the oil
in between them again. Oil could be a prob, its 5w40 Castrol, but its
not THAT old, fresh last spring and <1k miles on it.
Cheers David, Gene

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90689 17-NOV 19:39 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90680)
     From: RICKULAND    To: WDTV5

     Gene,

     The  clutch  is easy, it is the oil! Modern multi-vis oil is
_way_  to  slick for an oil bath clutch. These oils save fuel  by
being 'runny', and get their summer ratings with exceptional film
strength rather than simple viscosity.
     Good  film=bad clutch, and the hotter the bike the worse the
problem.   Racing  clutches (at least in the 70s) had  very  hard
plates   and ran in straight 30 (or 50) weight oil. Street  bikes
got away with 10w40, but this was the old 10w40, not a super oil.

     Hot    start  thought-  not enviourmentally correct, but you
might  try a leaded additive (Klotz 'Real Lead' or similar- not a
simple octane booster)
     Would  go a long way to keeping the top end lubed for a  hot
start-   and  you  could  probably  skip  a  few  tanks   between
treatments,  till  the lead deposits wore off the cylinder  walls
again.

                              -ricku

                  Rick Ulland                 CoNect
         rickuland@delphi.com           449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m           Milwaukee WI 53214

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90693 17-NOV 22:09 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90680)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: WDTV5

Oil in the plug holes works for poor compression on anything. I'm at least
vaguely familiar with the VT500... a friend had one with a water pump leak!
Gasket got hard with age and it is a bit** to change! Just pull
motor.... Anyway, you might simply try pulling and really cleaning those
carbs. What you did was a quick fix, they really need a proper cleaning this
winter!! That might be unrelated to your starting problem though.

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90695 17-NOV 23:02 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90689)
     From: WDTV5        To: RICKULAND

Humm, hadn't given that a thought, but will the next time I run accros
some of that stuff. Thanks.
Cheers, Gene

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90696 17-NOV 23:10 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90693)
     From: WDTV5        To: DSRTFOX

Well, yes I spose. They was soaked in Yammies recommended cleaner for
about a month a year ago, without any real effect. One has a busted
diaphram, but I've been patching those with a rubberised type winshield
sealer and saran wrap, the sealer holds the saran wrap in place for
years! This isn't my first go-round with cv carbs, I date back into
the early '70's and the old CB-350 twin on those. Now there was a hot rod!
38 ponies outta 350 cc, 11k redline (& a 15k miles crank too, all roller)
Wasn't paying much attention one morning, had 140lb son on back, pulled out
behind northbound truck doing around 60 & darned near ran us under him
before I got outta 2nd! But all good things must end, and I found somebody
who wanted to administer the coo-de-ta on the crank for $200, so I let
him.  Those carbs both had the saran wrap patches, response was instant
even so.
Cheers, Gene

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90698 18-NOV 18:24 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90689)
     From: ISC          To: RICKULAND

>      Gene,
>
>      The  clutch  is easy, it is the oil! Modern multi-vis oil is
> _way_  to  slick for an oil bath clutch. These oils save fuel  by
> being 'runny', and get their summer ratings with exceptional film
> strength rather than simple viscosity.
>      Good  film=bad clutch, and the hotter the bike the worse the
> problem.   Racing  clutches (at least in the 70s) had  very  hard
> plates   and ran in straight 30 (or 50) weight oil. Street  bikes
> got away with 10w40, but this was the old 10w40, not a super oil.
>
>      Hot    start  thought-  not enviourmentally correct, but you
> might  try a leaded additive (Klotz 'Real Lead' or similar- not a
> simple octane booster)
>      Would  go a long way to keeping the top end lubed for a  hot
> start-   and  you  could  probably  skip  a  few  tanks   between
> treatments,  till  the lead deposits wore off the cylinder  walls
> again.
>
>                               -ricku
>
>                   Rick Ulland                 CoNect
>          rickuland@delphi.com           449 South 90th St.
> "Operating System Nine"- 268m           Milwaukee WI 53214
>
Gene,

Another 2 cents worth I will add is to make sure that the gasoline you are
using is high octane.  Todays' lower octane fuels burn hotter and longer
raising cylinder and head temps.  Rick's advice about the lead additives also
addresses this.  If I were you, I would run the highest octane fuel I could
find.  Retarding timing very slightly to shorten the burn time might provide a
clue that this is the problem.

Bill

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90700 18-NOV 21:27 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90698)
     From: WDTV5        To: ISC

I had always been told that the fuel was adequate IF there wasn't any
pre-ignition knock at the std spark advance setting.  I don't have any,
even with a tank of 87 octane and 20 miles on the since startup clock.
I have used some high test just for comparisons & in this one, there
doesn't appear to be any diffs at all. However, its all food for thought,
thank you.
Cheers, Gene

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90716 19-NOV 13:16 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90700)
     From: ISC          To: WDTV5

> I had always been told that the fuel was adequate IF there wasn't any
> pre-ignition knock at the std spark advance setting.  I don't have any,
> even with a tank of 87 octane and 20 miles on the since startup clock.
> I have used some high test just for comparisons & in this one, there
> doesn't appear to be any diffs at all. However, its all food for thought,
> thank you.
> Cheers, Gene
>
Gene,

The absence of pre-ignition knock at the std spark advance setting was the
criterion for leaded fuels, but today's gasoline chemicals react differently
than tetra-ethyl lead did.  As I stated in my last post, gasoline today is
formulated to burn hotter and LONGER to try to reduce unwanted emissions from
the exhaust.  The Japanese and Chrysler Corp. in the U.S. developed the "lean
burn" engine design in the 80s which consisted of a conical combustion chamber
designed to extend the length of the "burn" cycle in the 4 cycle engine.
Gasoline was redesigned at that time to accommodate this design change
replacing tetra-ethyl lead with a gaggle of chemicals designed to lengthen the
"burn" time of the fuel.  This change resulted in fewer emissions from the
tailpipe, higher gas mileage AND higher head temperatures due to the extended
length of the combustion phase.  In addition, as Rick Ulland has pointed out,
gone also is the lubricity of tetra-ethyl lead which used to coat the valves
and valve stems, spark plugs and everything else in the combustion chamber.
Since the "burn" cycle is longer, and since the fuel octane is lower, the
initial combustion of the fuel (ignition) takes place at a higher temperature.
 Thus, there will be no "pre-ignition" in most cases.  The engine just runs
much hotter.  Pre-ignition was caused because higher octane fuels would ignite
due to the heat developed from compression alone when the combustion chamber
temperatures or glowing tetra-ethyl lead deposits were heated beyond the
ignition "flash" point before the spark actually occurred. This condition is
much more rare today because there is no lead, and the effective octane of
gasoline is significantly lower.

I am an air-cooled Volkswagen nut, so I am very well educated regarding the
effects of today's new fuels on small air cooled engines.  The two significant
measures for reducing excessive head temperatures and preventing premature
wear on valves and valve guides due to high temperatures are:   to use at
least the octane rating of fuel for which the engine was designed (in the case
of the air-cooled VW that is 91 [ I use 93]), and to use one of the new
super-lubricating oils such as the synthetic Castrol "Syntec" or adding a
super-lubing additive such as Dura-lube (the best) or Slick 50.  (I use both
Syntec oil and Dura-lube in my engines - outstanding performance and mileage.)
  Retarding the ignition timing slightly may also help, but is far less
desirable due to loss of performance in a small engine.

To summarize, every motorist should take advantage of the new "molecular
bonding" oil formulations, because they not only lower operating temps, but
also sharply reduce engine wear which is greatest at startup before the oil
has circulated through the engine.  This applies doubly for cold weather
operation. Not everyone should use higher octane gasoline, however.  If your
engine was designed for the new lower octane gasolines, you may experience
reduced gas mileage, may see very little difference in performance and
effectively throw money away using higher octanes.

Wow!  Got carried away, but there it is.  All you ever wanted to know, but
never asked.<grin>

Cheers to you, Gene.

Bill


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90727 19-NOV 18:05 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90716)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: ISC

Bill, this does *not* belong in the OS9 Sig, and neither does this reply. But
I must ask.... whos ad hype have you been memorizing?

   Randy "mechanic, crew chief, and occasional programmer" Wilson

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90731 19-NOV 22:48 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90716)
     From: WDTV5        To: ISC

Well, maybe, but thats as cogent an explanation as I've seen in 20 years!
Thanks, I'll sure keep it in mind.
Cheers, Gene

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90736 20-NOV 05:14 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90727)
     From: ISC          To: RANDYKWILSON

> Bill, this does *not* belong in the OS9 Sig, and neither does this reply. But
> I must ask.... whos ad hype have you been memorizing?
>
>    Randy "mechanic, crew chief, and occasional programmer" Wilson
>
I agree, Randy and will do any further discussion in mail, but none of what I
said is "ad hype".

Bill

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90737 20-NOV 05:14 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90731)
     From: ISC          To: WDTV5

> Well, maybe, but thats as cogent an explanation as I've seen in 20 years!
> Thanks, I'll sure keep it in mind.
> Cheers, Gene
>
Thanks much, Gene.  I hope it helps.  Keep those old hogs on the road!

Bill

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90743 20-NOV 13:03 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90716)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ISC

Bill , I guess all these new oil additives and formulation is why
I have a hard time keeping my recently rebuilt 1963 Rambler engine from using
much oil! In the summer, it is bad! Run a little hard (like cruising interstate
at 70) and it uses about a quart in 500 miles, running 10w40. 20w50 isn't
much better. Around town and in winter consumption is a more reasonable 1000
miles to a quart.

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90757 21-NOV 17:36 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90696)
     From: RICKULAND    To: WDTV5

     Gene,

     Interesting  you'd  mention that 350, since the XL I was  so
found  of was essentially that engine, sawed in half and stuck in
a  200lb  bike.  The new 185 made more ponies than the  250  that
year-  Rocker  arms and springs and the dang thing  pulled  right
through it's 11K shift that I sometimes missed. (BTW, that old CB
clutch holds up alot better with half the motor...6 @ $2.43 sound
familair?)
     Cracked a case, seized a big end, and found the wonder crank
was  a  non-repairable $200 part, spun balanced at 30000rpm in  a
secret  labratory  near Osaka. And mine was the $mall one.  Ain't
technology wonderful?

                              -ricku

                  Rick Ulland                 CoNect
         rickuland@delphi.com           449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m           Milwaukee WI 53214

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90760 21-NOV 22:09 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90716)
     From: RICKULAND    To: ISC (NR)

     (Sorry guys, but this needs to be in the thread)

> or adding a super-lubing additive such as Dura-Lube.......

     Excellent   text,   but   one caution- bikes often  use  the
engine  oil  as clutch coolant! Under no circumstances  should  a
'Slick50' type additive be used with an oil bath clutch! Doing so
is  an invitation for repeated clutch failure until all that crap
finally rinses out 20 plates down the road..
                              -ricku

                  Rick Ulland                 CoNect
         rickuland@delphi.com           449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m           Milwaukee WI 53214

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90763 21-NOV 22:33 System Modules (6809)
     RE: RBF (Re: Msg 90757)
     From: WDTV5        To: RICKULAND

yeah, seemed to me the 350 crank was being quoted at the $375 level plus
installation to match. I opted for a 350 4 instead at the time, not near the
power, and a continuous oil leak for a head gasket. But I tossed my leg
over it the first time at the 31k miles mark, 14 months later I handed the
keys to the next owner, made $50 on the deal, and the clock said 57k miles!
Like I said, I used it as a chair car (with air conditioning, even in 10"
of freash snow. Ahh, those were a little closer to my "salad days", immortal
and all that. I recall one frosty morning headed over FreyDonnier pass out
of SusanVille, headed for Chester ca, middle of a big 3 lanes each way
sweeper, left peg an inch off the deck leaning into a serious sidewind.
At apex of corner, 9k in 3rd gear, the wind switched sides. I put that peg
into the blacktop and used all three lanes on my side and 2 on the other
side, but I saved it! Things like that make ya think yer the best, and
then 5 years back I throw away a GS1000G missing a deer at 30 mph and
break a rib, collecting $500 worth of road rash too. Oh, and $300 for
new glasses, couldn't find more than s sliver or so of the old lenses.
All told, I figure I've probably hit the 500,000 mile mark on 2 wheels
over tha last 45+ years of riding. One busted rib, one broken ankle,
lost track of tha hard hats etc tho.
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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90681 16-NOV 00:01 Tutorials & Education
     ppia archive
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: WAYNETHOMPSO

The pin out for the 74LS133 is as follows

pin 16 VCC, pin 8 GND, pin 9 output, all other pins are inputs

The DB 25 was chosen since it has enough pins for two printers and I had them
handy. I didn't include those details since others might choose a different
route. you need 10 pins plus ground plus reset (optional) so there is enough
there, I chose to make the cable MALE to distinguish it from the rs232 ports
and it makes it easy to disconnect the cable from the cartridge.

The PIA's can be bi-directional, the PPIA driver from the eliminator programs
the PIA to be output only. but with info about the 6821 you can program them
for inputs. (or change at will) I do not know if the speed would be enough
to make it truely bi-directional since it would take three pokes to the
PIA to change it from output <=> input. (ok three store commands for
assembly users)

as for a parellel modem, making a driver would be easy since you have no
baud rates and probably no parity and such. Ive never seen these modems
so I couldn't comment on how feasable it would be.

The only problem I have with PPIA is it doesn't sense for #246 errors,
that would be easy to patch in, the driver is rather simple.

Mike

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90682 16-NOV 00:57 General Information
     PGP ver 2.6.2
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: ALL

In the Color Computer SIG data base, in the GENERAL section, is
a 14K long text file I just wrote that gives the history of the PGP
public RSA encryption software, AND tells you how to use Delphi
(assuming you are at a site in the USA) to obtain a copy of the latest
(and now legal) release of PGP, version 2.6.2.     (You do have to
be a member of the Internet SIG, with acess to FTP and Telnet capabilities
of Delphi.)

While PGP is available only for the PC compatible and Macintosh platforms,
there IS available from the same FTP site that has the program
SOURCE CODE for the program, which might allow OS68K types to port
it to their machines.

    ---marty

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90683 16-NOV 02:24 General Information
     RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90625)
     From: NEWKID       To: KSCALES


If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.

If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
Go figure, it's a nice one.

James

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90706 19-NOV 00:59 General Information
     RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90683)
     From: KSCALES      To: NEWKID

 > If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.

It was the message immediately preceeding my message to you:  90625.

 > If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
 > have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
 > work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
 > unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
 > Go figure, it's a nice one.

Interesting.  In that case, the info in 90625 probably won't help fix
the problem.  Hope you get it figured out, tho.

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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90734 20-NOV 02:36 General Information
     RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90706)
     From: NEWKID       To: KSCALES



I'll keep at it. But I think my system is bad.  Do you know if we have
a set of test programs for keyboard, i/o and that sort of things?
It could be that the "-" key is not working properly.

James

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End of Thread.

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90684 16-NOV 04:11 General Information
     RE: ppia.ar (Re: Msg 90673)
     From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: COCOKIWI

  Thanks for the info!
Wayne

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90685 16-NOV 14:41 System Modules (6809)
     RE: printers (Re: Msg 90175)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

Brother is currently advertising a Laser printer in Newsweek with
a $399 retail price.   Just thought that might affect your
recommendation of inkjet vs laser printers.

    ---marty

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90686 16-NOV 21:13 Programmers Den
     Signals in UCC
     From: PAGAN        To: ALL

 I recently posted a request for information re the signal() and
 _os_intercept() functions in UCC.  Here's what I learned:

 It's not necessary to _os_sigmask() unless you need to clear or increnment
 the signal mask.

 To second parameter should be _glob_data which is initialized in cstart just
 for this purpose.  Microware overlooked this in it's documentation :-)

 The process becomes:

    void SignalCatcher(sig)
    int sig;
    {
    /* process the signal */
    _os_rte()
    }

    main(argc,argv)
    int argc;
    char *argv[];
    {
    extern void *_glob_data;

    _os_intercept(SignalCatcher,_glob_data);
    }

 BTW, using debug it looks like _os_intercept has less overhead than the old
 intercept() function in the 3.2 compiler.

 Thank for the information goes to Peter Dibble, A.B. Cohen Stuart and
 Ruediger Nahm-Elstner (PEP Modular Computers).

 Stephen Carville - pagan@delphi.com


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90687 17-NOV 00:19 General Information
     Multiboot.
     From: CHARLESAM    To: ALL

                 I tried to implement 'MultiBoot' tonight and keep getting error
#207 stack
full. I unloaded my startup files and rebooted, same problem. Anyone here
using Sub-Etha's 'Multiboot' have this problem? If so, how do I solve it?
Any help will be appreciated. Thanx Charlie

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90691 17-NOV 21:22 General Information
     RE: Multiboot. (Re: Msg 90687)
     From: REVWCP       To: CHARLESAM

Dear Charlie:

Try sending Email to Alan Huffman, addressed to
IN%"coco-sysop@GENIE.GEIS.COM".  I have not tried
setting up my copy yet so I am afraid that I can't
be of too much help.


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:: With all best wishes, ::::::  2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

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90754 21-NOV 03:01 General Information
     RE: Multiboot. (Re: Msg 90687)
     From: JEVESTAL     To: CHARLESAM

 > I tried to implement 'MultiBoot' tonight and keep getting
 > erro r#207 stack
 > full. I unloaded my startup files and rebooted, same problem. Anyone here
 > using Sub-Etha's 'Multiboot' have this problem? If so, how do I solve it?
 > Any help will be appreciated. Thanx Charlie

I don't remember having the problem with multiboot but when I have
Stack Overflow errors they can be corrected usually by specifing
more memory on the command line.  Try multiboot#16k or multiboot#32k
for example.

Jim

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90764 21-NOV 23:23 General Information
     RE: Multiboot. (Re: Msg 90754)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: JEVESTAL (NR)

You know I recall something similiar that was corrected the same way. Darned
if I can think of it now... Oh yeah! Optimize. And your suggestion was the
way it was solved. I'll get back to you after I give it a try. Thanx much
for your help here.

..Charlie...

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End of Thread.

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90688 17-NOV 05:06 General Information
     mini expansion bus
     From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: DISTO

Tony,
  I am thinking about building a PIA based parallel port using
the mini expansion bus in my SC2.  My question involves the Chip Enable
 __
(CE) pin [#13].  What state is this pin in when address $FF50 is selected
on the coco bus?  I think that it would be low, but I want to make sure.
I plan to map the pia into $FF50-FF53.  I am using Mike Guzzi's PPIA.AR
as a guideline.  In that file he decodes the pia into $FF70-$FF73 and
builds a separate pak to plug in his MPI. After studying his guidelines
I started looking at my SC2's MEB since it is already decoded and should
be relatively easy to use for the project and end up saving a slot on my
MPI to boot!
  To clarify, let me restate the question:
 When $FF50 is shown on the coco bus, what is the state of pin 13
( chip enable) of the MEB?
Thanks,
Wayne

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90717 19-NOV 15:21 General Information
     RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90688)
     From: DISTO        To: WAYNETHOMPSO

The Chip Enable pin of the mini bus on a SCII is normally HI and when the CPU
does a read/write the pin goes LO. From what I read in your message, it should
work just fine. -Tony.

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90742 20-NOV 11:43 General Information
     RE: mini expansion bus (Re: Msg 90717)
     From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: DISTO

Thanks for the information!
 Thanks,
 Wayne


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End of Thread.

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90690 17-NOV 20:45 General Information
     Chicago CoCo-Fest
     From: THESCHU      To: ALL



                               NEWS RELEASE
                               NEWS RELEASE
                               NEWS RELEASE
Here are the 5 "W's"
WHO?       1)  The Glenside Color Computer Club of Illinois presents
WHAT?      2)  The Fourth Annual "Last" Chicago CoCoFEST!
WHEN?      3)  April 29th & 30th, 1995 (Sat. 10am-6pm; Sun. 10am-4pm)
WHERE?     4)  HOLIDAY INN ELGIN  (A Holidome Indoor Recreation Center)
               345 W. River Road  (A city block from I-90 & IL-31S)
               Elgin, Illinois    (Same great location as last year!)
               Overnight room rate: $55.00 (plus 10% tax)
               Call 1-708-695-5000 for reservations.
               Be sure to ask for the "Glenside" or "CoCoFEST!" rate.
        >>>>>  YOU MUST REGISTER UNDER COCOFEST TO GET THIS RATE <<<<<
WHY?       5) A.  To provide vendor support to the CoCo Community
              B.  To provide Community support to the CoCo Vendors
              C.  To provide educational support to new users.
              D.  TO HAVE AN OUTRAGEOUSLY GOOD TIME!!!!!
And now, the "H" word.
HOW MUCH?  1)  Admission:            $8.00 at the door, 2-day pass
                                     $5.00 at the door, 1-day pass
               Advance ticket sales: $5.00 + SASE for the whole show or
                                     $5.00 + $.50 postage & handling
               Children 8 and under   FREE
            Contact: George Schneeweiss, Treasurer
                     Glenside Color Computer Club
                     RR#2     Box 67
                     Forrest, IL  61741-9629
For further information, general or exhibitor, contact:
 Tony Podraza, Fest Chairman        Carl Boll, Vice President, GCCCI
 708-428-3576, VOICE                312-735-6087, VOICE
 708-428-0436, BBS                  312-735-3355, BBS
                                    DELPHI-CBJ
                     Brian Schubring, President, GCCCI
                     708-529-3539, VOICE
                     DELPHI-THESCHU


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90692 17-NOV 21:23 General Information
     RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90690)
     From: REVWCP       To: THESCHU

Hello Brian:

Tell Tony that a monk is registering for the conference.
As always, I am looking foreward to this time together.
I will be in touch with Tony in the near future.


::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: With all best wishes, ::::::  2 Kings 2:23-24 :::
:: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: OS9 Users Group Treasurer :: revwcp@delphi.com ::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

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90694 17-NOV 22:49 General Information
     RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90692)
     From: THESCHU      To: REVWCP

Brother, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME AND EXPECTED !!!!!
  Who else to bless us and this ocasion of fun felowship. I will be expecting
to here from you soon.
 Beian

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90718 19-NOV 15:27 General Information
     RE: Chicago CoCo-Fest (Re: Msg 90690)
     From: DISTO        To: THESCHU (NR)

I am willing to try again! This time I'll ship my stuff to someone there
ahead of time. If I have any stuff left that is. -Tony.

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End of Thread.

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90697 17-NOV 23:40 OSK Applications
     Palm 2.2
     From: MRGOOD       To: ALL

Help!

I've been trying to compile Palm 2.2 and have been unsuccessful.  This
is on a 3-Meg MM1 using the compiler that shipped with the machine.  The
following is the error output I get from the compiler after running MAKE
with "makefile.osk."

 Symbol 'strtok' unresolved.
        Referenced 2 times by psect 'misc_c' in file 'misc.r'
 Symbol '_environ' unresolved.
        Referenced by psect 'misc_c' in file 'misc.r'
 Symbol 'strchr' unresolved.
        Referenced 13 times by psect 'termio_c' in file 'termio.r'
        Referenced 2 times by psect 'strip_c' in file 'strip.r'
        Referenced 2 times by psect 'setup_c' in file 'setup.r'
        Referenced 3 times by psect 'parse_adrs_c' in file 'parse_adrs.r'
        Referenced 2 times by psect 'getstring_c' in file 'getstring.r'
        Referenced 4 times by psect 'getname_c' in file 'getname.r'
        Referenced by psect 'explode_c' in file 'explode.r'
 l68: error - unresolved references

The following is the beginning of the makefile that I'm using:

**************************************************************************
* Makefile for Palm v2.1 - OS-9/68K Version
*   Jeff Shepler - 10/93

** Choose which UUCP package you are using:
** RICK - Rick Adams' UUCP package version 4.2 (or lower??)
** BOB - Bob Billson's UUCP package version 2.0

** Note that this makefile is constructed for Ultra C
** Minimal changes are needed for GCC and MW C V3.2

_UUCP = BOB

CC = cc
RDIR = .
ODIR = /dd/cmds
NEWLIBS = -l=/dd/lib/termlib.l -l=/dd/lib/clib.l -l=/dd/lib/sys.l
CFLAGS = -I -d$(_UUCP) -d_OSK -v=.
LFLAGS = $(CFLAGS) $(NEWLIBS) -M=8k


If the linker can't find "strtok," "strchr," and "_envrion," what do
I have to do to compile the program???

As it is, one portion of the source code - termio.c - generates several
screenfuls of errors and warnings.  John Donaldson was kind enough to
send me his version of termio.c which appears to be much better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Better yet, if someone can
email me just the executable, that would be enough for me.

Thanks.
Hugo

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90699 18-NOV 20:49 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90697)
     From: VAXELF       To: MRGOOD

Hugo,
  You are missing -l=/dd/lib/os9lib.l
If you need a copy, let me know and I will email you one.

John D.

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90712 19-NOV 07:48 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90697)
     From: JEJONES      To: MRGOOD

 > I've been trying to compile Palm 2.2 and have been unsuccessful.  This
 > is on a 3-Meg MM1 using the compiler that shipped with the machine.  The
 > following is the error output I get from the compiler after running MAKE
 > with "makefile.osk."
 >
 > Symbol 'strtok' unresolved.
 > Referenced 2 times by psect 'misc_c' in file 'misc.r'
 > Symbol '_environ' unresolved.
 > Referenced by psect 'misc_c' in file 'misc.r'
 > Symbol 'strchr' unresolved.

Looks like you're compiling code that is expecting ANSI C library routines
(strtok, strchr).  Your options:

1. get Ultra C
2. see if someone else has written an ANSI C library you could use
3. roll your own ANSI C library


Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90713 19-NOV 11:30 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90699)
     From: MRGOOD       To: VAXELF

Where does os9lib.l come from?  It's definitely not part of the
standard software distributed with the MM1.  I'd appreciate it if you
could send me a copy.

Hugo

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90714 19-NOV 11:33 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90712)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JEJONES

Aha, so in fact the Palm OSK stuff can't be compiled with the standard
compiler.

Hugo

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90728 19-NOV 19:04 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90713)
     From: BOISY        To: MRGOOD

I never needed os9lib.l when I compiled Palm with C 3.2.  Whatever for
do you need it?

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90738 20-NOV 07:18 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90728)
     From: MRGOOD       To: BOISY

Boisy,

Well, I've been told I need os9lib.l.  As for compiling Palm for OSK,
it just won;t happen on my MM1.  James Jones replied to I forum
message that I left here several days ago with the error output from
the compile.  He said that unresolved references such as
strtok, strchr, and _environ mean that the program was written for ANSI C
and as such require an ANSI compiler or Ultra C. I have neither.

If you can compile the source with C 3.2, then it means you have something
compiler-wise that I don't.

Hugo

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90740 20-NOV 07:27 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90738)
     From: JEJONES      To: MRGOOD

 > If you can compile the source with C 3.2, then it means you have
 > something compiler-wise that I don't.

Might mean that there's some macro one can define to conditionally compile
either for ANSI or for pre-ANSI.  (I'm just guessing at all this, since I
haven't seen the source.)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90744 20-NOV 16:25 OSK Applications
     RE: Palm 2.2 (Re: Msg 90740)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JEJONES

Perhaps, but I'm not that f;uent in C stuff
to figure it out.

Hugo

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End of Thread.

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90701 18-NOV 21:42 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90657)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: WA2EGP

 > Let us know when it is ready (and I'm sitting here, typing and drooling).
 >

  It's READY!!!! (the CDU utility, I mean!)

      I'll be uploading it as soon as I can write some docs (and figure out
how it works <g>!

                                  Chris

   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90704 18-NOV 23:30 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90701)
     From: WA2EGP       To: HAWKSOFT

>...as I can write some docs (and figure out how it works <g>!
Ah, the tough part.  Trying to make it easy for those who have never seen/worked

with it.  A major failing with a lot of software.

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90707 19-NOV 07:48 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90653)
     From: JEJONES      To: HAWKSOFT

 > I'm putting the final <?> touches on a single program that steps you
 > thru the directories and copys files from BOTH CD-i and CDRom (MS-DOG
 > type) discs.

Cool!

 > Also have a working version (some-what) of a file manager for CDRom
 > disks. Reads CD directories with the STOCK DIR command! Attr works too!!

<scratch head>  attr works?  How can you tell? :-)

 > Some programs can load files DIRECTLY from CD.

Farm out!

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90730 19-NOV 20:43 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90707)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: JEJONES

Hi JJ!!!

 > > I'm putting the final <?> touches on a single program that steps you
 > > thru the directories and copys files from BOTH CD-i and CDRom (MS-DOG
 > > type) discs.
 >
 > Cool!
 >
 > > Also have a working version (some-what) of a file manager for CDRom
 > > disks. Reads CD directories with the STOCK DIR command! Attr works
 > too!!
 > <scratch head>  attr works?  How can you tell? :-)

    Easy! It repeats the lies I told it to tell the user! Actually the only
valid bit is 'directory' I have it lying and setting ewr (both public and
private) in all MSDog files. When I get my CD reader back from the shop ( I
found out that I was getting random single-bit errors when I was able to load
cdi (os9) files. The system reported CRC errors).) I'll have it report the
REAL attributes for CD-I discs!

 > > Some programs can load files DIRECTLY from CD.
 >
 > Farm out!
 >

  So far, about everything I've thrown at it works! Dir, Attr, Load (exc for
above problem), More, Gifshow (unless a bit-wise error makes it cough!),
Playwav (Colin McKay).   Wheeeeee! We havin' fun!!!

   If you have a CD Rom Reader, I'll send you a copy.

                                            Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90739 20-NOV 07:19 General Information
     RE: VGA (Re: Msg 90730)
     From: JEJONES      To: HAWKSOFT

 > So far, about everything I've thrown at it works! Dir, Attr, Load (exc
 > for above problem), More, Gifshow (unless a bit-wise error makes it
 > cough!), Playwav (Colin McKay).   Wheeeeee! We havin' fun!!!
 >
 > If you have a CD Rom Reader, I'll send you a copy.

Sigh...I fear we're talking early next year for CD-ROM drive.  I've been
having fried monitor trouble, and it's turning out to be more expensive
than I'd like it to be.  I'll let you know as soon as I get one, though.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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End of Thread.

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90703 18-NOV 22:56 General Information
     Memory Shortage
     From: 2NIBBLES     To: ALL

  Sometime, long ago--I read some cocolist mail concerning someone's
homebrew 2 Meg simm board for their CoCo. I just happen to have 2 Meg's
worth of 256 X 8 simms laying around, and would like to fabricate an
adapter board for MY CoCo. In order to prepare for this task, I ordered
NEC's Memory data book from JDR Microdevices out here in CA, and now have
a pinout for these simms, but I DONT have a schematic that I'll certainly
need in order to assemble the desired memory board. I could make a 512k
board easily, but if some very kind CoCo-ist out there would oblige me, I
will assemble a 1 or 2 Meg board that I would much prefer. At this moment
I have sockets, memory, a suitable protoboard, a little time, much desire,
a lot of patience, and much hope.

     Please, someone HELP!! I'd very much appreciate it, and if an SASE and
some valuable consideration within the means of the typical married CoCo-nuts
limited budget will help, I'm game.

   Long-winded, happy, one taco short of a combination plate and 2NIBBLES
short of a byte.

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90705 18-NOV 23:38 General Information
     User group
     From: WA2EGP       To: ALL

Anybody know how many MOTD's came out since May?  I've only received one.
Just wondering if I was "automatically" deleted (grin).

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90708 19-NOV 07:48 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90648)
     From: JEJONES      To: 01GEN40

 > I have been experiencing these little anomolies that drive me batty.
 > First of all, does anyone know why I am losing my cursor every time I
 > leave MAIL?

Let's see...no, that hasn't happened to me, but when I run ix, I do get
tossed into boldface mode.  That happens because I claim to Delphi that
I'm a vt100, which is convenient for using their nn newsreader, but
OTOH, it induces VMS mail to send some magic escape sequences that
probably do something nice to a VT-100, but which put CoCos and KWindows
machines in boldface mode.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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90715 19-NOV 12:36 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90648)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > I have been experiencing these little anomolies that drive me batty.
 > First of all, does anyone know why I am losing my cursor every time I
 > leave MAIL?  Working without a cursor is like driving a car at night
 > with the lights out.  Another thing are these random characters I
 > get when I sit idle as in reading a message here.

It sounds like you are getting line noise. Is your Modem Error Correcting?
If not, this might be your trouble..  I've experienced the same thing,
but not lately, maybe since I went to error-correcting modems.  I suspect
it is little low-volume noises that don't show up when you are getting
activity, not sure.

 > I read in a message that someone has a 63c09 processor in thier CoCo.
 > I have a HD63B09EP.  What, if any, is the difference between the "b"
 > and the "c".

I, too, have a "B" version.. I suppose the "C" is supposed to be a CMOS
version, which consumes less power.  Then I heard that all 6309 chips
are CMOS, so I dunno..  I'd just go with the flow  <G>.

 > These random characters are driving me crazy!  I
 > have a hard time determining where I am in this text.

Yeah, I know what you mean..  If they are persistent, and you don't
have an error-correcting modem, if you could borrow one to try, might
help you see if it is line noise.

OH, I just remembered, I had a modem one time, a Smart Team (NOT Smart
One), and it began sending garbage... I cursed my phone co to no end,
but found out it was the modem.  Could be your problem, too.  I'd
try another modem..  If another modem cleared up your problem, you might
try your modem at a location that was not getting errors and see if the
garbage occurred there. If so, then it would look like the modem was bad.


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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90719 19-NOV 16:14 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90708)
     From: ISC          To: JEJONES

>  > I have been experiencing these little anomolies that drive me batty.
>  > First of all, does anyone know why I am losing my cursor every time I
>  > leave MAIL?
>
> Let's see...no, that hasn't happened to me, but when I run ix, I do get
> tossed into boldface mode.  That happens because I claim to Delphi that
> I'm a vt100, which is convenient for using their nn newsreader, but
> OTOH, it induces VMS mail to send some magic escape sequences that
> probably do something nice to a VT-100, but which put CoCos and KWindows
> machines in boldface mode.
>
> Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.
>
> Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside
>
James,

I have a CoCo III and an MS-DOG machine, and I tell Delphi that I am a VT-100
too.  I don't have IX for the CoCo, but I use Win-DLite on the DOG.  The DOG
also goes into boldface and large characters in Win-D sometimes after a mail
response and sometimes after a forum response.  I would guess Delphi's VAXes
are getting a character sequence that makes them burp.

Any opinions out there?

Bill


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90720 19-NOV 16:41 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90650)
     From: 01GEN40      To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

Hi Tim,
  In this CoCo 3, which is one of three or four, is a HD63B09EP not a
6809.  I saw a refference to a 63c09 processor and wanted to know the
difference between it and my HD63B09EP.  I replaced the MC68B09E Mot-
orola processor in 1992. That is when I entered in my logbook.  Just
in case the next four messages to me say the same thing, I want to make
it clear on that point.  I have a logbook in my dd/sys directory that
I use to keep a record of any and all modifications, whether hardware
or software.  This way if I need to have a certain modification done
in order to make a wanted modification, I can see in my log if I have
done it or not.  Or, I can use it to see if a wanted modification is
going to be in conflict with one I have done in the past.
  About that noise, I have come to the conclusion that what you say
may be true in my case.  I have noticed that if I log off and log back
on that this will help in most cases.  I am having no problem with it
right now in this session.  I did switch back to my Disto RS232 Pak.
Thank you for the reply, Tim.  See ya.

P.S.  Oh yeah, one more thing.  Is there any reason you can think of
as to why I am losing my cursor when I leave MAIL?  I am using OSTerm
Version 2.08 and have been for the last four years.  Going into MAIL
is the last thing I do before logging off, obviously since a cursor
is a neccessity.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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90721 19-NOV 16:47 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90654)
     From: 01GEN40      To: REVKAK

at is it.  Huummm, I may get one.  Thanks for the reply
Keith.  Crystal change imperitive?  I do have a 32Mhz one...  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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90722 19-NOV 16:51 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90666)
     From: 01GEN40      To: RICKULAND

Hi Rick,
  I already tried "display 05 21 >/w7" and all it did was hide w7 on
me.  Had to re-select the window to continue with communication.  Oh,
I did not get the cursor back either.  Thanks for the reply.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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90723 19-NOV 17:03 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90708)
     From: 01GEN40      To: JEJONES

Hi James,
  Long time no speak.  I think the last time was when Paul Ward was still
logging in.  Anyway, I have never had a problem with BOLDFACE characters,
only the infamous disappearing cursor.  I have come up with a quicky cure
for it, I do MAIL just before I log off.  Oh, I am using OSTerm V2.08 and
terminal set to VT-100.  I do have a small startup file that does some
palette manipulation before firing up OSTerm.  Makes the colors better. I
cannot see where that will have any bearing.  I will have to consult my
logbook to see if I have applied any patches to OSTerm.  Cannot remember
off hand.  I guess that is why I have a logbook of my modifications. Well
gotta go, I think I have one more message to reply to.  Thanks for the
reply.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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90724 19-NOV 17:10 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90650)
     From: DBREEDING    To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

 > Re: 63c09.
 > You probably have a 68B09 in your CoCoo, note `eight', not `three.'
 > The Hitachi 63C09 is a CMOS replacement for the Motorola 6809.

No, there are 63b09's.  That's what mine is.  I was surprised that it
WAS a "B".  But it is a 6309, because it accepts 6309 codes, or at least
it works with PowerBoost.  It was my understanding that all 6309's WERE
CMOS, so not sure.  I wonder if any are labeled as "C"?



                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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90726 19-NOV 17:18 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90715)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi David,
  Well, I can tell you that I have learned the difference between the
63b09 and the 63c09.  The "b" runs at 2Mhz while the "c" runs at 3Mhz.
I got a few replys that explained it to me.  Anyway, I have come up
with a quicky cure on the disappearing cursor, I do MAIL last, before
I log off Delphi.  As for the random characters, I think it may well
be line noise.  If I get them really bad I can log off and log back on
with good results.  I am not to sure about the modem being self-cor-
recting or not.  I was a cheapy that I got at a warehouse type compu-
ter store.  It came with some "ProComm" emulating software that I only
use at work of the 486.  It is a lot like the TelStar program for the
MIGHTY CoCo.  Anyway, thanks for the reply.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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90729 19-NOV 20:24 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90715)
     From: JEJONES      To: DBREEDING

 > I, too, have a "B" version.. I suppose the "C" is supposed to be a CMOS
 > version, which consumes less power.  Then I heard that all 6309 chips
 > are CMOS, so I dunno..  I'd just go with the flow  <G>.

Those letters indicate the highest clock rate that the manufacturer is
willing to guarantee the chips work at.  B indicates 2 MHz, C 3 MHz.
Yes, all 6309s are CMOS...which is why they suck down a LOT less current
than the 6809s and thus run way cooler.

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90732 19-NOV 23:22 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90726)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40 (NR)

 > Well, I can tell you that I have learned the difference between the
 > 63b09 and the 63c09.
 > I got a few replys that explained it to me.

Yes, I saw them.. and I learned, too.  I actually wondered why some
referred to their chips as "C" and others were "B", I wondered if
I might have come up short with my chip, but I would suppose not.

 > Anyway, I have come up
 > with a quicky cure on the disappearing cursor, I do MAIL last, before
 > I log off Delphi.  As for the random characters, I think it may well

I'm not trying to run an ad or anything, but I'd strongly recommend
"infoxpress" for your messages and mail.. It is really fantastic.  You
just log on and "leave the driving to us".  It will even automatically
download files you receive in mail (if you specify a protocol).  Really
neat.  I have it for the CoCo (well, you can tell that by my tagline :-)

I've also got an order in for the OSK version..  It really saves lots
of time..

 > be line noise.  If I get them really bad I can log off and log back on
 > with good results.  I am not to sure about the modem being self-cor-
 > recting or not.  I was a cheapy that I got at a warehouse type compu-
 > ter store.

If it's Hayes compatible, you might issue the command "AT&Q5".. If you
don't get ERROR back, It would probably be error-correcting, as this is
one of the commands related to the error-correcting modems.  But if line
noise is causing garbage, I'd say it isn't.


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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90733 19-NOV 23:24 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90729)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JEJONES

 > > I, too, have a "B" version.. I suppose the "C" is supposed to be a
 > CMOS > version, which consumes less power.  Then I heard that all 6309
 > chips > are CMOS, so I dunno..  I'd just go with the flow  <G>.
 >
 > Those letters indicate the highest clock rate that the manufacturer is
 > willing to guarantee the chips work at.  B indicates 2 MHz, C 3 MHz.
 > Yes, all 6309s are CMOS...which is why they suck down a LOT less current
 > than the 6809s and thus run way cooler.

Thanks for the info, James.  I'd read all the replies to the original
post.. Really makes you proud to be part of a group that can respond
so well to a question.

If I had ever heard about the difference between the designations, it
had passed on to /nil.  It's good to know.. as I'd said to 01Gen, I'd
wondered if my chip was less than the "C"s.  Maybe so, but I suppose
that for the application, it would be of no concern, since my computer was
not stepped up in clock rate or anything.


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
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90735 20-NOV 02:43 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90724)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: DBREEDING

David,
Regarding the "B", "C" in the various '09 cpu's,  I recall that
Motorola used something like this:

68A09 was 1.0 Mhz.
68B09 was 2.0 Mhz.

If Hatachi followed the same numbering system their chips would
be as follows:

63A09 = 1.0 Mhz
63B09 = 2.0 Mhz
63C09 = 3.0 Mhz

I guess I can't prove any of this since I have long
since disposed of all of my 8-bit Motorola books.

Allen Morgan

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90761 21-NOV 22:10 General Information
     RE: My cursor!? Those darned dots! (Re: Msg 90723)
     From: RICKULAND    To: 01GEN40 (NR)

I see to misremeber that, depending on what you are doing and how you
are patched, palettes 1-8 and 9-16 must be identical to keep things
copasetic. Does your 'palette munging' do this?
                              -ricku

                  Rick Ulland                 CoNect
         rickuland@delphi.com           449 South 90th St.
"Operating System Nine"- 268m           Milwaukee WI 53214

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90709 19-NOV 07:48 General Information
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 90655)
     From: JEJONES      To: DPHILIPSEN (NR)

 > I'd love to see the latest version of Kermit uploaded here.

You could always ftp it from Columbia.  5A (190) is out in an
OS-9 version, and it's real nice.  (Big, but nice; one can
conditionally compile in/out various hunks to save space and/or
give you your choice of features.)

 > If it's got
 > the capability of doing sliding windows then I'm in business.

Kermit's had that for about 8 years.  (Now, if only Delphi could be
bothered to install a version of Kermit less than eight years old...)

 > The MW
 > supplied kermit seems to send blocks no larger than about 70 bytes.

94.  See da Cruz's *Kermit: a file transfer protocol* (Digital Press).

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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90710 19-NOV 07:48 General Information
     RE: eprom (Re: Msg 90667)
     From: JEJONES      To: RICKULAND

 > But the crux  of the  biscuit...

Aha!  A Frank Zappa fan! :-)  Cool!

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90711 19-NOV 07:48 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Connect Speed (Re: Msg 90672)
     From: JEJONES      To: JMICHELSON

 > Anyone notice that you can log into Delphi (at least on Sprintnet) at
 > 14.4k baud recently?

Yup.  It's been that way in Des Moines for a while.  Now, if only the
packet network feeding those v.32bis modems could keep the kitty fed...sigh.

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90725 19-NOV 17:12 Programmers Den
     _gs_rdy() Question
     From: DBREEDING    To: ALL

Hey, Gang,  I have a question.  Why doesn't the following work?

I have tried this both on my OSK and CoCo, and get similar results.
The program as written will continue to loop, keeping getting the "AT"
and "OK", with some other gibberish.  It seems to keep writing and reading
the modem.

If the while{} statement is not used, and The Alternate Method, commented
out, here, is used, if you write something to the modem, then you keep
getting a positive value returned from _gs_rdy().  If you do the for loop
without writing to the modem, you keep getting a -1 returned, which is
correct.  But if something has been written, it looks like the pointer
is not getting updated, and, in fact, it seems that it keeps getting rewritten
to the serial port.. strange.. or am I overlooking something?

Note: this is the coco version, but, as I said, OSK seems to act the same
way.  This here is just a test program.. but it still looks like it SHOULD
work.  I've also tried time loop delays between reads, etc, but still
no luck.. I can't see why it keeps sending to the modem..

          #include <stdio.h>
          #include <lowio.h>

          int mdm;
          char buf[30];
          char cmd[10] = "AT\x0d";   /* try something else, too */


          main()
          {
           int count, state;

            if ( (mdm=open("/t2",UPDATE)) == -1)
              exit(1);

            write( mdm,cmd,3);

            while ((state=_gs_rdy(mdm)) > 0 ) {
              printf("\x0a_gs_rdy()=%d  Read()=%d   ",
                       state, read( mdm,buf,state ) );
              fflush(stdout);
              write( 1,buf,state );
            }

          /* Alternate method */
          /* if the above after the open() is deleted, _gs_rdy() returns
             -1, but if the write() call is left in, it goes crazy */
            for (count=1;count<10;count++ ) {
              printf("_gs_rdy()=%d\n",_gs_rdy(mdm) );
            }    /* End Alternate method */

            close(mdm);
          }

                   -- David Breeding --
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90753 21-NOV 02:20 Programmers Den
     RE: _gs_rdy() Question (Re: Msg 90725)
     From: PAGAN        To: DBREEDING (NR)

 Dave,

 You need to zero out the path options.  Under 3.2 you will use _gs_opt()
 twice (one to change and one to save), zero out everything but the baud
 rate and use _ss_opt to set the new options.  Since switching to UCC for all
 dvelopment most of my old 3.2 code was put onto floppies so I dn't have
 anything I can convenirntly send you.

 Stephen (PAGAN)


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90741 20-NOV 08:42 General Information
     MVCanvas
     From: DONALDS      To: ALL

e Haaland of Hyper-tech software is still around and
if ther where any updates to MVCanvas from version 2? I would like to see
 world.
 Don

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90745 20-NOV 16:52 General Information
     printer cable
     From: WAYNETHOMPSO To: ALL

Can anyone tell me the pinout of a pc clone type parallel printer cable?
I is the kind that hase a 25pin dsub at on end and a 36pin centronics
connector at the other.
 Thanks,
 Wayne


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90746 20-NOV 18:00 General Information
     New CD-i Stuff
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

Hi all,

I thought I'd let everyone know about my latest CD-i acquisitions :-)

        o Naked Gun 33 1/3 -- The MPEG encoding on this movie is *VERY* good.
          I was very impressed.  Like other movies, this one came on two discs.
          This movie has VIDEO CD across the bottom; I presume that this movie
          would be able to be played in a dedicated Video CD player.  A very
          good job on this one.

        o Sargon Chess -- Very very cool!  I'm not a great chess player, but
          thought this classic program would be cool to have.  It has a very
          nice tutorial on chess playing and strategy for beginners.  There
          are three modes: Novice, Beginner and Expert.  You can play against
          "Sargon" as white or black, or let Sargon play against himself.  You
          can also edit the board with pieces and locations you want.  This
          feature is great to examine strategy.  Again, Sargon can play against
          himself even in this mode.

          You can select either a 2D or 3D chess perspective.  3D has several
          chess sets (marble, wood, etc.)  There's nice music or comment by
          Sargon when making a move, or you can opt for silence.  You also have
          the option of timing moves and viewing elapsed or cumulative time, or
          no time at all.

I ordered Clue (based on the Parker Brothers board game) but haven't gotten
it yet.  As soon as I do I'll post my observations.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__    __  __              Delphi:  BOISY
          |_   _|   \ \/ /              CompuServe:  74464,3005
I use...   _| |_     >  <               Internet:  boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
          |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0   OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems

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90747 20-NOV 19:22 General Information
     RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90746)
     From: MRGOOD       To: BOISY

Today I saw Burn:Cycle at the local Sears.  They had it running on the
demo machine.  It was the first time I've ever seen crowds of kids
trying to get at the CD-I display.  From the opening credits, it looks
like a great game.  Unfortunately, they didn't have any in stock.

I was definitely feeling that deep down I want-I want feeling.

Hugo

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90750 20-NOV 23:02 General Information
     RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90747)
     From: JEJONES      To: MRGOOD

 > Today I saw Burn:Cycle at the local Sears.  They had it running on the
 > demo machine.  It was the first time I've ever seen crowds of kids
 > trying to get at the CD-I display.

Cool!  I hope that *Burn:Cycle* gets featured heavily in ads.

 > From the opening credits, it looks like a great game.

It's an amazing game.  I personally don't go in much for games, but
this one is a *must*.  (Now, if I can just get past that "Step aside,
*LOSER*! <hysterical laugh>" at Psychic Roulette...)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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90752 21-NOV 00:13 General Information
     RE: New CD-i Stuff (Re: Msg 90750)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JEJONES

I liked Burn:Cycle too... itis visually spetacualar, and quite entertaining,
BUT itwas not nearly dificult enough. I completed it in less then two evenings
of playing... I think it could have used more action shootouts, and more
puzzles init, with "wrong" turns that could lead you down the wrong
path for a while.
--
Paul

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90748 20-NOV 20:00 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night: Reminder
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

             ***OS-9 Late Night***
                Open Topic
             Monday November 21, 10:00 PM est

        I might not be there myself, but I'll try to show. Since I have
   to be up  very early Tuesday morning, I can't really spend much time
   online, but since it's just an open conference anyway, you won't need
   me there :-)

        Last week was a pretty good conference, so let's keep up the
   momentum!

        See Ya
        >Chris<

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90749 20-NOV 22:36 General Information
     OS9/Intel
     From: MACFADZEN    To: ALL

Is there a version of OS9 that will run on an Intel 486 ? Also has there been
any statement for OS9 and the Power PC ?

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90751 21-NOV 00:09 General Information
     RE: OS9/Intel (Re: Msg 90749)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MACFADZEN

OS-9000, will run on 80386 and up systems, and also, there is now a version
for the PowerPC. OS-9000 is Microware's "portable" version of OS-9, being
that is is written primarily (entirely?) in C. It hassome differences then
"normal" OS-9, but in general, it acts and feels like OS-9...
--
Paul

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90755 21-NOV 06:58 General Information
     RE: OS9/Intel (Re: Msg 90749)
     From: JEJONES      To: MACFADZEN

 > Is there a version of OS9 that will run on an Intel 486 ? Also has there
 > been any statement for OS9 and the Power PC ?

OS-9000, which is a lot like OS-9 but instead of being written in assembly
language is written mostly in C, has been ported to 68xxx and 80x86, for
x >= 3.  Microware has committed to doing a version for the PowerPC.

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90756 21-NOV 15:32 General Information
     RE: OS9/Intel (Re: Msg 90749)
     From: ISC          To: MACFADZEN

> Is there a version of OS9 that will run on an Intel 486 ? Also has there been
> any statement for OS9 and the Power PC ?
>
Mac,

I think that would be called OS-9000.  Very expensive from Microware Corp. as
I understand. I don't know of any word on the Power PC.


Bill


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90759 21-NOV 21:39 General Information
     RE: OS9/Intel (Re: Msg 90751)
     From: MACFADZEN    To: MITHELEN

Thank you for your reply, this is for all who replied , I dont
want to generate multiple answers so I hope this covers all.
Do you know of a supplier of OS9000 ie an ADDRESS ? again thanks

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90765 22-NOV 00:10 General Information
     RE: OS9/Intel (Re: Msg 90759)
     From: CHYDE        To: MACFADZEN (NR)

OS-9000 is available from:

        Microware Systems Corp.
        1900 N.W. 114th St.
        Des Moines, Iowa 50325-7077

        Phone: 515-224-1929

If I remember correctly it's about $1,000, but that includes The OS,
utilities, a C compiler, editor.  Microware will send you info
if you ask.

        Chris

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90758 21-NOV 20:58 General Information
     CDRom stuff
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: ALL

Hi All!

  Just a quick note. My new utility for reading directories and copying files
from BOTH CDRom and CD-i discs (one utility) has been uploaded to delphi
and should be available soon. Requires a CDRom reader, driver, and decriptor
(anyone's should work, mine included).

  BUT my CDRom File Manager (CDF) will make it obsolete very soon!!!!

                                           Chris


   :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->  Chris "HAWKSoft"  <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

        Delphi: HAWKSOFT                   Internet: HAWKSOFT@DELPHI.COM

   ******************< Uploaded w/ InfoXpress vr. 1.02.00 >******************

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90762 21-NOV 22:22 System Modules (6809)
     RE: TESTCLOCK (Re: Msg 90637)
     From: WDTV5        To: DONALDS (NR)

Good grief! I've no idea how this msg sat from the 12th till the 21st
without getting my attention. Please accept my apologies. I have been online
many times in that time frame, but with the coco, not the amiga that captures
this stuff via a script. Its late tonite, but look in your mailbox late tomm.
nite for some helping hand. One thing bothers me tho, all the "boot" modules
I've played with have all been the same length, $12A bytes. I think that may
even be carved in fairly hard marble, alltho I can't think of a good reason
for it to be so. As far as putting track 34 back goes, the instructs in my
earlier upload called "krnlutils" should make that pretty easy. That upload
has several items thaT make moving kernals a piece of cake. That set of
utils, and my vfy14.lzh + vfy12.lzh give you enough tools to handle that.
And theres a set of instructs with each. I hope this helps, thats the
help in a nutshell.
Again, sorry I missed it, Cheers, Gene Heskett

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