
82350 21-OCT 03:59 General Information
     RE: MOTD (Re: Msg 82331)
     From: MREGC        To: MARKGRIFFITH

Thanks for the info, Mark. I already have a lot of their literature, but I know
ther's a whole book left on the VSC that they didn't send me.

..Eric...

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82351 21-OCT 04:09 Programmers Den
     RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 82309)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

 > I thought
 > about OSk, but, alot of the OSk apps are either from UNIX or UNIX
 > "inspired". I have a theory, if I want to listen to Jimi Hendrix like
 > music, I will listen to Hendrix himself, not Lenny Kravitz, by the same
 > token, if I want to run Unix-like stuff, I will use UNIX.

That's like saying you'll only drive a Toyota in Japan because it was first made

in Japan.  Just because a utilitiy (such as the GNU utilities which I'm sure
you're refering too) was first written on a UNIX system doesn't mean it is
somehow less useful on an OS-9 box.

The GNU utilities are being ported to OS-9 because they are very good and freely

available.  In a previous message, you asked if AR can be ported to UNIX (which
is already has).  Wouldn't you say, judging from your logic, that it would be
'bad form' to run an OS-9 utility on a UNIX box?

There are many advantages to OSK over UNIX.  Believe me, I am the system
administrator for several UNIX machines.  If there were an equal number of
applications for OS-9 as there are for MSDOS or UNIX, I believe OS-9 would be
the major operating system of the world.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82357 21-OCT 18:50 Programmers Den
     RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 82351)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

I am not saying that it is "bad form" to run GNU utils and programs under OSk, I

am just saying that, for me, since I already have a UNIX system, at this point
OS-9/68k application wise, still isnt enough incentive to spring for an OSk
machine..As for AR running under UNIX, no, I am talking about applications
mostly here, Unix AR, and the DOS AR, and the OSk AR, just lets people share
info a little easier, what I am saying is, that right now, OSk, application wise

doesnt hold any advantage (for me) over UNIX, so why switch? esp when most of
the OSk programming utils ARE GNU stuff (Which I already have under UNIX).
Hopefully, (and by looking at the UG's perpective I think there will) one day be

more incentive for me to by an OSk box. When/If I do, I would use the GNU utils
like everyone else, I am simply saying, right now, OSk doesnt have enough to
make me switch.. granted, if I wont the lottery (which would be hard, since I
dont play) I would buy an OSk machine in a snap, I would probably buy all 3
major systems (MM/1,Sys 5,Kix/30) but until I have 35 million $$, I have to
think about my wallet..

Think of it this may Mark, if you REALLY wanted/needed to run Wordperfect and
you didnt have a computer (of any sort) would you buy a UNIX box to run it, or a

PC? (considering the price of a UNIX system vs a PC, and a copy of Wordperfect
DOS/Windows vs a Unix version) Thinking with your wallet, I am sure you would
take a PC with DOS. Esp when there are more apps for DOS. I myself, cant stand
DOS, so, I took the next-best thing, application wise, UNIX.

                                                  -* Mike

Use whatever floats your boat...

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82414 24-OCT 10:41 Programmers Den
     RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 82357)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

 > I am not saying that it is "bad form" to run GNU utils and programs under
 > OSk, I am just saying that, for me, since I already have a UNIX system, at
 > this point OS-9/68k application wise, still isnt enough incentive to
 > spring for an OSk machine.

From a application users viewpoint, no, there isn't any reason to run an OSK
system.  There just arn't enough applications out there to justify it. I'm not
arguing that point.  However, from a programmers perspective, especially if you
are writing device drivers, or low-level-to-the-hareware utilities, OS-9 shines.

It all depends upon your needs.

We are trying to get more applications for OS-9 to be written, but it is
difficult to get people to do things.  It's the old Catch-22, no one whats to
write good applications because they say they can't sell enough to make it worth

their while, and there arn't enough people using OS-9 because there arn't enough

applications.  (Sigh)


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82429 24-OCT 23:36 Programmers Den
     RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 82414)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

agreed, from a programmers perpective, OS-9 is the best, hands down. I do do
some programming, but I would really rather plunk down some $$ for a program and

do what I need to do, now, than write it, and wait a few months do actually DO
what it is I need to get done. So, I really dont need GNU stuff under OS-9 (Osk)

I need apps. When those apps become available (on either OS-9 or OS-9000
platforms) I will but a machine. (and hopefully someday there will be enough
apps) OS-9000/PowerPC would be the only one I would "throw caution into the
wind" on. Simple because it would be such a GREAT system the I would be willing
to write programs more for it, and because PowerOPEN would still be there to
back me up when I really need access to an app that runs under DOS,or Windows,
or even Unix.

                                                        -* Mike

If only MWare would start pushing OS-9000 more. I mean, fix up VPC so it will be

able to hold its own againt OS/2 and go for it...whats the worst that could
happen? isnt like we have a whole heck of alot of users as it is..

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82442 25-OCT 18:07 Programmers Den
     RE: C Compiler (Re: Msg 82429)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: ILLUSIONIST

Hi Mike--I agree with you about Microware getting VPC squared away. If it could
have run Autocad, I would have an OS9000 network running in my engineering
office right now. As it turns out we run OS2 which doesn't hold a candle as an
op sys. <Phil>

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82352 21-OCT 04:14 General Information
     RE: Octal <-> Decim. (Re: Msg 82342)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: ILLUSIONIST

 > anyone know of an octal <-> decimal conversion subroutine for B09? or even a
 > program with source that I could take a look at..
 >
 > -* Mike
 >

I believe B09 has the modulus (MOD) function, so it should be rather
easy to write such a routine.  It would be something like:

(* decimal to octal *)
(* Note that a value MUST be place in decimal... probably should use
(* a parameter... the contents of decimal gets destroyed...
(* output will be placed in octal$
dim decimal,digit,t:integer
dim octalrev$,octal$:string

octal$=""
octalrev$=""
while (decimal>0) do
  digit=MOD(decimal,8)
  octalrev$=octalrev$+str$(digit)
  decimal=decimal/8
endwhile
(* Now we have octal number in octalrev$, but it's in reverse order...*)
(* So, invert it so it's correct in octal$ *)
for t=len(octalrev$) to 1 step -1
  octal$=octal$+mid$(octalrev$,t,1)
next t
print octal$
END


(* Procedure to go from octal to decimal...  octal$ should contain
(* the octal number string.  decimal will contain the decimal value when
(* finished.  Again, params should be used.
dim octal$:string
dim decimal,t:integer

decimal=0
for t=1 to len(octal$)
  decimal=decimal+val(mid$(octal$,t,1))*(8**(len(octal$)-t))
next t
print decimal
END

Hope that helps!


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82358 21-OCT 18:52 General Information
     RE: Octal <-> Decim. (Re: Msg 82352)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JOELHEGBERG

Thanks! I was fooling around with that, but all the methods I used worked till
around dec. 512 then they failed..thanks..

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82370 22-OCT 00:08 General Information
     RE: Octal <-> Decim. (Re: Msg 82342)
     From: NICKJOHNSON  To: ILLUSIONIST

Take a look at PRINT USING.
                    -=/\/ick=-

 NICKJOHNSON on delphi
 NJOHNSON1 on NVN
 nickjohnson@delphi.com on internet

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82379 23-OCT 01:06 General Information
     RE: Octal <-> Decim. (Re: Msg 82342)
     From: PAGAN        To: ILLUSIONIST

 Mike,

    >anyone know of an octal <-> decimal conversion subroutine for
    >B09? or even a program with source that I could take a look at..

 It's been a while so I'm not sure of the syntax for B09 anymore but try
 something like:

 define string:str
 define integer:cntr,value
 define byte:khar

 cntr=0;
 value=0;
 while(str[cntr]<>255)
     char=str[cntr]-48
     exitif
         (char > 7)
     endexit
     value=value*8
     value=value+khar
     cntr=cntr+1;
 endwhile

 The above assumes that BYTE variables are unsigned.  If not then you'll also
 have to check for 'khar < 0'.  The expression 'value*8' can be replace with
 a 3 bit logical left shift if B09 has any such command

 Stephen (PAGAN)


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82353 21-OCT 04:14 OSK Applications
     RE: Fixmod (Re: Msg 82345)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: KSCALES

 > > Just made up a new disk for you...  I'll drop it off at your place in
 > > about 10 minutes when I drop off your brother's reports...
 > >
 > > -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.
 >
 > I've had pretty good support from several OS-9 vendors, but have to admit
 > that this sort of stands out...
 >
 > <g>... / Ken

Hehe, too bad we all just don't live in a big OS-9 city so we'd all live
close together... ah, dreams of euphoria...



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82354 21-OCT 14:39 General Information
     B&B Disk woes
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL


    I have a Coco3 / 512k with a B&B hard disk interface. I recently moved my
machine which is repackaged in a PC case, and when I set
    it back up, I couldn't access the disk. I tried to reboot and an
    attempt is made to read the startup file but it bombs. The shell
    comes up from the floppy. I could chd to /h0, but the directory
    was garbled. Some directorys would cause the drive to run forever
    when I tried moveing to them. Since it appeared data was garbled,
    I thought "no sweat, I'll do a recover from backup". I did a format
    of /H0 and that seemed to go fine, but after the format I can't chd
    to /h0 at all.

    I also re-seated the drive card and checked the interface, but nothing
    helps. Doe anyone have any idea? I don't know whether to suspect the troller

card. There isn't much to the B&B card
    itself, but I guess it could be fried as well. The Coco works fine and
    so do the floppy drives under both OS/9 and RS-DOS, it's just the har
    drive that won't work properly.

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82355 21-OCT 18:34 Programmers Den
     RE: OS-9 Scrabble (Re: Msg 82343)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: COLORSYSTEMS

Yup, and I am wondering if people really want a dictionary file laying around
just for a scabble game..


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82356 21-OCT 18:36 Programmers Den
     RE: OS-9 Scrabble (Re: Msg 82344)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JEJONES

Thanks! I have seen that book in the computer science room..I will have to take
a look at it..and photo copy the "spell" section..

                                                  -* Mike

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82360 21-OCT 19:36 Programmers Den
     RE: OS-9 Scrabble (Re: Msg 82355)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ILLUSIONIST

Maybe you could strike a deal with someone like Bob van der Poel who includes a
dictionary with VED.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 via InfoXpress/OSK by Bill Dickhaus

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82361 21-OCT 20:22 Programmers Den
     RE: OS-9 Scrabble (Re: Msg 82360)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: COLORSYSTEMS

Yeah, I thought of using a dictionary file that is already out there that way,
people dont have 3-4 different, and LARGE dictionary files around I am wondering

how fast it will be though..I might wait until I get a C compiler for the CoCo,
writing it in Basic would be possible, but maybe not that practical, off an HD
or RAM disk, it might be OK. But floppy, ouch. Will have to see..
                                                   -* Mike

I am starting to itch for more text based games. I have the adventure game, text

OTHELLO, and hangman..but, I want a few more..maybe I will look into porting
some BBS games from BBS specifics to native OS-9. I can also get the source for
a few DOS bbs games..my friend wrote a few.. he did them in QuickBASIC, ANSI
hardcoded..


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82359 21-OCT 19:10 Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82336)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: CHARLESAM

I am not affiliated with Northern Xposure other than I know the guys
personnally. I do not know if they can take phone orders with a credit card. All

I can say is call them and find out.

ps: I did SEE Smash! in action in Atlanta and let me say I was quite impressed.
It is a "Breakout" style of game but is 100 times more "dynamic" than Breakout
was. It looks particularly good on a supercharged (6309) CoCo.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 via InfoXpress/OSK by Bill Dickhaus

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82363 21-OCT 20:48 Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82359)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: COLORSYSTEMS

A 6309 is what I have. I'll give them a buzz after I return from Tennessee. I
get back 11/5. Will probably see Dave Myers while there. Nice to meet up with my

money again... He!He! Thanx for the info and when I get it I'll post my
review....;-) Later Charlie

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82368 21-OCT 23:38 Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82363)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: CHARLESAM

Hey!! Say "hello" to Dave for me!!!


------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 via InfoXpress/OSK by Bill Dickhaus

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82372 22-OCT 05:48 Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82297)
     From: BROWN80      To: CHARLESAM

I don't know his address but SMASH! is being distributed by:

     Northern Xposure
     7 Greenboro Cres
     Ottawa, ON
     Canada
     K1T 1W6
     (613) 736-0329

It is a fairly simmple breakout type game, but with 32 levels, 17 block styles
and the ability to customize, it is never boring.  They print a warning in the
documentation about the addictive nature of the game that is worth reading!


            John Brown

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82761 5-NOV 23:38  Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82368)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: COLORSYSTEMS

I just got back from Tennessee and 'am happy to report that Dave and Nancy are
just fine. Lovely people. I didn't receive your message in time to say 'Hello'
but you can do that here since Dave gets on from time to time.
 Charlie

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82762 5-NOV 23:41  Games & Graphics
     RE: Smash (Re: Msg 82372)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: BROWN80 (NR)

Thanx John, I'm ordering the game tommorrow via mail. I just love addictive
games but my spouse has other feelings about such things. Then again, she can't
play just one game of Shanghai either.... Charlie

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82362 21-OCT 20:28 General Information
     6309
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

I have been thinking, it might be a good idea to come up with a way to have a
program be able to tell if it is on a patched 6309 system, or if it is under
native 6809 , or unpatched 6309. I simple data module or maybe a really good
data module set up to hold more than just info on the processor maybe other
things could be added, (cant think of any off the top of my head) but I am sure
you guys can..at very least maybe we should come up with a "standard" file
format do be put in /dd/sys "env.file" is a good attempt.. I guess we could
extend that a bit..

any thoughts on this one?

                                                  -* Mike

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82367 21-OCT 23:11 General Information
     RE: 6309 (Re: Msg 82362)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: ILLUSIONIST

it shouldn't be hard to write a small assembly sub to detect the cpu type, a
6309 in or not in native mode would be irrelevent I would assume.

Mike

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82364 21-OCT 20:48 Programmers Den
     RE: buzzing noises in OS-9 (Re: Msg 82326)
     From: NICKJOHNSON  To: EARTHER

  Hmmm. that *should* have cleared it up.... if only I had a disassembly of the
play command... Oh well... try to find Mike Guzzi's soundoff program.
                    -=/\/ick=-

 NICKJOHNSON on delphi
 NJOHNSON1 on NVN
 nickjohnson@delphi.com on internet

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82451 25-OCT 20:59 Programmers Den
     RE: buzzing noises in OS-9 (Re: Msg 82347)
     From: MODEL299     To: EARTHER

I understand programming in general but am basically a hardware person.  My
system no longer looks like a COCO.  Many upgrades including 2 Meg and high
density controller with an added twist of being able to know if the disk in the
3.5" drive is a 720K or 1.4M disk.  As for programming, The PLAYSOUND program is

one of the largest I have done and by far the largest BASIC09 program.  A
modified startrek program is being planned but is still in the early planning
stages.  Let me know how you like the sound program.  It was intended to make
working with the files easy for the normal users.   Mark

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82491 27-OCT 02:03 Programmers Den
     RE: buzzing noises in OS-9 (Re: Msg 82451)
     From: EARTHER      To: MODEL299

I liked PLAYSOUND.  It's a much needed utility.

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82544 29-OCT 00:08 Programmers Den
     RE: buzzing noises in OS-9 (Re: Msg 82491)
     From: MODEL299     To: EARTHER

Glad to hear you like PLAYSOUND.  I spent about 6 months developing it because
as I was making it I was also learning BASIC09.  For every problem I ran into I
had to fiure out what commands might help, then learn how to use them and
finally de-bug the overall program.  By the time it reached the version here I
was both pleased with it and pleased to be done with it.
     This program goes great with the 2 Meg memory...really flies.

Thanks for the comments and have fun!!!   Mark

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End of Thread.

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82365 21-OCT 21:16 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82306)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: NICKJOHNSON

Just hoppin in and responding to the query about setting echo/no echo. Yes, that

can be done without tmode but you have to write a little BASIC program that uses

syscall to changes values in the path desriptor. I have done that and include a
module called tmd (miniature tmode) in a prgram that I hope to have ready to
release shortly. I will share the tmd source if ya like. Just have to go find
it. It can be used to turn echo and pausing on and off as well as disable the
END/BREAK key. Does this from within A BASIC program without having to fork a
shell so kinda handy.
  --Cheers,
    TedJaeger

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82366 21-OCT 21:57 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82306)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: NICKJOHNSON

Nick, as Ted said, turning on/off echo, or anything else tmode does, can be done

from basic via the SysCall command. I attempt to upload the following last
night, but Delphi/Sprint took a mini vacation in the middle. It's a totally
useless program that turns off echo, writes to the screen, reads chars from the
keyboard, and on getting a <cr> puts the "tmode" back to as it was, and exits.
While the overhead of setting up Syscall may appear great, it is really useful.
You can use it to access *any* os9 user state system call. You can do your own
error trapping without having to worry about what B09 will do in a given
situation. ANd most important, you can do such nice things as putting the
terminal back into the "tmode" state it was in. NO hardcoded echo/pause on/off
at exit. Just put the original opts back.

PROCEDURE Echo_off
BASE 0
TYPE stack=cc,a,b,dp:BYTE; x,y,u:INTEGER
DIM s1:stack
DIM Igetstat,Isetstat,IRead,IWrite,ss_opt,ss_ready:BYTE
DIM oldopt(32),newopt(32):BYTE
DIM char:BYTE
DIM mess:STRING
Igetstat=$8D
Isetstat=$8E
IRead=$89
IWrite=$8A
ss_opt=$00
ss_ready=$01
mess="Type away. <cr> to end"+CHR$($0D)+CHR$($0A)
s1.x=ADDR(oldopt)
s1.a=0
s1.b=ss_opt
RUN SysCall(Igetstat,s1)
newopt=oldopt
newopt(4)=0
s1.a=0
s1.b=ss_opt
s1.x=ADDR(newopt)
RUN SysCall(Isetstat,s1)
s1.a=1
s1.x=ADDR(mess)
s1.y=LEN(mess)
RUN SysCall(IWrite,s1)
REPEAT
char=0
s1.a=0
s1.b=ss_ready
RUN SysCall(Igetstat,s1)
IF LAND(s1.cc,1)=0 THEN
s1.x=ADDR(char)
s1.y=1
s1.a=0
RUN SysCall(IRead,s1)
ENDIF
UNTIL char=$0D
s1.a=0
s1.b=ss_opt
s1.x=ADDR(oldopt)
RUN SysCall(Isetstat,s1)
END

    Randy

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82398 23-OCT 23:21 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82229)
     From: THETAURUS    To: ILLUSIONIST

        Thanks for the tip Mike. I'm gonna try that as well as some other
   looping structures. I still can't figure out why the current
   while/endwhile loop isn't working. So far my only option is to use the
   error trap, which functionally is fine and it does get the job done,
   but since the sole purpose of this program is to learn how to do
   things right, and in the end make sure it is as efficient and tight as
   possible. This is why I am hoping to get it accomplished with a loop
   waiting for EOF. For some reason it simply isn't reading the EOF, as
   if the actual escaping action<Ctrl-Break> takes precedence to what is
   waiting for it, so it doesn't even get read unless there is an error
   trap in there. Also, the code you sent me looks pretty informative.
   I'm gonna try working on it tomorrow, since I have the day off from
   work<the first Sunday off in ages!<G>, and I'll see if I can work
   parts of your code into mine. If I get anything significant done, I'll
   post here letting you know, and possibly showing the code. I looked it
   over several times and am beginning to understand the flow of the
   program<I don't have a book to read right now besides OS9 stuff, so I
   just look over source code when going to bed ;-) >. Also, I noticed
   when skimming over my batch of messages earlier, that Randy had an
   interesting reply regarding your code so I'll see what's up with that,
   and whatever else is new in this thread<which I will download after
   posting this>. Thanks again, and I'll see what I can make out of all
   that!
        >Chris<

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82399 23-OCT 23:21 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82233)
     From: THETAURUS    To: ILLUSIONIST

        >>One note though, make sure you convert the name to all upper or
   lower case. for variable comparison.

        I was wondering why you were doing that in your code. Can you
   expand on that? I don't quite understand why it has to be converted,
   and how does it relate to the variable? Is it so that low level<byte
   by byte> comparison is possible? I didn't know it was case sensitive.
        >Chris<

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82403 23-OCT 23:59 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82398)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: THETAURUS

Ok, hope the code I sent helps ya out, I didnt realize until AFTER I sent it
that I didnt document it to well..if you have any questions on it let me know..
                                                  -* Mike

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82404 24-OCT 00:04 Programmers Den
     RE: Latest Basic Trouble (Re: Msg 82399)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: THETAURUS

because, the code itself looks at the filename it got from the disk, and the
name(s) you gave it. if the name$ you gave it, and the filename from the disk
are the same, it DOESNT delete the filename, and goes to the next file in the
dir. now, if you typed in say, "JUNK.file" and the actual filename is
"junk.FILE" (note the caps) to OS-9, it doesnt matter, to Basic09 "JUNK.file"
doesnt equal "junk.FILE". and because it DOESNT equal the program deletes the
filename (assuming that, it isnt the file you specified, it has no way of know
the junk.FILE and JUNK.file" are REALLY the same, unless you capitalize
both..see?


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82369 22-OCT 00:05 General Information
     RE: FEST! (Re: Msg 82315)
     From: TONYPODRAZA  To: REVWCP

Your response has duly been noted.  That's one!  It will be a pleasure to see
you again.

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82385 23-OCT 08:09 General Information
     RE: FEST! (Re: Msg 82304)
     From: KEITHBAUER   To: TONYPODRAZA

Tony,

 > Announcing
 > The Third Annual "last" Chicago CoCoFEST!
 > May 21 & 22, 1994

Great! It is marked on the calendar, good thing I got one of those 18 month
ones. See ya there

 Keith Bauer

           CIS     :71102,317   Delphi  :keithbauer
           Internet:keithbauer@delphi.com

 Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01    How 'bout them Cowboys!

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82371 22-OCT 00:29 General Information
     X-Pad under OS-9
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

I picked up an X-Pad the other day and began to play with it.

This thing is really neat!  I hooked it up to my Multi-Pak on my CoCo 3, typed
in a BASIC program that was in the X-Pad manual, and saw it work.

Well, I've started writing a driver for it under OS-9.  My question is two-fold:

(1) Has anyone already developed a driver for the X-Pad under OS-9 Level II, and

(2) If not, would anyone be interested in such a thing?

Since the X-Pad is not interrupt-driven, I've opted to use the GetStat call to
gather information about the pen position and status.  If anyone is interested,
I'll upload it when I'm finished along with sample code on how to access it, and

a C binding.

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82376 23-OCT 00:04 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82371)
     From: WOAY         To: BOISY

Great, I've had one of those things in my ditty box for what will be 6-7 years
now, and have been trying to figure out how to use it in os9 for about that
long!  But I've also looked into increasing its resolution which would be
hardware hacking. Tel ya what, do the software, but don't liimit it to coco2
resolutions, and I'll see what I can hack up in hardware to make it 320-640 but
192-200 or so.  Cheers, Gene

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82378 23-OCT 00:42 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82376)
     From: BOISY        To: WOAY

I've ran into a slight problem with the X-Pad -- it won't work under 2MHz.  If I

slow down OS-9 Level II to .89MHz, the values can be read fine.  I verified this

under RS-DOS with the same results.

So before it can be usable under OS-9 Level 2, the hardware glitch will have to
be addressed.  Perhaps you could do that Gene?

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82380 23-OCT 01:23 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82378)
     From: ROYBUR       To: BOISY

 i wouldn't be surprised to find that COCOKIWI (Dennis) has already done that.
 might be worth askin'. 8*)...........roy

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82381 23-OCT 02:28 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82371)
     From: LARRYOLSON   To: BOISY

   Yes, definitely. I've got one of those x-pads back in the closet, just crying

to run under OS9. Larry

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82383 23-OCT 04:03 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82371)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: BOISY

 > I picked up an X-Pad the other day and began to play with it.
 > This thing is really neat!  I hooked it up to my Multi-Pak on my CoCo 3,
 > typed in a BASIC program that was in the X-Pad manual, and saw it work.

Those XPADS were amazing things!  My school had a network of CoCo's and
also had an X-Pad and I could barely believe my eyes when I saw what it
could do... even detect if the pen was floating above the board.  I had
lots of great fun with it and always wondered why they didn't become
more popular.


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82391 23-OCT 13:54 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82378)
     From: KSCALES      To: BOISY

 > I've ran into a slight problem with the X-Pad -- it won't work under 2MHz.
 >  If I slow down OS-9 Level II to .89MHz, the values can be read fine.  I
 > verified this under RS-DOS with the same results.
 >
 > So before it can be usable under OS-9 Level 2, the hardware glitch will
 > have to
 > be addressed.  Perhaps you could do that Gene?

Hi, Boisy -

My main CC3 disk controller for several years was one of the old (1981?) 12V
types that couldn't handle 1.79 MHz.  When Rogue first came out (yeah! our first

taste of Level 2 on the CC3!) it wouldn't boot until I patched the hi-speed
switch out of the kernal.  I modified CC3Disk to slow the clock on entry, and
restore on exit, and ran this way permanently.  (Didn't even really slow things
down much, since CC3Disk spends most of its time halted anyways, and it doesn't
matter if you are halted at .895 MHz or 1.79 MHz...)

The only glitch I ran into is when I installed the DISTO 1-Meg upgrade, cosmetic

thing, though (due to the timing) -- never any problems resulting from this.

You may be able to do the same within your X-Pad driver.

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
         ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **

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82393 23-OCT 15:43 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82371)
     From: WOLFDEN      To: BOISY

reply to message: 82371

>     From: BOISY        To: ALL

> I picked up an X-Pad the other day and began to play with it. > This thing is
really neat!  I hooked it up to my Multi-Pak on my CoCo 3, > typed in a BASIC
program that was in the X-Pad manual, and saw it work. > > Well, I've started
writing a driver for it under OS-9.  My question is >  two-fold > > (1) Has
anyone already developed a driver for the X-Pad under OS-9 Level II, > (2) If
not, would anyone be interested in such a thing? > > Since the X-Pad is not
interrupt-driven, I've opted to use the GetStat call > to gather information
about the pen position and status.  If anyone is > interested I'll upload it
when I'm finished along with sample code on how > to access it, a C binding.

This is Jim Vestal, using my friend's account.  When I had my old x-pad I write
a small basic09 program that did the same peeks that the disk basic program,
unfornately the source along with all my old source have been lost to a hard
drive crash several years ago.  I have since sold my xpad but may be getting
another one soon.  By the way I had my xpad back in 1984-85 long before the CoCo

3 and level 2 was released.  I wrote the basic09 program under Level 1.

I heard that the xpad's controllor does not work under the 2 Mhz speed of the
CoCo 3.  It will work at 1 mhz though.  I hope that this report was wrong.

Yes, I would be interested in getting the OS-9 Level 2 drivers for the xpad.
Even if it works only at Mhz your driver can slow the computer down to read the
xpad and speed it back up afterwards.

Jim Assistant Editor of the International OS-9 Underground

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82396 23-OCT 19:41 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82378)
     From: WOAY         To: BOISY

Don't hold your breath just yet on that, I'm going to get rz/sz working first.
But thanks for the tip. I haven't looked at mine in about 4 years, but I don't
seem to recall it was cpu speed sensitive. I also don't recall if I checked it
at 1.79 mhz either, so it could well be. However, if you see a new rzsz here and

then don't hear from me about it, tickle my mailbox with a 1/4 stick or so. Mine

does work, and the efforts I put into it at the time were in the line of
attempting to generate an accurate schematic so I could see what needed to be
done to get at least coco3 accuracy and ranges out of it. I may even have to
re-address that puppy now, I think I've got 4 bytes open between $FF40 and
$FF7F! 2 232 packs, one with an extra set of chips for the mouse, the
supercontroller II, and a WP-RS have eaten up most of the available I/O space
here.  Hang in there tho, I'll get to it eventually. Cheers, Gene

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82400 23-OCT 23:22 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82380)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ROYBUR

<grin>..IF I had one! maybe I could....or would have! Dennis

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82411 24-OCT 04:53 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82400)
     From: ROYBUR       To: COCOKIWI

 i DON'T believe it...something you don't have?!?! <G>
 seriously, i figgered that if anybody had done it, you'd be the one. 8*)
.....roy

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82511 27-OCT 22:50 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82371)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: BOISY

I have two xpads myself, never used. I would like to see the os9 driver for it.
Maybe it can have us some use.


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82512 27-OCT 22:52 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82378)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: BOISY

does anyone have a schematic for the x-pad? maybe its like the old disk
controllers and only needs faster chips.

Mike

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82519 28-OCT 01:21 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82511)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MIKE_GUZZI

 > I have two xpads myself, never used. I would like to see the os9 driver
 > for it.

Would you be interested in selling one?


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82573 30-OCT 09:08 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82519)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: JOELHEGBERG

Yes, they are untested, ahh, how could i test them first?


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82603 31-OCT 04:02 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82573)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MIKE_GUZZI

 > Yes, they are untested, ahh, how could i test them first?

They should have a BASIC program in the manual, if you have that.
If you don't have the manual, perhaps BOISY can post the memory
locations for the X- and Y- coordinate registers, plus the memory
location for the pen-control (pen-up/down, etc).
I would like to get one.



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82610 31-OCT 09:09 General Information
     RE: X-Pad under OS-9 (Re: Msg 82603)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: JOELHEGBERG

No I didn't get a manual with the X-pads, Please send me what the mem locations
are, I could simply write a basic09 program to read it.

Mike

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End of Thread.

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82373 22-OCT 20:23 General Information
     High speed access
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

I am looking for help using the high speed access via SprintNet or TymeNet. I
recently acquired a 14.4 Fax modem.   Sprint gave me an 800 #, which seems not
to work very well at the usual 8-n-1 settings, and about the same at the
recommended 7-E-1....   Is anyone here using this line?   Any help would be
appreciated!

            David

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82390 23-OCT 12:10 General Information
     RE: High speed access (Re: Msg 82373)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: NIMITZ

 > I am looking for help using the high speed access via SprintNet or
 > TymeNet. I recently acquired a 14.4 Fax modem.   Sprint gave me an 800 #,
 > which seems not
 > to work very well at the usual 8-n-1 settings, and about the same at the
 > recommended 7-E-1....   Is anyone here using this line?   Any help would
 > be appreciated!
 >

You're the second person I've heard of ahving problems using Sprintnet's 9600bps

lines. What brand of modem are you using?



*- Steve -*


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82392 23-OCT 14:15 General Information
     RE: High speed access (Re: Msg 82390)
     From: NIMITZ       To: SCWEGERT

It's a generic useing the Rockwell chip set.   No problems with IBM type boards
whatsoever.   No problem with direct logons at 2400 via Tymenet either. but I
think the problem is that Delphi won't accept the call. (It seems that the
Sprint 1-800 node then makes a collect call to your service, and Delphi doesn't
accept them.)   I finally got it clear by going to 7-O-1  (strange settings to
me).

              David

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82413 24-OCT 10:40 General Information
     RE: High speed access (Re: Msg 82373)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: NIMITZ

David,

 > I am looking for help using the high speed access via SprintNet or
 > TymeNet. I recently acquired a 14.4 Fax modem.   Sprint gave me an 800 #,
 > which seems not to work very well at the usual 8-n-1 settings, and about
 > the same at the recommended 7-E-1....   Is anyone here using this line?

Can you describe what happens when you try to connect?


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82425 24-OCT 21:56 General Information
     RE: High speed access (Re: Msg 82413)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark, I get a connect message from the modem, then scrambled text, then 'Srss c
nt  conncet

Then it just hangs up.   Suspect two problems.  1 is I need to set parity
differently, and/or stop bits.   2nd is, Delphi doesn't accept collect calls
from sprint....



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End of Thread.

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82374 22-OCT 23:01 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82310)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: BANANAMAN

You're correct.. AIX (IBM's port of UNIX) is shippping, but it also uses Power
Open, so will run any UNIX program (at least in theory!). A DOS emulator and
Windows emulator are slated for introduction also. Oh yes, the first chip will
ship as an 80MHz vers ion, NOT the 60MHz first reported by IBM/Motorola/Apple! A

last minute decision...

But don't expect prices to drop any time soon.. Big Blue and Apple will hold
them up for a while I'm sure!

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82375 22-OCT 23:03 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82312)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ILLUSIONIST

The Apples will be based on Power PC before long. Microware announced they WOULD

be supporting the PowerPC early this month.. Boisy mentioned that in another
message somewhere on here...

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82382 23-OCT 04:01 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82375)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: DSRTFOX

yes, but HOW will they support it is what I am wondering, will it be just a port

of "straight" OS-9000? or will VPC and possibly other emulators be ported as
well..I am just wondering if it will be in a real position equal to or maybe
even above PowerOPEN. OS-9000 will never have the apps that Unix,DOS,Windows and

the Mac have seperatly, let alone together. The best strategy would be to get at

least the more popular apps from each system running under OS-9000 (like with
DOS/Windows under VPC)..if OS-9000/PowerPC supported just DOS/Windows apps,
WELL, I would probably erase PowerOPEN from the HD..

                                                  -* Mike

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82388 23-OCT 10:00 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82382)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ILLUSIONIST

I would imagine they will port OS-9000 over, since it is all in C anyway. Simply

run the source through a compiler and have a "native mode" OS-9000... which
should run exceptionally FAST! You wouldn't NEED any emulators! Just run OS-9000

BESIDE any of the available PowerPC emulations....

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82402 23-OCT 23:54 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82388)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: DSRTFOX

hmmm, so what you are saying is that OS-9000 could be run along side of
PowerOPEN stuff? that would be great, what I was saying is, that like there is a

DOS emulator and the WABI, there could be an emulator for OS-9000, but if '9000
itself could be run, along with everything else, I would definatly fork over
$1000-$1500 for it..

                                                       -* Mike

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82407 24-OCT 01:24 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82374)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: DSRTFOX

Wow.  An 80 MHZ version.  Is it the 601 or is it one of the ones which were
supposed to be released later down the line?  I've pretty much made up my mind
about waiting to get a new computer until the PowerPC starts dropping in price.
My CoCo (2+2) isn't fast enough for my needs anymore, but in these changing
times, it isn't worth sinking $4K+ into a pentium. BTW, Where did you hear about

the 80MHZ version?  Do you have a contact at Moto or something?
  --Andy

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82421 24-OCT 21:33 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82407)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: BANANAMAN

The current 601 is 80MHz and is now shipping in sample quantities. I don't have
any contacts at Motorola (maybe I should be sending THEM copies of my magazine!!

). I'm an assistant system administrator (i.e.- the one who does all the
everyday work keeping t he sytem going, backups, running cables... anything the
administrator doesn't really want to do or isn't "worth his time" ;> ... the guy

I work for is really good ot work for/with though!!) for a USAF minicomputer. We

get sent a lot of trade magazines, one
 being PCWeekly, that has all this neat stuff in it. The mags are free, but only

companies and the gov't get it. I guess I could get a subscription sent to
FARNA, but they do check with advertisers periodicly to see who is actually
buying. Uncle rates bigm
 there, so his guys get them easy!

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82422 24-OCT 21:38 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82421)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ILLUSIONIST

With the current evaluation system, there is no reason OS-9000, since it is in
C, couldn't easily be ported to native PowerPC code. I'm not sure exactly how it

would run. One of the operating systems (PowerOpen, OS-9000, AIX, etc. ) would
have to be runnin g first, then launch the other in a window, I would imagine.
The only experience I have with multi operating systems on the same machine is
the CoCo.. DECB and OS-9, of course! It just seems to reason that SOMETHING has
to be in charge FIRST! Of course you
 could always re-boot from a different drive partition, which would be less
efficient than running one from a window of another (operating system, that is).

-*-

82431 24-OCT 23:52 General Information
     RE: welp (Re: Msg 82422)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: DSRTFOX

That is why I was saying there might have to be an emulator to run under say,
under PowerOPEN, and run the OS-9000 emulator, or maybe, Microware will devise a

way to run PowerOPEN under OS-9000. That would be best, BUT, consider this, how
would multi-tasking work? I mean, running DOS as a task is no big deal. But what

about unix, how would Unix multitask? would the Unix tasks grab full
time-slices, there by "cheating" os-9000, or just grab slices of Unix's time
slice (which would slow unix to a crawl, I bet) very trickey. I wouldnt want to
be the guy in charge of figuring that one out. :)

                                               -* Mike

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End of Thread.

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82377 23-OCT 00:10 New Uploads
     RE: BAWK (Re: Msg 82340)
     From: WOAY         To: JOELHEGBERG

Thats ok I guess, but I've got it and couldn't make it work either, it couldn't
make the directory trees. So like Br. Jeremy, I used lzh -xi. Worked great! Just

a comment for what its worth ($.02) Gene

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82384 23-OCT 04:09 General Information
     progra
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

can someone recommend a book on encryption technique. I would like to see
pseudo-code on en/decryption routines. C code if fine too, if that is what is
given in the book.

                                                         -* Mike

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82386 23-OCT 08:47 General Information
     RE: progra (Re: Msg 82384)
     From: EDELMAR      To: ILLUSIONIST


 Mike,

 There is an article on cryptography in the May 1992 issue of Dr.Dobbs'
 Journal.  Includes a bibliography.  You might want to start there.

 Ed

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82389 23-OCT 12:02 General Information
     RE: progra (Re: Msg 82384)
     From: JEJONES      To: ILLUSIONIST

 > can someone recommend a book on encryption technique. I would like to see
 > pseudo-code on en/decryption routines. C code if fine too, if that is what
 > is given in the book.

Though it doesn't have any source listings :-) and its age is starting to show
(nothing on LUCIFER, DES, public-key cryptosystems, etc.), the canonical
reference on classical cryptography is David Kahn's *The Codebreakers*. There's
a journal, *Cryptologia*, that would be worth your while.  I've seen a book in
the stores on encryption that might have some source code (I haven't looked
inside; guess I ought to).

Recently the government has at least tried to keep some folks, among which was
/is the Austin Code Works, so I presume source code was available, from
distributing a package called PGP, Pretty Good Privacy.  I believe it's a
public-key cryptosystem.  There *may* still be places where it can be found.

*** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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82401 23-OCT 23:51 General Information
     RE: progra (Re: Msg 82386)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: EDELMAR

thanks for the info, guess its time to hit the library periodical ref.
                                                         -* Mike

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End of Thread.

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82387 23-OCT 09:43 General Information
     Hard drive
     From: PLEESON      To: ALL

I have been having a bit of a problem and maybe someone can give me a hint on
how to handle it.  I have developed some bad sectors on  the hard drive altho I
don't believe they really are.  It may have something to do with the info I used

to set up my devi ce descriptor. step rate =7  cyl = 615  1st write 614  heads 6

no. of sectors/tr 32  Park 670 V=0 file seg  32 and interleave 22. I don't have
nitro and its a ST 138 hard drive.  I have had this problem with a 20 meg as
well altho the bad sectors were not in the same area.  Someone had suggested
that the 1st write was the problem but when I set it to 300 it only formated 1/2

the driv e.  Maybe someone can see something wrong and give me some help.  I
don't want to reformat untill I have got some idea what the problem is.  So far
I haven't had any problems other that when I check with dscan and found the bad
sectors.
 Thanks   Philip Leeson

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82394 23-OCT 15:48 System Modules (6809)
     Parallel Port
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: ALL

Does anyone know if any of the parallel ports available for the coco is
bidirectional?  There is a new product out for PC clones (portables mainly)
that is a Sound Blaster type sound board but hooks to a parallel port.  I'm not
sure if a bidirectional port is needed but I would think so. This seems like a
decent way to add quality sound to our cocos.
  I have seen the sound board in Computer Shopper and I also just got a catalog
from Tiger software and the have some info about it.  It is called the
Audioport.  It is billed as multimedia sound for your laptop.  It plugs into the

parallel port and gives microphone input, audio output via builtin speaker or
external amp/headphones, and multi-timbral FM sysnthesis. It also is AC/DC
powered.  It retails for around $70.
  Has anyone else seen this product?  I'm just fishing for ideas so lets hear
them!
 Thanks,
 Wayne

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82397 23-OCT 22:31 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82394)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: WTHOMPSON

CoNect (RICKULAND) sells an I/O board with all the hardware for a bi-_irectional

parallel port. You'd have to write a driver to make it communicate in both
directions though!!

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82405 24-OCT 00:17 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82394)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: WTHOMPSON

I saw that, I was thinking the same thing..be nice on a coco. there is a bi-dir
port, (well, WILL be) the CoCoIO (Conect) 2 serial ports, 1 bi-dir par. nice..If

drivers could be written for it, I am sure it would go over pretty good with
OS-9ers. If I had more info on it (other than, what it looks like and what it
does), and I had a C Compiler Ii would give a crack at writing a driver/desc.
set for it..alas, no info and no compiler for the coco.. :(. if you could get
ahold of more info in err, on it, I am sure someone could say if it is likely to

get written. BTW. A new CC3IO would be needed, to treat this new device as the
main audio out- (unless we kept the "real" coco audio, and just had external
programs access the high quality sound)

                                             -* Mike

would be better to re-write cc3io though, split it up, audio in one driver video

in another..with that kinda set up, external GFX boards could be added, get
input from the standard coco keyboard, output to the new gfx board..a split
cc3io would be SO much better.. :)

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82408 24-OCT 01:43 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82394)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: WTHOMPSON

Hi, Wayne.  Reading from my J&M floppy controller's manual, it indicates that
the data lines in the parallel port are bi-directional.  I'm not sure if that
means that the port will work as a bi-directional port or that just the data
lines are bi-directional.

  BTW, is DALTRUG meeting anymore?  That last letter from made it sound like we
were gonna have to wait 'till the PC and Mac guys got another deal worked out
with INFOMART.  Any news?
  --Andy

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82412 24-OCT 06:21 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82394)
     From: LMCCLURE     To: WTHOMPSON

Some PC's have output-only parallel ports, so I doubt the Audioport requires a
bi-directional parallel port. Many parallel-port devices for the PC that do both

input and output will configure themselves to work with either type.

So how do they do inp if the port is "output only". Well, actually, all PC
parallel ports have a few input lines...although in normal use they are used for

various inputs for handshaking, paper out warning, etc. Unless the CoCo parallel

port also had all these, you might run into problems writing software to utilize

items such as the Audioport.


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82417 24-OCT 15:46 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82405)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: ILLUSIONIST

I agree that a split cc3io would be best.  Also more info IS needed about this
thing before too much progress can be made.  If this Audioport is soundblaster
compatible there are TONS of sound files out in the MSDOS world and it seems
like a program could be written to have the coco play these files through the
Audioport.  Kinda like the MIDI programs.  In fact this thing could be kind of a

step in between the coco and full MIDI sound and have the potential to be more
useful than MIDI (ie. w/split cc3io).
 Thanks,
 Wayne

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82418 24-OCT 15:49 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82408)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: BANANAMAN

Yes, we are still meeting.  We had one Oct. 9.  I haven't been getting my
newsletter and I didn't know about the last meeting 'til David Wordell called me

the night before.  The CCD is no more.  The PC and MAC groups have formed DFW
Exchange INC. and the meeting will continue as before.  I am not sure when the
next meeting is but I'll be there!
 Thanks,
 Wayne

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82419 24-OCT 15:56 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82412)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: LMCCLURE

I'm hoping to contact the manufacturer for some information about the Audioport.

I want to know if this thing could maybe an intermediate step to MIDI, maybe
even a little cheaper too.
 Thanks,
 Wayne

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82420 24-OCT 18:47 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82419)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WTHOMPSON

I would be very interested in any information you could provide on this audio
device.
    Randy

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82423 24-OCT 21:45 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82405)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ILLUSIONIST

Get in touch with RICKULAND here and tell HIM you would be willing to try
writing a bi-directional driver for the CCIO, and you can probably get all the
info on it you could hope for!

And on waiting for Power PC prices to drop... I hope you don't plan on buying
another computer for 3-4 years! Unless these things get really competitive with
Intel's Pentium and a price war ensues, I don't think they will be very low for
a while. Probably in the superfast 486 and Pentium machine range, though they
can theoretically be built cheaper than Pentium machines due to lower pricing.
Builders will use the high Pentium prices to get more profit, at least at first.

Only if sales aren't what they7d lik 'd like will they exploit there lower
initial cost by dropping prices below Pentium machines. I'm like you in a way, I

think the market is ripe for a multi operating system machine, one that runs the

three main OSs out there... DOS, Windows, and System 7 ( Mac)... all on the same

hardware with respectable performance. Just think how Level II would run on a
6809 emulator running on a 80MHz PC601 box....

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82428 24-OCT 23:22 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82423)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DSRTFOX

Frank, since I wrote the drivers for the Conect CoCoIO board, let me make a semi

official statement here. After much thinking on the matter, Rick and I could not

come up with a single application for a "generic" bi-directional parallel port
driver. Indeed, with the speed potential of the serial ports, we felt that the
only use for the para port was as a printer port. However, I have made it clear
to Rick that if a useful application developed that required a speciallized
bi-directional driver, I would write it. This sound card appears to have just
that potential. I'm awaiting more information.


   Randy

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82430 24-OCT 23:41 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82417)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: WTHOMPSON

depending on how the soundblaster files are implemented, a list xxx > /snd (if
/snd is the descriptor for the audioport) could be done..maybe a special "list"
command would be needed, merge xx > /snd or copy xxx /snd might work
too..depending again, on how the files were implemented, I think there is a set
of drivers to just list a file to the speech sound pak and the file will be
"read aloud". pretty neat..

                                                        -* Mike

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82433 25-OCT 00:00 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82420)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: RANDYKWILSON

Yeah, I just thought of something, if a driver was written for the audio port
thing, maybe some buffering memory between the coco and it, we could actually be

able to play music on a coco without everything completly stopping what a
thought!!! :)

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82434 25-OCT 00:19 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82433)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: ILLUSIONIST

Yeah Mike, I already considered that. The 16553 has a 16 byte FIFO on the para
port, too. However, this could cause a problem if exact send timing is needed.
Like I told Frank, we'll see what's what after more detail info is available.

  Randy

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82436 25-OCT 02:14 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82434)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: RANDYKWILSON

Do you think "standard" OS-9 audio could be made to play through this port? I
mean, how easy do you think it would be to let a "display 7" to play over the
port? or get game audio played through? Some sorta "conversion" would have to be

made, I think, might not be worth it. Just have the "new" apps use the stereo
port, like a .MOD file player.

Either way, a driver like that would be great! Gives me a good reasion to get 2
CoCoIOs, serial mouse, 2 terminals, modem, printer and audioport!

I will also see what I can turn up on this audioport..

                                                          -* Mike

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82444 25-OCT 18:12 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82423)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: DSRTFOX

I think the Powerpc is currently priced at half the Pentium price. <Phil>

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82446 25-OCT 19:14 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82418)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: WTHOMPSON

Shoot.  I haven't made it to the last two meetings 'cause I didn't know when
they were.  I guess I should be calling the BBS every friday just to bug Dave
about it, eh?
  --Andy

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82447 25-OCT 19:23 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82423)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: DSRTFOX

On those PowerPC prices, It's not just the Pentium machines they'll be in
competition with.  There'll be each other, too.  Apple will probably be the next

mfr. to get one out, but as soon as Compaq or Northgate get one built, look out.

At least, I hope it'll go that way.  I _really_ don't want to have to settle on
a 486 or pentium with all these new possibilities out there.  I wonder which
machines uWare will support first.  IBM or Apple. I heard Apple machines will
still use the NuBus architecture, so at least the drivers will have to be
different.
  --Andy

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82449 25-OCT 20:26 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82444)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: PHILSCHERER

Right, but that's just the price of the chip itself to manufacturers in lots of
1000. The machines will be priced relative to value and performance. Since they
perform equal or better than a Pentium, vendors will price them that high at
least at first. The y'll just make a little more on them!!

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82501 27-OCT 18:37 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82447)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: BANANAMAN

Hi Andy--I hear that MWare is supporting Powerpc! <Phil>

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82513 27-OCT 22:57 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82394)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: WTHOMPSON

a PIA is bidirectional but not at the same time. They have to be programmed for
input or output.


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82543 29-OCT 00:00 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82513)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MIKE_GUZZI

it can be if one programs it one port in,the other out!<grin> dennis

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82550 29-OCT 06:40 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82430)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: ILLUSIONIST

That is pretty much the type of implementation I was considering.

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82551 29-OCT 06:42 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82446)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: BANANAMAN

Yes, that is what I have been doing. :-)  There is a # you can call that will
give a recorded message about the scheduling.  I will get it to somehow.
 Wayne


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82574 30-OCT 09:09 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82543)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: COCOKIWI

If you only need 8 bits, a single PIA would do the trick since it has 2 ports.


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82607 31-OCT 04:20 System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82574)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MIKE_GUZZI

THAT!is what I was saying<grin>...I have not seen a 16 bit Par port YET ???
Dennis

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82667 2-NOV 01:42  System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82447)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: BANANAMAN

Andy, Talking about Apple, etc made me think of how much lower the Apple prices
have come recently.  I was looking at a Apple LCIII last Sunday in a local store

(just curious) and I was thinking ...." I wonder how much the ROMS in this thing

would sell for?  I could buy this thing, a 25 MHz 68030, sell the ROMS, port
OSk, and have a nice machine.  The computer was $969 complete with a color
monitor."  Of course, Gwindows, and OSk would add back some $$.  I wonder if the

Apple hardware architecture is wierd like the Amiga?

Allen

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82668 2-NOV 01:48  System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82667)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: AJMLFCO

there is already a port of OS-9 to the mac, I believe FHL sells it..

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82669 2-NOV 02:30  System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82668)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: ILLUSIONIST

yea, but I want to sell the MAC ROMs and have a all OSK machine.

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82682 2-NOV 22:59  System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82667)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: AJMLFCO

What I know about Apples wouldn't even fill my dumb cat's head, but I do know
that they use a bus architecture called NuBus.  I'm sure it's smarter than ISA,
though.  Knowing Apple, it probably has some very interesting features that
noone but Apple knows about.  I would worry about device drivers and such,
though.  Oh, yea.  I think the older Mac's had a problem with hardware
handshaking on the RS232 ports.  Not sure if the newer ones do.
  --Andy

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82683 2-NOV 23:19  System Modules (6809)
     RE: Parallel Port (Re: Msg 82669)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: AJMLFCO

Ahhh, I see, I would leave the Mac ROMs in though, just so I could run Mac apps
too (since OSk/Mac can run Mac OS apps)

-*-

End of Thread.

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82395 23-OCT 19:31 General Information
     X-Pad under OS-9
     From: KSCALES      To: BOISY

Hi, Boisy -

Woops!  I started a line in my previous message with "/w2", so it got eaten by
Delphi.  Gotta remember not to start a line with a "/".

Anyways, the message regarding my CC3Disk clock toggling should have read:

"The only glitch I ran into is when I installed the DISTO 1-Meg upgrade,
 /w2 would display some very impressive text frolics.  This was strictly a
 cosmetic thing, though (due to the timing) -- never any problems resulting
 from this."

Oh, BTW, when disk activity stopped, /w was restored to normal.

Regards... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
         ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **

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82406 24-OCT 00:54 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 81434)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: JOHNREED

Hmmm.... I don't currently have a "psfonts.map" file on my system, but it's
possible that I had it when I formatted the test file and somehow removed it
later on.  I'll see what's up and maybe add a "psfonts.map" file to that group
sometime soon.
    Thanks for pointing out the problem.  Dvips is really nice, and even nicer
when you start playing with printers at different resolutions (like the fax
stuff I'm getting ready to upload). Yeah, MetaFont is a frightfully slow way to
create fonts, but at least you only have to do it once!  DviPS runs pretty fast
after the fonts are built.

     BTW, if you're interested, I think I've figured out why TeX takes so long
to start up.  When I compiled it, I set up defaults for the TEXINPUTS_SUBDIR and

TEXFONTS_SUBDIR paths. TEXINPUTS_SUBDIR is an environment variable which TeX
uses to set up it's search paths.  It expands each directory in TEXINPUTS_SUBDIR

into a list of all subdirectories of the named directories.  In the version I
uploaded, TEXINPUTS_SUBDIR defaults to /dd/sys/tex/inputs, and TEXFONTS_SUBDIR
defaults to /dd/sys/tex/fonts.  If you define those two environment variables to

empty, and define TEXINPUTS and TEXFONTS to a colon-separated list of the actual

directories, it should start up faster, since the code to generate the
subdirectories is really slow.

Tim Kientzle

P.S.  Did you compile in the DigiFax driver in the new GhostScript upload?

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82415 24-OCT 11:46 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82406)
     From: JOHNREED     To: TIMKIENTZLE

Thanks for the DVIPS info.  On the new Ghostsctipt upload, I THINK I put every
driver that I could compile into the uploaded version -- I know I tried both the

FAX drivers in the source and they compiled and seemed to work -- but my MSDOS
FAX programs did not recognize the file format.  My MM/1 is temporarily out of
service, so I can't check on it right now.

John Wainwright

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82416 24-OCT 13:19 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82415)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNREED

BTW, I couldn't get the compiled in C.Itoh 8510 drivers to work properly. Seems
that the driver is using the wrong coded for going into graphics mode.
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

-*-

82448 25-OCT 20:14 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82416)
     From: JOHNREED     To: MITHELEN

Nuts! .. Sorry about that -- one of the dangers of uploading stuff that I am not

able to test.  I think I put all the driver sources in one archive ... if you
want to take a shot at it.  One of the things I did in de-bugging some drivers
was to operate on the output file with "beav" (it does global changes to a
binary file) - if you can tell me which codes to change, I'll do it.

John Wainwright

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82459 26-OCT 00:46 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82448)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNREED

I plan to re-hack the driver one of these days, after I get a new hard drive...
I do have a functioning dvi-citoh-8510 driver working, which If you want me to
send you that to look at, I'd be happy to... It actaully does pretty decent
output...

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82468 26-OCT 07:02 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82415)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: JOHNREED

John,

 > Thanks for the DVIPS info.  On the new Ghostsctipt upload, I THINK I put
 > every driver that I could compile into the uploaded version -- I know I
 > tried both the FAX drivers in the source and they compiled and seemed to
 > work -- but my MSDOS FAX programs did not recognize the file format.  My
 > MM/1 is temporarily out of service, so I can't check on it right now.

I got a copy from you at the Fest, and I can't get anything to work correctly.
The screen driver does nothing but show a window and then when you exit it, it
locks the whole machine.  I also couldn't get it to convert a file by specifying

an output device and then a file to write to.  I forget what happened, but I
think I cane up with a memory error.

Is there some voodoo trick to get this to work?  Perhaps I'm dumber than I
thought.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82469 26-OCT 07:04 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82415)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: JOHNREED

John,

 > Thanks for the DVIPS info.  On the new Ghostsctipt upload, I THINK I put
 > every driver that I could compile into the uploaded version -- I know I
 > tried both the FAX drivers in the source and they compiled and seemed to
 > work -- but my MSDOS FAX programs did not recognize the file format.  My
 > MM/1 is temporarily out of service, so I can't check on it right now.

I got a copy from you at the Fest, and I can't get anything to work correctly.
The screen driver does nothing but show a window and then when you exit it, it
locks the whole machine.  I also couldn't get it to convert a file by specifying

an output device and then a file to write to.  I forget what happened, but I
think I cane up with a memory error.

Is there some voodoo trick to get this to work?  Perhaps I'm dumber than I
thought.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82475 26-OCT 20:15 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82468)
     From: JOHNREED     To: MARKGRIFFITH

On running Ghostscript -- back on the original window you started it from (not
the display window it opens) does it guve you any error messages? If it can/t
find what it wants, it generally complains. Also beware - running the tiger.ps
or golfer.ps demo with the default kwindows driver and kwindows ver 48 is a
guaranteed crash. For the graphics demos either put -sDEVICE=kwlo in the command

line, or boot with kwindows ver 38.  It does use a lot of memory - watch what
else is running. Oh Yeah, if you had a previous version running -- note that the

init files are different for version 2.6.1 - it will grouch at you if it finds
the old "gs_init.ps", but the other files might confuse it.

John Wainwright

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82484 26-OCT 23:50 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82468)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark.. .I know the K-Windows driver works, I had it running in the OS-9 Users
Group Booth on my System, displaying the Cat's Meow 2 Cover page (Cool picture
of a Cat holding a beer/mug in his hand [CoCo Cat after he was pink slipped by
Rainbow 8-)] So.. I know it works... I don't have GhostsScript on my system
right now... do to insufficient HD space after my big hard drive crashed, so I
can't tell you off hand what the command line options I used were... (BTW, this
was with Windio #48 on a 3meg system)

BTW, If anyone want the postscript file of the aboved mentioned cover page, I'd
be happy to send it to ya... It is um.. about 60K in lha format... about 900K
extracted!
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

-*-

82527 28-OCT 06:32 OSK Applications
     RE: dvips and Ghostscript (Re: Msg 82475)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: JOHNREED

John,

Thanks for the tips on GS.  I'll look into this and report back if I have any
more problems.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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End of Thread.

-*-

82409 24-OCT 01:59 Applications (6809)
     Helper wanted to prepare Colorful Sled E
     From: SFISCHER     To: ALL


  Helper wanted to prepare Colorful Sled ED6 for Delphi.

I have realized that I will not have the time to prepare the doc's for my
version of SLED due to other commitments for quite some time. So that it will be

available sooner, I am asking for someone to accept the parts, send out copies
for beta testing and prepare the docs and the distribution package. I will fix
if I can any catastrophic bugs of course.

Colorful Sled ED6 has been unchanged since a minor bug fix done in February
1991. Most of the bugs in the original version, which was pulled from this data
base, have been fixed and new features added.

Some of the new features include easy full screen editing and running Basic09
programs, 105 columns possible on graphics screens, macros (No Load/Save) and
selected text lines to be moved/deleted/written out are displayed in a different

color.

Other than starting from similar original programs, this version has no relation

to other versions in this forum.

If you are willing to help, please sent me a message.

I may be slow to reply so don't worry if I don't respond quickly. All I can say
is that sometime within each month I will use my 4 hours.

        Thanks  Stephen Fischer

-*-

82587 30-OCT 17:06 Applications (6809)
     RE: Helper wanted to prepare Colorful Sl (Re: Msg 82409)
     From: SFISCHER     To: ALL


Thanks to all, I have received an offer of help from CLYDE and will be sending
him the materials soon.

Any one who also wants to help should reply to his request when beta testers are

requested.   Thanks SFISCHER

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End of Thread.

-*-

82410 24-OCT 02:43 Programmers Den
     sound off
     From: EARTHER      To: MIKE_GUZZI

    I took at look at the source for soundoff and stuck that code in the
 play program I'm using and everything works great now.  Thanks!

-*-

82510 27-OCT 22:49 Programmers Den
     RE: sound off (Re: Msg 82410)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: EARTHER

ah good, they must have placed the file for dload fast.


-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82424 24-OCT 21:47 Applications (6809)
     Shell Plus
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

I'm only now getting into some of the better features of OS-9. I downloaded
Shell+ and I want to install it, but I don't fully understand the instructions.
Can someone out there give me a hand? I unpacked the file but the documents
don't mention most of the files. The module save is a mystery to me. The only
copy of save I have was a B09 program supplied with Tools3. Shell+ would really
make my life easier, so if you are familiar with it please drop me a note.
Thanks.

-Mike

-*-

82426 24-OCT 21:59 Applications (6809)
     RE: Shell Plus (Re: Msg 82424)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MROWEN01

I'm not that familiar with installing Shell+, but use it all the time. But I
installed it myself, or rather the CoCo did it itself. Yes, this is a product
plug, I'm sorry!! I sell a disk set with all the major patches, including Shell
+, for $7.50 +$2.50 S& H.. throw in a desktop quick reference for OS-9 for $12
+$2.50. Anyway, the program auto installs all the patches provided you have a
512K system with a minimum of two 40T/DS drives. 80 track 3.5 or 5.25 drives are

fine, as long as you can copy the 40T/DS disks to them. If you have only one
40T/DS drive, you can set a I'll make up a patched disk for you, but I need a
full description of your system, as some of the patches work with real-time
clocks, the MPI, etc. The program asks if you have these, also Multi-Vue. You
then edit the boot list and OS9GEN a new bootdisk fr om the patched disk. I'll
send you the two disk set plus the patched disk for $2 more to cover the extra
disk and a buck for the time. I will need a copy of your OS-9 and Multi-Vue
disks to verify you own Level II... but not the originals. All I want to do
 is verify you have the program, where you got it is none of my immediate
concern (in my opinion).

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82445 25-OCT 18:27 Applications (6809)
     RE: Shell Plus (Re: Msg 82424)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: MROWEN01

Hi Mike--I think one way would be to get modbuster or a similar program here on
the database. Then use it to explode the shell file you now have on your boot
disk. Then delete the shell module that comes out of the exploded file and then
merge shell+ with all the other files that are left. The command would be
something like--merge shell dir copy etc. etc.> shellfile. Then delete shell.
Then rename shellfile shell. Then attr shell e w r. This creates an executable
shell. Then delete the shell in your CMDS directory on your boot disk. Then copy

the new shell into the CMDS on your boot disk. BTW before you do any of this,
backup your boot disk. If you have any problems, get back to us. <Phil>

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End of Thread.

-*-

82427 24-OCT 22:23 Telecom (6809)
     Supercom 2.2
     From: CLAUDECOTE   To: ALL

Please help me. I try to make Supercom 2.2 to works and it refuses. When I get
an answer, all I obtain is a serie of word and cannot place a single operation.
For example:  want to log to DELPHI. Ask for anythong but when I make O s, It
send and receive only Username  error username and so forth, and the message to
call delphi as no username is good and hang up. Any solution to this? Thank you
for your help. Claude Cote

-*-

82435 25-OCT 00:41 General Information
     2MHz Mania
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

Ok gents, I got another piece of hrardware that doesn7t work under 2MHz, and I
*know* there's a fix for it.  Can someone help me?

It's a Speech Systems Super Voice speech pak.  Anybody?

-*-

82437 25-OCT 02:16 General Information
     RE: 2MHz Mania (Re: Msg 82435)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: BOISY

I local coco user has that pak, I think he uses it under OS-9, I will ask him
how he does it..

                                        -* Mike

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82439 25-OCT 02:27 General Information
     RE: 2MHz Mania (Re: Msg 82437)
     From: MITHELEN     To: BOISY

Hmm.. I'm almost 99.99% sure that there is a text file in the OS-9 database (
Probably System Modules) that tells how to "fix" the SSP for 2mhz. If you can't
find it... give me a holler next time you are on and I'll look (too tired right
now)
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

-*-

82463 26-OCT 01:31 General Information
     RE: 2MHz Mania (Re: Msg 82435)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: BOISY

it was prob setup much the same as the RS sound/speech pak! if they used the SSI

256 I think there is a divide X 2....switch on the chip....a pin on it selects
which mode...895  or 1.7 meg..... let me look up the specs...Hmmm!here it
is...the SSI 263<not 256><grin>.. this one is a 24 pin....look at pin 23  <DIV2>

if it is connected to 24 then it is set to 1meg<cure> slice the trace!<make sure

it is open>put a switch SPST...centre to pin 23..  one to + the other to -  OK!
Now it will work BOTH ways!<grin>... The RS unit used a 7486 to gate the E and Q

clock together giving a 2 meg output,it DOUBLED the speed so the thing would
work.the chips in it needed
 2 meg..... I have Data on this chip,I was playing with it BEFORE speech
 systems got their hands on it.....<grin>

 Dennis

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End of Thread.

-*-

82438 25-OCT 02:23 Programmers Den
     Basics
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

Can someone tell me a source for TRUE Basic and ANSI Basic standard language
syntax? I want to write a collection of subroutines to do what ANSI and TRUE
Basic does (I KNOW there must be some differences between them and Basic09,
otherwise Mware would let use know that Basic09 was ANSI compat.) I looked
around Internet, but couldnt find anything on the specs for these Basics, if I
cant find one, I will write a Quickbasic set first, since any computer book
store has a book describing Quickbasic Syntax.

                                                        -* Mike

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82440 25-OCT 14:18 General Information
     Shell+
     From: MROWEN01     To: DSRTFOX


I guess I'll order your self installing patches. Before I do though, can you
tell me if there are any dependancies of the save command? I have a 512k Coco3
with OS/9 level II, 1 5.25" 40trk drive and two 3.5" 80trk drives. I do NOT have

any of the utilities that seem only to be supplied with the development package.

I forgot to mention that I do have a 20MB hard drive as well.

BTW: You recently rushed me my first copy of "The world of '68 Micros". It's
great to see something in print about the Color Computer. Keep up the good
work.I hope it continues to grow.

I have another question that you might be able to help me with. I would like a
spell checker for OS/9. I haven't been able to locate one public domain or
otherwise. Do you know where I might be able to obtain a spell checker?

-Mike

-*-

82443 25-OCT 18:11 General Information
     RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 82440)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MROWEN01

There is a spell checker, with dictionary file in the database... It is part of
the OS-9 User Group files.
--
--
Paul Jerkatis
Assistant OS-9 Database Manager

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82450 25-OCT 20:34 General Information
     RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 82440)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MROWEN01

I'm not sure what you mean about the SAVE command. There is a new SAVE in the
package though. As long as the 40T drive is double sided, you should have no
problems. When you copy to the 80 tracks, just copy each of the 5.25" disks to
its own 3.5 to avoid a ny confusion!

The only spell-checker that immediately comes to mind is Tandy's T/S Spell.
RICKULAND (here) may have a copy on hand. I think there was one for DynaStar
called DynaSpell, but I don't think it iit is still available.

-*-

82452 25-OCT 22:02 General Information
     RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 82440)
     From: ISC          To: MROWEN01

Mike,

TS/Spell from Tandy may still be available from Tandy also.  The direct order
line is (800) 433-2024.  Who knows what the price will be today?

However, RICKULAND (here) does not have it in his catalog, but is the most
likely source for it on the CoCo SIG.

Bill

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82457 25-OCT 23:47 General Information
     RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 82443)
     From: MROWEN01     To: MITHELEN

Thanks for the tip on the spell checker. I downloaded it and I'll try using it
tonight. Thanks.

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82515 27-OCT 23:53 General Information
     RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 82440)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: MROWEN01

I have a spare copy of ts/spell and with the modifications for it done in PD its

a great system

Mike

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82441 25-OCT 14:31 General Information
     Your Review...
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COLORSYSTEMS

of the 68340 upgrade for the MM1 was so detailed and informative that I thought
it best to post a copy of it in the General section of the OS9 data base, so
others later could more easily find it and refer to it.   I would imagine you
don't mind.   I credited you, of course, as its author.
  ---marty

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82453 25-OCT 22:14 Programmers Den
     Basic09 Subroutines
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

I am working on another set of subroutines (3rd set, the 2nd is waiting to be
validated) The first is in the new uploads, anyway, I am running out of ideas!
the ANNEX QuickBasic subroutines gave me the ideas for most in the secord
archive (Oct and Dec were written by JOELHEGBERG, I just made them into usable
subroutines) anyway, I need ideas! Anyone know of a subroutine for other BASICs
(or any lanuage actually) that isnt available for Basic09? I will consider doing

gfx stuff too, although I will probably release all gfx together in one archive.

Any ideas? (please help, I am desperate!) :)
Btw, I have pascal source for DES encryption, anyone want it?
                      -* Mike

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82455 25-OCT 22:30 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82453)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

I guess I woul lean towards the graphics stuff.  But then I would be working on
Visual Basic if I had the time to port over some ideas.  This is what I was
trying to do along with Shawn Driscoll (Earther) on the GuiB series. The GFX5
upload is another set of ideas.

With all best wishes, Brother Jeremy, CSJW

-*-

82458 25-OCT 23:55 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82453)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

 > secord archive (Oct and Dec were written by JOELHEGBERG, I just made them
 > into usable subroutines) anyway, I need ideas!

Glad you got those working!



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


-*-

82460 26-OCT 01:22 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82455)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: REVWCP

Yeah, I started some nice gfx routines tonight, I am not going as "in-depth" as
GuiB or GFX5, I am doing more of almost animation "tricks", like having a box
"zoom" from "out of nowhere" up to the user, and then, when the box is done
drawing, (true BOX, not a filled in BLOCK) it returns the x/y char pos, and
cols/rows to set up an overlay in, pretty neat way to do "pop up" windows (Zoom
up??) I am trying to think of other things to do, I will REALLY work on the Gfx
stuff after I get a set of ANSI Basic subroutines finished, I really want to try

and bridge the gap a little between ANSI Basic and Basic09 (from what I have
heard, ANSI Basic give REALLY powerful string manipulation). I also have the DES

(Data Encryption Standard) algorithims in Pascal, I might work in getting it
working under B09.

                    -* Mike

-*-

82461 26-OCT 01:24 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82458)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JOELHEGBERG

:), Yeah, I just added in the param lines and made them into real subroutines
.you did all the work.. :) thanks..


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82464 26-OCT 04:06 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82460)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

 > box "zoom" from "out of nowhere" up to the user, and then, when the box is
 > done drawing, (true BOX, not a filled in BLOCK) it returns the x/y char
 > pos, and cols/rows to set up an overlay in, pretty neat way to do "pop up"
 > windows (Zoom up??)

You mean kinda like the Mac does?  I did that in one of my MM/1 programs
and it worked out fantastic... it is a really nice effect.  I'm assuming
you're using XOR logic to draw the BOXes on the screen and then
redrawing them so they are erased?  If you'd like to see my source code,
I'll send it to you email.


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


-*-

82470 26-OCT 07:26 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82460)
     From: NIMITZ       To: ILLUSIONIST

I'm working on a set of GFX2 workalike subroutines.  This in connection with
porting IndiPWB....

        David

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82473 26-OCT 08:21 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82460)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

That sounds great Mike.
    --Br. Jeremy

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82489 27-OCT 01:26 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82464)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JOELHEGBERG

Yup, just like the Mac does, I would love to take a look at the code, maybe I
can get a little faster on the coco, and yes, I used XOR to help draw the
boxes..

   ...thanks
                                        -* Mike

-*-

82493 27-OCT 02:16 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82460)
     From: EARTHER      To: ILLUSIONIST

ANSI BASIC?!  What year did the ANSI council define BASIC?  There is ANSI
FORTRAN, ANSI COBOL, ANSI C, ANSI FORTH, ISO PASCAL.  I don't know about ADA,
PROLOG, LISP, PL/1, RPG III, APL, ALGOL, SNOBOL, etc.  And I didn't know about
an ANSI BASIC.  Interesting...  :/

-*-

82494 27-OCT 04:37 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82493)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: EARTHER

I forget the exact year, it was '86-'87ish, I read a book on advanced BASIC (
structured) routines, it mentioned ANSI Basic, in fact the line was something
like this: "This book conforms to the ANSI Basic standard (didnt know there was
an ANSI specification for BASIC did you?)."...in a book I read on TRUE Basic,
the introduction said that future versions on True Basic (this was an OLD book)
would conform to the ANSI standard, which was then just being finshished up, I
guess, the (c) on the book was '86. I can check all this out for ya if you want,

I might even be able to get the document # for the ANSI specs (which would be
good, since not to many people know of ANSI basic. and since I want to write
ANSI subroutines....)

            -* MIke

-*-

82505 27-OCT 20:55 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82464)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG

I wrote a routine which does this, but it achives the result by simply doing
successively larger and larger OWSets. To make them (and the accompaning OWEnds)

as fast as possible, I did a GetBlk on the entire area of the largest Overlay
Window to restore the screen when the final Overlay window is closed, and turn
the SAVE switch off in the OWSets.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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82520 28-OCT 01:21 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82505)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: COLORSYSTEMS

 > I wrote a routine which does this, but it achives the result by simply
 > doing successively larger and larger OWSets. To make them (and the
 > accompaning OWEnds) as fast as possible, I did a GetBlk on the entire area
 > of the largest Overlay Window to restore the screen when the final Overlay
 > window is closed, and turn the SAVE switch off in the OWSets.

Nice idea on using OWSET and GETBLK to restore the screen, Zack!
It was great to see you in Atlanta, but alas we didn't get to chat
much... for some reason it was a little hectic for me down there, but
had a great time.  Did you get to go to the Stone Mountain laser light
show any of the past few years?  I _finally_ got to go this time around
(after I missed it that past 3 years) and it was an amazing thing to
see.  Talk with ya later...



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82540 28-OCT 22:34 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82520)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG

Actually, I haven't had the chance to go see the show since going to Atlanta
shows. I really need to, I hear it is quite impressive.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


-*-

82541 28-OCT 22:35 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82453)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ILLUSIONIST

think we could use an easy way to convert between hexidecimal and decimal. Never

could figure an easy way with BASIC09 or BASIC 68k.
  --TedJaeger

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82547 29-OCT 02:19 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82541)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: TEDJAEGER

Ok! Thanks, I will get right on it, shouldnt be to hard actually..will add it in

as part of the 3rd archive of basic subroutines. It should work fine with basic
68k as well, actually all my subroutines should. So far, the 3rd archive
contains "usable" versions of popular sort routines (I have done
bubble,ripple,shell and insertion sorts) Shell sort SHOULD be the fastest, but
it isnt, even on large arrays..I dont know why, I even found actual basic source

in an old book in the colleges library, typed it in EXACT, but changed "dim's"
to params and ran it, still slower..the book said that SHELL sort was faster
than bubble, but I havent been able to get it to work..so I might not include
shell sort, until I can get it to work (as it SHOULD) or someone tells me that
shell sort isnt fastest.. my results are like this:

(all ran on the same array)

bubble: 14 secs
ripple: 14 secs
shell : 53 secs
insertion : 3.2

So, I have mostly been working with insertion (obviously :) )

nks..

                                                        -* Mike

-*-

82588 30-OCT 17:49 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82547)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ILLUSIONIST

Great, Im enjoying these subroutines. I want to write a couple myself! Got in
mind an intelligent entry routine that can be called and instructed to accept
only a certain range of characters and have preestablished characters at certain

positions in the entry string. For example a five byte string where user is
entering time and third charater has to be a colon.
 --Cheers,
  --TEdJaeger

-*-

82599 30-OCT 23:53 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82588)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: TEDJAEGER

Neat! I decided to write them mostly because of the truely PATHETIC amount of
subroutines for Basic09, although, at this point, I think it is filling up
rather quickly. I want to get at least 30 or so more out there, before sitting
back and using em for anything serious :). 1 thing I am going to do is start
writing some apps for terminals. I dont mean routines to control terminals, I
mean actual programs. I hope someone out there with a C compiler will eventually

modify the uEmacs programs we have for the coco to use the "termset" file by
Microware, or termcap. either 1 is fine. I hate hardcoded controls! A patch to
dynacalc to use a command line option for the coco or another terminal (since we

have a vt100 .trm file!) that would be nice. To bad I dont do asm. :(. We have
Scred for terminals, so I am not going to bother with an editor just yet. we
have Dynacalc so a spread sheet isnt needed. Maybe I will mess with a text based

"gui" for terminals. Actually, it would just be a REALLY advanced menuing
system. Just for kicks once I wrote a program that tested the current mouse pos
and displayed the TERMINALs cursor in relation to the mouse. It was pretty neat.

Just like doing for the coco really. Just use vt100 "curxy" codes rather than
coco. But that kinda defeated the e coco and terminal) I just used the left
joystick port for the terminals mouse, and the right port for the coco. I had
true "ss.mouse" calls go to the right port, and used simple "joystk" calls from
gfx to get the left port for the terminal. It was more of a novelty than
anything. I never wrote any apps to really take advantage of it. But the
capability is there!!

                                                              -* Mike

-*-

82618 31-OCT 18:41 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82599)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ILLUSIONIST

Keep it up. I worked on some of my intelligent input routine today and got it
going. As of now a user passes the allowable characters in a string and a dummy
value for the input string that includes blanks and any fixed characters that
the input routine should skip. Need to expand it to handle chr$(8). Want a
contribution to your collection of BASIC09 subs?
 --Bests,
  --TedJAeger

-*-

82621 31-OCT 20:36 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82618)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: TEDJAEGER

:) Sure! If you could send the source and a quick .doc file on its use I will
include it in the next archive..

                                                   -* Mike

-*-

82643 1-NOV 20:20  Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82621)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ILLUSIONIST

Be glad too. Take me about a week to get it together!
 --Cheers,
   TedJaeger

-*-

82655 1-NOV 22:47  Programmers Den
     RE: Basic09 Subroutines (Re: Msg 82643)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: TEDJAEGER

Ok! If you have any other little routines around, you can throw them in too I
just finished up the last routine I am going to do for awhile, I want to finish
up my TermUI program, then I will write a few more routines..

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82454 25-OCT 22:26 General Information
     Old Monk, New Toys
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear friends: I picked up some new toys...A Wyse WY-50 terminal and a Universal
Data Systems Modem made by Motorola  In addition to the normal Led's for OH/RI
TR CD RD RD and RS it has a rotary switch.  The positions are labeled Test Rec
XMIT DATA
 TALK ST and AL.  It is a Model 201C and the date code is 8513 so I guess it was

made in 1985?  Any one have any info on these for me?

With all best wishes,

Brother Jeremy, CSJW


-*-

82462 26-OCT 01:26 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82454)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: REVWCP

Well, the WYSE 50 is a pretty standard terminal, I can probably dig up a full
TERMCAP entry for it, if you have need for one..

                                                      -* Mike

-*-

82474 26-OCT 08:22 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82462)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

Please do.  Thank you, Br. Jeremy

-*-

82477 26-OCT 20:36 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82474)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: REVWCP

The modem you have is probably a point-to-point modem, not a dial-up model. In
order to use it you have to have a dedicated phone line between a pair of them.
We use similar modems around here on the mini-computer I'm assistant
adminstrator on. Will check the model number with a couple of ours to make sure.

If it has a SIX WIRE phone jack instead of a FOUR WIRE, it most likely is though

(a point-to-point).

-*-

82480 26-OCT 21:29 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82477)
     From: REVWCP       To: DSRTFOX

Frank, It has the six wire telco connector.  The rs-232 port is labeled DTE. --
Jeremy

-*-

82496 27-OCT 06:31 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82454)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: REVWCP

 > Dear friends: I picked up some new toys...A Wyse WY-50 terminal and a

I've been using a Wyse 50 for years and have the manuals. Should you need any
info I'd be happy to look it up.

Steve


*- Steve -*


-*-

82535 28-OCT 19:23 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82496)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: REVWCP

I checked, and all our point-to-point modems are newer Codex (by Motorolaa Data
Systesm) branded. They are similar to yours though, and if it is marked DTE and
has the six wire jack, it is almost (have to leave room for weird possibilities)

definately a ptp modem. If you want to log onto your CoCo from the Wyse 50 from
2=5 miles away,
 get another ptp and run a powered phone line between them!

-*-

82561 29-OCT 23:17 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82496)
     From: REVWCP       To: SCWEGERT

Dear Steve: I need a schematic, any chance on a service manual loaner? --Br.
Jeremy

-*-

82581 30-OCT 13:37 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82561)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: REVWCP

 > Dear Steve: I need a schematic, any chance on a service manual loaner?


I don't have a service manual for the Wyse, just a general Reference manual and
a quick reference guide.

What's gone wrong?


*- Steve -*


-*-

82583 30-OCT 14:15 General Information
     RE: Old Monk, New Toys (Re: Msg 82581)
     From: REVWCP       To: SCWEGERT

RIck Ulland (Rickuland) has it and is trying to fix it for me.  All we are
getting is high voltage to the crt.  The power to the circuit board is dead.
There appears to be a bad capacitor.  --Jeremy

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82456 25-OCT 22:51 General Information
     CLIPDISK
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ALL

  Some of you remember CLIPBOARD Magazine.   started out good,, then like
 some others went bust.   With the Mag was offered CLIPDISK.   I have a few
 but would like ot get the complete set.
 If anyone has an origianl set or most of 'em,,, and is willing to part with
 them for $$.  Leave me E-MAIL.
 Til then,,, Terry Simons

-*-

82465 26-OCT 04:42 Music & Sound
     RE: Orch 90 (Re: Msg 81830)
     From: JEFFKOPP     To: ILLUSIONIST

Thank you for your info.  I am not too surprised to learn that there is no
Orch90 driver for OS/9 but I had a friend who "thought he had seen one
somewhere".... and not being familiar with the OS9 terrain any more myself, it
was easiest just to ask. Thanks again.  Jeff


-*-

82466 26-OCT 05:42 Programmers Den
     Reading from Multiple Inputs
     From: MREGC        To: ALL

    Maybe someone here can help save the little remaining hair that I haven't
pulled out yet. :)
    I'm trying to set up a process which uses two windows for display and
constantly switches back and forth between them. I need to know exactly when a
key is pressed while displaying either window, and to know which window was
being displayed when the key was pressed.
    I though that the way to do this would be to set up an interrupt with
_ss_ssig on both window paths, so that when I got an interrupt matching one of
the 2 which I'd set up, I could just issue a read call to that window's
keyboard. However, in practice, its working out nothing like that.
    I believe the problem here is that I understand little to nothing about
setting up and processing interrupts correctly, any enlightenment anyone could
provide would be greatly appreciated.

..Eric...

-*-

82479 26-OCT 21:17 Programmers Den
     RE: Reading from Multiple Inputs (Re: Msg 82466)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MREGC

Eric,

    I think this should help you out with your signals.  Below is some C
source code which opens up two new windows and writes "Window #1" and
"Window #2" in each, respectively.  (You'll have to use F9 or F10 to
flip and find the screens.)  You can then type in either window, and
what you type is echoed back to the same window (you will actually see 2
copies of the character you typed, since this program doesn't turn the
standard tmode echo off).  To exit, just type a capital 'Q' in either
'Window #1' or 'Window #2'... the program will tell you which window you
hit 'Q' in to exit the program.  Let me know if you need anything more.

  -- Joel.


#include <stdio.h>
#include <modes.h>

extern int signal_handler();

int sigcode;

main()
{
    int wpath1,wpath2;
    char keypress;

    wpath1=open("/w",S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); /* Open for read and write */
    wpath2=open("/w",S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); /* Open for read and write */
    if (wpath1==-1 || wpath2==-1)
    {
        fprintf(stderr,"Cannot open path to 2 windows.\n");
        exit(0);
    }

    write(wpath1,"Window #1",9);
    write(wpath2,"Window #2",9);

    intercept(signal_handler);  /* Install signal handler */
    while(1)
    {
        _ss_rel(wpath1);  /* Clear any programmed signals */
        _ss_rel(wpath2);
        _ss_ssig(wpath1,401);  /* Signal 401 programmed for window #1 */
        _ss_ssig(wpath2,402);  /* Signal 402 programmed for window #2 */
        sigcode=0;
        tsleep(0);  /* Sleep until a signal is received */
        if (sigcode==401)
        {
            read(wpath1,&keypress,1);
            write(wpath1,&keypress,1);
            if (keypress=='Q')
            {
                printf("Quit from window #1.\n");
                break;
            }
        }
        if (sigcode==402)
        {
            read(wpath2,&keypress,1);
            write(wpath2,&keypress,1);
            if (keypress=='Q')
            {
                printf("Quit from window #2.\n");
                break;
            }
        }
    }
    _ss_rel(wpath1);
    _ss_rel(wpath2);
    close(wpath1);
    close(wpath2);
}

signal_handler(signal)
int signal;
{
    sigcode=signal;
}



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


-*-

82568 30-OCT 05:42 Programmers Den
     RE: Reading from Multiple Inputs (Re: Msg 82479)
     From: MREGC        To: JOELHEGBERG

Thanks, Joel.
    Actually, this looks exactly like what I'm already doing. Which leads me to
question if its possibly something else causing my problem. For instance, could
the fact that I'm switching screens so rapidly cause a problem with trapping the

keypress? I dunno, but I'm running out of guesses so I'm grasping at straws.

..Eric...

-*-

82604 31-OCT 04:02 Programmers Den
     RE: Reading from Multiple Inputs (Re: Msg 82568)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MREGC

Eric,

 > instance, could the fact that I'm switching screens so rapidly cause a
 > problem with trapping the keypress? I dunno, but I'm running out of

That could be the problem.  I know that sometimes K-Windows can do stuff
like that.  In fact, when I flip screens with 'f9' or 'f10' keys,
occasionally the palettes will flip but the screen will not.  If I press
'f9' again, the screen after the unshown screen appears, so I know
K-Windows was actually thinking the screen was being shown.  Rarely
happens though.  Perhaps when it puts up one of your screens, for some
reason kwin doesn't track it correctly and is still taking keyboard
input from the other window.  I'm not sure what else to say about it,
but I would not rule out a kwin bug.



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82634 1-NOV 04:11  Programmers Den
     RE: Reading from Multiple Inputs (Re: Msg 82604)
     From: MREGC        To: JOELHEGBERG

Actually, I believe I've found the problem, and though it does have to do with
the quickness of window switching, its the exact opposite of what I thought.
When I got a keypress I would jump to the interrupt handler, set a flag, finish
writing the new screen data and display it before processing the key. It
*appears* as though switching to the new screen happened so fast that the
keypress was caught on both inputs, and the program had a problem trying to
handle both interrupts. I changed the program to accomodate this, yet it still
seems to be processing the intrrupt twice, but whether from the same screen or
one from each screen I'm not sure yet.Oh well, at least its a starting point for

further investigation.

..Eric...

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End of Thread.

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82467 26-OCT 05:46 Applications (6809)
     New AR submitted
     From: JWILKERSON   To: ALL

   I have received carl Kreider's permission to upload the new version of ar.
So, as soon as it is approved, do it to it.  Remember, Shell+ users must patch
shell+ to take care of the memory allocation problems in order for it to work.

          -- John

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82478 26-OCT 21:17 Applications (6809)
     RE: New AR submitted (Re: Msg 82467)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: JWILKERSON

 > I have received carl Kreider's permission to upload the new version of
 > ar. So, as soon as it is approved, do it to it.  Remember, Shell+ users
 > must patch shell+ to take care of the memory allocation problems in order
 > for it to work.

OS-9 and OS-K versions?



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82495 27-OCT 05:44 Applications (6809)
     RE: New AR submitted (Re: Msg 82478)
     From: JWILKERSON   To: JOELHEGBERG

   The only version he has worked on so far is th OS/9-6800 version.

          -- John

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End of Thread.

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82471 26-OCT 07:41 System Modules (6809)
     NitroOS9 Review
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ALL

I need a volunteer to do a complete review of the latest version of NitrOS9
(Ver.  1.15).  The ideal person should NOT already have a copy if NitrOS9
installed, but should be a user with enough experience to install and use this
package while taking notes along the way to write the review.  Also, this person

should be able to write decently.  No Hemmingways are expected, just be able to
put your thoughts on paper to where it can be edited for clarity and
correctness.  You don't need to be an English major to do this (grin).

Whomever gets to do this gets to keep the NitrOS9 package as their fee for doing

the review.  Consequently, we expect a decent amount of time to be spent on this

and a good, accurate and unbiased review to be made. I'd like to include the
review in the December or January issue of Metamorphosis, so please make sure
you also have the time required to do this.

All volunteers please e-mail me your requests and your system particulars.
Thanks!


 Mark Griffith
 Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.
   "Cheap, But Not Trash"

 (Uploaded with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01)

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82516 28-OCT 00:00 System Modules (6809)
     RE: NitroOS9 Review (Re: Msg 82471)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: MARKGRIFFITH

I just installed it today if its not too late :) I used powerboost before and
have experience with making bootfiles and such.

Mike

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82549 29-OCT 06:34 System Modules (6809)
     RE: NitroOS9 Review (Re: Msg 82516)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MIKE_GUZZI

Mike,

 > I just installed it today if its not too late :) I used powerboost before
 > and have experience with making bootfiles and such.

Thanks, but I believe we have someone in line now.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82575 30-OCT 09:10 System Modules (6809)
     RE: NitroOS9 Review (Re: Msg 82549)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: MARKGRIFFITH

Ok no problem. The article I wrote for the os9 file structure should keep your
magazine happy for awhile :) Oh did you get my check yet for a year
subscription? I sent it out i think 2 weeks ago. I don't want to miss out!

Mike

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82675 2-NOV 06:51  System Modules (6809)
     RE: NitroOS9 Review (Re: Msg 82575)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MIKE_GUZZI

Mike,

 > Ok no problem. The article I wrote for the os9 file structure should keep
 > your magazine happy for awhile :) Oh did you get my check yet for a year
 > subscription? I sent it out i think 2 weeks ago. I don't want to miss
 > out!

Thanks.  It appears I might start your articles in the December issue. It will
take me some time to work out all those graphics.

Yes, got your check, and thanks!

 Mark Griffith
 Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.
   "Cheap, But Not Trash"

 (Uploaded with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01)

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82717 4-NOV 20:29  System Modules (6809)
     RE: NitroOS9 Review (Re: Msg 82675)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: MARKGRIFFITH

Well I was only making mere suggestions as your wish list didn't say for which
os9 system you were targeting. glad you got the check, that means I won't miss
out on any of the issues.

Mike

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End of Thread.

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82472 26-OCT 07:53 General Information
     CRTs
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

I've worked with hardware for a long time, but I have limited experience with
CRTs. I dabbled with television about 15 years ago, but I don't remember
everything. How can I determine when a CRT is safe to handle. Is there an
approved method of discharging a CRT? I need to work with some black and white
monitors and I would hate to get burned. Flyback transformers and high voltage
are not my favorite things to work with! Anyone's input would be appreciated.

-Mike

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82476 26-OCT 20:23 General Information
     RE: CRTs (Re: Msg 82472)
     From: JES68K       To: MROWEN01

Mike,
    I work for a manufacturer of ultra high resolution monitors (2560x2048) and
waking up on a sleepy monday morning by being zapped with 25K+ volts is an
experience you only need once to remember what to do and not to do!
    The real danger is located at the Anode Cap of the CRT: this is the
connection on the rear sloping area leading to the long slim neck for the CRT.
If you come in contact with this area (even with the monitor turned off for long

periods of time) you can zapped good!  Proper safety (ensuring that no charge is

contained in or about the Anode is to ground out the charge by as simple
hardware as a long 8" screwdriver blade with a heavy duty alligator claw style
clip attached to a shielded wire terminated to the metal cabinet housing the
monitor (base of chassis is fine) and make sure you have good contact at both
the chassis end and screwdriver blade.
    Hold the screwdriver's plastic handle (for isolation from voltage) and
gently work it under the Anode Cap (usually 1" to 2" in diameter with an
insulated wire leading to the high voltage supply) until it is firmly in contact

with the metal retaining clip that hold the Anode Cap to the glass cavity ......

with you do it right (depending on the charge) you should see or hear a
discharge of the voltage!  Always do this several times for complete safety.
NEVER DO THIS IF THE MONITOR IS TURNED ON!
   Want to know how a person gets zapped accidentally by 25K+ voltages? Just
rely on a push-on push-off power switch and not pull the power cord from the AC
outlet as a second safety measure .... that's why the last advice I can give is
PULL THE MONITOR POWER CORD OUT OF THE AC OUTLET! Don't rely on the switch, no
matter what type it is.

--- make the word phrase "shielded wire" read "insulated wire" in the
    above paragraph ---

   It has been many years since I have worked on monitors, but this is one
technician who woke up very fast one monday morning and learned the lesson so he

could live to be an older and wiser technician.

         === Jesse ===

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82497 27-OCT 06:33 General Information
     RE: CRTs (Re: Msg 82476)
     From: MROWEN01     To: JES68K

Thanks for the safety tips. I had imagined that I could ground the anode, but I
wanted to make sure. I wasn't sure if such a discharge could harm the CRT. I`ll
try it out tonight.

-Mike

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82509 27-OCT 22:45 General Information
     RE: CRTs (Re: Msg 82497)
     From: JOHNREED     To: MROWEN01

 > Thanks for the safety tips. I had imagined that I could ground the anode, but

I
 >
 > wanted to make sure. I wasn't sure if such a discharge could harm the CRT.
I`ll
 >
 > try it out tonight.
 >
 > -Mike
 >

I'll toss in one more warning here -- notice in the previous message "do it
several times" -- in reference to bleeding off the high voltage on the CRT.
That is not just to make sure you did it -- CRTs are reluctant to give up all
their charge at once.  You can kill it once, wait 20 minutes, and pull a pretty
impressive spark from it AGAIN. Sneaky critters, those CRTs.


           John R. Wainwright

 <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

 *********** InfoXpress ************

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82517 28-OCT 00:02 General Information
     RE: CRTs (Re: Msg 82476)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: JES68K

Yep! i got zapped by an old tube set that had been off for 10 years! thought it
was safe.... WRONG!!!

Mike

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End of Thread.

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82481 26-OCT 22:04 General Information
     Taa Daa!!!!
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: ALL

Welp, I finally broke down an joined Delphi. Thanks to a lot of prodding (If you

were online, I could get this to you tonite!!!). So here I am!!!
                         Chris Hawks
                          HAWKSoft

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82482 26-OCT 22:19 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82481)
     From: ISC          To: HAWKSOFT

Chris,

Welcome!  I am sure you are going to have a great time.  We all do!<G>

Bill

Bill Jumper

ISC

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82488 27-OCT 01:22 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82481)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: HAWKSOFT

 > Welp, I finally broke down an joined Delphi. Thanks to a lot of prodding
 > (If you were online, I could get this to you tonite!!!). So here I am!!!
 > Chris Hawks
 > HAWKSoft

Chris!  Hurray!  You made it!  :)
Nice to see you online here, since I so rarely get to talk with you
otherwise.  Did you get everything from that disk I gave down in
Atlanta?



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82502 27-OCT 18:50 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82488)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: JOELHEGBERG

 Hi Joel!
     I got all the goodies on the disk, but, was a little disappointed. NO mod
files! But my local PC (ugh!) BBS has plenty!! Anyway, I got tired of hearing
"Oh, If you were online I could send this right to you, so I decided to try
it!!!! :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

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82507 27-OCT 21:31 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82502)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: HAWKSOFT


 >
 > I got all the goodies on the disk, but, was a little disappointed. NO
 > mod files!                                                         ^^
 > ^^^ ^^^^^
 >

   Welcome Chris!  Check out the database here, in new uploads, you'll
 find some nice MOD files there <g>.

-
   John Baer
   johnbaer@delphi.com
   jbaer@pacs.pha.pa.us

   *** InfoXpress 1.01.00 ***

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82508 27-OCT 21:37 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82507)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNBAER

There are also LOTS of Mod files in the Amiga and PC Sigs here at Delphi. Which,

BTW, If I see any more MODs submnitted to the OS-9 sig, that are already in the
Amiga or PC sig, I will not accept them... There is no reason for the
duplication. Delphi doesn't have unlimited storage 8-)

Does Delphi have a Music sig? Maybe I should go and look, if it did, that would
probably be the _ideal_ place for MODS to be stored...
--
Paul Jerkatis
Assistant OS-9 Database Manager

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82518 28-OCT 01:21 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82502)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: HAWKSOFT

Chris,

 > I got all the goodies on the disk, but, was a little disappointed. NO
 > mod files!  ...

Well, the disk was pretty full with those 60+ digitized cocofest3 images
for Allen adventure game, available from Sub-Etha Software (plug, plug...)

 > hearing "Oh, If you were online I could send this right to you, so I
 > decided to try it!!!!

I think you'll like it... I actually don't think I could live without
Delphi.

So, ya gonna dress up in your Star Trek costumes for Halloween??


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82528 28-OCT 06:32 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82481)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: HAWKSOFT

Chris,

The next file is a binary mail file that is the 'ddd' utility I spoke to you
about.  Let me know how it works.  You'll have fun figuring out how to download
it!  Basically, you save it to your workspace, then go to your workspace area
and download it from there.  Make sure you delete it afterward or you'll get
charged for the space usage.

I'll send you a copy of InfoXpress to make this all easier for you.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82533 28-OCT 18:10 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82518)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: JOELHEGBERG

of course!! :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:
<-: <-:

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82534 28-OCT 18:11 General Information
     RE: Taa Daa!!!! (Re: Msg 82528)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: MARKGRIFFITH

OK, I'm game. I'll give it a try!     Thanks! :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->
:-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

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End of Thread.

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82483 26-OCT 22:22 Applications (6809)
      Spelling checker and look-up
     From: ISC          To: ALL

I have downloaded the spelling checker from the users' group database, but I
can't figure out how to use it.  It comes back to me with "Can't find dictionary

file."  Now what?

Thanks.

Bill

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82485 27-OCT 00:01 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82483)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ISC

There SHOULD also be a dictionary file _someplace_ in the databases (I admit I
looked the other night, and wan't able to find it by any obvious search method)
The dictionary file is over 100K though... I'll try to find it again tonight...
One of these days I should go through all them really old submissions, and give
them some more reasonable keywords to searc h for...

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82486 27-OCT 00:20 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82485)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ISC

Hmm... I wasn't able to find a dictionary file anyplace... But, I added the
keywords "SPELL" and "DICTIONARY" to the following 4 submissions in the Users
Group Database:
     unwords
     words
     dict
     spell
The first two are for decompressing/compressing dictionary file that dict and
spell use... If you can find a plain ascii dictionary file/list of words
someplace, then you can make your own dictionary to use with these programs (
and, come to think of it, that might have been what I did, I generated a list of

words from the dictionary program on my Unix system, and then converted it to
the proper format on my CoCo)

Good luck...
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

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82498 27-OCT 06:59 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82486)
     From: MROWEN01     To: MITHELEN

I read your notes regarding the spell checker. I listed the docs for spell.c and

it mentions that you can create your own dictionary if it's in the right format.

What is the right format? I have access to UNIX dictionaries and I would like to

convert them for use with my Coco3. This would be really nice, because I have my

most commonly used unique words in the UNIX dictionary already. (A BIG TIME
SAVER). I must admit I haven't looked at the code yet to determine hat the
format might be, but I figured I would check with you before I take a guess.
Thanks for updateing those keywords as well.

-Mike

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82500 27-OCT 12:28 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82498)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MROWEN01

You simply want a plain ASCII list of words, one word per line... Then you run
the "words" program on it, and it "compiles" it into the format that spell and
dict want... If you then want to modify the dictionary at a later date, you run
the "unwords" program, and it creates the ASCII list of words from the compiled
dictionary file.

Oh... and I _might_ have the functionality of words and unwords reversed, but
you get the basic idea, one makes the dictionary, the other "bursts" it...
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

-*-

82525 28-OCT 05:02 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82498)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MROWEN01

If you get an ASCII list from the UNIX system of the dictionary, you could use
the util in the UG database (I forget the name, I could check though) to convert

it to the right format..just grab the ASCII list off the UNIX system and BANG!
you should be able to convert it..if you get a pretty good sized dictionary
file, why not compress it (preferrably with the new AR, since it is the best
compression we have so far) and upload it here.. if you dont want to take all
the time to upload it (if it IS that big) you could snail mail me a copy on
floppy, I could upload it, I have a 9600 (more with compression, but since the
file will already be compressed..) so I could upload it faster....

                                                           -* Mike

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82530 28-OCT 07:45 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82525)
     From: MROWEN01     To: ILLUSIONIST

I've been busy, but hoepfully I'll work on it this weekend. I'll let you know
how it goes and inform you when I upload it.

-Mike

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82536 28-OCT 19:36 Applications (6809)
     RE:  Spelling checker and look-up (Re: Msg 82530)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MROWEN01

Ok great! I hope it goes well..

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End of Thread.

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82487 27-OCT 01:18 Programmers Den
     GCC error
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

While compileing with GCC some programs from the GNU collection, I run into an
error 214 from L68.   My libararies all have public and owner read and write
attr's set, as do the resulting ROF files.   Any clues here??

       Thanks!

            David

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82490 27-OCT 01:44 General Information
     Pt
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

ooopps, I forgot to tell you guys, the PT (Periodic Table) in the new uploads
requires the Toupper subroutine from my archive of B09 subroutines (first
archive).

It is pretty obvious in the source, if you look at it, but I figure I should
post it here anyway..

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82492 27-OCT 02:13 OSK Applications
     screen saver
     From: BKITT        To: ALL

Ok.  I have it here.  The ultimate screen saver for the MM/1.
This is a REAL screen saver.  Here is how it works: You start up the process
from startup, or just run it from any command line, as a background process, or
as a process on a window. It attaches itself to keydrv, device driver for the
keyboard.  The program then tracks keypresses.  ANY keypress, shift, control, or

anything, will reset the counter.  Right now it is hardcoded for time, but this
will change before I finish it. Anyway, when it hits 5 seconds with no keypress,

it then calls up a screen saver, which flips you to a new window, and does
whatever you want. When this called up screen saver program exits, my program
will then return you back to the original window.
This works really good right now.  I am testing it now, and no problems that I
think will stop me from finishing this project.
I am working on mouse testing also.  Obviously I will have to check for mouse
movement as well as keyboard, but I want to make sure the keyboard is down pat
first.
I will be adding joystick testing also, so all inputs should be covered.
Anybody have any ideas they would like to include in this new little project?

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82506 27-OCT 21:29 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82492)
     From: VAXELF       To: BKITT

 How about flying wedgits being shot down by Bill the Cat.............

  or how about a top view of a road with a armidillo crossing back and forth
with a car zooming down the road at ramdom..........

John D

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82514 27-OCT 23:05 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82506)
     From: EMTWO        To: BKITT

 Well lets see,
   First, build in some default time limit ( 5 mins or so )
   Second, allow _passworded_ savers
        And, if passworded, lock out window switching.
   Third, randomize from some list, the actual screen saver called.

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82521 28-OCT 01:21 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82492)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: BKITT

Brian,

 > as a process on a window. It attaches itself to keydrv, device driver for
 > the keyboard.  The program then tracks keypresses.  ANY keypress, shift,
 > control, or anything, will reset the counter.

Fantastic!  That was something that I was going to try to do when I was
developing all those screen savers for Etha-GUI, but I really didn't
know how to get the info outta keydrv.  (BTW, I would assume this is
totally dependent on one specific version of keydrv.. in other words, if
keydrv is changed the screensaver-caller will not work?)

 > Anybody have any ideas they would like to include in this new little
 > project?

Just let it call any screen-saver program the caller wants so I can
write some screen savers!  ;)  Oh, it would also be very useful if the
screen saver could make the new screen (at least in some cases... maybe
some sorta flag to determine this?) so that some of my screen savers,
like "jigsaw screen" can know what screen they were called from in
order to get the display from that window and manipulate it on another
screen.


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82539 28-OCT 22:00 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82521)
     From: BKITT        To: JOELHEGBERG

You have some great ideas there.
As for how I did it, here it is, real simple (for techies anyway).
After disassembling keydrv, I looked for where Kevin set up the interupt
processing.  I knew this was based on an interupt, so just started looking for
where he did an F$IRQ call.  I found this very easily. Based on the docs in the
OS9 manual, when this is called, A0 points to the address to processes the
interupt.  Only a couple of instructions before the F$IRQ, was the load into A0.

After seeing this, I then found where at in the code the interupt routine was
handled.  The first instruction loaded D0 from address 9ffc41, this is the port
for the keyboard input, so I knew I was onto the right area. The next 2
instructions see if a key was pressed, and if not, return. If it was, then key
processing takes place. I hack the first instruction following the test, and
make it a jmp to my program code instead of a move, which it currently is.  In
my program code, I set a flag in my data area, save the A2 register, which is a
pointer to the static storage area, and then do the move that I wiped out with
my jmp. I then jmp back to the next instruction after the original move.

I verify that these test instructions and move instructions are in place, if not

I put out an error message saying I cannot set up the hook, so you are right,
this maor may not work with other versions of keydrv.

As for the saver itself, it is working somewhat unpredicatably, because the
display 1b 21 codes are totally unreliable.  Until I get the display 1b 21
working consistently, I will be at a holding pattern on the screen saver.
Thanks for your feedback Joel.

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82545 29-OCT 01:06 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82521)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JOELHEGBERG

Don't forget thinking about using this trick to implement a 'screen dump' util!
No self respecting computer should be without it!"


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82566 30-OCT 03:50 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82539)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: BKITT (NR)

 > address 9ffc41, this is the port for the keyboard input, so I knew I was
 > onto the right area. The next 2 instructions see if a key was pressed, and
 > if not, return. If it was, then key processing takes place. I hack the
 > first instruction following the test, and make it a jmp to my program code

Interesting way of doing that.  Too bad you can't add that "raw"
keyboard mode everyone's been wanting to make use of all the MM/1's keys.  ;)

 >
 > As for the saver itself, it is working somewhat unpredicatably,
 > because
 > the display 1b 21 codes are totally unreliable.  Until I get the display
 > 1b 21 working consistently, I will be at a holding pattern on the screen
 > saver.

I know what you mean... those 1b21 codes are annoyingly inconsistent in
their operation.  You notice that's why the screen doesn't flip when
using Etha-GUI.  One tip for you... try selecting both STDOUT and
STDIN... (paths 1 and 0).  I was forgetting to select path #0, and Mike
Haaland mentioned that gets control back for the mouse and keyboard,
etc. and my solve some of your problems... it helped with some of mine
at least!



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82567 30-OCT 03:51 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82545)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: NIMITZ

 > Don't forget thinking about using this trick to implement a 'screen dump'
 > util!
 > No self respecting computer should be without it!"

Yes, we need a screen dump program!  Have to make it Epson compatible.



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82577 30-OCT 10:50 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82567)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JOELHEGBERG

Actually, even TTY compatible would be nice.   Epson 9 and 24 pin graphics would

be terrific....



            David

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82579 30-OCT 11:26 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82567)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG

 >
 > Yes, we need a screen dump program!  Have to make it Epson compatible.
 >

Not to mention Postscript as well!!!!

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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82605 31-OCT 04:03 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82577)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: NIMITZ

David,

 > Actually, even TTY compatible would be nice.   Epson 9 and 24 pin
 > graphics would be terrific....

Well, TTY (ASCII) would be great... the problem is determining what
characters are on the screen, given that the MM/1 is always in graphics
mode.  With the multiple fonts available, plus BOLD, and color schemes
to deal with, it would be almost impossible to write an ASCII screen
dump routine for the MM/1, UNLESS you can find the location where Kevin
Darling's K-Windows keeps the ASCII version of the screen/window.  He
must keep that somewhere, since he'd need it for the text cut/paste
between windows feature!



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82606 31-OCT 04:03 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82579)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: COLORSYSTEMS

Zack,

 > > Yes, we need a screen dump program!  Have to make it Epson compatible.
 > Not to mention Postscript as well!!!!

Yep!  We program for what we each have!  :)


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82611 31-OCT 09:29 OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82605)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: JOELHEGBERG

 > mode.  With the multiple fonts available, plus BOLD, and color schemes
 > to deal with, it would be almost impossible to write an ASCII screen
 > dump routine for the MM/1, UNLESS ...

Or unless your application kept track of what it knows is currently on the
screen at all times.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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82628 1-NOV 01:56  OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82611)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: COLORSYSTEMS

Zack,

 > > mode.  With the multiple fonts available, plus BOLD, and color schemes
 > > to deal with, it would be almost impossible to write an ASCII screen
 > > dump routine for the MM/1, UNLESS ...
 >
 > Or unless your application kept track of what it knows is currently on
 > the screen at all times.

Very true, but I think the person wants this to run off the screen-saver
background program, so it would not be related to whatever apps may in
running in any windows.


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82638 1-NOV 07:16  OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82567)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: JOELHEGBERG

Joel,

 > > Don't forget thinking about using this trick to implement a 'screen
 > dump' util!
 > > No self respecting computer should be without it!"
 >
 > Yes, we need a screen dump program!  Have to make it Epson compatible.

Didn't you already do some sort of screen snap shot program that saves a screen
into some non-generic file format?  Why not use that as as a basis for a screen
dump you can do?

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82649 1-NOV 21:04  OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82605)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JOELHEGBERG

Thanks, Joel, good point.  BTW - anyone with concerns about KWindow bugs,
please, by all means express them here.  The new KWindow programmer is almost
CONSTANTLY here.   though I won't identify him unless he decides to go public.

        David


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82650 1-NOV 21:05  OSK Applications
     RE: screen saver (Re: Msg 82611)
     From: NIMITZ       To: COLORSYSTEMS

Zack, actually, I was looking for a system wide function similar to messy dog
systems...... ;)


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End of Thread.

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82499 27-OCT 07:24 General Information
     Infoxpress
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

Alot of you people are using Infoexpress for Delphi. I have seen little info on
this package. (just a few adds). I know what it can do for my Delphi account,
but is this package strictly for a few on-line services or can it be configured
for just about anything? I have to log onto at least 4 systems to check mail
daily in addition to my Delphi account. It would sure be nice to be able to read

all of my mail with the morning coffee. Is infoxpress the solution I'm looking
for?

-Thanks Mike Rowen

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82504 27-OCT 19:52 General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82499)
     From: JEJONES      To: MROWEN01

 > Alot of you people are using Infoexpress for Delphi. I have seen little
 > info on this package. (just a few adds). I know what it can do for my
 > Delphi account, but is this package strictly for a few on-line services or
 > can it be configured for just about anything?

InfoXpress 1.0 and 1.1, to the best of my knowledge, are Delphi and CIS
specific, i.e. they know how to get around on those two info utilities.

Whether it will learn about others (lapsing into anthropomorphism :-) is up to
Bill Dickhaus, the author of InfoXpress.  Judging by the existence of various
script files that it uses (that's all I am going by; I haven't tried to look at
their contents), my guess is that he's written it in a flexible fashion
anticipating other services, but that's purely speculation on my part and
personal opinion.  All I know is what I read in the papers.

(Then, too, there are systems that as far as I know don't publish their
protocols--if you aren't running a system that they put out an interface program

for, and that typically means PClone or Mac, they evidently don't consider you
worthy of notice.)

James

Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily those

of any organization. *** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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82526 28-OCT 06:32 General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82499)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MROWEN01

Mike,

 > but is this package strictly for a few on-line services or can it
 > be configured
 > for just about anything? I have to log onto at least 4 systems to check
 > mail daily in addition to my Delphi account. It would sure be nice to be
 > able to read all of my mail with the morning coffee. Is infoxpress the
 > solution I'm looking for?

InfoXpress is currenly configured for use with Delphi, Compuserve, and in the
new version, Genie.  That's it.  If there are other services that you'd like to
see added, perhaps you should get together with Bill Dickhaus, the author, and
see what you two can work out.  Depending on the popularity of these other
services, Bill might want to add support for them.

BTW, what are these other services you mentioned?  BBS's?  Bill might be able to

add support for RiBBS sites, or similar BBS systems that have a predictable
prompt/reply structure.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82531 28-OCT 07:55 General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82526)
     From: MROWEN01     To: MARKGRIFFITH

The mail systems I want to access are on different systems where I work. I have
to log onto VMS mail (just like delphi mail), IBM Office vision mail, Lotus
CC:Mail, and UNIX mail. There are of course standards to allow all of these mail

systems to communicate, but of course no one wants to spend the $$ to do it. I'm

a communications administrator, so I get accounts on nearly every system. PC
pacakges like ProComm allow you to write scripts that can logon and grab things,

but I hate MS-DOS! Not only that, but it would be nice to read my mail all at
once whereever I might be. To complicate things, I'm a system administrator for
several Unix machines, which means I have to read my own account mail and the
mail for "root". I Love UNIX and it all makes sense compared to other systems.
That's why OS-9 is great. OS-9 is even better because it's so much smaller. I
really hope Microare creates personality modules for the new microkernal OSs
that will accompany the Power PC platforms. I think that may move OS-9 into the
mainstream. I know I could use it at work!

-Mike

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82564 30-OCT 03:50 General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82526)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark,

 > InfoXpress is currenly configured for use with Delphi, Compuserve, and in
 > the new version, Genie.  That's it.  If there are other services that

Really?  That's great if GEnie is also supported.  Is that in the
updated version that was given out around fest-time?  I'd love to find
out how to add a GEnie script to my default.ini file!



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82569 30-OCT 07:53 General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82531)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MROWEN01

Mike,

 > The mail systems I want to access are on different systems where I work. I
 > have
 > to log onto VMS mail (just like delphi mail), IBM Office vision mail,
 > Lotus CC:Mail, and UNIX mail.

I need to do the same, since I'm a system administrator also.  The problem is
getting Bill and UNIX account on some machine and letting him work at it.  Right

now, he is not doing anything to InfoXpress--he's taking a well earned break
from it all.  Perhaps you and he and get together and work something out.  His
username here is BILLDICKHAUS.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82637 1-NOV 07:16  General Information
     RE: Infoxpress (Re: Msg 82564)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: JOELHEGBERG

Joel,

 > Really?  That's great if GEnie is also supported.  Is that in the
 > updated version that was given out around fest-time?  I'd love to find
 > out how to add a GEnie script to my default.ini file!

Not in any version that is available yet.  Bill is still working on it. It'll be

released sometime after to first of the year I'd guess.  Maybe even as late as
the Chicago Fest.

Perhaps you should contact Bill about beta testing since he'll need people with
Genie accounts for that.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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End of Thread.

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82503 27-OCT 19:02 OSK Applications
     CDR-docs
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: MARKGRIFFITH

Hi Mark!
  Got the docs today from NEC. "CD-ROM Drive OEM Documentation" 90 pages- Lots
of reading to come during coffee breaks and lunch at work!! Anyway, I'm ready to

play with the direct commands to the cdr, but, can't figure out how to setup the

regs and data. Tried d0=path d1=13 (send direct command) d2=6 (# os9 F$SetStt
-didn't work! Correct systax? would be appriciated :-> ! :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->

:-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:



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82522 28-OCT 01:31 OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82328)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: ILLUSIONIST

Yep, I don't find a method of switching fonts in the doc's yet. Also, I need to
know how to get or build a set of fonts.

Yes on the FHL 68030-25mhz.  Unfortunately, now that I have the complete system,

video, G-windows, and all; I am so busy with work, friends, and other stuff that

I haven't spent too much time on it yet.

Allen


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82523 28-OCT 01:47 OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82330)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: EDELMAR

I do not have the developer's pak.  So, I am unsure exactly how to pass anything

on the command line so as to select another font.  I will look for the
font_demo.c program as you suggest. Although I did purchase OS-9000 when the
price was "right", I have since sold it to another local user.  The Intel
machine in our house is running OS/2 this week.  Sorry to report to you that I
am running the G-Windows on a Kix\30.  Sticking to the G-windows topic-- I have
used a little Microsoft Windows, a little unix/"motif", a little Desqview/X, a
little OS/2, and some others. I do think G-Windows is a quality product and FUN
to use.  The more I play with it, the more I like it.  My friend is interested
in getting G-Windows for the OS-9000 machine when the finances are right.

Allen

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82524 28-OCT 04:55 OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82522)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: AJMLFCO

re: Being Busy, and no time for the 'puter

:), yeah, I know about that one..I had sold off my only coco awhile back,just
got a working system JUST about set up, and now, I am so busy with school,
I dont have time for it..my work load should lighten up as by this Monday
though..by then I will be back here, and going to classes (I am going down
to Long Island on Friday, myself and 2 classmates, to collect soil samples
from around the coast line and get some water samples from the East river)
I just hope I dont fall in the water, if I do, I wont be able to make it
back to the coco.. :)
                                                            -* Mike

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82548 29-OCT 06:23 OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82523)
     From: EDELMAR      To: AJMLFCO


 Allen,

 I may have misunderstood your earlier question.  If you are referring to
 starting an application from a window, unless the application accepts the
 font parameter and can process it, it will use the font specified in the
 environmental variable WINDOW.  You have a choice of 3 fonts when you start
 a new window.  But first, you must set the environment variable WINDOW
 describing the font you wish used in the window.  See your 'startup.gw' file.
 To make life a little easier, you can write a script file which would set the
 WINDOW environment and run your application.  You can add this file to your
 'custom menu' if you wish.  So far as I know, you can't change the font in
 an existing shell window from the command line.

 The source code for the 'quick fonts' is in /dd/GWINDOWS/SOURCE.  Look for
 'qfonts.a' - included is the 'makefile'.  You can either alter and (I think)
 add additional fonts.  It isn't difficult but it is tedious.  You can use
 the program 'calc' to help you with the binary/hex/decimal conversions.

 To access the general fonts you will need the developers pack.  The program
 I previously mentioned, 'font_demo.c' comes with the pack.  With the
 developers pack you'll be able to write apps that allow the user to select
 the font(s) he wants 'on the fly' and/or select the initial font if you wish.
 You'll have a choice of 3 font styles and sizes from 9 pts to 72 pts.

 You mentioned you used Microsoft Windows, Unix/"motif", Desqview/X, OS/2,
 and some others.  Can you give us your opinion of ease of use, versatility,
 etc. of G-WINDOWS as a windowing/GUI system versus the others?  I think many
 would like to know.

 Ed

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82666 2-NOV 01:32  OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82548)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: EDELMAR

Thanks for the G-Windows tips.  A opportunity exists for an "Inside G-Windows"
book.  The normal user would not necessarily need such a book, but if you like
to "tinker", it would be nice.

As for commenting on G-Windows vs. MS-windoz (sp?), I need a little more time to

sort it out.  At first, when  I was new to G-Windows, I thought things were
missing. I would not feel comfortable with a rigorous comparison just yet.  One
thing real nice about G-Windows and OSK is the how fast the darn thing boots up
compared to OS/2 or , even worse, unix.  I can be up and running in maybe 10
seconds after the hard drive finishes its self-check.  Another neat feature is
how G-Windows "remembers" where it was when it was last powered down.  Just now,

when I first booted up, the same windows were displayed on the screen as when
the system was last powered down.  Of course, applications are not re-opened,
etc. but directory type windows and the shells are displayed.  Another neat
feature is the way that G-windows keeps a bit of status infomation updated along

with an icon.  For example, when I iconify this Sterm window that I am now
using, it lists the application name and the status of the process as "working".

On the negative side, the window borders and the Icons need to be smaller.  This

display is real clear and sharp so there is no need to have the Icons so large
(1" x 1").  Thinner window borders would make for a cleaner looking desktop, in
my opinion.   Over all, G-Windows is pretty fast.  The only places that I have
noticed problems are with a little bit of jerkiness when moving a window (might
be hardware specific) and I had hoped that image files would have come up
quicker (about 2 seconds for 640x480 -256 color from the hard drive).

Well, enough for now...

Allen

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82678 2-NOV 20:09  OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82666)
     From: EDELMAR      To: AJMLFCO


 Allen,

 In my previous message, I said that I thought you could have more than 3
 quick fonts.  Not so, you are limited to 3.  However, there are several
 things you can do if you want to have more than 3 fonts.  The easiest and
 least flexible is to have additional quick font modules.  You could load the
 alternate qfonts module when you start G-WINDOWS.  Another way would be to
 change the data in the qfonts module in memory.  It is a data module and as
 such can be written to.  I haven't tried doing either but it would be
 interesting to see the results.  If you write an application for G-WINDOWS
 using the Developer's Pack, you can do underlining, bold and change character
 color very easily.  And, you have many more fonts available.

 > Thanks for the G-Windows tips.  A opportunity exists for an "Inside
 > G-Windows" book.  The normal user would not necessarily need such a book,
 > but if you like to "tinker", it would be nice.

 In addition to the original manuals written by Steve Adams, I include a
 tutorial on using G-WINDOWS to my customers.  It isn't as comprehensive
 as Steve's manual but it helps new users get started.  Steve is working
 on a tutorial for using the Developer's Pack.  Don't know when he'll have it
 done.

 > One thing real nice about G-Windows and OSK is the how fast the darn thing
 > boots up compared to OS/2 or , even worse, unix.  I can be up and running
 > in maybe 10 seconds after the hard drive finishes its self-check.  Another
 > neat feature is how G-Windows "remembers" where it was when it was last
 > powered down.

 I don't know anything about OS/2 but G-WINDOWS on a SYSTEM V has been com-
 pared very favorably with X-WINDOWS (Unix) on SPARC workstations with
 RISC chips by several people.  As to the speed of getting G-WINDOWS up and
 running, this depends on, among other things, how many directories (and how
 large they are) it has to read.  Several times I had opened so many
 directories (and most are large) that it could take almost a minute to get
 up and running.  Just goes to show you one can slow anything down if they
 try <g>.   BTW, have you checked out the extended directory listings?  Like
 MW's but includes the creation date, too.  Can be very handy at times.
 Don't forget you can alter the startup.gw file and start applications when
 you start G-WINDOWS.  If you prefer, you can start apps from the custom menu.

 > On the negative side, the window borders and the Icons need to be smaller.
 > This display is real clear and sharp so there is no need to have the Icons
 > so large (1" x 1").  Thinner window borders would make for a cleaner looking
 > desktop, in my opinion.

 Remember, most ports of G-WINDOWS today are allowing for resolutions greater
 than 640x480.  I normally use 800x600 with 14 or 15" monitors.  When I hook
 up a 17" or 20" monitor, I'll go to 1024x768.  At these resolutions, the
 borders are smaller and so are the icons.  A Japanese team is doing either
 a 1200x1000 or 1200x1200 port using the TI gfx chip and in Kanji.  They'll
 probably want larger borders and icons <g>.

 It is possible to have a window without a border but you'd lose the gadgets,
 scroll bars, etc.  You wouldn't be able to move it, resize it, hibernate it,
 etc.

 > The only places that I have noticed problems are with a little bit of
 > jerkiness when moving a window (might be hardware specific) and I had
 > hoped that image files would have come up quicker (about 2 seconds for
 > 640x480 -256 color from the hard drive).

 When moving a window, you only move the dotted outline with the mouse.  When
 you release the mouse button, the windows should be redrawn in the new
 location.  Overall, the action should be very smooth.  Is movement of the
 mouse pointer by itself smooth?  If not, then your problem is with the mouse
 or mouse driver.  Otherwise, I'm at a loss.

 Re the speed of the image drawing.  2 seconds is respectable for a 25 MHz
 machine, 640x480 resolution and 'viewimage'.  'Viewimage' is written in C
 and writes one pixel (1 byte for 256 colors) to the driver at a time via
 library functions so there is considerable overhead involved.  I've tried
 making similar measurements but they're quite difficult to do with any kind
 of accuracy.  Maybe one of these days I'll modify 'viewimage' and some other
 programs to permit execution time measurements.  Trying to make any measure-
 ments under 5 seconds becomes difficult unless the measurement is made within
 the program.  Measurements under say a few tenths of a second require entirely
 different techniques - like actual measurements on the bus.  Depends on what
 your measuring and the accuracy required.

 A couple of programs you may want to download.  Bezier Curves written by
 PAGAN (Stephen Carville).  Nice, snazy demo.  You'll see some real fast
 screen drawing.  Also, you'll see the use of the narrowest frame possible.
 The other is Viewfax (don't forget the data file).  After you start it,
 hibernate it.  The icon will say 'working'.  When it's finished, the icon
 will change to 'waiting'.

 I'd like to see STerm modified for G-WINDOWS - particularly for downloading
 files.  While I'm answering your message, I'm downloading Ghoscript files -
 mostly huge.  Be nice if the download started a new window from within STerm.
 Could hibernate it and wait for the message to change from working to waiting.
 To monitor progress, the error count could be directed to the status window.
 Alternatively, the window can be started hibernating.  Wonder who we can get
 to do it.  Hate to add it to my list.  Only item no 1000000 - hex that is <g>.

 Have you tried 'calc' yet?  Very simple calculator but handles conversions
 from decimal to hex to binary.  Real handy when programming.

 Have fun,

 Ed

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82757 5-NOV 22:34  OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82678)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: EDELMAR

I think that viewimage does some kind of update or ? to the hard drive... I have

preloaded viewimage and the image file into memory and still see a short hard
drive access.  I am in the process of temporarily renaming files, etc. until I
can cause it to "hiccup".  Then I will know what file it is updating or reading.

One would think that modifying that feature would speed it up some.  I like your

idea of modifying the qfonts in memory, although I think one could also just
replace the largest qfont with an ANSI-PC color font set.  I don't use the large

font myself.

Allen

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82769 6-NOV 04:23  OSK Applications
     RE: G-Windows Fonts (Re: Msg 82757)
     From: PAGAN        To: AJMLFCO (NR)

 Allen,

    >I think that viewimage does some kind of update or ? to the hard
    >drive... I have preloaded viewimage and the image file into
    >memory and still see a short hard drive access.  I am in the
    >process of temporarily renaming files, etc. until I can cause it
    >to "hiccup".  Then I will know what file it is updating or
    >reading.

 No need to do so much work.  'Viewimage' opens "/dd/sys/errmsg,  probably to
 provide error messages for the g_alert() function.

    >I like your idea of modifying the qfonts in memory, although I
    >think one could also just replace the largest qfont with an
    >ANSI-PC color font set.  I don't use the large font myself.

 If you modify the qfonts in memory, you will affect _every_ program that
 uses them.  There are some programs that are hard coded to use the large and
 small fonts.  This could get real interesting during window refreshes.  If
 you do try something like this, let me know what happen - I'm curious enough
 to let someone else try it <g>.

 Stephen (PAGAN)


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End of Thread.

-*-

82529 28-OCT 06:33 General Information
     Wish List Update
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ALL

To All OS-9/OSK programmers and wanna be's:

About a year ago, I published a 'wish list' if programs I thought the OS-9
community would want.  The idea was to give all the programmers out there some
ideas so they could get busy.

Here are the results after one year....and some more suggestions. My original
comments are marked with a '>' on each line.

File Compression Utilities

>We have most of the common ones (lharc, Sea-Arc, AR, UNIX compress, etc) >A
program to combine all these together would be an excellent tool. >Better yet,
something with a graphical interface to maintain an archive >of files.  Carl
Kreider's AR code would be a good starting point if >the programmer was
considerate enough to ask Carl about it first.

Nothing much has happened here.  There is the 'extractor' program, but it could
be improved upon.

Floppy Disk Duplicators

>A dup utility would be great....with a GFX interface or not.  Should be >able
to store the entire contents of a disk in memory and then write >it out to a new

disk (or several in different drives) as quickly as >possible.  Would be great
for developers.

Nothing has happened in this area.  I was working on a utility, but stopped
after hitting a snag in the floppy driver.  That may get more work done on it
soon depending if I can overcome that snag.  We also need utilities for
formatting and reading/writing PC and Macintosh disks.

Menuing Systems

>We could use something like Xtree or like the Norton disk managers. >Should be
able to display directory trees and move/copy/delete files. >A simple text and
hex dump display would be very handy too.  A point >and click interface would be

create here.  I have code already done >for reading in directory trees so this
could be some help to anyone >wishing to work in this area.

I am not aware of anything in this area yet.  EthaWin might fit the bill, but I
haven't seen it.  I understand it is more of a text based 'gui' than an Xtree
look-a-like.

Fancy Printing on Dot Matrix Printers

>A program to print the IFF files used on the MM/1 would be great.  Also, >
something like PRINTSHOP with clip art graphics and all would be a >very useful
item.  Clip art can be bought from just about anyplace and >comes in all sorts
of standard formats like MAC, PIC, etc.  Should be >able to read one or more of
these.

John Wainwright has ported Ghostscript which certainly fits the bill here.  More

work is needed for something specific to OS-9.

Bar Coding

>Programs to read bar code wands would be very handy.  You could sell the >
hardware and utilities to read the data.  That way programmers can >use your
utilities and/or routines to include in their applications. >A library for C
could be easily developed.

Nothing done in this area at all.  Industrial users would sure like to see
something here.

Laser Printing

>Let's face it, Postscript is fast becoming the de facto page description >
language.  TeX is nice, but only used in university environments.  We >need some

utilities to take PROFF or MROFF files and generate Postscript >output,
including boldfacing and underlining.  I have some code here >from the UNIX
world that can do that is someone wants to port it.  I >also have a utility that

takes generic ASCII text files and generates >Postscript output.  Could be used
to make something much better.

We now have Lout and, of course, TeX.  Two excellent packages.  The
"Metamorphosis" magazine is done using Lout and a few other programs.

Hard Disk Backup

>The basics are done, drivers and utilities for backing up large SCSI >drives
exist now and can be purchased from IMS.  This route costs too >much for the
average hobby user, so someone could make up a FastBack >clone to floppies.  I
already have my HDBACKUP utility for OS9 and OSK, >but it is slow although very
reliable.  Someone could take that and >make it faster or develop something of
their own.  This would sell >well.

Several entries in this area, but no 'gui' based utilities yet.  The industrial
users would really like to have something that works well, is fast, and keeps a
database of the files backed up so they can easily find out which tape a certain

file is one.

Calendars and Appointment Books

>A need for good calendar programs is needed, both using the GFX windows >and
text screens.  Even better is something that will use alarms to >signal the user

when an event is reached that can be programmed >several days in advance.  Maybe

mail or send something to the printer. >Should be easy to use and have a built
in appointment editor of some sort. >Some things could be developed to replace
the standard Gcal like utilities >that will be coming out with the GUI (whenever

it appears).

Bill Wittman is working a a calendar utility, but it is not finished yet.  We
need more in this area.  This stuff can sell if it is done well and has loads of

features.

Text Editors

>We have this pretty much under control with uemacs, VI, and VED, not >to
mention the expensive stuff Ed Gresick sells.

I think we have enough in this area now.  With Write-Right! no available, I
don't think anything else is needed.

Forms Generators

>Some applications/utilities to generate forms, either for mail-merging >or
special application forms (like invoices, bill-of-sale, etc) would >be very
useful.  Should be able to work with a variety of printers. >Shouls also be in a

generic format so any text editor could be used to >create the merge files.  I
have some code here that does a good job of >this.  This could be expanded upon
to make it more functional.

Nothing done in this area.  Come on guys.....this should be pretty easy to do.

Spell Checkers/Thesarus

>A good spell checker for ASCII files is much desired.  Dictionaries of >several

hundred thousand words can be bought for a couple hundred >dollars.  Smaller
libraries can be had for free.  Should be fast and >include a word lookup
feature.  Great if it could be called from within >an application and run in a
pop-up window.

This area is covered with the public domain SC ported by Ken Scales. Someone
might want to take that and wrap a GUI around it.

Spreadsheets

>This is pretty much covered with Ken Scales SC port and Calc09 (expensive). >A
Euclid-3D type spreadsheet would be nice.

We could use something that is specific to OS-9 that can read and write Lotus
and Excel spreadsheet files.  Or, utilities to translate Lotus, Excel, and
Quattro files into a format SC could use.

Flat-File Database

>A simple PC-File type database for the masses.  Should be easy to use >and as
flexible as possible.  Should include ability to read and export >dBase files
and possibly others.  Also include datafiles from the main >spreadsheet programs

like Calc09 and SC.....maybe Dynacalc for the >CoCo people.

Still haven't seen anything here yet.  Come on guys...this would sell well.

Graphics Tools

>A "screen builder" program would allow a developer to create their >program
screens by moving buttons, slides, and other objects around on >the screen to
make it look like they want.  Then, the program would >output the code and data
structures to re-create that screen in C, BASIC09, >or whatever.  Would be a
great help for developers and probably everyone >would buy a copy.

Paul Fitch is working on something in this area.  It's good too!

>Other graphics tools would be animation builders, tools to manipulate >GIF,
TIFF, and other files into different formats, and tools to read >in clip art
done for the MAC, Atari, Amiga, or IBM and convert them >to IFF format for the
MM/1.

We need graphics conversion programs.  I have some that I will be uploading in
the future, but we need more that will work with the more common files like TIFF

and PICT files.

Business Applications

>There is a real need for these.  Payroll, accounting, ledger, checkwriter, >and

such.  Point-of-sale systems would be a good seller since you can >multitask and

run the entire store, including text editing and >communications, from the POS
system.  Could also include ability to >access cash registers (available from
places like Micro Biz) and receipt >printers.

>A good inventory system (maybe using bar code readers) that keeps track >of
what is on hand, automatic reorder, debit from the POS position, >would be very
handy for retailers.

>Shipping systems for UPS and regular post office would be good also. >
Information for calculating shipping costs is readily available.

Nothing has appeared in this area yet.  There are thousands of commercial users
out there that would like to see thing like this.  Think about it. You write a
program, sell it for say, $100.  If 1000 commercial users like it and buy it,
that's $100,000.00 in your bank.  Could you live off that for a year or two?  I
sure could!

Home Finance Programs

>If you don't think these sell look at the success of the "Quicken" >software
package.

Still something needed here.

Mathematics and Statistics

>Should be easy to do for the math minded.  We could use a good data >analysis
program including graphing and such.  I have some excellent >routines for
graphing data on the printer that could be included. >Screen graphing should
also be included.

>Mandelbrot generators would also be handy for computer science students

Also data anaylsis programs for the industrial users.  These sort of
applications command a big price if they are done well.

Bible Search

>Programs to access full texts of the Bible and the Book of Mormon would >be
very popular.  These should include some sort of hypertext features >for quick
lookup of key words and a very quick access routine.  The >full text of these
and other words are available for small fees from >several sources.

Neil Brookins has this area covered.  Needs a GUI and it is perfect!

Weather

>Utilities to access the accu-weather GIF maps from Conpuserve and make >an
animation of the weather over several hours or days would be >excellent tools.
Also, weather maps are available broadcast via the >Ham packet radio network on
a regular basis.  Tools to capture and save, >print, animate those would be good

sellers.

Accu-weather has a dial up service like Delphi for CIS for getting weather
information.  Programs to make use of this service would be a good seller to
those people that need reliable weather prediction information on a regular
basis.  Lots of potential here.

Games

>All sorts are needed from the simple chess games to the very best in >arcade
quality.  Adventure games, Star Trek games using graphics, and >simulators like
air traffic control would be widely enjoyed.

Still need some here.  Smash was recently introduced and is a good game but
simple.  We need the quality games that the MSDOS and MAC people are running,
along with stereo sound.

The list is endless.  I hope that somethings in here might stir some programmers

out there into doing one or more of these suggestions. I would be happy to talk
to anyone about these if they like.  Call me at (314) 583-1168.

Mark Griffith

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82537 28-OCT 19:56 General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82529)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark, I wish to fill some gaps in your list:

Flat file Database- ENC-9 from Northern X-Posure Good point-n-click interface -
CoCoTop from C. Dekker. This uses gfx5 driver for pull down menu boxes, other
than tha is text (similar to Etha-Win). Easy to configure on floppy or hard
drive, can launch applications in any type window (starts a new window,
 kills that window upon exit). Can even put several of your own utils in one of
the menus. Easy enough to set up, will run from a hard drive also. The only
thing some don't like is there is no source code for the HD installation
program. This makes some ol d-time OS-9 users nervous!

Home Finance - C. Dekker also has a finance program for home users that tracks
a number of items.

Accounting - C.Dekker again! He has a single entry accounting system that would
be great for small business.

Inventory - I have a good inventory/invoice database. Currently, it will print
several reports and invoices, but doesn't subtract invoice items from inventory,

which would make it nearly a complete POS system. I have this priced at $25
including source. Th e source "license" just states that copies of any modified
source needs to be sent in for consideration for future upgrades, and two free
upgrades are included for those who do send in modifications.

I've seen all these products... handled C.Dekkers line at the Atlanta 'fest.
Will get an address for you later..

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82546 29-OCT 01:13 General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82529)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark, speaking of calendars, for a more demanding user, watch for DeskTamer.

Available soon, from BlackHawk Enteprises, along with Bill Wittmans fine GCAL
program, version 1.0 of which hit my desk today.....


               David M. Graham
               BlackHawk Enterprises


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82570 30-OCT 07:53 General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82537)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: DSRTFOX

Frank,

 > Flat file Database- ENC-9 from Northern X-Posure Good point-n-click
 > interface -
 > CoCoTop from C. Dekker.
 > Home Finance - C. Dekker
 > Accounting - C.Dekker again!
 > Inventory - I have a good inventory/invoice database.

Great!  Good to see people are doing something.  I didn't know about these
items.  I'd be very interested in the inventory, accounting, and database
programs myself, if they are good.  Are these for CoCo, OS-9 Level II or OSK?

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82596 30-OCT 23:34 General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82570)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MARKGRIFFITH

All of these are for OS-9 level II except the inventory/invoice program. It runs

on level I or II, uses text screens only. I've talked to Dekker about converting

to the MM/1. Will be sending him a copy of the programming manual here on
Delphi. His address is C. Dekker, RR #4, Centreville, NB E0J 1H0, Canada. Phone
number is 506-276-4841

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82601 31-OCT 00:03 General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82596)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: DSRTFOX

Mark's whole point was a call for *MM/1* software.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

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82640 1-NOV 16:32  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82529)
     From: CBJ          To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark,
     Actually there is a POS for 6809.  The Glenside Club uses it.  POS is a
relatively easy program to write.  The hardware interface should be easy as
well.  Most cash drawer systems work of ...off of the printer to open the
drawer. The Glenside Club uses the motor on/off relay hooked to a second realasy

.... realy...ARGH relay to open the drawer.  The sytem supports 4 terminals with

a maze program running on the monitor, a hard drive and RAMpak as well as any
other thing you can fit in.  GCCC also has a bar code generator for mailing
labels.  Takes Profiles files and make bar codes on the labels.  I don't know
much about this program but can find out avbout it and see if it is written in
C or what.  Many bar code readers have an RS-232 interface.  They do the code
conversion internally.  Such a reader would fit the bill...Just need a small
program to read the ascii...there may even be such a creature in the PC sig that

is PD with source.  Anyway, I'm willing to work on the POS.  Joel Hegberg is the

original author and I've been after him to work on it some more. Maybe this post

will get him inyterested again. Carl Hey Joel you listening??????  $$$$$  ;-)

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82699 3-NOV 06:43  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82640)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: CBJ

Carl,

 > Actually there is a POS for 6809.  The Glenside Club uses it.

From what you write, it sounds like the POS you describe is a hacked up system,
not at all suitable for sale.  Also, it is again written for the CoCo.  There is

no commercial value in this.  Why would someone other than a CoCoHead want to
buy or even use this?  Can you give me any sound non-emotional reason?  There
isn't any.  So basically, there is no POS system available.

What I am referring to in my wish list is PROFESSIONAL applications that don't
have any "gee, I didn't have time to finish this, maybe someone else will"
statements in the electronic documentation.  We need applications that are
shrink wrapped and ready to run on a viable OS-9 system like OSK or OS-9000, not

hacked up pseudo-junk for a dead OS on an orphaned machine.

I know that sounds bad, especially on a forum where most of the people run said
system, but this is reality.  No amount of wishful thinking is going to make the

CoCo or applications for it a hot seller.  It's this kind of thinking that has
kept OS-9 in the closet for so long.

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82711 4-NOV 06:13  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82529)
     From: EDELMAR      To: MARKGRIFFITH


 Mark,

 I offer a POS running under OSK (also UNIX).  It is full featured; i.e.,
 includes separate retail and wholesale/distributor front ends, inventory
 management, ordering, A/R, A/P, full accounting, G/L, SQL, etc.  Can handle
 up to 99 separate organizations.  It is written in SCULPTOR.

 I have only 2 packages out under OS-9 and one of these customers is consider-
 ing converting to networking.  I have many more packages out running under
 UNIX.

 The market I address is the small to medium market - 4 to 50 users.  I don't
 address the 'mom and pop' operation.  About 5 years ago I tried to get
 approved by Tandy for their Dealer/Franchise operation.  Approval was
 denied because 1) it didn't run under MSDOS (specifically their machines)
 and 2) it didn't run under 'ViaNet'.  They've since switched the latter
 requirement to Novel.  It's a long story best told after a few drinks <g>.

 I won't get into all the marketing problems but suffice to say the dominent
 forces are NCR and IBM.  Novell, through some third party vendors, is making
 a strong push.  While OSK performance is superb, the lack a WP and spread-
 sheet kills OSK in this marketplace.

 The very low end market, 1 to say 4 to 6 users, is dominated by Real World.
 The user can start out with a single user package at under $500 and expand
 his operation using some of the low-cost networking packages available and
 they do support Novell.  They also provide interfaces to several spreadsheet
 packages, Quicken and several other packages.  Other packages are available
 from the various retail trade organizations.  Most of these packages are full-
 featured; i.e., they include the POS, inventory management, ordering, A/P,
 A/R, accounting, etc.  The strongest influence on the selection of packages
 today in the very low end market is by the owner's accountant.

 One other point.  I think the price you're suggesting is way too low.  I
 don't believe a package priced at $100 (or thereabouts) will be taken
 seriously by anyone.  See Bob van der Poel's comments re the pricing of VED
 when he tried to sell it to industrial users which appeared in the Underground
 several issues back.

 As to why my package wasn't succesfull, it's all marketing.  I couldn't afford
 a national advertising, mailing, etc. campaign.  I depended on word of mouth
 (and 2 VARs).  In retrospect, had I contacted and worked out agreements with
 several accounting firms around the country (instead of VARs), I think things
 may have turned out differently.  But it would have had to sold under UNIX.

 Ed

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82719 4-NOV 20:47  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82711)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: EDELMAR

Ed, I agree with you partially about pricing. Pricing in the industrial world is

very different from the "home market". That is a problem... if it isn't priced
sky high then the industry people turn up their noses, while those who do write
good stuff want prices way out of bounds for the average personal user. Look in
the UnderGround. How many personal users can/will pay $300-$400 for a disk
optimizer? They wouldn't even pay that in the MS-DOS market!!!

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82734 5-NOV 07:08  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82711)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: EDELMAR

Ed,

 > I offer a POS running under OSK (also UNIX).  It is full featured; i.e.,
 > includes separate retail and wholesale/distributor front ends, inventory
 > management, ordering, A/R, A/P, full accounting, G/L, SQL, etc.  Can
 > handle up to 99 separate organizations.  It is written in SCULPTOR.

That's good to know.  Thanks.

 > One other point.  I think the price you're suggesting is way too low.  I
 > don't believe a package priced at $100 (or thereabouts) will be taken
 > seriously by anyone.  See Bob van der Poel's comments re the pricing of
 > VED when he tried to sell it to industrial users which appeared in the
 > Underground
 > several issues back.

We've talked about this before, and I do agree with you.  I should have made my
example price higher.

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82740 5-NOV 13:06  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82699)
     From: CBJ          To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark,
     I did not mean to imply that a POS on the CoCo was by any means a viable
commercial product.  I think if you read my msg again you will note I was only
pointing out that one had been done for a CoCo and it wouldn't be that hard to
do the same undrer OSK.  In fact the OSK version should be even easier since the

ports (serial) and drivers are more reliable than on a CoCo.  I also pointed out

that most cash drawrs on a POS system are actau...actuated by the receipt
printer.  This makes it VERY easy to hook a cash drawer to the POS.  I couldn't
afford to buy the printer so I improvised.  As a matter of interest I intend to
have a working POS in the near future.  It will be running undrer OS9 (what
flavor I'm not quite sure) with at least 2 terminals an 2 cash drawers.  On
another tact though, the CoCo would not be ideally suited to be a host for a POS

but a 6309 based computer would be ideal IF it were designed to be a POS
machine.  It would be low cost and more than adequate to do all that was needed
for a small POS (say up to 8 terminals).  Thse are just my thoughts on the
subject.  Before you attack the CoCo POS idea again though, remember that there
are still a lot of PC and XT based POS systems in use in small businesses.  I
know, I just did a hard drive recovery on one.  The owner is a persoanal friend
of mine (but not as much now)  <grin>.  He is using an old IBM XT with a pair of

ST225's hooked to 2 terminals and one cash drawer with a receipt printer.  The
hard drive sounded like a coffee grinder.  I was able to save about 75% of the
data using PC Tools.  Oh well, best wishes, Carl

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82748 5-NOV 20:04  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82740)
     From: NIMITZ       To: CBJ

Quite true.  In fact, I am working on a deal to bring a POS system to my sales
net, that is being ported from a 6809 OS9 system to OSK.

                         David


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82760 5-NOV 22:56  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82719)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: DSRTFOX

Not so sure about your opinion of industrial software pricing.  I sure look at
price and will not pay sky-high prices unless there just is not another way to
do the job. Of course, even you might pay $1,000+ for a piece of software that
made you a thousand a day in profit! I'll guess that your experience in
industrial software prices was more likely on a government job <G>. Allen

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82770 6-NOV 04:24  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82760)
     From: PAGAN        To: AJMLFCO (NR)

 Allen,

    >Not so sure about your opinion of industrial software pricing.  I
    >sure look at price and will not pay sky-high prices unless there
    >just is not another way to do the job.

 I'm sure that most individual users look at pricing before they buy and will
 go with the cheapest package.  That is a primarily price-driven market where
 quality and/or features can be compromised to lower the price.  Also, the
 usual user doesn't have a clear idea of what he wants in a piece of software
 until it fails him.

 The industrial market expects the software they buy to be high quality and
 99.999% reliable and they are willing to pay the necessary premium ($$$) to
 get it.  They will certainly comparison shop amongst comparable packages
 and, in an ideal world, but the package with the best price and quality
 trade-off.  Of course factors like advertising, name recognition, sleeping
 with the buyer <g> all have an effect too.

 To establish OS9 in the mainstream will mean selling to those industrial
 users. That means high quality, rock-solid applications that are going to
 cost some $$$.  Once the customer base is there the cost of software will
 come down.

 Stephen (PAGAN)


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82771 6-NOV 05:21  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82719)
     From: EDELMAR      To: DSRTFOX


 Frank,

 First, I can assure you the industrial market is very price sensitive.  They
 expect a return on their investment.  It may be cutting costs or some other
 factor but the final analysis is the bottom line.  Will profits increase.
 Many are even unwilling to try new software unless the provider can present
 compelling reasons for the expenditure of time.  Remember, times are tough
 even for the blue chip Companies.  Try competing in the custom software
 arena.  Often, you have to spend many hundreds of hours writing sample soft-
 ware proving to the customer your approach is best without any compensation -
 only the hope that you will win the contract.

 > ... How many personal users can/will pay $300-$400 for a disk optimizer?
 > They wouldn't even pay that in the MS-DOS market!!!

 I don't think you're presenting a good example.  This is a utility.  As to
 whether it is overpriced or not, the market will tell.  That some can't afford
 the price shouldn't be the issue.  More correctly, is it worth the price!
 Each prospective purchaser will have to judge that for themselves.  How many
 MS-DOS users can afford Autocad?  Is it overpriced?  If we magically had
 Autocad ported to OSK, would you say $3500 is too much?  That's the MS-DOS
 price.  I know, the main market is industrial, but there are a few personal
 users who have purchased it.  Those who may have wanted it and couldn't afford
 it have purchased lower priced versions for several hundred dollars.

 The SCULPTOR development system for OSK sells for almost $3000.  Too much?
 Well, how about IMS from Clearbrook - I believe the OSK version sells (sold)
 for around $400.  I'm not familiar with the OSK version of IMS but I did try
 the CoCo version (much lower price) - it was solid.  Worked as advertised.
 Why don't we hear more about them - are they still in business?  But many
 MS-DOS personal users pay a comparable price for D-Base.

 We had Dynacalc and Stylograph for both the CoCo and OSK.  When they came
 out and for quite a while, they were as good or better than Visacalc and
 WordStar.  I do remember (in the CoCo market) people complaining about the
 prices saying they wouldn't pay that much.  Where are the Companies now?
 Where are the users who complained the loudest - most have gone to MS-DOS
 and _are_ paying those prices and more.

 The following is an extract from a message recently posted by Paul Seniura on
 the CoCoList and forwarded to me.

 > ...  Seriously,  personal OS-9 users need to see their situation for what
 > it is.  We are a marginal group of oddball hobbyists on the fringe of an
 > industrial user base.  We do not constitute a "market" that can support any
 > real business venture.   Our fate is tied more to the PD software scene than
 > to Microware.  I say program OS-9 for the fun of it and give generously of
 > your code to the community at large.  Learn, teach, and enjoy hacking OS-9.
 > If this is the spirit of the group then we'll live long and prosper no
 > matter what happens to Microware.

 Is he right?  If so, then why should I continue to advertise in your magazine?
 Your cost per subscriber is high (Byte is cheaper) and the content devoted
 mostly to the CoCo'er.  And I can apply the cost per subscriber to your two
 competing magazines with similar answers.  In fact, extending his thinking,
 you should not charge advertisers or subscribers.  Realistically, what's the
 difference between the effort someone puts into writing software and the
 effort you put into publishing your magazine?  Why should you be paid and
 the programmer not.  Of course, a further extension of that kind of thinking
 suggests that I should provide hardware free, also!

 Please don't get the idea I'm against PD software.  I'm not.  I use some
 and I was the one that brought the TOP Release 2 software to the US.  How-
 ever, the quality (user friendliness) and variety, comes nowhere near what
 is available for other OSs.  As such, it will not assist the personal OS-9
 group to 'prosper'.

 He is right that the current number personal OS-9 users cannot support any
 business venture.  However, encouragement (demand quality products, good
 support and be willing to pay realistic prices) from the personal users might
 help the personal market to grow.  But, it may already be too late.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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82774 6-NOV 06:59  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82719)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: DSRTFOX

Frank,

 > Look in the UnderGround. How many personal users
 > can/will pay $300-$400 for a disk optimizer? They wouldn't even pay that
 > in the MS-DOS market!!!

That's why Speedisk is priced at $99.95.

 Mark Griffith
 Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.
   "Cheap, But Not Trash"

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82777 6-NOV 10:06  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82770)
     From: NIMITZ       To: PAGAN

Good analysis, Stephen.   Brett Wynkoop recently wrote a package for UNIX, and
could not sell until he raised the price from $55 to $250.

z

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82784 6-NOV 17:35  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82711)
     From: THUNDERFNGRS To: EDELMAR

I have a print shop management program that I am in the process of marketing
which runs under OSK.  How many users can your POS system accomodate and what
hardware do you use under OSK?

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82787 6-NOV 19:06  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82719)
     From: PAGAN        To: DSRTFOX

    >Ed, I agree with you partially about pricing. Pricing in the
    >industrial world is very different from the "home market". That
    >is a problem... if it isn't priced sky high then the industry
    >people turn up their noses, while those who do write good stuff
    >want prices way out of bounds for the average personal user. Look
    >in the UnderGround. How many personal users can/will pay
    >$300-$400 for a disk optimizer? They wouldn't even pay that in
    >the MS-DOS market!!!

 From personal experience I can testify that the 'home market' should be
 irrelevant to software pricing for the Macintosh and IBM comtemptibles.

 One company I worked for used Macs in the sales, production and quality
 departments.  Whenever an employee bought a Mac for their home they would
 bring a box or two of disks and I would make copies of most of the company's
 commercial software for them to take home.  This was done with the de facto
 approval of management.

 The rationale for this was; if those people are using the same software at
 home as they use at work, they will also be able to take work home with
 them.  So, for the price of my time (I always did the copying on company
 time) and a few disks (new Mac owners usually stole a box or two) the
 company would be able to get some work done for free that it would have had
 to pay for otherwise.  Believe me, the balance worked in the company's favor
 just about every time.

 Others, in similar positions, have told me, when asked, that the companies
 they work for do pretty much the same thing.  This is, probably, an
 advantage that OS9 is never going to enjoy.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

-*-

82788 6-NOV 19:07  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82771)
     From: PAGAN        To: EDELMAR

 Ed,

 >Please don't get the idea I'm against PD software.  I'm not.  I use some
 >and I was the one that brought the TOP Release 2 software to the US.  How-
 >ever, the quality (user friendliness) and variety, comes nowhere near what
 >is available for other OSs.  As such, it will not assist the personal OS-9
 >group to 'prosper'.

 I believe that OSK can take some advantage of those PD programs with the
 right approach.

 For example, one thing Mark Griffith mentioned in his 'wish list' was "File
 Compression Utilities" and mentioned a few common ones: lharc, Sea-Arc, AR,
 UNIX compress, etc.  All of these are PD.

 One way to make a freindlier app is to combine all that code into one great
 big monster app with switches to decide which block to use.  This is the
 'conventional' approach.  An alternative is to create a front end that can
 recognize the files of each type and fork the proper utility with the
 correct switches.  With an environment like G-Windows, the front end could
 easily tell you what files are in the archive, let you select which files to
 extract, what's in a directory, let you select which files to add...I think
 you'll get the picture.

 This way, the programmer doesn't need access to anyone's code, the utility
 author can concentrate on what the program does and the front end can be as
 hardware specific as the author want's it to be without compromising the
 usefulness of the component utilities to the rest of us or to another front
 end.

 I realize that it would not be a trivial task to use this approach but it
 would, I think, be easier than the monolithic-mega-monster (3M!) method that
 has been the norm.  Also this technique is not adaptable to _every_ type of
 program but we have discussed, in the past, a similar approach using
 linkable subroutines - an approach which G-Windows uses to excellent
 effect.

 Stephen (PAGAN)


-*-

82789 6-NOV 19:07  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82771)
     From: PAGAN        To: EDELMAR

 Ed,

 If I had a 'magic' way (as in not having to do any work) to port Autocad to
 OSK I'd probably post it anonomously on every BBS I could reach before the
 SPA caught up with me <g>.  Of course, if I had that kind of 'magic'
 available, Autocad wouldn't be the first program I'd port.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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82798 7-NOV 04:47  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82784)
     From: EDELMAR      To: THUNDERFNGRS


 > How many users can your POS system accomodate and what hardware do you use
 > under OSK?

 There is no 'limit' per se as to how many users can use the POS.  One OSK
 system I sold used a SYSTEM IV (68000 @ 16 MHz) and was for 8 users.  When
 it was installed, we ran a test with 8 people banging away at the same time
 for about 3-4 minutes.  No one detected any difference in response viz-a-viz
 when they used the system alone.  There wasn't even any wait for the invoices
 to be printed (a 200 cps printer).  By the time they made change and reached
 to the printer to get the invoice, it was there.  I suspect this is near
 the limit if all users bang away at the same time.  But remember, this type
 of a situation is rare - in fact, the real load is probably only a few per
 cent of the real capabilities.  Look at your supermarkets.  They have rows
 of check-out counters and except at peak hours, most are unmanned.  Even
 when they are checking someone out with their bar code readers, there is
 much idle time at each location.  Incidently, this particular user had a
 couple of terminals in the back room for accounting, etc.  Originally, they
 used QuickEd for word processing but wanted a 'real' WP so they added a
 286 box.

 If a SYSTEM V is used, I'm confident over 40 users could be accommadated.

 Another point of reference for you.  The original SCULPTOR POS program
 was written for a CoCo.  I had 4 terminals hooked up to 2 of Ron Schmidt's
 (L & R Tech) Superboards.  With 3 users there was no detectable slowdown.
 Only when a 4th person started banging away was there any detectable slow-
 down but even that wasn't objectionable.

 I'd suspect your print shop management program doesn't impose any kind of
 a particular heavy load so you shouldn't need any kind of a heavy duty power
 house to run it.  But, assume you added DTP capability to the same system
 (if it were available).  DTPs require a great deal of processor time and as
 such could slow the POS down.  You can get around this by assigning higher
 priorities to the POS but this would slow the DTP down.  It's all a matter
 of balance.

 Good luck with your efforts.  If you need hardware, I'd be happy to talk
 to you.  In addition to the SYSTEMs IV & V, I sell VME systems.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

-*-

82801 7-NOV 12:03  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82787)
     From: NIMITZ       To: PAGAN (NR)

Actually Steve, I am working on a plan that will start allowing just that to
happen.   Look in  '68 Micro and OS9 UG for details..

Although, I must add, I do NOT support the blatant piracy you describe.   Cross
platform compatibility is certainly a necessity for our survival as  an OS.


                      David

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82802 7-NOV 12:27  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82787)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: PAGAN (NR)

 > departments.  Whenever an employee bought a Mac for their home they
 > would bring a box or two of disks and I would make copies of most of the
 > company's commercial software for them to take home.  This was done with
 > the de facto approval of management.
 >
 > The rationale for this was; if those people are using the same software
 > at home as they use at work, they will also be able to take work home
 > with them.  So, for the price of my time (I always did the copying on
 > company time) and a few disks (new Mac owners usually stole a box or two)
 > the company would be able to get some work done for free that it would
 > have had to pay for otherwise.  Believe me, the balance worked in the
 > company's favor just about every time.
 >
 > Others, in similar positions, have told me, when asked, that the
 > companies they work for do pretty much the same thing.  This is, probably,
 > an advantage that OS9 is never going to enjoy.
 >


Gee .... stealing from the company and infringing on software copyrights.

Probably an "advantage" the OS9 market would rather have nothing to do with.

*- Steve -*


-*-

82805 7-NOV 15:11  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82798)
     From: THUNDERFNGRS To: EDELMAR

I am particulrly interested in the hardware limits of osk multiuser systems. Do
you have serial ports and drivers for 40 users on a system V, up and running
somewhere?  You are right that my print shop management software doesnt eat upo
processer time!

-*-

82815 7-NOV 16:47  General Information
     RE: Wish List Update (Re: Msg 82771)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: EDELMAR (NR)

You are absolutly right Ed. I guess the point I was trying to make is that many
of the programs home users would buy are rather high priced. I know comparing
OS-9 to the MS-DOS market isn't exactly fair either.... but in order for OS-9 to

get into the mainstream there has to be good, reasonably priced software. The
MS-DOS crowd gets by charging less for adequate packages (try the PFS series)
due to the volume they sell. The current OS-9 market is more the opposite- they
have to charge more per item to make up "reasonable" profit. Which gets back to
why sell 10 of
 an item and make $100 off each when you can just as easily sell 1 for a much
higher price and make the same $1000 profit? Just different marketing
philosophies. In some ways, that fellow you quoted is right.. OS-9 IS currently
just a fringe market. But I don't agree with his ideas about writing software.
People like you, me, and many others are working to increase that fringe market
and (hopefully) to eventually bring it OUT of the fringes and into a larger part

of the main-stream. OS-9 needs a lot of GOOD
 $100 or less applications to gain much real interest. I'm not necessarily
talking about DBase IV and Word Perfect 5.0... more like the PFS series. Tools
that may not have all the frills, but do have the most used ones. Those are the
things that will get t he home users attention more. Professional/Industrial
users may need more than that. And maybe that's part of the problem too. There
is a very diverse market out there!! And the market segment (for OS-9) is small.

No one will agree with everything I've sai d here, I don't expect it. But we
have to get people talking about and DOING something about all this!!

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82532 28-OCT 11:51 General Information
     SCSI Bus
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL


Can anyone give me some clear answers about SCSI etiquette? Will powering up a
SCSI bus without a terminator damage devices or the host? Can devices be powered

on and off without disrupting the bus? I want to avoid damaging a scsi
controller or any attached devices. This seems to be a subject that's difficult
to get reliable data on. The documentation I have is sketchy. This isn't for any

particular system, I just want general rules for SCSI buses.

-Mike

-*-

82538 28-OCT 19:59 General Information
     RE: SCSI Bus (Re: Msg 82532)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MROWEN01

I can answer PART of your question. Powering up without a terminator will have
no physical effect on your system. You may get no operation or intermitent
operation of the SCSI devices though! In some cases, they may appear to work
just fine, then suddenly stop working.

-*-

82542 28-OCT 23:50 General Information
     RE: SCSI Bus (Re: Msg 82532)
     From: WA2EGP       To: MROWEN01

Well, ther termination avoids "ringing" on the bus.  Usually put on the "last"
device in the bus.  I don't know about powering devices on and off since all my
devices are powered on and off together.  I would imagine that a device being
switched could send some voltage spikes down the bus but I don't know if they
would damage anything but they could be interpreted as false data as a
possibility.  This is only a guess on my part.  To be safe, I wouldn't do it. (
grin)

-*-

82571 30-OCT 07:55 General Information
     RE: SCSI Bus (Re: Msg 82532)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MROWEN01

Mike,

 > Can anyone give me some clear answers about SCSI etiquette? Will powering
 > up a SCSI bus without a terminator damage devices or the host? Can devices
 > be powered on and off without disrupting the bus? I want to avoid damaging
 > a scsi controller or any attached devices. This seems to be a subject
 > that's difficult
 > to get reliable data on. The documentation I have is sketchy. This isn't
 > for any particular system, I just want general rules for SCSI buses.

You probably won't find any data anywhere on this other than personal
experiences.  I don't recommend powering on/off devices on the bus, but I have
done it myself in emergencies.  I've even unplugged SCSI devices and plugged in
new ones while everything was active without any trouble, but you are taking a
real chance doing that.

Powering up a SCSI bus without proper termination will usually result in a flaky

system.  Not always tho--depends on the SCSI devices.  I have a drive here that
works fine with no termination on it at all.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82552 29-OCT 18:36 General Information
     os9 @ MIT
     From: WKNIGHT      To: ALL

 I thought this might be of interest;

-- 18:26 --mit.bboard-- 5 MORE --help:?--Top 53%-- Andrew Bennett: Seeking
C/UNIX/OS9 type programmer           28 Oct 1993 14:05 We are looking to hire a
programmer to work on our autonomus underwater vehicle (AUV).  This could be a
UROP for pay or for credit, or a work-study type of arrangement.

The AUV Odyssey is a 2.2 meter long, 0.6 meter diameter, teardrop-shaped robot
submarine capable of diving as deep as 6,000 meters.  It is controlled by an
onboard real-time computer manufactured by OR systems and running the OS9
operating system.  OS9 is very similar to UNIX, and familiarity with UNIX and C
is sufficient to easily & quickly learn OS9.  All programming is done in C
and/or C++.  Knowlege of event-driven programming and I/O programming is
desirable, but not absolutely crucial.

The AUV Odyssey will be going under the ice of the Arctic Ocean in April '94 for

ice measurements and then to the Juan de Fuca Ridge, off the coast of Seattle,
in summer of '94 to examine hydrothermal vents.  Other missions have been
planned for the autumn of '94 and spring of '95.

If interested, please contact Jim Bellingham at X3-7136 (BELLING@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
or Andrew Bennett (X3-0653(W) 661-7068(H) abennett@mit.edu).

This is *your big chance!*  Be the Bob Ballard of the Next Century!  Insure --
18:26 --mit.bboard-- 4 MORE --help:?--Top 69%--

-Drew

-- Andrew Bennett                 MIT AUV Lab
abennett@mit.edu MIT Room E38-312
abennett%athena@mitvma.bitnet 77 Massachusetts Ave.
Phone: (617) 253-0653 Cambridge, MA  02139
<Standard disclaimers apply>
                   Johan Gaspar Spurzheim   1776-1832
                   ---> The Father of Phrenology <---

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82553 29-OCT 18:53 General Information
     RE: os9 @ MIT (Re: Msg 82552)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: WKNIGHT

I bet one of the OSk programmers here would have a GREAT shot at that one!

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82554 29-OCT 19:42 General Information
     Spell checker
     From: MROWEN01     To: MITHELEN


I've not had any success with any of the spell checker programs. When I try to
run unwords, it returns an error #234. What module is missing? I can't get any
of it to operate properly. HELP!

-Mike Rowen

-*-

82555 29-OCT 21:04 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82554)
     From: MITHELEN     To: MROWEN01

Hm... Error #234 means "Non Executable" Module... Never encountered that error
before... Did you download the binary, or did you download the source and
compile it yourself?

If I get a chance this weekend, I'll try to download those programs and check
them out... I know I have them running on my coco several years ago... but I
don't have a coco any more...

-*-

82556 29-OCT 22:00 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82555)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MITHELEN

the OS-9 Sourcebook says the the spell check programs are for 680x0..is this a
typo on MWares part? maybe that explains the error #234

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82558 29-OCT 22:58 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82556)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ILLUSIONIST

Um.. That could explain it! Ya.. it is probable that the binary is for OSK.
Which wopuld explain why I had it working on my CoCo.. I never user stuff unless

I got source with it, and compiled it my self...

-*-

82559 29-OCT 22:59 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82558)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: MITHELEN

Nah, I just d/l'd the binary only. It's definately 6809 code. It didn't give me
a #234, though.

-*-

82560 29-OCT 23:06 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82559)
     From: MITHELEN     To: RANDYKWILSON

Yep... so did I 8-)... definately a 6809 module...

-*-

82562 30-OCT 01:12 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82558)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MITHELEN

:), well, looks like someone will have to grab the source and compile it for the

CoCo. Its in C right? I hope so, I hope to get a C compiler for the coco again,
maybe I will port it over..

                                                  -* Mike

-*-

82563 30-OCT 01:15 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82560)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MITHELEN

ok, so it IS 6809 code..hmm, wonder why he got a #234..non-existant module
hmm..that sounds screwy..he should probably DL it again..

-*-

82572 30-OCT 08:50 General Information
     RE: Spell checker (Re: Msg 82555)
     From: MROWEN01     To: MITHELEN

I downloaded the executables, but I do have the source code. I'll try to compile

the source and see how things go. I followed the thread regarding the 234 error,

and that makes sense. I have never encountered this error before. I'll let you
know if the compile goes well. If anyone else happens to have success with this
code, please let me know. Thanks for your analysis (all) :).

-Mike Rowen

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82557 29-OCT 22:10 Programmers Den
     Basic Subroutines
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

Well, I have finished up the Hex and Bin to decimal subroutines, the decimal
nary is working to, decimal to hex is still giving me a problem on really high
numbers, but I think I will have that fixed sometime tonight, so far, I have
around 8 subroutines for "part 3". I was wondering if anyone had any other
ideas, I am all out, so rather than wait, I will just release this when I get
the dec > hex routine done...unless someone has a suggestion doesnt matter to
much what it is, I will give anything a shot! (the gun might backfire, but that
is a different story :) )..

                                                           -* Mike

-*-

82565 30-OCT 03:50 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic Subroutines (Re: Msg 82557)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

    Here's a generic Decimal to ANYTHING convertor...  well, almost
anything...  from base 2 to base 16...

   -- Joel.
(PS, this is probably not in the exact form you'd like it in for a
subroutine, but...)


PROCEDURE deci_to_n
PARAM parm1,parm2:INTEGER

dim decimal,nbase,t,length:INTEGER
dim temp,output:STRING

(* Define a string of digits as a 'look-up table'. *)
dim digit_table:STRING
digit_table="0123456789ABCDEF"

temp=""
output=""
decimal=parm1   \       (* First parameter is decimal value *)
nbase=parm2     \       (* Second parameter is the desired base *)
if (nbase<2 OR nbase>16) then   \       (* Can we handle the base? *)
  print "Invalid base value... valid only between 2 and 16."
  end
endif

(* Do the base conversion... *)
while(decimal>0) do     \       (* Loop until decimal equals zero *)
  temp=temp+mid$(digit_table,MOD(decimal,nbase)+1,1)
  decimal=decimal/nbase
endwhile

(* Now, reverse the order of temp into output. *)
length=len(temp)
for t=1 to length
  output=output+mid$(temp,(length-t)+1,1)
next t

print "The value in base ";nbase;" is ";output;"."
end


  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82585 30-OCT 15:27 Programmers Den
     RE: Basic Subroutines (Re: Msg 82565)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: JOELHEGBERG

:) Thanks, so that one in a base converter then, I just got the Dec -> Hex
routine though, but thanks for the base converter, I will take a look at
it..thanks..

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82576 30-OCT 09:29 General Information
     wish list notes
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark, Looking over your "wish" list I can offer a few things.

Floppy disk duplicator: my mbackup program does almost that. it was designed to
copy a disk using more then 64K on a CoCo. I can modify it to allow for multiple

destinations provided it can read the entire disk in 1 pass (if the user has
enough memory to load the whole source disk in) If interested I will make the
modifications.

JTFM is a text base file handler utility that allows copy/delete/make dir and
many options. it is great for selectivly minipulating files in a directory and
is very fast and powerful. Only "problems" with it is it will only display the
proper mfree report if 512K. It doesn't affect anything, just makes it look like

you don't have alot of memory! It also does not handle clustering for the disk
free report. Again not harmful, just the information is misleading.

I have some PD programs for the mandelbrot plots. Its not fancy but it will
generate maps.

I can suggest one game Id like to see: Missle command! its an old agame but
would be easy to make for os9 (simple line graphics) I love that game and still
play POLARIS which was the rom-pak version. That would be an easy game to make
for os9. (but im no game programmer otherwise I would have made it)

Well thats my thoughts. if you want to look at the programs i mentioned mbackup
is availabe here, jtfm isn't but I have it

Mike

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82674 2-NOV 06:51  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82576)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MIKE_GUZZI

Mike,

 > Mark, Looking over your "wish" list I can offer a few things.
 >
 > Floppy disk duplicator: my mbackup program does almost that.

OK, but it's only available as PDware and would need to be hacked on to work as
a disk duplicator.  Also, it is not available only for OS-9/6809. A version that

worked on OSK and OS-9000 is what is needed.

 > JTFM is a text base file handler utility that allows copy/delete/make dir
 > and many options.

Again, it is only available for OS-9/6809

 > I can suggest one game Id like to see: Missle command!

Why should someone spend all that time required to write a game that is almost
10 years old?

Come on people.  This wish list is for software that someone would like to buy
and use on their system as a professional, not for yet another hacker to play
with.  We need complete packaged systems, not hacked together pieces that need
this and that to work correctly.

I see the ideas, but no one will do the work required.  Why is that?

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

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82677 2-NOV 18:28  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82674)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: MARKGRIFFITH

Hi Mark--I think what's needed for OS9000 is a real good version of VPC. With
that, all or almost all msdog software becomes instantly available. It would
make a heck of a difference! <Phil>

-*-

82685 2-NOV 23:31  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82674)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

Well, I would love to code some nice apps for OSk, in hopes to attract a few new

users..however, this would require me to by an OSk system, and there is very
little chance of a good profit..if I already had a Delmar System 5 I would
probably be coding rather than typing this message..::sigh:: however I am not
rich yet..

-*-

82712 4-NOV 07:23  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82677)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: PHILSCHERER

Phil,

 > Hi Mark--I think what's needed for OS9000 is a real good version of VPC.
 > With that, all or almost all msdog software becomes instantly available.
 > It would make a heck of a difference!

I'll agree with you there!

Thanks for your reply.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82713 4-NOV 07:23  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82685)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST

 > Well, I would love to code some nice apps for OSk, in hopes to attract a
 > few new users..however, this would require me to by an OSk system, and
 > there is very little chance of a good profit..if I already had a Delmar
 > System 5 I would
 > probably be coding rather than typing this message.

Well, let me say this and then wait for the flood.  I have a few MM/1 boards
here, both mother boards and I/O boards.  If someone came to me and said, "Gee,
I have this great idea for a great application and all I need is a system to
make it on.", I might be inclined to loan that person a board set for them to
create this masterpiece on.  Of course, they would have to come up with the rest

of the system, like a monitor, keyboard, disk and hard drives, but that
shouldn't be too difficult.

Of course, all this depends upon the individual having an idea I think it
worthwhile, and having them show me some work they have already done on it.  I'm

not going to give out a board set based soley upon a whim. My goal here is to
get OSK applications written, not to give someone a new system.

Got any good ideas?

 Mark Griffith
 Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.
   "Cheap, But Not Trash"

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82718 4-NOV 20:40  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82713)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MARKGRIFFITH

Mark, there is another way to get a (relatively) inexpensive OSK system.
Peripheral Tech has some used PT68K2 boards (10MHz 68000) with 1MB of RAM for
only $99 plus shipping. One would still have to come up with a case, power
supply, keyboard, and disk drives... hard drive controller and hard drive if
desired... and also a monitor (CGA or mono would work fine).. but a complete
system can be put together for less than the all new ones cost. And OSK is $299
(? I think) form them. Now this wouldn't be K-windows compatible, but would be
generic OSK, which I believe anything written under that would run on an MM/1.
The entire system including a hard drive and monitor could be put together for
under a grand, less if parts ca n be collected from a flea market... or buy an
old 8088 machine and upgrade it with a K2 board!

-*-

82725 4-NOV 22:37  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82713)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

well, one thing I think could be of use is somesort of _good_ user interface for

terminal based apps, if the MM/1 can support , in some way more than 1 mouse,
even mouse support could be added to terminal apps, because the MM/1 uses
"standard" mice, a cordless mouse extender could be used, or  one the the mouse
extenders that DO use cords (although I would imagine that would be a pain) this

way Vt100 (or any terminal actually) could use mouse support and with the "line"

graphics could use pull down menus and such..similar to the interfaces commonly
used in DOS apps. of course a mouse wouldnt have to be used, hot keys or arrow
keys could be used too..for those that use terminals to the MM/1 (or their
coco's even) a nice UI would be nice...with a little extra work it could be used

to launch apps that have KWindows text codes hardcoded, these apps could be
called through pipes and convert the kwin codes to the terminal codes, and the
terminal arrow keys to kwin codes.. I have thought of that for the coco, but the

work involved would be a fair amount, and the coco market is small, coco users
with terminals is even smaller, but I think most OSk users probably have the
coco set up as a terminal or have a real terminal hooked up..and of course this
would run on any OSk machine, the Kwin <-> terminal code filter(s) could be an
external program or module..and actually, if Kwindow programs could be ran on
say, a TC70 (although wouldnt work right because of the screen control codes)
some programs might be able to be used on the other OSk machines..maybe.. maybe
even gfx program could be done, if there was a gfx terminal on the other end..

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82772 6-NOV 06:59  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82718)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: DSRTFOX

Frank,

 > Mark, there is another way to get a (relatively) inexpensive OSK system.
 > Peripheral Tech has some used PT68K2 boards.....
 > The entire system including a hard drive and monitor could
 > be put together for under a grand, less if parts can be collected from a
 > flea market...

That's good information to have.  However, the people I'm talking with can't
afford a couple hundred bucks let alone close to a grand for a machine.  My
offer is to GIVE a board set away, and a copy of OSK, if someone really needs
it.  Actually, it's not a giveaway, but a LOAN.


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82773 6-NOV 06:59  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82725)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)

 > well, one thing I think could be of use is somesort of _good_ user
 > interface for terminal based apps

Forget it.  What we don't need is yet another user interface.  We need the
APPLICATIONS to interface with.  Let's broaden out perspective here a little and

look at the bigger picture.  There are NOT ENOUGH good applications out there to

justify anyone other than an OS-9 nut to buy one of these machines.  The only
place where OSK has any broad user base is in the industrial/commercial market.
So, WE NEED NEW APPLICATIONS THAT CATER TO THEM!  Not a user interface for
CoCoHeads.

Look at my wish list again and see what I'm talking about.  If you have any
other ideas, let me know.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82778 6-NOV 10:15  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82773)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)

Steamed a bit, are we?  ;)

Actually, folks, CocoHeads comment aside, Mark has the right of it here. We need

applications.  We have standards.   And some people out there complaining about
buggy software just might check their cheap EQUIPMENT first. I recently became
able, for the first time, to duplicate what some have reported as bugs in
KWindows.   B ugs there may be, but THIS bug was directly related to my MOUSE.
The button switch loosened up until one button would click itself!  Just
happened to be the 3rd button, that shifted me from one window to another.   So,

1)  Demand more applications, and WR ITE them, and 2)  avoid equipment that is
too cheap. (not inexpensive,  just CHEAP).

                   David

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82780 6-NOV 10:24  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82778)
     From: CBJ          To: NIMITZ

David,
     I must agree with you about the software.  Too often I find software that
should not be sold a as a commercial product in our niche market because it is
full of bugs but before I complain about it I check to see if it runs undre
stock OS-9 and stock drivers and descriptors.  Too often something I've done to
my system is the culprit.
 Carl

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82781 6-NOV 10:45  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82780)
     From: NIMITZ       To: CBJ (NR)

That is one reason to have a standards committee. We need to have a
certification system for system 'upgrades', or for software that sets out for
the user just what mods it WILL work with.  among other things!


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82804 7-NOV 12:27  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82772)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)

 > That's good information to have.  However, the people I'm talking with
 > can't afford a couple hundred bucks let alone close to a grand for a
 > machine.  My offer is to GIVE a board set away, and a copy of OSK, if
 > someone really needs it.  Actually, it's not a giveaway, but a LOAN.
 >

Be sure to post a similar message to CompuServe and the COCO LIST about your
offer of a MM/1 loaner, eh?!

You should be able to send mail from DELPHI to the list via MAIL even tho you're

subscribed to the LIST under a different account.



*- Steve -*


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82817 7-NOV 16:58  General Information
     RE: wish list notes (Re: Msg 82804)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)

Mark, I probably have "Dirt Cheap" address around here somewhere, but if you'll
compose a short blurb on the loaner machines, including your address, I'll print

it in the news section of "68' micros"

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End of Thread.

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82578 30-OCT 10:59 General Information
     os9 ug
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

Anyone here have the latest address for the OS9 UG???


     Also, what is Carl Boll's username, since the database seems to have no
record of him....   Thanks!


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82580 30-OCT 12:46 General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82578)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NIMITZ

The OS-9 Users Group Inc. address is:
        OS-9 Users Group, Inc.
        6158 W 63rd St., Suit 109
        Chicago, IL
        USA
        60638
Carl Boll (The current User Group President) can be contacted my E-Mail at:
        CBJ@Delphi.com
or
        carlboll@sandv.chi.il.us
--
Paul Jerkatis
OS-9 Users Group, Inc.: V.P. of Communications

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82586 30-OCT 17:02 General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82580)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MITHELEN

Thanks, Paul.  Would be interested in more info re: UG structure, for an article

I'm writing....

             David

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82590 30-OCT 18:19 General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82586)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NIMITZ

Expect to see a User Group update soon in the MOTD, and posted to the various
BBS Services/Newsgroups that relate to OS-9.
--
Paul Jerkatis
OS-9 Users Group, Inc.: V.P. of Comunications

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82597 30-OCT 23:36 General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82590)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: NIMITZ

You'll be getting a copy of the new UG constitution shortly... reprinted with
permission in "68' micros". They will be going out to the post office Monday...
I just finished placing mailing labels and stamps today!

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82641 1-NOV 16:38  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82578)
     From: CBJ          To: NIMITZ

Dave,
     I'm CBJ here on Delphi but you can just call me Carl  <Grin>.  The address
for the OS-9 Users Group is:
 The Os-9 Users Group
 6158 W. 63rd St.
 Suite 109
 Chicago, il  60638.

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82645 1-NOV 20:58  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82597)
     From: NIMITZ       To: DSRTFOX

Thanks, Frank.   Working hard on my article.   Want to call for a plan that is
workable, current, and containing potential to move the market place forward by
years.....


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82646 1-NOV 20:59  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82641)
     From: NIMITZ       To: CBJ

Thanks, Carl.  I'm getting forgetful in my old age.   My Significant other says
all men lose it after 30!!  ;)


                 David

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82648 1-NOV 21:03  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82646)
     From: MITHELEN     To: NIMITZ

Nah.. Not all men... I lost it after 19... I think it might have had something
to do with the drinking Age being 19 in Minesota when I went to collage.
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

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82651 1-NOV 21:11  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82648)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MITHELEN

Glad I'm not alone.   Almost makes me wish I liked beer though.   Need SOME
EXCUSE!!  :(


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82659 1-NOV 23:52  General Information
     RE: os9 ug (Re: Msg 82648)
     From: THESCHU      To: MITHELEN

Hey Paul,
  I've got that Micropolis 70 megger that just needs the motor control board
looked at give me a jingle any way you can. Brian schubring > THESCHU <

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End of Thread.

-*-

82584 30-OCT 15:04 General Information
     MM1-68340
     From: JOHNREED     To: ALL

 I got one of the MM/1 68340 accelerator boards at the
 Atlanta 'Fest.  Zack Sessions has already posted an
 excellent technical description and review of the upgrade,
 but I thought I would add a couple notes on my own
 experience with the faster system - and a couple more
 "gotcha"s.

        I did not have the "slow" PAL chips on my I/O board, but
 just when I thought I was safe, I discovered some on the
 8-meg memory board.  Replacing them was not as hard as I
 thought it would be, but not a job for someone without
 experience in repairing electronics.  Like a famous coach
 said about passing is a football game -- "Three things can
 happen - two of them are BAD".

        It is, of course, FASTER.  Thats why we bought it.  The
 TeX and PostScript (and Ghostscript) programs I have been
 playing with lately take a lot of time.  Building a new font
 for TeX ran about 15 minutes before, now its about 7.  I
 don't have a "dhrystone" program (or even a whetstone), but
 I can easily see the increase in speed.  I did run the
 little basic "benchmark" program that Frank Hogg posted some
 time ago, and the 68340 came in right about where you would
 expect it.

 Results of Frank's basic benchmark
 (the program)
  SHELL "date -j"
  FOR j=1 to 12
    FOR i=1 to 1000
      a=SQRT(i)
      b=INT(a)
      IF a=b THEN a=b
      ENDIF
    NEXT i
  NEXT j
  SHELL :date -j"

 (Frank's posted results)
  Year  Model    Speed   CPU   FPU   Seconds

  '92   KiX\30  33 Mhz  68030  Yes      2
  '92   KiX\30  25 Mhz  68030  Yes      3
  '92   KiX\30  16 Mhz  68030  Yes      5
  '87   QT20x   12 Mhz  68020  Yes     12
  '92   KiX\30  33 Mhz  68030   No     14
  '92   KiX\30  25 Mhz  68030   No     19
  '92   KiX\30  16 Mhz  68030   No     29
  '90   TC70*   15 Mhz  68070   No    105
  '85   QT+     10 Mhz  68000   No    105
  '84   QT       8 Mhz  68008   No    219

  * On board memory only.

 (my MM/1)
 mm1 68340      16.59   68340   N/A    35

        It boots from the hard drive.  Twice it has stumbled a
 little on a cold start when it looked for the drive before
 it was up to speed, but it got it on the second try.  Both
 of my hard drives, a 40 meg conner and a 40 meg quantum work
 fine as "/dd".

        Zack said he got a new "shell" -- I didn't.  I have the
 same shell I had before.  Also, "dEd" runs fine - but that
 is probably because of the different shell.  I asked Kevin
 Pease about that new "shell" - he said he didn't know where
 that came from.  Apparently Zack got an accidental "gift"
 from somewhere.

        Windows have a little quirk - changing colors on one
 window does it to all of them.  Kevin Pease has a fix,
 provided by a well known OS9 Guru - he said he would upload
 it very soon.

        I have heard of problems with MM/1's talking to
 printers, especially with long cables, but I was getting
 away with it up to now.  I had ribbon cables from the MM/1
 and a big ugly "386" running to switch boxes, and parallel
 cables from the boxes to the Epson and the Deskjet so I
 could switch either printer to either computer.  --- No
 more.  With the faster CPU, the MM/1 wants a short cable
 directly to the printer.  (I can live with it).

        The reason I haven't said a lot in the forum about my
 new toy is that it had this little problem -- every once in
 a while, especially after a cold start, it would trash the
 hard drive.  It seems there was this little timing problem
 that required some attention from Kevin Pease.  The good
 news here is the response I got on the problem.  I bought
 the upgrade at the "Blackhawk" booth in Atlanta, which was
 manned by Bill Whitman (another IMS rep).  When I decided
 something was wrong, I called Bill (put a message on his
 machine), and left CIS email for Kevin Pease.  BOTH of them
 called me at home within a day.  Both had suggestions and I
 tried them all - but finally had to send the insides of my
 machine to Kevin.  He tracked down the problem, made a new
 PAL to correct it, called to let me know he had it fixed,
 sent it back, and called me again today, just to make sure I
 had it running OK.

        As Delphi and CIS OS9 forum regulars know, response from
 IMS has, in the past, been..  well...  less than
 outstanding.  Paul Ward has not appeared on CIS or Delphi
 for many moons.  ((I think Frank Hogg ran him off.  Frank
 was mean to him.  Look ashamed, Frank.))(GRIN)

        David Graham (Blackhawk) (NIMITZ) has obviously been
 trying to correct the situation.  Although he was not at the
 Atlanta 'fest himself, David left his booth in good hands.
 I am very pleased with the 68340 and the quick technical
 support.

        Like Zack, I feel my money was well spent.  Get one.
 Check with David Graham (NIMITZ) for current price and
 delivery time.

           John R. Wainwright

 <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

 *********** InfoXpress ************

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82589 30-OCT 18:19 General Information
     RE: OS9 Buyers Club (Re: Msg 81743)
     From: AYUSKO       To: FHOGG

I didn't get anything yet.
   Alex A. Yusko (AYUSKO)

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82591 30-OCT 18:36 Programmers Den
     RE: IndiPWB (Re: Msg 81735)
     From: AYUSKO       To: ILLUSIONIST

Still interested, hope the fact that i haven't had a chance to call Delphi until

now isn't a bad sign. :-)
   Alex A. Yusko (AYUSKO)

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82600 30-OCT 23:57 Programmers Den
     RE: IndiPWB (Re: Msg 82591)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: AYUSKO

ok, I will see if I can find the freeware source, I sent the source to NIMITX
oopps, make that NIMITZ, he is going to port it to the MM/1. The source I gave
him is the newest version, when he gets the MM/1 version going, he is going to
sell it, and the CoCo version (which includes a bunch of other stuff not in the
free version) I think I may have deleted the shareware source, since I am not
working on it anymore..yep, just checked not on my HD, I may still have it on
floppy somewhere if I can find it, I will definatly send it to you

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End of Thread.

-*-

82592 30-OCT 18:50 Programmers Den
     RE: linked lists (Re: Msg 81782)
     From: AYUSKO       To: PHILSCHERER

As far as I can tell, Chris has pretty much answered your questions but I'd like

to add the suggestion for his index file, that if the INDEX fits into memory at
once, it'll be a lot easier and faster to make changes. It could all be done in
memory, and only write it out when you're done.
   Alex A. Yusko (AYUSKO)

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82609 31-OCT 08:28 Programmers Den
     RE: linked lists (Re: Msg 82592)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: AYUSKO

Thanks Alex--I appreciate your input. <Phil>

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End of Thread.

-*-

82593 30-OCT 18:52 Applications (6809)
     RE: 132-column windows (Re: Msg 81753)
     From: AYUSKO       To: ISC

Ok, good luck. As for any ideas, I have to go now, when I can get back, who
knows ?
   Alex A. Yusko (AYUSKO)

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82594 30-OCT 21:34 OSK Applications
     OSKFAX archive?
     From: JEJONES      To: ALL

Has anyone successfully unarchived os9fax.lzh, recently uploaded here?  When I
have tried, I got a large quantity of odd messages of the form

LHa: Why? ROOT

intermixed with reports of inability to extract the various files in the .lzh
file.  lha -l works fine, but lha -e doesn't.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated. *** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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82598 30-OCT 23:41 OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82594)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JEJONES

Gee, I got it to pop out OK (I think).  At least it came out without any lha
errors.  I'm using edition #2 of lha but I could have used edition #11 of lharc
instead.  I do think I used lha since I use that unless I get and error with it,

then I would try lharc.  Anyway, I think I d/l'ed it to either a COMM directory
and used extractor (edition 10) or to root and just did lha -xv (cuz I like to
see what is going on).  Really forgot which I did but I did get it to unarchive.

I used sterm to d/l it.  Hope this helps.   Bob

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82612 31-OCT 09:53 OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82594)
     From: JOHNREED     To: JEJONES


 > LHa: Why? ROOT
 >
 > intermixed with reports of inability to extract the various files in the .lzh

 > file.  lha -l works fine, but lha -e doesn't.
 >
 > Any suggestions would be much appreciated. *** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***
 >

I haven't picked up the Fax file yet, but I did run into that error message
recently.  I had to rebuild my CMDS dir from backups and wound up with an older
version of lharc.  Changing to a newer lharc made the errors go away.



           John R. Wainwright

 <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

 *********** InfoXpress ************

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82632 1-NOV 03:41  OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82594)
     From: EDELMAR      To: JEJONES


 James,

 I successfully burst os9fax.lzh using version 2.06 of LHa.  Just used
 lha -x.

 I had problems with the earlier version of LHa - 2.01 I think.  Mostly it
 worked, but sometimes not.  I'm now using version 2.06, the latest, and it
 has worked flawlessly so far.  Went back and was able to burst files I
 wasn't able to burst previously.  This is on the SYSTEM IV (68000) and the
 SYSTEM V (68020).

 Ed

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82635 1-NOV 06:42  OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82632)
     From: JEJONES      To: EDELMAR

Thanks for the reply.  Looks like I got an older version of lha, and need to
upgrade.


*** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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82647 1-NOV 21:00  OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82594)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JEJONES

Try LHARC, James.  worked for me....


          David


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82670 2-NOV 02:57  OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82647)
     From: JEJONES      To: NIMITZ

 > Try LHARC, James.  worked for me....

Hmmmm...which version of lharc do you have?

*** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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82676 2-NOV 07:03  OSK Applications
     RE: OSKFAX archive? (Re: Msg 82670)
     From: NIMITZ       To: JEJONES

I have lharc 1.02 and lha 2.01 and one or the other did the job.  Good luck
James!


              David

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End of Thread.

-*-

82595 30-OCT 23:06 OSK Applications
     KWindow programming
     From: VAXELF       To: ALL

  I was wondering. When making a KWindow program, can a hot spot be assgned a
menu item?? What I want to do is instead of having a pull down menu item, I want

to click on the menu item and have it execute the subroutine. Right now I have
to pull down the menu item and then have it call the subroutine. also can a pull

down menu call another pull down menu. Something like this is mentioned in
Kevin's KWindow Docs, but I'm a little fuzzy on how it is suppose to be done.

John D.

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82602 31-OCT 00:03 OSK Applications
     RE: KWindow programming (Re: Msg 82595)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: VAXELF

All you need to do is define the menu item with no elements. And when you are
finished doing your processing, do an _ss_ubar() to refresh the menu bar.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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82613 31-OCT 12:33 OSK Applications
     RE: KWindow programming (Re: Msg 82602)
     From: VAXELF       To: COLORSYSTEMS

Thanks, I'll try that.

John D.

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End of Thread.

-*-

82608 31-OCT 06:55 Games & Graphics
     Tiles / MM1
     From: KEITHBAUER   To: ALL

Well I haven't seen anyone else list any of thier fast times in solving a Tiles
board so I thought I would get it rolling. Here are my 2 fastest times.

Board: Triangle Game : 2 Time : 4:35

Board: Triangle Game : 3 Time : 4:48

This really is a fun game!

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith Bauer

 CIS     :71102,317
 Delphi  :keithbauer
 Internet:keithbauer@delphi.com

 Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01                     How 'bout them Cowboys!
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


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82616 31-OCT 16:11 Games & Graphics
     RE: Tiles / MM1 (Re: Msg 82608)
     From: MITHELEN     To: KEITHBAUER

You aught to try using the "joe" tile set.. that signicantly increases the
dificulty...

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82732 5-NOV 06:41  Games & Graphics
     RE: Tiles / MM1 (Re: Msg 82616)
     From: KEITHBAUER   To: MITHELEN

 > You aught to try using the "joe" tile set.. that signicantly increases
 > the dificulty...
 > You are right about that, I just loaded that one up. I can't tell if there
are any that match or not :-)

 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith Bauer

 CIS     :71102,317
 Delphi  :keithbauer
 Internet:keithbauer@delphi.com

 Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01                     How 'bout them Cowboys!
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


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82741 5-NOV 17:19  Games & Graphics
     RE: Tiles / MM1 (Re: Msg 82732)
     From: MITHELEN     To: KEITHBAUER

Ya, the differences are VERY subtle...It also helps if you have a better quality

monitor. Course, my most favorate set is called "blank"... heh, I guess "blank"
is ment for createing new sets from scratch... otherwise, it is just a trial and

error thing 8-)

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End of Thread.

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82614 31-OCT 12:37 OSK Applications
     ANSI Color Seq.
     From: VAXELF       To: ALL

  What is the ANSI code to for color changes.
    ESC [ ? ? ?

John D.

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82633 1-NOV 03:41  OSK Applications
     RE: ANSI Color Seq. (Re: Msg 82614)
     From: EDELMAR      To: VAXELF


 John,

 >  What is the ANSI code to for color changes.

 ESC [ <p0> ; . . ; <p(n)> m

    where p(n) =

       30 - Black Foreground
       31 - Blue Foreground
       32 - Green Foreground
       33 - Yellow Foreground
       34 - Red Foreground
       35 - Magenta Foreground
       36 - Cyan Foreground
       37 - White Foreground
       40 - Black Background
       41 - Blue Background
       42 - Green Background
       43 - Yellow Background
       44 - Red Background
       45 - Magenta Background
       46 - Cyan Background
       47 - White Background
       50 - Black Border
       51 - Blue Border
       52 - Green Border
       53 - Yellow Border
       54 - Red Border
       55 - Magenta Border
       56 - Cyan Border
       57 - White Border

 Ed

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82657 1-NOV 22:58  OSK Applications
     RE: ANSI Color Seq. (Re: Msg 82633)
     From: VAXELF       To: EDELMAR

  thanks Ed,

John D.

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End of Thread.

-*-

82615 31-OCT 15:44 Telecom (6809)
     BBS Listings
     From: ZOGSTER      To: ALL

Re: BBS Listing for the OS9 Underground

Wanted to thank all of you who submitted your BBS list to me.... thanks!

They will appear in the next issue (Vol 1, Issue 12), which continues the
Communications issue.    The main reason for asking for BBSes to be submitted
individually was to ensure their correctness... so many list have BBSes that are

no longer in existance.   Nothing more infuriating to make a long distance call
for nothing!

Also, please note, those of you who have tried to reach me on AOL as ZOGster
@aol.com <---  This account does not work!   Instead, please use:
        EditorOS9U@AOL.com

-ZOG ZOGster (Delphi) EditorOS9U@AOL.com (Prefered email) OS9UNDER@AOL.com  (For

submissions, letters to editor, etc) TheFatCat@AOL.com (The Underground's Mail
List)

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82626 31-OCT 22:12 Telecom (6809)
     RE: BBS Listings (Re: Msg 82615)
     From: JEJONES      To: ZOGSTER (NR)

 > The main reason for asking for BBSes to be
 > submitted individually was to ensure their correctness... so many list
 > have BBSes that are no longer in existance.   Nothing more infuriating to
 > make a long distance call for nothing!

Well...perhaps more infuriating is to happen to get the phone number of a former

BBS, so first time, always dial manually, and if a human answers, be sure to
pass along to the place where you found the number that there's no longer a BBS
there.  I remember long ago dialing what I thought was a BBS number and getting
an elderly woman who was quite upset at getting a bunch of calls with modems at
the other end.

*** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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End of Thread.

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82617 31-OCT 16:36 General Information
     Help with 3-N-1
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

My 15V AC adapter for my 3-N-1 board just died.  I was actually using the AC
adapter for the DCM-5 modem which has the same voltage requirements.  Would
anyone have a spare DCM-5 modem power adapter they would be willing to sell?

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82662 2-NOV 00:21  General Information
     RE: Help with 3-N-1 (Re: Msg 82617)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: BOISY

hey! there are many transformers around that would work! at around $7.50
each.......... Just look around!<grin>Dennis

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End of Thread.

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82619 31-OCT 19:01 General Information
     help with fidonet?
     From: THEROOKIE    To: ALL

Okay, can anybody tell me how to send E-mail using Fidonet thru Delphi? Mark
Griffith asked me to send something to him at the return address od mark
@datapage.com.  Delphi tells me invalid something or other. Any hints how to do
this???
     Thanks!
       Tom

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82622 31-OCT 20:46 General Information
     RE: help with fidonet? (Re: Msg 82619)
     From: MITHELEN     To: THEROOKIE

I believe you mean Internet, not Fidonet.... but to answere your question, you
would use:
        IN%"mark@datapage.com"
as the To address from Delphis mail utility... note, you must be an Internet
subscriber on Delphi to send Internet mail from Delphi. Also... note that mark
does have a Delphi account (MARKGRIFFITH) so maybe you don't really need to send

to his other account?

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82644 1-NOV 20:36  General Information
     RE: help with fidonet? (Re: Msg 82622)
     From: THEROOKIE    To: Y (NR)

Thanks, Paul, I kind of thought that.  Yes, I did send it to Mark here on
Delphi.
   Tom

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End of Thread.

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82620 31-OCT 20:17 General Information
     Coco conversion
     From: MROWEN01     To: DSRTFOX


     Well, I tore my TRS-80 4/p apart this weekend to look at putting a Coco 3
in it for my "luggable". The keyboard is very similar to the Coco. It's just a
bunch of micr switches and a 16 conductor cable. I haven't had time to compare
the keyboard matrix to see if it's even close to the Coco, but it looks like it
might be worth the trouble of wiring it for a Coco. I plan to just build a two
floppy portable and keep the hard drive in my big PC case system. Any idea where

I might dig up some tech data on the 4/P? I haven't dealt with Tandy for some
time. My local store can't even spell PC. They haven't been very helpful. I
suppose I should try a bigger town maybe. I specifically need to know how the
video hook up should work. I'm looking forward to your article on using the
XPander board. I'll keep you posted on my progress with this project.

Thanks -Mike Rowen

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82663 2-NOV 00:23  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82620)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MROWEN01

I have "THE" manual,if you want it! give buzz on Mail! dennis

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82673 2-NOV 06:14  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82663)
     From: MROWEN01     To: COCOKIWI

I would like "THE" manual. I can't find your user name to send you email.

-Mike

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82680 2-NOV 21:04  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82673)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MROWEN01

If the keyboard has a sixteen conductor cord, you can at the very least mount a
CoCo keyboard in the keyboard shell and use the existing cord. The video should
be pretty easy IF it is pure composite. It should have a single wire that is
sheilded going between the computer and monitor. If not, let me know what DOES
go between the computer and
 monitor or monitor circuit board and maybe we can figure it out.


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82690 3-NOV 04:26  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82673)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MROWEN01

Tis at the top of this message<grin> <CoCoKiwi>..or any other for that mater!
<OK!> Dennis <COCOKIWI>

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82703 3-NOV 14:45  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82680)
     From: MROWEN01     To: DSRTFOX

All of the power and video connections appear to be made at one corner of the
motherboard. All wires are twisted pairs. I haven't actually pulled the 4/P
completely apart yet. It's difficult to see which wires are connected to
thevideo board. I'll have to pull the front cover off to see what's really going

on. I don't see any obvious shield wire. Perhaps a twisted pair is enough for
this short run. I'll look at it closer tonight. I'm also trying to get a tech
manual for the 4/P. I still haven't had time to compare the keyboard matrix to
the Coco 3. All of the key switches on the 4/P keyboard have accessable solder
points though. With a little work I can rewire the whole thing to work with a
Coco. I would imagine the video is composite too.

-Mike

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82710 4-NOV 03:03  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82703)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MROWEN01

I just dug up TWO manuals for the 4p....this is what we got!

    Model 4/4p Tech Ref manual.....

 ORG..radio shack SERVICE manual for the 4p,4p gate array........ AND the tandon

disk drive manual TM5U-1 and -2 thinline series...5.25" 40 tracks dated
1983!<grin>.these are the drives that were in that beast ...Ok!

 Here,s a qicky...<grin>    KEYBOARD.....

          9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16      17 18 19 20
          ^  ^   ^   ^   ^   ^   ^   ^       ^  ^  ^  ^
    1 >   @  A   B   C   D   E   F   G     + 5v * gnd *

    2 >   H  I   J   K   L   M   N   O

    3 >   P  Q   R   S   T   U   V   W

    4 >   X  Y   Z

    5 >   0  1   2   3   4   5   6   7
             !   "   #   $   %   &   '
    6 >   8  9   :   ;   ,   -   .   /
          (  )   *   +   <   =   >   ?        Shift chr,s are the lower ones
    7 >  Entr Clr Brk ^  v   <   >  space

    8 >  L-shft R-shft Ctrl Caps

 1   2   3   4   5   6   7       Num/key part
    6 >   8  9                   .
    7 >  Enter
    8 >                  F1  F2  F3




not too much difference between them..the only differences
 are in the shift/ctrl keys...

1st 3 are ok..follows exactly...up to Z..... then things change just a
little,the up/down left/right..space are on that line....0 to 9 and the
punctuation keys are ok. enter/clr  ..brk..alt ctrl...f1/f2/f3  ......are a
little out and shift left/right are at opposing ends<grin> close though!

a GOOD modifiable keyboard!

Dennis

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82721 4-NOV 20:52  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82710)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MROWEN01

If the video appears to be twisted pair instead of shielded, it probably is
composite, as TP is fine for that type signal. You should be able to use it with

no problem, and Dennis says the keyboard also. I might have a diagram on
rewiring that keyboard.... at least I know I do for a Model I keyboard. Just
might be the same. Will try to remember to look it up and send you a copym,
provided you send me a mailing address!!

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82727 4-NOV 23:22  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82721)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DSRTFOX

I have the complete Service manual for it!and am waiting for him!<grin> to
contact me,re sending it!...... the video is pin 2  horz..= 6  vert= 9  gnd = 10

on the video board....Dennis

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82813 7-NOV 16:32  General Information
     RE: Coco conversion (Re: Msg 82727)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: COCOKIWI (NR)

I guess he knows you're waiting on hime then? I guess we need to know what kind
of signals the horizontal nad vertical are. They should be the same as for the
KayProII though. Just connect hor and vert to the same on the CoCo3 RGB port,
and use the Green signal for video.. or "OR" everything (R,G,& B) together like
was done for the KayPro monitor, through germanium diodes.

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End of Thread.

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82623 31-OCT 21:46 General Information
     Window descriptors
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

Can someone tell me the offsets in a window descriptor for the forground,
background, border colors, x/y coordinates to make a window "full screen" also,
I want to make all my windows 80 col. white on black. Actually, I guess I just
really need to know the color info, since my /term and w7 are 80 col. white on
black, w7 is white on blue. Also, is there anyway to customize OS-9 start
PALLETES, I mean, the default registers dont contain any colors I really want,
white on black is boring, green foreground is annoying, and I dont like cyan..
:( I would really like to have a window with AMBER or orangish foreground color,

but there isnt a default color to do this, I guess it would be a mod. to CC3io,
any ideas?

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82625 31-OCT 22:10 General Information
     RE: Window descriptors (Re: Msg 82623)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike, take a look in the OS9 manual, tech reference section, pages 6-7 and 6-8.
Really, everything you need is on 6-8. This is a table of the meaning of each
byte in a SCFdescriptor. You'll be interested in COL, ROW, STY, CPX, CPY, FGC,
BGC, AND BDC. Those control how big, where it starts, what type, and the colors.

  Long, *long* ago, I patched my system to use different default colors. And,
yes, one of the foreground is amber. I'll have to dig out the info on where to
patch, though. Harass me if I don't get back to ya soon. :>

  Randy

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82630 1-NOV 03:09  General Information
     RE: Window descriptors (Re: Msg 82625)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: RANDYKWILSON

Thanks Randy, I _knew_ those had to be in the manual somewhere, just didnt know
where! I tried the WINDOWS section, and the MV manual, but all that is in there
is the "fluffy" stuff.. control codes, window types, etc...and the mv manual?
forget it, its best use is to start a campfire.. :)

thanks for the info, I will get back to ya on the default colors..

        -* Mike

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End of Thread.

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82624 31-OCT 22:08 Users Group
     OS-9 Users Group Announcement - New Offi
     From: MITHELEN     To: ALL

This is an Official OS-9 Users Group, Inc. corespondance, announcing the
new Board members and Officers that were instated at the OS-9 Users Group
meeting at the 1993 Atlanta CoCoFest.

                 OS-9 USERS GROUP BOARD MEMBERS AND OFFICERS
                                  Verson 1.00
                                October 29, 1993

     Board of Directors:

     Carl Boll, president of the OS-9 Users Group and chairman of the
                board

     Colin McKay, executive vice president of the OS-9 Users Group and
                  member of the board.

     There are three Directors-At-Large who are board members:

     Ed Gresick,
     Mark Griffith, and
     Steven Weller.

     The officers of the organization and their offices are:


        NAME                  OFFICE

     Carl Boll,             president
     Colin McKay,           executive vice president
     Brian Goers,           vice president OS-9 6809
     Eddie Kuns,            vice president OS-9
     Paul Jerkatis,         vice president communications
     Brother Jeremy,        treasurer
     Howard Luckey,         secretary
     Zack Sessions,         software librarian
     Joel Hegberg,          publication editor

     Howard Luckey
     Secretary
--
 Paul Jerkatis - OS-9 Users Group, Inc.: V.P. of Comunications
 SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

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82627 1-NOV 01:56  Programmers Den
     X-PAD
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: BOISY

Boisy,

    Could you post the memory locations for the X-PAD device? (X- and Y-
pen positions and the pen-control location.)  I appreciate it greatly!




  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82629 1-NOV 02:15  Games & Graphics
     Mandelbrot Set
     From: RICHKOTTKE   To: ALL


How many CoCo users out there in Delphiland have an HP DeskJet 500C or 550?

I have a huge 9-page poster size Mandelbrot set image that you can print out on
your color deskjet (it almost uses up an entire ink cartridge), cut & laminate
together and hang on your wall.  It's in 8 colors at 300 dpi for an effective
resolution of 7200 x 9000  (24" x 30").  Took about 2 CPU weeks to compute on my

spare COCO-3; the 9 files combined are about 4 MEG; to print out each page you
simple send the file straight to the printer - they're text files with the
graphics codes embedded (so come to think of it you don't even need a CoCo to
print them out ...)

I will not post them unless I get at least 3 responses to this because it would
take an entire Saturday afternoon to upload them at 2400 Baud.


   -Rich

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82631 1-NOV 03:24  Games & Graphics
     RE: Mandelbrot Set (Re: Msg 82629)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: RICHKOTTKE

I have a 500C,its not on my CoCo, I have it tied to my UNIX system, I would be
interested in this file..if you dont get get enough responses to upload them, I
would be willing to send you a few diskettes (OS-9 720k), unless you have a PC
that can spit out 3.5 1.44 meggers.. you might want to ask in the Desktop
publishing forum too, I doubt many cocoers will have 500c's but PC users, is
another story, I am sure more than 3 people on delphi would grab it, its a
matter of getting them to the right place, btw, is that 4meg ARCHIVED!! or in
straight text?

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82688 3-NOV 00:45  Games & Graphics
     RE: Mandelbrot Set (Re: Msg 82631)
     From: RICHKOTTKE   To: ILLUSIONIST


Yep, 4 Meg archived!  (you figure it out - 7200 x 9200 bits x 3 planes = 23 Meg
unarchived)

   -Rich

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82695 3-NOV 06:08  Games & Graphics
     RE: Mandelbrot Set (Re: Msg 82688)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: RICHKOTTKE

WHEW! I had better DL it you my UNIX boxes hd then huh? :)

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End of Thread.

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82636 1-NOV 06:56  OSK Applications
     RE: Gzip (Re: Msg 81569)
     From: MIKEHAALAND  To: JOHNBAER

Thanks for the kind words.  Have fun grabbin those net .GZ files :)

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82639 1-NOV 09:10  General Information
     X-Pad Addresses
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

$FF60 = X position (0-255) $FF61 = Y position (0-255) $FF62 = Status Byte:
         0 = Pen not down, uouto of range of Pad
         1 = Pen down, off Pad
         2 = Pen near Surface (within 1")
         3 = Pen down on Display Area or on bottom margin
         4 = Pen not within 1" of X-margin
         5 = X-Margin and Pen down
         6 = Pen touching paper on X-margin but Pen not down
         7 = Pen down on X-margin
         8 = Pen not within 1" of Y-Margin
         9 = Y-margin and Pen down
        10 = Pen within 1" of Y-margin
        11 = Pen down on Y-Margin
        12 = X - and Y-margin
        13 = X- and Y-margin and Pen down
        14 = Pen touching paper in the upper-right or upper-left
             X-Ycorner but Pen not down
        15 = Pen down in upper-right or upper-left X-Y corner

Hope this helps.

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82642 1-NOV 19:46  General Information
     TermUI
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: ALL

I was wondering how many CoCoers have terminals running to the ole' coco? I am
in the middle of writing a program called TermUI, its a Terminal User Interface.

So far it is hard-coded for vt100, but I plan on reading the control codes from
a file, that could support multiable terminal types, (could even run it on a
CoCo Text screen) anyway, the Microware TERMSET file just isnt good enough..it
doesnt support enough codes, I wanted to support multiable effects, so that say,

and ANSI Terminal could have all different colors on screen, while a vt100
terminal could just put the same control code in the different slots. anyway, I
was wondering about other terminal files, like curses, what kinda stuff does it
support? Or should I just go with termset and foresake the possiblity for
multiable colors for ANSI? the only reason I hardcoded it so far was to get the
code down, I will go back in later with GNU Emacs on my UNIX box to replace the
vt100 codes with codes gathered from the terminal file..any ideas?

BTW, if anyone wants a copy of TermUI hardcoded for VT100/102 let me know I will

send it to ya..in return, just let me know what you think, improvments etc..

                                                            -* Mike

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82652 1-NOV 21:53  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82642)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

Dear Mike: I would be interested. I have what Rick Ulland knows to be a terminal

condition. I keep showing up at his door with Terminals, a wyse-50, an ancient
Motorola... which also makes an excellant space heater, a terminal of unknown
parerentage...a Northern Telcom Display Phone ( a real pip) and the Good Lord
only knows what else I come up with...


With all best wishes,

Brother Jeremy, CSJW

OS9 User Group Treasurer

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82656 1-NOV 22:48  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82652)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: REVWCP

:) Ok, are any of your terminals vt100 compat. ? ANSI MIGHT work.. if so, I will

syou the code..

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82658 1-NOV 23:01  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82656)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

As far as I know several of them should be -- Jeremy

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82660 2-NOV 00:07  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82658)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: REVWCP

Ok, I will .LZH the code as soon as I get a few more things added in, and I will

send it to you..

~               -* Mike

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82681 2-NOV 21:48  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82660)
     From: REVWCP       To: ILLUSIONIST

Thank you Mike, I have a question.  My current setup uses a Disto SC-2 and a
Tandy RS-232 Pack.  I don't use the rs-232 port in the SC-2.  Would it be
possible to use both the Tandy RS-232 and Disto RS-232 port at the same time, so

as to have a dual port machine.  I seem to remember that it is possible to
change the address on one of these devices.

--Br. Jeremy, CSJW

OS9 User Group Treasurer

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82684 2-NOV 23:23  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82681)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: REVWCP

Yeah, you should be able to use both. Both ports are addressed at the same
location? If so, I think one or both could be modified, I never used either of
those pieces of hardware, so I dont know the exact method. Though I would think
that modifing the disto rs232 pak would be similar to modifing the Tandy pak.
You will also have to modify the mpi. (a procedure called "strapping") this is
all that should really be needed..plus of course, a new descriptor for the port
when the address is changed..

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82687 3-NOV 00:24  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82681)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: REVWCP

The Disto 3/4-n-1 and the Tandy pack do not collide. With a strapped mpi, you
should be able to use both ports with SAcia.mpi.

  Randy

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82691 3-NOV 04:42  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82681)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: REVWCP

Hi,Br...
  I currently use BOTH in mine with os9 ..The Rs232 Rat pak is used as
 the Mouse...Rs232..Microsoft...the other is my main port from my H/d..+
 rs232 board in my SC-2.......has worked fine over the last couple of years! if
you use the SACI program for the Rs232 port..the XMODE program that came with
it..allows one to change the BASE address of the Discriptor module and the name!

Hmmm! come to think of it,I,m not sure on the name change!<grin> part....I use
Osterm on mine and changed the Hard coded locations to point to my NEW
discriptor /DT...the FF54 location...Xmode took care of the Base address
change<remember one must make a new Bootdisk after!
 Now I use EZGEN to change the address <no new bootdisk needed> <grin>...
regards...Dennis

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82692 3-NOV 04:58  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82684)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ILLUSIONIST

WRONG! VERY WRONG....THEY are NOT addressed at the same location! the Tandy
RS-232 pak is addressed at FF68....The DISTO is FF54........ foot in
mouth!<grin>..... the SACI drivers and the XMODE program that came with it,takes

care of the
 BASE address problem,it allows one to change it via XMODE
 I use BOTH units in mine!<grin> I recomend doing the IRQ fix of mine! that
 is in the Database...all it does is connect the STD IRQ to the external Buss
 via pin 40 that is unused<used to be the Slect line><turns off the roms,and
 kills the MPI when another board like the old 68008 board did> one just cuts
 the trace going to the 74ls138 chip without cutting out the resistor..and
 rewiring the trace directly to IRQ.....the MPI als needs one trace cut!
 by doing this a lot of work is bypased,as the MPI has ALL pin 40,s joined
 together already....one now only needs to jumper a wire from pin 40 in the
 pack to the interupt line going to the 6551.....
  You got the strapping part right! although someone came up with a software fix

 that made strapping a thing of the past!<grin>....the IRQ fix is still worth it

 <grin> Dennis

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82693 3-NOV 05:00  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82658)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: REVWCP

.oops..I ment Sacia.......<grin> Dennis

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82694 3-NOV 05:02  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82656)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ILLUSIONIST

i am interested! I talk to my CoCo-3 Os-9 via my Clone ..386.... can use most
formats..<grin> Dennis

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82696 3-NOV 06:12  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82692)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: COCOKIWI

Ahh, I was just going on what REVWCP told me, I had assumed because he asked if
both COULD be used, that he had tried it and it didnt work..and I did say that I

wasnt sure because I never used em, there by only licking my shoe rather than
stuffing my whole foot in there!! <grin>

          -* MIke

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82697 3-NOV 06:13  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82694)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: COCOKIWI

I will send you the code for TermUI soon, some stuff is working, but it is a
LONG ways from where I want it to be..

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82700 3-NOV 06:43  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82642)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST

Mike,

 > I was wondering how many CoCoers have terminals running to the ole' coco?
 > I am in the middle of writing a program called TermUI, its a Terminal
 > User Interface. So far it is hard-coded for vt100, but I plan on reading
 > the control
 > codes from a file, that could support multiable terminal types, (could
 > even run
 > it on a CoCo Text screen) anyway, the Microware TERMSET file just isnt
 > good enough.

Gee Mike, why don't you just use termcap like the rest of the world?

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82706 3-NOV 23:40  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82700)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

I would use termcap, but a) I dont have a coco termcap file, b) dont have and
docs or specs to make a coco termcap. c) How many controls does termcap support?

is it unlimited like I -think- ?

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82707 4-NOV 00:23  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82692)
     From: KSCALES      To: COCOKIWI

 > You got the strapping part right! although someone came up with a
 > software fix
 > that made strapping a thing of the past!<grin>....the IRQ fix is still
 > worth it
 > <grin> Dennis

Hi, Dennis -

The software fix ("gime toggle") helps to eliminate the need for the "IRQ diode
hack", but does not eliminate the need for the MPI strapping modification.

Without the strapping mod, the MPI circuitry blocks interrupts originating from
any slot other than the specific one selected. By default (stock setup), the
interrupt source is set to slot 1 by CC3Disk, so the RS232 pack normally goes
there.  A driver can change the interrupt source selection to different slot,
but this still leaves the other 3 slots unable to interrupt.

If I followed your description of your mod, it is a more sophisticated
alternative to the strapping mod (using already "strapped" pins 40 instead of
pins 8).  Nice touch, though it does require doing a minor mod to each pak that
generates interrupts.

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
         ** Composed with KVed/Ved and uploaded with InfoXpress **

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82708 4-NOV 02:03  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82696)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ILLUSIONIST

Ha!haa......dennis

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82709 4-NOV 02:14  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82707)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: KSCALES

Hi! Ken...I retrofitted someone elses mod,<a wire from the coco directly to the
pak in use> So i figured I,d get rid of the wire!<grin>and came up with using
the pin 40 port line<since no one ever used it>
 I did....I,ve used now for over 3 years..works fine with both paks under os9.
Dennis

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82720 4-NOV 20:48  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82681)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: REVWCP

yes! its real easy to change the address. lemme dig up my docs.

its probably far better to modify the rs232 pak from tandy. (easy to get at
things in there) Ok open up the pak. with the DB25 facing you look for the ROM
chip, towards you is the 74LS04 chip. You should see a trace coming from pin 8
of the 74LS04. (its the upper right pin) it heads for pin 2 of the SY6551 chip.
vcut this trace. now the remaining trace from pin 2 of the 6551, solder a jumper

to pin 9 of the 74ls04. That will change the base address from $FF68 to $FF6C.
You could also accomplish this by merely soldering together pin 8 & 9 of the '04

chip. What I did was add a single pole/double throw switch which allows me to
swap addresses on the fly. I also added a second switch for the IRQ to go to
either the CART line or to a screw terminal i made up for an IRQ hack. This is
my Spare pak, so i need to be prepared!

Hope that helps!

Mike

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82723 4-NOV 22:03  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82720)
     From: REVWCP       To: MIKE_GUZZI

Thank you Mike.  I guess I better go plug in the soldering iron.  -- Jeremy

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82726 4-NOV 23:12  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82720)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: MIKE_GUZZI

WHY! change  the address...The rat pak and Disto work on different levels
 ...and one DOES NOT conflict with the other! disto is FF54 ......a long way
 from FF68........

 Dennis

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82733 5-NOV 07:08  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82706)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: ILLUSIONIST

 > I would use termcap, but a) I dont have a coco termcap file, b) dont have
 > and docs or specs to make a coco termcap. c) How many controls does
 > termcap support? is it unlimited like I -think- ?

I uploaded the entire CoCo termcap code here a couple years ago.  Look in the
database for it.  Yes, termcap is pretty much unlimited, although the currently
defined parameters cover just about anything your could want. If you want to
know more about it, Nutshell books carries and excellent volume of termcap and
terminfo.

You would be MUCH better off using an existing standard for terminal control
rather than reinvent it yet again.  Too many people have done this and I'm tired

of adding yet another terminal config file to my system.

                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82743 5-NOV 18:49  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82723)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: REVWCP

no problem, do you know how to make up an os9 descriptor for that pak once you
hit it with the iron?

Mike

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82744 5-NOV 18:50  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82726)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: COCOKIWI

I did not know where the disto was addressed, in case it did have a conflict, i
provided the instructions.

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82750 5-NOV 20:50  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82733)
     From: ILLUSIONIST  To: MARKGRIFFITH

Thanks! I will go take a look for termcap..I take it it is somewhere in the
programmers den..

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82753 5-NOV 21:59  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82743)
     From: REVWCP       To: MIKE_GUZZI

I think I know how to patch an existing one. --Jeremy

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82765 6-NOV 00:34  General Information
     RE: TermUI (Re: Msg 82660)
     From: CHYDE        To: ILLUSIONIST

There is a public domain TERMCAP for the CoCo in the programmers area of the
database.  If I remember right (it's been a while) it is a fairly good
implementation.  You could grab it and see.

    Chris

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End of Thread.

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82654 1-NOV 21:55  OSK Applications
     K-Windows BUGS
     From: EMTWO        To: NIMITZ

 Well, I don't have much to say about bugs, but I do think alot was left OUT of
KWindows. Examples :
         1) No way to get the ENTIRE window info saved.ie X/Y coords,
 fore,back,bord colors, current pallette, screen type, etc...
         2) Not enough graphic primatives. ie, filled ARCS, Ellipses not
 on an X or Y coordinate plane, Fill an AREA, regardless of preset pixels,
 no 'hidden' screens for predrawing graphics.
 Thats enough for starters.

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82768 6-NOV 04:13  OSK Applications
     RE: K-Windows BUGS (Re: Msg 82654)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: EMTWO

Just posting this out in the open...
One thing I think people want from K-Windows is a better keyboard
interface.  One that will allow all keys to be accessed uniquely.  (So
CTRL-M and ENTER are two distinct keystrokes, and the arrow keys be
unique from CTRL sequences!)  Another thing I would like to see, would
be a getstat to find out if the shift/ctrl/alt keys are depressed, so I
could handle SHIFT/CTRL/ALT-CLICK mouse combinations... this would add
greater functionality to some programs.  I've heard the argument that
applications shouldn't get that complex to require those, but sometimes
they just make sense.  (Like in Write-Right, it would be nice to have a
CLICK move your cursor to the mouse position, while a SHIFT-CLICK would
highlight text up to the current mouse position, much like MAX-10 and
Macintosh word processors do.)

Hey, how about a getstat for the current font!  :)



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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82794 6-NOV 21:41  OSK Applications
     RE: K-Windows BUGS (Re: Msg 82768)
     From: EMTWO        To: JOELHEGBERG

I'm writeing up a comprehensive 'wish-list' right now. I should post it Sun or
Mon here, and on the coco list.

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82661 2-NOV 00:17  General Information
     Music
     From: THESCHU      To: ALL

 Here is some info for all you music buffs that use ANY of the music programs
for the COCO. At some of the Music stores throughout the country there is a new
system going up that you can print-up sheets of music or get 'Pro Midi' tm.
files ( MsDos & MacinTosh formats ) for your favorite music that may want to
have.
 How the system works is like this: 1) The system ask you for the title. 2) When

you find it( if on file in the system) you can play a portion of it. 3) Then
gives you the option for sheet music or Pro Midi files.
   > NOT FOR ALL FILES. Some are Pro Midi only. not sure about the
   > other way around thou. 4) Go pay for the Music sheets / disk and have fun.

  One thing that I am trying without success yet is to run a Pro-Midi file using

MMFplay (found on this Sig in Music) but the /Midi driver for the Seiral Port
founf
 Found in the New uploads section for this MFPlay util has a bad header ack when

i -IDENT- the drivers. This is prolonging my progress in making a final report
to the success of this venture.
  IF anyone has a GOOD /Midi Driver for the coco's Seiral Port Please
 Upload it for the use of all who need it.
  As for how to extract the MsDos Pro Midi files is easy.
 Just use PcDos ( found here ) thru the PcMenu program to copy a binary file to
OS9. Easy!!! Now I just NEED a Good /Midi driver to test it.

PS I just Up-Loaded The theme for 'Cheers' and the song ' A Whole New World '
from thr movie Aladdin, For Ultimuse3. Thx to all who read this. Brian >THESCHU<

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82664 2-NOV 01:05  General Information
     RE: Music (Re: Msg 82661)
     From: MITHELEN     To: THESCHU

More then likely the driver has XModem Padding at then end. Try "diddleing" the
length to the proper size with ded.
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

-*-

82665 2-NOV 01:12  General Information
     RE: Music (Re: Msg 82661)
     From: MITHELEN     To: THESCHU

Yep... the file did have a LOT of padding. The actual file size whould be 132
bytes for midi.mod. It contains both the driver and descriptor merged
together... I corrected the file size in the database, so people in the future
who download it don't have to worry about the padding (unless they use x/y
modem)
--
Paul Jerkatis
Assistant OS-9 Database Manager

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82671 2-NOV 02:58  Telecom (6809)
     InfoXpress
     From: WESGALE      To: ALL

Can someone tell me where I can grab this Info Express utility. I was told a
little about it and it sounds quite useful.  Is it available] K, both??

Thanks.

Wes

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82679 2-NOV 21:03  Telecom (6809)
     RE: InfoXpress (Re: Msg 82671)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WESGALE

 > Can someone tell me where I can grab this Info Express utility. I was told a
 > little about it and it sounds quite useful.  Is it available] K, both??

You can order a copy from:

    Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Company
    1368 Old Highway 50 East
    Union, MO 63804

CoCo version - $49.95

MM/1 version - $69.95

You'll probably save this much money with your first month's use of IX!!!!!

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


-*-

82698 3-NOV 06:31  Telecom (6809)
     RE: InfoXpress (Re: Msg 82671)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: WESGALE

Well .. you can't actually 'grab' it, as it's a commercail offering from Dirt
Cheap Computer Stuff. Leave a note to Mark Griffith (if he doesn't reply to on
his own) and ask about price and delivery.

You'll be glad you did!


*- Steve -*


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82701 3-NOV 06:43  Telecom (6809)
     RE: InfoXpress (Re: Msg 82671)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: WESGALE

Wes,

 > Can someone tell me where I can grab this Info Express utility. I was told a
 > little about it and it sounds quite useful.  Is it available] K, both??

InfoXpress is an application written by Bill Dickhaus and is available for sale
exclusively through the Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.  If you'd like a copy,
leave me a message and I'll email you the price and where to send the check.


 Mark Griffith
 Dirt Cheap Computer Stuff Co.
   "Cheap, But Not Trash"

 (Uploaded with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01)

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82702 3-NOV 09:18  Telecom (6809)
     RE: InfoXpress (Re: Msg 82679)
     From: WESGALE      To: COLORSYSTEMS

OK,  Thanks.  I was under the impression in was ShareWare.  (from what I was
told...) Where's my wallet? (grin)

Thanks again.

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82672 2-NOV 05:14  Applications (6809)
     New AR
     From: JWILKERSON   To: ALL

    OK, I will not submit the new beta version, and wait for the final version.
The next version, Carl sez, will be the distrubution version.

     There _Will_ be an OSK version as well.

         -- John

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82686 2-NOV 23:59  Programmers Den
     OSK BASIC Syscall
     From: THUNDERFNGRS To: ALL

Still cannot seem to get osk basic's syscall to work.  I am trying to convert
back and forth to/from julian/gregorian dates so I can easily add days at for
defining variables but I am not sure I have the correct callcode or that I am
using the registers properly. I have been using date -j from the os9 prompt to
check and I cannot seemn to get the right answer.  Does anyone have an example
of how this would work or other syscall routine that works?

-*-

82752 5-NOV 21:48  Programmers Den
     RE: OSK BASIC Syscall (Re: Msg 82686)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: THUNDERFNGRS

Do you have the doc corrections that explain that regs.dat should be an array of

8 integers and regs.add should be an aay of 5 integers for a total of
 (I hope!) PROCEDURE getpd TYPE registers=dat(8),add(5):INTEGER DIM
regs:registers DIM callcode:INTEGER DIM info(512):BYTE callcode:=$18 regs.dat(1)

:=5 regs.add(1):=ADDR(info) RUN syscall(callcode,regs) FOR callcode:=1 TO 512
PRINT info(callcode); NEXT callcode

:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

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82783 6-NOV 17:30  Programmers Den
     RE: OSK BASIC Syscall (Re: Msg 82752)
     From: THUNDERFNGRS To: HAWKSOFT

THANK YOU THANK YOU!  I was missing the info about the use of ADDR(info)! Maybe
I can get it to work now !

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82812 7-NOV 16:32  Programmers Den
     RE: OSK BASIC Syscall (Re: Msg 82783)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: THUNDERFNGRS (NR)

Glad to help! Had me wondering for a loooooooong time! (I did a lot of Basi09
stuff on my Coco and ported a lot of it to OSK.)

:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:       

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End of Thread.

-*-

82689 3-NOV 01:23  OSK Applications
     How would you like...
     From: WOLFDEN      To: ALL

  Hi all!

  This message is for all you guys out there with OSK boxes.

  I just recieved mail from Blair Leduc.  If you don't know who he is, then I
will tell you.  He is the guy who brought us Scribe to the OS9 community.
  Ok, know your probably wondering what I'm getting at.  Well, like I said above

(Excuse me for a sec "$"#$#"#! I hate Delphi's text editor!!!)

I just received mail from Blair.  He said that he is working on an OSK version
of Scribe!!  He wants to know what you guys think about this before he releases
it.
  I would like to hear your feedback on this subject.  If you could send me E-
mail on Delphi here, I would appreciate it.

  Thanks!

  C'ya!
  Tim aka Wolfden

-*-

82704 3-NOV 19:59  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82689)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WOLFDEN

I am not familiar with Scribe. What is it?

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


-*-

82705 3-NOV 22:19  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82704)
     From: WOLFDEN      To: COLORSYSTEMS

Hi Zack!

Scribe is QWK packet reader.  QWK is a format that FIDO uses to collect
messagesoffline. It's main purpose is to save online time and long distance
charges.  Scribe allows you to read and reply to these messages on yi(your      
        )
own computer at home, thenupload any replies to the system that you collected
them from. If you don't have FIDO access, this program will do you no good.

A friend od (of) mine is writting a QWK collection program for use with StG.
Later this year, or earlier next year (whichever comes first), Scott G. will be
releasing Version 4 of StG.  It will run on OSK machines as well as Coco OS9
machines. In this case, if you have access to an StG site, then Scribe can be
used to read StG news offline.

  C'ya!
  Tim

-*-

82716 4-NOV 19:11  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82705)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: WOLFDEN

Thanks for your reply. Since I do not have the access nor desire to access a
FIDO node, then I suppose Scribe is somehhing I do not have a need for.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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82730 5-NOV 00:38  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82716)
     From: WOLFDEN      To: COLORSYSTEMS

  Ok, Zack.

  Thanks for the interest anyway.

  C'ya!
  Tim

-*-

82735 5-NOV 07:25  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82730)
     From: PHXKEN       To: WOLFDEN

Scribe for OSK should use Termcaps for us non-mm1 types.  Is that the intent?

-*-

82755 5-NOV 22:14  OSK Applications
     RE: How would you like... (Re: Msg 82735)
     From: WOLFDEN      To: PHXKEN

  I don't know.  Personally, I have no idea how Blair plans on writting the
program.  I am just his liason to Delphi...
  Sorry, I can't give any more information.  Maybe I will ask him about it
later.
  Or, if you want, you can leave him Internet mail to:b.leduc@ieee.org and ask
him yourself.

  C'ya! ;
  Tim

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82714 4-NOV 17:22  General Information
     63B09E processors
     From: ISC          To: ALL

Does anyone have a source for 63B09E processors?  I have blown mine and need a
new one desperately.  I have been trying to contact Burke & Burke for days with
no response.  I am also trying snail mail.  Please let me know as soon as
possible if there is a reliable source for small quantities of 63B09Es.

Thanks.

Bill

-*-

82715 4-NOV 18:24  General Information
     RE: 63B09E processors (Re: Msg 82714)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: ISC

Bill, talk t Rick Ulland at CoNect. He normally stocks a few of them. RICKULAND
here, or 1-414-258-2989.

  Randy

-*-

82722 4-NOV 20:53  General Information
     RE: 63B09E processors (Re: Msg 82715)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ISC

I've tried contacting B&B, so has a few others. I don't know what the deal is...

won't answer US mail, E-mail either, nor return phone calls even when asked to
call collect.

-*-

82729 5-NOV 00:13  General Information
     RE: 63B09E processors (Re: Msg 82715)
     From: ISC          To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy,

I will talk to Rick.  Thanks a lot.

Bill

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

82724 4-NOV 22:07  Telecom (6809)
     zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93
     From: WOAY         To: ALL

Hello folks. Am I the only one having zmodem trouble with delphi since the first

of the month, the same time the prompts were modified last?  Using code thats
been used hundreds of times before, I'm suddenly getting nothing but read the
manual pages bugs chapter! Back later or tomm nite, thanks Gene Heskett (WOAY)

-*-

82736 5-NOV 07:32  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82724)
     From: PHXKEN       To: WOAY

No problem here.  Just d/l'ed both of the new .ume music files without a problem

using zmodem.

-*-

82742 5-NOV 17:26  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82736)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ALL

Speeking of Zmodem, the latest version of Zmodem (3.24) is now functional for
OS-9 (Both CoCo and 68K versions). The CoCo version includes some assembly
optimization by Gene Heskett (WOAY) to speed up CRC calculation. Its definately
faster then previous versions (both sz and rz) Also, sz now uses buffered I/O on

writes, which will also add a further speed inprovement. I'll be uploading both
CoCo and 68k versions tonight/this weekend in both AR and LHA format.
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.


-*-

82747 5-NOV 19:37  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82724)
     From: TONYREED     To: WOAY

Gene:

Are you having trouble with send or receive?  I d'loaded a file
with rz since the first of the month, with no problems.
But I've never ever been able to get sz to work -- I always get a
"waiting for patway nak" (whatever that means), until sz times
out and tells me to check the chapter on bugs.  Now the "chapter"
on bugs simply says that ASCII conversion (whatever that is) is
lousy, and doesn't work at all with sz. I took this to mean that
sz will never work.

So I pretty much use Xmodem for uploading, which never seems to fail.
Haven't tried Kermit.

-- Tony

>>In Quotes:
I'm just as good a singer as Caruso. -- Bob Dylan


-*-

82756 5-NOV 22:18  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82747)
     From: WOAY         To: TONYREED (NR)

Thats the first time I've heard of anybody having trouble with sz since
supercomm2.2 was released, which in fact appears to issue the command to sz
properly, something I have not had much luck with from the command line though.
And in this case, sz was working just fine, but a version of rz I've patched up
for v32.bis modem useage, and which has been working for a month just fine,
suddenly gets very intermittent. To make that story, after exiting here from
that message, I went back and dl'd 4 files from date new and the one thats been
stuck in my workspace for 2 days because I couldn't make *any* version of rz
I've got work.  Go figgur!, thanks for the reply, Cheers, Gene

-*-

82759 5-NOV 22:50  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82747)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: TONYREED (NR)

Huh.  I've never had a problem with Sz.  I compiled it on my system and it works

just fine.  Maybe you need to recomplie.  Also, I'm not using the NIL addition.
I leave it out of my bootfile because it makes RZ and SZ freak out on my system
at 14.4.  Maybe if you're using NIL in your bootfile, you could try taking it
out.  Good luck!
  --Andy

-*-

82766 6-NOV 03:50  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82742)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: MITHELEN

Great!  I can hardly wait!
 Thanks,
 Wayne


-*-

82767 6-NOV 04:03  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82759)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: BANANAMAN

Andy,
  Do you have rz & sz working at 14.4?  If so, how did you do it? Did you
compile sz with the 6309 patched RMA?  (I haven't patched my RMA for 6309 yet,
but I renamed RMA to asm for my C compiler) I'm interested in how your coco does

at 14.4.
  BTW I am thinking about putting a 36MHz crystal in my coco.  I just haven't
decided if the 12% increase over the present 32MHz crystal is worth pushing the
GIME and the cm8 too hard. :-)
 Wayne

-*-

82776 6-NOV 10:02  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82756)
     From: NIMITZ       To: WOAY

Could 'your' problem actually be a problem with packet size along the path
between you and  Delphi??


-*-

82782 6-NOV 12:59  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82742)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: MITHELEN

Paul,

How about posting a copy to the archives at wuarchive.wustledu as well?


*- Steve -*


-*-

82786 6-NOV 18:32  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82782)
     From: MITHELEN     To: SCWEGERT

Steve, I WOULD, _IF_ Delphis FTP worked properly. Unforch, it doesn't...

-*-

82790 6-NOV 20:24  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82767)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: WTHOMPSON

Actually, I have my serial port locked at 19.2 and the modem deals with the DTE
speed stuff.  I just compiled it with the regular old libraries and it seems to
work just fine.  But I thought that the 6309 patches for RMA only allow it to
compile 6309 mnemonics.  The compiler would still have to generate the 6309
assembly instructions, correct?  I think Boisy may be working on something for
that.  But...back to the point...The CRC for my version of sz is 0DFDE8.  At
14.4 I get about 450+ CPS on receives.  Haven't measured Sz's speed cause the
local BBS I use doesn't give me a status report after an upload.  Just a note,
though.  Xmodem-1K receives are a whole LOT faster.  Almost 3 times as fast.

If I were you, I'd go for the 36 MHZ crystal if you can get your cm8 to sync at
that rate.  Since the 32 MHZ seems to be the difference between reliable 14.4
and unreliable 14.4 on my system, the 36 may make the difference for yours.
  --Andy

-*-

82791 6-NOV 20:25  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82776)
     From: WOAY         To: NIMITZ

I don't know, David, its the same phone number I've been using (Sprintnet) for
the last year or so. When I mentioned the prompt being changed, up till now, the

first character of 'you have # new mail msgs" was always missing. Now its there
(the 'y') and another prompt that is often 0= with nothing after there = sign.
That, and my probs with zmodem started the same day. Tonight, and finally, late
last nite, its working agin, I just grabbed the new rzsz code from dat new that
I helped oprtimize abit of. (spellng?) I got C's in spelling, and this touchy
coco keyboard gets an F! Cheers, Gene - - - forgot to ask, has anyone attempted
to put a new pc keyboard on a coco via the seriel port in a 4in1 yet?  That
might be my next project! Cheers, Gene

-*-

82803 7-NOV 12:27  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82786)
     From: SCWEGERT     To: MITHELEN

 > Steve, I WOULD, _IF_ Delphis FTP worked properly. Unforch, it doesn't...

Well ... you could uuencode it offline, and ship it to my mail address (steve
@wuarchive.wustl.edu) and I'd be happy to post it to the archives for you.


*- Steve -*


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82811 7-NOV 16:29  Telecom (6809)
     RE: zmodem and delphi since 11/01/93 (Re: Msg 82790)
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: BANANAMAN (NR)

ave a 14.4k modem yet but I noticed in the Best Buy flyer in sunday's paper that

Zoom 14.4 fax/modems (ext.!) are $159.  I may not wait 'till christmas. :-)
 Wayne

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82728 4-NOV 23:25  Applications (6809)
     Spell Checkers
     From: RICHKOTTKE   To: MROWEN01


I use T/S Spell all the time.  It is still available from Tandy via Express
Order (sm) at 1-800-321-3133.  The part number for T/S Spell is 26-3266 CMC; it
cost $15.00 when I ordered it 6 months ago.

Some other titles that may still be available:

T/S Word (can be converted into vi): 26-3267 CMC OS-9 Pascal: 26-3034 CMC C
Compiler: 26-3038 OS-9 D.L. LOGO: 26-3033 CMC OS-9 Profile: 26-3274 CMC
DyingCalc  (oops! DynaCalc): 26-3275 CMC

Hope this helps everyone!

   -Rich

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82737 5-NOV 12:19  Applications (6809)
     RE: Spell Checkers (Re: Msg 82728)
     From: MROWEN01     To: RICHKOTTKE (NR)

Thanks for the software info. That's a big help.

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82731 5-NOV 03:18  General Information
     MM/1 Production
     From: NIMITZ       To: ALL

I am working on taking over production of the MM/1.   I would appreciate
comments from all SIG users, via E-Mail.   I particularly would be interested in

knowing wether you would or would not buy aan MM/1 and why you made your
decision.   Thanks


                   David M. Graham
                   BlackHawk Enterprises


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82739 5-NOV 13:01  General Information
     RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 82731)
     From: MROWEN01     To: NIMITZ

I aminterested in the MM/1, but I have never been able to get much info on one.
It seems they are hard to get and have had some support problems. I don't even
know the cost of one right now. There also seems to be some rivalry between the
MM/1 and the Delmar systems. (like window environments). It sounds like some
cross-coding is happening, but I don't really know what I'm getting into if I
purchase either system. Right now I'm content with my Coco3 and OS/9.

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82749 5-NOV 20:06  General Information
     RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 82739)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MROWEN01

I'll send you some info, if you send me your address in E-Mail


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82775 6-NOV 07:00  General Information
     RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 82731)
     From: MARKGRIFFITH To: NIMITZ

David,

 > I am working on taking over production of the MM/1.   I would appreciate
 > comments from all SIG users, via E-Mail.   I particularly would be
 > interested in knowing wether you would or would not buy aan MM/1 and why
 > you made your decision.

If you can actually provide the machines in a resonable amount of time, I'd say
a number of people will still buy them, considering the new software that is
coming out for the MM/1.  What sort of delivery times are you looking at?


                  /************* /\/\ark ************/

                  (uploaded with InfoXpress Ver 1.01)

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82779 6-NOV 10:16  General Information
     RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 82775)
     From: NIMITZ       To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)

Good question Mark.   If I can get enough COMMITTED buyers, I'll get a bank
loadn, and finish the machines here, and ship within a week of receiving an
order.  But I need to be able to sell 10 machines the first month to do that....


                 David

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82738 5-NOV 12:50  General Information
     Spell Checker
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

I was able to order T/S spell for $11.54 from Tandy express order. I imagine all

of the other packages that Rich mentioned are still available at reduced cost.

-Mike

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82745 5-NOV 19:04  System Modules (6809)
     GrfInt bug found
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: ALL

I finally found the bug that has been plaquing me for 2 months. This bug is with

GrfInt in the bootfile I cannot use /w to do any window operations It totally
crashes the system. Well what i discovered it my /w1 descriptor is set to
type=01 (vdg) as soon as i placed it back as type=80 it worked! NOTE: with
WindInt, it would skip /w1 and use /w2. apparently windint is a little bit
smarter. It also made no difference if VDGInt was in memory or not. I originally

thought supercomm was at fault since it would crash the system when booted after

i removed WindInt from the boot. Well apparently GrfInt's coding isn't smart
enough to go around type 1 windows. Thought id pass this one on.

Mike

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82758 5-NOV 22:47  System Modules (6809)
     RE: GrfInt bug found (Re: Msg 82745)
     From: BANANAMAN    To: MIKE_GUZZI

Yikes!  Glad you found that GrfInt bug.  Musta been driving you nuts not to be
able to <>>>/w.
  --Andy

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82764 6-NOV 00:24  System Modules (6809)
     RE: GrfInt bug found (Re: Msg 82758)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: BANANAMAN

yeah it was a weirdo bug, couldn't do any reference to /w unless i was using
WindInt. some shell scripts i have use it, view uses it, supercomm uses it. i
wanted to pass that along for others to know of this, I was pulling my hair out
for 2 months with this bug.

to duplicate it: set the type value of /w1 to 1 (VDG) then try anything like
"display c >/w" and watch the nice sparkles

Mike

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82746 5-NOV 19:07  System Modules (6809)
     supercomm
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy,

I notice one pecular thing about supercomm. It grabs a lot of system ram.
accounting for the XTP value of sacia (for recieve buffer) and the extra path to

/NIL (VRN timing) it grabs 11 pages of ram for itself (not counting XTP value or

VRN) I even removed VRN and reduced the XTP value to see what happens. Why does
it grab so much system ram? is there anyway to make it less hungry for ram?

Mike

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82754 5-NOV 22:02  System Modules (6809)
     RE: supercomm (Re: Msg 82746)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: MIKE_GUZZI

Mike, SuperComm is a user state program. It can not just grab extra system ram.
Even if it did, what in the world would it use it for? Without VRN, and using
the recommended "<>>>/w" startup, starting SC will cause three path descriptors
(main window, status window, serial port) to be created, and if SAcia wasn't
inited, it's static storage would also be allocated. Oh, and the process
descriptor for SC.

   Hmmm, it almost adds up. That's 9 pages, at an absolute minimum. I would
guess that your other two pages are going to extending one of OS9s internal
tables. Try starting up SC, quiting, and restarting, noting the change to system

ram with each move.

 BTW, I just started up a second SC n an un-inized port, and it took 10 pages,
including the VRN path. (VRN was already inized via first copy)

  Randy

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82763 6-NOV 00:22  System Modules (6809)
     RE: supercomm (Re: Msg 82754)
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: RANDYKWILSON

In my case it grabs 19 pages of system ram, 8 for sacia (because of the XTP
value) say 2 for the process descriptor, 2 for VRN, removing VRN and setting XTP

to zero (no buffer) it grabs 11. Im just trying to understand whats going on to
make sure it isn't a system problem. Using SMAP and PATHS to track it (Kevin's
utils are great)

Mike

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82751 5-NOV 20:52  General Information
     The Meet
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: BOISY

   I though I'd give an oppertunity for all who can make it,,,
 The Mid Iowa & Country Coco  will begin it's ninth season,, tomorrow
  at with a meet at the Franklin Library  2:00 PM  In Des Moines, IA
   I ask Marty,,, but he said he couldn't get plane reservations in time.
   But hey,, you'n James'll be there, right.


   For those unfamilure as to just where the Franlin Library is,,,
  just go 2 blocks north from my house,, and two blocks west.
  see ya'll there....
           Til then,,, Terry Simons

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82785 6-NOV 18:23  OSK Applications
     GHOSTSCRIPT
     From: EDELMAR      To: JOHNREED

 John,

 Update on my initial testing of 'ghostscript'.  But first understand I know
 nothing about Postscript nor Ghostscript.  I'm trying Ghostscript at the
 urging of Mark Griffith - the scoundrel <g>.  He has helped me, though.

 I got it up and running last night on my laser - a Tandy 950 supposedly HPLJ2
 compatible.  It seems to work ok.  Printed 'tiger.ps' and a couple other
 sample files.  I noticed 2 problems.  There appears to be some streaking
 in certain portions of the tiger.ps and golfer.ps printouts.  But this
 streaking did not appear when I ran cheq (from Adobe).  When I ran 'alphabet.
 ps', the characters in the first column were cut-off.  I checked the driver
 and found that the left margin was set for .02" instead of about .25".  I'll
 have to change that - means I'll have to break-down and get the GCC compiler.
 One other 'undocumented feature' - seems the letter 'A' is appearing on the
 upper left side on 'golfer.ps'.  Any ideas?

 I'm currently running the LOUT docs through GS.  The letter 'A' I mentioned
 above is appearing at the far left of the word 'ABSTRACT' (on the title page
 of each document).  Otherwise, the print-out appears to be going well.

 Couple of questions - Is there a way to print only 'odd' and then 'even'
 pages?  And can a specific page or range of pages be printed?   (I haven't
 gone through the docs thoroughly, yet).

 Some performance and other info which may be of interest.  I'm running
 ghostscript on a SYSTEM V (68020 @ 33 MHz) with 16 Megs of memory under
 G-WINDOWS.  A page print-out is taking between 2 and 8 minutes.  The double
 column pages taking the longest time.  In addition to the 560k 'gs' requires,
 'gs' is using 1.9 Megs of memory.  Most of the time the cpu is loafing.  The
 G-WINDOWS cpu monitor shows a usage of only 20% most of the time rising to
 about 90% only when the fonts are loaded at the beginning of each page.

 Ed

 Addendum - Thought about the speed - changed the priority of Gulted in the cpu
usage going to 100% and speeded up printing substantially.
 The document I'm printing has 50+ pages.  GS errored out (non-recoverable
 error) at page 40.  How do I restart where the printing left off?

 Ed

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82792 6-NOV 20:32  OSK Applications
     RE: GHOSTSCRIPT (Re: Msg 82785)
     From: WOAY         To: EDELMAR

Hi Ed, how are you these days? I just noticed the plea for even, then odd pages
to be printed. Take a look at the printform code available here for ideas, thats

basicly what I did to make it do things double sided. You might be able to adapt

some of that to your driver for the laser.  Just a thought. Cheers, Gene Heskett

(WOAY)

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82797 7-NOV 03:24  OSK Applications
     RE: GHOSTSCRIPT (Re: Msg 82785)
     From: EDELMAR      To: JOHNREED


 John,

 I see the last part of my message #82785 got garbled.  It was -

 Addendum - Thought about the speed - changed the priority of GS.  This
 resulted in the cpu usage going to 100% and speeded up printing substantially.
 The document I'm printing has 50+ pages.  GS errored out (non-recoverable
 error) at page 40.  How do I restart where the printing left off?

 Ed

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82799 7-NOV 09:28  OSK Applications
     RE: GHOSTSCRIPT (Re: Msg 82785)
     From: JOHNREED     To: EDELMAR

 >  Update on my initial testing of 'ghostscript'.  But first understand I know
 >  nothing about Postscript nor Ghostscript.  I'm trying Ghostscript at the
 >  urging of Mark Griffith - the scoundrel <g>.  He has helped me, though.

    YEAH! Way to go, Mark! (GRIN)

 >  I'm currently running the LOUT docs through GS.  The letter 'A' I mentioned
 >  above is appearing at the far left of the word 'ABSTRACT' (on the title page

 >  of each document).  Otherwise, the print-out appears to be going well.

    That sounds like something in the printer init lines at the beginning
    of each page is not quite right for your printer.  I think you are
    right -- time to get the GCC compiler.  The source has several examples
    of IBM-type display drivers too -- you should be able to come up with
    a pretty good screen display for your SYSTEM V if you want it.  I got
    the gswin.exe version to run on my cobbled-up "386" machine, and the
    display is very good on a monochrome vga screen.

 >  Couple of questions - Is there a way to print only 'odd' and then 'even'
 >  pages?  And can a specific page or range of pages be printed?   (I haven't
 >  gone through the docs thoroughly, yet).
 >
    The only way I have been able to select pages is by adding the "%d"
    in the -sOUTPUTFILE= option like `-sOUTPUTFILE=loutdoc%d' -- this
    will produce separate files, loutdoc1, loutdoc2, and so forth.  Then
    send them to the printer in the order you want -- I have been playing
    with some BASIC routines to take a list of files like that and print
    them in the proper order - it will become a C program later.  I am
    a PostScript novice myself, but I'm sure there is a way to write a
    header in PostScript that would do it.  I think I saw some "page
    selecting" utilities in the PostScript Roundtable (PSRT) on Genie.

    One thing that speeds up Ghostscript is to compile the fonts into
    it. (Or at least the most common ones).  I have done this with the
    basic font set that comes with the Adobe Type Manager - but I can't
    upload that version - instructions for doing that are in the version
    2.6.1 upload.  I got the Adobe Type Manager at a local discount
    appliance store real cheap.


           John R. Wainwright

 <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

 *********** InfoXpress ************

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82793 6-NOV 21:03  Music & Sound
     Ultimuse3 Patches
     From: THESCHU      To: ALL

There was a message on my E-Mail that I kinda-sorta deleted from ( I Think) from

Martial about patches   for Ultimuse3 under 6309 Native - PowerBoost and Nitro 0
9
( Ihave not tested it under nitro, but someone else had used about the same
patch as I did). Here is the word. You should be able to apply the patch for ver

4.80 since that didn't realy change up untill v4.90. This patch is needed only
if you have the - 6309 with powerboost -.
 and you want to run Ultimuse3 in native - powerboosted systems.
 For any more info send me some E-Mail to > THESCHU <.

  Brian


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82795 6-NOV 22:49  Applications (6809)
     RE: GIF format (Re: Msg 81196)
     From: K4OP         To: RICKMAC (NR)

thanks for your help K4OP

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82796 7-NOV 02:40  Telecom (6809)
     rz/sz 3.24 for CoCo
     From: MITHELEN     To: ALL

For those that downloaded the new CoCo version of rz/sz 3.24 from the database,
I forgot to tell the compiler to give "sz" some extra memory to avoid stack
overflow errors. If you get stack overflow errors when you try to run sz, then
try puttine a #8k at the end of the command line. I'll be uploading a new
archive 11/8/93 that will have the "fixed" version.

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82800 7-NOV 11:39  Telecom (6809)
     RE: rz/sz 3.24 for CoCo (Re: Msg 82796)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ALL

Ok, I got the new archives for rz/sz up to Delphi. The new CoCo version should
fix the stack overflow problem that was reported to me. For those that already
doenloaded the CoCo version, and don't want to have to download the whole
archive, you can use DeD to patch the amount of data space allocated by
changeing Offset $0C to $49 (This is for "sz", rz should be OK) Don't forget to
verify CRC after makeing the patch...
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
 UUCP ...{balr|tellab5}!vpnet!sandv.chi.il.us!sysop
 Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

 Please, Send Money! My hard drive crashed, and I'm too broke to get a new one.

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82806 7-NOV 15:15  Programmers Den
     OSK BASIC syscall
     From: THUNDERFNGRS To: HAWKSOFT

I am sorry to report that I still am unable to convert to/from julian



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82814 7-NOV 16:34  Programmers Den
     RE: OSK BASIC syscall (Re: Msg 82806)
     From: HAWKSOFT     To: THUNDERFNGRS (NR)

I think that there is a syscall for that too. I'll get back to you! :-> :-> :->
:-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> Chris <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-: <-:

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End of Thread.

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82807 7-NOV 15:22  Telecom (6809)
     New RZ_SZ
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends: I just installed the new RZ and SZ modules.  RZ works fine.  I
don't have anything to upload so I can't test SZ.  I'll try to find something.
--Br. Jeremy

OS9 UG Treasurer

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82809 7-NOV 15:31  Telecom (6809)
     RE: New RZ_SZ (Re: Msg 82807)
     From: REVWCP       To: REVWCP

I just tried uploading a file with Supercomm using SZ. So far no luck. I get a
window within SUpercomm, it asked for a filename.  I typed it in hit enter, and
the name erased.  I did this under the File send, external Zmodem
command.....What am I doing wrong?

--Jeremy

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82810 7-NOV 15:40  Telecom (6809)
     RE: New RZ_SZ (Re: Msg 82809)
     From: REVWCP       To: REVWCP (NR)

I downloaded a file to floppy and every block got a crc/retry error.  The file
finally came through okay.  --Jeremy

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End of Thread.

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82816 7-NOV 16:49  General Information
     Puppo Board
     From: WTHOMPSON    To: DSRTFOX

I just got the latest 268'm.  Very nice as always.  I was wondering, is there a
source yet for the pc board you mention in the 2nd issue for the Puppo IBM
keyboard interface?  (I must confess the main reason I subscribed was to be able

to build one, BUT I am glad I did for everything else!)
  Please let me know if the board is available!
 Thanks,
 Wayne

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82818 7-NOV 16:59  General Information
     RE: Puppo Board (Re: Msg 82816)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: WTHOMPSON (NR)

Rick Ulland is still working on the board. I haven't asked him about it lately..

need to follow up on that one!!!

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