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93102 22-JUL 14:17 Applications (6809)
     RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93101)
     From: BOISY        To: WDTV5

I noticed this too this morning.  It seems chestnut is no longer
working with anonymous logins.

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93113 23-JUL 01:58 Applications (6809)
     RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93102)
     From: MITHELEN     To: BOISY

maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-)

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93146 25-JUL 20:08 Applications (6809)
     RE: chestnut (Re: Msg 93113)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MITHELEN

 > maybe someone tripped over the cord? 8-)

Let's hope it's something like that   :-)

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93103 22-JUL 17:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93099)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5

Gene,

 Correct. Supercomm only knows enough about zmodem to spot the start and
fork off rz or sz. From there on, it's rz/sz's ball. The only control
Supercomm has is to kill off rz/sz at the operators request, under
certain conditions.
 We were specificly talking about ascii captures, but SuperComm will also
toss out linefeeds if it feels an xmodem/ymodem download is ascii text.


  Randy

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93111 23-JUL 01:57 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93076)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DOMM

 > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
 > telecommunications?
 >                       If I use the
 > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced
 > list.

That's in the listing of the buffer only?  I had the same problem with
OSTerm.  You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
until a true LF is sent.

There are a couple of solutions.

1. use a utility to strip out LF's
2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
3. Use the command "merge" instead of list.  This won't
   work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
   own linefeeds.

If you want to use option 1, don't have a LF stripper and cannot find
one, let me know and I'll send you something I wrote.

You can write one in B09, but it is rather slow.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93114 23-JUL 02:38 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098)
     From: DOMM         To: WDTV5

Gene---

>I don't know if you can. .....

I just got through setting up SuperComm. Don't think I'll bother trying
to fix the spacing of the capture buffer in Warp1. SuperComm has more
to offer.

---Dom


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93115 23-JUL 02:44 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111)
     From: DOMM         To: DBREEDING

David---

I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have setup
SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible.

---Dom

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93121 23-JUL 12:44 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080)
     From: 01GEN40      To: WDTV5

Hello Gene,
  I do not know to whom this message should be directed, so I am
sending it to you.  A while back I wrote a utility that will take
any text file and strip out any and all unwanted characters.  I
wrote it in such a way that the output can be redirected to the
printer or to a new file.  It can be sent to the screen but there
is no pause capability in it.  It also paginates the output.  If
wanted, I can put together a little DOC file and upload it here.
let me know.  See ya among the stars...
  Ya know, I was just thinking.  I wonder what it would do to an
executible file.  I think I may see just what it will do, might
prove to be quite interesting!  I will let you know.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93123 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93080)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > The best bet is prolly a proggy I got from here, call "tr".
 > Usage syntax is "tr 10 13 filename" which will convert any linefeeds
 > in the file to cr's. Or look for a lf stripper util.

He'd still have a double-space printout..

Might try another option.  I don't know if it would work for the CoCo or
not..  If you have VED, You might try loading it into it.  I know the
OSK version (2.0, anyway) will strip out the LF's, you can save it
in DOS format if you want, but without specifying, it will save it
without the LF's.. It's late tonight, I won't try now, but you might give
it a shot.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93124 23-JUL 14:11 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93098)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > I don't know as you can. I solved this a long time back by writing a
 > quick and dirty little thing in Basic09 that copiesn the file byte by
 > byte UNLESS the byte is a linefeed ($0A) in which case its thrown away.

If there's no linefeed strip here, I wrote one in Assembly.  It does
the read with ReadLn, and I cannot remember, right now, it _may_
only look at the first character on that line..  If y'all want me
to, I'll upload it.. or email it to anyone who wants it.  I'll provide
the source, too, for anyone who doesn't like they way it does <G>

I originally tried it in B09 but it was a little slow for huge files.

 > I originally did it so's the basic09 listings I was doing weren't dbl
 > spaced later, AND because when basic09 does a "save" it also uses
 > linefeeds.

Yah.. those linefeeds were really aggravating for listings.. that's for
sure.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93128 23-JUL 18:25 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93103)
     From: WDTV5        To: RANDYKWILSON

Yeah, but zmodem is *supposed* to handle that too. Pity it doesn't when its
controlled by the sender and told its text mode stuffs. Its not a huge prob
to me, but I expect there are those who *are* a bit put off by it.


Do you have yet another vversion in the works? One item I'd like to see is
for the next version of SC to drop the echo into a black hole for the
duration of an ascii text send, I think it gets confused by trying to
process the echo *sometimes*, particularly when the file going out is
larger than 32k or so. I'd like to see some scripting over and above the
dial.adf file allows too. But understand I'm not squawking too loud, I
also use most of the comm proggies on the amiga, term43 at the moment, and
SC *STILL* does some things better!
Cheers - Gene

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93129 23-JUL 18:38 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93121)
     From: WDTV5        To: 01GEN40

An executable? Well, first, it will change all the machine code references
to the extra register sets to an illegal opcode, or a different one. In other
words, the resultant will fail 2 ways, first being the crc check that os9
*normally* subjects anything it notes is executable when its loaded to
do a F$Fork or F$Chain to. Second, is that the modified code will no doubt
crash spectacularly. The reason I used the '*' above is that there are
util/patches for os9 that do turn the crc checking on/off, part of a speedup
patch set for Nitros9 for instance. 1.22 itself will probably default that
to off. I have mixed feelings about that myself, but then disk drives have
become about 10-3 times more dependable in the last decade. I have not had
a hard drive data error in over a year that I didn't create! Floppies here
are still in the so-so category though.
Have fun Gene - Gene

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93131 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93123)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

Correct of course, I was asleep too! I think the same can be said for the
patchkit that makes 'vi' outta 'TSEDIT'. It will show you a ? as the first
character in the line IF its a linefeed riddled file. I spose if the file
had lf/cr instead of cr/lf's then the last character would be displayed
as a '?'. Anyway, when I see that, I just exit without saving, and use my
stripper on it.
Cheers Dave, Gene

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93132 23-JUL 18:43 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93124)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do
upload yyours.
Cheers Dave, Gene

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93139 24-JUL 19:23 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93131)
     From: JOHNREED     To: WDTV5


And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer....

I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut
(before it quit letting me in -- ??).  Autolf converts
any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify.  The
archive contains source, and compiled executables for DOS,
OSK and 6809/OS-9 machines.  I even got it to compile on
my OS-9000 critter.  -- Not bad.

The author is Mike Tozer - mike@vk3.demon.co.uk

Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
formats - and lets you convert them if you want.

JohnW


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93147 25-JUL 20:08 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93115)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DOMM

 > I've been using FIXTXT for a while for file LF stripping. Now that I have
 > setup
 > SuperComm, I'll just use that. Its more useful and flexible.

That's a good choice.  I used it some (I was kinda hooked on OSTerm, though)
and it does have some good features.  As with everything else, there's
a thing or two that could stand some fixing <G>, but it is a pretty
neat comm program.

Not familiar with FIXTXT, does it completely strip out LF's?

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93149 25-JUL 22:44 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93147)
     From: DOMM         To: DBREEDING

David---

>  (RE:Fixtxt)...does it completely strip out LF's?

Seems to. Don't know that much about it except that it works easily.

>  (SuperComm) ...a thing or two that could stand some fixing <G>

Actually, I seem to have a another problem with getting it completely
working corectly. (Randy?...Anybody?...Help!) I'm sure its not SuperComms'
fault.

First, am I right in assuming that when SuperComm connects, it
kills the overlay and sounds a "TONE" signaling connection? It seems
that it did this at a few times. (?) Well...it doesn't anymore. I tried
everything I could do to repeat the situation but......

Mine stays at the box until you press the spacebar. No connect tone either.

Also, I can't get it to auto login. Maybe the two are connected someway?
There is still a small "echo" problem as stated to Randy earlier, that
hasn't been completely scoped out yet. Can these things be tied together
or are they different problems. Or is some modem command out of wack?


ANY THOUGHTS?


---Dom


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93151 26-JUL 00:20 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139)
     From: WDTV5        To: JOHNREED

Thanks John, and I was beginning to think chestnut was picking on me. That
problem does need a fix however since it is/was our archive site! I don't
have the means to pursue it, but someone with 9600 baud access should see
if they can get thru and find out what the problem is. Hummm, is there such
a thing as "postmaster@chesnut.cs.wisc.edu"?
Cheers, Gene

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93152 26-JUL 00:29 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93151)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5

Jim posted a response on the CoCo listserv. If I remember correctly, they
did a software upgrade, annonymous got broken, and Jim was trying to meet
up with the sys admin to get it straightened out. Things should get back
to normal soon with chestnut, I hope. :>

  Randy

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93159 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93139)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNREED

 > And.... for yet ANOTHER end-of-line fixer....
 >
 > I recently downloaded a file called "autolf.lzh" from chestnut
 > (before it quit letting me in -- ??).  Autolf converts
 > any DOS/UNIX/OS-9 text file to the format you specify.

I saw discussion of it.  I understand it does about any combination
of cr/lf lf/cr, etc.

 > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
 > formats - and lets you convert them if you want.

Does the CoCo version do it?  I know the OSK version does.  I have
an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this
thread began..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93160 26-JUL 20:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93132)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > I concur, as yours is no doubt faster than mine (mines sllowww) please do
 > upload yyours.
 > Cheers Dave, Gene

I know.. I tried one under B-09 and it was really slow.. OK for small
files, but huge ones took forever.. I'll dig it out and see what I did
with it.  I can't remember if I just looked at the first character in
the line or not..


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93163 27-JUL 00:30 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93152)
     From: WDTV5        To: RANDYKWILSON

So do I. Thanks Randy, Gene

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93168 29-JUL 08:31 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93159)
     From: JOHNREED     To: DBREEDING

 > > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
 > > formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
 >
 > Does the CoCo version do it?  I know the OSK version does.  I have
 > an older version for the coco, but haven't fired it up since this
 > thread began..

I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too.

JohnW

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93170 29-JUL 15:45 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93168)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNREED

 > > > Also, Bob Van der Poel's "VED" handles all the end-of-line
 > > > formats - and lets you convert them if you want.
 > >
 > > Does the CoCo version do it?  I know the OSK version does.  I have
 > > an older version for the coco,

 > I only have the OSK version, but I think the CoCo version does it too.

I could check it out myself.  Actually, this would probably be the easiest
way to do it..  All you have to do in the OSK version, the latest, at
least, is to make one change in the file and then save.  The version I
have does not save unless something has been done.. If there are CR's
at the begin of the file, I just delete one of them, or just hit space
and then backspace and that'll do it.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93104 23-JUL 01:47 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084)
     From: JMURPHY      To: MITHELEN

> Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it
> GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours
> today playing... lots of fun...
> --
> Paul
>

Cooool!! Will it allow users to read Forum messages,
and d'l files from Databases? Or does it only allow Delphi
to act as an Internet Service Provider?

John Murphy

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93109 23-JUL 01:56 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93104)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JMURPHY

Right now, it only is set up to act at a internet service provoider... Delphi
actually has a seperate system set up for the Beta testers to log into. I
believe that the future plan will be to allow full delphi access. Right now
at least you can telnet back to delphi.com and access your standard Delphi
account. I'll try to keep ya all informed as I learn more...

BTW, I have no idea why I was chosen as a beta tester... perhaps cause I am
part of a SIG staff, or perhaps I signed up for the Internet sig the first day
it was available... it sure is fun testing a new thing though!
--
Paul

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93292 13-AUG 19:21 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93084)
     From: KSCALES      To: MITHELEN

 > Just got a beta test package from Delphi Internet today, and boy is it
 > GREAT! Real Internet services! Netscape! yahoo! I spent at least 4 hours
 > today playing... lots of fun...

Hi, Paul -

Can you access this from your OS-9 system?  Is it fullscreen?  Details,
man, details! <g>

Regards... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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93305 14-AUG 01:52 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Delphi Internet Beta (Re: Msg 93292)
     From: MITHELEN     To: KSCALES

No Ken, sorry to say, it is PC/MSWindows based. Mac version is planed, but
a lot of other folks will be outa luck... But, from what I can tell, if you
had a PPP driver, and Netscape/Mosaic on any other type of system, I don't
see why it would't work with the new planed service, you just wouldn't
get the "Delphi Shell" which is menubar interface to the bundled packages.

I've been meaning to try to connect to the beta service with my Sun and
X-Windows/Mosaic to confirm this, just been too busy lately.
--
Paul

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End of Thread.

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93105 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or
 > any other means for that matter, in finding what device is
 > currently using the std input path(#0)?

Can't you use SS.DevNm ($0E) for that?
    reg.a = [path #]
    reg.b = $0e (SS.DevNm)
    reg.x = ADDR( 32-byte buffer for name string)

After calling GetStatt, to Basic09-ize it, you need to find the last char
in the devnam string, clear the MSB, and append an $FF


 > C, but want to get a couple B09 projects out of the way first. Not
 > abandoning B09, I just have to learn C SOON.

I think C is really neat.  I was truly impressed by B09, it has some
really neat and powerful features.  The biggest gripe about it was
when you wanted to write multi-module programs, and tried to pass
a complex data structure between them, then you had to redefine it
for each module you wanted to use it in.  This becomes quite a
hassle for complex programs.  With C, if you want, you can define
all variables in one file and use this file for all files.  Just
takes one little trick..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93127 23-JUL 15:38 General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93105)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DBREEDING

 Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember
 you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with it.

 See Ya
 >Chris<

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93158 26-JUL 20:40 General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93127)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > Thanks for the tip David. I'll see what I can do with it. I remember
 > you gave me that before, but I don't think I was able to do anything with
 > it.

Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.

What will be returned, remember, is the device name with the MSB
set.  You will need a routine to parse the name... Could you use
F$PrsNm (or is it I$)?  Anyway, would it point to the last character?
Then you would have to POKE    LAND( PEEK(that location), $7f)...

Then, POKE the value $FF into the next memory location.

Do you use "gfx3"?  If so, would you like for me to add that function
to it?  I could have it return a BASIC-ized string if need be.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93204 1-AUG 01:13  General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93024)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > Does anyone have any working Basic09 code that uses Syscall, or
 > any other means for that matter, in finding what device is
 > currently using the std input path(#0)?

Chris:

Here's something I threw together.  I think this should do what you
wanted to do.. You should be able to cut this out and load it into Basic
as is.  All you may need to do is set it to the left margin, or at
least the first line.. It seems that this line has to start at left
margin.. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..

It may be too general for what you wanted, but this is the basic idea..
I didn't hardcode STDIN into it, but you pass the path to the procedure.

You might want to make some modifications to it.. I had it require a
33-byte string instead of a 32-byte string to allow for the $FF string
delimiter for Basic.  Also, you might want to change some of the error
handling...

---------------------- cut -----------------------
  PROCEDURE gs_devnam

  PARAM path:INTEGER
  PARAM devnam:STRING[34]

  TYPE register=CC,A,B,DP:BYTE; X,Y,U:INTEGER
  DIM Reg:register
  DIM plac:INTEGER

  (* First, make sure we have a big enough string storage space

  (* Note: string size defined above purposely extra large, then
  (* .   the size test below will work *)
  IF SIZE(devnam)<33 THEN
  ERROR 56 \(* Parameter error you might want it to tell more
  ENDIF

  Reg.A=path
  Reg.B=$0E \(* SS.DevNm
  devnam="/" \(* start with a leading slash
  Reg.X=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* leave space for leading slash
  RUN SysCall($8D,Reg)

  IF LAND(Reg.CC,$01)<>0 THEN
  ERROR Reg.B
  ENDIF

  (* Now normalize to Basic09 format *)

  plac=ADDR(devnam)+1 \(* First char past "/"

  WHILE LAND(PEEK(plac),$80)=0 DO
  plac=plac+1
  ENDWHILE

  POKE plac,LAND(PEEK(plac),$7F)
  POKE plac+1,$FF

  ---------------------- cut -----------------------


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93211 1-AUG 22:31  General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93204)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING

   David,

> .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..

  Here's a tip to use in all your replies.  Just use a ` .LT ' at
the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return.
This tells Delphi _not_ to format your text that follows.

  That is, Delphi will do a Literal Translation of everything that
follows after the ` .LT '.  Hope this helps...

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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93214 2-AUG 20:42  General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93158)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DBREEDING

         >>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<<

         I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number,
       something like 17220 or close to that. I got your later message on
       how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I
       read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a
       real name, with just the last character's least significant bit
       set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not
       even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on
       devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho,
       because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm
       using, and I want to come back to that when I try it.

         Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix
       like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for
       Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've
       gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS
       what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now
       returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that
       test which device name(number) it is.

         Here's a snippet...

   10 RUN syscall($8D,regs)
   BASE 0

     (* This is where I get the error 55
   IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then
do...

     And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf)

   IF redirect THEN
   IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file
     And, then, from Pipe...
   IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe

         Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2.
       Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base
       of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to
       the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried
       numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0
       and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy
       to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress...

         Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but
       the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing
       it and using it from the command line since the command mode in
       basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the
       error 55. It came pretty close a few times, but  it was still
       munged up, I worked on it some more and now it's even worse, and I
       can't remember half of the other things that were wrong it's
       gotten so complicated. If I was writing a new killer app like a
       spreadsheet, I wouldn't feel so down about this, but it's just
       another DELETE utility I've been working on for about 2 years
       now!<G> And I'm not even doing in C or Assembly( I don't dare to
       think about it).







         I'll get back with further details when I dig up a bit more...
         See ya
         >Chris<

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93216 2-AUG 21:27  General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93211)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > .. I indented them in case Delphi wanted to do some formatting..
 >
 > Here's a tip to use in all your replies.  Just use a ` .LT ' at
 > the first char., on the first line, followed by a carriage return.

I instructed IX to send it unformatted, but I went in and looked at
the request (within IX) to send that message and it didn't say it was
going to do so.  I didn't see anything at the first of the message as
it was input, but  I _did_ see a dot command on the last line, but
I've forgotten what it was.. It could have been .lt, I'm not sure..

I just didn't want to take any chances <G>

BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself?  I tried it for stdout
and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good..

If anyone is using gfx3, I can add that function to it..  I kinda thought
I had done so, but looking at my docs, it doesn't appear so..

                         -- David Breeding --
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93217 2-AUG 22:11  General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93214)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > >>Give it a shot and see what you can come up with.<<
 >
 > I tried it out, and the the value I got was a five digit number,
 > something like 17220 or close to that.

I'm not sure what you are doing, there....  A value?   In my suggestion
(the first, general one, you pass the address of a pre-defined text
buffer into the reg.x..

 > I got your later message on
 > how to convert it, which I haven't tried yet. Still, from what I
 > read in that message, it seems like I should still be getting a
 > real name, with just the last character's least significant bit
 > set to zero(or is it MOST significant bit? Nonetheless, it may not
 > even be the call I'm using(Pd.opt), so I'm going to hold off on
 > devnme until after. I'm still holding on to that message tho,
 > because it is a complicated procedure compared to the call I'm
 > using, and I want to come back to that when I try it.

Just enter that message into a text editor, cut out everything before
and after each of the lines "---- cut ---".  Then, you should delete
all preceding spaces.. in each line.  Save this and probably rename
it to gs_devname.b09 or whatever.  Then it should load into Basic09.

To call it, you first set up a string of at least 33 characters in the
calling program.. Then, for what you are wanting to do, just do the
call as "RUN gs_devnam(0,buffername)"  Note, Do NOT pass buffername
as ADDR, but just the string variable name..  The program will normalize
it to Basic09 format.. it will do everything, and place it in that string.

When you return to the calling program, you then can test that device
name..  It will be preceded by a leading slash.  If you are typing in
from /w7, the string will contain "/w7"+$FF.

I am assuming this is what you want.  Oh, for general purposes, if you
pass the path as a variable, it *MUST* be an integer variable, not
a byte..

 > Considering the nature of OS-9 and it's tendency to have unix
 > like redirection, I'm surprised MW made it this difficult for
 > Basic09 to be able to handle the device it is dealing with. I've
 > gotten to the point where yes when done right, the program KNOWS
 > what device it is using, but acts completely different and is now
 > returning error #55(subscript out of range) at the first line that
 > test which device name(number) it is.
 >
 > Here's a snippet...
 >
 > 10 RUN syscall($8D,regs)
 > BASE 0
 >
 > (* This is where I get the error 55
 > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=0 THEN (* If Std Input is from Keyboard then
 > do...

How are you getting pd_dtp?  You would have to have done _gs_opt to
get this..  What's optbuffer?

 > And then further down, checks if it is from a file(rbf)
 >
 > IF redirect THEN
 > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=1 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a file
 > And, then, from Pipe...
 > IF optbuffer(pd_dtp)=2 THEN (* If Std Input is redirected from a pipe

Is optbuffer an opt buffer gotten by _gs_opt?  If so, then you need to
have set this up by a TYPE statement..  And this would have to be
referenced as "optbuffer.pd_dtp"

If you're just trying to determine the device type, then you don't need
the devname call, just the gs_opt call  (actually, do a GetStt using
the SS.Opt number.

Again, it is possible that you could utilize "gfx3" for this.. I know this
call is in there.. However, you need to set up an Opt buffer with the
TYPE statement.  Look into your Tech Manual at the Opt buffer, or look
at your os9defs file in your SYS directory.. Set up the buffer def,
using BYTE types for 1-byte values, and INTEGER's for two-byte values.
Now you are on your way.

 > Now, you noticed, I numbered them in this case, 0,1,2.
 > Previously Randy told me why not to do this, unless I use a base
 > of 0 I believe(which I do in this case), because base refers to
 > the offset, and not the actual item number. Now I've tried
 > numbering both as 1,2,3 and 0,1,2 with every combination of base 0
 > and 1 and it still isn't working. Of course, it was nice of Tandy
 > to point this stuff out in the manual, but I digress...

It _is_ in the manual, of sorts.. you just have to interpret it a
little   <G>

 > Previously, it was working fine in the basic environment, but
 > the only way I could test the redirected input was after packing
 > it and using it from the command line since the command mode in
 > basic09 won't let you do it. That is when I started getting the
 > error 55. It came pretty close a few times,

The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_ be leaving
the variables randomized with whatever value happens to be in the space
allocated for that variable, and not set to zero.. I can't remember..
It seems that between RS-Basic and Basic09, one presets all initialized
variables to zero and the other doesn't... it's been a while..  But,
from what I'm looking at, you may not be going at the problem in the
way you think you are.

If you want to, give us a capsule review of exactly what you are trying
to do.. As I said, if all you are trying to do is determine the TYPE
of device you are reading, then you don't need gs_devnm, but the
gs_opt call.. or it seems more applicable.

If you're trying to determine the type from the name, you have a lot of
variances to consider... Just for drives, you have /d0, /d1, /d2, /h0,
on... <G>  And how many serial devices do we have?.

                         -- David Breeding --
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93314 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93217)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DBREEDING

         >>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<<

         It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at
       now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks
       as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device
       using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly
       able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which
       would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my
       PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it
       most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is
       working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the
       problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather
       straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it
       wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin).

         By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is
       called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section
       which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the
       program).

         Where I'm at now, my parameter reading section is rather clumsy
       looking, and I'm looking into another way of reading the options
       off the command line as I think problems with that area alone are
       responsible for me getting 6 different results for every 5 times I
       run it. I'm serious, this program is mega diced up now, I really
       brought the axe out on this one. Partly my fault for letting so
       much time lapse between sessions with it(which I can't help),
       therefore causing me to forget a lot of details, and also mostly
       I'm blaming Tandy and it's manuals again for dropping the ball(on
       my foot), and not educating me on these pitfalls ;-)

         After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF
       statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to
       use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather
       each one has a different way of gathering filenames.

         >>The reason it works differently each time is that B09 _could_
       be leaving the variables randomized with whatever value happens to
       be in the space...<<

         Yes, Basic09 does this, and that is probably the problem here. I
       had to insert a couple more variables to be preinit'd. I'll have
       to print it out and check for more loose cannons.

         See Ya
        >Chris< 'the tired and confused<G>'

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93328 18-AUG 01:02 General Information
     RE: Basic09 Programming (Re: Msg 93314)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > >>I'm not sure what you are doing, there....A value?<<
 >
 > It seems like that is what's being returned. From where I'm at
 > now(basically where I have been for the last year), it now looks
 > as though, it's not a problem of figuring out what the the device
 > using the path 0 is, but more or less, the program isn't correctly
 > able to recieve the data in proper fashion. I ran tests which
 > would print the number returned by the syscall(this is using my
 > PD_DTP call) and they came back steady. So I'm finding that it
 > most likely is recognising the right device and the call itself is
 > working. It is how the data is handled afterwards which is the
 > problem. I honestly can't figure out why, as the code looks rather
 > straighforward, and if the compiterpretor is worth anything, it
 > wouldn't be causing me grief with it(grin).
 >
 > By the way yes, the call I'm using is a getstat, SS.opt(as it is
 > called in the book). The buffer it reads is the PD.opt section
 > which is, I believe 32 or so bytes long(whatever I wrote in the
 > program).

I think I already told you this, I can't remember.  But if I remember
correctly, you had attempted to create a 32-byte ARRAY.  You can't do
it this way.  What you need to do is set up a structure, using the
TYPE statement.  Look in your manual at the OPT structure.  Set up
the structure by defining each element using as much similar name
as you can.  Where the element is one byte, set it up as a BYTE, where it
is two bytes, set it up as INTEGER.  Then you DIM a variable to this
type, say DOPT.  Then, to read the device type, just read the
variable DOPT.TYP (or whatever).

 > After that, I have to check on the sections following each IF
 > statement that determines the device. My dream is to find a way to
 > use one input or get routine to use for each device, but I gather
 > each one has a different way of gathering filenames.

I've forgotten what you are doing.. You're reading a directory, right?
Maybe if you refreshed our memories on what you are doing..?

                         -- David Breeding --
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93106 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93039)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

Hey, Digigrade, long time, no see...

 > (boy, what a thread, nerds with ovens :)

Heh-heh.. _this_ bunch is liable to talk about _anything_   <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
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93219 3-AUG 02:03  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 93074)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: ISC


    Actually, I have been eating better. Geez seemed like ages ago I
posted that. Or wrote it that is. Stir fry vegitables (yes vegi-tables),
chicken & rice (golden sautee' mostly) and the occasional meat or pasta
dish. You can add a potato to just about anything too.


     Dave



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93107 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93040)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

 > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
 > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have

Glad to see ya back.  How does it feel being back on  "good" <G>
machine    ;-)

 > powered up InfoXpress again and found requests waiting! Well, I had to
 > delete most of them because people think your a real dweeb responding
 > to a 3 month old message.

 > Anyhow, part of why I'm back on the MM/1 day to day is because
 > Delphi readers for other machines are grotesque.

 >  I have to thank you again Bill for
 > such an awesome mail reader! To think a program this useful is actually
 > on OS9/6809 is hard. The like hasn't been seen for allmost a decade.

IMO, it _is_ a truly great piece of work.  I depend on it entirely for
my mail here and on CI$


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
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93260 8-AUG 16:01  General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93107)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING

 > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
 > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
 >
 > Glad to see ya back.  How does it feel being back on  "good" <G>
 > machine    ;-)

     Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a
68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone know
why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the MM/1?
(I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or do they
all work for Microware now? :)



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93262 8-AUG 21:03  General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: DIGIGRADE

On 8-AUG 16:01 DIGIGRADE said to DBREEDING
   > > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
   > > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I
   >have >
   > > Glad to see ya back.  How does it feel being back on  "good" <G>
   > > machine    ;-)
   > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
   > the MM/1's getting a little old. Now if there could be an MM/x with a
   > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
   >know why we can't plug in an '040? What upgrades could be made to the
   >MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors) Are there enough programmers left or
   >do they all work for Microware now? :)

Bill Wittman has a few 68340 accellerator kits available. Try getting in
touch with him about that!


Francis (Frank) Swygert
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine

`[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered

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93263 9-AUG 07:21  General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
     From: JEJONES      To: DIGIGRADE

 > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
 > the MM/1's getting a little old.

Only a little, IMHO--I plan to keep using mine for some time.  The only
things that I really wish were different are

 - the decision to go with XT-flavored keyboards.  (That's one that I
   really can't figure.)
 - tying it to the VSC chip.  (I guess the thought of doing CD-i sorts
   of things, or maybe video a la Amiga, was tempting, but OTOH, it was
   getting hard to find 15.whatever KHz scan rate monitors even then,
   and I'd really like to have more text on the screen and nicer fonts
   than one can do in 8 * 8.)

(There's a minor thing or two I wish were different, notably that I
wish the boards and such would go in PClonish cases without drilling
and other finagling.  I want to switch to one of those dual 3.5/5.25"
floppies, and I'd like to go to a minitower case so one wouldn't have
to pull all the peripherals to move any of them.)

I may have to check out the 10 Mbyte hack; I ran out of RAM compiling
lout with Ultra C.  (lout does some of the kinds of things that X
windows source does (or did last time I looked at it), namely heavily
used the preprocessor to do the moral equivalent of inlining.)

 > Now if there could be an MM/x with a
 > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
 > know why we can't plug in an '040?

Probably the main thing is that the 68340, like the 68070, has some on-chip
hardware that the 040 doesn't.  (DMA and serial I/O come to mind.)

 > What upgrades could be made to the MM/1? (I.E. CPUs & Co-Processors)

You'd have to ask a hardware person that question.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93281 12-AUG 14:53 General Information
     RE: IX is back in action (Re: Msg 93260)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

 > > > Well guys, after spending 3 months getting aquainted with my new
 > > > Macintosh, I have decided to give equal time back to my MM/1. I have
 > >
 > > Glad to see ya back.  How does it feel being back on  "good" <G>
 > > machine    ;-)
 >
 > Feels great! I'm ready to buy the next great OS9 machine though,
 > the MM/1's getting a little old.

Great to see such enthusiasm.  I dunno whether I'd worry about my MM/1
yet.  It has a few features that are really neat.

 > Now if there could be an MM/x with a
 > 68040 like my Macintosh, I'm shure it would be a success. BTW, anyone
 > know why we can't plug in an '040?

A 68040 would be neat.  My system, a System 5, has a plug-in CPU board.
As of now, the highest CPU available is a 33 MHz 68020.  I am a little
afraid, though that it will not be economically feasible for them to
design any further CPU boards.  I really don't know about the demand.

 > Are there enough programmers left or do
 > they all work for Microware now? :)

Heh-heh..  MW may be getting all of them <G>...

I have not seen anything -new- coming out lately.  There have been some
upgrades to software.  But you never know when something will pop up.


                         -- David Breeding --
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93108 23-JUL 01:56 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93061)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > The only real problems that I have had was with the "bugs"
 > in OS-9 L2.

 > But, since my
 > last HD crash I have had to rebuild my boot and find that I
 > am having some of those problems again.  I get lost and/or
 > garbaged characters in the forum messages, I lose my cursor
 > after leaving Mail and the Internet, etc.  All I have to do
 > is try to remember what I did before.

I remember the thread about the disappearing cursor.. I will see if I
have the messages saved...  It's easy to forget what you did several
months ago..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
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93110 23-JUL 01:57 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93062)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > >Perhaps your MPI could be doing something in your case, too?
 >
 > I agree that the posibility is there that the MPI could be at
 > fault.  But, I was using it with my 6809 CoCo long before I ever
 > decided to go with a 6309.  I had no problems hardware wise that
 > I can remember.

I think my MPI did alright once but suddely it did not do certain
floppy I/O stuff..

 > Like I said earlier, this CoCo has been more
 > than trustworthy.  Come to think of it, the only hardware pro-
 > blems that I really have had were my HDs dieing on me left and
 > right.

I must say that I certainly got some tremendously good service out
of my cocos.  I don't think I ever had a single breakdown in the
computer itself.. except once I had to reseat my GIME..

 > Maybe someone (Tony D.) can invent an IDE interface to
 > the CoCo.  Then I can just buy a new one and not worry about it
 > for about 5 years or so!

That would be the best solution.  I would certainly like to see a
single cartridge handle the whole thing.  I have an SC-2 and a
4-in-1 board for my coco, but the only drawback is that the RS-232
port does not support RTS/CTS.  I understand that he did have a few
cards that did do this, but at the time, I was getting my OSK system
and I just didn't see buying another 4-in-1.

I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
card, too.  I think this would really help.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
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93119 23-JUL 12:01 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93108)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,

 >... It's easy to forget what you did several months ago.

  What I did was more like back in '92 and '93.  That is a long way
back to try to remember what one did to fix something, especially
when it is a one time fix.  The disappearing cursor happens
just as I exit MAIL.  I have a cursor in MAIL.  The same thing hap-
pens on the Internet.  And these blasted random characters that
just creep onto my screen at the cursor, drive me batty, especially
in a situation like now when I am replying to a message.  If I see
that I made a mistake and go to backspace, if there are any of those
random characters I have to backspace that many less spaces or my
text looks $%&#%$!y.  That last bunch of characters was meant as
an explative and were not random.  That is just about what I see
though.  Most of the time it is just a pair of dots as in .. !
They do disappear when I am finished with the message, where they
go is beyond me and why they appear is baffeling(sp).  Oh well...
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93120 23-JUL 12:17 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93110)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hello again...

 >I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
 >card, too.

  Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make
new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine?  It is like these
people that restore very old cars like from the 30s, say.
If, they need to replace something that is no longer made commer-
cially they will either have to make it themselves or pay out
the BIG $$$ to have someone do it for them.  I guess part of it
is nostalgic.  I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to
face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer
OS9/68XXX machines.  The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite
what we may feel about it!  Am I trying to convince myself to buy
one of these newer machines?  Maybe so!
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93135 23-JUL 20:25 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93119)
     From: GREGL        To: 01GEN40

Just went into Mail with monitor on and see that it sends 1B 3E 1B 5B on
exit. I think one of these is the "cursor off" command in OS-9. Actually it
means something to VT-100 terminals but OS-9 interprets it as "cursor off."

        -- Greg

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93144 25-JUL 20:08 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93120)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > >I think it would be great to see an additional serial port on the
 > >card, too.
 >
 > Problem is though, why would anyone go to such lengths to make
 > new periferals(sp) for an obsolete machine?

You are definitely right.  I guess I like to sit and daydream...

 > .  I guess we CoCo users are just going to have to
 > face the fact that we will eventually have to upgrade to the newer
 > OS9/68XXX machines.  The CoCo just will not last forever, dispite
 > what we may feel about it!

Yes.  That is the main reason that I decided to upgrade.  I still
love the CoCo immensely.  I go back to it to do a few things at times
and it's actually a good feeling.  But the reality of the fact is,
as you mentioned, that there will come a time where you can't get
parts for them and it would be impractical to make a lot of the stuff
yourself, even if you have the capability.

 > Am I trying to convince myself to buy
 > one of these newer machines?  Maybe so!

I must say that I am totally thrilled with my OSK system.  Sometimes
I look around and see the stuff that is available for the "mainstreams",
but when I see what I can do with this one, it begins to matter
less.


                         -- David Breeding --
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93177 30-JUL 11:52 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93144)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to
get parts for our beloved CoCo.  I just received another "hands
on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices
that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so
they put in a suitable replacement for them with information,
schematics and pinouts so I can adapt them correctly.  Out with
the old and in with the new and improved I guess.  I have noticed
that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5
years out of date.  I guess it just takes time for them to get
the material updated.  Some of it has been, say, to about 2 years
ago. But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the
maximum size.  Oh well...
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93187 30-JUL 22:11 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93177)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Ya know, it is quite funny you should mention not being able to
 > get parts for our beloved CoCo.  I just received another "hands
 > on" kit for this course I am taking and with it came a few notices
 > that 2 of the original parts, 1 an IC, are no longer available so
 > they put in a suitable replacement for them

Well, as long as one can at least substitute a part, things will be OK..
The problem for people like me, who don't really have a good grasp of
what the chips are, it will become a little more difficult..

 >  I have noticed
 > that the information being conveyed in the lessons is about 5
 > years out of date.  I guess it just takes time for them to get
 > the material updated.

I guess that is to be expected..  It does take time to get the books
published and the like..

 > . But, some af the lessons still state that a 40 Meg HD is the
 > maximum size.

Wow!  You mean a whole, full 40 Meg???

I'd consider 40 meg as a minimum for a coco, now.. When I installed a
HD on my coco - I'd guess about 5 years ago - I looked and saw that at
that time the most cost-effective size was 80 meg, and I had thoughts
of upgrading to an OSK machine or PC and thought I'd be able to move it
over, so I got it.  I usually keep around 20 meg on it...  Actually,
I think it formatted out to about 70 Meg.  All the room I'll ever
need for the coco, but hardly enough for anything else..

I have about 90 Meg tied up on my OSK machine right now (it's a 210),
but this will grow, I'm sure.  I try to keep old text files and stuff
cleaned off, but there's always a little junk lying around.. <G>

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93249 6-AUG 12:31  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93187)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,

  re: Substitute chips...

  Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either,
that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these
things.  It is quite tough!  I should have started with this
endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough
to fully comprehend things.  Oh welll...

  re: Hard drives...

  The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are
now having capacities OVER 100 Megs.  Shees, I see adds for HDs
over the gigabyte mark!  Is that behind the times or what?  The
technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad-
vance by leaps and bounds.  It is no wonder that school books are
so far behind.  I read different computer related magazines so that
I can keep current with the newest of trends.  These lessons have
not even mentioned the Pentium yet.  They have mentioned the 486
but they stick predomonantly with the 386 and under.  As far as
MS-DOS goes, they have not mentioned any version over V5.0.  I am
using V6.22 at work and see that some of the earlier utilities
and such, mentioned in the lessons, are no longer a part of DOS.
There was one utility in particular, they had talked about, that
I wanted to try at work.  I do not even remember what it was, but
it is no longer with the newer DOS.  Oh well, such as it seems...

  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93256 7-AUG 01:28  General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93249)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Well, like you, I do not have a full grasp of the chips either,
 > that is why I am taking this course and trying to learn these
 > things.  It is quite tough!  I should have started with this
 > endevour many more years ago when my brain was still young enough
 > to fully comprehend things.

I always have had an interest in electronics but never did get started.
As with your comment,  I think I have waited too long to get started
now.

 > The lesson I am currently doing has just mentioned that HDs are
 > now having capacities OVER 100 Megs.  Shees, I see adds for HDs
 > over the gigabyte mark!  Is that behind the times or what?

I'd say yes.  I wonder just how long it takes from the time a rough
draft for a book is submitted till it is finally published.  And in
the case of schools, after the book comes out, how long does it take
before it is adopted by the school and then till it is actually put
to use?  No doubt that current technology has made several leaps during
this time frame.

If what you're taking is a correspondence course, I'd say these schools
may not be very fast to change.. just a guess here, though.

  The
 > technology of computers is far in advance and continuing to ad-
 > vance by leaps and bounds.  It is no wonder that school books are
 > so far behind.  I read different computer related magazines so that
 > I can keep current with the newest of trends.

This is the best way to do so, IMO..


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93287 13-AUG 11:47 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93256)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one.  I like this
because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather
than that set down in a classroom.  If I do not understand something
right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of
"falling behind the rest of the class".
  I feel that I must be learning something too.  I had to build an
esperiment lab for doing different circuit experiments.  Part of the
lab is a function generator that generates a square and triangular
waveform in low, medium and high frequency.  It uses a 1458 dual
op-amp.  I was having major problems with generating a waveform in
low frequency.  Medium and high worked fine.  My initial suspicion
was the 1458.  They had supplied me with a 4558, my guess it was a
pin for pin compatible IC.  I went and bought a couple of 1458s.
For about 3 days I kept checking different sections of the gener-
ator and even all my solder joints.  Nothing affected any major
change.  I was able to get it to work sometimes but when it was
used in a test circuit, it quit.  A freind of mine brought over
his O-Scope and we discovered that the signal would always go high.
I replaced the 4558 with a 1458 and it works flawlessly now.  My
first instinct was correct afterall.
  My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount
of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo.  A
little "hands on" experience if you will.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
Peace and Long Life...
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
-= GEN =-

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93297 13-AUG 21:50 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93287)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Yes, the course I am taking is a corresondence one.  I like this
 > because I can pace myself as I like, learn at my own speed rather
 > than that set down in a classroom.  If I do not understand something
 > right away I can go through and redo the lesson without the fear of
 > "falling behind the rest of the class".

Yes, a correspondence course in something like this is the way to
go.  For someone who is holding a job, classroom courses are quite
inconvenient, to say the least.

 > My freind has let me use his scope for an indeterminant amount
 > of time, so I think I my try to diagnos my ailling 6309 CoCo.  A
 > little "hands on" experience if you will.

If I were going to do much electronic work, a 'scope would be one of my
first purchases.  I have the Tech Manual for the CoCo.  From what I can
determine from looking at the manual, a scope is almost indespensable
in tracking down some problems.

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93351 20-AUG 11:51 General Information
     RE: Fest (Re: Msg 93297)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  I, too, have the Service manual for the CoCo 3 and I agree, it
does look as if a scope would be an indespensable tool in diagnosing
problems.  I have been experimenting with it, keeping it hooked up
to my experimental lab.  It sure is nice to see a display of what is
happening in my test circuits rather than to try to picture what is
happening just by looking at the readings of my multi-meter.
  I am really having a blast with my current experiments.  They are
dealing with logic circuits.  I still have the last circuit on the
lab and it looks like a mass of green sspaghetti.  The coomponents
consist of 2 4013 ICs.  I must have 20 or more wires hooking the
ICs together creating a 4 stage ripple counter.  I already knew what
the outcome of this experiment would be before I built the circuit.
With 4 inputs, there are 2 to the 4th power outputs or 16.  Piece of
cake.  I wanted to see how the LEDs would respond, so I built the
circuit anyway and I was right, there were 16 different LED responses.
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
Peace and Long Life...
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
-= GEN =-

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93112 23-JUL 01:57 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93050)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 >   And thanks again to
 > Dave (NIMITZ) who's been quite helpful all along. *smile*

Hopefully you will be up to speed soon.  I'm sure NIMITZ and the
rest of us will be happy to give you all the assistance possible
to get you up going.

It's really bad that you weren't able to get your system going from
the start.  You have lost a lot of time in getting everything together,
but maybe now, you will be able to continue.  It takes time to get
a system put together the way you want it.

We've talked before..  Do you use your computer in business or is it
strictly personal use?  If you need any suggestions on software,
be sure to ask..

                         -- David Breeding --
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93125 23-JUL 15:03 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93088)
     From: NIMITZ       To: KNOT1

BlackHawk Enterprises, Inc.
P.O. Box 10552
Enid, OK  73706-0552



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93143 25-JUL 03:48 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93112)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either,
at the time.  I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful
machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in
particular.  But things got messed up with my order at IMS, and then
they went out of business before it was fixed.  Even more unfortunate
is that I don't have the extra money I had had at the time back then.

So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and
it kept me happy enough. :-)  Then it died and so back came the MM/1,
which I had been trying to get back up to speed beforehand as well.
Just sorta became more important now. :-)

To answer your question, I use it just for personal use.  And nicely
enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you
actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1.  Just the trick of
grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-)

Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the
_os9() call on it. :-)

So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure
I'll be asking if need help. :-)

    - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -


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93161 26-JUL 20:41 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93143)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 > Yeah, I was rather disappointed about it not working out either,
 > at the time.  I had been rather excited about getting a new, powerful
 > machine that still did all the things my Coco did and more (OS-9) in
 > particular.  But things got messed up with my order at IMS,

I can imagine how disappointing that would be.

 > So I had stuck with my CoCo which was still working and had a HD, and
 > it kept me happy enough. :-)  Then it died and so back came the MM/1,

The CoCo still is a match for most other systems in many respects even
now.  The biggest drawback to it now is its speed on intensive stuff,
but it does well.

 > To answer your question, I use it just for personal use.  And nicely
 > enough, I found if you copy all the right stuff to a floppy, you
 > actually *can* compile C with a one floppy MM/1.  Just the trick of
 > grabbing the right stuff from different disks. :-)

My use is strictly personal, too.. well, I do keep my business records
on it, but they are quite simple.

With judicious care, you _can_ do well with a floppy.  I believe I
could have gotten by on the coco for a long time with one 360 and
two 720's.  I never tried it, but I think it would have gotten me
by. Of course, after getting used to a HD, anything seems slow..
And to think.. at one time, we thought we were flying if we had a
tape recorder <G>

 > Now I just need to figure all the differences, like how to do the
 > _os9() call on it. :-)

They _do_ work a little differently.  Do you have much trouble with
the difference between the parameters between the coco and OSK?
I mean where OSK precedes most parameters with "-", it gets a little
confusing at times.

 > So here's to getting things all up to speed, and you can be sure
 > I'll be asking if need help. :-)

I'm sure everyone will be quite happy to help.


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93195 31-JUL 20:44 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer!  Right
under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem.  Sorta
like archeology. :-)
  Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
hopefully an I/O board or another before long.
  Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
board?  I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.

    - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -

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93199 31-JUL 23:38 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93161)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

And oh, re the _os9() function..  I'm not really up on the differences
at all, no, as I don't have any docs other than for my Coco OS-9
Level II.  Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line
or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the
MM/1?  I had only gotten a few sheets of paper explaining hot to put
the MM/1 together and some stuff like that.  It'd certainly be of
help.  I wouldn't have to guess at it so much. :-)

Thanks.
    - Jamie (KNOT1 / internet"wilmoth@msen.com") -

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93202 31-JUL 23:45 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 > Yes, I still have my tape recorder right next to my computer!  Right
 > under my 2400bps modem, which is under my high speed modem.  Sorta
 > like archeology. :-)

Heh-heh.. The old stuff does bring back fond memories... <G>
I never connected a modem faster than 2400 to my coco..

BTW.. this question is addressed to anyone..  I had SACIA installed on
my coco, but every time I tried a 19.2 K-baud connect, my whole system
would crash.. I think I tried the buffer size at maximum..  Was this
normal?

 > Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
 > hopefully an I/O board or another before long.

The I/O board would be the best bet.. It has the HD interface, doesn't
it?  I just have the one 1.44 floppy on mine.  I've thought of adding
another one, can't make up my mind as to what size I'd want, whether
it would be best to use a 5 1/4 or another 3.5...  For coco transfers,
I just use the "sneaker net" method of using a 720 K 3.5 transferred
back and forth.. I could connect them via serial ports, but my setup
is kinda unhandy to get them close enough <G>

 > Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
 > board?  I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
 > have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.

Do you have a serial printer driver where you could use one of your
serial ports?  If not, maybe someone has one you could install.

Hmmm... I just looked at my "devs".. I have a "p1" descriptor, and it
uses "sc68681" the same as my modem driver...  perhaps all you need is
a serial printer cable..  and either a serial printer or serial-parallel
converter.. I'm not sure if a CoCo converter would work.

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93203 1-AUG 00:02  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93199)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 > And oh, re the _os9() function..  I'm not really up on the differences
 > at all,

I just looked in my manual... it doesn't list the _os9() function..   I
believe this is an Ultra C call.  I was thinking of the function
os9exec().. I _think_ it is a little different from the coco in its
parameters..  The description for the function takes up 2 pages..

 >  Are there new docs available for the MM/1 either on-line
 > or for sale that would help me with all the different things of the
 > MM/1?

I don't know of anything online.. perhaps someone does..  You can purchase
the manuals from MicroWare, but the are rather proud of them..  I _think_
they charge about $200 for them.. It could be that Nimitz might have
some special deal where he might be able to give you a break..


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93220 3-AUG 03:10  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93203)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just
have to do without until the I/O board.  $200 for docs?  Geesh, you
just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that.  They must be very
proud it would seem. :-)
  About the coco and faster than 2400 bps.  I was about to 9600 under
my own term program, which dynamicly sized reads and writes to keep
up with the flow, but would still occationally miss a few characters
at that speed.  At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real
problems, even futzin' around in another window.
  Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have.  Will
just be a matter of working up to better things.  Gives ya' something
to look forward to.  *smirk*
  And oh, the floppy drives.  My choice was for two 3.5" ones, as I
also had a 720K 3.5" for my Coco and the High Density ones could
still read that, and then I could use it for copying MM/1 floppies as
well.  Plus right now, why I want it, is so that I can leave the boot
disk in drive and work on other disks as well, and not have to pop it
out and pop in the boot one to load in some misc. little command I
want to use that's not already in memory, which is what I have to do
currently.  Would basicly make life easier until I get that hard
drive. :-)
  And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up
sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound
connector (P5) by the power light and video ones.  Is that port
conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or
something?

    - Jamie -

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93230 4-AUG 20:09  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 > Hmmm, I'll try and check into the serial printer port, or might just
 > have to do without until the I/O board.  $200 for docs?  Geesh, you
 > just about buy a not to bad a hard drive for that.  They must be very
 > proud it would seem. :-)

It seems that I'm correct in the price for the docs.  It is a bunch, but
I guess it might be worth it if you didn't have them..

It might not be too hard to get a serial port up and running.  Did you
check your install disks to see if there are any device descriptors by
the name of "p1" or the like?  If not, I'm sure you could edit one of
your comm drivers or if you have source for one, just edit this and
assemble under a name you like.. Mine is p1, sounds logical..

 > About the coco and faster than 2400 bps.  I was about to 9600 under

 >  At 4800 it would run quite nicely, with no real
 > problems, even futzin' around in another window.

If I remember correctly, this is about my experience.  It seems that
at 9600, I would get a few misses.  At 19.2, I think I said already,
it was total crash.

 > Well, the main thing is I can get on-line with what I do have.  Will
 > just be a matter of working up to better things.  Gives ya' something
 > to look forward to.  *smirk*

Hopefully you can upgrade fairly painlessly now.

 > And speaking of docs and ports, I was looking over those set-up
 > sheets I got from IMS with my MM/1, and it does seem to show a sound
 > connector (P5) by the power light and video ones.  Is that port
 > conveniently useful, or that basicly to connect to the I/O board or
 > something?

I really don't know..  I don't have an MM/1 so am not familiar with
the connections.  Perhaps someone here will shed a little light on
it..

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93232 5-AUG 01:08  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93220)
     From: WA2EGP       To: KNOT1

 P5 is a "sound output location. Pin 1 is sound-out, pin 2 grounded. Same
 as sound output on the CM-8 monitor."  That is from my docs.  I hooked up the
 speaker in the case to that (I think).  Hard to tell now with all the stuff
 I got crammed into that box.  Any other questions, let me know.  I might be
 able to answer them (grin).

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93240 5-AUG 21:57  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93230)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could
for the I/O board and parallel.  I'll have to play around with it and
try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk.
Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2*
sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer,
write what I want from the MM/1 onto a Coco readable disk and use
the Coco 2 to print it.  Now there's a slightly convulted process
for ya. :-)   Hmmm, small glitch:  Would have to be RSDOS readable.
Ahh well, can't win them all. :-)

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93241 5-AUG 22:01  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93232)
     From: KNOT1        To: WA2EGP

Ahhh, nice.  I'll jot that all down, and next time got the case open
will take a look at it.  If works with the internal speaker, you
might have thought they'd at least mention that, if not actually
hook it up to it. :-)  I do get the 'beep' on boot up, but nothing
else.  I was thinking of at least getting so I could hear the bell
tone when a character 0x07 is sent to a window. :-)

    - Jamie -

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93247 6-AUG 01:32  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1

 > Yes, I'm very sure there are descriptors of "p1" and such, but could
 > for the I/O board and parallel.

I'd suspect that if you have a "p1" it might well be serial..  Of course
the descriptors might vary from system to system, but I have a "/p",
which is parallel, and also a "/p1", but it is serial.

 > I'll have to play around with it and
 > try it when want it bad enough to make a new boot disk.

It isn't that hard to make a boot disk.  OS9Gen works practically like
the CoCo Os9Gen.  Only a couple of variables different.. I suppose you
know that you can type about any command and follow it with "-?" and
it will give you a brief descriptionof the commands.

however, you don't even have to make a boot disk.  If you have that
serial printer descriptor, just load it.  If you don't have a serial
printer dscr. do you have source code for /t1 or the like?  if so,
you can change the name of it and reset your initialization settings
and assemble a new one.  Or... for test purposes, just take one of
your /t? descriptors, xmode the correct values in, hook it to a serial
printer and list something >/t?  It should work...

 > Hmmmm, if really desparate enough, I could hook up my old Coco *2*
 > sitting around (assuming it still runs) with the floppies and printer,

Do you have OS9 Level 1?  You might want to find one of the modified
CCDisks that will read double-sided disks and go from there..

 >  Now there's a slightly convulted process
 > for ya. :-)

Yeah, it is..  If you can get a printer connected to your MM/1, I think
you would be happier.

 > Hmmm, small glitch:  Would have to be RSDOS readable.

See above...

 > Ahh well, can't win them all. :-)

Yeah, you can.. just have faith <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
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93255 7-AUG 01:16  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93240)
     From: WA2EGP       To: KNOT1

the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel ports.
I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet.  I may be wrong
but I thought I heard (saw?) that /p1 doesn't work so well.  Of course, I never
had to run two printers at once (grin).  I have heard of people hooking up
a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details on that.
Heck, you might be able to pick up an old 9 pin (head), parallel  printer at
a fleamarket for cheap.  (Got one for $5 once.....it worked too!)  Or borrow
one from a PC friend.  If you have the basic system, you do have /t0 so you
could try that for a serial printer.

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93258 7-AUG 13:49  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255)
     From: MITHELEN     To: WA2EGP

Both parallel ports work equally as well, as long as you don't use them
at the same time...
--
Paul

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93259 7-AUG 23:25  OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93258)
     From: WA2EGP       To: MITHELEN

Aw gee!  Ya can't? (grin)  I don't think I would even try but I guess if
someone did have a reason to, there might be a "work around" that would
possibly solve the problem.  This OS-9 bunch is a rather imaginative group.

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93270 10-AUG 21:26 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93255)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

I'm addressing this to the wrong person, but I'll just leave it this way <G>

 > the /tX descriptors are serial ports, the /pX descriptors are parallel
 > ports. I put in connectors for /p and /p1 but haven't used /p1 yet.

I guess that depends on the system.. My "/p1" (on a Delmar) is a serial
printer descriptor.. It's linked to sc68681.

 >  I have heard of people hooking
 > up a serial printer to one of the /tX ports but I don't have any details
 > on that.

Since mine depends on sc68681, it appears all you have to do is to
"xmode" the parameters.  Probably all you might need to change is the
"lf" option, but others might need changing, too.. FWIW, here's my xmode
for my p1, if it will help:

1.win: xmode /p1
noupc nobsb bsl noecho lf null=0 nopause pag=66 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D
eof=1B reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07
type=00 baud=9600 xon=11 xoff=13 tabc=09 tabs=4

Looks like mine has "bsb" set to "no, too.  If the printer is set up like
for a coco, providing its own linefeeds, you would have to set "lf" to no.

It should be just a matter of then getting a cable.  I don't know what it
would take for that.


 >  If you have the basic system, you
 > do have /t0 so you could try that for a serial printer.

I believe that's what I'd try unless I thought I'd be getting a board quite
soon..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
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93274 11-AUG 01:18 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93270)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel
port.  Since it was (supposed to be) originally designed to be a step up
from the CoCo and use the same peripherals (like the CM-8 monitor), I wonder
how true that is when the basic machine has serial ports but no info on how
to hook up your serial printer to it.  I know it is easier to get parallel
printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic system, it
would have been nice to have this information so they can use the printer
they already have.  This was the question I remember...how to hook a printer
to it.  Included was a question about serial printers.

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93279 12-AUG 01:29 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274)
     From: KNOT1        To: WA2EGP

Okay, first off, I did get my update disk!  Hurrah! :-)  Thanks for
the suggestions here and NIMITZ for MM/1 support in providing it and
all his other fine products! $Plug$ :-)  Really though, it is nice to
be more up to speed, even if it did take me a few days to get things
running right.  One of the main things was the way it boots it looks
almost like a crash, so I would always take the disk out at that point.
When I finally gave up and left the disk in there to be 'eaten', wha'la
it boots up. :-)

Now to follow up, yes, it's an MM/1 basic system, with no I/O board
yet, but am rappidly saving up for one RSN (actual milage may vary).
The printers I have are a Star NX-1000 (appears to be parallel - uses
Blue Streak Ultima to connect when had on my CoCo) and of course the
old stand-by original Tandy DMP 105, which I believe has both modes,
though the serial is that 5-pin din jack on the back.

Checking the module disk, there are both /p and /p1 desctriptors, but
they don't seem to be included in the standard system boot lists, so
assumedly don't work if only have the T0 port.

And then, basing from what you and others have suggested, I would
mainly need to find a new cable for the printer that connects to it
in serial and to the plug on the back of the MM/1 (actually in my case,
hanging out the back, as didn't really have a good way to mount them
with just some slat-like openings in the back).  So that'd probably
have to be the DMP105, unless can find a way to still use the Blue
Streak adaptor.  Also means I wouldn't be using it while modeming I
assume. :-)

Thanks again, everyone.  I'll hopefully soon be uploading here my
first program of at least minor significance I've made on my MM/1 with
C:  A spiffy little 'screen saver' sorta program.  Was a good first
project. :-)

    - Jamie -


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93285 13-AUG 00:18 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93274)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > I believe the machine in question was an MM/1 in which p1 IS a parallel
 > port.   I know it is easier to
 > get parallel printers but for any one who can just barely afford the basic
 > system, it would have been nice to have this information so they can use
 > the printer they already have.  This was the question I remember...how to
 > hook a printer to it.  Included was a question about serial printers.

Yes, I know.. I believe he (KNOT1, I believe) was asking what it would
take to get it to work...  I think all he needs to do is take any
serial descriptor, xmode a few variables in it, change its name, if
he wants, but doesn't even have to.  Then all he needs is a suitable cable..
and about that, I don't know about the pinouts.

What you said about info is true.  As a matter of fact, the thing -should-
have been designed with a parallel port in it to start with.  This would
have simplified matters tremendously..  I think a standard Centronics-
compatible parallel port would have satisfied the needs of 99% of all
users.  OTOH, as you said, there should have been some info on how to
hook a serial printer to the serial port, at the very least.  Everyone
needs a printer...

As a matter of fact, what's the use of providing a driver for a port
that is not even included?  That is, a port that has to be special
ordered?  Why not just include these drivers with the board?  Of course,
I realize I have drivers for devices that were not included with my
system, /d1, 1.2 meg floppies, etc, but these are things that any user
might go out and by and install themselves, so I can see the use for that,
but it does appear they would have just kept the parallel drivers, for
example, till one ordered the board. It might have kept down quite a bit
of confusion.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93294 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93195)
     From: KSCALES      To: KNOT1

 > Yep, I'm gonna pick up a second floppy drive sometime soon, and
 > hopefully an I/O board or another before long.

Jamie, a lot of us ran without the I/O board for a fair while.  I set up
my system with 2 HD floppies, plus an 80-track 5.25".  I was able to do
a lot with this system, and it was significantly more powerful and faster
than the CC3 ever was.  My first major project was to port the 'sc'
spreadsheet over from Unix, and I did most of the 'ispell' port with
this same configuration.  ("Most" because the 1 meg of system memory was
not enough to allow me to process the dictionary hash file -- so I did
that on my Unix box at work, and downloaded it.  Later, I was able to
do it directly on the MM/1 after moving to 3 meg.)

Keep at it.  And keep pursuing that I/O board, too!  I'm sure David will
help as much as he can.

 > Oh, you or anyone know how to print with an MM/1 with no I/O
 > board?  I wanted to print something out, then realized I didn't
 > have a printer port, and the modem connection was different.

Sigh.  Can't remember exactly what I did, but I suspect it involved moving
the files over to the CC3 ;-(

But I think others have mentioned the possibility of using /t1 with a
CC3-type serial-to-parallel converter.

Good luck... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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93296 13-AUG 21:46 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285)
     From: VAXELF       To: DBREEDING

  At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a built-in
parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear tree.

John D.

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93302 13-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93285)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine.  I mean,
hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware.  If you didn't have
the drivers, you might not be as interested in getting the hardware.  I guess
that IMS probably figured that most people would get the extended (eventually
if not ordered at the same time).  Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the
basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin).

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93307 14-AUG 21:06 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93296)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF

 > At they learned from their mistakes. The MM/1B does come with a
 > built-in parrallel printer port, 2 serial ports, & a partricage in a pear
 > tree.
 > John D.

This is good to hear.  I think I remember seeing that the parallel port
was included with the MM/1B, but it didn't register strongly because
I had forgotten it was not available on the MM/1.

Of course, I suppose they were thinking about moving a coco printer over
to the MM/1, but I think it would have been far better to have gone with
the more standard parallel port.  I would think that most people would
have non-Radio Shack printers and these would no doubt either have a
serial-to-parallel adaptor connected to the already-available parallel
port, or a serial adaptor which I would think could be simply removed.

This has been one of my biggest hangups in my desire for a Mac.  You have
to be more picky about your printers, modems and monitors.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93309 15-AUG 20:28 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93307)
     From: VAXELF       To: DBREEDING

  Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000 VGA
Chip Set. I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B would be
the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a soundblaster
card and we have the makings for a really great system.

John D.

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93321 17-AUG 21:03 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93302)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > Well, it certainly does push you to get new stuff for the machine.  I
 > mean, hey, I got the software....all I need now is the hardware.

 >  Gee, maybe that lack of printer info in the
 > basic might just get some people to get the I/O board (grin).

Yes, I do believe you have a point there.  I think it was a bad decision,
though.

It could have well been that this lack of immediate compatibility, if
you will, might have discouraged buyers.  But, again, it seemed the
purchasers were there but IMS just could not have delivered.  I
wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
out in relatively orderly fashion.  It could well be that the OSK
user base would have been much larger.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93330 18-AUG 01:02 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF

 > Also I heard that there is a BETA Version of KWindows for the ET4000
 > VGA Chip Set.

I would like to have the capability for running KWindows just to have the
compatibility.  My system has this chipset.  Now, if the drivers would
be interchangeable,  I'd be all set <G>

 > I have not heard anything since, but that and the MM/1B
 > would be the ultiment machine. next someone needs to make a driver for a
 > soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system.

Yes, that would be neat.  I just wonder, though what this would do for us.
Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code, wouldn't
it?

I hear that CD writing systems are getting pretty reasonable.  Maybe someone
will be able to write some stuff for us.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93331 18-AUG 02:02 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93309)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: VAXELF

There is a Development system <software package> for the AWE32
 card!...This is SOME card! I have one!
 It has provision for up to 32 Meg in memory ON BOARD 2x 16k
SIMMS
 for sound Font files!  has MIDI and Speech functions..and also
 carries a
 daughter board <plug in> The WAVE BLASTER Card  ...a MIDI
card...adds to
 what is in it!.....and it comes also with a  CD-ROM
interface,with three kinds
 of interface, <SCSI is not one>...............

I have THIS software package<FREEBE> I had downloaded from the
CCBBS
that goes into programing this board in some detail....lots of
C++ source files
 ......
 It is in a ZIPPED.....<bunch of ZIP files within>
FILE.........if interested i can Zap it up to the OS-9
Database...IF anyone is interested....
I have passed this one around before<grin>......fairly
new!.........
DENNIS

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93333 18-AUG 20:13 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330)
     From: JOHNREED     To: DBREEDING

 > > soundblaster card and we have the makings for a really great system.
 >
 > Yes, that would be neat.  I just wonder, though what this would do for
 > us. Most of the audio from CD-ROMS probably is written in Intel code,
 > wouldn't it?
 >

I have a couple "Multimedia" CDs for my messydos machine - a lot of the
sound files are in ".wav" format and are playable on the MM/1.
I plugged a couple of them into Boisy's "Linkup" comm program.  I would
think that an OS-9 "soundblaster" driver would probably play a lot of
the stuff that is available with little or no trouble.

JohnW

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93337 19-AUG 02:49 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93321)
     From: KNOT1        To: DBREEDING

> I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
> out in relatively orderly fashion.  It could well be that the OSK
> user base would have been much larger.

Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well.  Those tie-ups with their
suppliers really had to cost IMS big.  I know I was on campus at the
time and had lots of friends looking to get new machines as well,
and they seemed quite interested in my descriptions of what the MM/1
could do, and at the time was quite cheap compared to comperable
systems.  So I kept waiting to show it to them, talking about it, but
when it didn't come for so long, it seemed more of a sad joke and they
fairly rightly lost interest in it, or had baught others already.

I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it
take off and become at least semi-popular.

    - Jamie (KNOT1) -

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93339 19-AUG 19:49 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93330)
     From: VAXELF       To: DBREEDING

  The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound
files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read the
sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files like
MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for graphic files
what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read both the vedio
clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system. But I wonder if
the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast enough.

John D.

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93352 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93337)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KNOT1 (NR)

 > > I wonder how much different things might have been had shipments gotten
 > > out in relatively orderly fashion.
 >
 > Oh, I'd have to agree with that as well.  Those tie-ups with their
 > suppliers really had to cost IMS big.

Yes, it finally destroyed the faith of the public in them.  I understand
that they were victims of apparently less-than-reliable suppliers, that
they were continuously plagued by substitutions of substandard parts
by the suppliers etc.

 > I don't blame IMS, but really would have been nice to have seen it
 > take off and become at least semi-popular.

I don't either.  They had a good idea but it just wasn't to be.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93354 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 Module Upgrading (Re: Msg 93339)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF (NR)

 > The sound drivers themselves are written in Intel code, but the sound
 > files themselves are not. What will be need is a program that will read
 > the sound files and send them to the OS9 driver. Remember that sound files
 > like MOD files already can be run both CLONES and OS9. Same goes for
 > graphic files

Yes, that is right, all we'd need would be "readers".  Of course we already
have many of them, I am really not aware of all that we do have.

 > what I would like to see for OS9 is a program that can read
 > both the vedio clips and sound and then play them back on the OSK system.
 > But I wonder if the 16MHZ systems like the MM1 and System IV would be fast
 > enough.

I doubt that these systems would be able to do the graphics fast enough for
extremely smooth operation.  They might be presentable.

I've been told that a System IV has trouble in G-Windows with 28.8 modems
using the 68681 ACIA, (but I think it might be a driver thing).  I am not
familiar with the video clips, but it is my understanding that these
are extremely graphics intensive.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93116 23-JUL 02:57 Telecom (6809)
     SuperComm
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

Well, I've Got SuperComm up and running! It'll definatelly be more useful
for me compared to Warp1. The Capture/List works fast in Warp1 but
SuperComm is more flexible. I'm sending the capture buffer to RAM, that
way I can list the file quickly and it gets erased when I quit.

As far as Terminal colors, I made a B09 Mod to set palette to match rest
of system. For the most part, the colors stick except for two places
that I see so far. The first place is going to the main screen from
the autodial "DIAL" overlay and the other is returning from the Terminal
select overlay.

Is there any way to short circuit the palette reset at least after dialing?
If I could do that the color changes would stay changed except for
occasionally. ("R" -reset keeps changes ok)

---Dom

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93118 23-JUL 10:36 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93116)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 First I must ask, what are your custom colors? If you are just using
different screen colors chosen from the default eight "ansi" colors,
then we can fix it easily. If you are using totally non-standard
colors, we can also fix it, but it will play games with "ansi" screens.


   Randy

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93126 23-JUL 15:08 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93118)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

>...What are your custom colors?...

  Colors in place after Boot  (/w2)
  ---------------------------------
  (DEC)  00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63
         00 36 18 55 09 40 31 63
  ---------------------------------

  After Custom color changes  (/w2)
  ---------------------------------
  (DEC)  02 36 18 55 04 00 31 36
         00 36 18 55 09 40 31 54
  ---------------------------------

  Changes are (DEC):
  -----------------
         palette:0  From:00 To:02
                 4       09    04
                 5       40    00
                 7       63    36
                15       63    54

These are the color changes I am using presently.
You say these can easily be made permanent?


>...but it will play games with "ansi" screens.


????????


---Dom
     Dom

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93134 23-JUL 20:16 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93126)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

No problem. you have enough information. SuperComm forces the palettes to
"ansi" default colors. They are as you list for original. Using a disk
editor, just search on the original string ($00,$24,$12...) and change those
16 bytes to your new palette choices.


   Randy

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93137 24-JUL 01:10 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

Colors are installed as directed and work fine. Thanks!
Now I'll look into the other matter.

---Dom

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93138 24-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93134)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

Well...here is what I have so far.

Xmodeing the W2 descriptor to eko==00, and replacing it to bootfile,
gets rid of the double characters in the overlays and stops the echoing
to the top side in conferance mode. Break key now works OK for abort.
Everything seems fine except keyboard input doesn't get echoed while in
"Shell Access". ("Tmode echo"  while there resumes keyboard echo until
you quit shell access)

The color changes themselves all work OK except I have changed the boarder
slot for W2 upon startup (display 1b 34 4 >/w2). Now, at those places that
SuperComm resets,the boarder slot gets reset the way it was before.
(a "palette </w2" gives foreground=01 background=00 boarder=04 after startup
but the boarder slot gets changed back to 00.(I've changed the W2 descriptor
in bootfile to select prn=04). I tried searching SuperComm for a string that
resembles "01 00 00" and have changed the last 00 to 04 in I think two places.
The boarder slot still gets reset back to 00, however.

These bugs aren't that important but any thoughts?

---Dom

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93140 24-JUL 20:13 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93138)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 Geeez. Okay. Soon after the point at which you mangled the palette defaults,
you'll find the byte sequence $07,$00,$00,$00,$02,$02. Change the second $00
to $04 ( 7, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2).

 *this* ain't a bug... it's a modification. Not sure what's happening with
the double text part. Never seen or heard of that one before.


  Randy

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93142 25-JUL 00:09 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93140)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

Colors and boarder default work out fine! Thanks!

> ....after the point at which you mangled the palette defaults...

Do I detect a bit of concern? <G>

> *this* ain't a bug... it's a modification.

Didn't mean to imply any "bug" with SuperComm. I mean't something
was wrong with my system and I couldn't fix it.

> ...( 7, 0, 4, 0, 2, 2).

Interesting. At one point I tried changing the last 2 to 4. I had
figuered what I was looking for either went something like ( 0 1 1 )
or ( 0 2 2 ). I guess close dosen't count.

As far as the double character thing...as long as the W2 descriptor in
the bootfile is set for "no echo", then I don't get double characters
or a top and bottom echo in conferance. But "shell access" doesn't echo.

If you set W2 to "echo", then you can view keyboard input in "shell access"
without tmodeing but you get double characters on the overlays and
in conferance when you type on the bottom, it gets echoed on top. The BREAK
key doesn't abort the boxes either. It kills the top overlay and stays
with a work area in the shadow box only.

The double condition gets cleared up the first time you enter and leave
the "shell access" mode. Break key works too.

I'll let the W2 stay set at "no echo" so I don't see double after startup.
My shell access there will be limited. Everything else seems to be GREAT!

I now have SuperComm up and running with colors matching my system and
this is on a 3.5" disk that BOOTS from drive 2!!!. <G>

Thanks once again for all your help. I couldn't have done this without you.


---Dom.

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End of Thread.

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93117 23-JUL 05:40 General Information
     Disto 2 meg upgrade
     From: DGANTZ       To: ALL

Does anyone know what the chip just to the lower right of the MPU on the
2 meg upgrade is?  I have one but I've misplaced the chip and didn't
recognize the lableing on it as I recall.  I need to find somewhere where
I can get a new one.

I had the upgrade in and working only a day and a half and it went toast.
I was trying to fix it by simply shot-gunning out chips for new ones and
for some reason took that particular chip out.

Again its to the immediate lower right of the microprocessor as you look in
to the CoCo from a normal typing position.

Thanx in advance for any help.
       DGANTZ@Delphi.com


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93141 24-JUL 20:36 General Information
     RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93117)
     From: DISTO        To: DGANTZ

U5 is a 74HC30. U10 is a 74HC74. If you need a complete schematic and a
chip by chip description of the 2-Meg adapter, just send $20 + $2.50 S/H
to me, Tony DiStefano @ 1710 Depatie  St. Laurent  Quebec Canada H4L 4A8.
-Tony.

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93206 1-AUG 05:40  General Information
     RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93141)
     From: DGANTZ       To: DISTO

Thanks for the reply Tony.  I was referring to U6, a 20 pin DIP.  I should
have looked at the board before sending that message.  My fault.

However, since a schematic and technical data can be had, I'll rush the
$22.50 to you ASAP.  I'm real interested in finding out why the upgrade
died on me after only a day and a half in my machine.

But since I have you here, may I verify a couple of connections.  Maybe I
blew it?   There is a 6pin sip connector that plugs into the SIMM board with
4 wires connected to the processor board.  The wires in question are from
pins 5 and 6.  Pin 5 solders to pin 40 of IC5 on the motherboard (PIA?) and
pin 6 solders to the junction of C60 and X1?

Well guess thats bout it, except where might I find a processor socket such
as what is in this upgrade?  Seems to be somewhat specialized.

Thank you.
           Dave


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93233 5-AUG 09:53  General Information
     RE: Disto 2 meg upgrade (Re: Msg 93206)
     From: DISTO        To: DGANTZ

The socket that came with the kit is a standard 40 pin socket. However, ther
are many kinds and suppliers, If you need another, just add another dollar
to your order and I'll send you another one. Your wiring is correct and the
circuit will survive if you plug it in backwards. -Tony.

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End of Thread.

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93122 23-JUL 13:11 General Information
     Installed memory?
     From: 01GEN40      To: ALL

  Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to
get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the
CoCo?  If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction
to find an answer to my quest?  I would hate to have to write 4
different modules for the 4 known RAM sizes on the CoCo.  PLEASE,
any help would be greatly appreciated!  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93145 25-JUL 20:08 General Information
     RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93122)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Well, do I presume right in that noone has any idea on how to
 > get a C program to determine the amount of installed RAM on the
 > CoCo?  If noone does, can anyone direct me in the right direction
 > to find an answer to my quest?

There _has_ to be a way.. "MFREE" does it..  Have you looked through
the manual for all the system calls?

One cheap and dirty method, if nothing else works, would have it reference
a file, possibly in the SYS directory.  How about having it look in the
"env.file" file for MVUE?  If the user does not have MVue, just have him
create a file by that name with the oen entry...  Not neat, but
it would work..  But, as I said,  there must be a direct way..

Would it be worth the effort to disassemble MFREE?


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93178 30-JUL 12:01 General Information
     RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93145)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hello again...
  Ya know, I think you may be on to something here!  I never gave
MFREE a thought at all.  I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think,
is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup.  I do have
a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly.
Although, I was able to come up with a modification to INIT to have
cc3go loaded from the CMDS directory and have it unlinked when it
was done.  This is very interesting!  I shall try it and let you
know what I come up with.  Until next time...
  Thanks for the reply...  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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93188 30-JUL 22:11 General Information
     RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93178)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > Ya know, I think you may be on to something here!  I never gave
 > MFREE a thought at all.  I do know that the kernal, os9p1 I think,
 > is the module that determines installed RAM at bootup.  I do have
 > a dis-assembler. Problem is, I know next to nothing about assembly.

I have never given it much thought as to how it does it..

Just looked at my Tech Manual..  Look on page 8-18 for info on F$GBlkMp

Also, if you have "Inside OS9 Level 2", or have source for SMap otherwise,
this should give you some ideas..


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93250 6-AUG 12:36  General Information
     RE: Installed memory? (Re: Msg 93188)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hello again,
  We just happen to have a copy of "Inside OS9 Level 2" in the SD
User Group, I may just have to check the book out and see what I
can get out of it.  Thanks for the info.  See ya among the stars...

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

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End of Thread.

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93130 23-JUL 18:41 Telecom (6809)
     SuperComm
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy--

I wonder if you could help me on whats probably a system
bug I have here? When SuperComm is first booted, the "Change
Directory" overlay box gives double characters and the break
key just kills the top box (working area stays small. Enter
works for abort.) Also in "Z" Conferance mode, what is typed
below gets echoed above.(echo settings are off)  Sounds like a
half/full duplex thing except for the Break Key.

Everything straightens out all right though, if I goto "Shell"
and back. Something gets reset to what it should be but so far
I haven't been able to see what it is. (No apparant changes
in any Tmode or Xmode, before or after, anywhere.)

Also, I just discovered that if I list a file to /T2, when sending
to Forum it gets single spaced but if I do that to EMail it gets
double spaced. (LFs are shut off on SuperComm) Stripping the file
of LFs doesn't change anything.) Delphi??  /T2 settings??  I haven't
had the time to fully scope this out yet. Is Email text treated any
differently than Forum text.


Any thoughts?


---Dom



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93133 23-JUL 20:07 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93130)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Listing a file to /t2 opens a path to the port that is *different* than
the on SC is using. None of the changes SC did will have an affect on
this new path, except for baud and parity (they will default to unchanged,
i.e. SC's last settings). The "alf" on /t2 (which SC turns off) is what's
adding your linefeeds. The easiest way around that is to just use the
"ascii" upload option of SuperComm.

 On this other, I've never heard *that* one before. :> How about a xmode
of the window being used?


   Randy

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End of Thread.

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93136 23-JUL 21:06 General Information
     Just one more reminder...
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

 One more time...



         OS-9 Late Night
         Monday Night July 24 10:00 PM Eastern
         Topic:OS-9 Users Group Level I & II Discussion
               With Vice President of OS-9/6809 , Mike Rowen

         Join us this Monday when Mike will be here to take comments,
       questions, and ideas for possible projects from users. He will
       also discuss some of his personal plans for future of the UG's OS-
       9 Users and will be sharing his ideas, and feelings on the
       community as a whole. If you would like to volunteer to do any
       sort of UG work this would be a good night to speak with Mike
       LIVE.

         As a sidenote, if you should know anyone who is not an online
       user and doesn't have access to all the latest updates in the OS-9
       Community, get them a Sourcebook User entry form and have them
       send it to me so I can get them in the database. It is hard enough
       to keep up with all the net users, let along those who are offline
       and hard to be found. We need to get their information in order to
       keep them in touch. Now there is no reason to be 'lost in the
       shuffle'!!! And if you haven't sent in your form by now, why put
       it off? The sourcebook is only as good as the amount of
       information in it!!!

         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93148 25-JUL 22:23 General Information
     Internet newsgroups
     From: MRGOOD       To: ALL

How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area??

Hugo

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93156 26-JUL 19:39 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93148)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MRGOOD

  Hugo,

> How does one DELETE newsgroups from the personal favorites area??

  Download the favorites.sav file, use an editor to delete the line
or lines of newsgroups you don't want, then re-upload this file as
favorites.sav and delete the old one on Delphi.

  Be careful, the `spaces' in each line are Tab's <g>.

PS: this is a ascii file so upload it that way...

  John -


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93162 26-JUL 23:56 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNBAER

Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.
--
Paul

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93164 27-JUL 18:19 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93156)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JOHNBAER

Thanks John.  I'd say Delphi needs to streamline the process a bit.

Hugo

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93165 27-JUL 21:53 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93162)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MITHELEN


  Hi Paul,

> Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
> EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.

  <Grin> True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-)
I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... <g>

  Later,

  John -


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93166 27-JUL 21:53 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93164)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MRGOOD

  Hugo,

  I should have also said that you can use the online editor too 8-)
Read message 93162 to me from Paul.. I'm so use to doing it by downloading
it, edit, uploading on the fly, that it's second nature for me <g>.

  John -


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93167 28-JUL 21:54 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93166)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JOHNBAER

I tried the online editor.  It appears it was designed for Martians  :-)

Your first method worked fine for me. Thanks!

Hugo

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93169 29-JUL 14:29 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93165)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > Or, if you are using a decent VT100 terminal/emulator, you could type
 > > EDIT FAVORATES.SAV, and used the EDT editor to edit it on line.
 >
 > <Grin> True, True, if you know how to use the online editor 8-)
 > I tangled with it once, that was enough for me... <g>

You, too?  I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..

Much handier to use your own, right?  <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93174 30-JUL 04:32 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DBREEDING

I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage
before I discovered TPU.... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it defaults
to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to full screen
mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad diagram, and lots
of other good helpfull info.

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93175 30-JUL 10:16 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93169)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING


> You, too?  I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..
>
> Much handier to use your own, right?  <G>

 Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to
just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload
the file.  Works for me 8-)

 It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy
on it.  I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I
just killed the modem to get off line.  If my fuzzy memory is working
right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work...  It's been so long
I just don't remember...

  John -


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93184 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93174)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MITHELEN

 > I guess I am used to EDT, cause I used it for several years in collage

What it all boils down to is what you are comfortable with..

 > ... The one thing with EDT on delphi is, it
 > defaults to command mode, and you have to type "C" for "change" to go to
 > full screen mode... Thenm if you press F2, you will get the keypad
 > diagram, and lots of other good helpfull info.

I have never gotten into the editors enough to learn all the features.  They
do have some good help features, but I feel kind of pressured when I'm
online and don't take enough time to try to learn them.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93185 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
     RE: Internet newsgroups (Re: Msg 93175)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > You, too?  I have never gotten close to mastering any online editor..
 > >
 > > Much handier to use your own, right?  <G>
 >
 > Well, with OS-9 multi-tasking and multi-windows (tm) it's easy to
 > just use your own editor in a second window, then move back and upload
 > the file.  Works for me 8-)

Yes, that's a good way.  I use InfoXpress and it just calls up your editor
automatically, you edit your message and then it saves it when you exit
your editor.  I like this better than taking up the time online..  Of
course it incurs logging on twice -- I usually just come back on and
upload my replies -- but it still takes less time than typing
in my stuff while online..

 > It's been so long ago that I tried the online EDT that I'm real fuzzy
 > on it.  I had the problem of not find _how_ to exit from it 8-( and I
 > just killed the modem to get off line.  If my fuzzy memory is working
 > right, I believe that even a ctrl Z didn't work...  It's been so long
 > I just don't remember...

Heheh... I know what you mean... you get into the things, and being
such a novice as I am, you cannot figure out how to get out..  forget...
didn't know in the first place...   I have really gotten in some real
messes, but have always finally gotten it figured out..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93150 25-JUL 23:17 General Information
     CONFERENCE NOTICE
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

  POSTED: 25 Jul 95

  HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
  EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION:


  ///////////////////////////////
  // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  ///////////////////////////////

  OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Monday, 31 Jul 95 - 10PM ET - Microware's David Kimble will discuss
                                D.A.V.I.D, interactive "set top"
                                technology.

  //////////////////////////////
  // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  //////////////////////////////

  Coco Real Time Conference
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Every Sunday - Open discussion forum  9-10PM ET


  ////////////////////////////
  // IRC CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
  ////////////////////////////

  OS-9 IRC Conference        Type  /join #os9  once inside IRC
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Sunday, 30 Jul 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
  Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum     

  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com

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93153 26-JUL 01:31 General Information
     Fidonet
     From: MANTONY      To: ALL

Can Fidonet be accessed thru the Internet?  There are National COCO and OS9
discussion groups on Fidonet that appear to be different from those
available thru Usenbet.  How would I get to them thru Internet?

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93155 26-JUL 19:24 General Information
     RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93153)
     From: MROWEN01     To: MANTONY


I wish i knew. I have tried FIDO gateways on the internet, but they have
all bombed. I've never gotten a response either. It may be one way or
something. It's sad, because there are a good number of people on FIDO.

-Mike

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93218 3-AUG 00:20  General Information
     RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93155)
     From: CHYDE        To: MROWEN01

It's been a few years since I looked into this, but I remember that you
ido echos to Usenet (and probably
get permission to add them as news groups).  The K12 news groups are echos
of idonet echos, so it's possible.

        Chris

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93227 4-AUG 08:31  General Information
     RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93218)
     From: MROWEN01     To: CHYDE

     I've seen plenty of echoes of Fido to Usenet, but not the other way
around. If you know more or can point me to a resource, please let me know.
Thanks!         

Mike Rowen
VP OS-9/6809
OS-9 Users Group
mrowen01@delphi.com

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93284 12-AUG 22:09 General Information
     RE: Fidonet (Re: Msg 93227)
     From: CHYDE        To: MROWEN01

You want to put some Usenet groups onto Fido then??  I haven't seen this,
you probably have a fido board close to you and the sysop may know who
to get in touch with.  I thought you had wanted to put the Fido OS-9
echo onto Usenet, though.  There is also a fidonet news group, that's
only purpose is to distibute a Fido news letter (I think it's comp.bbs.fido
or something like that).  There may also be information about contacts
in the newsletter.

        Chris

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End of Thread.

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93154 26-JUL 05:36 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93089)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: JOHNBAER

Through Away!      THROW Away <g>..............<argg>

 Thats the problem with this! $89.95 for a REFURBUSHED
fan.......
  And I have to give Em the Old one! IT cost $108.00  NEW

   figure....$20 to clean..and put TWO 10c brushes in it!
     thats   $60+    profit.......

     Arrrr! Such is life!

      Dennis

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93157 26-JUL 19:39 General Information
     RE: Hello! (Re: Msg 93154)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: COCOKIWI


  Dennis,

  Well, knowing that the `refurbushed' one is someone else's junk
with a tar brush paint job & 10 cent brushes, just buy the NEW one! 8-)

  (ducking....) 8-)

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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End of Thread.

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93171 29-JUL 15:46 General Information
     GIME some info
     From: DBREEDING    To: ALL

Well, after making my brag a few days ago about not having any trouble
with my coco, it tried to go south on me <G>

Last night, it crashed with garbage on the screen, and turning it off
and back on, would come up with random garbage.

I took it apart and pushed on the GIME (and cpu, a 6309 socketed chip),
but I'm sure it was the GIME.  It didn't seem loose or anything but
now it seems to be OK.  It seems that this happened with my previous coco
several years ago, and it is still operable, I suppose.

What do you all do in cases like this?  Does it actually need to be
removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go?  Reckon it's
corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get worse?

If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and
no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go?  I'm afraid to try
to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93176 30-JUL 10:17 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93171)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING


  David,

> What do you all do in cases like this?  Does it actually need to be
> removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go?

  I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here.  Well, if it crashes
again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it.  Remember,
that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side.
I don't care much for this type, but that's me.

> Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just get
> worse?

  Yep, it will, in time.  I wouldn't clean it.  Just remove and re-install
it will wipe the contact point.  Get the puller for this chip if your
not comfortable pulling it yourself.

> If I remember correctly, my other one did this several years ago and
> no subsequent problems, so maybe just let it go?  I'm afraid to try
> to remove it unless it's absolutely necessary.

  Just get the puller and take your time.  Also remember to ground the
computer and yourself _before_ doing any work on it.  Think of it like
chicken soup.. it couldn't hurt 8-)

  John -


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93186 30-JUL 22:10 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93176)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > What do you all do in cases like this?  Does it actually need to be
 > > removed and cleaned somehow or should I just let it go?
 >
 > I assUme your talking about the GIME chip here.

Correct.

 > Well, if it crashes
 > again in short time, then yes, pull the chip and reseat it.  Remember,
 > that this chip is a `J' type leg and only makes contact on one side.
 > I don't care much for this type, but that's me.
 >
 > > Reckon it's corrosion and stuff and if so, will this connection just
 > get > worse?
 >
 > Yep, it will, in time.  I wouldn't clean it.  Just remove and re-install
 > it will wipe the contact point.  Get the puller for this chip if your
 > not comfortable pulling it yourself.

Actually, I knew that.. just had to have it verified.. <G>  Probably would
be best to go ahead and do it now.  I really don't use it that much anymore,
but still would feel like something were missing if I didn't have it.

I still have my original coco, but this one has a 6309 in it.. not a real
big thing, but now feel like I need it.. <G>

 > Just get the puller and take your time.

Does Rat-Shack sell one that works?  I think I've seen them in JDR or
Jameco..

I have a spare GIME for just in case...

BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap..  it
won't power up.  You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette
relay click.  I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this..
Is the correct one hard to find?  Would this more likely be the switch
or power supply?

Be nice to have another backup..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93193 31-JUL 19:11 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93186)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING

   David,

>> Just get the puller and take your time.
>
> Does Rat-Shack sell one that works?  I think I've seen them in JDR or
> Jameco..

  Yea, I think the shack still sells it.  I haven't looked lately..

> I have a spare GIME for just in case...

  When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's
anymore.  Pick up any spare's you can now.

> BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap..  it
> won't power up.  You just get a single click, and don't hear the cassette
> relay click.  I read somewhere that the clock chip can cause this..
> Is the correct one hard to find?  Would this more likely be the switch
> or power supply?

  If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage
regs., etc.  It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-)

  If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use.

  John -


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93200 31-JUL 23:44 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93193)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > I have a spare GIME for just in case...
 >
 > When this chip dies so will the coco.. You just can't buy New GIME's
 > anymore.  Pick up any spare's you can now.

Yes, I've heard they have become hard to come by.. I can't remember where
I got mine..  I thought it would be a good idea.

 > > BTW.. my brother, who works at a pawn shop, got a coco3 for cheap..  it
 > > won't power up.  You just get a single click, and don't hear the
 > cassette > relay click.

 > If you know what your doing, first check out the power supply, voltage
 > regs., etc.  It helps to have the Service Manual also 8-)

I don't, really.. I have the Service manual, but not a lot of test
equipment.  I would like another one to stick a 6309 in.

 > If not, at least you have spare parts to test and use.

Yes, that's for sure.. And it might come in handy.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93224 3-AUG 23:14  General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93200)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance Concepts,
indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of them years
ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is 216-974-9550
Give 'im a yell for pricing.
Gene

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93235 5-AUG 18:20  General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93224)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > Gime's in short to non-existant supply? Glen Emelco of Performance
 > Concepts, indicated a few weeks back that they (who bought Tandy out of
 > them years ago) now had about 50 of them they could spare. The phone # is
 > 216-974-9550 Give 'im a yell for pricing.
 > Gene

Thanks for the info, Gene.  Myself, I have one for a spare with one working
coco and one non-working one, so maybe I'll be OK, but I'm sure there are
some who do need this info.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93254 6-AUG 22:35  General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93235)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back.
Cheers, Gene

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93272 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93254)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > Your welcome David, but that came from (I think) Marty a few weeks back.
 > Cheers, Gene

yes, I believe I do remember him or someone bringing this up.  Everyone should
get one..


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93301 13-AUG 23:08 General Information
     RE: GIME some info (Re: Msg 93272)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

Aggreed, I do have one already. Also a couple of spare machines, pick them
up at yard sales etc now, but one of my spares is Dennis Skala's machine,
and the other was a $50 closeout at the shack, as is whereis. Worked just
fine, I've added "the forgotten chip" to that one too, but thats the
extent of its mods so far. Does anyone know what price this gentleman
wants for one?
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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93172 29-JUL 19:12 General Information
     ar for msdos?
     From: MIKE_GUZZI   To: ALL

I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone
know where I can find it?

Mike

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93180 30-JUL 13:36 General Information
     RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93172)
     From: JMURPHY      To: MIKE_GUZZI

> I am looking for "AR" that was ported to work on MSDOS machines. does anyone
> know where I can find it?
>
> Mike
>

Mike,

The last (only?) version that was ported to MSDOS was Ar 1.1

It should be in the libs somewhere, I think.

John Murphy

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93191 31-JUL 01:29 General Information
     RE: ar for msdos? (Re: Msg 93180)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JMURPHY

Actually, I don't think an offical MSDOS port was ever released
pobucally (I may be mistaken) I do have a 1.5 "bootleg" AR for MSDOS,
but I don't think I can share it publically. I'll check though to
make sure
--
Paul

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End of Thread.

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93173 29-JUL 23:39 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night:Reminder
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

         OS-9 Late Night
         Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern
         Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder)
         With guest host David Kimble from Microware.

         This Monday Night, David Kimble will be here to discuss
       Microwares DAVID interactive set top system. Through the use of
       television and other forms of media, home users will be able to do
       things previously unimagined with the aid of a decoder used with
       the television known as a _set top box_. Order Pizza, play games,
       rent movies and countless other services will be available through
       this interactive medium which will add a whole new dimension to
       the television, as well as other devices(telephone,
       computers,etc...).

         DAVID is the system of software based on OS-9 which is at the
       heart of these set top boxes. With a decent amount of publicity
       devoted towards DAVID  and related interactive services in the
       media these days it only makes sense to have an OS-9 Late Night
       dedicated to this topic, and David Kimble, who works on the DAVID
       system at Microware, was kind enough to stop by anad offer some
       insight on DAVID and what impact it will probably have for us in
       the future.


         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93179 30-JUL 12:49 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93173)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: THETAURUS

   Chris,

> OS-9 Late Night
> Monday Night July 31 10:00 PM Eastern
> Topic:DAVID(Digital Audio/Video Interactive Decoder)
> With guest host David Kimble from Microware.

  Now this should be a `full house' night!  Will be there with
buffer capture On 8-)

  John -


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93181 30-JUL 17:52 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93179)
     From: THETAURUS    To: JOHNBAER

  >>Now this should be a 'full house' night!<<

 Yeah, I expect that too. HToo bad Delphi doesn't seem to share our enthusiasm.
 It would have been nice if they posted it in the logon banner :-(

 I guess a discussion on Greanpeacepipe is too important to pass up :-/

 See Ya there!
 >Chris<

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93182 30-JUL 19:43 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93181)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: THETAURUS

  Hi Chris,

  Why does this not surprise me...

  Have you been to the CoCo, Atari, Amiga Sigs in the last 24 hours ?
If the rumor is true, we won't be typing to each other after Dec 95.

  It looks like Delphi will pull the plug on there command line
interface at the end of this year.  I'm waiting to see _IF_ Delphi
gives an answer to this over on the Service Sig.  Should be fun 8-(

  John -


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93190 31-JUL 01:22 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
     From: MITHELEN     To: JOHNBAER

I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor probably
came
from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ. Most likely, some type of
user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text based
service, and the the numbers will dictate that a text based service will
still be necessary. This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall,
its all a $$$ thing in the long run...
--
Paul


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93196 31-JUL 21:36 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93190)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MITHELEN

  Hi Paul,

> I think this is only a remote (very) possibility. I think this rumor
> probably came from info in the Delphi Internet Beta Test FAQ.

  From what I've been reading in the different Sig's and in the Service
Sig, this info is in the bata release that is being tested now.

> .. user poll will take place to see how many users need/prefer a text...

  I would hope that Delphi would do it this way, but, ya never know...

> This is all speculatory, but makes sence. Afterall, its all a $$$ thing
> in the long run...

  Oh, I agree on the $$$ thing.  It's just when you find out that you
have to the year's end to use this GUI or get lost...  I don't believe
that Delphi wants to support 2 interfaces.. but just might have to _if_
the rest of us yell loud enough!

  The other kick is, from the info in that bata release, that there
won't be a Mac version.  Now, if Delphi doesn't care enough to do a
Mac version, (not enough Mac people here?) what chance do the rest
of us have ? ...

  I think we better start that yelling campaign real soon ;-)

  John -


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93198 31-JUL 23:32 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
     From: THETAURUS    To: JOHNBAER

 That would be a stupid thing to do. Doesn't meant they won't do it, but
 I hope they won't! They are good for being to home to nonmainstream
 computer groups, so this doesn't makesense.

 Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference
tonight. Seems like EVERYONE was there, but there were a few missing, and if
 you are one of them, check out Issue number 4 of the MOTD(the one
 after the one currently being released). There will be an article
 based on the transcript in the issue.

 See Ya
 >Chris<

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93210 1-AUG 22:31  General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93198)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: THETAURUS

   Chris,

> That would be a stupid thing to do. ...

  I just got a reply from service... It comes down to, use it or lose it.
As long as a lot of people _keep_ using the command line interface, it
will stay.  So, tell SERVICE that this is what you use, and not a GUI,
so they have at least a count for the CLI.

> Btw, WOW, I know you were there, but others missed a heck of a conference
> tonight.

  (heh) I did come in a 1/2 hour late, so I'll be waiting to read the
whole conference when it gets to my door <g>.  For what I _did_ read,
it was Great!!!

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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93212 1-AUG 23:39  General Information
     Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93210)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: JOHNBAER

To all, really.

 Even if you plan on using their new GUI thing, if you plan on continuing
with the CoCo and OS9 (and atari and amiga and commodore and ...) SIGs,
place your vote for keeping the command line interface! I feel that without
it, enough people will leave that the continued existance of the SIGs will
be in jepordy.

   Randy

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93225 3-AUG 23:56  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93212)
     From: JIMDIXON     To: ALL

Randy:
     I modified the to line to be for all, but I agree completely.  If you
want Delphi to keep their CLI, you have to tell them.  I just finished
emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI, or at least survey
their users and determine the impact of dropping it before doing so.  I also
told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely GUI,
I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing so.
If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an AOL
account.  I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo support.
The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer need my
account.  One or two messages alone won't do it though, it's going to take
all of us to get their attention.
                                                           James Dixon

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93228 4-AUG 10:42  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225)
     From: JIMDIXON     To: ALL

I thought everyone might be interested in Service's reply to my comments about
keeping the CLI.  Here's their response:

From:   BOS::SERVICE      "Delphi Internet Services"  4-AUG-1995 08:35:57.87
To:     BOS::JIMDIXON
CC:     
Subj:   RE: CLI's and GUI's

Thanks for writing.  Delphi has not announced when the new platform will
be released.  As for the current menu driven system and InterNav, they
will be supported indefinately as long as there is significant interest by
our members.  Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Kevin
Online Support

This of course begs the question of what exactly constitutes "significant
interest".  I urge all concerned to write service expressing your views, and
to post in the Delphi Future forum in the Using Delphi section.
                                                            James Dixon

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93229 4-AUG 19:28  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93228)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JIMDIXON

  James, and everybody else -

> Here's their response:

  I've gotten the same `caned' answer as you did.  Now, you are right..
We must do two things here.  Tell SERVICE that we want to keep the CLI
and keep _using_ the CLI.

  Reading between the lines, I believe this is what is meant by
 "significant interest".

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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93237 5-AUG 18:21  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93225)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JIMDIXON

 >  I just finished
 > emailing Service, requesting that they keep the CLI,

A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>

 > I
 > also told them that if they did in fact drop their CLI, and went entirely
 > GUI, I would be closing out my account within a few months of their doing
 > so. If I wanted a snazzy GUI with no orphan computer support, I'd have an
 > AOL account.  I have a Delphi account solely because of their CoCo
 > support. The day they make access via the CoCo impossible, I no longer
 > need my account.

I must say that I would probably follow suit.  This forum is the only one
I normally visit here (except mail, of course).  IMO, I'd say that there
are many, many who are here solely because of the non-requirement for a GUI.

I suspect that if a CLI is no longer available, the coco and os-9 base
here will probably end.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93239 5-AUG 21:20  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING

   David,

> A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
> I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
> don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>

  Yes!  At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it.

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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93242 5-AUG 22:23  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93237)
     From: JIMDIXON     To: DBREEDING

David:
     I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the
message to Service.
                                                              James Dixon

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93245 6-AUG 01:32  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93239)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > A dummy question... Do you just address an E-mail message to "Service"?
 > > I know this is probably spelled out somewhere, but I use "ix".. you
 > > don't "hafta" know much with it <VBG>
 >
 > Yes!  At the IX prompt `To:' just use `SERVICE'... Delphi will get it.

OK, thanks, and will do..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93246 6-AUG 01:32  General Information
     RE: Delphi's proposed GUI interface (Re: Msg 93242)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JIMDIXON

 > I see someone else has already answered, but yes, just address the
 > message to Service.

Thanks..  I guess I should do a little homework on a few of the simple
things, but up till now, I hadn't needed to know this feature..   <:-(


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93251 6-AUG 12:41  General Information
     RE: OS-9 Late Night:Reminder (Re: Msg 93182)
     From: 01GEN40      To: JOHNBAER

WHAT?  I better get my 486 running quick!  Man, what a bummer!  I
will be optomistic and say I HOPE IT AIN'T TRUE!

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

Peace and Long Life...

Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)

-= GEN =-

-*-

End of Thread.

-*-

93183 30-JUL 22:09 General Information
     help
     From: ROBERT84     To: ALL

Hi All,

I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309
chip.  The
one I have in my coco went dead.  I was using b&b booster, and
because of what it did to my boot file I can't even access my
hard drive with a regular 6809 chip in my coco.  Any help would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob

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93189 30-JUL 22:28 General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93183)
     From: DBREEDING    To: ROBERT84

 > I need to know if anyone out there knows where I can get a 6309
 > chip.

You have several choices:

1)  Northern Xposure
    7 Greeboro Cres
    Ottawa, ON K1T 1W6
    Canada
    (613)736-0329
    cmckay@northx.isis.org

2)  Terry Laraway
    41 N.W. Doncee Drive
    Bremerton, WA 98310
    (206)692-5374

3)   CoNect
     449 South 90th Street
     Milwaukee, WI 53214

I'm not sure about CoNect...  I thought he _did_ sell them, but didn't
see it listed in latest ad.  However, he did have an account here,
"RICKULAND", but may not be using it now..  (Did he change it to CONECT???)
You might contact REVWCP (I think)... anyway, REVWCP is Bro. Jeremy,
and he and Rick are friends, so he should be able to tell you..

There may also be others but these are the ones I know about..


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93194 31-JUL 20:06 General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93183)
     From: WILLIAMSON68 To: ROBERT84

  Try contacting MRUPGRADE on delphi. He might be able to supply you with an
address as well as a phone #. The chip is hard to find but not impossible. If
he can't help you, let me know & I'll dig around for a driver for that HD.
8-)  --dan

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End of Thread.

-*-

93192 31-JUL 18:45 Telecom (6809)
     SuperComm
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

With regards to knowledge...this is an update on my installation of SuperComm.
I've gotten rid of most if not all the echo and hanging problems.

It seems that if I just use "SuperComm<>>>/w2&", everything works fine.
If I add any modifier (i.e. f=/r0/Capture etc.), thats when I run into those
other problems.

Since I can't add any modifier, how can I change the default buffer size?

So far so good. SuperComm sure beats what I was using for OS9. I didn't
realize how far behind the times I was...then again, I just learned how
to get a subject listing from the forum messages. <G>

Thanks!

---Dom


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93197 31-JUL 22:10 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93192)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also work.
I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get to
supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like the
redirection stuff.


   Randy

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93201 31-JUL 23:44 Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
     From: DBREEDING    To: RANDYKWILSON

 > If SuperComm <>>>/w& works, then Supercomm #40K <>>>/w& should also
 > work. I'm at a loss as to whats ahppening here. The #40K does not ever get
 > to supercomm. That is handled at the Fork by the parent shell, just like
 > the redirection stuff.

I'm a little fuzzy on Supercomm for the CoCo, but glancing at the docs for
Supercomm, it appears that a number by itself is accepted as a buffer
size parameter.  The #40K might not affect the buffer size, depending on how
it was written...

As I said, it's been a while since I fooled with it, but if memory serves
correctly, I also had a little difficulty with the capture open parameter,
or else I saw something about it...

Might be something that would need looking into..

Speaking of Supercomm, I think I once mentioned it already, but I believe
in ANSI (or VT100?) emulation, it had a little buglet in that it's CurXY
operated in "base 0" mode, where the Home position was 0,0 where ANSI is
"base 1", where Home is 1,1 ??? Not fatal, but a little annoying... <G>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93207 1-AUG 18:21  Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

Man, I'll  bet you're a little tired of answering SuperComm questions?
(Forum must have a million of them.) <G>
Well here goes again...only trying in the interest of knowledge to help
nail this down. If it gets too much..please ignore.

> If SuperComm <>>>/w2& works... Supercomm #40k <>>>/w2&  should...

You're right! What threw me off there was that I was trying #8k and what
showed up at the top right hand corner was 3k. I've since tried #40k etc..
and now I see that whatever value I choose gets reported as 5k less that
what is entered. (i.e. #40k shows 35k, and #8k shows 3k.) I don't know
why everything is shown as 5k less but at least it reports.

The problems appear when I give: SuperComm f=/r0/Capture <>>>/w2&.
When you go to the screen, there is a box saying "Send ASCII File". At this
point the break key only kills the top box and leaves the screen working
area only in the shadow area. You must use enter to abort from the original
overlay. Once the box is aborted, it leaves the main screen echoing the
keyboard. I think in experimenting that I've seen the screen echo even
though no overlay box was presented on startup this way.(?)
Also, whatever you type in the conference area gets echoed also on top.
You can stop the echoing by going to "Shell Access" and back but the
auto dialer box hangs with no connection tone when connection occures.

As long as I leave out the file pathlist modifier string, everything seems
to work all right. It doesn't matter to me if I'm not be able to include this
setup string. If the 5k differance in the buffer setup is normal, its a go.

One other thing I have a question about tho.. is that during an actual
conference, a couple of times I had to hit the enter key to continue
showing the conference. Once hit, the screen showed all the lines that
the others typed during that time. (checked: xmode=pau=00, tmode= -pause)
I have to figure that out if I am to use SuperComm for conference.

(Just for reference..I have made two boot disks. One for drive 0 and
one for drive 2. Both react the same. <G>)


Thanks!


---Dom


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93208 1-AUG 18:50  Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93207)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: DOMM

Dom,

 I'm going to, for now, call the echo thing a bug in the "f=*" parsing
routine. I've never had a complaint before, but it's very possible you
are the only one in the world who has actually *used* the feature. That
chunk of code is old, written before I "inherited" care of the program.
I did diddle with the actual download routines for 2.2, and it is possible
I broke a hook for the capture routine.

 The number you give on the command line is the total amount of data space
OS-9 will give SuperComm, minimum 8K, max 40K. Out of this data space,
SuperComm uses about 5K for it's own internal variables and data/string
buffers. Everything that is left over (3-35K) gets used as the download
buffer.

 I remember that conference problem. It is on Delphi's end. I'm not sure
if I ever figured out what tripped it, but Delphi would, under the right
conditions, turn "page pause" on for you. The fix was to either exit/
enter conference, or do a /len=0 (or was it /nopag?).

  Randy

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93209 1-AUG 20:24  Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93208)
     From: DOMM         To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy---

I think, at least for now, <G>, everything that is important has been
addressed. I'll look into the "/nopag" command and if the situation
occures again, I'll do that before I enter conference.

Thanks again for your help!

---Dom


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93221 3-AUG 05:50  Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93197)
     From: BROWN80      To: RANDYKWILSON

40K is a little too large a buffer.  Try a smaller one say 30K.  It works for
me.   The older versions of Supercomm would work with 40 but evidently the
newer versions are a little larger.


            John Brown

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93222 3-AUG 19:35  Telecom (6809)
     RE: SuperComm (Re: Msg 93221)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: BROWN80

John,

 SuperComm, up through release 2.1a, would work fine with a 48K buffer. You
are correct that release 2.2 got a bit bigger and crossed a magic boundry.
It's max data size is 40K. release 2.3 will address this shrinking buffer
prblem in a rather unique way. Look for it this fall.

   Randy

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End of Thread.

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93205 1-AUG 02:01  System Modules (6809)
     GIME
     From: WDTV5        To: ALL

In regard to GIME chips, recall that Glenn A. Emelco. 216-974-9550
indicated a few weeks back that his company had about 50 of them to spare.

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93213 2-AUG 00:08  General Information
     CONFERENCE NOTICE
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

  POSTED: 1 Aug 95

  HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
  EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required):


  ///////////////////////////////
  // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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  OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Monday,  7 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
  Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion


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  Coco Real Time Conference
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  Every Sunday - Open discussion forum  9-10PM ET


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  OS-9 IRC Conference        Type  /join #os9  once inside IRC
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum     
  Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum


  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com

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93215 2-AUG 20:42  General Information
     OS-9 Late Night:DAVID conference
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

         As expected, the DAVID conference was great, and well worth the
       effort! I want to thank everyone who came and made this
       worthwhile, and I, as well as everyone else who was there,
       appreciate Dave Kimble stopping by.

         I'm not sure when the transcript will be ready for upload, as
       Colin will be handling this one. An article based on the
       transcript will be in the upcoming MOTD(not the issue that's
       coming out right now, but this next one being worked on).

         Speaking of DAVID, does anyone have the latest PIPELINES? I just
       got it in the mail today, and it looks pretty good. They had quite
       a bit of DAVID coverage in there, as well as an interesting
       article by Sherry Sitzler of KD Associates, on how Nasa uses
       Sculptor and OS-9 for several tasks related to the Space shuttle
       and budget control. KD Associates is the home of Sculptor DBMS.

         The latest MOTD should be out soon. When you get it, check out
       the TWO sourcebook articles in there, one is the promised BBS
       article w/entry form and the other is an article w/ entry form for
       industrial users. If you or someone you know belongs to these two
       categories, have those forms sent in!

         And finally, on the subject on the next OS-9 Late Night
       schedule, it still, isn't complete yet, as I have to put the
       finishing touch on a few things. We WILL be having an Atlanta fest
       related conference in September, but I forgot what exact week it
       was(DOH). I know, "Can you say, 'notepad' Chris?". Also, we will
       be having our 1 year anniversary conference this month, possibly
       another programming topic, and another conference with Mike Rowen
       VP of 6809 is in the works, but I don't know if it will be in the
       next schedule or not(we have hammered down a specific date yet, I
       don't think<G>), and we MIGHT have KD Associates, the company I
       mentioned earlier, but it hasn't been etched in stone yet. There
       won't be a shortage of topics, just a little stumbling on my part
       to either remember them or get them in the right week. Next week
       will be an Open Forum, so come one and come all, and say whatever
       the '(#T%& you want, just be nice to the host ;-)


         See Ya
         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93223 3-AUG 21:48  General Information
     Help with GNU C++
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

Hello everyone,

After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database
here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC one.
Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp" program
with the GNU compiler?  I tried:

        gcc2 hello.cpp

But it doesn't like this at all.  I thought there would be a C++ executive
in the archives, but none could be found.

Any help would be appreciated.

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93248 6-AUG 09:46  General Information
     RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93223)
     From: JOHNREED     To: BOISY

 > Hello everyone,
 >
 > After downloading the GNU C and C++ stuff from the Programmer's Database
 > here, I find that I cannot find the GNU C++ executive -- only the GCC
 > one. Can anyone enlighten me on how I might compile a simple "hello.cpp"
 > program with the GNU compiler?  I tried:
 >
 > gcc2 hello.cpp
 >
 > But it doesn't like this at all.  I thought there would be a C++
 > executive in the archives, but none could be found.
 >
 > Any help would be appreciated.
 >

Boisy,
 C++ support is included in "gcc2".  It examines the extension on the
 source filename to determine whether it is C or C++.  ex. sourcefile.c
 is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the
 docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one
 that works for me is ".cc".  I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot
 the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked.

 try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors.

JohnW

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93267 10-AUG 06:30 General Information
     RE: Help with GNU C++ (Re: Msg 93248)
     From: BOISY        To: JOHNREED

 > Boisy,
 > C++ support is included in "gcc2".  It examines the extension on the
 > source filename to determine whether it is C or C++.  ex. sourcefile.c
 > is a C file, sourcefile.cc is a C++ file - other examples in the
 > docs -- extensions ".C" and ".cxx" are supposed to work to but the one
 > that works for me is ".cc".  I can understand why OS-9 wouldn't spot
 > the difference between "c" and "C", but the ".cpp" should have worked.
 >
 > try "gcc2 hello.cc" or "gcc2 -++lib hello.cc" if you get linker errors.
 >
 > JohnW
 >

Thanks John, I figured out that indeed .cc is the correct extension.
It seems .cpp is an extension given after the source has been through
the preprocessor.

Thanks again.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__    __  __              Delphi:  BOISY
          |_   _|   \ \/ /              CompuServe:  74464,3005
I use...   _| |_     >  <               Internet:  boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
          |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0   OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems

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End of Thread.

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93226 4-AUG 07:08  General Information
     bimonthly
     From: JEJONES      To: DSRTFOX

Got the July/August issue.  Will making 268m bimonthly lose you subscribers?
Not in my case.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93261 8-AUG 21:03  General Information
     RE: bimonthly (Re: Msg 93226)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: JEJONES

On 4-AUG 07:08 JEJONES said to DSRTFOX
   > Got the July/August issue.  Will making 268m bimonthly lose you
   >subscribers? Not in my case.
   > Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Hope everyone feels that way James! Just getting to be to much work, and my
work load (real job!) has increased some, and may be more so in the future.
I plan on becoming a USAF recruiter early next year, and going to school for
six weeks would be a problem. With the change in publishing schedule, there
will be no interuption in service.


Francis (Frank) Swygert
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine

`[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered

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End of Thread.

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93231 4-AUG 23:43  Programmers Den
     va_arg() call in Ultra C
     From: PAGAN        To: ALL

 Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C?
 I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it
 in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter?

 Stephen Carville (PAGAN)

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93234 5-AUG 11:39  Programmers Den
     RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93231)
     From: JEJONES      To: PAGAN

 > Does anyone here know how to use the va_arg() function in Ultra C?
 > I've figured out how to use va_start() and va_end() but what is it
 > in va_arg that gives me the actual value of the parameter?

va_arg takes two arguments--one is the va_list that contains some information
about how to get to the next argument, and the other is a type (so that
va_arg syntactically has to be a macro--C's, um, interesting type syntax
constrains the types that can appear there, so you may have to typedef a
type to make va_arg work).

How va_arg works depends on the particular compiler and target processor,
though often it will presume that arguments are passed on the stack, so
that a va_list contains a pointer that va_arg dereferences after appropriate
coercion and increments the pointer for the next time around.

The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional arguments
one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you can va_end,
va_start, and grind through them again if you want).  It's presumed that
you know what types the optional arguments have; the standard example is
printf(), in which the printf() code looks at the format string, says,
"hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an int," and uses va_arg(alist, int)
to access it.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

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93243 5-AUG 23:47  Programmers Den
     RE: va_arg() call in Ultra C (Re: Msg 93234)
     From: PAGAN        To: JEJONES


 >The basic idea is that va_arg lets you step through the optional
 >arguments one at a time, in order (though if you have the urge, you
 >can va_end, va_start, and grind through them again if you want).
 >It's presumed that you know what types the optional arguments have;
 >the standard example is printf(), in which the printf() code looks
 >at the format string, says, "hmmm...%d; the next argument must be an
 >int," and uses va_arg(alist, int) to access it.

 Thanks, it worked perfectly.

 Stephen Carville (PAGAN)

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End of Thread.

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93236 5-AUG 18:21  General Information
     bimonthly
     From: DBREEDING    To: DSRTFOX

Frank,

James (JEJONES) said:

 > Got the July/August issue.  Will making 268m bimonthly lose you
 > subscribers? Not in my case.

I would like to echo my agreement here..  If it will be better, I'm satisfied
with the new setup.  I do look forward to getting each issue with great
anticipation, but I much prefer getting 6 issues a year over the total
loss of it all..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93238 5-AUG 20:39  General Information
     help
     From: ROBERT84     To: ALL

Hi All,

Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B
program booster did to my boot file?  Since my 6309 chip went
bad and I put my old
chip back, I can't access my hard drive.  And of course I ran
booster -u on
all of my boot disks.  Any help would be appreciated.

Bob

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93244 6-AUG 01:31  General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93238)
     From: DBREEDING    To: ROBERT84

 > Does anyone know how I can remove all the changes the B&B
 > program booster did to my boot file?  Since my 6309 chip went
 > bad and I put my old
 > chip back, I can't access my hard drive.  And of course I ran
 > booster -u on
 > all of my boot disks.

Do you have the original distribution disk(s)?  If you don't have a
single other boot disk, you may need to go back to square one..


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93253 6-AUG 22:20  General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93244)
     From: ROBERT84     To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,

That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-)

Bob

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93271 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93253)
     From: DBREEDING    To: ROBERT84

 > That is what I was hoping I wouldn't have to do :-)

It shouldn't be all that hard to do.  If you have your HD driver in
6809 form - surely you do, you can first set up any bootable OS9 disk
and add the driver to your os9boot, or if you don't want to go to that
trouble, if you're using pretty much a minimal boot disk, you might be
able to just load your HD driver and descriptor into memory and get
access to your HD if you need the HD to get at critical files.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93252 6-AUG 21:49  General Information
     IX info
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING

  Hello David,

  I just re-read your post about sending with IX..

> I instructed IX to send it unformatted ...

  OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line.
When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send'
it, use the <P>ost command here.  With the .LT at the beginning,
all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in.  IX will
Post it, just like you were online live.

  This is how I post my messages here.  I don't use the <U>nformatted
command 8-)

> I just didn't want to take any chances <G>

  Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup
Delphi <Grin>.

> BTW.. did you look at the B09 code yourself?  I tried it for stdout
> and also opened a file on /r0, and it came back good..

  No.. not yet, but will be soon!

--
   John -

 Windows isn't a virus .. Virus's _do_ something.


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93269 10-AUG 21:26 General Information
     RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93252)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > I instructed IX to send it unformatted ...
 >
 > OK - Use the ` .LT ' as the first characters of the first line.
 > When your done with your message, and your at the prompt to `send'
 > it, use the <P>ost command here.  With the .LT at the beginning,
 > all your text will be formatted the way _you_ typed it in.  IX will
 > Post it, just like you were online live.

I think IX did this, but I'm not sure... things go by pretty fast <G>
I was trying to watch as it was posted, and did see some dot-command.

Actually, I don't have to have unformatted posting very often.  Only when
I'm posting something like this or find I need it if I start a line
out with a slash in naming a device descriptor <G>

 > This is how I post my messages here.  I don't use the <U>nformatted
 > command 8-)

I _will_ try to remember this..  I guess one could make a habit of starting
with this, There doesn't seem to be any harm that could happen.

 > > I just didn't want to take any chances <G>
 >
 > Go ahead and try it.. what's the worst that can happen, lockup
 > Delphi <Grin>.

About not taking chances, I meant by indenting.

Nahh, lockups don't scare me now.. I've had so many in my time that
they just come naturally, now. <G>


As a side note, in case you or anyone else is interested, I just made
a strange discovery tonight..  On my CI$ connection, it's supposed to
be a 14.4 connect, but it seemed that I got a 9600 connect about all
the time.  I figured it was just that they were too tight to buy
new modems and were still  using a lot of 9600's.  I had not really
noticed a pattern, but tonight, I went on with ix, connected at 9600,
and, in fact, was joining a new forum and wanted to get all the messages.

I had just gone online with sterm to check out my go command.  It was 14.4
I tried several connects... each time, ix was 9600, sterm was 14.4.
In my init string, I had "at s36=7".  This was listed in my manual as
the default, and I think it has been the default for everything I had
known of.  But in my factory setting, and both my nv-ram configs, it
was 135.  I took it out of my init string and ix went on at 14.4...

This sounds strange, but apparently this is something with my modem,
it doesn't want s36=7 for 14.4..  Gosh, I wish I had known that 20
minutes earlier <G>...  BTW.. FWIW, my modem is a Supra 14.4

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93288 13-AUG 12:58 General Information
     RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93269)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DBREEDING


  David,

> About not taking chances, I meant by indenting.

  OK, understand now. I do the same thing.. indent by one.

> As a side note... [snip]
> In my init string, I had "at s36=7".

  (hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull
things _can_ happen. :)

  Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do,
I would leave them along.  On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands
for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for setting
the register `r' Value to `n'...  Ok, but nothing about _what_ these do <G>.

  You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!!

  John -


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93298 13-AUG 21:51 General Information
     RE: IX info (Re: Msg 93288)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER

 > > As a side note... [snip]
 > > In my init string, I had "at s36=7".
 >
 > (hehe) I wouldn't play with those S register's.. strange & wonderfull
 > things _can_ happen. :)

Well, the docs said that 7 was supposed to be the default, but 135 was
the value stored in mine.  Actually, this was the value 7 plus bit 7
set.  However,fter downloading the docs from the Supra Forum, it explains
that bits 7-6 affect the fallback procedure or something.. I had already
determined that something like this would have to be the case.

 > Unless the docs for your modem spellout just what these registers do,
 > I would leave them along.

The docs that came with it explained most things fairly well.  I don't
fool with changing them very much.  A few do help.  I am amazed at
the number of people who post messages asking for init strings and the
like.  I have had very few cases where the default could not at least
conduct a successful session..  Many of them are customizations.

 > On the LineLink 144e, they give you 2 commands
 > for the S regs., `Sr?' to read/display register `r' and `Sr=n' for
 > setting the register `r' Value to `n'...  Ok, but nothing about _what_
 > these do <G>.

A few I have played with are S11, where a lower number will speed up
the dialing.  On mine, S95 affects the Connect report, and a few others
do make a difference. But, all in all, I don't do a big lot with them
except to play around with them.

 > You have to hope that they're the same as Hayes settings... RIGHT!!!

Yeah, you -hope-.  The big thing now that there are so many features
being incorporated into the modems these days that it's getting to be
that you almost need to go to school to learn all that they will do <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93257 7-AUG 01:34  Telecom (6809)
     supercomm
     From: SMITHBA      To: RANDYKWILSON

Randy,

In following with DOMM's comments. I tried  using:
SUPERCOMM -f=/r0/file <>>>/w&
on sc 2.2 a send ascii box poped up asking for a file name.
I just pressed enter and the box closed. no file was opened.
on sc 2.3 it worked perfectly. I checked /r0 and found the
file was created and waiting for me to open the buffer.
I guess he will just have to wait, to get this great
version 2.3
Later,
BRIAN SMITH

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93264 9-AUG 19:03  General Information
     OS-9000 & Printer
     From: JOHNREED     To: EDELMAR

Hey Ed,
 I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!!

 The secret:  #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?)

 It seems my sound card is set to IRQ-7 but it's IRQ can be
 changed with a software command.  Resetting it to IRQ-10 and
 then booting OS-9000 gives me a printer that works.

 Messydos and OS-2 are probably resetting that IRQ for themselves,
 and Linux seems to ignore  the sound card, but OS-9000 finds it
 on IRQ7 and does not like it.

 Now, I will reset the sound card's jumper to IRQ-10, and then
 see what THAT screws up. (Grin).

 I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's.

 (mumble, grumble)

JohnW

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93286 13-AUG 05:38 General Information
     RE: OS-9000 & Printer (Re: Msg 93264)
     From: EDELMAR      To: JOHNREED


 > I finally managed to get my printer working with OS-9000!!
 > The secret:  #$%#^#$%$%^&& IRQ conflict -- (what else?)
 > ...
 > ...
 > I shoulda known it was the IRQ's , its ALWAYS the IRQ's.
 > (mumble, grumble)

 Big GRIN!!!

 Guess I was lucky - while I have a CDROM, I never installed the sound card -
 still sitting in the box collecting dust.

 Ed

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End of Thread.

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93265 9-AUG 23:42  General Information
     Bunk with a Monk
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear friends:

I am planning on attending the Atlanta COCOFest and I am looking
for a roommate(s) to share a hotel room with.  I'll be arriving
sometime Friday afternoon/evening and leaving Sunday late afternoon
or evening.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93266 10-AUG 01:56 General Information
     CD-i Dev. System for sale
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: ALL


                       **** FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE ****

            CD-i 602 Development System for sale
Barely used, Under Warranty, everything in perfect condition.
Includes CD-i Mouse (I wish I could find as good a mouse as this!),
Base case player ready to accept hard drives & ethernet cards.
Cannot use Digital Video Cards. Other than that, it's a full fledged
Development System! Fully supported by OptImage (a subsidiary of
Philips). I know there are people who want this BAD so snatch it up
quick! This unit was displayed at Chi' Fest '95 and uses composite or RGB
video. Also uses a caddy system so all your CDs are safe from wear!

     Price?

     Price?

     Price?!?

     $1500 FIRM   This is a STEAL!!! These things go for $3000 from
Optimage!!!


         Please reply by E-Mail. Or call: (815)-756-7419
         Hurry or it will be gone!

     Dave Pellerito - Digigrade Productions

 _____________________________________________________________________________
 |Dave Pellerito    -   <digigrade@delphi.com>  |  Posted using InfoXpress   |
 |Digigrade Productions   -   Digital Services  |  with an MM/1 running OSK  |
 |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 | *********** Compact discs, the greatest idea since television *********** |
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93268 10-AUG 21:18 General Information
     MM/1 Single board & Mouse
     From: JOHNBAER     To: ALL


   Anyone know if you can use the T1 port for a mouse on a MM/1
single board system ?  The T0 is used as a modem port and a mouse
would be nice :)

   Thanks in advance..

   John -


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93275 11-AUG 01:44 General Information
     RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93268)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOHNBAER

Well, I'll take a stab at it.  In one of my manuals it mentions that ms is the
serial mouse descriptor and if you are using it, I magine you could change it.
But I think that is the original stuff.  I don't have it on my system and I
haven't quite located what could be changed and where (got later modules).
Unforch, t1 does not have any lines for DTR, CD and RTS and this might make
using that port for a mouse an impossibility.  I have to dig into the books
to find out.  I got the extended system when I bought mine so I never looked
into using a different port for the mouse.

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93277 12-AUG 00:07 General Information
     RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93275)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: WA2EGP


  Thanks Bob!  I also bought the extended system way back...
Didn't need the `info' then :)  I'll keep digging...

  John -


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93278 12-AUG 00:28 General Information
     RE: MM/1 Single board & Mouse (Re: Msg 93277)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOHNBAER

Hey, no problem.  I wish I had help the first time I got mine (grin).

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End of Thread.

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93273 11-AUG 00:47 General Information
      NitrOS-9 v1.22
     From: JMOORFOOT    To: ALL

I haven't had any success getting V1.22 to boot & received the
following message (via internet) from Alan DeKok
  A quick question:  are you running a Burke & Burke system?  If so,
that's probably the source of your problems with v1.22.  Wes Gale
found the problem, and uploaded a fix to Chestnut a little while ago.

Well I am running a B&B system and chestnut doesn't look like coming
back to life, so can anyone help me with the fix.

John

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93276 11-AUG 23:09 General Information
     MM/1 For Sale
     From: ERNIEWITHERS To: ALL


For Sale:       Complete MM/1 System, S/N 120848 with IMS manuals
        Includes:       IMS Slimline case & power supply
                        I/O board
                        OS-9/68000 v2.4 with Microware manuals
                        3 megabytes RAM
                        4 serial ports (/t0, /t1, /t2, & /t3)
                        2 parallel ports (/p & /p1)
                        2 1.4MB floppy drives
                        105 MB Quantum hard drive
                        101 key XT/AT switchable keyboard
                        Logitech 3 button Series 9 serial mouse
                        Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor
                        MM/1 Technical Manual

        Software:               FHL's FBU & FRS backup/restore software
        (Includes original      FHL's DynaStar & DynaForm for 68000
          disk & manual)        BGFX
                                Fontasee font editor
                                WriteRight word processor
                                Speedisk disk defragmenter
                                Ved, Vprint, & Vmail
                                EthaGUI
                                Desktop
                                TasCOM
                                ColorSystems Game Pack
                                Lots of public domain software




All serious offers will be considered, preferably for the complete
system but I will consider breaking it up. I'll bring everything
to the Atlanta 'Fest if anyone is seriously interested.

If interested, leave E-Mail.

Ernest Withers   CIS: 71545,1117      Delphi: ERNIEWITHERS



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93280 12-AUG 07:07 General Information
     CONFERENCE NOTICE (a little late)
     From: MROWEN01     To: ALL

  POSTED: 12 Aug 95

  HAVE YOU FILLED OUT YOUR DATA SHEET FOR THE OS-9 SOURCE BOOK PROJECT?
  EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION (UG Membership is not required):


  ///////////////////////////////
  // DELPHI CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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  OS-9 Late Night Conference w/ Chris Perrault
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Monday, 14 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion
  Monday, 21 Aug 95 - 10PM ET - Open Discussion


  //////////////////////////////
  // GENIE CONFERENCE NOTICE: //
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  Coco Real Time Conference
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Every Sunday - Open discussion forum  9-10PM ET


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  OS-9 IRC Conference        Type  /join #os9  once inside IRC
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Sunday, 13 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum     
  Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum


  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com

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93282 12-AUG 14:54 General Information
     Win 95
     From: DBREEDING    To: ALL

Hey, all

Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD?  I saw part of it recently.. Hey,
did you know that, according to the demo, you can actually take Win-95
and start printing something and then, go back and do something else
while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT?  YES!  Isn't that amazing?

In the demo, they say, "It isn't magic.. It's Win 95"

What will they think of next?  Have any of you heard of anything so
amazing as being able to do TWO WHOLE TASKS on your computer AT THE
SAME TIME???  Hard to believe, isn't it?    <VBG>

I also saw a review of Win 95 in the Aug US News & World Report.

About multitasking, they say,

".. You can have two or three programs, or more, open at once.

"  It will still occasionally crash - ... - but most users will find
multitasking works most of the time."
                   ^^^^
Heh heh.. I guess as long as it works -part- of the time, it's better
than not at all..  Just think about it, a concept that's been pretty
well perfected what - 15 years? and they still haven't got it right.

Maybe someday...

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93304 13-AUG 23:43 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

I have seen it.  I'm almost as impressed as you are.  I have some old fossil
machines and software that people used to run businesses (inventory, payroll,
ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a lot of "bells-and-whistles"
added to very basic stuff.  Since most computer users never had experience
with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great.  OF course, I wouldn't
want to try a spreadsheet on a PDP-8 (grin).

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93315 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93282)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DBREEDING

         >>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it
       recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can
       actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go
       back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT?
       YES! Isn't that amazing?

         WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop
       computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for
       inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this
       right? You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually
       run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME? Do
       you think think this will open the doors for say, a person to
       someday be able to download a file from an electronic service,
       while also using another application at the same time? Perhaps
       even print a file on top of that? This is truly groundbreaking,
       and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever
       lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows
       imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of
       computing, Windows!

         ;-)
         >Chris<

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93320 17-AUG 21:03 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93304)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > I have seen it.  I'm almost as impressed as you are.  I have some old
 > fossil machines and software that people used to run businesses
 > (inventory, payroll, ledger, etc. on 64 K!) so the PC stuff looks like a
 > lot of "bells-and-whistles"
 > added to very basic stuff.  Since most computer users never had
 > experience with pre-PC machines, most of this stuff looks great.

Heh-heee..  I remember a few years ago when DOS finally got to where
they could just load 2 programs in memory... not run them, just load
a couple..  A PC person thought they'd just landed on Mars or something.

It's amazing to watch MS-Dos grow and improve.  Each improvement
makes it look more and more like Unix/OS9 or the Mac..

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93324 17-AUG 23:07 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93320)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I thought of
when I read your last message.  Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac.  Can they
do that?"  (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers."   BTW, I've been
thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using my
nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course).  Ain't computers
fun?  Bob (the original)

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93329 18-AUG 01:02 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > >>Has anyone seen the Win-95 Demo CD? I saw part of it
 > recently.. Hey, did you know that, according to the demo, you can
 > actually take Win-95 and start printing something and then, go
 > back and do something while you are STILL PRINTING THE DOCUMENT?
 > YES! Isn't that amazing?
 >
 > WOW!!! This is great, finally the technology to allow desktop
 > computers to multitask has arrived. We can all thank Microsoft for
 > inventing this! Now, David, you're completely sure about this
 > right?

Yes, at least they said they would.. I guess if it weren't for Microsquish,
this amazing technology would never have seen the light of day...

 > You mean, while you are printing a document, you actually
 > run and use a completely different process, AT THE SAME TIME?

I -KNEW- no one would believe me ...    :-(

 > This is truly groundbreaking,
 > and I hope everyone else like me will completely ditch whatever
 > lowly systems they own now, including that ultimate Windows
 > imitator, the Macintosh, and move over to the leading edge of
 > computing, Windows!

Why surely.  Judging from this, there is no equal..  <VBG>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93332 18-AUG 20:13 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
     From: JOHNREED     To: WA2EGP

 > been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using
 > my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course).  Ain't
 > computers fun?  Bob (the original)
 >
Too Late, Bob,
 It was my understanding that Mircrosoft has already Copyrighted "Bob",

 YOU must either obtain a license or change your name.  Sorry.

 (exit ducking and grinning)

John

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93336 19-AUG 02:02 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP

 > IF you have been following the Doonesbury comics, you can see what I
 > thought of
 > when I read your last message.  Paraphrased...."looks like a Mac.  Can
 > they do that?"  (Reading on box) "Supported by 300 lawyers."

I don't follow Doonesbury very closely.  My favorites are Wizard and B.C.
<G>

 >  BTW, I've
 > been thinking of starting a class action suit against Microsoft for using
 > my nickname for one of their products (all in jest of course).  Ain't
 > computers fun?  Bob (the original)

I saw a neat "press release from Microsoft" about BOB.  Did it come
through here?  If not, I can post it.  It tells what they will permit
in people's names etc.  It was kinda neat.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93341 19-AUG 22:46 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93315)
     From: WDTV5        To: THETAURUS

Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that
tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny
if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee,
whatzit, 13 years now?
Cheers, Gene

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93342 19-AUG 22:51 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93324)
     From: WDTV5        To: WA2EGP

The "original" eh? Reminds me once of a conversation I had on the cow barn
radio (CB) with a fellow that had been using the same handle I was using
for several years. When he found out I was in fact first (1958) he sure
changed handles in a hurry! Spose we could do that with Bill's stuff too?/
Cheers, Gene

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93344 20-AUG 00:20 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93332)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOHNREED

I have prior use.  Which was recognized by the government.  So there!
(This is all in jest guys)

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93345 20-AUG 00:22 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DBREEDING

Yeah.  I saw it.  A friend of mine emailed it to me.  And, of couse, his name
is Bob. (grin)

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93346 20-AUG 00:27 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93342)
     From: WA2EGP       To: WDTV5

Well, more original than their "Bob".  In those days, a person who used
another person's "handle" could result in a shooting! (At least in this area
of the world)  I think a better idea would be to treat it as an acronym and
figure out what it means.  Unforch, Deskmate doesn't fit. (Ooooh I'm gonna
hear it for that one <g>)

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93347 20-AUG 00:35 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93346)
     From: WDTV5        To: WA2EGP

Seems I recall a mate that fit on a desk once 8:) Maybe several times.
Cheers, Gene

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93355 20-AUG 12:34 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93336)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

Hi Dave,
  If I am not too mistaken, I think I posted such a message here right
after Bob was released.  Saw it in one of the computer publications
here in San Diego and thought people here might enjoy reading it.  I
laughed so hard I fell out of my chair.
  By the way, does anyone know the pronunciation of BOB if it is
spelled backwards? ;-)

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!
Peace and Long Life...
Siran of Vulcan (CMDR)
-= GEN =-

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93365 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93345)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WA2EGP (NR)

 > Yeah.  I saw it.  A friend of mine emailed it to me.  And, of couse, his
 > name is Bob. (grin)

I thought it was pretty neat.  It amazes me what these computer types come
up with satiring the big guys.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93367 20-AUG 23:35 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93341)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > Fur crying in the beer, please don't bite down, you'll amputate that
 > tongue stuck out there in that cheek! hahahahahaha. It would be funny
 > if it wasn't such a crying shame that we've been doing that for, gee,
 > whatzit, 13 years now?

Yeah, ain't it sad that we don't have a "superior" system like that?

I have always thought that OS9 is not for the novice, but there's a lady
here on our local BBS, who uses a PC.  Every time she tries to install
-anything- it's a month-long process.

She tried to install WinCIM last week.  I think one of her problems is
her so-called technician, but it won't even communicate with the modem.
I suspect the modem is set up for some oddball IRQ and Windows is not
set up right.  Apparently when you get your BIOS, DOS, and whatever
set up, you then have to go in and tell dummy Windoze what you've done,
too..  It's too brain-dead to figure it out itself, I suppose.


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93370 21-AUG 00:41 General Information
     RE: Win 95 (Re: Msg 93367)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING (NR)

Yeah, I liked that signoff somebody had. "Windoze is NOT a virus, viruses
do something"
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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93283 12-AUG 21:14 OSK Applications
     MM/1
     From: VAXELF       To: WA2EGP

  BTW, the basic MM/1 CPU board has 3 serial ports on it. All three are
usable to 19200 baud. Only /t1 can not use hardware flow control. It only
has 2,3,& 7. You will need the I/O board to get /t3 & /t4. Those are good
to 38400 baud. the /t1 may be better suited to be used on a serial printer
since it is a basic serial port. you will need a cable and paddle board
to use it. David has both in stock. I think the set runs around $45.00

John D.

P.S. I use /t0 to run a MFJ1274 TNC , /t1 to a MFJ1278B. Work great. the
1274 is in KISS mode and runs OSK version of KA9Q.

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93303 13-AUG 23:28 OSK Applications
     RE: MM/1 (Re: Msg 93283)
     From: WA2EGP       To: VAXELF

Yeah, most of the serials ports are partially brain-dead.  I have already
ordered paddle boards for mine.  'bout time I get the 14.4 K modem hooked up
to it (had the darn thing for over a year) before it becomes obsolete.  I
should get on packet again.  Have a couple of old TNC-1/TNC-1 clones here.
Just partial to the 6809 (grin).

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End of Thread.

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93289 13-AUG 18:08 General Information
     AR 1.4 for MSDOS
     From: JMURPHY      To: ALL

I've uploaded a version of AR 1.4 ported over to MSDOS,
with Carl's permission. S. Turner did the original port,
I've recompiled it using Borland C.

Minimal online help is available. For
full docs, please see the COCO or OSK versions.

Any questions or complaints regarding this version should be directed
to me, JMURPHY, not Carl or Simmy.

Have fun!

John Murphy

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93290 13-AUG 18:41 General Information
     Conference Update&Misc
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


         I'm sorry about the somewhat long delay, but I am finally done
       making the schedule for the Augest/September Latenight. For one, I
       forgot the original date of the Atlanta conference that Newton and
       I agreed on, because I didn't write it down on one of my 5 pieces
       of scrap paper blowing around my desk<Grin> and it took me a while
       to nail down the other major dates, but everything has panned out
       and the schedule not only is ready(albeit 3 weeks late), but is a
       good one too. The full schedule will be in the next post, and Mike
       Rowen will, as usual, be posting it in his conference updates, but
       I'll give you a quick rundown here. Our big one for the end of
       September will be a conference on the Sculptor Database system
       with the President of KD Associates, Kurt Johnson. The week before
       that we will have our Atlanta prefest conference 'See You in
       Atlanta' like we did last year. Again, Newton White of the Atlanta
       Computer Society will be with us for the complete rundown.
       Sidenote, make your reservations for the fest now, if you haven't
       already.  I don't know about the other publications but an ad in
       the latest 'world of 68 micros' has all the details. Returning
       will be Mike Rowen, the UG's VP of 6809 for a continuation of the
       conference he had last month! And one more Biggie...Our 1 year
       anniversary! Augest seems to be a good month for anniversaries, as
       not only did Frank Swygert reach the 2 year goal with '268m', but
       OS-9 Late Night will be celebrating it's first year. Augest is
       definately a month to celebrate(and plan ahead to the next year!).

         Tomorrow night(Monday, Augest 14), will be an Open Forum, so
       please stop in, kick back, and teach me about OS-9!!!

         Oh yeah, another note, to Dave Breeding and those of you helping
       me out with my adventures in Basic09, I haven't forgotten you. I
       do intend to get back to you with an update. I just haven't been
       at the machine that much over the last week or two. Between work
       and the fact that it seems my  car engine is blown(it seems my
       Olds has been spending too much time with Frank Swygert's
       Rambler...), I've just been preoccupied. Hopefully I'll get a
       little time with it tonight, and maybe will have some possible
       solutions to some of this either tomorrow night or later this
       week. I just didn't want to give the impression I was asking for
       help then brushing the advice under a rug<grin>.


         And since I'm rambling...I got the latest '268m' and agree with
       James Jones. If going bimonthly will help Frank(and therefore
       improve an already great magazine), I say go for it. It's only an
       extra two weeks, which isn't much to ask. Since I have not only
       the latest issue, but _Mastering OS-9_ and _Tandy's Little Wonder_
       which I recently purchased from Farna, I have plenty of reading
       material to keep me busy! All I have to do is send my renewal
       in(rattle my cage in a couple weeks guys in case I forget<G>).
       This was a good issue, and I'm glad to hear there are a lot of
       people submitting articles. If you are writing articles for '268m'
       or any OS-9 publication for that matter, KEEP IT UP! There is no
       such thing as too many articles, and I hope to get a few in to
       '268m' myself before starting college this fall.

         Blackhawk and Whittman seem to be serious in pushing the latest
       MM/1b machine, judging from the ads in the latest issue. Has
       anyone purchased this yet? It seems like a good deal, tho at first
       I didn't consider it, because I wanted a full blown regular MM/1,
       or a System V(latter for Gwindows support), but lately it has been
looking like a good developers machine with a good price. If my car
       problems aren't so serious(ie: it's not the engine but more of a
       $200 problem, which is my preference<G>), I may consider using the
       loan money on this instead, if I can count on Kwindows being
       ported in the near future. That's a big if tho... :-/ If you own
       one of these, I'd be interested in an owner's review of it,
       similar to what David Breeding did in 268m with his System V.

         See Ya

         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 Users' Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator


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93291 13-AUG 18:44 General Information
     Latenight Schedule
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


                                OS-9 Late Night
                               Conference Schedual
                            For Augest AND September

          Date                Time(EST)      Topic

          Augest 7, 1995      10:00 PM       Open Forum

          Augest 14, 1995     10:00 PM       Open Forum

          Augest 21, 1995     10:00 PM       Open Forum

          Augest 28, 1995     10:00 PM       Happy Anniversary!

            Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first
          year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss
          our anniversary get together, when we review the past year
          and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what
          is planned for the upcoming year!

          September 4, 1995   10:00 PM       OS-9 UG VP of 6809

            Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike
          Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns
          to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so
          much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9
          community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little
          way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU
          can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us
          with your own ideas!

          September 11, 1995  10:00 PM       Open Forum

          September 18, 1995  10:00 PM       See You in Atlanta!

            Newton White, from the Atlanta Computer Society will be
          here to preview the upcoming Atlanta CocoFest(9/30,10/31).
          If you want to know who will be there, how you can get
          there, and what it's like to be at an Atlanta Cocofest, this
          is the place to be. If you haven't registered to attend, do
          so now!!

          September 25, 1995  10:00 PM       Sculptor W/KD Associates

            Kurt Johnson, President of KD Associates will be here to
          answer your questions about Sculptor, the highly touted OS-9
          database that is used all over! Sculptor has been THE
          database for OS-9 based systems for years now, and it is
          flexible enough to be used for many different applications.
          Kurt will discuss some of the possibilities as well as some
          of the places and companies that currently use Sculptor,
          such as NASA. Until recently when KD Associates began
          running ads in the MOTD, Sculptor was hard to find and many
          considered it an abandoned work. Now the word is out.
          Sculptor is back and supported 100%, and we will learn more
          about it right here, on OS-9 Late Night!


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93293 13-AUG 19:22 OSK Applications
     RE: OSK C Bug (Re: Msg 92931)
     From: KSCALES      To: WRHAMBLEN (NR)

 > The Microware C compiler release 3.2 running under OS-9/68000 release 2.4
 > apparently has a problem with the ? operator and string constants.  A
 > line of code such as:
 >
 > s = flag ? "string1" : "string2"
 >
 > sometimes generates code with the wrong value for the pointer to a
 > string constant.  This caused me a bit of head-scratching.  The work
 > around is to avoid this construct or to use GCC.

Bud -

Right.  I ran into this problem too when I ported the 'sc' spreadsheet.
(Gee, looking at my files, that was FOUR years ago now!  How time flies.)
It meant I had to put "ifdef OSK" conditionals around quite a few
occurences in the port.

I haven't been bit by it for quite a while, and guess I started to pass
it off as being due to having received some pre-OS-9 V2.4 modules on my
master disks, and figured that the updates MAY have fixed this.  But
you're not running an MM/1, are you?  So this means that the problem
likely still remains in the final release, too.  Probably I have just
been avoiding using the troublesome cases.

As I remember it, most code using the "?:" ternary operator works fine;
it was only with strings, and then mostly with compound embedded
statements that I encountered the problem.

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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93295 13-AUG 19:22 Telecom (6809)
     AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111)
     From: KSCALES      To: DBREEDING

 > > Is there anyone else out there who uses AlphaSoft's Warp1 for OS-9
 > > telecommunications?
 > >                       If I use the
 > > buffer to screen capture and then list -- it gives me a double spaced
 > > list.
 >
 > That's in the listing of the buffer only?  I had the same problem with
 > OSTerm.  You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
 > want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
 > until a true LF is sent.

Hi, David --

Thought I would add a bit of clarification. <g>

First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one.
OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and
will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode).

The default for either version of OSTerm would be to NOT enable automatic
linefeeds.  Turning _on_ LFs (with either version) _only_ affects what is
sent to the display, and is intended to permit compatibility with hosts that
DON'T automatically send CRLF pairs after each line.  In fact, it would be
a rare case where this configuration would be used, since most hosts
do send CRLF pairs, except when set for a special terminal emulation.
(That is, turning on the extra linefeeds should rarely be necessary.)

As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100
compatibility:  "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that
a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF".

Fun, eh?

 > There are a couple of solutions.
 >
 > 1. use a utility to strip out LF's
 > 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
 > 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list.  This won't
 > work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
 > own linefeeds.

Another option that I use is:

 4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer.


Cheers... / Ken (finally catching up on my forum reading...)
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 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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93306 14-AUG 21:06 Telecom (6809)
     RE: AlphaSoft - Warp1 (Re: Msg 93111) (Re: Msg 93295)
     From: DBREEDING    To: KSCALES

My statement:
 > > That's in the listing of the buffer only?  I had the same problem with
 > > OSTerm.  You can turn off LF's, (at least in OSTerm), but then if you
 > > want to view it on the screen, it keeps overwriting the single line,
 > > until a true LF is sent.

 > First, the version of OSTerm you are describing is the 6809 one.

Right.  I was, indeed, referring to the 6809 version.  I am not familiar
with the OSK version, since, AFAIK, there is no termcap version
available. <sigh>

 > OSTerm/68K automatically strips linefeeds from the capture buffer (and
 > will also strip the ANSI/VT100 sequences when in the appropriate mode).

Two great features.  The feature about stripping out the control sequences
is really neat.  A capture buffer is something that one often wishes to
review.  The linefeeds are, as we have resolved, not all that hard to
work around, albeit just a little extra work, but the control sequences
can be really messy.  STerm strips out the ESC but leaves in the subsequent
control characters.. makes for rather messy reading <G>

 > As an extra twist, OSTerm/68K V2.3 includes another option for VT100
 > compatibility:  "newline" mode allows it to be configured so that
 > a "CR" is inserted following each received "LF".
 >
 > Fun, eh?

Well, it does make for completeness..

BTW.. I have noticed one thing with a local BBS.  I don't know how often
you will encounter this, but on screen pause, it issues a prompt,
kinda centered on the line, "Slap a key", FWIW... When you press your key,
the BBS sends extra BS's, about 20 -30.  About everything I have, both
OSK and CoCo keep backspacing up into the previous line.  Apparently most
PC programs stop the backspace at the left margin, one program had the
cursor "bumping" the left margin with the extra backspaces.  Would this
be too hard to implement?  Or is this backspacing up into the previous
line necessary for some applications?

 > > There are a couple of solutions.
 > >
 > > 1. use a utility to strip out LF's
 > > 2. For screen listings, set tmode -lf for the screen
 > > 3. Use the command "merge" instead of list.  This won't
 > > work for the printer unless you have it set to not provide its
 > > own linefeeds.
 >
 > Another option that I use is:
 >
 > 4. Use the command "copy filename /p" to send the file to the printer.

Yep, used that one too,  forgot to mention it, <G>

Speaking of the various ways to skin a cat... we can surely get him
skinned here, can't we.

Good to hear from you Ken.  This is some more good news on OSTerm.  The
only better thing I could hear would be the appearance of a termcap or
G-Windows version <hint><hint>

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93299 13-AUG 22:48 General Information
     help
     From: ROBERT84     To: ALL

Hi All,

I hate to ask this twice, but about 3 weeks ago I asked if
anyone knew where
I could get a 6309 chip because mine is toast.  Well someone
gave me a list
of several address, and I have lost them.  I would appreciate it
if that person
or someone else could give me that list again.

Thanks,
Bob

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93300 13-AUG 22:58 General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 93299)
     From: RANDYKWILSON To: ROBERT84

Bob,

 Since your address list was posted in a forum message, it is still in the
message base. You just need to find it again. The message you seek is #93189.
I found it by doing a selective read, starting at 92500 (which, at current
posting rates, is probably six months old). "read 92500+ to ROBERT84". The
first one up is the correct one.

 Try *that* with this new-n-improved GUI. :>

   Randy

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End of Thread.

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93308 14-AUG 21:24 General Information
     The New AT306
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd
like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its potential.

While realizing that the AT306 won't launch the fifth dynasty of the
personal OS-9 community, it is still an excellent introductory OS-9 machine,
and I'm excited to be a part of the development team.

The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to start
over and do things right.  I think the low cost of this board will make it
a popular item.  We can take the experience and mistakes that we
learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more
versatile machine.

Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1:

 - COST
                For around $400, you get the 68306 board.  For another
        $50, you can purchase a case and power supply for it.  Add $30
        for a cheap AT keyboard, $40 for a 3.5" 1.44MB floppy drive,
        and $70 for two 1MB SIMMs for a total of 2MB.  Using a CoCo
        as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under $600

 - PC AT BUS
                Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting
        after for years.  Internal modems, VGA cards, sound cards,
        game cards, super duper I/O cards.  You name it, and it will
        probably work.

 - VGA, VGA and VGA
                Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye.  Kiss that damn
        interlace goodbye.  Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high
        high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling
        that doesn't eat the CPU.  I've seen the hardware text scrolling on
        the 306.  In one word:  F-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-S-T.

 - AT KEYBOARDS
                Recall that the MM/1 only uses XT keyboards which are getting
        harder and harder to find.  Plus, in my experience, one out of every
        two XT keyboards I've tried with the MM/1 doesn't work, narrowing the
        choices that much more.

                The AT306 uses an AT keyboard.  Hallelujah!  Again, I can go
        to (insert favorite local computer superstore here) and pick
        up the latest AT keyboard/mouse/calculator/keypad and know that
        it will work fine on the AT306.

 - NO MORE PADDLE BOARDS
                Amen and amen again!  Not only does the AT306 come with FOUR
        serial ports standard (two 68681 variants, and two high-throughput
        16550s), but all that's needed is a 10pin dual row header connector
        going to a DB-9 or DB-25 connector, mounted to the back of the PC
        chassis.

 - I CAN MOUNT IT IN A PC CASE
                This board is designed for a Baby AT case, and just "drops in."
        I don't have to break out the drill and bits, align (and mis-align),
        or fill my case with unwanted holes.

 - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
                IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
        readily available and pretty fast too.  4x IDE CD-ROM drives
        are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones.  Cheap tape backup
        solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc)

 - MEMORY
                You can go up to 64MB with the AT306, as opposed to the 11MB
        of the MM/1.

 - K-WINDOWS... NOT!
                Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how
        not to write a windowing system.  Let's not be bitter:  I'm not knocking

        Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is
        too tied to old methods and ideas.  It's fine for the MM/1.  In my
        opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is.  But the 306 has the
        potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and
        G-Windows without a hitch.  As a community, we should rally around one
        of these graphical environments.


There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't:  DMA.
I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so
as to keep the price down.  Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm
not all that concerned about the lack of DMA.

My AT306 comes in on Wednesday.  Once I have it up and running, I'll post
my impressions here on the forum.
--
Boisy G. Pitre__    __  __              Delphi:  BOISY
          |_   _|   \ \/ /              CompuServe:  74464,3005
I use...   _| |_     >  <               Internet:  boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
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93316 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
     From: THETAURUS    To: BOISY

         >>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306,
       MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this
       machine and it's potential.<<

         Thanks for this post Boisy, and also for the information you
       shared on this on last Monday's OS-9 Late Night. Before learning
       more about the machine and why KWindows was dropped for this in
       favor of MGR, I had assumed it was just simply an attempt at a
       cheaper MM/1, with little expandability and future potential. From
       the details you shared, I was dead wrong. Not only does it appear
       more expandable then the MM/1, it appears to have a more overall
       sound hardware design that is at the same time, current. Also, it
       now appears MGR is actually a plus to have rather than just what I
       thought was a cheap attempt to replace Kwindows. Not only is it a
       more current windowing system(going by your post. I'm not
       experienced with either), but it should be less expensive to add
       to a system and port as it isn't a commercial product, plus there
       should already be an existing software base for this GUI. This
       already makes the machine much more marketable outside the Coco
       community. If only we get a few new apps written for the new
       platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software
       base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able
       to carve a nitch. Here's hoping at least half the people attending
       Atlanta Fest walks out with one of these boards. Now to address
       another issue...

         >>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under
       $600.<<

         Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is
       there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a
       desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as
       a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA. Since
       MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board
       or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-)

         I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm
       real excited about this too!

         See Ya
         >Chris<

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93326 18-AUG 01:01 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
     From: DBREEDING    To: BOISY

 > With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306, MM/1b), I'd
 > like to share some thoughts I have regarding this machine and its
 > potential.

 > The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to
 > start over and do things right.  I think the low cost of this board will
 > make it a popular item.  We can take the experience and mistakes that we
 > learned from the MM/1 and apply them to make a better supported, more
 > versatile machine.
 >
 > Some comparisons between the AT306 and the MM/1:

 > - PC AT BUS
 > Now I can finally buy those PC cards I've been lusting
 > after for years.

This is a great feature.  The only drawback in choosing a card is the
fact that you need a driver.  I wonder if the same driver would work
for the PT/Delmar systems.  If this be the case, this would enhance
the choices immensely.  The AT306 could use drivers already written
for these and there would no doubt be people in the 306 side who would
want to write drivers that don't yet exist.  But this might be wishful
thinking on my part.

 > - VGA, VGA and VGA
 > Kiss that 15KHz monitor restriction goodbye.  Kiss that damn
 > interlace goodbye.  Say hello to 4x3 aspect ratio graphics, high
 > high resolution graphics, easy-to-read VGA fonts and text scrolling
 > that doesn't eat the CPU.

Yes, and VGA monitors are easy to find.  In addition to that, if you have
to buy a new 15KHz, a 14" costs almost as much as a 15" SVGA monitor.

Of course, if you get G-Windows running, you might want a 17".  With
small fonts, you can get 4 full 80x24 screens displayed in full at the
same time.  You can do this with a 15" or 14", too, but they are just a
little bit tiny <G>


 > - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
 > IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
 > readily available and pretty fast too.  4x IDE CD-ROM drives
 > are quite a bit cheaper than SCSI ones.  Cheap tape backup
 > solutions are available (Ditto, Conner, etc)

I have IDE and am totally thrilled with it.

 > - K-WINDOWS... NOT!
 > Believe it or not, K-Windows is an interesting example on how
 > not to write a windowing system.  Let's not be bitter:  I'm not knocking
 > Kevin Darling, who I think is an excellent programmer, but K-Windows is
 > too tied to old methods and ideas.  It's fine for the MM/1.  In my
 > opinion, K-Windows MAKES the MM/1 what it is.  But the 306 has the
 > potential to run more mature graphics packages like MGR, X-Windows and
 >
 > G-Windows without a hitch.  As a community, we should rally around one
 > of these graphical environments.

I'm hoping for G-Windows <G>.  This is what I have and I really hope to see
one common graphics interface come to the front, and of course you know
what I am hoping for.

 > There's only one thing the MM/1 has that the AT306 doesn't:  DMA.
 > I would have liked to have seen this on the AT306, but it was left out so
 > as to keep the price down.  Given all of the advantages listed above, I'm
 > not all that concerned about the lack of DMA.

Well, that is one thing I would liked to have had on mine.  The HD is so fast,
it presents no problem, but if you are trying to work with the floppy,
say format, or copy the whole disk, you just as well hang it up.  In
this respect, I think the original HALT CoCo gave you more chances to
get something sandwiched in <G>

But, as you say, with all the other advantages, I'm not going to cry over
mine, and I'm sure you can get around it with the 306.

 > My AT306 comes in on Wednesday.  Once I have it up and running, I'll post
 > my impressions here on the forum.

I'm looking forward to hearing about it myself.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93327 18-AUG 01:01 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93316)
     From: DBREEDING    To: THETAURUS

 > >>With the recent messages about the new AT306 (a.k.a WCP306,
 > MM/1b), I'd like to share some thoughts I have regarding this
 > machine and it's potential.<<

 > If only we get a few new apps written for the new
 > platform as well as port the already existing Kwindows software
 > base(which is pretty impressive itself), we may actually be able
 > to carve a nitch.

Well, I'm certain all Termcap-based software will be a shoe-in, and
there's a tremendous database for this out there.  They may not be
as "fancy" as the windows-based apps, but they work.

 > Now to address
 > another issue...
 >
 > >>Using a Coco as a terminal, you have an OSK machine for under
 > $600.<<
 >
 > Now why would using the Coco as a terminal be necessary? Is
 > there a proper video card available to allow it to run as a
 > desktop system? I hope this isn't something that has to be run as
 > a term based system only, ala the Kix machines without MGA.

Well, from the description, it is only a matter of writing a driver
for some video board.  I'm sure someone has written one for -some-
board.  I suspect what he meant was that you could get up and running
if you didn't want to purchase a board and monitor right away.  Going
back to what I said above, all you'd have to do to run termcap-based
software would be to setenv TERM COCO.  It would work perfectly.

 > Since
 > MGR is included, I assume this isn't the case and there is a board
 > or card available to make it a 'real' computer :-)

I would prefer to have it as you call it a 'real' computer, but still,
if you wanted to get started on a budget, you'd have a really neat
setup with the coco term.  Where you'd see the difference would be
when you unzipped a 200K file or the like.

 > I'm looking for to your review once you get your system. I'm
 > real excited about this too!

As I told Boisy, I am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with,
myself.  This should prove quite interesting.

As you said, this might expand our userbase significantly.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93343 19-AUG 22:56 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93326)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that
for the life of me, I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use
one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more
dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel
port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop captures
cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to the drive!
Major pain in the drain that.
Cheers, Gene

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93357 20-AUG 17:09 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93308)
     From: EDELMAR      To: BOISY (NR)

 Boisy,

 Some comments regarding your messages re the AT306.

 In message #93308 you state -

 > The AT306 represents a chance for us, the personal OS-9 programmers, to
 > start over and do things right.  ....

 This opportunity existed from the time the SYSTEM IV was introduced in
 Atlanta - the same time the MM/1 was shown publicly.  Prior to the intro-
 duction of the SYSTEM IV, this opportunity existed with the K1 and K2
 boards from Peripheral Technology.

 You continue outlining the advantages of the AT306 vs the MM/1.  I won't
 get into a long discourse of your points.  Suffice it to say that most of
 the advantages you outlined have been available to this community for many
 years with the IV.  Many in the community have purchased and are quite
 satisfied with their IVs.  Others have upgraded to the SYSTEM V.

 I do question one statement you made -

 >  - AFFORDABLE MASS STORAGE
 >              IDE may not be on the same par as SCSI, but it is cheap,
 >      readily available and pretty fast too.

 Neither tests we have run, tests published in several of the PC magazines
 nor tests by several of the VME hardware manufacturers substantiate such a
 statement.  If you pick and choose test results, you can prove either is
 faster.  My experience is that a greater variation exists between drive
 manufacturers and models.  The SCSI and IDE versions of a given drive will
 produce about the same results.  SCSI-2 and SCSI-FAST are intended to be
 faster and there are drive/scsi boards/driver combinations available for
 MSDOS that do come close to expectations.  However, I've yet to see or hear
 of anyone demonstrating these advantages under OS-9.  In message #93318
 you did express surprise at the performance of your IDE drive <g>.

 In message #93318 you listed some dhrystone results which I found somewhat
 baffling.

 > Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations:

 > MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340)   :      4395
 > MM/1  (15Mhz 68070)      :      3229
 > AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306)   :      4239

 In Atlanta, when the SYSTEM IV was introduced, Kevin Pease asked if
 he could run his dhrystone program on the IV.  He stated the MM/1 ran at
 about 1000 for 50000 passes.  (This is Dhrystone Version 1.0 - I have a copy.)
 The SYSTEM IV (16 Mhz 68000) came in at 1666 for 50000 passes.  If we
 'normalize' and use the MM/1 results as a base, (1666/1000 = x/3229) under
 Version 2.1 the SYSTEM IV will come in at about 5380.  The difference in
 performance is primarily due to the microcode Signetics was forced to use
 when the licensing agreement with Motorola expired.  There is a small
 difference (around 6%) due to the different clock speeds.

 A couple of years later when I introduced the SYSTEM V in Chicago, Kevin had
 a 68040 machine he was showing.  He ran some dhrystone tests on his machine,
 the IV and the V.  The V was running at 25 MHz, the IV at 16 MHz and, as I
 recall, his 68040 was running at 40 MHz.  He had a different version of
 dhrystone (which I don't have).  Anyway, the results were almost directly
 proportional to the respective clock speeds.  I don't have the exact numbers
 but as I recall, the IV came in around 5000, the V around 8000 and his
 68040 was around 13000.

 Since the MM/1a and the AT306 are using Motorola chips, we should expect
 the microcode to be comparable to that used in the 68000.  With this in
 mind, I would expect differences to be mainly due to the different clock
 speeds.  Thus, I would expect results something like the following -

 MM/1  (15Mhz 68070)      :      3229 (reference)
 MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340)   :      4670 (5380 X 13.89/16)
 AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306)   :      5605 (5380 X 16.67/16)

 So it appears the version of dhrystones you are using is understating the
 performance of the AT306 and MM/1a.  (I never did think much of the dhrystone
 test.)  If you like, I can send you a copy of the dhrystones program I have
 or, if you prefer, send me a copy of the one you are using and I'll run tests
 on the IV and V.

 Two features of the AT306 I like are the 16 bit bus expansion slots
 and the use of 16550 serial chips.  I am waiting for my AT306 from Carl.
 He said it would be another 2 weeks - supposed to be the first production
 board.  Early on my agenda is a port of G-WINDOWS.  So, the AT306 will have
 at least one full fledged windowing/gfx package.  Carl also stated no
 port of K-Windows was planned but he was going to finish MGR.

 Keep reporting your experiences - I think we all find them interesting.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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93364 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93343)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > David, silly Q: Does that IDE interface do dma? The reason I ask is that
 > for the life of me,

The one on my Sys 5 doesn't, or I assume the IDE doesn't.  The floppy
doesn't.  However, I do not lose any characters with HD capture using
a 14.4 modem and 38400 serial speed.  But read on down.

 I can't seem to train the driver on my amiga to use
 > one of the 25 dma channels it has! This coco at 9600 baud is far more
 > dependable than the amiga which even with a buffered extra card seriel
 > port kit, still drops chars by the paragraph during text non-stop
 > captures cause it blocks all irq's and uses the cpu to move the data to
 > the drive! Major pain in the drain that.

Yes, it is.  I must say that my coco with the SC II is much more pleasant
to use with the floppy than my Sys 5.  However, it seems that the HD
is fast enough to take care of things.

I did modify STerm to the effect that instead of sending XOFF on save to
disk, I changed it to drop CTS (or RTS).  I haven't tried it with floppy
capture, but maybe it will work, too.

Actually, the serial drivers should be modified to do automatic hardware
flow control.  I modified mine to do this, also.  What I did was pretty
crude, but now rarely see anything that looks like a glitch in transmission.

I never see any errors in zmodem transfers, either (knock on wood).


                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93369 21-AUG 00:39 General Information
     RE: The New AT306 (Re: Msg 93364)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING (NR)

unforch, the drivers source isn't available, and I've not found a disasm
for it that actually works yet, at least not near as well as the ones we
have for the coco. Pity. I just fiddled with a bunch of the options, and
altho I did get a 1.2 meg/sec plus write speed, thats not going to help.
When it shuts to irq's off to write to the disk, all hell breaks loose
in the relativly unbuffered seriel ports, nobody has seen fit to make
us a board that uses the 16550 yet.
Cheers, Gene

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End of Thread.

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93310 15-AUG 20:51 General Information
     Ride
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear Friends:

Is anyone in the Chicago area planning on driving to the Atlanta
Fest, and if so, would you like to share the ride with a monk.
I'll help pay for gas, tolls, etc.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93311 15-AUG 20:52 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($)
     Hershey Fonts
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear friends:

Does anyone have a copy of the April 1988 Issue of Rainbow on Disk?
There was an article by Wm. Barden on the Hershey fonts that I am
interested in.  I have the issue of Rainbow, and there appears to
be an error in one line of the code.  I need to see if they fixed
the error was on the Rainbow Disk.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93312 15-AUG 23:49 Rainbow OS-9 Material ($)
     RE: Hershey Fonts (Re: Msg 93311)
     From: WDTV5        To: REVWCP

I don't happen to have it in front of me, but one item you might try
is to substitute any characters you think are ell's for one's and vise-versa.
I've had that bite me in Rainbow code as published more than once. It
was often printed on an old DMP printer that used the same EXACT character
for both an ell and a one. FYI I have a disk or 2 full of the Hershey Font
for the Amiga, if you are interested, I'll convert the lf's to cr's and
send it along some eveniing. Its big though! Seems I recall its on 2
of the amiga 880k 3.5" disks right now. You might even wander around
in their database here and see if you can get it direct, that version of
lha is compatible with the coco version.
Cheers Brother Jeremy, Gene

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End of Thread.

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  Sunday, 27 Aug 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum
  Sunday, 10 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : OS-9 Users group projects
  Sunday, 24 Sep 95 - 10PM ET (GMT -4) : Open Forum


  ---------------------------- ATTENTION! --------------------------
     Are there any other on-line conferences happening out there?

   If you know of other conferences or events that are taking place on
   other on-line services (AOL,Genie,CIS, etc.) please send mail to me
   at either address listed below. I will post any information I receive.


   Mike Rowen
   VP OS-9/6809
   OS-9 Users Group
   mrowen01@delphi.com


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93317 16-AUG 21:58 General Information
     OS-9 Late Night
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


         Here is a review and reminder. Last Monday night's Late Night,
       which was an Open Forum was great. When I got in, Boisy was
       already there talking about the new At306 computer he just
       ordered(not to himself,but others of course<G>). I learned a lot
       about this computer and found a lot of my initial reservations
       about the machine were moot and the truth it, at $400 for the
       board, this is one impressive machine, and I can't wait to get it
       in my hands myself. Check out his post here if you haven't
       already. And I hope, for those of you selling the machine who
       might be reading this, that you promote this product aggresively,
       and in many different areas. This has great potential, and if as
       Boisy said  people get behind it, could be our big break as far as
       getting new users and building on the software base that has
       already begun to grow a bit. I hope this machine eventually makes
       it into General computer shows across the country as well as OS-9
       and Coco based shows.

         Now, next Monday will be another Open Forum. I hope many of you
       show up so we can have another good conference like the last one.
       Don't forget, the conference on Augest 28th will be our 1 year
       annivesary celebration, do let's make this a biggie! Car
       dealerships are already planning the big celebration sales :-)

         On September 4th, Mike Rowen who is the OS-9 Users' Group Vice
       President of 6809 users will be back to discuss issues related the
       OS-9 Level II and activities going on within the UG. If you are
       interested in the UG, want to volunteer to work on UG activities,
       or have any comments or ideas, please be on hand for this.

         Check the conference banner for complete details on the upcoming
       conferences as there is a lot going on in the upcoming months!

         See Ya
         >Chris<

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93318 17-AUG 00:01 General Information
     The new AT306 -- Impressions
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

As I expected, my AT306 arrived today from Kreider Electronics.

It has gone beyond my expectations.  Awesome.  I stand amazed at the work
that has gone into the hardware and the software.  But on to more objective
notes.

My AT306 is currently in a mid-tower case.  It has 8MB of RAM currently,
a 200MB IDE Conner Hard drive, and a 1.44MB floppy.  My MM/1 is currently
acting as a terminal to the machine.  I have a VGA (Trident 8900) card
plugged in, but no VGA monitor as of yet.  Perhaps tomorrow...

After getting the board out of the packing material, I examined it closely.
It looked compact and well designed, with lots of thought to the PC case
environment.  Placing it in the mid tower case and mounting was a piece of
cake.  Four plastic mounts, two metal standoffs, two screws, and the board
was resting solidly on the side of the case.

Plugging PS8 and PS9 to the board was easy and straightforward.  Following
the thorough and excellent documentation, I had my hard drive and floppy
hooked up, and my 8MB SIMMs (2 4MBx80ns) installed in no time.  Booting
from floppy, I was able to format my IDE hard drive, install an OS-9 boot
file on it, and subsequently boot from the hard drive.

Rombug comes standard with this machine, which is a nice touch.  It's
a great tool for system development, especially for drivers.  I was able
to control whether or not Rombug would come up via a DIP switch block on
the motherboard.

Folks, this board looks just like a little PC, except there's a Motorola
processor on it.  The one AT card I put in (VGA) slid into place without
a hitch.  Great work on getting alignment to work with standard PC cases!

Benchmarks
          Once the AT306 was up and running, I was eager to do some benchmarking

to see how well it held up to my MM/1a and Joel's MM/1.  Here are some
timings:


Dhrystone 2.1, 10000 iterations:

MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340)   :      4395
MM/1  (15Mhz 68070)      :      3229
AT306 (16.67Mhz 68306)   :      4239


As you can see, the AT306 is very close to the 68340 in speed, and way over
a stock MM/1.  I was surprised to find that it ran so fast.  Very impressive
indeed.  The speed gain over the 68070 alone makes this machine a worthy
price competitor.


I also benchmarked disk speed with a program called 'timeio'.  I only
have results for the MM/1a and AT306, not the MM/1:

MM/1a (13.89MHz 68340, Quantum 240MB SCSI HD):   840K/bytes per second
AT306 (16.67MHz 68306, Conner 200MB IDE HD):    1.35MB per second


This result really surprised me.  In spite of the MM/1a having SCSI DMA,
the AT306 _without_ DMA showed a remarkable improvement in disk access.


At this point, I'm still setting up the system to my liking.  I'll report
more as it happens.

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93319 17-AUG 00:56 General Information
     Bunk with a Monk
     From: REVWCP       To: ALL

Dear friends:

I have a room that I will be willing to share at the NorthLake
Holiday Inn, site of the Atlanta CoCofest.  Let me know if you
want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother Jeremy."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+: With all best wishes, :::::  When all else fails :+
+: Brother Jeremy, CSJW  ::::::::::: ask a Monk :::::+
+: OS9 Users Group Treasurer ::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::+
+::: revwcp@delphi.com :::::::::: CIS - 76477,142 :::+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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93322 17-AUG 21:45 General Information
     RE: Bunk with a Monk (Re: Msg 93319)
     From: THETAURUS    To: REVWCP

      >>Let me know if you want to be able to say, "I slept with Brother
Jeremy."

 LOL, this almost guarrentees a spot of Sally Jesse Rapheal!

 >Chris<

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End of Thread.

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93323 17-AUG 23:02 OSK Applications
     SYQuest 555
     From: ADITNAVEL    To: ALL

Howdy all!

     I Just got hold of a Syquest 555 for a good price and I was wondering
if anyone had set up up before in their OSK machine. Currently I have an
MM/1, and I've tentatively compiled a descriptor up, but was wndering if
there i anything I specifically need to wathc out for?
    I've set the the driver kind to HRemov, and set the PD_Cntl Bit 2 (as
stated in the MM/! tech maunal). If anyone has any comment or set one of these
things up on an MM/1 before I'll appreciate any info you could give me.

                                   Thanks!

                                         Dean

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93325 17-AUG 23:50 General Information
     More AT306 -- VGA
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

I couldn't wait.  Today I went out and purchased a VGA monitor for the
AT306.  15" Sony Trinitron, great picture, and OS-9 characters never
looked so good.

Currently I'm logged into through /t0 (the sc68306 serial port) and
talking to my US Robotics modem at 57600 baud with no missing characters.
Thanks to the 16550, we're cooking.

The work done on the VGA console interface is amazing.  I currently
have 8 virtual consoles open.  I wrote a simple color utility to send
out ANSI color escape sequences based on color names, and color
seems to be working great.

The NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock lights track the VC (virtual
console) as I flip throuh them w/ ALT/F1 to ALT/F12.  Scrolling
text is a tone faster on here than on the MM/1.

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93334 18-AUG 21:34 General Information
     Alpha testers needed for FMV adventure g
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: ALL


     Yes folks! The "game with no name" is in full swing! However, those bugs
can take time to kill. Testers with 070s and 030s are needed.

     You must be able to keep the game to yourself. I don't want it shown to
user groups or sent to others to test. Testers must have experiance with
debugging data/logic errors. Some testers will be given pieces of source code.

     System requirements: MM/1 with I/O board and 68070 or 68030 and HD.

     Kwin 53 or higher also required.


     Send Email to DIGIGRADE or DIGIGRADE@AOL.COM


       Dave


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93359 20-AUG 21:16 General Information
     RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93334)
     From: THETAURUS    To: DIGIGRADE

         Hi David. About the game, I can't be a beta tester, but I just
       wanted to say good luck with the game. I hope it turns out winner
       and am looking forward to it's release!

         Btw, depending on how the sales turn out withing the next few
       months on the AT-306 machines, especially at Atlanta Fest, you
       might want to consider trying an MGR based version of the game,if
       you can get your hands on MGR or an AT-306.

         Btw, does anyone know if MGR is available for Intel machines?

         See Ya

         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 User's Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93368 20-AUG 23:44 General Information
     RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: THETAURUS (NR)


     Hi Chris. You could still do some C debugging if you could. I know you
are fair at debugging. Have you learned C yet?            ^ I mean, if you
would.

     I must say that I wouldn't be looking forward so much to development of
this game if it weren't for Kwindows buttons. Making hot spots or detecting
your own hot spots is so hard to create the rooms and test them. This way I
can see if the buttons are there and see that their working. Easily. Does
MGR have similar buttons?

     I'm sorry, but what is an AT-306. Am I really that out of touch? :)


    Dave


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93371 21-AUG 09:42 General Information
     RE: Alpha testers needed for FMV adventu (Re: Msg 93359)
     From: JIMDIXON     To: THETAURUS (NR)

Chris:
     Well, MGR seems to be available for Linux.  At least there's an MGR
directory on tsx-11.mit.edu and sunsite.unc.edu in their Linux directories.
So yes, if you want to run a Unix system, MGR is available for the Intel
machines.
                                                               James Dixon

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End of Thread.

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93335 18-AUG 22:52 General Information
     PC
     From: CLTUCKER     To: ALL

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET THE INFO TO RUN THE COCO3 ON THE PC?(G)
CL

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93338 19-AUG 17:39 OSK Applications
     GZip
     From: DOMM         To: ALL

Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK?

---Dom

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93340 19-AUG 21:40 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DOMM

   Don't think that I saw one for Level 2...  I just did a Ident
on my mm/1 for gzip.. 82466 bytes.  Don't know _if_ it can be
made to fit in the 64K block space...

   Plus, gzip wants a data size of 336K, and a stack of 28K.
I hope someone else can answer your question.

  John -


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93348 20-AUG 00:41 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93340)
     From: DOMM         To: JOHNBAER

John---

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll just forget about it then.

I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz"

Actually, I don't think I could have used this anyway.

Just curious. <G>


---Dom

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93349 20-AUG 11:21 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93348)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: DOMM


> I was trying to break down Alan Dekoks' file "gcc_6809.tar.gz"

  Well, let me know if you want this and I'll break it for you.
It would also help if you told me where the file is :)

  Later
  John-


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93353 20-AUG 12:24 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93338)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DOMM

 > Am I right in assuming that there is no GZip for LII, just for OSK?

As JOHNBAER pointed out, it appears that it might ber hard to get
GZip to fit into a 64-K address space.

Do you need GZip for any special purpose?  For dloads from chestnut,
etc?  Perhaps if you don't need to use it a big lot, just occasional
uses, if you don't have access to an OSK machine, you might be able to
download what you need, email it to an OSK user, and have it put in
lha or ZIP format.

BTW, you don't need GZip for files in zip format, either the OS9 files
or those created by PKZip, you need "plain" zip.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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93356 20-AUG 13:27 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DOMM

Also... on the FTP note... if you leave offthe ".gz" (or .Z) extension, most
(if not all) FTP servers will un-compress the file on the fly as it sends it
to you.
--
Paul

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93361 20-AUG 23:21 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93349)
     From: DOMM         To: JOHNBAER

John---

> ...let me know....I'll break it down...

Thanks, but I think this file is a bit much (size:484224)
(I don't think I can use it anyhow)
It's a cross compiler (C) I guess. I don't know anything about
it or about anything "C". Thats why I was looking at it.

If you want to check it out for yourself however:
   http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/interests/gcc_6809.tar.gz
    (just for the file)
 OR:
   http://www.physics.carleton.ca/~aland/  (then look for #16)

Thanks again for the offer!

---Dom



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93362 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93353)
     From: DOMM         To: DBREEDING

David---

> Do you need GZip for any special purpose...

This is the first time I had to check into it.
I suppose I'll be running into it again somewhere.

Thanks.

---Dom

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93363 20-AUG 23:22 OSK Applications
     RE: GZip (Re: Msg 93356)
     From: DOMM         To: MITHELEN

Paul---

> ...if you leave off the ".gz" ......most..servers will un-compress...

Thanks for the advice. I tried it on this file, however, and all I
got was a 161 byte file prepared. (484224 size file normally)

Sounds handy though.

Thanks.

---Dom

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End of Thread.

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93350 20-AUG 11:22 General Information
     Inet by Mail
     From: JOHNBAER     To: ALL

   For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc
by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database.
I see it's available now.

  John -


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93366 20-AUG 23:34 General Information
     RE: Inet by Mail (Re: Msg 93350)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOHNBAER (NR)

 > For those of you who want to know how to use FTP, Gopher, etc
 > by Mail, look for the file `inet_by_mail.lzh' in the database.
 > I see it's available now.

I got it.  Haven't looked at it yet, but expect it to be quite informative.

                         -- David Breeding --
       CompuServe : 72330,2051             Delphi :  DBREEDING
    *** Composed with InfoXpress/OSK Vr. 1.02 & VED Vr. 2.4.0  ***

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End of Thread.

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93358 20-AUG 21:16 General Information
     Conference Reminder
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL


          Augest 21, 1995     10:00 PM       Open Forum

         Tomorrow's conference will be another Open Forum, and hopefully
       it will be as good as last weeks. Last week Boisy discussed at
       length(while still only scratching the surface ;-) ), the features
       of the new OS9 based machine, the AT-306 which is now making it's
       way onto the OS-9 Market in the form of the MM/1B from Blackhawk
       and the WCP-306 from Whittman Computer Enterprises. Hopefully
       we'll be able to get a similar topic going to keep things
       interesting(Of course Boisy is always free to come back and let us
       in on what else he has learned since getting his machine...hint
       hint<Grin>

         Also, here's what's coming up in the next two weeks to come!

         Augest 28, 1995     10:00 PM       Happy Anniversary!

            Can you believe it?! OS-9 Late Night rounds it's first
          year, this month, and what a year it has been! Don't miss
          our anniversary get together, when we review the past year
          and some of the great conferences we've had, as well as what
          is planned for the upcoming year!

          September 4, 1995   10:00 PM       OS-9 UG VP of 6809

            Last time, we just scratched the surface. This month, Mike
          Rowen, the OS-9 Users' Group Vice President of 6809, returns
          to continue on ideas that were discussed last month. With so
          much to be done to keep the blood flowing in the OS-9
          community, you will need to become INVOLVED in any little
          way you can. This is a good opportunity to find out what YOU
          can do to help the UG, as well as a chance to enlighten us
          with your own ideas!

         See Ya
         Chris Perrault
         OS-9 User's Group
         Sourcebook Coordinator

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93360 20-AUG 21:22 Users Group
     Sourcebook User Form
     From: THETAURUS    To: ALL

  The following is going to be the Entry form for the OS-9 UG's Sourcebook
  . This is the form for users to send in and you can do so by sending
 it to be at my address "Thetaurus". Keep in mind, you do NOT have to be
 a member of the OS-9 Users' Group in order to have your name added, so
 if you haven't send your form in yet, now is the time to do it.

OS-9 Sourcebook Information Form
--------------------------------
  Name:
       ---------------------------------------------------------------
  Business:
           -----------------------------------------------------------
  Address:
          ------------------------------------------------------------
  City:                 State:                ZIP:
       ----------------       ---------------     --------------------
  Country:                 Telephone:(    )       -
          ----------------           ---------------------------------
  EMail Address:
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  Signature:                                      Date:     /    /
            ------------------------------------         DD   MM   YY

Would you like information on
joining the OS-9 Users Group?         o Already a Member!  o Yes  o No

Can this information be passed to OS-9 vendors?            o Yes  o No

Are you available to act as a volunteer for OS-9           o Yes  o No
projects from time to time?  This isn't a commitment.

Please indicate your area(s) of interest:

   o OS-9/6809      o OS-9/68000      o OS-9000

   o Programming    o Hardware          Other ________________________

You use OS-9 primarily for what purpose:

   o personal use   o industrial system     o both

Please describe briefly your OS-9 computer system(s):



Please describe briefly your computer and OS-9 experience:



Please describe your OS-9 interests (things you would like to see the
UG do, or see in the MOTD), or list any other questions or comments:





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