

#: 12763 S9/Utilities
    29-Oct-91  17:29:34
Sb: #12761-Undeleting Files
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Likewise the DED utility can be use to patch a file back into existence, but
one also has to understand the file structure really well, otherwise, well...
..you know... bam!!!

Lee



#: 12780 S9/Utilities
    31-Oct-91  06:56:06
Sb: #12744-#Undeleting Files
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

Its no consolation, but there is an undel utility that comes with the famous
(and equally unavailable) OS9 upgrade. If I remember correctly, it required
modifications to RBF, so it I don't think its _possible_ to implement one with
the current RBF, which clobbers some critical information when a file is
deleted.

Bill



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#: 12790 S9/Utilities
    31-Oct-91  23:10:42
Sb: #12780-Undeleting Files
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Another method of getting files back (yes, I deleted an entire directory of
source files with no backup one night) is to use a utility like DED to suck the
text off the bad disk onto a new one. What I did was to open the disk with the
deleted files on it (something like "ded /dd@") and then find the text files.
Then I opened an output file (make sure it's on a different disk!) and then I
just read the sectors and saved them out. Only took a few hours to undo the
work of a few seconds--but then what fun would life be otherwise.

#: 12791 S9/Utilities
    31-Oct-91  23:16:10
Sb: #12780-Undeleting Files
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

It won't help on my floppy-based system, but there may be a way to do it on
hard drive systems.  It would at minimum require a new Del command. Whenever a
file is deleted, a file is created/extended as appropriate in the /h0/SYS
directory that maintains a record of the file name, its LSN's, etc.--with
provisions to keep /h0/SYS/Delrecords from overwriting any of the new file.  An
Undelete utility would go to Delrecords and see if the location(s) have since
been re-allocated to something else.  If not, they are re-marked as used and
the directory is updated.  Alternatively, the dir entry can be removed but
nothing else changes (comparable to the file hiding utils in B&B's File System
Repack).  You can then use a Cleanup command to permanently erase a file and
release its sectors.  Either way the normal Del action has to be intercepted. 
I don't know enough about the file system to assess the viability of these
schemes--let alone implement them--they're just ideas.

#: 12765 S1/General Interest
    29-Oct-91  19:55:29
Sb: #12734-Disk format advice
Fm: Barry L. Bond 72235,1530
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Hi Ed!

     No, I don't have a UUCP link going.  I don't have a lot of things going
yet.  I've had much to deal with lately, and it has prevented me from doing a
lot on my system.  Besides, my system is not working in a stable enough manner
for me to have much motivation to develop things on it.  That is going to have
to change, though...

     I'm still on 2.3 of OSK.  I have 2.4 here, but I haven't upgraded because
I am still seeing some "misbehaving" that I'd like to work out while I'm still
using the same OS9 and utilities as I was used to on my old system. On
September 12, I sent Frank a message detailing some of these anomalies. As of
today, I have not heard any reply from him.  A month and a half and counting...

     Thank you for the disk format advice, Ed!!  I really appreciate it!

     Barry

#: 12766 S9/Utilities
    29-Oct-91  22:07:04
Sb: #Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: ALL

When converting OS-9 binary files to S-Record format, how do I determine
exactly what would be the correct address and Header Name to give Binex? I
presume Exbin will get all data it needs from the file it converts to binary.

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#: 12771 S9/Utilities
    30-Oct-91  09:01:55
Sb: #12766-#Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Eric -

No need.... it will default to acceptable values, which os9 will (well, exbin)
will ignore for the most part anyway.

Pete

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#: 12772 S9/Utilities
    30-Oct-91  09:51:41
Sb: #12771-#Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

I've not yet used eitther but that should change within a weeks' time; then I
may be using them regularly.  In the manual, they said that Binex requires an
absolute address even though OS-9 is normally postition-independent, and their
example has something like $100 given as the address.  So just pressing ENTER
at the 2 prompts will suffice then?  Exactly what are those specifications for
anyway?

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#: 12773 S9/Utilities
    30-Oct-91  14:10:54
Sb: #12772-#Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Exactly...

BINEX and EXBIN are os9 commands, but the format they work with (S Record) is
an ascii-fied binary form developed by Motorola for all kinds of uses (not
specifically os9).

The most common use was sending code over serial lines to EPROM burners, and
for loading code into target systems via ROM debugger routines.. primarily
developmental stuff. In those cases, absolute addressing may have been required
("this goes into the EPROM at offset $4000", etc.).

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#: 12776 S9/Utilities
    31-Oct-91  00:06:34
Sb: #12773-#Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Thanks for helping me with S-Records.  The way I intend to use them is to carry
binary files between different computers' disk systems, one of them being my
CoCo3.  They cannot directly read each other's disks but both can read and
write MS-DOS disks.  But the other system cannot presently import/export binary
files with MS-DOS disks.  I have found a S-Record util for the other system, so
when sending binary files to my CoCo3, I'll make an S-Record representation,
export to DOS, take the disk to the CoCo3, pcdos -get /d1 binfile.sr
/r0/binfile.sr, and exbin /r0/binfile.sr.  DOS is acting as the intermediary
link.  This may seem rather cumbersome, but considering all the hours I've been
transferring back and forth via comm programs at 2400bps, even a cumbersome
disk exchange is a pleasant change.



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#: 12784 S9/Utilities
    31-Oct-91  15:05:19
Sb: #12776-Using Binex/Exbin
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich-


You might be better off with 'uuencode' and 'uudecode'. These are utilities
that were originally developed for moving binary unix files over ascii based
mail links. They (if memory serves) are fairly effecient in that they do a 3 to
4 bit expansion.

Pete

#: 12767 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Oct-91  22:37:59
Sb: #3 in 1 printer driver
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: All

I have a tiny problem which I have ignored for a while now, but in talking to a
friend (Bob van der Poel) on the phone I discovered that it may have been a
topic of conversation while I was off CIS for about a year. The problem is that
I now have a Disto SC II (my older SC I is still in use on another CoCo 3 here)
and run my printer off the parallel port of the newer 3 in 1 board.

This port is addressed differently than the earlier one (on the 2 in 1 board,
remember them?) so uses a different driver. The problem is that the printer
occasionally gets line feeds (or CR's; who knows) when I am doing some
nonprinter related OS9 operation. Mostly I just leave the thing off line, but I
occasionally forget and lose my top-of-form.

So, I am told that something along these lines was discussed here some time ago
and a fix was found. Something to do with the version of GIME, Bob thinks. Can
anyone remember? Is there a fix? If so, what's it called and is it posted?
Thanks in advance.

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#: 12769 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Oct-91  00:46:44
Sb: #12767-#3 in 1 printer driver
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

Ian - yes, there was discussion here (and I'm almost positive a fix was found).
But I can't remember what it was, myself.  Or whether it was hard/software, or
a combo.

Hope someone remembers!

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#: 12789 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-91  22:48:35
Sb: #12769-#3 in 1 printer driver
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Ok Kev, I found paral.ar in dl10 which is a couple of Ipatch files with no
documentation. However, the description seemed to fit so I threw caution to the
winds and patched PARALLEL. Seems to work so far; no spurious CR's or LF's or
whatever.

The only remaining problem is my curiosity; I wonder what was happening and how
it was fixed? Guess I'll disassemble the old and new and take a look.

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#: 12811 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Nov-91  10:27:08
Sb: #12789-3 in 1 printer driver
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762

Ian,

Mark Griffith did that patch. Leave him a note. I'm sure he'd be happy to share
the details. His ppn is [76070,41].

Steve

#: 12770 S3/Languages
    30-Oct-91  04:58:52
Sb: #12756-#Old Computer Books
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)


 Paul,

 From your message to Brother Jeremy may I assume you live in the Phila.
 area?  Are you a member of PACS?  And do you know we have a very active
 OS-9 group?  We meet the first Saturday of the month (next meeting
 this coming Saturday) in Horsham.  If you're interested, give me a
 call at 302-378-2555.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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#: 12786 S3/Languages
    31-Oct-91  16:55:03
Sb: #12770-Old Computer Books
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

     Actually I live in Aberdeen NJ which is about an hour from Philly.

#: 12775 S3/Languages
    30-Oct-91  23:33:38
Sb: Thank you
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Paul Tesch 73500,3703 (X)

Dear Paul: I received the book "6809 Assembly Language Programming By
Leventhal" which you so kindly sent. I was so thrilled when I opened the
package. I must confess
 it looks a bit overwhelming, but it is nice to know that if I need help, there
 are so many wonderful people out there who are willing to help. With all best
wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW

#: 12777 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-91  03:18:42
Sb: #12497-A New Copy/Move utility
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)

I got an upgraded copy of 'cp' and it works really great! OS9 really needs
stuff like that. Now all we need is a real fast file system repacking program
of some sort. I have the one from Burke & Burke that does a good job, but takes
two days to get almost done repacking my 47 HD! I can't afford that because I
run a BBS that is online 24 hrs a day. Its faster for me to just reformat and
copy everything back to the hard drive. Then  its an all day job!


p.s. That's a 47 meg HD....



#: 12778 S4/MIDI and Music
    31-Oct-91  03:21:40
Sb: #12502-Bad Download
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X)

Does the Tiger card increase the clock speed or just act as a coprocessor?
Also, how compatible is the RSDOS stuff on the TC9? Will the RSDOS stuff run
even with the Tiger card installed?

#: 12779 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    31-Oct-91  04:52:30
Sb: Wild Weather
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Wayne 76703,376

Wow.  Massachusetts is getting busted by winds, and I see Dallas got loads of
rain.  How's the puddles down there?

#: 12782 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-91  14:18:50
Sb: #12751-#Disk Controller Needed
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Okay, I'll send it out tomorrow.  No charge.

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#: 12788 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-91  21:48:26
Sb: #12782-#Disk Controller Needed
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

David,

Geee....thanks!  Are you sure you don't need any money?

Mark

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#: 12794 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  10:55:22
Sb: #12788-Disk Controller Needed
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

No, just send it back if you find you no longer need it.

#: 12783 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-Oct-91  14:20:01
Sb: #12753-Hard Ware
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Thanks!

#: 12785 S7/Telecommunications
    31-Oct-91  16:53:07
Sb: #12760-#Quick-B Problems
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

    I've had the irq hack installed for quite some time and left it installed
after switching to SACIA. Is this recommended?
    Also new on the system are a Disto No-halt floppy controller and a Burke &
Burke XT hard drive system.
    One thing I will try is changing the driver CC3Disk for the no-halt
controller as it came with two: an interrupt driven driver and a driver that
works by sleeping. I have only tried the sleep one as it was easier to install.
I have another problem that I am trying to get rid of: random quick flashes of
horizontal color bars on my monitor during disk accesses.
                      Paul

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#: 12792 S7/Telecommunications
    31-Oct-91  23:22:17
Sb: #12785-Quick-B Problems
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413

Those flashes may be Radio Frequency Interference.  If RFI is actually present,
try moving the drives and monitor further apart.  Also try better shielded
cable between the CoCo and the drives (or add shielding with aluminum foil
around the cable).  A metal drive case ought not need additional shielding but
you can always try.  One other thing to try is connecting the monitor's power
cable and the drives' power cable into separate circuits as interference can be
transmitted through your home's electrical system. For more info, you might
want to GO CEFORUM.

#: 12806 S7/Telecommunications
    02-Nov-91  10:05:46
Sb: #12785-Quick-B Problems
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413

Wow ... you've been busy with the new stuff. I'd start there first ... your
ideas on the CC3DISK driver sounds like a natural place to begin.

I doubt the B&B stuff is causing the problems ... I've been using one for
years.

Re: the random color bars ... are we talking 'sparklies?' If so, nothing much
to worry about. They seem to be timing related. Some of us have it some don't.
Infact, I used to have a lot of it and with the addition of different modules,
their intensity is a lot lighter now.

Steve

#: 12787 S3/Languages
    31-Oct-91  19:25:34
Sb: #12749-#OS9 Assembly
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X)

 >> You can also call Motorola and ask for their free 6809 software book!

Do you happen to know if they have a 680x0 book too (and maybe a phone #?).
Also, does anyone know if Synetics has literature avail on the 68070 and how
one might get a hold of it?

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#: 12793 S3/Languages
    01-Nov-91  10:04:47
Sb: #12787-OS9 Assembly
Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Can't remember the phone number of Signetics, but it is in the 408 area code.

If you call them, and request data sheets and specs on the 68070 and the VSC
chip, they'll priority mail to you some really good booklets on the chips.

Also, contact Microware, and for $10 (for S&H, I assume), they'll send you out
the OS9 source book, a couple of issues of their Pipelines Magazine, and some
other stuff about OS9.

Both what Signetics sends, and what Microware sends, are excellent reading
material - well worth the phone-call-investment, and S&H charges that MW
charges.

jim Sutemeier

#: 12812 S3/Languages
    02-Nov-91  10:47:57
Sb: #12787-OS9 Assembly
Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203

Yes Motorola should, and as far as Signetics goes, here is their number:
    (408) 991-2000

Just ask for the User Manual for the 68070 (it is two parts).  Part 1 is for
Hardware and Part 2 is for Software.  They are free!!!!

Take care.

Bert Schneider

#: 12795 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  14:55:55
Sb: #COCO3 OS9 PROBLEM
Fm: Jamie Jagodzinski 75300,1067
To: ALL

I just bought a coco3 and os9 level 2.  When I try to boot os9 I get the
message "OS9 BOOT FAILED"

[DI also have disk basic 1.0 and a multi-pak.  No help from Radio Shack. If you
have ANY possible solutions, please leave mail.

THANKS, JAMIE

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#: 12796 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  18:41:07
Sb: #12795-COCO3 OS9 PROBLEM
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jamie Jagodzinski 75300,1067 (X)

Jamie -

Sometimes this can be related to disk drive speed (or so the manuals said). Can
you verify that your disk drive is clean and up to speed? There should be some
utilities in the COCO Forum for this.

Pete

#: 12798 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  20:00:04
Sb: #12795-COCO3 OS9 PROBLEM
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Jamie Jagodzinski 75300,1067 (X)

If you have BASIC 1.0, you are probably using a BASIC program you were
instructed to type in and then SAVE"*".  To boot OS-9 you type RUN"*". If this
is indeed the case, LOAD"*" and LIST it.  Check the listing against the one
printed in the book very carefully, and fix any errors you may discover.  If
that fails, are you sure you have a good OS-9 disk?  See if you can get another
copy and try to boot it.

#: 12797 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Nov-91  19:27:00
Sb: #Termcap and Basic
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

Has any thought been given to termcap usage with Basic programs? I can see lots
of new OSK folks writing neat little things with Basic and, because there is no
termcap for Basic, ending up hardcoding display codes--and that would be a real
shame. I've given the subject a fair amount of thought and I really don't see a
easy way to use termcap from Basic (mainly because of a lack of static and
global storage--I could give more on this if there is interest), besides, a lot
of the things people will be doing will involve window codes, etc. which
termcap doesn't support. So, as an alternative, I suggest that standard
interfaces be set up. Each one of these would be written for a specific
terminal, but they would all expect the same params (and they'd be Basic
procedures, even though they need not be written in Basic). For K-windows we
might have a module called "basic_kcurses", for vt100 "basic_vtcurses", etc.
Before doing any terminal output the program could decide which interface to
use (perhaps from the TERM shell variable) and then pass this name around to
the routines which need it. To set the cursor you'd do something like "RUN
GFXPROC(path,"gotoxy",x,y)". GFXPROC would be a variable which could be
"basic_kcurses" or whatever. This is just a suggestion! But we better get
together and set some "standards". Also, I'd appreciate it if someone would
start similar threads on other services--that way everyone will have a change
to become involved.

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#: 12801 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Nov-91  20:36:30
Sb: #12797-Termcap and Basic
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203

Actually, you've mentioned previously the possibility of allocating memory on
the fly.  This seems like the best bet to me.

The first thing the program would run each time would be RUN TERMCAP("Init")
oops I mean RUN Termcap("Init",ADDR(storage))... <grin>.  Then each call would
also pass the same storage pointer.

The neat thing is, a program could actually talk to several different types of
terminals at once (!) by simply calling the Init routine with different storage
parms.

The other calls would be normal.. RUN Termcap("InsertLine",ADDR(storage)) and
so on.

BTW, it turns out that Basic/68K does pass the environment onto subprograms, so
one way to get env vars would be to fork a printenv process that was piped back
in for reading.

#: 12799 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Nov-91  20:02:40
Sb: #TOPS programs
Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
To: all

Does anyone know how the mmon, watch and logon commands work from the TOPS
archives??

In an attempt to get away from MW's tsmon, (kinda 'hinckey'), I have tried
using "mmon /t1&", "mmon -options /t1&" and all the different combinations that
I could think of.

The result was that a procs of the system would show that mmon was NOT active.

So, I tried 'watch'.....at least that stayed active....but wouldn't respond to
a call in.

logon, of course, according to the help file, is supposed to be called from
mmon (if I can ever get it to recognize /t1)

Anyone out there have any luck with these modules??

Thanks

jim Sutemeier



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#: 12808 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Nov-91  10:13:02
Sb: #12799-TOPS programs
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754

Jim,

Is there a 'line' option in mmon? Kind like the changes Mark just put into
Sterm where you must specify the modem line you want with an '-l' option (Sterm
-l /t5).

Just a thought .... I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about!  :-)

BTW ... an update on the PROCS output issue we were taling about a few days
ago. Seems as if reseting the clock corrected the problem for a short period of
time only ...  after a couple of days of uninterupted running, we're back to
the same ol' stuff.

Did Frank ever get back to you over on Delphi about this?

Steve

#: 12800 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  20:32:29
Sb: #CoCo 3 terminal
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: ALL

I'm attempting to run another COCO 3 as a terminal to my other 3, under OS-9
L2.

I do the tsmon /t2& command, which runs perfectly, I log on with my terminal
and I can run all the OS-9 commands & utils fine. However, how do I go about
running things like Rogue, Flight Simulator II, or any other OS-9 programs?
Nothing appears to happen when I attempt it. Do I need to be running OS-9 on my
terminal also??

Right now, I running Ultimaterm on my terminal.

How do I go about setting this up correctly??  Any help would be appreciated!!!

Thanks,

Bob



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#: 12802 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Nov-91  20:39:40
Sb: #12800-CoCo 3 terminal
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544

Bob - most of those programs either use VDG screens (direct access), or rely
somewhere on get/setstat calls which the serial driver doesn't know how to
process (and really can't).

If you can find a program which only uses escape codes for output, does no
get/setstt calls for windows, and doesn't use the mouse... then that will work.
But there are not many (any?) of those.  - kev

#: 12803 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    01-Nov-91  20:56:00
Sb: #MM/1 AND NY ZOOM MODEM
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: Kevin Darling

Kevin:

Hi, I found out that it works (my modem with sterm on the MM/1)

If when I type in the date I press the SHIFT 8 and DO NOT get the * then the
modem will not echo back to the screen.

The keyboard does not get iniz right some times.

Keith

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#: 12805 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Nov-91  05:21:27
Sb: #12803-MM/1 AND NY ZOOM MODEM
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413

Keith,

Wow.  That's weird!  (Halloween sounds in background)

Hmm.  If you have a VOM, you might check the power lines and what the t0 lines
are like on each power-up situation.  Just a thought.

thx for the update!

#: 12804 S1/General Interest
    02-Nov-91  04:43:55
Sb: #INTERNET
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: steve wegert

 Steve,


 What is the correct address for the CoCoList on Internet?
 I gather it is >INTERNET:???????

 Thanks for your help.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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#: 12807 S1/General Interest
    02-Nov-91  10:11:18
Sb: #12804-INTERNET
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Ed -

Believe that 's correct. To be sure, best bet is to type HELP when you get in
to cmail. There's a separate blurb on 'internet'.

Pete

#: 12809 S1/General Interest
    02-Nov-91  10:15:28
Sb: #12804-INTERNET
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Hang on Ed .... got the darn thing in my CIS address book so I never have to
rememer it.

Back in a flash!

Steve

#: 12810 S1/General Interest
    02-Nov-91  10:21:20
Sb: #12804-INTERNET
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Here you go Ed:

   5 CoCo List            >INTERNET: COCO@PUCC.Princeton.EDU
  12 Listserv             >INTERNET: LISTSERV@PUCC.Princeton.EDU


Use the "CoCo List" address to post messages. Anything sent to that address
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Steve

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