

#: 10569 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-May-91  22:34:29
Sb: #10565-Tsmon
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob -

I had written up some patches for TSMON/LOGIN for using LI's under LII some
time ago (in fact, I believe they were published in Kevin Darlings INSIDE OS9
LII book). They may be in DL10 or DL9. If not, SOMEONE will have access to
them.

Pete

#: 10572 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  09:01:34
Sb: #10565-Tsmon
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

Mark Griffith has posted a robust replacement of tsmon and login for his UUCp
package. It's in LIB 8. Look for LOGIN.AR under Mark's PPN [76070,41].

Steve

#: 10570 S1/General Interest
    03-May-91  22:36:04
Sb: #10567-X10 source AR
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Bob -

I wonder if it's stuff that Carl K. took from my 6809 stuff and ported to 68k?

Pete

P.S. X10ar2.ar has been located (thanks Bill!) and re-uploaded to DL6.



#: 10571 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  00:42:38
Sb: #disk partitions
Fm: Bill Irwin 74730,24
To: all

Some time ago I saw a product advertised that allow you to use part of a hard
drive for basic and part for OS9.  I don't remember the name of the product or
the company. Does anyone know of such a product.

I am using shell+ 2.1 and I divided my CMDS directory into three parts. After
defining extra paths the these directories everthing runs fine, except icannot
load commands from these directories without using full path list.  Does anyone
know of a way around this, such as a LOAD command that makes use of the path
list provided by shell+?

                                    thank
                                    Bill Irwin

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#: 10579 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  20:49:34
Sb: #10571-#disk partitions
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bill Irwin 74730,24 (X)

One such product is Hyper-I/O from Burke&Burke.

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#: 10580 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  22:08:44
Sb: #10579-disk partitions
Fm: Bill Irwin 74730,24
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Thanks for the information.

                Bill

#: 10593 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-May-91  09:34:48
Sb: #10571-disk partitions
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bill Irwin 74730,24 (X)

Hyper I/O from Burke and Burke will allow OS9/RS-DOS partitioning, but it won't
do any thing for the pathing problem that you mentioned.  (Not that I'm aware
of anyway.)

Lee



#: 10573 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  11:26:28
Sb: #10506-#Help with Shell+!
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Well, here's how I have it in my program. Its after I close all paths that I
have open. The syntax was SHELL "tmode echo" or SHELL "tmode -echo" at the
beginning of the program. I had better results when I set it as a varible
first. e.g. b$="tmode echo"\ SHELL b$
 After the 201 error would occur, then it went into debug mode and scroll like
this:

 D:what?
 D:what?
 D:what?

The only way I could make it quit was to turn off the computer and reboot.
Needless to say, I would sometimes have to rewrite something
 that I had programmed in. What a pain! I started saving everything before I
would test run it from then on. Thanks for the help. :-)



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#: 10576 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  13:28:57
Sb: #10573-#Help with Shell+!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)

Hmmmm.  Sounds like you managed to close the standard paths, so that poor old
BASIC09 would try to read a command in debug mode and fail.  Check the places
in your code where you explicitly close paths, and make sure you have the path
numbers you intend to close in the variables that appear after the # in the
CLOSE command.

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#: 10953 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  03:28:54
Sb: #10576-Help with Shell+!
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I checked all my code and the path varibles where correct. It just seemed to
get stuck in a B:What? loop every once in a while. It would be all right after
I rebooted. I t got caught in that loop if I had been multitasking alot..it was
wierd...

#: 10574 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  13:08:04
Sb: #10558-#FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

I have found the FD500 series of power supplies very marginal. I have two
half-height drives hooked to mine and one day the transformer smoked out
(overloaded) Since then I replaced it (using two larger transformers a 18V and
a 12V 2 amp each from RS) for the two regulators and bought the 1" micro fan
from them. Using a small dropping resistor to quiet the fan (plus you

don't need all the windflow) it runs quiet and cool now. The transformers are
outside the case now.

I dunno one of these days I think ill just get a big switching power supply and
run all my drives from it and eliminate the hassles (plus save plus in my
strip!)

Mike



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#: 10577 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  14:42:04
Sb: #10574-#FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)

What I am starting to think of doing is designing my own power supply and
making it completely external.  I will then remove the present AC cord and put
in its place a new cable for power which will terminate where the present
supply does.  I'm thinking of designing so I have total control over the size
of the transformer, the filter capacitor and/or inductor, and the degree of
regulation.  Just one other problem tho:  I still have some warranty time which
I would rather not kill; RS has told me that installing a second drive will not
void it, after all, the manual has step-by-step instructions

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#: 10583 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  11:38:18
Sb: #10577-#FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Well you could try the second drive to see if the power supply gives you
problems. If you order the drive from them it should include the fan but
probably the best bet is to buy the drive third party and save some $$$.

The two connectors are already in there. just a matter of plugging it in and
your set. One word of caution. the FD502's sometimes don't turn the motors on
without a drive select. I don't know if they corrected the problem but if your
adding a second drive you must check for this. Simply do a dir1 (in rsdos) and
look and see if drive 0 motor is spinning. then do a dir0 and look at drive1's
motor.

Mike

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#: 10591 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  21:05:18
Sb: #10583-#FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)

I'm not about to pay $180 for a 360K disk drive, so I have already gone
third-party.  In fact, I was supposed to have gotten that drive five days ago.

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#: 10885 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-May-91  09:54:33
Sb: #10591-FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

don't blame ya. 360K drives can be found cheaper in many places. Rainbow to
start. and computer shopper.

Mike

#: 10588 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  20:07:22
Sb: #10470-FD502 2nd Drive
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

A note from the incautious side- I added a TEAC 55B to my FD-501 about three
years ago.
 No problems yet, although it needed a new connector crimped on, since the
TEAC's slot was on the wrong side and Tandys ribbon
 couldn't reach. Don't know if they changed the power supply, but it
 couldn't get much cheaper. Good luck with the upgrade:-)
                Rick Ulland 70540,3305

#: 10575 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-May-91  13:12:39
Sb: #CoCo1 problem
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: all

I have a weird question. I have an old CoCo1 (F-board) and it runs fine except
with a disk controller. Rom paks work and basic works fine but plugging in a
known good controller causes it to show garbage on the screen and gives the
appearance that the controller is zapped! but taking the controller and
plugging it into another machine it works fine.

Any idea which chip in the CoCo could be bad? (has to be the machine) I can't
locate my old service manuals for the CoCo1.

The controllers used for the test was a FD502 controller, Sardis, and a hard
drive specilist. none work in the CoCo1 but all work in other machines just
fine.

Mike

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#: 10581 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  00:55:56
Sb: #10575-#CoCo1 problem
Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
To: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715 (X)

Sounds like there's something fried in the 6883 SAM chip, Mike.  It's the
interface between the 6809 and the Disk controller... and some of the ports are
used only for the disk timing, which wouldn't be used on a ROMPack.

Wayne

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#: 10584 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  11:40:08
Sb: #10581-CoCo1 problem
Fm: Mike Guzzi 76576,2715
To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)

ok ill try to replace the SAM chip. I just misplaced my coco1 service manuals
and wanted to get this mach8ine running as a test machine.

Thanks for the hint

Mike

#: 10582 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    05-May-91  03:38:39
Sb: RiBBS 2.0 help
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X)

Well, as I said, changing colors shouldn't cause an error #203 in menuedit. At
this point I would suggest making sure the modules are merged as described in
the docs, and of course make sure the execution biits are set. You might also
check and make sure the path nam is correct in option 1 of Rconfig. The path to
the menus should be a path to a directory. I would hate to tell you to start
from scratch, but even I had to do this a time or two. But after I got the
first version of RiBBS running, I had no problems installing the late version.
So go back and check your work, and let me know the results in detail. I do
check in here about once a week, so feel free to ask for help, since there
doesn't seem to be a node that carries the RiBBS echo in your area. There are a
few a state away, however. If you should be a member of Delphi, there are some
RiBBS sysops that get together there on Saturday Evenings. Warren Hrach also
puts together a RiBBS to Go package, with RiBBS already set up ready to run on
about 5 floppies. You can contact him at his BBS, Ocean Beach (1-619-224-4878
300/1200/2400 baud)



#: 10585 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  15:09:56
Sb: #10460-#GONE!
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)

Thanks Mike.  I just got the game a couple of weeks ago (at $4.95! I guess R.S.
is really giving up on the Coco) and I've made it to rift 20, but I can't seem
to whip the last nasty. Help, anybody?
                                                            Bruce

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#: 10586 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  16:57:07
Sb: #10585-#GONE!
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X)

I think you have to take out the last nasty with a bomb.




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#: 10685 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  20:56:52
Sb: #10586-#GONE!
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)

Thanks Mike. I didn't run accross any bomb (that I recogmized) in the modules.
I guess I'll replay them and try to find one.
                                                               Bruce

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#: 10695 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  07:44:31
Sb: #10685-#GONE!
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X)

As I recall, the "bombs" look like old time stamp-pad stamps. Good luck!




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#: 10795 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  23:04:08
Sb: #10695-GONE!
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)

Thanks! I've seen those! Watch out Nasties!
  By the way, you really get around. I couldn't help but notice your name on
the MIDI forum (I'm working on getting something together in that line.
                                                                Bruce

#: 10587 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  17:11:20
Sb: #hardware I/O
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Rick Ulland

 Remember all the DECB I/O boards mapped to $FF40-$FF47? Is there any way to do
this under OS9?
 I'm guessing to switch slots(how) to PEEK/POKE, but the system will be multi
at the time.
 Thanks,
         Rick Ulland
         70549,3305



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#: 10630 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  14:38:45
Sb: #10587-#hardware I/O
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick - sorry for delay in response.  Yes, you'd just poke the slot switch,
but in order to stay out of each other's way, driver programmers adopted a
plan back in early 1988 for this.  Here's an old copy:


                    Driver Coordination Specs
                    =========================

1. Drivers that change the SCS slot should set D.DMAReq so that the floppy
   driver will know to hold off motor shutdown. Custom floppy controllers
   may not have to do this, but other drivers should if the production 
   CC3Disk and it's clones might be used in a system.

2. A floppy driver may assume at all times (except in its IRQ entry if used)
   that the MPI slot has been reset to the floppy controller. Again,
   this is for backward compatibility with CC3Disk.

3. Therefore, any driver that changes SCS in normal operation should:

    set D.DMAReq
    save the old slot
    set new slot
    do cmd setup code
    reset old slot
    clear D.DMAReq

3b. If you F$Sleep, reset the slot to the floppy first of course.

4. IRQ routines should:

    save the old slot
    set new slot
    do irq code
    reset old slot

5. Interrupt-driven devices that rely on GIME CART irq's should toggle the
   enable bit to allow use of multiple irq-driven devices either on the
   same main irq slot, or with MPI's that have all CARTs tied together.
   Example code in your interrupt routine (in addition to #4 above):

    ....            clear source device interrupt
    ldb <D.IRQS     let Clock know
    andb #^$01        you've handled the
    stb <D.IRQS       CART interrupt
    lda <D.IRQENR   get enable byte
    tfr a,b     
    anda #^$01      drop CART bit
    sta >$FF92      clear enable
    stb >$FF92      reset enable

6. If you don't use or set the CTS (slot for interrupt), be sure to use
   a mask algorithm to leave it as-is when you switch slots, so that
   interrupts from another device (like the RS232 pak) may get through
   while your code is running normally.

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#: 10798 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  00:19:50
Sb: #10630-#hardware I/O
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks for the info. Don't know when I can use it, since I'm still unable to
bag the elusive DevPak.
  I'm wanting to put CoCo,disk drive, and all into a little red wagon and teach
it to navigate itself,so I still have a *bear* oof a hardware problem
shock-proofing a multi-pak CoCo anyway. So far I can't even keep DECB up past a
bump or two, and bumping into things seems to be the rule right now.Mebbe I'll
get a BIG ROLL of solder...
                                              Rick



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#: 10799 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  00:57:06
Sb: #10798-hardware I/O
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick - seems to me that some MPIs sat a little higher than the coco-3, and that
causes some problems.   Yeah, I hate it when I jiggle the MPI by accident,
also!  Perhaps you could buy/make one of those MPI holder thingies: it's a
plastic piece that fits under both and holds them together.

Altho actually, about once a month I *have* to wiggle the MPI to "clean" up the
connectors a bit ;-)

#: 10589 S1/General Interest
    05-May-91  20:11:42
Sb: #10483-#my articles
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

 I'm new to the service and not very agile. Could you tell me where to find
these articles?
 Very interested esp. in CoCo bugs. Thanx,
   Rick Ulland 70540,3305

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#: 10649 S1/General Interest
    11-May-91  22:26:36
Sb: #10589-#my articles
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)


Hi Rick,

Lessee the quickest way to scan for my files would be to use the following
command while in any particular LIBrary:

   BRO *.*[76476,464]

Just like that.  That'll show you everything I've uploaded with my CIS ID.

The articles are spread around in different libraries since they cover
different topics, some CoCo-specific, some generic.  I have some files in LIB 2
Tutorial, LIB 4 MIDI, LIB 7 Telecom, LIB 9 Utilities, and of course LIB 10
OS9/CoCo.

I've uploaded these same files to Delphi (and GEnie I *think*) so it might be
cheaper to call those places and get these files if you'd rather.  (I *wish*
the OS9 Users Group would consider "moving" to a cheaper place to "live".)

Lemme know what ya think!  -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



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#: 10663 S1/General Interest
    13-May-91  06:44:42
Sb: #10649-my articles
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul,
   Just for your info...another (shorter) way is:
   s [76476,464]

   But then we're talking just a couple of keystrokes, eh? <grin>

   Dan

#: 10590 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-May-91  20:49:49
Sb: #10568-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kev,

I dl'd LOGIN2.PAT from lib 10 as you suggested. The only problem is that the
patch is in the DEBUG format. I don't have DEBUG, but I do have MODPATCH of
course, AND also dEd from these libraries. With dEd I can change any value in
any module.

Can you tell me how I read the DEBUG commands and how I can apply them to
either MODPATCH or dEd???

I understand that for example   =49 means to change the value to 49, but I'm
confused about things like   . .+52  what does that mean? I'm just NOT familiar
with DEBUG!

Thanx Kev!

   Bob



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#: 10592 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-May-91  04:20:24
Sb: #10590-TSMON
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

I think under debug, a ". .+$xx" means to go forward xx bytes from the last set
position.  Which in the case of Pete's file, is always from the last "l" for
"link" command.  Each "=" after that goes forward one address.

So, say one section has:

 l modulename
 . .+45
 = dd
 = ff

You would translate that under Modpatch to be:

 l modulename (unless already done)
 c 0045 00 dd
 c 0046 00 ff

Actually, I don't know if modpatch will do those changes if the old byte
doesn't match.  Hmm.  So you might need to dump or ded the module and see what
the old bytes at those offsets were first (oops.. you said you had dEd, so no
problem... just go to that offset(s) and change them!).
 - kev



#: 10594 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-May-91  12:54:28
Sb: #10590-#TSMON
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob -

The syntax '. .+52' translates literally to:

 Set the current location pointer to the value of the current location pointer
+52.

Keeping a list of what the offsets translate to, you could probably:

    1) Use dEd to modify it (use a copy!)

    2) Write a quick C or B09 program to layer in those
       changes at the appropriate file offsets.

Pete

P.S. Or you could get someone with DEBUG to make the changes for you.

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#: 10595 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-May-91  18:56:01
Sb: #10594-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

I still have a couple of problems. First, the first changes you make are right
in the message that LOGIN prints- "Password?"  Somehow I don't think that is
what you intended. Secondly, the last change is at
 .+49B , that is a problem because the LOGIN file I have is only 3E8 long.
Third, you  l login  quite a few times. If the next offset is  . .+71 is that
+71 from the last change or +71 from the beginning?

I have a feeling that something is drastically wrong here. Any guidance would
be gratefully appreciated!!!

Bob



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#: 10596 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-May-91  19:05:50
Sb: #10595-#TSMON
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Sounds as if you have a different login than the one the patch applies to. I
don't recall, but it probably applies to LI V 2.00's Login.

The purpose of performing multiple 'l login's is to reset the current position
pointer to the beginning of the module so I can deal with absolute offsets
(rather than having to compute the difference between two offsets).

Pete

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#: 10610 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-May-91  18:30:07
Sb: #10596-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

OK Pete,

That is what I was afraid of. So  if my login was the same one that your patch
was for, then I would be able to use dEd and use the
 .+xx as offsets from the beginning of the module. That's what I thought in the
beginning. What confused me was the last change
 .+49b  MY login is only 3e8 long !!  MUST be the wrong one.

Any idea where I could get one that works? I tried a couple of the replacements
here on OS-9 libraries...NONE of them worked at all.

If only I knew someone with a Dev Pak  <grin>!!

Bob



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#: 10621 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-May-91  09:11:57
Sb: #10610-#TSMON
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Do you have a LII box? Have you considered MTSMON? It's a multiple TSMON/LOGIN
that won't create a new process for every tty line and therefore conserves
precious system space (i.e. no allocation of 512 byte process descriptors for
each). It's more complex than using Tsmon/Login, and you may have to make some
system chnages (password file format, add a few files). Bill Dickhaus took the
generic LII version and COCOfied it. You may wanto to give him a jingle.

Another thought is with LII's being sold off cheaply ($10) these days, perhaps
the DEV KIT is being sold off as well?

In the meantime, try to find a copy of the original TSMON for LI v 2.00.

Pete

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#: 10623 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-May-91  18:14:12
Sb: #10621-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

I thought of getting a DEV KIT cheaply, also. However, finding one is like
"hens' teeth" as the saying goes, virtually impossible to find. The TSMON/Login
I have was from a Level One V. 1.01.00, probably why the file is different?

If you're sure that your patch works on the Level One V. 2.00.00, I'll stop by
a RS this weekend and pick one up for $9.95, it would seem to be the easiest
way - IF you're sure it'll work :-)

Thanx a lot!

    Bob



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#: 10627 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  01:35:29
Sb: #10623-#TSMON
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob -

Better confirm with Kevin on the module's contents.... I haven't seen a coco in
over 4 years....

Pete

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#: 10634 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  19:11:32
Sb: #10627-TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Thanx Pete,

I'll se what Kevin has to say!

Bob



#: 10629 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  01:50:18
Sb: #10623-#TSMON
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob - I can't confirm it, but probably worthwhile to get the L-I 2.0 kit if
your dealer has one, anyway.  Offer him $2 or something, since L-II has been
going for $10 lately ;-).

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#: 10635 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  19:13:19
Sb: #10629-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kev,

I checked around for L-1 2.0 but all the RS around here seem to have V 1.01.00
only. Oh well...

Bob



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#: 10656 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-May-91  12:50:46
Sb: #10635-#TSMON
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

~ I've got a slightly dog-eared copy of the Level I, version 2.00.00 upgrade
package that you can have for $5.00 plus postage.  It consists of a 1/4" thick,
(or so), manual, which explains the "new" commands which it contained, along
with 1 or 2 disks.  Leave an address in email if you're interested.

I didn't see the start of the thread, so I'm not sure why you're looking for
2.00.00.  This upgrade package does require that you already have OS9 Level I
and it's docs.

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#: 10658 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-May-91  17:57:57
Sb: #10656-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)

Chris,

Could you check that 1/4" manual and see if the upgrade affected the LOGIN
command? If so, how was it changed? That is why I'm looking for V 2.00.00,
because a patch on these libraries will suppoesedly patch it to work with OS-9
Level Two.

Thanx

  Bob



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#: 10666 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-May-91  17:28:07
Sb: #10658-#TSMON
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

I know for a fact that the patch for login works on ONE of the original Tandy
logins.  I can also include a know-to-be-good copy of a level II login, if
you'd like.

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#: 10684 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  18:49:58
Sb: #10666-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)

Chris,

Thank you for the offer, but I managed to get LOGIN working correctly
(FINALLY)!

I appreciate your response and it would have been my only way out, IF I didn't
get it working.

Thanx again!

    Bob



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#: 10719 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  19:34:18
Sb: #10684-TSMON
Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Glad you got everything working, Bob!

#: 10631 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  16:13:15
Sb: #10610-#TSMON
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

I've used most, if not all, of the TSMON replacements (at least for testing)
that are in the DLs here.  As I recall, some of them use different names for
the "password" file than does the stock version.  Also, when you invoke TSMON
(any version that allegedly works), you usually have to be pointing to the ROOT
directory, so that TSMON (LOGIN actually) can get access to the SYS directory,
where the "password" files.
  Also, concerning the "password" file, even if the replacement TSMON/LOGIN
programs use the same name, often the format of the entries within the
"password" files vary from program to program.

You can start TSMON from any directory as long as (for LOGIN) you have a SYS
directory nested in whatever directory you're using as the current data
directory when you initiate TSMON /Tx&.

Lee



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#: 10633 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-May-91  19:10:19
Sb: #10631-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Lee,

Which TSMON replacement (available here) do you recommend? Which one seems to
work the best (or at all :-))  I curse Tandy (what else is new?) for not
putting it in with Level Two like they did with Level One. Oh well, how else
could they make another $99 on a Dev Pack?

Thanx

 Bob



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#: 10638 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-May-91  09:28:23
Sb: #10633-#TSMON
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

It seems like I had pretty good luck with TZMON.  I think you can use the
keyword "TSMON" to search for it.

Lee

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#: 10642 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-May-91  13:59:04
Sb: #10638-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

That's funny Lee,

I tried TZMON and it didn't work for me at all. Maybe I'm doing something
wrong, could you tell me briefly how to set it up?

Wasn't that written in C, does that mean I need C to run the program? (I don't
have C). Or maybe I just have something set up wrong!

Any help would be gratefully appreciated!!

Thanx

  Bob



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#: 10643 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-May-91  14:50:30
Sb: #10642-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Lee,

Disregard the last message, I figured out how it works. But we're looking at it
from the wrong end. TZMON still uses the regular LOGIN to work. The stock TSMON
is NOT my problem, LOGIN is!

I need a version of LOGIN that works with Level Two. TSMON, password motd, all
work FINE!

I don't know, I'm about ready to give up on this. If only I knew someone with a
dev pack, I'd just copy the &#$%&"'% file :-)

Bob



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#: 10654 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-May-91  10:51:00
Sb: #10643-#TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

Mark Griffith's LOGIN package doesn't work for you? It's in LIB 8 and should be
pretty roubust.

Steve

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#: 10661 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-May-91  20:58:02
Sb: #10654-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I downloaded that LOGIN.AR package and naturally, it doesn't work. I can't get
past the password. It won't recognize my password file (from stock TSMON/LOGIN)
nor will it create it's own (using the adduser utility in the package). I do
have all the appropriate execute attributes set, so that's not the problem.

Can you give me an example of how the password (/dd/sys/password) file SHOULD
be set up? Maybe that will help me out. Of course, the docs are not the
clearest in the world so maybe you could give me a quick lesson on the entire
system set up (ONLY what is required to use LOGIN)!!

Thanx!

 Bob



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#: 10664 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-May-91  08:18:03
Sb: #10661-#TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

Marks password file is in stock Microware format. Fielded data, delimited by
commas, starting with User Name, password, ID#, priorty, execution directory,
user directory and program to fork.

The only 'gotcha' is the password field is encrypted, so stuff that with six
zeros for starters. You can always use the password command later to reassign
properly encrypted passwords later.

Make sure public read is set and you should be fine.

Let me know ...

Steve

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#: 10668 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-May-91  21:22:09
Sb: #10664-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

It now seems to accept the passwords OK. Starting with 6 zeros and then using
the password command worked. Now all I get is "can't open user log file". Can
you tell me exactly what files NEED to be present for this thing to work and
how they are set-up?

Thanx in advance!!

    Bob



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#: 10672 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-May-91  07:54:28
Sb: #10668-#TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

I would have thought LOGIN would have created the necessary files it needed
_if_ they didn't exisit. But no matter ...

In  /dd/log each user has a .login file that contains the following info:

 DATE TIME    in the following format
 Tue May 14 08:45:44 1991

file name is in the format of username.login (e.g. steve.login)

It is from this file the system can report your last login date.

Keep us posted. This version is far better than any stock LOGIN that is
floating about.

Steve

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#: 10683 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  18:39:17
Sb: #10672-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Thank You Steve,

I was finally able to get it working using the info you gave me. It appears
that the ADDUSER.BIN file in that package doesn't work and that should have
created these files. But once I did it "manually" it worked. One problem still
remains however. When I do a - tsmon /t2&
 and someone logs on the system. When they get the username, password and OS9
prompts, they also get a period, like this:    OS9:. Then he must delete that
period and type the command (or password, etc.) or there will be an error. When
I try it on /term or a different window ( tsmon /w7&, for example) everything
displays perfectly.

What do you think is causing it to send out a period across the modem after
each prompt??

If that can be fixed, then it will work perfectly!
 Your assistance is appreciated muchly :-)

Thanx!

  Bob



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#: 10693 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  07:35:06
Sb: #10683-#TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

As mentioned somewhere before ... a dot is _generally_ an indication of a
control character being passed. I'm not really sure _why_ you're seeing this.
You shouldn't.

Who's/what tsmon are you using?

Do you get the same thing using the tsmon that Mark posted with his LOGIN
package?

Steve

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#: 10706 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  18:32:18
Sb: #10693-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I'm currently using TSMON from Level One with Mark's LOGIN package. That
package did NOT include a TSMON with it.

Bob



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#: 10711 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  07:33:39
Sb: #10706-#TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Bob,

Might want to drop in one of the replacement tsmon found in LIB 8 and see if
they fair better.

Steve

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#: 10718 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  18:46:31
Sb: #10711-#TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I now have it working perfectly!!! The problem was that the terminal that was
logged on thru /t2 was sending linefeeds. When he set the terminal to send only
carriage returns, that solved the problem.

Thanks so much for all your help!

Bob



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#: 10728 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-May-91  09:13:34
Sb: #10718-TSMON
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Bob Archambault 76506,3544 (X)

Way to go, Bob!

Sometimes the only way to solve these problems is to dog 'em 'till they die.
Makes perfect sense now that you can look back and review.

Steve

#: 10597 S7/Telecommunications
    06-May-91  19:13:46
Sb: #10475-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  Since the RS-232 Pak is in slot 1, and if the floppy controller is in slot 4,
then you may want to stick with the standard $03 slot select code in the SACIA
driver.
  Unless you want to use the B&B autoboot code, and I'm really not too sure how
that works.  I suppose if you have the MPI's external slot select switch set to
slot 3, then the $02 MPI slot select code would be what you want in the SACIA
driver.  Since all this happens after OS-9 boots up I really don't know how
much difference it makes.  I guess what I'm saying is, experiment, and please
let me know what works!  <grin>
  Bruce

PS:  I almost missed your message to me because my PPN wasn't in the "To:"
address.  To make sure I see future messages, please include my PPN
(76625,2273).

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#: 10612 S7/Telecommunications
    07-May-91  21:52:35
Sb: #10597-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Bruce,

The way I have things currently, I boot directly with the hard disk using B&B's
XT-ROM.  The MPI slot switch is set for slot 3 and the B&B interface is located
in slot 3.  The floppy controller is in slot 4, but I don't power up the
floppies unless I'm doing some file moves.

To tell you the truth, I don't see much difference using $03 or $02 at offset
$0014.  I just figured I'd ask you for the correct numbers just to have things
j-u-s-t right.

Also by the way, I have strapped together the pin 8's of slots 1 and 3
(locations of rs232 and B&B, respectively).

The reason I'm asking all this is that I'm running Mark's UUCP, but the system
hasn't been 100% bulletproof as sometimes I get missed characters, and such. 
The strange thing is, it ONLY happens with UUCP, I have NEVER experienced lost
characters with OSTerm, Sterm, or any other com package.  I figured by setting
things up per spec, I might solve the problem.

Hugo

UUCP:  (rutgers,njin)!fdurt1!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo




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#: 10646 S7/Telecommunications
    11-May-91  15:34:30
Sb: #10612-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  Since you only occasionally miss characters when using UUCP, I'd think that
UUCP was probably just a touch slower with Rx than any of the other programs
you mention.  Perhaps adding one more page to the Rx buffer is worthwhile, just
to handle the occasional UUCP buffer overflow?  It should just be an Rx buffer
overflow, unless UUCP masks IRQs a lot, which I'm sure Mark wouldn't do.
  Bruce

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#: 10659 S7/Telecommunications
    12-May-91  19:32:10
Sb: #10646-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

I guess UUCP might be slower on the Rx than Sterm, I hadn't thought of that.
Hey while we're on the subject of Rx/Tx, could you explain the difference
between hardware and software flow control?  Is one better than the other?  I
was thinking that maybe I should enable some sort of flow control....

Hugo

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#: 10660 S7/Telecommunications
    12-May-91  20:47:51
Sb: #10659-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo,
  The difference between hardware and software flow control is usually the
difference between the flow control being part of the data stream (on the Rx
and Tx lines) or being on separate lines.  The distinctions beyond that tend to
get blurred.  Basically, if I say software flow control I mean that one end
transmits a character (usually XOFF, or ^S) to tell the other end to stop
transmitting, and then transmits a different character (usually XON, or ^Q) to
tell the other end it is OK to transmit again.
  Hardware handshake (to me) usually refers to any of the other RS-232 control
lines, such as DSR/DTR or CTS/RTS handshaking.  Depending on the serial chip
(or hardware) used, these "hardware" handshakes may be partially or totally
under software control.
  Does that make any sense to you?  I'm not sure it makes sense to me...
    Bruce



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#: 10662 S7/Telecommunications
    12-May-91  21:39:59
Sb: #10660-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Not totally clear on that.  Is hardware control from modem-to-modem or
computer-to-modem?  I'm still having difficulties with UUCP so I'll try
anything that will stop these annoying problems.

It's amazing, my coco dislikes communications, but only sometimes. First your
tsutils didn't work, now uucp works great for several days, then it completely
fails every time, etc etc..

Hugo

Ps. Pretty quick response there!

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#: 10676 S7/Telecommunications
    14-May-91  23:01:59
Sb: #10662-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  Hardware and software handshaking may be computer to computer, computer to
modem, or whatever.  I think of it more in terms of Tx/Rx data (software)
handshake or separate pairs (CTS/RTS, DSR/DTR) of lines that are dedicated to
(hardware) handshaking.
  Bruce

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#: 10680 S7/Telecommunications
    15-May-91  17:08:18
Sb: #10676-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

So, if I set SACIA for hardware flow control, it's computer to modem?

Hugo

By the way, I'm losing characters using SACIA with UUCP.  I should verify what
happens with the ACIAPAK I had been using...



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#: 10732 S7/Telecommunications
    18-May-91  16:41:12
Sb: #10680-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  Hardware and/or software flow control have nothing to do with the difference
between computer to computer and computer to modem connections.  Either method
of flow control may (or may not) be used with either type of connection.  The
difference (to my way of thinking) is whether or not the flow control is
transmitted with the data stream.
  That is, if the flow control consists of special characters that both ends
agree on to tell each other when to send and when to not send (typically XON
and XOFF characters) then I consider that to be software flow control.  If the
flow control consists of control/status lines that are not the Tx/Rx lines,
then I consider that to be hardware flow control.
  Bruce

PS:  I can't recall, were you using one of "my" Clock modules together with
SACIA in your boot file?

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#: 10741 S7/Telecommunications
    18-May-91  20:37:04
Sb: #10732-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

I just recently installed a diode irq hack.  Therefore, I figured your
"special" clock module would be redundant.  I'm now using the standard
Microware clock.60hz.

Unfortunately, the diode hack didn't solve my uucp problems as the same thing
happened today ( I assume lost characters and/or bad data in some way).

By the way, I'm using SACIA.mpi, slots 1 and 3 of the mpak have their pin-8's
strapped.  The rs232 pak is in slot 1 and the B&B controller is in slot 3.

My final final attempt to solve the uucp problems will be to replace the 6551
chip with a 6551A.  If that doesn't work, I guess uucp will have to wait until
I get a new 68000 machine.

Hugo

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#: 10758 S7/Telecommunications
    19-May-91  09:38:20
Sb: #10741-#SACIA
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo,

Let me toss in my two cents:

With every report of interupt type problems, the unit had the _diode_ hack in
place. The success of the diode hack seems to be in direct relation to where
the diodes were purchased. Seems the Shack has a batch of bad diodes.

Rather than rip that out, the easy solution would be to use the new Clock
routine that handles interupts correctly. There should be no reason why they
can't co-exisist.

Steve

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#: 10767 S7/Telecommunications
    19-May-91  20:24:44
Sb: #10758-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Is there a way to check if a diode is bad (with a VOM?)

Hugo

(I'm beginning to think my problem may be software related)

My problem is, Osterm and STERM work fine with my current setup. UUCP works
error free, maybe 40% of the time.  My system seems to be the only one
suffering these problems.



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#: 10775 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-91  07:27:12
Sb: #10767-#SACIA
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo ...

Shades of my high school Basic Electronic class have surfaced with someting
about testing diodes with a VOM. Perhaps continuity in one dirrction only
indicates a properly functioning diode.

Those lurking ... please be kind. High School was 16 years ago ....

:-)


Steve

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#: 10776 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-91  11:47:57
Sb: #10775-#SACIA
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Gee, I didn't even get that information when I was in High School 30 years ago.
I had to wait until engineering courses in college for diodes and tubes. 
Transistors I found out about later.  Its a good thing that I had trouble with
electronics, so I went into some other engineering field, like aerospace.  Now
you can't do aerospace without electronics.  Darn.



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#: 10785 S7/Telecommunications
    21-May-91  07:13:06
Sb: #10776-SACIA
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X)

But then again Robert .... I had this 'unnatural' interest in electronics. I
was always trying to wire something together. I recall a situation in 3rd grade
where I (with the help of my teacher) took an AC power supply, rectified it and
hooked up a couple of telephones set. The class was impressed that they could
actually speak over the phones ... impressed, that is, until the day I crossed
a couple of wires, and smoked the insulation off the wires, filling the room
with a wonderful aroma!

Fortunately for me, this did not end my tinkering career. Mr. Schmidt saw it as
an experience and showed me the error in my thinking...

Steve

#: 10779 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-91  17:18:08
Sb: #10775-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

I guess if you reverse the leads, resistance should be infinite in one
direction and zero in the other, makes sense, no?

Hugo

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#: 10786 S7/Telecommunications
    21-May-91  07:15:55
Sb: #10779-SACIA
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Sure does!

#: 10763 S7/Telecommunications
    19-May-91  16:08:38
Sb: #10741-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  No, just because you're installed the "diode" IRQ hack doesn't make "my"
clock module redundant.  As I said before, the SACIA driver has had some
recheck IRQ service code removed, and this recheck code was placed in "my"
Clock module.  The reason for this was to eliminate the need for every IRQ
driven driver to do the IRQ recheck, thus saving valuable system space.  If you
use "my" clock module with SACIA it will be much more dependable.  If you use
another Clock module with SACIA you will most probably lose characters at 2400
baud and above.
  Bruce

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#: 10768 S7/Telecommunications
    19-May-91  20:26:28
Sb: #10763-#SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Ah so, OK. For now I will install the clock.60hz included in the smouse
package.  Is there a way to use the ELIMSW110 clock.60hz.rtc with my B&B RTC
hard disk interface?

Hugo

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#: 10820 S7/Telecommunications
    23-May-91  20:47:39
Sb: #10768-#SACIA
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

~ Hugo,
  I believe Dennis Skala did a B&B RTC clock module that incorporates the GIME
toggle and repeated IRQ poll.  I think it is available here, but if not I know
it is available on Delphi and perhaps elsewhere.
  Bruce

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#: 10824 S7/Telecommunications
    24-May-91  17:24:30
Sb: #10820-SACIA
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

I'm aware of Dennis's clock driver, I even used it in the past.

Someone hinted that I should disable the hires mouse and see if
it made a difference. I did, and have had 2 trouble free days.
If it keeps up, I'd say the hires mouse was the problem.

Hugo
-------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<----
Hugo Bueno  |     Delphi: MRGOOD
Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662
            |       UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
            |        or   hugo@bluehaus.uucp
----------------------------------------------------------------------

#: 10598 S1/General Interest
    06-May-91  19:13:55
Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

~ Kevin,
  I was talking to Kent Meyers last night, and both he and I are of the opinion
that Las Vegas is a better choice (for us) than is Atlantic City.  On the other
hand, I think both of us and many others are crazy enough to show up wherever
and whenever a 'Fest is held.  Just as long as we get sufficient advance
notice, and there aren't too many 'Fests in close succession.
  Bruce

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#: 10600 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  03:16:15
Sb: #10598-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to put on
a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't).  So that would give us Chicago and
Atlanta.

Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas <g>.  Drat.

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#: 10601 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  09:53:26
Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

I bet Mike Haaland thinks it's a good idea, and so do I. I'll come if you have
it in Las Vegas. Retaining 'Fests' in the Eastern 1/3 of the U.S. is somewhat
discriminatory, no?

Pete

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#: 10604 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  11:10:10
Sb: #10601-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Yah, fests only in the East are discriminatory... but everyone is convincing me
that western fests have never done well at all (I dunno.. never went to one;
altho the FtWorth fest was kinda slim, and I heard the L.A. fest was too).

The argument seems to be: you need lots of local people to count on. ?

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#: 10606 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  16:27:43
Sb: #10604-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Whatever..... offer stands though: have it in Lost Wages and I'll be there.

'Sides - LV is _lots_ more fun than Schaumburg (speaking both as a past fest
attendee there, and past Motorola employee....).

Pete

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#: 10608 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  18:11:30
Sb: #10606-'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

HA!  That's what _I_ said: Las Vegas would be a lot more fun!

#: 10611 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  21:13:37
Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Hey Kevin, How about Memphis? Y'see, that way I could talk my favorite
travelling companion into coming along.  I could go to all the seminars, and
she could hang out at Graceland. :)

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#: 10617 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  23:15:24
Sb: #10611-'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Memphis, eh?  Got a club there to do it?

Hey... was going thru TN on the way back from the fest, of course, and got a
big laugh on the Interstate when a very dirty truck passed me:

On the back, scrawled into the dusty door, was this -

"Elvis is alive and inside this trailer"

<g>

#: 10645 S1/General Interest
    11-May-91  15:34:26
Sb: #10600-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

 KD> Bruce - as it turns out, I heard the Chicago coco club may be willing to
 KD> put on a fest next year (assuming Rainbow doesn't).  So that would give
 KD> us Chicago and Atlanta.
 KD>
 KD> Guess no one else thinks Vegas/Atlantic City are good ideas <g>.  Drat.

Kevin,
  Oh well, I saw a couple of positive responses about LV, so maybe it'll work
out.  Who knows.  In the mean time, I can probably get to the Atlanta 'Fest in
October.  I also just heard (via FIDO) about a PNW 'Fest:

 MESSAGE #:   243  of 365
 FROM:        Chris Johnson
 TO:          All
 Subject:     Northwest CoCo/OS9 Meeting
 Date:        24 Apr 91 10:53:38

     Members of the Port Orchard CoCo/OS9 user group are planning to hold a
 Northwest CoCo Computer Fest in Port Orchard on the evening of June 21st
 (informal) and seminars on Saturday, June 22nd to about 1 in the afternoon.
 The whole family is welcome because a huge circus will be in town June 21st
 for two performances at 2 P.M. and 8 P.M.  The Carson & Barnes circus is the
 largest tent circus in the world with 5 rings of action and excitement.  For
 those family members not into computers it's a great way to have something
 for everyone.  More details coming.  Write to Donald Zimmerman for further
 details (3046 Banner Rd SE, Port Orchard, WA 98366, enclose SASE) or reply
 here to Chris Johnson for additional information.

 --- Opus-CBCS 1.14
  * Origin: Awakening_BBS 206-582-5579 Tacoma_WA *HST (1:138/102.0)

  What do you think?  Will we see you and Marsha out in the rain forest this
June?  <grin>
  Bruce

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#: 10699 S1/General Interest
    16-May-91  16:10:53
Sb: #10645-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Gosh, I -wish-.  Sounds like a fun time (and as you know, Marsha and I were
stationed at Tacoma for about 8 months in the Army).  You going to it?

We do plan to go to our parent's 45th anniversary this July out in Colorado
Springs... I hear the local coco club is mostly rsdos types.  Might have to
stop in on them ;-).

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#: 10733 S1/General Interest
    18-May-91  16:41:13
Sb: #10699-'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

~ Kevin,
  I'm not sure whether I'll be going to the PNW CoCo Fest.  If I can manage it
(meaning if I can find the time and money) I'd sure like to go.
  Bruce

#: 10832 S1/General Interest
    25-May-91  12:33:00
Sb: #10554-#'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Eric A. Cottrell  [WIT] 76327,515
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Hi Kevin,
Well if I had a choice of Vegas or Atlantic City for the next fest, then I
would choose Atlantic City. This is a purely prejusticed decision based on
location.
Our company recently held a conference in Vegas. An interesting observation was
that the room rates at non-gaming hotels were double gaming ones. We had to
choose a non-gaming one so that our client companies would approve sending
people to the conference. I assume the fest is not under such restrictions.
73 Eric...

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#: 10840 S1/General Interest
    26-May-91  09:04:42
Sb: #10832-'fest a bust or what?
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Eric A. Cottrell  [WIT] 76327,515 (X)

~ Yeah, I know!  The whole reason the rooms are cheaper at 'Gaming' hotels is
exactly that.   Gaming supports the hotels.  The Non-Gaming resorts can't pay
the overhead if they try to compete with Gaming resort room rates.  And you
should see the rates for those that 'play'!!!   Dirt cheap!  'Cause they know
you'll more than pay for the room at the tables.

Atlantic City?  I didn't even know they had Hotels!  <Grin>  Besides gambling,
what is there to do in AC?  Oh, that's right, Drive to New York, right?  <hehe>

Vegas would be the perfect City for a West Coast Fest.  'Cause it's durn cheap
to get here from anywhere, and with $4.95 prime rib and $6.95 steak and
lobster, plus tons of $25 to $50 rooms, How can you go wrong?

You won't find AC like Vegas.  Anyone been there lately?  I'm curious about AC
pricing. <g>

I'm sure folks can get a great deal on airfare from they're local travel
agents.  Only problem with Vegas, is there is no large CoCo user base here, But
we do have "Multi-Tasking for non-Rocket scientists"' Bill Vergona! <snicker>

BTW, Comdex is in Atlanta in the spring, and Las Vegas in the fall!  We could
schedule an LVFest right before or after COMDEX so CoCo folks could go to both
in one trip.  Hey!  and we could all go to a Runnin' Rebel game!  Great timing,
no?  'Cause you won't see 'em on TV this year.  <Groan>

Mike

Q: Why all the fuss on the NETS about LV?

#: 10605 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    07-May-91  15:28:45
Sb: #StG Login package
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To:  72427,335 (X)

Scott,

Is your StG login package still available? What is the price? I am looking for
a TSMon which supports auto baud from 2400 down to 300.

Thanks,

Zack

btw, I just mailed you a letter today asking about my O OSK'er subscription.



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#: 10607 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    07-May-91  16:29:15
Sb: #10605-StG Login package
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack -

Carl's/Mine/Bill's MTSMON supports autobaud, and the price is right ($0). Bill
Dickhaus added the COCOfications, so it'd be best to give him a jingle.

Pete

#: 10609 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    07-May-91  18:13:12
Sb: #10605-#StG Login package
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack - the new OSKer was at the fest... he'd been moving and got delayed.

Unfortunately, most people thought they were complimentary issues laying
around, and were taking/giving them away for free.  Poor Scott!

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#: 10969 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    05-Jun-91  20:04:28
Sb: #10609-StG Login package
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Actually, that wasn't so much of a problem.  I've been shoveling money into the
OSKer since day one and a little more wasn't going to hurt.  I'm not making any
money off it...

StG

#: 10968 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    05-Jun-91  20:01:31
Sb: #10605-StG Login package
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Yes, the StG Login package (now named 'StGNet') is available from Animajik
(818)761-4135.  I believe it is priced under $50 for the current version 3.0. I
would suggest getting that version now - the new version 4.0 is about done and
will support OSK machines as well - all owners of V3 will get V4 for free.

If you have not received issue #4 of the OSKer by now, then there is a problem
with your subscription.  If so, give me a call at (317) 241-6401.

StG

#: 10613 S3/Languages
    07-May-91  22:30:16
Sb: #C-Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All

I am just starting to get into "C". I had downloaded Carl Kreiders's C Library
and Mike Sweet's CGFX ver. 7. Do I replace the stock Tandy C stuff with these,
or do I merge them, and if so, please tell me how. I am still at the learning
point, so an Idiot's guide to C is probably what I should see,  see what is I
need to see for C. (I should be shot for that one.) --Thank you, Br. Jeremy,
CSJW.

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#: 10620 S3/Languages
    08-May-91  06:14:15
Sb: #10613-C-Help
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Brother,
    Carl's library DOES replace the current ones that came with the C Compiler.
What I did, was make a backup of the original...delete Tandy's version and then
pile Carl's libs in there. The CGFX library is an ADDITION (unless you have the
Developer's Kit...then it would replace that version of the same type LIB).
    In either case....you'll make calls that the LIBs call for....and you'll
utilize the LIBs when you go the LINK them in.
    Dan

#: 10622 S3/Languages
    08-May-91  09:19:39
Sb: #10613-#C-Help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Br. J -

You replace the Tandy/Microware clib.l with Carl's. Also, replace the T/MW
cstart.r file as well. These will be in your ??/LIB directory.

Next - run (don't walk) out and purchase a copy of the Waite Group's " "C
Primer Plus". An absolutely fabulous book that is well written without being
haughty or aloof, is loaded with examples to reinforce the text, and is
sprinkled with humour to make the initial exposure to C bearable. After buying
6 or so other texts, it parted the clouds for me. Others have also raved about
it, and I found out the local University uses it as their C text (of course,
_they're_ Lutherans.. <g>).

Pete

P.S. It's worth the trauma. All of our previously 'assembler only' hacks who
learned C never went back. Figure on about 30 days before the lightbulb gets to
full wattage.

P.P.S. A quick edit/compile/debug cycle is best for learning. Keeping as many
of the compiler modules in memory, and using a RAMDISK or hard disk is optimal.
We also have a replacement 'cc' command that helps facilitate this.

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#: 10637 S3/Languages
    09-May-91  23:02:12
Sb: #10622-C-Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Thank you for your advice. I know what you mean about the lightbulb. In the
morning when Brother says rise and shine, I'm lucky if I can glow dimly. But
 I am having fun learning programming. Maybe soon I will have some good code
too upload.  -Br. Jeremy, CSJW.

#: 10614 S15/Hot Topics
    07-May-91  22:49:13
Sb: #I2C Interface
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

MM-ONE="Mickey Mouse One"!

That's great! Keep in mind that Mickey is the symbol for Disney, too, and they
are a group that I admire. Very professional, very concerned about cultivating
the imagination of our youth -- which is, after all, where hope for the next
century will spring from.

Paul IMS

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#: 10618 S15/Hot Topics
    07-May-91  23:17:17
Sb: #10614-I2C Interface
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Uh.  But Disney won't let their employees wear moustaches.

<harummph!>

#: 10615 S1/General Interest
    07-May-91  22:54:47
Sb: Magnavox 8CM515
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

I'm using an 8515 on my MM/1 now and I find the 640 x 420 modes just fine to
read, especially the "borderless" ones that Kevin set up. The characters are a
little larger. Plus, I use a thicker font on these screens.

Paul

IMS

#: 10616 S9/Utilities
    07-May-91  22:56:31
Sb: #10307-#Areacode
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ,

New termcap now uploaded to you.

Paul

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#: 10619 S9/Utilities
    08-May-91  06:00:56
Sb: #10616-#Areacode
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Downloaded, too; I'll move it over and give it a try.  Thanks.

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#: 10632 S9/Utilities
    09-May-91  16:21:35
Sb: #10619-Areacode
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ,

I am also using a bunch of new fonts -- I don't know if they were modified in
any way (new header informantion, whatever) to run on the MM/1 -- Mike Haaland
apparently left them on my MM/1 at the fest.

Use the new fonts as you would on the Color COmputer 3 -- merge one then use
display 1b3a followed by the group and buffer numbers.

Right now, the font I favor is a sans serif thich font that looks great on the
640 x 420 screens.

Paul IMS

#: 10624 S1/General Interest
    08-May-91  19:04:28
Sb: #MicroWare is where?
Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623
To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X)

I've tried sending them message twice asking for them to mail me info (via
there customer feedback).  Is there anyone there or do I have to call them or
do they have a CIS ID I can send mail to?  I'd really like info on OSK and I've
been waiting since March...



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#: 10843 S1/General Interest
    26-May-91  22:11:27
Sb: #10624-#MicroWare is where?
Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611
To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X)

Their phone number at HQ is 515-224-1929.  I haven't tried feedback thru CIS
Microware "forum".  Apparently it is not good.  Sorry to hear about the
problem...

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#: 10922 S1/General Interest
    03-Jun-91  18:05:35
Sb: #10843-MicroWare is where?
Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623
To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611

Thanx timothy.  I finally got a reply from them...


#: 10625 S4/MIDI and Music
    08-May-91  19:13:40
Sb: #10441-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, I'm enjoying your package of MIDI file converter/play programs.  Any
chance of seeing a mod to handle tunes larger than the current max.  I've got a
couple in the 65k area I'd sure like to hear.  Regards, Ches.

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#: 10650 S4/MIDI and Music
    11-May-91  22:29:42
Sb: #10625-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)


Hi Ches,

I've been taking a break.  Plus I've become highly DIScouraged trying to come
up with a converter for SMF-from/to-UME format since Mike K. has been too busy
to reply to any of my messages for more than a month!  (I've checked
"everywhere" today and there's been no sign of him.  He's been busy getting UME
going on the MM/1 I understand.)

Like I've said before, I was reallllllyyyyyy hoping to get something started so
that we can ditch the CMF format altogether.  I can see it's not going to be
very soon at all.  I'm going to have to redo MFF120 to use 'lseek()' because
that's the only way I know to let it process any-size files with no
restrictions -- *and* to keep the utility generic enough for all flavors of
OS9/6809.  That means I don't want to use CoCo3/Level-2-specific "memory
allocation calls", or what Mike and others term "virtual memory".

I've not heard from Chris Braymen either.  Dunno if he'll get our long-int
version of MFF120 to work on his box or not.  Then he also could definitely use
the lseek version.

The lseeks will cause the disk drive to thrash all over the place -- I am
*sure* of this even before rewriting it to do it.  The code must look at every
MFF1 track in succession to find the next-earliest note(s) to
play/convert/merge.  Instead of keeping pointers to the allocated RAM, we'll
have to keep pointers to lseek values.  And every time we reference the byte in
RAM, we'd redo it with a 'getchar()' instead.  See?

But then, that's why we have RAM disks, eh?  I'll see if I can get started on
it this weekend.  Take my mind off the TV reruns anyway ...!

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



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#: 10657 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-May-91  13:42:03
Sb: #10650-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, let me offer a word of encouragement.  Yesterday, I was pressed into
service as a last minute program substitute for a mother/daughter function at
my church.  Your conversion programs helped me WOW the audience with great
music from our favorite little computer.  Again, please accept my thanks for
such a nice addition to the CoCo/OS9 repertoire. (And to any "lurkers", try the
MFFCP.AR conversion program in DL4 - you will like it). Incidentally, I have
been unable to locate PolySoft - not in 800 directory nor in the Portland
telephone operator's list of companies.  Wonder what happened to them. Their
sounds in the demo you uploaded are tremendous.  I recently purchased a 3-song
disk from Music Data (Their "In the Mood" is 65K, sigh), and the comparison
with PolySoft music is interesting.  Music Data uses the standard voices in the
MT32 which are not quite as lifelike as those loaded into the MT32 by PolySoft.
PolySoft's tempo and rhythm are a bit better than Music Data also.  Regards,
Ches.

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#: 10738 S4/MIDI and Music
    18-May-91  19:02:15
Sb: #10657-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Well thank you, Ches.  I'm testing the rewrite that uses 'fseek()' to index
through the MFF1 file, instead of loading the file into RAM.  Got one bug out
of the way.  I compared its output to one generated by MFF120, and it matches
100%, so it might be ready pretty soon.  Gotta say it does take about 7 times
longer indexing it from the MFF1 file rather than RAM, even when that MFF1 file
is copied to a RAMdisk.  It'd be great to have a cache driver -- I have
Performance Peripheral's floppy controller and their CC3Disk driver has cache
support settable by the user, but this company is no longer in business.  In
essence this could be used to "load" the MFF1 into the CoCo3's RAM without
having to rewrite this program at all.  Once enough of the MFF1 has been
indexed, the drive would never need to physically reread any of the data.  But
a RAMdisk is still faster since the data is right there in RAM in the first
place.

Some people have uploaded MT32 patch files to the CIS and GEnie MIDI SIGs. If
loaded properly, they can be used with UME.  Haven't tried it, but if UME
simply uses the MIDI channel setups in your MT32 as-is (i.e. the UME file does
not have "instrument" icons in it), your UME file can simply play the notes on
those channels and the MT32 should play with those loaded patches.

Someone around here on this OS9 SIG was trying to create a patch librarian and
patch editor for the MT32 -- where is he?!  I saw Pete Lyall's FB01 software
(or was it for a CZ model?), but where's the MT32 guru?!  I can't remember his
name ... but he uploaded a MT32 Setup program that was working just fine!  It's
here somewhere ... was waiting for his librarian & editor for patches ...

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).

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#: 10753 S4/MIDI and Music
    19-May-91  00:12:57
Sb: #10738-latest SMF stuff
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Dunno--but I *did* send along the C source to an MT32 patch editor that I saw
and snarfed on USENET over to Mike Knudsen once, I think.

#: 10834 S4/MIDI and Music
    25-May-91  14:51:33
Sb: #10738-latest SMF stuff
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, here's some info for your comparison.  I have a Tandy 1100 laptop PC and
a KEY Midiator.  I used the demo version of Cakewalk 4.0 to get the following
data using the Efficiency Rag from the MIDIFORUM.
   
     Load time for EFCY.MID (Format 1) (file size: 17,920) 2:17
     Load time for EFCY.MID (Format 0) (file size: 19,584) 3:55
   
       (Used MFF120 for conversion of Format 1 to Format 0)
   
     Playing time for loaded Format 1: 2 sec to start of music, 3:25 playing.
   
Comparison data for OS-9:
   
      Conversion time from Format 1 to Format 0: 0:52
      Conversion time from Format 0 to CMF0:     2:13
   
      Playing time for CMF0 (incl. loading time): 5 sec to start, 3:25 playing.
   
   
I have ordered SongWright, a notation type of transcription/MIDI editor/player
for PCs.  Its author says it will load formats 0, 1, and 2, but will save only
in format 1.  My interpretation of the help files with the Cakewalk demo (as a
demo, the save feature is disabled) is that it also saves only in format 1.  I
interpret all of this to mean that Cakewalk (at least) uses format 1 tunes more
efficiently than format 0.  Seems strange, I'd have thought having the time
merging of the tracks already done would make loading of the tune faster.  It
also seems to me that OS-9/MF... is roughly equivalent, and perhaps faster from
start to play than Cakewalk.   Regards, Ches.
   

#: 10626 S6/Applications
    08-May-91  21:25:54
Sb: #Dynacalc with terminal
Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Do you know of any patches to the dynacalc.trm file that will allow me to use a
Televideo terminal with Dynacalc running on the Color Computer 3 with OS-9
Level II?

Bert Schneider

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#: 10628 S6/Applications
    09-May-91  01:39:54
Sb: #10626-#Dynacalc with terminal
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X)

BBert -

Haven't we done this dance once already? I told you that I had developed some
.trm files using the utilities supplied with the standard version of Dynacalc
(I ran it on a SS50 Gimix system), but that the coco version's
trm files were of a different layout.

On the 'bright' side... If you can get hold of a standard version of dynacalc,
it will run on a coco , and you could use the standard terminal definition
utilities. Why not contact FHL... I'll betcha he's not selling too many 6809
standard Dynacalcs these days, and might be willing to wheel and deal.

Pete

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#: 10681 S6/Applications
    15-May-91  18:11:44
Sb: #10628-Dynacalc with terminal
Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Thanks!  I think I'll try that.  It would be nice to be able to use my terminal
for that purpose.  I don't think we talked about this before, but then again,
maybe we did.  Anyway, thank you and take care.

    (o)   (o)
        U
      \___/

Bert

#: 10636 S7/Telecommunications
    09-May-91  20:45:29
Sb: OSTERM
Fm: Dale Toyne 76304,2104
To:  76477,142 (X)

Just wanted to thank you for sending me OSTERM and let you know that I finally
got oi to work.  I ended up having to hack my MPI. Well thanks a lot I tried a
few YMODEM BATCH downloads and they worked great the only th out is how to get
the echo path feature to work.

Thanks again,

Dale A. Toyne

#: 10639 S1/General Interest
    10-May-91  19:36:10
Sb: #Need Serial Port info
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL

I just got an Okidata OL800 LED Page Printer and I would like
to use it with my CoCo3. (Yes, I know I am going to have to
write some custom programs.) Problem is, I can't get them to
communicate! I have the printer connected to the bit-banger
with a cable like the following:

4 Pin DIN Plug                     25 Pin DB25 Male Connector

      1                                     8
      2                                     3
      3                                     7
      4                                     2

Now, the printer manual states that it needs an "RS-232C" connection.

It says it needs the following:

1 - PG (Protective Ground)
2 - TD (Transmitted Data)
3 - RD (Received Data)
4 - RTS (Request to Send)
6 - DSR (Data Set Ready)
7 - SG (Signal Ground)
11 - SSD (Supervisory Send Data)
20 - DTR (Data Terminal Ready)

Can someone describe how I can possible jumper some of these so that
my CoCo can talk to my laser printer? (not a true laser, but usually
referred to one as)

Or maybe tell me what would be necessary to get this to work?

TIA,

Zack

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#: 10640 S1/General Interest
    10-May-91  22:07:18
Sb: #10639-#Need Serial Port info
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack,

I just (yesterday) made up a cable to run my Citizen GSX-140 through a serial
port. Here are my connections:

   4 Pin Din            DB25 Male

     1                    n/c
     2                    20
     3                    7
     4                    3

Works great for me. Remember, the CoCo Printer UART uses the RD line to see if
the printer is ready. I think the cable you made up is for a terminal, which
your printer ain't.

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#: 10641 S1/General Interest
    10-May-91  22:58:55
Sb: #10640-Need Serial Port info
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Thanks Bob! I'll give her a try! Of course, when my MM/1 gets here the point
will be moot, and of course I'll be waiting for you to port Vpt to OSK!



#: 10644 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-May-91  14:53:39
Sb: TSMON
Fm: Bob Archambault 76506,3544
To: Lee Veal

Lee,

Please see message # 10643

Bob



#: 10647 S2/Tutorials
    11-May-91  19:32:17
Sb: #DISK DRIVES
Fm: FRANK PRUZENSKI 76264,237
To: BOB PALMER 74646,2156 (X)


Hi Bob; I'm still around, however, I just don't have enough time to devote to
the nuts & bolts department.  I do get much use from this thing in part-time
bis. records & billings + many other projects.

My "config" as it stands to date:  have installed 40 track on my disk as
pointed out.  I have ddd0 35s, /d0 40d, /d1, /d2. Guess I don't need /d2 do I? 
And ddd0 40d, I think.  Tell me, how does one get 80d?  Pipe, P, w-w7,  Mon r,
full commands.
 I just finished make dir-sys to copy in helpmsg & errormsg, seems to work. 
I'm anx to get it done right so I can reconfig Multivue.

How can I make the baud rate "06" permanent.  I've tried the xmode procedure as
outlined in the manual which works until I reboot.

R. Shack's sales have been a bonis.  I picked up desk mate, print shop, some
others for $5. ea.  This has helped me much.  Thanks for the much needed help
so far.

BYE FRANK

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#: 10652 S2/Tutorials
    12-May-91  00:23:45
Sb: #10647-DISK DRIVES
Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
To: FRANK PRUZENSKI 76264,237 (X)

You should probably make your /dd reflect whichever disk you want it to be.
Normally for a two drive system that would make /dd be the same as /d0 so that
would be 40 track ds.  No you do not need /d2 unless you have three separate
drives.  You can build your own 80 track drive by editing an existing
descriptor to fit (the number of tracks becomes whatever 80 is in hex) and also
setting the track density to 96 per inch.  Read through the system manual.  If
you have trouble I can give you a typical - seems to mee that there was an 80
track descriptor - no I apologize - that came with my SARDIS no halt
controller. One elast thing - after doing an XMODE to change the baud rate you
will need to do a COBBLER to write out the bootfile in its new flavour.  Then
the speed will stay as you have set it. Easy yes? Bob.

#: 10648 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-May-91  21:11:00
Sb: #os9 coco / telecomm.
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: all

HELP ME!!! I have a coco  2 and am using os9 level 1, also using Tandy deskmate
My problem is that I can't get my modem program pak to work with eithor one. I
can't view the service I'm connected to and can't up/down load files to/from
disk. I have tried everything I can find in the manuals but nothing works. does
anyone out there have the answer?

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#: 10655 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-May-91  10:55:05
Sb: #10648-os9 coco / telecomm.
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

To use the modempak you'll need /m1 in your bootfile. Is it there?

I never found Deskmate to be of much use for me, instead I used xcom9
(available in the Telcom library).

If you'd give us a bit more information on what your system _isn't_ doing, ad
what errors (if any) are being reported, I'm sure we can be of some help.

Steve

#: 10651 S1/General Interest
    12-May-91  00:06:34
Sb: #GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: all

Is anyone working on a new(er) up-to-date GIF viewer for CoCo3 Level 2? About a
year ago, I noticed CIS has put out GIF 1989a specs.  The viewers we currently
have are GIF 1987a and are messing up when trying to show some of these "newer"
GIF files.  For example, Tim Kientzle's View 4.1, as well as Vaughn Cato's
ViewGIF 2.0 and Chris Babcock's O9GIF 2.1 were all saying that they cannot
process a certain (naughty) GIF picture I have, but Mike Dziedzic's GIFOS9 1.1
does try to show it.  View 2.1 was saying how it doesn't support "non-global
bitmaps" in that GIF picture.  CShow for the IBM-PC crowd works just fine (of
course).

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).

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#: 10653 S1/General Interest
    12-May-91  06:54:58
Sb: #10651-#GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

I've been tempted to modify viewgif to do 1989a--don't know whether I could do
non-global palettes, but it would be a *great* pleasure to make it know about
aspect ratio, which is one of the changes for 1989a if I recall correctly.  I
think it also wants colors in descending order of importance, which could make
life easier in some ways.

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#: 10737 S1/General Interest
    18-May-91  18:43:46
Sb: #10653-#GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

One of the enhancements of GIF 1989a is the use of text on top of the picture,
where the letters or fonts are shown with the background showing through
(transparent) or colored (transclusent[?] or opaque). Yet another enhancement
is that the GIF info specifies the length of a pause or delay for animation,
overlays, the text I just mentioned, or whatever else is needed.  The sample
that came with CSHOW, the IBM-PC compatible GIF viewer, kinda does all of that,
all in one GIF file. It just so happened that some GIF file I found had
contained some non-global stuff which was defined in the original 1987 spec.

Not that I can afford one (anytime soon either), but are the OSK machines from
FHL, IMS, Delmar, etc., able to (or will be able to) show those GIFs that are
essentially VGA pictures?  You know, the 800x600x256 resolution?  IBM has yet
to publish their XGA specs, but the latest CSHOW already supports IBM's own XGA
card.  Keep hearing & reading that the MM/1 and Delmar has support for VGA but
--alas-- where's the software?

-- Thx, Paul Seniura.

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#: 10744 S1/General Interest
    18-May-91  21:16:49
Sb: #10737-GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Yah, the MM/1 shows the VGA pics, altho in 320x420x256 res instead (looks
fine).  The PT does even better on a VGA monitor with its VGA card, of course.

Far as I know, both have GIF decoders.  Kinda large files to download, tho :-)

#: 10752 S1/General Interest
    19-May-91  00:11:41
Sb: #10737-#GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Well...just this Friday evening, I looked at some GIF files on my MM/1, and
they looked very good to me.  There were some 640*480 files in there; I don't
recall seeing any 800*600.

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#: 10766 S1/General Interest
    19-May-91  20:04:28
Sb: #10752-#GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)


Is Mike going to develop it for us po' folk?  If not, and if it's shareable,
might I take a gander at it?  Mike hasn't been answering my e-mail on CIS or
Delphi, seems to be too -- TOO -- busy making things for the MM/1 and
forgetting about "us".  For one thing, he &/or Ed Hathaway promised us they'd
make good the promises stated in the UME-3 docs.  About two months ago, Mike
answered back stating he will get it finished but after he gets them working on
the MM/1 first.  That is IRRITATING -- I and many others have been waiting for
TWO YEARS to the day (almost) waiting for those enhancements.  I'm getting
tired waiting ... I even bribed him & Ed that I'd send in a second $59 once
they get it all finished and implemented correctly.  So, if you have something
we can go ahead and port over, by all means let's get it going.

Sorry 'bout having to bring things out into the open, Mike & Ed, but it's now
beyond my comprehension what y'all are trying to do.  I believe it is time for
others to know why I'm disgusted with UME and its support -- shoot, I don't
even have a copy of the latest version, after what all we've already discussed
and been through over the last two years.  If I knew things were going to be
this way a year ago, I would have tried to develop my own editors.  Nothing's
stopping me, except I *did* pays my money in trust that those features would be
available by now.  I decided instead to get the SMF support rolling, if for no
other reason to show that y'all didn't do enough homework and to show why y'all
need to support SMFs.  I'm presently awaiting a response from Mike to see if he
& I could get together and whip up some UME-SMF converters (both ways, not just
one).  Still waiting ...

I'm not saying UME isn't a good product -- it's the best from what we have to
choose.  But look at how difficult it is to get features supported that we
really need!  I'm through hollering now; thanks for putting up with me.

-- Paul Seniura (76476,464).



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#: 10772 S1/General Interest
    20-May-91  01:00:17
Sb: #10766-#GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

To the best of my knowledge, the source I have, written for the ST, is freely
copyable, so (if I can find it...) I could send it to you.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but--Mike uploaded the UME file format
some time back, I believe.  What is stopping you from working on converters?

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#: 10854 S1/General Interest
    27-May-91  22:20:12
Sb: #10772-GIF 1989a viewers?
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)


I suppose I will duplicate my response here as I've had to respond to others on
Delphi asking the same question.

First of all, as I've mentioned before, Mike Knudsen has been too busy to
answer my questions via e-mail.

Secondly, I've had several specific questions about his documentation of the
UME file format.  When it comes to the part about the "event" arrays and such,
for example, it was poorly written.  Needed some examples to show other
programmers what was expected, maybe even some C code fragments, and so on.  I
believe the last time I asked for some help was in February of this year.
Wanted to know, for one thing, whether MFF1 or MFF0 was the way he expected the
music to be stored.  I couldn't tell with his docs.

Thirdly, the fact that he hasn't made good on "true" MIDI support for certain
MIDI commands, such as pitch bends, controllers, after touch, etc., that we
would have a terrible time figuring out how to convert (or simply throw out)
the data that isn't supported.  As an example, I'm not talking about the "fake"
support for Crescendi & Diminuendi he's apparently put into 4.7.x -- we need
"real" after touch support.  I've suggested ways to graphically show these
kinds of MIDI commands, and even explained how to use simple linear algebraic
equations vs. time to do the real-time MIDI output.

Fourthly, we don't have a decent way to store numerous SysEx data.  If a SMF
has SysEx in it, what will UME "do" about it?  We don't have any way to keep a
library of SysEx, including non-UME software & packages.

Fifthly, what do I do with 24-track SMFs?  Where do I store the instrument
patches in his table if there's more than 16 of 'em?  ETC.

That's just the tip of the iceburg.  All of this was via e-mail on Delphi (and
on CIS e-mail, too, some of it).  Still waiting for some help.  Get the
picture?  -- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



#: 10665 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-May-91  08:50:11
Sb: #10566-#creat() help
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

The "theoretically correct" technique for seeing if a file already exists is
with the access() function. Using perms of 0 just tells you if it is there, or
you can see if it is access()able <g> with whatever permissions you want.
 Mark

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#: 10669 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-May-91  22:04:21
Sb: #10665-creat() help
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)


Yes, access() is the correct way to see if a file exists. In the segment I was
working with I really didn't care if the file did or did not exist. I was going
to overwrite it no matter what. Creat() is nice for this since it will
overwrite an existing file. Create() will not. But with creat() you can't set
the file permissions (as we both now know!!), and I did want some special perms
set . . . so that meant I had to use create(); but it fails if the file
exists... so then it is back to combinatation of create() and open(). No big
deal, but it seemed that creat() would have been so simple. Besides, now
everyone knows of yet another ambiguity in the MW manuals.

#: 10670 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-May-91  23:41:28
Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: ALL

HI ALL.I'M HAVING A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS WITH MY OS9 LEVEL II DISKS THAT I NEED
HELP WITH. FIRST,SOMEHOW WHEN MAKING A BACKUP OF MY CONFIG/BASIC09 DISKI CLOSED
OFF THE PATH TO BASIC09. IT'S STILL IN THE DIRECTORY BUT I CAN'T GET TO IT.IS
THERE SOME WAY TO OPEN THE PATH BACK UP? SECOND,I CAN NO LONGER ACCESS THE
ERROR OR HELP MESSAGES. WHENEVER I TRY I GET "COULDN'T OPEN PATH TO
/dd/sys/errmsg(hlpmsg)".HOW DID I DO THIS? I USED TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM. LEAVE
IT TO US NOVICES. THANKS MARK

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#: 10671 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-May-91  05:24:14
Sb: #10670-BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

What output do you get when you do a "dir e /d0/cmds" and "dir e /d0/sys"?
Ditto for "dir e /dd/sys".

#: 10673 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-May-91  18:21:06
Sb: #dynacalc
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: all to see

I need a great deal of help in running dynacalc on my somewhat doubious CoCo 3
. I say doubious because of the great deal of trouble I have in doing anything
with it aside from using it as an expensive paperweight. I can not make a
backup nor can I boot up nor can I even execute the file if I boot up on
another disk and chd & chx to that disk. HELP!!!!!!!!!! Feel free to call me at
(303) 426-7465 if you can help . I am getting some what disatified with the
famed os9 and the big R.S. Maybe the new machines are better but I can not
afford to go that way and take a chance.

              sincerely

              Tom Farrow

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#: 10674 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-May-91  18:35:27
Sb: #10673-dynacalc
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X)

What exactly do you have in your system?  Do you have only Dynacalc, or do you
have both OS-9 (Level One or Two?) and Dynacalc?  The more details you provide,
the easier it is to get help.

#: 10677 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  02:14:04
Sb: #10673-dynacalc
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: tom farrow 72701,543 (X)

Tom -

As JJ said, a detailed description of your problem(s) would be more fruitful.
Lets try a step by step statement of the difficulties you're having.

Pete

#: 10675 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-May-91  21:07:08
Sb: #coco/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

According to the Deskmate manual,the modem pak must be in slot 1 and the drive
controller in slot 4 They are. After setting the communications status settings
I select the view menu. From that menu I select terminal as instructed by the
manual. I now have a blank screen and when I try a call nothing happens.The
screen remains blank. the only thing that will show on the screen is what I
type, if anything. I usually get cutoff long before I can figure what is wrong.
I assume this is because my logon wasn't recieved. If I try the modem pak in
any other slot I get an error, It says that an error occured trying to open the
rs-232 driver,can't open. I don't know what else to try, I called Radio Shack
and they don't have the answer. Can you help?




Thanks



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#: 10678 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  06:49:38
Sb: #10675-coco/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Again ... the modem pak requires /m1 descriptor and the ACIAPAK driver to
funtion. There should be a menu where you can specify the serial device in use
... set it to /m1.

Steve

#: 10679 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  07:48:10
Sb: #hard disk controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all

Can someone here suggest a source for a hard disk controller for the CoCo?  I'd
like to use a 20MB SCSI drive I've got on the shelf.  It would also be nice if
I could get an RS-232 interface at the same time. I don't have a MPI, so I'd
need some sort of combination controller. Oh yeah, I'd like it to be a non-stop
controller for floppies as well. Is that too much to ask?  Also, I don't have
access to copies of Rainbow, so please post the phone number of companies
rather than references to ads in the magazines.

Thanks in advance! David Betz

P.S.  I tried calling the phone number someone posted for CRC a while back and
haven't been able to get an answer.

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#: 10688 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  21:40:02
Sb: #10679-#hard disk controller
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

Hmmm...the SCSI setups for the CoCo that I know of (RGB, KenTon) might not do
floppies.  I'll have to go look in RAINBOW and find phone numbers and
addresses.

You may want to check with CoCoPro; they may have what you need.  (I'm in luck!
I have a flyer right here.  CoCoPro, 1334 Byron, Ypsilanti MI 48198; VISA/MC
orders 1-800-937-7746; other calls 1-313-481-3283; 1-9 p.m. Eastern Time,
Monday through Saturday.)

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#: 10696 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  08:20:39
Sb: #10688-hard disk controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Thanks, I'll give them a call.

#: 10691 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  01:33:51
Sb: #10679-#hard disk controller
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)


David,

Here's the info I have for CRC/DISTO :

 CRC Inc.
 11 Boul. Des Laurentides
 Laval, Quebec, Canada H7G-2S3

 Phone: (514) 967-0195

From what I've read you want a:

 Super Controller II      - No-Halt Controller
 4in1 Multi-board adapter - HD adapter, RTClock, Serial and Par Ports

Mike



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#: 10697 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  08:22:13
Sb: #10691-hard disk controller
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Thanks!

#: 10682 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  18:34:08
Sb: #Disto SC-II Software
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Kevin Darling

   Hi Kevin,
             Guess what I just bought? One of those Disto Super Controller
   II paks. Since you wrote the software;
              There is a new CC3Disk to be installed in the boot.
              I have already changed the original CC3Disk to the one
                needed for 'pcdos' and 'rsdos'.
              Will the module that I just got work with these programs?
        Are there any updates to the SC-II software that I should be
     aware of?
        I've got this money burning a hole in my pocket that I'm
     waiting to spend on a book. Find any books around your place?

                                    Thanks,
                                            Paul R.



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#: 10700 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  16:17:47
Sb: #10682-#Disto SC-II Software
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Hi Paul - rsdos will work with the SC-II driver... unfortunately, pcdos doesn't
(I'd have had to include a halt-driver mode also).  Since people have taken
apart the driver and fixed a coupla bugs in it (the main one only hits if you
boot direct to hard disk... an "iniz /d0" fixes it), I was hoping someone would
do the pcdos dirty work <g>.

Most people just keep two boot disks... and use the old driver boot if/when
they need to do a pcdos xfer.  I think I should just go ahead and post my
driver source code, and let people add the needed halt code.

Yes!  Found a book.  As soon as I can walk again (sunburn) and drive, I'll get
it out to you. thx! - kev

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#: 10703 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  18:18:16
Sb: #10700-#Disto SC-II Software
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

     Thanks. Good luck with your sunburn. (Skin cancer and cataracts to
follow). Might be a good idea to publish that source code.
     I can plug in this new disk controller right now and use my regular boot
disk to use pcdos? That's not too inconvienient. I already wound up buying a
clock since I forgot the smartwatch was soldered into the old controller.
                              Paul

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#: 10704 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  18:27:18
Sb: #10703-Disto SC-II Software
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Geez, thanks for the sunburn encouragement <groan>.  I ain't never going
outside again ;-).  Just keep to my little computer room.

Yah, you should be able to boot up with your old disk, no sweat.

#: 10686 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  21:01:09
Sb: #Color patch
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: all

Is there anyone who can help me,please? I have a COCO 3 (128K) , Double disk
drive, and an RGB (CM-8) monitor. My problem is that I have several programs
(Rocky's Boots,Robot Odyssey,Mickey's Space Adventur,etc. that use OS-9 ver.
2.00.00 They show up in black and white on my monitor. Is there a patch or a
"montype" command that will work on ver. 2.00.00? Thanks, Bruce




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#: 10689 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  21:43:32
Sb: #10686-#Color patch
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X)

The problem is that the programs that did what on the CoCo 2 was high-res
graphics and did color got color by taking advantage of the limited bandwidth
of color TVs--they generated color the same way that you see a faint moire
pattern of red and blue when a used car salesman appears in a black-and-white
herringbone pattern jacket on a commercial.  Your CM-8 is too good to be fooled
like that, and you'll just see a pattern of adjacent black and white stripes. 
To get the colors, you'll have to go to composite or color TV.

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#: 10794 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  22:58:54
Sb: #10689-Color patch
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I hate it when that happens! Anyway, thanks a lot for your time and the info.

Bruce

#: 10687 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-May-91  21:32:20
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I tried using /M1 on deskmate and got an error It said an error occured
trying to open the rs232 path can't open In the deskmate manual it says to use
/T2 but that only gives a blank screen. I have deskmate version 1.00.00 and it
uses os9 version 2.00.00 How would I go about obtaining and  installing the m1
driver since I don't think it is in there? Also would this work for my os9
version 1.01.00 level 1 ? I just added a second drive to my system and would
like to be able to use the drives with telecomm. I apprieciate your help
Thanks,



Tom

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#: 10694 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  07:37:10
Sb: #10687-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Ouch!

My familiarity with Deskmate ends pretty much where I left off ...

I'm gonna have to gracefuly back out and let someone more knowledgable jump in.

Steve

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#: 10701 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  16:20:05
Sb: #10694-os9/telecomm
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Hmm.  Sounds like he needs to make a new bootdisk with m1 and modpak in it? Or
does DM-3 come with those already installed?

#: 10690 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  00:11:22
Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X)

SORRY FOR NOT GETTING BACK TO YOU SOONER, I HAVE A NEW MODEM AND SOFTWARE I'VE
BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I TRIED THE DIR E /D0/XXXX COMMANDS. FOR THE ERROR
AND HELP MESSAGES IT SAID I COULD READ AND WRITE TO THEM, BUT WHEN I TRIED I
GOT ERRORS AND 216. THAT LAST LINE WAS ERRORS 214 AND 216. ON THE
BASIC09/CONFIG DISK IT READS --e-rewr. I KNOW THE READ AND WRITE, I WAS TRYING
TO REMEMBER WHAT THE 2 e's ARE. WHEN I TRIED AGAIN TO RUN THE BASIC09 I STILL
GOT THE "COULDN'T OPEN PATH" MESSAGE. IS THIS ENOUGH FOR YOU TO HELP? LET ME
KNOW IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT ANSWER FROM ME. THANKS A BUNCH, MARK

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#: 10692 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  05:48:10
Sb: #10690-BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Are you remembering to do a chd and chx when you swap disks?

#: 10698 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    16-May-91  16:06:28
Sb: #Sunburn
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Greetings to anyone who's been trying to get in touch with me this past week:

About a week ago Marsha and I took a beach trip, and dumb old me managed to get
sunburned beyond belief... still too painful to walk much.

For this message, I managed to roll myself in a chair here to the computer room
while Marsha was out <g>.  I'm now sorry that I never set up terminals all
around the house!

Hope to be back online/phone soon.  best to all - dumb redhead kev

PS: no need to respond... should be back on my feet in a few days (I hope!).

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#: 10710 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    16-May-91  20:32:16
Sb: #10698-#Sunburn
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Wanna hear whats worse, Kev?  I USED to be a redhead, and now I burn where it
used to be.  OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

JohnW

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#: 10713 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    17-May-91  09:32:01
Sb: #10710-#Sunburn
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

HEHE.  Yah, at least I still have (most) of my hair up top ;-).

Altho the shower drain is getting clogged more and more nowadays <sigh>.

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#: 10723 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    17-May-91  21:25:20
Sb: #10713-Sunburn
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Well, I can comb my hair with a washcloth - makes it easier to get ready for
work in the morning, anyway.  BTW, (from one red-head to another) Solarcaine
spray works pretty good - has a pain-killer in it.

#: 10751 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    18-May-91  23:46:33
Sb: #10713-Sunburn
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

You might try Rogaine. --Jeremy, CSJW

#: 10702 S1/General Interest
    16-May-91  18:02:43
Sb: #Hires adapter
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: All

Does anyone out there have a hires CoCo joystick adapter that they don't need
and would be willing to part with? No luck in the stores here in Montreal.

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#: 10709 S1/General Interest
    16-May-91  20:20:24
Sb: #10702-#Hires adapter
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

Hmmmmm, I'm sure I saw about three of them the other day at a local Radio
Shack.  Cheap too. I'll check.  John Wainwright

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#: 10722 S1/General Interest
    17-May-91  21:09:57
Sb: #10709-#Hires adapter
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Thanks. Let me know what you find.

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#: 10729 S1/General Interest
    18-May-91  10:10:10
Sb: #10722-Hires adapter
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

Ian,  I found them.  Picked up  two of them for $4.95 each.  If you still want
one, send me shipping instructions - here or E-mail. John Wainwright 72517,676

#: 10705 S15/Hot Topics
    16-May-91  18:29:07
Sb: #Amiga and OS-9
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Well, it's enough to make a person crazy... it's sad enough that the Atari ST
almost came with OS-9 as its standard operating system, but didn't... but now
we also find out (from this exchange on internet):

   Amiga Owner #1: "Given the grief that many of us suffered under [Amiga OS]
1.0 and 1.1, I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off with C= buying
OS-9/68K, which was reasonably stable, at the time, then adding [graphics]."
   Amiga Owner #2: "I asked about that, at the time. The response I got
indicated that nobody at Amiga had ever heard of Microware.  Weird."
   Commodore Honcho: "Not quite accurate.  In the days when we were looking for
a replacement for the original CAOS  (we had the tripos port in hand, but...) I
talked to the folks at Microware (since I was already talking to them about
another project using an OS9 varient.). At that time their unit pricing even
for large volumes made their operating system uneconomical for us to use. Which
was a shame."

"A shame" indeed!  If both the ST and Amiga had come with OS-9, perhaps we'd
now be reading interviews in TIME magazine with MW President Ken Kaplan,
instead of always just with Bill Gates :-(.   Drat.

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#: 10715 S15/Hot Topics
    17-May-91  17:20:24
Sb: #10705-Amiga and OS-9
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

? The pricing of MW's OS-9/68K has always been on the exorbitant side.
Especially after they withdrew their "personal" version OS-9.  We, CoCo3
owners, really got it good with the OS-9/6809 for only $80.  Granted, after
Multi-Vue and the Dev. Pak are added the price breaks the $200 mark, but still
you could get a lot done without the add-ons.  And at $230, as I recall, it was
still a good deal compared to the 68K versions.

But you're right, I think MW missed a great opportunity by not catering to the
ST and Amiga market.  Of course, we seem to be only one side of the story based
on the previous internet messages.
   It would be interesting to hear both sides.

Lee



#: 10708 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-May-91  20:14:14
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: all

I have a COCO 2 with Deskmate and I can't make telecomm work with  my modem
pak. Can anyone out there tell me how I can get the data needed to make a new
boot disk with M1 in it so my modem pak will work? I believe this is the
problem, because if I type /M1 in at  the serial port prompt I get an error. So
far I have had no luck in getting it to work PLEASE HELP ME!!!





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#: 10717 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  18:18:36
Sb: #10708-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thomas -

Let's start with what you have done thus far.

Since you have a Coco2, I assume you're running Level I os9.

Are you familiar with the os9gen command?

Pete

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#: 10720 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  19:39:23
Sb: #10717-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

I am using os9 level 1, I have version 01.01.00 . Also I have Deskmate that
uses os9 level 1 version 02.00.00 . I have never used the os9 gen command. As
far as what I have done so far, I read the book that came with deskmate, I
enter the telecomm program menu, and set my status, when I try to communicate
if I use /t2 like the book says I get a blank screen. If I try /m1 I get an
error. From what I can tell from the  os9 commands book the os9 gen command is
used to add modules to a boot file, is this correct? If so , how would I add a
module I don't have, where can I get it? thanks for your help. TOM

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#: 10727 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  23:22:56
Sb: #10720-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

I'm no longer a coco'er, so some of this is a stretch for me memory wise... I'm
not sure where/when the /M1 module was first distributed.

Is there any possibility that it exists in the bootfile on the 2.00.00 disk?
Try this:

   Ident -s    Ident -s /d0/OS9boot

And see what drivers and descriptors are there....

Something else just occurred to me. Because of the inadequate handling of the
IRQ's for devices in the multi-pak, we developed something called an IRQ hack
that tied to the RS232 pak. This allowed it to receive serial interrupts. In
the case of the modem pak, this wasn't necessary because they (Tandy/Microware)
included a _virtual_ IRQ driver (VIRQ) that would issue interrupts every so
often. They'd use this to act as sort of a baby sitting timer for checking the
modem pak. This all boils down to the fact that if you use /M1, you may also
need to unearth VIRQ. I believe that VIRQ wasn't implemented until 2.00.00.

Again - see what's in the 2.00.00 bootfile. In fact, omit the -s option and get
the full poop on all the modules. We're mainly interested in finding M1, it's
driver (the descriptor will list which driver it is affiliated with), and
whether or not you have VIRQ.

Pete

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#: 10739 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-May-91  19:55:24
Sb: #10727-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, Thanks for the info, I will check the bootfile as soon as I get off line
and get back to you. Thanks again.


Tom






#: 10801 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  08:26:56
Sb: #10708-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Since you are using Level I (right?) you should be able to load M1 and MODPAK
without having to build a new bootfile, then if that works, we can help you
through making up a new bootfile. If I remember right (its been awhile, and I'm
at work, so can't look this up) the drivers and descriptors are in a directory
on the master system disk, probably the MODULES directory. Load M1 and MODPAK
from there, using full pathnames (like: LOAD /D0/MODULES/M1). Then try setting
the serial port in Deskmate to M1.

Bill




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#: 10811 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  20:23:47
Sb: #10801-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill, I have os9 level 1 version  1.01.00 , and deskmate that uses os9 level 1
version 2.00.00. I have looked at the module directorys on both disks and M1
and MODPAK are not there.

Where else might I find them?

Tom

#: 10712 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    17-May-91  07:38:39
Sb: #command line arguments
Fm: Chris Clark 76050,1127
To: SYSOP (X)

I am a new OS9 user. I am used to using unix and the cshell. Iwould like to
pass command line arguments into a script. ( I cannot force myself to type chd
instead of cd. ,,,etc... ). HELP!!!! Chris Clark 404-542-4452 or
clark@mond1.ccrc.uga.edu on the Internet

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#: 10716 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    17-May-91  18:15:41
Sb: #10712-command line arguments
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Chris Clark 76050,1127

Chris -


There are a couple of options:

 a) Use 'shell+'. This is a hacked version of the standard shell that
    supports shell variables, parameters, and control statements. Should
    be in DL10. May require LII (Os9 Level II).

 b) The os9 UGLIB (DL5) has a tool called 'go' that accepts parameters,
    and forks command lines with these parameters substituted. If it's not
    online, it can be recalled.

Pete

#: 10726 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    17-May-91  22:23:21
Sb: #10712-command line arguments
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Chris Clark 76050,1127

Hi Chris - I assume from the section that you're using OS9/68K.

The current Microware shell doesn't accept command line arguments <sigh>. I
suspect with the coming influx of OS9/68K users, that we'll be seeing a new
shell that does pretty pronto, tho.

In the meantime, drop into Library 12 and do a "bro /key:shell" and see if you
find anything useful.  I believe that there's a Bourne shell in there, for one.

Like you, I find "chd" instead of "cd" is driving me crazy... especially since
the "pwd" of 6809 OS-9 is now "pd" under OS9/68K (OSK for short).

luck! - kev

#: 10714 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  14:20:11
Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X)

HI JAMES, THE ONLY TIME I'VE USED CHD,CHX IS WHEN I RECONFIG'D MY NEW DISK. IS
THERE OTHER TIMES TO USE IT? WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS GOING PAGE BY PAGE THROUGH
THE OS9 MANUAL AND THE OS9 TOUR GUIDE. WHEN I GOT TO THE PART ABOUT BASIC09 IN
THE TOUR GUIDE IS WHEN I DISCOVERED I COULDN'T GET TO IT. I KEPT GETTING THE
"NO PATHWAY ERROR" AND WHEN I TRIED TO CALL UP ERRMSG OR HLPMSG IS WHEN I
DISCOVERED THOSE WERE CLOSED OFF TOO. SO, NOW WHAT? LATER, MARK

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#: 10721 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  20:40:18
Sb: #10714-BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

OK.  Whenever you switch floppies in the drive, you need to chd and chx (there
are some possible exceptions, but they are few, and can wait until you have a
better understanding of what's going on).  The reason you need to do this is
that OS-9 disks aren't like Disk BASIC disks.  In Disk BASIC, the directory is
*always* in the same place, has the same size, and so forth.  Under OS-9,
different disks can have their directories (note the plural) in different
places.  (There is some stuff that's always in the same place, but it isn't a
directory, though it tells how to get to a special directory, called the *root*
directory of the disk.)  All a process remembers about the directories, data
and execution, is what drive they're on, and what sector on the drive they
start at, so changing disks will fool the process--in particular, the process
that runs the program "shell" that interprets the commands you type at the
"OS9:" prompt.

#: 10724 S15/Hot Topics
    17-May-91  22:01:39
Sb: #TC-9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: FRANK HOGG OF FHL 70310,317 (X)

HI FRANK, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN THE TOMCAT.PLEASE SEND ME TONS OF PAPER WITH
ADVICE PRINTED ALL OVER IT TO ENCOURAGE ME TO BUY A TOMCAT! MARK HAMILTON 1721
E. CAMPBELL PHOENIX,AZ.
          85016

THANKS, MARK

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#: 10746 S15/Hot Topics
    18-May-91  22:52:17
Sb: #10724-TC-9
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Done, now when you get this stuff you realise that you will have to buy one.

<g>

Frank

#: 10725 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-May-91  22:16:14
Sb: hard/floppy/serial
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

Dave - check your email... I just forwarded you a message from internet from
someone with some pretty good deals on what you're looking for.
  luck! - kev

#: 10730 S7/Telecommunications
    18-May-91  10:42:55
Sb: #Modem Problem
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: All

Can anyone help me with a small problem I'm having with my new modem and CIS? I
bought a Best Data Products SMART ONE 9632X V.32 9600 baud modem that is
currently connected to COM1 on my Tandy 3000 HL. I still have my 2400 baud
modem connected to the CoCo 3 and will move this 9600 to my MM1 when it arrives
 (soon I hope). Now for the problem. The new modem works fine EXCEPT after a
CISB+ file transfer. After the successful transfer I get no response from CIS
and even sending a CTRL-C gets a strange graphics character echoed back to my
screen. After a while, if I stay connected long enough, I get a Host Time Out
message. I don't normally stay connected that long because of the connect
charges. The files ARE successfully received and will unzip on the 3000 or the
OS9 files will un-AR on the CoCo. If I select Xmodem or Ymodem, everything
works great. I get normal responses from CIS after the transfer. This problem
happens when I call either the 2400 baud node or the 9600 baud number. On the
3000 I'm using PCPLUSTD for the term program. I prefer to use B+ transfers for
the speed (approx. 1K per sec.) but will drop back to Ymodem if I have to or
does CIS support Zmodem?

By the way, I asked this question almost two weeks ago in the IBMCOM forum
since the modem is being used with an IBM compatible. I never got a single
reply@and now the msg has scrolled off.

That says something for the attitude and friendliness of the CoCo/OS9 community

Thanks for any help.

Ernie.

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#: 10735 S7/Telecommunications
    18-May-91  17:25:31
Sb: #10730-#Modem Problem
Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302
To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X)

Earnie,
    Just a quick reply on your modem problem until I can check out something.
First, the people who wrote PCPLUSTD have their own forum here on CIS.  Just
type GO DATASTORM at any prompt, and post your question over there.  They are
very good at getting problems solved and are quite eager to go the "extra mile"
to make you happy.  They also have some good add-on things in their databases.

Second, it sounds like the CIS computers are waiting for your computer to send
something.  Try the following key-combinations in this order to see if you can
"wake-up" the connection:    <ENTER>, then <CONTROL-Q), then <ESC>.  Try these
on at a time, but if one doesn't work then try the next.

I will go try to down-load a short file using B+ to see how my rig works.  I
don't quite have the same set-up, but I do use PCPLUS version 1.1B.  It has
been a while since I used B+, and I forget if it acts like yours or not.

-Don Spoon-

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#: 10736 S7/Telecommunications
    18-May-91  18:35:02
Sb: #10735-Modem Problem
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X)

Thanks for the quick reply, Don. I'll try on the DATASTORM forum and see what
they have to say. Again, Thanks.

Ernie.

#: 10780 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-91  18:07:13
Sb: #10735-#Modem Problem
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X)

Don,
     I downloaded the Sept. 1988 version of PCPLUSTD  from the Datastorm Suppor
Forum and that cured my problem with B+ downloads. Everything seems to be
working OK now. Thanks for the help.

Ernie.



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#: 10782 S7/Telecommunications
    20-May-91  20:32:52
Sb: #10780-#Modem Problem
Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302
To: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117 (X)

Ernie,
     Glad you got it working OK.  As I said before, I am using the commercial
version 1.1B.  If you send in the sofware up-grade, that is what you get.  One
thing to note, that version was often less expensive via a software house (i.e.
Compuadd here) than you could get it from Datastorm!!  This was a fact that
THEY frequently pointed out to people on their Forum, and was a major factor in
me believing in them.  They have a new version 2.0 out now.  From what I have
heard, it is having some "new software" blues (bugs).  I elected not to get it
as version 1.1B is VERY solid and does all I want.

Cheers, -Don Spoon-

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#: 10791 S7/Telecommunications
    21-May-91  19:21:47
Sb: #10782-Modem Problem
Fm: Ernest Withers Jr. 71545,1117
To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X)

Thanks, Don.



#: 10734 S9/Utilities
    18-May-91  16:41:39
Sb: #Ramdisk
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: ALL

I am having trouble with my ramdisk (Kevin's rammer.bin) I did an ident on it
and it shows module header incorrect. What I am trying to do is get the largest
ramdisk possible on a 512k machine. Help> Br. Jeremy, CSJW

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#: 10743 S9/Utilities
    18-May-91  21:13:53
Sb: #10734-#Ramdisk
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Jeremy - perhaps it has some xmodem padding on the end or something... try
loading it, then saving it back out and see if ident comes up okay then.

The descriptor has been set up so that each "cylinder" = 8K of space, so you
can dmode cyl=xx  in hex numbers to whatever you'd like.  For example, 320K
would be 40 "cylinders" of 8K each, so that'd be "dmode /r0 cyl=28".

I think ;-)

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#: 10749 S9/Utilities
    18-May-91  23:42:19
Sb: #10743-#Ramdisk
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

I'll try that, although, the file as I got it was simply rammer.bin, it wasn't
arced, but I'll let you know. --Jeremy, CSJW

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#: 10756 S9/Utilities
    19-May-91  00:43:28
Sb: #10749-Ramdisk
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

The problem is in the rammer.bin file. The Rammer_Bin file from the 1987
Rammer.ar checks out properly under ident.

#: 10740 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-May-91  20:34:08
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Pete, I took out my deskmate disk (os9 version 2.00.00) and exited deskmate.
This puts me in the shell. Now a new problem, every command I type in comes
back error#216. I tried the ident /d0/os9boot on this disk and got the same
error. I also tried it onn my version 1.01.00 os9 system disk the boot file
doesn't contain m1 on  that one. It contains the following: IOMan   RBF  
CCDisk   D0   D1   D2   D3   SCF   CCIO   TERM   RS232   T1   PRINTER   P  
ACIAPAK   T2   PipeMan   Piper   Pipe   Clock SyssGo   Shell Can any of the
drivers in this bootfile be modified and rennamed to M1 or is that a whole
different thing? How can I get into the deskmate disk to find out what is in
the bootfile? I can't get any of the shell commands to work. Is there a
different set of commands  for the 2 different versions?

Thanks



Tom



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#: 10759 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  09:40:36
Sb: #10740-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

It sounds as if the deskmate disk is distributed with few (if any) of the stock
os9 commands. Not a real problem, though... do this:

   1) On original disk, type LOAD IDENT

   2) Remove original (normal os9) disk, and insert deskmate disk

   3) Type: ident /d0/OS9Boot (optionally output it to a printer if
      you have one ready by: ident /d0/os9boot >/p)

   4) Replace the deskmate disk with the original, and type:

       unlink IDENT

All this sequence does is place the ident command in memory so the system
doesn't have to hit the disk up for it.

I think I see where we're headed with all this, and it looks like two possible
courses of action:

  a) Find a real copy of OS9 2.0.0 so we can build you a kernel with
     M1 and it's device driver (I can't recall if that's ACIAPAK
     or MODEMPAK).

  b) Get an RS232 pak with an external modem connected to it. There
     are several advantages to this approach, but the most obvious
     is that you can go faster than 300 baud, and that you can use the
     serial port for other things as well (with A/B switches, etc.,
     like to use an X10 Powerhouse, or connect directly with another computer
     if you have one).

Let me know how the 'ident' goes.

Pete

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#: 10761 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  09:44:29
Sb: #10759-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

> I can't recall if that's ACIAPAK or MODEMPAK.

I just had to look this up for a guy over on CoCo. M1 uses ACIAPAK while M2
needs MODPAK.

Steve

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#: 10769 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  20:59:09
Sb: #10761-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve -

What's the general poop there? Are both /M1 and /M2 both for MODEM PAKs? Is
this to say that /M1 under ACIAPAK's control will manipulate the MODEM PAK, or
does it mean that /M1 is supposed to be a modem connected to the RS232 PAK?

Pete

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#: 10774 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-May-91  07:23:13
Sb: #10769-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

The way I understand it, both /m1 and /m2 are for the modempak. /M2 uses MODPAK
to manipulate the modem pak (and I believe is a virq device) while /m1 relies
on ACIAPAK.

Steve

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#: 10777 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-May-91  11:53:54
Sb: #10774-os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Thanks Steve.

#: 10770 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  22:03:14
Sb: #10759-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, Thanks for the information, I'll try this tonight and get back to you.
Thanks a a          Thanks again Tom

#: 10742 S5/OS9 Users Group
    18-May-91  21:00:03
Sb: need patch 0s9.
Fm: rick j. kelley 70632,2562
To: all os9 group

Does anybody know or have a patch for the older coco 2 games under os9 to rgb
monitor like interbank, robot odesy, biosphere, etc. for the coco 3? thanks.
Rick J. Kelley.

#: 10755 S1/General Interest
    19-May-91  00:41:08
Sb: Hires Pack
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: John Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Dear John

If they are not available, Rainbow had a Bill Barden article on the hi-res
interfaces, and as soon as I can find it, there was a graphic on modifying them
for the MAX-10. I will upload the info. This way if Tandy is our of it, or them
as the case may be, though I think the first is more accurate, people could
build their own. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142




#: 10757 S1/General Interest
    19-May-91  00:52:45
Sb: Os9 Level 2 BBS
Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430
To: ALL

Os9 Users
         The Fido Exchange Bulletin Board is running 24 hours 7 days a week at
1200 and 2400 baud.We have Online Games,Upload/Download Section.We support both
Rsdps and Os9 running on 40 meg hard drive.

                         The Fido Exchange
                         Vienna,Va
                         Fido Node# 109/353
                         (703)-573-2246
                         1200/2400 Baud.

#: 10762 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  15:01:32
Sb: #BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X)

HI JAMES, SO ACCORDING TO YOUR LAST MESSAGE I WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE; CHX
/D0/BASIC09 CHD /D0 ? AS YOU CAN SEE I'M STILL A LITTLE(?) CONFUSED ABOUT USING
COMMANDS IN OS9. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THOUGH, I'LL GET IT ONE OF THESE DAYS.
MARK

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#: 10765 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  17:57:09
Sb: #10762-BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Try chd /d0 and chx /d0/cmds --that should get you further along.  Also, give
serious thought to buying a copy of *Start OS-9*, which will take you through
stuff like this step-by-step.  (Not meaning to imply that you should go
away-keep asking questions!)

#: 10771 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-May-91  22:37:10
Sb: BOTCHED IT-OS9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X)

HI JAMES, THANKS FOR THE TIP. I HAVE A HARD TIME WORKING WITH THINGS LIKE THE
OS9 MANUAL WHEN ALL THEY TELL YOU IS SOMETHING LIKE "HERE, DO THIS" WITHOUT AN
EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY APPLY IT TO WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.THE OS9
TOUR GUIDE HELPED ME SOMEWHAT BUT I STILL FOUND IT LACKING TOO IN SOME AREAS.
ONCE AGAIN THANKS, MARK

#: 10781 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-May-91  19:05:14
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Pete, I tried ident like you said and outputted it to my printer, Here is what
I got.

IOMan   RBF   CCDisk   D0   D1   SCF   ACIAPAK   T2   PRINTER   P   CCIO   CO32
TERM   Clock  Sysgo   Shell These are all the modules listed onn the printout.
There is no M1, I looked  in the modem pak manual and it says that the M1
driver needs the modem pak in slot 1 because it uses a hardware interrupt. And
the m2 driver must be used in any slot except 1 because it used a polled
software interrupt.

It also says that os9 version 2.00.00 has these drivers. Is it possible that
deskmate has deleted them and the cmds file. If I were to copy the cmds file to
my deskmate  disk I  think it may allow me to use os9 commands. Do you know of
anyone out there  that may have a copy of the proper boot file to make my modem
work?

Thanks for your help


Tom




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#: 10790 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  17:09:02
Sb: #10781-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Actually, based on what Steve Wegert has cleared up for me/us, you should
probably be able to make a few simple changes to /T2 to make it an /M1. Or, you
could still call it /T2, but just make the adjustments (patches) to it to make
it functionally an /M1.

Steve - if you have the modules handy, could you generate a CMP output of the
two modules (under 2.0.0)? Hopefully they're the same size.

Tom - once we get the list of changes, you can apply them with debug, and we
can get going.

In the meantime, some tools that may also be useful in this venture are:

 dEd, mverify, bootsplit, lmerge, an/or Patch.

If you don't have them yet, do you have a way to download them from DL9 or DL10
and get them onto OS9 disks?

Pete

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#: 10792 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  20:42:25
Sb: #10790-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, I can't download a file and put it onto a disk unless the program has
line numbers. I have to download to the cassette buffer, save on tape, switch
to disk basic, load  the program into memory,and copy to disk. If it is an os9
type program or file, they usually don't contain line numbers and I can't
reload them under disk basic. I have to use the modem under extended basic
without the os9 system working right now so if these are not too long I could
take the file and output it to the printer and then type it in to os9 manually.

Otherwise I don't know how we could do it. Let me know when you and Steve get
the changes I need worked out then I can get this thing to work. Thanks for all
your help.



Tom



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#: 10796 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  23:23:40
Sb: #10792-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

I was somewhat afraid of that. In that case, we may have to:

a) Get the poop from Steve (or others)

b) Have you use debug to make changes to T2

c) Use SAVE to put a copy on disk with an updated revision number

d) Use VERIFY to get a proper CRC

e) Load the updated & revised version (after decrementing the in RAM copy's
revision number)

f) Do a COBBLER to generate a new boot.

Let's see what shakes with Steve.

Pete

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#: 10809 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  20:15:36
Sb: #10796-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, Do you know what the changes  are that would be needed for t2? Have you
heard anything from Steve on this? Thanks for the help.



Tom

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#: 10815 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-May-91  07:28:26
Sb: #10809-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Changes were posted yesterday morning. Give a shout if yu didn't find 'em.

Steve

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#: 10819 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-May-91  18:56:35
Sb: #10815-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I haven't seen them yet. Is this what pete told me to try?

Can you post them again so I can try it? Thanks



Tom

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#: 10821 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-May-91  07:06:35
Sb: #10819-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Type RI 10800 and the info you need is there.

With that data, and a general understanding of the level 1 debug comand you can
patch a copy of /t2 and make it /m1.

If you need help, give a shout.

Steve

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#: 10825 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-May-91  19:58:59
Sb: #10821-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

thanks Steve,

I'll give it a try and let you know how I make out. Thanks again.


Tom

#: 10800 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  07:32:27
Sb: #10790-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)


Pete,

Here's the output of the cmp on my m1.dd and t2.dd. Both should be stock 
versions and are of the same length.

M1.dd is the 1st column, T2.dd is the second.

Hope this helps!

Steve


 Differences

byte      #1 #2
========  == ==
00000010  6C 68     <----- change the address
00000027  01 06     <----- different baud rate value
0000002E  4D 54     <----- name 'm' vs 't'
0000002F  B1 B2     <----- high order '1' and '2'
0000003C  23 9E     |
0000003D  39 65     |<---- CRC
0000003E  12 5D     |

Bytes compared:   0000003F
Bytes different:  00000007

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#: 10804 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  16:58:48
Sb: #10800-os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Many thanks Steve - that's exactly what we needed! Tom, are you looking (and
writing this all down)?

Pete

#: 10783 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-May-91  23:10:13
Sb: #MicroWare info...
Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623
To: ALL

Well,

I've left three messages in Microware's forum including my work address and
phone number over the last three months asking (almost begging) for info on a
386 version of OSK.  Does anyone have a phone number for these guys?  Are they
still in business?  I'm not used to begging to buy someone's product but I'm
very interested in OSK and my company has a new product pow wow in September
that I'd like to prepare for by playing with it.

Any help would be appreciated.  The Microware forum seems to be a dead end...

thanx,

wgv


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#: 10784 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    21-May-91  00:09:29
Sb: #10783-#MicroWare info...
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: William Verthein 76557,3623 (X)

The MW forum isn't really a forum... more of a "display area".  Which means
they may not check the messages these days (I think they will after seeing your
message :-).

Their phone number is 515-224-1929, ask for the OS-9000 info and catalog.

best - kevin

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#: 10808 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    22-May-91  20:07:16
Sb: #10784-MicroWare info...
Fm: William Verthein 76557,3623
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Thanx a lot kevin!!!  I have been beating my head against that brick wall for
some time now.  Much appreciated...


#: 10788 S1/General Interest
    21-May-91  15:26:25
Sb: #B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646
To: ALL

Hallo,
I'm calling from Italy, so please excuse for my English.
I'm actually working on a project on CD-I.
The problem is that now I need something like B-Trieve that work under OS9.
Does anybody can help me????
Thank's from Ale


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#: 10921 S1/General Interest
    03-Jun-91  14:32:54
Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X)

Hello, Ale!   Your English is fine.

Hopefully, someone more into databases will know of something which can help
you out.

I'm very interested in hearing more about your CD-I project... can you tell us
any details?

thanks.. and I hope someone can help you.  regards - Kevin

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#: 10938 S1/General Interest
    04-Jun-91  07:11:08
Sb: #10921-#B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Hello Kevin !!!
Thank's for the reply.
Well....it's a long story about our project on Cd-I, so I'll tell you only
about our needs of B-Trieve.
In Italy we develop and produce software for Cd-Rom( products like
Enciclopedias, about Cooking, our last Cd-rom contain 1500 recipies with
images, Medical Cd-rom for the family also with images ......).
Now we would like to "import" some of these products on Cd-I and Commodore's
CDTV.We woluld like to do this as soon as possible, our information retrieval,
which we actually use for Cd-rom, is based on B-trieve, we would like to use it
also with Cd-I and the problem is that in Italy nobody knows about something
like B-trieve that works also on Cd-I.

Looking forward of hearing news from You....
Regards from Ale.

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#: 10971 S1/General Interest
    05-Jun-91  20:20:06
Sb: #10938-#B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X)

Your Btreive on a CD-Rom project is actually very similar to something I'm
working on myself (indexed storage and retrieval on Worm & MO's).  I would be
happy to port B-treive to OS9 FOC (free of charge), but I don't have the code
or better yet just tech spec's on the B-treve format.  I do have access to CD
players though, so I can test it out if somebody could get me the code or
specs...

Scott Griepentrog

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#: 11013 S1/General Interest
    10-Jun-91  06:36:26
Sb: #10971-B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335

Hello Scott,
thank you very much for your reply,I really hope you will help us.
I'm looking forward of hearing news from you.
Regards from Italy.
Ale

#: 10945 S1/General Interest
    04-Jun-91  17:47:21
Sb: #10788-#B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646 (X)

I'm not sure, but I think that IMS from Clearbrook Software Group may fit your
needs.  It's been a while since I read their docs but I'll see what I can find
out.

Lee

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#: 11014 S1/General Interest
    10-Jun-91  06:37:30
Sb: #10945-B-Trieve and OS9
Fm: Alessandro Peruzzo 100020,646
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Ok,
thank you very much.
regards from Italy.
Ale

#: 10793 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  22:03:31
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Pete, I have been playing around with both the Deskmate and os9 disks. The
deskmate disk cmds file does not contain most of the os9 commands. I have used
copy to add some of them to it and had success in doing so. It does however
list a bunch of commands in the directory that all start with dm (deskmate). I
don't know if these will be of any help but here is a list of what the cmds
directory contains without the ones I have added. STARTUP   Desk   DMmenu  
DMapps   DMcaln   DMcards   DMledger   DMpaint   DMterm   DMTEXT   DMalt  
DMdrv   DMprn   DMcal   DMtim   DMdsp DMopt   DMhelp   DMdskini   DMbackup  
format   DMmenu.hlp   DMcaln.hlp

DMcards.hlp   DMledger.hlp   DMpaint.hlp   DMterm.hlp   DMtext.hlp   DMalt.hlp

I so far have added : DIR   rename   MDIR   COPY   COBBLER   DELDIR   OS9GEN  
XMODE   BUILD. I don't know if any of this will help but I thaught I would fill
you in anyway. Thanks again for your help


Tom

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#: 10797 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-May-91  23:25:06
Sb: #10793-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

You'll also need: LOAD VERIFY and DEBUG.

Pete

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#: 10810 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  20:17:15
Sb: #10797-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

I'll add them tonight. Is there anything else I should copy to the deskmate
disk?

Thanks

Tom

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#: 10812 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  23:55:58
Sb: #10810-os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

Try booting that kernel, DON'T iniz T2. Then use debug (from another disk if
you need it) to apply those changes to an in memory copy of the T2 descriptor.
THEN INIZ T2 (or M1, if you apply the rename).

Now try it out with your modem pak & deskmate. If it works, just use cobbler to
throw a copy of this kernel on a new os9 disk and your done.

I'll be away for about a week, so perhaps Steve Wegert can help you from here
on in. Good luck! Sounds like you're 97.5 % of the way there.

Pete

#: 10802 S4/MIDI and Music
    22-May-91  09:41:43
Sb: #UltiMuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: all

Hi. I just received UltiMuse3 from 2nd City yesterday. I have already entered
my first score (O Sacred Head - a small hymn by J.S. Bach and others), which
should say something about its ease of use.
 I could not get it to read a file from within umuse3. I could enter the
filename as a command line argument, but if I attempted to read a file (from
the files menu), I got something very close to "DirRead: cannot malloc enuf"
and a "Press enter or click to continue" prompt. I have tons of free,
contiguous ram (performing mfree from the sub-shell in umuse3 gave over 200k)
as I have no windows or other shells running. I have tried forking it with "ex
umuse3", but the extra 8 or 16k didn't make a difference.
 Am I doing something wrong?
 BTW - I really, really like it!!
 Mark

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#: 10805 S4/MIDI and Music
    22-May-91  18:05:12
Sb: #10802-#UltiMuse3
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Let's see...could you perhaps have more stuff in the address space umuse3 is
running in than should be there?  Did you give an explicit memory allocation on
the command line?  (I think that one shouldn't.)

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#: 10816 S4/MIDI and Music
    23-May-91  10:19:53
Sb: #10805-#UltiMuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Thanks for the ideas. No, I didn't do "umuse3 #32k" - the manual explicitly
tells you not to (although, in an attempt to fix this, I *did* try it - it
didn't work <g>). We'll see what Mike says - I Unix mailed him, too since we
both work for AT&T.

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#: 10818 S4/MIDI and Music
    23-May-91  17:48:51
Sb: #10816-#UltiMuse3
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

I believe that Umuse works better without Shell+'s automatic allocation of 8K
of memeory.  There's a patch somewhere to disable that feature.

Hugo

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#: 10822 S4/MIDI and Music
    24-May-91  10:47:18
Sb: #10818-UltiMuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo,
 Bingo! Mike sent me e-mail this morning with the patch to shell+. I'll put it
in tonight and make sure it fixes it.
 Thanks,
 Mark

#: 10814 S4/MIDI and Music
    23-May-91  06:02:26
Sb: #10802-#UltiMuse3
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Mark, hang on for a response from Mike or call Ed at 2nd City.  That malloc
problem is a C language problem that has come up before (for me and others) but
I can't remember the fix.  It has to do with 8k sections of memory and how they
are used rather than gross memory availability.  You may learn something
helpful from the documentation that came with the software, but I suspect Mike
thought he'd killed the problem and doesn't mention it in the documentation. 
Great program, UltiMusE!  Ches.

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#: 10817 S4/MIDI and Music
    23-May-91  10:25:19
Sb: #10814-#UltiMuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Ok - thanks for the response. This morning, I started putting in another piece,
and decided to leave. When it asked if I wanted to save "" (I had not given it
a name, yet), I didn't know what to do, so I said "y", hoping to be prompted
for a filename - no such luck and I lost the file. Now I'm Sadder But Wiser :(
 Mark

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#: 10828 S4/MIDI and Music
    24-May-91  21:42:21
Sb: #10817-UltiMuse3
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Boy, Do I know that feeling!!!   Sorry about your loss, but it sure helps avoid
a similar problem next time, right?   Ches.

#: 10803 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-May-91  14:35:20
Sb: Interbank Incident
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: All

Can the Interbank Incident game be run in the CoCo 3/OS-9 Lvl 2 environment? Or
does it require the CoCo/OS-9 Lvl 1 (ver. 02.00.00) environment?

Lee



#: 10806 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-91  18:06:00
Sb: UUCP problems
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: All

.literal
OK everyone, I have a problem and I'd like to fix it. I am currently
running Mark Griffith's UUCP.  The problem is that it won't work
reliably for me.

Details:

1. My system is set up to RECEIVE calls from another Coco running 
   UUCP 2 towns over.  The other guy is also using Mark's software and
   he in fact provides a mail feed to another coco user as well.  They DO
   NOT experience any problems whatsoever.
2. My machine autoboots using the XT-ROM. GSHELL is started
   and is the only window open.
3. I have the following hardware/software:
   - 512K coco
   - Upgraded 26-3124 Multipak with pin-8's on slots 1 and 3 strapped.
   - Deluxe Rs232 Pak in slot 1
   - B&B RTC in slot 3
   - Diode IRQ hack between R2 and R7 (installed correctly)

This is my bootfile:
OS9p2 
OS9p3   <-- Prints out full error description
IOMan 
CC3Go   <-- STOCK
Clock   <-- Bruce Isted's Clock.60hz/Elim package
RBF 
RAM 
R0 
BBhdisk <-- Version 2.4
dd 
CC3Disk <-- Patched for PCDOS
D0 
D1 
SCF     <-- W/Kevins enhancements
VRN     <-- Bruce Isted's
Nil 
SACIA   <-- SACIA.mpi from Eliminator software
T2      <-- T2.sacia from Eliminator software
PRINTER 
P 
CC3IO   <-- From Bruce's SMOUSE package
WindInt <-- Patched to not mask interrupts
Term 
W 
W1 
W2 
W3 
W4 
W5 
W6 
W7 
W8 
W9 
W10 
PipeMan 
Piper 
Pipe 
Init    <-- Flightsim version
 n

#: 10807 S7/Telecommunications
    22-May-91  18:06:54
Sb: UUCP problems
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: All

The actual problem, which occurs about 90% of the time, is that my Coco
gets "stuck" when receiving data.  That is, a transfer starts, a couple of
packets get through, then my machine doesn't acknowledge.  I can make the
transfer start again by opening a window and typing DIR (sometimes more
than just once is required), or even pressing ENTER a couple of times.
Is anyone out there aware of anything that would cause this despite the
use of all the latest software and hardware upgrades??

Here is an XMODE of my T2 descriptor:

 nam=T2 mgr=SCF ddr=SACIA hpn=07 hpa=FF68 upc=00 bso=01
 dlo=00 eko=00 alf=01 nul=00 pau=00 pag=00 bsp=08 del=18
 eor=0D eof=1B rpr=09 dup=19 psc=17 int=03 qut=05 bse=08
 ovf=07 par=0C bau=04 xon=11 xof=13 col=50 row=18 xtp=05
 wnd=05 val= sty= cpx= cpy= fgc= bgc= bdc=

The kicker is that the Coco sending me the mail is pretty much
the same hardwarewise and softwarewise, except he uses GRFINT
instead of WINDINT.

Hugo Bueno  |     Delphi: MRGOOD
Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662
            |       UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
                     or   hugo@bluehaus.uucp
  

#: 10823 S4/MIDI and Music
    24-May-91  10:48:55
Sb: Ultimuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: all

I got e-mail from Mike K. this morning - the fix for my umuse3 problem is in
shell+, not umuse3. He gave me a patch and I'll try it this evening.
 Thanks for your help and ideas!
 Mark

#: 10827 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-May-91  21:18:50
Sb: ved/68k
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: All

For those of you who have ordered VED/68K, keep looking in your mailboxes since
the first shipments went out earlier this week.

And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, have a look at
the new product announcement in the Hot Topics Library. The file VED68K.TXT
gives all the details on this new editor.

#: 10829 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-May-91  22:01:49
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I wrote down the changes and have been trying for the last hour to make
them. I have never used the debug command before and I'm getting lost.I can not
seem to figure out how to make these changes. Any help would be welcome.
Thanks,


Tom



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#: 10857 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-May-91  08:23:05
Sb: #10829-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Just got back from a bit of vacation. Let me get my feet on the ground and I'll
grab a manual and see what help I can offer.

Steve

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#: 10859 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-May-91  20:34:45
Sb: #10857-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, Thanks I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks again.


Tom

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#: 10868 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-May-91  21:55:16
Sb: #10859-os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Bear with me as it's been a long time since I've used debug. I tend to
perfer dEd under Level II.

First, make sure you're booted up, have a copy of debug either in memory
or on a disk that your execution directory can find. Next, make sure
t2 is in memory (MDIR will confirm this).

I suggest you review page 161 and 162 in the orange Program Development 
guide that came with your level I OS9. Pay close attention to the 
section named 'Patching Programs'


Type DEBUG <enter>

1)  At the DB: prompt, type  L t2 <enter>          * this starts us off
2)  expect an address and a value to be displayed. Make note of the address.
3)  At thhe DB: prompt, type . .+10 <enter>        * that's . <space> .
                                                   * and move us 10 bytes in
4)  your starting address will be incremented by 10 and it's current
    contents will be displayed. In this case, it should be 68.

5)  At the DB: prompt, type =6c <enter>            * change 68 to 6C
6)  At the DB: prompt, type L t2 <enter>           * get a common ref. point
7)  At the DB: prompt, type . .+27 <enter>         * don't forget the space
8)  At the DB: prompt, type =01  <enter>           * if already 1, skip it
9)  At the DB: prompt, type L t2 <enter>           * rewind counter again
10) At the DB: prompt, type . . 2E <enter>         * you get the picture
11) At the DB: prompt, type =4d <enter>
12) At the DB: prompt, type =b1 <enter>
13) At the DB: prompt, type $SAVE temp m1          * save a copy of m1 as temp
14) At the DB: prompt, type $VERIFY u <temp >m1    * set the CRC and rename
                                                   * temp to m1
15) At the DB: prompt, type $ATTR m1 e pe          * set the attributes
16) At the DB: prompt, type $DEL temp              * clean up
17) At the DB: prompt, type q                      * I'm outta here!

At this point you have a modified t2 (now called m1) in memory. Fire up
Deskmate, choose m1 as your device and see if things won't work better.
If they do, use cobbler to make a new boot of the image you have in memory.

Let us know what happens.

Steve
                                                   


#: 10830 S1/General Interest
    25-May-91  08:01:56
Sb: #CoCo 3/XT-Case
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: all

Hello:

Can someone help me put a CoCo 3 - 512K into a XT-Case. I need some info on how
to do it!

Thanks

Keith

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#: 10839 S1/General Interest
    26-May-91  09:04:28
Sb: #10830-CoCo 3/XT-Case
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

~ Download ATCOCO.TXT in lib 10.  That sould tell you what's involved. I and
many others have done it and it's not difficult. it's just time consuming.

Mike

#: 10833 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-May-91  13:48:53
Sb: #s10/os9/6809 (CoCo)
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: All

I'm having a little trouble with DeskMate 3. I know thhis isn't the greatest
program around, but for $4.95 it could be handy in a side window. (WWith
DM,Basic09##32k, and a shell theres 200k left!) I was able to Config VDDG and
WIND together, then XMode'd printer baud,modpatched step rates, set montype and
Hi-Res mouse (using SRB's setype from CoCo Artist disk),and cobbled the whole
 meess. The only thing that hheld wass the stepping rate. DM uses the printer
at 2400baud, but none of the windowss do unless I XMode again. Also DeskMate
comes up in montype c and can't use thhe Hi-Res mouse at all(cursor wraps about
2 1/2 times). Even when I reset all of the above in startup, as soon ass I fork
DeskMate, it all goes away again!
 Can anybody help me do any of the following:
          a. Get XMode to hold or
          b. extend StartUp past the DeskMate command
          c. get DM to boot in RGB
          d. scaale the moouse for Hi=res
 Note: I've got DeskMate on a Apps disk in /d1 (My only double sided)). Is this
 messing up CONFIG.DESK?

I'm noticeing thhat third party programs usuaally work better than Tandy's own,
ie Lvl1 DynaCalc from 1985 runs in an 80 col window no sweat. Mebbe if Tandy'd
demanded thhhis kind of flexability in their own sooftware, thhhe CoCo wouldn't
be dead!
                  Thanx
                    Rick 70540,3305

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#: 10836 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-May-91  18:55:20
Sb: #10833-s10/os9/6809 (CoCo)
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick - the best bet would be to go into Library 10 here, and do a
 "bro /key:deskmate"

and see what pops up.  I just did, and DMHELP.AR and DM3.SCR (I think?) came
up.  The second fixes the mouse problem, at least.  The first may have some
other patches you need.  best - kev

#: 10837 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-May-91  18:56:42
Sb: #10833-s10/os9/6809 (CoCo)
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Ooops.. that was DESK3.SCR to fix the mouse and let DM3 run in any vdg window.
Some of the other files looked interesting too.

#: 10835 S5/OS9 Users Group
    25-May-91  16:16:42
Sb: Dynacalc
Fm: tom farrow 72701,543
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I have both l I and II operating from a 512 k coco3 with 2 dsdd drives one a
Tea ak and the second a Panasonic . The trouble is that my back up does not
boot nor does it respond to the chd or chx commands for running. I boot up on
my Cave Walker disk and then exit and chd /d0 chx /d0/cmds on my master disk
and get it started then I switch over to my backup . If this sounds somewha
what clumsy ---it is and occasionally I get a 232 error which is a crc error at
which time I retry. Also I would like to get Rogue up and going again this disk
has 232 error and the Zapper does not fix it. I hope that this is go good
enough for you to help. P.S. I CAN NOT BACK UP UNDER ANY METHOD INCLUDING L I
OR L II OR R.S. BASIC with out getting a lot of errors from sector $018 on
until I get tired of looking at the screen.
                             sincerely

                            Tom Farrow

#: 10838 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-May-91  22:30:07
Sb: need patch for rgb
Fm: rick j. kelley 70632,2562
To: all

TO ALL any one know of a rgb patch for old coco 2 os9 program to go on the coco
3 rgb? thanks. Rick Kelley 70632,2562

#: 10841 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-May-91  18:27:27
Sb: #Cocopro RS-232 pak
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Anyone

   Help!
           I bought one of those Marty Goodman RS-232 kits; the one
      that uses a modified Modpak. I wired the thing up; that
      wasn't too hard. I wired it to use addresses $FF6C thru $FF6F
      since I already have a Disto RS-232 pak hooked up. Both paks
      are installed in a multipak which has all the interrupts
      wired together. The diode hack that connects the interrupt
      line to the CPU is also installed. These hacks have been
      working fine for awhile now.
           So.... I thought that to address this new port all I had
      to do was make a new boot disk with a /t3 device descriptor on it
      that had its physical address modpatched to $FF6C.
      Apparently not: I get a 'module not found' error when I try
      to access it.
           If I just boot up with my old boot disk that only has
      /t2 on it, I can modpatch /t2 in memory and write to the pak
      at $FF6C. It works with a printer somewhat. By somewhat I mean
      that I don't really want to use it with the printer cause when
      I first turn my system on the printer sends a signal to this
      pak which it can't handle. The system locks; a reset fixes it
      however, and I can then boot OS9.
           So.... I tried this pak with my modem. In the instructions
      it says to set the modem to always produce a positive CD signal.
      Fine, but both the TXD and RXD lines go high and stay high if I
      do that.
           I think there is more wrong here than just a software
      problem, but my only question is about the software. How do
      I set up the boot disk to recognize two RS-232 ports ?

                             Tearing out hair,
                                               Paul




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#: 10842 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-May-91  18:57:37
Sb: #10841-#Cocopro RS-232 pak
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Paul - dump your /t3 descriptor... I bet it has "modpak" as the driver in it
instead of "aciapak".  Try taking a copy of t2 and patching it just to change
the name to "t3" and address to FF6C, and that should work.
 - kev

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#: 10850 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-May-91  13:30:56
Sb: #10842-Cocopro RS-232 pak
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

   You were right about the modpak thing. I will try your suggestion. I also
found my hardware problem- seems one side of that paper ground plane is
conductive, but so is the other side if you rub it with sharp things like IC
pins.
   And it's official sunburn season here at the Jersey shore. So you're not
alone.
                           Paul

#: 10848 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-May-91  00:38:41
Sb: #10463-#3 in 1 board
Fm: Ed Shearer 70242,65
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

I have a 4 in 1 board. The manual has pin 1 DCD  2 RXD   3 TXD  4 DTR  5 GND 6
DSR  7 RTS  8 CTS  9 /10  N/C. The pins on the board when the components are on
top and looking at the pins. (1) left side closest to board  (10) directly
above (1). (5) right side closest to board  (6) directly above (5).

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#: 10849 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-May-91  00:42:43
Sb: #10848-#3 in 1 board
Fm: Ed Shearer 70242,65
To: Ed Shearer 70242,65 (X)

In addition the DSR and CTS are always enabled as far as the RS232 is concerned
 and the RTS is always enabled as far as the modem is concerned. The DSR CTS
were not connected to the modem

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#: 10855 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-May-91  22:29:51
Sb: #10849-3 in 1 board
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: Ed Shearer 70242,65

Thanks Ed. In fact, I finally got through to Tony diStefano and worked it out
and have been using the port for several weeks now. Works fine, and it is nice
to finally have an OS9 terminal program and not have to use RSDOS to keep
transferring the files over all the time. I must say, though, that while STERM
works flawlessly and Quick B is very nice, Ultimaterm was a much more
sophisticated terminal program and I miss my auto log on strings. Even a couple
of hot keys would be nice. Anyway, thanks for the info.

#: 10852 S3/Languages
    27-May-91  19:04:20
Sb: Kreider clib
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Carl Kreider

   Carl,
         Here is a message you posted :


#: 10225 S1/General Interest
    12-Apr-91  10:31:41 Sb: clib bugs Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all

Recently there have been two bugs found in my 6809 library.  One is in ctime()
- I put it there when I fixed localtime().  The other is in the long division
routine - it is Microware's bug.

I will put up new versions of the libraries, but for those who don't want to
download the whole thing for these two bugs, here are patches.

For the ctime() problem:
 at offset $14c5 is 83 00 01 in both clib.l and clibt.l
 change that to     12 12 12

For the ldiv problem:
 at offset $617d is 6c 01 in clib.l
 or offset $7d02 is 6c 01 in clibt.l
 change that to     63 01

My apologies to all.

Carl
               Going through my disk, I find the values at $617d in clib.l
      and $7d02 in clibt.l to be 6c 61 and not 6c 01 as you stated. Is
      this just a typo ?
                                   Paul R.



#: 10853 S4/MIDI and Music
    27-May-91  20:39:28
Sb: #10459-Bad Download
Fm: Lester Hands 70135,430
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137

Bruce, unfortunately the LYRA3.AR program is only a demo and so not especially
useful. I had released it in hopes of getting some feedback to spur me on to
finishing it. That was over 3 years ago and the project was never taken up
again....

If you still would like to get the program, you can send me $3 and I'll mail
you a copy. You might want to consider Ultimuse 3 (OS9) or Lyra (RS-DOS) for
serious use!

Lester

#: 10860 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-May-91  21:37:46
Sb: #SCSI vs.XT hd controller
Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76
To: all

Does anyone have a SCSI controller on a COCO3?  What disk interface and driver
do you use?  Is there any advantage over the XT type controller (MFM drive,
DISTO [and B&B?] interface) or whatever controller that LRTech (through
Owlware) uses with its old interfaces (Xebec something not 1410)?  I know that
a SCSI controller/drive would prepare for a bigger machine, but I have MFM
drives, and don't have the money now.

Sandy

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#: 10861 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-May-91  22:19:31
Sb: #10860-SCSI vs.XT hd controller
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 (X)

The folks I recall as having SCSI setups for the CoCo are RGB and KenTon.
Advantages?  Well...as you mention, SCSI hardware will move to other hardware
readily.  Also, one can get some pretty respectable SCSI hard drives these
days--back when I got a 30Mbyte RLL drive for my CoCo, I shelled out $300+ for
a 30 Mbyte, 65 ms, 5.25" half-height drive that was rather noisy, and then I
needed to spend $100 for an Adaptec RLL controller.  That was--gee, I guess
maybe three years ago.  Now, for less than the total $$$ on that, I can get a
105 Mbyte, 15 ms, 3.5" drive less than an inch thick, with on-drive cache and
embedded SCSI controller.  Four times as fast, three times the capacity, eats
less power, and costs less $$$.

Next thing--SCSI isn't just for disk drives; there are SCSI tape drives (if one
could just get SBF for OS-9/6809...sigh), SCSI printers, Tony DiStefano's frame
grabber that was demoed at the IMS booth at RAINBOWFest hooked up to the SCSI
bus.  So...if one has the appropriate software, one can use a variety of I/O
hardware with SCSI.

SCSI devices can also be told to go do something among themselves without
bugging the "master" until it's done, but I don't know whether anyone's written
the software needed to set up that kind of I/O.

#: 10862 S4/MIDI and Music
    29-May-91  00:00:43
Sb: #MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: all


I just posted a file in LIB 4 called 'MFF10.AR':

A TEST version of MFF10 is archived here in this file.  It has the same syntax
as MFF120 (provided in MFFCP.AR):

    MFF10 [output.mf0] <input.mf1

The output filename will default to 'tmpout.mf0' if not specified.  The input
filename (redirected as shown) is (still) absolutely required at this time.

Use MFF10 in place of MFF120 when the latter issues an error message about the
MFF1 input file being too big and needing too much memory.

..

I have tested MFF10 written with standard C library calls (e.g. 'fseek()',
'fread()', etc.).  The same 90k test file took 18 minutes.  The version
archived here is using the OS9 System calls ('lseek()', 'read()', etc.).  This
is about a 16% time savings when we stay away from C's automatic buffering.

Which brings me to an OS9 technical question that I *do* need answered:  With
the random accessing provided by OS9, say I need to read Byte #287 (decimal)
and then Byte #291 and then maybe Byte #259 (these byte-offsets would be in the
same 256-byte block after the physical I/O gets Byte #287).  In MW C language,
I do a 'lseek(pn,lngpntr,0)' before doing a 'read(pn,&buffer,1)' for each &
every byte.  The 'pn' file is opened read-only so OS9 should not keep track of
locked records etc.  The question is whether OS9 bothers to do further physical
I/Os (past the first one) for the second & third 'lseek/read' -- is OS9 smart
enough to know the 256-byte buffer *already* has the second & third bytes
needed and thus has an "efficiency" or "mini-cache" facility (sort of) built
into the o.s.?  (Please note I'm *not* talking about C's automatic buffering.
I'm asking whether OS9 itself will superfluously perform further physical I/O
when it's not needed in this manner.)

If this isn't true, I'd like to try enhancing the throughput in this manner
before making a final version of MFF10 available to everyone.  It should boost
the "speed" a bit more, and since some of us po' folk can't afford the new
horsepower, would it be worthwhile to include this logic?  Please, if you know,
let me know!

-- Thx, Paul SeniurA(Xw

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#: 10866 S4/MIDI and Music
    29-May-91  20:58:29
Sb: #10862-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

"Is OS-9 smart enough to know that the 256-byte buffer *already* has the second
& third bytes needed... ?"

Yes, RBF notes if an operation can occur within a sector it already has in
memory.  You can check this easily yourself with a simple Basic09 program:

 PROCEDURE Test
 DIM path:INTEGER
 DIM d(64):BYTE
 OPEN #path,"/d2/testfile":READ
 LOOP
 INPUT k$
 GET #path,d
 ENDLOOP

Change the filename to suit.  The program will read 64 bytes each time you hit
the Enter key.  By watching the floppy (or hard disk) light, you can see that
the disk is read only once every 4 times (64*4=256 bytes).  - kev

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#: 10978 S4/MIDI and Music
    06-Jun-91  00:08:56
Sb: #10866-MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)


Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the idea.  I need to stick a SEEK in front of the INPUT to
emulate what we're doing in the MFF10 program -- the logic could actually make
the file's location pointer go backwards but still in the same sector.  If RBF
is doing this "work" for me, I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to enhance the
performance of this program.  Other operating systems might not have RBF's
smarts, but that's *their* problem!  :-)

It's funny how fseek/fread does its buffering like this but it adds enough
extra executed code to introduce a very noticable amount of time to do the same
thing when compared to lseek/read.  Hmm, if Carl Kreider's libs are stable
enough, I could relink all these programs and see how they behave ... hmmm...

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



#: 10896 S4/MIDI and Music
    01-Jun-91  11:57:00
Sb: #10862-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, I have a problem with MFPlay (I think).  I used MFF10 to change a .mid
file to a .mff0 file - no problem.  I then used MFPlay.mem to play the file but
it bombed out because the .cmf0 file was too large to load.  I went back to
MFPlay and the file played, but was unacceptable because of the time taken for
disk i/o activity.  I started rammer and then got 'error openning '/midi path'
error.  Apparently there is some kind of conflict between mfplay, my midi
driver, and rammer (/r0).  If I deiniz r0, mfplay works again, but if I iniz
r0, it can't find /midi.  (Similar problem with MTPanel and MIDI editor so the
problem is not likely to be unique with MFPlay).  Any ideas???  Ches. P.S. I
think you asked who the MT32 editor guru was - Jonathan Cluts is his name.  I
sent him a message and urged his continuing with the editor, but his interests
were elsewhere at the time.  chl



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#: 10979 S4/MIDI and Music
    06-Jun-91  00:11:33
Sb: #10896-#MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)


Hi Ches,

I really hate to say that I've not been impressed with the Rammer software.  I
ditched it quite some time ago -- actually when Tandy released the Development
package with its own VDisk drivers.  An outside company released a patch not
too long ago to fix a bug with it, and I've not had any problems one little bit
since.  (That patch is around here somewhere, but I can't remember offhand
where or the name of that company.)  The only thing about Tandy's version is
that once you INIZ it, it's ready to go, and it won't allow any Format
operations.  (I just DELDIR the heck outa it!)

Run MDIR when you have INIZ'd /R0 and see if it is clobbering anything.  Both
MFplay versions are openning the /MIDI path the *very* same way -- the only
code that is changed is how we read in the input CMF file, either in small
chunks (set by the length fields) or in one huge chunk (in the MFPlay_mem
version).

I don't know what else it could be.  Even RiBBS v2.0 uses /R0 very effectively
(once I got Ron Bihler to fix a big bug in his message editor!).  And of course
I d/l with STerm and SuperComm to /R0 all the time, capturing messages etc.

Let me know what you find out.  And see if you can install Tandy's version but
do find the fixes for it here somewhere.

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



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#: 10985 S4/MIDI and Music
    07-Jun-91  06:50:00
Sb: #10979-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Thanks for the tips, Paul, I'll let you know what develops.  Ches.

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#: 10991 S4/MIDI and Music
    08-Jun-91  01:54:52
Sb: #10985-#MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

I was thinking about your problem some more ... it might be that MDIR will show
everything just fine when you have your Rammer going.  If /MIDI is not openning
while Rammer is being used, I'll bet OS9 cannot grab enough system memory to
build a device-memory buffer for /MIDI.  If you have Kevin Darling's UTIL
programs (they're here on CIS), SMap will show the allocation of system RAM at
the time it is run.  It's got to be something like that -- Rammer is obviously
gobbling the RAM up there.  Does the disk version of MFPlay print an error
other than #001 when this happens? -- Thx, Paul Seniura.



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#: 11002 S4/MIDI and Music
    09-Jun-91  10:39:21
Sb: #10991-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

I'll have to dust off Kevin's utilities and take a look.  I have tried the
Tandy RAM and R0 with identical results.  I've tried reducing the amount of
memory used, but I suspect it has to do with block use rather than the more
general memory usage.  To remind you (for what it's worth), the problem began
with the recoding of mfplay to play from memory.  The only error is 001 and
opening is misspelled as openning which might help you to find where it is
being triggered (openning MIDI error or some such similar message).  Related
topic, I've looked all over the MIDI forums for the PolySoft stuff without
success.  Could they only be on Delphi?  Since I don't subscribe there, could
you upload the demo to dl4 here?  Regards, Ches.

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#: 11025 S4/MIDI and Music
    11-Jun-91  00:01:36
Sb: #11002-#MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Ches, I swear I got the PolySoft file from GEnie's MIDI area myself.  You
almost have to use keyword search there cuz the way they work you could miss
it.  Or look for a filename like 'MT32ST.ARC' or use 'ATARI' for the keyword.
We've been told it's not authorized to be shared in the normal manner.  I also
swear I saw it in the CIS MIDI SIG here, too - I've seen it in both places not
very long ago, but I'll be darned if I can find it now (I just tried tonight).
Could it be they yanked it so soon or went out of business?  It's been at least
3 months since I've toyed with those things, but I believe they were originally
uploaded in Nov.'90.  If you still can't find 'em, ask the SIGops what has
happened, and if it's impossible to find out, I don't know what to do since
they have restricted rules in sharing those things.  (I wonder if sharing the
converted files shouldn't have been done, too?)  I still have my copy of the
original .ARC on my CoCo3 system if someone will just tell me what I can/can't
do with it!  -- Thx, Paul Seniura.

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#: 11030 S4/MIDI and Music
    11-Jun-91  06:24:38
Sb: #11025-MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464

The CIS/MIDI sysop reloaded my message asking anyone that might know what
happened to PolySoft and expressed his lack of awareness of the firm. Too bad. 
I have bought a three-song disk from Music Data, 625 Miramontes St., Half Moon
Bay, CA 94019 (order line 1-800-443-3210) which includes their version of In
The Mood, and it is quite good.  The Music Data arrangement has a fuller band
sound than the PolySoft version, but I still like the PS version just a tad
better.  I guess I'll just give up on PolySoft, at least for now.  If they are
out of business, it makes no sense wondering about them, and if they are in
business, eventually the name will show up again.  Thanks - Ches.

#: 11005 S4/MIDI and Music
    09-Jun-91  17:55:02
Sb: #10991-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, on the PolySoft query, I should have said GEnie.  On the ram error, some
additional thoughts.  R0 is an RBF dd and MIDI is a SCF dd.  I would not expect
any interaction between them.  The problem comes after iniz and before format,
that is mfplay works before R0 is inized but not after it is inized.  Doesn't
matter about the formatting.  If I dmode and format a large ramdisk, then I get
an out of memory error, but I get the 001 error before using significant
memory.  Does this signify some kind of problem in reading or writing to MIDI
and/or R0??  Is there one kind of read/write command for RBF and another for
SCF devices?  And why does the system view /R0 as different from /D0 or /H0??? 
I must go back and check the dd for those, but I seem to remember them to be
the same as R0.  Could it be in the device driver??  Thanks for looking.  Ches.

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#: 11026 S4/MIDI and Music
    11-Jun-91  00:03:43
Sb: #11005-#MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)


Well, it should not matter at all.  I use Tandy's modules with a patch from a
company who found the blocksize error - it wasn't getting enough 8k blocks to
fill out the entire size of the virtual disk.

Ok, the last resort is to get with the dude who wrote your MIDI driver itself.
I wrote my own drivers, as you might guess from the ACPDS7.TXT file I've posted
here.  (I am balking at sharing it due to "no response" from my pleas for help
on all three networks!  And sadly-lacking OS9 manuals with full descriptions of
the Get/Putstat calls.)

I'm surprised you'd try to run MFPlay with MultiVue.  When MV is running, it
has that mouse going all the time, I think.  That steals CPU cycles as well as
IRQs.  If the 60-Hz cycles don't come through, for F$Sleep delays, we could end
up missing some beats and the songs won't get played as accurately.  In fact,
I'm still having trouble getting the real busy songs playing without a
noticeable slow-down, and I'm using a modified RS232 pak and hard-wired IRQ
line, and tight efficient code in my ACIA driver with big I/O buffers.

Well, let me know if you find out what that conflict turns out to be!

-- Thx, Paul Seniura.



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#: 11031 S4/MIDI and Music
    11-Jun-91  06:30:00
Sb: #11026-MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464

Using mfplay_mem under multi-view shows no sign of slowdown except when I
"clear" from one screen to another.  Of course, the slowdown may be occurring
but just too little to be noticeable.  Running mfplay and /r0, I think I sense
a little slowdown in the PolySoft In The Mood selection, but I doubt a casual
listener would spot it.  My sensitivity has been honed a bit by listening to
that song through your various versions of mfplay as the delays became smaller
and smaller.  Thanks for the responses.  Ches.

#: 11016 S4/MIDI and Music
    10-Jun-91  07:08:14
Sb: #10991-MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, it is tough when memory fails (either computer or human) - please accept
my apology for blaming my problem on mfplay!!!  When you first recommended
using a ramdisk some weeks (months?) ago, I found that there was some sort of
conflict between /midi and /r0 when I was running with MultiVue.  If I don't
start MV, no conflict between /midi and /r0.  Still don't know why, but if I go
without MV all works well.  Again, my apologies for wasting some of your time
on a problem not of your responsibility. And thanks once more for creating a
way to hear standard MIDI files. Regards, Ches.

#: 10942 S4/MIDI and Music
    04-Jun-91  12:15:40
Sb: #10862-#MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Paul, could you upload the PolySoft demo in the SMF or MFF format?  I'd like to
see what the music looks like in print and I can't do that with the CMF files.
Thanks,  Ches.

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#: 10980 S4/MIDI and Music
    06-Jun-91  00:12:53
Sb: #10942-#MFF10.AR
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)


That PolySoft stuff should be in the MIDI SIG here and on GEnie -- I grabbed
the Atari ST file and I think it was called MT32ST.ARC.  Other versions are
there, too, like for Cakewalk & Macs etc., so I found that the ST archive had
MFF1s sitting there waiting to be played.  And that archive had a small ReadMe
file which had that phone number I typed to ya.  (Their private SIG is on
GEnie.  I haven't logged on in quite some time, and if that phone # doesn't
work, I can only ask on GEnie what has happened.)

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



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#: 10986 S4/MIDI and Music
    07-Jun-91  06:51:06
Sb: #10980-MFF10.AR
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Thanks for the lead - I'll go look.  Ches.

#: 10865 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-May-91  20:17:56
Sb: #TC-9
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: FRANK HOGG OF FHL 70310,317 (X)

FRANK, I GOT YOUR BROCHURE AND A MILLION MORE QUESTIONS. BE LOOKING FOR
SOMETHING IN THE POSTAL MAIL FROM ME. MARK

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#: 10870 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-May-91  22:28:18
Sb: #10865-TC-9
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

OK... but a million???

<g>

#: 10867 S7/Telecommunications
    29-May-91  21:04:10
Sb: #sacia & uucp
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To:  76625,2273 (X)

Bruce,

Finally got my uucp to work right.  The solution was to disable the
hi-res mouse.  I was running uucp in the background with gshell
as the only main, open window.  Someone on Delphi dropped that hint
along with an explanation that the mouse takes more and more cpu time
the further it is from 0,0.  I guess even SACIA coudln't deal with that.
 
All the while I was looking in the wrong places....

To all:

I promised Mark Griffith that I would say this:

  A couple of times, I left messages here indicating that I was having
  trouble getting Mark's uucp to work.  I just want to clarify that I 
  didn't mean I had trouble with his actual program.  What I meant was
  that I was having trouble making my set-up work with his obviously
  well written and debugged software!  Sorry Mark!

Hugo

-------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<----
Hugo Bueno  |     Delphi: MRGOOD
Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662
            |       UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
            |        or   hugo@bluehaus.uucp
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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#: 10897 S7/Telecommunications
    01-Jun-91  18:45:56
Sb: #10867-#sacia & uucp
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

 HB> Finally got my uucp to work right.  The solution was to disable the
 HB> hi-res mouse.

Hugo,
  I'm glad to hear you've got things sorted out.  Just to complicate things, I
thought I'd ask if you're using the standard joystick version of "my" CC3IO
patches?  The SMOUSE.AR package patches might alleviate your hi-res joystick
problem, but no guarantees!
  Bruce

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#: 10900 S7/Telecommunications
    02-Jun-91  08:36:53
Sb: #10897-sacia & uucp
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X)

Bruce,

Yes, I am using the updated cc3io (patched via cc3io.joy.ipc).

Hugo
-------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<----
Hugo Bueno  |     Delphi: MRGOOD
Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662
            |       UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
            |        or   hugo@bluehaus.uucp
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#: 10869 S3/Languages
    29-May-91  22:24:06
Sb: #C_Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All

OH SAY CAN YOU "C"...? Sorry I couldn't resist. I am in the process of working
on a program called MVWORD. I recently uploaded a file (MVWORD.AR). I am
currently working on the dialog boxes. While I am writing this in BASIC09, the
current version of GFX2 does not easily allow for Dialog Boxes (radio buttons,
etc..hint, hint KD?) I noted that on page 12 of ver 7 of Mike Sweets CFGX
library reference, there is an example of some code for dialog box functions.
At the moment I do not have access to a C compiler, but I was wondering if some
one did, I you might be willing to make a small demo program using this code
and upload it? In fact, if one of the C-programmer's out there would be willing
to write some demo programs using the CGFX library and post both the source and
the executable modules (I hope that's the correct terminology) it would be of
great help to all of us struggling C programmers. Thank you for your help,
Brother Jeremy, CSJW . CIS 76477,142

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#: 10876 S3/Languages
    30-May-91  11:15:31
Sb: #10869-C_Help
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

~ There's quite a bit of source code (in C) in DL10 that uses CGFX.L. Grab
EDPTR.AR, SKEL.AR, to name just a few...   They'll get you started.

Mike

#: 10877 S3/Languages
    30-May-91  11:15:37
Sb: #10869-#C_Help
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

~ Almost forgot, there's a good dialog box routine in EDCON.AR also.

Mike

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#: 10880 S3/Languages
    30-May-91  23:07:29
Sb: #10877-#C_Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike it was so good to meet you at the "Fest". Thank you for your advice. I
hope that before too long, I might have some real code to upload for MVWORD.
--Br. Jeremy, CSJW

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#: 10886 S3/Languages
    31-May-91  11:11:06
Sb: #10880-#C_Help
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

~ You quite welcome!   Nice to meet you at the Fest too!  Did you get the C
compiler yet?  Or are you still  looking for it?

Maybe EDCON.AR is a revision without the source code?  Anyway, a very simular
routine IS in edptr.ar.  I'm sure cause I uploaded it.

Mike

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#: 10888 S3/Languages
    01-Jun-91  00:53:02
Sb: #10886-#C_Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

I have the compiler. At the moment my system is set up with 2 40tr. ss drives,
and 512k of memory. I have to just find a block of time when I can sit down and
put a systems disk together. Of course if the Lord provides, a hard drive,
40tr. dobule sided drives, a onemeg upgrade, etc. my life would be easier.  I
have gathered together various hints on the compiler, so it is mainly a matter
of choosing what would work best for me. Any suggestions? --Br. Jeremy, CSJW.

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#: 10923 S3/Languages
    03-Jun-91  19:03:53
Sb: #10888-#C_Help
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Well,  Do you have Tandy Drives on your CoCo?  If they are FD-502's they are
double sided.  You just need to make a boot with the dual sided descriptors in
them and fix the drive cable.  If they're FD-501's then they're single sided.

Personally I like the CC.AR in DL 3 as a front end to the CoCo compiler. es /R0
for temporary files and really speeds up compiles.  If you run into any Q's,
just fire 'em this direction.

Mike

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#: 10996 S3/Languages
    08-Jun-91  11:16:15
Sb: #10923-C_Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Unfortunately they are '501's. -Jeremy, CSJW.

#: 10881 S3/Languages
    31-May-91  00:24:46
Sb: #10877-C_Help
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

I dl'd the EDCON program, but it does not include the C source, and there did
not seem to be any dialog boxes within it. Is it possible that the older
version 2.0 I think, had these. --Br. Jeremy, CSJW

#: 10878 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    30-May-91  13:02:22
Sb: #10334-#Amiga 68K
Fm: John P. Huston 70000,1033
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,

I, too, would love to get a copy of OS9 for the Amiga. I started
using OS9 with the CoCo, and have missed it since being moving to
the Amiga. Is there a GUI for the Amiga version as well (as there
is for the CoCo version)? Also, I think the last time I asked about
an Amiga version there still was no graphics or sound library. Has
that changed??

Ok...ok...lots of questions <grin>!

John


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#: 10879 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    30-May-91  14:06:53
Sb: #10878-Amiga 68K
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: John P. Huston 70000,1033 (X)

John - we're working on a GUI for the 68K machines (and of course, there's also
RAVE from MW which could be ported, and G-Windows, and MGR, and X, etc), but
the main thing stopping us on the Amiga is that we don't have the Amiga OS9
port in hand here in the US.  People are working on this tho.

You're not alone, btw... I get a lot of email here on CIS and on the Internet
from Amiga owners who'd like to be using OS-9 again.  Many of the better Amiga
OS commercial programmers came from the coco/os9 world, also.

cheers - kev

#: 10887 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    31-May-91  20:57:57
Sb: #os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I tried the changes and made a bootfile on a new disk and when I tried the mdir
command I found that I no longer have a t2 and I don't have an m1 eithor. I
tried the debug commands and cobblered a disk 3 times with the same result each
time. What went wrong?


H E L P !!!


Thanks

Tom

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#: 10894 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jun-91  09:58:44
Sb: #10887-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)


Tom,

This is now getting to the tough stage.

I would have expected you don't have a t2 any longer .... that's what you were
changing. It should have been rename into m1. Do you spot some 'unknown' module
hiding in memory? That might give us a clue.

When you were doing the debug, did the values that were displayed match those
in column 2? If not, perhpas you have a different
 /t2 than I have.

Do a MIDR right after making all the debug changes and see what's there.

Steve

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#: 10898 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jun-91  19:51:19
Sb: #10894-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I tried a mdir after I was done and I had all the modules I started with
except t2. I also did not have an m1. I have made a new backup of my deskmate
disk and am ready to try again. The values were the same I think, I'll try it
again and let you know if I find any differences. Do you know what version of
deskmate or os9 that has m1 already? This is getting frustrating. Is there any
other software that will work with the modem pak and allow me to use disk? I
could download files and copy  them to os9 later if they were on disk to begin
with. Maybe it is time to try somthing new, what do you think? Cann we fix this
or is it a lost cause?

I don't have the answer, do you? Thanks for all the help.

Tom

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#: 10901 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  09:42:51
Sb: #10898-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

This type of project via modem is difficult at best. So many places to go
wrong! :-)

Review docs on debug and cobbler and try again, paying close attention to the
values that debug spits out. This is fairly straight forward in theory ... but
in practice, can get hairy.

In the meantie, I'll review my steps and see if I've led you down a wrong path
(perhaps Pete and others can do the same. Nothing like a confirming opinion to
keep your interest up!

REgarding other software working with the modem pak: You still need /m1. If
your copy of Level I has a module drectory ... check there.

Steve

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#: 10906 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  19:09:22
Sb: #10901-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I agree, it is diffucult, I will try again as I have had no success so
far and get back to you. Meanwhile would you consider selling a copy of os9 or
even the bootfile with m1 installed? Sounds simpler to me. If my local Radio
Shack had it I would buy it because I'm sick of playing with  this. It's
getting old if you know  what I mean.

Thanks for the help.

Tom

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#: 10908 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  20:10:39
Sb: #10906-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

'fraid I can't be selling something I don't have the rights to ... if you know
what I mean.

Pete's offered another suggestion .... do an Ident on the bootfile and make
sure all the CRC are cool.

Hang in there, we'll get you going.

Steve

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#: 10909 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  20:32:17
Sb: #10908-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

GUESS WHAT? I AM ON DESKMATE WITH MY MODEM RIGHT NOW. I TRIED AGAIN AND FOUND A
MISTEAK THAT I MADE. NOW I HAVE COBBLERED A NEW DISK AND TRIED IDENT ON IT AND
THE CRC IS READING BAD SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL WORK. M1 IS THERE BUT IT HAS
A BAD CRC. WHAT NEXT?

TOM STEVE,

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#: 10910 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  20:45:43
Sb: #10909-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Cool!

See! ... I told you we'd get there!

Now .. lemme ask. When you saved the patched m1 module ... did you use VERIFY
and the u option? That's critical. The u option tels verify to UPDATE the CRC.

If all else fails, you can patch the CRC manually. The last 3 entries in our
list _is_ the CRC. Just review the steps that got you to this point, and you
should be home free.

Steve

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#: 10912 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  21:37:25
Sb: #10910-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, I'm back to the modem pak direct without deskmate. I did save the
updated m1 module and did use the verify u . I tried making a new deskmate disk
with the one I used cobbler on and after copying all the files manually to it
(time consuming) I fired it up and tried it . M1 doesn't exist on it. The
cobbler didn't put it in the bootfile. If I update the crc manually,  do I need
to use verify too? I am so close now I just want to finish this thing. Thank
you for your help  with this project. I would not  have gotten this far without
it.

Thanks again


Tom

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#: 10917 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  07:30:43
Sb: #10912-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

By updating the CRC manually, you'll not need to use VERIFY.

I'm at a loss tho, why VERIFY didn't work.

Steve

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#: 10920 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  13:53:17
Sb: #10917-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

STEVE,

I GOT IT !!!!! Let me explain, I once again went thru the debug routine. Only
this time I didn't use verify I just saved it. I then followed the instructions
in the commands manual for verify from the shell. Then I used os9gen to build a
new bootfile that has both m1 and t2, and GOOD crc values on both. I then made
a new deskmate system disk which I am using right now. It's over , we did it
and I would like to offer my thanks to you and Pete. Without all the help you
guys gave me I never would have gotten this to work. Thanks again.

Tom

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#: 10930 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  21:18:45
Sb: #10920-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Pete

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#: 10932 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  21:51:47
Sb: #10930-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

you like that huh.

#: 10939 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  07:23:57
Sb: #10920-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Awwwright!

Stuff like this always appears harder at first that it actually is. I'll bet
you're an expert at building bootfile and patching modules now! Two good skills
for any OS9'r!

Steve

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#: 10948 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  21:19:22
Sb: #10939-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, It was easier than I thaught, (expert) I don't know, but I did learn
somthing.

I ran into a different problem you may have the answer for. (oh no here comes
trouble) I was on another forum last night and someone invited me to join them
and I have no idea how to. Do you? Just thaught I'd ask. Thanks again for all
your help, If you are ever in the MA/RI area look me up , I'll buy you a beer.
Thanks again. Tom

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#: 10960 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  07:16:20
Sb: #10948-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Ahh! An easy one!

If you've received the JOIN message while in the forum, some folks in the
COnference area have INVITED you to JOIN their group.

Enter the CO area, select the room number where they reside (you can issue a
USER commad if you need help) and type /JOIN (don't forget the slash. All CO
commands must be preceeded with a slash).

For more help on CO and it's goodies, enter a /? inside COnference for online
help.

Steve

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#: 10966 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  19:00:41
Sb: #10960-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Don't want you to work too hard. Thanks for the info.

Tom

#: 10918 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  07:34:57
Sb: #10912-os9/telecomm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Hmmm .... just a thought, Tom:

Have you done an IDENT on the module you saved or just what's in memory?

If the save module is good, what you might try is booting up a fresh copy of
OS9 and loading the new module in memory, and then cobblering up a new boot.

IF you're running cobbler before you ditch the old version in memory, or even
if you're trying to load the new on on top of it (won't work) the bad CRC will
keep it from moving during cobbler.

Steve

#: 10904 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  10:42:12
Sb: #10898-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

Sounds as if the patch wasn't accepted properly... the CRC of the M1 or T2
module is probably bad in the bootfile, and thus isn't accepted at boot/load
time. Try doing an IDENT /d0/os9boot on one of the newer bootfiles.

Pete

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#: 10907 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  19:14:20
Sb: #10904-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, I'll try and let you know what happens. As I told Steve I'm getting sick
of playing with this and at this point I'll try anything. So far I have had no
success annd have managed to  destroy 1 bootfile compleatly . Thank god for
backups huh? I've made so many I'm loosing track of which ones are good and
which ones aren't . I think it may be time to go shoppinng for software, do you
have any? I don't know what else to try. Thanks for the help.


Tom



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#: 10929 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  21:15:48
Sb: #10907-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

At this point, why not send a coco'er (perhaps Steve) a floppy & postage and
have them gen together the appropriate bootfile for you? May save what's left
of your hair.

Pete

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#: 10931 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  21:50:39
Sb: #10929-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, How did you know I was going Bald? I got it working today, I found the
problem with the debug routine and after creating the m1 module I os9genned a
bootfile that contains both t2 and m1. I made a new deskmate disk today and am
using it now. Thanks for all your help. I couldn't have gotten to this piont
without you and Steve. Thanks again


Tom

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#: 10947 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  18:33:25
Sb: #10931-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

No problem.

Pete

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#: 10949 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  21:23:02
Sb: #10947-#os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

Just wanted to say thanks again. You ready for another? How do I respond to
someone when I am invited to join them?

This happened to me and I didn't have a clue. Also like I told Steve if you are
ever in the area look me up, we can get together for a beer or two, my treat.
Thanks again for all the help.

Tom

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#: 10965 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  17:48:50
Sb: #10949-#os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom -

Steve will be better help there... I'm more of a C type than a CIS type, I'm
afraid (grimace)....

Pete

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#: 10967 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  19:02:55
Sb: #10965-os9/telecomm
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

Thanks anyway, Steve was relieved to see an easy one anyway. Catch you later

Tom

#: 10903 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  10:40:06
Sb: #10894-os9/telecomm
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve (I'm back),

Have him do an IDENT on the newly constructed bootfile. Sounds as if the CRC of
the module doesn't jive with the contents.

Pete

#: 10889 S3/Languages
    01-Jun-91  01:06:29
Sb: #CCEnv
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All

Does anyone have any information on a company named FoxWare, or its owner
 Chris Fox. He had produced a program called CCEnv. It was reviewed by Dale
 Puckett in the Nov 88 issue of Rainbow. It was a graphic based driver for OS-9
compilers. If it is not available, does anyone have a legal copy with
documentation that they would like to sell? --Br. Jeremy, CSJW

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#: 10893 S3/Languages
    01-Jun-91  08:07:45
Sb: #10889-#CCEnv
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

I think that the Foxware product was vaporware.  As I remember it,
the ad you mentioned was the only one ever printed.  

Now, I just recently saw a message on the bitnet coco list that members
of the Australian os9 group have posted their own version of a CCenv
which is modeled after the turbo c environment.  It'll probably
make its way here at some point.

Hugo
-------------------------------------->UUCP on a Color Computer 3<----
Hugo Bueno  |     Delphi: MRGOOD
Fanwood, NJ | Compuserve: 71211,3662
            |       UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
            |        or   hugo@bluehaus.uucp
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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#: 10914 S3/Languages
    02-Jun-91  23:52:02
Sb: #10893-CCEnv
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Thank you, I will keep my eyes and ears open. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW

#: 10902 S6/Applications
    02-Jun-91  09:54:01
Sb: #Home Librarian Wanted
Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
To: anyone

I am looking for a simple home librarian program.  I have alot of books and
tapes (audio and video), which I would like to catalog.  I guess I could write
a simple database-like program, but if someone has already done this it would
save me the effort.  I've already scanned the libraries and did not find
anything usefull. Oh, I'm running OS-9/68K (Force CPU-30).
                Robert

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#: 10924 S6/Applications
    03-Jun-91  19:04:02
Sb: #10902-#Home Librarian Wanted
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)


I tried BRO'sing the different libs and didn't come up with anything. You might
want to see if there's something in the UNIXFORUM.  I've found that much of
there stuff ports easily.  I'll keep my eyes open for ya too!

Mike

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#: 10946 S6/Applications
    04-Jun-91  18:26:10
Sb: #10924-Home Librarian Wanted
Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

I'd already did some BRO'sing myself before I entered my message.  I've already
checked the UNIX libraries on BIX.  (I have not yet checked comp.sources.??? on
the InterNet yet - haven't had time at work...)
                        Robert

#: 10905 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jun-91  15:29:58
Sb: #Multistart bug
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I seem to have reinstalled a bug.  What is the specific patch to cure the
disappearing window problem in GShell? Everything else in my system seems fine.

William

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#: 10925 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jun-91  19:04:10
Sb: #10905-#Multistart bug
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)

Mark's off line for a while, so I don't think he'll be able to reply. And I
can't remember the patch!!!!  I'm sure someone remembers tho... Kev??  You
remember the patch for GSHELL to solve the dissappearing window thing?

Mike

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#: 10977 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  22:09:08
Sb: #10925-#Multistart bug
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

If it is any help, here is the output of Ident for this buggy 
version of Gshell.
 
Header for:  Gshell 
Module size: $3B48    #15176
Module CRC:  $C10CD1 (Good) 
Hdr parity:  $5B 
Exec. off:   $001D    #29
Data Size:   $1808    #6152
Edition:     $02      #2
Ty/La At/Rv: $11 $81 
Prog mod, 6809 obj, re-en, R/O 
 
 
William

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#: 11000 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  07:12:59
Sb: #10977-#Multistart bug
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)

Best bet on fixing your GShell problem is patching an original with the last
set of patches.  I think they are in GSHEL3.AR  or some such file.

I can't seen to remember what was done to fix the problem you've been haiving,
but I'm sure the last patches had the fix.

Mike

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#: 11049 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jun-91  00:13:06
Sb: #11000-#Multistart bug
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Thanks Mike.  I tried searching with a KEY of GSHELL, but I did not see version
3 of anything.  I will try Kevin next.

William

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#: 11051 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jun-91  06:00:43
Sb: #11049-Multistart bug
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: William Phelps 75100,265

After doing a BRO/key:GSHELL in DL 10 i came up with the file GSHEL2.AR as the
patches to GShell V1.24 to create V1.24a.  This is the patch that fixed the
disappearing window bug and what remaining bugs Kent found.

GSHELL.AR  is the patch to the STOCK GShell to create V1.24.  That sould get
you fixed up,

Mike

Sorry I didn't do the bro before!

#: 10911 S4/MIDI and Music
    02-Jun-91  21:19:41
Sb: #10442-UMUSE3
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Bert Schneider 70244,427

Belated response, sorry.... By now you should see that the Percussion Clef and
its sub-menu tell what percussion sounds go with each note "pitch." That solves
the problem you mentioned, a real pain between different synths.

Good luck on the hardware MIDI.  After seeing an official Dr Goodman hack of a
DC MODEM Pak to RS232 Pak (at local club meeting), I decided it should be just
as easy to hack those to MIDI Paks. If I had gtobvs of time, I'd do one and
write an article, pub domain, and get everybody doing that.  Best, mike k

#: 10913 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    02-Jun-91  23:20:26
Sb: #new OSKer
Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
To: all


Kevin
        I just recently purchased from Peripheral Technology a PT68K4 computer
with an 80Meg harddisk and VGA monitor.  I'm very interested in being a beta
tester for the software being ported over into the OSK environment, and
particularly interested in seeing which programs originally ported for the MM1
can be immediately used in the PT machine.

        I'm also hoping to get OSK versions of RiBBS and OSterm as soon as
they're available.

        The PT machine is my FIRST OS9 machine, so I'll also have all those
"beginner"-type questions, and need all the friendly general advice that I can
get.

        I'm glad that you and the other folks are here on CIS!

--Clyde



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#: 10915 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    03-Jun-91  00:09:24
Sb: #10913-new OSKer
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X)

Thanks Clyde... there are/will be a lot of OS9/68K novices around here soon; so
you won't be alone, I assure you! <grin>

I'm still learning things myself, so I may be asking you for help later on.

cheers - kevin

#: 10926 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    03-Jun-91  19:04:19
Sb: #10913-#new OSKer
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X)

Clyde,

Welcome aboard!  I'm sure you'll love OSK.  No problem on all the future
questions...  That's what the forum is all about.   You'll find most Q's get
answered with in a day or so.

What kind of software you looking for?

Mike

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#: 10961 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    05-Jun-91  08:33:21
Sb: #10926-new OSKer
Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,
        I'm looking primarily for communications, wordprocessing, and BBS
software IMMEDIATELY.  Other stuff as available.  I'm beginning to look for
sources of sourcecode from other machines, especially CP/M, since that bunch of
programs worked well in 64K windows and was terse and highly functional
programming.

        Thanks for the encouragement! --Clyde



#: 10951 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    04-Jun-91  22:22:50
Sb: #10913-new OSKer
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X)

Welcome aboard Clyde!!
        I too own a PT68K (40meg) computer. Great things are a happenin' in the
68k osk market (comparitively (sp?) speaking)!

        Great system tho,


Again, Welcome aboard!!

#: 10916 S7/Telecommunications
    03-Jun-91  01:53:16
Sb: #Making the ESCape
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: ALL

sterm requires using ESC plus a character to carry out functions.  I have been
doing this with CTRL-BREAK and the character.  This does not work reliably; I
often must repeat the key sequence.  Is there a better way to generate an ESC
character on the COCO3?

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#: 10919 S7/Telecommunications
    03-Jun-91  07:37:33
Sb: #10916-Making the ESCape
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

I've not run across the problem you described. Make sure you're depressing the
<cntl> key first, then the <break> then the needed character.

Steve

#: 10927 S7/Telecommunications
    03-Jun-91  19:04:27
Sb: #10916-Making the ESCape
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

I can't think of any other way to generate and ESC, except CNTL-BREAK on the
CoCo keyboard.  A few years back,  I found another way....  I bought one of Bob
Puppo's XT keyboard interfaces.  Besides the modem, it was the best hardware
purchase I made.  It allows you to hit an ESC key only.  I think you can still
get the interface form FHL (Frank Hogg Labs).  The other bonus is that you can
use any XT/AT keyboard with the CoCo you want and put the CoCo under the desk.

Mike

#: 10928 S1/General Interest
    03-Jun-91  20:36:58
Sb: PNW CoCo Fest
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: All

Hi All,
  In case you haven't seen this around, here's the latest information I've come
across about the Pacific North West CoCo Fest from Rodger Alexander:

Has anybody been talking up the NW CoCo Fest in Port Orchard on the 21-22 of
June?????  I've got the names of the Speaker and the complete agenda: FRIDAY
evening at the Best Western Bayview Inn in Bremerton.
  7:30  Brook Stanford from KOMO-TV will be the guest speaker SATURDAY at the
HiJoy Bowl on Bethel St. in Port Orchard
  9:00 AM:  "History of the CoCo" by Tom Rosenbaum of Spectral Assoc.
  9:30  Swap Meet (bring your stuff....Registration include free space)
  10:30 Mini Sessions:
           Hardware & pgrades:  Rodger Alexander
           Communications:  Scott Honker (Microsoft)
           BASIC:  Mark King
           Sources for HELP and SOFTWARE:  Terry Laraway
           OS-9/Unix:  Les Bulyar, Alan Johnson, Bob Foster, John Schliep
  12:30 Luncheon with Keynote Speaker Chris Burke (Burke & Burke)

Contact Donald Zimmerman, 3046 Banner Rd. SE. Port Orchard, WA 98366
                          (206) 871-6535 $25 Registration fee includes
everything including a CoCoFest MUG.  You can also choose to pick and choose
each event at $5/ea.  Best Western Bayview Inn is the motel
headquarters....call 373-7349.

And when we're all done.....we can go bowling!



#: 10933 S7/Telecommunications
    03-Jun-91  22:15:43
Sb: #Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: ALL

For several weeks I have successfully used sterm 1.2 to download ASCII files
and capture text screens (as in APV).  I thought sterm could download a file in
XMODEM and Kermit.  Without the ability to use either of those, it is
impossible to download a binary file in this forum, which means I am really not
much better off than before I got this program.  Could there just be an
unlisted ESCape key sequence that sets these protocols?  Or should I look for
another OS-9 terminal program?  Or just stay with Mikeyterm 4.7 and DECB?  I
have had OS-9 LII for nearly 6 months and have accomplished near-nothing,
beyond four different boot disks.

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#: 10934 S7/Telecommunications
    04-Jun-91  00:03:50
Sb: #10933-Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Hi Erich - sterm will download using the much faster CompuServe "B" protocol,
which is why we all use it here.

When you're ready to download a file (in this example, after BROwsing), you
could type "dow /proto:b" which will prompt you for a filename on your disk to
go to, and all is automatic after that.

Or better: leave here and "go default" which is a free area on CIS where you
can set your default transfer protocol to "B", and then you'll always download
using it by default here on CIS.  Then you can just do a "dow" command on a
file and CIS will automatically use the B protocol.

This sounds harder even than it is... just GO DEFAULT and follow the prompts
for default transfer mode for Permanent sessions/settings.  Then come back and
try doing a download.  Yell if have troubles.  best - kev

#: 10936 S7/Telecommunications
    04-Jun-91  01:46:07
Sb: #10933-Binary dload on sterm
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Eh?  B protocol should work perfectly well for downloading binary files. What
makes you think that without XMODEM or Kermit protocol it is impossible to
download a binary file?

#: 10941 S7/Telecommunications
    04-Jun-91  07:36:06
Sb: #10933-#Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

What _may_ be confusing you, Erich, is the absence of any command for a B proto
download on the startup screen of Sterm.

Not to worry ... B proto is built in. When you type DOW at the LIB prompt, and
specify B proto, CIS takes it from there and initiates the transfer.

B proto is yards faster than either xmodem or Kermit on CompuServe, but you
still  can use either by Shelling out and running an external protocol utility.

For instance, I log on routinely to a system in Florida and transfer files with
SZ/RZ (a zmodem external utility). Likewise, I'm forever moving files back and
forth between the office and home using Kermit. Just <ESC><S> to a shell and
issue the comands.

But here .... nothing beats typing DOW and letting the system take over!

Steve

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#: 10952 S7/Telecommunications
    04-Jun-91  23:50:49
Sb: #10941-#Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

What happens is that I ESC-c which turns on capture.  This seems to be doing
exactly the same thing as CTRL-1 on Mikeyterm.  Everything winds up in the
buffer (protocol menus, Enter a filename for your computer prompt, etc.). And
this capture seems to me to be no different than telling CIS dow filenm.ext
proto:capt.  I have considered altering my profile to a protocol in place of my
present "SHOW MENU".  But I make frequent use of both XMODEM and CAPTure on MT.
And I am planning to get a new DECB terminal program that will give m VT-100
emulation.  It supports YMODEM, which is one more protocol to deal with.  So
SHOW MENU seems to be the best for me to use until once and if I have terminal
programs for both DECB and OS-9 that both support the same fast protocol (e.g.,
YMODEM (or ZMODEM once and if CIS supports it)).

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#: 10959 S7/Telecommunications
    05-Jun-91  07:11:12
Sb: #10952-#Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Nothing wrong with the SHOW MENU option. I'm still set that way .. out of
laziness, if nothing more..

<ESC><C> is similar to Mikeyterm's <CNTL>-1 in that it captures incomming data,
but while MTERM is limited to appx. 40K, STERM is only limited by the amount of
available disk space.

Downloading directly to disk is a big plus when dealing with large files.

Steve

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#: 10963 S7/Telecommunications
    05-Jun-91  12:06:58
Sb: #10959-#Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

OK, but how does that ESC-c enable downloading in CIS B protocol?  It seems I
can only ASCII CAPTure on sterm.  Perhaps I just don't know enough about how B
protocol works, but I just don't see it.  I may go back to the Practice Forum
and just try to download something and see what happens with it.  At least I
won't get a 4-digit bill experimenting.

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#: 10982 S7/Telecommunications
    06-Jun-91  07:41:53
Sb: #10963-Binary dload on sterm
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

<ESC><C> won't enable B proto downloading. That only opens a capture buffer for
ASCII captures.

B proto is automatic. Lemme try this:

When you type DOW filename and select B proto, CIS polls your terminal program
with an specific escape series. They call it an INQUIRY.

If your terminal program supports B proto, it "knows" to respond back to the
INQUIRY with an appropriate answer and the transfer takes off. If not, it sits
there dumbly for 3 attempts (just to make sure it got it right) and bombs out.

This is all going on between the host (cis) and the remote terminal (you). The
operator has no involvement other than answering what ever prompts the system
may throw at you.

Give it a try and you'll see what I mean. Enter any LIB, and nab a file using B
proto. Sit back and watch!

Steve

#: 10935 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  00:54:54
Sb: #help me!
Fm: Ross Whitney 70640,3230
To: anyone / help!


Dear experts, ^ ^^I just picked up Deskmate & Dynacalc for the CoCo 2 at
closeout prices.  Do they contain enough of os9 to be useful to me? Please drop
me a line!  Ross Whitney, 70640,3230.

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#: 10937 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  03:28:53
Sb: #10935-help me!
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X)

You can also pick up os9 level one and os9 level two at close out prices.  If
you haven't done so, do it before there is no more of them.  Gee I've got a
fortune invested in the software that I have, that now you can get for a
whisper.

#: 10940 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  07:29:20
Sb: #10935-#help me!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X)

Ross,

If I recall, Deskmate is on a 'limited distribution' OS9 disk. There are some
utilities (commads) but not many ... but it will give you a flavor.

On the other had, Dynacalc is only an application disk. Somewhere on the
package it should tell you you need the Operating system for proper execution.

Steve

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#: 10943 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  15:16:52
Sb: #10940-#help me!
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve, Ross; Dynacalc from Radio Shack comes with a limited level one bootup
capability.  So you can use it as a stand alone package.  However that is the
32 column screen.  You can run dynacalc under level two, with the 80 column
screen.  I forget if there was a patch required to run it.



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#: 10944 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  17:41:18
Sb: #10943-help me!
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X)

There's not a patch to allow it to run on Lvl 2.  Dynacalc automagically
adjusts its worksheet dimensions to accommodate whatever size window it happens
to be started in.

There is a patch to take out the extra linefeed that it does during print
operations.  Also there's a patch around somewhere that allows the use of .dyc
as the spreadsheet file extensions instead of .cal which gets mixed up with
Deskmate's Calender files.
   The extension overlaps only really causes a problem in a hard drive
environment where you would (and could) have deskmate and dynacalc up at the
same time particularly in the Multi-Vue mode of operations.

Lee



#: 10958 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  07:06:09
Sb: #10943-#help me!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751 (X)

Robert,

You got me wondering .... I thought for sure it was just an application so I
pulled my distribution disk to check.

You're correct. It does have a limited version of OS9.

Steve

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#: 10962 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  11:20:16
Sb: #10958-help me!
Fm: Robert A. Hengstebeck 76417,2751
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

The reason I knew about the Boot up ability is that I've been demonstrating it
at the store.  However I have to first boot up on the later version of OS-9
level one, to allow it to work on the coco III's which were all that we had in
the store.  I think that we have 4 copies of dynacalc in my store at 4.95 each,
and also have a OS-9 level II startup kit at ? 9.95 .  I don't know what else
we have since they're all bagged up in the back of the store. We just went thru
a complete remodeling, and I don't think that the manager wants put them back
up on display.  And I agree.  There realy isn't room on the shelves for this
stuff any more.

#: 11007 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  18:54:08
Sb: #10958-#help me!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

About using DynaCalc under Lvl2 floppys- if you load utilitys at boot and then
switch to an application disk with dynacalc on it, it gives a module not found
error. Seems DynaCalc expects the DIR util. to be in it's CMDS directory,even
if its already in RAM.
                                              Rick

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#: 11017 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  07:28:20
Sb: #11007-#help me!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Hmmm ... that's strange.

If I'm not mistaken, standard search pattern for OS9 is, check memory, if not
there, look to the execution directory.

Have you tried issuing a  'chx /dd/cmds' and 'chd /dd' to get things pointed in
the right direction after you've swapped in the applicaion disk?

Steve

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#: 11019 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  15:32:41
Sb: #11017-help me!
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

It might not be trying to execute via the shell, it might be trying to load it,
link to it, and then fork it directly. It should, however attempt to link to it
first, before attempting to load it.

Bill



#: 11039 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  10:26:40
Sb: #11007-#help me!
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Are you talking about the Tandy Version of Dynacalc requiring the DIR command
to be in the CMDS directory?  It could be that a CHX and/or a CHD needs to be
done when you switch to your application disk with dynacalc on it.

Lee



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#: 11048 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  23:40:19
Sb: #11039-#help me!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

 Color my face red! I'm using /d1 as data and /d0 as a huge CMDS directory.
Dynacalc.TRM got lost in the shuffle until I chd to track the 216 error, which
of course fixed everything. Looking thru my data disks some have TRM and some
don't(does anybody have a HD cheep?) which pretty much leaves me older and
wiser.If I hadn't laid out that new budget I'd still have boot problems besides
BLOB........
                 Thanx for the info
                  Rick

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#: 11055 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  09:48:38
Sb: #11048-#help me!
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick, before I got a hard drive, I patched Dynacalc at location $0B70 which
should read on your system "dynacalc.trm".  I changed that using dED to read
"/dd/cmds/dyt", then requested that dED re-verify the newly patched Dynacalc.
  This patch will make Dynacalc look for the a file called "dyt" in the CMDS
directory on your system's Default Drive.  You'll have to copy dynacalc.trm
from your data disks to /DD/CMDS with the name DYT, but at least you won't have
to have copy of it on most, if not all, of your data disks.
  Dynacalc.trm is almost 13K, so it will take some space, but at least it will
only be taking up space in one place.

Lee

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#: 11057 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  13:39:34
Sb: #11055-help me!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Lee -

Dunno if the coco version is the same, but the generic version of Dynacalc
would look in the execution directory if a copy wasn't found in the current
directory. Of course I had to keep multiple copies in various directories
because of different terminal types I had. I ended up writing a 'dc' shell that
would check the crt type (via a /dd/sys/ttytype entry) and copy the appropriate
.trm file to the local directory before invoking Dynacalc.

Pete

#: 11056 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  09:55:29
Sb: #11048-#help me!
Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

I guess you could put Dynacalc.trm in your SYS directory, too.  You'd just have
to move the $0D (carriage return) that delimits the file name string in
Dynacalc one position to the left.  Or you could just change the string to
"/dd/sys/dytr" or something like that so that the string length was exactly the
same as the old.

Anyway, there's more than a few options that can be done or not done as the
case may be.

Lee



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#: 11064 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  23:57:48
Sb: #11056-#help me!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)

Thanks for the info.I'll have to get right on it,the 'extra' 13kper disk will
come in handy. Unfortunately,all I've got is modpatch.(Where did I put that
ASCII table anyway?) BTW, is  there a DOC for modpatchh anywhere? It's not
mentioned in the manual, and all I really know about it is what can be inferred
from the few patches I've collected.Does it do anything besides l,c,v?
   Tahhnks again-  Rick

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#: 11068 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jun-91  03:21:19
Sb: #11064-help me!
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305

Rick - see MODPAT.TXT in Library 10.   Also try "modpatch -?" and you'll see
the options.

best - kev

#: 11008 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  21:01:44
Sb: #10935-help me!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Ross Whitney 70640,3230 (X)

Ross,

I too picked up Deskmate at a closeout price. I did find that it contains os9
but the CMDS directory is very limited. If you can pick up a copy of level 1
os9 you can use COPY to add the commands you may desire to the deskmate disk. I
just added an M1 driver to mine with the help of the folks here and I now can
use my DCM pak with deskmate. You would be making a smart investment if you
purchased os9 while you still can.

Tom

#: 10950 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jun-91  21:41:21
Sb: #ZIP AND UNZIP
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: ALL

Hi All, I just downloaded some zip files and also put UNZIP and UNZIP3 on the
same disk. But now I can't get them to run. I've tried <LOADM"xxxxx":EXEC> and
nothing seems to work. Can one of you give me a hand? Thanks, Mark

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#: 10956 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  05:48:23
Sb: #10950-ZIP AND UNZIP
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Ummm...if those are OS-9 program modules, which I think they are--I don't know
of any Disk BASIC-loaded unzip programs--then you really will need OS-9 to run
them.  You might want to consider using OS-9; I think you'll find that a lot of
people here like it quite a bit. :-)

#: 10957 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  06:28:08
Sb: #10950-ZIP AND UNZIP
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Mark,
  As James mentioned....these are modules which will run under OS9, not RS-DOS
(what you get when you turn the computer on).
  You will need OS9....the .AR de-archiving program out of LIB 9...and a disk.
  Do you have all of these?

   Dan

#: 10954 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  03:32:02
Sb: TomCat
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all

Anyone out there using a TomCat? If so, how compatible is it with CoCo
software? How is it with OS9?



#: 10955 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  03:51:30
Sb: #Cassette Port
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all

How do I access the cassette port on the CoCo3 under OS9 Level II? Would it be
thru /T1?

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#: 10964 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  12:10:33
Sb: #10955-#Cassette Port
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)

I'd suggest downloading RELAY.AR in Lib10.  Once you use AR to unARchive it,
you will get a new command to add to your /cmds directory.  Then all you need
to do is type relay on or relay off.  /t1 is not needed for this, but I presume
a remote user under /t1 can reach Relay as you can under /term.

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#: 11003 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  11:07:43
Sb: #10964-Cassette Port
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Thanks for the info! I'll check it out...

#: 10970 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  20:11:16
Sb: King Quest, Laser Surg.
Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424
To: ALL

Hi All; I recently got KINGS QUEST III, installed it on my hard drive and put
the two modules a new boot.  I ran into trouble though with the TOC.TXT config
file.  Can someone please tell me how it should be set up.  Myself and others
here in the Milwaukee OS-9 group would be very appreciative!

LASER SURGEON:  Does anyone know how to make the "MM" autoexec file work for
hard drive use? -or is it even possible?? I think I've seen others with these
autoexecutables that are unreadable, could there maybe be an alternative way to
change them??        Again, thanks very much!            -rod

#: 10972 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  20:28:04
Sb: #zip and unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)

DAN, I don't have the de-arcing out of lib 9, but I do have dual disks. Do you
know off-hand what the de-arc file name is? I'll be sure to go get it. thhanks,
Mark

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#: 10993 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jun-91  08:37:16
Sb: #10972-zip and unzip
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Mark,
   First, you must be in the OS9 environment. Or, be able to transfer the file
over to the OS9 environment using DOSOR9.BAS.
   Download AR09.BIN from LIB 9.
   Once this file is on an OS9 disk...make sure the attributes are PE,PW,E,W
(the PR and R are optional, but the others should be set on).....and then
rename the file to AR using the command: RENAME AR09.BIN AR
   Viola! Once this is done, AR is a viable command you can use under the OS9
operating systme.

   Dan

#: 10973 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  20:31:16
Sb: ZIP AND UNZIP
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Thanks James, BTW I am getting a bit better at OS9 since we last spoke. Mark

#: 10974 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  20:47:52
Sb: #VI-like editors?
Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424
To: ALL

Hi All, I use the VI editor on InterGraph UNIX boxes at work and have gotten
pretty good at using it.  Now I've been using TSEDIT for OS-9 for a long time
because of its simularities to VI, but as anyone who has used TSEDIT knows its
capabilities are limited... My question is; Is there another OS-9 editor that
uses more of VI's command set?  Or something simular?? Any comments/suggestions
are appreciated.             -rod

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#: 10976 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    05-Jun-91  22:07:02
Sb: #10974-#VI-like editors?
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Rod Motto 73247,424 (X)

Only such editors I know of are large enough that they run on OS-9/68000. Those
are stevie and elvis, both originally written for Unix and ported to
OS-9/68000.  Might check to see whether someone's put them in the 68K DL here.

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#: 10981 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Jun-91  06:00:30
Sb: #10976-VI-like editors?
Fm: Rod Motto 73247,424
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi, thanks for the tip.  I'll remember that when I make the move up to 68k. 
Interesting names!       thanks! -rod

#: 10975 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    05-Jun-91  22:05:00
Sb: PCoid keyboards & CTRL
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335

Say...at RAINBOWFest, if I remember rightly, Paul Ward said you were the fellow
from whom he got a keyboard that was hooked up to an MM/1 that was

1. small

2. had the <extremely long string of expletives deleted> control key in the
right place, unlike just about every other <extremely long string etc.> PClone
keyboard.

I'm currently using a relatively inexpensive beast I bought from Midwest Micro
Peripherals that lets me put the control key in the right place--the only other
one I know of (ones) are some rather more expensive Northgate keyboards.  If
you know where I can find a *small* but complete keyboard suitable for an MM/1
that has the control key just left of A (where <insert deity> meant it to be
:-), then I'd *love* to hear about it!

#: 10983 S7/Telecommunications
    07-Jun-91  02:33:32
Sb: #sterm on RS232pak
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: ALL

I have successfully used sterm 1.2 with my DC Modem Pak.  I now have a
Hayes-compatible modem which I use with a COCOPRO! RS-232 pak.  I have been
unable to use sterm with the new modem.  /t3 cannot be opened but I do get a
baud rate message with /t1 and /t2.  But in both cases, the modem does not
respond to my ATDT commands (or any other).  The phone dialer at ESC-p doesn't
seem to work either (is it set up for pulse only?).  The DCD line is forced
high as I do in Mikeyterm 4.7; the DCD high setting is saved in nonvolatile
RAM.  I tried ESC-e but it didn't help.  What else can I do?

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#: 10984 S7/Telecommunications
    07-Jun-91  04:18:20
Sb: #10983-#sterm on RS232pak
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

How are the device descriptors set?

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#: 10988 S7/Telecommunications
    07-Jun-91  15:04:43
Sb: #10984-#sterm on RS232pak
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

They are on the disk as originally put there by CONFIG?  Exactly what are you
asking; I'm not quite sure.

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#: 10989 S7/Telecommunications
    07-Jun-91  22:58:39
Sb: #10988-sterm on RS232pak
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

I'm wondering what the path descriptor option section (which is initially
copied from the device descriptor) looks like.  The easiest way to find out
(which I should've said to start with--sorry about that) is with the xmode
utility.

#: 10987 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jun-91  13:06:02
Sb: #Disto SC-II
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all

Can someone with a Disto SC-II, 4-in-1 combination answer this question?
Physically, what does this device look like?  Is it a box that plugs into the
side of the CoCo3 that contains some sort of slot for the 4-in-1? Is it a big
cartridge-like device with some sort of internal expansion slot?  I'm trying to
come up with a neat configuration for my CoCo3 that doesn't involve lots of
extra boxes (like the Multipak) and wires.  Will the Disto combination fill
those requirements?

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#: 10998 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  00:40:49
Sb: #10987-#Disto SC-II
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

    I just bought one; and am very pleased with the no halt controller. As I
type this online, a dsave is running in the background and I'm not missing any
typed characters.
    Anyway, the SC-II is a metal box about the same size as a Radio Shack
DCMpak. It plugs into the side of the Coco or into a multipak. The top unscrews
and the 4 in 1 board, amazingly enough, plugs upside down on top of the
controller board. You punch out a cut in the side of the cover, hook up some
cables, and screw the cover back on. The whole thing is easy to do and the
resulting package is small.
    You have to plug in an extra 9-volt adapter into a plug in the side of it
to run the new RS-232 port. Altogether you get two ribbon cables coming out the
top (floppy drive and SASI/SCSI), and two cables coming out the side (parallel
printer and RS-232) plus one little plug for power in the side.
    The software under OS-9 is easy to install too. I bought mine from Cocopro,
Ypsilanti, MI. The owner Dave is a very helpful fellow.

                                            Paul

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#: 11018 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  09:11:30
Sb: #10998-#Disto SC-II
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

Thanks for your description of the SC-II.  It sounds like just what I'm looking
for.

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#: 11042 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  20:16:28
Sb: #11018-#Disto SC-II
Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

I just called CRC (Disto) in Montreal, and they are sold out of the 4-in-1 and
it has now been discontinued... there will be no more.  I don't know why, and
it was a surprise, because I was just about to do the same reconfiguration. 
(I.e. lose the Multipak -- I'm putting 5 drives + COCO in an AT case,  The
multipak is a MAJOR "growth" out the back).

Sandy

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#: 11053 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jun-91  08:12:43
Sb: #11042-#Disto SC-II
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 (X)

Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait for a used SC-II/4-in-1 to become available.

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#: 11054 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jun-91  15:28:41
Sb: #11053-Disto SC-II
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

David - see msg 11012.  Same guy selling the 4-1 as before, but lower price.

#: 10990 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jun-91  23:45:04
Sb: B&B
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: All

Does anyone have experience using the Longshine LCS6210D/W with the B&B
interface? I am hard pressed to figure out appropriate jumpering. I really 
have no earthly idea if it will even WORK with B&B.
 Got my drive all spun up and got no way to talk to it! thx dlk



#: 10992 S3/Languages
    08-Jun-91  07:56:32
Sb: #Cobol Needed.....
Fm: Steven Barlett 71635,1562
To: all

work, 17142558151 I am interested in finding a Cobol Compiler for OS9> level 2.
If anyone has information as to where I may purchase Cobol Please let me know. 
I am developing software in Cobol and would like to see more business software
developed for the CoCo... 3 ... 4 and so on.  Please leave me a mail message in
this forum if you have any information for me.


Thank you,

Steven Barlett 71635,1562



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#: 11060 S3/Languages
    13-Jun-91  21:52:06
Sb: #10992-Cobol Needed.....
Fm: Bob Palmer 74646,2156
To: Steven Barlett 71635,1562

Have you tried a message on the Microware forum requesting pricing information?
There is (maybe was?) an official Microware produced COBOL compiler which was
available for level II.  Advertizement was last seen in 68 micro magazine - now
defunct.  Sorry I cannot help more. edit

#: 10995 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    08-Jun-91  11:08:17
Sb: The Doctor's in
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: All

For those of you that have been around long enough to remeber a time when Marty
Goodman's 'interesting postition statements' were a daily event here ....
Heeeee's Baaaaaack!  (well.... sort of  :-) )

Library 14's ls0608.ar contains a rather lengthy exchange of info from Marty
and others dealing with the issue of upgrading MPI's.

Whether or not you're a Forum old timer or a recent addition, it makes for
interesting reading.

Steve

#: 10999 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  04:25:44
Sb: #Tandy MM History
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Thought y'all would be interested in knowing that the CoCo is in the official
Tandy timeline of its march towards "multimedia" computers:

 1977  Markets first PC available nationwide

 1980  Radio Shack introduces the Color Computer, offering color
       graphics and complex sound.

 1984  Tandy 1000 includes higher quality video and improved
       sound.

 ....  etc

Gee.  Nice to be remembered ;-)    kevin

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#: 11004 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  13:56:34
Sb: #10999-Tandy MM History
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Hi Kev--Tandy can take their timeline and stick it in their 8086!

#: 11006 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  18:24:37
Sb: #Zip and Unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)

Hi Dan, I got AR09.BIN loaded into my os9 master. Now how do I use it? Every
way I try I end up with some sort of error, mostly, that the files I downloaded
are the wrong type. I take that to mean that os9 can't read them.

I also downloaded PKZ110.ZIP and LH113C.EXE, do I have to use these with os9
too(especially since PKZ110.ZIP takes up a whole disk by itself). Thanks again,
Mark

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#: 11009 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jun-91  21:06:30
Sb: #11006-Zip and Unzip
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Alas, I think that you'll find that pkz110.zip and lh113c.exe are (or in the
case of the former, contain) 8086 executables and hence they're of no use on
the CoCo.

Two things--OK, three--about ar09.bin.  One: rename it just plain "ar".  Two:
make sure it's in the CMDS directory of your boot disk.  (When you say "master"
you don't mean the very first copy that you bought from whoever, do you?  If
you do, then I fear you've made a mistake--back it up and use the copy
instead.) Three: make sure it has "execute" attributes set.  Once you have in
the CMDS directory, and if that's in /d0, then "attr /d0/cmds/ar e pe" should
do the job.

#: 11015 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  06:54:54
Sb: #11006-Zip and Unzip
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Mark,
   James is steering you in the right direction. The two program that you have
mentioned are for an IBM computer, not the CoCo running OS9. I don't know of
any LHARC type decompressor available for OS9...however we do have a de-zipper
and de-arcer. Interested?
   Dan

#: 11010 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Jun-91  00:57:14
Sb: #Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

Carl -

I finally got Kevin Pease's GMX all cabled up with a couple of tty lines and a
modem this afternoon. Was messing about with the modem stuff a bit, and was
trying to get sterm1_4 operational.

I need a memory jog... the code seems to be wired to /t2... what's the
parameter for making it /t7?

Pete

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#: 11011 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Jun-91  02:41:52
Sb: #11010-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

The parameter should be the name of the device, e.g. "sterm /t7".

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#: 11020 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Jun-91  15:36:23
Sb: #11011-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

JJ-

Tried that and no potatoes..... 'paths' still showed that /t2 was being used.

Pete

P.S. DO you know of any reason why DTR will assert on the modem port when I use
C-Kermit, but not upon opening the port (i.e. cat </t7 or tsmon /t7)?

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#: 11021 S7/Telecommunications
    10-Jun-91  17:52:55
Sb: #11020-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hmmm...sterm must've changed since the version I looked at the source for,
then. (Pause while I get into sterm instead of Kermit...)

I'll have to look in the C Kermit source to see what games it plays with the
comm port.  More news as I find it out.

#: 11033 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  06:43:48
Sb: #11020-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

On the newer versions of sterm, try:

 sterm -l /t7

That's the latest syntax.  I patched my copy to look to /t0 on the MM/1.

Mike

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#: 11035 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  09:07:00
Sb: #11033-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

THanks Mike..... I'll give that one a try!

Pete

#: 11038 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  09:16:27
Sb: #11033-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike -

Ahhh... that did the trick... thanks!

Pete

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#: 11040 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  15:03:00
Sb: #11038-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

No problem.  How you and Marsha doin'?

BTW  I found I can send UUCP mail thru UNLV if I use this path:
 jimi!usnvax!uunet!...... (etc.)  Problem is trying to get any back!!! The
return 'bang' path get turned into internet addressing so you can't simply
reply from CIS.  The path to me would be...
 uunet!unsvax!jimi!htsmm1!mikeh (That's unsvax above NOT usnvax!!!)  Can you
try sending me mail?

Mike

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#: 11050 S7/Telecommunications
    12-Jun-91  00:34:29
Sb: #11040-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike -

I'll try and get some mail out to you tomorrow... remind me if I don't.

Pete

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#: 11052 S7/Telecommunications
    12-Jun-91  06:34:56
Sb: #11050-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

OK Pete,

I'm not real sure of this internet addressing tho...  It seems that unsvax
(Known as NEVADA.EDU on the internet) doesn't get the mail I send thru it VIA
uunet.UU.NET, uunet likes to bounce it back to me when trying to reach htsmm1
from CIS.

The address "uunet!unsvax!jimi!htsmm1!mikeh" gets munged into "mikeh@htsmm1"
when routed thru Internet!!!!  It turns out that 'unsvax' only talks with
'jimi' (my end) and 'uunet' (the out side world) and uunet doesn't like the
addressing.  Sheesh!

I just might end up applying for a uunet domain name or a US domain name so the
internet will know about my little machine.  At the moment, only 'jimi' knows I
exist.

It just might be time to send mail to the sysop@unsvax.NEVADA.EDU, no? <g>

Mike

#: 11034 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  07:25:07
Sb: #11020-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

I've notice in Mark's latest version of sterm that syntax has changed to:


Sterm Ver. 1.5

Usage:  sterm [-df? -l'p' -e'x']

       -d      Debug mode on (displays during downloads)
       -f      NOT downloading to floppy disks (CoCo only)
       -?      Print this usage message
       -l p    Link to modem port 'p'
       -e x    Set B+ MAXERRS to 'x' (default 10)

Mayhaps this approach will help.

Steve

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#: 11036 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  09:08:04
Sb: #11034-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve -

Gracias.... I'll file that now.

Pete

#: 11037 S7/Telecommunications
    11-Jun-91  09:15:54
Sb: #11034-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve - Thanks .... works great now!

Pete

#: 11058 S7/Telecommunications
    13-Jun-91  13:43:54
Sb: #11020-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

JJ -

A chat with Carl Kreider told be that some of the drivers are extremely
stOOpid... Apperently DTR isn't raised implicitly on first path open. There's
allegedly a setstat call (_SS_RTS ?) that will explicitly muck with the line.
Carl has apperently mixed these in on Mtsmon and Ckermit. Other (groan)
_standard_ tools (Tsmon, etc.) don't handle this.

Pete

P.S. What's the difference between clib.l and clibn.l is OSK'dom? This one cost
me an hour or so of grief, and I couldn't find any poop on it in the book. Also
- while you're orating, do you mind touching on the other clib* enties as well
(68020 here)..

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#: 11059 S7/Telecommunications
    13-Jun-91  21:34:04
Sb: #11058-#Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Hmmm...I always have to look up which clib* is which--cc always takes care of
it, right? <grin>  I will go look it up again, but if you want to find out
experimentally, you can compile something short with and without -x, and with
the various 020 math options, and use -bp so that you'll see what is handed to
the linker.  That's what influences the choice of libraries.

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#: 11065 S7/Telecommunications
    14-Jun-91  01:46:56
Sb: #11059-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562

In my trial case, l68 seemed to head directly for 'clibn.l' unless I explicitly
forced it to /dd/lib/clib.l with the -l option. I guess more digging is in
order.

Pete

P.S. Aren't you still in the compiler troup?

#: 11012 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    10-Jun-91  04:32:54
Sb: #CoCo Stuff: Sale
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Since the prices were interesting, I thought I'd repost this from internet:

 o Color Computer III. 128K; good for OS9; brand new in the box $ 60.00
 o FD-502 Floppy Controller 'Shack standard issue.              $ 40.00
 o CM-8 Color Monitor.  About 120 total hours.  Spottless and
     packed in original box.  For CC3 or Amigas.                $ 99.00
 o Multipak Adapter.  CoCo III Upgrades, as is:                 $ 30.00
 o Disto Super Controller II with 4in1 board.  Creates /t2 port
     emulates FD502 card, does SCSI for Hard drive, has a realtime
     clock.  With Original disks and documentation and cables:  $ 99.00
 Hard drive - Micropolis 1325D.  71Mb unformatted capacity.
 Will format MFM/RLL will work with Disto (with adapter card)
   or with Burke & Burke, also with PC/AT. Low Hours.          $175.00

 If any of these items interest you, please contact Jeff Fall at:
    fall@ektools.kodak.com or leave a message at: 716-781-6587
 All items are in working order unless stated otherwise.  Buyer assumes
shipping and COD charges.

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#: 11047 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    11-Jun-91  23:18:17
Sb: #11012-CoCo Stuff: Sale
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

   Those are good prices. No copies of 'Inside OS9 Level II' for sale there
though (hint, hint).
                              Paul

#: 11022 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  21:27:17
Sb: #Zip and Unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi James, No I didn't mean my "System Master", I meant the master copy. Second,
it is in the cmds dir. Third, I named it "arc" instead of "ar"(does this
matter?).Fourth, I did set all of the attributes.And fifth, I had to erase a
bunch of the cmds and sys directories for the room to fit in on the disk
(cmp,format,grfdrv, modpatch,montype,etc). All thhe things I didn't think I'd
need to de-arc a file. One of the things I've been wondering about though is
that Ultimaterm has "Basic binary" and "Machine language" parameters. I've been
using the latter. How would I know which one to store the programs on disk
under? Since I'm using a Coco should I be downloading under "Basic binary"?
Thanks a heap, Mark

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#: 11027 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  01:55:54
Sb: #11022-Zip and Unzip
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

It's best to keep the name of the file and the name of the module in it (or the
first module in it, since in general a file could contain more than one module)
the same, because OS-9 will look for a module in memory before going to disk to
try to grab the file.  If the names are the same, you don't have to worry about
whether you explicitly loaded the file or not when deciding what to type at the
shell.  I really couldn't tell you what the Ultimaterm settings mean, but...
keep ident in the CMDS directory on the disk.  Use whatever setting on
Ultimaterm that will result in ident giving the correct CRC for the ar module.

#: 11023 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jun-91  21:35:02
Sb: #Zip and Unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)

'Lo Dan, Yes, I'd be very interested in an un-zipper and de-arcer. I've
downloaded disks-ful of programs(mostly zip) and I'm dying to see whats on
them. The inaccessability is driving me nuts. Tell me where to find them,
pleeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeee!

Mark

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#: 11032 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  06:30:39
Sb: #11023-Zip and Unzip
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

Mark,
   Here are the files then:
     LIB 10 - UNZIP2.PAK
     LIB 9  - DEARC.BIN (and source code is DEARC.C)
     (and if you don't have the UNPAK utility for de-arcing UNZIP2.PAK then
      you'll need to grab PAK.BIN out of LIB 10 as well.)

    Now remember....anytime you have these .BIN files you will need to reset
the attributes properly, such as with DEARC.BIN:
    ATTR DEARC.BIN pw pe w e

    This will allow you to then execute or write to the file. You may wish to
write to the file to shorten the name down from DEARC.BIN to DEARC:
    RENAME DEARC.BIN DEARC

    Lemme know if you need any more help....and have fun!

    Dan

#: 11024 S5/OS9 Users Group
    10-Jun-91  23:10:05
Sb: #Intro Question
Fm: STEVE GODERSKY 73130,1456
To: anybody

Just browsing through and I wondered if this is the same as Plan 9?

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#: 11028 S5/OS9 Users Group
    11-Jun-91  01:58:44
Sb: #11024-Intro Question
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: STEVE GODERSKY 73130,1456

If by "Plan 9" you mean the experimental distributed system that they're
working on at Murray Hill, nope, this isn't the same thing.  OS-9 refers to two
very similar operating systems intended for real time use on 6809 and 680xx
systems.  (This area also has a little discussion of the portable descendant of
OS-9, OS-9000.)

#: 11029 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    11-Jun-91  04:20:28
Sb: BBS
Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
To: all

                            Springwood BBS!

                           (614)-228-7371

                            300 / 1200 / 2400

                            Running RiBBS v2.0

         On-line games:

             Poker, Hangman, Chess, Trek

       Limited transfers for CoCo Users.



#: 11043 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  21:39:12
Sb: #Zip and Unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi James, I renamed the arc file "ar" then I did an ident and got "module
header incorrect". Now what? The CRC was good. Thanks again, Mark

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#: 11045 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  22:46:34
Sb: #11043-Zip and Unzip
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

To get both those messages, what probably had to happen is that the xmodem
transfer was OK, but, thanks to xmodem's being designed for CP/M, it left stray
junk at the end.  There are a couple of ways around this:

1. Assuming that the attributes are set, type "load ar".  ar will then be
   in memory even though you get an error message; the error message is
   caused by the trailing xmodem droppings.  Now, if you have the "save"
   program, you can "del /d0/cmds/ar; save ar" and you'll have just ar,
   ready to go.  Save is unbundled from OS-9 Level Two, but there are
   freely-copyable equivalents here.  (Catch-22?  No, because once you've
   loaded something, you can run it from memory, so you can "load save",
   and then save save as well as save ar.) 2. Look at the module length that
ident shows for ar.  Use a program like
   ded to chop the file /d0/cmds/ar to that length.

Method (1) is probably the safest, since you don't have to remember or write
down any lengths--load and save do it all for you.

#: 11044 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  21:53:03
Sb: #Zip and Unzip
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)

Well I still need a little help. As I told James, I literally had to erase
almost the entire CMDS and SYS directories to fit AR09 on the disk. Is this
normal? It seems as though the disk would have more space than that on it.(I
think it said before this that there were 173 sectors clear with the largest
having 39 blocks).Also what exactly are the commands to execute the AR file and
a program on another disk? I tried <load /d0/cmds/ar /d1/xxxx.arc> and every
other conceivable combination to no avail.
  HHHHHHHHE
           EEE
              ELLLL
                   LPPPP
                        !!!!!! Mark (the desparate one)

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#: 11046 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jun-91  22:48:59
Sb: #11044-Zip and Unzip
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507 (X)

You don't want to load a .arc file; only load files containing modules
(straight modules, not compressed and archived modules).  In any case, the "ar"
program won't handle .arc files, only .ar files.  For .arc files you will want
one of the programs called "dearc" that should be available here in one of the
DL areas.

#: 11061 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  22:25:21
Sb: #Cheap OS9 Level 2
Fm: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507
To: All

HI All, I left this message the other day in the coco forum, never thinking to
leave it here, but as of last weekend (6-9-91) OS9 Level 2 was at the
Phoenix,Az. Radio Shacks for (get this) $4.95! I imagine it's the same
nationwide. GO FOR IT!!!

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#: 11066 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jun-91  03:19:39
Sb: #11061-Cheap OS9 Level 2
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: MARK HAMILTON 70524,1507

Thanks for the tip, Mark!

kev

#: 11062 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  22:52:51
Sb: #Dir
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Kevin Darling

      Is there a "dir" command somewhere that will output file sizes in decimal
bytes instead of hexadecimal?
                                               Paul

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#: 11069 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jun-91  03:23:30
Sb: #11062-Dir
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413

Paul - I think you might try "LS.AR" and/or "LSH.BIN" in Library 9.

I use an old version of lsh all the time, partly for the decimal sizes and
partly because it tells me the space used and free, in decimal.

Hope those are what you need! - kev

#: 11063 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jun-91  23:52:50
Sb: TROUBLES
Fm: DAVID GUESS 72237,2244
To: ALL

OK, GOT SOME QUESTIONS, SEEMS TO BE THAT WAY WHEN I'VE BEEN AWAY FOR A WHILE.

ANYBODY THAT CAN HELP I DEFINITELY WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

1) OLD COCO3, NO VIDEO OUTPUT.... CAN HEAR CASSETTE RELAY CLICK..

2) NEW COCO3, CAN'T MAKE A BOOTABLE OS9 DISK AFTER USING CONFIG OR OS9GEN.
   I'M STILL ON A 35 TRACK DISK AFTER USING EITHER OF THE ABOVE WITH 40
   TRACK DEVICE DESCRIPTORS IN OS9BOOT. I CAN MAKE A FORMATTED 40 TRACK DISK
   BUT THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN I TRY TO OS9GEN OR COBBLER A BOOT DISK ON THIS
   40 TRACK (DS) DISK.   KEEP GETTING AN ERROR 241.....
   512K IS OK, DISTO SCII IS OK, ALL OTHER CHIPS OK..  I EVEN GOT THE
   CC3DISK.IRQ WORKING IN MY ONE AND ONLY BOOTABLE DISK (THE ONE AFTER CONFIG)
   WORKS OK, BUT STILL CAN'T MAKE A 40 DS BOOTABLE DISK.


   WHEN I IDENT -M, EVERYTHING OK....ON MY OLD DISKS, EVERYTHING IS SCREWED
   UP. SHOWS OS9P2 BAD CRC AND STOPS THERE WHEN I TRY TO IDENT OS9BOOT THESE
   OLDER DISKS....ALSO A LOT OF ERROR 249'S....SAME FORMAT, WHAT GIVES????

   OS9 LEVEL I AND II ARE THE SAME WAY.. RS DOS EVERYTHING WORKS OK....

   CAN ANYBODY HELP, IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE I'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THESE
   AND THE CC3 I PICKED UP AT SHACK FOR $69 FOR TOO GOOD A DEAL....

   FACT IS, I'M USING THE NEW ONE WITH GETERM 2.5 NOW...

   APPRECIATE ANY HELP......


            DAVID GUESS
            P.O. BOX 236
            BROWNSVILLE, KY.   42210
            502-597-3298   (SHOP AND HOME)





#: 11070 S1/General Interest
    14-Jun-91  13:02:09
Sb: OSK CD-I Jobs
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: all

Interested in a job using OS-9/68000?

A MultiMedia company is looking for OS9 System Software Engineers to work with
CD-I.  Must have an interest in Video and Graphics Programming.  If interested
please call Mark Tokay ASAP at (704) 652-1801 for more information.

Please tell him that you heard about this on Compuserve in a message posted by
James Truesdale.

Good Luck!

-J



#: 11071 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jun-91  15:38:26
Sb: #OSK 68000 Archives
Fm: CHUCK LOUGHRY 70615,213
To: ALL

I have noticed several files in the libraries that have an extension of .AR and
so far, have been completely unsuccessful in extracting any of these archive
files.  I have an FHL QT 20X 68020 computer.  I would like to know the location
of the appropriate program to extract these archives.

Thank you in advance for your responses.

                                Chuck Loughry ( 70615,213 )

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#: 11072 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jun-91  17:14:24
Sb: #11071-OSK 68000 Archives
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: CHUCK LOUGHRY 70615,213

Chuck -

Grab AR68.BIN and AR.DOC in DL9. Rename the AR68.bin to AR, stuff it in the
execution directory, set the execute permission(s), and away you go.

Pete

Press <CR> !>