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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      08/28/89 23:28  Msg:4274 Call:23573  Lines:3
 20 Things are seldom what they seem, skim milk masquerades as cream.
 21 -- W.S. Gilbert
 22 ************************ disk #100.4 *********************************
003=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       08/29/89 00:32  Msg:4275 Call:23576  Lines:8
 23  
 24       Wow......I can see all the way to Yakima from up here.
 25                          
 26                            -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
 27                              He's Baaaaaack
 28  
 29 {+}{+}{+}{+}
 30  
004=Usr:219 Friar Mossback    08/29/89 08:18  Msg:4276 Call:23579  Lines:1
 31 Why would you want to see Yakima?  I'ne been there, ther's no there there.
005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  08/29/89 09:16  Msg:4277 Call:23580  Lines:8
 32 &*&*&*&*'s
 33      The century mark... Wow. 100 archive disks after this. I have it on good
 34 authority that that is around 20 meg or more of backwater archives. Happy
 35 100th!
 36  
 37 An Astral Dreamer
 38 &*&*&*&*'s
 39  
006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  08/29/89 18:33  Msg:4278 Call:23589  Lines:14
 40 &*&*&*&*'s
 41  
 42      Eventually Morton came to a fork in the road. One way was well traveled
 43 and maintained, while the one on the right was hardly a path. Without
 44 pausing he went right, mumbling to himself 'I took the road less traveled.'
 45  
 46      The trees and grass on either side were almost uniformly a dull sickly
 47 green, and the entire place was nearly silent.
 48  
 49 (Contributing as much as anybody else today.)
 50  
 51 An Astral Dreamer
 52 &*&*&*&*'s
 53  
007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    08/29/89 21:52  Msg:4279 Call:23595  Lines:75
 54 696969696969                                                                 
 55              HIGHER SPEEDS BRING MORE DEATHS:-8/28/89
 56     It's a national struggle of the will and the gas pedal that rages after 
 57 states raised speed limits on certain sections of interstate highway to 65 
 58 mph. Concern about just how fast U.S. residents should drive is increasing 
 59 after preliminary evidence shows more people died in highway accidents as a 
 60 result of the higher speed limit.
 61     More U.S. residents are wearing safety belts than ever before, but more 
 62 aggressive promotion of the belts could push use even higher, a safety group 
 63 said. Traffic Safety Now, reported Sunday that in states requiring use of the 
 64 belts, 51 percent of motorists wear them. In states without laws, about 36 
 65 percent of motorists wear them. Thirty-four states have seat-belt laws. 
 66     With faster speeds come greater numbers of deaths, says the National 
 67 Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The agency is expected to submit a 
 68 formal report next month but preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent 
 69 increase in deaths on rural interstates. NHTSA, like the Bush administration, 
 70 says speed limits are the states' business.
 71     Two years ago, with the "energy crisis" long abated, Congress gave states 
 72 permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural interstates where surrounding 
 73 population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine months, 38 states exercised the 
 74 option. The result: 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the 
 75 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph.
 76     Working with death reports from the first 38 states adopting the higher 
 77 speed limit, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that 1988 
 78 traffic fatalities on rural highways in those states increased 30 percent 
 79 compared to 1987. "It's a much greater increase in deaths than would have been 
 80 expected if speed limits hadn't been changed," says groups spokesman Brian 
 81 O'Neill.
 82     There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the 
 83 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. About one in every nine drivers, 
 84 or about 20 million U.S. residents, says they own a radar detector, generating 
 85 gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly. Connecticut, one of 10 
 86 states still enforcing 55 mph, found 85 percent of motorists were exceeding 
 87 that limit.
 88     In 1984, the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academies 
 89 of Science and Engineering, said states spent about $512 million annually to 
 90 enforce 55 mph on about 35 percent to 40 percent of all moving traffic. Other 
 91 findings: 52,000 to 82,000 fewer injuries a year and about $122 million to 
 92 $240 million less in medical, legal and vehicle repair bills.
 93 MOST CRASHES ARE DRIVER ERRORS:-8/28/89
 94     Nearly 21 million auto-related accidents, resulting in 48,700 deaths and 
 95 1.8 million disabling injuries, occurred in 1987, the National Safety Council 
 96 reports. Most, 67 percent, were caused by driver error. In a recent survey of 
 97 500 motorists commissioned by Valvoline Oie1l Company 33 percent wrongly said a
 98 aflashing red traffic light meant "proceed with caution."
 99     Debate continues to rage after states raised speed limits on certain 
100 sections of interstate highway to 65 mph. But concern about just how fast U.S. 
101 residents should drive is sure to intensify over preliminary evidence that 
102 more people have died in highway accidents as a result of the higher speed 
103 limit.
104     In 1974, in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, Congress imposed a 55 mph 
105 limit nationwide; the standard was made permanent the next year. Two years ago 
106 Congress gave states permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural 
107 interstates where surrounding population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine 
108 months, 38 states exercised the option; Georgia and Virginia did so just last 
109 year.
110     Two years ago 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the 
111 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph. Later, another 2,200 miles 
112 of similar road in 16 states was added on a trial basis. But faster speeds 
113 brought more deaths, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says. 
114 Preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent increase in deaths on rural 
115 interstates.
116     There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the 
117 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. Connecticut, one of 10 states 
118 still enforcing 55 mph, found earlier this year that 85 percent of motorists 
119 were exceeding that limit. The state could lose federal highway money if that 
120 scofflaw figures holds up through 1989.
121     In Pennsylvania, where 1,184 miles of eligible interstate remain at 55 
122 mph, the Legislature considered going to 65 this spring. The debate bogged 
123 down when somebody suggested banning radar detectors. About one in every nine 
124 drivers, or about 20 million U.S. residents, acknowledges owning a radar 
125 detector, generating gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly.
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128                                                                                
008=Usr:277 Schizo            08/30/89 00:19  Msg:4280 Call:23600  Lines:43
129 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
130 Old glory,  also know as pancake-head,  was strolling in the forrest one day
131 when he heard the distant call of a paratrouper.  Remembering is grade school
132 training,  he quickly ran to the principal's house only to find the house
133 empty. It seems that the principal had died some years earlier and hadn't left
134 a cent to poor pancake-head.  Feeling hyper depressed,  as he tended to feel
135 after discovering the neglegence of the dead,  he decided that the next best
136 thing to do was to releive himself on the nearest public building.  On this
137 particular day,  his urine was a light pink color presumably from thinking
138 about how stupid the proccess of voting in the united states really is.
139 Pancake-head soon finished off the building,  only to discover that it was
140 schedualed for daily maintanance.  Damn he thought,  now I'll have to go back
141 to grandma's place and drink more glue before I can do this again!
142   all this trouble would have gone unnoticed if it hadn't been for the
143 fact that an extra-terrestrial named skinhead hadn't been looking in on the
144 doings on planet Earth that day.  Well,  skinhead thought,  theses earth people
145 sure are ****ed up.  I'm gonna have to get down to earth and show 'em how we
146 do things on the planet glats.  So he hopped into the one way transmat beam,
147 not realizing that Earth technolegy at that time was only capable of
148 trans-beaming to nearby tourist traps,  and then only if they had a sufficient
149 amount of cash to purchase more stuff than would go back through the transmat
150 beam at one time.
151   Pancake-head was on his way to Grandma's house when his leg broke in the
152 middle of nowhere.  It seemed obvious to pancake-head that trouble was in his'
153  future.  At that instant,  skinhead appeard due to a severe malfuntion in
154 the transmat beam.  The malfunction also caused skinhead to mutate into an
155 orian slave girl (the green kind as seen on star trek!).  well, as you can
156 guess, Pancake-head was overwhelmed with lust.  Skinhead didn't have a chance
157 as pancake-head's body instinctivly lept 20 feet in the air and landed in the
158 correct region of skinhead's body to begin mating procedures. The force of
159 pancake-head's landing knocked skinhead out cold.  after finishing the task,
160 pancake-head lay dead upon skinhead.
161   It was some hours later when skinhead awoke from the concussion,  only to
162 find several large dents in his titanium lined underwear,  and Pancake head
163 lying atop him.  skinhead decided not to try to reform earth has he originally
164 set out to do.  Instead,  realizing the tremendous earning potential an
165 Orian slave girl has in this part of the Galexy,  skinhead married several
166 earth men in succession and killed them by letting them try to mate though
167 his titanium underwear.  This action led to several million dollars being
168 given to skinhead as a result of the wills left by the now deceased and
169 sterile husbands.
170   In short,  skinhead lived happily ever after.
171 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  08/30/89 08:11  Msg:4281 Call:23606  Lines:15
172 &*&*&*&*'s
173      To those that don't like the news,
174 1. We never seem to hear from you, unless you are bitching about the news.
175 2. Not all of us have the time or money to get this stuff elsewhere, so
176 its new to us.
177 3. when Whomever stops posting that stuff backwater grounds to a halt, as
178 much as two days pass before anything is entered.
179  
180 leading to
181 4. If you want me to come out against the news then start contributing
182 yourselves. ANYTHING is better then NOTHING.
183  
184 An Astral Dreamer (Feeling cantankerous this morning, and not able to spell)
185 &*&*&*&*'s
186  
010=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill     08/30/89 11:33  Msg:4282 Call:23608  Lines:44
187 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
188 > SWOB:
189 >      Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around 
190 > for a long time.
191  
192         I realize this.  Ternary logic problems are indeed fun, but to be 
193         meaningful they require a set of circumstances where three values 
194         may occur.  I do not see truth and falsehood as having a third value,
195         (I don't think anybody does) and that was my point.  Facts are either
196         true or false, never anything else.  In short, I'm not saying that
197        logic cannot be applied to cases where more than two values are 
198         possible, I'm only saying that truth and falsehood is not such
199         a case.
200  
201 > They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base
202 > other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic. 
203  
204         True.  Unfortunately, multi-valued logic can be appropriate or
205         inappropriate to a given problem.  With varied bases, the answer
206         is still the same, but with varied logic values you make assumptions
207         about the data beforehand.  If the quartic/quintic system of logic
208         presented had come up with the same answers as the binary, I would
209         not have any disagreement with its usage.
210  
211 >      Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system!
212 > There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic 
213 > logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge
214 > and the meta-language.
215  
216          I considered this problem when trying to think of an actual
217          impossible situation.  Doesn't the meta-language only come
218          into play with blanket statements about the whole group, such
219          as the proverbial Sicilian who says 'All Sicilians are liars'?
220          'This sentence is false' is a self-referential ("This"), so I
221          figured it was outside the realm of the meta-language.  Forgive
222          me if I was wrong.  My point is only that something cannot be
223          both true and false.
224  
225 "Sometimes the beauty of the world is so overwhelming.  I just want
226  to throw back my head and gargle.  Just gargle and gargle, and I    _
227  don't care who hears me, because I am beautiful."                  /#)
228                -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts"             n   n   n (#/ 
229                                                         / ~~~ ~~~ \/
230 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    08/30/89 14:58  Msg:4283 Call:23611  Lines:14
231 ...................................................
232 As she stood there, trying to decide the best course of action, Friar spoke:  
233 "The is no need to run away.  No one will harm you.  At least no one I've 
234 seen so far.  There are those who seem to thrive on gore, but not I, or (I
235 think) those following me."  She thought about his words.  She thought of her
236 mission.  She thought of her safety.  "Do you remember where the pond lies?" 
237 she asked.  Friar paused,  a look crossed his face as if an old wound had been
238 laid open again.  The others were within hearing distance now. They seemed to
239 hesitate, as if they weren't sure they weren't intruding.  As if their 
240 curiosity had taken control of their bodies, and they found themselves drawn to
241 this couple, almost beyond their control.  Before anyone else could speak, 
242 Friar broke the tension....
243 ......................................................
244                                                                              
012=Usr:4 Milchar           08/30/89 18:45  Msg:4284 Call:23615  Lines:7
245 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
246 Thanks for the memories, O Man of Little Parity (if any).  'Twas truly
247 a pleasant night.
248 And now there is a new Keeper of the Archives, by far the easiest copy
249 ever made.  Of course, he had to find a partition with enough free
250 space left... :-)
251 ++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ August 30, 1989 +++++++++++++
013=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock   08/30/89 20:14  Msg:4285 Call:23617  Lines:6
252 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
253 Friar and Ms. '...' Border:  I noted the last entry of Ms. '...' with a bit of
254 confusion.  Last I checked, The Cloaked Man was confronting Friar on the Road.
255 If I MISSED something, forgive me, but if that is so, an update would be
256 appreciated.
257 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  08/30/89 20:19  Msg:4286 Call:23618  Lines:6
258 &*&*&*&*'s
259 Thats a problem with Multi-Authored stories. It's also half the fun.
260  
261 An Astral Dreamer (What, no rebutals to my last entry?)
262 &*&*&*&*'s
263  
015=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp  08/30/89 21:21  Msg:4287 Call:23620  Lines:10
264 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>30-Aug-89
265 This is is a test of Network Zero.  We're attempting to get the bugs out of our
266 up-link, down-link inter-phase....Please stay tuned for news as we invent it,
267 here on World Watch Three.
268  
269 This is only a test.
270  
271 If this were an actual emergency, we wouldn't be conducting this test.
272 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
273 ^p
016=Usr:277 Schizo            08/30/89 23:05  Msg:4288 Call:23625  Lines:2
274 I lurked...  It's no fair looking at the "privlaged" information either,
275 it would completely ruin the spirit of this message!! So don't do it!!
017=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    08/31/89 00:16  Msg:4289 Call:23629  Lines:62
276 696969696969                                                                 
277                       JUDGE FINES ABORTION PROTESTERS:-8/30/89
278     Twelve members of Operation Rescue were fined $10,000 each Tuesday and 
279 ordered to pay $111,000 to lawyers for groups that advocate abortion rights 
280 for violating a court order against blockading women's clinics in Southern 
281 California. Their lawyer said blockades were necessary to save babies. But 
282 U.S. District Judge A. Wallace Tashima called the defendants "hypocrites."
283 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89
284     A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting 
285 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier, 
286 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of 
287 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to 
288 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare.
289 Where WERE the right-to-lifers when they were needed?                     
290                                                                                
291                        DEBATE - CHILD CARE  USA TODAY'S OPINION:
292     No mother, no father should have to pass up a good job because there's no 
293 one to care for their children. No child should be left alone before or after 
294 school. No parent should have to worry all day about the safety of the child 
295 dropped off for care on the way to work. Solving the problem won't be cheap. 
296 But child care is one of the best investments we can make.
297  OTHER VIEWS:
298     TOTTIE ELLIS, vice president of the Eagle Forum and a free-lance writer: 
299 Children belong to their parents and not to the government. Parents should 
300 delay their wants, realizing a child is more valuable than cars, TVs or other 
301 material objects.
302     JEFF RIGGENBACH, free-lance writer and broadcaster: We should not ask 
303 government to "do something." ... We should demand that it undo what it has 
304 done in the past. If our elected officials really want to help us out of the 
305 current child-care crisis, they should begin by backing off.
306     PRESIDENT BUSH: "We must put our trust in parents, not in expanded 
307 bureaucracies."
308     SEN. ORRIN G. HATCH, R-Utah: "I started looking at the statistics and the 
309 facts, and when you do, you ask `What are we doing to our families?' You've 
310 got to be concerned about the parents who just don't know what to do."
311     NATIONAL GOVERNORS' ASSOCIATION TASK FORCE ON CHILDREN: "The federal 
312 government can lead best by example, beginning by developing a coherent 
313 national strategy to support families and their children."
314     OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLA., Robert H. Alexander Jr., 38, lawyer: "The best day 
315 care is not one type, but a range of options that best suits each family. That 
316 could mean government-sponsored day care or private-sector day care."
317     VISALIA, CALIF., Norma Kemper, 63, retired teacher: "I think the old-
318 fashioned way of staying at home is the best kind, if families can afford it. 
319 If not, then day-care centers that are well-staffed, at good facilities and 
320 affordable are fine. I'm not so sure the government should get involved in day 
321 care. It gets into so much and then things go haywire."
322     ARLINGTON, VA., Sam Marsh, 34, outreach coordinator: "The best day care 
323 would be the mother taking care of her own child. But that's not feasible in 
324 every situation. The government should help in some way. I like President 
325 Bush's proposal for a tax credit to offset the cost for day care. Maybe that's 
326 not the best we can do right now, but at least it's a start."
327 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89
328     A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting 
329 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier, 
330 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of 
331 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to 
332 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare.
333                                                                                
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335                                                                               
336 to |||||====== , or whatever.... you must have missed something, or mis-read.
337                                                                                
018=Usr:29 The Bard          08/31/89 16:06  Msg:4290 Call:23640  Lines:35
338 SWOB:
339      Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continum. I doubt it
340 is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly 
341 mathematically.
342      Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way.
343      As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential"
344 sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the 
345 language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth 
346 value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the sysmbols.
347      <this sentence> <is> <false>. 
348      <x> <is> <y>.
349      <this sentence> is a symbol. <false> is a symbol.
350      <This sentence> is not The Sentence In Question. <false> is not False,
351 which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question.
352      A good example is the BASIC statement:  A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics
353 this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the value
354 of A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking
355 at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox! 
356 	"This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English, or it 
357 is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated. In the first case, it
358 isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self-
359 reference isn't allowed.
360   
361      BTW, if you want examples of "multi-value logic" in the real world, ask a
362 scientist about "degrees of confidence". You have a range from False to true 
363 with stops along the way at various degrees of "probably true" and "probably
364 false". Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about
365 those facts*. Facts are either true or false. Statements about reality have
366 degrees of truth. Note also that a "fact" is a wondrously complex thing.
367 "Water boils at 100 degrees C" is not a fact. "Pure H2O boils at 100 degrees
368 C at standard atmospheric pressure" is a lot closer to being a fact, but 
369 there are still loopholes that have to be closed. ("pure" and "boils" both need
370 some work.."
371 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bard~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
372@off
019=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       09/01/89 01:43  Msg:4291 Call:23654  Lines:97
373  
374  
375 {+}{+}{+}{+}
376  
377                       -|-  F  I  S  H  N  E  W  S  -|-
378                             -|-   EDITORIAL   -|-
379  
380          STRANGE JUSTICE IN CHARLOTTE : THE LORD REALLY DOES WORK IN 
381  
382                               MYSTERIOUS WAYS
383  
384                                By ThingFish
385  
386  
387            It's been quite an uplifting week in the news. The twin 
388          spectacle of Leona Helmsley and Jim Bakker being whipped like 
389          dogs and ground into sausage before our video eyes is the best 
390          thing to come over CNN since Lloyd Bentson made Danny Quayle's 
391          lower lip quiver. 
392  
393            The wretched saga of Jism Jim and Pancake Tammy, in 
394          particular, has reached an all new level of hellish grief and 
395          humiliation; or joyous rapture, depending on which side of the 
396          drama you're on. 
397  
398            Bakker is up on some very heavy fraud and conspiracy charges -
399          24 counts in all - which could, in theory, net him 120 years in 
400          prison and a 5 million dollar fine. The PTL "Partners" would 
401          need to dig deep, yet again, to pay off a ticket like that - and 
402          their numbers, and contributions, have been dwindling of late. 
403          It's beginning to look like God Almighty may be sympathetic to 
404          the D.A.'s point of view on this one. 
405  
406            On the third day of the trial in Charlotte, North Carolina,
407          former PTL vice-president Steve Nelson collapsed on the witness 
408          stand - effectively bringing the proceedings to a halt while 
409          urgent prayers from Bakker and an ambulance were summoned. 
410          Somewhere around this time Jim Bakker began feeling a little 
411          light in his loafers himself. 
412          
413               Day four never got off the ground at all. U.S. District 
414          Judge Robert Potter suspended the trial, sent the jury home and 
415          had Bakker committed for psychiatric testing amid baffling 
416          reports that Bakker was found trying to stuff his head under a 
417          couch in order to better escape the scary monsters he was busily 
418          hallucinating. Bakker could be institutionalized for up to 60 
419          days, and he began his journey to the nuthouse by assuming the 
420          fetal position in the backseat of a federal automobile. The U.S. 
421          marshals were not amused. 
422  
423            Some feel that this is all a ruse, a sham cooked up by Jim and 
424          Tammy to take the heat off for a while so they can re-group. But 
425          Bakker was led away IN HANDCUFFS and is now spending his days 
426          and nights in a FEDERAL CORRECTIONS FACILITY. If this freak show 
427          is all just calculated showboating, it can't be working out the 
428          way the Bakkers had hoped. Surely a nice limo ride to a nice 
429          private hospital would have been more what they had in mind. 
430  
431            Tammy Faye was quick to point out that they have been under a 
432          lot of stress lately. Well, maybe so. There are a lot of people 
433          up on charges in this country, but you don't often find them 
434          cowering under the furniture, dodging giant flying manta rays 
435          that are trying to bite their heads off. When a man in a suit 
436          hits the deck to hide from something no one else can see, there 
437          is usually something stonger than stress involved. Maybe Jim has 
438          been dipping into the same diet pills that led Tammy to observe 
439          in-flight monkeys frolicking on the wing of their Lear jet a few 
440          years back. Perhaps these witness stand fainting spells and 
441          early morning lapses into psychosis are a warning sign that the 
442          all-night, hysteria fueled prayer/testimony rehearsal sessions 
443          have reached a dangerously fevered pitch in the Bakker camp. 
444  
445            Another possibility is that what we are witnessing is a kind 
446          of Divine Justice in action, and never mind any courts of law, 
447          legal posturing, or sentencing guidelines. If Jim Bakker has 
448          soiled the carpet of decent society, maybe this is God's way of 
449          rubbing his nose in the steaming mess. And if Jim Bakker is a 
450          bad doggie, you must admit that the Lord has a mighty good arm 
451          with that rolled up newspaper. 
452  
453            Rather than smite him down with a thunderbolt from heaven, 
454          maybe it is God's will that Jim Bakker writhe in secular agony, 
455          that he be left twisting in the wind, fighting off the demons of 
456          his tortured soul, with only his frightening wife, his failed 
457          empire, his financial ruin, and his uncertain future to comfort 
458          him. 
459  
460  
461                   Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
462                                   (Romans 12:19)
463  
464                                  -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
465                             Gimme That Ole Time Religion
466  
467  
468 {+}{+}{+}{+}
469  
020=Usr:219 Friar Mossback    09/01/89 16:14  Msg:4292 Call:23668  Lines:3
470 Milch-
471 First 1.75 years are as long in paper as last quarter 83.
472 Friar
021=Usr:4 Milchar           09/01/89 17:48  Msg:4293 Call:23670  Lines:6
473 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
474 Quite a variance in the number of entries, eh?  I believe BW's usage
475 chart peaks out in '85 sometime, when a 629-line-disk-a-day was common.
476 It took me quite a while to read the archives up to my appearance, a few
477 hours at a time....
478 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
022=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman    09/01/89 19:00  Msg:4294 Call:23671  Lines:97
479 696969696969                                                                   
480                 YEAH THINGFISH !! Halleluiah !!BAKKER COMMITTED FOR TESTING:-9/
481     The tumultuous trial of Jim Bakker takes an extended, unscheduled Labor 
482 Day break this week - with the disgraced televangelist committed to a 
483 psychiatric facility. Bakker, charged with fraud and conspiracy, has been 
484 hallucinating and hiding in his lawyer's office in the fetal position, a 
485 defense psychiatrist told the Charlotte, N.C., federal court Thursday.
486     Bakker, reportedly, now has free run of the grounds at a federal prison.  
487 Inmates have been warned by officials to watch their wallets closely.    
488                                                                               
489 LEE ATWATER, head of the National Republican Committee, had this comment:  "I
490 think Jim Bakker should receive a full pardon for all the things he didn't do
491 wrong.  After all, he was behaving in the manner we promote for all good
492 Republicans to behave.  We are just sorry we weren't able to involve him with
493 all the good Lord's bounty we other Republicans received from HUD.  I feel  
494 that if we had a few more Jim Bakkers in this world, we could achive a 
495 Republican majority in the House of Representatives again in our life time."
496                                                                               
497                NEW IDEA FOR FIGHTING DRUGS:-9/1/89
498     An Idaho doctor has come up with a novel idea for combating drug use in 
499 sports: pool the team's urine samples after competition. Dr. Fritz R. Dixon of 
500 Boise suggested in Friday's Journal of the American Medical Association that 
501 if the group sample was found to contain drugs, the team would lose the 
502 competition, forcing teams - not individuals - to accept responsibility for 
503 fighting drugs.
504                            sounds like a good idea to me                     
505                                                                              
506 consider this next one in light of the press reports of this country's first
507 involvement in Viet Nam  ... Want to start a war to revive the economy?  Send
508 the advisers first, then we'll need to support them with fighting soldiers, 
509 then we'll need to send material......                                      
510                TRAINERS ARRIVE IN COLOMBIA:-9/1/89
511     U.S. military trainers and equipment begin arriving in Colombia Thursday - 
512 the first big U.S. role in that country's war against the cocaine kings. The 
513 Pentagon said Thursday that up to 100 U.S. military personnel would train 
514 Colombian police to use helicopters, small attack planes, weapons and C-130 
515 cargo planes.
516 Of course, LEE ATWATER had a comment:   "We did our damnest to get a war going
517 in Central America during the Reagan years, but the Contras were more intereste
518 in selling drugs than fighting, so we were forced to give up.  Now, the America
519 people are realizing that our "War on Drugs" is a sham, and we have to appear
520 to do something about it.  Now, we can use that as an excuse for putting 
521 young American lives on the line, send more money south, and look like we're 
522 doing something.  I feel that far-sighted thinking like this will all but 
523 ensure a Republican majority in the House in our lifetime."               
524                                                                                
525                OIL FIRMS FIGHT METHANOL:-9/1/89
526     Faced with the growing momentum of the clean-air movement, big oil 
527 companies are scrambling to head off drastic proposals that would replace 
528 gasoline with alcohol fuels, such as methanol, the Sept. 4 issue of Business 
529 Week reports. 
530     Major oil companies are racing to develop "reformulated" gasolines so they 
531 can compete with alternative fuels, and protect their $100 billion-a-year U.S. 
532 gasoline market from methanol competition, says the Sept. 4 Business Week. 
533 "They don't want to have methanol crammed down their throats," says John R. 
534 Dosher, managing director at Pace Consultants Inc.
535     Top Bush administration officials favor methanol as a new fuel because it 
536 produces 50 percent less smog or ozone than gasoline, the Sept. 4 Business 
537 Week reports. By 1997, 30 percent of all new cars sold in the nine dirtiest 
538 cities in the United States will have to burn cleaner fuels, such as methanol, 
539 under the administration's proposed revisions to the Clean Air Act.
540     Oil companies are hot for reformulated gasoline because they can produce 
541 it in existing refineries, says the Sept. 4 issue of Business Week. But 
542 gasoline can't match methanol as a smog-reducer. Removing lead from gasoline 
543 results in fuels that produce more smog. Refiners have substituted aromatic 
544 compounds that include carcinogens, such as benzene and other smog-producing 
545 chemicals.
546     Arco is working on a reformulated gasoline that reduces evaporative 
547 emissions by 21 percent, yet lowers unburned hydrocarbons - the main culprits 
548 in smog - by only 4 percent. Arco says future gains will be tougher, according 
549 to the Sept. 4 Business Week. It would cost $17 billion to cut aromatics just 
550 10 percentage points, says Information Resources Inc.
551     Refiners claim they can perfect a better gasoline within five years, but 
552 they might not have that much time, says the Sept. 4 Business Week. Despite 
553 oil industry opposition, Colorado passed new clean-air laws two years ago. 
554 Also, California wants 40 percent of all new cars to burn methanol by 2000, 
555 and eight Northeastern states are studying stringent clean-air proposals.
556     LEE ATWATER could not be reached for comment.                             
557                                                                                
558                   7TH WITNESS IMPLICATES ROSE:-9/1/89
559     A seventh witness in the trial of Thomas P. Gioiosa has offered testimony 
560 implicating Cincinnati Reds' manager Pete Rose in tax fraud. Shirley 
561 Fehrenbach, whose daughter dated Gioiosa for a year, said that Gioiosa had 
562 bragged he was sheltering Rose's track winnings from taxes.
563     As Lee Atwater, Chairman of the Republican National committee, said:  "Only
564 little people pay taxes.  I don't understand what everyone's upset about Pete
565 Rose, Leona Helmsly, and and Jim Bakker not paying taxes...it's common practice
566 for us big people.  If they had to pay taxes on the actual amount of money they
567 get, it will leave that much less for them to buy Republican candidates.  If 
568 they don't buy Republican candidates and the elections, we'll never get a 
569 Republican majority in the House again, and we may lose control of the 
570 Presidency and Senate too.  If the wealthy in this country have to follow the
571 same rules and laws the middle and lower classes do, what's the point of being
572 ludicrusly wealthy?"                                or words to that effect. 
573                                                                                
574 696969696969696969                                                            
575                                                                                
023=Usr:272 Talos             09/02/89 01:59  Msg:4295 Call:23677  Lines:34
576 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
577  
578                          A TRUE STORY IN THE DAY IN THE
579                            LIFE OF A "COP-WANNA-BE"
580  
581  
582           A short story though looking back it made me feel better about my job
583 as a security officer with Crowd Management Services (CMS). We do mostly 
584 concerts and events like that. The other night I was working the George Clinton
585 concert at Stary Night. All night I'd been checking coats at the door for guns,
586 booze, cameras, etc. I also had to tell people they couldn't leave and come 
587 back, Stary Night has a 'No re-entry' policy. After 6 hours of doing this the 
588 concert was over and people started leaving. A young lady came up to me and 
589 asked about paging her friend because she'd lost her. My partner went up to the
590 main floor and looked around for her. No luck. I walked her around for 20 
591 minutes, through parking lots and small crowds looking for her friend. No luck.
592 She was from Seattle, lost, scared, and a little drunk. She was nearing tears &
593 her friend was nowhere to be found. It was also time for me to stow my gear and
594 get home. Well, it was my job to protect her, a paying customer of the concert,
595 and to make sure things were 'cool'. At one point she nearly broke out in tears
596@ 
597 and screamed. She said "please hold me!" in a rather terrified voice. I held 
598 her and said "It's going to be all right. I'll stow my gear, we'll get you to a
599 phone and you can call a friend of yours. I won't leave you alone until you get
600 to your friend." She settled down and I walked her back to the hall. I checked 
601 in my shirt and got my stuff and went to get her a phone. Lo and behold her 
602 friend was there. They hugged and talked to her for a bit and I walked out with
603 a pat on her shoulder and said "Don't lose your friends, it'll be all right 
604 now." I caught a cab and came home. 
605      Thinking about it, I remembered holding her in my arms and telling her 
606 that everything would be all right. Yeah, it's a rough job, but at times 's 
607 really worth the effort.
608                                                             Talos Valheru
609 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
024=Usr:588 Wayne S.          09/02/89 14:54  Msg:4296 Call:23682  Lines:11
610 ================================================================
611  
612 You know, I'm awful tired of dropping by this board and reading about
613 trivial matters like politics and religions and science and logic, etc.
614 No, I want to bring up a question that _really_ impacts life on this
615 planet!
616  
617 What does anyone here think of the new NFL noise penalty? Is it good?
618 Is it bad? and most importantly, will it work?
619  
620 ========================Signer====================================
025=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      09/02/89 17:47  Msg:4297 Call:23684  Lines:4
621 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
622 I heard that the judge wanted to sentance Jimmy to working six months for
623 Leona Helmsley, but he couldn't. There are laws about cruel and inhuman
624 punishment in this country.
026=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      09/02/89 17:49  Msg:4298 Call:23685  Lines:1
625 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
027=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  09/02/89 19:17  Msg:4299 Call:23686  Lines:18
626 ======================---------------===================-------------==========
627  
628 Yeah man, the rehashed news stories just feeds the creative whim of everyone
629 here. I mean when I read something on backwater that I just saw on the Today
630 show two days earlier, the first thing I want to do is write my own original
631 entry. I am sure it is the same for everyone.
632  
633 By all means keep on entering stolen articles from other news sources, so
634 backwater can continue to thrive!
635  
636 Makes sense to me yuck yuck yuck
637  
638 Speaking of which - how do you know what I do here or how much I contribute?
639 Either you are making gross assumptions or you are peaking at information
640 you have no business peaking at. Shame on you!
641  
642 --------------------=================== Charitable ==================----------
643  
028=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       09/03/89 01:24  Msg:4300 Call:23697  Lines:25
644  
645  
646 {+}{+}{+}{+}
647  
648                             Nice Going Talos.
649  
650          My job is full of small rewards and petty frustrations too, and 
651            sometimes you can't tell which is which until you get home
652                                 and think it over. 
653  
654          I'm in no hurry to regress into seventies love-coated share 
655           fests...but it is nice to read an occasional slice-o-life 
656              reflection from time to time among the cool stories
657                                and harsh opinions. 
658  
659            I assume behind every sharp hacker there lies a real person..
660                          ...its good to hear from you.
661  
662  
663                                -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
664                          Get Outta Here, Ya Big Softie....
665  
666  
667 {+}{+}{+}{+}
668  
029=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  09/03/89 15:51  Msg:4301 Call:23704  Lines:1
669 The petrie dish kid was here!
030=Usr:322 Stray Cat         09/03/89 20:02  Msg:4302 Call:23706  Lines:3
670  
671 ahhhhaaa, a clone eh?  
672  
031=Usr:13 voyeur            09/04/89 00:02  Msg:4303 Call:23714  Lines:2
673 Hmmm.... I think the petrie dish kid is missing a chromosome...
674  
032=Usr:272 Talos             09/04/89 00:17  Msg:4304 Call:23715  Lines:12
675 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
676  
677 ThingFish, thanx. After I got home and thought about it, I really felt good
678 about what I did. Some guys would've ditched her or put a move on her. At one
679 point she had started walking away real fast like she was pissed off and didn't
680 want me to help her but I stayed with her. After I caught up with her is when 
681 she broke up. I like to think there are still SOME nice guys left. I went out 
682 and saw When Harry Met Sally tonight with a girl I've been seeing. Got some 
683 good vibes after the show. It's one of those 'feels good to be alive' nights 
684 now. Good night from Hollywood,
685                                                             Talos Valheru
686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
033=Usr:29 The Bard          09/04/89 00:23  Msg:4305 Call:23716  Lines:38
687 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
688 Tahl D'Jehn
689 (words & music: Diana Gallagher)
690  
691 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
692         bound for a new star, Chai-te,
693 Seeking new worlds for the ashin bey.
694         The colony awaits signal --- go or stay
695 The decision will be Tahl d'jehn's, the shtahn jii.
696  
697 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
698         found Chai-te rich beyond dreams.
699 But the Law applied, expansion denied,
700         if an intelligence there did abide.
701 The Mediators had so agreed it should be.
702  
703 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
704         chose to explore Chai-te Two.
705 Te sole living world, it showed no evidence
706         of an indigenous, alien intelligence --
707 Until a derelict probe was taken in tow.
708  
709 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni
710         analyzed the facts, then he knew.
711 The NASA were gone, drowned in a sea
712         of carbon dioxide in antqiy
713 The reasons Tahl questioned alone.
714  
715 CODA:   Why did they perish, not try to escape
716         Into the darkness and safety of space?
717         Why did they die -- jehda tohm?
718 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
719 As I have pointed out on another board, there is all to great a possibility
720 that the Voyagers and Pioneer spacecraft will be the only evidence that our
721 species ever existed. Thus the song above. 
722  
723 Let's make the above future impossible.
724 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
034=Usr:286 Jeff Marten       09/04/89 01:20  Msg:4306 Call:23717  Lines:16
725  
726  
727 {+}{+}{+}{+}
728  
729                              Some Free Advice
730  
731            Never...EVER...go to a Catholic wedding with a hangover.
732  
733                                You're Welcome
734  
735                             -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
736           All Rise...Please Be Seated...All Rise...Please Be Seated...
737  
738  
739 {+}{+}{+}{+}
740  
035=Usr:29 The Bard          09/04/89 13:44  Msg:4307 Call:23719  Lines:1
741 [1m
036=Usr:322 Stray Cat         09/04/89 13:58  Msg:4308 Call:23720  Lines:7
742  
743 Or attend mass on Palm Sunday when you're pregnant and have morning sickness.  
744 It's about a two-hour service ... I hit my funnybone on the way down (do they
745 still kneel???) and thought I was gonna die.  I wasn't feeling well anyway
746 and I wasn't Catholic either and had never really been to mass before ...
747  
748 done
037=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock   09/04/89 19:29  Msg:4309 Call:23725  Lines:6
749 Adios to all from Rayal Von Jerrik.  I  shall return from the Netherworld at
750 a later date, but for  now, I wishyou all goodbye and good luck!
751 I may not have been on for a loonlong time, but rest assured that I am still
752 here!
753 ArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrrArrArrArrArr
754 Away, ye scurvy landlubbers1
038=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par  09/04/89 23:28  Msg:4310 Call:23729  Lines:7
755 Or you could just skip the pregnancy thing altogether and go the petrie dish
756 method. Of course be careful when you are walking around the lab with the
757 stuff or you might lose that chromosome and end up using slow outdated 
758 computers for the rest of your life.
759  
760 The petrie-dish kid
761 ...................
039=Usr:13 voyeur            09/05/89 00:14  Msg:4311 Call:23732  Lines:3
762 I see! Dropping a Bit of genetic material would cause one to attain Parity with
763 a certain 'hombre, eh?  Gosh, I love Biology!
764  
040=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  09/05/89 09:09  Msg:4312 Call:23738  Lines:14
765 &*&*&*&*'s
766 What one contributes under another handle does not concern me. I judge only
767 under the handle that I am talking about. I don't think I should be expected
768 to either a) figure out what handle goes with which other handle. or b) 
769 relly on the easily defeated log.
770  
771 Now, about the news. I don't watch TV, other then an occasional movie on the 
772 VCR. I seldom have time to read the paper either, so the news is not old to
773 me. I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. You are entitled to
774 your opinion.
775  
776 An Astral Dreamer
777 &*&*&*&*'s
778  
041=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill     09/05/89 16:08  Msg:4313 Call:23745  Lines:127
779 > SWOB:
780 >      Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continuum.
781  
782         I'm still not convinced we've actually disagreed on much yet.
783         If you mean by this that we always make statements with less
784         than perfect certainty, I wholeheartedly agree.  If you mean
785         that some statements can be true in some cases, and not in
786         others, I also agree.  But if you are saying that a statement
787         about a particular thing can be somewhere between true and
788         false, I'm beginning to doubt.  Now surely something can be
789         "close" to the truth, as the models of modern Physics closely
790         parallel the actual observations, and if you were to call
791         modern physical models "near truth," I would tend to agree.
792         The only place I would depart from this statement is where
793         one is talking about something in the specific, well-defined,
794         and complete sense.  A statement must, in the end, be either
795         right-on or not.  This is the sense of truth I was referring
796         to when I said that things are either true or not.
797  
798 > I doubt it
799 > is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly 
800 > mathematically.
801  
802         With infinite precision?  probably not.  But if you widen your scope
803         enough, you'll eventually hit something that's true (i.e. instead of
804         saying "water boils at 100C", say something like "water boils" 
805         (I know, I know, 'how profound!'))
806  
807 >      Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way.
808  
809         At least back to Francis Bacon.  But, as William Golding said, some
810         use it as the end of an argument, instead of the beginning.
811  
812 >      As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential"
813 > sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the 
814 > language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth 
815 > value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the symbols.
816 >      <this sentence> <is> <false>. 
817 >      <x> <is> <y>.
818 >      <this sentence> is a symbol. <false> is a symbol.
819 >      <This sentence> is not The Sentence In Question. <false> is not False,
820 > which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question.
821  
822         I think I see what you mean: that the statement is not self-
823         referential.  But I can find no justification for this position.
824         To say that "this sentence" is on a different level of abstraction
825         than "false" does not ring true to me.  They are both particulars
826         and both concrete.  And I cannot agree with the statement that the
827         value of a sentence does not depend on the meaning of its symbols.
828         The sentence "I am human" can be true if and only if "I" (the
829         person, not the word or the concept) truly "am" (in the physical
830         sense) "human" (fall within whatever specifications determine
831         humanity).
832                 The sentence "All sentences are false" is not nonsense, 
833         because "all sentences" is a different level of abstraction than
834         the sentence in question.  "Never say never" is not a paradox
835         since the first "never" is talking about all statements, the 
836         second about particular ones (see Neil Portman, "Confusing Levels
837         of Abstraction").  I do not see this type of difference in "This
838         sentence is false."
839  
840 > A good example is the BASIC statement:  A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics
841 > this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the valu
842 > A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking
843 > at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox! 
844  
845         Of course, if you change what "is" means, you can make the sentence
846         coherent.  (In the preceding example, you have simply changed the
847         meaning of '=' from comparison to assignment)
848  
849 > "This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English,
850  
851         Exactly my point.  The sentence is pure nonsense.
852  
853 > or it 
854 > is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated.
855  
856         I suppose you can view it that way, but then you are taking away
857         its meaningfulness to the real world anyway.
858  
859 > In the first case, it
860 > isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self
861 >rerence isn't allowed.
862  
863         Exactly!  So what are we disagreeing on?  I think, perhaps, I was 
864         speaking solely in the first sense, while you were speaking solely
865         in the second.  
866  
867 > Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about
868 > those facts*.                        ^^^^^^^^^^
869  
870         In keeping with the context of the discussion, I was restricting
871         my discussion to the truth or falsity of facts only.  I agree 
872         completely that statements about facts can be "true" (accurate)
873         without being infinitely precise.
874  
875 > Facts are either true or false.
876  
877         Couldn't have said it better myself.
878  
879 > Statements about reality have
880 >degrees of truth.
881  
882         Yes, depending on how closely they approximate the facts.
883  
884         Well, I can't really see much that I disagree with other than the
885         nature of the statement 'This sentence is false.' (whether it is
886         self-referential or refers to something else).  I am content to
887         say that it is an assertion which can be assigned no logical value,
888         and is therefore not a proposition, but if it really is referring
889         (somehow) to the *concept* of a sentence rather than this particular
890         sentence, please explain how this is reconciled with other sentences
891         about particular things.
892                 In short, I don't know what the sentence is.  It seems to 
893         me to be nonsense, and since the application of levels of abstraction
894         and meta-language to self-referential truth statements is not a
895         burning question in my mind, I'm willing to drop it.  We seem to
896         agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are
897         either true or false.
898  
899 "I think there should be something in science called the 'reindeer
900  effect.'  I don't know what it would be, but I think it'd be good
901  to hear someone say, 'Gentlemen, what we have here is a terrifying  _
902  example of the reindeer effect.'"                                  /#)
903                -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts"             n   n   n (#/ 
904                                                         / ~~~ ~~~ \/
905 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
042=Usr:29 The Bard          09/05/89 22:10  Msg:4314 Call:23748  Lines:15
906 SWOB:
907 >We seem to agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are 
908 >either true or false.
909  
910 But what both Friar and I have been saying is that *statements* may be true,
911 false, or anything inbetween. Your exapmple above will do quite well:
912 "water boils". The statement may be true or it may be false. But it requires 
913 information not present in the statement OR IN THE RULES OF DISCOURSE to 
914 determine which. That Is why I said it is almost impossible to make a true 
915 statement about reality.
916 The statement must be able to stand on it's own. 
917 Likewise, "This sentence is false" can't be a paradox, because the only means
918 of parsing it that will even give it the appearance of one is English. English 
919 is not a "formal system". Thuis it can't have paradoxes...
920 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
043=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  09/06/89 09:51  Msg:4315 Call:23760  Lines:10
921 &*&*&*&*'s
922 But it ("This sentence is false.") Is Meaningless. Null Program. Same thing
923 as a paradox as far as I can see. Translate it to any other language (French,
924 Russion etc.) And you'll find it is just as meaningless. Much like saying 
925 A:=A; in pascal. Any good optomizer would get rid of it because of the lack 
926 of meaning.
927  
928 An Astral Dreamer
929 &*&*&*&*'s
930  
044=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir   09/06/89 19:04  Msg:4316 Call:23775  Lines:9
931 Blue Parrot Blues
932  
933 I've been away for a few days and upon my return, I can't seem to
934 revive the Parrot.  The darned thing won't boot up.  Please 
935 consider the Parrot off-line until I can figure out what the
936 problem is.
937  
938                         Michael Bigham
939 -------------------------------------------------------------------
045=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY      09/06/89 20:36  Msg:4317 Call:23776  Lines:3
940 Ack! Help Somebody! I'm going through Parrot withdrawl! Ack!
941 Awk! Awk! Polly wanna cracker! Awk!
942 ==================================================================
046=Usr:507 todd rogers       09/06/89 22:10  Msg:4318 Call:23779  Lines:14
943 -------
944 -------
945 -------
946 -------
947 ------- I just stopped by to say that i have nothing to say.
948 ------- That is i would have had nothing to say if I didn't stop
949 ------- by and say that i had nothing to say. But now that I've
950 ------- said that i had nothing to say, I guess that was something
951 ------- in itself..... Hmmmmm.... I'm going to have to think
952 ------- about this for a while.....
953 -------
954 ------- When you say your thinking about nothing, are you thinking
955 ------- about nothing or are you thinking ABOUT nothing....
956 ------- If you catch my drift...  that is if I throw it.
047=Usr:4 Milchar           09/06/89 23:40  Msg:4319 Call:23780  Lines:5
957 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
958 And Celene is back on the air!  Well, sort of.  My spell laboratory is
959 set up on a kitchen table here in Rose City, pending a more permanent
960 transfer of equipment.  But at least I can catch up on BW...
961 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
048=Usr:84 Michael Miller j  09/07/89 09:40  Msg:4320 Call:23785  Lines:3
962  
963 sed! sed! perl! perl!
964  
049=Usr:289 Audie Huber       09/07/89 17:11  Msg:4321 Call:23797  Lines:17
965 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846
966  
967      Just another psychotic.  How many of you nimno Backwaterians are
968 heading off to college this month.  Or how many of you are in college
969 right now.  I'm headin' off to University of Oregon, so I'll be missing
970 BWMS.  Just wonderin'.
971  
973 There once was a woman from Bright,
974 Who travled much faster than light.
975 She went out one day, in a relative way,
976 And returned the previous night.
977  
978 History does not repeat itself, historians repeat each other.
979  
980                                          --Audie Huber.
981 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846
050=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill     09/07/89 21:47  Msg:4322 Call:23802  Lines:11
982 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
983 Some timely advice for Milch follows, but mostly just a swoblurk...
984                          ||
985                          \/
986 "f you keep some people's brains alive by putting them in an 
987  aquarium after they're dead, go ahead and put in some snails to keep
988  down that algae.  But not too many, because the snails could        _
989  overpopulate and crowd out the brains from the habitat."           /#)
990                -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts"             n   n   n (#/ 
991                                                         / ~~~ ~~~ \/
992 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
051=Usr:277 Schizo            09/07/89 22:29  Msg:4323 Call:23803  Lines:7
993 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
994 Here is the end.
995 The terrible lifesucking merciless end.
996 And I stand alone,  my only companion
997 that which I belive to be here,  but not seen,  not heard.
998 And not even belived by most who have gone before me. The end.
999 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@
