From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Deal           
Date & Time: 05/20/90 18:29:14
Message Number  4800

Beats the shit outta me - I gave ya all the names I had and these are
*bare* boards.  The RAM card shouldn't be too tuff....
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/20/90 18:31:13
Message Number  4801

NAh - I'm talking about AFTER the system checks when it just sits there.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/20/90 18:38:03
Message Number  4802

I get your point about the Illiad but the copies that we have are 
acknowledged to be copies.  We also believe in the existence of Socrates
even though we only have ONE piece of text that asserts his existence!
Now are scientists and philossophers that naive?  Of course not.  You
acknowledge that the Old Testament is much older than 2000 years.  
Correct almost 4500 years old by our best dating methods.  The Old 
Testament documents God's dealings with His creations and the fact that
we "drifted" away from a close relationship with him.  It also points 
to the solution to the problem which is what the New Testanment document
I get kinda tired of people saying that the entire text of the Old
Testament is subject to doubt.  As far as authenticity (ie not a 
fabrication by a later generation or an outside group) it is the best
documented book ever.  The subject matter is what is in doubt in many 
peoples minds.  Ok - that is faith.  The point that I like to make is ]
that in this well authenticated book there are certain claims made that
jive with the real world.  Nah - I really don't hsve the time to
delve into the predictions or whatever.  Really I'm kind of tired of 
this discussion because most of the folks involved aren't interested
in pursuing any sort of philosophical or truth-seeking sort of discus-
sion --- they simply want to argue their point blindly.  Oh yeah back
to the point I started to make - we have copies of Old testament books
that are dated to the time they were actually written (ie originals or
near enough)  which we cannot claim for most Greek and Roman works.
Hell even Shakespeare's stuff is in doubt as to the author!!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Xnty...        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 18:53:08
Message Number  4803

Dear Lady - you really have hit a major part of it square on the head.
God really isn't an abstract concept to be bandied around with an
expectation of learning anything (if it happens - great!  Just don't
expect it).  Religion is a very personal thing that to truly get 
comfortable with - you have to ask yourself questions and then look
for answers.  Maybe it sound kind of stupid - but I think Chip will
agree with me that religion is merely a political manifestation of
belief.  In other words if we are all gonna get along we need some rules
Thus I believe most are inherently wrong to various degrees.  Your 
relationship to God is actually a personal one that you must develop
on your own, within your own framework.
BTW when ya wanna get together?  Ever been to Mulcahey's AKA the 
Doghouse?  I usually haunt the place Mondays (Buffalo Wings nite!)
and Wednesday (Taco Nite).  Sometimes I can drag along the guy I work 
with - but I go to just eat and relax.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 19:05:49
Message Number  4804

I dunno what point your tyrying to make unless you are genuinly unaware
that Islam descended from Ishmael and the animosity between Arabs and
Jews derives from the "stolen" birthright.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:25:39
Message Number  4805

>...partly atheist...
  Interesting stance. Which part?  One you don't mind losing if they're
right?
  Kind of like W.C. Fields's old disclaimer...just looking for loopholes
===========

From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: menus          
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:31:39
Message Number  4806

  Once - just once, I'd enjoy telling one of those cuties at Burger 
King  what "my way" really is...
===========

From: SAURON              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: They hate...   
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:37:49
Message Number  4807

  Yes, but seventeen of those had to do with things like surf conditions
and proper Pork garnishes, so they hardly count.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ::sigh::       
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:40:39
Message Number  4808

  I'm still new to this mush dos crap, but I have a modicum of savvy
when it comes to telecomunnications, and after evaluating 7 or 8 term
programs, Telix stands out as reasonably inoffensive.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: dirt, she says?
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:45:27
Message Number  4809

  The highlight of MY weekend was putting all my canned foods in 
alphabetical order. (once the Hungarian twin airline hostesses left) 
  So don't bitch to ME about dull weekends.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hack/cough     
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:51:21
Message Number  4810

  In an era when everyone seems to detest "labels" it's interesting that
you cling so fervently to the hacker label, and want everyone to know
what the term REALLY means. hehehehe.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:54:45
Message Number  4811

  Two thoughts occur:
   
  If your religious views are uncertain, that puts you smack into the
agnostic camp with 90% of the rest of us. (admitted or not)
  
  Also - Never apologize for anything, to me or anyone else.
  Sorry if that last sounds like I'm trying to tell you what to do. I'm
not.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Polynesians    
Date & Time: 05/20/90 21:58:08
Message Number  4812

  EVERY Polynesian? No, but s few. I have no idea what point I was
trying to make. I've forgotten. I have the attention span of a 3/8"
open-end wrench.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:00:44
Message Number  4813

  Certain California Redwood trees have existed for even longer than 
that. So what?  They still suck...except for making patio decks.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:04:45
Message Number  4814

  I don't know. What DOES O.M.A stand for?  BTW, I have it on good 
authority that the best scene from the 1938 serial "Flash Gordon's
trip to Mars" ended up on the cutting room floor. 
  See - Buster Crabbe got carried away and said something like...
  "Okay Ming, this time it's your ass!"
   
  BTW again - anyone remember who Dejah Thoris was?
===========

From: SAURON              
To: DELPHI              
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:17:15
Message Number  4815

  If you don't own a bra, you surely should buy one.
===========

From: SAURON              
To: C.C.A.              
Subject: Gimme that.... 
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:22:01
Message Number  4816

  "Okay honey, get ready for a REAL good time." (See Truck Stop Lust)
===========

From: SAURON              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: medeival       
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:26:54
Message Number  4817

>Winger
   Not Deborah?
===========

From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -System Crash- 
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:33:05
Message Number  4818

  I admire your stamina.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:51:03
Message Number  4819

If 2000 years from now somebody had a perfect copy of "Stranger in a
Strange Land", that would provide the same sort of "validation" you
give for the OT.  As for people here "simply want[ing] to argue their
point blindly" and not being interested in philosophy, I disagree.  If
you'll notice, most people's objections to your arguments don't come
from Biblical historical accuracy or lack thereof, but from the
underlying beliefs that Christianity is based on (or the beliefs that
most Christians act on, as the two are not necessarily identical).  It
would seem that out of all the debaters, excepting C.C.A., you are the
very one most open to the accusation you're making.  As a former New
College student said about a completely unrelated subject, "Think before
you think."
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SAURON              
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/20/90 22:59:56
Message Number  4820

Well, actually, I /did/ know who Dejah Thoris was once, but seem to have
forgotten.  Flash Gordon's girlfriend?  Or am I in the wrong serial?
   Dejah Thoris, or something very close to that (maybe Delilah, now
that I think about it--no, it was Dejah), was also the girl the player's
character was trying to rescue in Automated Simulations' 1980 computer
game "Rescue at Rigel", which still stands as one of the best spacegoing
computer RPG's written to date.  Automated Simulations later changed
their name to their most famous "imprint"--Epyx--and started producing
goop; their two best programmers left and formed Freefall Associates,
responsible for Archon I and II and, very recently, a new RPG from
Electronic Arts which looks very promising.
   I may not know 1930's serials, but I know obscure computer games
real well.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: Storyboard...  
Date & Time: 05/20/90 23:08:38
Message Number  4821

The Wyvern's Den is a pub occupying the first floor of an old three-
story building in downtown Raneadhros, the city-state capital of the
Ranean Empire.  The Den is run by an irascible, cigar-chomping balding
fat man named Donthen Varinn, who is said to be a retired wizard,
although few people have seen him do more than parlour tricks.  The
assistant barkeep is another human named Xonzoff, who may or may not be
Donthen's apprentice.
   Ranea itself exists on	 a world that straddles a pecularity in the
time-space continuum (that's right, not a singularity, a peculiarity).
Many dimensions exist in the universe--some with worlds very similar to
our own, some almost unrecognizably different.  All of these dimensions
"touch" at one, and only one point.  That point is the dimension where
Ranea sits.  From Ranea, it is possible to cross into any of the other
dimensions (with the appropriate magic/technology, of course); from the
other dimensions, you can only get to Ranea.  Many, or most, travellers
don't realize they are crossing through Ranea's plane of existence in
cross-dimensional travel... unless, of course, something goes wrong.
When it does, they usually end up there.
    Ranea itself exists on a world whose only native races (as far as
anyone can tell) are humans and the mysterious, magical Sidhe.  Over
the centuries, hundreds of other races have arrived here, either by
space or dimensional travel.  These races run the gamut from what we
would call elves and dwarves to "furries" (highly evolved, sapient
animals, usually bipedal and built quite similarly to humans, albeit
with pointed ears and fur), and occasionally to more off-the-wall types.
---
"Ranean Tales" is a free-form role-playing game where participants have
characters, but there is no referee.  The world has appeared in stories
in "FurVersion" and shortly in "YARF!" and this storyboard existed on my
own BBS, "The Wyvern's Den", for about a year.  Well, we're back.
I'll be posting "catch-up" summaries shortly.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Bungee!        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 23:44:06
Message Number  4822

Welp, I have a feeling we'd have to weigh the Turtle down with a
few rocks or a shell or something -- Right now it is too light to do
"The Bungee Thing" with any performance...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Nusubject (tm) 
Date & Time: 05/20/90 23:49:39
Message Number  4823

> The only problem with hotkeys is the line noise, or pressing the 
> wrong key and having it go to the wrong menu...
 
Or running Dim-Witted BBS-PC for the AMiga, which has menus like...
 
[C]hat SysOp
[F]eedback
[G]oodbye
[C/1] File Area #1
[C/2] File Area #2
etc...
 
And if you attempt to type "C/1" when the menu is displaying, or just 
a tad bit too early before the prompt is displayed, you get:
 
Paging SysOp...........  
 
Annoying, eh?  But now as annoying as when you forget that THIS BBS
doesn't have hotkeys, and you try to perform a "P" function before
the menu is displayed, and the menu stops displaying, because "P"
is for Pause when the menu is displaying, but when the prompt comes
up, "P" is for PERSONAL!
 
That' smy spew for the day ... Gods am I tired....
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: SAURON              
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/20/90 23:54:48
Message Number  4824

> Never apologize for anything...
> ... Sorry is that last sounds like I'm trying to tell you what to do.
 
heheheh....I just /had/ to point that one out!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: SAURON              
Subject: godtalk        
Date & Time: 05/20/90 23:57:05
Message Number  4825

> They [Certain California Redwood trees] still suck...
 
But they provide the oxygen that keeps you and me alive!
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Messages       
Date & Time: 05/21/90 06:54:41
Message Number  4827

>I should sleep better tonight.
     
    SLEEP?!? What's that?!? I think I've heard that word before, but
I'm not sure where...
     
            The unicorn who has not had more than four consecutive
            hours of that stuff in exactly 10 days...
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:11:58
Message Number  4828

Can the SAJW be set to other religious organizations? Just curious...
            Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Jim Henson     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:12:56
Message Number  4829

            -----------------------------------
            !       We're all part of the     !
            !      Sesame Street generation   !
            -----------------------------------
                        !         !
                        !         !
                        !         !
                        !         !
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:18:49
Message Number  4830

The Pagan Detecto-Rama went off the scale when the Jehovah's witness
went by your house. Personally, I think they were afraid to go near...
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real ice cream 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:23:21
Message Number  4832

Stop doing that! 
The real road to Slack (tm) was conceived NOT by the Subgenii, but
by John Muir in "The Velvet Monkey-Wrench" -- a thoroughly wonderful
book about how to take over the U.S., Canada, and Mexico -- and what
to do with them once you've got them. It includes discussions about
Slack (tm), a One World Credit Card, Maximal Unemployment, and
underground comic books. The problem: it was trying to be serious.
        
               A VMW Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:29:31
Message Number  4833

Dear Turtle,
   In a sense, you're absolutely right: Christianity doesn't force any
moral code on its believers. But, it's easy to overlay just about any
moral code onto it.
   "If you love Me, follow My commandments" is a really wonderful 
general clause with which one can do almost anything. If it's Eco-
Christianity one wants, add Genesis 2:26-28 (about man's dominion over
the earth) and take off from there, adding verses about being a
"good steward" ("It is required that those who have been given a trust
must prove faithful." -- I Co 4:2), and such... Voila! Instant Eco-
cChristianity (tm) (Just add water.)
      
    Then again, almost any other moral system can be gotten from other
passages of Scripture... (especially if one uses verses from Eccles-
iastes.)
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:37:31
Message Number  4834

The Plain Truth and the Watchtower are both churches of Satan? I'd
love to see that tract...
     
   Then again, I've seen a book at Bob Jones University about how to
witness Christianity to Southern Baptists. Next time I drive through
South Carolina... (Hmmm... anyone want to drive to Greenville, S.C.
sometime in the near future?)
                      Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 07:42:48
Message Number  4835

Dear Jonboy,
   As to some of your claims and comments:
     1. I am willing to "pursue philosphical or truth-seeking dis-
        cussions." As I've said, I have doubts about my religion which
        I'd like to clear up. BUT -- I'm sick of meeting people who
        ask me to have an open mind, and keep theirs closed if I point
        out valid objections.
     2. Although only one piece of text asserts Socrates' existence,
        it's, umm... a rather lengthy piece of text. (How long does 
        Plato rave about his master?) Then again, you would have to
        say exactly the same things about characters of the Bible...
     3. The "original" Illiad never existed: Homer was most likely
        illiterate. 
     
  Breaking off for a second, most Christians claim that the Bible (OT an
NT) is the Spoken Word of God, and that every single word comes directly
from God. Though the Illiad and the works of Plato have a longer time
between the original copies and what we have, variations aren't that
important.
     
      4. I don't believe we actually have copies of the OT from that
         early. I recall that the Dead Sea Scrolls were a thousand years
         older than any of the previously known OT manuscripts -- and
         they date from about 100 B.C.
      5. The prophecies are a doubtful way of "proving" the OT. If
         you don't believe me, read some of the early Martin Gardner.
         ("The prophecies that succeed are remembered. The ones that
         fail, aren't." Also, people have an incredible ability to
         "read into" prophecy.)
      6. Is Shakespeare's authorage really in doubt? Only by a very
         few crackpots. There's enough documentation about Shakespeare's
         life to know he wrote the plays.
     
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SAURON              
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 08:00:50
Message Number  4836

Dejah Thoris? Two books spring to mind:
    The luscious woman who was Capt. E. Smith's consort in the
        Barsoom series.
    The luscious woman who was Capt. Z. E. Smith's consort in the
        Mark of the Beast by Heinlein.
      
   Which one do you mean?
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 08:05:13
Message Number  4837

Mr. Donthen-
    Thhhhhhhpt on you. "Rescue on Rigelis" (pre-released name "Rescue
on Fractilis") was created by a subsidiary of LucasFilm. They made
exactly two games: "Rescue" and some excellent 3-d soccer game which
I can't remember the name of. They were released FIRST for the Atari
home computers... (In fact, when they came out, there was a cash
prize for the first to send a copy of the game to the company: they
were that certain the program was unpirateable. Unfortunately, there
were some pre-publication copies that had escaped LucasGames, and it
died real quickly...)
   Unfortunately, due to the overwhelming number of Atari pirates,
Rescue and BallBlazer (that's the name!) made a tiny profit -- or no
profit at all. The rights to the games were sold to Epyx.
     
   Hmph! Next thing I know, you'll be telling me that the CrystalWare
games were originally Epyx...
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 08:14:53
Message Number  4838

Before anyone says anything, Yes: I know Homer was blind. I really
MEANT to put that in... (Maybe he wrote the original Illiad in 
Braille?)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:00:11
Message Number  4840

   Ming's daughter.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Jim Henson     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:06:09
Message Number  4841

     I still watch old reruns of it and Mr. Rogers when waiting for 
Star Trek TNG to come on.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:08:04
Message Number  4842

    She walked up, and even knocked! Though I eventually slammed the 
door...
 
        What do you mean by 'Pagan' anyway? I'm a pagan,but probablr
 not the kind you mean.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:15:27
Message Number  4843

    Maybe he dictated it! Before you say why didn't someone sighted 
record it, maybe they couldn't write as well!
 
    He was blind but wandered alone between villages to tell the stories
 so maybe he was psychic and saw it clearer than the rest in his mind's
eye.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: GEMINI'S            
Subject: -              
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:19:51
Message Number  4844

    Happy birthday Gemini's!!!
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ALL                 
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/21/90 10:24:23
Message Number  4845

    You won't see aSt movie til after a TNG movie. They don't want to
release it while the show's on the TV, so They're waiting til around 
1994.
 
 I GOT IT OUT BEFORE DEREK MINER DID!!! UNBELIIVABLE!!!
 
         A frizzled Spellwind dude.
    PS ( The Simpsons are my role models too. ) 
   PS2 ( I love headline news! )
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/21/90 13:35:20
Message Number  4847

PS3 -- Picard is a dweeb...
PS4 -- The PS2 is not HeadLine news!  It is OLD news....
PS5 -- ST:TNG /may/ be better if Picard & Wesley & Riker were shot....
PS6 -- Get rid of those damn DustBusterish Phasers!!!!
PS7 -- For gawds sake, GEY WARP ENGINES THAT ARE RELIABLE ALREADY...
PS8 -- (Get a cloaking device, too...)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hey, dude!     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 14:45:53
Message Number  4848

I hate it when I try to call /you/ for 5 hours and the damn line is busy
QED!
     -The Lady
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:15:46
Message Number  4849

It would sort of curl up, and flip out the other side.. Read Orion by
Ben Bova.. he covers the trash can universe stuff.  From what I've heard
from anyone who tried AmigaDos before 1.2, you coudn't get close enough
to it to sneeze before it crashed.. but apparently 1.2 & 1.3 are a lot
more stable. I've got to play around with Nick's sometime... I don't 
really know what it's like right now.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: SAURON              
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:25:26
Message Number  4851

Well, in a philisophical matter, I'll argue the side of the agnostic,
but I sort of have an 'anti-faith' in that I believe that there is /not/
a god like that which is described in the Christain bible.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: SAURON              
Subject: ::sigh::       
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:27:52
Message Number  4852

Yep.. it's nicer than anything else out there, for MS-DOS anyway...
Telix 4.0 will probably be out in about a month.. it will have a TSR 
option. 'C' as a script language is pretty impressive.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ::sigh::       
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:57:36
Message Number  4853

I don't know...could ask you the same thing...I guess because you want 
to graduate, unlike SOME (hehehehe) I know!  
      -the Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:58:50
Message Number  4854

Hehehe...:)  This is true, this is true....
     -The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 15:59:45
Message Number  4855

I like NC...and NDD....they come in handdy and save much time with 
all the screwing around w/ the dos-line...DOn't listen to Turtle...he's
Anti-IBM.  He'll justify it for you, too...though I don't recommend it!
:>
     The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 16:02:04
Message Number  4856

{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}>:>  (rem monster strikes again!)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 16:34:16
Message Number  4857

>They're preaching now that the united europe will be the last empire
>of satan.
 
Really? I thought that was Canada! You never can tell what they're
doing up there...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 16:35:51
Message Number  4858

>The only religion(s) I disbelieve are all Judeo/Christian myths.
 
Does that include Islam? At least the Koran nominally recognizes the
right of Judiasm and Christianity to exist...
 
If you only disbelieve Christianity and Judiasm, does that mean that
you simultaneously believe all the others? I'd be interested in seeing
how you believe both Hinduism and Shinto simultaneously...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAURON              
Subject: hack/cough     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 16:46:57
Message Number  4859

The term "hacker" is not a label, it's an honorific. I am a hacker; I
reached that lofty and exaulted position by dint of a great deal of
hard work and effort; I'm damn proud of it. So there!
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 16:56:55
Message Number  4860

   I believe all the god/desses exist whether the same god/dess or dif-
ferent, yes.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Nusubject (tm) 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:11:31
Message Number  4862

>..."P" is for Pause when the menu is displaying, but when the
>prompt comes up, "P" is for PERSONAL!
 
Everybody knows "P" is for Predicate, you dip! As in, a LISP 
function whichh returns a boolean usually ends in "P" (say,
GLOBALP).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real Pointless 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:16:47
Message Number  4863

Ahem, yes, well, Mr. Unicorn, I wasn't trying to imply that 
ecological responsibility couldn't be grafted onto Christianity,
I was simply making the point that it isn't part of what most people
call "Judeo-Christian values." :P
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:20:13
Message Number  4864

The tract is the one called "That Old Devil." It's really amazing:
it contains a picture of the Devil as a Japanese dude, claims
that the Pope is the Antichrist, has the hysterical quote "Satan's
Pied Pipers in these final days are the heavy metal bands turning
our children into witches and warlocks" (?!), and calls
Shinto, the New Age movement, Mormonism and the Jehovah's
Witnesses "tools of the devil." It's my favorite Chick tract...
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real ice cream 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:26:59
Message Number  4865

That was by John Muir *publishing*, if I recall.  The John Muir that it
was named after (I have no doubt it's the same Muir, as one of his later
followers was a man named Edward Abbey, who wrote a book called "The
Monkeywrench Gang" that made "monkeywrench" into a transitive verb, as
in the title of the book you refer to) died in the early 1900's, long
before either credit cards or underground comics were around.  He did
contribute greatly to the formation of the Sierra Club and the U.S.
Forest Service.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:30:56
Message Number  4866

Damn. I knew I had a serial, but I was looking in the wrong media.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:31:24
Message Number  4867

Well, you're wrong.  "Rescue at Rigel" is NOT the same as "Rescue on
Fractalus."  "Rigel" was the first game in the "Starquest" series, a
companion to Epyx's "Dunjonquest" game series.  It used a similar
display and command system to the Dunjonquest games (unlike the other
game in "Starquest," which was a lot closer to "Crush, Crumble and
Chomp"--I think it was called "Star Warrior").  "Rescue at Rigel"
predates "Fractalus" by at least four years and is a straight RPG,
plot and all, unlike Lucasfilm's insipid arcade game.  I used to OWN
both "Rigel" and "Star Warrior," in legimate copies, no less--Automated
Simulations was one of the few companies that produced stuff I was
willing to pay money for.  Their $25 "Temple of Apshai" and sequel,
"Hellfire Warrior", still stand as the two best real-time graphic
fantasy games written, as far as I'm concerned.
   At any rate, make sure you have your facts straight before trying to
rag me about computer game history.  Just because both games start with
the word "Rescue" does not make them remotely similar.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:41:55
Message Number  4868

> From what I've hear from anyone who tried AmigaDos before 1.2, you
> couldn't get close enough to it to sneeze before it crashed..
 
I've used AmigaDos 1.0.  That's kind of an exaggeration.  It'll let you
/start/ anything you want with no problem.  Keeping applications going
once they're launched was another matter....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:50:20
Message Number  4869

Acck!  Not, Chick Publications.  From the people who brought you "That
Old Devil" comes other such fun filled and informative pamphlets like:
"You are Evil and Will Die."
 
I was looking at "That Old Devil" today.  What a hoot.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: New crusade    
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:53:26
Message Number  4870

>Seems I had a large audience watching me throw my skirts over my head.
 
Just /why/ were you throwing your skirt over your head?
 
And do you do parties?  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:54:46
Message Number  4871

I'm not sure if they have angelcreme filled donuts.  I do know that
they force munchkins to drink stale, hot coffee, and excrete those
little munchkins (a.k.a. donut holes).  It's really a sick place.
 
   ....don't get me started on beanocide.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 18:56:21
Message Number  4872

Dude, there is a recycling place on 301!  It's about one mile south
of Turtle's on the east side of the road.  Or look for one in the 
phone book.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:04:42
Message Number  4873

The SAJW (actaully the SAJWM) can be set to other organizations, but
a common target must be present.  If you wanted to, say, aim for some
Jewish folk, you'd have the purchase the Yamuka ID system.  For Moonies,
you just buy the "Small Flower/Bald Head" ID.
 
Pear Dimples for Hairy Fishnuts.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:10:52
Message Number  4874

How're you going to do it?  PS2 it.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: religion       
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:19:46
Message Number  4875

I am a reincarnationist.  Furthermore I feel that 'converting' on one's
deathbed is useless.  Such a change does not alter how one has spent 
one's life.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: bungee         
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:23:05
Message Number  4876

It has been done.  It tends to weigh one hell of a lot.  6 feet is
probably the longest practical.  25 feet, however, makes a great sling-
shot.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Real ice cream 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:26:52
Message Number  4877

pthp
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: SAURON              
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:32:04
Message Number  4878

Deja Thoris - Princess of Mars - E. R. B.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Bungee!        
Date & Time: 05/21/90 19:33:53
Message Number  4879

A cannonball perhaps?
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 21:57:54
Message Number  4880

What about religions which are fundamentally incompatible, say,
Shintoism and Buddhism?  Shinto teaches animism, which is something that
True Buddhism (i.e., the earliest incarnation--"True Buddhism" is how
scholars classify it) explicitly dismisses.  In fact, True Buddhism is
not a theistic belief system at all.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: Recap          
Date & Time: 05/21/90 22:04:44
Message Number  4881

The Wyvern's Den opened for business about an hour ago, after some
rather nasty business last night involving two murders.  One of them
was a mad sorcerer married to Angel, a possibly immortal bard who may
or may not possess a Cockney accent; the other one was a cat morph who
looked like a skunk [for the uninformed, "morph" and "furry" are both
terms, informal and even less formal, for anthropomorphic, fully
sapient animals].  Captain Mulligan, the Ranean Guard officer assigned
to investigate the murders, took away the ambassador for Crickersworld,
the man who killed Angel's ex-husband; he came back this morning to
get cold-cocked by Lt. "Acapulco" Gold, a dimensional traveller from
what appears to be a future Earth.  Lt. Gold came to Ranea by mistake
and as yet isn't convinced that everything in the Wyvern's Den isn't
an illusion.  Meanwhile, some of the regulars--including Chip P.
Unicorn, ambassador from some planet of horned horses, and Turtle, a
hyperactive morph turtle with a somewhat limited attention span, have
also shown up.  Angel herself left hurriedly a few minutes ago, much to
the dismay of Wezip, a fox morph who developed quite an affection for
her throughout the events of last night.
    Meanwhile, a recap of the last few messages, retyped in excruciating
slowness by yours truly:
----
    Donthen, under extreme pressure, goes slightly beserk when Gold
announces he's knocked out Mulligan.  He charges the Sgt. (whoops, not
Lt.--so sue me) with a broom, but is stopped by Wezip, who knocks all
his wind out.  Turtle endears himself to the barkeep by saying something
stupid; Donthen wants to make him into an ashtray.
    Gold apologizes for any trouble he may have caused and decides that
he might want to do a little "research."  Meanwhile, a fifteen-year-old
girl wanders through the door, asks for help, and faints.  Chip points
out that firearms are illegal on Ranea and Gold might want to hide his.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: Recap 2        
Date & Time: 05/21/90 22:25:15
Message Number  4882

    Turtle, who had been listening to Chip tell everyone how he had been
recalled by his embassy, is distracted by Donthen's broom-waving and
Gold's gun.  He responds to the gun by telling a rambling story about
a Metallica concert and a man yelling something about his grandmother
crawling up his leg with a knife in her teeth; then he goes over to the
girl and picks her up.  She recovers, shocked by the fact she's being
carried by a reptile, but introduces herself as Deva.  Acapulco puts his
.45 in his holster and stashes it in a portable hole Xonzoff produces,
much to Gold's bewilderment; Gold says he's from Michigan and asks
for a Bud light.  Chip thinks he's talking about flowers.
   Meanwhile, Turtle calms down Deva, who is about 19 years old and from
somewhere offworld, and is trying to remember something about someone
(or something) named "Greywing."  She remembers, finally, that Greywing
is the name of a spaceship she was on; they had tried a dimensional
travel system, and she ended up... here.  She stops talking, presses her
fingers to her head, and starts glowing pink.  Chip, wandering back to
Acapulco, deduces that the sergeant doesn't believe in magic.  The
sergeant, for his part, decides that Chip is a delusion, along with all
the other talking animals.
   Turtle starts bouncing up and down at Gold's references to "the Team"
and "classified information" and correctly guesses (apparently) how Gold
got here, to which Gold makes no reply.
   Xonzoff brings coffee to Gold, telling him that magic and technology
are not exclusive; the man seems skeptical.  Then he goes over to
Mulligan, who was brought inside the pub but is still unconscious.
   At this point, Mulligan sits up and blinks, focusses on Turtle, then
on Gold, then on Donthen, who is now sitting quietly on a barstool,
calm except for an occasional twitch in his left eyebrow.  He asks 
Donthen for a reasonable explanation of what's going on, which the
barkeep is unable to supply.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ALL                 
Subject: Recap 3        
Date & Time: 05/21/90 22:34:24
Message Number  4883

   Mulligan examines Gold's uniform, deduces it's from offworld, and
further assumes that Gold arrived by non-standard means (i.e., not
through official channels).  This, he decides, places Gold as the one
most likely to have knocked him out, because he's the least likely to
recognize the Guard as a theoretically beneficial police force and most
likely to assume uniform = possible threat.  He introduces himself to
Gold.  Gold returns the favor, trying to look as non-threatening as
possible.
   Someone named Lord Valar comes in the story, starts making goo-goo
eyes at Deva, and they wander off together never to be seen again for
practical purposes, as Valar doesn't call here and Deva moved to Nevada.
   Mulligan explains the concept of dimensional displacement to Gold;
Gold admits it's kind of logical but still seems skeptical.
   Angel comes through the door without speaking, instead guiding a
group of three or four men who proceed to set up a piano, much to
Donthen's consternation.  Turtle makes the observation that the barkeep
is turning a funny shade of red again.  Angel puts a paper roll into the
piano, evidently a player model, and "Feelings" starts playing.  She
gets a pained expression and rips it out.  As everyone seems to be
preoccupied, she gets herself a drink.  Chip gets some sort of message
about a shape-changing something that eats people, and unicorns too.
   Donthen crosses over to Angel and says, "I can't help but notice
you've brought a large, ugly musical instrument into my tavern."  She
whirls on him and spews, "This is the finest I could find in this
miserable little town.  I wouldn't settle for some tinny, second-rate
pian o.  NO!  Nothing but the best would do for my heroes.  You
miserable little twerp!  Hah!  Men!  And Turtles, too!"  Donthen turns
a dramatic shade of purple, looks like he's about to say something, and
then walks behind the bar and out of sight with a peculiarly baffled
expression.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/21/90 23:30:46
Message Number  4884

PS3 -- Picard is not a dweeb. Picard is smart enough to realize that
       you don't send your commanding crew as an away team to an un-
       explored planet...
PS5 -- ST:TNG could do with losing Wesley, but not Picard. (Riker I
       can live without but I'm not that annoyed by him.)
PS6 -- The DustBuster Phasers (tm) are cuter and more powerful than the
       older Type I's and Type II's of the original show...
PS7 -- Warp engine technology admittedly needs help.
PS8 -- A cloaking device? On a scientific research vessel? Why?
 
I'm not that impressed by ST:TNG, but Lordy, even /I/ am willing to
admit that on the whole it's usually better than, say, most of the third
season originals... What I'd like to see is some of the original
scriptwriters working on ST:TNG. (Harlan Ellison is one of the first
to spring to mind...) Put good scriptwriters together with the
special effects budget available to ST:TNG and /then/ you'd have
something.
                 --A Star Trek Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Hey, dude!     
Date & Time: 05/21/90 23:39:16
Message Number  4885

I hate when that happens, too. :(
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/21/90 23:51:06
Message Number  4887

I ought to give a copy of XDIR to both you and Corwyn. XDIR impresses
me...shows you ALL the file's attribute bits, lets you change 'em,
displays hidden, R/O, and system files...and even has a "help"
option. Interestingly enough, I've only seen XDIR on one other operating
system (Z-System, in fact.)    :>
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: <!>            
Date & Time: 05/21/90 23:56:40
Message Number  4888

I've /read/ "You Are Evil And Will Die." Another of my favorite Chick
tracts is "This Was Your Life," which has a picture of the Grim Reaper
approaching a construction worker on the top of a skyscraper and
saying "Hi there!" Good stuff.
              --An easily amused Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: What I'm doing.
Date & Time: 05/22/90 00:02:39
Message Number  4889

Of course, if Angel were to GO to that donut shop, and the manager were
to ask why she was there at such an ungodly hour, and Angel were to
TELL her, I wonder if she'd be believed. I swear it's not worth telling
the truth when the person you're talking to doesn't believe you...
"...carefully at the crullers."
              --An honest Turtle
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/22/90 00:31:26
Message Number  4890

  Thanks!
 
             Spellwind's been a little dull in the brain .
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: RAVEN               
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 01:07:21
Message Number  4891

    Certain religeons are more painfull to deal with than others,  but
certain realigions such as born again are just plain a pain in the ass.
I believe in freedom of religion, as long as it does not harm someone
else... Walden, Witman, ect. all.  One of the least harmfull are the
Wikka (sp.)  And I don't mean to pick on any one group, but I believe
born again christians, and christian scientists are the most harmfull.
Many christian scientist's don't believe in MDs.  There have been 
several cases where their children have died of illness because they
would not take their childdren to the Doctor.  Sacrificial lambs I
guess.  Now the problem with Born again christians is that the church
tries to influence our goverment and us.  There should be a seperation
of church and state.  I know that that is not completely possible, but
every one should do their best.  I have dated many women (and girls) of
different religeons, including Born Again, Jahova Witnesses and a
(supposed) witch, a catholic, and a protestant.  My stepfather is a
Reincarnationist and my mother is an Episcipal.  Myself, I am Agnostic.
I believe that when it's time, I will find my own personal god.  And
I will not force him or her on anyone.  Discussion is fine.  In fact
without anyone elses view, we all would live in a very ignorant world.
I'm glad you believe in reincarnation.  In fact, I think that every
one should be what, and who they want.  As long as they harm no one 
and persecute no one else!
     If you want to find God, perhaps you should look at nature.  It
might be refreshing, unless there is a smog alert.
 
                         Tree
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 01:43:48
Message Number  4892

Not sure about your assertion that we have 'originals' of any of the
books of the Bible, Old or New Testament.  I've got several 
reference books around, I'll check on that ... but pretty sure for
the Old Testament all the books are several centuries removed from
the originals.  New Testament there are no 'originals' surviving.
I'm curious, which translation(s) do you use for your own studies?
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/22/90 02:02:20
Message Number  4893

> Just /why/ were you throwing your skirt over your head?
 
For the reason I do most bizarre things, it was in the script (and made
a neat photo op).  Alas, and alack, however, I shall not be performing
such feats on the stage ... the show has nine wives and only can 
afford skirts for four.  I lost out  (sorry, guys, we will otherwise
be propely attired from the waist down ... family show).
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: they're back!!!
Date & Time: 05/22/90 02:14:37
Message Number  4894

Yeah!  Hurrah!  Whoppee!  Gadzooks!  General rejoicing throughout
the land!  Bottoms up!  Ranea is back!  I've missed it so.  Gets my
vote for best Enteratainment/Media attraction in the area.  Does this
mean I have to post again?  (Don't even consider trying to stop me!)
 
Is there more re-cap coming?  Seem to recall having a discussion with
Gold, but can't remember what it was about...  Donthen, have you
considered a career in synopsizing?  You do a lovely job.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Xnty...        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:10:28
Message Number  4895

>Christianity is definitely political.
      
    There's a huge difference between Christianity -- the personal
belief in Christ as "Savior from Sin" -- and the Christian Church.
Granted: the Church has been extremely political throughout history.
But -- the personal belief has never had to do with politics... in
fact, the Bible indicates that one should be content no matter which
political system you live in...
               Chip P. Unicorn
     
   (Just getting my $0.02 in...)
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:13:17
Message Number  4896

>What do you mean by 'Pagan' anyway?
     
   The dictionary definition of "Pagan" means anyone who is outside
the Christian religion. (Possibly not including Jews -- though this is
questionable. If it does include Jews, then Jesus was a Pagan (!)).
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hack/cough     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:21:09
Message Number  4898

Milord Hacker Turtle,
   Is this honorific self-imposed, or doth there exist a "Royal Society
of Hackerdom" that doth pass out these titles?
              Your humble servant,
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:23:55
Message Number  4899

Aha! Now we know the truth! God is WASP, and Satan is Japanese. Makes
perfect sense. Does it say that the United States is God's new Israel,
that the Russians have had plans since 1983 to take over the U.S.
between now and 1993, or that AIDS is God's punishment on the wicked?
Or better yet, does it say that heaven is located in a "great empty
space in the north in the nebula of Orion"? (Yes -- I'm completely
serious!) All these, and more, from "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be
In 1988."
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Real ice cream 
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:31:28
Message Number  4900

Dear Donthen--
   Sorry -- You're right. That was the publishing company -- and I'm
not sure exactly who was the author, right now...
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:32:55
Message Number  4901

Dear Donthen,
   I apologize. What WAS the final name for "Rescue at Fractalus,"
anyway? (Damn it -- why do you have to be right?)
            
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:35:08
Message Number  4902

Hmmm... Just thinking about my old Christian high school. They asked
students to pass those tracts out... (I even might still be able to
find one or two in Spanish -- which I learned some memory verses from.)
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 03:46:18
Message Number  4904

Dear Tree Beard,
   Hello, howdy, and welcome to aLTER rEALITY -- your slice of sanity
in a world gone insane.
   How generous of you to allow us to believe as we will. Actually,
the born again Christians aren't the only group that's trying to
influence the government: I doubt there are any recognized religions
that AREN'T trying to influence the government. Don't downgrade
born again Christians by that...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: THRUD               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: brain usage    
Date & Time: 05/22/90 06:31:18
Message Number  4905

It's about time star fleet started promoting true scientific, cerebral 
types like Jean-Luc instead of muscle heads like Kirk. Picard's gray 
matter is so busy he doesn't even have time to grow hair. Some of us
choose to fully utilize our neural synpses rather than waste time with
follicle development. Ever notice what nice curls t.j.hooker had?
  I came in late - do I grok that ther'll be a NG movie before another
ST movie ? I could do without wes, but love the cleavage queen.

===========

From: THRUD               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: thrudness      
Date & Time: 05/22/90 06:40:04
Message Number  4906

No, I'm relatively new - 'bout a month. I used Thrud as my handle on the
CB 15 years ago , then again for Showdoown at the Sawmill (before it 
flamed out). VafTHRUDner is a nordic frost giant.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ANGEL               
Subject: they're back!!!
Date & Time: 05/22/90 08:36:16
Message Number  4907

Actually, that's it as far as recap, for the time being.  I'll probably
enter an actual real live post once I get my brain in gear.  If you did
have a conversation with Gold, I didn't find it (I was working from some
printouts Raven had of the most recent messages--he was missing a few,
but I think they were just 1 or 2 at the end, mostly dealing with
Donthen turning purple when you spewed at him and wandering off looking
perplexed).
   "A career in synopsizing"?....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/22/90 08:39:16
Message Number  4908

Actually, I don't remember.  I seem to recall playing a version of it
that /was/ called "Rescue on Fractalus" but I don't know if that was a
pre-release copy or not.  "Koronis Rift" comes to mind, but I'm not sure
if that was the renamed "Fractalus" or its virtually unknown sequel.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 11:08:02
Message Number  4909

    It seems impossible for someone to relate to and worship a god that 
soes his work from 'the universe'. He's supposed to be everywhere is a
guilt trip for anyone who's done something wrong. Like Cuba's big broth-
er, 'big father is watching'. yet, he's waiting in heaven... you go fig-
ure.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ANGEL               
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 11:12:14
Message Number  4910

    Now the Mormons are trying to get people to read ' Their book '.
 These are the people who used to kill off relatives to 'save them'?
These Christians don't even follow the 10 fundemental rules of their
religion!
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Xnty...        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 11:15:58
Message Number  4911

   What I meant was- These countries that have not been free for a Long
time (Romania---) have suddenly been invaded be christians converters
and churchbuilders/ when that job is done, they brag on TV about their
next conquests... And their covert attacks- poor countries like Ethiopia
and the Christian Children's Fund- feeding while preaching...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/22/90 11:20:12
Message Number  4912

  I'm a witch, basically.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 11:21:25
Message Number  4913

  Does everyone know Tofu is bean curd?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Bungee!        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 13:19:53
Message Number  4914

Yes, a cannonball /may/ weigh down the Turtle enough...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/22/90 13:21:13
Message Number  4915

> A cloaking device? On a scientific research vessel? Why?
 
Maybe because they get attacked every other episode!  The romulans and
Klingons are smart enough to realize that, and they cloak /all/ of THEIR
ships...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Ynty...        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 14:27:21
Message Number  4916

>...in fact, the Bible indicates that one should be content no matter
>which political system you live in...
 
"Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's," hmm? The Jehovah's Witnesses in
particular take that particular commandment to believe that it is
actually wrong for any "true Christian" ("true" being defines as 
"believing the way we do," I imagine) to participate in any political
activity at all that's more involved than voting. True Christians of
the born-again variety, on the other hand, generally seem to believe
that that particular commandment has about as much relevance as a dead
haddock if the Christian in question doesn't /like/ the political system
in question. Ahh, the political complexes of a slave religion...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real Pagans    
Date & Time: 05/22/90 14:33:41
Message Number  4917

>The dictionary definition of "Pagan" means anyone who is outside the
>Christian religion.
 
What the hell dictionary are /you/ using, Chip? The Random House
Dictionary in my lap right now defines "Pagan" as "One of a people
or community professing a polytheistic religion; a person who
is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim." Interestingly, it also defines
"Pagan" as "an irreligious or hedonistic person," meaning (I guess)
that it's possible to be an atheistic Pagan, something I find
somewhat peculiar.
               --A literate Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: hack/cough     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 14:37:37
Message Number  4918

Generally, one becomes a "hacker" when someone who is already a hacker
says "Dude! You're a pretty good hacker!" In any event, anyone who
has ever (1) written an operating system; (2) hand-assembled a piece
of code because it's faster than using an assembler; (3) disassembled
someone else's operating system to see how it works; (4) written
an assembler because he thought the ones on the market weren't
good enough for his own use; (6) ported uucp or yacc or something
equally ridiculous over to the Timex-Sinclair or some other equally
ridiculous platform; (7) ported Unix over to some ridiculous
platform; (8) written a routine to give him access to operating system
core in FORTRAN-66; or any similar feat along those lines, is probably
a hacker regardless of whether he's had the title conferred to him or
not. In any event, the driving force behind the hacker mentality is that
nothing should stand between him and full use of the computer he's on--
which is why hackers /never/ delete other people's files, damage the
operating system, lock other people out of the computer, or crash
computer systems; after all, if you've just formatted all the hard
platters on this nice VAX 8800, you can't use it any more, can you?
                  --A hacker Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: brain usage    
Date & Time: 05/22/90 14:49:44
Message Number  4919

What? You mean Kirk wasn't the brightest Starfleet captain in the
known universe? (Gasp!) Actually, you have a point there...Kirk may
have been able to kick a Gorn's ass singlehandedly, but when it
came to using the ol' grey matter...you have to wonder if Spock
did the mind-meld thing with him so often because it was so easy.
"Gosh, there's a hostile planet down there. Lessee...I think we
should beam down the commander, the first officer, the cheif
medical officer, and the chief engineer to have a look. If we run
into problems I'm sure the chief navigator and the chief helmsman will
come down to bail us out..." On the other hand, Picard has a few
handicaps himself, most notably Riker. Really, would you want this
guy dating your sister? He has the originality of a grapefruit
coupled with the razor-sharp wit of a box of Froot-Loops and the
charm of a Klingon with hemorrhoids. Whorf impresses me, though:
Picard doesn't have to be able to kick Kirk's ass, he could send
Whorf to do it.
                --A Star Trek Turtle
I'm also a big fan of Troi's...and I want to congratulate the man
who designed her uniform...(!!)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Znty...        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 14:58:09
Message Number  4920

>And their covert attacks- poor countries like Ethiopia...
 
I wouldn't call that a terribly covert activity, although I'm not
sure I'd call it an attack either. On the other hand, the Pope did have
the monumental gall to travel to Ethopia in 1988 and tell the people,
starving because in most places their country can't produce enough
food to feed everyone, that birth control is a sin. (Incidentally,
that one won the Non-Sequitur of the Year Award for 1988. (I have to
wonder why so many Non-Sequitur of the Year Awards go to religious
statements...I've only been keeping them since 1985, and three of them
so far have gone to statements of religious faith...))
   On the other hand, to be perfectly fair I have to admit that the
actions of people who claim to be Christians does not necessarily
have any bearing on the validity of the Christian faith. People who
profess to be one thing while actually being something else have been
around for a long time.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/22/90 15:03:20
Message Number  4921

>...they [Romulans & Klingons] cloak /all/ of THEIR ships...
 
Like it really does them a whole lot of good...when was the last time
you actually saw the Enterprise having very much difficulty tracking
a cloaked ship?? You also don't know that they cloak /all/ their craft,
because the only Romulan and Klingon ships we ever see are battle-
ships. I can't recall any episodes in which the Enterprise encounters
a Romulan research vessel...
             --A nit-picky Turtle
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 16:38:40
Message Number  4922

> Does everyone know Tofu is bean curd?
 
Yes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: <!>            
Date & Time: 05/22/90 17:07:52
Message Number  4923

>I've /read/ "You Are Evil And Will Die."
Whooa, hey...hold on..lemme get my brain back in place.  Grubble grubble
You've got to be yanking my tail about the "You Are Evil And Will Die"
Tract.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/22/90 17:10:09
Message Number  4924

>  Thanks!
 
No problem, always happy to help out.
 
>          Spellwind's been a little dull in the brain .
 
Noooooooooo!  You're kiddin' me, right?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/22/90 17:13:02
Message Number  4925

When does this show open, what's it about, and will there be any farm
animals?
---------------------
What I'm /really/ looking forward to is Arnold Schartzencan'tspellhis
-namerighters new movie, "Total Recall."  Anyone care to make a journey
to the thearte to view it June 1st.  Midnight would be the best since
you get to see the movie, and you get the added attraction of all the
weird people there.  I can't tolerate weird people.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: SAJW & You     
Date & Time: 05/22/90 17:17:30
Message Number  4926

I /always/ lose out when it comes to free propaganda.  I don't know
what it is, but I can never find those things.  People could
be standing on every street in the world except one, and that one
street would be the one I happened to be on at the time.
Grrrr.....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Bungee!        
Date & Time: 05/22/90 17:21:10
Message Number  4927

A cannonball will weigh down the turtle, but why waste a perfectly fine
cannonball when an IBM is handy?!
 
  ...bet that's the last time Chip brings his IBM to a con.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 18:30:14
Message Number  4928

Wow.. maybe you had AmigaDos 1.0b - they progressed.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 18:42:09
Message Number  4929

So does JDir - JiffyDir - originally written in Pascal - currently 
being ported to 'C'  Proud Author (Well proud when I'm not looking at
my kludgey code) - ME
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Volvos         
Date & Time: 05/22/90 19:51:36
Message Number  4930

Dearest Lady,
   But will you look good driving it? (the most important feature)
                           The Yngling
"She was a fast machine, she kept her motor clean, she was the best
 damn woman that I'd ever seen..."
                        -AC/DC
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/22/90 20:14:31
Message Number  4931

  She's a greek. Greek women are usually very beautiful women.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/22/90 20:18:20
Message Number  4932

  Watch for Aliens III
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/23/90 00:19:05
Message Number  4933

> the Mormons ... these are the people who used to kill of relatives 
> to 'save them'?
 
Hmmmm.  I'm not too well-versed in the Mormon faith, but I don't
think killing family members was ever a part of their established
doctrine.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Riker          
Date & Time: 05/23/90 00:25:04
Message Number  4934

At the top of my objections to Riker is the fact that he's just too
damn pretty (but not as gorgeous as he thinks he is).  That face
needs to be mauled or scarred.  And for heaven's sake keep any
mirrors or reflective surfaces off the bridge or you'll never get
any work out of him.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 00:28:54
Message Number  4935

Gee, "Total Recall" opens June 1st!  Somehow that grand premiere
didn't make it onto my calendar.  Tell me, do these weird midnight
people do Arnold Schwartzenagger (?) look-alike contests?  And who'd
have the nerve to tell a look-alike that he lost?
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: originals      
Date & Time: 05/23/90 00:32:52
Message Number  4936

Okay, here's what I've been able to find since yesterday re: oldest
surviving biblical manuscripts...
 
Prior to the Qumran (Dead Sea Scrolls) discoveries, oldest Old 
Testament manuscripts was the Leningrad manuscript of the prophets,
dated A.D. 916.
Oldest surviving New Testaments are the Codex Sinaiticus and
Vaticanus (both approximately A.D. 340).
Oldest surviving fragment of New Testament is a portin of Gospel
of John coming from Egypt, usually dated before A.D. 150.
 
What has so far been identified from Qumran are manuscripts dating
from between 200 B.C. and A.D. 68.  Portions of all Old Testament
Books except for Esther have been found at Qumran.  One fragment of
the Book of Leviticus tentatively dating back to the 5th century
B.C. was also discovered there.  The Leviticus fragment may be the
oldest Biblical manuscript in existence.
  
Okay, that's what I was able to come up with.  Have you got some
more current information, or perhaps a few 'original' versions
of the gospels or the Pentatuech in your attic?  
     As far as Biblical scholars are concerned, there are at least
several centuries seperating our extant copies of Biblical texts
from the 'originals'.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Spelling       
Date & Time: 05/23/90 01:50:55
Message Number  4937

 It's Schwarznegger.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: brain usage    
Date & Time: 05/23/90 06:36:12
Message Number  4938

Don't get me wrong, Kirk had some good points. After all, he did save 
the earth, the federation,this dimension and the entire universe at 
least half a dozen times. On the other hand, he's been duplicatied,
replicated, possessed, lost in space, split in half, had his mind 
float around in a lava lamp and made to wear an ugly dress while
inhabiting a womans body. Toss in the times he had to wear belts\
wristbands/collars of control (SILENCE, THRALL!) and you'd have to
be a god (or at least a Danish frost giant) to not go off the deep
end.
    Triv :
  In the NG episode where Picard took shore leave, met the nice lady
and looked for an artifact from the future, name the institute to
which she was (alledgedly) going to donate the artifact, and where 
have we heard that name before ? LLAP
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 06:46:19
Message Number  4939

Death conspired will come into full effect
Charge given and journey to death
Elected, created , received by his own undone
Blood of the innocent before them in remorse.
   Translated : Don't flame the cleavage queen.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 08:28:37
Message Number  4940

Well, "Total Recall" is directed by Paul Voerhoven ("Robocop"), written
by Dan O'Bannon & Ronald Shussett ("Alien", "Dark Star") and based on
a novel by Piers Anthony which was, in turn, an expansion of a Philip
K. Dick story called "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale."
Schwartzenhefferhooferheifer has proven he can be a good actor when he
doesn't get a chance to be involved with the script (even more so when
he doesn't get to say anything, like "Terminator", which wasn't really
an Arnie S. movie despite his top billing); with people like that
behind him--especially Voerhoven, who seems about as likely to knuckle
under to a star as David Lynch would be--it has a lot of promise.  It
has a good chance, in fact, of going completely over the heads of the
normal action/adventure audience and disappearing pretty quickly for a
big budget, big name flick.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 05/23/90 08:42:38
Message Number  4941

Hmmm... when I was in a Radio Quack store, I saw a copy of Koronis
Rift -- looked exactly like "Fractalus" on the box, except that it
was put out by Epyx. Hmmm... Dunno.
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Xnty...        
Date & Time: 05/23/90 08:44:43
Message Number  4942

Dear Spellwind,
   Romania has been suddenly invaded by Christians? (Incredulous
glare...) Stop for a second -- for how many hundreds of years has
Christianity been existing in Romania? (At least fifteen hundred --
maybe seventeen or eighteen...) It came real close to having been
visited by Paul... (within one hundred miles, in fact...)
   My point: if anything, the Christians are helping bring back the
culture that was taken away by the Russians' invasion of about
fifty years ago...
      
                  Chip P. Unicorn
     
   Yes -- I know. It's probably a different kind of Christianity than
what they had fifty years ago... But from it, they can easily re-
construct -- and pick and choose.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Znty...        
Date & Time: 05/23/90 09:01:31
Message Number  4945

Okay.. I'll bite. What were the other four non-sequiter awards given
since 1985?
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 09:03:20
Message Number  4946

>...and you get the added attraction of all the weird people there. I
>can't tolerate weird people.
      
    ???
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 09:05:30
Message Number  4947

>Green women are usually very beautiful women.
       
   Yes, but Italians can cook!
           Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 10:35:08
Message Number  4948

Chip quoted:
 >Green women are usually very beautiful women.
 
He wrote:
 Yes, but Italians can cook!
 
 
 Chip what do Trollops have to do with italians? Have you seen any green
women that aren't Trollops?
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:14:57
Message Number  4949

How nice...So, how've you been? :)
       The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: --             
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:16:31
Message Number  4950

This is true....so, you didn't answer....are you back in school?  I'm 
doing well...glad to hear you are okay, too.
        -The Lady In Black
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:23:57
Message Number  4951

No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!  The ".s" was an accident...I 
forgot where I was...now, re-read the first post and figure out which
doesn't belong!  It's a test of your intellect...heheheheh....QED!
      -The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:26:58
Message Number  4952

:>  Like I can remember the messages from that far back!  Ghods!  I jave
that should read HAVE...trouble remembering my name!  So...at least you
passed the intellect test thing.  Keep in touch....
         ......The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:29:34
Message Number  4953

:>  (The Lady In Black)
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Xnty...        
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:33:27
Message Number  4954

BTW, when are we going to get together?  
      -The Lady  :>
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hey, dude!     
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:34:50
Message Number  4955

You forgot the QED!
QED!
THE LADY
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 11:35:31
Message Number  4956

BLah blah, blah....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 13:59:12
Message Number  4957

He said GREEK women, not GREEN women.  I assume Green women are no more
statistically likely to be pretty than the females of any other
radical political party.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: <?>            
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:12:45
Message Number  4958

No, I'm not. (Yanking your tail, that is.) The re really is a Chick
tract along the lines of "You Are Evil and Will Die..." although I
think it's actually called something like "You Have Sinned ANd Will
Die" or some such thing. The idea is certainly the same. I may actually
have a copy of it, but I really don't feel like digging through my
religious propaganda file searching for it.
                     --A pack-rat Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Bungee! two!   
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:21:56
Message Number  4959

>...why waste a perfectly fine cannonball when an IBM is handy?!
 
Two reasons:
   (1) The cannonball is more destructive.
   (2) It'd be a waste of a perfectly good terminal.
Of course, the IBM is prettier than a cannonball, but with a little
paint, some glitter, and a couple of bows we could fix that. Pretty
/and/ destructive...I like it!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Invalidation   
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:25:46
Message Number  4960

Whoops! I didn't intend to reply to this message, but I've done hit
"R" so I guess I'm stuck with it. Have you ever wondered what would
happen if the light output of the sun diminished to the equivalent
of one of those yellow Bug Lights that people put in their porch
light fixtures to attract bugs? (Everyone would squint, of course,
but I mean beyond that.) I imagine Bug Light sales would probably
decline because people might associate General Electric with the
fact that they can't wear their favorite mirrored sunglasses and
still see where they're going any more, unless GE were to react with
a massive publicity campaign (GE: We bring good things to life and we
didn't turn down the sun). I'm not sure what effect it would
have on the futures market, though.
                  --A squinting Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Riker          
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:31:15
Message Number  4961

>At the top of my objections to Riker is the fact that he's just too
>damn pretty...
 
What a...peculiar objection.
 
>That face needs to be mauled or scarred.
 
Say, by a rogue Sumo Klingon assassin posing as Troi? I must admit, I'm
starting to worry about your newly-acquired violent streak...perhaps you
ought to trade it in for a Volvo or something. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Not God...     
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:46:18
Message Number  4962

>No NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!
 
Yes YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!
 
>The ".s" was an accident...
 
I know. I was being aggravating. :P
 
>...Now go back, re-read the message, and figure out which one doesn't
>belong!
 
The second one from the left. It's the only one that's smirking because
it's just placed a pirhana in its sister's aquarium, filled with
beautiful and exotic fish from around the world (and all available to yo
direct from Fish-of-the-Month Club, the ONLY club that offers one free
fish with every fish you buy! No obligation, cancel any time; thirteen
fish for only one cent when you enroll!), and is gleefully awaiting the
accompanying hysterics.
                     --A Turtle-of-the-month club Main Selection Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Hey, dude!     
Date & Time: 05/23/90 15:51:44
Message Number  4963

>You forgot the QED!
 
No I didn't; I was just saving it for a more appropriate time. QED.
 
Oh, yeah, while we're on the subject: When are we going to work on that
-deleted- Pascal vortex of insanity masquerading as a program?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/23/90 16:24:30
Message Number  4964

TURTLE>  Romulan research vessel....
 
Romulans don't /do/ the Research thing -- But I remember an episode of
TNG that has a Romulan research vessel crossing into the neutral
zone, and Picard said "Well, they're a research vessel, so we can
threaten to fire on 'em." And the Romulan's cloaked themselves, and
when a war ship came away, Picard did what he usually does -- ran
away just like a whimp...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Bungee!        
Date & Time: 05/23/90 16:26:43
Message Number  4965

Good idea -- AN IBM!
 
Hey everyone!  It was awards day at our school, and I got the award for
"Best Programmer" in the entire school -- I beat out all the Juniors
and Seniors -- I think my teacher admired how I changed the prompt on
DOS to mush-dos, made bogus auto-exec files to protect my work,
made everything that /could/ involve it Read-Only, then rename the
command to make files deletable/changeable to something entirely
different, and protect the entire DOS directory so it couldn't be
deleted -- My teacher /still/ can't figure out how to fix the
prompt -- HEHEH!  And neither can anyone else!  I guess she liked
my knowledge of Pascal as well...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:03:41
Message Number  4966

I'll be rabid for Aliens III (or is it Alien III, or Alienses?) after I
see "Total Recall."  BTW, you know when Aliens III will be out?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:05:07
Message Number  4967

I don't know if these "weird midnight people" do Arnold look-alike
contests.  When I saw TMNT at midnight, 1/2 the theatre was full of
drunken folk screaming "Cowabunga" and "Gee, those turtles aren't real"
and other silly comments.  Don't even ask about the heavy metal concert
that got routed into the Denny's.
 
   ...last time I saw a turtle at a midnight movie was Heavy Metal.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:10:56
Message Number  4968

>    ???
 
Same to you, Bud!  In fact, eat hot punctuation.
 
    !    ?    .
 
and a , to grow an inch.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:13:44
Message Number  4969

>I have trouble remembering my name!
 
So I have a valid excuse when it takes me two or three tries to get it
right.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: <?>            
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:15:27
Message Number  4970

Sometimes I boggle myself.  I've nearly boggled myself to death.
---
On a totally unrelated track (or is that tract), have you seen the comic
"Invaders from Home" from Piranha Press?   Really funny.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/23/90 18:58:20
Message Number  4971

Saying Kirk could kick Picard's butt is like saying Patton could kick
Jacques Cousteau's butt.  It doesn't matter whether he could or not,
I'd still rather have Cousteau leading the exploratory mission	 I was
on.  If you don't like ST:TNG, feel free to go back to all those great,
intellectually challenging shows like "Kirk and the Planet of Greek
Gods", "Kirk and the Planet of Dippy Hippies", "Kirk and Yet Another
Planet with Hyperintelligent Globes of Light That Humans Can Feel
Superior To After 60 Minutes Anyway", etc.  There were a few old ST
episodes that TNG still can't touch, but an average "new" episode
outshines an average "old" episode in per capita intelligence, not just
advanced special effects.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 19:56:01
Message Number  4972

Yipe! Your spelling and grammer is worse than mine!  That aside, your
view is actually the prelevant one on this board.  We just enjoy 
arguing.  (At least I do.)  -Raven-
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/23/90 20:02:54
Message Number  4973

Why can't we.  _B_orn _A_gain _C_hristians (or bocas for short) are
second only to new agers to having their foot in theirs.  Besides,
the get so wonderfully riled up when you believe something not written
in the bible, or, for that matter, a section of the bible that they are
ignoring.  New agers, on the other hand, are'nt any fun to poke at, as
they are unable to react (something about not having a central nervous
system, I believe).
 
             A kick back and watch the sparks fly Raven.
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: 10             
Date & Time: 05/23/90 20:11:27
Message Number  4974

So what's your point?
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 20:16:24
Message Number  4975

YES!! 9 days left! It looks like it may be on par w. Do androids dream
of electric sheep.  Fun.
                          a SF movie fan Raven
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 20:26:19
Message Number  4976

Intellect test? I got the test, but lost my intellect.  Oh, how has the
painful programming project gone?
 
                       -Raven-
===========

From: THRUD               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: green women    
Date & Time: 05/23/90 21:39:04
Message Number  4977

Should we presume that Jane Fonda is representative of all red women ?
===========

From: THRUD               
To: THE MANAGEMENT      
Subject: telix          
Date & Time: 05/23/90 21:42:41
Message Number  4978

As long as this area is empty, I'll assume I can leave you a note here.
I switched to telix about 2 weeks ago, and thereafter wasn't able to
call you - I'd connect, but then I'd get gargbage and symbols. Then 
for the hell of it, I thought I'd try my old term program, flashlink -
and there you were. I tried telix again, no dice. why do you think 
that is ? Adiou
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 22:09:43
Message Number  4979

Which Anthony novel was the new Schwartzeneidernetherneithernoogie
movie based on?  (tsk, tsk .... Upon which ....was the movie based.
What you have to through to avoid ending a sentence with a
preposition!)
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Riker          
Date & Time: 05/23/90 22:16:33
Message Number  4980

No need to be concerned, no new violent streak has appeared ... I want
disfigured, but not hurt.  It's the 23rd century (or thereabouts)
the technology for facial scarring has advanced tremendously.  You
can have multiple dueling scars without a single drop of blood or
even a fencing lesson.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: RAVEN               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 23:00:10
Message Number  4981

So, should we make this a pilgramig (gee, I wish I had mastered the art
of spelling) to see Arnie in action, not to mention what appear to be
really good FX and even better one-liners?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/23/90 23:02:54
Message Number  4982

What's with this new trend of making Arnie's name as long as we can?
Arnold SchwartzenIcantspellhisnamesoilljuststringtogetherwordswithout-
anypunctuationorspaces is not /that/ hard to spell.
 
   ...oop OP oop OP OP, oop OP walla walla bing bang
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Riker          
Date & Time: 05/23/90 23:05:40
Message Number  4983

In the 23rd century they use the transporter to transport scars onto
the skin.  No muss, no fuss.
 
 
   ...set phasers on emasculate.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Not Bungee!    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 00:16:20
Message Number  4984

 
You'd be scary with a real operating system, Son.
 
...but I forget. You use AmigaDOS. ARE you scary with a real operating
system?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Denny          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 00:17:38
Message Number  4985

Hey, Rufus, what about the heavy metal concert that got routed into
Denny's? (And was it a good group, and were people yelling and smashing
things and behaving like drunken fools, and if so, why wasn't I there?)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RAVEN               
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 00:20:31
Message Number  4986

he problem with New Agers isn't their lack of a central nervous
system, it's the remarkable fluidity of their beliefs. Trying to pin
down a New Ager to a specific point is about as frustrating as trying
to nail Jell-O to a cross...it just keeps oozing away. I hate when that
happens--it gets all over my shoes.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: telix          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 00:23:33
Message Number  4987

Ghods, I have NO idea why Telix is giving you conniptions. I've
long since given up trying to diagnose weird problems IBM users have
this board--half the users I talk to have all sorts of bizzare problems
that seem to be confined to the world of MS-DOS, for reasons that
are remarkable in their crystalline opacity. Just at a guess, I'd say
you didn't have Telix set to 8N1 (8-bit words, no parity, one
stop bit), but I dunno. Several users here use Telix without difficulty,
though, so the problem shouldn't be a terminal one...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 00:26:11
Message Number  4988

>What you have to through to avoid ending a sentence with a preposition!
 
Or use complete sentences, even. Anyway, "Total Recall" the movie is
based on a book also called "Total Recall." C'est obvious, n'est pas?
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: generous       
Date & Time: 05/24/90 01:14:09
Message Number  4990

Poor wording.. Ive been accused of being a smartass all my life 
because half the time I speak before thinking.  Anyway, you are
very correct in that all recognized religeons try to influence the
goverment.  And I should not have picked out Born Again Christians
for doing what every other one is doing or trying to do.  But, I
went to several B.A. Christain churches, and all I heard about 
was how they were going to send so and so to DC to rally for
anti-abortion.  And when a president of the united states claims
to be born again, I think it's gon a little to far.  Free speach
should be for everyone, not just for those with no taxes who can
afford to send people to Washington via plane, train, and auto.
 
                       Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: ect. misstood  
Date & Time: 05/24/90 01:21:44
Message Number  4991

What I mean by looking around for god everywhere, especially inside
yourself, and in Nature is not a Wellian Big Brother, but rather
a Druidic god.  Not a vengfull god, nor a god who requires sacragices,
but a god who created this wonderfull universe.  I don't have any
documentation on this, but Ive heard that nearly every astronuat
who has gone up into space has come back believing in god.  Some kind
of god.  I figure that this is heaven, and hell.  It's whatever you
make of it.  LIFE.. (no not that mag.)
 
        See ya in the clover patch
                      TRee.
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: RAVEN               
Subject: grammatical vie
Date & Time: 05/24/90 01:28:07
Message Number  4992

My English teacher told me I was one of the best in the class as far
as Creativity... spelling and grammer can go the way of Shakespear (sp.)
I'm more for Mark Twain... By the way, thats were I get my views from,
reading.. And I love argueing, If only once, I would win!
 
          Over the dale and through the woods,
                         TRee
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: >Green         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 01:36:02
Message Number  4993

Never saw a real live Green women,  but Ill bet she can cook to!
 
                    Tree
===========

From: TREE BEARD          
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts II      
Date & Time: 05/24/90 01:44:18
Message Number  4994

They (Siscal and Ubert thats who) said that the summer of '89 was the
year of sequals, But I think its the summer of '90,'91,'92 ect. all.
probably this year if they can make a buck or 5.50 on it!
   
           Is this live, or a sequal
                        Tree.
===========

From: DM2                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Invalidation   
Date & Time: 05/24/90 04:39:11
Message Number  4995

I must be tired.  That made sense. 
         ---A crosseyed DM
===========

From: DM2                 
To: RUFUS               
Subject: TMNT           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 04:42:03
Message Number  4996

RUFUS:
   Just be glad that there wasn't anyone in there wearing a long
black cloak, heavy makeup and high-heeled boots.  
                    ---a Rocky Horror non-virgin
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 07:27:26
Message Number  4997

Picard occasianally fuctions according to common sense, which Kirk
rarely did, (on the show anyway) and then had to be bailed out by some
incredible coincidence. When he could have just avoided the whole thing]
quite easily. (I hate it when you watch a show, and realize characters
are doing stupid things, simply to give the show a plot) Anyway, I liked
both, but Kirk definitely was an idiot more often than not.
 
Kill Riker and Wesley... everyone else is tolerable.
 
>> Both Worf and Data are great characters <<
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 07:37:53
Message Number  4998

> do androids dream of electic sheep.
 
We showed that on campus the week-end of the con, Willow too, you missed
in... hahahaha.. of course you /did/ go to Oasis.. <grumble bitch> 
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: THRUD               
Subject: telix          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 07:40:11
Message Number  4999

Make sure the baud rate is set for 1200 in the dialing directory, and
comm parameters are set of N-8-1,  your old term may have had auto-buad
detection as the default.. you can turn it on again in telix if you like
-- it's turned off so poeple with high speed modems locked at 9600 buad
won't have problems.. anyway, to turn it on:
 
  Hit Alt - O  (For options)
  Select "Modem and dialing"
  Hit 'M' for Auto Baud detect
  Change to 'Yes' and telix will set the current baud by reading the 
'Conect xxx' string. 
 
BTW I assume you're using Telix 3.12 - if you're not, call The Shadow @
359-1717 and get it.. it's worth the time.  
Hope this works!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ALL                 
Subject: Griffin dormant
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:32:12
Message Number  5000

     Why are most of my friends WEIRD?
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Troi           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:32:58
Message Number  5001

>Have you seen any green women that aren't Trollops?
      
   You obviously haven't seen Barbara after she tasted some of my
cooking.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:33:46
Message Number  5002

I've been doing okay physically, and I've been going insane, mentally.
(Do NOT, under any circumstances, ever take three courses with the
same professor.... ooooh, my head!)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Invalidation   
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:49:22
Message Number  5003

Dear Turtle,
   I was giving a post-modern Turtle-spew in response to that message,
but in the middle of the message a "BTM" light began flashing on my
modem's dashboard, so I looked it up in the modem manual and read
"Bad Taste Monitor." The modem refused to allow me to type anymore.
So I won't re-type the message linking a bug light for the sun,
pollution, gyroscopes, and fruit flies.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:54:51
Message Number  5004

Dear Rufus comma
    After having eaten my punctuation comma what do I do now question
mark Should I do like that fellow on the Electric Company dash the
person who does audible punctuation question mark 
                Anxiously awaiting comma
                     Chip P period Unicorn
     
P period S period My name isn apostrophe t Bud period 
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: ect.           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 10:59:22
Message Number  5005

The New Age philosophy seems to be, "Well, maybe if we all worship
whoever we want, then maybe we can all call it a religon." Nice "feel-
good" idea -- but terrible if you want some meat mixed in with the
milk and honey.
   The problem I've had (yes -- this was even before I moved in with
Todd) with B.A.C's is that they might have SOME basis for their 
religion -- the Bible -- which they insist is provably true, and never
examine the facts closely enough to check their proofs.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Arnold         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:05:38
Message Number  5007

A preposition should never be used to end a sentence with.
I believe the novel was titled "Total Recall" (makes sense, no?) --
based on the Phillip K. Dick story "We Can Remember It For You
Wholesale."
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TREE BEARD          
Subject: generous       
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:09:19
Message Number  5008

Dear Tree Beard,
   I'm still confused: what's, really, wrong with a President claiming
to be born-again? We haven't yet had an athiestic President (and so far
we've only had one Catholic) -- but the Presidents tend to be whatever
is one of the larger religions in the country. 
   Also, I assume we're both talking about the same President: Jimmy
Carter.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:15:01
Message Number  5009

Oh, don't kill off both Riker and Wesley... the show NEEDS some humor.
            Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: THRUD               
Subject: green women    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:30:21
Message Number  5010

> Should we presume that Jane Fonda is representative of all red women ?
 
Well, we could, but it's not likely.  "Liberal" <> "Communist."
                                                ^
                                       ("not equal" in BASIC)
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ST & ST:TNG    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:34:22
Message Number  5011

Give Wesley a break already.  He stopped being a twit at the end of the
first season (when Wil Wheaton went to the producers and said "if my
character saves the Enterprise once more, I'm leaving"), and has, on
occasion, shown signs of being a pretty interesting character--on most
of the shows of this season when he's had anything to do, in fact, and
on the episode where he and Picard had to travel to the same planet in a
shuttlecraft.  Wesley is more of an actual CHARACTER than Tasha Yar
ever was -- the only episode she ever did anything interesting in was
after she was dead, and that episode wasn't good because of any dramatic
revelations about her: when your character is cardboard, you can't look
into it too deeply by definition....
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Griffin dormant
Date & Time: 05/24/90 11:37:37
Message Number  5012

Like attracts like.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Bungee!    
Date & Time: 05/24/90 12:56:18
Message Number  5013

> You use AmigaDOS.  ARE you scary with a real operating system?
 
I a word:  YUP!  heheheh -- I've made afew modifications -- I can't
wait 'til I get C!  I can write my own AmyDOS commands, then!  hehehehe
 
-Ken Ober-
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Questions...   
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:33:47
Message Number  5014

Donthen -
 Yes, but will Lithuania miss Sammy?  Did Sammy support Lithuanian
democracy?  Am I still running a fever from my strep throat?
                                The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: -              
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:37:11
Message Number  5015

You oughta look at a man's face before ya hang him.
                          - Clint (again)
Squint Like Clint Trivia:  what was his first role in a motion picture?
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Puzzles...     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:40:31
Message Number  5016

Something that puzzles me.. perhaps a bbsing Catholic can answer this:
  It used to be a sin to eat meat on Friday but now its not (except
during Lent), right? So what if I died while eating a cheeseburger on
a Friday back when it was a sin? I'd be burning and turning, right? So
now that its not a sin, would I get out of Hell free without passing Go
and without collecting $200?  Or do I have to keep suffering even though
its no longer a sin?
                        The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ANGEL               
Subject: What?          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:45:32
Message Number  5017

Dearest Angel,
   I missed this skirts over the head display.  Did you get paid for it?
How much?  Will you, like, do this for ANYONE who can come up with an
equivalent amount of $$$?  Exactly /what/ were you promoting? :>
                               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:50:45
Message Number  5018

"Let this much be said; and further let us affirm what seems to be the
truth, that, whether one is or is not, one and the others in relation
to themselves and one another, all of them, in every way, are and are 
not, and appear to be and appear not to be."
                                     -Parmenides
I love to toss this out (I memorized it about ten years ago) but 
seldom get to use it, and you mentioned Socrates, so............
                                      The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Doghouse       
Date & Time: 05/24/90 13:57:20
Message Number  5019

Jonboy -
I am at the Doghouse (remember when it was Dick's Doghouse?) all the 
time.  I seldom miss Taco Nite ( cant stand 'em personally but my wife
and brother love em so I go along for the beer ).  Seek me out and I'll 
buy the first pitcher!
                        The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SAURON              
Subject: bras           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 14:03:09
Message Number  5020

Sauron,
   I dont own a bra...think I should buy one?  CAn I just borrow one
from my wife and see if I like it first?
                      The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: D.T.           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 14:05:45
Message Number  5021

Donthen!
   I /hope/ you were kidding when you said you couldnt remember who
Dejah Thoris was/is!  
                 The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Correction     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 14:11:00
Message Number  5022

Chip,
Ummm I hate to be picky but it was "The Number of the Beast" not "The
Mark of the Beast" and Deety's husband was Zebadiah J. Carter, not 
Z.E. Smith....but other than that you were close...except the protagon-
ist in the Barsoom series was also named Carter...and I dont think his
first initial was E. (but I might be wrong about /that/)....other than
that you were right on the mark.
                      The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Arrgh!         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 14:19:11
Message Number  5023

Not you too!  Edgar Rice Burroughs is doing cartwheels in his grave.
Doesnt anyone read the classics anymore?  Is the golden age of Science
Fiction forgotten?
                     The Yngling
"All fled,
  all gone,
So lift me on the pyre.
The feast has ended
  and the lamps expire."
           -Robert E. Howard (found on a sheet of paper in his type-
            writer after his suicide)
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: YNGLING             
Subject: D.T.           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 15:01:10
Message Number  5024

No, I said I was confused.  I never really did the Barsoom thing, to use
a Turtle-ism, so it's not something that would come to mind all that
easily.  I'm sure Sauron will say something obnoxious to me in
retaliation for having a low PQ (Pulp Quotient).
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Arrgh!         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 15:03:36
Message Number  5025

Golden Age of sf?  _Burroughs?_  Next thing you'll be telling me that
Hugo Gernsback did a GOOD THING for the field by starting to publish it
in his predecessor to Radio-Electronics, and firmly establishing it in
the "penny dreadful" writing category with cheap printing, lurid covers,
and a pulp image it's still fighting to escape from some sixty years
later.  And what did sf fen do?  They went and named the third most
important sf award after him (behind the Nebula and the Campbell award,
at least in my ranking).  For the sort of thing ERB was writing, it's
really good, but it's still barbaric fantasy ala Conan in sf trappings.
Olaf Stapledon, Ward Moore, Alfred Bester, Ted Sturgeon--these were the
ones pushing sf's envelope forward.  Stapledon was doing it at the same
time Asimov was starting his writing engine with the first "Foundation"
books, too.
 
P.S.: and if you're looking for barbaric fantasy, Fritz Leiber still did
it better with "Fafhrd & Grey Mouser" than Burroughs & Howard could have
done in a collaboration.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Denny          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 16:00:55
Message Number  5026

Well, only the spectators made it to Dennys, the group probably ended
up at a Perkins, where they met they're new member, who was a biker
ex-con.  Anyways, they were load, but there wasn't a whole lot of
destruction.  On the way out they asked me if I had just gotten married.
I don't know why.
 
   ...of course, the fact I had a tux on could have been it.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: skirts         
Date & Time: 05/24/90 16:08:18
Message Number  5027

You can be replaced period  No one likes a wise ass open parentheses
or a unicorn for that matter close parentheses period
 
         ellipse spelling is not my forte period
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DM2                 
Subject: Invalidation   
Date & Time: 05/24/90 17:21:59
Message Number  5028

>   ---A crosseyed DM
 
%)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Griffin dormant
Date & Time: 05/24/90 17:23:58
Message Number  5029

>Why are most of my friends WEIRD?
 
Poetic justice.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Puzzles...     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 17:30:46
Message Number  5030

Hard to say...but presumably a sin remains a sin even after it
has become obsolete. (It's the intent that counts, you see...)
I'll have to have my lawyer check it out.
           --An irreverent Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Denny          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 17:35:40
Message Number  5031

No destruction? Pity. The Scorpions visited a Hardee's in Cape
Coral one day and pretty much levelled the place; I was pissed about
missing THAT one for weeks. Oh well...so DID you just get married??
===========

From: THRUD               
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: telix          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 20:53:35
Message Number  5032

Exactly right ! I downloaded telix with 2400 preset for all numbers in
the directory, edited one out, put AR in, and never changed the baud
rate. telix is miles better than the term that came with my modem
   thanxxxxxx,  Thruddddddddd
===========

From: THRUD               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: pink women     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 21:02:08
Message Number  5033

Oh, you must mean the new, improved Jane fonda. OK, I'll write off
her excursion to North Vietnam, her picture wearing a hat with the 
hammer and sickle, and her regrets at not being able to watch an
American fighter shot down. I suppose we all did dumb things when
we were younger. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and call
her a lighter shade of pink nowadays. You don't (gasp!) associate 
yourself with the likes of fonda and liberals do you ? I thought 
this was a respectable board.
   Back to the original question of green women - weren't all
Denubian danceing girls green? Have you ever seen an ugly 
Denubian Dancing girl ?  
   Incidently, I LOVED Barbarella - 'twas probly her last good role.
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From: THRUD               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: D.T.           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 21:17:48
Message Number  5034

Jeez, it gives me the deetees just to think about it .... I still 
remember the days of "My captain, would you...."       Never mind.
  also - are you sure Parmenides said that ? It sounds a lot like
Ronald Reagan. clones, perhaps ?
  also - as a non-practicing Catholic - I never thought it was
a sin to eat meat on Friday -that's just another one dreamed up by
a bunch of old Italian men (priests) over the centuries that were
pissed because they were sitting home on Friday nights and everyone
else was haveing a good time. 
  also - I like the tacos, love the beer - can't wait for this
summer/a term to be done at MCC, cause I don't drink during the
while schools in.       
                         A sober Thrud
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Lan vs. Mini's 
Date & Time: 05/24/90 21:48:06
Message Number  5035

Actually the DEC thing is both hardware and software - yea verily there
art many pitfalls with haggling amongst the IC's over the ownership
of many contested interrupts with mighty crashes and bellows of wounded
warriors as they fall from the heights of the LAN of VMS.
Moral: Add shit to a bouquet and you have a bundle of pretty shit.
 
Also I was wondering about those "performance" numbers also.  I drive
the systems administrator wild with our Netware 386 system.  I mail
him a 1.2 meg file and it gets corrupted (and never a whisper to let
you know that it screwed up).  I mail several 1.2 meg files and the
system dies.  It's funny... it starts as a major rattling in the 386
server and ends as "Server not found"  "Drive not valid" on screens
throughout the plant.  hehehehe....
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From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: :) the sequel  
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:00:37
Message Number  5036

Now you said you didn't believe that stuff!!!! <grin>
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From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:01:50
Message Number  5037

Ever tried kicking the yike-yike (my generic term for a canine under 
80 lbs) and just saying "Sorry - I'm not interested."?  Really - from
what you have described of your job it seems to bleed hostility into
your private life.  They too are just people and deserve a little 
better than misdirected hostility.  If they persist - yell at them with
gusto as there are some that *are* pushy bastards and deserve to be
enlightened.
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From: JONBOY              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: You            
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:10:52
Message Number  5038

Get real - sometimes people believe in something but have a difficult
time expressing themselves.  All it takes is a jackanape like you to
come along and poke fun at an easy target.  You find it easy to
disbelieve.  I have met many like you - the emptiness inside becomes
"there is nothing else besides me".  Try finding something more 
meaningful than yourself - it won't be too hard.
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: IBMs           
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:18:43
Message Number  5039

I prefer the original idea by Alan Kaye (one of my heroes) who concepted
the "DynaBook" at PARC.  This is where the "revolutionary" ideas came
from that Apple STOLE.
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From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: abuse          
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:26:14
Message Number  5040

The mags and books are FREE!  Call me at work  355-9761 ext 2029
if ya want 'em
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Subject:   
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:28:15
Message Number  5041

Why not?  He makes the rules - it is the age old question of Good/Bad
and why do people suffer ad nauseum.  Point is - God is God and is
so far above us that we simply can't relate.  Speaking of can't relate.
I'm really havin a hard time keepin my motivation up for this - gimme
a simple subject - my life at work has been a wreck for 2 weeks now.
Read Job 4 or 5 times and maybe something will bleed in.  Job understood
and the third "friend" almost understood and the first two and the entir
community were way off base.
Maybe it's like the Mormons believe - theres a special; place where all 
will be presented to people that didn't ever hear of the Word and allowd
the chance to (dis)believe.
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Reality        
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:33:14
Message Number  5042

'Tis true... I happen to have had things happen which I consider proof.
'Course these things also can be subjective.
To clarify something which looks horrible in my last message -
God makes the rules...  what I'm trying to say is that as you drive to 
work you do in several hundred (at least) bugs by walking on them
driving in/on/over/thru them etc.  Does this impinge on your awareness
and would it alter your course of action to know this?  Hell no.
Problem is most humans have a terrible time trying to bring their
psyches in tune with a being of this magnitude.
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From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:38:57
Message Number  5043

FUSION!!!  Actually imagine that for every black hole there is a white
one.  Imagine eternity being ripped apart compacted spewed out into 
another universe only to be sucked back in repetively....  WOW!
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From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:40:24
Message Number  5044

I'll digf it out... I can't remeber the exact title and I still
have a lot of stuff in boxes...  I goty it in a bookstore in Utah
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From: JONBOY              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Real dips      
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:43:11
Message Number  5045

But you feel that you can stomp without any other reason than
a cry of "prove it!!!"???  C'mon - be as open minded as you propose.
 
BTW we are looking at windows 3.0 this week
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From: JONBOY              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/24/90 22:50:02
Message Number  5046

Nahhh - sorry Donthen - I really *am* tired as hell this week and have
been boogiing trying to keep from getting too far behind on the board.
I undferstand all the problems that people have with Christianity.
#1  - It really is a free lunch in the respect works can't buy you
into heaven
#2  - Just because of #1 don't get the idea that you can get away with 
murder - you develop an excruciating consciencve that bothers you if
you are naughty.
#3  - The whole story is one of faith - don't just look at one small
part and say "it ain't true!".  The story is 4000 years old with
a very consistent "plot" and a dramatic ending.  It's pretty tuff to
keep a fake philosophy going that long over that many authors.  And
what is so bad about the message?  You don't need to end it here.
Believe in Jesus - who preached brotherhood and love for your fellow man
and yu will live forever.  So what eternal flames is the other route?
As a non-believer the option is a void.  What is worse?
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From: DONTHEN             
To: THRUD               
Subject: pink women     
Date & Time: 05/25/90 08:39:49
Message Number  5049

Well, I've only seen ONE Denubian Dancing girl...
 
I associate myself with liberals, Michael Dukakis not withstanding.  Not
necessarily with Jane Fonda; a lot of liberals are idiotic, I just think
there are proportionately less idiotic liberals than idiotic
conservatives.  Even so, I refuse to buy the Jane Fonda = Antichrist
line a lot of people have tried to hand me (on several BBS's, no less),
and I've also never seen why people can't separate an artist's (i.e.,
writer, illustrator, actor, whatever) work from the artist's personality
or politics.  Even if Fonda had done most of the things she's accused
of (there's evidence for about half the stories people spew, if that)
and was completely unrepentant and hadn't changed her mind about
anything as far as political ethics go (which she has, publicly, but
people like to forget that, too), it has absolutely no relation on how
well she can act.
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From: DONTHEN             
To: JONBOY              
Subject: validation     
Date & Time: 05/25/90 08:52:59
Message Number  5050

> It's pretty tough to keep a fake philosophy going that long over that
> many authors.
 
It's not the philosophy that most people have problems with, it's the
practice -- and, also, the central tenet that unless you believe the
Supreme Being not only exists but became incarnate, was killed as a
criminal, rose from the dead and in doing so, absolved everybody else of
all their sins as long as they truly believe in the preceding premises,
that a lot of people (myself included) have problems with.  I am not
comfortable with a scapegoat, divinely ordained or not.
    Also, of course, it could be pointed out that Wicca, Buddhism,
and Shintoism all have followers today -- the total number most likely
exceeding all the Christians -- and each of those theologies have been
around over 4000 years, through just as many authors.  If that quote
above can be used to support Christianity, it can be used to support the
others equally facilely.
    And, no, the idea of an afterlife isn't somehow "bad."  It can be
accused, however, of being a cosmic dog cookie: follow us and you'll be
rewarded with eternal life.  This is followed with the cosmic dog
paddle: if you don't, you'll be punished with eternal damnation.  A
truly cynical analysis of a theology that effectively sold itself that
way would, perhaps, conclude that it used such tactics because its
teachers didn't feel it was attractive enough without a carrot/stick to
"convince" people, something that The Great Cosmic Truth, one would
think, wouldn't have a problem with.  As someone else said on here,
Christians assume all other religions are like spectacles looking at the
Truth with varying degrees of optical accuracy.  They dismiss the notion
that Christianity itself may not be the Truth, but merely one more pair
of glasses.
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