

#: 5984 S1/General Interest
    11-Aug-90  11:22:11
Sb: #letter/move
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: sysop (X)

Is it possable to move a letter I left for Kevin out of the genral base to
somewher like the hardware/tech?

thank you..

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#: 5987 S1/General Interest
    11-Aug-90  12:09:04
Sb: #5984-letter/move
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: David Jones 76256,1223 (X)

David,

It posible for us to move anything for you, however, the forum doesn't have a
Hardware/Technical section per se.

If you'd like to type SN and view the choices, then let me know what strikes
your fancy, I'd be happy to move message #5931 for you.

Deal?

Steve

#: 5985 S3/Languages
    11-Aug-90  11:25:17
Sb: #5883-Mroff docs
Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Mark,

I will upload it into DL6 with a note that it includes your additions. This
will leave you the option grabbing it and incorporating it into the revised
archive.  Your clibdoc.ar is a slick useful package of all the parts that are
needed to document and print Carl's library. Unless you think it is too big,
the mroff manual is a useful part of it.

Ken

#: 5988 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:47:25
Sb: #5971-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Thanks.  It comes from setting the palette all black and then resetting it
after the picture is loaded.

#: 5989 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:48:31
Sb: #5978-#SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Richard Taylor 73137,3324

I have looked and I cannot find the required View utility here on CIS.  I know
it is on Delphi.  Can anyone that has a copy handy of View40.ar upload it?

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#: 5993 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  14:29:33
Sb: #5989-SPoker
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)

It has been done. It will be available in DL10 as soon as the sysop and CIS
process it.

Zack

#: 5990 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:49:39
Sb: #5981-#SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hmm, do you have gfx2 in memory when you run the program?

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#: 6048 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:55:13
Sb: #5990-#SPoker
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)

I have runb merged with gfx2, inkey, and syscall. It's the new gfx2 by the
way..

Hugo

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#: 6107 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  21:29:06
Sb: #6048-SPoker
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662

Do you have view in memory or in your execution directory when you startup?
What type of monitor do you have?

#: 5991 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:51:17
Sb: #5983-Graphics Viewer
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Hey, Zack, thanks a lot for uploading the program.  Mucho Gracias.

#: 5992 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  13:53:43
Sb: #spectrum files
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
To: all

Does anyone have a need to view .spc (Spectrum Compressed, a file format used
by Atari ST's for pics) files on a CoCo?  If so, I am working on a program to
convert them to three-buffer vefs.

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#: 6000 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  18:47:29
Sb: #5992-spectrum files
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)

Shucks--it's always nice to have a way to view another graphics file format.
There are so dang many formats out there (and how 'bout that revised GIF
format? Guess that viewgif et al. might need some revision, though I'm
certainly not complaining, because the new GIF handles some important
omissions, e.g. aspect ratio) that it's hard to keep up.  The fellow who wrote
view 4.0 may well have some interest in .spc files.

#: 5994 S6/Applications
    11-Aug-90  15:11:17
Sb: Emacs
Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
To: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720

Brett,

Is is possible to implement word wrap with the version of MicroEMACS you
uploaded to dl 6? Also, can mode be changed? One more thing: procs tells me UE
grabs up to 32k of buffer while the internal UE buffers never add up to more
than 13 or 14K. Which is right? Or are they both right?

I had no problem getting the program to run on an old level two system using a
Wyse 50 terminal... even the "cut and paste" from one window (file) to another
(file).

Other than that, the program works VERY nicely.

Wendell

p.s. I'm using it now instead of DynaStar.

#: 5995 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Aug-90  16:06:48
Sb: #5837-#Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

I may write such a utility before this is over...  Another message for me says
that there's a version of "mv" whihc should be able to change the directory to
a more tractable name.

I wonder why the OS9 developers made '-' an unallowed character?  It seems
kinda strange after coming from UNIX...

--Dwight D. McKay
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay

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#: 6039 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  17:12:26
Sb: #5995-#Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521

Yeah... I ran into a "-" name situation this past week. Perhaps we should hack
(or just replace in an os9p3 module) the F$PrsNam function?

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#: 6060 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  19:42:04
Sb: #6039-Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kev, IMHO, hacking the "stock" F$PrsNam would not be a terrific idea, and even
replacing it via OS9P3 might not even be too swift. I've seen programs that use
F$PrsNam for other things besides path names. Maybe just change "rename" to
allow nonstandard file names for the orignal file? Bill

#: 6084 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  04:33:17
Sb: #6039-#Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Hi Kevin!

This could be a good idea.  I 'uucp' with 2 companies (Mark's uucp) that use
hyphens in their (and my) name.  Had to make extensive changes to Mark's uucp
to handle this - alias files, etc.

If you do this for OS-9/6809, will you do it for OS-9/680x0, too?  And, doesn't
that mean a new kernel?

Ed

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#: 6087 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  05:01:37
Sb: #6084-Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Naw, no new kernel.  Remember that each function can be replaced individually
under OS-9.  Someone noted that F$PrsNam was used by some programs for other
purposes and might get screwed up, but I don't see how/why.  Valid names are
valid names.  "-" options elsewhere have spaces in front.

#: 5996 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Aug-90  16:06:56
Sb: #5851-#Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335

Thanks for the offer Scott.  I'll try a program someone else pointed out for me
here or I'll just hack something together to rename or delete the file.  What a
pain... :-(

--Dwight D. McKay
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay

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#: 6058 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  19:41:50
Sb: #5996-Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521

A utility to rename a file with an illegal file name seems like something we
all could use at one time or another. I'll put it on my list of MM/1 projects.

Bill

#: 5997 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Aug-90  16:07:03
Sb: #5863-Files with "-"!!!
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723

Thanks, I'll look for them!

--Dwight D. McKay
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay

#: 5998 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    11-Aug-90  16:07:15
Sb: #5870-TOP UUCP woes...
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

I'm looking throught the uucico binary right now and I've yet to see some
mention of an aliase or permissions file.  Sigh...

If I do get TOP UUCP to run, I'll most definately write something about what
you need to do.  I wish I had a German speaker to translate the docs...

--Dwight D. McKay
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay

#: 6001 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  20:44:01
Sb: #5792-Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)

Check out my new 1.2 version for a driver that only slows down for data (much
faster).  Not sure about popping noises.  I got a buzzing noise when I tried to
add joystick capability (I take that up again in my C version.)
                    -- Jim McDowell

#: 6071 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:09:18
Sb: #5792-#Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)

If you still want them I'll send you a copy of the musical note conversion for
the SSC. (Just have to type it in.)
                  -- Jim McDowell

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#: 6096 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:45:14
Sb: #6071-Sound Master
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435

That would be great! Thanks!1

Floyd

#: 6002 S1/General Interest
    11-Aug-90  20:49:46
Sb: #5965-#Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104

Not sure why you should have had out of mem problems!?  But try my new version
1.2 the driver should be more reliable than the previous one (and much faster
too!).  Also Speech? Hmmm.  Perhaps relocating the driver and descriptor may
help (long boot lists can be tricky) You shouldn't necessarily have a
background click (unless of course the oscillator and envelope generator are
set for that sort of thing)  Let me know if you have any problems with version
1.2.
                -- Jim McDowell



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#: 6009 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  01:36:18
Sb: #6002-#Sound Master
Fm: Gerry herring 71477,667
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)

yeah! i have had the same problem..with392k free, i get error 237 after it
draws the nebu box. after it draws the menu box, it jumps out of /w7 and back
to /term, showing error 237.

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#: 6013 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  09:39:48
Sb: #6009-#Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Gerry herring 71477,667

Hmm sounds strange to me.... Try my new version 1.2 and also maybe you should
try merging SndMstr and Gfx2 and Runb together before running.  Other
possibilities: Relocating the SSCART and SSC to somewhere else in the boot list
but always make sure it is after SCF. Let me know if you still have probs. 
Send me an mdir mfree of your system also if the problem stays.
                    -- Jim McDowell

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#: 6063 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  21:23:52
Sb: #6013-Sound Master
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435 (X)

Jim, I d/l your program a few days ago and have been playing around with it. It
work fine for me. I was wondering if you where goj going to add a joystick or
hi-res mouse.

Tthanks for the program.

#: 6055 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  19:41:29
Sb: #6009-Sound Master
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Gerry herring 71477,667

Gerry,

Error 237 signals a shortage of "system space" ram, NOT overall available ram
(which is what MFREE reports.)

In OS9 LII on the CoCo3, each process is limited to 64K, this includes the
"system" process. Included in the 64K for the system process is the boot file.
You may be able to make some changes to your system setup that will free up
some more room within your system space. Unfortunately some of these changes
might require removing something that you want! And remember every little bit
helps, sometimes all you need to do is free up 256 bytes. You can use Kevin
Darlings SMap utility to show used and available system space, sometimes his
PMap is also handy. This is a partial list of things you can do:

1. Remove something from your boot file. At first this may sound drastic, but
analyze what is in your boot file, and think about what you actually use. Do a
"ident -s OS9Boot" to see what is REALLY in there, sometimes there are
duplicate modules, which take up extra space! Someone here can help you out
with what you might be able to remove, include the output of an ident (-s
please!) of OS9Boot or a "mdir e" in a message.

2. Reduce the number of active processes. I used to run 4 or 5 shells all the
time, this ate up precious system ram, so now I've cut it down to 3. Each
process takes up at least 512 bytes.

3. If you really don't need VDGInt, then boot into an 80 column "window" and
remove VDGInt from your boot file (if you want to do this, ask how). Some games
and programs require a VDG screen, so make sure you really want to do this.

4. Don't INIZ any device unless you really have to. This way (hopefully) each
device will only use system ram when its being used (this isn't always
practical, and doesn't always help, sometimes Kevin's DDir and Paths utilities
help figure out what is going on as far as open devices and system memory
usage.

I hope these suggestions help, feel free to ask any questions. Most of the OS9
gurus are busy working on software for the MM/1, so don't feel slighted if it
takes a while to get an answer!

Bill



#: 6073 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  00:26:23
Sb: #6009-Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Gerry herring 71477,667

Pls read msg 6072 for solution to 207 237 errors ( at least it worked for me)
               -- Jim McDowell

#: 6072 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  00:16:31
Sb: #5965-Sound Master
Fm: JIM MCDOWELL 70721,435
To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104

I thought more about your problem and it sounds similar to another one that I
experienced while testing my program (Error 207 problem) The reason I got the
error was because my SSCart and SSC were not placed properly in the boot list (
In my case I tried just LOADing them into memory) You may have to move them
around a little to get it right.  Make sure you are actually CONFIGing and new
disk or EZGENing it. To test whether this is the problem: When your system is
up and running with your normal configuration and SSCART and SSC are in memory
type ->   INIZ SSC
                                ECHO HI >/SSC If either of these gives a 207 or
237 error your SSCART and SSC need to be relocated.  They are not being
accessed properly. Let me know if you still have probs.
                 -- Jim McDowell

#: 6003 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  21:28:44
Sb: #dl10 quota
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: sysop (X)

DL10 has exceeded it's quota. I have some uploads. Thanks.

Zack

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#: 6006 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  22:18:59
Sb: #6003-dl10 quota
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

I'll take care of that straight away Zack. Sorry for the hassle.




#: 6007 S10/Tandy CoCo
    11-Aug-90  22:40:40
Sb: move/message
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Sysop (X)

Okay thanks, I guess just move it out of the general messages. I don't know if
anyone reads that base very often.

Thanks again.

#: 6008 S1/General Interest
    11-Aug-90  23:14:08
Sb: #5855-#CM-8
Fm: Sunny Lowe 72447,1037
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)

It also supports 320 x200x256 video also, and that is what most of my pictures
are in. Sunny.



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#: 6036 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  17:00:06
Sb: #6008-CM-8
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Sunny Lowe 72447,1037

Sunny - I wouldn't risk it.  VGA usually runs at 30Khz+ scan rate vs the 15Mhz
or so of the CoCo. Running the higher rate on the CM-8 would fry it (or at
least burn out the flyback transformer - I hear about $85 repair) very
quickly... perhaps in seconds.

Some VGA clone cards may go back and forth between scan rates (the ones which
use multisync monitors), but....

#: 6050 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  19:17:42
Sb: #6008-CM-8
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Sunny Lowe 72447,1037

The 320x200 is realy 320x400 the 200 lines are double scaned. So the CM-8 will
not work.

#: 6010 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  04:30:26
Sb: #TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: JAMES JONES 76257,562 (X)

Hi James!

During the MM1 Conference (7/25/90), you mentioned that METAFONT and Knuth's
TeX have been ported to OSK.  Where and how can I get these?

Ed

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#: 6012 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  07:56:00
Sb: #6010-#TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Well...one port was done by a guy in Canada named Avy Moise.  I don't know how
one would get in touch with him, but the other port was done by Peter Dibble,
and I *do* know how to get in touch with him.  Tell you what...I need to get me
a copy of it myself, so I will do that, and then I'll upload the results. (What
with the TOP stuff and now this, I wonder how big the OS-9/68000 section will
get? <grin>)

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#: 6046 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  17:44:39
Sb: #6012-TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Remind me: I think I have Avy's number around here. He did the PET 6809 os9
port, and apparently there are still many dozens of such users up around that
part of Canada <Toronto??>.

#: 6059 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  19:41:59
Sb: #6012-TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I suspect things will change (i.e. libraries, sections, etc.) once the MM/1 and
TC/K-Bus stuff hits the streets. I've already noticed some OS9/68000 stuff in
libraries other than LIB 12!

Bill

#: 6082 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  04:29:10
Sb: #6012-#TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi James!

Thanks - I'll be waiting for the upload.  Will there be docs, too?

re OS-9/68000 section -

Wouldn't surprise me if we need a whole new set of libraries - maybe even a new
SIG as more inexpensive 680x0 machines get out there.

Ed

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#: 6088 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  05:38:28
Sb: #6082-TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312

Dunno how much there will be in the way of docs--they may just say "go buy a
copy of the TeXBook."  More news as it happens.

#: 6016 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  11:02:20
Sb: #6010-#TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Ed:
    Common TeX is available on BIX, but you need to get the input, font, and
format files elsewhere.  Also on BIX:  a complete set of DVIxxx code.  I don't
know how well it works (I've yet to load the 5Meg of input/font/format files).
It wants a solid meg of RAM to run - definately not for a "small" machine. (It
won't run on my 1040ST - once the kernel et al  is loaded, less than a meg is
available - it is happy until it tries to load the format file(s) on my Force
CPU-30.)
          Robert



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#: 6083 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  04:31:00
Sb: #6016-TeX, METAFONTS
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432

Hi Robert!

I'm not on BIX.

Yeh, memory can be a problem.  I have 4 Meg and can add another 8 if I have to.
I understand the users in Germany (the ST is very popular there) were plagued
with memory problems, too.  They were going to do something about it.  Don't
know if they did.

Ed

#: 6015 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  10:59:27
Sb: #5931-#BIOS
Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
To: David Jones 76256,1223 (X)

If you haven't already received an answer to your question on how to disable
the BIOS ROM, here is some info I received from Burke & Burke (nearly 2 years
ago) that should do the trick.

...."To disable the ROM, simply remove jumper W3 on the hard disk controller
board.  Please note that removing the ROM will not disable it due to address
buffers on the circuit board. If you are unable to disable the ROM by removing
jumper W3, cut the connection to pin B12 of the 62 pin connector on the CoCo XT
and solder a wire between pins B12 and B11."....

I had to use the alternate method since my controller (WDXT-GEN) did not have a
W3 jumper.  Be aware that the pins on the 62-pin side of the CoCo XT are
numbered consecutively, unlike the 40-pin side with odd/even numbers on
opposing sides.  The "A" pins are on the component side and "A1" & "A31" are
marked.  "B" pins (unmarked) are on the reverse with "B1" directly under "A1".

You mentioned a "powered" Y-cable, so I assume you're aware of the need to
supply 12v to the controller.  If you are using an *old* RS floppy controller
you may also need to modify that since they were not fully decoded and respond
to the addresses $FF50-$FF53 which the CoCo XT needs.

  Paul



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#: 6023 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  11:54:41
Sb: #6015-BIOS
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)

thank you very much,I didn't think anyone knew what I was trying to do with
this. I have a CRC/DISTO SCII with 3 in 1 board,and My y-cable has 12volts..
again thanks.

#: 6018 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Aug-90  11:29:44
Sb: #5409-#Is Basic out of date?
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

OK Mark.  Well as I said, "I hope I don't HAVE to," and will certainly try not
to POKE the I/O and such.  And I will certainly warn others of the consequences
in portability and the hazards -- thanks for reminding me about the "Level 1"
vulerability.

So far I've worked it out with the MM/1 hardware folks that honest /MIDI device
drivers will permit not only playing, but even recording, with no funny
business.  So yes, you can count on my support.

The trick is to support each other into getting the HW/SW developers of the MM1
to put in the system routines that will make it un-attractive to cheat.

BTW, UltiMusE-III "cheats" in only one place -- writing directly to the serial
and parallel MIDI ports on the Coco3.  Everything else is system calls.  VDG
screens are "legit" too (tho I don't want to rewrite all that grafix code for
the MM/1, and Kev D already has it to the point where I don't need to.)

Say, thyanks for the flattery -- it works, grin.  --mike k Hope to meet you in
Atlanta -- you going?

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#: 6066 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Aug-90  22:04:50
Sb: #6018-Is Basic out of date?
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike,

Hmmmm....it's been so long since I left that message I almost forgot what you
were talking about (grin).

Yeah, I'd like to meet you too.  Don't know if I'll be in Atlanta, but I am
certainly going to try.

Mark

#: 6022 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Aug-90  11:49:30
Sb: #5527-Is Basic out of date?
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267

OK -- VARPTRT is called ADDR.  Yes, Kev D points out that PEEK/POKE don't get
much use.  It's a tribute to OS9's sys calls that you don't need them much, but
they are there if someone wants to [ab-]use them. I see C's libraries as a
strenght -- choose the one(s) you want. Maintainability is kept thru shared
header files (DEFs style), something B09 sorely lacks.  Of course some
discipline and good style are needed, or C can turn into assembly-grade mess.
But then look how many big porograms have been done fine in assembler (like our
favorite OS, grin).  --mike k

#: 6021 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Aug-90  11:44:35
Sb: #5524-#Is Basic out of date?
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267

OK Bill.  Global vars in B09 require some big sttrucutre (oops, TYPE) that you
pass as an arg to every procedure. But you're right, with all those structured
Basics popping up on the PCs, it's nice to brag that we were there long before.

I just find B09 awkward to wrok with.  Probably could improve my attitude a LOT
by using a real editor in another window, re-LOADing each fix, instead of
messing with the built-in editor.

Seriously, Microware really should update that editor for fullscreen. But if
you use it only for quick fixes, what the heck.

B09 desparately needs an an "include" or "Use" file thingie so TYPEs can be
defined the same in all procedures. Also Microware should do a compiler from
I-code to binary -that would give the PC crowd a run for their money. --mike k

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#: 6035 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Aug-90  16:53:13
Sb: #6021-Is Basic out of date?
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike - I'm with you on the "include/use" thingie for B09.

A while back I meant to find the editor section of basic, and add a fullscreen
option. Guess we should take another look at trying that.  Also had planned a
different approach: adding some kind of weird mode to SCFman's I$ReadLn routine
(over and above the fancier line editing) which would know to do a "-" to go up
one line and a ">cr<" to go down one, etc. Thx for reminder.

#: 6019 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  11:36:40
Sb: #5519-midi help
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Lester Hands 70135,430

Yeah, you can just *buy* SW for MS-doggies. I think you said you could get
ready-made grafix routines to do the screen stuff for you on the PCs.  You
writing in C, or assembler? Which grafix modes (EGA, CGA) do you support?

Second City pulled their ads during the slow summer months to save money. Lots
of folks got the wrong idea tho, so I don't think Ed will ever do that again! 
I never had any trouble with the phone numbers, tho.

I'm about to get an MM/1.  Sheesh, I just wish the Coco3 had come out a year or
two sooner for that matter. Anyway, the chips in the MM/1 weren't even around
till a year ago.

It's mostly OS9 that's kept me from going to Atari or Amiga or even the DOGs in
the last couple years.  No I can have my cake & eat it too. (that's Now I
can...).

Say, didn't Speech Systems go to Amiga?  Is Rich Parry still in biz? --mike k

#: 6020 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  11:38:50
Sb: #5520-midi help
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Lester Hands 70135,430

Glad you agree.  My MT-32 takes a while to get its ducks in a row if you hit it
with a few patch changes just before a big chord. Seems synths are going the
way of computers -- get more and more complex, and slower and slower asnd hard
to figure out.  --mike k

#: 6105 S4/MIDI and Music
    13-Aug-90  20:55:03
Sb: #5902-midi help
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Lester Hands 70135,430

Lester,

Thanks for the vote of confidence! Sure, OS/2 is a drag. Windows 3.0 DOES go
some way to relieve that problem, and it may end up supplanting DOS altogether,
becoming an interface/OS sort of like MacOS is an interface/OS.

Paul

Naturally, we have something MUCH BETTER than Windows 3.0 in the works.

#: 6024 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  11:55:51
Sb: #5688-#Ultimusic Bit banger
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274 (X)

Hi Denise.  Sometimes I wonder if the rhythms are right-on myself. Yes, others
have asked for a rhtym on-off inclusion, but I haven't done it yet -- have
added other nice goodies instead, byut will work on it.  MIDI Events also in
the work queue, but not much yet.

I can't tell a real big difference between the MIDI Pak and serial cable, tho
in theory the Pak should be better.  Especially if you use the /MIDI driver
mode.  Lots of folks have diuscussed building MIDI paks out of RS232 or Modem
packs, and some have built from scratch, but I don't have a ready set of plans.
You might first see what kind of deal you can get from Rulaford Research or
Intercomp Sound in Rochester, NY on the Pak without any software.  Best wishes,
mike k

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#: 6032 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  15:31:00
Sb: #6024-Ultimusic Bit banger
Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike, It just sounds like the rhythm track is slowing to stay in sync with the
microprocessor. If you know what I mean. Slight hesatations (very slight) but I
notice them. Kind of like the statement that time sharing through the bit
banger dosen't work very well with various programs under os9. It works the
best with the Multipak for timesharing. Is this what may be happening when
playing midi through the Bit Banger?

#: 6025 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  12:11:10
Sb: #5933-help
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Gilles Conte 73357,1103 (X)

There is not now a MIDI recorder in OS9.  I used to think it was inmpossible on
the Coco3 (without a lot of cheating), but now have an idea how to do it, so am
slowly working on it.  Absolutely no promises pr schedules, tho.  Also doing
anything wiht the recorded hand-playing, other than just playing it back, takes
some doing too. --mike k

#: 6026 S4/MIDI and Music
    12-Aug-90  12:13:54
Sb: #5934-help
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete, there is also an MT32 patch editor called "MTPanel" on here. I DL'ed it a
couple years ago and didn't test it much, but it seemed to work.  Decent use of
80x24 text windows on the Coco3.

To get a patch or sample dump on demand from a synth, you can cheat out OS9
just long enuf to snarf up the data.  As opposed to recording hand playing,
where you tie up things for minutes at a time. --mike k

#: 6027 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  12:57:39
Sb: BIOS
Fm: David Jones 76256,1223
To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)

Paul, I cut the jumper w3 out,Now I can use the floppies,before,all I got was
the ext-basic signon message. Os9 still wont boot,so I cut the line at b12,and
put a jumper between pins b12 b11, this still doesn't work. I went back to make
sure I posted the right # for the controller. It is a WD1002s-WX28,would this
be any diffrent?

Let me know.

Dave

#: 6028 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  13:13:31
Sb: #remote login question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL

I am in the process of setting up my OS9 Level 2 system up for remote logins
using the standard tsmon/login package. I have a strange situation, though.

I have patched SHell+ V2.0 so that my shell prompt is "What now? ". notice the
space in between "What" and "now", and the space after the "?". This was done
by putting a $06 at those locations in the binary.

My problem is this. When I login to device /t2 through tsmon/login the $06 is
not interpeted as a space, but as a null character, so my shell prompt becomes
"Whatnow?", with no spaces at all.

Any way around this?

Zack

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#: 6030 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  14:06:12
Sb: #6028-#remote login question
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

I'm confused (Mark: So what else is new?).

Why $06?  Wouldn't $20 be a space? What have I missed?

Steve

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#: 6052 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  19:25:56
Sb: #6030-#remote login question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

I first tried a space. When I patched the prompt to be "What now? " with $20 in
the two space locations, I get the prompt "What". It became apparent that the
FIRST space encountered signalled the end of the prompt string. I forget who,
but someone recommended using a $06 where I wanted imbedded spaces, tried it
and it works. Only not with device /T2. Works fine in VDG and regular window
devices, though.

So, any ideas?

Zack

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#: 6067 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  22:04:59
Sb: #6052-remote login question
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack,

Interesting.....a $06 is an ACK, so maybe something is eating it on your remote
end.  You might try changing it to an $A0 since that is a space with the MSB
set.  Maybe the other end will just strip the high bit and leave you with
showing a real $20.  Of course, on your CoCo it'll show as a dot ".".

Reminds me of the time years ago when someone said Tandy was selling CoCos in
Canada with the "OK" prompt changed to "Eh?".   Bruce Isted will appreciate
this (grin).

Mark

#: 6093 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    13-Aug-90  12:05:20
Sb: #6052-remote login question
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack -

I used to use the underscore ('_')...

Pete

#: 6056 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  19:41:35
Sb: #6028-#remote login question
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

Zack,

Probably your terminal (or terminal emulation software if using another
computer) is throwing the $06 away, have you tried other values, like $20 (as
Steve suggested)?

Bill

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#: 6064 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
    12-Aug-90  21:58:39
Sb: #6056-remote login question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

As I mentioned, $20 would work fine for "normal" VTxxx terminal emulation, but
it doesn't work for standard window devices locally. When I used $20 as the
imbedded spaces, I got a prompt of "What". The FIRST apces signals the "end of
the prompt string". Since I use my system more locally, I will probably leave
it like it is for now.

Zack

#: 6029 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  13:51:06
Sb: #CART INTERRUP
Fm: CHUCK OSTERBY 73766,374
To: [F] All



TO: SYSOP RE: OS-9 CART INTERRUPT

I PURCHASED SUBLOGICS FLIGHT SIMULATOR II AND HAVE GREAT TROUBLE LOADING IT. 
HAVE CONTACTED SUBLOGLIC WHO WERE VERY QUICK IN REPL REPLACING THE ORIGINAL
DISK. THIS DID NOT HELP THE PROBLEM AND NO ONE AT SUB LOGIC SEEMS TO BE AWARE
OF THE CART INTERRUPT PROBLEM MENTION IN A RECENT ISSUE OF RAINBOW. SYMPTOMS
ARE:  IENTER DOS COMMAND AND GET THE OS 9 BOOT MESSAGE.  NO PROBLEM.  AFTER THE
SCREEN GIVES ME THE OS 9 LEVEL II VER 2.00.01 MESSAGE AND THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR
BEGINS TO LOAD, THE SCREEN WILL FREEZE AND I WILL SEE HORIZONTAL WHITE STREAKS
ABOUT 2 INCHES LONG AND ONE OR TWO SCAN LINES HIGH FLASHING ACROSS MY SCREEN. 
NOTHING FURTHER WILL HAPPEN UNTIL I PRESS H PRESS THE RESET BUTTON WHEN I AGAIN
RECIEVE THE OS9 BOOT  MESSAGE. AFTER 8 TO 27 ATTEMPTS, THE GAME WILL LOAD AND
OPERATE. ONLY ONCE IN AWHILE WILL IT FREEZE WHILE THE SIMULATION IS RUNNING. IS
THERE ANY CURE???

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#: 6086 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  04:58:42
Sb: #6029-CART INTERRUP
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: CHUCK OSTERBY 73766,374

Chuck -

Flight Sim shouldn't be affected by the CART IRQ stuff. It uses internally
generated (software) interrupts instead.

I take it that you're booting from their stock straight-to-game disk?

If so, it sounds perhaps more like a disk drive alignment or read problem, to
me. Is there a friend close by whose system you could try it on?  Many of us
have really old disk drives nowadays, and they get weak over time (and out of
wack).

Try cleaning up the disk controller contacts, multipak contacts, anywhere you
have a cable or plugin. If that doesn't work then I'd try to test it with
another drive (perhaps take your 512K coco down to a RS store).

Keep us informed as to your progress. Luck! - Kev

#: 6031 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  14:12:53
Sb: #UG and PLAN9!
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
To: darling

Kev - two things. Could you make the UG aware of the APL files I have uploaded,
and indeed give them a copy if necessary. (APLRTS.AR APLSRC.AR in dl3? and
VT220FNT.AR in dl6). Second gues what? The latest and greatest operating system
out of BELL LABS by Thompsone,

Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan etc is called ...... PLAN 9!!!

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#: 6077 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  00:39:22
Sb: #6031-UG and PLAN9!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X)

Greg - Sounds good!  The UG will still need one of those signed forms, tho.
Apparently it has been necessary at least once in the distant past to prove
that a submittal was PD, so we can't get around it.

Reminds me to start a push for everyone here (me too - sheepish grin) to send
their work to the UG librarian so we can get help and programs out to the
electronically unconnected people.

Plan 9?!!!  Really?  They can't do that! <grin>  That's our own secret
operation.  Any word on its features?  thx! - kev

PS: you still using that gfx board you sent me docs on waaay back when? Might
as well port my windows to it, too, eh?

#: 6033 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  15:38:11
Sb: #/nil driver
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: all

Where might I find the /nil driver and descriptor?  Is there a copy of it
somewhere on CIS??
  Thanks... Dan

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#: 6047 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:48:55
Sb: #6033-#/nil driver
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)

Dan - I'm about to post one, if there's not one already. Standby.

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#: 6062 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  20:30:16
Sb: #6047-/nil driver
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks, Kev, for your posting of the /nil driver.

#: 6034 S6/Applications
    12-Aug-90  16:50:39
Sb: #ue and termcap
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
To:  76703,4230 (X)

Pete - I have tried to run the new ue uploaded recently. If i have a file
called "ttytype" in my /dd/sys ue runs but does not display or handle keyboard
correctly. If i rename the file ttytypes it tells me "unknown tty line!" the
contents of the file (in either case) is: term vt52 t1 vt52 What do you
suggest?

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#: 6090 S6/Applications
    13-Aug-90  08:11:55
Sb: #6034-ue and termcap
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X)

Greg -

The /dd/sys/ttytype file should be in the format:

 /Term vt100
 /T1   wyse50
 /t3   coco3
 ...etc...

No leading spaces, either. Also - do you have a termcap file in /dd/sys, and
does it have a matching terminal entry for a vt52? Pete

#: 6037 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  17:06:12
Sb: #5859-OSK'er celebrity!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Wayne Day 76703,376 (X)

That's the truth!  We've also often commented about how lovely the wives and
girlfriends of OS9 users are... gotta be something about this OS <grin>!

#: 6038 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  17:10:29
Sb: #5862-OSK'er celebrity!
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723

Heh-heh.  A coupla people called me up afterwards, and said "Yep, sounds just
like you on the phone".  Change [omitted] to [expletive deleted] a la Nixon,
and you'll see.  That's what comes from being a Staff Sergeant in the Army at
one time <grin>.  Ah me.

I'd thought that Scott would just print a couple of paragraphs distilled... had
no idea most (but not all... as he said, about 30minutes were lost on his tape
at the end) would go in.  Otherwise, yes, I would've spoken more uhhhhh
carefully <hehe>.

#: 6040 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:22:11
Sb: #5889-#MV and Eliminator
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)

Thx for reminder. Just got back from a week-long trip around the country. I'll
be sure to ask Kent Meyers what the deal is with GPort.

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#: 6070 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:08:58
Sb: #6040-MV and Eliminator
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks I am real curious about that. JS

#: 6041 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:26:19
Sb: #5893-New gfx2
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042

Thanks Wayne!  You meant grfdrv, not gfx2, yah?  Grfdrv had some orphan
(unused) code left in it where they obviously meant to speed up horizontal line
draws by setting entire bytes (instead of just pixels which could be half bytes
or even single bits in 2-color mode, right?) whenever possible... like on a
longer line run.  All I did was, well, throw out their stuff and write my own
version of what they had intended to do <grin>.

Vertical lines always set the same bit positions within a byte, and so were
already inherently as fast as they could go. If that makes sense ;-)

#: 6042 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:28:59
Sb: #5906-#NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X)

Hugo - I would've thought that there was a Nil driver in the libs here... but
maybe not. Seems like someone else asked the same thing not long ago. I believe
(could be wrong) that the original Rainbow Guide had one. Or was that Dibble's
OS9 Notes? Hmmm. Anyway, lemme rummage around.

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#: 6049 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:57:19
Sb: #6042-NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

The reason I asked for /NIL and NILDRV was that a friend was having trouble
with his. He was using the Level I version and thought it wasn't compatible
with Level II. It turns out the 2 versions are exactly the same. So his
problems seem to stem from the BLOB. He has reaaranged his bootlist, and so far
things are OK.


Hugo

#: 6053 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  19:29:40
Sb: #6042-NIL & NILDRV
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

I got my nil device and driver with the Dev Pack. But surely something as us
useful and commonly needed as these something could be made available to the
PD.

Zack

ps, Welcome back!

#: 6043 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:36:09
Sb: #5953-#Windint
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)

Hi Phil - It may be a problem in cc3io, where it chooses windows. I'll try to
take a look... I think others have mentioned similar troubles. Methinks that a
different Select sequence in the program fixes it. back later.

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#: 6103 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  19:52:35
Sb: #6043-Windint
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks a bunch Kev--Your new GFX2 is great and I really want to utilize it.
I'll be looking forward to your findings.

#: 6044 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  17:39:25
Sb: #5962-#Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: steve Crump 71550,3115 (X)

Hey Steve -  maybe there's a mistake in using syscall? (you know, stuff we all
do like using the wrong number for a statcall?)  Can you email or post here a
sample of the call where you get an error? Which F$xxx gives it to you?

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#: 6095 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  12:30:53
Sb: #6044-#Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: steve Crump 71550,3115
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,
  You are right. Stupid little error. I was attempting to write my
  BASIC09 code more like C-Code so I made the following declaration:

  F_AllRam=$39

  I forgot BASIC09 assumes all Un-Dimensionalized varaibles as REAL.
  So I passed syscall a real when it wanted an Integer or Byte.
  It just grabbed the first two byte of the floating point number
  which must have contain a nonexistant System Call number.

  That does lead me to another question though, is there a way to
  relatively easily convert floating point reals to longs (4 byte
  integers) or integers in an ML program.  I understand some about
  floating point numbers but not enougherstand how to convert
  between the two.  I wish the Poel RMA Library had included some
  floating point number routines.

  Steve Crump
  [71550,3115]



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#: 6100 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  15:56:37
Sb: #6095-Privledges in BASIC09
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: steve Crump 71550,3115

Steve - yah, I do that all the time myself.  Whenever a basic09/syscall program
doesn't work for me, I first go back and check to make sure I wasn't passing a
path number as a real, or an Integer to a Byte var, etc.

I don't know of any float->int/long stuff around.  To a 2-byte Int I just let
Basic09 do it (Ints are 4 bytes under Basic/68K).  I'll ask around, tho.
 kev

#: 6045 S3/Languages
    12-Aug-90  17:42:43
Sb: #5948-#Password functions
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

> Apparently something is not getting reset in endpwent() ???

That is exactly the problem.  Do you want the patch, fixed source, or a fixed
library?  I think Pete added some stuff and put it up here after my last
release.  I don't find any sources for that and my memory is really rusty on
it, but I didn't want to drop a new library up here without being sure.

Carl

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#: 6068 S3/Languages
    12-Aug-90  22:05:01
Sb: #6045-#Password functions
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

Carl,

Sheeesh, I dunno.  I'm not sure what Pete did with the sources.  I volunteered
to keep them.  I guess the best thing to do is get Pete in on this and see
where we stand.  Pete????

One thought, can you make an Ipatch file and upload that?  This way everyone
will be able to get the patch with minimal effort.

Mark

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#: 6094 S3/Languages
    13-Aug-90  12:16:46
Sb: #6068-Password functions
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

Mark/Carl -

I have backups of the sources (which I cannot read until the MM/1 arrives), and
I have Carl's original disks as well.

I think the concept of patch files for the library may be best.

Pete

#: 6085 S3/Languages
    13-Aug-90  04:34:40
Sb: #6045-Password functions
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Carl Kreider 71076,76

Hi Carl!

I don't know the history, but I'd suggest a new library (maybe patches for
those whoe don't want to download a new file).

Just my $.02.

Ed

#: 6051 S1/General Interest
    12-Aug-90  19:24:45
Sb: #Video DAC
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

BTW Kev, Have you seen the Edson Video DAC technology. If Not you should Its
one of the most impressive devices I have seen in a long time.

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#: 6078 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  00:40:24
Sb: #6051-#Video DAC
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)

No sir, sure haven't.  What's the video DAC stuff special about?

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#: 6089 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  07:26:35
Sb: #6078-#Video DAC
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

This device does not use a color look up table. It has an on chip DSP that can
taylor the color signal into a wated function. This give the apperence of 4
times the resolution. It anti-alising characteristics are unreal. And its not
expensive either.

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#: 6099 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  15:51:32
Sb: #6089-#Video DAC
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)

Wild!  So are pixels still presented to it in the normal manner from video
memory?  But the output can be set to smoothly go between colors, if wished,
etc?  How inexpensive is it?   Thanks for keeping us up to date on stuff!

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#: 6102 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  19:06:37
Sb: #6099-#Video DAC
Fm: Mark S 76004,373
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

The Data in memory is modified to look up a different pixel type depending what
is on either side of it. But you build that into the mappng routine itself. The
DAC has what amounts to 750,000 colors due to the effect. Its about a $50 in
small quanites. If you dont turn this mode on it acts just like a standard DAC.
But if your building a windowing system you build the tranlation for the DAC
into in and your set. Its going to eat about 10% of your cycles to do it but
thats cheep compaired to other anti-alising techniques.

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#: 6104 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  20:28:04
Sb: #6102-Video DAC
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Mark S 76004,373

Fascinating. Sounds like a variation of the amiga HAM or the cd-i DYUV, in some
respects. I'll send off for the docs. Thx again!  The new machines all have
palette expansion headers, so this stuff could be used.

#: 6054 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  19:34:40
Sb: Fractals
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL

Anyone interested in Fractals should check out my latest uploads, zoom.ar,
zoom1.ar, and zoom2.ar in DL10.

Zack

#: 6057 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    12-Aug-90  19:41:44
Sb: #5976-TOP - Munich Release 2.0
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Ed,

FYI, while the sysops don't mind a request to delete a file, you can request
that a file be deleted (if you uploaded it!) by typing ERA at the library
"Disposition !" prompt. In most forums the sysops will ask you to make sure you
really want to delete a file.

Also, if you upload a file with the same name, the system will delete the
original file when the sysop enables the new file. You can also update the
keywords and description by typing CHA at the "Disposition !" prompt.
Unfortunately you can't rename a file, but a sysop can. (You may have known all
this already, but it might help someone else.)

Bill

#: 6061 S10/Tandy CoCo
    12-Aug-90  20:03:46
Sb: Member.AR
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: All

  I have just re-uploaded Members.AR to DL10.

  The original Memberdir program only allocated the default of 32 chars for the
Name and PPN and I have since found out that this is not quite long enough for
those I.D.'s that include 'titles' in them.

  If you don't wish to re-download the whole thing, this bug may be corrected
by changing the 2 DIM statements that contain "name$" and name_array() to
STRING[40] from just STRING and re-'pack'ing.

  At the same time, Tele.B09 has been enhanced to allow passing it an input
parameter to search for.

  ...Jim

#: 6074 S15/Hot Topics
    13-Aug-90  00:32:43
Sb: #5869-#CoCo/OSK Basic(09)
Fm: Kevin Pease 70516,1633
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

 Ed as soon as I get a chance I will upload the executable to you. As a side
note I got the MM/1 with fast memory to run 1050 drystones/sec which is real
close to what the PT68K at 12.5 mhz ran.

 Kevin Pease



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#: 6081 S15/Hot Topics
    13-Aug-90  04:27:12
Sb: #6074-CoCo/OSK Basic(09)
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Kevin Pease 70516,1633

Sounds real good - Now we need Frank to run the test on his machine.

I'll await your upload.

Ed

#: 6075 S1/General Interest
    13-Aug-90  00:38:44
Sb: #5921-I'm a new member
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: TOSHIAKI MATSUO 74060,2030

Greetings!  Welcome to the forum. We are very interested in the Japanese OS-9
community.

What kind of computers do you own?  Is OS-9 used in your work?

We look forward to hearing from you again.  best - Kevin

#: 6076 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  00:39:05
Sb: #5916-#Basic09 Windows
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)

Floyd - you were simply giving too many parameters... a dwset to the same
screen does not take a border color parameter (only the original window needs
this). So try:

 PROCEDURE W3test
 DIM uleft,uright:BYTE
 RUN gfx2("dwend")
 RUN gfx2(1,"dwset",8,0,12,40,12,0,2,2)
 RUN gfx2(1,"select")
 OPEN #uleft,"/w"
 OPEN #uright,"/w"
 RUN gfx2(uleft,"dwset",0,0,0,20,12,2,0)
 RUN gfx2(uright,"dwset",0,20,0,20,12,2,0)
 PRINT #uleft,"Upper Left"
 PRINT #uright,"Upper Right"

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#: 6097 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:47:06
Sb: #6076-Basic09 Windows
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)

Oh!  Thanks.  It probably says that in the manual somewhere, doesn't it?  By
the way, whatever happened with the OS9 version of Kyum Gai?

Floyd

#: 6079 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  02:14:25
Sb: #5923-help
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
To: Gilles Conte 73357,1103 (X)

Gilles -

I think most people use Bob Santy's modified CC3Disk driver module. To make it
from a stock L-II cc3disk, you'll need:

 Lib 10  -  PATCH.AR   (the IPatch command)
            CC3DIS.AR

To use that new driver to read/write PC disks, get:

 Lib 10  -  PCDOS.AR
 Lib  9  -  DMODE.AR   (you may already have this)

And to dearc at least the older arc'd PC files use:

 Lib  9  - DEARC.BIN

Yell if need help or have Q's. - kev

#: 6080 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  02:22:23
Sb: #5972-RS Catalog for 1991
Fm: mike wafkowski 72245,126
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)

It's not in the '91 computer catalog--<MW>

#: 6091 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Aug-90  09:57:55
Sb: #5973-We're in Beta!
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I could - have to ask about just how much I could say. I'll see what my boss
says.

#: 6092 S7/Telecommunications
    13-Aug-90  10:04:19
Sb: #5975-MUYX BOX
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X)

Greg,
 If you work for AT&T in a Digital Central Office, you'll be getting one within
the next year (like it or not). It replaces the "DCO-PNI" and is called "RAPP".
 If not, you'll never see one unless you purchase AT&T DACS frames and your
company arranges to have them and their facilities supported by the AT&T
Network Operations. It's not something we plan to sell, but will be used
internally only. There will be a total of about 300 made.
 FWIW, we passed our soak in the testing lab this past week and go to Beta in
the White Plains, NY Digital Central Office tomorrow (tuesday).
 Mark

#: 6098 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  14:50:54
Sb: #Decimal to Hex
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
To: All

What is the easiest way to convert decimal numbers to hex in Basic09?  I know
that PRINT USING will do that but I need the result in a variable (string, of
course).  So how do I do it?

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#: 6101 S10/Tandy CoCo
    13-Aug-90  17:06:18
Sb: #6098-Decimal to Hex
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572

Floyd  -

The simplest way is to write a subroutine that divides by hex column weights:
4096, 256, 16, and 1 (using that order, and only using the remainder of the
previous operation).

Pete

#: 6106 S3/Languages
    13-Aug-90  21:14:11
Sb: #F$CpyMem Question
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
To: ALL

I'm trying to use an F$CpyMem _os9() call in C. Only problem is, how do I load
Reg D from a char pointer when all I have is rg_a and rg_b to work with?

Zack

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#: 6108 S3/Languages
    13-Aug-90  21:31:09
Sb: #6106-F$CpyMem Question
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524

Depends on how they're laid out in memory--though actually, that's only true if
you do something rather sleazy.  The non-sleazy way is to recall that A is the
most significant byte of D, B the least significant (do me a favor and don't
tell Ms. Methvin that I didn't say "more significant" and "less significant"
even though only two things were being compared, OK? <grin>), so if you cast
your char * to an int, do something like

regs.rg_a = ((int) cp) >> 8; regs.rg_b = ((int) cp) & 0xff;

to get what you're after.

#: 6109 S3/Languages
    13-Aug-90  22:29:21
Sb: #6106-F$CpyMem Question
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524

Zack -

Not sure I understand the question, but what about:

   rg_d = rg_a << 8 | rg_b;

Pete

#: 6110 S7/Telecommunications
    13-Aug-90  22:32:46
Sb: RAPP
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
To:  74030,332

mark - I dont work for AT&T. My telco is a canadian one. we do however have 2
or 3 AT&T DACS's (DACS II's with ver 3 of the s/w I doubt however that from
what you have said we would be buying a "RAPP", but should i ask my AT&T
salesman about it? - Greg

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