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91672 4-FEB 22:13  General Information
     RE: problem with environment (Re: Msg 91658)
     From: WA2EGP       To: MRGOOD

Hmmmmm.......maybe you deleted it from the list.  Or maybe it just didn't
pick it up.  Strange indeed.

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91675 5-FEB 08:31  General Information
     RE: problem with environment (Re: Msg 91670)
     From: MRGOOD       To: JEJONES

There's a stdfonts module in the BOOTMODS/WIN directory.  Thats's the one
I had left out.  I thought I was loading my fonts from the STartup file
and that the STDFONTS modules in BOOTMODS/WIN was something else.

Hugo

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91681 5-FEB 13:54  General Information
     RE: problem with environment (Re: Msg 91675)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: MRGOOD

   Hugo,

   I don't know if this will help you but, I don't have `stdfonts'
in my bootfile, or any fonts in the boot.  I have a script file
in my root called `merge_fonts' that is called from my startup
file.  This is all it is:

   Merge sys/stdfont_01.fnt
   Merge sys/stdfont_02.fnt
   Merge sys/stdfont_03.fnt
   Merge sys/stdfont_04.fnt
   Merge sys/stdpats_16
   Merge sys/stdpats_256
   Merge sys/stdptrs_16
   Merge sys/stdptrs_256
   Merge sys/stdbrshs_16
   Merge sys/stdbrshs_256
   Merge sys/vfonts/cursive.vfont
   Merge sys/vfonts/fancy.vfont
   Merge sys/vfonts/gothic.vfont

   The vfonts stuff is from Mike Haaland's Paint program that I
bought way back when ...

   Hope this helps.

--
   John -  < Posted with Ved 2.3.1  &  InfoXpress 1.2.0 >

I am Pentium of Borg.  You will be approximated.
Resistance is more or less futile.


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91673 4-FEB 23:56  General Information
     RE: CDi (Re: Msg 91651)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: SAUSAGESAM

Go to the Internet services section of Delphi, select "FTP". Read up
a little on how to operate it ( I you need to).  Then use FTP to log
onto CHESTNUT.CS.WISC.EDU  If I recall correctly, you then change to
the public directory.  Take a look!

Allen

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91674 5-FEB 05:19  Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91666)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DBREEDING

Try a SprintNet line!!! in your area!    14.4K  <Zippppp> I
found one close to me! Now I,m Cookin! at 14.4K + <grin>  beats
Tymnet any day! and at NO extra Cost!.....Dennis

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91699 7-FEB 21:00  Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91674)
     From: DBREEDING    To: COCOKIWI

 > Try a SprintNet line!!! in your area!    14.4K  <Zippppp> I
 > found one close to me! Now I,m Cookin! at 14.4K + <grin>  beats
 > Tymnet any day! and at NO extra Cost!...

I'll give it a shot.. Whatever I use, it'll be long distance.. I don't
have anything for the services that's local.  Haf'ta shop around as much
as I can.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91700 7-FEB 23:32  Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91699)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DBREEDING

good luck! it was not that long ago I had the same problem with
Sprintnet,I would have had to go to Oakland to get in! Reason I
was on Tymnet so long!
talk about out dated! Grin!
Dennis

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91706 8-FEB 08:41  Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91666)
     From: BILLDICKHAUS To: DBREEDING

 > The OSK version I got is really great.  Most everything looks really
 > familiar, with a _few_ cosmetic changes.  The speed increase is really
 > fantastic.  When changing forums, it's so fast, sometimes I don't realize
 > it's done it.. kinda seems it ain't doing something <G>.

Part of that is the speed of the machine, and part of that is version 1.2,
there were a couple of areas I worked on to speed things up.

 > BTW, I think I asked you in mail, but can you or anyone tell me if
 > there's a surcharge for using the faster Tymnet nodes?  I think I can
 > access a 9600 node in my desired calling range.

They warn you of a possible future surcharge, but I've been using 9600
Tymnet almost exclusively for the last several years, with no additional
charges.

-Bill-

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91708 9-FEB 00:02  Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91706)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: BILLDICKHAUS

They changed that so called surcharge to NO charge not long ago!
if you have Sprintnet in your area you zippp at 14.4k baud  rather than the
OLD 9600 mode on tymnet<grin>...Sprint uses Fibre optics for their lines,I
think Tymnet is still in the dark ages! I just switched to Sprintnet....
and am NOW in 14.4k mode!<grin>
Dennis

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91731 11-FEB 20:39 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91700)
     From: DBREEDING    To: COCOKIWI

 > good luck! it was not that long ago I had the same problem with
 > Sprintnet,I would have had to go to Oakland to get in! Reason I
 > was on Tymnet so long!
 > talk about out dated! Grin!

I live in So. Central KY.. I've found that I can call within my dialing
LATA cheaper than anywhere else.. I'd been calling out-of-state for a long
time, thinking out-of-state calls were the cheapest.. Here, at least,
the most expensive calls are in-state if your long distance carrier
handles them.. Next is out-of-state calls, but the in-LATA calls are
close to half the cost.  Still not cheap enough to do a whole lot of
on-line browsing, but every little bit helps, I suppose.

                         -- David Breeding --
   CompuServe : 72330,2051                  Delphi :  DBREEDING

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91732 11-FEB 20:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91706)
     From: DBREEDING    To: BILLDICKHAUS

RE: The speed of ix/OSK
 > Part of that is the speed of the machine, and part of that is version
 > 1.2, there were a couple of areas I worked on to speed things up.

Well, of course _most_ of the speed increase definitely is due to the
machine..  When the coco got over about 75 msgs, it got to taking a
pretty appreciable time.. Now, with OSK, with my msg base building up..
(can't see now what the size is, probably about 75), but it seems more
like a little stumble <G>.

 > > there's a surcharge for using the faster Tymnet nodes?  I think I can
 > > access a 9600 node in my desired calling range.
 >
 > They warn you of a possible future surcharge, but I've been using 9600
 > Tymnet almost exclusively for the last several years, with no additional
 > charges.

Thanks.. I've already gone and put a 9600 node in for my NetWork1.  That
really makes a difference.  After getting used to the faster rate,
9600 and 14.4,  2400 seems incredibly slow.. It was just a few years ago
that we thought we were in Turbo with that speed <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
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91733 11-FEB 20:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91708)
     From: DBREEDING    To: COCOKIWI

 > if you have Sprintnet in your area you zippp at 14.4k baud  rather than

I think I saw a 14.4 node listed in the same city the tymnet node is in..
maybe I ought to put that one at the top of the list in my configuration
file..


                         -- David Breeding --
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91737 12-FEB 00:27 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91731)
     From: GREGL        To: DBREEDING

Which part of Kentucky are you in, David? I'm in Louisville in the north
central part of the state. I don't get out to travel much, but I like to
visit some of the hamfests around the area. I think the farthest south Ive
been so far has been to Glasgow/Bowling Green for the hamfest there last
year.

        -- Greg

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91743 12-FEB 09:40 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91732)
     From: JEJONES      To: DBREEDING

 > RE: The speed of ix/OSK
 > > Part of that is the speed of the machine, and part of that is version
 > > 1.2, there were a couple of areas I worked on to speed things up.
 >
 > Well, of course _most_ of the speed increase definitely is due to the
 > machine..  When the coco got over about 75 msgs, it got to taking a
 > pretty appreciable time.. Now, with OSK, with my msg base building up..
 > (can't see now what the size is, probably about 75), but it seems more
 > like a little stumble <G>.

Well...the major hit is when you decide "yeah, I think I'll add that
SIG to my list" and get a WHOLE LOT of messages.  When I got on CF 63,
there were 12K messages; that will show up a slower-than-O(n) algorithm
pretty quickly. :-)  Aside from pathological cases like that, though,
I've never had any speed problems with ix on my MM/1.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91748 12-FEB 12:51 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91708)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI

Am I right in saying that you are NOT using 14.4k on a CoCo3?

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= GEN =-

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91755 13-FEB 01:00 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91748)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: 01GEN40 (NR)

NOT.....<clone><argggg> I do not have a modem for my CoCo-3 right now,since
it went .along with LOTs of other things,when the house was robbed last July
4th..weekend.........I wish!.....I now use Internav and my 486DX-2..66 meg
Dennis

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91760 13-FEB 01:19 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91737)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL

 > Which part of Kentucky are you in, David? I'm in Louisville in the north
 > central part of the state. I don't get out to travel much, but I like to
 > visit some of the hamfests around the area. I think the farthest south
 > Ive been so far has been to Glasgow/Bowling Green for the hamfest there
 > last year.

I knew you lived in Louisville but had forgotten.. I live in Russell Springs,
in Russell Co.  Lake Cumberland is on the southern border of the Co.

I attend some hamfests, don't have a radio, but go with some friends to
see the computer stuff.

I'll probably go to the one in Cave City.  Have you ever gone to that one
(in Mar I think) (might be the one you are speaking about).  If we
both go, maybe we can meet up there.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91761 13-FEB 01:20 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91743)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JEJONES

 > RE: The speed of ix/OSK

 > Well...the major hit is when you decide "yeah, I think I'll add that
 > SIG to my list" and get a WHOLE LOT of messages.  When I got on CF 63,
 > there were 12K messages; that will show up a slower-than-O(n) algorithm
 > pretty quickly. :-)  Aside from pathological cases like that, though,
 > I've never had any speed problems with ix on my MM/1.

Right (what I was referring to was the speed of accessing the message file
when you go to read - I guess you were, too..)  yes, the speed is pretty
fantastic.. As I mentioned, with a small base, it doesn't even seem to
take time.. Once or twice, when it changed forums, I didn't even realize
it _had_ changed, but on the coco, you knew it each time <G>.  With
a larger base, all I've noticed was only a very tiny pause while processing
them.  Of course, I'm sure it's a good idea to zap non-useful files,
especially the "OK, I'll do that" ones.  As a matter of fact, I've had
ix/OSK for a couple weeks now, and haven't even reorg'ed them yet, haven't
really needed to, but will probably soon.. might help keep disk fragmentation
down.

                         -- David Breeding --
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91764 14-FEB 03:51 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91760)
     From: GREGL        To: DBREEDING

Yeah, I'll probably go to the Cave City hamfest this year. Right now I'm
waiting for my tax return to arrive in the mail so I can purchase an HF rig.
I doubt it'll be here by the Cave City hamfest, but I want to go anyway to
get an idea of what's available in the used market. I went last year and had
a pretty good time. I also usually go to the Elizabethtown, Frankfort and
Louisville hamfests as well. By the way, the Louisville hamfest will be at
the Kentucky Fair and Expo Center this year (October 14 and 15 I think).

You oughta consider getting your license because it is a lot of fun and you
don't have to learn Morse Code to use VHF and up.

        -- Greg

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91772 14-FEB 23:42 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91755)
     From: ISC          To: COCOKIWI

> NOT.....<clone><argggg> I do not have a modem for my CoCo-3 right now,since
> it went .along with LOTs of other things,when the house was robbed last July
> 4th..weekend.........I wish!.....I now use Internav and my 486DX-2..66 meg
> Dennis
>
Dennis,

How do you read sigs when you use Internav as an OLR?

Bill

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91783 16-FEB 03:58 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91772)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ISC

 Just as one normaly do!....You drop into a window when writing
a post that is a wrap around editor...it is activated
automaticly...Nice....although one has to get out of the <Ctl-X
> at the end,since there is a <Mouse box> you hit to send the
message into the system! <grin>   I like it!
See you!....Dennis

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91794 18-FEB 00:11 Telecom (6809)
     RE: infoexpress? (Re: Msg 91764)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL (NR)

 > Yeah, I'll probably go to the Cave City hamfest this year. Right now I'm

Great!  Maybe our paths will cross if I go.. I have a friend with whom
I go.. well, actually there are a couple who go.. can't remember their
call #'s now.

 > I went last
 > year and had a pretty good time.

From what they tell me, CC is one of the better ones.. I can't say, haven't
been to many.. think I went to Frankfort once.

 > You oughta consider getting your license because it is a lot of fun and
 > you don't have to learn Morse Code to use VHF and up.

My friends have been hard after me to do so, but I don't know when I'd
find time to fool with it if I got into it.. This computer dominates my
time (G), but maybe..

I think I'd prefer to go ahead and get the code license..  I think many of
the hams kinda look down upon the no-coders.  I've also been told that
communicating in code is one of the finer aspects of the thing.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91676 5-FEB 12:29  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91606)
     From: 01GEN40      To: RANDYKWILSON

Yes, but how can people use them or know that they exist if not
in a menu for selection.  When I first subscribed to Delphi, I
knew next to nothing.  Even though I have gained a sertain amount
of ability using Delphi I still do not use it 100% and I probably
never will.  And, now I am finding hidden jewels, by mis-keying a
menu selection.  What other wonders can I discover, I ask myself.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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91677 5-FEB 12:36  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91608)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DBREEDING

What?  They have schools for typing? :-)  I tried to take typing in
high school but my father told me it was "for girls" and made me
drop it and take something else.  I am still "virtually" kicking
his butt for that!  I wonder what he would have done if I would
have taken Home Economics, which, back in the 60s WAS "for girls".

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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91682 5-FEB 14:51  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91677)
     From: MITHELEN     To: 01GEN40

Maybe that is what the Delphi Companion Book is for? To tell you about all
those "hidden" commands...
--
Paul

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91683 5-FEB 19:20  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91677)
     From: JEJONES      To: 01GEN40

 > What?  They have schools for typing? :-)  I tried to take typing in
 > high school but my father told me it was "for girls" and made me
 > drop it and take something else.

Believe me, whenever I use the computer, I'm grateful for having taken
typing in high school.  <enter politically incorrect mode>  Besides,
the gender distribution of the class was one of its best features.
<exit politically incorrect mode>

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91688 5-FEB 20:43  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91677)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: 01GEN40

THE problem with that! Was in HIS time ONLY girls typed<no
computers then> BUT! if you was in the Armed forces,you would
have had to learn fast!
<Grin>...times Change!   I did,nt either!<shee.
Dennis

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91689 6-FEB 03:34  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91676)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: 01GEN40

 > Yes, but how can people use them or know that they exist if not
 > in a menu for selection.  When I first subscribed to Delphi, I
 > knew next to nothing.  Even though I have gained a sertain amount
 > of ability using Delphi I still do not use it 100% and I probably
 > never will.  And, now I am finding hidden jewels, by mis-keying a
 > menu selection.  What other wonders can I discover, I ask myself.

     Yea, like Delphi's built-in diary program. :) Zend was never meant to
be used by anyone but Delphi's Service Staff but I assume most users know
about it now. Delphi has alot of nice stuff, sometimes I forget what a
scramble freak I used to be. Or how I used to hang out in main conf. all
the time. Now mostly IX sees more online time than I do. :) (I can never
seem to catch those conferances)


        Dave

P.S. Just about every SIG and CF has it's own internet or usenet gopher. Now
if there were only a better way to read lists! Check out the gopher in the
OS9 SIG.

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91690 6-FEB 03:34  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91682)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: MITHELEN

 > Maybe that is what the Delphi Companion Book is for? To tell you about
 > all those "hidden" commands...

     I haven't heard about this book, where can I get it?


       Dave


Oh, and how current is it?


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91691 6-FEB 20:25  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91690)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DIGIGRADE

I'm not sure of the exact name of the book, but I'm pretty sure there is
some kind of printed guide available... You'd have to contact Delphi
to get further info...

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91693 6-FEB 23:45  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91677)
     From: GREGL        To: 01GEN40

Typing definitely isn't just for girls, particularly in this day and age
of computers. I'm very glad I took a year of typing in high school and almost
wish I had taken two years of it. Definitely a very wise decision on my part.

        -- Greg

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91698 7-FEB 20:59  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91677)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40

 > What?  They have schools for typing? :-)  I tried to take typing in
 > high school but my father told me it was "for girls" and made me
 > drop it and take something else.
I _did_ take typing in High School, mostly 'cause the typing teacher wak
really cute...  Never did get very good at typing.

 > I wonder what he would have done if I would
 > have taken Home Economics, which, back in the 60s WAS "for girls".

Worse yet, what would your buddies have said... ;-)...  My homeroom was
in one of the typing classrooms for a year or so.  That was as close as
I wanted to get to cooking, but, now, sometimes it would come in handy.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91702 7-FEB 23:43  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91698)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DBREEDING

HA!HA!   The smell of BURNT Toast<Home cooking>   Grin!
Dennis

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91703 8-FEB 01:27  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91691)
     From: ISC          To: MITHELEN

> I'm not sure of the exact name of the book, but I'm pretty sure there is
> some kind of printed guide available... You'd have to contact Delphi
> to get further info...
>
Dig,

The title of the book is Delphi, The Official Guide by Michael A. Banks.  The
publisher is General Videotex Corporation.  My issue has a 1990 copyright
notice, but perhaps there is a new revision.  It is available through your
library as ISBN # 0-9625623-0-0. <grin>


Bill

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91704 8-FEB 02:56  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91698)
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: DBREEDING

 > > What?  They have schools for typing? :-)  I tried to take typing in
 > > high school but my father told me it was "for girls" and made me
 > > drop it and take something else.
 > I _did_ take typing in High School, mostly 'cause the typing teacher wak
 > really cute...  Never did get very good at typing.
 >
 > > I wonder what he would have done if I would
 > > have taken Home Economics, which, back in the 60s WAS "for girls".
 >
 > Worse yet, what would your buddies have said... ;-)...  My homeroom was
 > in one of the typing classrooms for a year or so.  That was as close as
 > I wanted to get to cooking, but, now, sometimes it would come in handy.

     I took Home Ec. in middle school: sewing, cooking, etc. and then in
HS (mostly cooking and nutrition, boy did she get me scared about bacteria).
I enjoyed Home Ec. but REALLY HATED typing. We learned on typewrighters and
the chackchackchackchack CH-ZING! CH-ZING! going on in the room made it hard
to concentrate. I couldn't use home row and type fast. I flunked it but
pleaded with my teacher that I needed a C to go on to office systems and she
let me go on. Mostly I cheated my way through office systems too (thanks Joel)
:).

     If my mom would have let me use the oven I might actually know how to
cook today! <g>


       Dave



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91705 8-FEB 05:02  General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91683)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: JEJONES

James,

 > typing in high school.  <enter politically incorrect mode>  Besides,
 > the gender distribution of the class was one of its best features.
 > <exit politically incorrect mode>

Now there's motivation!  ;)  I have to agree... and you learn how to
type without watching the keys...

  -- Joel.


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91721 11-FEB 01:46 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91683)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JEJONES

 > ...whenever I use the computer, I'm grateful for having taken
 > typing in high school.   Besides,
 > the gender distribution of the class was one of its best features.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What? You too...      ;-)

You know.. thinking back.. why _didn't_ I take home ec?



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91722 11-FEB 01:46 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91693)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL

 > Typing definitely isn't just for girls, particularly in this day and age
 > of computers.

Seriously, you are most correct.. Typing now, for almost anyone, is, if
not a necessity, definitely an asset.  I'm by no means a good typist, but
if I had no concept of the basics, would have a much harder time at the
keyboard.  I also appreciate what ability in this I do have.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91729 11-FEB 20:39 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91704)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DIGIGRADE

 > > Worse yet, what would your buddies have said... ;-)...  My homeroom
 > was > in one of the typing classrooms for a year or so.  That was as close
 > as > I wanted to get to cooking,

FWIW.. my homeroom was in a home ec classroom, not a typing classroom.. one
of _my_ typos <G>

 > bacteria). I enjoyed Home Ec. but REALLY HATED typing. We learned on
 > typewrighters and the chackchackchackchack CH-ZING! CH-ZING! going on in
 > the room made it hard to concentrate. I couldn't use home row and type
 > fast.

I never got too good at typing.. can't remember what I got, probably about
a "C"..  been a looong time <G>  It does help out, though now.

 > If my mom would have let me use the oven I might actually know how
 > to cook today! <g>

Cooking _does_ come in handy.. I never really learned to cook, but now
I have to cook some.. Sloppy Joe's and Hamburger helper do get old
after a while <g>


                         -- David Breeding --
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91730 11-FEB 20:39 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91705)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JOELHEGBERG

 > > the gender distribution of the class was one of its best features.
 > > <exit politically incorrect mode>
 >
 > Now there's motivation!  ;)  I have to agree... and you learn how to
 > type without watching the keys...

Hey! I never thought of that.. so there _was_ a plan behind it all <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
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91735 12-FEB 00:16 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91722)
     From: GREGL        To: DBREEDING

It may not be a necessity for all jobs, but it is a necessity for many of
them. Lots of job advertisements quote requirements along the lines of
experience with WordPerfect, Lotus 1-2-3, Word for Windows, accounting
packages, etc. And that ultimately means typing perience. And these aren't
just "secretarial" jobs either. As I said before, taking a year of typing was
definitely one of the best decisions I've made. I think I was typing at
roughly 30 or so wpm and have progressed to 60 wpm and better over the years.
It seems to depend on my mood and the typing tutor I'm using. Most of the
time I seem to be at about 60 wpm but have hit peeks of 80 to 90 wpm. Grrr,
I still have problems with the numbers though.

        -- Greg

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91736 12-FEB 00:23 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91729)
     From: GREGL        To: DBREEDING

Funny you should mention that. I did a little cooking in school, but about

all I could do was burnt-to-a-char-broiled-crisp whatever. :-) Funny what
you learn by necessity. Being a single bachelor all these years, I used to
eat out a lot. On the other hand, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, et. get
old real quick. Needless to say, cooking for one isn't very easy either so
I've learned to eat lots of left-overs. I make a pot of chili or spaghetti
or whatever and typically eat it for a week. On the other hand, that means
I have to cook once a week and it cuts down on washing dishes. I have yet
to try my hand at anything "fancy." My chili, for example, consists of 2.5
pounds of ground beef, two cans of diced tomatos, two cans of chili or kidney
beans, and two packages of chili mix.Brown ground beef, throw in pot, mix,
heat, serve. I can even do it with one hand tied behind my back or talking
on the phone. :-)

        -- Greg

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91746 12-FEB 12:16 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91689)
     From: 01GEN40      To: DIGIGRADE

I already use the gopher in this, the OS-9 sig.  Been using it since
it was installed.  Beats the &%$#( out of going to the main menu just to
"surf" for a while then come back here.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= GEN =-

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91747 12-FEB 12:21 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91693)
     From: 01GEN40      To: GREGL

I told my Father that I regretted doing as he said and dropped the
class.  He understood and said that if he had known about this com-
puter explosion, he would have let me take the class.  Oh well,
you know what they say about hindsight...  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= GEN =-

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91751 12-FEB 15:38 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91736)
     From: ISC          To: GREGL

> Funny you should mention that. I did a little cooking in school, but about
>
> all I could do was burnt-to-a-char-broiled-crisp whatever. :-) Funny what
> you learn by necessity. Being a single bachelor all these years, I used to
> eat out a lot. On the other hand, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, et. get
> old real quick. Needless to say, cooking for one isn't very easy either so
> I've learned to eat lots of left-overs. I make a pot of chili or spaghetti
> or whatever and typically eat it for a week. On the other hand, that means
> I have to cook once a week and it cuts down on washing dishes. I have yet
> to try my hand at anything "fancy." My chili, for example, consists of 2.5
> pounds of ground beef, two cans of diced tomatos, two cans of chili or kidney
> beans, and two packages of chili mix.Brown ground beef, throw in pot, mix,
> heat, serve. I can even do it with one hand tied behind my back or talking
> on the phone. :-)
>
>         -- Greg
>
Wow.  I have been cooking for years, and, now, I cook meals just slightly
below professional chef quality and cuisine.  Nothing is too difficult or
daunting for me to prepare.  You must be very slim, Greg.  How do you
stimulate your appetite if you eat such bland, boring food?

Bill

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91756 13-FEB 01:12 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91751)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ISC

He prob...watches the fish tank<grin>.....My kind of cooking when I was
Batching it! was Fried rice,with veggies,pork or whatever i felt putting in it
...My wife is philipino and cooks HER kind of food<dead fish><stinks><grin>
My kids DON,T like her cookin!So I end up cooking for them, Chicken goes down
well...as do Sloopy joe,Hamburger Etc.....<what do expect from two Twelve year
olds><Grin> They DO like my Fried rice,even my wife likes it!.....
Dennis

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91757 13-FEB 01:19 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91735)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL

 > It may not be a necessity for all jobs, but it is a necessity for many of
 > them.

Exactly.  That was what I was trying to say..

 > taking a year of
 > typing was definitely one of the best decisions I've made. I think I was
 > typing at roughly 30 or so wpm and have progressed to 60 wpm and better
 > over the years.

I have never regretted taking typing..  60 wpm sounds really good to me.

Don't know what I can do now.. I got a typing tutor or test for the coco once,
I think at that time, I was around 30.. at the time, it had been some time
since I had tried to type much.  I might be better now.  Whatever it is, I
suppose it is sufficient, although faster couldn't have hurt <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
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91758 13-FEB 01:19 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91736)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL

 > Being a single bachelor all these years, I used
 > to eat out a lot. On the other hand, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, et.
 > get old real quick.

You can say that again.. I'm single, too, and I know what it's like to eat
at the above eating establishments continuously.. OTOH, seems like when I
try to cook, I can mess up more pots and stuff.. :-(

My cooking is not all that fancy, either.. I do a lot of Hamburger Helper,
etc..  I use the Crock Pot a bunch, too.. Hard to work and come in and
prepare a meal.  I've not been trying to cook for too long, but I'm learning
a few new dishes as I go along.

For chili, I just uses Pintos, they seem to work pretty well..  I usually
use browned hamburger, about a pound, about a pound of beans, chili powder,
a dash of cayenne pepper, sometimes a little garlic, and add a some tomato
Sauce.  Goes pretty good, especially in cold weather.  I never did care for
spagetti or macaroni in the chili.. some use it (don't remember if you
mentioned this or not).

I tell you a little quickie thing you might try sometime if you like the
ingredients.. Heat a can of mushrooms.. I usually use Cream of Mushroom
soup.. Take some toast, put a layer of Tuna, then another slice of toast,
you can stack on as many layers as you wish.. On top, and on lower layers,
if you wish, pour the Mushroom soup.  To me, it makes a pretty good meal,
especially for supper.

                         -- David Breeding --
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91759 13-FEB 01:19 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91747)
     From: DBREEDING    To: 01GEN40 (NR)

 > I told my Father that I regretted doing as he said and dropped the
 > class.  He understood and said that if he had known about this com-
 > puter explosion, he would have let me take the class.

Why don't you get a typing book and learn on your own?  Well, actually,
you could learn without the book, I suppose.  Either way, it's just a
matter of practicing.  Really, all you need to know is to use the
A-S-D-F keys as the reference point for your left hand, and the J-K-L-;
keys for the right hand, and learn to go from there.  As a matter of fact,
there are typing tutors for the CoCo (you still use one, don't you?).  I
downloaded one from somewhere.  I'd work on it if I were you and wanted
to learn.

                         -- David Breeding --
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91763 14-FEB 03:44 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91758)
     From: GREGL        To: DBREEDING

I don't put spaghetti or pasta on my chili, although I have eaten it that
way a couple of times and it's not bad -- rice isn't too bad in chili either.
On the other hand, I've never been a fan of mushrooms. I'll eat 'em on pizzas
and stuff, but I prefer not to.

        -- Greg

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91767 14-FEB 21:11 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91756)
     From: RICKULAND    To: COCOKIWI

     I  used  to live/work with some 'pilapino'.... Didn't have
to  watch  the  fish  tank to close since smelt  are  cheap  here
(ducking).  Went  to  a  company  picnic  once,  didn't  eat  the
stew..... 'I feel good for you' was the exact quote:-)

     Good guys- but the Christmas spanferkel was a bit much.

                              -ricku

                   Rick Ulland                    CoNect
          rickuland@delphi.com             449 South 90th Street
  "Operating System Nine"-268m               Milwaukee WI 53214

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91771 14-FEB 23:42 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91756)
     From: ISC          To: COCOKIWI

> He prob...watches the fish tank<grin>.....My kind of cooking when I was
> Batching it! was Fried rice,with veggies,pork or whatever i felt putting in it

> ...My wife is philipino and cooks HER kind of food<dead fish><stinks><grin>
> My kids DON,T like her cookin!So I end up cooking for them, Chicken goes down
> well...as do Sloopy joe,Hamburger Etc.....<what do expect from two Twelve year

> olds><Grin> They DO like my Fried rice,even my wife likes it!.....
> Dennis
>
Dennis,

Twelve year olds can be tough, but I taught mine.  I had twin boys.  They are
now 28 (Gad!) and they have an appreciation for good food that I had some part
in cultivating.  I still cook a lot.  I find it creative and very satisfying.
I lean toward spicy, complex flavors and winey sauces.  Lots of baking and
roasting. Hmmm.  Whets my appetite. <grin>

Bill

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91773 14-FEB 23:42 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91758)
     From: ISC          To: DBREEDING

>  > Being a single bachelor all these years, I used
>  > to eat out a lot. On the other hand, McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, et.
>  > get old real quick.
>
> You can say that again.. I'm single, too, and I know what it's like to eat
> at the above eating establishments continuously.. OTOH, seems like when I
> try to cook, I can mess up more pots and stuff.. :-(
>
> My cooking is not all that fancy, either.. I do a lot of Hamburger Helper,
> etc..  I use the Crock Pot a bunch, too.. Hard to work and come in and
> prepare a meal.  I've not been trying to cook for too long, but I'm learning
> a few new dishes as I go along.
>
> For chili, I just uses Pintos, they seem to work pretty well..  I usually
> use browned hamburger, about a pound, about a pound of beans, chili powder,
> a dash of cayenne pepper, sometimes a little garlic, and add a some tomato
> Sauce.  Goes pretty good, especially in cold weather.  I never did care for
> spagetti or macaroni in the chili.. some use it (don't remember if you
> mentioned this or not).
>
> I tell you a little quickie thing you might try sometime if you like the
> ingredients.. Heat a can of mushrooms.. I usually use Cream of Mushroom
> soup.. Take some toast, put a layer of Tuna, then another slice of toast,
> you can stack on as many layers as you wish.. On top, and on lower layers,
> if you wish, pour the Mushroom soup.  To me, it makes a pretty good meal,
> especially for supper.
>
>                          -- David Breeding --
>    CompuServe : 72330,2051                  Delphi :  DBREEDING
>
>          ***  Sent via       InfoXpress/OSK - Vr. 1.02    ***
>
Oh, David,

Arggggggghhhhh!  (Stomach turning).  Actually, the chili ain't bad and the
crockpot is an excellent move, but HH and that tuna and mushroom soup
thing--whoa!  Most canned, bagged, fast commercial food is loaded with either
fat, salt and sugar or all three.  Americans pay dearly for eating like that
down the road with hypertension and heart problems.  Ty to eat fresh foods
with plenty of fruits and veggies or, later your body will begin to break
down.  You truly ARE what you eat.

Good luck.

Bill

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91777 15-FEB 20:01 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91773)
     From: MITHELEN     To: ISC

I like to eat foods that are well processed, and loaded with preservitives...
I figure them preservitives must get absorbed into the system, and will
keep ME preserved!
--
Paul

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91787 17-FEB 00:37 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91777)
     From: ISC          To: MITHELEN

> I like to eat foods that are well processed, and loaded with preservitives...
> I figure them preservitives must get absorbed into the system, and will
> keep ME preserved!
> --
> Paul
>
Lots of luck, Paul.  Your corpse will be preserved well, but you'll die early,
not to mention aging more quickly too.  If you do not give your body the
nutrients it needs, it slowly shrivels, breaks down and, finally, quits no
matter how clever you are.

<Grin>

Bill

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91793 18-FEB 00:11 General Information
     RE: Hidden Menu Selection? (Re: Msg 91763)
     From: DBREEDING    To: GREGL (NR)

 > I don't put spaghetti or pasta on my chili, although I have eaten it that
 > way a couple of times and it's not bad -- rice isn't too bad in chili
 > either.

I dunno, I seem to prefer my chili "in the raw" <G>  These additions just
don't seem to add anything, IMO.

 On the other hand, I've never been a fan of mushrooms. I'll eat
 > 'em on pizzas and stuff, but I prefer not to.

Lotsa people don't like mushrooms.. I don't suppose I'm extremely crazy
about them, but I do kinda like them, I suppose.

Have you ever seen any "dry land fish" ?  This is a mushroom that comes up
in spring.  It has a honeycomb look to it.. I've never eaten any, they
say they taste a lot like fish, but are something of a rarity.


                         -- David Breeding --
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End of Thread.

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91678 5-FEB 12:44  General Information
     RE: gen (Re: Msg 91618)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI


It is much better to be the #2 team then . . . . .

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91686 5-FEB 20:29  General Information
     RE: gen (Re: Msg 91678)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: 01GEN40

<GRIN>    ....Dennis

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End of Thread.

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91679 5-FEB 12:51  General Information
     RE: WD1002A-27X RLL Cntrlr Card (Re: Msg 91619)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI


Already pulled it and soldered in a socket.  I spotted quite a
few RLL controller cards at the Swap Meet yesterday, 2/4, in
San Diego. Some had the same chip as mine and some had sock-
eted ROMs.  I cannot believe that these people actually wanted
$5.00 bucks for those cards.  I am not going to spend more than
$2.00 bucks on some dead technology!  Next month I will offer
to buy all they have for $2.00 bucks each.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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91687 5-FEB 20:40  General Information
     RE: WD1002A-27X RLL Cntrlr Card (Re: Msg 91679)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: 01GEN40

Who knows!      I saw some Adaptec   Boards for sale   SCSI
..look in the
latest copy of Electronics NOW..March 95.....in the shopper in
the back of it!

in fact las page!.......4070A  <RLL> or 4000A         $40
ea.......

order desk CA...800 223-9977    they are in your area<close,but
not too close>    23605 telo ave.,   Torrance, CA
90505...310-784-5488....
place is called TIMELINE INC..........

 Dennis

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91745 12-FEB 12:10 General Information
     RE: WD1002A-27X RLL Cntrlr Card (Re: Msg 91687)
     From: 01GEN40      To: COCOKIWI

I would rather pay the $5.00 bucks at the Swap Meet.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= GEN =-

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91765 14-FEB 16:45 General Information
     RE: WD1002A-27X RLL Cntrlr Card (Re: Msg 91547)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COCOKIWI

Soldering in a ROM in no way implies the unit is a "cheeeepo".
It means that Western Digital was confident of the workings of that
final revision of the ROM software, and decided to dispense with the
addeded expense and added UNRELIABILITY that use of a socket entails.

     ---marty

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End of Thread.

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91680 5-FEB 12:59  General Information
     RE: Microsoft buys LDS (Re: Msg 91640)
     From: 01GEN40      To: WA2EGP


Now that's the spirit . . .

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91684 5-FEB 19:25  General Information
     THANKS
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: GREGL

  Hi Greg
  I was talking with LT Day (OH) a while back, and he remarked it was
Greg Law who first recomended him to The UPGRADE.   This was a coupla
years ago,, and you may not remember.  But I'd like to extend a big
thank you.  For not only recommending us,, but recognizing our support
of OS-9.  (LT's prime interest)   I continually say, "we support OS-9"
(as well as RSDOS), but for reasons unknown to me, it seldom gets
heard?   A dealer who subscribed recently remarked, "I'm really
surprised at the amount of OS-9 support you offer".
  Why he was surprised,,, beats me.  I'm just glad some are looking
beyond our RSODS only stereotype, to learn the truth.  I've been
kicking the bushes for some time trying to get up more support,, and
am glad to say,, we added still more OS support!
  Our February issue will carry two new OS-9 authors.  New to the
UPGRADE but not at all, as respected OS'ers.
  Hey,, thanks Greg,,,

  Now all I hafta worry about is: we may give off the image of
                                  (smile) an OS only group.
  Not to worry,,, we here to support the CoCo Community.

  Til then,,, Terry g

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91685 5-FEB 19:58  Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91667)
     From: DOMM         To: DBREEDING

>your buffer's horizontal size to multiples of 2.....

Well.......here's whats occuring so far.
The xsize of the get buffer was 1 and changed to 2 but still doesn't solve
my problem. I'll explain exactly what parameters are- may be you or someone
could see the err of my ways...

GET/PUT BUFFER:
xcor=adjustable to any x (0-319)
ycor=0
xsize=2 (REM:tried 1 also)
ysize=191
buffsize=384 (tried 192)

REM: what I'm trying to do is GET one verticle pixel column -converted into
it's respective palette registers.
NOW: I'm PEEKing starting at the buffers address,converting that number to bin
y, then taking the left four bits of that byte to convert to pal.reg..
This arrangement works perfectly for even number only! The question is how
do I do this for the odd numbered (x's)?  There's got to be something about
the layout I don't understand.

Any sugestions???

THANKX

---Dom

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91712 9-FEB 20:31  Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91685)
     From: RICKULAND    To: DOMM

     Wouldn't the right 4 bits then be the odd co-ords?
                              -ricku

                   Rick Ulland                    CoNect
          rickuland@delphi.com             449 South 90th Street
  "Operating System Nine"-268m               Milwaukee WI 53214

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91713 9-FEB 22:52  Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91712)
     From: DOMM         To: RICKULAND

Seems like it sould but it doesn't now?
What I did was to make a program that you could pass the x-cor and the
choice of either left four bits or right four bits.
Now- if you place a point on the screen in question- and its on an even
numbered x-cor...both left and right halfs of the byte show the change.
On odd numbered lines, any change doesn't show up.(Also- if you change a
point on even numbered line- there is a change in the GET data towards the
end of the next odd line- both sampling left and right half bytes).
I obviously don't have a complete grasp of the situation yet. Sure seems
like some type of timing problem but so far changing to a different
PEEK sampling rate of two didn't solve anything for the odd lines.

Do you know if the screen data starts at the GET buffer address or is
there a leading header there? (read somewhere GET buffers need 30 bytes
for overhead). May be I was just lucky to get the proper data back for
half of what I was looking for?

---Dom

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91716 10-FEB 01:33 Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91712)
     From: DOMM         To: RICKULAND

Guess what? (I feel so stupid!) I finally foun the culprit!
My problem was a timing error of sorts. It seems that I left out this simple
line in my program (bnum=hnum) which gets the results from the passed
parameter choice left/right of byte. The program was always sampling the
left half byte no matter what you mode you choose.

There-for...the right half byte indeed reflects the odd lines afterall!!!

THANKX

---Dom

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91718 10-FEB 19:41 Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91716)
     From: RICKULAND    To: DOMM

     Dom,

     It's  _always_ something you've already checked 12  times:-)
Glad to hear it's working.


                              -ricku

                   Rick Ulland                    CoNect
          rickuland@delphi.com             449 South 90th Street
  "Operating System Nine"-268m               Milwaukee WI 53214

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91723 11-FEB 01:46 Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91685)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DOMM

 > REM: what I'm trying to do is GET one verticle pixel column -converted

 > NOW: I'm PEEKing starting at the buffers address,converting that number to
 > bin y, then taking the left four bits of that byte to convert to
 > pal.reg.. This arrangement works perfectly for even number only! The
 > question is how do I do this for the odd numbered (x's)?  There's got to
 > be something about the layout I don't understand.

OK.. A GET must start at the begin of a byte.  IOW.. for a 16-color screen,
a byte represents 2 pixels, and these are 2 _HORIZONTAL_ pixels.  Also,
you should make your horizontal size on a multiple of 2.. it will be
bumped up to this when you "GET" anyway..  If you only want one horizontal
pixel, your xsiz should be 2.. If you want an even pixel, use the least
significant 4 bits (backward?).  An odd pixel: the MS-4 bits.  You'll
have to discard the other half of the byte if you only want 1 horiz. pix.

Try this..  The thing to remember that GET (or PUT) will not split a
horizontal byte, and it won't even if you try to define it otherwise.


                         -- David Breeding --
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91728 11-FEB 16:58 Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91723)
     From: DOMM         To: DBREEDING

Thanks for the info----and may I (so far anyway) happily refer you to
message 91716 if you haven't read it yet.

I,m still restling around with the actual program but I seem to be able
get the proper "column" values.(although the last pixal (y=191) seems in
err. I think you mentioned something about -1 line before??)

So far so good!

---Dom

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91752 13-FEB 00:12 Programmers Den
     RE: buffers and pixels (Re: Msg 91728)
     From: DBREEDING    To: DOMM

 > Thanks for the info----and may I (so far anyway) happily refer you to
 > message 91716 if you haven't read it yet.

I saw it, congrats.. Don't know exactly by what means you're getting your
results, but as long as it works, that's all that matters.

 > I,m still restling around with the actual program but I seem to be able
 > get the proper "column" values.(although the last pixal (y=191) seems in
 > err. I think you mentioned something about -1 line before??)

Yes, it seems to me that you cannot define a buffer 320 (or 640) pixels
wide, however, If I remember correctly, it will go ahead and get the full
byte.  You may have to make sure you're defining a large enough buffer to
hold it all..  Been a long time since I played around with them.

 > So far so good!

Great!  Feels good when a plan comes together... <G>


                         -- David Breeding --
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91692 6-FEB 23:06  Programmers Den
     shells input buffer size
     From: WDTV5        To: ALL

Has anyone else been bitten by the rather limited size of shells input buffer?
I tried to make a makefile for my "pf" over the last few days so I could do a
piecemeal compile. Worked great till it got to the rlink stage, then bombed
out because shell clipped the last 4 names and all the options off the command
line cc passed to rlink. The fix was to merge a bunch of the smaller source
files to reduce the number of filenames passed to the linker, that works ok.
But the 64k ? is why should I have to. With all the work thats been done to
shell over the last 10 years, I don't see any excuse for that less than 240
character limit to the command line to have survived this long. Has any one
worked out the patches to fix that, and if so, where can I find them?

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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91694 7-FEB 01:54  General Information
     RE: S.D. CHARGERS!!! (Re: Msg 91653)
     From: DSPICER      To: TEDJAEGER

TEDJAEGER> Oh, an OS2 user. I got it about a month ago and have it
TEDJAEGER> set up and running on a Pentium 60. Have enjoyed it thus
TEDJAEGER> far though dont seem to get quite the performance I had
TEDJAEGER> expected. I use dual boot so its side by side with Windoze
TEDJAEGER> and does not seem quite as snappy. Does more HD thrashing
TEDJAEGER> than the dreaded Microsoft product.

 I assume you have at least 8 megs of memory? OS/2 does require some tweaking
to get to optimum performance, but really starts to shine with 16+ megs. I
run strickly OS/2 here with my Windows code on an HPFS partition, so I don't
require dual boot.

TEDJAEGER> Wanted to ask--your message seems to be composed off line
TEDJAEGER> and posted automagically with something analogous to our
TEDJAEGER> Info-X-Press. Could you share the name of the OS2 product
TEDJAEGER> and how it can be obtained?

 The OLR that I use is ODN (Offline Delphi Navigator) for OS/2. It is
shareware and can be found in Custom Forum 41 (OS/2 Support Forum), with
updates in Custom Forum 414 (ODN Support Forum).

Dave Spicer [dspicer@delphi.com]
Composed on Tuesday, 02/07/95 at 0:46am Central Time using
ODN Version 1.30 Beta [Registered] under IBM OS/2 Warp.



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91695 7-FEB 01:54  General Information
     RE: S.D. CHARGERS!!! (Re: Msg 91648)
     From: DSPICER      To: AJMLFCO

AJMLFCO> Now, isn't it too bad we can't use OS/2 graphical shell
AJMLFCO> with OS9000 underneath as the multitasking engine!

 Wouldn't that be something :-)

Dave Spicer [dspicer@delphi.com]
Composed on Tuesday, 02/07/95 at 0:47am Central Time using
ODN Version 1.30 Beta [Registered] under IBM OS/2 Warp.



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91701 7-FEB 23:40  General Information
     RE: S.D. CHARGERS!!! (Re: Msg 91694)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DSPICER

From what I,ve seen,you need at least 12 meg to get anywhere
with it ,Ala a windows MIN 4 meg! when you know 8meg is
needed!<grin> !6 meg MIN....otherwise it is
S.L.o.w.w.w.w.w.w.......8 Meg is MIN on it! BUT 16 is realy
needed for it to go... the more aps one uses the more memory
one needs!

Dennis

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91720 10-FEB 22:27 General Information
     RE: S.D. CHARGERS!!! (Re: Msg 91694)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: DSPICER

 > TEDJAEGER> Oh, an OS2 user. I got it about a month ago and have it
 > TEDJAEGER> set up and running on a Pentium 60. Have enjoyed it thus
 > TEDJAEGER> far though dont seem to get quite the performance I had
 > TEDJAEGER> expected. I use dual boot so its side by side with Windoze
 > TEDJAEGER> and does not seem quite as snappy. Does more HD thrashing
 > TEDJAEGER> than the dreaded Microsoft product.
 >
 > I assume you have at least 8 megs of memory? OS/2 does require some
 > tweaking to get to optimum performance, but really starts to shine with
 > 16+ megs. I run strickly OS/2 here with my Windows code on an HPFS
 > partition, so I don't require dual boot.
 >
 > TEDJAEGER> Wanted to ask--your message seems to be composed off line
 > TEDJAEGER> and posted automagically with something analogous to our
 > TEDJAEGER> Info-X-Press. Could you share the name of the OS2 product
 > TEDJAEGER> and how it can be obtained?
 >
 > The OLR that I use is ODN (Offline Delphi Navigator) for OS/2. It is
 > shareware and can be found in Custom Forum 41 (OS/2 Support Forum), with
 > updates in Custom Forum 414 (ODN Support Forum).
 >
 > Dave Spicer [dspicer@delphi.com]
 > Composed on Tuesday, 02/07/95 at 0:46am Central Time using
 > ODN Version 1.30 Beta [Registered] under IBM OS/2 Warp.
 >
Bests
---TedJaeger

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91696 7-FEB 03:22  Programmers Den
     CD-i 602 abilities?
     From: DIGIGRADE    To: JEJONES



      Hi James,

    You seem to be in the know about these things so I'll ask you...

    I just got a super deal on a CD-i 602 system. There are some problems
though. I can't get the service shell opened. Joel and I just finished doing
every kind of combination of hookups with the back port (mini-din) and the
two RS232 ports (DB-9). We tried direct connect, null modem, everything. We
even held down the spacebar on the MM/1 like you said to do for the 220. No
go. I think we are doing something wrong. We were using Tascom (allthough
I figured Sterm would have been better, but we weren't shure)

    I really would like to get the player to recognize the floppy drive as a
boot device. Is the 602 ready to accept my SCSI hard drive as a boot device?

I really like the caddy system. I need more caddies though. :)

    If there is anything else you can tell me about this system's capability,
particularly opening a user shell, I would really appreciate it (gotta have
something to show off at the FEST!). Also, is getting a CD-i keyboard going
to help me?



      Thanks a GIG!


       Dave

 _____________________________________________________________________________
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 |Digigrade Productions   -   Digital Services  |  with an MM/1 running OSK  |
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91697 7-FEB 19:55  Programmers Den
     RE: CD-i 602 abilities? (Re: Msg 91696)
     From: JEJONES      To: DIGIGRADE

 > You seem to be in the know about these things so I'll ask you...

Uh-oh. :-)

 > I just got a super deal on a CD-i 602 system. There are some problems
 > though. I can't get the service shell opened. Joel and I just finished
 > doing every kind of combination of hookups with the back port (mini-din)
 > and the two RS232 ports (DB-9). We tried direct connect, null modem,
 > everything. We even held down the spacebar on the MM/1 like you said to do
 > for the 220.

I don't recall giving that advice--perhaps you're thinking of Boisy.  (And
with any luck he or someone else will respond, because I'm afraid I don't
know enough to help you.  I wish I did.  You might also try asking on
rec.games.video.cd-i or comp.multimedia.)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91707 8-FEB 19:54  OSK Applications
     OSK Basic
     From: VAXELF       To: ALL

  I and some others are porting the Ribbs_OS9 to Ribbs_OSK. Progress is
coming along great. Starting to test the FIDO mail code now. Also have
a beta site online in southern Cal.
  Question, we have noticed that we can take the same basic source module
load it into Basic, pack it, switch to another window, do a Ident on the
packed module, record the CRC, go back to the other window, kill basic,
run basic again, reload the same module, pack it again, but this time the
CRC will be different. I have repacked the same module 4 times in a row
and got 4 different CRC's.
  Can anyone shead some lite on why the CRC comes out different???? This
is causing a problem, since it makes it hard to determine which is the
newest module, so that we don't end up with a mix of old and new modules.
  Never had this problem with Basic09 under OS9 LII.

John D.

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91709 9-FEB 07:06  OSK Applications
     RE: OSK Basic (Re: Msg 91707)
     From: JEJONES      To: VAXELF

 > Question, we have noticed that we can take the same basic source module
 > load it into Basic, pack it, switch to another window, do a Ident on the
 > packed module, record the CRC, go back to the other window, kill basic,
 > run basic again, reload the same module, pack it again, but this time the
 > CRC will be different. I have repacked the same module 4 times in a row
 > and got 4 different CRC's.

That *might* be happening because something is being padded for alignment
(code or initialized data), and no attention is being paid to what value
is put in the padding.  (Padding is necessary on the 68xxx because some
of the processor family insists, for example, that two-byte and four-byte
integers have even addresses.)

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91734 11-FEB 20:40 OSK Applications
     RE: OSK Basic (Re: Msg 91707)
     From: DBREEDING    To: VAXELF

 > Question, we have noticed that we can take the same basic source module
 > load it into Basic, pack it, switch to another window, do a Ident on the
 > packed module, record the CRC, go back to the other window, kill basic,
 > run basic again, reload the same module, pack it again, but this time the
 > CRC will be different. I have repacked the same module 4 times in a row
 > and got 4 different CRC's.
 > Can anyone shead some lite on why the CRC comes out different?

I've noticed the same thing.. I _THINK_ what it is.. is that the variables
are sometimes shuffled around..  That is.. if you load a module (source)
and edit it, then the data is in some specific order, due to the original
load..  and the order is not changed in that instance.. However, if you
load this changed module, then Basic may load them in a different arrangement
so will therefore be saved differently than the previous save, even if you
don't  edit it this time..  This is only a guess, but it's the best I've
ever been able to come up with.

James mentions padding in his reply.. I've discovered this with OSK, but
I've never seen any evidence of padding with the 6809, but it could be,
and BASIC might do some padding in anticipation of OSK, dunno..

But I know what you mean about the different CRC's messing you up..  I've
looked at two modules.. Same code size, same data size, but different
CRC's.. Are they the same or different?? who knows??  It is a problem..


                         -- David Breeding --
   CompuServe : 72330,2051                  Delphi :  DBREEDING

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91710 9-FEB 19:28  General Information
     OS/2 Warp
     From: DSPICER      To: COCOKIWI

COCOKIWI> From what I,ve seen,you need at least 12 meg to get anywhere
COCOKIWI> with it ,Ala a windows MIN 4 meg! when you know 8meg is
COCOKIWI> needed!<grin> !6 meg MIN....otherwise it is
S.L.o.w.w.w.w.w.w.......8
COCOKIWI> Meg is MIN on it! BUT 16 is realy needed for it to go...
COCOKIWI> the more aps one uses the more memory one needs!

 Hmm, this must depend alot on things like MB design etc. I'm running Warp on
a 486sx/33 with 8 megs, and although I'm sure that 16+ megs would speed
things up, it's far from slow. I've also ran a BBS on a 386sx/20 with only 4
megs using a native OS/2 BBS package and it ran fairly smooth for such an
obsolete machine.

Dave Spicer [dspicer@delphi.com]
Composed on Thursday, 02/09/95 at 6:00pm Central Time using
ODN Version 1.30 Beta [Registered] under IBM OS/2 Warp.


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91715 10-FEB 01:01 General Information
     RE: OS/2 Warp (Re: Msg 91710)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: DSPICER

I was going by a test done on it ..local Mag I read..They tested it on diff
machines with different levels of memory to see which worked best!OK!
Dennis

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91724 11-FEB 04:01 General Information
     RE: OS/2 Warp (Re: Msg 91715)
     From: DSPICER      To: COCOKIWI

COCOKIWI> I was going by a test done on it ..local Mag I read..They
COCOKIWI> tested it on diff machines with different levels of memory
COCOKIWI> to see which worked best!OK!

 I guess some machines just work better than others regardless of memory. I
would venture to say that MB design plays a big role in the performance of
OS/2 Warp. I have 2 Tandy (no cracks please) machines that Warp works GREAT
on.

Dave Spicer [dspicer@delphi.com]
Composed on Saturday, 02/11/95 at 1:58am Central Time using
ODN Version 1.30 Beta [Registered] under IBM OS/2 Warp.



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91711 9-FEB 19:37  General Information
     Looking for CBJ
     From: DISTO        To: ALL

Does anyone know if Carl (CBJ) still hangs around here? -Tony.

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91719 10-FEB 20:37 General Information
     RE: Looking for CBJ (Re: Msg 91711)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DISTO

I don't think Carl gets on Delphi too often any more... He is pretty busy
with school right now, and work... He does log into SandV regularly
(Typically at leastr once a week) You can send mail to him through
the internet to either: carlboll@sandv.chi.il.us, or sysop@chicoco.chi.il.us
--
 Paul Jerkatis - SandV BBS (708)352-0948: OS-9 Support
 Domain: mithelen@sandv.chi.il.us       Internet: MITHELEN@Delphi.com

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91725 11-FEB 10:07 General Information
     RE: Looking for CBJ (Re: Msg 91719)
     From: DISTO        To: MITHELEN

Thanks for the info, I'll try him in email. -Tony.

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91714 9-FEB 23:38  General Information
     Now who?
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: JEJONES

  did you hear the news?
  Quail's not gonna run in '98
   Which leaves many wondering???



  Who are the PENTIUM users gonna vote for?

  Terry Simons  UPGRADE Editor

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91738 12-FEB 03:56 General Information
     RE: Now who? (Re: Msg 91714)
     From: ISC          To: MRUPGRADE

>   did you hear the news?
>   Quail's not gonna run in '98
>    Which leaves many wondering???
>
>
>
>   Who are the PENTIUM users gonna vote for?
>
>   Terry Simons  UPGRADE Editor
>
I know, Terry.  I will miss him, too.  Now, who will we laugh at?!?

Bill

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91750 12-FEB 14:07 General Information
     RE: Now who? (Re: Msg 91738)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: ISC

  > Now, who will we laugh at?!?

  With the present set of politicians,,, I doubt we'll have a shortage of
  politicians antics to laugh at.

  Ya gotta look at the bright side...
  Either you luagh at the things they do and say,,,
  OR
  You'll only be left with theh results of wha t they do.
  and that's enough to make you cry.

  Tperry Simons   Said that..

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91717 10-FEB 02:27 OSK Applications
     ZipCode lookup program
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: ALL


I just wanted to let everyone know, I uploaded a zipcode lookup program to
the database which tells you the city and state corresponding t the zipcode
you type in, and it's been validated.  There are 2 versions... one for
OS-9/68K using termcap and one for OS-9/68K using K-Windows.  Source is
included for the termcap version.

Best Wishes,

Joel Mathew Hegberg

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91739 12-FEB 08:34 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91717)
     From: JOHNREED     To: JOELHEGBERG

 > I just wanted to let everyone know, I uploaded a zipcode lookup program to
 > the database which tells you the city and state corresponding t the zipcode

Way to go Joel!  I was just wishing for such a program yesterday.  I'll
grab it.
           ********************************
 John R. Wainwright <<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>

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91744 12-FEB 11:37 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91717)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JOELHEGBERG


   Joel,

> ... I uploaded a zipcode lookup program ....

   And a very nice job you did too!  Thanks, works great.

--
   John -  < Posted with Ved 2.3.1  &  InfoXpress 1.2.0 >

I am Pentium of Borg.  You will be approximated.
Resistance is more or less futile.


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91754 13-FEB 00:59 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91717)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOELHEGBERG

Now the reverse would be interesting (grin).

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91780 15-FEB 23:00 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91739)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: JOHNREED

John,

 > > I just wanted to let everyone know, I uploaded a zipcode lookup program
 > > to the database which tells you the city and state corresponding to the
 > > zipcode

 > Way to go Joel!  I was just wishing for such a program yesterday.  I'll
 > grab it.

See how fast I work... just think about it, and the next day there it
is!  (Can I use you as a reference for future employers?)  <grin>

  -- Joel.


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91781 15-FEB 23:00 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91744)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: JOHNBAER

 > > ... I uploaded a zipcode lookup program ....
 >
 > And a very nice job you did too!  Thanks, works great.

Thanks for the kind words, John!

  -- Joel.


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91782 15-FEB 23:00 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91754)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: WA2EGP

 > Now the reverse would be interesting (grin).

Two words... word processor.  <grin>  Just kidding... the reverse would
be simple to do, but obviously would not be nearly as quick as the
zip-code search, since the file is sorted by zip-code.

  -- Joel.


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91786 16-FEB 22:44 OSK Applications
     RE: ZipCode lookup program (Re: Msg 91782)
     From: WA2EGP       To: JOELHEGBERG

Nothing worth while (almost nothing) is faster in reverse than forward (grin).
Geez...sounds like something from Quantum Philosophy 402.

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91726 11-FEB 12:27 General Information
     CoCoTop
     From: CHARLESAM    To: ALL

 Does anyone out there use CoCoTop by Chris Dekker? I'm just having a grand
old time trying to figure out how to merge my commands correctly. I have a
scsi HD. I can't follow his instructions too well because the size of my
shell plus runb, gfx2 etc.,etc. is larger than 16k. Then I'm using Nitros9
which probably accounts for the size discrepency. Also, is it necessary to
use grfint instead of windint? I would appreciate any help here as I'm not
doing too well so far. Thanx Charlie

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91727 11-FEB 14:37 General Information
     RE: CoCoTop (Re: Msg 91726)
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: CHARLESAM

I don't know about CocoTop, but I had similar problems with Accounting Level II
that I bought when CocoPro was going out of business.  However, I called Chris
in New Brunswick (Phone number in World of 68' Micros ad) and he send me an
upgraded disk with a simpler install program.  Apparently the original was
designed for a 128k coco, and he decided not to support under 256k so that
all the features would work.  Now I'm having some problems getting the
files that it needs, but I think maybe another phone call will solve that.
I noticed that that the sizes of the merged modules in his docs didn't match
the ones I had either.


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91740 12-FEB 09:12 General Information
     RE: CoCoTop (Re: Msg 91727)
     From: CHARLESAM    To: NEALSTEWARD

Being todays Sunday, maybe I'll give him a buzz. This appears to be a worth-
while program and if I can get it to run with most of my other software, I'll
Thanx for the help. Charlie

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91742 12-FEB 09:40 General Information
     RE: CoCoTop (Re: Msg 91726)
     From: JEJONES      To: CHARLESAM

 > Does anyone out there use CoCoTop by Chris Dekker?

I don't use it (switched entirely over to MM/1), but I have seen it.
Looks very nice.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91741 12-FEB 09:23 General Information
     Internet stuff
     From: MRGOOD       To: ALL

Ok, I have a question about Internet related software.  I've heard
it from two different sources lately that UUCP is an outdated way
of getting email and usenet news.

One source is FDU, which is dropping my UUCP account.  The other is a book
on the Internet.

My question is, without a UUCP package, how else can a person receive
email and news at home, automatically as I do now with UUCPbb?  Other than
opening an account with an Internet Service Provider and logging in as I
do now with Delphi, I'm not aware of any other way.

Hugo

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91762 14-FEB 03:37 General Information
     RE: Internet stuff (Re: Msg 91741)
     From: GREGL        To: MRGOOD

The "preferred" method is to use a SLIP (Serial Line Internet Protocol)
or PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol). These are basically two similar ways of
running TCP/IP protocols directly over a serial line with a high-speed
modem. I'm currently using a SLIP account with the Trumpet WinSock package
for Microsoft Windows and, as far as the applications are concerned, it looks
just like  have a network connection. The difference, of course, is that
I'm using a 14.4Kbps modem instead of Ethernet/Token Ring network boards and
a T1/T3 line.

I have to agree that UUCP is an out-dated way of connecting to the Internet,
but UUCP is more widely available at present than is SLIP/PPP packages. UUCP
lets you transfer mail, news groups, and files whereas SLIP/PPP lets you do
practically everything you can do from a computer directly on Internet --
including gopher, world wide web (with graphical browsers like Mosaic and
NetScape), FTP, etc.

        -- Greg

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91770 14-FEB 23:29 General Information
     RE: Internet stuff (Re: Msg 91762)
     From: KSCALES      To: GREGL (NR)

 > The "preferred" method is to use a SLIP (Serial Line Internet Protocol)
 > or PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol).
       [edited for brevity]
 > I have to agree that UUCP is an out-dated way of connecting to the
 > Internet, but UUCP is more widely available at present than is SLIP/PPP
 > packages. UUCP lets you transfer mail, news groups, and files whereas
 > SLIP/PPP lets you do practically everything you can do from a computer
 > directly on Internet -- including gopher, world wide web (with graphical
 > browsers like Mosaic and NetScape), FTP, etc.

Hmm... yeah.  I showed Hugo's message to a friend who uses UUCP, and
his response was something like:  "Sure.  The Internet service providers
want you to use all the interactive and GUI stuff supported by SLIP/PPP,
rather than just quickly transferring the data and reading it offline.
They're charging partly based upon online time."  If you are using
UUCP, then you aren't tempted to spend additional time doing other
things.

He's quite happy with the facilities he gets through UUCP.

Cheers... / Ken
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237

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91778 15-FEB 21:41 General Information
     RE: Internet stuff (Re: Msg 91762)
     From: MRGOOD       To: GREGL (NR)

I assume that for SLIP/PPP you need to log into a service, right?  Which
means you spend online time.  That's different from having UUCP
download what you want so you can peruse email and news offline.

Hugo

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91779 15-FEB 21:43 General Information
     RE: Internet stuff (Re: Msg 91770)
     From: MRGOOD       To: KSCALES

I'm happy with UUCP.  I just hope it's not phased out by ISP's
in the future.

Hugo

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91749 12-FEB 13:16 General Information
     Name...
     From: 01GEN40      To: WDTV5

  Hello Gene,

  I have not had a chance to go over what you left for me in MAIL.
I did, however, decide to change from my User Name at the bottom of
these messages to my nickname.  As you will see, it is actually a
part of my User Name as well.  I would think that our first names
must be the same, since, for about 15 years I went by the nickname
you use.  See ya.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= GEN =-

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91753 13-FEB 00:20 General Information
     monitor
     From: AJMLFCO      To: ALL

I just spotted a sidebar in a new magazine, "Multimedia Producer".
They mention the difficulty of finding monitors that will sync down
at the rates used by TV, approx. 15kHz.  A company called CD Solutions
is making a .28 dot pitch monitor, model CD-1401, which covers 15 to 35
Khz horizontal and 50 to 90 Hz. vertical rates.  It displays NTSC, RGB
analog, PAL, and VGA up to 800x600.  List price is $549 ( of course,
nobody pays list).  If you are having trouble finding a good monitor
for your CoCo, MM/1, or PC that also display NTSC from your VCR, this
might be of interest to you.  As a note, I have _nothing_ to do with
this company, I just noticed it while reading the magazine.  The number,
if you are interested, is 510-820-5400.  I would assume they don't have
a *clue* what a CoCo or MM/1 is.

Allen

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91775 15-FEB 12:56 General Information
     RE: monitor (Re: Msg 91753)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: AJMLFCO

Old NEC multisync monitors (original Multisync and
Multisync 1 plus and 2 and 2 plus) turn up around here used
from time to time, selling for about $30 to $60.   They sync down
to 15.75 KHz, have analog RGB input, and are compatible with VGA
signals at 640 by 480 and 800 by 600 resolution.   I picked up
a few some months ago for my own needs.  Dot pitch is .31 or .28 mm
(depends on the model).  Thus, I'd advise hobbiest to look
for a better deal than $500 (or even $400) for such a monitor,
unless they needs lots, or need one quickly.

   ---marty

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91785 16-FEB 22:36 General Information
     RE: monitor (Re: Msg 91775)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)

On 15-FEB 12:56 MARTYGOODMAN said to AJMLFCO
   > Old NEC multisync monitors (original Multisync and
   > Multisync 1 plus and 2 and 2 plus) turn up around here used
   > from time to time, selling for about $30 to $60.   They sync down
   > to 15.75 KHz, have analog RGB input, and are compatible with VGA
   > signals at 640 by 480 and 800 by 600 resolution.   I picked up
   > a few some months ago for my own needs.  Dot pitch is .31 or .28 mm
   > (depends on the model).  Thus, I'd advise hobbiest to look
   > for a better deal than $500 (or even $400) for such a monitor,
   > unless they needs lots, or need one quickly.
   > ---marty
Marty, I've noted several companies (see micronotes in last issue) selling
refurbished Multisync 1 & 2 models for around $175. Some of these have new
CRTs in them as well (actually one company said MOST did), which I guess
accounts for most of the cost.


Francis (Frank) Swygert
Publisher, "the world of 68' micros" Magazine

`[1;37;40mRainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Registered

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91788 17-FEB 00:46 General Information
     RE: monitor (Re: Msg 91785)
     From: AJMLFCO      To: DSRTFOX (NR)

Frank,
Some people buy a new car and a couple of years later, they
have a used car.  But it's not all that bad because it's  not
too out of date and worn out.  Now others, buy a used car to begin with.
After a couple of years, it's really worn out and really out
of date.  People may even laugh at the old piece of junk.  That's
OK too, because the oner saved a lot of money.  What's this have to
do with monitors?  A little, I think.  Personally, I like to have
nice stuff and don't mind paying for quality.  I try to stay away
from leading-edge AND trailing-edge technology.

(oops,  it's "owner" up there, not oner!  A typo--honest.)

Allen

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91795 18-FEB 01:03 General Information
     RE: monitor (Re: Msg 91775)
     From: LMCCLURE     To: MARTYGOODMAN (NR)

     "Old NEC multisync monitors (original Multisync and
      Multisync 1 plus and 2 and 2 plus) turn up around here used
      from time to time, selling for about $30 to $60."

Oh, to live in California, the land of cheap used electronic gear!
I suppose that helps make up for the cost of living out there. <grin>

In this part of the country, about the only place I see NEC Multisync
II's are on the nets, and those are typically over $100 ($150 or so
usually), or the occassional refurbs sold commercially. I don't
recall if I have seen the original Multisync at all.



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91766 14-FEB 16:54 General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91616)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: RICKULAND

Your version of how Microsoft got into the DOS business is rather
HIGHLY garbled.   But then, that's hardly suprising, since
you can't even remember the name of the company what created
the first major operating system for microcoputers (CPM).

The REAL story is rather more interesting, I might add, and relates
more to PERSONs and PERSONALITIES.

It involves the late Garry Kildall, creator of Digital Research,
which produced CPM for 8080 - based microcomputers.



  ---marty

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91774 14-FEB 23:44 General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91766)
     From: RICKULAND    To: MARTYGOODMAN

     Marty,

     At  least  I  said 'The story I heard...' The  real  tale
would be interesting reading. Any dirt? ;-)
                              -ricku

                   Rick Ulland                    CoNect
          rickuland@delphi.com             449 South 90th Street
  "Operating System Nine"-268m               Milwaukee WI 53214

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91776 15-FEB 13:09 General Information
     RE: ge (Re: Msg 91774)
     From: MARTYGOODMAN To: RICKULAND

The version of the legend I heard was that IBM contracted with
Microsoft to write the BASIC for their new machine.
This because Microsoft had made a name for itself writing BASICs.

They then sent representatives to Digital Research, whose founder
Gary Kildall had developed CPM, THE operating system for the most
common desktop computers of the time, to ask DR to develop
an operating system for the IBM computer.  These folks arrived
when Gary was out on a short vacation.   They told the company
to contact Gary directly.   Gary replied that he was on his own
time, and IBM could just wait until he was back at work.

IBM said "We're IBM.  When say "frog", you jump.   Gary invited
them to perform an act of intimacy with themselves.

So IBM left Digital Research, and went to Microsoft, and said
"We want you to develop the OPERATING SYSTEM for our new machine, too."
Gates said "We make BASICs, not operating systems.   Why don't you
go to Digital Research, their specialty is operating systems?"
IBM said "We want YOU to make the operating system for our computer."
Gates said "But we've NEVER made an operating system.  I don't think
we can do it in the time frame you ask."   IBM said "If you don't
make us an operating system, we'll take away the contract for the
BASIC."    Gates said "Operating systems!  Oh!  OPERATING systems!
Why didn't you say so more clearly.   OF COURSE!  We LOVE making
operating systems.  Do it in our sleep.  Yessir!  We'll make
you an operating system."


Now there was at this time a company called Seattle Computer
in Seattle that was working on a project for an 8088 based machine.
They got as far as they could, but needed CPM 88 (which was to be
the operating system for the 8088).   They called Digital and said
"When's CPM 88 going to be ready?" and Digital Research said
"We're working on it."    So they hired a programmer to write
the bare bones of an operating system that was designed to be
as closely as possible LIKE what they EXPECTED CPM 88 to be,
based on the original CPM.   For they needed
an operating system to further their project.   Time and again
they asked DR about when CPM 88 would be ready, and they
heard again and again "We're working on it."   Eventually,
their "bare bones' system, which they called Q-dos (for quick
and dirty DOS) got more an more elaborate.

Gates at Microsoft got wind of this, and asked to license use of Q DOS
for his own purposes.  Later, he hired away the programmer who
started the Q DOS project.   Thus MS DOS 1.0 was born.
Gates paid a few tens of thousands for the rights to Q DOS.


Some years later, Seattle Computer, feeling it had been had, sued
Microsoft.  Or rather, they noted in their contract with Microsoft
that it appeared from the wording that they should have rights
to sell without royalty ANY PRODUCT THAT WAS A DERIVATIVE OF Q DOS,
meaning they could sell any version of MS DOS without paying
Microsoft a royalty.


Microsoft ended up BUYING Seattle Computer, then SELLING BACK
to Seattle Computer all of the company EXCEPT any real or imagined
rights to MS DOS.

   ---marty

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91768 14-FEB 21:36 Programmers Den
     lha2.11c
     From: WDTV5        To: ALL

Its awful to get so absent-minded, but I can't recall who was relaying
my messages to/from Gene Krenciglawa about a year or so back. Can anyone
help out with a relay to his school/busines/home email box? I have some
email I'd like to send him.

Thanks, Gene Heskett, WDTV5@delphi.com

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91769 14-FEB 23:26 Programmers Den
     DOWNLOADING INFO
     From: JOEL514      To: ALL

EXIT
EXIT

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91784 16-FEB 20:20 General Information
     Feb 95 *CDi* magazine
     From: JEJONES      To: ALL

Hot <expletive>!  I got the February 1995 issue of *CDi* magazine in the mail
today.  I'm very glad, for two reasons:

1. Previous issues said "Sept/Oct" and "Nov/Dec"; could they be going
   monthly?

2. I got the February issue...in February!  Previous issues were, um,
   rather less prompt.

A quick scan of the contents shows (not a complete list):

- previews of *Rise of the Robots*, *Merlin's Apprentice*, *Secret Mission*,
  and *Discworld*

- an article on *Chaos Control*, which looks pretty impressive.

- reviews of a bunch o' Video CD movies--suffice it to say that if you
  feel like you're in some kind of...*spy* movie, you'll be happy.

- articles on two Monty Python Video CDs...no, wait, there's--but that
  would be giving it away.

- a list of 202 available titles, and I'm pretty sure I've seen some
  messages on the net listing some that they don't have, so I think
  there are more than that really.

There's quite a bit of news on CDi at CES that I've not seen mentioned
elsewhere, too.

I've seen *CDi* on the stands at a Hastings book store in Norman OK,
and other people have mentioned seeing it in stores.  IMHO it's worth
tracking down.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91789 17-FEB 08:29 General Information
     RE: Feb 95 *CDi* magazine (Re: Msg 91784)
     From: JEJONES      To: JEJONES

 > 1. Previous issues said "Sept/Oct" and "Nov/Dec"; could they be going
 > monthly?

No, they're not...I should've looked closer.  Just inside it says "published
bimonthly" in moderately-large friendly letters.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91792 17-FEB 21:26 General Information
     RE: Feb 95 *CDi* magazine (Re: Msg 91784)
     From: BOISY        To: JEJONES

Hi James,

Hope my issue of CD-i Magazine is in the mail.  I'm currently in St. Louis,
waiting to catch the plane home as I type.  When I was in Syracuse last
week, I saw CD-i Magazine on the shelves in Borders Books there.

While I was in Dallas this week, I went to "Incredible Universe," a
fantastic place filled with all sorts of electronics.  I've never seen
anything like it!  It's like Best Buy to the power of 3.

Anyway, they had the absolute *BEST* CD-i display I have ever seen!  There were
more titles available at the store than you could shake a stick at, and there
ws was a very promising demo of several upcoming CD-i titles including
Chaos Control, Kathy Smith's work out, Microcosm, and others.

It looks like CD-i is doing quite well there.

L8r.

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91790 17-FEB 19:58 General Information
     PUPPO XT keyboard interf.
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: DSRTFOX (NR)

  I was typing up the PUPPO interface review for next months UPGRADE Mag this
 morning.   And had oto notice "all the features".   Or it appears
 many see it as mainly just giving you a "flashy keyboard" on your CoCo.
 Which it does,, but that's just a beginning.  In reality it is very well pu
 together (except for that %&**#$ menu),, adding many features.  no matter
 which RS or OS DOS you use.  The Function keys F-1 thru F-10 will work
 and be vaulable within many Commericial programs.  Tw-128 & ULTIMATERM,,etc.
 My extra is in this month's FOR SALE colupmn in theh UPGRADE.  The review
 in next months Mag.  Kinda backwarpds,, but,,, oh , well...
  BTW: one thing lacking,,,,    a <g> sppell checker

  Terry Simons  UPGRADE Editor

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91791 17-FEB 20:16 OSK Applications
     Basic I-code CRC Problem
     From: VAXELF       To: ALL

  I think I have found why the CRC of a packed Basic Module (I-Code) comes
up with a different CRC each time I pack the same unaltered Basic module.
After packing and saving the same module four times, I did a "cmp" on
them. Each time ONLY the bytes between OFFSET $20-$2F were different.
  The Manual shows $20-$2D are RESERVED. $2E-$3F is M$Parity - Header Parity
Check btyes.
  The only thing I can come up with is Basic is NOT zeroing $20-$2D, thus
the garbage in those bytes are causing the CRC to be different.

  Question - Is there any way thru Basic to set the Version Number of the
Module. If I can set the Revision ID byte when Basic Packs the module, I
can use that as a indicator of which module is the newest.

John D.

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91797 18-FEB 16:46 OSK Applications
     RE: Basic I-code CRC Problem (Re: Msg 91791)
     From: JEJONES      To: VAXELF (NR)

 > Question - Is there any way thru Basic to set the Version Number of the
 > Module.

I know of no way through BASIC, but OTOH there's always fixmod.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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91796 18-FEB 10:53 General Information
     Going to the FEST!
     From: DISTO        To: ALL

Looks like I'll be going to Chicago in late April! I'll be taking everything
I have left with me and liquidating everything at great low, low prices. I
might even take "offers" late Sunday. See you all there! -Tony.

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