From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:34:02
Message Number 11301

>Brave Sir Robin is still mine favorite.
 
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:35:02
Message Number 11302

>You should have tried subliminal messages with "Give Peace a Chance."
 
I never liked that song when it was NEW. The remake is rather 
interesting, in its own sort of warped and peculiar way, but I wouldn't
classify it as good music. I wouldn't even call it profound. It's
just cute.
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:42:08
Message Number 11305

>...having only three registers keeps your code more compact...
 
Naah. You gotta spend more time moving shit in and out of memory.
Plus you can't do the neat-O nifty one-instruction block moves and
block compares and block I/O the Z-80 can do. The Z-80 can dump the
entire contents of memory to one port with one instruction...
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:43:51
Message Number 11306

>Why, Turtle. You *know*...bzzzzzzz........
 
Hmph.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:45:22
Message Number 11307

I'm glad you are willing to stand for--and fight for--freedom and
liberty in foreign countries, as long as they're not more convenient
as dictatorships. It's truly touching, the way you fling those noble
concepts around.
 
>Perhaps you would care to elaborate on the WILD claim.
 
Saddam Hussein is our monster, remember? There was this thing, a while
back, between Iran and Iraq, right? So we decided that the enemy of
our enemy is our friend, and provided assistance to Hussein in his
battle against the dark forces of Islamic fundamentalism, remember?
Gave him money to buy weapons, helped him arrange third-party purchases,
that sort of thing? It7s unlikely he would be where he is now without
that little boost...
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: So tell me...  
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:48:36
Message Number 11308

>I don't believe that it's going to be like in the movies, "World
>War III" nukes and all that other bullshit.
 
Nope, sure isn't. But then, back then nobody figured on the sudden
collapse of Communism, the shifting of world power, the breaking of
the Cold War, and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism...and this war
may yet change the way we think about war period. Who'd of thunk it?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:50:38
Message Number 11309

>I maintain that getting rid of Hussein could only be an improvement.
 
I agree. Personally, between you and me, I'd like to see that asshole
get taken out like YESTERDAY, preferably in a dramatic and painful
fashion. I think that should have been our objective from the start.
If we had targeted him, PERSONALLY, soon enough, we could have avoided
some of this unpleasantness altogether...but the longer it takes,
the more likely it is that there will be someone else to take his place
when he finally gets his. Right now it's pretty much his authority
alone that's keeping Iraq going, but that may change soon...
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 03:53:20
Message Number 11310

>(Cold weather does such wonderful things with nipples.)
 
So does ice. What mother nature doesn't provide, technology does.
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From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 04:05:07
Message Number 11311

 
"Patriotism does not mean that you think your country is perfect or blameless,
 or even particularly likeable on balance; nor does it mean that you serve it
 blindly, go where it tells you to go and kill whom it tells you to kill.  It
 means that you are committed to keeping it alive and making it better, that
 you will do whatever seems necessary (up to and including dying) to protect
 it whenever you, personally, perceive a mortal threat to it, military or
 otherwise."  -- Spider Robinson 

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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 11:23:26
Message Number 11313

T> what 's your point? 
    
Did you miss it! Go back and re-read. Remember, you're the one who said
Kuwait could go to hell, not me. 
Also, before you start jumping on me about continuity in government
policies, let remind you that /I/ admitted that people are not perfect.
Hence, our elected officials aren't without flaws.  I'm sure that when
a person gets elected, they don't just automatically become perfect. 
But I must stand behind their decision to go to war. (not out of blind 
faith either, so save that attitude for the Specialist) I simply feel
that we're doing the right thing. 
It seems to me that you are just chalking this war up to a "another bad
decision" made by Congress. Then you sit there a carefully extract from 
your memory past bad decisions to support your opinion.  But when you 
get right down it, you have not offered any /real/ reasons, just 
argumentive one.  "well, we did this before..." We did that, and look 
where it got us."... etc. Give me some concrete reasons of why you think
the U.S. have no right at war.  
But on the other hand, you are right to a point. That the U.S. does like
to play MORALITY POLICE. LIKE I said above, Congress and the president
are human, and I won't foolishly go on record and say ,see, the U.S. 
has a perfect track record.  We don't, not by a long shot.  I think even
the biggest war-wonger will agree that Vietanm was a mistake, a very big
mistake. 
One more thing, stay on the topic this time, War In The Gulf
Don't wander away, stick to Hussien, Kuwait, and the events of the last 
six months. If you do I bet you'd have a hard time /not/ agreeing with
the decision to go to war.  
Have a day.
Scott Steel
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: unprovoked att 
Date & Time: 01/19/91 11:55:48
Message Number 11314

TS> Eh? What was that UNPROVOKED attack all about?
TS> Careful Scott...remember? "Stay down Scott! Stay down!"
    
How could I?  You remind me of it on an average of once a week!
But to answer your question, if it is any of /your/ business: I just
decided to respond, in a derogatory way, to stupid message about 
sending smurfs in to fight the war.  I'm sorry, but a little voice 
was saying, "Hit me, come on, hit me. I just made a totally ridiculous
statement." 
I couldn't help myself.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: So tell me...  
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:06:41
Message Number 11315

TS> Incidentally, I believe the Wild Weasel is an ECM craft.
   
Isn't that one of the things an aircraft equipment with ECM does, fly 
reconsance?  Or are you just showing off your intelligence again? 
Hey Specialist, your nose is bleeding. Are you allright? (heheheh)
Have a day.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:10:47
Message Number 11316

SS>(Hahahahahahaha Smart-ass(ed) sneer)
   
TS> Still being anal retentive, I see. 
   
Nawh, just carrying the joke for a few extra rounds. So Exxxxxccuse
ME. 
BTW Who are you to call /anyone/ anal retentive?
Have a day.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:13:46
Message Number 11317

TS> BZZZT! Wrong, Turtle...Stang..5.0...305ci...200-220 hp...blather
TS> blather Now I figure with an engine...rated about 335 hp....spew,
TS> spew...440 ci...blather blather spew spew...I'll keep you posted...
    
/Whose/ being anal retentive?  Yes you have done some impressive things 
with that car, repair-wise. But you talk like you're "Mr Joe Fix-it"
Have a day. 
Scott Steel
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:20:46
Message Number 11318

TS>...the lower species....mating call...
  
That's not just a little bit prejudice, it is? So far, you're known for
being a"FAG Basher", "Will shoot a flag-burner on sight.", now, now you
want to be known for being like Hitler in wanting to get rid of blacks 
too? So tell me, what /your/ idea of the master race?
A whole world of people just like you?
       
"Specialist, man, your eye looks terrible. What happened?"
The Specialist, still dazed,"I got hit again."
"Man, you oughta be more careful, those guys play rough."
    
Have a day. 
Scott Steel
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:30:33
Message Number 11319

TS> ...Or is that only for *our* country ....Oh, yes, that *is* your 
attitide, isn't it.
    
*yawn* (just the Specialist being very anal retentive)
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:33:45
Message Number 11320

TS> I dunno, I bet *I* could still get a awful low accomplished.
    
Anally retentive and over-active hormones. 
Sounds like a serious case. 
You're beginning to worry me.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:37:35
Message Number 11321

Obviously, you're spewing in ignorance. If you had read the replies, 
you would have seen that I would go, but I can't. Like the Specialist
said I would be medically deferred. Therefore, disqualified. And, to be
honest, if I could, yes I would be afraid, but I'd still go. 
        The Man Of Steel
   
Have a Day.
        The Lady in Black
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give Peace     
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:42:27
Message Number 11322

T> It's just cute.  
   
Yeah, I'd say that close. Are you sure you're not over-rating it a 
little?
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:45:26
Message Number 11323

T> The average "Stang has a 2.4 liter four-banger. It's the Mustung GT's
T> you wanna go after. (Yes! Got him on a technicality! Yes! *smirk*)
    
Way to go!!!!
Ummmmmm.... 
Well, I guess that /really/ does say it all.
Good job, Turtle.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:51:38
Message Number 11324

T>...provided assistance to Hussein...gave him money to buy weapons...
helped him......
   
Good point, Turtle. You've got him reeling now. You got him again!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:55:56
Message Number 11325

TS>(cold weather does such wonderful thing with nipples.)
   
T> So does ice. What mother nature doesn't provide, technology does.
    
You're both a couple of perverts.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 12:58:22
Message Number 11326

T> Quote from Spider 
Oops... T>Robinson
   
Score another point for the hero-in-a-halfshell!
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From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 16:35:42
Message Number 11327

Yes, I do like Siamese cats.  The original message was kind of a joke
about anthropomorphic cats, though.
 
> I mean, consider the challenge they love to fight.
 
The issue is becoming a wee bit fuzzy here, if you'll pardon the
potential pun.  (Reli, from "Travelling Music", and my grandmother's pet
Siamese cat, Alexis, could both be called "cute" -- but I'd be using the
word in two decidedly different ways, with essentially unrelated
connatations.)
 
> Besides, I don't like cats.
 
You mean cats like Alexis, or feline humanoids like Reli?  The first
way, you're at a loss for it; the second, you aren't (but if they
existed, you'd be at an even greater loss for it, again in a decidedly
different way.)
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 16:43:39
Message Number 11328

Kuwait /did/ actually belong to Iraq, as I pointed out; unlike your
analogy of Britain trying to reclaim part of the U.S., Kuwait did not
fight for independence, it was arbitrarily granted to them by a third
party.  This doesn't have much bearing on the ethics of Iraq's invasion,
but it's worth clearing up.
    Sorry if you found my response patronizing, but ad hominems piss me
off.  "Those people" aren't supporting the government because they don't
agree with the government's actions.  That doesn't mean that they are
for Hussein, or against the soldiers we have sent over there.  It may
mean that they feel "neutralizing" Hussein is not worth the price in
American lives it will cost.  It may also mean that they felt that the
sanctions were not given sufficient time.  I am aware you don't agree
with these statements.  The fact that you disagree with them does NOT
make those who DO agree "pinkos."
   If it is important to neutralize Hussein, why send 500,000 troops to
do it?  The Iraqi force is effectively being held together by the
charisma of one man.  Remove that man, remove the driving force behind
the invasion.  Sending in our entire armed forces to kill him is like
the Mafia sending 10,000 crack mercenaries to take out Jimmy Hoffa.
If we do NOT go after Hussein directly, there WILL be a long, bloody
ground campaign, because the Iraqis will NOT surrender en masse: they
will wait to be taken out one by one, dispersed to be as difficult to
find as possible and as difficult to remove without causing damage to
Kuwait (and preferably innocent bystanders).  His biggest weapon is the
American fear of repeating Vietnam, and he will follow Ho Chi Minh's
strategy: "For every 1 American we kill, you will kill 10 of ours, and
in the end, it is you who will tire."
   ---
   Of course, this doesn't adequately answer the question of why we are
over there at all.  The question	 is moot now, but I do not think it was
ever clear-cut.  Dictator, schmictator: we don't owe Kuwait anything.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/19/91 17:02:24
Message Number 11329

> ...any uprising [Hussein] would crush with his military.
 
Dictatorships are the MOST susceptible to military coups; look at your
recent history in South America and Africa (and the Middle East, for
that matter).  I think it's hard to conclusively say one way or another
what would have happened if we had kept going with sanctions for six
months.  It's quite likely the effects would have been a great deal more
noticeable, but the only way it would have seriously helped is if the
effects were so bad there WAS a military coup.  (Of course, with
governments run entirely on the strength of one man, as soon as he looks
weak his days are numbered, no matter how strong his supporters are.)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/19/91 17:25:17
Message Number 11330

Well, on the subject of cats.  I don't like real cats. I think I would 
like feline humaniods.  
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:27:20
Message Number 11331

Typical.  Will you call him a "heartless asshole" now?  Or maybe a 
"cold bastard"?
  
 
 
 
 
 
"Heartless Asshole" and "Cold Bastard" are tradmarks of Typical Women,
Inc., 1989-91.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:30:27
Message Number 11332

T>Wherever it's convenient...
 
Eh?
 
T>If an ALLY of ours ... we don't give two shits.
  
Perhaps you would care to explain *this* wild claim?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:31:39
Message Number 11333

Did not!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:32:11
Message Number 11334

T>It's just cute.
  
No, not even cute.  Corny.  Dull.  Trite.  Outdated.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:34:07
Message Number 11335

The average 'Stang has a 5.0 liter engine.  The 2.4  is not enough of
a car to be called a 'Stang. (Granted, they do make 'em that way...but
*I* don't call em 'Stangs...I call 'em pathetic.  Course, I used that 
word for a lot of things...and people.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:36:15
Message Number 11336

So what?  The Assembler I worked with had a move subroutine, too!  It
was built into the ROM.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:37:13
Message Number 11337

>Why Turtle.  You *know* ...buzzzzzzzzzz.....
>
T>Hmph.
 
Feeling a little persecuted, are we?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:38:21
Message Number 11338

T>Saddam Hussein is our monster, remember?  ...we...provided assistance
T>to [him].  Gave him money...helped him...
  
Facts, Turtle.  Not hearsay.  I believe it was the sloppy civilians
who sold him that stuff, and not the government per se.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: So tell me...  
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:40:33
Message Number 11339

T>But then, blah, blah, blah...
T>...and this war may yet change the way we think about war period.
  
Figger the odds.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:41:50
Message Number 11340

Let me get this straight...you support sanctions, yet you want to do
something about Hussein right away?  
  
VOOP VOOP VOOP!  NS ALERT!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:43:05
Message Number 11341

So, who the hell is Spider Robinson?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: unprovoked att 
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:45:24
Message Number 11342

SS> I just made a totally ridiculous remark. 
 
Yep.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:46:28
Message Number 11343

SS>(Hahahah  Smart ass[ed] sneer)
TS>Still being anal retentive, I see.
SS>Naw, just carring the joke on for a few extra rounds.
 
What joke?  Wait, did you make a joke?  Oh, it's always so hard to tell.
Usually you just pick up someone elses line and pound it into the ground
(embarrassingly, usually).
  
(Ya wanna play nasty, eh?)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:49:38
Message Number 11344

TS> blah, blah, blah, blather blather, spew, ...I'll keep you posted.
 
SS> You talk like you're "Mr. Joe Fix-it"... mumble, mumble...sputter.
 
Oh, you're just pissed off cause *you* can't understand it, either.
As a matter of fact, blather blather blather spew spew!  And 
further more, mumble mumble blater glumble blamemem....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:53:34
Message Number 11345

Obviously, you're spewing in ignorance.  
 
Takes one to know one...
 
SS>Like the Specialist said, I would be medically deffered.
 
No, I said, DISQUALIFIED....  Excuses, excuses.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE.             
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 04:56:33
Message Number 11346

Seems like you have yourself a new cheerleading section.  My, you must
be proud to have *Scott Steele* on your side!   Hey, do you think I 
could like, stand next to you two and say that I know you and like that?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:01:53
Message Number 11347

Great.  I'm open to your ideas; what do you have in mind to kill 
Hussein?  Perhaps you can come up with some workable idea.  If we 
send in assassins and kill him, his press releases the statement he 
has gone into hiding, and things continue as planned.  If we kill
him outright, he becomes a martyr and some other cockroach pops up to
take his place.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:04:14
Message Number 11348

Yes, but you ignored my first point.  While we wait, he develops 
nastier weapons.  If the sanctions don't wait, we have to go in 
against what he didn't have months ago.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: unprovoked att 
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:11:34
Message Number 11349

SS?> I just made a totally ridiculous remark. 
  
TS> Yep.
  
I bet when you did color-by-number you went outside the lines too. 
You purposely mis-quoted that just to attack me. And /you/ say *I* 
make unprovoked attacks. Gimme a break.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:14:47
Message Number 11350

TS> Usually you just pick up someone else's line....
   
Maybe so but I do get credit to you for the joke.  Besides I think it 
pisses you off no end when *I* get laughs with your jokes.
Just to remind you of one statistic (facts, we know how much you like
facts) it takes an average of eight days for a /new/ joke to get from 
one side of this country to the other.  I mean, what good is a joke if
it isn't passed on.  And *just* try, please, I'm begging you, try to 
tell me *you* use 100% original material. I'm sorry but I won't buy that
for one minute.  You do the same thing, steal other people's jokes. 
  
As usually your just spewing again.
Typical.
More to the point, pathetic.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:21:30
Message Number 11351

TS> Oh, you're just pissed off cause *you* can't understand it, either.
   
Yeah, right I keep forgetting that your /so/ much smarter than the rest
of us. My apologies. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:23:27
Message Number 11352

SS> Like the Specialist said, I would be medically deffered. 
  
TS> NO, I said, DISQUALIFIED... Excuses, escuses. 
    
Oh, excuse me for mis-quoting you. Like you didn't just /do/ that 
to me about five minutes ago? Hypocrite. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:34:27
Message Number 11353

TS> They wouldn't take him. He's a cripple. "medical Profile", they call
TS> 'em. Back injury, don't you know. 
  
I did a little research. Reread message #11282. You said neither. 
You didn't say "Disqualified" or "Deffered" I know, let me guess that's 
what medical profile means, right?  I hope you feel stupid now. 
Oh my God, the Specialist attacking from a incorrect premise. 
Ooooops. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 05:41:23
Message Number 11354

That's Scott Steel, Specialtits! I'm not anyone's side, at least not for
long. I prefer to stand alone. If someone cares to join me fine. On the
other hand, I'll join someone else if I can argee with them on a certain
point. I'm not Turtle's "cheerleading section" anymore than you like 
being around homosexuals. 
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: So tell me...  
Date & Time: 01/20/91 12:17:14
Message Number 11355

>> This situation is ALREADY a world war.
>Yes, possibly, BUT, will this really go down in the record books as the
third world war? 
 
I very much doubt it, despite the # of countries involved.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the number of countries 
involved in WW II and the number participating in Operation Desert Storm
.
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 13:20:09
Message Number 11356

>When is it plating?
               ^
               Y
     I dunno, but Dark side of Da' Moony, is comming in a few weeks, So
you remembered Brain Dead Weasels eh? How about this, There is a band
called Tangerine Dream, who are a synth duo(trio depending on what album
you see) they have this album called Lily on the Beach, and it contains 
a great song called "To Hot For My Chinchilla" Cool song...
                                         Thumper One
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From: THUMPER 1           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Cover music    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 13:26:07
Message Number 11357

>Cover Music...
  Actually you already know this but...
                   YES And RUSH!!!!!!
 But I go for all kinds of things as Rufus Saw at Pentacon.
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: My handle....  
Date & Time: 01/20/91 13:35:14
Message Number 11358

>Where did you get your handle? 
      Why do you people keep asking me that? Ok there is the real 
version of how I got my handle a few messages back, here's the way it
might have been though...
  
     I get my handle when I was walking through the Selby Gardens, Look-
ing through the Herb garden therein. My friends had said that they would
meet me at the bookstore there at 1:00pm. It was 12:20. I was feelin' a 
little "Uppity" And happened across this wounded Hamster. He seemed to 
have been mauled by a cat. Pittying(SP?) the poor thing,(An also having
an alterior(SP? AGAIN) Motive) I took it into the bathroom to tend it's
little wounds. After bandaging it, I was amazed to hear it say these 
words...:
  "Let Me repay you the only way I can."
I then found out that this was no Ordinary hamster, It was in fact the 
sacred Hamster Whore Goddess, Whoz prompt metamorphosis into Vanna White
left me breathless, and shirtless, and pantless, and after about 30 sec.
of complete bliss, my friends walked into the john and caught us in 
flagrante delicto. Hence my Nickname, Thumper One.
    
                      Sound Better?
                                            Thumper One
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: humming bird   
Date & Time: 01/20/91 13:44:41
Message Number 11359

Not Returned, She is My sister, and has been scared away by the raucous
Raunch on the other boards, She does in fact wish to return, but she has
 not had the time.
                               Thumper One
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New Weapons    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 13:49:21
Message Number 11360

>F-4 Wild Weasle
>F-111 Aardvark
>A-10 Warthog
    How bout the B-4 Stealth Hamster, Also called the Rampaging Rodent.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BURNEY              
Subject: I'm baaaaaack  
Date & Time: 01/20/91 14:52:32
Message Number 11361

> Hello
 
Hello, and a double hello.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 15:00:53
Message Number 11362

>They wouldn't take him.  He's a cripple.
 
Well, I didn't know he had a bad back before I posted that message.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 15:19:22
Message Number 11363

>There is a band called Tangerine Dream...
 
Love 'em!  Turtle is a good influence on my musical tastes (I wouldn't
say influence, but he introduced me to groups I probably wouldn't have
listened to otherwise).
 
>"To Hot For My Chinchilla" Cool song...
 
Aargh...bad pun.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Cover music    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 15:21:33
Message Number 11364

>But I got for all kinds of things as Rufus Saw at Pentacon.
 
Yep...and almost all of it was really good.  I was kinda disappointed to
see ya had no Vanilla Ice (ducking large objects).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: My handle....  
Date & Time: 01/20/91 15:23:33
Message Number 11365

>name...hamster...Vanna White...
>
>                Sound Better?
 
No.
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 16:54:15
Message Number 11366

>I was kinda disappointed to see ya had no Vanilla Ice (Ducking large...
 
     He's a rip off artist.(Theif Theif Baby)
I don't like rap that much really, sorry. It's the only musical form 
that does nothing for me. (Kinda like It's the Jerry Louis Of Medern
music) And I really Shouldn't be typing since I can't spell---^^^^^^
                                            Thumper One
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Warren Peace   
Date & Time: 01/20/91 16:57:59
Message Number 11367

Hello folk, I was hoping to get a little plug in here, so here goes...
 
   It's been up for about a month, so I have all the bugs worked out of 
it, and I just finished setting up A twin message base, so that the 
kiddies can play in their own little raunchy area, and you all who are a
little more adult (?) can have some areas for you without da distraction
of garbage posts, and Really rude people. 
   When you call you will have little access to messages for no longer
than 24 hours, I will then Verify you and put you in the according area.
For those of you who may be a little twisted, you can also have access
to the Kids area, where you can scrap with the rats.
                            SO!!!
 Call Warren Peace BBS 378-1328 N,8,1 300/1200/2400 24 hours
For the Off kilter-Furrite-New aged-Techno-MIDI'ed-REAL POSTING-user
  Chat me 24 hours a day-I might answer...
                 ****************
                 * Warren Peace *
                 *   378-1328   *
                 ****************        Sysop- Thumper One
                      Thanks
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: unprovoked att 
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:18:52
Message Number 11368

SS>Gimme a break. 
 
Ok, hold out your neck.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:19:53
Message Number 11369

Yep.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:20:16
Message Number 11370

SS>...I keep forgetting that your /so/ much smarter than the rest of
SS>us.  My apologies. 
 
Accepted.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:21:18
Message Number 11371

SS> Oh, excuse me for mis-quoting you.  Like you didn't just /do/ that
SS> about five minutes ago?  Hypocrite.
 
On the contrary...I never mis-quoted you.  I took the quote out of c
context, yes, but it was an accurate quote.  Yes, I'm a hypocrite. And
I'm a bigot, too...what's your point? 
  
Besides...don't change the subject.  Excuses, excuses.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:23:25
Message Number 11372

Oh, picky, picky.  My statement, "They wouldn't take him." says it all.
DISQUALIFIED.
 
SS>Oh, my God, the Specialist attacking from a [sic] incorrect premise.
 
Wrong agian, Scot. 
 
SS> Ooooops.
 
Exactly.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:25:54
Message Number 11373

"Tangerine Dream"...you mean that someone else actually listens to that?
My roomate used to listen to thier stuff...oh, man...way mellow.  "Fall
Asleep" type stuff.  He loves it, though.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: New Weapons    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:29:15
Message Number 11374

What is it with you and Hamsters?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:29:45
Message Number 11375

TS>...cripple.
R>Well, I didn't know he had a back back before I posted that message.
 
Well, to watch him, you wouldn't know.   Luckily, workmans comp doesn't 
watch him too closely.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Cover music    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:33:56
Message Number 11376

R> dissapointed...ya had no Vanilla Ice (duckin large objects).
 
(Taking careful aim with large pointed object....)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:44:04
Message Number 11377

>Go ahead, give some concrete reasons of why NOT to go to war.
 
Um...because it's not our war and not our country, and for that matter
not even an ally of ours? I don't see where every act of agression the
world over is our problem, even if the aggressor is Hussein. It also
doesn't help that we're in this for the wrong reasons. If Kuwait
had been a generic third-world country, nobody in this country
would care what hapened to it. The only thing that invoked our interest
in the situation was the fact that Kuwait produces a lot of oil. Don't
EVEN drag issues of freedom and liberty into this; freedom and liberty
only seem to be an issue when the country being oppressed has something
we need and its leadership isn't convenient. Does that answer your
question?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:50:44
Message Number 11378

>Anally retentive and over-active hormones.
>Sounds like a serious case.
>You're beginning to worry me.
 
Hey! What's wrong with over-active hormones?? You sayin' that if
Nastassia Kinski presented herself to YOU on an iceberg you wouldn't
be able to (pardon) rise to the occasion? Man, I'm sorry. You should
see a doctor.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give Peace     
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:53:04
Message Number 11379

>Are you sure you're not over-rating it a little?
 
Well...how 'bout "cute and cliched"?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:54:11
Message Number 11380

>Good job, Turtle.
 
(Turtle takes a bow)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic and You 
Date & Time: 01/20/91 17:58:07
Message Number 11381

>Perhaps you would care to explain *this* wild claim?
 
If you insist. The United States has a long history of working itself
into a moral outrage over the slightest human rights transgressions
only when it's convenient to do so. We tolerate the most outrageous
types of abuse whenever we stand to gain from it; look at the shit
we put up with from the likes of Chile's dictatorship because they
say they're anti-Communist. Who cares of Pinochet enjoys doing things
like machine-gunning villages? Hey,he's anti-Communist, and everyone
knows that if you're anti-Communist you must be good! Look at the
outrageous behavior we let Israel get away with in the occupied
territories 'cause they're on our side. If someone else--Grenada, say,
pulled that sort of crap, we'd be on their backs so fast they'd
never know what hit 'em--and we'd feel GOOD about it, too. It
bothers me that this country is as hypocritical as it is about
human rights issues, and it pisses me off that NOBODY ELSE SEEMS
TO CARE. Don't EVEN talk to me about human-rights abuses in Kuwait.
Kuwait didn't have that good a track record /before/ they got invaded,
but they were a valuable source of oil before so it didn't matter.
Moral outrage just doesn't cut it with me, especially when it isn't
consistent.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:08:32
Message Number 11382

>No, not even cute.  Corny.  Dull.  Trite.  Outdated.
 
Cute.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:09:44
Message Number 11383

>So what? The assembler I worked with had a move subroutine, too!
>It was built into the ROM.
 
Addimg more code: setup, call, ROM routine, return...Z-80 does it
with one *instruction*. Hmph.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: BBS            
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:10:53
Message Number 11384

>Feeling a little persecuted, are we?
 
Hmph.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:12:22
Message Number 11385

VOOP! VOOP! VOOP!  NS ALERT!
 
And just where, pray tell, did you see anything from /me/ indicating
that I supported the sanctions? I believe this message is the first one
I have typed that even contains the word. Sanctions, schmanctions.
I have always favored simply assassinating Hussein. His entire war
effort is being held together by him alone. Remove him, and you've
solved half the problem already, without using two hundred thousand
troops and thousands of tons of high explosives. The simplest
solution is usually the best.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:15:00
Message Number 11386

>So, who the hell is Spider Robinson?
 
A Canadian writer. Why?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:16:44
Message Number 11387

>New cheerleading section...blather, blather...stand next to you...
>blah, blah, blather...
 
Cheerleading schmeerleading. He just recognizes when I'm right,
(Sneer)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:24:39
Message Number 11388

Hey, *I* like Tangerine Dream, and don't fall asleep either. I can
see where someone without the ability to appreciate the subtlty and
depth of a pure musical form might lose interest and wander away,
though.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Blargh         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:26:12
Message Number 11389

This is not a reply. Fingers slipped.
===========

From: RICHARD D           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: messages       
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:35:51
Message Number 11390

If I was going after a prize buck
the best weapon to use is what I used in the past, which is a old fashio
n 50 cal. black powder mussel 
loader, hell you only get one shotif you miss the deer he gets away with
out being hurt, if you hit him I don't care were he is coming down, You 
have very short range so weapon is safe in areas were there may be homes
and it also gives the deer a half a change, now that is sport and one 
hell of a challenge!!!!
===========

From: RICHARD D           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: messages       
Date & Time: 01/20/91 18:43:09
Message Number 11391

torturing is not morally wrong and is enjoyed very much if you are doing
it to HUSSIEN of IRAQ!!!
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: yellow snow    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 19:53:37
Message Number 11392

Well, I'm from the suburbs in Pennsylvania myself. We had two qualifiers
built upon the "Yellow Snow" theory that determined your IQ. If you
happened to eat yellow snow, you were "Just a Dummy". But, if you ate
yellow snow that actually spelled out something, you were "Beyond
Salvation". 
Think about it.
  
                                    T
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 19:59:07
Message Number 11393

Jeez, you have me at a disadvantage, there. I vaguely remember the 
episode, but can only remember the name of the challenge, I think. Was 
that called the Pawn Far, or something similar? I do remember the high
priestess officiating, and remember she was in one or more of the ST
movies, too. About the only other thing I remember from that episode was
that the air was real thin, and Bones had to give Jim a shot of tri-ox
compound to make him breathe better, but didn't tell him that he also
laced it with a drug to make it appear that Kirk died in the attempt to
fight Spock.
                                    LLAP  _\\//
  
                                          T
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: ok             
Date & Time: 01/20/91 20:06:35
Message Number 11394

>T>I like it! Precise, to the point, succint, says it all! Thanks!
  
>Welcome.
  
Whoa! Deja-vu! Have you been in this place before, or in a previous 
life?
  
                                   T
===========

From: SINDAR              
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: your handle    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 21:31:25
Message Number 11395

  So Thumper, what are you trying to say? You have this 'hamster' with
you now? Oh, right, I remember, you said your hamster died. No wonder!
After the way you ate at Wags you probably scarfed(or snarfed) all its
food and it stareved to death.
 
                    Sindar
===========

From: SINDAR              
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/20/91 21:34:59
Message Number 11396

  I agree Thump, so far, I have noticed a lot of the rap songs have
used other performers songs and just added their voice to them but
in no form on the cassette(That I have noticed) do I see any credit
given to the true performer. TRUE, a lot of the songs sound better the
second time around but still... the first performer DID make the song
so credit should be given. Thats my point and I'm outta here.
 
                                 Sindar
===========

From: SINDAR              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/20/91 21:38:58
Message Number 11397

  I dont know... my brother is in this war so my comments may be 
predejuce(sp?) but I feel that Bush want control over Kuwait with the 
same form of government that the UN has put over Germany. A multi-
ruled country by free countries. Bush figures that even if he gets 
part of Kuwait or even Traq then he will be set. Welp buddy, ,if it
means losing my brother for some oil, then I would rather pay the 
$1.20 I have to now. We did not vote this war dictator into office
to bring us into war. We didn't even have a poll or vote to see if
we wanted to go to war. If this is a country by the people and for the
people, then I think the government best start thinking OF the people.
 
                          Sindar
===========

From: SINDAR              
To: RICHARD D           
Subject: messages       
Date & Time: 01/20/91 21:47:01
Message Number 11398

  I do agree if I got my hands on Hussien that indeed I would rip
out variuos major organs but still... the Americans have done their
own type of tourtering to Iraqi POW already. They have not feed them or 
given them water and medical attention. But, th eAmericans POW's are b
begin treated with better respect. Have we become a country of "Tourter
first before you get tourted" or have we NO respect for any type of war
"rules" set by the UN. If the Iraqis DO start using their gas warfare, 
then I'll disagree with myself and think they should get tourtered but
now? No.
 
                  Sindar
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:16:57
Message Number 11399

 The Lady In Black is back! Long time no see...
 
  You just keep popping in and out all the time. Are you sticking around
from now on?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:19:41
Message Number 11400

> It's just cute.
 
  At least a lot of interesting celebrities are on the song, despite
the fact that the sentiment doesn't fit today. And as you know, I like 
John Lennon. I can imagine someone like Tyler sitting there with mock 
shock on his face... oh well. It was cute when it was NEW too. At least 
its the onlyrecord I've ever heard with the word "masturbation" on it. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:27:07
Message Number 11401

> That's not just a little bit prejudiced, it is?
 
  Woah! The last thing I thought I'd ever do was defend The Specialist, 
but could it be YOU who have misinterpreted the comment? He never said 
anything about blacks. He just said he thought the music was a mating
call for the "lower species" (I believe that's correct). I don't think
that he meant to impl anything about black people. I've seen quite a 
number of white people with those ghod-awful booming radios on wheels. 
Maybe he did mean something along your lines, but I'm just suggesting 
that you should give him the benefit of the doubt.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: I'm baaaaaack  
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:40:45
Message Number 11402

> Hello
>> Hello and a double hello.
 
  Another hello and a reverse layered quote.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:42:17
Message Number 11403

> It's the only musical form that does nothing for me.
 
  Rap is okay sometimes, but it doesn't do much for me. Maybe a little 
minute iota of something somewhere... what really does nothing for me is
country music. Ooops, it does do something, it bores me to death. Some 
of it isn't bad, its just I can't stand it for extended periods of time.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give Peace     
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:47:02
Message Number 11404

> Well...how 'bout "cute and cliched"?
 
   Sounds about right. At least the good parts of the song that have a 
nice message had NOTHING to do with the theme song. I guess that's what 
happens when you take a spontaneously written song and rewrite the 
lyrics intentionally.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:50:45
Message Number 11405

> Pawn Far.
 
  No, Pon Phar is the name of the Vulcan mating urge every seven years. 
I'm not sure what the name of the CHALLENGE was, but I do remember the 
name of the officiator, she was T'Pring.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace     
Date & Time: 01/21/91 00:55:25
Message Number 11406

> ...had NOTHING to do with the theme song.
 
   Didn't you mean to say theme OF the song? I knew you did.
 
  Didn't you steal this idea from Turtle? I knew you did.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: My handle....  
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:05:02
Message Number 11407

Yeah. Right. BULLSHIT!!!
I find that awfully hard to swallow.  (choke, cough, gag, cough, cough, 
gag,gag, choke, gag, cough, gag,choke,choke, gag, choke....any of this 
sinking it?....choke, gag, cough... spit.. whew! finally can breath 
again.) 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: humming bird   
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:13:14
Message Number 11408

That's too bad.  I hope to see her again around here.  It would be nice 
to get a woman's point of view on some of the things discussed here.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:15:19
Message Number 11409

R> Well, I didn't know that he a bad back before I posted that message.
   
Hey, don't worry about it. No offense taken. 
   
  Scum...
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: unprovoked att 
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:21:02
Message Number 11410

SS> Gimme a break.
  
TS> Ok, hold out your neck. 
  
I've heard you use that joke at least a hundred times. Now /that/
joke is embarassingly old. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:26:46
Message Number 11411

Bullshit.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:27:24
Message Number 11412

Ego! Ego Alert! Watch The Specialist's head is swelling!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:35:19
Message Number 11413

T>Freedom and libery...isue when the country being oppressed has 
something we need....Does that answer your question?
  
No. We still bought oil from Hussien, so if he take over Kuwait then we
would still be getting oil. Instead of two countries to purchase from 
we'd have one ruler over one(?) country, or one country and it's 
providence. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:38:41
Message Number 11414

T> Nastassia Kinski presented herself to YOU on an iceberg you wouldn't
T> be able to rise to the occasion? 
   
I would. But I don't discuss sexual fantasies in detail on a BBS. 
You never know who's reading this. A little healthy paranoia.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:42:09
Message Number 11415

SS> GOOd job Turtle.
   
T> (Turtle takes a bow)
   
And the crowd goes wild!  
         
        
Except for the Specialist that is.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: yellow snow    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:49:53
Message Number 11416

Nothing to think about.  You're right. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:51:16
Message Number 11417

Poor attempt for such a big Trekkie. I'm disappointed.
Pawn Far was the name of the Vulcan Fever. 
The name of the challenge was The Califee
The name of the Vulcan official was Da-pow.
Spock's wife-to-be was De-pring.
The man she wanted was named Ston. 
Ring /any/ bell?
Pleas say that it does, reassure me that you have some redeeming 
qualities.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/21/91 01:58:45
Message Number 11418

B> could it be YOU who have misinterpreted the comment?
    
NO. I live with him. I know him much better than you. 
B> I'm just suggesting that you should give him the benefit of the doubt
  
No, again. He IS talking about black people, but I don't totally blame 
him for /that/ attitude. His dad drilled it into him.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 02:03:06
Message Number 11419

B> country music...
   
Oh man, I wished you hadn't written those two words. Now the Specialist
is never going to stop spewing. He hates that stuff with a passion. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 02:05:37
Message Number 11420

Thanks for the correction on the spelling of Pon Phar. 
   
B> I do remember the name of the officiator, she was T'Pring. 
   
Wrong. That's was T'pau (I think that's correct, this time.) T'Pring was
Spock's bride-to-be.  Besides, I don't ask for the name of the Vulcan 
seven-year urge. But, again, thanks for the correct spelling.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 14:04:36
Message Number 11421

>It's the only musical form that does nothing for me.
 
I find all of two rap songs moderatly interesting, and I forgot which
ones.  Of course, I do love thge musak version of "Pump Up the Volume,"
which I heard in a Publix some while back...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/21/91 14:17:20
Message Number 11422

>Bullshit.
 
And a dog's spleen on your head!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:50:03
Message Number 11423

>No, not even cute.  Corny.  Dull.  Trite.  Outdated.
 
>Cute.
 
 No, not even cute.  Corny, dull, trite and outdated.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:51:42
Message Number 11424

Oh, good.  Perhaps you should take over the war effort.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:52:14
Message Number 11425

>{dull quote...blah, blah]
>                Spider Robinson.
 
TS> So, who the hell is Spider Robinson?
 
>A Canadian writer.  Why?
  
Who the heck cares what some CANADIAN WRITER thinks?!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:54:21
Message Number 11426

>Cheerleading schmeerleading...
  
My, what an original comeback!
 
>He just recognizes when I'm right.  (Sneer)
 
So do I.  Do ya suppose I could get him to cheer for me, too?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:56:20
Message Number 11427

T>Hey, *I* like Tangering Dream, 
 
Figures.
 
T>...subtly and depth of a pure musical form...
 
What has that got to do with what we're talking about?  Stick to the
subject.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: yellow snow    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:58:35
Message Number 11428

Hey, Pennsylvania!  I'm from Erie, and I lived in Pittsburgh...what
side are you from?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: ok             
Date & Time: 01/21/91 18:59:48
Message Number 11429

Vuja de - The feeling you've never been here before.
 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:02:48
Message Number 11430

It was stupid when it came out...designed by freaks with no inclination
to be creative. 
 
B>its the onlyrecord I've ever heard with the word "masterbation" on it.
  
Does this hold some significant meaning for you?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:04:27
Message Number 11431

SS>...predjudiced...
B> could it be you who misinterpreted ...?
 
Correct.  I simply was trying to put down the mentality that likes
to listen to loud booming music while simultaneously trying to show
off.  In a similar fashion for Heavy Metal or Rap.  (Course, I would
rather listen to Heavy Metal, but then again, I'd rather have my 
eyeballs peeled and have to stare into bright lights for weeks than
listen to either.) 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:09:24
Message Number 11432

I'm afraid my attempt at a pun was taken seriously... oh well.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:11:39
Message Number 11433

Gimme forty of 'em.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:15:50
Message Number 11434

E.T. was, in fact a sequel.  What did that stand for anyway?  Oh yeah -
The Extra Testicle.  I think it was number three in the series.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/21/91 19:17:54
Message Number 11435

Okay.  You have a right to say that IBMs are really trashy computers. 
But don't expect me to share that view.  Sure, there are better systems
on the market, some prices a hell of a lot more reasonably, I might add.
But IBM still sets a lot of precedents, are still VERY well respected
(at least among SOME), and really deserve credit for being what they are
in the computer world.
2 Live Crew is the worst thing you've ever heard called music?  Well,
Manatee Bar Association had lunch last week listening to 2 Live Crew,
and actually didn't think they were all that bad.  Of course, the lyrics
were dubbed out.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:07:38
Message Number 11438

Spider Robinson is an extremely good science fiction and fantasy
author, considered by many to be in a league with Isaac Asimov,
Arthur Clarke and Robert Heinlein.  Since he writes more short
stories than novels, he isn't as famous outside the sf field.
   I'm not sure that's a terribly useful comment on the quote from
him, though.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:10:40
Message Number 11439

> If we kill him outright, he becomes a martyr and some other cockroach
> pops up to take his place.
 
That argument is a bit of a red herring.  The last "cockroach" over
there was Khomeini; before (and after) him there there was Arafat.
Considering Kuwait's absolutely abysmal human rights record, it is not
unlikely that if Hussein had not moved, the Kuwaiti Emir might have
been considered the next roach.
   If Hussein's military power is broken, he will be taken down by his
own people.  A decade from that, a new dictator appears somewhere else
in the Middle East.
 
It can be argued that killing him outright won't free Kuwait.  It can
also be argued that having Kuwait and Iraq as one country isn't any big
skin off our noses.  We get 5% of our oil from the region; there's no
reason for 90% of the forces to be ours.  And "fighting dictators" is
a pretty damn silly argument, considering the Kuwaiti monarchy is just
as anti-democratic as Iraq.  Fighting to restore them makes as much
sense as fighting on	 Hitler's side in WW II would have if Japan had
attacked them.  "Ooh, Japan is a nasty imperialistic dictatorship, and
it's up to America, as the Bastion	 of Fredom <tm>, to protect the
Fuerher from their naked anti-democractic aggression."  This is logical?
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:21:49
Message Number 11440

> While we wait, he develops nastier weapons.  If the sanctions don't
> work, we have to go in against what he didn't have months ago.
 
He didn't get most of the weapons he's using against us currently by
building them, he got them by buying them from the Soviets (and some
other countries, including defense firms in Germany and the U.S.)  The
threat of nuclear weapons being developed by him in the next six months
is greatly exaggerated -- especially if, during sanctions, he has no
way to import technological items from other countries.  There is no
indication they've progressed at /all/ in Iraq making "the bomb," and
it's not something you can whip up in a few weeks if you don't have
ready access to materials.  (Recall that the only nuclear power plant in
Iraq was bombed by Israel about a decade ago.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:36:10
Message Number 11441

> We still bought oil from Hussein, so if he takes over Kuwait then we
> would still be getting oil.  Instead of two countries to purchase
> from we'd have one ruly over one country ...
 
Okay, granted.  This certainly isn't an argument FOR going to war with
Iraq.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:37:47
Message Number 11442

Actually, the Vulcan official's name was T'Pau (not "Da-pow").  You
only get half-credit if you can't spell the words correctly.  :>
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/21/91 21:39:21
Message Number 11443

> Who the heck cares what some CANADIAN WRITER thinks?!
 
Oh, silly me.  Patriotism is an entirely American concept, and nobody
who is not American can have anything worthwhile to say about it.
 
Look, dude, why don't you go back and READ the damn message before
spewing (and I use that word advisedly) on purpose.  I find discussions,
and even debates, fun, but your statements in this chain are just
silly.
===========

From: CYBERPUNK           
To: ALL                 
Subject: bbs            
Date & Time: 01/22/91 15:30:36
Message Number 11444

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                  300/1200/2400 baud!!!
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 Debate, to Furry, to Feetsball!!!
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===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:13:31
Message Number 11446

>At least its the onlyrecord I've ever heard with the word
>"masturbation" on it.
 
How 'bout Prince's "Purple Rain?" There's a song on it that starts
"I met a girl named Nikki, I guess you could say she was a sex
feind/I met her in a hotel lobby masturbating with a magazine."
Good song, I don't think so. Doesn't even rhyme. Anyway, it's not
technically the same word, but it's pretty close.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:18:13
Message Number 11447

>Instead of two countries to purchase from we'd have one ruler over
>one(?) country...
 
Yeah, but who wants to buy oil from an asshole like Hussein? I say
again: If Kuwait didn't have something we wanted, we'd pay about as
much attention to it as we do to Lebanon.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:20:03
Message Number 11448

>But I don't discuss sexual fantasies in detail on a BBS.
 
Hey, *YOU* came up with the iceberg, dude!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:21:19
Message Number 11449

>Now the Specialist is never going to stop spewing. He hates [country
>music] with a passion.
 
So he **DOES** have some redeeming qualities after all!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:25:29
Message Number 11450

>Oh, good. Perhaps you should take over the war effort.
 
If I took over, there would BE no war effort. Saddam would have an
accident and that would be the end of it. No missiles raining down
on Tel Aviv, no American POW's. This madman needs to catch a bullet.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 16:27:18
Message Number 11451

>Who the heck cares what some CANADIAN WRITER thinks?!
 
The message is valid regardless of the source.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 17:26:16
Message Number 11452

>Do ya suppose I could get him to cheer for me, too?
 
I dunno. Try being right about something. :>
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 17:27:12
Message Number 11453

T>...subtlety and depth of a pure musical form...
 
SP>What has that got to do with what we7re talking about?
 
My point is made.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/22/91 17:28:57
Message Number 11454

Hey, watch that metal bashing. Heavy metal is God's gift to us
mere mortals as an apology for permitting rap upon his creation.
...but we've already established the depth of your musical
appreciation.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/22/91 18:56:01
Message Number 11455

Y'know, I wonder what Hussein thinks when he sees all the US news about
protesters in the streets, trying to keep us from fighting this war.
Do you think that he might feel hopeful that the protesters would have 
an effect on the US govnt like they did in Vietnam?  Do you think that 
he might believe that if he keeps fighting long enough, that he might
be able to get us out, just because the protesters put pressure on the
govnt?  And with this hope in mind, he will continue to fight.
On the other hand, if we all get behind this war movement, he might get
the impression that this country is unified...so that it is unlikely 
that there will be any pressure from home to STOP fighting.  
  
Protesting in the streets gives a mixed view of what America's goals 
are.  It boosts Hussiens morale.  That is the last thing we need.  
THAT is why protesting is damaging the war effort.
  
On a related note, what do you think it does to the soldiers over there
when they see people protesting what they are doing?  They don't see
people saying, "Get the Commander In Chief to stop this war!"  They
see, "Stop fighting!  Get out of the Middle East!"   Don't you think
that hurts thier morale?  Grrr.  
  
By not supporting the war effort, you are hindering the soldier, and 
helping Hussein.  The US Govnt is going to continue to fight, and if
Hussien thinks that he can wear us down, he will continue to fight
longer...and your protesting is what is giving him that hope! 
GET IT?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 19:05:33
Message Number 11456

It wasn't a "terribly useful" quote to start with.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Dictators      
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:40:36
Message Number 11457

M>Having Iraq and Kuwait as one country isn't any skin off our noses,
 
Ok.  Probably not.  But how about having Iraq/Kuwait annex Saudi Arabia?
And then having Iraq/Kuwait/SaudiArabia annex Jordan?  and then Israel?
and then who would be next?  
  
I'm sure that Hussien would not have stopped with Kuwait.  And having 
that madman in charge of the middle east is definately against the best
intrests of the US.  (Oil not withstanding...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Weapons        
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:43:47
Message Number 11458

How do you know?  Importing technology or other materials while 
sanctions are in effect.  Don't tell me that there aren't people out 
there who aren't willing to sell him such resources, and that there
is no way for him to get them.   Just because that "there is not
any indication they have progressed at /all/" doesn't mean that they
haven't.  If *I* was a potential aggressor, *I* certainly wouldn't let
on that I had developed any weapons.  Also, why did the Israelis try to
destroy all nuclear power in Iraq?  They must have had SOME reason.
 
Besides, till this point we've been talking about simply NUCLEAR weapons
and not CHEMICAL weapons.  Ah, now, there's a whole 'nother can of worms
to open.  
 
And last but certainly not least, BIOLOGICAL weapons.  Never know
WHAT you're going to come up with there.  
 
So don't tell me that he couldn't have come up with some other nasty 
suprises within 6 months.  Plenty of time.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:52:54
Message Number 11459

So, ok, then you're saying that oil is totally unimportant?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:54:13
Message Number 11460

What, and leave all his forces intact for the next cockroach to take
over?
 
No way.  Destroy them all.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:57:03
Message Number 11461

Interesting how you believe a message is valid regaurdless of the 
source when it simply states what you already believe.  
Personnally, I agree with what that man said, I simply didn't need
to hear it.  Who cares what some canadian writer thinks?  Who cares
what I think?
  Echo answers in a like fashion.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Scot Steele    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 20:59:22
Message Number 11462

T>I dunno.  Try being right about something.  :>
 
What the heck does that have to do with anything?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PF the Wall    
Date & Time: 01/22/91 21:00:19
Message Number 11463

Your point is made on what? 
 
Oh, never mind.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/22/91 21:01:11
Message Number 11464

Or how shallow yours is.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/23/91 17:49:56
Message Number 11466

R> And a dog's spleen on your head.
  
What was that for? That wasn't even directed towards you.
So butt out.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/23/91 17:51:38
Message Number 11467

>No, not even cute. Corny, dull, trite, and outdated. 
  
>Cute
  
>No. not even cute. Corny, dull, trite, and outdated. 
  
Cute.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/23/91 17:59:33
Message Number 11468

TS> I'd rather have my eyeballs peeled and have to stare into bright 
lights for weeks than listen to either.
  
That could be arranged. Any volunteers to assist?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/23/91 18:04:14
Message Number 11469

My apologies, I just assumed that with your dad's opinions and the fact 
you never challenged him on them. On top of that, you /have/ slammed
black people.  I drew the wrong conclusion. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/23/91 18:07:22
Message Number 11470

Spew..Spew...Spew... Spew...*Yawn*]
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/23/91 18:09:52
Message Number 11471

M> Actually, the Vulcan official's name was T'Pau (not Da-Pow). You
M> only get half-credit if you can't spell the words correctly.
   
I /ask/ the question, and I stated that spelling didn't count.  Who 
elected you referee?  Besides, at the time of psting that message, my 
brain was working at half-power.  (Very late and very tired.)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/23/91 18:17:16
Message Number 11472

T> iceberg. 
   
That, by far, is not a sexual fantasy of mine. I merely suggested that 
situation to see to what extent you'd go to get laid by Nastassia Kinski
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:33:49
Message Number 11474

Hussein is an egomaniac. He believes he can win this war, because God
is on HIS side. If he saw this entire country unified against him,
assuming he (a) speaks English and (b) watches American TV in his
copious spare time (I ferget, does paragon Cable serve Iraq?), it won't
change diddly-squat. He will still believe he can win. If you truly
believe a show of unification is all it'd take to get him out of the
war, I suggest that your view of the war is somewhat naive.
 
Of course, if you take away people's right to protest as you suggest
then we would have no business being in the war at all, since it would
be clear that your ideals of freedom and democracy are irrelevant.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:37:09
Message Number 11475

>So, ok, then you're saying that oil is totally unimportant?
 
I'm saying that concern for 5% of our oil supply is no reason to go to
war. Next question?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:38:15
Message Number 11476

>What, and leave all his forces intact for the next cockroach to take
>over?
 
Hussein is not a typical Middle East dictator. He is the sort of man who
combines intelligence, ego, shrewdness, aggressiveness, and ability in
a way that doesn't come along every day. If you killed him, it's rather
dubious that another person of Hussein's intelligence and aggressiveness
would just walk in off the street to replace him, just like had Hitler
been taken out in 1938 it's very unlikely that someone would have walked
in off the street to fill HIS shoes. Get rid of Hussein, and his war
effort falls apart. It's as easy as that.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:41:41
Message Number 11477

>Personnally, I agree with what that man said, I simply don't
>need to hear it.
 
You are a most unusual man; most people are reluctant to listen to any-
thing that contradicts what they already believe, while you seem to be
unwilling to listen to anything.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:43:46
Message Number 11478

>Or how shallow yours is.
 
Waitaminit...I am willing to listen to a broader range of musical forms
than you are, and patient enough not to wander away from anything that
happens to be relatively subtle, and that gives me SHALLOW musical
taste? Hmm....how would you classify your OWN musical taste, then?
Diverse? Rich? Enquiring minds want to know.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/23/91 23:46:34
Message Number 11479

>I merely suggested that situation to see to what extent you'd go to
>get laid by Nastassia Kinski.
 
Oh. You mean the iceberg was supposed to pose a challenge or something?
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/24/91 02:44:25
Message Number 11481

>What is it with you and hamsters?
 
Sex.
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/24/91 02:50:17
Message Number 11482

I'm from West Chester PA (just outside of Philadelphia). What part of 
the state are you from?
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/24/91 12:11:34
Message Number 11483

Hey Dude! That makes 3 of us from PA. I'm from the southeastern area 
near philly in a place called West Chester.
 
 
 
Pennsylvania....The pothole capitol of the world.
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: CYBERPUNK           
To: ALL                 
Subject: grimoire       
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:06:23
Message Number 11484

Call now!!   the Grimoire!!!   home of PentaCon ][!!!!
813-371-0888!!
300/1200/2400
open 48 hours a day!!
sysop Cyberpunk
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:10:30
Message Number 11485

SS>Cute.
 
Repetitive.  Pathetic.
Predictable.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:11:41
Message Number 11486

SS> 
SS>That could be arranged.  
  
Thank you.  It would, as I said, be preferrable.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:12:34
Message Number 11487

"I'm not prejudiced.  I hate everybody."  - ???
 
  No body can challenge my father's opinions and not be subjected to
one of his mad harrangues.  So, I let him rant.
  I hate everybody, but especially the fags.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:16:06
Message Number 11488

I was merely implying that protesting does */absolutely/* NOTHING to 
help...you STILL didn't address what that poor soldier must think.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:17:38
Message Number 11489

T>I'm saying that concern for 5% of our oil supply is no reason to go
to war.  
 
Ok, if it was *that simple*, I would agree with you 100%!!  BUT IT AINT!
There are a myriad of reasons for us to go over there, and you insist on
taking one and defeating it, and ignoring all the others!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:20:26
Message Number 11490

T>Get rid of Hussien, and his war effort falls apart.  It's as easy as
T>that.
 
Ah, no...I doubt it.  If you really believe that, then I suggest that
*your* view of the war is "naiive".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:21:53
Message Number 11491

T>You are a most unusual man;
 
This from Franklin Veaux?    Hmmm....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:22:56
Message Number 11492

Ok, ok...you aren't shallow.  That was a very bad choice of wording.
Your depth of musical appreciation know no bounds.  Better?
 
I would describe my own as narrow, selective, and biased. I only like
the things that I can listen to.   If I fall asleep, then I can't 
listen to it, obviously.  Or, if I develop a headache (or earache) from
listening to it and have to leave the room for an asprin, I can't 
listen to it.  If I get just plain disgusted with the lyrics and have
to shut it off, well, echo - "I can't listen to it."
  
Hmmm.  Did I miss anything?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:27:32
Message Number 11493

Y'know, this topic came up just a while back, (last year) about some
sort of wierd homopevertual practice of stuffing one in a glove (or 
other rubber container) and stuffing it into an anal cavity...
so, I'd be carefull how I associate hamsters with sex....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/24/91 18:30:09
Message Number 11494

NOx> PA...pothole capitol of the world. 
 
And armpit of America.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/24/91 20:21:30
Message Number 11495

T> Oh. You mean the iceberg was supposed to pose a challenge or 
T> something
    
What? Would you move mountains, too? Well, Turtle, I'm a reasonable man
and I have an offer for you. /You/ move a mountain (a real one, named on
a map) and I'll get you a date with Nastassia Kinski.
Turtle brightens with joy, then reality sets in...ah, man, what a bummer
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/24/91 20:27:26
Message Number 11496

TS> What is it with you and hamsters?
  
NO> Sex
   
Do you do gerbil-stuffing too?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/24/91 20:30:17
Message Number 11497

TS> you STILL didn't address what that poor soldier must think.
   
If I was that poor soldier, I want my country to stand behind me. 
Everybody feels sorry for the P.O.W.'s wife when their crying on TV. But
everybody seems to forget about all the other soldiers already over 
they're too busy protesting Bush.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: war!           
Date & Time: 01/24/91 21:50:26
Message Number 11498

R> And a dog's spleen on your head.
R>
SS> What was that for? That wasn't even directed towards you.
SS> So butt out.
 
What was that for?  Uhh...you said bullshit and I said "dog's spleen..."
It was just a fit of sillyness.  I'll stop being silly.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/24/91 21:52:28
Message Number 11499

>Cute.
 
All I am saaaying is give me a break...
 
Ack...I HATE THAT SONG.  Call me silly but what does acid rain and
house rock have to do with world peace?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/25/91 00:46:03
Message Number 11500

>...you STILL didn't address what the poor soldier must think.
 
News flash--you can protest the WAR while still supporting the PEOPLE
involved. If I were the "poor soldier," I would think, Hey, these
people don't want to see me and my compatriots get killed.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/25/91 00:47:32
Message Number 11501

Oh, I quite agree there are a number of reasons why we're over there,
most of them bad. There's the economic imperative (we have to protect
a small fragment of our oil supply!), the peace and justice imperative
(this war is for peace, honest!), the liberty imperative (we have to
liberate a country with the worst human rights record in the area, so
that the Emir can come back and set up his secret police again and start
oppressing his subjects, particularly women, again!), the lost
face imperative (hey, what's more important, a few thousand lives or
America's pride?)...why, I could go on and on.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/25/91 00:50:58
Message Number 11502

>Hmmm. Did I miss anything?
 
'If the singer is moaning about how his wife left him and took his
dog and his truck, in a nasal, twangy voice, I can't listen to it.'
How'z that?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/25/91 00:52:00
Message Number 11503

>...homopervertual...
 
What an AMAZING word! You have a gift.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: This BBS       
Date & Time: 01/25/91 00:53:39
Message Number 11504

...is enduring the wrenching trauma of software hacking, as you've
all probably noticed. I'm in the process of writing an new front-end
and a FidoNet mailer for the system, hence the small technical
difficulties of late. The system may be unavailable during modification,
most particularly on weekends when I have time to work on it, and
may have a few small problems until I get everything finished and
working. Until then, bear with it, please...
 
Procedural note: When you connect, you don't get a Press Return
right away; the system spends fifteen seconds waiting for the start
of a netmail session. If you start hitting Return as soon as you connect
you will still get through OK; or, you can wait for the Press Return
message and hit return then. Either way, it'll work.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/25/91 01:27:06
Message Number 11505

I think YOU most definitely understood me!  I never accused you of
ducking armed service.  Spewing in ignorance is something I tend never
to do.  
         You "have a Day"
                   The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/25/91 01:28:43
Message Number 11506

It's nice to see you again, too...I come back and woooosh...hit by
all the original assholes! :>  How I missed you....
                 The Lady
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/25/91 16:27:34
Message Number 11508

That's right about the Pon Phar. But that's WHY they were there in the
first place, to take care of Spock's mating urge. Now, I remember! The
name of the episode was "Amok Time". And you're right about T'Pring. She
was in that episode and I think the first movie, where we saw Spock 
taking his "final vows" as a true Vulcan, when something came into his
consciousness about being needed by the Enterprise and Star Fleet.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/25/91 16:32:44
Message Number 11509

> reassure me that you have some redeeming qualities.
  
Geez! I was told when I first signed on here to attack ideas, not people
Guess us latter day signers-on don't get the priveleges of those of you
before us.
Yes, I remember the Califee and Ston, and as I wrote just now to Beatle,
the name of the episode was "Amok Time". And I think we are all a little
off on the two women. One was T'Pow and the other D'Pring, just which 
was which??
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/25/91 16:37:33
Message Number 11510

>from Erie, and I lived in Pittsburgh...
  
Boy, you just split the difference and I'm there!! I'm from Hermitage,
Exit One on I-80. About halfway from either Erie or Pittsburgh. I know
Pittsburgh a bit better than Erie, though. Used to visit a computer 
repair center there quite often when we got our first TeleVideo system.
Boy! We thought we were hot stuff with 40 megs, C/PM operating system, 
and 5 terminals, two of which actually did graphics!! Oooooo!! Fancy-
dancy!! Eh?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/25/91 16:43:37
Message Number 11511

West Chester, eh? I've been there, too. But as you might have seen in 
the reply to The Specialist, I'm from Hermitage, Exit One on I-80. About
3 miles from the Ohio border.
  
I DO remember a long weekend with a redhead in Philly, though...........
.........Hmm? Oh, sorry. Lost my train of thought there for a moment.
She was from Houston, TX and had NEVER even HEARD of cheese steaks. Can
you believe it??
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Tangerine Drm  
Date & Time: 01/25/91 17:54:10
Message Number 11512

>Fall asleep type stuff...
  Not anymore. Go get one of their last two albums. Now its "Keep you 
awake and jittery" music. I like 'em. And I also have a little thingy 
for Yanni, and Vangelis, and John Tesh, Flim And The BB's, Sting, I
dunno, that's just the off the wall stuff. I REALLY go for Rush and Yes.
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Hamsters.      
Date & Time: 01/25/91 17:56:48
Message Number 11513

>What is it with you and Hamsters?
  Dunno, tey're kinda cute, an' fuzzy. I just like Hamster Jokes( The
Sicker the better :) That's just me. You like Weapons. I like hamsters.
  Nice Analogy no? (please don't take it wrong. I don't want another
"Ooops WRong person" Session.) Heh heh :)
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: SINDAR              
Subject: Hamster Snarfin
Date & Time: 01/25/91 18:01:58
Message Number 11514

I do NOT snarf Hamster. Their Fur Irritates...
===========

From: THUMPER 1           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Vulcan Bastige 
Date & Time: 01/25/91 18:05:58
Message Number 11515

Wasn't her favorite Game Show Wheel Of Vulcan? No no, that's not it, um
Ok, here's a sick one. She's on the rag, and( SORRY! I don't know how to
state that in a polte way! Can't spell that damn word... mens ,ems menst
 what ever. And besides, this board NEEDS a little insensitive MACHOness
on it. So there.) And she asks Ston to go to the Vulcan drug store and
buy her some Tam-Pon Fars!!! Ok I'll hang my head in shame. I hope  you
can forgive me.....(grovel grovel)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Tangerine Drm  
Date & Time: 01/25/91 23:09:16
Message Number 11517

I need to stop by one day and give you about 100 blank audio tapes so 
you can alter the magnetic bits
for me.
 
Copy?  Who said copy?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/25/91 23:12:37
Message Number 11518

Good morning, I'm now the lucky owner of a TRS-80 model 100 computer and
I'm using it to call your BBS since someone is on my other line using
the BBS.  Talk about your nice 40x8 line displays.  But, it has a 
scrollback of EIGHT lines.  Wow!  Now all I need is to get Raven's 
accoustic modem and I'll be all
set for BBS fun at the local 7-11.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:10:05
Message Number 11519

> T'Pring.... Wrong. That's was T'pau... thank...
 
  And thanks go back to you. You're right. I got those two mixed up. 
Some of my only trivia tidbits from the original show that I remember 
and I screwed them up! By the way, T'pau was spelled correctly. Who 
spelled it Da- something a few messages ago? I was going by the theory 
that all Vulcan males had names that begin with S (Sarek, Spock, Ston) 
and all females began with T' (T'Pring, T'Pau), but that idea was 
shattered when they introduced a female Vulcan doctor on TNG named Dr. 
Selar (sp?)
 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Vanilla Ice    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:14:31
Message Number 11520

> ...musak version of "Pump Up the Volume,"...
 
  For a minute there, I thought you said "Pump Up the Jam", which would
have been much funnier. Actually, "Pump Up the Volume" probably does 
sound reasonably good as musak, as long as its not orchestrated.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:16:22
Message Number 11521

> No, not even cute.  Corny, dull, trite and outdated.
 
  Okay, I'll give you outdated any time, but dull and trite don't fly 
that easily. Corny is borderline. You have to give credit that these 
people had good intentions when they set out to do this.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:18:46
Message Number 11522

> Who the heck cares what some CANADIAN WRITER thinks?!
 
  Who the heck cares what some EX-ARMY SPECIALIST thinks?!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:20:13
Message Number 11523

> Does this hold some significant meaning for you?
 
  Not really, but you must admit it's unique. Do you hold things often?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:21:14
Message Number 11524

> I'd rather have my eyeballs peeled and have to stare into bright 
> lights for weeks than listen to either.
 
  I have yet to hear what music you DO like. Please enlighten us.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:24:42
Message Number 11525

> Gimme forty of 'em.
 
  Forty what? Forty licks? Forty Pon Phars? Naw, not Pon Phars, that 
would make you 280 years old... then again, are YOU a Vulcan? They live 
to be much older than that...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:26:06
Message Number 11526

> E.T. was, in fact a sequel.
 
  Didn't we see that before??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:28:17
Message Number 11527

> theres no reason for 90% of the forces to be ours...
 
  I was thinking about that. Surely, someone is bound to pop up and say
"But someone had to do something!" Yeah, sure, but aren't there other 
countries that would have more problems with the situation? Why does our
country have to be big and bol? Why doesn't someone else do something? 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:32:03
Message Number 11528

> Anyway, it's not technically the same word, but it's pretty close.
 
  Okay, so there's another record out there with a word form of that 
particular word. It doesn't qualify under my statement though since I've
never heard that record (or anyting much by Prince at all)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:35:59
Message Number 11529

  Your point is taken about the anti-war protests lowering the troops'
morales, but I don't buy the idea about Hussein. Granted, that's very 
likely, but neither you or I have any idea how anything thats going on 
affects Sadaam.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:40:41
Message Number 11530

> Or how shallow yours is.
 
  I can't comment on your musical tastes, since you've never mentioned
what you actually like, but I can agree somewhat with what you said 
about Turtle. I say somewhat because I haven't got too much insight into
what he listens to. I do know that a lot of his tape collection is 
pretty much the same type of music, but I've noticed that he tends to 
like the best of that category. A lot of heavy metal that Turtle listens
to actually sounds good to me, which is pretty odd since I generally
hate it...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:44:17
Message Number 11531

> Any volunteers to assist?
 
 I would consider it, but I'd much rather be paid minimum wage.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:45:28
Message Number 11532

> Who elected you referee?
 
  It was a joke. Didn't you notice the :> at the end of his message?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:47:25
Message Number 11533

> I ferget, does paragon Cable serve Iraq?
 
  I like that. Then again, every time I post an "I like that" message, 
it goes unnoticed, so I guess this one will too.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Addictions.    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:50:47
Message Number 11534

> You mean the iceberg was supposed to pose a challenge or something?
 
  Or something.
 
  (Gee, aren't I in a bad mood tonight)... 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:52:55
Message Number 11535

> Repetitive.
 
  Mmmm, somewhat.
 
> Pathetic.
 
  In a small sense. Maybe for Cindi Lauper.
 
> Predictable.
 
  Not really.
 
 
  Won't this thread be fun when we've forgotten what we're talking about
?????
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:55:39
Message Number 11536

> There are a myriad of reasons for us to go over there...
 
  And he wasn't addressing them at that time because you asked him why
oil wasn't a good enough reason to go to war.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Arabic         
Date & Time: 01/26/91 00:57:02
Message Number 11537

> Ah, no...I doubt it.
 
  Then what is your view on the war so I may contrast it with Turtle's.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/26/91 01:00:31
Message Number 11538

> ...what does acid rain and house rock have to do with world peace?
 
  Absoulutely NOTHING. Nobody addressed the fact of "inconsitency" yet.
The original had nothing to do with peace except the chorus. This 
version is a bit more socially conscious, though. 
 
  I do like it for one nice reason: They put the lyric "New Kids dance 
on MTV," among REALLY bad things. :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Tangerine Drm  
Date & Time: 01/26/91 01:08:09
Message Number 11539

> Copy?  Who said copy?
 
  Not I. And that Gremlin didn't drink the brain potion.
 
 
 
  (Okay, that made no sense, but I liked it anyway).
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 11:35:58
Message Number 11540

Thanks for the warning. Somebody asked about 'em and that was the best 
answer I could think of (in jest of course).
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/26/91 11:37:50
Message Number 11541

>> PA...pothole capitol of the world.
> And armpit of the world.
 
Hey... watch it, I like PA. There's some beautiful country up there. The
fall season's the best.
 
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 11:40:55
Message Number 11542

TS> What is it with you and hamsters?
NO> Sex.
SS> Do you do gerbil stuffing too?
I plead the fifth ammendment...
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: near the border
Date & Time: 01/26/91 11:47:46
Message Number 11543

Was it possible to avoid taxes on anything by going to Ohio for your 
shopping?
Deleware doesn't have a state tax. My parents got all sortsa stuff there
.
Never heard of a cheesesteak? Sheesh! That's one of my favorite foods!
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: near the border
Date & Time: 01/26/91 14:29:34
Message Number 11544

>Was it possible to avoid taxes
  
Yes, it's quite nice on some things, but difficult on others. For 
example, Booze is quite inexpensive in Ohio as compared to the state
stores in Pa. But in Ohio, you PAY taxes on things like clothes and some
foodstuffs not taxed in Pa. Also, when I was growing up, you could get
low-powered beer in Ohio at 18 as opposed to 21 in Pa.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/26/91 14:38:50
Message Number 11545

>> PA...pothole capital of the world
>> And armpit of the world.
  
I'll agree with the first statement about the potholes, but as far as
armpits go, it has always been "Newark, NJ - Armpit of the universe"
  
And you're right about the fall season, but I like late February and
March. "Cause then I can go back in the woods and dtart tapping maple 
trees for sap. Nothin' like homemade maple syrup. Even if it does take
forever.
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BURNEY              
Subject: nosedive!      
Date & Time: 01/26/91 19:14:40
Message Number 11546

   And you say you don't respond on a regular basis. We were talking 
about copy guard busters about two weeks ago. Geeeze.....busy-busy-busy.
Anyway....what's new???? Probably everything...hehe
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/26/91 19:16:45
Message Number 11547

>Brave Sir Robin is still mine favorite.
  
Welp, I'm tossed between the rabbit and the Black Knight. 
"It's only a scratch."
      			                  "No it's not! I've cut your bloody arm off!!!
"No you didn't!!!"
                         "Yes I did!!"
"Did not!!!"
                          "Well, then what's that lying there?"
"Well...I've been hurt worse."
  
Great flick!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: marriage       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 19:19:33
Message Number 11548

>"Some men are fools, the rest are bachelors."
  
Oh well...guess that puts me in my place. I always liked a friend of
mine's coffee mug at work:
  
"If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't come back to you,
 hunt it down and kill it."
  
Good stuff. My mug just has teeny-tiny-small lettering on one side
that if you squint real hard you can read saying:
       "Nosey little fucker aren't you?"
  
Oh well..to each his own.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:14:54
Message Number 11549

R>Ack...I HATE THAT SONG.  Call me silly but what does acid rain and
R>house rock have to do with world peace?
 
Absolutely nothing.  It was a pathetic attempt at dressing up an 
outdated song for the sole purpose of protesting, not to mention that
it made money for the artists involved.  Altruism...bullshit.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:17:42
Message Number 11550

T>News flash--you can protest the WAR while still supporting the T
T>PEOPLE involved.
 
Yeah, yeah, I heard you the first 12 times. Your needle's stuck.  Get 
off it and address my point!  That soldier doesn't get an adequate news
report while he's in the field.  He can't tune into CNN.  I don't think
that he would get the impression that people were concerned about his
health.  All he sees is "Get out of the Middle East!  Stop fighting!"
And even if he *did* manage to get the message that you were concerned
for him, it isn't going to do him any good, when you want him to come
home, he wants to come home, but his CO says to stay.  All your noise
that your protesting makes isn't gonna do diddly squat for the govnt's
opinion, so might as well stop bothering people.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:23:18
Message Number 11551

T>Oh, I quite agree there are a number of reasons...
T>spew, spew, distorted view, inaccurate summation, spew, spew....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:24:21
Message Number 11552

T>'If the singer is moaning about...wife...dog...pickup truck...nasal,
T>twangy voice, I can't listen to it.'
 
Ah, yes, but one more thing...rain, jail, trains.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:26:22
Message Number 11553

TS>...homopervertual...
 
T>What an AMAZING word!  You have a gift.  
 
Yes, for expression.  Thank you.  Did I mention my gift for accurate 
speaking?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: WAR            
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:29:17
Message Number 11554

BM> ...hit by all the original assholes!  :>  How I missed you...
 
Aye, and I thee, m'lady.  I am touched, indeed.  Hmmm.  Somehow, I 
wonder if that statement was going to end, 
 
"How I missed you...with that bazooka, I'll never figure out."
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:35:40
Message Number 11555

Conneaut Lake Park!  Exit 36, I-79 (?)    Used to go there all the time
for the school functions.  Hermatige.  Hmmm...sounds so familiar.
 
  Yep, you *were* hot stuff...back then.  Ooh, graphics?  Wow!  I used t
to think I was pretty cool with my Apple...Top of the line in 1983.  
Beat the TRS-80's all hollow as far as graphics went.  As a matter of 
fact, nothing comes to mind that was better.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:46:08
Message Number 11556

These people had good intentions...bullshit.  Wonder how much they got
paid for thier appearances.  Corny.  Superfluous.  What does acid rain
have to do with peace?  Bull.   Dull, trite...you trying to tell me that
the song was fascinating or interesting?  That the concept behind it was
new and exciting?  No.  No.
 
Corny, dull, trite and outdated.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:51:55
Message Number 11557

B>Who cares...
 
My point exactly.  His words are no more than mine.  The answer to 
both is identical.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: War Pigs       
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:53:18
Message Number 11558

B>...you must admit it's unique.
 
I'll admit it's perverted.  
 
B>Do you hold things often?
 
Can you be a bit more specific?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:55:10
Message Number 11559

B> I have yet to hear...enlighten us.
 
Changed pronouns there, Beatle.
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: booze          
Date & Time: 01/26/91 20:50:02
Message Number 11560

Deleware was a great place to buy booze, no taxes. What is 'low-powered'
beer? 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: good things    
Date & Time: 01/26/91 20:53:33
Message Number 11561

yeah, newark NJ is the armpit of the world.
I don't particularly care for maple syrup, but I know what you mean by 
good things from the earth.
I used to live about 6 miles from the Brandywine river, where there was 
a spring. Mmmmmmmm talk about good water!! Even on hot days, the water 
was ice cold. 
I also liked to buy honey from one of the local beekeepers. 
 
-- a 100% natural
Night Owl
===========

From: CHAZ                
To: ALL                 
Subject: SCBBS PICNICK! 
Date & Time: 01/26/91 21:41:06
Message Number 11562

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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/27/91 07:59:42
Message Number 11563

Hell if I know.  I traced that back to 11433, and hell if I know what
I asked for.  
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Earth stuff    
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:00:51
Message Number 11564

??> E.T. was, in fact a sequel.
??>
b> Didn't we see that before?
 
Look, I don't know what the hell's going on, but I KNOW *I* didn't post
that message.  You sure you are addressing your mail to the correct 
individual?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:03:57
Message Number 11565

B> neither you or I have any idea how anything thats goin on 
B>affects Sadaam. 
 
Ok, ya got me.  But, I would like to see anything that encourages him 
eliminated.  Period.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:05:17
Message Number 11566

B> A lot of heavy metal that Turtle listens to actually sounds good to
B> me, which is pretty odd since I generally hate it...
 
Hmmm?  Really?  Perhaps you could suggest something for me to sample?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:06:48
Message Number 11567

>Who elected you referee?
 
B>It was a joke.  Didn't you notice the :> at the end of his message?
 
I'm not sure that Scot (being a relative newcomer to BBSing) is 
familiar with all the conventions we use, e.g. smiley faces, or 
abbreviations (ROFLSC- Rolling On Floor Laughing Scaring Cat) or 
TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)...
 
Either that or he did and just felt like getting viscious (SP?).
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:10:32
Message Number 11568

I don't think that it will be forgotten, besides, I was replying to
Scot, I meant those words to describe his actions, not the song.
It was predictable that he would try to continue that thread, using the
same tact that Turtle took.
 
Say, how come you aint on the Storyboards?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:13:48
Message Number 11569

NOx> There is some beautiful country up there.  The fall season's the
NOx> best.
 
Agreed.  Did I say armpit of the world?  Actually, I believe that 
Korea is the armpit of the world, I meant that PA was the armpit of
the country.  It was just a passing remark anyway.  What prompted you
to move to Florida?  I moved here when I got out of the service, because
my parents moved here.  (They moved here because my dad was an apartment
complex manager, and couldn't stand one more day of unfreezing pipes 
under buildings.)]
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:17:27
Message Number 11570

TS>> What is it with you and hamsters?
NOx> Sex.
SS>> DO you do gerbil stuffing too?
NOx> I plead the fith amendment...
 
::"I refuse to say anything on the grounds that it might incriminate 
me"::
 
Ah, no, I wouldn't plead the fifth amendment if I were you, I would 
give a solid "NO." 
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 01/27/91 08:21:10
Message Number 11571

"You can't hurt me!  I'm the Black Knight!"
 
                              "You're a loon."
  
  
"I am a great wizard, known all over." 
                           "What shal we call you, oh great wizard?"
"Some call me...Tim."
ShhhhhBOOM!"
 
"Very well, then, have at you!"
 
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From: THE GRUNT           
To: THRUD               
Subject: AK's           
Date & Time: 01/27/91 09:24:03
Message Number 11572

Problems with AK's?  AK which stands for Automatish Kalashinikov, after
the soviets famed weapons engineer Kalashinikov.  He was wounded (lost
both legs) in a famous tank battle, and later became a weapons designer.
He pioneered the "above gas return tube" now implemented by all soviet
designed weapons.  AK's are not a bad weapon.  They will stand up in
all types of weather, and under all types of adverse conditions!  Do not
get me wrong, I am very partial to U.S. Weapons, but as a member of the
U.S. Army's Long Range Surveillance Detachment, I was issued an AKMS,
and had to Qualify with a wide variety of soviet weapons.  They are
stamped metal, not machined.  They are mass produced for quantity, not
quality, however, I have never seen any of the AK series weapons
malfunction!  Show me a weapon that can lie underwater, in mud, for
over a week, and all you have to do is let the water run out of the
barrel and it will fire!  You'll only be able to show me an AK!
Which is why, the U.S. Army's special units are issued the weapon!
If you have any questions or comments on particular armament, let me
know.  Happy hunting, whatever it may be!  Remember, Why did the 
GRUNT cross the road?    Why to kill something on the other side,
of course!                                   The Grunt
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From: THE GRUNT           
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Joke!          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 09:35:37
Message Number 11573

The joke, as it is, came from the original:
Why did the GRUNT cross the road?    To kill something on the other
side !          Had to put that in there!           The Grunt
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:03:16
Message Number 11574

Conneaut Lake Park!!! Wow! Oh, WOW!! I used to go there every Wednesday
afternoon. We did a remote broadcast from there when I was in radio. 
'Member things like the Stoneboro Fair, Crawford County Fair?? We did
remotes from all of them as well. Used to call it the "Hot Sausage
Circuit" 'cause we would get all the hot sausage sandwich vwndors to 
compete by giving us free sandwiches and drinks for a mention on the air
  
Never ate do many sandwiches as then!! To this day, I can't go to a 
county, city, state or other fair without getting a hot sausage sandwich
all covered in onions and peppers.
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: booze          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:09:03
Message Number 11575

Used to be, (I don't know if it still is) that low-powered beer was
3.2% alcohol, and hi-test was anything over 6%. You could get low stuff
if you were under 21, usually out of the tap, but bottled was hi-test 
and was off limits till 21.
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: good things    
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:11:35
Message Number 11576

Spring water is my favorite, too. Used to be a guy with a long beard
that I know that would go to several springs around my place and pick up
water for you for a buck. Icy cold is right. 
  
Nowadays, I gotta pay 69 cents for a liter and a half of North Country
Spring water from Canada at Phar-Mor. Sheesh!
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From: TURTLE              
To: OPUS                
Subject: Uhh...         
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:20:47
Message Number 11577

>...didn't know a TSR80 could compile programs either...
 
Say what? A compiler is a program, just like any other program. Why
SHOULDN'T a TRS-80 be able to run a compiler? I will have you know
that I have Borland Turbo Pascal 3.2 on this computer...and Borland
Turbo Modula-2, which **only** exists for CP/M and Z-System (they
never made an MS-DOS version).
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From: TURTLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:24:06
Message Number 11578

>Boy! We thought we were hot stuff with 40 megs, C/PM operating
>system, and 5 terminals, two of which actually did graphics!
 
Not a bad setup, even by today's standards--MS-DOS is a direct
descendant of CP/M, and isn't even as powerful as the more recent
CP/M derivatives (TurboDOS and Z-System). Although if you were running
five terminals, you were probably running MP/M (the multiuser,
multitasking version of CP/M). Come to think of it, I don't think
I've ever seen an MS-DOS machine running multiple terminals...
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From: TURTLE              
To: THUMPER 1           
Subject: Vulcan Bastige 
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:27:47
Message Number 11579

>And besides, this board NEEDS a little insenmsitive MACHOness
>on it.
 
Why?
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:28:35
Message Number 11580

You have a Model 100? Where did you get it? Can I have one? I want one
real bad, yes I do! I love those things. Can I get one, can I, can I,
huh?
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:31:28
Message Number 11581

>I like that. Then again, every time I post an "I like that" messagh&&x
 
 
db%zNO CARRIER
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:35:13
Message Number 11582

>All your noise that your protesting makes isn't gonna do diddly squat
>for the govnt's opinion,...
 
Time for a history lesson. Open your textbooks to the chapter on
America's involvement in Viet Nam, and read what it says...
 
Seriously, though, you have a real problem with people who express
opinions you don't like, don't you?
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:42:48
Message Number 11583

>spew, spew, distorted view, inaccurate summation, spew, spew....
 
How enlightening. You addressed all of my points quite clearly. Care to
bring any REAL viewpoints into the discussion, or are you just going to
mock those of others while conveniently sidestepping addressing any of
the points they raise?
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:44:31
Message Number 11584

>Did I mention my gift for accurate speaking?
 
No. Do you have one?
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 10:45:30
Message Number 11585

>As a matter of fact, nothing comes to mind that was better.
 
How 'bout the Televideo 802? 640x480 resolution in (I believe) 128
colors, not bad for 1982. 'Course, the TRS-80's graphics always did
suck shit, 'ceptin if you were one of the three or four people on earth
who bought a hi-res graphics card for it. The hi-res card gives you
monochrome (black and green) graphics at a resolution just a hair
better than the Macintosh's, and if you have one you can run all two
or three programs that were ever written to use it.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/27/91 11:36:18
Message Number 11586

>But, I would like to see anything that encourages him eliminated.
>Period. 
 
Even if by doing so the United States of America becomes no better
than Iraq? How curious.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE GRUNT           
Subject: AK's           
Date & Time: 01/27/91 11:39:07
Message Number 11587

The AK-47 is a good weapon, yes, but I still wouldn't try to use one
to hunt deer...
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/27/91 11:45:48
Message Number 11588

Ok on the passing remark about Pa being the armpit of the country/ world
. Why did you say that though, just curious.
I moved here because of a job offer a couple of years after my mother 
moved from PA. It didn't work out though (the job).
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/27/91 11:48:29
Message Number 11589

yeah, you're right, I should have said NO. 
(but I just hate lying :) :) :)  )
SEE YA!
Night Owl
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: water          
Date & Time: 01/27/91 11:52:13
Message Number 11590

Bottled water shouldn't even be considered natural in most cases 'cause 
it's treated in one way on another.
Even if it isn't, it tastes like plastic from sittin' in the bottle for 
so long.
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MS-DOS         
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:10:40
Message Number 11591

T>Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen an MS-DOS machine
T>running multiple terminals...
  
Never seen a Novell setup?  For shame!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:12:26
Message Number 11592

Lemme telya somethin about Viet Nam...it wasn't just the war protesters
that got us out of Viet Nam...it was also the civil rights movement 
which turned it's power against Viet Nam.  Also, the police were 
responsible for CREATING new protesters with they way they treated the
original protesters.   A great many of the people out there weren't 
protesting the war, they were protesting the way the anti-war hippies
were treated.  The rest of it was civil rights activists.  
 
So don't tell *me* that it was only people who were protesting war that
got the war stopped.   A great multitude were just there to cause havoc.
Again...your protesting ain't gonna do diddly squat for what the govnt
does.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Oil            
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:16:23
Message Number 11593

T>How enlightening.  You addressed all of my points quite clearly.
 
And described what you said very accurately.  
 
T>Care to bring any REAL viewpoints into the discussion,
 
Not when you refuse to discuss them in any form of coherence.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:17:46
Message Number 11594

>>Did I mention my gift for accurate speaking?
 
T>No.  Do you have one?
 
Why, yes, shall I demonstrate?  Homosexuality is sick, sick, sick.
There. 
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: where          
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:18:53
Message Number 11595

I never saw the Televideo 802.  That's why I used the expression, 
"Nothing comes to mind" rather than a blunt "There simply wasn't any".
Y'know, I remember when that upgrade for the TRS-80 came out...it was 
for the model IV, wasn't it?  Not color, though.  'Course, then, niether
was the Mac...
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:21:10
Message Number 11596

You certainly do have a gift for exaggerating everything I say and do,
don't you?  Just because I would like to see all Americans united behind
the war effort, you misconstrue that I would like to see all protesters
suppressed.  (Which, failing to have all united, strikes me as somewhat 
of a good idea...)
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:22:53
Message Number 11597

NOx>...on the passing remark...
 
Well, I just happen to believe that Florida beats Pennsylvania all 
hollow....  Just an opinion.  I'm sorry if I had offended you.  Actually
I've been to or through all 50 states (lived in Hawaii two years and 
went through Alaska on my way to Korea) and the one I disliked the most
hadda be South Carolina.  Maybe it's just because that's where I took 
BASIC training.   Or maybe it's because of that horrible twang they all
talk in....
  
Y'ahhhll gowwwin' ta thuh stowwer?  Owr ah meeen thuh Pee  Ehx? 
 
Arrrrgh!  SHUT UP!
 
Course, if you want to talk the most boring, that's Kansas...all the way
across.  "Land of *yawn*zzzzzz"  (Sound it out...you'll see what I
mean.)
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/28/91 09:29:49
Message Number 11598

NOx>(But I hate lying :) :) :)  )
 
"Yer makin' me ner- I say, Nervous, boy."
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 01/28/91 11:11:02
Message Number 11599

No offense on the remark about PA.
All things considered, I think PA is better than florida (Then what am I
doin' here?). The fall season is the one thing I miss the most. Also, 
the state parks have a lot more to offer than those here in FL. 
As for Florida, ya just can't beat the climate.
   I'd like to be rich so that I can be a snowbird and enjoy the best of
both worlds. :)
 
I've also been to Colorado briefly for my brother's graduation from the
Colorado school of mines. It's in the Golden area. Have you ever been 
to Loveland pass? It's really nice there. 
Hmmm.... I've been to NJ, my parents had a house st the shore, and my gr
andparents lived in new Hamphsire.
Hanover is really nice in the wintertime. Oh, I used to ride my 10-speed
to Deleware every now & then too.
 
Whelp, th's all the places I've been.
SEE YA!
Night Owl
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From: NIGHT OWL           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: hamsters       
Date & Time: 01/28/91 11:18:55
Message Number 11600

TS>"Yer makin' me ner- I say, Nervous, boy."
 
Hahahahahahaha......
 
 
SEE YA!
Night Owl
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