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88753 22-JUL 20:05 General Information
     RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88738)
     From: NEALSTEWARD  To: COCOKIWI

Thanks Dennis, I will try again with a better solution.  I tried 1,1,1
trichoroethylene or some unpronouncable dry cleaning solvent.  Haven't
tried alcohol yet, maybe some of my homebrewed India Pale Ale will work...

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88762 23-JUL 00:29 General Information
     RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88722)
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)

 > I bought the SCII from Joe Scinta of Ken-Ton.  I think the only
 > "incompatiblity" is addresses, which this one uses an alternate
 > address.  Besides the system WAS working fine for quite some
 > time.

If SCII means Super Controller II (the Disto product), I have had a
conversation with Ken-Ton and seen in print the statement that a
SC II and a Kenton Hard Drive Interface will not work together on a
Y-cable. Capacitance problem I believe.

Bests
---TedJaeger

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88766 23-JUL 02:40 General Information
     RE: Crashed Coco3 (Re: Msg 88753)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: NEALSTEWARD (NR)

do you have the ROM in a socket? or the cpu!other thing is the memory board
if it goes down too far it can short out on the cover ,bottom of the board!
contacts of any of these including the gimi chip could be flacky!
Dennis

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End of Thread.

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88754 22-JUL 21:38 General Information
     RE: help (Re: Msg 88674)
     From: ROBERT84     To: 01GEN40

I would appreciate the help, thank you very much.

Bob

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88755 22-JUL 21:42 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Hey somebody help me (Re: Msg 88563)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: SAUSAGESAM

Hi remember Matt Matthews from Cols? AT&T? I, he has a BBS running on his HD
now call voice and he'll put it up.
How's things in the country? We just put an offer on a house in Grove City. It
goes into contract in a day or two. I left you a msg on Bark BBS too did you
get it?

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88756 22-JUL 21:53 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Hey somebody help me (Re: Msg 88755)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: DENNYWRIGHT

Nope I didn7t get the msg on bark.. I can't call long distance at all ..

do you think you'd be able to come over saturday??/

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88774 23-JUL 17:21 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Hey somebody help me (Re: Msg 88756)
     From: DENNYWRIGHT  To: SAUSAGESAM

I thought bark bbs was a 800 number! You'll have to ask denny about saturday.
We're the same person sometimes!<G>

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88781 23-JUL 19:22 Telecom (6809)
     RE: Hey somebody help me (Re: Msg 88774)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: DENNYWRIGHT

Bark BBS *is* an 800 number...

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End of Thread.

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88757 22-JUL 22:00 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88746)
     From: JEJONES      To: MROWEN01

 > What OSK system do you have?

Two, actually--I have an MM/1a and a VME133 system (which has a 12 MHz 68020
and 68881, 3 Mbytes of RAM, and a 40 Mbyte hard drive).  It's been a long time
since I turned on the VME133, though.  Hooking it up to the MM/1a via a serial
port or two is something I keep intending to do.  If I could connect my
printer to the VME box, and if GhostScript didn't eat so much RAM, I'd want
to hook up one port to the VME's /term, and have Ghostscript running and
taking input from the other port.


Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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88760 22-JUL 23:19 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88736)
     From: DBREEDING    To: MROWEN01

 > ... and support an
 > additional user who is terminal connected. One of my first problems was
 > finding an editor
 > for use on a terminal. Finding none, I have been writing one with
 > BASIC09. IT's
 > half done. I started in C but have some learning to do yet. Do you know
 > of a terminal editor anywhere? I expected to see something VT100 capable,

Well, I may get hissed and booed here, but "scred" might be the ticket.  It
does have some disadvantages, but it does have terminal support.  It uses its
own terminal capability file (termset).  It will not wrap lines, and displays
only one screenwidth, and it has a limit for line-length, and will concatenate
lines longer than that length.

There is one bug in "scred".  In command mode, most alt-key combinations will
crash the system.  I have fixed that bug, it's available here or if you can't
find it and wish to use scred, let me know and I'll send it to ya.  All that's
*really* required is a one-byte patch, plus CRC fix, I added a couple other
byte-changes, though.

I looked in my "ved" docs, and apparently, it does not do terminal support, or
at least I couldn't find mention.  I would have thought it would...

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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88765 23-JUL 02:03 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88751)
     From: KSCALES      To: MROWEN01

Hi, Mike -

 > So Dynastar will run on a terminal. Is this widely available? Where might I
 > aquire this package for Level II?

Yes, DynaStar was written to support various terminals through a "termset"
file, which contains information describing each supported terminal (user
updatable for different types).

It used to be sold by Frank Hogg (FHL, username FHOGG on Delphi), but I'm
not sure if he still carries the 6809 version or not.  Try asking him
through email (he only checks Forum messages periodically).

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Ken Scales   Delphi:KSCALES   Internet:kscales@delphi.com   CIS:74646,2237
 =-=-=-=-=-= Intel: Putting the backward in backward compatible =-=-=-=-=-=

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88801 24-JUL 15:33 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Patches for the Coco III (Re: Msg 88736)
     From: 01GEN40      To: MROWEN01

  Hi Mike,
  Just thought I would add my 2 cents worth here.  If you go to the
databases, in System OS-9 I think, you can get my patch for the INIT
module which allows the CoCo to boot without leaving CC3GO in memory.
CC3GO is used only once, at boot-up. It is to be relocated to your CMDS
directory.  The patch also takes care of a bug that is in a different
module. I forget the bug and the module off hand, but this patch takes
cares of it.
  One other thought, it would be a very wise idea to keep a logbook
of every hardware modification and software patch/replacement you do.
This will help when tracking down problems that pop up. I hope you
enjoy OS-9 as much or more than I do. I only use it at home exclusivly,
unforytunatly (sp) I must use Messy-Dog at work.

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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End of Thread.

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88758 22-JUL 23:18 General Information
     RE: OS-9 Live! (Re: Msg 88724)
     From: DBREEDING    To: HAWKSOFT

 > > Yes, I am harboring hopes that G-Windows might be the tie that binds.
 >
 > I'm afraid that G-W would be too expensive to include as part of the
 > MM/1 hardware (or Kix or SysIV/V).

Oh, no, I wouldn't expect to see G-W standard on the machines.  What I meant
was that maybe G-W will become widespread enough for programmers to be able
to write advanced windowing programs that could be marketed to all.

 > > I would love to see K-Windows available for us, too, but I fear that
 > > this may not be.
 >
 > Well, IF you're a programmer and very ambitious <g> contact David
 > Graham.

Oooooooh, I'm not that much of a programmer.  And  don't believe my
ambition would hold out either <G>.

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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88759 22-JUL 23:18 General Information
     RE: Drives (Re: Msg 88733)
     From: DBREEDING    To: REVWCP

 > ilv=is $02, I will have to play with this.

Yeah, give 2 a try.  Of course, I suppose you realize that you have to
format the disk with this ilv.  I believe you will be able to notice a
difference (I have my 5.25 set for this, too).  However, if you want to
see molasses run, give ilv=1 a shot <G>

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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88769 23-JUL 09:51 General Information
     RE: Drives (Re: Msg 88759)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: DBREEDING

What is the interleave value for anyway? I've always wondered what it was
for...

ttyl,
shawn

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88778 23-JUL 19:03 General Information
     RE: Drives (Re: Msg 88769)
     From: DBREEDING    To: SAUSAGESAM

 > What is the interleave value for anyway? I've always wondered what it was
 > for...

Interleave is the arrangements of the sectors on the disk, within the track.
An interleave of 1 puts the sectors in ascending order, 2, you have sector 1
followed by sector 3, then 5, etc.  ilv=3 skips 2 in between, etc.  I think
I'm right, at least in principle (g).

Giving more skip will allow the computer time to do its stuff.  If the ilv
is too small, the sector is passed by the time the computer is ready, and
the disk will have to make a complete revolution (less what's passed) to
get to the sector.

If you have a level 2 system (lvl 1 might support it, not sure), you can
experiment with the interleave with the format command.  Note, the interleave
is established when the disk is formatted.  You can specify different
interleave values with the parameter :<ilv>:, for example try
   "format /d0 :2:"  When you get to the verify stage, where the tracks
are displayed, you can tell the difference in speed.  I believe level 2
came with the ilv set to 3, but I found that 2 was a little faster.

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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End of Thread.

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88761 22-JUL 23:41 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88728)
     From: WA2EGP       To: MRUPGRADE

Well, a lot of it could run if recompiled.  I was just talking about the OSK
software that is out there.  My book is 1989 so it is a little early to tell
if the stuff was written for the MM/1. (grin)  A lot of it is for industrial/
business applications.......and it costs.  (As I say to my DOS/Windoze friends
when they brag about all the PC software) How many spreadsheets are you
planning to run at the same time?  There is some really good stuff out there,
both shareware and freeware in addition to the "payware".  Look in the database
and I don't think you will be disappointed.

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88767 23-JUL 08:43 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88761)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: WA2EGP

It would appear that the PC group has a different spirit from the folks in
the OS9 community. Nearly everything here is given freely for the good of
everyone, but almost anything worth talking about on the dos sig has
somebodys hand out. Before I got my OS9000 terminal going, I tried to get
a terminal from the PC sig and couldn't seem to find a program that didn't
tell me that I owed the writer. <Phil>

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88771 23-JUL 12:06 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88767)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: PHILSCHERER

  Do I understand that you upset with thh PC community is: They like oto be
 paid for, as you say, "The better software"?
  Whereas in thhe OS community, they don't feel their writing efforts are
 worth anything?
  I'd guess a few would differ with that senerio,,,
   Terry Simons      UPGRADE Editor
   ERNO 386      TG Virus detected
   Tag line destroyed ------------

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88776 23-JUL 18:50 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88771)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: MRUPGRADE

My comparison of better software is not between the PC group and the OS9
group but their better software which is not in any way more talented than
what comes across this sig! The folks here are more committed to OS9 and are
not as mercinary as dog users. In fact the software here is probably a finer
example of programming since much dog software is inefficient with no thought
given to how much space or memory is required! If someone wants to take
exception to that then----! <Phil>

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88786 24-JUL 00:45 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88767)
     From: JEJONES      To: PHILSCHERER

 > Nearly everything here is given freely for the good
 > of everyone, but almost anything worth talking about on the dos sig has
 > somebodys hand out.

Well, yes, but...OTOH, the time it takes to really polish up a product,
think it through, and make it bulletproof is awfully hard to find for
something you're going to give away--aside from the independently wealthy
or people who can successfully run a guilt trip or claim to be fighting
the evil corporations so that people will give you money a la the FSF.

So, while I respect folks who put (their own!) stuff in the public
domain, I don't begrudge $$$ for those who put effort into a piece of
software.



Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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88790 24-JUL 09:30 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88786)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: JEJONES

Hi James -- I agree that some programs could be considered saleable quality
and it's up to the author to decide what to do. My point is that even the
very good stuff here has very few that ask for compensation yet in the
minimal times I found it necessary to enter the PC group, I found it rare
for comparable code to be without strings attached. <Phil>

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88804 24-JUL 20:47 General Information
     RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88644)
     From: CPERRAULT    To: NIMITZ (NR)

        >>Chris, I would be glad to include BGFX, AND Desktop with every
   MM/1 sold. <<

        GREAT! That will only help to promote more programming from the
   communities Basic programmers<who we have a lot of>, plus it will be
   easier to port some of the better basic written programs to Kwindows.

        >>How many of you would be willing to pay $35 to $50 extra to get
   them??

        I would in a heart beat! That's a drop in a bucket compared to
   what you get with it, plus what kind of positive impact it COULD have
   in the long run.

        >Chris<

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88806 24-JUL 22:17 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88771)
     From: MRGOOD       To: MRUPGRADE

I can honestly say that every PC package I've downloaded in the
past several years has had a request for money (shareware).  THat
would be fine if it were worth the download time.  However, 95%
turns out to be absolute junk.  Obviously, there's a lot of greed
out there in PC land....

Hugo

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88808 24-JUL 23:38 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88806)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: MRGOOD (NR)

  Downloads as shareware.
  A primary reason I've never wnanted HOME-PAC (Shareware version) on a
BBS for download.  By theh time the guy downloads tha t much data,, he
 figgures he paid for it once.   But it gets there anyway,,,

  As far as asking to be paid for Software,, be ir shareware or what,,
 if it's worthwhile,,, that is do youo use it regularly?  If
 so it's not greed to ask you to compensate a small amount for his efforts
 on your behalf.
  But not to worry,,, GREED  Stops %90 of shareware users (that is people who
 do actually use it) from ever paying a dime!

   Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,,
     "who else would come up with such a zanny ideas"?
 v

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88809 24-JUL 23:45 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88808)
     From: WA2EGP       To: MRUPGRADE

What stops me is that I have sent in the renumeration and never got an upgrade,
better manual, or anything.  Of course, these were PC programs, but it does
make me wary, even for OS-9 stuff.  On top of that, I'm a cheap SOB with a job
that doesn't pay all that much (grin).  BTW, I agree with another message, most
of the PC shareware stuff is garbage (at least what I was interested in).

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88810 24-JUL 23:55 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88806)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MRGOOD (NR)

 > I can honestly say that every PC package I've downloaded in the
 > past several years has had a request for money (shareware).  THat
 > would be fine if it were worth the download time.  However, 95%
 > turns out to be absolute junk.  Obviously, there's a lot of greed
 > out there in PC land....

EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole concept of Shareware is that you voluntarily spend you connect
time to wherever to download some FREE software. *IF* it turns out to be
something you feel you can use, *THEN AND ONLY THEN* does the author of
the Shareware *EXPECT* you to send in a contribution.

Asking for a contribution to the cause *IF AND ONLY IF* you feel it is
worth is *IS NOT GREEDY*.


 ------------------------------------
  Zack C Sessions

    They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".


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88811 25-JUL 00:03 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88808)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: MRUPGRADE

 > But not to worry,,, GREED  Stops %90 of shareware users (that is people
 > who do actually use it) from ever paying a dime!

As I have said, you are wrong. Greed does not stop a single one Shareware
users from paying a dime.

If the software is not worth it, then pay nothing.

If it is, send in the money.

Do not fault the author for asking for money for it, regardless of the
quality.

You are essentially saying the entire process of Shareware sucks. It doesn't.
Except for the authors. Since a hell of a lot of Shareware *IS* used by
downloaders and never paid for ...

See, there are two sides of every coin.


 ------------------------------------
  Zack C Sessions

    They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".


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88812 25-JUL 00:19 General Information
     RE: Chico fest (Re: Msg 88811)
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: COLORSYSTEMS (NR)

  You evidently didn't read theh "entire message".   I  said shareware
 "user2 as in those who actually use the product on a regular basis"
  OF THOSE it is estimated only 10% send in anything,, or theh other 90%
 of those "WHO ACTUALLY USE" theh software NEVER SEND IN A DIME!
  I too have PC friends,, over at their hoese I see the piles of photo coppied
 doc's,, and as he pulls up a nice term,, he sez,, "one-a-these daze,, I'm
 thinking
about sending in the Shareware 10 ro 20 bucks.
  How many ADOS'es are "burned in ROM",, but not a dime paid,, and that's not
 even shareware.  But I'd call it used,, wouldn't you?

  But most authors will agree with you,, Shareware is at best bettern' nothing
 but not by much.
  Terry Simons.

   Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,,
     "who else would come up with such a zanny ideas"?

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End of Thread.

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88763 23-JUL 00:29 General Information
     Handling signals
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ALL

Fiddling with F$Alarm and a signal handler in BASIC. Have these
things working individually but would like to combine a main
loop which houses a signal handler with a called routine where the
user can set an alarm. I also want to use the main loop to call
several other routines which leads to my question. If an alarm is
set to deliver a signal and the user has called another routine
(say a calculator) when that signal is sent then I assume the
alarm will not be caught by the signal handler which is in the
main loop. Is there a way to cue the signal sent by the alarm
so that when the user finishes with the calculator and returns
to the mainloop, the signal handler will process the signal?
Bests
---TedJaeger

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88764 23-JUL 00:30 OSK Applications
     RE: Weeks absence (Re: Msg 88731)
     From: LARRYOLSON   To: HAWKSOFT


 >    Stick with Computer Shopper and Ham 'fests/Flea Markets. Mac stuff is
 > always over priced (the same stuff, no less).

   Ok, I'll see what I can pickup.

   Thanks


----- Larry Olson -----

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88768 23-JUL 09:49 New Uploads
     AR2
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: ALL

Helllllo.. I just downloaded AR.BIN from the new uploads section. Whenever
I try archiving anything though it says "ar2: Cannot get memory" or something
like that. What's it mean? I had about 350k of free memory when I tried it,
so it must be talking about something else. Someone please help me!

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88770 23-JUL 10:01 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88768)
     From: JMICHELSON   To: SAUSAGESAM

I uploaded the program and it seems to work ok when you archive smaller
files, but I can't get it to archive say my bbs data directory which has
about 2 megs of messages and data files for my Acbbs system. I get the
same cannot get memory error that you mention. I'll try to ask Carl K.
about it the next time I'm on Compuserve...that is where I downloaded the
archive from.

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88772 23-JUL 16:12 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88770)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: JMICHELSON

I was playing with it and just wanted to see how it worked and tried it
on just about a one thousand byte file and it was saying that!!!

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88773 23-JUL 17:06 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88772)
     From: MITHELEN     To: SAUSAGESAM

Hm... are you using non-memory-fix-patched Shell Plus? That _may_ be
part of the problem (just a guess though)
--
Paul

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88779 23-JUL 19:04 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88768)
     From: DBREEDING    To: SAUSAGESAM

 > Helllllo.. I just downloaded AR.BIN from the new uploads section.
 > Whenever I try archiving anything though it says "ar2: Cannot get memory"

Mithelen, in his reply, is correct.

I think you will find that if you use the -b modifier, to set max bits to less
than 13 (maybe 12 or 11?), it will work.  However, you can get it to work if
you patch your shell+ to not add the 8K data.  If you don't wish to modify
shell+, an alternative is to go into the stock shell with ded, or modpatch,
and change the name of it to something else, I did this, changed it to "ohell"
<G>.  I then go into a window, do an "ex ohell i=/1".  You can then call it
up and it will work fine.  I don't know of any other functions of ar2 besides
archiving a file under ar2 that won't work with the 8K-shell.  I found that
InfoXpress also won't run under 8K-shell.

If you don't like my name for shell, you can use your own, oh, yes, of course
if you use the "stock" shell you will need to rename the filename for that
shell, too.  And I would only have the shell in the file, too, and not the
other commands that were included with the original shell since they will
already be in mem with the "new" shell - you know, dir, etc..  Dunno, but it
might not be a good idea to have 2 copies of these modules in mem at once.
probably not, but no use to take chances, and it will cut down on load time
a little <G>


                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

         ***  Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
                       ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

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88780 23-JUL 19:21 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88773)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: MITHELEN

Well, I dont know what it is... I know it's shell+... If I use 12 bit compres
it works fine but at 13 bit it yells at me...



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88782 23-JUL 19:24 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88779)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: DBREEDING

how do I patch shell plus????

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88784 23-JUL 20:46 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88782)
     From: MITHELEN     To: SAUSAGESAM

Look in System Modules, or Applications... Perhaps a search SHELL... You
_should_ find a submission someplace describeing the nature of the problem,
and where to patch.

The basic upshot of the problem is, shell+ insists on giveing every program
it starts 8K of memory (like tagging a #8K on every line) Some programs
writen in C, that malloc() memory, choke from this, bacause they can't
access the
memory on the stack that shell+ gives them.
--
Paul

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88787 24-JUL 08:53 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88780)
     From: JEJONES      To: SAUSAGESAM

 > Well, I dont know what it is... I know it's shell+... If I use 12 bit
 > compres it works fine but at 13 bit it yells at me...

Well...it depends.  Long ago I did a port of an early version of compress
(the LZW one) to OS-9/6809, and you have to remember that what that number
of bits determines is the size of the codes that correspond to strings.
12 bits implies 4096 codes, and on a 6809, if the data structure for a
code hits 16 bytes, then just the code table would eat your address space.
Each added bit of code size doubles the size of the table, of course, so
I wouldn't be surprised if you would have to do fancy footwork to manage
13-bit LZW compression on a 6809.

(I recall that 12 bits fit, but 13 wouldn't.)



Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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88788 24-JUL 08:58 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88772)
     From: JMICHELSON   To: SAUSAGESAM

Don't know what to tell you about the problem if it is only on a small
file...I only get the memory error when trying to archive a large direc-
tory. Like I said before, I'll send a note to Carl and ask him about it
the next time I hit Compuserve.

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88791 24-JUL 11:33 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88787)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: JEJONES


I think you mighta misunderstood me a little. I'm using AR... I think you're
thinking that I'm using a util called compress, unless you are just comparing
the two... Oh well !  Anyway, I finally did get it working! I downloaded the
shell+ patch from here so now I can do 13 bit compression with AR2......

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88792 24-JUL 11:33 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88788)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: JMICHELSON (NR)

I got it worked out.. Someone left me a message telling me to download a
patch to shell plus that was on here. .I did and now it's working just
fine...

thanks anyway,
shawn

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88793 24-JUL 12:29 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88787)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: JEJONES


   Hello James,

> ... Each added bit of code size doubles the size of the table, of
> course, so I wouldn't be surprised if you would have to do fancy footwork
> to manage 13-bit LZW compression on a 6809.
>
> (I recall that 12 bits fit, but 13 wouldn't.)

  I downloaded the osk version of AR2 from here and `played' with it.
I didn't see anything in the doc file about how to set the number of
bits to use so, I used -b16.. the error message said ` 9 to 14 ' is
the range.  I don't have a coco setup so, can't say what the range is
on the 6809.. thou I would think it would be the same.

  Still, doing 14 bit on the 6809, that's real fancy footwork <g>.

--
   John
        johnbaer@delphi.com    < Posted with Ved 2.3.1 & IX 1.2.0 >
       jbaer@pacs.pha.pa.us    "Clipper Chip - Big Brother Inside !"



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88795 24-JUL 12:49 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88788)
     From: DBREEDING    To: JMICHELSON (NR)

The prob is solved, now.  Really, we've already gone through this "over
there"  <G>.  If you've been following the thread, I think you've already
seen where the problem is - shell+ 's always allocating 8K mem for a
process.  To get 13-bit compression, you'll need to either patch shell+ or
use a version of the "old" stock shell.

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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88797 24-JUL 14:56 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88795)
     From: SAUSAGESAM   To: DBREEDING

Hi there.. Now the only problem I'm having is AR2 changing my file attributes.
If I download a file and in the archive it says the execution attrib is set,
it's not setting it when it unarchives it..

cya

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88814 25-JUL 00:46 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88797)
     From: DBREEDING    To: SAUSAGESAM

 > Hi there.. Now the only problem I'm having is AR2 changing my file
 > attributes.
 > If I download a file and in the archive it says the execution attrib is
 > set, it's not setting it when it unarchives it..

By George, it doesn't, just tried it.  I believe the OSK version does.
Oh, well, as long as we know, we can take care of that, I guess  (G).

Glad you got it to working.

                   -- David Breeding --
                 CompuServe :  72330,2051
                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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88816 25-JUL 00:48 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88814)
     From: MITHELEN     To: DBREEDING (NR)

Hmm.. sounds like Carl introduce the same "bug" that was in V1.2, that someone
else corrected for v1.3.... Amazeing none of his beta testers caught that!
--
Paul

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88819 25-JUL 07:21 New Uploads
     RE: AR2 (Re: Msg 88791)
     From: JEJONES      To: SAUSAGESAM

 > I think you mighta misunderstood me a little. I'm using AR... I think
 > you're thinking that I'm using a util called compress, unless you are just
 > comparing the two...

No, I understood you.  AR uses LZW compression--that's how it manages to
shrink stuff (usually--no compression method will work on *everything*)
on its way into the archive.

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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88775 23-JUL 18:16 System Modules (6809)
     RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88742)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5

 > I'm afraid I have to agree regarding the inability to do a "standard"
 > switch.

Well, the whole problem would be getting to the point where everyone could
do it almost at once.  However, if we could get to one single standard,
then it would ease the process.  Really, as I said, the place to really
advance the system would be to make the 6309 standard.  I think if this could
be, then the system would make a strong advancement.

 > I'll have to plead guilty to useing some of us as unwitting alpha testers,
 > not because I intended it to be that way, but because I'm no more

Well, anything that is any bit involved *REQUIRES* a second opinion (or
third, fourth, for that matter).  First off, you need them to catch bugs,
and these bugs will pop up no matter how careful you are.  Secondly, for
an app, you need some other ideas on implementation, and suggestions.

 >  Like you, I'd like to see one cpu again so that we could
 > have a bit more compatibility, and just because I'm a 6309'er, I'd like
 > to see that as the standard.

 > folks who brought it to life have stuck around to put the "spit and
 > polish" on it, at least not visible here on what I think is the best
 > coco/os9 gathering place ever.

Yes, it's sad that these folks are not here, and quite a disadvantage.
They need to be in close contact with us.  I have Powerboost myself,
thought about Nitro, but as it is, I guess I'll migrate toward OSK, so
probably will not go to the effort.

You know, really, it might not be all that hard to have both cpu's in the
system.  It seems that all system calls would be handled in the system
modules.  Then if a 6309-specific C compiler were written, then it would
be a simple matter to double-compile it, once under each system.  Of
course the 6309 should be able to utilize any 6809 code, so it might not
be that much of a problem.

                   -- David Breeding --
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                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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88785 23-JUL 22:39 System Modules (6809)
     RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88775)
     From: WDTV5        To: DBREEDING

We do have a 6309 compiler after a fashion. The asmmbler(sp) can be re-
assigned to use R63 right now. The linker shouldn't care, and as far as I
know, the preparers c_prep and ansifront do have the appropriate switches
built in now. The real hold back right now is the compiler itself, beit
the onepass or the twopass. Thats where the majority of the re-work would be
needed over and above what we now have. For .asm code, Chris's xsm, if you
know how to make it behave, works right nice.  So basicly the tools are
nearly all in place now. The only switch that I could see would be needed
in the compiler is one to switch it from B&B PB style stack images to the
Nitros9/truely native images. Actually two switches, one for use native
(new) codes, and two - use native stack.  So right there we have 4 variations
on how to do the same job and achieve the maximum efficiency on each of those
4 system variations.  Actually 3 'cause who would want the native mode stack
but not the more efficient codes?  But, like girls, its those little diffs
that make the one thats your special to you!
Yeah, I'd like to see the native mode stack in place on all 6309 machines.
How to do that, and essentially all do it at once is the 64,000,000 $ ?
Cheers, Gene

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88794 24-JUL 12:48 System Modules (6809)
     RE: OSK Software (Re: Msg 88785)
     From: DBREEDING    To: WDTV5 (NR)

 > We do have a 6309 compiler after a fashion. The asmmbler(sp) can be re-
 > assigned to use R63 right now. The linker shouldn't care, and as far as I
 > know, the preparers c_prep and ansifront do have the appropriate switches

Yeah, I know about that part - I'm the one who did the r63 patch, or at least
the only one I know of.   However, so far as I know, no one has yet modified
the compilers to do make the 6309 calls.  This would require a complete
rewrite of the compiler, I would think.
And the libraries.  I think BOISY was intending to do this but has now
gone to OSK.

 >  So basicly the tools
 > are nearly all in place now. The only switch that I could see would be
 > needed in the compiler is one to switch it from B&B PB style stack images
 > to the Nitros9/truely native images.

Would it really be needed?  Not sure, but are there any direct accesses to
the stack in the libs?  Hadn't checked, but I would think all this should
be handled in the drivers, etc, shouldn't they?  I am thinking that all that
would be needed would be to have a check, probably in cstart, where you could
determine if you did indeed have a 6309, and abort if not.  Otherwise a 6809
would be trying to execute 6309 codes and missing instructions.

                   -- David Breeding --
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End of Thread.

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88777 23-JUL 18:54 Programmers Den
     OS9000
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: ALL

Is there anyone here familiar with using the curses.h package from OS9000?
<Phil>

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88783 23-JUL 19:26 Programmers Den
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 88777)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: PHILSCHERER

 > Is there anyone here familiar with using the curses.h package from
 > OS9000? <Phil>
 >

Phil,

I worked with it a little last year. I uploaded an OS9K version of less
which uses curses to some small degree. Hmm, wait, or was that termcap?

btw, I finally got an OS9K system back up and running in the house and
plan on taking a look at that 221 error dmode. I actually got the same
error at least once that I remember for a module which was indeed in
memory. But it was after dmode ran fine several times and it ran fine
several times after that. I will let you know what I find out.



 ------------------------------------
  Zack C Sessions

    They say, "Money talks". But all mine ever says is, "Goodbye".


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88789 24-JUL 09:23 Programmers Den
     RE: OS9000 (Re: Msg 88783)
     From: PHILSCHERER  To: COLORSYSTEMS

Hi Zack--I'm trying to figure out how to use the curses package so I can
perhaps port over or generate some more basic utils. My first one will be
cls or clear screen. I did it in C on level 2 with the command clear(1); but
somehow I cant seem to get the right entry with curses. BTW someone who is
knowledgeable in OS9K offered to assist a programmer who would like to write
windows descriptors for OS9K --similar to the window ability in LII. If we
find a person interested and able to do this (I cant yet) then I will see if
the offer still stands. <Phil>

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End of Thread.

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88796 24-JUL 14:55 General Information
     RE: Press Release (Re: Msg 88706)
     From: 01GEN40      To: JOELHEGBERG (NR)

   Joel,
  Is cCheckbook+ still available for the CoCo and did it/does it
run under OS-9 L2?

LONG LIVE OS-9! <FOREVER> ** In whatever form it is in!

-= 01GEN40 =-

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88798 24-JUL 15:09 General Information
     RE: ANSI Codes needed (Re: Msg 88653)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: BOISY

I don't have an electronic version, so I can't help you
directly, but I can give you some pointers:

   Many PC programming books describe the ANSI emulation in some
detail.  The PC ANSI.SYS emulation is based in part on
ANSI standard X3.64, which is available in many University
libraries.  An appendix to X3.64 gives the ISO color codes
which are compatible with X3.64, but not a part of it.
The ISO equivalent to X3.64 is ISO/IEC 6429.

   There are many other terminal emulations based on these
standards, including DEC's VT-series.  V-Term's manual
includes a summary of the VT100 emulation in an appendix.
Ultimaterm's manual has a (slightly incorrect) summary
of VT100 and ANSI emulations in it's manual.

   ANSI emulation is really MSDOS-ANSI.SYS emulation.  There
are document on PC BBS an dsuch describing ANSI.SYS in some
detail.
                         - Tim

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88799 24-JUL 15:15 OSK Applications
     RE: zmodem crash recovery (Re: Msg 88673)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: JEVESTAL

One relevant note here:   `new' versions of rz/sz are NOT public
domain, and technically you shouldn't be using or modifying them
without licensing them from Omen Technologies.  I believe (but
have not yet verified) that rz/sz versions 1.XX are the ONLY
public domain versions of rz/sz.  Versions later than that are
copyrighted by Omen and have some peculiar usage restrictions.
   I suspect that the crash recovery option may have been deliberately
removed because it's not necessary if you're using it according
to the usage restrictions.  <grin>
                  Newer is not always better,
                                 Tim

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88800 24-JUL 15:16 Applications (6809)
     RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88678)
     From: TIMKIENTZLE  To: DBREEDING

Some modems only accept commands in upper case.  Perhaps you should
check IX's init strings and convert them to all upper case?
          - Tim

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88805 24-JUL 20:47 Applications (6809)
     RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88648)
     From: CPERRAULT    To: SCWEGERT

        >>I doubt it's IX causing your problems, but more a setting with
   the modem. If it's truely Hayse compliant, then you should have no
   difficulty making it work properly<<

        I wouldn't think it's IX either except that the modem works
   perfectly with all the terminal programs I ever use with it.

        >>Btwm the ATX commands have nothing to do with the verbose mode
   of the modem, does it?

        No, but someone mentioned that changing that around a bit might
   make a difference, which it didn't. The Ate and ATv commands default
   to the proper settings.

        >Chris<

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88813 25-JUL 00:45 Applications (6809)
     RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88800)
     From: DBREEDING    To: TIMKIENTZLE (NR)

 > Some modems only accept commands in upper case.  Perhaps you should
 > check IX's init strings and convert them to all upper case?

It wasn't me having the trouble.  I was trying to diagnose someone else's
problems.  I believe it was CPERRAULT, I'm in my editor now & can't look
it up.

Anyway, he apparently wasn't getting past his init string.  I wonder if
he was sending his reset string in the init string, and then ix sending
the dial string before modem got through init'ing itself.  As an experiment
I tried this, and sure enough, I got results similar to what he described.
Ix sends a reset string before the init, so reset here is not even needed
anyway.  He never replied on this.

No, my modem does accept lowercase.  I have nothing but praise for ix,
have it for the coco and have just sent in order for OSK version.

                   -- David Breeding --
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                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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88815 25-JUL 00:47 Applications (6809)
     RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88805)
     From: DBREEDING    To: CPERRAULT (NR)

Chris,

Did you check out my suggestion about not having the modem reset
string (ATZ if Hayes compat) in the ModemInit string?

I checked this out, and sure enough, if the reset string is sent here,
my modem will hang.  If you do have this, you will see 2 ATZ's on the
screen when you send the 'o' or 'm' cmd.  IX will do a reset before
this cmd is sent.  I think what is happening, ModemInit is sent, then
the dial string is sent immediately, and it takes a bit for my modem to
reset, and thus IMO, misses the start (maybe all) of the ATD... cmd.

                   -- David Breeding --
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                     Delphi :  DBREEDING

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88817 25-JUL 05:00 Applications (6809)
     RE: Infoexpress Trouble (Re: Msg 88815)
     From: EDELMAR      To: DBREEDING (NR)


 Chris (and others with modem problems),

 Be wary of using the 'atz' command with some of the newer, higher speed
 modems especially if they have fax capabilities.  The 'atz' command will
 not necessarily reset the modem to factory default, rather, it may reset
 the modem to the user profile as set by the 'at&w[n]' command.  You can
 view these settings with the 'at&v' command.  If your modem supports more
 than one user profile, you can usually select the profile by appending a
 number to the 'atz' command; i.e., 'atz0' or 'atz1'.  If you want factory
 defaults, use the command 'at&f'.  I've run into software that hardcodes
 'atz' as part of the initialization string which can cause all kinds of
 problems.  To get around this, enter your desired initialization string
 and append the string with 'at&w'.  Caveat - I don't know if the above is
 part of the 'HAYES standard' but it seems to work with modems from several
 different manufacturers.

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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88802 24-JUL 19:45 General Information
     CD-i == Way Cool...
     From: BOISY        To: ALL

Well folks, after waiting and waiting and waiting, I went to Sears today
and picked up a brand spanking new Model 220 Philips CD-i player.
The player came with Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia, and I bought an
extra title, "Hotel Mario."

It felt really good to go into a store and buy a supported OS-9 based
product, and see all the available software titles on the shelf for sale.
I liken the experience to buying my first CoCo (though I have to admit,
my youthful energy back in '86 afforded me much more excitement then
than it did today).

This jewel hooked up very easy to my existing stereo system (right
now it's playing an audio CD as I type this).  The picture is really
good on my television in spite of its age, and I feel like I made
a really good purchase (plus it was on sale for $20 off and I got
deferred billing for 6 mos. w/ no interest, more incentive to buy it <g>).

When I got to the store and walked up to the CD-i kiosk, I got the
surprise of my life.  There, new in the boxes, were 3 Maganvox CD-i
personal players.  Going for $299, these new CD-i machines look like
a Sega Genesis in size.  The CD is top loading (instead of front) and
can even take the FMV DV cartridge.  I assume Philips plans on taking
on the video game market with this model, since its shape and form
closely resemble that of the other popular game machiens.  It's black,
sleek looking, comes with a wired controller, and costs $200 less than the
appliance-style model; PLUS, it comes with Comptons AND Tennis.  So if you
want a nice OS-9 based game system without the fancies, you might
consider picking up this jewel (sorry, didn't get the model no.)

Now, I have to figure out how to hook it up to my MM/1....
--
Boisy G. Pitre__    __  __              Delphi:  BOISY
          |_   _|   \ \/ /              CompuServe:  74464,3005
I use...   _| |_     >  <               Internet:  boisy@os9er.waukee.ia.us
          |_____|NFO/_/\_\PRESS 1.2.0   OS-9 -- King of Operating Systems

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88807 24-JUL 22:49 General Information
     RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802)
     From: JOHNBAER     To: BOISY


   Boisy, congrats on your new `toy' <g>.

> This jewel hooked up very easy to my existing stereo system (right
> now it's playing an audio CD as I type this).  The picture is really
> good on my television in spite of its age...

   One thing I keep meaning to get is the `S-Video' cable, just
to see what kind of picture that will get me.. part# VCA1135,
list $15.98.. fits the 910 and 220 only.

   You'll want to keep your serial number handy, if/when you need
help with any games, call 800 845 7301 for `hints' <g>.  Also, you
can call and ask for a price sheet of all the goodies.

> When I got to the store and walked up to the CD-i kiosk, I got the
> surprise of my life.  There, new in the boxes, were 3 Maganvox CD-i
> personal players.  Going for $299, these new CD-i machines look like
> a Sega Genesis in size.  The CD is top loading (instead of front) and
> can even take the FMV DV cartridge.

   Good info.  First I heard of these models.  And speaking of FMV DV
cart's, that is the next `must have' item you'll want, only if your
interested in the `movies' <g>.  And, the movies are great.  I just
got Addams Family Values and it's better than VHS tape!  Crystal
clear pictures.. Yes.

> Now, I have to figure out how to hook it up to my MM/1....

   Check out the data base here, Frank Hogg, and I have uploaded
some info on the `box'.  Enjoy.

--
   John -

   < Posted with Ved 2.3.1  &  IX 1.2.0 >


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88818 25-JUL 07:21 General Information
     RE: CD-i == Way Cool... (Re: Msg 88802)
     From: JEJONES      To: BOISY (NR)

 > Well folks, after waiting and waiting and waiting, I went to Sears today
 > and picked up a brand spanking new Model 220 Philips CD-i player.
 > The player came with Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia, and I bought an
 > extra title, "Hotel Mario."

Well...while on my way to a rehearsal Saturday, I stopped at Best Buy.
They've finally gotten in some new discs--a fair number of Video CD
movies, which I'll have to wait a bit on, but also some new games.
I got *Inca* and *Kether*.  *Kether* has received good reviews in
the game magazines, and *Inca* is pretty slick, too.  Now, if I can
just I avoid getting myself blasted out of the sky almost immediately...
<sigh>

I do have to admit that *Kether*'s 3D segments are a lot more
impressive on a BIG screen TV.  When I saw it a while back at a
Rex store on a 36" or so TV, dodging those meteors induced a
considerable physical reaction.

 > Going for $299, these new CD-i machines look like
 > a Sega Genesis in size.

$299?  Yow!

Opinions herein are solely those of their respective authors.

Clipper Chip: Big Brother Inside

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88803 24-JUL 20:13 General Information
     True Lies !!
     From: MRUPGRADE    To: BOISY

  Boisy,, this is one you gotta catch!  True Lives now playing,, With Arnold
Swartza whatchamacakkut...
  Tom Arnold was perfect,,, dispite loosing thh fat lady (who can't sing).
  Great in this role.  Hey,, even Marty Goodman would like this one.
  Do leave your thinking cap home.
  and by all means,, sit near an isle,,, you'll find yourself rolling in it!
  I flat out cracked up!
  And BTW: if you folks are as lucky as we,, it's now in a wide screen theater
 with surround sound.  it's definately worth the bux,, would never be as good
 on a VCR.
  Don't miss this one

   Opinions expressed here, are strictly those of the author,,
     "who else would come up with such a zanny ideas"?
  /list

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