
85090 22-JAN 11:05 General Information
     RE: Hi Speed number (Sprintnet/Tymnet) (Re: Msg 84987)
     From: TOMFANN      To: JSHEPLER

You live in Akron?  So do I!

..Tom Fann

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85091 22-JAN 11:10 General Information
     RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 84995)
     From: TOMFANN      To: FHOGG

I saw it Thursday and it just made my day.  Their failure to capitalize
"color computer" was very irritating, though.  The part I like best is
Microsoft admitting that OS9 beat them.

..Tom Fann

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85098 22-JAN 13:11 General Information
     RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85091)
     From: FHOGG        To: TOMFANN

I think this has more meaning that we think. It 'may' mean something bigger
than OS9 on the CoCo did 10 years ago.


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85099 22-JAN 14:34 General Information
     RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85098)
     From: TOMFANN      To: FHOGG

I would certainly hope that Bell Atlantic has more of a vision than did
Tandy, and OS9 will finally get the recognition it deserves.  Tandy did
choose OS9 for the CoCo, but after that they dropped the ball.  OS9 and the
Color Computer were (are) an unbeatable combination of power, low price,
and accessibility.  To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD
have changed the course of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo
and OS9 instead of IBM-compatibles, with inexpensive, multitasking,
windowing computers in Radio Shacks in every little town in America.  They
would have had to bring out a CoCo professionally co    onfigured, of course,
with a separate keyboard, built-in MPI and disk drives, etc. (sort of like
your TC-9), but they could have done it inexpensively, and it would have
blown away contemporary IBM's and Macs.  This is all useless speculation,
but I enjoy useless speculation <g>.

Yes, I hope OS9 finally takes off, even though it won't be on the CoCo.

..Tom Fann

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85116 23-JAN 00:05 General Information
     RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85099)
     From: PAGAN        To: TOMFANN (NR)


 >To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD have changed the course
 >of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo and OS9 instead of
 >IBM-compatibles...

 I doubt that Tandy could have sold the COCO to business in competition with
 the IBM P.C.  As a home computer though it is still, IMO, unparalleled in
 bang per buck.

 However, rumor has it <g> that the OS9 clique at Tandy had a 68000 based
 machine with quality graphics and a GUI in the works around '85 or '86.
 That could have stomped the compatibles and the Mac flat!  However, Tandy's
 management was sleeping with Microsoft at the time so the project got
 squashed.

 Would have been better for the computing world because OS9 is not a "shrink
 wrap" opsys.  Competition would exist not just in the speed of the hardware
 but the efficiency of the port.  Also, because software would have to be
 device independent, the transition to RISC would have probably happened
 four or five years ago in high end PC's and would be reaching the home user
 about now.

 If it sounds like I'm claiming Microsoft and Intel have held computer
 development back, you're right.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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85131 23-JAN 15:21 General Information
     RE: Microware in the WSJ (Re: Msg 85099)
     From: DSPICER      To: TOMFANN (NR)

>I would certainly hope that Bell Atlantic has more of a vision than did
>Tandy, and OS9 will finally get the recognition it deserves.  Tandy did
>choose OS9 for the CoCo, but after that they dropped the ball.  OS9 and the
>Color Computer were (are) an unbeatable combination of power, low price,
>and accessibility.  To my dying day I will be convinced that Tandy COULD
>have changed the course of computing if they had concentrated on the CoCo
>and OS9 instead of IBM-compatibles, with inexpensive, multitasking,
>windowing computers in Radio Shacks in every little town in America.  They
>would have had to bring out a CoCo professionally configured, of course,
>with a separate keyboard, built-in MPI and disk drives, etc. (sort of like
>your TC-9), but they could have done it inexpensively, and it would have
>blown away contemporary IBM's and Macs.  This is all useless speculation,
>but I enjoy useless speculation <g>.

 I don't think Tandy can take all the blame. As I recall, Tandy was pushing
OS9 on its CoCo users way back in the beginning. But with documentation that
leaved ALOT to be desired as well as a rather high price tag for the
software, most CoCo users were scared to even attempt OS9. Only in recent
years has the majority taken the plunge. Too little, too late.

>Yes, I hope OS9 finally takes off, even though it won't be on the CoCo.

 I'll second that!

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End of Thread.

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85092 22-JAN 11:16 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: ROYBUR

The corelation between sunspot activity and weather trends has yet to
be proven.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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85100 22-JAN 15:40 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85092)
     From: ROYBUR       To: COLORSYSTEMS

 i used to think the idea was something like astrology, but as with astrology
 i try to remain a little open about the possibility. 8*).........roy

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85111 22-JAN 23:22 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85100)
     From: WA2EGP       To: ROYBUR

In the words of Judge Harold T. Stone: "I keep an open mind, but not so open
that my brains will fall out!"  Thought you'd appreciate that.

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85113 23-JAN 00:01 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087)
     From: PAGAN        To: ROYBUR


 >just the other day, a friend mentioned sunspot activity, claiming that for
 >the next 11 years or so we'll be having some strange weather...any comments
 >on that idea? 8*)...............roy

 Well, if your friend's basing that on astrology (mess #85100ge is the day I
quit programming and join
 a drug cult.

 Weather on Earth is a chaotic system and, as sll change slighi One article I
read claimed that, even if we could identify all of the inputs
 to a chaotic system like the weather, we still couldn't accurately predict
bye

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85114 23-JAN 00:03 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85087)
     From: PAGAN        To: ROYBUR


 >just the other day, a friend mentioned sunspot activity, claiming that for
 >the next 11 years or so we'll be having some strange weather...any comments
 >on that idea? 8*)...............roy

 Well, if your friend's basing that on astrology (mess #85100) I'd have to
 say "get a life!".  The day astrology is a better predictor of system
 behavior than mathematics and physics is the day I quit programming and join
 a drug cult.

 Weather on Earth is a chaotic system and, as such, is very sensitive to
 initial conditions.  Sunspot activity will change slightly the amount of
 energy reaching the Earth and a solar flare will pump out bunches of charged
 particles.  What effect this may have on weather is not at all understood as
 far as I know.

 One article I read claimed that, even if we could identify all of the inputs
 to a chaotic system like the weather, we still couldn't accurately predict
 the state at any time because some of the state changes are random.  Has
 something to do with harmonic confluence or some such phlogiston - I'm not a
 good enough mathematician to understand it completely.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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85121 23-JAN 01:21 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85114)
     From: MITHELEN     To: PAGAN (NR)

I think what them  weather folks should really do is spend more time figureing
out how to CONTROL the weather, then how to predict it... Seems
like a more wothwile endevor... Then they could move rain to where it was needed

and keep it warm in the midwest in the winter, so I could go watersking year
round.


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85122 23-JAN 01:48 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85111)
     From: ROYBUR       To: WA2EGP (NR)

 <G> yep, i do appreciate it. only...i don't think i have any toooooo much to
 worry about in that regard! i think i'm getting exponentially, er, "less
 intelligent" since oh, my 40th birthday. 8*)...........roy

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85123 23-JAN 01:54 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85113)
     From: ROYBUR       To: PAGAN (NR)

 no, he didn't make any ref to astrology; that was me, likening my belief in
 the effects of sunspot activity and my belief in astrology. that is, i don't
 feel that either has a great deal of credence BUT i can't totally disregard
 the possibility that either or both ideas might be correct. uh, did i say
 that any better this time? seems that written communication is not the best
 thing i am at! 8*)..............roy

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85124 23-JAN 02:06 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85114)
     From: ROYBUR       To: PAGAN (NR)

 looks like i replied to the astrology part as a reply to what i now see was
 an aborted message.
 haven't seen that word "phlogiston" for a long time; better be careful, it
 may not be politically correct! <G>
 judging from the success meteorologists have in their forecasts, everything
 you said about the unpredictability of weather _must_ be true. seriously,
 though, i don't see as yet that the weather for the past year is anything
 that hasn't happened before...just not for a few years. it's the "not for a
 few years" that seems odd to me. 8*)............roy

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85128 23-JAN 11:51 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85121)
     From: JOEGERBER    To: MITHELEN

TO QUOTE MARK TWAIN, "EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE WEATHER, BUT NOONE DOES
ANYTHING ABOUT IT."

JOE G.

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85129 23-JAN 11:55 General Information
     RE: Global Warming (Re: Msg 85128)
     From: JOEGERBER    To: JOEGERBER

"NOONE?!?"  OH WELL, I CAN'T SPELL EITHER!

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End of Thread.

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85093 22-JAN 11:16 Programmers Den
     RE: C question (Re: Msg 85071)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: BANANAMAN

 > Hmm.  Well, if putchar(), or putc() don't do writeln(), then I'm at a
 > loss as to why they would do any line editing.  If they don't do
 > writeln(), don't they have to do write()?

OK, I wasn't exactly right. What I was getting at was that no buffered
IO call is guarenteed to generate ANY system IO call at the time it is
called. The only time a system IO call is generated as a result of a
buffered IO call is if the buffer is full or a newline char is in the
output.

As JJ says, since the standard output path is defined as an SCF device,
any and all calls made by the system to flush a buffered IO cache will
be done with a writeln() call, I conceed that point.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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85096 22-JAN 12:04 Programmers Den
     RE: C question (Re: Msg 85058)
     From: DAVGEORGE    To: ZOGSTER

The problem with the code segment is you are using both buffered and
unbuffered I/O.

You need to do a fflush(stdout), or setbuf(stdout, 0) before you start, or
use all unbuffered I/O (ie. write(STDOUT, "hello", 5) - this is awkward so
when I need to do this I use my_write(STDOUT, "hello") where my_write is
the following:

my_write(path, str)
int path;
char *str;
{
  return(write(path, str, strlen(str)));
}

Of course this only works on zero terminated strings.

Hope this helps.  I am sure that others have also replied.

David George

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End of Thread.

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85094 22-JAN 11:34 Games & Graphics
     RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 84962)
     From: TOMFANN      To: REVWCP

Isn't it amazing what these young kids can do?  I am just beginning to learn
my way around OS9, and I'm 42.  I'll show you how times have changed...

When I was in eighth grade, I got a book out of the library that showed how to
build a computer.  It used a telephone dial to enter the data.  I added up the
prices of all the tubes, capacitors, etc. in the Lafayette catalog I had, and
it came to over $100!  I didn't have $100 so it never got built.  I paid $129
for my first computer, a CoCo 3, that had probably hundreds of times more
power (and convenience!) than that home-made job would have!!!

..Tom Fann

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85102 22-JAN 15:59 Games & Graphics
     RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 85094)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TOMFANN (NR)

 > prices of all the tubes, capacitors, etc. in the Lafayette catalog I had,

Ahh, the old "Lafayette catalog". We ARE showing our ages, now!!

My annual copy got so dogearred from making wish list after wish list, each
new year's copy was welcome!!

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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85112 22-JAN 23:29 Games & Graphics
     RE: Shanghai for Level 2 (Re: Msg 85102)
     From: WA2EGP       To: COLORSYSTEMS

The salepeople in my local Lafayette used to run in the back when I came in
the store.  Eventhough in high school at the time, I knew the catalog better
than they did.  Before it went belly up, I used to play "not stock item"/"out
of stock" with them.  Used to buy out certain parts and they'd never restock.

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End of Thread.

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85095 22-JAN 12:00 General Information
     RE: microware (Re: Msg 85089)
     From: TOMFANN      To: RICHKOTTKE

Yes, wasn't that great!  Frank Hogg has quoted some of the article is some
earlier messages.

I also wonder if this new development will open up some employment
opportunitiesfor those of you who have studied OS9 for so long.

..Tom Fann

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85103 22-JAN 17:12 General Information
     RE: microware (Re: Msg 85089)
     From: JEJONES      To: RICHKOTTKE

 > Did anyone else see the article about Microware and the new information
 > superhighway in Tuesday's "Wall Street Journal"?

Yes, I saw it.  Good article (though it's CERN, not "the University of
Cern," and OS-9, not OS/9 :-).

 > Pretty neat to see; even had a sketch of Ken Kaplan!

Yup; they always turn photos into pen-and-ink drawings (which is why I
was kind of shocked to see the article underneath with straight photos
of celebrity food labels).

   James
*** posted w/InfoXpress 1.1 ***

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85107 22-JAN 22:38 General Information
     RE: microware (Re: Msg 85103)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: JEJONES

I saw the article too, got a copy of it! Will be doing a write-up using that
as a (accredited!) source... maybe even some quotes from it.

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85115 23-JAN 00:03 General Information
     RE: microware (Re: Msg 85095)
     From: PAGAN        To: TOMFANN (NR)


 >I also wonder if this new development will open up some employment
 >opportunitiesfor those of you who have studied OS9 for so long.

 I surely hope so!  When I read Dr. Dobbs or C Users Journal I'd get
 depressed if I wasn't medicated!  Sometimes it seems all the work it took
 for me to understand OS9 is a waste.  Maybe for some it came easy but I had
 to make a _lot_ of mistake to get here.

 I'm still making mistakes.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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End of Thread.

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85097 22-JAN 13:04 General Information
     Cron
     From: TEDJAEGER    To: ALL

Where can a cron to run infoXpress be found? I scanned the osk applications
library and didnt see it. Doesnt seem to be one of the MM1 delivery disks.

Bests
---TedJaeger

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85101 22-JAN 15:59 General Information
     RE: Cron (Re: Msg 85097)
     From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TEDJAEGER (NR)

 > Where can a cron to run infoXpress be found? I scanned the osk
 > applications library and didnt see it. Doesnt seem to be one of the MM1
 > delivery disks.

Ted,

IMS distributed Mike Haaland's port of cron to OSK on the first (and only)
Upgrade Disk. It was buried in an ar archive in the BOOTMODS/WIN directory
called win..c..cron.ar, it has Edition 38 of Windio, the current version (at
the time) of Mike's cgfx.l (with doc files) along with cron.

------------------------------------
 Zack C Sessions
 ColorSystems

 "I am Homer of Borg, prepare to be assimi ... OOOOHHH, DOUGHNUTS!"


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End of Thread.

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85104 22-JAN 21:08 OSK Applications
     RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85077)
     From: VAXELF       To: LARRYOLSON

 AHHH, but it takes something call MONEY. At somewhere around
$170/4MEG, well it will take a while. I also want to go  the MM/1A route,
but again that old problem pops up again.

John D.

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85120 23-JAN 01:15 OSK Applications
     RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85104)
     From: MITHELEN     To: VAXELF

Ya.. tyoo bad the MM/1 didn't alloow use of 4- 1meg Sims... I just got Carl
Boll a greeat deal on 4- 1Megx9x70 Sims for 90$... If my MM/1 could have used
them, I could have a 5 meg MM/1 real cheep...

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85126 23-JAN 04:15 OSK Applications
     RE: Makpal_fix (Re: Msg 85060)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: LARRYOLSON (NR)

Larry,

 > While I have you here, do you know if anyone has written up a tutorial
 > on how to add sound to a 'C' program. I have another program that I have
 > pretty much finished but it would really add to the program if I could
 > add some sound effects.

It's actually pretty easy to add sound effects to a C program, provided
you have the effect made and know it's sample rate.  You can use the
_ss_play() feature.  In fact, the article for the latest issue of
68'Micros shows how you can store a digital sound sample in memory and
use the _ss_play() function to play it, all in C.



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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End of Thread.

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85105 22-JAN 21:35 General Information
     RE: spreadsheet formulae (Re: Msg 85083)
     From: COCOKIWI     To: ROYBUR

I,LL check with the Wife on this<grin> she knows it well<accountant>
I,m not,and do not know 123 as yet!
Dennis

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85125 23-JAN 02:08 General Information
     RE: spreadsheet formulae (Re: Msg 85105)
     From: ROYBUR       To: COCOKIWI (NR)

 thanks dennis! you'll both have my eternal gratitude. 'course, that don't
 put money in yer pocket.....<G>...........roy

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End of Thread.

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85106 22-JAN 22:28 OSK Applications
     RE: CD-ROM for OSK (Re: Msg 85056)
     From: DSRTFOX      To: WA2EGP

The incompatible media message probably came from the driver you are using, not
the device itself.

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85110 22-JAN 23:16 OSK Applications
     RE: CD-ROM for OSK (Re: Msg 85106)
     From: WA2EGP       To: DSRTFOX (NR)

Well, of course.  I guess there are different drivers out there.  Guess I'll
have to do a little
"messing around"

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End of Thread.

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85108 22-JAN 22:50 General Information
     System IV & V users?
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ALL

I'd like someone currently using a Delmar System IV and someone using a System
V to write up some comments or a review. Either the person can write the
review, or just make some notes and comments and I'll put then together into
a review. Just what you got, how easy/hard it was to get set up and running,
any problems encountered, and then your general impression of the system,
including what you'd like to see changed. Contact me in mail if you might
be interested. Will be published later this year in "68' micros"

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85109 22-JAN 22:59 General Information
     68' micros
     From: DSRTFOX      To: ALL

The last issue (01FEB94) of "the world of 68' micros" was mailed out third
class Thursday afternoon (20 Jan). So the entire load would arrive in
Atlanta and be sorted on the 21st. If you subscribe, please drop me a line
in E-mail with the date yours came in. They should be in-home byt the 8th
of February, which is the target date. I would normally have waited until
26/27 FEB to send them if mailing 1st class, but got them out a week early to
make up for the time difference, and will continue to do so. I just need to
know if I allowed enough lead time, so I can change for the next issue (if
necessary). Mailing third class means that the magazine is actually showing
a profit now... not enough to really pay something, but enough to make it
worth putting out as a "second job". I had more printed this time than
any other (nearly 300!) and EVERY ONE (well, all but three) were sent out!
So far, so good! Subscribers make the difference, and the letters and words
of encouragement here make the effort more valuable than any monetary return
alone could bring!

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85117 23-JAN 00:06 OSK Applications
     G Windows Beta Tester
     From: PAGAN        To: ALL

 I need a few G-Windows users who can help me by beta testing a new file
 finder utility.

 If you're interested please reply in E-Mail.  Include which version of OSK
 you're using and the edition number on your cio, math and wfm modules.

 Stephen (PAGAN)

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85118 23-JAN 00:53 General Information
     os-9 L2
     From: RGT          To: ILLUSIONIST (NR)

 You said that you got os-9 level 2 for 10$.
 About a year ago I got a new os-9 level two for $1.00!
 apon leaving the saleperson asked why I needed suck a thing.

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85119 23-JAN 01:01 Music & Sound

     From: RGT          To: ALL

  To all,
           I was just a wonderin if there were any kind of screen saver
t you'd view and also here some kind of music to go with it.
     For osk68000.

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85127 23-JAN 04:16 OSK Applications
     RE: OPutBlk () (Re: Msg 85088)
     From: JOELHEGBERG  To: MREGC (NR)

Eric,

 > > Not true--remember that for the most part, those routines are just
 > layers > around the features windio provides...
 >
 > I still tend to think that function written WELL in assembly, (assuming
 > Kevin's code is well written,) will outperfrom, if not vastly outperform a
 > a similar well written function in C.

You are probably right, but the cgfx.l library was written in C, so it
really won't be optimized either.  Also, to write your own routine, all
you'd need to do is send out the appropriate display codes to the
screen, and there's not a whole lot of optimization you can do with that
as it's just a write() function.  You just have to write the correct
sequence of bytes to the window to get the OPutBlk function to work, so
you may wanna give that some thought.



  -- Joel Mathew Hegberg.

 Delphi   : JOELHEGBERG
 GEnie    : j.hegberg
 Internet : JoelHegberg@delphi.com


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85130 23-JAN 15:11 General Information
     Rupert Murdoch
     From: LUCKYONE     To: ALL


I read in the January issue of _Wired_ that Rupert Murdoch has pruchased
Delphi. He's the guy that owns the Fox Network, TV Guide, and a bunch of
other stuff. This can put Delphi up there with the big boys.

   Howard Luckey
   delphi LUCKYONE
   CIS 74746,3207

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