From: SAAVIK              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 13:23:56
Message Number 14001

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! I got 14000!!!!!!! I know, (sigh), who cares?
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From: KEN SABLE           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 13:36:26
Message Number 14002

Ya, but after you hit 'em with a Mercury, they don't look and say "Wow!
what a nice car!"
 
  heheh
 
     \\ Sable
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From: KEN SABLE           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 13:37:32
Message Number 14003

Hey, I thought you liked IBM!  hehehe  Anyways, naw, BMW's are fairly
nice-looking (I think) .. They go faster than my Toyota .. The new one
has 12 Cylenders, and they are well-built ... No, the IBM of the car
market would be a company that charges $100,000 for a new car, and when
a belt breaks, you have to replace the entire engine for $70,000 instead
of the $25 belt!
 
  \\ Sable
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From: KEN SABLE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 13:39:33
Message Number 14004

> ... wear punp-up tennis shoes ...
 
Nope!  I wear Punp-Up CROSS TRAINING SXT shoes.  On the tennis ones, the
pump looks like a little furry tennis-ball!
 
:pppppppp
 
  \\ Sable
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:27:36
Message Number 14006

SS> (Description of a stud-muffin.)
 
T> I will have to take your word on the last; I wouldn't know. 
  
Be careful now, you wouldn't want the Specialist to get after you. heheh
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: handle         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:32:50
Message Number 14007

PW> ..Oh yeah, my girlfriend was watching over my shoulder as I logged 
PW> on to change my handle and I has to satiate her appetite for 
PW> complete and total domination over me. 
  
In other words, you really are pussy whipped.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:37:42
Message Number 14008

SA> Am I rambling or does anyone know what I'm talking about. 
  
Yep, you're rambling.  But I understand what you're talking about. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:39:20
Message Number 14009

SA. Ha ha ha ha!!!! I got #14000!!!! I know, (sigh), who cares? 
  
I care.  Grrrrrrrrrrr
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From: RAT                 
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: Gratitude      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:56:56
Message Number 14010

Uh, Yeah. Thanks a lot Silverdawn.(Sarcastically)
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From: RAT                 
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: Tights         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 15:59:42
Message Number 14011

Oh, c'mon! Wimp.  When you see girls in tights, don't you think
they're not very ugly?  Well, They'll think the same about you.
(Laugh,Laugh)
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From: RAT                 
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: bashing        
Date & Time: 03/21/91 16:04:32
Message Number 14012

Let's leave your mother out of this. Ok?  Just kidding.  I don't
want to hurt your feelings.(comfortingly)
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From: RAT                 
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: bashing        
Date & Time: 03/21/91 16:10:51
Message Number 14013

Let me have the privilage of thanking you for helping him
try to make me look like a homo.
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From: P.WHIPPED           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: handle         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 16:39:55
Message Number 14014

in a word.... kindamasorta
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From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: BEATLE              
Subject: monopolizing   
Date & Time: 03/21/91 16:54:32
Message Number 14015

Don't try to feel real important.  
 
I look at it this way, noone who would end up at a furry party has an 
extended-type attention span anyway.  In fact (and Crystal and I were
just talking about this last night) ... some furries I know who shall 
remain nameless (actually a few of them) ... you kinda have to talk to 
them like you'd talk to a sprinkler.  Whenever the head is pointed in 
your direction, you talk to it....   actually, I'm like that... so 
don't worry about it.  Go to the furry party and have fun.
                                Dirty Wrat
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From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: mercedes       
Date & Time: 03/21/91 17:01:34
Message Number 14016

Mercedes is like the IBM of the car world.... and they accelerate well
too.
    Dirty Wrat
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From: MICHAEL ALLEN       
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 01:44:41
Message Number 14018

Will saavic be there she sound's kind of neet I would like to meet hur.

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From: DEATH FENNEC        
To: ALL                 
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 02:09:16
Message Number 14020

Well, I was kinda in neighborhood, so I decided to drop in and say to
most of you, which I have spoken to before, 'Hi!', and the same to those
of you in which I haven't. :) I am currently looking for something to 
do, and to talk about, so if you have anything to say, please drop me a 
letter ... I would appreciate it.  Oh, by the way, I have 'BMOSJ', ---
brought my own straight jacket ... Never leave home without it !!! :)
 
        ==-->>> Death Fennec <<<--==
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From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Message        
Date & Time: 03/21/91 02:52:28
Message Number 14021

TS> StarBlazer -
I played hell out of that game way back when - the absolute most
addicting was a litle damned game caled Drelbs - I still boot
my Apple just to play that damned game...
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Pervading      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 02:54:58
Message Number 14022

T> No mention of a filter...
  
I second that Grrrr!  I really hae to hear crap like that.
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From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Tits UP?       
Date & Time: 03/21/91 03:00:53
Message Number 14023

SS> I'm not /that/ new,.
 
It;'s all relative my man... I operated my first modem over two
Apple //'s back in 1978 - I was hooked.  At 300 baud I was still
blown away with visions of CyberSpace. Took me two years to get my own
(a mentor owned the system) in the meantime i used a UNIX machine
and chatted on ARPANET...  them's the days...
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From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Tits UP?       
Date & Time: 03/21/91 03:04:00
Message Number 14024

SS> "Hey I'm a ninja...
Well - the poinjt I was trying to make is that ninjutsu basically
trains to subjugate the body and concentrate your will through 
self-training exercises.  Hardly the kid of person that would be
an impromptu lover or sex-object.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 03:05:59
Message Number 14025

SS> What's the seven knots to heaven?
 
First you start with an anal fixation....
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ALL                 
Subject: YUPPER         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:11:32
Message Number 14026

   Geeeeze, SnakeByte is still alive......well, sort of. I been out
of touch a little....loooooong story. I may be getting back on, or
maybe not....depends....! Just thought I'd pop in and see if the
main boards are still up and if I'm still a user or a newbie. Hope
you guys and gals (gals?....hmmmm) are still shakin' the phone
lines. See ya around the boards....sooon I hope...<sigh>
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:17:14
Message Number 14027

Hit anything with my little car and all they do is laugh. :( 
I'd get the worst part of it, believe me. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:19:25
Message Number 14028

SS: Yep, you're rambling. But I understand what you're talking about. 
  
Er, What WAS I talking about????? See, I'm still rambling. Hey, are we 
to bring anything to the Furry Party? Opps, I'm asking the wrong person.
Never mind. I AM bringing something..... "Lady in Red". 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:21:29
Message Number 14029

And the race is on. Next good message 14444. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: RAT                 
Subject: bashing        
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:22:32
Message Number 14030

RAT: Let's leave your mother out of this. OK? I don't want to hurt your
     feelings. 
  
Too late! What a RAT you are!!!!!! 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: MICHAEL ALLEN       
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:24:54
Message Number 14031

Hur will be there with bells on.... lugging a couple of print outs under
her arm and accompanied by Lady in Red. You'll really like her. She's 
cute!! 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: DEATH FENNEC        
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:26:28
Message Number 14032

Hi, Death Fennec. We chatted on Terran a week or so ago but I got dumped
in the middle of our conversation, (damn that Randem's computer!!). 
Nice to see you in this neck of the woods. You Will be at the Furry 
Party??    
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Tits UP?       
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:28:40
Message Number 14033

Well, I AM that new. I just got my modem in January and I am totally 
hooked (as if you couldn't tell by the millions of messages I leave 
everywhere).  I call the boards in my sleep...... funny, no one ever 
replies to THOSE messages. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: YUPPER         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:31:58
Message Number 14034

Hi ya, Snakebyte (cute handle). 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 04:33:43
Message Number 14035

Do you want me to bring anything inparticular to the party?? I'd like to
help out if I can. 
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:34:10
Message Number 14043

>With ALL the people there [@ Furry Party], you have to share everyone
>with everyone else, and it can get frustrating.
 
It may be just me, but I'm having difficulty parsing that...furry
parties are very unusual social events, but I'm not quite sure if
that's what you were driving at.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:36:02
Message Number 14044

>I am NOT uptight.
 
You're uptight.
 
>I just have a little problem talking about something that kinky.
 
Why??!! Sex is a part of every normally functional adult's life, and
it makes little (read: no) sense to treat it as somehow unspeakable
or intrinsically different from any other type of experience. I can
understand finding conversation about something you don't happen to
enjoy distasteful, but why would it be a problem to talk about?
 
>I guess I am uptight.
 
Ding.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:38:58
Message Number 14045

>I have two children depending on me...
 
...which is precisely why you can't survive with the attitude I have.
I am not responsible for anyone other than myself, so I don't have that
concern...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: I never learn. 
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:40:15
Message Number 14046

>Divine Justice.
 
Implying that I'm God?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:41:34
Message Number 14047

>Nope! I wear Punp-Up CROSS TRAINING SXT shoes.
 
And you are not disproving my point by noticing the distinction and
imagining it to be important... :P
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: monopolizing   
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:44:04
Message Number 14048

>...you kinda have to talk to them like you'd talk to a sprinkler.
 
What are you tryin' to say, man?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: YUPPER         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:47:05
Message Number 14049

Well, like, welcome back, long time no see, and hope you can check in
more often. You still workin' at the same place, and have any plans
for another Road Rallye in the forseeable future??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:48:41
Message Number 14050

>Hur will be there with bells on...
 
The party to whom that message is addressed will not receive it, I
fear. Due to certain unacceptable behavior on his last login session.
dear Michael Allen has been twitted.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:50:03
Message Number 14051

>You Will be at the Furry Party??
 
He certainly is. (The furry party actually started on Wednsday, sort
of; I expect it'll be going on 'til Monday, with most of the activity
concentrated Saturday night and Sunday morning.) 'Fact, as I type
this, he's asleep in the damn waterbed...he beat me to it, which means
I get to crash on the floor in the living room tonight AND IT'S MY
APARTMENT!! *sigh* Turtle's Life, and welcome to it...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 08:52:15
Message Number 14052

Hmm. Well, guests aren't really under any special obligation to bring
anything at all to the Furry Party. If you want to help out by dragging
over some Dew or edibles, that's fine, and if you happen to have any
photographic equipment lying around you'll probably want to bring it
too (although that's not the same thing, I suppose). Other than that,
whatever seems like a good idea to you...
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:42:56
Message Number 14053

Ding, yourself!!!!! So I am a little uptight when it comes to discussing
sex. It comes from having parents who were 40 years old when I was born.
Sex was something you DID NOT talk about in my house. Now that I am 
older, (and wiser?) I can talk about it, but I still get embarrassed. 
I'm working on it......, I would probably be a "real" prude if it hadn't
been for the surrogate family I had as a teenager. 
Sex is something that lots of people have trouble discussing. It doesn't
mean that they are UPTIGHT!!!!! I can fling induendos with the best of 
them.... but a serious sexual conversation is a little harder for me. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:46:54
Message Number 14054

T:I am not responsible for anyone other than myself, so I don't have 
that concern.... 
  
Yep! Children mold your whole way of living. If I didn't have kids, I'd 
probably be much more spontaneous and carefree too. (and maybe not so 
UPTIGHT?)
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: I never learn. 
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:49:23
Message Number 14055

SA: Divine Justice. 
  
T: Implying that I'm God?
 
I would never imply such a thing. Maybe I just happen to think you are 
divine. Heheh. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:52:00
Message Number 14056

T: Dear Micheal Allen has been twitted. 
  
And you said you weren't God, Hmmmph! 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:53:38
Message Number 14057

Now don't you all go getting burned out before the big event. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 18:54:49
Message Number 14058

I will bring a video camera and lot's of tapes as well as some munchies 
and Mountain Dew. May I bring some Rum and Diet Coke? Or would you 
prefer not having alcohol on premisis? 
===========

From: P.WHIPPED           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/21/91 19:28:02
Message Number 14059

Don't sweat it.  As Dirty Wratt can testify it's a wonder that they
knew enough about sex to even have me.  They're fine as long as they
don't have to face reality (They're also fundamentalists).  You'll 
get more comfortable talking about it as time goes on...probably.
===========

From: P.WHIPPED           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Turtle         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 19:31:07
Message Number 14060

Turtle isn't god, he's merely a prophet to whom god (i think that would
be Jesse Helms if you asked him) has given the power of twitting.
===========

From: DEATH FENNEC        
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 19:53:55
Message Number 14061

     Well, actually, yes, I am, and then if you will show up, then I 
shall be able to see you, and I will be able to talk to you.  This is
going to be one hell of a party.  Turtle may/may not be able to make his
famous 'Hot And Horny Foxes!'  Well, they are supposedly good from what 
I have heard.  Have you ever had one before?  I have only been to one of
the furry parties before, and that was 'RufusCon II', and that was kinda
fun in a way.  I got to meet other artists, which I had met Jimmy Chin, 
a very good artist.  Hmm.  Well, you sound like you would be quite 
intersting, and I hope to speak, or meet with you soon.  Well, I guuess 
that you are a busy person.  So, I shall be going to 
go for now.  
 
 
      Oh, by the way, today is Turtles Birthday!  So, leave him mail !!!
 
 
      Death Fennec --
/
s
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Tandy Bashing..
Date & Time: 03/21/91 20:21:05
Message Number 14062

>That's government efficiency!
  
I agree, and you are right. Most of the stuff I see for sale in the
flyers are from govt. research labs and stuff and the agency selling
it is the General Services Administration. They turn over the money to 
the Treasury and I suppose it goes into a big slush fund somewhere.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: ALL HOMO BASHERS    
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/21/91 20:47:34
Message Number 14064

   For those of you who enjoy bashing homosexuals, read today's
Sarasota Herald-Tribune. (22 March)  It seems that one extreme homo-
phobe (homosexual hater, okay?) during a routine check-up for his life
insurance tested HIV-positive.
   The gentleman in question had made a habit of literally bashing 
homosexuals: of beating them up rather viciously. It's guessed that
some HIV-positive blood of a homosexual got mixed with his blood while
he was engaged in this pursuit...
     
   Serves him right.
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: BFE            
Date & Time: 03/21/91 20:52:28
Message Number 14065

   I've had to live out there, too. Not much to do at night but chase
poisonous snakes from the pool and listen to the roaring of the lions.
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 20:54:52
Message Number 14066

   I think many of us know what you mean, Saavik. I'm trying to 
balance keeping my professors and my parents at bay, and find a job
this summer. <SIGH!> At New College, you're always clawing to stay
afloat. (With some 65-70% of any class being lost by the wayside, it's
obvious that we all work hard.)
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 20:58:34
Message Number 14067

   Yes, you have to share everyone with everyone else in the party. No
hogging, please! There will be plenty of time for seconds or thirds...
    
   I think what he was talking about was conversation. On a BBS, there
can be a large number of conversations going on all at once, and every-
one has time to respond or not to everyone else. In real life, it's
hard to "butt in" on a conversation without being rude; on a BBS, it's
extremely easy. Also, on a BBS, you have time to type long expressions
like this withou boring the other person; that doesn't happen in real
life.
                   /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: monopolizing   
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:03:40
Message Number 14068

>Some furries I know... you kinda have to talk to them like you'd talk
>to a sprinkler. Whenever the head is pointed in your direction, you
>talk to it.
     
   Hee hee hee! We're all Turtles under the flesh.
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: MICHAEL ALLEN       
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:05:04
Message Number 14069

>Will saavic be there she sound's kind of neet I would like to meet hur.
    
   I don't know. Why don't you ask Saavik? (Picking Michael up and 
turning him in the right direction, toward Saavik.)
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: DEATH FENNEC        
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:06:47
Message Number 14070

>I am currently looking for something to do, and to talk about, so
>if you have anything to say, please drop me a letter.
   
   Okay! I think I'll drop th lttr "e." Or mayb not.
Things to do around the Sarasota/ Bradenton area:
    
1. Practice your jogging. Go to the center of the New College Palm
   Court and shout, "YOU BUNCH OF HIPPIE FREAKS! DON'T YOU KNOW THE
   SIXTIES ARE DEAD?"
    
2. Practice the fine art of spoon-hanging.
    
3. Try to pickpocket a policeman's gun. (Always wonderful for some 
   laughs!)
    
4. Start a new religion.
    
5. Skinny-dip in the ocean and shock the retirees.
     
6. Practice your jogging. At midnight, take a leisurely stroll down
   MLK drive with a T-shirt reading "David Duke for LA governor."
     
7. Try to find a store that sells sealing wax. (I'm serious!)
     
                    /Dragonfly/
    
More ideas, later.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:20:17
Message Number 14071

   It's easier to discuss sex when the words are just "blips on a 
screen" than when you're discussing it face-to-face. Over a modem,
there's not much of a chance the person is trying to seduce you.
In person, it's often a thinly disguised attempt.
      
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:23:17
Message Number 14072

   The strongest alcohol we've had at furry parties have been "Hot and
Horny Foxes" (apple juice, apple schnapps, and cinammon -- and maybe
other ingredients.) The second strongest so far was mulled wine.
    
   Bring alcohol if you feel like it: use your judgement who to offer
it to. (I rarely drink, and won't touch any that night. I'll be driving
four hours after I leave that party!)
     
                 /Dragonfly/
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:34:14
Message Number 14073

PW: You'll probably get more comfortable taking about it as time goes
    on.....probably. 
 
I'd better hurry up or I'll be too old to Act on it. I ain't getting any
younger. Well, I can discuss the subject with close friends........... 
it's a little harder with total strangers. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: Turtle         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:36:26
Message Number 14074

All hail the Twit God. Thou shalt not be a jerk or thou shalt be 
deleted. 
 
A commandment was missed. Better speak with Moses about that....... 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: DEATH FENNEC        
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:38:36
Message Number 14075

Well, I will Definately be there Saturday night so I'll see ya then. 
I'm looking forward to it. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Confusion      
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:40:54
Message Number 14076

Yeah, sometimes I'd just like to say "the hell with it", kick back and
coast. But if I do, I always pay for it later. Ah, well, such is life. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:42:34
Message Number 14077

Ok, I see what you mean. Well, with so many people at a party, it's not 
hard to share. Just sort of drift from conversation to conversation. 
Kind of like the chat lounge on Terran Trace. Hehhe. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:44:09
Message Number 14078

Won't do me any good to answer Micheal Allen...... he's in Twit heaven
now. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/21/91 21:45:46
Message Number 14079

It's easier to talk about "anything" over a modem. I mean, if you truly 
disgrace yourself, you have the option of never calling again or 
changing your handle. I have made some very good friends over this wire,
as I'm sure you have to. I'd hate to have anything stop me from posting 
here........ I'm looking forward to meeting those I haven't yet. 
 
I'm not really worried about a sexual discussion turning into "the big 
come on". I'm old enough to know how to handle that. Duh! As Nancy 
Reagan would say...... "Just say no!"    Hehehh. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/23/91 00:10:20
Message Number 14089

>Serves him right.
 
Heh, heh, heh. Maybe there is justice in the world.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Things to Do   
Date & Time: 03/23/91 00:11:59
Message Number 14090

>"David Duke for LA governor."
 
That's a good one, yep yep yep. Ranks right up there with putting
an LSD/DMSO mixture in the sprinkler system at a New Kids on the Block
concert and setting off the fire suppression system.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 00:32:47
Message Number 14091

>It's easier to discuss sex when the words are just "blips on a screen"
>than when you're discussing it face-to-face.
 
Naah. I don't think that's necessarily true at all; if you have trouble
discussing sex, it's gonna be hard no matter how you do it.
 
>[on a computer]...there's no chance that the person is trying to seduce
>you.
 
Not true at all. You ever see a case of board rape?
 
>In person, it's often a thinly-disguised attempt.
 
I disagree there, too. There's a difference between 'discussing sex' and
'bragging about your sexual exploits'; the latter is more likely to
be a thinly (or not) disguised attempt at seduction.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/23/91 00:36:32
Message Number 14092

>Well, I can discuss the subject with close friends............
>it's a little harder with total strangers.
 
And where, pray tell, do we here at A/R fall? :>
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 00:38:11
Message Number 14093

>It's easier to talk about "anything" over a modem.
 
Huh-uh...try discussing a delicate subject where a misstep is likely
to cause the other person to become angry or hurt...it's very, very
difficult to convey anything involving strong or subtle emotion over a
computer..
===========

From: SILVERDAWN          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/23/91 02:46:18
Message Number 14096

You know, I really think AIDS is one of the most hideous forms of death,
and I wish to G-d it were eradicated from the face of Mother Earth. But 
heaven help me, I couldn't stop myself from hissing, "Serves you right, 
you son of a bitch!" upon reading that article.
   Living proof you don't have to be gay to get AIDS.
  
  
  
Silverdawn
 
===========

From: SILVERDAWN          
To: ALL                 
Subject: Sealing Wax    
Date & Time: 03/23/91 02:59:52
Message Number 14097

   If there *is* a place to get it in Sarasota, let me know. I'm running
low.
   Much better, however, to go to the middle of Palm Court in the midst 
of a bad wall-- like, oh, say THIS ONE-- and yell, "Hey, Matt! Your 
taste in music SUCKS!"
   Whenever it's an all-rap wall, Matt's running it by default. Talk 
about dictators....
 
  
  
Silverdawn
  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Pervading      
Date & Time: 03/23/91 08:18:59
Message Number 14098

As far as game addictions game, I've got myself a new one.   The Curse
Of The Azure Bonds, it's a Dungeons & Dragons game.  I played it for 
about 10 hours straight yesterday. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Tits UP?       
Date & Time: 03/23/91 08:21:09
Message Number 14099

JB> Ninjutsu.....spew....blah...blather.
  
*yawn* 
 
You're just being argumentative, and you know it. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 08:26:02
Message Number 14100

SA> I guess I am uptight. 
 
T> Ding
 
Ding. 
===========

From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/23/91 10:52:45
Message Number 14101

> . . . you have the option of never calling again or
>changing your handle.
 
That's true, but one of the worst habits to get into is getting 
yourself into a situation, realizing you can't deal with it and 
then evaporating.  Trust me, I know.  Talking about things like sex
on a bulletin board might FEEL safer, because you never have to 
look who you're talking to in the eye, you can spend time between 
question and answer thinking about the "truth" of a matter and whether
or not you want to let it out, and you DO have an alias, or an option
to keep anonymity.  
 
 In any case, using a BBS for those kinds of discussions can be a 
sort of therapy, because once you tell a 'secret' and you get a 
response to it, you can let your guard down because you know what
to expect as a response.  
 
Sorry, got me off on a little tangent there... 11am is NOT a good time
to JUST BE GETTING TO SLEEP!!!!  Mind tends to wander.
                   -- Dirty
                        W r a t t 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Korea/ Japan   
Date & Time: 03/23/91 11:40:13
Message Number 14102

I know what I'm talking about too, I *lived* in Korea for two years.
Plus I got the opportunity to take culture classes, and interact with 
the people; I speak some Korean.  Ask your Korean roommate how much the
avereage Korean likes the Japaneese....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/23/91 11:45:23
Message Number 14103

T>...inserted into the males anal orfice...
 
You mean that they stick something up your ass?  Sounds sickeningly gay.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/23/91 11:48:49
Message Number 14104

SA>Stud bookend?  As in two?  Shudder the thought...
 
Sure, didn't you know that Turtle was the other one?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Stuff, IV      
Date & Time: 03/23/91 11:50:15
Message Number 14105

SA>Why?  Why not just ell him you're not interested... 
 
Well, that would be my way of telling him...I'm sure that he wouldn't 
ask again....
 
SA>Would you feel good about yourself for pounding a guy for asking?
 
Hmmm.  Would I feel good?  No, but I would feel vindicated. 
 
Look at it like this.  I hate fags, because they are sick, and they 
act strangely, and they just repulse me.  So, if a fag comes to me and
propositions me, then I have to look at it like this:  he looked at me,
and figured that I looked enough like a fag to come and proposition me.
Therefore, he thinks that I look like a fag.  Keeping in mind that I 
find fags utterly repulsive, by association, he has just insulted me.
If someone insults me, usually I can pass it off, or let it slide.  Some
men can't field insults about thier mothers without "going off" on you.
I can't (WON'T) field insults which insinuate that I'm gay.  
 
Besides, if someone you didn't like came up and gave you the most 
blatant insult you can think of, what would you do?  I think you would 
find it difficult to ignore....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 11:56:58
Message Number 14106

TS>Hey, leave me out of it.
 
SS>Why?  You're the one who jumped in and promptly beat the shit out of
SS>me for the whole BBS community to see.
 
But...but...you asked me to!  "Here," you said, holding your jaw out.
"Kick me!"  Well, you were wide open, and you *asked* me to....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAT                 
Subject: Fag Bashing    
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:00:18
Message Number 14107

R>BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH
 
Hear, Hear! Well Spoken!  Bravo!  Encore, encore!  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RAT                 
Subject: Beaver         
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:01:21
Message Number 14108

Gosh, Wally.
 
Gee, Beave!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:03:21
Message Number 14109

T>I'm not in the business of policing peoples' conversation or seeing 
T>to it htat nobody sees anything that might offend them; I'm nin the
T>business of running a bulletin board.
 
Well spoken. And IBM is in the business to make money.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Humor          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:10:54
Message Number 14110

KS>They go faster than my Toyota...
 
My Camaro went faster than your Toyota, but it was a piece of sh*t.
 
KS>No, the IBM of the car market would be a company that charges, 
KS> $100,000 for a new car, and when a belt breaks, you have to replace
KS>the entire engine for $70,000 instead of the $25 belt!
 
Oh, then we are talking about Audis...I knew a guy who bought one for 
untold amounts of money and had to replace the engine....  Not a happy
camper, when all said and done.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:16:40
Message Number 14111

SS>[Description of a stud-muffin] ...and delicious.
T>I will have to take your word on that last; I would't know.
SS>Be carefull now, you wouldn't want the Specialist to get after you.
SS> heheh
 
Actually, I was rather alarmed by your original description of a 
stud-muffin, since the way you described it sounded like the voice of
experience talking....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DEATH FENNEC        
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:20:20
Message Number 14112

Greetings Death Fennec.  Tell me, have you ever played Dungeons and 
Dragons, or do you belong to the SFCA? 
 
Death Fennec...hmmm.  Lemme guess...Lawful Evil thief.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:27:09
Message Number 14113

DF>[Paper article about poor man who caught AIDS from some goddamn 
DF>faggot...]
DF>Serves him right.
 
Bzzt.  It's really too bad that the poor guy caught AIDS.  Although, if 
you're gonna go homo-Pounding, you really should take precautions not 
to contaminate yourself in the process.  Use "tools and picks, and other
implements of destruction" to pound on gays, which should keep you at a
distance and safe from any of thier diseases.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:35:51
Message Number 14114

DF>Serves him right.
T>Heh, heh, heh.  Maybe there is justice in the world.
 
Yes, they call it AIDS...and it started wiping out gays a long time
ago.  Justice, certainly.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:37:58
Message Number 14115

SD>I couldn't help myself from hissing "Serves you right, you son of a 
SD>bitch!"  upon reading that article. 
 
And I suppose you pronounced it, "Thon of a Bithch!
right? 
 
Pink tights...hmph.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:40:36
Message Number 14116

DW>...like changing your handle...
 
I have had the same handle since I started BBS'ing, and what I say,
I stand behind, and if I am wrong, I say so.  But if I'm not, I'll
argue the point...until it gets old.  But if I'm right, ain't nobody
gonna change my mind.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: Get this...    
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:44:41
Message Number 14117

Get this...my girlfriend call me a homophobe!  Can you believe it?
 
ARRRRRRRGH!  Well, that was a short relationship....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Ranged weapons.
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:45:48
Message Number 14118

Oh, I forgot to add, to my last post to you, that when going 
fag-pounding, use a ranged weapon...my weapon of choice is nunchucks.
  That way, I can get in a few shots and still keep my distance.
 
And that goes to all you other fag-...lovers out there, too.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:50:46
Message Number 14119

DF> (Fag-bashing justice?)
  
Well, I. personally, don't bash homos, but I don't particularly like 
them hitting on me.  But, I definitely don't agree with your 
statement:  "Serves him right."  I wouldn't wish that kind of death
on anyone.  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: BBS BS         
Date & Time: 03/23/91 12:54:23
Message Number 14120

Well, I found your long message boring.  hehehehe
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Sainthood      
Date & Time: 03/23/91 13:01:39
Message Number 14121

T>....Does that make me a saint or soemthing? 
 
PRAY....CHANT....INVOKE....you are now officially sainted.  Your title 
is Archduke of BBS.  (I hope you like that better than stud-muffin of 
the BBS. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Stuff, IV      
Date & Time: 03/23/91 13:09:54
Message Number 14122

TS> >>Then I haeve to look at it like this:  he looked at me, and 
TS> figured that I looked enough like a fag.  
  
There's only one thing wrong with that statement, fags hit on straight 
men too.  Remember, that guy at Winn-Dixie I told you about?  
 
You realize we are discussing fags, and fag-bashing again, wasn't this
a subject you wanted to drop? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 13:12:43
Message Number 14123

TS> But....but...you asked me to!  "Here,"you said, holding your jaw out
TS> "Kick me!" Well, you were wide open, and you *asked* me to....
 
Grrrrrrrrr.......I never asked you to kick me, especially when I was 
down.  Geez, you never let up.  (Scott Steel gets up and heads after 
The Specialtits with a vengeance.)   ( Note Specialtits, he called me 
Scooter, I can call him Specialtits.) 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: philly         
Date & Time: 03/23/91 14:29:41
Message Number 14124

KO>Boy do I miss good hoagies, cheesesteaks...
 A friend of mine (Dave) runs a place in Port Charlotte called Pott's
which has all of their meats brought down from Philly and has really
wonderful hotdogs and cheesesteaks... I never fail to come up with a
reason to drop in at least once a month.
 
                                      JonBoy
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: ALL                 
Subject: party          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 16:59:43
Message Number 14125

Well, the party has started?  Well, maybe, The Specialist, myself, WRAT,
P. Whipped are here.  Just waiting for everybody to start showing up.  
The Specialist just went to get his guitar, and Jonboy is thinking about
bring some "refreshments", the good kind, and possibly some games.  I 
guess, I'm just bored and waiting for everyone to show up. 
===========

From: P.WHIPPED           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/23/91 22:01:18
Message Number 14126

Well, Jesse Helms WILL tell you what your morals should be so in his 
own ...mind?.......

 
As for the embodiment of all that is evil and corrupt look no further 
than our dear beloved president.  I say no more.
===========

From: HACMAN              
To: ALL                 
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/23/91 22:44:27
Message Number 14127

Hello all you people.  Yes it has been quite a while since my last call.
It was about 2 or 3 months ago I think.  You may remember me as /Burney/
Since then I've changed my user name and got a second job  and spent it
all on computer equipment.  Ya know...printers, modems, color monitors, 
more drives (3), etc.  Well I'll go now.  Bye.
PS:  Looking forward to some good debates like I used to get here.
===========

From: ODEN                
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/23/91 22:57:34
Message Number 14128

T>....inserted into the males anal orfice....
 oh gee.. thats gotta hurt...
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: 7kth           
Date & Time: 03/24/91 01:29:21
Message Number 14129

What was the other name that you've heard '7 knots to heaven' called?
 
Just curious...
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: philly food    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 01:32:23
Message Number 14130

The one thing that is most noticeable about 'foriegn' cheesesteaks is 
the roll... they just don't get it right. Even the kaiser rolls are 
different down here.
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 01:55:31
Message Number 14131

Is Ward christian the person referred to in Hackers? Also, is his BBS 
still up?
 
-- a curious
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 01:58:43
Message Number 14132

T>.... it's very, very difficult to convey anything involving strong oor
subtle emotion over a computer...
 
I've had that happen before. A friend & I were discussing something of a
very delicate nature one evening and all of a sudden he wasn't replying.
After numerous attempts to get him to reply, I hung up. We re-connected 
later, and it turned out that his keyboard locked up on him.
Needless to say, I was panicking in the meantime, thinking that I may 
have said something wrong.
 
Emotions CAn be conveyed on-line, but it's pretty hard.It's not what you
say, but the way that you say it.
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/24/91 02:06:34
Message Number 14133

The most apalling instance of AIDS being transmitted is in the case of 
the dentist that infected several patients. I firmly believe that Drs 
that are infected should either be on a list with the health department,
or banned from practice all together.
 
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: Sealing Wax    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 02:09:02
Message Number 14134

Just what IS sealing wax? Sex wax is available at the local surf shops 
though.
 
If what you're referring to is parrifin, look in the hardware stores.
 
Now that I think of it, is the stuff you're after the stuff used to seal
letters?
 
Try Mrs. Candlewick's candle shop in venice. The phone # is 488-6266.
The shop is located on West Venice avenue.
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Bashing    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 02:14:34
Message Number 14135

R> BASH BASH BASH BASH BASH
TS> Hear, Hear!.....
 
Is Bashed potatoes a part of your diet? 
I couldn't resist. (grin)
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: JONBOY              
Subject: philly         
Date & Time: 03/24/91 02:33:02
Message Number 14136

Where is this place? Do they also get their rolls from Philly?
Yes, the bread *does* make a difference.
 
Do you remember Medford Meats? (hot dogs & Cold cuts)
Well, I saw a tee-shirt (up north years ago..) that said:
 
MEDFORD MEATS...... you can't beat uor meat.
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: HACMAN              
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/24/91 02:36:17
Message Number 14137

Yo! Long time no see, hear, type, mail, etc.
How much longer with the 2nd job?
I'll be getting a second job of my own soon. (gotta get ahead somehow, 
ya know).
L8R!
Knight Owl
PS
Hi Windsor. here's a dog-bone for ya... )--(
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/24/91 10:10:55
Message Number 14138

PW>Age does not have much to do with sexual activity
  
Yeah I know, I know.
 
PW>If you don't believe me visit the nearest nursing home
 
Yeah, I know, I know. I have. There used to be a guy at Pines in 
Sarasota. Everyone called him Valintino. He hit on EVERYBODY. And 
everybody loved him. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 10:48:15
Message Number 14139

PW> As for the embodiment of all that is eveil and corrupt look no 
PW> further thatn our dear beloved president. 
  
What the hell is wrong with George Bush?  What's your problem? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: 7kth           
Date & Time: 03/24/91 10:50:09
Message Number 14140

KO> What was the other name that you've heard "7 knots to heaven" 
KO> called? 
  
KO> Just curious....
  
Ummmmm....I'm gonna have to get back to you on that, once I look it up 
again, I'll post it.   
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/24/91 10:53:02
Message Number 14141

Drs. and dentists, I believe should /not/ be able tyo practice.  That on
(one) case with that 22(?) virgin who got AIDS from her dentist was 
a tragic thing, but on the other hand I couldn't stand the way the media
sucked it for all the sympathical publicity it was worth.  
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:29:08
Message Number 14142

T>...inserted into the anal orfice...
 
TS>You mean that they stick something up your ass?
 
Ding.
 
TS>Sounds sickeningly gay.
 
(Scratching head in perplexity, wondering if all this time wh've had
different definitions of 'gay') Um...I always thought that 'gay' meant
two people of the same sex having sex, so if you've got a female and
a male doing this sort of thing it can't be "sickeningly gay" BY
DEFINITION...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:31:11
Message Number 14143

>Sure, didn't you know that Turtle was the other one?
 
Grrrr...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:32:31
Message Number 14144

>Well spoken.
 
Why thank you.
 
>And IBM is in the business to make money.
 
Yep. If they would start making /computers/ instead of making /money,/
though, they might actually produce a decent computer. 'Course, it all
depends on where your priorities are.
 
I don't really hate /them/ per say; I hate their /computers/ (and their
attitude).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:35:37
Message Number 14145

>...and it started wiping out gays a long time ago.
 
And now it's wiping out straights, and babies, and hemophiliacs.
Justice my ass...even YOU can do better than that.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:36:40
Message Number 14146

>Pink tights...hmph.
 
Um...I'm not sure I should be blowing someone's cover like this, since
Silverdawn was getting a great deal of amusement out of the whole
thing, but...
 
          ...she's female.
 
[...as The Specialist's insinuations go down in flames...]
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Get this...    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:38:17
Message Number 14147

>Get this...my girlfriend called me a homophobe!
 
No!!!
 
>Can you believe it?
 
No!!!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Sainthood      
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:39:19
Message Number 14148

>Your title is Archduke of BBS.
 
So what does that make you, since you're the one who sainted me? The
Pope of aLTER rEALITY??
 
>(I hope you like it better than stud-muffin of the BBS.[)]
 
Oh, joy is mine. BTW, you forgot to close your parentheses. Run out of
correcting fluid?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: P.WHIPPED           
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:41:36
Message Number 14149

>As for the embodiment of all that is evil and corrupt look no further
>than our dear beloved president.
 
No...George Bush is merely guilty of putting self-interest before the
good of the nation. He doesn't really want to tackle the country's
myriad of domestic problems because, to paraphrase one of his advisors,
"the situation in the country right now and the problems it is
experiencing are ideally suited to keeping the Republicans in power
indefinitely." Jesse Helms, on the other hand, honestly and truly
believe that he has God personally behind him, and that makes him
much more dangerous...and much more sickening.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:44:25
Message Number 14150

>oh gee...that's gotta hurt...
 
Probably not. We're only talking about a silk cord here. I haven't
tried it, but I imagine it wouldn't actually be painful at all (that
isn't really the point, figure...)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: PARTY          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:45:34
Message Number 14151

>Is Ward christian[sen] the person referred to in Hackers?
 
I believe he's mentioned briefly.
 
>Also, is his BBS still up?
 
No. Ward was running the original CBBS until about three years ago,
when he turned it over to someone else and decided to pursue different
interests instead. I believe the system has since gone down. When I
was calling, about four years ago, it had about a thousand users in its
userlog and got several hundred messages a day, mostly on very
technical topics.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:50:20
Message Number 14152

>What the hell is wrong with George Bush?
 
He's deceitful, dishonest, apathetic about our domestic problems, given
to fits of excessive sermonizing, utterly lacking in any real vision,
and somewhat ineffective on the home front. Other than that, well,
he doesn't speak very well.
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From: TURTLE              
To: -ALL-               
Subject: Fyrry Party    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 16:53:04
Message Number 14153

(Well, furry party, sort of, but...)
 
Yepperdoggies, the Furry Party was in fact a success; special thanks
to all those who attended (Turtle, JonBoy, Saavik, The Specialist,
Scott Steel, The Grunt and friend whose name I should have gotten but
didn't, Zot Gnop, P.Whipped, Dirty Wrat, Bart Fox, Max, Icefalcon,
Black Magic and friend, Crystal, Radagast, Oden, Cyberpunk, Random,
Rufus, and non-BBSers Jill, Nick, Nadia, Jimmy Chin, Heidi, Bret,
James(?), Misty, Lori, Vincent, Gordon, and I'm sure a few people
I've neglected to mention). 'Til next time............
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/24/91 20:33:39
Message Number 14154

TS> Sounds sickeningly gay. 
  
T> (Pondoring The Specialist's varying definition of "gay"  
 
Ding!
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Sainthood      
Date & Time: 03/24/91 20:36:34
Message Number 14155

T> So what does that make you, sine you're the one who sainted me? 
T> The Pope of aLTER rEALITY?? 
 
Ummm.....I guess I sainted you since you really couldn't saint yourself.
 
But, if I had a title, you would have to give it to me.  (I /know/ I'm 
asking for trouble on this one)
  
BTW, I didn't read out of correction fluid.  I just didn't feel like 
editing the message. 
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From: HACMAN              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/24/91 21:25:41
Message Number 14156

Not to much longer for the job.  Just a couple of weeks more.  Looking
forward to some quiet relaxation.  Then again if I want my own board, I 
better continue for a while longer to get 1 or 2 more drives.  Then its
just the software to buy.  Thanks, the pup liked the bone.  He is 
teething quite a lot lately, bleeding from his gums also.  Hope he gets
over it before long.  BTW. Thanks.  Will explain in person if needed.
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From: HACMAN              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/24/91 21:30:39
Message Number 14157

I would kinda like to know why you have that opinion of our pres.  He 
has proved his abilities don't you think?
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: I never learn. 
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:05:28
Message Number 14159

T:(worried about my theological background)
 
God! I hate it when you take me so literal. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:07:48
Message Number 14160

I apologise for doubting your stamina. After seeing you still up and 
moshing innocent bystanders on Sunday night, I believe you.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:09:36
Message Number 14161

Diet  Coke by itself is, indeed, gross. But splash a little rum in it, 
and you might be surprised. Try it sometime. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: The demon Helms
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:10:44
Message Number 14162

T:Jesse Helms is the embodiment of almost everything I see foul and 
   evil in humanity.
  
Amen to that. He's a leech. 
 
T: The man makes me sick. 
  
Me too. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:13:34
Message Number 14163

Did you hear what (I forgot her name) the girl that was there with Black
Magic said about the New Kids concert. There were hords (sp?) of kids 
there from screaming babies to prepubs and tons of parents. Doesn't soun
like a good time to me.
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Sex            
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:16:02
Message Number 14164

Forgot who said this: (on a computer)there's no chance that the person
is trying to seduce you. 
 
T: Not ture at all. You ever see a case of board rape? 
 
How can you compare seduction to board rape????? One is an art, the othe
(other) is a disgusting attempt to humiliate someone. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:18:57
Message Number 14165

I'd like to think that we are all friends. After having met you all on
Saturday and Sunday...... I feel much closer to you all, (even though 
I feel a little inadequate, you are all so much smarter than I am). 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:20:54
Message Number 14166

T: It's very difficult to convey anything involving strong or subtle 
   emotion over a computer.... 
 
That's true, because you can't use facial expressions and body langauge,
And you can't tell if the other person is upset or give them a needed 
hug. But, one on one, you must reply right away to the sensative subject
On the computer, you can think about your reply before posting it. 
Unless, of course, you are in chat mode. I think chat mode is the 
hardest form of communication. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SILVERDAWN          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:24:36
Message Number 14167

Of course, you don't have to be gay to get AIDS. But let a man test 
HIV positive, and that's the First thing everyone thinks. It will 
always be considered a "gay diesise(sp?)".  We probably have no idea 
how many people in the world are HIV positive but are showing no signs 
of AIDS ailments. (did that make sense?) 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:28:09
Message Number 14168

SA: I guess I am uptight. 
T: Ding. 
SS: Ding. 
 
You can both go *ding* yourselves. Hmmmmph!!!! 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:29:46
Message Number 14169

Your tangent makes sense to me. I agree. Discussing sex anywhere is good
therapy. The more you talk about it, the easier it becomes (to talk 
about). There's not a whole lot of places you can have an intelligent 
conversation about sex. You don't just walk into work and say: "So, does
anyone here know what the Six Knots to heaven is???" 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:32:50
Message Number 14170

SA:Stud bookend? 
 
TS: Sure, didn't you know that Turtle was the other one? 
 
Yeah, I do know, but I still didn't get my picture. (frown)
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:34:39
Message Number 14171

You really should stop attaching labels to people. EI: This one is GAY, 
that one is a PERVERT, this one is Black, that one is White, she's a 
GIRL, he's a...... you get my drift. We are all people. Ok, I get your 
point about being propositioned by another male setting you off. But 
I'll just bet you have friends who are gay and you don't even know it. 
And a person's sexual preference should have nothing to do with how 
you treat them or accept them. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: *snort*        
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:39:58
Message Number 14172

TS to SS: Actually I was rather alarmed by your original description of 
          a stud-muffin, since the way you described it sounded like the
          voice of experience talking.... 
 
Hmmmm. You aren't suggesting Scott Steel is "The Gay Blade" are you?? 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:42:29
Message Number 14173

TS: Yes, they call it AIDS.. and it started wiping out gays a long time 
    ago. Justice, certainly. 
 
Bullshit! AIDS is for everybody, not just for the few. ANyone one can 
get AIDS, even someone nice like you. (used to be the VD song). 
Go visit a hospital and see all the little babies and children suffering
from AIDS and THEN tell me about justice!!!!! 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:45:27
Message Number 14174

TS:GET this...my girlfriend called me a homophobe! 
 
She calls 'em like she see's 'em. 
 
TS: Can you believe it? 
 
NOOOO(Sarcasm dripping from my lips). 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: ODEN                
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:50:23
Message Number 14175

T: ...inserted into the males anal orifice.... 
 
OD: Oh, gee, that's gotta hurt.... 
 
Yeah, and just think, what goes in must come out. I wonder how many 
embarrassing trips to the hospital have been made using this practice. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 11:54:07
Message Number 14176

KO: I firmly believe that all Drs that are infected should either be on 
    a list with the health department, or banned from practice all 
    together. 
 
Now, there's a very debatable subject. I happen to think they should be 
banned. And that not a prejudice statement. ANY chance of passing AIDS 
on should be avoided. Certainly a Doctor, of all people, should agree 
with that. Even if there's only one in a million chance. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 12:01:11
Message Number 14177

T:Silverdawn ..... she's female. (....as The Specialist's insinuations
  go down in flames....) 
  
(Saavik watches The Specialist pause as he draws back his homo-bashing 
 club and smile sheepishly as he lays it down) Now that's divine 
justice. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/25/91 12:09:19
Message Number 14178

Seven Knots you dumb Vulcan broad. NOT six. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Stuff, IV      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 16:45:22
Message Number 14180

SS>There's only one thing wrong with that statement, fags hit on 
SS>straight men too.
 
Not me.  Not more than once, anyway.
 
SS>You realize we are discussing fags, and fag-bashing again, wasn't 
SS>this a subject you wanted to drop?
 
Yes, it is.  Savvik pushed my button.  <Stop>
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: HACMAN              
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/25/91 16:48:02
Message Number 14181

Oh, I dunno...I liked /Burney/ better.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/25/91 16:51:39
Message Number 14182

T>I always thought that 'gay' meant two people of the same sex having 
T>sex...
 
Yes, and by sickeningly gay, I meant that fags shove things up each 
other, and by that comparison is where I got the expression "sickening
ly gay"  (Damn quotes!)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/25/91 16:54:32
Message Number 14183

T>And now it's wiping out straights, and babies, and hemophiliacs.
T>Justice my ass...even YOU can do better than that.
 
Well, if people who "don't care what gays do, as long as they don't
bother me" would have noticed and taken greater cares, then the plague
which was intended for gays never would have gotten any farther.  But 
no one bothered to filter out the diseased individuals, and "people who
didn't care" started having sex with them, and letting them donate thier
diseased blood...thus the plague spreads.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 16:58:10
Message Number 14184

T>...she's female.'
T>
 
T>[...as The Specialist's insinuations go down in flames...]
 
 
Not at all.  I thought that whoever it was was acting pretty much 
like a woman.
 If it had been a man, then I would have been justified in my 
"insinuations:".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/25/91 17:01:54
Message Number 14185

TS> Sounds sickeningly gay.
T>(Pondoring The Specialist's varying definition of "gay".)
SS>Ding@!
 
Ding dong.  Read on, Man of Steel...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/25/91 17:05:38
Message Number 14186

SA>...I'll bet you have freinds who are gay and you don't even know it.
 
HAHAHAH!  Wrong, Savvik. Blatantly wrong.  I might *know* someone who is
gay, but you can bet your little ass that he is *NOT* any friend of 
mine. 
 
SA>And a person's sexual preference should have nothing to do with how
SA>you treat them or accept them.
 
Wrong again.  Course, that's your opinion, and you are entitled, jsut
as I feel differently than you.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/25/91 17:08:55
Message Number 14187

Can't tell you about justice. I can tell you about injustice...when a
homosexual disease starts affecting other lifeforms....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 17:09:55
Message Number 14188

SA>She calls 'em like she see's 'em./
  
Yep...and she's wrong, too.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 17:10:59
Message Number 14189

SA>(Savvik watches The Specialist pause as he draws back his Homo-bashgi
SA>club and smile sheepishly as he lays it down)
 
...and then decides that these halluncinogenic drugs are just the thing
for her, and takes two or three more of the little blue tablets....
 
Gotta stop with all those sugar cubes, Savvik.
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From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Tits UP?       
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:14:46
Message Number 14190

SS> You're just being argumentative, and you know it. 
 
So what?!!!  :>
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: philly         
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:23:32
Message Number 14191

KO> Where is this place? 
On 41 in Port Charlotte next to a deli right after the Service Merchandi
store on the East side of 41.  Little place - keeps weird hours during
the week - damned good hot-dogs and cheesesteaks - I dunno about
the rolls but they make me happy!
                                    A cheesy JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:26:54
Message Number 14192

T> Um...I'm not sure I should be blowing someone's cover like this,
T>           ...she's female.         
 
Hehehehehehe!  I was waiting for that but I figgured maybe she would
milk it just a little more...
 
                          As the plot thickens....
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:30:21
Message Number 14193

SA> Did you hear what ...girl that was there with Black Magic said about
SA> the New Kids concert.
 
Nah!  Tell me it ain't true!  I figured that she must have had some
redeeming qualities to be with Black Magic!  Just goes to show that 
some people can fool you....
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:32:13
Message Number 14194

SA> I feel a little inadequate, you are all so much smarter than I am). 
Screeeeeeeetttttttcccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
Whoa woman!  I'll get a posse and paddle yer ass next time you slam
yourserlf like that!  There ain't much that I won't tolerate but
that's one of 'em.  I found you to be a very charming, witty and
warm person that has absolutely no reason to take a back seat to
anyone.  Got it?
                           A-stern-looking- JonBoy...
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From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:35:18
Message Number 14195

SA> anyone here know what the Six Knots to heaven is???"
Sighhhh!  That's *seven* knots to heaven (mystical number and all that)
(send 'em to school and they still can't ..... grumble grumble)
 
                               A Picky-Nit JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/25/91 20:37:26
Message Number 14196

SA> I wonder how many embarrassing trips to the hospital have been made.
 
Funny you should wonder - my buddy in Ca. was training to be a 
paramedic and they made him pull several stints in the E-room to see
what range that human suffering could take (weeds out the idealists
in a hurry).  Jim was absolutely amazed at the range of articles that
the doctors had to remove from the human (not just male!) anus.
The most common article was the common soda bottle.  Turns out that the
warmth of the rectal tract will cause a partial vacuum and literally 
suck that puppy right up there and it takes a *very* strong pull to
get it back out.  The second most popular (???!!!) object is the
common light bulb - now /that's/ scary!
 
                                           JonBoy
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/25/91 21:18:36
Message Number 14197

Well, after conking out on me the night of Turtle's birthday party, I 
am pleased to announce the Smog-Monster (which it has become 
affectionately known) is back in running order...turns out that when 
I put the 440 in, I neglected to switch the ignition over to point 
ignition---I just hooked up the point distributor to the electronic
ignition and started it up.  Well, it ran so I went with it and decided
(someday) to put an electronic distributor back in it.   
  Not having the correct voltages to work with results in a shorted out
electrical system...which I found out the hard way.  So, I ended up 
replacing not only the distributor, but the ballast resistor, the 
starter relay, the electronic voltage regulator and (last but not least(
the alternator.  Not to mention a few fused and separated wires. 
Expensive?  Not too bad, the whole cost of the switchover was around
$70...and when he put in the new ignition, he also adjusted the idle 
and the timing.  
  The upshot of this whole thing is that it's back, and badder than e
ever...so maybe it wasn't such a bad thing that it died at 8:30 on a
Saturday night stranding me out on 301.  But it sure sucked the big one
at the time. 
  Course, I won't be doing any heavy duty racing for a while...seems 
that the Smog-Monster is also a Torque-Monster, and I've broken an
engine mount.  Shit.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: Oh, BTW!       
Date & Time: 03/25/91 21:28:15
Message Number 14198

By the way, if anyone out there needs auto work done cheaply and 
*correctly*, I know a guy who's cheap and really knows what he's doing.
If you need help, lemme know...this guy is good.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Sainthood      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:08:38
Message Number 14200

>Ummm.....I guess I sainted you because you really couldn't saint
>yourself.
 
Oh. Okay...well, in that case, thanks, I guess.
 
>But, if I had a title, you would have to give it to me...
 
Naah, you've already given it to yourself, kind of. Scott "Scooter"
Steel, the Patron Saint of Correcting Fluid.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: HACMAN              
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:10:20
Message Number 14201

>...if I want my own board...then its just the software to buy.
 
You're running an IBM clone, right? I'd suggest checking out TP-Board
or RemoteAccess, both of which are Shareware and will only put you out
about twenty or thirty bucks to register. The more expensive BBS
packages (like Wildcat, which is a couple hundred bucks, I think)
are howling dogs that you don't want to come near (if someone offers
you Wildcat, run, don't walk, in the other direction). The only
commercial BBS package I've seen for the IBM that's any good is
TBBS, and it costs about $900 to set up...and you've got to be a pretty
good programmer, too, since it's actually a /language/ for writing
BBS systems.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: U never learn  
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:13:24
Message Number 14202

>God!
 
(so to speak)
 
>I hate it when you take me so literal.
 
Well, YOU weren't supposed to take ME so literally... :)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:16:07
Message Number 14203

>Diet  Coke by itself is, indeed, gross.
 
Nasty, disgusting, sick, repulsive...yeah.
 
>But splash a little rum in it, and you might be surprised.
 
Actually, I'd be surprised if it were even drinkable. I'm a rum & Coke
man, myself. Speaking of which, next time I get my hands on some apple
cider I'll have to invite you & JonBoy over for some Hot Horny Foxes...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Sex            
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:18:31
Message Number 14204

>How can you compare seduction to board rape?????
 
Well, since it's hard to actually do anything other than leave messages
over a BBS, I'd say the one is a particularly crude and tactless form
of the other. The people who engage in blatant board rape are generally
much younger than the types who simply come on to everything with a
female name on the system, but the attitude is the same.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Friends        
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:20:29
Message Number 14205

>...even though I feel a little inadequate...
 
Thpth! That's silly.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:21:34
Message Number 14206

>I think chat mode is the hardest form of communication.
 
Yes and no. Sometimes the long turnaround time in the message base is
a drawback rather than an advantage. Chat mode is a little more direct
and a little more immediate than conversations in the message base,
so it's closer to, say, a telephone conversation (only without the tone
of voice being communicated). Hmm...I think chat mode is actually
easier for talking about delicate subjects, but that may just be
because I'm a techno-weenie... :)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Hey!           
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:25:13
Message Number 14207

TS: Sure, didn't you know Turtle was the other one?
SA: Yeah, I do know, ...
 
Hey!
 
SA: ...but I still didn't get my picture.
 
No, but you DID get Turtle being soundly thrashed on videotape. Hmph.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:28:03
Message Number 14208

>...by sickeningly gay, I meant that fags shove things up each other,...
 
Nice way with words.
 
>...and by that comparison is where I got the expression...
 
Therefore, by extension, since fags kiss one another, the act of
kissing must also be "sickeningly gay"; and since homosexuals
also undress one another, that must likewise be "sickeningly gay";
and...oh, you get the point. It was a silly statement and you know it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:30:49
Message Number 14209

>...then the plague which was intended for them...
 
*snort* Now that is Manifest Bullshit (tm). It is also the single most
ridiculous thing I have ever heard you say...no offense.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/25/91 23:35:11
Message Number 14210

>But it sure sucked the big one at the time.
 
Tell me about it...I've been stranded so often I figure I must've walked
and/or pushed a disabled car 'bout a thousand miles total as a result.
Grr.
 
>...I've broken an engine mount.
 
No problem...just get some aircraft cable and lash that sucker back in!
(Heh heh heh)
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: R & DC         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 08:05:33
Message Number 14211

S> [Trying to convince Turtle of Diet Coke & Rum]
Have you ever had Spiced rum & Coke?
I have enjoyed Captain Org.. Morgan.. yeah Captain Morgan's spiced rum 
with coke. It's good to add a little to hot tea too.
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/26/91 08:15:54
Message Number 14212

Your belief of banning Drs. that have contracted AIDS is quite Valid,
Rubber gloves just don't cut it.
 
On the other hand (no pun intended), what if you were a doctor... let's 
say 20 years inpractice, and you contract AIDS from a blood transfusion
necessary from a recent operation that you had?
Who would pay for your re-training for a new career? The taxpayers are 
burdened enough with welfare, etc... .
One solution that I see would be to put a special tax on medical & 
surgical supplies...let's say .05%. The half-percent is small enough not
to produce sticker shock and the volume of supplies sold is plenty to
enable the fund to be functional.
The fund would be used to assist afflicted doctors in training for a new
career.
 
What do you think? Despite your belief [which I agree with], you can't 
just drop 'em on the street corner.
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: JONBOY              
Subject: philly         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 08:30:28
Message Number 14213

What's the name of the place? As soon as I get the $, I'm gonna go there
with a big appetite.
 
(do they have Tastycakes? The peanut butter ones are GREAT.)
L8R!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 03/26/91 08:36:14
Message Number 14214

T> you're running an IBM, right?
 
Dong! BZZZZZZT! wrong! He's got a C= 128.
As for BBS systems go, I'd prefer Remote Access.
 
T> [describes what to do in of an offer of Wildcat software]
ROFL *]:)
L8R!
Knight Owl
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:46:50
Message Number 14215

Quit being a sick puppy. Who said AIDS was intended for gays only
originally. Look at the people of Africa. The statistics on AIDS there i
is frightening. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:50:00
Message Number 14216

I guess it would be *wrong* of me to tell you that you are *wrong* for 
being so intimidated by gay people. I just think it's a shame that any
one as intelligent as yourself, limits your ability to see past a 
persons sexual preference. I've said it before, "Who you love, is not 
nearly important as how you love." 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:52:21
Message Number 14217

Again, you are assuming that AIDS is a "gay disease". From what I have 
read, that's a misconception. I think you will find the statistics on 
AIDS high for any "group" that is sexually promiscous (sp?)..... What 
about all the intrevanious drug users who spread it???? 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:54:29
Message Number 14218

How can you say you're not Homophobic when you are so adamantly against
Gay people. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:56:46
Message Number 14219

Well, if it "redeems" her at all. She did say the New Kids concert 
"sucked". But I think it was because of all the screaming children. Hey!
What do you expect from a group whose "groupie's" aren't even in 
training bras yet???? 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 13:58:33
Message Number 14220

Easy, JB. I wasn'
(damn I'm too lazy to correct that) I wasn't exactly slamming myself. I 
just happen to feel that you were all much more educated than I am. Plus
you all were "UP" on furries and the like, where I am a new comer to all
this. Maybe in time, I will feel more adept (is that the word?). 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: options...     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:00:20
Message Number 14221

RE: Six knots ain't better than seven) If you, and I'm sure you did, 
read on, you will see that I corrected my numerical slip up. Sowwy!!! 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:01:51
Message Number 14222

A light bulb up the "Ole Kazoo?" Yich!!!!! Kind of a perverted Uncle 
Fester stunt. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: U never learn  
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:05:05
Message Number 14223

Why is it that I began to tremble in fear whenever the screen scrolls up
and I see FROM: TURTLE 
          To:   SAAVIK
?   You certainly keep me on my toes, Oh great shelled one. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:06:57
Message Number 14224

T:Next time I get my hands on some apple cider, I;ll have to invite you 
& JohnBoy over for some Hot Horny Foxes. 
  
You're on. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Sex            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:08:08
Message Number 14225

But it is easy to come up with a rapid fire retort to a simple come on 
or insinuation. Downright Board rape is better ignored. Or even better, 
twitted. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Inadequate     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:09:13
Message Number 14226

OK, perhaps inadequate was a poor choice of words. I got the distinct 
impression that almost everyone there had a very nice education (which
I basically lack) but I also felt that I was accepted. It was a nice 
evening and I enjoyed myself. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:11:26
Message Number 14227

Well, chat mode is the *ultimate* E-mail. It's instant responce and no
one but the two involved are privy to the conversation. But it does 
demand an instant reply to the subject at hand. Some times it makes for
lots of....... "Um......well,.....er,...."  If you know what I mean. 
For instance, there is a lot of 
(arg, i did it again) A lot of "Chatting" on Terran trace. But many 
times, there is a loss of something to say. So you end up with: 
So whats up? 
Not much, wassup with you? 
Nothing? 
Oh?
Yeah. 
Um. 
Well, 
Yuppers
Uh Huh. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hey!           
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:16:12
Message Number 14228

Yes I did get Turtle's yearly beating on VHS. Hehehe. Copies available!!
Of course, I might be inclined to sell you the original. (evil smile) 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: R & DC         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:18:06
Message Number 14229

I've had Pina Coladas made with MD Spiced Rum. Yum!! 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: Divine Justice.
Date & Time: 03/26/91 14:19:02
Message Number 14230

It would be a shame to see a Doctor lose his career because he has AIDS.
But what about the other thousands of people who lose their careers and 
lives and loved ones to the diesise. You can't compensate them all, and 
indeed, why should it be the responcibility of the tax payers to do 
this? It's a rough subject........ I know. But throughout history, there
have been plagues.... this is just another chapter, hopefully not a 
final chapter. The statistics are frightening world wide. I've only 
known, personally, one person who died of AIDS. Before his death, he 
lost his job, his friends, most of his family (they were afraid to see 
him and even more afraid to touch him). He was left alone. He died in 
the hospital and only three people other than the Nurses and Doctors 
ever contacted him before he died. It was really a travesty. 
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From: RAT                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/26/91 16:10:44
Message Number 14231

    o   o
 \        /
  \______/
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From: RAT                 
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 16:14:01
Message Number 14232

	    Of course it serves him right.  But two dongs don't make a right.
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From: RAT                 
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: BFE            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 16:15:57
Message Number 14233

I didn't know there were snakes in Egypt in the desert.
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From: RAT                 
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: Fag Bashing    
Date & Time: 03/26/91 16:36:51
Message Number 14234

It's spring break!  Don't you have anything better to do except sit
on your ass and call people bashers? You basher you!  
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From: RAT                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/26/91 16:42:14
Message Number 14235

	     Its not that Bush doesn't want to tackle domestic problems, but
that he is better at foriegn policy, so he does that instead.  And you'v
got to admit he done a great job on foreign policy: he's invaded two
countries in two years!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/26/91 17:50:28
Message Number 14236

Y'know, my whole problem with homos is what they do...not just that 
they are abberant, contra-survival lifeforms.  Women "getting it on
" (%#&@$$!! quote keys!) with other women and guys "getting it on
" (ARRRGH) with other guys is pretty disgusting; the variant forms 
of how they do it can be even more disgusting.  First of all, I wouldn't
play with shit, niether would I put my dick into an orfice which 
contains shit.  And I find anything sexual that has to do with 
excrement (including urine) exceptionally disgusting.  Don't try to 
"Therefore, by extention" on the particular trend I mentioned because
it was exclusive to what I mentioned...obviously, hetros kiss and
undress each others...and some wierdos even get into anal sex.  But when
I say "sickeningly gay", I was referring to that particular act of 
homosexual anal intercourse.  (Which seems to be common among fags.)
Your extention, while maybe valid, bears no impact on what I said 
originally...that shoving something up the anal canal sounds sickeningly
like what male (or whatever they are) homosexuals do...therefore sounds
gay...to me. 
 
T>nice way with words. 
 
Thank you...I try never to beat around the bush. I prefer to be blunt.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:00:55
Message Number 14237

TS>...then the plague which was intended for them...
 
T>*snort*  Now that is Manifest Bullshit (tm).  It is also the single
T>most ridiculous thing I have ever heard you say...no offense. 
 
None taken.  Perhaps I should re-word:  "the plague which *should have*
been intended for them..."
 
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:03:01
Message Number 14238

TS>...sucked the big one...
T>Tell me about it...I've been stranded [lots of times].  Grr.
 
Well, I got to walk all the way back to your apt...not so bad, I guess,
'cept I had a headache and could have done without the noise of a party.
Course, it *was* pretty cool to see that Japanimation.  Tetsuo!
 
TS>...I've broken an engine mount.
T>No problem...just get some aircraft cable and lash that sucker [down]!
 
Well, I've already decided to chain it in...get some thick chain and
*BOLT* that sucker to the frame.  My only alternative is solid engine
mounts, and they will pass vibration from the engine right into the
frame...and I don't need a vibrating car!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:07:51
Message Number 14239

SA>I guess it would be *wrong* of me to tell you that you are *wrong*
SA>for being so intimidated by gay people.
 
Ding. 
  
Actually, you are wrong with that expression anyway...I am not 
"intimidated"...I simply hate faggots.  I am "intimidated" by 
intellectual giants like Turtle & Max, and I am "intimidated" by
musical genuises like JonBoy, and I am "intimidated" by guys who are 
physically larger than me & have the ability to crush me like a tin
can, but I am not "intimidated" by pansys who like to pack each others
butts.  Or even /not/ pansys who like to pack each others butts.  As a
matter of fact, I have outright contempt for such people.  And less
respect for women who engage in homopervertual acts, too.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:13:15
Message Number 14240

(Continued...there was more that I needed to reply to)
SA> I just think it's a shame that anyone as intelligent as yourself
SA>limits your ability to see past a person's sexual preference.
 
I think that it's a shame that anyone who as intelligent as you and 
as warm and caring would put themselves down.  I read you earlier post,
and I disagree with the way you described yourself.  Although I 
do appreciate your efforts to get me to see past my prejudice (and that
is what it is, a prejudice), I can accurately say that it is my 
opinion, and that it is not likely to change at any time in the near
(or far) future.  Please don't misunderstand; I simply am not going
to change my mind.  
 
SA>"Who you love is not nearly as important as how you love.
 
(Sorry, there were quotes there and I missed it & hit the <return>.)
 
Actually, that expression is totally diametrically opposed to what I
believe.  Or, you could say in a milder form, "I disagree."  Because
I do.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:19:44
Message Number 14241

SA>...you are assuming that AIDS is a "gay disease".
 
Not assuming, I know the statistics almost as well as anyone else.  My
intent was to imply that it *should have been* limited to gays.  Did
you read my post on people who "don't care"?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:21:15
Message Number 14242

SA>How can you say you're not a Homophobe when you are so adamantly
SA>against Gay people.[?]
 
Easy.  I am not a homophobe.  I am not afraid of gay people.  I simply
hate them and want nothing to do with them. 
 
How can you say that you are not a "bigotphobe" when you are so 
adamantly against bigotry?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:23:54
Message Number 14243

SA>A light bulb up the "Ol' Kazoo?"  Yich!!!!  Kind of a perverted...
SA>stunt.
 
Ah, bingo!  Now do you see how I feel?
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From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:57:08
Message Number 14244

>...then the plague which was intended for gays...
 
So what you're saying is that this plague was 'made' just for gays?
Right, okay, sure thing.
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From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 18:59:48
Message Number 14245

>...that has absolutely no reason to take a back seat to anyone.
 
Unless someone else calls "shotgun" before she does.
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From: RUFUS               
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Inadequate     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 19:09:00
Message Number 14246

>I got the distinct impression that almost everyone there had a very
>nice education...
 
Well, I'm still in high school, so you've mis-impressioned (tm) on my
education.  :)  [Seriously, it hasn't been that bad, just that the doofs
cutting the budget piss me off.]
 
>but I also felt that I was accepted.
 
Yep...no one was thinking of hooking a Phoenix box up to your line (not
that we would anyways, cause that's very illegal, and we are all law
abiding citizens) line.  That's a good sign.  :)
 
So the shade of blue says to the shade of green, "What's your sign?"
 
hehe...I don't get it.
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From: RUFUS               
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/26/91 19:14:03
Message Number 14247

>...and no one but the two involved are privy to the conversation...
 
And the nice people tapping the phone line.
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From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:00:04
Message Number 14248

TS> seems  that the Smog-Monster is also a Torque-Monster, and I've 
TS> broken an engine mount.  Shit. 
 
Some people would bitch if they were hung with a new rope....
:)                         A MOPAR-admiring JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:02:19
Message Number 14249

T> Speaking of which, next time I get my hands on some apple cider
T> I'll have to invite you & JonBoy over for some Hot Horny Foxes...  
 
Waha!  I got it on capture Saavik - we have a legal leg to stand on
when he tries to weasle out - (well... what /else/ would a furry do?)
:>   				                     A hot-horny-fox-loving JonBoy
 
PS: BTW - I got the picture of the group grope back.  Your wall sucked
my flash dry but it is recognizable.  Everyone in it will probably
shoot me because have you ever noticed that when the flash comes from
the side and everyone is reclining but angling their face down to
smirk at the photog it gives a really terrible case of double and
triple chins?  I learned this in "Shitty photography 101".
My critique of Wratt wouldn't hold a lot of water next to this photo...
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From: JONBOY              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: philly         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:08:58
Message Number 14250

KO> (do they have Tastycakes? The peanut butter ones are GREAT.) 
 
Ask Groucho - he'll know and I know he has fed me some before - his
mom may bring them down.  She's up north right now and usually brings
back lots of goodies including Birch Beer (yummmmmmm!) you listenin'
Groucho?
                                     A-beer-swillin JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:11:30
Message Number 14251

SA> What do you expect from a group whose "groupie's" aren't even in 
SA> training bras yet???? 
 
My daughter *hates* NKOTB.  
   
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From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:12:45
Message Number 14252

SA> I wasn't exactly slamming myself.
Wudn't pattin' yerself on the back either...
SA> you all were "UP" on furries and the like, where I am a new comer to
So'm I (next to the founts of all knowledge).
SA> Maybe in time, I will feel more adept (is that the word?).
Gotta start somewhere (*if* ya wanna start that is).  I just objected 
to the word "smart" in your post.  Makes it sound like we were aloof
intellectuals instead of syncro-jumping furries and the like....
                       A-gotta-keep-yer-perspective JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Inadequate     
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:16:43
Message Number 14253

SA> but I also felt that I was accepted.
Now yet talkin' babe!  I really enjoyed all the neet furries and
other homo replicas and various sentients wandering about.  Many thanx
to you all for a great time..
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From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:20:35
Message Number 14254

TS> My only alternative is solid engine mounts,
 
Wrong - they make special; interlocking mounts that even if the rubber
seperates they will interlock and not let your motor pretzelize your 
car.  They are a Direct Connection part and also available most speed \
shops.  Besides - a wrap-around torque chain has /always/ been a viable
means of ensuring that a broken mount will not cause you to twist 
anything too seriously.
                                 Vrooommmm! JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/26/91 21:25:08
Message Number 14255

R> Unless someone else calls "shotgun" before she does.
 
I outta pound you....  you are entirely too dry to be totally American.
You gotta be an alien here to spy on us.
BTW - you must have packed up Heavy Metal when you left 'cause Scott
couldn't find it.  Coulja puhleaze bring it over (and anything else
of like nature to fill out my tape) when you bring the ThunderClock
dox by Turtles?  I'm just dying to see Heavy Metal again.  
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: $ and AIDS DRs.
Date & Time: 03/27/91 06:35:04
Message Number 14256

S> ... shouldn't be the responsibility of the taxpayers...
The solution that I mentioned to you would have the least impact on the 
public at large. C Do you have any other ideas?
 
As for the friend that died, It's a shame that so many people abandoned 
him. If it were cancer that he had, it would have been a whole different
story.
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: RAT                 
Subject: Hello there ...
Date & Time: 03/27/91 06:40:12
Message Number 14257

o    o             o      o
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RAT                 
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:04:32
Message Number 14258

Bushes foreign policy:  We came, we saw, we kicked their ass. 
 
So much for the peace movement. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:09:14
Message Number 14259

Ever heard the expression : "Live and let live." 
Get used to "gay rights", TS. It's an issue of the 90's. And I don't
what any "fag basher" says. Everyone has the right to be who and what 
they are. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:12:04
Message Number 14260

Ok, we agree to disagree on the "Gay issue." I know that no one will be 
able to change your mind and, indeed, it is your right to feel as you 
do. Prejudice is a black malignant blotch in this world. I'm sorry you 
feel this way, but I respect the fact that you have the right to your 
opinion. 
 
And as far as my "putting myself down". I wasn't really. It's just a 
fact. I'm not as educated or as quick witted as most of you. I try to 
keep up but sometimes I can't help but feel "inadequate". I found 
myself wishing (at the Furry Party) that I'd stayed in college. But it 
was impossible for me to continue my Ed. due to funds. I will always 
regret this..... and I will always feel "inadequate" among others who 
are more intelligent than I. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:40:53
Message Number 14261

I am afraid of bigots, TS. They scare the hell out of me. Because they 
are so blinded by whatever drives them to hate so completely another 
human being, I don't trust them. Bigotry really scares me. It brings 
vision of the KKK and burning crosses. It brings memories of cops 
wailing on long haired college students. It makes me remember a young 
guy who was my friend lying in a pool of his own blood because he dared
to date a white girl, and he was black. Yeah, I'm afraid of bigots. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:45:02
Message Number 14262

SA: A light bulb up the "Ol' Kazoo?" Kind of a perverted stunt. 
TS: Ah, bingo! Now do you see how I feel? 
 
No. And I never will. Sticking a light bulb up yourself can hardly 
compare to pleasurable sexual perversion. Of course, I guess, one person
pleasure, might be another person's nightmare. 
 
I guess as long as the light bulb isn't plugged into the wall socket,
you could live through it. But who'd want to. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:49:37
Message Number 14263

Yeah, I always end up in the back seat..... er, uh, Hmmmm. I didn't 
mean that "quite" the way it sounded. :)
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Inadequate     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:51:05
Message Number 14264

R: So the shade of blue says to the shade of green, "What's your sign?" 
 
And the shade of green says: "Maxwell Street". 
 
Guess I didn't get it either. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:52:44
Message Number 14265

Aaaaaah. I forgot about the phone tappers. Wonder what kind of dickhead 
sits there night after night, day after day, monitoring these phone 
lines. He must be a very bored individual. Probably the only one in the
"Secret Service of Phone tappers" who knows what that a "Furry" is not
the ball of lint plucked out of one's belly button. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:56:16
Message Number 14266

JB: My daughter *hates* NKOTB. 
 
Yeah, but she's *your* daughter. She was raised to know what "music" is.
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:57:45
Message Number 14267

Aha. Syncro-jumping looked like fun. I would have joined in if my 
insides had been up for it. I liked the "innocent bystander moshing" too
Wish I could have gotten some of that outside action on VHS. I didn't 
get too much on tape, unfortunately. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Inadequate     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 12:59:53
Message Number 14268

Ditto on Thanx for the great time. Thanks to everyone who attended both
the Furry and PentaCon. It was great. Hope we can all get together again
soon. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: $ and AIDS DRs.
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:02:00
Message Number 14269

KO: As for the friend that died..... If it were cancer that he had, it 
    would have been a whole different story. 
 
Yes, and no. Relatives and friends sometimes shun each other when one 
is terminally ill. Maybe because they can't deal with it, or maybe 
because they are somehow trying to protect themselves from the pain of 
seeing someone slip away. 
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: New Kids       
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:21:53
Message Number 14270

>She did say that the New Kids concert "sucked".
 
Evidence, perhaps, that she is a sapient life-form?
 
>But I think it was because of all the screaming children.
 
Well, maybe not...but at least she did have the proper response, even if
it was for the wrong reason.
 
For those of you out there who consider yourselves to be behaviorists,
take heed: An organism's responses to its environment do not always give
an accurate indication of that organism's mental state. Here we have a
behavior (saying the New Kids concert "sucked") which would normally
indicate at least a moderate amount of intellectual development in the
test subject, yet in this case it does not ncessarily indicate such
development.
 
That's not rude, is it?
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: U never learn  
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:26:30
Message Number 14271

>Why is it that i begin to tremble in fear whenever the screen scrolls
>up and I see FROM: TURTLE
>             To:   SAAVIK
>?
 
I dunno; why? :> (I like to think of it as "encouraging alertness in the
users," doncha know.)
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:30:09
Message Number 14272

>For instance, there is...[a] lot of "chatting" on Terran Trace.
 
Yeah, but you have to bear in mind that quite often the people chatting
on Terran Trace are (a) very young and (b) not always terribly profound,
so some of the limitations with chat mode may be more because of the
people doing it than with the medium itself. I'm sure a phone conver-
sation with some of Terran Trace's users would be equally
unenlightening.
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Hey!           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:32:17
Message Number 14273

>Yes I did get Turtle's yearly beating on VHS.
 
Yeah, I know, I know.
 
>Copies available!!
 
Oh, joy.
 
>Of course, I might be inclined to sell you the original.
 
Jeepers, you mean it? Gosh, that'd be swell! Just lemme save up my
allowance money... :)
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From: TURTLE              
To: RAT                 
Subject: Helms          
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:34:53
Message Number 14274

>And you'v got to admit he done a great job at foreign policy: he's
>invaded two countries in two years!
 
Uh...yeah. Well, if one subscribes to the Adolf Hitler Theory of
International Etiquette, I suppose one might admire the man's delicate
touch and shrewd grasp of all the subtlties involved in the gentle art
of diplomacy...
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:39:05
Message Number 14275

>Perhaps I should re-word:  "the plague which *should have* been
>intended for them..."
 
Nope, I'm afraid that doesn't help. It's still a patently ridiculous
statement.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: It could happen
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:43:06
Message Number 14276

>My intent was to imply that it *should have been* limited to gays.
>Did you read my post on people who don't care?
 
The nature of disease is such that a communicable disease will *never*
confine itself to one part of a population. Even if everyone on the
planet had the same attitude you do toward gays, AIDS would not be con-
fined to the gay community, simply because the pattern of disease spread
in a given population doesn't work that way. You will always get trans-
ferrance through non-sexual means, transferrance from bisexuals to
people who do not know their partner is bisexual (and there's no way
you will ever convince me that anyone can know with 100% certainty any-
thng about his or her partner's past if that person is willing to lie
about that past)...and in any event there is no evidence that AIDS
even /started out/ in the gay community to begin with; only that it
initially spread most quickly in the gay and Hispanic community.
Referring to AIDS as a gay disease, or even as a "primarily gay"
disease, is ludicrous, just as referring to syphillus as a "black
disease" is absurd even though outbreaks are most common in areas with
a large population concentration of blacks. It flies in the face of
everything we currrently know about disease epidemology.
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Homophobe      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:49:04
Message Number 14277

>How can you say that you are not a "bigotphobe" when you are so
>adamantly against bigotry?
 
That would be a very good argument except for one flaw: there is a
difference between being against Characteristic X and being against
people with Characteristic X. The fact that Saavik and I will continue
to associate with bigots indicates a difference of kind with people
who will not associate with people who are gay. QED. [As The
Specialist's analogy goes down in flames... :)]
In case you hadn't noticed, I am "against" homosexuality in the sense
that the thought of buggering some guy turns my stomach and I'd
rather be trampled to death by water buffalo than find myseld
in bed with some other male. I am not, however, "against" gays (or
against bigots); I am, therefore, not a homophobe...or a "bigotphobe."
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 13:56:05
Message Number 14278

S>...and no one but the two involved are privy to the conversation...
 
R>And the nice people tapping the phone line.
 
And the nice people who read the hardcopy...and the nice people standing
over your shoulder. :)
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From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Not Sex        
Date & Time: 03/27/91 14:01:04
Message Number 14279

>I oughtta pound you.... you are entirely too dry to be totally
>American. You gotta be an alien here to spy on us.
 
You gotta watch them aliens...you go to pound on 'em and they're
likely to split down the middle and sprout three heads or something
equally John Carpenter-ish.
 
BTW: Rufus told me he snagged Heavy Metal. Maybe sometime we oughta
find some apple cider and make it into a moviefest thing too: Akira,
Dark Star, Heavy Metal...
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: not Fag Basher 
Date & Time: 03/27/91 14:03:51
Message Number 14280

>I found myself wishing (at the Furry Party) that I'd stayed in
>college. But it was impossible for me to continue my Ed. due to
>funds.
 
Well, in that case, I'm kind of glad you didn't, since you probably
wouldn't have been at the Furry Party had you starved to death when
you got out of high school. So it's kind of silly to wish you had,
no?
 
>I will always feel "inadequate" around people who are [silliness
>ommitted].
 
Hmph.
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/27/91 14:07:15
Message Number 14281

>Yeah, I always end up in the back seat...
 
That's funny; when Rufus drives I usually end up on the hood, clinging
like a leech and screaming "Rufus, slow down, you @%&# idiot!!!"
'Course, that happened one day and Tyler, in the passenger seat, yanked
on the emergency brake thingie...
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Modem Rap      
Date & Time: 03/27/91 14:09:14
Message Number 14282

>Wonder what kind of dickhead...
 
Nice choice of words. We generally refer to him as "Richard Cranium,"
though, so he doesn't get offended.
 
>...sits there night after night, day after day...
 
Actually, he probably doesn't. The information gets recorded and
transcribed later, so he only has to spend eight hours a day reading
this stuff. Did Rufus and I tell you about the time we dumped the
script for the Rocky Horror Picture Show over the phone line 63
times because we had a muting failure? (Grin)
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From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Adequate & More
Date & Time: 03/27/91 14:11:55
Message Number 14283

>Hope we can all get together again soon.
 
Well, be watching for RufusCon III some time this summer...
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Stuff          
Date & Time: 03/27/91 15:35:00
Message Number 14284

SA> I guess I am uptight. 
T> Ding. 
SS> Ding. 
SA> You can both go *ding* yourselves. Hmmmmph!!!!
 
Are we making you uptight again?  
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 15:38:56
Message Number 14285

SA> (embarassing trips to the hospital from using The Seven Knots to 
SA> Heaven.)
 
Yeah, try this one on for size, I heard about a guy who got his "thing" 
stuck in a vacuum hose. 
  
 
You figure it out. 
  
BLUSHING !?!
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: ouch           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 15:47:18
Message Number 14286

JB> ...The second most popular (???!!!) object is the common light bulb
JB> - now /that's/ scary. 
 
No, that's stupid. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/27/91 15:50:51
Message Number 14287

TS> ...seems that the Smog-Monster is also a Torque-Monster, and I've
TS> broken an engine mount. Shit. 
  
You Monster, you drove it so hard that you actually broke an engine 
mount, that's incredible. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Party          
Date & Time: 03/27/91 15:53:55
Message Number 14288

T> ...next time I get my hands on some apple cider I'll have to invite
T. you & Jonboy over for some Hot Horny Foxes...
 
What about me?  (Scott thinks, he probably still mad at me for pinning 
his ass to the bed so that Kelly could spank him. )  Consider the matter
dropped, I won't be offended. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Hey!           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 16:03:35
Message Number 14289

SA> ...Copies available!!!! 
  
Good! I want one.  Nothing like having blackmail material handy. 
  
BTW, as far as feeling out of place you should talk.  I felt very out
of place whenever teh subject of computers came up. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Seven knots    
Date & Time: 03/27/91 16:08:01
Message Number 14290

T> nice way with words. 
 
TS> Thnak you...I try to never beat around the bush.  I prefer to be 
TS> blunt. 
  
And stubborn, pig-headed, etc, etc. *yawn* 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: My car         
Date & Time: 03/27/91 16:10:31
Message Number 14291

TS> ...and I don't need a vibrating car!
 
You already have a vibrating car.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 16:12:24
Message Number 14292

TS> And less respect for women who engage in homopervertual acts, too. 
  
Yeah, like you've never watched a f*ck flick with a lesbian scene. 
  
Gimme a shovel..the shit's getting pretty deep. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fag Basher     
Date & Time: 03/27/91 16:23:05
Message Number 14293

SA> Bushes foreign policy:..... 
  
Isn't that "Bush's", it is possessive after all.  
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From: RAT                 
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: o              
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:13:24
Message Number 14294

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From: RAT                 
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Bush           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:14:17
Message Number 14295

Right on!
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From: RAT                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Bush           
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:15:59
Message Number 14296

Have you no sense of humor? I was being sarcastic!  
...By the way, how did you know that I subscribed to Adolf Hitler's 
Theory of International Etiquette?
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From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:34:40
Message Number 14297

I told Scott to get it at PentaCon II since I wanted to have it incase
anyone wanted to watch it (which we did).  We both forgot about the
tape.  So sorry.  I'll drop it by today or tommorow.
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From: RUFUS               
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: sex            
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:37:41
Message Number 14298

>Yeah, I always end up in the back seat...
 
Ah, the images the term 'back seat' conjures up.  I took my friend along
this one bumpy street near our school and I took him over this really
neat bump and he said "I've experienced it [meaning the bump] in the 
back of Miriam's car."  Needless to say, it's a quote on my senior page.
(We have such a small school each senior gets a whole page for quotes
and pictures, and in my case, weasels in drag...)
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Sex        
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:44:52
Message Number 14299

Have you seen "Radioactive Dreams?"  That's an interesting flick.  I
picked it up when Camelot had it for sale.  You gotta love a movie that
starts out with little guys in leisure suits with big guns.
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Adequate & More
Date & Time: 03/27/91 17:47:41
Message Number 14300

S>Hope we can all get together again soon.
 
T> Well, be watching for RufusCon III some time this summer...
 
I'll probably be organizing some sort of gathering sometime within the
next few months.  My excuse could always be a graduation party.  I was
thinking of having a party with the theme "Come dressed as your favorite
unit of measurement," but it's so hard to dress as an astronomical unit.
"Hi, I'm an AU, and this it Boopsie, she's a pica.  Say, nice rendition
of Celsius."
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