From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: FORTRAN        
Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:26:26
Message Number  1301

>All that Fortran can do, Pascal can do...
 
Sorry. Wrong. Have you ever really gotten in to FORTRAN? Oh well.
FORTRAN lets you do direct memory swapping and direct editing of
low memory, Pascal emphatically does not. (Wirth would have a stroke
if he thought anyone was trying that sort of trick in Pascal.)
FORTRAN lets you declare numeric variables as Integer, Real, and
Complex, Pascal doesn't. You might be able to kludge something in
Pascal to deal with imaginary numbers, but it'd hurt. FORTRAN lets
you declare double-precision and extended-precision variables that are
64 bits wide; not Pascal. FORTRAN allows implied DO-loops; Pascal
doesn't allow implied anything. FORTRAN allows the programmer to change
the index in the middle of a FOR-NEXT loop; Pascal does not. (That
itself leaves out a lot of really efficient programming techniques).
If Pascal could really do everything FORTRAN could, do you really think
FORTRAN would be as immensely popular as it is?
                     --A "Death to Niklaus Wirth" Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Assembly Langua
Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:33:29
Message Number  1302

>Model III, Model 4. Same difference. Yarg! Yarg! Yarg!
 
C-64, Amiga. Same difference. (I have seen people actually make that
assertion, in all seriousness.)
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ATARI's and You
Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:34:34
Message Number  1303

>There is nothing wrong with either IBM's or Pascal; if you compare
>them with Atari 800's with Atari Basic.
 
Well, I know this guy who took an Atari 800, built a bank-switched
memory module and a really weird expansion box for it, and connected
a meg of RAM and 6 disk drives to it...so thpth! And what's wrong
with Atari Basic? So you have to dimension a string variable before
you use it. So? pascal makes you use Packed Arrays, which are the
same thing...THPTH!
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: BASIC          
Date & Time: 01/09/90 12:38:59
Message Number  1304

>...BASIC is a simplified and interpreted version of FORTRAN.
 
Nope.
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From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: 8 ball         
Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:21:33
Message Number  1305

But, when you smash the electronic one against a wall, it doesn't
spill liquid all over the place.  And with an electronic one, you can
rig it to give the answer you want (give one to the boss who is debating
giving you that raise).
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:23:52
Message Number  1306

You know where I saw Pinochio (sp?)?  In what is now the XXX movie
theatre on the Trail near Red Lobster.  I wonder if they still show it?
:)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: YARG!          
Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:25:42
Message Number  1307

I really doubt the existance of Santa, but am holding fast to the
Rudolph myth.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: FORTRAN        
Date & Time: 01/09/90 15:28:08
Message Number  1308

Not to mention FORTRAN is a better sounding word that Pascal.  Pascal
sounds like Pastal, Postal, and that kid in the "Rose is Rose" comic, 
Pasquale (or something like that).
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From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: for sale...    
Date & Time: 01/09/90 21:18:33
Message Number  1309

     Do YOU want to be pumped up??
     
     Well, I have an offer for you!
     A DP 1000 Gympak exercise set.  This thing will exercise your
     arms, legs, shoulders, along with muscle groups you didn't 
     know existed!  It has 110 pounds of weights, a padded bench
     and has all the attachments for a whole lotta exercises.
     It'll go in the corner and takes up VERY little space (maybe
     eight square feet).
     Oh yea, it is IBM compatible!!
  
     ALL THIS FOR ONLY $140 o.b.o.
     Contact me on this BBS for more information.
          
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From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Dear IBM User..
Date & Time: 01/09/90 22:26:36
Message Number  1310

Yeah, I Get Those Letters As Well....They Are Fools....Of Course,
I Guess I Mislead Them, 'Cause ISubscribe To A /Few/ IBM Magazines
Under The Name:
 
T.Y. Robinson
Pres. Robinson Compu Serv, Inc.
 
So, That Might Mislead Them, But My Dad Got Me A Magazine Subscription
Under That Name, 'Cause He Thought It Was Spiffy-Keen...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Depressed...   
Date & Time: 01/09/90 22:29:34
Message Number  1311

Someone Get Me Out Of This Depressed Mood Real Quick!  I Can't Stand
All The Non-Use And Lurkers On My Board.....Ihave Like 40 New Messages
A Month Or So Ago, And It Has Been Down-Hill Since Then.....The Other
Day I didn't Get One New Message....I Had Resolved The Day I Opened 
My Board That The Day I DOn't Get Any New Messages Is The Day I Take 
It Down.....And I'm Seriously Considering It, And I Scares Me!  Someone
Talk Me Out Of It Quick!!!!
 
REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: FORTRAN        
Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:31:02
Message Number  1312

Dear the ever-Pascal bashing Turtle,
   Pardon me. We're talking about different levels here. Okay -- 
GRANTED: Pascal does not have an "imaginary number" type. GRANTED:
Pasccal cannot self-modify in the middle of itself. GRANTED: Pascal
is slower, requires all variables to be previously defined, and, in
general, is not an efficient way of writing programs.
   Also, GRANTED: Fortran was used to encode the Voyager spacecraft.
   However, there is NO computation that Fortran (or any other major
imperative language) that Pascal -- or any other major imperative
language -- couldn't do. (Now -- whether or not they could do them
in real time is another question.) Programming techniques differ widely.
                Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ATARI's and You
Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:38:21
Message Number  1313

Atari Basic is completely unlike any other Basic known to mankind.
   1. There ARE no string arrays, and strings have a maximum length
      of 255. (Not much of a chance of simulating them, either!)
   2. The computer has an OFF (or BYE) command, dropping you to the
      "Atari 800 -- Notepad" mode.
   3. All error messages were encoded ("ERROR 37 IN LINE 500") -- I
      wrote an automatic code to take care of it.
   4. ML programming on the Atari was a BITCh, requiring one to go
      from the TOP of memory -- making sure one doesn't accidently
      re-draw over the screen, and tricking the 'pooter into thinking
      you have less memory, and lots of other things...
   5. The Atari THOUGHT it could only have three colors (okay -- four,]
      including the background) on the screen at once. To change this,
      one must change the colors using a special interrupt while
      the TV screen (or monitor) is in mid-flight between lines. You
      have EXACTLY enough time to change colors... if you bitch a lot.
   6. The 6502 processor has three registers. Three.
          (Geeez -- I'm getting away from the Atari Basic into the
           Atari in general. Now returning to your regularly scheduled
           program, already in progress.)
   7. Atari Basic regularly clocked in as the slowest Basic available
      for microcomputers in its price range.
   8. Because Atari Basic was etched in ROM, there was no easy way to
      fix the two major bugs (known since about six months after the
      computer was created) in it. By then, programmers had employed
      the bugs as part of their programming style... so fixing them
      would destroy their programs.
   
   I'm glad someone found a use for his Atari. I enjoyed it while it 
lasted; but I've moved on.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:54:37
Message Number  1314

XXX-rated Pinocchio? Sounds wonderful...
    "Oh... Pinocchio, Pinocchio... Do that to me, again, with your
nose! Ohhhhh!!!!!!" -- the Good Fairy.
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: YARG!          
Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:57:47
Message Number  1315

Yes; I've always wondered exactly WHAT Rudolph has been drinking to
make his nose so red...
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Depressed...   
Date & Time: 01/10/90 00:59:14
Message Number  1316

Dear Ken,
   Terribly Sorry To Hear You Are In A Depressed Mode. Think Of The
Bright Side Of Things: At Least You're Not Running Your BBS On An
IBM! Always Remember:
   (background music...)
   Just remember that you're standing on a planet that evolving,
     And revolving at three thousand miles an hour....
   (fade off, re-enter with different music...)
   Always look on the bright side of life! (whistles...)
   Always look on the bright side of life! (whistles...)
   (fade off, re-enter much more changed...)
   Oh, I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay,
     I slep all night, and I work all day,
   I wear high heals, my blue jeans, suspenders, and a bra.
   (fade off, leaving behind Monty Python in the distance.)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/10/90 07:15:29
Message Number  1317

Your ONE sick unicorn.  No, it was the G-rated version.....
SICKO!!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: YARG!          
Date & Time: 01/10/90 07:16:06
Message Number  1318

Rudolph drinks lighter fluid.  It also helps him fly.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/10/90 16:06:43
Message Number  1319

>You're one sick unicorn.
   Thank you. I always appreciate compliments.
                    Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Languages      
Date & Time: 01/10/90 16:45:41
Message Number  1320

>There is NO computation that Fortran...[can do] that Pascal...
>couldn't do.
 
Tsk, tsk, tsk. As a theoretical computer scientist, you should know
better than that. Machine language is, of course, the lowest level of
programming, and absolutely anything the computer is capable of can be
done in machine language by definition. High-level languages are
essentially constructs designed to take a finite set of expressions
and convert them into machine code; however, since there are a finite
number of expressions in any high-level language and there is not a
corrosponding one-to-one mapping between the high-level expressions and
every possible meaningful sequence of machine-language instructions,
the high-level language MUST represent a subset of all meaningful
sequences of machine-language instructions. Simply put, there are things
you can do in assembly that you can't in a high-level language.
   Now then, when we compare two high-level languages, there is one of
two possible conditions. Either the high-level languages have equivalent
sets of expressions which will generate equivalent sets of machine-
language instructions, in which case the languages are essentially
identical, or they don't, in which case they're not. Given two languages
which are NOT identical, then, there are three possible conditions:
the expressions generated in Language A are a complete subset of those
in Language B, the expressions generated by Language A have no points
in common with those of Language B, or the expression sets of A and B
intersect. Given that neither Pascal nor Fortran contains the other
as a subset, but they do have expressions which are the same, the
conclusion is that the machine level instruction sets generated by
Pascal and Fortran are intersecting sets. Therefore, there must exist
a program or program segment which can be implemented in one but not the
other. QED.
         --A theoretical Turtle
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/10/90 19:34:59
Message Number  1321

Somehow, I knew you'd say that.  Have you ever caught a cold that
effected your brain?  I couldn't speak right all day long.  I'd say
"Boy, you could use thock sherapy" and other things.  Boy...my brain is
still aching..
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL..               
Subject: Me..           
Date & Time: 01/10/90 19:37:44
Message Number  1322

I really should stop switching topics in mid-message, but I'm so used
to doing it.  I'll try be best to stop......
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SAURON              
Subject: IBM's          
Date & Time: 01/11/90 12:13:35
Message Number  1323

> The more I learn about IBM's and their clones, the less I want one.
 
This is understandable.  The only real thing they have going for them
is software support.  I've noticed that only about 10% of the commercial
and shareware/PD stuff for the IBM is really good, whereas it seems
about 25% of the stuff for CP/M and TRSDOS is... but that's 25% of maybe
20,000 programs as compared to 10% of 200,000.  Still, if being able
to run the latest version of Brand-Name business programs isn't the
most important thing in your computing life, they lose most of their
appeal.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: VGA            
Date & Time: 01/11/90 12:17:01
Message Number  1324

The Amiga's hi-res mode does go up to around 768 x 440 or something odd
like that (it's the 640x400 mode in overscan), but it still "only" has
4096 colors onscreen at once.  A lot of the digitization programs for
the Amiga advertise themselves as digitizing in 2.5 million colors,
which they do... but the built-in hardware can't display it that way!
They use 24-bit color (instead of the normal 4-bit color the Amiga uses)
so it will match high-end graphics devices used in video production.
Some of Digiview's products will use dithering to get 100,000 "apparent"
colors onscreen in the HAM mode, but it's by alternating colors, the
same way Apple ][ games get 64 colors onscreen instead of 4 or 8.  It's
just a lot less noticeable if you start out with 4096 colors than if
you start out with 8 on a 280x192 screen, or whatever the Apple uses.
    There is a graphics coprocessor card coming out for the Amiga soon
that uses the same processor the Macintosh II does, and gets 259 colors
out of the 16 million color palette onscreen at once.  It's probably
slower than the normal Amiga mode is, but since most professional video
work is done capturing each image to a frame buffer instead of trying
to do real-time displays, it's not a disadvantage.  It is also capable
of doing built-in overlay processing and scrolling/wipe effects, which
the Macintosh II can't.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BAD MOVIE LOVERS... 
Subject: It's...        
Date & Time: 01/11/90 16:36:41
Message Number  1325

A Bad Movie Fest on TNT.
Friday night starting at 10:50 p.m.
"Night of the Lepus"-Giant carnivorous bunnies go around Arizona.
1 a.m.  "War of the Worlds"-Eeek, they're here!
3 a.m.  "Dark Star"-I dunno much about this one.
 
I havn't seen "Night of the Lepus" but Turtle said it was good.  I
havn't seen "Dark Star", but think it was a college film extended?
 
I may not like Ted Turner, but his taste in movies is darn good.
So break out a blank tape or two, warm up the popcorn, and sit down
with a really bad movie.
===========

From: CHARLES DITTELL     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: IBM's          
Date & Time: 01/11/90 19:08:59
Message Number  1326

Is this discussion STILL going on? There are plenty of reasons why the 
AT configuration is probably the best all-around compromise between
speed, flexibility, COST, ease of maintenance, choice of software,
quality of software, and compatibility with most of what's out there.
You can argue forever, but once you clearly define the uses for your
next computer, if you stay unemotional about it all, you'll choose
at (or if cost's a factor at the 'at' level, xt)...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: *              
Date & Time: 01/11/90 23:38:35
Message Number  1331

IBM XT compats can be had for around $400. An interesting thing about
most of the really cheap IBM's is that they come with DR-DOS instead
of MS-DOS (since licenses for DR-DOS are cheaper)...and DR-DOS is by
far the better operating system. It's still got a lot of the stupid
boneheaded MS-DOS misfeatures (like no hash index table in the directory
and that really moronic "everything above 640K is video RAM, right?"
design flaw), but it's smaller and faster than Mush-DOS, doesn't have
all of Mush's weird bugs, and has a few more commands...
                           --A discriminating Turtle
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: 8 ball         
Date & Time: 01/12/90 00:47:48
Message Number  1332

> But, when you smash the electronic one against a wall, it doesn't
> spill liquid all over the place.
 
Just one more reason not to buy one.  And if your boss decides not
to give you that raise, even after you rigged the electronic fortune
teller, the 8-ball would be much more satisfying to break over his
head and see the liquid spread all over his toupee.
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: It's...        
Date & Time: 01/12/90 00:56:53
Message Number  1333

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  "Dark STar" hardly ever gets aired
on TV (for good reasons), I would have missed it if you hadn't posted.
Thanks, I'll set my VCR now.  Catch it, it's a wonderful flick....
Was produced as a final thesis project for a Directing student at
UCLA.  Done on a $5000 budget (and looks like they didn't spend a
penny more!)  The actors are students and the sets are poorly
disguised dorm rooms.  But it's great!  Mostly because of the direction,
the kid who directed it was John Carpenter of "Halloween" fame.
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Depressed...   
Date & Time: 01/12/90 15:38:17
Message Number  1335

HEY..I'M ON YOUR BOARD BUT WHEN I LOG ON IT GIVES ME A LOT OF "STUFFt(  
LIKE THAT AND I CAN'T GET PAST IT...HELP!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: <///>          
Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:19:57
Message Number  1336

                              FURRY PARTY!
                         F U R R Y   P A R T Y !
                   F  U  R  R  Y       P  A  R  T  Y  !
                   ------------------------------------
When: Saturday, January 20, 1990.
Where: Turtle's apartment, on US 301 by the airport (leave E-mail
      if you need directions)
Why: Why not?
 
There'll be munchies, juggling foxes, movies, and all manner of general
weirdness. Everyone is invited! Mark your calendar, make your plans,
be there or be Tofu (in the immortal words of furry legend Watts
Martin)!
 
Times: Starting around 5? Ending Ghod only knows when.
 
An Anarchy Now, Inc. production.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: 8 ball         
Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:34:31
Message Number  1338

Ahh..but the electronic one has sharp points which would enter the head 
to add that extra feeling of pain.  The 8-ball ones are to blunt.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ANGEL               
Subject: It's...        
Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:35:41
Message Number  1339

I've seen it at Video Library in Palm Plaza at the corner of
Bee Ridge & McIntosh.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: <///>          
Date & Time: 01/12/90 17:37:54
Message Number  1340

Mark me down.  We can show the Cal-Arts tapes.  When can we get together
and edit it.  And will there be any archdemons there??
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: ALot of stuff? 
Date & Time: 01/12/90 04:40:39
Message Number  1341

You may have the same problem a few others have had...try switching
down to 300 baud and see what happens...the problem with some people
having to call at 300 'cause my modem doesn't work right with their 
modems should be fixed in a week when Ifinally get my 2400 back from
AProtek...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL FURRYS!         
Subject: welp...        
Date & Time: 01/12/90 04:42:18
Message Number  1342

I'm trying to start a Furry base on my board....It is getting a few 
posts, but what Ineed is a few people who actually know what they are 
doing besides Turtle, Donthen, & Rufus chattin' up a storm...so please
call!
 
REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
 
If you have problems connecting, try at 300 baud...my modem doesn't work
right with some certain types of modems...but this should be fixed in
a week when Iget my 2400 back from Aprotek!
 
What's happened to Turtle?  he hasen't called in awhile!  ::Hint::
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: CYBERPUNK           
Subject: bbs            
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:39:36
Message Number  1343

I tried.  I called.  It rang.  And rang.  And rang.  And rang.  Sorry.
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: MSTF app       
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:42:09
Message Number  1344

I didn't know one was requested until just now!  But besides that, the
press is down still (it got cold, and once it was finally warmed up,
the power company decided a rolling blackout would be a really nifty
thing to do to people who left computers running while staying in Ohio
for a month).  There'll be an administrative session after the MSTF
get-together on the 20th (which I haven't announced yet, so, hey, there'
will be an MSTF get-together on the 20th! -- details later) at which
time some revisions to the current application will be discussed...
perhaps shortening it from its current 14 page mass to something a bit
less unreasonable.  Once they're re-done, a unit will be moved to
Sarasota, so you can get an app from Turtle after that.
                                                             Fox
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: IBM VGA        
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:47:55
Message Number  1345

But it's still not bit-mapped, so I don't think a HAM mode is even
possible.  I'll hafta think about it, and my brain isn't in think mode
right now, so...
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Grafix         
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:49:31
Message Number  1346

(... or a Silicon Graphics Iris... AND a PC-Z)
 
Even better, VGAhas a hell of a time MOVING things on the screen.  The
Amiga has the right chips for the job, and honestly, although I've seen
a GREAT deal of IBM-compatible software, I really have yet to see any
that is impressive... not even the demos, really.  Again, tho, IBM has
missed the mark by going half-way.  "Very Good Attempt" for the acronym.
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: LISP & Scheme  
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:55:53
Message Number  1347

LISP is good with list-intensive work, eh?  I'd never have guessed.
Ahem.  Uhm, oh yeah, do you have Scheme for Z80 CP/M-compatible systems?
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Your Messages  
Date & Time: 01/12/90 07:59:58
Message Number  1348

That's Two In A Row.  You Know, There's Something About Your Messages
That I Can't Quite Put My Finger On That Really Screws With My Mind In
A Way That Makes Me Want To Break Common Household Objects.
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Amiga/PC-Z/Sun 
Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:12:44
Message Number  1350

Sounds like the perfect trio to me.  Of course, I'll need a grant....
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:20:59
Message Number  1351

It WILL happen.  Of course, we had a sort-of gallop to see the current
Disney animated feature, but it wasn't well-announced, so it ended up
being a small group.
 
Other interesting news:  AKIRA will come out in FULL RELEASE sometime
within the next three months.  In English... not subtitled.  That's a
good target for a "furry fest", neh?
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:32:07
Message Number  1352

Lance Rund?  You wanna get us arrested or something?  (grin)
===========

From: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
To: ALL FURRIES         
Subject: AN MSTF PARTY  
Date & Time: 01/12/90 08:34:04
Message Number  1353

The first-Saturday-in-January MSTF party has moved back to Sarasota,
and will be followed by a full-fledged miniature real-live immitation
FURRY PARTY!  All are invited.  I think things will probably start off
around noon with the traditional Le Croissant picnick, then move to
the Trutle's place for the FURRY PARTY.  Rufus will bring the CalARTS
tape, I'll bring my collection (which has a few new additions), Donthen
will bring his collection of Furversions for those uninitiated, and a
special treat, Lance Rund is sending me a box of YARF #0's to give out
FREE to all that attend!  It should be fun, with plenty of fur and
general weirdness (brought to you by Turtle), and all are invited...
possible guest of honor: Juan Alfonso (if I can get him up here, 
otherwise you're stuck with me again).  See ya there!
                                                            The Fox
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: LISP & Scheme  
Date & Time: 01/13/90 09:57:50
Message Number  1355

> Do you have Scheme for Z80 CP/M-compatible systems?
 
Hmmm.  Well, as a matter of fact, I have a dialect of Lisp called
iLISP, which is based on the Scheme dialect; it's a shareware version
that I haven't sent in my money for.  It's kicking around on one of my
CP/M library disks....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:51:32
Message Number  1356

Wow...spiffy...keen-o...neat.....ribbit!  And don't say "I'll bite you
" or I'll get really ticked and dump a bottle of Nair on you and watch
as your hair falls out!
HA HA HA HA! <--evil laugh.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:52:37
Message Number  1357

>Lance Rund?  You wanna get us arrested or something?  (grin)
Hmmm...that's not such a bad idea.  I think he needs to apply for a 
grant from the government for his artwork.
 
WHERE'S MY YARF?????
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From: RUFUS               
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: AN MSTF PARTY  
Date & Time: 01/13/90 10:54:20
Message Number  1358

Actually, I think Crystal should be guest of honor, but only if she
makes some more of that yummy cake again.  And I will bring my new
drink I've created, which includes Mountain Dew and one other secret
(non-alcoholic) ingredient.  And oh yes, we WILL be going to a 
copy shop, won't we, Mr. Fox.
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ALot of stuff? 
Date & Time: 01/13/90 11:11:43
Message Number  1359

Thanks for the advice, I promise to try...by the way, I hope you didn't 
delete my account!!
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From: CYBERPUNK           
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: bbs            
Date & Time: 01/13/90 14:41:53
Message Number  1360

well, that's because it's down now, i am geting the registered version
of it and then it will be up.
sorry for the inconveniences(sp)
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Duh!           
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:22:04
Message Number  1361

Remember!?  Hello!?  Is anyone home!?  DUH!  My name is Bart!?!?!
 
remember?  We were all talking about when you were going to send ME
MY application at Rufuscon, and Usaid you'd get one to me right away!
 
hehehehe....I guess you have abad memory, eh?
 
-Ken obeer
 
WOOPS!
 
-Ken Ober
 (AKA- TRR)
 
Do call my board people, it's fun!
 REMOTE CONTROL! #1 - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Break Objects? 
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:25:50
Message Number  1362

But why!?  hehehehe  So, my messages can be /slightly/ annoying...
How do they screw with your mind?  DO they make you see multiple
images of your computer or something like that?  In that case it may
not be my messages, you may be on some sort of mind-altering drug
that would make you forget about my MSTFapplication or something
like that, eh?
 
-Ken Ober
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: PC-Z!          
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:28:24
Message Number  1363

Okay, do tell me what the heck this thing is and why it is so special!?
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From: KEN OBER            
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: AHEM!          
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:30:33
Message Number  1364

First Saturday In January, eerrr, that's passed already...let's make
it February, eh?
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: No Problem!    
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:32:19
Message Number  1365

If it has, just get a new one!  ANyways, I'm sure it hasen't yet, 
unless it has been like 3 mnonths....Isay I delete non-users every month
but i'm so lazy that it is more like every 3-months....
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: welp...        
Date & Time: 01/13/90 15:55:14
Message Number  1366

>What's happened to Turtle?
 
Well, that's a sad and tragic thing. You see, he was in the mountains of
Ceylon hunting white leopards, which he usually does on weekends, and he
stumbled across this top-secret communist military base where they're
testing this new ultimate weapon that turns everyone in the world into
clones of Dan Quayle, and so naturally he tried to steal the plans for
it and bring them back to the civilized world so our scientists could
start working on one for OUR side and once again achieve Quayle Parity
and restore the balance of power and stuff, only he forgot about the
eighteen German shepherds and the 500 soldiers with automatic weapons,
and his stolen MiG-23 ran out of fuel, see, and he crashed atop this
illegal drug lab, and... Don't worry, though, he's all better now.
                         --A harrassed Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: IBM VGA        
Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:00:00
Message Number  1367

>But it's still not bit-mapped...
 
You're not serious, I hope. Even IBM wouldn't be /that/ stupid...would
they...??
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: AN MSTF PARTY  
Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:02:11
Message Number  1368

If you're mixing something with Mountain Dew, it damn well BETTER be
alcoholic or you can be arrested for Mountain Dew Desecration. Heretic!
Mountain Dew is sacred.
                        --A caffeinated Turtle
You know, I drank eight cans of the stuff before work last night, and
I was shaking for several hours...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: PC-Z!          
Date & Time: 01/13/90 16:04:47
Message Number  1369

There's a text file about the PC-Z in the download menu...
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: AN MSTF PARTY  
Date & Time: 01/13/90 23:33:34
Message Number  1370

Trust me...it's just to boost the punch AND phlegm production in the
Mountain Dew.  Drinking eight cans is NOT good.  I hate when I get the
shakes, it's real annoying.
===========

From: ROCKY               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Gods/Religion  
Date & Time: 01/14/90 17:16:16
Message Number  1372

A Creationist Donthen, eh?
===========

From: ROCKY               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Grafix         
Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:09:38
Message Number  1373

Case in point: Try the Commodore 64 version of Test Drive, and listen to
the awesome audio tracks produced by only three voices.  Then try the 
IBM version of Test Drive, with only one voice, with the sound of a
terribly tuned clarinet.  Quite a difference.  THEN, try the AMIGA 
version of Test Drive, and throw BOTH the other machines away.  And as 
for graphix, well, the IBM doesn't have much better graphix then the
commodore 64,  at least with the Hercules graphix adapter, but the 
Amiga, WOW!  The scrolling of the graphix is totaly without competition
(Except for that awsome game at Sarasota Square Mall, called, oh, I
forgot, but the 3-D data base is AWESOME!)  Anyway, anyone who has
made such comparisons will (unless there brainwashed by the IBM 
communist movement) undoubtedly realize that there is a lot to be said 
on this subject.  As for prices, well, buy an IBM, stock. Then by an
Amiga.  With the IBM, you would have to buy the graphic card, for 
whichever monitor you have, be it CGA, VGA, Amber, or whatever, then 
you would of course need the Sound interface device to be able to even
get marginal music to listen too.  Meanwhile, the Amiga is well on it's
way down the course, playing in full stereo, and the graphics make you
swerve in your seat.  I ask you, which is the more worthwhile machine.
Also, with a bridge the price of a cheap disk drive, you can have 
complete IBM compatibility, whithout the need for all the other cards
for color monitors, audio, etc... What'll it be, boys?
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From: ROCKY               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ADAM!          
Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:21:22
Message Number  1374

Definetly a better choice for game machines...
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From: ROCKY               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Grafix         
Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:25:45
Message Number  1375

The IBM version of Test Drive comes with two disks.  One for VGA/CGA
mode, and the other for the Herc Graphics Adapter.  The VGA version IS 
very nice, but the screen updating is so much slower then that of the
Hercules graphics adapter.  I mean, who likes to drive a car in a series
of visual "clicks"?  But at least each click /looks/ good. BAH!
===========

From: ROCKY               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ATARI's and You
Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:29:28
Message Number  1376

Well, actually, Atari at one time developed a cartridge for their 
AT-800XL that was for Cable channel interfacing, and it still does the
job quite well.  The cartridge was called Graphi-Gen, and was designed
for use by cable companies to use as an actual channel on the cable 
network.  The program was nothing more then a screen swap program, with 
a midscreen scroll, that could be asigned display times, and you can
edit the scrolls and each of the swapping screens.  Storer cable was the
first cable company to fall for this little gen-lock cartridge, buying
almost 1200 of these units to use on condo installations, for their 
"in-house" information channels.  Well, about 3 years ago, Storer had
a massive "garage sale" of these computers, selling them from anywhere
between $50.00 to $150.00, including the software.  Well, unfortunately,
I now have to deal with these old 800XLs, and they are really a piece 
of trash.  The cartridge/program is, well, definetly something to be 
desired, and well, I get to play pac-man at least twice a day!  Other
then that, we have found these computers completely un-usable. so...
 
TTTHHHHPPPPPPTTTTTT!!!!
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From: ROCKY               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Analog...      
Date & Time: 01/14/90 19:47:23
Message Number  1377

Also, another trick that the Amiga uses to make it's graphics "look" 
like higher resolution then it really is is by using an analog video 
output.  In this manner, the Amiga can control the actual brightness
of each individual pixel through processing, and with half lit pixels,
the resolution fades along with the light, also affecting the shade of
colors.  This is the way you can get 4096 colors on one screen, by 
controlling the brightness and shading of these pixels through analog
output.
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From: ROCKY               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: welp...        
Date & Time: 01/14/90 20:00:08
Message Number  1379

Who wants to call at 300 baud!  ::HINT::
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From: ROCKY               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Mountain Dew!_!
Date & Time: 01/14/90 20:07:48
Message Number  1380

  I'll vouche for that!  Christ!  I drank four cans of Mountain Dew at 
work, and when I came home, I wras tippinf im a quiet scgramblped mammor
akd cirudn!t gyt mi tupping in orger toms;4-pkw;vrp,r;,,;sAAAHHHHHH!!!
CAFFEINE!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!!
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From: RUFUS               
To: ROCKY               
Subject: Grafix         
Date & Time: 01/14/90 21:30:10
Message Number  1381

Nice case, but 	I'll stick with my Sinclair ZX-81.
YARG! YARG!
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From: DONTHEN             
To: ROCKY               
Subject: Gods/Religion  
Date & Time: 01/14/90 23:26:50
Message Number  1382

> A Creationist Donthen, eh?
 
No.
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From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Welp...        
Date & Time: 01/15/90 03:02:18
Message Number  1383

The Ridiculously Complete Guide to BBSes in the Local Calling Area
(you know, the /real big/ one in the [I]nformation part of the
[S]how Neat Stuff menu) has once again been updated by Yours Truly...
check it out, download it, feed it to the dog, do SOMETHING with it,
so I don't feel like it was a /complete/ waste of time.
                         --An industrious Turtle
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From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: IBM's          
Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:38:08
Message Number  1384

[voice over]
"IBM BOWL II...This time its WAR!!!!"
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From: KEN OBER            
To: ROCKY               
Subject: The Game       
Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:48:53
Message Number  1385

Godd points made.....The game you were thinking of that is at SS Mall
is Hard Drivin' made by ATARI no less....There was an ad for the Amiga
in AMiga world (who does Commodore do that?  They advertise their 
computers in magazines for people who /already own/ their computers!)
ANyways, on the monitor, there was a game that looks remarkabely like
Hard Drivin'.....We may have it at home for the Amiga very soon boys &
girls!
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ROCKY               
Subject: 300 Baud       
Date & Time: 01/15/90 16:53:07
Message Number  1386

Well, when Iget my 2400 back from Aprotek we will not have that 
problem, no will we!?!?!  That's *IF* they ever get it back to me...
ARRGGG!
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From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: TV             
Date & Time: 01/15/90 21:33:23
Message Number  1387

In my quest to absorb all the TV programming I can, I have picked out
two shows and one movie to tell you, the public, about.
1) Around the World in 80 Days-sounds like a book, doesn't it?  Well,
Michael Palin of Monty Python fame, is attempting to follow the path 
made by Phineas Fogg ( or Fineas Phogg, or whatever).  The first 2 of
7 parts have been on, but you can catch the next five one hour parts
on A & E on Sunday at 8 p.m.  It's probaly on at other odd times around
the week.  This is a MUST SEE!
2) The Simpsons-yea, that great American family is on EVERY WEEK!
8:30 p.m. on channel 28 (FOX).  It is opposite Around the World..., but
that's why the VCR was invented.  A MUST SEE.  Oh yea, there will be
about 5-6 Simpson shirts coming out soon.  Be on the look out, and the
first person to spot 'em, please post a message.
3) Killbots-this is a really awful movie.  This thing stinks to high 
hell.  It was on at midnight, so I figured it would at least be funny.
The basic plot is these teenagers get locked in a mall where these
security robots go on a killing spree (seems they got struck by 
lightning).  After two of the eight teens get killed, the rest of 'em
get propane tanks and assault rifles to kill these lazer shootin' 
robots.  This is a really bad movie.  Avoid it at ALL costs.  It isn't
worth the magnetic tape it's on.  YUCK!  DO NOT WATCH!!!!
===========

From: SIDEWINDER          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Rath...        
Date & Time: 01/15/90 22:41:39
Message Number  1388

May the rath of ROY LEAP, and the ever present BIG 13 be upon you!! But
then you could probably care less, as Turtles can dig down and stay a 
comfy 72 deg. Mean while the rest of us have to stay topside and live 
with whatever type of weather our wacky hacker chooses! 

===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SIDEWINDER          
Subject: Rath...        
Date & Time: 01/16/90 00:24:19
Message Number  1389

>Mean while the rest of us have to stay topside and live with whatever
>type of weather our whacky hacker chooses!
 
That's right! And you know what else? If I could make it snowy and hot
at the /same time/ outside, I WOULD!! Ha ha ha!
                         --A wacky hacker Turtle
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Me..           
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:14:18
Message Number  1390

...and, on that topic, how's your pet goldfish?
              Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: <///>          
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:20:42
Message Number  1391

?Will there be any archdemons there?
    
    I'll have Michael Charon (see Courts of Chaos) put a warding circle
on the floor of Turtle's apartment...
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: MSTF app       
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:22:48
Message Number  1392

Dear Bart Fox,
   Shame on you! Thinking about SHORTENING the application for MSTFdom?
A pox on thee and thy house! May the golden unicorn of Paradise swish
his tail in your face! May the seventh son of your seventh son fail
Topology! May... uh, yes... where was I?
   Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it to the MSTF meeting. 
There's ANOTHER Sci-Fi convention going on (a wee bit larger than
MSTF -- but not much!) called VulCon, and my girlfriend surprised me
with a free membership. (I wonder if it's Trek-related?) Should prove
interesting... I'll tell you about it when I return. Yip!
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: LISP & Scheme  
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:27:00
Message Number  1393

Dear Bart,
   I'm sure it's available for CP/M... but I only have it for <cough,
choke, choke> IBM. Write to Texas Instruments and ask (that's where I
got my version of Scheme.)
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Disney Releases
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:29:15
Message Number  1394

Amen! Actually, just before the LAST furry fest, I took a close friend
to see "The Little Mermaid". Wonderful animation (of course), and 
good music. ("Under the Sea" was a terribly fun song.) (Do I use too
many parenthesis?)
   Even still, the plot wasn't as charming as many of the old Disney
flicks.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: AN MSTF PARTY  
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:34:23
Message Number  1395

> Mountain Dew is sacred.
    
   The Turtle is developing a religion with Mountain Dew as a sacrament?
Sheesh! If Quetzalcoatl said, "Take; drink, this is my blood" and passed
around a can of Mountain Dew, I don't think the religion would have
started out as well. (By the way, what did old Quetzy use for his body?)
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ROCKY               
Subject: Grafix         
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:39:47
Message Number  1396

Dear Rocky,
   That, of course, assumes you buy your machine for games. Others
have better uses for their machines.
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ROCKY               
Subject: ATARI's and You
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:41:24
Message Number  1397

Dear Rocky,
   I started out on an old Atari 800. (Notice: NOT an 800XL. Not even
a 1200XL. I bought my machine BEFORE Atari 400s were available.) Yeah-
they're a piece of junk, but they're a great piece of junk to have
started out with. (Even though they're slow, have no memory, and use
the 6502 chip...) (Yes, Turtle, I know about your Atari wonderuser with
a meg of RAM and all... but, when I was fourteen, I didn't know
diddly about bank switching.)
                   Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: D/Ls           
Date & Time: 01/16/90 10:51:15
Message Number  1398

Two questions fer ya, Turtle:
   1. Where's the "overly updated" version of the local BBS's?
   2. Whenever I try D/Ling anything, it immediately tells me
"Success" -- and quits D/Ling. Have you decided to ARC, ZIP, HACK,
LZH, LIB, AZT, NIV, QRS, TUV, ABC, and WOP your files down to one
byte?
                    Chip P. Unicorn
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From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: The Game       
Date & Time: 01/16/90 12:23:43
Message Number  1399

There is a game that /looks/ similar to Hard Drivin' called "'Vette",
although I don't think it's as good as the arcade game is.  'Vette has
better graphics in some ways (lower resolution, but a lot more in the
background) and does a credible job of solid modeling, but Hard Drivin'
is so far the first driving game that is really a "car simulator" in
the same way flight simulators model planes (and I'm talking about
military simulators, not just SubLOGIC's microcomputer ones).  Atari
does make some of the most interesting arcade games around.
   In a fascinating but useless bit of trivia, Atari Home Computers and
Atari Electronics (the makers of the arcade games) are actually two
separate companies, not just different divisions of the same company.
The video games are usually built around odd chips, like the Z8000 or
the 16016, and have nothing in common whatsoever with any computer
being produced by Atari.  This is also why Atari Electronics' games are
made by other companies for microcomputers instead of being produced
by Atari Computers; in fact, Atari Computers has trouble licensing
Atari Electronics games for use with their systems -- most of the games
that are made by Atari in the arcades are ported to the Atari ST by
Mindscape or Electronic Arts, because Atari Electronics doesn't trust
Atari Computers to do good versions....
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ATARI's and You
Date & Time: 01/16/90 13:06:58
Message Number  1400

>Yes, Turtle, I know about your Atari wonderuser with a meg of RAM
>and all...
 
The old Atari 8-bits were not bad computers; they were half of a good
computer that somehow never got finished. There is a subtle distinction
here. It's not terribly significant to the user if he doesn't know
anything about electronics--whether you have a bad computer or half a
good one, you're not going to like it--but becomes very important when
the person concerned is an electronics wizard who can supply the missing
half...
                        --A sleepy Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: D/Ls           
Date & Time: 01/16/90 13:10:21
Message Number  1401

Two answers for ya, Chip:
   1. The BBS list is in the Information section of the Show neat stuff
      menu.
   2. Well, it sounds like your downloading woes are on your end; I've
      seen people successfully download from here with no problem.
      My guess is you have something set incorrectly on your term
      program. (Remember PBBS only knows XModem Checksum; if you
      try to do XModem CRC it ain't gonna work...)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: D/Ls           
Date & Time: 01/16/90 18:40:13
Message Number  1402

I tried downloading and it kept saying TRANSFER COMPLETE....Itried
all THREEX-Modems Ihave, none worked, and all did the same, it opened
the file on my disk for 1/2 second, then said TRANSFER COMPLETE without
sending a single block....STranger, is last time Idownloaded a few month
s ago, everything went fine!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Me..           
Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:34:52
Message Number  1404

Ohh, the gold fish is fine.  Say, how's Athena Axelbreaker doing?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: <///>          
Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:35:33
Message Number  1405

I've seen that story board in Courts of Chaos.  I can say one thing:
Order in the court!
Order in the court!
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: FurryParty     
Date & Time: 01/16/90 20:40:30
Message Number  1406

Bart Fox, up north, says Juan Alfonso, from the south, will not make
it to NoJuanCon '90.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: ANYONE!!!!          
Subject: HELP!!!!!      
Date & Time: 01/17/90 14:43:14
Message Number  1407

I'm having some problems with my 'puter and need some tech advice.
First- yes I have an IBM clone (8088) running MSDOS version 3.21.  I
know you'll all say, "Go buy a new computer!" but I can't afford it so..
here's what it is doing:  The only way I can access files on drive C is
to insert my backup DOS diskette in drive A when I boot up...plus every
time I try to access a file I get the following msg: "Seek error Drive
C/ Abort, Retry, Ignore?"  Plus, everytime I try to access any files 
thru Q-Dos it denies their existance.  In addition, I do not have back-
ups of my files due to my recent viral infection (my backups were also
infected and I just havent gotten around to replacing them).  I'd rather
not lose all my files and many of them are copy-protected and I no 
longer have the original software.  Any suggestions?
===========

From: CYBERPUNK           
To: ALL                 
Subject: my bbs         
Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:05:20
Message Number  1408

guess what all, you might be tired about my bbs being advertised all the
time but i finnaly got it up and runnig on a regestered copy!!
well, call it if you want!!
H Y P E R C O M P !!!
813-371-0888
300/1200
Cy
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: D/Ls           
Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:33:52
Message Number  1409

Hmm. I just revamped all the download files; try again and see if it
works now. I think I figured out what the problem is and it /should/
be corrected now...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: HELP!!!!!      
Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:36:31
Message Number  1410

Sounds like your hard drive itself has a problem...like it's formatted
badly, or the sector ID's (written during a low-level format) no longer
match the sectors they're associated with (rewritten every time you do
a write)...probably the best thing to do is get everything off the HD
and do a low-level format. There is a formatting program floating around
for Mush-DOS which will reformat a hard drivbe without erasing the files
on it, but I don't know where you might be able to find a copy. I also
can't be more helpful without a more specific idea of the problem.
                           --An ever-helpful Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: CYBERPUNK           
Subject: my bbs         
Date & Time: 01/17/90 18:39:16
Message Number  1411

I tried calling a few times; the phone rang forever. (I tried once
at about 3 AM, so I /assume/ you weren't up using the computer...)
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Spiffy-Keen!   
Date & Time: 01/17/90 20:36:13
Message Number  1412

Well all, I amy, or may not be showing to the Furry party on Saturday.
I have to see how /other/ engagements turn out, even if those /do/ turn
out, I /may/ still be able to show sometime late Saturday or early 
Sunday....we'll have to see how things go...if anyone can do me a favor 
and ge ahold of an 8mm video tape, I'd be very happy, since mine seem
to be all filled up at the moment......Please tell me if you do, so I
won't go out and buy one!  Other News--The people at Aprotek say I shoul
get my 2400 soon...Ihave no idea how accurate this is, or even if it is 
true, anyways, that's all Ihave to go on, so, everyone who hasen't been
able to call, get ready to call my board sometime in the near future!
 
REMOTE CONTROL! - 378-2218 - 300/1200 Baud
 
HHmmm, what else is there?  AAHHHH!  Dragonfire 1.1i is coming soon!  
Is sports something that we all will love -- Absolutely no revisions
that will effect my board in the slightest!  WOW!  Nevertheless, I will
be running it soon, it may have some hidden features Ididn't notice whil
on Dragon's board......ANyways, that's all from the funny farm!  CHIP!
You said you never called my board!  Inoticed you were in my user log 
before Uwere deleted....what happened?  
 
If Ido go to the Furry Party, there is good news!  I will be sporting 
my new "Sleeman" shirt as Iam now calling it.....I hope everyone will
greatly enjoy it.... 
 
SOMEONE REMIND BART TO BRING MY MSTF APPLICATION!
 
Thankyou...
 
-Ken Obermiester
 
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From: RUFUS               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Spiffy-Keen!   
Date & Time: 01/17/90 22:02:03
Message Number  1413

O.K. Kenny, this has gone far enough.  I'm tempted to go buy a Remote
Control t-shirt (o.k., so I'm not tempted, I need to save my money) and
name it my "Robinson" t-shirt.  Just because I wore that shirt to two
BBS meetings in a row you decide to brand me with it.  Well, you ALWAYS
wear your Remote Control t-shirt.
But let's not turn this into a Windrider/Blacksword fight.
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From: CHIP UNICORN        
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Me..           
Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:54:45
Message Number  1417

Athena? Not sure... you'll have to ask Turtle.
            Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP UNICORN        
To: RUFUS               
Subject: <///>          
Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:55:28
Message Number  1418

>Order in the court!
   
   Trust me. There is none. While weirdness seems to follow Turtle
around, and entropy seems to follow Spellwind around (or, at least
four of his personalities...), dry humor seems to follow a small
brown-and-white mongrel dog named "Joe," who was last seen in Griffin,
Georgia.
                Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP UNICORN        
To: RUFUS               
Subject: FurryParty     
Date & Time: 01/18/90 01:58:19
Message Number  1419

Yes, but will East meet West there?
           Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP UNICORN        
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Spiffy-Keen!   
Date & Time: 01/18/90 02:00:33
Message Number  1420

Dear Ken,
   Actually, you're right -- I was a member of your board. However,
neither of my modems can access yours. Whahappened? Simple -- you
gave me membership when we were both at RufusCon '89 -- and I never
could call again.
              Chip P. Unicorn
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From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: No Problem!    
Date & Time: 01/18/90 14:58:33
Message Number  1421

Hi again...sorry I hadn't acknowledged your reply...been busy lately...
lots of scuba diving...well, talk to you later...
      -The Lady In Black
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From: RUFUS               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Furry Party    
Date & Time: 01/18/90 20:04:06
Message Number  1424

So, anyone want me to pop in at the video store and get anything.  We
do have Heavy Metal, Rock 'n Rule, the CalArts tape (6 hours worht), and
something I forgot, so we won't have a lack of movies to view.  Any 
requests?  And I will be bringing the box of Animal Crackers/cookies, 
but the more the merrier.
Till Saturday (two days, one test, one quiz away).
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From: KEN OBER            
To: CHIP UNICORN        
Subject: The modems..   
Date & Time: 01/18/90 22:30:33
Message Number  1425

My modem's beep is like a 1/274838th of a Mhz off, and if your modem is
/very/ particular about things, it won't connect...Fortunately, Ijuts
called Aprotek today, and I'm getting a new 2400 in the mail about 
Friday....and it'll work fine....if you have a great desire to call, you
will need to switch your 1200 to 300 baud, and then it will connect...
Watts had to do that for awhile until he got another modem, but the 
problem should be cleared up very soon....
 
Bye All!
 
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From: KEN OBER            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Furry Party    
Date & Time: 01/18/90 22:33:04
Message Number  1426

AHEM!  Announcing!  Is it okay if like 300 of my friends come along!?
Even those who *I* don'T know have heard about it at my school wanna'
come...I need to screen them to see if they are "NoJuanCon" material...
Anyways, Beatle (Derek Minor) may be showing, in which case ::TA DA!::
we will be having TWO video cameras!  Neet-o!  And Turtle, can we blow
up on of your dead VT-52's for the camera?  Use some magnesium bombs and
stuff outside....that'd be neet!  
 
I will be bringing STAR TREK IV if people remind me...also the famous
VPA tape, and a tape of the last CON (RufusCON)....anyways, when 
will we have a CONwhen I'm a guest of honor???
 
Now...bad news, this may /not/ materialize, because I /may/ be doing
something with Jenn, and she doesn't like the Idea of going to a 
"Furry Party", and sorry, but she takes priority over you all, but 
that's just a /maybe/ because she...well, it's a long story, never
mind....anyways, is it okay if Scott &Dan & Derek & Derek & WIndrider &
some other people come?  They all want to...Trixie may even show if it 
is okay?
 
C-'Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sl8rz DoOdS!!!  hehehehh  ];>
 
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-Ken Obermiester
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From: DONTHEN             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Furry Party    
Date & Time: 01/19/90 11:50:28
Message Number  1427

This isn't a pseudo-convention (as Turtle keeps pointing out to me), and
despite Rufus' best efforts, it is *not* called "NoJuanCon" anywhere
except his fevered imagination.
   As long as these people have /some/ idea of what they're geting into,
I wouldn't have any problems with them coming, although I'm not the
host.  It should be pointed out that this is not likely to be your
typical after-school party, so if people are planning to come over for
the main reason of getting drunk and acting like idiots they won't be
all that welcome--and they probably won't enjoy themselves.  If someone
doesn't have even a mild interest in animation, anthropomorphic comics
or sf, he or she won't like the party, and since everyone has to drive
some distance to get to Turtle's, it's not like a con party where the
most you've "wasted" is a three-minute elevator ride.  Someone who would
rather be pulled over a field of broken razor blades than pay money to
see "The Secret of NIMH" would hate it.  Someone who thinks all comics
are for kids--or never looks at comics that aren't Marvel or DC--would
hate it.  Someone who is baffled by the Double-Edge Tavern and Ace of
Spades subs on Courts of Chaos--or still pictures Murr & Turtle as
refugees from old Mickey Mouse cartoons--would hate it.
   Also, be aware there /is/ likely to be alcohol and a lot of stuff
the prudish would consider pornographic.  For a lot of the people you
mentioned, "prudish" = "parents."  These are just a few things to
consider.  Derek Miner would probably enjoy it, but the most interest
I've seen in fantasy/sf from Windrider is the fact that he likes D&D.
Like I said, anyone who wants to come to a furry party should know what
they're getting into; anyone who isn't really interested but just "has
nothing better to do" might be better off staying home vegetating to
MTV.
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From: KEN OBER            
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: ack!           
Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:31:52
Message Number  1429

Just yell at me folks....well, fortunately, noone else has requested
to come, so, this may be good....HEY, I was just going to bring ONE
person.../most/ of the peopel Iwas speaking of were the dweebs who call
Courts Of Chaos and are planning to show.....On is only 12....Like I 
said, I don't think Turtle should have said "Everyone Is Invited"
 
HHmmm, well, doees anyone know if Ican get some sort of ride home?  
(That's if I'm going to be able to show at all...)  It'd allow me to
stay later....HHmm, I'll be bringing my hitchhiker book as well, so, 
everyone can oohhh &aaahhh over that!  hehehehe....
 
bye...
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From: KEN OBER            
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Sure...        
Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:47:01
Message Number  1430

And you all should have put that in your advertisements!  Anyways,
I didn't tell Windrider where Turtle lives, so, he probably won't be
showing.....ANd I tried to talk a friend of mine from school to show,
but they aren't that stupid!  :)  Anyways, see 'ya all at the CON 
tomorrow......Igotta'get back to Rescue Rangers now!  :)
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From: KEN OBER            
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: BTW-Crystal    
Date & Time: 01/19/90 16:49:29
Message Number  1431

Thanks alot for contradicting everything you said while chatting @
me last night, but then again, you were half-way asleep....
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From: RUFUS               
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Furry Party    
Date & Time: 01/19/90 17:00:42
Message Number  1432

O.K., so I have a fondness of naming things.  And Juan rhymes with con,
so I couldn't resist.
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From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: problems       
Date & Time: 01/19/90 17:11:58
Message Number  1433

I think you're probably right about my needing to run a low level format
- if you should hear about a program that will allow me to scrape my HD 
clean w/o dumping my files I'd appreciate a msg.. I ran a diagnostic
last nite and got the following error msgs:
    DISK ERROR READING FAT 1
    DISK ERROR READING FAT 2
    SEEK ERROR READING DRIVE C
    PROCESSING CANNOT CONTINUE
    FILE ALLOCATION TABLE BAD DRIVE C
    ERROR READING ROOT
Nice eh?  I just wish I knew whatinthehell caused this.
I wonder what a 9mm steel-jacketed slug would do to this thing?  Hmmmm.
I'm going to try and drop by Perkins tomorrow to meet a couple of you 
guys...if I dont make it have a good time.
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: ack!           
Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:11:22
Message Number  1435

     I am sorry to yell like that.  But you must admit that a room full
if high school people could scare anyone.  But will see what happends.
                              * CRYSTAL *
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: BTW-Crystal    
Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:13:29
Message Number  1436

     Yes I was 1/2 a sleep.   And the more I thought about it, the less
I liked it and the more up set I got.  Any way like I said will see 
what happends.
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From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: problems       
Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:21:20
Message Number  1437

Yngling, I don't think you need to use firearms on your HD.  Just get
me 50 yds. of nylon rope.  We tie it around the HD, tie the other end
to a car, and drag it down 301 for a few miles.  That'll teach it a 
lesson!
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From: RUFUS               
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: ack!           
Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:22:52
Message Number  1438

I don't think it's the room full of high school kids, it's the room
full of high school kids who are weenies.  I'm in high school and I 
don't think I'm a weenie.  I've been called weird, rude, stoopid, 
bizarre, and in need of help, but not a weenie.  Come to think of it,
a room full of your average high school student is terrifying!!
Anyways, I'm tired, and going to bed soon, after I figure where to hang
this poster of a hydrogen bomb at.
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From: YNGLING             
To: RUFUS               
Subject: problems       
Date & Time: 01/19/90 23:38:43
Message Number  1439

You may have a plan there Rufus but I need more details before I can 
give it serious consideration...what gauge of rope?  What type of car?
Exactly how many miles?  Remember: we are dealing with sensitive
equipment here and a single miscalculation could have dire consequences.
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From: TURTLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: No Problem!    
Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:48:44
Message Number  1442

>been busy lately...lots of scuba diving...
 
You dive? Where? You know, if you have any interest at all in ocean-
ography, marine biology, or marine ecology, I bet Lorelei would
/love/ to talk with you. She's in the Keys right now, doing work for the
Dolphin Research Center in Key West.
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Furry Party    
Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:50:43
Message Number  1443

>...can we blow up one of the dead VT-52's? Use some magnesium bombs
>or something?
 
Well, except for the fact that (a) I don't have any powdered magnesium;
(b) I don't have any detonators, and (c) a cartridge bomb wouldn't
really be that impressive anyway (they are incindiary, not shattering,
bombs, and don't generate much of a shockwave), well, no. If you
really wanted to blow up a VT-52, a magnesium bomb wouldn't cut it.
You'd need something like a dynamite or plastique device for that...
magnesium cartridge bombs are useful primarily as ignitors for
much larger devices. On the other hand, if you want to use a gasoline
explosion to blow a refrigerator door into low earth orbit, well,
magnesium is JUST the thing you're looking for...
                        --An explosive Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: problems       
Date & Time: 01/20/90 02:56:01
Message Number  1444

Yes, from the looks of things I'd say you absolutely need to run a low-
level format, and badly. I've heard exactly once of a program that will
do it without losing your files, but in your case I doubt it would work
because the disk has to be readable in the first place to salvage
everything on it. It sounds like you may actually have a media fault
(a physically damaged area on the surface of the disk). The best I
can advise is to copy off all the files you can and just format the
sucker and take your losses, although if you /do/ have a media fault
don't be surprised if you find you can't even format it. (If that is
the case, the hard disk is a loss.)
The most obvious thing that will cause that sort of problem, especially
if it happened all of a sudden, is a head crash. Other than that, I
don't really know where the problem could have come from...
                       --A floppy Turtle
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From: KEN OBER            
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: ack!           
Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:38:32
Message Number  1445

Don't worry...as far as Iknow, only Me, Rufus, and Derek are the only
HIgh-School people showing......
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From: KEN OBER            
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: Cake...        
Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:39:18
Message Number  1446

Hey, I didn'T have any of your "yummy" vcake last time at RufusCON...
Are you gonna'make more this time?  :)
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From: KEN OBER            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: HHmmm....      
Date & Time: 01/20/90 11:41:40
Message Number  1447

I could always being my MAD! recipe for homemade Plastique out of
common household products!
  
    :)
  
            -- A MAD! Ken Ober
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From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: problems       
Date & Time: 01/20/90 15:13:48
Message Number  1448

Well, a '77 Nova or a '79 Chevy Van would probaly work.  I don't think
the rope is that important, just as long as it holds.  Here's exactly 
what ya do.  Tie the hard drive up, tie the other end to the car.
get the car up to 50 mph then toss the hard drive out the window, so it
hits the pavement at a high speed.  How long you drive depends on the
size of the HD.  You just use MEGS*.075
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: abortions...   
Date & Time: 01/20/90 17:52:55
Message Number  1449

  -------  Just as a disclaimer, the opinion expressed is not mine, 
but my girlfriends ----
  
 
  god calls it murder.
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From: BEATLE              
To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX     
Subject: Robin Hood     
Date & Time: 01/20/90 18:49:41
Message Number  1450

  Disney's "Robin Hood" has been on video for a long time. I think it 
was a limited release at first, but if you check some Wal-Marts, there 
is a whole set of re-released Disney tapes at $25. Some titles in-
clude: Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Alice in Wonderland, and most likely 
Robin Hood...
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