From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 13:59:02
Message Number  8803

SW>I'll restrain myself from 20 full page posts on how much bullshit
SW>Judeo/Christianity is......
     
Actually, I'd find it more interesting if you didn't.
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:02:15
Message Number  8804

> :) It's nice to have you back.
     
   Why thank you, Lady! Your smile always brightens my day.
               Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:04:00
Message Number  8805

>Is anyone interested in purchasing an official Uncle Bob's Alligator
>Farm & Tofu Museum T-Shirt?
     
    I've got to see them first. Anyway, when are we going to get the
RufusCon II shirts? (One of the two prerequisites to RufusCon II. Of
course, the other is a place.)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:07:43
Message Number  8806

CPU> Propose an alternative...
T> I don't see any need to do anything of the sort.
     
   There most certainly is a need. Without a form of transportation,
people cannot get food. Starvation might be a longer form of death, but
it's death nonetheless. (Not many people live close enough to a 
supermarket that they can walk there. Bicycling in Sarasota is a joke.
And the public transportation system here isn't that great.)
                Chip P. Unicorn
     
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:11:43
Message Number  8807

>Fries in batter generally taste better than fries without..,.
     
I rest my case. <He is busy watching the Crab arrive with a large 
platter with a hundred and twelve -- nay, a hundred -- large and
delicious French Fries, and napkins for all.>
               Chip P. Unicorn
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From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:54:14
Message Number  8809

Why do you believe God has any sex whatsoever?  As there's no proof
either way, it would seem to be a rather suspect statement.  If there
were a "supreme being" who created the universe, it would be a great
deal more logical to believe that s/he has aspects of both male and
female, as s/he would be both mother and father to creation.  (There is
a fairly long and interesting defense of thinking about god as a male
being I've read that argues it from a metaphysical sense, but I have
seen defenses of thinking about god as a female that are just as
well thought-out.)  Why in the world would a supreme being literally
have a sex at all?  It's not like s/he is going to have another
supreme being to have sex with, at least in a monotheistic cosmology....
===========

From: MAX                 
To: MMA                 
Subject: good food      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 14:58:36
Message Number  8810

>I especially like denny's Grand Slam breakfast. Don't get their nachos
>supreme though. It's not supreme in any way at all. (unless you're
>a good case of indegestion)
 
Tell me about it.  Perkins' nachos are just mediocre; Denny's are out
and out vile.  But at least they give you LOTS AND LOTS of them.
Ordering fast-food pseudo-Mexican dishes anywhere except Taco Bell is
usually a lost cause anyway, though.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 09/13/90 16:28:22
Message Number  8811

thanks I will do that. I will just copy the working p-8 Dos on to the HD
Just a minute.
It works. Thanks Rufus
Giving the hard drive to blind project at High School. Oops it just went
down. It worked for a little time. Dave is using the Apple.
You mean Dave is using the AT and Mike is using the Apple. Sometime
I am going to get him to give away thsat Apple.
Confusing folks isn't it. There are two of us. We are cousins. We look e
alike to fool his boss at Sears. That lady is a viper from the word go.
I do not see why he puts up with her.
Thed robot is dead. I greased the wheels and the sucker blew its mind.
Mike is just about ready to kick me out.
Thanks again for the hint asbout the hard drive Rufus. I have to tinker 
the drive card a little and find the thermal break in it. This is Mike
again Dave is out messing with the Robot. He wasted a can of oil on the 
drive and it dripped on the wheels. I pulled the drive motor connection
out. Oops here he come better sign off
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: rufus          
Date & Time: 09/13/90 16:42:06
Message Number  8812

Data LIne has had a board up for about a decade with few down times.
We checked the log and it shows that the machine was down only for 
a week in thew past two years. It comes down when there is rain in the a
air. You should contasct Stu Davis to discover his secrete.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: SYSOP               
Subject: sorry          
Date & Time: 09/13/90 16:47:01
Message Number  8813

Sorry I used Tech Talk for some personal business. I will not do that
again. Please forgive my bad manners. Blame it on my youthful
exuberance or advanced age, which ever. I will not do it again though
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 16:54:04
Message Number  8814

GOD has male organ identification factor because in culture at time
of the writing of the history books called the BIBLE were male dominate
force. In Persian society at time female and male were near equal. This
caused much trouble and many idols, Greeks were monothesists until their
empire grew to include near East. The island of Sophist(misspelled) on
the way to Persia helped Greeks adjust to new many God culture. Chief of
Greeks Gods was ... (later to be called Zeus). Arthena was added later i
n Greek history as the cities were built. She chnged her name to Athena
and became patron of Athens.
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 09/13/90 17:12:03
Message Number  8815

You mean Jim Davie"s place is going to have pizza or rather McPizza?
How nurdy to quote my young cousin. You are quoting a real source
or wishful thinking? I am a pizza freek!
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 17:58:47
Message Number  8816

   This ain't really to you, but while we're talking about deities,
 the Judeo/Christian DID evolve from the ancient wargod Marduk.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: CD's           
Date & Time: 09/13/90 18:38:49
Message Number  8819

 
 Oh yeah... I assumed something different with "mixed tapes" (like a 
bunch of nonsense thrown on a tape or something odd like that). I like 
putting tapes like that together for my walkman, and I know Ken Ober 
(er, Ken SABLE) does that  for his car... interesting passtime.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 09/13/90 18:42:34
Message Number  8820

> test site for McPizza beginning in  1991...
 
   And I feel some sort of sickening impulse to be there as it happens 
and let everyone know my opinion... yes, this stems from having nothing 
better to do after my homework. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 09/13/90 18:46:25
Message Number  8821

>...when are we going to get the RufusCon II shirts? 
 
  When are we going to get the RufusCon II??
 
  I guess the partying will just have to wait 'till Necro... I was 
hooked after my first furry party. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: rufus          
Date & Time: 09/13/90 18:49:39
Message Number  8822

> to discover his secrete...
 
  That sounds a bit scary.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MMA                 
Subject: good food      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 21:09:55
Message Number  8823

Yea, I used to get the Grand Slam all the time.  Four links of sausage
though, I don't like bacon. 
  
 Y'know who has a really good breakfast for a little money?  Jeans, int
the college plaza in Bradenton.  Right behind the Barnett bank on
the corner of 34th and Cortez.   They give you massive amounts 
of food for really, really reasonable prices.  Thier pankakes are like
half an inch thick and about 9-10 inches round!  Now, that's my 
kind of pancake!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Francais       
Date & Time: 09/13/90 21:12:51
Message Number  8824

Ah, forget it.  Lets go back to English.  I'm getting tired of 
one-uppmanship.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Dog House      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 21:13:38
Message Number  8825

Oh, great...make ME feel guilty!  Well, don't feel bad...it's just 
that I REALLY would like to have this band thing put together and
everyone is DRAGGING THIER F**KING HEELS!  
  
'Scuse me.  Like I said, I really  would like to see this band get
together and play...
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:14:08
Message Number  8828

Allowing elderly people (as a group) to retain their independence does
not seem too feasible when they are not, in fact, independent.  Bodies
and minds deteriorate, and the owners just have to come to the realiza-
tion that they are just not as capable as they used to be.  It's quite
obvious to the rest of us out on the road when somebody should no longer
be classified as such.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: McDonalds      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:18:30
Message Number  8829

McDonald's fries are both the best and the worst fries I've ever had the
pleasure(?) of enjoying.  Depending on the franchise, the time, and who
happens to be on duty, they are either cooked to perfection or hardly 
cooked at all.  All said, however, I usually am not up to the gamble.  I
will have to try some of your suggestions (Rallye's, Checker's, and
Popeye's).
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:23:22
Message Number  8830

TS>Bravo!  Well Spoken!  Hear, Hear!  Author, Author!!
 
The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: MMA                 
Subject: Nachos         
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:33:11
Message Number  8831

Anybody know of a good place (preferably 24-hour) that serves huge 
plates of plain cheese nachos (without having to special-order them)?
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:34:47
Message Number  8832

But if God is in fact male, what a penis and scrotum he must have!  And
if he is female, just imagine the hooters on her!  God, I wish I were a
god.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:38:16
Message Number  8833

God has no sex?  What a dull existence, don't you think?
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: ALL                 
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/13/90 22:43:30
Message Number  8834

Abortion!  Euthanasia!  Racism!  Capital Punishment!  God-given infer-
iority of women!
 
Any questions/comments?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: ---            
Date & Time: 09/14/90 02:56:55
Message Number  8837

*Imported from Fido 1:137/111*

Date: 08 Sep 90 12:48
From: Chris Grant
To: All

America's Funniest Home Videos presents...WEEKEND AT CLUB FLED!
There's Noriega and Marcos, hamming for the camera...and look!
Pinochet on the rooftop, what a silly boy. And the deposed royalty of
several dozen MidEast nations...what for are they here? Because they
represent a system of government that has no place in modern times? Nah..
for the last 200 years, everyone's loved royalists, right, Mr. Washington?

Hey, take a look. Communism, pah. America, believe it or not, comes
closest to any Communist role model--at least in the early years. Think
about it--a government of The People..for The People..BY THE PEOPLE.
Anyone can become president. A leader is elected by popular mandate.
America was founded on the ideas of individual freedom and rights and
liberty--government interventionism was rebuked.

Now we have self-righteous Pharisees running about burning books and
records that are "of the devil". They do not hold up to their twisted
ideas of "Christianity". When was the last time bands of toughs roamed
streets and burned "subversive" material in the name of the Greater
Good. A hint: "Heute Detschland, am Morgens die Welt! SIEG HEIL!"

Wasn't religious and governmental persecution the original drive
behind the American rebellion? A system of kings telling Americans how to
run their lives? They wrapped that up in the church as well, to make it
seem like thay had divine backing.

The Soviet Union is closer to America's original goals than America
is. As the gov't encroaches more and more upon our lives, the
pressure to conform is obvious. America was not about conformity. It was
about breaking away, setting new rules... It used to be about individual
initiative and drive and courage, now it's "don't rock the boat, be like
the rest".

And now, the American poor is going to supply the blood for the
princes' baths. While the gov't tells us, "it's okay, it's for the
Greater Good".

Sieg Heil. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/14/90 02:58:14
Message Number  8838

The message you just read was captured from the CandyNet Debate
Echo, and was written by Chris Grant, a career military man now in
the process of preparing for stationing in Saudi Arabia. I think it
raises some fairly interesting points; comments, anyone?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/14/90 06:12:30
Message Number  8840

  I don't think all elderly should be banned or anything like that. My
grandmother is close to 80 and she still drives with a perfect record,
knows very well how to order al McD's, and lives alone. She's one of the
few elderly drivers that should still drive.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Note           
Date & Time: 09/14/90 06:37:53
Message Number  8842

 I recently came across a news report that said CBS/Fox will have a 
legitimate home video release of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" in 
November for a VERY limited time. I don't know exactly who would want to
know this, but I'm sure someone does... the script of the thing is on 
this board!
===========

From: PETER PREFECT       
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: @*&%$$#@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 11:32:56
Message Number  8843

RIGHT ON. YEA, WOMEN ARE CERTAINLY INFERIOR TO THE MALES OF THE
SPECIES. REALYY, I DONT THINK THEY CAN USE COMPUTERS[D) DO YOU
AGREE??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:42:16
Message Number  8844

>But I believe God is male.
 
In what sense of the word? Does he have a divine penis? If so, what
does he use it for? After all, you claim to be a monotheist.
 
Debating the masculinity of god is pointless. It is quite obvious that
a divine being most likely would have no particular sex as we understand
the word. Figure sex exists in the first place as a mechanism for
promoting genetic diversity, which is presumably something god doesn't
have to worry about. Ascribing sex to god is even farther off-base than
ascribing sex to an amoeba.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:46:31
Message Number  8845

>Just throwing clay pigeons.
 
Well, if this is just a skeet shoot, you can ignore my last post.
 
...you will anyway.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MMA                 
Subject: logo 4 JB&b    
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:48:18
Message Number  8846

You mean society is long and thin, made out of glass, and won't hold
liquids any more?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:50:42
Message Number  8847

So what you're saying is that if we take driver's licenses away from
people who can't drive, they'll starve to death? That's funny; I get it!
 
...or was that supposed to be serious? It's kinda hard to tell. If that
/was/ serious, then it's even funnier, I'm afraid. The premiss that all
people who can't drive are incapable of getting food is, to put it
mildly, a shaky one, although I'd /love/ to watch you try to defend it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:53:17
Message Number  8848

Fries in batter generally taste better than plain, 'tis true, but
from what I can tell Checker's fries are an exception. McDonald's
fries, properly cooked, defeat Checker's battered fries hands-down in
sensory appeal, which is, after all, what french fries are supposed to
do.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 09/14/90 14:56:40
Message Number  8849

>You are quoting a real source or just wishful thinking?
 
Nope, I have it from the area supervisor that we're supposed to be
getting McPizza next year; /he/ has this information from the director
of marketing of McDonald's USA. No word on when we're getting it,
though.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/14/90 15:01:16
Message Number  8850

>The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
 
Now, now.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 15:01:54
Message Number  8851

>Abortion! Euthanasia! Racism! Capital Punishment! God-given infer-
>iority of women!
>
>Any questions/comments?
 
A cat will blink when struck with a hammer.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/14/90 16:26:27
Message Number  8852

Ask her about the good old days, when McDonalds made consistenly
excellent fries.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 16:29:29
Message Number  8853

But if it happens to be Schrodinger's cat, how can you tell?  Another
thing I have often wondered is how they set up that funny random lethal
thingy in the box and know for a fact that it works.  One can't really
stay inside the box and observe, can they?  That would be cheating; it
would also be frighteningly similar to being trapped in an old 
refrigerator.  Then one couldn't tell whether or not they would die
either unless he knew what setting it was on or whether or not it was
plugged in, but then it would not really be a random experiment, would
it?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 21:36:55
Message Number  8854

Abortion: within certain limits.
Euthanasia: Yes.
Racism: No.
Capitol Punishment :  Yes, Yes, and Yes.
God-given inferiority of women:  Huh?  I doubt it.
Homosexuality:  abonormal, abberant, perverse, sick, sick, and sick.
(in short, no.)
 
                      An Opinionated Specialist
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/14/90 21:51:17
Message Number  8857

Uuh huh...yep...sure, sure...*yawn*
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 21:52:52
Message Number  8858

Look, Turtle, it's good to see that you have pride in your company and
in your work, but really, who cares?  French Fries are french fries, and
if it's any comfort, MacD's fries are what I judge all other fies 
against.  Lets face it, they're the standard for the industry!
   
  
  
So let's drop it, huh?  Please?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 21:55:03
Message Number  8859

DION> ...questions/comments?
T> A cat will blink when struck with a hammer.
  
  Well, actually, it seems to me that it would depend on how hard 
you strike it.  I have never struck one with a hammer, though, so
I wouldn't know.  I can, however, tell you that it is a myth that
they always land on thier feet.  I can also say that when spun and
dropped at the same time down a narrow tube (like a laundry chute)
that it is possible for them to land on thier heads.  In addition to
these interesting facts, cats can get dizzy.  When rolled laterally,
(such as when rolled up in a long narrow carpet and unrolled at high
speeds, or when stuck on a Lazy Susan, covered with a pot and spun
at high speeds) they have a tendency to run into walls.  (Literally:
they run away but cannot tell where they're going, thus, into walls.)
   
  
Hmmm.  I'll have to try that Hammer thing. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: PETER PERFECT       
Subject: Women          
Date & Time: 09/14/90 22:03:59
Message Number  8860

Hmmm.  I know a woman who uses a computer (and though she is given
to violent outbursts of emotion) damn well.  In addition, she is a 
good speller.  Well spoken (when speaking logically) and seems to
have a sense of humor as well.  Come to think of it, I know several
women who use computers and all quite well.  
  
  At least they know where the CAPS LOCK key is....
===========

From: MMA                 
To: MAX                 
Subject: mexican food   
Date & Time: 09/14/90 22:31:47
Message Number  8861

Aaah,you like taco bell too,eh?
Sometimes they put too much lettuce on their stuff,and not enough meat.
The prices are reasonable for what you 
you don't get indegestion there either. 
MMA
I make a good 2-alarm chilli with onions & peppers in it. 
===========

From: MMA                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: breakfast      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 22:38:37
Message Number  8862

Thanks for the restaurant name. I miss a GOOD breakfast (I like bacon!).
When I was working up north at one of my first jobs,I ate at The Paoli
Pancake House.
for about $5.60 you would get 3 pancakes,3 pieces of bacon,coffee (I
got tea instead at no extra cost),and 2 eggs any way you liked them. OJ
was also included. The quality was always really good,and you got your 
meal HOT. 
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Nachos         
Date & Time: 09/14/90 22:44:56
Message Number  8863

No,sorry I can't. If you're ever in the venice area,try the nachos at 
The Crow's Nest. They're the best I've ever tasted.
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: logo 4 JB&b    
Date & Time: 09/14/90 22:53:55
Message Number  8864

No,Society isn't a broken glass tube. What I mean is that society has 
Through action,or inaction has created problems for itself that may be 
too late to do anything to fix it.
A prime example is pollution,water shortages here in Florida,and other 
large-scale problems that exist.
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: ALL                 
Subject: commodore 1670 
Date & Time: 09/14/90 23:01:43
Message Number  8865

Does anybody know how to set the baud to 1200 from hayes commands? 
I just got it today. I have looked through the manual,but didn't see any
thing that would help.
MMA
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: PETER PREFECT       
Subject: @*&%$$#@!      
Date & Time: 09/14/90 23:38:39
Message Number  8866

  Oh Oh.
 
 Don't you think women have been inferiorized enough? Damn, since the 
beginning of time(almost..).
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Chris Grant.   
Date & Time: 09/14/90 23:43:11
Message Number  8867

 
SP>(to Chris) Fuck you.
 
   (to SPecialist) Fuck you.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/14/90 23:44:43
Message Number  8868

  Marines are a bunch of mentally abused psycho dorks that get people
killed....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/15/90 00:29:49
Message Number  8869

I guess I haven't.....which one is your new board? Got an appended list
of about 15 new boards and don't know which is yours....sorry....
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/15/90 01:20:16
Message Number  8870

>Who does he think he is, questioning orders from his Commander in
>Cheif?
 
Does the name "Nuremburg" ring a bell, Son? Do you know how many people
in Nazi Germany did what they did because they were "just following
orders"? Did you learn ANYTHING from your history classes? 
 
Seig Heil!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/15/90 01:22:16
Message Number  8871

>Uuh huh...yep...sure, sure...*yawn*
 
This is your way of saying "No, Turtle, I have no particular reason for
believing the way I do," isn't it?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/15/90 01:26:22
Message Number  8873

USMC: Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (tm).
===========

From: THRUD               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Turbo Pascal   
Date & Time: 09/15/90 05:55:40
Message Number  8874

Of the two languages I've made a real effort to learn - German and
Turbo Pascal - T.P. was easier. 'Twas a lot more logical, and no
one expected me to speak it out loud. On the other hand, being able
to order beer and hit on the frauleins for the  two and a half years
I was defending you guys from communist aggression was also a useful
skill. "Capitolizing"? Is that when you speak from the steps of teh 
Capitol?                      VafTHRUDner
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/15/90 06:03:10
Message Number  8875

I've found the solution! We just happen to have had a baby this week,
and sleep is getting hard to come by. Since my office (sob) is now a 
nursery with a computer in the corner, it's quite easy to take the
kiddo into the nursery, and sternly tell Min -'get some rest hon, I'll
take care of the baby.' Kirsti's first words will probably be 'daddy, 
when are you gonna put a crowbar in your wallet and get a color monitor'
Must be nice to have a modem at work - I still work with Neanderthals
that think it's funny that I go to night school, and take pride in not
reading anything besides the sports page. When I bought my computer, one
guy at work shook his head and said 'damn, you really could have fixed 
up your truck nice if you hadn't wasted it like that.'
oh shit - looks like I just gave the DOS slammers an opening.....
                                 THRUD
===========

From: THRUD               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/15/90 06:13:29
Message Number  8876

Come here with your socks in your hand?
I'm sure he meant to say "Willst du schlaufen mit mein hund, 
ashenbeckergesiet?" Ya act like he doesnt' know what he's sayin'
===========

From: THRUD               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/15/90 06:21:23
Message Number  8877

I really don't understand why the argument about driving competence
rages on - there's been a simple solution for years. In the army I
took a test - simulated drivers seat, red light, green light, gas
pedal, brake peddle, speedometer, steering wheel. When the light was 
green, you accelerated to a given speed. When the light turned red, you
hit the brake (tough, huh) If you didn't react in x amount of time, you
didn't get a license. If a defensible standard of reflex and reaction
times were established, I would give up my license if I could no longer
pass the test. 'Course the ACLU would see this as a facist plot......
                                   THRUD
===========

From: MMA                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: commodore 1670 
Date & Time: 09/15/90 10:50:00
Message Number  8878

Thanks for the info. The RS-232 doesn't have any settings on it. 
BTW,I have managed to learn to use the commands. I am at 1200 baud now.
One thing I have noticed though,is line noise (characters appearing out 
of nowhere on the screen).
 
MMA
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/15/90 13:08:37
Message Number  8879

The Armdaillo Connection...
 
813/378-2218
3/12/2400 Baud
Sarasota, Fl
 
There we go!
===========

From: THRUD               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/15/90 14:09:51
Message Number  8880

You got an honorable discharge hanging on your wall bud? I've got one
on mine, my older brother is a 1st Sgt in the army, currently in 
Saudi Arabia, and my youngest brother is in the Navy in the Med, and
speaking for the three of us, you obviously don't know a damn thing
about being an American fighting man. One of the things that sets our
services above others (I hope) is the ability to think, reason, and see
the morality of given actions. While in a tactical situation, it's only
natural that commands must be obeyed promptly and without question.
However, it is incumbent upon good soldiers (and good Americans - 
-actually, good people) to use their own minds and hearts to determine
what is right and wrong - there are MANY provisions within the Uniform
Code of Military Justice for disobeying an unlawful order. Turtle said
that CG wrote that message prior to deploying overseas. That means he
utilized his right and responsibility to analyse his situation or 
would you rather that we had an army of automatons? I'm sure CG knows
what his dutys and obligations are, and will accomplish same while
people like you cr You've got a lot of opinions on a lot of
subjects that I don't think you think through to the end. I joke with
Turtle about liberalism vs. conservatism, but no thinking man should
allow himself to be so totaly polarized on the issues as you seem to be.
There's a lot of gray area between good and bad. However, if you would
like to join the service and be unthinking cannon fodder, go for it.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:06:29
Message Number  8882

>I've got to see them first.
 
That can be arranged.  Right now the art department at Bull Moose
Productions is working on the design.  We should be running off a 
few test shirts within 10 days, and if all goes well, run off a whole
slew after that.  Regarding RufusCon II, I have no idea.  I thought
Max was looking into the shirts.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:09:48
Message Number  8883

>Without a form of transportation, people cannot get food.
 
Well, Mortons Market delivers (and their prices are not outrageous).
And I'm sure they could find someone to shop for them.  In fact, there
is a lady around town that will do you shopping for you. 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:15:19
Message Number  8884

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT???
 
  ...when your almost over the edge, he'll give you that extra push.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:17:06
Message Number  8885

>I am a pizza freek!
 
I am the egg man, I am the walrus.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: good food      
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:19:24
Message Number  8886

There's a place on the south end of 301 called "The Waffle Shop" (not
to be confused with The Waffle House) that serves mondo amounts of
food for very cheap prices.
 
  ...nothing has shocked me more than the 5 inch thick french toast
I had once.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/15/90 20:28:09
Message Number  8887

>>The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
>
>Now, now.
 
Beep, beep.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/15/90 22:20:10
Message Number  8888

I see.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/15/90 22:21:11
Message Number  8889

Unfortunately, it seems that many batches of McDonald's french fries
are dropped, but it seems wasteful not to serve them anyway - doesn't
it?
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/15/90 22:28:29
Message Number  8890

>>>The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
 
>>Now, now.
 
>Beep, beep.
 
AAAAARGH!  AAAAARGH!
===========

From: WORDSMITH           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Cats           
Date & Time: 09/15/90 23:35:55
Message Number  8891

I've got six or eight cats living in the alley behind my house in 
"mid-town" Sarasota. Should any of you need additional subjects for
this cat-spinning business--please be my guest. They're eating 10 pounds
or more of cat food a week now. 
zq
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 00:19:25
Message Number  8892

>>Beep, beep.
>
>AAAAARGH!  AAAAARGH!
 
No no no, you have that all wrong.  The proper response would be:
zip BANG!
 
  ...sheesh, some people.
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 00:59:57
Message Number  8893

> AAAAARGH!  AAAAARGH!
 
Stressed are we?  What you need is some Dew.  
 
Hi!  This is Ken Ober under my "Furry" handle...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 02:03:55
Message Number  8895

SW> Marines are a bunch of mentally abused dorks that get people 
SW>killed....
  
 Hmm...and I bet they could beat your ass, too.  Pretty bad when
a DORK can beat your ass, eh?  I'd be careful what I said about
Marines when they have a habit of 
 "get(ting) people killed".  You may end up that way from your
comments.  
  
  Would you like to meet a few of my Marine freinds?  I'll 
bring them to the first jam of JB&B...it's a date!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 02:10:28
Message Number  8897

Sigh.  Yup.  Yeah.  Uh-huh.  Sure....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/16/90 02:22:41
Message Number  8900

>Seems wasteful not to serve them anyway - doesn't it?
 
Heheh!  :)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: WORDSMITH           
Subject: Cats           
Date & Time: 09/16/90 02:23:47
Message Number  8901

Wordsmith...now that's a neat handle.
  
I don't believe that I'll need the cats for a while...I have to set 
my lab back up first.  (Don't forget, you need a special environment
to do this in, like a living room or a kitchen.)
===========

From: JOHN WOLAK          
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 09/16/90 07:28:57
Message Number  8903

Yes, use formaldehyde-laden humans!
===========

From: THRUD               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 09:29:12
Message Number  8904

You didn't complain when you were in the service? Seems like that's all
we did some days. Joining the army doesn't make you forfeit any of your
rights and responsibilities as a citizen. Many people scream about their
rights all day long, and never think a thing about payback -
the responsibilties. As I read the message, CG was stating his opinion
AS HE WAS BEING DEPLOYED. That's the way I'd go - head high, shoulders
straight, bitching every inch of the way. If CG refused to go - like the
jarhead corp in Texas (not a Marine slam) - sure, court martial his ass.
But don
But don't condemn a man for voicing an intelligent opinion - I'm not 
saying he's completely right, but he is more qualified, and obligated,
than some of the clowns in the media and on the hill.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/16/90 16:15:14
Message Number  8906

>'Course the ACLU would see this [drivers test] as a facist plot...
 
Probably not. There's nothing in the Constitution guaranteeing /anyone/
a right to drive, so I doubt the ACLU would pay any attention to it.
On the other hand, the AARP would have fifteen kinds of screaming fits
about it. They already oppose mandatory periodical driving tests on the
grounds that the tests are "discriminatory." Why? Because more old
people than young people fail the exam, of course, and that's dis-
crimination! Has nothing to do with the fact that older people really
do lose the faculties necessary to drive, of course...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 09/16/90 16:20:00
Message Number  8907

I don't know if anyone's actually put any effort into getting some
RufusCon II T-shirts made or not. 'Course, it'd be helpful if we could
actually find a /place/ to hold RufusCon II before we worry 'bout T-
shirts... :) Any volunteers?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 16:26:43
Message Number  8908

>Stressed are we? What you need is some Dew.
 
Oh, good. Recommend a beverage loaded to the gills (so to speak) with
sugar and caffeine to someone who's suffering from stress...yeah,
right.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 16:29:25
Message Number  8909

>Orders are orders and they should be followed without question. Get it?
 
You seem to be deviating from the point here. Lawful orders should be
obeyed, but that doesn't mean that the person receiving the order
doesn't have the right to question them. You seem to be equating 
expression of skepticism about American policies with mutiny, and that
isn't the way it works. Last time I looked, there wasn't anything
that says a military man is required to check his brain at the door or
no longer has the right to hold and express political views of his own.
The fact that Chris doesn't agree with American polocies in the Middle
East does not mean that he does not obey orders; nor does it have any
bearing whatever on his merits as a soldier. I think the main problem
you seem to be having stems not from the fact that he isn't a good
soldier but from the fact that he holds an opinion that's different from
your own.
 
BTW, the "seig hiel" is perfectly appropriate in the context of this
discussion. Why did the atrocities of Nazi Germany take place? Because
the Nazi army was overflowing with people who were willing to blindly
follow orders without question--the course of action you seem to find
appropriate for our military, as well, I would also point out that the
orders to exterminate Jews and the like were, in Germany, perfectly
lawful. That doesn't make them /right,/ but they were perfectly lawful.
I don't need to feed you any "liberal bullshit" about what happens
when people behave like sheep--history does that for me.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 17:18:47
Message Number  8911

>Obviously the man [Bush] knows what he is doing...
 
...and is incapable of error? Do you really believe that?
 
>[Chris] enlisted in a peacetime Service and found himself going to
>war...
 
No. Chris was in the Reserves when the situation started. He
/volunteered/ for active duty. He's going to Saudi Arabia on his
own initiative. You have a habit of judging people who disagree with you
based on your own prejudice; it's kind of annoying.
 
>He obeys orders...that's what he gets paid for.
 
And that's what he does. Doesn't mean he can't have reservation about
their wisdom, though. Not the same thing at all.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 19:21:34
Message Number  8912

dang Darn!  I'm sorry.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Dew            
Date & Time: 09/16/90 19:23:12
Message Number  8913

I only drink Dew when I happen to be at Turtle's, which, unfortunately,
doesn't seem to be very often - only when there's a furry party into
which I try to fit or when I just happen to have an extra PDP manual.
Normally, I make do with going over to Raven's and dissolving vivarin
in toxic shock.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 19:27:31
Message Number  8914

USMC - Marines that can't swim.  Under the Surface Marine Corpse.
 
Sorry.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/16/90 19:29:30
Message Number  8915

>>Seems wasteful not to serve them anyway - doesn't it?
 
>Heheh!  :)
 
Heheh... <hack> COFF COFF! BLELCH!
                              ^
                              |
                              -------- proper word, please.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 20:35:40
Message Number  8916

> God has no sex?  What a dull existence, don't you think?
 
Well, maybe gods do, er, ... other things.  The act of creation would be
a sex act of some sort, in some sense.  In that light, perhaps two gods
representing male & female makes a great deal more philosophical sense.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 20:39:54
Message Number  8917

You realize that if nobody ever questioned orders from higher-ups, there
would never have been an America in the first place.  If people HAD
questioned higher-ups, there would not have been a Nazi Germany.
 
If sent over there, Chris will fight.  He just doesn't believe that our
goals in this fight are quite as noble as they're being made out.
 
As to your "fuck you" ... I have not seen your post on	 Uncle Bob's, but
I have had it described to me.  At the most, I attack your arguments.
You have called me an asshole, a pinko liberal faggot, and continually
insult my friends -- you did it through the entire "debate" (quite a
stretch of the word, considering that you repeated the same thing for
six months and refused to listen to ANYTHING that anyone said), and
now, you've just done it again.  Chris is, incidentally, one of the
most conservative people I know, he just doesn't equate it to being
brain-dead.  He also doesn't equate debate to personal attacks bordering
on slander, or just being out-and-out juvenile and nasty.  If you want
to debate on	 subjects, fine.  I respect your opinions even when I don't
agree with them (most of the time, at least), but you show absolutely
no respect for anyone else's point or view, or apparently anyone else,
period.  Quite frankly, you owe several people on	 this board -- and
now, at least one person off of it -- an apology.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 22:53:53
Message Number  8918

>>>>The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
>>>Now, Now.
>>Beep, beep.
>AAAAARGH! AAAAARGH!
 
 Ha, ha.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 22:56:39
Message Number  8919

  They're probably hired straight from the marines to the 'CIA' to
do some dirty work.....(like kill Kennedy?......)
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 22:59:24
Message Number  8920

 So....you think because they have higher rank, they're better human 
beings, and they deserve to order 'lesser' people? HA. If they ever call
on me....I'm finding a canadian road map......I take orders from no 
other human. I'm not a prisoner, I'm a free man.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: slugs          
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:03:00
Message Number  8921

   I have the Centaur Atlas for my computer, and USA's government system
is listed as 'Unknown'......
 
    So, what are we? Democrats? Fascists? ?????
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:06:50
Message Number  8922

  Have you seen those King Arthur commercials for marine recruitment?
 
 
     The marines: We're looking for a few good men....to destroy.
 
I spent a year in Army JROTC and even then I felt dehumanized. I'm
not a soldier to be called to battle to kill and die, I'm a thinker,
I prepare, I would NOT kill like I stated before, and I think anyone 
who believes the crap they're pumped when the US doesn't like someone 
has to be a marine...
   Take WWII, they aired alot or crap about how ruthless, destructive, 
and all around evil the Japanese were, they showed alot of footage and 
said alot, and some of it was false, to make the 'enemy' look like a
demon to be slaughtered. Now, they're showing junk about Hussein, theyX
they are doing the same thing....remember, they're of another religion
and that'll be enough to spur good little christian soldiers into battle
.....
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:14:06
Message Number  8923

  Bush was a perfect VP, but as a president, he sucks wood filings....
We need someone like........ Say,.....Kennedy, Nixon, and Grant combined
(with a little of the naturalness of Carter thrown in.....)Bush is a 
warmonger just like Reagan was, and for the most important individual 
seat in america, that's not the kind of person I'll ever vote for.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:18:22
Message Number  8924

 Of course......
Duotheism...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:26:04
Message Number  8925

T>They sweat a lot and they're about as interesting conversationalists
T>as sea slugs.
  
  Why, you unappreciative snot!  Those same guys are the ones who 
would be defending your ass and keeping your ass safe if this country
was ever attacked!  And you spew condescending bullshit about them!
Man, you don't deserve to even talk about them...much less talk to 
them.  
    You really piss me off.  You really have some nerve.  I wish that 
there still was a draft...your ass would learn to appreciate what
they go through to for the PRIVILEDGE to SERVE thier country.  And for
what?  Some friggin
what?  So some college boy could sit back and call them stupid?  Man,
you really have to come down off your high horse.  Those guys are out
there fighting for YOU.  
  "Well, I didn't ask them to."
  That would be about the most selfish reply you could give.  And it
would be typical, too.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:34:29
Message Number  8926

Bush is well informed.  I would say that an error was unlikely.
I have been reading Chris's posts...the man is extremly cynical and
totally practical.  It makes me wonder why he volunteered if he has
so much to grouse about...
 
  And you have a habit of belittling people who disagree with you...
who is more wrong?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:37:39
Message Number  8927

D> USMC - Marines that can't swim.  Under the Surface Marine Corpse.
D?
D> Sorry.
 
  About what?  Turtle's remark was pure contempt and disdain.  Yours
seems to be in a joking manner...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:41:07
Message Number  8928

It seems to me that I do...(owe several people an apology).  But it 
also seems to me that blatant disrespect for the military deserves an
apology.  "Pinko-faggot"?  "Asshole"?  The terms are descriptive. 
Quite simply, if the shoe fits, wear it.
  
  As for questioning orders from superiors, fine for civilians.  It has
no place in the military. Nuernburg...not relevant.  The situation in
Nuerenburg cannot paralell current military, because current military 
are told and trained not to be "automotons" and not to accept orders
which are not lawful.  Todays military are intelligent thinkers, not
blind followers. They know the differnce between right and wrong.
 
  As for Chris Grant, my initial reaction to his imported message
was knee-jerk (which would better be described as simply jerk), I'll
admit.  And I have posted to him. (On Armadillo Connection.)  I don't
know if he'll get the message in time, but I did post.
  
  Debate...no, not a debate.  But when spoken to in a belittling manner,
I get very defensive, illogical, and downright rude.  
  Take it at face value...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:50:39
Message Number  8929

SPW> They're probably hired straight fromt he marines to the 'CIA' to
SPW>do some dirty work......(like kill Kennedy?.......)
  
Hmmm.  Maybe.  But if they HAD hired a marine to kill Kennedy, you never
would have known it...he would have been dead, and no one to know who
did it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:52:58
Message Number  8930

SPW> So...you think because they have higher rank, they're better 
SPW>human being,
  No, got nothing to do with it.  You don't respect the human, you 
respect the rank.  I've known some higher rankers that I hated thier
guts...but I did what they said and didn't question their orders.
SPW>and they deserve to order 'lesser' people?
  No, lesser ranks.
SPW>HA.  If they ever call on me....I'm finding a canadian road map....
  Good.  Go now.  Don't come back.  You don't deserve the rights of an
American if you won't take up the responsibilities of an American.
SPW> I won't take orders from an other human.  I'm not a prisoner, I'm
SPW>a free man.  
  
 If there weren't people out there "taking orders" you wouldn't be a 
free man for long....  Put that in your hippie pipe and smoke it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/16/90 23:59:21
Message Number  8931

Pathetic.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 00:00:57
Message Number  8932

Kennedy was a joke.  Nixon was a crook.  Why do you like Grant? And
Carter was a wimp.
===========

From: MMA                 
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: armed services 
Date & Time: 09/17/90 02:20:50
Message Number  8934

We're looking for a few good men.
The two we had just quit.
 
MMA
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/17/90 04:01:10
Message Number  8935

>"Well, I didn't ask them to."
That would be the least typical reply to come from him...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 04:05:53
Message Number  8936

Kennedy was an inspiration, Nixon was a genious(NOT a crook), and if
you can't figure out why Grant's on the list, look him up. Carter had
a certain 'knowledge' of america.....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:10:24
Message Number  8937

I know a guy here at work that has a ton of software stacked up in his
house and keeps getting more all the time. Has the most expensive HP
calculators available and talks computer all day at work....but he has
never bought one for home..."Don't have the money". But then he'll turn
around and blow $1000 on a new gun and $500 black chroming old gun parts
and then whine about not having a 'puter. Not being into guns (at ALL)
I just don't get the idea of a house full of guns (with little kids) and
that rather then a 'puter.....twisted minds???? Mine or his????
  
Oh yeah, you grow imune to DOS-slamming after a few years....<grin>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:14:48
Message Number  8938

>Armdaillo   ????
  
I hope that's the same as The Armadillo Connection I've already got
listed in auto-dial......I figured that was yous but wasn't sure...
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: 1200 problems  
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:17:53
Message Number  8939

Just want to butt in here with a modem problem. I've a friend with a 
Tandy PC comp. and a Tandy 1200 modem, he was on Jo's for a long time
(I think Steve runs on a US Modem top of the line stuff), and when they
put there new modem on line, some of the games sections would just give
him garabage and lock him up. I never saw it happen, but the other day
I dialed them up from work (Racal Vadic 1200 modem) and when I went in t
to the game area that he would lock up in, it did it to me. Sends a line
of trash across the top of the screen and then locks you up tight!! Jo's
says its not their end, but the modems work on all other boards and in
most of theirs...any ideas on what gives????...thanx, SNAKEBYTE .  .
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:22:32
Message Number  8940

Our company was recently purchased by a German corporation and our 
Management decided it would be nice if some of us learned the language
of our mother company, so they provided us with (practically) free 
German courses on site. I took it (being from German decent, I always
wanted to), and found it quite interesting. It was rough, especially
with some of the people that were in the class...but it was nice to
know about bier and wein for when necessary....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:31:29
Message Number  8941

Hey Thrud ol' buddy, you stated that good soldiers use their minds and
their hearts to determine what is right and wrong....just curious here,
but with all the stuff out (ie movies like Casualties of War), what can
a "good" soldier do if what he feels is right goes against what he has
been "ordered" to do???
   
a curiousssssssss SNAKEBYTE (:
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Shirt          
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:35:31
Message Number  8942

You any connections with a good screen print shop? I do side line 
logo and shirt designs (camera ready artwork) and the screen shop I
used to deal with just folded up a few months ago. Let me know....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: WORDSMITH           
Subject: Cats           
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:38:43
Message Number  8943

I hear cats really dig a sip of antifreeze after a good meal....<grin>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 12:47:12
Message Number  8944

>I take orders from no other human....
  
What do you tell that cop when he tells you to turn left and you want to
turn right?  Or that jugde that sentences you to 5 years for running
over those bystanders beside that accident? Or the 350lb axe murderer
who's "ordering" you to bend over during exercise break in prison? Or 
that doctor "ordering" you to drop your drawers and cough. Be free....??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 19:52:34
Message Number  8945

> Beep, beep.
 
 Beep beep, mm, beep beep, yeah!
 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 09/17/90 19:53:43
Message Number  8946

> I am the egg man, I am the walrus.
 
  Goo goo goo joob
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 19:55:05
Message Number  8947

>> Now, now.
> Beep, beep.
>> AAAAARGH!  AAAAARGH!
 
  spit spit
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 19:56:31
Message Number  8948

> zip BANG!
>   ...sheesh, some people.
 
  Or, in Zot Gnop's case:
 
 [stand up in theatre] BANG!!!!!!!!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:00:08
Message Number  8949

> Too fucking bad!  Been living in a peacetime environment, sponding off
> Uncle Sam, now go and earn your living!
 
  Oh, and what are YOU doing?? And we haven't go to war yet, and we may 
not, you know.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:02:46
Message Number  8950

> yeah, right.
 
  "Surrender to the Dew side of the Force!"
 
  I want one of those (you know what I mean)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:09:26
Message Number  8951

> warmonger just like Reagan...
 
  Well, I don't really see how that is really important. So far, I 
haven't heard or seen much to say he's majorly screwing up in the Kuwait
situation...  give him some time. I on't think he's that bad a President
(at least nothing really bad has happened yet)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:13:58
Message Number  8952

> disrespect for the military... appology...
 
  If you show disrespect for the military, there is not neccesarily a 
need to appologize. I agree that spewing off bad comments about those 
who fight our battles is kind of rude, but if people have a) a valid 
point (usually) and b) a right to say what they wan, then no appology is
needed...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:20:04
Message Number  8953

>>>> Now, now.
>>> Beep, beep.
>> AAAAARGH!  AAAAARGH!
> spit spit
 
  Wow, we just feel really intelectually stimulated today, eh?
 
  (I don't want any complaints, I'm in there too, ya know!)
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:26:34
Message Number  8954

  No, that's Ken's new BBS, set in a spanish fort.....
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:28:51
Message Number  8955

I take orders from a couple humans, and I don't drive, I'm against too
many cars on the road....already too many cars...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: friends        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 20:50:51
Message Number  8956

T>I'll stop ranting now before I REALLY get going.  
 
I have to agree with absolutely everything that you said.  I have 
personally been the victim of two "marriages" in which the females 
involved demonstrated nearly every point that you brought up.  My first
was absolutely convinced that I was having an affair with a fellow
airman(woman) in the service and filed for divorce when I was overseas.
I discovered when I returned that she had become quite the party animal 
while I was away and had several affairs.  While I was of sufficient
committment to try further - she was not.  The second acted as though
as soon as the vows were spoken I was personal property and accorded the
same rights as the pet cat - less actually.  The one thing I asked for
my own sanity was a 30 minute wakeup with a cup of coffee and silence.
Could I have just this brief respite from the bustle of the day?  Hell
no!  She started nagging from the word go about what all *I* had to do
that day which usually involved doing 75% of her chores in addition to 
my 14 credit college schedule and working a full 12 hour day. And, yes
in theory the chores were split and I helped with groceries, laundry etc
In a nutshell, now I play by fisherman's rules.  I catch 'em and if 
they aren't worth the effort, I throw 'em back in the hope that someday
they'll grow up and be a fine catch for some lucky fisherman.
 
                         A single, sensible JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: friends        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:02:25
Message Number  8957

T>In a society where sex outside of wedlock is more common than sex 
T> within wedlock, ...
 
Now /there/ is a truth that most men I know can relate to!
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: dog house?     
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:09:08
Message Number  8958

R>JonBoy, I'd jump on Turtle's shell about him copying  that show 
** POUNCE **  Ok Turtle - cough it up bud or we rehearse at yer
place next!!  Heh heh heh...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:12:59
Message Number  8959

TS: It's up to JonBoy...he is de facto the leader of the band.
 
I prefer Ipso to De Facto by a large margin.  Consumer Reports is
in total agreement...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:15:02
Message Number  8960

YNG>I volunteer to be the designated drinker...
TS > Wow.  Y'know, I don't believe that we have filled that position yet
 
We'll have to sit down for an on hand demo of capability seeing how
 it's such an important position.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THRUD               
Subject: dog house?     
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:20:57
Message Number  8961

T>Sounds like Yngling's designated drinker table might be more fun 
 
Wrong Bucko!  *We* can visit the table and enjoy making fools of
ourselves on stage in two easy moves!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:38:26
Message Number  8962

YNG>some good natured flirting 
 
Seems that this is a very common thing.  My best friend has a "hot"
post going with a frustrated housewife in San Antonio who is originally
from here and calls for "old time sakes".  I think that we can be more
of who we would like to be over the modem because lacking eye contact,
you can be a bit more brash and daring.  Now if I could get Black
Magic to go out to dinner... :)
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Turbo Pascal   
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:42:55
Message Number  8963

TS>I HaveNot quite got the Format down yet...apitolizing in the MidDle 
TS> of a   word...
 
Actually that particular programming style was started by Modula 2
programmers.  Pascal was originally (stil is?) case-INsensitive.  Modula
is case sensitive and thus some way to delineate long identifiers was
needed.  It is a proven fact that long words that are all upper or lower
case cause erroneous readings with humans.  The Upper case letters break
up the monotony.  I use this style exclusively now with my C programs
instead of the infinitely ugly and error prone underscores.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:49:48
Message Number  8964

>>> in der hande, bitte.
 
Not to mention "in THE hand????"
Fraulein, kommen sie hier mit der hosen im ihrer hande, bitte?
(at least she's carrying HER socks!)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/17/90 21:52:32
Message Number  8965

TS> Slang. .. "Hosen"= undergarments.
 
I never heard that.  It is used to refer to certain undergarments (
to be distinguished between actual underwear)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 22:04:11
Message Number  8966

CPU>God has neither gender -- 
 
Actually, several of the OT names of God contain both male and female
gender components.  I know of more than one Jew who were not knowledgabl
enough in their faith and thought these were "translation errors".
Trick is - what do we make of this (if anything).  The Mormons believe
that God has a wife and bears Him spiritual children who must be born
into a mortal body to progress.  (of course I endorse this theory with
my M.B. stamp)
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/17/90 22:08:12
Message Number  8967

R>What will the fries be judged on?   
 
Let's get a panel of Judges!  I put forth the very tasty and absolutely
wonderful curly fries from the DogHouse...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: ballads        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 22:13:15
Message Number  8968

A>My stuff tends to blues and ballads.  
 
I loke it - I play mostly blues and ballads and have a few tunes that
need prodding here and there and some words to flesh 'em out.  Are
you interested?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/17/90 22:15:30
Message Number  8969

SW>I'll restrain myself from 20 full page posts on how much bullshit 
SW> Judeo/Christianity is......  
 
Thank you.  That horse (sorry Chip) was beat long ago.  Actually - 
hell no I'm not sory Chip - YOU started this mess again di'nt ya!
Let's stick to french fry fanaticism for now...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/17/90 22:41:24
Message Number  8970

THRUD> I still work with Neanderthals ...reading anything besides 
THRUD> the sports page. 
 
I think me & you need to have a few pitchers.  I used to cringe when
doing my homework because the millwrights would ask me what I was doing.
If I tell 'em then I'm a smartass.  If I try to water it down then I'm
talking down to them.  If I tell them it's boringh and they don't really
wanna know then I think they are too stupid to understand.  I got sick 
to death of their childishness.  Finally one day My Favorite Moron
(not to be confused with My Favorite Martian [he's sentient]) comes
up and says "is that all you do is read books?"  I looked at him and
said "That's because they don't scare me!".  Needless to say the die
was cast...
                     A trying to edumacated JonBoy
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 23:34:29
Message Number  8971

Good.  Then go to Canada.  See if I care.
 
May your penis be mistaken for one of the Banana tribe.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/17/90 23:36:47
Message Number  8972

Nixon was a genius (Not a crook), and I suppose so are you.
 
How do you spell wind?  F L A T U L E N C E .
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: ALL                 
Subject: Advertisement  
Date & Time: 09/17/90 23:39:30
Message Number  8973

Ever troubled by clogged bodily passageways?  Ever wish that you could
breathe through your nose or go to the bathroom in under twenty minutes?
Are you arfaid that your attempts are in vain?  Well not to worry - now
there's Alka-Seltzer Nasal Pellets for your sinus needs.  Just pop two
tablets, drink some milk real fast, and feel them go to work right at 
the source of the problem.  Also, for your constipation needs, try the
Teledyne Suppository Pic.  It forces the issue, so you don't have to.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:25:42
Message Number  8974

>I take orders from no other human.
 
You pay taxes? Pull over for flashing blue lights? If you don't obey
/anything/ except your own whims, society falls apart.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:29:50
Message Number  8975

>...you liberal pinko faggot...
=========
>...you unappreciative snot! ... You really piss me off.
 
And you, sir, really piss me off. Whatever evils you may consider me
guilty of, I do not wander around bulletin boards calling you an
"asshole," a "faggot," a "snot," and similar juvenile epithets. I
generally make it a point to attack the /idea/ rather than the /person/
who states it; you, Sir, do not. These ad hominems will cease on my
bulletin board, NOW. Name-calling is out of line. Period.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:35:26
Message Number  8976

>"Pinko-faggot?" "Asshole?" The terms are descriptive.
 
The terms are ad hominem, and are most certainly not descriptive.
You applied the term "faggot" to myself and Watts; neither of us is
gay; therefore, you are simply wrong.
 
>If the shoe fits...
 
...hit someone with it? I will assume that Black Magic thought the
shoe fit /you/ fairly well when she called you an asshole; it was
out of line when she did it, and it's out of line now.
 
Kindly can the personal abuse. Now. I mean it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:39:32
Message Number  8977

>You don't deserve the rights of an American if you won't take up the
>responsibilities of an American.
 
That much, at least, we agree on.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: 1200 problems  
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:42:03
Message Number  8978

If the problem's only happening on Jos' board, it has to be a problem
on his end. If he just installed an HST modem, that might be part of
the problem; those things are notorious for having all sorts of bizzare
problems with almost every non-HST modem in existance. Have Steve
Joselson try sending an AT&M command to his HST (it disables all the
HST's proprietary weirdness) and then try things out; see if that
helps.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Dew            
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:46:13
Message Number  8979

>I want one of those (you know what I mean)
 
The one we have now is slated for special delivery to Amelia Hudson
(of Hotline fame) in retribution for a crack she made about Mountain
Dew being absolutley ghastly or some such nonsense, but if you'd like
I'm sure we can arrange to have a strange man in a trenchcoat show up
on your doorstep and give you one too...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: friends        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:50:13
Message Number  8980

Funny you should mention being accorded the same rights as a housecat;
friend of mine was married for a grand total of two weeks. She had a
fairly large circle of friends, about half of whom were male (which her
boyfriend-to-be-husband was well aware of for quite a while); the day
they were married he turned to her and said "Okay, now that we're
married I'd better not see those guys talking to you any more." She
filed for a divorce the same day...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog house?     
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:52:32
Message Number  8981

(plonk!) (Stand up, dust off shell) Actually, I did make an effort to
copy the tapes tonight, no kidding. Went up to the media lab;
immediately noticed that (a) there was a brand-new Amiga 2000 with a
very snazzy genlock in the video editing booth and (b) it wasn't
connected to anything; the rest of the editing/duplication equipment
was AWOL. I was rather annoyed. Anyway, I'll make the attempt again at
the end of the week when all the stuff should (gods be willing) be back.
If it isn't, I guess it'll be up to Tyler & Rufus to do the old patch-
two-VCR's-together-and-Devil-take-the-chroma-signal thing.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:56:36
Message Number  8982

>Now if I could get Black Magic to go out to dinner... :)
 
Careful; her boyfriend's in town (smirk).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 01:59:39
Message Number  8983

>Nixon was a genius (Not a crook)...
 
No, Nixon was a /genious/. It's Latin for "small, striped furry mammal
that runs very fast."
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: The Band (JB&B)
Date & Time: 09/18/90 10:09:34
Message Number  8984

How many fortnights baud rate does he run?.......<grin>
I can handle about 2400 bits per fortnight......
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 10:11:23
Message Number  8985

My wife, my departmental director, my supervisor, my kids, my parents, 
the cops, the IRS, my mortgage company, Peace River electric co-op, 
D.O.T., my doctor(s), my lawyer, Paragon cable, Barb's Video, 
Comp-U-Serve, the homeowners association (deed restrictions...yuck),
Manatee County Animal Control, Roy Leap and Turtle.....yup, that's some
of who I take orders from (maybe not in that order).   Free???, not me
<sigh>.....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: 1200 problems  
Date & Time: 09/18/90 10:17:06
Message Number  8986

I'll give it a shot...he has been checking in to it on his end for
a couple weeks now, I need to check with him and see if maybe he has
found it yet...thanx
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 12:46:34
Message Number  8987

The "face value" of attacking people rather than their arguments is to
make you look like a schmuck, no two ways about it.  I honestly think
you need to get off Turtle's case; when he disagrees with somebody, he
tells them in a direct, blunt (and often tactless) way.  That does not
make him an "asshole" or a "Pinko-faggot" and you know it.  Especially
the last one.  Believing in the first amendment rights of ALL Americans,
including the ones in the military, and occasionally being cynical
about the government and its motivations, does not make one a communist
sympathizer ("pinko") and it certainly has no bearing on one's sexual
orientation ("faggot").  If disagreeing with someone makes you an
"asshole," so be it, but it's a specious claim and one that makes the
name-caller look a lot worse than the, er, name-callee.
 
And you hit what Turtle has been trying to say when you said, "Todays
military are intelligent people, not blind followers.  They know the
difference between right and wrong."  EXACTLY.  Someone in the military
should be intelligent enough to question authority.  Not doing that
DOES lead to situations like Nazi Germany.  (I disagree with your
contention that the two are not related.  Does that make me an asshole?)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 12:51:28
Message Number  8988

> If they HAD hired a marine to kill Kennedy, you never would have
> known it...he would have been dead, and no one to know who did it.
 
If they tried to hire ANY military person, he should have immediately
reported it to the highest-up person he could get to, either in the
military if the "employer" was civilian or in the civil government if
the "employer" was another soldier.
 
Marines are also not trained as assassins.  A battle situation is not
the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.  A Special Forces
trained soldier, possibly, but the paragraph above still applies.
 
Incidentally, if today's military people are bright enough to question
illegal orders, they should be bright enough not to quibble about which
branch of the armed services is the most gung-ho.... :>
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 12:56:08
Message Number  8989

Nixon was a genius AND a crook.  The two are not mutually exclusive.
   Also, he was really only a "genius" at international relations.  As
for Carter having a certain "knowledge" of America, so does Charles
Kuralt.  What's your point?  Kennedy was inspiring, yes, but so is
Jesse Jackson -- that doesn't qualify him as a good leader.  A lot of
analysts don't think Kennedy was any great shakes, although it looked
like he was actually getting a great deal better (which could, in some
way, be responsible for getting him killed -- a disquieting thought).
===========

From: ODEN                
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 15:17:02
Message Number  8991

>>>>>The author, author is Turtle, Turtle.
>>>>Now, Now.
>>>Beep, beep.
>>AAAAAARGH! AAAAAARGH!
>Ha, ha.
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.... uh, does this mean that I said this first? 
 and.... its Beep-beep Zip BANG.... get it straight. ha!
===========

From: ODEN                
To: KNOWING PEOPLES     
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/18/90 15:39:35
Message Number  8992

Ok... My older brother works at Radio Dump, and (for about a week so far
) and now he thhinks that the Tandy 2500 XL is like sooooooo much better
than anyother computer we chould get. The catch is that he gets a
discount. instead of $2598 it'd be $1380 ..... it comes with a 286 CPU 
and a VGM Monitor and a 52MB HD and 1 meg of ram. The reason I ask you
people on here is because I expect all of you to give me all the exact 
reasons... (If I asked on my BBS, they would just reply that Amiga is 
better, and Tandy sucks... so there.... and thats not what I'm looking f
for) can you help?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:21:47
Message Number  8993

B>And what are you doing??  And we haven't go[ne] to war yet, and we
B>may not, you know.
  
 I'm waiting to get called back!  And I'd go, too!  And I"M not sponging
off of Uncle Sam...I am finished doing that.
  Besides, after reading some more of the man's messages, I can see that
my initial reaction was knee-jerk (better described simply as jerk)...
"Sponging" may have been a harsh term...but I've seen guys who do do
that..."PROFILE"!  Happy as hell to get thier paycheck but when it comes
time to do some WORK...well, I can't do that, I have a MEDICAL PROFILE 
SLIP.  Or, I'M GONNA GO ON LEAVE DURING THAT FIELD EXERCISE.  I hate 
that kind of "soldier" (and I use the term loosely).  Obviously, CG is
not that kind of soldier...if what I have heard is true.
  But it burns me that he questions proper orders.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:27:58
Message Number  8994

In that case, I have a right to say what I wan[t].  And a valid point
is determined by the individual, too.  So...natch!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Wives/Girlfrens
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:30:07
Message Number  8995

[I know how to spell...but I ran out of room on the subject line...]
 
Hear hear hear!  Bravo, bravo, bravo.  Author, author, author!
 
The Author, Author, Author is JonBoy, JonBoy, JonBoy.
Now, now, now.
Beep Beep Beep.
ARRGH ARRGH ARRGH
Spit, Spit, Spit...
  
  
  
(Did I miss any?)
:)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ipso/de Facto  
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:33:13
Message Number  8996

Yes, but nine out of ten dentists recommend defacto.  (and the 
tenth just sits there...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:35:55
Message Number  8997

TS> Slang..."hosen"= undergarments
JB>..never heard that...is it [for] certain undergarments...?
 
I dunno.  But I *do* know that it got a buddy of mine slapped and 
laid more often that he could count...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:54:17
Message Number  8999

Ok, IMOBO (in my own biased opinon) OWIHM (I'll let you all figure that
out), the Marines are the best service.  This from an Army guy. 
(Ex-Army).  
  What do you mean that Marines are not trained as assassins?  Ever
heard of Search and Destroy? Or Snipers?
  And good point...if a Soldier offered a job to off the prez, they 
probably would report it. Unless they were Ex with an attitude.  An
a highly trained Ex-Sniper with an attitude would make a great 
assassin, don't you think?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Kennedy        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 16:58:08
Message Number  9000

Yes, I have heard all the stories about JFK's killing were a plot...
(er, said that wrong) Not the stories, but the killing was a plot...
  Wasn't Harvey an Ex-Marine?  Or whatever his name was?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/18/90 17:00:19
Message Number  9001

  What speed is the system.  What dot pitch is the monitor.  What
type of monitor is it (chassis).  What interface is the drive.  What
is the transfer rate of the drive.  What interleave.  What speed RAM.
How many ports included.  What degree of compatibility with IBM.  How
much are upgrades (memory, another port, modem, another hardrive).  
What kind of warranty.  How easy is it to get serviced.  Who do you
call for software or hardware support? 
  
  Is it really worth it?  I doubt it.  
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 19:28:50
Message Number  9003

You don't believe in either, do you?  I missed out on how this debate 
got started AGAIN, but it seems we went this route about a month ago.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: humor?         
Date & Time: 09/18/90 19:40:59
Message Number  9004

Your comments usually make my day!! Bravo!
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 19:43:18
Message Number  9005

"ALL"?  Excuse me, but could you correct and exclude us that are 
certainly NOT (I'm shouting!) pinko liberal fags!??!?? 
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 19:53:23
Message Number  9006

Turtle, Can you tell me how to quote from an existing message?  Do I
just retype what I'm responding to or is there an "automatic" way to do 
it?  Since a lot of my responses are "one-liners", I sometimes wonder if
the person I'm responding to knows what I'm referring to!?!  Thanks for
any help you can give me.
===========

From: DIONYSUS            
To: ODEN                
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 20:15:02
Message Number  9007

Thathathathathathathathathathatha that's all, folks.
===========

From: JOHN WOLAK          
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/18/90 21:18:22
Message Number  9008

Well, I have a Commodore 128 and an IBM XT and I use the Coomodore for
most of the things I do with my computers. Now, this may change, due
to the fact that I just got the IBM about a week ago and I'm still 
trying to find my way around MS-DOS.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/18/90 22:31:48
Message Number  9009

BL>...seems we went this route about a month ago...
 
Yes, you are right.  But CPU brought it up again...doens't matter,
I just threw that out for a clay pigeon.
  I think you & I got it straightened out between ourselves...we're
good on that subject.  
  Say, where ya been?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 22:34:19
Message Number  9010

BL>"ALL"?  Excuse me, but could you correct and exclude us that are
BL>certainly NOT (I'm shouting!) piko liberal fags!??!??
 
Aplolgies to anyone that term did not refer to.  I hereby exclude 
Big Lew from that stupid post that I made.  
  
  
I wonder if I could go back and delete it?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 23:08:27
Message Number  9011

You attack the idea instead of the person, eh?  So, if I refrain from
direct attacks like "asshole" or "liberal pinko faggot-lover" then I 
can use snide remarks instead with words like "wander" right?
("I do not wander around bulletin boards..." which would imply that
I'm lost and don't know what I'm doing; generally incapable of any 
intelligent actions...)
  Or I could use other indirectly belittling remarks like "you poor
unfortunate individual, if you really believe that" (which would imply
that the person in question really knows nothing, since he believes 
what is *obviously* wrong.).
  Or how about "the word you are so desperately seeking" [implied "you
illiterate moron"] "is..."  Now, there's a winner.  Well, everybody, 
make sure that you all know THIS guy doesn't even know the simplest 
of words!  Hah!  And he had the nerve to debate with me!
  No, you are right...you do refrain from direct attacks.  But your
indirect attacks are still pretty bad.
  
  If it's any comfort, I went back and deleted all the stupid posts
I put up.  (Stupid, unjustifiably rude, directed obscene attacks,
ect...).  I didn't delete the spew about "what an ingrateful snot",
(I don't remember now, I might have) but attacking the Marine Corps 
was totally uncalled for.  (Ok, so were mine...no excuse.)  And that
message was true.  I can't believe that you don't appreciate them. I 
can't believe that you put them down.  They "amuse" you?  (Shakes
head) Those same guys...defend this country.  And you don't appreciate
that.  It's just *so* *hard* to believe.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 23:28:30
Message Number  9012

M>[I think you need to get off of Turtles case, when he disagrees
M>he usually tells them in a blunt (and often tactless]
  
 Yes, so do I...'cept I add rude, personal, nasty and offensive.
Turtle occasionally is belittling in his "blunt and tactless" way.
 
  I compensate by turning into an asshole and acting like one, usually
calling him inaccurate (to say the LEAST!) "juvenile epithets". 
 
  You are right...that doesn't make him a pinko-faggot lover or an
asshole (those words!  ooh!)...but he sure seemed like one at the time!
Seemed like he brought in CG's commentary for the simple purpose of 
saying "See, everyone in the military doesn't think we should be there,
and I'm sure that CG's opinion is more prevalent in the military than 
yours, Specialist.  Isn't it neat how his opinion happens to be the
same as mine?"  And that opinion is *not* more common!  It can't be, 
because everyone in the military has been WAITING for a war!  They 
train and train and train just for this eventuality!
   At least most of the guys that I know want to be there...to "fight
for thier country" (if you'll pardon the time honored cliche') and WIN!
  Any way, it seemed it was what he was doing, and I took the message 
out of context, and lost it...Jerk reaction.  But, damn, that pissed me
off!  Of course, since then, I've read more of his messages...he's 
quite an enigma, this CG!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/18/90 23:42:41
Message Number  9013

M>Incidentally, if today's military people are bright enough...they
M>should be bright enough not to quibble about which branch of the 
M>armed services is the most gung-ho.
  
True...but they do anyway.  The Air Force for the most part pretends 
not to care, offering thier own watered-down version of special 
services (I mean Special Services) who (ooh!) "went to Army Special
Forces school".  Woopie.  The Navy offers thier Seals, and the Army
offers Airborne Forces & Special Forces.  The Marines are one big 
bunch of Bad Asses (if you ask any Marine) because they have the 
toughest training.  
  So, (with the exception of the Air Force, like I said) each service
is convinced that it has the best soldiers....  Personally (like I've 
said) I think the Marines *are* the baddest, followed by Army Airborne
Special Forces, followed by Seals, and then...Air Force Special Forces.
  Course, if I was in combat, I'd prefer to have ANY of them protecting
MY site.  (Well, except maybe for Air Force...they have a rep for being
soft.)
  
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: ballads        
Date & Time: 09/19/90 00:52:45
Message Number  9014

>have a few tunes that need prodding ... are you interested?
 
Always interested in hearing a good tune.  Play it again, Jonboy.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Orders, orders 
Date & Time: 09/19/90 01:48:58
Message Number  9016

>...and Tuirtle...
 
Yikes! How'd I make it into that list???
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/19/90 01:51:57
Message Number  9017

A 286-based machine with VGA and a 52MB HD for $1300 is a pretty damn
good buy, even if it does run Mush. It's not exactly top on my list,
but you can certainly do worse than Tandy machines, and that price is a
real big plus. If it were me, of course, I'd likely spend the money on
some other computer (most likely an Amiga or something obscure like a
PC-Z), but you aren't going to find a machine with a decent hard
drive in that price range for that much money. If it's worth it to you
to have a lot of mass storage (and a wide base of programs), I'd say
go for it. If the hard drive and program base isn't that important,
go with an Amiga 500 (and possibly a smaller HD).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Not Previous   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 01:57:56
Message Number  9018

>An a highly-trained Ex-Sniper with an attitude would make a great
>assassin, don't you think?
 
Unfortunately, yes. Lee Harvey Oswald was an ex-Marine, in fact;
dishonorable discharge.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/19/90 01:59:52
Message Number  9019

Tandy machines are easily serviced, widely supported, and 100%
IBM compatible. They're not cheap Taiwanese clones; they are, in fact,
generally considered to be about the best PC-architecture machines
on the market, at least for the home market (Tandy doesn't make
anything along the lines of the Compaq Systempro). All things considered
I'd say a Tandy machine is probably worth the money, at least as far as
any IBM compatible is...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 09/19/90 02:03:44
Message Number  9020

PBBS doesn't have any built-in provision for quoting, so it's kind of
up to your terminal program. If you have a scrollback buffer with
an automatic quoting feature, you're set. If you have a scrollback
buffer WITHOUT a quoting feature, you just type in by hand whatever
you want to quote. If you don't have a scrollback buffer, well, just
trust to memory and type in whatever you remember of what you want to
quote.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 02:08:09
Message Number  9021

Whoa! Dude! Calm down! I didn't really import Chris' message for the
sole purpose of inciting you to flame; for that matter, I didn't even
import it to suggest that everyone (or most people (or for that matter
ANYONE other than Chris)) holds all these ideals to be true. I imported
it because I think the message raised some pretty damn good points in an
interesting (and very literate) way, and I wanted to see if anyone had
any reaction to the /ideas/ he expressed. Of course, to date nobody's
said word one about the CONTENT of that message; sure, there's a lot of
flaming going on as to whether or not Chris has the right to express
any opinion that isn't his commanding officer's, but not word one
about whether or not there might be some valid reasons for the United
States to stay OUT of the Middle East.
 
All in all, I must confess to a certain amount of disappointment at
the course of events leading from that import.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 04:15:17
Message Number  9023

   As I've said on every BBS that brings up this subject, it's very 
doubtful he even wanted to attack Saudi Arabia. I think his attack's 
sole purpose of attacking and recapturing Kuwait.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: I'm Back!      
Date & Time: 09/19/90 13:41:06
Message Number  9024

You're right - course you know I wanted to jump in on it, but thought,
naw, borrrrrrrring!!  Thanks for noticing I wasn't around.  I went up 
north to check on my sis (remember the "crisis" I was dealing with a 
couple of weeks ago?)  But, I'm back and so glad to be!  I had with-
drawals from lack of "conversation" with you and the others.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 13:45:13
Message Number  9025

Unnecessary apology accepted, of course.  I was just sensitive that day.
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: ALL                 
Subject: hammertime!    
Date & Time: 09/19/90 13:53:07
Message Number  9026

I do not have any ideas on why the US should stay out of Saudi Arabia;
however, I do believe it is time for us to retaliate and UNDO Hussein's
position in Kuwait.  As bad as this may sound, the main issue is not the
rescue of hostages, but to bring into force the international community 
against a "man" who could alter the map by violent means.  The best way
to stop this bully is an international mobilization against him.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/19/90 15:39:17
Message Number  9028

>Why do you believe God has any sex whatsoever?
I'd like to /think/ he gets some at least once in a while.  I mean he IS
God.  It'd be a real bitch if even God can't get laid........
                               The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Dog House      
Date & Time: 09/19/90 15:44:24
Message Number  9029

>...I really would like to see this band ge together and play...
And as the Designated Drinker I REALLY would like to perform the duties
of my office ASAP.
                                   The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 15:49:21
Message Number  9030

Which branch of the military has Chris Grant made a career out of?  From
his ramblings he sounds like an Air Farce puke, but then again he could 
be a squid...but I'm willing to bet its the Air Farce.  Am I right?  I'd
like to know before I comment on his babblings.
                                  The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/19/90 15:53:34
Message Number  9031

>A cat will blink when struck with a hammer
Howinthehell do you know?!?
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: hammertime!    
Date & Time: 09/19/90 17:15:24
Message Number  9033

  You mean 're-alter the map....'
                          
    How do you think we'll be looked at if we went in there by countries
like China.... (Have we heard anything from them yet?)   
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Previous   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 23:09:49
Message Number  9034

TS> Highly trained...make a great assassin...
T>Yes, Harvey Oswald...dishonorable...
  
Ah, I thought as much!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: I'm Back!      
Date & Time: 09/19/90 23:12:58
Message Number  9035

Yes, it's always nice to be missed...I *wondered* where you'd been.
 
By the way, was that a play on words?  "Cri-sis"?  
I hope everything worked out okay for you & sis...I was rootin' for
ya!
  
BL>I had witdrawals from lack of "conversation" wit you and the others.
  
Oh, you are SUCH a flatterer!
  
:)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: hammertime!    
Date & Time: 09/19/90 23:15:33
Message Number  9036

Well said. 
  
  
"Nuff said"...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 23:44:47
Message Number  9038

>I think his attack's sole purpose of attacking and recapturing Kuwait.
 
/Recapturing/ Kuwait? Iraq has never captured Kuwait to begin with, and
in any event posessed part of what is now Kuwait long enough ago that it
doesn't really matter. That'd be rather like Britian "recapturing" the
United States.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/19/90 23:47:10
Message Number  9039

Chris is in the Army, and has been for a /long/ time.
If you're interested, I can reply in more detail farther down the 
message base.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 02:00:06
Message Number  9040

   I didn't mean 'recapturing in a war-sense way, I meant like reunif-
ying...
===========

From: MAX                 
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/20/90 12:24:39
Message Number  9042

For what it is, the 2500XL is a very good computer.  $1380 is a fairly
reasonable price for a 286 (still a little high, but you do get a 1-yr
warranty and it's from a company that's everywhere instead of in one
small building in Korea), especially with the hard drive.  You wouldn't
be able to beat that price with a comparable Amiga system unless you had
another brother who worked for Commodore.
   So what you need to do is ask yourself, is running Amiga stuff, and
having the extras the Amiga has that the 2500XL doesn't (stereo sound,
better animation, a considerably more powerful operating system), worth
the extra money?  The MS-DOS world's strongpoint is business programs
and even there, you can find programs that do the same thing for other
systems.  Generally I wouldn't recommend MS-DOS machines to people unles
they have a need to run specific applications that ONLY exist for MS-DOS
and it's necessary (say, for compatibility with their office) that they
be running the real McCoy instead of a "workalike" for another computer.
I would like to have an 8-MHz 8086 (not 8088) machine myself, but mostly
just so I can (1) read other people's MS-DOS disks easily, (2) have a
better machine than the Intertec Superbrain for modeming & word
processing (actually, the Superbrain is a better computer than a lot of
low-end MS-DOS machines, but it has a lot of pecularities I'd rather
live without), and (3) run Aladdin, the GEnie front-end program that's
the best argument for owning a PC compatible I've seen.  ("I use a
TRS-80 for all the serious stuff, the PC is just there so I can call
GEnie and download LS-DOS and Z-System programs more efficiently.")
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 12:33:02
Message Number  9043

Most Marines aren't trained as assassins.  Although, yes, Snipers come
close.  (That's not the only thing a trained assassin would have to
know, though.)
 
Yes, a highly trained ex-sniper would make a great assassin, as he'd
probably fill in the 'gaps' of training.  My original point was that
an AVERAGE soldierguy isn't an assassin type.  I'd much rather see a
few Marines, or SEALs, Delta Force or whomever (normally it seems they
use SEALs and give Delta Force credit, although they've stopped trying
to pretend the SEALs don't exist -- which they were up until about two
years ago, kind of like pretending the Stealth bomber was top-secret at
the same time there were plastic models of them available at Eckerd's)
go in and try to assassinate Hussein and key Iraqi military leaders than
the "blitzkrieg" method of "bomb everything and hope he gets hit" that a
lot of people are talking about now... including the now-fired Air Force
Chief of Staff.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Kennedy        
Date & Time: 09/20/90 12:38:22
Message Number  9044

I don't know enough about Lee Harvey Oswald to say whether or not he was
an Ex- anything.  There's a lot of theories about the CIA being behind
JFK's assassination, but there's nothing there to link them, or anyone
except Oswald, with the crime.  The fact that Oswald was himself killed
as soon as he was taken into custody suggests that somebody didn't want
him telling everything he knew to the police, though.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 12:43:59
Message Number  9045

People in the military are training for a war, but not (hopefully)
wishing for one.  CG's opinion on a lot of things most assuredly does
not reflect either mine or Turtle's -- Chris and I have had some rousing
debates about all sorts of subjects on the now-defunt Rowrbrazzle BBS in
California.  You do need to call Armadillo more often, as Chris has
responded to your messages and you haven't received them yet.  Actually,
several people have responded to them, and one of them pointed out that
the trials at Nuremburg held the soldiers directly responsible for NOT
questioning orders.  Gosh, there's that name again, from someone who
isn't me or Turtle this time....
    The wisdom of Turtle's importing CG's message over here not
withstanding, the point was questioning our motivations for being over
in the Middle East, and the justification for putting American lives on
the line so that we can have lower prices at the gas pump.  You really
should call TAC fairly often (say at least every other day?) now that
you're a participant in that debate.
 
I don't think Chris is a complete enigma, although there are some things
I don't understand about him -- but I'm sure the reverse is also true.
The first part of a graphic novel by Chris will be the cover feature for
Mythagoras #4 (not the upcoming issue, but the one after that).
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/20/90 13:08:47
Message Number  9046

> If the hard drive and program base isn't that important go with an 
> Amiga 500...
 
HHmm --
 
Amy 500 w/ 1Meg o' RAM ...  $600
1084 Monitor ... #275
40 Meg HD w/ another 512K of RAM .... $600
 
That's only $1475 ... GREAT DEAL ... ANd can get down to around $1300 if
you buy it all as a package ... Not to mention that it's faster than
and IBM and can multitask ... ALSO the Amy has a HUGE supply of software
out there that is (A) Better, and (B) Cheaper and you can also run all
Macintosh and IBM and Atari ST and Commie 64 software on it with some 
modestly priced enhancements ... Turtle ... You don't give the Amiga
enough credit for seemingly being an "Amiga Supporter"...
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 13:15:14
Message Number  9047

You should acll my board and ask HIM on the echos ...
 
::Hint::  ::Hint::
 
T.A.C. -- 813/378-2218 -- 3/12/2400 Baud -- Sarasota, Fl
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/20/90 20:56:33
Message Number  9048

> Barb's Video
 
  You take orders from them?? This puzzles me. I only had to take an 
order from them once. Pay a late fee. They didn't even force me too  
either...
  They have a nice place tho, don't they. I wanna work there... 
unfortunately, they claim you must be 18 to work in a video store... 
 
 **grumble grumble** Nobody within walking/biking distance of my home
wants to hire me..
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/20/90 21:01:05
Message Number  9049

 
   I'm not really sure about the 2500 version of a Tandy, but I have a 
like/hate relationship with a Tandy 1000... It's good for some things, 
but real crappy in some respects.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/20/90 21:02:45
Message Number  9050

> But it burns me that he questions proper orders...
 
  Forgive me, I missed the original message. Did he verbally or mentally
question the orders?? And just when can you know that orders are 
"proper"?? I mean, a perfect sounding order could have an alterior 
motive....
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 21:04:35
Message Number  9051

 
 > So then I have the right to say what I want...
 
  I never said anything otherwise... I just said there was no need to
appologize for an opinion. I do think, however, that Spellwind's 
attitude is quite, well, lacking in thought and intelligence... 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 21:29:47
Message Number  9052

T> /Recapturing/ Kuwait? ... That'd be rather like Brittan 
T>"recapturing" the United States.
  
Nice point.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/20/90 21:36:54
Message Number  9053

some other time.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: Y'ALL               
Subject: --             
Date & Time: 09/20/90 22:09:57
Message Number  9054

  Aerosmith UNPLUGGED..... good stuff here.
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Francais       
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:27:00
Message Number  9055

TS>Ah, forget it. Lets go back to English. I'm getting tired of
TS>one-upmanship.
     
Damn! I was just going to get to Fortran.
          Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DIONYSUS            
Subject: @#!*&%$@!      
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:30:13
Message Number  9056

>Abortion! Euthenasia! Racism! Capital Punishment! God-given infer-
>iority of women!
     
General feelings:
     
   Abortion: I believe every programmer has the right to abort their
             programs.
     
   Euthenasia: I feel sorry for 'em, but not as much as I do for the
               Euthenafrica.
    
   Racism: a) The breaking apart of a ray?
           b) ...and it's Santa's Little Helper in the lead...
     
   Capital Punishment: The Capitol deserves all the punishment it can
                       get.
     
   God-given inferiority of women: Now, why would She do a thing like
                                   that?
           Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:36:35
Message Number  9057

>McDonald's fries, properly cooked, defeat Checker's battered fries
>hands-down in sensory appeal...
      
    Hmmm... the only way we can resolve this is a taste-test. With as
many "impartial" (and hungry!) judges as we can find. Can anyone stand
a fry taste-test? (And bring in other fries -- not just Checker's and
Mikkie D's.)
                 Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:43:43
Message Number  9058

Congratulations on the child!!!! He looks just like you! 
     
          Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:48:00
Message Number  9059

>Hi! This is Ken Ober under my "Furry" handle...
     
   Oh, hiya, Ken! The tail looks good on you. Oh, by the way... could
you get out from under the "Furry" handle? I need to get into the
"Furry" drawer of the "Furry" desk...
             Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JOHN WOLAK          
Subject: Animalism!     
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:50:20
Message Number  9060

>Use formaldehyde-laden humans!
     
   What a wonderful idea! Humans aren't much good for anything except
breeding and warring among themselves. I'm sure they won't mind if just
a few million are taken away for biology experiments throughout the
galaxy...
             Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/20/90 23:53:21
Message Number  9061

What is lawful is not always right. What is right is not always lawful.
           Chip P. Unicorn
     
Ye Ghods! I'm becoming Spellwindish!
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/21/90 00:07:05
Message Number  9062

Forgive me, Jonboy. We haven't gotten to the accusative case yet.
             Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 00:08:05
Message Number  9063

>I know of more than one Jew who were not knowledgabl enough in their
>faith and thought these were "translation errors". Trick is - what do
>we make of this (if anything).
    
   Slap it between two slices of bread and make a hoagie?
   
   Come, come, now... do you really think the OT was originally written
in Hebrew? Give me the Bible Paul used -- the King James Version!
                    Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 00:10:53
Message Number  9064

>hell no I'm not sory Chip - YOU started this mess again di'nt ya!
    
I confess. I did done it. But the butler payed me to. Honest.
     
>Let's stick to fench fry fanaticism for now...
     
Ahh... but the best thing to go with french fries are milkshakes. And
the best of THOSE came from the sadly defunct Patrick's Ice Cream.
(I just loved the chocolate peanut butter ones!)
                 Chip P. Unicorn
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: friends        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 00:16:23
Message Number  9065

Hmmm... reminds me of something really strange that happened one summer.
    
A man who I had met once before walked up to me and said, "Hey -- ya
know what? I met this girl, married her, got her pregnant, and divorced
her -- all within three weeks. What do you think of that?" What really
shocked me was the fact that his current girlfriend (and a good friend
of mine) was there at the time...
           Chip P. Unicorn
    
To be honest, I don't recall whatmy response was...
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/21/90 00:26:20
Message Number  9066

>...and exclude us that are certainly NOT (I'm shouting!) pinko
>liberal fags!??!??
      
   Of course not. Everyone on this board are pinko liberal fags. Didn't
you realize this? Not only are we all pinko liberal fag fascist 
constitutional monarchist para-military green sicko hippies, but not
one of us has taken a shower in... oh, two or three hours.
             Chip P. Unicorn
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From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/21/90 06:19:16
Message Number  9067

  Yo.
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From: SPELLWIND           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 06:24:38
Message Number  9068

   Twas a pity when Steak & Shake closed.....There's still Steak & Ale!
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From: TURTLE              
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/21/90 15:58:05
Message Number  9069

Like I said, if MS-DOS applications aren't terribly important I'd
recommend spending the money on an Amiga with a smaller HD. I give
the Amiga plenty of credit--but you also aren't going to find a machine
with the mass storage he was talking about for $1300. (Yes, I would go
with the Amiga, but that doesn't mean there are no reasons to buy any
other machine.)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Francais       
Date & Time: 09/21/90 16:01:15
Message Number  9070

>Damn! I was just going to get to Fortran.
 
I thought you didn't know FORTRAN...
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From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: friends        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 16:04:41
Message Number  9071

>To be honest, I don't really recall whatmy response was...
 
Something along the lines of "I hope you die horribly," I trust.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 09/21/90 16:05:59
Message Number  9072

Here's something I'd really like to see:
 
A 1963 Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit with a bumper sticker reading "Don't
laugh, it's paid for!"
 
Twilight Zone-snobbism: it's not just for breakfast any more.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/21/90 17:39:04
Message Number  9073

  
 To import a popular phrase: Dip!! Turtle responded to a message in 
which the author did not want to hear about how good the Amiga is. Think
about it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/21/90 17:41:25
Message Number  9074

 
 /I/ certainly wouldn't mind a taste test of French Fries! I like French
Fries quite a bit, and I'm pretty impartial.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 09/21/90 17:45:03
Message Number  9075

 Something has been puzzling me for a while. I never noticed anything 
wrong with a couple words until they were censored on TV. This puzzled 
me quite a bit. Can someone tell me why the words "putz" and "schmuck" 
are not allowed on television??
===========

From: MAX                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 18:18:36
Message Number  9076

> Give me the Bible Paul used -- the King James Version!
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHH!  YOWL! YOWL!
Hiss! Spit! Ptooi!
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 18:29:10
Message Number  9077

> Twas a pity when Steak & Shake closed....
 
Steak & Shake is still open in Bradenton, aren't they?
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From: MAX                 
To: BEATLE              
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 09/21/90 18:30:52
Message Number  9078

"Putz" and "schmuck" are both Yiddish for "penis," I believe (fairly
sure that's what schmuck translates as, not as sure about putz).
They've been in common enough usage for the past, well, several decades
that I wouldn't think many people would get sensitive over them, but I
suppose you can always find a few worrywarts out there in TV-land.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 09/21/90 20:36:52
Message Number  9079

  Speaking of the Twilight Zone, can you believe this? Twilight Zone
   Cereal!
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From: SPELLWIND           
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 20:40:17
Message Number  9080

  Dude, I meant the sarasota one....
 
      Well, I think I'll head to the beach tomorrow and play frisbee 
in the 'designated' area for that stuff.
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From: JONBOY              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Grant?         
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:29:47
Message Number  9081

SW><N>exyou can't figure out why Grant's on the list, look him up. 
 
Well as a southern boy with 0 respect for them ol' Yankee generals
Grant was an over-rated drunkard and inept would be counted as a kind
word.  Better put forth a true gentleman, statesman, warrior and leader
of men - General Robert E. Lee CSA of course.
 
SW>Nixon was a genious(NOT a crook),
Wa hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
			                                 A /thoroughly/ amused JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: T'anks         
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:45:00
Message Number  9082

Thnkyewvewymuch!
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:45:54
Message Number  9083

T> Careful; her boyfriend's in town (smirk). 
 
Hey!  Read yer message two back (about yer friend that filed for 
divorce).  I'm wit her!  Dinner with a modem buddy should be no call
for alarm for a sentient male of the species.  If he ain't - well....
that's her decision.
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:47:59
Message Number  9084

T> It's Latin for "small, striped furry mammal that runs very fast." 
 
Tch tch... sloppy homework.  You forgot the fact that it is a member of
the rodent family.
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From: JONBOY              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:50:53
Message Number  9085

MAX> should be bright enough not to quibble about which branch ... gung-
MAX> ho....
 
Wrong - they are drilled with the idea that esprit de corps overrides 
anything else.  All branches of the military is capable of gross
stupidity.  Almost all members are discouraged from individual thought.
The ones that refuse to be submerged are at best unhappy as they fight
for air in a sea of repression.  You are told that you should obey
orders without question.  They are casual about making the delineation 
between lawful and not - and imply that any questions in a war situation
should be brought up later.  Battlefield require immediate and un-
questioned obedience.
 
This is what they are told.  Common sense returns to most folks that 
have gone through the initial brainwash but there are a few that having
no spine ofg their own, incorporate the rigidity of the military as the
prop in their life.
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From: JONBOY              
To: ODEN                
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 21:59:11
Message Number  9086

OD> and.... its Beep-beep Zip BANG.... get it straight. ha!  
 
No no!  That's Balla-Walla Bing-Bang!
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From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Ipso/de Facto  
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:01:40
Message Number  9087

TS> (and the    tenth just sits there...)
 
Nah - he's happily sucking on his Ipso and doesn't care.
 
BTW - I haven't forgotten you - I got yer call but work is an absolute
zoo.  The damned MetraByte people neglected to clarify an implication
that led to a rewiring job on my interface panel.  I work with a guy
that has training in /electrical/ work - he feeds me 24 volts DC and
5 VDC.  He used red & black for the 24 VDC but only had white and black
available for 5 vdc.  Not bad except that he reverted to AC color code
and I hooked the 5 volts up backward and fried a few thousand dollars 
in interface boards.  Sighhhhhh.  Behind schedule now and I had to 
totally rewrite the user interface because the graphics library that I
used has some sort of conflict with either the network drivers (likely)
or dies from being too much of a memory pig.  In any case this damned
thing locked up even the new Borland Debugger.  THEN the assembly
interface for the DtoA card fails to clean up the stack (leaves the 
passed parameters on the stack) so I have to send for the source and
modify it for the large memory model (A big fuck you to Intel and their
twisted joke of segmented architecture!!!!) so the poor brain dead thing
knows that it is talking to C now and not (!gag! <barf> GWBASIC).  Wow
today was a milestone as my computer successfully shook hands with the
Allen Bradley SLC500 for the first time (oh yeah - I had to design an
interface board because the friggin digital card that reads the switches
thinks that an open is a valid high ).  Anyway... then I had problems
with the windowing library because the idiot implemented a simple taskin
scheme whereby a function can be called in the keyboard loop.  He wrote
it into the windowed menueing functions and * failed* to allow for 
someone else to open a window while in the menu.  Shit!  I had to 
write what amounts to a small task switcher that watches resources
while in the task loop.  It's been a week!
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From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:17:59
Message Number  9088

TS> got a buddy of mine slapped and laid more often that he could count.
 
Hmmm - was this concurrent or which came first?  I never knew any of
the ladies to fall for lines like that. Of course I hung out with some
"different" people there.  One of my friends was Ushi (probably /not/
her real name) who was a prostitute.  She showed me the side of the
business that usually only the girls see.  Afer that I could never
see myself as a customer.  But anyway - we were quite a partying crowd.
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:29:48
Message Number  9089

T> generally considered to be about the best PC-architecture machines...
 
Ummmmmm - I sure hope that you aren't including the infamous 1000 as 
part of the illustious entourage that you are touting there.  A true
junker.  Also - has Tandy dispensed with their propensity to make 
their machines slightly non-standard so that all the peripherals must
be Tandy ones?  A good indicator in my book to stay away from a machine
is if it has a special entry in a software installation.  Look at
most games and you must buy a Tandy version. AT&T screwed up that way
with non-standard video (also the Tandy 2000 and professionals)
 
You can still build your own clone fer cheap.  386 SX motherboards are
now down to about $350 with a couple meg of RAM.  286's can be had for
$250 at Amelia's.  Cases are $150, Super VGA cards and monitors are
down to about $450 for he pair.  A 85 meg SCSI drive w/controller can
be had for $550.
                                A TinkerToy JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:37:30
Message Number  9090

T> but not word one about whether or not there might be some valid reaso
T> for the United States to stay OUT of the Middle East.
 
I proposed a few *before* the post as did a few others.  I object to a 
country being invaded because they threaten to kick you in the balls
economically.  I just cannot equate dollars and cents with human life.
I think that the flames about economic upheaval and world economic 
collapse are Manifest Bullshit (tm).  We have plenty of reserves right
now and we have capacity in our offshore rigs.  Temporarily we would
be pressed really hard.  My blood runs cold when I hear people talk
about sending soldiers over to participate in a war that is not our own
for the sake of maintaining the status quo with regards to the world
economy (read US interests).  Those soldiers are human beings and are
being asked to give their lives for a monetary system that is over-
burdened with excesses, balanced to favor the wealthy and in desperate
need of radical surgery.  Hardly the noble cause of freedom and/or
human rights is it?
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From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: mcdonalds      
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:54:21
Message Number  9091

CPU> 
CPU> Can anyone standa fry taste-test? 
As long as there's beer to wash it down and good company - YES!
Let's go for it.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:56:09
Message Number  9092

CPU> We haven't gotten to the accusative case yet.
 
Ummmmm - do I gotta take the stand?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 09/21/90 22:57:08
Message Number  9093

CPU> do you really think the OT was originally written in Hebrew?
 
Well the text that the Jews use is derived from the same sources that
we get ours with  te exception of the NT of course.  There is an 
ancient form of Hebrew that has a few phrases and such that are a 
minor mystery to even Hebrew scholars.  Not to mention that Babylonian
tablets are consulted to verify the historical record (cuniform).
Thus the "errors" like the male/female components of the texts is 
wondered at by modern Jewish scholars - all the ones I have talked to
can't/won't guess at anything.  Not to mention the actual name of God
is NEVER written or spoken (so how in heck does it get passed down?
I've heard in a special cerimony in the temple)  All of the other names 
are really titles and descriptive names for God.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 09/21/90 23:03:23
Message Number  9094

CPU > green sicko hippies,
Turtle is the only one can lay claim to /that/ fame!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 09/21/90 23:05:19
Message Number  9095

BE>Can someone tell me why the words "putz" and "schmuck" 
 
A lot of Yiddish pithy saying are pretty graphic sexually speaking.
putz is better know to you as "dick" or "prick" and involves the
person's character - not his tool.  Also it seems that most Yiddish
sayings are very denigrating of the victim.  Call someone a prick and
there can still be some machismo salvaged - a putz however is 
beneath contempt.  I honestly don't know what a schmuck is.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:25:33
Message Number  9096

Steak & Shake closed? You mean the one up in Bradenton, or the entire
Steak & Shake company closed?
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Francais       
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:26:29
Message Number  9097

T>I thought you didn't know FORTRAN...
   
   I did know it. Took a second-term course in it at Duke University.
Even got an 'A-' in the course...
     
   Whether or not I still know FORTRAN is completely up in the air.
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:31:59
Message Number  9098

   I know that "Schmuck" in Yiddish means "penis" (even though in
German it means "jewel") and THAT'S still a censored word... I'm not
sure where "putz" comes from...
    
    But, speaking about meaningless censorship: at one elementary
school, a kid wanted to read the poem "Trees." Anyway, the school banned
it immediately. Not only did it make reference to God, but the words
"breast" and "bosom" both appear in it! Scandalous.
     
   Seriously, what do y'all think about teaching religion in the public
schools? Should it be completely left out? Or is it possible to teach
about religion without implicitly nudging students toward a state 
religion?
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:39:47
Message Number  9099

>Twilight Zone Cereal!
     
     I would hate to imagine how it advertises itself...
     
     "Have you been noticing strange things happening lately? Have
things just not been right for you? Have you noticed hoofprints on
your ceiling? Or clothing re-arranging itself in your closet? Have
weird and startling objects been hovering right at the edge of your
vision? Have hands reached out of your television set recently? No?
Then you haven't been eating Twilight Zone Cereal! It's the cereal 
that's truly out of this world."
       
            Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:48:08
Message Number  9100

CPU> We haven't gotten to the accusative case yet.
    
JB>Ummmmm - do I gotta take the stand?
  
Where were you the night of February 30th?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/22/90 01:49:57
Message Number  9101

JB> Well the text that the Jews use is derived from the same sources
JB> that we get ours...Thus the "errors" like the male/female components
JB> of the texts is wondered at by modern Jewish scholars..
    
   Believe it or not, I was trying to build up to that last line, and
I wasn't being serious about wondering what language the OT was really
written in. To be specific, it was Aramaic -- a branch of Hebrew. 
Except for a small portion of a few of the OT books (I believe Daniel
has a few lines in Persian, and the oft-quoted phrase "How shall we
worship the Lord in a foreign land?" was also in another tongue.)
   Personally, I believe any errors in the OT were due to scribes and
copiers -- not from any translation. (But they were doing amazingly 
well. It used to be the earliest copies of the OT were from the seventh
or eighth century -- until the Dead Sea Scrolls. And they were 
remarkably close to what we have now.)
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/22/90 02:15:17
Message Number  9102

Religion should be taught in home, if so desired.  Teaching /about/ 
religion is usually taught in "history" class, if my memory serves me
right.  
===========

From: BIG LEW             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 07/22/90 02:20:05
Message Number  9103

Did I ask a dumb question about how to quote from another's message into
my reply?  I'm considering an off-line reader.  Any advice would be much
appreciated..................
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/22/90 02:41:52
Message Number  9104

I'm against censorship in the school system. Among the banned books are
Catcher in the rye,Huckleberry finn,and ...(can't think of any offhand 
right now)
I do know I do own 2 banned books.
One is the bible (yes,ask a librarian) and Uncle tom's cabin.
 
There are a great many well known books that have been banned. 
There is a "banned book week" sponsored by the county library system. I'
m not sure when it is though.
 
Our freedom of speech is slowly being eroded by these people that think 
they know what's "good" & "bad".
 
I love to read,there's a whole world in books,They take you many places
and you can "live" the story as you read it. 
 
I'm waiting for Robert Ludlum's
"The Bourne Ultimatum" to come out in paperback. I enjoy his books as 
well as Tom Clancy's,and many others.
 
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/22/90 02:55:34
Message Number  9105

I liked your "ad" for Twilight Zone cereal.
What will they come out with next?
Among the rediculous things I've seen are fake cellular phone antennas,
Pump sneakers.....
You think it's bad now,Just wait until the christmas season hits. 
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/22/90 07:55:52
Message Number  9106

Since I do not know you I gather that you either eat often or  are in th
e food business. Which is true? Jim Davie is a friend I gather? I know J
im from selling products to him. How strange it is that handles keep us
as strangers in a strange world.
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From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 07/22/90 08:00:53
Message Number  9107

Sorry I have been working and the reference is lost. Please state
message that #8884 refers to and I will recap its meaning
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/22/90 08:03:15
Message Number  9108

Please leave sexual references out. I know that you are a key
looking for a lock!
===========

From: MIKE GREENAWALD     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 07/22/90 08:09:58
Message Number  9109

Hard drive died. The computer no longer polls the seventh port
Got any idea as to what is up with the hard drive?
An anxious patron
I feel like a parent again waiting for David to show up. The man is
a pest but you have to like him at least I do . I am his cousin by
descent. Sorry I have two problems today. That are naging me.
===========

From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: MAX                 
Subject: Steak & Shake  
Date & Time: 07/22/90 13:08:09
Message Number  9110

Uhm, I know this is a little late, but Steak & Shake is still alive in  
Tampa, too.  
..sorry to but in like that.
            DW
===========

From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Religion       
Date & Time: 07/22/90 13:15:56
Message Number  9111

Chip --
Religion should be taught in schools, but only in as many forms as it 
exists, and with no particular bias.
..
In other words, probably not, cuz I don't know a single person who can
teach that subject (or any) without their biases naturally coming 
through.  Maybe they could convince the kids to look past it, but then
how many people WANT to teach young kids to ignore their philosophies.
... but kids really do need to know the variety out there.  It would 
help, I think.   (Maybe if it were taught in private, not public schools
 - so the state would not be responsible, or could be blamed...)
                        DW
BTW - I'll see you guys about 10 months from now on the board (I never 
can afford these jaunts...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Milkshakes     
Date & Time: 07/22/90 13:47:01
Message Number  9112

I dunno, I thought the best I'd had so far was a toss up bewtween two
places...the Baskin Robbins in Korea, Yongsan Compound South post 
(I knew the guy there and he also make alcoholic drinks...highly
illegal but excellent in a milkshake) and the Grafittis over here on
Cortez Road.  They'll make it out of any of the Ice Creams they got.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Grant?         
Date & Time: 07/22/90 13:53:52
Message Number  9113

Lemme see now...Lee was the one that got his ass kicked, right?  Oh,
sorry, I mean that he lost miserably.  Or, he was a loser...hmmm. 
There just doesn't seem to be a good way to say that!
 
 
 
Heheh....couldn't resist pulling your chain!  Hehehe.  :)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/22/90 13:56:52
Message Number  9114

JB>That is what they are told.  Common sense returns to most folks that
JB>have gone through the initial brainwash but there are a few that 
JB>having no spine of thier own, incorporate the rigidity of the
JB>military as the prop in their life.
  
Hmm. Better than never having had an example and developed your basic
civilian soft spine.  Almost invertebrate.
  
Hey!  I thought we had a treaty!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: GermanY        
Date & Time: 07/22/90 14:02:07
Message Number  9115

It was iether-or...meaning slapped or laid.  Should have known better
to use the word "and" to a man who works with digital.  And, when were
you there?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/22/90 14:06:03
Message Number  9116

Let me get this straight.  You object to a country being invaded just
because of economoic reasons, but you object to our being there because
you believe that liberating the country is not a "noble cause of freedom
and/or human rights"?  What about the rights of those poor citizens
in Kuwait?  Oh, you say, "not our war".  Oh, right, they aren't actually
HUMAN, those camel jockeys over there in Kuwiat.  
  You believe (from what I gathered from your message) that because
there are implications of US intrests that we should not be there,
and devil take the poor suckers in Kuwait, because that "not our war".
Who cares about THIER "freedom and/or human rights"?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/22/90 14:13:42
Message Number  9117

I think that if the basics of religion are combined with courtroom
proceedures that you could teach it effectively.
  
  "And in the alleged Garden of Eden, there were supposedly tow
people, who were reputed to be Adam and Eve.  Now, circumstancial
evidence shows...
  
   Or something like that.  But I would hate to see religion taught
by a preist or rabbi or something like that.  
  
  "YEYESS!  Can you hear me students!  And so GOD came down from 
HEYEVEN and said to HIS PROPHET MOSES...I AYAM that I AYAM."
  
I wouldn't take a class like that...utter bullshit.  If religion cou;
could be taught on an informational basis, with all sides looked at,
(Muslim, Hinduism, Judism, Catholisicm, Confusianism, Buddhism) then
it would be a good learning experience.  (Plus it would allow
students to learn religion without all the extra slanted bullshit they
pump into you at a church or synagogue...and let them make an 
intelligent choice about a religion.  None of this, "If you believe it
in your heart..." bullshit...that leaves too much to the emotional
part of the mind and not enough to intelligent decision.  Besides,
if you believe enough with your heart, you can believe any bullshit,
because you simply don't have a grip on reality anymore.)
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: MMA                 
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/22/90 15:13:04
Message Number  9118

Actually, if you're interested in what happens when a society goes to
extremes banning books, you might enjoy "Fahrenheit 451." (Ghods! I
love that book!)
    Actually, any banning of books -- no matter how "crackpot" the ideas
inside -- seems to go against my concept of the "freedom of speech"
clause of the First admendment. But, heck -- what do I know?
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: MMA                 
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/22/90 15:15:24
Message Number  9119

>I liked your "ad" for Twilight Zone cereal.
     
Thank you.
     
>What will they come out with next?
    
Uh.. Chip & Dale's Rescue Rangers Cereal?
    
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: Steak & Shake  
Date & Time: 07/22/90 15:17:29
Message Number  9120

>..sorry to but in like that.
     
    No problem. Ain't seen you since the animation festival. What's up?
                Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Milkshakes     
Date & Time: 07/22/90 15:19:09
Message Number  9121

>I thought the best I'd had so far was a toss up bewtween two places...
>the Baskin Robbins in Korea, Yongsan Compound South post...
    
   Hmmm... kind of hard even for furries to drive on over to taste-test
them. The guy's probably left by now, huh?
   (Actually, if you simply want to talk about amazing ice creams
anywhere in the world, next time you're in San Miguel de Allende,
Mexico -- stop in at La Dolce Vita. Their ice creams are obviously 
home-made, the day before, and their coffee ice cream is out of this
world. Their cappucino has spoiled me for life. And if you want simply
amazing food there -- try la Bugambilla, a taste of real Southern
Mexican cooking. It has nothing to do with "hot" foods -- but the dishes
range from the good to the superior. <*SIGH!*> Can't wait to get back
to Old Mexico. Just don't drink the water.)
     
>...and the Graffittis over here on Cortez road.
     
    Hmmmm... Gotta try it.
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/22/90 15:27:05
Message Number  9122

TS> If religion could be taught on an informational basis, with all
TS> sides looked at (Muslim, Hinduism, Judaism, Catholicism, Confusian-
TS> ism, Buddhism) then it would be a good learning experience.
     
Point of message: Those are not all the religions of the world, nor
                  is it a listing of all major religions of the world.
       
   Those are simply NOT "all sides" looked at. First of all, you missed
Protestantism -- the religion most people of this board would probably
call themselves (if not simply "agnostic.") Protestantism was as much
of a branching off from Catholicism as Christianity was from Judaism.
(Luckily, Catholicism shifted toward Protestantism.) The Southern 
Baptist Coalition is still either the largest or second largest 
denomination in the U.S.
    
   Secondly, in order to get "all" the viewpoints, one must catalogue
"all" the religions. Not only is this a nearly impossible task (I have
the view that every person in this world has a slightly different view
of God -- or the Gods. Even athiests.) but it's insurmountable.
Religions change with time slowly or quickly, and what was once 
fashionable fades. 
     
Point of message, pt. 2: A proposed solution.
    
   Instead of trying to teach every religion in public schools, teach
students means of critiquing religion. Teach students how to think for
themselves -- and how to apply this freedom to religions. All religions
make assumptions about the world: teach students to critically examine
those assumptions (as well as find them!) Only a "few" religions would
need to be taught under those circumstances.
===========

From: DIRTY WRAT          
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Up             
Date & Time: 07/22/90 16:35:02
Message Number  9123

I decided to crash your fair city... not an entirely uncommon event, 
then decided to actually attempt BBSing again (it's been a while) 
Believe it or not, there hasn't been a good conversation board in Tampa
for a while (OKOK, so I stopped looking...) anyway, tis a shame I can't 
call more often, so this is kind of a treat for me...
BTW...   "Balance" kicked some big-time butt!!
                              DW
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/22/90 23:45:11
Message Number  9125

Good idea (teaching them to critique religions).  But a little back
ground would be a good idea, too.  Of course it would be difficult to
cover *all* the religions, but howabout the most major ones. (Nine out
of ten Christians worship God...but that last one...)  Sort of like
that...the different geographies which worship (or in the middle ease,
WAR-ship) the different prophets or gods, whathaveyou. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:15:15
Message Number  9126

>Hiss! Spit! Ptooi!
 
Hey, isn't "Ptooi" Yiddish for something obscene involving aardvarks?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Ipso/de Facto  
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:21:29
Message Number  9127

>A bug Fuck you to Intel and their twisted joke of segmented
>architecture!
 
You'll be pleased to know that Intel's new 64-bit microprocessor, the
80860, does not use segmented memory addressing. It /does/ however have
a floating-point instruction pipeline that must be kept full in order to
work, so if you execute a single floating-point operation you have to do
three floating-point NOP's immediately afterward to get the result out
the other end. No, I'm *not* making this up.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:24:11
Message Number  9128

Tandy actually learned from the 1000 and is now in the habit of making
real honest-to-God PC architecture machines, at least in every aspect
save video (the Tandy line actually emulates the PCjr in video modes;
its standard is CGA resolution but with more colors). The Tandy 2000
was a special case; it was an 80186-based machine that was designed to
be MS-DOS compatible but *not* PC compatible (in a lot of ways, it was
what the IBM PC-AT /should/ have been--Tandy looked at the PC bus and
said "fuck that noise, we'll design our own"). Since PC architecture
caught on, though, there isn't really much call for MS-DOS machines that
aren't standard architecture, even though the standard architecture
is /slow/. Guess people want a home computer they can plug their
new 2400 baud Zoom modem into, and forget decent design. Personally, if
I were to design an MS-DOS machine, it'd probably be a 186 computer; it
has the same instruction set that the 286 does, minus some special
multitasking modes that you can't get to in PC architecture for various
arcane reasons, plus a whole bunch of neat-O high-speed I/O functions
the rest of the iAPX-86 family just doesn't have.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:31:32
Message Number  9129

>All the other names are really titles and descriptive names for God.
 
With the exception of YHVH, which is never written with the vowel marks.
Makes sense, though, in a culture that believed that to name a thing was
to have power over that thing; if you name God, are you claiming power
over him/her?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:33:07
Message Number  9130

Turtle is most definitely *not* green; he's actually brown, with
reddish markings on his back shell.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BIG LEW             
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:35:22
Message Number  9131

Can't help you with advice about an off-line reader, since we're running
different hardware and I don't find myself calling out with anything
other than DTerm (for LS-DOS) or TERMIII (for Z-System).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:37:04
Message Number  9132

I work at McDonald's, and I don't know anyone named Jim Davie. What
makes you think handles keep us as strangers? You know my name!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Huh            
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:38:13
Message Number  9133

RUFUS>I am the egg man, I am the walrus.
MIKE>Please keep the sexual references out. I know that you are a key
MIKE>looking for a lock!
 
What???!!!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:39:35
Message Number  9134

>I am his cousin by descent.
 
Is there another way to be one's cousin?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: Religion       
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:40:19
Message Number  9135

>...but kids really do need to know the variety out there.
 
It slays me when people claim to have "found God" and know absolutely
nothing of any religion save their own--I usually tell 'em, Well
gosh, you've looked pretty hard, huh?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 01:43:16
Message Number  9136

Freedom and human rights? FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS? Hey, this country
has /never/ had much interest in freedom and human rights--lookit all
the bloddy friggin' dictators and tyrants that got where they are by
American support! Idi Amin was one of ours, and /he/ wasn't very big
on freedom and human rights; nor were Marcos, or Pinochet, or
Good ol' Manuel Noriega, who was propped up by the United States
before we got tired of him fueling our social problems. Kuwait was
NOT a democracy before Iraq invaded; the Emir of Kuwait was an absolute
monarch, and women were second-class citizens. This is what we want to
put back?
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/23/90 03:02:48
Message Number  9138

Yes, I've read Farenheit 451.
451 degrees is the temperature at which paper burns. Have you read 'the 
illustrated man',also by Ray Bradbury? It's a good book!
In russia,somsone can get thrown in jail for referring Gorbechav as an 
ass. In this country,we don't have to look over our shoulder when talk-
ing. 
 
MMA
Don't torch our flag!
(the burning nylon stinks!)
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 03:10:22
Message Number  9139

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. They already have Smurfberry crunch
and other rediculous stuff like that. 
MMA
What ever happened to good ole corn flakes?
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/23/90 03:19:56
Message Number  9140

>point of msg. pt 2........
In doing that,aren't you restricting their choices? I understand where 
you're coming from. 
Granted, it is a big task to show all sides. There's no easy way around
it.
Personally,I belive that religeon should be taught at home.
When you mix church & state (school),it can be a big mess.
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: bibles         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 03:29:24
Message Number  9141

After the individual has made his choice of religeon,then he has to 
choose a bible. 
There are so many versions out there. I own the KJV. There's also the 
New amplified version,the english revised version,the revised standard 
version,The New american bible.......and the list goes on.
What are the differences in all of these? Oh,and don't forget Mary Baker
Eddy's key to the scriptures,which christian scientist followers belive 
to be a bible itself.
 
MMA
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 07/23/90 05:29:40
Message Number  9142

I know I'm late jumping into this but....Kennedy is an inspiration NOW,
due partly to his immortalization and canonization upon his unfortunate
death. However, had he lived, we might have seen what 'warmonger' really
means, and there's no telling where we'd be now. Nixon was a genius - 
kind of like Lex Luthor. Lot's to like there, but genius without guiding
morality can be dangerous. Grant ? Get serious. He was an good soldier, 
had the good fortune to be in charge when the northern industrial machin
was getting into high gear and the south was starving. But was a truly
dreadful president - cronyism and corruption at it's worst. And the 
only redeeming factor I can see in Jimmy Carter is that he seems a 
truly sincere Christian and do-gooder - that doesn't equate to being a 
leader of men.
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 05:39:31
Message Number  9143

After the two hobbies I already have (this 'puter, and raising 
daughters) I don't have two nickles to rub together for guns or 
anything else. Bought a rifle when I was in the Army. Shot the 
hell out of paper targets for a few years, then got bored and swapped
it for a tuner. Bitch of it was, the tuner got stolen....now if I'd 
only had a gun......
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 05:43:32
Message Number  9144

Madchen, ich mocht eine groBe weiss bier bitte, und viellict sie kann
schlaufen mit mir? 
  I traveled around Europe quite a bit when I was stationed in Germany,
and found that three important words are almost the same in most 
languages - so I always got by.
    beer, bier, biere, bira - always got something to drink
    special, especiale, specis - always got something to eat
    toilet, toiletten, toilita - disposed of the beer and special
===========

From: THRUD               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 07/23/90 05:49:08
Message Number  9145

If a good soldier is given an order he feels is wrong, he has several
options - the first and best is to say "Sir, with all due respect..."
and then voice your objection - respectfully. I don't mean attack an
officers decision and get belligerant - that'll get you nowhere. But 
officers are not omniscent, and a good one will accept intelligent 
input. If this fails, and you think the order is illegal, you may 
refuse an unlawful order (murdering civilian, eg) However, you better
be ready to prove it was an unlawful order at your court martial -
and if you do, you can testify at his court martial. There are other
options for dealing with truly poor leaders, who might endanger my
life unnecessarily, or go on felonous binges - but that would be
a tactical decision, and we're talking stategy here....
                         Spec4 Thrud (retired)
===========

From: THRUD               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 05:59:24
Message Number  9146

The 'what would I do if I won the lottery' conversation came up last
week, and I said that I would go back to school fulltime, perhaps to
a prestige school like Duke. One caveman looked at me like I was crazy,
wanted to know what the hell I needed school for if I had all that
money. I tried to tell him that 90% of school is fun, accomplishment, 
knowledge, etc. That got a condecending snort disbelief - from a guy
who takes twenty minutes to read a paint label. His plan was to buy
a desert island and stock it with pretty women. Not a bad idea, but
after 300 hours of wild sex, I'd want my 'puter. I occasionly bring
homework to do at lunch - some of the comments are to stupid for
humans to make. I'm earning that degree in more ways than one....
===========

From: THRUD               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 06:09:29
Message Number  9147

At her last diaper change, I noted that in at least one respect, she
more closely resembles her mother than myself. Actually, everbody
tells me she looks just like me. Poor kid. Fortunately, she gives me
an excuse to be up and posting at inhuman hours - rock with one hand,
type with the other.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/23/90 07:18:42
Message Number  9148

  I take it you haven't gotten the drift yet that he works at McD's...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MMA                 
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/23/90 07:31:49
Message Number  9149

MMA>In this country, we don't have to look over our shoulder when talk-
MMA>ing.
 
   Don't be too sure....
 
MMA>Don't torch our flag!
MMA>(the burning nylon stinks!)
 
                       Hmm... 
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: MMA                 
Subject: bibles         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 07:36:04
Message Number  9150

   You sound like they're all going to pick (or only be allowed to pick)
Judeo/Christian....
 
                        Give a kid a choice, he/she can usually pick 
                                    the right one...
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 07:41:30
Message Number  9151

  If I won the lottery (100,000,000) I'd become president in 16 years...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:24:03
Message Number  9152

> a few worrywarts out there in TV-land.
 
   True. I don't think the censors are really sure about what they want
on TV. They evidently weren't paying attention to what was going on when
editing "Little Shop of Horrors" since they substitued something else 
for "up yours" that didn't rhyme correctly in the song... It's odd too, 
since "up yours" has been said on television. Then there are times when 
"damn" is replaced by "darn". Only thing I can  think of is that a film 
with violence has to tone down the language... other  than that, the 
censors' policies puzzle me.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:27:38
Message Number  9153

> ...can you believe this?
 
  In a word, no.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Driving        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:29:37
Message Number  9154

> No no!  That's Balla-Walla Bing-Bang!
 
  Don't forget Ooh-e Ooh Ah-ah... 
 
  Yes, isn't phonetic spelling FUN???
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:38:29
Message Number  9155

  I think speaking of or any other such activity involving religion in
schools is fine, as long as the
students are not made to choose anything.  I don't wish to have any push
in school to worship or such, but discussion of it is fine. A student 
should not be forced to listen to it, orbe forced to not talk about it.
 
 If it would come to making kids feel guilty for having or not having
something to do with religion, that would be wrong. I remember going to 
church with some friends years ago, and this guy laid a guilt trip on 
someone for missing church for a family outing. Anyways, I felt that was
quite stupid.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:51:13
Message Number  9156

> Chip & Dale's Rescue Rangers Cereal?
 
 Who knows, they've already got a Nintendo game.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Huh            
Date & Time: 07/23/90 08:58:13
Message Number  9157

 
  Hehehe! I cracked up at that! Since Mike didn't quote, I had no idea 
what he was talking about. Evidently Mike has never heard the song "I Am
The Walrus".
 
  Rufus would probably claim he was all the better for it anyway.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MMA                 
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 09:01:31
Message Number  9158

 
> What ever happened to good ole corn flakes?
 
  Kellogs left the color, sugar, and free toy out.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 09:05:47
Message Number  9159

 
  I agree somewhat with your comments. It's a shame many people in the 
world today just don't give a
damn about knowledge and such. I don't like the pressure of school, and 
I certainly don't think it's too much fun, but I am discovering this 
year more than before that learning things is pleasurable. I have 
written stories, and I'd like to  learn more about how to write better. 
Then again, I don't really like literary criticism and poetry.
 
  I spoke with a person once. After this conversation, I felt real sorry
for him. It went like this:
 Him: (looking at me reading "The Resaurant at the End of the Universe")
  You reading that for school?
 Me: No.
 Him: What are you reading it for?
 Me: Because I like reading it.
 Him: I don't read anything unless my teacher makes me.
 Me: Haven't you ever read anything because you wanted to?
 Him: Yeah, I read a book on the Rolling Stones once.
 
   What's the world coming to?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 09:11:48
Message Number  9160

> I'd become the president in 16  years...
 
  I'd leave the country.
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 09:42:22
Message Number  9161

Beatle is being hostile!  Beatle is being hostile!
 
What's the problem?  You actually /want/ people to buy MessyDog machines
Is everyone turing into a Mush-Dos weenie!?  Maybe Turtle would like to
start running Opus now since he likes IBM so much ... He can Fido and 
stuff and look like every Opus board in the world, but this is good, 
because IBM is god ... All others suck, and IBM should /always/ be 
reccomended even though there are other systems that are /much/ better
that can do at least ten-times as much for a fairly close price on the
global scale ... But I guess Turtle and You /like/ using Mush-Dos....
 
Have a day.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Heinlein       
Date & Time: 07/23/90 11:56:28
Message Number  9162

>...it'd be helpful if we could actually find a /place/ to hold 
>RufusCon II before we worry 'bout T-shirts... :)
 
What?  What?  Planning something?  Aaarrgh...don't be silly.  Oh, me
and Beatle were scarfing down cheap food and stale french fries at
Rax yesterday, and on came Bambi.  We figured if they keep that up, we
could hold a furry party there.  Just pay $4 for all you can eat and
drink and enjoy a fine Disney film.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: dog house?     
Date & Time: 07/23/90 12:12:06
Message Number  9163

>Ok Turtle - cough it up bud or we rehearse at yer place next!!
 
It'd be better if you said "We hop up and down when you have your HD 
on."
 
bounce-bounce-fault
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Dew            
Date & Time: 07/23/90 12:18:07
Message Number  9164

>I'm sure we can arrange to have a strange man in a trenchcoat show up
>on your doorstep and give you one too...
 
Speaking of that, we need to set a day to do that.  And I need to go buy
some more Dew.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 12:43:20
Message Number  9165

Err, sorry to end your pity, but there is still a Steak n Shake open.
It is near DeSoto Square mall.  In fact, I recall doing an article on it
for our school paper.
===========

From: ODEN                
To: MAX                 
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 13:34:48
Message Number  9166

 Well, Hmmmmm (in case you re wondering what I'm about to talk about, 
now it seems to be a message about Amiga vs MuSH-Dos... ) being an Amiga
fan, and supporter, the real reason I asked you people about how good 
the Tandy (whatever the numbers and letters that are suppose to follow 
that name there... I've forgotten) is is (weird wording there) because I
was looking for a reason to get an Amiga and not the Tandy.. well, the
mush people say that IBM has the most software support, but how many 
word processors can a person have? and seems to me that Amiga has just 
about every kinda program that IBM has.... (cept for the ones that 
certain people hire programmers to write them up a special mush prgram)
soooooooooooo, given thhat and the fact that the Amiga can run real fast
and can do so much stuf that the IBM (and clones) cant do, is this 
enough reason to get an Amiga?
===========

From: ODEN                
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 13:48:37
Message Number  9167

>I have a like/hate relatioinship with a Tandy 1000... It's good for 
some things, but real crappy in some respects.
 
Well, I've got a hate/HATE relatioinship with Tandys... ffirst off, I
just hate them for no reason, secondly, the things they are good for,
(like word processing) you can do on a Commodore 64... and the things
that they arn't good for are: (hahaha, you hink I'm gonna list THAT list
????? hahahahhaha.. yeah RIGHT theres not enough space here !!!)
oh well.. enough raggin on that computer.. Its never done anything bad 
to/for me... infact, its never done ANYTHING for me.. hehehe...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MMA                 
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:23:22
Message Number  9168

As a senior gift two years ago (I think), the seniors bought a 
bookcase and each senior picked/bought a book to go in the bookcase.  I
know there is at least one copy of the bible in there.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MMA                 
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:25:14
Message Number  9169

>Among the rediculous things I've seen are fake cellular phone antennas,
>Pump sneakers.....
 
How about fake pump sneakers?  "For those who want to look like a 
yuppie, but can't afford to."
 
      ...running of in the distance.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:26:59
Message Number  9170

>Since I do not know you I gather you either eat often or...
 
Well, I hope he eats often.  If he didn't he'd die, start to de-compose,
and he wouldn't be as interesting as he is now.
 
>How strange it is that handles keep us as strangers in a strange world.
 
Are you starting the "Handles are like Asian goats, you hide behind 
them" debate again.  And if you got your head out of the paint can, you
would probably know Turtle's legal name.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: McD's Fries    
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:31:12
Message Number  9171

>Please leave the sexual references out.
 
The only thing close to be a sexual reference is if some inane brain 
cells spoke up and said "He's the egg man!  Hey, that's like an egg and
a sperm!  Wow!"
 
>I know you are a key looking for a lock!
 
Mike, you don't know diddly.
 
  ...Mike, a key in a world full of combination locks.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MIKE GREENAWALD     
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:34:58
Message Number  9172

>The computer no longer polls the seventh port
>Got any idea as to what is up with the hard drive?
 
I have no idea.  I told you, multiple times, I don't know that much
about hardware problems.  Call up some local store, or leave a message
on Dataline.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: Religion       
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:37:11
Message Number  9173

We offer a "World Religions" class at our school, and I think the 
teacher can teach it without any bias.  Of course, this teacher is a
fairly amazing teacher. 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: Up             
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:42:45
Message Number  9174

GHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!
[toss large object, hit head on hard surfaces, have an emotional
breakdown]
 
Thank you and good day...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:44:24
Message Number  9175

>Hey, isn't "Ptooi" Yiddish for something obscene involving aardvarks?
 
Only if you consider flirting obscene.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:46:14
Message Number  9176

>Guess people want a home computer they can plug their new 2400 baud
>Zoom modem into...
 
May the aardvark of happiness piddle on your toes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Apple hard driv
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:48:05
Message Number  9177

MIKE>I am his cousin by descent.
TURTLE>Is there another way to be one's cousin?
 
Why, yes there is.  With the cousin-o-matic, you can be a cousin with
anyone and anything.  Just clip to red and green wires to your nostrils,
and wrap the velcro strap around the cousin to be, and hit the button
on the unit.  In 60 seconds, you have yourself a new cousin.
 
Infinity, Inc.  Bringing you more relatives than you ever dreamed of.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:56:57
Message Number  9178

MMA) What ever happened to good ole corn flakes?
Beatle>Kellogs left the color, sugar, and free toy out.
 
Wrong dude. Sugar is number two on the list of ingredients.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 16:59:50
Message Number  9179

>Me: Because I like reading it.
>Him: I don't read anything unless my teacher makes me.
 
Funny, when I have to read book X, I usually don't.  I did like "The
Inferno" and "Candide," but I didn't like "The Iliad."
 
 ...but that guy Cliff takes really great notes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 17:02:00
Message Number  9180

Spellwind>I'd become the president in 16  years...
Beatle>I'd leave the country.
 
Wait for me.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/23/90 17:03:03
Message Number  9181

>Some message about IBM and Turtle and Beatle blown out of proportion.
 
Here we go again.
Sigh...
===========

From: DAVID MILLER        
To: RUFUS               
Subject: cousin         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 21:21:36
Message Number  9182

So that is what you think of me. Well here I thought that Roofs made goo
d protectors but I guess this roof has some hole in it. Could this be 
a character defect. I guess all genus' have a defect or two. I am just s
sorry that you defected on me. I am ashamed that I confided in you my fe
elings about roofs and shingles. Hum I shall not do that again.
===========

From: DAVID MILLER        
To: BEATLE              
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 21:29:51
Message Number  9183

Names referred to people parts and religious organization in the old day
Is what I understand.
===========

From: DAVID MILLER        
To: MAX                 
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/23/90 21:32:51
Message Number  9184

I thought that a smuck was a term used by Milton Burel to refer to 
people who were somewhat less than of the genus statue. It is like
the polish jokes today.
Puts was a rear end. The DeSoto commercials when they were live
had an announcer who used that term for the rear of a car. The girl
who modelled the car got offended and sued. She thought the anouncer
was referring to her rear end.
===========

From: DAVID MILLER        
To: GREAT PHILOSOPHER   
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 07/23/90 21:46:35
Message Number  9185

What does one do when a confidence is unsecured? I mean a jerk spoke
out on a foreign issue that he knew nothing about. I am innocent of
all guilt or knowledge even by association. 
I am real as Turtle will discover when he confirms me. Dad would not be
the same if he discovered that I wasn't for real. He would be sure
that he was throwing money down a rat hole if I was not for real. My
wife back in Parma Heights would not be my wife. I wonder if she would b
e a widow or just available if I weren't for real. If she is available
I would like to go back and do it all over. Boy what fun!! If she is a 
widow I think that I would woo her again as Ghost Dave(like Ghost Dad).
Rufus go suck your smuck.
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 22:21:53
Message Number  9186

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 THE ONE IN SARASOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/23/90 23:09:26
Message Number  9187

I thought the Pentateuch and most of the older books of the OT were
written in Hebrew, but only the later books of the prophets were 
written in Aramaic.  (It's been a long time since I took RN 200, the
details start to fuzz).
===========

From: ANGEL               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/23/90 23:19:58
Message Number  9188

> Kuwait was NOT a democracy before Iraq invaded; the Emir of Kuwait was
> an absolute monarch, and women were second-class citizens.
   Maybe I've lost the train of this message string, but did anyone
actually claim that Kuwait WAS a democracy?  Besides the U.S.'s
dubious record of propping up dictatorships, we also have a history of
bailing out monarchies.  For being a society that supposedly is proud
of our "title-less" freedom, we sure are impressed by other nation's
royalty.
   Gosh, was there a point here?  I wish I could remember what it was...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:13:42
Message Number  9189

"Better to go with the Evil you know than the Evil you don't know."
Stated in the United States as:
"Better to put back Evil you know and can control than go with the
Evil you know and can't control."
  
Which is to say, yeah, you are right...and yes, put back the former
government.  Because it is what was there...it was the status quo,
and I'm all for maintaining the status quo.   Besides, who would YOU
rather have in charge of Kuwait...given the choice of Saddam or the
Monarchy that was there?  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MMA                 
Subject: Ray Bradbury   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:17:27
Message Number  9190

Yes, he's an excellent author!  What was that book he wrote about the
carnival...Something Evil This Way Blows, or something like that? Now,
that was a good book.  I used to own a copy of Illustrated Man.
  Now, how about Clarke?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: THRUD               
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:21:46
Message Number  9191

Well spoken!  Uh...how did you get to be a retired specialist?  ANd
what MOS?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: MuSh-DOS       
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:26:33
Message Number  9192

Hmmm.  It seems that the inferior machine of IBM has quite a hold on
the business world.  If Amiga would lower thier prices (even more than
thier already low, low prices) and make their machines like the MS-DOS
machines, then more people would buy them.  Hmmm.  Course, they
would have to have a big advertising blitz.
  
 Don't ge me wrong...as good as the Amiga is, too many people just 
don't care...they don't know the difference, so they buy IBMs and 
the line propogates.  They don't know any better, and they don't care
to.   If it does what they need and it's as good as the Jones
machine, they buy it.  WHat a shame.  
 
  
Of course, it keeps money in my pocket!  As long as they buy them, and
don't know how to fix them, I'm working.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:34:11
Message Number  9193

Who in the HECK would *want* to look like a yuppie?
  
Nuke the YUPPIES!  (And their larvae, too.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:37:36
Message Number  9194

SPELLWIND> I'd become the president in 16 years...
BEATLE> I'd leave the country.
 
RUFUS> Wait for me.
  
Hey, you guys need a roomate?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: Ranea          
Date & Time: 07/24/90 00:42:52
Message Number  9195

Ok, ok...did I do somehtng wrong agian?  No one is posting in the
Ranean Tales section...NOt Rufus, not Turtle, not Max, not even
Spellwind (and he posts more than the rest!).  If no one is gonna post
then why have the spot?  Everyone has signed on.
===========

From: MMA                 
To: RUFUS               
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 02:19:25
Message Number  9196

What other books did they put there? There's a bible in every crowd.
(I'm not athiest,just stating a fact).
I wish that I had my books here,but there isn't enough room. 
===========

From: MMA                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/24/90 02:29:34
Message Number  9197

I'm not sure who you're referring to as 'clarke'. Have you read any of 
Robert Ludlum's or Tom Clancy's books?
They're great!
MMA
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 03:14:02
Message Number  9198

  OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd donate it to the united negro college fund and 
   kill myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Orders, orders 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 07:52:05
Message Number  9199

>onto that list???
  
Simple....Sysop's have "certain" abilities that make you either obey,
or loose your access......y'sm massa' Turtle-son
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Barb's         
Date & Time: 07/24/90 07:54:26
Message Number  9200

   Which Barb's are you referring to? I go to the one on S.R. 70, not
the one on Manatee Ave. or where ever that other one is...even thou I
have accidentally called the wrong number and reserved some movies at 
the wrong store....oooops. 
   Oh yeah...the orders "Get down here and pick up your movies, they've
come in"....If I don't immediately obey, I face untold consequences from
my family (who the movies are generally for). 
   Wait, you tellin' me that all those people in that place are over 18?
WOW, I could of swore a few were about 15-16 range.....hmmmmmm, I must
be loosing my ability to judge "kid's" ages.....<sob>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/24/90 07:59:06
Message Number  9201

>raising daughters...
  
Ah-ha!!! Another poor soul who knows what being "out voted" all the
time feels like!!! I went thru that for about 6 years, until my son
was born and evened things up again....but I swear somehow my wife
and daughter always seem to win the ties....hmmmmmmmm
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 07/24/90 08:03:52
Message Number  9202

Madchen, ich mocht zwanzig groBe weiss bier bitte. 
  
Well, after being out last night 'til 1am and going to the Buc's game, 
I think bier is the last thing on my mind this morning....so I'll save
that for the weekend. Usually <ALT-225> will get you the ess-tset, but
I guess a/r don't allow the full IBM character set....<sob>
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: THRUD               
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 07/24/90 08:08:31
Message Number  9203

It does appear that the same rules for objections to an order, go for
the business world as well as the military. Diplomacy is always
required, even during times of "peace". 
   So many of my fellow engineers have bit the big one because they
felt THEY were right and their BOSS was wrong, and rather then playing
office politics , they ATTACKED the decision and ended up working
somewhere else. One person CAN make a difference, as long as they know
how to apply their political strength to obtain their goals and don't
get macho and foolish and think management will do what is RIGHT....HA!
It's a game only in the sense of the amount of strategy that goes into
getting ahead or at least, surviving......
===========

From: MAX                 
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 13:22:51
Message Number  9204

>Almost all members are discouraged from individual thought.
>The ones that refuse to be submerged are at best unhappy as they
>for air in a sea of repression.  You are told that you should obey
>orders without question.
 
Oddly enough, this is exactly the /opposite/ argument that the Chris
Grant the Specialist & Yngling were reviling made recently -- that one
of the advantages of our military structure & training is that our
soldiers are a great deal more flexible than most, and that soldiers are
often rewarded for taking the initiative in a situation that requires
it.  And as has been pointed out several times in this discussion, the
Nuremburg trials completely discounted the "I was just following orders"
line as a valid excuse for doing things you could intuit are morally or
ethically bankrupt.
   At any rate, the military people I know have never been "submerged"
and out of six (counting the Specialist), only one of them came away
from the military with bad impressions -- not as much because of a "sea
of repression," but because of bureaucratic incompetence through the
chain of command.  I am sure there are many who /do/ fit the description
you gave, and there are probably far too many who believe that following
orders really does equate to turning off one's brain.  Saying that
everyone believes that, and that they are all "trained" to believe that,
is stretching things.  The few COs I have spoken with briefly all gave
me the impression that the higher up one goes, the more likely one is to
have demonstrated personal initiative -- which seems to be a strong
argument against the "you are rewarded for being an idiot" picture.
   Chris and I had a discussion about perception of the military, and it
seems a lot of people's ideas come from two schools -- typified by the
movies "Top Gun" and "Platoon."  According to a lot of soldiers, they ar
BOTH equally unrealistic.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/24/90 13:35:06
Message Number  9205

Tandy peripherals have never been non-standard on the IBMs -- the Tandy
specific cards are ones that are shorter, as a lot of the Tandy models
don't accept full-length IBM cards.  Most of the 1000 series except for
the originals (1000 and 1000A) aren't all that bad, just not all that
good... :)
 
> A good indicator in my book to stay away from a machine is if it has
> a special entry in a software installation. Look at most games and you
> must buy a Tandy version.
 
Not true.  The reason that most games have specific Tandy switches is
that the Tandy CGA mode supports 16 colors instead of 4, and a lot of
games will have improved color if you tell them you're running on a
Tandy.  Also, most Tandy machines have a built-in 3-voice music
synthesizer, and some games (although far too few) will also take
advantage of that if you tell them to.  If you buy an IBM version and
run it on the Tandy, or run them without specifying a command-line
switch to tell it you're a Tandy machine, they'll still run, but they'll
lose the extra graphics & sound capabilities.  You don't HAVE to buy a
Tandy version ... but given a choice, you should.
 
> You can still build your own clone for cheap.
 
This is Raven's argument, too.  The proper response is, "No, YOU can
still build your own clone for cheap" -- 99% of the people in the world
would rather have it come ready-to-run out of the box, a brand name they
know on the case and a 1-year warranty supported by a company that has
stores on every street corner, even if it means paying 40% more for the
product.  If that wasn't the case, Heathkit would be the world's largest
electronic/computer chain....
===========

From: MAX                 
To: DIRTY WRAT          
Subject: Steak & Shake  
Date & Time: 07/24/90 13:48:54
Message Number  9206

> ...Steak & Shake is still alive in Tampa, too.
 
Yes, I know, and it's 24 hours there, too, instead of "open when the
mood strikes us" like the Bradenton one is now.
 
By the way, I thought "Wrat(t)" had two "t"'s in it -- at least it did
when you drew the wizard in Lance Rund's sketchbook (yesterday was the
first time I saw that picture, oddly enough).
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 13:51:42
Message Number  9207

Actually, the most valid reasons for being over there may be to (a)
protect our allies, and (b) to contain Saddam Hussein.  Kuwait was never
a great friend of America, although they weren't antagonistic, and they
had the sort of monarchy that America was founded to get away from.  If
Saudi Arabia wasn't in danger of being invaded, and Kuwait wasn't a
significant source of oil for the Western world, I sincerely doubt we
would be over there.  The risk is obviously NOT minimal, despite what
some people would like to think (hell, it's still a battlefield
situation even if shots haven't been fired yet), and despite what OTHERS
would like to believe about President Bush, I don't think he would send
troops into a situation where the potential return for the risk of war
is essentially neglible.  (That's the biggest argument against our
involvement in Vietnam, IMHO -- people can argue about whether or not we
could have won or what we should have done differently until time ends,
but even if everything had gone splendidly, we still would have lost
thousands of soldiers merely to uphold the image of America as Champion
Of The Oppressed, regardless of the fact that neither side in Vietnam
was particularly admirable.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 13:59:47
Message Number  9208

There are comparative religion classes -- one could theoretically take a
few of those, along with some more in-depth classes.  I'd add a class
in Paganism to the major religions, just to round things out (and
because the various Pagan religions are really some of the more
interesting ones out there, and in some ways more logical, or at least
consistent, than any of the major, established ones).
 
Of course, from my own experience and from talking with others, taking a
few good courses in comparative religion generally leads people to
atheism or agnosticism, or occasionally to a religion that does not
demand believers follow it as "the one true path to salvation."  It's
very difficult to "know" something completely and utterly in your heart
when you realize there are a lot of other people out there who know
something completely and utterly CONTRADICTORY with the same degree of
certainty.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 07/24/90 14:09:50
Message Number  9209

>I don't find myself calling out with anything 
>other than DTerm (for LS-DOS) or TERMIII (for Z-System).
 
I hope you never find yourself calling out with Term III.  I'll see if
there's an IMP overlay for the COMM-180 (I just saw a MEX overlay for
the ON! ... so anything's possible).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THRUD               
Subject: spouses (spice?
Date & Time: 07/24/90 17:06:45
Message Number  9211

>...after 300 hours of wild sex, I'd want my 'puter.
 
I'd want my MTV.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Huh, The Sequel
Date & Time: 07/24/90 17:11:40
Message Number  9213

>Rufus would probably claim he was all the better for it anyway.
 
In the grand scheme of things, foorsooth, it is better to be a lock
than a key, for verily, a key without a lock serves no useful purpose
but a lock without a key can still function. Locking a directory entry
should be a standard DOS function, since verily doth it make a file
you are writing less prone to farklement. A farkled file is a thing of
wonder, but not a joy forever. May the Force be with you.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DAVID MILLER        
Subject: cousin         
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:07:54
Message Number  9214

>So that is what you think of me.
 
I didn't say a damned thing about what I think of you.
 
>Well here I thought that Roofs made good protectors...
 
I am not a Roof.
 
>Could this be a character defect.
 
Your character, yes.  My character, no.
 
>I am ashamed that I confided in you my feelings about roofs and 
>shingles.  I shall not do that again.
 
Oh darn.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: DAVID MILLER        
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:11:49
Message Number  9215

>Rufus go suck your smuck.
 
Well, what warranted that comment?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:13:31
Message Number  9216

>AAA...RRR...GGG...HHH...!!!
 
So, you've had a bad week also?  Luckily I woke up this morning, and
realized it was winterish, so I'm happy.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:16:07
Message Number  9217

>Who in the HECK would *want* to look like a yuppie?
 
Ghods only knows.
 
>Nuke the YUPPIES!  (And their larvae, too.)
 
Yeah, damned right!  More power to ya!  And may the aardvark of 
happiness lick your toes.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:17:23
Message Number  9218

SPELLWIND> I'd become the president in 16 years...
BEATLE> I'd leave the country.
RUFUS> Wait for me.
THE SPECIALIST> Hey, you guys need a roomate?
 
Sure.  Say, you think you'll have your car done by then?  The faster we
get out, the better off we'll be.  And do you think it'll still do 170
with a U-Haul in back?  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Ranea          
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:19:25
Message Number  9219

>NOt Rufus...
 
Hey, I'm collecting all the messages, sorting them out, then realizing
I've gotta identify 16 trillion body parts, do 50 math problems, and
figure out why I can buy more wheat than greebies....
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MMA                 
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:20:47
Message Number  9220

What books?  Err, I know there were two copies of something like 
"The Big Book of Baseball stats for 1988" or something like that.
I'll look tommorow and see what else they have.  Of course, if we did
something like that, I'd probably donate "The Watchmen" or some William
Gibson books.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SPELLWIND           
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:22:44
Message Number  9221

>OK!!!!!!!!!! I'd donate it to the united negro college fund and
> kill myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Now now, don't get hasty.  Give me the money...then do whatever you
want with your life.  Just kidding.  What would BBSing be like without
Spellwind?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Barb's         
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:24:27
Message Number  9222

>I must be loosing my ability to judge "kid's" ages...
 
Well, ya get a cross section of em, and count the rings.  Each ring is
one year.
 
    ....or is that for trees?
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:36:31
Message Number  9223

>If you're interested, I can reply in more detail
Please do.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: KEN SABLE           
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 18:40:07
Message Number  9224

>You should acll my board...
Sure, and if I did everyone would point at me and whisper "/He's/ the
one who aclled The Armadillo Connection!"  I have enough to burden my
conscience and screw up my karma thank you.
                                  The Yngling
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MMA                 
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/24/90 19:54:38
Message Number  9225

Arthur C. Clarke?  Y'know, "Space Oddessy" and all that?  
 
Robert Ludlum sounds familiar, as does Tom Clancy...what did they write?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 19:59:11
Message Number  9226

Actually, the impression he gave you (obey or be repressed) is 
sometimes true...it depends largely on what field you are in and 
who your CO is....  Also, personal initiative is rewarded only when
it is along military lines.  (Re-structuring to streamline, which
benifits the military is a world apart from debating the wisdom of
troop movements with your CO, or ordering your troops to a different
positions in contradiction to the CO without a damn good reason [like
endangerment of life and limb].)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:04:31
Message Number  9227

M>The proper response is, "No, ...
  
 Is this to say that any response other than this would be improper,
ie, wrong?  
M>99% of the people in the world would rather have it come ready
  
Hmmm.  99%?   You certainly do sound very sure of your figures.
  
M>...Heathkit would be the world's largest electronic/computer chain....
 
Oh, I don't know...Turtle likes 'em.
  
(Can't wait to see the replies to this one...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:09:29
Message Number  9228

I agree with you.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Teach Religion 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:10:42
Message Number  9229

Again, I agree with you. 
 
This is a disturbing trend.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:11:50
Message Number  9230

T>Funny you should mention that; my phone line is still tapped (and it's
T>doing Bad Things to my phone service quality...)
 
What?  Your phone line is tapped?  How do you know?  When did this 
start?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:14:05
Message Number  9231

DM>Rufus go suck your shmuck.
DM>
R> Well, what warranted that comment?
R>
  
Maybe he's fustrated because he can't tell you what he thinks of 
Roofs anymore.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/24/90 20:16:13
Message Number  9232

SP>...prez...
B>...leaving...
R>...hey, wait...
TS>...roomate?
R>...do 170 with a U-Haul in back?
  
Uh, sure.  But you guys gotta pay for the gas...we'll be stopping every 
30 miles or so.   Hmmm.  Wait, lemme hook up a blower.
===========

From: MMA                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: wild sex       
Date & Time: 07/24/90 22:51:47
Message Number  9234

>>...after 300 hours of wild sex, I'd want my 'puter.
>I'd want my MTV
 
I'd want a cigarette.
 
===========

From: MMA                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/24/90 23:05:53
Message Number  9238

I'll have to check one of his books out, I've never read his work before
. 
Tom Clancy wrote the book "The Hunt For Red October" and others.
Robert Ludlum wrote The Bourne Identity,The bourne Supremacy,and The 
Bourne Ultimatum. He has also written a great many other books.
 
MMA
===========

From: MAX                 
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/25/90 14:52:53
Message Number  9240

Personally, I'd get an Amiga as my next computer if I was going to spend
over $1K on a machine.  (You can get Amigas for less than that, I know,
but if I got an Amiga I would want it to be an Amiga 3000 -- the stuff
I'd want to use it for would require several megs of memory and a 68030
w/math coprocessor.)  There are a few programs I'd like to be able to
run that so far only exist on the IBM, like a text editor called VEDIT
(actually, VEDIT also exists for Z-System machines -- not for Amigas,
though) and GEnie's "front door" program, Aladdin, and WordStar, my
favorite word processor next to AllWrite.  However, those programs
aren't sufficient justification to not get an Amiga -- I'd learn to make
do with Excellence 2.0 for word processing, and live without Aladdin.
(Or just see if I could get a used XT for $200 or so just to run
WordStar & Aladdin on it, which would probably blow a few fuses 'round
the IBM boards in Sarasota.  I already told somebody at Computerland
that I only use MS-DOS for modeming, and do everything serious on a
TRS-80 or CP/M machine.  He looked at me like I had just flown here from
Pluto.)
    At any rate, unless you have to give price a significantly higher
weight over performance, or you need to run programs that only exist in
the MS-DOS world, I'd still suggest going with the Amiga.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ODEN                
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/25/90 15:15:45
Message Number  9241

Get the Amiga, dude.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Mike           
Date & Time: 07/25/90 15:17:40
Message Number  9242

>Mike, you don't know diddly.
 
But Rufus knows electron spin!
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: offensive?
Date & Time: 07/25/90 18:21:59
Message Number  9243

Which religion were you planning to teach in the public schools? Therein
lies the rub.  If we include one shouldnt we include them all?  Now I
see no problem with a "Religions of the World" type course as long as it
is elective.
                                      The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: THRUD               
Subject: Military Servic
Date & Time: 07/25/90 18:32:29
Message Number  9244

Much as I dislike the Kennedy dynasty...those involved in his admin-
istration (JFK's of course) have revealed that he actually planned to
pull out of Vietnam much to the dismay of Lyndon B. "Just Call Me Mr.
Escalation" Johnson.  Had he lived, I think history would have called
JFK many things, but I doubt Warmonger would have been one of them.
                                   The Yngling
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/25/90 18:56:21
Message Number  9245

Re: Calling the Armadillo Connection
>I have enough to burden my conscience and screw up my karm thank you.
 
Well then, why don't you call Uncle Bob's?  Listen to what Shirly the 
Loon has to say: "Like, lunchmeat, call Uncle Bob's.  It's good for your
karma.  It's, like, almost as good as an out of body experience."
 
 
Okay, so she didn't say that, but I suppose she might.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MMA                 
Subject: banned books   
Date & Time: 07/25/90 19:02:48
Message Number  9247

Well, I was in the library this morning and went to check out the
Senior bookcase.  Seems they decided to put all the books somewhere
in the library in order, and replace them with every damned issue of
National Geographic.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Infinity       
Date & Time: 07/25/90 22:47:33
Message Number  9249

>Infinity, Inc. Bringing you more relatives than you ever dreamed of.
 
Ahem! Lawyers representing Infinity Ltd. (a subsidiary of Anarchy Now,
Inc.) will be contacting you soon about a potential copyright conflict
with "Infinity, Inc."...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DAVID MILLER        
Subject: cousin         
Date & Time: 07/25/90 22:50:13
Message Number  9250

Personal attacks are out of line. I would appreciate if you would cease
harassing Rufus--and, for that matter, any other user on this system.
Thank you.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DAVID MILLER        
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 07/25/90 22:52:12
Message Number  9251

>I am real as Turtle will discover when he confirms me.
 
In case you slept through the new-user logon procedure, here's a quick
recap:
 
This is an open system. There are no new-user verification procedures,
no applications for user accounts, and no validation.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Debate!        
Date & Time: 07/25/90 22:53:43
Message Number  9252

>I thought the Pentateuch and most of the older books of the OT were
>written in Hebrew...
 
Yes. Actually, the first seven books of the Old Testament were written
in Hebrew, I believe (can't locate my reference book so I can't verify
that at this moment). I believe (again not sure) that the first section
of the Apocrypha (Tobit and Judith) were also originally written in
Hebrew.
 
...just some more trivia from your friendly neighborhood godless heathen
reptile.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ANGEL               
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:01:59
Message Number  9253

>Gosh, was there a point here?
 
Yes. Point being: Defending U.S. involvement in the Middle East on the
grounds that we are there to protect freedom and human rights is a
dubious proposition.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:03:07
Message Number  9254

>...who would YOU rather have in charge of Kuwait...
 
Almost anybody /but/ Saddam, truth be known. I'm not saying we
absolutely shouldn't be there; I'm saying that American involvement in
Kuwait is based on a desire to restore freedom to the area doesn't
wash.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Ray Bradbury   
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:05:34
Message Number  9255

"Something Wicked This Way Comes" is the name of Bradbury's carnival
story--/excellent/ story. (Good movie, too.) Ray Bradbury in general is
usually quite good, although I've read some Bradbury that wasn't all
that impressive.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:11:05
Message Number  9256

>Who in the HECK would *want* to look like a yuppie?
 
Um...someone who wanted to marry one for his/her money and then kill
that person in some appropriate fashion? Hmm...I wonder if you could
consider that to be a criminal activity.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:12:37
Message Number  9257

SPELLWIND>I'd become the president in 16 years...
BEATLE>I'd leave the country.
RUFUS>Wait for me.
SPECIALIST>Hey, you guys need a roommate?
 
I'm with you. Maybe we could charter a bus...
 
...but then again, could he really be worse than Reagan?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Orders, orders 
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:15:17
Message Number  9258

>y'sm massa' Turtle-son
 
Oh, cut that out.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Steak & Shake  
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:19:51
Message Number  9259

Wrat /does/ have two "T"'s, if it's written by hand. On a typewriter,
computer, or similar device, the extra "T" goes away; something about
electromagnetic interference that causes a mutual consonant repulsion,
or something.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: quoting        
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:22:33
Message Number  9260

>I just saw a MEX overlay for the ON!
 
You mean people actually, well, like, own ON!s and, like, use them and
stuff? I always looked at them with this sort of mythical awe; figure
anyone who'd own one would also likely be the kind of person to write
his own combination database/expert system/terminal/space shuttle
control problem in straight assembly. Scary scary scary...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Military stuff 
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:27:57
Message Number  9261

MAX>...the higher up one goes...the more likely one is to have
MAX>shown initiative...
 
SPECIALIST>Actually, the impression he gave you (obey or be repressed)
SPECIALIST>is sometimes true...
 
Now THERE'S an exchange I never thought I'd see!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:30:31
Message Number  9262

My phone line's been tapped (on and off) since shortly after A/R went
up. I've verified it several ways: by experiencing several dozen muting
failures on my line, by doing a remote phone sweep, and by noticing the
fact that whenever I experience a rash of muting failures, there's
always this pecuiliar 60Hz hum in the phone line, kinda like, say,
a ground fault...Anyway, I don't know who's doing it, but it pisses
me off.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MMA                 
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:33:30
Message Number  9263

Yes, I was always under the impression that tapping a phone required
a court order...and I'm already on AT&T.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/25/90 23:36:05
Message Number  9264

>Okay, so she didn't say that, but I suppose she might.
 
If you pay her enough money, sure.
===========

From: MMA                 
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Nat. Geographic
Date & Time: 07/26/90 04:35:32
Message Number  9269

Hmmm.... Maybe they've been saving them too long,like many families do,
and they wanted to circulate them in the hopes that they won't be return
ed. keep a few,and you might see some books reappear. :)
MMA
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: help           
Date & Time: 07/26/90 16:03:44
Message Number  9271

>This is an open system...no validation
What?! You mean I can't get my parking ticket validated?  Well damn.
See if I shop here again.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/26/90 16:07:37
Message Number  9272

A /legal/ tap recquires a court order if initiated by an outside agency.
I BELIEVE the phone cops can tap at will.  Not unlike asking the 
operator to verify conversation on a line - she/he doesnt ask permission
of the customer, she just listens in.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/26/90 17:52:07
Message Number  9273

>WHO IS "CLARKE!?" * gasp * choke * shudder *
 
Thank you. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who fell out of my chair
when I saw that...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/26/90 17:53:17
Message Number  9274

Hmm...I think that if the phone company were tapping my line, they'd
probably do a better job of it. This phone line hum is getting /real/
annoying. Figure that leaves out GTE, and probably any real law
enforcement agency as well (you'd think the cops'd be able to do a
competent job as well), so who does that leave??? A private citizen
probably wouldn't have access to a modem tap...grr.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: German         
Date & Time: 07/26/90 18:00:40
Message Number  9275

> I guess a/r don't allow the full IBM character set....
 
I certainly wouldn't.  Only full IBMs can display them, and writing a
TCAP driver for a BBS that knows the extended characters for most
terminals and does two-way translation would be a great deal more
trouble than it's worth.  (Being an egalitarian weenie, I figure that
if everyone on the system who has a terminal capable of doing an action
isn't allowed to do it by the BBS software, the BBS software isn't
doing its job.  PBBS gets around this, of course, by knowing absolutely
nothing about any terminals at all, and treats everyone equally badly.)
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/26/90 18:07:43
Message Number  9276

Well, obviously flouting your CO most of the time, usurping his orders
and looking for ways to nitpick on everything isn't going to get you
lots of warm accolades.  This is not exclusively military; in civilian
life, you merely get fired rather than court-martialed, but the same
rule of thumb is at work.  But presumably, that wasn't the sort of thing
people were talking about; there's a significant difference between
"I don't think raping those villagers is a good idea" and "no, you
idiot, that's all wrong -- let me run the unit and show you how it's
done."
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/26/90 18:12:24
Message Number  9277

Don't be a weenie.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Something      
Date & Time: 07/26/90 18:16:44
Message Number  9278

Well, I've met yuppies who weren't that bad.  Of course, they were
kind of "fringe yuppies" instead of the die-hard, Michael Milken-loving
types who still can't believe "The Donald" fell down & went boom.
===========

From: BURNEY              
To: ODEN                
Subject: C64            
Date & Time: 07/26/90 19:18:00
Message Number  9281

Whats wrong with my little C64.  It got me on this thing.  
===========

From: MMA                 
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Clarke         
Date & Time: 07/27/90 01:56:45
Message Number  9284

Well, Who is he? 
MMA
===========

From: MMA                 
To: TURTLE              
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/27/90 01:58:26
Message Number  9285

Ok,wiseguy. I hope you didn't hurt yourself falling out of your chair.
I recognise book titles better than authors. What did he write? 
mma
===========

From: MMA                 
To: BURNEY              
Subject: C64            
Date & Time: 07/27/90 02:03:23
Message Number  9286

>What's wrong with my little C64. It got me on this thing.
 
It's name is over 3 letters long,and it's not big or blue.
See ya 'round.
MMA
(smartass at large)
===========

From: SPELLWIND           
To: ...                 
Subject: Ugh....        
Date & Time: 07/27/90 11:07:46
Message Number  9288

   
    Guess what I heard on a 700 Club commercial?
 
 If 'Christians' don't rule the world, Someone else will...
 
                  (belch)
              I'm sure the wolrd would be better...without THEM ruling..
===========

From: MAX                 
To: MMA                 
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/27/90 13:03:00
Message Number  9289

Arthur C. Clarke won the Hugo and Nebula awards for the novels
RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA and CHILDHOOD'S END, and also wrote the short
story "The Sentinel," which Stanley Kubrick based the movie "2001: A
Space Odyssey" on.  Clarke also wrote the novel for 2001, along with
two sequels (a third and final one is in the works), and most recently
wrote RAMA II and CRADLE, co-authored with Gentry Lee.  He is also
considered, along with Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein, to be one of
the "old masters" of science fiction, which is probably why Turtle and
the Yngling were astounded at your knowledge gap.
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Computer Values
Date & Time: 07/27/90 14:53:34
Message Number  9290

Thank You Turtle ... You have finally seen the light!  :)  Actually, I
really didn't mean to get you pissed about saying you should rub Opus ..
I'll try not to get you pissed off in the near future, since you are a
good friend and I don't want friends mad at me ...
 
::Sniff::  ::Sniff::  How ROMANTIC!!!!!   :)
===========

From: KEN SABLE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/27/90 14:59:02
Message Number  9291

> ...but then again, could he really be worse than Reagan?
 
Yes -- Reagan had the ability to choose a good staff, which took over 
when he fell asleep at meetings
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Banded bobcats 
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:04:57
Message Number  9292

Now let's examine this closely:
>if the phone company...they'd probably do a better job of it
Do you obtain your phone service from the /same/ GTE that I do?  Man,
that's like a quantum leap in logic.  The poor quality of the tap in-
dicates that it's /probably/ the Phone Police.
>you'd think the cops'd be able to do a competent job...
Yes, you'd think so - but we know better don't we?  But unless you're
involved in some illegal activity I'm unaware of, I can't see locals
maintaining the tap for so long.  
 Again, assuming you're not a Soviet dupe or an Iraqui, I can't see the
Feds maintaining interest in A/R or your private conversations for this
long.
  And for a private concern to attempt a tap, let alone maintain it for
so long, especially since it would involve monitoring a carrier wave,
would be awfully expensive.
  This leaves two probabilities:
     1) GTE
     2) You are not the interest of the monitoring agency.  Perhaps the
        interest is in someone who uses this bbs regularly - which might
        also explain why other local bbs'es appear to be monitored on a
        regular basis.
  And one possiblity:
     1) A smartass who's just doing it for kicks, for practice, or as 
        part of a personal vendetta against you.
Of course, there are always options which I might have overlooked.
                                   The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MMA                 
Subject: Clarke         
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:21:46
Message Number  9293

*snick* *snick* *dripdripdripdripdripdripdrip, ad infinitum.
[the sounds you have just heard are of The Yngling cutting his wrists]
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: MAX                 
Subject: authors        
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:24:47
Message Number  9294

I was /not/ astounded at MMA's "knowledge gap."  Apalled, dismayed,sad-
denned,sickened,shocked, and surprised...but not /astounded./  I havent
been /astounded/ since I was about 10 years old and found a VERY hard 
core pornographic magazine by the side of the road, the very title of
which is enough to either arouse or repulse (depending on the individual
of course) the average male American.  
                                The Yngling
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Kuwait         
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:44:19
Message Number  9295

T>Defending US involvement...on grounds...protect freedom and human
T>rights...dubious proposition.
  
Well said, except I would have said "on the *sole* grounds".  Believe
it or not, we aren't there just because we want the oil.  
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Ray Bradbury   
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:47:32
Message Number  9296

I agree, but most of his stuff is good enough that I can say that I like
most of his work...
  
but no one ever answered my question about how they liked Arthur C. 
Clarke!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Yuppie Scum    
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:48:45
Message Number  9297

TS>Who in the HECK would *want* to look like a yuppie?
TS>
T>...someone who would marry [them for thier money] and then kill [them]
T>
Hmmm.  Possible, but who could *stand* being married to one?  Ugh!
Scarred for life.
T>
T>...I wonder if you could consider that to be a criminal activivy.
T>
Seems to me it would depend on who was in the jury.  Course, I guess
that it wouldn't matter, though...you are supposed to be tried by
"a jury of your peers".  There is not a yuppie alive who is "peer"
to me, so I'd probably get off free on it. 
  
  
...unless the judge was a yuppie...Oh, NO!
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: SP FOR PREZ... 
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:53:39
Message Number  9298

T>...but then again, could he really be worse than Reagan?
  
Uh....
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Military stuff 
Date & Time: 07/27/90 16:56:25
Message Number  9299

T>Now THERE'S an exchange I never thought I'd see!
 
???  Huh?  I don't understand why you said that.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Previous Msg   
Date & Time: 07/27/90 17:01:15
Message Number  9300

I only used that for an example...did you get the idea I was trying to
put across?
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