From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/20/90 06:34:46
Message Number  3852

>...found a video store that has "The Stuff." 
 
  I've heard of that. I was ice cream if I remember properly. Although,
it could be yogurt. I never saw it. Anyway, it's hard to believe you 
haven't seen that in a video store. I've seen it in a few around my area
... I could find just about anything if I get the incredible urge. The 
people all over Manatee and Sarasota counties must've got sick and tired
of me calling up for movies that only Martians on hallucinogens would 
want to see. A friend and I did come to the conclusion that no video 
store around here is brave enough to carry "Santa Claus Conquers the 
Martians."
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 06:41:05
Message Number  3853

 >difficult to tell what movies...can and can't show...
 
  But, as in the case you mentioned, a big enough fuss can be made to 
keep people from seeing the film. I heard something a while back that 
was going to be a new obscenity law somewhere, and because of the 
impending threat, vendors pulled 
some R-rated tapes. That was going a bit far. The law never came out I 
guess, because the tapes went back on the shelves. The only movie I can 
remember being pulled was "Animal House"... I'm sure once I see it 
uneditted, I see why it was pulled...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/20/90 06:46:14
Message Number  3854

  I haven't seen any episodes of TMNT, but do you think because of all
the hype, they are conforming to a typical kiddie fare, aka: crap??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/20/90 06:48:57
Message Number  3855

>...anatomically correct...seven-foot-tall purple bears with laser guns.
 
  Now, THAT has to be the oddest thing I have ever heard of. I'm not 
sure if I actually want to see that, but I have a strange curiosity.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: no problem...  
Date & Time: 04/20/90 06:55:01
Message Number  3856

>...and I'll be all set...
 
  Did ya forget something in that message? It would help in Fidoing if 
you have the software...
                     -- An annoying literal Beatle
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 07:13:08
Message Number  3857

>...and The Martian Chronicles.
 
 I was wondering when that would come up. I knew /someone/ would be out 
to get that book.
 
> I never could understand /that/ one...
 
 I suppose you're talking about why people don't like the book (Trying 
not to use the word "banning", as hinted in an earlier message). Well, I
read it and it was an excellent book. Those people just don't want us 
young people to read some curse words. That's about all I saw to be 
censored from that book. It also had some violence, but that wasn't bad.
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/20/90 14:22:10
Message Number  3858

They're not crap because of all the hype; the TMNT cartoons are crap
because they're bad, plain and simple.  Immense popularity may have
little to do with quality, but that works both ways--just because
something /is/ immensely popular doesn't somehow make it bad.  The
Turtles cartoons are bad not because they're being treated as a
children's show, and they're not even bad because they're using cheap
animation companies.  They're bad because the writers are hoseheads,
and have made the Turtles into California surf dudes with a collective
IQ roughly equal to a large Domino's pizza with anchovies and extra
cheese.  And, by making the Shredder and his ninja clan virtually
identical to, say, Cobra on "G.I. Joe," they've cleverly limited the
plot possibilities the same way the "Joe" creators did--every episode
has to have a nefarious plot by Shredder that the Turtles have to stop
in a five-minute action sequence near the end of each episode, during
which nobody can get seriously hurt.  Replace "Turtles" with "G.I. Joe
Team" and "Shredder" with "Cobra", and you have the same formula.  You'd
think somebody at the Turtles' studio would have noticed that the most
popular, longest-running & best-received afternoon 'toons of recent
years--"Duck Tales" and "Real Ghostbusters"--don't have the same tunnel
vision about plot complications, but evidently you'd be wrong.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/20/90 17:33:07
Message Number  3859

"Santa Claus Conquers the Martians"--now /that/ sounds like a real
classic. I want to see that one--seems like it could even be up there
with "Killer Klowns From Space"...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/20/90 17:35:38
Message Number  3860

>I'm not sure if I actually want to see that...
 
No, you don't. Watching seven-foot-tall purple bears engage in sexual
intercourse in three-frame-per-second animation is about as entertaining
as listening to a chorus of thirteen-year-old crack addicts reciting
Pi to seven thousand decimal places over a cheap Radio Shack bullhorn.
                     --An unimpressed Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: +ALL+               
Subject: Download Time! 
Date & Time: 04/20/90 17:39:30
Message Number  3861

Now available in the download area: another file about the PC-Z, plus
a description of the PC-Z's graphics card (eat your heart out, chintzy
VGA!) and a proposal for a new Z-280 based personal computer. If you
like IBM machines and think the 80486 is the latest word in
sophisticated high-technology, you'd best not read it; you'll only hurt
yourself. On the other hand, if you have an interest in /really/ 
powerful machines, I suggest you check it out; it will probably interest
you.
               --A Z Turtle
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/20/90 18:17:23
Message Number  3862

>...and I'd have trouble fitting the unicorn in the back seat.
     
   Well, just convince the Raven and the Fox (if he's going to be 
part... I haven't heard this...) to ride on the wings. No problem.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/20/90 18:20:13
Message Number  3863

>...I bet that pesky ceiling fan would get in the way.
     
   It would get in the way of my HORN, too! 
   Actually, I know what you mean about storage space. I tamed a small
black hole to hide all my papers in. Unfortunately, it sometimes gets
hungry. Usually when I insert homework.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: The six        
Date & Time: 04/20/90 18:22:22
Message Number  3864

Well, hmph! Do you have to bring REALITY into this? Guacamole.
Anyway, the original intent of my message was of furry FEN, not
animated (or written) furries...
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A short LINE   
Date & Time: 04/20/90 18:23:56
Message Number  3865

>Why? On a macroscopic level, the universe /is/ ordered.
  
How far macrosocpic? The galaxies are strewn randomly throughout the
universe. Although stars themselves revolve around the galactic center,
within those limits, they're not very well ordered. 
    
   At one point, the universe might have been well ordered. Then the
Big Bang came, and entropy has ruled since. The universe is rapidly 
losing order.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/20/90 18:31:19
Message Number  3866

"Santa Claus MEETS the Martians" is available at one BlockBuster
Video store in Jacksonville.
             Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 21:02:34
Message Number  3867

The last one sounds like many of the religious pamplets that
one finds all over the place.  Gee isn't the logic of fanatict great!
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/20/90 21:08:23
Message Number  3868

You may wish to look into miniscribe SCSI drives.  Apple is using them
after having a bad experiance with Seagate 40meg SCSI (ST-157N).  The
Quantum is good as long as the ROM on the drive is version 10 or later.
 
           Raven
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/20/90 21:25:17
Message Number  3869

I'm game.  But can I bite the fox if he ends up on the same wing?  
Pleeease      Pleease       can I, can I        huh huh huh!!!!????
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:07:48
Message Number  3870

  Hey, maybe he managed to gea spare stealth bomber from the government.
He could evade the speed traps that way!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:10:48
Message Number  3871

>...and I'm ready for a really shitty day...
 
  You should have had one of my days from the past week or so. They 
weren't too bad, but, hey, I didn't like 'em. And to top it off, it's 
1:20 AM, and there are people driving slowly down the street. I also 
swear I heard a shot earlier... (no fooling, I'm not making this up!!) I
need to get a good psychiatrist... I need help!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:23:59
Message Number  3872

  You know, kids, this is Dave.... no, seriously... no one seems to have
noticed that I mistyped the subject of this message chain when I started
it... take a look.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:30:46
Message Number  3873

>"Santa Claus Conquers the Martians"
 
 Yep, it's out there. We just need to look for it. I think we should 
reference some of those books on movies. They seem to be quite complete.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:32:56
Message Number  3874

>...crack addicts reciting Pi to seven thousand decimal places over a 
>cheap Radio Shack bullhorn.
 
 Turtle, save that message. I have to show  that to some people. It 
might go well in the next Mythagoras... also, it makes me think: What 
happened to the supposed "Best of Alter Reality"???
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Jam            
Date & Time: 04/21/90 01:37:16
Message Number  3875

>"Santa Claus MEETS the Martians"
 
 Hmmmm.... serious research time needed. This has to be sorted out/
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A short POINT  
Date & Time: 04/21/90 05:58:28
Message Number  3876

>The universe is rapidly losing order.
 
That's not all it's losing. I don't know why, but I just can't keep a
pair of socks in this universe. It keeps losing them. I hate that,
because then I have to wear socks of different thicknesses and it
makes my shoes sound funny. Actually, they don't really /sound/
funny, but when you're an auditory-fixative personality like I am
you tend to express your entire worldviewq using sound-oriented 
metaphors. And your worldview-no-q, too. See, it's like this--it's
kinda like how sometimes things are similar, and at other times they're
not because they're different from what they were when they were the
same. I hate when that happens, too. Veet! Veet!
                       --A disoriented Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 06:03:01
Message Number  3877

>Hey, maybe he managed to [get a] spare stealth bomber from the
>government. He could evade speed traps that way!
 
And you think that's in jest, boy. There's a firm in California
that manufactures those front-end covers for cars from radar-absorbent
material; it reduces the car's RCS (radar cross-section) by a factor
of about 10, so a radar installation that can normally clock the
car from 1,000 feet can't even "see" it until it's only 100 feet away,
by which time the driver's had ample opportunity to slow down. If
you're driving a Corvette, it gets even better; the body is fiberglass,
all you need to do is pad the ends of the axles, the engine compartment,
and the chassis edges with RAM and the car is essentially radar-
invisible. I know someone who's actually done that, in fact; he runs
an icehouse in Pinellas Park.
              --A high-tech Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/21/90 06:08:29
Message Number  3878

>Turtle, save that message.
 
doesn't your terminal program have a capture function?
 
>What happened to the supposed "Best of Alter Reality"???
 
It's been put on hold indefinitely, or at least until I have time to 
work on it again. I started it, and got about 1/5th of the way through
the first section of captured messages, but kinda ran out of time.
Maybe soon, though...
               --A busy Turtle
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: RAVEN               
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 09:18:19
Message Number  3879

>But can I bite the fox if he ends up on the same wing?
     
    Somehow or another, I think the fox will have more pressing things
on his mind than bothering you. But... well, okay. If you just nip
him a little.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Furry Paries   
Date & Time: 04/21/90 09:20:33
Message Number  3880

So, what are wrong with Furry Paries, anyway? Might be fun.
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A short POINT  
Date & Time: 04/21/90 09:21:45
Message Number  3881

The law of conservation of mass and energy in the universe states that
the sum total of E+mc*c must be conserved throughout the universe 
(though the law of entropy says that the energy gets harder and harder
to use (and Hofstadter's law speaks "Everything takes longer than you
realize, even when you take Hofstadter's law into account.")) Therefore,
there are several possibilities as to where the missing socks went:
    1. Though their component atoms all still exist, they have been
       chemically transformed into portions of a new structure or
       structures. 
    2. Though the chemical bonds remain, they have been shredded and
       repackaged into a new form or forms.
    3. A nuclear transformation has hit a sufficient number of the
       atoms in the socks to transmute them into a heavier element,
       such as gold.
    4. They have spontaneously completely and totally converted into
       energy, and will now power the state of Florida for the next
       five years.
Of course, any combination of the above might possibly have happened;
perhaps radioactively tagging your socks will significantly improve
the likelyhood of discovering which (if any) of the above might have
happened to the socks. The only fault of radioactively tagging socks
is that of growing cotton in heavy water. Plants tend to self-terminate
under such conditions. Sprinkling plutonium on a freshly-bought pair
of socks seems the best solution.
                      The ever-helpful Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: THRUD               
To: ALL                 
Subject: Are you there? 
Date & Time: 04/21/90 12:51:02
Message Number  3882

Where's my old Nemisis ? Missed you since the last showdown. How 'bout
Blondes, Fanny or What 'is name, the limey car salesman who never stood
a chance. Ring me, I can still whip you all. Especially Blondes. Schuss.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Animation      
Date & Time: 04/21/90 14:19:17
Message Number  3884

  I wonder if Tyler and I took the captured message blocks and sorted 
through them for you, it might produce an interesting "Best of AR"...
  Of course, we might miss something that should be left in. Or possibly
we shouldn't even mess with the thing at all...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/21/90 15:20:49
Message Number  3885

"Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" is not even close to "Killer
Klowns..."  
 
   ...Was that the name of the movie?  I thought is was like "...Saves
Christmas"
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Scat rally     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 17:07:00
Message Number  3886

Yeah... I was all exited that we might be able to get a hovercraft for
the Bahamas (for my grandmother to drive) bI mean, Travel over water, 
over land.. whichever's most convenient.. sounds great... but taking 
corners at the bottom of a hill, aren't hovercraft's strong suit. 
Although, if you decrease rear lift, (and let air spill out the front) 
a scat will stop very quickly... I think if you were careful, you could 
stop at all the red lights, however, the corners would kill you, 
probably quite literally.
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 17:18:16
Message Number  3887

Didn't you read about Road and Track's "Stealth Porshe" They lined evry-
thing with RAM, and then tested it w/ a few radar guns, /none/ of them
could lock onto it at all. I'm definitely trying this whenever I get my
own car.. Estimated cost = $85  Get a cheap radar detector, and you've
got the next best thing to God on your side. (Or if the don't happen
to believe in God... this is about the best you can do.)
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CARRENTHEON         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Fine Leather.. 
Date & Time: 04/21/90 17:39:52
Message Number  3888

Yeah.. well it is just a coincedence.. i had carrentheon b4 he came out
with that leather.. hehe... Ah well... Carrentheon with leather armour..
Later dude
Carrentheon
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/21/90 18:47:33
Message Number  3889

Now you have my interest... where can I spend $85 for the RAM to keep
my car ticket-free? Sounds like the perfect accessory for _any_ car!
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: THRUD               
Subject: Are you there? 
Date & Time: 04/21/90 19:38:33
Message Number  3890

I /know/ the name "Thrud".  What BBS did you used to be on in this area?
Inner Sanctum?
===========

From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/21/90 22:54:20
Message Number  3891

   If that`s how you feel about it, then I`LL have it instead. Huh?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:11:58
Message Number  3893

I agree - it's just that it Seems a lot of the books deal with somebody'
ingrained prejudice.  Seems kinda silly to me (and most other rational
folks) that it is kin of silly to be scared of something that if it
offends you - simply close the cover!  How tuf can it be?
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Drummer        
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:14:20
Message Number  3894

It's the personal gratification that counts....
Musicians are *such* a self-adulating lot...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:15:26
Message Number  3895

Never had that problem, so I can't comment.  Telix has worked & worked
for me with no hitches.  Do you have version 3.1?  I think 3.21 is the
latest.  I like Telix 'cause the script language looks like C.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:17:39
Message Number  3896

I was simply pointing out that indeed, there are a group of people that
DO believe that way.  Simply a relevance issue and not a contention.
 
                    JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:20:10
Message Number  3897

I tried but things like that fall under an even older law...
the law of diminishing returns (ha!).  My favorite argument was that
if any two students handed in identical (or even real similar) code
they would be accused of cheating.  With that kind of expected variance
it obviously ain't no Science - Just show me 3 radically different ways
to build say - a road surface.  I pick roads cause the science of soils
and such have some real "iffy" seat of the pants type calculations.
Point is - aside from materials and depth of application the underlying
mechanisms for the engineering disciplines are well defined and under-
stood.  Not so with Computer Science.
    Enuf of a very old and Dead horse.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:26:52
Message Number  3898

No - sorry - nothing very new just a hacked to shit Z80 processor card
I DO believe I have a 512K Ram card (unpopulated or even soldered on).
The disk controllers and shit went with the 2 systems I gave away in
Utah.
     
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Z stuff        
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:29:36
Message Number  3899

I remember when the SB-180 was a construction project in BYTE.  Yeah,
we did a lot of graphics and EMACS work so we in fact did run a straight
line in to a pair of 320's
Even so we ported the ray tracing program from an Amiga and Gawd was it
slow ( I really HATE DEC's implementation of SIXEL graphics).  All in
all tho - I'd rather be hooked to a VAX - ANY kind of VAX.  We have
one at work tho that - get this shit - we talk to an 8700 in Lexington
OHIO over a 19.2KB leased line.  To boot this thing is lorded over by
a MIS Nazi that believes the only good user is NO user. Hard as hell
getting any priveledges from this SOB - so right now I'd RATHER work
on an MSDOS machine - because the options are to pucker up.  Siggghhh.
I hate f****** office politics!
 
                       A VAXless JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:35:47
Message Number  3900

Get real - the only GOOD reason (aside from not knowing any other 
language) to write in assembly is for SPEED.  If you are really cramped
for space - use overlays and an overlay linker.  A BBS or any system
that spends most of it's time WAITING for user input (and even at 
140 wpm it would still wait most of that!) does not need to be coded
in something as tedious and error prone as assembly.  
   Let's understand each other - I cut my teeth on assembly because
ANYTHING had to better than BASIC on the early Apples and CP/M machines.
With the advent of languages like C this became really an exercise
in self-abuse to write in assembly.  You can tell most good C compilers
to dump the output as assembly code if you really want to tweak it.
I do because I still love to tinker with it!  But I do not under any
circumstances believe that doing it all from scratch in assembly is
a necessary thing (for the type programs we're talking about).
 
                          A non-self-abusive JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: History        
Date & Time: 04/22/90 09:43:49
Message Number  3901

You are correct in most respects except the south was not avoiding
industrialization - the North stifled it by excessive tariffs and 
trade embargos.  The war was actually precipitated because the
South entered into trade discussions directly with France & Britain.
We were trying desperately to get some industry but the North for some
reason took this as an issue to try and cram "We know What's Best" 
down our throats and impose the trade tariffs on us.  If Cotton could
not be sold overseas at a profit (the North wanted to get it super-
cheap see) then we had to use the domestic market.  A very complex
trade/political situation.
   BTW the original "white sheets" started with an organization known
as the "Knights of the White Camelia".  Their original purpose (are
you ready for this?) was to protect the blacks in Louisiana from the
carpetbagger governments.  Turns out the carpetbaggers used to hold
rallys with the blacks and then massacre them.  Then they would use this
as a reason to get martial law declared.  See, the military (under
Lincoln) had the power to REMOVE any legislative body which did not
suit their fancy.  This is how the carpetbaggers raped the South and
put her in financial ruin.  The military would put someone "friendly"
to the North in the governors seat and the carpetbag government was 
then legalized plundering.  The KWK (back to the subject) figured this
had gone too far and disrupted these rallies.  Then they took the WHITE
carpetbaggers and Scalawags and hung them.  Y'see the first lynchings
were actually WHITES. It was done to keep the uneducated blacks from
being used and killed by the Yankee carpetbag governments.  This 
technique, look and style were later adopted by the cowards of the KKK.
For purposes of racial hatred and terrorism.  Surprised?
 
                   An Informed JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 10:01:29
Message Number  3902

Yes the 20 ms difference is well worth the few measly dollars you
indicated.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 10:02:38
Message Number  3903

Ahhh why pay for it?  I have loads of fractal programs for free and -
yes- they came that way.  FRACTINT ver 1.9 has about 8 kinds of fractals
and uses integer math so it is really fast.  I Luv watchin the purty 
colors.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: TMNT           
Date & Time: 04/22/90 14:59:30
Message Number  3905

There was an interesting segment on Saturday Night With Connie Chung
about the TMNT.  If you missed it I'll summarize enough to show how it
relates to this conversation:
   A guy who's name escapes me heard about the comic TMNT and liked the
name.  He bought a copy and said to himself, "self, I could get rich
selling action figures based on these comic characters (shades of G.I.
Joe!)."  He approached the two gentlemen  who created the TMNT and offer
ed them a deal (everyone gets one third).  They accepted.  He approached
a toy company who said "Action figures are blase - they are no longer
selling.  /But/ if we created a CARTOON first, /then/ they might sell."
So that is what they did...BUT they had to tone it down as the original
comic was geared for age group 14-18 and everyone knows not many 14-18
year olds play with toys.  The rest of course is history and the TMNT
action figures and accessories are the hottest selling toys of ALL TIME.
*****
My point is, the reason why the quality of the TMNT is poor (If in fact
it is, I have never seen it/them) is probably because it was created
with the SOLE purpose of selling toys and therefore they used a formula
that had a pretty good track record of success (G.I. Joe).  All in all
it was pretty nauseating to watch these guys sit around grinning and
counting their $10 million a piece (not including their cut of the 
recent movie) gloating over how they manipulated the young people of 
America in such a blatent manner.
                                  The Yngling
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: RAM            
Date & Time: 04/22/90 15:19:54
Message Number  3906

Turtle,
I sure couldve used some of that radar absorbant material last week.
FHP nailed me on the interstate doing 90 and then added careless driving
and attempting to evade just because I did a U-turn across the median
when I saw those rollers in the rearview! A /very/ expensive ticket.  I
dont even want to hear what my insurance is going to go up to!  My wife
is /very/ pleased.......
                         The Yngling
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:16:34
Message Number  3907

I'll see if I can find the old Road & Track somewhere... I've never
subscribed, but I've got a friend who reads every issue cover to cover,
and keeps a mental cross-referenced database. No kidding, when I was
home for spring break, I asked him when R & T reviewed the Calloway 
Corvette, He gave me month & year of the original article, /then/ he 
told me about the two follow-up articles... sheesh, there's gotta be 
something more usefull to remember than that!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:21:00
Message Number  3908

Actually the newest version of Telix is 3.12 but anyway, there's also
the fact that Qmodem get's upset if you have "only" 400k or so available
I tried using Qmodem.. for about 5 minutes.. yuck!
 
                        - Corwyn
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:48:16
Message Number  3910

>"Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" is not even close to "Killer
>Klowns..."
 
Thank the little green gods, makers of Savior on a Stick (tm)...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:50:11
Message Number  3911

Of course, if you don't want to go the Stealth route you can always
invest in technology and engage in some electronic warfare of your
very own--acquire a radar jammer and you're ready to rock. Put a
radar jammer in a Stealth car and God with a radar gun couldn't clock
you...
              --A hi-tech Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAURON              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:52:26
Message Number  3912

You're certainly welcome to a nice day or two, provided you stop
using those weird backward apostrophes (`) in your messages...they
do weird things to my mind. I keep getting these mental images of
tiny crowbars straining to pry the letters apart, a futile endevor
since everyone knows you need a jackhammer to unstick stubborn
letters...my head hurts.
                  --An irrelevant Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Telix Script...
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:55:21
Message Number  3913

>I like Telix 'cause the script language looks like C.
 
Are there any terminal programs out there whose script language looks
like assembly? It'd be nice...
               --An assembly Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: TeX            
Date & Time: 04/22/90 19:59:06
Message Number  3914

>Enuf of a very old and Dead horse
 
If you put a cart before a beaten dead horse, can you make him drink?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/22/90 20:00:10
Message Number  3915

>No - sorry - nothing very new just a hacked to shit Z80 processor card
 
Got an operating system for it?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Z stuff        
Date & Time: 04/22/90 20:05:04
Message Number  3916

>To boot this thing is lorded over by a MIS Nazi that believes the
>only good user is NO user...
 
Yeah, I had that problem when I was working on the DECssytem-20
in Pennsylvania. The Powers That Be in User Services (or Loser
Services, depending on my mood) were about the most paranoid, hostile
lot I've ever come across--sexually frustrated, no doubt. They became
slightly aggravated when I made an end-run around their security by
writing my own TOPS-20 command processor that would execute the
service calls for most of the neat things I wanted to do directly--
didn't like that at all, no, no, no. Of course, they liked it even less
when I suggested that since I obviously knew the system better than they
did, I was by default better able to manage it than they were...*sigh*
No sense of humor in those types (a requirement for an MIS degree, I
suspect).
             --A DEC Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/22/90 20:12:16
Message Number  3917

>With the advent of languages like C this became really an excercise
>in self-abuse to write in assembly.
 
I've been accused by more than one person of being masochistic...
Actually, assembly has more than just a speed advantage over high-
level languages, like efficiency and compactness. When I'm given the
choice, I prefer not to mess around with writing overlays; I run
a floppy-only system, and waiting for the suckers to load gets really
annying very fast. Plus I'm a great fan of techniques like self-
modifying code and other non-computer-science tricks (I've been known
to use the system stack pointer as an index register...), whinh you
(oops.../which/ you) generally can't do in high-level languages.
Besides, I don't have a /good/ C compiler. Hmm...now that I think
about it, I have what's supposed to be a really good C compiler on
a Cromemco C-DOS formatted disk where I can't get to it--it's 
formatted double-sided and my transfewr utility claims C-DOS formats
are single-sided only. *sigh* I still like assembly.
                     --A masochistic Turtle
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: YNGLING             
Subject: TMNT           
Date & Time: 04/22/90 21:31:41
Message Number  3918

That is the way most cartoon shows get on	 television now.  A lot of
production companies aren't willing to go to the trouble of making an
animated show unless it has a toy line behind it, because they figure
it's the only way it'll become popular.
   Not all shows done this way have to be trash, but the only real
exception was "Robotech"--which was a toy line quite some time before it
was a TV show.  However, Revell (the company that made the Robotech
models) had nothing to do with the TV show; the production company that
made it originally decided to adapt a Japanese animated series for
American TV and discovered that all the American rights to it had been
licensed to Revell, who had named all the models "Robotech."  So,
Harmony Gold rewrote the series trying to be faithful to both the anime
shows it was taken from and what Revell had already 'created' for their
toy line.  Luckily, unlike the other American companies which had done
exactly the same thing (i.e., license Japanese giant robots from TV
cartoons), Revell had made all the Robotech "mecha" the equivalent of
F-14's and the like rather than giving them cute little robot
personalities.
   Anyway, I suppose I can't blame Eastman & Laird for making their
non-children's book into a typical bad commercialized cartoon, seeing
how much money they're making from it.  Richard & Wendy Pini of
ElfQuest want to get their elves animated; unlike the TMNT people, they
want at least veto power over any productions.  If EQ gets to the screen
it'll be real good, but they've been trying since 1979 and still have
little to show for it.
===========

From: SCOTT E             
To: NERISSA             
Subject: your name      
Date & Time: 04/22/90 22:38:39
Message Number  3919

hello merissa I brought you a dozen -->--->--@ red roses for a beautiful
name hopefully you are female. [
I hope to talk to you more in the future have a wonderful week. a new fr
iend scott e
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/23/90 08:04:20
Message Number  3920

Nice idea.. actually I'd prefer something which would damage a radar
gun to a "simple" jammer, however both are illegal, while RAM is not.
(I should hope not.. all us computer freaks would be in jail hundreds of
time over) <- Stupid pun joke.. please ignore.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/23/90 17:16:25
Message Number  3923

I know... I've a friend who can quote a very detailed set of specifi-
cations for heavy & light military equipment. He has little practical
use for the information (except when playing certain role playing games)
but still he stays well versed on the subject, though he's never been
in the military or officially connected with any military in any way.
 
Go figure.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: ACAPULCO            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/23/90 17:19:51
Message Number  3924

I've been told that you can successfully challenge a radar-based
speeding ticket by insisting the officer in question produce an FCC
license for operation of such a device. Apparently few officers are
actually licensed to use radar.
 
I know no one brave enough to risk such a challenge just to prove
the point, however.
 
{Acapulco}
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/23/90 20:21:43
Message Number  3925

> ...was like "...Saves Christmas"
 
  Uh, "Ernest Saves Christmas" (a close contender for worst movie ever)
or what? What are you thinking? What are you saying? Some kind of other
Santa Claus movie?
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: DRINK???       
Date & Time: 04/23/90 22:52:01
Message Number  3926

I think it is (or was) a definition of 'horticulture' and it went
(or goes) like this......
     "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think..."
   
haha
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Who????        
Date & Time: 04/23/90 22:55:27
Message Number  3927

Just left the store tonight listening to a little kid asking his mom
who The Green Lantern, Buck Rogers, and Sky King were to which his mom
replied "I dunno???". The last thing I heard from the kid as I was 
laughing away was "This place ain't no good. Dey got no Ninja Turtle
stuff here!!!".......gotta go wash my gray hairs
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ALL                 
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/23/90 22:59:28
Message Number  3928

   Okay boys and girls....just drove the course last Sunday, and after 
a few modifications in the clues (didn't want to send you to someone's
house...whWich a few places turned out to bn|e), it was a trip. It took
about an hour and a half, and I knew where I was goin' (well, sort of).
I've got all the stuff together and everything is set....so here it is
again.....
    
START: Saturday May 5th 1:00pm at the rear parking lot at Klockner-
Bartelt (used to be Rexham) at the corner of 301 (N. Washington) and
DeSoto Road. Parking lot enterance is directly across from the Crown
Restaurant. Be there a little earlier, we want to START at 1:00. It will
be $5 per person to cover food an' stuff at the Bar-B-Q and the trophies
for the first 3 places. If you want to just show up, that's fine, but 
I'd rather know who's coming. I've gotten responses from Chip P. Unicorn
Turtle, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus and Acapulco and whoever they are 
bringin'.....anyone else??????? Leave a note.....
   
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
.........sssssssssssSNAKEBYTE .  .
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 04:38:15
Message Number  3929

>...actually I'd prefer something which would damage a radar gun to a
>"simple" jammer, ...
 
That's easy enough to do. Take your radar jammer, run a shielded coax
cable from the Gunn diode in the business end of the resonant antenna
to the input of a nice, big microwave amplifier ('bout 300 watts would
work nicely). Then stick an antenna on your roof and attach the jammer
to a radar /detector/ so it goes off automatically when you find a
speed trap. The amplifier will generate an RF signal that's powerful
enough to overload the Gunn diode in the radar gun, and blooie! no more
radar! 'Course, if the FCC catches you with that gizmo...
                --An RF Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Not Jelly Again
Date & Time: 04/24/90 04:42:26
Message Number  3930

>..."Ernest Saves Christmas" (a close contender for worst movie ever)...
 
"Ernest Saves Christmas" can't even come close to "Pee Wee's Big
Adventure." Now there's one sorry movie, despite what Scvm may tell
you (of course, his idea of a classic is "Day of the Dead," so there
you go...).
              --A critical Turtle
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: THRUD               
Subject: Are you there? 
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:06:40
Message Number  3931

>Where's my old Nemisis?
   Who? Huh? What? How? Why? How often?
    
>Ring me, I can still whip you all.
   One Ring to find them all... and in the darkness bind them.
     
>Especially Blondes.
   I'm completely confused at this point. First you dare us to put a
ring on your finger, then you want to whip us all. Personally, I'm
not much into S & M. But -- hey; that's your choice. Why do you want
a blonde to put a ring on your finger?
                The confused Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:11:20
Message Number  3932

>If something offends you - simply close the cover!
    
   Basically, most people who try to ban books (and ideas) are afraid
of the ideas in the books -- and really have no original ideas of their
own to "battle" their opponents with. Therefore, they try to stomp out
the books.
   I just remembered why the Martian Chronicles might have been banned.
It has the "House of Usher" scene, where the ignorant are killed one by
one by the Poe-loving madman. Fanatics usually HATE to see themselves
portrayed in a bad light.
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Qmodem script..
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:15:20
Message Number  3933

I use Telix 3.21. Almost everything else seems to work, though I haven't
yet gotten to scripts.
              Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: JONBOY              
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:17:00
Message Number  3934

Fair enough. I know there are some cultures which believe in a 
hierarchy of gods. (Both ancient and modern!) But, for some reason,
most fundamentalists can't just "live and let live."
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:22:57
Message Number  3935

>...sheesh, there's gotta be something more usefull to remember 
>than that!
    
    Do you think you're learning it at Gnu College?
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:24:22
Message Number  3936

Turtle, et al you anarchists-
     
    My father has received two tickets within the last three years.
NEITHER of them were clocked from radar... in fact, he had a radar
detector. Both were due to helicopters clocking him from above...
and NO amount of stealth material, radar jammers, radar detectors,
or whatever can stop that...
                   the elliptical Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:29:20
Message Number  3937

>I've been known to use the system stack pointer as an index register.
   
   Why not the flags register? Hell -- why not the program counter?
               Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:33:21
Message Number  3938

Well -- I hate to say this, but...
   I'm not going to be able to go to the Rallye.
   
   Ya see,
       I haven't seen my filly for a while -- and,
  if I don't go that weekend, I won't be seeing her
              for an even longer time.
     
This will be the first weekend
        we both have off, and
                well...
           I miss her.
                
                 It's nothing personal, you understand.
                     But, I can't go.
         
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Jelly Again
Date & Time: 04/24/90 09:36:47
Message Number  3939

"Day of the Dead"? A movie based on the Mexican holiday of 
November 2? Well -- I admit, the holiday is a bit strange, but I
wouldn't call it much of a plot for a movie...
  
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: Who????        
Date & Time: 04/24/90 12:30:13
Message Number  3940

That's odd.  Green Lantern and Buck Rogers still have comics (well, the
new Buck Rogers may not have started yet, but it's going to come back
real soon	 if it hasn't).  Evidently his mother didn't do the comics
thing at all; of course, if she's in her late twenties or thirties, she
was growing up in the 60's, when it seems a lot of comics were kind of
being ignored by both the general public and the companies that put them
out.  There were always notable exceptions over the decades, but for the
most part, the idea of writing/drawing a comic without saying "we want
to appeal to demographic group 'X', so we should use plot formulas
'Y' and 'Z' for this title"--in other words, the revolutionary idea that
it was possible to tell an intelligent story that would appeal to adult
science fiction/fantasy fans without using any of the boneheaded comics
cliches that were becoming old in the late 40's--didn't show up until
the late 70's.  (Yes, I'm deliberately ignoring underground comics in
that definition, because I think they did the "we want to appeal to 'X'
by using 'Y' and 'Z'" just as much as Marvel & DC did: they just set the
variables differently.)
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/24/90 12:38:49
Message Number  3941

Also, there was the scene in the MARTIAN CHRONICLES with the priest and
the glowing balls of light, the aliens who were effectively angels.  I
don't remember the specifics of the scene, but a lot of people took it
to be implying that the aliens were gods and that Christianity was a
crock and that everything the priest had done in his life was promptly
rendered mush by this revelation.  I suspect this is what gets a lot of
ultra-fundamentalists: any time you show an ordained Christian minister
thinking, it pisses off the Christians who don't, regardless of whether
or not the scene could qualify as "sacreligious" without bending the
concept into a big, soft pretzel.
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: The BBS        
Date & Time: 04/24/90 13:05:06
Message Number  3942

NOTICE:  Remote Control!  is now officially down......
 
I have begin phase #1 of converting the BBS over to the Amiga, which 
involves sale fo my hardware -- The BBS /will/ be up running on a 
limited 1 message base, E-Mail, and chat.....The BBS will then be moved
(In a few days) to and even /more/ limited BBS on the Amiga (Chat Only).
Finally, the BBS will be running off Paragon BBS Software with a 22
Megabyte 40ms Supra-Drive.  (Sorry to everyone about the 40ms, but It
doesn't seem I'll have enough money for anything faster -- You'll live!)
 
The BBS will be The A/B/R/A/C/A/D/A/B/R/A BBS -- We will support 
MANY Furry, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Anime, and Comic echos!  I am also working
out deals to connect to UseNet Anime and Comic echos!  This is all due
to the great help of Turtle, Donthen, Steve Hall, Niccoli Shapero (sp),
and some other Japaneese guy in California that runs the Valley Of The
Wind BBS for AniMag... (I will not even /try/ to spell his name -- It
begins with a "T"....hehehehe)  As far as I can tell, I my be picking 
up atleast 10 echos and possibly many more
 
On my agenda for echos includes 2 Anime echos, 2 Furry Echos, 3 Sci-Fi/
Fantasy Echos, A Few Storyboards, a Comic Echo, and a Movie Review
echo, as well as the TRans-Versal Chat Line.....
 
The paragon System will allow some great UD areas - I will also be 
finding some games to go online -- One includes a tradewars clone...If 
I encounter any problems with game playing, they /will/ be removed.  
The UD areas will include transcrips and translations of ANIME stuff, 
as well as furry/Sci-Fi/Fantasy stories, GIF's and IFF's and MAC's,
as well as Amiga...Cp/M....and Z-System support areas.  I may even 
include Apple, but don't look for IBM files on /MY/ board!  (OOhhh, I
forgot C=64/128 stuff will be there, too)  Hopefully 22 Megs will be 
enough for what I want to support....Stay with me folks!
 
-Tyler Robinson
 SysOp:  The Abracadabra BBS  -[ AN MSTF SYSTEM ]-  813/378-2218
         8-N-1-2400   VT100/ANSI/ASCII emulation  * C
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 13:35:38
Message Number  3943

You can also ask them to produce recent calibration tests... but the
problem is in paying the court costs until you can appeal to a level 
where the actual /written law/ counts.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 13:39:21
Message Number  3944

I think the FCC would probably be so upset.. you'd be better of just
getting an M60 and destroying the cop's car... If you don't shoot him,
they can't get you for murder.. hmm.. premeditated attempted murder??
I dunno.. maybe the FCC wouldn't be /quite/ that mad..
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 13:44:25
Message Number  3945

Sure, things like:
                   Don't drink too much, it's bad for your breath.
                   Dancing w/ tree's may not be as fun as dancing w/
                     girls, but it's a lot safer.
                   Don't smoke pot, or eat Hash Brownies.. you'd act 
                     even stupider than you normally do...
  On, and on and on... The wisdom of the ages (12-17)
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/24/90 13:46:57
Message Number  3946

 Yes, but looking for broad white lines on the highway will... My 
driver's Ed teacher taught me that one.. She had me driving about 70 on
a 45 Mph 2 lane road.. she saw a line on the road, and had me slow down
to about 40 till we hit the next one.. then back on our merry way at 70!
 No amout of stealth material, radar jammers, or radar detectors will 
ever make vigilance when breaking silly laws unneccessary.
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: TMNT           
Date & Time: 04/24/90 14:49:04
Message Number  3948

The extremely nauseating thing about this is that the toys were not
created to help boost the ratings of the show - the show was created
with the sole intention of creating a market for the toys.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: RADAR          
Date & Time: 04/24/90 14:56:21
Message Number  3949

Chip -
   For that I believe a Surface-to-Air missle will do.
                                  The Yngling
"SAM means never having to say you're sorry."
                            Richard Aellen
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Hugo's there?  
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:32:49
Message Number  3953

HI!  I'm sorry I haven't replied...been busy and I'm sick again! UGH!!!
I'd love to give you the video...just remind me which one. :)  
                                                  The Lady
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: Gee.....       
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:34:06
Message Number  3954

:)  Gee, haven't I seen yyou somewhere before? :>
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: RAVEN               
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:34:38
Message Number  3955

I have her address and I wrote her, too!
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: song           
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:35:19
Message Number  3956

I hate the B-52's, but I asked a friend, she told me, and I bought the 
tape...I hate the song, though, too!  I just really like the lyrics....
===========

From: BLACK MAGIC         
To: YNGLING             
Subject: $%#&@#$$/      
Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:36:35
Message Number  3957

:)  I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack!  So, where are you?
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/24/90 21:40:03
Message Number  3958

One more member of the team in the green wench
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/24/90 21:43:42
Message Number  3959

AAARGH!! So why can't she come down!
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Gee.....       
Date & Time: 04/24/90 22:04:02
Message Number  3960

Gee.. You know the 11-34 in turtles closet?  They talked me out of
trying to put it in my apartment.  Donthen mentioned something about
the quality of the wiring in the place.  I think he is worried about
dying in an electrically coused fire.  
 
Oh well, guess I will have to deal with out it. :)
 
Good luck with your project.  Hope it goes well.
 
                  Raven.
                  \/-       ++
                            \/
===========

From: RAVEN               
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: sleeping and ><
Date & Time: 04/24/90 22:09:01
Message Number  3961

So give me a copy please.  Need to get my VCR running (it rewinds great
but will _not_ deal with the useful direction) so I can see her video 
when she gets it done.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/25/90 00:38:32
Message Number  3962

>...NO amount of stealth material, radar jammers, radar detectors, or
>whatever can stop that...
 
FuzzBuster now makes a gadget called the SkyBuster that will say
"Warning! Low flying aircraft assuming parallel course!" No joke.
I have /no/ idea how it works.
                 --An anarchist Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: a long line    
Date & Time: 04/25/90 00:46:41
Message Number  3963

>...any time you show an ordained Christian minister thinking, it pisses
>off the Christians who don't, regardless of whether or not the scene 
>could qualify as "sacreligious" without bending the concept into a
>big, soft pretzel.
 
There's a place in the Edison Mall that makes the most /amazing/ soft
pretzels...let's eat!!!
                      --A hungry Turtle
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From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Anarchy Now    
Date & Time: 04/25/90 00:53:25
Message Number  3964

You can actually go one better than simply watching for the neat white
lines painted across the highway--make your own! (A relative of
Crystal's decided he'd had enough of being nabbed from the air one day,
and took a bucket of white paint on a road trip with him one
fine afternoon; he found all the white lines he could and painted
several new ones parallel to the old ones so you couldn't tell which
ones to use from the air...)
                 --An amused Turtle
While we're on the subject of thwarting authority, I have a friend
who used to take an E-tool to Ft. Lauderdale Beach with him and dig
tank traps in the sand for the cops who buzzed around on those little
three-wheeled ATV's they've outlawed now...)
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From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Missiles       
Date & Time: 04/25/90 00:59:05
Message Number  3965

>For that I believe a Surface-to-Air missile will do.
 
No problem...the going rate for a Stinger on the armament black
market right now is only about $500,000...'course, it takes 'bout
15 minutes to prep one of those things...
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From: BEATLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: TMNT           
Date & Time: 04/25/90 06:17:36
Message Number  3966

 Yeah, I saw it. And, I agree. The only thing is, they have the option
to do what they did under our national system. They got their money, and
they're gonna make MORE. Wait 'til they find out that a big thing can 
start going down the drain. I can't begin to imagine all the money 
Kenner lost pursuing their Star Wars line when the market was almost
non-existant. What did they do? MakeNEW toys! I think they goofed.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: remembering    
Date & Time: 04/25/90 06:23:06
Message Number  3967

> There's gotta be something more usefull to remember than that!
  
 Sure! Just about every fact about Star Wars will be useful someday, or
how about facts on Steven Spielberg and his movies, that's gotta be of
some usefulness.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/25/90 06:32:46
Message Number  3968

> I know no one brave enough to risk such a challenge just to prove the
> point, however.
 
 Well, I bet Ken Ober would do it. Also, I have no trouble imagining 
Turtle trying it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Jelly Again
Date & Time: 04/25/90 06:38:07
Message Number  3969

  Yes, but I /liked/ "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure". ON the other hand, the
"Ernest" moviealmost put me to sleep...
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From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: A LONG LINE    
Date & Time: 04/25/90 08:15:57
Message Number  3970

Dear Donthen,
   I don't remember that scene in the Martian Chronicles -- better
dust of my old copy and look through for it.
   It's not impossible to find a thinking Christian minister. Or one
that can't make fun of his own religion. It's just damn, damn hard.
Fanatics rarely have senses of humor.
                     Chip P. Unicorn
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From: ACAPULCO            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/25/90 19:56:33
Message Number  3973

Stealth may not affect the helicopters, but that's why God gave us
SAM's...!
 
{Acapulco}
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From: SCOTT E             
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 04/25/90 22:39:25
Message Number  3975

hello crystal how are you i love your name and would like to leave
you a dozen red roses -->--->--@
I hope to tlak to you soon see ya!
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From: DARION              
To: ALL                 
Subject: Star Trek club 
Date & Time: 04/25/90 23:01:54
Message Number  3976

Greetings,
 
  Are you a fan of Star Trek ?
 
  Would you be interested in joining a fandom group here in Bradenton /
Sarasota.
 
 If you answered "YES" to the above then we want to hear from you.
 
 The Starship Magellan, an offical cpter of the Starfleet fan club is 
currently recrutoing new members.
 
If you would be interested in joining us please leave a post to this 
message or send E Mail to "Darion
 
Live Long and Prosper,
Lt. Darion Ridenow 
USS Magellan NCC-2594
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: No Authority!  
Date & Time: 04/26/90 00:26:09
Message Number  3978

>I have no trouble imagining Turtle trying it.
 
Never been in that situation (clocked by radar with an opportunity to
ask for the officer's FCC license), but I did almost incite an officer
to strike me when he tried to ticket me for parking in a handicapped
zone and I pointed out that according to Florida statutes it wasn't
legally marked as a handicapped zone...
                   --An anarchist Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Pee Wee        
Date & Time: 04/26/90 00:28:16
Message Number  3979

You liked Pee-Wee's Big Adventure? I used to regard you as something of
an informed source on movie quality, but liking Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
strikes me as even /worse/ than believing Howard The Duck is the best
movie produced in the last decade...yech! If I pay money for a movie, I
generally won't get up and walk out of the theater no matter how bad it
is, but for that one I made an exception. It boggles the mind that
you were able to sit through the entire thing, much less /enjoy/ it...
                   --An unimpressed Turtle
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: BEATLE              
Subject: remembering    
Date & Time: 04/26/90 05:58:27
Message Number  3980

And what are Carmen Berg's (Playboy Miss July 198"8?") measurents..
Important stuff.. all of it.
 
                         - Corwyn
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: hi             
Date & Time: 04/26/90 14:26:50
Message Number  3981

     No one needs to ask to leave me flowers.  Thank you very much.  I
love my name too.  Turtle picked it out for me.  Talk to you soon, see
ya! 
                              * CRYSTAL *
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From: SCOTT E             
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: hi again       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 08:18:17
Message Number  3983

:D I wasn't asking you if I could leave flowers I was telling you that I
was giving them to you. This has been a rough week 2 finals this week up
At USF and both were real suckers. I hope your week went a lot better.
By the way what do you do for a living? [] for you (nothing serious 
though just a friendly one. Have a great weekend. seeeeee yaaaaaaa
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From: SCOTT E             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Pee Wee        
Date & Time: 04/27/90 08:24:23
Message Number  3984

I too used to think that Howard the Duck was the worst movie ever shown 
on the big screen. Pee wee is not that bad, I mean he is from sarasota
so we can show him a little respect. not much, but a little. Among other
worst movies of the last decade incluse the serpant and the rainbow and
Ernest goes to camp. MY worst ever picture very close to Howard the Duck
has got to be Under the cherry moon with prince in it. well this is sene
giskel with my review of the 80's and hope not to see ya at the movies
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: ALL                 
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 12:40:09
Message Number  3985

Some people believe in Religion.....Some people don't....
 
There is a philsophoy around that religion /was/ OK to explain stuff
when we didn't know anything about nutin'.....But now it isn't OK 
'cause we know (or have theories) to explain everything except where the
first matter came from.....Here is the problem.....
 
Science states you can not create nor destroy matter/energy.  This means
that the same amount of matter and energy have always been here.  So, 
there has /always/ been the universe.  The universe had no beginning and
will never have an end.  The universe isn't irrational, it is undefined.
It is kinda' like 0 divided by 2.....You just can't do it....It just 
can't be explained in any way.....It is undefined.  
 
This brings up the problem -- Could god be applicable in this situation.
Does /he/ have the power to overide the physical laws of nature and 
create matter and energy.  And if so, god must be made of /something/.
 
Science states everything is matter or energy.  This brings up the 
question....WHO MADE GOD!?  He must be made of either matter or energy,
but it can't be created or destroyed!  What we have is not just an
undifined and irrational universe.  It is an infinite loop!  Not just
that, but it's completely confusing!  
 
This brings up the problem of multiple dimensions -- Could a hole have 
opened to another dimension that brought the matter and energy from 
/that/ place -- But what laws apply there?  We may never know...
===========

From: DELIA               
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: hi again       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 14:23:24
Message Number  3987

Well, I'm a new user trying to figure out how to use bulletin boards and
landed in this message area. How does one get help in learning what this
stuff is about? I'm still in CP/M, but I can access via modem. I really
don't even know who you are or what I'm doing. The help files either
move too fast or I don't understand most of them. Any suggestions? Thanx
===========

From: DELIA               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/27/90 14:34:33
Message Number  3988

Interesting conversation on religion, etc. Have you ever considered
god/goddess as process? What if reality is a synchronistic dialectic, a
multidimensional dance of materialism vs. existentialism in dialectic
resulting in thesis, except that the thesis is accentuated and sent into
active be-ing or motion by multicolorful spirituality...
This tosses out the theists but does not endorse materialists. It
also bypasses patriarchal religions such as Christianity.
===========

From: YNGLING             
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: :)             
Date & Time: 04/27/90 14:54:07
Message Number  3989

Dearest Lady,
   Where have you been?  The bbs hasnt been the same without your lovely
presence.  Hope you are no longer under the weather.  I have been work-
ing my butt off on a very difficult case, a double fatality, which could
cost my client $1,000,000 if I screw up, hence my absence for the last 
few days. (Besides, the last time I tried to get on Turtle wouldnt let
me.  I think its personal as this is about the third time this month he'
s either kicked me off or refused access...*sniff*)
   Aside from your illness, how is life?
                            The Yngling
The dragonfly hunter-
  today, what place has he
got to, I wonder...
                 -Chiyo (written after the death of her young son)
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From: YNGLING             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Missiles       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 15:06:02
Message Number  3990

Turtle,
Can you think of a better way to spend $500g?
                          The Yngling
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From: YNGLING             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/27/90 15:07:53
Message Number  3991

When I was 17 I had my license revoked for two years for telling a
traffic court judge to "get f***ed." It was pretty dumb (in retrospect)
but made me a legend in my own mind for a while.  Besides, I really
/hated/ driving around without a license for 2 years...I felt like
such a criminal...good thing they didnt have America's Most Wanted back
then......
               The Yngling
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: hi again       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 15:20:08
Message Number  3992

     Well that's much better.  It has been a bad week for me.  You see
I have been very sick all week, I have missed about a week of work,  I
am an Assistant Manager for Eckerd Drugs. My weekend will be bad, for I
have to work all weekend folowed by all week.  Thanks again for the 
flowers.
                              * CRYSTAL *
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/27/90 15:55:12
Message Number  3993

Dear Corwyn,
    Yeah -- but a lot of the roads I drive on have LOTS and LOTS
of those little white lines -- and I never know which ones are used
by helicopters.
                   Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:01:26
Message Number  3995

>FuzzBuster now makes a gadget called the SkyBuster that will say
>"Warning! Low flying aircraft assuming parallel course!"
     
    Has it been made illegal yet? (Remember: radar detectors ARE
illegal in this country. They became illegal when Congress rose the
national speed limit to 65.)
                  Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: a long line    
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:05:04
Message Number  3996

Repunctuate the last five words.
            -- The ever-helpful Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: TURTLE              
Subject: No Authority!  
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:09:34
Message Number  3997

>...and I pointed out that according to Florida statutees it wasn't
>legally marked as a handicapped zone...
     
   Wha' happened? And, how must a site be marked under Florida statutes
to be a handicapped zone?
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: Religion...    
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:13:03
Message Number  3998

Oh, boy, oh, boy... metaphysics. And questions that have existed for
the past three or four thousand years. Here goes nothing:
       
   Under the current laws of the universe, matter and energy can be
created and destroyed: Einstein showed this quite nicely in the equation
E=mc*c. (matter*the speed of light squared can be converted into
energy. And vice-versa.) A common example of this is something like
a fire: you are converting a tiny percentage of the mass into energy.
(If you claim the energy was already stored within the wood, I'd
ask which force was "stored" in the wood: gravity, electric, strong,
or weak.) _But_ this total of mass and energy in the universe is 
constant, at least.
     
   You said the universe had no beginning or ending: you're making
the assumption that the universe always has been exactly the same as
it is now. It is quite conceivable that God created the universe
exactly five minutes ago, and fabricated everything (including your
memories.) (This is usually not a good assumption...) 
   Going to something a little less strange, scientists believe the
current laws of the universe didn't exist before the Big Bang -- and
that our laws were created only after the first five minutes or so
of the Bang. The universe might have possibly had a beginning.
    Will it ever end? Ask me after a few more trillion years.
    
   Who made God? To some theists, that might be as silly of a question
as "Why can't I play compact sics on my record player?" Most theists
believe God is outside of time, so phrases that refer to time cannot
refer to God. It's also equally possible that God is within time,
but He is eternal anyway -- that is, He was never created. I'll have
to ask Him next time I stop in for tea.
       
                        Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DELIA               
Subject: hi again       
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:27:43
Message Number  3999

Dear Delia,
   From what you've shown, you seem to be doing really well already.
You can send (and receive) messages.
    Welcome to aLTER rEALITY, Delia! If you're lost, just ask any
question, and we'll be glad to answer.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: CHIP P. UNICORN     
To: DELIA               
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/27/90 16:29:12
Message Number  4000

A god/goddess as process? Synchronistic dialectic? Materialism vs.
existentialism? Pardon me while I get out my Philosopher's Unabridged
Dictionary.
       
   <Clip-clop; clip-clop.> *>BLOW!<* <cough, cough, cough....>
     
   THumbing through the dictionary...
     
   Actually, no. I haven't. I'm somewhat confused by your terminology.
   If you mean by your first statement: "The only god or goddess there
is, is the universe itself in its process of changing." then I disagree.
I'm mystical enough to believe the god or gods that exist can exist
outside of our own time and space: interacting, yet separate. Also, I
tend to think of the god or gods that exist in roughly anthropomorhic
terms: not in human bodies, but with human-understandable motives.
    
   Is reality a synchonistic dialect? If you mean by synchronistic
"all running at the same time" -- that is, with matter moving through
time at the same rate -- and dialectic as "able to influence other
items by some means," then I'd say yes. Every item in the universe
exerts its (usually weak) gravitational pull on every other.
  
    A multidimensional dance of materialism vs. existentialism in 
dialectic resulting in thesis. <Get away from Hegel! Please!> What's
wrong with materialism existing along with existentialism? I tend to
favor the idea that humanity is both matherial and spiritual -- and
neither is necessarily "better" than the other. Both are necessary
for a complete human. 
     
    Tossing out both theists and materialists is a bad idea. Too many
of both in the world. 
   
    I'm no philosophy major, and I tend to prefer to take on myself
a more informal style than yours. But, could you PLEASE (in the
future) define your terms fairly carefully so that we're both talking
the same language? I'll try to do the same.
                 Chip P. Unicorn
===========

From: DONTHEN             
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/27/90 17:21:14
Message Number  4001

No, radar detectors are only illegal in some states.  If they were
completely illegal, do you think you could walk into any K-Mart or
Radio Shack and pick one up?...
===========

From: KEN OBER            
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: God...         
Date & Time: 04/27/90 17:57:36
Message Number  4002

Well, so God is like that Giant Roman dude in that one Star Trek
episode....HHmmmm.....So the universe has never been the same, so
all our laws are /not/ really laws at all...
 
-Me-
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From: BIG BLACK DUDE      
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Black is Back  
Date & Time: 04/27/90 20:36:58
Message Number  4003

Hey Magic Baby,
   How would you like to meet a Big Black Dude?
===========

From: THRUD               
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Am I here?     
Date & Time: 04/27/90 22:23:03
Message Number  4004

Take care, young hobbit, lest you behold the Cracks of Doom.
                               Thrud the Grey
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: song           
Date & Time: 04/28/90 00:13:33
Message Number  4005

  It just deosn't seem like the B-52's are bad, it's just that they 
don't do typical music.... damn, I should move to one of the places 
where a lot of people like the B-52's. Ah well, so much for trying to 
get people interested in their music...
  Isn't there even one song on the tape that you liked?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: article        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 00:19:09
Message Number  4006

  A friend and I have written an article that we would like to publish 
in the next Mythagoras.
 It's the "Scientific Sytem of Furry Classification". Yes, just like 
Biology class!
  No really, here's a sample:
 
 (Memebers of the Family Anthropomorphates)
 Furrius Domesticus (house-owning furry)
 Foxus Bartus (Mythagoras publishing furries)
 Turtalius Franklus (BBSing turtles)
 
  So, does everyone like it??? How do I submit it?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:10:50
Message Number  4007

Thpth! to you, my friend, for that excellent discourse on religion and
the universe, which is fascinating but for the fact that the prohibition
against creating or destroying matter does not mean that the universe
has always been here. Two problems: (1) The universe has not always
existed in its current form, and won't always exist in its current form,
simply because the processes which power it are finite; and (2) if the
universe did in fact come from a singularity, which the Big Bang theory
predicts that it did, then all bets are off because the normal laws
which govern the behavior of matter and energy break down at
singularities. So there! Nyyah...
               --A scientific Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DELIA               
Subject: Hello...       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:14:15
Message Number  4008

Greetings, and welcome aboard. I'm Turtle, the person responsible for
all of this. A few pointers you might be interested in: On this BBS,
and in fact most BBSes, you can "freeze" the display by pressing ^S
(Control-S) and unfreeze it again by pressing ^Q, so when you're looking
at the help files (or anything else) hitting ^S will stop it so you can
read it. Also, out of curiosity, what sort of CP/M machine are you
using? I'm something of a CP/M phile, and there are several others
floating around on this board, so if you ever end up needing a resource
for assistance or whatever feel free to drop a line here. Have fun...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: YNGLING             
Subject: Missiles       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:18:34
Message Number  4009

Can I think of a better way to spend $500g? Well, for starters, I'd
prefer to spend it on something that doesn't go "Ffffffffffft!" and
explode...durable goods (like, say, a Lamborghini or a VAX 9000) are
always nice. 'Course, that's just me...
             --A durable Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Provoking Cops 
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:21:57
Message Number  4010

What happened was after I pointed out to the nice officer that the
parking spot wasn't really a handicapped parking place (in a really
obnoxious manner: "Yeah, go ahead, gimmee the ticket; we both know it
won't stand up, so I'm game to waste a day in traffic court if you
are"), he turned bright red, started to take a swing at me (!! I was
thinking "Oh please! Oh please! I know sleazy lawyers who /live/ for
that!!), then got under control and told me "I'm going to let you go
this time, but if I ever catch you again...yap, yap, yap, yap..." and
drove away.
   According to Florida statutes, in order to be a "marked handicapped
parking zone" the space must have the universal handicapped symbol
(the little wheelchair figure) painted on the ground in reflective
paint, and have a reflective blue sign with the same symbol and the
words "Handicapped Parking" displayed over the space at approximately
eye level to the driver of a passenger vehicle. The space I was in
lacked the blue reflectorized sign.
                    --An anarchist Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Religion...    
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:27:30
Message Number  4011

>According to the current laws of the universe, matter can be created
>and destroyed...
 
Shouldn't that read "can not be created and destroyed"?
 
>Some theists believe that God is outside of time...
 
If he/she/it existed before the creation of the universe, than he/she/it
exists outside of time by definition. According to most theories I'm
aware of, it doesn't make any sense to talk about the time before the
universe because in a very real sense time did not exist before the
universe did.
             --A non-theistic Turtle
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Radar Detectors
Date & Time: 04/28/90 01:31:09
Message Number  4012

I still wonder about the legality of prohibiting radar detectors,
myself...I wonder what would happen if someone with a great deal of
money were to challenge it before the FCC. Technically, any signal
which can be legally transmitted can legally be received, so I
suspect that with a suitable amount of money and a really sharp
lawyer an ambitious individual could cause all sorts of headaches for
a legislative body that outlawed radar detectors...
                     --A receptive Turtle
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/28/90 03:17:56
Message Number  4013

Saddle her up and bring her along.........
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: RAVEN               
Subject: rOAD rALLY.....
Date & Time: 04/28/90 03:19:45
Message Number  4014

I'll set a perch aside for ya'........
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 03:25:40
Message Number  4015

And what about the theory that the planets are just atomic particles
in a VERY VERY VERY large other system. And maybe our atomic material
house VERY VERY VERY small other systems, but because of the difference
in time perception, none of us can perceive the others....
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: YNGLING             
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/28/90 03:29:06
Message Number  4016

>revoked licence......
What's the Statute of Limitations on that.......hmmmmmmm?    hehe
===========

From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: ummmmmm        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 03:33:03
Message Number  4017

Hello.....saw you were back and posting again. Glad to see it.
Hope all is well.....we were worried. 
           Take care and stick around,
                  ssssssssssssseee ya'    SNAKEBYTE
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/28/90 06:05:20
Message Number  4018

Keep your speed random, they can't ticket you for being an inconsistent
driver.
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: ROAD RALLY     
Date & Time: 04/28/90 06:06:21
Message Number  4019

Nope.. Never was an FCC descision sorry... some states made it illegal
at this point.. but according to 
FCC regulations you can still "listen to the radio" as much as you want!
 
                         - Corwyn
===========

From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 06:09:03
Message Number  4020

> Tossing out theists and materialists is a bad idea.
 
Toss out theists, materialists, dualists, emotivists, compatiblists, 
tensionalists, incompatiblists, soft determinists, and hard determinists
actually, just shoot them.
 
                        - Corwyn
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From: ACAPULCO            
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: Pee Wee        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 10:56:28
Message Number  4021

Just because "Pee Wee" is from Sarasota doesn't mean he automatically
deserves respect. Everyone has to be from _somewhere_. If I said Ted
Bundy was from Sarasota, would you automatically offer him respect?
 
{Acapulco}
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From: ACAPULCO            
To: CORWYN OF AMBER     
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 11:07:54
Message Number  4022

If you "toss" all those folks out, there will be no one left to do
the shooting!
 
{Acapulco}
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From: KEN OBER            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 12:54:07
Message Number  4023

> And what about the theory that the planets are just atomic particles
> in a VERY VERY VERY large other system....
 
That theory has already been disproven due to inconsistancies (SP?)...
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 14:51:57
Message Number  4025

Nope.. I'll do it, I'm an Isolationist Deist. (I think I'm a god, and
everyone should leave me alone) 
 
                         - Corwyn
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From: CORWYN OF AMBER     
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 14:53:02
Message Number  4026

Nope.. not disproven.. just been made unlikely, they weren't able to 
come up w/ anything that would actually disprove it, it just holds 
absolutely no weight as a scientific theory.
 
                         - Corwyn
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From: TURTLE              
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: Pee Wee        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 17:18:08
Message Number  4027

>If I said Ted Bundy was from Sarasota, would you automatically offer
>him respect?
 
Hey, go easy on Ted! He liked cats and loved (frequently stole, in
fact) VW Bugs, so he couldn't have been all bad! He just had a few
problems with interpersonal relations, that's all.
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From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hard Drives    
Date & Time: 04/28/90 18:33:30
Message Number  4028

  But the question was; is it germane for a BBS? I certainly don't 
know, but it would seem that it shouldn't. Then again - what do I know?
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From: SAURON              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S&M            
Date & Time: 04/28/90 18:39:20
Message Number  4029

...oh sure, humiliate me cause I'm ( <notice correct apostrophe) not
yet used to this keyboard and COULDN'T FIND the right key.
  mumble...mutter...grumble.
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From: SAURON              
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 04/28/90 18:43:14
Message Number  4030

  I'll go you one better...how about "Captain Midnight"?  I still like
Ovaltine, even after all these years.
    
  Hey - what a great idea for a message base - "nostalgia"
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From: SAURON              
To: DONTHEN             
Subject: Who????        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 18:46:29
Message Number  4031

  Just as an aside, the women in the old EC mags "Science-Fiction" and
"Science-Fantasy" looked like Vargas drawings:busty and scantily clad.
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From: DONTHEN             
To: BEATLE              
Subject: article        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 19:09:40
Message Number  4032

Well, dude, one problem with that article.  It's relevant only to people
in Sarasota.  Very few people outside the Tampa Bay area would find it
much more than wasted space.
    It may be a funny article, but from what you posted and from what
Tyler said about it, it's mostly about people who attend furry parties
here.  "Mythagoras" is already going out to people in California,
Philadelphia, Tennessee, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, etc.; we've gotten
six mail orders in the first week after the flyers went out with
FurVersion, and it's going to be reviewed in FURtherance #3, a funny
animal newszine originating in Philadelphia.  It's found its way to
people ranging from Edd Vick, owner/publisher of MU Press, to Richard
Pini, publisher/co-creator of "ElfQuest".  Stuff that's going into
'Thagoras obviously doesn't have to be "professional"--after all, it is
a fanzine--but it does have to be stuff that an interested funny animal
fan in Seattle, Washington, could pick up and potentially enjoy, not
something that comes across as an inside joke inaccessible to people not
in a particular small, local group.
    We'd be happy to take a look at it but from the description it
sounds like it'd be something more appropriate as a text file here on
aLTER rEALITY.
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From: SCOTT E             
To: ACAPULCO            
Subject: pee wee        
Date & Time: 04/28/90 21:14:14
Message Number  4033

no i wouldn't give ted any respect, but pee wee is obviously doing somet
hing right isn't he. Not many of us get paid for acting like a stupid 
bonehead, but he does. So we can at least give him credit for that.
he is no great actor as a matter of fact benji acts better then he does.
all I am saying is hey he is an actor from our area and makes a lot
of money doing it. I don't know you but if you made a lot of money 
acting dumb, I would still have a little respect for you too.Have a good
weekend. seeeeeee   yaaaaaaaa
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From: SCOTT E             
To: DELIA               
Subject: messages       
Date & Time: 04/28/90 21:21:40
Message Number  4034

well delia this is only my second week on here also and I am also 
learning how to do things. The best person to talk to about how to
do things is turtle. he got me started and I am learning new things 
everyday. I hope you have a good week. bye. write back soon
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From: SCOTT E             
To: CRYSTAL             
Subject: get well soon  
Date & Time: 04/28/90 21:23:47
Message Number  4035

[][][] here are a few hugs in hope that they will help you feel better.
also drink plenty of liquids and call me in the morning. Hope your week
goes better then last week. Although between the two of us I don't think
that it could get much worse then last week. also here drink this --[U
it is a cup of herbal tea guaranteed to make you feel better. bye my 
dear. seeeeeeeee   yaaaaaaaaaaaa
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From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Jelly          
Date & Time: 04/28/90 22:23:43
Message Number  4036

Bleeeaaacrrrhhhhh!
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From: CRYSTAL             
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: All Better     
Date & Time: 04/29/90 00:48:28
Message Number  4037

     Thanks, I feel better already.
                              * CRYSTAL *
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: KEN OBER            
Subject: -=*><*=-       
Date & Time: 04/29/90 01:13:36
Message Number  4038

...and I guess there is NO chance that we all percieve colors 
differently and we all actually have the same favorite color, but
our brain interpruts it to be somewhere different on the spectrum
of light. Like if I saw a leaf through you perception, I would 
call it BLUE, but you call it GREEN......It's all perception,
including the "disproven" things. Anything you state as fact, I can
say is not, and you cannot prove me wrong because I perceive things 
as I do, and you as you do.........be yourself, dude!!!!
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: SAURON              
Subject: thermodynamics 
Date & Time: 04/29/90 01:18:16
Message Number  4039

> "nostalgia".....
You could have the opening credits be the Alka-Seltzer Man, or maybe 
paging Phillip Morris. Or "blue dot" lights..........geeeezzzzz
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From: SNAKEBYTE           
To: ALL                 
Subject: Movies????     
Date & Time: 04/29/90 01:21:56
Message Number  4040

Okay gang, I hate to admit this, but I just got back from taking my
kids to see TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES and SPACED INVADERS. I feel
so ashamed I felt I should bare my soul and take my punishment. At
times I almost enjoyed them......whip me, beat me.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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From: SCOTT E             
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: call the doctor
Date & Time: 04/29/90 07:54:02
Message Number  4041

First I must say I have also gone to see TMNT and I also brought a child
to the movie. Snakebyte I believe that within yourself you really wanted
to see this movie more then your children did, but you felt you needed
to bring them so you weren't embarassed sitting there by yourself. At 
least that is the reason I bring small children to movies that I wouldn'
t see myself i.e. Bambi,American Tail and the little mermaid. All of 
which I enjoyed. Now for the thrashing. I heard from the critic who
loved Howard The Duck that he enjoyed Spaced Invaders so much more then
Howard. He liked that real original story of martians spending spring
break on earth. Come on how dumb can you get. At least They could have
called it Debbi does the Space Invaders. Oh well I hope at least at the 
movies you were laughing at the movies and not at yourself for being 
there. Have a good week!!!!!!
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From: KEN OBER            
To: SNAKEBYTE           
Subject: TURTLE POWER!  
Date & Time: 04/29/90 13:47:31
Message Number  4043

Well, I just saw Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for my 3rd time Friday.
 
So far, everyone I have taken to see it has loved it, or atleast
enjoyed the movie -- ANyways, if you haven't seen the movie, it is
a /MUST/!!!!  
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From: KEN OBER            
To: SCOTT E             
Subject: SPACED INVADERS
Date & Time: 04/29/90 13:49:54
Message Number  4044

Cowabunga, dudes!
 
Is SPACED INVADERS worth seeing?  I was thinking of going to see it 
sometime in the near future -- I hear it isn't like TMNT, where you
want to go see it again & again, but people say it is Okay....
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From: JONBOY              
To: BLACK MAGIC         
Subject: Hugo's there?  
Date & Time: 04/29/90 17:14:55
Message Number  4045

Hi!!  Glad to see ya back - I was wondering...
My friend just found a version with Anthony Perkins?  Ya know I'm not
sure WHO was in the one I dearly love (it's been years since I've seen
it - sigghhh) but it is in B&W (or was that 'cause the TV was???)
Anyway - educate me - which is in your esteemed opinion (and I say
esteemed because anyone who has my tastes has to be a wonderful,
kind, charismatic and otherwise brilliant person <grin>)
anyway - oh yeah - which is best?  Can I get a blank tape to you for
a dup - do you have the facilities to do it?  What's the plan?
I'm excited!  One of my favorite movies - now if I could only find a
very hard to find one called "BS - I Love You" - ever heard of that
one?  I think it is almost up there with Rocky Horror as a cult classic.
  Too bad about the sick - me too this week plus a round of general
depression - enuf to wanna make ya quit sometimes...
 
                               JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Jammer         
Date & Time: 04/29/90 17:36:49
Message Number  4046

Seems that the radar gun is going laser tho - there are a couple of
experimental setups around Dallas that are also coupled to the 
infamous "smile yer on candid camera" system that I poked around until
the HWY Patrol told me to 'go 'way (it was mounted on an overpass).
InfraRed anyone?  I have the Road&Track article on the stealth tech
stuff which has the company name that sells the bras and raw material.
 
                                JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: S100 fast ?    
Date & Time: 04/29/90 17:41:04
Message Number  4047

We are talking dangling parts here - I really meant hacked to shit!
I got it from an amateur rocket scientist at Thiokol.
 
                               JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Z stuff        
Date & Time: 04/29/90 17:42:56
Message Number  4048

No it's really bad - I'm locked into a silly menu system with NO way
into the real guts - worse than a simple user - I worry them because
I know what it is.  I still remember the scream when I asked for
access to MACRO and the C compiler.  They IMMEDIATELY told me where
I stood... sighhh.  She sounded like such a _nice_ lady.
 
                         JonBoy
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From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: me myself and I
Date & Time: 04/29/90 17:46:11
Message Number  4049

I wrote a nifty little scheme that used SMC (self mod code) once.
It was such a bear to debug - 'course it was /supposed/ to be!
Assembly is only efficient if you stay away from macros and if you
program anything of serious size you /will/ use macros - then POOF
your code size goes up and some stuff isn't quite as tight anymore.
                       JonBoy
PS : Ithought you said you had 6ms floppies in an earlier message???
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From: DELPHI              
To: CHIP P. UNICORN     
Subject: Godtalk        
Date & Time: 04/29/90 18:54:28
Message Number  4050

Okay. Sometimes terms can be confusing and I tend to get carried away.
Also, the Process keeps going and I'm always questioning the previous
conclusion. I do believe that humanity is material/physical and spritiua
l and that the physical is spiritual. But I see the Process -- that kind
of god/goddess -- as active Be-ing, a verb rather than a noun. 
The existence of entities such as angel-like gods and goddesses are 
another matter to me. They seem to be more a part of conscious, less
active but nonetheless existing reality that we can experience more
passively. Just because we are visually on this plane does not mean
there are no others that may cross over and interact with us here. Maybe
it is simply where our concentration is focusing at that moment.
Well, is this making sense yet? I've been inactive in philosophy
but am reawakening this interest and look forward to further
conversations.
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