From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:47:08
Message Number 11901

>It is still a nonsense word. Who would be afraid of a pansy?
    
   ALL phobias are irrational, including homophobia. That doesn't mean
they're not real. 
    
   A mix 'n match collection of phobias:
    
pedophobia (fear of children);  hagiophobia (fear of saints);   theo-
phobia (fear of God);  ailurophobia (fear of cats);   vermiphobia (fear
of worms);   anthophobia (fear of flowers);   aulophobia (fear of 
flutes);   eisoptrophobia (fear of mirrors);   chrometophobia (fear of
money);   trichophobia (fear of hair);   doraphilia (love of fur);
barophobia (fear of gravity);   cymophobia (fear of waves);   eoso-
phobia (fear of dawn); dikephobia (fear of justice);  chromophobia (fear
of color);   agyrophobia (fear of crossing a street).;..
    
   The list just goes on and on... All of those are REAL fears, caused
by irrational reasons. Nobody in her right mind would say that there
is anything terrible to fear in any of the above... 
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/05/91 11:58:22
Message Number 11902

I doubt ANYONE could be as far from the point as your last message.
     
>You don't want to fight, you criticize those who would, yet you
>enjoy all the benefits of a country that has fought many times
>to maintain it's freedom... am I right?
    
   First of all, I doubt the most dedicated soldier in the field
WANTS to fight. (Unless he's a psychopath...) Nobody wants to die
for their country. Most soldiers have resigned themselves to the fact
that they may have to die, that's all.
   Secondly, this war is NOT about the freedoms of this country. It is
strictly a war for economic reasons. Our Illustrious Leaders have de-
cided that it would be cheaper in the long run to fight this war (and,
incidentally, pull this country from its recession) than it would be
to pay higher prices for oil.  Kuwait is not a democracy. In fact, it
doesn't have the equivalent of our Bill of Rights. This is NOT a war
to save the country.
     
   It seems you're dividing all of us into black and white: pacifists
and 'True Americans.' Not only is it simplistic, it's wrong. Almost
all Americans will fight bravely if our nation is attacked physically.
Not all Americans feel it's worth the sacrifice of our soldiers to
keep the cost of oil down.
    
   Let me phrase it to you this way: If by suiciding, you know that
oil will sell at $15/ barrel for the next five years, would you
suicide? Is YOUR, personal life worth it to know that the cost of
oil will be low for the next few years? If not, why would you send
thousands of others to their deaths for that purpose?
               /Dragonfly/
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:07:57
Message Number 11903

R> i just toss two pieces of white bread, some jelly, some peanut butter
and a splash of milk in the blender, and blend it up.  Saves from all 
that chewing ya gotta do otherwise.  And the jelly alway drips out if 
make a sandwich the conventional way. 
   
That's a little odd, don't youy think.  
I bet clean up is a bitch.  
BTW< what's the consistency like of that combination?
I'd guess that it's pretty gross. 
But, in your defense, I must admit that I can't eat a PB & J without 
a big glass of milk. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:12:10
Message Number 11904

TS> Who would be afraid of a pansy?  
  
I bet there are plenty of faggots out there that could ring your neck, 
or mine for that matter. Being homosexual doesn't make them a wimp or 
a push-over in a fight.  True enough, some of them are pansies, but 
definitely not all of them. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:17:11
Message Number 11905

TS> Hanging out with gays makes other believe that you may swing that 
TS> way, too. 
   
Well, I've had other gay friends that understood, and excepted my
position and never even made an attempt on me.  Whether or not you 
approve of them for their sexual perfernce doesn't make them any less 
HUMAN.  Yes, they're human too, they have feelings, wants, needs, goals,
and a desire to be loved, just like anyone else.  
  
Yes, I know, I know. Shoot them on shot.  But gays are people too. 
"yeah, just like protesters, cannon-fodder." , right Specialist? 
  
Just for the record, this is /not/ meant to annoy you. But perhaps to 
get you to open your heart up to others.  (not trying to be mushy 
either) I'd just like to see you except people the way they are, for 
what they are, instead of judging and seeing if they match up to 
/your/ standards.  
Besides, if everyone agreed with you, you'd have no one to argue with, 
and we know you wouldn't want that. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:24:31
Message Number 11906

T & TS> Hen party. 
  
Huh, I don't get it?  I know I've never hear the end of it, but what's 
the joke? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:25:58
Message Number 11907

TS> Slobs! How do they clean their knifes (sic, that's knives!) neatly!
   
You are one to talk are /Slobs/ 
But, yes, you are showing improvement. :) 
Smile. 
Have a day. 
Scott Steel
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:35:15
Message Number 11910

TS> "One, Two, Three...*CRUNCH* ...Three."
  
TS> The world will never know. 
  
One of your more intelligent responses, I must say. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:39:22
Message Number 11911

Why was Spock supposed to be red? 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/05/91 13:43:11
Message Number 11912

DF>....If not, why would you send thousands of others to their deaths 
DF> for that purpose? 
  
You had a good arguement there and you blew the whole thing with your 
last statement.   Only a few of the thousands over there have died.  
And this war has /proven/ itself not to be a suicide mission. 
  
Bad choice for a closing arguement. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/05/91 18:53:53
Message Number 11913

> What's Chekov's first name?
 
 Pavel.
 
  What's Sulu's first name?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/05/91 19:00:10
Message Number 11914

>...answer your question?
 
  Gee, you've got some stuff in there that Turtle likes... as a matter 
of fact, you would sort of be a bridge between my favorite kinds of 
music (Billy Joel, and a couple other things on your list) and Turtle's 
favorite kinds of music (Rush, Pink Floyd, etc...)
 
  With some more persuasion, you could like Heavy Metal (well, SOME of 
it)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Holy Grail     
Date & Time: 02/05/91 19:03:36
Message Number 11915

> "You've got two 'alves of cocoanuts and your bangin' 'em tugetha!"
 
 "Do you mean to suggest that cocoanuts migrate?"
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: (Part III      
Date & Time: 02/05/91 19:10:30
Message Number 11916

 
  Thanks for the history lesson. It might have been slightly "slanted",
but I thought you did a good job of keeping your opinions out (I know 
they would have been REALLY strong)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: PA             
Date & Time: 02/05/91 19:16:35
Message Number 11917

> Remember, it's always good to sacrafice a student or two as long as
> the administration doesn't have to deal with upset parents...
 
  Oh yes, the rationale behind banning books from school libraries! I 
should have remembered...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: The word...    
Date & Time: 02/05/91 19:18:02
Message Number 11918

> I like "They Might Be Giants."
 
 I recall a day when you and I were out with Zot Gnop and you were 
looking a bit discouraged by their music...
===========

From: BOB SOMERVILLE      
To: SYSOP               
Subject: BBS A/R        
Date & Time: 02/05/91 22:45:00
Message Number 11919

it before.  I have worked extensively with the Votec Voice as a user and
a Sysop.  The command structure is a little different and will take some
getting use to.  Thanks for the help.  I will try to get going on one 
of the boards soon.
===========

From: NIGHT OWL           
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/05/91 23:10:28
Message Number 11921

I saw that too, it was onTonight,
wasn't it?
 
What's your favorite thing to go with Peanut Butter? Mine's strawberry 
preserves.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/06/91 04:52:20
Message Number 11922

> Huh??
 
  It must have got garbled. And it also was meant to point out that 
you've started throwing in comments about the Specialist with your 
messages. Not that he doesn't do it, but it surprised me to see you do 
it, since you make it clear that you believe to "attack the issue, not
the person."
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Rationality    
Date & Time: 02/06/91 04:55:14
Message Number 11923

> "Many of the truths we hold dear are dependent on our point of view."
 
  Interesting choice of quotes... While it applies, I always felt that
was a cheap contrivance to explain why Darth Vader was Luke's father. 
They could have left it more ambiguous in the first film and avoided 
that.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:01:38
Message Number 11924

> Why, the bread, course!
 
  Not if you're on a TV game show aimed at kids... They'll frequently
use peanut butter and jelly without bread at all.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:03:08
Message Number 11925

> ...dismissing the song solely because it doesn't support a "popular"
> war.
 
  I don't think that's the main thing that was floating around here. The
Specialist is always opinionated, and he just stated that he didn't like
the song. His expanded comments, including the one about money going to 
the artists, came after Turtle and I claimed that the song wasn't a 
piece of junk.
 
  BTW, where did you hear about where the money goes? I saw a couple 
reports on TV about the making of the song, and they NEVER mentioned 
where the money is going. I'm not trying to disagree with you, but if
they aren't more forthright in telling where the profit goes, more 
people might assume what The Specialist did.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:11:07
Message Number 11926

 
> Homophobic is a word made up by fags to cover up their... abnormality.
 
  While I disagree with that statement totally, I see the point you made
with your message. The question is: How would you act if you met one. 
This would determine if homophobia went along with your hatred.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:16:13
Message Number 11927

> Tell me that the people who sang... wanted to have another hit single
 
  They didn't. I've seen the people on the record talk about it. Many of
them support the troops but would prefer peace over war, which I think 
most people would.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:18:35
Message Number 11928

> I said heavy metal in general.
 
  Yes, but why deal in generalities. If you makestatements about things
in general, you open yourself up to problems...
 
> Anf my statement about the way it sounds is for the most part accurate
 
  Could be. I don't remember what you said. Even Turtle will agree with 
you that not all heavy metal is good. I've heard him say very negative 
things about some groups (Poison, for one)... And if you MUST categorize
music, there are a couple types of heavy metal. I know of "speed metal" 
and "thrash metal", and for the most part, I can't STAND thrash metal...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:22:26
Message Number 11929

> Uhura's second language...Swahilii.
 
 Right, unless you might want to say that she knew Swahili before 
English.
 
>...the color of Spock's blood.
 
 Green.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/06/91 05:27:19
Message Number 11930

> What color was Spock... supposed to be? And why was it changed?
 
  I /think/ that he was going to be red, and it was changed because he
would look too much like the devil...
 
  By the way, Channel 44 will be running their annual Star Trek marathon
next Friday (the 15th)...
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/06/91 07:18:50
Message Number 11931

Jeez!  And I was afraid that I would be *so* far behind in my required
reading assignment!  I see someone else has been prodding at the 
Specialist's achillies heel.  I always wanted to know - what is the
latin-ese term for a phobia of a phobia?  Can we get recursive and have
phobias of having phobias of having phobias?  What's the limit?  I did
notice one thing that piqued my curiosity... who in the hell would have 
a fear of flutes?  How many documented cases of this are there?  Is
it really an irrational fear (phobia) if the poor sucker that aquired
the fear did so because he was pursued and subsequently ravished by 
a dozen satyrettes that thought the epitome of feminine desire was 
exemplified by Rosanne Barr (while playing the pan pipes and making
general mockery of Zamphir by providing counterpoint on recorders)?
What is reality?  What is a reality phobia?
 
			                                      JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/06/91 07:27:01
Message Number 11932

Besides, if everyone agreed with you, you'd have no one to argue with,
and we know you wouldn't want that.
 
Oh yes he would - The Specialist really is a nice guy (I've met him)
he really doesn't want to argue something that he has as an ingrained
(if irrational) belief.  He *will* stand by his position (right or wrong
is purely relevant).  Dave is probably pretty tired of hearing that the
world despises his position and would rather it drop from the list of
approved "let's bash TS" list.  He has stated for the record many times
that he doesn't really give a shit if anyone agrees/disagrees with him
just respect his position as his right to have the one that he does.
*that* is the part that most folks have real trouble with.  You can see
that gay people have a right to their lifestyle and system of beliefs
but you have to also give the bigots the same rights.  Ain't it a
marvellous country?  Dave is entitled to despise gay people and have any
sort of opinion that he wants to.
                                        JonBoy
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:24:50
Message Number 11933

The "women are more emotionally stable" and "women have more stamina"
bits come from a long and, in the end, fruitless career in psychology
and physiological psychology I had in college while still pursuing a
combined degree in neurobiology and computer science. There's ample
evidence out there that common American sexual stereotypes are myths,
including a few societies where men are considered to be too weak to
do any real work. Anyway, the upshot of all this is: Women, in general,
react to stress better than men. (Think about it--you don't often
hear of female Type A personalities getting stress ulcers or having
heart attacks at the age of 35.) Women deal better, on average (note
the phrase--it does NOT imply ANYTHING about particular men and women)
with physical pain, with emotional trauma, and with constant stress--
all important considerations in a battlefield. Crying has nothing to
do with it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:29:43
Message Number 11934

>I would like to interject with a story about endurance in men as
>opposed to women.
 
Thank you. And I would like to explain a little bit about statistics.
On the average, men are better than women at standardized math tests.
However, from that you cannot make any predictions about the relative
performance of an average male plucked at random from the street vs.
a random female plucked from the street. Group samplings apply to
GROUPS, and don't allow you to make specific statements about specific
individuals. If I find you a woman who can do better than you, or
than I, on a standardized math test--and believe me, I can--it doesn't
change the fact that men, on average, do better than women on standard-
ized math tests.
 
I say again: Women, on average, have better stamina than men.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:34:29
Message Number 11935

>Who would be afraid of a pansy?
 
Depends on the pansy. I know some pansises who could kick your ass.
Nothing personal. There is also a difference between fear of physical
harm and irrational fear, which the suffix "-phobia" implies to begin
with.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:36:25
Message Number 11936

>Rebuttal, Turtle?
 
Nope. You raised some purely practical points (as opposed to
philosophical points) that hadn't occurred to me. While I am not,
in principle, opposed to the idea of women in combat, I must admit
you came up with some damn good reasons for it not to happen.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:37:56
Message Number 11937

I don't think the word "homopathic" has a dictionary entry, but the
suffix "-pathic" generally indicates either a strong hatred for or
an inability to cope with something, as in "sociopathic,"
"psychopathic," and even "pathology" 8the study of virulent
organisms).
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a..huh?
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:42:00
Message Number 11938

T>...but what do I know?
 
TS>Geeze, an awful lot...
 
Thanks!
 
TS>...you're the warehouse for totally unneeded facts.
 
I think.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:43:11
Message Number 11939

>I won't be associated.
 
Feeling a little sexually insecure? I am secure enough about MY
sexuality that I don't give a flying fuck who gets what impression...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Talismans & You
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:44:25
Message Number 11940

>Gays use it like it was some sort of talisman...to ward off normal
>people.
 
Gays don't use the word "homophobic" to describe "normal" people, they
use it to describe people with an irrational hatred of gays. For that
matter, so do I.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:46:34
Message Number 11941

>Hee hee: He's got pathos for homosexuals? I doubt it. I doubt he has
>any sympathy for homosexuals...
 
...just like a socioPATHIC individual has no sympathy for society. I'm
sure someone reasonably versed in modern English usages can figure out
what the word means.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:49:52
Message Number 11942

>Hmmmm... I wonder what a meeting between the Specialist and Zjonni
>would be like...
 
They'd get along great, swapping stories about nasty situations they've
been in and whatnot, until the Specialist found out...then he'd say
something rude and Zjonni would kill him.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Peace & stuff  
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:54:10
Message Number 11943

>Only a few of the thousands over there have died.
 
We're getting set for a ground war. Give it time.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:55:26
Message Number 11944

Hey, Turtle doesn't have anything against Billy Joel! In fact, he
thinks the new version of "Give Peace a Chance" desperately needs an
infusion of Billy Joel lyrical ability:
 
"Little Rock, Ho Chi Minh
 Richard Nixon back again
 Stockweather homicides
 Children of Thalydimide...
 All we are saaaaaying, is give peace a chance!"
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: protesters     
Date & Time: 02/06/91 23:58:34
Message Number 11945

The "back and forth" between The Specialist and myself isn't as deadly
serious as you seem to think it is...we both understand that the issue
is the thing. No, the rule is still in full force.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 00:01:23
Message Number 11946

>...I can't STAND thrash metal...
 
Good for you.
 
By the way, where did the subject "various" come from? I was just
digging through the message base doing maintenance, and noticing that
messages with that subject line were cropping up over three months ago.
Anyone remember where "various" came from??
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/07/91 02:29:42
Message Number 11947

SS> Why was Spock supposed to be red?
    
   Why? I dunno. Why was green, not blue chosen as the color of his 
skin? I dunno. I just got that fact from a Trek trivia book.
          /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/07/91 02:30:53
Message Number 11948

Actually, it will be an extremely good argument, once the ground troops
start fighting. I expect that will begin within... about 72 hours.
(Set your watches!)
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 02:35:39
Message Number 11949

To answer your questions in order:
Phobophobia.
Yes.
42.
The tubaist.
42.
Yes.
All there is.
Panophobia, I suppose.
     
     Glad to be of assistance!    /Dragonfly/
    
I certainly hope this message confuses you as much as your message
confused me.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -phobe?        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 02:41:02
Message Number 11950

T>...just like a socioPATHIC individual has no sympathy for society. I'm
T>sure someone reasonably versed in modern English usages can figure out
T>what the word means.
    
   Like the words PATHetic, emPATHIC, telePATHIC, and so forth? I get
it. I speek reel gud English.
                /Dragonfly/
    
   Mein Gott in Himmel! Did I really write that? Blame it on the time of
night.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 02:45:59
Message Number 11951

Bingo!
            /Dragonfly/
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/07/91 17:32:00
Message Number 11953

> BTW, what ARE you planning on doing out of a 7-11?
 
  HE says he'll be taking notes and sending it back to the puter at 
home... but I bet he'll get some people questioning those cashiers once 
in a while :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/07/91 17:34:36
Message Number 11954

>... at The Gap or some office somewhere...
 
  Isn't The Gap one of those clothing stores at the mall? I wouldn't 
equate that type of job with "an office somewhere". Usually I see the 
bimbos working in those places.
 
> ...very intelligent but totally unmotivated...
 
  Count me in!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ET stuff       
Date & Time: 02/07/91 17:41:32
Message Number 11955

> Hey, what do you think happens to the old messages...?
 
  Uh, do they go to the homeless?
 
> They don't evaporate; they go into this motherhuge .LZH arcive...
 
  Darn, I was wrong. Anyways, I wanna wade through those some lazy 
weekend... It would be cool to assemble those into a book or something.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/07/91 17:48:31
Message Number 11956

> Who was generally Bones' second in command?
 
  In the medical area? Nurse Christine Chappel (Later Doctor)... which 
leads me to more trivia. In both series (discounting only the cartoons
and movies) of Star Trek, name all the roles that Majel Barrett has had.
(That's four in all, and you already know one!!)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/07/91 17:56:52
Message Number 11957

> I mean, for examply, you're more likely to see a woman crying in
> public...
 
  I know you said it was a bad example, but a lot of guys wouldn't cry 
in public because they wouldn't want to be seen. Its an old thing, but 
it still holds true for some guys. There are probably some REALLY 
emotionally unstable guys who wouldn't EVER cry in public and keep their
problems to themselves. Of course, if you carry this out, it could make
MORE problems.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:01:41
Message Number 11958

> ...small hut in the Tibetan mountains...
 
 Is this where the Dali Lamma has been hiding??
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:05:08
Message Number 11959

> Hanging out with gays makes others believe that you may be swinging 
> that way, too.  I won't be asociated.
 
  I /could/ have agreed that you were not afraid of gays, but not since 
I read that. THAT scenario screams fear. It insinuates to me that you 
would be afraid to associate with people your "friends" didn't like. I 
really wouldn't worry about that myself, since most of the people I know
are pretty liberal.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:11:15
Message Number 11960

 
  I don't believe that if you advocate non-violence, it doesn't mean 
that you wouldn't fight.  Most people would rather have peace than war, 
so does that mean that they wouldn't fight if they had to? I don't 
really want to get into the war, or any conflict because a) I wouldn't 
like it b) I wouldn't be very confident that I would do very well and c)
I hope the war wouldn't be that serious. This doesn't mean that if I was
called to go, I would "go to Canada" (what a cliche)... I would do what 
I was told to do.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:17:46
Message Number 11961

> Aha... What DO you do with a Toad Slurpee...?
 
 You could probably sell it to an underfunded science department at a 
local school.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:27:27
Message Number 11962

> ...but you have to also give the bigots the same rights.
 
  How true... but we just like to fight ignorance here. Y'know, a lot
of us are members of the Junior Chaper of Ultra Sheep. :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:31:26
Message Number 11963

> Hey! Turtle doesn't have anything against Billy Joelll...
 
 I'm not sure to take that as sarcastic or not based on the rest of the
rest of the message... and I never meant to imply that you had anything
against him, just that I like him better than you.
 
> ... an infusion of lyrical ability...
 
 
  Actually, the two songs are practically the SAME. Think about it. A 
mess of lyrics that just rattle off a list with a repeating chorus with 
no bearing on the rest of the song, which also contains the main 
statement (and title) of the song... 
 
  Gee, that's pretty amazing, ain't it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:37:03
Message Number 11964

> Anyone remember where "various" came from??
 
  I thought that WE asked YOU those questions. :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:39:54
Message Number 11965

> Bingo!
 
 Did that have anything to do with the previous "Mein Got Heimell"??
 
 BTW, what does the above badly quoted, most likely German, phrase mean?
I hope it's worthy of the laughter it caused me. Gee, I laugh at 
everything.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 18:43:22
Message Number 11966

> ...that I like him better than you...
 
  Egads! Did I actually SAY that... Geesh, I hate when my English skills
elude me. At least I'm confused as hell since we started reading 
Shakespeare. The funny thing is that I'm /understanding/ it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: work           
Date & Time: 02/07/91 20:14:59
Message Number 11967

The Gap is a mall clothing store. The average, run-of-the-mill person
with little experience is more likely to take a job at a shopping mall
or at an office than at a McDonald's; you don't get much in the way of
average anyone at McDonald's. The very stupid or the very bright (and
sometimes the VERY weird), but not a lot of in-between.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 20:18:20
Message Number 11968

The songs Give Peace a Chance and We Didn't Start The Fire are
/nothing/ alike. The lyrics to We Didn't Start have EVERYTHING to
do with the chorus. That song is a response to something one of Billy
Joel's fans told him one day, along the lines of "All the world's
problems started after the 60's and if everyone were today the way they
were then we wouldn't have these problems. They are all the fault of the
current generation." The song is a litany of the social and political
problems that occurred before or had their roots in the 60's and 70's,
and the refrain "We Didn't Start the Fire" is directly related to those
lyrics. What he's saying is "Hey, look, we didn't start all these
problems; look at this, this, and this, all of which were not the
respnsibility of the current generation." If you don't think that
the lyrics and refrain have anything to do with each other, you don't
get the song.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 20:22:33
Message Number 11969

"Mein Gott im Himmel" means "My God in Heaven." Simple, ja?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/07/91 23:53:10
Message Number 11970

B> Speed metal and thrash metal... 
  
It's about time that /someone/ pointed out the fact that there are 
categories to Heavy Metal.  Personally, speed metal I hate speed metal. 
But I do like some thrash.  I love mushing too. 
I hate satan- metal (if you will), groups like Vemon and King Diamond. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/07/91 23:56:08
Message Number 11971

B> 44 is running their Star Trek marathon next Firday... 
  
Yes, I know, and I gonna tape too. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/07/91 23:57:45
Message Number 11972

JB> Stupid shit....stupid shit...more stupid shit.... What is a reality 
phobia?  
  
Boy, Jonboy, you write some of the most useless stuff I've ever had the 
unfortunate pleasure(?) of reading. 
But to answer your question...as least as far as you're concerned... 
the fear of growing up!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:01:14
Message Number 11973

Newbies..what in hell do you mean by that statement? 
  
Just for your information, seems to me that you think that I don't know 
the Specialist that well, well, NEWS FLASH, We're roommates. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:04:50
Message Number 11974

Not to disregard your statement, but I don't you could find a woman who 
could do better than me on a standardized math test. 
I /did/ graduate with honors in Math. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:16:37
Message Number 11975

B> What's Sulu's first name? 
  
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ummmmmm....Hmmmmmmm...Ummmmmmmm...hmmmmmmm.....(Damn).....hmmmmmmummmmm
   
Got me there.  But please /no/ one post the answer until I ask for the 
answer.  I do believe I know this one, but I'm tired and the brain isn't
running at optimum proficiency.  
Thanks. 
Good question. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:22:11
Message Number 11976

DF>[lesbian] was an extremely good business-person, [etc]
 
So what?  There's a lot of hetros who are extremely good at what 
they do too, but so what?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:27:53
Message Number 11977

DF>...nobody in her right mind...
 
Eh?  "her" right mind?  Was that a typo or do you speak from personal
experience?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:30:15
Message Number 11978

My point was this:  What good is a pacifist's opinion, when it comes
to anything war related?  All they can tell you is that you shouldn't
fight.  
 
And one more thing...this war is not for the sake of convenience. It 
is a necessary war.  Petty dictators like Hussien, left unchecked 
turn into Hitlers.  And whether you like it or not, this country runs
on oil, and isn't likely to change in the near future.  So if it means
sending troops over there to stop a mideast takeover, then it needs to
be done.  Bush made a choice, the lesser of the two evils.  You saw how 
people got riled when the oil companies raised thier prices 15 to 20 
cents; what if they'd raised it a dollar, not because they wanted to,
but because that's what they were paying?  Figure the odds.  If we let
Hussien do what he wanted, then that's what'd probably happen.
 
Furthermore, don't chew me out because I am willing to bear out my
responsibilities to this country and someone else doesn't want to do
SHIT for his country.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:37:39
Message Number 11979

SS>I bet there are plenty of faggots out there who could ring your
SS> neck...
  
I doubt it, my neck's not very musical. 
 
SS>Being homosexual doesn't make them a winp or a push-over in a fight.
 
Yes, Max pointed out to me that he knew a tough one or two.  The ones 
who are tough are few and far between, though, and for the most part 
they are a pretty sorry lot.  Besides, I have no problem with killing 
the ones who *can* beat me.  Self defense, doncha know.  He was gonna
beat me up.  Yes, sir, that's why I shot the mother.  Oh, I know, he
took the whole 30 round clip before he sat down, I guess my finger 
locked up or something.
 
 Here, you don't look so bad.  BRRRRRRRRRRRRAP!  Scum.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:45:20
Message Number 11980

SS>blah, blah, blah...they are human, too, ya know, blah, blah
 
Yes, and so are the mongoloids, and the lepers, but I don't hang out 
with them.  
 
SS>..cannon fodder, blah, blah
 
Only if they got in the way.
 
SS> Besides, if everyone agreed with you, you'd have no one to argue 
SS> with
 
If everyone agreed with me, then Turtle would hate fags too.  But if
everyone agreed with me, then there would *BE* no fags, and I would 
want that.  
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:48:00
Message Number 11981

T & TS> hen party...
SS>Duh, I don't get it? ...what's the joke?
 
Fags act like old ladies at a tea party.  (Or a hen party, where old
ladies get together and gossip and the like).
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:49:35
Message Number 11982

===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:50:18
Message Number 11983

SS>Why was Spock supposed to be red?
 
Something about he was supposed to be from Mars, I think.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:51:29
Message Number 11984

B>With some more persuasion, you could like HM (well, some of it)...
 
What kind of "persuasion" are we talking about here?  Torture?  Threats?
Blackmail?  Otherwise, I think not.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: (Part III      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:52:59
Message Number 11985

B>Thanks for the history lesson. 
 
You're welcome.  I'm still waiting for Turtle's rebuttal.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PB& ???        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:54:05
Message Number 11986

NOx>...fav thing with peanut butter...
 
Bannanas.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 00:55:59
Message Number 11987

B>The question is: How would you act if you met one.  This would 
B>determine if homophobia went along with your hatred.
 
Depends, I suppose.  If he was introduced to me and didn't act like a 
flaming faggot, and didn't show any telltale signs, and no one told me
that he was, I imagine I'd treat him like anyone else.  
 But if he was introduced to me, acted like a flaming faggot, I'd be 
...I'd stay away from him as much as possible, and if he approched me,
I'd warn him that I am the violent type, and if he didn't go away right
away, I wouldn't hesitate to demonstrate.  I absolutely HATE that type 
of behavior.
  But, if someone told me he was a faggot, and he didn't act like one
at all, then I'd reserve my judgement until all the facts were in. 
Kinda stay back but watch closely.  Can't automatically assume someone
is a fag just because you are told he is.  Unless, he admitted it. Then
in that case, I'd stay away from him, and treat him as if he were a 
flamer, like in example one. An admitted fag is almost as bad as a 
flamboyant flamer.
 
  There are exceptions to the above, like for instance if an admitted
fag who was not a flamer needed my help and I was the only one who could
help him then I guess (depending on the severity of the need) I would
help.   This is an extreme exception.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:06:51
Message Number 11988

Ah, JB, I see that your back...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:08:05
Message Number 11989

Ah, eloquently put, JB.
 
JB>...that he really doesn't give a shit...
 
JB>...also have to give bigots the same rights.  Ain't it a marvelous
JB>country?
 
Ah, yes, well put...well put indeed.  And it is a *marvelous* country.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:11:24
Message Number 11990

T>There is also a difference between fear of physical harm and 
T>irrational fear, which the suffix "-phobia" implies...
 
I do not have fear, period.  Not for physical harm, certainly.  And
not other peripheral fears, either.  
 
Stop trying to make the word fit, Turtle.  It simply doesn't apply.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:18:36
Message Number 11991

T>While I am not, in principle, opposed to the idea of women in comat,
T>I must admit that you came up with some damn good resons for it not
T>to happen.
 
Lemme get this straight.  Philisophically, you would like to see women
in combat, kinda like the ERA thing, but practically you know it can't
(or shouldn't be allowed to) happen.  
 
So with this in mind, can we say that you and I agree?  Because 
certainly, that is the way that I look at it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: -pathy         
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:21:06
Message Number 11992

T>...indicates either a stong hatred for or an inablity to cope with
T>something...
 
Ah, yes, that's perfect.  A strong hatred indeed...but I can cope
to a point.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a..huh?
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:22:38
Message Number 11993

T>But what do I know?
TS>>Geeze, an awful lot...
T>Thanks!
TS>>Your're the warehouse for totally unneeded facts.
T>I think.
 
I know.  You think too much, somethimes.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:23:57
Message Number 11994

TS>>I won't be associated.
T>Feeling a little sexually insecure?  I am secure enough about MY
T>sexuality that I don't give a flying fuck who get's what impression...
 
Apparently.  
 
Even though, you are looking at it from *your* viewpoint, and not mine.
I HATE fags, and I simply don't want to be associated with a bunch of
cock suckers.   My "sexuality" has nothing to do with the issue, other
than mine is normal and thiers are perverted.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Talismans & You
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:26:56
Message Number 11995

T>...they use it to describe people with an irrational hatred of gays.
T>For that matter, so do I.
 
Then you both use it inaccurately.  And most of the ones you describe 
actually are normal.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:29:12
Message Number 11996

T>...he'd say something rude and Zjonni would kill him.
 
Thanks for the warning.  I'll bring a "bigger gun".
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:30:20
Message Number 11997

T>...desperately needs an infusion of Billy Joel lyrical ability:
T> [etc]
 
Oh, please!  I'm sure he wouldn't lower his standards.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:35:03
Message Number 11998

B>THAT scenario screams fear.  It insinuates to me that you would be 
B>afraid to associate with people your "friends" didn't like.
 
No, again, you are looking at it from *your* viewpoint.  I won't 
that is, I don't want ANYONE to think I am gay, not just my friends.
Besides, anyone who knows me knows I hate gays, so I'm not worried at 
all about what my friends think.  And most of my friends are pretty 
liberal too (tolerate gays).
 
I got news for you people...I am dropping this thread.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:40:32
Message Number 11999

DF>>Bingo!
DF>>Mien Got [sic] Heimell!
 
B>...what does the above...mean?
 
I believe it means, "My God, Heimell!"
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:43:18
Message Number 12000

SS>I love mushing too.
 
Do you by any chance, mean "moshing"
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 01:44:15
Message Number 12001

SS>The Specialist...NEWS FLASH, we're roommates.
 
Ah, just to clarify, we are APPARTMENT CO-DWELLERs.  Sorry, Scot,
the word roommate is just a little *too* chummy.
===========

From: MYCROFT HOLMES      
To: ALL                 
Subject: Chaos???       
Date & Time: 02/08/91 03:28:12
Message Number 12002

Anyone know what happed to Courts of Chaos?  I called this morning 
at about 3:00 and I got a "this # is no longer in service" message
Does anyone have the what up on this????
Thanks,
   Myke
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:08:23
Message Number 12003

DF> Aha... What DO you do with a Toad Slurpee...?
   
B> You could probably sell it to an underfunded science department at a
B> local school.
    
   Naaaah. Toad Slurpees have all the toad parts mixed together into
one toad mass, organs, bones, skin, and muscles. Not much use in a
Biology department.
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:14:19
Message Number 12004

"Mein Gott in Himmell" means "My God in Heaven," a reasonably mild
and reasonably common German exclamation. What did you THINK it meant?
                    /DF/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:19:00
Message Number 12005

SS> Not to disregard your statement, but I don't you could find a 
SS> woman who could do better than me on a standardized math test.
SS> I /did/ graduate with honors in Math.
    
   I know of several female New College math graduates. (Graduates of
New College automatically get a 3.5 GPA -- I don't remember if that's
magma cum laude or summa cum laude.)  Which graduate schools did you
get into?
              /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:22:58
Message Number 12006

DF>[lesbian] was an extremely good business-person, [etc]
    
TS> So what? There's a lot of hetros [sic] who are extremely good at
TS> what they do too, but so what?
     
   I'd say that's everything to the topic, Specialist. You agree that
one's sexuality has nothing to do with how good of a business-person
one is, right? Going further, I (and probably Turtle) believe one's
sexuality has little to do with any of one's talents. Or how likeable
or unlikeable that person is.
                    /Dragonfly/
   
    Think about skin color in the Army. I'm sure you know some blacks/
whites/yellows/browns who you personally don't care for, despite their
skin color. And think of others who you like, despite their skin color.
I think similarly about sexual preference.
  
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:34:26
Message Number 12007

TS> Eh? "her" right mind?  Was that a typo or do you speak from personal
TS> experience?
     
   A typo. I meant to type 'their.' <Sah-ree!>
              /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:36:36
Message Number 12008

<Sigh.> This conversation sounds familiar. 
   What good is a war hawk's opinion on anything war related? All he'll
(or she'll) tell you is you should fight.
   Face it: for good or bad, we live in a democracy. If there's enough
popular support for a war, we fight. If enough pacifists come into the
scene (especially if enough voting pacifists come into the scene!), we
withdraw. Politicians care only about one thing: staying in office. If
withdrawing troops from the Middle East will keep them in office, so muc
the better.
    
   My personal position on the war is that it is not a just war. Yes,
we have an excellent reason for starting the war (the takeover of Kuwait
is more than sufficient reason.) We have an international organization
on our side as well. My fault with the war: we did not try out all 
possible other measures to prevent the need for war. You know that I
don't feel the sanctions were given enough time! Five months' sanctions,
and you expect Saddam to fall to his knees? No way.
   
   I feel the greatest of all goods would be to starve Iraq out of 
Kuwait.
   
   Finally, not one of the users of this board (that I've noticed!) has
claimed that they would be draft-dodging, should the war come down to
that. I certainly would have the easiest time of it: not only do I
speak Spanish, but my parents own a house in Mexico. Much better
climate than Canada, no? 
   Even still, I would mention my several physical problems. When I
scored within the top 10 percentile on the pre-ASVAB, I got calls from
all the U.S. armed forces... I mentioned my problems to each, and they
stopped calling.
                /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/08/91 08:58:15
Message Number 12009

I just thought of something none of us have asked you:
    ]
   Do you feel homosexuals choose to feel that way?
   
I'm not asking whether or not a homosexual chooses whether to sleep with
another of his/her same gender. I'm asking whether a homosexual chose to
have the sexual interests he/she has.
    
Another question for you in the same vein:
    
   If a homosexual never slept with someone of his/her gender, would 
you still consider that person a homosexual?
     
                        /Dragonfly/
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: ALL                 
Subject: New lingo      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 09:06:46
Message Number 12010

   In an effort to be Politically Correct, and create a Non-Gender
Specific English (herein referred to NGS English), Dragonfly is adding
a new word to the a/R lexicon... or, at least Dragonfly's dictionary.
     
   The word is "thon," short for "that one," meaning "he, she, or it."
    
   Why bother? I've said several times before that English needs a non-
gender specific pronoun. 'Thon' was one of the most successful, back
in the 19th century. I'm giving it a second shot.
    
   Instead of saying something like,
'...with another of his/her same gender...", I'll be saying:
    
'...with another of thon's gender...' 
    
   Instead of saying:
'God lives! He, She, or the Divine It still brings people closer to
Him, Her, or It!", I'd be saying:
    
"God lives! Thon still brings people closer to Thon!"
     
                 Thank you for your support.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/08/91 20:22:04
Message Number 12012

>...I don't think you could find a woman who could do better than me
>on a standardized math test.
 
I dunno...I bet I'd only have to look as far as The Armadillo
Connection. One of the furry echo users, who goes by "Mel. White,"
has a master's degree in mathematics, and on the furry tech echo
was just talking about using Forier transformations to reduce a large
data file to a waveform, so as to make it smaller by only storing the
harmonics of that waveform... She's married to a Ph.D. in chaos
theory, too.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Viet Nam histry
Date & Time: 02/08/91 20:26:22
Message Number 12013

>Thanks a lot. I'm still waiting for Turtle's rebuttal.
 
'Fraid you'll have a while to wait...with the exception of your claim
that a significant number of the protestors weren't protesting the war
per se, which is a thesis I don't buy, I found it surprisingly
accurate. You could have gone into more detail, about China's involve-
ment in the situation and Cambodia's lack thereof, but it was pretty
good for a thumbnail sketch of the situation.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/08/91 20:29:37
Message Number 12014

>So with this in mind, can we say that you and I agree?
 
Well...er, uh...that is, well, um, yes. (God, that hurt!)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 20:31:18
Message Number 12015

>Oh, please! I'm sure [Billy Joel] wouldn't lower his standards.
 
Probably not, but I do wish the people who wrote "Give Peace a Chance"
would RAISE theirs...
 
I still want to know where the subject line "various" came from.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: MYCROFT HOLMES      
Subject: Chaos???       
Date & Time: 02/08/91 20:32:56
Message Number 12016

Couldn't tell you. It's happened before though, and not just to CoC;
it seems GTE has a chronic inability to deal with multiple phone lines
to one customer. I've heard a couple of multi-line BBS sysops bitch
and moan that GTE is always disconnecting their phone lines because
they lose track of which payment goes to which line...
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PB& ???        
Date & Time: 02/08/91 23:51:38
Message Number 12017

KoO>...fav thing with peanut butter...
TS> Bananas.
 
That's a pretty popular goodie to go with PB. I also like peanut butter
with honey o apple butter.
 
I know someone who puts it (PB in their chilli.
 
Do you prefer smooth or crunchy? I like crunchy. 
 
have you ever had fried bananas? They're good. My mom used to call 'em 
fried caterpillars. I haven't had one i over a decade.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:05:21
Message Number 12018

That's a neat idea. It's also a good word for scrabble too :).
 
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: phone lines    
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:10:34
Message Number 12019

John Carr's having trouble with GTE.When you dial his BBS #, it rgs, 
but won't answer. He connected a phone to listen, and he says there's a 
hum of some sort. It's been over 2 weeks since he called GTE.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:47:51
Message Number 12021

>...you don't get the song.
 
  Maybe true, but criticism of lyrics isn't one of my stronger points. I
would be more apt to come up with the conclusion you presented if a) the
lyrics all were "problems" and b) they covered time period you just 
mentioned. Ignore me, though. I don't pay /too/ much attention to what 
the lyrics mean, I mean, geeesh, I like the B'52s!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Hallmark cards 
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:50:56
Message Number 12022

> Simple, ja?
 
  I suppose so.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:51:36
Message Number 12023

> Yes, I know, and I gonna tape too.
 
  The televised Treks are the worst way to see them. I've yet to see one
in its original form, though. I do, however have the butchered episodes 
on tape (yeah, I got most of those 79!) except for a couple (2, I think)
that I still need...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:54:20
Message Number 12024

> There's a lot of hetros [sic] who are who are extremely good at what
> they do too, but so what?
 
  You don't want to shoot /them/.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:57:23
Message Number 12025

> What kind of "persuasion" are we talking about here?
 
 Not much, just a little exposure to more heavy metal similar to what 
you already like. I think Turtle can field that dut (if he wants to)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/09/91 00:59:35
Message Number 12026

 
  Thanks for answering my question. I think Turtle and Max might be 
surprised and happy to hear that, for the most part.  As long as you 
stick to what you just said, and don't just go off and maim someone 
because they're a "faggot", then I guess it's a nice medium we could 
live with... I don't really feel any need to continue with you on the 
subject... it was pretty much tired out not long ago, correct?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/09/91 01:02:43
Message Number 12027

> I do not have fear, period.
 
  Come on, doesn't everyone fear SOMETHING to even a small extent? I 
know I've got too many fears. I've got acrophobia, and whatever you'd 
call being afraid to ask girls out...
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 12:23:38
Message Number 12031

What is the vulcan death grip?
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/09/91 12:46:19
Message Number 12032

The consistency depends on what speed you use on your blender.  The
first 'space food' was just that, food blended up in a blender and stuck
in a tube like that which toothpaste comes in. Now adays they have
shrimp cocktail...
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/09/91 16:34:58
Message Number 12033

>Is this where the Dali Lamma had been hiding??
 
Nope, he;s with Walt Disney, Jimmy Hoffa, and Elvis, hiding in those
underground passages at Disney World.  The hut I'm talking about is a
storage area for VW carbs, Twinkies, and the stuff used in Lava lamps.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/09/91 16:37:28
Message Number 12034

>  You could probably sell it to an underfunded science department at a
>local school.
 
I bet Booker would buy it for $1 or $2 million.  After all, they did
spend a large amount on sports medicine.  Geesh...I HATE how much 
money goes to athletics in our educational (did I say educational, why
yes I did) system.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN              
Subject: what?          
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:33:34
Message Number 12036

Kool! Nice to see you back...I'm not too likely to be returning
to New College any time soon, but who knows? Gotta find a better job,
though...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: CORWYN              
Subject: Raven.         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:34:15
Message Number 12037

Raven's been kidnapped by space aliens.
 
 
Actually, he moved (to Venice) and hasn't been seen in these parts
for several months.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: phone lines    
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:36:49
Message Number 12038

>He connected a phone to listen, and he says there's a hum of some
>sort.
 
Welcome him to the wonderful world of institutional Fascism, then..he's
being tapped. The modem won't pick up the phone most likely because the
tap has caused a drop in line voltage that's large enough that his modem
can't detect the ring signal. Using a different modem might help; he
can also bitch at GTE, but that probably won't accomplish anything.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:44:20
Message Number 12039

I figured that was Majel Barrett's voice when I heard some of the
inflections in it!
  
Lessee....'nuther question........Does ANYBODY like Wesley?? Hehe.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: RUFUS               
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:47:17
Message Number 12040

> white bread (I hate wheat, oat, bran, etc.)
  
WHITE BREAD!?!?!? Yuuuuukkkk. Do you realized that white bread is 
what's left after you take all the good stuff out of grains????
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:49:58
Message Number 12041

>Hen party,
  
Sorry, my brother has me indoctrinated in the ways of a FULL-FLEDGED
heterosexual.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:51:35
Message Number 12042

>How do they clean their knives neatly?
  
Eas`. On their shirttails. That way you can tuck it back in and nobody
knows the difference. And you have a bedtime snack to suck on, too.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:53:19
Message Number 12043

> Nurse Chapel. What was her first name?
  
Christine.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: NIGHT OWL           
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:54:34
Message Number 12044

I believe it was the Tonight show I saw it on.
  
My favorite thing to do with PB is to buy it in Reese's PB cups and 
freeze it dead solid, eat the chocolate from around it, and then put
the PB between cheek and gum like a chaw of tobacco and let it melt for
hours!!
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/09/91 17:58:00
Message Number 12045

>name all the roles that Majel Barrett has had.
  
Hmmmm, Well we've already discussed two, that of Nurse and as voice of
the computer on STTNG. As for the other two,I can't remember. I do 
remember that in the original movie, wasn't she a transporter tech?
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:12:00
Message Number 12046

S> What is the vulcan death grip?
 
Deadly.
seriously though, isn't a grip on the muscle between the shoulder and 
the neck?
 
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:15:45
Message Number 12047

White bread's not among any of my favorites either. There's nothing PB&J
toasted whole wheat.
 
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:18:16
Message Number 12048

Frozen Reese's sounds good, I'll have to try it sometime.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:33:15
Message Number 12049

TS> Do you by any chance, mean "moshing" 
  
Yes!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:34:06
Message Number 12050

TS> Ah, just to clarify, we are APPARTMENT (sic) CO-DWELLERS.  Sorry, 
Scot (sic, argggh, that's Scott), the word roommate is just a little 
*too* chummy. 
   
That wouldn't be because of the recent threads on homosexuality. 
You know, sometimes, I think you too paranoid.  Even for your own good. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:38:24
Message Number 12051

DF> What graduate schools did you get into? 
   
How old are you anyway?  
Did you attend college? 
BTW< I got accepted at Marist University in Poughkeepsie, N.Y. 
They have one of the top-ten math departments in the country. 
But I couldn't effort to attend.  Right now I'm studying to be an accoun
-tant. Damn, I hate no having word wrap. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:45:10
Message Number 12052

TS> So with this in mind, can we say that you and I agree? 
   
T> Well...er,uh...that is well, um, yes. (Gos that hurt!)
   
HOLY SHIT..... Stop the presses. Someone check to see if the earth's 
still in its proper orbit. 
Turtle and The Specialist actually agreed on something!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: PB& ???        
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:48:25
Message Number 12053

As far as peanut butter goes, I prefer crunchy. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:49:58
Message Number 12054

I believe there were 84 or 86 episodes made of Star Trek. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:53:04
Message Number 12055

TI> Does anybody like Wesley. 
   
NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: Trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 03:55:08
Message Number 12056

S> What is the vulcan death grip? 
  
KO> Deadly. 
KO> Seriously though, isn't a grip on the muscle between the shoulde
and the neck? 
   
Well, you're both wrong to a degree. 
First of all there's is no such thing as the Vulcan death grip. 
It's was used as a ploy in one episode, nothing more. 
In response to you, KO, The act you descibed is used to knock people out
but I doesn't kill them. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:29:59
Message Number 12058

> What is the vulcan death grip?
 
  It doesn't exist. It was referred to once, however, and was used to 
trick someone (can't remember WHERE though)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:31:32
Message Number 12059

>... hiding in those underground passages at Disney World.
 
  Hmmmm....
 
> ...the stuff used in lava lamps.
 
  How is that stored? And it must keep the guy busy too. And by the way,
what IS the state of that stuff? It looks thicker than liquid, and it 
can't be plasma, so is it colloid?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:34:26
Message Number 12060

> I HATE how much money goes to athletics in our educational... sytem.
 
  Especially when we have smarter bombs. At least they know where Kuwait
is. :)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:35:59
Message Number 12061

> Does ANYBODY like Wesley??
 
  I do.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:37:20
Message Number 12062

> I do remember that in the original movie, wasn't she a transporter 
> tech?
 
 No, but she WAS in the Star Trek pilot.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 10:39:51
Message Number 12063

> I believe there were 84 or 86 episodes made of Star Trek.
 
  :: giving puzzled look ::
  :: thinking: Am I wrong? ::
  :: searching for reference material ::
  :: flip, flip, flip ::
  :: satisfied grin ::
 
  Nope, 79. :)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 11:47:51
Message Number 12064

Ti> Soes ANYBODY like Wesley?
   
B> Ido.
   
Why?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 11:49:19
Message Number 12065

What's this Star Trek reference material? 
Is it the Star Trek Compendium? 
BTW, what /is/ Sulu's first name? I give up.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/10/91 12:23:46
Message Number 12066

I want to know what TS thinks of all the people away at college living
in the same room!  Oh my gosh...ewww....sick...that escuse of limited
housing just doesn't fly.  :)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/10/91 12:25:53
Message Number 12067

Lave lamp stuff is made up of 11 secret ingredients (hmmm, sounds like
KFC chicken, 11 herbs and spices.  Is it the same stuff?).  It was 
invented sometime in the '60's by some guy whos name I can't recall
right now.  I'm not sure what you'd classify the stuff as.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/10/91 13:02:36
Message Number 12068

Used in the Enterprize Incident to make Romulans believe that Spock kill
ed Kirk.  Am I right?  
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 16:50:00
Message Number 12069

>Does ANYBODY like Wesley?
 
Is that a trick question??
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: Full-fledged   
Date & Time: 02/10/91 16:50:38
Message Number 12070

>Sorry, my brother has indoctrinated me into the ways of a FULL-
>FLEDGED heterosexual.
 
Sounds like he's done more than that. I am a full-fledged heterosexual,
in the sense that I'd rather have my lungs removed with chainsaws than
(yuk!) sleep with another male, but that doesn't make me a FULL-
FLEDGED bigot.
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: V.D.G          
Date & Time: 02/10/91 23:02:10
Message Number 12073

Oh well, it was a wild guess as to what the Vulcan death grip was. Was 
it 'acted out' in the ploy? if so, how was it done, or was it just 
mentioned?
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: R.P.C.         
Date & Time: 02/10/91 23:04:14
Message Number 12074

The small Reese's peanut putter cups would be pretty good for freezing.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
(trivia [to which I don't know the answer])
M&M's were invented during WW (l or ll). What did the M's stand for?
 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/11/91 01:13:57
Message Number 12075

SA> Used in the Enterprise Incident to make the Romulans believe that
SA> killed Kirk.  Am I right? 
   
I think so.  But now quite sure.  Are you refering to the show where 
Kirk, Bones, Spock and Uhura, all beamed over, accidently, to a negative
dimensions.  (where Spock had the beard.  
I can't remember the episode, but of you verify the show, I can scan my
memory for exact details of the show.  I'm having trouble placing the 
scene. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject:                
Date & Time: 02/11/91 01:17:59
Message Number 12076

t> ...lungs removed with chainsaws.... 
  
God that sounds painfully. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: V.D.G          
Date & Time: 02/11/91 01:19:28
Message Number 12077

Ploy vs. 'acted out'? 
Boy, hmmmm...I think it was acted out.  The finger spread used with the 
mind-meld, and the position of the Vulcan neck pinch. (On neck, 
closer the shoulder than head.)
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 13:56:28
Message Number 12078

It was the show with the Romulan Babe who had it bad for Spock. Remember
the line (ouch, I forgot the line) something about his being into her 
mind. Spock had to convice her that Kirk was off his rocker or something
and he was in charge. I dunno, all of a sudden, I'm drawing blanks. I'll
cheat and scan the Compendium. I have at least 7 ST reference books and 
almost every novel written since the show ended. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Sulu's Name    
Date & Time: 02/11/91 14:03:53
Message Number 12079

See if I can spell Sulu
's first name. Hiruksu? Hirushu, Am I close? How about McCoy's daughter,
remember her name?
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/11/91 14:05:28
Message Number 12080

Aw, come on. I think he's kind of cute.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 16:40:37
Message Number 12081

Geez, you have enough reference books?  
More details, please.
BTW, no offense, but are you male or feamle. The reason for asking is
because Lt Saavil was a female, but most fans of ST are guys. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Sulu's Name    
Date & Time: 02/11/91 16:42:45
Message Number 12082

How about McCoy's daughter? 
   
Hmmm, I think you're using the Compendium on me.  I don't own one. 
Where can I get one.  Besides these questions are meant to wreck your
mind trying to remember the answer.  All my questions and answers come 
from my memory, not books. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/11/91 16:45:13
Message Number 12083

Wesley is a dweeb.  Besides, it seems that he is always coming up 
with the solutions.  Not a very realistic concept. The young and most
inexperienced knows the answer. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 17:57:20
Message Number 12084

I would have to agree with you, that a person's sexual preference makes
no difference as to how well they do at thier jobs (or whatever) in 
society.  
 
However, I would not hire one, and I would not work with one.
 
As for skin color in the army, there were several of difference races
and backgrounds that I liked and disliked.  And of religious preferences
too, but that makes no nevermind to me.
 
However, being black is a genetic thing.  Being homo is a matter of
choice.  I see no reason to prefer the same sex over the opposite sex.
It is contra-survival.  Anti-instinctual.  Sick.  Abnormal.  Sick.
 
 
I got news for you people, I am dropping this thread.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:14:47
Message Number 12085

DF>...whether the homos chose to have the sexual pref he has
 
Yes.
 
DF>If a homo never slept with someone of his/her gender, would you still
DF>consider that person a homo?
 
Yes.  I will amend my definition of homoperversity: or wanting to.
There is definitely something also strange about wanting to "sleep
with" another of your own gender.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New lingo      
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:18:21
Message Number 12086

DF>...thon...
 
Yes, (applaud, applause) I like it.  Is it possessive?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Viet Nam histry
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:20:08
Message Number 12087

TS>Turtles rebuttal.
 
T>You could have gone into more detail...China...Cambodia...
 
Oh?  Please fill me in.  There are a lot of gaps on my knowledge of
Viet Nam era, we never learned it in school.
(I had to pick an awful lot of it up from documentarys on PBS).
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:23:18
Message Number 12088

TS>So with this in mind, can we say that you and I agree?
 
T>Well, [hem, haw, hem, haw] yes.  (God, that hurt!)
 
(Malicious grin.)  The first! Heheheh.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:25:09
Message Number 12089

TS> [Billy Joel] ... standards!
T>Prob not, but do wish the people who wrote ... would raise thiers...
 
(Suprised double take)  Eh?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: PB& ???        
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:26:55
Message Number 12090

KO>w/ peanut butter...honey or apple butter.
 
Oh, man, apple butter.  (SMACK!)  :)
 
KO>Smooth or crunchy?
 
I like my peanut butter either way.
 
KO>...fried bananas? 
 
No, never had 'em.  Have you ever had Baked Cinnamin Apples?  Oh, man,
my mom used to make some killer BCA's.  Melt in your mouth...hoo!  I h
haven't one of those in almost 20 years.  (Whoa...that long?  Time 
flies...)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:31:33
Message Number 12091

TS>Lot of hetros ... blah, blah
B>You don't want to shoot them.
 
They aren't mentally defective.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:33:32
Message Number 12092

B> I think that Tutle and Max might be suprised and happy to hear that
 
Huh?  Why?  It is the same attitude I have displayed since I have known
them.   
 
Sheesh, it's not like I would run up and attack one if I saw him. 
 
BRAAARRRRRRRGH!  (Runs up waving weapon and shouting obscenities, firing
wildly with the Uzi and growling like a maniac)
 
Uh, no, I don't think so...not my style.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:37:00
Message Number 12093

TS> I do not have fear, period.
 
B>Come on, doesn't everyone fear SOMETHING
 
Of course, I meant that I have no fear of homos.  I'm arachnophobic.
Freaky, eh?
 
B>and whatever you'd call being afraid to ask girls out...
 
We all have some of that, Beatle.  Hell, I'm shy myself.  I'd call
it shy...I might also call it lack of self-confidence.   You know
the best way to get rid of that?  Do something to improve yourself.
Once you start to see results, others will too.  And you will act
accordingly.  I lifted weights at one time to build self-confidence.
And it worked, too.  I put on 15 pounds and I felt and looked better.
(The first I knew, the second I was told.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:45:03
Message Number 12094

SS>TS>..Scot (sic  arggh, that's Scott),   
 
sic should be used like :  [sic]  not (sic)...  and I still think that
it looks better as Scot Steele...but ok, Scott it is.
 
SS>You know, sometimes, I think you too paranoid.  Even for your own
SS>good.
 
Yep.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:47:41
Message Number 12095

SS>Turtle and The Specialist actually agreed on something!
 
Hey, we've agreed on things before.  It's just that we keep track on
how many things we agree on...and the higher the number, the worse
off we feel.  We are diametrically opposed to each other.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:51:00
Message Number 12096

R>I want to know what TS thinks of all the people away at college 
R>living in the same room!
 
Hmmm.  Depends, are they in the same bed?  And, if so, are they engaged
in homosexual activity?  If not, then I probably think the same of them
as I thought of they guys in my barracks, who often went three to a 
room. 
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Full-fledged   
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:53:48
Message Number 12097

Ah, lighten up.  Just because Tiberius said that he's a hetro and
made a joke about fags, doesn't mean that he is as bigoted as I am.
 
Say, Tiberius, how do you fit four fags on a barstool?
 
You turn it upside down!  Hehehehe.'
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/11/91 18:55:50
Message Number 12098

I think that was the one where Spock played like he defected to the
Romulans so that he could steal the Cloaking device.
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/11/91 23:10:22
Message Number 12099

TS> However, I wouldn't hire one, or work with one. 
  
Specialist, that would be discrimination, and that's illegal. 
Just food for thought, no reply is necessary. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/11/91 23:22:27
Message Number 12100

TS> ...Spock defected to the Romulans so that he could steal the
TS> Cloaking device. 
  
Please give more details on the show.  I /still/ can't place the show. 
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: PB& ???        
Date & Time: 02/11/91 23:59:49
Message Number 12101

Fried bananas? I've had fried platanos -- used to grow 'em. Never
could find them in the stores.
              /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:00:58
Message Number 12102

Thanks, Knight. Pull out your old Funk & Wagnall's, around 1908, and
you'll actually find the word.
          /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:04:28
Message Number 12103

Of course that's what schools spend money on! Sheesh, you think schools
are good for anything except sports? What do you think schools are for?
              /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:08:17
Message Number 12104

My age has nothing to do with it. You claimed that there's no woman
better than you in mathematics. 
   I'm glad to hear you got accepted at one of the top-ten math
departments in the country. I got accepted to another, and I'm currently
studying there. Same with several women I've known, who are currently
in graduate school.
     
   Stop by New College sometime, and I'll show you their theses.
                     /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: R.P.C.         
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:16:39
Message Number 12105

I think M&M stands for "More & More" -- the original name of the 
product.
               /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:19:52
Message Number 12106

TS>I will amend my definition of homoperversity: or wanting to.
TS>There is definitely something also strange about wanting to "sleep
TS>with" another of your own gender.
   
   Do you really feel a person has the ability to control thon's own
desires? How?
   When you have a craving for chocolate (or a good German beer, or 
whatever), you might ignore the craving, but I doubt you'd deny it
exists. You might choose not to yield to the craving, or you might
choose to only partially yield (carob instead of chocolate; Busch 
instead of Beck's), or you might decide to completely yield -- but
you don't deny the craving. 
  In the same way, a homosexual might agree thon's desires are wrong
(and, yes, I've met at least two people who feel that way!) and decide
never to succumb to them again. But thon still feels the desire!
   BTW, have you ever taken a course in psychology? You might find
some of the concepts... interesting. (Including that everyone has
'homopervertual' desires.)
                  /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: New lingo      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:34:57
Message Number 12107

   Thanks for the applause! I've been using "thon's" for the possessive,
because it sounds the best to me.
   It's a word English really needs.
              /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/12/91 00:39:34
Message Number 12108

   You know, it would be interesting to have a dinner (or lunch) 
between you, Raven, and I. There will be an extremely discrete rush
to the cornermost chair away from windows and facing as much of the
restaurant as possible....
           /Dragonfly
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject:                
Date & Time: 02/12/91 02:22:43
Message Number 12109

>>T ...lungs removed with chainsaws....
SS> God that sounds painfully.
 
Painfully breathtaking, that is.  *]:@ <AAAAARRRRRRRgurgle....>
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: old food       
Date & Time: 02/12/91 02:30:15
Message Number 12110

I've never had a cinnamon-baked-apple before, it sounds good!
My mom used to make some killer applesauce. It was of a red color from
all the cinnamon she put into it.
 
I used to live near an apple orchard that also had strawberrys in the 
summer. Ooooh, those were the good ole days.
 I haven't had apple cider or apple butter in a L-O-N-G time. (over 6 
years). have you ever had apple cider donuts? Mmmmmmm.... <smack> 
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/12/91 02:38:32
Message Number 12111

DF> ... Pull out you F & W, around 1908, and you'll actuallfind the
word.
I don't have a 1908 dictionary. How did you come across the word itself?
The english language has some pretty strange words. 
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: M&M'S          
Date & Time: 02/12/91 02:44:14
Message Number 12112

To the best of my knowledge, the M's stood sor the first initials of 2 
men who invented 'em. More & More? When was that name used? I'm curious.
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:14:44
Message Number 12115

TS> Do you by any chance, mean "moshing".
 
SS> Yes!
 
A dangerous habit. I went to see Anthrax at the Rocket Club last
weekend, and damn near got moshed to death by three attractive young
ladies with certain rather aggressive traits. So much for the myth
that men in general are aggressive and warlike and women in general are
kind and nurturing...
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:16:44
Message Number 12116

>Right now I'm studying to be an accountant.
 
Really? Damn, I'm sorry. Anything I can do to help?
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Women/Combat   
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:17:40
Message Number 12117

>Turtle and The Specialist actually agreed on something!
 
It happens, sometimes, but we both get kind of uneasy when it does...
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From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:19:10
Message Number 12118

>...what IS the state of that stuff? It looks thicker than a liquid, and
>it can't be plasma, so is it a colloid?
 
No. Actually, it's simply wax. The heat of the light bulb melts it,
causing it to expand and become less dense than the liquid (a heavy
oil, I think) that it's in, so it floats. When it cools, it contracts
slightly and sinks.
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Not Newbies    
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:21:25
Message Number 12119

I dunno; I suppose it depends on whether or not they're Post-It (tm)
students.
 
"If you got a fish, and you got two Post-It fish, and you stick the
 Post-It fish on the fish, you got THREE fish! And they don't stick
 to the ground."
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Shoe 
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:24:43
Message Number 12120

>However, being black is a genetic thing. Being homo is a matter
>of choice.
 
Nope, that's not true. There is a fair amount of evidence to suggest
that sexual preference is NOT a matter of choice, and that it DOES
have a genetic component. Think about it...do you /choose/ to be
attracted to women? If (Heaven forbid) you actually wanted to, do you
think you could /choose/ to get turned on by guys? Choice has very
little to do with it. You can CHOOSE to act on the attraction, but
you can't choose who you're attracted to.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:30:51
Message Number 12121

>(Surprised double take) Eh?
 
Is very simple. The remake (and, for that matter, the original) of
"Give Peace a Chance" shows all the quality craftsmanship and intricate
construction of a Ford Pinto, but without the same musical quality.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:33:53
Message Number 12122

B>...and whatever you'd call being afraid to ask girls out.
 
TS> We all have some of that, Beatle.
 
Speak for yourself. (Malicious grin)  :>
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Dametric opposi
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:35:19
Message Number 12123

>We are diametrically opposed.
 
I dunno...we both like fast cars and hate country music...
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From: TURTLE$             
To: SCOTT STEEL      $  
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/12/91 13:36:31
Message Number 12124

>PLease give more details on the show.
 
"The Enterprise Incident." The Enterprise deliberately violated the
Neutral Zone and tangled with a Romulan heavy cruiser, pioleted by
a female commander. The Enterprise surrendered to the Romulan ship,
and Kirk, disguised as a Romulan, transported over to the ship to
attempt to steal its cloaking device. He was caught; Spock (who the
Romulan commander had a crush on) transported over to that ship and
confronted Kirk, who attacked him and was "killed" by the "Vulcan
death grip." Now, with Kirk safely "dead," he had an opportunity to
steal the cloaking device and return to the Enterprise with it...
at least that's pretty much how I think it went. It was sort of a cool
episode.
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From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 42/12/91 13:41:11
Message Number 12125

>BTW, have you ever taken a course in psychology? You might find some
>of the concepts...interesting. (Including that everyone has 'homo-
>pevertual' desires.)
 
Manifest Bullshit (tm). You might find that certain aspects of
homosexuality are normal, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE has them,
just that a LOT of people have them. You cannot truthfully say
"Everyone has two legs," so how on Earth can you say "Everyone
has this or that complex psycho-emotional motivation" or some such
thing? In the relm of psychology, as soon as you say "Everyone has..."
you have just erred. You can't even say everyone has two brain
hemispheres, for God's sake! Absolute statements absolutely do not exist
in psychology.
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: McCoy's kid    
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:02:28
Message Number 12126

Joanna. Not from the Compendium. Read it in the Crew book...., there's a
handy little item. It gives all the crews history from childhood. If you
are into it, it's good reading. On Sulu's name, I forgot to look it up 
to see if I spelled it right, did I?
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:04:39
Message Number 12127

It was in the script. Second Generation can get a little corney 
sometimes. Wasn't sure I liked Data's interpretation of relationships in
the show about the marriage. Kind of weird. I like the shows that have 
more action in them. I'm not really as into the new ST as I am the old 
one. But it's a good show. Do you read any of the books? I mean the new
ones.
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From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:27:41
Message Number 12128

In the first season, Wesley did save the ship a few times too many, but
they stopped doing that as the show progressed.  I can actually tolerate
him now, but he still seems a bit too bright for his own good.  But at 
least the one female he falls in love for was a shape shifter.
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From: RUFUS               
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:34:07
Message Number 12129

>What do you think schools are for?
 
Education?  I guess not.  Not that I have any objections, but with the
current budget cuts, I think the first thing that needs to go is the 
sports program (or at least reduce it to one or two basic p.e. classes).
Call me silly, but I always thought school was for education.  I've hear
(d) that one local high school will have between 40-50 students in each
class.  I'm glad I'll be escaping the school system this year, but I 
really wonder what effect this will have for people who still have four
or five years left.
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:39:57
Message Number 12130

My friend went to see Anthrax.  His watch got moshed on, and now the
minute hand just swings around at random.
     So what were these "aggressive traits"?
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Not Newbies    
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:42:59
Message Number 12131

>"If you got a fish...they don't stick to the ground."
 
Well, they won't stick to the ground, but that's only because they are
busy sticking to the fish.  A single Post-It fish will stick to the
ground, but when you peel it up it leaves no sticky residue.  Did you 
know Post-It fish were originally developed to be a bookmark that 
wouldn't slip out of your book or lift the printing off?  They ditched
the project cause the fish were too thick to close the book on.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:46:31
Message Number 12132

B>...and whatever you'd call being afraid to ask girls out.
 
TS> We all have some of that, Beatle.
 
T> Speak for yourself. (Malicious grin)  :>
 
That's because you're a babe magnet.
[ducking VW carbs]
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From: RUFUS               
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 18:49:21
Message Number 12133

>Not that I have any objections
 
Should have read "Not that I despise sports..."
 
Wake up, smell the coffee, turn nose up in disgust, and grab a Dew.
 
Has anyone seen my Post-It brain?  It's missing!
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From: SAAVIK              
To: ALL                 
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:04:13
Message Number 12134

Star Trek Trivia.
What was the first episode Spock used the mind meld and what were the 
circumstances?
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:25:09
Message Number 12135

>How did you come across the word itself?
     
   One of my strange books of trivia, which included other candidates
for a genderless, singular pronoun. None were as successful as "thon."
            /Dragonfly/
     
   Word trivia question: what common, nine-letter English word has
only one vowel?
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: M&M'S          
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:27:32
Message Number 12136

More & More: I'm not sure when (or IF) that was used. It's been dragged
out of this rusting memory of mine.
               /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:28:27
Message Number 12137

T> So much for the myth that men in general are agressive and warlike
T> and women in general are kind and nurturing...
    
   Huh? I'd say it doesn't disprove the myth that men IN GENERAL are
agressive, or that women IN GENERAL are nurturing. It just disproves any
rumors that all women are kind and nurturing.
    
   Wolf? Kind and nurturing? Doubtful.  Same with Nikki. But wonderful
people, nonetheless.
                 /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Shoe 
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:31:44
Message Number 12138

Thank you, Turtle.  I didn't realize there might be a genetic component.
(I thought environment determined one's sexuality more than genetics.)
   
   Either way, it doesn't matter. Even if the homosexual agreed that to
act on those desires, thon will have to face the fact that thon will
have those desires. Whether they're genetic or environmental, it's
probably too late to change thon's desires. 
               /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Model 100      
Date & Time: 02/12/91 21:41:15
Message Number 12139

   Ha! If schools were really meant for education, do you think they'd
pay the teachers something more than minimum-sustinence (sp?) wages?
If schools were really for education, do you think they'd spend more
money on say... computer equipment than athletic equipment? Really, now.
    
   Seriously, sports has a place in the school system, of course. But
I notice that newspapers all over the state were reporting on the best
high-school athlete -- and which college he was going to. I've never
once seen a report about the best student in the state. 
   Our society places sports on a pedestal: you can become a SOMEBODY
if you're good at sports. What no one says: it's ten thousand times
more difficult to become a somebody through sports than it is to 
become somebody through education.
   What effect will it have on future students? Learning will become
harder, so many students won't put out the effort. The athletes will
still be praised, the academics thrown in a corner. And the rift will
widen.
             /Dragonfly/
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Post-its       
Date & Time: 02/13/91 00:03:54
Message Number 12141

Every now & then you see Post-it wildlife. Anything from racoons to 
armadillos can be found. 
Mind you, they don'tgo too well with paper...but they sure stick to the 
road. Available in all shapes & sizes, depending on availability.
 
This message has been brought to you by 3M (Mercury, Maserati, and
Mercedes).
 
*]:)
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/13/91 00:11:14
Message Number 12142

D> What common 9-letter english word has only 1 vowel?
 
Fright? (nope, 7 letters)
Hmmmmmmm...... I dunno, you've got me stumped for now.
Give me a clue (verb, noun, etc.)
I don't give up that easily.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/13/91 01:56:07
Message Number 12143

DF> Drop by New College sometime, and I'll show you their these. 
  
Yeah, right, go up to a total stranger and say, "Hey, do you know where 
I could find Dragonfly. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 01:59:54
Message Number 12144

Well, if I was being moshed to death by three attractive ladies, I think
I wouldn't mind going that way.  
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/13/91 02:01:11
Message Number 12145

SS> Right now I'm studying to be an accountant. 
T> Really?  Damn, I'm sorry.  Anything I can do to help? 
  
Yeah, that would be good.  Advice from a bruger-flipper on financial 
business and adminstration. 
For some reason I don't think that quite follows. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: McCoy's kid    
Date & Time: 02/13/91 02:07:05
Message Number 12146

SV> ...spelled it right, did I?  
 
I'm not sure. Sorry.  I left you E-mail on Grimoire.  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 02:08:24
Message Number 12147

I agree.  I like the old a lot more than the new.  I'm sorry, but no one
can match William Shatner's presence in the show.  He just had that 
look of certainity and confinence aobut himself. I started to read on
(one not on) but get bored with it. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 02:11:49
Message Number 12148

R> ... His watch got moshed on, and now the mintute hand just swings 
around at random.  
  
I guess, then, it wasn't a Timex?
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: PB&J           
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:02:47
Message Number 12149

>toasted whole wheat.
  
Or on Oatmeal bread just baked and still warm from the oven.
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:04:19
Message Number 12150

TI>> Does anybody like Wesley?
>>
>>NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!
  
Okay, next question.... Does anybody like his mother? (Gates McFadden)
  
YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!
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From: TIBERIUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:06:48
Message Number 12151

You can't actualyy LIKE Wesley, can you? I mean, tolerate is one thing, 
but....
  
And you would have liked Gene Roddenberry as a teenager, too?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:08:59
Message Number 12152

>No, but she WAS in hte Star Trek pilot.
  
That's right! As Number One, right?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: trivia$        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:10:33
Message Number 12153

>Is that a trick question??
  
Depends. Is Wesley a trick character? To someday rip off the human 
facade and reveal an evil Romulan lurking there?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Full-Fledged   
Date & Time: 02/13/91 09:12:17
Message Number 12154

OK, so I'm a full fledged bigot in that area too.
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From: SAAVIK  $      $$$$$
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: ED VS SPORTS   
Date & Time: 02/13/91 12:52:27
Message Number 12156

You have a good point there, Dragonfly. I have rarely seen students
with good grades praised over good athletes. And it's easier to get a 
scholarship in sports than in grades. And what happens to all the
college educated athletes after the ball drops? A lot of them barely 
made acceptable grades, only a few come out ahead.   
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS           $   
Subject: Insanity     $ 
Date & Time: 42/13/91 12:57:32
Message Number 12157

Are you talking to yourself now? Tsk Tsk, I think I saw your post it 
brain over in Chaos......., check it out. 
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From: SCOTT STEEL       $ 
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 15:26:03
Message Number 12158

TI> ...Does anybody like his mother? (Gates McFadden)
   
Big YES! I'd like to enter her "gates"
:) (perverted smile)
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: thon           
Date & Time: 02/13/91 16:47:44
Message Number 12159

Clue number one: It's a noun, and it's plural.
         /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/13/91 16:48:32
Message Number 12160

SS> Yeah, right, go up to a total stranger and say, "Hey, do you know
SS> where I could find Dragonfly.
   
   So what's your problem? Stanger questions have been asked at New
College... and that's not so strange.
   If you need find me, ask your way to the Viking dorms (what used to
be the Viking motel) and knock on door #229. 
               /Dragonfly/
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK     $        
Subject: ED VS SPORTS   
Date & Time: 02/13/91 16:52:31
Message Number 12161

> You have a good point there, Dragonfly.
    
  Thanks. But it's hardly original.
   
> I have rarely seen students with good grades praised over good 
> athletes.
  
   How true.
    
> ANd it is easier to get a scholarship in sports than in grades.
    
   Huh? That one I'm not so sure of. Yes -- there are BIGGER 
scholarships for sports than for academics (the average player can get
his entire tuition payed for...), but I'm not sure it's easier.
   I was unusual: several Christian colleges were so desperate to get
me, they told me to just show up on the first day of classes. My
education was already payed for, and if I showed up, I'd be automat-
ically enrolled. 
   New College didn't quite go that far: I still had to register. But
they payed for food and housing for my first three years (until I
broke the terms of two of my scholarships.)
   
> And what happens to all the college educated athletes after the ball
> drops?
   
   I dunno. Coach Gym, perhaps?
                 /Dragonfly/
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Wesley      $$$
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:25:52
Message Number 12162

>But at least the one female he falls in love for was a shape
>shifter.
 
Yeah, and he didn't handle it too well, either. Wesley as a narrow-
minded, humanocentric twit...whod've thunk it?
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From: TURTLE            $ 
To: RUFUS $$  $$  $$    
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:30:20
Message Number 12163

>So what were these "aggressive traits"?
 
Well, a marked tendency to scream loudly while slamming with great
vigor into innocent bystanders, mostly myself, for one. While I
can certainly appreciate a trio of scantily-clad and very attractive
young ladies, when these young ladies are attempting to squash one
into oblivion it becomes a somewhat different situation. Not that I
can't appreciate /that/, mind you, but it does put things in a
slightly different light...
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From: TURTLE$             
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Not Newbies   $
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:33:23
Message Number 12164

>Did you know Post-It fish were originally developed to be a bookmark
>that wouldn't slip out of the book or lift the printing off?
 
Nope, as a matter of fact, I didn't. I thought Post-It fish were
developed to combat the problem of fish sticking to the ground; that's
why they always come in packages of two, so if you get two Post-It
fish and a fish the Post-It fish will stick to the fish and the fish
won't stick to the ground. Of course, it's also a more humane way to
fish, since you can tie the Post-It fish to the line and when the
Post-It fish stick to the fish you got three fish that can be
reeled in very tidily.
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS       $       
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:36:11
Message Number 12165

>[ducking VW carbs]
 
Parts of VW carbs, actually. I finished taking that carb apart, and
it's pretty well messed up. I might be able to make it go again, but I
won't be winning any races with it, know what I mean? Good thing I use
Post-It carbs so they're easy to change.
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From: TURTLE              
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:38:29
Message Number 12166

>Wolf? Kind and nurturing? Doubtful. Same with Nikki. But wonderful
>people, nonetheless.
 
I'm sure the nice young ladies who tried to mosh me to death were
wonderful people, too, when they aren't assaulting total strangers.
Funny you should mention Nikki; last time I saw her she was leading
some guy around on a leash. While I won't venture any comments about
her kindness or nurtureness, I will say she's kind of odd...
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From: TURTLE$             
To: DRAGONFLY        $  
Subject: Sport 100      
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:41:23
Message Number 12167

>And the rift will widen.
 
And the rivers will run with blood, and toads shall rain from the
heavens, and the mountains shall spit fire, and Commodore shall
get an advertising department that knows its ass from a hole in the
ground...
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From: TURTLE     $        
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Various        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:43:06
Message Number 12168

>Well, if I was being moshed to death by three attractive ladies, I
>think I wouldn't mind going that way.
 
There are worse ways to go, sure, but I'd rather not go at all...
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From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/13/91 17:44:00
Message Number 12169

>Advice from a bruger-flipper on financial business and administration.
 
That's MR. Bruger-Flipper to you. And why not? This bruger-flipper is
pretty good at dispensing advice on everything from calculus to
electronics... :P
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From: TURTLE $            
To: SCOTT STEEL       $ 
Subject: Wesley$$$$ $   
Date & Time: 42/13/91 17:45:23
Message Number 12170

>I'm sorry, but no one can match William Shatner's presence in the show.
 
Thank God.
 
>He just had that look of certainty and confidence aobut himself.
 
Or, as writer Harlan Ellison referred to it, "the hideous thumbprint
of Bill's demand for total control over every scene." William Shatner
is a ham.
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From: RUFUS$              
To: DRAGONFLY $         
Subject: ED VS SPORTS$$ 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 18:14:42
Message Number 12173

About the best educational scholarship I've seen was offered by the
University of New Orleans.  Any National Merit Finalist would get
1) Room, board, books, tuition for four years.
2) $2000 a year bribe, err I mean spending money
3) A computer and printer in the dorm room.
4) A Summer in Europe to 'study.'
 
We checked out the school.  With a 98% acceptance rate, and something 
like 52% leaving after the first year, we figured it safe to say the
school wasn't very good.
 
   ...now if they had thrown in a sports car and some cheerleaders! :)
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From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE             $
Subject: Freakish$fears 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 18:13:24
Message Number 12174

You really shouldn't ask "So when are you getting a VW?".  I've been 
looking around and am seriously thinking of getting one.  How comfy
are they, say, if I drove to Atlanta?  Would my spine be in 13 parts
on the back floor, or is it only your VW that acts like a jumping bean
on steroids?  And can you install cruise control?
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From: RUFUS$       $      
To: TURTLE   $          
Subject: New Topic  $   
Date & Time: 02/13/91 18:18:32
Message Number 12176

Yes, but do you know electron spin?  And did you know that scientists
can now determine the direction and speed (or whatever the hell the
"you can't know one without affecting the other is) of an electron.
They simply slap a Post-It fish on an electron.  Sure it's hard, but you
just watch the moving fish.
 
Have you seen the new Nike commercial fro staying in school?  Really 
good.
 
"Mr. Robinson don't like trash in his shoes."
 
   ..."Help, I've forgotten Chemistry and I can't get up."
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From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Depression sink
Date & Time: 02/13/91 20:43:44
Message Number 12177

Brainless......, oh, cheer up. It won't be all that bad. Half the people
I know manage that way. Maybe you can post a missing brain report. What 
did it look like? I might have a spare lying around here somewhere.
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From: SAAVIK  $$   $      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Gym Coach$     
Date & Time: 02/13/91 20:47:32
Message Number 12178

All the gym teachers I've ever known were frustrated and nasty. Maybe 
that's why, eh? You must be incredibly intelligent to have the colleges
fawning over you......, I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. I wasn't 
that lucky. No money, no college. If I knew then what I knew now, I 
would have spent more time in the library and less time in detention. 
I was a rebel, and now I'm paying for it. 
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: E-Mail         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 20:53:33
Message Number 12179

I got yours, did you get mine? I agree with you about Shatner. And there
is no way Generation can come up with a character as unique as Spock was
in that era. All the characters on ST fit together, a Sci Fi harmony.
Each personality was an original. You really should read the books. If 
one bores you, try another....., some of them are really good. And I 
admit, some of them are really lame! Sigh, such is life.
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Gender     $$$ 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 21:01:26
Message Number 12180

I am woman, hear me roar!!!!!!! meow!
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From: SCOTT STEEL      $  
To: RUFUS$$$       $    
Subject: Univ of New Orl
Date & Time: 02/13/91 22:00:45
Message Number 12181

Why in the world did that University offer some much?  Did you ever find
out why they were so bad?  If they did all that,  I'd go.  You would 
just have to discipline yourself to learn.  
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK     $        
Subject: E-mail         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 22:10:00
Message Number 12183

Yes, I got your reply.  You can call me anytime.  I'm up by 8:00am, 
home from school by 3:30, and can usually be reached between 5 and 6, 
and after 11:00 p.m.
Call soon. 
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From: SCOTT$STEEL  $      
To: SAAVIK       $  $   
Subject: Gender         
Date & Time: 02/13/91 22:11:43
Message Number 12184

SA> I am woman, hear me roar!!!!!!! meow!
   
Whoa, a woman who likes Star Trek.  I like it. I like it.  I've 
never (maybe I shouldn't say, never) met a woman who loved Star Trek. 
Most women I've talked to think Star Trek is too macho, and not 
worth watching.  
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:16:03
Message Number 12185

TS>However, I wouldn't hire one, or work with one.
SS>Specialist, that would be discrimination, and that's illegal.
 
No shit, Sherlock.
 
SS>Just food for thought, no reply is necessary.
 
Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you?  Get the last word in.
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:18:45
Message Number 12186

Yes, that's my point exactly.  A person who has homosexual desires is
wierd...and not everyone has homopervertual desires.  I don't.  And
just because a text book tells you that is true is not any reason to
believe it, just the same as the bible tell you about god and other
Christian things is no reason to believe it.
 
You proved my point nicely...a person who has desires and can control
them is the same as a person who has desires and can't control them,
for my purposes of sickness.  A person who molests children is sick,
a person who desires it is just as sick.
 
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:22:30
Message Number 12187

DF>...dinner (or lunch) between you, Raven, and I.
 
I have met Raven, he seems the intelligent type.  Actually, he really
seems to know what he's talking about when it comes to computers.  Why
do you believe that there would be no one sitting around us?
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From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE   $    $     
Subject: Various      $ 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:30:34
Message Number 12188

TS>(Suprised double take) Eh?
 
T>The remake ... shows all the quality craftmanship...of a Ford Pinto..
T>but without the same musical quality.
 
Ahgh!  We are agreeing again!  STOP THAT!
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From: THE$SPECIELIST      
To: TURTLE $ $$         
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:32:38
Message Number 12189

B> whatever...
TS> We all ...
 
T>Speak for yourself. (Malicious grin) :>
 
Oh, yeah, I forgot...except Turtle, the stud womanizer of our little
BBS community.  Yeah, Turtle.  You studmuffin you.  *yawn*
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From: THE$SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE           $  
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/13/91 23:35:13
Message Number 12190

DF> [bullshit about how everyone has homo tendencies]
T>Manifest Bullshit (tm). 
 
Ah, well spoken.
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From: DRAGONFLY           
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Gym Coach      
Date & Time: 02/14/91 00:12:50
Message Number 12195

>The average 'Stang has a 5.0 liter engine...
 
The average 'Stang has a 2.4 liter four-banger. It's the Mustang GT's
you wanna go after. (Yes! Got him on a technicality! Yes! *smirk*)
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From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ST Marathon    
Date & Time: 42/14/91 47:48:52
Message Number 12196

Saavik, 
   I would like to personally invite you to join me to watch the Star 
Trek marathon, Friday night.  I asked my roommate and he doesn't have 
a problem with it either.  
   Look, I know you don't know me but I would really like to meet you. 
Shit, I like to meet anyone who is as engrossed by Star Trek as I am.
   The reason for the caution in this letter is because now I know you
are female.  Few females last on this BBS. Also, with the stigma of 
today's society, if you decide to come over, I would want you to feel
comfortable, not uneasy.  
   So I propose a plan.  Write to the boards or call me today, Thursday.
If you feel it's necessary, we can meet someplace neutral.
Be fore the marathon, or tonight or today between 3:30p.m. and 6:00p.m.
(^that's before not be fore) I hate typos.  
   So, what do you say?  
  
  
  
Have a day. 
Scott Steel
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From: TURTLE              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Freakish$fears 
Date & Time: 02/14/91 16:20:21
Message Number 12197

It is, I fear, a peculiar quirk of my bug that makes it act like an
overmuscled jumping bean on the road. Suspension, doncha know. Plus
the fact that the stuffing is missing from the seats doesn't help.
Ordinarily, I'd have no problem driving a Bug to Atlanta...
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From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT$STEEL  $      
Subject: Macho          
Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:05:47
Message Number 12198

Macho? Star Trek. Naw! It's sensitive! The characters all were very ope
open minded. There was (I admit) a definate male "saves the day" 
attitude but they wrote women in as ambassadors and scientists, not just
Yeoman, secretarys and (poor Uhera) communication operators. "Hailing
frequencies open, Captain.....darlin." 
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From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Boat 
Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:22:10
Message Number 12200

>Just because a text book says it is no reason to believe it, ...
 
Agreed, although I don't think you'll find a textbook anywhere what
says "everyone has homosexual (homopervertual, whatever) tendencies."
It can be argued that homosexual tendencies can b considered "normal"
in most people, but I'm not even sure I'd go that far. I will venture,
though, that they're more common than most people imagine.
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