From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Various      $ 
Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:26:08
Message Number 12202

>Ahgh!  We are agreeing again!  STOP THAT!
 
Uh...Get us out of the Gulf!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE$SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:28:06
Message Number 12203

>Ah, well spoken.
 
Argh! Now YOU stop that!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL                 
Subject: A/R and the War
Date & Time: 02/15/91 00:30:22
Message Number 12204

Since most of the users of this BBS are of the intelligent and well-
versed in the state of the world, variety, I'm sure most of you have
seen CNN's footage of Patriot missiles shooting down SCUD's...you know,
speck of light goes down, speck of light goes up to meet it, bright
flash, pieces raining down everywhere. Well, that's the way my message
base looked this afternoon. Had a small problem with a hard drive I
was using...(You all did notice how fast things were running over the
past couple of days, yes?) Hard drive has been disconnected; we're
back to floppies again; and a fair number of messages entered in the
last couple of days have been garbled or lost completely. If you said
anything important recently, best say it again.
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: *********      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 09:32:48
Message Number 12208

You've got me stumped! Is the letter 'Y' used as a vowel? Judging by the
fact that it's plural, I assume that it's a thing.
 
SEE YA!
-- a stumpeKnight Owl
PS, I have a couple of friends workin' on this too.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL       $ 
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/15/91 13:17:17
Message Number 12209

>:) (perverted smile)
  
Ahhh! Does that mean you would BOLDLY go where few men have gone before?
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 13:27:47
Message Number 12210

I see we have another Trekker aboard. Welcome to the discussion, and may
I say that, se/eing you are of the female persuasion, I just hope that 
you are a lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik. Remember who did 
that?
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various      $ 
Date & Time: 02/15/91 14:05:25
Message Number 12211

>Get us out of the Gulf!
   
U.S . out of North America!
        /Dragonfly/
   
   Uh... wait a sec.  Something sounds wrong.
===========

From: DRAGONFLY           
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: *********      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 14:08:09
Message Number 12212

Nope! There are no 'Y's in the word I'm thinking of.
     
Hint number two: the only vowel in the word is the letter 'e.'
           /Dragonfly
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: *********      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:43:29
Message Number 12213

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing.  Is "Y" used as a vowel?  I also 
have some friends working on this. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:49:26
Message Number 12214

Ti> Aaah! Does that mean you would BOLDLY go where few men have gone 
before? 
   
Big         /      /     ________     ________
           /      /      I            I
           \    /        I            I
             \/          I_____       I_____
              I          I                  I
              I          I                  I
              I          I                  I
              I          I_______      _____I
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:53:01
Message Number 12215

Ti>  I just hope that you are as lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik
Ti>  Remember who did that? 
  
Yep, Kirsty Alye(sp). What a FOX.  (she would also fall into that Gates
McFedden category)  :) 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: *********      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:55:36
Message Number 12216

Okay, let explain....no there is too much....let me sum-up. 
An eight-letter, common English word,  with one vowel, the letter E?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: BBS problem    
Date & Time: 02/15/91 16:57:59
Message Number 12217

Apparently the computer is not saving lines 6 & 7.  I can't get it the 
(to) save full messages.  Turtle, I think you might like to know. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: *********      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:34:24
Message Number 12219

Well, I've come up with a common seven-letter English word with
one vowel (an I), but no eight letter words...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: BBS problem    
Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:35:35
Message Number 12220

I bet you used backslashes in your message, huh? This software
can't store a message which contains a backslash, as FORTRAN
uses a backslash as an end-of-line character...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: GOT IT!!!      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 17:36:28
Message Number 12221

I just now thought of a nine-letter word--and a VERY common one, at
that--that contains only one vowel, an "E". HA! I guess that makes me
the first one, huh? It's plural, too. I win! I win! (Smug grin.)
HA ha ha ha ha!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:17:20
Message Number 12222

T>...have the somewhat paranoid habit of sitting in restaraunts with 
T>thier backs to the wall,
 
No kiddin!  So do I! 
 
Remember: Just because you ain't paranoid doesn't mean that there's 
no one out to get you.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Various      $ 
Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:18:47
Message Number 12223

TS>Ahgh! We are agreeing again!  STOP THAT!
 
T>Uh...get us out of the Gulf! 
 
No, no, we *need* to be there!  
 
 
 
(Whew...that's better....)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/15/91 19:20:06
Message Number 12224

TS>Ah, well spoken.
T>Argh!  Now YOU stop that! 
 
Oh, yeah, um...Bash the homos!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: M&M'S          
Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:35:54
Message Number 12225

KO> To the best of my knowledge, the M's stood sor the first initials ..
 
Actually one was a woman Ethyl M. (not specified anywhere I could find)
who split from Mars candy and started her own custom candy factory
in Henderson Nevada.  There are a couple of outlets there if you go to
Las Vegas and they are well worth a splurge into chocolate decadence.
Especially the ones with liquors and liquers in them.  Yumm!
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Break
Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:41:09
Message Number 12226

T> for God's sake! 
 
I'm turning you into Atheists Anonymous for using the "G" word!
(and capitalized no less!)  Boy are they gonna tar and feather YOU!
 
			                                  (heheheh)
 	                                 --==>* JonBoy *<==--
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: SChool/SPorts? 
Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:43:28
Message Number 12227

R> Call me silly, but I always thought school was for education.
 
Gee I thought you'd never ask silly!  (sorry - I was weak for but a 
moment and *pounce* the words just snuck [now there's a good word -
how in hell do ya spell it?] up on me)
Anyway to the point... (< three if you count them)
Most schools like to keep their sports programs high profile because
the older (and better off financially) ex-jocks like to remember their
old alma mater with financial gifts that get them front row and season
seats so they can relive their moments of glory in a vicarious manner.
 
                                An "I hate jocks" JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:51:01
Message Number 12228

SS> Advice from a bruger-flipper  and adminstration.
JB>               ^^^^^^                ^^^^^^^^^^
 
Heah now - hope them thar numbers come out in better order than them
letters there pardner!  Or is this yet another example of creative
accounting at its best?
                                  JonBoy
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TURTLE            $ 
Subject: Slammed        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 21:57:09
Message Number 12229

T> scream loudly while slamming with great vigor into innocent bystander
 
We used to cut across an alley to get to a Dixieland Jazz bar in San
Francisco.  To get there we had to cut through a punk bar and actually 
cross the dance floor and semi-participate/altercate in the fad of the
day known as "slam dancing".  Actually it was a hell of a lot of fun!
 
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Newbies        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:03:08
Message Number 12230

Sheesh!  It was tough enuf just me and you getting together for a chat!
I wish we could get some of these dead asses together so we could see 
what they look like.  
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Macho          
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:05:33
Message Number 12231

S> 
S> Macho? Star Trek. Naw! It's sensitive!
 
Wow... she's got insight too!  I maintained for years that ST was
years ahead of its time in being a leading proponent of women and
minority rights.  They used to tackle some pretty hairy social problems
(for that era) such as when they visited the planet where the inhabitant
were Roman type "gods" and had telekinesis powers to force the crew to
do whatever they wanted.  In one scene they had Spock, Uhura, Kirk and
Nurse playing like a love scene.  For that time having Uhura (a black
female) almost kissing Kirk was incredibly brave along the lines of
"Look Who's Coming to Dinner".  While others think that Shatner was 
a "ham" - at the time it was very popular for the shows to have a very
visible hero.  I personally think that Shatner was very charismatic and
the entire cast was an act of genius on Roddenberry's part.
===========

From: JONBOY              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:17:23
Message Number 12232

T>se/eing you are of the female persuasion, I just hope that
T> you are a lovely as the first portrayal of Saavik.
 
And /what/ - pray tell - would her looks have to do with anything that
/really/ matters?  Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy cake.
I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of thought and 
express herself thoughtfully than worrying about her looks first.
Pull in those hormones there Hoss!
Speaking of hormones :> where in the heck is Angel and Black Magic?
Anyway - let's not put worthless criteria such as "looks" as any 
sort of primary trait of the denizens of this board.
 
                                     JonBoy
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:37:20
Message Number 12233

JB> Or it this yet another example of creative accounting at its best?
   
bruger.....burger
adminstration....administration.. 
Shut up, I can spell.  What, I'm not allowed a few typos?  Besides at 
least my handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on the Waltons
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Slammed        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:41:54
Message Number 12234

JB...Dixieland Jazz bar in San Francisco. 
  
Sounds like a gay bar to me.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: JONBOY              
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 22:44:14
Message Number 12235

JB> (In reference to Saavik) Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy 
JB> cake.  I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of 
thought and express herself thoughtfully.... 
   
So,....what's your excuse? (carrying a decent train of thought)
  :)
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: you too?       
Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:23:04
Message Number 12238

No, it isn't used in the word.
The only vowel is 'e'.
 
- - - - - - - - -  Ya!
Knight Owl
I hope that you're good at Wheel of Fortune, this will prove it.
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: got it!        
Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:27:16
Message Number 12239

(holding sledge hammer above shell)
What is it? [just kidding, lemme guess on my own]
 
--------s ya!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: DRAGONFLY           
Subject: clue please    
Date & Time: 02/15/91 23:40:32
Message Number 12240

Is the letter 'E' used to make this thing plural?
 
cars vs floppies
   ^          ^^
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/16/91 00:59:18
Message Number 12241

Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd. I think Christie Ally (sp?) 
did a better job portraying the character and she was prettier than the 
second. Do you like the new ST movies? As to my appearence, I don't have
pointed ears except on Halloween when I go to work as the Vulcan Office
Manager. I HATE going to the drive thru bank on Halloween. People have
no sence of humor. I had to get a T-shirt that said "Don't ask me, I'm 
just the Vulcan bookkeeper." 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Boldy          
Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:04:48
Message Number 12242

Or if you were Picard "Baldy go where no man has gone before." 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: St             
Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:09:56
Message Number 12243

Amen, Amen. Shatner played Kirk with a hint of Shakespere(sp?) and a 
pound of macho. By the way, "Look who's coming to dinner" is one of my
favorites. Star Trek had many aspects that were "before it's time". 
That's one reason it was canceled. Just not enough people made noise 
until it was too late. Shatner was a ham, especially when compared to 
the others in the show. He often launched into poetic speeches (very
shaksperian(excuse the spelling, it's, like, 1:15 am, my eyes are 
drooping a little). I think a lot of people viewed Star Trek as a corney
spoof. But I came away from it with something else, a view of the future
and enough fantasy to make me look forward to the Kirk's and Spock's of 
yet to come. I was a mere child when the original series ran ('nuff 
said about age) and I believe that watching the show molded a lot of 
minds about equality between both the sexes and the races. "Give peace
a chance" and all that. And..... if all else fails, lock on target and 
fire torpedoes. But above all, do not break the Prime Directive!!!!
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Easy, dude     
Date & Time: 02/16/91 01:25:28
Message Number 12244

Now, boys, let's not fight here. I think you both have a beautiful train
of thought. Smile and stop insulting each other. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: clue please    
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:02:41
Message Number 12245

floppies has two vowels, an "i" and an "e" 
So it can't be floppies.  
I'm totally stumped, but I haven't given up yet. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:04:34
Message Number 12246

SA> Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd? 
  
The first one by far. 
SA> Do you like to ST movies? 
The first two were great, the third a little weak, the fourth had too 
many variables, (The Space-Time Continium)( I just found it hard to 
believe that the way they haphazardly swing-shooted around the sun was 
successful, to the exact moment in time.) The fifth was a very big 
disappointment.  
SA> I had a T-shirt that said "Don't ask me, I'm just the Vulcan 
bookkeeper." 
   
I like it. I like it. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: prime directive
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:11:14
Message Number 12247

You know that Kirk voilated the prime directive in almost every show. 
He changed to course of almost every civilaztion they encountered. 
(DAmn it, that's civilization, not civilaztion.) I was up until 1:00
last tonight, I  just wish they had played better episodes. 
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:47:26
Message Number 12248

> Big YES
  
Can't say as I blame you. Gates McFadden is one of those women who has
the look of a real beauty. Something well-defined and refined.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: JONBOY              
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:50:26
Message Number 12249

Your criticisms are not worth the paper it takes to reply to them.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/16/91 10:51:58
Message Number 12250

I agree with both you and Scott that Kirstie Alley was the better Saavik
of the two. I eould like to see you on Halloween. Where did you get your
Vulcan ears? Every time I hear about a ST convention or such, it is 
usually past tense. I have been looking for a standard uniform shirt for
years.
  
Yes, I enjoy the movies, 'specially IV. Somehow, hearing Spock swear was
the most hilarious thing in the galaxy. "Spock! Where are those engines?
We need them now!"  "One DAMN minute, Captain."  Riot!
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/16/91 12:36:44
Message Number 12251

Yes, I agree, Spock and those "colorful metaphors"  That was hilarous. 
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: Give it a God  
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:03:42
Message Number 12252

>I'm turning you into Atheists Anonymous for using the "G" word!
>(and capitalized no less!) Boy are they gonna tar and feather YOU!
 
No doubt; militant atheists are as bad as Fundamentalists. This guy came
into McD's a few days ago and purchased his food with a dollar bill that
someone with no life had painstakingly secularized...every reference to
God, every image that could have any possible religious connotation,
no matter how remote (like the eye over the pyramid) had been neatly
and painstakingly blackened out with a pen. Geeze...gimme a break!
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: JONBOY              
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:08:10
Message Number 12253

>Speaking of hormones :> where in the heck is Angel and Black Magic?
 
Angel is AWOL; she hasn't logged in or been heard from since last
November. Black Magic is absent from the BBS community due to a number
of more pressing concerns, like school and frequent trips across the
country for trivial reasons. She did call me by voice at 2:30 AM yester-
day to tell me she couldn't sleep, though; guess she wanted to share thi
particular inability...grr...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:10:53
Message Number 12254

>Shut up, I can spell...handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on
>the Waltons.
 
That's out of line.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: got it!        
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:13:02
Message Number 12255

>[just kidding, lemme guess on my own]
 
You didn't REALLY think I'd TELL you without gloating for at least a
few more days, did you?? :>
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: St             
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:15:04
Message Number 12256

>But above all, do not break the Prime Directive!
  
Funny you should mention that; the first episode I saw of the Trek
marathon last night had them doing just that, in a big way. (THE
episode is called, I believe, "The Apple;" it's the one with Vaal the
computer...) Didn't wait but a couple more hours before they were
doing it again ("A private Little War"). And, of course, for sheer
dramatic storytelling, nothing can top the hippie episode ("The Way to
Eden"...yeah, brother!). Sorry...I just can't see the overwhelming
appeal of the oiriginal series. Ahead of its time, yes. Worth watching,
yes. Imaginative, yes. Better than the new one, no. Well-acted, no.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: clue please    
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:19:15
Message Number 12257

Want some more hints? It's a word that's been used on this system
a lot; it can be applied to the Gulf War; it's a plural noun that has an
adjective form that is spelled completely differently (and is more
common)...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: ST movies      
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:20:51
Message Number 12258

>The fifth was a very big disappointment.
 
The fifth wasn't actually a /movie/ at all; it was simply physical
evidence that Leonard Nimoy is a better director than William
Shatner.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: ALL, ESP SAAVIK & SS
Subject: ST stuff       
Date & Time: 02/16/91 13:23:06
Message Number 12259

Hey, a friend of mine is selling off his collection of Star Trek
related stuff...has the complete set of Franklin Mint plates he wants
to unload as an intact set for $175 (it's worth $240), and several
videotapes (commercial, not taped off the air) of the first three movies
and the first season episodes he will sell for $10 each. Any takers?
 
On an unrelated note, there is a person in Tampa who's looking for a
good home for a ferret, litter-trained and very tame, he's willing to
give away, so if you're looking for a pet and want something that'll
get into everything, here's your chance...
===========

From: BARTMAN             
To: TURTLE              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/16/91 17:50:34
Message Number 12261

  How true on that note!!
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: clue please    
Date & Time: 02/16/91 23:22:38
Message Number 12264

'floppies vs cars' was a comparison on how a word is pluralized. Note 
the 'e' in floppies. That wasn't a guess, just a question.
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: got it!        
Date & Time: 02/16/91 23:24:15
Message Number 12265

No, I didn't. That would ruin the challenge for me.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/17/91 03:14:28
Message Number 12266

SS> Shut upt, I can spell...handle isn't identical to a fag-ish 
SS> Character on the Waltons. 
  
T> That's out of line. 
  
Yeah, I know, sorry Turtle. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: clue please    
Date & Time: 02/17/91 03:17:36
Message Number 12267

T> Want some more hints? It's a word that's been used on this system a 
T> lot; it can be applied to the Gulf War; it's a plural noun that has 
T> an adjective form that is sppelled completely differently ( and is 
T> more common)... 
  
Oh, that's a /big/ help.
   
        A totally stumped,
        Scott Steel 
  
(But, I still don't give up.)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SCOTT STEEL      $  
Subject: Univ of New Orl
Date & Time: 02/17/91 10:26:26
Message Number 12268

The school obviously had a fairly bad standing.  They figured if they
got many National Merit Finalists, they could print in thier catalog, 
"Last year, we had X freshmen enter, of that, Y were National Merit 
Finalists."  I'm not sure exactly why the school was so bad, but
considering that half the students left after their first year, there
must be something terribly wrong.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: JONBOY              
Subject: SChool/SPorts? 
Date & Time: 02/17/91 10:37:02
Message Number 12269

Regarding your "High progile-ex-jocks-money" idea, I agree that
that's true with colleges and universities, but not on a high school
level.  High schools shouldn't have to solicit funds from their past
students.
(of course, our school is currently asking for a $4 donation from 
each student in a science class.  Do I see letters going home for a 
donation for new weights or a football?  I doubt it.)
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:05:32
Message Number 12273

Ok, Ok, I concede. But for it's time, Star Trek was totally new. I mean 
look at the other shows people had to choose from. I still like the old
star Trek. Yeah, it was corney sometines, Yeah, some of the plots were 
stupid. Yeah, they broke their own rules. But I like it. And I like the 
new Star Trek too. But you know what they say about opinions.....
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: ST IV          
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:10:09
Message Number 12274

And a double dumb ass to you too. No offence, just a quote. I would love
to go to a convention. I hear they have them in Tampa from time to time.
If you hear about one, post it. I'll do the same. I got my vulcan ears 
at Kmart (you're saving place) one Halloween. Last Halloween I had to 
stop at a store and pick up some cigs, some guy looked at me and said 
something filthy ( I won't repeat it), I turned around and said, "What
are you, some kind of vulcan pervert?" .......... He was.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Prime Directive
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:14:29
Message Number 12275

There's a book out called Prime Directive about just that. I haven't 
read it yet myself. My sister taped the marathon so I can watch it with-
out using toothpicks on my eyelids. Too bad the characters looked so 
old in the last movie. I don't think they'll shoot another movie......
I don't know if they make strong enough Geritol for that. Hee heee. 
They'll have to start a Sons of Star trek. 
===========

From: MAX                 
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:23:07
Message Number 12276

It sounds to me like your test of "endurance" for women was a test of
strength.  Throwing 10,000 pounds a day of weight is considerably more
dependent on muscle power than it is on stamina; from what I've read,
the results would be quite different if endurance was tested in
something approaching a combat situation.  The few female paintball
teams out there (not many, you know, because it's a "man's game") are
consistently ranked in the upper 25% in national competitions -- not
bad when you consider they likely account for less than 5% of the
competitors.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:28:16
Message Number 12277

> Gays use it like it was some sort of talisman to ward off the normal
> people.
 
We've been over this before.  Discussing homosexuality with you is like
discussing evolutionary theory with a Jehovah's witness: they are
creationists, you are homophobic, and neither of you will let facts
stand in your way.  Incidentally, they violently disagree with being
labelled "creationist" even though they match the definition perfectly.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:30:03
Message Number 12278

I don't want to fight for reasons that I consider not worth fighting
for.  I would encourage anyone to think about what they're being asked
to kill and die for.  This may be "pacifism," but it's also common
sense.
   There WERE a lot of pacifists in 1776, including most of the leaders
of the Revolution.  They felt it WAS a cause worth dying for.  I do not
feel that the "liberation of Kuwait" is such a cause.  I don't believe
any of the founding fathers would feel it was, either, since we're
effectively fighting to RESTORE a monarchy much like the one they fought
a war to overthrow.
   Personally, I don't believe this makes me a hypocrite.  Now it's your
turn: you seem to advocate following your government blindly, right or
wrong.  I don't think that makes you patriotic.  I think it makes you a
sheep.  Am I misstating your beliefs, or should I get you some Purina
Lamb Chow?
===========

From: MAX                 
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:34:10
Message Number 12279

> "One, Two, Three... *CRUNCH*... Three."
 
Hm.  Some very sick jokes could be made about this, considering the
source of this quote, but I'll step around this.  I could also tell you
that you /have/ met a few of my friends who are bisexual, but since it
might confuse you, I won't.
===========

From: MAX                 
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/17/91 21:38:50
Message Number 12280

It was mentioned the first time 95 YNF played the song.  I believe the
proceeds for the song are also mentioned on the single's packaging.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:30:27
Message Number 12281

Here, here, I agree.  True...sometimes corny....some of the plots were 
stupid...etc. But I still like the old better than the new Star Trek. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Prime Directive
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:32:49
Message Number 12282

Yeah, I give up at 1:00 am and don't get the see the last four episodes.
BTW, what's your favorite episode(s)?  I believe that they are going to 
made a Star Trek VI. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:36:16
Message Number 12283

Ok, fine I tired of arguing with you too.  But answer me thing. 
  
What do you think would happen if Hussien was left unchecked? 
I don't think any country in the Middle EAst (with the exception of 
Israel) could beat Hussien.  Saudi certainly can't, otherwise they would
have stepped in before we did.  They, too, could benefit from Kuwait's 
oil fields, plus that would give Saudi direct excess to the Gulf. 
A pretty good reason to try to take over Kuwait, fi you ask me. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: JONBOY              
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:45:39
Message Number 12284

T>...hope that [Savvik] is as beaufiful as the original
JB>...and /what/ - pray tell - would her looks have to do with anything 
JB>/really/ matters?  Beauty is but icing on a hopefully yummy cake.
JB> I would rather that she can carry on a decent train of thought ...
JB> [blah, blah, blah, other see-through bullshit...]
 
Oh, come off it, JB...you are as curious as the rest of us what she look
like....  I might have believe your bull except for the analogy you 
used- "icing on a...yummy cake".  Oh, please.  Come off it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:49:31
Message Number 12285

SS>..my handle isn't identical to a fag-ish character on the Waltons
 
No, no...we all know how studly "Scott Steel" sounds.  Especially to 
the women...oooh!
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/17/91 22:51:43
Message Number 12286

S>Which Saavik did you like best, 1st or 2nd.  I think Christy Ally 
S>did a better job portraying the character and she was prettier
 
YES!  Agreed on both points.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Univ of New Orl
Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:00:34
Message Number 12287

School sports are a waste of money.  Period.  School is for learning,
and anything else is secondary.
 
 
 Period.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:03:08
Message Number 12288

M>We've been over this before. Discussing ...blah, blah...you are 
M>homophobic, and niether...blah, blah, blah, more bullshit, more
M>garbage
 
I am not a homophobe, and your poor weak mind can't figure out why
I simply hate gays.  Is it so foriegn for you to understand?  Gays
represent the lowest form of life on this earth, and I also include
in my comparison PACIFISTS.  (Which, incidentally, come in as a close 
second.)  I would appreciate it if in the future, you simply come off
your bullshit stance of calling me a term which is inaccurate, and I
will continue to use the word PACIFIST. (Which to you, undoubtedly is
a COMPLIMENT.)   And YES, I am *pleased* to call myself a BIGOT, and 
shit on you if you don't like it.  Deal with it.
 
(Man, you piss me off.)   I might also add that the point you brought 
up can be used on you, since you are wrong and trying to set you 
straight is difficult to the point where I begin to believe that you 
simply don't want to believe that SOMEONE out here simply HATES your 
FAG friends!!!  Simple as that.
  
 
Grr.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:10:31
Message Number 12289

You can take that Purina Lamb Chow and shove it up your pacifistic...
Grr. 
 
(Deep breath.)
 
10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1.  Hmmmm.
 
I don't believe that we would have found you within the fighting ranks
of 1776's soldiers, because I don't believe that you have the guts for
fighting, period.  All your talk about how this other country simply
isn't worth fighting for is simply semantic fog to cover up your yello
pacifistic back side.  You don't seem to want to uphold your 
responsibilities to this country (which, yes, could include fighting
or time in the service EVEN IF you digree with BUSH) yet you will
talk all day about your rights.  Well, someone hadda die to get those
rights secured for you.
 
Yes, that is what I truly believe.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: MAX                 
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:16:36
Message Number 12290

M>I could also tell you that you /have/ met a few of my friends who are
M>bisexual, but since it might confuse you, I won't.
 
Oh, don't worry about confusing me.  You "could tell me" but you won't;
you'd be lying.  Very clever semantic bullshit.  The only reason you 
say that, as a matter of fact, is to cloud the issue.  I can tell a
fag when I see one, about 90% of the time.  The other 10% by the way,
is picked up when I have the opportunity to actually meet them.  And
incidentally, I have a tendency to be pessimistic when I try to figure
out if someone I meet is a fag, so I usually can detect all of them. The
ones I do decide are fags who are not, ACT like fags, and therefore are
also not worth being around.  Simple, yes?
 
Oh, and in case you weren't lying, you can be sure that I have already
picked them out as fags.  So, anything you can tell me would only 
confirm what I may already believe.  Next?
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: ALL                 
Subject: MY CAR!!!      
Date & Time: 02/17/91 23:24:37
Message Number 12291

Let it be written...on this date, 17 February, 1991, that the 72 Dodge
Charger, with 440 and 4 barrel carb, successful SMOKED a 1987 or later
Mustang GT 5.0 in a most RIGHTEOUS fashion.
 
More...more...I want MORE HORSEPOWER!  Hehehehe.  TIme for a new 
rear end with a better differential.  Then, then! A SIX PACK!!!  With...
with...an AIR GRABBER SCOOP!  YEAH!  YEAH!
 
But seriously, tonight the fruition of over a years labor on my Charger
produced a conclusive defeat of a black convertible 87 or later Mustang!
The light changed, and that Mustang was behind me, and then, in the 
rearview!  And I know that he was racing, because his tires barked off
the line.  But it was over within seconds.  Glorius!
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:32:06
Message Number 12292

Me too. Somehow the characters were real. The new ST is heavy in adven-
ture, but they just don't seem real to me. I'd die to go to a convention
if you hear about one in Florida, post it, please. Maybe we can get a 
group of Trekkie's together and invade........
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:34:57
Message Number 12293

The Enterprise incident, Amok time, The Naked time, Charlie X, and Miri.
It's hard to choose, I like so many of them. A peice of the action was 
also one of my favs. What are yours..... and why?
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/18/91 11:37:24
Message Number 12294

It's a shame she didn't play the in the next movie. That Saavik had a 
larger role. The line "David is dead." Still echos in my mind. I think 
Kirsty could have pulled it off with just the right effect (The confused
Romulan Vulcan- torn between her two worlds of conflicting emotions) 
There is a book devoted to the history of Saavik. It's called The 
Pandora Principle. On Pocket books, # 49 of the ST series. It was writ-
ten by Carolyn Clowes. It's about Hellgaurd (Saavik's home planet). 
Check it out.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ST IV          
Date & Time: 02/18/91 13:52:05
Message Number 12296

>"What are you, some kind of vulcan pervert?".........He was.
  
Too bad we humans can't seem to learn the Vulcan nerve pinch. There are
a lot of people like thqt I'd just love to reach out and touch sometimes
To see a big 250 lb. guy crumble under two fingers would be the ultimate
sensation.
(And by the way, I think that female "Vulcans" look sexy, ears 
especially.) As for a return quote, all I can say is "Fascinating!" with
a raise of the eyebrows.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:06:13
Message Number 12298

As far as a convention goes, yes. There's one coming to Florida. 
I don't have details, but when I have them you'll be first to know. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:07:30
Message Number 12299

I have one all-time favorite.  Don't know the title, but it's the 
episode where Kirk has a battle of wits with a Romulan bird-of-prey. 
They battle back and forth, etc.  The Enterprise plays dead for hours 
Spock accidently hits a switch on the scanner boards, and the Romulan's
detect it.  Kirk deduces that the Romulan's /have/ detect them and has 
Sulu fire phasers in random pattern, widest dispersion.  They critically
damage the Romulan vessel and they self-destruct.  
Do you know which one I'm talking about?   What is the "whys" on your 
list of favorite shows?
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Yes, it's mine.
Date & Time: 02/18/91 16:14:02
Message Number 12300

I got the 12300th message.  I didn't have anything to say but I wanted
the number.  I'm waiting for #13000.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: Nerve Pinch    
Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:45:04
Message Number 12301

Actually, women have perfected a nerve pinch to use on the male species,
however, it is most unpleasant as it does not cause unconsciensness (sp?
The result is a rather satisfying high pitched squeak. This works 
exceptionally well on "vulcan and human perverts alike". It should, 
needless to say, never be used on someone you like. Need I say more?
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: convention     
Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:48:05
Message Number 12302

Keep me posted. We can make it a Star Trek "Trek" party. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/18/91 17:51:37
Message Number 12303

The name of that show was Balance of Terror. It was a good one, Kirk is 
the ultimate poker player (as later seen in the Wrath of Khan= the 
ultimate poker game.). As to why I liked Amok Time; because it was the
first show that delved(sp?) into the rituals and bowels of Vulcan. I 
found it "fascinating". Miri; I dunno, Janice Rand had a big part in 
that one and I liked the plot. Besides Uhera and Chapel, Rand was the 
only other lead female and for what, one season? Her character was not
unflappable and strong like a She-man. And she was the closest thing 
Kirk had to a steady girl besides the Enterprise. Of course, they never
really developed the relationship between the two, which was probobly 
better for the show. I liked the Naked Time because I believe we all 
have an alter ego trying to get out. Like Sulu's swashbuckler and Kirk's
"man trapped in a love affair with a cold and jealous machine." I think 
we all live another life deep inside of us. Who can forget the off key 
singing echoing through the ship "I'll take you home again, Kathleen...
.... One more time."  Know which one I didn't like? I Mudd. It was 
stupid. I didn't like seeing Spock dancing around and quoting poetry. It
was NOT real. Which one(s) don't you like?
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: It's yours     
Date & Time: 02/18/91 18:03:05
Message Number 12304

Congradulations!!!!! Personally I want 12345.
===========

From: P.WHIPPED           
To: ALL                 
Subject: insanity       
Date & Time: 02/18/91 23:33:23
Message Number 12305

It has been a while since i last logged on, but i need to ask everyone a
small favor.  Write a postcard to:
     Daniel Dubay
     U.S.F. 1532
     Tampa, Fl. 33620
On the postcard simply leave the most obscure message possible ie...
"Bring me a lollypop or the chicken flies at dawn."
The victim is the roomate of a friend of mine whom we are currently 
trying to send to the rubber wall papered room.  I will reimburse all
who participate with sacred Dew at the next furry party at Turtle's 
whenever that is.
                      Many thanks to all who participate,
							                      To all who don't....may your nights be 
                      filled with Kafka dreams,
                      
                                   P.Whipped
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Nerve Pinch    
Date & Time: 02/19/91 13:00:19
Message Number 12306

I see!! I wasn't aware that the female had perfected the pinch, buy I 
will be wary. I knew that the female had seemed to perfect the Vulcan
"mind meld", and without the need for actually touching the face. It
is uncanny how some women can read minds better than Spock.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: MAX                 
Subject: New Topic      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:21:21
Message Number 12308

>The few female paintball teams out there...are consistently ranked in
>the upper 25% in national competitions...
 
Just where do you get these weird facts from?
(like I'll be getting an answer soon, since you are living in Hernando)
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Star Trek Con  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:29:10
Message Number 12309

I know there is a con coming up soon that will be held in Orlando.  I
forgot all the details, but there is a rather lengthy message about it
on Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm.
 
[Hey, it was only half of a shameless plug!]
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: Mind meld      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:36:27
Message Number 12310

And don't you forget it, either. We can see a lie a mile away. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek Con  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:38:16
Message Number 12311

I'm sure the "plug
will be excused..... I'll go the the Farm and look it up. Thanks for the
info, darlin'. 
                              S A A V I K
                           The Vulcan chick
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: ALL APPLE PEOPLE    
Subject: Apple S/E      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 15:41:00
Message Number 12312

Hey, can anyone help me out with an honest opinion? I have an Apple S/E,
20 meg HD with Great Plains Inventory control, Macwrite, Filemaker plus,
and a Imagewriter Printer. (Has other software like Hypercard, ect.) 
What do you think resale on that puppy would be? I'd like to unload it. 
It works great, oh by the way, Monochrome screen (blah!!) Lemme know. 
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Saavik         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 18:43:25
Message Number 12313

I think that Kristy would have been better for the flick all around...
'cept the part where they did Pon Farr.  Something in my male, 
chauvinist mind just simply can't picture that finger rubbing would be
all that character would be capable of. 
 
 
I mean, please!
 
 
BTW- thanks for the info on Savvik...if I ever manage to find time to ge
get to a libary, I'll look it up.  (Not that I never go, I have a card
and all, but I just don't have the time anymore....)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Nerve Pinch    
Date & Time: 02/19/91 18:47:56
Message Number 12314

"Never kick a man in the balls, even figuratively.  No, especially
figuratively.  Unless you plan to kill him directly afterwards." 
                                            - Friday
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Kicking        
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:03:38
Message Number 12315

I thought that was.... never kick a man when he's down. Jees, I thought
that's why you'd get him down in the first place. Don't take that wrong,
Boys!!!! I, for one, have never kicked ANYONE ANYWHERE if they didn't 
deserve it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:11:49
Message Number 12316

> Why [do you like Wesley]?
 
  Because I like the idea of a person a little older than myself (not by
much) having experiences. He has a genuine wonder and excitement that 
shows. Plus, its something that would never have happened in the old 
Trek, and its quite interesting.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:13:53
Message Number 12317

> What's this Star Trek refernce material?
> Is it the Star Trek Compendium?
> BTW, what /is/ Sulu's first name?
 
  Starlog's Science-Fiction Video Magazine.
  No. I don't have that book.
  Hikaru
 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Vulcan Death Gr
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:17:18
Message Number 12318

> ...alll beamed over, accidentally, to [another dimension?]...
 
  No, that episode is "Mirror, Mirror" (which is one of the best Trek
episodes, BTW)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:19:22
Message Number 12319

>... most fans of ST are guys.
 
  That's a little narrow minded,isn't it? One of the most rabid Trek 
fans I know is female. 
 
  BTW, to all the trek fans, who's going to Vulkon Orlando, with Marina 
Sirtis and Wil Wheaton?
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Sulu's Name    
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:21:09
Message Number 12320

> Where can I get one.
 
  at Waldenbooks. 
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:21:42
Message Number 12321

> Not a very realistic concept. The young and most inexperienced knows
> the answer.
 
  Maybe inexperienced, but the knowledge capacity is pretty big. Anyway,
it isn't such an alien concept. It has been used in tons of summer films
of the 80's...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:25:18
Message Number 12322

> It is the same attitude...
 
  Maybe so, but it certainly shows some sort of tollerance. And from 
your messages, /I/ would get the impression that you would run up and 
shoot one on the spot.
 
> not my style..
 
 I stand corrected.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 19:27:11
Message Number 12323

> I put on 15 pounds...
 
  Hmmm... I gotta do the opposite. I'm too overweight. And the scary 
thing is that I'm more overweight than I thought. I suppose I should try
lifting some weights. I have zippo upper arm strength (can't do one push
up or one pull up)... At least I'm running in personal fitness. It would
be nice if they progressed you slowly so I can gain tollerance rather 
than making you run about a mile and a half every other day without 
stopping. I could get used to it, but the sharp pain in the side is very
annoying. At least the leg muscles don't hurt anymore.

===========

From: RUFUS               
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Star Trek Con  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 20:51:46
Message Number 12324

>Thanks for the info...
 
No Vulcan problem.
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Freakish fears 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 20:55:03
Message Number 12325

We learned in personal torture that if you had a pain, you should do
more of what caused that pain to make it go away.  My comment was: "So
if we have a headache, we should hit our head with a hammer?"
I hope you get to see a film that goes something like "You can only
digest the same type of protiens found in your body," with this stupid
kid standing in the middle of the street going "So we have to eat 
people to get protien that we can use?"  The best part is when some guy
passing by goes "That's disgusting."  The film procedes with animated
hamburgers.  Not as good as the series of films done by Ford that we saw
in drivers ed.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:38:56
Message Number 12328

>But you know what they say about opinions...
 
No, what DO they say about opinions? I've heard what they say about
Post-It fish, but that's about it.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: ST IV          
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:40:06
Message Number 12329

>I would love to go to a convention. I hear they have them in Tampa
>from time to time.
 
There's an annual Star Trek con in Tampa called Vulkon, but it's very
expensive and not terribly good...it tends to be small and not too
interesting, even for ST fans. There's also a general science-fiction/
fantasy con called Necronomicon in the last week in October every year
that's much better; it's not strictly Star Trek, but you can find
Star Trek-related stuff there and it's both larger and cheaper.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Univ of New Orl
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:45:30
Message Number 12330

>School sports are a waste of money. Period. School is for learning,
>and anything else is secondary.
>Period.
 
I agree. Again. This is a disturbing trend.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:46:55
Message Number 12331

>Gays reperesent the lowest form of life on this earth, ...
 
Rapists and child molestors represent the lowest form of life on this
earth. You can't EVEN tell me you would place a gay below some guy
who rapes a nine-year-old girl, even if it is technically a hetero-
sexual act, can you?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:48:54
Message Number 12332

>Yes, that is what I truly believe.
 
So you're saying, then, that you /do/ believe the Founding Fathers
would approve of fighting to restore a monarchy, at least more than they
would approve of someone who follows his country blindly wherever it
may lead, whatever the circumstances? I remind you that this country was
made a country by people who did NOT follow their government blindly,
and in fact REBELLED AGAINST their government.
 
The founding fathers didn't think their government was always right!
Wow! (Revelation, like dawn breaking.)
 
The Founding Fathers had more than a little contempt for people who DO
follow their government like sheep! (Another revelation.)
 
George Bush is a /man/, not a god, not some infallible superhero. He
is capable of error. If he asks me to fight to restore a brutal,
bloodthirsty monarch to the head of a repressive, totalitarian
government in a country that is not a formal ally, I for one will start
taking a long hard look to see if he is not perhaps in error.
 
As for your "yellow-bellied, too cowardly to fight for anything" stance
you directed at Max, I state with absolute certainty that you are
wrong. Period. I know you will never admit it, but you are wrong.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Faggot friends 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:55:01
Message Number 12333

>Oh, and in case you weren't lying, you can be sure that I have already
>picked them out as fags.
 
Care to put a little money on it? I am willing to bet cash you cannot
make any such determination with better than 50-50 accuracy in either
direction. The fact that you use phrases like "act like fags," as though
all "fags" sign a contract somewhere that spells out how they will
behave, tells me it's sure money.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: MY CAR!!!      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:57:38
Message Number 12334

>...produced a conclusive defeat of a black convertible 87 or
>later Mustang!
 
Congratulations! When're you getting the six-pack?
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 22:59:39
Message Number 12335

>Do you know which one I'm talking about?
 
"Balance of Terror." Onre of my favorite of the old episodes
(along with "The City on the Edge of Forever," an episode
whose name eludes me about the Enterprise encountering a robot
planet-buster, and the episode with Khan in it.)
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Apple S/E      
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:05:28
Message Number 12336

Mac SE with 20-megger probably would be worth somewhere around
$800 or so resale, although with competition from the new Macintosh
Classic (essentially the same computer in a prettier case and a lower
pricetag) you'd be fortunate, I think, to get that much.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:07:27
Message Number 12337

>Plus, it [Wesley] is something that would never have happened in the
>old Trek, ...
 
...and I for one think that's a point in the old Trek's favor.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:08:46
Message Number 12338

SS>... most fans of ST are guys.
 
B> That's a little narrow-minded,isn't it?
 
No. It is provable, observable truth. More than half of all the people
who consider themselves "fans" of Star Trek are male. A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT more than half are male. This is a fact that is not based on
narrow-mindedness at all; it's based on surveys, attendance at ST
cons, enrollment in ST fan clubs, and similar data. Just like
most headbangers are male, most soap opera fans are female...these
things may fuel stereotypes, but they are not stereotypes; they are
observable facts.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: RUFUS               
Subject: Star Trek Con  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:19:03
Message Number 12339

Very cute! 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Post it fish?  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:20:11
Message Number 12340

Ok, ok, so what's a post it fish? You know us Vulcans. Insatiable (sp?) 
curiosity. And as for what they say about opinions....., you aren't 
gonna fence me into saying it, ARE YOU????
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Necronomicon   
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:22:30
Message Number 12341

Sounds interesting. I hope you post details as they become avail..., 
I'm a Trekkie but I like Sci Fi in general. I've never heard of Vulkon. 
Are you going to the conv. in Orlando?
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Planet buster  
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:38:43
Message Number 12343

Are you talking about the Doomsday machine? That was the show with Will
Decker's father in it (Will Decker from ST: The movie). Space Seed was 
the original with Khan in it.... GOOD show! I really liked Khan's quotes
in ST: Wrath of Khan...." From Hell's heart, I stab thee." 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Mac SE         
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:41:32
Message Number 12344

God, is that all!!! I feel violated. You wouldn't believe what that 
#$%#&@ cost new. Yeah, you probobly would. It's been on lease for 3 yrs 
and barely used. We got the Compaq 386 and 286's a few months after we 
leased it. I'm trying to decide whether to buy out the lease and sell
it or turn it back into the leasing co. Lease is up end of month. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/19/91 23:48:10
Message Number 12345

Amen, Turtle. A person's sexual preference should not determine where
they fall in the food chain! Who you love is not nearly as important as 
how you love. Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation." 
I think what it's saying is "Love is Love". There is nothing sicker 
than someone who molests a child. Although they may rationalize it any
way they want. And I've heard TOO many of them speak, they truly think
that they are doing it out of love. Children are too eager to please. 
Gawd! Enough of this serious stuff, already!!!
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: ALL                 
Subject: protocols      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 05:40:18
Message Number 12350

I got a new terminal program, and it includes a few transfer protocols
that are quite strange to me, though I've heard of them before.
 
I'd like to know about:
 
xmodem-1k, ymodem batch.
 
What's the difference between the regular xmodem and the 1k version, and
is ymodem batch a multi-file transfer thingie?
 
I also have xmodem and Punter (also milti-file punter). I know about t
these.
 
Which is the best to use for speed vs error rate?
 
Thanks in advance,
Knight Owl
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: McCoy's kid    
Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:06:08
Message Number 12351

> the Crew book...
 
  Has anyone sued that company yet? These books that look like they were
layed out on a Macintosh (or less) are getting more plentiful by the day
... at least the Trek Crew Book had bad cover art and a lot of mistakes.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Wesley         
Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:07:47
Message Number 12352

> Do you [Scott Steel] read any of the [new] books?
 
  I don't know about him, but I read TNG novels. My favorite Trek book 
of all is "Survivors" and the second favorite is "Metamorphosis". Soon,
the second giant novel will be coming, a Borg story, and a book is 
supposed to come where Lwaxana Troi falls in love with Q!!!
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:16:07
Message Number 12353

> And you would have liked Gene Roddenberry as a teenager, too?
 
  Isn't that who Wesley is based on? I dunno, I wasn't alive when Gene
was a kid, but from the interviews I've read, I like the guy.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/20/91 07:17:11
Message Number 12354

> That's righ! As Number One, right?
 
  Yep!
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Mind meld      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 08:50:51
Message Number 12356

Heck, one of my girlfriends used to be able to tell me what I was
thinking down to the last detail. I used to get slapped for what I
thought was no apparent reason until I asked.
===========

From: TIBERIUS            
To: BEATLE              
Subject: trivia         
Date & Time: 02/20/91 08:52:48
Message Number 12357

I like Gene Roddenberry too, but if Wesley is his alter ego as a 
teenager, I can think of several people I'd rather be with as teens.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Trek Crew Book 
Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:54:29
Message Number 12358

It is a lousy peice of publishing for the price. The same Co. makes a 
Star Trek Encylopedia which I don't have so I can't say that it's as 
bad but if your a Trekkie, the content is all that counts. I gotta agree
about the cover art and it IS full of mistakes.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: BEATLE              
Subject: ST:NG Books    
Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:56:31
Message Number 12359

I haven't read any New Generation books. But I have almost all the old 
Star Trek books. Everything from reference books to novels. Let me know
the title of the book about Troi and Q. Sounds interesting. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TIBERIUS            
Subject: "Slapped"      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 13:58:50
Message Number 12360

You shouldn't have asked. You guys are so transparent......, but if you 
work on it, women are just as easily read. It's all in the body language
and that goes for all people in general. 
===========

From: RUFUS               
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:08:33
Message Number 12362

Do you remember that Star Trek survey they had at Oasis III that asked
questions like how much you made each year, and where you stood on
issues like abortion, toxic waste, and velcro shoes?  I wonder what 
ever became of those.  I've heard that Oasis IV has been cancelled 
because the organizer is having personal problems.  If you happen to
hear anything, send the info my way.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Post it fish?  
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:40:18
Message Number 12368

>Ok, ok, so what's a post it fish?
 
A Post-It (tm) fish is a fish that's been treated with 3M's patented
adhesive (the one they make Post-It notes with) so it sticks to things
and peels off without leaving a sticky residue.
 
>...you aren't gonna fence me into saying it, ARE YOU????
 
Yes.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Necronomicon   
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:41:47
Message Number 12369

>Are you going to the conv. in Orlando?
 
Probably not. I doubt I'll have the time, actually.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Planet buster  
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:42:22
Message Number 12370

>Are you talking about the Doomsday machine?
 
Yep, sure am!
 
>I really liked Khan's quotes in ST: Wrath of Khan...."
 
Actually, they're Herman Melville's quotes, from Moby Dick (one of the
books sitting on the bookshelf in the cargo container, in fact).
"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last
breath at thee." Captain Ahab's last words. If you watch the movie 
looking for Melville references, you will find lots and lots of them.
The scriptwriter was evidently a fan of the classics...
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:45:10
Message Number 12371

>Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation."
 
Do I HAVE to? There are good Motley Crue songs; that isn't one of
them.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: KNIGHT OWL          
Subject: protocols      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:46:07
Message Number 12372

XModem 1K is normal XModem/CRC with 1024-byte packets (generic
XModem uses 128-byte packets). YModem is XModem 1K with an additional
packet that gives the name of the file being transmitted; it is
also a batch protocol, so you can send or receive a large number of
files all at once (when one file is finished transmitting, it will send
an EOT followed by a block zero containing the filename of the next
file to be sent; it uses two EOT's to end the transmission when all the
files have been sent). XModem 1K is, obviously, faster than XModem
because the packet size is larger. Its reliability is about the same,
but on noisy lines you're better off with XModem since you don't have
as much stuff to retransmit if a frame gets trashed.
===========

From: TURTLE              
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: "Slapped"      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 17:50:17
Message Number 12373

>It's all in the body language and that goes for all people in general.
 
Most people can't read body language...and not everyone exhibits it.
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: A/R and the War
Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:13:32
Message Number 12374

> garbled or lost completely.
 
  I like the garbled ones. They have nice decorative dollar signs in 
them (increasing their value?)... I can't speak for the lost ones, since
I never saw 'em (But that would seem to go along with something lost, 
right?)
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: SCOTT STEEL         
Subject: welcome        
Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:15:59
Message Number 12375

> Kirsty Alye...
 
  My Ghod! You actually got the correct pronunciation of her first name!
MANY people call her "Kristie" Alley, while it's really "Kirstie Alley".
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST movies      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:25:52
Message Number 12376

> The fifth wasn't actually a /movie/ at all...
 
  Yeah, it was Shatner's chance to make a bigger ham of himself by 
dominating the PRODUCTION as well as the acting.
 
  Actually, Star Trek V has some (albeit very little) redeeming value. 
They could have done much better with the idea, tho.
 
  BTW, did anyone see the TNG episode called "Devil's Due"? Very anti-
religious (evil grin)...
===========

From: BEATLE              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST stuff       
Date & Time: 02/20/91 18:28:08
Message Number 12377

 Any of them there episodes still available??? I'd like to get some of 
those tapes, esp. the real good episodes.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Self-improvemen
Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:50:52
Message Number 12378

So, lemme get this straight...you have all kinds of mass, but not all
of it is muscle?  Good.  Now, all you have to do is lift weights at 
p;l['./[-p';
/.]\
home, and turn that into muscle.  If you think that the pain in your
side is bad, wait'll you get into lifting.  The nice thing about 
weightlifting, is that it is brainwashing to a degree.  You feel bad
the first couple of weeks, then when you notice results, you wanna do
more.  So you start looking forward to training.  You look forward the
pain because you know that the pain is building you up.
 
Of course, it's not addictive....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:56:28
Message Number 12379

TS>Gays represent the lowest form of life on this earth...
T>Rapists and child molesters represent the lowest form of life on this
T>earth.
 
Ok, I stand corrected.  The *second* lowest form of life...
 
(I agree...this *is* a disturbing trend.)
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/20/91 20:58:41
Message Number 12380

T>[Speil on founding fathers]
 
No, I don't believe that after ousting a monarchy that they would be
very apt to want to restore another.  But then, I'm sure that they would
understand the idea of repelling a foriegn invader.
 
T>[Harrangue on George Bush]
 
Ok, so the man might be in error.  But then again, who would you rather 
have in charge of Kuwait...a docile govnt or a hostile aggressive govnt?
I think I asked you this before. 
 
T>[Defense of Max]
 
Ok, so maybe Max is not a yellow belly coward, and maybe I was wrong.
I might have posted that out of anger and not a subjective view of
Max the individual.
 
But I doubt it.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Deal!          
Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:03:06
Message Number 12381

TS>...I have already picked them out as fags...
T>Care to put money on it>
 
Yes.  You list the people that Max has introduced me to and I will
estimate probablities on which are fags and not.
 
All fags do not act alike, but a great many of them have traits in 
common.  So don't think you have got your cash yet, Turtle.
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: MY CAR!!!      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:05:12
Message Number 12382

TS> [Mustang's crushing defeat]
T>Congrats!  When...six-pack?
 
Well, that's turning out to be a little tricky.  Seems the RT hood I
have (with the Power Bubble (tm)) is not high enough to top a 
six-pack assembly.  I will probably have to get a Super Bee hood (which
apparently stands the 4 inches higher that I will need).  When I have
resolved *that* situation, then I still have to come up with $650...
GAK!    
 
 
I'm thinking sometime in winter, mebbe...of 93....
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:09:51
Message Number 12383

T>robot planet buster
 
The Doomsday Machine?    ...I dunno...
===========

From: THE SPECIALIST      
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/20/91 21:15:27
Message Number 12384

S>Listen to the Motley Crue song..."Same old Situation."
T>Do I HAVE to?  There are good Motley Crue songs;
 
No there aren't.  Seems they lack the ability to write music...and
are handicapped as far as taste goes in the lyric category.  I say 
that they lack the ability to write music because a good 80% of thier
songs use the same cords in the same fashion...C, D, G...or D, G, C...
or G, C, D.  Same ol' story same ol' Goddamn chords,  my friend.
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Opinions       
Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:14:46
Message Number 12385

Ok, ok, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. There, are you 
happy???? No offence intended, Darlin'. I would like to see a post-it
fish. 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: ST quotes      
Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:16:27
Message Number 12386

I knew someone else said them first, I just didn't know who. (Classic
illiterate) Thanks for the info. I'll actually read Moby Dick now. (Oh, 
no! Not read!!!)
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Motley Crue    
Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:17:55
Message Number 12387

I was merely referring to the message in the song. (Yes, it actually 
has a message). Motley Crue ain't all bad. Beats Lawrence Welk. But then
again, what doesn't it? 
===========

From: SAAVIK              
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Body langauge  
Date & Time: 02/20/91 22:19:25
Message Number 12388

Body Language is an art, both to exhibit and to read. I'm not as good at
it as my best friend. She can read a person across the room and she's 
seldom wrong. You should see her operate........ Wow.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Fav Shows      
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:17:27
Message Number 12389

SA> Which ones don't you like. 
   
Granted I Mudd was kinda of stupid but it was also rather funny.  
Also far a "dumb" shows go, I didn't care for the Alice in Wonderland 
that much.  But, all in all I really don't dislike any of the show. 
At least as far as I remember.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Enterprize Inc 
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:26:34
Message Number 12390

As far as female fans of Star Trek, I've met only a few. 
As for the convention, I'll go if I can, too many things sit in the 
wings. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: BEATLE              
Subject: Work-outs      
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:29:06
Message Number 12391

If you are overweight, working out is one of the best things to do. 
There are basically two ways to lose weight. One is to decrease your 
calorie intake, and the other is to increase to amount of calories you
burn up.  If you do decide to workout exercise muscle groups every
other day, and use a high protein diet.  That with allow you to build 
muscle more effectively.  Don't increase your carbohydrate intake too 
much, because then, during workout, you will be burning carbohydrates 
not fat.  Don't try to do both methods, that's a mistake a lot of 
people make.  The problem with doing that is you won't be able to 
workout long enough to start burning fat because you'll tire too easily.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: st             
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:36:28
Message Number 12392

T> No, what DO they say about opinions? 
  
Not necessarily factual, but only perspective.
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Planet buster  
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:43:04
Message Number 12393

I like the quote that Khan referred to in Space Seed. It is better to 
rule in hell, then to be a servant in heaven.(i'm not sure that's an 
accurate quote.)
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: "Slapped"      
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:48:03
Message Number 12394

SA>....you guys are so transparent...
  
I could say a few things for the women of the 90's.  I tell you one 
thing I what rather be labeled transparent (Which I don't consider  
myself to be.) then to be labeled plastic or phony.  More and more 
women today are plastic, and those kinda of people I can do without. 
I'm having to hardest time trying to find a women who is honest, and
real-to-life.  It seems that so many people have given up hope on real 
relationships, and have substituted cheap thrills.  
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: TURTLE              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:53:54
Message Number 12395

T> ..There are good Motley Cure songs; that isn't one of them. 
  
What's wrong with it?  It got good lyrics and a good beat. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give Peace agin
Date & Time: 02/21/91 00:58:22
Message Number 12396

TS> I might have posted that out of anger and not a subjective view of 
TS> Max the individual. 
   
Well, I watched you post that message and, yes, you were very angry. 
But whether or not you comments about Max are valid; I don't know, I 
hardly know him. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: THE SPECIALIST      
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/21/91 01:01:43
Message Number 12397

Seems (Motley Crue) lack the ability to write music...blather...blather
....blah. 
    
*yawn* This from a confessed hater of heavy metal.  Your prejudice is 
showing.  As far as chord structure is concerned a lot of groups, 
both heavy metal and other forms of music, usually have three or four
main chords in them. But Motley Crue does write some good songs,
some good lyrics, and some damn good guitar riffs. 
===========

From: SCOTT STEEL         
To: SAAVIK              
Subject: Give it a Rest 
Date & Time: 02/21/91 01:08:32
Message Number 12398

Congrats on getting message #12345. 
===========

From: KNIGHT OWL          
To: TURTLE              
Subject: protocols      
Date & Time: 02/21/91 03:51:52
Message Number 12399

Thanks for the info. With my new term program, is an ANSI terminak, and
VT52 terminal. I've tried getting graphics, but no luck. What should I 
try to change in the parameters menu? I've tried several things to no 
avail.
 
SEE YA!
Knight Owl
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