

#: 11124 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Jun-91  21:00:02
Sb: #Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: ALL

I am running a Tandy coco2 and Deskmate. I have tried several times to download
files from CIS and have failed on every one. How do I get a download to work, I
have tried xmodem and the host always times out. I would like to download a
real terminal program if I could only get it to work. Can anyone help me?

Tom

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#: 11138 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jun-91  00:20:47
Sb: #11124-#Downloads
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Hi Tom - hopefully someone can help you out.  Are you using an RS232 pak and
some kind of modem?  Or a modempak?  Logging on and everything else goes okay?

best - kev

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#: 11148 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jun-91  19:42:48
Sb: #11138-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,

I'm using a modem pak, I just added the m1 driver for it about a month ago. I
did so with the help of the folks here and it works great! I have no trouble
logging on, reading messages , etc. the only problem I have is downloads.
Thanks for the reply.

Tom

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#: 11152 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  08:39:51
Sb: #11148-#Downloads
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thom ...

What trouble downloading do you have? If you're using Sterm, it should be a
snap.

Steve

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#: 11159 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  19:11:21
Sb: #11152-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Here we go again. I am still using Deskmate, I would like to download STERM but
I can't. I cannot seem to get this program to accept the download. Any Ideas?

Tom



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#: 11165 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Jun-91  11:24:41
Sb: #11159-#Downloads
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thom,

I can't stand to see you suffer any longer!

Leave me your address and I'll send you a disk with Sterm. (we haven't done
this alreay? I have a sense of deja vu).

Steve

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#: 11170 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Jun-91  18:55:28
Sb: #11165-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I know the feeling, it does seem like we did this before.

Thanks for the offer, if you like I'll send you a blank disk to make a copy on.

My mailing address is:

Thomas Aubin PO Box 1593 Woonsocket, RI 02895

Thanks again, I hope someday I can help you out as much as you have helped me.

Tom

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#: 11174 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  07:45:51
Sb: #11170-#Downloads
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Don't sweat the disk, Thom ... there's plenty in the basement.

I'll whip something together and get it out in a day or two.

Steve

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#: 11178 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  19:16:29
Sb: #11174-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks

Look forward to recieving it.

BTW what do you do for work anyway? Are you some kind of computer expert or is
this just a hobby. You seem to know your stuff with these things .

Thanks for helping me out again.

Tom

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#: 11210 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Jun-91  07:52:47
Sb: #11178-Downloads
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thom,

No expert here ... just a guy that's covered some of the same ground ahead of
you ...that's all.

In real life, I work for Datapage Technologies. We're a commercial typesetter
that produces legal reference, directories and catalogs. We're also very
heavily involved in producing bar coded labels for harsh environments and
database manipulation.

Steve

#: 11143 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jun-91  01:07:15
Sb: #11124-#Downloads
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

 Sorry Tom, but the original DeskMate doesn't support xmodem as far as I know.
If it does,you'll get a XModem? yes/no window after selecting download. Without
XModem, CIS times out since no CTS can be sent if DeskMate doesn't know what's
going on. If STERM runs under Level 1 I'd be glad to sent a copy, but with
CoCo3's going for $60, it might be time to upgrade. I even bought a spare
Level2 for $4.95 just to get another manual! Otherwise, Rickeyterm and
GregEterm are cheap and work, to boot. Best of luck,  -Rick

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#: 11149 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jun-91  19:47:13
Sb: #11143-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

Thanks for the info, I don't know if sterm will work under level 1 or not.
Where did you get the level 2 for 4.95? For that matter I haven't seen coco 3's
for $60.00 either. They are $99.99 here. Where are you finding these bargains?

Tom

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#: 11151 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  07:11:36
Sb: #11149-#Downloads
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thomas,

All the CoCo stuff is SOWG  (Sold out when gone) and Tandy has a sale list that
should have the real low proces on the stuff.  Here in Las Vegas, they never
tell you about the SPIF (sp?) List pricing.  YOU have to ask.  Maybe you should
ask your local shack manager "Why can the whole country get CoCo's for XX
amount and Level II for $4.95, and You're selling it for XXX?"

Happy shopping!!!  <Grin>

Mike

PS If you can't get a good deal at your local RS, post a message and someone
may be able to pick you up what you need and ship
 it to ya.

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#: 11158 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  19:08:36
Sb: #11151-Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

Mike,

Thanks ,I'll check it out. I have a friend that works in a local Radio Shack
store . I'll see what he has to say.

Thanks again


Tom

#: 11155 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  12:30:07
Sb: #11149-#Downloads
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,
 I found all of this in the Milwaukee area. There is a wide range, some stores
are selling all software for $4.95 while others still have some things at full
price. Been driving everywhere, (probably a dozen stores this week), and then
buying stuff on the way back home. When the 502 dropped to $60, a few stores
sold CoCo's for the same price. Guess it depends on how much room and patience
each individual manager has! Somebody bought most of the remaining CoCos here
last week, so I'm expecting to see 'em on Home Shopping Network next week. Hope
ya find an XModem, the libraries here are GREAT! - Rick

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#: 11160 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  19:17:18
Sb: #11155-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

I guess the stores in my area are alittle slow. Did you say you saw a FD-502
for $60.00? They are getting $199.95 for them here.

I would like to solve my downloading problem so I can take advantage of the
libraries here. I agree , they are GREA

GREAT! (oops )

Thanks for the info.

Tom

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#: 11180 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  20:19:25
Sb: #11160-#Downloads
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,
 I'm glad I'm not in Rhode Island. If you ever get the hardware bug I can
definately recommend a '3 (80 column doesn't [exp.del.]) and windows are even
better! Hope RI catches up, for your sake!
 Best- Rick

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#: 11197 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Jun-91  21:08:23
Sb: #11180-Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick

Me too!!!

I checked with my local store and they don't have any level 2, and if they did
it would be priced at the normal price listed in the software catalog. As for
the coco 3, they still want 99.95 , so I'll wait them out. Maybe I should move
(ha ha)

Tom

#: 11182 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  20:31:11
Sb: #11160-#Downloads
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

 Down'ed STERM 1.3 on the 19th,after I RTFM on DeskMate3.Also down'ed 1.5 on
the 20th (surprize update!). If anybody can help me on this one final problem,
I'd REALLY be thankful, and besides, can finally use DeskMate for a frisbee:
   STERM 1.3 will work ONCE after boot, STERM 1.5 never!
   The error is always 'no MODEM defined' with the one exception above.
   (I'm using sterm /m1 to start both versions)
   Do I need the new TERMCAP thats bundled with 1.5 source? I took a few
  days to reflect/retry and mebbe avoid another Stupid Question, but this
  has me whupped.
 Thanks for all the help- Rick

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#: 11198 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    25-Jun-91  21:14:32
Sb: #11182-Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

I'm not fimaliar with sterm, I am using Deskmate. However 1 question, do you
have an m1 driver in your boot file. Check your module directory and see if
it's there. What are you using for a modem? a modem pak or rs-232 and external
modem. I could be wrong but if you are using rs-232 and a modem you need to use
/T2, and a modem pak uses /M1 Hope that helps.

Tom

#: 11199 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    26-Jun-91  08:21:13
Sb: #11182-Downloads
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

I'm not sure what the problem with Sterm 1.3 is, but with 1.5, you must specify
the modem port on the command line, like: sterm -l /m1

Bill

#: 11211 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    27-Jun-91  08:00:34
Sb: #11182-Downloads
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

Bill has given you the NEW syntax for Sterm 1.5. A quick reference of the
syntax can be had by typing STERM -?. Mark's added a nmber of command line
options.

The termcap in place for 1.3 should be forward compatable with 1.5. Might be a
few minor entry updates, but nothing major. I wasable to replace my old version
of sterm with 1.5 by exchanging binaries. Nothing else.


Steve

#: 11156 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  17:37:01
Sb: #11124-#Downloads
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

You might look at lib 7 (or maybe 10) for XCOM9.  It runs on OS9 Level one and
it does XMODEM. Of course, its a binary file, and you need XMODEM or CIS-"B" to
get it. (Catch 22).  Do you have an RS-DOS term program that does XMODEM
(Mikeyterm, Gregeterm, ULterm ) - then you could use one of the RS-DOS to OS9
transfer utilities? Good luck & keep trying. JohnW

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#: 11161 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    22-Jun-91  19:22:21
Sb: #11156-#Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

No, all I have is deskmate and a modem pak. The modem pak will do an xmodem but
I have no way to put it on a disk. The modem pak without os9 will only access
cassete. Any way to download the file you mentioned and copy to disk? In other
words it MUST have line numbers or the computer will give an IO error. If it
does have line numbers it should work if not I guess it's catch 22 again. Any
Ideas?

Thanks

TOM

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#: 11164 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Jun-91  08:52:09
Sb: #11161-#Downloads
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Hmmmmm,

Plan A: I could convert it to an "S-record" ASCII file (see EXBIN and BINEX in
your OS9 manual) and then EMAIL it to you.  It might take you a few tries to
get a good download with no error correction. This assumes you have the OS9
Level I operating system (not just the bare boot that comes with Deskmate).
Plan B: Send me your address - I'll mail you a disk.

John Wainwright

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#: 11171 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Jun-91  18:57:55
Sb: #11164-Downloads
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

Thanks for the offer, I have recieved a similar offer from someone else. I have
already accepted. Thanks again.

TOM

#: 11125 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:02:36
Sb: #11086-#UMUSE3
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Bert Schneider 70244,427 (X)

Hi.  Yes, there is some outift that will really rebiuild your MT32, for a
pretty stiff price.  Also I can buy a ROM upgrade to my Korg SW-8000 (that's
DW, not SW) that will add lots of features.

No I don't know the XTGEN2 interface -- just WD-1000A or whatever I got 4 years
ago for my B&B.

Yes, if your directory has more than 42 (I think) .UME files, Umuse3 knows it
can't save that much background, so it opens the window for the file names in
Non-Save mode.  I really should add code to redraw everything when you do
that.... Meanwhile, try splitting your UME files up by type of music, or synth
model, or mood, or whatever. Regards, mike k

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#: 11140 S4/MIDI and Music
    21-Jun-91  00:25:53
Sb: #11125-UMUSE3
Fm: Bert Schneider 70244,427
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

I'll do that.  As soon as I get my hard drive working again.  I am so close but
yet so far.  I think I need to work on a select circuit for my CTS* line.  I
think I'll use a flip flop and a bus driver to make one hi-Z while the other
gets the CTS* line from the CoCo.

Take care.

#: 11228 S4/MIDI and Music
    28-Jun-91  15:42:42
Sb: #11125-UMUSE3
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike,

What's that DW8000 upgrade you're talking about? And send along what you've got
on UMUSE, please.

Paul

IMS

#: 11126 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Jun-91  21:32:10
Sb: #11114-#Help a Monk
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

If I was writing DIM statements, would I use DIM Column:INTEGER to convert a C
statement such as "int column;"? --Thank you, JEREMY, CSJW

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#: 11139 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jun-91  00:22:24
Sb: #11126-Help a Monk
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Jeremy - yep, DIM variable:INTEGER should work just fine.

If you can figure out what their intent was, of course, that'd be even a better
way to see if an integer is the best choice.

#: 11231 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Jun-91  15:54:49
Sb: #11106-#Help a Monk
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

There was a rumored version of a Level 2 upgrade that allowed you to use the
right button just for the purpose of switching windows. Right now,

the MM/1 does that with the right button.

CoCo OS-9 will be going strong for at least another two years, I think.

Paul

IMS

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#: 11253 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    29-Jun-91  21:53:06
Sb: #11231-Help a Monk
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

I hope that the OS9/COCO community will keep going strong. Many of us cannot
afford to move to one of the new machines. I realize that the commercial
programmers have to go where the money is. I also realize that the hobbyist
will support whatever machine they use the most.
 For example, MAX-10 is the only RS-DOS program I ever use. I just noticed
COCOPRO listed a NEWSPAPER-09 in this mnonths Rainbow. Does anyone have any
info on it? I still hope that the OS9 Level 2 upgrade will materialize. I hate
to keep haunting people about it...but... we need it badly. -Br. Jeremy, CSJW.

#: 11127 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-Jun-91  21:36:03
Sb: SALE OF COCO STUFF
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
To: ALL

         Selling my entire inventory of COCO III hardware
   and software.    Have the following on hand:
   Two (2) COCO 3 with 512k RAM                 ea  150.00
   Disto Super controller II w 4 in 1 board.        150.00
   WD 1002 harddisk controller  (2 controllers)     125.00
   All necessary cables all hardware included of course
   Eliminator and WD 1002-05 controller             200.00
   Two (2) Tandon 10meg Full hight HD           ea   35.00
   Standard J/W floppy controller                    25.00
   3.5" 720k drive and two 5.25" 360K drives.   ea   55.00
   Zenith data systems green mono monitor.           35.00
   Magnavox 8CM515 color monitor.                   150.00
   OS9 level 1 original system                       10.00
   OS9 level 2:                                      25.00
   Basic system,  Developers pack, Multi Vue.   ea   25.00
   Sculptor Data base system                         50.00
   Dynacalc spreadsheet                              25.00
   Stylograph Wordprosseing system for COCO3         25.00
   C for OS9 and PASCAL for OS9.                ea   10.00
   DESKMATE 3                                        25.00
   OS9 PROFILE database system.                      -----
   OS9 Flight simulator II                           -----
   A bunch of RAINBOW on tape as well as RAINBOW on disk
   All original manuals and the Tandy service manual
   The Rainbow guide for OS9 and the BASIC 09 Tour guide
   A couple of 6809 assembly language books
   All documentation and books for all programs are available
   All prices are somewhat adjustable depending on the
   level of interest.  Prefer to sell in one big shot off
   course, but will break up the set if necessary.
   All sales are C O D via UPS land.
   Call or write via E-Mail here on Compuserve 74016,631
   VOICE (914) 478 5848 or send FAX (914) 478 5851

#: 11128 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:41:54
Sb: #10650-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

Say Paul -- I thought you had my docs on the UME file format. Or aren't they
clear enough towrite code from?

I appreciate that you might not want to rely on my VIrtual Memory scheme, which
won't work on GIMIX boxes et al.  But my scheme could be easily converted to
Data Modules, which *do* work on any flavor OS9-L2.

Sounds like MFF1 files are like LYRA files -- you have to watch all the tracks
to see who's playing next!  Right, a RAM disk will help a lot, but virtual
memory would be much faster. I do intend to upload a sanitized copy of my virt
mem routines so anyone can use them.  I just uploaded my bit-banger serial MIDI
driver. {_Sheesh, you wastiong your gorgeous video theatre setup on RERUNS?!?
--mike k

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#: 11163 S4/MIDI and Music
    23-Jun-91  00:22:33
Sb: #11128-latest SMF stuff
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111


Hi Mike,

CIS costs too much and I *wish* the OS9UG would "move" to a cheaper place to
"live".  So I left you a reply on Delphi to your messages here on CIS, after
remembering you wanted to "move" our discussions there, too.  Let me know if
you'd rather use CIS.

-- Thx, Paul Seniura (76476,464).



#: 11130 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:48:41
Sb: #10753-latest SMF stuff
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Hi James.  I got that source a while back -- don't remember whether it was from
you or someone just uploaded it.  Bet it was from you after all. I got it
working enuf to test it, but haven't seriously fooled with it. Would like to,
but many other things to do, like new UME features. BTW, the MM/1 port has
already helped add features and remove bugs from the Coco version -- it can now
enable/disable individual Parts and/or MIDI channels.  --mike k

#: 11131 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:51:32
Sb: #10834-#latest SMF stuff
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)

Hi Ches.  I finally broke down and allowed a PC-AT compatible into the house,
so I wonder what SongWright sells for, and from whom. Sounds like a PC versin
of UME.  Or can you record your own hand playing into it also?  Thanks, mike
knudsen

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#: 11154 S4/MIDI and Music
    22-Jun-91  10:18:43
Sb: #11131-latest SMF stuff
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike, it is similar.  I'll send you an eazyplex message.  Ches.

#: 11129 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:46:08
Sb: #10738-latest SMF stuff
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

There is a very old MTPanel program for diddling the MT32 -- pretty nice, all
written in C.  I have it here, but forget who wrote and uploaded it too. Larry
Miner did the Yamaha PSS480 version called PED.

Soon UME will have MIDI Events, both little 2-3 byte zaps from in the score
plus whole file writes.  Yer right, the factory patches could use a LOT of
work.  So could Roland's cursed note-dropping algorithms.  --mike k

#: 11132 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:55:29
Sb: #10853-#Bad Download
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Lester Hands 70135,430 (X)

Hi Lester.  Wish I'd had my screen-saver mode on -- I caught you recommending
UltiMuse, grin!  Axctually, I steered at least one PC owner on a tight budget
towards Lyra-PC, so I guess we're even. Is Lyra-PC still marketed?  I got a
used PC-AT and ran your demo verions of that in CGA mode OK.  Regards, mike
knudsen

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#: 11420 S4/MIDI and Music
    21-Jul-91  10:16:20
Sb: #11132-Bad Download
Fm: Lester Hands 70135,430
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Hi Mike! Yep, I try to recommend the best thing for what the person wants.
Ultimuse is a good program (!) and I don't mind saying so.

PC-Lyra is still around, though I am not personally marketing it now. It is
being sold as a part of a FM synthesizer board (that comes with digital
sampling and a MIDI interface) produced by an Oregon company, Covox.

You really have a PC?!! I can imagine it is gathering dust most of the time
<grin>. Lester

#: 11133 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:57:31
Sb: #10802-UltiMuse3
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Just to tie this off -- I gave Mark the patch to ShellPlus to fix that DirRead
problem.  Patch location $130F from $1F to $11. Yes, patching to $00 will work,
but $11 helps utility programs run faster. --mike knudsen

#: 11134 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  21:59:28
Sb: #10805-UltiMuse3
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

James, inc case you haven't hread, Mark is using ShellPlus v2.1 whjich itself
does explicit memory allocation of #31 or 7+3/4 K. As you know that messes up C
programs that malloc() their own RAM. The patch I gave takes that out, or
replaces it with #4K. --mike k.

#: 11136 S4/MIDI and Music
    20-Jun-91  22:03:44
Sb: #10817-#UltiMuse3
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)

Mark, thanks for an idea for a little fix to go in the next version,grin (well
no grin at your end, sorry!). Yes it's funny to see it save a score named "".
Actually, it might have created a file name .UME -- did you look with a DIR E? 
Not clear what Umuse would show on a Read DIR screen.

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#: 11146 S4/MIDI and Music
    21-Jun-91  10:37:57
Sb: #11136-UltiMuse3
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111

Mike,
 I've gotten over that little one, and have really had a good time entering and
play scores. I bought a hi-res mouse adapter for $5.00 and it improves the
"feel", but it worked great without it, IMHO. I bought dynacalc for $5.00 at
the same Rat Shack, BTW. Now, after not running my CoCo for almost two years,
it runs umuse3 on /term, dynacalc in /w1, and ubox3 in /w2, and stay on most of
the time.
 After noting how nice the windowing is on my home computer, we'er getting Sun
Workstations at work, using Sable C++ interpreter for debugging. Now *that* may
spoil me <g>!
 Mark
 att!docs!mdw
 att!corona!mdw
 attmail!wuest
 (They keep moving us around: I have more logins than  a New Yorker has
attitudes.)

#: 11135 S15/Hot Topics
    20-Jun-91  22:03:11
Sb: #11123-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Well, I originally ordered last July, and switched to a kit last December, and
I am still waiting on mine.  Mary Kay at IMS said it should have been shipped
last week or early this week, so we'll see (hopefully SOON!).

Waiting with baited breath,

  --Colin

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#: 11233 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:05:08
Sb: #11135-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Colin,

Mary Kay sent out some preliminary information that has been updated. Your
computer is actually shipping int he shipment right AFTER Jim Peasley, so he'll
be a happy camper about two days before you will.

Let me know if there's anything more we can do.

IMS

PAUL WARD

202 232 4246



#: 11145 S15/Hot Topics
    21-Jun-91  05:43:13
Sb: #11123-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Let's see.  I'm one of those who picked up most of my MM/1 at RAINBOWFest.  I'm
still waiting on the I/O board (though there was a UPS sticker saying something
was left at the condo office addressed to me--I'll probably peek in the window
of the room where they keep such stuff this morning, since they keep pretty
short hours.  I don't know what it is, but I am hopeful).

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#: 11234 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:06:23
Sb: #11145-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

No, not the I/O board. Testing will take place all next week. It is not trivial
to test hundreds of boards, so be a little patient! As you have been so far.

Best regards,

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246

#: 11157 S15/Hot Topics
    22-Jun-91  17:49:01
Sb: #11123-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Original order in June or July last year - switched to kit in December (about
the same as Colin). I was told that I was # 20-something (maybe 26, don't
remember for sure) on the list.  Watchin & Waitin. Will advise. JohnW

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#: 11166 S15/Hot Topics
    23-Jun-91  12:42:22
Sb: #11157-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John;

  Me too... ordered in July and opted for the kit when it looked as though the
FCC was going to hold things up.   I've been told that I'm #39.

  Talking to Paul last week he said that they're shipping out 35 computers
twice weekly (this starting 6/10). 

  There's 2 ways of interpreting this... 
    35 x 2 = 70 computers/week   or
    17 x 2 = 35 computers/week

  Either way, it would seem that both you and I should have received our MM/1ds
by now.

  Paul said that mine is scheduled to be shipped on 6/30, which doesn't
compute at all... unless they're shipping NEW orders before those from us that
ordered almost a year ago.  One would think that back orders would be shipped
out first, and then new orders... at least that's the way I'd do it - support
those that believed enough in me to plunk down their hard-earned cash  when
this was just an idea!
Either something is rotten in Denmark, or we're not getting the full story,
and I'm almost ready to chuck the idea of an MM/1.
 ...Jim



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#: 11167 S15/Hot Topics
    23-Jun-91  15:32:19
Sb: #11166-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim - or it might mean that there were a lot of people who plunked down cash a
long time ago :-)   Dunno.

Very likely, all the small companies hand-assemble/pack the final computers,
and hand-copy the disks... that's a lot of work there alone.

And there's always the unexpected.  Lots of that, in parts, cases, deliveries
by suppliers etc.

You should see some of the complaints on other forums... and they're about
multimillion dollar companies!   So I think continued patience will work out in
this case.

Y'all ever decide to move, btw?   best - kev

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#: 11176 S15/Hot Topics
    24-Jun-91  08:53:58
Sb: #11167-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kev;

 > Jim - or it might mean that there were a lot of people who plunked down 
 > cash a long time ago :-)   Dunno.

  Yeah, that's me.  I was paid in full for my MM/1 on 12/31/90.

 > And there's always the unexpected.  Lots of that, in parts, cases, 
 > deliveries by suppliers etc.

  Understood -- no problem with the unexpected..  I kinda expected that <g>.
My problem comes from the lack of and mis-information coming from IMS. It's
kinda like standing at the counter in a busy store and being 'invisible' to
the clerks there.

 > Y'all ever decide to move, btw?   best - kev

  Yep, we decided to move after our first trip out there last summer.  Fell in
love with the place.  Only things holding us up are getting the house put back
together and a job offer on that end.  Latter may be a while, former is coming
along nicely, although slowly.

 ...Jim



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#: 11237 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:19:06
Sb: #11176-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim,

I hope our mistakes are not viewed by you as a slight. They are not meant to
be. In general, our colleagues are damn impressed by what we've done, and IMS
is very proud of its staff and of our customers.

Now that we are through the major hump, we'll be very informative because now
we have the TIME to be up here and elsewhere!

If you have specific data you would like to see, let us know.

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246



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#: 11252 S15/Hot Topics
    29-Jun-91  12:29:34
Sb: #11237-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Paul;

 > I hope our mistakes are not viewed by you as a slight. 
 > 
 > Now that we are through the major hump, we'll be very informative 
 > because now we have the TIME to be up here and elsewhere!

  By the same token, I would hope that my comments about information (lack of
and mis-) were not construed as 'casting aspersions'.  My intent was to veice
my frustrations about being 'in the dark' for so long and to hopefully clear
up some of the mis-information that's been spread about.

  Case in point:

  In the 1/7/91 kit announcement it was mentioned that the MM/1 has been
shipping to industrial users and developers since April, 1990.  At the end,
there is an invitation to place orders for FEBRUARY delivery.

  In the update file after the Rainbowfest:

IMS announces widespread shipping of MM/1 computers.
Currently, dozens of computers have been shipped...
The pace of shipping is now brisk. This week has seen the shipping of dozens...

  I could go on, but I think younsee my point.  In a dynamic situation, info
must be updated on a regular basis when you're dealing with customers.

  I can appreciate your busy schedule and coping with unforseen events as I'm
in the same situption.  My customers, while they might not like the delivery
schedule we've worked out, understand delays that are beyond my control, and
are quite understanding when they happen -- but ONLY when I inform them that a
situation has occurred!  Communication, therefore, has become a major part of
my job description.

  I apologize for putting you on the spot like this, but it looks as though
my note DID trigger the info we've all been looking for.

 ...Jim

p.s. Why don'tcha replace that crashed PC on your desk with a REAL computer?
     <g>


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#: 11264 S15/Hot Topics
    01-Jul-91  14:45:17
Sb: #11252-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

No need to apologize for putting me on the spot, Jim!

Keeping you informed has been one thing we've LIKED doing -- once again, the
time crunch has been horrendous. Now things look a little freer, so we'll be up
often.

Sure, we've made some missteps by not communicating better, but we now have
some new policies and procedures that will fix this problem.

BTW, that damn PC on my desk that has crashed will be replaced VERY soon. I
 am really tired of not having full-screen windows on it, at the very least.

Paul

Incidentally, I noted that DOS 5.0 includes some neat features, like line
editing and an editor better than Edlin.

Wow, I'm impressed.

Paul

#: 11204 S15/Hot Topics
    26-Jun-91  21:22:44
Sb: #11166-MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim,  I suspect the problem is the same as it has always been - surprises keep
lousing up Paul's predictions on shipping dates.  I WAS told that the units
will be shipped in the same order that orders were received. I believe they
will stick to that.  I'm hanging in there, and I will sing out when I get mine.

JohnW

#: 11236 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:16:51
Sb: #11166-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Jim,

You misunderstood my numbers, but they are not far off. Still, as I told you on
the phone, we ship out approximately in the order that we received the orders.

The variables that go into shipping are exactly these, just so you don't think
I'm keeping anything from you:

Who ordered what When do we receive cables for floppies, parallel ports, etc.
When are the modified cases ready Cash flow for that week When quantity
purchases need to be made Man power assigned to a given day

Once these factors are considered, a schedule is set up. When gaps occur,
simple to assemble kits are inserted from folks who ordered later. That means
that, in a given month, like June, we have approximatedly 10% of the folks
being shipped out that ordered somewhat later (like a few weeks later) than
folks who ship out in early July. The difference is only a few days.

We work three people around the clock to get these systems out. Each system,
with case and two board set, manuals, cables, boxing, labeling, and shipping,
takes approximately four hours. Others take longer when we go throught
inventory for extra drives, hard drives, custom cables, monitors, keyboards,
and so on. It is very complex.

No one here at IMS is holding you up. Data has been fluid as we have been
handling literally thousands of details.

Incidentally, ALL computer companies experience delays. Compaq recently told a
major customer that they were unable to ship for three months. Reason? Memory
chip availability at the price they wanted. In other words, they were pinching
dimes and holding up big customers. At least IMS doesn't do THAT!

Please do stay in touch at 202 232 4246. We'll tell you exactly what we know,
and what we cannot know, and we will tell you the day your kit ships.

Yours truly,

Paul Ward

IMS



#: 11181 S15/Hot Topics
    24-Jun-91  20:24:35
Sb: #11157-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Say John, if you call IMS, they can now tell you about what day your system
will be shipped.  Paul Ward hisself told me that mine would be shipped on or
before July 3'rd, based on the number of people before me and the rate at which
they are going out.

  --Colin

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#: 11206 S15/Hot Topics
    26-Jun-91  21:31:42
Sb: #11181-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Thanks, Colin,  just from following the messages here and on other forums, I
have a pretty good idea of the shipping progress.  I hope EVERYBODY will report
when they receive the computers - that will keep us all up to date.

JohnW

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#: 11213 S15/Hot Topics
    27-Jun-91  12:44:45
Sb: #11206-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

I got my MM/1 on tuesday, although I don't know what number I was on the list.
One small problem, though, I forgot all about a monitor cable, so I haven't
been able to fire it up yet. Do you know if its easy to make a cable for a
CM-8? I'm going to try calling IMS this afternoon about one of their adapaters.

Bill

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#: 11214 S15/Hot Topics
    27-Jun-91  20:05:55
Sb: #11213-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill, I don't know what the Monitor End of the CM8 cable looks like, but I do
have the pin-out for the COCO end (that 10 pin connector that comes with the
CM8) I had to make up a cable for the Magnavox monitor for my coco.  Knowing
the arrangement for the plug on the computer end of the cm8 cable, it shouldn't
be too hard to cook up an adaptor for the MM1.  Here goes. 1. Ground 2. Ground
3. Red 4. Green 5. Blue 6. No Connection 7. Sound 8. Horiz Sync 9. Vert Sync
10. Ground

Hope this helps.

JohnW

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#: 11215 S15/Hot Topics
    27-Jun-91  20:27:54
Sb: #11214-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John, thanks for the info on the CM8 cable, now all I need is info on the MM/1
connector. The documentation for the MM/1 kit refers to an additional
information sheet that contains board layout, jumper configuration, etc. but it
didn't come with the kit. I have tried calling IMS for two days, but all I get
is an answering machine or a busy signal.

Bill

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#: 11216 S15/Hot Topics
    27-Jun-91  22:17:08
Sb: #11215-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill - wish I had the dope on the monitor pinout, but I don't.  It's supposed
to be the same as a "standard PC connector", whatever that means :-)

Won't swear to it, but P8 must be the Hsync/Vsync inversion jumpers if needed.

Paul's wife just got back from being away on a job for a coupla months, so
mebbe he's busier than usual right now :-)   Married types understand <g>

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#: 11217 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  06:37:53
Sb: #11216-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Thanks, Kev. I'll look around for the standard PC pinout, maybe someone else
will have it. I can understand why its a little difficult to get through at
IMS, but its so frustrating to finally have an MM/1 and not be able to use it!

Bill

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#: 11218 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  07:17:44
Sb: #11217-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

I'm not sure this will help but there is a Technical Reference Manual for the
PC-XT at the office on a shelf (or in a drawer) behind Ed's desk. It has
pinouts for various things in it. Maybe you'll get lucky!




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#: 11219 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  07:56:10
Sb: #11218-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X)

I managed to find a couple of files on the IBMHW and Zenith forms. It looks
like the pins match up one for one on a DB9 connector, so I'm going to go pick
up a coulple of DB9 connectors, I need one for the serial port too.

Bill

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#: 11220 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  08:07:18
Sb: #11219-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin McKay 73340,2275
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

MM/1  Connectors

Video Female 9 Pin D

1 NC      3 Red     5 Blue    7 NC      9 V-Sync
     2 Gnd     4 Green   6 NC      8 H-Sync

These are the pinouts for the MM/1 that I got from Paul Ward over the phone the
other day. Best time to talk to him seems to be between 2 pm and 3pm. (At least
that's when I usually talk to him.)

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#: 11222 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  10:30:50
Sb: #11220-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Colin McKay 73340,2275 (X)

Thanks, Colin, I almost had it right, that is exactly what I needed. I have
tried calling him then, but apparently everyone else does too, since its
usually busy. The problem is compouned by the fact that I can't make long
distance credit card calls from work, so have to go outside to a pay phone.

Bill

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#: 11242 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:26:53
Sb: #11222-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

Just leave an office number when you call. Right now my IBM PC with my database
of phone numbers has CRASHED -- well, serves me right -so I can't get to your
number until find and fix the faulty sector.

Paul

Who is, incidentally, using an MM/1 for EVERYTHING else!



#: 11241 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:24:59
Sb: #11217-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

One thing we have begun to implement is a voice contact with each customer
before shipping. It seems as though what people order and what we send are
accurate, but what people actually NEED is different, and we are learning the
questions to ask, e.g., what monitor are you using?

Best,

Paul

IMS

#: 11227 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  15:42:42
Sb: #11216-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kev,

I did have the jumper descriptions all along, I was looking for an actual
diagram, but the jumpers are listed in the back of the kit installation guide.
The descriptions could have been more thorough, but the info is adequate for
what I need. P8 does set logic of HSYNC and VSYNC.

Bill

#: 11240 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:23:24
Sb: #11215-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

I got your call on the machine, but did not catch your phone number.

I will email you jumper configuration.

CM-8 video and MM/1 video connectors are pin for pin compatible. Just ignore
line 10.

Paul

IMS

#: 11293 S15/Hot Topics
    05-Jul-91  07:11:37
Sb: #11215-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

     If you ordered soon enough (as in when IMS said that the MM-1 was standard
with a CM-8 connector) then they will give you a cable FREE (if you really care
to wait for them to ship it, that is...).

     There is also the pinout for the MM-1 video connector in the latest issue
of The OSK'er.  I believe it matches the MM-1 pin-for-pin.  If you want me to
look it up for you, just yell and I'll be glad to do it.

 --  Colin

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#: 11295 S15/Hot Topics
    05-Jul-91  09:36:22
Sb: #11293-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Colin, thanks, but I have it working now. I think I will ask IMS to send me one
of their adapters. Bill

#: 11239 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:21:48
Sb: #11213-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

We ar getting a new passle of CM-8 adapters next week. Call me and I'll
expedite one to you. They ar emade by the loving hands of Mark Griffith.

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246 2pm - 5pm

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#: 11251 S15/Hot Topics
    29-Jun-91  10:51:44
Sb: #11239-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Paul,

Thanks, but I managed to put one together myself, not only that, but it works!
I was temporarily stumped by the "backwards" color command, thought I had red
and green reversed in the adapter, then, of course I noticed the color.note
file.

Bill

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#: 11263 S15/Hot Topics
    01-Jul-91  14:40:15
Sb: #11251-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

I think Brett Wynkoop is selling some OSK / MM/1 stuff with a neato enhanced
color command. Give him a call at home at 212 567-7617 to order.

Or you can just place the order with us. Try Brett first though, so he can get
hte benefit of the work he has put in so far.

Best,

Paul IMS

#: 11292 S15/Hot Topics
    05-Jul-91  07:08:21
Sb: #11206-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

BTW, due to memory chip delays, my shipping date has been bumped from July 3 to
July 8.  Oh well, after waiting this long, what's a few more days?

  -- Colin

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#: 11300 S15/Hot Topics
    05-Jul-91  20:47:49
Sb: #11292-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Oh, well, probably not too much moving in this country between the 3rd and the
8th anyway. Hang in there.

JohnW

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#: 11304 S15/Hot Topics
    06-Jul-91  11:26:27
Sb: #11300-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Like I've said before, when you've waited this long, what's a few more days?

:-)

  --Colin

#: 11338 S15/Hot Topics
    10-Jul-91  23:43:52
Sb: #11300-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

Shall we doublecheck your order? Please call Thursday or Friday. In the
meantime, I'll try to call you.

Best,

paul IMS

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#: 11356 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Jul-91  22:09:16
Sb: #11338-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Hi Paul,

Since I live alone and work during the day, I am hard to catch on the phone
before 5 or 6 EST.  I am home most evenings and weekends.  I will call you
Thursday or Friday.  Ummm, when we "doublecheck" my order, which of us will be
looking at a box of computer parts? - In other words, does this mean it will be
shipped sometime after next Thursday or Friday, (whimper), or you have already
shipped it and want to know if I got everything I wanted (LARGE Grin)?  How's
it going with the "old" SCSI chips in the second boards?  (If you toss a few in
the box with my MM1, I'll be happy to test them and ship back all but one-
hehe).

John Wainwright

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#: 11359 S15/Hot Topics
    12-Jul-91  23:36:27
Sb: #11356-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

GRIN.

Your box is being burned in now. Shipment will be by UPS going out sometime
Tuesday or Wednesday. Sorry I can't be more specific, but you are one of
fourteen machines going out on those two days. Anyway, BEFORE we send it, we
need to make sure we are synchronized. We have an order summary printed, but
often Mary Kay Weglein did not ask questions like: Do you need a CM-8 adapter
cable? Do you need a 5.25" floppy to transfer data to the MM/1 from your CoCo?

So give a call.If you will be in over the weekend, call 202 232 4246 and leave
a message to that effect. I check the office voice mail once a day over the
weekend.

Best,

Paul IMS

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#: 11366 S15/Hot Topics
    13-Jul-91  19:00:33
Sb: #11359-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

(GRINNING)

I will be at home on Sunday morning - will leave a message on your machine. In
case I miss connecting, here is some info.

Monitor - I have a Magnavox analog monitor xCM535 (forgot first character of
the model) - 640x200 analog or digital - uses an 8-pin DIN plug for input. I
have a home-made cable to connect it to the COCO, planned to just put a second
plug on the same cable when I got the MM1, but if you have a pre-made cable for
the magnavox, I'll buy it. Disks - My COCO has both 5-1/4 and 3-1/2 disks.  As
long as the highdensity drive in the MM1 can read a 720k 3-1/2 floppy, I should
have no problem with data transfer. I have a keyboard (NOT the brand that
someone mentioned he had trouble with). (I also have a 40m SCSI hard drive that
I hope will work when the second board comes through). I also have a large box
of tools and a lot of assorted connectors and wire - that MM1 WILL be up and
running the day it arrives.

John Wainwright

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#: 11378 S15/Hot Topics
    15-Jul-91  01:30:21
Sb: #11366-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

I got a confirmation Saturday that your machine will be shipped on Tuesday. OK,
Actually he said Monday. But with Murphy's law, Tuesday.

Sounds like you're set. No need to throw in a CM-8 adapter cable for ya.

I would recommend you start making that monitor cable.

Best,

Paul IMS

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#: 11387 S15/Hot Topics
    15-Jul-91  22:15:30
Sb: #11378-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Paul,

Great! I'll be looking for the delivery truck.  Digging out soldering iron.
(Who was it that said "Murphy was an optimist"?)

John Wainwright

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#: 11392 S15/Hot Topics
    16-Jul-91  17:00:22
Sb: #11387-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

Bad news! No, your computer WAS shipped! But you WON't need a soldering iron!
Too bad....

Grin.

Paul IMS

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#: 11416 S15/Hot Topics
    20-Jul-91  20:32:00
Sb: #11392-MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

Paul,

It's HERE.  The MM/1 arrived Thursday. I am a "happy camper".  Re the message
on your office phone, the 3.5 in high density drive that came with it was DEAD.
It took me a while to make sure I didn't have some jumper in the wrong place
(tried everything but exorcism and explosives) I bought another drive (I had
planned to get a second one anyway) - the second drive worked, but wouldn't get
all the way through a FORMAT - hung up at cluster 58h - sometimes a little
further.  Now I was sure I had fouled up somewhere (nobody gets TWO bad drives
in a row, right?). More checking.  After several hours, I took BOTH drives to
my local PC guy and hooked them to a working "286".  Sure enough, first one
DEAD, second one wouldn't format.  Third drive did it.  Just finished making
backups of all the distribution disks so I can do some serious fiddling. Wanted
to use the MM/1 to post this message, but the 9 to 25 pin Rs-232 adaptor I have
is the wrong gender (Murphy is with me) - I'll get one tommorrow. This message
complements of my faithful old Tandy 2000 - can't use the COCO either, it lost
its monitor to the MM/1.  I'd swear I heard the COCO whimper when I swiped it's
Magnavox - I may have to get it one of those close-out CM-8s to console it. 
Back to my new toy.

Later,

Oh, I almost forgot, where do I ship that DEAD drive?

John Wainwright

#: 11337 S15/Hot Topics
    10-Jul-91  23:42:56
Sb: #11292-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Colin,

We got your machine in from the factory today. We are checking ALL of the new
boards out, and presuming that they all pass, yours should be along quickly.

Paul IMS

#: 11238 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:20:31
Sb: #11181-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 (X)

Colin,

Actually, I read off our schedule when yours is going out. We are one day
behind in that schedule, and I predict we will pick up that day next week. So
you are on for the 3rd.

Best,

Paul

#: 11235 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:08:26
Sb: #11157-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

According to my records, you were either shipped today or will be shipped next
Monday. The schedule I have was printed about ten days ago. It should be
relatively up to date.

Give a call to me next Monday afternoon, i should be able to let you know if it
went out that day!

Best regards,

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246

2pm to 5pm



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#: 11246 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  19:17:05
Sb: #11235-MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Good news!  Thanks, Paul - I'll try to call Monday to confirm.

JohnW

#: 11190 S15/Hot Topics
    25-Jun-91  10:35:27
Sb: #11123-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin McKay 73340,2275
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

I am number 19 on the list. According to Paul Ward, my system was shipped out
last Thursday, June 20. I haven't received it yet though. (I live in Canada, so
it is probably tied up at customs.)

Anyway, I dispute Paul's statement in his posting on 14 June that "dozens" of
systems had been shipped. Better not have been, as I was number 19 on the list.
;-)!!

Hopefully mine will be here soon. Ken Scales (#21) has his machine, but it was
initially sent without the disks. They arrived yesterday though. (24 June)

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#: 11207 S15/Hot Topics
    26-Jun-91  21:37:49
Sb: #11190-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Colin McKay 73340,2275 (X)

Wellllll, if you are speaking in "dozens" and you have shipped 13 of them,
--that's more than a dozen, so it's dozens.  (Right?)  ;)

JohnW

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#: 11212 S15/Hot Topics
    27-Jun-91  11:36:36
Sb: #11207-#MM/1 delivery
Fm: Colin McKay 73340,2275
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

Well, no. Dozens implies (at least to me) more than one dozen, ie two dozen, or
three dozen. Not a dozen plus one.

Anyway, a moot point since mine has been shipped. Its probably sitting in
customs right now.

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#: 11244 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:30:42
Sb: #11212-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Colin McKay 73340,2275 (X)

Colin,

Yes, it has been confirmed by North Carolina that yours was seen sitting
waiting for UPS a couple of days ago, so it surely is either on its way on the
Big Grey Truck, or at customs.

Paul

IMS



#: 11243 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  16:29:33
Sb: #11207-MM/1 delivery
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

You gotta count the people at the Fest we shipped to, as well. Your system is
going out with 19, 20, 23, 24 and 25 -- so you can see there is a LITTLE
skipping around -- as explained before it has to do with several variables. But
we are only one day behind now!

Feels good, BTW.

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246



#: 11137 S1/General Interest
    21-Jun-91  00:04:31
Sb: #The REPLY Command!
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: All

Hello:

How do I reply to a forum message? I have tried typing REPLY and it come back,
invalided command>

Help, Keith

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11142 S1/General Interest
    21-Jun-91  01:06:01
Sb: #11137-The REPLY Command!
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith -

Just type REP at the 'Read Action !' prompts. Also, type HELP anytime you're
unsure of what to do next.

Pete

#: 11141 S7/Telecommunications
    21-Jun-91  01:01:20
Sb: #11122-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)

Nothing to review.... Kevin Pease has graciously floated me an 020 as a nasty
trick to keep me immersed in os9, and to keep from from becoming exclusively
Unix (grin). It's a Gimix 68020 SBC, and he's outfitted it with 16 serial
ports, a SCSI drive, and os9 2.3 for the 68020. Actually, I'm engaged in
working on grafting the autobaud mechanisms into Mtsmon so we can get some
reliable, secure, and baud rate agile login facilities for UUCP and general
use. My travel schedule (and school) is playing hell with my progress, but I
will get it done shortly.

Pete

#: 11191 S7/Telecommunications
    25-Jun-91  14:18:53
Sb: #11010-Sterm1_4 parameters
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Ooofff!  I just realized I haven't been on in a month.  Sorry. Should be 'sterm
/t7' unless it is the latest version.  In that case it is 'sterm -l /t7' (like
kermit ;-)

#: 11147 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    21-Jun-91  14:47:54
Sb: OSK 68000 Archives
Fm: CHUCK LOUGHRY 70615,213
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

P}iete - Thanks for the help on the 68000 OSK problem. I have been trying to
figure out how to get some of the great software out here but didn't know which
archiver to use. Again, Thanks Pete.

    CHUCK [ 70615,213 ]

#: 11162 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    23-Jun-91  00:19:59
Sb: #still need help!
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: all


Well, once again I thought I'd remind everyone I'm *still* awaiting responses
of any kind from the various articles and documentation I've uploaded over the
past 8 months or so.  I'm even dreaming up more projects to do on the CoCo3. 
I've not typed up or uploaded other things I've already accomplished because I
see we're not getting anywhere at all on the current items.  The Rainbow
magazine has even mentioned some of the articles (some are still too new), but
I've gotten no useful feedback whatsoever.  (I capture *every* message in the
OS9 forums on CIS and Delphi and look at my E-mail if any.)

Have we actually lost that many CoCo/OS9ers to the other wolves?  The only
other thing I can assume at this point:  Is everyone too busy with other
projects?

I'm *very* much ready to commence on the 12-bit Timer Driver/SVC for OS9, and
possibly updating the set of SMF Converters/Players to utilize it.  What I need
help with is already mentioned in the TMRDRV.TXT file I uploaded some months
ago already, so please read it before responding if you wish to help.

-- Thx, Paul Seniura.



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#: 11223 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Jun-91  13:59:31
Sb: #11162-still need help!
Fm: Tom Napolitano 70215,1130
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

-> ->Have we actually lost that many CoCo/OS9ers to the other wolves?  The
->only other thing I can assume at this point:  Is everyone too busy with
->other projects? ->
    Paul,
        No, we're still out here.  I'm currently working on a graphical
japanese kanji dictionary and study aid.  Pretty far removed from your work
with music.  Just thought I'd let you know we weren't ignoring you for personal
reasons.  Keep the faith.

     tom n





#: 11279 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    02-Jul-91  17:04:19
Sb: #11162-still need help!
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

No, despite what some editorials and people say, I don't think we've "lost that
many to the wolves" :-)   Times are just tight, and people are very busy, at
the moment.  All you have to do is to read other computer forums to find out
that this is universally true.

I was going to reply to your grfdrv article months back, but lost both it and
my answer when my ramdisk got clobbered during a thunderstorm glitch.  I'll try
again.

Grfdrv uses a max window size table (which you gave patches for), and figures
the max gfx coords on the fly.  So no, it doesn't use IT.ROW directly. The
scaling math is hardcoded to 191 tho.

Your suggestions for either extending grfdrv into the extra block in the
graphics system map, or using it to map in longer screens, are valid. What I
used it for in the end, was as a place to map in a lookup mask drawing to
covered/overlapped windows.

You've given me another idea tho.  The OSK window system has totally separate
driver internals for each gfx mode.  The CoCo window system had it all together
within the 8K grfdrv module.  Perhaps if we split up grfdrv into specialized
modules, we could add more functionality and speed without using up more
graphics map space for a larger grfdrv.

That wasn't possible back when we had to worry about 128K systems, but how many
people have those now?  :-)  best - kev

#: 11172 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  00:04:33
Sb: #11101-#zmodem for osk
Fm: BILL HEALTON 73367,357
To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452 (X)

Clyde - My name is Bill Healton, I have an Atari 520STfm. I have been running
OSK version 2.2 since mid-1988. I tried rz/sz but came up with the ever
prominent(on ST/OSK) Error #000:102; a bus error. This is apparently due to
the fact that unlike most of the other OSK systems, the ST leaves the low RAM
area available to Atari TOS calls (I/O mostly). The ST also has a hardware
generated bus error when this area is accessed in non-system mode. This
typically keeps most of the good programs from running. I would like to see
more programs work. I believe this can be accomplished by installing a bus
error handler routine if I can establish what is generating the errors.

The following is what running sz &rz with a "-?" option generates:
sz -?
Send file(s) with Zmodem/Ymodem/Xmodem Protocol
    (Y) = Option applies to YMODEM only
    (Z) = Option applies to ZMODEM only
Error 000:102

rz -?
rz 1.08 09-15-86 for Error 000:102


If you can determine what code could be generating the Error 000:102 this
would be a big help in trying to resolve this problem. I suspect any
non-variable/non-OS9 call, especially a D_xxxx direct access.

Thanks for your help...Bill Healton 73367,357


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#: 11177 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  11:32:05
Sb: #11172-zmodem for osk
Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
To: BILL HEALTON 73367,357 (X)

Bill,
        Your question got above my head quickly.  I'll pass it along to the
C-slingers that I'm working with in the Atlanta Computer Society.  We're trying
to find as high a degree as possible of compatibility between the different OSK
machines, but we're hindered until our better programmers get their MM1 kits
delivered. --Clyde

#: 11173 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  04:14:16
Sb: #11051-Multistart bug
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
To: Mike Haaland 72300,1433 (X)

After doing some tests, it seems that the bug I have is in Shell+;  Is 2.0 the
latest version?

William

#: 11175 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  08:42:21
Sb: #FD-502 wiring
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: all

I just purchased an FD-502 at the new $59 price and want to add the second
drive to it.  When I opened the case, I noticed that RS used strange power
connectors for the drives.  Does anyone know where I can get adaptors for
normal floppy power connectors?  Alternatively, I suppose I could cut off the
connectors and replace them with normal connectors.  Does anyone know how the
new connectors should be wired?  One last question:  there is a second
connector coming from the power supply in addition to the power cable for the
second drive.  Any idea what that is for?  There doesn't seem to be any
corresponding cable connected to the first drive.

Thanks in advance, David Betz

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#: 11179 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    24-Jun-91  20:03:29
Sb: #11175-#FD-502 wiring
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: David Betz 76704,47 (X)

David-
 The weird little connector is for the fan Tandy includes with /d1. Personally,
I've never used it, although I always reroute the ribbon cable so it doesn't
cover up the power suppy! I tried color to color on the weird drive power, that
didn't work on a TEAC 55B. So the old 501 pwr. supply is hacked in for now (BTW
the Kings Quest card exactly covers my TEAC as a case!) Although you can get an
adapter from CoCoPro! 1334 Byron Ave. Ypsilanti MI 48198 for $6.00. Best, Rick

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11221 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Jun-91  08:08:37
Sb: #11179-FD-502 wiring
Fm: David Betz 76704,47
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Thanks for the info!

#: 11183 S1/General Interest
    24-Jun-91  20:38:52
Sb: Hard Drive For Sale
Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430
To: ALL

If anyone is interested,I have a 40 meg Hard drive (St251-1).It comes with case
and power supply,Manual and a controller card.Its all ready to to go, All you
need to do is to hook it up.

The case and power supply or used,But the drive is only 3 weeks old. everything
works...If your interested,You either call me voice,Or you can call my bbs.

Please if your going to buy it,Send only a money order,Include $21.00 for
shipping and for insurance.

                        Phillip L Taylor Jr
                        (703)-560-7612 East Coast Time.
                        (703)-573-2246 BBS
                        2446 Shenandoah St
                        Vienna Va 22180

                        Selling For $340.00



#: 11185 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  20:58:53
Sb: #Allocation help
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for me. I'm using a singly linked list
to store strings of an unknown length. We I started I set up the following
structure:

 struct data{
   struct data *next;
   char *text;
 }

Then I'd malloc() memory for the structure and for the text storage. Of course,
the two memory requests are not necessary, so I'm now getting enough memory for
the 'next' pointer plus the text. The question is: is there an elegant way to
ensure portablility and make this a bit more readable later. For some reason,
the following leaves a great deal to be desired:

 woof=malloc(sizeof(struct foo)+strlen(buffer));
   ...check for valid p & setup links
 strcpy(woof+1,buffer);

I tried setting up a dummy pointer in the structure, but that doesn't seem to
work. The other solution is to have 'text' in the structure defined as 'char
text[1]' and then do the malloc() for sizeof(struct data)-1+strlen(buffer). One
of the problems with this is that we have to assume the order of the data in
the structure, and I don't believe that element 1 in a structure HAS to follow
element 2 (even though it does in most implementations). Guess the safest is to
do 2 malloc()s.

Any ideas?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11186 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  22:07:42
Sb: #11185-#Allocation help
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

The canonical C sleaze method is the trailing one-element array method.  C
*does* guarantee that the order of declaration corresponds to the order of
fields in memory for structures, aside from some fine print concerning bit
fields (the vagaries of byte ordering and the like don't let one say quite as
much about them as about plain old members of structures).  Strictly speaking,
the method doesn't *have* to work (an interpreted C, or some system with bounds
checking, --er, attempts--to go past the end of the array as declared), but in
practice it will work.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11187 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  22:21:02
Sb: #11186-#Allocation help
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Not just that JJ/Bob, but aren't several compilers setup so that structures
start on word or longword boundaries? That could screw this up, and two mallocs
may be the best way to do it. Don't forget, malloc() may not have to call the
system twice if it preallocated a large enough block to begin with.

Pete

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#: 11202 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    26-Jun-91  21:15:33
Sb: #11187-#Allocation help
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete/JJ, I think that the 'nicest' way to do the allocation *is* with two
malloc()s. But, even if malloc() doesn't need to call the system at all for
memory it still exacts a fairly heavy price in overhead. Each malloc() has to
keep track of the memory point and the size (I believe it uses a linked list
for this). Something like 8 bytes per call? The other un-nice thing about two
malloc()s is that two free()s are needed to get rid of the stored stuff--again,
not a big deal, but one more thing to go wrong!

BTW, I "discovered" an interesting thing about the the 68K compilier--it does
structure assignments and will pass structures by value (pushes the whole thing
onto the stack!). Don't ask just how I found this out <grin>.

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#: 11205 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    26-Jun-91  21:28:59
Sb: #11202-Allocation help
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Since you <grin>ned, I bet it was by passing a structure (sounds painful, eh?
:-) when you meant to pass its address.  If that's it, don't feel bad; I've
done it too.

#: 11189 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    24-Jun-91  22:49:57
Sb: #OSK Unzip?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Hey... does anyone have an IBM unzip for OSK?   I've been running into files
which are just way too large to unzip using the 6809 version (because of
limited disk space on my CoCo).

Much thanks - kev

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#: 11203 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    26-Jun-91  21:16:08
Sb: #11189-#OSK Unzip?
Fm: Randy Donahoo 72520,3607
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

kevin,

There is a UN*X unzip written in C with source code available.  I have not
tried to port it to OS9/68000.

randy donahoo

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#: 11208 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    27-Jun-91  00:43:19
Sb: #11203-OSK Unzip?
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Randy Donahoo 72520,3607

Thanks, Randy..  I guess I should start learning C again :-)

#: 11195 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    25-Jun-91  20:09:21
Sb: #11108-More MM/1 Questions :)
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Thanks for the questions! I'll give you a call and upload the answers here.

Best,

Paul IMS

#: 11196 S1/General Interest
    25-Jun-91  20:15:35
Sb: For Sale
Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430
To: All

Here are some Color Computer Stuff I am selling.If your interested you either
leave me message or you can call me voice.

If you want to buy something,Please send only a money order.Shipping Cost is
not included.

St251-1 (40 Meg Hard Drive).Case and power supply are used,But the Drive and
the controller card are only 3 weeks old.Ready to run. (Add $21.00 for
Shipping)========================>$320.00 Radio Shack
Cm8-monitor==========================>$ 60.00 Color Computer two with
64k======================>$ 50.00 Pbbs Os9 Level 2 Bulletin Board (Req 512k
Mem)===>$ 40.00 File System Repack (Docs and 1 Disk)=============>$ 25.00 Disk
Anti Pirate (Coco 2)Coco 2)=================>$ 15.00 Multi View (Os9 Level 2)
Coco3ual)===============>$ 20.00 King Quest 3 (Coco 3)
===========================>$ 19.00 Deskmate (Coco 3 Comes with Disk and
Manual)=====>$ 19.00 Colorama (Cooco 2) Comes with 1 Disk And Manual==>$  9.00
Warrior King Coco 3,Comes with 1 Disk And Manual=>$  19.00 Sub Battle (Coco
3),Comes with 1 Disk and Manual=>$  15.00 Flight Simulator (Coco
3),=========(Used)========>$  12.00 Quickpro II Automatic Progrtam Coco
2============>$  10.00 Os9 Level 2 Comes with 2 disk and Manual=========>$ 
15.00 Cash Budget Management Disk======================>$  10.00 Color Profile
(Coco 2).Disk===================== >$  15.00 Disk Edtasm (Coco 2) Disk and
Manual=============>$  15.00 Flight Simulator II Coco 3,(Never
used)==========>$  20.00

Cont to Next Message

help

#: 11200 S1/General Interest
    26-Jun-91  18:03:28
Sb: Hard Drive For Sale
Fm: PHILLIP TAYLOR 72067,3430
To: All

Here are some Coco Stuff for sale.If you see something you like,Please leave me
a message,Or you may call me voice.

St251-1 Seagate 40 meg.Case and and power supply are used,But the drive and
controller card are only 3 weeks
old.===========================================>$340.00

                    Phillip Taylor
                    Voice (703)-560-7612
                    BBS   (703)-573-2246
                    2446 Shenandoah St
                    Vienna,Va 22180

                    Ps Checks will be held
                       for 7 days,If you use
                       a money order,It will
                       be sent to you within
                       three days.

#: 11201 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    26-Jun-91  21:13:21
Sb: #11075-Want Graphics
Fm: Randy Donahoo 72520,3607
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)

Robert,

Vigra has a board for the VMEbus actually two boards of which one might meet
your needs.  The MMI-100B with 1024x1020 pixels and 256 colors uses a video
memory controller with palette.  This board also has a Motorola 56001 DSP for
audio capabilities.  The multi-media interface card.  It also has 2 AT type (9
pin DIN) serial ports and a PC keyboard.  Microphone input for recording
sounds.  They have a MMI-150 same as above without audio support. oops three
boards and a MMI-250 with VME and VSB interface.  Programmable resolution to
1280x1024 with 1,2,4, or 8 bits per pixel.  2 Mbyte of multi-ported video RAM
and 2 rs-232c ports, AT keyboard port and programmable sound generator.
MMI-250-2 2 meg MMI-250-4 4 Meg memory.  MMI-100B 1Mbyte memory

Vigra, Inc 4901 Morena Blvd. Bldg. 502 San Diego, CA 92117 (619) 483-1197

I have a MMI-100B that we use at work here in Stillwater, OK...I do not work
for Vigra.....

Randy Donahoo

#: 11209 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    27-Jun-91  07:45:26
Sb: IMS status
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: All

Mark Griffith responds to several comments regarding IMS status ...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
To All Those Waiting for an MM/1:

I understand how frustrating it can be waiting for a machine that you have
paid for so long ago.  I also realize how easy it is to let thoughts of
misdeed creep into your mind while thinking of your hard earned cash being
someplace else and not seeing anything for it.

Let me assure you that IMS is not intentionally withholding any machines from
anyone, nor are they shipping machines to new customers forcing older
customers to wait.  The process is slow.  Everyone involved has a steady
full-time job other than IMS and can only process orders evening and on the
weekends. Also, as Kevin pointed out, it is slow copying disk and putting
everything together by hand.

Also, there are the ever present problems with manufacturing the boards.
What do you do when the manufacturer makes a mistake and the first batch
of boards don't work?  You have to fix them all by hand which takes even
more time and pushes everything back.  What is something else happens on the
second batch?  Everyone is trying hard to get the machine out the door, but
there are always delays that cause expected shipping days to pass by with
out reaching the goals that were set.

Compound all this with the perchived absence of Paul Ward from the public eye
and people start crying "foul".  Paul is spendin ALL his spare time trying
to get the thousand and one things done that need to be taken care of each
day to keep this all running.  Add to that the need to promote the machine
and talk to financial backers, give demos, etc., he just doesn't have time to
appear here or on other forums.

So, give IMS a break.  They are working hard at it, and implying something
is rotten in Denmark just isn't being fair.

Mark


Usenet          ....!uflorida!ki4pv!macs!stetson!rewop!sysop
UUCP direct     (904) 736-1849 rewop!sysop
Internet        griffith@stetson.bitnet
US Snail        953 W. Wisconsin Ave.  DeLand FL 32720
Phone           (904) 736-1535

#: 11224 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Jun-91  15:34:49
Sb: #11077-Dir
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

The MM/1 comes with an exclusively licensed LS command that lets you find out,
among other things, the decimal file size. This LS also allows you to find
total byte usage in a directory, complete pathnames, and UNIX style markings --
/ for directories, * for executables.

Paul

#: 11225 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    28-Jun-91  15:36:07
Sb: #11085-Dir
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

I've used Sdir on the Coco 3 -- works great. In fact, there is also an alias
command for OS-9/6809 -- I used that so that, every time I typed Dir, Sdir was
called.

With certain options on it, too. (Otherwise, you could just rename the file.)

Paul

#: 11226 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    28-Jun-91  15:41:43
Sb: #11079-Me and my MM/1! :)
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith, and others curious about the I/O board -update, Western Digital is shipping a defective host adapter mask. We have
found nondefective chips and are checking them out. I/O boards were received
this week at IMS. Give us some time to make sure all is well with these new
chips.

Incidentally, preliminary tests with our new hard disk drivers put throughput
at up to 1.8 Mbytes per second. That's screaming fast.

Paul IMS

#: 11229 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    28-Jun-91  15:47:03
Sb: #11104-Questions about the MM/1
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Ed,

Thanks for the informative response to Keith's question.

Best regards,

Pau

IMS

#: 11230 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    28-Jun-91  15:47:37
Sb: #11097-dEd 68000
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)

Pete,

There is a ded for OSK. Keith is getting it.

Paul

IMS

#: 11232 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    28-Jun-91  15:58:15
Sb: #11113-Help with the MM/1
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith,

Nothing was buggy at all, Keith! We left off one file and we are updating two
files. Also, we are now including some public domain fonts!

Did you have the impression that something was buggy on the disks? If so,

how did you get htat impression? Thanks!

Mark's CServe ID is 76247,1332.

He gets on about once every two weeks.

Paul

IMS

202 232 4246



#: 11250 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    29-Jun-91  08:41:21
Sb: #11113-Help with the MM/1
Fm: Mark B. Sheffield 76247,1332
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith -

Your kit installation instructions should be there by now.

Some files were missing from the original MM/1 distribution disk set. The new
set now has those files.

-mark



#: 11245 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  17:27:52
Sb: #MM/1 up and running
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: all

Well, after a few startup problems (all mine, by the way, the kit went together
flawlessly) I now have a working MM/1. Lots to learn, now that I can really get
my hands on OSK. From what Paul Ward has said (msg 11226) we should be getting
I/O boards soon, then I can really get going, since I can hook up a hard disk.
I picked up a CM-8 for $134 at a local Radio Shack today, so that will be my
MM/1 monitor for now.

Bill

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#: 11247 S15/Hot Topics
    28-Jun-91  19:25:07
Sb: #11245-#MM/1 up and running
Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

(applause) Should have mine soon - Paul said shipping today or Monday.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11266 S15/Hot Topics
    01-Jul-91  14:48:18
Sb: #11247-MM/1 up and running
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)

John,

We are copying floppies today for those shipments. Some new stuff on those
disks,too! Further word will be announced here.

Best,

Paul IMS

#: 11265 S15/Hot Topics
    01-Jul-91  14:47:33
Sb: #11245-#MM/1 up and running
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

We are now beta testing a hard disk driver that is a screamer. The driver that
you have on your distribution disks is quite nice -- but THIS ONE ... screech,
ROAR!!!

Takes off like a bat out of he**. Quantum Pro logs in at 1.8 Megabytes/sec.

Paul IMS

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#: 11270 S15/Hot Topics
    01-Jul-91  17:47:37
Sb: #11265-#MM/1 up and running
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

Paul,

That's fast! I'm online now with the MM/1 and Sterm. What is out there in the
terminal program market that I could use for VT52 or VT100 emulation? I need to
dial in to the mainframe at work (they're buying me a 9600 baud modem) but I
need something like VT100 to pull it off. I wrote my own terminal program for
my CoCo, but really don't want to do that again!

Bill

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11275 S15/Hot Topics
    02-Jul-91  10:50:21
Sb: #11270-MM/1 up and running
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)

Bill,

You should ask Kevin Darling about VT52 or VT100 emulation stuff. I know he's
been trying to get some compatibility, based on his own instincts about What Is
Good To Do, and based on pressure he's getting from NC State.

Best

Paul

IMS

#: 11249 S1/General Interest
    29-Jun-91  00:34:42
Sb: #B&B Interface
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
To: all

 Has anyone heard from Chris Burke? I've been trying to get in touch with him
for a month now for some assistance with his XTRTC.

There are 2 Replies.

#: 11254 S1/General Interest
    30-Jun-91  08:58:40
Sb: #11249-B&B Interface
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)

Don,

According to forum records, Chris last checked in
 June 16, 1991 at 15:50. His ID is [72240,304]. You might try leaving MAIL or a
message here is his box is full.

Steve

#: 11269 S1/General Interest
    01-Jul-91  17:11:40
Sb: #11249-B&B Interface
Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)

Don,

You're best bet is to just call Chris.  I had absolutely no trouble
getting in touch wuth him by phone about a month ago.  The
regular # is 206-432-1814.  I don't have the 800 # handy.  
Actually, he called *me* back after I left a message.

--
==================================================================
Hugo Bueno  | Delphi: MRGOOD      Compuserve: 71211,3662
Fanwood, NJ |   UUCP: ...!(rutgers,njin)!fdurt1!kc2wz!bluehaus!hugo
            |         ...!hugo@bluehaus.uucp
CoCo 3 UUCP |         ...!uunet!bluehaus.uucp!hugo
==================================================================

#: 11255 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Jun-91  13:07:27
Sb: CoCo 3 w/ST157N SCSI HD.
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: All

Hello I need help on getting a ST157N SCSI HD to work with the DISTO HD-II
board . What do I need to change in the program called "FMTSGATN" on the RS-DOS
side of the DISTO HARD DISK DRIVER{ disk

Please HELP!

Keith

#: 11256 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    30-Jun-91  13:37:04
Sb: gshell patch
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: all

 I downed the GSHELL.AR file for Multi-Vue, but can't seem to make it work.
Always get 'data mismatch @ $0002 - is $FF, should be $3F'. Size of gshell is
$3FEB, edition is 1. What am I doing wrong? or do I need to do something with
gshell.ipc before using in IPatch? BTW, I'd like to thank everyone here who has
responded so far. Made more improvements in two months than the previous year.
SUCH A DEAL!
  Thanx - Rick

#: 11257 S7/Telecommunications
    30-Jun-91  14:53:35
Sb: OSTerm v2.0.8 patch
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: All

  I've figured out where OSTerm v2.0.8 "cheats" and have changed it to call
some routines I've tacked onto the end.  These routines depend on a driver that
supports the enhanced SS.ComSt call (which returns 6551 style DSR+DCD status
info in the [B] register), such as DACIA/SACIA and most of the RiBBS supporting
drivers.  This allows the auto-dialer and some other functions to work fully,
no matter what serial hardware is used.
  I have put together an ARChive containing the IPatch file and brief
instructions, and uploaded it here.  Look for "O208IP.ARC" in the telcom (7)
data library.  DeArc is required to extract the files from the ARChive, and Bob
Santy's IPatch utility (from "PATCH.AR") is also required.
  Bruce



#: 11258 S1/General Interest
    01-Jul-91  00:24:08
Sb: #11094-#Apple Mac
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Keith Jacobs 72331,712

My new catalog from Frank Hogg Laboratories says they have os9 for the mac
Which runs concurrently with mac operating system, combining for the best
 of both worlds. I think it was about the same price as a os9 computer with
software around $1000.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11267 S1/General Interest
    01-Jul-91  14:50:44
Sb: #11258-#Apple Mac
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X)

Bruce,

Good to hear from ya', buddy! How are things in the printing biz?

Best,

Paul IMS

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11286 S1/General Interest
    04-Jul-91  09:59:01
Sb: #11267-#Apple Mac
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

The printing biz which has been rough with many big shops closing their doors
does seem to be improving. I hope the rexession is over.  Still using os9
 level 2 on my coco and basic09 software to do estimating, history of jobs,
 paper orders, customer database, and a few other things.  I want to buy
 a new osk machine, learn C and connect my coco as a graphics terminal
 along with 2 or 3 other terminals in the shop.  What about extra rs232
 ports on the mm/1 I know you have 5 but I will likley need more? I hope
 to convert some of my printing programs to run under osk and make them
available.

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#: 11289 S1/General Interest
    04-Jul-91  17:04:37
Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac
Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X)

What about a 'simple' step upwards??  Get a Tomcat9 instead of going into the
6800 series completely.

The TC9 is 6809 based, so you can use ALL of your current B09 and OS9 software,
plus, if you get the Tiger Card, you can run background animation from the
Tiger, while the TC9 runs another program.

(That's an EXAMPLE, the possibilities with the Tiger Card are limitless).

The TC9 (which I have ordered), will cost literally hundreds less than the
MM/1; run ALL of my current software at 2+ times the speed; plus with the
Tiger, opens up new programming possibilities.

While I do respect the possibilities of the 68000 based computers, the TC9
seems to me to be a more logical choice.  (It's a 'minor' step upwards, yet
could be a huge leap, too!)


As to C programming, that is the wave of the near future for computers. I
signed up for 3 courses in a local University on the language, as C (for the
next 10 or so years) WILL become the language of choice. It is able to be
ported to other systems, can manipulate bytes, data, strings, arrays, unlike
B09.  (I'd be a fool to say it's 'user-friendly'..., but in it's simplicity,
the power is overwhelming, compared to B09)

Good luck on your projects....also, please consider the TC9....might just be
what the doctor ordered....

Jim Sutemeier



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#: 11290 S1/General Interest
    04-Jul-91  18:17:21
Sb: #11289-#Apple Mac
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X)

I'd be very interested in hearing the basis on which the claim of a 2* speedup
between the CoCo 3 (presumably running at about 1.8 MHz, as it does under OS-9)
and the TC9 is made.  Is that overall, or for I/O bound or CPU bound programs,
or what?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11296 S1/General Interest
    05-Jul-91  10:54:07
Sb: #11290-#Apple Mac
Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Welp, Frank explained it to me...about 6 weeks ago....and (darnit) I've crammed
my 'lil ole brain with so much stuff about the TC9, TC70 and MM/1, I can't
respond properly to you right now.

Tell you what, as soon as I get my TC9, I'll post a message (or three - grin)
up here, and will report if I see any significant speedups in programs.

As I do run a BBS, and am quite familiar with loading times, etc., of my
software, if there is a noticable change, I'll spot it quickly.

Jim Sutemeier SysOp <Plain Rap> BBS 818:772-8890

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11299 S1/General Interest
    05-Jul-91  19:56:35
Sb: #11296-Apple Mac
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754 (X)

Thanks!  Will look forward to hearing from you.

#: 11298 S1/General Interest
    05-Jul-91  19:53:48
Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X)

Ahhh a printer!


How large is your shop? Offset? Flexo? Letterpress? Web?

What type of software are you running for your applications? 4GL or something
from scratch.

Steve

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11302 S1/General Interest
    05-Jul-91  23:48:13
Sb: #11298-#Apple Mac
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)








small commercial offset printer. Just duplicator size presses.  We run some
basic09 software that I wrote and continue to improve upon.  Originally
 we only did estimating then came printing job jackets, invoices, paper orders
, customer mailist, ink orders, production schedule, production data, job data,
I thing thats about it now
 I can not operate so efficiently without my coco3 .... I have 3 in caseof
failure!
 I hope to learn c, and port my software over to osk then I may try to market
 the package as a value added guy.  I am running out of process memory for
 some of the things I want to do and so osk instead of tc9.



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#: 11303 S1/General Interest
    06-Jul-91  09:48:37
Sb: #11302-#Apple Mac
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X)

Sounds great, Bruce!

I've ink in my blood from way back having managed a couple of the larger school
district's In-Plants as well as a larger Direct Mail company's press room.

It looks like your decision to move to OSK is sound. Your apps should move
easily while you master C.

Might want to discuss your marketing ideas with Paul Ward or Ed Gresick. Both
are always looking for new packages.

Steve

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#: 11330 S1/General Interest
    10-Jul-91  22:04:16
Sb: #11303-Apple Mac
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

 I have mentioned it to Paul Ward and he has some interest, however I cannot
 guarantee that I will reach a point that I can adequatly document or support
another printers use of it.  Also all my printing friends I have approached
 to test my system are not willing to buy the hardware.  I could not run
 my shop without it and we are more efficient, give our customers faster
 and more accurate info, and make fewer mistakes than with manual systems.
 Yet I cannot be sure another shop will be able to use it as well as I can.
 Should I find someone to beta test I will have something going in the
marketing

direction



#: 11335 S1/General Interest
    10-Jul-91  23:41:09
Sb: #11303-#Apple Mac
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Hey, you're into printing! We should talk. I have a project for you, if you
want to splurge on an MM/1.

Compugraphic support, PCL5 libraries ....

(drool)

Paul ims

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#: 11342 S1/General Interest
    11-Jul-91  07:48:10
Sb: #11335-#Apple Mac
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

 >if you want to splurge on an MM/1

Hmmmm .... make me a deal big guy! I could be convinced.  ;-)

By the way, I've been yammering the benefits of the MM/1 to Barry Bond,
recently. A lightning storm cooked his 68000 system recently. Last word from
Frank Hogg (he purchased it years ago from him) was the damage was too
extensive to repair, so he finds himself in the market.

Might want to give him a call at 407 382-2816 and discuss his options. I'd bet
he'd get a kick out of a call from the head guy at IMS!

Steve

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#: 11357 S1/General Interest
    12-Jul-91  23:29:24
Sb: #11342-Apple Mac
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Thanks for the tip about Barry, Steve! Sorry to hear about the storm.

Best,

paul

IMS

#: 11332 S1/General Interest
    10-Jul-91  23:33:22
Sb: #11286-#Apple Mac
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143 (X)

If you need more that 5 serial ports, give me a call at 202 232 4246 and we can
work out an architecture that makes sense for you. I can't wait to see your
setup!

In fact, we should do an appointment soon.

Pal Paul IMS

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11421 S1/General Interest
    21-Jul-91  16:14:14
Sb: #11332-Apple Mac
Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004

Does that mean you cannot connect 5 terminals to the 5 serial ports?  As far as
an appointment, you are welcome to come to my Shop and see what we do with os9.
Also I would be interested to know of any public showings in the northern VA or
dc areas.

#: 11259 S1/General Interest
    01-Jul-91  02:05:39
Sb: #Happy Birthday!
Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,

According to my handy-dandy computerized calendar, today is your 83rd... make
that, your 38th birthday. Soooo, Happy Birthday, Kevin!

Wendell

There is 1 Reply.

#: 11271 S1/General Interest
    02-Jul-91  02:38:09
Sb: #11259-Happy Birthday!
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)

Ha!  Thanks!  Yep, your computer was correct.  Funny thing is, I spent almost
the entire year thinking that I was already 38, for some reason. I feel like I
got another year for free, now <grin>.   Thanks again - kev

#: 11260 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jul-91  05:38:07
Sb: #xmode /t2
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: sysop (X)

I have a 512 (brand new!) upgrade for my coco, a Slot Pack III,
 and a COCOPRO! RS232 Pak. My modem is a U.S. Robotics 1200 baud Hayes
compatible. It all works fine with Mikeyterm. I recently DOWed BBTERM.AR and it
won't go! I'm thinking that the XMODE parameters aren't set right (baud=?,
type=?) for /t2. I'm booting from the Level II system master. I experimented
with XMODE (baud, type) from the book, but couldn't get it. HELP!!!
                                                 Bruce




There is 1 Reply.

#: 11261 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    01-Jul-91  07:52:32
Sb: #11260-#xmode /t2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137 (X)

Bruce,

If you could dump the output of an xmode /t2 here so we can look at it, a few
suggestions might pop up.

Steve

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#: 11326 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  01:20:40
Sb: #11261-#xmode /t2
Fm: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,
  Here is the standard dump. I used the book and changed baud to 22 (I think) I
was going for 7bits, even par. I also tried something with type= (I don't
remember what) but nothing seemed to work. Here it is:
 -upc bsb bsl echo lf null=0 pause pag=24 bsp=08 del=18 eor=0D eof=1B
reprint=04 dup=01 psc=17 abort=03 quit=05 bse=08 bell=07 type=00 baud=06 xon=11
xoff=13
 If you have any suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated.
                                                              Bruce

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#: 11343 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  07:54:28
Sb: #11326-xmode /t2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: BRUCE BAKER 73747,3137

Bruce,

The dump looks fairly standard with the xception of the baud rate. You might
try coming up in 8bit mode,  (baud=4) and type = to 0 and see what happens.
With it set to 6, you're set to 9600 baud when you execute. Make the changes
before you run the term program.

Steve

#: 11272 S1/General Interest
    02-Jul-91  06:51:40
Sb: #device w/in a dr
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: All




Hello:

A friend l


Hen ATend of mine ask me to post this question:

 as1kn you open a device within a device driver, for ex:

ith iy I have KEYBOARD.DR and K1.DD, can I use F$OPEN to open
   ACIAPAK.DR and T2.DD (Open T2 within KEYBOARD)

2.DDK (Ope.

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#: 11273 S1/General Interest
    02-Jul-91  07:07:33
Sb: #11272-device w/in a dr
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith,

Your messages is all garbled (type RP after this one to see what I mean). Could
you repost? Be sure to thump the <ENTER> key every 80 characters or so.

Steve

#: 11278 S1/General Interest
    02-Jul-91  14:22:32
Sb: #11272-device w/in a dr
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Keith - if I read your message right, then the answer is yes... you can open a
path to another device from within a device driver.

However, don't do so within the driver's INIT routine, because the device table
is incomplete at the time, and can get screwed up on many versions of os9/osk.

I assume this is for a BBS thingie?  - kev

#: 11280 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    03-Jul-91  10:13:25
Sb: Submarine uses OS-9
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: all

Thought y'all be interested in this:

It seems that MIT's Sea Grant Program, in the Autonomous Underwater Vehicles
Lab, uses OS-9 on a robot sub.  The MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab wrote the
main software.  Grad students get to work on it.

So now you know where to go to college :-)

More information on this later.

#: 11281 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jul-91  19:06:29
Sb: #multistart and path
Fm: KENHEIST 71750,551
To: all

I've been using the new CC3GO that reads a file /dd/sys/shell.parameters on
boot-up. This allows me to set path= when the startup shell dies. i.e.
path=/dd/cmds/apps /dd/cmds/utils /dd/cmds/rs.
 The problem shows up when I run mutliview. The shell it creates doesn't
respect PATH LIST of the parent shell and even if I open a window using the
gshell s-key and do a path= it doesn't help.
 The $20,000 question it can it be done, how and who's got e beef.

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#: 11333 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  23:36:59
Sb: #11281-multistart and path
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: KENHEIST 71750,551 (X)

Hi, Ken!

Hope you are well. Mary Kay and I think of you often, wondering how you are
getting  along.  TTFN, and stay in touch.

Best,

Paul IMS

#: 11282 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jul-91  19:41:04
Sb: #gshell patch
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: all

 One last plea for help. The Gshell+ patch still won't go. Is $3F @ $0002
right? Mine shows $FF, so Ipatch won't run. I tried the stocker and one that
has the MacPatch,neither work. Now, not only does the new 502 have the
head-banger bug, but so do I.
  Wistfully - Rick

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#: 11283 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jul-91  22:07:55
Sb: #11282-#gshell patch
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick - since the length of the module is at offset 2,3... then $FF is
definitely not right (that would be a length of $FFxx, which is huge). Change
it back to $3F.  (or whatever dir e shows it to be)

Don't bang your head too long :-)

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#: 11291 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jul-91  20:59:26
Sb: #11283-gshell patch
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin - Thanks for the info. Wonder how that happened with good CRC? Guess I
 should have realized offset 2 would be in the header, and looked itup, but
 my head (and heads! :-) are a little overheated from all these patches! Off
 to patch for the patch so I can use the other patch! Thanks again - Rick

#: 11284 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    03-Jul-91  22:29:16
Sb: #DISTO+ADAPTEC+TANDON!?!?
Fm: Sandy Tipper 72060,76
To: all

I just bought an ADAPTEC 4000A controller for my DISTO 4-in-1 board to run my
two TANDON 503 drives (SCSI controller for 15Meg MFM drives... it is supposed
to work), but I cannot get the low-level format to work (DECB  --
"FMTADPC/BAS", modified for #cylinders/heads). It won't pass the initial drive
select -- with any number for the drive number (0,1, or 2).  Anybody else ever
use this combo, or something similar?  The drives worked FINE under my old
XEBEC controller I got from Owlware (which doesn't work very well with the
DISTO interface). HELP!!  How should the jumpers on the ADAPTEC board be set
(got it from a surplus place, no docs, and ADAPTEC won't support retail
customers)?

Sandy

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#: 11288 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    04-Jul-91  16:53:57
Sb: #11284-DISTO+ADAPTEC+TANDON!?!?
Fm: Jim Sutemeier 70673,1754
To: Sandy Tipper 72060,76 (X)

Didn't know you could use MFM drives with a SCSI controller.....

#: 11305 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    06-Jul-91  18:54:42
Sb: #Tape drive(r) problems
Fm: Robert Heller 71450,3432
To: anyone

I recently upgraded to OS-9/68K V2.4 on my Force CPU-30 and now have
some time to fuss with the tape drive (after backing up 25Meg to 40
floppies).  With this version of the SCSI drivers, my "oddball"
(Archive Scorpion (5945C) + Adaptec ACB3530 SCSI <=> QIC-36
controller), seems to work.  Sort of.  Using the Viper driver (meant
for Archive's QIC-150 SCSI drive) it reads QIC-24 tapes fine.  What it
writes is another matter.  I did a fsave and then tried a frestore -v
and got a message that the ident block was bad.  I then tried using a
PD tar program, but when I tried to read it, got a tar header checksum
error and my home-grown tar clone on my other machine (Stride 440 -
same type of drive, with Archives QIC-02 <=> QIC-36 controller board)
also had trouble reading the tape (various errors).

What I'd like to know:  do I need to write a completly new driver for
this combination or is there some minor thing I need to change with
one of the existing drivers to make this work?  Or is there something
wrong with the drive or controller board?  No driver errors are
reported in any case.

I would like to be able to use the tape for backups - using floppies
is a pain...

             Robert

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#: 11314 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    08-Jul-91  09:11:39
Sb: #11305-Tape drive(r) problems
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X)

Robert,
 Since you just bought your upgrade, you should have some free tech support
coming from Microware (I believe 90 days). I know they support the Viper
drives, but do not know about others. You may have to write your own driver.
The driver for the Viper is sbviper. Good luck.

 Mark

#: 11306 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    06-Jul-91  23:44:21
Sb: #A Parson to Person Call
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: All

Dear Friends:


I have been working on converting Mike Sweet's CGFX library from C to BASIC09.
I almost have the dialog boxes routine converted. I have figured out how to do
radio buttons, and am now working on clickable buttons,etc. Still some bugs
though. I will be uploading what I have developed in about 2 to 3 weeks.

I would like to offer a suggestion. Often people develop little sub -routines
such as these while working on larger programs. For various reasons, they
choose not to make the source code of the entire finished program available.
While I have no problem with this, since most ask for a small donation and then
will offer the code to registered users, I would like all to consider being
willing to share these subroutines, or "snippetts" of code. Perhaps a sort of
Programmers Den or Tool Box Area.

I think that with the RS version of the COCO discontinued, and this time of
transition to the new machines, we need every one to support our little COCO's.
and share code, etc. I originally bought mine to interface with a Model
Railroad, as per a series by Bruce Chubb in Model RailRoader magazine (Feb
'84-Aug '86), later reprinted as Build your Own Universal Computer Interface,
by Tab Books.

Next one of my altar boys gave me a copy of Rainbow. Before long, diskdrives,
monitors, printers, etc entered my life. I bought a word processor program. And
after trying several settled on MAX-10. I recented noticed that Rainbow had a
COCOPRO add for a new OS9 WP. Has anyone tried it. It is called Newspaper-09.I
will be ordering one soon. I can already think of several enhancements that I
would like to see in it. (See MVWORD)

With all best wishes, Jeremy, CSJW.



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#: 11339 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  23:46:13
Sb: #11306-#A Parson to Person Call
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

jeremy,

How are you, Brother? It was nice to meet you at the Fest.

I would be greatly interested in seeing the Basic09 code for Sweet's  GFX
library.

It would be great to convert it to the MM/1, and allow all those Basic
programmers ont he MM/1 create stuff for the CoCo3.

Best,

Paul IMS

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#: 11347 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  20:50:09
Sb: #11339-#A Parson to Person Call
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

It was a pleasure meeting you too, Paul. I should have the code up in a few
weeks. I have undertaken a new ministry, working with developmentally disabled
adults, and I do find that I return to the monastery a little too tired to
spend as much time programming,
 but it should be soon, WIth all best wishes, Br. Jeremy, CSJW.

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#: 11358 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jul-91  23:33:16
Sb: #11347-#A Parson to Person Call
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)

Jeremy,

I think on the rising incidence of rape, of fascist conservatism in the US, of
intolerance, and I wonder if many of the adults we see who appear to be healthy
are not in fact in need of ministering. We are all a little developmentally
disabled, and it is often only through extensive self-deception that we make it
through life with ego intact.

On the other hand, facing one's weaknesses, meeting the challenge, and growing,
make you strong. Only by admitting incompleteness can one hope to be more
complete.

Also, avoid wise advice such as this. The wise don't need it -- the fools won't
heed it!

Grin.

Best,

paul ims



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#: 11391 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Jul-91  16:37:08
Sb: #11358-A Parson to Person Call
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)

It is often a thin line, often not we or them but all of us... --Jeremy.

#: 11307 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jul-91  00:27:24
Sb: ##11306 subroutines
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To:  76477,142 (X)

 To Brother Jeremy and ALL-  An excellent idea! Think I'll go cruise the
floppies for suitable material. Mebbe we can form and area, or at least a LIB
ext. for routines like this. The CoCo is dead, long live the CoCo!
 - Rick

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#: 11317 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jul-91  22:03:59
Sb: #11307-#11306 subroutines
Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Great. I'll have some code to upload soon. I think that this Sub-routine
library could really be a good thing. Jason Bucata posted a forum message and
some files on what is known as copylefting over on Delphi. I will try to upload
it when I get the chance. Basically it is a plea for material to be released
uder copyright simply so that no one can claim exclusive rights to it. There is
talk of working out a deal for OS9 Level Two with Microware. Imagine full
source code available. Then the patches could be posted because the code was no
longer a "trade secret." I will try, as I said to post it in the next few days.
Jason explains this much better than I am doing so here. I hope that this
Programmers Library will get good response. With all best wishes. Br. Jeremy,
CSJW.

#: 11308 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jul-91  00:40:23
Sb: ##11282-gshell patch
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Kevin Darling

 Kevin - This is what I found out about the ipatch problem: The 'incorrect data
byte @' had nothing to do with the module in question. IPatch apparently gives
this error when 'oldfile' and 'newfile' have the same name! Don't know why, but
the few .ipc files I've got all do the same thing, some weird value @ offset 2.
Simple, but difficult. - Rick

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#: 11309 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jul-91  01:35:50
Sb: #11308-##11282-gshell patch
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick - good find!  That info should help out others, no doubt about it.

So it works now?  thx! - kev

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#: 11312 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jul-91  20:18:07
Sb: #11309-#11282-gshell patch
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)


 Kevin - Works great! Even threw in the MacFonts so I can aggravate(sic) my
co-worker. He still thinks a GUI with windows costs $10,000. - Rick

#: 11310 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    07-Jul-91  08:32:23
Sb: #STERM & OSK
Fm: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714
To: All


      Maybe it was already discussed, but again, to what must be set the MODEM
port for  the last STERM upload for the OS9/68000?

  Thanks



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#: 11311 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    07-Jul-91  18:29:55
Sb: #11310-#STERM & OSK
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714 (X)

Denis,

I may have mis-understood your question, but proper syntax for the newest
version of Sterm is:

Sterm -f -l /t2

where the -f option is the 'non-floppy' mode to allow B+ protocol, and the -l
option is used to indicate which serial port to use.

Sterm -?  will net a nice list of new options supported.

Steve



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#: 11371 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jul-91  08:04:45
Sb: #11311-#STERM & OSK
Fm: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)


    OK, now it works with "sterm -l /t1" command line.

    Before, when I used to type only "sterm /t1", the program exit almost rigth
away and said: No MODEM port defined!

   I'm using Atari ST with OSK v2.3

   Thanks.



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#: 11381 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    15-Jul-91  07:30:10
Sb: #11371-STERM & OSK
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714 (X)

Glad things are working for you. The -l option threw me for a loop as well.

Steve

#: 11399 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    17-Jul-91  06:09:57
Sb: #11371-STERM & OSK
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: DENIS CHARTRAND 72561,2714 (X)

Hi,

If you read the docs, you'll notice you can define a modem port as an
environment variable and then you don't have to use the -l option to start
Sterm.  This applies for OSK only.  Put this in your startup file:

    setenv MODEM /t2 (or whatever port you want)

Mark

#: 11313 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    07-Jul-91  20:36:52
Sb: #Smartwatch
Fm: Ken St.Clair 71615,267
To: all

Can anyone tell me what I have to do to install a Tandy Smartwatch in my FD-502
disk controller (if it can be done)?  Thanks

                    Ken

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#: 11349 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  23:55:30
Sb: #11313-#Smartwatch
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 (X)

     This isn't hard. You unplug the Rom chip inside the disk controller and
then remove its socket. You then solder the smartwatch in its place, plug the
Rom into this, and solder a small jumper wire. If you can solder small IC pins
to printed boards reliably, you can do this.
     Don't make the mistake I made: I soldered the smartwatch in place of the
disk controller chip. It goes under the ROM chip.
                               Paul

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#: 11362 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jul-91  12:04:05
Sb: #11349-#Smartwatch
Fm: Ken St.Clair 71615,267
To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)

     Thanks Paul, that sounds easy enough.  Where does the small jumper wire
go?  I think I can handle the rest.  Thanks again
                                Ken

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#: 11372 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jul-91  11:10:51
Sb: #11362-Smartwatch
Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
To: Ken St.Clair 71615,267 (X)

      The wire goes from the board to one of the chip pins. It's easy and comes
with instructions.
                             Paul

#: 11315 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jul-91  20:22:10
Sb: #Window switching
Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
To: All

Is there any way to open a window and switch to it within a shell script (CoCo
OS9)? Opening them is no problem, but I always seem to end up in the parent
window. I have used the "type" program, which does open and switch, but if I
use type in a shell script then follow it with a command line, the command line
takes effect in the original window. Suggestions? Basically, I would like to
open a type 2 window, change to /r0 in that window, and run sterm with
parameters, all from a shell script.

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#: 11320 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  02:21:58
Sb: #11315-Window switching
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)

Ian, yep you sure can.  Hope this does what you need:

  * script to create and select type 2 sterm window
  *
  (display 1b20 2 0 0 50 18 1 0 2 1b21 </2; sterm <>>/1&) >/w

Here's how that works.  The "(....)>/w"  starts a subshell with its standard
output pointing to a new window descriptor (and remember, scripts all begin
with the script file itself as the standard input!).  Stderr is still the
current window, tho.

The subshell then runs "display ...", which dwsets to stdout (the new window)
and then selects to stdout (the new window) using the extra "</2" to make sure
that the Select immediately works (stdin has to be the current window) from the
script.

Finally, Sterm is begun with its stdin/err redirected to whatever is stdout
using "<>>/1", which is also the new window.  All this must take place within
the same subshell () because we're doing this all to one main path.

Work it through... it's kind of fun to figure it out <grin>.  - kev

#: 11316 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jul-91  20:27:36
Sb: #STERM 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks for sending the disk, now I have a new problem. I tried loading STERM
1.2 in memory and then typed STERM /M1. What I got was current baud = 300 and
couldn't get anything else. I could not get a connect with CIS and couldn't
even return to the shell without re-booting. Also all the commands are listed
as esc + some character. I don't have an esc key. What should I use for esc.


Thanks for the help.


TOM

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#: 11319 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jul-91  23:31:14
Sb: #11316-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

It took me a while to get this, but here is how you do those sterm commands.
Press and hold CTRL, and while holding it, press BREAK.  This generates your
ESCape for sterm.  Now release both keys.  Press the letter of the command. The
ESCape is "sticky", which means you don't have to press all three keys at the
same time.  Do this for ESC-Q and you should return to the shell OK. Since I
didn't see anything you posted earlier I can't diagnose exactly what's wrong. 
It seems you do it the same way I do when I use sterm.

Now if I can just get sterm to work with my Hayes-compatible modem....

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#: 11322 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  20:20:46
Sb: #11319-STERM 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Thanks for the info.

I'll try it and let you know how I make out. Sorry but I can't offer any advice
on the Hayes modem, I'm using a modem pak on a coco.

Thanks again.

TOM

#: 11327 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  04:49:30
Sb: #11319-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

What sort of problems are you having with Sterm?  You say it won't work with
your modem.  What doesn't work?  Sterm itself knows nothing about and doesn't
care about modems.  All it does is open the port.  If something is not working
it is probably your serial port and/or driver.  If you can give some details
maybe we can help. Mark

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#: 11328 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  17:28:25
Sb: #11327-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)

I had an unsuccessful thread on my sterm problems a while ago.  Last I heard,
the xmodes of /t2(?) were to blame.  When I try to use my CoCoPRO! RS232 pak
and Hayes modem (DCD line forced high) with sterm 1.2, everything just locks
up.  CIS will not recognize me when I ctrl-c; local boards don't either. The AT
commands really don't even seem to work at all.  And neither does the esc-p
phone dialer.  Let me know what xmodes or anything else you need to know and
I'll see about sending it up.

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#: 11344 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  08:01:30
Sb: #11328-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Erich Schulman 75140,3175 (X)

Erich,

Sorry to hear you're still having trouble with sterm. Tell us, do the modem
lights dance when you hammer onthe keyboard in sterm? (is sterm commuicating
with the port?)

On the off chance that I somehow gave you a patched copy of sterm 1.2 to a port
other than /t2 (I use /t5), try calling the program and specificly indicate the
port:

 Sterm /t2

And by the way ... don't fret about the the dialer code. Mark yanked it in
later versions. It never worked the way he wanted.

Steve

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#: 11360 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jul-91  01:05:31
Sb: #11344-STERM 1.2
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Nope, nothing seems to ever reach the modem.  I especially suspect that
considering no AT command does anything.  I always specify a port since it
seems to be required.  Just sterm didn't work with anything (incl. the modem
pak) when I tried that.  It's been a good while, so I no longer recall exactly
what happened.

#: 11321 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  07:12:25
Sb: #11316-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

Glad the diskette arrived in one piece!

Erich has explained how to do the <ESC> sequences. A bit of finger gymnastics,
but you'll get use to it.

You're calling it correctly ... you should just be able to pick up the phone ad
place a call to your local CIS number as you'd normally do. Get carrier, then
press the modem's connect button.

Can you give m a few more details on what exactly you're doing (step by step
would be helpful) ad what response (if any) you get back for either the system
or CIS.

Steve

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#: 11323 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  20:24:03
Sb: #11321-#STERM 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Yes it arrived in one piece. The package you sent it in kept it safe,and the
boys at the post office couldn't bend it to fit in the box. I'll try the
commands the way Erich explained and get back to you with the results. Thanks
for all your help.

Tom

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#: 11341 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  07:36:46
Sb: #11323-#STERM 1.2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

I'll pass your comments on to Richard, my shipping and receiving clerk. He
lives to defeat the postmaster!

Steve

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#: 11353 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jul-91  21:40:50
Sb: #11341-#STERM 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Well he certainly did defeat him. Now I have a question for you, I still
haven't gotten STERM to work yet. The local RS store has come down to earth
with there coco prices and I'm buying a coco 3 tommorw. I also picked up a copy
of level 2 os9 for the coco 3 . What will it take to make it work on that? I
think I will be better off with the coco 3 so I'd like to make it work with
that.

Thanks

Tom

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#: 11361 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jul-91  09:18:24
Sb: #11353-STERM 1.2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

You have everything you'll need to make sterm work on a CoCo 3 so keep us
posted.



#: 11318 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    08-Jul-91  23:15:23
Sb: #11100-TROUBLES
Fm: DAVID GUESS 72237,2244
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

I'LL PROBALLY TRY TO FIND A 4 IN 1 CARD SOMETIME OR ANOTHER, BUT I'M GONNA MISS
USING MY OL' DS69, SOMETIME I NEED TO SEE WHAT THE DS69B IS LI
        KE
. LATER.

#: 11324 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  22:02:37
Sb: #DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Steve,

I tried to get the esc function to work and be able to use sterm, but I have
had no success. I pressed cntrl(clear) and while holding it hit break and then
tried 1 at a time every command on the list. None of them responded. I start
off typing sterm/m1 and I get what appears to be a help menu with a list of
commands. The curser is at the bottom of the screen and isn't blinking. If I
try to connect with the modem nothing happens. None of the commands listed work
even if I hit all 3 keys at once.

H E L P

Thanks

Tom

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#: 11325 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    09-Jul-91  22:20:05
Sb: #11324-#DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom- Just started using sterm myself, but here is what's happened to me so far-
 STERM won't accept anything from me without a connect. If this is always true
that might explain the dead keyboard. My modempak is Y'ed in, so can't help
with slot placement,etc.
 After booting deskmate, STERM won't work anymore! DM seems to do something
wierd to the ports. If you are booting deskmate and then closing it to get a
shell, try killing startup and running STERM first, that's the only way I can
get mine to work.Mebbe someone can explain why this is so?
 Luck - Rick

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#: 11329 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  21:48:14
Sb: #11325-#DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

Thanks for the info, actually I have tried two different ways, first booting
deskmate and exiting to shell. Second I tried a system master disk that
contains an M1 driver we created here a while back and got the same results
both ways. If I understand you correctly I have to connect first and then run
STERM. I'll try that and see what happens.

Thanks again

TOM

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#: 11346 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  20:13:15
Sb: #11329-#DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom- Actually, what I'm doing is booting STERM and waiting for the 'STERM is
online at 300 baud'. At this point, it won't accept any commands, but dailing
up anything gets it scooting along. Just a thought- I know all the CoCo3's with
multipaks need an IRQ mod, consisting of a diode and connecting all the pin 8's
together (see DIODE.TXT in Lib10). Don't know if a '2 needs this at all, but it
sounds like you are basically up and running in software,so maybe hardware?
Luck- Rick

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#: 11352 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jul-91  03:27:30
Sb: #11346-DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

      Hmmmm...... just a thought here, but have you tried forcing carrier
detect on your modem high?




#: 11355 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jul-91  21:46:45
Sb: #11346-DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

Thanks , I'll check it out.

TOM

#: 11345 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  08:05:16
Sb: #11324-#DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom,

A bit of diagnostics:

Bring up sterm by typing   sterm /m1 <enter>

Depress the connect button on the modem pak. This will give the impression of
having a carrier.

Now ... try and <esc> <h>, does the the help screen repeat itself? If so ...
then you're doing things right, and shold be ready to go. If not, give a shout,
ad I'll bring sterm up on my old CoCo 1 and see if I can't duplicate your
problems.

Steve

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#: 11354 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    12-Jul-91  21:44:29
Sb: #11345-DOOMED TO DESKMATE
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks for the help.

I'll give it a try and let you know what happens.

TOM

#: 11331 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    10-Jul-91  23:11:32
Sb: #TMRDRV.TXT addendum
Fm: PaulSeniura 76476,464
To: all


Be on the lookout for an update to the original TMRDRV.TXT article called
TMRDR2.TXT.  A synopsis:

With help from some fellow OS9ers on Delphi, I've been narrowing down the
different methods that could be used in our Timer Driver.  Keep in mind the
need for much MUCH higher accuracy and resolution than the ol' VIRQ way, and we
also need absolutely the quickest way possible to action the user program into
gear when the timer does pop.

I also need to SET STANDARDS on the SVC Number(s), GetStat/SetStat numbers, and
the parameter structures.  We gotta have these things acceptable and "official"
with the community so people can write programs to use the 12-bit timer and to
have it behave in expected ways, not to mention a common access method.

We apparently no longer have a User Group -- we won't have an "official" body
who'd normally analyze and approve of an access method used by these kinds of
functions and projects.  You and I are the only ones that can tandemly agree
how to design and use these kinds of interfaces.

So I need your support .. and I need it NOW, please?

-- Thx, Paul Seniura.
   (written 07/10/91)



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#: 11340 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    11-Jul-91  00:12:01
Sb: #11331-TMRDRV.TXT addendum
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464 (X)

How fast do you plan for the timer to go (interrupt)?

Ooops. I'll wait for the file.  Have you written any code yet? - kev

#: 11348 S6/Applications
    11-Jul-91  21:45:13
Sb: Database Editor
Fm: Art Doyle 71565,262
To: all

Hi!

Do any of you have suggestions for a very usable "editor" to use with the
"data" ASCII sequencial file that seems to be present in almost all
conventional databases? I have been using datamaster for a rather large
 mailing list, and it is beginning to crash from overload. The loss of the
"paradox style, on the fly" record change would hurt. How can I use an editor
 to edit Sculptor data?


Art

#: 11350 S1/General Interest
    12-Jul-91  01:18:43
Sb: #FIDO echo
Fm: DonVail 70233,2037
To:  76703,4227 (X)

Hello Kevin,
    We, on the FIDO echo would like your presense.  I know that you use to
visit the Falcon's Lair which noe carries the OS-9 echo. Why not drop by
sometimes if possible.

DonVail

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#: 11351 S1/General Interest
    12-Jul-91  03:00:15
Sb: #11350-#FIDO echo
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: DonVail 70233,2037

Thanks... I actually called Chicago last night just to read FIDO so that I
could see what people were up to.  If I get more time, I'll try to get back on
sometime.  Seemed like things were okay tho.

best - kevin

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#: 11415 S1/General Interest
    20-Jul-91  15:31:47
Sb: #11351-FIDO echo
Fm: John Wight 76370,2100
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

I also would like to see you come by the FIDONET OS9 and COCO echos. I am the
moderator of these echos, and one of the hot topics currently is forming a new
users` group with the help of FIDONET and its members to take over where the
old group left off. I have seen your message to Warren Hrach in another network
on the matter. I would sure like to see you come around for advice, and to
answer those difficult questions about OS-9, even if you don&t have the desire
to be a large part of the new group, and I`m sure the users of the echos would
agree. Bruce Isted has been available on the echos for quite sometime, so I
hope to see you there, too.

#: 11363 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Jul-91  13:31:13
Sb: #UUCP Source and a MM/1
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To: All

Hi, I hope someone can help me.

I have the Rick Addams UUCP Ver 2.0 source code.

I would like to recompile it on my MM/1

Do I have to edit the makefile?

Please help me get this set up on my new computer.

any help will be greatly appreacted <sp?>

Thanks keith

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#: 11364 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Jul-91  13:55:05
Sb: #11363-UUCP Source and a MM/1
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

That depends on the particular make that the makefile is written to work with.
There was long ago a sort of primitive make, makefiles for which can, if I
recall correctly, be recognized by the = that appear at the beginning of some
of the lines.

There is a freely-copyable make that is more like Unix make than Microware's
make, and there's a make (I think freely copyable also) that was written to
work like Microware's make.

What it boils down to is, we'll need to see a sample of it before we could say.
Could you post the first few lines?

#: 11365 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    13-Jul-91  18:39:18
Sb: #11363-UUCP Source and a MM/1
Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

reply 11363

Kieth,

I've played with Rick's UUCP package, and it's nice!  BUT, you need to make
quite a few changes to the source code to get it to compile under OSK. He used
the _os9() 6809 routine for Get/Setstat calls which need to be changed to the
equivalent _gs_xxx or _ss_xxx functions in OSK.

What I did is used the preprocessor directive

 #ifdef OSK
 _gs_xxx
 #else
 ...
 ...
 _os9()
 #endif

Other than that, you need to use -DOSK when compiling the thing. So, if you
haven't done it before (Ported a program from the COCO) it will be a challenge,
but very doable.

I have sent E-Mail to Rick, asking for permission to port/post a new version
that will support both OSK and 6809 OS9.  SO you may want to hang on for a
while till I get a reply.  If he says "go for it", I'll post the sources here.

Mike



#: 11367 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    13-Jul-91  20:35:47
Sb: #IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

I am writing this message on my new coco 3 using sterm 1.2. It works!!! Thanks
for all your help. One more question, Which one of the terminal programs that
you sent me do you think I should use? I am now using a coco 3, multi-pak,2
drives and a modem pak.

Now all I need is a rs-232 pak so I can get a faster modem.

Thanks again.

TOM

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#: 11374 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jul-91  15:16:56
Sb: #11367-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom- Glad you're STERMin! Thought I'd jump on your thread and leave a few
comments on CoCo3-
 Do you have 512K? If so, get a RAMDisk driver from Lib10. You can chd /r0 and
start STERM with -f /m1 (or -f -l ?m1 for 1.5), and B+ downloads really fly!
 Just remember to save the RAMDisk(oops!). Word of caution- if you haven't
upgraded
 the multipak do it right away. Semms the MPak and the '3s GIME 'fight it out'
for control of the system buss, so even when it works, it doesn't work.
 Things could explode! I've noticed Marty Goodman made a kit to convert your
ModemPak into a real RS-322 pak for cheap. If you're into hardware hacking at
all, call CoCoPro for a price.(Used to be about $25).
 Welcome to 80 columns and big bootfiles - Rick

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#: 11375 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jul-91  20:10:03
Sb: #11374-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

First of all I'm at 128K, but want to upgrade to 512K soon. Second it may sound
silly but I've heard the term alot and still don't know what it is. Could you
tell me what is a RAMDISK? Also I would like to know more about this conversion
for the modempak, I want to get a faster modem but need an rs-232 pak to use
it. Hardware hacking is no problem, went to school for electronics and
understand how that stuff works.

Thanks for the info.

TOM

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#: 11376 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jul-91  20:47:44
Sb: #11375-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

A RAM disk is one that exists solely in random-access memory; it's used to keep
stuff that wants to be accessed quickly and is either temporary, copied from a
permanent source, or copied back to a more permanent medium (because its
contents are forgotten as soon as you power down the system!).

My system has a 96K RAM disk; the device is named r0.  I can type "dir /r0"
just as I can type "dir /h0", and the analogous thing will happen.  I can type
"mdir >/r0/mdir.out" and the output of "mdir" will go to a file on the RAM
disk, named "mdir.out".  See what I mean?

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#: 11383 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  21:54:15
Sb: #11376-IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)

Thanks for the education. I needed that.

I will look into getting one as it sounds very useful.

Thanks again

Tom

#: 11382 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  20:11:02
Sb: #11375-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom- An expansion or the previous answer-CServ (and STERM) can use the 'B+'
protocol,where CompuServ doesn't wait for your CoCo to check out the last block
sent before it sends the next one. The fly in the ointment is the stock RS disk
controller, which stops the CPU while it writes/reads the disk. SIince a
RAMDisk is a imaginary disk drive, it doesn't use the RS controller and saves
at the speed of RAM. Do a CTRL-ESC-Z on an xmodem download and see what all
those HALTs do for you! The RS-232 kit I told you about converts a modempak
into a 300-9600 baud serial port,although you lose the crappy modem. Best- Rick

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#: 11385 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  22:01:07
Sb: #11382-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick

Thanks for the info,

It would appear as though I should invest in a ramdisk.


Thanks again Tom

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#: 11386 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  22:11:24
Sb: #11385-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Tom- Yup.. Esp. since the ones in Lib10 cost about a dollar, and the 512
upgrade (to get some RAM to put it in) is getting cheaper daily. I'm panting
for 1Meg myself. Will it ever end? -Rick

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#: 11393 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Jul-91  20:23:55
Sb: #11386-IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Rick Ulland 70540,3305 (X)

Rick,

1 meg sounds nice but I think you need the 512K to be able to use it. That was
how I understood the ad I saw, the 1 meg upgrade required a 512K machiene to
start with. Any way they are getting cheaper all the time and who knows mabe
they will come out with even more. Someone has got to support these things
since Radio Shack won't.

Tom

#: 11380 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  07:25:14
Sb: #11367-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

You're using my favorite, already!

Sterm offers the best for the least hassle on CompuServe. The only suggestion I
could make would be to move up to the latest version (1.5) when you're ready.

There isn't much difference in features for your application but Mark has
improved the throughput slightly.

There's no hurry to do so. 1.2 is a solid implementation.

Steve

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#: 11384 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    15-Jul-91  21:58:10
Sb: #11380-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks for the advice, I think I will just try them one at a time and see waht
happens. 1.2 seems to work very well and is fairly simple to use, one question
How do I keep the help menu from scrolling half off the screen?

I still haven't seen the first part of it yet as it just flys by.

Thanks again


Tom

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#: 11389 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Jul-91  07:23:02
Sb: #11384-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

No can do, Tom ... at least as Mark wrote it. You can redisplay the the help
screen at any time. Just <esc><H>.

There's also a script around here somewhere that allows you to split your
window, write the help message to the upper, nd use the lower for your com
session.

I'll see what I can dig up.

Steve

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#: 11394 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Jul-91  20:26:58
Sb: #11389-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks, I'll look forward to hearing from you. Any way to print the help screen
to a printer? That way I would have a hard copy of all the commands. Just an
idea.


Tom

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#: 11401 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Jul-91  07:35:56
Sb: #11394-#IT WORKS!!!
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Might try: Sterm /m1 >/p    or  Sterm /m1 >>/p  and see what happens.

Steve

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#: 11403 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    17-Jul-91  20:51:29
Sb: #11401-IT WORKS!!!
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Thanks, I'll try it and let you know what happens.

Tom

#: 11368 S6/Applications
    14-Jul-91  01:09:48
Sb: Datamaster Blues
Fm: Art Doyle 71565,262
To: ALL

Hi!


I have one of those strange mailing list applications where only the free form
spreadsheet data editing features of datamaster have proved adequate.
Unfortunately, I seem to have uncovered a bug in the program which prevents
it's use with a file of over 1000 records (24K), since it insists on crashing
with complete window lockup. I have tried experiments with known clean files,
and in every case, I can induce this problem when I get to the stated limits.

Since I have tried unsuccessfully on at least three separate occasions to buy
the latest copy of datamaster from Computerware, I am left with migration to
another program or possibly another platform to perform my tasks. Other
possibilities might include breaking the files up by using separate windows or
by indexing with profile's??? sorter.

In the past few years, I have purchased and put aside Sculptor, data-windows
and Van der Poels mailing list program as unsuitable. Datawindows may not be
the greatest filer out there, but it does perform this function well.

If any of you have the newer version of datamaster (1.01), and are not in need
of it, I would like to purchase it for full price. Alternately, if one of you
could prevail on Mr. Paul (Serby?) to sell me a copy it would be much
appreciated.

As you have probably surmised, my copy of datamaster was not purchased. It was
acquired ONLY after Computerware refused to sell it to me 3 times. It is the
only piece of software which I have ever obtained in this way. Unfortunately,
even this fact did not sway Computerware. After selling me the other programs
to interact with this code, they blocked completion of my system.

I don't know why Computerware became so embittered on this market, but
hopefully time has softened Mr. Serby's stance.

Suggestions?

Art Doyle 817 283 8380

#: 11369 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jul-91  07:31:10
Sb: #Reply to #11364
Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
To:  76257,562 (X)

  This here is the makefile from the uucp package, written under level II OS9.
The makefiles for OSK looks a little different

ALSO: Does anyone have the source code (.a) for dEd, I miss it, as I used it
under level II almost dayly? * * File: makefile for the UUCP package * * First
define the global macros * * CC     = the C compiler executive program * LIB   
= library(s) to include in all links in addition to clib.l * GFXLIB = library
containing graphics commands * CC     = cc2 LIB    = -l=/dd/lib/sys.l -m=1k
GFXLIB = -l=/dd/lib/cgfx.l * *CC     = cc *LIB    = -l=/dd/lib/cgfx.l -t -m=1k
*GFXLIB = ODIR   = /dd/cmds

* * Trick used to make everything.  Type:  make all *

all: uucico readnews rmail mail postnews expire \
     rnews uuxqt uucp uuencode uudecode fixtext
     @echo
     @echo  --done-
_FIXTEXT = fixtext.r getline.r fixline.r

fixtext: $(_FIXTEXT)
    $(CC) -f=fixtext $(_FIXTEXT) $(LIB)

_UUDECODE = uudecode.r

uudecode: $(_UUDECODE)
    $(CC) -f=uudecode $(_UUDECODE) $(LIB)

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#: 11370 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    14-Jul-91  07:53:48
Sb: #11369-Reply to #11364
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)

Hmmm...looks like a Unix-like makefile to me.  (Microware's make thinks that
targets without suffixes have to be executables, which does sometimes get in
the way.)  You should look for one of the freely-copyable makes that take that
sort of makefile.

#: 11373 S7/Telecommunications
    14-Jul-91  12:47:06
Sb: Sterm
Fm: KENHEIST 71750,551
To:  76070,41 (X)

Mark been using the latest Ver. of Sterm amnd have one problem. When I download
and it opens the overlay window its OK but it nt kill the window when its done
, the curser jumps back to the main screen below the window and the window must
roll off the screen to clear.
  I'm using a COCOIII w/ 512k DCII w/ 4n1 and 1200 ba Avetex running on a 150
watt IBM pwr. supply. Yes even the 4n1 is running on the 150w through a lm317
volts reg. set to 9v. and pwr'ed off the 12 volt line. P.S.
   How about a stand alone B-Plus module that will work with my WizPro? I know
you like sterm and its ok but wizpro has a lot of features and I miss being
able to run CIS th it except as a boot for sterm.

#: 11377 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    14-Jul-91  21:34:19
Sb: #10970-King Quest, Laser Surg.
Fm: geo 76120,3535
To: Rod Motto 73247,424

I run Kings Quest from hard disk.. edit the toc.txt file and only change the
the disk # to 1 and the side # to 1 for all the volumns and then run the toxgen
utility  to creat the new toc file.

Hope this helps

#: 11388 S15/Hot Topics
    15-Jul-91  23:59:19
Sb: Upload
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: [F] sysop (X)

Hi I uploaded a file to dl15 on the Tiger/TC9. Did you get it? Could you post
it?

Thanks Frank

#: 11395 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    16-Jul-91  20:29:24
Sb: STERM
Fm: Rick Ulland 70540,3305
To: ALL

 Has anyone got STERM 1.5 up from a Multi-Vue icon? Mine looks like: sterm -l
/m1
....
 To a type 7 window.All I get for the trouble is a pink screen with a large
white block in the upper left. Puzzle since pink isn't even in the palette! I
can start a shell (type 7),clear over, and run it just fine from there, with
the inherited directories,same boot,same parameters,etc.What gives?
 Rick

#: 11397 S1/General Interest
    16-Jul-91  23:06:53
Sb: Upload
Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
To: sysop (X)

OK took 3 tried but I beleave I got it.

Thanks Wayne

Frank



#: 11402 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    17-Jul-91  07:51:55
Sb: #local help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

Ed,

I met with Allan Browning yesterday and got him set up with a copy of dEd. He
was sure appreciative of your help and pointing him my way.

Sounds like he's got a dandy problem on his hands!



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#: 11407 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    19-Jul-91  03:48:16
Sb: #11402-#local help
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

 Steve,

 Thanks for helping him out.  It sure is nice knowing there are knowledgeable
 people scattered around the country/world that we can refer people to when
 they have problems.  BTW, did you suggest he join CIS?

 Ed Gresick - DELMAR CO

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#: 11413 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
    20-Jul-91  08:33:49
Sb: #11407-local help
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)

I mentioned my involvement, but didn't push too hard.

Hope he gets his problems solved ... and you get the sale!

Steve

#: 11404 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    18-Jul-91  19:46:45
Sb: #Sterm 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To:  76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Sterm /M1 >/P works , it gives a nice printout of the entire help page.

Thanks for the help.

Tom

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#: 11414 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Jul-91  08:35:08
Sb: #11404-#Sterm 1.2
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
To: thomas aubin 70540,1666 (X)

Thanks for the feed back, Tom. Nice thing about OS9 is the ability to direct
and redirect input, output and standard error lines.

Steve

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#: 11419 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    20-Jul-91  21:29:58
Sb: #11414-Sterm 1.2
Fm: thomas aubin 70540,1666
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)

Steve,

Sterm works well and I like using it however there is one feature that is
missing. My deskmate telecomm program allows you to send ID and Password using
only 2 keys. I wonder is there any way to add this to Sterm?

Also I agree with you on os9, being able to redirect inputs and outputs is
nice.

I still haven't finished reading the manual for level 2 yet but I'm finding out
new things about this system all the time.

Catch you later,

Tom

#: 11405 S1/General Interest
    18-Jul-91  21:44:01
Sb: OSK MultiMedia Job
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
To: all

Interested in a job using OS-9/68000?

A MultiMedia company is looking for OS9 System Software Engineers to work with
CD-I.  Must have an interest in Video and Graphics Programming.  If interested
please call Mark Tokay ASAP at (704) 652-1801 for more information.

Please tell him that you heard about this on Compuserve in a message posted by
James Truesdale.

Good Luck!

-J

#: 11406 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Jul-91  03:17:38
Sb: #GIME Chip
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
To: all

I was wondering what Rainbow has the article in it about the GIME chip. I've
been having trouble with my CoCo3 just stopping and printing garbage on the
screen. It seems I read an article in Rainbow about the  GIME chip needing
upgraded or to that effect. I need to read it again and see what I need to do.
Any help will be appreciated...

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#: 11408 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    19-Jul-91  11:32:04
Sb: #11406-GIME Chip
Fm: Erich Schulman 75140,3175
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003

From what I've heard on the CoCo Forum, the gime chip is probably loose. Open
your CoCo if it is no longer under warranty and push the chip firmly back into
its socket.  Be sure you ground yourself (Radio Shack's antistatic wrist strap
is fine--attach the clip to the RF out jack).  To find the gime chip, the CoCo
Forum has a graphic called INSID.PIX or something like that which will show you
about where it is.

#: 11409 S1/General Interest
    19-Jul-91  15:50:30
Sb: #User Interface Util
Fm: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151
To: All

Hi,

I'm new to this forum (and compuserve in general!) and would appreciate any
help y'all can offer.  I'm looking for utilities that deal with user interface
management.  I quickly perused the libraries section but didn't see anything
off hand.  Can anyone point me to a specific area in Libraries that I should be
looking at?  Also, on a related note, how does one obtain a summary of the
available files?  Is there some sort of READ.ME doc somewhere?

Thanks in advance!



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#: 11410 S1/General Interest
    19-Jul-91  17:29:31
Sb: #11409-User Interface Util
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Semi-Gas Systems 76047,151

Hi!  First, I guess we need to know what flavor of OS-9 you're using... the
6809 or the 680x0 version?  Perhaps even what kind of system, in case someone
else has one (unless you're making your own, of course).

You might also want to change you forum name to your own name, instead of using
a company name (or use both, if possible).  Use the OPTions menu to do that.

Some of the libraries have summary files, but I find it easiest to just go to
each library and capture the output of a "sca/sho" command... which gives
names, dates, size and a one-line comment.

Again, welcome!  best - kevin

#: 11411 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-Jul-91  21:09:16
Sb: #forks and pipes
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: all

I'm having a weird problem with pipes and forks (sounds like a dinner...).
Here's the deal:

 1. Process1 opens a pipe,
 2. '1' starts process2 (a filter of some kind),
 3. '1' sends a bunch of data down the pipeline,
 4. '1' closes the pipe and waits for the child (process2) to end.

All this works fine if the program forks process2 directly. However, if I fork
'shell' with process2 as a param things hang up. The stuff I send down the
pipeline gets processed okay; but the child(ren) never die. I suppose I could
just forget about using the shell, but it'll take care of setting up the
command line for me which I'd have to do otherwise. Besided, it's really
bugging me.

This is all in C on OSK using os9exec() with fork().

I suspect that I have to terminate or wakeup someone with a signal. Not sure
who or what. Any suggestions?

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#: 11412 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    19-Jul-91  22:57:04
Sb: #11411-#forks and pipes
Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)

Can I assume that you add a "&" on the shell line forking the child? Hmm. I
guess you must or your parent program wouldn't continue operation until the
child died.

I would think that when the parent closes the pipe, the child should die,
assuming the child dies when it detects the read error (or eof? not sure) on
the pipe.  Hmm.  Got a tiny example code which would fit up here?
 - kev

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#: 11417 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-Jul-91  21:09:29
Sb: #11412-forks and pipes
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Kevin,

Here's a bit of code. Remember, this is 'C' -- but since it just calls the
system F$Fork even die-hard assembler types like you should be able to help
<grin>:

First off, a bit of the section which starts the pipeline:

   char *argv[MAXARGS];
   FILE *out_file;
   int childnum, pipe, oldin, oldout, os9fork();
   extern char **environ;

   if((pipe=open("/pipe",S_IREAD+S_IWRITE))<0)
         terminate("Unable to open '/pipe'");;

   oldin=dup(0);   /* save current stdin/out */
   oldout=dup(1);

   close(0);        /* set stdin to new pipe file */
   dup(pipe);
   close(1);        /* set stdout to current output file */
   dup(fileno(out_file));

   argv[0]="shell";
   argv[1]=newprog;
   argv[2]=0;
   childnum=os9exec(os9fork,argv[0],argv,environ,0,0);

   close(0);       /* restore original stdin */
   dup  (oldin);
   close(oldin);

   close(1);        /* restore original stdout */
   dup  (oldout);
   close(oldout);

   if(childnum<0){      /* fork failure, close the pipe file */
      childnum=0;
      close(pipe);
      terminate("Unable to fork pipe process");
   }
   else{
      fclose(out_file);            /* close old output file */
      out_file=fdopen(pipe,"w");    /* set to pipefile */
   }

And here is the snippet which gives the problem.

   fclose(out_file);   /* close down the pipeline */

   /* wait for a pipe process to finish it's thing... */

   if(childnum){
      wait(0);
      childnum=0;
   }

Continued next message.

#: 11418 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    20-Jul-91  21:10:08
Sb: #11412-#forks and pipes
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)

Continued...

I can get the code in the last section to work perfectly simply by changing the
argrument list to:

   argv[0]=newprog;
   argv[1]=0;

When this is done 'newprog' is forked directly (and runs concurrently) with its
stdin/out redirected as needed. Then when its input is closed it nicely dies.
However, as written, there is a shell in between my main process and the child.
In this case the closing of the pipeline just causes things to hang forever.
Well, not forever -- if I hit CTRL-E the shell(?) dies along with the child and
things continue on as needed. I suppose I could send a terminate signal, but am
I guaranteed that the child will have finished if I do that? The reason for
using shell as an intermediary is that I don't want to have to rewrite the
parseing code to break up arguments (under OSK the shell, not cstart breaks up
the command line into null-terminated strings) and do redirection.

Help.

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#: 11422 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
    21-Jul-91  17:35:20
Sb: #11418-forks and pipes
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203

Bob -

A) Is it that the children never die, _or_ that the parent (actually
GRANDPARENT) never get a death notification? If this is the case, it's because
Shell breaks the parent/child lineage, and the child would have noone to report
to if the Shell goes away.

B) Have you tried the 'popen()' call? (if 6809)... If not, that's what you
probably want. Mirrors Unix 'popen()' exactly.. i.e.:

  int path;

  path = popen("procs", "r");    /* fork a 'procs' command; read its output */
   .....
  pclose(path);

Actually - I can't remember if popen is high level (fgets, etc.) or lower
level... I think now that it's HIGH level...

In any case, there should be a code fragment around that implements popen() in
LIB 3 if you're running 68K and haven't got it in the library.

Pete

#: 11423 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
    21-Jul-91  17:50:31
Sb: updated kernel patch
Fm: Bruce Isted 76625,2273
To: All

Hi All,
  This message is to announce the release of the updated F$PrsNam and memory
check kernel patch ARchive.  Look for "krnl.ar" in the CoCo OS-9 library.
  Bruce

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