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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Prof. D. Denning's trust in the FBI
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Dave Banisar <Banisar@washofc.cpsr.org> writes:

>In article <nagleC4DMnG.1wz@netcom.com> John Nagle, nagle@netcom.com
>writes:
>>     None of what commentators?  The 1976 Congressional study on
>>wiretapping has a sizable list of known abuses.  I should have generated
>>a reply to her paper, but I assumed the EFF or CPSR would cover this issue,
>>since I know that Mike Godwin and Mark Rotenberg are well aware of the
>>literature on wiretapping abuse.

>Actually Dorothy was factually incorrect on that point. Marc specifically 
>mentioned abuses by the govt going into the 70s. Dorothy either didnt see 
>it or chose to ignore it.

And here are the references, which I have also sent to Denning as mail:


      Following are the citations for the 1976 study.  Any depository
library should have these materials on microfiche.  Check fiche
Y 3.W 74/2:2 H 35/v.1-2.  

      You can find further materials on this subject by using the 
CD-ROM database available at all depository libraries.  Just try
"WIRETAPPING" as a keyword.  Ten minutes should give you the references
here plus others. 

      There is an Office of Technology Assessment study dated 1985 which
you might find of interest, since you have been complaining that the 
1976 study is too old.  This is "Surveilance - historical policy review
(Technical proposal US 84-10/12)" by Herman Schwartz, U.S. Congress, 
Office of Technology Assessment, 1985.  Again, this can be found in any
depository library, at fiche Y 3.T 22/2:2 Su 7/3.  Pages 89-90 cite
illegal wiretapping by law enforcement organizations including the NYPD,
the Houston police (testimony by Carrol Lynn, Chief of Police, Houston TX,
hearings on wiretapping, before Subcommitee on Courts, Civil Liberties,
of House Judiciary Committee, 94th Cong., 1st sess., at 406 (1975))
the Chicago police, the Pensylvania State Police, the New Haven police, 
(NYT, Jan 25, 1977, p. 37) and the Williamsport (PA) police.  More detailed
citations are available in the report.  And these are only the ones that 
surfaced in press reports or Congressional testimony.

      Bear in mind that criminal activity by law enforcement tends not to
be talked about.  Yet we do see considerable evidence that such illegal 
wiretapping does go on.


      					John Nagle

      The citations below are from the Stanford library catalog system.


Heading 19) Title: Supporting Materials for the Report of the ... (4 citations)

Citation 19.1 -----------------------------------------------------------------

TITLE:    Commission studies.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          xii, 240 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH ACR LLu

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
OTHER:    United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Consists of studies prepared for the National Commission for the
            Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance.
          Bibliography: p. 213-215.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7499 (Books)  AJG9050 (NOTIS)

Citation 19.2 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Commission hearings.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          2 v. (xiv, 1664 p.) : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDc

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Transcriptions of hearings conducted by the Commission and held Sept.
            16, 1974-June 27, 1975 in Washington.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7442 (Books)  AJG8994 (NOTIS)

Citation 19.3 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Staff studies and surveys.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print Off., 1976.
          xiv, 552 p. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDs

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7439 (Books)  AJG8991 (NOTIS)

Citation 19.4 -----------------------------------------------------------------

TITLE:    Law Enforcement Effectiveness Conference, Washington, D.C., 1974.
          Law Enforcement Effectiveness Conference.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          xv, 97 p. : diagr. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH ALG AHm

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
OTHER:    United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States--Congresses.
          Eavesdropping--United States--Congresses.
          Electronic surveillance--United States--Congresses.
NOTES:    Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7277 (Books)  AJG8829 (NOTIS)

Heading 20) Title: Electronic Surveillance Report of the Nation... (1 citation)

Citation 20.1 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Electronic surveillance : report of the National Commission for the
            Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance.
IMPRINT:  Washington : The Commission, 1976.
          xix, 272 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDg

TOPICS:   Eavesdropping--United States.
          Wire-tapping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Includes bibliographical references.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7440 (Books)  AJG8992 (NOTIS)

Heading 21) Author: United States National Commission for the ... (5 citations)

Citation 21.1 -----------------------------------------------------------------

TITLE:    Commission studies.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          xii, 240 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH ACR LLu

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
OTHER:    United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Consists of studies prepared for the National Commission for the
            Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance.
          Bibliography: p. 213-215.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7499 (Books)  AJG9050 (NOTIS)

Citation 21.2 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Commission hearings.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          2 v. (xiv, 1664 p.) : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDc

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Transcriptions of hearings conducted by the Commission and held Sept.
            16, 1974-June 27, 1975 in Washington.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7442 (Books)  AJG8994 (NOTIS)

Citation 21.3 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Electronic surveillance : report of the National Commission for the
            Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance.
IMPRINT:  Washington : The Commission, 1976.
          xix, 272 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDg

TOPICS:   Eavesdropping--United States.
          Wire-tapping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Includes bibliographical references.
          Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7440 (Books)  AJG8992 (NOTIS)

Citation 21.4 -----------------------------------------------------------------

AUTHOR:   United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TITLE:    Staff studies and surveys.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print Off., 1976.
          xiv, 552 p. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH AUS XDs

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States.
          Eavesdropping--United States.
          Electronic surveillance--United States.
NOTES:    Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7439 (Books)  AJG8991 (NOTIS)

Citation 21.5 -----------------------------------------------------------------

TITLE:    Law Enforcement Effectiveness Conference, Washington, D.C., 1974.
          Law Enforcement Effectiveness Conference.
IMPRINT:  Washington : National Commission for the Review of Federal and State
            Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance : for sale
            by the Supt. of Docs., U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1976.
          xv, 97 p. : diagr. ; 26 cm.

LOCATION: Law BH ALG AHm

SERIES:   Supporting materials for the Report of the National Commission for
            the Review of Federal and State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and
            Electronic Surveillance
OTHER:    United States. National Commission for the Review of Federal and
            State Laws Relating to Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance.
TOPICS:   Wire-tapping--United States--Congresses.
          Eavesdropping--United States--Congresses.
          Electronic surveillance--United States--Congresses.
NOTES:    Language: English   Year: 1976
          Item CSUL89-B7277 (Books)  AJG8829 (NOTIS)
