     Volume 6, Number 32                                 7 August 1989
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                        Table of Contents
     1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
        How Much GARBAGE should a person put up with?  ............  1
        Moderators BEWARE!  .......................................  8
     2. LATEST VERSIONS  .......................................... 10
        Latest Software Versions  ................................. 10
     3. NOTICES  .................................................. 12
        The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 12
     4. REPORTS  .................................................. 13
        Executive Committee Report  ............................... 24
        Report from Nominations and Elections Committee  .......... 27
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     How Much GARBAGE should a person put up with?
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     By: Justin Marquez (1:106/100)

     I have  interpreted the article in FNEWS631 by Phil Buonomo as an
     attack  upon  my   performance  in  the  case  of  Mike  Lester's
     excommunication.  This article is my own rebuttal to it.

     I have refrained from  public mention of Mr.  Lester's activities
     while he was in Net  170  because I have had no particular desire
     to embarrass him publicly.  Since  he  has  seen  fit  to  spread
     untruths about the situation, and to imply  that  I  treated  him
     unjustly, I shall now present the story from my perspective.

     If anyone doubts my veracity, or has any  question  about  how  I
     deal with fellow sysops or with NC's (while I  was  in  the  RC19
     job), please feel free to contact ANY sysop in Net  106 or ANY NC
     in Region 19 for an independent perspective.

     I regret the necessity to write this type of FidoNews article.  I
     apologize to  you  in  advance.    However,  Mr.  Buonomo and Mr.
     Lester have publicly  injured  me by impugning my character and I
     do not appreciate it.   Unfortunately, FidoNews is the only forum
     available for my reply.

     It is also regrettably necessary  to  quote some of his material.
     Sections quoted will be marked at the beginning of each line with
     the vertical bar character, as shown below:

     |  More Tales of Horror from the FidoNet *C's
     |  by Phil Buonomo 1:107/583, 7:520/583, 9:807/1
     |  (Whew!  Made it another week!  Guess the RC's don't read
     |   FidoNews, else I'd have been tossed out long ago!)

     No,  Phil, the RC's do read POLICY,  which  is  perhaps  why  you
     haven't been "bounced".

     |quote from national sysop:
     | RG: Tell me, just how many nodes do you know of that have been
     | RG: excommunicated on the basis of a single offense?  Indeed,
     | RG: how many nodes do you know of that have been excommuni-
     | RG: cated, period?
     | end quote

     Nobody that I know has been excommunicated for  a single offense.
     Mike Lester violated POLICY on a number of occasions while he was
     NC170  and  after  he  was removed from that post.   His  POLICY3
     violations included:  - harassment of local nodes whose sysops he
     didn't like,  including  removal  of  some  of those nodes.  (How
     would YOU like  to  have an NC just lickin' his chops and waitin'
     for your system to  be  down  at  ZMH  so  that  you are found in
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 2                    7 Aug 1989


     violation of POLICY?) Don't believe  me?    Ask sysop Si Hawk.  -
     Entering  messages with profanity in a  public  echo  -  Entering
     messages  with  personal  attacks  (flaming)  -  Harassing  voice
     telephone calls to various *C's.  The fellow  who became the next
     NC  got  phone calls in the wee hours of  the  morning.    Lovely
     fellows, this Mr.  Lester and his friends.  (No,  it could not be
     *proven* he did it.  If it could, there would probably  have been
     criminal charges filed.) -  Being  exceptionally uncooperative in
     any number of ways including:  suddenly using AreaFix's add areas
     capability to add 200 echomail areas  and convincing a few of his
     friends to do the same;  convincing  a portion of the net to band
     together  with  him  and  form a separate group  of  "Independent
     Nodes" who were not allowed to communicate with the "regular" Net
     170 nodes;  attempting to wrest control of echomail distribution.
     - Revealing  contents  of private NetMail messages without asking
     permission.  (Some  of  the  things in the Fido News #631 article
     fall into this category.)  - And, of course, his admitted attempt
     to interfere with the NC's system.

     I asked him on many  occasions  to quit his violations of POLICY.
     He *could* have been removed on  the  basis  of  MANY violations,
     long before he was finally removed.

     I freely admit that there was a  LOT  of "NC-baiting" going on in
     Net 170.  I told Mike NOT to  fall for it.  I tried for MONTHS to
     convince him to quit violating POLICY, just because some folks in
     the local net were pestering him.  *C's *must* be  willing to put
     up with a lot of garbage.  It is part of  the job.  If one cannot
     stand  the  heat,  one  *should*  get  out of the kitchen.  ("Two
     wrongs don't equal one right", plus many other cliches....)

     After Mike  was removed as NC, he was given MANY, MANY chances to
     back off and  act responsibly.  Only after seeing him deteriorate
     to serious threats to others was he finally removed.  Was he then
     removed  for  ONE  violation?   No.    He  was  removed  for  the
     cumulative  effects of his many violations  and  because  he  was
     totally unrepentant.  Had he stayed in  FidoNet, it was painfully
     apparent that he would have continued to disrupt  net  operations
     whenever  he  could  do  so.   Even now he  is  still  attempting
     (through  his  spreading  of  libelous  and false information) to
     disrupt Net 170 and Region 19 matters whenever he can do so.

     | 1) First get the NC(me) to route ALL messages for the local net
     | through your node as NEC.

     | 2) Then, using a message editor that dont leave footprints (FD
     | editor), make changes to the messages the NC posts locally, and
     | make sure some if not most are a degrading nature in responce
     | to simple questions.

     | 3) Quietly, forward "copys" to the RC, explaining that you (the
     | NEC)  think the NC is "over the edge" and politlely ask what he
     | can do about it. A voice phone call helps here, if your GOOD at
     | manipulating people. A few of your friends making complaints
     | also helps, no matter how bogus they may be. also, if a node
     | wont file an "official" complaint make one up in his name and
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 3                    7 Aug 1989


     | send it in. (eg. Joe Savard. )

     I have  seen  few  people as good at manipulation of people as is
     Mr.  Lester.    Curiously  enough,  during the episodes involving
     Lester, not once do I recall his mentioning that persons might be
     tampering with his messages.   The  most damaging messages to his
     case were some that he copied  me  on  (in  his own dealings with
     local Net 170 sysops) and which came  directly  from  his node to
     mine.

     | 4) The RC removes the NC for "cause" and appoints the NEC the
     | NEW NC.

     I removed Mike because he was doing many  things  that  were  not
     according  to POLICY.  Frankly, I never kept many  old  files  or
     messages, because I never planned to publicly put him on "trial".
     Now  that  he  has  fired the first volley, so to speak,  I  will
     present the situation as I saw it (and still do).

     | 5) Now your in "CONTROL". Next, start having "secret" monthly
     | meetings where not even wifes are allowed in the room where
     | fidonet business is conducted. ( You should have heard some of
     | the wives outside when this happened.)

     | 6) When the old NC(me) finds out about what happened and the
     | reason why,  he just shrugs it off and says ok, "you leave me
     | alone, and I will leave you alone", Now just wait about 2 weeks
     | and be silent.

     Hmmmmm....  hardly  remember  him being silent, EVER.  If leaving
     MANY  profane, flaming messages  in  your  local  SYSOP  echo  is
     "silence", then I guess he was "silent".

     | 7) Un-rest rules the net, because of the changes that have
     | happened.  "Un-rest" is an understatement, it almost instantly
     | polarized the net. Now its time for some "heavy handed rules".
     | ie: You MUST attend the local fidonet meetings. (only heresay)
     | You MUST get all your echos from the NC/NEC. You can only have
     | 40 echos MAX. If you post in the local sysop echo, it must be
     | a message that pertains to ALL. Messages of a one to one
     | nature are NOT allowed. ect... The penaltys are "you WILL be
     | removed from the nodelist" A threat of having NET 170 removed
     | by the RC also comes in, if the nodes do not "Cooperate".

     My charge as RC included  "keeping your Region running smoothly".
     Many of Mike Lester's tactics were  designed  to  extort  and  to
     control others.  This fellow was on  the  most  incredible  power
     trip I have ever witnessed.  His actions appeared solely designed
     to  polarize the net, to cripple the net and  spilled  over  into
     some other FidoNet local nets.

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 4                    7 Aug 1989


     | 8) Now, dump on the old NC (me) an echo NOT wanted/requested
     | without  warning or even asking to have the area set up. (100+
     | messages)  ( I had to manually delete them from my netmail area

     Interestingly enough,  the  Net  170  local "operations document"
     which Mr.   Lester used required the local sysops to subscribe to
     TWO echo areas, if  memory serves correctly.  It seems the new NC
     got the idea from the former NC that such was OK.  The new NC was
     advised  by  the RC that "forcefeeding"  an  echo  area  was  not
     acceptable and he stopped it immediately.

     | 9) Now comes the part that got ME ex-communicated. When I
     | complain saying to discontinue sending the echo, simply send a
     | message to the sysop (me) stateing "I'M THE NC, and IF YOU WISH
     | TO REMAIN IN FIDONET, YOU WILL RECIEVE THIS ECHO.

     | 10) When the ex-NC(me) says "ok, fine, you SEND to ME an echo
     | that I dont wish to have, I will place a file on HOLD for you
     | to pick up every time you call. (note: the FILE was my files
     | listing, the one you would get if you requested FILES from my
     | system. Not a mail bomb, or virused program. also, I intended
     | on recieving the echomail to a passthrough area to no one,
     | effectivly deleting the messages.)

     Considering that this incident followed closely on  the  heels of
     another, in which a bosom buddy of Lester  sent a virus/bomb type
     program  to  the  fellow who was NC between the  current  NC  and
     Lester, it is possible that the NC may have been  totally  out of
     line  in  believing that Lester meant to harm the NC's system  or
     that  he intended to impede mail flow in Net 170.  Personally,  I
     believe  he interpreted the threat  correctly.    Lester's  prior
     behavior  and  the  actions  of  his    cohorts  confirm  "malice
     aforethought".

     | 11) The new NC then quietly removes the ex-NC(me) from the
     | nodelist for  that week because he is "annoyed". no warning, no
     | nothing was ever sent to me about this.

     Mike Lester was reinstated while the appeals  were  going through
     channels.  (David Dodell is more than fair  when excommunications
     are involved.  He is so concerned about the rights of sysops that
     he will even allow the real twits to stay in  the nodelist on the
     chance they may turn out to be non-twits.)

     | 12) When I complain again, pass it along to the RC, who then
     | passes it along to David Dodell, who ultimatly, finds that "No
     | one has done anything outside of policy."

     | It happened to me, and when final, 15 sysops, left fidonet 170
     | Now its time for a NEW RULE for the local net. Rule: You can't
     | be in fidonet 170 if you allow Mike Lester ex-NC of Fidonet
     | 170 on your system as a user. (Just ask the sysop of
     | 7:771/208.0 if this is true or not.) The bottom line is this,
     | I was ex-communicated from fidonet simply for saying I was
     | going to "put a FILE on hold". The FILE was NEVER sent, since
     | the new NC removed me from the nodelist. He never called back
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     | either, after I sent him the message I was going to put the
     | file on hold  for him. So, I never actually DID anything wrong,
     | but i was  ex-communicated for it anyway.  I even ASKED the RC
     | for a REGION number, and it was refused, by saying that there
     | was already an existing net in Tulsa, and I HAD to be in it or
     | not at all.

      Now, why would an RC give an independent regional node number to
      a sysop  whose  excommunication he had just upheld?  Would there
      be any reason to such action?

      Every local Net has probably had cases where a disgruntled sysop
      wanted to move to Regional Independent status.  Even those folks
      who are NOT excommunicated are  not  moved  out of local nets as
      Independents  unless  there  is  a  valid    technical   reason.
      (EchoMail star or backbone systems are one  possible  example of
      valid reasons.)

      |    Mike Lester
      |    Galaxy Computer HST
      |    Multiline Opus 1.10
      |    7:771/0 (alternet) 1-918-835-8933 (9600 hst)
      |    7:771/1 (alternet)
      |    7:771/2 (alternet) 1-918-836-6336 (1200 hayes)
      |    11:771/0 (OPCN) 1-918-835-8933 (9600 hst)
      |    11:771/1 (OPCN)
      |    11:771/2 (OPCN) 1-918-835-8933 (1200 hayes)

           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      Is this man on a power trip, or  what?    Anytime  you  see MANY
      address lines, it basically means this "Lookie here!  See what a
      honcho I am?" It is similar to seeing:  Dr.    Joe  Dokes, B.S.,
      M.A., Ph.D., P.E., D.V.M., ad infinitum

      | So this guy, Mike Lester, gets excommunicated from FidoNet.
      | His network gets so upset they 'vote out' the NC appointed by
      | RC19, who then declares the vote 'illegal' and throws it out.
      | Most of the network then quits FidoNet.

     POLICY3 (in effect at the time all this happened) did not provide
     for  any  voting "in" or "out" of anyone, anywhere.  Neither does
     it prohibit  an  RC from allowing a net to choose an NC.  It only
     said the RC "appoints the NC's".  I suppose an RC could "appoint"
     the person voted for  by  a majority of the local sysops.  We did
     it in Net 106.   POLICY  does  clearly state that an NC must work
     with both the sysops in his  net and the RC in his region.  In my
     opinion, Lester amply proved he was not willing to do EITHER.

     It is also my opinion that only  nets which are NOT in a state of
     great turmoil should vote for new NC's.  You may have a different
     opinion and you are welcome to it.  Certainly  you  can  see  the
     dangers of allowing nets to vote NC's out, since occasionally  an
     NC must make a decision which is both "right" and "unpopular".

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     Oh, yes, don't miss the fact that Mike set up a  second  node  at
     his  home,  listing  his wife as sysop, for the stated purpose of
     having a second vote, just in case the RC decided to let Net  170
     vote on an NC.  The NC was reluctant to keep such a node  in  the
     net,  but  was  advised    that  as  long  as  it  obeyed  POLICY
     requirements that it should stay  in  the  list.  It stayed until
     she  asked to be removed when  Mike  moved  his  operations  into
     AlterNet.

     Funny  thing,  I  have  yet to see  moderators  of  the  EchoMail
     Conferences clamoring to allow subscribers to those areas to vote
     moderators  "in" or "out".  (I guess they can  still  "vote  with
     their feet".)

     | So we have another case where an RC 'kills' a network for the
     | 'good' of FidoNet.

     Net 170 is not now, now was it ever, "dead".  What DID die was my
     desire to be an RC anymore.  The TWITS won.   I  certainly "lost"
     something  - my zeal to work for FidoNet.  The garbage collection
     routine finally  overflowed.    John  Summers is now RC19.  In my
     desire not to  drag Lester through the communal mud and not spell
     out in public how  poorly  he  had behaved, I set myself up for a
     barrage of lies, such as the ones that Phil has obviously bought.

     If Lester had not been  on  such  a  power trip, then there would
     have  been NO PROBLEM.  He  *caused*  the  original  problems  by
     continuing to violate POLICY.  He perpetuated the problems in his
     attempts to disrupt the mail and echomail in Net 170.

     Let the record show:  Mike Lester was  the only NC I ever removed
     for  any reason other than non-response to calls during  ZMH  for
     over a week at a time.

     | Are you starting to see the danger of living under Policy4 now?

     Curious statement.  All this happened under POLICY3.  What  I  AM
     beginning to see is the folly in assuming people would not listen
     to lies upon lies.

     | This story would be bad enough, but now we learn that after
     | these guys join AlterNet, the FidoNet NC and RC start trying to
     | take over the echomail conferences the 'excommunicated' nodes
     | are contributing to!  Funny thing is, I thought that FidoNet
     | echomail policy stated that conferences belonged to the
     | MODERATORS!

     Frankly, I  don't  know  WHO  "owns" the echomail conferences.  I
     *do* know that  the  moderators  do  not  bear  the full COSTS to
     distribute the conferences.   Once  you  ask  someone to dedicate
     some portion of his resources  to  support  YOUR  power trip, you
     give up part of that power to control.

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     I  am  quite tired of seeing  people  flaunt  POLICY,  make  life
     miserable for many other people, finally get excommunicated, join
     Yet_Another_Net  and  continue  to reap whatever "benefits" there
     are  to  FidoNet  membership  by collecting EchoMail conveniently
     elsewhere.   Are there to be no consequences for such behavior as
     Mr.  Lester's?  Is there to be no accountability at all?

     We *ALL* get a partially free ride here, folks.  The least we can
     do is to follow  some semblance of the established rules.  If you
     don't *LIKE* the rules, then you may:

                  - Work to CHANGE the rules while following the
                    current rules.

                              *OR*

                  - Vote with your feet.

     | Well, as a moderator of a number of conferences, I give a
     | warning to any *C that might feel bound to keep ANYONE
     | following MY rules in ANY of MY conferences from posting:

     | KEEP YOUR DAMN HANDS OFF MY CONFERENCES, OR YOU'LL FIND
     | YOURSELF THE SUBJECT OF A POLICY COMPLAINT SO FAST IT'LL MAKE
     | YOUR HEAD SWIM!

         Vweeeet! Vweeeet! Vweeeeet!
         POWER TRIP ALERT! POWER TRIP ALERT!

         " The system has detected another POWER TRIP. Please turn
           off the necessary EchoMail Conferences to reduce the
           noise to a bearable level....."

     | Clear enough?  Good.

     XTAL Clear, Phil.  Please forward a list of "YOUR" conferences to
     me at 1:106/100 and I promise  you,  I'll  not bother you with my
     presence in "YOUR" areas.  Now, I  assume  that  by  referring to
     them as "YOUR" areas, that means you don't  freeload  on the rest
     of us by using the public backbone distribution system to deliver
     "YOUR"  areas?    You  ARE  talking about areas that nobody  else
     spends any of "THEIR" money to distribute, right?

     Say,  Phil....    how  would  you like it if the backbone  system
     suddenly  decided  to REALLY keep it's hands off "YOUR" areas?  I
     know I wouldn't miss 'em.....


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     Moderators BEWARE!

     The conference you run may NOT be your own!

     by Phil Buonomo 1:107/583, 7:520/583, 9:807/1
                     (Yup, still here!  I TOLD you the RC's must not
                      read FidoNews!)

     This past week I've received a LOT of mail.  Much of it HATE mail
     from Bruce Bodger's  network, and a lot of it 'thanks for letting
     everyone know' mail from those that were alienated.

     Doesn't bother me, I've  received  hate  mail  before,  and  I'll
     probably do so again.   Since  the  hate mail is so systematic, I
     can only assume it is a coordinated effort.

     Most hate-mail people were complaining that I hadn't 'researched'
     the facts before writing my article, but the fact is, I did.  The
     thrust  of it remains that *C's are trying  to  say  who  can  or
     cannot  post  in  conferences,  despite what the moderators rule.
     This is just plain wrong.  If an 'excommunicated' sysop  signs on
     as  a  user on another FidoNet sysop's board and enters a  valid,
     on-topic message in a conference?  The *C's will KILL it.

     Witness:

     Date: Tue 25 Jul 89 11:53
     From: Jim Dunmyer
     To:   Jim Grubs
     Subj: <<blush>>

      * Forwarded from 1:234/100, EchoMaster, Temperance MI
      * Originally to Jim Grubs, 1:234/1
      * Forwarded by Jim Grubs, 1:234/1, 11:53 7/25

     Well, I pulled a good one again!

     This  thing  aborted  in the middle of the mail transfer this AM,
     and after polling Snyder for the rest of the packet, I discovered
     a problem here.

     During the  recent  fiasco,  I "fixed" things to cover my ass and
     make certain that  any  messages  you entered into echomail would
     not go through here.  I was copying your incoming file to another
     subdirectory,  then  deleting it from  the  "normal"  one  before
     running CONFMAIL IMPORT.  Unfortunately, I  just  discovered  the
     problem this AM and corrected it.   I  moved  all the files I had
     into the proper area before processing, so *most*  of  your stuff
     should  now  be going out into the echos.   Hopefully,  I  didn't
     loose too much.

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     Jim, I am truly sorry about this!

     END OF MSG

     Now,  here  we  have a case of an echomail coordinator  BLATANTLY
     chopping someone's messages, and then BOASTING of it?

     Perhaps the *C's feel they are above POLICY, now?

     Where will this crap ever end, people?  Don't the rights  of  the
     individual  mean  anything anymore?  What if Grubs were a user on
     another system?    His  message  wouldn't  be  ALLOWED  to go out
     because he USED to be in FidoNet?

     Dammit, everytime I  see  stuff  like this I get riled up.  Let's
     say it one more time:

     CONFERENCES BELONG TO THE  MODERATOR,  NOT  THE BACKBONE, NOT THE
     *C'S.

     Now, while I say this,  I  am  not  trying  to imply the backbone
     nodes of violating that principle.  They supported the "Moderator
     as God" idea at last year's FidoCon,  and  I  believe  they  have
     supported it in the past year.  AND,  if  the backbone nodes wish
     to set up a set of rules conferences must  follow  to  BE  on the
     backbone  (having  a  moderator  is one), I support that decision
     wholeheartedly.  The backbone nodes are THEIR systems, after all.

     So here's the musical question, folks:

     If  the  BACKBONE  does  not presume to 'dictate' (good choice of
     words,  don't  you  think) to the moderators, why should the *C's
     feel they can?

     Perhaps for the  same  reasons  they felt they could 'dictate' to
     Vince and FidoNews...

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     FrontDoor       2.0    Prune          1.40    EMM           2.02
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     SEAdog        4.51A*   XlaxDiff       2.32    LHARC         1.13*
                            XlaxNode       2.32    MSG            3.3
                                                   MSGED         1.99
                                                   PK[UN]ZIP     0.92*
                                                   QM             1.0*
                                                   TCOMMail       2.2
                                                   TMail         1.11
                                                   TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                   UFGATE        1.03
                                                   XRS            2.3*
                                                   ZmailQ        1.09*

                               Apple Macintosh
                               ---------------

     Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

     Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

     Red Ryder Host   v2.1b3   Tabby         2.0*  MacArc        0.03
     Mansion             7.0                       ArcMac         1.3
                                                   StuffIt       1.51
                                                   TImport        1.0
                                                   TExport        1.0
                                                   Timestamp      1.6
                                                   Tset         1.0.2
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 11                   7 Aug 1989


                                                   Timestart      1.1
                                                   Tally          1.1
                                                   Mehitabel      1.2
                                                   Archie        1.60
                                                   Numberizer    1.5c
                                                   MessageEdit    1.0


                               Commodore Amiga
                               ---------------

     Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

     Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

     Paragon            1.00+* BinkleyTerm  1.50   ConfMail      1.00
                                                   ChameleonEdit 0.10




     + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
     * Recently changed

     Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
     reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
     all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 12                   7 Aug 1989


     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

                          The Interrupt Stack


     24 Aug 1989
        Voyager 2 passes Neptune.

     24 Aug 1989
        FidoCon '89 starts at the Holiday Inn in San Jose,
        California.  Trade show, seminars, etc. Contact 1:1/89
        for info.

      5 Oct 1989
        20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"

     11 Oct 1989
        First International Modula-2 Conference at Bled, Yugoslavia
        hosting Niklaus Wirth and the British Standards Institution.
        Contact 1:106/8422 for more information.

     11 Nov 1989
        A new area code forms in northern Illinois at 12:01 am.
        Chicago proper will remain area code 312; suburban areas
        formerly served with that code will become area code 708.

     23 Nov 1989
        26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong

     30 Dec 1989
        Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong

     If you have something which you would like to see on this
     calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 13                   7 Aug 1989


     =================================================================
                                  REPORTS
     =================================================================


      MINUTES OF MEETING OF IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

            2nd February 1989    10:00 a.m.

     ATTENDING:
     _________

       Don Daniels
       Mort Sternheim
       Mark Grennan
       Kris Veitch
       Thom Henderson
       Irene Henderson
       Mark Peters
       Dave Melnick
       Robert Rudolph
       Linda Grennan
       David Drexler
       Courtney Harris
       Ted Polczynski

     *****************************************************

     Chairman Pro Tem of meeting Established

     Reports of Officers

     1.   B. Rudolph
     2.   (Don Daniels)
     3.   Secretary
     4.   Treasurer's Report - read by Mark Grennan

          January 1989 report & net message of resignation.

          Item of New Business - Continuing of selling software?

          B. Rudolph moves to accept Steve Bonine resignation
          and it was seconded.  Accept his resignation with
          condition of all required document and/or
          ledgers/records.  Carried.

     5.   Report from Secretary - Report read and accepted.

     6.   Ray Gwinn - resigned, no report


     FidoNews 6-32                Page 14                   7 Aug 1989


     STANDING COMMITTEE REPORTS
     __________________________

     1.   Executive Committee

     2.   Administrative & Finance

     3.   Nomination & Elections

     4.   By Laws & Rules Committee

     5.   Technical Standards

     6.   Publications

     7.   International Affairs

     8.   Membership Services

     8a.  Membership Data Base


     DIVISIONAL REPORTS
     __________________

      Courtney Harris - Division 10 - Commented that sysops in
      this division feel empathy.  Need to improve IFNA image.
      Must stop internal bickering and get something done.
      Report accepted.


      Irene Henderson - Division 13 - Letter of Resignation
      from Rick Siegel - Call to administer FidoNet & do something
      constructive.  Will is to stay on Publication Committee
      if Board so desires.  Report accepted.

      Mark Peters (alternate) - Division 11 - no report

      Bill Bolton - Division 12 - not in attendance, no
      report, written or verbal.

      Ken Kaplan - Division 14 - No report

      Scott Miller - Division 15 - Not represented.

      Division 16 - Everything doing fine

      Division 17 - None

      Division 18 - None

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 15                   7 Aug 1989


      David Drexler - Division 19 - Sysops are
      dissatisfied, IFNA members are very active and willing
      to work.  SW Bell Affair - Houston/San Antonio -
      tariff situation w/BBS - business rates (& explanation
      of the problem).  Report accepted.

     Ethics Committee - Ivan Schaeffel, Chairman

      M. Grennan submitted document for review and revision -
      no action has been taken.  Ivan believes no ethic
      document needed.  Mort - suggest document go to
      Executive Committee - maybe item for new business.  No
      official report.

     Public Affairs - David Drexler

      Set up Fido Con 88 - IFNA; OUTREACH - (Echo name);
      Educating Public - Charitable Organization - Sysoping -
      BBS'ing, etc.

      A.   Public Relation Project - Servicemen letters Tinker
           AFB - including TV interview with KTVY; intend to
           start earlier next year - possibly putting out PR
           list.

      B.   Guideline for donation for handicap sysops.
           (Blind, deaf, etc.)

      C.   "Snail Mail" and office calls
           Greg Trotter - Mail
           David Drexler - Phone Call
           Mark G. - (a) setting up point system with PC
           Users Group; (b) Talking Dog for handicapped
           sysops; (c) Olympic Festival

      Oklahoma TDD Project - Toshiba 1000 and modem - "large
      screen TDD".  Report concluded.  Report accepted and
      seconded.

     Don Daniels, Acting Chair - Bylaws election - Information Report

     Report from: Curtis Stebbins, CPA

      Postage:
                43  Foreign              $    56.76
                12  Canada                    14.16
                196 USA                      205.80
                205 Return Envelopes          51.25

                Handling Charge               32.34
                Duplication Costs            431.25
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 16                   7 Aug 1989


                Envelopes                     40.00

                Professional                 618.00
                                         ----------

                                         $ 1,449.46


      Acting Chairman recommends to pay above bill.  Don reports on
      problems of bylaws election - written report - verbal
      also given.

        66 Ballots received & Counted
        72 Total received
         5 Complaints received on Foreign ballots not arriving on time

      Courtney Harris, in reference to the results on election moved
      to accept results.  Seconded by Dave Melnick.  Amends - election
      results be accepted procedurally.

     T. Henderson - Legal Review

      Privileged motion tabled and seconded by Courtney
      Harris

           4 Opposed
           9 For

      Motion to accept results of election upon Legal review:

           2   Yes
           11  No              Failed

      Item tabled.
      ______________

     Other Items of Old Business

      Ethics Committee - Ethics Document

     New Business

      T. Henderson, on behalf of member(s), motioned to amend agenda
      to disband under treasurer and to dispose of assets in
      accordance with articles and order secretary to file necessary
      papers with state of Missouri.

      Vote called for:

            0   Yes
           10   No
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 17                   7 Aug 1989


            3   Abstain (Irene, Tom, Dave Davidson)   Failed.


     A.  (Agenda Item) Statement of Purpose - M.G. a single
         vision to unite organization (in a 3-sentence
         statement) should have:

              a.   What do you hope to accomplish?
              b.   How to accomplish it?
              c.   Who does it benefit?

         Tabled after initial discussions.


     B.  Two proposals for Fido News Policy
              a.   Mort Sternheim
              b.   David Drexler
              c. From Pub. Report (Status Quo)

         Don Daniels motion to table to breakout committee,
         seconded Mort Sternheim (refer an at large) Authors
         should be included.

         Tabled.

     C.  IFNA - Oklahoma City Office and proposal - motion M.G.
         and seconded by David Drexler.

         Kris Veitch has agreed to let us use part of his office.

         Hospital - printing business card free - it is a non-
         profit hospital.

         Fund-raising/educational proposal presented.
         amended - take out expected $100.00 expense limit.
         Unanimous vote - Yes.

         Office expenses approved at $100.00 per month with
         receipts.

         Multiple Fund Raisers Proposal by David Drexler tabled for
         later discussion.

     BIX - Accounting Procedures - see packet information (it was
         noted that there was concern that BIX won't push paid
         BIX accounts)

         D. Daniels motion to accept procedure, seconded.  Vote
         carried 12 for and 1 Abstained.

         Executive Committee shall approve application - Committee
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 18                   7 Aug 1989


         members can apply if such use can be justified as this is
         not limited to BOD Members.

     Treasurer - Appointment of such

      Motion for Kris Veitch to be nominated as Treasurer by
      Courtney Harris, seconded by Mort

      Secretary established Kris as Treasurer

     Election of Chairman of Board -

      Suggested that:

      A.   Chairman be able to moderate electronics sessions
           effectively

      B.   Rudolph open floor to nomiations for Chairman

           1.   Thom Henderson nominates Irene H., D. Melnick
                seconded.

           2.   Mort nominates D. Daniels - Don asked not be
                considered

           3.   D. Daniels nominates Mort Sternheim, C. Harris
                seconded

           Dave Davidson motioned that nominations close,
           Kris seconded

           After short speeches by candidates, Mort elected.

     VPTC - Ben Baker nominated by I. Henderson, Wm Burnhoff
          nominated by Thom Henderson.  Item tabled by D. Daniels
          and seconded by L. Grennan.  Vote carried. Tabled.

     Secretary Position

      Linda Grennan abstained from voting.

      C. Harris motioned move to accept David Garrett
      resignation as secretary.

      Irene nominates L. Grennan, C. Harris seconded.  Close
      nominations.

      Linda Grennan established as Secretary.

     DAK Agreement

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 19                   7 Aug 1989


      Letter of understanding between DAK and IFNA described.

      - Is not definite that nodelist agreement will be dropped.

      - Courtney states he will abstain on any vote pertaining to DAK

      - C. H.: $30,000 was donated to American Cancer Society (from
        sales of nodelist package)

      - C. H.: 30,000 copies have been distributed

      - C. H.: Possible 5% to go back to IFNA

      - D. Daniels - Stated Executive Committee previously decided not
       to pursue money issue.

      - D. Daniels read letter of understanding for discussion.

      - Executive Committee directed to resolve mailing out
        copies of nodelist received by IFNA generated by DAK ad.

     Courtney Harris - Proposals

      1) DAK - 10% from Nodelist deal to be investigated.

      2) FAX Board - Retail $229.00 - propose do a pamphlet with
         possibly 10 items available to IFNA and Fidonet members

         T. Henderson motion to move it to Membership Services
         for consideration, seconded by Mark Peters, vote carried.

      3) Image files attach to messages CGA or VGA image -
         public protocol to possible be set.

         Sent to Committee.

     D. Daniels said it has been suggested electronic ballots to be
     sent to redistribution points (in the future) - Bill Bolton
     and Henk Wevers.  Problem here with current bylaws, however.

     Bylaws Election Voted on an accepted with reservations due to
     the overseas problems.  D. Daniels abstained
     D. Daniels reported results of voting of Bylaws Election:


      (DEF=Definition)

        ITEM---VOTE     ITEM---VOTE     ITEM---VOTE     ITEM---VOTE

        DEF.01  No      DEF.02  Yes     DEF.03  Yes     DEF.04  Yes
        DEF.05  Yes     DEF.06  Yes     01.01   Yes     01.02   Yes
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 20                   7 Aug 1989


        01.03   No      01.04   No      01.05   No      02/03   Yes
        04      Yes     05      Yes     06      Yes     07      Yes
        09      Yes     10      Yes     11      Yes     12      Yes
        14      Yes     16      Yes     17      Yes     18      Yes
        19      Yes     22      Yes     24.01   Yes     24.02   Yes
        24.03   Yes     24.04   Yes     24.05   Yes     24.06   No
        24.07   No      24.08   Yes     28      Yes     29      Yes
        30      Yes     35.01   Yes     35.02   Yes     39      Yes
        40.01   Yes     40.02   Yes     42      Yes     43      Yes
        44      Yes     45      Yes

      Written Report to be given to Secretary

     Table Article 10 per D. Daniels

     Nodelist Copyright notice - D. Daniels motion it go to ad hoc
     committee, seconded.  So also stated by Chairman Mort Sternheim.
     D. Daniels read suggest change of copyright notice, Mort motioned
     to table copyright notice, vote carried.


     Hobbyist vs Commercial Issues - Discussion of various
     matters.  Sent to committee.


     Statement of Purpose - Discussion

          1.   What do we want to accomplish
          2.   How to accomplish
          3.   For Who's Benefit

     Matter discussed and sent to committee.

     Discussion of V. Division - now 24 directors according
     to new Bylaws.

      BoD is too large and cumbersome.  Sent to
      Bylaws and N&Elections committees for recommendations.

     Meeting adjourned until next day.


     Sunday February 19, 1989    Meeting Reconvened

     New Business

      Discussed Fido Con - FidoCon expense. Proposal submitted
      by D. Drexler.  Irene amended suggestion that all of
      IFNA existing bills be paid first before any money
      issued to Fidod Con.

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 21                   7 Aug 1989


       T. Henderson - amendment to 1/2 of treasury not to
       exceed $2,000 - seconded by D. Melnick

       Motion was carried and adopted.

      Motion to have Bylaws accepted from recent election and placed
      into effect.  Motion carried.

     Readdressed:

     Creation of Statement of Purpose - Dave

      Proposed sentence:

      The purpose of IFNA is to promote electronic
      communications by the dissemination and advancement of
      Fidonet Technology.

      Irene motioned to accept and seconded by Kris Veitch.

      Motion to accept Statement carried unanimously.

     Appointment of VPTC
     ___________________

      Both B. Baker and William Burhoff declined nomination; C.
      Harris nominated Bill Bolton and seconded by D.
      Davidson; T. Henderson nominated Bob Hartman.
      Nominations closed.

      Discussion of nominations.  Bylaw 29 read (revised) by Irene.

      Bolton elected.

     Motion - Kris Veitch

      K. V. - that if both VPTC candidates decline, Executive
      Committee will decide, seconded.

      Motion carried

     Nodelist Copyright -

      Kris V. - IFNA hereby grant to operation of systems
      Fido Net technology a limited license to use FidoNet
      nodelist in the operation of their system. (get with T.
      on a wording), seconded by T. Henderson.  Call for vote

           2 obstained (Ted being one)
           Motion carried

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 22                   7 Aug 1989


      D. Daniels - amend to add "FidoNet is trademark of Tom
      Jennings", seconded by Irene.

      C. Harris felt it was a mistake that IFNA doesn't
      control the nodelist on behalf of FidoNet sysops and plans to
      enter motion later to get that back.

      Call for vote.  Passed

     By-Laws Amendments and Changes

      Voting Division - D. Daniels, seconded C. Harris
      (resolution 5.77 annual fee, Kris called for reading
      ___ large ballot)

      Due to the fact that our Bylaws require that we send ballot via
      postal mail to all members; that it would not be fair for
      regular dues paying members to underwrite all the potential
      at-large members for which no dues are presently established;
      and that the BoD is empowered by the Bylaws to set membership
      fees, the BoD hereby establishes an annual processing fee of
      $5.77 (actual cost of the last ballot) for applicants for
      at-large membership.

            Call for vote
            Passed.

      Official communications of the Board of Directors or Executive
      Committee may be presented, in lieu of written form as called
      for within these bylaws, through electronic means, providing
      such means are secure and their authenticity verifiable.

        Call for vote
        Passed.

      Any elected or appointed official may be removed for failure
      to adequately perform the assigned duties as defined by the
      Board of Directors.

      (a) The Chairman of the Board of Directors may recommend the
      removal of an appointed official to the Board of Directors.
      The removal will be effective upon a majority vote of those
      voting at a properly convened meeting of the Board or by
      electronic mail or by postal mail.

      (b) The Executive Committee may recommend the removal of a
      Director or elected official to the Board of Directors.
      The removal will be effective upon a majority vote of those
      voting at a properly convened meeting of the Board or by
      electronic mail or by postal mail.

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 23                   7 Aug 1989


          Call for vote
          Passed.


      An Alternate replacing a Director temporarily or permanently
      assumes the seat on the Board of Directors but no other
      elected or appointed position.

        Call for vote
        Passed.


     T. Henderson - motion to direct Treasurer to pay CPA
      bill for election, seconded; vote - motion
      carried;

     Next Meeting - Fido Con 89 unless it doesn't happen -
      C. Harris seconded by M. Grennan.  At Fido Con exact
      time to be specified later and BOD be notified -
      approved.

      C. H. motioned, seconded M.G. to adjourn to next
      meeting - vote unanimous

      Meeting closed.


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     FidoNews 6-32                Page 24                   7 Aug 1989


     Don Daniels, Voting Member
     (at the request of Bob Rudolph, Chairman)
     1:107/210

                        Executive Committee Report

     The question of at-large memberships has been brought up recently
     by several individuals who have wondered why no provision was
     made for them in the current elections.  This report attempts to
     explain that, though you will find that it is a complicated
     and unfortunate matter.

     First of all, it makes sense to look at the bylaw amendment on
     which the whole problem is based:

      1 f) At-Large Member.  To be eligible, an applicant: must be the
           system operator in good standing of a PUBLIC ACCESS node;
           must have been listed in the FIDONET NODELIST for 180 days
           prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING;  is entitled to
           one vote for the election of the At-Large Members of the
           Board of Directors only.

     While we're at it, three more bylaws (or portions thereof) will
     also come into play so let's list them here:

      4. Annual Fees
         b) The annual membership fees shall be set by the Board of
            Directors.

     13. The Nominations and Elections Committee shall arrange to
         have a certified public accountant receive and collate all
         mail BALLOTS received prior to the ANNUAL MEETING, and to be
         responsible for the receipt, tabulation and verification of
         all BALLOTS cast before the close of voting...

     11. ... At least forty (40) days prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP
         MEETING the Secretary ... shall send to every voting member,
         ... a ballot ...

         Note that "BALLOT" is defined:  "BALLOT: A paper listing of
         all candidates for office and issues requiring a vote...".

     [Complete text of the IFNA Articles of Association and Bylaws are
     available for file request as BYLAWS.ARC from 1:107/210.]

     This last bylaw (11) has a very significant impact on this entire
     matter as it requires IFNA to send a ballot (via postal mail) to
     every at-large member, which could conceivably run into the
     thousands.  The Board of Directors was very conscious that it
     would truly be unfair for the dues of the regular members to be
     utilized to pay for the handling of the ballots of those that
     were unwilling to pay the US$25.

     FidoNews 6-32                Page 25                   7 Aug 1989


     Although it may indeed have been the author's original intent
     that this bylaw amendment would result in no dues being required
     for at-large members and in the at-large member being totally
     responsible for any and all costs associated with handling of the
     ballots, no provision was made for such eventualities in the new
     bylaw itself.  The Board was therefore forced to act within the
     bounds of what was actually written.

     Accordingly, the Board in the Meeting in St. Louis, voted in a
     annual at-large membership fee that would cover all the costs of
     preparing, mailing, and processing a ballot.  In determining the
     amount of this fee, the Board simply chose to utilize the actual,
     per-ballot cost incurred during the most recent election, which
     was US$5.77 for the election completed last January.

     From the very first line of Bylaw 1-f it is obvious that an
     individual must make an application to become an at-large member
     of IFNA.  Such application is based upon the requirement (among
     others) that said applicant "must have been listed in the FIDONET
     NODELIST for 180 days prior to the ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING".
     Now this is not at all explicit in its meaning and has been the
     subject of considerable debate regarding its intended and legal
     interpretations.

     The IFNA BoD discussed this aspect at some length in its meeting
     in February and the Executive Committee has recently been in
     touch with IFNA's legal counsel for his opinion on the matter,
     with the result that it is understood that the intent would be
     expected to be inferred to mean the 180 CONSECUTIVE days
     immediately prior to the actual day on which the annual
     membership meeting takes place.  The convincing argument for this
     point is that if there were to be an interpretation to the
     contrary, then ANY 180 days would suffice and there would be no
     relevancy in even mentioning the annual membership meeting.

     The Board of Directors was aware of this interpretation in
     February, and had realized that there was a significant problem
     in that the upcoming election would be completed some days prior
     to the annual membership meeting, with the result that it was
     therefore expected that no application could legally be made that
     would allow participation of any at-large member in that
     election.  Accordingly, [and, I personally believe, in concert
     with the general feeling of the Board members by that time that
     FidoNet Sysops as a whole had basically chosen, explicitly or
     implicitly, that IFNA was not to have any involvement with the
     Administration of FidoNet and that there was therefore no need of
     having an at-large membership category] no further action was
     taken on the matter.

     However, there has come to light a loophole in the above
     thinking.  You see, due to requirements that the ballot be
     received by a CPA and the difficulties IFNA has had in obtaining
     such services in the past, it had been assumed that acceptance of
     ballots by other than mail would not legally be providable during
     this election.  As it turned out, the Nominations and Elections
     Committee was fortunate to arrange for the services of CPA Robert
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 26                   7 Aug 1989


     C. Halvorsen????? who will be attending FidoCon '89, so the rules
     for this election do provide for ballots to be submitted by hand
     at FidoCon until Noon on Friday, August 25.

     Because the nodelist (89237) which covers the final two days
     prior to the annual membership meeting will have been released
     earlier that morning, it is then theoretically possible that
     someone might be able to satisfy the 180 day requirement that
     morning, qualify to be an at-large member in all other respects,
     and therefore submit an application, membership fee, and ballot
     prior to the Noon deadline.  However, the fact that the IFNA
     administrators who presently handle membership applications will
     not be attending FidoCon (due to personal reasons) still
     complicates this whole possibility.

     Note that in any event, it would still be impossible for those
     potential at-large members wishing to submit ballots by mail, to
     do so and meet the 180 day requirement as the published deadline
     for mail-in ballots is Noon on Thursday, August 24, which is
     prior to the final required Nodelist publication date.

     Therefore, it is now the decision of the Executive Committee that
     the BoD's original assessment that no at-large members would be
     legally allowed to participate in this election still stands, in
     terms of all mail-in ballots.  As to any ballots from potential
     at-large members hand delivered to the appropriate receiving
     point at FidoCon prior to the Noon, Friday, August 25 deadline,
     such ballots would be considered valid provided they are
     accompanied by an official IFNA membership application form
     marked "At-large Member" (applications are available in the back
     of most issues of FidoNews), the fee of US$5.77 (note that this
     fee also provides for a(ny) ballot(s) to be sent during the
     coming year), and supporting documention to demonstrate that the
     applicant meets the requirements of at-large membership,
     including being a System Operator in good standing of a public
     access node and the inclusion, without break (yes, we are aware
     that that may prove neither fair nor the intent, but we have been
     advised that it is the present legal interpretation) of their
     name in all nodelists from 89055 through 89237.

     Note that anyone who is interested in becoming an at-large member
     of IFNA for the 1989-1990 time frame must meet the qualifications
     stated in the previous paragraph and should send their
     application to the address provided on the application once it
     has been established that they qualify for such membership.

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     FidoNews 6-32                Page 27                   7 Aug 1989


     Nominations and Elections Committee
     1:107/233

              Report from Nominations and Elections Committee

     As indicated in a previous report, the committee is presenting
     statements from those individuals who have expressed interest in
     serving FidoNet as Directors of IFNA.  The committee has not
     validated any of the material in these reports.  If you are
     interested in serving on the BoD but your statement has not
     appeared herein, please forward it to 1:107/210 immediately.

     The following statement has been edited by the committee to
     meet established size constraints; for full text see IFNA Echo
     Conference.

     ================================================================

     FABIAN GORDON

     I always felt that IFNA should play an important role  - a role
     not solely directed at one particular group or class of people,
     but rather anyone who wanted or needed it.  What we all have to
     remember is that IFNA was originally designed as the guiding
     force behind FidoNet, with many meaningful goals and intentions.
     I still believe in this, which is why I originally joined IFNA
     and recently volunteered to represent my fellow SysOp on its
     board of directors.

     We ALL have one problem, and that is that we do not have
     some central force behind our efforts, holding our hands and
     advising us of what our technical and legal liabilities and
     concerns are.  I firmly believe that IFNA can be such a force.

     [Therefore], the major factors in my interest in becoming an IFNA
     representative are:

     1. To promote the interests and activities of our fellow SysOps
        to the community at large.  Let's all show them how WE can
        help change their lives.

     2. To promote and ease the peaceful coexistence of our brother
        networks, who are also trying to do what we do.

     3. To continuously expand the meaningfulness and integrity of our
        communications and our technology.

     4. To provide an oasis of technological, legal, and social
        assistance for ALL SysOps, regardless of network affiliation.

     5. To provide an mechanism whereby all SysOps can unite and
     FidoNews 6-32                Page 28                   7 Aug 1989


        provide a powerful force which will fight for our rights and
        privileges.

     Fabian Gordon, NC: FidoNet 1:107, AlterNet 520, GoodEggNet 9230

     ================================================================

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            OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

     Mort Sternheim 1:321/109  Chairman of the Board
     Bob Rudolph    1:261/628  President
     Matt Whelan    3:3/1      Vice President
     Bill Bolton    3:711/403  Vice President-Technical Coordinator
     Linda Grennan  1:147/1    Secretary
     Kris Veitch    1:147/30   Treasurer


            IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS

     Administration and Finance     Mark Grennan    1:147/1
     Board of Directors             Mort Sternheim  1:321/109
     Bylaws                         Don Daniels     1:107/210
     Ethics                         Vic Hill        1:147/4
     Executive Committee            Bob Rudolph     1:261/628
     International Affairs          Rob Gonsalves   2:500/1
     Membership Services            David Drexler   1:147/47
     Nominations & Elections        David Melnick   1:107/233
     Public Affairs                 David Drexler   1:147/47
     Publications                   Rick Siegel     1:107/27
     Security & Individual Rights   Jim Cannell     1:143/21
     Technical Standards            Rick Moore      1:115/333


                      IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

         DIVISION                               AT-LARGE

     10  Courtney Harris   1:102/732    Don Daniels     1:107/210
     11  Bill Allbritten   1:11/301     Mort Sternheim  1:321/109
     12  Bill Bolton       3:711/403    Mark Grennan    1:147/1
     13  Irene Henderson   1:107/9       (vacant)
     14  Ken Kaplan        1:100/22     Ted Polczyinski 1:154/5
     15  Scott Miller      1:128/12     Matt Whelan     3:3/1
     16  Ivan Schaffel     1:141/390    Robert Rudolph  1:261/628
     17  Neal Curtin       1:343/1      Steve Jordan    1:206/2871
     18  Andrew Adler      1:135/47     Kris Veitch     1:147/30
     19  David Drexler     1:147/47      (vacant)
      2  Henk Wevers       2:500/1      David Melnik    1:107/233

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                                                        __
                                   The World's First   /  \
                                      BBS Network     /|oo \
                                      * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
     FidoCon '89 in San Jose, California              _`@/_ \    _
       at The Holiday Inn Park Plaza                 |     | \   \\
            August 24-27, 1989                       | (*) |  \   ))
                                        ______       |__U__| /  \//
                                       / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                                      (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)


                     R E G I S T R A T I O N   F O R M


     Name:    _______________________________________________________

     Address:    ____________________________________________________

     City:    _______________________ State: ____ Zip: ______________

     Country:    ____________________________________________________


     Phone Numbers:

     Day:    ________________________________________________________

     Evening:    ____________________________________________________

     Data:    _______________________________________________________


     Zone:Net/
     Node.Point:  ___________________________________________________

     Your BBS Name:  ________________________________________________


     BBS Software:  _____________________ Mailer: ___________________

     Modem Brand:  _____________________ Speed:  ____________________

     At what hotel will you be staying:  ____________________________

     Do you want an in room point?  (Holiday Inn only) ______________

     Are you a Sysop?  _____________

     Are you an IFNA Member?  ______

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     Additional Guests:  __________
     (not attending conferences)

     Do you have any special requirements? (Sign Language translation,
     handicapped, etc.)

               ______________________________________________________


     Comments: ______________________________________________________

               ______________________________________________________

               ______________________________________________________


     Costs                                   How Many?   Cost
     ---------------------------             --------    -------

     Conference fee $60 .................... ________    _______
        ($75.00 after July 15)

     Friday Banquet  $30.00 ................ ________    _______

                                             ========    =======

     Totals ................................ ________    _______

     You may pay by Check,  Money Order,  or Credit Card.  Please send
     no  cash.   All monies must be in U.S.  Funds.   Checks should be
     made out to: "FidoCon '89"


     This form should be completed and mailed to:

                         Silicon Valley FidoCon '89
                         PO Box 390770
                         Mountain View, CA 94039


     You may register by Netmailing this completed form to 1:1/89  for
     processing.   Rename  it  to  ZNNNXXXX.REG where Z is  your  Zone
     number, N is your Net number, and X is your Node number.  US Mail
     confirmation  is  required  within  72  hours  to  confirm   your
     registration.

     If  you are paying by credit card,  please include the  following
     information.   For  your own security,  do not route any  message
     with your credit card number on it.  Crash it directly to 1:1/89.


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     Master Card _______     Visa ________


     Credit Card Number _____________________________________________


     Expiration Date ________________________________________________

     Signature ______________________________________________________

     No  credit  card registrations will be accepted without  a  valid
     signature.


     Rooms  at the Holiday Inn may be reserved by calling the Hotel at
     408-998-0400,  and mentioning that you are with  FidoCon.   Rooms
     are $60.00 per night double occupancy.   Additional rollaways are
     available  for $10.00 per night.   To obtain these rates you must
     register before July 15.

     The official FidoCon '89 airline is American Airlines.   You  can
     receive  either  a  5%  reduction in supersaver fares  or  a  40%
     reduction in the regular day coach fare.  San Jose is an American
     Airlines  hub  with direct flights to most  major  cities.   When
     making reservations, you must call American's reservation number,
     800-433-1790, and reference Star number S0289VM.

     The official FidoCon '89 automobile rental agency is Alamo Rent a
     Car.  Rates are as described below. All rates  include  automatic
     transmission, air conditioning, radio, and unlimited mileage.

     Economy car (example: Geo Metro)  $32 day/$109 week.
     Compact car (example: Chevy Cavalier) $34 day/$120 week.
     Midsize car (example: Pontiac Grand Am) $36 day/$135 week.
     Standard car (example: Buick Regal) $38 day/$165 week.
     Luxury car (example: Buick LeSabre) $40 day/$239 week.

     To take advantage of this rate, call Alamo at 1-800-327-9633  and
     request  the convention rate. Mention FidoCon '89,  the  location
     and dates.


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                 The World's First   /  \
                    BBS Network     /|oo \
                    * FidoNet *    (_|  /_)
                                    _`@/_ \    _
                                   |     | \   \\
                                   | (*) |  \   ))
                      ______       |__U__| /  \//
                     / Fido \       _//|| _\   /
                    (________)     (_/(_|(____/ (tm)

            Membership for the International FidoNet Association

     Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
     pays  a  specified  annual   membership  fee.   IFNA  serves  the
     international  FidoNet-compatible  electronic  mail  community to
     increase worldwide communications.

     Member Name _______________________________  Date _______________
     Address _________________________________________________________
     City ____________________________________________________________
     State ________________________________  Zip _____________________
     Country _________________________________________________________
     Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
     Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________

     Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
     BBS Name ________________________________________________________
     BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
     Baud Rates Supported ____________________________________________
     Board Restrictions ______________________________________________

     Your Special Interests __________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
     _________________________________________________________________
     _________________________________________________________________
     Send this membership form and a check or money order for $25 in
     US Funds to:
                   International FidoNet Association
                   PO Box 41143
                   St Louis, Missouri 63141
                   USA

     Thank you for your membership!  Your participation will help to
     insure the future of FidoNet.

     Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
     and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the
     membership in January 1987.  The second elected Board of Directors
     was filled in August 1988.  The IFNA Echomail Conference has been
     established on FidoNet to assist the Board.  We welcome your
     input to this Conference.

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