     Volume 6, Number 46                              13 November 1989
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     Editor in Chief:                                  Vince Perriello
     Editors Emeritii:                                     Dale Lovell
                                                        Thom Henderson
     Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                       Tom Jennings
     
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                        Table of Contents
     1. ARTICLES  .................................................  1
        And then there was.....GONG  ..............................  1
        HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update)  .........................  5
     2. LATEST VERSIONS  ..........................................  8
        Latest Software Versions  .................................  8
     3. NOTICES  .................................................. 11
        The Interrupt Stack  ...................................... 11
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                                 ARTICLES
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                      And then there was.....GONG
                         Bob Moravsik 1:269/107

     I want to start out by encouraging all the voters to  vote  NO
     in the IFNA non-binding referendum. Why ?  Why  give  DEATHNET
     any encouragement? In FIDONEWS 6-45 the "proposed" BYLAWS  and
     "policies" were first shown. While reading them  I  noticed  a
     loud noise every few pages similar to the noise  we  all  hear
     when we watch "Current Events". I thought I'd share my "gongs"
     with you.

     Where and when will meetings be  held  ?

     GONG!

     Wherever  and whenever the BOD wants them!

     Who votes?

     GONG!

     The holders of these three year  proxies,  whoever  they  are,
     they reappear in Article III Section 4 as the  "holders  of  a
     majority of all membership votes" !!!!!


     Is the membership list available ?

     GONG!

     Only for 10 days before the meeting, then tough!

     Can members call special meeting ?

     GONG!

     Yes, but it takes 10%, Missouri Law lets this  go  to  as  low
     as 50

     Are voting results published ?

     GONG!

     Nope, they still stay hidden!  This  is  one  of  the  biggest
     problems with the DEATHNET group. SECRECY!

     FidoNews 6-46                Page 2                   13 Nov 1989


     Do you get notice of meetings?

     GONG!

     Yep, as short as ten days,  then  the  "vote  holder"  of  the
     proxies, swoops in and declares a "mandate". Beginning to  see
     a pattern, HUH !!!!!

     Why six directors ?

     GONG!

     Suspect the CHAIRPERSON will vote and he/she doesn't  have  to
     even be a member !!!. More patterns, HUH !!!


     Article III Section 4..

     Who is the "holder of a  majority  of  all  membership  votes"?

     GONG!

     Let's refer to them as THE  DICTATOR.  And  you  thought  this
     was DEMOCRATIC ?????


     Ya learned huh ! OK How many Directors are there?

     GONG!

     As many as the BOD wants (Section III.5.) Fooled ya!


     Must the CHAIRPERSON be a member?

     GONG!

     Nope, note the existing Chair is not even a SYSOP!

     Did YOU elect this CHAIRPERSON ?

     GONG!

     Nope.

     Is there an "Independent Judiciary" ?

     GONG!

     Nope. The independant judiciary is hiding right  next  to  the
     FIDOCON 89 vote counts !!!

     FidoNews 6-46                Page 3                   13 Nov 1989


     Are the BYLAWS for real ?

     GONG!

     Nope, Read Article XI, they can  be  changed  at  will  !!!!!.
     FOOLED YA, HUH? It's like reading instructions then  the  last
     instructions says "ignore what you just read !!!!"


     What's a "Local organization", Article XII sec 1?

     GONG!

     Whatever it is, you can be sure  it  will  conflict  with  the
     national organization. At last we found the ray of revolution.
     DEATHNET is a "local organization" and we see what it can  do.
     Is this the "seed" for an Zone x  organization  ?????.  Wonder
     how this NEW provision is related to the  YPOP  proposal  GONG
     GONG on this!


     POLICY 5

     Now the policy...well what is this "Supplement" ?

     GONG!

     It's the way that DEATHNET can keep the nodes  in  line.  Real
     DEMOCRATIC !!!

     Does a node have to adhere to policy?

     GONG!

     Nope, except for the techie stuff, see Art IV  they  must  know
     their A B C's.


     Is it POLICY 3 or POLICY 4 ?

     GONG!  GONG!  GONG!
     Note Section VI, paragraph 2. if  policy  5  is  not  ratified
     then it is not in effect BUT it "somehow" rises from the ashes
     and raises back Policy  3  ????,  3  guesses  who  likes  this
     provision!!! As to being related to reality !!!

     SUMMARY

     These  documents   are   about   as   DEMOCRATIC   as   CUBA's
     Constitution. ALL THE POWER is in the hands of the BOD. BYLAWS
     once passed should not  be  easy  to  change.  Proxies  should
     expire after the meeting they were given for. Meetings  of  an
     International Organization  should  have  more  then  10  days
     notice. Policies on a local level should NEVER  conflict  with
     International Policies. AND ABOVE ALL, THIS  ENTIRE  PROCEDURE
     SHOULD NOT BE USED AS A MASK TO REINSTATE POLICY 3.
     FidoNews 6-46                Page 4                   13 Nov 1989


     And for the REAL kicker,  don't  you  find  it  TRULY  AMAZING
     that the Chairman of the  International  Fidonet  Association,
     the organization that wants to rewrite and establish the RULES
     and REGULATIONS for Fidonet, IS NOT A MEMBER OF  FIDONET.  Try
     playing the latest craze in Parlor Games, "Find  Henderson  in
     the Nodelist"! It's like Gorbachev saying he wants to rewrite
     the US Constitution.

     I STRONGLY urge you to  vote  NO  and  keep  the  status  quo.
     Reject the recent BYLAW changes and write them off as the work
     of ARROGANTS who must be shown that the  SYSOPS  will  not  be
     fooled by this stuff.

     You have a node number, a set of rules, and a worldwide network
     to belong to. It works. Don't be fooled into "fixing" it. Let's
     work on changing Policy 4, or implementing a new policy. Let's
     have what happens to Fidonet be the result of the PEOPLE in it,
     not the doings on an mis- directed group that thrives on power
     and control.

     Sure, IFNA can revolutionize Fidonet. But remember, Castro
     revolutionized Cuba. And now they can't get rid of him.


     Bob Moravsik  1:269/107

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                     HIGH_ED Echo Conference (Update)

     Now available from your NEC/REC by way of the "Backbone."

     The HIGH_ED  conference  is  proving  to  be  one  of the fastest
     growing new echo's  in the country.  As such, it is now available
     on the "backbone." Alternate  routes  are available for those who
     are unable to get the echo through their NEC due to compatibility
     problems  (specifically  Mac  systems  who  are   having  trouble
     communicating with some of the non-Mac systems).

     ***********************************
     HIGH_ED Echo Conference
     ***********************************

     This echo is being developed for the primary purpose of providing
     Students,  Staff  and  Faculty of "Higher Educational" facilities
     across the nation a forum for the discussion of  subjects related
     to Higher Education.

     Although  the  intent  of  this echo is to service the  needs  of
     Students, Staff  and  Faculty, everyone is welcome to participate
     in or initiate  discussions  related  to  Higher  Education.  For
     example, a person might wish to ask a question about a particular
     institution that he/she is thinking  about  enrolling  at  in the
     future.  The subject matter is  wide open so it will be up to the
     participants to keep the ball rolling on this echo.

     The only restrictions that presently apply to  the  use  of  this
     echo are:  The language used must be  clean  and  the discussions
     legal.

     FOR THE RECORD:

     The  "HIGH_ED" Conference echo is presently being carried by  the
     following nodes:

     11/301  107/240 108/111 138/116 157/520 233/5   233/6   233/8
     233/12  233/13  233/15  233/69  237/500 237/505 282/22  282/32
     288/528 290/628 301/4   320/450

     Higher Educational Communities presently being served:

      Adelphi University, Garden City, New York
      Anoka-Ramsey Community College, Coon Rapids, Minn.
      Augsburg College, Minneapolis, Minn.
      Bethel College, Arden Hills, Minn.
      Carlelton College, Northfield, Minn.
      College of St. Catherine, St. Paul, Minn.
      Concordia College, St. Paul, Minn.
      Danville Area Community College, Danville, Illinois
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      Des Moines Area Community College, Des Moines, Iowa
      Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa
      Eastern Connecticut State University, Davidson, Conn.
      Eastern Illinois University, Charleston, Illinois
      Eastern Kentucky University, Richmond, Kentucky
      Grandview College, Des Moines, Iowa
      Hamline University, St. Paul, Minn.
      Iowa State (Field Classrooms), Des Moines, Iowa
      Inver Hills Community College, Inver Grove Heights, Minn.
      Macalester College, St. Paul, Minn.
      Minneapolis College of Art & Design, Minneapolis, Minn.
      Murray State University, Murray, Kentucky
      Normandale Community College, Bloomington, Minn.
      Parkland College, Champaign, Illinois
      Pierce Community College, Tacoma, Washington
      Qunibaug Valley Community College, Davidson, Conn.
      Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, Illinois
      St. Olaf College, Northfield, Minn.
      University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
      University of Connecticut, Connecticut
      University of Illinois, Champaign/Urbana, Illinois
      University of Minnesota, Minneapolis-St.Paul, Minn.
      University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico
      William Mitchell College, St. Paul, Minn.
      Youngstown State University, Youngstown, Ohio

     *******************

     HIGH_ED  is  accessible  to  the  non-bbs  educational  community
     through an Internet (BITNET, USENET, CSNET, ARPANET, MILNET, etc)
     mailing  list.   Internet users may subscribe  to  this  echo  by
     sending a request to:

     highed@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu

     *******************

     ATTENTION SYSOPS:

     Any Sysops wishing to carry this echo are  encouraged  to contact
     your NEC.  Any Sysops now carrying the echo and not listed above,
     are encouraged to post a note on the echo telling  me  to add you
     to the list.

     If for some reason you are not able to get HIGH_ED from your NEC,
     you  are    welcome    to  contact  me  directly  to  make  other
     arrangements.


     SPECIAL THANKS
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Thanks to the following for the help they have provided in making
     this one of the fastest growing echos:

     FidoNews 6-46                Page 7                   13 Nov 1989


     Mike Harrell,    288/528
     Tony Austinson,  282/22
     Michael Pester,  290/628
     Joseph Emmanuel, 301/4
     Jerry Syriac,    320/450



     Terry Clabaugh, 233/6
     HIGH_ED Echo Moderator


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                              LATEST VERSIONS
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                          Latest Software Versions

                               MS-DOS Systems
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                           Bulletin Board Software
     Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

     Fido            12q+*  Phoenix         1.3    TBBS           2.1
     Lynx           1.30    QuickBBS       2.04    TComm/TCommNet 3.4
     Kitten         2.16*   RBBS          17.2B*   TPBoard        5.2
     Opus          1.03b+   RBBSmail       17.2*   Wildcat!     2.00P


     Network                Node List              Other
     Mailers     Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities  Version

     BinkleyTerm    2.30    EditNL         4.00    ARC           6.02
     D'Bridge       1.21    MakeNL         2.20    ARCA05        2.01*
     Dutchie       2.90C    ParseList      1.30    ARCmail        2.0
     FrontDoor       2.0    Prune          1.40    ConfMail      4.00
     PRENM          1.47    SysNL          2.65*   EMM           2.02
     SEAdog        4.51b    XlatList       2.90    GROUP         2.16
                            XlaxDiff       2.32    GUS          1.20M*
                            XlaxNode       2.32    LHARC         1.13
                                                   MSG            4.0*
                                                   MSGED         1.99
                                                   PK[UN]ZIP     1.01
                                                   QM             1.0
                                                   QSORT         4.03
                                                   StarLink      1.01*
                                                   TCOMMail       2.2
                                                   TMail         1.12*
                                                   TPBNetEd       3.2
                                                   UFGATE        1.03
                                                   XRS            3.0
                                                   ZmailQ        1.09

                                 Macintosh
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     Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

     Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

     Red Ryder Host   v2.1b3   Macpoint     0.91*  MacArc        0.04
     Mansion            7.12   Tabby         2.1   ArcMac         1.3
     WWIV (Mac)          3.0                       StuffIt       1.51
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                                                   TImport      1.331
                                                   TExport       1.32
                                                   Timestamp      1.6
                                                   Tset           1.3
                                                   Timestart      1.1
                                                   Tally          1.1
                                                   Mehitabel      1.2
                                                   Archie        1.60
                                                   Jennifer   0.25b2g
                                                   Numberizer    1.5c
                                                   MessageEdit    1.0
                                                   Mantissa       1.0
                                                   PreStamp      2.01
                                                   R.PreStamp    2.01
                                                   Saphire       2.1t
                                                   Epistle II    1.01
                                                   Import        2.52
                                                   Export        2.54
                                                   Sundial        2.1
                                                   AreaFix        1.1
                                                   Probe        0.052
                                                   Terminator     1.1
                                                   TMM           4.0b
                                                   UNZIP         1.01*
                                   Amiga
                                   -----

     Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

     Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

     Paragon            1.00+* BinkleyTerm  1.00   AmigArc       0.23
                               TrapDoor     1.11*  booz          1.01
                               WelMat       0.21*  ConfMail      1.10*
                                                   ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                                   Lharc         0.50
                                                   ParseLst      1.30
                                                   PkAX          1.00
                                                   Pktfix        1.01*
                                                   RMB           1.30
                                                   UNzip         0.86
                                                   Zoo           2.00


                                    Atari ST
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     Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailer      Other Utilities

     Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

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     FIDO/FoReM Door    1.1*   BinkleyTerm 1.03g   ConfMail      1.00
     Pandora BBS        2.41c* The BOX     1.10*   ParseList     1.30
     QuickBBS/ST        0.40*                      ARC           5.21
     GS Point           0.61                       TurboArc       1.1
                                                   LHARC         0.40
                                                   PKUNZIP       1.00
                                                   MSGED        1.96S
                                                   SRENUM         6.2
                                                   OMMM          1.40*
                                                   Timestop      1.00


     + Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
     * Recently changed

     Utility authors:  Please help  keep  this  list  up  to  date  by
     reporting  new  versions  to 1:1/1.  It is not our intent to list
     all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

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                                  NOTICES
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                          The Interrupt Stack


     17 Nov 1989
        George Stanislav becomes a United States citizen

     23 Nov 1989
        26th Anniversary of "Dr. Who" - and still going strong

      1 Dec 1989
        Close of local balloting in IFNA plebiscite

      4 Dec 1989
        Local coordinators post final IFNA vote details

     11 Dec 1989
        Deadline for local IFNA vote tally challenges

     15 Dec 1989
        Network Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite to
        Regional Coordinators

     18 Dec 1989
        Regional Coordinators report votes in IFNA plebiscite
        to Zone Coordinators

     22 Dec 1989
        IFNA plebiscite results posted in NODELIST.356

     30 Dec 1989
        Telephone area codes (5, 3 and 0) are abolished in Hong Kong

      1 Feb 1990
        Deadline for IFNA Policy and Bylaws election

      5 Jun 1990
        David Dodell's 33rd Birthday

      5 Oct 1990
        21st Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"


     If you have something which you would like to see on this
     calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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             OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION

     Thom Henderson 1:107/528  Chairman of the Board
     Les Kooyman    1:204/501  President
     Fabian Gordon  1:107/323  Vice President
     Bill Bolton    3:3/0      Vice President-Technical Coordinator
     Kris Veitch    1:147/30   Secretary
     Kris Veitch    1:147/30   Treasurer


                      IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS

     Administration and Finance   *
     By-laws and Rules            John Roberts     1:385/49
     Executive Committee (Pres)   Les Kooyman      1:204/501
     International Affairs        *
     Membership Services          Jim Vaughan      1:226/300
     Nominations and Elections    Steve Bonine     1:1/0
     Public Affairs               David Drexler    1:147/30.20
     Publications                 Irene Henderson  1:107/9
     Technical Standards          Rick Moore       1:115/333
     Ethics                       *
     Security and Privacy         *
     Grievances                   *

         * Position in abeyance pending reorganization


                          IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS

        DIVISION                               AT-LARGE
     10 Courtney Harris  1:102/732   Don Daniels      1:107/210
     11 John Rafuse      1:12/700    Phil Buonomo     1:107/583
     12 Bill Bolton      3:711/403   Mark Hawthorne   1:107/238
     13 Fabian Gordon    1:107/323   Tom Jennings     1:125/111
     14 Ken Kaplan       1:100/22    Irene Henderson  1:107/509
     15 Kevin McNeil     1:128/45    Steve Jordan     1:206/2871
     16 Ivan Schaffel    1:141/390   Robert Rudolph   1:261/628
     17 Kathi Crockett   1:134/30    Dave Melnik      1:107/233
     18 Andrew Adler     1:135/47    Jim Hruby        1:107/536
     19 Kris Veitch      1:147/30    Burt Juda        1:107/528
      2 Henk Wevers      2:500/1     Karl Schinke     1:107/516
      3 Matt Whelan      3:54/99     John Roberts     1:147/14

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