F I D O  N E W S --         |        Vol. 8 No. 26 (1 July 1991)
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       (_/(_|(____/         |          Tim Pozar
             (jm)           |
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                          Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL  .....................................................  1
   Editorial from afar (temporally)  ..............................  1
2. FIDONET NEWS  ..................................................  2
3. ARTICLES  ......................................................  3
   Grandparents Echo  .............................................  3
   A New Echomail Hub System - A Proposal  ........................  3
   A Fort Worth Update  ...........................................  5
   What? Another article on elections?  ...........................  7
   A Word from the Bible - Peter's Conversion  ....................  8
4. RANTS AND FLAMES  .............................................. 10
5. CLASSIFIEDS  ................................................... 11
6. NOTICES  ....................................................... 12
   A_THEIST Echo now available  ................................... 12
   The Interrupt Stack  ........................................... 13
   Personal Censorship for the offended  .......................... 14
7. LATEST VERSIONS  ............................................... 16
   Latest Software Versions  ...................................... 16
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                              EDITORIAL
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Editorial from afar (temporally)
by Tom Jennings

This is a canned editorial that will repeat every week like a bad cold
unless Tim Pozar stops it. (Written 19 June 91)
[Hmmm... Should I?  -Tim]

I will be out of town until 1 Aug 1991. Tim Pozar is acting as editor
(he's on the masthead, in case you didn't notice). He can be reached
at 1:125/555. Articles etc still go to 1:1/1. Probably most of the
projects I initiated are on hold until I return. 'Salright, we lasted
this long without them.

Hey! Bye! Have a nice trip! (Wait... that's your line!)


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                             FIDONET NEWS
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FidoNetNews -- a weekly section devoted to technical and factual
issues within the FidoNet -- FidoNet Technical Standards Committee
reports, *C reports, information on FidoNet standards documents
and the like.

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                               ARTICLES
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Joe Chamberlain
FidoNet 1:150/175

                        GRANDPARENTS Echo

        GPARENTS was formed to discuss the entire realm of
grandparenting; from being a grandparent, becoming a grandparent,
wishing you were a grandparent and includes 'Honarary'
grandparents as well as everyone who ever had a grandparent. Its
main goal is to present a forum to brag and/or commiserate about
grandchildren, to devise methods for spoiling grandchildren, and
plan for the care and feeding of the future's grandchildren. It
is a place to share the grandparenting experience.

        GPARENTS can be a good companion echo for the PARENTS,
DADS, and MEMORIES echos.  It will offer the parent ideas on how
to cooperate with a bragging grandparent and it can be an
effective source of ideas for grandparenting with your own
grandchildren or other people's grandchildren.

        We would like to have you and your users join us in
becoming more informed about a national pastime.  In the past
month we have extended congratulations to grandparents on new
arrivals, exchanged ideas on activities for grandchildren, and
discussed the difficulties of long-distance grandparenting.
We hope we can offer an important echo to the BBS community.

        If you would like to participate in the echo please
notify:

Ronnie Toth
Moderator GPARENTS
1:135/71

Joe Chamberlain
1:150/175


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Nathan Moschkin
1:109/427.0@fidonet.org

                A New Echomail Hub System - A Proposal

        I was looking at my ^aPATH: lines today and I sadi to myself, THIS
IS CRAZY!  Net 261 is Baltimore, and we are net 109, Washington, DC, which
is the closest major city.  Anyway I had a message in RA_SUPPORT that had
a path like this: 261/1024 13/13 396/1 12/12 13/13 396/1 109/25 40

FidoNews 8-26                  Page 4                       1 Jul 1991


That is wierd.  Now this is going to be a short and sweet one, so here we
go.

We have Zones, then we have regions, then nets then hubs then leafs.  Why
not let every region have a central echomail hub?

Region,13
Hub,13,ProtoStar_Hub
Region,14,
Hub,14,Canada_Hub

Also, every net could have a central echomail "hub".  So my path would
look something like this:

Message from SoandSo in region 18 at 135/4003.  this is how it would go:

135/4003 to his hub.  The from his hub to the net 135 hub (like 135/6000,
or something..)  then from him goes to the regional hub, so:

PATH: 135/4003 400 6000 18/18 13/13 109/25 109/40

So as not to be convoluted like first it goes to the DFF Dutch Mailer in
Holland first.

Here is what would happen for the routing technique:

RA_SUPPORT routed (example only).

135/node1 135/node2 135/node3 135/node4
    |         |         |         |
     - 1000 --           -- 4000 -  (HUBS)
         |                   |
          ------- 6000 ------ (CENTRAL HUB)
                   ||
(REGIONAL) 18/18 --  -- Other HUBS in the net
             |
             1/2(3/4/5/6) - Int'l OGATE
            11/11
            12/12
            13/13 -- Net 109 HUB (109/25) --- Other HUBS --- Leafs
            14/14
            15/15 Etc.


the same thing could be implemented on a zone bases as well.  Send
comments to Nathan Moschkin at 1:109/427.0@fidonet.org (Echolist
Coordinator, Net 109)

 - Nathan

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FidoNews 8-26                  Page 5                       1 Jul 1991


Aaron Goldblatt
1:130/32.1   FidoNet
20:491/110.0 MailNet

                  A Fort Worth Nodelist Update

Since the publication of the preliminary specs for the Fort Worth
Nodelist format in FidoNews 820 the response has been
overwhelming.  I've gotten mail from every zone at least once,
and usually a ton.  I've tried to reply to each person who sent
mail, but some problems with outbound netmail on my system have
prevented some replies from getting out.  But never fear, it'll
come.

There were a number of problems with the article that I became
aware of only after its publication.  Many people pointed them
out, so I'm more than acutely aware of them.  :-)

First, there is the matter of the PHONE and FPHONE fields, and
how it is not feasable to strip parts off the nodelist.  So, a
fix is in the works.  Several possibilities are being considered,
but I think the best one is this:

   Instead of listing the entire number, or instead of stripping
   parts of the number in the manner suggested in the previous
   article, keep the FPHONE field and allow a full phone override
   for the regular PHONE field, like this:

   Host,...,FPHONE,...
   num,...,-PHONE,...

   This means that you could put a dash in front of the full
   phone number, indicating that it is the full phone number,
   instructing the compiler not to add the DIAL_TRANS field.
   This allows non-geographic or inter-area code nets, such as in
   parts of the United States and Canada (the Washington, D.C.
   area comes to mind), as well as in many other parts of the
   world.

This approach would also allow area codes in true geographic
nets, while allowing the removal of redundant information.

A great number of people commented on the dropping of the X?
mailer capability flag, since some mailer seems to use this.  My
arbitrary removal of this flag seems to have been hasty, so it
may return in the form of a one byte flag.

Comments were made on the lack of a NUM field in the PVT and HUB
fileds.  This was simply oversight and lack of proofreading on my
part.  They go right after the Pvt and Hub flags, of course.

FidoNews 8-26                  Page 6                       1 Jul 1991


Several people suggested changing the entire thing to a
binary-encoded file.  I am against this change because it would
not only require the writing of a program to create the nodelist
for each platform (something that I am not going to do), but it
could interfere with some computers' method of saving files.  I
will not take the file formats of each and every computer on the
market and/or still in use into consideration when designing a
binary-format file.  Every platform has a text editor that can
save a pure ASCII file.  This part seems to work, so I see no
need to change it.

People have also noted that a conversion program will be required
to convert the Fort Worth format nodelist to the St. Louis format
for those mailers that either haven't been updated or aren't
supported any more.  This is a good idea.  Any volonteers?

Some suggested the dropping of Pvt nodes as a whole.  I believe
that, since the current nodelist format supports the use of Pvt
nodes, I should, too.  The dropping of Pvt nodes is a matter that
should be left to policy.

Some suggested ordering nodes in the nodelist by phone number.
Also, ideas for hex-encoding of flag fields at the end of a
listing is in order.  Neither of these options is a good idea, in
my opinion, because of the time involved in conversion.  Changing
to a new nodelist format will be bad enough - I don't propose to
turn the world upside down twice.  Also, many NCs are not
programmers, have no background in hex, and, while hex isn't that
hard to pick up, the number of combinations available for any
given mailer capability flag/modem type/speed/whatever makes it
very hard to define a system that will account for each variation
in equipment, and that NCs will want to implement.

And there was even discussion about dropping the CM flag.  I
believe that this is a bad move - the nodelist is a
representation of nodes that meet the minimum requirements for
being a member of FidoNet.  According to FTS-0001 this is
compliance with ZMH only - not being CM, not supporting FREQs.
Just accepting mail during ZMH.  Therefore, any capabilities that
are extra, such as supporting 24-hour mail, should be listed with
extra flags.  If a capability is required of all nodes in
FTS-0001 it should not be listed in the nodelist because all
nodes are understood to support it, but additional capabilities
should be listed because there are some that do not.  It should
not be the other way around.

That confusing enough for you?

In closing, I told some of you that a revision would hit the News
by July 1, 1991.  This is that revision.  I will release the next
version, a full FSC-formatted document, for publication in
FidoNews sometime in September or October.  I'm going out of town
on July 3 and will not return until the middle of August.  I'm
not even going to take a computer with me!  If you're going to
the GenCon Game Fair in Milwalkee, well, maybe I'll see you
there.  Until next time, WOOF!
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Greg Trotter
1:147/63
greg@slinky.fidonet.org

Yet Another Vote Proposal


I've read with great interest the discussions going on about how
Fidonet elections are held. On the one hand, we have those that say
that the current method, which involves the *C to collect votes from
those under him and submit one vote, is the only practical method.
The proponents of this method say that it would not be practical to
count the votes.

On the other hand, there are others who say that if computers can do
nothing else they can COUNT. Why not have them do all the work? I
don't think it's a technical reason. I realize that there are many
different types of platforms running Fidonet systems, but a counting
program should not be diffucult to implement, especially if it looked
for a message addressed to it, dealt with it, and sent a reply to the
sender saying how is was recorded.

But I think there is another motive here. The current system is much
like the electoral college of the United States, where each state has
a set number of electors (the total number of representatives in
Congress), and (generally) all of the votes for that state go with
whom the state chose as their favorite.

Both systems favor smaller units, whether they be states or nets. But
it's a bit more pronounced in Fidonet, because a net with four nodes
has an equal voice as a net of 100 nodes. The result of this is the
node in the small net has a vote about 25 times more powerful than one
in the large net.

However, a system that counts a vote from each and every node, while
being equal to each node, is NOT equitable to each net. Result: from
the one net, one vote system comes a vote that favors the wishes of
small nets; from the one node, one vote method comes a vote that
favors the large nets.

The answer? Many nations today have a bicameral legislative system -
such as the House of Representatives and the Senate in the United
States. Fidonet needs to have one too. The method is this:

Nodes send their votes to their NC (or RC for independents). The *C
uses software that tallies the votes, puts them in a single file, and,
at the proper time, netmails the file to the *C at the level above.
The process repeats itself until it gets to the top of the tree (the
IC). The IC then counts the votes in two ways: first, by a
node-by-node basis; secondly, by a net-by-net basis. The measure would
have to pass BOTH ways for a measure to pass. Therefore, if a measure
is popular with about 25% of the nodes as a whole, but is extremely
popular with small nets, the measure would not pass. By the same
FidoNews 8-26                  Page 8                       1 Jul 1991


token, a measure that passed by about 60% of the nodes, but is
unpopular among small nets, the measure may not pass. It would have to
be beneficial to large AND small nets -- and, most importantly,
individual nodes -- to be passed.

Of course, this requires a policy change. One is probably due, as
current versions of policy are usually about the same as current
versions of MS-DOS. ;-)

Greg Trotter


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Steve Winter
FidoNet 1:151/208 209 210

Preface:  The purpose of my writings here is not to necessarily
"convert" or hassle anyone who is content in their current lifestyle
or religion;  but rather, to show what the real Biblical criteria
for Christianity is, and thereby expose those who are conning others.
Whether they are conning people financially, socially, or on the
FidoNet echos that allow religious discussion; false preachers and
false Christians are doing great harm to their fellow man.
Just a basic elementary Bible knowledge could keep current and
future "Jim & Tammy", "Jimmy S.", or "Billy G." types from conning
anyone on or off of FidoNet or other Network.
(J & T, J.S, and Billy G. never have taught the real Bible message).

                    Peter's Conversion

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing
they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be
converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.

We have many people today claiming to be converted or "saved". Yet,
none of them spent time with Jesus.  Peter spent quite a bit of time
with the Lord, yet, we see that Peter was not yet "converted" or
"born again".  Even though he obviously "believed". We see that Jesus
told Peter that WHEN he was converted (future tense). In fact we
notice that Peter even denied the Lord after this conversation:

Luke 22:31  And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath
desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:
Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not:
and WHEN thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Luke 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with
thee, both into prison, and to death.
Luke 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow
this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

FidoNews 8-26                  Page 9                       1 Jul 1991


The only major "conversion" event that LATER happened to Peter was
when he was filled with the Holy Ghost (speaking in tongues) in the
Upper Room. (see Acts 2:4)

He never denied the Lord after that. The Holy Ghost (with speaking
in tongues) is the "birth of the Spirit" that Jesus mentioned
in John 3:5.  It was in the Upper Room that Peter was "CONVERTED"
or "born again of the Spirit."

Many today make great swelling claims of Christianity, and claim
to be Christian even though they don't even believe in "tongues";
their pride will prevent them from considering that they might have
been deceived.

But, just as Peter was wrong when he said that he would never deny
the Lord; are also these others wrong, when they claim to be
"Christian" without meeting the Biblical criteria, which includes
the baptism of the Holy Ghost (with speaking in tongues).
see Acts 2:38.

           Steve Winter - [moderator HOLY_BIBLE]

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                             CLASSIFIEDS
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ADVERTISEMENT POLICY: Submissions must be 20 lines or less each,
maximum two ads per advertiser, 70 characters per line maximum. No
control codes except CR and LF. (Refer to contact info at the end of
this newsletter for details.)

Please notify us if you have any trouble with an advertiser. FidoNews
does not endorse any products or services advertised here.


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                               NOTICES
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Christopher Baker
Rights On! 1:374/14

                      A_THEIST Echo Available


A_theism means free of religion in the way a_political means
free of politics or a_sexual means free of sex
characteristics or drives.

With that in mind and ever cognizant of the continued
pressure of religion to intrude itself into our government
and its operations, the A_THEIST Echo is provided to inform
and alarm and hopefully wake up the sleeping and too long
silent majority to the peril on our doorstep.

It is, at present, a non-backbone Echo Hosted and Moderated
by Rights On! [1:374/14] and Christopher Baker [card
carrying member of American Atheists, Inc.]. Initial links
will be provided from this system to any and all who request
same. Links are now available from: 1:109/120; 1:114/15;
1:152/20; 1:151/606; 1:112/2020; and via PODS. More links
are noted in the current ELIST.

The Echo is open to anyone who can discuss, without
proselytizing, the extreme desirability of maintaining the
absolute separation of State and church in this country as
provided for in our Constitution.

A sample of the first few messages and the statement of
purpose of the Echo is available as A_THEIST.ZIP from this
system anytime except 0100-0130 and 0500-0800 ET [USR HST
ds online] if you wish to get an idea of whether to commit
disk space to the Echo. An archive of the past traffic from
the Echo is also available as A_ECHO.ZIP.

Backbone status has been applied for. Ask your Backbone
connection to get it for you!

I hope you will join us or ask your Sysop to request a link
via Netmail to 1:374/14.

TTFN.
Chris


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The Interrupt Stack


26 Jul 1991
WORLDCON '91 -- July 26-28 -- The First Global Fidonet Conference -
London England. Details From 2:25/102 or 1:103/158  freq magic name
WORLDCON.

15 Aug 1991
 8 Sep 1991
 7 Oct 1991
Area code 415 fragments. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties will begin
using area code 510. This includes Oakland, Concord, Berkeley and
Hayward. San Francisco, San Mateo, Marin, parts of Santa Clara County,
and the San Francisco Bay Islands will retain area code 415.

 1 Nov 1991
Area code 301 will split. Area code 410 will consist of the
northeastern part of Maryland, as well as the eastern shore. This will
include Baltimore and the surrounding area. Area 301 will include
southern and western parts of the state, including the areas around
Washington DC. Area 410 phones will answer to calls to area 301 until
November, 1992.

 1 Feb 1992
Area code 213 fragments. Western, coastal, southern and eastern
portions of Los Angeles County will begin using area code 310. This
includes Los Angeles International Airport, West Los Angeles, San
Pedro and Whittier. Downtown Los Angeles and surrounding communities
(such as Hollywood and Montebello) will retain area code 213.

 1 Dec 1993
Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.

 5 Jun 1997
David Dodell's 40th Birthday


If you have something which you would like to see on this calendar,
please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.

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Howard Sucher
FidoNet 2:247/83

                     The English Professor Echo

The English Professor echo is for anyone who wants to learn, practice,
or just brush up on there English skills. Here is a brief idea of
what this echo will provide: It will correct your grammar mistakes so
you do not keep repeating the same ones over and over again. If you
have a report due for school and need help developing it. If you need
help with developing a presentation or you just want to converse about
FidoNews 8-26                  Page 14                      1 Jul 1991


the English language, than this echo is for you!

For those of you who are interested in American Economics this echo is
also for you!

This echo has NO RULES or SET TOPICS unlike other echos. This echo is
like a class room where you will constantly learn new things. All
types of people are welcomed here, including teachers and parents!
However this echo is not just for the student. It is also for others
to learn a great deal more about the English language you use every
day. You can talk to others around the world about other langauge
problems.

Do you have problems with verbs, nouns or adjectives? Do you get bad
marks on your English papers? Would you like to write better? Would
you like to speak clearly in a presentation? Do you get nervous when
talking to others in English? Do you have problems when you try to
translate your native language to English?
If you can answer yes to any of the above, than the ENGLISH_PROFESSOR
Echo is for you!

The English Professor echo is currently not on the backbone. If enough
systems link up, we will do out best to put it on the BBR. The echo
is hosted by Howard Sucher (2:247/83).

The following is a list of systems that are capable of supporting links:
This list is as of June 26, 1991.
You may request to link up to it via the following systems:
2:247/1, 2:249/2, 2:359/1 and more to come.

I hope you will join us today or ask your sysop to link in via the above
systems. If you have any questions netmail me at 2:247/83.


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Fredric L. Rice, 1:102/901.0

    "God abhors a naked singularity
        so he censors it with an event horizon." -- Stephen Hawking

Legion SysOps have groveled for me to write an unambiguous censoring
utility and have been surprised to learn that what they've been
looking for already exists. (I have a well-deserved reputation for
software that censors or otherwise sterilizes, it seems, and it has
been mentioned that I have a generally technocratic predilection
towards throwing software at any social enigma that might offend a
critical thought processes.)

It's released with the understanding that the software gets 'floppied'
or destroyed after this particular social problem goes away.

FidoNews 8-26                  Page 15                      1 Jul 1991


Educate.LZH actually moves repellent articles out of FidoNews and puts
them into a holding file without operator intervention. A backup of
the original issue is offered so that if you supply FidoNews to other
sites, they can get the uncensored issue.

Let's site academician elitism and intolerance for this one.

Fredric.

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                           LATEST VERSIONS
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Latest Software Versions

                         MS-DOS Systems
                         --------------

                      Bulletin Board Software
Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

DMG            2.93    Phoenix         1.3    TAG           2.5g
Fido            12t+   QuickBBS       2.66    TBBS           2.1
GSBBS          3.02    RBBS          17.3B    TComm/TCommNet 3.4
Lynx           1.30    RBBSmail      17.3B    Telegard       2.5
Kitten         2.16    RemoteAccess   1.01*   TPBoard        6.1
Maximus        1.02    SLBBS         1.77A    Wildcat!      2.55
Opus           1.14+   Socrates       1.10    WWIV          4.12
PCBoard        14.5a   SuperBBS       1.10    XBBS          1.17

Network                Node List              Other
Mailers     Version    Utilities   Version    Utilities  Version

BinkleyTerm    2.40    EditNL         4.00    ARC            7.0
D'Bridge       1.30    MakeNL         2.31    ARCAsim       2.30
Dutchie       2.90C    ParseList      1.30    ARCmail       2.07
FrontDoor      2.00    Prune          1.40    ConfMail      4.00
InterMail      2.01*   SysNL          3.14    Crossnet      v1.5
PRENM          1.47    XlatList       2.90    DOMAIN        1.42
SEAdog         4.60*   XlaxDiff       2.40*   EMM           2.02
TIMS      1.0(Mod8)    XlaxNode       2.40*   4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
                                              Gmail         2.05
                                              GROUP         2.16
                                              GUS           1.30
                                              HeadEdit      1.18
                                              IMAIL         1.10
                                              InterPCB      1.31
                                              LHARC         1.13
                                              MSG            4.1
                                              MSGED         2.06
                                              MSGTOSS        1.3
                                              Oliver        1.0a
                                              PK[UN]ZIP     1.10
                                              PolyXarc      2.1a*
                                              QM             1.0
                                              QSORT         4.03
                                              ScanToss      1.28
                                              Sirius        1.0x
                                              SLMAIL        1.36
                                              StarLink      1.01
FidoNews 8-26                  Page 17                      1 Jul 1991


                                              TagMail       2.41
                                              TCOMMail       2.2
                                              Telemail      1.27
                                              TMail         1.21
                                              TPBNetEd       3.2
                                              TosScan       1.00
                                              UFGATE        1.03
                                              XRS           4.50*
                                              XST           2.3e
                                              ZmailH        1.14


                           OS/2 Systems
                           ------------

Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

Maximus-CBCS       1.02   BinkleyTerm  2.40   Parselst      1.32
                                              ConfMail      4.00
                                              EchoStat       6.0
                                              oMMM          1.52
                                              Omail          3.1
                                              MsgEd         2.06
                                              MsgLink       1.0C
                                              MsgNum        4.14
                                              LH2           0.50
                                              PK[UN]ZIP     1.02
                                              ARC2          6.00
                                              PolyXarc      2.1a*
                                              Qsort          2.1
                                              Raid           1.0
                                              Remapper       1.2
                                              Tick           2.0
                                              VPurge        2.07


                            Xenix/Unix 386
                            --------------

BBS Software                  Mailers         Other Utilities
Name             Version  Name      Version   Name       Version

                          BinkleyTerm 2.32B   Unzip         3.10
                                              ARC           5.21
                                              ParseLst      1.32
                                              Vpurge        4.08
     [Contact: Jon Hogan-Duran 3:711/909,     Ommm          1.42
      Willy Paine 1:343/15, Eddy van Loo      Msged         2.06
      2:285/406]                              Zoo           2.01
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                                              C-Lharc       1.00
                                              Omail         1.00
                                              MSGREN
                                              MSGLNK        1.01


                              Apple II
                             ----------

Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

GBBS Pro            2.1   Fruity Dog    2.0*  ShrinkIt      3.23
DDBBS +             7.4*                      ShrinkIt GS   1.04
                                              deARC2e       2.1
                                              ProSel        8.69*


                            Apple CP/M
                            ----------

Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

Daisy               v2j   Daisy Mailer 0.38   Nodecomp      0.37
                                              MsgUtil        2.5
                                              PackUser        v4
                                              Filer         v2-D
                                              UNARC.COM     1.20


                            Macintosh
                            ---------

Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

Red Ryder Host      2.1   Tabby         2.2   MacArc         0.04
Mansion            7.15   Copernicus    1.0   ArcMac          1.3
WWIV (Mac)          3.0                       LHArc          0.41
Hermes              1.5                       StuffIt Classic 1.6
FBBS               0.91                       Compact Pro    1.30
Precision Systems 0.95b*                      TImport        1.92
TeleFinder Host 2.12T10                       TExport        1.92
                                              Timestamp       1.6
                                              Tset            1.3
                                              Import          3.2
                                              Export         3.21
Point System Software                         Sundial         3.2
FidoNews 8-26                  Page 19                      1 Jul 1991


                                              PreStamp        3.2
Name            Version                       OriginatorII    2.0
                                              AreaFix         1.6
Copernicus          1.0                       Mantissa       3.21
CounterPoint       1.09                       Zenith          1.5
                                              Eventmeister    1.0
                                              TSort           1.0
                                              Mehitable       2.0
                                              UNZIP         1.02c
                                              Zip Extract    0.10

                              Amiga
                              -----

Bulletin Board Software   Network Mailers     Other Utilities

Name            Version   Name      Version   Name       Version

Falcon CBBS        0.45   BinkleyTerm  1.00   AmigArc       0.23
Paragon           2.082+  TrapDoor     1.50   AReceipt       1.5
TransAmiga         1.07   WelMat       0.44   booz          1.01
                                              ConfMail      1.12
                                              ChameleonEdit 0.10
                                              ElectricHerald1.66
                                              Lharc         1.30
                                              Login         0.18
                                              MessageFilter 1.52
                                              oMMM         1.49b
                                              ParseLst      1.64
                                              PkAX          1.00
                                              PolyxAmy      2.02
                                              RMB           1.30
                                              Roof         44.03
                                              RoboWriter    1.02
                                              Rsh           4.06
                                              Skyparse      2.30
                                              Tick          0.75
                                              TrapList      1.12
                                              UNZIP         1.31
                                              Yuck!         1.61
                                              Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
                                              Zoo           2.01

                           Atari ST/TT
                           -----------

Bulletin Board         Network                Node List
Software    Version    Mailer      Version    Utilities  Version

FIDOdoor/ST   2.3.2*   BinkleyTerm   2.40l    ParseList     1.30
QuickBBS/ST    1.02    The BOX        1.20    Xlist         1.12
Pandora BBS   2.41c                           EchoFix       1.20
GS Point       0.61                           sTICK/Hatch   5.50
LED ST         1.00
MSGED         1.96S

FidoNews 8-26                  Page 20                      1 Jul 1991


Archiver               Msg Format             Other
Utilities   Version    Converters  Version    Utilities  Version

LHARC          0.60    TB2BINK        1.00    ConfMail      4.03
LHARC2         3.18    BINK2TB        1.00    ComScan       1.02
ARC            6.02    FiFo           2.1n*   Import        1.14
PKUNZIP        1.10                           OMMM          1.40
                                              Pack          1.00
                                              FastPack      1.20
                                              FDrenum      2.2.7
                                              Trenum        0.10

                           Archimedes
                           ----------

BBS Software           Mailers                Utilities
Name        Version    Name        Version    Name       Version

ARCbbs         1.44    BinkleyTerm    2.03    Unzip        2.1TH
                                              ARC           1.03
                                              !Spark       2.00d

                                              ParseLst      1.30
                                              BatchPacker   1.00


+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
* Recently changed

Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.

/* NOTE: Until 1 Aug 1991 versions are on "hold" til the editor gets
back and finds a volunteer to maintain this file.  -- tomj */

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FidoNews 8-26                  Page 21                      1 Jul 1991


------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------

Editors: Tom Jennings, Tim Pozar
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Periello
Special thanks to Ken Kaplan, 1:100/22, aka Fido #22

"FidoNews" BBS
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    BBS  (415)-863-2739  (9600 HST/V32)

(Postal Service mailing address)
    FidoNews
    Box 77731
    San Francisco
    CA 94107 USA

Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international
amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the
rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those
of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews.




FidoNews is copyright 1991 Fido Software. All rights reserved.
Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes
only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews (we're
easy).



OBTAINING COPIES: FidoNews in electronic form may be obtained from
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various sites in the FidoNet and via uucp. PRINTED COPIES mailed
may be obtained from Fido Software for $5.00US each PostPaid First
Class within North America, or $7.00US elsewhere, mailed Air Mail.
(US funds drawn upon a US bank only.)

Periodic subscriptions are not available at this time; if enough
people request it I will implement it.


SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable
from 1:1/1 as file "ARTSPEC.DOC".


FidoNews 8-26                  Page 22                      1 Jul 1991


"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
trademarks of Tom Jennings of Fido Software, Box 77731, San Francisco
CA 94107, USA and are used with permission.

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