     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 51             17 Dec 2001 
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     | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are |
     | |  FidoNet community.  | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings|
     | |                      | |     San Francisco, California, USA      |
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     |           |     | \   \\ |                                         |
     |           | (*) |  \   ))|           Editor: Frank Vest            |
     |           |__U__| /  \// |     Deputy-Editor: Lawrence Garvin      |
     |   ______   _//|| _\   /  |                                         |
     |  / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/   |   Newspapers should have no friends.    |
     | (________)       (jm)    |                    -- JOSEPH PULITZER   |
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            Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ INSIDE ]  ...............................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. [ TOP STORIES ]  ..........................................  3
        A return to Fidonet?  .....................................  3
     4. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]  .....................................  4
        Failed End Run  ...........................................  4
     5. [ EDITORIAL ]  ............................................  5
        Moving Forward for Policy Change  .........................  5
     6. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ......................  8
        COORDINATORS  .............................................  8
     7. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]  ...................................... 10
        Letter to the Editor  ..................................... 10
     8. [ COMIX IN ASCII ]  ....................................... 12
        Headstone  ................................................ 12
     9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  .................................. 13
        THE FACTS OF LIFE  ........................................ 13
     10. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  .................................... 14
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 14
     11. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............ 16
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 16
     12. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 20
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 20
     13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 26
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 26
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 27
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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                           "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION.
                      It comes bundled with the software."

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     =================================================================
                                [ INSIDE ]
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                            The Fidonews at a Glance

     Louie Gonsalves joins us with the "Top Story" and asks some questions
     about re-joining Fidonet after a few years absence.

      In the "General Articles", Andrea Santos visits again with another
     look at the Z1 battle from her point of view.

      This week, the Fidonews Editor tries to give a gentle push to his
     proposed Policy change.

      Warren Bonner gives us a few thoughts on Fidonet geography in his
     column.

      The "Editor's Corner" this week finds a letter from an ex-Fidonet
     Node named Luke Kolin.

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                              [ TOP STORIES ]
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                              A return to Fidonet?
                 By Louie Gonsalves, hobbes@tigerden.dynip.com


     I am an ex-Fidonet sysop.  I came to FidoNet circa 1993 as a user,
     became a sysop around late 1994, and by mid-1998 had pulled the plug,
     for various reasons.  One of those reasons was personal, real-life
     stuff, another was the local net I headed in North Dakota pretty much
     disintegrated after the Flood of 1997.  Wiped out.  Gone.

     Yet here I am.  It's late 2001, almost eight years after I got my
     first node number, four years after I called it quits, and I am
     considering getting back IN.

     Why?  Simple.  I miss it. I miss echomail, I miss running a BBS.
     Headaches and all =o)

     I do have a pile of questions.  I've been out of the loop for four
     years.  I've read the back issues of the Snooze, but nothing's
     clearer.

             1. To be fido these days.. telephone number needed, or is
                tcp/ip enough?  Or more accurately: Is a tcp/ip name
                sufficent to be nodelisted?

             2. The old geographical limitations still in place?  IE,
                could I get a nodenumber from another net, should the NC
                responsible for this area be unresponsive? (NOTE: I haven't
                contacted him, so I don't know.  It's just a question.)

     Then again, I do question my sanity.  I see P4 is *still* the Policy
     in effect.  *sigh*.  I see the Nodelist has shrunk to levels that I
     had never seen.  Of course, this could be argued to be a good thing,
     meaning all the deadwood's gone and those that remain do so 'cause
     they enjoy Fido. Right?

     I actually intend to put up a real BBS. Telnet-and-www-only for now.
     I may add dialup.  But primarily, I'm doing this for myself.  I do
     miss FidoNet.  Reading most of the old snooze issues (yes, from #1
     till present) brought back memories, and gave perspective.

     Kind regards,

     Louie Gonsalves, ex-1:285/59, ex-1:2808/0

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                           [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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                                 Failed End Run
                                By Andrea Santos
                             asantos@santronics.com

     As the turf wars continue, CAB is, again, perturbed with the Zone 1
     Coordinator for alleged nodelist misdeeds, emploring like-minded
     sysops throughout the Zone to stand up and be heard.

     Lest CAB be reminded, he had an obligation, per Policy 4, to inform
     the Z1C of a pending election and he also was obliged to notify the
     Z1C of the Region's results, not simply insert the new RC 12 in the
     nodelist, with instructions to list whoever was found sufficiently
     amusing.

     Further, the Z1C has NO OBLIGATION to accept the results of that RC
     "election" or any other.  It's a long held courtesy that the will of
     the Region be granted, but it's not guaranteed, particularly when the
     departing and incoming RCs opt to play hijinks with their Regional
     segment and list person(s) already listed elsewhere, when there is no
     technical reason to do so.

     If Mr. Ross has a *need* to be listed in Region 12, I can't imagine
     why the Z1C wouldn't grant the request, if asked.  Course, that would
     also necessitate that Mr. Ross be removed from the Region 18 segment.
     After all, there can be no technical reason why Mr. Ross requires
     listings in two Regions.

     The nodelist is an address book not a political toy for the whims of
     perpetually disgruntled nodes.  Choose not to recognize that and the
     *C above will do it for you as has been done!

     Scorecard reads: Z1C 7 - CAB/DEE 0.

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                               [ EDITORIAL ]
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                        Moving Forward for Policy Change
                                 By Frank Vest
                                     1:1/23


      Last week, this Editor wrote a Netmail to all the RCs in Fidonet. The
     Netmail proposed a change to Policy 4 regarding the Netmail address
     for the Fidonews Editor. The current Policy states that the Fidonews
     Editor is at 1:1/1. As most know, the Editor is currently at 1:1/23.

      There have been very few responses to that Netmail. Of those
     responses, the general thought seems to be `Change the Editor's
     address to match P4'. IOW, the Fidonews Editor becomes 1:1/1 and the
     problem is solved. This is one way to do it. Please read on.

     If that is what is decided, so be it.

      This Editor doesn't see that as a remedy. Policy 4 has been stated as
     "not current", "out of date", "not with the times", "out of touch" and
     dozens of other things. Changing an address to match P4 is admitting
     that P4 is "with" the times and Fidonet is "out of touch".

      One reply offered support and voiced a concern regarding how the
     change was worded by this Editor. The concern was that the portion
     "Contributions are submitted to the Node listed in the Zone section of
     the current Fidonet Nodelist as Fidonews Editor". The point was made
     that there are 6 Zone sections in the Fidonet Nodelist.

      This editor understands this concern and did not consider that fact
     in the writing. Another reason that several heads are better than one.
     :)

      The wording can be changed. This Editor would like to see the
     Fidonews Editor listed in the Zone that s/he resides in. What is
     important, however, is that the RCs come together to act on the
     proposal.

      Another reply felt that this was a trivial matter and that there were
     other things in P4 that are more important.

      This Editor agrees with that. This Editor also believes that before
     one can walk, one must take a first step. Fidonet, like the Internet
     and most other new babies, started on its back in a crib... nurtured
     by a "father and mother" figure. Both finally rolled over and learned
     to crawl. Both took that first step and then walked into the world.
     Both finally began to run. Both have fallen many times.

     The difference??

      The Internet got back up every time and started again.... learned
     what went wrong and fixed it. Fidonet went back to crawling and is
     still crawling along with eyes that wonder at the big Internet that
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 6                   17 Dec 2001


     runs so fast and is so big.

      Now.... The Internet was slow starting. Fidonet was running before
     the Internet crawled. Fidonet was bigger than the Internet. What
     happened??  To this Editor, that is simple. When Fidonet fell, it
     stopped trying. Fidonet lays there crying and begging for some food.
     All the while, losing weight and starving. :'(

     Does Fidonet need your sympathy?

     NO.

     Does P4 need your sympathy?

     NO.

     Both need your help!

      Ladies and gentlemen of Fidonet. We must take that first step again.
     Policy has undergone change in the past. Each, in my opinion, was an
     attempt to document and update what was being done, how it was done
     and give some form of guide to Fidonet. Fidonet must do this again or
     face the end of Fidonet.

     It has been said that P4 can not be changed. I disagree.

      P4 has been changed. The current is P4.07. That, in and of itself,
     indicates that there was a P4.00.  Even if that is not enough, P4 in
     itself gives a method for change. The problem is that Fidonet seems
     perfectly happy to crawl along and cry for it's milk.... or lay there
     and die. It's simply easier to sit back and cry that P4 can't be
     changed because it is too hard. It's easier to blame the Internet. The
     easiest is to blame each other. Simply say "It's their fault!" "They
     did it!!" "Daddy!!" "That bad P4 hurt me!".

     How to change P4??

     It won't happen by crying "That bad P4 hurt me!".

      Section 8 of P4 tells how to make a change. The RCs make a referenda
     to the IC who takes it to the *Cs in general for a vote.

     How hard is this to understand??

      The RCs are asked to make a change. A group or person can ask them.
     Provide good reason(s) for the change. Remember that your Net, Region
     or Zone is not the only one in Fidonet. Give GOOD reasons.

      Alternately, the RCs can initiate a change. They see a part of Policy
     that needs updated and then bring that to the IC. This can only happen
     if the RCs pay attention to their job and find out what is being done
     in Fidonet that works and what technical changes are happening. Then
     take this to the IC with the proposed changes for a vote of the *C
     structure. That is what the *Cs are for.

     This Editor is encouraged by the response received. There is interest
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     and that is important.

      Ok, this Editor has rambled enough. The effort has been made. If this
     effort fails, so be it. I'll go on with the knowledge that I tried.
     Can you, or will you be able to say the same???


     Thanks to all and best wishes to Fidonet,

      Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                                  COORDINATORS
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Dear readers, I am sorry to report the battle rages on between the
     "haves and have-nots". A better description may be, "the coordinators
     and the Un-coordinators". As you are aware of the discomfiture and
     friction between some regional coordinators, among themselves and the
     zone one coordinator, the pot finally boiled over.  For some time the
     "Ol'Codger" has pleaded for fido friends to close ranks and come
     together to no avail.  Policy4 has become the root of most dissension.

     There are those that speak of starting their own nets, others speak of
     starting their own nodelists.  The un-cooperators are in the process
     of trying to Hi-jack fidonet.  I have an idea, let's try the last
     resort, prayer! It may not work, but it couldn't hurt.  Yes a miracle
     is needed, NOW.

     The nodes that already have an exception to reside in a geographical
     location other than their own, have received permission by their *C's
     to do so, with the understanding that it is revoke if it causes any
     problem.  Some of these are very necessary as they would not be in
     Fidonet were it not permitted.  Some are not necessary at all.

     My own net 103 had a horrendous fight with ex-RC Kohl over nodes in
     net 102 that had to call long distance from cities along the Orange/LA
     Counties border where they resided, to get a connection with their
     assigned NEC. The nodes NC's and the previous R10C Dave Garrett had
     approved their exceptions as they were local calls to net 103NEC
     Fidonet lost eight nodes on Kohl's orders for them to return to his
     net 102.  Had we not complied with his order, he threatened that net
     103 would be removed from the nodelist.  I have another idea, lets all
     try to accommodate and cooperate with each other without politics.

     Reducing the egos to one on one, all of you would see each other in a
     new light.  Just for a moment, imagine you were isolated in the whole
     world from anyone you know.  Now your perceived "enemy" sysop is
     suddenly the only person in your world... the only one to talk to, the
     only one that may help you when you need help... suddenly it is not
     all about you being more wealthy, more educated, more savvy... Just
     take a moment to think about it... does the "Golden Rule" seem wise?

     Back to the root of the dissension a moment.  We really need to set
     some committee in place to find a way to correct the problems that
     Policy4 seems inadequate to handle. I suggested this three years ago
     in the above mentioned fido-fray.  For us to fly full blast ahead into
     the storm of complaints and pleas for exceptions in the face of
     evolving technology is as asinine as trying to play a CD on a
     phonograph.

     With that I put my Ouija Board back in the closet and close the idea
     department for this week.

     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 9                   17 Dec 2001


     Warm regards, Ol'wdb

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                            [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]
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     Recieved this in E-Mail. Thought I'd share it with all of you.
     - Frank

                              Letter to the Editor
                     From: Luke Kolin (formerly 1:250/714)

     Sir:

     It was with some surprise that I was able to read through the Snooze
     the past two weeks and see that the more things change, the more they
     stay the same. Having been a Canadian job exile for approaching four
     years, I've developed a keen appreciation and curiosity for Southern
     attitudes. I have been somewhat privileged to observe some of this by
     virtue of the fact that while I am a northerner, I am NOT a Yankee - a
     subspecies that in these parts seems to rank marginally above Hillary
     Clinton and members of the Taliban.

     At present, I am placing a bet with myself if Charles' and Andrea's
     blatherings will continue on in FidoNet as long as discussions here
     about the War of Northern Agression. These finally seem to be
     simmering down, although the recent Florida recount debacle has
     resurrected the fratricidal arguments about the great Hayes-Tilden
     election swindle of 1876. I hear brothers have stopped speaking to
     brothers again.

     I'm also delighted to hear that one of my old friends in FidoNet has
     been following in my footsteps by being summarilly dismissed as RC12.
     I'm not sure if Lesley-Dee has lasted the six months that I did, but
     it's every man's dream to see his protege follow in his footsteps,
     only faster and better than him.

     When faced with the depressing thought of turning 30 in just over a
     year, it was comforting to see that in FidoNet at least, very little
     has changed since 1994. Old battles are being refought with many of
     the same participants as if the preceeding years simply did not exist.
     Perhaps they have not - the 1998 snowfall that brought out the
     Canadian Peace Corps may have frozen them for three years. Perhaps
     Visage has missed the helpful e-mails I get on a regular basis that
     promise to increase my ejaculate by no less than 581% - I'm confident
     that this could give his badger sperm futures a rigid upward cant that
     makes MarchFIRST stock look downright dowdy by comparison. It might
     also pay for writers with new material.

     Perhaps we can restore interest in FidoNews by creating 'FidoNews
     Classic', a collection of classic reprints from battles past. I'm sure
     you, as Editor, could also increase interest by holding a weekly
     contest reprinting old articles with the theme "Old or New?", and
     readers could guess which are originals and which are cunning
     reprints. Winners would receive a free vinyl-bound collection of all
     the 'Should the Snooze be dedicated to technical matters only?'
     articles since 1984.
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 11                  17 Dec 2001


     Sincerely,

     Luke Kolin (formerly 1:250/714)
     Roswell, GA

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                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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                           THE FACTS OF LIFE........
                      -----------------------------------
     Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's
     too much fraternizing with the enemy.

     There's a fine line between fishing and standing on
     the shore like an idiot.

     Did you ever walk into a room and forget why you walked in?
     I think that's how dogs spend their lives.

     Character is what you are.
     Reputation is what people think you are.

     Drive carefully
     It's not only cars that can be recalled by their maker.

     A loser is a window washer on the 44th floor who steps
     back to admire his work..

     A man usually feels better after a few winks, especially
     if she winks back.

     Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.

     The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.

     There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.

     If at first you don't succeed ... well, so much for sky diving.

     A man who says marriage is a 50-50 proposition doesn't
     understand two things: 1 - Women, 2 - Fractions

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                           [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]
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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.348
      File has a Date Stamp of : 12/15/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1177.80 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10764 Nodes in it
      and a total of  13874 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     488 Network Hosts listed.
                     736 Hubs listed.
                     369 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     888 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     558 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1295 ( 12.03 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 888 (  8.25 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9226 (  85.71 %)
                        (HST's =  198 or   2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   15 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5207 or  56.44 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  594 or   6.44 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 4983 or  54.01 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  642 or   6.96 % "       "    "     "   )
            2400 =    107 (  0.99 %)
            1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
             300 =    469 (  4.36 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4107
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
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      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                10
                      Dutchie 2.90b
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      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
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      XP              Seadog                          7
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      XR              Opus 1.03                      71
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      XW              Fido >12M                     409
                      Tabby
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      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4622
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3818 ( 35.47 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5622 ( 52.23 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    812 (  7.54 %)

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               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
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                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
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     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 18                  17 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |MI  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |MI  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |I   |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 19                  17 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
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                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
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      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
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      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 23                  17 Dec 2001


     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-51               Page 24                  17 Dec 2001


      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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