      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 15             09 Apr 2001
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                        Table of Contents
     1. HEADLINE  .................................................  1
     2. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  2
     3. THOUGHTS  .................................................  3
        /\/* THOUGHTS *\/\  .......................................  3
     4. ARTICLES  .................................................  4
        -=+ ARTICLES SUBMITTED +=-  ...............................  4
     5. RECIPES  ..................................................  7
        /// Recipes \\\  ..........................................  7
     6. GETTING TECHNICAL  ........................................  9
     7. HUMOR  .................................................... 15
     8. NOTICES  .................................................. 16
     9. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 19
     10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 24
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                                 HEADLINE
     =================================================================

           "There is a time for departure even when there's no
            certain place to go."
                                           --Tennessee Williams


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     =================================================================
                              GUEST EDITORIAL
     =================================================================

     Hello,

     With the announcement yesterday that Ross Cassell, Bob Juge, major z1b
     Tier 1 hubs, and Steve Loupe, a major z1b Tier 2 hub, are meshingwith
     Bob Seaborn and Brenda Donovan, NAB ZHubs, creating a new, revitalized
     North American Backbone, we ask that you work with us to help
     eliminate any legacy left by the now-departed Southern Star, which
     appeared to promote separatism and antagonism.

     Let's not delve into the why's and wherefore's of all this, just
     suffice it to say that we, the new revitalized NAB are asking your
     help to eliminate any of the "we are better than you" attitude that
     was prevalent over the past couple of years.

     There's been far too much petty bickering, name-calling and mud-
     slinging since the NAB/z1b break took place.  This divisiveness must
     stop - we're all in this hobby together to achieve a common goal.
     We feel this change will move us a giant step closer to reaching it.

     This change should benefit every node in Fidonet - especially in
     light of the constant attrition we're seeing in zone 1 of Fidonet.
     Fidonet definitely does NOT need continuation of what went on over
     the past few years, nobody wins, everybody loses.

     If you have any thoughts, suggestions, or comments that you feel
     would be helpful, please let us know at your convenience.



                     Ross Cassell, 1:18/500
                     Brenda Donovan, 1:10/1
                     Bob Juge, 1:106/2000
                     Steve Loupe, 1;106/1
                     Bob Seaborn, 1:140/1
                     (in alphabetical order)



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     =================================================================
                                 THOUGHTS
     =================================================================


                           My Promise

                    If I could catch a rainbow
                          I would do it
                          Just for you
                       And share with you
                           Its beauty
                           On the days
                       You're feeling blue

                    If I could build a mountain
                          You could call
                          Your very own
                     A place to find serenity
                        A place to be alone

                            If I could
                        Take your troubles
                        I would toss them
                            In the sea

                      But all these things
                           I'm finding
                       Are impossible for me

                     I cannot build a mountain
                      Or catch a rainbow fair

                           But let me be
                         What I know best
                              A friend
                       That's always there

                   ----Source Anonymous email




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                                 ARTICLES
     =================================================================


                          End of an Era
                        The Death of "TEM"
                          By Frank Vest

          No, no one has died, but, something has died.

     I guess I should explain. :)

      Net124 has had a computer that handled all of the Echomail for the
     Net since before I was a Node in Fidonet. We, in Net124, lovingly
     called this machine "The Echo Machine", or "TEM" for short. I might be
     a little off on my history since TEM was around way before I even
     became a Node in Net124, or Fidonet, but I believe that the computer
     we called "TEM" was bought by the Net. It was maintained by an "Echo
     Fund" via donations. One person in the Net, "The Keeper of TEM" kept
     the machine at their home and maintained it out of those funds.  No,
     this wasn't a CRP. The donations were voluntary and even if you didn't
     donate, you still got the benefits of TEM. No, this wasn't just a Node
     number in the Nodelist. This was a machine that was passed from
     "Keeper" to "Keeper" through time. This was a physical transfer of
     hardware. The new "Keeper" picked up the computer from the former
     "Keeper" and took it to his/her home. It was set up and configured and
     a separate phone line connected to it. A lot more than a simple
     Nodelist change was involved here.

      As of Nodelist.096, TEM, 1:124/1 is no more in Net124. :(

      This might not sound like much and you might think "So what? What's
     this got to do with Fidonet as a whole??". Well, I'd like to think
     that our little Net124 "TEM" wasn't/isn't the only TEM that was/is
     around.

      Back in the days when all mail was sent via direct modem connection,
     a Net benefited from a "TEM" greatly. Think of it. A Net with 100+
     Nodes and each one had to have or make it's own connection to another
     Node or feed, sometimes by long distance telephone calls, to get
     Netmail and Echomail. An Echo Machine could connect to one feed for
     one LD cost and then feed the local Nodes via local calls. Cost to the
     Nodes was cut dramatically. "TEM" was a "God Send" and made a lot of
     Fidonet happen. Without these machines, can you imagine what Fidonet
     wouldn't have been?

      So, what has this to do with the end of an era?  Just this. As
     Fidonet has grown and declined, so has the technology grown and
     declined. Fido technology was the thing back when the Internet was
     little more than a file transfer system for those that could afford it
     or were part of some organization that had it. Fidonet had the
     graphics and the ability for the "common" person to use it. The person
     off the street could connect to a BBS and communicate with others from
     around the world. As we, Fidonet, decline, we are now using the
     technology that was once below us to keep Fidonet alive.
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      Maybe we should think on this and think of all the "little TEMs" that
     were, and might still be out there.... sitting in some person's home
     and churning out the mail that comes into it. Maintained by some
     person that does this just for the fun of it. Maybe we should thank
     these little machines and the persons who run them.

      Yes, it's the end of an era in Net124, but not the end. Fidonet might
     not have these little machines for much longer, but Fidonet will go
     on. The end of one era is just the beginning of another. Keep the
     faith and keep Fidonet going. Use the technology of today just like
     the little TEMs of the past used the technology of their day. Keep it
     going and grow.

      In final thought, I'd like to say a thanks to Paul Lentz, the last
     "Keeper of TEM" in Net124. Kudos to you and my thanks for your
     efforts. TEM may be gone, but I know you will still be there to feed
     those of us in Net124 that seldom thank you for the effort.

     Thanks TEM!, and Thanks Paul!


     Kind regards,

      Frank

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     From: "Kay Shapero" <kay.shapero@salata.com>
     To: <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
     Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:14 AM

             Some Observations On How This Thing Works
                      Kay Shapero 1:102/524

     Ok, this isn't an article about how FIDOnet is supposed to work. It's
     not an article about how FIDOnet ought to work either.  What it is, is
     an article about how FIDOnet appears to work as observed by yours
     truly over the last ten or so years.

     FIDOnet is an anarchy. Whatever the rules, in practice it is
     maintained by consensus, and if enough people don't agree, it falls
     apart like the proverbial shack where the termites held hands. A slime
     mold makes a good analogy.  The slime mold organism is an amoeba which
     lives in the leaf mold of a forest.  Once a year, these amoebae are
     drawn together by pheromones and form a sheet from which grow in turn
     sporulating bodies which release spores which become more amoebae.
     Then they all split up and go their separate ways. Now all amoebae in
     the group are still independent organisms, so if you take a stick and
     scatter the slime mold sheet, all that happens is that the individuals
     split up, then go reform someplace else.

     OK, what does this have to do with FIDOnet?   For starters, every
     sysop in the net has or should have a copy of the nodelist of the
     entirety of FIDOnet.  With the exception of a relatively few systems
     which don't have listed phone numbers, any sysop can theoretically
     call any other system limited only by the cost of making the phone
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     call, and perhaps some technical problems between their equipment.
     This is still as true as it ever was, back before Policy 4 or its
     predecessors.  All  those nodes, capable of independent
     communications, held together only by agreement as to how to do so.

     But what about Policy 4, you ask?  Isn't that a set of laws?  And
     doesn't the *C structure count as a "government"?

     No, not quite.  It's sort of like the old joke, "This is a non- profit
     company.  We didn't intend it that way, but..."  I don't care what the
     drafters of Policy 4 intended, the fact is it's a description of a
     structure, enforcement power flimsy at best. Witness the fact that
     much of it can be superceded these days (internet feeds, out of area
     feeds) without harm to the structure. Indeed the structure contains
     things like echo moderators who aren't even mentioned in P4, but who
     have recognized duties and actions all the same.  (Yes "ECROC" forms a
     policy document of sorts, but note that it's completely voluntary and
     not universally heeded.)  The various *C levels are routing positions.
     In such a position you can make yourself useful by ensuring the flow
     of traffic, or make a pain of yourself by blocking it, but other than
     that there's far less real power in such positions than many a would
     be holder has imagined.  At ANY level - witness recently when the IC
     tried to pull a node number, and a lot of other sysops offered a
     replacement to the sysop in question, from another zone no less.  Or
     events in region 10 a few years back.  You don't exercise power by
     fiat in here, because everybody else has the power to ignore you, and
     if you annoy them enough, they'll do it.  The slime mold splits up and
     reforms elsewhere without the irritant.

     The way to exercise power in an anarchy (yes, there is one), is not to
     try and grab for a position that is not what you think it is. It's
     done by making people like you, by being helpful, by offering
     practical advice and all the other things that are what really keep
     FIDOnet going.

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     `Nizze' article, Kay! Thanks, --Ed
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                                  RECIPES
     =================================================================


     By: JOAN MACDIARMID
     MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

     Title: Crespelle Al Mascarpone (Crepes Filled With Mascarpone)
     Categories: Italian, Pancakes, Cheese, Desserts, Filling
           Yield: 6 Servings

                For the Crepes
                (About 16 - 8" each)
           2 lg Eggs
           1 tb Olive Oil
           1 c  Milk
         1/2 c  All-Purpose Flour
         1/4 ts Salt
           2 tb Granulated Sugar
                Vegetable Oil Or Butter;
                For greasing the pan
                For The Filling:
       1 1/2 c  Mascarpone Cheese
           2 tb Powdered Sugar
                Zest From 1 Lemon
                For The Sauce:
           1 c  Wildflower Honey
       1 1/2 oz Dark Rum

     Beat all the crepe ingredients together, except the oil or butter for
     greasing the pan, to make a batter. Let it stand for an hour or so.
     The batter should be the consistency of a high grade whipping cream.
     It should coat the back of a spoon well but be liquid enough to slide
     into shapes easily, so it will conform of the shape of the pan. If the
     batter becomes too thick to pour easily, add a little water and beat
     it again until it is the right consistency.

     Oil an 8 inch, heavy crepe or frying pan with a tiny amount of oil or
     butter, using a paper towel. The pan must be hot but not smoking. Pour
     in about 3 tablespoons of batter, or a bit more.  Tip the pan all
     around and spread the batter to make a thin pancake.  Brown the crepes
     on one side then turn them over with help of a metal spatula or fork
     and cook them for another minute or even less.

     As the crepes are done, stack them on a plate until needed.  Grease
     the pan after each crepe is made; if your pan is in excellent
     condition, it may not be necessary after the first 3 or 4 are done.

     Crepes can be made a day or two ahead and stored in the refrigerator
     well wrapped in plastic.  They also freeze well.

     FILLING: Mix all the ingredients together with a tablespoon.

     SAUCE: Mix the honey and rum together.  Gently and carefully warm it
     on low heat.
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     TO ASSEMBLE: Divide the mascarpone mixture equally among 13 crepes.
     Fold the crepes in half, then in half again.  Place the crepes
     slightly overlapping each other in a lightly buttered dish and heat
     them in a preheated 375 F oven for about 10 minutes. Transfer them to
     heated plates and drizzle with the honey, or pass it at the table.

     Recipe (c) Carlo Middione - Vivande Ristorante As printed in SF
     Examiner Epicure, 4/26/95 Posted by: Tess Mercer <tess@NANOTHINC.COM>

     Notes:

     For the filling I used icing sugar and the powdered zest from dried
     lemon, lime and orange peels [mostly orange]. The citrus skins were
     scraped of all white pith and left to air dry for several weeks until
     quite hard. They were then ground to powder in a blender. I used about
     1 tsp. I made the filling a few hours in advance to allow the zest to
     soften and the citrus oils to penetrate the mascarpone. I also worked
     in a tsp of milk to make the filling more spreadable.

     For the sauce I used regular clover honey, 1 oz of water and 1/2 oz
     of lemon juice. I wanted to keep it non-alcoholic to suit the
     requirements of a guest and I really wanted the citrus accents to come
     through.

     I also made just 6 large crepes and rolled them into cylinders. I
     served them in oblong oven proof dishes, one per serving.

     Jim Weller

     MMMMM

     Joan MacDiarmid in Amherst, NY (working at SUNY/Buffalo)

      * Origin: =-DING!-=  Dinner's Ready! (1:142/736)

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                             GETTING TECHNICAL
     =================================================================

     by: Carol Shenkenberger
     10 February 2001
     Revised 27 March 2001


     FAQ on IP Connectivity Nodelistings
     Reference:  FTS-5001.001 and FTS-5000.001

     Written with assistance from David Hallford,
     FTSC Nodelist working group member

     Let me first smile and say I'm not re-writing the Fidonet
     Technical Standards, but merely trying to assist with
     questions I've seen on implementation of them.  Sometimes,
     they just aren't as understandable as the Fidonet Technical
     Standards Committee intended.

     Lets start with the basics.  The nodelist has a specific
     format.  You can't vary off that in some aspects or it will
     fail to process.  That can cause a node, hub segment, net
     segment, region, or even a whole Zone to fail to process
     depending on where it fails.  YIKES!! Lets not go there ok?

     The first field of interest for a sysop with IP
     connectivity, is the 3rd one where the BBSname is
     traditionally entered. For an IP node, this is the 'system
     address' space.  You list it but once here in the preferred
     mode if at all possible.  You can also list the IP address
     or an email address if that's preferred.

     The problem for most NC's is that it's never really 'clear'
     how the samples and flags work in conjunction.  Thats
     probably because there are many variations.

     Below is a sample for BINKP/TELNET/FTP type entries.

     Sample:

     ,100,ftp.cshenk.com,Virgina_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
     (etc).

     In that case, ftp.cshenk.com is a 'DNS lookup' address
     for the IP number.

     If the site has a POTS line as well, list it as normal.  If
     they do not, use -Unpublished- for the phone field, mark
     them PVT, and enter 300 for the baud rate.  Among the flags,
     enter those which are applicable, omitting those that do not
     apply.

     Sample:

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     (ION)
     ,300,CM,IBN,ITN,IFT
     (With POTS and IP)
     ,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,IBN,ITN,IFT

     While I dont see anyone using it, I could also just plug in
     the IP address there if it was STATIC.

     Sample:

     ,100,24.0.0.1,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger, (etc)

     Although controversial at this time, a static IP address can
     also be put in the phone number field by replacing the "."
     with a "-" and prefacing it with 000.

     Sample:

     ,100,Shenk's_Express,Virginia_Beach_VA,
     Carol_Shenkenberger,000-127-0-0-1,300,

     The other flags would be the same.  Note, do NOT use this if
     the IP address isnt static!  Even the 'gee seldom changes'
     folks should use the DNS version.

     If I used just email attachments, I'd enter my email
     address instead.

     Sample:

     ,100,cshenk2@home.com,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
     (etc).

     Then add the email version IP flags which fit my setup.

     Sample:

     (ION)
     ,300,CM,ITX,IUC,IMI
     (With POTS and IP)
     ,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,VFC,ITX,IUC,IMI

     Now lets say you do both methods.  FTP or variation, and
     email attachment type and want to list both. It can be done.
     Be careful on field length as each flag must be 32
     characters max including the flag!  The total line must be
     157 characters or less.

     Sample:

     ,100,ftp.cshenk.com,Virginia_Beach_VA,Carol_Shenkenberger,
     1-757-486-3064,28800,CM,XA,V32B,V42B,IFT,ITX:cshenk2@home.com

     Note that on the IFT portion I did not need to relist the
     address.  If 'ftp.cshenk.com' resolved to an IP address
     also capable of BINKP, I would add IBN.  If it also
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     connected to TELNET, I'd add ITN.  Only ITX (email
     attachment TransX) required additional information be
     listed.

     I hope this helps pull things together for people!
                                xxcarol
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     29 March 2001
     Draft1

                          How NOT to list an ION
                                  Otherwise
                                  known as:

                    How to SERIOUSLY MESS UP A SEGMENT

     This is the first in a training series for the prospective RC13 who
     will as of this writing, be known in 2 days or after a runoff. One
     thing every good RC does, is assist NC's.  Sometimes that means
     assisting them with nodelisting skills.

     It's especially common to need some help when it's an ION who needs
     listing, if it's the NC's first. Suprisingly (evil grin) ION's dont
     have a better idea about how to list themselves than the NC does,
     commonly enough.  That means the NC cant just 'take their word for it'
     but needs to check some things.

     Check 1:  If they gave you data for the phone field-

               a.  Was it -UnPublished- ?  Good if they have no static IP
     (Special note:  Cant be /0 or HUB keyworded)

               b.  If an 'IP' was it starting with 000- ? (NOT 1-000- but
     000- !!!!)

               c.  Did it have an email address in the phone field?  Take
     that out if so.  It wont process.

     Check 2:  If they use email for passing echomail traffic-

               a.  Did they list it in the 'bbsnamefield' where it belongs
     or attached to one of the flags for email-attachment methods?

               b.  If they listed it in the 'sysopnamefield' are they aware
     no software looks for it there and that a prospective contact person
     looking for 'Joe Smith' from a post will never figure out from a front
     end mailer (FrontDoor, ARGUS, etc) the address for 'Joe Smith' if the
     sysop name field has 'pookie@fun.com' as it's entry?

     Check 3:  If they use FTP/TELNET/BINKP etc for passing traffic-

               a.  Did they put the DNS lookup name for their site in the
     bbsname area or attached to one of the flags pertinent for that?

               b.  If they use both email-attachment methods and an FTP/etc
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 12                   9 Apr 2001


     type of method, did they list at least one of them in the
     'bbsnamefield' (or if static IP involved, in phone and bbsnamefield
     for email address)?

     Check 4:  Did they remember to remove the flags for modem types-

               a.  ION's in Z1 are 300 baud

               b.  ION's have no modem flags such as V32,VFC etc. They do
     apply to this situation as no one is dialing you POTS, _even if you
     are dialing your ISP via a POTS line_.

     Check 5:  Does it fit the specs-

               a.  I'm calling this a draft as I do not know all the specs.
     one I know is several fields and all 'user flags' are limited to 32
     characters max including the keyword and possible :

               b.  Is the total less than or equal to, what makenl can
     handle?  This is uncertain to me but seems to be 168 or so total. Ward
     Dossche is the only one I know of who ran into an otherwise compliant
     listing, that hit this marker.


     Special Note:  There is no 'standard' for what we do, in Z1, when
     faced with the ION NC or HUB.

               a.  In R13, internal net routing is used for the HUB
     situation (allowing them to do the same thing but no HUB keyword is
     applied nor will a mailer default route to them).

               b.  ION NC's are a serious problem under P4 due to
     requirement to route inbound netmail traffic and software that will
     default to the NC if the node under them is 'PVT' and that a
     new/returning node with POTS only cant reach them.


                                   xxcarol

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     By: Jasen Betts
     To: Ian Moote
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hi Ian.

     23-Mar-01 12:39:00, Ian Moote wrote to JANIS KRACHT

     IM> And here's the example: Here a question has popped up about adding
     a modem to an ADSL line. I don't know much about ADSL, but I wouldn't
     want to see someone get an ADSL hook-up with the intention of adding
     the analogue modem and then finding that it doesn't work; or worse --
     that it does damage to something! So even though I know little about
     it, I pipe-up to tell the person that I don't believe that it's
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     possible. This way the person is made aware of a potential problem
     which he can then investigate for himself.

     IM> Jason Betts is a very knowledgable dude. He's seldom wrong or
     inaccurate and I respect the information he posts. He says that I'm
     wrong and that the voice side of ADSL is analogue. I didn't care
     enough about the topic to look it up for myself, and he is an accurate
     source of information, so I quite readily accept that from him on its
     face.

     IM> Janis Kracht is also a very knowledgable young lady and, even
     though I don't know her very well, I also tend to respect the
     information which she posts. Although she hasn't said it outright, by
     stating that a converter is required to use POTS devices on an ADSL
     line she is intimating that the voice side of ADSL is not analogue.

     IM> So, not criticising either participant, both of whom I respect,
     here I have diametrically conflicting information on a relatively
     straightforward question. [:)

     JB> no you haven't... Janis tells you there's a "converter", I say
     that the voice is analogue. it's possible we're both right :)

     JB> I think the "converter" may be a low pass filter...

     JB> Here's what Craig Ford says in the COMM echo,

     CF> ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line) a modem technology that
     converts existing twisted-pair telephone lines into access paths for
     paths for multimedia and high speed data communications.

     CF> ADSL transmits more than 6Mbps to a subscriber, and as much as 640
     kbps more in both directions. An ADSL circuit connects an ADSL modem
     on each end of a twisted-pair phone line, creating three information
     channels; a high speed downstream channel, a medium speed duplex
     channel, and a POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) channel. The POTS
     channel is split off from the digital modem by filters, thus
     guaranteeing uninterrupted POTS, even if ADSL fails. The high speed
     channel ranges from 1.5 to 6.1 Mbps, while duplex rates range from 16
     to 640 kbps. Each channel can be sub-multiplexed to form multiple,
     lower rate channels.

      -=> Bye <=-

     --- * Origin: C is for Cookie (3:640/531.42)

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


     By: Andy Brown
     To: All
     Re: ERN chart
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hello All.

     Any corrections or additions to the chart??
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 14                   9 Apr 2001


     === Begin routelst.r10 ===
      ; R10 routing list
      ; Update for 3/25/2001
      ; Entries marked with * are changed since last update
      ; Default routing is via  1:10/3
      ;
        1:10/*    <-- 1:10/3
        1:102     <-- 1:102/125   <-- 1:10/3
      *  1:103     <-- 1:103/301   <--1:10/3
        1:103     <-- 1:103/301   <--1:140/1
      *  1:103     <-- 1:103/301   <--1:18/500
        1:143     <-- 1:396/1
        1:161     <-- 1:161/84    <-- 1:10/3
        1:202     <-- 1:202/5     <-- 1:10/3
      *  1:203  1:203/127 1:10/3
        1:205     <-- 1:102/125   <-- 1:10/3
        1:208     <-- 1:208/402   <-- 1:202/701   <-- 1:10/3
        1:209     <-- 1:209/7211  <-- 1:10/345
        1:211     <-- 1:211/400   <-- 1:10/3
        1:213     <-- 1:10/3
        1:214     <-- 1:214/1     <-- 1:10/4
        1:218     <-- 1:218/907   <-- 1:10/3
        1:218     <-- 1:218/903   <-- 1:10/3
        1:219     <-- 1:219/0     <-- 1:211/400   <-- 1:10/3
        1:345     <-- 1:345/0     <-- 1:10/345    <-- 1:18/500
      ---

     === End routelst.r10 ===

     Andy

     --- MyTosser 1.20/Pro
      * Origin: Region 10 EchoMail Coordinator
     <email r10ec@tnl-online.net> (1:10/1)

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     =================================================================
                                   HUMOR
     =================================================================

     Soon after marriage, a lady's husband stopped wearing his wedding
     ring. She asked, "Why don't you ever wear your wedding band?" He
     replied, "It cuts off my circulation." She answered back, "It's
     supposed to!"

             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

                       THE BUFFALO THEORY:

     I know all of you have read or heard this wisdom before,
     but I have not seen anyone explain it as well as the almighty
     wise Cliff Clavin on the sitcom Cheers. One afternoon at Cheers,
     Cliff Clavin explained the Buffalo Theory to his buddy Norm.
     And here's how it went:

     "Well ya see Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only
     move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted,
     it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
     This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because
     the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving
     by the regular killing of the weakest members."

     "In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast
     as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we
     all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest
     and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of
     beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster
     and more efficient machine.

     That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

                           +++ NOTICES +++
     By: brenda donovan
     To: all
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hello all... With Andy Brown's incipient move to the east coast within
     the new few months, we thought it prudent to offload some of the
     official duties he was performing. I've asked Al Robres to take over
     as REC10 and he has graciously agreed.

     Al will be posting the ERN routing list here soon for everyone to
     peruse and request changes if they are needed. The route list is for
     ERN only, so main mail feeds are not part of the equation. Al will be
     getting in touch with various NEC's or NC's if the net
      doesn't have
     a NEC to find out if there are any issues needing resolving.

     He's here to help *you* all.  Please welcome the new REC10. :)

     And *Thank you*, Andy, for all you have done and put up with these
     past couple of years.

     take care..  -brenda   <donovan@tnl-online.net>
     --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: R10 RHUB - TNL Online!
      - IP/FTP Mail -
      San Diego, CA  (1:10/3)



     By: Carol Shenkenberger
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     5 March 2001

                     Region 13 RC Election
     The region 13 sysop-wide RC election has concluded and the winner is
     Thom LaCosta.

     My thanks go to the other 3 candidates, who also would have made
     excellent RC's for the region! Thom is now in process of 'turnover'
     with me and has already proven via testing, his ability to process
     nodelists at the RC level for use by the Z1C.  As of this writing,
     he is working with the NC's to establish session security.

     All NC's are being notified to remove session security they currently
     have on 1:13/0 and send new passwords to him.

     Unless we hit an unexpected snag, he should be listed as 1:13/0 by 12
     April 2001.   His term of office is slightly extended over normal R13
     methods due to the early election (conducted because I'm moving to
     Japan and cant fill the full term).  RC13 terms are 2 years in
     duration with elections in October normally.  October 2003 is the end
     of your term.

     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 17                   9 Apr 2001


     R13 Policy as voted by the sysops in R13, contains no limits to the
     number of terms an RC can fulfill but they have to do so by the same
     rules as all other candidates for the position.

     Welcome to Bedlam Thom!  Janis has affirmed it already so now you
     really are stuck with the job!  (Evil Grin)

      xxcarol Carol Shenkenberger Outbound> Elected RC13

      --- Telegard v3.  .g2-sp4 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA
      757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)



     <Extract>............. By: Frank Robbins
     Editor takes license to point to a Fidonet History Resources Site
     ---------------------------------------------------------------------

     I had researched the FidoNet Trademark in January this year and had
     placed a copy of the FidoNet Trademark documentation (from birth to
     present) on my FidoNet (Resource - Support - History) Site at:

         http://winramturbo.com/fidonet/fidores2.htm#Home

     As I have been collection FidoNet history for several years now and
     just have started to assemble it into a website before the "sands of
     time" or politics erase that info. I have noticed over the years of my
     collection efforts, lots of FidoNet history files are getting
     misplaced or lost too rapidly.

     Some people are not aware of the exact picture Tom used in his
     Trademark. I show an original copy of the Dog and Diskette that was
     submitted.

     I also have a link to Basic Facts About Registering A Trademark by US
     Patent and Trademark Office:

        http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/basic_facts.html

     It appears that some people should become familiar with those facts
     before stating an opinion that is contrary to US Patent and Trademark
     laws.

     I have visited several hundred FidoNet oriented websites over the
     years of collecting FidoNet history and have found that some do not
     give credit to Tom Jennings.

     BTW, I have been in recent contact with Tom Jennings on about two or
     three occasions. I can tell you this from other FidoNet SysOps who
     have tried to contact him, Tom Jennings does not always respond to
     everyone. I do feel lucky to have received written response from him.
     (Tom had seen some of my FidoNet history that I posted on another
     website of mine concerning his FidoNet endeavors through the years.)

     Janis Kracht also keeps a vigil for the rights of FidoNet! Good for
     her, too! 8-))
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 18                   9 Apr 2001


     Of course, there are more good FidoNet people out there!

     It is good to see people stand up for what is right and not be passive
     about it. Keep the torch burning! 8-))

     Frank Robbins at Tools of the Trade http://winramturbo.com/fidonet/
     --- BBBS/LiI v4.00 MP * Origin: http://www.TheLitterBox.org
      (1:109/263)




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     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     ------------------------------------------------------
     *Fidonet-related sites

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  March 3, 2001

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 20                   9 Apr 2001


          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 21                   9 Apr 2001


                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3407/4     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-15               Page 22                   9 Apr 2001


      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com




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     =================================================================
                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
     =================================================================

                      ***FIDONEWS INFORMATION***

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
     |                                                             |
     | Editor:     Warren D. Bonner, 1:1/23, editor@fidonews.org   |
     |             Crash mail attached: Fido News@1:2320/38        |
     | Webmaster:  Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org                    |
     | Columnist:  Joe Jared, 1:103/0, joejared@osirusoft.com      |
     |             (Fido Via Internet Hubs column)                 |
     | Columnist:  Ol' WDB, 1:103/401, wdbonner@pacbell.net        |
     | Humor:      Chuckles & Grins, emailed to editor             |
     | Columnist:  Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1                        |
     |             Plus The best sites of the week                 |
     | Columnist:  Jack Yates when in the Gawga mood               |
     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -  EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
     |                                                             |
     |       Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince      |
     |       Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees,    |
     |       Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink,      |
     |       Doug Meyers                                           |
     |                                                             |
     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

     "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
     trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
     94141, and are used with permission.

     Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
     Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2001 by Warren Bonner, though authors
     retain rights to their contributed articles, said articles are
     the property of the publication.  Opinions expressed by the
     author's is strictly their own.  Noncommercial duplication
     and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged.  Authors are
     encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to:
     Warren Bonner at one of his addresses above.


     The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file
     area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS.
     These sources are normally available through your Network
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     |         Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:140/1, or 1:396/1                    |
     |         ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/                     |
     |         ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/                 |
     |         http://www.fidonews.org                                |
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