      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 22             28 May 2001 
     +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
     | |The newsletter of the | | Fido, Fidonet and dog-with-diskette are |
     | |  FidoNet community.  | | US Registered Trademarks of Tom Jennings|
     | |Copyright through 2007| |     San Francisco, California, USA      |
     | |          ____________| |                                         |
     | |         /  __          |    Crash Netmail Attach Articles To:    |
     | |Fidonet /  /  \         |     Editor@1:1/23 (1-972-562-8064)      |
     | | Lives!(  /|oo \        |          Frank Vest@1:124/6308          |
     |  \_______\(_|  /_)       |                   or                    |
     |            _`@/_ \    _  |             flv@texoma.net              |
     |           |     | \   \\ |                                         |
     |           | (*) |  \   ))|           Editor: Frank Vest            |
     |           |__U__| /  \// |     Deputy-Editor: Lawrence Garvin      |
     |  ______    _//|| _\   /  |                                         |
     | /Editor\  (_/(_|(____/   |   Newspapers should have no friends.    |
     |(________)        (jm)    |                    -- JOSEPH PULITZER   |
     +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        Memorial Day in the U.S.A  ................................  2
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  3
        The Fidonews Banner  ......................................  3
     4. INTERVIEWS  ...............................................  5
        Interview with Scott Jibben of Jibben Software  ...........  5
     5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN  ..........................................  7
        Fidonews' Need For Roving Reporters  ......................  7
     6. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  8
        Some FidoNet cows:  .......................................  8
     7. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ......................................  9
        Humor.jok  ................................................  9
     8. CLASSIFIED ADS  ........................................... 10
        Rotating Ads  ............................................. 10
     9. FIDONET LINKS  ............................................ 11
        Fido-via-Internet links  .................................. 11
     10. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 14
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 14
     11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 18
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 18
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 19
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 20
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     NEVER try to upgrade your system when you are looking at a deadline.

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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                           Memorial Day in the U.S.A.

      Monday, May, 28 is Memorial Day in the U.S.A.  On this day, we
     remember the men and women that have served our country and given
     their life in that service.

      It's a solemn day, but a good day, for it reminds us that what we
     have today was long in coming and high on cost. We should never forget
     that!

      It might not mean much to people in other Zones or Countries that the
     service men and women of the U.S. gave their life for their country,
     but you have had such men and women too.  They gave all when asked
     without a second thought.

      As a fellow human being, I'd like to invite all of you in all Zones,
     Nations and countries of Fidonet to join in a silent prayer of thanks
     to all those people that gave all in the service of their country.

     <moment of silence>

     Thank you,

      Frank Vest - Fidonews Editor and fellow Human being

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                                 EDITORIAL
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                              The Fidonews Banner

      Maybe you did and maybe you didn't notice the change in the Fidonews
     Banner... You know, that part with the dog and information?  Aww...
     come on.. You saw it, didn't you?? :-)

      Ok, I started looking at back issues of the Fidonews (you people have
     got to stop pointing me at stuff like that :) and found that there
     were several Fidonews Banners used over the years.

     Here is the first one from Volume 1, Number 1:

     Volume 1, Number 1                              1 Dec 84
     +----------------------------------------------------------+
     |                                             _            |
     |                                            /  \          |
     |    - FidoNews -                           /|oo \         |
     |                                          (_|  /_)        |
     |  Fido and FidoNet                         _`@/_ \    _   |
     |    Users  Group                          |     | \   \\  |
     |     Newsletter                           | (*) |  \   )) |
     |                             ______       |__U__| /  \//  |
     |                            / FIDO \       _//|| _\   /   |
     |                           (________)     (_/(_|(____/    |
     |                                                (jm)      |
     +----------------------------------------------------------+

      No, I'm not going to post every change in the Fidonews Banner that
     has been. :)

      I do think that it is interesting that the Banner has been changed.
     Being that I'm not one of the original Nodes in Fidonet and my
     attention isn't generally that great, I didn't notice the changes
     until I was pointed at the archives of the Fidonews in regards to that
     story by Tom Jennings in the Fidonews that was removed by a hub due to
     content.

      I'm not going to suggest that every Editor change the Fidonews Banner
     or that it should be changed. I really don't know why the changes took
     place either. Maybe someone with more history could answer that
     question.

      If you look at that first Banner above, you'll notice that it is
     simple. Computers were simple in that day.

      There isn't much information in the Banner. There wasn't much to tell
     back then. Remember that Fidonet and Fidonews were just beginning and
     were small.

      There is the Dog and a bowl. The words "Fidonews" and a few words
     telling that it is the Fido and Fidonet User Group Newsletter. Well...
     that's what it is.
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      Now, as time goes along, the Banner changed as Fidonet changed. So,
     here's my reason for the change and what it means to me only;

     Fidonet is growing. You might think I'm crazy, but we are moving into
     the Internet and doing so much more than we did just a few very short
     year ago. Think of the way computers have advanced. Think of how
     Fidonet is struggling to keep up. Sure, we're behind in many ways, but
     for a hobby, we aren't doing that bad. :) In this light, a change
     seemed in order.

     The new banner as I see it;

      Computers talk now. Some even understand speech to some degree.

     The Dog "talks" now. Notice the "bubble" that encloses the wording
     above the dog. It's much like the "bubble" that you read in many
     comics and advertising.

      The "Copyright" has been changed to reflect that it is a US
     copyright. I'm not going to get into that and you can read it however
     you wish.

      The bowl??

     Well, I liked the old dog with the bowl and decided to bring back some
     of the past. We move forward by learning from, respect of, and looking
     back on where we started from.

      The word "EDITOR" on the bowl??

     Sometimes I feel like I'm just so much food for Fidonet. Have you ever
     felt that way? :-)

     Anyway, there you have it. A story told and changes made. I hope the
     story is a positive one.

     Regards,

      Frank - Fidonews Editor and a meal. :)

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                                INTERVIEWS
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                 Interview with Scott Jibben of Jibben Software
                                 By Frank Vest


      As Editor of the Fidonews, a publication of the Fidonet mail network,
     I'm trying to interview various Authors of BBS related programs and
     other software for the Fidonews.

     With your permission, I'd like an E-Mail address and Web page, if
     available, to publish in the Fidonews.


      Q: Tell us a little about Scott. Just who are you? :)

     I don't do much with the BBS anymore.  I've been consulting for
     database enabled web sites using Cold Fusion since I got out of the
     BBS market.  My software is essentially freeware now.  I give out keys
     to anyone who asks for them.  Someday I will produce versions that
     don't need keys (one of the packages is already in this state).  If
     the demand gets too high to produce free keys, I'll convert these
     doors more quickly or I'll just put out public keys that anyone can
     use.

      Q: What got you first interested in BBS?

     I started using BBS when 2400 baud modems where the affordable option.
     9600 baud was just getting introduced but the cost was prohibitive.  I
     suppose that this would be back around 1987 or so.  I started a BBS
     with my friend, Travis Carter, called The Warehouse in 1990 or 1991.
     It had just about everything and quickly went from a 2-line system to
     a 10-line system. Travis then quit the BBS to pursue a new
     opportunity, US Internet.  US Internet is one of the largest regional
     Internet ISP's in our area (www.usinternet.com).  Travis turned over
     the BBS to me.  The BBS market kept shrinking.  At first I dropped to
     six lines, then three.  Finally, it was simply not cost effective to
     keep a BBS running for only about 100 people.

      Q: How long have you been programming?

     I have been programming in one form or another since about 1982.

      Q: What prompted you to begin writing Doors and other utilities?

     I saw doors as an opportunity to write games that I wouldn't have been
     able to publish commercially against Sierra On-Line and Origin
     Systems.  It was really fun to figure out how to squeeze a full
     dungeon that was similar to Wizardry into about 400K of memory and
     support multiple users and inter-node combat.

      Q: What do you see as the strong points of your programs? Give us a
     quick review.

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     I tried to make my doors be multi-node friendly so that you could have
     real inter-node chat and combat.  In Mines of Gorr, I still believe
     that I have some of the best ANSI graphics for a D&D door available.
     FYI, these were all drawn by a fellow named David Cates from Arizona
     on a voluntary basis.

      Q: Where do you see door games going in the future?

     Well, I haven't followed door games that much in the last few years.
     The days of BBS making large amounts of money are gone.  Almost all of
     the large BBS systems that I used to like playing with/on are either
     gone or have moved entirely over to be an ISP.  So, the BBS market and
     doors will revert back to the people who have the time to make door
     games for fun and fame instead of money.  My time has to be divided
     between family and revenue so I don't see an opportunity for myself to
     get back into the BBS door game market.

      Q: Where do you see BBS systems going in the future?

     I see them reverting back to the 'good old days' where the BBS was
     maintained by the hobbyist.  Since many of the door games are now free
     to use and even many of the BBS software packages are free it isn't
     that expensive to start a BBS.  The real problem is getting users to
     know you exist.  Running a BBS for a profit will be difficult to do
     unless you have a unique feature that no one else has and it is
     something that people want. Another good option is to get a DSL
     connection and wire the BBS to the Internet.

      Q: Anything else you want to add or tell the readers?

     I was amazed at how quickly the BBS market shrank with the emergence
     of the Internet.  So, don't get into a BBS with the idea that you'll
     make tons of money via subscriptions.  Go into it with the full
     realization that the SysOp will fund most, if not all of the costs.
     If you don't want to run it as a hobby then perhaps you should find
     something else to do.  The BBS has come full circle and is back at the
     hobbyist level.  Enjoy the relationships that you start and build
     through a BBS because that is now the reward of running one.

     If you want to use my doors to help attract people to your BBS, be my
     guest! You can download them at http://www.jibbensoftware.com.

     Scott Jibben
     12133 Norway Street NW
     Coon Rapids, MN  55448

     [EMAIL] scott@jibben.com
     [VOICE] 763-757-5626
     [FAX] 763-862-8371

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                              OL'WDB'S COLUMN
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                        Ol'WDB's Column
              Fidonews' Need For Roving Reporters
                        wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Frank has been doing a real fine job with what he has to work with,
     with respect to articles received by you roving reporters. Yes each of
     you are a roving reporter, that scan the echoes and enjoy fidonews to
     catch up on what's going on through out this and other zones. And my
     friend is somewhat dismayed that 99% of you have offered nothing! I
     said, "perhaps I could give them a nudge..!?!"

     Frank replied, "Naaah, that would only embarrass them. I never mean to
     do that! The fidonews articles should come in freely from the many
     prolific writers of their own free will and spirit of contributions".

     I said, "I'm sure they don't mean to be insensitive... you know how
     fidoneters are, getting the cookie out of the cookie jar is more
     important than putting a nickels worth of time in return for the
     cookie, or the lid back on the cookie jar".

     Frank just grinned and shrugged the doubts in his mind off for the
     moment and wished me and family a happy Memorial holiday.

     I would like to extend that wish to all of you also, and please try to
     assist your fidonews editor with an article, poem, recipe, or juicy
     tidbit.

     This is a plea to ALL zones, you echo bitch that everything is about
     zone one in the Snooze, well, here is a golden opportunity to give
     input about your own zones... send in election news, or news of sysops
     who have rendered outstanding assistance to new comers, or what you
     would like to see included in the weekly news.

     Well gotta put a new 3-way switch on the dinning room fan, chain broke
     out of old switch, a sealed unit, so hafta replace. Then finish repair
     on 25" TV master Bd-rm. I think there is always two or more things to
     fix at any given moment in this household!

     Ol'wdb
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~


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                              COMIX IN ASCII
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     Some FidoNet cows:
     Sergy Mikhaltchouk, 2:5030/1068.10

                          (__)
                          (oo)
       /-------------------\/
      / H\_              H-H
     *  H H\      ______/H H
        H W (    )       H W
        W    /||\ u      W
           u      V---\     u         u
       /---V      |--| *    V---\     V---\
      * |--|                |--| *    |--| *

     The node-cow with its points

                                   (__)
                                   (oo)
       /----------------------------\/
      / H\_                       H-H
     *  H H\      _____     _____/H H
        H W (    )     (    )     H W
        W    /||\       /||\      W

     The multiline node-cow

      (__)                    (__)
      (oo)                    (oo)
       \/----------------------\/
        H-H                  H-H
        H H\_____      _____/H H
        W H      (    )      H W
          W       /||\       W

     The gate-cow
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                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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                                Meet/Meat
                               From Ol' WDB


     Mrs Badmouth said to her butcher, "Those sausages
     you sold me yesterday were meat at one end and
     nothing but cornmeal at the other end!"
      Mr Rockbottom butcher replied, "Well, you know how it is . . .
     it's difficult these days to make both ends meat."  8^)

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                              CLASSIFIED ADS
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                                  Rotating ads


      As a service of the Fidonews, I am prepared to offer rotating ads for
     those that provide services to Fidonet such as Mail Hubs, Gateways,
     Fidonet via Internet and such.

      How this works:

     1. Create an ad following the guidelines for the Fidonews.
     2. Keep it short and to the point.
     3. Put contact and other needed information in the ad.
     4. Send it to Frank Vest as a file attach.
       A. E-Mail "flv@texoma.net
       B. Netmail "Frank Vest - 1:124/6308

      I will put the ad in a pool and use a program each week to
     automatically rotate the ads into the Fidonews.

      Please! If you stop offering service or need to change your ad,
     contact me! This is very important to keep the ads current.

     I'm doing this on a trial basis. If it gets to be a problem, I will
     have to discontinue the service. I can make no promise of how often
     your ad will be in the Fidonews. This will depend on how many ads I
     have to rotate through.

      As always in Fidonet, I make no guaranties. :)

     Regards,

      Frank Vest - Fidonews Editor

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                               FIDONET LINKS
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                            Fidonet-via-Internet links
                            Last updated May 25th 2001

     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
      Fido addr |     Sysop       |     Internet address     | Flags
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     1:10/3     | Brenda Donovan  | tnl-online.com           | BN TX MI FT
     1:10/345   | Todd Cochrane   | bbsnets.com              | BN FT
     1:103/153  | Michael Box     | 216.101.212.214          | BN
     1:103/301  | Joe Jared       | osirusoft.com            | BN FT
     1:103/401  | Warren Bonner   | thelaststop.osirusoft.com| BN
     1:103/5    | Mark Luetger    | eaglemaster.dynip.com    | BN
     1:105/8    | Russ Johnson    | telnet.dimstar.net       | BN FT UC
     1:106/1    | Steve Loupe     | 216.128.49.228           | BN FT
     1:106/2000 | Bob Juge        | juge.com                 + BN VM FT TX
     1:106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | bbs.eforest.net          | VM
     1:107/453  | Jeffrey Estevez | jem.homeip.net           $ BN
     1:138/146  | Marc Blakely    | lookglas.tzo.com         + BN FT
     1:140/1    | Bob Seaborn     | nwstar.com               $ BN FT
     1:142/906  | Chris Griffin   | dosadi.4griffin.net      + BN
     1:150/220  | Dave Nemeth     |                          + UC
     1:153/7715 + Dallas Hinton   | bandmaster.tzo.com       $ BN FT
     1:163/99   | Jim Brown       |                          + FT
     1:167/133  | Stephen Monteith| juxtaposition.dynip.com  | FT VM TX BN
     1:167/166  | Jesse Dooling   | concept.darktech.org     +POP UC TX FT
     1:18/500   | Ross Cassell    | www.the-estar.com:8080   | FT FC BN
     1:18/600   | Jerry Gause     | techshop36.pdn.net       $ FT BN
     1:218/109  | Matt Munson     |                          | TX BN UC
     1:220/10   | George Roberts  | nexusbbs.net             | BN FT
     1:229/1    | Phil Simpson    | swill.tzo.com            + BN FC FT
     1:229/440  | Robert Couture  | runekeep.darktech.org    + BN FT MI TX
     1:229/622  | Dave Hamilton   | aurorabbs.dyndns.org     + BN
     1:2320/38  | Janis Kracht    | filegate.net             + BN FT
     1:2410/400 | Gary Gilmore    |                          + FT BN
     1:246/160  | Mason Vye       |                          | FT UC
     1:249/116  | Carl A Bennett  |http://cafe.dyndns.org/bbs| FT BN UC
     1:250/98   | Darin McBride   | tower.to.org             + BN FT TX
     1:250/99   | Brent McLaren   | hof.to.org               + FT BN
     1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin  |                          $ FT VM UC
     1:261/1380 | Joe Davis       |                          ?
     1:2624/306 | D Calafrancesco |                          | VM
     1:267/169  | Philip Lozier   | angelfire.com/ny4/net267 + FT TX
     1:297/11   | Michael McCabe  |                          + TX
     1:323/120  | Craig Healy     | chowdanet.com            + VM FT
     1:3407/4   | Robert Todd     |                          | BN FT VM UC
     1:342/3    |Richard Dodsworth| 24.108.67.218            | FT BN
     1:360/5    | Bennie Hutto    | thewallbbs.darktech.org  + FT VM
     1:3613/1275| Jack Yates      | jyates@bsdi.ldl.net      | FT UC MI TX
     1:3634/12  | Mark Lewis      | (see BACKSTAT files)     ?
     1:379/1    | Dale Ross       | harborwebs.com           | FC FT BN
     1:3830/5   | Jeff Schrunk    | bise.tzo.com             + BN FT TX UC
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     1:393/9005 | Steve Quarrella | valencia.dopefish.org TaD+ BN TX UC VM
     1:395/670  | Arthur Stark    | 204.189.115.194          | BN VM FT
     1:396/45   | Marc Lewis      | bbs.sursum-corda.com     $ BN FT TX MI
     1:396/48   | Ben Ritchey     |                          | MI
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     2:20/11    | Henrik Lindhe   |                          | BN
     2:201/505  | Goran Eriksson  | get.tzo.net              + BN
     2:203/600  | Mikael Karlsson |                          | TX UC
     2:22/222   | Kim Heino       | bbbs.net                 + BN
     2:221/360  | Tommi Koivula   | rbb.homeip.net           | BN VM MI UC
     2:236/205  | Michael Kaaber  | vmodem.fidobbs.dk        | BN VM
     2:2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | iogate.dtdns.net         + BN UC
     2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich |                          | BN UC
     2:2432/200 | Sven Dueker     | pbbs.darktech.org        + BN TX MI UC
     2:2446/301 | Lothar Behet    | fido.nrh.de              | BN FC VM
     2:246/2098 | Volker Imre     | binkd.imre.dyndns.org    | BN FC
     2:2474/275 | Christian Emig  | (see nodelist)           | UC
     2:2476/419 | Tobias Ernst    | physcip.uni-stuttgart.de + BN
     2:255/90   | Simon Avery     | www.digdilem.org         + UC
     2:263/950  | Sean Rima       | tcob1.staticky.com       + BN
     2:28/1     | Lody Caenen     | 194.109.197.102          + BN FT
     2:280/1027 | Lukas de Groen  |                          + BN
     2:280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur|                          | FT UC
     2:280/4312 | Jos Huijnen     | snake.ath.cx             + BN FC MI TX
     2:292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck  |                          | BN
     2:292/620  | Eddy Missoul    | www.cabdrivers.com       | BN TX
     2:292/624  | Steven Leeman   | www.fidonet.be           | TX BN
     2:292/854  | Ward Dossche    | many-glacier.mine.nu     + MI UC TX BN
     2:301/1    | Peter Witschi   |                          | BN
     2:332/807  | Roberto Mascolo | unitedworld.yi.org       | BN
     2:335/534  | Mario Mure'     | (see nodelist)           | MI TX UC
     2:335/610  | Gino Lucrezi    | (see nodelist)           | TX UC MI
     2:341/14   | Rafael Suarez   | bbs.rafastd.org          + BN VM
     2:344/201  | Julio Garcia    | julio.masbytes.es        | VM
     2:346/3    | Carlos Navarro  | http://cyberiada.org     | UC MI
     2:382/100  | Sinisa Burina   | miracle.fido.org.yu      | BN FC
     2:400/555  | Ofir Michaeli   |                          | BN FC
     2:400/557  | Marius Kaizerman|                          | BN FC
     2:400/558  | Vlad Hrusca     | fido.lamberth.org        + BN FC
     2:423/81   | Milos Bajer     | fido.bajer.cz            | BN FC VM
     2:461/256  | Andrew Rutkas   |                          + BN
     2:461/640  | Alex Semenyaka  | snark.rinet.ru           + BN FC MI
     2:465/204  | Va Milushnikov  | fido.os.org.ua           | BN
     2:469/128  | Oleg Vasenyoff  |                          + BN FC
     2:469/84   | Max Masyutin    |                          | VM
     2:480/112  | Adam Sarapata   | mail.bossar.pl           | BN FC FT
     2:5014/4   | Alex Bagmanov   |                          ?
     2:5020/1159| G Kudryashoff   | (see nodelist)           | UC MI
     2:5020/52  | Peter Didenko   |                          ?
     2:5020/54  | Serge Wizgounoff|                          ?
     2:5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin|                          | BN FC
     2:5049/12  | Amir Shabashvili| f144.n5049.z2.fidonet.net+ BN
     2:5054/3   | Andrew Popov    |                          + BN
     2:5100/8   | Egons Bush      |                          | BN
     2:550/4077 | S Trouchelle    | (see nodelist)           | MI UC
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     3:633/260  | Malcolm Miles   | fido.tardis.net          | BN FC
     3:640/954  | Rick Van Ruth   | albatross.dyndns.org     | BN FT MI TX
     3:774/605  | Barry Blackford | glonet.co.nz             | BN FC
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     4:801/161  | Renato Zambon   | (see BACKSTAT.WW)        | TX MI UC
     4:902/18   | Javier Tejedor  |                          | UC
     4:905/100  | Fabian Gervan   | cactus.com.ar            | BN TX
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     5:7102/1   | Joe Rinck       |                          ?
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     6:654/0    | Bin Li          |                          ?
     6:770/1    | Anatoli Tung    | 213.135.64.194           + BN
     -----------+-----------------+--------------------------+------------
     I-flags:
      BN - BinkD-compatible protocol
      FC - Ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
      FT - Internet file transfer protocol
      MI - MIME encoded e-mail attach
      TX - TransX-style proprietary e-mail format
      UC - UUencoded e-mail fileattach
      VM - Virtual mailer over telnet

      Txx indicates server is only available during specified hours

      + indicates a recent addition to this list
      ? indicates information is pending verification from hub
      $ indicates a cost recovery plan (CRP) or commercial server
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     This is not a complete list of all available feeds; if you have
     a Fido-via-Internet site that's not listed, please let me know.

     The information in this list is based largely upon information
     obtained from individual hubs, nodelists, ERNROUTE hub/path info
     and backbone info provided by the various distribution systems.

     Please send updates and comments to carlb@cafe.dyndns.org 1:249/116

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 14                  28 May 2001


     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================


                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  March 3, 2001

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 15                  28 May 2001


       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 16                  28 May 2001


                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3407/4     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 17                  28 May 2001


      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 18                  28 May 2001


     =================================================================
                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
     =================================================================

                            How to Submit an Article


     If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here
     are the guidelines:

     No more than 70 characters per line. This includes spaces.

     No right or left margins.

     Plain ASCII text _only_. Good rule is: If you can't type it on a plain
     typewriter, don't use it.

     Put a title to the article and your name.
      1. Put the title in two time. The first time should be with an *
      before it and the second time without the *. This will help in the
      format since the title with the * is removed and used in the index
      and the other one will remain and show what the article is about.

     Articles that contain vulgar language will not be accepted.

     Deadline for article submission is Saturday, 12:00 midnight (24:00
     hours) according to _my_ clock. I'm in the Central Time Zone in the
     U.S.A. That's GMT-6. Articles received after the deadline will appear
     in the next Fidonews.

     Help the Editor by following the above guides. Below are some subjects
     and the file extension for the article as set in the configuration
     file for the making of the Fidonews. The file name can be anything up
     to 8 characters. Please help by putting the file extension of the
     correct subject on the file name..

     Ideas for Subject areas:

         Subject               File  |      Subject               File
     --------------------------------|---------------------------------
      Software Reviews (Fido) *.rev  |  Getting Technical        *.ftc
      Web Page Reviews        *.web  |  General Articles         *.art
      Fidonet Current Events  *.cur  |  Clean Jokes & Humor      *.jok
      Ascii Comix             *.cmx  |  From the *Cs             *.css
      Rebuttals               *.reb  |  Guest Editorial          *.gue
      Advertise               *.ads  |  Recipes                  *.rec

     Details:

     Software Reviews (Fido): Reviews of software for Fidonet and BBS.

     Getting Technical: Tech articles about Fidonet. How-to and such.

     Web Page Reviews: Reviews of Fidonet (maybe other) Related Web Pages.

     General Articles: These don't seem to fit in other places.
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 19                  28 May 2001


     Fidonet Current Events: Elections relating to Fidonet, new Nodes
                             coming in and other such articles.

     Clean Jokes & Humor: Funny stories and jokes that are not vulgar.

     Ascii Comix: Those wonderful Ascii Comics that we used to have in the
                  Fidonews.

     From the *Cs: Letters from the *Cs about what is going on in Fidonet.

     Rebuttals: Didn't like an article, want to say something in reply to
                an article? Say it here

     Guest Editorial: Don't let the Editor get all the glory. Write your
                      own editorial and submit it.

     Advertise: Advertise your free Fidonet service, Fidonet event or
                whatever to do with Fidonet that you offer. If you are a
                Fidonet Service provider such as a "Fido<>Internet", Star
                Hub or some other such service provider, we can arrange to
                run your ad on a rotating basis. Ask the Editor.

     Recipes: Recipes from Sysops, readers or interested parties.


     If you follow these simple guidelines, there should be little problem
     in getting your article published. If your submission is too far out
     of specs for the Fidonews, it will be returned to you and/or a message
     sent informing you of the problem.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                    Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  FIDONEWS STAFF - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
     |                                                             |
     | Editor:     Frank L. Vest, 1:1/23, editor@fidonews.org      |
     |             Crash mail attached: Editor@1:1/23              |
     |             E-Mail Attach flv@texoma.net                    |
     | Webmaster:  Jim Barchuk, jb@fidonews.org                    |
     | Columnist:  Joe Jared, 1:103/0, joejared@osirusoft.com      |
     |             (Fido Via Internet Hubs column)                 |
     | Columnist:  Warren Bonner - Ol'WDB's Corner                 |
     | Columnist:  Jack Yates when in the Gawga mood               |
     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -  EDITORS EMERITI - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
     |                                                             |
     |       Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince      |
     |       Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees,    |
     |       Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg, Henk Wolsink,      |
     |       Doug Meyers, Warren D. Bonner                         |
     |                                                             |
     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

     "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 20                  28 May 2001


     trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA
     94141, and are used with permission.

     Fidonews is published weekly by and for the members of Fidonet.
     Fidonews is Copyright (C) 2001 by Frank L. Vest, though authors
     retain rights to their contributed articles.  Opinions expressed
     by the authors is strictly their own.  Noncommercial duplication
     and distribution within Fidonet is encouraged.  Authors are
     encouraged to send their articles in ASCII text to:
     Frank Vest at one of his addresses above.


     The weekly edition of Fidonews is distributed through the file
     area FIDONEWS, and is published as echomail in the echo FIDONEWS.
     These sources are normally available through your Network
     Coordinator. The current and past issues are also available from
     the following sources:

     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -  FIDONEWS AVAILABILITY - -- -- -- -- -- -- +
     |                                                                |
     |                Freq FIDONEWS @ 1:140/1                         |
     |         ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/                 |
     |         http://www.fidonews.org                                |
     |         email subscription: majordomo@fidonews.org             |
     |                         (subject: help body: list)             |
     |         ftp mail: ftpmail@fidonews.org (subject: help)         |
     |                                                                |
     + -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- +

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                 Nodelist Stats


      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.145
      File has a Date Stamp of :  5/25/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1250.01 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 11745 Nodes in it
      and a total of  14707 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      68 Region Coordinators listed.
                     507 Network Hosts listed.
                     801 Hubs listed.
                     426 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     802 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     352 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1382 ( 11.77 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 802 (  6.83 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
                  9600 =  10098 (  85.98 %)
                      (HST's =  228 or   2.26 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                      (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
     FIDONEWS 18-22               Page 21                  28 May 2001


                      (PEP's =   20 or   0.20 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (HAY's =    6 or   0.06 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V32's = 5652 or  55.97 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V32B's =  850 or   8.42 % "       "    "     "   )
                      (V42's = 5235 or  51.84 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V42B's =  907 or   8.98 % "       "    "     "   )
                  2400 =    123 (  1.05 %)
                  1200 =      8 (  0.07 %)
                   300 =    543 (  4.62 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4793
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                12
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       14
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      79
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     420
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4825
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   4539 ( 38.65 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5859 ( 49.89 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    867 (  7.38 %)

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