     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 40             01 Oct 2001 
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         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        Continuing the Elist thoughts  ............................  2
        Echolist, And How It's Done in Zone 2 Region 24  ..........  3
     3. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  5
        Cows  .....................................................  5
     4. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ......................................  6
        Dividing the Nuts  ........................................  6
        Some More Church Humor  ...................................  6
     5. OTHER STUFF  ..............................................  8
        This week's Calandar  .....................................  8
     6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  .................................  9
        Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*  ..........................  9
     7. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 15
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 15
     8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 21
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 21
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 22
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 23
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
     =================================================================

     "We are all prisoners of the average. This is not merely an
     intuition...it is based on observations too varied to try to organize
     by genus and phyla. So I will just heap them up in front of you:
     darkness and light...yea and nay...heat and cold...good and
     evil...sickness and health...wealth and poverty...beauty and
     ugliness...subjective and objective... positive and negative...big,
     little...high, low...just, unjust...you name it..."

     ---Bill Bonner,  The Daily Reckoning

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     =================================================================
                             GENERAL ARTICLES
     =================================================================

                         Continuing the Elist thoughts
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308

      Last week I wrote a small article about thoughts on the Elist in
     Zone1.  It seems that Zone1 isn't the only Zone where an Elist is in
     place. I'm going to continue these thoughts in hopes of merging them
     and see what happens.

      Zone1 has two echomail distributors. The Z1B (Zone 1 Backbone) and
     the NAB (North American Backbone). The main difference I see between
     the two backbones is that one purges echos based on traffic and the
     Elisting and the other uses the Elist only. I'm not going to argue the
     pros and cons of purging by traffic. The common factor here is that
     both use the Elist in some way.

     A. The Elist is the basis for what echos are carried in Zone1.
       1. The Elist shows what Network distributes a particular echo.
         a. If the echo is listed for Fidonet distribution, it's a Fidonet
            echo?
         b. If an echo is listed as being from another Network, it is an
            "OtherNet" echo?
       2. If an echo is listed in one Network and another Network wishes to
          distribute that echo, an agreement for gating the echo between
          the Networks must be worked out?

      So, it seems that the Elist is a tool to determine what echos are
     available and from what Network. If an echo is Elisted as an
     "Othernet" echo, it can not be distributed in Fidonet Zone1 and visa
     versa??

      Let's look at this.

      Example: I start an echo with a tag of BACK_TO_BASICS. I Elist it as
     a Fidonet echo for distribution.  An "Othernet" decides to start an
     echo with the same tag. Does the fact that I have it Elisted as a
     Fidonet echo stop them? I doubt it.  Would it stop me from
     distributing the echo if it was Elisted as an "Othernet" echo. Not if
     I wanted to distribute it. Of course, the echo wouldn't be Elisted as
     my echo.

      The thought here is multi-part.

     A. Is the Elist a tool or a rule?
       1. If a tool, then all Echo Tags must be listed or listable?
        a. The fact that one Network has an echo tag listed could not be
           cause for refusing to list the same tag from another network?
         1. There could be 2+ listings for each echo tag. Each listing from
            a different Network?
       2. If a rule, then only Fidonet tags are allowed?
        a. If other tags are allowed, Fidonet tags take priority?
         1. If a tag is listed from an "Othernet", Fidonet could list the
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            same tag and "bump" the "Othernet" tag off the Elist?

     Just some thoughts.

     Regards,

      Frank

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                Echolist, And How It's Done in Zone 2 Region 24
                        By Dennis Alexis Valin Dittrich

     As Frank Vest wrote his thoughts about the Zone 1 elist and because
     there is some dispute about its sense and use I felt the urge to
     comment on his article by explaining how we in Region 24 of Zone 2
     coordinate our echomail conferences.

     First of all, there is some kind of elist. And, there is a collection
     of nodes who act as regional backbone. These nodes are obliged to
     carry all echomail conferences listed in our 'elist'. Most of these
     nodes exchange mail nearly instantaneously using binkd, i.e. fido over
     IP. But this is not what I want to write about.

     How is an echomail conference listed in the Region 24 elist?
     The Grandfather mechanism. Per definition all backbone conferences are
     listed in the Region 24 elist. In order to be a backbone conference
     there has to be a rules file for this echo conference sent to the REC
     which means most times that there is a moderator, too. Some times the
     participants of a conference voted against moderatorship thus there
     are unmoderated conferences on the backbone as well. In the
     corresponding rules file the status unmoderated is then recorded. The
     REC protects these conferences from hijacking. Only a majority vote of
     the participants can install a new moderator and thus change the
     status of this conference.
     The New Born mechanism. Even now in times of declining participation
     in fidonet there is some times need for a new conference. There are
     essentially two ways to get a new conference into the elist. Get it
     distributed by your own and as soon as it has traffic and is available
     in a larger area, i.e. several nets, it is listed in the elist. For
     infomation purposes you can ask the REC to list this conference in a
     list for 'additional echo conferences which are available in the
     region but not neccessarily on the backbone'. The second way to get
     your conference into the region elist and thus onto the backbone is to
     just find some nodes (or even only points) who want this new
     conference. If there are at least 6 nodes from at least 3 different
     nets your conference gets listed in the region elist and thus
     immediately on the backbone.

     What purpose does the region echo conference list have?
     The Region 24 echo conference list acts as centrally coordinated
     forward list for the whole region. If a conference is listed in this
     list you can be sure to get it at your local uplink. Second, there is
     an indicator for the read/write permission showing whether there are
     restrictions or not. Third, name and AKA of the moderator or the
     status unmoderated are recorded. Forth, there will be (at least some)
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     traffic since the REC and the backbone coordinator monitor the traffic
     and drop conferences from the region elist if they lack traffic for a
     specific amount of time. Thus, you always know what topics are covered
     by existing, active conferences in our region.

     When and how is a conferences droped from the region elist?
     If a conference lacks traffic for more than 40 days the moderator will
     be notified that her conference is soon due for deletion. This fact
     will be announced in a special conference as well. Thus, everyone can
     veto the deletion process. Either (s)he just writes a message in the
     conference and thus produces traffic or asks for special protection
     because this conference is known for sporadic traffic due to some
     seasonal effects. Up to now this special treatment was always granted
     if asked for. If a conference lacks traffic for more than 70 days it
     will be droped from the region elist and listed in the region 'kill
     list' instead. Conferences listed in this kill list are automatically
     deleted from all backbone systems.

     The abovementioned lists are weekly generated by the REC using a perl
     script, the rules file archive, the traffic data base which consists
     of the latest traffic statistics of all backbone nodes and some
     control files to cover special cases. These lists are then hatched to
     a region wide distributed file echo. Changes in these lists are
     announced to the abovementioned special echo conference.

     As a last remark, the world wide backbone (WWB) forward list for
     region 24 is derived from the region elist and there are several
     forward lists from other regions of Zone 2, too.
     Michiel, there are elists in Zone 2...

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                              COMIX IN ASCII
     =================================================================

                                      Cows


                             (__)                      (__)
                     ^^      (oo)                      (--)
                 ^^^^ /-------\/                      /-\/-\
              ^^^^^  / |     ||                      /|    |\
            ^^^^^   *  ||----||                     ^ |    | ^
         ^^^^^^^^  ====^^====^^====                   |    |
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^/                                   /----\
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                              /    \ \
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^             ^      * ^
          Cow Hanging Ten at Malibu         Cow sunning at Fort Lauderdale
                                                (What a bod, huh guys?)

                    )\               (__)
                   /  \              (oo)
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                Cow swimming at Amityville
     (Where Jaws was filmed, for those less educated)


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     =================================================================
                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
     =================================================================


     Submitted by wdbonner@pacbell.net

                     Dividing the Nuts

      Two boy scouts went on a nature hike in the hills picking hickory
     nuts. Along the way, they filled their small pails and then started to
     fill their pockets and shirts.

     When they could hold no more nuts, they started down the country road
     until they came across a cemetery.  The boys decided that would be a
     good place to stop and rest and divide out the nuts. The two boys sat
     in the shade of a large oak tree and unloaded their pockets and
     buckets by dumping all of the nuts in a large pile.

     In the process, two of them rolled away and rested near the road. The
     boys then proceeded to divide out the nuts. "One for you. One for me.
     One for you. One for me."

     As they were doing this, another boy was passing by and happened to
     hear them. He looked into the cemetery, but could not see the boys,
     because they were obscured by the tree. He hesitated a moment and then
     ran back to town.

     "Father! Father!" he yelled as he entered his house. "The cemetery.
     Come quick!"

     "What's the matter?" his father asked.

     "No time to explain," the boy frantically panted. "Follow me!"

     The boy and his father ran up the country road and stopped when they
     reached the cemetery. They stopped at the side of the road and all
     fell silent for a few moments. Then the father asked his son what was
     wrong.

     "Do you hear that?" he whispered. Both people listened intently and
     heard the Scouts. "One for me. One for you. One for me......"

     The boy then blurted out, "The devil and the Lord are dividing the
     souls!"

     The father was skeptical but silent -- until a few moments later as
     the Scouts completed dividing out the nuts and one Scout said to the
     other, "Now, as soon as we get those two nuts down by the road, we'll
     have them all..."
     :^)

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                             Some More Church Humor

     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 7                    1 Oct 2001


     A little boy was overheard praying: "Lord, if
     you can't make me a better boy, don't worry about it.
     I'm having a real good time like I am."
                         ~~~~~~~~~~
     A Sunday school teacher asked her little
     children, as they were on the way to church service,
     "And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?" One
     bright little girl  replied, "Because people are
     sleeping."
                         ~~~~~~~~~~
     The preacher was wired for sound with a lapel
     microphone, and as he preached, he moved briskly
     about he moved to one side, getting wound up in the
     cord and nearly tripping before jerking it again. After
     several circles and jerks, a little girl in the third pew
     leaned  toward her mother and whispered, "If he gets
     loose,  will he hurt us?"

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     =================================================================
                                OTHER STUFF
     =================================================================

                              This week's Calandar

     Day                       Holiday
     1
         Armed Forces Day in Korea, South
         Cyprus Independence Day in Cyprus
         Independence Day in Nigeria
         Independence Day/Tuvalu Day in Tuvalu
         National Day in China
         National Day in Nigeria
         Regency Exchange in San Marino
     2
         Anniversary of Guinean Independence/Independence Day in Guinea
         Mahatma Gandhi's Birthday in India
         Republic Day in Guinea
     3
         Francisco Morazan's Birthday/Morazan Day in Honduras
         National Foundation Day in Korea, South
     4
         Independence Day in Lesotho
     5
         Constitution Day in Vanuatu
         Republic Day/Anniversary of Proclamation of the Republic in
         Portugal
     6
         Armed Forces Day in Egypt
         Labor Day in Australia
         United Nations Day in Barbados
     7
         Day of Goodwill in Namibia
         Merchant Holiday in Antigua and Barbuda

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     =================================================================
                         FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================

                        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     BBBS Home Page
     b@bbbs.net
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     elebbs@elebbs.com
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     info@HermesII.org
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
     sales@lainus.com
     http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

     Mystic BBS
     http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     groberts@nexusbbs.net
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Proboard
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     RemoteAccess Central
     Bruce Morse
     bfmorse@rapro.com
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Searchlight
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     Spitfire BBS
     Buffalo Creek Software
     MDWoltz@AOL.COM
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     Synchronet BBS
     sysop@vert.synchro.net
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     http://www.synchro.net

     Telegard BBS
     support@telegard.net
     http://www.telegard.net/

     Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Bentstone Capabilities Group
     info@stonebenders.com
     http://www.srupc.com/mall

     Jibben Software
     scott@jibben.com
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     JNS Software Door Games
     Rusty Johnson
     rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
     304-733-0113
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     PC Pursuits
     brucep@pop.kis.net
     (301)240-6653
     http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

     S and T Software
     Mark Bappe
     mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net
     (770)788-6843
     http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

     Shinning Star BBS Doors
     nannette@shiningstar.net
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Sunrise Door Software
     Al Lawerence
     al@sunrisedoors.com
     (404)256-9518
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     The Brainex System
     info@brainex.com
     http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     jpritch@eisonline.com
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     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
     1:299/110

     Vagabond Software
     Bryan Turner
     vagabond@darktech.org
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
     1:124/7013

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
     2:280/1076

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     Definite Solutions
     sales@defsol.se
     http://www.defsol.se/


     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Plantinum Express for Wildcat
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     BinkD
     maloff@corbina.net
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidogate
     Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     Bo Bendtsen
     sales@terminate.com
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     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     Internet Rex
     cruden@cs.ualberta.ca
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

     TransX
     Multiboard Communications Inc.
     support@multiboard.com
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
     1:2401/305

     TransNet
     transnet@ressl.com.ar
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     ramon@sbbs.se
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
     http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

     CrossPoint ("Original" version)
     http://www.crosspoint.de
     http://www.apoint-mail.de

     CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
     http://www.openxp.com (English)
     http://www.openxp.de (German)

     CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
     http://www.xp2.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

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     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com

     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Dead Links
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

     MBSE BBS for Linux
     http://freezer-burn.org/mbse/

     Renegade BBS
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://lord.darktech.org/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://www.bise.tzo.com/beemail/

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     BBS Software Name
     Company/Author
     Contact E-mail
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     Contact Telephone
     Internet address (if available)
     Fido style address (if available)

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                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
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                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
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                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 17                   1 Oct 2001


     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
       18/600   | Jerry Gause       | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      1:134/11  @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 18                   1 Oct 2001


     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BN IFCICO      | ???   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 19                   1 Oct 2001


      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 20                   1 Oct 2001


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     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
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                                 Nodelist Stats
      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.271
      File has a Date Stamp of :  9/27/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1206.75 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 11132 Nodes in it
      and a total of  14202 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      67 Region Coordinators listed.
                     497 Network Hosts listed.
                     763 Hubs listed.
                     370 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     849 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     518 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1333 ( 11.97 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 849 (  7.63 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
           9600 =   9554 (  85.82 %)
                       (HST's =  206 or   2.16 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                       (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                       (PEP's =   16 or   0.17 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V32's = 5407 or  56.59 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V32B's =  680 or   7.12 % "       "    "     "   )
                       (V42's = 5130 or  53.69 % "        "    "     "   )
                       (V42B's =  732 or   7.66 % "       "    "     "   )
           2400 =    114 (  1.02 %)
           1200 =      8 (  0.07 %)
            300 =    494 (  4.44 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 18-40               Page 24                   1 Oct 2001


      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4350
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                11
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       12
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      78
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     416
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4722
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   4035 ( 36.25 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5739 ( 51.55 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    842 (  7.56 %)

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