     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 47             19 Nov 2001 
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            Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ TOP STORIES ]  ..........................................  2
        The Fidonews at a glance  .................................  2
     3. [ FROM THE *CS ]  .........................................  3
        Zone 1 Internet only Nodes : part 1  ......................  3
        Let's not bring back geo-restrictive leash laws  ..........  4
     4. [ EDITORIAL ]  ............................................  8
        Poll analysis from the Editor's point of view  ............  8
     5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ...................... 10
        OL'WDB's Column  .......................................... 10
     6. [ FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ]  ...................... 11
        Exclusively for Lesley-Dee Dylan from Foxy Ferguson  ...... 11
     7. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  .................................. 12
        Comments made in the year 1957:  .......................... 12
     8. [ FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ]  ............................... 14
        -=-=- Come one -=-=- Come All -=-=  ....................... 14
     9. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............. 15
        Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*  .......................... 15
     10. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 21
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 21
     11. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  .................................... 27
        N.Y. Grand Lodge Public Relations  ........................ 27
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 28
     12. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 30
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 30
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 31
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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     "Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew Up"

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                              [ TOP STORIES ]
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                            The Fidonews at a glance

      In the "From the *Cs" section, we have two articles. One gives some
     guidelines for listing Internet Only Nodes in Zone 1. The other is
     from from Carl Austin Bennett titled "Let's not bring back
     geo-restrictive leash laws!" which deals with the aforementioned
     guidelines for listing Internet Only Nodes.

      In the Ads section, Shannon Talley invites all to join the L.O.R.D.
     Tournament that his BBS is having.

      This week's Editorial is based again on the poll taken a couple of
     weeks ago.

     Warren Bonner's Column this week seems to express his beliefs and
     feelings on Fidonet.

      This week's recipe was sent by Foxy Ferguson to Lesley-Dee Dylan.
     Mace?? Hmm. Oh, yeah, mace *is* a spice. :-)

     In the "Special Interests" area we have a notice from Warren Bonner
     about a upcoming TV show about the Masons Organization.

      Please write some Fidonet articles and send them. The Fidonews needs
     you.

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                             [ FROM THE *CS ]
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                      Zone 1 Internet only Nodes : part 1
                              by Janis Kracht, Z1C

     **********************************************************************
     This is one of a series of articles which define guidelines and
     proceedures for several aspects of nodelisting internet only nodes.
     The first of these deals with the geographic listing of new internet
     only nodes.

     Zone 1 members may wish to join the discussion of these in the Z1C
     echo.
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     There has been some discussion in various echos about how or where
     nodes may be listed if an existing fidonet node, NC or RC receives an
     application from a prospective new member.  None of this is really
     any different than what has been done in the past, but for the sake
     of new sysops and to answer some questions on this, an outline of the
     proceedure may be helpful.

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     I. Guidelines for nodelisting new ION nodes
     1: ION Applicants  who contact you who live in another region or net.
     2-4: What to do if you get no response from the applicant's NC or RC.
     II: ION nodes vs Dialup nodes and geographic placement.
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     I. Guidelines for nodelisting new ION nodes

     1 - ION Applicants who contact you who live in another region or net:
         If an applicant who doesn't live in your region contacts you
         regarding joining Fidonet, help him all you like with his setup,
         but direct him to the NC where he lives to get a node number.  If
         the net doesn't exist anymore in that geographic area and you
         have a question regarding what net this applicant would belong
         to, you can contact the RC of the applicant's Region.

     2 - What to do if you get no response from the applicant's NC or RC:
         If you get no response within a few days from the NC you've
         contacted, contact the RC of the geographically correct area
         where the applicant lives.

     3 - If you have had no response from the RC of his region within a
         week, contact the Z1C. NCs or RCs can contact me, or have the
         applicant contact me via Netmail, or e-mail,
         (janis@filegate.net), or my dialup line (502-245-6778), or my
         telnet bbs (filegate.net) at 1:2320/38.

     4 - Geographic exemptions are granted on a case by case basis as they
         always have been. Those desiring to be placed in a net or region
         other than their geographic net or region should work out details
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         with the NC or RC of the net or region where the applicant lives,
         and the non-geographic NC or RC.

     II - ION nodes vs Dialup nodes and geographic placement:

         As many of you know, those in some other Zones do not allow
         Internet-only systems to be listed in the nodelist, but list them
         rather as points; these points neither vote or are part of
         zone/regional/net elections. Here in Zone 1, however, internet
         only nodes are listed in nodelist, since the method of connection
         which a sysop uses does not make the node less reachable.

         Dialup nodes using crash mail are not much different than Binkp
         nodes using crash-mail.  The vehicle of delivery does not change
         the way nodelisted internet nodes connect to other nodelisted
         internet nodes, and the way that dialup nodelisted system
         communicate with these internet nodes in our common echomail
         pool, and routed netmail scheme.

         Likewise, the use of regional organization of networks and
         nodelisted sysops has not changed simply because a node connects
         via binkd, binkp, telnet or ftp.  The listing of new members
         should be consistent with existing geographic nets and regions
         where possible.

         Please note that where a node is nodelisted has no bearing on
         where he or she picks up Backbone echomail traffic. A node may
         connect anywhere desired to do so.

     Janis Kracht
     Z1C

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                Let's not bring back geo-restrictive leash laws!
                         Carl Austin Bennett 1:249/116

     Many dog-years ago in the faraway land of Lancaster, a poor abused
     Fido was on a short leash being pelted with lumps of Kohl, its netmail
     dog-eared and spied upon and its howling stifled. From the north came
     an offer of a better home for this poor Fido, and net 2404 came into
     being as a humane refuge followed by word from on high that that short
     geographic leash on Fido nodes in this zone was a thing of the past as
     the time had come to "pre-grant all geographic exemptions."

     Years passed and many of Fido's puppy friends have moved on, lured
     away by the sights and sounds of the big, colourful Internet.

     The kennel seemed almost silent, except for one strange little puppy
     from Oshawa who was busy working like a dog while all the other Fidos
     seemed more interested in letting sleeping dogs lie.

     Fido229 missed all those other puppies dearly but he had a plan.

     With a small barrel of Fido packets and info around his neck and an
     eager wag of the tail, he was going to the four corners of the
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     Internet to sniff out the friends that had run away in order to bring
     them back into the Fido fold. Instead of the webbed footprints of
     Internet representing an enemy, they became a way for Fido to bark
     farther and louder and a means of fulfilling this puppy's dream.

     While this didn't bring the kennel back to what it once was, it helped
     to slow the inevitable decline as dogs came excitedly running from
     many faraway Internet places to see what the Fido229 puppy had fetched
     for them.

     As a host is a host from coast to coast in Internet land, the short
     leash of geographic restrictions and the oddball
     more-expensive-to-call-US-instate limits from the dialup days no
     longer made sense. As long as a pair of Fidos were barking in the same
     language (sadly not a given in the tower of Babel of diverse
     incompatible Fido-over-Internet standards) distance now meant nothing.
     Every puppy was now free to choose his own home, often based on
     technical considerations which had nothing to do with geography.

     Yes, doggies in the north had tried various ways of gathering into
     packs. One pack would try to gather entirely geographically just
     because they all lived near the TransX factory, only to find that the
     dog who only barked over dial-up 'phones couldn't make himself heard
     to the dog who only knew e-mail attach. Another pack would be based on
     a common ability to fetch mail over Internet, but geographically would
     be scattered far and wide.

     Ultimately, though, the old ways were dead. The dogs had adapted to
     survive. Those who thought one couldn't teach an old dog new tricks
     were first to go.

     In some places, there weren't enough Fidos left to build a pack based
     on a solely geographical basis. In others, kennel co-ordinators had
     simply wandered away without saying a word or had become so absent and
     unresponsive that it was difficult or impossible to join the local
     pack even if one could still be sniffed out under all of the rubble.

     Inevitably, the Fido229 pack grew even while many others were simply
     fading away. Fido finally had a guard dog to protect it from the big
     bad Internet.

     This should be great news and all the other regions of all the other
     Fidos should be working like dogs to do what Fido229 has done, get
     onto the Internet, get the IP tools into the paws of all their puppy
     friends, build a pack of happy Internet-aware Fidos like the one in
     the north. If there were more packs of Fidos like Fido229's, they
     could all go out onto the Internet and sniff out prospective new
     nodes, racing one against the other to put an end to the uncontrolled
     shrinkage in zone one's Fido ranks.

     This would have been the best way to ensure a future for Fido in this
     zone.

     Unfortunately, instead of doing anything so constructive, the regional
     canines in the southeast started howling and bitching loudly, all but
     barking at the moon, while attempting to mark territory by burying it
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 6                   19 Nov 2001


     under large and unappetising quantities of peefour. There should be a
     policy to inflict a tight leash and strangle these Internet-based
     fidos from Oshawa, they barked, all the while knowing full well that
     the dozen-year-long string of failed attempts at creating policies far
     predated anything resembling commercial ISPs. There should be a double
     standard by which the southeastern fidos are free to lure a whole
     Collingwood, Ontario pack away while arbitrary obstacles are placed in
     the path of the growing Fido229 group. Better yet, this double
     standard should be created in some restricted echo far from the prying
     eyes of the 229 dogs, in the finest dog-eat-dog "give a dog a name and
     hang him" traditions. And who better to do the dirty work than the
     Z1dogCatcher herself?

     All the while, they would loudly bark "Fido229 is not the only Fido
     that is capable of listing new nodes" but do absolutely nothing to
     sniff out new nodes or to get fido-via-Internet tools into the paws of
     prospective fidos.

     And what of the Z1dogCatcher? Her reaction is the clearest sign yet
     that this entire zone has gone to the dogs. Instead of making any
     attempt to encourage the other regions to follow in Fido229's
     pawprints and make an extra effort to lend a helping paw to
     prospective Internet-based nodes, she came back with yet another
     attempt at a malicious restrictive policy to mark territory.

     Instead of actually making an effort to sniff out new nodes, the lazy
     dogs that have taken over much of Fido zone one would be free to do
     nothing while the Fido229 puppy works like a dog to find new puppies,
     then use geographical restrictions (yes, the ones that were scrapped
     years ago after even Mr. Satti "noted" [tm] that the time to pre-grant
     all geographic exemptions had come) to prevent those new nodes from
     easily obtaining 1:229 addresses if they ask for them. Despite what
     she'd have us believe, this is *not* merely the status quo.

     So the proposal was to use a short geographic leash force the new
     puppy to go to the local kennel first (even if they ask to be listed
     elsewhere), then wait at least a week for a reply from an absent or
     missing kennel co-ordinator before even going elsewhere in-region. The
     first response to this obstacle? A reply from one of the local kennel
     co-ordinators in the southeast explaining how he likes to be able to
     neglect his Fido puppies and abandon them for weeks on end while
     travelling on business! Then suddenly it's OK to make it two weeks,
     make it many weeks, make it so many weeks that the once-eager puppy
     gives up and wanders away, back to the big bad Internet. Meanwhile, no
     attempt to report neglectful or absent kennel co-ordinators to the
     SPCA or anyone else. This isn't about Fido's best interests; this is
     about the preservation of political power over a dwindling pack of
     dogs.

     Fido can't afford this anymore.

     If the effort that has been put into starting political dog-fights by
     running through admin echos barking "the Z1 bone doesn't exist" and
     "the Z1 bone shouldn't exist, so I'm going to dig a hole and bury it"
     or "I appoint myself moderator of all the file bones and I'm going to
     tell you which route list to use; look at me, I'm so important, vote
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 7                   19 Nov 2001


     me for dogcatcher!..." were instead channeled into actually sniffing
     out new nodes and putting Internet-aware Fido tools into eager paws,
     this zone would not be declining so quickly. Sadly, while the public
     echos are all but empty now, the admin areas are filled with mail from
     one or another regional or zone-level dog with nothing better to do
     than bark at everyone while loudly insisting on being the leader of
     the pack. No wonder many leave.

     Using prospective or new nodes as pawns in this senseless dogfight
     right now is the worst thing that Fido can do if he wants to remain an
     active dog.

     Interfere with the efforts of those attempting to bring new puppies
     into the Fidonet kennel and one only hastens the arrival of the day
     where Fido pawprints are gone from all of zone one forever.

     My response to all of this?

     I don't care if you're the Z1dogCatcher and I don't care if you have
     enough empty kennels to fill an entire region. If you want to
     interfere with the efforts of the Fido229 puppy or any others like it
     to find new nodes anywhere out to the four corners of the Internet,
     you do *not* have my assistance.

     I will ignore your barking. The time has come to bury these attitudes,
     stop marking territory and work like a dog to sniff out new nodes
     wherever they can be found. If you're not willing to be the solution,
     at least find the foresight not to make yourselves part of the
     problem!

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                               [ EDITORIAL ]
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                 Poll analysis from the Editor's point of view
                                 By Frank Vest

      I find it strangely warped that the file name for this editorial
     translated to "pollanal.ed". :-)

     Dear Reader,

      Two weeks ago, this Editor published the poll; "What do you want in
     the Fidonews?" Last week, the results of that poll was published. This
     week, I'm going to attempt to figure out what the results mean from my
     point of view.  You, Dear Reader, are welcome to submit your own
     analysis.

      Of the replies received, it appears that what the readers want in the
     Fidonews is more input from the *C structure of Fidonet. Followed by
     Regional, Net, Technical and other stories related to Fidonet. The
     least voted for were the jokes, comix, recipes and such.

     I get the idea.

      I hope you, Dear Reader, also get the idea. The idea that what you
     want is directly related to what you give.

      Many of the responses to the Poll were telling me to keep all the
     sections. Maybe this means that they liked all the articles that come
     in. Maybe it means that they just don't care, but have some drive to
     answer polls.

     I think it means that they realize that all sections have some value.

      In reality, Dear Reader, I believe that way too. The real "power" in
     this is what you do about it. You can run away saying that you don't
     like this or that and will never read the Fidonews again. Or, you can
     make the Fidonews into something. You have the power.

      I've been told that the Fidonews Editor has power. Maybe this is
     true. I think the real power is in the people of Fidonet. Sure, I have
     the power to accept or refuse articles. You have the power to submit
     or not submit articles. Which is stronger?? The Editor can only refuse
     articles if s/he receives articles.

      In reality, this is true of any newsletter, newspaper, magazine or
     other publication. The Fidonews, though, is different in one key
     factor. The Fidonews doesn't have a group of paid reporters that can
     be sent to "find a story". There is no staff to be told to write a
     story about Fidonet only. The people that submit articles are just
     like you... hobbyists that enjoy the hobby and write because they
     enjoy the hobby. They write articles about what interests them. Some
     of the articles are about Fidonet. Some are not. The stories about
     Fidonet, or any subject, must come from you.

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      In other hobby newsletters you will find articles about their hobby.
     Why? Is it because a staff is paid to write articles about that hobby?
     Maybe, but I put to you that if this were the case, then there would
     soon be a lack of articles. Think about it. All newsletter, and other
     publications for that matter, must rely to some degree on "roving
     reporters" to write and submit articles for publication. Otherwise,
     how many articles about a certain hobby can one write before one runs
     out of ideas? I'll tell you that I have hit that point as Editor of
     the Fidonews more than once in my short time here. No, all newsletters
     and publications must have some outside sources. The Fidonews just
     happens to rely totally on those outside sources.

      By now, you are probably thinking that this Editor has forgotten all
     about analyzing the poll and is off in another world. Not true. I
     still have that in mind.

      The least desired sections in the Fidonews are the Comix, Humor/jokes
     and Recipes. I'm sure this is because they are not Fidonet related,
     right? So, what to do about that? Let's make them relate to Fidonet.
     Many hobbies have funny stories, jokes, comics and such that are about
     the hobby. Let's hear some about Fidonet. Many are the cultures,
     people, likes and dislikes of Fidonet. That is evident in the many
     echos that we have. Search the Fidonet echos and you'll probably find
     something of interest to you. Search yourself and you just might find
     an article hidden in you. :)

     To end this, I'm offering some challenges.

      To the *C structure. I put forth this challenge. Give us some
     articles. What is happening in the Zone? What's going on in your
     Region? How about your Net?

      To others in Fidonet. I challenge you to write articles about
     Fidonet. Be they technical, humorous, poetry, general interest or
     whatever.

     _YOU_ have the power.


     Kind regards,

     Frank Vest, Editor - Fidonews

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                                OL'WDB's Column
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Today as I read through the tangled mess of opinions in various echoes
     I became more and more aware that there is total chaos in certain
     posting mentalities' comprehension processes. It has long been my own
     way of life to live and let live, accept anyone as a warm human being,
     and promote a strong tie of good will.  True, with some I have failed,
     and with others have resolved any differences.  In fact I am at the
     moment in harmony with everyone I know in the world; except those I
     can count on one hand, who seemingly cannot agree with anyone, about
     anything, even each other most of the time.

     After reading many times some wise crack, or if you will, "Smart Alex"
     negative and usually demeaning reply or remark to our *C's and our
     Editor, denying any "authority", "chain of command", or that
     "hierarchy" exists in our elected (or appointed), Fidonet officers, I
     was appalled. It is hard to understand how a Zone or Region can hold
     an election and it be totally denied  those mentalities' minds.

     Reading that Policy4 is without spirit and in general is meaningless,
     is hard for me to comprehend the line of reason.  I had to read and
     agree to abide by those guide-lines in order to be accepted into my
     net, and be given a Fidonet address.  True some things have changed
     and our officers have made allowances for changes in technology. This
     doesn't require us to junk the entire document.

     Those that scream you can't change the Policy unless every Zone on
     earth approves the changes are wrong in my opinion. Common sense tells
     us that the Zones are varied and vastly different in culture.  How one
     Zone reasons with the translated words of Policy, and the technology
     of that area, just may not be, and most likely isn't, identical to
     other  Zonal interpretations.  That is why it is a GUIDELINE and not
     cut in stone.

     The proclaimed freedom by those nay-sayers from their perceived "evil
     Fidonet officers, and Policy4's guidelines", that we are expected to
     go by in our use of Fidonet, leaves me with one word to those
     mentalities... If you can't comply with the guidelines, the
     instructions of your NC, RC, ZC or IC... GOODBYE!

     Ol'wdb

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                    [ FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ]
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             Exclusively for Lesley-Dee Dylan
        ...so she can't say I never did her a favor...
                   from Foxy Ferguson

                  Quick 'n' Easy PFEFFERNUESSE

          2/3 cup sugar                 1/2 t. cinnamon
          1/3 cup lite corn syrup       1/4 t. cardamon
          1/2 cup margarine             1/2 t. mace (or nutmeg)
          3 eggs                        1/4 t. ground cloves
          2 cups flour                  1/4 t. anise extract
          1 1/2 t. baking powder        1/2 t. salt
          1/2 t. vanilla                1/4 t. pepper

     Cream together sugar, syrup and margarine. Add eggs, vanilla,
     anise, and dry spices: beat well. Add baking powder and flour
     and stir until well-mixed. Chill. Drop half-teaspoonsful onto
     lightly greased cookie sheet. Bake 10-12 minutes in 375 degree
     oven until lightly browned. Let cool and store in tightly lidded
     container. Makes about 70 soft peppernuts but they do not keep
     forever as regular peppernuts do.

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                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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                        Comments made in the year 1957:

     "I'll tell you one thing, if things keep going the way they are, it's
     going to be impossible to buy a week's groceries for $20."

     "Have you seen the new cars coming out next year? It won't be long
     before $5000 will only buy a used one."

     "If cigarettes keep going up in price, I'm going to quit. A quarter a
     pack is ridiculous."

     "Did you hear the post office is thinking about charging a dime just
     to mail a letter?"

     "If they raise the minimum wage to $1, nobody will be able to hire
     outside help at the store."

     "When I first started driving, who would have thought gas would
     someday cost 29 cents a gallon. Guess we'd be better off leaving the
     car in the garage."

     "Kids today are impossible. Those duck tail hair cuts make it
     impossible to stay groomed. Next thing you know, boys will be wearing
     their hair as long  as the girls."

     "I'm afraid to send my kids to the movies any more. Ever since they
     let Clark Gable get by with saying 'damn' in 'Gone With The Wind,' it
     seems every new movie has either 'hell' or 'damn' in it."

     "I read the other day where some scientist thinks it's possible to put
     a man on the moon by the end of the of the century. They even have
     some fellows they call astronauts preparing for it down in Texas."

     "Did you see where some baseball player just signed a contract for
     $75,000 a year just to play ball? It wouldn't surprise me if someday
     they'll be making more than the president."

     "I never thought I'd see the day all our kitchen appliances would be
     electric. They are even making electric typewriters now."

     "It's too bad things are so tough nowadays. I see where a few married
     women are having to work to make ends meet."

     "It won't be long before young couples are going to have to hire
     someone to watch their kids so they can both work."

     "I'm just afraid the Volkswagen car is going to open the door to a
     whole lot of foreign business."

     "Thank goodness I won't live to see the day when the Government takes
     half our income in taxes. I sometimes wonder if we are electing the
     best people to congress."
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 13                  19 Nov 2001


     "The drive-in restaurant is convenient in nice weather, but I
     seriously doubt they will ever catch on."

     "There is no sense going to L.A. or San Francisco anymore for a
     weekend.  It costs nearly $15 a night to stay in a hotel."

     "No one can afford to be sick any more; $35 a day in the hospital is
     too rich for my blood." "If they think I'll pay 50 cents for a hair
     cut, forget it."

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                        [ FIDONET CLASSIFIED ADS ]
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     telnet://telnet.fidotel.com

     (Admission and participation to the tournament is free, participants
     must agree to the rules and terms of service (RTS) for FidoTel BBS)

     Shannon Talley
     Sysop of FidoTel BBS 1:275/311

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 15                  19 Nov 2001


     =================================================================
               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
     =================================================================

                        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     BBBS Home Page
     b@bbbs.net
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     elebbs@elebbs.com
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     info@HermesII.org
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
     sales@lainus.com
     http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

     MBSE BBS
     Michiel Broek + development team
     mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
     http://mbse.sourceforge.net
     2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

     Mystic BBS
     http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     groberts@nexusbbs.net
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Proboard
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     RemoteAccess Central
     Bruce Morse
     bfmorse@rapro.com
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Searchlight
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     Spitfire BBS
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 16                  19 Nov 2001


     Buffalo Creek Software
     MDWoltz@AOL.COM
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     Synchronet BBS
     sysop@vert.synchro.net
     http://www.synchro.net

     Telegard BBS
     support@telegard.net
     http://www.telegard.net/

     Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Bentstone Capabilities Group
     info@stonebenders.com
     http://www.srupc.com/mall

     Jibben Software
     scott@jibben.com
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     JNS Software Door Games
     Rusty Johnson
     rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
     304-733-0113
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://www.lordlegacy.org/

     PC Pursuits
     brucep@pop.kis.net
     (301)240-6653
     http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

     S and T Software
     Mark Bappe
     mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net
     (770)788-6843
     http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

     Shinning Star BBS Doors
     nannette@shiningstar.net
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Sunrise Door Software
     Al Lawerence
     al@sunrisedoors.com
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 17                  19 Nov 2001


     (404)256-9518
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     The Brainex System
     info@brainex.com
     http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     jpritch@eisonline.com
     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
     1:299/110

     Vagabond Software
     Bryan Turner
     vagabond@darktech.org
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
     1:124/7013

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
     2:280/1076

     Squish Tosser
     http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     Definite Solutions
     sales@defsol.se
     http://www.defsol.se/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://beemail.gexonline.net
     Stephen Proffit
     1:211/405

     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Plantinum Express for Wildcat
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 18                  19 Nov 2001


     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     BinkD
     maloff@corbina.net
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidogate
     Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     Bo Bendtsen
     sales@terminate.com
     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     Internet Rex
     cruden@cs.ualberta.ca
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

     TransX
     Multiboard Communications Inc.
     support@multiboard.com
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
     1:2401/305

     TransNet
     transnet@ressl.com.ar
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     ramon@sbbs.se
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 19                  19 Nov 2001


     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
     http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

     CrossPoint ("Original" version)
     http://www.crosspoint.de
     http://www.apoint-mail.de

     CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
     http://www.openxp.com (English)
     http://www.openxp.de (German)

     CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
     http://www.xp2.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com

     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     ADF Fossil
     http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 20                  19 Nov 2001


     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Dead Links
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

     Renegade BBS
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     List Submission Procedures: Netmail 1:10/345
                                 E-Mail  fidosoft@bbsnets.com


     The format of this list is undergoing changes and improvements

     BBS Software Name
     Company/Author
     Contact E-mail
     Contact Telephone
     Internet address (if available)
     Fido style address (if available)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 21                  19 Nov 2001


     =================================================================
                    [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]
     =================================================================

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update: 6:39 AM 10/24/01

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Please do not list the virtual email addresses
     on any web page.


     - = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
     ? = Unable to connect

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
     Parody:       http://www.fidonet.ro/
     Foti          http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
     History       http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  <vacant>
       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
         Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 22                  19 Nov 2001


                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
                   http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 23                  19 Nov 2001


                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 24                  19 Nov 2001


     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-47               Page 25                  19 Nov 2001


      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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     Zone 4
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      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
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     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
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     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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                           [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]
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                       N.Y. Grand Lodge Public Relations
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Received this message as stated below, and thought it a good idea to
     pass along to all Fido families especially those with school age
     children.

     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:44 AM
     Subject: N.Y. Grand Lodge Public Relations

      Warren,

     I received this from  Brother Chuck Ogden and felt that it was worthy
     of passing on to you.

      Here is news of a very educational and worthwhile television
     production which should be of interest to every Mason and every member
     of his family.

     The program is called "Mr. Dreyfuss Goes to Washington" and features
     famed actor Richard Dreyfuss as the narrator of a fascinating
     exploration of some of our most precious national monuments and
     historic sites in our nation's capital.

     Prominently described is the role played by Masons in the concept,
     design, and construction of so many of these famed landmarks, not just
     the laying of cornerstones.  The program is scheduled to be broadcast
     in prime time on The History Channel on Monday, November 26, from 9 to
     11 p.m., (some areas 10 to midnight) and rebroadcast Tuesday, November
     27, from 1 to 3 p.m.

     Please spread the word for all Masons, members of their families,
     friends and prospective members to view this program. It is a
     wonderful patriotic film, especially meaningful in this time of war
     against those who threaten our way of life.You will also be interested
     to know that a 35-minute version of this video will broadcast to
     100,000 schools across the nation in January. More details on this to
     follow. The film was produced by Richard Dreyfuss, and R. W. Akram
     Elias, a member of the Grand Line of the Grand Lodge of Washington,
     D.C.

     The Washington, D.C. Grand Lodge is one of the sponsors of the
     project. We will furnish more details as we get them, but thought you
     would want to be alerted to this program. It gets a rave review from
     me.

      Fraternally,
     Ron Steiner
     N.Y. Grand Lodge Public Relations

      Passed on by Steve Vickers
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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.320
      File has a Date Stamp of : 11/16/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1197.73 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10950 Nodes in it
      and a total of  14096 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     497 Network Hosts listed.
                     746 Hubs listed.
                     363 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     885 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     584 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1314 ( 12.00 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 885 (  8.08 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9393 (  85.78 %)
                        (HST's =  202 or   2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   16 or   0.17 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5272 or  56.13 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  669 or   7.12 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 5039 or  53.65 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  712 or   7.58 % "       "    "     "   )
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             300 =    481 (  4.39 %)

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      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4242
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
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      XR              Opus 1.03                      77
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      XW              Fido >12M                     410
                      Tabby
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      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4655
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
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      CrashMail capable =   3945 ( 36.03 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5661 ( 51.70 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    823 (  7.52 %)

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