      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 16             15 APR 2001
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       Copyright 2001 by Editor Warren D. Bonner for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. HEADLINE  .................................................  1
     2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR  .....................................  2
        \\/+ EDITOR PLAYS AMBASSADOR TO ZONE 2 +\//  ..............  2
     3. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  7
        >>>> GUEST EDITORIAL <<<<  ................................  7
     4. ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS  .......................................  8
     5. THOUGHTS  ................................................. 11
     6. OPINIONS  ................................................. 13
        .+. OPINIONS OF OPINIONATED OTHERS .+  .................... 13
     7. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK  ......................... 15
        >>>>> LETTERS TO THE EDITOR <<<<<  ........................ 15
     8. ARTICLES  ................................................. 16
        >>>>>> ARTICLES <<<<<<<  .................................. 16
     9. FRANK'S COLUMN  ........................................... 17
     10. RECIPES  ................................................. 19
        /// Recipes \\\  .......................................... 19
     11. GETTING TECHNICAL  ....................................... 22
        //+\ TECHICIE STUFF /+\\  ................................. 22
     12. POET'S CORNER  ........................................... 24
        >>>>> POET'S KORNER <<<<<  ................................ 24
     13. HUMOR  ................................................... 25
     14. NOTICES  ................................................. 28
     15. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 29
     16. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 34
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                      Never mistake motion for action.
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                           CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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     [Dear readers, this is an ongoing effort to bring Zones together.]

             * Original reply to posted message to zone one:

     Warren> Hi ward, Still waiting..
     Last week you said you'd look it over and get back to me, (I thought
     then for the issue last week); now this week is almost gone and still
     no IC item for the IC Corner...  Did you forget? <g>
     (I have that problem myself, hee-heh)
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     From: Ward Dossche <wd@skynet.be>
     To: Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
     Subject: Re: Still waiting...

     Warren,

     You might announce that due to my forgetfulness I will now have to
     commit ritual suicide and make certain an mpg-file exists of it on
     the internet.

     <sigh> Indeed, overlooked and overworked. The moment a lot of stuff
     rolls in an the entry scrolls out of sight one tends to forget.

     I'll get to it "now".

     Ward
     ==================Message sometime later========================

     From: Ward Dossche <wd@skynet.be>

     Hello Ward,
     Thanks for using Fidonews to get the word out to the masses in the
     inactive regions, and the "PING" proposal to the flag system.  I do
     appreciate your taking time from your very busy schedule to make an
     attempt to let other folks, besides your present home land, know a
     little about Ward the man himself. I quote from your letter to me to
     be accurate, although took the liberty to interject to make it a
     conversational format. <With a slight edit here and there for
     clarity>.

     Ward> People in Belgium usually are rather reserved. When I lived in
     the US, in Montana, I learned the values of another kind of
     hospitality.

     Warren> I had no IDEA you had lived in the USA. In fact I thought you
     were probably German born and English was a second language being that
     you `spoke' in short terse sentences that seemed arrogant to
     Westerners at times. <g>

     Ward> Way out in the plains, (of Montana), with no-one around nor in
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     eyesight, we didn't even bother to lock-up the place when we left
     because people's attitude was "What if someone comes by, is in
     desperate need of something and finds the door locked?".

     Warren> That is the way it was in Texas where I was born on an
     eighteen square mile ranch owned by my grandfather and his six sons;
     and when the hoof & mouth cattle disease in '29 struck, over 7000
     cattle in our County were piled and burned by government people.
     The ranch was lost as the land could not have hoofed animals on it
     for five years quarantine. My father homesteaded 360 acres in Nolan
     County, and started a dairy farm where I grew up.

     Ward> I don't keep the front-door open 24/24 but when the weather's
     good most of the time it's open and we've had these experiences when
     kids, none of our own, came into the house, opened the fridge, got
     something cool to drink and left again to resume playing. My mother
     was horrified when she learned we allowed this but up till this day
     I enjoy it ... the kids know we've got Coke/Pepsi and the neighbours
     only tap-water, so you can easily guess where their preference goes.

     Warren> Yep! We raised six children, and some of their friends at
     times to allow the friends to finish school year. I swear they each
     had three to five friends raiding the refrig after school every day!
     Jan purchased three 24 can cases twice a week just for sodas, and lots
     of Koolaid! I would round the corner coming home from my businesses
     and twenty kids would be on the front lawn, five days a week. Forty
     years later my oldest son is CEO executive vice president Siemens
     Solar USA. HQ'd Camarillo, Ca. (Between Oxnard & Ventura on coast).

     Ward> I work for Belgacom, that's the Belgian dominant telephone
     company. Phone companies are major energy consumers and I'm to look
     into a plan about alternative energy-sources meaning wind, tidal,
     earth-movement and solar.

     Warren> In my working years I had owned three companies, two retail
     and service, one cable company. My son spends half his life in a 747
     going to Germany, India, Thailand, Brazil, Japan, not to mention WDC
     meetings with environmental and energy people. I will give him your
     email address, perhaps you can meet on one of his trips to Siemens
     home office in Germany.

     Ward> I'm not in that category yet but they're already there regularly
     with specific financial request. Daughter-1 needs music instruments
     and the cheapest practice-flute costs 6-700$ (she's 13 OK!). A
     concert-instrument goes into the several thousands so I explained her
     I'm investing in her future when talking that kind of money. I don't
     expect her to drop-out now, not after 6 years of "voluntary" study.
     BTW, she's got 4 flutes.

     My soccer-son needs 2 sets of equipment a year, plus the gas for the
     trips to practice, the games, consumption in the clubhouse, insurance
     and hospital. He's been injured so often that I've told him the only
     place he hadn't been stitched yet was his dick. :-)

     Warren> I can see that!  There is  no higher calling in my book. For
     most children are a great reward and make the old heart swell with
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     pride.

     Ward> Indeed! My folks never attended any of the things I did and some
     of them were pretty good. So maybe I'm overcompensating,
     but if I am, I'm enjoying every single minute of it.

     Warren> I'm 75 and in pretty good health. How old are you?

     Ward> I'm 50. My dad's 80, my mam passed away in 1995 and since then
     my dad's got a new girlfriend, a 67 year old chick. He's never been
     that active, well groomed, taken care of as now. So, Warren, even at
     75 life is not past you, it is in front facing you.

     Ward> I'm committed to doing something about P4 though I haven't got
     the slightest idea where I'll find the time. I'm attempting to
     regenerate the fidonet.org-domain but that's not a bed of roses
     either.

     Warren> I am happy to hear that from you. Delegate some of the work to
     volunteers. It wont be an easy task for anyone. P4/5 should be done
     one step at a time and that approved before the next step. There will
     likely be too much vying for different agendas all at the same time
     to do it any other way and get it done in this lifetime. I have one or
     two ideas on that if you ever want them.

     Ward> Please! But do consider this also: I'm always claiming the
     North-Americans (and I need to exclude most of the Cannoocks) have no
     view nor perception of Fido outside the NA-continent. We can talk
     about cultural diversity but I'm up against something completely
     different:

     * Lately major wars have been going on in Europe in countries where
     Fido is active. I did get these conflicts copied on my plate where
     individual sysops of all warring sides are bringing the conflicts into
     their Fido-operation;

     * I was called to rule on the name of a net in R38 which carried the
     name "Macedonia". The Greek government claims that Macedonia is part
     of the historic great empire founded by Alexander The Great way before
     Christ and that an ex-Yugoslavian province has no right to the name.
     The countries turned it into a major hostile conflict with military
     activity and full scale war was narrowly avoided. At the same time
     though I was bombarded with formal complaints by Greek sysops about
     the same thing, namely that an R38net cannot have the word "Macedonia"
     in its name. Silly for you and others maybe but for them it is very
     fundamentalistic;

     * In R40 (Israel) it is impossible for Palestinian sysops to join
     Fido. Palestinian points on Israeli nodes are very scarce too;

     * R33 (Italy) has been crushed thrice by the Italian police upon
     suspicion of being a Maffia-operation. Finally I went to the Italian
     Embassy in Brussels and told the ambassador if this didn't stop I
     would take the state of Italy to the International Court of Human
     Rights as ZC and highest authority of Fidonet in Europe. Since then
     R33-sysops were left in peace but the region suffered so dearly it
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     never recovered;

     * In another mid-east country the royal family consists of a number
     of individuals without a job. One of them has been appointed as
     overseer of Bulletin Boards. He came-out with a ruling that all
     operators of BBSs (that includes Fido-nodes) needed to register with
     him and obtain a license to operate a Fido-node failing which their
     health-insurance would be revoked.

     Warren> You are a remarkable transformer yourself. I had a very
     different picture of you Ward, I am sorry to say. And a fine caring
     family man was not part of that picture. One hears too much slanted
     truths and some downright lies over the years. Most do not know the
     man you have revealed to me today. I know that some will be very
     disappointed in their editor's presentation of this communication.
     But like Janis said a day or so ago to Michiel V., the Z2 folks
     should submit articles and the editor would publish their take on
     things too. <paraphrased>

     Ward> We all have this problem that we communicate a lot but there's
     not much communication.

     Go to Yahoo and search for "Ward Dossche" ... you'll find me as a
     Holocaust researcher, as someone who's worked for the UN, I've been
     executive director of Greenpeace, I studied piano and life is much to
     short to do all the things I want to.

     This summer I'm renting a yacht and the family and myself are going on
     a sailing-vacation to Ireland.

     Warren> I can now see 90% of it is your lack of time to be charming
     of word. You just spit it out like you believe it to be and that is
     that in very few words; although you have written more lately than I
     have personally seen in years.

     Ward> That is correct. I need to say things in one single "go" and
     move on as there's too much territory which needs to be covered in a
     short time. I realize this creates an awkward impression at times but
     people have to accept this.

     The problem of electronic mail is that one writes something in a
     certain state-of-mind while other people will read it in another state
     of mind and get the complete wrong impression.

     Warren> If you could find it in your schedule to just make an
     acknowledgement to everyone that we were all in error on some things,
     it would not only be the truth, but you would go up in popularity
     in my opinion as everyone can appreciate an extended hand of a friend.

     Ward> Where would you like to see something like that posted?

     Warren> Right below this paragraph would be nice. I am pleased to
     have had this opportunity to know you better Ward. I apologize for
     anything I have said that was hurtful in anyway. I hope you will feel
     the same, and we will both feel better as will everyone else involved
     in the the TJ-TM thing.
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     Ward> Indeed. We all err and not in the least myself.
     Sometimes a little bit more effort could create less misunderstanding.
     I try to do that although I notice that no matter how one may try at
     certain moments the barrier still remains.

     Ward> We are separated by exactly that which unites us: Technology
     and language. Let's make the best of it and please come and see me
     for a couple of minutes next year when I'm passing through LA.

     \/\/ard




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     NONE.  No Submissions this week...

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                            ZONE ANNOUNCEMENTS
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     7 April 2001
     Edited by Carol Shenkenberger

                   Zone 6 Election Progress Report

     (Note from xxcarol, due to their worry about use of english, I have
     assisted with minor edits and done the reformatting to make it fit the
     Fnews line length requirements.  When I am not sure what they meant, I
     left it intact as sent.  Barry Blackford and I will be working to keep
     the news flowing.  If a line has an * at the start, it means I did a
     little assistance with grammar or spelling in that paragraph.)

     ANY ERRORS IN MEANING DUE TO MY EDITS, ARE SOLELY MY FAULT!- XXCAROL




     Message to : Bin Li From : Anatoli Tung Subject : Reply to All
     Date/Time : Sat 07 Apr 2001  12:17a

     b e g i n  e x t r a c t e d  m e s s a g e ----------------
     Hi from Ridder (East Kazakhstan)!
     Saluton, Bin!

     Now 06-04-2001 I have incoming message by ICQ:

     === Cut ===
     *  redhurst: (8:08 PM) I think I can do temp z6c if you agree.
     === Cut ===

     Also:
     30 Mar 01 14:14, From 6:654/0
     >Bin Li wrote to Anatoli Tung:

     *AT>> Who collects the votes? The procedure of choices does not
     exist, the name Fan has collected votes.

     AT>> I do not give a vote neither for, nor against, I agree with any
     result of choices. And I do not see, that can change in a zone 6,
     if have or not of the chosen coordinator. But I consider, that by
     most optimum would be to announce temporary ZC (for relation with
     the coordinators of other zones) Lawrence Fan, and we will help
     him to carry out other

     (xxcarol note, the above has a double quote and I am unsure who was
     the text author.  I've missed a few messages)

     (Bin Li)
     *BL> I think Lawrence can be a very good z6c.
      BL> You,barry and me both will help him to do best :)

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      BL> Because we only have a fidonet.
      BL> i think we will collaborate very good.
      BL> Bin Li

     (Anatoli Tung from here down except the xxcarol notes)

     *I already wrote about my opinion concerning these choices. Now for
     more detail. The presence of a name of the coordinator in a line
     "Zone,6," will not improve and will not worsen a situation, it will
     be changed only by a lot *sysop's (who are) amicable, active and
     devoted to Fidonet.

     *I add (to) my previous letter on it by such plan. On a role temp ZC
     I offer to choose Bin Li or Lawrence Fan, the name is not important,
     as we shall work together, though me imposes Fan. If Fan has
     collected votes, let he will inform them here, in Zone6Sysop.

     (xxcarol note:  Anatoli isnt totally clear above here so I cant
     touch it.  I do know it's friendly and think he's asking Lawrence
     Fan about what votes he may have)

     The important commission: WHO CAN INFORM it in Fidonews and ZCC-echos
     in English about new name of Z6C, as well as why him have chosen?

     (xxcarol note:  Barry Blackford and I both offered.  I'm starting
     this note but the process will conclude while I am out of contact
     enroute to Japan or waiting for my computers to arrive once I'm
     there in Japan)

     *I can inform, but if there will be questions, my English will be
     insufficient. If the Z6C will be Bin Li, Fan or Barry can inform.
     Already now it is possible to inform. Up to the arrangement with
     ZC I create the list, I hope, for a long time.

     (xxcarol note: I told Anatoli and the others not to worry.  Fidonews
     is about NEWS and COMMUNICATION, not about perfect grammar when it's
     a second language.  What he says above is he can continue to
     generate the Z6 submission like he has been, as long as any new Z6C
     wants him to.)

     *At transition of this work to another, I shall subscribe him to
     fileecho r64-list. This list requires constant manual processing,
     - removals of a superfluous line "Zone,6". I shall help to make the
     lists of r60, I shall help (if it will be necessary) to support links
     with networks of regions 60, 61 (Fatman), 62 (Wang), 63 (Carol). And
     resulted zonal segment will be named xxxxx.###. (Do not "xxxxxx", ###
     - number of next _Friday_, this is
     requirement of IC).

     (xxcarol note:  Anatoli knows ZC level nodelist processing and is
     working on cleanups.  He's already got updates from one RC in Z6, in
     the echo as there was an ISP problem of some sort.  I'll have to get
     with him on R63 segment but it's going to be very hard from here and
     he understands that.  The actual names were edited out due to
     possible security issues for Z6).

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     *I also am interested in the opinions of Bin Li and Lawrence Fan,
     whether it is necessary that we have a gate for mail from the
     Internet for all domains in n###.z6.fidonet.org? It can be made. If
     you agree, I (will) try to do (this) (my friend in z2 has this gate,
     he agrees to gate for all z6 too).

     (xxcarol note:  Progressive bunch!  I like it!)

     *For close discussions, I shall do so: after one more week I change
     sysop-name in line "Zone,6," to: "Bin_or_Lawrence_and_Anatoli" if I
     have not have received votes from Fan, or to: name of elected person.

     (xxcarol note: They have 3 candidates and are working out elections.
     Above are the names:  Bin Li, Lawrence Fan, and Anatoli Tung.  Note
     that Z6 culture is different and it's appropriate there to truncate
     to first names when they cant fit all the 3 names in the field).

     *Therefore, I ask Bin Li or Lawrence to prepare the message for
     Fidonews within one week, that: after disapperance of Chris Leung
     and a long time without a coordinator in Zone6 (to?) inform news
     about itself... with names of all candidates and elected name.

     (xxcarol note:  I do not have Bin Li's email address but I can catch
     Lawrence).

     *Other information and questions:
     - I ask for (permit me to) include (if have) vietnamese,
     kasakhstanese and other Asians IP nodes in my nets.
     - From next week I have CM-answered binkd at IP of my friend in
     Russia, so this allows links by binkp and ftp. (with continuous
     control by ftp from Kazakhstan or Vietnam). So from next week I will
     have binkd-argus link with Fan...

     Chao,

        Anatoli.

     6:770/1  tung@tsr.ru tung99@mail.ru
     ICQ 70429669         voice phone (xxcarol note: ommitted from Fnews
                                       article as do not have his
                                       permission to post it)

     -!-
      ! Origin: ... (6:770/1)
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                                 THOUGHTS
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                           HONESTY
     Once there was a little boy who lived in the country. They had to
     use an outhouse, and the little boy hated it because it was hot

     in the summer, cold in the winter and stank all the time. The
     outhouse was sitting on the bank of a creek and the boy
     determined that one day he would push that outhouse into the
     creek.

     One day after a spring rain, the creek was swollen so the little
     boy decided today was the day to push the outhouse into the
     creek. So he got a large stick and started pushing. Finally, the
     outhouse toppled into the creek and floated away.

     That night his dad told him they were going to the woodshed after
     supper. Knowing that meant a spanking, the little boy asked why.
     The dad replied, "someone pushed the outhouse into the creek
     today. It was you, wasn't it, son?" The boy answered yes. Then he
     thought a moment and said, "Dad, I read in school today that
     George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and didn't get into
     trouble because he told the truth." The dad replied, "well, son,
     George Washington's father wasn't in that cherry tree!"




                     Class Assignment
     The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment:
     Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it.
     The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their
     stories.

     Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying
     hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the
     front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all
     the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess."

     "And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher.
     Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!"
     "Very good," said the teacher.

     Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers
     too. But we raise chickens for the meat market.
     We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten
     live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your
     chickens before they're hatched."

     Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah."
     "Michael, do you have a story to share?"

     "Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen.
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     Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got
     hit.  She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was
     a bottle  of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete.

     She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she
     landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops.
     She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of
     bullets.

     Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke.

     And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands.

     "Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did
     your daddy tell you from that horrible story?"

     "Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking."




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                                 OPINIONS
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     By: Frank Vest
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     On (11 Apr 01) TODD COCHRANE wrote to FIDONEWS...

     Todd> On another subject next time you see a service member in church
     a bar or on the street say thanks. Sometimes that is worth a years pay
     when said in sincerity.

     Frank> And in sincerity. Thanks!

     If I may... This should be heeded by all Nations. Although we, the
     civilian, may not understand or agree with the politics and such, the
     dedication and bravery of any Nation's military men and women should
     be appreciated. They do a job that many, myself included, would find
     hard, if not impossible, to do. No, we may not always understand or
     agree with the politics of the Countries or Nations, but that doesn't
     change the dedication of the people that put their life on the line
     for their Country/Nation!


     Regards,

     Frank
     http://texoma.net/ flv
     http://bise.tzo.com/r19

      * Origin: Holy Cow! I'm A Point!! (1:124/6308.1)



     By: Philip Lozier
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     * In a message originally to Thom LaCosta, Frank Vest said:

     Frank> Which means nothing since Ross is the elisted Moderator, which
     means nothing since the elist isn't universally accepted as the list
     of echos and moderators in Fidonet, which means nothing to those that
     do accept the elist as the means to determine the moderator of an
     echo, which means nothing to those that don't which means nothing
     because Ross is the elisted moderator of the echo.

     Phil> Did the top levels of the Z1B agree to this supposed election
     they never heard of that consolidated the Z1B with the NAB? I think
     not, since a 5-0 vote removing him as moderator of Z1_DISCUSSION was
     surely not in his favor...

     Phil> I think what Thom is getting at is that the Z1_DISCUSSION echo
     is not just any chit chat echo, but is of an administrative nature to
     the Z1B... he can be said to have removed himself of any affiliation
     with it when he left the Z1B... Ross can no more remove that echo from
     the ELIST any more than the FidoNews echo, or Z1COORD echo could be
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     removed.

     Ross tried to wrap it up in a neat little package, but he failed.

     This whole mess is about as corrupt as it can get.

     Phil

     * Origin: AFcom BBS! http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/afcombbs (1:267/169)









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                              FRANK'S COLUMN
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                                 End of an Era
                               The Death of "TEM"
                                 By Frank Vest


                 No, no one has died, but, something has died.


     I guess I should explain. :)

      Net124 has had a computer that handled all of the Echomail for the
     Net since before I was a Node in Fidonet. We, in Net124, lovingly
     called this machine "The Echo Machine", or "TEM" for short. I might be
     a little off on my history since TEM was around way before I even
     became a Node in Net124, or Fidonet, but I believe that the computer
     we called "TEM" was bought by the Net. It was maintained by an "Echo
     Fund" via donations. One person in the Net, "The Keeper of TEM" kept
     the machine at their home and maintained it out of those funds.  No,
     this wasn't a CRP. The donations were voluntary and even if you didn't
     donate, you still got the benefits of TEM. No, this wasn't just a Node
     number in the Nodelist. This was a machine that was passed from
     "Keeper" to "Keeper" through time. This was a physical transfer of
     hardware. The new "Keeper" picked up the computer from the former
     "Keeper" and took it to his/her home. It was set up and configured and
     a separate phone line connected to it. A lot more than a simple
     Nodelist change was involved here.

      As of Nodelist.096, TEM, 1:124/1 is no more in Net124. :(

      This might not sound like much and you might think "So what? What's
     this got to do with Fidonet as a whole??". Well, I'd like to think
     that our little Net124 "TEM" wasn't/isn't the only TEM that was/is
     around.

      Back in the days when all mail was sent via direct modem connection,
     a Net benefited from a "TEM" greatly. Think of it. A Net with 100+
     Nodes and each one had to have or make it's own connection to another
     Node or feed, sometimes by long distance telephone calls, to get
     Netmail and Echomail. An Echo Machine could connect to one feed for
     one LD cost and then feed the local Nodes via local calls. Cost to the
     Nodes was cut dramatically. "TEM" was a "God Send" and made a lot of
     Fidonet happen. Without these machines, can you imagine what Fidonet
     wouldn't have been?

      So, what has this to do with the end of an era?  Just this. As
     Fidonet has grown and declined, so has the technology grown and
     declined. Fido technology was the thing back when the Internet was
     little more than a file transfer system for those that could afford it
     or were part of some organization that had it. Fidonet had the
     graphics and the ability for the "common" person to use it. The person
     off the street could connect to a BBS and communicate with others from
     around the world. As we, Fidonet, decline, we are now using the
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     technology that was once below us to keep Fidonet alive.

      Maybe we should think on this and think of all the "little TEMs" that
     were, and might still be out there.... sitting in some person's home
     and churning out the mail that comes into it. Maintained by some
     person that does this just for the fun of it. Maybe we should thank
     these little machines and the persons who run them.

      Yes, it's the end of an era in Net124, but not the end. Fidonet might
     not have these little machines for much longer, but Fidonet will go
     on. The end of one era is just the beginning of another. Keep the
     faith and keep Fidonet going. Use the technology of today just like
     the little TEMs of the past used the technology of their day. Keep it
     going and grow.

      In final thought, I'd like to say a thanks to Paul Lentz, the last
     "Keeper of TEM" in Net124. Kudos to you and my thanks for your
     efforts. TEM may be gone, but I know you will still be there to feed
     those of us in Net124 that seldom thank you for the effort.

     Thanks TEM!, and Thanks Paul!


     Kind regards,

      Frank



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                                  RECIPES
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     By: JOAN MACDIARMID
     MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

     Title: Crespelle Al Mascarpone (Crepes Filled With Mascarpone)
     Categories: Italian, Pancakes, Cheese, Desserts, Filling
           Yield: 6 Servings

                For the Crepes
                (About 16 - 8" each)
           2 lg Eggs
           1 tb Olive Oil
           1 c  Milk
         1/2 c  All-Purpose Flour
         1/4 ts Salt
           2 tb Granulated Sugar
                Vegetable Oil Or Butter;
                For greasing the pan
                For The Filling:
       1 1/2 c  Mascarpone Cheese
           2 tb Powdered Sugar
                Zest From 1 Lemon
                For The Sauce:
           1 c  Wildflower Honey
       1 1/2 oz Dark Rum

     Beat all the crepe ingredients together, except the oil or butter for
     greasing the pan, to make a batter. Let it stand for an hour or so.
     The batter should be the consistency of a high grade whipping cream.
     It should coat the back of a spoon well but be liquid enough to slide
     into shapes easily, so it will conform of the shape of the pan. If the
     batter becomes too thick to pour easily, add a little water and beat
     it again until it is the right consistency.

     Oil an 8 inch, heavy crepe or frying pan with a tiny amount of oil or
     butter, using a paper towel. The pan must be hot but not smoking. Pour
     in about 3 tablespoons of batter, or a bit more.  Tip the pan all
     around and spread the batter to make a thin pancake.  Brown the crepes
     on one side then turn them over with help of a metal spatula or fork
     and cook them for another minute or even less.

     As the crepes are done, stack them on a plate until needed.  Grease
     the pan after each crepe is made; if your pan is in excellent
     condition, it may not be necessary after the first 3 or 4 are done.

     Crepes can be made a day or two ahead and stored in the refrigerator
     well wrapped in plastic.  They also freeze well.

     FILLING: Mix all the ingredients together with a tablespoon.

     SAUCE: Mix the honey and rum together.  Gently and carefully warm it
     on low heat.
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     TO ASSEMBLE: Divide the mascarpone mixture equally among 13 crepes.
     Fold the crepes in half, then in half again.  Place the crepes
     slightly overlapping each other in a lightly buttered dish and heat
     them in a preheated 375 F oven for about 10 minutes. Transfer them to
     heated plates and drizzle with the honey, or pass it at the table.

     Recipe (c) Carlo Middione - Vivande Ristorante As printed in SF
     Examiner Epicure, 4/26/95 Posted by: Tess Mercer <tess@NANOTHINC.COM>

     Notes:

     For the filling I used icing sugar and the powdered zest from dried
     lemon, lime and orange peels [mostly orange]. The citrus skins were
     scraped of all white pith and left to air dry for several weeks until
     quite hard. They were then ground to powder in a blender. I used about
     1 tsp. I made the filling a few hours in advance to allow the zest to
     soften and the citrus oils to penetrate the mascarpone. I also worked
     in a tsp of milk to make the filling more spreadable.

     For the sauce I used regular clover honey, 1 oz of water and 1/2 oz
     of lemon juice. I wanted to keep it non-alcoholic to suit the
     requirements of a guest and I really wanted the citrus accents to come
     through.

     I also made just 6 large crepes and rolled them into cylinders. I
     served them in oblong oven proof dishes, one per serving.

     Jim Weller

     MMMMM

     Joan MacDiarmid in Amherst, NY (working at SUNY/Buffalo)

      * Origin: =-DING!-=  Dinner's Ready! (1:142/736)



     By: Carol Shenkenberger
     To: Warren Bonner
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

           Title: Carol's Bastardized Version of Texas Chili V1.1
      Categories: Chili, Pork, Beans, Xxcarol
           Yield: 4 Servings

           1    Whole seeded, chopped fine,
                Bananna pepper
          28 oz Can crushed tomato
          16 oz Can chopped tomato
           1 md Onion
       1 1/2 lb Ground pork
           1 tb Black pepper
           1 tb Comino (Cumin seeds, whole,
                Dried)
         1/2 tb Salt (you add more to the
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                Bowl if you like more)
           3 sm Fistfuls of a 'red bean'
                Water to fill

       The current batch is going and here it is ...

       1 medium HOT onion (if you dont cry when you cut it, find another)

       No mind you, none of those measurements are exact.  I just sorta
       `dump stuff' by eyeball.  You will also note there isnt a speck of
       red pepper in this batch. It's probably closer to either true Mexico
       or Jamaican 'chili' than anything else.  It actually is 'hot' but
       not the same type of 'hot' as a 'Texan' chili and yes, it has beans.

      Last batch, did have red pepper and the taste lead me to experiement
      with more comino and no red pepper. Last batch had 50/50 ground beef
      and ground pork and I found the pork suited the flavor better and
      created less 'grease' (a positive in my books but perhaps not in
      anothers).

      From: Carol Shenkenberger Date: 15 Mar 99



     MMMMM



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                             GETTING TECHNICAL
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     By: Carol Shenkenberger
     To: Ward Dossche
     Re: Re: country code 000
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     *** Quoting Ward Dossche from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

     WD> I would like to have an indication if the FTSC is still a
     functioning unit.

     Carol> It is.

     Carol>> that group this year.  As it is, I am not able to do so but
     I am `educating myself' on Z2 nodelisting issues (as you can see)
     and have ideas on some possible things that they do there which are
     probably better than what's in use now. (Modem flags specifically).

     WD> Don't confuse "zone-2" "with a handfull of people and myself.
     Fact is we do have a software "ERRFLAGS" which can be frequed here
     via PSTN with that magic and the config-file can be freqqed with
     "ERRFLAGS.ZC2".

     Carol> I have a copy. It;s more useful to just look at the nodelist
     sometimes.

     WD> There are several suggestions from individual nodes about
     improvements which reached me over the years and which have been
     incorporated. The result is a pretty clean nodelist, although not a
     perfect one. The simply are things which cannot be auto-corrected.

     I don't like a lot of the things I see in the Z2 error list reports.
     Much of it is just flat wrong to error on.  I provided that report
     back to Michiel.

                                            xxcarol

     * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual
     (1:275/100)



     By: Lawrence Garvin
     To: Ward Dossche
     Re: country code 000
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Ward wrote to Dave at 10:04 14 Apr:

       WD> The reasons why "000-" is a bad idea have been stated and
           repeated and re-itterated and reworded over and over enough so
           that all willing to understand them have understood.

     LG> Yet, Ward, is it not correct that these "reasons" hold equally
     FIDONEWS 18-16               Page 23                  16 Apr 2001


         well to the existing 91-11 codes in India that can just as equally
         be `misdialed' by any Zone 1 node and end up calling '911', just
         as a `misdialed' 000- entry in Australia would have the same
         results.

     LG> To that end... we're already at risk for widespread accidental
         dialing of emergency services operators -- and THAT situation
         (India) is one we cannot ever do anything about.

     LG> At what point do we cease exploring functional implementations of
         solutions because some idiot somewhere might misconfigure his
         nodelist compiler?

     LG> Ergo.. whatever happened to "personal responsibility" for the
         proper configuration of one's software?

     * Origin: lawrence@eforest.net | The Enchanted Forest (1:106/6018)




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                                   HUMOR
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     From: Bob Crowninshield <mutha@capeonramp.com>

     "Medical Benefits Of Breast Watching"

     This came from the New England Journal of
     Medicine, so men take heart, and ladies - don't
     look at us like we're scum when you catch us.
     We're only doing it for our health.

     Great news for girl watchers: Ogling over women's
     breasts is good for a man's health and can add
     years to his life, medical experts have discovered.
     According to the New England Journal of Medicine,
     "Just 10 minutes of staring at the charms of a female
     is roughly equivalent to a 30-minute aerobics work-
     out" declared gerontologist Dr. Karen Weatherby.

     Dr. Weatherby and fellow researchers at three hospitals
     in Frankfurt, Germany, reached the startling conclusion
     after comparing the health of 200 male outpatients -
     half of whom were instructed to look at busty females
     daily, the other half told to refrain from doing so. The
     study revealed that after five years, the chest-watchers
     had lower blood pressure, slower resting pulse rates
     and fewer instances of coronary artery disease.
     "Sexual excitement gets the heart pumping and
     improves blood circulation," explains Dr. Weatherby.

     "There's no question: Gazing at breasts makes men
     healthier."

     "Our study indicates that engaging in this activity
     a few minutes daily cuts the risk of stroke and heart
     attack in half.  We believe that by doing so consistently,
     the average man can extend his life four or five years."



     "Fish in Boston"

     A Chicago salesman on a business trip to Boston had
     a few hours to kill before catching a plane home.
     Remembering an old friend's advice to try some
     broiled scrod, a favorite fish in Boston, he hopped into
     a cab and asked the driver,

     "Say, do you know where I could get scrod around here?"

     The driver replied, "Pal, I've heard that question a
     thousand times, but this is the first time, ever, in the
     passive pluperfect subjunctive."

     FIDONEWS 18-16               Page 26                  16 Apr 2001


                              STRANDED
     One day a man, who had been stranded on a desert island for
     over ten years, sees an unusual speck on the horizon.

     "It's certainly not a ship," he thinks to himself.
     As the speck gets closer and closer,
     he begins to rule out the possibilities of a small
     boat, then even a raft. Suddenly, emerging from the
     surf comes a drop dead gorgeous
     blonde woman wearing a wet suit and scuba gear.

     She approaches the stunned guy and says to him,
     "Tell me, how long has it
     been since you've had a cigarette?"

     "Ten years," replies the stunned man. With that, she
     reaches over and unzips a waterproof pocket
     on her left sleeve and
     pulls out a pack of fresh cigarettes.

     He takes one, lights it, takes a long drag and says,
     "Man, oh Man! Is that ever good!"

     "And how long has it been since you've had a sip of
     bourbon?" she asks him.

     Trembling, the castaway replies, "Ten years." She
     reaches over, unzips
     her right sleeve, pulls out a flask, and hands it to him.

     He opens the flask, takes a long swig and says,
     "Wow, that's absolutely fantastic!"

     At this point, she starts slowly unzipping the long
     zipper that runs down
     the front of her wet suit, looks at the man
     seductively and asks, "And

     how long has it been since you've played around?"
     With tears in his eyes, the guy falls to his knees
     and sobs, "Oh, sweet God! Don't tell me
     you've got golf clubs in there, too?



                     Class Assignment
     The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment:
     Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it.
     The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their
     stories.

     Ashley said, "My father's a farmer and we have a lot of egg-laying
     hens. One time we were taking our eggs to market in a basket on the
     front seat of the pickup when we hit a big bump in the road and all
     the eggs went flying and broke and made a mess."

     FIDONEWS 18-16               Page 27                  16 Apr 2001


     "And what's the moral of the story?" asked the teacher.
     Ashley said, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket!"
     "Very good," said the teacher.

     Next little Sarah raised her hand and said, "Our family are farmers
     too. But we raise chickens for the meat market.
     We had a dozen eggs one time, but when they hatched we only got ten
     live chicks, and the moral to this story is, "don't count your
     chickens before they're hatched."

     Teacher: "That was a fine story Sarah."
     "Michael, do you have a story to share?"

     "Yes, ma'am, my daddy told me this story about my Aunt Karen.
     Aunt Karen was a flight engineer in Desert Storm and her plane got
     hit.  She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was
     a bottle  of whiskey, a machine gun and a machete.

     She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break when she
     landed, and then she landed right in the middle of 100 enemy troops.
     She killed seventy of them with the machine gun until she ran out of
     bullets.

     Then she killed twenty more with the machete till the blade broke.

     And then she killed the last ten with her bare hands.

     "Good heavens," said the horrified teacher, "what kind of moral did
     your daddy tell you from that horrible story?"

     "Stay the Hell away from Aunt Karen when she's been drinking."










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                                  NOTICES
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                           +++ NOTICES +++
     To: All
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     NLLIST v0.99 - TEST VERSION is now available for download and testing
     at http://www.nexusbbs.net/nllist ... please note that this is a test
     version and as such does not contain much documentation.

     I'd appreciate comments, thoughts, suggestions on this so that I can
     make it better.  Please send comments via either email to
     groberts@nexusbbs.net or routed netmail to 1:220/10.

     Thanks!



     George A. Roberts IV | Developer, Nexus Bulletin Board System
     email: groberts@nexusbbs.net | website: http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Moderator, Fidonet BBS_CARNIVAL / NEXUS / DELPHI.ENG




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     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     ------------------------------------------------------
     *Fidonet-related sites

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  March 3, 2001

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
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          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
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      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
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      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
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      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

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