     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 52             24 Dec 2001 
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                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ INSIDE ]  ...............................................  2
        The Fidonews at a Glance  .................................  2
     3. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]  .....................................  3
        Concerned Voices  .........................................  3
        A silly & unrealistic look at geographical exemptions  ....  4
        The Rougue Region  ........................................  6
        Introduction to Following the Z1C  ........................  9
     4. [ EDITORIAL ]  ............................................ 13
        It's an Anarchy Killing?  ................................. 13
     5. [ FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ]  ............................. 17
        Region 15 Web page  ....................................... 17
        Region 53 Web page  ....................................... 17
     6. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ...................... 19
        "'Tis THE SEASON..."  ..................................... 19
     7. [ FIDONET NOTICES ]  ...................................... 20
        New User Flags  ........................................... 20
     8. [ HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN ]  ................................. 21
        The Fidonet Political Data Base  .......................... 21
        The Zone 1 Inquisition Part 1  ............................ 22
     9. [ COMIX IN ASCII ]  ....................................... 26
        Merry Christmas to those that observe it  ................. 26
     10. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  ................................. 27
        TRUISMS  .................................................. 27
     11. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  .................................... 29
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 29
     12. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............ 31
        Fidonet Software List  .................................... 31
     13. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 35
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 35
     14. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 41
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 41
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 42
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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                      "A hangover is the wrath of grapes."

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                                [ INSIDE ]
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                            The Fidonews at a Glance

      Chris Cranford Joins us in the "General Articles" with "Concerned
     Voices" which addresses the R12 Independent listing of Dale Ross and
     the "RVIA" flags.

     Frank Vest give us "A silly & unrealistic look at geographical
     exemptions.. or not?"

      Also joining us is Philip Lozier with "The Rougue Region", his view
     on Region 12, Policy 4 and more.

      Dale Ross drops by to give us a look at some Seen-By stuffing in his
     article "Introduction to Following the Z1C".

      The editorial this week?? "It's an Anarchy Killing".  You decide. :-)

      In the "Fidonet Web Page Reviews", we have the Region 15 and the
     Region 53 sites. Check both of these out.

     Warren Bonner give us his "Tis the Season" wish to all of us in
     Fidonet.

     In the "Fidonet Notices" section, you will find an announcement of
     some new Nodelist flags.

      In the "Humor in a Fido Vein", Frank Vest gives us a look at "*The
     Fidonet Political Data Base", while Dale Ross tries his hand at some
     humor titled "The Zone 1 Inquisition Part 1", based on a Monty Python
     skit.

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                           [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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                               Concerned Voices
                   Chris Cranford 1:379/0 Charlotte Area Net

     There have been a series of events that have transpired in Zone 1 over
     the last few weeks that, to say the least, has caused a rising concern
     with sysops across multiple regions.

     A lot of debate was centered around the R12IN listing that was given
     to Dale Ross.  This raised concerns with the Z1C and the R18C.  Public
     statements were made by both the Z1C and the R18C that make me believe
     they would be willing to alter the submitted segments of those *Cs in
     order to satisfy their interpretation of the FidoNet policy document
     P4.

     According to the Z1C, the reasons presented for the R12IN listing did
     not satisfy her biased requirements in order for Dale to maintain this
     listing.  Therefore, in the last distributed Zone 1 nodelist, this
     R12IN listing was removed by the Z1C.

     Furthermore, the R18C made public statements that Dale would no longer
     be dual listed and questioned Dale on whether he'd be willing to
     relinquish his Net379 node number in order to maintain his R12IN
     status.  Therefore, not only do I see a Z1C manipulating submitted
     nodelist entries; I also see a RC willing to do the same.

     Now, as if this wasn't enough fuel to add to the fire, Janis publicly
     announces that she will no longer be accepting segments that contain
     the MRVIA and RVIA flag-sets.  Based on immediate uprising of her
     decision, she decided to allow an additional week for *Cs to make
     whatever necessary segment changes to prevent any risk in nodelist
     processing.

     Based on non-public conversations with the R18C, I have chosen to
     comply with his demands in order to not put other R18NCs segments in
     jeopardy of not being processed.

     But what I fail to understand is why these user flags must be removed
     from the nodelist?  What harm are they causing?  And if that wasn't
     enough, should I had left them in, the R18C would have passed my
     segment with an A+ as usual onto Janis'.  The only problem would be if
     she failed the regional segment....

     Over all these political issues, the harm that is being inflicted on
     FidoNet is far greater than the issues that I've listed above.  These
     are just a few tips on that sharp iceberg that is harboring its way
     through Zone 1.

     I ask, when is it going to stop?  People continue to state that
     FidoNet is a hobby.  If FidoNet is a hobby, how can a hobby be
     enjoyful and fun when *Cs are continuously shoving P4 into the eyes of
     those who even some what oppose or interpret that document in a
     different fashion.
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     As Zone 1 continues to shrink, I ask ... What does the Z1C or the RCs
     plan to do in order to avoid the inevitable? Those who have devised
     easy methods to attract sysops into Zone 1 are being condemned because
     they're bringing value back into FidoNet ... Why?  Is it jealously? It
     is certainly possible.  Take a look at www.region18.info ...

     "If you can't beat them, why not join them" ... right Ross?

     My point is, enuff is quite simply enuff.  I'd like to see some
     positive actions from the R18C and the Z1C in order to improve FidoNet
     instead of driving it into the ground.

     Happy Holidays!

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        A silly & unrealistic look at geographical exemptions.. or not?
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308


      There was a Node in a Net in a Region in a Zone. The Node number was
     his very own.

       Good grief! That sounds like something Dr. Seuss would write. :-))
                                    Anyway;

      The Node wanted, for some reason, a Node number in another Region in
     the Zone while keeping the Node number in the current Region.

      While this would not be a problem to do, a simple matter of the RC
     adding the Node to the Nodelist, it is against Policy to have the same
     Person in two different geographical Regions, or Zones or Nets for
     that matter. At least on a permanent basis.

      Geography as put forth in Fidonet Policy was the problem. Let's look
     at geography. What is it?

      In relation to the dictionary, it is "The science that describes the
     surface of the Earth." It is also "The natural aspect, features, etc.,
     of a place or area."

      In Fidonet, a Zone, Region or Net is/could be the natural aspect or
     feature of Fidonet. Maybe this is unrealistic, but humor me. :-)

      It is said that an Internet address is a location and has nothing to
     do with geography. A Fidonet address, then, should have nothing to do
     with geography. In reality, an Internet address is more than an
     address. It is a "phone number" of sorts. One can "dial" an Internet
     address and connect to the machine at that address. To "dial" a
     Fidonet address will connect you to nothing.... well, it might connect
     you to something, but what? Probably not what or who you wanted. :-))

      The Fidonet address is a location. It is geographical in the sense
     that it gives a location of where that node resides within that land
     of Fidonet. The Internet address does this as well for the Internet.
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     The Fidonet address, however, can not be dialed with success unless it
     is translated via some means to a number that can be used to connect.
     That is what the Nodelist does. Without the Nodelist to translate,
     xx:yyyy/zzzz means little as far as "dialing" or making a connection
     goes. On the other hand, 192.168.0.1 is a valid connection number.
     Yes, I know that 192.168.0.1 is not used as an address on the
     Internet. It's just an example, ok.

      What do we have so far?

     Internet address = connectivity
     Fidonet address + Nodelist = connectivity

      What's the problem? Why can't a Fidonet Node have more than one
     address? The Internet allows this, right?

      This, in reality, would not be such a problem if it were only one
     Node. It would be little or no problem if the Node wanted to be
     removed from the current Net in that Region and moved to another
     Region as a Regional Independent or to another Net. As it happened,
     the Node wanted a Node number in one Region's Net while having an
     Regional Independent number in another Region.

      The question is, `why not allow this?'  After all, geography is not
     an issue as far as connection is concerned in today's Internet world.
     An Internet address has no value in geography, why should a Fidonet
     address?

      Technically, I see no problem with this. Let's throw some
     (non)reality in this formula that has been so long in building.
     Reality, or non-reality, can really mess up a world. :)

      The reality is that in the Internet world, one is allowed as many
     addresses as desired if one is willing to pay for them. Technically,
     there is no reason not to allow this.

     Pay and desire are key here.

      The reality is that in Fidonet, one should be allowed to have as many
     addresses as desired. Technically, with the Nodelist to translate
     Fidonet addresses into "dialable numbers", there is no reason not to.
     They don't even have to be paid for.

     Pay and desire again are key here.

      Let's add one more little thing to this. Human nature. If you removed
     "pay" as a factor, most people would ask the Internet for as many
     addresses as they could dream up. "Pay" protects the Internet from
     this to some degree. Yes, I know that there are other factors. Let's
     deal with what we have here, shall we?

      Ok. Let's do a little unrealistic and silly math.

      One Sysop wants a Node number in each Net, Region and Zone in
     Fidonet. Why not?? There's no technical reason not to... Well, let's
     see how that adds up;
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      There are 6 Zones, 70 Regions and hundreds of Nets. Let's use a small
     number for the Nets of, say, 300 minus 1 for the Node asking for the
     numbers.

     1 Sysop x 6 zones = 6 Node numbers
     1 Sysop x 70 Regions = 70 Node Numbers
     1 Sysop x 300 Nets - 1 = 299 Node Numbers

      So; 6 + 70 + 299 = 375 Nodes in the Nodelist plus what is currently
     there.

      That's not too bad, right??

      Let's go one more step.

     300 Nets = an average of, say, 10 Nodes per net.

     300 x 10 = 3000 Nodes

      I'll let you do the formula here. The grand total would be around
     828000 Nodes numbers.

      Now, add to this formula that each Node could start his/her own Net
     up to the limit that Fidonet addressing allows. Better yet, figure the
     maximum number of addresses available in the "xx:yyyy/zzzz" addressing
     of Fidonet. Oh yes.. don't forget the .9999 for Point addresses.  I
     don't even want to try that math. :-)

      Oh... alright... Somewhere around 9,898,020,099 assuming 99 Zones
     with 9999 Nets and 9999 Nodes and 0 Points, If I haven't missed in the
     math. If I have, well... that's life.

      Ok... You're going to argue that "common sense" would win out, Sysops
     voting on allowing addresses would prevent this, we would never reach
     this many Node numbers, the *Cs would prevent it and other things.

      Well... Common sense in many cases isn't common, the *C are claimed
     to be only "Clerks" under the Nodes and, adding apathy in to the
     formula, if someone wanted to add a Net or Region with his/her friends
     in it and a vote was taken, most likely, the only voters would be the
     person and his/her friends. Guaranteed addition of Net or Region...
     maybe both or more... and isn't the reason for having an address pool
     in the Internet because the Internet is running out of addresses?

      Oh heck! Let's do it! I want to see a Pentium bog down processing a
     20 gig Nodelist. :-))

      Wanna turn your Cray into a XT? Join Fidonet. :-)))

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                               The Rougue Region
                            Philip Lozier 1:267/169

     As I watch the debates go on concerning the removal of the RC12, I
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     can't help but be amazed at the reactions to this by many, and the
     complete blindness of those who fail to see the simplicity of the
     issue.

     What I see from the folks who are against this removal are a bunch of
     personal opinions not related to policy at all.  There is no place for
     those "opinions" when viewing an action of this nature, as it is
     clearly defined within the policy itself.

     Many have said that policy needs to be modified, and I would agree
     with this, however, policy should not be changed to the drastic degree
     that many would like IMO. I have many views on this, but it is a whole
     different issue.

     Let me, before I go any further, state that I am not opposed to the
     allowance of out of net, or region, listings if there is a good
     technical reason for it, and if proper procedure is followed in having
     the listing agreed to by all involved, and approval is made by the ZC.
     This is absolutely NOT the case here.

     R12 has a long history of defying Policy4 and trying to do whatever it
     damn well pleases.  Recently, as is evident by the issue at hand, they
     have simply taken one step to far, and got their toes stepped on for
     it...  It was felt that it would be just fine and dandy to go ahead
     and list another node that was listed elsewhere without consulting
     anybody at all.  The ZC got wind of this, and cried foul, and told R12
     that they could not do this any longer.  From what I understand, the
     response of the RC12 was to mark the node on hold (which still in no
     way solved an illegitimate listing), send a response to the ZC of the
     effect that R12 has their own interpretation of P4, and to immediately
     list EVEN MORE nodes in a similar fashion.

     To top it off even further, the RC12, to my understanding, further
     issued a defiant public statement in which the offer was made to list
     ANY node, from anywhere, within R12, wether they were listed elsewhere
     or not.

     How can an RC take actions like these, and NOT expect to be removed?

     The question has been issued as to if the ZC had a right to do this...
     YUP.  Policy supports it.  ANY RC is "responsible" to the ZC:


     <policy>
     1.2.8  Top-down Organization.  Checks and Balances.

     For example, a Regional Coordinator is responsible to the Zone
     Coordinator for anything that happens in the region.  From the point
     of view of the Zone Coordinator, the Regional Coordinator is
     completely responsible for the smooth operation of the region.
     </policy>

     The above clearly states that the RC is answerable to the ZC.  For
     those who claim otherwise, they probably think the sky is red, and
     need a new prescription for their eyeglasses as well.

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     Many say the geographical clauses need to be changed... why?  If a
     node, be it ION or not, lives in say Chicago, if the net in Chicago is
     able to provide them a proper feed, then what good reason would they
     have to list elsewhere?  Just to be different?  If there is no local
     net, why can't they still lit within their "proper" region. It makes
     no sense.

     The fact is that this is a geographical issue, and geography is well
     defined in P4, and until changed, stands as is. Without spelling it
     all out, we know what it says... wether you like it or not is
     irrelevant.  The most relevant part here clearly says that network
     membership is based on geographical or other purely technical
     rationale. It is not based on personal or social factors.

     The exemptions portion clearly state that an exemption is NOT a right,
     and is not permanent.  It further states that in the "exceptional"
     case where an exemption is allowed, it MUST be agreed upon between the
     ZC and the RC's (note the plural) involved. Again, this is not the
     case here.

     The RC12 clearly defied these portions of policy as if they had never
     existed, and never even consulted the ZC, or any other RC involved. In
     doing so, it would appear to me that R12 was acting as a rougue region
     that lives outside of policy, and with no consideration for the rest
     of FidoNet whatsoever.

     This lack of consideration for Fidonet as a whole is a continuous
     thing.  While some may say "well their attracting new nodes, why
     shouldn't they reap the rewards", I would say, that if they are
     attracting new nodes, then they are doing what they are supposed to.
     They are also supposed to refer these nodes to the proper network or
     region that they belong in.  If they were truly acting on the best
     interest of Fidonet, they would be more than happy and willing to do
     it the right way, and help other portions of FidoNet grow, but it
     appears that they are only self serving, and that there actions of
     node snatching are no more reputable or proper than the actions of
     those who would hijack an echo to serve their own purposes.

     Getting right down to if the ZC had the right to remove RC12, I submit
     my final portion of policy quote:

     <policy>
     6  Zone Coordinator Procedures

     6.1  General

     If a Zone Coordinator determines that a Regional Coordinator is not
     properly performing the duties outlined in section 5, a replacement
     should be found.

     The Zone Coordinator is responsible for reviewing and approving any
     geographic exemptions as described in section 5.6.
     </policy>

     Sky still red? Clearly the ZC has the right to remove the RC. Clearly
     the RC12 should have consulted the ZC about any geographic exemptions.
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     Clearly the RC12 defied the ZC publicly, and CLEARLY the RC12, while
     capable of doing so, REFUSED to perform her duties as described by
     policy, and even more clearly, was fully justified in being removed.

     I am pretty confident on my position here, as a vote has been being
     taken around here as wether to back or condemn the removal.  So far,
     though it -may- change, the flow seems towards backing the removal.

     Why would it be any other way?  If rougues are allowed to run around
     FidoNet and do anything they please, and get away with it without any
     level of accountability, then only chaos can follow.  It will be then
     that all levels of even the loosest form of organization will be lost,
     and the true demise of FidoNet starts to unfold.

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                       Introduction to Following the Z1C

     There are several issues that surround our Current Z1C that I will be
     writing about in coming editions of FidoNews as time permits. Some
     of my writings will be articles that will attempt to explain problems
     from my point of view. There will also be comic relief skits that
     have been put together for tension relief. They also represent some
     of the events that my articles will cover. Most of the comic relief
     skits are based on Monty Python skits and Python type humor. So to
     fully understand them you might want to check out the echo MONTE
     and ask questions :-). MONTE is an echo for the discussion of the
     funniest troupe to ever grace this planet.

     Dale Ross
     1:379/1

             Scene 1: The Z1C and Z1EC Seenby stuffing event

     Some of you reading this article are already aware of Seenby-gate.
     However, I realize that many sysops do not read the Zone 1 echoes
     because of the bad blood they contain. Those sysops get their
     information here in FidoNews or from debates that spill over into
     the echoes that they are be reading.

     The key players:

     FidoNet Z1EC: Foxy Ferguson
     FidoNet Z1C: Janis Kracht

     The Z1EC is the editor and primary distributor of the "Official"
     Zone 1 Echomail routing chart, ROUTELST.nnn. At least that is what
     the Z1C and Z1EC call it, the "Official" list.

     I am not going to go into every detail of every battle that led up to
     Seenby-gate. After earlier conflicts between Foxy and several
     Tier 1 Hubs from the Z1B over her handling of ROUTELST.nnn, it
     was suggested that an alternate routing list might be produced.
     Janet Kracht warned John Souvestre against the production of an
     alternate routing list. Her statement was perceived as a threat and
     she was advised of that fact. She was asked multiple times to clarify
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     her statement and she refused to do so. Here is her statement:

     +++ MESSAGE HEADER+++
     From:   JANIS KRACHT
     To:   JOHN SOUVESTRE
     Date:   2/11/2001 11:14 PM
     Subject:   Open Letter
     Echo: Z1_Routing
     +++MESSAGE HEADER+++

     Quote from Janis:
     "And now you are threatening to create another routelist? I'll tell
     you what.  If you don't drop this problem you have with Foxy and
     truly try to work with her, and if you don't stop threatening to
     create another routelist, you may find your Z1B left in the dust."

     Later she made the following comment:

     +++ MESSAGE HEADER+++
     From:   JANIS KRACHT
     To:   JOHN SOUVESTRE
     Date:   2/12/2001 3:41 PM
     Subject:   Open Letter
     Echo: Z1_Routing
     +++ MESSAGE HEADER+++

     Quote from Janis:
     "I think that creating another ERN Routelist will cause the Z1B more
     problems than you can imagine."

     After these messages many of us were left with the feeling that the
     Z1C would try to take some kind of action against the Z1B and anyone
     friendly towards the Z1B.

     Because of the issues with the Z1EC and the Z1C, ultimately several
     sysops approached me about an alternate routing list. They were
     interested in forming a volunteer group, aka ERN Charting Committee
     to address routing issues. Up until that point none of these sysops
     had discussed with me or any other member of the Z1B the possibility
     of creating an alternate list. The mission of this group was to look
     into the possibility of producing an alternate routing chart for
     Zone 1. Eventually an alternate routing list was produced and it was
     hatched into Z1_REC, the same file distribution echo that
     ROUTELST.nnn is hatched.

     The very next week the Z1EC hatched ROUTELST.112. Only this time
     several FidoNet Zone 1 node numbers were added to the Seenby lines
     of the tic file. This prevented these systems, and any peer
     connection links of these systems from receiving ROUTELST.112. Not a
     single system that was added to the Seenby line connected directly to
     the Z1EC for any kind of traffic. That very same week the weekly
     posting or ROUTELST.nnn to the message echo Z1_ROUTING stopped.
     Obviously both of these events were attempts to keep routing
     information out of the hands of people that were considered to be
     "not friendly" to the Z1C and Z1EC.

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     I learned that ROUTELST.112 had been hatched but did not arrive at
     my system. I contacted my upstream link for files,
     Bob Juge @1:106/2000 about the problem. He acknowledged that the
     problem was upstream of him but did not elaborate on what the problem
     might be. After checking with another Z1B hub,
     Todd Cochrane (1:10/345) it was confirmed that my node number,
     1:379/1 and several other node numbers were in the tic file that he
     received. Node numbers 4-5 hops away from the Z1EC where also in the
     tic file. There were even systems that did not normally receive that
     file echo that were also listed in the tic file.

     The following nodes were added:

     Seenby 1:229/438  Darrell Salter
     Seenby 1:229/604  Stewart Honsberger
     Seenby 1:229/731  Phil Simpson
     Seenby 1:249/116  Carl Austin Bennett
     Seenby 1:250/525  Lesley-Dee Dylan
     Seenby 1:379/1      Dale Ross
     Seenby 1:2404/201 Ruth Argust
     Seenby 1:2624/306 David Calafrancesco

     The result of this stuffing of node numbers was that the Z1C did
     little more than slap the Z1EC on the wrist. The Z1C continues to
     support the Z1EC. The Z1EC AND Z1C have never explained what happen
     nor have they apologized for these actions against fellow FidoNet
     sysops. The Z1EC has attempted to blame this problem on an error in
     processing and some multi-computer configuration that she has setup.
     Third hand information suggests that she entered the node numbers
     into a new software package to test that package and meant to remove
     the numbers before the real file was hatched.

     The question we have about that explanation:

     Why were these specific node numbers used for the test? Everyone one
     of the nodes listed was unfriendly to the Z1C or Z1EC for one reason
     or another.

     It is very obvious that this was a deliberate act by the Z1EC and
     possibly the Z1C based on her previous threats. Some of us believe
     that this was simply the Z1C carrying out the threats that she had
     issued a few months earlier.
     The Z1EC has several people running interference for her, most
     notably Ross Cassell (1:18/500) and of course our esteemed Z1C.
     There are several other people helping but their roles to date have
     been of a much lower profile and do not warrant mentioning at this
     time. I mention the players because you will read about them in the
     comedy skit that I have submitted with this article. As new players
     are introduced in future skits I will detail that person's role so
     that you can get a better understanding of the players.

     There are two people that are publicly known to be associated with
     the group producing the alternate routing list. Bobby Queen 1:379/5
     is the public spokesperson for the group. I provide a point address
     for the group to send NetMail queries about routing information and
     I provide technical "support" concerning routing issues.
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     I may write another article about other events surrounding this
     routing chart in the future. The purpose of that article will be to
     give you a better understanding of what they do. However, the
     intention of this article is to focus on the Seenby stuffing.

     These events have generated several compilations of Monty Python
     skits to fit the situation(s).  This is the first of those skits.
     They were all written as a method of releasing tension over the
     situation. We went through several names before we hit on these. We
     figure they are more acceptable to all readers than some of the other
     proposed names. As I was touching this skit up months after
     originally writing it, a new name has come to the surface and I have
     added it in here.

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                               [ EDITORIAL ]
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                            It's an Anarchy Killing?
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308

      Far be it for me to claim any knowledge of Anarchy. My interest is
     due mainly to claims that Fidonet is/was supposed to be an anarchy and
     that Tom Jennings is/was an anarchist.

      With the above in mind, I felt that a wee bit of study should be
     invested, therefore, I have done a little reading on the subject of
     anarchy. Probably as much as some have done regarding Policy4 prior to
     rejecting or using it. Maybe more. :)

      Ok... So what is Anarchy??

     (Before going on, I would advise the tobacco and brewing industry to
     double production immediately The EPA (Environmental Protection
     Agency) and MADD (Mothers against Drunk Drivers) should go into
     "alert" status as well as any other entities affected, as there is
     going to be an increased need in the areas covered by them.)

      From the definitions I read, anarchy is "no rule" or "without rule".

     <sputter, cough>
      What!!! NO RULES!?!?!? We can't function without rules! This is
     insane!!  Where's my cigarettes! I need a beer!! Where's my car
     keys???! I need to go to the store for more cigarettes and beer!!
     (insert sound effects as desired)
     </sputter, cough>

     Easy now... easy...

      Um.. er... Would someone please help these poor readers back to their
     chair in front of the computer?.... Thanks! :)

      Now, kind readers, please give your car keys to someone you can trust
     or put them away, take the 5 cigarettes out of your mouth, put the
     glass of whatever alcohol you are drinking down before you spill it on
     the keyboard again, clean the monitor screen, take a few deep breaths
     and relax.....  Good... much better. :)

     Ok, let's continue.

      Anarchy is "without rule"... it is not "without RULES". Notice the
     difference? From my understanding, the belief is not being ruled over
     or by someone/group. "Rules" are allowed. In fact, rules will exist.

      Anarchy also seems to believe that a group of people will, if left
     alone, work out a system of "rules", or agreement(s), to accomplish
     whatever they need to accomplish. This, without the need for a person,
     or group, to tell them "how to", "what to", "when to" and such. IOW
     without force, coercion or rule.
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 14                  24 Dec 2001


      The above can be accomplished via two methods.

      One is revolution. This can require coercion, and often, deception to
     get others to join in the action... unless the group is large enough
     to cause the revolution by itself. This can work, but can have the
     side effect of a need to be able to "enforce" the "anarchy" that has
     been fought for and won.  If you note "enforce" and "anarchy", you can
     see that there is the real possibility that this can revert back to
     the same, if not a worse, state than what was fought for in the first
     place.

      The other is through cooperation, education and such. While this
     might take a long time and ultimately end in a revolution, the
     revolution would, IMHO, be more lasting in its intended effect. IOW,
     The larger the group that has the same views, the less the resistance
     needed and the less the enforcement needed to maintain the results. Of
     course, this could revert back, but wouldn't be as likely since most
     would be of like mind and belief.


      Whew! I'm glad that's over. :)  With that behind us, let's press on
     and look at Fidonet.

      Fidonet is an anarchy? Well, I'll get into my humble opinions here
     and you can decide from them... or other means.

      Fidonet has a policy. Yes, I know it is old. I know it has been used
     wrongly and all the other arguments that go along as well. However,
     Fidonet is an anarchy in the respect that, for the most part, the
     Sysops that run the systems (computers) in Fidonet do as they please
     and _choose_ to be in Fidonet.

      The "_choose_" is important. If the choice to be part of Fidonet was
     made with full understanding and knowledge that there is a policy,
     then there should be little in the way of problems. If the choice was
     made without this understanding and knowledge, then someone did
     someone a disservice. Take that up with that person.  The point is,
     The choice was made to join... the choice can be made to leave if
     desired. Anarchy. No force or coercion to stay. Your own free will.

     One other thing that anarchy seems to deal with is reality. While
     anarchy is "without rule" the reality is that there will be rules and
     rule. The difference is that in anarchy, the group agrees on the rules
     and the rule is by the group. No one person or group can rule over
     another. All are free to join or leave a group as desired or create a
     group.... without fear of persecution by the rest of the group(s). Any
     person can form another group if the group they are in doesn't "fit"
     what they believe.  No one is forced to stay in Fidonet. No one is
     prevented from starting a new group outside of Fidonet. That much of
     Fidonet is anarchy.

      Once someone chooses to join Fidonet, they are subject to it's rules.
     The coercion and force are currently there. Policy is policy until
     policy is changed. How to change policy is written in policy. How to
     change policy to fit what the people want is written in policy and in
     anarchy.
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 15                  24 Dec 2001


     Policy allows for change. It's hard to do. People don't want to
     change.... unless it is shown to be good, of benefit or something
     positive. As it currently stands, most of what I've seen in Z1 has
     been anything but positive. Arguing that anarchy is better by
     accusation, names being called, blame being laid (justified or not)
     and all other such are negative. Why would people want to change from
     a government enforced order to a anarchy when appearances are that
     both use the same thing to administer? Why change policy when the
     arguments to change are justified with the same political accusations
     that are used to justify not changing? Where is the positive? People
     aren't going to vote, ask for or try to change anything in such a
     situation. Why change? They have the same thing now, from all
     appearances.

      Yes, Policy4 was voted in by the, then, controlling parties. Yes,
     it's been forced upon Fidonet? That is not relevant to this. What is
     relevant is that this forced policy was, and is, accepted by Fidonet
     in general. Remember that one Zone dos not a Fidonet make. It is
     entrenched in Fidonet and a revolution by one Zone, much less a Region
     or Net, that makes up a small part of Fidonet isn't going to last.
     People, in general, don't want to change.

      A revolution, in definition, is the overthrow (removal) of one thing
     for another. Often times, more so with anarchy, there is a vacuum left
     by the revolution. This vacuum is often filled with the same, or a
     worse, government than what was removed by the revolution in the first
     place.

      Is anarchy a good thing? Yes, it can be. Can it be done in Fidonet?
     Yes, it can. Will it be done? I don't know.  I don't believe it will
     be done until those that claim to be anarchist realize that they are
     barking up the wrong tree. I don't believe that it will happen without
     changing Policy4. I don't think that Policy4 will be changed by/with
     revolution or force. I think that the only way to change policy is to
     work within policy for a change. Not violently, not with force, but
     within what policy allows. Use policy to change policy. Use education
     to show the benefits. Remember, people don't want to change. This is
     even more true if the change from force is made with force. :-)

     Do I believe that Fidonet is an anarchy? Yes and no. Some of it is,
     some isn't. Reality? What Fidonet it is, it is. Until the groups in
     Fidonet can be convinced that anarchy is positive, good, of benefit
     and other such, full anarchy will not happen. I'm not sure this is
     possible in any reality to begin with. It is possible to have a group,
     or groups, that is/are anarchistic, but they will have to live within
     the current Fidonet and abide by it's rule until such time as enough
     are educated and join with them. Force, rebellion and other such acts
     will not accomplish this. IMHO, this is reality.

     I do believe that many of those in Fidonet that claim anarchy aren't
     and know little about anarchy. I do believe that I don't know all
     about it either. I do believe that, to some degree, I've read more on
     anarchy than some have read on Policy4. I do believe that my
     interpretation of what I have read may be as accurate as some
     interpretations of Policy4. :)

     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 16                  24 Dec 2001


     I do believe that I have some references for those interested. :)

     http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~ctb/anarchy/
     http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~ctb/anarchy/docs/consent.html

     Best regards,

      Frank

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                       [ FIDONET WEB PAGE REVIEWS ]
     =================================================================

                               Region 15 Web Page
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308



     Where?: http://www.bobsplc.com/public/reg15/index.html


      This reporter may be a little prejudice in this review. I've always
     liked the desert areas of the U.S.A. New Mexico was, and still is,
     where I want to live.

      The background of the page is beautiful. Nice "sky blue" fade. Of
     course, there is the "Dog with Diskette" at the top. How else to tell
     it is a Fidonet page? :-)

      The title is a large font instead of a graphic. Nice in that it loads
     faster. Up front, this page tells you where the Region is located. If
     you look, there is a link for applying for a Node number.

      As you scroll down, there's a nice picture and a blurb telling who
     hosts the page and where the host is located. I'm not sure that this
     plug of a BBS is warranted, but it's not my page. :)

      We now come to the menu area. There are four links here. Dial-up BBS
     list in R15, telnet BBS in R15, Links to other Fidonet sites and
     a link for applying for a Node number in R15.

     The "Links to other Fidonet Sites" is a little sparse, but I'm sure
     that will come around in time. :)

     At the bottom of the page is a link to retrieve Policy 4 and some
     credits and copyright.

     All in all, a nice page. Some work yet to be done, obviously, but a
     good page.


     Good Fidonet web page surfing to you all,

      Frank

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                               Region 53 Web Page
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308


     Where: http://fido.bitsoft.ro/

     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 18                  24 Dec 2001


      To call this a Fidonet web page would be understating thing. This is
     more like a Fidonet world. The design looks like something you would
     see on a new site or something. It is well designed and organized.

      At the top is the header that announces what the site is about and
     gives location. Under that are options for member log in, search and
     topics. You can join, but it is not required. Down the left side are
     links to other parts of the site. The center is used for news article
     "snippets" to read and a link to read the article if it interests you.
     On the right side is an option to select your language, a "poll" area
     for voting and a log in option for members.

      I haven't explored this site in full, but from what I have looked at,
     it is impressive. The one thing I don't like is the "Dog with
     Diskette". The poor thing seems a little "squashed" to me. :)

     I would suggest that you take a look at this site. It's clean looking,
     well designed and organized. The site promotes the positive and give
     information. Very well done IMHO.


     Happy surfing,

     Frank

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                              "'Tis THE SEASON..."
                   From: Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>

     To be jolly, fa la la.. a la laaa...  Way back when I was a kid, this
     season was my reason for being a 'good boy' all year! Hi De Ho Ho!
     This little elf has been working especially hard to bring the Snooze
     some Christmas cheer.  It is not easy to get into that mood if I pay
     attention to the tensions generated in the echoes, even over a
     submitted article, a nodelisting or a routing flag!

     This year has been trying times for Fidonet. So today, instead of
     talking about the futility of the above as I originally had penned,
     I'm sending my warmest holiday wishes to each and every one of you.

     Our family has always celebrated the unique and special warm feelings
     that seem to fill the air in every room of our home with love.  I'm
     especially grateful to God for the love I share with my wife Jannie,
     and our six children, and all of their children.  We wish everyone
     good health, happiness and prosperity to all of you and your loved
     ones everywhere in the world.

     I pray for the safety and well being of our troops around the world,
     and wish they too could put their feet under their Mom's Christmas
     dinner table.  Grateful for the bravery and courage of the Firemen and
     Firewomen who work to protect our homes and the Police who guard our
     safety with their own lives, and to the Paramedics emergency services
     that save so many lives.

     May this Holiday Season be filled with rapture and tranquility is my
     most sincere wish for all.  May God bless America and may this
     Christmas day bring you and your family love, peace and happiness.

     To help to that end, below are some sites you and family may visit:

     http://www.noradsanta.org/  Children from around the world can follow
     Santa and his reindeer moving from global time zone to time zone.

     http://odin.aafes.com/mars/marsgram.asp Armed forces personnel and
     their families can exchange messages.

     http://www.reata.org/interview2.html What would it be like to talk
     with God? This touching presentation is visually stunning and offers a
     collection of life's lessons and ideas that anyone can learn from.

     Warmest Regards,
     Ol'wdb

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     The following Nodelist flags have been announced for use by the
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         In a flag field of the nodelist the MRVIA flag would be used
         indicating the three dimensional node number of that node which
         will route the netmail to the network/region listed in the node
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         This flag is normally on the NEC or REC's nodelist entry.

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        This flag should not be used by nodes whose routing path is
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        list maintained as each zone decides. It should, however, be
        used if no true routing data is available for a node.

        In a flag field of the nodelist the RVIA flag would be used
        indicating the three dimensional node number of that node which
        will route the netmail to the node listed in the node number
        field for the nodelist on that line.

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        This flag optionally may carry a :Z:net/node uplink primary.
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                         [ HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN ]
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                        The Fidonet Political Data Base
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308


      It has come to my attention that there may be some people in Fidonet
     that just don't understand the Political Data Base that Fidonet
     politics uses. The below is based on a reply I made to a person that,
     I'm sure, didn't want to know this. :-)

     The Question (if you call it that) :-)

      I know very little about how fidonet politics work, so if I offend
     any one, it is unintentional.

     The Answer (if you call it that) :-)

     You've probably already offended someone. Simply not knowing is
     offensive to some. :)  I'll offer a quick primer below for you to
     study with a grain of salt. :-)


     Politics in Fidonet are simple.

     The data base:

      Anything you write that offends someone, or even if it doesn't, will
     be entered into someone's data base. It will be cross referenced in
     every conceivable way. When you write a message from then on, that
     data base will be checked and if what you are writing is in any way
     different from what you wrote before, it will be thrown back in your
     face. Of course, you will keep a data base as well so that you can
     check it and hit back. The data base is maintained from the beginning
     of you joining Fidonet and is never deleted.... even if you leave
     Fidonet.... after all, you might come back.

      If you were known by someone prior to joining Fidonet, that data is
     already included in their data. Be sure to include your knowledge of
     them in your data. :)

      Now, don't make the mistake of not keeping a data base on your
     buddies. They may become your enemy some day and you'll need that
     data. Beside, you know they are keeping a data base on you. :)

     Use of data base:

      The use of the data base is rather simple. If someone writes a
     message that disagrees with you or if you don't like that person for
     some real or perceived wrong they did to you or your buddy, you
     consult your data base and use every message that they ever wrote and
     every action they ever took against them. NOTE: You can also do this
     just for the sake of starting something. :)
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 22                  24 Dec 2001


      Always enter the message you are replying to into your data base
     before you write your reply. That way it can be selectively recalled,
     twisted and spun into what ever you desire with additions from your
     data base.

     Data base rules:

      Never keep your data base in any form of hard copy. Keep it in your
     mind/memory. That way you can selectively remember. :)

      Add to and update your data base constantly. Additions can, and
     should, be from every message written by anyone in Fidonet....

      Additions against others can and should come from messages written
     from other data bases. NOTE: It is not relevant that information from
     other data bases be accurate. Enter the data anyway.... especially if
     it is old data from someone IE: A quote of someone's past writing or
     some conjecture of/from someone.

     Final note:

     If you are new and don't have a data base on someone, insult them or
     something. That way you can gather data for your data base. ;-)


     Welcome to Fidonet. :-))

     Regards,

      Frank

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                       The Zone 1 Inquisition Part 1
                                  By Dale Ross
                                    1:379/1

     This skit is loosely (OK tightly) based on Monty Python's Spanish
     Inquisition  - Trouble at the Mill Skit

     Dale: Trouble in backbone
     Bobby: Oh no... what kind of trouble?
     Dale: One on't routelists gone owt skew on backbone
     Bobby: Pardon?
     Dale: One on't routelists gone owt skew on backbone
     Bobby: I don't understand what you are saying.
     Dale: One of the routelists has gone out askew on the backbone.
     Bobby: What on earth does that mean?
     Dale: /I/ don't know - Mr. Cochrane just told me to come in here and
     say that there was trouble in backbone that's all. I didn't expect a
     kind of Zone 1 Inquisition

     <Door flies open; Cardinal Snookums and two junior Cardinal's
     Stuff-in-Such and Crass barge in>

     Snookums: NOBODY expects the Zone 1 Inquisition! Our chief weapon is
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 23                  24 Dec 2001


     surprise... stuffing and fear... fear and surprise. Our two weapons
     are surprise and fear... and ruthless stuffing. Our three weapons are
     surprise, fear, ruthless stuffing... and an almost fanatical devotion
     to P4. Our /FOUR/ ...no... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements
     as surprise, fear.... I'll come in again.

     <They Exit through the door>

     Dale: I didn't expect a kind of Zone 1 Inquisition

     <Door flies open and the Cardinals enter>

     Snookums: NOBODY expects the Zone 1 Inquisition! Amongst our weaponry
     are such diverse elements as: surprise, fear, ruthless stuffing, an
     almost fanatical devotion to P4, and nice red uniforms - Oh damn! (to
     Cardinal Stuff-in-Such) I can't say it - you'll have to say it.

     Stuff-in-Such: What?

     Snookums: You'll have to say the bit about 'Our chief weapons are ...'

     Stuff-in-Such: I couldn't do that...

     <They Exit through the door>

     Dale: I didn't expect a kind of Zone 1 Inquisition

     <Door flies open>

     Stuff-in-Such: Er.... Nobody...um....

     Snookums: Expects

     Stuff-in-Such: Expects... Nobody expects the...um...the Zone 1...um..

     Snookums: Inquisition

     Stuff-in-Such: I know, I know! Nobody expects the Zone 1 Inquisition.
     In fact, those who do expect...

     Snookums: Our chief weapons are...

     Stuff-in-Such: Our chief weapons are...um...er...

     Snookums: Stuffing

     Stuff-in-Such: Stuffing and --

     Snookums: Okay, stop. Stop. Stop there - stop there. Stop. Phew! Ah!
     ...our chief weapons are stuffing...blah blah blah. Cardinal, read
     the charges.

     Crass: You are hereby charged that you did on diverse dates commit
     heresy against FidoNet. 'My old *C said follow the--'

     Stuff-in-Such: That's enough. (To Bobby) Now, how do you plead?
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 24                  24 Dec 2001


     Bobby: We're innocent

     Snookums: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

     Stuff-in-Such: We'll soon change your mind about that!

     Snookums: Surprise, fear, and a most ruthless-- (controls herself
     with a supreme effort) Ooooh! Now, Cardinal -- the tic file!

     <Stuff-in-Such produces a huge Fox tick>

     Stuff-in-Such: You... Right! Tie them down!

     Snookums: Right! How do you plead?

     Bobby: Innocent.

     Snookums: Ha! Right! Cardinal, stuff a node number in the tic file.

     Stuff-in-Such: I…

     Snookums: I *know*, I know you can't. I didn't want to say anything.
     I just wanted to try and ignore your Crass mistake.

     Stuff-in-Such: I...

     Snookums: It makes it all seem so stupid.

     Stuff-in-Such: Shall I...?

     Snookums: No, just pretend for Fido's sake. Ha! Ha! Ha!

     <Stuff-in-Such pretends to open up a text editor and add node numbers
     to a tic file. The Fox tick is rather irritated by the actions and
     bites Stuff-in-Such>

     Snookums: Now, ERN Charting Committee-- you are accused of heresy on
     three counts -- heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed,
     and heresy by action -- *four* counts. Do you confess?

     Bobby: We don't understand what we are accused of.

     Snookums: Ha! Then we shall make you understand! Stuff-in-Such!
     Fetch...THE Hatching Program!

     Stuff-in-Such: Here it is, lord.

     Snookums: Now, ERN Charting Committee -- you have one last chance.
     Confess the heinous sin of heresy, reject the works of the Alternate
     routing list -- *two* last chances. And you shall be free -- *three*
     last chances. You have three last chances, the nature of which I have
     divulged in my previous utterance.

     Bobby: We don't know what you're talking about.

     Snookums: Right! If that's the way you want it -- Cardinal! Hatch the
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 25                  24 Dec 2001


     file!

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                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
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                                   TRUISMS...

     Love is grand. Divorce is a hundred grand.

     I am in shape. ..Round is a shape.

     Never be afraid to try something new. Remember amateurs built the ark.
     Professionals built the Titanic.

     Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good.

     Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.

     Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
     sit there.

     Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be
     changed regularly and for the same reason.

     An optimist thinks that this is the best possible world.. A pessimist
     fears that this is true.

     There will always be death and taxes; however, death doesn't get worse
     every year.

     In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday.

     I am a nutritional overachiever.

     I am having an out of money experience.

     I plan on living forever. So far, so good.

     Practice safe eating - always use condiments.

     If marriage were outlawed, only outlaws would have in-laws.

     It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers to
     ask you the questions.

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
     right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
     moment.

     Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

     Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone.

     And this one is the real truth, so pay attention;
     You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you
     stopped laughing.

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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.355
      File has a Date Stamp of : 12/21/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1172.38 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10574 Nodes in it
      and a total of  13805 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     487 Network Hosts listed.
                     733 Hubs listed.
                     364 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     895 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     681 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1291 ( 12.21 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 895 (  8.46 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9023 (  85.33 %)
                        (HST's =  191 or   2.12 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    1 or   0.01 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   14 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    2 or   0.02 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5071 or  56.20 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  591 or   6.55 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 4864 or  53.91 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  640 or   7.09 % "       "    "     "   )
            2400 =    109 (  1.03 %)
            1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
             300 =    467 (  4.42 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             3977
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                 9
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 30                  24 Dec 2001


      XR              Opus 1.03                      70
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     407
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4588
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3666 ( 34.67 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5596 ( 52.92 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    814 (  7.70 %)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 31                  24 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
     =================================================================


                             Fidonet Software List
                                By Todd Cochrane
     Type:

     B=BBS  D=Door  M=Mailer  T=Tosser   C=Communication (terminal)
     U=Utility  P=Point Software  I=Internet (telnet, BinkP...)

     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=+=-=-+-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     (   Software Name     ) |Type| (         Author/Contact              )
     <+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=|=-=-|-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+>
     |BBBS Home Page         |B   | b@bbbs.net                            |
     |                       |    | www.bbbs.net/                         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |ELEBBS The Elevator    |B   | elebbs@elebbs.com                     |
     |Software Production    |    | www.elebbs.com                        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Hermes II Project      |B   | info@HermesII.org                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.hermesii.org/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Maximus BBS Support    |B   | sales@lainus.com                      |
     |Page (Non Official)    |    | http://www.vector11.com/maximus/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |MBSE BBS               |B   | Michiel Broek                         |
     |                       |    | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net          |
     |                       |    | http://mbse.sourceforge.net           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Mystic BBS             |B   | http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/      |
     |                       |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Nexus Bulletin         |B   | groberts@nexusbbs.net                 |
     |Board System           |    | http://www.nexusbbs.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Proboard, Searchlight, |BC  | info@telegrafix.com                   |
     |Telegrafix             |    | http://www.telegrafix.com             |
     |Communications         |    | 540-678-4050                          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |RemoteAccess           |B   | Bruce Morse                           |
     |Central                |    | bfmorse@rapro.com                     |
     |                       |    | http://www.rapro.com/                 |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Spitfire BBS           |B   | MDWoltz@AOL.COM                       |
     |Buffalo Creek Software |    |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Synchronet BBS         |BT  | sysop@vert.synchro.net                |
     |                       |    | http://www.synchro.net                |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Telegard BBS           |B   | support@telegard.net                  |
     |                       |    | http://www.telegard.net/              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Wildcat Interactive    |BTMI| sales@santronics.com                  |
     |Net Server             |    | http://www.santronics.com             |
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 32                  24 Dec 2001


     |Plantinum Express      |    |(305)248-3204                          |
     |                       |    | Santronics Inc.                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Bentstone Capabilities |D   | info@stonebenders.com                 |
     |Group                  |    | http://www.srupc.com/mall             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Jibben Software        |D   | scott@jibben.com                      |
     |                       |    | http://www.jibbensoftware.com/        |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JNS Software Door Games|D   | Rusty Johnson                         |
     |                       |    | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com            |
     |                       |    | 304-733-0113                          |
     |                       |    | http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Legend Of The Red      |D   |                                       |
     |Dragon Reborn          |    |                                       |
     |(L.O.R.D.)             |    | http://www.lordlegacy.org/            |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PC Pursuits            |D   |brucep@pop.kis.net                     |
     |                       |    |(301)240-6653                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |S and T Software       |D   |Mark Bappe                             |
     |                       |    |mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net             |
     |                       |    |(770)788-6843                          |
     |                       |    |http://bozax.iainc.net/public/         |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Shinning Star BBS Doors|D   |nannette@shiningstar.net               |
     |                       |    |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Sunrise Door Software  |D   |Al Lawerence                           |
     |                       |    |al@sunrisedoors.com                    |
     |                       |    |(404)256-9518                          |
     |                       |    |http://www.sunrisedoors.com/           |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The Brainex System     |D   |info@brainex.com                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Trade Wars Door Game   |D   |jpritch@eisonline.com                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/    |
     |                       |    |1:299/110                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Vagabond Software      |D   |Bryan Turner                           |
     |                       |    |vagabond@darktech.org                  |
     |                       |    |http://vagabond.virtualave.net/        |
     |                       |    |1:124/7013                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FMail Support          |T   |wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org               |
     |                       |    |http://fmail.nl.eu.org/                |
     |                       |    |2:280/1076                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Squish Tosser          |T   |http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Argus RITLABS          |M   |argus@ritlabs.com                      |
     |                       |    |373-2-246889                           |
     |                       |    |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/          |
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 33                  24 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |2:469/84                               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |FrontDoor              |MTPC|Definite Solutions                     |
     |FrontDoor APX          |    |sales@defsol.se                        |
     |Mailer/Point Software  |    |http://www.defsol.se/                  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BeeMail Home Page      |M   |http://beemail.gexonline.net           |
     |                       |    |Stephen Proffit                        |
     |                       |    |1:211/405                              |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkleyTerm XE         |M   |http://btxe.sourceforge.net/           |
     |Frontend Mailer        |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |BinkD                  |MI  |maloff@corbina.net                     |
     |                       |    |http://2f.ru/binkd/                    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidogate               |UIT |Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net                |
     |                       |    |http://www.fidogate.org/               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Fidonet to Internet    |MI  |Bo Bendtsen                            |
     |Mailer                 |    |sales@terminate.com                    |
     |                       |    |http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm  |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |GiGo Software          |UI  |http://www.gigo.com/                   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Internet Rex           |MI  |cruden@cs.ualberta.ca                  |
     |                       |    |http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Tmail                  |I   |http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm   |
     |(Russian /w English DL)|    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransX Multiboard      |M   |support@multiboard.com                 |
     |Communications Inc.    |    |http://www.multiboard.com/software/    |
     |                       |    |transx.html                            |
     |                       |    |1:2401/305                             |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |TransNet               |I   |transnet@ressl.com.ar                  |
     |                       |    |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Watergate              |I   |ramon@sbbs.se                          |
     |                       |    |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/          |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |JetSys-Home of JetMail |TU  |http://www.jetsys.de/                  |
     |JetStat and other Atari|    |                                       |
     |Fidonet utilities      |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |APoint (Author)        |P   |http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm|
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Autho)   |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |CrossPoint             |P   |("Original" version)                   |
     |                       |    |http://www.crosspoint.de               |
     |                       |    |http://www.apoint-mail.de              |
     |                       |    |(OpenXP Projekt)                       |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.com (English)        |
     |                       |    |http://www.openxp.de (German)          |
     |                       |    |CrossPoint (XP2 Team)                  |
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 34                  24 Dec 2001


     |                       |    |http://www.xp2.de                      |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |WinPoint95             |P   |http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english    |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |The OpenXP CrossPoint  |P   |http://www.happyarts.de/xp             |
     |Projekt                |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |Terminate Terminal     |P   |http://www.terminate.com               |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     |PPoint-FTS compatible  |P   |http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm         |
     |E-Mail System          |    |                                       |
     |-----------------------|----|---------------------------------------|
     \====================================================================/

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 35                  24 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
                    [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]
     =================================================================


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     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
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       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
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       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 36                  24 Dec 2001


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                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
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        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
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        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
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     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 37                  24 Dec 2001


                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-52               Page 38                  24 Dec 2001


     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
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      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

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     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
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