      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 05             29 Jan 2001
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     |  The newsletter of the     |   ISSN 1198-4589 Published by:        |
     |    FidoNet community       |   "FidoNews"                          |
     |          _                 |   1-714-639-0377     1:1/23           |
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     |        /|oo \              |   BinkD supported both above          |
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     |        _`@/_ \    _        |                                       |
     |       |     | \   \\       |   Editor: Warren Bonner               |
     |       | (*) |  \   ))      |           editor@fidonews.org         |
     |       |__U__| /  \//       |           wdbonner@pacbell.net        |
     |        _//|| _\   /        |                                       |
     |       (_/(_|(____/         |                                       |
     |             (jm)           |   Newspapers should have no friends.  |
     |                            |                    -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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                        Table of Contents
     1. HEADLINE  .................................................  1
        >>>>>Header Fido 18 X 5<<<<<  .............................  1
     2. CHAT WITH THE EDITOR  .....................................  2
     3. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  7
        -=-=GUEST EDITORIAL=-=-  ..................................  7
     4. LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK  .........................  9
        >>>LETTERS to the EDITOR<<<  ..............................  9
     5. OL'WDB'S COLUMN  .......................................... 13
        <<< Ol'WDB's Column >>>  .................................. 13
     6. TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET  .................................. 14
        *****Life's Reflections*****  ............................. 14
     7. RECIPES  .................................................. 16
        -=+Great Recipes+=-  ...................................... 16
     8. GETTING TECHNICAL  ........................................ 17
        ***GETTING TECHNICAL***  .................................. 17
     9. HUMOR  .................................................... 21
        ........................................................... 21
     10. QUESTION OF THE WEEK  .................................... 24
        +++Question of the Week+++  ............................... 24
     11. ANSWERS OF THE WEEK  ..................................... 26
        >>>>>ANSWERS<<<<<  ........................................ 26
     12. NOTICES  ................................................. 27
        -=-=-NOTICE-=-=-  ......................................... 27
     13. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 28
     14. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 33
        ***FIDONEWS INFORMATION***  ............................... 33
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                                 HEADLINE
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            Extra, Extra, Editor seeking dual language articles!!!


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                           CHAT WITH THE EDITOR
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                   *Chatting with the Editor*

     Subject: FidoNet In South America. Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:02:40
     From: "David Gonzalez" <davegh@tutopia.com>
     To:<editor@fidonews.org>

     Hi

     I want to submit my article about the topic of being on an area where
     FidoNet and BBSing is not very common and how can us sysops make our
     systems more attractive to people.

     Hi!

     I'm sort of a re-new sysop can I call it because I had my BBS some
     years ago but a crash on my Hard Disk made me quit, it but now I'm
     back on track, but when I restarted it surprised me the way things are
     being done now. Telnet, Email, WebBBS, humm two years out and you're a
     dumb oldie.

     What I want to say is that here in Colombia as you may see on you fido
     Nodelist (4:93/0, 4:930/0, 1) I'm the only SysOp around and even
     though people is very unfamiliar with this kind of systems. they do
     not know what TELNET or a BBS is unless they're studying computers or
     Network management.

     When I started my BBS in early 1995, Fido in South America was almost
     dead and now it's even more, we don't even appear on www.fidonet.org
     home page, what's going on?. When I asked for my node number I was
     very enthusiastic about this and users were a few but they were
     interested and called my system frequently.

     Where I want to get with this is to make you think or better make US
     think about how to keep our network from being left apart or letting
     it die. it's true that Internet stole many of our users and has lots
     more of stuff you know Pictures, Fancy graphics, those millions of
     programs, you know I personally used 1 to get my BBS software and more
     but I still think a BBS is a more personal way to interact with people
     and and there are many features that we can make available at our
     systems and as Internet is so useful, let's get it to work for us, we
     can make our systems available at a web page with that nasty JAVA plug
     in (I haven't been able to do so yet, any help?) and many more
     features that we can use as links to our systems, and more.

     Please make this thoughts available to all of your users and yourself
     think about this and give us sysops ideas on how to keep our beloved
     network alive.

     I expect all your comments at the FIDONEWS Echo or:

     Please feel free to contact and me and _DO_ so, via e-mail at
     davegh@tutopia.com or sysop@skynetbbs.8m.com or net mail to 4:930/1
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     Or, Telnet at telnet://skynetbbs.thebbs.org and also don't forget to
     visit my web page at http://skynetbbs.8m.com (soon in English).

     David Gonzalez SysOp at SkyNet BBS 4:930/1 Bogota, Colombia.

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        I apologize for losing the author's name of this submission.
               (I could not find it in echo, net or email.)

     Here in the north country, mOOse have been loyally posting to FiDoeNet
     for many years now, despite being swamped with work running a
     profitable Moose Factory or important businesses like Bullmoose Mines
     or Moose Jaw Times.

     Why?

     Perhaps it's because FiDoe has always been friendly to four-legged
     critters.

     It is with horrour then that followers of the loyal order of mOOse
     open a dog-eared copy of the recent FidoeNews 18:3 to find none less
     than one of our illustrious FiDoe RC's promoting her recipe for four
     pounds of roast venison - Canadian elk, moose or deer.

     Like, take off, eh? The typical mOOse would much rather be safely home
     in Moose Creek with a comfortable pair of antler warmers and a case of
     cold Moosehead Beer than find themselves on someone's dinner table.

     At least there's refuge for mOOse who would rather migrate northward
     than become Carol's supper: MOOSECHAT, a Canadian humour echo for
     noble mOOse!

     MOOSECHAT is dedicated to equality for mOOse everywhere, including
     chocolate mOOse, as well as liberty and justice for all.

     MOOSECHAT is a shining beacon of freedom for mOOse everywhere, as well
     as a handy way to contact key world leaders like Vlad-on-Mir Poutine
     from Russia, Jean Cretin from the Great White North eh?, Saddam Insane
     from Iraq and Chad from Florida. It gives mOOse time away from the rat
     race.

     It also provides valuable moose-related investment info from
     organizations like Moose River Gold Mines, Elk Resources and John
     Deere as well as sports coverage of key Senators players like Alexi
     Ya$hin and Hillary Clinton.

     In short, it allows the Canadian mOOse to, like, gronk farther and
     louder.

     Beauty, eh?

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     From: "Kay Shapero"
     To: "Warren Bonner"
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     Subject: Re: HTML?
     Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:33 PM

     WB> Hi K!
     My personal feelings exactly:  I do not intend to stop posting in
     Fidonews, I do not intend to stop the ASCII newsletter.  I don't know
     why you thought that.

     KS> Because that's what the question sounded like.

     WB> I am responding as editor to questions from sysops who want to
     have access to improved versions that make use of their computers and
     their abilities, and other languages with translation in English.

     KS> HTML isn't really an "improved version"; it merely makes a "pretty
     version" which isn't quite the same thing.  The easiest solution to
     this is to have a fidonews website, where you can read and download
     the httml version, maybe a pdf version as well, and the ascii version,
     along with archives of earlier issues.  I might add if you're doing
     html I recommend writing your own in a text editor - most html editors
     are better than the hideously bloated Word for Windows html option,
     but I've yet to find one I care for.

     Meanwhile I'm all for other languages being involved, with
     translations. One of the biggests nuisances about the Snooze is the
     way almost nothing comes in from any zone but 1 and sometimes 2.  3 we
     rarely hear from, 4 I find myself wondering if it still  EXISTS,
     similar for 5 and 6.  Finding a way to translate this thing into other
     languages might well stimulate submissions from people using same.

     Theoretically this thing should append my sig with my site address,
     but just in case it doesn't, I've got a site at
     http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/index.htm, with the net 102 site
     at http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm

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     By: Jim White
     To: Warren Bonner
     Re: FidoNews 18:3 [00/03] Ed
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     I hope Ann doesn't mind if I piggyback my reply on hers, but we seem
     to think somewhat alike.

     FR> When are we going to take the giant step from ASCII only, to HTML?

      AP> I hope that it will be NEVER if it means giving up ASCII.  I
      AP> am using a circa 1993 PC (486/33 with a slow modem) using WIN
      AP> 3.1 and DOS 6.22 and do not have web access.

     JW> Agreed.  I was still reading on a 386, until I lost my BBS.  I'm a
     point for now, but looking forward to becoming a private node, and
     going back to the 386 and WIN3.1   This works well, but I miss my
     BlueWave.

     FR>>>     Should the weekly fidonews be a BI-Monthly newsletter?

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      AP> No, it shouldn't.  Even on a weekly basis, some of the news
      AP> or opinion pieces are stale when published.

     JW> No, if it becomes bi-weekly, it will only get larger.  I think the
     size is fine as it is.

     FR>    Should it be alternately ASCII and HTML?  Or ASCII weekly, HTML
     monthly?

      AP> No, it shouldn't.  People who can only read ASCII will miss
      AP> half of every year's issues.

     JW> Well said, but if someone wanted to put it on a web site for the
     HTML desirees, it woudl be fine with me.  Just don't mess with my
     ASCII.

     FR>>  Should all sysops have the choice of which edition and format?

      AP> No.  All issues should be in ASCII and those sysops who want
      AP> to offer it to their users in HTML should convert it to that
      AP> format themselves.

     JW> Amen

      AP>                                         Anne Page

      AP>                                    An everyday BBS user
      AP>                                    and Echo co-moderator

     JW> same here

     Jim White  Co-Moderator of MEMORIES

      Origin:  My point is... (1:3613/1275.4)

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     By: Warren Bonner
     To: Anne Page
     Re: FidoNews 18:3 [00/03] Ed
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     AP> Thank you for using what I posted here in the issue of Fidonews
     for which you had asked that I expand it into an article.  I didn't
     see your post until after your deadline and knew I couldn't comply.

     AP> It was a pleasant surprise to find my answers to the questions
     when I started reading that issue of Fidonews!

     WB><Chuckle> Sure good to get a pat on the back, Anne!  Thanks. Some
     rodomontade respondents are not so generous toward the R10C, the NC's,
     or the FidoNews editor. We decline to sink to his level replying in
     kind.  So again, thanks for the kind words.

     Ol'wdb

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                              GUEST EDITORIAL
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                            By: Michael Grant

     To: Warren Bonner
     Re: Re: FidoNews 18:3 [00/03] Editorial
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     FR> When are we going to take the giant step from ASCII only, to HTML?

     MG> NEVER do away with ASCII.

     ED> Guess I should have said,"to HTML a-l-s-o".  I never meant to drop
     ASCII; only give an option for those with better software for handling
     photos and fonts a little more information.

     FR> When are we going to branch out to two publications, one for ASCII
     FR> and one for HTML.?

     MG> Don't we already have that? Isn't that what www.fidonews.org is
     all about? If you want, dress up the website a little, God knows it
     could use it. Make the HTML display of the Fidonews a little nicer,
     but don't change the basic ASCII format.

     MG> I also think that the Fidonet websites that /do/ exist are not
     maintained and promoted nearly enough on the Internet. We need some
     committed individuals to do the legwork necessary to ensure there are
     valid links between Fidonet related websites and Fidonet BBSes on the
     internet, along with proper submissions to search engines. It should
     be so that when someone types in "fidonet" in a search engine, a whole
     slew of Fidonet-related websites would appear. That is just not
     happening these days.

     FR> Should the weekly fidonews be a BI-Monthly newsletter?

     MG> No. When things are slow, there doesn't seem like there's much
     news, but when something big happens, a bi-monthly publication would
     contain old news about the incident by the time it came out.

     FR> Should it be alternately ASCII and HTML?  Or ASCII weekly, HTML
     monthly?

     MG> No, no and no! The ASCII format should remain unchanged as the
     main Fidonews distribution, and the distribution of it should remain
     as is. HTML should only be available from www.fidonews.org, for those
     who want it, or perhaps the HTML versions could be distributed on
     request via an e-mail mailing list.

     FR> Should all sysops have the choice of which edition and format?

     MG> As far as I'm concerned, we already do.

     ED> You aren't ALL sysops.  Others feel differently.

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     FR> Editor would like feedback on these questions for next issue. FR>
     Send replies to address 1:1/23 or wdbonner@pacbell.net please. FR> We
     need your input to make the Fidonews all it can be to all folks FR> in
     fidoland.

     MG> I think it's better to reply here, in public.

     ED> Absolutely.  That is the reason for this questionnaire in public
     Fidonews echo, and represented in the publication.  I thank you and
     all others that participated on this issue.  It is pretty clear that
     folks with older machines without gigabyte hard drives want NO change.
     And I promise as long as I am the editor, ASCII will be the first
     format/protocol.

     ED> Your and Anne Page's suggestions on the web page downloads for
     those that would like a spicier version are good ideas, and only by
     our talking about it can others see the merits of FidoNews in other
     formats to attract more and more Internet users back to Fido.

     Thanks again Michael, ED.

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                     LETTERS ACROSS THE EDITOR'S DESK
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     By: Janis Kracht
     To: Frank Robbins
     Re: HeadsUp - FidoNet.Org DNS Expires 26-Feb-2001
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hi Frank,

     I got a hold of George and he so kindly forwarded this to me :)
     From: thedotcompeople@netsol.com
     To: george@paonline.com
     Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 4:56 PM
     Subject: Confirmation of fidonet.org renewal order

     Dear Customer, Congratulations! Your Web address (domain name) is
     renewed for an extended period. We will be processing your order
     within the next 24-48 hours. Renewal of your domain name is effective
     when your current registration period expires.

     Here is a summary of your order:
     * Domain Name*:  fidonet.org
     * Total:  $35.00
     Take care,
     Janis

     FR> Hi Janis.

     FR> Did anyone tell you that you do good work?

     JK> Thanks, I appeciate the comment <smile>.  I agree with you that
     this could be a little unsettling for those in Zone 1 until we knew it
     was taken care of.

     FR> Thanks for your effort as always.

     JK> Most welcome,
     Janis

     BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag-2
     * Origin: Prism bbs (1:2320/38)

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     By: Lee Ayrton
     To: Philip Lozier
     Re: Points
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hello Philip!

     PL> * In a message originally to Jim White, Lee Ayrton said:

     LA>> This brings up something I've been mulling for a while.  Perhaps
     it is time to give the franchise to points.  with the demise of BBSing
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     there's little reason for most of us to maintain full-time uptime.
     Make points full members, allow more participation.

     PL> This is something that over the past few weeks has crossed my mind
     as well.

     LA> On my part, it was part of a grander scheme that I'm still
     coddling. The half-baked version is below.

     PL> For all intents and purposes, a point that feeds over any kind of
     internet method of distribution is of no difference than an ION node
     when you look at it... and having a BBS was never a requirement to be
     a FidoNet node.

     LA> I still do things dial-up, from a DOS machine, so I don't know if
     what I'm mulling is already in use.  Roughly, I'm thinking that we
     need software that, to an end user, will work like their favorite
     browser -- fire it up and it goes to his/her ISP, links to an ION hub,
     exchanges mail (net and echos), logs off and tosses the mail up onto
     the local screen.  FidoNews and nodediffs would be background
     processes, unseen by the casual user.

     Points are subject to the same rules as nodes, so the problems that
     folks feared about linking the echos to the chaos of Usenet is
     side-stepped.  Become a nusance and your number gets yanked.

     This does several things: It gives us many more potential members, it
     puts Fido where the users are, it doesn't break the nodelist or create
     a seperate Fido system, so we've got backwards compatability.

     Traditional, low-tech nodes won't try to dial up an ION point, the
     node would automagically know to send it to the bossnode.  Bossnodes
     would be the firewall against spam and would be responsible for
     quickly cancelling any malignant points, making Fido attractive to
     ordinary humans as a "cleaner" source of mail.  ISPs would view it as
     another mailing list, one that they wouldn't have to store their
     user's mail for (Space would be a problem for the bossnodes, though.
     Dunno how to address that).  And we could add bells-n-whistles to the
     ION side, graphics, what have you.  They would be filtered out at the
     gateways leaving clean ANSI texts.

     But the really, really important thing is putting Fido where the
     people are.  They aren't dialing up BBSi ever again, so we can just
     lock that fantasy away in our toyboxes.  Private mailing lists exist
     all over the Internet, we could promote this is a meta-mailing list.

     Of course, this is just noodling.  I'm not a programmer, I don't know
     how to write such stuff.  But some people in FidoLand _do_ and we can
     stand around wringing our hands, or try to pretty Fido up, or we can
     actually do something -- if we still have the critical mass of
     tech-savvy folks needed.

     Regards, Lee

      * Origin: OPUS CBCS v1.79 LIVES! (1:320/455)

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     By: Frank Vest
     To: Lee Ayrton
     Re: Points
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     Hello Lee,


     LA> I still do things dial-up, from a DOS machine, so I don't know if
     what I'm mulling is already in use.  Roughly, I'm thinking that we
     need software that, to an end user, will work like their favorite
     browser -- fire it up and it goes to his/her ISP, links to an ION hub,
     exchanges mail (net and echos), logs off and tosses the mail up onto
     the local screen.  FidoNews and nodediffs would be background
     processes, unseen by the casual user.

     FV> Ok, I'm gonna take a stab at this. Please forgive me if I'm off
     the deep end here. :)

     Some of what you are wanting is already being done in some ways. There
     is a program called "Internet Rex" (IRex) that will transfer Fidonet
     mail via the Internet E-Mail. One can feed a Node, Point, Hub, Net or
     ??? in this manner. IRex will do the mail runs via E-Mail and the
     Point package will do the tossing and such.

     I'm not a guru on this, but I will tell you this much... I run Dos
     with Desqview on a 486 and I feed a Net in my area via Irex on this
     Dos machine. Once I get Irex registered, I'll be able to feed up to
     1000 systems (Nodes, points, Nets or ??). I gather newsgroups via the
     Internet and gate them to my BBS and any systems under me that want
     them via IRex. I can gate E-Mail to and from the Internet via IRex and
     much more.

     Some of what you are wanting can be done now. It would be a matter of
     putting together a package that is pre-setup with the programs, batch
     files and whatever is needed in it. The user plugs it in and goes.


     I'm probably off base here, but is this close to what you are
     wanting??


     Regards,

      Frank

     http://texoma.net/~flv http://bise.tzo.com/r19

     --- PPoint 3.01 * Origin: Holy Cow! I'm A Point!! (1:124/6308.1)

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     By: Philip Lozier
     To: Lee Ayrton
     Re: Points
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     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     * In a message originally to Philip Lozier, Lee Ayrton said:

     LA> I still do things dial-up, from a DOS machine, so I don't know if
     what I'm mulling is already in use.  Roughly, I'm thinking that we
     need software that, to an end user, will work like their favorite
     browser -- fire it up and it goes to his/her ISP, links to an ION hub,
     exchanges mail (net and echos), logs off and tosses the mail up onto
     the local screen.  FidoNews and nodediffs would be background
     processes, unseen by the casual user.

     PL>Amazing...  this is quite close to what has been floating around in
     my brain... not being a programmer in any shape or form however, seems
     all I can do is think about it...

     LA> But the really, really important thing is putting Fido where the
     people are.  They aren't dialing up BBSi ever again, so we can just
     lock that fantasy away in our toyboxes.  Private mailing lists exist
     all over the Internet, we could promote this is a meta-mailing list.

     PL> I agree that Fido needs to be brought where the people are, but
     totaly disagree that people will never BBS again.  Even if it's just a
     small circle of folks still calling various dial-up boards in their
     areas, people still are calling... it is the "lazy SysOp" who will
     have no users, not BBSs as a whole... there are also quite a few
     telnet boards that brag high usage, and even a "PAY for access" telnet
     system (not in FidoNet) that is based in my local area that has no
     less than 10 to 12 people online at any given time, 24 hours a day. Go
     figure that one out.

     PL> I feel that making FidoNet available in a neet package to those
     NOT interested in BBS themselves however would be a fantastic breath
     of life... I have seen a couple of point packages out there that with
     a little modification would be ideal for this purpose.

     PL> Maybe some programming genius will stumble across this idea we've
     tossed around and make it a working reality :)

     * Origin: AFcom BBS! http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/afcombbs (1:267/169)

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                              OL'WDB'S COLUMN
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     From: "Bob Crowninshield" <mutha@capeonramp.com>
     To: "wdbonner@pacbell.net"
     Subject: Tradigy

     George Bush is visiting an elementary school today and he visits one
     of the classes (4th grade I believe). They are in the middle of a
     discussion related to words and their meanings.

     The teacher asks Mr. Bush if he would like to lead the class in the
     discussion of the word, "tragedy."

     So our illustrious leader asks the class for an example of a
     "tragedy."

     One little boy stands up and offers, "If my best friend, who lives
     next  door,  is playing in the street and a car comes along and runs
     him over, that  would be a tragedy."

     "No," says Bush, "that would be an accident."

     A little girl raises her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children
     drove off a cliff, killing everyone involved, that would be a
     tragedy."

     "I'm afraid not," explains Mr. Bush . "That's what we would call a
     GREAT LOSS.

     The room goes silent. No other children volunteer. Mr. Bush  searches
     the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give me an example of a
     tragedy?"

     Finally, way in the back of the room, Li'l Johnny raises his hand. In
     a quiet voice he says, "If Air Force One, carrying Mr. & Mrs. Bush,
     was struck  by a missile and blown up to smithereens, that would be a
     tragedy.

     "Fantastic," exclaims Bush, "that's right. Can you tell me WHY that
     would  be a tragedy?"

     "Well," Li'l Johnny replies, "because it wouldn't be an accident, and
     it certainly would be no great loss."

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                          TRUE STORIES OF FIDONET
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     1. Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin
     unprotected.

     2. I'm not into working out. My philosophy is no pain, no pain.

     3. I'm in shape. Round is a shape.

     4. I'm desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze pilots wore
     helmets.

     5. Do you think illiterate people get the full affect of alphabet
     soup?

     6. I've always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more
     specific.

     7. Ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at you, but
     when you take him in a car he sticks his head out the window?

     8. Ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but
     anyone going faster than you is a maniac?

     9. You have to stay in shape. My mother started walking five miles a
     day when she was 60. She's 97 now and we have no idea where she is.

     10. I have six locks on my door, all in a row. When I go out, I lock
     every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there
     picking the locks, they are always locking three of them.

     11. One out of every three Americans is suffering from some form of
     mental illness. Think of two of your best friends. If they are OK,
     then it must be you.

     12. They show you how detergent takes out bloodstains. I think if
     you've got a tee shirt with bloodstains all over it, maybe your
     laundry isn't your biggest problem.

     13. Ask people why they have deer heads on their walls and they tell
     you it's because they're such beautiful animals. I think my wife is
     beautiful, but I only have photographs of her on the walls.

     14. A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and
     said, "Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said, "I
     didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too."

     15. Future historians will be able to study at the Jimmy Carter
     Library, the Gerald Ford Library, the Ronald Reagan Library, and the
     Bill Clinton Adult Bookstore.
                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     Subject: Longevity:
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 15                  29 Jan 2001


     Humans are the longest-lived mammals and giant tortoises are the
     longest-lived reptiles, sometimes living as long as 150 years.  Among
     birds, the record is held by turkey buzzards at 118 years.  But
     thick-shelled ocean clams called quahogs hold the top longevity
     record among all animals.  These slow-moving mollusks can live more
     than 200 years.

     Quahogs are burrowing clams that feed on microscopic life they strain
     from the water.  They use their fleshy foot to pull themselves under
     the mud, then extend two long tubes up into the water.

     Native to the North Atlantic Ocean, quahogs are in great demand as
     food for people, and as a result, those found near shore seldom live
     longer than 10 or 20 years.  Like many other North Atlantic life
     forms, populations of quahogs have been reduced greatly in some areas
     due to overcollecting.

     Quahogs can be made into very good clam chowder:

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~


     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 16                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                                  RECIPES
     =================================================================

                            OVEN-FRIED CATFISH


      Qty   Measurement         Ingredient
     ___--  ------------------  --------------------------------------
     2-1/2  cups                milk
         1                      egg white
         3  dashes              Tabasco sauce
         2  dashes              low-sodium soy sauce
       1/2  tsp                 cayenne pepper
       1/2  tsp                 white pepper
       1/4  tsp                 sage
       1/4  tsp                 thyme
       1/4  tsp                 marjoram
         1                      onion, sliced into rings
         3                      catfish fillets
     2-1/2   cups               cornmeal
                                red pepper (to taste)
                                white pepper (to taste)
         6  slices, paper-thin  lemon


       In a bowl, combine the milk, egg white, tabasco sauce, soy
     sauce, cayenne pepper, white pepper, sage, thyme, majoram, and
     the onion rings.  Add the catfish fillets and refrigerate for
     2 hours.

       In a shallow dish, combine the cornmeal with salt and peppers,
     to taste.

       Preheat the oven to 400 degrees F.

       Remove the fillets from the milk mixture and dip into the
     seasoned cornmeal.  Shake off the excess cornmeal.

       On a non-stick platter, place the coated fillets.  Dip the
     onion rings first in the milk mixture and then in the cornmeal.
     Place the onion rings on top of fish.

       Bake in the fish and onion rings in the preheated 400 degree F.
     for 10 minutes.  Turn the fish over and place a couple paper-thin
     slices of lemon on each fillet.  Bake for 10 to 15 minutes
     longer.  Remove and serve.


     Recipe from:  "Roger's Cajun Cookbook" by Vernon Roger, published
                      1987


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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 17                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                             GETTING TECHNICAL
     =================================================================


     By: Carol Shenkenberger
     To: Warren Bonner
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------

     Errorlevel Method- FD 2.12 and below only                      15AUG98
     Adapted for Fidonews, 18Jan 2001

     Hello!  For those of you using FD2.12 and below, this method may be
     easier to start with. It's basically one big batch file and you dont
     have to pass off to other batch files.

     1.  Go into FD config, and make sure you have assigned a number to
     each baud rate connecting to your system.  Use the same numbers I have
     below in the 'frodo.bat' file if you wish or swap them to others and
     match them in the 'frodo.bat' file to the new ones.  It will be easier
     and safe to use the ones I post.

     2.  Add the following to your 'frodo.bat' file or just replace your
     old one with this example then add in what you need for your setup.

     ;---- begin FRODO.BAT----
     @Echo off
     c:
     cd \fd
     :Start

        Cd\fd
     fd
        If ERRORLEVEL 253 Goto Mail_Out
        If ERRORLEVEL 252 Goto Make_Node
        If ERRORLEVEL 200 Goto FB100
        If ERRORLEVEL 046 Goto 2880_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 045 Goto 2640_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 044 Goto 24000_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 043 Goto 2160_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 042 Goto 1920_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 041 Goto 1680_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 040 Goto 1440_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 039 Goto 12_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 038 Goto 9600_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 037 Goto 7200_baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 036 Goto 4800_baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 035 Goto 2400_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 034 Goto 1275_baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 033 Goto 1200_Baud
        If ERRORLEVEL 032 Goto 300_Baud

     Goto end

     :Mail_Out     ; Gecho 1.11+ specific, adapt as needed!
     c:            ; other examples for other tossers later in
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 18                  29 Jan 2001


     cd c:\fd      ; FAQ
     AT H1 1
     GEcho toss -NOMGR
     GEcho scan
     GEcho MGR
     MBUTIL pack -renumber -link -purge
     Goto Start

     :Make_Node
     If Exist c:\fd\file\nodediff.* Goto Node_Here
     Goto Start

     :Node_Here
     Copy c:\fd\file\nodediff.* c:\fd\nodelist
     cd c:\fd\nodelist
     editnl
     cd c:\fd
     fdnc /f
     Goto Start

     :FB100        ;external event in FD to do 'stuff' as needed
     CD \tg\FFS    ;for online games and other items needed nightly
     FISHMANT      ; specific to FFS online game
     CD \FD
     mbutil pack -renumber -link -purge
     cd \tg
     INDEX SORT ALL      ;TG Maintenance
     INDEX BUILD ALL     ;TG Maintenance
     cd \fd
     call tickout.bat    ;Tosses filebone. See FAQ #3 for example of it
     Goto Start

     :2880_baud       ;here begins the connection sequence
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b28800 -q
     Goto Mail_test

     :2640_baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b26400 -q
     Goto Mail_test

     :24000_baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b24000 -q
     Goto Mail_test

     :2160_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b21600 -q
     Goto Mail_test

     :1920_Baud
     cd \tg
     telegard -b19200 -q
     Goto Mail_Test
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 19                  29 Jan 2001


     :1680_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b16800 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :1440_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b14400 -q
     goto mail_test

     :12_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b12000 -q
     Goto Mail_test

     :9600_Baud
     cd \tg
     telegard -b9600 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :7200_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b7200 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :4800_baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b4800 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :2400_Baud
     cd \tg
     telegard -b2400 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :1275_Baud
     cd \tg
     Telegard -b1275 -q
     Goto mail_test

     :1200_Baud
     cd \tg
     telegard -b1200 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :300_Baud
     cd \tg
     telegard -b300 -q
     Goto Mail_Test

     :Mail_Test
     If NOT Exist c:\TG\ECHOMAIL.TG# goto Start
     del c:\TG\ECHOMAIL.TG#
     Goto Mail_Out
     ; note TG# means TGJ for Jam or TGS for Squish

     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 20                  29 Jan 2001


     :End
     ---end FRODO.BAT----

     Now that was a big 'frodo.bat' file!

     For informational purposes, here is a rundown of some of the lines you
     may not be familiar with:

     AT H1 1 -  This is a common software which is called AT.COM and
     manipulates your modem.  In this case, it is taking a modem on Com1,
     offline.  Depending on your modem brand, you may not need an extra
     utility to do this.  Both FD and TG have the capability of taking the
     modem offline for you.  It is there only for assistance of those
     sysops who's modems wont stay offline with FD's codes.

     EDITNL - This is one of the many nodediff merging softwares on the
     market. Depending on your version, the addition of the /KILL switch,
     will also delete the old nodediffs.  It was included only as an
     example, and you should use whatever you find at a local dial. Mergenl
     is widely available and does the same thing.

     MBUTIL - Gecho specific packer for message bases.  See the 3rd FAQ for
     other examples of tossing/packing sequences you may use for your
     needs.

     End part 2.
                                      xxcarol
                                      TGbeta Norfolk

      Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~


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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 21                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                                   HUMOR
     =================================================================

     From: <NASCARis50@aol.com>
     To: <editor@fidonews.org>
     Subject: lololol

     I guess my day has started off just great compared to this guy!!!
     =============8<--------------------------

     The Druggist Upon arriving home, a husband was met at the door by his
     sobbing wife.  Tearfully she explained, "It's the druggist.  He
     insulted me terribly this morning on the phone." Immediately the
     husband drove downtown to confront the druggist and demand an apology.

     Before he could say more than a word or two, the druggist told him,
     "Now, just a minute, listen to my side of it.  This morning the alarm
     failed to go off, so I was late getting up.

     I went without breakfast and hurried out to the car, just to realize
     that I locked the house with both house and car keys inside.  I had to
     break a window to get my keys.  Then, driving a little too fast, I got
     a speeding ticket.

     Later, when I was about three blocks from the store, I had a flat
     tire.  When I finally got to the store there was a bunch of people
     waiting for me to open up.  I got the store opened and started waiting
     on these people, and all the time the darn phone was ringing off the
     hook."

     He continued, "Then I had to break a roll of nickels against the cash
     register drawer to make change, and they spilled all over the floor.
     I got down on my hands and knees to pick up the nickels; the phone was
     still ringing.

     When I came up I cracked my head on the open cash drawer, which made
     me stagger back against a showcase with a bunch of perfume bottles on
     it...half of them hit the floor and broke.  Meanwhile, the phone is
     still ringing with no let up, and I finally got back to answer it.

     It was your wife.  She wanted to know how to use a rectal
     thermometer...and believe me, Mister, I told her!"

                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     From: "cfarris" <cfarris@wavex.com>
     To:"Warren Bonner" <WDBonner@pacbell.net>

     Everything I need to know, I learned from Noah's Ark:

     One:   Don't miss the boat. <remember Iberian plane ride to USA> 8^))

     Two:   Remember that we are all in the same boat. <But some on bridge>

     Three:   Plan ahead.  It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 22                  29 Jan 2001


     Four:   Stay fit. When you're 600 years old, someone may ask you to do
     something really big.

     Five:   Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs
     to be done.

     Six:   Build your future on high ground.

     Seven:  For safety's sake, travel in pairs.

     Eight:   Speed isn't always an advantage.  The snailswere on board
     with the cheetahs.

     Nine:   When you're stressed, float a while.

     Ten:    Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by
     professionals.

     Eleven:  No matter the storm, there's always a rainbow waiting.

     Twelve: The Ark had no Windows!  Only a POOP deck w/rainwater.

     Author Unkown

                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     A young boy came to Sunday School late. His teacher knew
     that he was usually very prompt and asked him if anything
     was wrong.

     The boy replied no, that he was going fishing but his dad
     told him that he needed to go to church. The teacher was
     very impressed and asked the boy if his dad had explained
     to him why it was more important to go to church than to go
     fishing.

     To which the boy replied, "Yes he did, Dad said he didn't
     have enough bait for both of us.

                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     A distraught man went to a psychiatrist and exclaimed,
     "Doctor, I believe that I am possessed by an evil spirit."

     After talking to the patient at some length, the psychiatrist
     said, "You do appear to have a problem.  I'd like to see you
     again next Wednesday."

     After a second session of psychotherapy, the pyschiatrist
     pronounced his patient completely cured.

     For the next nine months, the psychiatrist sent the man a
     monthly statement for his professional services, but the
     man wouldn't pay and refused to acknowledge the debt.

     Finally, the psychiatrist took the man to court and had
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 23                  29 Jan 2001


     him repossessed.

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     Two blonds decided to go into business together, so they
     pooled their money and bought a store in a nearby town.

     One blond moved into an apartment above the store. Her
     partner bought a house just outside of town.

     One night the blond outside of town couldn't sleep. Finally,
     she called his partner and asked her to look out the window
     to see if they had remembered to turn off the store's
     flashing neon sign.

     The blond looked out the window and said, "Yeah we
     did, no we didn't, yeah we did, no we didn't..."

                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 24                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                           QUESTION OF THE WEEK
     =================================================================


     By: Frank Robbins
     To: Warren Bonner
     Re: HeadsUp - FidoNet.Org DNS Expires 26-Feb-2001
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hello Warren.

     Has anyone discussed the fact that the domain name for FidoNet.Org
     expires within the month of February 2001?

     The current "who is" states:
     ============================
     01/23/01 23:00:11 whois fidonet.org

     Query:     fidonet.org
     Registry:  whois.networksolutions.com Results:


     Registrant:
     FidoNet Public Relations (FIDONET-DOM)
        c/o Pennsylvania Online PO Box 6501
        Harrisburg, PA 17112
        US

        Domain Name: FIDONET.ORG

        Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
           Peace, George  (GP11)  george@PAONLINE.COM
           Pennsylvania Online
           PO Box 6501
           Harrisburg, PA 17112
           (717) 657-0000 (FAX) (717) 657-0132

        Record last updated on 03-May-2000.
        Record expires on 26-Feb-2001.
        Record created on 25-Feb-1988.

        Domain servers in listed order:

        DNS1.PAONLINE.COM  216.220.160.7
        DNS2.PAONLINE.COM  216.220.160.8
     ====================================================================

     I was curious is someone is going to renew the domain name of
     FIDONET.ORG again before it is stolen away from the FidoNet when it
     expires?

     Once the domain name is stolen, it would be very difficult to get it
     back into FidoNet without paying some large fee to the new DNS holder!

     Here are a few domain names which use fidonet:
     ==============================================
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 25                  29 Jan 2001


     01. http://asterisk.fidonet.lt
     02. http://fidonet.fidonet.org
     03. http://www.fidonet-deutschland.de
     04. http://www.fidonet-revival.de
     05. http://www.fidonet.ch
     06. http://www.fidonet.co.uk
     07. http://www.fidonet.da.ru
     08. http://www.fidonet.fi
     09. http://www.fidonet.gr
     10. http://www.fidonet.it
     11. http://www.fidonet.kazan.ru
     12. http://www.fidonet.kherson.ua
     13. http://www.fidonet.lg.ua
     14. http://www.fidonet.lt
     15. http://www.fidonet.net
     16. http://www.fidonet.nu
     17. http://www.fidonet.org
     18. http://www.fidonet.org.ar
     19. http://www.fidonet.org.il
     20. http://www.fidonet.org.ph
     21. http://www.fidonet.org.pl
     22. http://www.fidonet.ph
     23. http://www.fidonet.pp.se
     24. http://www.fidonet.rinet.msk.ru
     25. http://www.fidonet.rinet.ru
     26. http://www.fidonet.tatarstan.ru
     27. http://www.fidonet.uz
     28. http://www.fidonetwork.com
     29. http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.net
     30. http://www.rincondefidonet.com
     31. http://www.z3.fidonet.org
     32. http://1609fidonet.virtualave.net
     33. http://fidonet.virtualave.net
     34. http://fidonet.webjump.com

     If someone has some info about this action, it would be nice to know
     that this is no longer a FidoNet crisis waiting to happen.

     Thanks...

     Frank Robbins
      FidoNet (Resources - Support - History) Site
      http://winramturbo.com/fidonet/

     >>>Thanks for the Heads up Frank, the answer to your question is
     in the "ANSWERS" section of this Issue of FidoNews.

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 26                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                            ANSWERS OF THE WEEK
     =================================================================


     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     By: Janis Kracht To: Frank Robbins Re: HeadsUp - FidoNet.Org DNS
     Expires 26-Feb-2001 St:
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hi Frank,

     Don't worry about it Frank.  I will call George today if he isn't
     planning on re-registering the domain name, I will take care of it for
     Fidonet.  Also please realize a few things: the registration is good
     until February 26, and then Network Solutions lets it run a month
     after that before removing the records.

     Take care,
     Janis

                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~


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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 27                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================


     By: Janis Kracht
     To: All
     Re: Nodediffs
     St:
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Hi folks,

     It's been reported to me that two people have had problems with some
     software like XLAXDIFF, and the ARC packaging of the nodediff from my
     system with at least nodediff.a19.  The problem seemed to be related
     to the fact that the name of the interior file was in lower case.  The
     problem was solved by extracting the file manually, renaming
     nodediff.019 to NODEDIFF.019 and rearchiving it.

     If you are having a problem like this with your nodelist processor,
     hopefully nodediff.a26 has been no problem, since I changed the
     filename from lower case to upper case for the ARC version.

     FYI, as David did, I release 3 versions of the nodediff in ARC, ZIP
     and LZH format in the NODEDIFF, DIFFZIP and DIFFLZH file echos,
     respectively. Sorry, there is no version of ARJ for linux at this time
     <smile>.

     If anyone needs to pick up a fresh nodelist, it is available on my
     system in /pub/nodelist at ftp.filegate.net, or file request at
     1:2320/38, magic name NODELIST.

     Take care, Janis

     --- BBBS/LiI v4.01 Flag-2 * Origin: Prism bbs (1:2320/38)



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     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 28                  29 Jan 2001


     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     ------------------------------------------------------
     *Fidonet-related sites

                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update:  December 30, 2000

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
     Echolist:     http://www.baltimoremd.com/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8687/net203index.html
       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector.11.com/net2410/
       Region 12:  http://sparkys.dyndns.org
       Region 13:  http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
         Net 264:  http://www.net264.org/
         Net 275:  http://www.homershut.net/~mahoover/net275/
       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.dallasinet.com/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 29                  29 Jan 2001


       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.
     FIDONEWS 18-05               Page 30                  29 Jan 2001


                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      19/68     | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3407/4     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
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      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

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     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
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