     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 49             03 Dec 2001 
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            Copyright 2001 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ INSIDE ]  ...............................................  2
        The Fidonews At A Glance  .................................  2
     3. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]  .....................................  3
        Fidonet is a BBS Organization  ............................  3
     4. [ GUEST EDITORIAL ]  ......................................  4
        The Soldiers Project  .....................................  4
     5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ......................  7
        Ol'WDB's Column  ..........................................  7
     6. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]  .................................  9
        "Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?"  ..  9
     7. [ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ]  .................................. 10
        From:    Aleksej R. Serdyukov  ............................ 10
        Dear Reverend Visage  ..................................... 10
        From:    Todd Sullivan  ................................... 12
     8. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]  ...................................... 14
        FidoNet logo inquiry  ..................................... 14
     9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  .................................. 16
        The diary of a user  ...................................... 16
     10. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  .................................... 18
        Information on Doug Myers?  ............................... 18
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 19
     11. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............ 21
        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*  ......................... 21
     12. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 27
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 27
     13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 33
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 33
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 34
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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     "I Have a Degree in Liberal Arts - Do You Want Fries With That?"

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                                [ INSIDE ]
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                            The Fidonews At A Glance

     Ed Williams of "The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148)" joins us in the
     "General Articles" with some thoughts about Fidonet and BBS'

     In the "Guest Editorial" section we hear from Ward Dossche with a
     project that, while not exactly Fidonet related, may be of interest to
     some in Fidonet.

     The "Question of the Week" this week comes from Todd Sullivan.

      Aleksej R. Serdyukov provides us his thoughts on last week's
     "Question" and brings to light some of the parts of Policy 4 that he
     feels needs corrected.

      Doc Logger visits us with an answer to last week's "Question".
     Hey, Doc. When you gonna join Fidonet again?? :)

      Todd Sullivan gives us his view on last week's "Question" as well as
     a question that he feels should be asked. Hmmm....

      The "Editor's Corner" received an E-mail asking about the Fidonet
     Logo for a history book being written. Well.. At least Fidonet will go
     down in history somewhere. :)

     Warren Bonner visits us with some thoughts on Bulletin Board,
     Christmas shopping and other things.

      For those of you who knew Doug Myers and might have some information
     about him, you might check the "Special Interest" section for the
     article "Information on Doug Myers?".

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                           [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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                         Fidonet is a BBS Organization
                           Ed Williams golza@home.com


     To: <wdbonner@pacbell.net>
     Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:39 PM
     Subject: Your Fidonews Column

      Hello,

     After reading your column in this week's fidonews, you helped spur
     some thought late last night..

     Here's the thought...
     Fidonet is a BBS organization.  We need users, whether we admit to it
     or not, or indeed everything we do, can be done on the internet.
     Without supporting users!  There is precious little difference between
     each of us and some web pages.

     Supporting users and their interests is what makes us different.

     There is utterly no effort on the part of the masses of Fidonet
     systems to actually put out to the public anything which will
     encourage them to join us, giving us in return something to do other
     than sit back and pick endlessly on each other, and struggle over
     things that if we were busy hammering a decent BBS, supporting new
     users to the  system, we would consider not only mute, but childish.

     I'd like to hear your, (and others), comments on my thought here.
     What you might like to see be done, and so on.  You have my permission
     to use in the Fidonews if you choose.

     Ed Williams
     The Goblin's Reach BBS (1:128/148)

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                            [ GUEST EDITORIAL ]
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                            THE SOLDIERS PROJECT
                                           by Ward Dossche


     Early on the morning of April 8th 1915 private Achille Adhemar
     DELAFONTAINE, born February 4th 1898, conscripted in the 2nd company
     of the 1st regiment "Fusiliers" in 1914 bearing the serial number
     61013 arrived at the Word War I battlefield near Diksmuide in
     Belgium to fight in a war he did not want, whom his fellow soldiers
     did not want and whom the German enemy on the other side of the river
     Ijzer did not want either.

     A few minutes later he was hit by a stray bullet in the no-man's land
     position he occupied. His death did not suit a purpose and became a
     matter of statistics. His unit retreated and left his remains behind.
     They were buried by the Germans in a location described as the
     "railroad bridge near 'Drie Grachten'", his death was mentioned to
     the International Red Cross but his grave's marker was most likely
     destroyed in subsequent artillery duels and he became one of the many
     whom the fortunes of war denied a known grave.

     Achille Ademar DELAFONTAINE was my grandmother's brother and would
     have been my great-uncle had I ever had the fortune of meeting him.

     There have been millions of them belonging to different armies
     fighting each other and while doing so seeking the blessing of the
     same God. However, they have something remarkable else in common: in
     each and every case they were always someone's father, someone's
     brother or someone's child. Lost in the statistics and faded away in
     time but often deeply remembered in the hearts of the loved-ones that
     stayed behind ! their children, their brothers and sisters, their
     father, their mother! In many cases their legacy was passed down the
     generations and even today they are remembered.

     For years until her death in 1979 I've heard my grandmother talk
     about her brother and it was a pain for her there even was no grave
     to go to. Until she passed away she always kept his photograph
     displayed.

     Eventually I started discovering the military cemeteries in Ypres
     Salient, an area very well known in English history as so many died
     there stuck in the mud, shot at,  gunned, bombed, mined, gassed!
     They came from places like Edinburgh, Brighton, New Delhi, Rangoon,
     Marakech, Leopoldville, Kentucky ! they were white, black, yellow and
     brown! They were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, atheist! Many died
     thousands of miles from home for a cause they most likely did not
     understand!

     But they died anyway. Many are remembered by a grave, a lot are not.

     Quite likely one of the most impressive memorials worldwide to
     commemorate soldiers fallen during a war is the Menen Gate in Ypres
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     (Belgium) where some 64.000 names are recorded of British MIA's. When
     they ran out of space to put more names other cemeteries in the
     neighbourhood received walls with panels and more panels. The total
     tally runs into several hundreds of thousand of soldiers missing in
     action in one geographically small area alone. When you reflect upon
     it and remember that everyone of these men was a son, a brother or a
     father then it is very difficult to fathom the human suffering that
     it must have caused.

     The Ypres Memorial is unique though. Ever since in the 1920's
     somewhere local people, out of gratitude for the soldiers who gave
     their lives, started a daily "Last Post" ceremony. The ceremony got
     interrupted during the 2nd World War but resumed after and early
     November 2001 it was performed for the 25.000th time. The local
     firebrigade took it upon them to provide the buglers during all these
     years.

     It is impressive, every evening whatever the weather nor time of the
     year at 8pm traffic comes to a complete stop, people become silent
     and the buglers play the "Last Post". It lasts about 75 seconds but
     echoes in the Arch of the gate and haunts you afterwards.

     Every year on November 11th the 1918 Armistice is remembered by a
     special ceremony with the firefighters band from Devon (U.K.) and a
     bagpipe band from Scotland. I go there every year that evening with
     my children, they don't have to go but insist on coming along ! There
     are no speeches, just one single voice saying these words:

             They shall grow not old,
             as we that are left grow old.
             Age shall not weary them,
             nor the years condemn.
             At the going down of the sun,
             and in the morning
             we will remember them

     The buglers play, poppy-wreaths are laid down! Poppys everywhere,
     paper ones, real ones and John McCrae's epic poem "In Flander's
     Fields" comes a bit to life. The bagpipes play a solemn hymn and the
     ceremony is terminated with a rendition of "God Save the Queen" sung
     by the thousands who are present there that evening every year.

     Over the years it occurred to me that people from continents far away
     will never have the opportunity to attend such a ceremony but with
     our 21st century technology we have some solutions to offer and 2
     ideas grew in my mind.

     The first one was to create an internet site with video-images of
     the November 11th ceremony so that people as far away as New Zealand
     could click on the site and see as well as listen to the "Last Post"
     of November 11th 2001, see some photographs from Menen Gate, witness
     the singing of the British anthem.

     You are all welcome at my site http://many-glacier.mine.nu/ypres/ to
     see for yourselves.

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     A second thing that's been nagging me over the years is that I've
     been confronted with so many people from all over the world looking
     for a grave-site, people from Australia who saved for 50-60 years to
     be able to make this one trip and spend a few minutes near a marker
     of someone they maybe only know from family history.

     Also here technology has something to offer.

     A while ago a Canadian started the Maple Leaf Legacy Project, it was
     his quest to put a photograph on the internet of every individual
     grave marker of a Canadian soldier killed anywhere in the world. He
     is talking about some 115.000 photographs, a huge site. To learn
     more about this you can visit this site: http://www.mllp.demon.co.uk/

     Similar projects are now going for putting the graves of soldiers
     from New Zealand and Australia on the web.

     I would like to take the next step and provide a virtual grave-
     marker on the internet for every soldier that fought, died and was
     buried or MIA during World War 1. The majority are British or from
     the British colonies plus French. There are also a lot of Belgians,
     there are Americans and let's not forget there were also German sons
     and brothers and fathers who were equally mourned by their loved-ones.

     The project I am talking about is humongous, I have no clue whether
     it can be funded because it will take a shipload of money, I have no
     idea whether it can be achieved in my life-time (just turned 51 last
     week) but I do know one thing: I need partners and associates, people
     willing to spend time photographing, people willing to spend time
     building html-pages, people managing the site, people running the
     operation ! there's a need for lobbyists, fundraisers, speakers,
     do-ers !

     Many will be needed and therefore I am turning towards the Fido-
     community. In the past I've been amazed often enough to discover
     what kind of gems can be hidden in the sysop-community; I wonder
     now if some of these gems are left.

     Lip-service is welcome but I need practical input. People volun-
     teering must realize we're talking about years here and I have no
     clue of "how many". Certainly more than a decade, maybe even more
     than 2 decades. That is the kind of commitments I am looking forward
     to.

     If we can assemble a dedicated taskteam that would be an important
     first step. Next would be a businessplan and see where the funding
     could be coming from.

     You know my netmail-address. If not, it is 2:292/854. Via e-mail I
     can be reached at wd@skynet.be. If you think you can contribute in
     one way or the other then please let me know.

     In any case let us remember that war has never been a solution in
     itself!

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                                Ol'WDB's Column
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     Thanks to those who wrote me in response to my column.
     It is appreciated and warmly accepted, even those that think I may be
     "paranoid" about those that delight in back-biting.  True, I don't
     like to see such EXCEPT with "tongue in cheek and a smiley".  That
     takes the sting out of unnecessary rebuke and somewhat softens the
     rudeness.

     Now to other things that may help you with a problem, or enhance your
     enjoyment of your BBS and the Internet.  It has come to pass that the
     Internet is the free ride that replaces the long distance charges CRP
     used in past years to make up for. (CRP a minimum charge assessed each
     node for the import of echoes and files.) We seem to be in a quandary
     trying to adopt guidelines that pleases policy and works for everyone
     no matter h/h selection of methods of networking with other BBSes in
     Fidonet.  I think the RCC is trying hard to resolve some of the most
     pressing problems from what I have been told.  I hope they can agree
     on a list of necessities, and resolve them one by one in a timely
     manner.  Perhaps some special committees may be useful in searching
     out the root situation solutions and presenting to the ZCC. Fido must
     grow with the technology or be left behind as was the old Commodore
     C-64 with its 300 baud modem.  And perhaps the blend of the many ways
     to access Fidonet will gradually become easier for all new and future
     Fido-nodes.  We need to make that come to be for our survival as a
     network and hobby.

     Now a tip on a real good source of helpful information no matter what
     operating system you are using.  Sign up by sending a note to:
     subscribe@komando.com ,or at: http://www.komando.com/media/newsletter
     Every Saturday Kim delivers her timely and informative Newsletter
     absolutely FREE, and we NEVER sell our list of subscribers, so your
     e-mail address is safe with us!  She is also on hundreds of radio
     sta.s on Saturdays, info in newsletter for your area.  Many tips on
     setups and menu controls for all windows and other Op. Sys.

     Holiday shopping is here!  There are more and more purchases each year
     on the Ebay and other Internet stores, and more and more Scam artists
     putting up E-Stores to pick your pocket if you sucker into their deals
     that are ever so enticing.  May help if you first check with: Consumer
     protection and advice for e-commerce and the Internet, check out the
     Federal Trade Commission online:
     http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-internet.htm

     Another tip on free software I received:
     WARREN, Free Software now available to you from Sega, IBM, Disney,
     Simon & Schuster and many others!

     Click here: http://www.freesoftwarepromotions.com/100012
     <a href="http://www.freesoftwarepromotions.com/100012">AOL Members
     Click Here</a>
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     All titles are full-version, CD-ROMs (not shareware or demos) that are
     currently sold in retail outlets for as much as $50 each.

     No guarantees on my part, just passing the word along for some of you
     who may have lost  favorite oldie/goody games and want to replace
     it/them for the holidays for the kiddies, or other working programs
     you use. The price is hard to beat!

     Warm Regards,
     Ol'wdb

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                         [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]
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      This week's question comes from Todd Sullivan in reply to last week's
     question.

     "Does Fidonet need a completely new collection of *Cs?"

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                          [ ANSWERS OF THE WEEK ]
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                          Does Fidonet need a Policy?
                         From:    Aleksej R. Serdyukov

     Sure, but of course, with some changes..

     Basically because it is old (11 or 12 years is not good for policies,
     either real or computer).

     1.2.1.2 Points - heh, I don't like some of the part ;) ok..

     >1.3.1  FidoNews
     >FidoNews is a weekly newsletter distributed in electronic form
     >throughout the network.  It is an important medium by which FidoNet
     >sysops communicate with each other.  FidoNews provides a sense of
     >being a community of people with common interests.  Accordingly,
     >sysops and users are encouraged to contribute to FidoNews.
     >Contributions are submitted to node 1:1/1; a file describing the
     >format to be used is available from 1:1/1 and many other systems.

     Hmm.. May be, it is for those times, when the editor was 1:1/1 ?

     >2.1.9  Private Nodes

     >Private listings which are for the convenience of one sysop (at the
     >expense of every other sysop in FidoNet) are a luxury which is no
     >longer possible.

     I think it is neordinary and... if it was true, there weren't so many
     Private nodes ;)

     >4.2  "Bombing run"

     I think it would be very useful to replace it by more modern word -
     "spam".

     I haven't said also, that P4 says main part of FidoNet is NETMAIL. And
     echos are only mightly but not biggest part of it.. It calls "netmail"
     "normal mail", (like all software, but software cannot detect it
     exactly ;)

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     Dear Editorbeing,

     This article is submitted by Charles Herriot (c.herriot@sympatico.ca),
     late of 163/110, late of Region 12, etc, etc, who managed to chain Doc
     Logger to a keyboard long enough to get this screed wrapped in fish
     and sent off to his adoring fan...

     Roll da flic, Frank...

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     Dear Reverend Visage,

     I've cued up the soundtrack from The Rocky Horror Picture Show and
     cranked the volume past the pain threshold in order to play "Let's Do
     The Time Warp Again." I needed appropriate ambience to wade through
     the Important and Urgent Question posed as this week's topic. It would
     be crass of me to mention that it has been the exact same Urgent and
     Absolutely Pressing question since Fido was a puppy, back when less
     than 70% of Cher was plastic appendages.

     Bundled in the same issue of Fidonet was a rather petulant screed from
     my dear friend Andrea Santos who was whinging (whinging, not
     whining...never whining) about the End of Civilization that might
     ensue if geographic purity (has a sort of fascist cadence to it,
     doesn't it?) were allowed to be sullied by the evil swine in Net 229.
     Andrea blows the usual headgaskets speculating about the UnPatriotic
     motives of Net229 and assures us that Her altruism is of a richer hue,
     a firmer weave, than those node-mongering anarchists in Net229. She
     urges them to either go to hell, or Region12 ( same thing) if they
     don't share her cloacally restricted sentiments. (Oh for pity's sake,
     stop snickering. Andrea is a Western Art Treasure.)


     To get back to the original issue: Do we need policy? The answer is
     self-evident. Of course "we" do. Where else will socially maladroit
     people find refuge when their limitations might otherwise compell them
     to recognize that rules and regulations are a perfect substitute for
     common sense? Where else will people whose daily lives indicate that
     they lack management skills, or cooperative skills, can accelerate
     themselves into lofty titles and positions of authority. Look on the
     bright side, without the titles that go with the Policy dictated
     fiefdoms, most of these people would have been deprived of their
     highest achievement in life. To want such powers  or authority in
     Fidonet is perhaps a little demented and deranged but insisting on the
     absolute need for Policy is a kindness to them.  Take Andrea, for
     example, she is made whole - sanctimoniously satisfied - by whipping
     on the little puppies in Net229 who DARE to question the insanity of
     the Geographic Rule. Okay, so maybe she needs more vegetables in her
     diet or perhaps needs a real hobby, but you have to allow for a world
     where her needs are equally important as that segment of the
     population possessed of any shreds of common sense. The socially inept
     need love and understanding too, you know.

     I see also that the poor Editorbeing is doing the usual handwringing
     about what should be "allowed" into the electronic pages of his organ.
     It is a dilemma that has plagued all Snooz editors and they never seem
     to achieve grace with their answers before they undergo spontaneous
     human combustion (a Snooz editor occupational hazard.) Flooding into
     the Snooz editor's mailbox will come the usual mouthbreathing demands
     that The Snooz be kept free from extraneous drivel (like this article,
     for example) and left as the sole preserve of the Plastic Pocket Pen
     Protector club who can discuss the gruesomely technical aspects from
     the tinfoil shrouded sanctity of their basement apartments. The same
     people who send this sort of WhineMail(tm) are evolutionarily
     incapable of actually writing anything else. They know what they want,
     damnit, they just need a Big Person to hold the crayons and actually
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 12                   3 Dec 2001


     write it. At this point it is de regeure to quote the seer and
     prophet, Tom Jennings: ("Make mine a double cheese", Tom Jennings,
     April, 1987) Which lends a sort of historical impramentur to whatever
     dead horse is being flogged at the moment. Personally, I think it a
     damned fine thing that the last Snooz was 3 pages of articles followed
     by 17 pages of a telephone book. It would only have been better if
     Rosanna Arquette's phone number had been in there.

     The sad and simple truth that causes Snooz editors to eventually
     become insane or to become sociologists (which is pretty much the same
     thing) is that there are only three people who actually read the
     Snooz. The *C-beings avoid it like the plague because gawd forbid that
     they stoop to accountability or communication, and the legions of
     sysops only cherish it for the bragging rights they can attain from
     the incredible transfer speeds they achieve in whipping it out to
     their downstream nodes' trash baskets. Dallas Hinton reads it to
     satisfy himself that it is safe for children to read, and the third
     reader is stuck on the Falkland Islands with 30,000 sheep. Hell, even
     poor Mr. Bonner's heartfelt request for a little civility in the
     echoes was probably lost on almost everyone. (I'd have read the
     article myself if I hadn't been in such a frenzy to find Rosanna
     Arquette's telephone number or to discover if the software upgrade to
     my Sinclair ZX-81 was listed in the software section.Sorry Warren, as
     they say "poo happens".)


     To attempt to bring home the cows on this rambling piece, one of my
     favourite exclamations of the Policymongers is the aghast expression:
     "We have to have rules. Why...Why...without them we'd have...
     (meangingful pause here).. that would be anarchy!" (followed by
     another pause to wipe the rivulet of spittle from their chins.)  You
     can try to get these mouthbreathers to understand that the concept of
     "anarchy" is not synonimous with "chaos" but it is largely futile. You
     can almost imagine the life-crisis these same people would face if
     their peas ever touched their carrots on the dinner plate - my gawd,
     more anarchy. Fidonet was created as an exercise in workable anarchy
     and would have done fine had it not been hijacked by policymongering
     claim jumpers who recognized that the very premise of two individuals
     making an intelligent compact ruled themselves out as participants. An
     egalitarian society must embrace the cretinous as well as the lame,
     and so it is that Fido is replete with people whose approach to rules
     make Mugabe look like a dangerous populist.

     I must go, Visage, your secretary is screaming again which is a real
     puzzle because it has only been five minutes since I parked the D9
     Caterpiller beside my desk. As the good and decent people that we are,
     we should send her speelunking in Afghanistan.

     Regards
     Doc Logger
     Furlang Island,
     South Pacific

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                           Does Fidonet Need a Policy?
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                             From:    Todd Sullivan

     That all depends.

     Check Fido performance, manners and efficiency before and after
     Policy. Whichever's better (and I'm betting it was /before/) is your
     answer.

     I'm going to stick my neck out and declare Policy isn't at fault.
     Policy was written - apparently - by the *Cs.

     The question /should/ be "Does Fidonet need a completely new
     collection of *Cs?"

     Todd Sullivan

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                            [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]
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                              FidoNet logo inquiry
                                 By Frank Vest
                                     1:1/23
                              editor@fidonews.org

      As editor of the Fidonews, I get messages at the
     "editor@fidonews.org" address with everything from articles to
     viruses. The articles, of course, I accept and put in the Fidonews,
     the viruses, I delete. Then there are those inquiries like the one
     below that make me stop and go "Duh... Hmmm... I don't know the
     answer. Let me think on this a minute." :-)

     ---- begin quoted message
     "Hello there,

     This is Marti LaChance with Smart Computing magazine. We're working on
     an Encyclopedia of Computing, a printed volume due out in the spring
     of 2002. I'm writing to ask permission to use the dog-with-diskette
     logo for our FidoNet entry. I'm thinking of the image on
     fidonet.fidonet.org called "doggy," but will use the FidoNet logo you
     prefer.

     If this is ok with you, do you have a high-resolution copy of your
     logo?

     I have sent a similar inquiry to Tom Jennings, but have heard no
     response."
     ---- end quoted message


     FWIW, here's the basics of my reply:


     ----- cut
     "I'm really not sure where to go with your request. Fidonet is a hobby
     network and there are many "logo"s for Fidonet. I'm attaching the one
     that is registered as a trademark (Trade2.logo). The most commonly
     known is the ASCII "Dog with Diskette" that appears in the text
     version of the Fidonews. As far as which one to use in your
     "Encyclopedia of Computing", I really don't know which one to tell you
     to use."
     ----- cut


      I still don't know if I helped at all, but I did receive a reply
     indicating that they were going to use the trademark version.

      It is kinda nice to know in this day and age of computing that
     Fidonet still has a place in history.  Just thought I'd pass this
     along in case anyone is interested. :)

     The url for "Smart Computing magazine" is
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 15                   3 Dec 2001


     http://www.smartcomputing.com/

     in case anyone is interested in looking their site over.


     Regards,

      Frank Vest

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 16                   3 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
     =================================================================

                             The diary of a user
                               Petko Bossakov
                                  2:535/1

     18.7. i tried to call a bbs. i hear it's very interesting and fun, but
           i can't connect. i must have done something wrong.

     19.7. at the computer store they told me that i need a modem. it seems
           that they think that i am stupid and want to take my
           money. hmm. no way.

     22.7. i bought a modem. i tried to connect it to the monitor and the
           printer, but it didn't work.

     23.7. finally i made the modem work. the son of the neighbours (he's
           only 9 years old) connected it. unfortunately it still doesn't
           work and i can't connect to a bbs.

     25.7. the neighbours' kid gave me some software. he seems smarter than
           those computer store guys who sold me the modem. they didn't
           tell me that i need special programs to use the modem and i'm
           sure they didn't know that.

     26.7. damn! what's that "internet" thing? i thought that internet and
           bbs are the same. i'm pretty confused.

     27.7. the neighbours' kid showed me how to use a browser. i told him
           that when he grows up he'll become a great programmer, and he
           said that even now he feels like a genius compared to me. hmm.
           he must be kidding.

     28.7. today i tried to chat. i tried talking to the computer, but
           nothing happenned. Maybe i have to buy a microphone.

     29.7. i found something called a "forum". it's great!

     30.7. these guys in the forum can use capital letters. i wonder how do
           they do it? they must have different keyboards.

     31.7. I CALLED THE STORE FROM WHICH I BOUGHT THE COMPUTER TO COMPLAIN
           THAT I DON'T HAVE CAPITAL LETTER KEYS. THEY TOLD ME TO PRESS THE
           CAPS LOCK KEY. AND WHEN I ALSO COMPLAINED THAT ONE OF THE SHIFT
           KEYS IS WIDER THAN THE OTHER, THEY SAID IT WAS A STANDARD. BUT I
           DON'T WANT A STANDARD KEYBOARD! I WANT A NORMAL KEYBOARD. IT
           SEEMS THAT MY NOTE WAS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY THANKED ME AND
           SAID THAT THE WHOLE TECHNICAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT WAS LISTENING
           TO ME ON THE SPEAKERPHONE.

     1.8. I FOUND A FORUM. THEY SAID THAT THERE I CAN FIND ANSWERS TO ALL
          MY QUESTIONS. I SENT 44 QUESTIONS ABOUT COMPUTERS AND INTERNET. I
          HOPE I GET AN ANSWER SOON.

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 17                   3 Dec 2001


     2.8. I FOUND ANOTHER FORUM, ABOUT JOKES. I DECIDED TO SEND THEM A JOKE
          ABOUT A CHICKEN THAT CROSSED THE ROAD. HOWEVER, I WASN'T SURE
          THAT IT WILL WORK, SO I SENT IT 56 MORE TIMES.

     3.8. EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT A WORLD WIDE WEB. I NEVER IMAGINED THAT
          THERE CAN BE SO BIG SPIDERS. THEY MUST BE GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

     4.8. THE FORUM MODERATOR ANSWERED ME. HE WASN'T VERY NICE AND I GOT
          PRETTY ANGRY. THAT'S WHY I WROTE IN THE FORUM WHAT I THINK ABOUT
          HIM. I WASN'T VERY SURE THAT IT WAS SENT, SO I SENT THE LETTER 22
          MORE TIMES.

     5.8. SOMEONE HAS LEFT ME A NOTE TO READ THE FAQ. THAT GOT ME EVEN
          ANGRIER. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT FAQS ARE FOR IDIOTS.

     7.8. If writing in capitals isn't polite, why do we need a Caps Lock?
          They should make keyboards without it. They'd be cheaper this
          way.

     8.8. I received a letter where I read how I can make lots of money. I
          carried out all the instructions, added my name and put it in all
          forums that I could find.

     9.8. I set the letter as my signature. It's only 6 kilobytes. There is
          still some cosmetical work on it though.

     10.8. In a forum I read that all lamers must die. I read a few more
           messages, and now I completely agree. I just have to find out
           who are those lamers, after all.

     11.8. I asked where I can find the last version of Tetris. A guy told
           me to look for it in 2:50**/**. I searched for hours, but I
           couldn't find that forum.

     12.8. Now I can't ask the neighbours' boy about anything. His parents
           wouldn't let him. They say that every time he came to visit me,
           he never stopped laughing, so he could neither eat nor study.

           In the humor forum they didn't like my joke about the chicken.
           They seem to prefer other kinds of jokes. I received lots of
           other letters, but there are only symbols like @#$%^.

     13.8. I asked in all the forums who are these lamers and where is
           2:50**/****. I forgot to use my new signature (it's only 8
           kilobytes).

     14.8. I can't connect to the Internet. The sysop has left me a message
           not to call any more. :(

     15.8. I found out that there are other providers in town. At least I
           can call them...

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 18                   3 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
                           [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]
     =================================================================

                           Information on Doug Myers?
                               From Dale Garside

     Editor's Note: The below was sent to me via the "editor@fidonews"
     address and, obviously intended for Warren Bonner. I forwarded it to
     Warren who replied to me and suggested I include it in the Fidonews.
     Since Fidonet is known for trying to be helpful and someone reading
     this might know of some further information, I thought it a good idea.
      - Frank


     Dear Warren,

     I am Doug Myer's half brother, Dale. Doug's father died when he was
     less than one year old, and his mother married my father a year later
     in the Harrisburg, PA area. We grew up in Summerdale, just three years
     apart, and we were very close. I could tell you many stories ...

     I also have some photos and copies of his cartoon strip about a pirate
     ship crew, "Colombo." (before the TV show by the same name). The
     cartoons are good stuff, and even Johnny Hart looked at them once and
     was very complimentary about the quality of Doug's artwork and text.
     Doug had tried to get the cartoons syndicated, but it never happened.
     I still think his work is brilliant.

     I read the tributes to Doug in Fidonet's September 24, 2000 issue, and
     I am deeply grateful to have them recorded. If more people did write
     in subsequent issues, I would like to access those tributes, as well,
     so I can share them with our family (Rehkugler and Garside). None of
     the Myers relatives, except his ex-wife and three sons, are alive now,
     but already his son, Jeremy, would like to have copies of any tributes
     to his father.

     Since you have known Doug for some time, perhaps you could point out
     any interesting things he has written via Fidonet or in correspondence
     to friends. We would deeply appreciate any insights into my most
     intelligent and generous brother.

     Feel free to share this information via Fidonet, or in E-mails to
     Doug's friends. There is some consolation in finding others who knew
     and appreciated Doug. We would love to hear more ...

     Dale

     Dale Garside, Ph.D.
     P.O. Box 800761
     Toccoa Falls, GA 30598
     1-706-886-6831x5421
     email: dgarside@toccoafalls.edu

     Dale, Bev, & Rachel Garside
     107 Fern Valley Dr.
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 19                   3 Dec 2001


     Toccoa, GA 30577
     1-706-282-7011
     email: bgarside@toccoafalls.edu

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.334
      File has a Date Stamp of : 11/30/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1183.04 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10817 Nodes in it
      and a total of  13928 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     489 Network Hosts listed.
                     740 Hubs listed.
                     374 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     886 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     551 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1300 ( 12.02 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 886 (  8.19 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
            9600 =   9266 (  85.66 %)
                        (HST's =  199 or   2.15 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   15 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5227 or  56.41 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  618 or   6.67 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 4997 or  53.93 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  667 or   7.20 % "       "    "     "   )
            2400 =    107 (  0.99 %)
            1200 =      6 (  0.06 %)
             300 =    475 (  4.39 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4137
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                10
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       11
     --------------------------------------
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 20                   3 Dec 2001


      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      74
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     408
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4639
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3862 ( 35.70 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5627 ( 52.02 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    814 (  7.53 %)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 21                   3 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
     =================================================================

                        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     BBBS Home Page
     b@bbbs.net
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     elebbs@elebbs.com
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     info@HermesII.org
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
     sales@lainus.com
     http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

     MBSE BBS
     Michiel Broek + development team
     mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
     http://mbse.sourceforge.net
     2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

     Mystic BBS
     http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     groberts@nexusbbs.net
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Proboard
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     RemoteAccess Central
     Bruce Morse
     bfmorse@rapro.com
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Searchlight
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     Spitfire BBS
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 22                   3 Dec 2001


     Buffalo Creek Software
     MDWoltz@AOL.COM
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     Synchronet BBS
     sysop@vert.synchro.net
     http://www.synchro.net

     Telegard BBS
     support@telegard.net
     http://www.telegard.net/

     Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Bentstone Capabilities Group
     info@stonebenders.com
     http://www.srupc.com/mall

     Jibben Software
     scott@jibben.com
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     JNS Software Door Games
     Rusty Johnson
     rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
     304-733-0113
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://www.lordlegacy.org/

     PC Pursuits
     brucep@pop.kis.net
     (301)240-6653
     http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

     S and T Software
     Mark Bappe
     mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net
     (770)788-6843
     http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

     Shinning Star BBS Doors
     nannette@shiningstar.net
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Sunrise Door Software
     Al Lawerence
     al@sunrisedoors.com
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 23                   3 Dec 2001


     (404)256-9518
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     The Brainex System
     info@brainex.com
     http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     jpritch@eisonline.com
     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
     1:299/110

     Vagabond Software
     Bryan Turner
     vagabond@darktech.org
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
     1:124/7013

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
     2:280/1076

     Squish Tosser
     http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     Definite Solutions
     sales@defsol.se
     http://www.defsol.se/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://beemail.gexonline.net
     Stephen Proffit
     1:211/405

     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Plantinum Express for Wildcat
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 24                   3 Dec 2001


     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     BinkD
     maloff@corbina.net
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidogate
     Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     Bo Bendtsen
     sales@terminate.com
     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     Internet Rex
     cruden@cs.ualberta.ca
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

     TransX
     Multiboard Communications Inc.
     support@multiboard.com
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
     1:2401/305

     TransNet
     transnet@ressl.com.ar
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     ramon@sbbs.se
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 25                   3 Dec 2001


     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
     http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

     CrossPoint ("Original" version)
     http://www.crosspoint.de
     http://www.apoint-mail.de

     CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
     http://www.openxp.com (English)
     http://www.openxp.de (German)

     CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
     http://www.xp2.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com

     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     ADF Fossil
     http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 26                   3 Dec 2001


     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Dead Links
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

     Renegade BBS
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     List Submission Procedures: Netmail 1:10/345
                                 E-Mail  fidosoft@bbsnets.com


     The format of this list is undergoing changes and improvements

     BBS Software Name
     Company/Author
     Contact E-mail
     Contact Telephone
     Internet address (if available)
     Fido style address (if available)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 27                   3 Dec 2001


     =================================================================
                    [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]
     =================================================================


                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update: 12:41 PM 11/25/01

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Please do not list the virtual email addresses
     on any web page.


     - = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
     ? = Unable to connect

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
     Parody:       http://www.fidonet.ro/
     Foti          http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
     History       http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  <vacant>
       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
         Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 28                   3 Dec 2001


         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
                   http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)




                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     FIDONEWS 18-49               Page 29                   3 Dec 2001


     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL  | n/c
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
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     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

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