      F I D O N E W S         Volume 18, Number 30             23 Jul 2001 
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         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT  .........................................  1
        Have you ever Noticed  ....................................  1
     2. GENERAL ARTICLES  .........................................  2
        New happenings in my life  ................................  2
        The Amazing Zone 1 Word Twist Game  .......................  3
     3. EDITORIAL  ................................................  6
        Echomail Saga  ............................................  6
     4. FIDONET NOTICES  .......................................... 10
        The "Fidonet Software Listing" Section  ................... 10
     5. EDITOR'S CORNER  .......................................... 11
        An Old Idea  .............................................. 11
     6. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN  ..................................... 14
        Fido and Life  ............................................ 14
        Fidonet's Favorite Things  ................................ 14
     7. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 16
        Owls  ..................................................... 16
     8. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES  ...................................... 17
        The Lord's Prayer for E-mail  ............................. 17
        Faux Pas  ................................................. 17
        Fishing  .................................................. 17
     9. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 19
        Fidonet Software listing  ................................. 19
     10. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 23
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 23
     11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 29
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 29
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 30
        NetStats  ................................................. 31
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                             FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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     Have you ever noticed....  Anybody going slower than you is an idiot,
     and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
      --George Carlin

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                             GENERAL ARTICLES
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                           New happenings in my life
                                 By Frank Vest
                                 1:124/6308(.1)

     Just to get off of the kicks and politics of Fidonet, I thought I'd
     write a little about what is happening in my life. I'm not getting
     real personal here, but it's a change. :-)

     I'd like to invite other Fidonet people to write some about things
     that are happening in your life. It doesn't have to be real personal
     or some earth shaking event. Just about anything that might be
     happening in your life. The idea here is to make Fidonet and the
     Fidonews more "family" and "community". We are, BTW, a family of sorts
     and what is happening in our individual lives might be of interest to
     others. Who knows, you might make a friend or two. :-))

     This idea was hatched by noticing that the first issues of the
     Fidonews, Tom Jennings as Editor, asked for events happening in the
     lives of Fidonet members. It seemed to be his belief that Fidonet was
     a community, a thought that many still have, though not always shown.

     Anyway. Send articles about the birth of your child, grandchild, your
     pending marriage, what new things you are attempting with your
     computer(s), BBS, or whatever to the Editor as a submission. Even the
     remodeling of your house... Heck we're a community here, right? :-)

     Enough of that. Here's my offering. :-)

      Ok. Recently I tried to network three of my systems together just for
     fun. My thought was to be able to play games and read/write messages
     from any of the systems without having to have several setups on
     several systems. I could also see the benefits of having the BBS
     download files on a system with more space and allowing the BBS to
     simply retrieve them as needed. Easy way to increase the BBS. :-)

      I had a couple of NIC cards and with some cable, I started. Now, I'm
     not a network specialist in any form. I couldn't get the cards to
     configure and the whole thing failed to work. I finally found setup
     programs for the cards and tried again. With the help of some Fidonet
     members, I learned that the setup for many of the older NIC cards must
     be done from Dos... not a Dos prompt.

     It's been a learning experience, but I now have three systems running
     on a peer to peer. Two are Win98 and one is Dos. FWIW, There is an
     excellent site on the Internet at: http://www.wown.com/ that has some
     very good help on networking a peer to peer.  You can also get
     software to network Dos systems with TCP/IP and other protocols on the
     Internet. If anyone is interested in the Dos stuff, let me know and
     I'll try to point you at some information.

     Have a great day!

     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 3                   23 Jul 2001


     Frank

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                       The Amazing Zone 1 Word Twist Game
                                 By Frank Vest
                                 1:124/6308(.1)


     It's time once again, as always, to play "The Amazing Zone 1 Word
     Twist Game".

     How to play?

     Simple: Any statement made or word(s) said by someone in a Fidonet
     Echo are interpreted and twisted, in any way you want, to mean what
     you desire, regardless of the intention of the statements or word(s).
     This is best used in an administrative echo to disrupt or stop someone
     from actually doing something that another sees as wrong without
     having to justify why it is wrong.

     Let's start:

     First, This is my side of post made in a Fidonet, Zone 1, Echo by me
     and how it can be twisted. My post is noted as "Statement *" and my
     twist of the statement is noted by "Twist *".The statements are real.
     The twists are made up and should not be related to any real twists
     that have been used on any messages.

     Begin:

     "Why are some areas listing (gaining) nodes while others are not? I'm
     not pointing a finger at any one group here."

     If only it would be taken that way.

      Statement 1:
     "Fidonet has a Policy. Some respect it, some ignore it. Some follow
     it, some work around it, some disregard it while others do other
     things with/to it."

      Twist 1:
     I agree with you. The ones that ignore it are wrong because it is
     law. It's precious and should be revered and followed.

      Twist 2:
     Yes, you are right, it is a bad policy and should be ignored and
     disregarded. It is outdated and should be thrown out.

      Statement 2:
     "If P4 is ignored, anyone that asks for a Node number can be given one
     by anyone that is willing to assign one."

      Twist 1:
     Absolutely. That's how it should be and we are doing that.

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      Twist 2:
     Of course you are right. P4 forbids that. How dare someone think that
     Node numbers can be given by anyone!

      Statement 3:
     "If P4 is followed, one must apply for a Node number and agree to
     certain things."

      Twist 1:
     Yes. That is what is killing Fidonet. People don't join because of
     P4. You are correct in wanting it thrown out.

      Twist 2:
     Yes. P4 should be followed. We agree.

      Statement 4:
     "I'm not saying either or any is bad or good, just stating the facts
     as I see them."

      Twist 1:
     Facts?!? Yeah, your facts!

      Twist 2:
     Facts?!? Yeah, your facts!

      Statement 5:
     "If any organization has a policy and that policy is followed, there
     will be those that won't join that organization because of the policy.
     If there is someone, or section/group in the organization that is
     willing to ignore the policy, the ones that wouldn't join before
     because of the policy will/might then join."

      Twist 1:
     You are right on. Policy should be followed to prevent those
     undesirables from getting in.

      Twist 2:
     Absolutely. Allow new Nodes in. Forget about that old, outdated text
     file called a policy.

      Statement 6:
     "When this happens, there is going to be conflict between at least two
     factions of the organization."

      Twist 1:
     Yup. And our way is best. How good of you to see this.

      Twist 2:
     Yup. And our way is best. How good of you to see this.

      Statement 7:
     "The ones that follow the policy will fight with the ones that ignore
     the policy because it is against the policy and wrong in their view."

      Twist 1:
     <sarcasm>
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     Of course we can't have that famous policy ignored. Heaven forbid!
     What is this world coming to?!?

      Twist 2:
     <no sarcasm>
     Of course we can't have that famous policy ignored. Heaven forbid!
     What is this world coming to?!? I'm glad you're with us on this.

      Statement 8:
     "The ones that ignore the policy will argue that the policy is wrong
     and defend this with arguments that they are gaining members for the
     organization."

      Twist 1:
     Of course they will. That's the only argument they have.

      Twist 2:
     Yup. Can't argue with facts.

      Statement 9:
     "There could be others that will argue for parts of the policy to be
     followed and other parts to be ignored because of different reasons
     and judgements. Sadly, in many instances, the sides that are arguing
     will be totally unwilling to work towards fixing, developing, or other
     wise helping, preferring to argue and continue doing as they always
     have."

      Twist 1:
     Fix what? It isn't broken. What we do is working fine. Prove it needs
     be fixed.

      Twist 2:
     Fix what? It can't be fixed. What we do is working fine. Prove that
     it can be fixed and we'll talk.

     End:

     Of course, this isn't always the case and not all people in Zone one
     participate in this game, but it does happen. :(


     Have fun,

      Frank

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                                 EDITORIAL
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                                 Echomail Saga
                                 By Frank Vest

      I asked a simple question in an echo. It was in innocence and I
     thought it would be answered simply and over with. Not in Fidonet.
     :-))

     The subject was about how the distribution systems in Zone 1 work in
     regards to how they "mesh" with each other, the hierarchy, "Who's
     Who", and such.

     Up to the point that I dropped the conversation, it has been fairly
     civil in that echo on the subject.  I'd like to thank the participants
     for that and also thank the Moderators for allowing the conversation
     to happen in the echo, which is, BTW, not really `on topic' for that
     echo.

     I've had thoughts for some time about the distribution systems in Zone
     1. There are two or three, dependant on how you look at it. So, I
     asked the following questions;

     "Real question to me is: Why does Fidonet Zone 1 need a tier??...
     better yet, why does Fidonet Zone 1 need three distribution systems."

     Answer: Terminology. Different systems call their members by different
     terms... IE: Tier1, 2 ... ZHub, RHub ....

     "Another real question to me is why are there three separate lists of
     echos for Fidonet in Zone 1? Why not have one official list and all
     carry it?"

     The common answer, from all sides, to this question seems to be, `Zone
     1 doesn't need multiple distribution systems for echomail' and
     `politics'.

     I have been in this conversation via the echo and via Netmail. Some
     feared that I was receiving one side of a story and believing that
     side only. Far from it. I was gathering information in the only way I
     know how or can. I ask questions and read answers.

     As this plays out.... from my point of view....

     There are three echomail distribution systems in Zone 1. Some discount
     one of those because it carries a lot of multi-lingual echos. I can't
     discount that since, 1.) It carries much the same echos as the other
     Z1 distribution systems, 2.) What does language differences have to do
     with distribution?

      It is mentioned that the distribution systems, while separate, have
     "bridge" Node(s) that may or may not be part of each system but act as
     a connection between the systems.

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     To me, that is a weak place in the echomail distribution. since a
     break there will kill echomail for one half to one third of Z1
     depending on the number of Nodes linked to each distribution system
     and such.

     It is mentioned that Fidonet is a network.

     Duh... Yes. :)

     As such, there are tiers in the network. Some are above others in some
     fashion due to how the network is set up. The "rank" in this setup is
     strictly technical and has nothing to do with power. Ok... let's look
     at that.

     Fidonet, I believe, is a peer to peer network. All Nodes in this
     Fidonet network can connect to every other Node equally. I'm not
     saying that each Node does or has to connect to every other Node, only
     that they can connect to each other where and if desired. That's a
     peer to peer?

     When things such as top level and other titles are inserted into this
     peer to peer network, it becomes something else. The "equal" goes away
     and there is a "power" based on who can connect to who for what reason
     and where do these connections fit into the "rank" of the system.
     Then, there are divisions due to technical situations. One hub feeds
     this side and one hub feeds that side due to the demand. It is now a
     "Client/Server" system. It can still be peer to peer in the respect
     that anyone can connect to anyone else for one or all echos, but there
     is a change that takes place.

     I'm not a network technician and I don't know a lot about networks or
     some other things. What I do see, however, is how the above plays out
     in the real world with people.

     Take Fidonet and set it up as a peer to peer. Then add people to
     operate the systems on this peer to peer network. Now, add in some
     people that decide to set up a distribution system and make a
     "client/server" system for the network to increase efficiency.
     Remember that this can be and still is a peer to peer network in the
     respect that each Node can connect to any other Node. In fact, the
     people that set up the "client/server" system are peers to one another
     in some respects.

     Good idea and it can work. The problem comes in when you start dealing
     with the "human" factor.  Put personalities into play and other human
     things and we end up with problems. One doesn't like another and a
     word is said that doesn't set well and there is a disagreement between
     two hubs about something and the next thing we know, there is a split.
     Now we have two distribution systems doing the same thing separately.
     How do they interact? A bridge system that can and will work with
     both.

     Time passes and there is another disagreement, another split and
     another bridge.  More time and more disagreements and more bridges and
     so forth.

     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 8                   23 Jul 2001


     This may not sound like a real problem until you realize that these
     bridges are stacking up on top of each other, the distribution systems
     are stacking up and the weight is growing. Given time, there will be
     one distribution system for each Node. In other words, each Node will
     be it's own distribution system and will bridge to every other Node.
     Can you say Peer to Peer? You should... That's what we end up with.
     :-)

     Ok, so what's so bad about this?  The trouble that is caused in
     getting from point A to point A. Huh?!? "Point A to Point A"?!? Yes.
     We have gone nowhere and caused/had a lot of trouble in the process.

     Depending on how this happens to play out, we could go from point A to
     -point A. If every Node ends up as its own distribution system and
     bridge because of some disagreements and all the distribution systems
     refuse to cooperate with each other and the bridges, which are the
     distribution systems which are the Nodes, refuse to cooperate with
     each other, the Fidonet peer to peer network dies.

     Take a look around. See anything familiar?

     I'm not saying that multiple distribution systems are wrong. I'm just
     saying:

     Forget about the top level, mesh this and that, titles and such.

     Look at the Elist. Find the echos that are listed as distributed via
     Fidonet.

     Forget about the multi language stuff. If it's not in your language
     and you don't want it, don't subscribe to it.

     Check for "private" echos. IE: Regional, administrative and such.

     In case there is a question if the echo is "private" or admin. or
     such, ask the Moderator.

     Check with the Moderators to find out if they wish to have their echo
     listed and distributed via fidonet.na

     ---= Rules =---

     1. If the echo is listed as a Fidonet echo and the Moderator wants it
     distributed, by gum!, it's distributed. Period.

     2. If a person feeding someone doesn't want to carry an echo, get it
     from somewhere else.

     3. No power allowed. No Titles allowed.

     4. If other distribution systems wish to continue operation, fine. Go
     for it.

     5. If some want to charge for service, no problem. If some want to pay
     for service, no problem. Just don't bitch about the service to anyone
     except the person or "distribution system" you pay to.
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     6. This is a hobby. There are no guarantees given, implied or
     expressed.

     7. Drop the politics!

     ---= End of Rules =---


     Regards,

      Frank Vest, Fidonews Editor

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                              FIDONET NOTICES
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                     The "Fidonet Software Listing" Section
                                 By Frank Vest
                                 1:124/6308(.1)

     I was approached by Todd Cochrane about adopting the "Fidonet Software
     Listing" section of the Fidonews. Todd will now be producing, updating
     and submitting that list. Any corrections, additions or whatever
     should be addressed to him.

     At this time, I do not have contact information on Todd. I'm sure he
     will provide such in his section or let us know how to reach him for
     updates and additions.

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                              EDITOR'S CORNER
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                                  An Old Idea
                                 By Frank Vest
                              editor@fidonews.org

     In some of the original editions of the Fidonews, there were articles
     from Nodes about what was happening in there personal lives and other
     such things. The Editor seemed to encourage this as the thought was
     that Fidonet was a community. As example of this encouragement, I
     offer the following excerpts from the Fidonews:
                                     --==--

              You are ENCOURAGED to send things in for the
      newsletter. ANYTHING is fit for the newsletter, such as a
      description of your board, problems found, questions, jokes,
      fixes, horror stories about wrong FidoNet numbers, things
      for sale, etc etc etc.
                                     --==--

     I'm not sure that just "ANYTHING" is fit for the Fidonews, but I am
     willing to accept most anything. We are Fidonet. We are all different.
     Fidonews is the Newspaper of Fidonet. News from those members is
     welcome. I'll draw the line at vulgar language.

     Tom went on in the first edition to write:
                                     --==--

               Oh yeah, I did mention that ... I hereby declare all
       Fido users and sysops members of the FidoNet Users Group.
       Sounds pretty stupid, huh? Well ... If there are 100 Fido
       systems around the country, and each has at least 100 users,
       thats 10,000 people. Any group that large has advantages, if
       nothing other than letters to the editor of your favorite
       magazine. This is just a brainstorm at this point, but is
       something to keep in mind.
                                     --==--

     This would seem to indicate that Users as well as Nodes are welcome in
     the Fidonews. After all, Fidonet is more than just a bunch of
     Sysops. Even with our shrinking numbers, there are still Users in
     Fidonet that access BBS for the message areas. I'll buy that. :)

     As you have probably noticed, I've written most of the Fidonews this
     week. That's nothing new. I've been trying to get articles submitted,
     but there are always the excuses. Some are pretty good excuses, but
     the ones that stick out to me are the ones that blame me for articles
     not being submitted. Really?!? :(

     I know that there are guidelines for submissions. The first Fidonews
     editions had some as well. IE:
                                     --==--

                          ARTICLE SUBMISSION
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 12                  23 Jul 2001


                     The format of this thing is totally ad hoc; please
             make recomendations as to formats, sections needed, liked,
             or hated, columns you'd like to see, or see removed,
             anything at all. If you want to submit something regularly,
             we can start a column for you.

                     You are ENCOURAGED to send things in for the
             newsletter. ANYTHING is fit for the newsletter, such as a
             description of your board, problems found, questions, jokes,
             fixes, horror stories about wrong FidoNet numbers, things
             for sale, etc etc etc.

                        SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE

                     An article should have your name, node number (if
             applicable), followed by the text. Text can be any ASCII
             derivative; WordStar, soft paragraphs, 8th bit set, etc are
             all OK.

                     Articles can be uploaded at either Fido #1 or #51,
             into the NEWS File Area, or by sending it by FidoNet. There
             is a convention for naming the files, so that the newsletter
             can be published automatically.

                            ARTICLE FILENAMES

                     file.ART        For article type things
                     file.SAL        Things for sale
                     file.NOT        Notices
                     file.MSC        Miscelaneous things
                     file.EDT        an Editorial
                     file.NEW        News items
                     file.WNT        Wanted items

                     Make sure the name is unique, especially if you send
             it by FidoNet, so you dont overwrite another article.
                                     --==--

     I'm not saying that we should do as the above, but still... If you
     don't submit anything, you can't know if it will be accepted. Blame
     your lazy self. The guidelines for submission are basically that,
     guidelines. They are mainly technical in nature since the program that
     makes the Fidonews will not handle high ascii and lines over 70
     characters. The rest are still "JUST GUIDELINES". Even the character
     and length problems are workable. I "fix" the articles that are
     submitted that don't meet the requirements of the makenews program. I
     don't mind doing this. I do mind when there are no submissions due to
     some complaint about the guidelines. That's BS and a bad excuse IMHO.

     I've put in an article from me about things happening in my life. Hey,
     we all have a life and we are all members of the Fidonet community.
     Write something! If nothing else, when you submit articles, it just
     might shut me up since the Fidonews will have submissions and I won't
     have to write so much. :-))


     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 13                  23 Jul 2001


     Regards,

     Frank

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                           HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN
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                                 Fido and Life
                               From Warren Bonner
                             <wdbonner@pacbell.net>


     There WAS life before computers, and Fidonet...

     - An application was for employment
     - Fidonews was six tiny puppies
     - A program was a TV show
     - Fido Zones were doggie run parks
     - A cursor used profanity
     - Fido was the family pet
     - A keyboard was on a piano
     - Fido Region was the home yard
     - Memory was something that you lost with age
     - Fido history was archives of AKC
     - A CD was a bank account
     - Fido-Doggie-with-Floppy-Disk was Tom's dream
     - A letter might take three days to reach your friend
     - Fido software was yet to be invented
     - Compress was something you did to garbage
     - Fido simply buried his
     - Log on was adding wood to a fire
     - Fido always anointed logs, trees or whatever
     8^))

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                           Fidonet's Favorite Things
                                 By Frank Vest
                     Inspired by a Sysop in a Fidonet Echo

     To the tune of "My Favorite Things"

     Flame wars and Net wars no one is forgiven
     Stopping at nothing is how we are driven
     Wild accusations that hurt what we love
     Hey wait a minute I forgot my glove

     Start out with a message designed to do damage
     Finish with a statement that's born of pure spamage
     Twist all the words to fit what you think
     That's how you manage to make Fido sink

     When the Nodes drop,
     When the Nets stop,
     We all get together to lay on the blame
     Then we don't feel so bad.

     Tell all the Sysops your views about P4
     That's the best way to start up a Zone war
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 15                  23 Jul 2001


     What does it matter what others may think
     They really need to go see a shrink

     When you are proved wrong never admit it
     Swear that the others simply don't get it
     Puff up and cough up and spew up old things
     It doesn't matter, it has a good ring

     When the mail stops,
     When the zones drop,
     We'll all get together to lay on the blame
     Then we won't feel so bad.


     <clap> <clap>

     <bowing humbly>

     Thank you very much

     For my next number....   No! Wait!! Not the flame throwers... Arrrgh!!
     :-)

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                              COMIX IN ASCII
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                                      Owls

        ___              ___              ___   ___       }  ___
       <-o->            </,\>            <*,*>_<*,*>     {  <@,@>
       [`-']            [`-']            [`-'___`-']     U---'-']
       -"-"-            -"-"-            --"-----"--        -"-"-
      Tired owl        Sad owl          Siamese owl(s)   owl smoking


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                            CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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                          The Lord's Prayer for E-mail

     I had been teaching my three-year old daughter, Caitlin, the Lord's
     Prayer. For several evenings at bedtime, she would repeat after me the
     lines from the prayer. Finally, she decided to go solo. I listened
     with pride as she carefully enunciated each word, right up to the end
     of the prayer: "Lead us not into temptation," she prayed, "but deliver
     us some E-mail. Amen! ! ."

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                                    FAUX PAS
                       submitted by wdbonner@pacbell.net

     In the north of England lived a man, poorly educated, who made a large
     fortune by selling his design for a bicycle chain. With this money he
     set about realizing his childhood ambition to become a country squire.
     He purchased a beautiful estate near the Scottish border, and
     proceeded, with the help of some excellent servants, to live in a
     manner none in his family had ever dreamed of.

     Foremost of these servants was his butler, Jeeves, a well-educated man
     who assisted his master in every way he could to better himself. The
     master would often ask Jeeves for advice on how to handle a social
     situation, or to explain a new term. One day when the master was
     reading he called Jeeves in and asked, "Jeeves, what is this fox
     pass?"

     "Sir," replied Jeeves, "that would be 'faux pas.'  I'll give you an
     example. Do you remember recently when Lord and Lady Plushbottom
     stayed for the weekend? And do you remember how on Sunday morning Lord
     Plushbottom pricked his finger on a rose thorn? And do you further
     remember how later, at breakfast, Lady Plushbottom asked her husband,
     "Is your prick still throbbing, dear?", and you said "Christ!" and I
     dropped the marmalade?

     That, Sir, was a "faux pas."

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                    Fishing


     Two fellas are fishing in a boat under a bridge. One looks up and sees
     a funeral procession starting across the bridge. He stands up, takes
     off his cap, and bows his head. The procession crosses the bridge and
     the man puts on his cap, picks up his rod and reel, and continues
     fishing. The other guy says, "That was touching. I didn't know you had
     it in you."

     The first guy responds, "Well, I guess it was the thing to do - after
     all, I was married to her for 40 years
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 18                  23 Jul 2001


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     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 19                  23 Jul 2001


     =================================================================
                         FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================


     This list has been adopted. See the Fidonet Notices section for
     details.

     The format of this list is currently;

     Name
     Internet address (if available)
     Fido style address (if available)

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Buffalo Creek Software - Spitfire BBs
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     MBSE BBS for Linux
     http://freezer-burn.org/mbse/

     The Official Mystic BBs Web Page
     http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9426/index.html

     RemoteAcces BBs Software World Wide Sales and Support Site
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Renegade BBs Software
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     Through a Looking Glass Mirror Telegard Support
     http://www.telegard.net/

     The Maximus Home page
     http://oeonline.com/~garyg/maximus/

     BBBS Home Page
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     Synchronet BBS
     http://www.synchro.net

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 20                  23 Jul 2001


     Shinning Star BBs Doors by Nannette Thacker
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Jibben Software
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     Sunrise Door Software
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     Vagabond Software
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://lord.darktech.org/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/

     JNS Software Door Games by Rusty Johnson
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions - FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     http://www.defsol.se/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://www.bise.tzo.com/beemail/

     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Santronics Software Inc.
     http://www.santronics.com/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Internet Rex (Internet mail software)
      http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Argus
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/

     Bink D
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 21                  23 Jul 2001


     TransX
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html

     Fidogate
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru

     TransNet
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm

     CrossPoint
     http://www.crosspoint.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 22                  23 Jul 2001


     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 23                  23 Jul 2001


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     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 24                  23 Jul 2001


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       Region 25:  <Vacant>
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          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 25                  23 Jul 2001


     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
       18/600   | Jerry Gause       | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      1:134/11  @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 26                  23 Jul 2001


     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BN IFCICO      | ???   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 27                  23 Jul 2001


      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
        65/3000      | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
        653/1009     | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
        654/0        | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
        654/1501     | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free


     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 28                  23 Jul 2001


     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

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                                    NetStats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.201
      File has a Date Stamp of :  7/20/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1234.27 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 11380 Nodes in it
      and a total of  14517 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      68 Region Coordinators listed.
                     506 Network Hosts listed.
                     794 Hubs listed.
                     383 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     821 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     559 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1374 ( 12.07 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 821 (  7.21 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
     FIDONEWS 18-30               Page 32                  23 Jul 2001


                  9600 =   9730 (  85.50 %)
                        (HST's =  214 or   2.20 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                        (PEP's =   16 or   0.16 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32's = 5523 or  56.76 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V32B's =  720 or   7.40 % "       "    "     "   )
                        (V42's = 5180 or  53.24 % "        "    "     "   )
                        (V42B's =  772 or   7.93 % "       "    "     "   )
                  2400 =    115 (  1.01 %)
                  1200 =      8 (  0.07 %)
                   300 =    531 (  4.67 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4559
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                11
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       13
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          6
     --------------------------------------
      XR              Opus 1.03                      81
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     414
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4769
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   4259 ( 37.43 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5773 ( 50.73 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    850 (  7.47 %)

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