     The  F I D O N E W S      Volume 18, Number 45             05 Nov 2001 
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         Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.


                        Table of Contents
     1. [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]  .....................................  1
     2. [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]  .....................................  2
        Let's go Dutch  ...........................................  2
        What are Hermes Sysops?  ..................................  3
     3. [ EDITORIAL ]  ............................................  5
        Misconception: a misunderstanding: wrong idea  ............  5
     4. [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]  .......................  7
        Rebuttal to "Zone 2 participation of FidoNews."  ..........  7
     5. [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]  ...................... 10
        Ol'WDB's Column  .......................................... 10
     6. [ FIDONET NOTICES ]  ...................................... 12
        A Fond Farewell  .......................................... 12
     7. [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]  ................................. 14
        What do you want in the Fidonews?  ........................ 14
     8. [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]  ...................................... 16
        Patched Makenews Program  ................................. 16
     9. [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]  .................................. 18
        Terrorists  ............................................... 18
        We are ready!  ............................................ 18
        Shame on you  ............................................. 19
     10. [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]  ............ 20
        Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*  .......................... 20
     11. [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]  ..................... 26
        Fidonet-related sites  .................................... 26
     12. [ SPECIAL INTEREST ]  .................................... 32
        Nodelist Stats  ........................................... 32
     13. [ FIDONEWS INFORMATION ]  ................................ 34
        How to Submit an Article  ................................. 34
        Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability  .................. 35
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                           [ FOOD FOR THOUGHT ]
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     A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells
     us the truth about its author.
                         --G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936)

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                           [ GENERAL ARTICLES ]
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                                 Let's go Dutch
                            Bj”rn Felten, 2:203/208

        Did you ever wonder why you say 'let's go Dutch' and not let's go
     Irish, Spanish, German or French when you go to a restaurant and want
     to split the bill? Well, the obvious reason is that the Dutch are
     very... eh... economical, if not even parsimonious. This is one of the
     three corner stones that make up the typical Dutch mentality.

        Parsimony
        =========

        You may be invited for a cup of coffee in Holland, but you probably
     only will get one cookie and never a piece of cake.

        If you're invited to a party, you'll be expected to show up after
     nine in the evening, because then the host can be sure you've already
     had dinner.

        Q. Who invented the copper wire?
        A. Two Dutchmen who found a five-cent coin.

        Austerity
        =========

        The second corner stone is austerity, especially to yourself.
     If you live in a country that has been conquered from the ocean, where
     banks and channels are in need of daily maintenance, it's no wonder
     that austerity is the foundation of the calvinistic religion that's
     dominating Holland.

        The Bible Belt on the country side is strong, but even the city
     folks have this little guy (can it be the old village preacher
     Calvin?) sitting on their shoulder waving a 'vermanende vinger'
     (warning finger) whenever someone commits a breach of the Dutch
     etiquette.

        This includes extravagance of any kind. Wealth should be strived
     for but never to be shown off. Your possesions should be practical, of
     high quality and may be beautiful. If you buy a car it should be a
     Volvo rather than a Cadillac.

        Never try to impress a Dutchman with a showy business lunch.
     Working hours are meant for work anyway...

        The 'vermanende vinger' also is waved to anyone that shows in-
     tolerance as well, which is a contradiction you must learn to live
     with, because tolerance is the third corner stone.

        Tolerance
        =========

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        Don't think for a moment that the Dutch tolerance is about being
     nice in general, a real softy. No, tolerance is another one of those
     obligations so necessary to make life in a densely populated country
     like Holland bearable.

        The calvinists may show austerity inwards but were among the first
     to allow freedom of religion. A historic attitude that made way for
     todays liberal attitude towards cannabis, prostitution, death-help and
     homosexual marriages -- all legal in Holland.

        But being liberal means being split. What do you do when one mans
     freedom affects another mans ditto? Then you have to do like the
     Dutch, look between the fingers on one hand and wave the 'vermanende
     vinger' with the other.

        So where do they draw the limit for the tolerance? Actually
     everything is allowed as long as it doesn't mean bad business. And the
     other way around, as long as it's good business you may temporarily
     forget about the austerity and the tolerance.

        If nothing else, there's always the saying 'handel is handel'
     (business is business), that is a perfectly good excuse for almost
     everything.

        - If we don't sell weapons to the enemy, how can we afford to go to
      war with him? as an illegal weapons dealer said on his trial.

        There's another limit to the tolerance. The 'vermanende vinger'
     comes up whenever someone or something is threatening 'gezelligheid'
     the ultimate happiness for a Dutchman. The word comes from 'gezel'
     which means journeyman but also fellow, companion. The closest I can
     come up with as a translation is 'cosy company'.

        The Dutch never say no to a 'gezellige' party. 'Voor de gezellig-
     heid!' For the sake of good company. But let's go Dutch...

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                            What are Hermes Sysops?
                                By Walter Bowen
                                    1:393/11

     Several years ago, Oliver Katigbak posted a message on HERMES_SYSOPS
     in which he asked "What are Hermes sysops?" Although I've updated my
     response just a tad for this reposting, it went something like this:

     It's interesting that you should ask this in the HERMES_SYSOPS echo,
     Oliver, but not surprising since the "Hermes sysop" is rarely sighted
     these days. Such a creature is a member of a vanishing, but tenacious
     breed known more generically as a "Mac sysop," itself an obscure
     offshoot the larger, but also diminishing family that is most commonly
     labeled "sysop."

     Probably one of the most distinguishing qualities of any of these
     creatures is their elusiveness. Rarely sighted, they exist mainly as
     phantoms, lurking and perhaps even smirking, somewhere in the
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     pre-virtual community of the command line interface and occasionally
     in a domain known as FidoNet. Even as their numbers have dwindled, a
     feisty few still persist, but their existance becomes increasingly
     barren with each passing day.

     So few outworlders today even possess the knowledge of how to pass
     through the terminal gateway into their pre-virtual universe that
     their eventual obscurity is more than virtually assured, it is a
     certainty. These shapeless, genderless and most often faceless
     creatures will soon vanish altogether, but perhaps fate has smiled on
     them nonetheless. Their passing will be a silent and painless one, for
     even as they wander, their terminals are shrouded in darkness and they
     still seem unable to read the handwriting on the walls that surround
     them.

     So they continue lurking, smirking and occasionally emerging, still
     mercifully oblivious that reality is encroaching, that it has already
     enveloped them, and will ultimately swallow completely their shrinking
     pre-virtual, terminal universe with the elusive command line
     interface.

     One day soon as the last one succumbs to time and slips peacefully
     into the void of the nothing, only their legacy will remain. Believe
     me, that day is nearer than ever, but the story is not yet over. If
     you look hard enough you may still detect a few flickering candles in
     the night. If you're really, really lucky, one of our smiley faces
     might even yet peer back at you.

     But hurry. Time is short.


     Walter Bowen

     :-)

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                               [ EDITORIAL ]
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                 Misconception: a misunderstanding: wrong idea.
                                 By Frank Vest
                                  1:124/6308.1

      It occurs to me that some in Fidonet have some misconceptions about
     the Fidonews. I'm going to make a feeble attempt to explain, and maybe
     help those with, these misconceptions.

     Looking in my dictionary, I find the following. YMMV:

     Misconception: n. a misunderstanding; wrong idea.

     In reading in the Fidonews echo, I get the idea that the following
     might be in play;

     1.  Articles in the Fidonews are/should be written by professional
     writers, OR, All articles are written by professional writers.

     Nothing is farther from the truth. We are a group of people. Some
     might be professional writers, but most are just plain people that use
     Fidonet as a medium to communicate. The Fidonews is a medium as well.
     It is made up of articles sent/written by people in Fidonet. These
     articles are of interest to the author and might, or might not, be of
     interest to other people in Fidonet. In no way are they, nor should
     they, be required to be written by professionals.

     2. The Fidonews Editor is a professional Editor/writer.

     Whew!! That's as far from the truth as you can get. :)  I'm not a
     professional anything. I wrote some articles. I didn't think they
     would be of interest (see next misconception) and ended up as editor.

     3. I, as a member of Fidonet, have nothing of interest to say.

      Many probably think this way. I did, and still do at times. I'm not
     sure that this editorial will be of interest, but I'm writing it
     anyway. :)  In truth, there is always interest from somebody. Don't
     use this excuse as a block for not trying.

     4. I'm not very good at english, or english is not my native language.
     How can I write for the Fidonews?

      I'm not good at english either. I graduated with a C- in english. :)
     Seriously: For many in Fidonet, english is not their native language.
     Get someone to help translate for you. One of the strongest points in
     Fidonet is the willingness of it's members to help each other. Don't
     let a language barrier stop you from writing something that might be
     of interest to others. *That* would be a loss to us all!

     5. I'm not a software author. I'm not a technical person. I don't have
     the knowledge to write for the Fidonews.

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      So?? Not everyone in Fidonet is a programmer, technical expert or
     anything else in particular. Write about your BBS that you run. Review
     a web page that is Fidonet related. There is a list of article
     sections posted in each Fidonews. Surely there is something you can
     write about.


     Folks, this is the Fidonews. The Newsletter of the Fidonet Community.
     It's about Fidonet and the people in Fidonet. More importantly, the
     Fidonews _*IS*_ what you make of it.


     Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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                    [ REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ]
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                Rebuttal to "Zone 2 participation of FidoNews."
                                 By Frank Vest
                                   1:124/6308


     In last week's edition, Michiel Van Der Vlist wrote his views about
     why articles weren't submitted by other Zones in Fidonet. I'd like to
     try to answer some of his thoughts and give my views.

     For the sake of separating what Mr. Van Der Vlist said, his words will
     be between the = marks in this rebuttal.

     =
      The snooze is zone 1 dominated because potential contributors from
     other zones are put off by the zone 1 dominance. A vicious circle.
     Maybe you as editor should ask what the readers outside zone 1 are NOT
     interested in seeing in the snooze. My list would be:
     =

     I really don't see that the Fidonews is dominated by Zone 1. Maybe
     there are a lot of articles from Zone 1. That doesn't mean domination.

     I think I have asked what readers would or would not want, inside and
     outside of Zone 1, in some form in the past. I know I've asked myself
     that question a lot. It's not an easy question to answer with all the
     variety in Fidonet, even in other Zones.

     =
      1) Articles that cover topics of only local interest, such as RC
        and ZC elections. They stir some interest but after the third
        round it gets very boring.
     =

     I'm going to take a guess that this stems from the past position of
     posting messages as articles in the Fidonews. I said that I wouldn't
     do that, and I believe I have not. This part is a non-issue.

     I will say this; If there is an election going on in a Zone, Region or
     Net in Fidonet, I will accept an announcement of it. I will not have a
     "blow by blow" of the process as has been done in the past. Announcing
     the election and the results is, imho, of interest to Fidonet. It lets
     people know, that might not otherwise know, that an important election
     is happening in their area. It also lets the rest of Fidonet know that
     something might be happening or changing that could affect them. Yes,
     we can all be affected by happenings in other Zones, Regions and Nets
     in Fidonet. The announcement of the election and the end results are
     of interest. The process, or "blow by blow", is not.

     =
      2) Articles in a language I can not read. The idea may be good but
        it is not going to work. The only examples of successful
        multilangual magazines I have seen are the fodder that airline
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        companies feed us to keep our thoughts from hitting the ground
        at a vertical speed higher than the landing gear can take.
     =

     I agree that this won't work. It is a great thought and would be great
     if possible. I just can't see how. Maybe I'm short sighted.  I said in
     the Editorial last week that Fidonews is "global". We have many
     languages in Fidonet. To try to cover them all is not within scope. To
     try to have a language known by most areas is the way to go. English
     seems to be the closest to an "international language" that we have.

     =
      3) "Tear jerkers" as Sharon Westons' "The warmth of a smile." Maybe
        in NA culture such stories are an unconditional 'go', but imnsho
        it belongs in the Salvation Army's Digest or whatever it is called.
        My response when I see it in FidoNews is: "What's it got to do
        with FidoNet?
     =

     I'm not real sure what is meant by the reference to "Sharon Weston".
     For the "What's it got to do with Fidonet?" I'm not sure of that
     either.

     What some of the articles have to with Fidonet is that they are about
     people or events that affect Fidonet people. Would it be good to have
     all articles relate directly to Fidonet? Wouldn't that get boring just
     the same as anything else? A Fidonews that was all "Technical",
     "Fidonet Web Page Reviews", "Fidonet Software Reviews" and various
     other Fidonet articles strictly about Fidonet would get just as
     boring, imho.

     =
      I respect the tradition of FidoNews editors to publish anything not
     in violation of the (NA?) law. Maybe it is time however to review this
     policy. Maybe it is time to define the topic of FidoNews and restrict
     articles to those that are on topic.
     =

     What would the "topic" of Fidonews be?

     I would like to see more articles that are "Fidonet related", whatever
     that means. However, I don't see a problem with ascii comix, poetry
     and other articles. We are people and Fidonet is about people as much
     as it is about anything else.

     What I do see as a problem is that the complaints that there are no
     articles relating to Fidonet are not met with submissions of articles
     related to Fidonet. The complaints that the Fidonews is one sided are
     not met with submissions from the other sides.


     I'll end this with something that if I haven't said, I should have;

     I'm not like former Fidonews Editors. I'll probably be unlike any
     future Fidonews Editors. I have done many things different and changed
     many things in the Fidonews. I've tried different approaches and other
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     ideas to improve the Fidonews. All this, in the interest of Fidonet.
     Some have been good and others not so good. But, when you boil it all
     down, it's not Frank Vest that makes the Fidonews. It's Fidonet! The
     Sysops, and people in Fidonet! It *is* what you make of it!

     Best wishes to All,

     Frank Vest - Editor, Fidonews

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                    [ OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER ]
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                                Ol'WDB's Column
                              wdbonner@pacbell.net

     In last weeks Fidonews in a General Article, Michiel Van der Vlist
     said: "Why do we see so few contributions from other zones? Zone 2 in
     particular? The main reason for the zone 1 domination of FidoNews is
     imho the fact that it ... is zone 1 dominated."

     This is funny and most FidoNews readers are not deceived with such
     statements.  The only way to dominate Fidonews is to prevent any
     foreign materials of any kind, which has not been the case with the
     last three editors!  They have begged all zones to participate, and
     some have when they had something to report or ask.

     "The cure would be to *discourage* articles that are only of zone 1
     local interest", Michiel further stated.

     I for one am very distressed that censorship of ANY good article that
     is properly presented to the editor would be ignored because it came
     from zone one! Print it too!  The more articles the better!

     "In the past we have seen many an increase in the volume of FidoNews
     due to some local event. Last year it was the Z1C election, just to
     mention an  example. Why?", Michiel asked.

     Does this mean that an important Fido election such as a Zone or RC
     Coordinator election is not news-worthy to be in the Fidonews?

     Michiel also asks: "Why do the sysops in zone 1 flood the world with
     what for many of us this side of the pond is no more than bickering
     among the locals?

     Amusing comment for one who seems to be the prime editor pro tem of
     zone two.  Don't you know how to start a flood of your own?  You spend
     a great deal of your time telling us how much bigger you are than zone
     one, yet produce only one half of one percent of the submissions.  To
     my knowledge no zone two submission has ever been turned down.  I know
     when I was editor, I worked hard on any zone two submission to remove
     the illegal ascii characters so that "Make News" program would accept
     it and hatch the edition.

     Michiel stated: "The snooze is zone 1 dominated because potential
     contributors from other zones are put off by the zone 1 dominance.

     More cocky-poo Michiel.  They are no more put off than you.  The truth
     is that most want to read their Snooze, and expect it to be
     informative, giving them the info to find programs, writers, and a
     birds eye view of Fidoworld as submitted to the editor. Few articles
     are published more than once, to dismiss your #1 grievance; and
     articles in a language you can't read is easy to skip past as not all
     of the zones speaks only your language.  And as for recipes and "tear
     jerkers" there are a vast majority that like them and your personal
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     view has no power except to you personally.  Read what you like, skip
     the rest, and try to let others have their cake too.  A little
     compassion in your words for what the other five zones want would
     ensure to your good will.

     Michiel states: "I respect the tradition of FidoNews editors to
     publish anything not in violation of the (NA?) law."

     Not true.  There is no respect in the many messages you have posted in
     the echoes, to the editors, and now in Fidonews itself.  Your scorn
     and contempt for the Snooze is obvious to everyone.

     Michiel lastly states: "Maybe it is time however to review this
     policy. Maybe it is time to define the topic of FidoNews and restrict
     articles to those that are on topic".

     No Michiel, no censorship of civil comment.  This is a free society in
     "NA" and you should be working to have a free society if yours isn't.
     Anyone can state what they believe just as you have here. It would be
     a very dull Snooze if your restrictions were applied and a short small
     issue too! Read Fido rules, they are quite adequate.

     Ol'wdb

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                            [ FIDONET NOTICES ]
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                                A Fond Farewell
                                ===============
                                By Andrea Santos
                   Forwarded to the Fidonews by Ross Cassell
                                    1:18/500


     For the last few years I've known a day would come when I'd be writing
     this message.  What I didn't know was the time, day, circumstances or
     events which would prompt me to do so.

     In all honesty, I didn't want to know.  You participate in an activity
     or group for so long, there's a comfort zone, but there's also
     complacency, to the point where you simply don't allow yourself to
     make the decisions _you_ really need to make.  It's also about change
     and change is tough and it's scary but you'll never know the benefits
     of other challenges if you don't allow yourself the opportunity to
     move on.

     There have been a number of events which have occured in our family
     this year that have changed all of us forever, and each of us feels a
     need to embrace new paths and pursue other interests, and we've been
     proceding along that vein.

     Santronics the company and our support site and BBS/Mailer continue on
     and a listing will be maintained in the Nodelist.  We still have much
     to give in the way of programs we provide and will keep on doing what
     we do well.

     It's been some 14 years since Hector first explained the concept of
     shareware to me.  Being petrified of anything that looked or smelled
     of computers and highly skeptical of "honor" systems, I wrote off much
     of a message it would take me years to understand.  But after
     persistence and encouragement to get me online, I was able to put the
     pieces together and recognize that my husband was providing real tools
     for thousands upon thousands of users and system administrators to
     communicate and provide services, at a hobby level, as well as
     critical applications for businesses and organizations around the
     world.  In the process, I became computer literate, and was able to
     connect the dots sufficiently to make my own contributions to a
     network we both loved and encouraged for so many years.

     There's no question you get from this life what you are willing to put
     into it.  When I look back at all the years I've been participating in
     Fidonet, I realize how very fortunate I've been to have made the many
     many friends and acquaintenances I have, and the communications,
     laughs tears and real-life experiences I've shared.  And I will miss
     it, but I will also leave knowing I gave it my all, with integrity and
     principles intact.

     There are so many individuals to acknowledge and thank, it wouldn't be
     possible to do so in relatively short order.  Past and present, you
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     know who you are, and it was a sincere pleasure.

     There is, however, one person who is entirely the reason why I was
     here at all and that is my husband, Hector Santos.  And this is my
     opportunity to give him the recognition he's earned and deserves for
     bringing his vision of communications to life.

     From creating Offline Mail for Fidonet, to the many programs and
     utilities he's written, covering every aspect of communications in
     this network, to his pivotal involvement in Saudi Net and providing
     the technology to make it happen, to the thousands upon thousands of
     hours of help he's provided to countless sysops and users, no
     Developer gave more of himself to this network and none did it better
     or with more conviction.

     And, today, I thank him for giving me all of you and for the courage
     to recognize we've accomplished here what we set out to do and that
     it's time to move on.

     With gratitude,

     @copyright 2001, Andrea Santos, NC135, asantos@santronics.com

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                         [ QUESTION OF THE WEEK ]
     =================================================================

                       What do you want in the Fidonews?
                             By Frank Vest - Editor
                                  1:124/6308.1
                             fidonews@sbcglobal.net

     This is an informal poll. It is not intended to be used for any
     purpose except information gathering. No guarantee is given or
     implied. Replies from those that wish to answer may be sent to;

                               The Fidonews Echo
                                       or
                       fidonews@sbcglobal.net subj: poll
                                       or
                            1:124/6308.1 subj: poll

     Results will be posted in the next Fidonews. You have one week to send
     in your "vote". One completed form per person, please.

     Below is a list of the current sections in the Fidonews. It does NOT
     include the columns by regular columists.

     Please check the sections that you, for the most part, like in the
     Fidonews. IOW; Which ones should stay in the Fidonews in your opinion?

     ( ) [ Food for Thought ]
     ( ) [ Headline News ]
     ( ) [ Top Stories ]
     ( ) [ From the *Cs ]
     ( ) [ Regional News ]
     ( ) [ Net News ]
     ( ) [ Retractions ]
     ( ) [ General Articles ]
     ( ) [ Editorial ]
     ( ) [ Guest Editorial ]
     ( ) [ Fidonet Current Events ]
     ( ) [ Rebuttals to Previous Articles ]
     ( ) [ Interviews ]
     ( ) [ Fidonet Software Reviews ]
     ( ) [ Fidonet Web Page Reviews ]
     ( ) [ Fidonet Notices ]
     ( ) [ Getting Technical ]
     ( ) [ Question of the week ]
     ( ) [ Answers of the week ]
     ( ) [ Humor in a Fido Vein ]
     ( ) [ Comix in Ascii ]
     ( ) [ Recipes ]
     ( ) [ Poet's Corner ]
     ( ) [ Clean Humor & Jokes ]
     ( ) [ Classified Ads ]
     ( ) [ Calendar ]
     ( ) [ Corrections ]
     ( ) [ Special Interest ]
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                            [ EDITOR'S CORNER ]
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                            Patched Makenews Program
                                 By Frank Vest
                                     1:1/23


     First off. I'd like to give credit to and thank Bj”rn Felten for the
     patch of the "makenews" program. (notice that your name is proper
     now, Bj”rn.) <smile>


      The heart of producing the Fidonews is a program called "makenews".
     Prior to being handed the Editor position, I was working on a "front
     end" for the system that would make production easier. Even then, I
     noticed the limits of the "makenews" program. "Makenews" didn't allow
     ascii characters that could not be typed on a plain typewriter. While
     this is not a real problem in the U.S.A., it can be an aggravation to
     other countries and other languages. People whose name has an o with
     the two dots (™) above it could not write their names properly in a
     Fidonews article submission.

      A discussion spurred by some in the Fidonews echo has brought this
     former limit to life again. While I don't believe that the Fidonews is
     a place for a lot of "high ascii", the simple desire to see one's name
     spelled properly in an article for the Fidonews isn't that much to
     ask imho.

      Bj”rn Felten offered a solution. Bj”rn offered to make a patch for
     the "makenews" program or write a new one. Since he offered and I
     think that being able to see ones name spelled properly is not too
     much to ask, I sent him the program. I received the patch back rather
     quickly and applied it. From my tests, the patch worked and the
     Fidonews can now allow characters for spelling in other languages.

     What does this mean??

      If your name requires a special character to be written properly, the
     Fidonews should now be able to handle it.

      If you were using the excuse of not being able to properly spell your
     name in the Fidonews for not submitting articles, you no longer have
     that excuse. :-)

      The Fidonews has taken a step forward?

     What it DOS NOT mean is that I will accept articles in other than
     english. English is still the language that is most commonly know in
     Fidonet.

     Please limit your use of the allowed ascii to the need for spelling
     your name, or the name of someone mentioned in your article
     submission, properly.

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 17                   5 Nov 2001


     I'm not sure how this is going to work out. I believe in advancing
     Fidonet and the Fidonews. I hope this will in some way move us toward
     that goal. My concern is that the "high ascii" might interfere with
     some BBS programs that offer the Fidonews for reading "online". I'm
     sure that there could be other problems with this as well. The
     Fidonews will have to cross those bridges when/if we get to them.


      Regards,

      Frank Vest

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 18                   5 Nov 2001


     =================================================================
                          [ CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ]
     =================================================================

                                   Terrorists

                         Of interest to Canadians only.

                         From (not by) Lesley-Dee Dylan

     The Pledge

     We Canadians are finally going to help America with the war on
     terrorism. We have pledged two of our biggest battle ships, six
     hundred ground troops and six fighter jets.

     After the American currency exchange rate was applied, we ended up
     sending two canoes, six mounties, and a flying squirrel.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                 We are ready!
                             From: Lesley-Dee Dylan
                                   1:250/201


     Take all North American women who are within five years of menopause -
     train us for a few weeks, outfit us with automatic weapons, grenades,
     gas masks, moisturizer with SPF15, Prozac, hormones, chocolate, and
     canned tuna - drop us (parachuted, preferably) across the landscape of
     Afghanistan, and let us do what comes naturally.

     Think about it. Our anger quotient alone, even when doing standard
     stuff like grocery shopping and paying bills, is formidable enough to
     make even armed men in turbans tremble.

     We've had our children, we would gladly suffer or die to protect them
     and their future. We'd like to get away from our husbands, if they
     haven't left already. And for those of us who are single, the prospect
     of finding a good man with whom to share life is about as likely as
     being struck by lightning. We have nothing to lose.

     We've survived the water diet, the protein diet, the carbohydrate
     diet, and the grapefruit diet in gyms and saunas across America and
     never lost a pound. We can easily survive months in the hostile
     terrain of Afghanistan with no food at all!

     We've spent years tracking down our husbands or lovers in bars,
     hardware stores, or sporting events...finding bin Laden in some cave
     will be no problem.

     Uniting all the warring tribes of Afghanistan in a new government? Oh,
     please ... we've planned the seating arrangements for in-laws and
     extended families at Thanksgiving dinners for years ... we understand
     tribal warfare.

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 19                   5 Nov 2001


     Between us, we've divorced enough husbands to know every trick there
     is for how they hide, launder, or cover up bank accounts and money
     sources.

     We know how to find that money and we know how to seize it ... with or
     without the government's help!

     Let us go and fight. The Taliban hates women. Imagine their terror as
     we crawl like ants with hot-flashes over their godforsaken terrain.

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

                                  Shame on you
                   From: Warren Bonner <wdbonner@pacbell.net>

     My 7-year-old daughter came home from school one day, held up her
     middle finger, and asked me what it meant. I was so shocked that I
     could say only, "Shame on you," followed by, "If anyone does that to
     you, just say, "Shame on you" to that person.

     A few weeks later we were at the dinner table when my husband let out
     a huge belch. I reprimanded him by saying, "Shame on you." Imagine my
     husband's shock when my daughter held up her middle finger, showed it
     to him, and exclaimed, "Mom, you forgot to give Daddy the 'shame on
     you' sign."

     8^)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 20                   5 Nov 2001


     =================================================================
               [ TODD COCHRANE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ]
     =================================================================

                        *Fidonet/BBS Software Listing's*

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  BBS Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     BBBS Home Page
     b@bbbs.net
     http://www.bbbs.net/

     ELEBBS- The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
     elebbs@elebbs.com
     http://www.elebbs.com/

     Hermes II Project (Mac)
     info@HermesII.org
     http://www.hermesii.org/

     Maximus BBS Support Page (Non Official)
     sales@lainus.com
     http://www.vector11.com/maximus/

     MBSE BBS
     Michiel Broek + development team
     mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
     http://mbse.sourceforge.net
     2:2802/2 Michiel Broek.

     Mystic BBS
     http://www.mysticbbs.com/mystic/

     Nexus Bulletin Board System
     groberts@nexusbbs.net
     http://www.nexusbbs.net/

     Proboard
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     RemoteAccess Central
     Bruce Morse
     bfmorse@rapro.com
     http://www.rapro.com/

     Searchlight
     Telegrafix Communications Inc.
     info@telegrafix.com
     540-678-4050
     http://www.telegrafix.com

     Spitfire BBS
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 21                   5 Nov 2001


     Buffalo Creek Software
     MDWoltz@AOL.COM
     http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/index.html

     Synchronet BBS
     sysop@vert.synchro.net
     http://www.synchro.net

     Telegard BBS
     support@telegard.net
     http://www.telegard.net/

     Wildcat Interactive Net Server (BBS)
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Door Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Bentstone Capabilities Group
     info@stonebenders.com
     http://www.srupc.com/mall

     Jibben Software
     scott@jibben.com
     http://www.jibbensoftware.com/

     JNS Software Door Games
     Rusty Johnson
     rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
     304-733-0113
     http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

     Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
     http://www.lordlegacy.org/

     PC Pursuits
     brucep@pop.kis.net
     (301)240-6653
     http://www.pcpursuits.com/products.htm

     S and T Software
     Mark Bappe
     mark.bappe@bozax.iainc.net
     (770)788-6843
     http://bozax.iainc.net/public/

     Shinning Star BBS Doors
     nannette@shiningstar.net
     http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/

     Sunrise Door Software
     Al Lawerence
     al@sunrisedoors.com
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 22                   5 Nov 2001


     (404)256-9518
     http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

     The Brainex System
     info@brainex.com
     http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/

     Trade Wars Door Game
     jpritch@eisonline.com
     http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
     1:299/110

     Vagabond Software
     Bryan Turner
     vagabond@darktech.org
     http://vagabond.virtualave.net/
     1:124/7013

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                  Mail Tossers
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     FMail Support
     wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org
     http://fmail.nl.eu.org/
     2:280/1076

     Squish Tosser
     http://www.lanius.com/squish.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                Mailer Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
     Definite Solutions
     sales@defsol.se
     http://www.defsol.se/

     BeeMail Home Page
     http://beemail.gexonline.net
     Stephen Proffit
     1:211/405

     BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
     http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

     Plantinum Express for Wildcat
     Santronics Inc.
     sales@santronics.com
     (305)248-3204
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 23                   5 Nov 2001


     http://www.santronics.com

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                         Fidonet via Internet Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Argus
     RITLABS
     argus@ritlabs.com
     373-2-246889
     http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/
     2:469/84

     BinkD
     maloff@corbina.net
     http://2f.ru/binkd/

     Fidogate
     Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net
     http://www.fidogate.org/

     Fidonet to Internet Mailer
     Bo Bendtsen
     sales@terminate.com
     http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

     GiGo Software
     http://www.gigo.com/

     Internet Rex
     cruden@cs.ualberta.ca
     http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

     Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
     http://www.tmail.spb.ru/index-19.htm

     TransX
     Multiboard Communications Inc.
     support@multiboard.com
     http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html
     1:2401/305

     TransNet
     transnet@ressl.com.ar
     http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

     Watergate
     ramon@sbbs.se
     http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Point Software
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
     http://www.defsol.se/

     JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 24                   5 Nov 2001


     http://www.jetsys.de/

     APoint
     http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm (Author)
     http://www.apoint-mail.de (Co-Author)

     CrossPoint ("Original" version)
     http://www.crosspoint.de
     http://www.apoint-mail.de

     CrossPoint (OpenXP Projekt)
     http://www.openxp.com (English)
     http://www.openxp.de (German)

     CrossPoint (XP2 Team)
     http://www.xp2.de

     WinPoint95
     http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

     The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
     http://www.happyarts.de/xp

     Terminate Terminal
     http://www.terminate.com

     PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
     http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                      Other Software, Utillities and such
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
     http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

     BGFAX Home Page
     http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/

     SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
     http://www.gwinn.com

     NetModem for Windows
     http://www.allensoftware.com

     Com/IP
     <http://pcmicro.com/comip

     Husky - Portable Fido Software
     http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

     cFos Fossil driver
     http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

     ADF Fossil
     http://www.digsys.se/adf.html

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 25                   5 Nov 2001


     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                                 Dead Links
     -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

     Renegade BBS
     http://www.egate.net/renegade/

     --------------------------------------------------------------------
     List Submission Procedures: Netmail 1:10/345
                                 E-Mail  fidosoft@bbsnets.com


     The format of this list is undergoing changes and improvements

     BBS Software Name
     Company/Author
     Contact E-mail
     Contact Telephone
     Internet address (if available)
     Fido style address (if available)

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 26                   5 Nov 2001


     =================================================================
                    [ JOE JARED'S FIDONET BY INTERNET ]
     =================================================================


                       . -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- .
                       |    FIDONET-RELATED SITES    |
                       ` -- -- -- -- --- -- -- -- -- '
                          Last update: 6:39 AM 10/24/01

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Please do not list the virtual email addresses
     on any web page.


     - = slated for removal (Invalid URL)
     ? = Unable to connect

     FidoNet
     Homepage:     http://www.fidonet.org
     FidoNews:     http://www.fidonews.org   [HTML]
                   ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/fidonet/fidonews/
     Echolist:     http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/
     Echomail links: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidonet/fidoip.html
     SDS Files:    http://fidobbs.dk/download (Web Access to SDS)
     FTSC page:    http://www.ftsc.org/
     General:      http://www.writebynight.com/fidonet.html
     Parody:       http://www.fidonet.ro/
     Foti          http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org
     History       http://www.fidonet-on-the-internet.org

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org
       Region 10:  http://www.r10.org
         Net 102   http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/net102.htm
         Net 103:  http://www.webworldinc.com/club103/
         Net 203:  <vacant>
       Region 11:  http://www.vector11.com/region11/
        Net 2410:  http://www.vector11.com/net2410/
       Region 13:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/region13/
         Net 109:  http://www.thelitterbox.net/fido/net109/
         Net 261:  http://www.baltimorepress.com/~net261/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/
         Net 267:  http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/net267/
         Net 275:  http://www.ispaceonline.org/net275/

       Region 14:  http://www.ouijabrd.com/region14
         Net 282:  http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
       Region 15:  <vacant>
       Region 16:  <vacant>
       Region 17:  http://www.region17.net
         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 27                   5 Nov 2001


         Net 124:  http://www.DallasInet.com/net124/
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  <Vacant>
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.fidospain.org
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
          Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
     ?? Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
     ?? Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://r65.yeah.net
                   http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)




                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs


     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 28                   5 Nov 2001


     also receive routed notice of this feature.

                v-email flag firstname.lastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     @ Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       18/500   @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | CABLE | n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     @ Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/2000  | Bob Juge        | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ???   | n/c
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      134/11    @ Michael Grant  | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
                                                    aDSL, 60 | n/c
      138/146   | Marc Blakely      | BinkP,FTP      | ???   | n/c
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      142/906   | Chris Griffin     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      150/220   | Dave Nemeth       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      153/7715  | Dallas Hinton     | BinkD, FTP     | CABLE | ???
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      167/166   | Jesse Dooling     | POP? UUE TX FTP| ???   | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE,TX   | 33.6k | n/c
      220/10    | groberts@nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
      229/1     | Phil Simpson      | BinkP UUE FTP  | ???   | n/c
      229/2000  | Robert Couture    |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ???   |
      229/622   | Dave Hamilton     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      250/98    | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      250/99    | Brent McLaren     | FTP BinkP      | ???   | n/c
      250/102   | Darin McBride     | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      267/169   | Philip Lozier     | FTP TX         | ???   | n/c
      261/1380  | Joe Davis         | UUE TX         | ???   | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      297/11    | Michael McCabe    | TX             | ???   | n/c
      323/120   | Craig Healy       | VMoT FTP       | ???   | n/c
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      360/5     | Bennie Hutto      | FTP VMoT       | aDSL  | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | CABLE | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      379/1200  | Chris Cranford    | BinkP FTP TX   | ???   | n/c
      393/9005  | Steve Quarrella  |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ???   | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkP VMoT FTP | ???   | n/c
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
      396/48    | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS?      | 33.6k | n/c
     2215/300   | Dennis Haddox     | UUE,TX         | CABLE | n/c
     2320/38    | Janis Kracht      | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
     2410/400   | Gary Gilmore      | FTP BinkP      | 384K,60| n/c
     2410/213   | Kevin Bentz       | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
     FIDONEWS 18-45               Page 29                   5 Nov 2001


     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/1275  | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP    | 28.8  | n/c
     3407/4     | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3830/5     | Jeff Schrunk      |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ???   | n/c
     3830/10   | Matt Bedynek      |FTP, BinkD      | OC3     n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       22/222   | Kim Heino         | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       28/1     | Lody Caenen       | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
       37/37    | Gabor Z. Papp     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       47/999   | Andrej Kirejev    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      201/329   | Mats Wallin       | VMoT TX        | ???   | n/c
      201/505   | Goran Eriksson    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      211/37    | Torbjorn Mohn     | BinkP          | 8/2mb | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      240/6298  | Steve Tell        | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      252/110   | David Rance       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      255/90    | Simon Avery       | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      263/950   | Sean Rima         | TX UUE         | ???   | n/c
      280/1027  | Lukas de Groen    | BinkP FTP      | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      280/4312  | Jos Huijnen   | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ???   | n/c
      280/5003  | Kees van Eeten    | BinkP ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   | n/c
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      292/854   | Ward Dossche      | BinkP UUE TX   | ???   | n/c
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      333/0     | M Gianformaggio   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      335/534   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      341/14    | Rafael Suarez     | BinkP VMoT     | ???   | n/c
      341/51    | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT           |       |
      341/66    | Angel Ripoll      | VMoT           |       |
      343/168   | Jose Casanova     | VMoT           |       |
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      347/1     | Javi Polo         | UUE            |       |
      348/105   | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE      |       |
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/555   | Ofir Michaeli     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/557   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      400/558   | Vlad Hrusca       | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      461/256   | Andrew Rutkas     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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      461/640   | Alex Semenyaka    |BinkP ifcico UUE| ???   | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      469/128   | Oleg Vasenyoff    | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
      550/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | ----- | n/c
     2410/201   | Karsten Ebeling   | BinkP UUE      | ???   | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2432/200   | Sven Dueker       | BinkP TX UUE   | ???   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet  | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     2487/3000  | Steffen Gross     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     3830/10    | Matt Bedynek      | FTP, BinkP     | 100Mb | n/c
     5002/5002  | Victor Belyakov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5014/4     | Alex Bagmanov     | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/52    | Peter Didenko     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/54    | Serge Wizgounoff  | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5020/69    | B Chernivetsky    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/238    | Sergey Gubanov   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5030/1251  | K Stepanekov      | UUE            | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     5049/12    | Amir Shabashvili  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5054/3     | Andrew Popov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5080/80    | Eugene Zorin      | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5083/21    | Alexander Uskov   | BinkP,ifcico   | ???   | n/c
     5090/2     | Andrew Titov      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      712/311   | Bob James         | TX             | ???   | n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      801/161   @ Renato Zambon     | UUE            | 33.6  |n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 6
       65/3000  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE            | 33600 | free
      653/1009  | Maorong Chen      | UUE            | ???   | free
      654/0     | Bin Li            | UUE,BinkP      | 33600 | free
      654/1501  | Lawrence Fan      | UUE,BinkP      | 28800 | free

     --
     * FTP    = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT   = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE    = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP  = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * TX     = TransX
     * NFS    = Linux Networking
     * ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers
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     news.tardis.net

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                                 Nodelist Stats

      INPUT NODELIST FILE      : NODELIST.306
      File has a Date Stamp of : 11/2/2001
      File Size (uncompressed) :   1195.93 KBytes.

      The Input Nodelist file  has 10975 Nodes in it
      and a total of  14076 non-comment entries.

      The list has     6 Zones listed.
                      65 Region Coordinators listed.
                     494 Network Hosts listed.
                     749 Hubs listed.
                     335 DOWN Nodes listed.
                     882 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
                     570 HOLD Nodes listed.

      Administrative overhead = 1314 ( 11.97 %)
      PRIVATE NODES overhead  = 882 (  8.04 %)

      Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
          9600 =   9411 (  85.75 %)
                      (HST's =  203 or   2.16 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                      (CSP's =    2 or   0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
                      (PEP's =   16 or   0.17 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (MAX's =    0 or   0.00 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (HAY's =    3 or   0.03 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V32's = 5307 or  56.39 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V32B's =  662 or   7.03 % "       "    "     "   )
                      (V42's = 5062 or  53.79 % "        "    "     "   )
                      (V42B's =  707 or   7.51 % "       "    "     "   )
          2400 =    113 (  1.03 %)
          1200 =      7 (  0.06 %)
           300 =    483 (  4.40 %)

     ----------------------------------------------------------
      F_Req Flag      Applicable Software     Number of Systems
     ----------------------------------------------------------
      XA              Frontdoor <1.99b             4243
                      Frontdoor  2.02+
                      Dutchie 2.90c
                      Binkleyterm >2.1
                      D'Bridge <1.3
                      TIMS
     --------------------------------------
      XB              Binkleyterm 2.0                10
                      Dutchie 2.90b
     --------------------------------------
      XC              Opus 1.1                       12
     --------------------------------------
      XP              Seadog                          7
     --------------------------------------
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      XR              Opus 1.03                      76
     --------------------------------------
      XW              Fido >12M                     415
                      Tabby
     --------------------------------------
      XX              D'Bridge 1.30               4679
                      Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
     --------------------------------------

      CrashMail capable =   3926 ( 35.77 %)
      MailOnly Nodes    =   5698 ( 51.92 %)
      Listed-Only Nodes =    832 (  7.58 %)

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