Mar 18 14:26:31 <qwertydawom>	ok then, let's begin
Mar 18 14:27:35 <riftor>	okay :)
Mar 18 14:28:02 <qwertydawom>	So, last week, we've seen the logic paradoxes.
Mar 18 14:28:21 <qwertydawom>	And now, we'll focus on logic enigmas.
Mar 18 14:29:10 <qwertydawom>	But, as a transition, we may study "Hilbert's Hotel"
Mar 18 14:29:52 <qwertydawom>	This paradox was explained by Hilbert.
Mar 18 14:30:00 <qwertydawom>	He said :
Mar 18 14:30:49 <qwertydawom>	Let's take a hotel with an infinite number of rooms, and, let's assume all these rooms are occupied.
Mar 18 14:31:21 <qwertydawom>	Now, some tourists come to this hotel.
Mar 18 14:32:11 <qwertydawom>	If it was a finite-rooms-hotel, in the same situation, the tourists wouldn't be able to have a room in this hotel, but! here, since there's an infinity of rooms, what we can do is :
Mar 18 14:32:33 <qwertydawom>	move the guy from room 1 to room 2, the guy from room 2 to room 3, etc.
Mar 18 14:33:14 <qwertydawom>	Hence, all the new tourists can have a room in this infinite hotel. :)
Mar 18 14:33:59 <qwertydawom>	Now, let's imagine that an infinite number of tourists come to the hotel.
Mar 18 14:34:18 <qwertydawom>	We move 1 to 2, 2 to 4, 3 to 6, etc.
Mar 18 14:34:35 <qwertydawom>	So, the odd rooms are free for the newcomers. :)
Mar 18 14:35:15 <qwertydawom>	Did you get it all thus far?
Mar 18 14:35:32 <bic>	yepo
Mar 18 14:35:49 <riftor>	:)
Mar 18 14:35:58 <qwertydawom>	k ;)
Mar 18 14:36:04 <mu-tiger>	uhm
Mar 18 14:36:04 <riftor>	we had a hilarious diagram in our textbooks for this topic heh
Mar 18 14:36:24 <mu-tiger>	why can't you just put the newcomers in room 956743
Mar 18 14:36:25 <mu-tiger>	?
Mar 18 14:36:39 <qwertydawom>	you have to make it free
Mar 18 14:37:02 <mu-tiger>	hrm
Mar 18 14:37:11 <riftor>	you could move the person from 956743 to 956744 and etc etc. if you want
Mar 18 14:37:11 <mu-tiger>	i thought you said they were all full?
Mar 18 14:37:21 <qwertydawom>	they are
Mar 18 14:37:30 <qwertydawom>	but, since there are an infinite amount of rooms
Mar 18 14:37:35 <qwertydawom>	there is no problem ;)
Mar 18 14:37:53 <qwertydawom>	of course, if the number of rooms was finite
Mar 18 14:38:14 <qwertydawom>	and, if they all were full, then, nobody could enter the hotel..
Mar 18 14:38:31 <qwertydawom>	but, since we deal with infinity, we can put as many people as we want  :)
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Mar 18 14:40:51 <qwertydawom>	so, mu, is it better now?
Mar 18 14:41:37 <mu-tiger>	no
Mar 18 14:42:02 <qwertydawom>	tell me where is the problem ;)
Mar 18 14:42:08 <mu-tiger>	if there're are infinite rooms, they are infinitely full with an infinite number of guests
Mar 18 14:42:16 <mu-tiger>	so there is no place to move them
Mar 18 14:42:25 <bic>	thats why he starts from 1
Mar 18 14:42:28 <qwertydawom>	:) you've reached the paradox
Mar 18 14:42:31 <bic>	moves them back
Mar 18 14:42:41 <bic>	mm
Mar 18 14:43:00 <qwertydawom>	you can always add elements to an infinite set
Mar 18 14:43:10 <qwertydawom>	and it'll still be infinite
Mar 18 14:43:15 <mu-tiger>	but you said they are all full!
Mar 18 14:43:25 <qwertydawom>	yes, we assume they are
Mar 18 14:43:43 <mu-tiger>	maybe i better stfu now and let you continue
Mar 18 14:43:47 <qwertydawom>	but, the point is that, when dealing with infinity, we can always create free space ;)
Mar 18 14:44:02 <mu-tiger>	=/
Mar 18 14:44:05 <qwertydawom>	well, for a further reading on the topic, I suggest : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel
Mar 18 14:44:10 <mu-tiger>	ty
Mar 18 14:44:13 <mu-tiger>	i'm done
Mar 18 14:45:33 <qwertydawom>	Ok, so actually, we are not going to deal with the concept of infinity tonight, so, I'll move to logic enigmas now.
Mar 18 14:46:14 <qwertydawom>	Let's begin with a classic, namely, the "hats' color" problem. :)
Mar 18 14:47:01 <mu-tiger>	lol
Mar 18 14:47:09 <mu-tiger>	sorry
Mar 18 14:47:10 <mu-tiger>	:(
Mar 18 14:47:16 <qwertydawom>	So, say there are three people sitting like : A -> B -> C ->, where the "->" represents the direction where the people look at.
Mar 18 14:48:00 <qwertydawom>	Now, we take four hats : two blue hats, and two red hats.
Mar 18 14:48:21 <qwertydawom>	We put three of them randomly on each of the guys' head.
Mar 18 14:48:37 <qwertydawom>	Now, we ask them to guess the color of their hats.
Mar 18 14:49:01 <qwertydawom>	And, the question is : Who'll be the first to guess, and why?
Mar 18 14:49:41 <qwertydawom>	any ideas?
Mar 18 14:49:42 <bic>	d
Mar 18 14:50:01 <bic>	cause he say the first threes hats
Mar 18 14:50:04 <bic>	saw*
Mar 18 14:50:41 <qwertydawom>	there's no "d"..
Mar 18 14:51:04 <bic>	lol my bad
Mar 18 14:51:04 <bic>	c
Mar 18 14:51:55 <qwertydawom>	why?
Mar 18 14:52:12 <bic>	cuz he saw the first twos hats
Mar 18 14:52:23 <qwertydawom>	actually, C can't see anything...
Mar 18 14:52:27 <bic>	no?
Mar 18 14:52:28 <bic>	m
Mar 18 14:52:33 <qwertydawom>	you have : A -> B -> C ->
Mar 18 14:52:38 <qwertydawom>	A sees B and C
Mar 18 14:52:40 <qwertydawom>	B sees C
Mar 18 14:52:46 <bic>	oh then its a
Mar 18 14:52:50 <qwertydawom>	C sees.. nothing
Mar 18 14:52:59 <qwertydawom>	well, this is only a partial answer
Mar 18 14:53:13 <qwertydawom>	in which case can A guess the color of his hat?
Mar 18 14:53:17 <bic>	A, becasue it sees b and c
Mar 18 14:53:25 <qwertydawom>	yes, but still
Mar 18 14:53:32 <qwertydawom>	remember that we took four hats
Mar 18 14:53:40 <qwertydawom>	two blue, and two red
Mar 18 14:53:56 <qwertydawom>	and, then, we picked randomly three of them
Mar 18 14:54:10 <qwertydawom>	that we put on the guys' head
Mar 18 14:54:29 <qwertydawom>	so, I agree with the fact that A can guess it first, but, not always
Mar 18 14:54:43 <qwertydawom>	that's why I repeat : in which case can A guess the color of his hat?
Mar 18 14:56:53 <bic>	beats me >;|
Mar 18 14:57:11 <qwertydawom>	ok, so, do you want me to explain?
Mar 18 14:57:16 <bic>	yes please
Mar 18 14:57:29 <qwertydawom>	alright then
Mar 18 14:57:42 <qwertydawom>	in fact, the best way is to draw the situation
Mar 18 14:57:49 <qwertydawom>	and to represent the possibilities
Mar 18 14:57:54 <qwertydawom>	i.e. :
Mar 18 14:57:59 <bic>	is their an online whiteboard anywhere?
Mar 18 14:58:08 <qwertydawom>	A = blue, B = red, C = red
Mar 18 14:58:09 <qwertydawom>	or
Mar 18 14:58:21 <qwertydawom>	A = blue, B = blue, C = red
Mar 18 14:58:27 <qwertydawom>	or 
Mar 18 14:58:44 <qwertydawom>	A = blue, B = red, C = blue
Mar 18 14:58:45 <qwertydawom>	or
Mar 18 14:58:56 <qwertydawom>	A = red, B = blue, C = blue
Mar 18 14:59:03 <qwertydawom>	or
Mar 18 14:59:13 <qwertydawom>	A = red, B = red, C = blue
Mar 18 14:59:18 <qwertydawom>	or
Mar 18 14:59:35 <bic>	9 possiblilities..
Mar 18 15:00:36 <qwertydawom>	no
Mar 18 15:01:10 <qwertydawom>	only 3! = 6
Mar 18 15:01:15 <qwertydawom>	i.e. :
Mar 18 15:01:33 <qwertydawom>	RRB
Mar 18 15:01:36 <qwertydawom>	RBR
Mar 18 15:01:42 <qwertydawom>	BRR
Mar 18 15:01:44 <qwertydawom>	BBR
Mar 18 15:01:47 <qwertydawom>	BRB
Mar 18 15:01:55 <qwertydawom>	RBB
Mar 18 15:01:59 <qwertydawom>	ok?
Mar 18 15:02:25 <bic>	k
Mar 18 15:02:50 <qwertydawom>	ok, so now, let's see in which cases A can guess his hat color
Mar 18 15:03:00 <qwertydawom>	keep in mind he can see A and B
Mar 18 15:03:34 <qwertydawom>	and, he knows that, two of them (them = the three guys) have the same hat color
Mar 18 15:03:46 <qwertydawom>	so, if he sees :
Mar 18 15:03:52 <qwertydawom>	BB, he knows his hat is R
Mar 18 15:04:06 <qwertydawom>	if he sees RR, he knows his hat is B
Mar 18 15:04:12 <qwertydawom>	else, he cannot guess!
Mar 18 15:04:16 <qwertydawom>	do you see why?
Mar 18 15:06:04 <_riftor>	check
Mar 18 15:08:51 *	_riftor is now known as riftor-afk
Mar 18 15:10:00 <riftor-afk>	sorry guys go to afk for a while, cleaning my house
Mar 18 15:11:05 <qwertydawom>	ok, so, since you got the case where A can guess
Mar 18 15:11:22 <qwertydawom>	now, can you say who'll be able to guess the color in the other cases?
Mar 18 15:13:38 <qwertydawom>	Well, clearly, it is the 2nd guy.
Mar 18 15:14:02 <qwertydawom>	Indeed, if A doesn't speak, it means that him and the 3rd guy have different hat colors.
Mar 18 15:14:18 <qwertydawom>	So, he just has to look at the hat's color of the 3rd guy.
Mar 18 15:14:30 <qwertydawom>	If it's blue, then his hat is red.
Mar 18 15:14:40 <qwertydawom>	If it's red, then his hat is blue. :)
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Mar 18 15:16:18 <qwertydawom>	If this enigma has interested you, I advice you to take a look at : http://www2.binaryuniverse.net:81/forums/viewtopic.php?t=424
Mar 18 15:17:06 <qwertydawom>	Now, let's see another case, namely, the "prisoners' dilemma".
Mar 18 15:17:38 <qwertydawom>	This one has been discovered by Melvin Dresher and Merill Flood in 1950.
Mar 18 15:17:51 <qwertydawom>	And, here it goes :
Mar 18 15:18:06 <qwertydawom>	two guys are arrested.
Mar 18 15:19:02 <qwertydawom>	they're put into two different prison cells.
Mar 18 15:19:14 <qwertydawom>	And, the inspector tells us :
Mar 18 15:19:45 <qwertydawom>	if they don't speak : 2 years for each
Mar 18 15:19:58 <qwertydawom>	if they say they're innocent : 4 years for each
Mar 18 15:20:40 <qwertydawom>	if one says he's innocent and the other doesn't speak : the 1st one is free and the other one goes in prison for 5 years.
Mar 18 15:21:15 <qwertydawom>	Now, what can they do?
Mar 18 15:22:33 <qwertydawom>	Well, basically, there are two possibilities :
Mar 18 15:22:39 <qwertydawom>	*1st one :
Mar 18 15:23:14 <qwertydawom>	Thinking they'll get free, most of the prisoners will denounce the other guy.
Mar 18 15:23:32 <qwertydawom>	But, since the other one will do the same, they'll both get 4 years.
Mar 18 15:23:50 <qwertydawom>	Indeed :
Mar 18 15:23:52 <Elda_Winslacks>	the inspector forgot a possibily, if they say they are guilty
Mar 18 15:24:58 <Elda_Winslacks>	no?
Mar 18 15:25:14 <qwertydawom>	same thing as the innocent case
Mar 18 15:25:23 <qwertydawom>	but, anyway, they wouldn't say they're guilty
Mar 18 15:25:29 <qwertydawom>	since, one of them is not
Mar 18 15:25:49 <Elda_Winslacks>	ok
Mar 18 15:25:53 <qwertydawom>	Now, let's explain this 1st possibility :
Mar 18 15:26:06 <qwertydawom>	Say A is guilty.
Mar 18 15:26:14 <qwertydawom>	A deserves 5 years.
Mar 18 15:26:35 <qwertydawom>	If he denounces B, he knows he'll get at most 4 years.
Mar 18 15:27:04 <qwertydawom>	He doesn't really think he'll be free, B will say he's innocent.
Mar 18 15:27:47 <qwertydawom>	B can't stfu and take the risk to go in prison for 5 years while he's innocent, so, he'll certainly denounce A, and take 4 years.
Mar 18 15:28:16 <qwertydawom>	So, we can make an array :
Mar 18 15:28:45 <qwertydawom>	Deserve - Probably - Might be
Mar 18 15:28:52 <qwertydawom>	A : 5 - 4 - 0
Mar 18 15:29:01 <qwertydawom>	B : 0 - 4 - 5
Mar 18 15:29:02 <qwertydawom>	got it?
Mar 18 15:32:04 <Elda_Winslacks>	ok
Mar 18 15:32:19 <qwertydawom>	alright, so let's see the other possibility:
Mar 18 15:32:25 <qwertydawom>	*2nd one :
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Mar 18 15:33:11 <qwertydawom>	If they think together, they could have a better thing.
Mar 18 15:33:20 <qwertydawom>	Indeed :
Mar 18 15:33:34 <qwertydawom>	if A, the guilty man, doesn't speak, the array will look like :
Mar 18 15:33:47 <qwertydawom>	A : 5 - 2 - 5
Mar 18 15:33:59 <qwertydawom>	B : 0 - 2 - 0
Mar 18 15:34:09 <qwertydawom>	but, will A take this risk?
Mar 18 15:34:21 <qwertydawom>	Indeed, if B says he's innocent, A will get 5 years...
Mar 18 15:34:26 <Elda_Winslacks>	no
Mar 18 15:34:41 <qwertydawom>	Therefore, it leads us to the following conclusion :
Mar 18 15:35:08 <qwertydawom>	We let the prisoners talk to each other, and we see that it doesn't change anything.
Mar 18 15:35:22 <qwertydawom>	They'll mainly choose the 1st possibility!
Mar 18 15:35:39 <qwertydawom>	Interesting dilemma, eh?
Mar 18 15:35:55 <bic>	chyeah
Mar 18 15:36:26 <qwertydawom>	well, if you want to read more stuff about that, you should see : http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html
Mar 18 15:36:35 <bic>	rgr
Mar 18 15:37:14 <qwertydawom>	And, now, this will be our last topic, we shall discuss about one of the greatest geniuses ever..
Mar 18 15:37:27 <bic>	einstien!
Mar 18 15:37:32 <qwertydawom>	w00t :)
Mar 18 15:38:00 <Elda_Winslacks>	good
Mar 18 15:38:37 <qwertydawom>	Indeed, we'll now see, the so-known, Einstein's enigma. :)
Mar 18 15:38:53 <bic>	hes a jew too
Mar 18 15:39:45 <qwertydawom>	We'll see that :
Mar 18 15:39:55 <qwertydawom>	*the problem seems to be extremely hard
Mar 18 15:40:04 <qwertydawom>	*a powerful reasoning kills it
Mar 18 15:40:30 <qwertydawom>	*the use of a special tool makes this problem way easier
Mar 18 15:40:43 <Elda_Winslacks>	which tool?
Mar 18 15:40:49 <qwertydawom>	*but, in both cases, what's needed is method and.. patience!
Mar 18 15:41:02 <qwertydawom>	Now, here goes the problem :
Mar 18 15:41:13 <qwertydawom>	Five men live in five houses of five different color.
Mar 18 15:41:13 <qwertydawom>	They smoke five different brands of cigar,drink five different beverages,and keep five different pets.
Mar 18 15:41:32 <qwertydawom>	Hypotheses :
Mar 18 15:41:34 <Elda_Winslacks>	oh I know it!
Mar 18 15:41:55 <qwertydawom>	* The Norwegian lives in the first house.
Mar 18 15:41:55 <qwertydawom>	* The brit lives in the red house.
Mar 18 15:41:55 <qwertydawom>	* The Swede keeps dogs as pets.
Mar 18 15:42:15 <qwertydawom>	* The Dane (hey Ice, you here? :p) drinks tea.
Mar 18 15:42:25 <qwertydawom>	* The green house is just on the left of the white house.
Mar 18 15:42:25 <qwertydawom>	* The green house owner drinks coffee.
Mar 18 15:42:25 <qwertydawom>	* The man who smokes Blend lives next to the one who keeps cats.
Mar 18 15:42:25 <qwertydawom>	* The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds.
Mar 18 15:42:33 <qwertydawom>	* The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
Mar 18 15:42:34 <qwertydawom>	* The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk.
Mar 18 15:42:34 <qwertydawom>	* The German smokes Prince.
Mar 18 15:42:34 <qwertydawom>	* The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water.
Mar 18 15:42:46 <qwertydawom>	* The Norwegian lives next to the blue house.
Mar 18 15:42:47 <qwertydawom>	* The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill.
Mar 18 15:42:47 <qwertydawom>	* The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer.
Mar 18 15:43:39 <qwertydawom>	And, the question is : who keeps fishes?
Mar 18 15:44:29 <qwertydawom>	According to Einstein, 98% of the people in the world can't solve this enigma. :)
Mar 18 15:44:36 <Elda_Winslacks>	:)
Mar 18 15:44:41 <qwertydawom>	Will you be part of these 98%? :P
Mar 18 15:45:16 <Elda_Winslacks>	I think you should let us a little time to search the answer
Mar 18 15:45:41 <Elda_Winslacks>	I never search because someone always put the solution but I don't remember
Mar 18 15:46:11 <qwertydawom>	Ok, so, I'll let you search ;)
Mar 18 15:46:35 *	mu-tiger thinks this could be solved with an algebraic equation
Mar 18 15:46:45 <qwertydawom>	:D
Mar 18 15:46:58 <qwertydawom>	mu-tiger gives me an occasion to go on
Mar 18 15:47:15 <mu-tiger>	but, i don't know how to set it up
Mar 18 15:47:23 <qwertydawom>	and explain what the usual solving methods are.
Mar 18 15:47:40 <qwertydawom>	To do things, there usually are two ways :
Mar 18 15:48:01 <qwertydawom>	-to do the stuff by oneself, whenever it's possible
Mar 18 15:48:27 <qwertydawom>	-or, to use tools to multiply by 10 our abilities
Mar 18 15:48:46 <qwertydawom>	For the intellectual problems, that's the same thing :
Mar 18 15:49:07 <qwertydawom>	-pure reasoning (by head)
Mar 18 15:49:16 <qwertydawom>	-else, using tools
Mar 18 15:49:50 <qwertydawom>	This is true for several subjects, such as :
Mar 18 15:49:57 <qwertydawom>	-algebra
Mar 18 15:50:15 <qwertydawom>	-and, obviously, else I wouldn't be saying all this stuff.. in logic! :)
Mar 18 15:51:47 <qwertydawom>	So, once again, let's build an array :
Mar 18 15:52:06 <qwertydawom>	To solve a problem : - Reasoning - Tools
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Mar 18 15:54:42 <qwertydawom>	In math :  it is possible to reason and find a solution - *when the problem is complex, it is useful to go and check algebra  *we set equations with unknowns  *solving these equations becomes algorithmic  *in fact, the use of this way kind of.. doesn't need the hypotheses *and allows us to go into an almost mechanical solution
Mar 18 15:55:25 <Ch4r>	sorry to interrupt
Mar 18 15:55:28 <Ch4r>	but is someone logging tihs?
Mar 18 15:55:38 <qwertydawom>	In logic : it is possible to reason to find the solution - *when the problem is complex, it is useful to have tools
Mar 18 15:56:16 <qwertydawom>	*several diagrams have been invented, each of them being more or less efficient..
Mar 18 15:56:37 <qwertydawom>	*anyway, they're adapted to some particular problems
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Mar 18 15:57:01 <qwertydawom>	*in our case, the recommended tool will be the : integram or logigram
Mar 18 15:58:10 <qwertydawom>	e.g. : http://members.lycos.nl/puzzel/puzzvben.html
Mar 18 15:59:13 <qwertydawom>	Now, did anyone of you get something? :)
Mar 18 16:01:11 <mu-tiger>	i'm still trying to think of an equation =/
Mar 18 16:02:29 <Elda_Winslacks>	I've found the color of each house
Mar 18 16:02:44 <mu-tiger>	keep working, then
Mar 18 16:02:50 <mu-tiger>	i'm a bit distracted
Mar 18 16:09:52 <qwertydawom>	So, did you find who keeps fishes? :)
Mar 18 16:11:19 <bic>	kick me when the lectures over, i gotta roll
Mar 18 16:12:00 <qwertydawom>	okay
Mar 18 16:12:48 <mu-tiger>	go on, then, pls, qwerty
Mar 18 16:16:17 <Elda_Winslacks>	to solve this problem, I begin to do five case in which I put the thing that we know at the begining
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Mar 18 16:17:40 <mu-tiger>	welcome, gentlemen of bso
Mar 18 16:17:47 <ardnew>	<.<
Mar 18 16:17:48 <Triple_Helix>	thank you
Mar 18 16:17:52 <mu-tiger>	yw
Mar 18 16:17:52 <ardnew>	>.>
Mar 18 16:17:53 <mu-tiger>	behave
Mar 18 16:17:59 <Triple_Helix>	i will
Mar 18 16:18:01 <mu-tiger>	ty
Mar 18 16:18:05 <Triple_Helix>	try...
Mar 18 16:18:08 <mu-tiger>	no no
Mar 18 16:18:10 <mu-tiger>	you WILL
Mar 18 16:18:11 <ardnew>	xD
Mar 18 16:18:21 <Triple_Helix>	i will try very hard to behave
Mar 18 16:18:28 <ardnew>	:/
Mar 18 16:18:33 <Triple_Helix>	ok
Mar 18 16:18:35 *	ardnew slaps Triple_Helix 
Mar 18 16:18:38 <Elda_Winslacks>	and thanks to this information, we know that some things can't be here or here, to I write it in the case and bar it, so I could deduce others information, and contnie like that
Mar 18 16:18:39 <ardnew>	Shape up
Mar 18 16:18:49 *	qwertydawom gives voice to Elda_Winslacks
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Mar 18 16:19:03 *	qwertydawom gives voice to mu-tiger
Mar 18 16:19:09 <mu-tiger>	ty
Mar 18 16:19:23 <mu-tiger>	go on, pls, Elda_Winslacks 
Mar 18 16:23:35 <Elda_Winslacks>	so i found the solution
Mar 18 16:23:48 <Elda_Winslacks>	It's the german
Mar 18 16:24:04 <qwertydawom>	yes, that's right :)
Mar 18 16:24:48 <Elda_Winslacks>	for example to begin you know that in the house in the middle, the man drinks milk
Mar 18 16:25:03 <Elda_Winslacks>	so you can write milk in the other case and bar it
Mar 18 16:25:22 <mu-tiger>	pls excuse me a moment, Elda_Winslacks 
Mar 18 16:25:32 <mu-tiger>	how did you find your solution?
Mar 18 16:25:36 <Elda_Winslacks>	and it is as I say before, if you do that for each affirmation, you can find other information
Mar 18 16:26:28 <Elda_Winslacks>	and when you are near the end if you have bar four things for the same caracteristic you know it's the last
Mar 18 16:26:37 <mu-tiger>	very nice!
Mar 18 16:26:41 <mu-tiger>	thank you
Mar 18 16:26:43 <mu-tiger>	go on, pls
Mar 18 16:26:59 <Elda_Winslacks>	(in fact it take a little time, but we can find it like that)
Mar 18 16:27:32 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:27:43 <Elda_Winslacks>	so I can try to remenber the begining
Mar 18 16:28:00 <Elda_Winslacks>	fisrt you put the norvegian in the first house
Mar 18 16:28:41 <Elda_Winslacks>	after the milk in the middle
Mar 18 16:28:45 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:28:56 <Elda_Winslacks>	so you bar it in the other houses
Mar 18 16:29:42 <Elda_Winslacks>	you can also bar tee in the first house because it's the N who is in the house and it's the D who drinks tee
Mar 18 16:29:54 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:30:09 <Elda_Winslacks>	then the blue house is the second
Mar 18 16:30:23 <Elda_Winslacks>	ok?
Mar 18 16:30:30 <mu-tiger>	and that is about where i started searching for an algebraic equation
Mar 18 16:30:36 <mu-tiger>	;)
Mar 18 16:30:43 <mu-tiger>	my respect to you, elda
Mar 18 16:30:58 <Elda_Winslacks>	thnaks...
Mar 18 16:31:12 <mu-tiger>	you're very welcome and deserving
Mar 18 16:31:16 <Elda_Winslacks>	and did you find the solution with your method?
Mar 18 16:31:19 <mu-tiger>	pls continue
Mar 18 16:31:21 <mu-tiger>	no
Mar 18 16:31:26 <mu-tiger>	i am distracted
Mar 18 16:31:39 <Elda_Winslacks>	ok if you like, but it's a bit long
Mar 18 16:31:48 <mu-tiger>	is it alright, qwertydawom?
Mar 18 16:32:26 <Elda_Winslacks>	i ask you a little time because I didn't write the etap, so I have to do again what I did
Mar 18 16:32:53 <mu-tiger>	oh no!
Mar 18 16:33:01 <mu-tiger>	pls don't feel obligated
Mar 18 16:33:19 <Elda_Winslacks>	no problem
Mar 18 16:33:20 <qwertydawom>	<mu-tiger> is it alright, qwertydawom? --> yes, it is :)
Mar 18 16:33:26 <mu-tiger>	:)
Mar 18 16:33:27 <mu-tiger>	ty
Mar 18 16:34:02 <qwertydawom>	yw
Mar 18 16:34:11 <Elda_Winslacks>	you you also know that the green house is not the third
Mar 18 16:34:34 <Elda_Winslacks>	because he drinks tee instead of milk
Mar 18 16:34:52 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:36:12 <Elda_Winslacks>	so because the green house is nexto to the white, you know that the white is the last and the green the house just before
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Mar 18 16:37:04 <Elda_Winslacks>	then you know that the english lives in the red house, so the red house is not the first
Mar 18 16:37:15 <Elda_Winslacks>	so it's the fourth
Mar 18 16:37:48 <Elda_Winslacks>	we know the color of four house so we deduce that the first is yellow
Mar 18 16:38:16 <Elda_Winslacks>	the english is in the third
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Mar 18 16:39:13 <Elda_Winslacks>	and now we know that the first house is yellow so he smokes Dunhill
Mar 18 16:39:32 <Elda_Winslacks>	do you want I go on?
Mar 18 16:40:05 <mu-tiger>	yes, pls
Mar 18 16:40:38 <Elda_Winslacks>	so because the horse is next the man who smokes Dunhill, horse is in the second house
Mar 18 16:41:34 <Elda_Winslacks>	( don't forget that everutime we find something, we bar it in the other cases)
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Mar 18 16:42:33 <Elda_Winslacks>	I didn't remenber if I said that the man in the fourth house drinks cafe
Mar 18 16:42:39 <mu-tiger>	no, not yet
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Mar 18 16:44:11 <Elda_Winslacks>	we know that in the fourth house the man doesn't smoke Whinfield (because he drinks cafe instead of beer)
Mar 18 16:45:07 <Elda_Winslacks>	quertydawom has to go
Mar 18 16:45:16 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:45:18 <Elda_Winslacks>	but I finish the explanation
Mar 18 16:45:24 <mu-tiger>	thank you :)
Mar 18 16:46:10 <Elda_Winslacks>	we know that the N drinks water
Mar 18 16:47:00 <mu-tiger>	yes
Mar 18 16:47:03 <Elda_Winslacks>	because he doesn't drink tee, nor cafe, nor milk, nor beer (because it's the smoker of whinfield)
Mar 18 16:47:08 <Elda_Winslacks>	right
Mar 18 16:47:24 <Elda_Winslacks>	and so the second smokes malboro
Mar 18 16:47:40 <Elda_Winslacks>	so we can bar it in the other cases
Mar 18 16:47:51 <mu-tiger>	ok
Mar 18 16:48:23 <Elda_Winslacks>	in the fourth house
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