<qwertydawom> This time, we are going to discuss a test that all of you already heard about.
<SysSpider> Turing?
<qwertydawom> It is a test that "measures" your intelligence.
<qwertydawom> Now, do you know what it is? :)
<SysSpider> me and my complications -_-
<SysSpider> the IQ test
<qwertydawom> indeed
<qwertydawom> So, a quick approach :
<qwertydawom> Firstly, intelligence is hard to define.
<qwertydawom> It can NOT be compared.

<qwertydawom> We can NOT base our judgements upon it only.
<Elda_Winslacks> lol, of course
<qwertydawom> The IQ, i.e. the Intellectual Quotient, is one of the ways to eval uate the intelligence.
<Daedalus> hey guys, joining in..
<qwertydawom> But, the 'General' intelligence.
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<qwertydawom> So, it is only an indirect measure, and.. not perfect.
<qwertydawom> The reliability of this test has been estimated at >70%.
<qwertydawom> "I.Q." is the generic term used since 1912, to denote the differen t tests of intelligence, or to denote the result one obtained to these tests.
<qwertydawom> There are several types of IQs, which give different marking schem es.
<qwertydawom> An example :
<qwertydawom> To join Mensa(http://www.mensa.org/), you must have at least :
<qwertydawom> * An IQ of 131 at the Wechsler, which is equivalent to
<qwertydawom> * An IQ of 149,6 at the Catell and,
<qwertydawom> * corresponds to (approx.) 20 people out of 100
<qwertydawom> * i.e. 2% of the people..
<qwertydawom> out of 1000 sorry
<qwertydawom> Now, let's introduce the principle of the IQ :
<qwertydawom> it is born in the USA during the WW1 in order to try and give the recruits the arms that suited them best.
<qwertydawom> The series of tests relies on the one created by the french doctor  Binet.
<qwertydawom> So, you'll wonder : but, what do they test?
<qwertydawom> Several intellectual abilities :
<qwertydawom> *to solve problems
<qwertydawom> *to reason
<qwertydawom> *to understand concepts
<qwertydawom> *to perceive relations
<qwertydawom> 4 main categories :
<qwertydawom> 1/ Spatial vision :
<qwertydawom> visualize and manipulate objects in 3D
<qwertydawom> 2/ Mathematical spirit :
<qwertydawom> Solve problems and use logic.
<qwertydawom> 3/ Linguistic expression :
<qwertydawom> Find back sentences, recognize words.
<qwertydawom> 4/ Memory :
<qwertydawom> Memorize objects visually and orally.
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<qwertydawom> anyone?
<SysSpider> it's been clear up to now
<Ch4r> yep
<qwertydawom> okee, I go on then.
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<qwertydawom> Now, let us study the results of this test (statitically) :
<qwertydawom> statistically*
<qwertydawom> People who have an IQ greater than : - Percentage
<qwertydawom> 70 - 97.7
<qwertydawom> 85 - 84
<qwertydawom> 100 - 50
<qwertydawom> 110 - 25
<qwertydawom> 115 - 16
<qwertydawom> 120 - 7
<qwertydawom> 130 - 2.3
<qwertydawom> So, what can we say with this?
<qwertydawom> the average is at 100.
<qwertydawom> 2 people out of 3 have an IQ between 85 and 115.
<qwertydawom> Some geniuses are >140.
<qwertydawom> Now, since you're probably interested in knowing the people who ha ve a big IQ, I made a quick list for you :
<qwertydawom> Thomas Jefferson : 145
<qwertydawom> Benjamin Franklin : 145
<qwertydawom> Mozart : 150
<qwertydawom> George Sand : 150
<qwertydawom> Lord Byron : 150
<qwertydawom> Charles Dickens : 155
<qwertydawom> Voltaire : 170
<qwertydawom> Thomas Chatterton : 170
<qwertydawom> Descartes : 180
<qwertydawom> John Stuart Mill : 190
<qwertydawom> Pascal : 195
<qwertydawom> \uffff     Goethe
<qwertydawom> 210 ..


<qwertydawom> for more : http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Index.htm
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<qwertydawom> Feel free to discuss those IQs.
<SysSpider> DAMN!!!
<SysSpider> and i thought my 148 was good
<qwertydawom> it definitely is ;)
<Ch4r> lol
<SysSpider> the only problem with Pascal is naming the language :D
<SysSpider> well, compared to those...
<SysSpider> i mean like, 210... wow
<Nick> I feel stupid..
<Nick> *sob*
<[Ag0ny]> I have a question:
<qwertydawom> yeah.... Einstein was *only* around 160 ...
<qwertydawom> yes, go on Agony
<[Ag0ny]> most of them on that list were very dead long before WWI
<[Ag0ny]> so how would you rate their IQ?
<Elda_Winslacks> why do we say that Einstein's IQ was about 160? he nerver did a  test
<SysSpider> how do you know he didn't Elda?
<SysSpider> i personally don't know, i just like people citing their sources
<qwertydawom> <[Ag0ny]> most of them on that list were very dead long before WWI
<qwertydawom> <[Ag0ny]> so how would you rate their IQ?
<qwertydawom> --> that is an excellent question
<qwertydawom> to be honest, I think these are "estimated" IQs
<Elda_Winslacks> I don't know if such tests existed but I don't think
<Elda_Winslacks> yes it's just estimation
<qwertydawom> it might be the case with Einstein as well
<SysSpider> Einstein had a preponderant paper in WWII, how didn't it exist
<Elda_Winslacks> so it's a bit unusefull to say it was about 160, it's not the r eality
<Nick> It's estaminated, I think they didn't just made it up Elda, Ag0ny.
<qwertydawom> you may want to read : http://www.geocities.com/einstein_library/i q.htm
<SysSpider> it's the same as with chess ratings
<SysSpider> Paul Morphy played before FIDE, but there are estimates based on his  games
<SysSpider> (and he rocked too)
<qwertydawom> exactly.
<[Ag0ny]> ok
<qwertydawom> anything else?
<SysSpider> not here
<Ch4r> nope
<[Ag0ny]> the different scales,
<[Ag0ny]> is there one that is used as a standard in the US?
<[Ag0ny]> and is it different in the UK?
<qwertydawom> I do not know.
<[Ag0ny]> k I'll looki t up
<qwertydawom> okee
<qwertydawom> well, let's go on
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<qwertydawom> Now, I want to focus on two curious cases.
<qwertydawom> These people are probably geniuses, with an extremely high IQ, but , it is controversed..
<qwertydawom> the 1st case is : William James Sidis (1898 - 1944)
<qwertydawom> his IQ was >225
<qwertydawom> he was probably the greatest mind of the 20th century, but he refu ses to make the whole world benefit of it.
<qwertydawom> That's why he's unknown for most people..
<qwertydawom> a quick summary of his life :
<qwertydawom> at 1.5 years, he could read the newspaper
<qwertydawom> 2 years : begins to study latin
<qwertydawom> 7 : exam on anatomy
<qwertydawom> 16 : gets a degree at Harvard
<qwertydawom> 24 : treaty on antimatter
<qwertydawom> 27 : treaty on cosmology predicting black holes
<qwertydawom> to read the full list of his exploits : http://www.quantonics.com/ The_Prodigy_Review.html
<qwertydawom> the 2nd case is : Marilyn vos Savant
<qwertydawom> an IQ >228
<qwertydawom> able to solve the Rubik's cube extremely fastly
<qwertydawom> was in the Guinness of records as the highest IQ
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<SysSpider> "Billy knew all the languages (approximately 200) of the world, and could translate among them instantly!"
<SysSpider> that's relating to Sidis
<qwertydawom> yeah..
<SysSpider> i can't see how the hell he mastered Gray's Anatomy
<SysSpider> i have it here and i couldn't read 2 followed pages
<SysSpider> i do admire the pictures
<Nick> That's a book? I only knew the serie..
<SysSpider> yeah it's a book
<Nick> ah.. two way's of spelling gray grey.
<[Ag0ny]> I
<Nick> You....
<[Ag0ny]> I've heard that the learning patterns formed before age six shape your  entire intellecutal life
<[Ag0ny]> sorry typos abound today
<SysSpider> let me draw a comparison: i learnt calculus at 9/10; "At age 8, Bill y surpassed his father (a genius) in mathematics."
<Nick> hahaha
<Nick> sweet
<SysSpider> Ag0ny: i've heard there's a tendency of regression to the mean with IQs
<SysSpider> in your childhood it's bigger
<Nick> I'm 15, and still way behind on SysSpider.
<SysSpider> perhaps that's due to your ingenuity and simplicity of thinking
<SysSpider> lol Nick
<[Ag0ny]> Sysspider, you already have learned calculus?
<SysSpider> yes
<[Ag0ny]> multivariable?
<SysSpider> nope
<SysSpider> i actually dropped it for programming... :O
<SysSpider> i learnt the basics
<[Ag0ny]> learn multivariable, it's usefull for writing programs and understandi ng graph theory
<SysSpider> oh i see, i'll do it then
<[Ag0ny]> sorry we're off on a tangent
<SysSpider> but please qwerty, go on
<[Ag0ny]> anyhow, qwertydawom
<qwertydawom> no no, feel free to discuss
<qwertydawom> that's it for now

